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justdave:

just upgraded the RAM in one of the new nvidia Mac Minis to 4GB

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justdave:

and I can confirm that does bump the shared video RAM up to 512 MB

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justdave:

only 3 GB visible to the OS though, just like the old intel Minis

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mzb_d800:

32bit?

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justdave:

mzb_d800: yeah, 32bit.

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justdave:

I just installed a PAE kernel and rebooted, and now I see the entire 4GB

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mzb_d800:

yep

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mzb_d800:

64 bit would prob be better/faster (if possible)

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mzb_d800:

... assuming you mean 32bit PAE

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justdave:

yeah, 32bit with PAE

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justdave:

myth works good on 64bit?

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justdave:

been a couple years since I investigated last. stuff wasn't quite stable at the time :)

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justdave:

been plenty of time for things to stablize since then :)

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jams:

freshmeat 3.0 is going to take a bit to get used to.

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Lexridge:

Could anyone lend a hand getting my freshly crashed and reinstalled system working with "Separate X Screen"? I had this working under FC6, now my F10 install only gives me a duplicate background image of the main screen....with no menus or KDE. I have not been able to use mythtv now for two days :(

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Lexridge:

not real happy with kde4 just yet ;)

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kormoc:

Lexridge, DISPLAY=":0.1" mythfrontend

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Lexridge:

that works, but all my keyboard operations stay on the main display (left monitor), so essentially, I cannot control it.

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kormoc:

mouse over and click on it

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wagnerrp:

HAHAHAHAHAH

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Lexridge:

that also worked under fedora 6, but has not yet worked under f10.

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wagnerrp:

one of the FBI agents in tonight's 24 encrypted something using 'blowfish 148'

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wagnerrp:

because everyone knows 148 MUST be better than 128

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iamlindoro:

20 better

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kormoc:

Lexridge, so run a xterm on that screen and see if you can type into that

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Lexridge:

All my charactors end up in my shell on screen 0

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Lexridge:

even when clicking into the xterm on mon1

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kormoc:

and the xterm shows it has focus?

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Lexridge:

no, I have no kde borders whatsoever on it,

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wagnerrp:

seems 'blowfish 148' has a backdoor code into the encryption algorithm

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wagnerrp:

good thing the rest of the world still uses 128

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kormoc:

so run DISPLAY=:0.1 startkde

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Lexridge:

that's odd....I get "KDE seems to be already running on this display."

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kormoc:

I'd drop kde for xfce at this point personally

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Lexridge:

perhaps someday, but not today. ;)

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Also helpful when the address of the weapons shipment is right on the screen of the bad guy's phone

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Lexridge:

kormoc: perhaps I should try installing the livna kmod-nvidia drivers instead of the "official" one from sourcecode.

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kormoc:

It's unlikely it's a video card driver issue

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Lexridge:

I know, more likely kde4.

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Lexridge:

I wish I could downgrade kde4 to 3 with F10. Apparently that is not an option.

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: i like how he jumpstarts a car

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, you mean where he got the implement from? Yes :)

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wagnerrp:

always thrify... never to leave a good tool lying around

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iamlindoro:

lenmins is totally broken in proginfo

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, Do you just calculate the length of a recording in mythweb itself, or is there some part of programinfo I don't know about?

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, endtime/progend

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wagnerrp:

russia is deploying strategic bombers to cuba... Putin really wants to bring back the ol' USSR doesnt he

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iamlindoro:

ah, it maps to a qstring, silly

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Lexridge:

wow, now networkmanager is giving me fits and dropping my eth0 connection. It totally disappears from ifconfig. Crap, what have I done?!?!?

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wagnerrp:

Lexridge: when a network interface is shut down, it is removed from the standard ifconfig listing

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wagnerrp:

run 'ifconfig -a'

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wagnerrp:

or... 'ifconfig eth0'

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Lexridge:

well, when it dropped, the ifconfig -a only showed lo0 as an interface. I disabled the interface in system-config-network and set it up in networkmanager and it came back to life.

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Lexridge:

this is like the third time I've had to do this

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wagnerrp:

i dont understand the purpose of NetworkManager on a wired system

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wagnerrp:

laptops, sure

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Lexridge:

I originally installed f10-x64, but had all kinds of problems there, but later determined it was because of the 32bit FC6 upgrade to F10. I full reinstall of the 32bit F10 followed.

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wagnerrp:

but a desktop... all it is is a fancy VPN interface

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Lexridge:

Hey, I don't like networkmanager at all. I'd be happy editing the ifcfg-eth0 file by hand, but F10 seems to force me to use nm.

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Lexridge:

in other words, it seems it does not work well without it.

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Lexridge:

plus, I have to VPNs to maintain, so yea, you are correct.

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Lexridge:

that should have read "I have no VPNs to maintain"

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Lexridge:

I've been thinking CentOS might be in my future. ;)

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wagnerrp:

seems russia has been getting rather active with their bombers in the last 2 years

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kormoc:

I wish they'd just bomb us already and get it over with...

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quicksilver:

Dagmar: I have two signal amps. A masthead one, and an active splitter.

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quicksilver:

Dagmar: the root problem isn't signal, but SNR.

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justinh:

god, if I see one more person in a big F.O. green hat today... grrr

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Maccco:

Hi, what happened to mythtvnews.com? no news since ages

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gbee:

heh, maybe they got tired of being asked to make corrections (news was frequently wrong/inaccurate)

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justinh:

what they were calling 'news' was generally tenuous anyway

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justinh:

more like mythtvconjectureandrumour.com

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Maccco:

i didn't know it doesn't have a great name here

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justinh:

I'm telling it like I see it

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Maccco:

anyway I found it a good advertisment for mythtv software

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justinh:

I thought that's what mythtv's homepage was all about but hey

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Maccco:

Mythtv hompage get update once every two years

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justinh:

not that attracting users is one of the goals of the project. the impression I've been left with is that nobody really cares

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Maccco:

Even if last update is very good looking

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Maccco:

Well, why not?

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ddettman:

Are there ever any MythTV developers get togethers, or any central policy discussions, or is it (like it seems) just a bunch of devs hacking on what they want to make a cool app?

[10:33:02]

ddettman:

not that there's anything wrong with that ;)

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justinh:

Maccco: does it matter why not? nobody gets paid

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Maccco:

Maybe if mythtv would spread more someone could get paid ;)

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justinh:

that's not what FOSS is about though

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Maccco:

Foss is about coding, but not necessarily coding in spare time.

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justinh:

whatever. that argument has no place here

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Maccco:

right

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Maccco:

Why does mythtv has suche a slow release cycle?

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justinh:

I used to put myself out to spread the word about mythtv. been there. done that. made the tshirt. wore the tshirt

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justinh:

these and other FAQs are answered in the wiki

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Maccco:

Sorry!

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justinh:

why do people moan about the release cycle? Moaning about it won't make releases any more frequent

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Maccco:

Just want to talk about it

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justinh:

that one's been done to death. bottom line is.. more contributors are needed

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Maccco:

Because people like updated software

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justinh:

that one's been done to death. bottom line is.. more contributors are needed

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Maccco:

Yes, then more advertising needed :D

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justinh:

you go do it then

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justinh:

that can be your contribution

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Maccco:

Good idea

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tank-man:

you are also "free" to hire someone to contribute

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Maccco:

Anyway the problem is not the releasing cycle, is what people feel about software

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Maccco:

if you go in svn trac you find mythtv is a very "alive" project

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justinh:

personally I don't give a rat's ass when the last release was, because what I have fits my needs very well & I find it to be very reliable

[10:41:05]

justinh:

and the same goes for other software I use

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Maccco:

rat's ass? nice this! XD

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Maccco:

I don't agree anyway. Mythtv is a software really tied to hardware innovations (i.e. hdtv, vdpau)

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justinh:

VDPAU isn't going to be the great panacea IMHO

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justinh:

just like xvmc wasn't

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Maccco:

in my opinion even if mythtvnews.com wasn't always precise, did help mythtv "marketing"

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justinh:

why are you talking about mythtvnews.com in the past tense?

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Maccco:

Interesting! What's wrong with vdpau?

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Maccco:

Because mythtvnews looks a bit abandonware

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justinh:

VDPAU decoding is fraught with problems. Understandable, since it's beta stuff

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Maccco:

don't you think it's ready for everyday use?

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justinh:

no way

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Maccco:

:(

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justinh:

some people do though, but I believe they're misguided

[10:47:54]

justinh:

either that or they have a higher tolerance for problems than I do :)

[10:48:07]

Maccco:

just to name one problem?

[10:49:38]

justinh:

glitches in broadcast streams causing crashes/lockups – or they cause more upset than would be seen with software decoding

[10:50:15]

justinh:

you know what the problem I see about mythtvnews.com? there's never been any way to submit a feature to it

[10:50:21]

Maccco:

I would like to have my new myth-box just to decode the hdtv stream.

[10:51:01]

justinh:

this mythical 'kobski' guy has no means of contacting him from the site. smart

[10:51:18]

Maccco:

The postprocessing thing would be done by an external hardware. (a dvdo edge, or a yamaha z7)

[10:51:25]

justinh:

oh wait. now he does!

[10:52:24]

Maccco:

So you agree it's generally a good idea a mythtvnews site, but don't agree much the way kobsky administrated the thing. Right?

[10:52:50]

justinh:

what difference does it make what I think?ffs

[10:52:53]

Maccco:

Why don't add something like that into mythtv.org? :)

[10:53:20]

justinh:

are you labouring under the misapprehension I'm something to do with this project?

[10:53:34]

Maccco:

:D no i' dont'!

[10:54:08]

Maccco:

but you stated there's no way to add a feature, so I thought you would like to do it ;)

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justinh:

well, like when we became aware mythtv 0.21 was ready for release... there was no way to tell him & he was on holiday. So he got the news like 3 weeks late

[10:55:13]

Maccco:

i remeber!

[10:55:37]

justinh:

makes the site pretty much irrelevant IMHO

[10:55:59]

Maccco:

IMHO that thing should be done into mythtv.org

[10:56:39]

justinh:

release info is

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Maccco:

(sorry, the IMHO repetition wasn't intentional :)

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justinh:

and the official line AFAIK is – if anybody wants to know what's coming up in the next release, just read the -dev & -commits lists

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justinh:

rather than blatant making stuff up: http://mythtvnews.com/2009/01/15/three-things . . . -mythtv-022/

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Maccco:

but release info is rare. Many projects have something like a developer blog.

[10:57:30]

justinh:

so?

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Maccco:

so in medio est virtus

[10:58:07]

justinh:

so what?!

