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| [00:41:29] | Scunizi: | Hunting and searching for hardware to run MythTV on.. I've found http://tinyurl.com/bvteb2 an itx mini Zotac board. I'd like to run myth off of ubuntu on this board if possible.. just curious if anyone here has ubuntu experience with any of the Zotac boards. |
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| [00:45:16] | tank-man: | best bet would be to look at the components on the board, and see if they work |
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| [00:47:15] | Scunizi: | yea.. It's a gforce 9300 chipset board and video. built in hdmi, dvi and vga.. my experience with the 8200 chipset board has been ok.. with a few quirks |
| [00:47:32] | Scunizi: | but that board was ATX |
| [00:48:23] | wagnerrp: | what difference would that make? |
| [00:48:49] | Scunizi: | none probably.. just case size.. |
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| [01:14:13] | wagnerrp: | awesome! terminator is failing to record because my cableco has changed their program tables |
| [01:14:41] | wagnerrp: | i should really just get an antenna |
| [01:15:32] | kshots: | lol – they pulled that one on me a month ago |
| [01:15:34] | cesman: | Scunizi: you need to decide what you are going to do w/ the board and how you are going to run mythtv. |
| [01:16:03] | cesman: | Scunizi: do you intend to just run a frontend w/ that board? Do you intend to have USB tuners if running a backend as well? |
| [01:16:06] | kshots: | course, I didn't notice cause I was out of town... so myth happily made a bunch of 0-byte recordings |
| [01:16:52] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if i could grab the channel scanner and use it outside of mythtv-setup |
| [01:17:01] | wagnerrp: | give it command line access |
| [01:17:12] | wagnerrp: | so you could just dump a scan into cron |
| [01:17:19] | kshots: | Heck... I'm not sure why mythtv-setup needs X to begin with |
| [01:17:42] | wagnerrp: | how else would you do it, reprogram it into mythweb? |
| [01:17:50] | kshots: | ncurses |
| [01:18:06] | kshots: | something that can be run straight out of an ssh session |
| [01:18:43] | kshots: | mythweb would also work... |
| [01:19:03] | Huijari: | imo gui is fine, but having to run it on the backend machine sucks |
| [01:19:07] | kshots: | I just remember having a hell of a time getting mythtv set up on a headless machine |
| [01:19:32] | Scunizi: | cesman: just learing about myth now.. so I won't have usb tuners but will probably have a networked tuner so will myth be running front end (yes).. back end (if that's the tuner section yes) |
| [01:19:41] | Huijari: | i have three frontends with X, but i have to keep X on my backend too, just because of mythtv-setup |
| [01:19:46] | GreyFoxx: | kshots: Running on a headless box is simple |
| [01:19:51] | kshots: | remote-x wouldn't run at the time due to a bug in openssh (still open, btw, but if you explicitly disable ipv6, it works fine) |
| [01:19:58] | GreyFoxx: | use either X forwarding or just x11vnc and vnc to the box |
| [01:20:49] | kshots: | had to do the latter... don't remember what problems I ran into there, but again it wasn't as straight-forward setting up vnc on that machine as it was on any machine with a head |
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| [01:21:07] | wagnerrp: | Huijari: why do you have to install X? |
| [01:21:22] | kshots: | That's the other thing |
| [01:21:26] | kshots: | probably qt, though |
| [01:21:34] | wagnerrp: | all you need is the runtime libraries, you dont need the full server |
| [01:21:50] | wagnerrp: | kshots: mythfrontend/backend/tv-setup use the QT environment |
| [01:21:59] | wagnerrp: | theres a lot more to it that just a graphical interface |
| [01:22:02] | kshots: | yes, so you'd have to have x |
| [01:22:14] | kshots: | unless you use qt-embedded |
| [01:22:28] | kshots: | I'm well aware of that, I've written several Qt apps |
| [01:23:05] | wagnerrp: | its still not recording... |
| [01:23:14] | kshots: | after a full channel scan? |
| [01:23:23] | wagnerrp: | minimal updates |
| [01:23:34] | kshots: | hmm... glad mine is... that would piss me off |
| [01:23:39] | wagnerrp: | did i not pick up fox? |
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| [01:24:24] | wagnerrp: | theres CBS, a second copy of NBC...? |
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| [01:25:03] | wagnerrp: | no... i see no fox... |
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| [01:28:59] | Sparkss: | What is the power options for mythtv? In other words powermode options can i but the PC in while it is not recording or in use, ie Hibernate suspend? |
| [01:29:17] | wagnerrp: | you can suspend or power down the machine |
| [01:29:27] | wagnerrp: | and either use WOL or the system timer to boot the machine back up |
| [01:30:03] | Sparkss: | so i can shut down, and if the machine needs to record it will automatically boot back up? |
| [01:30:13] | wagnerrp: | if you set it up properly, yes |
| [01:30:26] | tank-man: | if |
| [01:30:53] | wagnerrp: | two copies of NBC, and no FOX... WTF? |
| [01:32:37] | wagnerrp: | i think ill move my HDHR upstairs, and see what kind of signal i can get |
| [01:33:35] | Sparkss: | Hows the Hi-Def playing support ie Blueray, from what i could gather from the myth wiki, it rips the movie to the disk drive and then allows playback? |
| [01:34:21] | wagnerrp: | Sparkss: blu-ray playback support in linux is non-existant |
| [01:34:53] | wagnerrp: | you can rip the content to disk, and then decrypt it in windows using anydvd hd, and then play it back using mythtv |
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| [01:36:06] | wagnerrp: | now HDDVD (and the rare AACS BR disk) can be decrypted using linux tools, but it still must be pulled to the hard disk and decrypted before playback |
| [01:36:30] | wagnerrp: | there is a OSS tool to decrypt BD+, but last i heard, it was not very capable |
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| [01:36:42] | Sparkss: | so if I put a blu-ray drive, i'm best off running on windows then? Is mythtv for windows(32 or 64) any good? |
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| [01:37:32] | Sparkss: | so if I put a blu-ray drive, i'm best off running on windows then? Is mythtv for windows(32 or 64) any good? |
| [01:38:01] | wagnerrp: | mythfrontend for windows is buggy and unstable at best |
| [01:38:14] | wagnerrp: | not to mention a PITA to even get compiled and running |
| [01:38:36] | wagnerrp: | you can run anydvd from within vmware |
| [01:39:02] | Sparkss: | what about with WINE? |
| [01:39:13] | wagnerrp: | no good |
| [01:39:34] | wagnerrp: | no chance of making it work either, due to the way anydvd functions |
| [01:39:43] | wagnerrp: | it needs real windows |
| [01:41:42] | Sparkss: | is it possible to do playback of the blu-ray through vmware running windows, I really don't want to have to rip, and then decrypt a movie every time i wish to watch one. |
| [01:43:07] | wagnerrp: | not a chance, you would have to do software decode of the video, and theres no way youre going to get that much power out of a virtual machine |
| [01:43:34] | Sparkss: | didn't think so |
| [01:44:11] | wagnerrp: | the only real use for bluray at the moment is if you intend to rip and store the files |
| [01:44:16] | wagnerrp: | otherwise, just get a bluray player |
| [01:46:04] | Sparkss: | well, my goal is to incorporate it into the box, I can get a blu-ray drive for pc for 90ish US, the closest blue ray I found was 170 -180 |
| [01:47:50] | Sparkss: | My thinking was why spend twice the money if I can put on in a MythTV box |
| [01:48:21] | wagnerrp: | why bother with disks, when you can just store it on a hard drive in your basement? |
| [01:49:30] | Sparkss: | How large of a file are we talking per disk 10 GB? |
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| [01:49:49] | wagnerrp: | closer to 25GB |
| [01:50:17] | wagnerrp: | double layer disks can hold 50, but a lot of that ends up unused, or used for bonus crap |
| [01:50:26] | wagnerrp: | so the average movie will be 20–25GB |
| [01:50:59] | wagnerrp: | so figure for the cost of that $180 standalone player, you could get a PC drive, and storage for some 40 movies |
| [01:52:35] | Sparkss: | This is true, so you would prolly recommend a 2 disk drive box one for recording tv shows and one for blu-ray storage |
| [01:52:57] | wagnerrp: | i dont know about that... |
| [01:53:11] | wagnerrp: | personally, i have a... 14 drive box |
| [01:53:22] | wagnerrp: | and there are others with larger systems |
| [01:54:30] | wagnerrp: | 3x300GB independent drives for recording (off 5 tuners), and some 4.5TB of RAID6 for archive and dvd rips |
| [01:54:53] | Sparkss: | Well, I'm looking at a single box to put under the TV, and my goal is for it to blend in with any other equipment, IE surrond sound system. |
| [01:55:17] | Sparkss: | I don't want a full size tower to hide some where near my entertainment center |
| [01:55:34] | wagnerrp: | i have a friend with a HTPC case with storage for 6 3.5" drives |
| [01:55:42] | wagnerrp: | of course that would tend to get fairly noisy |
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| [01:56:19] | wagnerrp: | basically, recordings should be on independent drives (no spanning, no raid) |
| [01:56:32] | wagnerrp: | and ideally, you would have as many hard drives as tuners |
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| [01:57:20] | wagnerrp: | now thats obviously not necessary, but when you start stacking multiple 2MB/s HD streams on one hard drive, its throughput becomes far less than the linear 60MB/s+ speeds |
| [01:57:40] | wagnerrp: | and multiple recordings to one drive results in fragmentation |
| [01:58:01] | Sparkss: | What about on a complete different system? then access them via a network, either transfer them to the myth box or stream them |
| [01:58:25] | wagnerrp: | now for DVD/BR storage, figure out how many disks you want to store, then decide whether or not you would want to ever have to re-rip those disks |
| [01:58:44] | wagnerrp: | my backend does not actually have any local hard drives |
| [01:59:08] | wagnerrp: | all storage is kept in a separate file server |
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| [01:59:35] | wagnerrp: | now when you do that, you have to worry about network throughput, NFS performance, etc... |
