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| [00:01:27] | antiPosix: | xris: Is the new website built ontop of a CMS that is available? |
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| [00:04:42] | kormoc: | Custom built framework |
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| [00:07:31] | antiPosix: | it looks really nice |
| [00:07:43] | antiPosix: | wasn sure if it was built on a CMS or not |
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| [00:07:57] | SQlvpapir: | http://pastebin.com/m2ba42c51 make error.. any hints on dependencies? installed these packages already.. libqt4-dev libfreetype6-dev libmp3lame-dev pkg-config |
| [00:09:19] | antiPosix: | you need the shared object libXinerama.so |
| [00:09:37] | antiPosix: | SQlvpapir: what distro? |
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| [00:10:04] | SQlvpapir: | debian.. gonne find the appropriate dev package.. thanks |
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| [00:10:44] | ** high-rez gives 185.13 a go ** | |
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| [00:11:34] | Mr_Grieves|: | Hi all — the last couple days mysql has started using 70–90% of my cpu while myth is running. |
| [00:11:47] | Mr_Grieves|: | Any ideas what I can check to see what the issue is? |
| [00:12:21] | Mr_Grieves|: | The files in /var/run/mysql also have been getting so large that they fill up my disk and I have to clean them out manually. |
| [00:13:13] | SQlvpapir: | antiPosix: I installed ibxinerama-dev but no difference |
| [00:13:13] | antiPosix: | what is the contents of those files |
| [00:13:15] | high-rez: | Mr_Grieves: Try executing "rester master" in mysql... |
| [00:13:29] | antiPosix: | SQlvpapir: pastebin the error this time |
| [00:13:45] | antiPosix: | high-rez: what does rester master do? |
| [00:13:54] | JEDIDIAH__: | chchchanges... |
| [00:14:05] | JEDIDIAH__: | /var/log/mysql |
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| [00:14:28] | high-rez: | antiPosix: delete the mysql binary log |
| [00:14:45] | antiPosix: | high-rez: thanks for the info |
| [00:14:45] | high-rez: | (i think it's a rollback log) |
| [00:14:58] | SQlvpapir: | antiPosix: think I found appropriate package.. brb |
| [00:15:05] | hads: | Turn binary logging off |
| [00:15:10] | JEDIDIAH__: | they are especially meaningless after a backup. |
| [00:15:10] | antiPosix: | SQlvpapir: great news! |
| [00:15:36] | JEDIDIAH__: | backup daily, delete the bin logs that are older than that. |
| [00:15:51] | Mr_Grieves|: | high-rez: rester master gives a syntax error |
| [00:16:01] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...or just turn them off entirely. It's only TV. |
| [00:16:11] | JEDIDIAH__: | '-) |
| [00:16:26] | Mr_Grieves|: | JEDIDIAH__: :D Is taht what the /var/run/mysql/*.bin files are? Just logs? |
| [00:16:36] | kormoc: | high-rez, it's not a rollback, it's a replay log |
| [00:16:58] | kormoc: | Aye, binary logs |
| [00:16:59] | high-rez: | kormoc: Thanks for the clarification (i'm mysql stupid) |
| [00:17:18] | Mr_Grieves|: | I backup the db nightly, I'll look at /etc/mysql* to find how to shut the logs off. |
| [00:17:27] | hads: | binlog or somesuch |
| [00:17:46] | kormoc: | high-rez, so you can restore from a backup, replay the binary logs and be back up to exactly where you were. They're also used in replication and auditing |
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| [00:18:43] | Mr_Grieves|: | :/ There's a log-bin line, but it's not set to anything. Hope zero makes my point :) |
| [00:18:52] | kormoc: | just comment it out |
| [00:19:02] | Mr_Grieves|: | Ah. |
| [00:19:03] | kormoc: | if it's not commented out, binary logs are enabled |
| [00:19:29] | high-rez: | Welp, I don't see any difference between 185.13 and 180.37 – which is good I guess. Maybe this release won't lock up mu machine playing corrupt atsc streams :) |
| [00:20:48] | Mr_Grieves|: | Ok. I restarted mysql and usage is still high, but the db is being refilled. Let's see if it settles in a minute... |
| [00:21:04] | SQlvpapir: | antiPosix: hmm ia32-libs-dev seems to already be installed.. I already have libXinerama.so in /emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib .. guess I should give configure a few options ;) |
| [00:21:32] | Mooooooo: | hey all. i have commercial flagged turned off but mythcommflag still keeps starting up and using all CPU. is there some other way to make sure it never runs? |
| [00:21:55] | high-rez: | rename mythcommflag – that'll do the trick for sure. :) |
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| [00:22:46] | Mooooooo: | hehe, that simple? |
| [00:23:33] | high-rez: | i'm sure there's a better way to do it (maybe it already have flag jobs queued?) |
| [00:24:00] | Mooooooo: | will take a look. still getting used to the menu structure |
| [00:24:53] | high-rez: | my slave backend does most of the commercial flagging so it never bothers me ;) |
| [00:25:05] | Mr_Grieves|: | Welp, mythfilldb ended, and mysql usage dropped of to a reasonable level with log-bin disabled. Thanks for the help, guys :) |
| [00:26:09] | JEDIDIAH__: | interesting. |
| [00:26:28] | JEDIDIAH__: | other rdbms engines don't get nearly that kind of bang out of turning logging off. |
| [00:27:28] | Mr_Grieves|: | JEDIDIAH__: I'm definitely surprised. I came home from vacation to find ~30GB of logs maxing out my hdd. |
| [00:27:57] | JEDIDIAH__: | log management is always a PITA and point of failure in any RDBMS |
| [00:29:55] | termlink: | would the 1/4 stereo jack audio input on the tv tuner card be the /dev/dsp(X) device? |
| [00:29:56] | clever: | i usualy find that binary logs cripple the system with overflows after a fresh install |
| [00:30:04] | clever: | i keep forgeting to turn the damn things off |
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| [00:35:37] | Dagmar: | termlink: It doesn't really matter since we don't use those things, we use ALSA names. |
| [00:36:22] | termlink: | Dagmar: well just when you setup the video capture card it asks for the audio dsp thing, just want to make sure its pulling up the right thing |
| [00:36:41] | Dagmar: | The wiki tells you everything you should need to know for that, man |
| [00:37:01] | Dagmar: | Hint: If you're trying to _guess_ your way through this, you will fail |
| [00:37:09] | Dagmar: | Consult the wiki now before you have to do everything twice. |
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| [00:38:19] | termlink: | its section on setting up capture card is 2 paragraphs and doesn't say anything about it |
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| [00:39:44] | termlink: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:MythTV . . . apture_Cards |
| [00:40:12] | Dagmar: | Man it's a shame that's the only page on the whole wiki |
| [00:40:56] | Mooooooo: | looks like the jobs already in the schedule had flagging on. all fixed. thanks for the help :) |
| [00:43:57] | termlink: | section 4, has nothing either |
| [00:46:02] | antiPosix: | termlink: what card? |
| [00:46:39] | termlink: | antiPosix: philips saa7130 |
| [00:46:58] | antiPosix: | oh nevermind, you where just stating the lack of wiki |
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| [00:47:41] | antiPosix: | the /dev/dsp should be your aoundcard |
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| [00:48:28] | termlink: | antiPosix: which would be the 1/4th audio input stereo jack for a tv tuner card then? |
| [00:48:52] | JEDIDIAH__: | wiki -> magic conch ? |
| [00:49:09] | termlink: | those are the 3 options it probs in the capture card setup |
| [00:49:18] | termlink: | dsp0, dsp1, dsp2 |
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| [00:52:40] | Mr_Grieves|: | Hrm, it's actually shot back up after a reboot. |
| [00:53:15] | Mr_Grieves|: | I'm myisamchk'ing all the MYI's in mythconverg with -r. |
| [00:53:51] | Mr_Grieves|: | Odd thing is, it fixes the indicies *again* if I run the command more than once :/ |
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| [00:55:26] | Mr_Grieves|: | I stopped mysqld before repairing the tables...maybe I should leave it running? |
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| [00:57:57] | Mr_Grieves|: | Still high cpu usage after repairing the tables. |
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| [01:01:09] | kormoc: | so perhaps the repair fails? |
| [01:01:12] | kormoc: | check the logs? |
| [01:03:31] | JEDIDIAH__: | who's the guy with a case that has a jillion fans? |
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| [01:07:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | JEDIDIAH__: I don't have a jillion, but have 3x120mm and 2x80mm (on the hdd hotswap cages), plus the 120mm on the power supply... |
| [01:07:27] | Mr_Grieves|: | kormoc: no error in the mysql or myth logs. |
| [01:07:49] | Mr_Grieves|: | mysql is using 90% at the moment with the computer idle. Strange. |
| [01:08:12] | JEDIDIAH__: | I tried a "better" CPU fan but didn't get very far with it. I put in a couple of extra case fans and got much better results. |
| [01:08:22] | kormoc: | log in and run 'SHOW FULL PROCESSLIST\G' |
| [01:08:40] | JEDIDIAH__: | my quad idles at 30C rather than 48C |
| [01:08:57] | JEDIDIAH__: | my 8400gs is running 10C cooler too. |
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| [01:12:13] | Mr_Grieves|: | kormoc: http://pastebin.com/m73bd527b |
| [01:12:50] | kormoc: | Mr_Grieves|, so something is updating your media lib |
| [01:12:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | JEDIDIAH__: My Athlon 64 X2 4800+ is running at 52c now... but it's under use... ;-) |
| [01:13:49] | Mr_Grieves|: | kormoc: hrm, that's something that I would know nothing about. What might do this? |
| [01:13:55] | kormoc: | no idea |
| [01:13:56] | SuperTimmy: | Hello all. If I am going to get a MythTV front end and seperate backend server. I want to get an Nvidia 9500 for the h264 decoding but should it be in the front or back end box? |
| [01:14:53] | Mr_Grieves|: | Stopping the backend does drop mysql's usage to nil, I'm just not sure why its hogging it in the first place. |
| [01:15:09] | kormoc: | given you decode to play it, the frontend does the heavy lifting |
| [01:15:14] | JEDIDIAH__: | When I loaded up all 4 cores earlier (right after putting the new fans in) I was running at 56C |
| [01:15:23] | JEDIDIAH__: | I was peaking at 68C before |
| [01:15:30] | Mr_Grieves|: | upnpmedia — is that the recording metadata? |
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| [01:15:55] | SuperTimmy: | so the front end does the decoding, how does the backend encode tv streams? |
| [01:15:59] | JEDIDIAH__: | my fancy fan shaped copper heat sync with the lighted fan wasn't helping so much. |
| [01:16:06] | kormoc: | well, it's the data the upnp server sends out, recordings and other things I believe |
| [01:16:18] | kormoc: | SuperTimmy, that depends on the capture method |
| [01:16:51] | JEDIDIAH__: | if intel fans weren't such a pain to deal with, I would have yanked it right back out. |
| [01:18:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | Mr_Grieves|: The upnp search is peformed every 15 mins iirc... searches your video storage directories. If you're not using upnp, then start the backend with --noupnp <- that should stop it... |
| [01:18:44] | Mr_Grieves|: | J-e-f-f-A: I'll give that a shot. |
| [01:19:41] | SuperTimmy: | +kormoc: is there a link somewhere that describes different capture methods? |
| [01:19:55] | kormoc: | not overly, it more depends on your source |
| [01:20:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | Mr_Grieves|: Do you ever optimize your database? I run optimize_mythdb.pl every day... |
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| [01:22:46] | Mr_Grieves|: | J-e-f-f-A: I've never even heard of that :) |
| [01:22:58] | SuperTimmy: | pci-express dvico dual card of somekind or similar. what then? |
| [01:23:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | Mr_Grieves|: It's in the contrib directory – you may have to download it. ;-) |
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| [01:24:57] | Mr_Grieves|: | J-e-f-f-A: I'll take a look at it. The noupnp option seems to have fixed the mysql CPU usage issue. Thanks :) |
| [01:25:09] | Mr_Grieves|: | Without upnp, can I still connect a remote frontend? |
| [01:25:21] | LanUser: | SuperTimmy: you'd want a nice video card for use with the frontend, but you do realize you can run the frontend and backend on the same pc right? |
| [01:27:31] | wagnerrp: | Mr_Grieves|: UPNP only exists to automate the setup of a frontend |
| [01:27:51] | wagnerrp: | once you generate your database login file, upnp is never used again |
| [01:27:52] | SuperTimmy: | LanUser: I realise that I can but want a silent front end box. I thought I would need a pretty decent box to do the backend stuff so I would put that in another room. |
| [01:29:03] | wagnerrp: | SuperTimmy: the heavy processing work is typically done during playback on the frontend |
| [01:29:14] | Mr_Grieves|: | Ah — ok :) |
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| [01:29:28] | wagnerrp: | unless you want to do a lot of transcoding, or have old analog framegrabber cards, all the backend will have to do is commflagging |
| [01:29:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... unless you use UPnP media players... ;-) But they're [currently] boring! |
| [01:30:02] | wagnerrp: | ... of course that doesnt make a stack of hard drives any less noisy |
| [01:30:37] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: plus, that form of upnp is completely independent of the automated setup of mythfrontend |
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| [01:31:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: So is the frontend upnp stuff still active with the --noupnp flag? |
| [01:31:32] | wagnerrp: | AFAIK, yes |
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| [01:32:08] | Mr_Grieves|: | Wow. I just ran the find_orphans and optimize_mythdb, and myth is noticably more responsive :) |
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| [01:32:32] | Mr_Grieves|: | (May also be that mysql isn't hogging everything!) |
| [01:33:12] | SuperTimmy: | i was planning on doing transocding on the backend box, which is why I thought it would need to be fairly good. |
| [01:33:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | Mr_Grieves|: Glad to hear it. ;-) I'd put the optimize in a cron job to run daily... |
| [01:33:47] | Mr_Grieves|: | Good idea :) |
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| [01:36:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | Mr_Grieves|: I'd place bets on the optimize being responsible for most of that... but if you've got a huge video collection, the upnp stuff would contribute too. ;-) |
| [01:37:24] | Mr_Grieves|: | It is a rather big video collection. I noticed a slow down with the Qt4 switch and always just chalked it up to that. |
| [01:38:57] | Omnigeek: | is there some kind of special trick to using multiple tuners in new versions of mythtv. it doesnt seem to want to use my second recorder. |
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| [01:52:39] | wagnerrp: | Omnigeek: it *wont* use your second recorder? or it just doesnt need one because you havent recorded two things at once |
| [01:53:26] | Omnigeek: | just always conflicts. Looking at user manual and I think the way it is done has changed from earlier versions. I will have a look and come back if it still isnt working. |
| [01:54:00] | sphery: | Omnigeek: likely need to do http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 |
| [01:54:13] | sphery: | possibly both the capture card and video source portions |
| [01:56:06] | Omnigeek: | thats it sphery, thats what I was reading in user guide. thanks. |
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| [02:20:13] | thread: | so i just got a digital tv card (hd-5500)... to make this as simple as possible, i've removed my pvr-250 from my capture cards in setup |
| [02:20:48] | thread: | i've scanned "Cable IRC" and "Cable IRC High" both (my cable guy tells me I'm "IRC") |
| [02:21:04] | thread: | and ran mythfilldatabase (I have a schedulesdirect subscription) |
| [02:21:46] | wagnerrp: | did you define the xmlids in the channel editor? |
| [02:21:53] | thread: | ... and a bunch of the channels have info filled out in the guide, but even more do not — they simply say "Unknown (Unknown)" forever |
| [02:22:03] | thread: | um... no |
| [02:22:17] | wagnerrp: | well... then do so |
| [02:22:32] | wagnerrp: | if you ever do a scan, you must make sure the xmlids are defined |
| [02:22:43] | wagnerrp: | some may match up with the SD data, most will not |
| [02:22:51] | wagnerrp: | and those have to be defined manually |
| [02:23:02] | wagnerrp: | either through the channel editor in mythtv-setup, or the one in mythweb |
| [02:23:13] | thread: | wow... so how do i know how they match up? |
| [02:23:15] | wagnerrp: | you can get the xmlid by mousing over the channel on the schedulesdirect page |
| [02:23:55] | wagnerrp: | if you dont know what the channel is, you can either see if the channel and program id are listed in your area's lineup on the silicondust site |
| [02:24:05] | wagnerrp: | or you can just watch a few minutes of it, and see what channel it is |
| [02:24:33] | thread: | but i can't preview the channel without quitting mythtv-setup, starting the backend, and starting mythfrontend |
| [02:24:36] | thread: | right? |
| [02:24:46] | wagnerrp: | you could do that |
| [02:25:01] | wagnerrp: | you could also use some other program like mplayer |
| [02:25:18] | thread: | ah |
| [02:25:29] | wagnerrp: | you can open up a instance of mythtv-setup while the backend is running |
| [02:25:54] | thread: | how do the channels get _named_ ? |
| [02:26:03] | thread: | does that happen from the schedulesdirect feed? |
| [02:26:17] | thread: | they're called things like UNKNOWN117#13 |
| [02:26:38] | Dagmar: | You *can*, but I wouldn't. |
| [02:26:38] | wagnerrp: | once you define the xmlid, the SD feed might name them... i dont remember |
| [02:26:54] | Dagmar: | You'll need to restart the backend after most things you'd change in mythtv-setup, so you might as well do it |
| [02:27:18] | wagnerrp: | well to access the channel editor, it wont harm anything |
| [02:27:27] | wagnerrp: | you would just have to restart the backend before any changes take effect |
| [02:27:53] | thread: | how about once I add my analog tuner back in... is the idea that some "channels" are for one card, and some are for the other? |
| [02:28:05] | thread: | ... can I use the same Video Source for both? |
| [02:28:05] | wagnerrp: | channels and cards to not mix |
| [02:28:10] | wagnerrp: | channels are bound to a video source |