[10:59:40]

Maccco:

so a mid way would be great

[11:00:01]

justinh:

talk to the main man about it

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anykey_:

maccco: wh should the devs need to write a blog instead of code?

[11:00:34]

Maccco:

not just a feature since every release, but somthing more.

[11:00:50]

Maccco:

no, they could do both! ;-)

[11:01:08]

justinh:

write code into a blog? neat idea

[11:01:17]

Maccco:

or write a blog into code!

[11:01:30]

sid3windr:

/****

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sid3windr:

* Hi blog,

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sid3windr:

*

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sid3windr:

* This code sucks

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sid3windr:

*/

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Maccco:

LOL

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Maccco:

off course developers should do what they would like to do

[11:03:05]

Maccco:

no more, no less. I'm noone to tell them what to do

[11:05:30]

Maccco:

I only encourage a project like the mythtvnews. It gives some info about the project directions, and keep attention on it.

[11:05:53]

Maccco:

The more interest in a project, the more developers...

[11:08:14]

Maccco:

Do you think an athlon x2 4850e is enough for hdtv decoding without hardware accel?

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mjec-not-laptop:

Hi all, I'm pretty new to myth but pretty experienced with *nix, looking for tools to test my capture card... any thoughts?

[11:15:01]

Maccco:

what's your card?

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mjec-not-laptop:

DViCo fusion hdtv — but the pci-e version

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mjec-not-laptop:

("dvb-t dual express" i think they call it)

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Maccco:

sorry, i don't know that board!

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mjec-not-laptop:

any pointers to utilities where I might be able to see a bit deeper?

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Maccco:

i see there is a mythtv guide about that

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Maccco:

do you have any /dev(video* device?

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Maccco:

sorry /dev/video*

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justinh:

look for devices in the /dev/dvb tree. not /dev/video

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justinh:

http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DViCO_Fusio . . . Dual_Express

[11:20:42]

Maccco:

right, sorry

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Maccco:

justinh, do you think the athlon 4850e is enough for hdtv playback?

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justinh:

no idea. depends what you call 'hdtv'

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Maccco:

1080i

[11:22:05]

justinh:

1080i WHAT

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Maccco:

mpeg4

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mjec-not-laptop:

justinh: thanks

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justinh:

Maccco: still too general

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Maccco:

i don't know much about dvb-t, since here the switch-off is planned for next year

[11:23:45]

justinh:

broadcast HD outside the US is generally h.264 and is a bastard to play back

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Maccco:

i checked out, it's h264 here

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justinh:

put it this way.. if you use the kind of system specs needed to smoothly decode BBC HD you should be ok

[11:24:56]

Maccco:

even without deinterlacing?

[11:25:03]

justinh:

yeah

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jarle:

If I have a show recorded as "Find One show of this title", and then delete it and allow it to re-record, will it myth then schedule the show for recording when it sees it in the epg, or will it just remove it frome the dupe-checking?

[11:26:28]

justinh:

the wiki has a 'playback reports' page you might find useful. not altogether reliable but better than nothing

[11:26:28]

jarle:

in other words, if the recording is damaged, do I need to reschedule the show, or will delete and allow re-record suffice?

[11:27:47]

justinh:

heh. if the 4850e can reportedly play HDPVR output, you should be fine with broadcast material

[11:27:51]

Maccco:

Thank you Justinh. By the way, are you a coder?

[11:27:56]

justinh:

nope

[11:28:28]

justinh:

I've submitted odd bits of code here & there. And sucky themes

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Maccco:

I'm just wondering if mythtv could change output resolution accordin to the format it's playing

[11:28:51]

justinh:

sure can

[11:29:27]

justinh:

but letting your TV do the scaling sometimes isn't the best way

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Maccco:

I'm talking about a external processor.

[11:30:08]

justinh:

more money than sense IMHO

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justinh:

and won't necessarily look any better than doing it in software

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Maccco:

Just like the anchor bay

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mjec-not-laptop:

dvb-apps/scan refering to my location gives me ``FATAL: failed to open '/dev/dvb/adapter1/frontend0': 16 Device or resource busy'' but scan -c doesn't (thoguh still returns 0 services). Any thoughts?

[11:30:57]

justinh:

I think one thing VDPAU _will_ be useful for is its deinterlacers, if they can be used without the video accel

[11:31:21]

justinh:

mjec-not-laptop: running mythbackend already eh

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mjec-not-laptop:

ahh, doh!

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Maccco:

Justinh, you didn't see an anchro bay in action, did you? ;)

[11:32:23]

justinh:

snake oil

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Maccco:

Anyway it's integrated in the av receiver i'm going to but

[11:32:39]

Maccco:

*buy

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justinh:

better things to spend a month of my wages on

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justinh:

but then, I've yet to be convinced about HD at all

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Maccco:

Women? ;)

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justinh:

check fack

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justinh:

cheeky fack, I mean

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mjec-not-laptop:

hmmm, can run scan now, but getting ERROR: initial tuning failed

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justinh:

mjec-not-laptop: #linuxtv

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mjec-not-laptop:

justinh: thank you

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jarle:

is there a web page where I can keep track of updates to -fixes, but not see all the changes to trunk?

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Maccco:

also a chepaer faroudja would upscale/deinterlace better than an average software scaler

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justinh:

well, if you want to buy some lovely new invisible clothes, you're free to do that Mister Emperor sir

[11:42:05]

gbee:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/log/branches/release-0-21-fixes

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justinh:

the VDPAU video renderer is very nice apparently

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jarle:

gbee: thnx

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AndyCap:

Maccco: sure, that's why people flock to dscaler/ffdshow

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justinh:

libswscale in 0.22 will put an end to all this external box nonsense

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AndyCap:

of course, some other people (who like hardware scalers) also tend to purchase nordost valhalla power cables

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Dibblah:

justinh: Not so much. Those filters are very expensive.

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justinh:

AndyCap: they're the Emperors who were peddled invisible clothes

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justinh:

Dibblah: but you won't really be scaling HD will you? ;-)

[11:48:09]

Dibblah:

Really?

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justinh:

shouldn't be, I wouldn't have thought

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Dibblah:

All of your output devices happen to be able to handle all of your media?

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AndyCap:

justinh: but they're so lovely clothes. :P

[11:48:43]

Dibblah:

And XRandR does modechanging?

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Dibblah:

And matching of refresh rates?

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justinh:

most of what I watch comes in at the same refresh rate. I won't be buying any 24p HD discs

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Dibblah:

Things like 1080i will probably need scaled.

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** AndyCap goes back to looking for a CLD-D925. **

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Dibblah:

Since most drivers don't do interlaced nicely, apparently.

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justinh:

stick to deinterlacing in software then

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Dibblah:

Which means you also need scaling, realistically.

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Dibblah:

Unless you have a 1080p display.

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AndyCap:

why couldn't people just stick to 720p, noo, we had to keep interlacing around. :P

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justinh:

the improvements gained by these money sinks is apparently worth it. for the amount of telly I actually watch it's not worth it

[11:54:48]

Dibblah:

Indeed. This sort of thing is best done in hardware, though.

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Dibblah:

VDPAU does it well, apparently.

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Dibblah:

(The scaler is different from the normal XV scaler, from all reports)

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AndyCap:

wonder if there's much truth to the stories of the intel driver getting vdpau.

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Dibblah:

AndyCap: You'll need a very recent chipset.

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AndyCap:

well, if they actually deliver I have it. :P

[11:57:34]

Dibblah:

All of the Intel chips are pretty low-end, flexible pipeline wise.

[11:57:45]

AndyCap:

unless you need one not available in stores.:P

[11:57:48]

Dibblah:

They have fixed pipelines for some things.

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Dibblah:

i945 doesn't even have full XvMC for mpeg2.

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justinh:

I'd be looking for an edible hat if I were an Intel fan

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AndyCap:

did like the fact that it compared ok to a nvidia 7xxx

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AndyCap:

but of course, that was on windows. :)

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ddettman:

I found the "Contact the MythTV Developers" form, that seems a logical place to Contact the MythTV Developers, I'll try that.

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janneg:

ddettman: what are you trying to archieve? mythtv-dev ml is probably a better way to contact the mythtv developer

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Maccco:

AndyCap, people like to use dscaled/ffdshow because it's cheaper not necessarily because it's better

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Maccco:

Justinh, if you aren't going to buy any 24p disc, you aren't going to buy any hd movie!

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Maccco:

Anyway i'm going to buy an av recevier for the sound, but it has also a professional video processing. Why don't use it?

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justinh:

so I'm never likely to buy a HD movie. I can't remember the last DVD I bought that wasn't a present for somebody else :-P

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Maccco:

Me too. But blu-ray encouraged me to buy

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justinh:

it's about time cinema used a higher frame rate anyway. never mind 3D

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Maccco:

I agree. Cinema should improve temporal resolution, not develop 3d craziness

[12:23:53]

Maccco:

But since cinema is in 24p, then long live 24p blu-ray.

[12:24:26]

Maccco:

When you have the right gear it's a better experience to see a movie in you home, instead of going to the cinema.

[12:24:49]

Maccco:

for the same price

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justinh:

hmm. people living in their own little boxes missing out on the communal experience. I'd like to see cinemas showing more than just films :)

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AndyCap:

justinh: well, as Scott Adams predicts, the holodeck will be mankinds last invention.

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Maccco:

i hate cinemas :) smell of brun oil everywhere, sweaty neighbours. Children laughing or crying

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justinh:

going to see a film once costs me less than £7. if you go at rthe right time, no kids or crowds to worry about :)

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Maccco:

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justinh:

and as films go, there isn't much I'd want to see more than once

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laga:

if you go "at the right time", you're probably unemployed :)

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Maccco:

lol!

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justinh:

laga: nah, wednesday night

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justinh:

or any weeknight

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AndyCap:

went to see a movie at three o'clock once, there were about 3 people there and us.

