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| [00:45:10] | iamlindoro: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813500022 |
| [00:45:39] | iamlindoro: | For those who want something roughly mini or Apple TV sized in a VDPAU capable variety |
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| [00:46:04] | iamlindoro: | Or who want all the niceties of ION with a beefier processor |
| [00:46:31] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, Think we had talked aboutt hat one a few months ago? Thought you might have some interest |
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| [00:48:43] | elmojo_: | i need to check how much video memory is allocated on that MB |
| [00:49:30] | iamlindoro: | on which? The zotac is user-assignable up to 512 |
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| [00:50:09] | elmojo_: | cool |
| [00:50:18] | jduggan: | board looks nice |
| [00:50:25] | jduggan: | doesnt look like its on sale in the UK |
| [00:50:44] | iamlindoro: | It's only been out for two weeks (and only really in retailers for a day or two) |
| [00:50:52] | iamlindoro: | so it'll likely show up there within a few weeks |
| [00:51:06] | jduggan: | for a small fortune no doubt |
| [00:51:08] | jduggan: | :P |
| [00:51:10] | iamlindoro: | no doubt |
| [00:52:01] | Dagmar: | holy crap $144? Geez |
| [00:52:26] | elmojo_: | i like the idea of building a non-proprietary mini-itx system using the Zotac MB versus buying an ION from PC maker |
| [00:54:13] | elmojo_: | that's the wifi version.. looks like they also have one without wifi |
| [00:54:50] | iamlindoro: | Was fairly certian the non-wifi is micro atx |
| [00:54:57] | elmojo_: | you are correct |
| [00:55:03] | elmojo_: | just noticed that |
| [00:55:54] | iamlindoro: | http://wiki.multimedia.cx/index.php?title=FFm . . . plementation |
| [00:55:58] | iamlindoro: | Well well well |
| [00:56:02] | iamlindoro: | That would be interesting |
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| [02:27:01] | ChesFTC: | Hi, I'm trying to use the RecordOverTime setting, but it doesn't appear to be working |
| [02:27:48] | ChesFTC: | Is it still supported until 0.21? |
| [02:33:20] | Kazan: | not familiar with that setting |
| [02:33:32] | Kazan: | unless you're talking about the "record X minutes after" setting in mythweb |
| [02:33:35] | Kazan: | whih works for me |
| [02:33:54] | ChesFTC: | The idea is that it'll automatically add x seconds at the end to each recording if possible |
| [02:34:15] | Kazan: | i don't know if that is the exact feature used |
| [02:34:20] | Kazan: | but try x minutes in mythweb |
| [02:34:21] | ChesFTC: | it's for crappy networks that don't broadcast on time |
| [02:34:35] | ChesFTC: | Yeah, except in that case, there will be conflicts |
| [02:34:38] | Staticwave_Ace: | yeah, only minute offset is available |
| [02:34:48] | Kazan: | get more tuners :P |
| [02:34:53] | Staticwave_Ace: | you'll need to move the start and end times to avoid overlaps |
| [02:34:54] | ChesFTC: | Staticwave_Ace: So the feature has been regressed? |
| [02:34:56] | Kazan: | never causes me problems with a PVR-500 and an ATSC-110 |
| [02:35:06] | Staticwave_Ace: | ChesFTC: I know of no seconds-based feature |
| [02:35:09] | Staticwave_Ace: | else I would be using it |
| [02:35:16] | Kazan: | and i never got why some networks are always 2–5 minutes off |
| [02:35:21] | Kazan: | it's not like they aren't syncing their clocks |
| [02:35:23] | Kazan: | they're doing it on purpose |
| [02:35:25] | Staticwave_Ace: | some? |
| [02:35:33] | Staticwave_Ace: | mine are all "togeather" at least |
| [02:35:47] | ChesFTC: | Here's a 'thread' on it: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-dev/2007-January/052773.html |
| [02:35:52] | ChesFTC: | Nobody replied though :( |
| [02:36:15] | Staticwave_Ace: | ChesFTC: you need to move your recordings symmetricly to avoid conflicts |
| [02:36:30] | Kazan: | you can enter negative values in the record x minutes early field |
| [02:36:37] | ChesFTC: | Yeah, I know |
| [02:36:38] | Kazan: | turning it into x minutes late |
| [02:36:46] | ChesFTC: | But it'd be nice if I didn't *have* to |
| [02:36:53] | ChesFTC: | And that's what that feature apparently did |
| [02:37:12] | ChesFTC: | Although while the database field still exists, it doesn't appear to do anything |
| [02:37:32] | Staticwave_Ace: | so that's a global offset? |
| [02:37:36] | ChesFTC: | yes |
| [02:37:43] | ChesFTC: | applied to all recording settings |
| [02:37:50] | Staticwave_Ace: | yeah people have told me it doesn't "exist" anymore |
| [02:37:57] | ChesFTC: | There's a matching one for recording before too |
| [02:37:58] | Staticwave_Ace: | it's a per recording basis now |
| [02:38:04] | ChesFTC: | hmmm |
| [02:38:11] | Staticwave_Ace: | there's a default offset for new recordings avaiable |
| [02:38:25] | ChesFTC: | yeah, but it causes conflicts |
| [02:38:33] | ChesFTC: | and won't silently drop the extension |
| [02:38:35] | Staticwave_Ace: | not if you move everything symmetricly |
| [02:38:49] | ChesFTC: | I know, but I shouldn't have to |
| [02:38:56] | ChesFTC: | We write software to make our lives easier |
| [02:39:03] | ChesFTC: | That's the whole point of PVRs |
| [02:40:04] | ChesFTC: | Anyway, I'll have a poke through the source |
| [02:40:11] | ChesFTC: | Thanks |
| [02:40:13] | Staticwave_Ace: | well you could make an SQL thingy to move all of the recordings |
| [02:40:29] | Staticwave_Ace: | but yeah it's silly to not be able to shift *all* of them at once |
| [02:40:40] | Staticwave_Ace: | because the clocks of my source drift respect to me |
| [02:41:41] | ChesFTC: | Well, I guess there's NTP to fix that |
| [02:42:14] | Staticwave_Ace: | yeah I'm ntp'd |
| [02:42:15] | Staticwave_Ace: | they're not |
| [02:43:59] | ChesFTC: | Well, you'd think they'd be |
| [02:44:26] | ChesFTC: | For me in Brisbane, channel 10 deliberately messes around with the start times |
| [02:44:27] | ** thefRont thinks about buying the new mac mini to use it as the next mythtv box ** | |
| [02:44:40] | ChesFTC: | it's a bit pricey |
| [02:44:52] | thefRont: | the mac mini? |
| [02:44:59] | ChesFTC: | yeah |
| [02:45:00] | Staticwave_Ace: | there are cheaper/better atom based devices |
| [02:45:07] | ChesFTC: | for what it is, it's really $$$ |
| [02:45:10] | Staticwave_Ace: | nvidia's ion platform comes to mind |
| [02:45:21] | thefRont: | yes it is |
| [02:47:04] | thefRont: | but ... well ... that's apple |
| [02:47:05] | JEDIDIAH__: | a cheaper 9400M or 9300 system? |
| [02:47:18] | ChesFTC: | Yeah, I use apple laptops |
| [02:47:31] | ChesFTC: | But for something that I hide in a cupboard |
| [02:47:35] | ChesFTC: | it's too much |
| [02:47:46] | thefRont: | I already have an old mac mini running with mythtv |
| [02:47:57] | thefRont: | it's the only mac I have |
| [02:47:58] | Staticwave_Ace: | so, anyone using IVTV card (PVR-500) and having problems with no sound on recordings? |
| [02:48:05] | thefRont: | without os x of course ;) |
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| [02:49:14] | thefRont: | ok, good n8 everyone |
| [03:01:09] | Dagmar: | Staticwave_Ace: Check your firmware revisions. |
| [03:01:22] | Dagmar: | It's generally the only thiing that can cause that |
| [03:01:48] | Dagmar: | ...so long as you're using the tuner component and not the composite AV input, anyway. |
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| [03:10:40] | iamlindoro: | Heh, TMS' listing for 24 in two weeks totally gives away a plot twist |
| [03:11:22] | Dagmar: | Well, on the other end of the spectrum you have the descriptions they use for Heroes |
| [03:11:30] | iamlindoro: | or BSG |
