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| [00:20:53] | iamlindoro: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/seas-epi-sub.png |
| [00:21:00] | iamlindoro: | Season, Episode, subtitle support in Mythvideo |
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| [00:24:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Very nice.... Looks like I'll have to start watching Battlestar Galactica! ;-) |
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| [00:26:31] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A, also updated my Watch Recordings->MythVideo export patch to hnt for the latest season and episode and, by default, augment episode by one. There's also a new option, "Export to MythVideo (New Season)" which incremenrt season by one and resets episode |
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| [00:28:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Nice! ;-) |
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| [00:44:43] | wagnerrp: | its a shame the tvrage api searches by episode number, rather than name |
| [00:45:24] | iamlindoro: | TVDB allows for by name, however |
| [00:45:31] | iamlindoro: | and the script in trac has an option to do so |
| [00:45:38] | wagnerrp: | oh? dont actually know about that site |
| [00:45:46] | iamlindoro: | you can pass Show + ep title and it will give back the season + ep |
| [00:50:21] | at0m|c: | beautiful :) |
| [00:52:40] | wagnerrp: | i like how the TVDB recommendations include two shows no longer on the air |
| [00:53:13] | iamlindoro: | I don't think it's meant to recommend on-air shows, since accessing off-the-air shows is fairly easy these days |
| [00:53:44] | wagnerrp: | does showtime have a streaming site? or is that dvd only? |
| [00:54:07] | iamlindoro: | DVD only I think |
| [00:54:24] | wagnerrp: | i know scifi does reruns maybe once a year |
| [00:54:44] | wagnerrp: | i think thats where i first saw it a couple years ago |
| [00:55:37] | iamlindoro: | Which show? |
| [00:55:44] | wagnerrp: | dead like me |
| [00:55:52] | iamlindoro: | ah, yeah, that was a great show |
| [00:56:06] | Dagmar: | eeeeeeemo |
| [00:56:43] | wagnerrp: | emo... in that its about someone deciding she doesnt hate the world, and no longer wants to be dead? |
| [00:56:53] | wagnerrp: | seems a bit backwards |
| [00:57:00] | iamlindoro: | I didn't find that show remotely emo |
| [00:57:56] | Dagmar: | Glorificaton of dead people. ;) |
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| [01:01:57] | wagnerrp: | oh wow! |
| [01:02:13] | clever: | damnit, mastter backend crashed again |
| [01:02:14] | wagnerrp: | some company is manufacturing a PCIe x8 attached SSD |
| [01:02:27] | wagnerrp: | capable of some sustained 1.5GBps |
| [01:02:30] | clever: | -rw------- 1 mythtv mythtv 135M 2009-03–11 16:00 core.mythbackend.14518.d600 |
| [01:02:35] | clever: | wagnerrp: sweet! |
| [01:02:48] | wagnerrp: | clever: it will cost more than your house |
| [01:02:52] | clever: | lol! |
| [01:03:13] | clever: | and how do you know what my house costs:P |
| [01:03:27] | iamlindoro: | because you are thhe one who lives in it |
| [01:03:53] | wagnerrp: | assumption made on the fact that youre continually repairing antiquated hardware |
| [01:04:40] | clever: | wagnerrp: i didnt pay for the house myself:P |
| [01:05:14] | wagnerrp: | it seems to have what looks like a CF card slot |
| [01:05:20] | wagnerrp: | for what purpose, i have no clue |
| [01:05:52] | clever: | how much does it actualy cost? |
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| [01:06:00] | iamlindoro: | You don't pay for *anything* yourself |
| [01:06:42] | wagnerrp: | unless this in fact not a flash drive, but rather a memory disk |
| [01:07:43] | wagnerrp: | no, they claim its an SSD |
| [01:07:43] | clever: | wagnerrp: heard of the i-ram? |
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| [01:07:56] | clever: | http://www.inventgeek.com/Projects/IonCooler/Page3.aspx |
| [01:08:23] | clever: | 'Each card acts as a single 4 GB SATA Drive', it uses batery backed DIMM modules |
| [01:08:27] | wagnerrp: | clever: yeah by the iram is limited to 4GB (or 8?), this comes in 160GB, 320GB, 640GB, and 1.28TB flavors |
| [01:08:34] | clever: | ahh |
| [01:08:44] | clever: | in the above example, he raided a pair into 8gig |
| [01:08:55] | wagnerrp: | clever: besides, ive seen a new one that takes ddr2, up to 16GB i believe |
| [01:09:09] | wagnerrp: | not like you need the space, but its considerably cheaper per stick |
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| [01:09:31] | SP: | hey gang |
| [01:09:33] | clever: | ive got plenty of disk space at the moment, what i need is more RAM |
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| [01:10:02] | wagnerrp: | ditto, id buy more, but all my systems take DDR1 |
| [01:10:08] | wagnerrp: | im due for an upgrade |
| [01:10:14] | bradleee: | hi all, quick question about mythbackend. i run it on ubuntu and have it email me mythtv-status every morning. but i also get mail from cron complaining that it can't find /var/run/motd.new |
| [01:10:35] | wagnerrp: | bradleee: is there a /var/run/motd.new? |
| [01:10:39] | bradleee: | no |
| [01:10:52] | wagnerrp: | then what are you worried about? it seems to be functioning correctly |
| [01:10:54] | SpaceBass2: | my HDhomerun tuner will not tune my local ABC – been through a lot of troubleshooting and have confirmed with other HDHR users in the area |
| [01:11:03] | bradleee: | i tried touch /var/run/motd.new but it goes away after the next cronjob |
| [01:11:13] | SpaceBass2: | need a cheap tuner card for one channel only – any suggestions? |
| [01:11:16] | bradleee: | it seems like mythbackend is kicking off the cronjobs |
| [01:11:24] | wagnerrp: | motd = message of the day |
| [01:11:32] | wagnerrp: | certainly not a system threatening process |
| [01:11:41] | wagnerrp: | just ignore it |
| [01:11:59] | bradleee: | wagnerrp: right, i understand. it just sends an email up to 20–30 times a day |
| [01:12:13] | wagnerrp: | so remove the check from cron |
| [01:12:42] | wagnerrp: | if its part of a general system scan script, remove that check from the script |
| [01:14:25] | bradleee: | it never runs at regular intervals though, it seems like mythbackend kicks it off whenever there's a status change |
| [01:15:50] | bradleee: | spacebass: do you require ATSC? |
| [01:15:55] | wagnerrp: | mythbackend would not be running that program |
| [01:16:13] | wagnerrp: | /var/run is just storage space for files containing process ids |
| [01:16:31] | wagnerrp: | meaning, somehow 'motd' is a process that is supposed to be running on your system |
| [01:16:50] | wagnerrp: | and some system check has decided that the file is missing, indicating that the process is not running |
| [01:17:03] | clever: | wagnerrp: one of my boinc projects is also using it heavily for files, i had to make it a tmpfs because nfs lagged too much |
| [01:17:20] | wagnerrp: | using /var/run? |
| [01:17:24] | clever: | yes |
| [01:17:33] | clever: | i think that was it |
| [01:17:43] | wagnerrp: | they should be slapped |
| [01:18:20] | clever: | it was a /tmp/ under there i beleive |
| [01:18:20] | clever: | cant find it now |
| [01:19:04] | clever: | may have been /var/tmp |
| [01:21:14] | SpaceBass2: | anyone – suggestions on a cheap US HDTV tuner card? |
| [01:31:47] | bradleee: | in my experience googling, cheap != hdtv |
| [01:31:53] | bradleee: | esp over 720 |
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| [01:37:10] | SpaceBass2: | huh? |
| [01:37:24] | perilousapricot: | bradleee, you could just pipe whatever command that was to /dev/null |
| [01:39:10] | SpaceBass2: | lol |
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| [01:45:51] | perilousapricot: | wooooo split! |
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| [01:52:34] | wagnerrp: | bradleee: you do realize he asked about a TUNER CARD and not a TV... right? |
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| [02:13:51] | iamlindoro: | Anduin, Thanks for fixing the component on that ticket-- I obviously wasn't paying close enough attention |
| [02:14:27] | Anduin: | yeah after the rename I look at anything with video in the title |
| [02:14:37] | Anduin: | (component) |
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| [03:03:43] | janneg: | iamlindoro: you might want to join #ffmpeg-devel. ramiro talks about MLP/TrueHD in Blu-ray |
| [03:03:52] | iamlindoro: | janneg, thanks |
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| [03:09:57] | iamlindoro: | janneg, I wonder if the discussion started as a result of the phoronix interview |
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| [03:12:35] | RyeBrye: | on the latest trunk I've got a strange issue when starting mythfrontend |
| [03:13:12] | RyeBrye: | it stalls forever and has an error about running a cdrecord --scanbus exiting with error 2 |
| [03:13:23] | RyeBrye: | but it stalls for about a minute before giving up and going to the main screen |
| [03:14:00] | iamlindoro: | If you're using nVidia driver 180.35, update |
| [03:14:29] | RyeBrye: | Ah, is it related to that? |
| [03:14:45] | iamlindoro: | it's a broken driver |
| [03:14:48] | ** RyeBrye curses nvidia ** | |
| [03:17:10] | RyeBrye: | so what is the latest nvidia driver? 180.29? |
| [03:17:15] | wagnerrp: | 37 |
| [03:17:56] | iamlindoro: | Haha, I totally broke Mythvideo sorting |
| [03:19:38] | wagnerrp: | well i pulled apart and reassembled the broken fan from the graphics card |
| [03:19:45] | wagnerrp: | it seems to have fixed it... at least for now... |
| [03:21:49] | iamlindoro: | But I did find a way to show the season, episode and subtitle conditionally: http://www.fecitfacta.com/01x01-support.ogg |
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| [03:30:38] | RyeBrye: | wagnerrp: you don't want a fanless card? |
| [03:30:41] | RyeBrye: | ;) |
| [03:32:13] | wagnerrp: | RyeBrye: well this is for a desktop, not a mythbox |
| [03:36:09] | RyeBrye: | is it just me, or does Ubuntu's installer always make the PREVIOUS kernel version the one that is selected by default in grub? |
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| [03:45:20] | iamlindoro: | Anduin, I am looking at MythVideo filters and wonder if you can give me a hand-- I have a working order by season, but I'd like to make it a order by season and secondarily by episode-- if you have a sec to look, I'd be much obliged. http://rafb.net/p/9Z6dT095.html |
| [03:45:25] | iamlindoro: | Probably a one line modification |
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| [03:48:07] | sphery: | iamlindoro: if season of both is equal, then compare episode; otherwise compare season |
| [03:49:06] | wagnerrp: | apparently video games are the cause of knife crimes in the UK |
| [03:49:18] | wagnerrp: | and here i thought it was just the difficulty of getting guns... silly me.... |
| [03:50:35] | Anduin: | iamlindoro_: I haven't looked but if they are integers what sphery said |
| [03:51:34] | iamlindoro: | They are integers, I'll give that a shot, thanks |
| [03:53:24] | Anduin: | iamlindoro: are you going to add it to the editor (yeah I know, going to need a new page soon) |
| [03:53:27] | Anduin: | ? |
| [03:53:54] | iamlindoro: | Anduin, Which Editor? |
| [03:54:10] | Anduin: | the metadata editor |
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| [03:54:19] | iamlindoro: | ah, yeah, I shall |
| [03:54:28] | iamlindoro: | spinboxes |
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| [03:54:35] | iamlindoro: | already have them in the PBB-MV export |
| [03:55:13] | iamlindoro: | Sphery, that did the trick, thanks a bunch |
| [03:55:20] | sphery: | enjoy |
| [03:57:35] | iamlindoro: | Maybe yfayka ought to implement sort order as one of his dir prefs |
| [03:57:50] | sphery: | that would be cool |
| [03:58:03] | iamlindoro: | I can imagine somebody wanting title sort order on the Movies and Season/Ep sort on TV |
| [03:58:16] | sphery: | I just hope the dir prefs are generic enough they can be used with any SG dir |
| [03:58:24] | iamlindoro: | Although if your movies are named remotely sanely Season/Ep sort does the whole job |
| [04:00:41] | iamlindoro: | although.if.you.are[l0l].l33t.and.the_MOVIE_NAME.is.in.here_you_are_screwed.torr ent |
| [04:01:13] | sphery: | heh, that's a good thing, though |
| [04:01:46] | iamlindoro: | yep |
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| [04:13:56] | iamlindoro: | Holy cow am I lucky... the one time I manage to delete Lost the following week's version is NOT the pop-up-video version |
| [04:14:12] | iamlindoro: | the repeat version, that is |
| [04:15:16] | wagnerrp: | your 'export to mythvideo' break? |
| [04:15:38] | iamlindoro: | no, but the PBB was randomly deleting unselected items for a short perios last week :) |
| [04:15:49] | iamlindoro: | ah, the joys of trunk in production :) |
| [04:16:08] | wagnerrp: | pbb? |
| [04:16:20] | iamlindoro: | the internal name for the watch recordings screen, "PlayBackBox" |
| [04:16:25] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [04:16:42] | iamlindoro: | That's thankfully been fixed, heh |
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| [04:26:53] | sphery: | iamlindoro: we need to start a new saying for things like that: You've been trunked! |
| [04:27:17] | mkrufky: | do u guys use the eit scan feature on your backends? |
| [04:27:27] | wagnerrp: | nope |
| [04:27:30] | iamlindoro: | ewwww, yucky USA EIT? No thanks! |
| [04:27:33] | sphery: | nope |
| [04:27:49] | mkrufky: | i stopped using it years ago cuz i got burned by bad data |
| [04:28:02] | wagnerrp: | yeah, EIT is next to worthless over here, and just ends up impeding with our nice schedules direct |
| [04:28:08] | sphery: | if you're looking for testers, you may have better luck when the European crowd wakes up |
| [04:28:11] | mkrufky: | but i just had to rebuild my channel lineup, and eit scan helped me to find a mistake that i made |
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| [04:28:51] | mkrufky: | nah, im not looking for testers ... im just wondering if the cable companies have been doing a better job with their data lately or not |
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| [04:29:26] | mkrufky: | thing is ... i had eit turned on before i did my first mythfilldatabase, and apparantly almost every channel was broadcasting lineup data |
| [04:29:36] | mkrufky: | so, maybe they finally have their act together now |
| [04:29:38] | wagnerrp: | i seem to recall some script on the wiki which would run dvbscan, dump a channels.conf, and then proceed to tune and capture a few seconds of every channel with mplayer |
| [04:29:39] | sphery: | I'm pretty sure my local stations give only now/next OTA, so I'd guess that the cable co doesn't do much better. :) |
| [04:29:47] | mkrufky: | (but i will not cancel my SD subscription — i still need it ) |
| [04:29:55] | wagnerrp: | i thought all stations had to broadcast eit data |
| [04:30:11] | mkrufky: | i think they have to over the air, but cable can do whatever they want |
| [04:30:28] | wagnerrp: | well 'cable' is not a station either |
| [04:30:58] | sphery: | I thought only now/next was required |
| [04:31:00] | mkrufky: | oh, i thought u meant "broadcasters" rather than individual services |
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| [04:31:34] | wagnerrp: | anyway, i didnt think they had to provide much, but i thought they had to provide something |
| [04:32:28] | mkrufky: | yeah i was just wondering if whatever they DO provide now is reliable or not |
| [04:32:42] | iamlindoro: | largely, no |
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| [04:33:44] | mkrufky: | ok |
| [04:34:17] | iamlindoro: | what's up with us getting Gypped on Lost this week, anyway? |
| [04:34:47] | mkrufky: | my server failed |
| [04:34:50] | mkrufky: | on LOST today |
| [04:34:55] | mkrufky: | i didnt see the caption episode |
| [04:34:59] | ** mkrufky missed LOST content ** | |
| [04:35:33] | iamlindoro: | I thought for a few minutes a bit ago that it was non-caption, but turns out it is |
| [04:35:33] | mkrufky: | lol ... yeah i was upset about that .... but now im glad it wasnt any NEW episode that i didnt record |
| [04:35:44] | mkrufky: | do u have it? |
| [04:35:46] | iamlindoro: | which sucks, ebcause I lost last weeks so now I have to archive this POS |
| [04:36:07] | mkrufky: | maybe we can help each other out |
| [04:36:08] | iamlindoro: | mkrufky, lostpedia transcribes all the pop up video |
| [04:36:20] | mkrufky: | yeah but im a geek and i wanna watch it |
| [04:36:28] | iamlindoro: | You *are* a geek |
| [04:36:33] | mkrufky: | :-D |
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| [04:37:56] | mkrufky: | hmm, apparantly we have TNT in the clear now, in NYC |
| [04:38:06] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if that would be a useful function in the scanner |
| [04:38:22] | wagnerrp: | have the option to grab a frame, or a couple seconds of video during a scan |
| [04:38:43] | iamlindoro: | I'd love to throw together a geek screen in the OSD once it goes MythUI |
| [04:38:50] | wagnerrp: | i mean the code is already there, its just a matter of what level macguyver you need to be to put it all together |
| [04:38:57] | iamlindoro: | show codecs, resolutions, and the momentary bitrates of all streams |
| [04:39:26] | wagnerrp: | you mean 'mpeg2 and ac3'? |
| [04:39:28] | mkrufky: | oh, that would be cool |
| [04:39:36] | mkrufky: | like the service screen on the stb's |
| [04:40:18] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, I mean "1920 x 1080, interlaced, MPEG-2, current bitrate: 12000 Kb/s, 6 Channel AC-3, current bitrate: 384 Kb/s |
| [04:40:19] | iamlindoro: | " |
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| [04:40:55] | iamlindoro: | FPS, telecine plag present y/n, etc. |
| [04:40:57] | iamlindoro: | er telecine flag |
| [04:41:02] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: i was joking that for the majority of content, the codecs used will be mpeg2 and ac3 |
| [04:41:06] | wagnerrp: | all ATSC and QAM stuff |
| [04:41:24] | phi2039: | hey...have you guys heard of this XBMC thing? |
| [04:41:26] | motd2k: | where's justinh, he's my herroooo! |
| [04:41:59] | iamlindoro: | yes, we've heard of XBMC :) |
| [04:42:00] | wagnerrp: | phi2039: its been around for quite a while... except... this is the mythtv channel |
| [04:42:10] | wagnerrp: | xbmc staff are not suppsed to be shilling their programs in here |
| [04:42:12] | AlTheKiller: | Oh damn, clear over on alt-7, I can barely reach. |
| [04:42:21] | iamlindoro: | considering all of you show as xbmc staff, I'll assume that's a baited trap :) |
| [04:42:24] | phi2039: | well...yeah...but I want to use it as a myth frontend |
| [04:42:46] | motd2k: | we just called to say, we love you! |
| [04:42:49] | iamlindoro: | phi2039, feel free, have fun, It's a fine program |
| [04:43:01] | wagnerrp: | well there is the myth frontend built into xbmc, but that has nothing to do with mythtv, its a 3rd party frontend |
| [04:43:22] | AlTheKiller: | I was under the impression there was more smack talking ongoing here. |
| [04:44:05] | iamlindoro: | Nothing in my scrollback even remotely menttioning XBMC |
| [04:44:06] | mkrufky: | apparantly i joined in at a good time, tonight |
| [04:44:16] | AlTheKiller: | Oh right, we can't possibly have questions about the backend. |
| [04:44:18] | iamlindoro: | until y'all joined |
| [04:44:43] | phi2039: | mkrufky: nah...nobody wants to play ball |
| [04:44:50] | wagnerrp: | if you have protocol questions, the user help channel is probably not the best place to be asking them |
| [04:44:51] | AlTheKiller: | Ah just got word it was from logs |
| [04:44:52] | AlTheKiller: | :( |
| [04:45:10] | iamlindoro: | Erm... are we missing something? Nobody has mentioned XBMC in at least hours, I have 7 hours in the scrollback |
| [04:45:14] | wagnerrp: | this is for troubleshooting the application, not tinkering with the internals |
| [04:45:17] | mkrufky: | phi2039: yeah, but this is entertaining for me at least, while im fiddling with my channel lineup and waiting for mythfilldatabase..... |
| [04:45:31] | phi2039: | i was thinking more about comments like: |
| [04:45:34] | phi2039: | iamlindoro_: Some of the UI bling is nice, and being able to set a scraper per-directory is cool (and coming the MythVideo anyway) but the XBMC player SUUUUUUCCCCCKKKS |
| [04:46:18] | iamlindoro: | What do you want, a medal for searching the logs? I think the player *does* suck, but apparently you're not interested in civil conversation |
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| [04:46:31] | wagnerrp: | must be his evil twin |
| [04:46:41] | wagnerrp: | see the underscore? its like a beard |
| [04:46:58] | phi2039: | oh...didn't see that... |
| [04:47:06] | iamlindoro: | Three of you join all at once for what, some sort of grudge? I'm happy you enjoy XBMC, go on using it, but this isn't your channel |
| [04:47:29] | phi2039: | nor is it yours, oddly enough. |
| [04:47:51] | iamlindoro: | I don't use XBMC because I don't like it. You don't use myth because you don't like it. Feel free to say what you like about Myth in your channel |
| [04:48:00] | phi2039: | I was actually interested in understanding why it is you seem to harbor such ill will towards xbmc and its developers |
| [04:48:08] | iamlindoro: | Erm, I'd say as a regular and myth contributor it *is* more or less my channel |
| [04:48:34] | phi2039: | i DO use myth on occasion, but we DON'T bash it on our channel...that's what has me confused |
| [04:48:48] | AlTheKiller: | I just joined to defend since I thought we were getting bashed ATM :) |
| [04:49:08] | phi2039: | iamlindoro: was about to kickban me... |
| [04:49:11] | iamlindoro: | AlTheKiller, I haven't so much as peeped about xbmc in days, if not weeks |
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| [04:49:20] | iamlindoro: | AlTheKiller, So you appear to have been misled |
| [04:49:25] | sphery: | Not to speak for him, but I think he harbors ill will toward the people who come here to get xbmc help, and tries to convince them that the player built into MythTV for use with MythTV is the best player to use with MythTV. |
| [04:49:35] | AlTheKiller: | Right which is why I said... |
| [04:49:42] | AlTheKiller: | 00:44:50 < AlTheKiller> Ah just got word it was from logs |
| [04:49:44] | phi2039: | oh...well that is understandable |
| [04:49:45] | sphery: | and, yes, there are a lot of people who try to get help with xbmc here |
| [04:50:08] | iamlindoro: | AlTheKiller, http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1/2009-03-12 |
| [04:50:10] | iamlindoro: | today's |
| [04:50:16] | phi2039: | maybe we should try to improve the integration...both platforms have different things to offer, or nobody would use both |
| [04:50:27] | iamlindoro: | http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1/2009-03-11 |
| [04:50:29] | iamlindoro: | yesterdays |
| [04:50:31] | iamlindoro: | http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1/2009-03-10 |
| [04:50:34] | iamlindoro: | the day before's |
| [04:50:47] | AlTheKiller: | Player must not suck that bad :) |
