Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, March 11th, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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tony426:

the anarchic nature of linux is screwing it over with audio

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tony426:

so many implementations, it just seems a clusterfsck

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gbee:

jack is really for audio experts/industrial use, mixing etc – can't comment too much on it since I've never used it

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tony426:

that's why i'm thinking of heading back to vista. it may be empowering one implementation over the other but at least it has it's crap together in that dept

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tony426:

same with xorg, it's a mess

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gbee:

photon is the KDE desktop sound server (used to be something else, but I can't remember the name), it's really just attempting to make up for the deficiencies of Alsa again but it's a little more complicated than that

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tony426:

i think it's phonon, iirc

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gbee:

yeah, typo

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wagnerrp:

photon is a sound server? sounds wrong...

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gbee:

phonon

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at0m|werk:

phonon using xine backend ew

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darkdrgn2k:

Any one know if there is some kinda of plugin or such to extend mythvideo to use thetvdb

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at0m|werk:

audio is such a mess i like to stick to just alsa with softvol per app. and kill all alsa using apps including web browsers before starting jackd to run music production software

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wagnerrp:

darkdrgn2k: there are some external scripts to run mythvideo shows against tvrage

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wagnerrp:

but AFAIK, nothing with thetvdb

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at0m|werk:

all apps incl. browser does the alsa emulation of jackd backend, but flash doesnt :z

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wagnerrp:

now mythvideo IS being rewritten to accept any number of different grabbers

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wagnerrp:

but that has not made it in yet

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darkdrgn2k:

wagnerrp: can you point me int he right direction?

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darkdrgn2k:

wagnerrp: dont really care WHICH tv ripper it usses:)

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wagnerrp:

just search the -users logs for tvrage

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darkdrgn2k:

kool

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wagnerrp:

someone (dont remember who) wrote a grabber, and iamlindoro modified it slightly and gave it a wrapper to loop through any content without metadata in the database

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wagnerrp:

back in september i believe

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darkdrgn2k:

wagnerrp: where to logs again.....

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darkdrgn2k:

http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /232845.html ?

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wagnerrp:

im looking at 232850.html currently

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wagnerrp:

IIRC, there is an updated version somewhere, from a month or two ago

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wagnerrp:

try http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/368459

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darkdrgn2k:

cool

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darkdrgn2k:

any word on the new myth version will be stable enough for daily use?

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wagnerrp:

i use it daily

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abqjp:

gbee, clever, iamlindoro, back when I used mythwelcome, it was for the sole purpose of being able to easily restart mythfrontend when it segfaulted. I now use an irexec to restart mythfrtonend, and don't use mythwelcome anymore, but some people may use it that way.

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wagnerrp:

frontend kicks off every so often; vdpau kicks off every so often

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wagnerrp:

so i just have a button made to kill the frontend

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wagnerrp:

and the startup script is set up to automatically start the frontend back up

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wagnerrp:

ive had no problems with the backend for some time

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clever:

abqjp: i still use mythwelcome for that too

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clever:

my frontend segfaults alot when timeing out

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iamlindoro:

Anyone see the brand new Star Trek trailer? I'm not even a fan, but that movie looks *fun*

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wagnerrp:

i want to see it just to figure out why they were jumping from one platform to another, on what looked like a space elevator above mars

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iamlindoro:

I'm guessing the bad guy ship is a planet smasher, that's about all I've got so far

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iamlindoro:

and it looks like the bad guy kills Kirk's dad to change his future, but that the timeline gets corrected?

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iamlindoro:

something like that

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wagnerrp:

are then jumping down to the planet smashing platform?

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wagnerrp:

*they

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iamlindoro:

I dunno

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iamlindoro:

but it looks like sulu has mad ninja skills

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wagnerrp:

which somehow has to be dangled from orbit

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wagnerrp:

at a low enough level that parachutes actually functiondk

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iamlindoro:

I do love Abrams/Orci/Kurtzman, so I expect something decent

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wagnerrp:

well for better or worse, its supposed to break significantly from star trek cannon

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wagnerrp:

of course each subsequent version of star trek has supposedly rewritten much of the history

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wagnerrp:

so i dont think that will mean much

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iamlindoro:

I haven't seen one in a long time

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wagnerrp:

just piss off some of the ubergeeks

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iamlindoro:

I remember seeing the movies with my folks on Thanksgivings as a kid, they always used to come out Thanksgiving weekend

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wagnerrp:

i think ill enjoy Pegg as scotty

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iamlindoro:

I love Simon Pegg

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iamlindoro:

Although more in movies he writes

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wagnerrp:

looks like scotty's son plays a generic officer

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wagnerrp:

real-life son

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Wayhigh:

I have a kworld atsc-110 that can get qam-256 channels just fine but it can't pick up analog for some reason. Any idea why it can't get analog?

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wagnerrp:

i still dont understand the meaning of the shirt colors

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wagnerrp:

besides the fact that no-name red shirts die before the first commercial break

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wagnerrp:

they seem to arbitrarily change color and design on a whim

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, I think it may piss off the hardcore fans, but it looks like a fun summer movie to me

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wagnerrp:

im not sure i like the concept that a military vessel is going to be white and shiney and overlit inside, with a bunch of large glass panels

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wagnerrp:

i mean the ship has a chrome plated throttle

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iamlindoro:

Haha, I loved the chrome throttle

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wagnerrp:

Wayhigh: you really should not be using analog on your atsc-110

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Wayhigh:

wagnerrp: can't get some channels I want without it

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wagnerrp:

Wayhigh: so pick up a used PVR off ebay

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wagnerrp:

framegrabbers on hybrid digital cards = teh suck

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Wayhigh:

heh. I agree

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wagnerrp:

man... that was hard to type, xchat kept auto-correcting 'the'

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Wayhigh:

hahha

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Lexridge:

Question: My old computer is AGP only, and I would like to upgrade my gfx card to something that supports VDPAU. Well, nothing the 9000 range of cards are available in AGP, only PCI express. I can however get a 9000 series card in a PCI slot. How well would the PCI versions work?

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wagnerrp:

with VDPAU, fantastic

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wagnerrp:

with anything but VDPAU, at anything better than 720p, horrible

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Lexridge:

What about normal desktop operations....such as google earth?

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Lexridge:

stuff that does not use VDPAU in otherwords

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wagnerrp:

the PCI bus doesnt have enough bandwidth to push much more than 720p

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wagnerrp:

any 3D applications are going to suffer badly due to the lack of bandwidth

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Lexridge:

that's what I though. :(

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Lexridge:

thought

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wagnerrp:

texture compression will help some, but the performance just isnt there

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Lexridge:

I didn't think it would be..I figured VDPAU would work the same on a PCI card, the hit would be on everything else.

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Lexridge:

guess I'll need a new MB soon. This 939 has served me well however.

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wagnerrp:

VDPAU only works because youre sending a compressed data stream, which is going to be well less than 10MB/s

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Lexridge:

right

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wagnerrp:

i dont actually know what the peak mpeg2 bandwidth it can handle is

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wagnerrp:

but i doubt they would bother with much more than bluray can provide it

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Lexridge:

VDPAU works with both H264 and mpeg2 doesn't it?

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wagnerrp:

an AGP 939?

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wagnerrp:

correct

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Lexridge:

no, the mb has a 939 CPU x2, the gfx card is a NV6800 w/512

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wagnerrp:

i thought the 939s were all PCIe or combo boards

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Lexridge:

not this one. It's a gigabyte brand name.The model number eludes me atm.

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XLV:

no, they have produced some s939 boards with nforce 3 pro chipset ( agp/pci )

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Lexridge:

it's a K8 Triton

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wagnerrp:

the nf3 was an abomination

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XLV:

or other chipsets eg from via that were agp

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wagnerrp:

you should be ashamed when VIA outperforms you

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Lexridge:

yes, this has the nforce3 c/s on it

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Lexridge:

Well, fortunetly I've not had many issues with this one.

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Lexridge:

actually worse than VIA? I find that hard to believe.

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wagnerrp:

yeah, the nf3 could only manage a 600MHz bus

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wagnerrp:

the VIAs ran at the full 800MHz

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Lexridge:

but the VIAs sucked at everything else ;)

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Lexridge:

especially when there was a soundblaster live card plugged into a via mb.

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wagnerrp:

the K8T800 was all around better than the nf3

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Lexridge:

well, I guess I will just bite the bullet and start looking at a system upgrade. I've had this really sweet iStarUSA rackmount case I've been dying to get into to. :)

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Lexridge:

I can never shut this computer off. If I do, I have to disconnect the p/s from the MB before it will turn back on. Strange eh.

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wagnerrp:

sounds like you have a short somewhere

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Lexridge:

and then re-connect it of course.

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Lexridge:

or a stuck microchip relay

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Lexridge:

at least that was what someone once suggested it could be. Sounds a little suspicious to me.

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wagnerrp:

unplugging from the wall doesnt fix it?

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Lexridge:

no

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wagnerrp:

thats downright odd

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Lexridge:

damn right that odd!

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Lexridge:

I've been fighting with this for about a year now. Cannot for the life of me figure out wtf is going on.

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Lexridge:

It's on a good UPS, so it rarely needs me to unplug the p/s from the mb.

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Lexridge:

it warm reboots everytime. It's just the cold start fails.

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iamlindoro:

How nice of eBay to send me a nice shiny $2 coupon

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iamlindoro:

With that I could buy myself some delicious skittles!

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Lexridge:

wow, I'm jealous. There should be skittles for everyone

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oobe:

was wondering if there is a way to determine if mythfrontend is idle or playing somthing from console

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oobe:

basically i want to auto shutdown my frontend at a certain time each night but i want to make a small script that checks if its in use first

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oobe:

i dont really want to use mythwelcome

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Dagmar:

none that I'm aware of

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wagnerrp:

oobe: yes, using the telnet/socket interface

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wagnerrp:

you can 'query status' or something

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Dagmar:

I don't think CPU usage would even be a good indicator

[03:29:33]

wagnerrp:

well... you can 'query location'

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oobe:

what exactly does that entail wagnerrp

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wagnerrp:

have it set up so it checks the location every couple seconds for a minute or two

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wagnerrp:

if it doesnt leave the main menu, drop it to standby

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oobe:

location of what exactly

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Dagmar:

This is assuming you have the discipline to always exit to the main menu

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oobe:

like where mythfrontend is in the menu

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wagnerrp:

correct

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Dagmar:

My gf loves to leave the damn thing in the selector for what to play back

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Dagmar:

...which makes it go all damn night showing the same bit of clip

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wagnerrp:

do you have a programmable remote?