| [02:28:21] | wagnerrp: | you should currently have two video sources |
| [02:28:26] | wagnerrp: | one for analog, and one for digital |
| [02:28:29] | thread: | do I need a schedulesdirect for one card, and schedulesdirect2 for the other? |
| [02:28:30] | wagnerrp: | you should not mix them |
| [02:28:33] | thread: | right, okay |
| [02:28:46] | wagnerrp: | your schedulesdirect account is good for up to four lineups |
| [02:28:56] | thread: | is the digital a separate lineup? |
| [02:29:00] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [02:29:04] | thread: | ah! |
| [02:29:46] | thread: | i was definitely missing that part ! |
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| [02:29:51] | thread: | got the digital lineup added now |
| [02:29:53] | thread: | this should help... |
| [02:30:31] | thread: | wagnerrp: thank you so much.. you've been more helpful in 5 minutes than i've been to myself for the last some number of hours |
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| [02:40:33] | thread: | so this is a little silly... i've stumbed upon a non-channel i guess... mythtv bombs out of live tv saying "Error was encountered while displaying video." |
| [02:40:43] | thread: | only thing to do is hit a button "Return to Menu" |
| [02:41:00] | thread: | when i go back to live tv, i'm on that same channel, and i'm unable to get to a working channel before it bombs out the same way |
| [02:41:02] | wagnerrp: | VOD channels are often broadcast as unencrypted streams |
| [02:41:03] | thread: | heh |
| [02:41:23] | wagnerrp: | when theyre not in use, theyre just an empty stream descriptor |
| [02:41:32] | wagnerrp: | mythtv picks them up, and then fails when trying to watch |
| [02:41:35] | thread: | oic |
| [02:41:37] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, I am working on some changes to programinfo, and have changed the NUMPROGRAMLINES value... I've made the change int the mythbackend.php file, but that seems not to be enough any more (comments in the code indicated that should do it). Are there any other places that come to mind that I need to change? |
| [02:41:39] | wagnerrp: | occasionally you can pick one up in use |
| [02:41:43] | Dagmar: | Yeah because there's nothing like PPV porno going out to random channesl where little kids can find it |
| [02:42:00] | thread: | VOD isn't even encrypted? |
| [02:42:11] | Dagmar: | It *some* places it isn't. |
| [02:42:16] | thread: | hm |
| [02:42:18] | Dagmar: | ...because no angry parents have called in yet. |
| [02:42:38] | thread: | so last time, the only way i could solve this was to break out mythtv-setup and set the "starting channel" |
| [02:42:56] | thread: | ..which is pretty weak |
| [02:43:00] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, d'oh, never mind, I got it :) |
| [02:43:04] | wagnerrp: | thread: pretty much |
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| [02:43:17] | wagnerrp: | but youre supposed to delete those channels, so you dont have that problem |
| [02:43:25] | thread: | is there any easy way to do that? |
| [02:43:32] | wagnerrp: | channel editor |
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| [03:09:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | oh *bleep*... |
| [03:11:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | I think I just made a big boo-boo... dropped the DB on my trunk backend, and ran mythtv-setup, and it apparently connected to my 0.21-fixes backend, and I didn't notice.... crap... |
| [03:13:05] | iamlindoro: | Since there should have been many schema changes, your default SG dir should have your DB backup in it |
| [03:13:14] | iamlindoro: | ie the automated one |
| [03:13:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: I hope so... Looking now... |
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| [03:15:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: What's the filename syntax for the db backup? |
| [03:15:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | er... standard... |
| [03:16:25] | iamlindoro: | mythconverg-1232–20090223215115.sql.gz |
| [03:16:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | thanks... |
| [03:16:36] | iamlindoro: | db name, schema #, date |
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| [03:18:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | ugh... not good – no backups in my storage group dirs... ugh! |
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| [03:19:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | fudge... humm... Well... it applied 1215, 1216 and was working on 1217 when i broke out of it... wonder how drastic the differences are, and if I can reverse them fairly easily... |
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| [03:20:44] | ** J-e-f-f-A digs into it... ** | |
| [03:22:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | !trout J-e-f-f-A "You Dummy!" |
| [03:22:06] | ** MythLogBot slaps J-e-f-f-A with a "You Dummy!" trout on behalf of J-e-f-f-A... ** | |
| [03:22:16] | iamlindoro: | I've caused schema updates before... but I think I get to cause my first protocol change soon :) |
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| [03:29:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Ugh.. this isn't going to be pretty, is it... |
| [03:30:26] | iamlindoro: | depends on what those were... if it got even a *little* bit into the UTF 8 stuff... you are in trouble |
| [03:31:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Yeah... I'm trying to determine what 1215, 1216 and 1217 were... coming up empty looking at the commits and lists... umm... |
| [03:31:57] | iamlindoro: | libs/libmythtv/dbcheck.cpp |
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| [03:32:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: thanks... |
| [03:32:39] | iamlindoro: | in short, you're in trouble |
| [03:32:50] | iamlindoro: | 1216 was the UTF8 stuff |
| [03:33:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Yeah, I seem to have been gleaning that from the few hits I did get... Ugh... Humph, I guess I'll have to go 'bleeding edge' a little sooner then... DOH! |
| [03:33:59] | iamlindoro: | *no* DB backups that are sort of recent? |
| [03:34:27] | mzb_d800: | Hi J-e-f-f-A. Was it you that was talking to me about themes for mythlcd ? |
| [03:34:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Nope... friggin newest one is 2008-04–19... DOH! |
| [03:34:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: Yeah... |
| [03:35:17] | mzb_d800: | ah good. I've got my 20x4 in and working, and a few ideas to go with it. |
| [03:35:20] | mzb_d800: | http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/mythtv/LCD/ |
| [03:36:33] | mzb_d800: | I've also got some 16x2's to go onto "normal" machines, but they'll have to wait for enthusiasm to reach critical mass ;) |
| [03:37:03] | mzb_d800: | Is there any particular place I should start? |
| [03:37:34] | mzb_d800: | eg: I'd like a BIG CLOCK! (3 or 4 lines) |
| [03:37:45] | mzb_d800: | also want caller ID ;)) |
| [03:38:35] | mzb_d800: | ps: very considerate of the LCD manufacturer to colour match with mythcentre theme ;) |
| [03:39:11] | iamlindoro: | Whoever invented the Blue LED and the Blue LCD backlight should be prosecuted for crimes against humanity |
| [03:39:26] | mzb_d800: | :) |
| [03:39:47] | clever: | mzb_d800: http://www.stevechamberlin.com/cpu/2009/03/01/final-touches/ |
| [03:39:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: You can turn on the big clock support – in 0.21-fixes it always shows as 24-hours – in trunk it follows the configured date format due to a patch I submitted... ;-) |
| [03:39:50] | mzb_d800: | I couldn't get better |
| [03:40:04] | clever: | mzb_d800: he has a nice LCD panel embeded in that 'computer' :) |
| [03:40:12] | mzb_d800: | "Big clock" on mine simply does double space numbers |
| [03:40:20] | mzb_d800: | (running svn trunk) |
| [03:40:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Yeah, it's white LED or EL backlight, but the stn lcd makes it appear blue... DSTN displays are nice, white-on-black, but are harder to find. |
| [03:41:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: What is the driver fo the display? |
| [03:41:36] | mzb_d800: | clever: yeah, I've cut holes in a lot of panels before, so I did this one _really_ slowly ... took me a _DAY_! |
| [03:41:45] | mzb_d800: | J-e-f-f-A: HD44780 |
| [03:42:11] | clever: | mzb_d800: yours looks factory installed |
| [03:42:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: should work perfect, – I developed it and tested it on an HD44780 20x4 and Crystalfontz 20x4... |
| [03:42:23] | mzb_d800: | that was the idea ;) (WAF+) |
| [03:42:28] | clever: | mzb_d800: that site i linked to, isnt a normal computer |
| [03:42:40] | clever: | he made the whole system(includiing cpu) from basic logic gates |
| [03:42:55] | mzb_d800: | yeah, lack of slots sticks out |
| [03:43:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/lcd/bigclock_patch.html |
| [03:43:29] | mzb_d800: | nope: doesn't look anything like that |
| [03:44:14] | mzb_d800: | I think the time format on that box is AM/PM. |
| [03:44:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: are you sure you've got the 'display bigclock' option checked off? — strange... |
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| [03:44:53] | mzb_d800: | I've tried it, and it just gives me double-spaced numbers |
| [03:45:21] | mzb_d800: | I can recheck if you like (bookmark 3yo+${WOMAN}'s movie, etc) |
| [03:45:23] | mzb_d800: | brb |
| [03:45:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: I'm gonna have to put it on hold anyways... My box is down at the moment because I accidentially updated the DB schema from my test trunk box... so it looks like I'll have to upgrade my 'production' systems to trunk now... DOH!!!! |
| [03:47:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | !trout J-e-f-f-A "be more careful next time!" |
| [03:47:25] | ** MythLogBot slaps J-e-f-f-A with a "be more careful next time!" trout on behalf of J-e-f-f-A... ** | |
| [03:51:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | So... For you guys running trunk on your |
| [03:51:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... everyday 'prod' systems... how's it working out? ;-) |
| [03:52:16] | wagnerrp: | it works out fine, so long as im not fidgiting with it |
| [03:52:59] | wagnerrp: | when i am fidgiting with it, i get complaints that its not running (primarily because its not running) |
| [03:53:59] | wagnerrp: | the only other issues i have with it are issues i would be having with 0.21-fixes anyway |
| [03:54:08] | mzb_d800: | J-e-f-f-A: this is what it looks like with "Big Clock" enabled: http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/mythtv/ . . . _test_01.jpg |
| [03:55:18] | mzb_d800: | I'm not getting too many complaints (yet) with trunk ... still trying to copy over metadata and custom scripts. |
| [03:55:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: Humm... Looks like the bigclock character routine isn't getting called properly for your display... Because each character is 3-wide... |
| [03:55:46] | mzb_d800: | eg: to make Movies and Music Videos nicer to look at and easier to create/manage |
| [03:55:55] | mzb_d800: | ah |
| [03:55:56] | mzb_d800: | hmm |
| [03:56:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: Humm... what version of lcdproc? |
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| [03:56:50] | mzb_d800: | 0.4.5–1.1 (lenny) |
| [03:57:19] | mzb_d800: | just checking for updates now |
| [03:57:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: I'm on 0.5.2 — that's probably the cvs source version though... |
| [03:57:51] | mzb_d800: | hmm |
| [03:58:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | 0.4.5 sounds very old... ;-) |
| [03:58:26] | mzb_d800: | yep |
| [03:58:34] | mzb_d800: | 0.5.2 looks like current stable |
| [03:59:38] | mzb_d800: | oops, 239MB of updates. Might leave that 'till later (doesn't include lcdproc anyway) |
| [04:01:05] | mzb_d800: | v0.5.1 == "adapt drivers to modified bignum library:" |
| [04:01:07] | mzb_d800: | *sigh* |
| [04:01:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: Ah, that'd just be about 5 mins for me ... (fios!) |
| [04:03:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: I think the bignum routines were in there before that version... but 0.4.5 is pretty old – 2004-04–13 – maybe it wasn't in that version... ;-) |
| [04:03:08] | mzb_d800: | yeah, but after I ionice+nice apt-get _AND_ (possibly) get lynched for affecting playback quality it'll take hours ;) |
| [04:03:30] | mzb_d800: | yeah, I'd guess so ... looking into upgrade now |
| [04:04:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: so – 3:00pm — you in Austrailia? |
| [04:04:12] | mzb_d800: | yes |
| [04:04:25] | mzb_d800: | hah ... I can see the problem ... I'm on lenny vs testing ;) |
| [04:04:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | Nice! ;-) I hope to visit your country some day... ;-) |
| [04:04:37] | mzb_d800: | testing has 0.5.2 |
| [04:04:49] | mzb_d800: | cool place, I'm in Tasmania (cooler;) |
| [04:06:12] | ** mzb_d800 ducks ** | |
| [04:06:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: Well, I better get back to examining wether I can reverse my mistake, or take the plunge to trunk... How stable is the backend in trunk? (I could care less about the frontend stability atm, as long as the backend is pretty solid...) |
| [04:06:59] | mzb_d800: | seems ok |
| [04:07:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | er^^ that question was basically for anyone... ;-) |
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| [04:07:32] | mzb_d800: | still testing. I think it stopped *magically* once, but that could have been me. |
| [04:07:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | My 'production' backend is just 3x SD tuners (PVR-250, PVR-500) and a single HD-HomeRun for ATSC... |
| [04:08:38] | mzb_d800: | I've got 3x Leadtek DTV1000T, and an external K-World USB2.0 DVB as a spare (not configured yet) |
| [04:08:59] | mzb_d800: | also have an Avermedia 777, but planning to give it away |
| [04:09:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: How's your 'free' HD down there — do you get a lot of channels? |
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| [04:09:17] | mzb_d800: | not really ;) |
| [04:09:48] | mzb_d800: | 5 transports, each containing one "station" split into multiple channels. |
| [04:09:55] | iamlindoro: | AIUI your bigger problem down underish is that the channel owners take "start time" to be a very loose idea |
| [04:09:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: Are your SD channels sent digitally, or still analog? |
| [04:10:08] | mzb_d800: | both |
| [04:10:25] | mzb_d800: | Early this year they were all allowed an extra SD channel (in exchange for having an HD#) |
| [04:10:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | ^^ so they haven't discovered NTP in Austrailia yet, eh? ;-) |
| [04:10:43] | mzb_d800: | so most of them are allowed 3xSD + 1xHD, afaik |
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| [04:11:20] | mzb_d800: | hmm ... suspect all the Programme Directors use Windows 98 and drink too much caffeine |
| [04:12:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: How about Satellite — anything down there, pay or fta, or just terrestrial? |
| [04:12:41] | mzb_d800: | depending on the region, there are both analogue and digital on VHF and/or UHF (low band), and possibly high band UHF if you use a translator. |
| [04:13:16] | mzb_d800: | I've got a satellite card (no CAM) pointed at Optus D1, which gives me ABC + SBS for all states/regions. |
| [04:13:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: that's not half bad... |
| [04:14:05] | mzb_d800: | at least I would, if I hadn't been bitten recently by the seagate firmware bug ... I'll get around to fixing that soon, I hope. |
| [04:15:00] | mzb_d800: | if I had a cam however, I'd probably point the dish back to Optus C1 and get paytv (Foxtel and ... and ... err.. nm, there are a few of them, oh Austar and something else) |
| [04:15:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ah, to heck with it... I'm kicking off the trunk download now... ;-) |
| [04:15:35] | mzb_d800: | "What could possibly go wrong?" ... heh |
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| [04:18:22] | ** J-e-f-f-A mumbles.... ** | |
| [04:18:52] | Dagmar: | I'm going to catch hell monday but I don't care. |
| [04:19:00] | mzb_d800: | heh |
| [04:19:19] | Dagmar: | We're doing inventory on the machine rooms here. Our racks are organized along the tiles, labeled with letters going one way and numbers the other. |
| [04:19:32] | Dagmar: | Rows P and Q are ones I just did. |
| [04:19:55] | Dagmar: | I don't care how much my boss gripes at me, I just *had* to document it as "P's and Q's minded." |
| [04:19:56] | mzb_d800: | and you forgot to mind your P's and Q's ? |
| [04:20:01] | mzb_d800: | lol |
| [04:20:19] | Dagmar: | I wouldn't be able to sleep tonight if I passed that opportunity up. |
| [04:20:30] | mzb_d800: | absolutely |
| [04:20:35] | Dagmar: | :) |
| [04:21:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | Oh yeah, this is a little bigger than a bread box... qt4 too... humm.... Well, all I've done so far is download it... humm....... |
| [04:21:36] | ** J-e-f-f-A thinks some more... ** | |
| [04:24:37] | wagnerrp: | apparently some 40% of people interviewed on some study thought humans and dinosaurs existed in harmony |
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| [04:25:06] | wagnerrp: | or perhaps hunted and ate each other, but the implication is still the same |
| [04:25:18] | Dagmar: | I live in harmony with my snack food. |
| [04:25:37] | wagnerrp: | because it doesnt fight back? |
| [04:25:50] | Dagmar: | exactly. It seems rather relaxed about things. |
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| [04:26:22] | wagnerrp: | only 53% knew how long it took for the earth to revolve around the sun |
| [04:26:49] | clever: | 1 year:P |
| [04:26:54] | clever: | ~365.25 days |
| [04:26:59] | clever: | ~52 weeks |
| [04:27:26] | Dagmar: | 28 dyas |
| [04:27:28] | Dagmar: | er days |
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| [04:27:51] | clever: | Dagmar: thats a horror movie:P |
| [04:27:53] | Dagmar: | At least, the way my gf acts every 28 days you'd think the world was coming to it's end |
| [04:28:09] | clever: | lol |
| [04:28:16] | clever: | my dad works for PMS |
| [04:28:24] | clever: | Philips Medical Systems |
| [04:39:13] | mzb_d800: | J-e-f-f-A: big clock fixed, although I'm a little surprised they haven't used custom chars to make it look smoother. Oh well ;) |