| [04:50:52] | sphery: | I sense a pattern... Hold on. It's coming to me. |
| [04:51:05] | iamlindoro: | Note that in NONE of those logs is XBMC mentioned until you three joined |
| [04:51:28] | AlTheKiller: | Damn somebody is defensive for no good reason. |
| [04:51:30] | iamlindoro: | nor the day before that |
| [04:51:48] | AlTheKiller: | I said it was from logs, not recent logs. |
| [04:51:57] | AlTheKiller: | I didn't ask the guy for a damn date stamp. |
| [04:52:22] | phi2039: | keep going...we get a hit on the 3rd |
| [04:53:04] | phi2039: | but again...would any of the devs like to comment on my question about improved integration? |
| [04:53:04] | iamlindoro: | phi2039, So nine days ago a conversation was had about XBMC which I wasn't a part of... and I should care why? |
| [04:53:34] | phi2039: | i didn't bring it up |
| [04:53:57] | phi2039: | I asked if you were familiar with xbmc |
| [04:54:08] | wagnerrp: | phi2039: for what purpose? mythtv and xbmc have two different intents of use |
| [04:54:26] | wagnerrp: | mythtv has the backend, for recording and such |
| [04:54:31] | iamlindoro: | Yes. We're familiar with it. It's the app with the three staff members who showed up that one day and started acting like offensive jackasses |
| [04:54:44] | AlTheKiller: | Lol? |
| [04:54:51] | ** cesman heads elsewhere... ** | |
| [04:55:05] | wagnerrp: | i was under the impression xbmc already had a plugin to access the backend through mythproto |
| [04:55:05] | AlTheKiller: | Who's being offensive here? |
| [04:55:08] | phi2039: | xbmc primarily plays media...myth primarily records media...i am genuinely interested in understanding why you think they should not have anything to do with one another |
| [04:55:28] | phi2039: | all previous comments aside |
| [04:55:42] | wagnerrp: | mythtv primarily plays TV, xbmc primarily plays content already on the hard disk |
| [04:56:11] | wagnerrp: | xbmc is analogous to the plugins that come with the current frontend |
| [04:56:13] | iamlindoro: | phi2039, We don't *care* if anyone uses XBMC as a frontend to myth-- we just won't waste time *supporting* it |
| [04:56:44] | wagnerrp: | but mythtv is designed around tv, xbmc is designed around all other sources of video |
| [04:56:45] | phi2039: | ahh...i see...mythfrontend or nothing |
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| [04:57:01] | sphery: | no mythfrontend or #xbmc |
| [04:57:03] | phi2039: | wagnerrp: exactly why they should play nice together |
| [04:57:03] | kormoc: | phi2039, for this channel, why not? |
| [04:57:17] | iamlindoro: | phi2039, Where do you get that from? They can use whatever they like. *we* support mythfrontend, the end. |
| [04:57:28] | phi2039: | because there is no #xbmc-with-myth channel |
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| [04:57:42] | iamlindoro: | people are welcome to start one |
| [04:57:46] | iamlindoro: | but nne of us will be there |
| [04:57:52] | kormoc: | phi2039, given that XBMC's mythproto support lags behind, we get a fair number of 'issues' that is purely up to your guys to handle |
| [04:58:12] | phi2039: | please send them to the forum |
| [04:58:14] | sphery: | and, really, the people in #xbmc would be /much/ better teaching people how to get xbmc to work (with or without Myth) |
| [04:58:18] | phi2039: | or #xbmc |
| [04:58:25] | iamlindoro: | we send them to #xbmc, *you* send them to the forum |
| [04:58:26] | kormoc: | phi2039, which is what we do |
| [04:58:26] | wagnerrp: | phi2039: that we do |
| [04:58:36] | phi2039: | and I thank you |
| [04:58:42] | kormoc: | phi2039, but that's why we have the policy of only supporting mythfrontend in here |
| [04:58:50] | wagnerrp: | (and mythbackend) |
| [04:58:57] | sphery: | and mythjobqueue |
| [04:58:58] | kormoc: | we don't want to spin our wheels guessing at things we know nothing about |
| [04:59:01] | kormoc: | and mythweb |
| [04:59:10] | sphery: | but I don't think anyone has /ever/ asked about mythjobqueue, yet... |
| [04:59:20] | sphery: | I've been waiting, and one day... |
| [04:59:27] | phi2039: | name's probably too long |
| [04:59:40] | wagnerrp: | well its not like theres anything to do with mythjobqueue, besides start it |
| [04:59:42] | sphery: | kormoc: I thought mythweb discussion was in #python |
| [04:59:44] | kormoc: | sphery, so what is this mythjobqueue that you speak of? (HA! FIRST QUESTION!) |
| [04:59:45] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [05:00:04] | kormoc: | sphery, ooh, I keep forgetting bout that... /joins #python |
| [05:00:31] | sphery: | kormoc: Glad you asked... Well, see, mythjobqueue allows you to run a low-resource app to perform jobs such as commflagging and transcoding without requiring the overhead of running a full mythbackend. |
| [05:00:56] | kormoc: | oh nice! When did that happen? |
| [05:00:58] | wagnerrp: | sphery: but that doesnt count, you already mentioned it |
| [05:01:00] | sphery: | ah, my life is complete, now... |
| [05:01:03] | phi2039: | i am a big fan of commflagging |
| [05:01:04] | wagnerrp: | kormoc didnt ask on his own accord |
| [05:01:12] | sphery: | ok, I'll keep watching. |
| [05:01:16] | sphery: | stupid technicality |
| [05:01:18] | phi2039: | thought about porting it for other video sources.. |
| [05:01:44] | sphery: | phi2039: there's a package for windows that started out as a port of the mythtv commflagger |
| [05:01:47] | kormoc: | didn't GreyFoxx have a psudo-standalone one? |
| [05:02:12] | phi2039: | that would be excellent |
| [05:02:22] | iamlindoro: | it already has nodb mode that gives out a cutlist |
| [05:02:39] | kormoc: | That's what I was thinking bout |
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| [05:02:58] | phi2039: | i have a big *.ty library, but flagging/cutting by hand is a PITA |
| [05:03:10] | wagnerrp: | ty? |
| [05:03:14] | phi2039: | TiVo |
| [05:03:18] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [05:03:21] | phi2039: | DirecTivo actually |
| [05:03:42] | phi2039: | no backend for that |
| [05:03:56] | wagnerrp: | well do understand that the commflagging is not exact |
| [05:04:04] | phi2039: | sure, but it |
| [05:04:08] | phi2039: | is a start |
| [05:04:09] | sphery: | phi2039: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/325961#325961 |
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| [05:04:34] | wagnerrp: | the way its set up in myth, youre supposed to edit recordings, and load the flag list, before it will even let you permanently strip out the commercials |
| [05:04:48] | wagnerrp: | so that you have a chance to go back and make sure everything is correct |
| [05:04:55] | sphery: | phi2039: http://www.kaashoek.com/comskip/ |
| [05:05:24] | wagnerrp: | usually 20–30% need some significant fixes before cutting |
| [05:06:00] | phi2039: | hmm |
| [05:06:31] | wagnerrp: | another half accidentally pick up short news blurps |
| [05:06:38] | phi2039: | i also like the dvd-ripping interface. i will likely be porting it to xbmc |
| [05:06:54] | wagnerrp: | depends on the time of day i suppose, should only get those during primetime |
| [05:06:57] | ** kormoc raises an eyebrow ** | |
| [05:07:01] | phi2039: | the networks don't want commflagging to work |
| [05:07:10] | kormoc: | why port? seems like it'd be faster to just re-impiment it |
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| [05:07:35] | phi2039: | maybe...bugs always come along and it is a fairly stand-alone function |
| [05:07:36] | iamlindoro: | of all the fantastic things about Myth, to port MythDVD... *shudder* |
| [05:08:03] | phi2039: | no need to reinvent the wheel...so many new things to do |
| [05:08:26] | phi2039: | you should check out the new audio processing branch in xbmc... |
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| [05:08:58] | phi2039: | gonna be great..mix-up, mix-down, change codecs (ac3 to dts) |
| [05:09:02] | wagnerrp: | for what purpose? some advanced upmixing or somethingdk? |
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| [05:09:10] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [05:09:19] | kormoc: | Doesn't ALSA do that? |
| [05:09:23] | wagnerrp: | myth really relies on ALSA for that |
| [05:09:24] | phi2039: | only on Linux |
| [05:09:38] | phi2039: | not on OSX, AppleTV, or Windows |
| [05:09:39] | wagnerrp: | myth only runs on linux |
| [05:09:43] | phi2039: | too bad |
| [05:09:55] | wagnerrp: | besides some nuts trying to run on OSX, or complete whackjobs running on windows |
| [05:09:57] | phi2039: | but porting is a double-edged sword |
| [05:10:13] | phi2039: | more possibilites...more bugs |
| [05:10:18] | wagnerrp: | i have yet to be anywhere near successful getting mythfrontend to compile on windows |
| [05:10:24] | sphery: | wagnerrp: running on windows or /compiling/ on windows? :) |
| [05:10:44] | wagnerrp: | well i cant very well run on windows if i havent been able to compile, now can i? |
| [05:11:00] | sphery: | (by that I meant, "whackjobs compiling on windows" because it doesn't really run there) |
| [05:11:10] | phi2039: | i understood |
| [05:11:20] | phi2039: | i develop on several platforms |
| [05:11:20] | sphery: | yeah, I was too slow typing |
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| [05:11:55] | phi2039: | Windows users are a challenge too...not nearly as adventurous as Linux users |
| [05:12:15] | phi2039: | compiling is a total mystery to the, |
| [05:12:18] | phi2039: | *them |
| [05:12:42] | iamlindoro: | well thankfully we're not that concerned about growing the user base |
| [05:12:55] | wagnerrp: | adventurous linux users has no correlation with competent linux users |
| [05:13:03] | sphery: | well said |
| [05:13:33] | sphery: | it's the adventurous ones that are always asking for help cleaning up the messes they made of their systems |
| [05:13:34] | phi2039: | ..but a well-developed software package should be interested in the users, or what is the point |
| [05:13:40] | wagnerrp: | the new batch of ubuntuites are no better then apple users |
| [05:13:50] | wagnerrp: | they just link theyre leet because they no longer use windows |
| [05:14:04] | iamlindoro: | the point is to have fun developing it and making it do what you want, and if other people like/use it, great, but who cares |
| [05:14:21] | phi2039: | what type of development do you do iamlindoro? |
| [05:14:22] | wagnerrp: | phi2039: mythtv is only interested in the users, so long as it brings in new developers to further help |
| [05:14:22] | kormoc: | Aye, it's cool, here it is, enjoy or not |
| [05:14:36] | iamlindoro: | I do the semi-broken kind |
| [05:14:47] | kormoc: | It's been said, Mythtv, by developers for developers, and it fits |
| [05:14:48] | phi2039: | as do we all |
| [05:14:50] | iamlindoro: | the kind that smart people have to clean up after |
| [05:15:03] | sphery: | I'd spend more time trying to make Myth enjoyable except for the fact that I still have 700hrs of recorded TV I haven't finished watching. |
| [05:15:26] | phi2039: | I don't even turn on my tv...I'm a horribe xbmc user |
| [05:15:31] | sphery: | DVR = "Developer Video Recorder" |
| [05:15:34] | phi2039: | I would probably ask dumb questions |
| [05:15:56] | AlTheKiller: | Damn it, I picked the wrong project. |
| [05:16:08] | AlTheKiller: | I've been trying to push that mentality at XBMC for awhile. |
| [05:16:26] | wagnerrp: | i dont much see the point of xbmc unless youre using a tv |
| [05:16:26] | sphery: | it takes time... |
| [05:16:45] | AlTheKiller: | Why on earth would you not be using a TV? |
| [05:16:48] | sphery: | We're trying to learn how to alienate users from the ffmpeg devs, but they're orders of magnitude better than we are. |
| [05:16:52] | wagnerrp: | i mean why not just open up a file explorer, and an instance of mplayer |
| [05:16:59] | iamlindoro: | boy are they |
| [05:17:32] | iamlindoro: | I'll send people away, but even I'm not brazen enough to lead them around through ten rounds of rewriting their patches, then ignore them |
| [05:17:49] | wagnerrp: | AlTheKiller: the running joke is that the 'feature request' page on the wiki gets piped to /dev/null |
| [05:18:16] | AlTheKiller: | Ours may as well too. |
| [05:18:27] | AlTheKiller: | Unless it comes with decent looking patches. |
| [05:18:41] | wagnerrp: | well patches show up on trac |
| [05:18:55] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I do have a cron job running every hour: wget 'http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Feature_Wishlist' -o /dev/null |
| [05:18:59] | sphery: | it's not just a joke |
| [05:19:09] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, All I do with the feature request page is every few months go there, remove the stupid ones, remove the ones we already do and call it good |
| [05:19:10] | wagnerrp: | but a feature request is largely ignored, unless someone willing to code actually wants the feature |
| [05:19:39] | AlTheKiller: | Why? |
| [05:19:44] | phi2039: | crap...I'm not going to get anything committed today |
| [05:19:49] | AlTheKiller: | Let them sit, give the poor bastards hope. |
| [05:20:22] | sphery: | at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Feature_Wishlist under Platforms: MythTV Frontend and backend runnning on a Casio fx7000G (1985) pocket calculator |
| [05:20:29] | sphery: | why give them hope? |
| [05:21:11] | phi2039: | ok...I'll grant you that that is a retarded request |
| [05:21:13] | AlTheKiller: | Because it's fun to crush? |
| [05:21:19] | phi2039: | AlTheKiller: did you submit that? |
| [05:21:26] | wagnerrp: | well that was only meant to lampoon all the request for replacement firmwares on STBs |
| [05:21:31] | AlTheKiller: | No, I asked for the TI-89. |
| [05:21:32] | phi2039: | I told you to get rid of that thing |
| [05:21:46] | kormoc: | the ti-89 rocked! |
| [05:22:05] | wagnerrp: | my 89 is currently within arms reach |
| [05:22:05] | sphery: | TI-89 would be much more reasonable, I mean, really, an fx7000G? |
| [05:22:24] | wagnerrp: | doesnt the casio have 4 colors? |
| [05:22:45] | phi2039: | my shirt has more processing power than that |
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| [05:29:14] | phi2039: | TI-89...hah...HP48G bay |
| [05:29:17] | phi2039: | *baby |
| [05:29:33] | wagnerrp: | youre not one of those RPN people are you? |
| [05:29:35] | sphery: | agreed... HP rocks. RPN or a pencil, please. |
| [05:29:41] | phi2039: | amen |
| [05:29:43] | wagnerrp: | ugh... |
| [05:29:58] | kormoc: | Oh noes! It's highschool again! NERD FIGHT! |
| [05:30:10] | phi2039: | geektastic |
| [05:31:52] | wagnerrp: | does MTD support batch processing, like the myth jobqueue? |
| [05:32:58] | phi2039: | nice talking with you all...good luck |
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| [05:40:59] | Anduin: | wagnerrp: no |
| [05:41:15] | wagnerrp: | just wondering |
| [05:41:33] | wagnerrp: | was looking through the feature requests page, and there was one for 'batch processing or clustering' |
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| [05:43:51] | iamlindoro: | hopefully mtd will be rendered moot by MBE taking on full transcode capabilities one of these days |
| [05:44:37] | wagnerrp: | is that when the backend will wholly consume ffmpeg? |
| [05:45:36] | iamlindoro: | everything that's needed is really already there between libavformat, codec, and swscale, someone would "just" need to write the interface |
| [05:45:56] | iamlindoro: | someone allegedly had most of the work done, but you know how that goes |
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| [06:53:07] | justdave: | wow, Mac Mini works so much better as a Myth frontend when you add more RAM to it. :) |
| [06:54:50] | justdave: | just bumped my year-old mini from 1GB up to 3GB (4GB physically, but it only sees 3 for some reason) |
| [06:55:08] | justdave: | and now it plays 1080p xvid without any frame dropping. that was jumpy before |
| [06:57:42] | ** kormoc starts jailbreaking his ipod touch 2g.... ** | |
| [06:58:37] | kormoc: | this is a scary process... |
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| [07:08:11] | wagnerrp: | they made a 2GB version? |
| [07:08:22] | kormoc: | nah, second generation |
| [07:08:30] | wagnerrp: | oh |
| [07:08:38] | wagnerrp: | 2g... just... hardly seems worth it |
| [07:08:39] | kormoc: | The non-teathered jailbreak was finally released a few hours ago |
| [07:08:43] | wagnerrp: | 2GB rather |
| [07:08:48] | kormoc: | yeah |
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| [07:09:11] | wagnerrp: | jailbreak for running non-app-store apps? |
| [07:09:15] | kormoc: | Aye |
| [07:10:15] | kormoc: | and stuff like theming the interface, running daemons, etc |
| [07:10:27] | kormoc: | and in theory, eventually getting the bluetooth working |
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| [07:12:54] | Shadow__X: | kormoc, any specific apps you going to run |
| [07:13:11] | wagnerrp: | iPron obviously... |
| [07:13:15] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [07:13:27] | kormoc: | nah, I have no idea, I just wanted to play with them and see |
| [07:13:32] | CCFL_Man2: | i jailbroken my 2G iphone |
| [07:13:33] | Shadow__X: | i saw that wiggle app |
| [07:13:52] | Shadow__X: | just makes me think how depraved you have to be to need an app like that |
| [07:13:59] | Shadow__X: | other than in occasional jest |
| [07:14:06] | wagnerrp: | im sure thats all it is |
| [07:14:13] | wagnerrp: | someone made the app, just because they could |
| [07:14:27] | Shadow__X: | hmm |
| [07:14:27] | wagnerrp: | much like there are animated strippers available for my 89 |
| [07:14:41] | Shadow__X: | ti 89? |
| [07:14:42] | wagnerrp: | someone handcoded it in 68k assembler... because they could |
| [07:14:47] | CCFL_Man2: | the app i use the most is iSSH i think |
| [07:15:40] | CCFL_Man2: | i use swirlymms, siax, fstream from the app store |
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| [07:15:56] | kormoc: | I want to play with themeing the device too |
| [07:15:57] | wagnerrp: | personally i thought it was an impressive display of full motion video on a measly 10MHz chip... |
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| [07:16:04] | kormoc: | it's too plain as is |
| [07:16:18] | CCFL_Man2: | it can do 3d games |
| [07:16:48] | kormoc: | Aye the ray tracing engine was really snazzy |
| [07:16:56] | wagnerrp: | well my ti-89 had a doom clone |
| [07:17:10] | wagnerrp: | but that doesnt mean one would actually want to play it |
| [07:17:27] | CCFL_Man2: | i'd like to see some more 3d games for it, like a half life clone |
| [07:17:33] | kormoc: | ticalc.org |
| [07:17:37] | kormoc: | ooh, those were the days |
| [07:17:50] | kormoc: | I wrote a chunk of their site engine back in 98/99 |
| [07:17:50] | Shadow__X: | i have orig doom on maemo |
| [07:17:51] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: i havent been there in almost 10 years |
| [07:17:52] | Shadow__X: | :D |
| [07:18:20] | wagnerrp: | CCFL_Man2: have you seen the half-life remake using the source engine? |
| [07:18:43] | CCFL_Man2: | wagnerrp: i only saw half life source |
| [07:18:55] | wagnerrp: | http://www.blackmesasource.com |
| [07:19:03] | wagnerrp: | its a complete re-creation from scratch |
| [07:19:31] | wagnerrp: | i peed a little in anticipation the first time i saw the videos |
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| [07:25:36] | CCFL_Man2: | oh |
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| [07:28:23] | CCFL_Man2: | wagnerrp: i think i did pee myself |
| [07:28:34] | CCFL_Man2: | because i loved the first one |
| [07:28:42] | CCFL_Man2: | i loved the science lab theme |
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| [09:47:35] | anykey_: | justinh: do you remember what needs to be done in the buttonlist to allow autosizing? I'm stuck a bit and I think I've used a completly wrong approach. |
| [09:47:55] | stuarta: | justinh: that maplins thing is back in stock |
| [09:52:23] | justinh: | anykey_: as I remember it, setting the area of the text element is fine, then in mythuibuttonlist.cpp iterate through all an item's children & set the sizes to the biggest seen |
| [09:52:48] | justinh: | stuarta: good if you want one ;) |
| [09:53:27] | justinh: | anykey_: my last diff was close I think |
| [09:53:44] | anykey_: | justinh: can you upload it somewhere? I have plenty of time right now |
| [09:53:51] | justinh: | I did upload it |
| [09:53:55] | justinh: | not got it anymore |
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| [09:54:08] | ** stuarta ordered one nearly 2 weeks ago ** | |
| [09:55:18] | anykey_: | justinh: well, did you do the iteration in calculatevisibleitems? |
| [09:55:32] | justinh: | feck knows |
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| [09:58:01] | justinh: | made a new method in mythuitypes.cpp IIRC called CollapseArea which recursively called ExpandArea |
| [09:58:14] | justinh: | dunno what worked & what didn't |
| [09:58:39] | justinh: | maybe gbee has a copy of the last diff I uploaded. I've spat the dummy out with it |
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| [11:55:10] | motd2k: | justdave: how uch videoram does it allocate with 4GB of RAM? |
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| [12:57:21] | justinh: | heh. turned out I wasn't using screen |
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| [13:02:17] | sphery: | I'm completely disappointed by the visibility of the Qt bug/development process... Reported a bug yesterday, but bugs aren't "visible" until they're approved by moderators. Got an auto-reply today giving a task number and saying, "We have read your email but require more time to deal with it." The bug is still not visible through their tracker. |
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| [13:03:38] | sphery: | Kind of feels like I just reported a Windows bug to MS, not like reporting a bug to a FOSS project. |
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| [13:04:07] | justinh: | Qt is a product IMHO, not a project |
| [13:05:33] | sphery: | Yeah, I guess the free version is just a holdover from original licensing. |
| [13:06:16] | justinh: | bloody hell. Qt4 has been around since 2005 |
| [13:07:16] | sphery: | yeah, and funny enough they had a similar bug in the 2005 Qt4 preview (they "fixed" it that time by removing the code causing the issue, rather than by fixing the issue) |
| [13:08:35] | gbee: | sphery: when I reported a bug, I couldn't even find a public facing bug tracker, just a submission form |
| [13:09:00] | gbee: | I was emailed a direct link to the report so that I could follow it |
| [13:09:32] | sphery: | tracker is now at http://www.qtsoftware.com/developer/task-tracker and the task # is 248047 , but it's not available there, yet |
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| [13:10:29] | sphery: | I think the problem was that I submitted a complete description of the bug as well as a fix... All the new ones going in are just random bug reports (often lacking detail and lacking patches) |
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| [13:10:58] | gbee: | this was a couple of years ago and I'm not saying it didn't exist, but at the time I couldn't find anything like that on their site |