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Maccco:

We have discounts on wed too (italy)

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justinh:

there was a time when I'd have bought into all the hype about HD etc. not now

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Maccco:

Andy if you went at *1* o'clock you would be alone

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AnNahar:

the flash player in mythweb... the controls seem to disappear sometimes

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** justinh wonders which part of "this feature is very experimental and is not supported" is so hard to understand **

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Maccco:

Justinh, it's always better to buy away from hype

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** AnNahar wonders why justinh is being an assumptive doofus **

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gbee:

justinh: there is no question that the hype has exceeded the reality, but HD is still pretty – that said I really only see the value for nature documentaries, never really notice it with ordinary shows etc

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Maccco:

One thing most people don't uderstand is blu-ray gives the right value to your equipment

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justinh:

AnNahar: the 'not supported' bit is important. besides.. it'll likely be the fault of the flash player

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gbee:

and I can definately see why American's go goo-gah over HD, compared to NTSC it really is a step change – rest of the world it's more subtle

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Maccco:

not on a pc monitor with the logitch speakers

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justinh:

oh hell yeah. over NTSC.. it's like a breath of fresh air

[12:32:19]

Maccco:

a true-hd track is a lot better than a dts track

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Maccco:

sorry have to go, see you later

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justinh:

there comes a point where people will not like having to be literally surrounded by speakers

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jarle:

I have some channels that have the identical epg 95% of the time. (for example the different BBC1 channels), if I have a "record any time on any channel" on one of these channels, and chose to not record a specific recording, the scheduler will still record the specific program, just selecting a different (equal) channel. How do you guys work around this?

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** justinh is cynical. it's all about shifting more boxes for the sake of making money. nothing more & nothing less **

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iamlindoro:

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA

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iamlindoro:

I picked the right time to be unable to sleep

[12:33:59]

iamlindoro:

because the "HD Audio formats are better than the *old* HD audio formats" bit is comedy gold

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gbee:

jarle: change the callsigns on those channels to match, mythtv will then see then as the same channel – or use Never Record instead

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justinh:

if I was 10 years younger I'd be the one scratching my head at why somebody like me is so closed-minded about new stuff

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iamlindoro:

Those are usually the people who can "hear the difference between analog and digital"

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gbee:

or since you really don't need 10 regional variations on BBC1, just hide all but one of them

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justinh:

oh yes. very nice. just one thing. Is it really worth waxing a month's pay on?

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gbee:

if your life is so empty that you've nothing else to spend it on

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justinh:

or if your priorities are screwed up ;)

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justinh:

the good news for the industry is,there are new customers born every minute

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gbee:

the final step to building your own perfect personal home cinema is to brick up the door from the inside, the rest of your life will be spent watching films alone until your supplys of popcorn run out and you starve to death

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justinh:

lol

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iamlindoro:

This is where children and pets come in, they're delicious

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jarle:

gbee: so I could change the callsign to match, but keep the name to be able to see which regional channel I'm looking at?

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justinh:

whee. I got Friday & Monday off. Chainsaw maniac anonymous :)

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gbee:

jarle: yes

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Dibblah:

Friday to do the work – Monday so you can get back from hospital? ;)

[12:47:17]

justinh:

heh

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justinh:

good grief. looking in the wiki's /dev/null at the mo, just for laughs

[12:47:41]

justinh:

"Start playback of songs at a random point in each song."

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justinh:

in Gods name WHY?

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iamlindoro:

justinh, Hey, don't steal my spare time ideas :)

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laga:

iamlindoro: there's enough suffering for everyone

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iamlindoro:

hahah, I'll say

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justinh:

hey if I'm that much of a PITA just get me banned from freenode

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iamlindoro:

IF people put as much effort into the rest of the wiki as they do to the VDPAU page, we'd have perfect documentation and an army of people who knew what they were doing

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justinh:

iamlindoro: and their own user pages. sheesh

[12:49:22]

iamlindoro:

that too

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justinh:

the world needs another 'here is my system' page

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iamlindoro:

on that note, a 500 Mhz VIA with a VDPAU card with an eight pound heatsink is sort of like a Honda Civic with a four foot tall spoiler, no?

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justinh:

more like a handbag dog with ..er... hmmm. bad analogy

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** gbee quietly shuffles his 'here is my system' page under the rug **

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justinh:

gbee: least your page shows that an ok-looking box can be had for £notmuch :)

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Dibblah:

Mine would not show much.

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Dibblah:

My case cost £40. £37 of that was PSU.

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Dibblah:

(PicoPSU + soap on a rope DC PSU)

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Dibblah:

The rest of the cost is plywood. :)

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justinh:

can you buy those DC-DC converters without the mains brick?

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justinh:

cos I can get hold of nice mains adapters :)

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Dibblah:

Yes.

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Dibblah:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt . . . 250334978295

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Dibblah:

The GBP going down is nasty here, though :(

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mzb_d800:

120W http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI . . . 270355740591

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gbee:

review on The Register of a new Samsung 256Gb SSD ... the dry stats are, well dry, but the final test they did stands out – boot times for the same system using a Samsung Spinpoint and the Samsung SSD – boot times dropped over 3 and a half minutes minimum

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justinh:

boot times over 3 minutes? wtf?

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gbee:

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/03/17/revie . . . 5/page5.html

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** iamlindoro wonders why the boot times were 3.5 minutes in the first place **

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gbee:

price is obscene, but the tech looks like it's set to stay

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gbee:

iamlindoro: Windows ... go figure

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iamlindoro:

ah, of course, duh :)

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iamlindoro:

I am very curious about the sustainability/volatility of the manufacturing process/the drives themselves long term

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iamlindoro:

Does anyone know if the process/materials are better/worse for the environment?

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iamlindoro:

of SSD versus megnetic media, that is

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gbee:

there is a little explanation of the boot speed on that page, basically once you include things like the AV, third party drivers and software etc

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iamlindoro:

magnetic

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janneg:

iamlindoro: it's even worse: 4 minutes 48 seconds, 5 minutes 43 seconds, 6 minutes 35 seconds

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iamlindoro:

janneg, ewwwww! :)

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gbee:

just switching to the SSD brought that down to 1 minute 14 seconds, 1 minute 21 seconds and 1 minute 28 seconds

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janneg:

it would be even with fscks a long time

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gbee:

which is the crazy bit

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janneg:

the most interesting number is missing, io ops per second for small writes

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justinh:

iamlindoro: SSD is just memory. HDDs are probably worse for the environment long term

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justinh:

electricity use in production, in use.. weight in shipping, raw material..

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justinh:

packaging..

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iamlindoro:

justinh, Of course I know it's just memory, I was more curious about the manufacturing processes/etc. and whether one was more caustic

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justinh:

electronic fab is electronic fab

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iamlindoro:

justinh, I guess I worried what with all the chemicals needed for etching/manufacturing memory, that it might be more toxic if adopted widely

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justinh:

no more than masks for generic chips AFAIK

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iamlindoro:

right, but the lion's share of a magnetic drive is non-etched. So the question is, if everyone switches to SSD, is that a net environmental negative, or positive?

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justinh:

not the latter day equivalent of mercury tubes:P

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iamlindoro:

I don't know that anyone knows, just musing

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justinh:

I suspect it'll still be better long-term than HDDs considering how many different raw materials are used in HDDs etc

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justinh:

interesting point though

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justinh:

so er.. the aliends have been showing you mental images of world destruction during the abduction process too? wow

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iamlindoro:

I just lay awake at night worrying about offsetting the carbon emissions due to clever's computer collection

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justinh:

well, maybe he's the one doing the world a favour when his old hardware isn't being dismantled by kids working with caustic chemicals in back yards with no protection

[14:01:20]

justinh:

aka the truth about electronic recycling

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iamlindoro:

heh, depends on if you engage in the "you pay us" type recycling or the "we pay you" type recycling

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iamlindoro:

Which is to say here in hippie california you can make sure your stuff is disposed of by adults, properly, and safely... but you don't come out ahead on that one :)

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justinh:

how the hell do we know? we just take it to the local tip & they deal with it

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iamlindoro:

I only say with some degree of certainty because I know it happens on-site at the place I'm thinking of

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justinh:

our councils sell it on

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justinh:

probably without exception

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justinh:

and we export a hell of a lot of recycling. still, makes for good numbers eh

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iamlindoro:

As of about August last year we had a bill here in the state legislature to ban export of electronics recycling to countries who don't adhere to our local standards

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iamlindoro:

And we pay the recycling fees up front when buying the device, unlike most states

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iamlindoro:

but I'm sure we're not perfect and things still need to improve

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justinh:

ouch. y'all must pay through the nose & be loaded

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justinh:

bring on the toxic swap I say

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iamlindoro:

It's been a bit since I bought a monitor, even for work, but ISTR it's about 8% on a monitor, itemized separately, ie "CA e-waste recycling fee"

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** justinh wishes more stuff were repairable in the 1st place **

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iamlindoro:

Even perfectly working stuff gets thrown out due to planned obsolescence, too

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justinh:

not in my house

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iamlindoro:

nor in clever's :)

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justinh:

they should tax a stop to that too :)

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iamlindoro:

the key is to not acquire *more* stuff IMO

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iamlindoro:

Guess I'll go in to work so I can sneak out extra-early (boss permitting)

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justinh:

flexitime ftw :D

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justinh:

bugger that even taking half an hour for lunch the earliest I can get away is 3.30pm, and still gain 30 mins flexi

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iamlindoro:

I mostly beat everyone in by an hour and a half and skip lunch to try to make a 3–3:30 hometime

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iamlindoro:

speaking of which...

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Maccco:

iamlindoro, so the lossless streams aren't better than dts?

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Maccco:

and mp3 sound like cd's?

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justinh:

depends on your definitoin of 'better'. youngsters are said to prefer the fizz of mp3

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justinh:

in blind tests

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Maybe I'm just getting old, but I can't hear any significant differences with 192kb/sec or higher MP3 nowadays...

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Maccco:

Try with an hi-end gear

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justinh:

lol. hi

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sphery:

I would need hi-end ears to hear a difference.

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Maccco:

no, you don't

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sphery:

I'm not saying others can't hear it, but I know I can't (regardless of the equipment in use) as my ears are not very discriminatory.

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justinh:

even 192k mp3 sounds splashy to my ears. haven't bothered to try higher bitrates

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justinh:

sucks anyway because it won't work gaplessly. and ogg.. nothing bloody supports ogg

[14:46:32]

Maccco:

you need normal ear, you couldn't if you have some hearing problem

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justinh:

mp3 is the modern equivalent of ferric tape :P

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justinh:

good enough for most people who don't care enough or aren't snobby enough

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sphery:

what was the show where they got some musicians and people who work in recording (mixing/producing/something) who claimed that either digital or analog was /much/ better and would never use the other to try to tell whether a recording they were hearing was analog or digital (MP3)? I think it was either a MythBusters or a Nova episode. None were much over 50% accurate and most were in the 40's...

[14:49:07]

justinh:

well, old people lose HF response sooner :)

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Maccco:

digital != mp3 !!!

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sphery:

in this test it was

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sphery:

I think I still have good HF response... I was at a friend's and he (without saying anything) started playing that MP3 of the ringtone kids use in schools that many adults can't hear and I jumped out of my chair and covered my ears asking what that was.