| [03:11:41] | Dagmar: | ...where they *still* refer to Noah Bennett as "H.R.G" (Horn-Rimmed Glasses) |
| [03:12:20] | iamlindoro: | BSG 4x16 – "The survivors of a massive attack by the Cylons desperately search for the fabled 13th colony, Earth." |
| [03:12:32] | iamlindoro: | Been there, nuked that |
| [03:12:44] | Dagmar: | Oooh yeah. That pretty much covers most of the episodes |
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| [03:51:32] | Staticwave_Ace: | Dagmar: what's the latest revision? |
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| [03:55:37] | Staticwave_Ace: | Dagmar: comparing file sizes, I have the latest files |
| [03:55:59] | Staticwave_Ace: | and md5sums |
| [03:57:04] | Dagmar: | Size doesn't matter. |
| [03:57:12] | Dagmar: | www.ivtv.org |
| [03:57:15] | Staticwave_Ace: | yeah |
| [03:57:23] | Staticwave_Ace: | compared to http://dl.ivtvdriver.org/ivtv/firmware/ivtv-firmware.tar.gz |
| [03:57:26] | Staticwave_Ace: | identical files |
| [03:57:32] | Dagmar: | er www.ivtvdriver.org |
| [03:57:47] | Dagmar: | They list more than just that |
| [03:57:59] | Dagmar: | Try reading the entire page instead of just skimming until you see the download link |
| [03:58:04] | Dagmar: | There's more than one source listed. |
| [03:58:20] | Staticwave_Ace: | "The easiest way to obtain the firmware files is to simply download this file. This file is meant for ivtv-0.4.2 and up and always contains the recommended firmware versions." |
| [03:58:25] | Staticwave_Ace: | I guess I need the beats then |
| [03:58:32] | Staticwave_Ace: | *betas |
| [04:01:12] | josh_: | what's the biggest mysql database you guys have seen on /var ? |
| [04:01:25] | josh_: | (Yes, I filled up my root filesystem) |
| [04:03:49] | Dagmar: | You don't want to know |
| [04:04:47] | Staticwave_Ace: | I remember having to disable some logging thing so my mysql stuff didn't get into the GB's |
| [04:09:31] | Dagmar: | Binary logging. Yep it'll eat all your disks. |
| [04:10:05] | Dagmar: | Staticwave_Ace: The betas should work. They've worked for me regardless of what crazy sh*t they've got on the site elsewhere |
| [04:12:03] | Staticwave_Ace: | lovely design the hauppage site is |
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| [04:12:47] | Staticwave_Ace: | hrmm |
| [04:12:53] | Staticwave_Ace: | the beta isn't there |
| [04:13:00] | Staticwave_Ace: | er, rather there is no beta on the sitre |
| [04:13:05] | Dagmar: | Ugh. That will kinda suck |
| [04:13:19] | Dagmar: | I vaguely remember manually plundering around their FTP site |
| [04:13:34] | Staticwave_Ace: | yeah doing that now |
| [04:13:40] | Staticwave_Ace: | ah |
| [04:13:42] | Staticwave_Ace: | only one beta |
| [04:13:50] | Staticwave_Ace: | the one in the page instructions |
| [04:14:24] | Dagmar: | That one worked for me |
| [04:14:29] | Staticwave_Ace: | here's hoping |
| [04:14:41] | Staticwave_Ace: | thankfully I only record one thing on it |
| [04:14:45] | Dagmar: | I just started to go poking around their FTP site and the URL listed is valid |
| [04:14:47] | Staticwave_Ace: | but it sucks it not working every time |
| [04:14:57] | Staticwave_Ace: | yeah, extracting stuff now |
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| [04:15:34] | Staticwave_Ace: | so my 500 only needs -enc and 25840 |
| [04:16:58] | Staticwave_Ace: | updated, we'll see if it works |
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| [04:17:15] | Dagmar: | These are the versions I swear by: http://pastebin.ca/1352453 |
| [04:17:58] | Staticwave_Ace: | that's what I've got now thanks |
| [04:18:41] | Dagmar: | Excellent. |
| [04:18:58] | Dagmar: | BTW I wasn't trying to be a jerk earlier, I just much prefer to show people where to *find* their answers |
| [04:19:02] | Dagmar: | Teach a man to fish and all that |
| [04:19:21] | Dagmar: | This isn't a project for people who can't find answers. It'll drive them i-n-s-a-n-e |
| [04:19:31] | Dagmar: | Good stuff once it's working tho |
| [04:19:56] | Staticwave_Ace: | yeah I've done quite a bit of fiddling, I should probably update the wiki to indicate sound issues could be caused by old firmware |
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| [04:20:12] | Staticwave_Ace: | as it currently has some large crazy script attempting to switch sound inputs |
| [04:20:41] | Dagmar: | Really? Where? |
| [04:20:46] | Staticwave_Ace: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/PVR-500#No_sound_on_first_recording |
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| [04:21:11] | Dagmar: | Oh *that* thing |
| [04:21:12] | Dagmar: | Yech |
| [04:21:13] | Staticwave_Ace: | wonder if this will fix my terrible quality on channels < 13 |
| [04:21:31] | Dagmar: | That would probably be selecting the wrong frequency table actually |
| [04:21:42] | Dagmar: | That you're saying the VHF channels below 14 is kind of a sign |
| [04:21:55] | Staticwave_Ace: | yeah, I've heard this story before |
| [04:22:20] | Staticwave_Ace: | I did quite a bit of work on this, never really found a solution |
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| [04:22:37] | Staticwave_Ace: | Dagmar: would this be a firmware or a config issue? |
| [04:22:39] | Dagmar: | Well, unless the problem is just local signal noise, there's three basic options for a frequency table |
| [04:22:54] | Staticwave_Ace: | is that the us-cable, us-irc etc? |
| [04:22:57] | tony403: | hi all. i got my pvr150 going finally but have no sound. i have a realtek 888. is this normally a problem? |
| [04:22:59] | Dagmar: | "cable", "cable-hrc", and "cable-irc" (which are not necessarily the exact names Myth uses) |
| [04:23:16] | Dagmar: | HRC and IRC stand for harmonically related carrier and incrementally etc |
| [04:23:22] | tony403: | btw, i'm on mint 6.0 |
| [04:23:30] | Staticwave_Ace: | tony403: try and update to the beta ivtv firmwares |
| [04:23:41] | Dagmar: | I can't remember if it's HRC or IRC that's rare as heck |
| [04:23:50] | Staticwave_Ace: | Dagmar: so that's only for channels <13 that it changes? |
| [04:23:59] | Staticwave_Ace: | er <= 13 |
| [04:24:00] | Dagmar: | Well, teh entire range changes |
| [04:24:08] | tony403: | Staticwave_Ace: i'm a linux noob. is there something i change to enable beta updates? |
| [04:24:27] | Dagmar: | tony403: Red herring at the moment. Don't sweat it. |
| [04:24:45] | Dagmar: | Does sound work *on the machine*? Like does `speaker-test -t wav -c2` make it say stuff out the speakers? |
| [04:24:57] | tony403: | dagmar, yes, it works |
| [04:25:10] | Staticwave_Ace: | right, should've check if there's output :) |
| [04:25:24] | tony403: | but it is low. hold on, let me try something |
| [04:25:25] | Dagmar: | Okay, so you've punted a recording file to another machine and you're certain there's just no audio in the recording? |
| [04:25:59] | Dagmar: | Cuz if it's not necessarily that then definitely go for the beta firmware mentioned on the ivtvdriver.org site |
| [04:26:45] | tony403: | ok, tried pretty much all sound configs in myth frontend and no luck |
| [04:26:50] | Dagmar: | Some of the later cards had different audio hardware on them that required the newer firmware, which I know is something that affects the PVR-500's but I'm not so sure about the PVR-150 (don't ahev one never encountered it) |
| [04:29:12] | Staticwave_Ace: | Dagmar: a quick tuning indicates that audio has returned, I'll have to setup a test recording to see if it's truly the case |
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| [04:30:42] | Dagmar: | The firmwares can be a pain. |
| [04:30:44] | tony403: | looks like i have the latest ivtv drivers. any other options? |