| [02:00:02] | wagnerrp: | but nothing you would be doing with mythtv should strain a gigabit network |
| [02:00:10] | wagnerrp: | and gigabit equipment is fairly cheap these days |
| [02:00:34] | wagnerrp: | even 10/100 should be sufficient for nearly everything you might do on myth |
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| [02:00:53] | Sparkss: | alright, I figured a wired gigabit network |
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| [02:01:28] | Sparkss: | Man, a lot of work just to what I thought would make a nice all in One system |
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| [02:02:24] | wagnerrp: | it is VERY HARD to make a nice all-in-one system that exists in the same room as your tv |
| [02:02:51] | wagnerrp: | you have a fair bit of hardware that you have to put in a cramped space, while cooling quietly |
| [02:03:00] | wagnerrp: | even for a basic mythtv setup |
| [02:03:59] | wagnerrp: | usually anything beyond a basic setup involves putting the machine on the opposite side of a wall, or putting a backend machine elsewhere in the house, and a small frontend by the tv |
| [02:04:45] | Sparkss: | Well I wanted to do is recorded TV, watch Blu-ray movies, and capable of playing sports games, ie, tiger 08, madden 08 etc, via wine of course |
| [02:05:08] | Sparkss: | all from the comfort of my couch |
| [02:05:18] | wagnerrp: | well games are going to be very difficult to pull off well |
| [02:05:36] | wagnerrp: | youre going to need a relatively powerful graphics card, which typically means loud |
| [02:07:00] | Sparkss: | I'm not looking for highest quality, I have a desktop that will do that, I was just looking for something compable to an xbox-360 |
| [02:07:18] | Sparkss: | just something several user could sit a play a round of golf |
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| [02:09:07] | Sparkss: | I though just build a cheap box and maybe get a ps3, but I already on most of the games i would play on the tv anyways |
| [02:09:34] | wagnerrp: | you might want to check the winedb to see if those games can be run well under wine |
| [02:09:49] | wagnerrp: | or, look into cedega |
| [02:10:20] | Sparkss: | cedega? |
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| [02:17:49] | Sparkss: | Well, thanks for all your help, wagnerrp, going go and re-think this All-in-One box |
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| [02:19:57] | iamlindoro: | "<Sparkss> I'm not looking for highest quality, I have a desktop that will do that, I was just looking for something compable to an xbox-360" |
| [02:20:20] | iamlindoro: | He either has a low opinion of the 360 or a very high opinion of his PC games |
| [02:20:46] | iamlindoro: | With gaming in Linux I'd be thrilled for *original* x-box levels |
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| [02:22:39] | ** justinh laughs uproariously at the thought of multiple users playing golf in somebody's lounge ** | |
| [02:22:41] | iamlindoro: | justinh is drunk |
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| [02:22:58] | iamlindoro: | damn in, I hoped to get that remark in befor he said anything |
| [02:23:20] | wagnerrp: | what about before he left? |
| [02:23:32] | iamlindoro: | Wherever you are reading the logs at 3 AM on a friday night/saturday morning, my friend, you are drunk! |
| [02:23:39] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, That would have helped too |
| [02:24:56] | wagnerrp: | well i just figured out why one of these antenna was no longer working |
| [02:25:15] | wagnerrp: | one of the wires is only held into the crimp by the rubber casing |
| [02:25:33] | wagnerrp: | lack of connection seems to be detrimental to signal quality |
| [02:26:15] | iamlindoro: | Heh, newegg seems to have figured out that I'm a business after buying > 1 Million dollars in stuff from them over the past year |
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| [02:43:58] | wagnerrp: | do they do anything differently as a result? |
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| [02:45:53] | LanUser: | Hello – I switched to tmdb.pl and although it works from the command line, it doesn't seem to work from mythfrontend, it just hangs on "retrieving data looking for..." any ideas? |
| [02:45:55] | iamlindoro: | They sent me a questionnaire about the Business to Business website they're building. Heh. |
| [02:46:45] | iamlindoro: | Besides the usual idea that you read your logs and if necessary go to a higher verbosity? |
| [02:48:28] | LanUser: | iamlindoro: I'll do those unless there's anything you can think of that could trip the frontend up, it's running as the same user that can launch it from the command line |
| [02:48:45] | iamlindoro: | You'll need to look at the logs, it should "just work" |
| [02:50:05] | iamlindoro: | I would be remiss if I didn't tease you about not looking at the logs before coming in here, though, that was a little silly ;) |
| [02:50:32] | iamlindoro: | Lord, where does SciFi find these movies it plays |
| [02:54:01] | LanUser: | would this line really cause the script to fail? "LircClient warning: attempt to convert 'enter' to a key sequence failed. Fix your key mappings." |
| [02:55:00] | iamlindoro: | No idea, sounds weird to me |
| [02:55:02] | LanUser: | otherwise there's not much here http://pastebin.ca/1354969 but maybe I need to turn the verbosity up to 11 |
| [02:58:24] | LanUser: | sorry to be a pain, but here it is with full verbosity, can you glean anything else from this? I'm not seeing anything. It's odd too, the process seems to hange the front end up completely and I can only recover by restarting gdm |
| [02:58:28] | LanUser: | http://pastebin.ca/1354970 |
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| [02:59:03] | iamlindoro: | the lircclient error message gives a google result with the same symptoms in a different spot |
| [02:59:15] | iamlindoro: | so it sort of sounds like you're running into a bug unrelated to the script |
| [02:59:25] | iamlindoro: | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=905253 |
| [02:59:33] | LanUser: | thanks |
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| [02:59:53] | iamlindoro: | Trying to think of what would cause something like this |
| [03:00:02] | iamlindoro: | You're using the keyboard in mythvideo, yeah? |
| [03:00:31] | LanUser: | no, just what I thought was the enter button on my remote |
| [03:00:48] | iamlindoro: | Just for fun, use the keyboard once |
| [03:01:30] | LanUser: | will the remote.binary suffice you think? the keyboard is one floor below me in a scary basement ;) |
| [03:01:56] | iamlindoro: | no idea |
| [03:02:07] | xanderp: | I need help troubleshooting a new issue that just happened. I have not done any updates to my system for a while, so I know that I haven't 'broken' anything with an update. All of my schedules programs have dissappeared, and the system refuses to let me save any new recording schedule changes. I checked the record table in mysql and I still see all of my old recording programming in there, and it's marked as active. Any sugg |
| [03:02:12] | iamlindoro: | it's all a guess on my part anyway |
| [03:02:37] | iamlindoro: | xanderp, Have you tun mysqlcheck on your db? |
| [03:02:39] | iamlindoro: | er run |
| [03:02:49] | LanUser: | iamlindoro: same thing, oh well, I should just watch the damn movie and forget about the artwork |
| [03:03:06] | iamlindoro: | LanUser, For the moment anyway that may be the your option |
| [03:03:32] | LanUser: | iamlindoro: thanks for the help none the less |
| [03:03:34] | xanderp: | iamlindoro: if that is done by the mythbuntu-control-center when you have it do sql optimizations etc.. then yes. |
| [03:03:37] | iamlindoro: | LanUser, good luck |
| [03:03:55] | iamlindoro: | xand, no idea what mythbuntu control center does, run actual mysqlcheck |
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| [03:04:05] | xanderp: | iamlindoro: or i could do something from terminal. lemme do that. |
| [03:04:22] | xanderp: | iamlindoro: do i need to do that as root? |
| [03:04:35] | iamlindoro: | nope |
| [03:04:54] | xanderp: | hmm |
| [03:05:04] | xanderp: | looks like i need to pass some parameters... |
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| [03:06:01] | iamlindoro: | mysqlcheck -u root mythconverg |
| [03:06:54] | xanderp: | I got a string of tables listed all with 'ok' |
| [03:07:22] | iamlindoro: | so sounds like your DB is okay |
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| [03:09:30] | xanderp: | I wonder if my recordings show up in mythweb... just for giggles I'm going to look there. |
| [03:09:57] | xanderp: | nope... upcoming recordings are blank there as well. |
| [03:10:11] | xanderp: | But I know that they are in the record table in the database! |
| [03:10:48] | xanderp: | odd... i see from the logs that it's saying that the mythbackend started as a 'slave backend' |
| [03:10:54] | xanderp: | that's not right! |
| [03:11:07] | iamlindoro: | that's likely your problem |
| [03:11:35] | iamlindoro: | sounds like you have mismatched IP settings on the two fields on the first page of general in mythtv-setup |
| [03:11:44] | xanderp: | checking |
| [03:11:50] | xanderp: | (i thought they were localhost |
| [03:11:55] | xanderp: | but could be wrong |
| [03:12:20] | xanderp: | will hard code them |
| [03:13:34] | xanderp: | starting as master! Will check to see if my upcoming recordings show up once the mythfilldatabase finishes. |
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| [03:14:08] | xanderp: | damn... i missed about 1/2 a week of programming! (I don't usually watch anything until about a week late.) |
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| [03:16:26] | xanderp: | upcoming now showing, but tuner showing as offline. Hmmm. |
| [03:18:47] | xanderp: | I've never seen 'F' Recorder Off-line before. |
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| [03:23:12] | xanderp: | deleting and recreating tuners... |
| [03:26:28] | wagnerrp: | well on cable, i dont get FOX, on air, i dont get ABC |
| [03:26:46] | wagnerrp: | i can tune channel 10, but it seems theyre not broadcasting digital |
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| [03:32:43] | Kazan: | ok i got something i could use a touch of help with |
