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Thursday, March 5th, 2009, 00:02 UTC

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_styelz:

http://hdhomerun.com.au/ yay

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iamlindoro:

Yep, out a few weeks ago and to my knowledge already works in myth

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_styelz:

awseome. just ordered one

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Darkstar:

hi all

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Darkstar:

I had a bit of a problem compiling mythtv on kubuntu and I was wondering if somebody could shine some light ont he situation

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Darkstar:

I have a Hauppauge HD--PVR and the --enable-hdpvr option in configure fails with Unknown option "--enable-hdpvr"

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Darkstar:

I can view my video source using VLC but I can't select hdpvr as my capture card in mythbackend

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Darkstar:

If it matters, I'm using the svn mythtv-release-0-21-fixes release as of last night

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IceWewe:

why compile myth?

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iamlindoro:

There's no HD-PVR support in .21

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IceWewe:

install it from the ubuntu repos

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IceWewe:

there is

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iamlindoro:

no. There's not.

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iamlindoro:

Promise.

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IceWewe:

oh, HD-PVR

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IceWewe:

sorry, thought we were discussing the HVR series

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IceWewe:

my mistake

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Darkstar:

i was under the impression there was from reading the wiki

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IceWewe:

(sorry)

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Darkstar:

:(

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iamlindoro:

Darkstar, What wiki was that?

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Darkstar:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HD-PVR

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iamlindoro:

Darkstar, Where does it mention .21 there?

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iamlindoro:

"MythTV SVN Trunk now includes support for the HD-PVR."

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Darkstar:

I assumed it would be kept up to date

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iamlindoro:

it is up to date

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iamlindoro:

releases don't get new features, and the HD-PVR was released after .21

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iamlindoro:

only the development branch includes HD-PVR support

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Darkstar:

.22 is the trunk?

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iamlindoro:

trunk is trunk, there is no .22 yet, but trunk is what will become .22

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Darkstar:

i never figured a dev branch would be a trunk

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Darkstar:

oh

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Darkstar:

i see

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gbee:

no trunk will be 0.22, 0.22 doesn't exist yet

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Darkstar:

i was unaware

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iamlindoro:

gbee, I think I just said that ;)

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Darkstar:

i guess that's where my confusion kicked in

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Darkstar:

thanks a lot, guys :)

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Darkstar:

i'll grab that and compile it

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iamlindoro:

don't compile or run trunk unless you're planning on reading all the dev and commits lists since .21 was released and going forward

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iamlindoro:

and no user support is offered on trunk

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Darkstar:

i'll tough it out as long as i can use my hd-pvr

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Darkstar:

otherwise it's just a pretty box on top of my STB

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Darkstar:

thanks again, guys

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jams:

hey iamlindoro the day is over and not a single backup client was installed.

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jams:

good ole office politics and cleaning up others peoples mistakes got in the way

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iamlindoro:

niiiiiice

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iamlindoro:

job security

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_styelz:

hehehehe

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Dagmar:

Only so long as you document when you were doing

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_styelz:

noooo

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Dagmar:

Fail to document, and some ker will invariably blame you for the time wasted fixing the problems they created

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Dagmar:

s/ker/jerk/;

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jams:

Dagmar- in this case the person tried to take credit for fixing their mistake and blamed it on somebody else.

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jams:

Pretty sure action will be taken

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Dagmar:

Hence, documentation

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Dagmar:

Someone in this office is trying to play games like that

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Dagmar:

They won't make it through the summer

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Dagmar:

They cost me a standard of living increase by making some completely inane claims, which officially puts them on my short list

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Dagmar:

If I'm getting special treatment by having known my boss before I started working here, he must be flogging the other shifts with a whip at least twice a week

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Dagmar:

...although I'm such a chump if they'd just stop doing slipshod work I'd forget about it

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_styelz:

then you'd have nothing to complain about

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iamlindoro:

I wish there was a way to teach people that wiki pages are not their own personal diary

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iamlindoro:

And maybe a nice wizard like "You appear to have written in the first person. Please gouge out your own eyes with chopsticks."

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_styelz:

dont make it too difficult, fingers would work

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Dagmar:

Spoons are better

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Dagmar:

Makes sure they get the *entire* eye out at once

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Dagmar:

No little leftover bits in there like eggshell fragments sitting in the kitchen sink

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_styelz:

heh

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jamiem:

can someone translate a mencoder command to ffmpeg for me?

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jamiem:

mencoder -forceidx -oac mp3lame -lameopts br=128 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vbitrate=1500:autoaspect:threads=2

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jamiem:

I tried: ffmpeg -threads 2 -vcodec mpeg4 -vtag XVID -b 1500000 -ab 128000 -acodec libmp3lame -ac 2 -y

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jamiem:

but the quality is not the same and the filesize is half the mencoder version

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Dagmar:

Wow. I tell my GF to try to get the telemarketers who keep calling to commit suicide in their cubicles and she says *I'm* a bad person.

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Dagmar:

These are telemarketers for chrissakes

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mzb_d800_:

Dagmar: just build an asterisk box and then command your computer to do all that for you :) (ie: no caller id)

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mzb_d800_:

haven't had a telemarketer since I enabled it

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mzb_d800_:

(as opposed to 3/day)

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Dagmar:

Because bringing someone to the lowest depths of despair before their manager carps at them for talk times being too long isn't something a machine can do

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Dagmar:

It takes a real misanthrope.

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Dagmar:

I have to fight telemarketers by proxy now since none of them call me anymore.

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Dagmar:

Apparently there's a global "incredible asshole" phone list and I'm on it

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jamiem:

:)

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Dagmar:

"<whispering> yeah I'm at work and my boss is a real jerk about personal calls... Man I hate that b**ch... come to think of it pretty much everyone here is a complete tool... Did you ever have one of those days where you felt like bringing a gun to work just because? I've got mine today..."

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Dagmar:

I really did try to get a guy to shoot up his office

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jamiem:

if("${TS}" = "1") { Verbose(Number is listed as telemarketer. Rejecting call.); Set(PRI_CAUSE=21); Hangup(); }

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Dagmar:

Oh the people calling her aren't so easily fooled. They had a thing where you could press '1' to add your number to their do not call list yesterday

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Dagmar:

Today the ANI reports the number is one digit higher than yesterday's

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Dagmar:

I at least managed to get her to file a complaint with the FCC

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jamiem:

avidemux is pissing me off :(

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Dagmar:

Clearly these people are into the whole avoiding call-blocking thing

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Batshua:

Hi. Anyone alive to give me some channel lock help?

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Dagmar:

If you have cable or NTSC broadcast there is no channel lock or channel scanning.

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Huijari:

Don't ask to ask, or ask if anyone is here, or if anyone is alive, or if anyone uses something. Just ask!

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Batshua:

I have cable. I have 100% signal and often, no picture.

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Batshua:

I am connected via FireWire. I am using a SA 3250 and have tried four different drivers for it.

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wagnerrp:

well this its probably encrypted, or a VOD channel with not current user

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Batshua:

at least some of the channels worked before.

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wagnerrp:

channel lock only has to do with tuner cards

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Batshua:

Okay, so nu, given I have no picture, does that problem have an angle of attack?

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Dagmar:

Perhaps.

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Dagmar:

How good is your legal division?

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Batshua:

Hm?

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wagnerrp:

complain to your cableco for blocking your firewire channels?

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Dagmar:

It's going to take a lot of lawsuits to get the cable company to unblock the channel

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Batshua:

The thing was it was working before.

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Batshua:

I had a cable box, it fried. Before it fried, it was working FINE.

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Batshua:

I could see those channels.

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Dagmar:

So on your new cable box you get no picture?

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Batshua:

Yes.

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Batshua:

Same model.

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Batshua:

one month later.

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Batshua:

same channels.

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Batshua:

other channels do work, the ones I assume are OTA

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Dagmar:

So it went for awhile with the new box and THEN you started getting no picture

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Batshua:

yes.

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Batshua:

it went for 30 minutes.

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Dagmar:

Check the backend logs and the system logs for anything relating to firewire

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Dagmar:

and/or replace your firewire card

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Batshua:

It's onboard.

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Batshua:

And brand new.

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Batshua:

The whole mythbox is ... maybe a bit past a month old.

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Dagmar:

Since you're telling me nothing in your MythTV box changed, it should be working. Therefore I blame your cable provier for having enabled 5C "protection"

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Batshua:

Balls crap and shit.

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Batshua:

so basically, I can't record anything?

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wagnerrp:

what are the quotes for? they have to protect the content from you!

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Dagmar:

Probably not

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Batshua:

Oh, lovely.

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Dagmar:

Well, if you're in the US, they're legally forbidden from enabling 5C on any channel that has a local over the air unencrypted broadcast

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Dagmar:

So, you can probably call them up to get PBS back without *too* many calls to the FTC.

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Batshua:

Right, so that's the crappy channels with no good shows. Well, maybe some good shows.

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Batshua:

but I have cable so I can get the good channels with the good shows.

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Dagmar:

So this would be why you check logs

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Batshua:

Hrm. I don't know what exactly I'd be looking for, but I'll do my best.

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Dagmar:

...because I'm wagering something on your Myth box changed that you're not really admitting to (even to yourself)

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Dagmar:

Batshua: Signs of 5C protection tend to be unsubtle at best

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Dagmar:

You'll see a message or two that when you Google them tells you more or less "ur scrood"

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Dagmar:

Well, at least until you spend $250 on an HD-PVR

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wagnerrp:

or apparently $160 at dell

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Dagmar:

REALLY?

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Dagmar:

They have it for $160?

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Batshua:

Yeah, well, I didnt' finance this project

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Batshua:

I was only allowed to have a PVR if I built it myself.

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Batshua:

... trying to teach me the value of a hands-on project.

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Dagmar:

Umm... The HD-PVR isn't a PVR.

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Dagmar:

It's just a USB box that you connect *component outputs* from your HD cable box to and it encodes the video as an h.264 stream

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Dagmar:

Basically, it's just an expensive external USB tuner

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wagnerrp:

http://forum.slickdeals.net/showthread.php?sduid=0&t=1220665

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Dagmar:

...but by george it does HD and they're not allowed to screw with the component outputs

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Batshua:

and it would do this despite my cable company's best efforts to stop me?

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wagnerrp:

rather its an expensive external capture card, no tuner

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wagnerrp:

AFAIK, the built in IR blaster is no yet working

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Batshua:

*blinks*

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wagnerrp:

but even if everything is 5c blocked

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Batshua:

if I were to get this, it would work with my mythtv setup?

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wagnerrp:

you should still be able to change channels with firewire

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Dagmar:

Batshua: It's the "analog hole" which the FCC mandated so that the early adopters who bought HDTVs that didn't have HDCP or DVI+HDCP for the "protection" wouldn't have wasted their money

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wagnerrp:

Batshua: only if you are running trunk

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Batshua:

trunk? what, a non-beta version?

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wagnerrp:

trunk... the development branch of mythtv

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Batshua:

I could install it, no?

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wagnerrp:

thats not for us to decide

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Dagmar:

Hmm... looks like Dell got Hauppauge to brand the thing so that it matches the Dell equipment http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/T . . . sku=A1749417

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Dagmar:

It's still $250 tho

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Dagmar:

Can't get slickdeals to resolve

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: yeah... i probably typed it in wrong

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wagnerrp:

lack of copy-paste into VNC and all

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wagnerrp:

anyway, its $220, and theres a 25% off coupon code

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wagnerrp:

expires at the end of march

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Dagmar:

Ah... it's forums, not forum

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wagnerrp:

my bad

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wagnerrp:

the image on the dell page i see is not rebranded

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Batshua:

If I got this thing, and I connected to my components... how does the TV get image?

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Batshua:

do I need a splitter?

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wagnerrp:

you connect the tv to your video card

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wagnerrp:

or... if you really need livetv, you get another cable box

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regicide666__:

how well does it work in myth now?

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Dagmar:

Oh ho!

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wagnerrp:

mythtv should not be run on hardware that is not dedicated

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Dagmar:

Dell is playing referrer games again

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Batshua:

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/T . . . sku=A1749417

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Batshua:

how does that differ from the one posted?

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Dagmar:

I was showing the HD-PVR available for $250 *until* I linked in from slickdeals

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Batshua:

I saw ... that in a slickdeals link

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wagnerrp:

by $30 apparently

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Dagmar:

Check THAT shifty action out

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Dagmar:

Go straight to www.dell.com manually, search for "HD-PVR" and two items show up

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Dagmar:

Go to slickdeals.net, click the link, see the "out of stock" one appear, then search for HD-PVR

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Dagmar:

Suddenly, only *one* turns up in the search instead of two

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Dagmar:

Sneaky sneaky

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Dagmar:

Man I might buy one of those later tonight just to *spite* them if the coupon code checks out

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wagnerrp:

im considering picking one up, but i really have no use for it currently

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** Batshua is now thoroughly confused **

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Dagmar:

Well, I've been planning on migrating to HD

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wagnerrp:

dont plan a need for it for a couple months

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Dagmar:

I don't really forsee the price of those dropping significantly before this fall tho

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wagnerrp:

thats why im considering it

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Dagmar:

Yeah I wasn't planning on worrying about it until Fall but I have to say the opportunity to screw Dell out of some money is something I find incredibly appealing

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Dagmar:

'cuz 25% off 249 is still 187

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Batshua:

I'm confused. They're both listed a part# 1212.

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Batshua:

they appear to have different features, wherein the less expensive one comes with a remote

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Dagmar:

THey both come with remotes

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Dagmar:

They're both the exact same thing

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wagnerrp:

they should have identical features

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wagnerrp:

there is only the one unit

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Dagmar:

Dell plays a lot of games with part numbers and promo codes

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Dagmar:

About the only issue of significance is it looks like Dell may have gotten Hauppauge to make a blue/black model so that it will color coordinate with their other computer parts

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iamlindoro:

The original is blue black and grey-- I don't see anything in the picture different from mine

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Batshua:

contemplating this. provided that I get approved to make this purchase, could I hook it up like a DVD player — that is, components to the TV — would it still work?

[02:03:44]

Batshua:

the people in charge of the money in this house are very annoyed about this project at this stage.

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wagnerrp:

hook it up like a dvd player?

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Batshua:

so I want to be clear on the situation and not make them promises I can't keep.

[02:04:02]

wagnerrp:

are you thinking this has video outputs?

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Batshua:

no, I was assuming I might be lucky enough to have it loop through.

[02:04:27]

wagnerrp:

yes, you can, and should not loop it through

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wagnerrp:

mythtv needs dedicated access to hardware

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Batshua:

I was sort of hoping I could have cake and eat it too.

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Dagmar:

This "deal" will last a few days more

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Batshua:

Well, I wouldn't watch /another/ show while recording.

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wagnerrp:

a STB used by mythtv should only ever be used by mythtv

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Batshua:

uh oh.

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Dagmar:

Finish digging through the system logs to be sure something didn't just break in your config

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Batshua:

Will do. I will probably call in assistance for that stage.

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JEDIDIAH__:

watching /another/ show while recording is kind of the point of a PVR/Tivo/MythTV/MCE

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JEDIDIAH__:

...record now, watch it mebbe next month.

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** sandeen looks at his mythfilldatabase segfaults and wonders what is going on **

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sphery:

So, I have to wonder if the captioning techs actually think about/pay attention to the dialog as they're keying it in... From T:TSCC, "What are you guys some kind of a ... Bonnie & Clyde type operation?" (no answer) "I said, was that your client on the phone?" Really? They couldn't figure out what work "client" was supposed to be?

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jpabq:

sphery: ever seen Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon? The subtitles rarely match the english audio track. Guess it is not a big surprised since it is a foreign film....

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sphery:

I got a copy of it (on VCR) from a hotel kiosk (at a hotel where they were free) years ago, but it was only subtitled--there was no English audio track, so I didn't watch/read it. :) I'll have to keep an eye out if I see it on DVD.