| [04:40:28] | wagnerrp: | aggggh... every time i want to mod someone on slashdot is the day AFTER my mod points expired |
| [04:44:35] | mzb_d800: | a MythTV splash might be nice too ;) ... I could even be tempted to put a small flash drive on my netbooted FE for that alone! |
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| [04:51:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: Those are custom characters, but there are only 8 available... so that's a decent comprimise... |
| [04:52:18] | mzb_d800: | HD44780_get_free_chars |
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| [04:53:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/CF634_boot.jpg <-- that's what's possible with an LCD with an intelligent controller... ;-) |
| [04:53:34] | mzb_d800: | I'd have thought that using 4(?) custom chars (diagonally filled boxes) would make a huge difference to the "smoothness" of the bigclock on an HD44780 |
| [04:53:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: that's a CrystalFontz 634 USB – has on-board flsh, and that's the boot screen I built for it. |
| [04:53:59] | mzb_d800: | wouldn't mind knowing what the other custom chars are being set to .... better do some dprints ;) |
| [04:54:06] | mzb_d800: | s/do/inc./ |
| [04:54:24] | mzb_d800: | nice |
| [04:58:01] | mzb_d800: | I'm thinking about an initrd on a small flash drive that (among other things) initialises the LCD and provides a splash ... not sure how that'd go |
| [04:58:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: It takes either 6 or 7 custom characters to generate |/ \| |\ /| || <-- imagine those were 'filled' – that's 5 custom chars just there... requres one or two more for the horizontal bars... I've got some examplles somewhere... let me see if I can find them for ya... |
| [04:58:23] | mzb_d800: | ok, thanks |
| [04:58:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: I had written simple DOS programs to control a parallel-attached hd44780 years ago... that could be recycled if I found the code again... ;-) |
| [04:59:21] | mzb_d800: | I wonder if the char set on the JHD204A is exactly the same as the HD44780? |
| [05:00:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: Probably... btw.. here's some other examples of what I've been playing around with: http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/lcd/ |
| [05:01:16] | mzb_d800: | I like it ;) |
| [05:01:58] | mzb_d800: | I have some ideas inc: bar display for shows that are currently recording. |
| [05:02:11] | mzb_d800: | eg: "#####___ " |
| [05:02:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: I think my 'demo' recoring screen is better than the current one: http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/lcd/default-recording.jpg |
| [05:02:47] | clever: | mzb_d800: my current netboot setup uses an initrd, so i wouldnt even need a flash drive to do that |
| [05:03:01] | clever: | you could do the same |
| [05:03:04] | mzb_d800: | where the quoted section is the width of the display, #=block (watched), "_"= underline (recorded but not watched) |
| [05:04:17] | mzb_d800: | clever: yep, but iirc the size of the initrd has to be limited with _some_ PXE clients _and_, as I said, I want to do other things with an initrd (security/theft-related "callbacks" for eg.) |
| [05:04:34] | clever: | ahh |
| [05:04:46] | mzb_d800: | J-e-f-f-A: how is that different? |
| [05:04:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: There's lots of possibilities... At the moment I was actually toying with the idea of writing a 'native' hd44780 driver without lcdproc – but not sure if the mainline devs would welcome that yet. (would make it an option for "LCD Driver:" "lcdproc" "hd44780 Native", etc...) |
| [05:05:07] | mzb_d800: | I see |
| [05:05:31] | clever: | you could make them plug into the frontend something like plugins |
| [05:05:40] | mzb_d800: | must get callerid to display next ;)) |
| [05:05:43] | clever: | so it would load into the frontend at runtime and hook into everything it needs |
| [05:05:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: Because this is my recording program screen: http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/lcd/test-recording.jpg |
| [05:06:20] | mzb_d800: | I see, yes much prefer that one ^ |
| [05:06:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | ;-) mee too |
| [05:06:36] | mzb_d800: | me needs more caffeine |
| [05:06:46] | mzb_d800: | *sigh* |
| [05:07:08] | mzb_d800: | (out of beer!) |
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| [05:07:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: atm- that's on my 0.21-fixes box, which I need to get back to working on, since I foobar'd the DB... I need to examine 'dbcheck.cpp' to see if it's worth attempting to reverse the 3 schema updates, or just take the plunge to trunk... |
| [05:07:57] | mzb_d800: | ok |
| [05:08:32] | mzb_d800: | somebody was telling me about rewinding the logs (or similar) a few weeks back, and making it sound trivial. |
| [05:09:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yeah, perhaps restoring from a DB backup, but they weren't running on my system apparently, for almost a year... DOH!!!! |
| [05:09:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | Oh well, it's only TV... IT's probably less work to just continue to trunk... |
| [05:09:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | nearly 2.5TB of recordings... ;-) |
| [05:11:53] | mzb_d800: | no, using the mysql logs (iirc) to "rewind" the operations, backups not required. |
| [05:13:41] | clever: | probly needs binary logging enabled |
| [05:13:50] | clever: | which eats several gig a day for me:P |
| [05:14:02] | mzb_d800: | enabled by default on some|most distros? |
| [05:14:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: Humm... well.. I dunno if that's possible in this case, the update was done by a trunk backend that I had just dropped it's DB on – it apparently found my 0.21-fixes 'prod' backend via UPnP and decided it would be nice to update... ;-) DOH! (of course, I just A$$umed it was creating an empty 'old' database, then updating it, like a dummy) |
| [05:14:10] | clever: | on by default with ubuntu |
| [05:14:24] | clever: | and allways overflows my drive within a week of reinstalling:P |
| [05:14:34] | mzb_d800: | heh, yeah |
| [05:14:36] | clever: | 'crap its full allready!?' :P |
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| [05:14:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | clever: FC8 on the 0.21-fixes backend... FC10 on the trunk test box... |
| [05:14:57] | clever: | never used fedora |
| [05:15:24] | clever: | and my redhat9 has gone thru so many changes in the past 5 years i have no idea what was default |
| [05:16:07] | bocaJ: | Hey folks, can anyone tell me a little bit about the --dvd or "-e dvd" flag for mythtranscode? I haven't found good documentation on the wiki or with a casual google search. |
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| [05:19:17] | CyberKnet: | bocaJ: I know nothing of it, sorry. |
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| [05:22:12] | ** CyberKnet wonders at the 1,540 packages yum is supposedly updating ** | |
| [05:22:53] | CyberKnet: | always asking for trouble upgrading fedora releases with yum. But do I heed the warning? no. |
| [05:22:59] | CyberKnet: | heh heh heh |
| [05:23:45] | CyberKnet: | Everybody wants to be a cowboy. |
| [05:25:03] | bocaJ: | CyberKent – have you installed fastest mirror and yumex? |
| [05:25:29] | CyberKnet: | at least fastestmirror. |
| [05:25:34] | CyberKnet: | not sure about yumex. |
| [05:25:56] | bocaJ: | it's just a yum frontend, but I swear, it makes yum bearable. |
| [05:26:06] | CyberKnet: | heh. I like smart most of the time. |
| [05:26:11] | bocaJ: | although it doesn't improve my spelling |
| [05:26:34] | CyberKnet: | hit yum upgrade before I thought about it too much. |
| [05:26:46] | CyberKnet: | *shrug* ... so far, so good. knock on wood. heh. |
| [05:26:51] | bocaJ: | indeed |
| [05:27:00] | CyberKnet: | What's life without a little fedora upgrade excitement though? :) |
| [05:27:26] | bocaJ: | well, sometimes I'll update my ps3 just to see if it will brick this time ;) |
| [05:27:47] | CyberKnet: | Microsoft sure does a good job of that with my xbox 360 :P |
| [05:28:45] | bocaJ: | do you have much luck streaming content to your 360? |
| [05:29:04] | CyberKnet: | I suppose if I had a ps3 I wouldn't care if it got bricked either. *ducks* |
| [05:29:12] | CyberKnet: | from myth? I haven't tried. |
| [05:30:14] | bocaJ: | for PS3, things work decently before I try any transcoding, but after that, I get data corrupted errors, hence the questions about the -e dvd flag |
| [05:30:22] | CyberKnet: | I have a combined frontend/backend that sits next to my TV. And while I would like to not have to have it there, just streaming isn't enough functionality for me to use the 360. |
| [05:31:03] | CyberKnet: | now, understand I am not saying there is anything wrong with transcode ... but I will say that I have never had good luck with it at the best of times. |
| [05:31:12] | bocaJ: | likewise |
| [05:31:13] | CyberKnet: | likely a misconfiguration on my end, I'm sure. |
| [05:31:26] | bocaJ: | I also need to find the right ballance of commercial flagging |
| [05:31:38] | CyberKnet: | The functionality wouldn't be there if there wasn't a way to make it work... but I have not looked too hard at making it work either. |
| [05:31:47] | CyberKnet: | I threw disk space at the problem instead. easier. |
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| [05:32:14] | CyberKnet: | now I have 750GB of space that isn't about to run out any time soon, and I don't have to transcode. |
| [05:32:38] | wagnerrp: | CyberKnet: thats what i thought about a month and 400GB ago |
| [05:32:55] | bocaJ: | well, the transcoding for me is more about getting the commercials out for watching on things other than my frontend. |
| [05:32:56] | clever: | ive got things setup to transcode after a week |
| [05:33:04] | CyberKnet: | wagnerrp: heh. start recording HD, or more programs? |
| [05:33:05] | clever: | down to 27gig free on the 1tb drive |
| [05:33:41] | wagnerrp: | recording HD, ripping a bunch of dvds... |
| [05:34:04] | bocaJ: | Wagnerrp: do you use myth's internal DVD ripper? |
| [05:34:30] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [05:34:36] | CyberKnet: | wagnerrp: aha. If the upgrade goes well tonight I'll be recording HD too, and likely have to upgrade my raid array from 250GB drives (4) to 1Tb drives. |
| [05:34:58] | bocaJ: | ha, want to toss your old drives my way? |
| [05:35:14] | CyberKnet: | heh heh heh |
| [05:35:51] | CyberKnet: | I've been known to do stranger things before. but this is all conjecture. |
| [05:36:18] | CyberKnet: | "have to upgrade" can take a long time in terms of the WAF |
| [05:36:24] | CyberKnet: | ;) |
| [05:37:14] | bocaJ: | So by the time your done, we'll be estimating storage capacity in Petabytes? |
| [05:37:20] | CyberKnet: | lol |
| [05:37:24] | CyberKnet: | something like that ;) |
| [05:38:23] | bocaJ: | what card are you using to capture HD? |
| [05:38:48] | CyberKnet: | nada – firewire. At least, I will be using firewire. I have used in the past, and hope to use it again. |
| [05:39:28] | bocaJ: | your cable providers are kind. Everyone here just gives you a shitty box with the ports disabled and laughs at you. |
| [05:39:39] | CyberKnet: | lost my firewire port in a motherboard upgrade, and only just now found a PCI-Express 1x firewire card that I am REALLY hoping will "just work" in linux. |
| [05:39:49] | CyberKnet: | bocaJ: only free to air channels are unencrypted. |
| [05:40:09] | CyberKnet: | bocaJ: anything not free-to-air was encrypted last time I looked about a year ago or so. |
| [05:40:28] | wagnerrp: | apparently comcast has been opening up a lot of QAM channels |
| [05:40:48] | bocaJ: | I was actually glad to see Comcast starting to put all their extended basic channels in the clear. No HD, but still, sharper picture than analog. |
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| [05:41:15] | wagnerrp: | its not like comcast wants to |
| [05:41:39] | CyberKnet: | wagnerrp: hmmm... why did they do that? |
| [05:41:46] | bocaJ: | Wagnerrp: I believe this migth be a temporary thing, but what's forcing them? |
| [05:41:56] | wagnerrp: | its just cheaper for them to risk people without extended digital accessing the content, and use a $40 box rather than a $300+ box |
| [05:41:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | CyberKnet: I have a PCIe firewire card in my backend, works fine... |
| [05:42:20] | wagnerrp: | the boxes they are handing out are little more than a QAM tuner |
| [05:42:43] | wagnerrp: | they do have some limited crypto hardware, but since its embedded in the box, FCC regs do not allow them to enable it |
| [05:42:56] | CyberKnet: | J-e-f-f-A: Cool. THis one was rather cheap... anything I found with for-sure linux support was almost a hundred bucks, this one was about $25, but used a chipset that I thought I saw support for in PCI form-factor. |
| [05:43:04] | wagnerrp: | so... theyre pusing them out, and hoping for some leeway with the new administrationdk |
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| [05:43:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | CyberKnet: lspci shows mine as: Texas Instruments XIO2200(A) IEEE-1394a-2000 Controller |
| [05:44:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | Any MySQL folks here? |
| [05:44:33] | wagnerrp: | anyway, there was no way they could keep customers if they dropped analog cable and forced them to pay another $7 per tv for STB rental |
| [05:45:45] | bocaJ: | Wagnerrp: I see what you're saying. Do you think they are going to keep it free or do you see a way under current laws that they would encrypt it again without losing customers? |
| [05:46:35] | wagnerrp: | the cheap little $1 boxes theyre handing out now support encryption, just a very cheap and limited form |
| [05:46:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: that $7/month reminds me of when I had them with a cable modem – ~8 yrs ago – bought my own cable modem to save the $10/month rental fee, and about 5 months later they raised their per-month fee by $7 but cut the rental fee to $3, so renters paid the same, owners got a $7/month increase... |
| [05:46:45] | wagnerrp: | however under current law, they cannot use it |
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| [05:47:34] | ** CyberKnet suddenly realizes he doesn't know where the new firewire card is ** | |
| [05:47:37] | wagnerrp: | if they get a waiver, they can enable it and screw over everyone using QAM tuners |
| [05:47:54] | wagnerrp: | however they couldn't care less about people using QAM tuners |
| [05:48:01] | bocaJ: | this is actually pretty fascinating to me. Do you have a particular site that gives details on what comcast's plan are/hardware is? |
| [05:48:06] | wagnerrp: | they want people using their boxes, their hardware |
| [05:48:59] | CyberKnet: | wagnerrp: we can all just hope that the fcc prevents them from illegal tying of hardware to service. Not that that did the end consumer any good with M-Card. Cable Labs still has a strangle-hold on the format. |
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| [05:49:40] | CyberKnet: | We'll not see an M-Card capture card for linux for a long, LONG time, I'd wager. |
| [05:49:46] | CyberKnet: | if at all. |
| [05:49:49] | wagnerrp: | id say never |
| [05:49:56] | wagnerrp: | theyre trying to replace m-card |
| [05:50:06] | CyberKnet: | already? |
| [05:50:25] | wagnerrp: | with something with better bi-directional hardware |
| [05:50:41] | CyberKnet: | IIRC, M-Card is bidirectional, cablecard isn't. |
| [05:50:58] | wagnerrp: | oh, its cablecard im thinking of then |
| [05:51:28] | iamlindoro: | m-card is a type of cablecard |
| [05:51:40] | iamlindoro: | it's, in myth parlance, a multirec cablecard |
| [05:51:49] | iamlindoro: | ie, cablecard with hardware pid filters |
| [05:51:54] | CyberKnet: | I see. I thought it was a BOCR device. |
| [05:52:07] | iamlindoro: | M= Multiple Strem |
| [05:52:08] | iamlindoro: | stream |
| [05:53:05] | bocaJ: | I'm just waiting for some dvdjon to come into the cable TV world and bust up their encryption |
| [05:53:32] | wagnerrp: | the issue is that anyone doing that in the US would be destroyed |
| [05:53:35] | mzb_d800: | J-e-f-f-A: I assume those 8 custom chars are shared across all screens + widgets? |
| [05:53:44] | wagnerrp: | anyone doing that not in the US would have no purpose of doing so |
| [05:53:52] | mzb_d800: | or is it 8 chars _per_ screen? |
| [05:54:06] | bocaJ: | Wag: illegal, certainly, but if you came up with a software decryption model, how would you fight it? |
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| [05:54:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: Umm, I don't think so, but you can't set them in an lcdproc client... |
| [05:54:23] | mzb_d800: | figured |
| [05:54:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | ie: you can't define the custom characters yourself... |
| [05:54:29] | wagnerrp: | bocaJ: because youre not allowed to break encryption |
| [05:54:55] | mzb_d800: | that's ok, just depends where they're set and how often you can change them |
| [05:55:02] | wagnerrp: | you make it available on the internet, you better hope the cops get to you first |
| [05:55:07] | mzb_d800: | (ie: it doesn't matter what I have to patch ;) |
| [05:55:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: that's why I was considering writing 'native' hd44780 support – I've got experience with programming them with dos and microcontrollers. ;-) |
| [05:55:41] | ** mzb_d800 feels old ** | |
| [05:55:53] | bocaJ: | wagnerrp: again, I don't disagree with you on this, but people do anyways. You aren't "allowed" to rip dvd's that you own, but some smart person though of a series of haiku's that made it possible. Same thing with HDDVD and BluRay – I'm just saying someone should figure out the same thing with QAM encryption. |
| [05:55:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: why? I'm 40... ;-) |
| [05:56:07] | mzb_d800: | you've got a couple of months on me ;) |
| [05:56:44] | wagnerrp: | bocaJ: with DVD rips, you have the content in hand. prior cases have shown that you have fair use right to access it as you please |
| [05:56:49] | ** J-e-f-f-A hears crickets in #mysql... :-O ** | |
| [05:56:55] | CyberKnet: | bocaJ: It's not a game that ends well for anyone in the USA involved as long as the DMCA is around in the USA. Involved means as much as coding it, or as little as using it. I know that I personally wouldn't touch it with a 500' pole. |
| [05:56:58] | wagnerrp: | if you break conditional access on cable, you have everything |