| [04:31:03] | Dagmar: | tony403: The driver comes in with the kernel. I was talking about the firmware. |
| [04:31:05] | tony403: | btw, i didn't install any firmwares for the card, that i know of. just the ivtv packages |
| [04:31:40] | Dagmar: | Well, they're in /lib/firmware because of *something* or you'd get no recordings at all and a lot of complaints in syslog |
| [04:31:43] | Staticwave_Ace: | yeah those will contain the stable firmware |
| [04:32:00] | Staticwave_Ace: | you need the unpackaged beta firmware, that you'll have to install yourself |
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| [04:33:24] | tony403: | so what do i need to download in the repos to get my remote working? i figured the latest mint would autodetect. do i just install anything labeled llirc? |
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| [04:35:33] | Dagmar: | tony403: You can pretty much give up on that automagically working |
| [04:35:51] | Staticwave_Ace: | most remotes have a lirc.conf for them |
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| [04:36:00] | Staticwave_Ace: | but you need to manually map buttons to features in mythtv |
| [04:36:07] | Dagmar: | If you want something like that you can try MythBuntu, but LIRC in particular is something you basically have to read the LIRC docs just to stand a chance |
| [04:36:52] | Dagmar: | Staticwave_Ace: Well, he *could* do that but generally there's a config file somewhere already made |
| [04:37:10] | Dagmar: | The smart money is on buying a cheap One4All and telling it to pretend it's a supported remote |
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| [04:37:41] | tony403: | i got one of those too |
| [04:37:44] | Staticwave_Ace: | Dagmar: true |
| [04:38:00] | Staticwave_Ace: | couldn't find one for my ATI-RF when I went looking |
| [04:39:02] | Staticwave_Ace: | ah, and there's a wiki page now |
| [04:39:26] | tony403: | is there a dummy proof setup page for this? i googled and didn't find anything detailed |
| [04:39:37] | tony403: | for installing mythtv to make sure i done it right |
| [04:39:41] | Dagmar: | Nope. |
| [04:39:54] | Dagmar: | The MythTV wiki is pretty much it |
| [04:39:57] | tony403: | also, how do i know which firmware i have |
| [04:40:03] | Dagmar: | ...although it's fairly comprehensive. |
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| [04:40:28] | tony403: | i seen a few good guides before but back when i had an older ubuntu |
| [04:41:29] | tony403: | a couple were specific to my card, distro, etc and handholding. that's what i need cuz i'm very add. i don't even know how i manage to use linux sometimes |
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| [04:47:40] | tony403: | is there an easy way to update the firmware, like enable a repo? |
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| [05:02:39] | tony403: | i'm compiliing the latest ivtv drivers and i can't make it. do i need to install gcc, gcc+, or something? |
| [05:03:28] | iamlindoro: | You need a working build environment, kernel source/headers, and any dependencies |
| [05:03:44] | iamlindoro: | But we don't do driver compiles here, sounds like a job for #v4l |
| [05:03:59] | tony403: | crap, i'll just skip that for now and reboot to see if replacing the other firmware helped |
| [05:03:59] | iamlindoro: | (Not that we don't do it ourselves, it's just not on topic for this channel) |
| [05:04:08] | iamlindoro: | you can't just drop in random firmwares |
| [05:04:16] | iamlindoro: | ivtv firmwares need to match the driver revision |
| [05:04:24] | iamlindoro: | which in turn are matched to the kernel |
| [05:04:55] | tony403: | oops. i just download the newest on the page, extracted, and put it in /lib/firmware like it said |
| [05:05:21] | Staticwave_Ace: | well the site also said "for versions xxx... use..." |
| [05:05:25] | iamlindoro: | I'm sure whatever "it" is didn't tell you to install a random firmware without qualifying it against a version |
| [05:05:36] | tony403: | maybe i'm getting in over my head. i don't really have much time to do all this |
| [05:05:44] | tony403: | no, but i was linked to the page |
| [05:05:59] | iamlindoro: | I don't mean this to discourage or insult you, but Myth isn't the right hobby if you don't want to spend lots of time at it |
| [05:06:10] | iamlindoro: | it's a hobby, not a weekend project |
| [05:06:56] | iamlindoro: | The time spent is well rewarded, but there is definitely a time requirement to do it properly |
| [05:07:15] | Staticwave_Ace: | especially to get over the WAF heh |
| [05:07:25] | tony403: | WAF? |
| [05:07:31] | iamlindoro: | Which may, depending on who you are, involve learning a lot of basic linux knowledge, a little bit about compiling things, and an awful lot about setting up the pieces that go into myth |
| [05:07:33] | Staticwave_Ace: | wife acceptance factor |
| [05:08:12] | tony403: | oh, well i don't have one anymore. she said i spent too much time online, but that's another story |
| [05:09:42] | Joopy: | is there a capture card with svideo and audio out, or composite (RCA) and audio out too hook up to a reg TV for a decent price? |
| [05:10:07] | iamlindoro: | You don't want to do video out with a capture card, you want to do that with the graphics card |
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| [05:10:41] | Joopy: | ahhhh |
| [05:10:53] | Joopy: | thanks iamlindoro |
| [05:10:59] | iamlindoro: | no problem |
| [05:11:07] | iamlindoro: | but any halfway decent GPU should do the job nicely |
| [05:11:14] | iamlindoro: | and you'd do the audio w/ the sound card, naturally |
| [05:11:19] | Joopy: | what output on a graphics card is good for just reg tv's? |
| [05:11:23] | iamlindoro: | (or onboard sound device) |
| [05:11:35] | Joopy: | svideo and audio out i guess |
| [05:11:35] | iamlindoro: | Most recent ones have s-video, compoite and/or component |
| [05:11:40] | iamlindoro: | all of which work well |
| [05:11:56] | iamlindoro: | but component would be the best of those three, followed by s-video, followed by composite |
| [05:12:15] | iamlindoro: | so depending on your TV, choose the highest of those you can manage |
| [05:12:43] | Joopy: | it has svideo and an RCA input |
| [05:12:50] | iamlindoro: | So you'd want to use S-video then |
| [05:12:58] | Joopy: | but svide doesnt carry sound right |
| [05:13:13] | Joopy: | so do i just use the RCA for the sound |
| [05:13:18] | iamlindoro: | yep |
| [05:13:19] | Joopy: | or speakers from the computer |
| [05:13:29] | iamlindoro: | that would be fine too, whatever works for you |
| [05:13:43] | iamlindoro: | but yes, a 1/8th inch from the line out to the RCA jacks on the TV would work nicely too |
| [05:15:45] | Joopy: | thanks iamlindoro |
| [05:15:55] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [05:16:26] | Joopy: | how does mythtv detect your premium channels like HBO and Starz packages on your cable? |
| [05:17:00] | iamlindoro: | In order to get your premium channels, you generally need to capture from the analog out of a set top box |
| [05:17:20] | iamlindoro: | You probably need to read the basic parts of the manual, all of this basic information is in there |
| [05:17:39] | Joopy: | thanks iamlindoro |
| [05:21:02] | Staticwave_Ace: | Dagmar: thanks for the help, I'll have an auto-shutdown and startup + recording overnight that will confirm the new firmware working |
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| [05:24:25] | tony403: | ok, i rebooted and i click "watch tv" and it does nothing. i reinstalled my original drivers using synaptic but it didn't seem to help. any suggestions? |
| [05:25:11] | tony403: | is it as simple as replacing the ****.fw file i overwrote? |