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oobe:

well i use lirc

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oobe:

i dont have a universal remote

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wagnerrp:

i mean you can always make a powerdown macro hit 'back' several times

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Dagmar:

Yeah but he means is your remote one of those all-in-one

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wagnerrp:

and then let mythtv decide if it wants to shutdown for the night

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oobe:

i use a jump point on my remote that brings me to the main menu

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Dagmar:

THere's a useful thing then

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wagnerrp:

jumppoints work... sometimes

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oobe:

i already have shutdown in the exit menu

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wagnerrp:

ive noticed if youre deep within mythvideo, the jumppoint just brings you to the root folder in mythvideo

[03:34:14]

oobe:

maybe i should just shut it down but i want to save electricity if i forget

[03:34:46]

oobe:

not to me it always brings me to main menu

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oobe:

so how would i use query locataion

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wagnerrp:

open telnet, 'query location'

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wagnerrp:

although i cant figure out how to pass commands into telnet

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wagnerrp:

you may have to use some language that provides a raw socket library

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Dagmar:

Perl

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Dagmar:

It would be easymode

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Dagmar:

IP sockets like that are really simple in perl

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wagnerrp:

open a socket, pass some text, read the reply, close the socket

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wagnerrp:

or, leave it open for the next dozen or so queries

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oobe:

actually i use sshfs fuse so that is pheasable

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wagnerrp:

huh?

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Dagmar:

same here

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oobe:

my frontend can auto log in to my backend via ssh

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wagnerrp:

what does sshfs have to do with accessing a socket?

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oobe:

well i could make a script that can send commands to a remote host with out password prompt

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wagnerrp:

what does sshfs have to do with automatically logging in via ssh?

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Dagmar:

...especially since the socket in question is unencrypted

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wagnerrp:

what would you even need ssh for?

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oobe:

nothing sorry but that is why i setup the ssh keys

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Dagmar:

You can pick up enough perl to do it in about an hour

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GreyFoxx:

the telnet interface they are referring to is a raw netwrk socket, not a commandline. ssh is not involved, logins are not involved

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GreyFoxx:

connect to IP/port, issue command, read response, close socket

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wagnerrp:

the socket is unencrypted, unpassworded, and listening on a network accessible address

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oobe:

ok then i misunderstood completly

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Dagmar:

Heck you could do it through bash if you wantd to set up /dev/tcp

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Dagmar:

...but that code would be gnomic.

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Dagmar:

netcat would make it slightly less gnomic. *SLIGHTLY*

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oobe:

so is there some way i can find out in more detail about using telnet to query location in mythfrontend

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oobe:

brb

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Dagmar:

It's mostly documented on the wiki

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wagnerrp:

'telnet <address> 6546'

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wagnerrp:

followed by a 'help'

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oobe:

i get connection refused

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oobe:

so would that be telneting to the backend

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wagnerrp:

frontend

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wagnerrp:

its designed to control playback

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GreyFoxx:

and you have to turn it on in the frontend settings (rthen restart the software)

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wagnerrp:

doesnt it come enabled by default?

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GreyFoxx:

no :)

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wagnerrp:

huh... i dont recall ever having to enable it

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wagnerrp:

although its entirely possible i did, and just dont recall doing so

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wagnerrp:

i hate it when people send emails with horribly wrong system clocks

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wagnerrp:

some email just showed up in the -users list as coming at 7am this morning

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wagnerrp:

GreyFoxx: anything ever come out of your nokia tablet interface? im thinking of picking up an 810 next time they drop around $200

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Lexridge:

wagnerrp: I did'n know the frontend could be controlled via telnet. Can it be controlled via a serial port?

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wagnerrp:

Lexridge: in so much as you can rig up lirc to use a serial port

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Lexridge:

oh, okay

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wagnerrp:

the only reason the telnet interface exists is because it was contracted work from Pluto

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oobe:

all i get is this

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oobe:

Trying 127.0.0.1...

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oobe:

Connected to localhost.

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oobe:

Escape character is '^]'.

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wagnerrp:

that should be followed by 'mythfrontend network control\ntype 'help' for usage information\n--------------------\n#'

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oobe:

yeah it says that in the docs

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oobe:

but it dont show up here

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oobe:

do i need to restart the backend

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wagnerrp:

nope, frontend only

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wagnerrp:

try connecting to a real IP, not localhost

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oobe:

ok

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oobe:

oh wait i run mythfrontend on a seperate x session on this machine

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wagnerrp:

you run two instances of the frontend on one machine?

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GreyFoxx:

Doesn't everyone ?:)

[04:04:47]

wagnerrp:

not if you use lirc, and other people are awake

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GreyFoxx:

I have 2 x sessions, with 2 seperate fronends feeding my flatscreen and projector

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wagnerrp:

'holy crap! mythtv is controlling itself! its become sentient... and it likes... seinfeld?'

[04:05:53]

Lexridge:

I have run two from time to time, mainly during college football season.

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oobe:

wait a sec it was listening on a different port

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GreyFoxx:

I have a small patch letting me tell each frontend to use a serpate program name in the lirc config

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GreyFoxx:

\

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oobe:

6546

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oobe:

i was say 6543

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oobe:

looking back you said 6546

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wagnerrp:

6543 is the status website

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oobe:

and i was silly

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wagnerrp:

http... but technically another raw socket interface

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oobe:

no i dont use 2 instances of mythfrontend

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oobe:

but i have a seperate x session just for myth so i can switch tty ctl alt f9 for myth ctl alt f7 for desktop

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wagnerrp:

seems the telnet interface does not bind to localhost

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GreyFoxx:

one 6543 is the backend port (protocol) port 6544 is the status I think

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GreyFoxx:

the telnet interface does here. binds to 0.0.0.0

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GreyFoxx:

I use localhost to connect to it all the time

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GreyFoxx:

hrm, I'm getting lots of packet loss tonight

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wagnerrp:

here we go....

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oobe:

sweet this will work

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wagnerrp:

echo -e "query location\nexit" | nc <address> 6546 | sed -n -e '4p' | sed -e 's/^# //'

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oobe:

where did you find that

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wagnerrp:

my fingers

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wagnerrp:

they just started typing

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oobe:

what does it do exactly

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wagnerrp:

i dont know what happened

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iamlindoro:

I don't know, but you wake up the next mornign and can't walk right

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oobe:

im not really good with sed

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wagnerrp:

well... nothing, unless you have netcat installed

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wagnerrp:

grabs the fourth line, and strips out a '# ' from the beginning

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oobe:

these lines apear with "Playback" if im watching livetv or video

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oobe:

so i probably need to do somthing like what you typed with a if Playback then /dev/null else /sbin/halt

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wagnerrp:

or... 'exit'

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wagnerrp:

trying to run '/dev/null' will probably end somewhere you dont want to go

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oobe:

oh ok

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oobe:

i made that up on the fly im going to use some scripts i already have working and modify them

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oobe:

wagnerrp, sweet that line works perfect

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oobe:

thanks wagnerrp http://pastebin.com/m649ee409

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wagnerrp:

whats the 'grep -v grep' for?

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iamlindoro:

grep grep grep grep grep

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Shadow__X:

awk awk awk awk awk

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iamlindoro:

That's what I sed

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Shadow__X:

uh oh

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Shadow__X:

lol

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iamlindoro:

But I won't WINE

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iamlindoro:

okay, okay, enough

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Shadow__X:

heh if i was a bit more CLEVER i could of kept it going

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wagnerrp:

im trying to bring a cat in here... but im drawing a blank

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wagnerrp:

oobe leave without understanding the function of grep?

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Shadow__X:

i cant find anything because i dont know the name

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oobe:

that will still work wont it i havent tested yet i am using a script that already works

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iamlindoro:

uname it, inode it

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oobe:

i will pastebin the original if you care

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iamlindoro:

ha ha, okay, I'm done for real now

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wagnerrp:

oode: yes, that script will work, but the 'grep -v grep' is completely unneeded

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Shadow__X:

-r you sure

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oobe:

i thought so myself

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wagnerrp:

i know exactly where it came from, and it doesnt apply in this case

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oobe:

yeah its the start myth

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wagnerrp:

no, its a big long pipe, starting with a 'ps'

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wagnerrp:

probably with some other greps, and an awk

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oobe:

i really dont mind if i spawning an unececary process as long as it works

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wagnerrp:

but you should mind, you should understand what you wrote... or in this case, copied

[04:39:10]

oobe:

so this is all i need if echo -e "query location\nexit" | nc localhost 6546 | sed -n -e '4p' | sed -e 's/^# //'| grep Playback

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wagnerrp:

do you understand what 'grep -v grep' does?

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oobe:

i didnt check but i assume it means verbose

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wagnerrp:

not in the least

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Dagmar:

It means invert the match

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oobe:

--invert-match

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oobe:

yeah

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Dagmar:

But don't do this in shell

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Dagmar:

Yuck

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oobe:

i dont know what that does

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wagnerrp:

you are running 'ps', which gives a process listing, often including the 'grep' command

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Dagmar:

oobe: It means "show me lines that DON'T contain the string"

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oobe:

oh ok

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wagnerrp:

if you dont 'grep -v grep', it may pick up the grep process, in addition to the process you were actually looking for

[04:42:02]

oobe:

well i will just use | grep Playback

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Dagmar:

Look at http://www.devshed.com/c/a/Perl/Socket-Programming-in-PERL/2/

[04:42:18]

Dagmar:

21 lines of perl code in "A Simple Client"

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wagnerrp:

so you do 'ps | grep | awk', youre going to end up with two PIDs

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oobe:

oh yeah

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wagnerrp:

you have to filter out the line containing the 'grep' process first

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oobe:

"grep -v grep Playback" will work

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Dagmar:

Use -C

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wagnerrp:

NO, IT WILL NOT WORK

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wagnerrp:

when would 'grep' EVER show up as the output of the command you are running?

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Dagmar:

oobe: What, specifically, are you looking for in the output?

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: When you're running it against ps

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oobe:

but what i pastebin will work

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Dagmar:

...which is generally useless.

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oobe:

Playback

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Dagmar:

8 times out of 10 the user *really* wants `ps -C mythfrontend -o uid=`

[04:44:28]

Dagmar:

oobe: So take the first grep out entirely then

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hads:

`grep fooba[r]` fixes having grep in the output

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: i mean in terms of the command being run

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: I know. If someone's dim enough to type `ps -ef| grep -v grep | grep mythfrontend` they deserve to be smacked with a rolled-up manpage

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wagnerrp:

fair enough

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Dagmar:

There's another problem with that bit of shell, but I have a much better idea

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Dagmar:

Gimme about five minutes

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oobe:

this works |grep -v grep|grep Playback

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Dagmar:

But it's STUPID.

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wagnerrp:

it does work, but again... why are you putting 'grep -v grep' in there

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Dagmar:

Do you expect what comes from that socket to have "grep" in it?

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wagnerrp:

what purpose does it serve?

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wagnerrp:

it filters out lines containing the word 'grep'

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oobe:

ok i see your point

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Dagmar:

Argh I don't have the telnet port enabled here

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wagnerrp:

and unless you are currently watching a show with 'grep' in the name, you will never see it

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oobe:

so i should just use | grep Playback

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Dagmar:

Yes

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wagnerrp:

and you understand why now?