| [13:11:01] | sphery: | gbee: so are you using nvidia drivers, again? |
| [13:11:23] | sphery: | well, the whole qtsoftware.com domain is new, so it's quite possible that it didn't exist then |
| [13:12:43] | gbee: | sphery: never stopped |
| [13:13:02] | sphery: | got UseEvents enabled? |
| [13:13:28] | gbee: | yup |
| [13:13:43] | ** gbee wonders where this is going ** | |
| [13:14:49] | sphery: | from my statement in #mythtv that got lost in the GSoC discussion: 03.12 08:34:14 < sphery> gbee: Meant to mention, yesterday, but regarding your being hit by keyboard/remote non-responsiveness during playback, the most-recent clues on the -users list seem to indicate those affected are using nvidia drivers without UseEvents enabled. Applicable? |
| [13:15:39] | sphery: | I'm still thinking the -fixes users with non-responsiveness are probably failing to enable UseEvents. In trunk, though, it could still be locking issues. |
| [13:15:49] | gbee: | sphery: ahh, yeah I completely missed that |
| [13:15:51] | sphery: | (since UseEvents doesn't apply in your case) |
| [13:16:13] | gbee: | this only affected me when I tried LiveTV, never once seen it with recordings/videos |
| [13:16:42] | sphery: | trunk, though? |
| [13:16:49] | gbee: | yep |
| [13:17:13] | gbee: | hardly using my production box atm, too much to play with in trunk : |
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| [13:24:21] | sphery: | wow... the Qt task is finally there: http://www.qtsoftware.com/developer/task-trac . . . mp;id=248078 |
| [13:26:04] | justinh: | somebody listening somewhere? ;) |
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| [13:31:11] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
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| [13:38:22] | rhpot1991: | anyone familiar with the seagate SV35.3 series? |
| [13:38:32] | sphery: | gbee: oh, and I got the direct e-mail when they made the task available, just like you said. :) |
| [13:39:04] | justinh: | who'd want HDDs optimised for surveillance? |
| [13:39:18] | justinh: | marketing BS if ever there was |
| [13:39:52] | rhpot1991: | justinh: thats what I was wondering if there is much of a difference, based on the description it sounds like it would be a good fit here but is there really a difference? |
| [13:40:17] | justinh: | not worth paying extra for if that's what you mean |
| [13:40:41] | rhpot1991: | ya it would be the same price for a 1TB SV35.3 as a 1.5TB Baracuda |
| [13:40:49] | rhpot1991: | though the baracudas now only have a 3 year warranty |
| [13:41:14] | justinh: | we've been doing studies at work for a long time on various product families & 2 years down the line they all tend to fail as often as one another |
| [13:41:26] | sphery: | I buy my HDD's based on price (and, for Myth, factoring in storage capacity). Others here buy certain brands/series based on their past experiences. |
| [13:41:44] | sphery: | I.e. they buy WD Green drives and make fun of me for buying Seagate 1.5TB HDD's with firmware bugs... |
| [13:41:49] | shadash: | And people wonder why business backup data to tape |
| [13:42:06] | justinh: | keep the drive temperatures well below the max ratings & mount them properly – that's all you need do |
| [13:42:09] | shadash: | tape = good for 20 years |
| [13:42:26] | justinh: | shadash: assuming it was written properly in the first place |
| [13:42:28] | sphery: | CD = good for 100 years |
| [13:42:36] | sphery: | oh, wait, that was just the marketing BS :) |
| [13:42:42] | justinh: | shadash: and stored properly |
| [13:42:56] | shadash: | garbage in = garbage out nothing you can do about that |
| [13:43:15] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...it doesn't help if they smash the box with your tapes and then leave it out in the freezing rain. |
| [13:43:24] | justinh: | doing _something_ is always better than nothing.. after that it's degrees of diminishing returns |
| [13:43:37] | shadash: | I don't know lto tapes are pretty rugged |
| [13:43:37] | sphery: | wow, the 1.5TB Seagates have gone up to $129.99 from $99.99 |
| [13:43:48] | justinh: | anyway. no point buying 'optimised' drives |
| [13:44:04] | justinh: | look after em & they'll last as long as they're likely to last |
| [13:44:06] | JEDIDIAH__: | the black eye is fading (seagates black eye) |
| [13:44:14] | sphery: | that may be it |
| [13:44:25] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...except no one looks after their own tapes. |
| [13:44:39] | sphery: | I will admit that upgrading the firmware on the 2 (of 3) affected 1.5TB's I bought was painless. |
| [13:44:59] | ** JEDIDIAH__ needs to update his firmwares... ** | |
| [13:45:04] | rhpot1991: | sphery: 99 on sale? |
| [13:45:08] | sphery: | I moved all data from them before doing so, but would have been OK even had I not done so (though I'm not recommending others try). |
| [13:45:11] | rhpot1991: | their 1tb is normally 99 |
| [13:45:41] | sphery: | rhpot1991: about a month or 2 ago, they were $99.99 at newegg without any rebates or promo codes. |
| [13:45:47] | sphery: | for a few weeks at least |
| [13:45:48] | XLV: | samsung will introduce a 1.5TB with three platters.. |
| [13:45:55] | ** justinh wishes his work would allow employees to buy through them. we get 1TB drives for £notmuch ** | |
| [13:45:57] | JEDIDIAH__: | A 3TB drive will be roughly equivalent to a 100 BD jukebox |
| [13:46:02] | XLV: | so 2TB with four is near |
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| [13:46:34] | justinh: | numbers we buy are verging on silly. Not Dell kind of silly but we get good discounts |
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| [13:46:59] | XLV: | i guess all this economic recess makes manufs hold back.. 500GB platters have been around for a while and noone has 2TB hdd out yet |
| [13:47:16] | justinh: | they've even decreed we can't even be _given_ drives now. Even if they can't be used in saleable product :( |
| [13:47:24] | JEDIDIAH__: | hmmm, recess. |
| [13:47:27] | rhpot1991: | sphery: firmware flash was easy enough under linux? |
| [13:47:33] | justinh: | lol |
| [13:47:37] | ** JEDIDIAH__ gets dibs on the merry-go-round ** | |
| [13:48:23] | sphery: | JEDIDIAH__: because of how much space is actually used on BD? (I.e. doesn't BD hold up to 50GB? Meaning that 3TB is equivalent to the capacity of 60 BD-ROM's.) |
| [13:48:47] | JEDIDIAH__: | Dark night is 33GB |
| [13:49:03] | sphery: | XLV: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136344 |
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| [13:49:10] | sphery: | 2TB is out and has been for a couple months |
| [13:49:42] | XLV: | sphery, thats 7200rpm? plus its too expensive.. |
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| [13:49:55] | sphery: | I agree it's too expensive, but it's out. |
| [13:50:05] | JEDIDIAH__: | -rwxr--r-- 1 nobody nogroup 33G 2009-03–10 14:55 00007.m2ts |
| [13:50:06] | sphery: | and why wouldn't you buy a 7200RPM? |
| [13:50:42] | justinh: | because it'll melt the elastic bands he mounts his HDDs with of course |
| [13:50:46] | clever: | (limit 10 per customer) |
| [13:50:47] | clever: | :O |
| [13:50:47] | clever: | who the hell needs 20tb!? |
| [13:50:58] | XLV: | sphery, i would buy a 7200rpm, but not a 5400rpm, and some of those wd green caviars run at 5400rpm iirc |
| [13:51:06] | sphery: | JEDIDIAH__: oh, and I heard that the compression on Dark Knight is /very/ low (and it's a long movie), so I guess much of the space on BD-ROM's is wasted |
| [13:51:07] | justinh: | clever: no computer will ever need more than 16K of RAM. EVER |
| [13:51:27] | JEDIDIAH__: | I think "unused" would be a better way to put it. |
| [13:51:45] | justinh: | yeah 33GB is _wasted_ on that disk :P |
| [13:51:47] | sphery: | XLV: it's a 7200 |
| [13:51:49] | XLV: | scrap that, that one seems to be 7200rpm hdd |
| [13:51:52] | clever: | justinh: isnt that what we said about 1tb being plenty a few years ago:P |
| [13:52:02] | clever: | ive now got my 1tb drive 97% full! |
| [13:52:16] | sphery: | JEDIDIAH__: well, unused implies a possibility of using it :) |
| [13:52:17] | JEDIDIAH__: | got another movie more worthy of 30GB of HDD space justin? |
| [13:52:21] | justinh: | clever: I dunno. I'm just glad I've got one of the 5 or so computers the world will ever need |
| [13:52:37] | ** JEDIDIAH__ has more than 5 of those computers. ** | |
| [13:52:39] | JEDIDIAH__: | '-) |
| [13:52:40] | justinh: | JEDIDIAH__: don't get me started |
| [13:52:55] | sid3windr: | so |
| [13:53:02] | sid3windr: | latest linux format has a "build the ultimate mythtv box" |
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| [13:53:20] | lwizardl: | hi |
| [13:53:21] | justinh: | I'm just pissed cos I'll have to watch the crapfest they call Horne & Corden tonight |
| [13:53:22] | JEDIDIAH__: | I guess I will need to get to the bookstore so I can see that and snicker. |
| [13:53:25] | sid3windr: | in which they say the backend needs to have lotsa powah and the frontend may be a tiny box |
| [13:53:31] | sid3windr: | I got confused. |
| [13:53:50] | sid3windr: | I guess in case of framegrabber they may have a point, but otherwise it would be the exact opposite, no? :P |
| [13:53:52] | JEDIDIAH__: | married in the UK? |
| [13:53:59] | justinh: | A/S/L? |
| [13:54:05] | sid3windr: | JEDIDIAH__: it's only the hardware they discuss btw, frontend/backend in one :) |
| [13:54:19] | lwizardl: | for a mythtv dvd server whats needed to have either VOB files or ISO files? |
| [13:54:35] | justinh: | every time a linux mag mentions mythtv I shudder. they always get it completely wrong one way or another |
| [13:54:36] | JEDIDIAH__: | This is Linux. Do it however you like. |
| [13:55:10] | JEDIDIAH__: | This isn't iTunes. |
| [13:55:12] | justinh: | and yes, there's only one way to guarantee the facts are right. do it yourself. but I'm not about shouting mythtv from the roofstops anymore |
| [13:55:32] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [13:55:46] | lwizardl: | JEDIDIAH__, if that was to me. but which way has better playback vob/iso? |
| [13:55:48] | sid3windr: | why not? can you come and fix my setup while you're at it? as a demo example? :D |
| [13:56:27] | sphery: | sid3windr: yeah, that's completely backwards |
| [13:56:32] | JEDIDIAH__: | "better" is a term vague enough to be pretty meaningless most times. |
| [13:56:36] | justinh: | but even the most basic of research would reveal that outlandish statements like "browse the web while watching TV" are essentially wrong. Oh, and they never bother to get recent screenshots either |
| [13:56:50] | sid3windr: | lwizardl: the iso has the same vobs, so there is no "better playback" |
| [13:56:58] | justinh: | on the same basis I could do a mag article about Freevo |
| [13:57:07] | sphery: | My 2 dedicated backends are Athlon XP 2400+ w/1GB and Athlon XP 2000+ w/512MB and my frontend is an Athlon X2 6000+ w/2GB |
| [13:57:18] | sid3windr: | there's nothing wrong with browsing the web while watching tv, JEDIDIAH__ |
| [13:57:20] | sphery: | lightweight frontends are just plain wrong |
| [13:57:22] | sid3windr: | err justinh |
| [13:57:32] | sid3windr: | you just do it on your laptop |
| [13:57:41] | justinh: | lwizardl: do you want just the movies or the functionality of the actual disks? ISO gives you the whole disk |
| [13:57:48] | sid3windr: | well my frontends are reasonably light |
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| [13:57:58] | justinh: | sid3windr: the implication is that it's all on the one screen |
| [13:57:59] | sid3windr: | some pentium dualcore 2.2GHz or so |
| [13:58:00] | ** JEDIDIAH__ uses an ancient laptop to browse the web while watching TV. ** | |
| [13:58:10] | sid3windr: | justinh: I figured.. :] |
| [13:58:16] | lwizardl: | justinh, full functionality just like if i had used the pressed disk |
| [13:58:32] | JEDIDIAH__: | VOB files also give you the whole functionality of the title, but fewer frills. |
| [13:58:34] | justinh: | lwizardl: you'd be wanting ISO then |
| [13:58:40] | janneg: | iamlindoro: no |
| [13:58:43] | justinh: | with menus & all that crap |
| [13:58:46] | sid3windr: | yeah, my frontends are pentium dualcore 2.4Ghz, geforce 8400 and 8500, 1G RAM, networkbooted |
| [13:58:57] | sid3windr: | but I don't do hd so they're fine for now ;) |
| [13:59:03] | sphery: | lwizardl: and the VOB's are a complete waste of space as they have garbage (DVDNAV) in them that's useless without the IFO's. In an ISO, you get VOB's and IFO's. If you don't want the full disk, transcode to remove the useless garbage. |
| [13:59:33] | sid3windr: | does mythvideo play iso's? |
| [13:59:50] | justinh: | yes |
| [13:59:54] | sid3windr: | nice. |
| [13:59:55] | JEDIDIAH__: | the internal player plays m2ts files. |
| [14:00:03] | sphery: | sid3windr: yeah, for SDTV, that's not a lightweight frontend |
| [14:00:24] | JEDIDIAH__: | yeah... sidewinders frontends could play BD rips. |
| [14:00:40] | sphery: | sid3windr: well, MythVideo in 0.21-fixes plays ISO's... Trunk, not so much (at least if using the MythVideo storage group support)... |
| [14:00:42] | justinh: | the internal player will chomp into DVDs just fine. unless it's one of the nasty newer disks you need the all-new improved all-singing & dancing libdvdnav for ;) |
| [14:00:43] | mzb_d800: | makes my M10K look like a toy ;) |
| [14:01:05] | lwizardl: | justinh, ok because what i want to do is have my backend also the dvd server and store as many of my movies on TB drives as I can. so I never had to worry where the disc is at currently (which room in the house) |
| [14:01:29] | sphery: | justinh: but trunk, where DVD playback isn't fully supported, has a new dvdnav sync. :) |
| [14:01:35] | justinh: | I can't relate to that. never watched a film enough times |
| [14:01:41] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...the main thing is sorting out the storage and remote access to it. what form the movies are in is just a matter of taste. |
| [14:01:53] | justinh: | not much worth buying let alone watching more than once :P |
| [14:02:10] | lwizardl: | well that depends on your tastes for movies |
| [14:02:24] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...and your timeframe. |
| [14:02:26] | lwizardl: | see I love the Troma movies so those I always watch and buy |
| [14:02:31] | rhpot1991: | I had an issue playing ISOs over my network (NFS share) where the video would "skip" and catch up with the sound, xine doesn't show the same behavior |
| [14:03:39] | sid3windr: | sphery: ah, it's not ligthweight? dunno man – I just grabbed the cheapest lga775 cpu, a stick of ram, a mATX board and a passively cooled geforce :x |
| [14:03:57] | sid3windr: | do you think it can do HD too? I guess maybe I'd need to up the video card a bit more for viddy pow or so |
| [14:04:06] | justinh: | HD... HD what? |
| [14:04:15] | justinh: | HD mpeg2? HD wmv? HD QT ? |
| [14:04:20] | sid3windr: | HD EVERYTHING! |
| [14:04:23] | sid3windr: | :> |
| [14:04:30] | sid3windr: | whatever someone broadcasts on dvb-s |
| [14:04:33] | sid3windr: | or so. :P |
| [14:04:41] | justinh: | still sketchy |
| [14:04:53] | sid3windr: | I'm not much of a bluray buyer or so, so the only way I'll encounter HD is when someone broadcasts it |
| [14:05:04] | sid3windr: | which is why I'm not really in the know of bitrates and codecs ;) |
| [14:05:10] | justinh: | nothing wrong with budgeting for more |
| [14:05:11] | sid3windr: | I only know what I see passing here |
| [14:05:22] | sphery: | sid3windr: Any frontend that requires VDPAU for playback is, IMHO, too lightweight... Better off up'ing the processor. |
| [14:05:31] | sid3windr: | oh :) |
| [14:05:37] | sid3windr: | well, I guess I'd need a new cpu |
| [14:05:42] | ** sid3windr shudders ** | |
| [14:05:48] | sid3windr: | my laptop hd just made a huge screeching scratching sound |
| [14:05:53] | sid3windr: | want new. :/ |
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| [14:05:59] | laga: | sid3windr: HP laptop? |
| [14:06:04] | sid3windr: | dell |
| [14:06:08] | laga: | ah |
| [14:06:09] | sid3windr: | oh and now some nice clunking sounds |
| [14:06:13] | laga: | my HP laptop does it, too. |
| [14:06:14] | sid3windr: | 5y old dell btw :) |
| [14:06:21] | sid3windr: | so it's probably dying right in front of me |
| [14:06:23] | sid3windr: | with no backups :p |
| [14:06:30] | justinh: | I'd hoped VDPAU was going to prove to be more than xvmc ever was but I'm not holding out hope anymore |
| [14:06:42] | XLV: | sid3windr, pentium dual core or pentium4 d.. the first maybe with a slight overclock to 2.6Ghz is enough for HD ( even mpeg4 ) if its p4d, its not |
| [14:06:56] | GreyFoxx: | I turn on VDPAU decoding the other day after switching to 180.37 and forgot to turn it off |
| [14:07:06] | GreyFoxx: | I used it for several days without knowing it and had no problems |
| [14:07:24] | justinh: | GreyFoxx: but the minute you realised.. it fell over? :P |
| [14:07:25] | GreyFoxx: | and I ALWAYS use the VDPAU output renderer even with software decoding |
| [14:07:33] | GreyFoxx: | justinh: no :) |
| [14:07:48] | GreyFoxx: | I happened to be watching my frontend logs which use -v playback and saw the playback setup :) |
| [14:08:15] | justinh: | somebody at work recommended I watch 'They Live' last weekend. Oh God. That's time I'll never see again |
| [14:08:19] | sid3windr: | XLV: it's a pentium dualcore |
| [14:08:23] | sid3windr: | so the c2d based crap one :p |
| [14:08:44] | justinh: | my FE will play 'HD' |
| [14:09:12] | justinh: | but chuck it some BBC HD & it seems a little wanting |
| [14:09:13] | XLV: | sid3windr, its not crap.. it just has less cache and lower fsb. just increase the fsb slighty to get it to 2.6GHz or so, it should be able to handle all hd content |
| [14:09:46] | sid3windr: | well yeah, it's not crap.. but it's tuned down ;) |
| [14:09:58] | sid3windr: | it's in a teeny tiny case though |
| [14:10:02] | XLV: | sid3windr, i got a c2d 6320 ( 1.8Ghz, 4MB cache ) overclocked to 2.5 .. handles everything i have tried to play on it |
| [14:10:04] | sid3windr: | dunno if overclocking is such a good idea |
| [14:10:38] | justinh: | dunno if OCing is ever a good idea IMHO |
| [14:10:56] | XLV: | sid3windr, yeah, that could be a problem. but those cpus run quite cool, and should be able to overclock to 2.6 without increasing voltages at any part ( cpu, nb etc ) so the temp wont rise much |
| [14:11:30] | sid3windr: | justinh: yea, that too ;) |
| [14:11:46] | sid3windr: | my backend is a c2d e4400 sitting hugely idle :p |
| [14:12:06] | XLV: | sid3windr, i got a large silverstone lc20 case, and a freezer 7 pro cooler with 9cm fan, temp is 42C on load with the fan at 900rpm or so |
| [14:12:26] | sid3windr: | now a possibly stupid question from someone who probably didn't read the entire wiki : when a recording is commercialflagged, does the frontend automatically skip them or do you have to press a button to go past them? |
| [14:13:08] | justinh: | depends what you set it to do |
| [14:13:21] | justinh: | if autoskipping is enabled, which it's not by default... |
| [14:14:29] | sid3windr: | XLV: I have http://www.muizenshop.nl/layout/media/5401-5600/5551_1_image.jpg |
| [14:14:35] | sid3windr: | (but in all black) |
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| [14:15:28] | XLV: | yeah.. too small, but its worth a try ( to oc it i mean ).. and in any case, a e7200 or e7300 or something similar doesnt cost much anyhow |
| [14:15:39] | sphery: | So I wonder if this Graham Morrison guy who seems to write all the Linux Format articles on MythTV is on the -users list... |
| [14:16:37] | sid3windr: | amazingly I seem to be able to backup my data :] |
| [14:16:51] | justinh: | sphery: listall@gmail.com ? |
| [14:18:38] | justinh: | wish to God they'd do away with Tux |
| [14:18:59] | justinh: | makes me ashamed to be a linux user, that stupid retarded looking mascot |
| [14:20:05] | sphery: | justinh: impressive that you knew that. |
| [14:20:15] | gbee: | aww, why isn't Yellowstone being shown in HD? |
| [14:20:55] | justinh: | "Mythbuntu uses an |
| [14:20:56] | justinh: | external application |
| [14:20:56] | justinh: | called MPlayer to |
| [14:20:56] | justinh: | play AVI video files. |
| [14:21:00] | justinh: | oh shat |
| [14:21:15] | justinh: | sorry :-\ |
| [14:22:47] | justinh: | sphery: just googled the guy's name & mythtv :P |
| [14:22:50] | sphery: | that's from the article? |
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| [14:23:32] | justinh: | from _an_ article about mythbuntu |
| [14:23:40] | sphery: | justinh: more creative than I... I searched for his name in the archive and found nothing |
| [14:23:45] | sphery: | justinh: Oh, good... |
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| [14:24:03] | sphery: | well, better than in the LF article, that is |
| [14:24:05] | justinh: | from November last year though |
| [14:24:09] | justinh: | in LF |
| [14:24:21] | sphery: | oh |
| [14:24:29] | justinh: | by Graham Morrison |
| [14:25:11] | sphery: | wonder if MythBuntu changes the default player for AVI's (I think it's Internal, now) |
| [14:25:33] | sphery: | the default default, that is--in vanilla mythvideo |
| [14:25:51] | justinh: | oh bad. Press R on a selected programme to open a rules creator |
| [14:26:02] | justinh: | BAD |
| [14:26:19] | justinh: | does nobody proofread this stuff? ever? |
| [14:27:00] | ddettman: | hehe I was just reading and wondering about that line this morning. |
| [14:28:47] | justinh: | heheh. "then vlick on Finish" |
| [14:29:24] | justinh: | I'd hate to be on duty here when somebody treating one of those articles as a howto comes in asking for help |
| [14:29:25] | sid3windr: | sphery: I actually think that on the mythtv debian package the default for avi's is mplayer |
| [14:29:27] | iamlindoro: | many an american backpacker has vlicked the Finnish |
| [14:29:31] | sid3windr: | or hm, maybe that's for dvd's? |
| [14:29:52] | ** iamlindoro always tries to start the morning with a smarmy remark ** | |
| [14:29:56] | sid3windr: | I remember changing -something- to internal :) |
| [14:30:08] | justinh: | they're pitching these articles as howtos though aren't they? |
| [14:30:15] | sid3windr: | yup |
| [14:30:17] | sid3windr: | kinda |
| [14:30:19] | justinh: | they want stringing up |
| [14:31:01] | sid3windr: | justinh can do a 12-part series of mythtv setup. starts with "SOD EVERYTHING YOU READ ABOUT MYTHTV IN THIS MAG SO FAR" |
| [14:31:04] | sid3windr: | :> |
| [14:31:49] | lwizardl: | hehe I'd probably buy that mag then. I don't buy any magazines that talk about mythtv anymore |
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| [14:34:39] | iamlindoro: | justinh, Did you read last night's scrollback, when we were called to task for being mean to everyone's favorite Boxee-parent-software, in spite of it not having been mentioned for *NINE DAYS* in channel? |
| [14:35:11] | sid3windr: | oh what time? :] |
| [14:35:51] | iamlindoro: | http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1/2009-03-12 |
| [14:35:57] | iamlindoro: | Start at 00:40:00 |
| [14:36:33] | motd2k: | still watching. |
| [14:36:45] | iamlindoro: | So *watch*, it was still ridiculous |