| [05:25:15] | Staticwave_Ace: | logs... |
| [05:25:40] | Staticwave_Ace: | ugh I've got electron microscope measurements in the moring |
| [05:25:42] | Staticwave_Ace: | sleep now |
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| [05:26:24] | tony403: | good night |
| [05:26:43] | strex: | tony403: whats in the logs? |
| [05:27:06] | tony403: | i'm looking in /var/log/mythtv, that's where to look, right? |
| [05:27:31] | clever: | kernel logs will help too for driver problems |
| [05:27:31] | strex: | well, is thid a FE or BE or both |
| [05:27:35] | clever: | dmesg|tail -n50 |
| [05:27:40] | tony403: | mythfrontend.log seems to show no error lately |
| [05:27:56] | strex: | tony403: it would be BE logs.. |
| [05:28:01] | strex: | mythbackend.log |
| [05:28:27] | strex: | mine is in /var/log/mythbackend/ |
| [05:29:34] | tony403: | http://pastebin.com/d118f6cc8 |
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| [05:29:50] | tony403: | that's just recent because i only had this in the past 30 minutes |
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| [05:30:30] | tony403: | or actually, past 10 when i replaced my /lib/firmware file cuz i actually thought that was how to upgrade my firmware |
| [05:30:47] | tony403: | i guess it is but i didn't check it against my kernel and drivers |
| [05:31:19] | Lexridge: | hey guys, my buddy Gene just logged into this channel. He is having a problem with his frontend and I figured since I cannot figure it out, maybe you all could help. |
| [05:31:30] | mzb_d800_: | tony403: line 65+ seems to tell the story |
| [05:31:39] | strex: | ye |
| [05:31:40] | strex: | p |
| [05:31:50] | mzb_d800_: | read through the setup docs in the wiki (AGAIN!) |
| [05:32:12] | strex: | Lexridge: are his fingers broken? :-P |
| [05:32:33] | Lexridge: | naw, he's just slow. ;) |
| [05:32:45] | strex: | what's the issue? |
| [05:32:56] | ** mzb_d800_ laughs as Gene beats Lexridge to a pulp ** | |
| [05:32:58] | gene: | from the frontend log, when I try to watch livetv, I get a two line error msg, and the main menu comes back |
| [05:33:22] | gene: | GetEntryAt(-1) failed. |
| [05:33:45] | gene: | EntryToProgram(0@Wed Dec 31 19:00:00 1969) failed to get pginfo |
| [05:33:46] | gene: | 2009-03–04 00:25:40.061 TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started |
| [05:33:48] | gene: | 2009-03–04 00:25:40.062 TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started |
| [05:34:07] | gene: | whats with the bogus date/time? |
| [05:34:07] | Lexridge: | notice the 1969 date. Where could that be coming from? |
| [05:34:27] | strex: | ntpdate ftw |
| [05:35:01] | gene: | not, ntpdate woulf be denoied cuz ntpd is running |
| [05:35:18] | gene: | not, ntpdate would be denied cuz ntpd is running |
| [05:35:33] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [05:35:35] | Lexridge: | his system time is correct. |
| [05:35:54] | ** strex looks at iamlindoro ** | |
| [05:35:57] | iamlindoro: | That's the generic "you don't know well enough that frontend logs are useless, read the backend logs and the manual while you're at it" error |
| [05:35:57] | gene: | all other displayed times are correct |
| [05:36:45] | gene: | backend doesn't seem to have any probs |
| [05:36:56] | iamlindoro: | I bet you a million billion dollars that it does |
| [05:37:14] | iamlindoro: | In fact, I'll stake my life and the life of my dog on it |
| [05:37:27] | tony403: | suppose i just reinstall mythtv again so i have my original setup. will that help? |
| [05:37:31] | iamlindoro: | As that error in the frontend log can ONLY mean that there is something wrong with the backend |
| [05:37:50] | gene: | 2009-03–04 00:25:40.042 TVRec(4): Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV |
| [05:37:51] | gene: | 2009-03–04 00:25:40.044 TVRec(4): HW Tuner: 4->4 |
| [05:37:57] | mzb_d800_: | http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/installation- . . . perfect.html |
| [05:37:59] | iamlindoro: | please don't paste logs in here |
| [05:38:09] | iamlindoro: | paste the full log to a pastebin |
| [05:38:22] | iamlindoro: | don't be selective, paste the full thing, from startup to present |
| [05:38:32] | mzb_d800_: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/356905 |
| [05:39:03] | iamlindoro: | Because that frontend log is a 100% generic log meaning something is misconfigured |
| [05:39:14] | iamlindoro: | (on the backend) |
| [05:39:49] | gene: | http://pastebin.ca/1352488 |
| [05:40:15] | iamlindoro: | lines 34 and 35 |
| [05:40:20] | iamlindoro: | so much for the backend logs looking fine |
| [05:40:42] | iamlindoro: | sounds like people have been manually altering channel tables/not scanning with mythtv-setup/importing channels.conf |
| [05:41:26] | gene: | no, straight from the scan utility |
| [05:41:37] | iamlindoro: | which scan utility? |
| [05:41:39] | iamlindoro: | the command line one? |
| [05:41:42] | gene: | card is pc hdtv-3000 |
| [05:42:29] | gene: | no, mythtv-setup'sw scan utility |
| [05:42:46] | iamlindoro: | sounds like you did it wrong, then |
| [05:43:13] | iamlindoro: | anyway, that's your problem, set up your card properly, scan using the correct modulation and frequency tables and things should start working |
| [05:43:55] | iamlindoro: | As you're using a Digital card, but it appears to be trying to change to a whole-numbered analog channel, that's a sign you scanned incorrectly |
| [05:44:28] | iamlindoro: | DVB card type. If using cable, QAM 256, US-cable. If using OTA, 8VSB and US-bcast. |
| [05:44:31] | iamlindoro: | off to bed |
| [05:44:55] | Lexridge: | iamlindoro: He is going to delete all his cards (1 card, two tuners) and start from scratch. Thanks for you help |
| [05:45:06] | iamlindoro: | no problem, good luck, you are likely very close |
| [05:45:10] | Lexridge: | your help, that is |
| [05:49:52] | gene: | Ok, I killed the cards, added just the dvb, and its scanning now. |
| [05:50:21] | Lexridge: | gene: okay |
| [05:50:48] | gene: | This is an off-air setup only. |
| [05:51:21] | gene: | and my trial sub to the database has expired, but the data hasn't yet. |
| [05:51:48] | strex: | might wanna renew that.. |
| [05:52:48] | Lexridge: | strex: he plans to once he gets it all working.....however, I have never made it work myself without the SD database. |
| [05:55:15] | gene: | Ok, thats done, found 7 channels, including our 100 watt 6.1 |
| [05:55:52] | gene: | What is the keyboard combo to switch screens? |
| [05:55:52] | Lexridge: | gene: no way!! 6.1? incredible! |
| [05:56:11] | Lexridge: | ctl F# |
| [05:57:00] | gene: | It'll be all achy-breaky, guaranteed, with 100 kw of analog 5 in the mix. :) |
| [05:57:31] | Lexridge: | yup |
| [05:57:43] | gene: | ok thanks, I tried that & had to exit setup as it wasn't working |
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| [05:58:02] | gene: | restarting the backend now |
| [05:58:52] | Lexridge: | same error? |
| [05:59:08] | Lexridge: | or hopefully.....none :) |
| [05:59:43] | gene: | Dunno the ctl+F# isn't working |
| [05:59:54] | gene: | lemme go again. |
| [05:59:56] | strex: | f2,3 etc? |
| [06:00:00] | Lexridge: | yes |
| [06:01:52] | Lexridge: | ctl tab might help also. Depending on your setup. |
| [06:02:06] | gene: | Isn't working at all, I have to quit the frontend to regain control of the machine |
| [06:02:35] | Lexridge: | sorry, that would be alt tab. not ctl tab, but the ctrl+Fkey should work |
| [06:02:38] | tony403: | i get a signal and sound with mplayer when testing but it keeps saying in the mythbackend.log that it "could not get inputs for the capturecard". i tried v4l and MPEG option in the frontend |