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Dagmar:

Well, yes and no.

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Dagmar:

'grep -v grep' isn't doing anything useful at all, so it should go, but the other 'grep Playback' isn't necessarily the way to go about *that* either

[04:49:42]

wagnerrp:

since you could be doing a whole slew of activity besides Playback

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Dagmar:

Grep has more modes than that, and the one you *want* is the one that makes grep return a *number*

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Dagmar:

`grep -c Playback` will return the number of times it saw "Playback"

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Dagmar:

THIS is something you can put to use more easily than a string of output

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oobe:

yeah i understand

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wagnerrp:

you end up with a 0 or a 1, which plays much nicer with conditional statements

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Dagmar:

Well, a 0 or a number from 1 to a jillion

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oobe:

i just discovered PlaybackBox will turn up if im in recorded tv menu

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Dagmar:

Either way, testing for zero is easy to read

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wagnerrp:

well there shouldnt be more than one line

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Dagmar:

So... PERL

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wagnerrp:

perl seems like a big step at the moment

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oobe:

so it will prevent it from shuting down

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Dagmar:

PERL is the language you should probably be using for this, since it's a text parsing problem

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: If I can just finish this scribble, I'll ahve just murdered the problem

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Dagmar:

Okay, so from that tutorial, I've made the two changes neccessary to start explaining this

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Dagmar:

http://pastebin.com/m110f1032

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Dagmar:

That will (or should at any rate) connect to the port, send the "query location" command, and then read from the socket. This is just fer starters basically, more edits will happen

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Dagmar:

The advantage to using perl is that I'm *pretty* sure a test for /Playback\W/ will work

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hads:

If you're looking for frontend status; http://paste.pocoo.org/show/107379/

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Dagmar:

With a very VERY small modification to the previous post http://pastebin.com/m15f7d6c1

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Dagmar:

It should return 1 when the thing's in Playback mode and 0 otherwise

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Dagmar:

As an added bonus, it's less eyestrain than python.

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Dagmar:

;)

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hads:

Haha, you like reading perl?

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Dagmar:

Over.things.with.dots.and.a.tendency.to.use.crappy.varnames?

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Dagmar:

Oh yes.

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** hads giggles **

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Dagmar:

If I hadn't cloned that guy's existing code I could drop almost half of those lines

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Dagmar:

Then it would be much less eyestrain

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Dagmar:

Taking all the ultra-paranoid stuff out, we get http://pastebin.com/m49fd02a8

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wagnerrp:

LANGUAGE FIGHT!!!

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Dagmar:

Oh I can make it smaller too

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oobe:

are you making all this on the fly hads and Dagmar

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hads:

oobe: I've no idea what Dagmar is doing, I just pasted a script I use for seeing what my frontends are up to.

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Dagmar:

http://pastebin.com/m5e0e0e72

[05:04:43]

Dagmar:

oobe: I am

[05:04:59]

Dagmar:

Perl is great for rapid prototyping, i.e., when you "just want to throw something together that works"

[05:05:37]

wagnerrp:

well, scripting languages in general are for that

[05:05:48]

Dagmar:

In that last pastebin, I just have the last thing doubled up so that without uncommenting the next to last line, it'll just say "No playback going on"

[05:05:57]

wagnerrp:

perl just happens to have pioneered regular expressions

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Dagmar:

...and most of the commands are practically plain english

[05:06:34]

Dagmar:

The socket creation part could be made more readable still, but I can't remember which package to invoke

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Dagmar:

I tossed out the while loop, because IIRC the thing just responds with one line to that command

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oobe:

Dagmar, i cant really understand perl so im going to stick to the sh

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Dagmar:

Okay

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oobe:

i mean unless you come up with somthing you want me to try

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oobe:

and can assure me is safe

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Dagmar:

Pastebin the output of `echo -e "query location\nexit" | nc localhost 6546` then

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Dagmar:

If I knew for sure what it said I could probably fix your sh script

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Dagmar:

I can't even begin to guess what you were doing with "sed -n -e '4p' | sed -e 's/^# //'"

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oobe:

http://pastebin.com/m7beb75d8

[05:11:28]

oobe:

wagnerrp came up with it

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Dagmar:

o.O

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oobe:

it works i dont question it

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hads:

So you're happy to run shell you don't understand but not perl? :)

[05:13:29]

wagnerrp:

exactly!

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wagnerrp:

ignorance is bliss

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Dagmar:

So all you really need is ...

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Dagmar:

grep -v PlaybackBox | grep -c Playback

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Dagmar:

I think

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Dagmar:

One sec

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Dagmar:

I've got a 0 popping up in the output I dont' want

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oobe:

i dont mind using perl if i dont understand it

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wagnerrp:

if you dont know how to program, dont accept random code from someone who has no intention of maintaining it

[05:18:53]

Dagmar:

Reduced to "stupidly simple"

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Dagmar:

http://pastebin.com/ma9e26a0

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Dagmar:

So, look closely at the if statement

[05:19:10]

Dagmar:

It's a dummy at hte moment

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Dagmar:

So, with teh *actual* test in it, it's http://pastebin.com/m182d8113

[05:20:27]

Dagmar:

Following the pipes the "grep -v PlaybackBox" makes it be false if the answer is PlaybackBox

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Dagmar:

grep -cq Playback can *probably* be reduced to just grep -q Playback actually

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Dagmar:

The -q argument makes grep not say anything, but exit 1 if it had a match, or 0 if it didn't

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Dagmar:

...which means that bash winds up looking at if (1) then or if (0) then

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Dagmar:

None of that stuff with sed was necessary at all

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wagnerrp:

well the assumption was he was going to check for a number of things

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wagnerrp:

not just 'Playback'

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Dagmar:

So long as he puts the things that are "no"s in with the first grep and the things which are "yes"es in with the second grep he's fine

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Dagmar:

He's definitely got to get out of the habit of using things he doesn't understsand tho

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oobe:

Dagmar, that works perfect grep -v PlaybackBox | grep -q Playback); then

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Dagmar:

oobe: you can combine multiple matches in one grep by separating the strings with a pipe, but you have to escape it

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wagnerrp:

'c'... 'c'.... CEEEEE

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Dagmar:

So, if you wanted to have both PlaybackBox and Murder be an indication that you're not in playback mode, you could do grep -c "PlaybackBox\|Murder"

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Dagmar:

er with the -v tho

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Dagmar:

Took em a moment to remember I had to escape the pipe as I went through a bunch of different types of regexps

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Dagmar:

I was like "Why the hell doesn't (dog|cat) work

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RyeBrye:

Does trunk have problems building with Qt 4.5.0 or was I reading things wrong on the dev list?

[07:19:06]

RyeBrye:

nm. it seems to work ok so far

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RyeBrye:

do any current themes in the svn repo use fanart for watch recordings?

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qupada:

RyeBrye: i got a bunch of prepared statement errors from qt-sql and .22 svn source, but that was with qt 4.5.0_rc1, haven't tried it with 4.5.0 final

[07:29:12]

RyeBrye:

so far it seems to be building ok against 4.5.0 final, but it's on my slow machine so it will take it a while

[07:30:52]

qupada:

the problem i had was when mythtv-setup was trying to run a database schema update

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RyeBrye:

ah, I haven't gotten that far

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qupada:

other problem i've had of late is for my dvb-t HDHomerun, had to modify libs/libmythtv/hdhrchannel.cpp because the hdhr is expecting 't8qam64' not 'qam64' for the modulation, couldn't scan for channels until i changed that

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RyeBrye:

hm. I'm using ATSC on my HDHR

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RyeBrye:

the P4 box I have takes forever to compile myth. the q9550 – not so much. (5 or 10 mins – 20 mins in extreme cases)

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qupada:

RyeBrye: we use DVB-T in New Zealand, just got my HDHR this week, from the first shipment imported here. Currently messing with myth on my laptop, is an ultraportable, C2d U7600 (1.2GHz), about 35 minute build time

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RyeBrye:

the p4 is in the hour range

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qupada:

when I can get the motherboard I want, going to build a media centre with a core i7 920, that should be a pleasant experience

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RyeBrye:

that would be great for transcoding

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qupada:

trying to decide on a NAS, have wanted to play with iSCSI for a while now, a diskless media centre would be a great thing for noise and cooling. QNAP TS-639Pro looks like a good contender but it's going to cost as much at the rest of the pc before i even start putting drives in it

[07:59:39]

qupada:

http://dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.20317 one of these and scavenge a 64MB CF card to put /boot on with the iSCSI initiator software in an initramfs then run the rest off the lan

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AndyCap_:

or boot from iscsi with gpxe?

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qupada:

i couldn't decide if that looked worth the effort. couldn't find a lot of documentation on netbooting

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grokky:

Mmmm. Somewhere between trunk 20128 and 20162, exiting playback of a recording or mythvideo hangs on a blank screen for about 40 seconds.

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grokky:

for me at least

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grokky:

nothing unusual in the logs, just mythfrontend eating 100% cpu.

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grokky:

frustrating.

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ivor:

sigh.

[11:22:38]

ivor:

mutter.

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ivor:

...people "voting" for me to update a patch to something. where's the cluebrick today.

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** stuarta lobs a cluebrick to ivor **

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ivor:

ta.

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timeL0RD:

Hi I have a problem with autoexpire not deleting files on a LVM drive

[11:42:14]

timeL0RD:

i have 2 discs in a group. the first non-LVM drive works ok, but the second LVM drive doesn't work

[11:42:36]

timeL0RD:

there is nothing in the log other than :AutoExpire: CalcParams(): Max required Free Space: 10.0 GB w/freq: 15 min

[11:43:11]

timeL0RD:

a df gives /dev/mapper/data-recordings

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timeL0RD:

915407188 869866028 8341128 100% /recordings

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timeL0RD:

any idea where to look?

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** stuarta give timeL0RD 'df -k' and 'df -h' **

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stuarta:

gives

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timeL0RD:

df -k

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timeL0RD:

"/dev/mapper/data-recordings

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timeL0RD:

915407188 869866028 8341128 100% /recordings

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timeL0RD:

/dev/sdb1 721075720 666175316 18271804 98% /recordings2"

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timeL0RD:

df -h:

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timeL0RD:

"/dev/mapper/data-recordings

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timeL0RD:

874G 830G 8.0G 100% /recordings

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stuarta:

you don't need to paste em both

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timeL0RD:

/dev/sdb1 688G 636G 18G 98% /recordings2"

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timeL0RD:

sorry

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stuarta:

so are these both in the same storage group?