| [14:36:55] | gbee: | hey, I can't be mean to XBMC? Actually I don't think I've ever been mean exactly, I just can't see the point of XBMC and I'd sooner see those devs invest their time in MythTV instead |
| [14:37:20] | sid3windr: | heh |
| [14:37:34] | sid3windr: | xbmc sucks ass. |
| [14:37:39] | sid3windr: | yeah, I said ass. |
| [14:38:09] | motd2k: | :) |
| [14:38:15] | sid3windr: | smiley = agree. |
| [14:38:41] | motd2k: | dont make me codslap you! |
| [14:39:02] | gbee: | I'm all for choice, but XBMC has always seemed like a division of effort to me, never really understood it |
| [14:39:06] | sphery: | Huh, looks like the default for avi is to use the "Default Video Player," where the default value for the "Default Video Player" is mplayer |
| [14:39:21] | sid3windr: | sphery: yeah, that's what I thought! |
| [14:39:23] | gbee: | sphery: well that has to change |
| [14:39:28] | sphery: | gbee: agreed |
| [14:39:31] | iamlindoro: | sphery, I *think* the fix for that got committed to trunk in my patch for new file types |
| [14:40:00] | sphery: | iamlindoro: could be--I was looking at -fixes, only, as that's the one that articles would (should) be written about |
| [14:40:03] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Though I have two hunks still sitting here locally for the default DVD command and maybe one other-- Anduin knows and plans on fixing it before .22 |
| [14:40:04] | gbee: | but I believe Anduin has come around to that for 0.22, remove the mplayer stuff etc |
| [14:40:38] | sphery: | gbee: external player no longer works if you use MV SG support... :) |
| [14:40:41] | gbee: | with the remote streaming stuff external players are technically dead in the water anyway |
| [14:40:48] | sphery: | yeah |
| [14:41:07] | iamlindoro: | GF's fix for ISO/Video_TS apparently fixed them again, though |
| [14:41:11] | sphery: | except if we do some sort of FUSE-based hack (like the one I heard GreyFoxx is planning for DVD ISO's) |
| [14:41:13] | iamlindoro: | er fixes |
| [14:41:18] | gbee: | iamlindoro: shh! |
| [14:41:24] | iamlindoro: | I mean |
| [14:41:25] | iamlindoro: | erm |
| [14:41:30] | sphery: | I say rip out the external player support. |
| [14:41:30] | iamlindoro: | No it doesn't |
| [14:41:37] | iamlindoro: | I say aye! |
| [14:41:44] | sid3windr: | gbee: oooh, .22 has remote streaming? |
| [14:41:54] | ** sid3windr gots to get on the commits ml or something =) ** | |
| [14:42:04] | gbee: | sid3windr: of videos from the backend to any frontend without NFS etc, yes |
| [14:42:10] | sid3windr: | yeah, that's what I meant |
| [14:42:10] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [14:42:17] | sphery: | Let the naysayers make their own "plugin", a la "Apple Trailer Plugin", that puts a ton of menu entries in mythfrontend--one for each video :) |
| [14:42:24] | sid3windr: | that's a way nicer way imo |
| [14:42:26] | iamlindoro: | Off to work, let me know if any devs from any other projects show up because I was mean to their software |
| [14:42:34] | sid3windr: | gbee: does mythmusic also use/do it? :) |
| [14:42:36] | iamlindoro: | Here, I'll get them started-- grep has syphillis |
| [14:42:48] | wombo1: | mossi moss |
| [14:42:54] | gbee: | sid3windr: not yet, but I'm hoping it will before the release of 0.22 |
| [14:42:56] | sid3windr: | iamlindoro: damn. |
| [14:43:08] | wombo1: | sorry wont window |
| [14:43:14] | sid3windr: | gbee: cool, I can strike one of the things I think was odd from the list :> |
| [14:43:17] | wombo1: | _Wrong |
| [14:43:45] | gbee: | music/photos/video _should_ all end up streaming from a single backend |
| [14:43:47] | sid3windr: | although it didn't really bother me as it's now set up like that :] |
| [14:43:49] | sphery: | heh, and I just assumed that was some 1337 speak I didn't understand... |
| [14:44:15] | motd2k: | you're a funny guy iamlindoro – have fun at work |
| [14:44:21] | sid3windr: | obtw |
| [14:44:21] | sphery: | gbee: from multiple backends, if desired, though, right? |
| [14:44:23] | gbee: | oh and video includes DVDs |
| [14:44:26] | sid3windr: | now that I read something about upmixing in the logs |
| [14:44:36] | sid3windr: | if I enable that my audio is f00ked. :/ |
| [14:44:36] | gbee: | sphery: if desired sure |
| [14:45:19] | sphery: | gbee: Y\eah, the DVD ISO/VIDEO_TS stuff is annoying, though, as players (including Internal, TTBOMK) need a filesystem... Thus the FUSE hack. |
| [14:45:24] | gbee: | think I'll start merging in the mythmusic UI port for those screens I've completed, so themers can get started |
| [14:45:44] | sphery: | that will give iamlindoro something to do at work... |
| [14:45:58] | gbee: | internal foesn't need a filesystem, but libdvdcss does unfortunately |
| [14:46:03] | sphery: | or, I guess that will give iamlindoro_ something to do at work |
| [14:46:28] | sphery: | ahhhh... that makes sense... I don't play DVD's on my Myth box, so I wouldn't know. |
| [14:46:42] | sphery: | (too much TV to watch DVD's, anyway) |
| [14:47:01] | GreyFoxx: | yeah libdvdcss accesses the content directly rather than from a buffer we fill up |
| [14:48:07] | sphery: | I'm guessing changing that would be quite a project. |
| [14:48:27] | GreyFoxx: | Yeah |
| [14:48:31] | GreyFoxx: | Much easier to fake a FS :) |
| [14:48:42] | GreyFoxx: | It's crazy easy |
| [14:50:44] | justinh: | iamlindoro: tbh I couldn't care what any dev of stinky software says. Let them eat forks |
| [14:52:12] | sid3windr: | my spoon is too big |
| [14:52:55] | wagnerrp: | YES!! you consumer whore! |
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| [14:54:40] | justinh: | have I ever mentioned that XBMC also looks like ass? even the new skins? but I can't be arsed to do anything about it? nevermind Just another OSS user now |
| [14:54:41] | GreyFoxx: | haha that log Re xbmc is funny. Looks like someone was trying to stir up shit by telling them we were trashing them and at least partially succeeded :) |
| [14:55:16] | sid3windr: | GreyFoxx: oh but it was deserved! moar trashing! |
| [14:55:39] | GreyFoxx: | Not being a regular xbmc user I wouldn't trash it, but I will say some of their UI looks visually pleasing :) |
| [14:55:47] | sid3windr: | must keep up stereotypical basher. motd2k still watching. |
| [14:55:59] | motd2k: | hehe give over |
| [14:56:25] | motd2k: | its only justinh we have issues with, but he can just 'crawl back under his rock' |
| [14:56:30] | motd2k: | :P |
| [14:57:20] | GreyFoxx: | Nice, we lost a leg of our network because someone unplugged a router to plug in a vaccuum :) |
| [14:57:30] | wombo1: | haha |
| [14:57:49] | sid3windr: | time for redundancy :p |
| [14:57:58] | GreyFoxx: | And they only admitted it after we showed them the zoneminder video stream showing them reaching for the cord before it goes offline :) |
| [14:58:12] | GreyFoxx: | sid3windr: That particular leg is the only part not on a ring |
| [14:58:43] | justinh: | motd2k: so you can't say mythtv devs are dissing xbmc cos I'm not a dev |
| [14:59:12] | sid3windr: | he's underdev even! |
| [15:01:24] | motd2k: | no one said anything about devs, someone told us how you had issues with the projects 'morality', and had been bashing publically... |
| [15:01:41] | motd2k: | which to be frank is a bit rich |
| [15:01:44] | justinh: | I wouldn't be the only one |
| [15:01:56] | sid3windr: | since when is bashing publicly a crime? |
| [15:02:07] | justinh: | but I'd say that this channel isn't the place to take it up with me. or anywhere else |
| [15:02:19] | sid3windr: | coming into someone else's project's irc channel "HELO I AM XBMC" is quite ... childish is the word that comes to mind |
| [15:02:30] | ** justinh hurries up & registers xbmcsucks.com ** | |
| [15:02:57] | motd2k: | sid3windr: you trying to bait a responce from me, you'll fail |
| [15:03:00] | wagnerrp: | motd2k: the only mention of 'morality' that i recall, was a story of someone coming in with a problem with a file, telling one of the devs what file and release group, and that dev subsequently torrenting (pirating) the file to assist |
| [15:03:28] | sid3windr: | motd2k: I'm not. I'm making a public statement. |
| [15:03:34] | motd2k: | no, it wasnt that – it was about us scraping imdb |
| [15:03:44] | gbee: | motd2k: well it does seem that a lot of XBMC are illegally downloading content and that XBMC, from an outsiders point of view, 'enables' that behaviour |
| [15:04:06] | justinh: | not only that, but blatently disregarding websites' T&Cs etc |
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| [15:04:25] | sid3windr: | well it's not like myth wasn't scraping imdb :p |
| [15:04:45] | justinh: | yeah but how soon did that change when they amended the T&Cs? |
| [15:04:49] | Dibblah: | What on earth is this? |
| [15:05:12] | gbee: | we regularly get XMBC thrown in our faces when denying feature requests which are directly related to piracy or acts of copyright violation etc – "MythTV sucks, XBMC don't care so why should you" etc |
| [15:05:17] | Dibblah: | IMHO, this channel is about myth. If you're not interested in Myth, leave. |
| [15:05:22] | sphery: | Wow... That e-mail address that's sending an auto-reply to every -users e-mail sent is getting annoying... Still don't know if it's a spammer or some forgetful guy on vacation, since I've forgotten way too much Spanish. "GRACIAS por enviar tu lista de invitados, en la puerta anunciate como Lista Trinity. Te esperamos!" |
| [15:05:50] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i gave you the (poor google) translation yesterday |
| [15:06:08] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, saw it, but didn't have a Google->English translator :) |
| [15:06:20] | wagnerrp: | fair enough... |
| [15:06:27] | bobbob1016: | For some reason, mythtv's transcode from a DVD backup isn't creating indexes for the files it makes. If I play them with mplayer -idx /path/to/file it plays, any ideas? |
| [15:06:31] | gbee: | Thankyou for sending your list invitation, on the door announced ... something |
| [15:06:45] | sphery: | that's pretty similar to what google said... |
| [15:07:15] | sid3windr: | on the door anounced like a Trinity list. :p |
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| [15:07:16] | gbee: | my spanish is poor :/ |
| [15:07:34] | bobbob1016: | sphery, "Thank you for sending your list of invitations, on the door announced like Trinity List. We're waiting!" |
| [15:07:41] | sphery: | gbee: if you have list permissions and want to unsubscribe him, e-mail is: lista at trinitygroup dot com dot ar |
| [15:07:54] | gbee: | sid3windr: yeah, it's nonsensical which is why I was unsure of the translation |
| [15:08:05] | sid3windr: | =) |
| [15:08:14] | sid3windr: | makes no sense indeed |
| [15:08:16] | Dibblah: | Well, since it's also appearing on the OO list... |
| [15:08:19] | sphery: | yeah, nonsensical is usually a good indicator of spam |
| [15:08:21] | gbee: | sphery: I don't, afaik only Chutt has admin of that list |
| [15:08:29] | justinh: | maybe those emails are from Koy4Goff |
| [15:08:47] | justinh: | where everybody speaks spam-ese |
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| [15:09:15] | wagnerrp: | why is it that these ML threads about backend backups and moves happen so often? |
| [15:09:17] | sphery: | heh, googling that term yields amusing results |
| [15:09:32] | sphery: | wagnerrp: good question... |
| [15:09:47] | sphery: | It's actually quite straightforward (as long as you don't do crazy things). |
| [15:10:03] | bobbob1016: | My mythdvd rip is now dropping jobs for no reason I can see. I set 5 titles to rip, it ripped 2 without making an index, now on the third, and it dropped the other titles since it says job 1 of 1 |
| [15:10:24] | sphery: | I guess, though, people who haven't done it, yet, are afraid. (After all, imagine how bad losing your MythTV history would be...) |
| [15:10:28] | gbee: | motd2k: err, just read what I wrote before, that should have been "XBMC users" not just "XBMC" – I'm sure XBMC don't intend to aid piracy, just that they don't appear to disassociate themselves from it either |
| [15:10:28] | wagnerrp: | not only is it straight forward, but it has been covered in a hundred threads previous, and on the wiki, and on a handful of other howtos online |
| [15:11:53] | bobbob1016: | wagnerrp, who was that to? |
| [15:12:12] | sphery: | to me, about the backup thing |
| [15:12:52] | bobbob1016: | sphery, Ok, wasn't sure if it was to me. |
| [15:13:05] | wagnerrp: | bobbob1016: general complaint about the mailing list, completely detached to any current discussion in here |
| [15:13:10] | sphery: | I'm guessing everyone else is as ignorant of the inner workings of mtd/DVD ripping as I or they'd be helping you. |
| [15:13:38] | wagnerrp: | yeah... never used it |
| [15:14:30] | bobbob1016: | Yeah, I figured as much. I was just wondering. I mean handbrake does it well enough, so no big deal, I just prefer the 10' interface to ssh-ing into the machine, and starting handbrake over ssh |
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| [15:15:30] | bobbob1016: | gbee, I missed the feature that the guy wanted myth to support that xbmc has apparently, mind enlightening me? |
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| [15:16:46] | sphery: | wagnerrp: So, regarding that thread, was my, "or you will make a mess that will require a /lot/ of work to clean up," statement too transparent? Could you see the implied, "for me," meaning a lot of work for me to write up instructions on how to fix things? |
| [15:18:21] | wagnerrp: | not really |
| [15:18:28] | sphery: | heh, good |
| [15:18:48] | wagnerrp: | of course i dont see why it would be a /lot/ of work |
| [15:19:16] | wagnerrp: | a quick 'delete all from settings where hostname="whatever"' would suffice |
| [15:19:33] | sphery: | no, there's a lot of hostname based stuff in other tables that would also be broken |
| [15:19:47] | wagnerrp: | and its not like they couldnt just recover from their backup and try again |
| [15:19:55] | sphery: | that's the easiest approach |
| [15:21:18] | sphery: | but often they find out there are issues after recordings, so then I have to explain the options... |
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| [15:55:31] | Hilikus: | hey guys |
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| [15:56:12] | justinh: | well, seen as there seems to be a shortage of people to upset... |
| [15:56:14] | Hilikus: | im trying to do a slingbox-like streaming service using my mythbox, i found out mythstreamtv but it seems that there's some functionality already builtin |
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| [15:56:57] | Hilikus: | but what i want to do is reenconde in real time and on demand |
| [15:57:05] | Hilikus: | i dont want to reencode every show |
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| [15:57:20] | iamlindoro_: | Awesome, can't wait to see your mythbackend patches, let us know when you're done ;) |
| [15:57:39] | Hilikus: | so it's not possible? |
| [15:57:50] | GreyFoxx: | Hilikus: There is nothing built into the backend to do that |
| [15:58:08] | Hilikus: | oh ok, what about installing mythstreamtv? |
| [15:58:25] | Hilikus: | it seems that exacrtly what it does, am i wrong? |
| [15:58:32] | GreyFoxx: | No clue about that as it's a thirdparty plkugin for mythweb which I haven't seen in years |
| [15:58:44] | Hilikus: | i see |
| [15:59:29] | GreyFoxx: | Mythweb itself has some behind the scenes flash transcoding stuff I've used to watch a few things, but it's very immature at this point |
| [15:59:45] | wagnerrp: | its functional, but only for recordings, not livetv |
| [15:59:47] | GreyFoxx: | While it works just fine for me, it does not support seeking |
| [15:59:52] | GreyFoxx: | and no livetv currently |
| [16:00:01] | ** JEDIDIAH__ rips way to much stuff for a UI in the living room to make any sense. So I ignore those parts of myth entirely. ** | |
| [16:00:24] | Hilikus: | well i've seen the asx link but if it's not transcoded its not good to me since it would be too big to stream |
| [16:00:38] | JEDIDIAH__: | I would rather drag PVR related activities AWAY from the living room. |
| [16:00:48] | GreyFoxx: | Hilikus: you can ffmpeg live flash transcoding as well, can't remember how I had to enable it though |
| [16:00:59] | Hilikus: | oh really? |
| [16:01:21] | wagnerrp: | GreyFoxx: thats how mythweb works |
| [16:01:24] | Hilikus: | everything ive done with ffmpeg is reeeeeally slow, didnt know i could transcode in real time |
| [16:01:54] | wagnerrp: | Hilikus: if ffmpeg is slow, its because your computer is too slow, or youre running too high quality |
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| [16:05:08] | JEDIDIAH__: | quality settings can easily make an order of magnitude difference in transcoding speed. |
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| [16:05:45] | Hilikus: | even if my pc is fast, its at least 100X slower, even with a super fast pc i could get what, 80X slower? so i dont think ffmpeg is slow because of my computer, its because of quality and also because transcoding in itself is a computationally expensive operation compared to others |
| [16:06:12] | wagnerrp: | what is your machine? |
| [16:06:19] | wagnerrp: | are you trying to transcode HD content? |
| [16:06:22] | wagnerrp: | to HD? |
| [16:06:45] | Hilikus: | AMD 1.8GHz with i think 750MB ram |
| [16:06:49] | Hilikus: | sd to sd |
| [16:07:00] | wagnerrp: | single core? |
| [16:07:04] | Hilikus: | yes |
| [16:07:14] | wagnerrp: | 754 chip? |
| [16:07:24] | wagnerrp: | or socket a? |
| [16:07:48] | Hilikus: | im not sure, IIRC its socket A, i got it 6 years ago |
| [16:08:26] | Shadow__X: | hey iamlindoro you here |
| [16:08:28] | wagnerrp: | so youre saying computer have only improved by 25% in the last 6 years? |
| [16:08:33] | Shadow__X: | i got a great question |
| [16:08:40] | Shadow__X: | can i recover data off of xfs |
| [16:08:42] | Shadow__X: | lol |
| [16:09:04] | wagnerrp: | anyway... that chip should be able to manage the quality settings used by the ffmpeg/flash streaming in mythweb |
| [16:09:07] | Hilikus: | and when im tryinmg to transcode for mytharchive, a 30min show takes like 4 hours |
| [16:09:15] | wagnerrp: | with SD content, in real time |
| [16:09:23] | meshe: | my husbands old 2.66 Ghz dual core transcodes at 1.5x his new core 2 duo 3 Ghz transcodes at 3x |
| [16:09:24] | Hilikus: | excellent, i'll try that |
| [16:09:58] | wagnerrp: | mytharchive transcodes mpeg2, and its going to be fairly high bitrate mpeg2 at that |
| [16:10:04] | meshe: | a 6 year old processor will transcode like .25-.75ish |
| [16:10:11] | Hilikus: | thats probably why |
| [16:10:22] | wagnerrp: | its usually considerably faster to transcode from DVD to divx/xvid, than the other direction |
| [16:10:30] | Hilikus: | oh ok |
| [16:10:34] | Hilikus: | didnt know that |
| [16:11:00] | wagnerrp: | of course when youre doing a dvdrip, youre also cutting the bitrate by a sixth, so thats not really a fair comparison |
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| [16:11:47] | wagnerrp: | anyway, your chip should have no problem transcoding a standard definition recording to sorenson in real time |
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| [16:14:17] | Hilikus: | i know i can trigger transocding from mythweb, but would i be able to starts playing it right away before it is completed? |
| [16:14:43] | wagnerrp: | you have to enable it first, in the settings in mythweb |
| [16:14:52] | Hilikus: | enable what? |
| [16:15:18] | wagnerrp: | after that, go into recorded programs, go into the individual pages for one of the recordings, and hit the 'play' button on the flash player |
| [16:15:30] | wagnerrp: | flash streaming is an experimental feature |
| [16:15:38] | wagnerrp: | it is disabled by default within mythweb |
| [16:15:40] | Hilikus: | is it the ASX streaming buttong? |
| [16:15:44] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [16:16:00] | Hilikus: | ok, ill look into that |
| [16:16:06] | Hilikus: | thanks a lot wagnerrp |
| [16:16:15] | wagnerrp: | also, you must have ffmpeg installed, with mp3 support, for this to work |
| [16:16:22] | Hilikus: | i read of a different way with VLC that i might try |
| [16:16:29] | Hilikus: | i do |
| [16:18:19] | Hilikus: | http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_stream.php |
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| [16:19:44] | wagnerrp: | i wouldnt trust a single thing that guy says |
| [16:19:51] | Hilikus: | lol, really? |
| [16:19:54] | Hilikus: | why |
| [16:20:10] | wagnerrp: | hes recording DVB, and somehow ending up with nuvs |
| [16:20:20] | wagnerrp: | that speaks of all sorts of fail |
| [16:21:28] | wagnerrp: | he claims to have mpeg2 inside of nuvs, but mythtv will only produce a nuv when transcoding |
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| [16:21:38] | Hilikus: | hmm |
| [16:21:41] | wagnerrp: | meaning it will only contain RTJPEG, or MPEG4ASP |
| [16:21:54] | laga: | wagnerrp: mythtv used to use .nuv for dvb recordings |
| [16:21:56] | iamlindoro_: | That page hadn't been updated in *ages* last I checked, it's likely hopelessly out of date |
| [16:22:08] | iamlindoro_: | doesn't stop a few people a week from trying to follow it, but... |
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| [16:22:29] | iamlindoro_: | That page even links myth_rename.pl's great grand pappy |
| [16:22:56] | wagnerrp: | mythlink? here i thought that was just some program he wrote himself... to do the same thing as mythrename |
| [16:23:05] | sphery: | but even if he was talking about MPEG files with a .nuv extension, he's /very/ wrong to call the NUV's |
| [16:23:29] | sphery: | Why did Windows have to teach the world that file extensions have any kind of meaning? |
| [16:24:14] | sphery: | Funny how some brain-dead developer does things wrong and all of the sudden the world thinks the broken approach is the only possible one... |
| [16:24:30] | wagnerrp: | how else are you going to tell a nuv, from an avi, from an mpeg, from a matroska? besides actually opening the file anyway... |
| [16:24:37] | clever: | some linux programs like eog are also 'broken' |
| [16:24:45] | clever: | it cant open jpeg data in a .gif |
| [16:24:45] | Hilikus: | well, as long as VLC still supports that feature it should be a good starting point, even if the mythtv info is wrong, this circunvents myth, you access and stream the recordings directly from the FS |
| [16:24:56] | sphery: | (OK, probably wasn't brain-dead, but was budget-/time-constrained, but still, it's just plain wrong--and it's still wrong in the latest and greatest.) |
| [16:25:20] | sphery: | clever: if eog is a Qt program, it's because Qt is broken |
| [16:25:21] | wagnerrp: | i agree that a program should not use the extension to identify the file |
| [16:25:33] | wagnerrp: | but its still very reasonable to have them around for the user to identify the file |
| [16:25:43] | sphery: | though I'm guessing since it's GNOME, it's not Qt |
| [16:26:07] | clever: | and the tab complete on bash+mplayer+ubuntu refuses to let me tabcomplete 'non-video' files like .nuv |
| [16:26:08] | clever: | sphery: Eye Of Gnome, i think thats a gnome program:P |
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| [16:26:35] | clever: | but i use xli alot more for simple image viewing |