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| [03:33:13] | Kazan: | ffmpeg is crapping out on a conversion process with an invalid frame size from the ac3 audio library |
| [03:33:18] | Kazan: | anyway to tell to to attempt to recover |
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| [03:36:34] | tank-man: | maybe a newer version will work |
| [03:37:11] | Kazan: | umm |
| [03:37:30] | Kazan: | svn-r15261 is the version im running |
| [03:37:34] | Kazan: | built feb 4 2009 |
| [03:38:06] | tank-man: | was there anything relevent to your problem on the ffmpeg mailing list? |
| [03:38:14] | Kazan: | wow... they update fast though.. current trunk is 17861 |
| [03:38:27] | Kazan: | tank-man: google showed a couple people talking about the problem in relation to playback in mplayer |
| [03:38:38] | GreyFoxx: | current trunk is 20128 |
| [03:38:43] | Kazan: | but nobody talke about seeing it during conversion and RECOVERING... conversion dies when it encounters it |
| [03:38:51] | Kazan: | GreyFoxx: ffmpeg trunk? |
| [03:39:06] | GreyFoxx: | ahhh I was referring to mythtv trunk, sorry |
| [03:39:09] | Kazan: | i "svn info svn://svn.ffmpeg.org/ffmpeg/trunk" and got 17861 |
| [03:39:28] | Kazan: | my mythtv was last build to 20075 :P |
| [03:39:34] | Kazan: | not a myth problem i got here |
| [03:42:07] | xanderp: | for some reason my backend thinks' it's tuner is 'remote' and 'offline'. |
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| [04:37:12] | iamlindoro: | Frackin' Cavill |
| [04:38:02] | wagnerrp: | you and your not cussing... |
| [04:38:55] | nemiroal: | I had to google that one |
| [04:41:36] | iamlindoro: | I can't handle this suspense |
| [04:41:58] | wagnerrp: | oh great... local twin pediatricians on charges for child molestation |
| [04:42:10] | wagnerrp: | twins... does that mean someone is now going to be looking for the paedophile gene? |
| [04:42:31] | iamlindoro: | It does likely mean they were both molested by the same person |
| [04:44:35] | wagnerrp: | 'engaging in a pattern of corrupt activity' |
| [04:45:00] | wagnerrp: | does that mean they can charge you for being brought up on too many charges? |
| [04:50:57] | iamlindoro: | Haha, the list of shows Fox has killed with Friday nights is hilarious |
| [04:51:44] | iamlindoro: | Dark angel, Angel, Firefly... |
| [04:51:57] | iamlindoro: | And soon to follow the two shows currently on Fidays.. |
| [04:51:58] | iamlindoro: | Fridays |
| [04:52:07] | Dagmar: | Okay, maybe that explains Dollhouse then |
| [04:52:30] | Dagmar: | Wheadon was trying to make a show so bad that Fox wouldn't cancel it |
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| [05:34:46] | strex: | ls |
| [05:34:50] | strex: | doh |
| [05:36:50] | Dagmar: | . |
| [05:36:51] | Dagmar: | .. |
| [05:36:53] | Dagmar: | .pr0n |
| [05:36:59] | iamlindoro: | -rwxrwxrwx 1 strex users 5202153476 2008-12–15 21:11 Naked.Dudes.At.Play.mpg |
| [05:38:06] | strex: | lol |
| [05:39:54] | wagnerrp: | wow! 5GB |
| [05:42:39] | strex: | just an mpg? |
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| [05:43:04] | iamlindoro: | Wasn't aware that a different container format would turn you on more |
| [05:43:23] | strex: | haha |
| [05:45:20] | iamlindoro: | TVDB appears to be having some issues |
| [05:45:33] | iamlindoro: | All the pretty pitchers are broken |
| [05:46:13] | wagnerrp: | well i almost had a very serious problem |
| [05:46:39] | wagnerrp: | i was cutting up hangers, and had one end shoot off like a dart, about half an inch above one of my monitors |
| [05:49:00] | iamlindoro: | Making an antenna? |
| [05:49:32] | wagnerrp: | ding ding! |
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| [06:00:30] | sphery: | iamlindoro: so, not really important to you--as you're a keeper--but redbox is starting to do Blu-Ray rentals. And they're the same $1/day. |
| [06:00:53] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Probably very helpful to the "rent n' steal" crowd, though |
| [06:01:03] | sphery: | that's true. |
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| [06:01:18] | iamlindoro: | I've never actually seen one of those red box thigns in person |
| [06:01:29] | iamlindoro: | not sure if maybe they're very regional? |
| [06:02:02] | Dagmar: | They're little kiosks |
| [06:02:06] | Dagmar: | Ther'e a efw here |
| [06:02:08] | sphery: | I only noticed as I don't have a Blu-Ray player or drive, so I see it as something that I have to be careful not to get by accident--after all, that would be another $1 down the drain... |
| [06:02:18] | sphery: | yeah, it took them a while to get to my location |
| [06:03:15] | sphery: | They have them in LA (don't know where exactly you're at) at Jons Markets and Supervalu/Albersons stores |
| [06:03:42] | iamlindoro: | sphery, I'm in Northern CA-- we may well have them, I just tend to get my groceries delivered or go to Trader joes so I might not ever see them |
| [06:03:46] | wagnerrp: | weve got one at the local supermart |
| [06:04:09] | sphery: | down here, it's mainly Walmart and Walgreens... (Something about Wal's, it seems.) |
| [06:04:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | I saw one for the first time at a local Wal-Mart last-night. |
| [06:05:31] | sphery: | Funny enough, they're not too common at McDonalds stores in my town... (The company was started through McDonalds venture capital and McD's was where the kiosks started out, AIUI). |
| [06:06:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | $1 per day, after 25 days you own it if you don't return it... |
| [06:06:27] | sphery: | Yeah... But if you get it on the day you want to watch it, it's a great deal. |
| [06:06:40] | sphery: | and, $25 for a Blu-Ray may actually be a great deal. :) |
| [06:08:05] | sphery: | If you sign up for the e-mail newsletter they send occasional promo's for free rentals (this month they're doing 1 free rental each Wed, code announced at http://blog.redbox.com/ ). |
| [06:08:21] | sphery: | of course, that's 1 day free. |
| [06:09:16] | sphery: | I still love the Universal lawsuit against redbox... They're saying that redbox doesn't charge enough money for the rentals. |
| [06:09:34] | Dagmar: | Yeah that'll go over well in court |
| [06:10:05] | iamlindoro: | Man, Fox's bitrate locally has been really stellar lately, I must say |
| [06:10:06] | sphery: | yeah, they're claiming that it hurts other rental companies like blockbuster and hollywood videos and ... |
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| [06:10:15] | iamlindoro: | after commercial cut my hourlong shows are still at 6 GB |
| [06:10:29] | Dagmar: | ...and basically places with a much higher profit margin aren't wanting to give it up to competition. |
| [06:10:41] | Dagmar: | Too effing bad for them. |
| [06:11:38] | sphery: | nice... my hour long Fox shows are that size before commercials ( 6537136188 bytes for tonight's T:TSCC) |
| [06:12:19] | sphery: | yeah, trying to protect the old empire |
| [06:12:37] | wagnerrp: | really? i was getting like 3.5GB for my clipped hour long shows |
| [06:13:05] | iamlindoro: | 6241556996 2009-02–14 06:57 Dollhouse 1x01 – Ghost.mpg |
| [06:13:19] | iamlindoro: | And within 10–20 MB of that for the whole run of Dollhouse |
| [06:13:36] | sphery: | that's post comm's |
| [06:13:40] | iamlindoro: | yeah |
| [06:13:46] | sphery: | cool |
| [06:14:14] | sphery: | I wonder what happens at my local station... Fox sends out the show at high bitrate, local broadcaster requantizes? |
| [06:14:20] | sphery: | they don't re-encode, do they? |
| [06:14:26] | iamlindoro: | Ergo the naming (brought to you by iamlindoro's razzle dazzle export patch ;) ) |
| [06:14:41] | iamlindoro: | yeah, they do, the national feeds are at nearly 30 Mbit |
| [06:14:46] | wagnerrp: | seems i have to go find another coat hanger... i broke one |
| [06:15:04] | sphery: | that's pretty crazy... wouldn't it be a /lot/ cheaper just to encode once? |
| [06:15:42] | wagnerrp: | well theyre going to have to re-encode to put their own logos, and tickers, and such in |
| [06:15:47] | iamlindoro: | I guess they figure since everyone needs to add their local bug, scrollers, etc. which will require a re-encode, might as well start with a high bitrate source |
| [06:16:04] | sphery: | makes sense |
| [06:16:19] | sphery: | too bad bugs aren't in a separate stream |
| [06:16:23] | sphery: | (for more reasons than one :) |
| [06:16:29] | iamlindoro: | another place where MHEG would have been nice :) |
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| [06:17:09] | sphery: | yes |
| [06:17:20] | Dagmar: | That and it would be completely against that industry's normal directives to give the customer even one teeny bit more than the minimum they'll tolerate |
| [06:17:26] | Dagmar: | ...even when it's free. |
| [06:17:52] | sphery: | though that would mean that non-conformists (like us) could choose not to display the forced ads that some local broadcasters (mine) put on there |
| [06:19:03] | wagnerrp: | forced ads? |
| [06:19:18] | wagnerrp: | the worst ive seen is 'these school closings brought to you by this ski slope' |
| [06:19:56] | sphery: | they put animated ads for other shows on the corner (sometimes taking as much as 1/6 of the screen space) |
| [06:20:03] | sphery: | /very/ annoying |
| [06:20:34] | iamlindoro: | FX, TBS, USA, and SCI FI all do that in painful ways sometimes |
| [06:20:47] | iamlindoro: | Thsoe are the ones that come to mind as really bad offenders |
| [06:21:06] | sphery: | especially when it makes captions/subtitles--or worse, in-the-actual-show-content-that's-important--unreadable/unintelligible |
| [06:21:24] | sphery: | my local broadcasters must have learned from them |
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| [06:28:01] | strex: | so I've installed another tuner card so now I have a total of 4, but for some reason I have 2 recordings trying to use the same tuner and my logs are filling with errors that the device is busy. Any suggestions? |
| [06:28:57] | sphery: | strex: sounds like when you specified the video device when configuring the card in mythtv-setup, you put the exact same device name/number for 2 of the cards. |
| [06:29:38] | strex: | but shouldn't mythtv find a device that's not being used, and use that instead? |
| [06:30:18] | sphery: | mythtv chooses a capture card (as defined in mythtv-setup) that's not in use |