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timeL0RD:

yes

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timeL0RD:

i created a file in /recordings2 to bring the free space below 10G and autoexpire freed up space ok. I have done the same on /recordings and nothing happens

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timeL0RD:

i just see the AutoExpire: CalcParams(): Max required Free Space: 10.0 GB w/freq: 15 min every 15 mins in the log

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stuarta:

can you try something for me

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stuarta:

switch the order of the two directories in the recording group

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stuarta:

see if the problem is confined to directories != 1st listed

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timeL0RD:

ok

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stuarta:

s/recording group/storage group/

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timeL0RD:

currently recordings2 is first

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stuarta:

biab, lunch

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timeL0RD:

still doesn't work with the order changed

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stuarta:

stupid question, you did restart the backend and wait 15mins?

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timeL0RD:

yes

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stuarta:

and it's still not cleaned anything from recordings ?

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timeL0RD:

no still showing 8g free

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timeL0RD:

if i leave it the partition fills up and the backend falls over

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bobbob1016:

Is it possble to get MythDVD to detect when I put in a DVD from a TV show? As in notice that all the titles are 24 minutes, and and ask for a generic name, so I don't have to type "TV Show Episode 1" "TV Show Episode 2"? Also, how can I get the transcode to use my multiple cores?

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gbee:

will only expire things as the space is required, so it has to be recording first

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stuarta:

yeah, but 1 of the partitions has less free space than required and it's not doing anything about it

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timeL0RD:

gbee: wasn't the case with the other partition. I created a file to bring the free space below 10G and if freed up sapce.

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gbee:

because there is space on the other partition

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timeL0RD:

i thought it handelled each partition separately

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gbee:

timeL0RD: this is after you've swapped the order of the two?

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gbee:

storage groups are treated as a single entity AFAIK

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timeL0RD:

yes. it didn't make any difference. I can create a file on the other partition to check

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stuarta:

i expect it'll cleanup on the 1st drive

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gbee:

i.e. just as though they were a single disk

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gbee:

I'd suspect a storage group bug, but if you are right and swapping them doesn't make a difference, then the problem is elsewhere

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stuarta:

gbee: this potentially indicates tho, that it'll never clean up space from drives 2..x

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timeL0RD:

the first test i did had 18G free on /recordings and it still freed up space on /recordings2

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stuarta:

if it makes space on the first listed drive this time, its a bug methinks

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stuarta:

timeL0RD: now it's #1 recordings #2 recordings2 ??

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timeL0RD:

yes

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gbee:

since he's saying swapping the order of the drives makes no difference I'm suspecting this is somehow an LVM bug – it's not reporting the correct amount of space

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timeL0RD:

i changed it in backend setup

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gbee:

any particular reason you are using LVM?

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** stuarta wanders off for a bit **

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timeL0RD:

it's historical. It was LVM befor groups were available

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gbee:

hmm, yeah I need to grab lunch

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** JEDIDIAH__ is aware of no ripper that handles tv shows well. Has his own scripts. **

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bobbob1016:

JEDIDIAH__, Was that to me? Any way I could get said scripts? I'm only good at basic scripting, nothing really dealing with files. I have one to SSH to a machine, and one to move downloaded files to where they should go, nothing more than that.

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janneg:

Cougar: yes, it's hanging since it misses shane's email address

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JEDIDIAH__:

to start off with, my ripper script is at my user page (jedidiah) on the wiki.

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** stuarta suggests bobbob1016 not talk about "downloaded files" anymore **

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bobbob1016:

stuarta, Sorry, I meant debs, docs, and pdf's, but I see what you mean. I won't mention anything that could be on the line in any way.

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stuarta:

:)

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bobbob1016:

JEDIDIAH__, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User:Jedidiah right? I read through the script a bit, and it says TV shows are 30 minutes, does that mean approximately, or exactly?

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JEDIDIAH__:

approximately.

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JEDIDIAH__:

also, you can set the "duration" to different lengths.

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JEDIDIAH__:

they are basically 30m, 60m and feature length.

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timeL0RD:

I tried it out again by creating a file on /recordings 2

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timeL0RD:

before autoexpire

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JEDIDIAH__:

the script will spit out a usage message if you just run it.

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timeL0RD:

"/dev/mapper/data-recordings

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timeL0RD:

874G 830G 8.0G 100% /recordings

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timeL0RD:

/dev/sdb1 688G 644G 8.8G 99% /recordings2"

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JEDIDIAH__:

there's a hard coded target path in there that most likely needs tweaked.

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timeL0RD:

After :"/dev/mapper/data-recordings

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timeL0RD:

874G 830G 8.0G 100% /recordings

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timeL0RD:

/dev/sdb1 688G 643G 11G 99% /recordings2"

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bobbob1016:

JEDIDIAH__, I read the usage, it basically asks "TV Show, Film, All?" then asks for a title, and then it rips. If I get the next line, the "min = Expected/2" and "max = Expected*2" that means it'll grab anything from 15 to 60 minutes?

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JEDIDIAH__:

yup 2xbox

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JEDIDIAH__:

yup 2xbob

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JEDIDIAH__:

it's a swag that actually works pretty well in practice

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JEDIDIAH__:

that heuristic basically avoids "play everything" titles and special features and odds and ends on feature films.

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JEDIDIAH__:

typically, the only problems I have would not be fixed by tighter timing.

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JEDIDIAH__:

on some sets, a show will get ripped twice because it has a commentary track and that shows up in the menus (2 menu items for the same title, with different audio tracks)

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bobbob1016:

JEDIDIAH__, Does it do subtitles or no? I'd want to rip with soft subtitles (as in I can turn them on and off), been looking at handbrake to do this too, but it appears it can't yet.

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JEDIDIAH__:

the individual containers/streams get dumped intact.

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JEDIDIAH__:

It's the DVD without all the extra junk (menus, ads and special features)

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JEDIDIAH__:

everything associated with the actual movie is still intact.

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JEDIDIAH__:

So all 20 audio tracks of that james bond flick would still be in there.

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bobbob1016:

JEDIDIAH__, Even if I do the VOB to avi script?

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JEDIDIAH__:

the vob->avi script is going to strip everything out but the default english language track.

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bobbob1016:

MAIN_OPTS="-ovc xvid -oac mp3lame -alang en -slang en" -slang wouldn't be subtitles right?

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JEDIDIAH__:

I am not aware of a good "seamless" vob -> mkv converter that will allow you to compress video and not lose anything else in the original container.

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JEDIDIAH__:

I would not mind such a beast myself.

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gbee:

ffmpeg?

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JEDIDIAH__:

I think -slang doesn't really do anything in that script

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JEDIDIAH__:

plus, it's -aid 128 that ensures that you're getting the right audio track.

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JEDIDIAH__:

those scripts grew organically.

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JEDIDIAH__:

...which reminds me.

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JEDIDIAH__:

anyone know of any good linux tools for avi/vob -> iphone conversions?

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JEDIDIAH__:

the missus insisted on getting one and of course it's not as easy to deal with as the archos.

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JEDIDIAH__:

I managed to create an mp4 file that iTunes accepts but it rejects it for use on the iphone and gives no details.

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bobbob1016:

I was just wondering, since at some points I'd want subtitles if I can't understand something that was said, but not all the time. Handbrake will have that in version .94, but there is no approx date for it. Also there is 5.1 on the dvd, that I'd like to keep, does mp3lame compress the audio? The scripts look like exactly what I need, just wondering about the specifics.

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bobbob1016:

Also, http://www.videora.com/en-us/Converter/iPhone-3G/ from the same people who did PSP video 9, windows program though, I hate posting those, might work with wine

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JEDIDIAH__:

my main convert-x264.sh script shouldn't be mucking about the audio. If that script does, then I need to update it since it's outdated.

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JEDIDIAH__:

what do you think the missus runs to deal with the iphone?

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JEDIDIAH__:

it's the only reason that XP is back on her home machine.

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bobbob1016:

Handbrake might be good for your iphone videos, it has an ipod 5g option.

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JEDIDIAH__:

...I will have to try it out. I love stuff I can automate.

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bobbob1016:

I thought iphone support was ok-ish. Since after the setup, I thought it was just an ipod basically.

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JEDIDIAH__:

It's really hard to beat... cd /home/media/DVD/Street_Justice; convert-archos and coming back a day later and having the whole series converted and put in place.

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bobbob1016:

You could look for a copy of iSquint, although they discontinued it. iSquint is based off of ffmpeg iirc

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JEDIDIAH__:

I thought that they added another layer of encryption for the "touch" ipods that Linux hasn't worked through yet.

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bobbob1016:

JEDIDIAH__, I would have an archos, but I got my ipod 6th gen free (family bday gift) and my touch free (let someone use my student discount, and he gave me the free after rebates ipod)

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bobbob1016:

I just plugged my itouch in, we'll see how it goes.

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JEDIDIAH__:

either way, it's still hard to beat 320G vs. 8G.

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JEDIDIAH__:

'-)

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bobbob1016:

Yeah, but I just use my touch for basic stuff, web browsing when I don't want to sit at my PC. 80gig in my 6th gen is enough for me.

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bobbob1016:

JEDIDIAH__, Seems rhythmbox doesn't see it, trying amarok, one sec

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jarle:

When the backend says "Program #55560 not found in PAT!" the number refers to the chanid?

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gbee:

DVB serviceid

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gbee:

means that that serviceid (channel) is no longer there, it's either moved or closed down

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jarle:

gbee: I had a recording abruptly end about 1 1/2 hour into what was supposed to be a 2 hour recording. I found this in the log, around the time when the recording ended: http://pastebin.ca/1358185 The log did not contain any other errors that could explain the ending of the recording..

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GreyFoxx:

oko: 20–30 seconds is crazy even if looking for covers via nfs over wireless

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jarle:

gbee: I'm trying to browse my db to see if this error is related to the channel in question or if it is just a result from eit crawling on another input?

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gbee:

jarle: SELECT name FROM channel WHERE serviceid='55560';

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jarle:

gbee: seems like the error is a result from eit crawling, the channel in question is not one I was trying to record from, I am a bit worried though if a program not found in PAT while crawling for eit could stop an ongoing recording on another input...

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gbee:

jarle: check system logs, /var/log/messages etc, might have been a driver or drive related error

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jarle:

gbee: the channel in question has actually moved (I can not tune to it now)

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gbee:

I recently had several minutes missing from recordings after a drive's sata started to randomly freeze up

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gbee:

jarle: ouch

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gbee:

they normally make those moves in the middle of the night to avoid disruption

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jarle:

gbee: no errors in /var/log/messages

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gbee:

ok, so it's just that the channel moved, probably to another multiplex or at least to a new serviceid

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jarle:

gbee: I have to figure out a good way to preserve the visible=0 settings for my existing channels before I dare to rescan channels, have I spent a lot of time going through all my channels setting visible=0 for the channels I am unable to tune to...

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jarle:

gbee: the channel that moved was NOT the channel I was recording from, that's what worrying me..