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| [05:57:21] | wagnerrp: | you have the channels you have rightfully paid for, you have the channels you may not have paid for |
| [05:58:03] | wagnerrp: | they whole broadcast distribution system collapses |
| [05:58:05] | CyberKnet: | wagnerrp: nice point. |
| [05:58:15] | wagnerrp: | there is no option left but to go entirely to switched video |
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| [05:58:45] | CyberKnet: | watch our cable rates skyrocket with that cost. |
| [05:59:01] | wagnerrp: | not to mention all that hard work goes down the drain |
| [05:59:22] | CyberKnet: | and the content providers would demand that pretty quick. |
| [05:59:54] | bocaJ: | wagnerrp: I think that it would remain in the domain of technichally savvy individuals. Bittorrent plus numerous unscrupulous individuals gives you pretty much the same thing, but we're not seeing a collapse of movie/TV production. |
| [06:00:18] | bocaJ: | My issue is that under the current system, I don't even get what I do pay for and am intitled to. |
| [06:00:31] | bocaJ: | entitled – sorry, don't know why I can't spell tonight |
| [06:00:55] | wagnerrp: | that doesnt matter, because you dont have the legal might to persue the content you pay for how you want to have it |
| [06:01:01] | wagnerrp: | they do |
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| [06:01:42] | wagnerrp: | and just because the content is already available on the internet doesnt mean loss of security with conditional access wouldnt have those reprocussions |
| [06:02:30] | wagnerrp: | and to be honest, the content is NOT available on the internet |
| [06:02:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | (has the dev channel really been silent for the last 9+ hours or is my irc client foobar?!?) |
| [06:03:01] | wagnerrp: | whats available on the internet is cut resolution, low bitrate transcodes of what you get over broadcast or cable |
| [06:03:08] | CyberKnet: | J-e-f-f-A: I couldn't say, but it's a distinct possibility. |
| [06:03:21] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: theres always the beirdo logs |
| [06:05:10] | CyberKnet: | Haven't seen Beirdo in a long, long time. |
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| [06:09:38] | mzb_d800: | J-e-f-f-A: this is the sort of big clock I'd like to see: http://www.jepsennet.de/vdr/html/vdr-wakeup.html |
| [06:09:53] | mzb_d800: | well, with those custom chars, anyway |
| [06:10:20] | mzb_d800: | I think I can see about 7 custom chars on that screen |
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| [06:10:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: That's pretty decent... |
| [06:12:16] | mzb_d800: | looks like an HD44780 module running off a uC, but I can't see how a uC would be _required_ for custom fonts, etc |
| [06:12:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: Yep, 8 if you count the clock symbol in the top-left corner. |
| [06:12:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: it's not — it's just that lcdproc defines them in their server, and there's no way to define them in a client. |
| [06:13:20] | mzb_d800: | a mythtv-hd44780 driver module? |
| [06:13:30] | mzb_d800: | s/server module ? |
| [06:13:56] | mzb_d800: | ps the vdr wakeup has an lcproc driver |
| [06:14:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: exactly... ;-) And also thinking along the lines of supporting graphical LCDs too, not just ones emulating character lcds with lcdproc. |
| [06:14:26] | mzb_d800: | hmm |
| [06:16:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: Yeah, if you translate his page about LCDproc into english, it says "In addition the character set table is user definable in this version." |
| [06:16:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | -- he patches it. ;-) |
| [06:16:50] | mzb_d800: | k |
| [06:17:03] | mzb_d800: | prob. good place to start |
| [06:17:26] | mzb_d800: | interesting pic at the bottom of: http://www.k-data.org/download/wakeup20_tech.zip |
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| [06:18:13] | CyberKnet: | well, cowboy got his fun. Looks like I hosed grub a bit. |
| [06:18:39] | CyberKnet: | boots to a grub command prompt now. :| |
| [06:19:14] | CyberKnet: | Off to see the google. |
| [06:22:00] | mzb_d800: | J-e-f-f-A: what sort of connection type did you use for your HD44780? |
| [06:22:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: Parallel. ;-) |
| [06:22:42] | mzb_d800: | lol |
| [06:22:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | 8-bit even. ;-) |
| [06:23:08] | mzb_d800: | ok, 8bit or winamp? |
| [06:24:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: Winamp — had originally wired it that way for use with both a dos mp3 player and a SFF pc used as a 'carputer' for a short while running Win98... |
| [06:24:15] | mzb_d800: | yep |
| [06:25:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: The pics in that document show most of the digits, just missing 4, 5, 7 and 9, which can be easily calculated given the 7 custom characters. |
| [06:25:49] | mzb_d800: | agreed |
| [06:26:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: Are you running a packaged lcdproc, or did you compile from source? |
| [06:26:20] | mzb_d800: | I'm using the package from testing |
| [06:26:23] | mzb_d800: | (deb) |
| [06:26:47] | mzb_d800: | I can always change, I guess, if necessary |
| [06:27:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | I was just thinking, that if I used his patches as a basis, I could adapt them to 0.5.2, and work with that (for now)... |
| [06:27:35] | CyberKnet: | oooh, pretty new fedora 10 background. |
| [06:28:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | But then again, writing a 'direct' hd44780 driver does seem appealing... |
| [06:29:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | But I really need to get my system back up... ;-) Back to working on it... ;-) |
| [06:36:53] | mzb_d800: | yep |
| [06:37:34] | mzb_d800: | It seems to me that there's a possibility to make this a lot simpler: ref CharmapFile |
| [06:38:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: But with 'real-time' access to the custom characters, all sort of displays can be created, and quickly, such as real-time spectrum analyzers, etc... and MUCH faster screen changes, etc. |
| [06:39:06] | mzb_d800: | hmm |
| [06:39:35] | mzb_d800: | it appears that the 8 custom chars are loaded all at the same time, starting to look easy ;) |
| [06:39:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | I was doing real-time VU meters with my lcds and the dos mp3 player... |
| [06:40:00] | mzb_d800: | even more interesting if you can change a custom char _after_ it's been displayed ;) |
| [06:40:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_d800: Yes, and it changes on the screen in real-time as you're changing the bitmap of the custom character. |
| [06:40:37] | ** mzb_d800 likes whirlygigs ;) ** | |
| [06:40:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | yup. ;-) |
| [06:40:49] | mzb_d800: | hmm |
| [06:41:12] | ** mzb_d800 has to start getting ready for food (before WAF- rains on his head) ** | |
| [06:46:43] | olejl: | Can anyone tell me how I can send e.g. "Escape" to mythfrontend from a script? |
| [06:47:09] | wagnerrp: | use the socket interface |
| [06:48:04] | olejl: | ok thanks |
| [06:48:26] | CyberKnet: | You know, at some point I had the internal volume control working in Myth for the HDMI out, and at some point in time since i have borked it. |
| [06:48:34] | CyberKnet: | blegh. |
| [06:48:40] | wagnerrp: | specifically, install netcat, and run |
| [06:49:10] | wagnerrp: | echo -e "key escape\nexit\n" | nc <backend ip> 6546 |
| [06:49:34] | clever: | the 'exit' command probly isnt needed because of the EOF at the end |
| [06:49:42] | clever: | not shure |
| [06:49:47] | wagnerrp: | or, if youre using perl or python, you can use the socket libraries directly rather than using netcat |
| [06:49:58] | clever: | wagnerrp: bash can use sockets directly:P |
| [06:50:06] | clever: | ive seen a whole damn irc client in pure bash! |
| [06:50:09] | wagnerrp: | that would be frontend ip, not backend ip |
| [06:50:28] | clever: | Bash handles several filenames specially when they are used in redirections, as described in the following table: |
| [06:50:32] | clever: | /dev/tcp/host/port |
| [06:50:32] | clever: | If host is a valid hostname or Internet address, and port is an integer port number or service name, bash attempts to open a TCP connection to |
| [06:50:35] | clever: | the corresponding socket. |
| [06:50:36] | wagnerrp: | clever: well you *can* access /dev/tcp |
| [06:50:44] | wagnerrp: | but that just seems rather painful |
| [06:50:47] | CyberKnet: | clever: Yes, but as emacs proves ... just because you can doesn't mean you should. *grin* |
| [06:51:00] | clever: | exec 5>/dev/tcp/10.0.0.60/6546 |
| [06:51:07] | clever: | echo key escape >&6 |
| [06:51:46] | wagnerrp: | you could of course fly aircraft in excel 97, but there are better programs for doing so |
| [06:51:49] | clever: | seems less painfull then -e and shoving 2 commands into a single line |
| [06:52:08] | clever: | ive seen that eegg:P |
| [06:53:01] | wagnerrp: | i think netcat is the more basic implementation |
| [06:53:22] | wagnerrp: | rather than setting up custom i/o descriptors and the dev filesystem |
| [06:53:23] | clever: | debian may also break my idea: 'NOTE: Bash, as packaged for Debian, does not support using the /dev/tcp and /dev/udp files.' |
| [06:53:53] | clever: | wagnerrp: it doesnt actualy use any setup under /dev/, bash just reads the 'path' and opens a socket on its own |
| [06:54:16] | clever: | its more of a virtual filesystem that only bash can access |
| [06:54:48] | wagnerrp: | i suppose the opposite could be said, that its better to teach proper socket access |
| [06:54:54] | wagnerrp: | than to pump garbage into netcat |
| [06:55:22] | clever: | with 'exec 5>/dev/tcp/10.0.0.60/6546', the socket will stay open longer(faster access) and you can access it in both directions |
| [06:55:27] | wagnerrp: | 'proper'... however virtualized away from the system calls it may be |
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| [06:57:00] | olejl: | this was working excellent for me so I will use it: wagnerrp: echo -e "key escape\nexit\n" | nc <backend ip> 6546 |
| [06:57:02] | olejl: | thanks |
| [06:57:35] | wagnerrp: | and the one-liner wins! |
| [06:58:29] | clever: | exec 5>/dev/tcp/10.0.0.60/6546 ; echo key escape >&5 ; echo exit > &5 |
| [06:58:32] | clever: | one-liner! :P |
| [06:58:50] | wagnerrp: | semicolon ftl |
| [06:59:18] | clever: | echo -e "key escape\nexit\n" >/dev/tcp/10.0.0.60/6546 |
| [06:59:21] | wagnerrp: | does the socket automatically close when the far end disconnects? |
| [06:59:25] | clever: | one-liner!!, and you dont need to install netcat |
| [06:59:37] | clever: | with that 2nd one, it does |
| [06:59:57] | clever: | either way, bash will hang up when it finishes |
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| [07:00:11] | clever: | and mythfrontend will also hang up if anything else logs into the thingy |
| [07:00:14] | wagnerrp: | since you never opened up a descriptor... |
| [07:00:24] | clever: | i opened it up as stdout |
| [07:00:42] | wagnerrp: | im just used to having to properly create, initialize, connect, disconnect, destroy.... |
| [07:01:18] | wagnerrp: | even in perl and python, you still have to go through the steps |
| [07:01:18] | clever: | redirecting into that will 'create,init,connect', then run the command with the socket as stdout |
| [07:01:28] | clever: | and when done, 'disconnect,destroy' |
| [07:02:42] | clever: | normaly, exec is used to replaced the current process |
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| [07:03:02] | clever: | but if you only redirect exec, it will change the fd's within the process and keep them for more then 1 command |
| [07:03:23] | kormoc: | in perl you don't have to, it'll disconnect/destroy/cleanup on script end |
| [07:03:42] | clever: | kormoc: bash will do the same on 'script end' |
| [07:04:09] | clever: | i think my cpufreq scalling crashed again |
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| [07:04:55] | wagnerrp: | yeah, ive been trying to debug socket code in the past, and its always a pain when the program segfaults and your port is locked for the next couple minutes |
| [07:05:09] | clever: | yep, all processes are hardlocked in a mutex |
| [07:05:32] | clever: | wagnerrp: theres an extra flag you can enable to mark it as reuseable |
| [07:06:07] | wagnerrp: | to forcefully reopen it? |
| [07:06:14] | clever: | when you first open it |
| [07:06:49] | clever: | let me find it |
| [07:06:52] | wagnerrp: | obviously something to be taken out of the release code |
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| [07:08:24] | clever: | man 7 socket |
| [07:08:27] | clever: | SO_REUSEADDR |
| [07:08:59] | clever: | Qt has a similar flag which will attempt to translate it to the native api |
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| [07:09:39] | wagnerrp: | this was just a bit of monitoring code running on a cluster |
| [07:09:43] | clever: | if you enable that and then crash, the port wont be tied up |
| [07:09:44] | wagnerrp: | no need or want for qt |
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| [07:10:21] | clever: | just figured out why my runlevel is stuck at 7 while idle |
| [07:10:36] | wagnerrp: | little socket server to let nodes know if theyre allowed to go into standby |
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| [07:10:48] | clever: | a bunch of processes are blocking on cpufreq and will never wake up |
| [07:11:28] | clever: | and this laptop is now my master backend so rebooting it is more of a pain |
| [07:11:56] | wagnerrp: | ugh... more comments i want to mod the day after my mod points expire |
| [07:12:07] | clever: | lol |
| [07:14:10] | wagnerrp: | i mean seriously |
| [07:14:26] | wagnerrp: | a 'battery' which stores electricity using magnetic flux |
| [07:14:51] | wagnerrp: | and theres only one reference to back to the future in 16 hours |
| [07:14:57] | wagnerrp: | and its only a score of '2' |
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| [07:29:28] | bocaJ: | hey folks. I saw in the release notes for .21 – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0.21#mythtranscode – that mythtranscode got support for writing ts streams. Does anyone know how to enable this? |
| [07:36:54] | wagnerrp: | that may just be for lossless transcodes |
| [07:37:23] | wagnerrp: | as far as i know, if you are actually transcoding, rather than just clipping commercials out of mpeg2, you will get a nuv |
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| [07:48:27] | ** J-e-f-f-A cheers loudly as he was able to recover his database changes and get 0.21-fixes back up. ;-) YAHOO!!! ** | |
| [07:48:48] | ** J-e-f-f-A does a happy dance!!!!! ** | |
| [07:50:30] | artus35: | Hi all |
| [07:50:38] | artus35: | I have a problem with mythtv-setup |
| [07:50:54] | artus35: | my dvb-s card does not want to look for channels |
| [07:51:08] | artus35: | it always complains that my values are out of range |
| [07:55:10] | artus35: | kernel: DVB: frontend 0 frequency 12551500 out of range (174000000..862000000) |
| [07:55:19] | artus35: | any idea anybody? |
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| [07:57:21] | artus35: | mythtv-setup always crashes then |
| [07:57:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | artus35: looks like you need to add another zero... |
| [07:58:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | (just a guess though, looking quickly at the range given, as I don't/can't use dvb-s here in the US...) |
| [08:03:15] | bocaJ: | hey wagnerrp, if you're still around, that is actually what I'm doing, I just have a TS Stream, and since that's what the ps3 will play nicely with, I would like to maintain it. |
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| [08:11:28] | mzb_d800: | artus35: got your LNB frequency setup correctly? |
| [08:13:08] | artus35: | which is the correct one? |
| [08:13:18] | artus35: | I had 12551500 V 22000000 |
| [08:17:28] | CCFL_Man2: | J-e-f-f-A: you can use dvb-s in the US |
| [08:20:15] | mzb_d800: | artus35: that will depend completely on the LNB you're using. Look at the label ;) |
| [08:20:44] | mzb_d800: | can anyone tell me how to paste from desktop into mythfrontend? (trunk with QT4 obviously!) |
| [08:22:40] | mzb_d800: | Being able to enter a space would be nice! If I disable the line-edit keyboard I can't even do that! grrr. |
| [08:23:37] | mzb_d800: | ah, remove keybinding for SPACE, duh |
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| [08:33:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | CCFL_Man2: For what, maybe 10 channels? |
| [08:34:48] | clever: | mzb_d800: you didnt have to unbind that normaly |
| [08:34:59] | clever: | something got 'broke' with the major mythui changes |
| [08:35:20] | mzb_d800: | not in 0.21, no |
| [08:35:31] | mzb_d800: | _and_ I used to be able to cut & paste (handy) |
| [08:35:57] | clever: | if im doing anything that needs cut&paste, i just do it directly in a mysql shell |
| [08:38:46] | mzb_d800: | my music video cutting doesn't work that way ;) |
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| [08:39:31] | mzb_d800: | 1: mark cutpoints, 2: rename subtitle to "Artist – Track", 3: run user job ... rinse&repeat ;) |
| [08:40:12] | clever: | something handy i sometimes do with text based programs |
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| [08:40:25] | clever: | i can insert control commands into the text, and paste the whole thing like a macro |
| [08:40:50] | clever: | but getting ctrl+s into the paste buffer can be tricky sometimes |
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| [08:41:18] | mzb_d800: | :) |
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| [08:47:11] | mzb_d800: | J-e-f-f-A: isn't HD44780_set_char exported, and if so why can't it be used by mythlcd? |
| [08:47:44] | mzb_d800: | (eg: the heart symbol) |
| [08:48:15] | mzb_d800: | ref: ./server/drivers/hd44780.c |
| [08:52:06] | mzb_d800: | combined with LCDProcClient::sendToServer in /mythtv/programs/mythlcdserver/lcdprocclient.cpp |
| [08:52:26] | mzb_d800: | must be some way of loading user-defined chars (nicely) |
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| [13:16:52] | akv: | How do people handle series in mythtv – I have a lot of episodes i don't really wanna see in the "Video Manager" – only movies should be shown there. Any way of doing this a bit more elegant? |
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| [13:48:04] | tank-man: | don't put videos in the video scan folder |