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Maccco:

It depends on the test. There are music which shows more mp3 weakness

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sphery:

I wish you had seen it because I'd love to hear about whether it was a fair test or not.

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Maccco:

It's not a matter of too much high freqs

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Maccco:

It's a distortion in the 10khz or higher

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justinh:

it's funny. really funny. emperor's new clothes again

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Maccco:

justin, can you explain me this thing?

[14:54:42]

justinh:

parting fools with their money 101

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sphery:

Think this is the same ringtone... http://www.jetcityorange.com/mosquito-ringtone/

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justinh:

sphery: I can guarantee I won't hear that. Apart from the fact I have no speakers here :P

[14:55:39]

justinh:

last time I tested my hearing I think 14k was the limit

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justinh:

not bad considering

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Maccco:

Are you saying that hi-fi audio is for fools who like waste money?

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Maccco:

14k is normal

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justinh:

Maccco: I'm saying that purists are generally fools who like wasting money

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Maccco:

are maniacs

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Maccco:

I agree on this

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iamlindoro_:

I say that hi-fi audio is for fools who like to waste money

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justinh:

$10000 power cables

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justinh:

gold plated optical cables

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justinh:

equipment with separate PSUs

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Maccco:

whithout exageratin i knew people who buyed 300 euros hdmi cables

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justinh:

CD players with DAC & PSU in a different box to the mechanism

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iamlindoro_:

Never mind that double-blind tests between high-bitrate DTS and unencoded audio show that you have as much likelihood of picking which is which as pure chance, GIVE ME MOAR FORMATZ!

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AndyCap:

I've seen tests complementing DVI cables on the black-level

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justinh:

AndyCap: don't forget colorometry

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iamlindoro_:

AndyCap: This cable totally gets more bits through ;)

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sphery:

OK... Found out what show it was. Wired Science. http://www.pbs.org/kcet/wiredscience/story/67-audio_files.html

[14:58:27]

sphery:

wonder if it's on hulu...

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AndyCap:

not to mention 400£ denon cat 5 cable

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iamlindoro_:

That Cat5 is my favorite

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[Peter]:

actually it is shielded cat 6 IIRC :)

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AndyCap:

[Peter]: oh, that totally changes everything. :P

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sphery:

Here's the show: http://www.pbs.org/kcet/wiredscience/video/212-audio_files.html ... Someone who thinks there's a difference watch that and tell me if it's a good test.

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AndyCap:

http://www.usa.denon.com/productdetails/3429.asp

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justinh:

http://bit.ly/hr1A0 ... lol

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sphery:

As iamlindoro_ said, they were almost as likely to pick which is which as pure chance (though they were a little on the low side for pure chance)

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AndyCap:

high performance connection parts,

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iamlindoro_:

abqjp: Ping?

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Maccco:

But I don't think that the difference between a lossy and a lossless track is for purists (in the negative way)

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AndyCap:

Ok, that part I can agree with. overpriced, but still

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sphery:

AndyCap: that cat 5 cable /is/ high-quality and special because it's directional... Most cat 5 doesn't matter which end goes to which NIC.

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AndyCap:

sphery: of course.

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sphery:

I love those arrows on it.

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AndyCap:

sphery: love the arrows. :-P

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[Peter]:

but it's ultra premium?

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justinh:

I used to think Denon were respectable. Bye bye respect

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Maccco:

:-O

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[Peter]:

and it's kind of good looking :)

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AndyCap:

justinh: moar profitz

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sphery:

You've gotta respect any company that can make that much profit on a piece of cat 5 cable...

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justinh:

then again after using their DN-2000F MkIII CD players for a couple of years I kinda lost my respect for them then

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iamlindoro_:

I think respect is the wrong verb ;)

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Maccco:

Come on guys, don't show me that $400 cable to throw s**t on the hi-fi enthusiasts

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sphery:

Stupid google... An "I'm feeling lucky" (or location bar) search for "tv.com wired science" (no quotes) takes you to the Weird Science tv show page.

[15:03:49]

Maccco:

Hi-fi doesn't mean buy expensive

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justinh:

it means buy into a religion

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iamlindoro_:

The cable doesn't make hi-fi enthusiasts look bad... their being unable to pick out which is lossy and which isn't in a double blind test does though :)

[15:04:14]

Maccco:

no justinh,

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AndyCap:

sure, and hacker doesn't mean bad guy that breaks into computers.

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iamlindoro_:

I love it when newbies come in for their first time and teach us all about audio and video

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justinh:

I'm just pulling your leg anyway. I like my 'hi fi' but I'm not one of the gimps who falls for the schmaltz about oxygen free BS

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Maccco:

iamlindoro_ who is teaching what?

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justinh:

and jitter. that makes me laugh

[15:06:02]

sphery:

justinh: Like the iPod Hi-Fi speaker setup? But is that buying into 2 religions? http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_ip . . . ies/speakers

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Maccco:

yes, the new commercial trap

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** AndyCap is reminded to check out some of the ebu stuff on jitter **

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AndyCap:

sphery: very ecumenical

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justinh:

hmmm. iPoo is tricky. like Metal tape :)

[15:07:48]

AndyCap:

and for something entirely different, anyone play with the squeezebox controller?

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iamlindoro_:

I used to, but my mom walked in on me once and I have a complex now

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AndyCap:

harr harr. not that one, the one you pick up and shake around.

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sphery:

Heh... I guess Apple stopped selling the one billed as the "Hi-Fi" system: http://www.macnn.com/articles/07/09/05/ipod.h . . . .from.store/

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AndyCap:

http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/SqueezeboxController

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iamlindoro_:

What, that's not how you do it?

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sphery:

"audiophile-quality" sound from your iPod

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justinh:

AndyCap: put it this way, when you get jitter you know about it

[15:09:38]

AndyCap:

sphery: you mean install rockbox and play flac?

[15:09:47]

sphery:

heh, that would work

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justinh:

AndyCap: on a > v2 ipod? LOL

[15:10:02]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: the mere existence of all the hardware proves the foolhardiness of the community

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sphery:

no, all audiophiles know you have to go retro for true audio quality--so v2 or below...

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iamlindoro_:

It's like modern archaeology.

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AndyCap:

tubes!

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justinh:

groan

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AndyCap:

iTube!

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AndyCap:

where the heck did I see a pre-transistor amp for ipod

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Maccco:

I'm an hi-fi enthusiast, but don't think the old gear is the way.

[15:11:22]

sphery:

AndyCap: I'd be far more interested in the Squeezebox Controller if it ran a modifiable GNU/Linux...

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justinh:

AndyCap: motherboards with valve audio stages :D

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Maccco:

lol

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AndyCap:

sphery: what I heard it does. but I haven't looked into it yet.

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sphery:

OK, so, SqueezeOS is an "embedded Linux distribution"

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AndyCap:

http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/01/04/hot-new- . . . es-it-sound/

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iamlindoro_:

I actually dug the motherboards with tubes, but purely for aesthetic

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sphery:

"SqueezeOS is a complete embedded Linux distribution that includes ARM cross-compiler"... Strange... Why would you need a cross-compiler to compile on the device/OS on which you plan to use your "applet"

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AndyCap:

sphery: I guess that's after marketing got throught with it. :P

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justinh:

we should euthenaise anybody who thinks tubes look cool

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sphery:

ahhh

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Maccco:

Anyone here have a Jetway nc62k motherboard?

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: Yikes, been nice knowing you

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Maccco:

Tubes are cool in guitar gear

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: that includes blue tubes

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AndyCap:

http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/SqueezeOS_Smoke_Tests

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: and blootubes?

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AndyCap:

Nixietubes are cool.

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justinh:

and those. and wide ones

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sphery:

justinh: but after the nuclear apocolypse, I'll still be able to listen to my music and all those young 'uns using those new-fangled transister radios will be music-less due to the EMP

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sphery:

(I actually don't have any tube-based equipment)

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iamlindoro_:

Yay Fallout!

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justinh:

sphery: actually only if they'd been hardened pre-war

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iamlindoro_:

One of my favorite serieseseses ever

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justinh:

even toobs are vulnerable.. just less so

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sphery:

game series?

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sphery:

justinh: didn't know that...

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AndyCap:

fallout

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: yes, great games

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sphery:

I've been told I need to pick up the new XBox 360 Fallout game...

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iamlindoro_:

I loved the new one, too, to my surprise

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iamlindoro_:

and *tons* of replayability, and I never replay games

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iamlindoro_:

Easy to put the game on, play a 30 minute side mission, and walk away, which is good for one with limited time

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justinh:

I'm having to stop myself deleting /themes today. nasty. somebody should remove my svn privs

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** AndyCap replays pong **

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** sid3windr slaps justinh **

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sid3windr:

GET YARSELF TOGETHER MAN

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justinh:

vandalism is a sign of boredom methinks

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sid3windr:

well I know what you could do

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: Well, having many of the themes in trunk is becoming more and more moot as even more screens need to fall back to default/default-wide

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AndyCap:

a large sledgehammer and a junkyard should cure that.

[15:18:03]

sid3windr:

fill mythtv.org with exciting news!

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justinh:

I still think there's no point hoping I'll want to commit anything ever again

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iamlindoro_:

ie, is it mythcenter any more if any time you leave the menu it falls back to default?

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justinh:

lol

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justinh:

ach well it was good while it lasted

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iamlindoro_:

HEhehe, plugin for WinMCE that twitters when something is recorded/not recorded

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iamlindoro_:

how long until that's on the /dev/null page?

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sid3windr:

tweet tweet

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AndyCap:

is now recording: Debbie does Dallas IV.

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justinh:

myth doesn't know if a recording failed

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justinh:

the log gets a message but that's it

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justinh:

surprised it never does anything about it though

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sphery:

best solution is to fix the cause of the failure :)

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iamlindoro_:

I sense a future half-written-then-deleted-in-disgust patch in the making...

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justinh:

sphery: the logs never give a hint as to what causes it

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Maccco:

Just a question: what happens to a transcoding job if the backend machine crashes before it finishes?

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sphery:

Maccco: I'd guess the backend restarts it when the backend is restarted

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sphery:

(assuming mythtranscode is killed before restarting)

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Maccco:

cool!

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sphery:

that's what happens for mythcommflag jobs

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Maccco:

i'm talking about a total hardware chrash.

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justinh:

like er.. through the window & hit by an oncoming truck?