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gbee:

jarle: trunk/fixes preserves visibility

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gbee:

so long as the channel hasn't moved

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jarle:

gbee: if a moved channel might actually interrupt ongoing recordings on channels that are working ok..

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jarle:

gbee: so the preserving of visibility has moved into fixes quite recently?

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_abbenormal:

does myth trunk use the newer s2api v4l drivers now

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mkrufky:

_abbenormal: i think what you mean to ask is: does myth trunk take advantage of the new features provided by linux-dvb api v5

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mkrufky:

...and i didnt look at the code myself, but I seem to recall janneg saying that he did already make that change (but im not sure)

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mkrufky:

regardless, if you're running "s2api" drivers and the application only uses the linux-dvb v3 api, all v3 functionality will still work

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mkrufky:

(but you need to use linux-dvb api v5 to use the s2api functionality)

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_abbenormal:

thanks mkrufky

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_abbenormal:

my older version is having issue with 2.6.28.7 kernel so figured i would ask before i jumped and had more problems

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mkrufky:

ah

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mkrufky:

a new kernel with s2api support should only add new functionality, any old functionality should remain working

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iamlindoro_:

It'll compile with current v4l-dvb, but the S2API functionality patches aren't all committed yet

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_abbenormal:

im redoing it now because of a frame buffer error im having and cannt find any info out as to what may be causing it

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_abbenormal:

hi iamlindoro_

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iamlindoro_:

hi

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janneg:

no DVB-S2 support or other DVB Api V5 changes in trunk yet

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EvilGuru:

janneg: With the DVB-S2 API finally worked out then? (Last I heard people were still bickering over it)

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iamlindoro_:

Was worked out 8 or so months ago IIRC

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EvilGuru:

How time flies...

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wagnerrp:

WTF is this 'autoreply' on the -users list?

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gbee:

people continued to squeal after the decision was made, but that decision was final

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wagnerrp:

and... its in portuguese?

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wagnerrp:

seems it only got sent to me... not the full list

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Dibblah:

Bloody buggering cheap monitors.

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Dibblah:

I have a monitor here that claims 1080 resolution natively through the HDMI port.

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Dibblah:

It's actually 1366x768. It's scaler _sucks_ really really badly.

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Dibblah:

And there's no way to get native res on the display. <sigh>

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RyeBrye:

are there any themes that are using fanart yet?

[17:04:05]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro's personal theme

[17:04:10]

wagnerrp:

not yet released

[17:04:38]

wagnerrp:

he also has a couple line patch for terra, but i wouldnt use it, unless you just want to see how it works

[17:04:56]

wagnerrp:

since it doesnt add anything to properly redraw terra

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meshe:

out of curiosity, has anyone thought about added a "watched" flag to mythvideo?

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iamlindoro_:

it's been proposed and even talked about lately

[17:28:24]

iamlindoro_:

it's just that nobody has *done* it

[17:28:52]

iamlindoro_:

It seems not to matter enough to people actually submitting patches, but matters an awful lot to people who want to talk all about it :)

[17:29:04]

meshe:

hehe

[17:29:05]

iamlindoro_:

(and I'm not including you in that, just talking about list discussions)

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dougl:

where do you configure all the art work and such for you videos?

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meshe:

nice thing about mythvideo is that for a dev environment you don't need any tuners

[17:30:00]

iamlindoro_:

In the Edit metadata screen for each item

[17:30:04]

** meshe might have to set one up **

[17:30:14]

iamlindoro_:

If you're using .21-fixes, Utilties/Setup->Video Manager

[17:30:18]

dougl:

iamlindoro, thanks :)

[17:30:26]

iamlindoro_:

np

[17:31:23]

wagnerrp:

dougl: ideally, the scraper should set up all the artwork and data for you

[17:31:31]

meshe:

does the myth dev team manage a feature request queue? or is it if you want it, submit a patch?

[17:31:37]

iamlindoro_:

meshe: The latter

[17:31:44]

meshe:

ok

[17:32:03]

wagnerrp:

there *is* a feature request page on the wiki

[17:32:14]

iamlindoro_:

It's just largely/totally ignored ;)

[17:32:17]

wagnerrp:

however nearly everyone writing code has their own projects they want to work on

[17:32:35]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: is http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6271 still applicable and/or would it be a good base for creating an "up-to-date" patch for converting MV local info to SG's?

[17:32:38]

meshe:

just wondering since it could be frustrating if 2 people worked on the same feature separately

[17:32:59]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: I haven't looked at that one at all

[17:33:05]

sphery:

meshe: there's a lot of that...

[17:33:14]

iamlindoro_:

meshe: First/best implementation wins

[17:33:20]

iamlindoro_:

but generally first

[17:33:21]

meshe:

cool

[17:33:45]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: looking at it, I bet it's a great start on what we were talking about

[17:33:49]

sphery:

meshe: as a matter of fact someone put in a lot of work on the MythVideo Storage Group change, but then disappeared for a year, so GreyFoxx just did it himself...

[17:34:01]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: The trouble is getting all the corollary functionality working with SGs first

[17:34:16]

meshe:

if i were to work on a feature for mythvideo, would it be best to do it in trunk then backport?

[17:34:27]

wagnerrp:

it would be best to do it in trunk, period

[17:34:29]

iamlindoro_:

If it's a feature, the backport would be solely for yourself

[17:34:39]

iamlindoro_:

as new features don't go into -fixes

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** meshe nods **

[17:34:49]

iamlindoro_:

but yeah, trunk

[17:35:51]

sphery:

meshe: but you can backport it for your local copy, if desired

[17:36:03]

** iamlindoro_ just said that ;) **

[17:36:06]

meshe:

new features don't go into official -fixes :)

[17:36:10]

wagnerrp:

you can even add patches to track

[17:36:35]

sphery:

and going the other way makes no sense now--MythVideo has changed too much from -fixes, so you'd be designing for the wrong MythVideo, so the implementation wouldn't be right for trunk

[17:36:36]

wagnerrp:

but no one with commit access will bother putting it in -fixes

[17:37:01]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: yeah, I see... misunderstood that line

[17:37:42]

meshe:

i think i'll work on that one, it's a feature I'd really like

[17:38:08]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: though there's /much/ about this ticket I disagree with, see http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4623#comment:2

[17:38:29]

iamlindoro_:

My question on the "watched" functionality for mythvideo has always been, since it is ostensibly an archive of things you will keep and watch again and again, what does it matter if it's been watched?

[17:38:30]

sphery:

(That would be the "One other thing" comment

[17:38:39]

iamlindoro_:

Not that I object to the functionality, I just wouldn't use it myself

[17:38:50]

Dibblah:

Or for whomever you share it with. If you want to become unpopular, that's one good route.

[17:38:50]

GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: I completely agree

[17:38:53]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: I think a lot of people like that for finding the new stuff

[17:39:03]

meshe:

we watch about 7–8 different shows that we have ripped off dvd in mythvideo that we are watching at any one time and quite often forget where we are in one of the series

[17:39:07]

GreyFoxx:

That functionality are for download drones

[17:39:08]

sphery:

though, IMHO, some sort of date thing would make more sense

[17:39:29]

iamlindoro_:

Yes, "added" would be okay

[17:39:37]

wagnerrp:

perhaps a 'last watched on' would be more appropriate

[17:39:46]

iamlindoro_:

if only thinking of the UI, ie "Now playing!"

[17:40:00]

meshe:

last watched on would work

[17:40:20]

meshe:

it would be nice to have a flag at the directory listing level

[17:40:25]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: Yeah, that would be hugely helpful

[17:40:49]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: The part on that ticket, that is

[17:40:54]

meshe:

we just buy dvds and rip them all to mythvideo for future video

[17:41:05]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: I'd recommend pulling that part of his patch out (he always mixes too much stuff in one patch) and updating/fixing as required.

[17:41:06]

meshe:

er future viewing

[17:41:11]

wagnerrp:

would changes to the mythvideo tables be considered schema changes?

[17:41:16]

iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp: yes

[17:41:31]

wagnerrp:

database changes to any of the official plugins count?

[17:41:33]

sphery:

wagnerrp: they're /MythVideo/ schema changes

[17:41:39]

iamlindoro_:

yeah, they count, though

[17:41:49]

sphery:

there are multiple schema versions--one per plugin plus mythtv

[17:41:54]

wagnerrp:

ah

[17:42:18]

sphery:

thus the whole, "same rev of everything on all hosts," policy

[17:43:16]

meshe:

that makes a lot of sense for troubleshooting

[17:44:15]

timeL0RD:

hi, I was asking a question earlier about autodelete

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iamlindoro_:

tinyint is 0–127, right?

[17:44:47]

timeL0RD:

i have 2 partitions in a group. autodelete works on one but not the other

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sphery:

stupid typo means the transcode that was supposed to run all night and all morning errored out right after the first pass...

[17:45:54]

timeL0RD:

i have the limit set to 10G. if i create files on both partitions to reduce the free space below 10G then only 1 drive gets files deleted

[17:46:18]

timeL0RD:

the drive that doesn't work is a LVM partition BTW

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timeL0RD:

anybody got any ideas? it's driving me crazy as the backend keeps fallig over because it's full

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blackest_knight:

by eck its busy in ere

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meshe:

timeL0RD: do your backend logs show it trying to delete files from that partition?

[17:47:35]

grazymax:

hi to all

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: -128–127 or 0–255... http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/numeric-types.html

[17:48:05]

timeL0RD:

no all i get is this: AutoExpire: CalcParams(): Max required Free Space: 10.0 GB w/freq: 15 min

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Good enough for season/episode then

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timeL0RD:

it does show when it deletes files from the other partition

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: don't know... what about Dr Who?

[17:48:52]

meshe:

i'd probably go smallint for episode

[17:48:58]

meshe:

unsigned smallint

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sphery:

timeL0RD: is the one that's not getting files deleted local or network mount?

[17:49:20]

timeL0RD:

local LVM

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sphery:

and the user running mythbackend has permissions on the directories?

[17:49:44]

blackest_knight:

ok i'm looking for expert opinion nvidea 128 meg 6200 or ati radeon 9550 256meg which is the better card

[17:49:46]

timeL0RD:

df -h gives "/dev/mapper/data-recordings

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timeL0RD:

874G 830G 8.0G 100% /recordings

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timeL0RD:

/dev/sdb1 688G 643G 11G 99% /recordings2"

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timeL0RD:

yes. it can create files ok

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iamlindoro_:

meshe: It's meant to be a function of season, though, but I guess for something like the news, smallint is probably better (though I think it's a corner case)

[17:50:54]

sphery:

but one byte per video probably isn't the end of the world :)

[17:51:31]

grazymax:

is possible to record encrypted channels with mythtv?