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jpabq:

There were actually two different versions of DVD. One had an english audio track available, and the other didn't.

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iamlindoro:

Wonder when they'll catch doucheface from Sudan

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sphery:

In general, though, I find that the captions done by not-for-profits (Nactional Captioning Institute (NCI), WGBH Media Access Group, ...) to be much more accurate than the ones done by for-profit corps (to remain nameless).

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iamlindoro:

I think you named them when you named their show ;)

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sphery:

Good thing I'm not typing in captions, now... Lots of typos... ("Nactional" "work" (instead of "word"))

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sphery:

iamlindoro: well, I didn't name them explicitly, so one would have to either watch the last 10 seconds of T:TSCC with captions or search to find out who does their captions. :)

[04:01:16]

sphery:

but, yeah, they tend to be very not accurate

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iamlindoro:

Curse my west coast get TV after everybodyness

[04:05:27]

iamlindoro:

I have to find all sorts of productive things to do until Lost comes on

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sphery:

Lost without this week's episode?

[04:05:37]

iamlindoro:

indeed

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sphery:

I still haven't started this season, yet.

[04:06:34]

sphery:

Might do it this week--I'm on a "not garbage" TV kick, so I'm watching shows I like. (Unfortunately, I'm running out of "not garbage," now, too.)

[04:06:52]

iamlindoro:

Yet another one of my shows falls to the reaper this week, sigh

[04:06:55]

iamlindoro:

fell, that is

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sphery:

which is that?

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iamlindoro:

Life on Mars

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sphery:

wow... just saw that recording a little bit ago.

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Dagmar:

Plot really isn't going anywhere. I'm not suprised

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iamlindoro:

I disagree completely, I thought it was absolutely going places

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Dagmar:

Like, 1975?

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sphery:

Though, speak of the Devil (so to speak), I was so happy that Reaper finally aired this week.

[04:08:31]

sphery:

If you watch Reaper that's even funnier...

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iamlindoro:

sphery, I don't, doesn't seem like it'd be my thing

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sphery:

Reaper is about a guy who works for the Devil. You said, "fell to the reaper," so "speak of the Devil" fits and when I talked about Reaper, I was speaking of the Devil, too..

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sphery:

maybe just funny to me.

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iamlindoro:

sphery, Yeah, I got it in spite of my not watching :)

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sphery:

I completely hate web ads... I disabled Flash because I don't care to have animated ads in my browser, but I'm willing to get plain image ads. So, some genious (pronounced quite differently from how it's spelled) decides that ads on machines without Flash should be multiple images that are morphed/transitioned with JavaScript. Turns out to be a DOS attack on my non-accelerated-video FOSS-driver-using systems.

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sphery:

I think they're driving me to adblock

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iamlindoro:

THIEF!

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iamlindoro:

Or maybe not

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sphery:

They're thieving from me... It can literally take 30 seconds to be able to switch to the next page when I get to one of those pages. The CPU is maxed and the UI is non-responsive for a /long/ time.

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sphery:

almost makes me feel sorry for the Myth users who have that problem in playback (well, without the 100% CPU, for them, though)... ;)

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pembo13:

is it normal for mythfrontend to use 50+% CPU?

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sphery:

doing what?

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sphery:

for playback it's quite likely to use that for certain types of video on certain types of processors

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sphery:

if you're talking about while sitting at the menu, it's also possible (with, er, "underpowered" systems and the wrong choice of Theme)

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pembo13:

sphery: playback of tv, mythbackend also on sam emachine

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pembo13:

P4 3.0GHz with 3.5 GB of RAM

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sphery:

what type of TV?

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sphery:

high-def?

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pembo13:

hm

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pembo13:

i have two cards

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pembo13:

no , both standard def

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pembo13:

one is a frame grabber, the other is an mpeg encoder

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sphery:

so 50% when doing LiveTV?

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sphery:

(versus just playing back a recording?)

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sphery:

if so, that's quite expected when using a frame grabber

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pembo13:

ok

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iamlindoro:

The first of many horrible disappointments in using a framegrabber

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pembo13:

i suspect i'm on the frame grabber, it's my lower priority card

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pembo13:

i mean i've been using it for awhile

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sphery:

if you use the menu (M) to change to the next card, does the CPU drop (if I'm right and it's the frame grabber/encoding causing the CPU load, switching to the next card will put you on the MPEG encoder, so the CPU load will be quite light)

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pembo13:

but between the backend, frontend open office and firefox, , and kde 4, i'm staritng to crawl

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pembo13:

sphery: i'll try that when the mpeg card isn' recording

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pembo13:

it should be right now

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sphery:

yeah, if you're doing desktop stuff on your mythfrontend (and especially if it's a combined frontend/backend), you'll want lots or RAM--though 3.5GB should be sufficient

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sphery:

strange number, though...

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sphery:

you might actually get better performance if you pull some RAM out (i.e. if your mobo does dual-channel RAM, you want matched sticks)

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sphery:

Wow... Just looked at my web logs. It's amazing that I'm still getting 1–2 requests for the backup/restore scripts (that were there for a short time before getting into SVN). Did my good deed and set up a redirect to the wiki page.

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sphery:

that's 1–2 requests per day

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** justinh chuckles at the comment on Brown's US visit: "He's just not that into you" **

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justinh:

ffs. now the company has a youtube channel so we can all see exactly why there was no xmas bonus: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2l5C5QeylM

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Dibblah:

I blame the BRIGHT BLUE LED.

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Dibblah:

Heh. www.ad-group.co.uk) could not be found. Please check the name and try again.

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justinh:

they argue that using SSD is better for public transport... because it withstands impact better :)

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Dagmar:

There's a boss in Darnassus? Heh

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justinh:

gbee: maybe another image to ape: http://regmedia.co.uk/2009/03/04/foxsat_hdr_5.jpg

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justinh:

and http://regmedia.co.uk/2009/03/04/foxsat_hdr_6.jpg &ndash ; strangely no images of a recordings list

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justinh:

OMFG. Eew http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadgethd.com/med . . . dvr10_md.jpg

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gbee:

hmm, might do, haven't got an example for the search screens yet

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gbee:

higher res source would be nice, can't actually make out what those icons to the right of the search screenshot are

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justinh:

not the FIOS one I hope. god, that was just a big jumble IMHO

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clever:

the old search on my cable box was horid

[11:02:03]

clever:

you had to select each letter in the word with the up/down arrows

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clever:

and it didnt realy search, just jump to the point in the list of ALL SHOWS that started with what you entered

[11:03:54]

justinh:

better than nothing. Well, almost :P

[11:04:24]

clever:

they recently did a major firmware upgrade

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clever:

the whole ui has been overhauled

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clever:

seems alot faster now

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** awilkins hath decreed that Gentoo is dead **

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justinh:

you realise that now you've said that, thousands of leet haxxors are going to have to switch to arch? Think before you make decrees man!

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awilkins:

Happily, my database is still at schema 1215, which is one trivial change from the 1214 that 21-fixes supports

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** awilkins is torrenting MythBuntu **

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clever:

i just run trunk on everything!

[11:07:42]

awilkins:

Well, I may run trunk soon

[11:07:53]

awilkins:

But for the time being, 21-fixes will do

[11:08:13]

awilkins:

But having a platform I can actually build it on would be nice

[11:08:29]

awilkins:

Gentoo is just so broken now it's sad

[11:08:39]

justinh:

when it breaks, you may aswell just reinstall

[11:08:54]

awilkins:

There are bugs in the ebuilds that have been there for at least 6 months

[11:09:00]

justinh:

and when you reinstall, you really do question whether you have time to wait for everything

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sulx:

awilkins: archlinux may be for you then =)

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awilkins:

Is archlinux another one of those build-to-order source-distros?

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justinh:

I upgraded my backend a while back, from Dapper to $whatever. Ran fine for a few weeks, needing updates installed. Then suddenly it ran like a bag of spanners. Installed over 300 updates & it's fine again

[11:10:34]

sulx:

awilkins: no

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justinh:

where $whatever is $dontcare but it's got qt4 packages

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awilkins:

I may try Mythbuntu first

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sulx:

justinh: rolling release ftw =)

[11:11:23]

clever:

awilkins: i havent seen any of those bugs

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clever:

what packages?

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awilkins:

clever: i) All the x11 packages demand FONT_DIR gets set. Nothing sets it. You can install x11 packages before you install any fonts, so it could potentiall never get set

[11:12:24]

clever:

i never ran into that problem

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awilkins:

clever: ii) The com_err and ss packages block libe2fsprogs, but if you unmerge them so you can install it, it breaks wget (that was what lead me to hose it in the first place)

[11:12:53]

clever:

X11 started up just fine and i had no problem stealing /home/ from ubuntu and getting things to look/work identicaly to ubuntu

[11:13:10]

clever:

i had that and fixed it

[11:13:20]

awilkins:

I had that and bungled it badly

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clever:

i went to #gentoo and the link explaining the fix was right in the topic:P

[11:13:54]

awilkins:

The thing is, it's been like that for over 6 months

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clever:

i thought they fixed it shortly afterwards

[11:14:19]

awilkins:

Little things – like no search box on the packages website, for over a year

[11:14:32]

awilkins:

All these things speak of a distro that no longer receives enough love

[11:15:03]

justinh:

yeah. distros need love to counteract all the hate

[11:15:05]

awilkins:

It has a special place in me, because it was the only distro that supported my hardware when I first built my Myth box

[11:15:25]

awilkins:

And it taught me Linux because you have to know enough to even use it

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clever:

ive been working on converting my frontends to gentoo

[11:15:40]

clever:

but the current problem is the ide drivers are broken

[11:15:53]

clever:

i compiled too much out of the kernel and now i cant get it back

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awilkins:

You need to reboot from the livecd and chroot back in and rebuild the kernel

[11:16:23]

clever:

its network booting

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clever:

so i can just chroot in at the nfs server

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awilkins:

fairy snuff

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clever:

and the client end will still boot without ide support

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clever:

but i cant access swap

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clever:

and without swap, i dont have enough ram to even relink the kernel

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awilkins:

Sounds like you need to rig up a cross-compiler

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clever:

so ive had to do all the compiling in the server within the chroot

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awilkins:

I presume this is some kind of teensy media player thingy

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clever:

server and client are x86 so theres no need to cross-compile

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awilkins:

This is the good thing about gentoo IMHO

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awilkins:

It teaches you to be ingenious and self-sufficient in the face of Linux problems

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clever:

ive allready built 1 system from source without any automation:P

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awilkins:

But the MythTV box has such high WAF, that outages are not really tolerable

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justinh:

never mind WAF. WTF about JAF?

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justinh:

J has a lower tolerance to problems than W :P

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awilkins:

Juveniles?

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awilkins:

Ah

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awilkins:

WAF and DAF are very important here

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justinh:

my frontend is still throwing weppies during playback sometimes. Like it's in the wrong fscking video mode or something. Randomly, it seems. Worked fine for ages

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awilkins:

weppies ?

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justinh:

weppies

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awilkins:

Oh, what resolution do you guys run your frontend in?

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awilkins:

I've been using 1024x768 for ages

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awilkins:

And what's a weppie?

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justinh:

a fit

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awilkins:

AH

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GreyFoxx:

1368x766 (native res of the flatscreen) and 800x600 on the 4:3 sdtv's

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awilkins:

I get this thing where it never caches enough in the look-ahead buffer and I get jumpy playback until I wind it back one jump (livetv)

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justinh:

720x576

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sulx:

1920x1080

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awilkins:

I found that 800x600 was too small for the UI, personally

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justinh:

meh

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justinh:

other people do

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awilkins:

Is the qt4 stuff all vector-graphics?

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justinh:

no

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GreyFoxx:

mzb_d800_:600 is the native myth res for 4:3

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awilkins:

ie – would it look the same in any res

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GreyFoxx:

so if stuff doesn'\t fit it should be fixed

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awilkins:

My GPU won't do widescreen res

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GreyFoxx:

awilkins: nope I don't believe so

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justinh:

my 720x576 is for a wide 32" CRT

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justinh:

works fine thanks

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awilkins:

I have to stretch, my GPU only does 4:3

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justinh:

but then I knew a thing or two about what to edit in xml files

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awilkins:

But that works just fine

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awilkins:

How's the remote support in MythBuntu?

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justinh:

no distro supports my remote out of the box :)

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justinh:

er.. no _released_ distro does I mean ;)

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awilkins:

I think I'll be making a PPA with any customizations I put in

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awilkins:

That way I'll always have a backup if it goes caput again

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awilkins:

Is the Qt4 stuff nippier than the older version?

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justinh:

nope

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justinh:

never seemed slow to me anyway

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Dibblah:

Quite a bit slower and crashier in some people's experience.

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Dibblah:

Of course, that will be remedied soonish.

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awilkins:

Heh

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awilkins:

Mine was a bit slow and I couldn't decide if it was a "mature" filesystem or the fact that I was underclocking the box to 1400Mhz

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sid3windr:

yesterday I lost my mythtv menu :/

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awilkins:

The DB might be a bit full too, the seektable is rather large

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sid3windr:

I pressed OK and livetv still started and stuff

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sid3windr:

but when going back, only the blue background

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sid3windr:

had to quit mythfe to get it back

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justinh:

sid3windr: you've been installing diffs from my webspace :P

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sid3windr:

any known causes for this?

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sid3windr:

nope

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justinh:

lol

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sid3windr:

I am running bluetube-wide though :]

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sid3windr:

or blootube :p

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justinh:

serves you right :D

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justinh:

hell froze over & I started using Mepo

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awilkins:

I've been using the "blue swirly thing" one

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awilkins:

It's been so long I can't even remember which one it is

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justinh:

Blue

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** awilkins fires up mysql on deceased gentoo install to check **

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justinh:

used to be my favourite, that one. what happened? who knows

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awilkins:

isthmus

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justinh:

eew

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sid3windr:

:)

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awilkins:

The wife likes it

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awilkins:

And it fits well on a 4@

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awilkins:

4:3 screen stretched to wide

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justinh:

your wife has no taste :P

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awilkins:

You watch what happens when I change it

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awilkins:

"arrgh, it's all changed!"

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justinh:

yeah but what _really_ changes when you change a 0.21 theme? bugger all really

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justinh:

same layouts. same stuff displayed

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Dibblah:

Wait till 0.22 – and use Terra.

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sulx:

terra had no user friendliness...

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justinh:

wtf?

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sulx:

or maybe it just takes few months to get used to

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clever:

woot!, scrolling in the popup menus now works

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sulx:

thats just my opinion =)

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justinh:

after being so tightly regimented in fixed layouts, it's no wonder

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clever:

but several peices of key info are now missing from a few screens

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clever:

the 'subtitle' and 'date' in 'upcomming records' are now missing

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clever:

anybody know what happened?

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sulx:

justinh: partially could be

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clever:

awilkins: i had the oposite problem last week

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clever:

i unpluged the VGA cord and then it went from :0.0==crt :0.1==tv to just :0.0==tv

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clever:

so :0.1 became invalid and mythtv would crash:P

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awilkins:

Pah, the Mythbuntu installer wont use 93 series nvidia drivers

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** awilkins is glad he's the ubermeister at configuring the damn things **

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awilkins:

I hope the Hauppauge Nova-T-500 is the same kind of remote as the card I have

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awilkins:

If Hauppauge didn't damn well rename their products so much...

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** gbee wonders exactly what is meant by "terra had no user friendliness" **

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gbee:

actually no, I don't care, don't like it? Then don't use it :)

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awilkins:

One mans perfect UI is another mans headthumping brainmelter

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awilkins:

I made a load of users at work use a CLI for the first time in a decade of Windows abuse, they didn't half complain

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gbee:

it's funny though, people complained that the UI was too cluttered, too much information that they really didn't need

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gbee:

remove that stuff and everyone else complains

[12:28:21]

** awilkins hopes ferventlty that mythbuntu didn't erase his XFS partitions with all the video on **

[12:28:34]

awilkins:

I told it not to, but you never can tell....