| [06:30:39] | sphery: | each capture card (in mythtv-setup) should map to a completely different video device |
| [06:31:00] | sphery: | (where video device means the actual device node provided by the kernel) |
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| [06:31:49] | sphery: | i.e. if you tell myth you have 2 different capture cards but point them both to the same physical device, myth does its best to record from both capture cards |
| [06:32:01] | sphery: | even though it will be impossible |
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| [06:32:41] | strex: | sphery: ok, I think I know what your saying, I'll get back into myth-setup and see whats up. |
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| [06:40:39] | rockhound: | hi everyone .. just setup a fresh mythtv 0.21 ... when switching to a tv channel containing an ac3 audio stream, myth can not open the PCM with the following error: |
| [06:41:16] | rockhound: | http://pastebin.com/md430a83 |
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| [06:41:41] | rockhound: | any suggestions where the PCM named "ard" is stored? I guess its just a typo somewhere |
| [06:46:15] | sphery: | rockhound: Audio Output Device in frontend settings |
| [06:46:57] | strex: | sphery: good catch, thanks that was exactly the issue. I had 2x /dev/video3's defined. |
| [06:47:00] | sphery: | There's also a Passthrough output device , and if this only happens on AC3 stations, it's probably that |
| [06:47:10] | sphery: | strex glad it worked |
| [06:47:26] | strex: | yea me too.. thanks |
| [06:47:58] | strex: | brb |
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| [07:19:39] | rockhound: | sphery: is set to alsa:spdif |
| [07:20:11] | rockhound: | and that is recognized fine |
| [07:20:18] | rockhound: | and passthrough is enabled aswell |
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| [07:20:46] | rockhound: | but nowhere is specified "ard" as device |
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| [07:30:55] | sphery: | rockhound: should be ALSA:spdif (all caps ALSA) |
| [07:31:27] | wagnerrp: | i need to build a reflector for this antenna |
| [07:31:53] | sphery: | and make sure you check the Passthrough Audio Device (i.e. not a checkbox that says to use passthrough, but the device name specified for use with passthrough) Should be either default or ALSA:<whatever> |
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| [07:33:12] | wagnerrp: | perhaps a better balun |
| [07:33:26] | wagnerrp: | the one im using was off an old pair of bunny ears, and looks very cheap |
| [07:35:24] | JohnQ: | Is there a way to have two tuners which each are assigned to a different subset of the same schedulesdirect lineup? |
| [07:35:49] | JohnQ: | I.e., is there a way to delete a channel from one tuner but not the other is they share the same SD lineup? |
| [07:35:59] | mchou: | yup |
| [07:36:07] | mchou: | create another lineup |
| [07:36:09] | mchou: | lol |
| [07:36:25] | JohnQ: | you cant have two of the same lineups in SD |
| [07:36:32] | wagnerrp: | well you cannot just create another lineup, SD doesnt allow you to have duplicant lineups |
| [07:36:40] | mchou: | they arent the same |
| [07:36:42] | wagnerrp: | however you can just use a lineup from one zip code over |
| [07:36:49] | wagnerrp: | should be all the same channels |
| [07:36:59] | mchou: | if you delete certain channels |
| [07:37:20] | JohnQ: | wagnerrp: good idea! |
| [07:37:40] | JohnQ: | mchou: You cant even set up the second linup to begin deleting from. |
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| [07:54:19] | JohnQ: | I wouldn't have thought of using the next zip code over. Genius. Works perfectly. |
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| [08:03:33] | rockhound: | sphery: it was the passthrough device ... if set to default (standard in my setup) it does not work |
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| [10:38:50] | Dagmar: | Holy crap they were smoking weed on BSG |
| [10:38:54] | Dagmar: | *facepalm* |
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| [10:48:17] | ccfreak2k: | Weed survived that many centuries? |
| [10:48:37] | ccfreak2k: | Wouldn't it be called something else to fit in with the theme? |
| [10:48:40] | ccfreak2k: | Like "warp" or something. |
| [10:49:06] | Dagmar: | I don't know but it took me awhile to notice that Odama and that woman were passing a joint back and forth |
| [10:49:17] | Dagmar: | There was a definite "WTF" moment there |
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| [10:51:56] | at0m|werk: | to avoid blue pencil, they call it frakkin' "weird" |
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| [11:16:08] | ** Dibblah guesses Dagmar is not a big plot follower. ** | |
| [11:18:55] | Dibblah: | I would be very highly guessing it's alluding to http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Chamalla |
| [11:19:42] | Dibblah: | And making sure to strengthen the link in the viewer's mind between marijuana and chamalla. |
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| [11:20:36] | Dagmar: | Regardless they were passing it back and forth like they were sparking a doobie |
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| [11:37:48] | geemark: | i have a few MythTV recordings that seem to last for an hour, but when I watch it there is only 20 minutes displayed in the status box – if I jump back and forth in the stream, it reveals more than 20 mins – is there any way I can rebuild the "search index" for a recording? |
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| [12:00:39] | geemark: | nevermind, I finally found it: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Repairing_the_Seektable |
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| [13:26:58] | reeeeeesty: | How do i find my tuner device in /dev? |
| [13:27:12] | reeeeeesty: | i just installed the card.... and i dont think it is video0, because that didnt work in setup |
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| [13:38:24] | Tomas-: | reeeeeesty: check the output from dmesg |
| [13:39:05] | reeeeeesty: | i get "cx18–0: Failed to initialize on minor 0, 1, or 2" |
| [13:39:12] | reeeeeesty: | like 40–50 times |
| [13:39:50] | Tomas-: | geemark: try mythcommflag --video filename to rebuld it |
| [13:40:16] | gbee: | --video should only be used with non-recordings |
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| [13:40:33] | gbee: | as --video implies, it for use with videos |
| [13:40:36] | Tomas-: | reeeeeesty: check that the correct modules are loaded for the card |
| [13:41:15] | Tomas-: | gbee: ok, but is video anything but the internal mythtv format, whatever it's called |
| [13:41:40] | Tomas-: | like, if you have DVB-X that stores in mpeg2, then --video rebuild is possible? |
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| [13:42:46] | gbee: | "mythcommflag --file" for _all_ recordings |
| [13:43:06] | geemark: | Tomas-, gbee, thanks, but I found a solution on a mythtv wiki page :) |
| [13:43:07] | gbee: | or alternately "mythcommflag --chanid {chanid} --starttime {starttime}" |
| [13:43:42] | gbee: | geemark: yeah I know, just trying to correct the misunderstanding over the correct commands |
| [13:44:07] | reeeeeesty: | ahh, i dont have v4l-dvb |
| [13:45:12] | Tomas-: | Anyone managed to build a static version of mythtvosd, wanted to have one on my asterisk server without the need to have libmp3lame etc etc installed |
| [13:45:49] | geemark: | :) |
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| [13:57:27] | bcjenkins: | Good day all – I am looking for information on running mythcommflag completely standalone without a myth installation. Is there such a method? |
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| [14:00:49] | GreyFoxx: | Tomas-: Years ago I did, just editted the Makefile and remoed a lot of the linked in libraries |
| [14:00:56] | GreyFoxx: | worked just fine |
| [14:01:07] | GreyFoxx: | I stil have it up if you want a copy |
| [14:01:11] | GreyFoxx: | it would likely still work |
| [14:01:26] | GreyFoxx: | oh wait... it was against Qt3 |
| [14:01:56] | GreyFoxx: | easier to just edit the Make file |
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| [14:05:48] | cityLights1: | hi , I read http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Troubleshooting:Prebuffering_pause yet I still get the error |
| [14:06:15] | kshots: | "the error" |
| [14:06:28] | cityLights1: | I run top and see mythbackend at 26% while the front end is at 45% |
| [14:06:53] | cityLights1: | NVP: prebuffering pause |
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| [14:07:03] | cityLights1: | WriteAudio: buffer underrun |
| [14:07:31] | cityLights1: | I am using the defualt setup with qt painter and profile set to slim |
| [14:07:43] | cityLights1: | I am using NO deinterlace filter |
| [14:08:55] | reeeeeesty: | this is kind of a dumb question but...im getting no signal when i scan for channels. do i have to plug my tuner card into anything? |
| [14:09:13] | kshots: | yes |
| [14:09:24] | kshots: | you have to plug it into a PC to begin with |
| [14:09:26] | reeeeeesty: | i have a "TV Connector" and a ATSC Digital TV connector" |
| [14:09:38] | reeeeeesty: | its a pci card... so its already plugged |
| [14:09:50] | reeeeeesty: | but which connector do i use and what do i plug it into |
| [14:09:55] | reeeeeesty: | the wall cable outlet or the tv? |
| [14:10:08] | kshots: | they both plug into the wall outlet |
| [14:10:31] | reeeeeesty: | so im gonna need a splitter? |
| [14:10:42] | kshots: | if you want both analog and hd |
| [14:10:48] | reeeeeesty: | k |
| [14:10:53] | reeeeeesty: | im on ATSC digital |
| [14:10:56] | reeeeeesty: | thats what im scanning for now. |
| [14:11:04] | kshots: | if that's all you want, then that's all you plug in |
| [14:11:18] | reeeeeesty: | so do i plug my from the atsc connector to outlet? |
| [14:11:31] | kshots: | yes |
| [14:11:33] | reeeeeesty: | alright :] |
| [14:11:42] | reeeeeesty: | its alright if i plug it in while computers on? |
| [14:12:04] | kshots: | as long as the card is secured and won't pop out while you mess with it |
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| [14:16:48] | cityLights1: | so , I think that mythtv is using too much of my cpu |