[17:51:35]

sphery:

timeL0RD: did you look at the backend logs to see if it's giving errors (i.e. about no expirable shows or ...)... May also want to run the backend with mythbackend -v important,general,file

[17:51:49]

meshe:

as soon as a show runs over 8+ seasons you'll probably hit that edge case

[17:52:07]

sphery:

grazymax: only by having an external system (like a set-top-box) output them as analog video and then use an analog capture card to record them

[17:52:09]

meshe:

ie The Simpsons, South Park, Mash

[17:52:29]

iamlindoro_:

meshe: episode is a function of season

[17:52:37]

sphery:

grazymax: or, if you happen to live in a country where the hardware is available and legal, you can get a hardware CAM

[17:52:38]

blackest_knight:

grazymax not really allowed to say but a haupage pvr150 would be able to capture

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iamlindoro_:

1x01–24, 2x01–24

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timeL0RD:

no there's nothing after the autoexpire line

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grazymax:

i have tried dvbstream to record the pids

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meshe:

ahh, i see what you mean

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meshe:

sorry

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iamlindoro_:

meshe: but that said, if someone recorded the nightly news it's got to be accounted for, soooo

[17:53:19]

grazymax:

and it works but i would like to use mythvt

[17:53:19]

iamlindoro_:

you are still right

[17:53:19]

meshe:

yeah, unsigned tinyint should be fine

[17:53:33]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro_: i know at least for some cartoons, they dont bother with seasons, and just list hundreds of episodes

[17:53:35]

blackest_knight:

ok guys nvidea or ati 6200 9550 128meg or 256 meg which card gets used

[17:53:48]

iamlindoro_:

yeah, meshe is right IMO, I think unsigned smallint is probably wise

[17:54:00]

** meshe notes you won't get 01 to store in a *int field :) **

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timeL0RD:

i'll try that

[17:54:14]

timeL0RD:

thanks

[17:54:19]

sphery:

meshe: that's all display related, though

[17:54:29]

grazymax:

i would like to record all pids of a channel, a full ts recording with audio, video, teletext, pat, pmt ...

[17:54:30]

iamlindoro_:

meshe: Yeah, I'm adding a setting page for the user to specify their own format choice

[17:54:42]

meshe:

cool

[17:54:43]

wagnerrp:

not likely youre going to find a show with 65k episodes though...

[17:54:44]

iamlindoro_:

so the user can choose 1x01, 2x01, s01e02, etc.

[17:54:48]

blackest_knight:

wheres justin he's always got an opinion

[17:55:19]

blackest_knight:

um coronation st maybe

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meshe:

blackest_knight: not per season though

[17:55:31]

blackest_knight:

some soaps have been running for many decades

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meshe:

or do soap operas have seasons?

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blackest_knight:

um that example runs 52 weeks a year with extra at xmas

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iamlindoro_:

unless they change years to 650000 days, that's still not an issue

[17:57:06]

iamlindoro_:

er 65000

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blackest_knight:

don't think so but even so thats about 250 a year so 25000 episodes would take 100 years

[17:57:45]

sphery:

but it's not whether there are 65K, but whether there are >255

[17:58:20]

blackest_knight:

for soaps yes could be

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iamlindoro_:

So my great great great great great great grandson can fix the 65000 issue

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blackest_knight:

at least 5 nights a week + sunday omnibus edition

[17:59:22]

meshe:

iamlindoro_: haha

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sphery:

yeah, no reason to go beyond unsigned smallint

[17:59:30]

blackest_knight:

talk about parents choosing their sons careers ;)

[17:59:57]

sphery:

E65K issue... (Episode 65K issue...)

[18:00:35]

blackest_knight:

any way will someone bless either ati or nvidea for me :)

[18:00:47]

iamlindoro_:

"Myth Sucks! It can't even address enough episodes to fill a year on pluto!"

[18:00:48]

meshe:

nvidia

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wagnerrp:

bless them?

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blackest_knight:

well i have nvidea 6200 or ati 9550 to put in this machine i'm building

[18:01:30]

wagnerrp:

go with the nvidia

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iamlindoro_:

In domine patri, filio, et santcu spiritu

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blackest_knight:

i just killed one by supply ing 12volts to a usb dvd drive

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iamlindoro_:

er nomine

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blackest_knight:

ok nvidea it is thanks guys

[18:02:14]

sphery:

blackest_knight: nvidia drivers are probably more straightforward now, but ATI drivers will work once you learn them... (I.e. there's a /lot/ more info about using nvidia drivers with Myth.)

[18:02:33]

wagnerrp:

sphery: even on those older cards?

[18:02:42]

sphery:

and, really, with ATI, your best bet is newer hardware (i.e. post AMD hardware)

[18:02:57]

sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, was just typing that...

[18:02:59]

meshe:

i'm running a 6200 in my fe/be and it runs great

[18:03:07]

blackest_knight:

yes well the box i killed was a mythbox and it had the nvidea card

[18:03:08]

wagnerrp:

i mean the 9550 was... 2003?

[18:03:28]

sphery:

wagnerrp: for that one, the FOSS drivers would probably work, but that would be a lot more learning involved

[18:04:11]

meshe:

out of the box with mythbuntu 8.10, but recommended to upgrade to the nvidia.com driver

[18:04:18]

blackest_knight:

the only real diff was 256 meg of ddr v 128 meg ddr2

[18:05:12]

iamlindoro_:

I'm gonna need to write a script to parse out all my episode numbers into the correct fields now...

[18:05:18]

blackest_knight:

but i think the 6200 is probably still better

[18:05:35]

sphery:

clever: feel free to make random comments about crashes and backtraces in here until you actually have a change to propose or an idea of what the bug may be or something... :)

[18:05:51]

clever:

damnit, ir blaster screwed up again

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blackest_knight:

next question how many hdd's to kill a 500 watt psu

[18:06:14]

iamlindoro_:

I don't know what I'd do if I couldn't tune into the dev channel to hear whatever the eff is wrong with clever's computer today

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iamlindoro_:

and I'd just die if it had anything to do with myth development

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sphery:

blackest_knight: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/371460#371460 ...

[18:07:35]

sphery:

blackest_knight: I'm running a system with two 1.5TB HDD's and one 750GB HDD and it's only drawing about 150W

[18:08:17]

clever:

ive got 4 drives in my main system and no brownouts

[18:08:22]

clever:

with the original PSU

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sphery:

Oh, and because I'm hoping they'll eventually ask me to be their spokesmodel, I /highly/ recommend an 80 PLUS PSU...

[18:08:59]

sphery:

(Wwitching to an 80 PLUS is saving me $1.50/mo with rates of $0.10/kWh...)

[18:09:06]

sphery:

Switching

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blackest_knight:

well i've got maybe six to add + a dvd burner

[18:09:51]

blackest_knight:

i read that somewhere ...

[18:10:42]

sphery:

If it's really a 500W PSU, you should be fine (depending on how the rails are set up). If it's a cheap garbage PSU that lists the max peak output (versus sustained), you should probably just replace it with a good 80 PLUS even if it happens to work. :)

[18:11:52]

sphery:

I'm replacing all of mine... Even on systems with mobo/CPU/RAM/one HDD, I'm saving about $0.90/mo... Now, imagine if I had California electricity prices (i.e. $0.31/kWh or so...)

[18:11:58]

blackest_knight:

well see what happens anyway this system is going to be quite loaded

[18:12:23]

blackest_knight:

how much is a psu ?

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wagnerrp:

how large do you want?

[18:13:02]

sphery:

I have bought all my new 80 PLUS ones (all in the 400W range) for $29.99-$39.99

[18:13:18]

nuonguy:

sphery: how loud are they?

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wagnerrp:

thats a bit cheaper than i would have gone...

[18:13:22]

blackest_knight:

well what i mean is if it cost say $36 its going to take over 3 years to pay for itsself in energy savings

[18:14:05]

iamlindoro_:

hmmm, so, MySQL gurus, I'm trying to write a little logic to update videometadata set subtitle = "somevalue" where title like "% – %" and put the bit *after* the " – " as somevalue

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sphery:

the ones I have (Antec EA-430 and EA-430D) are actually pretty quiet... different ones may be loud... Then again, I don't care since I have the systems in the other room...

[18:14:39]

wagnerrp:

antecs for under $40?

[18:14:47]

wagnerrp:

their prices are going down

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blackest_knight:

its funny actually how different two systems can be noise wise in identical cases with identical psu's the one that died was quite load admittedly it'd been 24/7 for a few years with the other booted once a month if that

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blackest_knight:

load loud even

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blackest_knight:

oh well thanks for the advice normal service will be resumed later if i can make it all fit

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meshe:

iamlindoro_: that's going to be a complicated query unless % – % is always the same length

[18:19:56]

iamlindoro_:

meshe: It is, I name my stuff fastidiously

[18:20:03]

meshe:

ok

[18:20:06]

iamlindoro_:

meshe: It's purely for my experimental purposes

[18:20:13]

iamlindoro_:

(to get the values populated quickly)

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: something like: UPDATE videometadata SET subtitle = SUBSTRING(title, INSTR(title, ' – ') + 3) WHERE INSTR(title, ' – ');

[18:21:10]

sphery:

recommend a SELECT to start, though...

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sphery:

SELECT SUBSTRING(title, INSTR(title, ' – ') + 3) FROM videometadata WHERE INSTR(title, ' – ');

[18:21:19]

meshe:

yeah, that's what i was just writing

[18:22:36]

iamlindoro_:

That's perfect, thanks a bunch

[18:22:36]

sphery:

I just wish MySQL's REGEXP were a real regexp implementation with capture and all

[18:23:02]

meshe:

yeah, captures would be great, you could probably pull it off with subqueries

[18:23:07]

sphery:

LOCATE/INSTR/SUBSTRING are /way/ too limiting when you're used to real regexp's

[18:23:10]

sphery:

true...

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iamlindoro_:

It doesn't need to be perfect or committable, it's just to get some values in there for me to test and I always name things in the same way

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sphery:

and you can do some good things with variables (could probably do that above query where INSTR is only executed once), but I always have to look up the syntax on those.

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iamlindoro_:

that said, I've got my seasons, Eps, and subtitles set now, so I have something to work with

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iamlindoro_:

thanks meshe and sphery

[18:29:05]

JEDIDIAH__:

a "watched" flag in mythvideo would allow you to keep track of what you're watching. If you wanted to watch things "in order", knowing what you watched last makes things easier.

[18:29:21]

meshe:

that's my theory on it

[18:30:01]

JEDIDIAH__:

...and if you need enough episodes to keep you busy for that year on Pluto, I've probably got enough in my jukebox to keep you occupied.

[18:33:14]

Josh_Borke:

ugh, i fix one problem and another crops up

[18:33:40]

sphery:

MythTV is a full-time hobby, in case you haven't figured that out, yet.

[18:33:58]

sphery:

It's for people who love the dream of a perfect PVR.