[12:29:14]

gbee:

give people a hardcoded UI of a device like the Appletv and do they complain? Nope, because they just accept what they are given

[12:29:56]

awilkins:

To be fair, I've heard people complain about various hardcoded UI a lot

[12:30:17]

awilkins:

Remember setting a VCR?

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justinh:

a what?

[12:30:53]

awilkins:

I mean, the pinnacle of VCR setting ease was probably Videoplus

[12:30:59]

awilkins:

ANd that was RUBBISH

[12:31:20]

justinh:

too easy to mess up by having wrong channel numbers :P

[12:31:36]

justinh:

http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Heroes – finally an explanation!

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tony403:

is it normal for the channel up buttons not to work on the pvr150 remote? because the standard one in ubuntu never works, same with some other buttons

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justinh:

it would be if your lirc config is borked

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justinh:

irw tells you which buttons work, when you press each button in turn

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tony403:

they work, just not configged. is there a config you know of that has it set up just like WMC?

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gbee:

btw awilkins, I'd lay money that even if I implement SVG support for mythui, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between that and graphics based on the current base resolutions

[12:34:52]

justinh:

ruh? when you run irw does it report every button press?

[12:35:43]

justinh:

I'd be willing to bet some people would swear blind they could see a difference between a 1920x1080 bitmap & an SVG rendered to 1920x1080

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tony403:

i was sure it did. i'm not on my linux box right now so can't say for sure

[12:36:51]

awilkins:

Erk, a Very Bad Thing just happened to mythbuntu setup...

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** awilkins reboots **

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justinh:

step 1. run irw & press every remote button in turn. Be satisfied that every button press results in a unique output from irw

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tony403:

are the little buttons at the bottom supposed to work? cuz even on wmc they didn't. i'm not sure they have a purpose i know of

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justinh:

step 2. look at your lircrc & .lircrc files. Make sure the button names for functions are spelled exactly right, as irw reports them and as they're configured in /etc/lircd.conf

[12:39:03]

justinh:

step 3. pay attention 007. this isn't as hard as it sounds damnit

[12:39:31]

justinh:

step 4. whether the remote works in Windows or not MAKES NO DIFFERENCE AT ALL

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tony403:

thanks, i'll remember that

[12:40:30]

justinh:

that's all there is to it

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justinh:

really!

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tony403:

you're on here a lot. i bet you get tired of all the noobs asking questions

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mzb_d800_:

Greyfoxx: 600? huh?

[12:41:26]

justinh:

nah. what I get tired of seeing is people who never fscking learn coming back with the same stupid problems

[12:41:42]

** mzb_d800_ mumbles **

[12:42:07]

justinh:

like the folks who stuck out in your mind first time around coming back 6 months later

[12:42:11]

tony403:

i used to get in that mode sometimes with tech help in chat rooms but i'm not sure i got the patience to help people out much anymore. gotta have a calm demeanor for that

[12:42:22]

justinh:

hahahaha

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justinh:

I have outbursts of calm

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** mzb_d800_ pokes himself in the eyes **

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justinh:

the majority of people we see in here who have problems with lirc got their config files from the interwebs – and for one reason or another the names of their buttons in the respective files don't line up

[12:43:54]

gbee:

800x600 for 4:3, 1280x720 for 16:9, although those restrictions have been lifted for 0.22

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tony403:

i did the same. tried two already

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gbee:

not that it makes a difference

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justinh:

I tried that. got me absolutely ****ing nowhere. Usually the least bother to make your own

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justinh:

stops being bogged down by some clutz' idea of 'logical'

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gbee:

huh, when did the settings save/restore stuff get committed

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gbee:

?

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justinh:

hmmm? erm like restore defaults?

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justinh:

haven't built an up to date trunk for ages

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gbee:

ahh, it hasn't yet, the menu entry sneeked in through jam's description patch

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gbee:

guess I'll have to fix that :/

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awilkins:

Wow, Mythbuntu is so sosososososos much easier than it was a few years ago

[12:55:31]

awilkins:

It even downloads frickin channel icons for you now ; well done, gents

[12:55:46]

awilkins:

I remember having to hand-hack them into the database

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awilkins:

And channels

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awilkins:

Now I just need to get my fricking display working :-)

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justinh:

mythtv does the icon downloadering, not the *buntu

[13:00:28]

justinh:

xmltv grabbers can also do that

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justinh:

again, not the *buntu :)

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awilkins:

Yes, hence the "well done gents"

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awilkins:

I know it's not a buntu thing

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awilkins:

Does myth cook it's build config into the binaries so you can get "configure" to use a config from a running binary now?

[13:02:45]

k-man:

what are playback groups?

[13:02:47]

awilkins:

Or does the "previous" option use a little file in the build tree or something?

[13:02:57]

k-man:

are they documented somewhere?

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justinh:

k-man: no, nothing is ever documented. not even in the wiki

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k-man:

justinh: if thats sarcasm – i did in fact search for it on the wiki and its not there – if not, i was hoping someone could enlighten me so i could add it

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justinh:

playback groups are: groupings of programs which allow you to have different playback settings (jump amounts, timestretch etc) per groups of shows

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justinh:

group membership can be set manually, before or after recordings have taken place – or indeed by regex

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k-man:

justinh: are they different groups to recording groups? or playback settings applied to recording groups?

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justinh:

they'

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justinh:

gah. they're different to recording groups. that's why they're not called recording groups

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k-man:

ok – just checking

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justinh:

maybe you can set playback group membership to follow rec group membership.. I've never used it that way

[13:07:45]

k-man:

where do you define playback groups?

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k-man:

oh – never mind, found it

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k-man:

hmm – i can see how to to change playback group, but not how to create new groups

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awilkins:

Would the dev guys be interesting in evaluating a DVCS? e.g, Bazaar?

[13:10:35]

justinh:

DVCS?

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awilkins:

You have a lot of branching in this project, as I recall

[13:10:42]

awilkins:

Distributed version control system

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justinh:

from what I know, they're very happy with subversion

[13:11:30]

awilkins:

I was very happy with svn until I needed to use a DVCS for an internal project

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awilkins:

It had lots of branching and very big trees

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justinh:

k-man: utils/setup > setup > T VSettings > Playback Groups

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justinh:

awilkins: I like cutting trees down

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k-man:

justinh: thanks

[13:12:25]

awilkins:

svn didn't have the extended merge support at the time and the size of the tree made it very slow anyway

[13:12:27]

laga:

please send an email to mythtv-dev. "i demand you guys use bzr"

[13:12:32]

laga:

it's going to be hilarious

[13:12:41]

k-man:

hehe

[13:12:45]

awilkins:

:-P

[13:12:47]

k-man:

maybe also suggest git?

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justinh:

speaking of cutting trees down. I'm off to Screwfix to buy me a new chainsaw

[13:13:03]

justinh:

turns out I'm not as skint as I thought I was :)

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awilkins:

I like bzr because it works better on Windows than git does

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awilkins:

And I alas, still have to support windows

[13:13:48]

awilkins:

Ah well, when I get the bzr-svn stuff working I can use bzr on myth without anyone knowing anyway :-)

[13:14:16]

awilkins:

Anyone tried that new Qt IDE? Seems like a winner for myth as well

[13:14:52]

justinh:

dunno what's so wrong with $texteditor

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gbee:

new QT IDE?

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justinh:

gbee: yeah el reg plugged it yesterday

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awilkins:

It's called "Qt IDE", spookily

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** gbee goes a searching **

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awilkins:

I watched some of their "big it up" video

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awilkins:

It looks very nice

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awilkins:

I also discovered that Qt is pronounced "cute"

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awilkins:

or "queue-teh"

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justinh:

stupid effing pronounciation nazis

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awilkins:

I've just been blithely calling it "cutie" for years

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justinh:

I proclaim it shall hereforth be pronounced MEH

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gbee:

sounds similar to KDevelop and of the 6 features listed I'd never use 5

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** awilkins dares someone to set the topic in #mythtv to "Qt is now called MEH" **

[13:18:57]

justinh:

as in my sequel.. like MS is spoken "MUZZ", and "ubuntu" is just a series of high-pitched clicks

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gbee:

"C++ editor" ... well yes, but how is that different from a text editor "visual designer, source-code management, and project and build management tools." ... nope

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awilkins:

Does your text editor do autocomplete?

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jduggan:

it can do

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jduggan:

:o

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awilkins:

vim? emacs?

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gbee:

it does, but I've never used it

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jduggan:

vim

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awilkins:

I thing good autocomplete i s probably the most imporatant feature of any rich editor these days

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awilkins:

As much as I like vim

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awilkins:

I quite like rich editors that offer a vim-mode

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gbee:

good find & search/replace are more valuable to me

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awilkins:

That's also useful, but the need can be reduced a bit by a good refactoring thingy

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jduggan:

i've used vi since my father showed me a unix terminal and how to edit text files when i was a kid.. i use it for simple text editing and coding to this day

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jduggan:

never felt a need to use anything else

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gbee:

not for what I mostly use it for

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** Dibblah is a joe guy. **

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awilkins:

I think there's room for at boths ends for simple/powerful and big/easy/powerful

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Dibblah:

Wordstar bindings ftw :)

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** awilkins used to use Wordperfect 5.1 and carry an f-key strip with him at all times at Uni **

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awilkins:

Now I have to carry a nice vim cheatsheet

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mzb_d800_:

nice to be young enough to have been taught these things, I guess

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gbee:

painful memories

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** mzb_d800_ crawls across the room and snaps his walking stick in half **

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k-man:

here's my paltry addition to the wiki http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Playback_Groups

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awilkins:

Paltry or not, that's the kind of user to have in your project, well done, dude

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k-man:

thanks awilkins

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awilkins:

Even good bug reports have immense value

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mzb_d800_:

k-man: aw ... no pictures? ;)

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k-man:

i even added "see also" links

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k-man:

mzb_d800_: nah – thats too much for me

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mzb_d800_:

heh, even a "you are here" arrow would do me ;)

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k-man:

if i had the energy, I'd write a sort of overview of the goups

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k-man:

theres so many groups in mythtv – its quite confusing

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k-man:

and, you can edit recording groups on the fly, but you don't seem to be able to do that with playback groups

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** mzb_d800_ shoots 100mg of special-k into k-man **

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mzb_d800_:

(crushed cornflakes never hurt anyone!)

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mzb_d800_:

nm

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k-man:

as long as they have full fat milk, i don't mind

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k-man:

i hate skim milk

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mzb_d800_:

must be too late/early/wrong-century for my sense of humour ;)

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mzb_d800_:

yeah, as it is 4% is barely enough!

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awilkins:

Dammit, IT services are binding windows hotkeys to fricking vim key combos

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awilkins:

I'm being spamming with their stupid whoami application popup

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awilkins:

awesome

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k-man:

it would be nice if there was an easy way to move a recording to a recording group and at the same time, mark that show to go to that recording group for all future recordings of it

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justinh:

it would be nice if all the voices in my head would just STFU

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awilkins:

k-man is your gut talking, not your head. I'm your left temporal lobe, I should know

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k-man:

huh?

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justinh:

it's not one of the things that takes very much effort to do, moving things between groups & creating new ones

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k-man:

justinh: well – no, it doesn't

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k-man:

but a typical use case, imho, would be that you are creating a group for say, News – once you move a news program to that group, you then have to do another step to make that news program be placed in the group in future

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justinh:

we'd all like things to take less effort

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k-man:

well – i'm just letting the world know my idea

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k-man:

thats all

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justinh:

I mean typing ... why can't we just be able to THINK the words onto the computer?

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justinh:

and then when that's possible... oh God. Having to think the individual words.. it's so much effort :P

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k-man:

i agree its not much effort for one show

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k-man:

but if you have lots of shows you want to organise, its quite a lot of work

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k-man:

having said that

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k-man:

i don't have time to code a fix for it so... ill just do it the slow way

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justinh:

if ($genre like horsecrap) { set recordinggroup = "wifey"; set playbackgroup = "wifes"; defaultPlaySpeed = 200; }

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awilkins:

Can you select out of one mysql db into another?

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justinh:

no I can't. somebody who knows what they're doing may be able to though

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awilkins:

I've got an old DB and I've decided to just put the old "recorded" data into the new db rather than use the whole thing

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awilkins:

That way I have a relative fresh mew steup

[14:00:03]

awilkins:

That way I have a relative fresh mew setup

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awilkins:

Oops

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awilkins:

Although it should be compatible, it's nearly the same schema (and the difference is one field nulled out)

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k-man:

anyway

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k-man:

i'm off to bed – night all

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awilkins:

nighty night

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JEDIDIAH__:

you gotta be careful about just ripping data out of one database and dropping it into another. there should be relationships that would be broken by that.

[14:09:02]

JEDIDIAH__:

just mind the minefield you're treading in...

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awilkins:

I'm minding :-)

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awilkins:

There are a minimum of relations involved though ; the hardest part is going to be the paths

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awilkins:

All backed up anyway

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** awilkins is now wondering why his old DB is in latin1_swedish_ci **

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awilkins:

Does mythtv just try each storage group when asked to play back files? The recorded table just has filenames, not paths

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jams:

yes

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awilkins:

Ok, that removes a step from my plan, huzzah

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cityLights1:

hi, ok, last night I came to the conclution that my graphic card was too old for mythtv

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cityLights1:

I got a ATI RV250 and an RV280

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cityLights1:

these are AGP cards, and my cpu in a pentium4 with HT

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cityLights1:

yet the livetv breaks

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cityLights1:

I can't get the FGLX modules to build againt the current kernel 2.6.28 , so what graphics card should I buy?

[15:03:02]

cityLights1:

nVidia i am guessing

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awilkins:

nvidia are certainly the best supported

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cityLights1:

right – will a 5200 card do? is there a overlay issue with the 6200 ?

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awilkins:

Even supercraptasitcally old nvidia cards have enough grunt

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awilkins:

I'm running on an onboard GF4MX

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cityLights1:

so I should test with a GF4MX?

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awilkins:

If you have one!

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cityLights1:

I can get one

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awilkins:

I have this nice old uATX mobo with a GF4MX and tv out

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cityLights1:

so the issue is not ATI vs Nvidia but rather the propriety driver?

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awilkins:

Pretty much, yes

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awilkins:

The nvidia driver supports XvMC and does so well

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cityLights1:

it Overlay a feature that is missing in nvidia 6xxx serires?

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awilkins:

It's a shame, what with their multitude of combo GPU/tuner cards that ATI don't support them in Linux better

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awilkins:

I don't know

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cityLights1:

you meen that ATI proprity driver sucks – right>?

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awilkins:

I don't have very much experience with it

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awilkins:

But that's what I heard

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awilkins:

I've avoided ATI graphics hardware on my Linux boxes mostly

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awilkins:

Ever since an All-in-wonder refused to tune on linux

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cityLights1:

ok, thanks

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awilkins:

For myth boxes, old hardware is fine, especially if you are on digital TV

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JEDIDIAH__:

all the nvidia cards seem to have nice performance enhancements (for mythtv) as well as the best degree of configuration flexibility, plus generally good 2D/3D performance.

[15:21:32]

JEDIDIAH__:

an ancient nvidia card stomps all over an ancient ATI card.

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gbee:

especially since ATI aren't releasing drivers for the older cards anymore, so you don't get the benefit of their improved linux support

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JEDIDIAH__:

you might run into similar problems with older nvidia cards but there were at least decent drivers at some point in the past.

[15:36:47]

JEDIDIAH__:

I recall some sort of legacy support shenanigan when dealing with the nv7100 on my AppleTV.