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| [14:17:37] | cityLights1: | I have installed a nVidia card, can I tell mythtv to use that instead of my pentium4 ? |
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| [14:23:17] | cityLights1: | how can I tell if my overlay is on? |
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| [14:28:36] | kshots: | how can I obtain more information on why a transcode failed? The log only says: Exit status 255, job status was "Errored" |
| [14:28:43] | kshots: | mythtv-trunk, btw |
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| [14:45:45] | Tomas-: | GreyFoxx: thanks for the tip |
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| [15:13:03] | justinh: | buggeration. mythfrontend is still trying to change video modes to ones that aren't supported. |
| [15:13:40] | justinh: | DisplaResX: XRRSetScreenConfigAndRate() call failed. |
| [15:13:43] | justinh: | 2009-03–07 15:11:43.086 SwitchToVideo: Video size 544 x 576: xrandr failed for 800 x 600 |
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| [15:22:46] | justinh: | heh. funny. manually ran xrandr to set it to output 1024x768 & suddenly the video fits the screen |
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| [15:27:00] | eNeRGi: | l |
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| [15:45:06] | wagnerrp: | can cable amps be used with antenna? |
| [15:46:23] | _abbenormal: | yes but will only pass within the bands its set for if a channel is out of the band it wont amp it no gain will be seen |
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| [15:47:14] | _abbenormal: | if it only goes to say 550 mhz anything above it wont be amplified |
| [15:47:31] | wagnerrp: | i built an antenna last night, ran it through a splitter, and into my HDHR |
| [15:47:56] | wagnerrp: | i was just very disappointed that the signal was only marginally better than the bunny ears it had replaced... until i remove the splitter |
| [15:48:26] | wagnerrp: | i guess i didnt expect that 3db to make that much difference on the signal quality |
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| [15:48:51] | _abbenormal: | splitters can lose up to 11 to 15 db depending on type and model |
| [15:49:11] | wagnerrp: | just a 2-way splitter? |
| [15:49:40] | _abbenormal: | ive seen some that bad |
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| [15:56:38] | sphery: | rockhound (if you ever check logs)... re: "if set to default (standard in my setup) it does not work" — that's because MythTV defines the word "Default" for "Passthrough output device" to mean "the same as Audio Ouput Device". "standard" is meaningless--regardless of your ALSA config (ALSA:standard, however, might be valid) |
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| [16:28:27] | zand: | iamlindoro: what? |
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| [16:49:00] | Saviq: | guys, my epg source names series as 'Title 1', 'Title 2' etc. where 1, 2 are season numbers, is it possible to have Myth record 'Title( [0–9]*)'? |
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| [17:03:52] | justinh: | Saviq: make a custom record rule with a title search on Title% |
| [17:03:55] | justinh: | that ought to do it |
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| [17:04:34] | justinh: | % is the wildcard in mysql. I hope to one day make the custom rule settings much easier for non-sql-ites to figure out |
| [17:05:21] | Saviq: | will myth still separate 'Title 1' episode 1 from 'Title 2' episode 2? |
| [17:05:38] | Saviq: | so that it will actually record all episodes? |
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| [17:10:56] | justinh: | should do |
| [17:11:19] | justinh: | depends on duplicate finding methods & how consistent your EPG data is |
| [17:12:39] | justinh: | if each season has a unique title like you say, all the episodes from each season should be grouped together correctly anyway |
| [17:17:16] | justinh: | if you set the duplicate matching method for that rule to ignore shows of the same subtitle it should work fine |
| [17:17:19] | clever: | ive seen one show where the season is in the 'title' field |
| [17:17:29] | clever: | so the recording rule doesnt match and i miss half the season:P |
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| [17:33:04] | gbee: | Saviq: if appropriate suggest to the xmltv grabber author that they add fixups for such titles, moving the season numbers into the correct field |
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| [17:36:31] | Saviq: | gbee: what's the 'correct' field? is there a 'season' xmltv element? |
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| [17:41:29] | gbee: | episode-num |
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| [17:42:31] | gbee: | uses a format like "1.2.3" – where 1 is the season, 2 is the episode number, 3 is the part (if applicable) |
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| [17:43:13] | gbee: | So season 4, episode 13, part 2 would be 4.13.2 |
| [17:43:43] | Saviq: | is that displayed somehow in myth's UI? |
| [17:46:31] | cityLights1: | how can I tell from xvinfo if I have overlay turned on? |
| [17:47:04] | cityLights1: | I am guessing this is the only reason mythtv takes a lot of cpu % |
| [17:47:58] | gbee: | stored in the database, but not currently exposed in the UI, wouldn't take much to allow that though |
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| [17:51:09] | gbee: | Saviq: seems if it's known, then it's displayed in the Program Details screen, but nowhere else ATM |
| [17:54:00] | Saviq: | thanks |
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| [18:07:47] | reeeeeesty: | if i just wanna get the basic 100 channels. Would i go atsc digital or analog? |
| [18:08:29] | cityLights1: | gbee: I dont understand , doesnt xvinfo tell me if my video card CAN do overlay? |
| [18:08:45] | cityLights1: | and if so mythtv will use that to playback – right? |
| [18:09:00] | reeeeeesty: | because i have a "TV connector" and a "ATSC Digital TV connector" and i only have 1 wall outlet. |
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| [18:12:02] | gbee: | cityLights1: I was talking to Saviq |
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| [18:12:53] | cityLights1: | ok, as you see I am coming here often and I am doing my best to understand what is wrong, i googled, and changed the video card |
| [18:13:06] | cityLights1: | yet I can't get livetv any more |
| [18:13:41] | tony426: | anyone know why i lose sound sometimes after starting mythtv? |
| [18:14:28] | tony426: | just tv sound is gone sometimes |
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| [18:16:23] | reeeeeesty: | http://www.hauppauge.com/pics/hvr1600_74031_diagram-s.jpg is the card i have... and its installed in mythtv... but what do i need to do to get channels when i scan? |
| [18:17:05] | reeeeeesty: | do i ise the analog or atsc / qam digital? and do i plug it into my tv or wall outlet |
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| [18:37:51] | wagnerrp: | reeeeeesty: that all depends, what is your content source? |
| [18:38:21] | wagnerrp: | analog cable, plug it into the analog side, and grab a lineup from schedules direct |
| [18:38:41] | wagnerrp: | digital broadcast, plug the antenna into the digital side, and scan 8vsb |
| [18:38:53] | wagnerrp: | digital cable, plug the cable into the digital side, and scan qam256 |
| [18:39:15] | reeeeeesty: | so i dont need to use both? |
| [18:39:25] | reeeeeesty: | like one goes into the tv... and one into the wall? |
| [18:40:40] | reeeeeesty: | i was confused by the card manual.... it says Plug your cable TV into TV Connector. Plug your ATSC digital TV antenna into the ATSC Digital Input |
| [18:41:23] | reeeeeesty: | if it would help... my tv has a built-in tuner |
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| [18:49:03] | Dagmar: | Man if you are having trouble hooking your television up to an antenna, MythTV is going to be more than you can handle. |
| [18:49:34] | reeeeeesty: | no, i know how to work mythtv... i just dont get how a dual tuner works |
| [18:55:40] | wagnerrp: | a dual tuner is... two tuners |
| [18:55:43] | wagnerrp: | whats the confusion? |
| [18:56:06] | wagnerrp: | one analog, one digital |
| [18:56:12] | wagnerrp: | connect the signal cables as such |
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| [18:57:33] | reeeeeesty: | oh |
| [18:57:54] | reeeeeesty: | i just didnt get why you would need 2 tuners |
| [18:58:17] | wagnerrp: | i have 5 tuners, in case i want to record 5 things at once |
| [18:58:23] | reeeeeesty: | and this manul is in bad english... so i thought u connected 1 calbe to the tv |
| [18:58:27] | reeeeeesty: | oh.. |
| [18:58:46] | reeeeeesty: | so you can watch digital while your record analog and vice versa kind of? |
| [18:58:47] | wagnerrp: | there is no tuner card that should ever be connected to a tv |
| [18:59:01] | reeeeeesty: | alright, i get it :P |
| [18:59:06] | wagnerrp: | well there is no concept of 'watching tv' with mythtv |
| [18:59:11] | wagnerrp: | everything is a recording |
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| [18:59:53] | wagnerrp: | but yes, with a 1600, you can record both analog and digital at the same time |
| [18:59:53] | reeeeeesty: | so theres no live tv? |
| [19:00:18] | wagnerrp: | there is 'live tv', but live tv is nothing more than recording flagged as a temporary file |
| [19:00:33] | reeeeeesty: | so to watch tv. you need to record it? |
| [19:00:49] | _abbenormal: | yes you can but what he is saying is myth records everything so you can pause it or watch it later |
| [19:00:50] | wagnerrp: | mythtv records everything, thats the whole concept of a PVR |
| [19:01:06] | GreyFoxx: | reeeeeesty: Can't pause/rewind livetv if you don't record it first |
| [19:01:16] | wagnerrp: | mythtv used to have a different facility for livetv |
| [19:01:25] | reeeeeesty: | yeah i know that. |
| [19:01:39] | wagnerrp: | livetv was recorded to a looped memory buffer |
| [19:01:57] | wagnerrp: | leaving you some number of minutes of pause before the file looped back over |
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| [19:02:14] | wagnerrp: | but that was just dropped in favor of recording everything, back somewhere around 0.18 |
| [19:02:42] | reeeeeesty: | so every channel you tune into... you record? |