[18:34:36]

Josh_Borke:

yea

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iamlindoro_:

And once you get it working perfect and you learn all the ins and outs... you start writing features

[18:34:52]

iamlindoro_:

and then you are DOOMED

[18:34:54]

JEDIDIAH__:

...it also helps if you know scripting and SQL. Then you can take advantage of a lot of the niftiness that comes from the system being open.

[18:34:55]

sphery:

I've always been more about the dream than the reality, so it's perfect for me.

[18:35:22]

meshe:

lol

[18:35:28]

JEDIDIAH__:

"new features" don't have to be in C++

[18:36:03]

iamlindoro_:

They do if you want them to get committed (grabber/channel changer scripts excluded)

[18:36:03]

clever:

i threw together a php script that tells me i will run out of disk space some time after the 24th

[18:36:13]

clever:

it runs out of guide data before disk space

[18:37:01]

sphery:

Is the autoreply someone is sending out to anyone who sends a message to -users list just a mistake or is that a spammer? "GRACIAS por enviar tu lista de invitados, en la puerta anunciate como Lista Trinity. Te esperamos!"

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[18:39:20]

** JEDIDIAH__ wonders if spamassasin has been assasinating those messages for him **

[18:40:02]

sphery:

you only get them in reply to messages you send...

[18:40:06]

wagnerrp:

is it sending to everyone? or just the person who just posted to the list?

[18:40:10]

sphery:

I.e. they're direct messages, not through the list

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wagnerrp:

i got one earlier todayk

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wagnerrp:

lista@trinitygroup.com.ar

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sphery:

does anyone know enough Spanish to figure out if it's a person who wasn't thinking when they went on vacation or if it's a spammer (as in the second case, we can have the list owner remove the address from the list)

[18:41:14]

sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah

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wagnerrp:

google translate says... 'thank you for submitting your guest list at the door as list advertise trinity'

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wagnerrp:

whatever thats supposed to mean

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wagnerrp:

the web site is some funky flash thing, that i couldnt make heads or tails out of

[18:44:12]

sphery:

hmmm...

[18:44:40]

sphery:

oh well, I'm sure it will get fixed eventually--one way or the other

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AndyCap:

someone signed up one list for another? :P

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RyeBrye:

Hm. The default command that mytharchive is running makes my ffmpeg puke – I think it's related to the "-acodec copy" parameter being passed in. If I change it to "-acodec ac3" the same command runs just fine – anyone else seen this kind of issue?

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RyeBrye:

The error I get with the -acodec copy is "av_interleaved_write_frame(): Error while opening file"

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wagnerrp:

'-acodec copy' should only make something puke if the container does not support the audio format

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wagnerrp:

and anything but copy will cause ffmpeg to transcode it

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RyeBrye:

ffmpeg -threads 4 -v 2 -i "/data/recordings/1111_20090311070000.mpg" -r ntsc -target dvd -b 1526k -s 352x240 -acodec copy -copyts -aspect 4:3 "/data/temp/work/1/newfile2.mpg" is the exact command that was failing

[19:56:39]

RyeBrye:

it appears that the container of the source and the destination should be the same right? both mpg?

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RyeBrye:

oh, I guess I changed the -v 1 to -v 2

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RyeBrye:

but otherwise that is the same command

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** RyeBrye is not an ffmpeg expert **

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RyeBrye:

ok. I lied. The EXACT command from the mythburn.log has the map params at the end: " ffmpeg -threads 4 -v 1 -i "/data/recordings/1111_20090311070000.mpg" -r ntsc -target dvd -b 1526k -s 352x240 -acodec copy -copyts -aspect 4:3 "/data/temp/work/1/newfile2.mpg" -map 0:0 -map 0:1"

[19:59:34]

RyeBrye:

It seems that it's a bug in ffmpeg – since there are a lot of people on the web with that error who say things like "this used to work, but now it doesn't"

[19:59:34]

wagnerrp:

not sure what 'copyts' does

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RyeBrye:

I can try to pluck that out and see what it does

[20:00:27]

RyeBrye:

interesting. that also seems to fix it

[20:00:32]

RyeBrye:

(removing -copyts)

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RyeBrye:

it's humming at 320 fps – when I had the -acodec ac3 on it was going around 280ish

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** RyeBrye goes to try to remove copyts from his mytharchive **

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wagnerrp:

damned trinitygroup

[20:07:06]

wagnerrp:

copyts seems to copy timestamps, although i dont know enough about what that means to understand why that would be a problem

[20:07:41]

RyeBrye:

perhaps the timestamps are screwed up in my atsc recording?

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wagnerrp:

i have no idea what the time stamps would be for

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wagnerrp:

i dont see a purpose to a timestamp unless the stream has a variable framerate

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RyeBrye:

They are easy enough to remove – they are all in the encorder_profiles.xml file – paulh commited them back in rev 10191 and all the dvd profiles have the setting of "-copyts" in it

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RyeBrye:

It's interesting to me that they also all have -acodec ac3 – I guess somewhere else in mythburn it checks if the source audio is ac3 and changes that to -acodec copy if it is

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RyeBrye:

Hm. It's also interesting that only the high quality one uses 2 passes – would using 2 passes on one of the crappier settings have any noticeable improvement in the output? It would seem to me that doing multiple passes when you are really squashing down the bitrate would help more than when the bitrate is set super high

[20:13:29]

wagnerrp:

2 passes almost always makes a noticeable improvement

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[20:13:52]

iamlindoro_:

Most people consider low quality to be "fastest"

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wagnerrp:

the only time it doesnt is when the bitrate is set so high already as to be nearly lossless

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GreyFoxx:

man it kinda sucks that all of the us TV station websites wont let non US IP's watch the shows they put up *sigh*

[20:14:33]

wagnerrp:

GreyFoxx: proxies not fast enough for you?

[20:14:35]

iamlindoro_:

ie most people don't want to spend the time needed for two passes for their low quality profile-- because then it becomes high quality at low size

[20:14:41]

RyeBrye:

GreyFoxx: If you need a US IP to test some stuff I have a VPS you can tunnel with

[20:14:47]

gbee:

sucks, but it's understandable

[20:14:49]

GreyFoxx:

wagnerrp: most of the ones I've tried have been spotty at best

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wagnerrp:

ive used TOR to access webpages, but i wouldnt trust trying to push streaming video through it

[20:15:33]

GreyFoxx:

gbee: I can understand from a "Don't let countries at it who haven't aired it yet" perspective

[20:15:50]

GreyFoxx:

but here in Canada we get the content at the exact same time (if not a day bnefore) as the us

[20:15:52]

RyeBrye:

It's probably got roots in some distribution agreement thing

[20:16:23]

wagnerrp:

yeah, different networks have the broadcast rights to the content in different countries

[20:16:27]

RyeBrye:

i.e. the sell the rights for outside the US to someone else

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wagnerrp:

so even though some company over here produced the content over here, theyre not authorized to distribute oversees

[20:16:52]

RyeBrye:

the antiquated business model is probably part of the problem

[20:17:06]

meshe:

probably?

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GreyFoxx:

I should look into the various open proxies again

[20:17:29]

RyeBrye:

Are any more passes than 2 just considered the point of diminishing returns?

[20:17:30]

meshe:

to get to hulu i had to vpn to my vps in the states

[20:17:31]

GreyFoxx:

let alone this hulu stuff. I'd like to at least look at it :)

[20:17:38]

meshe:

proxy wouldn't work at all

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GreyFoxx:

RyeBrye: I wouldn't want to abuse your connection or cost you money :)

[20:18:41]

RyeBrye:

GreyFoxx: dpesm

[20:19:03]

GreyFoxx:

I have no idea what that means :)

[20:19:25]

gbee:

it is don to distribution the US owners have sold those rights, they don't have permission to broadcast it outside the US and even though it might already have been shown in Canada, to allow it to be watch there undermines the business of the networks who bought the rights – they lose money on repeats or their own web service

[20:19:28]

RyeBrye:

the vps doesn't get used much – and their bandwidth tracker was really dumb last time I checked (i.e. it only logged bandwidth that went through apache – but nothing that I scp'ed in or out – or nothing I had coming through tomcat)

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GreyFoxx:

RyeBrye: Nice

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GreyFoxx:

gbee: Well in the Canadian case, we actually get the us broadcast fox, abc, cbs and so on directly

[20:22:21]

GreyFoxx:

but population wise we probably don't exist on their radar ;)

[20:22:27]

gbee:

truth is, were it an open thing, where anyone could download from Hulu etc it would destroy the model entirely and I'm not sure that is a good thing, it would result in traditional TV channels disappearing because they cannot make a return from the material, that would mean less cash returns to the production companies etc

[20:23:01]

iamlindoro_:

Grr, wonder why I can't get this spinbox to work-- I'm totally stealing from legit sources!

[20:23:10]

GreyFoxx:

With the whole pirating of TV as it is now I'm just waiting for all of that to come crashing down soon

[20:23:10]

iamlindoro_:

legit examples, that is to say

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wagnerrp:

why watch it on tv 6mo down the line, when you can download it now...?

[20:24:33]

gbee:

because there won't be a second season if no-one watches it on the TV :)

[20:25:21]

wagnerrp:

well what about something like pushing daisies where the germans have seen the end of the series, and ABC has no intention of ever airing it

[20:25:25]

GreyFoxx:

hmmm, time to head home and joy oh joy it's snowing and that means idiots on the road :)

[20:25:25]

gbee:

Simplified argument, but at the end of the day that's what it boils down to

[20:25:48]

wagnerrp:

maybe in the mid-summer break, when they have nothing else to so

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iamlindoro_:

Mmkay, got Mythvideo using subtitle, season, and episode values, and the PBB->MV export patch querying the last and augmenting episode by one in a default export, as well as a new "Export (new season)" sub option to increment season.

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iamlindoro_:

the new getLastSeason and getLastEpisode functions should help when hooking a coverart/fanart/banner grabber up to the PBB, too

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sphery:

Finally!!!

[20:42:15]

sphery:

just figured out how to reproduce the bug (and, found the /real/ bug) in Qt4.5

[20:42:28]

RyeBrye:

oh – the one related to db stuff?

[20:42:35]

sphery:

No to make a proper patch and then upload. Then to find out if Myth wants (an ugly) workaround.

[20:42:52]

sphery:

Yeah. It turns out that it's more insidious than I first thought.

[20:43:10]

sphery:

Had to read /way/ too much QMYSQLResult and QMYSQLDriver code to figure it out completely.

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iamlindoro_:

gbee: I know this is likely very basic-- is there a way to read a MythUISpinBox value out into an unsigned int?

[20:45:29]

qupada:

RyeBrye: is this the bug i was discussing with you ~12 hours ago, about prepared statement errors?

[20:45:37]

RyeBrye:

qupada: I think so

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iamlindoro_:

gbee: I tried GetValue but that appears to give a QString

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sphery:

qupada: yep

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sphery:

I'll have a patch for you in a bit. Or, you can just downgrade to Qt 4.4.x.