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Maccco:

Justinh more or less. that's what my Via hardware gives me somtime

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justinh:

throw it thru the window & pray it gets hit by a truck

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sphery:

shouldn't matter how mythbackend dies, just that it (and mythtranscode) died

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Maccco:

This reminds me a post from a kde dveloper who posted the dmesg when accidentaly kicked his external hd

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** Maccco today has learned than lossless codecs aren't better than lossy, that ffdshow/dscale work better than a anchor bay processor **

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sphery:

Anyone know what "MCE IR receiver" the OP is talking about at http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-dev/2009-March/064746.html ? According to http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-dev/2009-March/064739.html it "has normal TV controls on the outside and inside a keyboard."

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Sounds like he bought one of the ones being sold as "MCE" and not the real thing

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iamlindoro_:

eg one of the many eBay clones

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sphery:

that would explain his using a totally non-descript name for it.

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sphery:

but it doesn't really help me figure out what device he has so I can tell him how to configure it as a keyboard.

[15:41:20]

iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx/jams: My changer arrives today, I'm psyched to play :)

[15:42:17]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: I'm still not convinced that whatever it is he's trying to do is within the norm

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sphery:

I'm guessing he's just using some IR keyboard, but using his MCE IR receiver dongle to get the codes to his computer

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iamlindoro_:

On an unrelated note, what's up with people PMing me to talk about mean things I said about their audio codecs?

[15:42:56]

iamlindoro_:

Who cares what I/you/anyone things?

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iamlindoro_:

thinks, that is

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

sphery: supposedly it's a remote that flips open with a keyboard, sounds kinda like a cell-phone keyboard type thing...

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sphery:

yeah... I don't think I'll figure it out without asking. Guess I'll respond (to the -users list) with a question.

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sid3windr:

iamlindoro_: turns out the logs are under heavy scrutiny!

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sid3windr:

:)

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iamlindoro_:

sid3windr: So it seems! (Although he was here) Who knew we were such taste makers?

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iamlindoro_:

I really *do* think that going from 5.1->7.1 and HD audio codecs->moar HD audio codecs is reaching a point of diminishing returns, and I'm not sorry for saying so

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro_: did paul change from _ to -, or is that a different paul?

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A|work: Same

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

ok. ;-)

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Gozar:

Hi, I'm trying to get a dvb card to work with mythtv. I've set it up in mythtv-setup as a dvb capture card. And i've so fair been able to get a schannel list from it. However when I tuen in on the new channels from mythfrontend I only getting noice. What did I do wrong?

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wagnerrp:

you should NEVER get 'noise' on a dvb card

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iamlindoro_:

unless it's a DVB radio channel and you mean you actually get understandable sound

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Gozar:

Never the less That's what I get?

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Gozar:

I do have a framegrapper as well. Could it be trying to use the wrong card?

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wagnerrp:

'noise' meaning static? the grey randomness?

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Gozar:

Yes

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wagnerrp:

that only comes out of analog hardware

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wagnerrp:

youre pulling video off the framegrabber

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Gozar:

Hmm, But mythtv-setup discovered the channels and automaticley named them!

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wagnerrp:

did you add both halves of the card?

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Gozar:

What do you mean, both halves?

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wagnerrp:

dvb and framegrabber

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Gozar:

Yes

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wagnerrp:

did you add the framegrabber first in the list?

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Gozar:

Yep as it was the only card I had untill today

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wagnerrp:

and youre in livetv?

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Gozar:

I am now

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wagnerrp:

did you tell livetv to change inputs?

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Gozar:

No I did'ent

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sphery:

use the Menu to do so

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wagnerrp:

SciFi is changing its name to 'SyFy'... its all downhill from here

[16:05:12]

wagnerrp:

anyway, hit 'm' to go into the menu

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wagnerrp:

change inputs to the other tuner

[16:05:31]

sphery:

So, all this thinking about remotes has me once again longing for my ideal remote for myth... RF with good reception anywhere in my house...

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iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp: Wow, seriously? Oy

[16:06:04]

iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp: Can we call it Siffy?

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sphery:

I considered trying to hack together my own bluetooth remote, but I'm wondering if a wifi remote would work better...

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sphery:

wagnerrp: probably got some complaints about the lack of Science in much of their Fiction

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wagnerrp:

sphery: like a cheap hacked ipod touch or something?

[16:07:18]

wagnerrp:

maybe an old(er) PDA

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sphery:

I want real buttons, though--for a "blind" control

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AndyCap:

with or without a display?

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sphery:

(i.e. don't have to look at the stupid screen)

[16:07:50]

sphery:

though a display would open some interesting possibilities...

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wagnerrp:

not sure where youre going to get a wifi 'remote', thats actually intended as a remote so as to have those sorts of buttons

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sphery:

thus the "hack together my own" :)

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sphery:

wonder what kind of battery life I could get from a wifi one, though--probably very poor--even with suspend

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sphery:

as it would require a real processor as well as the wifi transceiver

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wagnerrp:

who cares, my harmony wont last more than a couple days without putting it back on the charger

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sphery:

I just switched to a Blackberry and can easily drain it in a day if I'm not nice to it (i.e. don't suspend it and leave bluetooth enabled)

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sphery:

Figure all the power I'm saving by switching to 80 PLUS PSU's will be eaten by my new phone :)

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meshe_:

i'm lucky if my iphone lasts until bedtime

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Gozar:

Machine, crashed. Ive swithed input now.. Now I get a black screen saying I should have gotten a channel lock

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro_: someone on /. mentioned 'siffy' as a pet name for a syphillis infection

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sphery:

Yeah, if I enable wifi on my BB, it really drains the battery. If I'm talking over wifi (T-Mobile UMA--gives me /much/ better signal in the house than the GSM signal), I can almost watch the battery indicator move...

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iamlindoro_:

Ah, the Sif

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AndyCap:

the squeezebox is a little short on buttons thoug

[16:12:45]

meshe:

sphery: ouch

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AndyCap:

I do like my gyration mce remote though

[16:13:06]

sphery:

AndyCap: yeah, that and the thread on -dev (now -users) got me thinking about it, again

[16:13:32]

sphery:

Though I'll /never/ do gyration or wii-mote style remotes...

[16:13:33]

AndyCap:

fiirechief is the same box but they have cooler firmware

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meshe:

i used to have an rf remote that had a ir transmitter that you put near your devices

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AndyCap:

sphery: you don't have to wave it around if you don't want to

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AndyCap:

and since myth doesn't need a mouse, I don't. :P

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sphery:

meshe: yeah, that's the way the RF Logitech Harmony's work. I'd actually consider an RF Harmony if it would pass a signal to a computer rather than repeating it as an IR signal.

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AndyCap:

sphery: gut the ir transciever and hook it up to the parallel port? :P

[16:15:37]

sphery:

that would be much easier to do if the RF Harmony's weren't so expensive :)

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** AndyCap wants small modules to hotwire remote-less pushbuttons with. **

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sphery:

(after all, having to buy 3 or more to figure it out would be quite expensive :)

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wagnerrp:

you cant just buy the extender?

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sphery:

extender?

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wagnerrp:

the RF-to-IR base

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sphery:

oh, for when I destroy the one that comes with the harmony?

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** AndyCap just wants the buttons sent to the computer and leave the macros etc to the pc. **

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sphery:

exactly

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sphery:

Remotes should /not/ be smart. The Myth box should be smart.

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** Maccco would love a bluetooth keyboard with touchpad and programmable IR transmitter **

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wagnerrp:

AndyCap: but that requires setting up blasters on everything

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Gozar:

I berfey got a picture, Now I get "Error saw encountered while displaying video"!

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sphery:

myth box can then use appropriate control mechanisms for different devices (i.e. send a serial signal to TV to power it on, send IR signals to receiver to power it on, send commands to Myth to go to Watch Recordings all from one button press...)

[16:19:25]

meshe:

send a signal to the tv to change to the correct input, switch the stereo to the correct input

[16:19:46]

sphery:

Maccco: I would love a wireless keyboard on which /I/ can control/review the encryption code.

[16:20:18]

sphery:

I know this is really paranoid, but I /never/ type my password on a wireless keyboard.

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Maccco:

Sphery, in my living room i have 2 sixaxis, 1 remote for tv, one for mythtv, one for the av-receiver.

[16:20:59]

Maccco:

One keyboard and a mouse

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wagnerrp:

well it depends on whether there is anyone in the area with the capacity to actually use that

[16:21:42]

wagnerrp:

i dont expect my neighbors to be computer savvy enough to know how to turn off javascript on their browser

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: rs-232

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sphery:

yay! air conditioning guy should be here in 40 minutes to fix my 15-month old top-of-the-line AC unit...

[16:22:40]

meshe:

is it hot there?

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Maccco:

air conditioning? here the weather forecasts say snow :)

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wagnerrp:

AndyCap: i mean the rf signals my wireless keyboard is pumping out

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sphery:

wagnerrp: true, and my neighbors prove the "really paranoid" part of my statement (they're like yours)

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sphery:

meshe: it's Florida here :)

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: I was thinking about the blasters on everything part.

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wagnerrp:

i know full well its entirely unencrypted

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wagnerrp:

every so often, something gets screwed up, and i start typing on my sister's computer down the hall

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Maccco:

anyway my radio keyboard isn't strong enoguh to be listened from the outside

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AndyCap:

that said, it seems not even the crestron cult maintains a list of equipment controllable over rs-232

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AndyCap:

so it requires a little digging

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wagnerrp:

Maccco: my wireless keyboard is unusable not 4ft from the receiver, but that didnt stop it from opening random crap on my sister's computer some 50ft and several walls away

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sphery:

Maccco: there was a guy in Sweden (I think) who was having problems with his new IR keyboard/mouse just doing things itself... Turned out a neighbor about 1000 feet away(?) had the same model and his receiver picked up his neighbors signals.

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wagnerrp:

sphery: IR? or RF?

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sphery:

Norway, 150m: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/11/21/why_d . . . ping_appear/

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Maccco:

sphery, this means the radio protocol is poorly designed. Maybe a bluetooth keyboard is more secure

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meshe:

keystrokes can be read 60ft away on a wired keybaord: http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/1 . . . amp;from=rss

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Maccco:

anyway my bluettoth sixaxis don't work well if the wifi router is on heavy duty

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wagnerrp:

Maccco: several years ago, i heard some thing about a group of hackers that got a cheap cantenna, and were listening in on peoples cell phone conversations (over their bluetooth headsets) as they went under a bridge, in real time

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Maccco:

It's like wep and pwa

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Maccco:

wpa sorry

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Maccco:

wep can be broken more easily

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Maccco:

wpa can be broken too. Computer story shows each encryption is defeatable

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wagnerrp:

wep can be broken using antiquated hardware in a matter of minutes

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Maccco:

right

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

meshe: that /. article seems a bit farfetched – being able to pick up keystrokes from noise generated on the power ground??? I dunno...