| [13:48:41] | akv: | but i'd still like to be able to choose them from "watch videos" |
| [13:49:24] | tank-man: | so how is the computer suppose to know what you want and when? |
| [13:50:05] | akv: | I were hoping someone have had the same problem and found a solution...maybe a "watch series" plugin or something.. |
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| [13:53:45] | gbee: | akv: won't be possible until 0.22 |
| [13:53:55] | akv: | gbee: okay, but it will be possible in 0.22? |
| [13:54:07] | gbee: | if everything goes as planned |
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| [13:55:19] | akv: | great, anywhere this is descriped? |
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| [13:59:37] | gbee: | no |
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| [14:02:13] | akv: | gbee: great :) |
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| [14:12:41] | wagnerrp: | akv: currently, in trunk, you can disable flat file view in the video manager |
| [14:12:58] | wagnerrp: | and navigate by folders like you already do for viewing the content |
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| [14:19:42] | gbee: | do the filters not apply to the video manager in 0.21? |
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| [14:29:59] | SQlvpapir: | I'm still stuck here. I suspect that it is because I am on 64bit, but installing ia32 changed noting.. http://pastebin.com/m2ba42c51 |
| [14:31:16] | wagnerrp: | if you can load the xinerama libraries, i suspect something has gone horribly wrong with your system |
| [14:31:38] | wagnerrp: | those should exist in any proper X install |
| [14:31:50] | wagnerrp: | s/can/cant/ |
| [14:38:18] | tank-man: | what version of mythtv are you trying to compile? |
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| [14:39:02] | Marbug: | hi, I'm trying myth tv, with the card in my server and I'm watching on my multimedia box, now I have a few issues: |
| [14:39:06] | SQlvpapir: | tank-man: its svn |
| [14:39:11] | Marbug: | how can I get mythtv on top on my multimediabox ? |
| [14:39:17] | Marbug: | 2. how can I change channel? (arrow keys won't work, nor when I type a number) |
| [14:39:35] | Marbug: | (I'm using fluxbox on my multimediabox) |
| [14:40:35] | tank-man: | Marbug, just install mythtv on your multimediabox. What is specificly stopping you? |
| [14:41:16] | Marbug: | I did that, but I got some stuff that are in front of it, like xclock and conky |
| [14:41:38] | Marbug: | I can watch the tv you know |
| [14:42:43] | SQlvpapir: | wagnerrp: it is the -dev I need right? |
| [14:43:48] | tfm: | ey Marbug |
| [14:43:50] | wagnerrp: | SQlvpapir: the dev what? |
| [14:43:54] | SQlvpapir: | could it have something to do with atis propriary drivers? |
| [14:44:14] | SQlvpapir: | wagnerrp: libxinerama-dev |
| [14:44:18] | Marbug: | hi tfm |
| [14:44:27] | wagnerrp: | i have no idea what that means |
| [14:44:41] | tfm: | was thinking you where another .be Marburg ;) |
| [14:45:02] | wagnerrp: | or why someone would ship an X server without header files |
| [14:45:16] | wagnerrp: | unless its intended for a system build on a small flash card |
| [14:45:29] | wagnerrp: | but then you shouldnt be compiling on it anyway |
| [14:45:46] | Marbug: | yes I am tfm :p |
| [14:47:29] | SQlvpapir: | wagnerrp: so I need xserver-xorg-dev? |
| [14:47:51] | wagnerrp: | SQlvpapir: i have no clue |
| [14:47:55] | wagnerrp: | what distro are you using? |
| [14:47:59] | SQlvpapir: | debian |
| [14:48:30] | SQlvpapir: | trying with xserver-xorg-dev now |
| [14:48:31] | wagnerrp: | you should probably ask the debian people why you cant link to xinerama |
| [14:51:25] | AndyCap: | I'd think there's separate dev and runtime packages of most stuff on debian. but I'm not a user so I don't know |
| [14:51:41] | SQlvpapir: | http://pastebin.com/m739d348a I suppose there is a way to manually link to the proper lib? |
| [14:52:32] | wagnerrp: | theyre all the same library |
| [14:52:49] | wagnerrp: | if you actually looked at the files, you would notice theyre all linked off each other |
| [14:53:07] | wagnerrp: | the .so files are anyway |
| [14:54:32] | wagnerrp: | if you dont know things like this about building source, trunk may not be the best option for you |
| [14:55:02] | wagnerrp: | trunk users are expected to be relatively self sufficient |
| [14:56:41] | tank-man: | SQlvpapir, has anyone else had the same problem as you on the mailing list? |
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| [14:57:32] | SQlvpapir: | tank-man: I cant seem to find anyone with a similar problem |
| [14:58:30] | tank-man: | thats one of the reasons i like slackware, it comes with the headers/libs/source, it expects you to compile stuff |
| [14:59:01] | wagnerrp: | tank-man: its not a mythtv issue, for whatever reason, his system is not set up to build xinerama aware apps |
| [14:59:46] | wagnerrp: | it cant find 'libXinerama.so' |
| [14:59:52] | ** AndyCap is exited about his new mini-itx motherboard, hopefully it will make a decent frontend if the drivers stabilize. :) ** | |
| [14:59:52] | tank-man: | yes, thats what i mean, his distro by default is not setup for him to build and compile stuff |
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| [15:02:25] | tank-man: | AndyCap, have you seen a beagleboard, it is small too but i dont know much about it and mythtv running on it |
| [15:02:51] | AndyCap: | beagleboard? no. |
| [15:02:56] | wagnerrp: | arent beagleboards the system on a stick thing? |
| [15:03:45] | tank-man: | something like that, it has an arm cpu and i think is able to playback hd video |
| [15:04:00] | wagnerrp: | not likely |
| [15:04:12] | AndyCap: | heh, seems it does 720x400 h264 in some fashion at least |
| [15:04:28] | wagnerrp: | not without hardware acceleration |
| [15:04:30] | tank-man: | ive seen youtube videos of it playiing that bunny cartoon HD video |
| [15:04:38] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: oh, it's hardware accelerated |
| [15:04:42] | tank-man: | yea it has hardware acceleration i believe |
| [15:04:53] | wagnerrp: | AndyCap: in a form mythtv is capable of? |
| [15:05:07] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: uhh, is mythtv capable of anything but XvMC? |
| [15:05:17] | wagnerrp: | xvmc and vdpau at current |
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| [15:05:49] | ** AndyCap leaves and reenters to ask about using vpdau, putting on a helmet and flame-resistant underwear first. ** | |
| [15:05:53] | AndyCap: | :) |
| [15:06:15] | wagnerrp: | i didnt think myth supported anything off one of those TI DSPs |
| [15:06:20] | tank-man: | big buck bunny, thats the video i saw it playing |
| [15:06:45] | AndyCap: | anyhoo, I had a little more power in mind. |
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| [15:07:21] | AndyCap: | namely intel dg45fc |
| [15:09:30] | AndyCap: | and if the news reports are to believed one may get vpdau support on it too. :P |
| [15:09:44] | AndyCap: | vdpau.. |
| [15:10:27] | AndyCap: | I guess the proof is in the eating. :) |
| [15:13:52] | wagnerrp: | crap.. i just kicked the power button on my UPS |
| [15:14:26] | AndyCap: | ouch. |
| [15:14:38] | AndyCap: | you didn't have anything important hooked up to it did you? |
| [15:14:39] | AndyCap: | :-P |
| [15:15:14] | wagnerrp: | desktop |
| [15:15:29] | wagnerrp: | except my desktop just contains boot drives and temporary storage |
| [15:15:39] | wagnerrp: | nothing important is stored locally |
| [15:16:07] | AndyCap: | heh, and it gets an UPS, not too shabby. :) |
| [15:16:17] | AndyCap: | got a lot of power outages? |
| [15:16:40] | wagnerrp: | well until a week ago, my server used to be up here |
| [15:16:43] | wagnerrp: | too |
| [15:16:50] | wagnerrp: | now its in the basement |
| [15:19:00] | wagnerrp: | although im going to need to look at the power situation |
| [15:19:13] | wagnerrp: | right now, ive got my desktop running on a 900VA |
| [15:19:34] | wagnerrp: | and the server, one of the fe/be's, and all the networking equipment running off a 800VA |
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| [15:24:56] | SQlvpapir: | thats a lot of juice for a desktop :O |
| [15:25:45] | XLV: | three 1500va here, one each for the two desktops and one for the server, had some 1000va for the htpc, but it died.. got refund though, it was into warranty |
| [15:26:35] | wagnerrp: | between the PSU i have installed, and the three monitors, i can pull the 550W needed for overload |
| [15:26:43] | wagnerrp: | but the computer just isnt that demanding |
| [15:27:36] | wagnerrp: | between the desktop and the server, i had never pulled enough to overload it |
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| [15:36:17] | zrg: | hi folks, got 2 problems i cant find solution for: (0.21.0 on ubuntu) (1) the F7(signal strength) or any other F key in tv view does nothing. (2) cant find option to turn on deinterlacing, wiki says its in Mythfrontend->Utilities Setup->Setup->TV Settings->Playback but not there. ideas? |
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| [15:40:18] | wagnerrp: | zrg: do you have a logitech keyboard? |
| [15:41:40] | zrg: | standard keyboard |
| [15:41:53] | wagnerrp: | so no 'f-lock' type button? |
| [15:42:07] | zrg: | f's work fine elsewhere |
| [15:43:43] | paul-h: | zrg: Did you try Alt+F7 |
| [15:43:53] | zrg: | yes, no luck |
| [15:45:30] | zrg: | any other f combinations that should give visible result? |
| [15:47:07] | paul-h: | Go to "Edit Keys" in the settings pages, select 'TV Playback' in the left column and find the 'SIGMON' binding on the right. What keybinding is set? |
| [15:48:47] | zrg: | Setup/TV Setings? |
| [15:50:56] | paul-h: | Setup/Edit Keys |
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| [15:52:12] | paul-h: | Maybe you need to install MythControls, depends on what version of Myth you are using |
| [15:54:01] | paul-h: | You can also use MythWeb to edit the keybindings if you have that installed |
| [15:54:46] | SQlvpapir: | haha xorg-dev was not installed for some reason :) think that its getting me further with it ;) |
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| [16:05:51] | Marbug: | hmmmmm, when I start mythbackend as a deamon, like this (gentoo): |
| [16:05:54] | Marbug: | /etc/init.d/mythbackend start |
| [16:05:59] | Marbug: | I can't watch TV |
| [16:06:08] | Marbug: | but when I just start it like this: |
| [16:06:12] | Marbug: | mythbackend |
| [16:06:22] | Marbug: | it works :/ |
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| [16:06:28] | Marbug: | how can that be ? |
| [16:06:37] | tanderson: | both as root? |
| [16:06:41] | Marbug: | yes |
| [16:07:44] | tanderson: | does /etc/mythtv have your settings? or just $HOME? |
| [16:08:05] | Marbug: | I have no particalar user on it |
| [16:08:09] | Marbug: | just root |
| [16:08:36] | tanderson: | yeah, but are there the correct mysql settings in /etc/mythtv/ |
| [16:08:57] | Marbug: | hmm I'll check |
| [16:09:35] | Marbug: | btw, when I change the channel it just closes my tv and I need to restart mythbackend |
| [16:10:17] | Marbug: | there is nothing in /etc/mythtv oly an empty .qt dir |
| [16:11:48] | Marbug: | and I have this: /root/.mythtv/themecache/G.A.N.T.1920.1080/ |
| [16:12:11] | tanderson: | is there anything in ~/.mythtv besides themecache? |
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| [16:12:18] | Marbug: | nope nothing |
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| [16:18:46] | tanderson: | weird |
| [16:19:24] | zrg: | paul-h: there is no Setup/Edit Keys |
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| [16:23:00] | wagnerrp: | well the one good thing about accidentally hitting the power button is that whatever was causing my monitors to never shutoff, is now gone |
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| [16:23:31] | wagnerrp: | 61% load on the UPS, estimated 11 minutes run time |
| [16:23:36] | wagnerrp: | not sure if i like that |
| [16:28:14] | Marbug: | so tanderson there should be stuff into the /etc/mythtv dir ? |
| [16:28:22] | kormoc: | My local office depo has apc 1500 va smart upses for $80 |
| [16:28:49] | wagnerrp: | where did you manage those? they usually run for $200 |
| [16:28:54] | paul-h: | zrg: Which version of myth are you using? |
| [16:29:11] | zrg: | (0.21.0 on ubuntu) |
| [16:29:33] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, as i said, my local office depo :) |
| [16:29:47] | kormoc: | office depo is a office store chain |
| [16:30:23] | zrg: | paul-h: Edit Keys appeared after i installed mythcontrols |
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| [16:30:51] | mtnbkr: | wagnerrp: $200 alst time I bought one (4 months aog) it was closer to $500 $80 is a STEAL for an APC Smart-UPS 1500 |
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| [16:31:12] | ** mtnbkr needs to dind an office depo :) ** | |
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| [16:31:32] | kormoc: | I bought two of them instantly when I saw it. I keep pondering going back and buying another two to just have on hand |
| [16:31:45] | zrg: | paul-h: signalmon is alt-f7 |
| [16:31:51] | mtnbkr: | kormoc: I am guessing it was a price misprint. |
| [16:31:57] | wagnerrp: | i thought it was a steal getting my 800 and 900 units for $60 |
| [16:32:03] | mtnbkr: | or they were having a 4 for 1 sale lol |
| [16:32:20] | kormoc: | Not at all, they had it as a 'clearance item' |
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| [16:35:59] | paul-h: | zrg: That must now be the default not F7. You could try adding another binding that doesn't use an F key just to eliminate that, just make sure it doesn't conflict with anything else |
| [16:36:40] | Marbug: | 2009-03–14 17:16:40.328 NVR(/dev/v4l/video0) Error: AudioInit(): /dev/snd : error setting audio input device to 32000kHz/16bits/2channel |
| [16:36:40] | Marbug: | 2009-03–14 17:16:40.328 NVR(/dev/v4l/video0) Error: Could not detect audio blocksize |
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| [16:37:23] | Marbug: | in the video input I've set audio devise to /dev/snd, but when I want to change it in the getup it turns always back |
| [16:37:33] | Marbug: | and /dev/snd exists :o |
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| [16:42:59] | Interface-: | how does it work to use a firewire to change channels, but receive the signal from a tv card? |
| [16:43:00] | Interface-: | i currently have it set up to just use the channels on the cable |
| [16:43:05] | Interface-: | but i'd like to get the whole package so i'll be hooking up an extra cable box, and use that instead |
| [16:43:16] | wagnerrp: | you set up your tuner as normal |
| [16:43:24] | wagnerrp: | but use a external channel change script |
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| [16:44:17] | Interface-: | would you recommend ditching the tv card and go full firewire? i was thinking it'd be more stable receiving the signal over the tv card? |
| [16:45:52] | wagnerrp: | seems there was a 1300VA at office depot last week |
| [16:47:24] | zrg: | paul-h: thanks. ctrl-f7 works and others too, for some reason it cant be set to alt-f7, it displays alt-RECTANGLE, probably something local, noth worth reporting? |
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| [16:57:40] | paul-h: | zrg: cool, odd that alt-f7 doesn't work. Like you say probably something local to your setup so not worth reporting as a bug though |
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| [17:00:07] | zrg: | now there is issue of reversed signal strength %, is this normal? hovers around 28–30% how to know card is getting good signal? |
| [17:01:56] | wagnerrp: | does playback stutter and have problems? |
| [17:02:13] | wagnerrp: | like digital artifacts, pauses, audio errors... |
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| [17:16:25] | zrg: | BE not staying zero is bad right? |
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| [17:34:53] | CCFL_Man2: | J-e-f-f-A: it's about quality, not quantity, there are lots of good unencrypted channels on dvb-s |
| [17:35:38] | Marbug: | how to get you're audio device correct? :/ I have "Philips Semiconductors SAA7134/SAA7135HL Video Broadcast Decoder" and got those in /dev/v4l/ :radio0 vbi0 video0 |
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| [17:52:03] | kormoc: | Marbug, that's not a audio device so there's really not much of a way to get it correct |
| [17:55:39] | Marbug: | so what devise should I set it to? :o |
| [17:56:14] | laga: | you probably need to read the manual |
| [17:56:21] | Marbug: | I did it :/ |
| [17:56:32] | Marbug: | and I'm alreadysearching for it for 6 hours :s |
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| [18:02:33] | Marbug: | btw, do I need to have PCM ? |
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| [18:11:54] | yfaykya: | All my upcoming recordings report the recorder is offline. Where do I look for the problem? |
| [18:13:17] | clever: | zrg: countless people try to explain #mythtv-dev and never win:P |
| [18:16:09] | wagnerrp: | theres a '#mythtv-dev'? |
| [18:17:38] | GreyFoxx: | For a couple days |
| [18:17:52] | GreyFoxx: | I think it auto redirects to here now |
| [18:18:47] | kormoc: | #mythtv-dev #mythtv :Forwarding to another channel |
| [18:18:58] | GreyFoxx: | ahhh |
| [18:19:28] | yfaykya: | greyfoxx : Did you ever figure out where the extra / was coming from in the SG code? |
| [18:19:43] | GreyFoxx: | so far I've yet to reproduce it |
| [18:19:53] | GreyFoxx: | It doesn't happen here at all |
| [18:20:23] | GreyFoxx: | I plan to rewrite that entire bit of GetCoverFile anyway |
| [18:20:32] | yfaykya: | Why so? |
| [18:21:03] | GreyFoxx: | I never liked it, I just wanted to get the remote covers working before I commited the rest of the SG playback stuf |
| [18:21:18] | GreyFoxx: | so it's a bit fugly :) |
| [18:21:39] | yfaykya: | I heard chut say that alright :-) |
| [18:22:06] | GreyFoxx: | And I need to update the popup when a scan detects an unreachable SG to let the user choose to delete the S permanently |
| [18:22:28] | GreyFoxx: | cause many people removing backends will not think to remove their SG's first :) |
| [18:22:35] | yfaykya: | true |
| [18:23:10] | yfaykya: | Are you looking at doing music too? |
| [18:23:19] | GreyFoxx: | and I want to add caching of the lastfound results so it doesn't verify the existance of the remote covers constantly, only if it can't open them |
| [18:23:24] | GreyFoxx: | yes and know |
| [18:23:40] | GreyFoxx: | I have something in the works to make that work as well with minimal changes |
| [18:23:51] | yfaykya: | would be a very nice addition |
| [18:24:03] | yfaykya: | I could get rid of a lot of nfs mounts! |