| [06:02:39] | strex: | gene: so your running mythfrontend on your desktop machine? |
| [06:03:06] | gene: | this time it sorta worked, the pix & audio were extremely broken up, alternating with smal snapshots of the schedule |
| [06:03:10] | strex: | tony403: what kind of card? |
| [06:03:15] | Lexridge: | he is running both backend and frontend on his desktop machine |
| [06:03:16] | gene: | yes, all on one box |
| [06:03:24] | tony403: | it's a pvr150 |
| [06:03:46] | strex: | tony403: should choose pvr-xxx i believe it is.. |
| [06:03:55] | gene: | its an amd 9550 quad core, 4GB ram, TB + of drives |
| [06:03:57] | strex: | should show your card under probed info. |
| [06:04:41] | strex: | gene: so you have a FE/BE box and what is displayed when you run mythfrontend. |
| [06:04:50] | Lexridge: | gene: what happened after it "sorta worked"? |
| [06:05:18] | gene: | pix all busted, audio chopped up, both flashing in and out |
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| [06:05:53] | strex: | gene: what do the mythbackend logs say? |
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| [06:06:18] | gene: | FWIW, kaffeine runs, when it wants to, and gives good results, lemme look |
| [06:06:31] | Lexridge: | strex: here are his logs http://pastebin.ca/1352488 |
| [06:06:45] | strex: | Lexridge: recent logs pls |
| [06:06:56] | strex: | things have changed. |
| [06:07:09] | Lexridge: | true |
| [06:08:51] | gene: | http://pastebin.ca/1352504 |
| [06:09:20] | tony403: | ok, got it now guys, thanks. somehow my tuner1 setting got deleted. but i still have the gnome panel in full screen. is this normal? |
| [06:10:04] | gene: | I get the impression drive bandwidth is problem? 110MB/sec though. SATA interface |
| [06:10:10] | Lexridge: | gene: looks like the original error is missing, replaced by a non-existant file. humm |
| [06:10:53] | Lexridge: | line 56? |
| [06:11:09] | strex: | 57 |
| [06:11:11] | strex: | on.. |
| [06:11:20] | strex: | Could not connect to server...... |
| [06:11:29] | strex: | permissions issue may be? |
| [06:11:48] | Lexridge: | the only server the backend connects to is mysql. |
| [06:12:22] | clever: | and posible the master backend |
| [06:12:35] | clever: | (slave be->master be) |
| [06:12:44] | strex: | could not connect to server at "" and port -1.. |
| [06:12:44] | Lexridge: | not the case here. |
| [06:12:48] | strex: | missing some info may be? |
| [06:13:46] | Akkos: | i'm having a problem compiling mythtv on ubuntu 8.10... http://pastebin.ca/1352508 |
| [06:14:00] | Lexridge: | clever, my last response was to you. Everything is on one computer in his case. |
| [06:14:36] | clever: | ahh |
| [06:15:06] | strex: | mythfrontend is trying to connect to something that isn't there. |
| [06:15:20] | Lexridge: | gene: are you sure mysql is running? |
| [06:15:27] | Lexridge: | or is your selinux blocking it? |
| [06:15:47] | gene: | I just changed the perms on that directory, root:root to mysql:mysql, selinux is permissive |
| [06:15:48] | strex: | turn selinux off, I hate that crap (personal opinion). |
| [06:15:56] | gene: | so do I... |
| [06:16:31] | strex: | gene: what user are you running mythfrontend as? |
| [06:16:32] | gene: | about 9 copies of mysqld are running. |
| [06:16:38] | gene: | root |
| [06:16:46] | strex: | gene: that's fine, it forked |
| [06:17:11] | strex: | gene: do you have a .mythtv dir in roots' home dir |
| [06:17:32] | strex: | if so you should have a file called mysql.txt in there.. |
| [06:18:17] | strex: | at this point, my guess is, mythfrontend is connecting over upnpav and not directly. Thus the choppy video / audio. |
| [06:19:42] | gene: | yes, and yes |
| [06:20:01] | strex: | if you edit the file, does it have correct info in there.. |
| [06:21:39] | gene: | Dunno, http://pastebin.ca/1352513 |
| [06:22:18] | tony403: | anything i can do to improve quality of my pvr150? in vista, it looks a lot better |
| [06:22:41] | strex: | hahah, your asking the wrong guy about vista.. |
| [06:23:03] | gene: | what is he doing dwearing at us like that? :) |
| [06:23:12] | gene: | what is he doing swearing at us like that? :) |
| [06:24:09] | gene: | blame the typu's on fat, arthritic fingers please, they are 74 years old. |
| [06:24:12] | Lexridge: | gene: here is my file: http://pastebin.ca/1352515 |
| [06:24:46] | tony403: | also, i can't get my black pvr150 remote to work. it tests as working and have tried a different lirc.conf and no luck |
| [06:24:54] | Lexridge: | gene: you might even be the oldest guy to ever attempt to use mythtv ;) |
| [06:25:39] | strex: | gene: this file is telling mythfrontend how to connect to mysql. so you should be able to use mysql client to connect to the server using the info in that file.. with -h, -u, -p, etc if you can't theres your problem. |
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| [06:26:24] | Lexridge: | gene: didn't we try this earlier and it worked? |
| [06:27:59] | strex: | gene: also, you should be able to get into your storage directories and find the file that was written, when you tried to watch LiveTV. This should be playable in mplayer / xine without a problem. It would be helpfull to know if it's choppy in there also..? |
| [06:28:39] | Lexridge: | strex: great idea |
| [06:28:42] | strex: | if it's choppy there, it's your card. if it's not, its mythfrontend. |
| [06:29:07] | strex: | 10+ years of support pays off :-p |
| [06:29:46] | Lexridge: | however, if your tuner was tuned to analog "snow", the resulting mpeg could still be jumpy due to lack of sync. |
| [06:30:05] | Lexridge: | or blanking, actually |
| [06:30:09] | tony403: | ok, reading along, i found out i have to have an lircrc file in my ~/mythtv directory but i don't have one. do i just make one? |
| [06:30:33] | tony403: | nm, duh |
| [06:31:56] | Lexridge: | gene: but, however, since you only set up one tuner, namely DVB, you should not have snow. Strange. |
| [06:31:57] | strex: | tony403: lircrc is what links the buttons on your remote to mythtv. |
| [06:32:44] | Akkos: | i'm still having problems compiling mythtv on ubuntu 8.10... i've triple checked freetype is installed, i've tried from the svn and the tarball... i don't know what else to try |
| [06:32:51] | gene: | Chuckle, maybe. But I earned that. I was Lexridge's Chief Engineer from 1984 to 2002 when I tried to retire. Running linux since 1998, F10 ATM |
| [06:33:48] | strex: | gene: re-launch mythfrontend and choose Watch TV, and let the choppy video play for a while.. 10mins or so. also open a new xterm and run tail -f /var/log/mythbackend/mythbackend.log /path/to/your/mythfrontend.log |
| [06:33:51] | gene: | I stopped it all and went back into the setup and swwitched it to localhost 127.0.0.1, but it didn't make a lot of diff. |
| [06:34:25] | tony403: | do i create an lircrc directory or just they file in ~/.mythtv? |
| [06:34:41] | strex: | gene: what did you set your storage directory as? |
| [06:34:41] | tony403: | is it also necessary to link it like in the wiki cuz it's not working for me |
| [06:35:08] | strex: | tony403: google lircrc mythtv, |
| [06:35:22] | tony403: | i did, that's what i'm reading |
| [06:35:43] | gene: | Hummm, there is a /var/log/mythtv directory, but its empty. |
| [06:36:03] | gene: | strex, thats in setup? |
| [06:36:06] | strex: | tony403: there should be a /home/mythtv/lircrc file that contains mappings for mythtv, to the buttons you have defined in lirc.conf. (I also ln -s /home/mythtv/.mythtv/lircrc /home/mythtv/.lircrc |
| [06:36:22] | strex: | gene: yes. |
| [06:36:29] | strex: | storage somethingsomething |
| [06:36:55] | strex: | storage directories / storage groups something like that.. |