| [16:26:41] | sphery: | wagnerrp: just like all file names should include the date/time stamp, the permissions, the program used to create the file, and the author's name... ;) |
| [16:26:55] | clever: | eog takes alot more time to start and will update the last-mod on every file in the dir |
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| [16:28:26] | sphery: | I'm just very much opposed to encoding unrelated information into a filename. |
| [16:28:36] | wagnerrp: | sphery: so your saying the file system should store additional metadata about the file? or that all file formats should include a standardized header, that all OSs understand how to interpret? |
| [16:29:09] | sphery: | basically saying that a filename should be used to store the name of a file |
| [16:29:20] | sphery: | other metadata should be stored separately |
| [16:29:25] | iamlindoro_: | exif for gneral files would be quite nice |
| [16:29:41] | iamlindoro_: | and no, I don't mean actual exif, but something exif-like-- |
| [16:29:49] | sphery: | I really don't care where, but the filename is a bad place to put it... |
| [16:29:59] | wagnerrp: | i wouldnt mind all that stuff being in some exif-like format, if such a thing existed |
| [16:30:25] | wagnerrp: | but it has to be something actually attached to the file |
| [16:31:02] | sphery: | If you rely on that, you have stupid browser developers completely ignoring more-relevant information, like using the file extension to determine the file type and completely ignoring the Content-Type that's reported by the web server. (Yeah, I'm looking at you, IE.) |
| [16:32:22] | sphery: | then people don't set up their web servers properly, the web server sends Flash content as application/binary, and standards-compliant browsers can't do anything but offer to allow you to save the file. |
| [16:33:31] | sphery: | Didn't Apple have a standardized metadata format for files back in like the Apple II days? |
| [16:33:48] | iamlindoro_: | yes, their file fork thing |
| [16:34:04] | iamlindoro_: | they dropped it in the past few years in favor of extensions :( |
| [16:34:16] | Shadow__X: | hey clever any suggestions on recovering deleted files of xfs |
| [16:34:30] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: heh, they don't even use a file-utility-based approach? |
| [16:35:13] | wagnerrp: | Shadow__X: ive generally been told 'give up' |
| [16:35:57] | Shadow__X: | :( |
| [16:36:03] | Dibblah: | XFS isn't completely secure and tends to have not to bad fragmentation. |
| [16:36:03] | Shadow__X: | close to a tb of files |
| [16:36:17] | Dibblah: | So sometimes you can recover through file pattern matching. |
| [16:36:18] | sphery: | Myth recordings? |
| [16:36:39] | Shadow__X: | for the most part |
| [16:36:40] | Shadow__X: | yes |
| [16:36:54] | sphery: | well, good thing there tend to be lots of re-runs :) |
| [16:37:04] | Shadow__X: | Dibblah, any suggestions |
| [16:37:21] | wagnerrp: | have enough file space to completely back up the disk image? |
| [16:37:23] | Dibblah: | If it's mpeg-ts/ps, you're boned. |
| [16:37:34] | Shadow__X: | mostly avi's |
| [16:37:34] | Dibblah: | Something like jpegs are moderately easy. |
| [16:37:49] | Dibblah: | In which case, redownload your porn collection. |
| [16:37:56] | dougl: | lol |
| [16:38:26] | wagnerrp: | Shadow__X: do you have enough free space to back up the disk image? |
| [16:38:32] | Shadow__X: | nope |
| [16:38:35] | Shadow__X: | wish i did |
| [16:38:38] | Shadow__X: | 3tb array |
| [16:38:45] | wagnerrp: | well then youre boned |
| [16:39:14] | wagnerrp: | you can trying taking the whole thing offline (unmounting it) |
| [16:39:24] | wagnerrp: | and running something like foremost |
| [16:39:53] | wagnerrp: | http://foremost.sourceforge.net |
| [16:40:22] | wagnerrp: | but for large files like videos |
| [16:40:36] | wagnerrp: | its highly doubtful youll ever make a full recovery of any of the files |
| [16:41:14] | meshe: | how did they get deleted? rm? |
| [16:43:11] | iamlindoro_: | hammer |
| [16:43:33] | wagnerrp: | basically, you can recover text, and maybe smaller files like documents and images |
| [16:43:48] | wagnerrp: | but video (complete video) is near impossible |
| [16:44:19] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp, basically my n810 flipped out on me |
| [16:44:32] | Shadow__X: | i dont even understand how it did that |
| [16:44:33] | wagnerrp: | how so? |
| [16:44:45] | iamlindoro_: | How did a tablet PC bork your array? |
| [16:44:56] | wagnerrp: | it go through and start clicking on every button in mythweb? |
| [16:44:56] | Shadow__X: | i was running an update command in a shell |
| [16:45:09] | Shadow__X: | i flipped back to it and it deleted aload of stuff |
| [16:45:34] | wagnerrp: | 'help me! googlebot has deleted everything!' |
| [16:45:44] | Shadow__X: | basically |
| [16:46:14] | Shadow__X: | i mean esp that on the n810 its mounted like /home/user/Mydocs/Remote_filesystem/server/files |
| [16:46:22] | Shadow__X: | i def didnt do that intentionally |
| [16:46:36] | wagnerrp: | you mounted it read/write? |
| [16:46:55] | Shadow__X: | yeah i was trying to do rdiff-backup |
| [16:47:13] | wagnerrp: | my backends are the only thing that gets write access to anything |
| [16:47:23] | Shadow__X: | yeah well i learned the very hard way |
| [16:47:25] | Shadow__X: | :( |
| [16:47:37] | wagnerrp: | well... frontends to get access to the mythvideo image cache |
| [16:47:44] | wagnerrp: | i guess that could run rampant and trash that |
| [16:47:47] | Shadow__X: | eh i am out off to take an exam |
| [16:47:53] | Shadow__X: | :( |
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| [16:53:46] | justdave: | motd2k: how would I tell? (how much video ram) |
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| [16:54:23] | motd2k: | are you running linux on it now? |
| [16:54:52] | justdave: | yeah |
| [16:55:20] | motd2k: | in the NVIDIA X server settigbs app |
| [16:55:27] | clever: | wagnerrp: have you seen an overview of how all the signals/slots in qt work together before? |
| [16:55:35] | justdave: | I have one original intel mini and two new intel minis. |
| [16:55:41] | justdave: | the two new ones still have 1GB RAM in them |
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| [16:55:49] | justdave: | the local place didn't carry DDR3 so I had to mailorder it |
| [16:55:52] | justdave: | hasn't got here yet |
| [16:55:53] | wagnerrp: | clever: cant say i have any idea how anything in qt works |
| [16:55:58] | motd2k: | ahh |
| [16:56:08] | justdave: | I did bump the old one up to 4GB (it only sees 3GB) but it's got an intel video card |
| [16:56:11] | motd2k: | i just wondered if pushing it to 4GB gave it 512MB VRAM |
| [16:56:15] | clever: | wagnerrp: lol, i just put together a patch which will log every single signal&slot to stdout |
| [16:56:18] | clever: | as they fire |
| [16:56:28] | wagnerrp: | there is a mini that can take DDR3? |
| [16:56:37] | justdave: | wagnerrp: yeah, the new ones that just came out last week |
| [16:56:52] | justdave: | they use DDR3 1066 and officially go up to 4GB |
| [16:56:59] | wagnerrp: | because theyre such high performance machines... they need that memory |
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| [16:57:16] | wagnerrp: | of course DDR3 1066 is absolutely worthless |
| [16:57:18] | motd2k: | theyre quite a reasonable spec tbh |
| [16:57:22] | justdave: | 2.2 GHz Core 2 Duo |
| [16:58:19] | justdave: | the old one with 1.83 Ghz C2D can do 1080p xvid without framedropping (scaled down to 720p) after I added the RAM |
| [16:58:26] | justdave: | so I have high expectations of the two new ones |
| [16:58:47] | justdave: | (it was jumpy playing those same files before the RAM was added) |
| [16:59:13] | gbee: | iamlindoro: well you can get started on theming the miniplayer, it's a straight port IIRC, no real fancy stuff yet i.e. no statetypes for playback status, or audio codec |
| [16:59:35] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: Cool, saw the commit-- will probably do what I can tomorrow night |
| [17:00:00] | wagnerrp: | i dont consider a 2.2 C2D sufficient need for DDR3 |
| [17:00:01] | motd2k: | justdave: its VDPAU capable too |
| [17:00:25] | wagnerrp: | TBH, i wouldn't consider DDR3 until i got into a quad core, or were at least heavily overclocking a dual core |
| [17:00:30] | motd2k: | wagnerrp: the GPU uses the extra memory bandwidth as well |
| [17:00:53] | wagnerrp: | oh... shared memory... |
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| [17:01:17] | gbee: | might just have to dive back into the port/re-write of the main screens soon :/ |
| [17:02:13] | wagnerrp: | either way, i cant believe the northbridge on the minimac cant handle 1066DDR2 |
| [17:02:18] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: Did you catch my little ogg sample from last night? |
| [17:03:07] | wagnerrp: | or is it more that money is no object to apple, and they dont want to run over spec |
| [17:03:25] | ** Dibblah wants a nice VDPAU capable ARM based box :( ** | |
| [17:03:55] | Dibblah: | Like the sheevaplug, but with slightly more integrated. |
| [17:05:39] | wagnerrp: | Dibblah: so you want a tegra? |
| [17:05:45] | meshe: | i like the idea of the new mac mini for a fe, c2d and 110 watts max |
| [17:06:27] | Dibblah: | Yeah, that's about what I want :) |
| [17:06:44] | iamlindoro_: | Tegra is snazzy |
| [17:07:00] | iamlindoro_: | I rather hope the tegra = next gen iPhone stuff is true |
| [17:07:29] | wagnerrp: | supposedly theyre pumping out windows mobile and android hardware |
| [17:08:00] | iamlindoro_: | I don't think they care what runs on it |
| [17:08:21] | iamlindoro_: | I'm sure they'd be happy to sell the chipset to any takers :) |
| [17:08:59] | Dibblah: | ... As long as the order manifest asks for 200k+ :( |
| [17:09:07] | ** Dibblah guesses they don't sample. ** | |
| [17:09:20] | wagnerrp: | why would they not sample? |
| [17:09:33] | iamlindoro_: | I bet they sample if you're a major international company |
| [17:09:45] | wagnerrp: | no company is going to buy a block of 200k chips before build some tech samples into prototypes |
| [17:10:37] | Dibblah: | Okay, I guess they won't sample _to me_ ;) |
| [17:10:51] | iamlindoro_: | heh |
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| [17:12:28] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: saw a screenshot if that's what you mean? |
| [17:12:34] | wagnerrp: | so mozilla 3.1 may actually make my laptop viable for web browsing again! |
| [17:12:44] | wagnerrp: | well... as long as i disable flash... |
| [17:13:12] | sphery: | really? big improvement over 3.0? |
| [17:14:18] | wagnerrp: | supposed to have a just-in-time JS compiler like webkit |
| [17:15:01] | sphery: | my biggest problem with 3.0 is the image-morphing-in-JS used by sites when they detect you have no Flash |
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| [17:15:35] | sphery: | It maxes out my system for a few to >30seconds, with no UI response to the back button |
| [17:16:14] | sphery: | (These being Sempron 3300+ or so systems) |
| [17:16:26] | wagnerrp: | my biggest problem is on forums, where i use the same login for my desktop and laptop |
| [17:16:33] | wagnerrp: | i put the page as large as possible for my desktop |
| [17:16:37] | sphery: | still noticeable on my X2 systems, but not as bad |
| [17:16:44] | wagnerrp: | so then it ends up completely ravaging my laptop |
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| [17:17:33] | sphery: | yeah, and now when you change view size (Ctrl+ or Ctrl- or Ctrl-wheel) it changes /all/ windows/tabs... annoying as only the one I'm looking at had the tiny text... |
| [17:18:03] | ** gbee gave up on FF3 and switch to Opera 9.6 ** | |
| [17:18:07] | gbee: | ed |
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| [17:33:22] | jams: | well done gbee |
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| [17:36:48] | jams: | gbee had you noticed opera has lirc support |
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| [17:47:55] | JonXP: | Is it possible to stream live (not recorded) TV to anything that isn't a MythTV frontend? For example, from a backend to VLC? |
| [17:48:16] | justdave: | if you have MythWeb installed, yes |
| [17:48:24] | GreyFoxx: | No, vlc would have to understand the mythtv protocol |
| [17:48:27] | GreyFoxx: | and it doesn't |
| [17:48:37] | GreyFoxx: | even with mythweb it doesn't stream livetv |
| [17:48:45] | JonXP: | Man |
| [17:48:53] | justdave: | er... yeah, MythWeb streams prerecorded but not live |
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| [17:49:00] | SpaceBass: | JonXP, XBMCworks |
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| [17:49:09] | JonXP: | I can't believe no one has written that yet |
| [17:49:10] | ** motd2k hides ** | |
| [17:49:11] | GreyFoxx: | unless someone on the vlc end has been working on that which I haven't heard of |
| [17:49:11] | SpaceBass: | space... xbmc works |
| [17:49:24] | justdave: | actually, I bet you could play back the recording in progress, since it records livetv by default |
| [17:49:29] | SpaceBass: | and the xbmc fork, plex works on the mac very well |
| [17:49:34] | justdave: | as long as you didn't catch up to it while playing it back |
| [17:49:40] | kormoc: | Live streaming is as easy as 'record this' + stream the recording stream |
| [17:49:51] | JonXP: | But XBMC is still a full screen program, right? |
| [17:49:59] | SpaceBass: | you can run it in windowed mode |
| [17:50:03] | JonXP: | OK |
| [17:50:06] | SpaceBass: | but its not as lightweight as VLC if thats what you mean |
| [17:50:11] | meshe: | if the transcode to flash catches up to the recording will it just wait for more data |
| [17:50:14] | meshe: | ? |
| [17:50:19] | clever: | meshe: probly wont |
| [17:50:26] | JonXP: | Nah I don't care about footprint, I care about screen realestate |
| [17:50:27] | clever: | hit the end of the file and stop for good |
| [17:50:35] | SpaceBass: | and this plugin looks very promising http://code.google.com/p/mythbox/ |
| [17:50:47] | SpaceBass: | JonXP, what tuner are you susing? |
| [17:50:48] | SpaceBass: | using |
| [17:50:52] | meshe: | yeah, so the record this now and watch in flash player probably won't work |
| [17:50:52] | ** SpaceBass really cannot type today ** | |
| [17:51:11] | JonXP: | I'm using a few different ones. Various pieces of hardware I picked up on sales |
| [17:51:16] | SpaceBass: | gotcha |
| [17:51:17] | kormoc: | meshe, I've never had that happen *shrugs* |
| [17:51:25] | SpaceBass: | was going to mention that the HDhomerun will stream live to VLC |
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| [17:51:49] | meshe: | kormoc: interesting, i've only ever used it for prerecorded shows |
| [17:51:54] | JonXP: | Yeah, if I had an HDHomeRun I probably wouldn't be using Myth. :D |
| [17:52:09] | SpaceBass: | :D |
| [17:52:24] | SpaceBass: | I use my mythbacked as a scheduler and recorder...but never mess with mythfrontend at all |
| [17:52:34] | iamlindoro_: | If all you care about is liveTV, you *shouldn't* be using Myth |
| [17:52:34] | SpaceBass: | using Plex on the TV and VLC on the desktop |
| [17:52:59] | JonXP: | Well, i want the recording and scheduling, but I also want to be able to watch live tv on any computer in the house |
| [17:53:03] | JonXP: | While "working" |
| [17:53:13] | SpaceBass: | and speaking of the HDhomerun – there is some kind of defect that prevents it from tuning our local ABC station – anyone have a suggestion for an el cheapo HD tuner card? |
| [17:53:40] | j-rod: | kormoc: live streaming... |
| [17:53:46] | meshe: | SpaceBass: are you sure it's not encrypted? |
| [17:53:57] | SpaceBass: | JonXP check out XBMC, I think you'll be hapy |
| [17:54:05] | SpaceBass: | meshe, OTA signal |
| [17:54:26] | j-rod: | kormoc: last I tried (maybe a year ago now), I couldn't stream anything that wasn't already recorded |
| [17:54:53] | j-rod: | because the transcode happened so fast, it caught up to the end of the in-progress recording and stopped |
| [17:55:10] | kormoc: | huh |
| [17:55:12] | kormoc: | fair 'nuff |
| [17:55:19] | kormoc: | I should look into metering that a bit |
| [17:55:22] | j-rod: | but then that was ages ago |
| [17:55:27] | j-rod: | so maybe it Just Works now |
| [17:55:35] | kormoc: | My server is also fairly busy most of the time |
| [17:55:51] | GreyFoxx: | What would rock would be for the flash stuff to work for mythvideo content (and of course seeking, but I know that will be hard) |
| [17:56:12] | j-rod: | this was when I had a far busier server that was actually slower than my current backend, so the situation ought to be easy for me to repro :) |
| [17:56:31] | gbee: | jams: lirc support? No, but then I really only use it as a browser, prefer separate apps for browsing/email/irc/news |
| [17:56:31] | SpaceBass: | the flash stuff just isn't quite there yet...but has a lot of promise |
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| [17:56:52] | kormoc: | GreyFoxx, it actually does with only a few small changes, I should commit that |
| [17:56:52] | SpaceBass: | I'd love to be able to stream live/recorded to a mobile device (like the iphone) and have it auto sense the bandwidth, etc like orb.com |
| [17:57:09] | GreyFoxx: | kormoc: The video stuff or seeking ? |
| [17:57:13] | kormoc: | video stuff |
| [17:57:16] | GreyFoxx: | sweet |
| [17:57:29] | kormoc: | sadly iphone streaming is a nightmare to do without pre-encoding |
| [17:57:31] | meshe: | live is very difficult for iphone |
| [17:57:50] | kormoc: | we stream pre-recorded/pre-encoded videos to the iphone via mythweb just fine right now |
| [17:58:00] | kormoc: | but it's gotta be very specific encoded |
| [17:58:01] | GreyFoxx: | kormoc: Any plans to make the ffmpeg kitrate/resolution/so on configurabke > |
| [17:58:08] | kormoc: | Aye, there are |
| [17:58:19] | GreyFoxx: | I should see if I can play via it on my n810 |
| [17:58:33] | SpaceBass: | kormoc, I've had similar luck creating a "podcast" with mythexport ... but thats not something that works well when you are 'on the go' |
| [17:58:51] | gbee: | crying shame that no-one has made the necessary mythtranscode changes for the flash streaming |
| [17:59:01] | SpaceBass: | I'd LOVE to be able to whip out my iphone and change channels, etc and stream live stuff...wow...but understand the challenges involved, et |
| [17:59:10] | iamlindoro_: | or even better, just teach mythbackend to do mythtranscode's job |
| [17:59:51] | GreyFoxx: | the problem with flash is that to seek you need to have the index/keyframe list at the start of the file which is not easty to do without actually transcoding. Unless you fake the index and accept mild corruption when seeking |
| [18:00:32] | clever: | what about having the flash 'applet' request video from 300 seconds into the file |
| [18:00:39] | SpaceBass: | any suggestions on a cheap HD capture card? |
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| [18:00:43] | GreyFoxx: | and since flash players support h264 these days that would be nice for nicer video and low bitrates |
| [18:00:44] | clever: | then you just seek there with ffmpeg and restart encoding at that point |
| [18:00:48] | SpaceBass: | anything cheaper than the HDTVPC card? |
| [18:01:43] | kormoc: | h246's seeking is just as broken |
| [18:01:45] | gbee: | thought HDPVR was pretty much the only capture 'card' |
| [18:02:04] | kormoc: | all the video seek info is byte specific and written after the full encode sadly |
| [18:02:21] | iamlindoro_: | Sounds like he actually wants a digital tuner but is mistakenly calling it an HD capture card |
| [18:02:22] | kormoc: | I've attempted to chain together a pile of 30 second streams and that didn't work so well |
| [18:02:35] | SpaceBass: | iamlindoro_, you are correct |
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| [18:02:43] | SpaceBass: | tuner card – sorry |
| [18:02:47] | iamlindoro_: | Hauppauge HVR-1250 or a pinnacle 800i |
| [18:02:54] | iamlindoro_: | both cheap, both easy, both good |
| [18:02:59] | SpaceBass: | thanks! |
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| [18:03:04] | iamlindoro_: | np |
| [18:03:07] | clever: | kormoc: what about those patches Captain_Murd0ch was working on to let mythbackend store multiple versions of a file at once? |
| [18:03:25] | clever: | kormoc: so you could store a flash and 264 version on the backend and stream either one |
| [18:03:26] | gbee: | SpaceBass: assume you mean in the US too? |
| [18:03:29] | SpaceBass: | oh wow, glad I asked the HVR-1250 is much cheaper than the PCHDTV |
| [18:03:37] | SpaceBass: | gbee, yes, ATSC ...sorry should have said that |
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| [18:06:22] | gbee: | and there we go, couple of hours in the xbmc IRC channel and the subject of supporting (more) common bittorrent filenames comes up :) |
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| [18:06:50] | SpaceBass: | gbee, surprised at all? |
| [18:06:59] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: Watch out, they'll bring in a half dozen guys to tear down the drapes because you were mean to them |
| [18:07:37] | iamlindoro_: | Soon we'll be paying "protection" the them and slowly converting their python to real code so that "nobody gets hurt" |
| [18:07:49] | SpaceBass: | lol |
| [18:07:52] | iamlindoro_: | s/the them/to them/ |
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| [18:08:26] | SpaceBass: | can't we all just get along? |
| [18:08:28] | ** iamlindoro_ kicks ffmpeg.org ** | |
| [18:08:32] | SpaceBass: | theres room for both |
| [18:08:34] | iamlindoro_: | Work! |
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| [18:08:55] | iamlindoro_: | SpaceBass: Of course there is-- but *we* didn't storm their channel full of piss and vinegar about how people had been saying nasty things about us |
| [18:09:20] | SpaceBass: | guess I missed that back story :D |
| [18:09:26] | iamlindoro_: | so I plan on getting a lot of comedy mileage out of that one |
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| [18:11:30] | SpaceBass: | I'm a happy user of both... |
| [18:11:54] | iamlindoro_: | for the umpteenth time today, we don't *care* what anyone uses |
| [18:12:16] | iamlindoro_: | But this is the myth channel so people who want to chat about not-myth can take it to #not-myth |
| [18:12:18] | SpaceBass: | ok... |
| [18:16:11] | JonXP: | SpaceBass: Thanks for your help. They don't make the MythTV support obvious in XBMC, but it does indeed work |
| [18:17:16] | SpaceBass: | great! |
| [18:18:59] | motd2k: | oh the drama. the calamity... |
| [18:19:29] | meshe: | drama on the interwebs? on irc? wha? never! |
| [18:21:08] | iamlindoro_: | motd2k: If you can't stand being teased about it, you probably shouldn't have done it-- expect it to continue |
| [18:21:46] | iamlindoro_: | but then, apparently you couldn't handle anyone in a channel not your own saying mean things about your project, so the hyper-sensitivity shouldn't be surprising |
| [18:22:00] | ** motd2k plays his violin ** | |
| [18:22:38] | iamlindoro_: | exactly my thoughts about the whiny bitching from last night |