| [19:02:56] | gbee: | but recording to seperate files allows features like one touch record of a program from the moment you started recording, even if that was 20 minutes before you hit the button |
| [19:02:56] | wagnerrp: | now everything is a recording, and the 'live tv' is just a special way of scheduling a recording |
| [19:03:24] | wagnerrp: | if you go into 'watch recordings' and hit 'm', you can change the filters to show previously watched livetv |
| [19:03:50] | wagnerrp: | now those recordings are usually auto-expired in a couple of days |
| [19:03:52] | reeeeeesty: | alright. |
| [19:03:57] | wagnerrp: | but they are still made |
| [19:04:05] | reeeeeesty: | oh |
| [19:04:19] | reeeeeesty: | about what you said before about schedulesdirect |
| [19:04:26] | reeeeeesty: | you need it for analog? |
| [19:04:43] | wagnerrp: | if you are using mythtv in the US, you should have schedules direct |
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| [19:05:08] | wagnerrp: | if you are using analog tv in the US, you can grab a lineup from schedules direct, and have no need to do a channel scan |
| [19:05:26] | reeeeeesty: | but if its digital then you need to? |
| [19:05:59] | wagnerrp: | if its digital, do a scan, and then you have to manually define xmlids for your results |
| [19:06:21] | wagnerrp: | the xmlids can be had by mousing over the channels on the schedules direct lineup page |
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| [19:06:33] | reeeeeesty: | alright. |
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| [19:06:52] | reeeeeesty: | so, since i already have comcast. That doesnt benefit me? |
| [19:07:01] | wagnerrp: | what doesnt? |
| [19:07:13] | reeeeeesty: | having a cable provider |
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| [19:07:33] | wagnerrp: | comcast is your cable provider |
| [19:07:44] | wagnerrp: | having one cable provider means theres no benefit to having a second? |
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| [19:07:54] | reeeeeesty: | :P |
| [19:08:06] | reeeeeesty: | no benefit to mythtv i mean |
| [19:08:19] | reeeeeesty: | like... mythv would work fine without comcast. |
| [19:08:40] | reeeeeesty: | because that would be nice to cancel my comcast if i could just use mythtv :P |
| [19:08:42] | wagnerrp: | myth would work fine with digital broadcast tv, it would also work fine with comcast cable |
| [19:09:26] | wagnerrp: | the analog side on your 1600 will be worthless if you do not have comcast |
| [19:09:54] | reeeeeesty: | oh. |
| [19:10:08] | reeeeeesty: | then what does schedules direct do? |
| [19:10:10] | wagnerrp: | (considering the shutdown of analog broadcast and all) |
| [19:10:19] | wagnerrp: | scheduled direct provides scheduling data |
| [19:10:30] | reeeeeesty: | so you dont have to do it manually? |
| [19:10:34] | wagnerrp: | it allows you to tell mythtv to record a show, rather than to record a time and a channel |
| [19:10:41] | reeeeeesty: | oh |
| [19:11:27] | reeeeeesty: | so would i be better off with analog if im totally fine with what comcast offers me? |
| [19:11:27] | wagnerrp: | otherwise, you may as well just buy a vcr |
| [19:11:43] | reeeeeesty: | rather than digital |
| [19:11:58] | wagnerrp: | you have a digital tuner, use it |
| [19:12:15] | wagnerrp: | either plug it into an antenna, and capture digital broadcasts of the major networks |
| [19:12:17] | reeeeeesty: | but if analog is comcast. then what is digital? |
| [19:12:33] | reeeeeesty: | free channels? |
| [19:12:33] | wagnerrp: | or plug it into comcast, and see what they give you over QAM in your local area |
| [19:12:46] | reeeeeesty: | oh |
| [19:13:07] | reeeeeesty: | i have a cable wall outlet. |
| [19:13:15] | reeeeeesty: | can that be used as analog or digital? |
| [19:13:23] | wagnerrp: | comcast is required to rebroadcast the local channels unencrypted over their lines |
| [19:13:37] | wagnerrp: | analog cable will usually be channels 2–78 |
| [19:13:45] | wagnerrp: | the digital channels start at 79+ |
| [19:13:51] | reeeeeesty: | oh |
| [19:14:02] | reeeeeesty: | so thats why i need both :D |
| [19:14:14] | wagnerrp: | so, you plug that card into the cable line, run a scan, and you should get most of the local broadcast channels |
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| [19:14:33] | wagnerrp: | they may be HD, or comcast may only provide the SD feeds |
| [19:14:47] | wagnerrp: | you may also receive additional cable-only channels unencrypted |
| [19:14:50] | reeeeeesty: | but since i only have 1 outlet... do i need a splitter to plugin both analog and digital? |
| [19:14:59] | wagnerrp: | it all depends on how anal the regional manager is |
| [19:15:09] | wagnerrp: | yes, go to radio shack, spend a couple bucks |
| [19:15:46] | reeeeeesty: | i already have a few .. you answered my main question |
| [19:15:47] | wagnerrp: | if you check the silicon dust website, they maintain a list of what channels you should be able to receive in your area unencrypted, over broadcast and cable |
| [19:15:53] | reeeeeesty: | that i can get both analog and digital out of my wall |
| [19:16:11] | reeeeeesty: | k |
| [19:16:25] | wagnerrp: | if you have any form of cable, you must have at least the local broadcast channels digital and unencrypted |
| [19:16:26] | TTilus: | theres wiki article on setting up fm radio <http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Fm_radio> but looks like its only a hack to enable live playing and tuning from mythfrontend, id like to work with radio channels just like im working with tv channels |
| [19:16:31] | wagnerrp: | even if you do not pay for digital cable |
| [19:16:31] | TTilus: | possible? |
| [19:16:53] | Dagmar: | Can't you read it for yourself? |
| [19:17:01] | wagnerrp: | TTilus: anything is possible, its just a matter of how much programming youre willing to do |
| [19:17:37] | TTilus: | wagnerrp: :D |
| [19:18:05] | reeeeeesty: | wagner, just from your experience... do you know if a splitter would lower my signal? |
| [19:18:12] | TTilus: | let me rephrase a bit ... know anybody has already done it? |
| [19:18:13] | reeeeeesty: | or am i going to need an amp |
| [19:18:15] | wagnerrp: | reeeeeesty: yes, by 3db |
| [19:18:26] | reeeeeesty: | noticeable? |
| [19:18:38] | wagnerrp: | how many devices do you have plugged into the cable line? |
| [19:18:49] | reeeeeesty: | all over my apartment? |
| [19:18:53] | reeeeeesty: | or just into this outlet? |
| [19:19:03] | wagnerrp: | since the last amp |
| [19:19:17] | reeeeeesty: | 5 |
| [19:19:32] | wagnerrp: | cable feeds are usually good for maybe 4 devices before you start having noticeable signal degredationdk |
| [19:20:01] | wagnerrp: | with those 5 devices, plus the two more for the tuner card, you will need an amp |
| [19:20:10] | reeeeeesty: | no. 5 with these |
| [19:20:35] | wagnerrp: | 5 total, you may get by |
| [19:20:46] | reeeeeesty: | alright? |
| [19:20:50] | reeeeeesty: | oops alright* |
| [19:20:51] | reeeeeesty: | :] |
| [19:20:53] | wagnerrp: | do you have cable internet or any set to boxes? |
| [19:20:53] | reeeeeesty: | thanks |
| [19:21:07] | reeeeeesty: | yes, i have cable internet |
| [19:21:28] | wagnerrp: | your cable modem will probably be the first to drop offline, if you have too poor of signal |
| [19:21:50] | reeeeeesty: | alright |
| [19:21:52] | wagnerrp: | note that if you do buy an amp, most amps are unidirectional |
| [19:21:58] | reeeeeesty: | ill just try analog first and see what happens. |
| [19:22:01] | reeeeeesty: | then ill add on digital |
| [19:22:19] | wagnerrp: | so if you put the amp before the modem, your upstream signals will be extremely attenuated, and you will not be able to connect through it |
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| [19:22:40] | wagnerrp: | the same is likely true with any digital STBs you may have |
| [19:22:57] | reeeeeesty: | k |
| [19:23:23] | Dagmar: | I should damn well hope amps are unidirectional |
| [19:24:00] | reeeeeesty: | so if my tv was fuzzy a little bit... is that because poor signal? |
| [19:24:09] | Dagmar: | As to the amp affecting the upstream, that's not the way they work |
| [19:24:45] | wagnerrp: | it may mean poor signal, it may just mean poor source from the cableco |
| [19:30:54] | reeeeeesty: | so if i dont have schedulesdirect... i should choose the other option in video source setup? |
| [19:30:58] | reeeeeesty: | the eit one |
| [19:31:10] | wagnerrp: | no, you should choose schedules direct |
| [19:31:11] | Dagmar: | Only if they do EIT where youlive. |
| [19:31:13] | Dagmar: | Which they don't. |
| [19:31:30] | reeeeeesty: | or just not grabber |
| [19:31:33] | wagnerrp: | cable providers may not give any EIT, or at most, the current show |
| [19:31:33] | reeeeeesty: | no grabber* |
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| [19:31:47] | wagnerrp: | broadcast EIT wont give you more than the next day at the most |
| [19:31:57] | reeeeeesty: | EIT is when you can see shows for the next few hours right? |
| [19:32:13] | wagnerrp: | yes, scheduling data sent over the broadcast stream |
| [19:32:24] | reeeeeesty: | because i have that on the comcast box i have right now |
| [19:32:30] | wagnerrp: | but you dont want the next couple shows, you want the next couple weeks |
| [19:32:35] | reeeeeesty: | does that mean i could get it on my mythbox? |
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| [19:32:44] | artus35: | Hi all |
| [19:32:56] | artus35: | I am trying to get the automatic shutdown/startup to work |
| [19:33:04] | artus35: | not much success so far :( |
| [19:33:11] | wagnerrp: | no, comcast sends their EIT data in a non-standard method that only their cable boxes can receive |
| [19:33:12] | artus35: | can anybody help? |
| [19:33:19] | reeeeeesty: | alright |
| [19:33:24] | wagnerrp: | artus35: what specifically is your problem |
| [19:33:41] | reeeeeesty: | what about for channel frequency? |
| [19:33:49] | reeeeeesty: | default, us-cable, us-bcast? |
| [19:33:50] | wagnerrp: | reeeeeesty: in europe, some areas get a week or more from EIT data |
| [19:34:02] | wagnerrp: | in the us, you will almost certainly never get more than a day |
| [19:34:03] | artus35: | wagnerrp: I am using this howto: |
| [19:34:05] | artus35: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/ACPI_Wakeup#Using_ . . . .2Fwakealarm |
| [19:34:13] | artus35: | the manual part works ok |