| [06:37:16] | strex: | it's where mythbackend is writing all the mpg's it's encoding.. |
| [06:37:35] | strex: | you said your using F10, is it mythdora? |
| [06:37:45] | strex: | if so, it's probably /storage/recordings |
| [06:38:27] | Lexridge: | gene: that is essentually your /video directory strex is talking about. I believe you have it buried in your amada drive somewhere. |
| [06:38:42] | Lexridge: | gene: amanda that is |
| [06:38:53] | strex: | is amanda local? |
| [06:39:19] | strex: | as in, non-nfs? |
| [06:39:41] | tony403: | strex: thanks, going great now |
| [06:39:51] | Lexridge: | he is running amanda locally, yes |
| [06:39:54] | strex: | no problem, enjoy |
| [06:40:18] | Lexridge: | but not to tape, but to a hdd. |
| [06:40:25] | strex: | lirc is a big ole pain in the a** but once you understand it, it's not that hard. |
| [06:40:48] | strex: | So is amanda a local HDD on your system? |
| [06:41:06] | gene: | Yes, the storage dir is /amandatapes/video, and mysql:mysql are the owner:group. The are 2 filenames, but one is zero length. Whats the mplayer cli to play it? |
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| [06:41:24] | tony403: | is there a quick way to minimize/maximize mythtv like a media player? |
| [06:41:32] | gene: | the one thats about 10 megs that is. |
| [06:41:54] | Lexridge: | mplayer filename |
| [06:41:57] | strex: | tony403: not that I know of, it's ment to be fullscreen and not require a 'enviornment' |
| [06:42:20] | strex: | tony403: but it needs a wm running to get it's focus |
| [06:42:38] | strex: | gene: is amanda a local HDD? |
| [06:42:38] | Lexridge: | gene: mplayer filename |
| [06:43:17] | gene: | the recording is all broken up too. |
| [06:43:19] | tony403: | thanks |
| [06:43:53] | strex: | gene: I'll ask 1 more time, is amanda a local HDD, or local filesystem? |
| [06:44:23] | gene: | as in connected to this machine yas, a sata drive, new |
| [06:44:50] | gene: | and when amanda runs in runs on this machine |
| [06:44:51] | strex: | gene: ok, then there shouldn't be r/w problems going to/from it.. |
| [06:45:29] | gene: | but its turned off till I get F10 working well, I still have a large collection of warts to excise yet. |
| [06:46:08] | strex: | gene: so when mythbackend records a show, is it writing to a LOCAL filesystem? |
| [06:46:58] | gene: | Tell ya what, its n1:45 am here and I am needing some zz's. Thank you very much. Yes, that drive is physically in this box. |
| [06:47:07] | Lexridge: | strex: he is indeed writing to a local f/s. |
| [06:47:35] | Lexridge: | ah, you beat me to it, gene. ;) |
| [06:47:48] | strex: | ok, good. so there shouldn't be any issues with the card outputting a file to the drive (r/w issues) |
| [06:48:10] | strex: | gene: you done good man, pick it up in the am |
| [06:49:12] | gene: | I may need to re point the antenna, I took it east a bit to sweeten up 10 the other night, I'll fool with dtvsignal and see if I can improve it. With 600mv of channel 5 here, I'm loathe to put in a booster but might have to |
| [06:49:17] | strex: | gene: Lexridge I would read the wiki page on storage groups |
| [06:49:48] | gene: | goodnight all and thanks |
| [06:49:53] | Lexridge: | strex: yea, but just to get it working, he shouldn't need more than the defaults. |
| [06:49:56] | strex: | n/p night. |
| [06:49:59] | Lexridge: | gnite gene. |
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| [06:50:40] | strex: | Lexridge: your right, but it seems there s problem with the card writing to the drive, that's why I wanted to make sure it was local. |
| [06:51:29] | strex: | hopefully iostat confirms that theres good throughput going to the card. |
| [06:51:34] | strex: | err hdd |
| [06:52:44] | Lexridge: | I used to work with gene, he was the chief eng at the tv station I work for. I've been on the phone with him nightly for two wks trying to work this out. He's getting a bit closer I think. |
| [06:53:21] | strex: | Lexridge: he's very close, and if the conditions are right, it will work just fine.. |
| [06:53:26] | Lexridge: | I think his problem is that he runs always as root. |
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| [06:53:36] | strex: | Lexridge: agreed.. |
| [06:53:52] | strex: | never ever should you run as root, always. |
| [06:54:18] | strex: | your just asking for problems at that point. |
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| [06:54:19] | Lexridge: | I've tried for years to get him to stop, but he always says "YOU CAN'T DOING ANYTHING UNLESS YOU'RE ROOT" Ugh!!! |
| [06:54:29] | Lexridge: | lol |
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| [06:55:15] | strex: | well, he's wrong. you can do everything as root if you know how to set it up. |
| [06:55:30] | strex: | and just use root, when you really really have to.. |
| [06:55:43] | strex: | btw, he would hate ubuntu. |
| [06:56:18] | Lexridge: | well, I'm one of those who hates sudo, but I use root only when I need to administer something. |
| [06:56:57] | strex: | I only use root if I'm isntalling something, or troubleshooting hw issues. Other than that I stay away.. |
| [06:57:07] | strex: | learned my lesson a long time ago. |
| [06:57:12] | Lexridge: | strex: He has tried it, and did figure out how to enable the root account. I think he uses it for ssome kind of milling machine. |
| [06:57:14] | ccfreak2k: | I don't use root at all. I use a series of exploits for system management. |
| [06:57:25] | strex: | ccfreak2k: hahaha |
| [06:57:29] | Lexridge: | lol |
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| [06:58:26] | strex: | Lexridge: he's asking for a series of exploits if he keeps up that behaviour.. |
| [06:58:55] | Lexridge: | I heard there is a $600K reward being offered for the rootkit bandit known as ccfreak2k. |
| [06:59:01] | strex: | not to mention logging into irc as a root user, but I won't go there... |
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| [06:59:55] | Lexridge: | I tried to tell him. He does have a damn good firewall however. |
| [07:01:07] | strex: | Lexridge: it don't matter.. |
| [07:01:31] | Lexridge: | yea, once that port is open, you are vulnerable. |
| [07:01:40] | strex: | you got it. |
| [07:02:11] | strex: | just pissing through a fire hose at that point. |
| [07:02:14] | mzb_d800_: | ie: if you stick your neck out ... |
| [07:02:23] | Lexridge: | yea |
| [07:02:56] | mzb_d800_: | there *is* a problem with running as root, other than suggested |
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| [07:03:56] | mzb_d800_: | a user will probably never realise that the daemon (or whatever) that they're trying to run doesn't have the necessary permission to read/write/execute the files that the root use has created |
| [07:04:54] | mzb_d800_: | in the case of mythtv it's even worse (apart from things like log directories) in that you end up with mysql.txt config files all over the place ... making it even harder to tell where problems are coming from |
| [07:04:54] | Lexridge: | true, but since mythfrontend and mythbackend all connect to the db as user mythtv, all files should be owned by mythtv automatically. |
| [07:05:19] | mzb_d800_: | ^^ |
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| [07:05:48] | Lexridge: | .....and root should be able to read mythtv owned files transparently. |
| [07:05:54] | strex: | /done night folks |
| [07:05:54] | mzb_d800_: | bottom line, don't run stuff as root ... it's not designed that way (unless you're running an embedded system, blah blah) |
| [07:06:18] | mzb_d800_: | I'm not going to argue the point with you. Out. |
| [07:06:26] | Lexridge: | I know, and you are preaching to the choir. |