| [18:22:52] | iamlindoro_: | "Mommy, someone said something mean about my softwarrrrrrrrrrrre!" |
| [18:23:19] | ** iamlindoro_ whimpers incoherently ** | |
| [18:23:29] | ** dustybin hides behind the sofa ** | |
| [18:24:12] | gbee: | SpaceBass: we fairly regularly tell people to use XBMC since more suitable for their purposes (not going to get into what those purposes are ..) |
| [18:24:13] | iamlindoro_: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect |
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| [18:26:09] | SpaceBass: | gbee, gotcha |
| [18:26:40] | SpaceBass: | personally speaking, the combo of the two works very well for us... myth on the backend and xmbc (fork) on the front... having been loving myth ever since we went that direction |
| [18:26:50] | gbee: | longer term though I'm not too sure what future XBMC has, unless they want to persue mythtv into the PVR field, but that's their problem and not ours |
| [18:27:44] | SpaceBass: | gbee, can you elaborate a bit? not challenging that, genuinely curious |
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| [18:30:47] | gbee: | well the way I understand it, two things set them apart from mythtv – prettier UI and better handling of video content (metadata/fanart) |
| [18:32:13] | gbee: | mythtv is getting both those things for the next release (and much more), so what else makes XBMC a better choice? |
| [18:32:42] | sphery: | built in support for parsing information from certain video filenames? |
| [18:33:06] | iamlindoro_: | I.can.has.[l0l].MOVIE.NAME.avi.x264.DTS.ps3.torrent? |
| [18:33:21] | sphery: | right-o |
| [18:33:49] | gbee: | simplified summary of the differences I'll admit, but mythtv always was going to get those things, they've been on the roadmap forever, but I don't believe XBMC ever intends to replicate MythTV's core features |
| [18:34:37] | SpaceBass: | gbee, in that light, if mythfront end 'caught up' to behave more like the XBMC variants, that very well may do them in |
| [18:34:42] | motd2k: | i dont think PVR is particularly important these days, but the work at the moment seems to be on support tvheadend (which admittadly ive not used) |
| [18:35:19] | SpaceBass: | I think people want a box that will recognize, acquire/record and stream anything you throw at it |
| [18:35:34] | SpaceBass: | and they want it to be free or very close to it (content at least) |
| [18:35:47] | SpaceBass: | if I had to sum it up from the 10,000 foot persepctive |
| [18:35:49] | kormoc: | So they want boxee? |
| [18:36:10] | SpaceBass: | well... boxee is just an xbmc fork that does some of those things, but has no PVR features |
| [18:36:41] | kormoc: | the idea being if they have tv already, pvr is important, if they don't, wouldn't boxee's content be important? |
| [18:37:03] | motd2k: | boxee's content? |
| [18:37:06] | motd2k: | do you mean hulu? |
| [18:37:11] | SpaceBass: | not any more :D |
| [18:37:31] | kormoc: | well, their collection of content, yes |
| [18:37:48] | SpaceBass: | I've been a serious boxee user for over 6 months and besides a different "skin" Im not convinced that it is any different than the rest of XBMC, but it does get the spotlight a lot |
| [18:37:56] | motd2k: | yea, i think streaming/vod will increasingly be more impotant to users tahn simply timeshifting |
| [18:38:10] | motd2k: | eww.. that was a nasty typo! |
| [18:38:13] | gbee: | MythTV 0.22 will have the same Hulu support that Boxee does now – i.e. an embedded webbrowser |
| [18:38:36] | SpaceBass: | users seem to want it all, want it free and want it unencumbered – and they want all that on a range of experences from mobile to 42" 1080p |
| [18:38:40] | SpaceBass: | or maybe thats what I want :D |
| [18:38:43] | kormoc: | the point being, if you can get XvMC or XvMC + deals with streaming shows, why go vanilla? |
| [18:39:05] | sphery: | before streaming will replace my MythTV box, I would need a /much/ faster high-speed 'net connection that would give similar-quality video to what I get from OTA HDTV. |
| [18:39:12] | gbee: | motd2k: Satellite/Cable/IPTV/OTA is where most people get their (legal) content for a media centre, that's not going to change anytime soon – Hulu etc aren't real solutions, they offer lower quality material than even the crappy bitrate SD Channels |
| [18:39:31] | sphery: | exactly |
| [18:39:36] | kormoc: | hulu actually does have 720p now |
| [18:39:36] | motd2k: | gbee, the 720p content is prety stunning |
| [18:40:06] | sphery: | probably like *cough*Comcast*cough* HDTV... |
| [18:40:10] | gbee: | err, yeah, alongside broadcast 21Mbit 1080i AVC? |
| [18:40:11] | kormoc: | 720p h264 2.5 mbps |
| [18:40:25] | kormoc: | well, it's more the point that they're working at it |
| [18:40:35] | SpaceBass: | thats the interesting part... people buy HD TVs and download 128k music files.. or rip DVDs to watch on an iPod ... not so sure people care as much about quality as they do content |
| [18:40:59] | iamlindoro_: | And the *only* legit way to get that content is with a browser |
| [18:41:06] | iamlindoro_: | some projects care about ToS... |
| [18:41:08] | iamlindoro_: | and some.. |
| [18:41:09] | iamlindoro_: | not so much |
| [18:41:18] | SpaceBass: | and users, not at all |
| [18:41:22] | sphery: | gbee: exactly... See how stunning it is: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1008271 |
| [18:41:24] | kormoc: | erm |
| [18:41:27] | kormoc: | some users do |
| [18:41:28] | iamlindoro_: | some users care quite a bit |
| [18:41:31] | iamlindoro_: | I care |
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| [18:42:13] | SpaceBass: | ok... some users, not at all |
| [18:42:14] | motd2k: | fortunately, iamlindoro_, i care neither for your views nor your insight |
| [18:42:57] | iamlindoro_: | motd2k: Well luckily for me *I* am the regular in this channel and contributor to this project, and *you* are the guy making my point for me |
| [18:44:37] | motd2k: | gbee: are you trying to tell me that FTA sat/cable/whatever is where people get most of their legit content? |
| [18:44:46] | SpaceBass: | just not sure why whenever XBMC and its family are mentioned in the same breath as Myth it turns into a question of piracy / viloating TOS |
| [18:45:33] | Dibblah: | Why on earth is this silly channel invasion still going on? |
| [18:45:36] | iamlindoro_: | SpaceBass: Because there are core differences in the project philosophies-- XBMC (with NO extra plugins) includes sripts and functionality to scrape content and violate Terms of Service-- Myth goes *out of its way* to avoid this |
| [18:45:48] | iamlindoro_: | Those are fundamental differences in philosophy |
| [18:46:31] | iamlindoro_: | And for what I hope is the last tiem, nobody CARES what app anyone uses, but we do *myth* here |
| [18:46:40] | motd2k: | i'll leave you to it, guess you guys have work to do, if you ever want a civil debate though, head over |
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| [18:47:10] | Dibblah: | I care. More users == more potential devs == less fscking tickets. |
| [18:47:22] | iamlindoro_: | heh |
| [18:47:23] | Dibblah: | Of course, all of those are theoretical benefits. |
| [18:47:32] | iamlindoro_: | of less users == less tickets :) |
| [18:47:35] | iamlindoro_: | er or |
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| [18:48:01] | Dibblah: | You were waiting until he left, weren't you? |
| [18:49:34] | SpaceBass: | on that note, I'll keep my part of the conversation to myth only |
| [18:49:47] | justinh: | Dibblah: me? |
| [18:49:58] | Dibblah: | Heh. |
| [18:50:06] | SpaceBass: | wasn't trying to argue, debate or persuade anyone- just chatting about something that is an interest and presumed the topic at large was of interest to the entire group |
| [18:50:08] | justinh: | nah, just looked in the log. you meant the 'dev' from XBMC |
| [18:50:57] | justinh: | but no I wasn't waiting for anyone to leave, just fancied dropping in for a bit. Having seen the log now I doubt I'll hang around if it's gonna centre arount that debate |
| [18:51:39] | Dibblah: | He's gone now. |
| [18:51:44] | iamlindoro_: | I'd be very thankful if we moved on |
| [18:52:28] | iamlindoro_: | Went *nine days* without a mention of that software until the umbrage brigade tromped in, let's see if we can beat that |
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| [18:53:21] | justinh: | well, if anybody has a beef with me personally like he implied earlier I'd rather they bring it up in private. |
| [18:53:56] | laga: | why? |
| [18:53:58] | laga: | !trout justinh |
| [18:53:58] | ** MythLogBot slaps justinh with a trout on behalf of laga... ** | |
| [18:54:30] | justinh: | laga: so as to prevent clogging the channel with needless guff, that's why |
| [18:54:45] | laga: | i was just kidding |
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| [18:55:39] | iamlindoro_: | I like cheese |
| [18:55:52] | justinh: | I still want a pony |
| [18:56:16] | SpaceBass: | who doesnt? |
| [18:58:04] | justinh: | hrm. seems I've totally lost track of the last diff I did. found a pastebin from september last year when I tried to autospace buttons though |
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| [18:58:58] | iamlindoro_: | I need to re-organize the default edit metadata screen, there's just way too much *stuff* in there anymore |
| [18:59:28] | iamlindoro_: | especially with three more things in a patch from me :) |
| [18:59:45] | justinh: | gbee: don't spose you have a copy of my hack diff do you? anykey wants to have another bash at it |
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| [19:00:55] | jams: | gbee- opera -lirchelp |
| [19:01:06] | JEDIDIAH__: | After 10 years of using PVRs, the whole Hulu thing just doesn't excite... commercials again. |
| [19:01:24] | sphery: | Opera supports browsing with lirc? (And firefox doesn't?) |
| [19:01:42] | sphery: | JEDIDIAH__: and worst than commercials, low quality video/audio, again. |
| [19:02:29] | JEDIDIAH__: | commercials are worse than quality loss due to compression. |
| [19:02:33] | justinh: | JEDIDIAH__: IMHO the only people excited about Hulu et al are people looking to get stuff for nothing |
| [19:02:39] | jams: | sphery- i don't know about firefox, have not heard that it does so I assume it doesn't. |
| [19:02:59] | JEDIDIAH__: | People have generally been watching TV for free since it was invented, so that's no real change. |
| [19:03:11] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: That pretty much summarizes the folks using the apps with built in Hulu |
| [19:03:12] | sphery: | Yeah, pretty sure it doesn't. I'm really surprised that Opera does, though. |
| [19:03:44] | sphery: | JEDIDIAH__: watching a limited subset of TV for free... The TV that most viewers actually watch is for-pay TV on cable/satellite. |
| [19:03:48] | justinh: | well, fwiw I'd rather have ads in shows than channels with logos & other screen junk burned into them. ads can be skipped |
| [19:03:50] | sphery: | Or, now, on Hulu. |
| [19:03:52] | jams: | it's fairly recent, noticed it in 9.63 |
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| [19:04:25] | JEDIDIAH__: | I wouldn't necessarily assume that sp. |
| [19:04:34] | sphery: | jams: That's cool... If FF3.1 doesn't make huge strides (back to where FF2 was), I may have to try it. |
| [19:04:47] | JEDIDIAH__: | There's certainly plenty to record from OTA that might be on Hulu. |
| [19:04:52] | jams: | sphery http://pastebin.com/m69436614 |
| [19:05:02] | JEDIDIAH__: | I get better navigation features from my OTA recordings too. |
| [19:05:27] | jams: | note i have not actually used it yet, but the help screen is there. |
| [19:05:30] | JEDIDIAH__: | Then there's the strange animal which is broadcast channels from other markets that you have to pay to get. |
| [19:05:36] | justinh: | seems some of us grumpy old 1.0-ers aren't alone then :P |
| [19:05:44] | JEDIDIAH__: | WGN and TBS should be on freesat (or somesuch) |
| [19:06:32] | gbee: | justinh: no, sorry, I never made a copy of the one you uploaded, only looked at it through the browser |
| [19:06:57] | sphery: | JEDIDIAH__: Oh... I thought you meant local broadcast channels you pay to get (affiliates of the major networks)... FCC prohibits your getting those from other markets. After all, competition is so anti-capitalist. |
| [19:07:17] | sphery: | But WGN and TBS are now independents, specifically so they can sell themselves on cable/satellite |
| [19:07:27] | justinh: | gbee: no probs. It's still quite fresh in my mind so could prolly cobble it back up if push came to shove, anykey_ |
| [19:07:45] | JEDIDIAH__: | TBS was always independent. I don't recall WGN ever being otherwise. |
| [19:08:33] | sphery: | WGN used to be CBS |
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| [19:09:13] | ** gbee reads back and wonders just how anyone can question that Sat/Cable/OTA are where most people in the world get their TV shows from ** | |
| [19:09:34] | justinh: | depends who you mean by 'most' people I guess |
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| [19:10:07] | gbee: | I mean sure, if you're entire social circle is geeks between the ages of 13 and 24, I can see why you might think that everyone watches at least some TV online |
| [19:10:15] | justinh: | i.e. $mediaplayer users, or just people in general |
| [19:10:48] | justinh: | at least half the people I know get their TV from illegal sources |
| [19:10:59] | gbee: | but as a percentage of the total world population, or even the population of the US, it's probably less than 1% |
| [19:11:01] | justinh: | but then, at least half the people I know are geeks |
| [19:11:57] | sphery: | JEDIDIAH__: I guess it wasn't so much the "going idependent" to become a cable station... They had to set up a completely separate feed (so now there's WGN-TV (local OTA) and WGN America (cable)). WGN-TV is now a CW stations. |
| [19:12:46] | gbee: | sphery: as far as those screenshots go, even the Fios ones aren't anything to get excited about |
| [19:12:56] | justinh: | I've been dying for on-demand to come of age for years & years. having a PVR pretty much means I've got that now :) |
| [19:13:00] | JEDIDIAH__: | Ok, so that's what that bit is about. I was curious. I've been watching WGN off and on since the 70s |
| [19:13:16] | gbee: | but I'll grant that they are a marked improvement over the comcast stuff |
| [19:13:43] | sphery: | gbee: that's true... I'd love to do a comparison of several sat/cable/fibre videos with OTA (from various markets). |
| [19:13:54] | JEDIDIAH__: | The problem with "on-demand" is you have to know what you want. A fat PVR with really vague recording rules allows you to grab stuff that you wouldn't have thought to watch otherwise. |
| [19:14:24] | JEDIDIAH__: | don't get me started on my "how HD is just to make up for unecessarily crappy SD cable" rant... |
| [19:14:33] | gbee: | justinh: exactly – that's what MythTV gives me, ondemand ... think some peoples understanding of timeshifting is watching something one hour later |
| [19:14:37] | sphery: | Should get a bunch of Myth users to contribute (at least for the OTA/cable-where-firewire-works comparisons)... :) |
| [19:15:03] | justinh: | I'd use category based recording rules if categories made any flippin sense here |
| [19:15:06] | JEDIDIAH__: | Time shifting is watching something after you come back from a 2 week vacation or pre-release deathmarch. |
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| [19:15:37] | gbee: | I watch entire series months after intial broadcast, in fact I'm watching a series for the first time that I recorded two years ago |
| [19:16:04] | sphery: | gbee: that's the only way to do it... Otherwise, you get invested in a show only to have Fox cancel it after 9 episodes (that they aired out of order). |
| [19:16:14] | justinh: | heh. keep reminding me I still have 1.5 series of Spooks & some US thing from 3 years ago to watch |
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| [19:16:34] | justinh: | and Planet Earth, come to think about it |
| [19:16:56] | gbee: | sphery: might help to know that it was cancelled before I start watching, but I'd probably still watch |
| [19:16:58] | justinh: | Yellowstone will be another great unwatched |
| [19:17:08] | sphery: | and now you reminded me of my 1970's (US NTSC) Planet Earth that makes me long for the recent BBC Planet Earth... |
| [19:17:52] | gbee: | heh, found the HD showing of Yellowstone on Wednesday, so looking forward to that – probably won't watch it immediately though |
| [19:18:06] | sphery: | Since I started having Myth record every new series that comes on, I've only watched 1 series that had been was cancelled the first season. |
| [19:18:16] | sphery: | It was a /very/ difficult decision to make, too. |
| [19:18:29] | justinh: | not even sure the 'new' thing works with our grabber |
| [19:18:48] | justinh: | does that work from a show just not being listed as a rerun? |
| [19:18:56] | gbee: | sphery: so you didn't watch anything last year then? |
| [19:19:07] | sphery: | heh |
| [19:19:35] | sphery: | watched the shows that were continuing from the previous year... (Watched many of them decline in quality, though...) |
| [19:21:26] | justinh: | grrr. damn diskless frontend. sometimes the NIC just doesn't wake up at powerup |
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| [19:22:00] | wagnerrp: | justinh: powerup from standby? |
| [19:22:45] | wagnerrp: | ive never had a card offline from boot on any of mine |
| [19:22:54] | sphery: | justinh: I had a system that did that when I installed >2 pcHDTV HD-3000's and another that did it when a PSU started to fail. I think both were power issues. |
| [19:23:33] | sphery: | (in my cases, though, it was from a cold boot) |
| [19:23:37] | mchou: | wagnerrp: that's cause you need to enable wol via ethtool |
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| [19:24:41] | wagnerrp: | mchou: i assume hes saying the machine booted up, and the ethernet card was not online, preventing it from booting over the network |
| [19:24:48] | wagnerrp: | which has absolutely nothing to do with WOL |
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| [19:32:10] | justinh: | wagnerrp: powerup from standby |
| [19:32:20] | justinh: | happens one in ten times or so |
| [19:33:06] | justinh: | the old board did that too. wonder if it _is_ PSU related or just down to crappy LAN chipsets |
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| [19:39:52] | sphery: | from standby could even be NIC drivers... |
| [19:40:23] | justinh: | yeah that was the problem on the epia board |
| [19:40:29] | justinh: | oopsy in shutdown |
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| [19:44:20] | iamlindoro_: | Anduin: Amenable to a tmdb.pl patch to change the -B argument to -F (fanart) so that -B is reserved for banners (as used in the tvdb script in trac)? |
| [19:44:33] | iamlindoro_: | it's purely cosmetic but just makes it more sane |
| [19:45:01] | justinh: | sheesh. plenty of sky2 shutdown oops fixes gone into various kernels |
| [19:45:28] | j-rod: | sky2 ftl |
| [19:45:40] | j-rod: | r8169 as well |
| [19:45:47] | Anduin: | iamlindoro_: yup |
| [19:46:00] | j-rod: | 'course even e1000 was an adventure a few months ago... |
| [19:46:07] | justinh: | heh. if I knew how sucky it was I'd never have bought this board |
| [19:46:23] | justinh: | it's only a minor annoyance though |
| [19:47:06] | Anduin: | iamlindoro_: No ticket needed, I'll just do it |
| [19:47:22] | iamlindoro_: | Anduin: okay, halfway through a patch if you prefer just to apply |
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| [19:48:58] | dserban: | I'm running debian, still stuck at .20 due to custom configurations. Is there a distro that would handle graceful upgrades to my lirc/imon/db/emulator etc... settings? |
| [19:49:04] | Anduin: | iamlindoro_: only the three changes? |
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| [19:49:21] | iamlindoro_: | Anduin: globalsettings, videodlg, and tmdb.pl |
| [19:49:30] | iamlindoro_: | (TTBOMK) |
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| [19:50:49] | Anduin: | hmm, can you live with it until I just change the way the grabbers are all called? |
| [19:51:40] | iamlindoro_: | oh, yeah, of course |
| [19:51:45] | iamlindoro_: | Wasn't even thinking about that |
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| [19:52:05] | Anduin: | Yeah all the -MPDB options are going to be gone in the next few months |
| [19:52:40] | iamlindoro_: | Yeah, just sat down to start looking at the tvdb script to see what if anything needed adapting for subtitle/season/episode fields but totally flaked that that's all gonna be gone anyway |
| [19:52:47] | justinh: | dserban: upgrading mythtv on its own is no problem. back up the database beforehand & all should be well. myth should never lose settings on an upgrade of only mythtv stuff. no real point updating distros usually |
| [19:53:32] | justinh: | but no, no distro is ever guaranteed to work after upgrades |
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| [19:53:48] | justinh: | cheeky config file changes, driver snafus... YMMV |
| [19:54:04] | justinh: | which is why smart people never upgrade just for the sake of upgrading ;) |
| [19:54:51] | ** meshe has lost many hours after doing a dist-upgrade on her myth box ** | |
| [19:55:13] | meshe: | back up xorg.conf |
| [19:55:14] | wagnerrp: | http://xkcd.com/349/ |
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| [19:56:50] | justinh: | back up all your config files |
| [19:57:00] | kormoc: | snapshot all your config files :) |
| [19:57:26] | wagnerrp: | what good is a snapshot if youre whiping your file system? |
| [19:57:31] | justinh: | and pray the new versions don't use a different syntax. I'm yelling at you, gentoo |
| [19:59:15] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, you snapshot to another box! |
| [19:59:15] | kormoc: | You snapshot to another box! |
| [19:59:22] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [19:59:32] | wagnerrp: | had to get that in there twice? |
| [19:59:36] | justinh: | or snapshot to a USB stick |
| [19:59:49] | iamlindoro_: | I snapshot to another box once, my girlfriend was pissed |
| [19:59:51] | justinh: | or a pastebin.. or.. anywhere you want |
| [19:59:54] | kormoc: | I don't know how it happened |
| [20:00:03] | kormoc: | I love putting /etc/shadow in public pastebins |
| [20:00:27] | iamlindoro_: | I put my shadow in a public pastebin once, my girlfriend was pissed |
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| [20:00:47] | wagnerrp: | that one doesnt even make sense |
| [20:00:56] | kormoc: | that's the point I believe |
| [20:00:58] | iamlindoro_: | It does to me |
| [20:01:24] | kormoc: | ooh, iamlindoro was just operating in super intelligent mode again... |
| [20:01:30] | justinh: | oh GOD. Can I set Comic Relief to be recorded tomorrow? WHY?! WHY?! |
| [20:01:37] | iamlindoro_: | kormoc: first time for everything |
| [20:01:58] | iamlindoro_: | double entendre mode, maybe |
| [20:02:03] | justinh: | think myth will have to suffer a couple of minus WAF points. Oh. The recording failed. Ooops :D |
| [20:02:24] | justinh: | it's bad enough we're gonna have Horne & Corden stacking up |