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Maccco:

This means no hardware is totally secure, it's just a matter of "how much secure you need it"

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

I'm going to have to start typing in code. ;-)

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Maccco:

binary code?

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meshe:

"and I thought I saw a 2!!!"

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wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A|work: im sure its about as reasonable as Van Eck phreaking

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Maccco:

0110001101101111011011110110110000100001

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Sure... or Hex or Ocatal... ;-)

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Maccco:

http://www.roubaixinteractive.com/PlayGround/ . . . _To_Text.asp

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Well, I can see "off of the keyboard ground wire" – But then the article goes on to say that it passes into the buildings power wires... Umm... yeah...

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wagnerrp:

well, it passes into the ground wire

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wagnerrp:

of course you have to be able to filter the keyboard signals out from all the other computer noise

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jroysdon:

All the mroe reason to use a combo of password + fingerprint/bio device, and use public key for remote ssh access

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wagnerrp:

and all the noise of all the other keyboards

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Maccco:

Looks like a thery wich doesn't take account on how much variables come in

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gbee:

gave brief consideration to a bluetooth keyboard when I recently needed to buy a new wireless one, but at 3–4x the price (over £100) ... err, I'll take the risk

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jroysdon:

(fingerprint bio by itself isn't secure, but better to have two insecure layers than just one)

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wagnerrp:

jroysdon: you need an eye scanner and voiceprint too... just to be sure

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Maccco:

gbee, what do you thin about this? http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/keyboards/k . . . amp;cl=US,EN

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jroysdon:

wagnerrp – yeah, getting pretty costly there. But many laptops (Thinkpads) have fingerprint readers built in

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wagnerrp:

my sister has an older dinovo... i dont really like the keys on it

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jroysdon:

My last laptop did, and getting it working in Linux was easy enough

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Maccco:

Here in Italy the parliament is experimenting a fingerprint authenticated voting system

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jroysdon:

fingerprint for the only auth is broken

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Maccco: My previous boss had one of those sets-- with the mouse it was like $300...

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jroysdon:

(very easy to fake)

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wagnerrp:

in other news... the Italian government wants to build a nationwide fingerprint database

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gbee:

and track your supposedly anonymous votes (well it's already done here in the UK at least :( )

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jroysdon:

What a good but still cheap video out card? My onboard nvidia is too slow for HD, I fear. It is fine playing HD, but HD + menus is sluggish

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wagnerrp:

jroysdon: your video card has no effect on speed

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: well, voters are dangerous, they've got opinions and stuff

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wagnerrp:

unless youre using XvMC or VDPAU, its all on the CPU

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gbee:

Maccco: pretty, but far more than I'd be willing to pay for a keyboard, opted for the Logitech S520 in the end

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AndyCap:

so best to keep their prints on file.

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jroysdon:

wagnerrp – cpu is way underwhelmed, at like 60–80% idle and is a dual-core AMD 64-bit 5200+ something-err-other

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jroysdon:

This same system with a better nvidia card had no problems before with SD, but is sluggish at times with even SD

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gbee:

jroysdon: what GPU?

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wagnerrp:

the only other way the video card would be involved is if youre using the opengl painter

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jroysdon:

I don't have remote access at the moment, but I believe it is just a cheaper nvidia onboard, like a 5300?

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jroysdon:

Ok, so what painter should I use?

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wagnerrp:

the other one

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Maccco:

I have to leave now, see you next time!

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jroysdon:

Here are some stats I saved from last weekend: jason.roysdon.net/lshw_20090314all.txt

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jroysdon:

http://jason.roysdon.net/lshw_20090314all.txt

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jroysdon:

GeForce 6150 LE

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wagnerrp:

my 6200 did just fine with HD

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jroysdon:

This is an HP system, and it came with a better GeForce card (but it died), it was like a 7200 or something

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wagnerrp:

then why did they replace it?

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gbee:

1080 or 720?

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jroysdon:

It's over the 2 year warranty mark

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

I'm shocked — it's an HP system with an Asus motherboard? wow..

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jroysdon:

J-E-f-f-A it was from Costco, and it was the only AMD they had at the time (all others were Intel). Shrug, that's what it is. Only thing I've done is take out the non-linux-friendly capture card and add two hauppauge cards

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

jroysdon: I do MPEG2 HD on 6200's just fine... granted, they don't support VDPAU, but work fine for ATSC HD.

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jroysdon:

J-e-f-f-A any problem when onscreen menus pop up?

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jroysdon:

If I pause playback first it is out, but if I don't pause playback, it is very choppy and hard to navigate

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jroysdon:

s/out/ok

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

jroysdon: no – although my bedroom system is a C2D 2200 and my backend is an Athlon 64 x2 4800

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jroysdon:

This is a FE/BE system as well, doing both. I suppose I should watch CPU more, but that'll have to wait for another weekend

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jroysdon:

Oh, and how about non-responsiveness (to pause, etc.)? That'll occur from time to time

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GreyFoxx:

p

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jroysdon:

Not sure why either. Sometimes I can watch a 2 hour movie and it'll still respond near the end. Other times a 30 minute Jeapardy can be a pain

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jroysdon:

(keyboard even takes forever to respond)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

jroysdon: No problems w/my systems... Perhaps you have too many userjobs running, or you're running into disk perfomance issues? I dunno... :-(

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jroysdon:

J-e-f-f-A – no other userjobs going on, but I wonder if it is a disk i/o issue. If it was recording 1–2 shows, then could playback be an issue to? It wasn't ever before with just analog/SD shows

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jroysdon:

(of course, 480x480 is nothing like 1920x10whatever)

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sphery:

jroysdon: Are you using UseEvents? You should be.

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jroysdon:

What is UseEvents? I'm not sure

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sphery:

NVIDIA driver option

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jroysdon:

I wonder if mythcommflag running while a show is recording (so it is flagging a live show) is hurting things too, and if I should have it do it just when the show is done

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sphery:

think that will fix both the non-responsiveness during playback and playback issues if you're not currently using it

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sphery:

jroysdon: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Configuring_HDTV#NVIDIA

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jroysdon:

sphery – where is UseEvents set? In X config file?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: is this the bluetooth hack you were talking about (hacking a Class 2 device from 1.08 miles away) http://trifinite.org/trifinite_stuff_lds.html

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Gozar:

Can I get mythtv atomatic to swith input depending to that channel I select?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Gozar: It already does... Unless perhaps you have the same channel # defined on both sources or something like that...

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Wow... memory with not only heatsinks, but heat pipes too... yikes... http://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggImage/produc . . . 7-289-17.jpg

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Gozar:

J-e-f-f-A|work: It don't switch input here..

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meshe:

what does it do when you switch channels?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Gozar: it works for me, like all my digital over-the-air channels are channel.subchannel – ie 25.1 is digital – and 105 is a different source, it switches automatically for me...

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Gozar:

Trying to tune in to the channel on the frane grapper

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Gozar: So, do you have some channels setup on it?

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Gozar:

Yes

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Gozar: Try manually switching – in Live TV, select "M" to pull up the menu, and use "Switch Input" to change to the frame grabber...

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Gozar:

That works fine, Then I can watch digital tv

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Gozar: And you can switch back to Analog that way too?

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Gozar:

Something telle me I should have set up different video source for the dvb card

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Umm... Ah, yeah, that would do it.

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wagnerrp:

'jennifer jackson, 39, was stabbed to death more than 50 times in her home'

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wagnerrp:

poor girl, most people only get murdered the one time

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justinh:

oo I got £10 Quidco bonus from that laptop I bought :) Better than a slap

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** gbee slaps justinh to test that theory **

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justinh:

yup. I'll take a tenner anytime

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gbee:

interesting, first I'd heard of Quidco

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justinh:

can take some time for cashback to appear, but people I work with swear by it

[18:11:53]

justinh:

always worth looking on there to see if a retailer works through them before buying direct

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justinh:

ffs. http://twitter.com/mythbot

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gbee:

yeah

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gbee:

heh

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iamlindoro_:

HAHAHAHAHA

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meshe:

wow

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iamlindoro_:

"[11:19:35] iamlindoro_: HEhehe, plugin for WinMCE that twitters when something is recorded/not recorded"

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justinh:

wouldn't be rocket science to make a script check mythbackend's log to do that kind of stuff

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iamlindoro_:

"[11:19:41] iamlindoro_: how long until that's on the /dev/null page?"

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justinh:

seems whatever I did to fix my failed recordings (whatever long shot it was that I can't remember) has worked, anyway

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Gozar:

Now when I'm analog I can only browse the analog channeals, and on dvb, I can only browse the digitall channels. Can't I browse the full channel list?

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justinh:

Gozar: not without switching inputs

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justinh:

somebody made a patch to allow cross-input browsing but it's broken now

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justinh:

multirec put a spanner in that one :)

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Gozar:

justinh: Okay thanks

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wagnerrp:

whats the point of putting it on twitter when mythweb already pumps out its own rss feed?

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justinh:

the less you care about livetv, the less point there is in worrying about stuff like that :)

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meshe:

so that all your friends can get your recordings to their sms

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justinh:

wagnerrp: it does? :-O

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iamlindoro_:

yar

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wagnerrp:

well it has one for recordings

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iamlindoro_:

and ical for upcoming, too :)

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wagnerrp:

doesnt seem to be one for the logs though

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justinh:

trunky. bah

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justinh:

ahh. wrong again

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justinh:

or am I?

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justinh:

hrm

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Jachred:

I am following the guide: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Pinnacle_PCTV_HD_Card_(800i) for my Pinnacle card, I am wondering if anyone else might have one and help me get ClearQAM up and running, I can get analog just fine, just not getting any ClearQAM

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: yeah, trunk only AFAIK

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justinh:

the one on the wiki no worky :(

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justinh:

oh noes. Radio 4 is axing Go For It!

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justinh:

though in keeping with current trends maybe it should be knifed instead

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Gozar:

What hardware should I buy to be able to decode dvb encoded mpeg4 streams?

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xand:

argh it's buggered up

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xand:

I select something to record and it appears twice in the upcoming recordings, one conflicting with the other

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jamiem:

iamlindoro: ping

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iamlindoro_:

?

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jamiem:

oh hi

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iamlindoro_:

hi, what's up?