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JEDIDIAH__:

OTOH, "liberating" an AppleTV is a whole shenanigan by itself...

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keith4:

mmmm, shenanigans

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Chiliblack:

is it?

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Chiliblack:

I guess it all depends on what you mean by liberating

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JEDIDIAH__:

liberating? Getting an appliance to boot another OS.

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Chiliblack:

ok

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JEDIDIAH__:

...not quite jailbreaking.

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keith4:

well, at this point it should be as easy as following someone else's howto

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keith4:

with pretty pictures and everything

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JEDIDIAH__:

you could say the same thing about building a implosion nuke.

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keith4:

trickier to find that one on google, though (i hope?)

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Chiliblack:

not sure the pictures would be so pretty

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keith4:

JEDIDIAH__: were you ever able to get decent performance out of myth on the AppleTV?

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JEDIDIAH__:

the appletv works quite acceptably under Myth. I attribute this to the nv7100.

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keith4:

standard def?

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JEDIDIAH__:

it seems to do better with mythui than my minimacs do.

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keith4:

wow. that's interesting

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JEDIDIAH__:

SD up to h264, HD up to divx

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awilkins:

yegods, blootube takes _ages_ to rescale

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** awilkins supposes it's all the pretty pictures in it **

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awilkins:

And I'm hammering it by rebuilding my entire seektable too

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gbee:

!seen justinh

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MythLogBot:

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wagnerrp:

did anyone record chuck on tuesday?

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wagnerrp:

epguides says there was a new episode tuesday

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wagnerrp:

but instead, i had a special two hour showing of fat bastards

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iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp: The guide at TV.com shows just one for this week, on Monday, which I recorded (Chuck versus the beefcake) and the next one after that is for next monday

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iamlindoro_:

(chuck versus the lethal weapon)

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iamlindoro_:

Gah, stupid software updates, off I go again

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wagnerrp:

ah, it does have it listed as monday, not tuesday

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wagnerrp:

still not sure why it didnt record though

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sphery:

Wow... People actually collect DVD's (now Blu-Ray's) of the SuperBowl games?

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wagnerrp:

they sell dvds of the superbowl games?

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dubstar_04:

superbowl? is like like rounders for men?

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sphery:

If anyone is looking for a Dell Studio Hybrid frontend (no, they don't have nvidia/VDPAU-capable GPU's), you can get a 15% discount on refurbs with coupon code HGXD6WK74Z0Z1Q .

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sphery:

SuperBowl on BD-ROM: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001Q3KYF6/r . . . 20_fe_img_1/

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Hybrid Studio + Frame based multithread = suck it, VDPAU

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** awilkins doesnt know what VDPAU is **

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wagnerrp:

vdpau = nvidia's hardware video decode acceleration

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awilkins:

Aha, yes, now I know

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: no joke... And, they now have a C2D 2.6GHz option (though only one--the most expensive one, by far--in refurbs right now)

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** awilkins is willing to bet the 96-series driver doesn't support it **

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: The last time they did refurbs I got the 2.2 C2D for ~ $300... not shabby at all

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sphery:

vdpau = something that will cause untold numbers of people to report bugs against Myth that have nothing to do with Myth when 0.22 is released :)

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** wagnerrp is willing to be the card youre using with the 96-series driver doesnt support it **

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sphery:

s/be/bet/ , right?

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wagnerrp:

sure...

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awilkins:

I've ported all my old "recorded", "oldrecorded" and "record" over to the new box

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awilkins:

Yay

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awilkins:

Now I can watch all my old crap as well as record new crap

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I got the chuck episode (assuming based on preview pixmap, though it could be a poorly-placed ad ;). Perhaps Myth saw you wanted to record a show about Beefcake, so it recorded the fat guys, instead...

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wagnerrp:

no, it didnt record the fat guys

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wagnerrp:

i had just thought it was on tuesday (not monday), and thats what the schedule had listed

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sphery:

oh

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wagnerrp:

turns out i am equally just an idoit

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wagnerrp:

as it did record on monday (not tuesday)

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sphery:

actually, the fact that you don't know the schedule just means that you're a true Myth user!

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JEDIDIAH__:

schedule? We don't need no stinkin schedule!

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sphery:

wondering if Simon K (who's having color key problems) is here... If so, I would tell him to make sure he's using 32-bit (or at least 24-bit) color--not 16-bit color.

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sphery:

And I'm really wondering how the MythSkype guy (Freako) is interfacing with Skype's proprietary (not open) protocol...

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wagnerrp:

i was under the impression skype did not have an open protocol

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wagnerrp:

they merely had an API to allow other programs to hook into their client

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iamlindoro_:

exec("/usr/bin/skype");?

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sphery:

Didn't even know they had an API available for GNU/Linux...

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sphery:

But, if so, his plugin couldn't be GPL2-compatible, could it?

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wagnerrp:

well if theyre not providing protocol for windows, i imagine they wont for linux either

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sphery:

yeah, pretty sure the protocol is definitely closed (it was only months ago, but I haven't checked recently)

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wagnerrp:

i remember there being some program that would provide interface between skype and asterisk

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sphery:

that's the big FOSS complaint about Skype--not that their client is closed, but that their protocol is

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wagnerrp:

in order to do so, they ran the windows client under WINE with an emulated sound card to route audio between the two programs

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sphery:

I'm still trying to figure out how to convert my friends from Skype to QuteCom (formerly OpenWengo)

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sphery:

hmmm http://share.skype.com/sites/en/2008/09/skype . . . sk_beta.html

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iamlindoro_:

So... you're saying MythSkype won't be done and included in trunk until... *next* week, then? ;)

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sphery:

:)

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** iamlindoro_ wonders when sphery will be done with all the work he has assigned to him **

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wagnerrp:

does skype have a videophone?

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wagnerrp:

or audio only?

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sphery:

don't worry... not working on MythSkype :)

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sphery:

video and audio

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sphery:

and the GNU/Linux support sucks... Program chews up memory, is 32-bit only, ...

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wagnerrp:

so this is supposed to be a non-functional replacement for mythphone

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sphery:

well, he just found out MythPhone died when he started asking for help, so...

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wagnerrp:

i still like how videophone has been the next big thing in communications... for 40 years...

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sphery:

yeah

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iamlindoro_:

I don't *want* people seeing me when I'm on the phone with them

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sphery:

I've had 3 webcams in my life and I've used one of them 3 times--all 3 times to show someone else how it works/to test their webcam after setting up their computer

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sphery:

stupid laptops including webcams...

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sphery:

I'll take the $25, instead, please.

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sphery:

It's amazing how wrong the, "Myth searches all storagegroups, so it doesn't matter where the recording is stored as long as it's in one of the storagegroups," statement is. What's even more amazing is how seldom that oft-repeated statement causes issues.

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wagnerrp:

well, the result is almost always correct

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wagnerrp:

considering few people have more than one storage group

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sphery:

yeah, the fact that most people use just a Default storage group (which has special properties) and have network mounts of all recording dirs on all frontends/backends causes the changes they make due to that statement to succeed, but it's still very wrong.

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wagnerrp:

special properties?

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sphery:

it's the one that we fall back to

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sphery:

i.e. "Myth searches all [directories in the Default] storagegroup [regardless of hostname], so it doesn't matter where the recording is stored as long as it's in one of the [directories in the Default] storagegroup [and is accessible by the current host or the host that recorded the show]"

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sphery:

much closer to accurate, but accurate is a /long/ story: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/370317#370317

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sphery:

(oh, and the short answer there is simplified to how it should work after a patch of mine is incorporated)

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wagnerrp:

so that 'skype for asterisk' is first party? directly from skype?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah

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sphery:

and, therefore, probably closed/proprietary code released by eBay

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justinh:

hmmm wonder if somebody is talking about... meh

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justinh:

I installed Skype once. Probably the least amount of time any program has resided on a machine

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awilkins:

skype for asterisk? I sense MS-EEE practices

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awilkins:

I still can't get pulseaudio to record my mike, so it's a bit useless except as a very heavy text-chat client for me

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awilkins:

And I understand that even if you can get pulse to record, skype doesn't like it much anyway

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sphery:

Yeah, the big problem with Skype is the same as with MS Office/OpenOffice... Kind of sucks when everyone else is using Skype. (Skype is worse, though, since the protocol is closed and no one has reverse-engineered them, as they did for MS Office file formats.)

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awilkins:

Even worse, Skype is encrypted so reverse engineering it is hard

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justinh:

big money for the guy who manages to get that though :)

[19:05:42]

awilkins:

Why money?

[19:05:51]

justinh:

the feds need a way to crack it

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justinh:

they're willing to pay big money, so it's been said

[19:06:05]

awilkins:

Ah, I can tell you what that is

[19:06:24]

awilkins:

THey phone up skype and say "can haz back door key?"

[19:06:29]

sphery:

awilkins: encrypted? see "report from Citizen Lab" at: http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/why-ebay- . . . source-skype

[19:07:00]

sphery:

seems millions of conversations/chats have been dumped on servers in china...

[19:07:12]

gbee:

justinh: base artwork is done, just need to do the xml – http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/mimic_foxsat.png

[19:07:23]

gbee:

vs http://regmedia.co.uk/2009/03/04/foxsat_hdr_6.jpg

[19:07:55]

justinh:

ooo. doesn't take some people long :)

[19:08:24]

sphery:

gbee: while you could mimic OpenTV (i.e. what DISH is--or at least was--using), doing so would make a UI that's less advanced than MythTV 0.21's... :)

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awilkins:

Does the backend cache settings?

[19:15:15]

awilkins:

I'm having trouble with squishy-vision

[19:15:29]

awilkins:

ie 16:9 TV with 4:3 native display res

[19:16:21]

awilkins:

And I've set the XineramaMonitorAspectRatio setting to 1.7777 as the page at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Display_Size suggests

[19:17:25]

justinh:

oh ffs my frontend has gone all stupid scaling again

[19:17:36]

awilkins:

But still stunted squishyvision

[19:18:16]

justinh:

played The Simpsons just fine earlier.. now a 16:9 show is all zoomyvision

[19:18:48]

awilkins:

It's infectious!

[19:19:57]

justinh:

hmmm.. this time I get XRRSetScreenConfigAndRate() call failed. in my log

[19:20:47]

awilkins:

Your aspect-ratio problem sounds worse than mine

[19:21:04]

iamlindoro_:

"The cpu load is reduced with VDPAU and Advanced 2x mode works, but there are artifacts on the playback of HD-Homerun and Firewire MPEG2 1080i recordings that do not occur on my older 6150 video card with Bobx2 software de-interlacing."

[19:21:07]

iamlindoro_:

"I suspect this may be an issue with 9500GT cards given the previous post. So should I send the 9500GT back or does someone know of a fix?"

[19:21:09]

iamlindoro_:

*sigh*

[19:21:14]

justinh:

well, that'd be the root of the problem I bet..

[19:21:46]

iamlindoro_:

So because VDPAU shows artifacts in your broadcast stream stuff and software decode and deinterlace doesn't, you must have broken hardware???

[19:21:51]

justinh:

now.. why the hell isn't XRRsetScreenTHING not worky anymore? hrm

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justinh:

xrandr failed for 800x600.. wtf?

[19:22:52]

justinh:

so it's setting X to 720x576

[19:23:10]

justinh:

but.. 720x576 isn't listed as a supported mode.

[19:23:36]

high-rez:

iamlin: I actually see weirdness with 9xxx cards vs 8xxx cards. I've actually wondered if there's some hardwawre bug in the VP2 in 9xxx's. I get weird blocking/corruption on the same streams that my 8xxx works perfect (same deinterlacing).

[19:23:37]

gbee:

valid mode for TV-out

[19:23:43]

high-rez:

(specific to mpeg2)

[19:24:15]

justinh:

gbee: it is & it isn't. the driver has to support it & I don't think Intel does

[19:24:16]

gbee:

nvidia driver in recent versions definitions the valid modes internally, you can't override them

[19:24:36]

gbee:

ahh, hmm, don't know about Intel, but I recall someone saying that they did the same

[19:24:53]

justinh:

randr is reporting 800x600 is currently being used

[19:26:05]

iamlindoro_:

high-rez: looks fine here, I doubt highly that it's a hardware issue--- other than VDPAU sucking at any stream that has any damage

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justinh:

restarted X & now it's fine. WTF

[19:28:34]

justinh:

so, sometimes myth's video mode setting is failing, depending on what mood X is in

[19:32:59]

justinh:

nothing illuminating in my xorg log either. que sera

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justinh:

hrm. maybe I made a booboo copying the nfsroot to the new place. some permissions in the frontend user's home dir are strange

[19:36:46]

justinh:

doesn't quite explain why things _sometimes_ go wrong for playback though

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lifewithryan_:

okay was in here yesterday...thought perhaps i had a digital signal coming into my card, turns out thats not the case. TV signal is scrambled when I try to record on my PVR350 using lates mythbuntu

[19:43:32]

lifewithryan_:

same input into a regular TV works just fine

[19:44:06]

wagnerrp:

digital signals will appear as static, not 'scrambled'

[19:44:46]

lifewithryan_:

well thats a relief...

[19:44:58]

lifewithryan_:

so my image is just scrambled...could this be due to a weak signal perhaps?

[19:45:04]

lifewithryan_:

it is coming of a "splitter"

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lifewithryan_:

into home -> splitter a) to cable modem b) to pvr350

[19:46:04]

lifewithryan_:

couple years ago, i had this same card working in a different room

[19:46:15]

lifewithryan_:

the box then crashed and i'm just now getting round to rebuilding it

[19:46:26]

wagnerrp:

usually the cableco pumps enough power into your line to run 3–4 devices before degredation

[19:47:04]

lifewithryan_:

any other ideas then?

[19:47:18]

wagnerrp:

you dont have the drivers or firmware installed properly

[19:47:21]

lifewithryan_:

do I need to do anything with the IVTV driver perhaps?

[19:47:22]

wagnerrp:

or the card is dead

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lifewithryan_:

gonna ticked if the card is dead, hasn't been used in forever

[19:48:01]

lifewithryan_:

mythbuntu probably messed something up with the firmware then

[19:48:07]

lifewithryan_:

perhaps thats the road i need to go down

[19:48:18]

wagnerrp:

you are using a video card for output right? not the 350?

[19:48:35]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: So I think the best thing about VDPAU is how much it's going to cost a certain green-logo'ed company with things like that (blaming hardware)/constant support requests/... I just hope it's enough to make them open source specs and/or drivers. ;)

[19:49:25]

wagnerrp:

sphery: it supports everything dxva does under windows

[19:49:32]

wagnerrp:

i havent heard much complaint over that

[19:50:18]

lifewithryan_:

this is solely a backend at the moment, but i mount it via samba, copy it down and see scrambled badness

[19:50:21]

sphery:

right, but it's costing a lot of money for supporting a small number of users (compared to the windows users)

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sphery:

so, maybe they'll get cost-conscious and consider alternatives

[19:50:51]

lifewithryan_:

and the preview images show up scrambled in mythweb as well

[19:50:59]

wagnerrp:

sphery: what im saying is that ive not heard much in the way of vocal complaints from vista users, over lack of decode support

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sphery:

oh

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wagnerrp:

lifewithryan_: i can only assume ivtv is not installed properly

[19:51:45]

sphery:

yeah, I was commenting on iamlindoro_ 's mention of the user who's blaming his 9500 because he sees artifacts with VDPAU he doesn't see with software decode/rendering. He's planning to return the card.

[19:51:57]

wagnerrp:

ah

[19:52:06]

bocaJ:

hi folks – I have a question. Is there a way to set multiple rules for the same show? For instance, I would like new showings of BSG to record at priority +2, but also to record reruns at -1. TIA.