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| [18:24:11] | GreyFoxx: | ooh, gotta run, heading to see watchmen |
| [18:24:20] | yfaykya: | brill movie |
| [18:24:37] | yfaykya: | nearly 3 hours though so use the toilet! |
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| [18:34:00] | jroysdon: | Ok, I have some weekend time to troubleshoot having two Hauppauge cards in the same box. Anyone have any systems like this and know how to troubleshoot it? |
| [18:34:33] | zrg: | signal strength solved, soldered splitter off the line :)' |
| [18:34:47] | wagnerrp: | dont use the toilet |
| [18:34:51] | wagnerrp: | you must not break the seal |
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| [18:36:18] | zrg: | ok, last issue folks: where is the switch to turn on deinterlacing? |
| [18:37:13] | wagnerrp: | playback profiles |
| [18:37:41] | zrg: | where exactly is that? :) |
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| [18:38:23] | zrg: | signal at 25%, BE=0 :) |
| [18:38:25] | wagnerrp: | frontend setting, tv settings |
| [18:38:57] | wagnerrp: | be is bitstream error (recovery?) |
| [18:39:02] | wagnerrp: | should be at 100 |
| [18:39:06] | RHCT_Tuxi1: | Hi all I just got MythTV on my frees installed Fedora 10, now it ask for some database information. Do I need to make a DB for it to work? |
| [18:39:32] | wagnerrp: | RHCT_Tuxi1: read the manual |
| [18:40:33] | RHCT_Tuxi1: | wagnerrp but I can only find some links for a complete installation distributions. I would love to find a MythTV HOWTO start using |
| [18:40:44] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is not something you can just 'wing' |
| [18:40:46] | jroysdon: | RHCT_Tuxi1, how did you install, via a Fedora 10 install or via MythDora 10 (which is Fedora 10 + MythTV all ready to go and automated)? |
| [18:40:50] | wagnerrp: | you must read the manual |
| [18:40:57] | wagnerrp: | try the mythtv wiki |
| [18:41:07] | wagnerrp: | try the official documentation |
| [18:41:08] | RHCT_Tuxi1: | jroysdon I yum mythtv on my F10 |
| [18:41:14] | jroysdon: | MythDora allows you to read the manual less |
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| [18:41:19] | wagnerrp: | look for a howto on your specific distro |
| [18:41:28] | RHCT_Tuxi1: | jroysdon from atrpms |
| [18:41:35] | jroysdon: | RHCT_Tuxi1, my suggestions is to backup your data and reinstall MythDora 10 |
| [18:41:48] | jroysdon: | RHCT_Tuxi1, is this to be a dedicated MythTV box? |
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| [18:42:18] | RHCT_Tuxi1: | jroysdon why? I would love to run it, but I want to install my OS self after all it is just an application |
| [18:42:25] | BLACKthroat: | Am I able to hook up my Playstation to my hauppage 350? |
| [18:42:52] | wagnerrp: | RHCT_Tuxi1: on the first page of any manual or howto you come across, it should tell you mysql is required |
| [18:42:57] | jroysdon: | RHCT_Tuxi1, then read the MythTV manuals and figure it all out. I offer a simpler solution for you if you can dedicate this box to MythTV or re-install your other items |
| [18:43:07] | wagnerrp: | since you dont know that basic fact, go read the manual |
| [18:43:36] | RHCT_Tuxi1: | jroysdon I'll give it a try... then maybe reinstall |
| [18:43:47] | jroysdon: | Myself, I waited to jump into MythTV until MythDora existed... installed take 2 hours to get all done, vs. weekend after weekend to do it all yourself. |
| [18:44:01] | RHCT_Tuxi1: | jroysdon but until then thanks for the helpful links you gave me |
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| [18:44:47] | jroysdon: | http://www.mythdora.com/ |
| [18:46:13] | jroysdon: | Anyone have any experience with two Hauppauge cards in the same system? |
| [18:46:22] | wagnerrp: | jroysdon: yes |
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| [18:46:47] | jroysdon: | wagnerrp, any problems getting it to understand that there are two? Mine doesn't seem to like it |
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| [18:47:00] | jroysdon: | I've a PVR500 and PVR1600 |
| [18:47:13] | jroysdon: | (I just added the PVR1600 to add DTV support) |
| [18:47:35] | jroysdon: | I believe now it doesn't appear to be able to access my PVR500's dual tuners |
| [18:49:42] | wagnerrp: | check dmesg to see why they didnt load properly |
| [18:50:04] | jroysdon: | cx18–0: Failed to initialize on minor 0 |
| [18:50:08] | jroysdon: | twice |
| [18:50:09] | wagnerrp: | i know at least several years ago, you had to have multiple entries of modprobe for different cards |
| [18:50:20] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if the ivtv drivers have grown beyond that |
| [18:50:31] | jroysdon: | hmm, some more errors. Lemme spit it out to a pastebin |
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| [18:57:56] | jroysdon: | wagnerrp, dmesg output: http://pastebin.com/d9d72b7d |
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| [19:06:52] | Lexridge: | quick question: Does anyone know if mythfrontend would work on an Acer Aspire One with say Fedora 10 installed on it? |
| [19:07:27] | gbee: | works native on my AA1 |
| [19:07:45] | gbee: | not going to do AVC, but does fine with SD |
| [19:07:50] | Lexridge: | what about HD viewing? Does that work too? |
| [19:08:00] | Lexridge: | okay |
| [19:08:12] | gbee: | Lexridge: mpeg2 maybe, but it will never do AVC |
| [19:08:28] | Lexridge: | avc=h264 I'd assume |
| [19:08:46] | gbee: | uh-huh |
| [19:09:22] | Lexridge: | okay. Well, today is my b-day, so I'm thinking of rushing out and buying a AA1 as a b-day present. ;) |
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| [19:09:39] | slayven: | good evening everyone |
| [19:09:53] | Lexridge: | staples has the 160gb model on sale for 299 |
| [19:09:54] | gbee: | happy birthday :) |
| [19:09:58] | Lexridge: | thanks gbee |
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| [19:10:25] | zrg: | wagnerrp: wiki says at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Deinterlacing that interlacing controls are Utilities Setup->Setup->TV Settings->Playback , cant find any :( |
| [19:11:40] | Lexridge: | gbee: how well does it work wirelessly using SD and mythfrontend? |
| [19:11:43] | gbee: | prefer my SSD model, no HDD to trash when I throw it around :) |
| [19:12:11] | Lexridge: | gbee: I like the idea of SSD, but just not enough storage yet for my needs. |
| [19:12:16] | Dibblah: | Screen is still vulnerable, though, as someone I know found out... |
| [19:12:26] | Dibblah: | And surprisingly expensive to replace. |
| [19:13:19] | gbee: | Lexridge: as good as any wireless, which means that it depends on a lot of factors – the wireless is good but it's not invunerable to walls/interference etc |
| [19:13:57] | jroysdon: | wagnerrp, any idea from that dmesg output? http://pastebin.com/d9d72b7d |
| [19:14:05] | Lexridge: | yes, I assumed all that, of course. Good news. Well, I'm off to staples. thanks gbee |
| [19:14:07] | gbee: | Lexridge: mine doesn't replace my desktop (or laptop for that matter), 8Gb + whatever I store on SD cards is more than enough for my needs |
| [19:14:39] | jroysdon: | Worst case, I'm going to pull this pvr1600 out and move it upstairs to a server that I'll stick in the attic... I think I'm going to make a coat hanger DTV OTA |
| [19:14:42] | ** jduggan uses an aa1 on a daily basis ** | |
| [19:14:49] | Lexridge: | gbee: I plan to also use it as a guitar processor in my band. Nice and compact design makes it easy to hide. |
| [19:14:53] | jduggan: | i have 8gb ssd for / |
| [19:15:00] | jduggan: | and i have a 16gb ssd for /home |
| [19:15:07] | jduggan: | more than enough for a netbook |
| [19:15:32] | gbee: | and I also liked the price better – £220 at the time I bought it |
| [19:15:41] | jduggan: | i got mine 199quid |
| [19:15:43] | jduggan: | from currys |
| [19:15:43] | jduggan: | :D |
| [19:15:59] | Lexridge: | the linux models come with SSD, the WinXp models come with HDD, near as I can tell. |
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| [19:16:02] | gbee: | jduggan: I was an early adopter :) Had it pre-ordered etc |
| [19:16:09] | jduggan: | ah |
| [19:16:17] | jduggan: | i got mine as soon as i could walk into a shop and get it |
| [19:16:34] | Lexridge: | off to staples. cya and thanks. |
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| [19:16:59] | gbee: | yeah, two-three weeks after I got mine the bastards dropped the price :) |
| [19:16:59] | jduggan: | im a network engineer so i use mine mainly in racks where there's not much space |
| [19:17:18] | jduggan: | i use it quite often as a console terminal to console into routers/switches etc |
| [19:17:24] | gbee: | but I wanted it enough that I wasn't really too bothered |
| [19:18:44] | jduggan: | the best thing is |
| [19:18:53] | jduggan: | it even runs myth frontend fine :P |
| [19:18:59] | jduggan: | so i watch some episodes in bed sometimes.. |
| [19:19:00] | wagnerrp: | zrg: you have to edit one of the playback profiles, its on the second page |
| [19:19:00] | jduggan: | using it |
| [19:19:00] | jduggan: | ;P |
| [19:19:22] | gbee: | works well with the video streaming stuff in trunk |
| [19:20:33] | gbee: | great for taking with me to archives too, much easier than hauling my laptop around |
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| [19:24:25] | wagnerrp: | jroysdon: from what i see, the 500 is working properly, connected to video1 and video4 |
| [19:24:46] | wagnerrp: | while the 1600 never initialized the mpeg encoder, only providing access to the framegrabber |
| [19:25:22] | jroysdon: | ah, but worse, the 1600 is making only one tuner on the 500 work |
| [19:25:36] | jroysdon: | (or perhaps it is both 500 tuners don't work and only one 1600 tuner) |
| [19:25:48] | jroysdon: | I'll be ripping it apart in a bit to test both ways, with just one card at a time |
| [19:26:15] | wagnerrp: | im going to say both tuners on the 500 work just fine |
| [19:26:21] | wagnerrp: | it just threw off your numbering |
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| [19:26:30] | wagnerrp: | as i said, they are now 1 and 4 |
| [19:26:39] | wagnerrp: | you are probably still trying to access 1 and 2 |
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| [19:29:39] | jroysdon: | ah, I'm guessing you are right |
| [19:29:55] | BLACKthroat: | Hey so I mentioned this earlier, I would like to hook up my PSone to my Hauppauge 350. Is this possible and if so, could you point me in the right direction to accomplish this? |
| [19:30:00] | jroysdon: | So, which order do you think I should try first? The pvr1600 solo to see if it'll even work? |
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| [19:33:48] | jroysdon: | I have all of these: /dev/video0 /dev/video1 /dev/video2 /dev/video24 /dev/video25 /dev/video3 /dev/video32 /dev/video33 /dev/video4 |
| [19:33:54] | jroysdon: | How do I know which are "real" or how they are mapped? |
| [19:34:28] | styelz: | anyone know why i would be getting 2 recordings of every channel i watch, one file is empty, the other is fine.. but when i highlight the empty files it auto deletes both recordings. for live TV anyway |
| [19:36:28] | jroysdon: | ok, I switched /dev/video0 to /dev/video4, it likes that better |
| [19:38:00] | jroysdon: | err, it appeared to, but now failed. For the pvr500, do I specific /dev/video1 two times, or use video1 and video4? |
| [19:38:33] | logik__: | is there still a requirement for setting X to use 100 DPI? |
| [19:38:41] | wagnerrp: | video1 and video4 |
| [19:38:52] | wagnerrp: | linux interprets the pvr500 as two individual cards |
| [19:39:16] | jroysdon: | ok, that's right. What about video24, and so on? What are those |
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| [19:39:36] | wagnerrp: | one is audio capture, the other is frame capture, i dont remember which is which |
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| [19:41:33] | jroysdon: | ok, tuner4 is mapped to /dev/video1 and the only one really still working. The others are having problems, I think due to the pvr1600 |
| [19:41:40] | jroysdon: | I'm going to pull it out and see how things look w/o it |
| [19:41:54] | wagnerrp: | well if you pull it, everything will get renumbered again |
| [19:42:13] | clever: | do they all use ivtv or are they seperate? |
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| [19:42:30] | wagnerrp: | a 500 and a 1600, both should be using ivtv |
| [19:42:32] | jroysdon: | clever, ivtv is how they are set |
| [19:42:33] | wagnerrp: | what kernel? |
| [19:42:45] | jroysdon: | 2.6.27.19–170.2.35.fc10.x86_64 |
| [19:42:49] | clever: | wagnerrp: i was thinking you could unload the module for a card instead of pulling the whole card |
| [19:42:53] | jroysdon: | (MythDora 10.21) |
| [19:43:02] | clever: | so the numbers of the rest would stay put |
| [19:43:08] | jroysdon: | clever, ah, I see |
| [19:43:27] | jroysdon: | unload cx18,ivtv? |
| [19:43:30] | clever: | but the drivers load in a semi-random order at bootup, so they may change later on |
| [19:44:34] | clever: | i would just make a few udev rules to add static symlinks |
| [19:44:37] | clever: | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 2009-03–05 13:00 videopixart -> video0 |
| [19:44:45] | clever: | like that one i made for accessing the pixart webcam |
| [19:45:08] | clever: | unload and reloading the driver should do for testing those rules |
| [19:45:28] | jroysdon: | ack, ok, a bit over my head on the symlinks as I don't know what is what, but I'll come back to that in a second |
| [19:45:33] | jroysdon: | How do I know what driver to unload? |
| [19:45:56] | clever: | lshw|less (as root) |
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| [19:46:40] | clever: | *-multimedia |
| [19:46:42] | clever: | product: iTVC16 (CX23416) MPEG-2 Encoder |
| [19:46:43] | jroysdon: | I have no lshw – what is that from/part of so I could install it? |
| [19:46:44] | clever: | configuration: driver=ivtv latency=64 maxlatency=8 mingnt=128 module=ivtv |
| [19:47:00] | clever: | it shows info like that for the whole damn system |
| [19:47:11] | jroysdon: | I don't have lshw... |
| [19:47:16] | clever: | the key bit it shows in that paste is that my pvr150 card is handled by the ivtv module |
| [19:47:21] | clever: | you can probly install it |
| [19:47:27] | jroysdon: | lemme look |
| [19:47:39] | jroysdon: | yup |
| [19:47:49] | jroysdon: | installing it now |
| [19:49:29] | jroysdon: | ok, but I don't know which card this is for (I think for the pvr1600): product: CX23418 Single-Chip MPEG-2 Encoder with Integrated Analog Video/Broadcast Audio Decoder |
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| [19:50:24] | clever: | is the pvr1600 a digital card? |
| [19:50:45] | jroysdon: | yes, well, it is both a digital and analog (two tuners, each one does only digital or analog) |
| [19:52:10] | clever: | do you know what video0 currently is? |
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| [19:52:23] | jroysdon: | video0 fails to work, only video1 works |
| [19:52:31] | clever: | ah |
| [19:52:36] | clever: | udevinfo -a -p $(udevinfo -q path -n /dev/video1) |
| [19:52:45] | clever: | stick the output from that on pastebin.com |
| [19:52:59] | jroysdon: | http://jason.roysdon.net/lshw_20090314all.txt |
| [19:53:08] | jroysdon: | lemme get that last request |
| [19:53:12] | clever: | or your own site:) |
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| [19:54:37] | jroysdon: | http://jason.roysdon.net/udevinfo_dev_video1_20090314all.txt |
| [19:55:05] | clever: | do you have a video2 and/or video3? |
| [19:55:27] | jroysdon: | in /dev, yes |
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| [19:55:34] | jroysdon: | but they don't appear to work |
| [19:56:02] | clever: | lets have a look at the udevinfo for video2 and 3 |
| [19:56:06] | jroysdon: | /dev/video /dev/video0 /dev/video1 /dev/video2 /dev/video24 /dev/video25 /dev/video3 /dev/video32 /dev/video33 /dev/video4 |
| [19:56:14] | clever: | ahh just 2 |
| [19:56:16] | jroysdon: | no 3, but lemme get the output for 0, 2 and 4 |
| [19:56:17] | clever: | and 3 |
| [19:56:24] | jroysdon: | err, there is a 3 |
| [19:56:26] | clever: | 3 is between 25 and 32 |
| [19:56:28] | jroysdon: | ok, so which do you want to see? |
| [19:56:33] | jroysdon: | (gotcha) |
| [19:56:34] | clever: | 2 3 and 4 |
| [19:56:40] | clever: | and maybe 0 |
| [19:58:16] | jroysdon: | ok, all are uploaded, just change the filename |
| [19:58:38] | jroysdon: | err, not, hold on |
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| [19:58:42] | clever: | The requested URL /udevinfo_dev_video2_20090314all.txt was not found on this server. |
| [19:59:02] | jroysdon: | there, fixed it |
| [19:59:12] | jroysdon: | 0–4 are there now |
| [19:59:49] | jroysdon: | I'd love to know how you can tell what is what card. The way I'd do it I think is to pull one at a time and check again |
| [20:00:11] | clever: | video1 and video2 appear to use the ivtv driver |
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| [20:00:32] | clever: | video0 video3 and video4 are using cx18–0 |
| [20:01:11] | clever: | if video1 works, then video2 should work identicaly |
| [20:01:15] | jroysdon: | so 1–2 are probably the pvr500, and 0,3,4 are the pvr1600? Just guessing here... |
| [20:01:21] | clever: | sounds about right |
| [20:01:31] | jroysdon: | Yes, I believe video1 works. Lemme test again. But I don't think I could get it to see/use video2 |
| [20:02:49] | jroysdon: | Yes, /dev/video1 works, but /dev/video2 fails to open |
| [20:02:55] | clever: | which error? |
| [20:03:13] | jroysdon: | In mythtv setup, it shows Probed info: Failed ot open |
| [20:03:25] | jroysdon: | How else can I test or get output? |
| [20:03:27] | clever: | cat /dev/video2 > /tmp/test.mpg |
| [20:03:40] | clever: | after ~5–10 seconds hit ctrl+c and try playing the file |
| [20:04:59] | jroysdon: | ah-hah, permission denied from mythtv user |
| [20:05:11] | jroysdon: | (I tested on video1 first, which worked, but permission denied on video2) |
| [20:05:33] | jroysdon: | both are owned by root and appear to have the same permissions, but one has "+" at the end of the crw stuff |
| [20:05:39] | jroysdon: | video1 has the "+" |
| [20:05:42] | jroysdon: | Not sure what the means |
| [20:05:51] | jroysdon: | How can you see the permissions in numeric form? |
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| [20:06:16] | clever: | use 'stat' to see it in numbers |
| [20:06:27] | clever: | stat /dev/video0 |
| [20:06:28] | clever: | Access: (0660/crw-rw----) Uid: ( 0/ root) Gid: ( 44/ video) |
| [20:06:59] | clever: | using udev you can easily put all the video devices into the 'video' group, and then give mythtv permision to access them |
| [20:07:07] | jroysdon: | both are 0660/crw-rw---- |
| [20:07:25] | clever: | what group owns them |
| [20:07:33] | jroysdon: | root owns both |