[19:12:33]

jamiem:

I've been reading some of your stuff on gossamer-threads regarding "deadlock detected" in DVB streams

[19:12:47]

iamlindoro_:

ah, good old #2077

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jamiem:

did you get to a solution and/or is there a workaround you can recommend?

[19:13:10]

jamiem:

(without using svn)

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iamlindoro_:

My preferred workaround at this point is Mpeg2cut2, which works really well in WINE

[19:13:24]

jamiem:

I see. I'll look it up

[19:13:26]

iamlindoro_:

http://www.geocities.com/rocketjet4/

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jamiem:

I have a/v sync issuses with avidemux and sometimes mencoder

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iamlindoro_:

I use the latest version

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iamlindoro_:

It's fast and almost always keeps the audio in perfect sync

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jamiem:

iamlindoro_: can you feed it a myth cutlist?

[19:14:30]

iamlindoro_:

it's not as precise as it's GOP-level only, so you might end up with cutpoints within half a second of whee you ant them, but more than good enough given the non-working alternative

[19:14:40]

iamlindoro_:

No, you need to set a cutlist from within

[19:15:02]

iamlindoro_:

I suppose you could write a script to convert myth cutlists to EDL, as I believe it uses bog-standard EDL

[19:15:06]

jamiem:

otay

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jamiem:

I'll look it up. Thanks :)

[19:15:17]

iamlindoro_:

link above is it

[19:15:20]

iamlindoro_:

you are welcome

[19:16:17]

iamlindoro_:

It's a little fragile under WINE, but it works

[19:16:39]

iamlindoro_:

ie don't be trying to use the playback features, only use the skipping/cut start/stop buttons

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: I have made ttvdb.py work with mythvideo->manage data->download metadata. Unfortunately as expected the interface is geared for movies so the episode date is random. After a series selection which works well, the interface only passes series id numbers. That means season and episode numbers are missing.

[19:17:40]

RDV_Linux:

Poster downloads are only at a series level as well.

[19:18:15]

iamlindoro_:

RDV_Linux: See my recent changes to the Episode/Season support from last night

[19:18:23]

iamlindoro_:

It will now parse season and episode from the filename

[19:18:27]

iamlindoro_:

so that info should be waiting there

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iamlindoro_:

so I was thinking about how to handle using it

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RDV_Linux:

I saw the post but have not looked into it.

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JEDIDIAH__:

what kind of changes are you making ial?

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iamlindoro_:

Think the metadata handling will need to be expanded a bit to handle it

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RDV_Linux:

If the interface handed me the video filename ttvdb parses out the season and episode number. That is how I get the series name for the -M option.

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iamlindoro_:

JEDIDIAH__: Support for subtitle/season/episode in mythvideo as separate non-title fields... parsed automatically from the file, and used by a few of my other patches as well now. Adds new text areas for the themer to work with, and a few new sorting/display options

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iamlindoro_:

RDV_Linux: That's fine, Anduin will probably have a plan as to how to handle the final step of passing the seriesID and episode/season to the grabber (as that's not a step required of other grabbers)

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iamlindoro_:

RDV_Linux: for all I know that's all folded into his plans for the new metadata handling

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JEDIDIAH__:

cool

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jamiem:

iamlindoro_: hehe. Clunky! :)

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iamlindoro_:

jamiem: Worky!

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RDV_Linux:

Until that is ready ttvdb has limited value within mythvideo. Right now better suited to overnight updating of your collection or user jobs. Which is what I mainly use it for right now,

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jamiem:

heh

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iamlindoro_:

RDV_Linux: I have given it some thought, so if it looks like metadata handling won't make .22 I will prepare a patch to make it work

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RDV_Linux:

Glad to help if needed.

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iamlindoro_:

RDV_Linux: Wouldn't be too painful, no more than an hour's work AFAICT so no worries

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iamlindoro_:

it'd be a hack, but it would work in the meantime

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justinh:

this might give people ideas: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7949018.stm

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: Until he becomes obsolete like my RS-232 toe

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jamiem:

woohoo lipsync

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iamlindoro_:

RDV_Linux: In short, if the grabber is run with the -D $seriesID and the return is null, and if season and episode are both > 0, then I would rerun -D SeriesID Season Episode as a fallback

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iamlindoro_:

jamiem: works?

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jamiem:

iamlindoro_: so far. so good. Gladly this is just beginning/end cropping so nothing too complicated like ad-removal yet

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jamiem:

OHNO

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jamiem:

spoke too soon

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jamiem:

Clip Boundary Error :(

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** jamiem googles **

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iamlindoro_:

jamiem: just move one gop right or left

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iamlindoro_:

it doesn't like that frame

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RDV_Linux:

That would not work for ttvdb as I have it now, If ttvdb gets only gets a series id it will return all episode data for all seasons. I could easily add an additional switch that indicates Mythtv is calling that would change the behaviour to work as you described.

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jamiem:

ah ok

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iamlindoro_:

RDV_Linux: Set it to return null (or some recognizable string like "Season and Episode required") if it doesn't get season and episode

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RDV_Linux:

Specify it and it will be done!

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iamlindoro_:

RDV_Linux: It may/will all end up changing, but that way I can at least make it work short term

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RDV_Linux:

I would like poster requests to work the same way as I can get season specific posters and automatically fallback to the top rated series poster if a season poster does not exist. That is already in the next release version.

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iamlindoro_:

RDV_Linux: Well, let me see about getting the season/episode support committed first, then I can work up a patch for the TV grabber special cases, even if it's just throwaway code

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iamlindoro_:

alternately, you could set your script to parse the filename for season and episode if it doesn't get them on the command line

[19:39:42]

iamlindoro_:

which you could do and have working right now

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RDV_Linux:

Only the series list (-M) gets the filename which I do parse and get all required info. Poster(-P), fanart(-F) and episode metadata (-D) only get the series id. I would be committing a new version of ttvdb right now if they all got a filename.

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iamlindoro_:

RDV_Linux: Well, I'll see about hacking something together, it shouldn't be a big deal if you can just have the script return a known string if it doesn't get ep/seas

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RDV_Linux:

Tell me what you would like returned and I will make the change tonight. On another topic I heard the download code for posters is changing. I had to hack thetvdb.com URL to get posters to download within mythvideo. That was strange as I use the same URL to download graphics in other scripts.

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iamlindoro_:

RDV_Linux: all the metadata download stuff is changing, but none of it has been so far

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RDV_Linux:

thetvdb.com URLs are actually forwarded to a different web site. mythvideo cannot handle the forwarding.

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iamlindoro_:

Haven't looked at the actual download code much, but Httpcomms in myth allows one to pass a boolean operator to follow redirects so it may be a simple matter to fix

[19:48:36]

iamlindoro_:

but I don't want to go around recreating the wheel when it's all getting torn out

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pbj:

Hey Guys. I've updated (only 2 channels) on my BE – where I have my DVB-S connected to a switch with 2LNB's – after scanning for the channels, I'm reboot ing my machine and sudenly – Not the secondary LNB on each input cards arent working and in the log I got2009-03–17 20:45:08.082 FilterManager, Error: Failed to load filter symbol: '/usr/lib/mythtv/filters/libconvert.so'

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pbj:

/usr/lib/mythtv/filters/libconvert.so: undefined symbol: filter_table

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pbj:

2009-03–17 20:45:08.084 FilterManager, Warning: Failed to load filter library: /usr/lib/mythtv/filters/libconvert.so -> Can some tell me what Got wrong here

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RDV_Linux:

I know so much of this area is in flux. Just have to be patient.

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iamlindoro_:

RDV_Linux: Make the string exactly this, including case: "Season and Episode numbers required."

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iamlindoro_:

RDV_Linux: with the period, without the quotes

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RDV_Linux:

Got it and will do.

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pbj:

Well – search the logfiles and found out that the libconvert.so ain't in use anymore – How come I cannot change on one of the LNB's but fine on the other – eventhough they're connected to the same switch

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: If you are think of a patch will the same message get "season and episode numbers" for Posters as well as episode metadata? I would like to have season specific Posters. I have ttvdb getting season posters but gets the top rated series poster if a season poster does not exist.

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro_: Here's an example of an improved bigclock font, but unfortunately it requires a patched lcdproc as they don't seem to let you set the custom characters yourself... http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/lcd/bigclock_font/

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iamlindoro_:

RDV_Linux: I'll throw something together for metadata first, and if it works then yes, I will apply it to all spots-- so feel free to incorporate that string across the board

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A|work: Saw that the other day, looking good

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RDV_Linux:

Just metadata, Poasters and Banners have season level info. Fanart is only series specific.

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro_: I'm really seriously considering writing an LCD driver that doesn't require lcdproc... and making it a configuration entry for "LCD Driver:" "lcdproc" or "Myth_HD44780"... etc... would be much more flexible...

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iamlindoro_:

RDV_Linux: We'll figure it out, let's just see if it works for metadata only first

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RDV_Linux:

np

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iamlindoro_:

RDV_Linux: And it may be a few days before I get anything done, but if you post the updated scrip on the ticket tonight I will use that to play around with

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro_: The two reasons I'm considering it is 1) Full control of custom characters, and 2) Much more flexibility in what can be displayed — think real-time spectrum analyzer or vu meters, etc...

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RDV_Linux:

np

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A|work: Yeah, that'd be really cool

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro_: I'd probably be opening a hornet's nest though... ie... After creating a 'native' driver for HD44780 displays, then getting requests to create drivers for all the other LCDs... DOH! ;-)

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A|work: Ah, but then you'd learn my personal development philosophy... suck it bitch, do it yourself. ;)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro_: ROTFL!!!!

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Like the tickets... "No patch submitted -> CLOSED!" ;-)

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justinh:

blimey. Charlie Brooker's Newswipe. And he's got a show starting on Channel Four soon

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gbee:

Newswipe?

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justinh:

like Screenwipe but about news

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gbee:

eek, would have missed that were it not for the mention, thanks!

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justinh:

starts 25th March

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gbee:

Programme Finder to the rescue, already scheduled

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gbee:

catching the repeat on Sun

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justinh:

what repeat on Sunday?

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gbee:

29th

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gbee:

showings on Wed/Thu conflict atm

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gbee:

might change once I've listing into the first week of April

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justinh:

haven't got it listed on the 29th here

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gbee:

BBC Four, 23:15

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justinh:

actually, haven't got much on the 29th at all

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justinh:

weird. what time do you run your grabber gbee?