[19:52:08]

lifewithryan_:

wagnerrp: probably not...mythbuntu/kernel 2.6.x+ is suppose to have all that though according to ivtvdriver.org

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wagnerrp:

lifewithryan_: obviously the card is not working

[19:52:50]

wagnerrp:

with ivtv cards, all mythtv does is capture a file stream coming out of the card

[19:52:55]

wagnerrp:

it makes no modifications to it

[19:53:11]

wagnerrp:

so either the card is broken, or your drivers/firmwares are

[19:53:21]

lifewithryan_:

okay...i think i'll tray a quick cat /dev/video0 /var/tmp/testfile and see what I get

[19:53:31]

sphery:

bocaJ: yes... you need to make multiple rules...

[19:53:36]

sphery:

bocaJ: yes, that's possible

[19:53:44]

wagnerrp:

yeah, i was going to say you could just cat the dev node to completely take mythtv out of the lop

[19:53:46]

wagnerrp:

loop

[19:53:59]

lifewithryan_:

one step at a time i suppose....

[19:54:07]

justinh:

eh? why the hell is myth even trying to use 720x576 when I've said to use 800x60??

[19:54:15]

justinh:

er 800x600 I mean

[19:54:17]

bocaJ:

Thanks. Is there an easy way to do that in the frontend or via mythweb? Whenever I click on a show, it seems to bring up the same rules I've already set, and forces me to edit those

[19:54:20]

wagnerrp:

anyway, what kernel version are you using?

[19:54:40]

justinh:

is greedydeint overriding resolution settings or something whacked out?

[19:54:41]

sphery:

bocaJ: First, delete any BSG rules you have (set to "Do not record"). Then, find an episode of the /new/ BSG and set up a new recording rules that specifies a filter of "Record New Episodes Only." Then it will only match the new stuff.

[19:54:41]

lifewithryan_:

can't remember off the top of my head but the latest version of mythbuntu

[19:54:49]

wagnerrp:

the 2.6.1x line was all sorts of pain with ivtv drivers

[19:55:14]

lifewithryan_:

based on ubuntu 8.10

[19:55:16]

wagnerrp:

2.6.2x was better, i believe 2.6.25+ everything was part of the kernel, and there was no userland tools you needed to install

[19:55:16]

sphery:

bocaJ: Then, find and epsiode of the old stuff and create a new rule for it with the appropriate lower priority. Since it doesn't match the first rule you created (it's not a new episode), you can create a new rule.

[19:55:29]

lifewithryan_:

let me see what 8.10 uses

[19:55:41]

sphery:

bocaJ: if you do it backwards--create a catch-all rule first--then you won't have any episodes that don't match so you can't create a second rule

[19:55:55]

lifewithryan_:

looks like 2.6.27

[19:56:09]

sphery:

so, most-specific to most-generic is the proper order for creating rules when trying to have multiple rules for the same show

[19:57:15]

** sphery is annoyed by a certain list user saying that you can't Delete and allow re-record for files that are missing... I'll have to try it out again tonight when I watch something so I can tell him (again) that he's wrong (and to please stop spreading that nasty rumor). **

[19:57:33]

bocaJ:

Sphery: Thank you, I'll let you know how it goes in a second

[19:57:49]

justinh:

hrm. I may have found a bug

[19:57:58]

gbee:

it's most definately not true

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justinh:

got appearance settings to say use a different mode for video playback, 800x600 which is what I run the GUI at. But I change the aspect & force it to 16:9 for viddy. So far so good. So why the heck is mythfrontend complaining that it couldn't set the res to 720x576 with xrandr?!

[19:59:41]

wagnerrp:

how are the playback profiles set up in the code?

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justinh:

they better not be overriding this setting

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sphery:

wagnerrp: you mean how are they created or how are they used?

[20:00:12]

wagnerrp:

specifically, could it fairly be easily be adapted to allow rules based on codec?

[20:00:30]

sphery:

ah, could be, but would require a bit of work

[20:01:00]

sphery:

ttbomk, mark_k and danielk are considering doing that (or something similar) to better support vdpau

[20:01:29]

bocaJ:

Sphery: Hmm, this is not working. FYI, I'm using mythweb since I'm at work. However, after creating the filtered rule (set as record one showing per week, filter: new episodes) all the BSG showings are flagged (they have a little dotted line around them). When I click on them, the recording options are already set. When I alter those options, the alterations effect the rules for the new episode recordings. Any thoughts?

[20:01:52]

wagnerrp:

i was just expecting that since the resolution data was available, the codec information should be as well

[20:02:10]

wagnerrp:

there wont be any errors in blu-ray content

[20:02:17]

justinh:

so no ideas re the resolution switching?

[20:02:27]

wagnerrp:

im assuming since the HDPVR is encoded locally, there wont be any errors their either

[20:02:32]

justinh:

it's not doing it all the time, which is also strange

[20:02:52]

wagnerrp:

so you could set it to use software for mpeg2, hardware for mpeg4

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sphery:

GlemSom: re: #6018: Mythweb: Forget old broken , are you sure you just didn't wait long enough to see the change? MythWeb won't show any changes until the backend completes its reschedule, which could be anywhere from 5 seconds to 5 minutes.

[20:06:55]

wagnerrp:

i dont know what would take 5 minutes

[20:07:21]

wagnerrp:

even clever's P2 backend, with hundreds of channels and thousands of schedules only takes some 2–3 minutes

[20:08:10]

sphery:

believe it or not, there's a user on the -users list whose rescheds take ~5mins... (Though last I knew he was /still/ using 0.18-fixes!!!)

[20:09:12]

awilkins:

Bah, why do seektables have to be in the database

[20:09:12]

wagnerrp:

because it 'just works better'?

[20:09:29]

awilkins:

Why can't they be little files in the storage folder

[20:09:38]

awilkins:

Then I wouldn't be regenerating them all ;-)

[20:09:51]

sphery:

did you bork your DB?

[20:09:53]

iamlindoro_:

Uh... you wouldn't?

[20:09:54]

sphery:

got a backup?

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iamlindoro_:

Any time you change the file, you would need to recreate the seektable, no matter where it lives

[20:10:27]

sphery:

wagnerrp: let's just say he's the most stubborn person I've seen and he heard some issues with 0.19 when it was released, so...

[20:10:33]

awilkins:

No, I borked my entire OS

[20:10:56]

iamlindoro_:

So a DB backup would work

[20:10:59]

sphery:

so you had a crashed recordedseek table?

[20:11:00]

awilkins:

Yes

[20:11:12]

sphery:

and it couldn't write seektable entries for new recordings?

[20:11:18]

awilkins:

I had a DB backup

[20:11:19]

sphery:

if so, you only need to regenerate for new recordings

[20:11:35]

awilkins:

I'm regenerating them all, about 80% done anyway

[20:11:51]

awilkins:

I suppose 3000 fps is reasonable, I'm just moaning

[20:12:36]

wagnerrp:

what was the reason for hour long recordings showing up as 51 minutes? i remember hearing something about it a couple weeks ago

[20:12:44]

** sphery won't mention that yesterday he accidentally forgot the WHERE clause in an UPDATE recorded SET description = '...' after just warning a user on the list that the UI allows changing title and subtitle, but not description and to be /very/ careful if he decides to edit description directly in the DB. **

[20:13:04]

sphery:

thank goodness for oldrecorded and a simple little join on programid

[20:13:06]

** awilkins uses phpmyadmin or sqlyog **

[20:14:02]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: Maybe someone can backport my addition of the description editor ;)

[20:14:07]

sphery:

3000fps is likely 100x real time... I have 600–700hours of recordings, so at that speed, it would only take about 6–7hrs...

[20:14:32]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: oh, yeah... after I warned him, I said I'd work on the description editor, then you did it, right?

[20:14:48]

sphery:

I forgot that one was done... Yeah, one more thing I can mark off my TODO list. :)

[20:14:49]

awilkins:

Heh, I have 23 days, 9 mins...

[20:14:59]

awilkins:

So les than you

[20:15:07]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: Did it yes, although still not sure the single line textedit is the optimal way to do it

[20:15:10]

sphery:

but still only 552hrs

[20:15:25]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: yeah, it's not, but until we have a multiline widget...

[20:15:35]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: ISTR it's only 3–4 lines of code, anyway

[20:15:47]

sphery:

(and the multiline text widget is on gbee's TODO list, IIRC :)

[20:16:02]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: I may try to sit down this weekend and edit the whole dialog so that everything is there (year, rating, etc.

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sphery:

yeah, I really never edit title/subtitle/description (as it's only necessary for things you keep), but I'm keeping the 3D commercial from the superbowl (and didn't it called superbowl after editing out everything else) and The Fray's performance from a Jay Leno episode on Monday (the latter being the one whose new description became every recording's description :)

[20:17:36]

sphery:

The Fray to show a frien

[20:17:38]

sphery:

fiend

[20:17:41]

sphery:

friend

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: sweet... Is it a themeable dialog?

[20:18:20]

gbee:

of course

[20:18:29]

gbee:

all dialogs ported to mythui are themeable

[20:18:38]

gbee:

and all dialogs eventually will be ported

[20:19:05]

sphery:

nice... So, themers could actually decide which elements to include?

[20:19:14]

gbee:

yup

[20:19:24]

sphery:

Then having all of them available would be sweet!

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lifewithryan_:

okay, here's something i dont understand...whats the diff between us-cable, us-cable-hrc and us-cable-irc? my pvr350 is set to use us-cable, do I need to use hrc instead?

[20:20:19]

gbee:

and people can edit the UI down to just what they will actually use, so a minimal, family friendly UI vs a poweruser/geek UI

[20:20:23]

wagnerrp:

hrc and irc are slight differences in the frequency table

[20:20:29]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: gbee can tell you, it's a really trivial amount of work to add in a couple spinboxes/textedits to add the other attributes

[20:20:30]

sphery:

HRC and IRC are less-frequently used frequency tables

[20:20:32]

sphery:

but worth a try

[20:20:34]

wagnerrp:

us-cable is what nearly everyone wants

[20:20:43]

iamlindoro_:

so I'd love to take a big fat chunk of credit, but I can't :)

[20:20:51]

lifewithryan_:

gotcha...

[20:21:10]

sphery:

lifewithryan_: worth a try, that is, if you're unable to tune some or all channels when using us-cable

[20:21:11]

lifewithryan_:

maybe i should try that when i get home...dunno, grasping at straws here

[20:21:43]

gbee:

and yet, as trivial as it might be, I find I have no motivation to do anything right now :/

[20:21:43]

iamlindoro_:

gbee: I know you've got your hands full, but I assume a patch as descibed above would be acceptable?

[20:21:44]

lifewithryan_:

yeah i can't tune them...the look like HBO used to when we didn't pay for it but tried to watch it as a kid

[20:21:52]

lifewithryan_:

all squiggly and scrambled

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gbee:

iamlindoro_: yeah, sounds good

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: yeah, I got to see just how easy it was with my one foray into UI (the Recording Rules screen that adds a bunch of optional elements to what was the Set Priorities screen)

[20:22:25]

gbee:

actually thought I would do it myself eventually, makes no sense to limit it to title/subtitle

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sphery:

I was quite impressed with how nice it was compared to the old way.

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iamlindoro_:

yeah

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lifewithryan_:

i guess i'll just have to pull the thing back out of the closet and mess with it...right now is solely a backend but I can try running the frontend on it tonight and see if it tunes anything

[20:25:42]

sphery:

lifewithryan_: with the wrong freq table, you wouldn't get "encrypted" look, you'd just get the wrong channel or a poorly-tuned channel (i.e. with lots of static) or wouldn't even notice (i.e. if you didn't receive any of the channels that were sufficiently far off the freq table's frequencies)

[20:26:10]

sphery:

are you sure your cable co isn't using 1980's analog encryption on the channels?

[20:26:30]

lifewithryan_:

i plugged in a "normal" TV and the signal was just fine...same cable

[20:27:24]

justinh:

where are people getting these pvr350 cards from anyway? and where are they getting told it's an acceptable card? :-O

[20:28:14]

lifewithryan_:

i had this card two years ago from ebay and it worked beautifully under knoppmyth

[20:28:17]

meshe:

the computer wholesaler down the street :)

[20:28:21]

sphery:

guessing a lot of people are selling them on ebay

[20:28:25]

lifewithryan_:

even had TV out working and running X

[20:28:38]

sphery:

tv out on the 350 is a waste

[20:28:46]

sphery:

(I used to have one)

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lifewithryan_:

well not using it now anyway, but it was working none the less

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justinh:

so.. erm... what's wrong with using knoppmyth these days?

[20:28:55]

sphery:

the 350 is just a very expensive 150 :)

[20:29:08]

lifewithryan_:

mythbuntu is just what I downloaded

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wagnerrp:

it used to serve a purpose 10 years ago, but did the 350 exist 10 years ago?

[20:29:17]

justinh:

try the card without mythtv

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lifewithryan_:

yeah, going to try the cat /dev/video0 > somefile trick tonight

[20:29:43]

justinh:

use ivtvtune or whatever, and look directly at the tuner card

[20:29:51]

awilkins:

I downloaded Mythbuntu today and I'm very impressed by the lack of effort to get it working

[20:29:55]

wagnerrp:

lifewithryan_: you have shell access?

[20:30:03]

lifewithryan_:

yeah...(not from here) but yea

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justinh:

only way to be sure it's not something screwy like default recording profile resolution

[20:30:29]

wagnerrp:

ok, i was going to tell you to just ssh in, do it, and transfer the file

[20:30:30]

justinh:

or your video drivers :P

[20:31:03]

lifewithryan_:

yeah, unfortunately i have to wait until i'm home, on lunch break rightnow at work

[20:31:58]

lifewithryan_:

just popped in hear to get ideas on where to look next

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sphery:

yeah, wasn't there an issue with some drivers/firmware/whatever that if you didn't use full res (720x480 or 720x576), you got a messed up recording?

[20:32:14]

sphery:

also, are you sure it's the recording and not just playback?

[20:32:37]

sphery:

the issue sounds similar to something that you'd get with a buggy ATI driver version

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meshe:

it sayss something about that in the recording profiles screen

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sphery:

(on playback)

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lifewithryan_:

pretty sure...the preview images on mythweb are scrambled

[20:33:39]

sphery:

that sounds like a messed up recording

[20:33:42]

lifewithryan_:

i'm not playing it back on the same box either, this is just a recording backend

[20:34:00]

lifewithryan_:

will be using an NMT to play back recordings most likely

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sphery:

still wouldn't hurt to play it back on a machine that has known good working playback

[20:34:08]

lifewithryan_:

tried that :)

[20:34:15]

lifewithryan_:

copied the file to my laptop...no love

[20:34:18]

lifewithryan_:

all scrambled

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lifewithryan_:

so recording profiles? will have to look at those as well

[20:36:36]

sphery:

yeah, go to 720x480 (assuming NTSC) and (for good measure) 48kHz audio.

[20:36:52]

lifewithryan_:

NTSC yes...

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lifewithryan_:

okay, gonna write that down

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lifewithryan_:

will be so upset if its a card issue...then i'll have to fall back on my "software ecoding" cards which mean I might need some more RAM :(

[20:38:26]

lifewithryan_:

i have an HD card as well, but its driver is very buggy and its slow as molasses to actually watch anything one

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lifewithryan_:

er on

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wagnerrp:

slow? tuning takes a long time or what?

[20:39:19]

lifewithryan_:

oh sorry, now literally watching TV on my HD card plays a few frames, then basically freezes/jumps, etc

[20:39:28]

lifewithryan_:

no amount of tweaking mplayer has worked for me

[20:39:41]

sphery:

likely an underpowered system

[20:39:44]

lifewithryan_:

i think my machine is just under powered for that

[20:39:51]

lifewithryan_:

so I didn't put it in the mythbox

[20:39:56]

wagnerrp:

what is your machine?