| [20:03:42] | kormoc: | or rather have it record and then expire right away cause of all the 'Horne & Corden' |
| [20:03:53] | kormoc: | so myth doesn't get blamed, another hated show does |
| [20:05:50] | iamlindoro_: | RDV_Linux: A quick note on your tvdb script (although this likely only matters until the commands all change)... everything after -M needs to take the series # as an argument |
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| [20:06:50] | iamlindoro_: | ie ./tvdb.pl -M "Battlestar Galactica" returns "73545:Battlestar Galactica (2003)".... so to work with current trunk it would need to take ./tvdb -F 73545 |
| [20:07:08] | iamlindoro_: | Which only makes sense, given -M can return multiple results |
| [20:07:37] | iamlindoro_: | but otherwise, it seems to work quite well |
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| [20:15:08] | mkrufky: | j-rod: ping? |
| [20:15:27] | j-rod: | mkrufky: hey, 'sup |
| [20:15:31] | mkrufky: | j-rod: im looking at my stable queue ... |
| [20:15:42] | mkrufky: | did anything happen with that 23885_video_open patch? |
| [20:15:53] | j-rod: | never heard a peep from anyone about it |
| [20:16:02] | mkrufky: | :-/ |
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| [20:16:14] | j-rod: | been carrying it in Fedora tho |
| [20:16:27] | mkrufky: | i have email from you to lkml cc me, looks like you forgot to cc stable@kernel.org |
| [20:16:39] | j-rod: | did I? hell. |
| [20:16:47] | mkrufky: | yeah ... its always a technicality |
| [20:16:48] | mkrufky: | lol |
| [20:16:48] | j-rod: | that might explain it |
| [20:16:51] | mkrufky: | yes |
| [20:16:54] | mkrufky: | u wanna re-send it? |
| [20:17:00] | j-rod: | sure, one sec... |
| [20:17:03] | mkrufky: | k |
| [20:17:46] | mkrufky: | if you want, j-rod, you can change that "reviewed-by" to a "signed-off-by" .... that might help the stable guys to pick it up |
| [20:17:56] | mkrufky: | er, i mean for my name |
| [20:18:40] | j-rod: | mkrufky: what was the date on that? |
| [20:18:49] | mkrufky: | Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 6:00 PM |
| [20:18:57] | mkrufky: | [stable] [PATCH] 2.6.27.y: fix NULL ptr deref in cx23885 video_open |
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| [20:19:42] | j-rod: | suck. its not in my sent folder on the imap server... must have been stashed in the local sent folder on my box at home. ugh. |
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| [20:19:52] | j-rod: | I'll resend it a bit later tonight |
| [20:20:13] | j-rod: | mkrufky: unless you want to just forward it along to stable@ w/your SOB added? |
| [20:21:13] | mkrufky: | j-rod: maybe better for you to resend, since you sent it in the first place? im not sure if it matters |
| [20:21:23] | mkrufky: | j-rod: but, i can fwd this back to you now if it helps |
| [20:21:28] | j-rod: | yeah, I dunno either |
| [20:21:44] | j-rod: | sure, give that a whirl |
| [20:21:55] | mkrufky: | hmm, instead, this is what i will do: |
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| [20:22:06] | mkrufky: | i'll reply-to-all, add my s-o-b, and add cc to stable |
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| [20:22:41] | j-rod: | cool, worksforme |
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| [20:22:50] | mkrufky: | grr, i'll just have to fwd it to stable, since it will need the original patch in the email |
| [20:24:42] | mkrufky: | sent |
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| [20:26:26] | trumee: | guys, i am trying to use this http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Automatic_Parental . . . ure_request# |
| [20:26:27] | iamlindoro_: | "Patch backporting 17826, 18854, 19242 to 0.23-fixes fixing #1088" |
| [20:26:33] | iamlindoro_: | Neat, .23-fixes! |
| [20:26:36] | trumee: | Parental controls |
| [20:26:42] | iamlindoro_: | I wish I was using that stable version... |
| [20:26:44] | j-rod: | the fyooooture! |
| [20:27:05] | trumee: | i imported the sql table from http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Feature_Wishlist_( . . . level_script |
| [20:27:15] | iamlindoro_: | trumee: I dunno what that page/hack is, but myth already has a feature to do automatic parental settings |
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| [20:27:37] | iamlindoro_: | I know, it was the first thing I ever wrote for myth :) |
| [20:27:52] | trumee: | iamlindoro_, how can i do that? i want all the files in a given folder to have parenatl level of 2 |
| [20:28:21] | iamlindoro_: | If you want to do it location based, then yeah, you'll need to hack something together |
| [20:28:27] | iamlindoro_: | or even better, write a patch for it |
| [20:28:33] | trumee: | ok, back to the hack then |
| [20:28:46] | iamlindoro_: | the auto-set in Myth currently does so by ratings string |
| [20:29:19] | trumee: | i tried to run the sql at the bottom of the page "Adjust all existing video entries" http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Automatic_Parental . . . ture_request |
| [20:29:45] | trumee: | but all i got was Query OK, 0 rows affected, 1 warning (0.01 sec) Rows matched: 0 Changed: 0 Warnings: 0 |
| [20:30:30] | trumee: | i dont understand why there were no matches. and what does the warning mean |
| [20:31:01] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: that reminds me of another directory metadata thing, parental level |
| [20:31:10] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: yeah, good call |
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| [20:31:42] | cptblood: | where do i create the user for the mythtv db? |
| [20:32:08] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: I was thinking about grabber/type and not sure if Anduin has this in mind (chime in?) but it would be neat to have a feature *exactly* like file types where instead of extension you set type, and set grabbers by type, then you set the type on a dir preference |
| [20:32:14] | gbee: | the theory being that all new additions to a folder inherit parental level, player etc from their parent folder unless explicitly overridden |
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| [20:33:00] | iamlindoro_: | ie the default "types" would be TV and movies, with their default grabbers... but you could add an "adult" type with an adult grabber and set that type on your porno dir preference |
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| [20:33:11] | iamlindoro_: | Sorry for that example, was just the most obvious one I could think of |
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| [20:33:29] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: that's what I was thinking – the feature, not the example ;) |
| [20:33:39] | gbee: | I'd have gone with music videos :p |
| [20:33:46] | iamlindoro_: | i mean... yeah, that. ;) |
| [20:34:06] | gbee: | but this is all just talk unless someone takes the time to write the patch :/ |
| [20:34:11] | trumee: | ok, it looks like the hack doesnt work atleast for me. How can i change the parental level using an sql? I want the parental level to change to 2 if the directory name contains TV |
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| [20:34:14] | gbee: | and I don't have the time unfortunately |
| [20:34:50] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: Well sounds like between yfayka's dif metadata work (assuming it gets done) and Anduin's grabber rewrite, it may well get most of the way there |
| [20:34:58] | iamlindoro_: | er s/dif/dir/ |
| [20:35:22] | cptblood: | where do i create the user for the mythtv db? |
| [20:36:32] | trumee: | is parental level the same as childid in videometadata? |
| [20:36:49] | gbee: | no |
| [20:37:17] | iamlindoro_: | trumee: update videometadata set showlevel = "#" where filename like "/path/to/%"; |
| [20:37:26] | iamlindoro_: | I do NOT recommend that unless you know which things you need to change |
| [20:37:36] | iamlindoro_: | and which to leave |
| [20:37:49] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: with due respect to yfayka and all new contributors, I don't take anything for granted, when I see the patch then I'll relax |
| [20:37:59] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: understandable |
| [20:38:04] | Anduin: | iamlindoro_: dir settings would be nice but only if I only need to review the change, the grabber used for a particular item will be remembered in the new model (or rather a UID for that "type" of information) |
| [20:39:04] | Anduin: | mostly so people can change art at this point |
| [20:39:23] | trumee: | iamlindoro_, i get this ERROR 1172 (42000): Result consisted of more than one row |
| [20:39:48] | iamlindoro_: | trumee: If you can't get it from the above then I don't feel comfortable helping you hack on your DB |
| [20:39:54] | trumee: | iamlindoro_, the command i used was update videometadata set showlevel = "2" where filename like "/mnt/stuff/TV/%"; |
| [20:40:10] | iamlindoro_: | and that's not out of rudeness, but out of an abundance of caution |
| [20:40:24] | sphery: | cptblood: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2 |
| [20:40:29] | RDV_Linux: | lamindora: I noted the issues when the ttvdb script when used with Mythvideo to fetch episode meta data. I already (but have not released) a version that accepts SID numbers. I am currently revamping and killing bugs I found with it in my own day to day usage. I expect to issue a new release by the weekend. It is improved with additional features. |
| [20:40:30] | trumee: | iamlindoro_, only some of the database entries were changed |
| [20:40:37] | sphery: | cptblood: though most distros do that for you, so if you're using packages... |
| [20:40:50] | iamlindoro_: | RDV_Linux: cool, look forward to playing with it |
| [20:41:35] | RDV_Linux: | Do you know who is designing the new grabber interface? I have found that TV series bring multiple levels of complexity that are not present with movies. |
| [20:42:08] | iamlindoro_: | RDV_Linux: Anduin is, but I know that the script options are going to need to be more or less scrapped and given a new interface |
| [20:42:26] | iamlindoro_: | RDV_Linux: Still, if the script is a working starting point, that will likely make it *much* easier for him |
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| [20:44:39] | RDV_Linux: | There is still a bug I found with tvdb_api's caching caused when thetvdb.com is overloaded and fails on it's own SQl calls, I was hoping that it would be fixed before my next release. I am working with the author of tvdb_api for a solution. |
| [20:44:43] | cptblood: | mysql -u root mythconverg |
| [20:44:43] | cptblood: | ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) |
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| [20:45:14] | iamlindoro_: | RDV_Linux: They seem fairly receptive to helping/help, but their site gets demolished on the weekends |
| [20:45:26] | meshe: | cptblood: it looks like your mysql server isn't running or your /etc/my.cnf file is incorrect |
| [20:45:33] | iamlindoro_: | RDV_Linux: Hope they find a sustainable way of keeping the site running |
| [20:46:56] | cptblood: | k, how can i start it? |
| [20:47:13] | meshe: | what distro are you running? |
| [20:47:18] | cptblood: | ubuntui |
| [20:47:21] | cptblood: | -i |
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| [20:47:29] | meshe: | sudo /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| [20:47:54] | RDV_Linux: | I have the option to turn off caching which is in general only useful for mass access of the same series. At least for my testing caching is important. |
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| [20:48:03] | cptblood: | is there a default user to login with? |
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| [20:50:51] | meshe: | usually just root: mysql -u root |
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| [20:51:46] | RDV_Linux: | iamlindoro: When I want to commit the next release of ttvdb script do I use them same ticket as the original submission? I noticed that the script is now distributed in trunk. I am not familiar with the proper process. |
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| [20:52:20] | iamlindoro_: | RDV_Linux: Erm, it is? If it is I missed that commit-- but anyway, yes, you attach it to the existing ticket |
| [20:52:57] | iamlindoro_: | RDV_Linux: If it were committed it would be here: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . ideo/scripts |
| [20:53:45] | RDV_Linux: | Now you make me think maybe I distrubuted it to my own copy of trunk and got fooled. opps. |
| [20:53:47] | blackest_knight: | anyone know anything about usb ports under linux i've got a 5 port card but only one shows as usb2 |
| [20:54:02] | Dagmar: | That's got nothing to do with Linux |
| [20:54:16] | Dagmar: | If you bought a card that has one 2.0 port and four 1.1 ports it's all you |
| [20:54:29] | RDV_Linux: | s/opps/oops/ |
| [20:54:44] | blackest_knight: | i was given a card and it seems to be that way |
| [20:55:11] | blackest_knight: | i just wondered if lsusb would list it as 1.1 if say just a mouse was plugged into it |
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| [20:55:41] | Dagmar: | You need to read up more about how USB works. |
| [20:55:46] | iamlindoro_: | RDV_Linux: You'll know when it gets committed because your ticket will be referenced and you'll get e-mail.. I wouldn't expect to see it committed until after the grabber rewrite though |
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| [20:56:54] | iamlindoro_: | RDV_Linux: For what it's worth I'm working on associated functionality to go along with the grabber, starting with Season, Episode, and subtitle fields in MythVideo |
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| [20:57:18] | blackest_knight: | well this mboard is a bit crap in places pci1 only works if i disable onboard usb in bios however the only ports i can find onboard are all 1.1 so disabling them and replacing them with a card with 1 usb2 port seems a fairly good idea |
| [20:57:38] | iamlindoro_: | RDV_Linux: see http://www.fecitfacta.com/01x01-support.ogg |
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| [21:10:40] | trumee: | iamlindoro_, i am still struggling with mysql :( |
| [21:11:19] | trumee: | iamlindoro_, i guess the insert command requires only one match, whereas our result set has many entries |
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| [21:12:47] | trumee: | iamlindoro_, i guess as a last resort, i can do the modification in a csv file and import it into the table using phpmyadmin |
| [21:12:48] | iamlindoro_: | trumee: Honestly, I just don't feel comfortable helping you hack directly on your database, and that's not out of meanness. Since the person who wrote that wiki page thought it was appropriate to put it up publicly, I suggest getting in touch with him (post on his talk page) |
| [21:13:11] | iamlindoro_: | But personally I feel it's *never* appropriate for the average user to be directly modifying the DB |
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| [21:18:31] | RDV_Linux: | iamlindoro: I have been watching your recent efforts with the season and episode number patch. If there is anything ttvdb wise or python script wise I can do to help just ask, I am currently documenting a script I just finished for the author of tvdb_api that downloads graphics and episode meta data. |
| [21:19:16] | RDV_Linux: | Iit has enough options that I think of it as a swiss army knife for thetvdb.com. |
| [21:19:48] | RDV_Linux: | s/lit/It |
| [21:19:59] | iamlindoro_: | RDV_Linux: Thanks, I'll let you know... I will be updating that patch today to parse episode and season from grabbers, which you already have exposed-- when/if it gets committed I will just want to get title and subtitle broken out in the script (Title = showname, subtitle = episodename) but otherwise it looks great |
| [21:21:03] | justinh: | oh crap. changed video mode to 1024x768 to get around mythfrontend trying to set the wrong mode during playback & now it's tearing |
| [21:21:41] | justinh: | must look into why it's getting the mode wrong. it's set to use 800x600 but sometimes tries to use 720x576 which isn't supported |
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| [21:27:35] | RDV_Linux: | iamlindoro: The for mentioned script I just finished returns file names that can be user specified formats and optionally include SID series name, season number, episode number and episode name. I think this option could give you what you are looking for. All it needs is input is MythTV's %TITLE% and %SUBTITLE% or seaon and episode numbers. |
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| [21:31:37] | bob3: | hello |
| [21:32:01] | justinh: | hrm. don't think it's myth's fault. DisplayRes.cpp isn't doing any funky overriding |
| [21:32:19] | bob3: | I'm looking for a good digital (atsc) tuner card, any recomendations (i.e. not too expensive, works out of the box) |
| [21:33:10] | perilousapricot: | hey guys, why would nvtv not find my nvidia card? |
| [21:33:34] | laga: | perilousapricot: it's too old/too new/just unsupported |
| [21:33:36] | justinh: | perilousapricot: because it doesn't support anything above a GF4 ? |
| [21:33:49] | perilousapricot: | yeah, I just got an 8400GS |
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| [21:34:02] | perilousapricot: | but it's overscanning like 80 pixels on each side :( |
| [21:34:12] | justinh: | should be using the closed source driver & nvidia-settings |
| [21:34:24] | justinh: | perilousapricot: that's TVs for yer. they overscan |
| [21:34:56] | perilousapricot: | justinh, the weird thing is, nvidia-settings doesn't show overscan options |
| [21:35:00] | perilousapricot: | unless I'm braindead |
| [21:35:37] | laga: | are you using HDMI? |
| [21:35:54] | justinh: | you can only adjust overscan on the TV out.. meaning analogue.. meaning svideo or composite |
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| [21:36:26] | [Peter]: | perilousapricot: it's most likely a setting on the TV |
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| [21:37:59] | justinh: | it'd be best just to leave video output (i.e. playback of videos & recordings) at the full size but adjust the GUI size & offset to fit the screen |
| [21:38:20] | justinh: | if your desktop won't fit the TV, then that just sucks |
| [21:38:35] | justinh: | unless you fancy diddling with modelines til you're blue in the face |
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| [21:39:43] | [Peter]: | or he could just turn off the overscan on the TV, which is possible on most fairly new LCD TVs |
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| [21:40:28] | justinh: | not a good idea IMHO |
| [21:40:55] | iamlindoro: | Especially as, on the contrary, the lower end TVs tend to *not* have the ability to turn off overscan |
| [21:41:01] | justinh: | not unless he wants to endure seeing the stuff broadcasters put on lines they think you can't see |
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| [21:43:36] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...well if they think you can't see them, then there aren't bound to be ads down there. |
| [21:43:40] | justinh: | thing is, if you do what I suggest – i.e. scale the GUI to fit the TV screen & let the video output as it is – unscaled – you won't miss anything since broadcasters assume you won't see what your TV overscans |
| [21:44:05] | justinh: | you can take my word or no. I don't care either way |
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| [21:44:40] | [Peter]: | justinh: that seems to be a very limited problem nowadays, haven't seen any weird stuff for a very long time. and I'm not a big fan of having the picture scaled two times |
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| [21:45:25] | justinh: | it won't be scaled twice if you output at the TV's native res |
| [21:45:58] | [Peter]: | justinh: if you're using overscan it is. then the TV will scale it to something that's not native |
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| [21:46:11] | clever: | justinh: those warnings that analog broadcast will be cut off, are cut off by overscan:P |
| [21:46:16] | perilousapricot: | I'm outputting over s-video, I'm not sure of what the native resolution is |
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| [21:46:28] | perilousapricot: | and it's a CRT that doesn't have anything to turn off overscan |
| [21:46:29] | [Peter]: | oh, s-video. then you're screwed anyway :) |
| [21:46:34] | perilousapricot: | [Peter], :( |
| [21:46:34] | perilousapricot: | :) |
| [21:46:43] | justinh: | perilousapricot: so you should blimmin well see the tvoverscan slider in nvidia-settings then |
| [21:47:42] | perilousapricot: | justinh, I swear, it's not here |
| [21:47:45] | justinh: | it'll be in there |
| [21:47:46] | perilousapricot: | I've got the latest drivers and everything |
| [21:47:47] | RyeBrye: | if your tv shows the entire analog scan area, you will be stuck seing the dots on the top line that encodes the cc data |
| [21:48:13] | justinh: | RyeBrye: not to mention VT head tearing at the bottom on news reports & stuff ;) |
| [21:48:18] | clever: | RyeBrye: i see those but only on certain shows |
| [21:48:50] | [Peter]: | justinh: if you're running a 1280x720 signal to a 1280x720 display, and then the TV wants to add some overscan, how would it do that without using it's scaler? |
| [21:48:55] | justinh: | and yes, with standard def. content you'll still have to contend with areas the broadcasters cast aside in their assumption TVs overscan |
| [21:49:09] | perilousapricot: | I see a thing for digital vibrance and for image sharpening |
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| [21:51:10] | justinh: | looks like nvidia don't support it on more recent cards. whoops |
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| [21:52:17] | meshe: | so they're saying "go buy a digial tv?" |
| [21:53:13] | perilousapricot: | why would nvidia turn off overscan on recent cards :( |
| [21:53:20] | perilousapricot: | it worked fine on the 5700 I just replaced |
| [21:53:32] | gbee: | buy ATi, unsurpassed over/underscan and position adjustment for TV-out |
| [21:53:47] | gbee: | and better quality image with TV-out too |
| [21:54:12] | blackest_knight: | is dagmar still here ? |
| [21:54:31] | justinh: | stuff falls in & out of nvidia drivers all the time, par for the course |
| [21:55:08] | justinh: | and it seems ATI are getting more hits in the driver hit & miss mess than they used to :) |
| [21:55:42] | blackest_knight: | i just found the wierdest thing my usb pci card changes the standard based on whats plugged into it |
| [21:56:23] | blackest_knight: | that is something slow see's a 1.1 port and something fast gets a 2.0 port |
| [21:56:37] | justinh: | who'd have thunk eh?! |
| [21:56:50] | justinh: | that a USB port changes speed according to the device plugged into it! |
| [21:56:51] | justinh: | :-O |
| [21:57:14] | jduggan: | lol |
| [21:57:16] | blackest_knight: | well no its not that it changes what port it is according to whats plugged into it |
| [21:57:43] | justinh: | that isn't so surprising either |
| [21:57:52] | RyeBrye: | so it's /dev/usb1 if it's usb 1.1 and /dev/usb2 if it's usb 2.0? |