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justinh:

ah what the heck. 4am is ok, less likely to run into mad loads.. 13 days is enough anyway

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justinh:

btw thank twitter for the tip on Charlie Brooker :P

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gbee:

no idea what time it runs, I don't schedule a particular timeframe

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gbee:

could search the logs, but I can't be bothered

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justinh:

fair nuff

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gbee:

2009-03–17 08:58:23.789 mythfilldatabase: Listings Download Finished

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gbee:

now don't say I never do anything for you :p

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justinh:

cheers. might try & bump mine to later in the day then

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justinh:

bloody hell. Robert Llewellyn has been making a videocast thingy where he talks to luminaries in his car while they cadge a lift. Could be interesting. One for the webby streamy app

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k-man:

hows the port of the UI to mythlibui going?

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justinh:

so that's erm... maybe 4 video feed thingies worth watching out there now

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iamlindoro_:

RDV_Linux: Have a little patch worked up to pass Season and Episode to the grabber if Season or Episode > 0, no need for the output string

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iamlindoro_:

RDV_Linux: Any way I choose to do this now will not be optimal, but should be possible to at least make it work in the short term

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iamlindoro_:

RDV_Linux: But as long as you have patched your script to take the numerical seriesID, this will work fine

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iamlindoro_:

RDV_Linux: Will post it as an optional patch on my Season/Episode ticket

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iamlindoro_:

RDV_Linux: Since there's no downloader for banner yet, you want it to pass Season/Episode to Metadata and Cover, right?

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RDV_Linux:

Ok, currently was testing with the "Season and Episode numbers required." string. Life is like that:)

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iamlindoro_:

Sorry about that, just found a more expiditious way to do it

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iamlindoro_:

Not that the error message is a bad thing

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iamlindoro_:

it should still be there if only to give diagnostic info

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RDV_Linux:

I agree and I alreay put the string in for Poster and Banner if I do not get a season number.

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iamlindoro_:

Since th series metadata isn't useful to us right now

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RDV_Linux:

Yes pass season and episode numbers to metadata and poster.

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iamlindoro_:

RDV_Linux: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6346#comment:5

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iamlindoro_:

Requires the "mother" patch for Season and Episode support, then the small optional one for grabber support. Once you set season and episode on an item, it should pass to the grabber (once you have a version that takes the numerical series ID)

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iamlindoro_:

RDV_Linux: Tough for me to test without a version of the script that takes that ID, though-- only "theoretically" works

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iamlindoro_:

RDV_Linux: I also see another little issue in that the grabber needs to return title (show name) and subtitle (episode name) to work with my patch

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iamlindoro_:

RDV_Linux: Any objection to that? Should be a small tweak

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iamlindoro_:

I'm going home, feel free to leave messages

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RDV_Linux:

For -D in my unreleased version I already include in the meta data series name (Series:) and episode name (Title:). You would have to parse the meta data string but it is all there.

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RDV_Linux:

Those were colleens. not smileys

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justinh:

wheee

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** justinh chuckles. Gentoo on an epia box **

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justinh:

that'd make for one hell of a Guinness advert

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justinh:

good things.... 3 or 4 day pause

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justinh:

... come to those who wait

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tanderson:

justinh: it's called binpkgs and cross-compiling :)

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justinh:

no, somebody was talking about doing it exclusively on the one box

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justinh:

fun on a stick (tm)

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tanderson:

that's the stupid way to do it o_O

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, Its behavior needs to match the other scripts, though-- It will currently parse "title:", but not Series... so for it to work with my patch, Series->Title and Title->Subtitle

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, ie Mythvideo relies on the field names to be recognized-- it currently knows "Title" but as your script and my patch more or less must work together, the above chenages would need to be made

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iamlindoro:

changes, that is

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Jachred:

Can anyone help me scan for my Clear QAM channels. I followed almost any guide i could find, i can find encrypted channels, just not the un-encryped ones. Works fine under windows, so i know i have 4 clear stations to try and get.

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gbee:

ffs, I submit a beautiful SVG copy of the Quest logo to Lyngsat and instead they use one cropped from a screenshot of the website by some lazy git

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** gbee tries again **

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gbee:

the one they used instead isn't even the correct (and requested) aspect ratio

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: Made the "Series->Title and Title->Subtitle" changes, but as Murphy watches over me I had just submitted my file attachment when I saw your message. So there is now two new versions submitted. Here is the correct version (http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/ . . . .8.9.tar.gz)

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, no problem, will get back to you

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, need to fix broken interface bits with your script, so hang in there

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iamlindoro:

(my fault, those)

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RDV_Linux:

Please see(http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6242#comment:5) for all the changes.

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, Will likely throw together a patch that allows the TV and Movie grabbers to coexist in the short term (runs movie grabber on the stuff with episode and season unassigned, TV grabber on the other stuff)

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iamlindoro:

but that will take me a bit of time

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gbee:

new nvidia driver? suprised no-one mention it? 185.13

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iamlindoro:

gbee, They did, a few days ago IIRC

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sphery:

gbee: I finally found out why the ATI Catalyst driver installer assumes a multilib system... The driver /only/ works on a multilib system (i.e. /must/ have 32-bit libs installed no matter what).

[23:01:40]

sphery:

Thanks to ArchLinux complaining publically and dropping support for Catalyst, AMD finally did as they requested and put a notice on the driver page saying so.

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RDV_Linux:

I recommend the following calls for ttvdb (/where ever/ttvdb.py -mD). The "m" makes ttvdb send the message if it did not receive the season and episode numbers. For posters use (/where ever/ttvdb.py -mP). I am in no panic, I will be watching some recording so may be slow at getting back if you message me.

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, Will likely have enough to go on for a bit

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RDV_Linux:

np

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RDV_Linux:

One more use (/where ever/ttvdb.py -tF) for fan art as that will get you the top rated fan art for a series. Rated by users of thetvdb.com

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gbee:

iamlindoro: heh, guess I don't pay nearly as much attention

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Gozar:

What dvb card I buy to be able to decode dvb encoded mpeg4 streams?

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iamlindoro:

gbee, I just tend to pop over to phoronix once a day or so :)

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sphery:

slug: mythbuntu ( http://mythbuntu.org/ ) and mythdora ( http://swik.net/MythDora ) and knoppmyth ( http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html ) are popular

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** sphery wonders if http://mythdora.com/ is related to what we think of as mythdora (no response, now, but shows up first in Google) **

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, quick way to clear the tvdb cache?

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, or prevent using it altogether?

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, Am getting show name not found for a show it definitely found before, hmmm

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RDV_Linux:

The cache can be cleared by deleting any tv_api directory found in /tmp

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RDV_Linux:

You may need to be root to delete those directories.

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, Something funny going on for sure

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iamlindoro:

hang on, ahve a pastebin for you

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iamlindoro:

HA, got it

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iamlindoro:

okay, need to fix fanart and poster querying and then I'll work on a quick UI to set the TV grabber and post a new patch

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RDV_Linux:

Always try from the command line as it is more difficult to debug within mythvideo

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iamlindoro:

couple weird things, though

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iamlindoro:

if the title is "Castle 1x02 – Nanny McDead", it's not going to work... had to change the title to "castle" to have it find the series

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iamlindoro:

That said, nice work, the basics are definitely there :)

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rushfan:

Hello. I have an issue with channel. VH1-Classic is on channel 77 for me. But MythTV thinks that VH1-Classic is channel 75. If I record on VH1-Classic, it records on chan 75, aka MTV2.

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rushfan:

If I set it to channel 77 (Which it thinks is WBGH – Channel 2), it seems to go by call sign and record on channel 2 not channel 7

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RDV_Linux:

Use the new tvdb-example.conf file. If you use that it will slef correct for Castle and a number of other series. Please check out the configuration file!

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Dagmar:

So where'd you get your lineup data from?

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, It may well be fine now, I had some legacy file issues

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, and I'm too busy coding up UI for your script, dude. ;)

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rushfan:

Dagmar: Schedules Direct

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Dagmar:

rushfan: So login to SchedulesDirect and make sure it's correct there

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Dagmar:

If it *is* then all you have to do is nuke the lineups locally and reget the schedule and channel data

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Dagmar:

If it's NOT correct at SD, submit a bug report to them

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rushfan:

Dagmar: ok

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Dagmar:

You may or may not need to dump and re-add recording schedules for channels that changed tho

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Dagmar:

Either way, if SD is correct, nuking and re-pulling will sort it

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RDV_Linux:

There are a number of Schedule Direct show names that need special treatment. That is one of the reasons I made the configuration file. The issue is not Schedule Direct but the name if series in thetvdb.com wiki

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rushfan:

Dagmar: ahh, SD has it wrong

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rushfan:

Dagmar: Ill report it. thanks

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RDV_Linux:

Dagmar: What is the difference between "Life on Mars" and "Life on Mars (US)". Schedule direct uses "Life on Mars" for the US version.

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Dagmar:

No problem

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, sucky

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iamlindoro:

(but not at all your fault)

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RDV_Linux:

:)

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, have automatic selection for TV/Movie working for Search/Meta/Poster/Fanart, but will need a little bit to code up the setting dialog for them... sometime this evening most likely, if you want to play. Nice work

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: thetvdb.com title for the new TV series is Castle is "Castle (2009)". JFYI

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, yes, reducing it to Castle got me the chooser for it

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, might be worth shipping with a .conf that catches the geek favorites (eg Battlestar Galactica = Battlestar Galactica (2003))

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RDV_Linux:

Had included all I could record but that is a good one to add.

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, the series not found this is nasty, though, that really needs to get fixed

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iamlindoro:

er thing is

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, http://rafb.net/p/ZN02fa97.html

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iamlindoro:

Not quite sure what the deal is there

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RDV_Linux:

I suspect you mean the message from tvdb_api I can catch all of those. What would you like in it place? I think the message is issued and then a return code of False. I just tried from the command line the "-D 83462 1 2" and it worked for me. I need to check further.

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, just the series not found when it clearly just returned it itself

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iamlindoro:

image downloads are also not working here

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iamlindoro:

giving me a host not found

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iamlindoro:

I presume because of the nyud.net bit

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iamlindoro:

removing the cache part of the address, it comes up in a browser

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iamlindoro:

Are you sure that replace is right?

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RDV_Linux:

Getting confused see my successes (http://rafb.net/p/rSqE9n95.html)

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iamlindoro:

yes, it returns a similar URL, but myth reports host not found on it

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iamlindoro:

might be a timeout issue, tough to tell

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RDV_Linux:

As for the URL I suspect that it may be a regional redirect. I only changed the URL's today because mythvideo download could not handle the redirection. Probable I should change it back. I will send you a link to what the URL's used to look like in a second.

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