[20:39:58]

sphery:

neither of my backends can decode HDTV in real time (though both record only HDTV)

[20:40:14]

lifewithryan_:

2.6GHz but only 256MB ram at the moment

[20:40:21]

sphery:

Pentium 4?

[20:40:23]

wagnerrp:

2.6 P4?

[20:40:25]

lifewithryan_:

yea

[20:40:28]

lifewithryan_:

thinks so

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sphery:

yeah, that's too little--especially with 256MB

[20:40:49]

lifewithryan_:

thats why i didn't even attempt to put in in the mythbox

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wagnerrp:

too little? i would think that were right at around the lower limit

[20:41:05]

sphery:

And, a new C2D isn't that expensive... And, it would likely take /much/ less power and you could have HDTV...

[20:41:17]

lifewithryan_:

from experience i can say i can't watch realtime HD on that card on my desktop at the moment

[20:41:24]

wagnerrp:

depending on the board, you may be able to drop one in directly

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lifewithryan_:

eventually i'd like to but...wife, kids, a million other hobbies...probably not gonna happen :)

[20:42:13]

dustybin:

is VDPAU a bit like what XVMC is, it works, but has problems?

[20:42:35]

wagnerrp:

dustybin: it works a lot better than xvmc, but yes, it has problems

[20:42:43]

lifewithryan_:

i want my mythbox to record just a few things, not like tons of shows...so the office, hereos if i cant see it that night, etc

[20:42:43]

dustybin:

oh good

[20:42:46]

stuarta:

still under development

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wagnerrp:

namely, the lack of ability to handle errors in the stream

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lifewithryan_:

i don't need HD

[20:42:52]

Dagmar:

You realize of course, that dustybin is just trolling

[20:43:03]

dustybin:

Dagmar: for crying out loud im NOT TROLLING

[20:43:10]

wagnerrp:

you get any errors in a digital broadcast stream, and it barfs

[20:43:24]

dustybin:

Dagmar: why do you think im trolling?

[20:43:44]

wagnerrp:

you live by a creek, under a bridge?

[20:43:54]

stuarta:

pointy ears?

[20:44:12]

sphery:

You could get a Dell Studio Hybrid ( http://www.dell.com/content/products/productd . . . tudio-hybrid ) refurb for a new frontend with a 15% discount (promo code HGXD6WK74Z0Z1Q --and, IIRC, free shipping on all refurbs, now), so $399 – $59.85 = ~$340 for the cheapest one on there now ( http://outlet.us.dell.com/ARBOnlineSales/topi . . . en&s=dfh -set Model filter ...

[20:44:18]

sphery:

... to Studio Hybrid and click Filter Results)

[20:44:30]

sphery:

Or, if you don't care for small/pretty, you could get one for <$200

[20:44:35]

** stuarta offers sphery tinyurl.com **

[20:44:52]

sphery:

(i.e. big/ugly/loud system and put it in another room)

[20:45:09]

lifewithryan_:

thats where it is now, in the back room, right where the cable comes into the house

[20:45:16]

wagnerrp:

yeah, my big ugly loud system is on a shelf in the basement, directly under one of the tvs

[20:45:32]

lifewithryan_:

the plan is to have that there, share the storage folder out and use an NMT to watch the recordings

[20:45:46]

sphery:

stuarta: yeah, I hate tinyurl because you never know where it's taking you... I've been very upset when someone had me click one that took me to a patent or something (i.e. something that I don't want a record of having reviewed as I don't want to knowingly break patents in my OSS development)

[20:45:48]

lifewithryan_:

headless, keyboardless, mouseless

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sphery:

NMT?

[20:46:09]

lifewithryan_:

Networked Media Tank

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meshe:

my fe/be is a system i quicly built out of the cheapest parts i could get at the time, case/psu $40, mobo/cpu < $100, ram $40 and it sits nearly silently beside my tv

[20:46:12]

Dagmar:

dustybin: You forget the channel keeps logs, and I can pull up everything you've said--even when I wasn't around--and get an overall picture. Stop trying to barb people.

[20:46:18]

stuarta:

ninja mutant turtles

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iamlindoro_:

Nincompoop Marijuana Teenager

[20:46:38]

lifewithryan_:

like Popcorn Hour

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wagnerrp:

stuarta: are they all grown up now?

[20:46:48]

lifewithryan_:

iStar HD, etc

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sphery:

I was thinking Ninja Mutant Turtles

[20:47:02]

dustybin:

Dagmar: barb?

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lifewithryan_:

heh

[20:47:09]

sphery:

(they're no longer teenagers)

[20:47:34]

Dagmar:

...and I used to own some of the equipment in that picture. They're just Compaq chasseys with gimpy SCSI disks

[20:47:40]

sphery:

oh, stuarta already went there...

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sphery:

darn my slow reading/typing

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justinh:

they'll always be HERO turtles to me

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sphery:

so NMT is basically popcorn hour with some distro on it?

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iamlindoro_:

It's the same exact hardware, different firmware and case

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sphery:

different case, too?

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sphery:

ah... the Popcorn Hour B-110 Baseline, "It's [sic] mini-ITX form-factor allowing it to be placed in any compliant casing."

[20:50:17]

iamlindoro_:

I dunno, all I know is upnp is stupid.

[20:50:55]

iamlindoro_:

(At least, for using myth, IMO, YMMV, IANAL, GFY, STFU)

[20:51:06]

sphery:

yeah, on the popcorn hour page, they mention the B-110 Baseline and say, "Combined with the powerful features in the Networked Media Tank firmware..."

[20:51:16]

meshe:

didn't M$ come up with UPNP?

[20:52:34]

iamlindoro_:

evidently: http://www.upnp-hacks.org/upnp.html

[20:52:38]

Dagmar:

"Universal Plug and Play (UPnP) is a set of computer protocols promulgated by the UPnP Forum. "

[20:53:19]

meshe:

yet another reason to dislike it ;)

[20:53:25]

Dagmar:

It's still a protocol that should never ever be used outside someone's home LAN

[20:54:13]

meshe:

i never enabled upnp on my linux firewall, it doesn't get outside my lan

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sphery:

so I'm still trying to figure out hwat processor the Popcorn Hours use...

[20:54:43]

Dagmar:

meshe: Enabling uPnP has nothing to do with whether or not your router would resend uPnP packets

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: It's the name sigma chip that's in everything

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Dagmar:

meshe: Thankfully that doesn't much matter

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wagnerrp:

meshe: enabling upnp on a firewall lets applications request open ports

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: s/name/same/

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wagnerrp:

has nothing to do with passing traffic

[20:55:12]

sphery:

So, a nice C2D or whatever would probably be a much better choice for a frontend

[20:55:13]

trumee:

guys, i havent found any imdb.pl script which updates the User Rating.

[20:55:19]

trumee:

i am currently using this http://www.oneweb.co.uk/mythtv/2009/02/update . . . vie-posters/

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meshe:

i was pretty sure that there was an kernel module that was necessary for upnp to work with iptables

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wagnerrp:

trumee: the imdb script is defunct

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sphery:

trumee: the imdb.pl script violates IMDb Terms of Service, so it's no longer supported

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trumee:

Is there any imdb.pl which updates User Ratings? I have more faith on imdb user ratings than tmdb :)

[20:55:55]

wagnerrp:

imdb does not want scrapers running on their website

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sphery:

tmdb.pl is the way forward...

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Tmdb.pl

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sphery:

though it still needs some work, so feel free to contribute patches...

[20:56:30]

awilkins:

C2D? Mmm, crash to desktop

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trumee:

sphery, that is fine. i did setup tmdb.pl which works great, it is just that i want to get the User Ratings from imdb

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sphery:

Core 2 Duo

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awilkins:

Ah. I'm using a Sempron

[20:57:33]

sphery:

trumee: so, sounds like you'll be editing the script yourself (or finding someone else who's likewise interested to edit it for you)

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iamlindoro_:

trumee: Except IMDB *doesn't* want you getting them from its web site-- which is the reason the project has divorced itself from that script

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sphery:

I'd be more likely to work on a script that's not violating the sites Terms

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iamlindoro_:

trumee: Which more or less means, as sphery has mentioned, that we don't provide support for it here any more

[20:57:57]

sphery:

something like, tmdb...

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lifewithryan_:

sorry was away...but NMT is basically what you said

[20:58:08]

trumee:

sphery, iamlindoro_, thats fine. perfectly understand it

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wagnerrp:

speaking of which, i should probably run through tmdb again, pick up some more shows

[20:59:34]

sphery:

I rented a movie last night that wasn't on tmdb, and was wondering where I'd go about getting all the info to make a new page...

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i dont understand what you can put on there without violating copyrights

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sphery:

yeah...

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sphery:

I'm guessing anything I copied off the disc itself would be valid (as the rental doesn't have the disc case (redbox)), but there's a /lot/ more--and anything I could get by pausing credits, etc. is a /lot/ of work

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sphery:

and I have no idea about posters/cover art/...

[21:01:47]

meshe:

apparently, you can download the imdb database: http://www.imdb.com/interfaces

[21:02:08]

wagnerrp:

meshe: thats only supposed to be for personal use

[21:02:16]

wagnerrp:

and its text only, no images

[21:02:18]

sphery:

meshe: yeah, there will be that option, but it doesn't have nearly the same info as the website

[21:02:32]

meshe:

and, myth isn't for personal use?

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wagnerrp:

myth is for personal use, themoviedb is not

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meshe:

sorry, was talking about solutions for getting the user ratings for imdb

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meshe:

er from

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sphery:

meshe: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/370110#370110

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wagnerrp:

however having some 10s of thousands of myth users all download a large database to search locally...

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wagnerrp:

just doesnt seem like a viable option

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meshe:

might make them decide to open up an api though ;)

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sphery:

from http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/356963#356963 : Direct use of IMDb will be gone for 0.22. For those who can't live without it, imdbpy.py will remain, and I will provide instructions for how IMDbPy can be used while complying with IMDb's terms of use.

[21:04:22]

wagnerrp:

or... just remove access to the database all together

[21:04:43]

meshe:

true

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sphery:

and from http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/317352#317352 : That said, imdbpy.py could be made to use the DB they make available, this would be the worst solution (the DB is large, with few mirrors, and some information unavailable).

[21:05:47]

sphery:

basically, imdb stole everyone's submissions and won't let us use them...

[21:05:56]

sphery:

so don't ever contribute to imdb (or tv.com, for that matter)

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meshe:

sounds familiar cddb?

[21:06:22]

justinh:

don't get me started on user submitted data

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** sphery loves finding completely wrong info in IMDb or tv.com and not updating it **

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iamlindoro_:

gbee: you are all OVER tmdb, heh

[21:07:01]

iamlindoro_:

gbee: They need a flagging system for artwork/articles rather than submitting request in-forum

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sphery:

what else would he do with the 2hrs a day left after he spends 22 working on mythui?

[21:07:18]

iamlindoro_:

ie "flag this image", then they can look at things in order of greatest flags, etc.

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justinh:

I think I'll just do my own tagging from now on

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sphery:

I would be much more into tmdb if they had a mailing list instead of a forum...

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dubstar_04:

can anyone remember the mythrename.pl command to use as a job option? is it mythrename.pl %dir %file?

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wagnerrp:

why not just run as a cron?

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dubstar_04:

would that be without options?

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wagnerrp:

ideally with the symlink option

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dubstar_04:

i only really use it so i can find the names of files i want to move to my movies folder, so it would be a waste as a cron

[21:14:30]

dubstar_04:

i use it aybe once a month

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wagnerrp:

you might want to check out iamlindoro's patch, for moving recordings to mythvideo

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dubstar_04:

where could i find that?

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wagnerrp:

on trak, although i think its only for trunk

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dubstar_04:

damn

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iamlindoro_:

It also relies at least partially on another patch-- Am pushing to get them in in dribs and drabs but unless you're adventurous it might be worth leaving alone for now

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dubstar_04:

i cant be adventurous with this machine as the mrs uses it everyday

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iamlindoro_:

because it addition to copying the file and setting up the metadata, it also hunts for and finds the best match for fanart, banner, screenshot, and coverfile... which obviously requires my patch for those things too ;)

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dubstar_04:

wow

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dubstar_04:

that sounds amazing

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iamlindoro_:

It's a nice feature but I wouldn't call it amazing :)

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: Cool. That's nifty

[21:18:17]

iamlindoro_:

I do think people will enjoy it, though

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dubstar_04:

is fanart going to be useable as backdrops?

[21:18:38]

iamlindoro_:

dubstar_04: yep, all included in the patch

[21:18:49]

dubstar_04:

oh

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iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx: Yeah, and with another ~30 line patch it also adds fanart/banner/coverfile support to the PBB

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sphery:

dubstar_04: mythrename.pl always scans all files, so whether you use it as a user job or as a once-per-30-minute cron job, it's a "waste"

[21:20:11]

sphery:

dubstar_04: and, as mentioned, you should /only/ use it with the --link option (or you will break things)

[21:20:40]

iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx: which ATM is reliant on the f/b/c directories having a file named roughly like the show title, but assuming that is true, you get something like http://www.fecitfacta.com/PBB-fanart.ogg

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dubstar_04:

so back to my original question... does anyone know the command for rename as a job option? i thought it was mythrename.pl %dir %file

[21:20:48]

sphery:

I run mythrename.pl --link 5 times (getting 5 differently-sorted views of my recordings) at 2 and 32 minutes after every hour

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awilkins:

If using it without --link breaks things, why doesn't it always use --link ?

[21:21:03]

sphery:

dubstar_04: read my comment...

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sphery:

dubstar_04: it /always/ does /all/ recordings, so there's no reason to specify any options

[21:21:37]

sphery:

i.e. just mythrename.pl --link as your job (and specify whatever format options you like)

[21:21:38]

dubstar_04:

ah ok

[21:22:07]

dubstar_04:

i thought by specifying a file it would use just that file

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sphery:

though I think you'll actually have better results using a cron job

[21:22:38]

sphery:

because when 2 recordings end at the same time, it will be run twice unless you create a script to wrap it that prevents multiple concurrent executions

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sphery:

i.e. run twice at the same time, so when one starts working and the other deletes the directory in which its working, it will be "wrong"

[21:23:10]

sphery:

(even if it doesn't cause problems outright)

[21:23:45]

** sphery votes for cron job at 2 and 32 after every hour... and, feel free to limit it only to portions of the day (i.e. primetime + an hour or whatever) **

[21:24:01]

iamlindoro_:

sphery is totally wrong

[21:24:06]

sphery:

but it really doesn't take much to run it--I run it 10 times per hour (because of 5 views at 2 times)

[21:24:07]

iamlindoro_:

I say run it at 5 and 35 after the hour

[21:24:10]

meshe:

lol

[21:24:12]

iamlindoro_:

;)

[21:24:20]

justinh:

1 and 31 past!

[21:24:28]

justinh:

damnit you guys know nothing

[21:24:29]

dubstar_04:

i normally just use it manually to find the name of a film rather than playing 30 – 40 recording to find the right one

[21:24:34]

wagnerrp:

yeah, there are a couple cable channels that like to run slightly offset

[21:24:41]

iamlindoro_:

Ugh, sometimes it's so hard to be the smartest person everywhere I go

[21:24:47]

iamlindoro_:

you poor, poor littlebrains

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sphery:

maybe at 28 and 58 /before/ the hour?

[21:25:10]

justinh:

maybe nothing I watch is deemed worth keeping long & it all autoexpires :P

[21:25:25]

iamlindoro_:

* The preceding wa joking and does not reflect the actual opinions of iamlindoro. Iamlindoro was making a satirical comment on the attitudes of some people. All rights recerved.