| [21:58:01] | blackest_knight: | there are 5 ports each report as 2.0 or 1.1 hubs |
| [21:58:20] | justinh: | I guess you're trying to fix something with udev |
| [21:58:26] | justinh: | good luck with that |
| [21:58:50] | blackest_knight: | so if its a 1.1 device it goes to hub 2,3,4 if its a 2.0 device it goes to hub 1 |
| [21:59:00] | wagnerrp: | blackest_knight: your USB2 card should show up as two separate hubs |
| [21:59:03] | justinh: | but then, setting static udev rules kinda relies on stuff not moving around I'd have thought |
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| [21:59:05] | wagnerrp: | one 1.1, and one 2.0 |
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| [21:59:57] | blackest_knight: | well actually as about 3 hubs two 1.1 and 1 2.0 but the actual physical ports on the card move to the hub thats needed |
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| [22:00:34] | wagnerrp: | that is correct |
| [22:00:53] | wagnerrp: | thats how it works in windows, thats how it works on macs, thats how it works in linux |
| [22:01:00] | blackest_knight: | so if i had 5 usb2 devices they would all go to the 2.0 hub and if it were 5 1.1 devices they go to the 1.1 hubs |
| [22:01:03] | wagnerrp: | its just how they decided to set up backwards compatibility |
| [22:01:25] | wagnerrp: | and if you had 2.5 usb2 devices, and 2.5 usb1.1 devices, they would divide up evenly |
| [22:02:10] | blackest_knight: | does this explain possibly why the usb ports all appeared to be 1.1 on the main board |
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| [22:02:35] | wagnerrp: | all the ports would be 1.1, all the ports would also be 2.0 |
| [22:02:39] | blackest_knight: | even thou there was supposed to be a 2.0 controller onboard |
| [22:02:51] | justinh: | wooooooooooooooooooooooo. WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO time for the daily show. need to turn the volume down |
| [22:03:12] | wagnerrp: | unless your drivers are hosed, and you only have the OHCI/UHCI drivers loaded |
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| [22:03:43] | justinh: | bout time More4 got hold of the DS without the overenthusiastic audience SFX |
| [22:04:29] | blackest_knight: | but windows figured i was using a 2.0 device on a 1.1 so the front ports may really be 1.1 |
| [22:04:32] | wagnerrp: | sfx? i had always just assumed they had a live audience |
| [22:04:54] | justinh: | could be dubbed for all I know. sounds way too enthused to be real surely |
| [22:05:30] | justinh: | I mean I know some of the guests are a bit of a big deal but ffs.. |
| [22:05:53] | wagnerrp: | laugh tracks have always bothered me |
| [22:06:15] | wagnerrp: | thats the one thing that pisses me off about chuck lorne shows |
| [22:06:36] | justinh: | don't mind the laughing. it's the cheering .. totally overreacting IMHO |
| [22:06:57] | blackest_knight: | some people are happier than others |
| [22:07:13] | justinh: | they need some of that Despondex |
| [22:07:27] | wagnerrp: | and some people are attention whores who just want to be heard on TV |
| [22:07:35] | blackest_knight: | nothing worse than some smug git walking around always smiling and laughing |
| [22:07:47] | wagnerrp: | i.e. the guy in golf who always yells 'get in the hole' |
| [22:08:00] | ** justinh looks up this 'golf' ** | |
| [22:08:18] | wagnerrp: | links to you |
| [22:08:34] | blackest_knight: | there you go live audience desperate to say to their mates thats me yellin |
| [22:08:41] | justinh: | never knew I was the best way to ruin a nice walk :P |
| [22:10:37] | blackest_knight: | golf is an excuse to be out walkin like fishing gives an excuse to sit in the sun by a river :) |
| [22:11:06] | justinh: | don't forget it's the only excuse you can ever have to wear silly trousers |
| [22:11:13] | blackest_knight: | women would never wear it if you said i'm off to sit by the river and catch some rays |
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| [22:11:43] | blackest_knight: | true or wellys upto your arm pits |
| [22:11:52] | justinh: | guy sits by the river all day drinking beer & he's a no good bum. Add a rod & he's a fisherman :P |
| [22:12:35] | blackest_knight: | or wear camouflage gear without looking like an army wannabee |
| [22:12:55] | wagnerrp: | why would fishermen need camouflage? |
| [22:13:09] | blackest_knight: | to hide from the fish |
| [22:13:25] | blackest_knight: | if they see you they scarper |
| [22:13:56] | blackest_knight: | its the same with any kind of hunting really |
| [22:14:16] | justinh: | for best results use grenades? |
| [22:14:17] | wagnerrp: | i going to say any movement will scare them, camouflage or not makes no difference |
| [22:14:49] | blackest_knight: | well depends if its expected movement |
| [22:15:02] | wagnerrp: | justinh: to much shrapnel, not enough shock, quarter sticks with waterproof wicks work better |
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| [22:17:09] | justinh: | last year we had some pollution in the canal near us. Thousands of fishies died & it took the environment guys weeks to get round to clearing up the mess :-\ Rotting fish in 30 deg C heat... Mmmmmm |
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| [22:17:54] | blackest_knight: | well i've got better places to fish now i moved to ireland :) |
| [22:18:24] | justinh: | aaaaaaaaanyway. back on topic.. wonder wth can be up with the frontend sometimes failing to do xrandr stuff |
| [22:18:49] | justinh: | restarting X fixes it |
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| [22:19:29] | justinh: | if there was another way to get the right aspect shown than using different video modes I'd use it |
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| [22:20:15] | justinh: | since when video profiles came in the aspect override went byebyes |
| [22:21:32] | perilousapricot: | is there a way I could maybe set up a virtual-desktop size so that even though the video card is at 1024x768, I could limit the X screen to the pixels that are actually visible on the screen? |
| [22:22:28] | justinh: | what's the big deal? just let the video be overscanned & set the GUI size & offset to fit :) |
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| [22:37:18] | Toad: | hey all... any recommendations for a PCI or PCIe tuner card that supports analog as well as composite/RCA input? ASTC/QAM is a plus but not necessary |
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| [22:39:16] | mag0o: | i need some verification on storage groups – it is possible to move recordings from sg to sg, correct? |
| [22:39:40] | mag0o: | so i can just add a new sg and move recordings there (i'm reducing the number of hd's in my system) |
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| [22:41:43] | sphery: | mag0o: you can move recordings from directory to directory /within the same/ SG and on the same host |
| [22:42:16] | mag0o: | ok, thats what i wanted to verify. I saw it on the wiki in regards to deleting a sg and then moving the files. |
| [22:42:20] | mag0o: | thanks |
| [22:42:21] | sphery: | I.e. the SG is the name that's linked to a group of directories. Which directory the recording is in is irrelevant. |
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| [22:44:43] | perilousapricot: | justinh, yeah, but it dongs up things like snes9x |
| [22:44:51] | perilousapricot: | which I enjoy a lot |
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| [22:47:31] | justdave: | motd2k: the new minis show 512 MB of video RAM available in the nvidia panel, with only 1GB of RAM installed in the thing |
| [22:47:50] | justdave: | oh, guess he's not here right now anyway |
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| [22:49:19] | justdave: | it annoys me that this HDTV cuts off 15 pixels around the outside edge of the screen. |
| [22:49:48] | justdave: | I can compensate inside mythtv, but it'd be nice to get Xorg to figure it out, too. |
| [22:49:56] | iamlindoro: | Uggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
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| [22:49:58] | justdave: | can't see the panels on the desktop if you quit out of myth |
| [22:50:19] | iamlindoro: | I just edited a freaking core theme file and spent ages moving elements around, and then it got borked by svn's merge tools |
| [22:50:30] | iamlindoro: | fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu dge |
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| [22:50:49] | justdave: | wtg svn :( |
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| [22:51:10] | meshe: | i did that the other day, spent a whole day working on a project and blasted it all away when i went to commit it |
| [22:51:19] | sphery: | iamlindoro: borked with >>>> stuff (and C status) or borked by merging things incorrectly |
| [22:51:33] | justinh: | justdave: good for the peeps to know btw :) |
| [22:51:42] | iamlindoro: | sphery, The former, but borked enough that it's really only worth doing over |
| [22:51:50] | sphery: | too bad... |
| [22:52:08] | justinh: | justdave: the mac mini video ram thing I mean :) |
| [22:52:14] | sphery: | with code, the >>>> is easy to find (thanks to compilers), but probably not so much in XML |
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| [22:52:20] | meshe: | justdave: 1080i without vdpau? |
| [22:52:36] | justdave: | meshe: the tv it's hooked up to right now is only 720p |
| [22:52:46] | sphery: | iamlindoro: could always see if Tortoise SVN's merge tool can help you fix it |
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| [22:52:52] | justdave: | haven't tried to figure out if vdpau works yet or not |
| [22:53:06] | iamlindoro: | sphery, I'm halfway through a fix already, will just steal positioning from my theme |
| [22:53:15] | justinh: | justdave: yeah but playing HD still takes the CPU grunt |
| [22:53:20] | justdave: | I had the thing hooked up to a real monitor while I was setting it up, I just hooked it up to the destination TV just now |
| [22:53:21] | meshe: | justdave: i want to see how they'll handle hi def 1080i/p non-vdpau |
| [22:54:05] | meshe: | it's my plan for my next fronend atm |
| [22:54:10] | justdave: | the old mini handles 1080p xvid at 23.976 fps without frame dropping after I added RAM to it |
| [22:54:22] | iamlindoro: | who in their right mind would produce 1080p vxid? Ewww |
| [22:54:25] | justdave: | (on a 720p display, so it's scaling it down at the same time) |
| [22:54:25] | iamlindoro: | er xvid |
| [22:54:38] | iamlindoro: | justdave, the scaling is all done by the video card, it doesn't come into play |
| [22:55:08] | justdave: | it couldn't keep up before I added the RAM though |
| [22:55:41] | meshe: | any idea what the cpu usage was after? |
| [22:55:54] | gbee: | iamlindoro: what version of svn? 1.5 will warn before attempting to merge possibily conflicting changes and allow you to ignore them etc – gives you a chance to handle it more gracefully |
| [22:55:55] | justinh: | oh class. IT Crowd.. The Speech :D |
| [22:56:00] | justdave: | hmm, not off the top of my head but I could probably find out |
| [22:56:36] | meshe: | actually, svn creates . files in the directory including a copy of your version unmodifed |
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| [22:56:40] | iamlindoro: | gbee, Yeah, I screwed up and hit the wrong key so it's human error too, didn't expect it to end up as bad as it did |
| [22:56:57] | meshe: | ls -a in the directory |
| [22:57:01] | meshe: | i think it's like .mine |
| [22:57:05] | iamlindoro: | it's already over, doesn't matter |
| [22:57:06] | gbee: | yeah that's a good point |
| [22:57:16] | iamlindoro: | thanks though |
| [22:57:37] | meshe: | deleted the dir already? |
| [22:57:45] | iamlindoro: | no, fixed the borkenness |
| [22:58:12] | meshe: | that was quick |
| [22:58:17] | perilousapricot: | justdave, I'm having the same problem |
| [22:58:29] | iamlindoro: | had near-identical positioning done in my theme from working on it last night |
| [22:58:37] | perilousapricot: | I seem to vaguely remember an xorg incantation to restrict the screen to a subset of the visible screen |
| [22:58:39] | iamlindoro: | so just stole that, renamed elements, and was done |
| [22:58:40] | gbee: | damn, was just about to make a coffee when I noticed the time :/ |
| [22:59:09] | meshe: | cool |
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| [23:01:18] | gbee: | guessing one of my commits fouled it up |
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| [23:01:47] | meshe: | merging in svn 1.4 sucks |
| [23:02:38] | meshe: | it's actually the reason our dev team is still stuck straddling between cvs and svn |
| [23:02:43] | perilousapricot: | s/merging/everything |
| [23:02:44] | ** iamlindoro watches mythmusic slowly scroll by ** | |
| [23:04:00] | perilousapricot: | Plugin mythmusic is not compatible with the installed mythtv libraries. Please recompile the plugin after a make distclean |
| [23:04:12] | ** perilousapricot is jealous of iamlindoro ** | |
| [23:04:33] | iamlindoro: | perilousapricot, so distclean, remove your old libarries, and build identical revisions of myth and plugins |
| [23:05:04] | perilousapricot: | iamlindoro, but I like the tasty deliciousness of precompiled binaries |
| [23:05:21] | iamlindoro: | but install identical precompiled versions :) |
| [23:05:23] | iamlindoro: | er then |
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| [23:06:01] | perilousapricot: | I think something got donged up on the mythbuntu weekly build |
| [23:06:10] | perilousapricot: | I guess I'll have to go there and demand my money back :) |
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| [23:09:14] | perilousapricot: | maybe there's some xrandr magic |
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| [23:12:37] | iamlindoro: | OMG, the new MythMusic looks freaking sweet, this is going to be my full time music player from now on |
| [23:13:24] | meshe: | that's what i like to hear |
| [23:13:30] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, but I'm kidding ;) |
| [23:13:36] | meshe: | awww :( |
| [23:13:44] | iamlindoro: | Hehe, no, it'll be good, it's just not done |
| [23:14:06] | meshe: | win box, itunes, iphone for remote :( |
| [23:14:41] | perilousapricot: | justdave, I found this |
| [23:14:42] | perilousapricot: | http://wilmer.gaast.net/blog/archives/34-Chan . . . margins.html |
| [23:15:00] | perilousapricot: | i'm not at home, but looking at the source, I think it would work |
| [23:15:01] | justdave: | yeah, I was just looking at that... |
| [23:15:06] | justdave: | apparently doesn't work on nvidia |
| [23:15:09] | justdave: | just intel |
| [23:15:09] | perilousapricot: | damn |
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| [23:16:01] | gbee: | !trout iamlindoro |
| [23:16:01] | ** MythLogBot slaps iamlindoro with a trout on behalf of gbee... ** | |
| [23:16:20] | iamlindoro: | gbee, Heheh, don't be mad, I'm only playing |
| [23:16:53] | gbee: | not mad :) |
| [23:17:05] | gbee: | tried maybe |
| [23:17:10] | gbee: | tired |
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| [23:18:20] | clever: | justs0me: you can tell just by looking at the port |
| [23:18:38] | clever: | does a USB stick fit in there? |
| [23:18:58] | justs0me: | yeap |
| [23:19:05] | clever: | then its a host port |
| [23:19:09] | justs0me: | it dotn say anything special around the ports |
| [23:19:23] | clever: | it will be pretty much imposible to connect to a laptop or extract data thru |
| [23:19:37] | clever: | you cant connect a host to another host |
| [23:19:55] | clever: | its probly to read mp3 files and pictures and display them on the tv |
| [23:20:08] | justs0me: | o |
| [23:20:41] | justs0me: | it also has firewire ports |
| [23:21:01] | justs0me: | but i suppose it only reads them |
| [23:21:13] | clever: | firewire is more of a peer2peer protocol |
| [23:21:23] | clever: | wont have any trouble connecting it to a computer |
| [23:21:42] | clever: | and firewire on a cable box is usualy able to capture the unencrypted channels, and atleast change the channel |
| [23:21:53] | justs0me: | oh |
| [23:22:19] | justs0me: | and mythtv will stream the feed? |
| [23:22:26] | clever: | probly will |
| [23:22:36] | justs0me: | i dont need it for dvr (no hdd room) |
| [23:22:53] | clever: | all 'live tv' done thru mythtv will record to the harddrive |
| [23:22:56] | iamlindoro: | If you just want Live TV, Myth is the *wrong* choice |
| [23:23:17] | wagnerrp: | if you are at all lacking in HD space, mythtv is not for you |
| [23:23:24] | clever: | if you just want livetv, plug the tv into the damn box:P |
| [23:23:35] | justs0me: | lol but my tv is crap |
| [23:23:47] | justs0me: | and im to broke to get another one |
| [23:23:55] | wagnerrp: | how is it going to look any better routing it through mythtv? |
| [23:23:59] | meshe: | hard drives are cheaper |
| [23:24:15] | clever: | wagnerrp: the crt/lcd for a computer is alot higher res then a SD tv |
| [23:24:16] | justs0me: | my computer screen looks better |
| [23:24:21] | clever: | see:P |
| [23:24:32] | clever: | dvi/hdmi outputs on the cable box? |
| [23:24:32] | wagnerrp: | so then use tvtime or something |
| [23:24:32] | jams: | maybe he wants to save the recordings to veiw later when the better tv is purhased. |
| [23:24:36] | justs0me: | my tv is really messed up though, internally |
| [23:24:59] | justs0me: | hdmi is there |
| [23:25:05] | iamlindoro: | jams, He was just saying how he's not interested in recording |
| [23:25:13] | iamlindoro: | jams, ergo the "don't use myth" advice |
| [23:25:22] | wagnerrp: | justs0me: do you know if your monitor supports hdcp? |
| [23:25:36] | clever: | justs0me: might be able to connect the hdmi to a dvi computer monitor, if hdcp isnt used or the monitor supports it |
| [23:25:54] | wagnerrp: | chances are a cable box with hdmi is also going to have hdcp |
| [23:25:56] | justs0me: | umm no idea but my laptop had a hdmi port |
| [23:26:08] | wagnerrp: | your laptop has hdmi OUT, not IN |
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| [23:26:26] | justs0me: | oh |
| [23:26:31] | wagnerrp: | oddly, theyre the same port |
| [23:26:39] | wagnerrp: | im surprised that hasnt caused people trouble |
| [23:27:04] | wagnerrp: | i guess RCA and RF plus are all one kind |
| [23:27:08] | wagnerrp: | plugs |
| [23:27:27] | clever: | ive fed composite video into my SPDIF output before and i dont think i damaged anything |
| [23:27:27] | gbee: | hdmi is supposed to be 2-way, so long as the device supports it of course |
| [23:28:25] | perilousapricot: | gbee, I would think the '2-way' of hdmi is letting control signals run back up the cable, not a video stream |
| [23:28:42] | justs0me: | humm tvtime says it must first go threw a video capture card |
| [23:28:58] | inoxor: | hi, i'm wondering if it's possible to have a script launch every time i select a video file to play in mythtv? the script needs the name of the file to be launched |
| [23:28:59] | clever: | i didnt think tvtime supported firewire |
| [23:29:16] | justs0me: | the box has 3 usb ports |
| [23:29:20] | justs0me: | cable box* |
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| [23:29:39] | wagnerrp: | are any of them type B? |
| [23:30:55] | justs0me: | A |
| [23:31:05] | wagnerrp: | well it doesnt really matter anyway |
| [23:31:18] | wagnerrp: | the most you could hope for over USB is some form of management access |
| [23:31:46] | gbee: | perilousapricot: nah, what I'm talking about is reversing the direction for things like Camcorders which will either feed out to a HD TV or record the input from another device via the same port |
| [23:32:42] | wagnerrp: | gbee: record over HDMI? that sounds like something one would want for nefarious activities |
| [23:32:46] | clever: | gbee: that sounds like 'usb to go' where a 5th pin indicates if the cord is for a host or client |
| [23:32:50] | gbee: | HDMI doesn't have an IN/OUT or Male/Female restriction to allow dual capability using just a single connection |
| [23:32:54] | wagnerrp: | thats why we have HDCP to protect users from themselves |
| [23:32:56] | clever: | gbee: like a usb printer that can also connect directly to a usb camera |
| [23:33:11] | wagnerrp: | prevent them from accidentally committing crimes |
| [23:33:37] | clever: | yeah, it sounds like it would be way too easy to record hdtv with a simple camera |
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| [23:33:48] | gbee: | and it also makes plugging in HDMI cables easier for the end user :p |
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| [23:37:21] | justs0me: | a form said that my laptops hdmi is output only |
| [23:37:25] | justs0me: | so no hdcp |
| [23:37:45] | clever: | it may have hdcp output |
| [23:38:08] | clever: | hdcp is to enforce copy protection, and might be used to 'protect' the video output when playing blu-ray disks |
| [23:38:24] | wagnerrp: | my laptop is one of the rare few ive ever heard of having any form video input |
| [23:38:47] | clever: | ive never seen a laptop with video input |
| [23:39:08] | inoxor: | i'm trying to make a system for automatic switching of frequency so to get the same as the fps of the movie.. for that i need to launch a script every time a movie starts. anyone who can point me in the right direction? |
| [23:39:14] | wagnerrp: | mine has some form of phillips composite/svideo framegrabber |
| [23:39:49] | clever: | inoxor: ive seen the fps change between different parts of the same video |
| [23:40:07] | inoxor: | that must be rare badly encoded movies |
| [23:40:10] | clever: | wagnerrp: sounds sucky:P |
| [23:40:15] | wagnerrp: | inoxor: are you actually outputting to a display that supports something other than 50/60Hz operation? |
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| [23:40:30] | inoxor: | yes it's a pioneer 50" plasma with 24hz support |
| [23:40:41] | wagnerrp: | clever: its 8 years old, you expect me to have a encoder chip onboard? |
| [23:40:47] | clever: | wagnerrp: lol:P |
| [23:41:16] | clever: | inoxor: i think they enced the different parts seperately at different qualitys, then did a basic streamcopy to stitch it back together |
| [23:41:23] | clever: | encoded* |
| [23:42:12] | inoxor: | that's ugly :) |
| [23:42:45] | justs0me: | so someone mentioned tvtime for realtime tv, when i search it it says that it reads the content from a video capture card? so i need a tv tuner card? (or will some firewire magic work with software) |
| [23:42:46] | clever: | one expanation i read was saying something about 24fps background effects with 30fps foreground effects |
| [23:43:00] | clever: | trying to recencode that was a pain for them:P |
| [23:43:38] | inoxor: | well if they are so stupid to record at different fps i don't feel pity for them |
| [23:43:50] | clever: | it was animated content |
| [23:44:01] | clever: | 3d effects mixed with hand drawn parts |
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| [23:44:48] | inoxor: | many strange things in the world of movies =) |
| [23:44:57] | clever: | yeah |
| [23:45:56] | inoxor: | sure as hell would be sweet to get native fps when i play movies on my plasma though |
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