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sphery:

qupada: You're the guy running F11, right?

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qupada:

sphery: i downgraded to qt4.4, you might have me confused with someone else though

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RyeBrye:

Jaunty alpha also has Qt 4.5.0 in it now

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sphery:

qupada: oh... you're not the Gentoo guy on the e-mail list I was talking to, were you?

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qupada:

sphery: close but no cigar. yes gentoo, but haven't used the mailing list

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wagnerrp:

video card fan just gave out...

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sphery:

Oh, yeah... The Fedora guy was several days ago (and I told him Jarod was working on it, then he posted a but to rpmfusion, so Jarod asked me about it, and--since it was the 4th time I had discussed something I didn't understand--I just decided it would be easier to just figure it out...

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I had that happen to me on an ATI Radeon 9800... Got a replacement fan that's significantly quieter, but it was about $13--more than the value of the card itself, at the time.

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qupada:

sphery: glad to know the issue is getting resolved though. of course i have a new dvb-t hdhomerun so i have bigger issues right now. undoubtedly ones i've caused myself, but i don't have nearly as much time to debug them right now as i'd like

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sphery:

qupada: so, once you downgraded to Qt4.4.x, it worked fine, right?

[20:53:42]

qupada:

sphery: yeah, no problems at all with 4.4.2, both 0.21-fixes and 0.22 trunk work

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sphery:

Cool...

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sphery:

(though I'm assuming you mean 0.21-fixes works fine with 3.x ;)

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qupada:

yeah, that's the one. forgot that

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sphery:

Heh, yeah, I was just being pedantic.

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justinh:

well, that's the end of that chapter. no variable width buttons in mythuibuttonlist from this terminal. anykey_ how did you get on?

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qupada:

fortunately since i'm not a fan of kde4, messing with qt-4 versions doesn't cause me too many headaches, only have a handful of qt-4 apps

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justinh:

does kde4 have any fans? :P

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qupada:

that's one of my biggest reasons for running gentoo, has one of the easiest package managers for obsessive-compulsive control of which apps aren't allowed to be installed on your system – keeping kde 3 and not letting 4 be installed is easy

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RyeBrye:

I like kde 4

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RyeBrye:

more than gnome at least

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SlicerDicer:

GreyFoxx: what version VPDAU did you test driver?

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SlicerDicer:

yeah thats horrible grammar ;-)

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Dagmar:

I AR HASIN TESTES!

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Dagmar:

It can always be worse.

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wagnerrp:

you have balls?

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Dagmar:

Great big ones, but that's beside the point;

[21:00:33]

shadash:

Ich testes gehabt?

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justinh:

beeg cojones?

[21:00:52]

shadash:

grossen

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iamlindoro_:

shadash: Past tense? I'm sorry to hear that

[21:01:35]

shadash:

;-)

[21:01:46]

iamlindoro_:

Horible farm accident, no doubt

[21:01:59]

AndyCap:

shadash: this is your lucky day. You can buy neuticles

[21:02:13]

shadash:

got caught in tape library

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wagnerrp:

where my sister works, the chef got fired several months ago

[21:02:27]

wagnerrp:

his parting act was to order a couple boxes of rocky mountain oysters

[21:03:02]

AndyCap:

wagnerrp: which are?

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wagnerrp:

balls

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Dagmar:

Deer testicles

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AndyCap:

:)

[21:03:14]

wagnerrp:

bulls, specifically...

[21:03:16]

Dagmar:

People eat them in the south

[21:03:17]

shadash:

bull

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shadash:

and in Denver

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shadash:

typically they're cut up battered and fried

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Dagmar:

...and horrifying.

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AndyCap:

I think you can buy Ram Balls here

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shadash:

depends on how hungry you are

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Dagmar:

There's other parts of the bull you can eat.

[21:04:24]

Dagmar:

I hear some people make these things called "steaks"

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** J-e-f-f-A|work thinks he brought up is NX session at a very odd time... Doh! **

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justinh:

so nice to see the channel hasn't changed any

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wagnerrp:

we need a ram balls styled theme!

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AndyCap:

O_o

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Dagmar:

It would mainly be grey and watery lookin

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Dagmar:

I've seen people eat the things at diners.

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shadash:

<--- never had it just seen what they look like

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AndyCap:

Ah, here we go http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_LkVIrWqWlvw/RZq0SYf . . . /s400/baller

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wagnerrp:

those are fairly massive

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AndyCap:

huge balls

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Dagmar:

I got stuck in a field with a bull for about three hours once because I wasn't interested in checking out a bull's package

[21:07:55]

Dagmar:

I don't think I'll look now, either.

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wagnerrp:

someone wouldnt let you out of the field until you felt it up or something?

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AndyCap:

unlike that lionkeeper who's been making the rounds now

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Dagmar:

Some redneck ran me off the road, car cleared a fence into a paddock, and I wasn't getting out of the car to open the gate while they bull was hanging around.

[21:09:02]

wagnerrp:

thats quite a bit of air

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Dagmar:

The farmer who eventually trundled by on his tractor thought it was hilarious that I'd been trapped by a gelded bull.

[21:09:24]

wagnerrp:

your car was even able to leave the paddock under its own power?

[21:09:30]

Dagmar:

wagnerrp: The road had been built up there a bit,

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shadash:

In college I lived in a frat and one guy came to meetings with a togo box full of fried "meat". He ate a couple of peices and passed it around. After about 10 people ate a peice someone asked what kind of "meat" they were eating. The guy said it was Oyster... Rocky Mountain Oysters!

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Soft ground. I left a good divot in the dirt where it hit tho

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shadash:

that made the meeting fun

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AndyCap:

shadash: it should say "Warning OYSTER!"

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wagnerrp:

which is why you should never eat anything out of a box labeled 'meat'

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AndyCap:

be it surf or turf

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shadash:

I thought it was a pretty creative way to annoy people

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: I still remember coming to a stop, counting my various bits and pieces to make sure they were all there, and then hearing a snuffling at the window

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Dagmar:

. o O (OMG HORNS)

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wagnerrp:

shadash: its like the stink palm

[21:11:28]

wagnerrp:

in order to pull it off, you still have to stick your hand up your ass

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Dagmar:

farmer: "Hahaha! Didn't you check 'is <some word I don't remember and didn't recognize>?"

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shadash:

yea I've heard it's also a good way to check for cancer

[21:12:04]

AndyCap:

Dagmar: this is how you do it http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_JeFvJtXhBaw/SZsJTZG . . . _735241a.jpg

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AndyCap:

now cough.

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Dagmar:

THAT is a BRAVE man

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shadash:

that's awesome

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AndyCap:

well, it's a fine line between that and insanity

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AndyCap:

I guess its Alex Larenty's 15 minutes of fame

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wagnerrp:

well... he really does have the lion by the balls

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: I'm not sure he'd be able to hang on to them if the lion deciced it didn't like it

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AndyCap:

Seems they're on very friendly terms http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/art . . . e--LION.html

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justinh:

oh bugger. This 3d nonsense has to stop. NOW! http://tinyurl.com/djky4p

[21:18:39]

wagnerrp:

there should be NO 3dtv unless the two views are done on two different streams

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justinh:

there should be no 3dtv

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wagnerrp:

and leave it up to the TV what to do with them

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sphery:

I agree about 2 screens... Definitely no active glasses approach.

[21:19:19]

justinh:

there's too much wasted bandwidth as it is

[21:19:26]

wagnerrp:

be it (shudder) anaglyphs, or multiple polarizations, or active glasses, or what

[21:19:28]

sphery:

And anaglyphs give me a headache

[21:19:40]

wagnerrp:

anaglyphs are absolutely worthless

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justinh:

since colour TV was invented, sure they are :)

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iamlindoro_:

The Chuck 3D episode was repulsive

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sphery:

yeah... I had to take a TV break after watching Chuck 3D... 40 minutes is too much time for anaglyphs. The MvA commercials was about the right length for anaglyphs (60 seconds).

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wagnerrp:

put on your 3D glasses... WTF was i supposed to get these glasess

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AndyCap:

the tv guide. :P

[21:20:56]

AndyCap:

I dunno.

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justinh:

wagnerrp: stuck to the front of your TV Guide

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sphery:

they were at supermarkets here in the US

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wagnerrp:

who gets tvguide....

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wagnerrp:

my newspaper comes with a guide

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wagnerrp:

digital cable provides an on-screen guide

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justinh:

free 3d glasses with every SD subscription! :D

[21:21:37]

wagnerrp:

i have a 'tv guide channel' that tells me whats on tv

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sphery:

and, since Intel chose to use Blue/Yellow anaglyphs instead of the immensely more popular Red/Cyan anaglyphs, you couldn't just reuse old ones

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sphery:

(Unless, of course, you kept yours from Amityville 3D in 1987(ish?))

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AndyCap:

justinh: just download and print them out? :P

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sphery:

Probably more like 81...

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AndyCap:

think I got some red/blue, red/green and yellow blue glasses.

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AndyCap:

hmm, maybe I should see if fly8 still compiles today

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Dagmar:

Well, the blue-yellow ones leave the image still tolerable for people not wearing the glasses

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Dagmar:

...and they *still* suck

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qupada:

sphery: that was some bizarre 3d on that episode. agreed with Dagmar though, it wasn't unwatchable

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AndyCap:

Dagmar: the tests during the 94 olympics used those, but it'd didn't give any good 3d.

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qupada:

hopefully the Chuck S2 dvd comes with that episode sans 3d

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AndyCap:

last time I saw 3d on the tv I think

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Dagmar:

It should, since you were able to watch it online without the glasses

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AndyCap:

Haha, SIRDS tv!

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Dagmar:

Pretty much all color anaglyph 3D effects look awful

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AndyCap:

no glasses required. :)

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sphery:

qupada: I would hope for both--episode without 3D and an extra with 3D.

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justinh:

they should just can the gimmicks

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AndyCap:

yeah, lets get back to serious B/W television

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qupada:

Dagmar: yeah, my torrent site didn't offer that ;). we're 11 episodes behind the US screenings on NZ TV, downloading is just easier

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justinh:

colour doesn't make stuff watchable any more than 3d does

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justinh:

look at most of the stuff on the tellybox these days. would it matter if it was 64x32 blockovision with no sound? heh

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AndyCap:

Anyhow. it could be worse http://78.46.64.79/amk-debate.avi

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justinh:

once again I seem to have a knack for killing chatter. meh

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sphery:

heh, it seems Qt's/Nokia's bug tracker won't open a bug report until it's "approved"...

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gbee:

damn that's annoying, yet another album which I'd hadn't finished downloading has disappeared, I'm cursed

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AndyCap:

who puts albums in the memory hole?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ugh... just saw Comcast's idea of Discovery HD at the pizza shop... nice & clear on low motion scenes, but high-motion was pixelated like crazy... they must transcode it to a much lower bitrate... ugly...

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