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| [19:34:19] | artus35: | machine wakes up |
| [19:34:19] | wagnerrp: | whereas schedules direct gives you two weeks of data |
| [19:34:31] | wagnerrp: | reeeeeesty: what are you trying to scan? cable or broadcast? |
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| [19:34:44] | artus35: | but I am not sure how to test the automatic part |
| [19:34:46] | reeeeeesty: | im setting up my analog |
| [19:34:50] | reeeeeesty: | i want the 2–78 channels |
| [19:35:10] | wagnerrp: | cable or broadcast? |
| [19:35:12] | artus35: | mythshutdown is the key here I guess |
| [19:35:24] | reeeeeesty: | idk.. i have comcast cable |
| [19:35:37] | wagnerrp: | so obviously you want... cable |
| [19:35:46] | reeeeeesty: | whats broadcast? |
| [19:35:55] | wagnerrp: | broadcast is broadcast |
| [19:36:15] | wagnerrp: | i.e.: not the cable |
| [19:36:19] | reeeeeesty: | oh |
| [19:36:24] | artus35: | wagnerrp: how would you test the automatic shutdown? |
| [19:36:31] | cesman: | reeeeeesty: think rabbit ears |
| [19:36:51] | wagnerrp: | artus35: ive never used it personally |
| [19:37:38] | cesman: | artus35: if you have everything setting and mythwelcome is running it should just shutdown if the backend is idle |
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| [19:41:02] | artus35: | ok |
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| [19:41:19] | artus35: | cesman: which settings do you have for the values? |
| [19:41:26] | artus35: | the waiting times etc |
| [19:46:31] | ** cesman thought you'd have gotten the info from the wiki article... ** | |
| [19:49:11] | cesman: | artus35: if you are testing, set it for a low value |
| [19:49:17] | cesman: | like 60 sec |
| [19:50:13] | reeeeeesty: | why do all my channels show up as unknown? |
| [19:50:17] | reeeeeesty: | and they dont work |
| [19:50:33] | wagnerrp: | reeeeeesty: you did a scan of digital cable? |
| [19:51:06] | reeeeeesty: | no analog |
| [19:51:15] | wagnerrp: | why did you scan analog? |
| [19:51:26] | reeeeeesty: | how else do i get analog channels |
| [19:51:36] | Dagmar: | Because he's not read a lick of documenation |
| [19:51:38] | Dagmar: | That's why |
| [19:52:10] | wagnerrp: | "<wagnerrp> if you are using analog tv in the US, you can grab a lineup from schedules direct, and have no need to do a channel scan" |
| [19:52:21] | wagnerrp: | that was from about 45 minutes ago |
| [19:52:41] | reeeeeesty: | but you told me you didnt need schedules direct |
| [19:52:44] | Dagmar: | This is why I just ignore people who let it slip that they're not reading docs |
| [19:53:01] | wagnerrp: | i told you if you lived in europe, you could get by with EIT |
| [19:53:01] | Dagmar: | ...because they'll put just as much effort into not reading the things that I try to tell them personally. |
| [19:53:15] | wagnerrp: | if you lived in the US, subscribe to schedules direct |
| [19:53:34] | reeeeeesty: | so without a grabber... you cant get analog? |
| [19:54:04] | wagnerrp: | without a listings provider, there is no reason to run mythtv |
| [19:54:24] | wagnerrp: | you *can* do a manual analog channel scan, but there would be no point |
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| [20:08:30] | cityLights1: | Dagmar: and If I did read the docs , can I ask a pointer here? |
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| [21:09:08] | cityLights1: | EvilGuru: hi |
| [21:09:22] | EvilGuru: | Hey |
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| [21:09:46] | cityLights1: | can you assist me in getting mythtv to play livetv? |
| [21:10:11] | EvilGuru: | Not likely |
| [21:10:21] | cityLights1: | I read the offical wiki faq and the prebuffering wiki - |
| [21:10:25] | cityLights1: | oh |
| [21:10:42] | cityLights1: | ok, how can at least point me where to find a cure? |
| [21:10:55] | cityLights1: | I suffer from high cpu usage during livetv |
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| [21:44:51] | cad: | Hello, My PVR-500 card from Hauppageu wont let me watch tv, any ideas please? |
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| [21:48:46] | Dubstar_04: | cad: paste bin the output from the mythfrontend log and post a link |
| [21:49:18] | cad: | Dubstar_04, Where do i found the log :S sorry iam new to mythtv |
| [21:49:41] | Dubstar_04: | /var/log/mythtv |
| [21:50:01] | cad: | Thanks |
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| [21:52:14] | cad: | Dubstar_04, I've just got a backend and a filldatabase log |
| [21:52:51] | Dubstar_04: | umm, strange |
| [21:53:21] | Dubstar_04: | start mythfrontend from terminal and watch the output |
| [21:53:30] | cad: | okey |
| [21:55:10] | Dubstar_04: | cad: when did you install myth? |
| [21:55:41] | cad: | yesterday i think, It came with LinuxMCE |
| [21:55:50] | Dubstar_04: | ahh |
| [21:56:48] | Dubstar_04: | there are loads of things you need to check, but im not sure how LinuxMCE handles these things... |
| [21:57:05] | Dubstar_04: | are the drivers loaded for the tv card |
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| [21:57:16] | cad: | ivtv? |
| [21:57:20] | Dubstar_04: | have you set the card up in myth |
| [21:57:45] | cad: | Yeah but Iam not sure I did it right |
| [21:57:53] | Dubstar_04: | start myth-setup from the command line |
| [21:58:04] | cad: | http://pastebin.com/m22d109ea |
| [21:58:32] | cad: | with root permissions? |
| [21:59:46] | Dubstar_04: | go in to the card settings and set the cards up, they should be under dvb cards I think! |
| [22:00:06] | Dubstar_04: | is your recorded tv folder called 'myth'? |
| [22:02:08] | cad: | I havn't been able to recorded any TV :S |
| [22:02:14] | Dubstar_04: | is the backend running? |
| [22:02:51] | cad: | nope, not as i know |
| [22:02:55] | cesman: | based on the logs, it looks like the backend is running |
| [22:03:05] | Dubstar_04: | run mythbackend from the command line and check the logs to make sure the folders you have specified are writeable |
| [22:03:05] | cesman: | I'd suggest talking a look at the backend log |
| [22:05:03] | cad: | Okey, the backend says no capture card in the database or something similar |
| [22:05:27] | cad: | and says i should read the installation instructions |
| [22:05:38] | Dubstar_04: | there you go... |
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| [22:06:48] | Dubstar_04: | once you have set myth up once its pretty simple to do again. check the wiki for help |
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| [22:07:33] | cad: | Yeah iam right on the http://mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_PVR-500 |
| [22:07:45] | cad: | too late =( |
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| [22:16:59] | cad: | cesman, I also checked my dmesg, it says "Unreasonably low latency timer, setting to 64 (was 32)" is this a problem or should i ignore it? |
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| [22:39:35] | cesman: | cad: generally it can be ignore |
| [22:39:48] | cesman: | cad: are you interested in a whole house solution? |
| [22:40:09] | cesman: | cad: if not, then I'd suggest you sue something other than LinuxMCE |
| [22:40:52] | cesman: | cad: while it maybe great for a whole home solution, it isn't what I'd use for a media center as it is far more than a media center |
| [22:41:36] | sphery: | (not to mention it's an ancient version of Myth) |
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| [22:42:13] | cad: | cesman, Yeah Iam building a whole house sulotion =/ |
| [22:43:31] | cesman: | cad: to get the best out of LinuxMCE, you _should_ follow thier recommended hardware list _closely_ |
| [22:43:57] | cesman: | cad: this is something the LMCE would themselves tell you... |
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| [22:45:37] | cad: | cesman, yeah I know that, thats why a buy a PVR-500 too, but my lack of knowledge in myth is the source why iam failing rigth now |
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| [22:46:21] | cesman: | have you taken a look at the backend log? |
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| [22:49:56] | cad: | yes |
| [22:52:00] | cesman: | ahhh |
| [22:52:02] | cesman: | ok |
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| [23:02:19] | cad: | cesman, I've got a satelite box, i should be able to watch that by connect the output(S-video) on my PVR card instead of my TV right? |
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| [23:03:03] | cesman: | yes |
| [23:04:40] | cad: | nice i've just let the mplayer run /dev/video0 and I got "ant war" on my screen |
| [23:04:49] | cad: | wish means atleast i got a signal |
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| [23:05:43] | cad: | and i just found the guide explain how i switch channels on mplayer, this is not the satelite box btw |
| [23:08:40] | ** cesman couldn'y say as he doesn't use mplayer in such a fashion ** | |
| [23:09:08] | cesman: | cad: you need to setup MythTV to use the svido input of the tuner(s) |
| [23:09:30] | cesman: | cad: you then need to bind that input to a source then setup a channel change script |
| [23:09:52] | cesman: | cad: assuming you are in the US, you need to setup a account w/ schedules direct |
| [23:10:11] | cesman: | cad: you'll need an irblaster to switch channels on the box |
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| [23:11:14] | tony426_: | anyone know why i have to run mythfill sometimes like it forgets my settings? |
| [23:11:50] | cad: | cesman, thanks i'll see more at this tomorrow :) |
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| [23:12:36] | tony426_: | anyone, any way to make my remote automatic fire? |
| [23:12:57] | tony426_: | i have to keep pushing volume button instead of holding it down as i would prefer |
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| [23:20:36] | tony426_: | nvm, it's the "repeat" command i have to set |
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| [23:25:13] | tony426_: | ok, one last problem. i get freezing any time i use the remote on live tv. any solution? |
| [23:25:43] | tony426_: | or choppiness, i should say |
| [23:26:09] | cesman: | start with investigate your logs |
| [23:26:23] | sphery: | tony426_: lots of people using new distros do... if you figure it out, please let us know what the bug is. :) |