| [20:07:38] | clever: | root/root? |
| [20:07:42] | jroysdon: | yes |
| [20:07:51] | jroysdon: | does not make sense |
| [20:08:06] | jroysdon: | crw-rw----+ 1 root root 81, 1 2009-03–14 13:00 /dev/video1 |
| [20:08:06] | jroysdon: | crw-rw---- 1 root root 81, 2 2009-03–14 13:00 /dev/video2 |
| [20:08:19] | clever: | open /etc/udev/rules.d/40-permissions.rules and add this line |
| [20:08:19] | jroysdon: | The difference is the + at the end of video1, but I have no idea what that means |
| [20:08:23] | clever: | SUBSYSTEM=="video4linux", GROUP="video" |
| [20:08:37] | clever: | then rmmod ivtv and modprobe -v ivtv |
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| [20:09:02] | jroysdon: | I have no 40-permissions.rules, but I will create it |
| [20:09:49] | jroysdon: | ok, done |
| [20:10:01] | clever: | now the files should be in the video group |
| [20:10:04] | jroysdon: | ah, now it has a + |
| [20:10:09] | clever: | crw-rw---- 1 root video 81, 0 2009-03–05 13:00 /dev/video0 |
| [20:10:21] | jroysdon: | crw-rw----+ 1 root root 81, 1 2009-03–14 13:09 /dev/video1 |
| [20:10:21] | jroysdon: | crw-rw----+ 1 root root 81, 2 2009-03–14 13:09 /dev/video2 |
| [20:10:28] | jroysdon: | (video 0 still does not though, but that is the other card) |
| [20:10:30] | jroysdon: | lemme test |
| [20:10:32] | clever: | maybe you need to create video |
| [20:10:47] | jroysdon: | I have /dev/video which is a symlink to /dev/video0 |
| [20:10:55] | clever: | grep video /etc/group |
| [20:11:22] | jroysdon: | none |
| [20:11:34] | jroysdon: | but I have permission now to access video2 |
| [20:11:38] | clever: | that would explain it |
| [20:11:40] | jroysdon: | lemme check the test files |
| [20:11:41] | clever: | odd |
| [20:12:39] | clever: | if you run 'addgroup --system video' youll get the 'proper' video group |
| [20:12:51] | clever: | then reload ivtv again so the device nodes are owned by it |
| [20:13:49] | jroysdon: | groupadd, you mean, ok, lemme do that |
| [20:13:55] | jroysdon: | and the test of video2 was successful |
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| [20:14:19] | clever: | groupadd works a tad differently, just 'groupadd video' i think |
| [20:15:02] | jroysdon: | I don't have an addgroup |
| [20:15:16] | jroysdon: | but I did add a video group |
| [20:15:31] | clever: | then we reload it with another rmmod and modprobe on ivtv |
| [20:15:41] | jroysdon: | should I add mythtv to that group and change the permissions to /dev/video* to be owned by root,video ? |
| [20:15:54] | jroysdon: | Yeah, did that, and can still access video1–2, but not video0 |
| [20:16:06] | clever: | the permisions for the ivtv cards should be root,video |
| [20:16:11] | clever: | and yes, add mythtv to the group |
| [20:18:10] | jroysdon: | odd, when I removed the modules, the owners went back to root:root |
| [20:18:14] | clever: | i think a 'rmmod cx18;modprobe cx18' will reload the pvr1600 and make them owned by the video group |
| [20:18:17] | jroysdon: | except for video0, which I still cannot get to |
| [20:18:25] | clever: | yeah thats what udev is supposed to solve |
| [20:18:35] | clever: | ps aux|udev |
| [20:18:46] | jroysdon: | nah, they are all owned by root:root |
| [20:18:50] | clever: | oops |
| [20:18:52] | clever: | ps aux|grep udev |
| [20:19:01] | jroysdon: | it is running |
| [20:19:47] | clever: | not shure why they arent owned by the video group:S |
| [20:19:48] | jroysdon: | Do I need to add something in /etc/udev/rules.d/40-permissions.rules for the pvr1600? |
| [20:20:23] | clever: | if you look at http://jason.roysdon.net/udevinfo_dev_video3_20090314all.txt youll see that the pvr1600 is also in the 'video4linux' subsystem and will fall under the same rule |
| [20:21:54] | jroysdon: | I don't know, but I can access video2 just fine now. However, video0,3,4 all get "No such device or address" |
| [20:22:14] | jroysdon: | (I just changed them to be owned by mythtv for a test) |
| [20:22:36] | clever: | not shure how the pvr1600 is meant to work |
| [20:22:49] | jroysdon: | ugh |
| [20:22:54] | clever: | but the pvr500 is basicaly a pair of pvr150's on a single card |
| [20:22:59] | jroysdon: | right |
| [20:23:28] | jroysdon: | I believe the pvr1600 is a analog tuner and a digital tuner (two separate tuners) on the same card |
| [20:23:49] | jroysdon: | I'm not sure if the analog support works on the pvr1600, but I bought it for the digital feature for ota |
| [20:23:55] | clever: | lets try adding this to /etc/udev/rules.d/10-local.rules |
| [20:24:19] | clever: | KERNELS=="0000:04:08.0", SYMLINK+="pvr500a" |
| [20:24:25] | clever: | KERNELS=="0000:04:09.0", SYMLINK+="pvr500b" |
| [20:24:43] | clever: | then reload ivtv again |
| [20:25:32] | jroysdon: | ok, one sec, trying to make /dev/video2 and see it work in mythtv |
| [20:25:40] | clever: | should now have a /dev/pvr500a and /dev/pvr500b |
| [20:25:46] | jroysdon: | (I added those lines to the file, just don't want to rmmod just yet) |
| [20:26:11] | jroysdon: | both appear available in status |
| [20:27:51] | jroysdon: | ok, two tuners both recording at one time, on to your next step |
| [20:28:08] | clever: | can you also see /dev/pvr500a ? |
| [20:28:20] | jroysdon: | (I'm not sure I need it though, the permissions thing on the pvr500 is good). Do you think what you're having me do will fix the pvr1600? |
| [20:28:43] | clever: | the problem is that sometimes the pvr500 driver will load before the pvr1600 |
| [20:28:50] | clever: | causing it to become video0 and video1 |
| [20:28:57] | jroysdon: | rmmod ah, ok |
| [20:29:03] | jroysdon: | rmmod ivtv ? |
| [20:29:06] | clever: | yep |
| [20:29:10] | clever: | then modprobe ivtv |
| [20:29:40] | jroysdon: | heh, ok, I have both of those, but they are mapped to radio0 |
| [20:29:43] | jroysdon: | (symlinks) |
| [20:29:46] | clever: | oops |
| [20:30:05] | clever: | lets try SUBSYSTEM=="video4linux", KERNELS=="0000:04:08.0", SYMLINK+="pvr500a" |
| [20:30:13] | clever: | SUBSYSTEM=="video4linux", KERNELS=="0000:04:09.0", SYMLINK+="pvr500b" |
| [20:30:20] | jroysdon: | ok |
| [20:30:21] | clever: | then reload the module again |
| [20:30:51] | jroysdon: | radio0 and video33 now |
| [20:30:57] | jroysdon: | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 2009-03–14 13:30 /dev/pvr500a -> radio0 |
| [20:30:57] | jroysdon: | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 2009-03–14 13:30 /dev/pvr500b -> video33 |
| [20:31:04] | clever: | lol |
| [20:31:37] | clever: | udevinfo -a -p $(udevinfo -q path -n /dev/video33) |
| [20:31:40] | clever: | udevinfo -a -p $(udevinfo -q path -n /dev/radio0) |
| [20:31:55] | clever: | if we know what the key difference are, we can modify the rule to check for them |
| [20:32:18] | jroysdon: | ok |
| [20:33:39] | jroysdon: | ok, same locations: http://jason.roysdon.net/udevinfo_dev_video33_20090314all.txt |
| [20:33:45] | jroysdon: | http://jason.roysdon.net/udevinfo_dev_radio0_20090314all.txt |
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| [20:34:20] | clever: | ahhh, the index! |
| [20:34:38] | clever: | ATTR{index}=="0", SUBSYSTEM=="video4linux", KERNELS=="0000:04:08.0", SYMLINK+="pvr500a" |
| [20:34:44] | clever: | ATTR{index}=="0", SUBSYSTEM=="video4linux", KERNELS=="0000:04:09.0", SYMLINK+="pvr500b" |
| [20:34:48] | clever: | i think |
| [20:35:20] | clever: | the pvr500 is acting as 2 seperate pci devices |
| [20:35:35] | clever: | while the pvr1600 is acting as 1 device with 3 capture sources |
| [20:35:38] | Tomas-: | doh! |
| [20:35:42] | laga: | for the love of god, i wish beww would stop ranting |
| [20:35:44] | clever: | thats what it looks like from the info here |
| [20:35:46] | ** Tomas- just livetested his UPS ** | |
| [20:35:51] | Tomas-: | it failed :/ |
| [20:36:58] | Tomas-: | was trying to find a faulty fuse for the kitchen, removed the wrong one i.e. computers and the UPS started to beep and everything shut down |
| [20:37:27] | Tomas-: | guess I need to change the batteries |
| [20:37:44] | clever: | my UPS runs on a set of 3 baterys in paralel |
| [20:37:59] | clever: | i can easily remove 2 of them without any outage to switch baterys |
| [20:38:04] | Tomas-: | nice |
| [20:38:16] | clever: | but if i remove all 3, it fails, even when connected to the wall |
| [20:38:19] | Tomas-: | this is a APC UPS, small version, like 700 or 1000VA |
| [20:38:33] | clever: | mine came with a pair of dead 6v cells |
| [20:38:57] | clever: | i choped the plugs off and wired it to a set of car batery sized things |
| [20:39:00] | Tomas-: | the irritating thing is that it showed 50% load.... http://attitydhora.webservices.se/munin/webse . . . _pl-week.png |
| [20:39:02] | kormoc: | Batteries only last a year or two |
| [20:39:23] | clever: | kormoc: the UPS my dad was fixing at work was reading only 50% charge |
| [20:39:33] | clever: | after he replaced the baterys, it still read 50% |
| [20:39:51] | Tomas-: | clever: do you have any problems with charging the batteries in normal operation i.e. when running on mains? |
| [20:39:52] | clever: | something is broken |
| [20:40:07] | clever: | Tomas-: i have to keep atleast 1 batery connected to the ups at all times |
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| [20:40:16] | kormoc: | Oh gawd, don't do that and don't listen to clever if he tells you to |
| [20:40:18] | clever: | it seems like its allways inverting dc->ac |
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| [20:40:38] | clever: | and if i remove the 'buffer' storage it fails instantly |
| [20:40:41] | Tomas-: | clever: i think most ups's work that way |
| [20:40:55] | clever: | the ac is also too dirty for my t2100 toshiba laptop |
| [20:40:57] | jroysdon: | sorry, lost my connection |
| [20:41:19] | jroysdon: | http://jason.roysdon.net/udevinfo_dev_radio0_20090314all.txt and http://jason.roysdon.net/udevinfo_dev_video33_20090314all.txt |
| [20:41:26] | clever: | ahhh, the index! |
| [20:41:30] | clever: | ATTR{index}=="0", SUBSYSTEM=="video4linux", KERNELS=="0000:04:08.0", SYMLINK+="pvr500a" |
| [20:41:32] | jroysdon: | (didn't see anything you said after I pasted that info) |
| [20:41:33] | clever: | ATTR{index}=="0", SUBSYSTEM=="video4linux", KERNELS=="0000:04:09.0", SYMLINK+="pvr500b" |
| [20:41:37] | jroysdon: | ah, I see |
| [20:41:37] | clever: | the pvr500 is acting as 2 seperate pci devices |
| [20:41:37] | clever: | while the pvr1600 is acting as 1 device with 3 capture sources |
| [20:41:38] | jroysdon: | ok |
| [20:41:41] | jroysdon: | gotcha |
| [20:41:43] | jroysdon: | interesting |
| [20:41:51] | jroysdon: | lemme fix the file |
| [20:42:45] | jroysdon: | ok, looks better now, they are mapped right |
| [20:42:56] | clever: | good:) |
| [20:42:59] | jroysdon: | what next? fix the capture devices in mythtv? |
| [20:43:08] | clever: | yeah that would be the next step |
| [20:43:19] | clever: | add pvr500a and pvr500b in mythtv-setup as seperate devices |
| [20:43:22] | jroysdon: | map to pvr500a |
| [20:43:22] | jroysdon: | right |
| [20:43:24] | clever: | and get them working for capture |
| [20:43:42] | jroysdon: | just chanve what was /dev/video1 to pvr500b and /dev/video4 to pvr500a, right? |
| [20:44:12] | clever: | video2 -> pvr500b |
| [20:44:19] | clever: | video1 -> pvr500a |
| [20:44:32] | clever: | both should be set as ivtv devices i beleive |
| [20:44:45] | jroysdon: | right, I didn't delete them, just changed their paths |
| [20:44:51] | jroysdon: | (they were already ivtv devives) |
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| [20:44:58] | clever: | good:) |
| [20:45:34] | BLACKthroat: | Ok, so I have my psone working using the RF adapter running through mythtv frontend on channel 3, but it is rather slow. what can i do to speed it up? |
| [20:45:36] | clever: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HVR-1600 this card next? |
| [20:45:50] | jroysdon: | yup |
| [20:45:54] | clever: | nice |
| [20:45:57] | jroysdon: | ok, both pvr500s are working |
| [20:46:00] | clever: | i was looking into buying one of those |
| [20:46:15] | jroysdon: | $108 from Hauppauge USA |
| [20:46:21] | jroysdon: | came with the remote too and blaster stuff |
| [20:46:23] | clever: | theres one at a local store |
| [20:46:28] | jroysdon: | (I already had one, but still, it's cool) |
| [20:46:32] | jroysdon: | so now I have two remotes |
| [20:46:33] | clever: | i forget what the price tag was |
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| [20:47:13] | jroysdon: | ok, so any idea what the next stpe on the hvr1600 is? |
| [20:47:19] | clever: | reading the link i pasted |
| [20:47:23] | jroysdon: | ok |
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| [20:48:20] | clever: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HVR-1600#Installation_Guide |
| [20:48:26] | jroysdon: | 03:08.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant Systems, Inc. CX23418 Single-Chip MPEG-2 Encoder with Integrated Analog Video/Broadcast Audio Decoder |
| [20:48:31] | clever: | near the bottom it explains seting up the 2 halves of the card |
| [20:48:32] | jroysdon: | It shows up just fine, no unknown |
| [20:48:36] | jroysdon: | ok |
| [20:48:44] | clever: | adding the analog and digital sides seperately |
| [20:48:52] | clever: | 'Treating the analog half of the card as an ivtv based card in MythTV works as the cx18 driver is heavily based on (i.e. cut and pasted from) the ivtv driver. ' |
| [20:49:07] | jroysdon: | ah |
| [20:49:23] | jroysdon: | as I already have the cx18 module, I don't have to compile and such, right? |
| [20:49:29] | clever: | correct |
| [20:49:37] | clever: | can just skip over that whole section |
| [20:50:18] | jroysdon: | ok, it detected the card, but I see this in dmesg: |
| [20:50:19] | jroysdon: | cx18–0: unable to open firmware v4l-cx23418-apu.fw |
| [20:50:24] | jroysdon: | that a big deal? |
| [20:50:35] | clever: | that would cause everything to fail:P |
| [20:50:44] | jroysdon: | lol, which is where I'm probably at |
| [20:50:59] | jroysdon: | so I do need to work on compiling it from scratch? |
| [20:51:03] | clever: | nope |
| [20:51:08] | clever: | you just need to get the firmware files |
| [20:51:10] | jroysdon: | or just getting the firmwrare |
| [20:51:10] | jroysdon: | ok |
| [20:51:23] | clever: | its explained in the section just after compiling the driver |
| [20:51:28] | jroysdon: | wonder if there is an rpm for it (I see the link, but prefer rpms for yum updates) |
| [20:51:30] | clever: | but it may also have a package in mythdora |
| [20:51:33] | jroysdon: | right, I see it, wget http://dl.ivtvdriver.org/ivtv/firmware/cx18-firmware.tar.gz |
| [20:52:00] | clever: | the firmware runs on the card itself |
| [20:52:18] | jroysdon: | right, but I have to download the software, which it complains I don't have on my hdd |
| [20:52:28] | jroysdon: | I would rather get it via yum/rpm then manually placing a file |
| [20:52:33] | clever: | yeah |
| [20:52:41] | jroysdon: | (if possible) |
| [20:52:54] | jroysdon: | chechking for cx18 packages |
| [20:52:57] | clever: | the firmware is in the linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-xx-generic package on ubuntu |
| [20:53:23] | jroysdon: | cx18-firmware.noarch 20080628–1 fedora |
| [20:53:23] | jroysdon: | for me |
| [20:53:30] | clever: | that sounds perfect |
| [20:53:39] | jroysdon: | yup, now rmmod cx18 and load it again? |
| [20:53:45] | clever: | install and then rmmod cx18;modprobe cx18 |
| [20:53:55] | clever: | and dmesg|tail -n20 to see the status info it printed |
| [20:54:04] | jroysdon: | loadd, yeah |
| [20:54:11] | jroysdon: | loaded the firemware, yup |
| [20:54:16] | jroysdon: | as video0 |
| [20:54:19] | clever: | now it should work without any trouble |
| [20:54:23] | jroysdon: | woot |
| [20:54:26] | jroysdon: | lemme try |
| [20:54:49] | jroysdon: | now I have to build an DTV antenae, heh |
| [20:54:55] | jroysdon: | gonna try the coathanger thing |
| [20:57:10] | jroysdon: | added the dvb/atsc just fine, I think |
| [20:58:44] | clever: | will probly need to do the same udev stuff for the new card |
| [20:58:51] | clever: | once we figure out which nodes we actualy need |
| [20:59:06] | clever: | vide0 is analog, so which one(video3 video4) is digital |
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| [21:00:20] | jroysdon: | it didn't add it like that |
| [21:00:32] | jroysdon: | it was a DVB, so I just told it DVB 0 |
| [21:00:47] | clever: | ah |
| [21:00:51] | clever: | that reminds me |
| [21:00:59] | clever: | dvd cards show up under /dev/dvd/ i think |
| [21:01:02] | clever: | dvb* |
| [21:01:03] | jroysdon: | DVBInput is what I put it as |
| [21:01:14] | jroysdon: | (it auto-detected, actually) |
| [21:01:23] | clever: | its probly dvb0 since you only have 1 digital card |
| [21:01:27] | jroysdon: | right |
| [21:01:31] | clever: | wont be a problem till you get more digitals |
| [21:01:45] | clever: | so we would only need to setup video0 in udev for analog capture |
| [21:01:52] | jroysdon: | when watching livetv, how can I select the tuner? |
| [21:01:58] | clever: | Y or C i think |
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| [21:02:04] | clever: | might also be an option under M |
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| [21:02:24] | clever: | you could also try to record 5 channels at once by just setting up a few rules |
| [21:02:33] | jroysdon: | waiting for mythfill to update things |
| [21:03:16] | jroysdon: | ah, and the new tuners are not available, probably permissions again |
| [21:03:33] | jroysdon: | hmm, but all look the same |
| [21:03:37] | jroysdon: | (they have the +) |
| [21:03:49] | clever: | no idea what the + means |
| [21:03:58] | clever: | and if its xx0 and root/root, you shouldnt have any access |
| [21:04:01] | jroysdon: | something to do with giving it non-root users access |
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| [21:04:05] | jroysdon: | but do |
| [21:04:08] | jroysdon: | but I do |
| [21:04:15] | clever: | might be something special that mythdora did to the kernel |
| [21:04:20] | jroysdon: | or fedora |
| [21:04:22] | ** jroysdon shrugs ** | |
| [21:04:40] | clever: | the closest system i have is redhat9 with a 2.4 kernel |
| [21:04:58] | jroysdon: | which to test from with the digital? |
| [21:04:58] | jroysdon: | crw-rw----+ 1 mythtv mythtv 212, 4 2009-03–14 13:53 demux0 |
| [21:04:59] | jroysdon: | crw-rw----+ 1 mythtv mythtv 212, 5 2009-03–14 13:53 dvr0 |
| [21:04:59] | jroysdon: | crw-rw----+ 1 mythtv mythtv 212, 3 2009-03–14 13:53 frontend0 |
| [21:04:59] | jroysdon: | crw-rw----+ 1 mythtv mythtv 212, 7 2009-03–14 13:53 net0 |
| [21:05:07] | clever: | no idea |
| [21:05:16] | clever: | never used any digital capture hardware |
| [21:05:20] | jroysdon: | ah |
| [21:05:32] | clever: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:HDTV_capture_cards |