[21:25:34]

iamlindoro_:

reserved

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dubstar_04:

anchorman is a keeper

[21:25:41]

wagnerrp:

maybe justinh does not enjoy bankrolling the storage industry

[21:26:18]

sphery:

heh, the wiki has help output from an /old/ version of mythrename.pl... http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythrename.pl

[21:26:25]

justinh:

hey, I pay for my storage fair & square

[21:26:37]

justinh:

sphery: I think I was responsible for that

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GreyFoxx:

bah your all wrong

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justinh:

still, wrong info is better than no info. So says everybody 2.0

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** GreyFoxx makes the 3 line change to support --file and makes it a user job **

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GreyFoxx:

;)

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dubstar_04:

iamlindoro: what is your patch named in trac?

[21:28:21]

iamlindoro_:

#6158 and #6159

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iamlindoro_:

IIRC

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sphery:

There, fixed the --help output on wiki

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dubstar_04:

iamlindoro: i love the idea about keeping seasons all in folders, nice ouch

[21:31:41]

dubstar_04:

oops *touch

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wagnerrp:

it certainly cleans things up for folders that would otherwise have hundreds of files

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iamlindoro_:

dubstar_04: Thanks-- I like to archive a few shows and had been meaning to do it for a long time, and then I started interfacing it with my fanart/banner/screenshot work and so now 6158–6159 has sort of become one big Ã¼ber-patch

[21:37:38]

sphery:

justinh: btw, I wasn't complaining that someone put the --help output in the page, but just laughing at the fact that it hadn't been updated in forever... Wasn't your job to update it--it was mine since I was the one who noticed it was old. :)

[21:37:45]

iamlindoro_:

That does three or four different things

[21:38:37]

sphery:

Though updating it would have been a /real/ pain (because of the fact that every line needs an initial space to be boxed appropriately) without vi and %s/^/ /

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dubstar_04:

I always joked saying how good it would be if it could transcode, archive, and fetch the artwork...

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: shouldn't you be telling GreyFoxx about your patches? You know, commit privileges, and all...

[21:40:17]

iamlindoro_:

If greyfoxx wants to look at and commit #6159 I won't poke him in the eye or anything :)

[21:40:34]

justinh:

sphery: wasn't saying I was getting the blame for anything :)

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iamlindoro_:

Then I can break #6158 out into two patches, one for PBB support of the metadata+ hunt, and a smaller one for the export code, then bug gbee to commit the PBB fanart support ;)

[21:41:21]

justinh:

I think I need to go out & get completely & utterly wasted tomorrow night. And maybe take some recreational drugs

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dubstar_04:

ok next question, is there anyway to get transcode to output an .mp4 rather than a .nuv?

[21:41:39]

justinh:

er.. everything apart from the last bit. staying out til 4am will do

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sphery:

heh, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythrename.pl#User_Contributed_Tips is a wonderful tip... truncates the description after 251 chars (to allow for a period and 3-char extension) so it fits in the 255-character maximum filename length... unless, of course, you also include things like the title and/or subtitle of the show in the filename :)

[21:42:05]

iamlindoro_:

dubstar_04: Not with mythtranscode-- to get MP4 output you currently would need to use ffmpeg or mencoder in a user job

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sphery:

perhaps I should do the right fix (in the safe filename stuff)

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justinh:

dubstar_04: with your own script, sure.. otherwise you'll have to resort to hacking mythtranscode

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dubstar_04:

a nuv is basically a rejuped mp4 file anyway isnt it?

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justinh:

nuv is just a container

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justinh:

it can hold mpeg4 or rtjpeg video

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sphery:

justinh: May want to talk to MythSkype guy... Sounds like he's planning on going out and getting wasted, and may even be able to hook you up on the other front, too. :)

[21:44:17]

justinh:

lol

[21:44:45]

justinh:

I haven't had a drink since erm.. not a real drink.. since erm... all year. Eep

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iamlindoro_:

He's doing the two-for-one with absynthe

[21:44:57]

iamlindoro_:

But he's in slovenia, so far away from justinh

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sphery:

dubstar_04: look at nuvexport, too

[21:45:07]

iamlindoro_:

although on a side note, jaw-droppingly gorgeous country

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sphery:

dubstar_04: it's basically the wrapper script for ffmpeg/mencoder/transcode

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: hey with some of the people I know, that could be where you'd end up

[21:45:31]

iamlindoro_:

justinh: Those are the right friends to have ;)

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sphery:

dubstar_04: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Nuvexport

[21:46:10]

justinh:

past tense. since they all got married & had kids.. they no longer go out. since when did settling down have to mean staying in?

[21:46:38]

** stuarta JD's justinh **

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GlemSom:

sphery, I was away from the computer when you wrote me about #6018. But I recently did a fresh install of -fixes – and I cannot reproduce the problem... So guess it should be marked as "works for me" – or "fixed"...

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sphery:

cool, it's already been marked that way...

[21:47:14]

sphery:

that was a short return

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** justinh saves the JD for the long night in store tomorrow **

[21:47:25]

justinh:

cheers!

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dubstar_04:

sphery: thanks

[21:48:14]

justinh:

bottled out of buying my new chainsaw tonight. will have to get it on saturday. oops. hangover + chainsaw. rethink required

[21:48:38]

meshe:

haha

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sphery:

dubstar_04: there are also examples of using nuvexport in user jobs at several places on the wiki... some in the examples at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_job

[21:49:04]

sphery:

plus more, IIRC

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justinh:

reminds me I never got around to removing the manual DB hacking parts of that page

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** sphery wonders why MediaWiki has a {{Wrongtitle|correct title}} thing that puts a warning on the page rather than just having it modify the title above (who cares if the URI and title don't match) **

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** justinh just wonders why MediaWiki... **

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iamlindoro_:

Is there a better alternative?

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iamlindoro_:

It might not be perfect, but is arguably known by the most people

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sphery:

OK, so Skype just announced they will write free licenses for the audio CODEC... What about the protocol?

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dubstar_04:

ok a question to the devs: what is your most required plugin for myth?

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meshe:

probably no, i dont think they want the interoperability

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dubstar_04:

i meant desired, not required...

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sphery:

not a dev, but the only plugin I occasionally use is MythVideo

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meshe:

not a dev, but mythvideo is used more often on my system than mythtv

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iamlindoro_:

!trout sphery not-a-dev-BS

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** MythLogBot slaps sphery with a not-a-dev-BS trout on behalf of iamlindoro_... **

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meshe:

has any work been done on mythmusic since 0.21?

[22:04:57]

sphery:

I've been in MythMusic before (to see that it worked), but I don't have a collection of CD's/MP3's/..., so it's not useful to me; I don't really want to turn on the TV for images, so no MythGallery; I have a gaming console, so no desire for MythGame; I never turn on the TV to use MythWeather/MythMovies (when I have computers scattered all around my house); don't archive, so no need for MythArchive; don't have KDE libs, so no ...

[22:05:04]

sphery:

... MythBrowser/MythNews (and in trunk/0.22, don't ever see myself browsing on the TV when I have computers scattered...); no zonealarm, so no MythZoneMinder; and no NetFlix, so no MythFlix.

[22:05:17]

sphery:

Though I will say I use MythWeb a /lot/--but it's not really a plugin (i.e. doesn't use the plugin API)

[22:05:32]

iamlindoro_:

meshe: It's being rewritten for MythUI and a fair amount of functionality will probably be added as a part of that

[22:05:44]

meshe:

iamlindoro_: sweet!

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iamlindoro_:

yeah, it should be a very different experience in .22

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meshe:

that's one plugin i would love to love :)

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iamlindoro_:

You and me both

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meshe:

new mac mini and the apple remote app on our iphone may solve that problem

[22:10:05]

meshe:

anybody else here have urges to buy tech stuff, my mind is bouncing between mac mini, netbooks and a macbook pro?

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dubstar_04:

i'm building a kitcar so i spend most of my money on that!!

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laga:

what's a kitcar?

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dubstar_04:

ha ha

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meshe:

a pretty fun sounding project

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justinh:

it has a red swishy light at the front & it talks!

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dubstar_04:

kind of

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Penfold:

no, that's a Kittcar.

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meshe:

that's what my husband want's to build

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meshe:

and of course, i'd be the one doing all the software for it

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justinh:

the voice of the car is dead :(

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meshe:

i know :(

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meshe:

poor uncredited guy

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justinh:

he was the only person in that show who didn't need a credit :P

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justinh:

even I knew it was that bloke wot was in St Elsewhere

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dubstar_04:

does anyone know of a night school in the north west of the uk that teaches c++? i have phoned 2 but they said they dont do it anymore...

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justinh:

dubstar_04: Bolton .. but it's just for fun.. and also apparently not running much

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dubstar_04:

thats one of the ones i phoned

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justinh:

I was looking during the week too. nothing turned up

[22:16:04]

justinh:

looks like its online or bust

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dubstar_04:

if you find anywhere could you let me know?

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justinh:

yeah no probs

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justinh:

btw plenty 'affiliated' courses for Â£Â£Â£Â£Â£Â&po und;Â£Â£Â£Â£

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dubstar_04:

if anyone else says "we teach a java class" i will do something terrible...

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justinh:

yeah java, ruby, .net ...

[22:17:21]

justinh:

even saw php & mysql. no c++ though :-\

[22:17:37]

justinh:

well, no standalone nightclasses in c++ anyway

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dubstar_04:

the only reason i'm interested is for hobbies, mythtv, and multitouch stuff

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sphery:

justinh: the voice of the car lives on: http://www.knightridergps.com/

[22:18:17]

justinh:

yeah I want it to help with understanding my hacking

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dubstar_04:

I bough the latest qt4 book, which is good, but no use if you dont already know c++

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justinh:

sphery: the pitch is wrong :(

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justinh:

oh bugger. that's got to be a shoddy NTSC/PAL conversion thing. LOL

[22:22:06]

justinh:

wait. it'd be slower if anything. hrm. definitely sounds slowed down in those samples

[22:22:09]

lifewithryan_:

alot of places are now leaving C and C++ and doing Python, Java, Ruby, etc

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lifewithryan_:

as far as classes go

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lifewithryan_:

...well thats here in the states too, so my comment was completely useless, sorry

[22:22:50]

wagnerrp:

why? i would hope serious applications would not be programmed in a scripting language

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awilkins:

THose languages are great, but for Software Freedom you still need skilled C++ers

[22:23:03]

awilkins:

And C-er

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awilkins:

Why wouldn't you write serious apps in scripting languages?

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wagnerrp:

those languages are great for people who dont know how to program

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lifewithryan_:

they're great period if you ask me

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wagnerrp:

but you do realize that all those python modules you load are programmed in c++ right?

[22:23:56]

lifewithryan_:

but i didn't want to spawn a discussion ;)

[22:23:58]

justinh:

have you ever tried doing anything in python? I can't make head nor tail of it

[22:24:01]

awilkins:

Yes, hence my point about Software Freedom

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wagnerrp:

they are good for scripts, and possibly program management

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lifewithryan_:

i use python daily

[22:24:23]

wagnerrp:

but gruntwork should always be programmed in at least a compiled language

[22:24:32]

lifewithryan_:

and yes, modules in C/C++ thats fine with me

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awilkins:

There are at least 2 version control systems written in python – serious ones, that the likes of Mozilla use

[22:24:49]

lifewithryan_:

hell half my linux apps are python-based

[22:24:53]

justinh:

anyway. mythtv isn't written in feckin python

[22:25:00]

wagnerrp:

are they written in python? or are they written as python modules?

[22:25:00]

awilkins:

No reason it couldn't be though

[22:25:06]

justinh:

so. if you want to dev for mythtv, you have to learn c++

[22:25:10]

justinh:

end of story

[22:25:10]

lifewithryan_:

python, wxwindows, etc

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lifewithryan_:

always wanted to learn C and C++

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lifewithryan_:

*sigh8

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lifewithryan_:

er

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awilkins:

I reckon Myth would evolve faster if it was Python with some C++ modules for performance critical stuff

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sid3windr:

it would evolve even faster if it were php !

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justinh:

anyway, I've yet to see any college offering python courses

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lifewithryan_:

*erk*

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sid3windr:

not that most people would like the direction of the evolution.

[22:26:16]

sid3windr:

if myth were java I'd sure have contributed :>

[22:26:33]

wagnerrp:

playback, transcoding, recording on non-hardware/non-digital recorders, large parts of the UI, would all have to be rewritten as modules

[22:26:37]

lifewithryan_:

i read somewhere last week of a college her in the states...and i know our local tech college does

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wagnerrp:

not as straight python code

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quadtree:

It would evolve fastest if it was completely imaginary. then you could do anything.

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sid3windr:

quadtree: sounds great. got a package manager for that? =)

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lifewithryan_:

thats funny

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justinh:

lifewithryan_: funny. UK != USA

[22:27:19]

justinh:

we're trying to be though.. bear with us

[22:27:26]

lifewithryan_:

lol, not what I meant justinh

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sphery:

Isn't MythTV switching to Flash? Or was that just a rumor?

[22:27:30]

** justinh hands everybody some crack and a handgun **

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lifewithryan_:

no, Adobe Air :)

[22:27:45]

wagnerrp:

the UK wont be the USA until you all stop talking so... british...

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** AndyCap makes a crackgun **

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sphery:

I heard that kormoc is porting MythWeb to Python...

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lifewithryan_:

<------- wishes I could sound like that

[22:28:02]

lifewithryan_:

then i'd get laid

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lifewithryan_:

;)

[22:28:11]

justinh:

why would anybody want to sound British?

[22:28:12]

lifewithryan_:

'cept for my teeth

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: I'm pretty sure MythUI is all clutter

[22:28:22]

sphery:

that makes sense... gloss-y

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lifewithryan_:

(this is all in jest by the way)

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wagnerrp:

i mean why else would we have to remake all your tv shows to air over here?

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justinh:

lifewithryan_: the secret of the accent is all in the teeth :P

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bocaJ:

Sphery: I noticed that mythweb is set up to stream flash

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lifewithryan_:

well bloody hell

[22:28:50]

justinh:

people with great teeth all sound like Americans

[22:29:05]

lifewithryan_:

i just snorted....

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sphery:

bocaJ: has the capability in a proof-of-concept-but-never-meant-for-real-use feature that must be enabled by the user

[22:29:18]

kormoc:

sphery, it's so true. I quit my job just to port it that much faster

[22:29:21]

wagnerrp:

good thing we tainted our water supply with fluoride

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dubstar_04:

justinh: arent you a from the north east?

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awilkins:

It's the dampening resonance of eneven teeth that produces our unique timbre and self-effacing humour

[22:29:30]

sphery:

kormoc: now you /finally/ get FOSS...

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justinh:

dubstar_04: whey aye

[22:29:42]

dubstar_04:

exactly

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awilkins:

Porting mythweb to python, ace

[22:30:07]

awilkins:

You got any branches anywhere they can be seen?

[22:30:10]

sphery:

bocaJ: but you have to have a MythWeb host with access to recordings and that's fast enough to transcode your recordings in real-time to flash video

[22:30:12]

** kormoc blinks **

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lifewithryan_:

mythweb in django...hmmmm

[22:30:20]

wagnerrp:

awilkins: im pretty sure it was a joke

[22:30:43]

sphery:

awilkins: it was a joke... a user /demanded/ that he port it to Python

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dubstar_04:

i'm trying to port mythplugins i have written to anything that will bloody work

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bocaJ:

Sphery: Thank you for clearing that up; what is the ASX stream feature about?

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awilkins:

Windows Media Player

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wagnerrp:

well why dont we just trash everything and reprogram it in lisp and cobol

[22:31:57]

wagnerrp:

use fortran for the encoding grunt

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lifewithryan_:

nah, just go straight to assembler

[22:32:11]

awilkins:

I always find mplayer and the direct download link works best for mythweb links

[22:32:14]

lifewithryan_:

better yet, straight up 1's and 0's

[22:32:22]

awilkins:

mplayer understands HTTP enough to ask for ranges

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wagnerrp:

but assembler wont work on both my transmeta and via chips

[22:32:33]

sphery:

lifewithryan_: yeah, assembly is the way to go... everything else wastes CPU resources--and we all know how expensive CPU time is, anymore

[22:32:36]

awilkins:

All the other players wont seek (VLC, etc)

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lifewithryan_:

i've never even attempted to learn/read/understand assembler

[22:33:01]

xris:

the flash player would be nice except... no way to cut commercials, no real way to make a gpl-friendly player.. the flash IDE is not open source.