| [23:26:58] | sphery: | I'm guessing it's a change in one of the libs that causes locking issues in X, but I'm not affected, so I can't debug it. |
| [23:27:17] | sphery: | (assuming it happens during playback only and whether you use the remote or the keyboard) |
| [23:27:31] | sphery: | if it's remote only, make sure you're using MythTV 0.21-fixes r19222 or higher |
| [23:27:46] | tony426_: | glad to know i'm not the only one. i got it going the best i ever had but that bug |
| [23:28:05] | tony426_: | yes, just during playback. not with keyboard |
| [23:28:20] | sphery: | what distro? |
| [23:28:27] | tony426_: | mint 6 |
| [23:28:34] | sphery: | no idea what that is... |
| [23:28:43] | tony426_: | i understand it's pretty much just ubuntu with codecs and such |
| [23:28:47] | sphery: | if it's really remote only, make sure you have 0.21-fixes r19222 + |
| [23:28:50] | cesman: | distro derived from ubuntu |
| [23:29:00] | sphery: | based on 8.04 or 8.10? |
| [23:29:10] | tony426_: | yes, it is able to use ubuntu distros but i have the newest one in the repos |
| [23:29:14] | tony426_: | 8.10 |
| [23:29:15] | ** cesman thinks tony426_ is selling mint short w/ such a description ** | |
| [23:29:16] | sphery: | if so, I'd bet you would also see it with keyboard if you used keyboard enough |
| [23:29:42] | tony426_: | no, it's more than that but it's no real core changes from ubuntu afaik |
| [23:29:43] | sphery: | 8.10 is definitely one that a lot of people are seeing the non-responsiveness during playback issue on |
| [23:30:03] | iamlindoro: | someone was in here with it last week, ISTR they are running some ancient revision of .21 |
| [23:30:10] | iamlindoro: | Octoberish |
| [23:30:25] | tony426_: | how do i find out my version? |
| [23:30:31] | iamlindoro: | mythbackend --version |
| [23:30:57] | tony426_: | 0.21.20080304–1 |
| [23:31:02] | sphery: | Octoberish would be old enough to be affected by the gnome-screensaver ugliness |
| [23:31:09] | sphery: | that's not version!!!! |
| [23:31:10] | iamlindoro: | That's the version, now revision |
| [23:31:13] | sphery: | mythbackend --version |
| [23:31:22] | tony426_: | oops, it's 18722 |
| [23:31:30] | sphery: | update to 19222 or higher, then |
| [23:31:43] | tony426_: | will i have to redo my settings and all? |
| [23:31:48] | sphery: | and/or delete gnome-screensaver-command ;) |
| [23:31:55] | sphery: | nope |
| [23:32:01] | tony426_: | sure, i don't use it |
| [23:32:03] | sphery: | it will just work better |
| [23:32:08] | tony426_: | if it is in fact causing the bug |
| [23:32:13] | sphery: | don't delete it for real--it will mess up your package manager |
| [23:32:47] | tony426_: | it's not in the repos though. so i have to compile it or is there a deb file? |
| [23:32:50] | sphery: | if the package manager allows you to completely uninstall gnome-screensaver (and doing so uninstalls gnome-screensaver-command), that would work, but don't just mess with it |
| [23:33:09] | sphery: | I know that it's available for Ubuntu users... Can't say more than that, though. |
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| [23:33:23] | sphery: | I think they have r195xx available |
| [23:33:30] | iamlindoro: | plus they have weeklies |
| [23:34:09] | tony426_: | so a newer version is in the repos? brb, i'll edit my sources list |
| [23:35:14] | tony426_: | i suppose it's generally safe to enable "intrepid-proposed"? |
| [23:35:45] | sphery: | I'll leave you in more capable hands (I'm Ubuntu-clueless)... |
| [23:36:11] | tony426_: | i enabled it and it says it's already installed. i suppose i have the latest even in the proposed packages |
| [23:36:26] | iamlindoro: | Go enable the mythbuntu weekly repository |
| [23:36:33] | tony426_: | how? |
| [23:36:44] | iamlindoro: | by reading the instructions on the mythbuntu web site and following them |
| [23:36:54] | iamlindoro: | (presuming mint is more or less ubuntu) |
| [23:37:32] | iamlindoro: | Can't be more verbose as, even though I run Ubuntu on a few systems, everything of value is compiled from source |
| [23:37:39] | iamlindoro: | myth included |
| [23:37:47] | tony426_: | i did before and sorry to say, it's a clusterfsk. i couldn't find anything |
| [23:39:16] | iamlindoro: | couldn't find instructions? |
| [23:39:41] | iamlindoro: | http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds |
| [23:39:44] | tony426_: | nvm, it was the mythtv site i was thinking of |
| [23:39:45] | iamlindoro: | Took me about 15 seconds |
| [23:40:11] | tony426_: | sorry, i'm kind of ADD. i get trailed off course easliy |
| [23:40:11] | iamlindoro: | ah |
| [23:41:03] | tony426_: | thanks. this is what i've been trying to find the past few days but every time i try, i wind up on something else |
| [23:41:09] | dustybin: | who is lindoro? |
| [23:41:43] | iamlindoro: | wikipedia knows |
| [23:42:02] | ** dustybin checks before dagmar announces im a troll ** | |
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| [23:42:21] | iamlindoro: | You are a troll |
| [23:42:34] | dustybin: | what is a troll? |
| [23:42:36] | tony426_: | i'm trying the first wget command and getting "gpg: can't open `': No such file or directory" |
| [23:42:37] | iamlindoro: | I'm just waiting for you to build up momentum and say something really silly |
| [23:42:58] | iamlindoro: | tony426_, Sounds like your cut and paste or typing went bad |
| [23:43:58] | iamlindoro: | specifically, the WHOLE thing should be on one line |
| [23:44:05] | iamlindoro: | wget http://mythbuntu.org/files/EEED06D0.gpg && sudo apt-key add EEED06D0.gpg && rm EEED06D0.gpg |
| [23:44:44] | dustybin: | OUT OF MEMORY |
| [23:44:45] | dustybin: | READY |
| [23:44:47] | dustybin: | [] |
| [23:45:17] | tony426_: | iamlindoro, that worked, thanks. i don't know why but even sudo apt-key add it wouldn't let me do |
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| [23:45:50] | iamlindoro: | that's because sudo apt-key add isn't the full command |
| [23:46:01] | tony426_: | oops, i just realized i didn't paste enough. i've been up all night and too much coffee, i suppose |
| [23:46:25] | iamlindoro: | dustybin, WTF is wrong with you anyway? Are you just trying to needle people until your are permanently banned? |
| [23:46:41] | iamlindoro: | s/your/you/ |
| [23:47:01] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: jeeze im not that bad am i? what did i do wrong? |
| [23:47:34] | iamlindoro: | dustybin, I can't recall you *ever* adding anything of value. Every thing you have ever typed, pasted, or remarked on in here has had the intellectual level of a six year old |
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| [23:47:52] | dustybin: | i been busy working |
| [23:47:57] | iamlindoro: | And even when I go out of my way to try to be *kind* to you it ends up blowing up in my face |
| [23:48:05] | dustybin: | i have plans for a mythtv .22 theme |
| [23:48:14] | iamlindoro: | so could you *please* do us all a favor and either go away or stop talking? |
| [23:48:22] | dustybin: | jeeze :-( |
| [23:48:26] | tony426_: | alright, i'm updating now. ready to get some mythbusters up in this pc |
| [23:48:49] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: i didnt mean to upset anyone |
| [23:49:06] | iamlindoro: | dustybin, of course you did. You know full well when you're saying things just to get on people's nerves |
| [23:49:13] | tony426_: | should i log out, restart mysql, or something before i try it? |
| [23:49:20] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: you are wrong |
| [23:49:42] | iamlindoro: | tony426_, Only a backend and/or frontend restart should be necessary |
| [23:50:01] | iamlindoro: | dustybin, I've gone through all my dustybin calories for the day, talk to someone else |
| [23:50:02] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: yes sometimes i do joke, try and cheer you guys up, but it doesnt work |
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| [23:53:30] | tony426_: | how do i restart the backend? mythtv-backend restart doesn't work |
| [23:53:46] | iamlindoro: | /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart |
| [23:53:50] | tony426_: | nor does /etc/init.d/mythbackend restart, or myth-bckend restart |
| [23:54:09] | tony426_: | thanks, that worked |
| [23:54:38] | mzb_d800: | tony426: do you realise that there is auto-complete on the command line? |
| [23:55:07] | tony426_: | why do the names change so much in distros? seems like it happens so much when i google, the commands don't work for different distros or versions |
| [23:55:11] | mzb_d800: | eg: # /e[tab]/in[tab].[tab]/myt[tab] |
| [23:55:31] | mzb_d800: | why are there so many variants of "English" ? ;) |
| [23:55:34] | iamlindoro: | because you are googling init scripts, which are written by packagers |
| [23:55:41] | tony426_: | yes, i tried it but it wasn't completing anything like myth-backend |
| [23:55:55] | iamlindoro: | tony426_, if you had typed myth then tab, you would have gotten it |
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| [23:56:11] | mzb_d800: | press tab twice to see possible matches |
| [23:56:12] | iamlindoro: | if there's more than one option, you can tap tab a couple of times in quick succession and it will print the options |
| [23:56:27] | mzb_d800: | *snap* |
| [23:56:41] | mzb_d800: | ;) gday iamlindoro |
| [23:56:46] | iamlindoro: | morning mzb |
| [23:56:48] | tony426_: | oh, i just had to push tab multiple times |
| [23:57:06] | tony426_: | yeah, i'm a dunce |
| [23:57:18] | mzb_d800: | yay ... well that's my good deed for the day ... back to my (re)build ;) |
| [23:57:43] | mzb_d800: | (now I can be a pita for the rest of the day;)) |
| [23:57:51] | iamlindoro: | oh and he will ;) |
| [23:57:57] | tony426_: | oh heck yeah, it's running smooth now |
| [23:58:00] | tony426_: | thanks guys |
| [23:58:17] | tony426_: | no more choppiness when using the remote |
| [23:58:48] | tony426_: | any devs here, thanks for writing this |
| [23:58:57] | tony426_: | *coding* |
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| [23:59:29] | mzb_d800: | well woman pregnant, she can't walk (hurt leg), and she can't watch tv (me rebuilding mythtv system) ... it won't take much to get into trouble ;) |
| [23:59:42] | iamlindoro: | better start cleaning/cooking |
| [23:59:56] | iamlindoro: | and order the flowers now |
| [23:59:57] | mzb_d800: | already done the washing |
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