| [07:07:25] | Lexridge: | I'm not supporting it at all, just trying to justify that it should work. Being root and having access to all. |
| [07:08:30] | mzb_d800_: | != X11 (on most modern distros) |
| [07:09:47] | Lexridge: | are you saying X11 ignores root privs? |
| [07:10:38] | mzb_d800_: | no |
| [07:11:47] | Lexridge: | "not" equal to X11. I don't understand. |
| [07:12:34] | mzb_d800_: | X won't work, or apps won't work, or ... you get the idea |
| [07:14:01] | Lexridge: | holy crap. it's after 2am. gotta get some zzzzss |
| [07:14:11] | Lexridge: | nice chat. gnite all |
| [07:14:14] | mzb_d800_: | running most things as root is just asking for trouble (again, sticking your neck out) unless you really know all the consequences |
| [07:14:17] | mzb_d800_: | gnite |
| [07:14:41] | Lexridge: | I know that, he knows that but.....well, there ya have it. :) |
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| [07:19:03] | tony403: | any way to change mythtv settings, like just the theme settings because my resolution is all screwed up when starting |
| [07:19:18] | tony403: | i chose a wrong setting apparently while in mythtv |
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| [08:15:23] | CCFL_Man2: | 64qam is so much better |
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| [08:29:39] | jduggan: | work sucks |
| [08:30:11] | justinh: | but it generally pays the bills :) |
| [08:30:29] | justinh: | be glad you have a job in this economic climate. I'm trying |
| [08:30:46] | jduggan: | i left work at 12.30 last night |
| [08:31:08] | justinh: | oof |
| [08:31:14] | jduggan: | yea |
| [08:31:19] | jduggan: | and was back in at 4.45 this morning |
| [08:31:21] | jduggan: | and still here |
| [08:32:15] | justinh: | there has to be a bright side to that though. think how indepensible you are :) |
| [08:32:34] | jduggan: | i guess |
| [08:32:42] | jduggan: | though it was just because i happen to be the on call engineer |
| [08:32:55] | jduggan: | there are three of us that do a week each in turn |
| [08:33:28] | justinh: | one of my mates does that at BT. He works weird hours & often has to cry off nights out. He's minted though |
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| [08:35:19] | justinh: | I should qualify that. Minted, as graduate jobs go |
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| [09:12:54] | tony403: | anyone use mc2xml here? |
| [09:13:35] | justinh: | I doubt it |
| [09:14:03] | justinh: | and if that's what I think it is, it's NOT LEGAL |
| [09:14:10] | waxhead: | evening all |
| [09:14:25] | wagnerrp: | downloads MCE/titantv listings into xmltv format |
| [09:14:33] | justinh: | stealing MCE programme guide data. NAUGHTY |
| [09:15:46] | wagnerrp: | i figured that would be the kind of thing you needed a subscription for |
| [09:16:29] | wagnerrp: | i guess titantv is free... |
| [09:17:02] | tony403: | i'm not stealing it, i paid for it |
| [09:17:03] | justinh: | yes, but being web based they don't allow screen scraping |
| [09:17:25] | tony403: | i paid for vista and use mce but i'm on linux now |
| [09:17:33] | justinh: | tony403: no, if you read the T&Cs of MCE you'll see that they forbid using the EPG data outside of MCE |
| [09:17:51] | justinh: | you paid for MCE. NOT to be able to use the EPG data how you want |
| [09:18:15] | tony403: | i don't care, i'll use it how i want anyway |
| [09:18:35] | justinh: | their data isn't even worth having from what I've seen & heard about it |
| [09:18:42] | justinh: | certainly not compared to SD |
| [09:18:48] | tony403: | yeah, can't get it to work anyway |
| [09:19:45] | tony403: | you guys can't tell me you haven't gone 1 mph over the speed limit. we all break the law |
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| [09:20:39] | justinh: | all we can tell you is state the facts for the record in a logged IRC channel |
| [09:20:46] | wagnerrp: | you can violate Microsoft T&Cs all you want, but you wont get any assistance in here |
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| [09:22:13] | tony403: | who even watches these rooms for crap like using tv listings for another program? |
| [09:22:22] | justinh: | we don't know |
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| [09:22:33] | justinh: | mythtv likes to keep its nose clean |
| [09:25:09] | wagnerrp: | all it takes is a quick google search... or Live search if you prefer |
| [09:25:38] | wagnerrp: | basically, there are any number of reasons for industry to dislike mythtv |
| [09:26:01] | wagnerrp: | and unlike some other communities (*cough* XBMC), this one decides not to fuel the fire |
| [09:26:35] | justinh: | XBMC can always retire to where they came from. under a rock |
| [09:28:09] | justinh: | blimmin skinflints. Too tight to stump up $20 a year for quality guide data. Meh |
| [09:28:48] | justinh: | if folks are dumb enough to pay for Vista & then decide not to pursue a refund when it disappoints... |
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| [09:34:31] | tony403: | justinh: wtf? the same can be said by using linux free, that you're tight |
| [09:34:43] | tony403: | god damn, can we stop with the fucking hate |
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| [09:35:07] | flexmat__: | hello world! |
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| [09:36:00] | justinh: | tony403: watch your language |
| [09:36:29] | Dibblah: | Bwa ha ha ha. "Anyone know if VDPAU will be in the 0.22 stable version of myth? It looks like people are having success with the patches..." |
| [09:37:22] | flexmat__: | I have some difficulties with my PCTV remote ,somebody would to help me? |
| [09:37:25] | Dibblah: | Because Mr Avenard did all of the VDPAU stuff himself, doncha know? |
| [09:37:32] | wagnerrp: | http://tgiokdi.blogspot.com/2006/01/punch-to-faceover-tcpip.html |
| [09:37:46] | justinh: | does anyone know if mythtv will work with holographic 3D laservision when it comes out? |
| [09:37:46] | Dibblah: | flexmat__: Have you read through and followed the Mythtv manual? |
| [09:38:27] | wagnerrp: | difficulty with a remote means either you havent set up lirc correctly, or you have not yet set up a .lircrc for myth |
| [09:38:39] | flexmat__: | Dibbleh yeap i said to you yesterday !! i have already read the manual and lirc web site |
| [09:38:42] | wagnerrp: | or... the remote is just not supported by LIDKRCDK |
| [09:38:48] | wagnerrp: | LIRC |
| [09:39:05] | justinh: | wagnerrp: it could also mean trying to start the lirc daemon from an x startup script |
| [09:39:06] | wagnerrp: | gah... any time i have multiple keys pressed, my keyboard produces large amounts of gibberish |
| [09:39:33] | justinh: | I wash my hands of any lirc problems now. nothing to do with mythtv |
| [09:39:45] | flexmat__: | when i take cat /proc/bus/input/devices in bash i didn't see my remote but with hwinfo --usb i see my remote,what's wrong? |
| [09:40:10] | flexmat__: | where can i get somme informations with lirc? |
| [09:40:20] | wagnerrp: | try #lirc |
| [09:40:34] | flexmat__: | thank you |
| [09:41:19] | wagnerrp: | flexmat__: if 'irw' works fine, but youre still having trouble with myth, then come back here for help |
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| [09:42:43] | flexmat__: | rclirc works fine but not irw ,i come back later if somebody can help me on lirc..thankx you for your help |
| [09:42:45] | justinh: | cooom on ITV.. go bust! |
| [09:42:59] | sid3windr: | go butts! |
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| [10:04:05] | justinh: | there. more hdd space reclaimed. no more PNG, XML, SVG or PSPIMAGE files |
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| [10:09:24] | ** gbee mourns the death of a theme ** | |