[22:33:04]

awilkins:

I knew some 6502 and Z80

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xris:

and not enough people know how to use flex.

[22:33:14]

sphery:

I'd give people-months of effort to save a few nanoseconds on a function that would take 3 minutes to dev in C++ anyday...

[22:33:17]

awilkins:

But processors were simpler beasts back then

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lifewithryan_:

i'm tellin ya, Adobe Air

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lifewithryan_:

write it in HTML/Ajax, add some JQuery for simple effects, pipe that bitch across the wire

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justinh:

maybe the Flash SATA would be faster than the IDE

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kormoc:

cause that's so much different then we have now?

[22:34:05]

sphery:

why go with Air? Why not sell out completely and go SilverLight?

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awilkins:

Heh, what about ATA over ethernet

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lifewithryan_:

oh fuck yea! (sorry)

[22:34:25]

lifewithryan_:

and write the rest in .Net

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wagnerrp:

sphery: well in our case, it would be moonlight

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iamlindoro_:

Ooooooh, then we could DRM our recordings like the big kids do

[22:34:50]

sphery:

wagnerrp: moonlight is a wannabe... We should just drop *nix support and use a real OS.

[22:34:52]

justinh:

bah. convert myth to .net for what? anything but making it a plugin for MCE would be silly

[22:35:04]

sphery:

(the only OS in existence--as everything else is just a kernel or apps... :)

[22:35:04]

awilkins:

Yes, MythTV 1.0 – in C#/Mono , Moonlight web front end

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lifewithryan_:

(this is all in jest, yet again)

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lifewithryan_:

(I hope)

[22:35:19]

sphery:

yes... for me, it's in jest.

[22:35:22]

wagnerrp:

doesnt linux run on windows anyway?

[22:35:26]

lifewithryan_:

*phew*

[22:35:33]

wagnerrp:

i mean how could you run a system without windows being installed?

[22:35:36]

** kormoc waits for the slashdot story about myth 1.0 releasing in a month as c# and python **

[22:35:41]

sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, colinux...

[22:35:46]

iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp: Are you implying that linux can run free of windows? I think you need to check your assumptions.

[22:36:00]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro_: thats the one...

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** awilkins runs linux in a VM under windows and feels.. dirty **

[22:36:02]

iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp: ISM tried with OS/2 but couldn't keep up

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gbee:

I hoped you were all joking about python, nevermind what followed

[22:36:10]

iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp: er IBM

[22:36:19]

iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp: Heheh, I love that one

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dubstar_04:

imagine joint the irc now...

[22:36:49]

sphery:

awilkins: nothing like building a fortress on top quicksand...

[22:36:53]

wagnerrp:

dubstar_04: i have no idea what that is supposed to mean

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lifewithryan_:

hell i run windows in a VM on linux just so I can kill -9 the bitch

[22:37:20]

kormoc:

gbee, I don't do Python or Ruby, so if someone wasn't joking, it's not gonna be me

[22:37:26]

dubstar_04:

wagnerrp: neither have i!

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lifewithryan_:

lol kormoc

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: well, when MS stopped helping IBM with OS/2, they were kind of out of luck.

[22:37:40]

lifewithryan_:

i do python but not ruby

[22:37:47]

lifewithryan_:

and hell, i'm not on the project

[22:38:05]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: Apple just spent years and millions of dollars trying, and then gave up and went to windows and Intel

[22:38:13]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MS-OS2-v1.0-diskettes.jpg

[22:38:21]

gbee:

python is a constrictor, it wraps itself around your project and squeezes out the life

[22:38:23]

** iamlindoro_ is a little sad that he can almost quote that post word for word **

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro_: and look, theyre gaining market share as a result! windows ftw!

[22:38:46]

iamlindoro_:

gbee: But all the best projects for stealing^H^H^H^H^H freeing movies are in python!

[22:38:52]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: which post?

[22:38:58]

lifewithryan_:

apple went to windows? color me confused

[22:39:08]

awilkins:

But two of the best next-generation version control systems are in python....

[22:39:28]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-12355-0.html?f . . . amp;start=43

[22:39:39]

iamlindoro_:

a newer-ish internet meme about linux

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awilkins:

I mean, I have some reservations about dynamicly typed languages, but I've got quite fond of python

[22:39:49]

sphery:

awilkins: no, that would be the web interfaces to the standard c-based version control systems, right?

[22:39:57]

wagnerrp:

awilkins: version control doesnt really need much power

[22:40:21]

lifewithryan_:

OMG, is that link for reals?

[22:40:29]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: I used to lovingly run OS/2 back in the day-- fun times

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: wow... am speechless...

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awilkins:

sphery: No, Bazaar and Mercurial, both about 95% python

[22:41:08]

iamlindoro_:

The consensus appears to be that the original post is real, but now people post it all over the place to troll when people haven't read the original

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lifewithryan_:

<---- going to PyCon 2009 in Chicago

[22:41:17]

sphery:

hmmm... I thought you meant Trac and its ilk

[22:41:18]

awilkins:

And a great deal of git is shell scripts – that's about as scripty as you ccan get!

[22:41:35]

sphery:

I have to say I hate both bzr and Hg...

[22:41:37]

jarle:

anybody else using monit to monitor the backend? I'm wondering if the "if failed port 6544 proto http then restart"-test might fail if the backend is just a bit busy, and if I should give it a bit more chance to respond before monit will restart the backend?

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** JEDIDIAH__ just uses hand crafted korn (no monit) **

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sphery:

jarle: most people who have used monit to monitor the backend by hitting 6544 have caused more crashes than helped... There have been several times where the HTTP server caused crashes when hit too frequently

[22:43:39]

sphery:

jarle: I'm a fan of a more useful (mythproto) check... Something like with myth_ping.pl at http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/370119#370119

[22:44:52]

awilkins:

You have backend lockups?

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jarle:

sphery: the .pid test will cover the event that the backend is not running anymore I guess...

[22:45:16]

awilkins:

Before I killed my backend in a giant retard moment, my backup was really stable

[22:45:34]

sphery:

jarle: that could work, too... myth_ping.pl works even across the network.

[22:45:37]

JEDIDIAH__:

mine tends to get hungup on previews. the main backend process will go bye-bye and there will be a couple of preview processes hung

[22:45:44]

sphery:

but for monit, that's not really necessary

[22:45:50]

awilkins:

Mind, I was doing nvram-wakeup, so the process didn't really have time to get stale

[22:45:51]

jarle:

awilkins: monit will restart the backend every day or so lately...

[22:45:53]

sphery:

oh, and myth_ping.pl only checks the master backend

[22:46:06]

JEDIDIAH__:

...dunno if that is a cause or symptom (I think it's just a symptom)

[22:46:14]

awilkins:

jarle: Are you on analogue or digital tuners?

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** sphery is being DOS'ed by another stupid ad on a webpage... **

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awilkins:

I reckon digital tuners are probably more stable because all they have to do is pipe data into a file....

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jarle:

awilkins: dvb-s (I just enabled epg on my inputs so I guees the epg-stuff might still be a bit flaky...

[22:47:17]

sphery:

I don't run any kind of monitoring for my systems...

[22:47:29]

awilkins:

Maybe... the eit stuff is pretty good here

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awilkins:

8 days of EPG

[22:47:39]

awilkins:

Better than XMLTV

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sphery:

I took an alternative course of action--I just made systems where mythbackend never crashes (and if the system loses power, it reboots on power return)

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awilkins:

(well, the descriptions aren't as good as the radio times XMLTV used to be, but the data quality includes programID

[22:48:33]

sphery:

but I think I'd trust the .pid test more than the 6544 test--mainly because of times when requests are queued for too long on the HTTP server in myth

[22:48:53]

awilkins:

I was running on the revision of trunk one-before the Qt4 merge

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awilkins:

That was very stable for me

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sphery:

awilkins: better would be to switch to current -fixes from that revision

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awilkins:

I'm on Mythbuntu-packaged now

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sphery:

svn switch and one rm is all that's necessary...

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sphery:

that works even better :)

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gbee:

8 days is better than 14 days of Radio Times data?

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** jarle is commenting out the port 6544 test for a while to see how it works out... **

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sphery:

jarle: good luck

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awilkins:

It has some fields that the RT data didn't, like program guides

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awilkins:

And it arrives constantly, adds new channels without rescanning, s/guides/ids/

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awilkins:

And the descriptions are short enough to fit on the screen, even if they aren't as flowery

[22:51:34]

justinh:

but they're often still to effing generic

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gbee:

program ids are great, but in practice the RT data always included subtitles and consistent descriptions meaning I've never really needed them

[22:52:03]

sphery:

I wonder if going to the EFF's new Surveillance Self-Defense site ( https://ssd.eff.org/ ) will get me on any government watch lists...

[22:52:12]

awilkins:

Yes, some of the quality of the eit data could improve

[22:52:23]

justinh:

and program ids are only as good as what the EIT monkeys type in

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gbee:

plus myth places too much faith in program ids, meaning if they ever screw up you lose recordings :(

[22:52:40]

awilkins:

sphery: Likely you're behind a transparent proxy and your whole ISP has been tarred with that brush

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sphery:

just means you have to get better monkeys :)

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reeeeeesty:

when i insert my tuner card... i cant start x :[

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justinh:

and er.. where do you get 'new channels' from without rescanning?

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gbee:

personally I'll take Radiotimes over EIT any day, but only for the channels I most frequently record from, eit is fine for the news/radio etc

[22:53:25]

reeeeeesty:

when you insert a pci card... does it change all pci card locations?

[22:54:06]

lifewithryan_:

outta here folks, thanks for the help earlier, got some stuff to try tonight

[22:54:08]

awilkins:

gbee: Is RT working again?

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awilkins:

gbee: It failed last year and I never picked it up again

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justinh:

ruh?

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justinh:

you must be impatient!

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awilkins:

justinh: It failed for at least a month or two

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justinh:

nah

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justinh:

no way

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gbee:

never been down that long

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jarle:

Is it possible to have shows in a specific recording group NOT show up in the list of all programs? So the the shows will only be listed when you filter on the specific recording group?

[22:55:46]

justinh:

I use it, and I think I'd have remembered

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justinh:

a few days at most

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justinh:

certainly not gone AWOL like bleb is known to do

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awilkins:

It was at least 2 weeks because I ran out of data... but maybe it came back and needed reconfiguring

[22:57:02]

justinh:

nah

[22:57:09]

** awilkins remembers it like that **

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awilkins:

But hey, it was a year ago

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justinh:

last time it broke IIRC, data went missing for a few days then the grabber needed a fix

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awilkins:

justinh: You don't use EIT then?

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justinh:

you should see the uk_rt configure script these days. nifty

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justinh:

only for radio channels & a few scum channels

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awilkins:

justinh: That's where the new channel data comes from

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awilkins:

justinh: I noticed new channels just appearing one day and reasoned it was because I turned on EIT

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justinh:

yeah but a channel which you don't have in myth won't just appear in mythtv

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justinh:

not since 0.17

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justinh:

or was it 0.18?

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awilkins:

What, they start hidden or something?

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justinh:

they start by NOT BEING THERE AT ALL

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kormoc:

can't see the channels for all the lineups?

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awilkins:

Yes, but the EIT parser will find them and put them in

[23:00:13]

awilkins:

After your initial scan.

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gbee:

no

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justinh:

if you're seeing new channels which come along & they suddenly appear in your guide, I suspect something is wrong

[23:00:49]

justinh:

god, if only

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justinh:

the way freeview shuffles things around every 5 mins

[23:01:34]

awilkins:

I was deleting some of them and they'd come back..,.

[23:01:38]

gbee:

hmm, that's funky, mpeg2 SD using 60% CPU?

[23:02:32]

justinh:

awilkins: nah. that sort of stuff hasn't happened for ages, not since < 0.20

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awilkins:

Why isn't that desirable?

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jarle:

awilkins: you use xmltv in addition to eit?

[23:04:03]

justinh:

I'm saying that channels don't just re-add themselves

[23:04:03]

awilkins:

jarle: I had a time when I used both, patched some of the SQL to stop it clashing

[23:05:12]

jarle:

awilkins: If you are running mythfilldatabase grabbing xmltv data that has no channel configured in the db, a new emty channel will be created to store the epg data...

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awilkins:

jarle: I don't believe that was the case, my config was pretty static for xmltv

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awilkins:

It may have been earlier versions, I've been running on various versions of trunk since 0.16/0.17

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gbee:

earlier versions would scan for channels in the background, as some STBs do, but that was decided to be a bad thing because it meant uncontrolled additions/deletions/changes to a users lineup which affected scheduling and caused the loss of user changes to things like channel visibility, names and callsigns

[23:17:00]

awilkins:

So you have to rescan now?

[23:17:08]

awilkins:

Does it preserve existing channels?

[23:17:17]

awilkins:

I remember that being a bit .. hinky .. in the past

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gbee:

rescanning behaves much better now, preserves existing channels and channel configurations

[23:17:38]

awilkins:

Coolio

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awilkins:

And you can furtle with channum to your hearts content?

[23:18:11]

awilkins:

(what's the algorithm that determines initial values of channum anyway, mine are insane)

[23:18:11]

gbee:

yeah

[23:18:31]

awilkins:

BBC1 – 1 (that's good) ITV1 – 1691

[23:18:34]

awilkins:

Mad

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awilkins:

ITV1 should be 3

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gbee:

depends on the source, for DVB-T in the UK the channum comes from the DVB stream's LCN descriptor – i.e. Freeview assigns the channel number

[23:19:24]

awilkins:

So they should be the same as the ones a digital TV tells you?

[23:19:35]

awilkins:

eg cbeebies 71?

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gbee:

if you have 1691 for ITV1 then that suggests you last scanned before we used the LCN – 0.18?

[23:20:21]

gbee:

mine are all numbered correctly

[23:20:22]

awilkins:

I scanned this morning

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gbee:

awilkins: 0.21?

[23:20:38]

awilkins:

For the first time... cbeebies says 16960

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awilkins:

Mythbuntu packaged

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awilkins:

0.21-fixes (some date)

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gbee:

dunno what is happening there

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gbee:

poor signal maybe? It's not seeing the SDT ...

[23:22:02]

awilkins:

Signal seems good, the video stream is steady enough

[23:22:42]

awilkins:

I'll just customise them anyway, so it's not a bother

[23:22:45]

awilkins:

It just seemed odd

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iamlindoro:

sphery, Have you seen the latest post on the users list "how do I remove recordings without files?" I'm tempted to reply with, "Congratulations, you've invented the myth.find_orphans.pl script" but fear it would be taken wrong. ;)

[23:23:27]

awilkins:

All the callsigns are OK so it shouldn't be a signal problem

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awilkins:

iamlindoro: I used to have the opposite problem ; files without rows in "recorded"

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awilkins:

occupying disk space :-)

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iamlindoro:

awilkins, The same script solves that too ;)

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awilkins:

Coolio

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awilkins:

Dammit, still having the "myth thinks my 4:3 pixel res means a 4:3 screen" issue

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gbee:

awilkins: Appearance settings, display aspect

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awilkins:

gbee: Ok, I'll try that

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awilkins:

gbee: I've compared my old settings table with the new one to see what's changed and that didn't show up

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awilkins:

gbee: Are we talking about AspectOverride ?

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awilkins:

or TVVidModeForceAspect?

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awilkins:

That doesn't seem to fix it.

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awilkins:

Bah

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