| [21:05:46] | clever: | one of those probly has info on how to test the card |
| [21:05:52] | clever: | and most digital cards should be similar |
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| [21:13:04] | styelz: | if i dont watch a live tv channel for say, more than a minute.. mythtv auto deletes it right? |
| [21:13:12] | styelz: | pretty quickly |
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| [21:13:33] | styelz: | .. the recording |
| [21:14:32] | clever: | if the file is small, its deleted fast |
| [21:14:45] | clever: | and if your low on disk space, it will delete things |
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| [21:14:55] | clever: | the backend logs should say why |
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| [21:21:40] | sid3windr: | btw, was the bug in mythweb already known if you click on a channel without xmltv data you get an infinite redirect loop? |
| [21:22:12] | kormoc: | not known, no |
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| [21:25:58] | Aahz: | Salutations Folks. I am looking into building my first MythTV Box out of one of those neat MSI Wind boxes. I have been going though various USB based TV Tuners and I must admit that looking at the list on LinuxTV and on the MythTV Wiki has me a bit crosseyed. Does anyone have a recomendation for a good USB TV Tuner for MythTV? One thats a nice easy setup for a newbie. |
| [21:27:13] | kormoc: | that will capture what sort of signal |
| [21:27:21] | wagnerrp: | has to be analog |
| [21:27:32] | wagnerrp: | that system wont push HD mpeg2 |
| [21:27:54] | hads: | There's more than just analog and HD MPEG2 though. |
| [21:28:10] | hads: | DVB etc. |
| [21:28:29] | wagnerrp: | a dvb user? with roadrunner? |
| [21:28:33] | wagnerrp: | not likely |
| [21:28:45] | hads: | No idea what roadrunner is. |
| [21:28:53] | wagnerrp: | time warner cable internet |
| [21:28:58] | kormoc: | could be capturing from freebird or any of the free sats out there |
| [21:29:22] | wagnerrp: | could be... chances are not high |
| [21:29:59] | kormoc: | tis true, but it's worth him just answering the question rather then us taking up ten times the number of lines to try to guess the answer |
| [21:30:00] | wagnerrp: | if they were the case, they would know more about the hardware they were looking for |
| [21:30:10] | wagnerrp: | assuming they already had the 8' dish in their back yard |
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| [21:31:33] | wagnerrp: | could you get enough out of XvMC on 950 to run HD? |
| [21:31:47] | wagnerrp: | (has no functional experience with xvmc) |
| [21:33:34] | wagnerrp: | well, back to the original question |
| [21:33:47] | kormoc: | I think we scared him away |
| [21:34:10] | wagnerrp: | if you want digital, pick out any USB tuner that complies with the list on linuxtv.org |
| [21:34:14] | Aahz: | I'm just looking for a USB card that will capture standard US Cable. :) |
| [21:34:19] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [21:34:29] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, way to send him back to the list he was confused about |
| [21:34:29] | wagnerrp: | although with digital, you have no choice as to what your resolution will be, and i doubt you could manage HD |
| [21:34:44] | kormoc: | not all digital is HD |
| [21:35:28] | wagnerrp: | no, but all the good channels are |
| [21:35:30] | Aahz: | Standard Resolution. My TV is kinda... low tech. and I don't think the MSI Wind's dual core Atoms would handle any HD processing. |
| [21:36:03] | wagnerrp: | all thats left are the weather channels, and subchannel on the public broadcasters |
| [21:36:22] | wagnerrp: | for analog, the ideal cards are the IVTV cards |
| [21:36:31] | wagnerrp: | but i dont know if there are any USB-based IVTV cards |
| [21:36:57] | wagnerrp: | i believe there is one or two mpeg4 tuners supported by mythtv |
| [21:37:02] | wagnerrp: | but i dont know what they are off hand |
| [21:37:25] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, that's not true. Comcast has a SD only digital cable plan that has more channels then they do in HD... |
| [21:38:04] | wagnerrp: | yeah, forgot that comcast recently opened up their standard cable lineup on digital |
| [21:38:40] | kormoc: | I know Verizon's TV, as well as Dish's also have digital SD lineups that are fairly full |
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| [21:38:58] | Aahz: | I'm in Time Warner country. Hmmm... This is getting more complex the more I think about it. |
| [21:39:15] | wagnerrp: | Aahz: where are you intending to store all of this video? |
| [21:39:46] | wagnerrp: | usb hard drive? |
| [21:39:50] | Aahz: | 80 GB HD. |
| [21:40:22] | Aahz: | I'm sorry, its the NetOp not the Wind. |
| [21:40:25] | wagnerrp: | that wont go particularly far |
| [21:40:40] | wagnerrp: | 30–60hrs depending on your recording bitrate |
| [21:40:48] | wagnerrp: | which may be perfectly sufficient for your needs |
| [21:40:50] | wagnerrp: | i dont know |
| [21:41:19] | Aahz: | 30–60 hours seems fine to me. I'm not the type to keep video for a long time. I'm the type to watch it and delete it. |
| [21:41:35] | wagnerrp: | ok, im a file squirrel |
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| [21:44:21] | wagnerrp: | looks like this one is supported... http://www.plextor.com/english/products/TV402U.htm |
| [21:44:30] | wagnerrp: | a bit expensive though |
| [21:44:59] | Aahz: | That is a bit pricy. More than the barebones of the box.... hmmm. |
| [21:45:21] | wagnerrp: | theyre on ebay for $5-$30 |
| [21:46:13] | Aahz: | Well that sounds better. :) |
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| [21:52:54] | lyricnz_: | Is the new macmini fast enough to run mythfrontend with OTA 1080i? |
| [21:53:51] | wagnerrp: | any of the c2d minimacs should be sufficient |
| [21:54:02] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if the older cd minimacs are |
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| [21:59:05] | jroysdon: | Is it possible to use a digital capture care w//Comcast w/o a set-top box from Comcast? |
| [21:59:44] | wagnerrp: | absolutely, assuming it supports QAM |
| [21:59:52] | jroysdon: | hvr-1600 |
| [21:59:57] | wagnerrp: | note that a lot of the channels will be encrypted, and inaccessible |
| [22:00:00] | jroysdon: | So, I guess I'm just not getting some of the settings... |
| [22:00:20] | wagnerrp: | check the silicondust website for a listing of what you should expect to get in your zip code |
| [22:00:21] | jroysdon: | That's ok, I don't pay for anything that I think would be encrypted |
| [22:00:29] | jroysdon: | ah, ok, url? |
| [22:00:36] | wagnerrp: | silicondust.com |
| [22:00:37] | jroysdon: | (I just have the mini-basic comcast package) |
| [22:00:39] | jroysdon: | ok |
| [22:00:59] | wagnerrp: | my cableco encrypts everything but the local channels |
| [22:01:52] | wagnerrp: | apparently comcast had to recently decrypt a lot of channels, because they cut off extended analog cable, and rolled out a cheap $1/mo tuner |
| [22:01:54] | jroysdon: | that's fine, mine mini-basic is just the local channels |
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| [22:02:06] | jroysdon: | ah |
| [22:02:41] | jroysdon: | if I can get the OTA hd stuff w/o having to have an antenea, then great |
| [22:03:16] | jroysdon: | You sure about the website? silidust.com has no dns for me |
| [22:04:05] | iamlindoro: | That's because it's "silicondust.com" |
| [22:04:08] | iamlindoro: | and it works fine here |
| [22:04:31] | jroysdon: | ooh, doh |
| [22:05:18] | jroysdon: | Heh, the Wife is just happy to have the ability to record 3 channels |
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| [22:05:46] | jroysdon: | (when I installed the pvr1600 and didn't have time to get it working, it broke the first input for the pvr500, so we were down to recording one show at a time) |
| [22:08:31] | Aahz: | Ok, I think I found my USB Tuner. The Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-950Q. The 950 shows on the lists, and one of the reviewers on NewEgg stated that he got it to work with MythBuntu. |
| [22:09:26] | Interface-: | i have the 1800, works fine |
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| [22:14:30] | jroysdon: | ok, it appears I have plenty of Comcast unencrypted digital channels. Is there a good guide for setting it up? What I saw so far helped me get the card working, but not really the channels (there are so many options) |
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| [22:15:53] | jroysdon: | Reading through this now, I'll ask questions in a few: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Adding_Digital_Cab . . . _USA/Canada) |
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| [22:26:54] | benn: | hey guys, don't suppose anyone knows of a mythtv irc bot? |
| [22:27:28] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
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| [22:27:38] | benn: | :) |
| [22:27:48] | at0m: | benn, please elaborate |
| [22:27:55] | benn: | i'd just like to see spam when something starts recording or something |
| [22:28:00] | iamlindoro: | We already have a bot that tells us random crap when we don't want to hear it, it's called clever |
| [22:28:04] | ** MythLogBot slaps benn with a trout on behalf of kormoc... ** | |
| [22:28:30] | benn: | i guess i could just write a tcl script for an eggdrop |
| [22:28:39] | kormoc: | benn, why not just use a rss reader? |
| [22:29:09] | benn: | thats an option i guess |
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| [22:33:45] | mzb_d800: | Is it just me, or do custom records _always_ overwrite your subtitle choice?? (in both 0.21 and trunk) |
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| [22:41:53] | sphery: | mzb_d800: Yeah, it does in -fixes... I haven't tried trunk, nor have I looked into it because I've done all of one manual recording in the last 3+ years (I remember doing a couple in the first couple years I had Myth) and it was just to see how manual recordings responded to the DST switch. |
| [22:42:09] | sphery: | but if you want to fix it, we'd love to see a patch :) |
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| [22:42:16] | mzb_d800: | :) |
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| [22:42:25] | iamlindoro: | It's likely something pretty simple |
| [22:42:30] | iamlindoro: | probably a oneish line fix |
| [22:42:43] | iamlindoro: | but it doesn't bother me enough to fix it myself-- and yes, it's present in trunk |
| [22:42:47] | mzb_d800: | yeah, I use it quite extensively (for recording music video clips where the playlist is published) |
| [22:42:53] | sphery: | yeah, it just sets the subtitle to the default (something like "Manual recording from <starttime> to <endtime>" or something. |
| [22:43:00] | mzb_d800: | but I've just changed the method I use |
| [22:43:00] | sphery: | so, it's probably just a missing check for a value. |
| [22:43:12] | mzb_d800: | it's set to DATE |
| [22:43:16] | sphery: | mzb_d800: did you schedule via mythweb or mythfrontend? |
| [22:43:17] | iamlindoro: | ie a m_subtitle->GetText(); |
| [22:43:28] | mzb_d800: | mythweb |
| [22:43:36] | sphery: | I did mythweb, too. |
| [22:44:07] | sphery: | I wouldn't be surprised if it's a mythweb parameter issue (i.e. from the huge changes made to MythWeb in recent years--probably just a copy/paste issue. |
| [22:44:15] | mzb_d800: | I get the programme info on a webpage, and cut+paste (most of) the info into a manual record for each clip (or set of clips) that I want. |
| [22:44:37] | sphery: | Try doing one from mythfrontend and see if it's affected. |
| [22:44:47] | sphery: | Doing so will tell you where to focus your efforts. |
| [22:45:00] | mzb_d800: | k, I'll take a look at it next weekend |
| [22:45:02] | sphery: | (or whomever it is who looks at it) |
| [22:45:29] | mzb_d800: | (it's only Friday+Saturday nights) |
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| [22:46:11] | mzb_d800: | yay ... John Lee Hooker – Boom Boom |
| [22:46:13] | mzb_d800: | ;) |
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| [22:59:06] | iamlindoro: | I wonder what exciting GSoC project's we'll be complaining still haven't been committed in 2010 |
| [22:59:10] | iamlindoro: | er projects |
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| [23:15:05] | wagnerrp: | well it took... a year and a half to get the eac3 stuff into ffmpeg? |
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| [23:23:06] | iamlindoro: | Think it was written one year and committed as part of the qualification task for the next |
| [23:24:14] | kormoc: | that's sad when the patch submission process takes an entire summer |
| [23:24:44] | gbee: | *cough* |
| [23:24:46] | iamlindoro: | well, I mean the second year it was a second person whose task to get accepted for that year was to clean up and get the patch submitted |
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| [23:29:04] | antiPosix: | *hiccup* |
| [23:29:16] | wagnerrp: | drunk? |
| [23:29:20] | antiPosix: | gbee: so that website is built ontop of a CMS |
| [23:29:45] | antiPosix: | wagnerrp: nope |
| [23:30:07] | antiPosix: | gbee: I meant to say: that website... is it built ontop of a CMS? |
| [23:30:38] | iamlindoro: | don't remember gbee referencing a web site? |
| [23:31:07] | antiPosix: | his name is on http://www.mythtv.org/ |
| [23:31:24] | antiPosix: | as a coder of the new website |
| [23:31:26] | iamlindoro: | antiPosix, xris already answered your question about the myth web site yesterday as I recall |
| [23:31:37] | iamlindoro: | whose name is *also* there as an author of the site |
| [23:31:44] | antiPosix: | iamlindoro: wow good memory |
| [23:32:03] | antiPosix: | iamlindoro: I recall getting an aswer, but I do not think it was from either xris or gbee |
| [23:32:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | it was.. I was here too... |
| [23:32:35] | antiPosix: | iamlindoro: but I wasnt satisified :) I wanted to be extra sure because I am in the market and that is a super good looking site |
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| [23:32:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | it may have been kormoc. |
| [23:32:57] | iamlindoro: | Who, for all intents and purposes, is just as reliable a source on the myth site |
| [23:32:59] | antiPosix: | kormoc sounds like it, |
| [23:33:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | But they did tell you it was not CMS... |
| [23:33:35] | iamlindoro: | yes, it was kormoc-- he is just as reliable on that particular point as xris or gbee |
| [23:33:37] | antiPosix: | ok, sorry for asking, I'll keep quiet |
| [23:33:46] | ** antiPosix sulks away ** | |
| [23:35:18] | iamlindoro: | gbee, how difficult would turning the grayscale tag into a numerical value be? (ie degrees of saturation) |
| [23:35:49] | gbee: | difficult |
| [23:35:54] | iamlindoro: | ok, fair enough |
| [23:40:29] | gbee: | I'm just using the QT QGray function to get the grayscale equivalent of a pixel, that could be replaced with a custom equation, but I've no idea what such that would actually look like |
| [23:41:58] | iamlindoro: | makes sense, not that big a deal anyway-- was thinking it would be nice to "wash out" an image in various degrees without trying to do so with opacity-- was also thinking about darkening/lightening-- but that's all likely the same story |
| [23:42:52] | kormoc: | antiPosix, Aye, I answered yesterday. It's a custom framework and it's really not that flexable, as it was developed to be highly scalable rather then user-friendly, hence why it's not really exposed anywhere. It really wouldn't help much |
| [23:47:18] | antiPosix: | kormoc: thanks :) sorry for nagging everyone again |
| [23:47:19] | gbee: | layout and basic style, colour was all xris, I just suggested some additional touches and provided some imagery – xris wrote the html/css and the backend scripts |
| [23:47:56] | gbee: | but the whole thing was custom, no publically available CMS etc |
| [23:48:25] | antiPosix: | the layout is very eye pleasing |
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| [23:53:44] | FPSDavid: | Ihave an AVI that has 2 languages and subtitles on it, but the default language isnt english. how do i change to the 2nd language (english) in myth? |
| [23:54:33] | iamlindoro: | Press M during playback, select audio track |
| [23:55:02] | FPSDavid: | what about turning off subtitles? i'm not sure if they're coded in or permanent |
| [23:55:15] | bocaJ: | hey, does anyone know how to create a TS Stream with mythtranscode? |
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| [23:55:27] | gbee: | iamlindoro: if you want research the equation to translate a 32bit RGB value to 8bit greyscale with varying saturation/luminescence then we can certainly consider it |
| [23:55:44] | iamlindoro: | gbee, I might give it a go once I finish my present stuff |
| [23:56:02] | iamlindoro: | will probably give at least a half-effort doing it myself before resorting to burdening you :) |
| [23:56:11] | FPSDavid: | m didnt work actually |
| [23:56:13] | FPSDavid: | it mutedi t |
| [23:56:24] | iamlindoro: | FPSDavid, Then you are not using myth's player and are on your own |
| [23:56:34] | iamlindoro: | (or have changed the key mapping, but sounds like mplayer) |
| [23:56:36] | FPSDavid: | i'm pretty sure i am... |
| [23:56:48] | FPSDavid: | its mythos |
| [23:56:53] | iamlindoro: | mythos? |
| [23:57:03] | FPSDavid: | mythbuntu actually |
| [23:57:08] | iamlindoro: | if you scan forward and back, what do you see? |
| [23:57:10] | FPSDavid: | but im pretty sure they use the same shit |
| [23:57:28] | iamlindoro: | a) no swearing channel, b) depends on what you're playing, some files by default use mplayer in .21 |
| [23:58:05] | FPSDavid: | my bad |
| [23:58:16] | FPSDavid: | if i scan, i see [||||oooooooooooo] |
| [23:58:20] | FPSDavid: | if thats what you mean |
| [23:58:21] | iamlindoro: | that's player |
| [23:58:22] | iamlindoro: | er mplayer |
| [23:58:50] | iamlindoro: | so if you switch to the internal player for that extension, what I told you will work, or you can follow up with the mplayer guys on how to change audio tracks mid-stream |
| [23:59:06] | FPSDavid: | how would i switch to the internal player? |
| [23:59:23] | iamlindoro: | utilities/Setup->Setup->Media Settings->Video Settings->File Types |
| [23:59:36] | iamlindoro: | and set the player command for that extension to "Internal" and uncheck the "use default player" |
| [23:59:42] | FPSDavid: | is the internal player as stable as mplayer for HD? |
| [23:59:43] | iamlindoro: | Internal, capital I, no quotes |
| [23:59:58] | iamlindoro: | IMO Internal is far superior to mplayer |
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