| [10:10:44] | justinh: | nah all 'concept' is on my laptop |
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| [10:16:11] | justinh: | not that 'loss' of concept would be such a sad thing. Yet another similar thing from burnedoutguy |
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| [10:29:01] | gbee: | if you don't like 'concept' then either delete it or start improving it, if you like it as it is then finish it |
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| [10:52:31] | laga: | gbee: he's gone |
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| [11:19:08] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v stuarta | |
| [11:21:46] | stuarta: | well i found out how maplin managed to dispatch an out of stock item |
| [11:22:10] | stuarta: | this morning i've receive and order advice note from them saying the item is out of stock |
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| [11:31:43] | gbee: | doh |
| [11:37:45] | Dibblah: | "We have tested Windows 7, it has much better quality." Yay for Windows 7! |
| [11:38:00] | Dibblah: | (-dev ML) |
| [11:38:06] | stuarta: | it is an improvement from what i've seen |
| [11:42:49] | laga: | Dibblah: who said that? lipsha? |
| [11:43:26] | Dibblah: | Nah. |
| [11:43:44] | Dibblah: | Another person who thinks asking for "which code do I have to fix" means that he needs to use -dev. |
| [11:43:59] | laga: | ah. "man grep" ;) |
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| [11:49:23] | geemark: | I recently updated mythtv to the latest svn version, but now no recordings are matched... the "upcoming recordings" list is simply empty... any idea what is wrong? |
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| [12:01:26] | gbee: | Dibblah: I can't make much sense of that email |
| [12:03:09] | Dibblah: | No, neither can I. |
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| [12:12:34] | Chiliblack: | Can any one recommend a PCIe based dual tuner DVB-T card for use in the UK, obviously under Linux/MythTV? I have been looking at a Pinnacle 7010ix whic has dual dvb-s and dvb-t but no linux drivers as far as I can see |
| [12:17:07] | Dibblah: | As far as I know, no PCI-e cards are supported yet. |
| [12:17:22] | Dibblah: | Look on the linuxtv supported list... |
| [12:19:35] | Chiliblack: | right, yes that list is rather short |
| [12:20:39] | Chiliblack: | Dibblah, is running usb turners likely to be problamatic? I only have that one internal PCIe in my sff box. |
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| [12:22:44] | Dibblah: | Depends. Some can be OK. Good luck with finding a model with a supported chipset, of course. |
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| [12:24:02] | mchou: | Chiliblack: No idea if this works in linux: http://www.fusionhdtv.co.kr/ENG/products/DVBTDualExpress.aspx |
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| [12:24:49] | mchou: | Chiliblack: the one for US (ATSC/QAM) works in linux |
| [12:26:27] | Chiliblack: | I think that one does work...only found it in AUZ though |
| [12:27:38] | Chiliblack: | found it here at over 100 quid |
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| [12:28:09] | mchou: | well, you pay the premium for pci-e dual |
| [12:28:17] | mchou: | Chiliblack: ^^^ |
| [12:29:01] | Chiliblack: | The pinnicle one, which has dual dvb't and dual dvb-s on a pcie card is around a third of the price |
| [12:29:04] | mchou: | Chiliblack: go ol'skool pci you'd be paying US$40 each or so |
| [12:29:40] | mchou: | Chiliblack: you have linky to pinnacle specs? |
| [12:29:53] | Chiliblack: | I'll have a look |
| [12:30:52] | Chiliblack: | http://www.play.com/PC/PCs/4-/5437587/Pinnacl . . . Product.html |
| [12:31:07] | Chiliblack: | not in stock there, pretty confirmed it isn't orking in linux |
| [12:32:00] | mchou: | oh forget that |
| [12:32:06] | mchou: | philips tuner |
| [12:32:29] | mchou: | philips demod too |
| [12:32:48] | Chiliblack: | yup |
| [12:33:13] | Chiliblack: | why forget it, unhelpful oem or crappy parts |
| [12:33:43] | mchou: | dont even know if that tuner/demod combo is even supported in linux |
| [12:33:46] | gbee: | plenty of usb tuners work and many of those cheap thumb sized ones too, stuarta bought one just the other day |
| [12:34:17] | Chiliblack: | There is work apparently ongoing on the SAA7162 |
| [12:34:55] | Chiliblack: | gbee any experience with the dvb-s ones? |
| [12:35:08] | mchou: | usb can be iffy depending on mobo..... |
| [12:35:22] | gbee: | only with PCI |
| [12:40:22] | Chiliblack: | mchou thats my worry, this mobo's usb is decidedly iffy |
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| [12:40:41] | Chiliblack: | Nforce 3 chipset |
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| [12:45:11] | mchou: | yeah, nvidia usb is teh suck |
| [12:46:04] | mchou: | the pinnacle card on the digital side has zarlink tuner |
| [12:46:19] | mchou: | and demod |
| [12:46:36] | mchou: | there is driver for zl10036 |
| [12:48:17] | Chiliblack: | There is also a driver for the Philips TDA8275A |
| [12:48:45] | Chiliblack: | seems it is the PCIe which is the stubling block |
| [12:49:42] | mchou: | nah |
| [12:49:58] | mchou: | zarlink seems out of the tuner biz |
| [12:50:06] | mchou: | no longer current |
| [12:51:28] | mchou: | your only real option is probably usb |
| [12:51:43] | gbee: | PCIe adoption by manufacturers is extremely slow, when I bought it last year my PCI-e 802.11g card was the only model in existence |
| [12:52:00] | Chiliblack: | Well I was thinking of dual dvb-t on PCIe |
| [12:52:05] | Chiliblack: | and a sab on usb |
| [12:52:06] | gbee: | there are hardly any PCIe cards for capture/DVB-T/ATSC etc |
| [12:52:09] | Chiliblack: | dvb-s |
| [12:52:29] | Chiliblack: | so I have found out gbee |
| [12:52:34] | mchou: | gbee: well, thre are a few for atsc |
| [12:52:53] | mchou: | dvb is another story |
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| [12:53:04] | gbee: | yet modern motherboards are increasingly lacking in PCI slots |
| [12:53:31] | mchou: | gbee: that's why I go for "surveillance" mobos |
| [12:53:36] | Chiliblack: | gbee but more and more thing built on |
| [12:53:49] | Chiliblack: | little need for expansion |
| [12:53:54] | mchou: | 5 PCI slots, 1 PCIex16, 1 PCIex1 |
| [12:54:35] | Chiliblack: | mine has that with the exception of 5c PCI... |
| [12:54:41] | mchou: | lol |
| [12:54:42] | Chiliblack: | %x |
| [12:54:45] | Chiliblack: | argh |
| [12:54:47] | Chiliblack: | 5x |
| [12:55:07] | gbee: | sure, if your interests are limited to video/audio, anything exotic like TV tuners and your SOL |
| [12:55:44] | Chiliblack: | there is a bundle of 37 tv cards including a couple of 7010ix on eBay |
| [12:55:56] | Chiliblack: | wonder if I could bride someone to write the drivers |
| [12:56:00] | Chiliblack: | bribe |
| [12:56:05] | mchou: | surveillance mobos are the bomb |
| [12:56:07] | gbee: | best I could get from a mATX board was 2x PCI – so Dual DVB-T and a single DVB-S |
| [12:56:32] | Chiliblack: | gbee ironically thats all I want |
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| [12:57:57] | mchou: | Chiliblack: just go with USB |
| [12:58:14] | mchou: | replace mobo if it doesnt work out :) |
| [12:58:21] | Chiliblack: | its a shuttle |
| [12:58:44] | mchou: | bah |
| [12:58:57] | Chiliblack: | its a nice shttle |
| [12:59:10] | mchou: | shuttles are passe |
| [12:59:30] | mchou: | msi wind and nvidia ions |
| [12:59:32] | Chiliblack: | I agree which is why it is gretting stuck in a cupboard to do tv duties |
| [13:00:09] | mchou: | what's the CPU? |
| [13:00:20] | Chiliblack: | amd x2 |
| [13:00:25] | Chiliblack: | 64 |
| [13:00:30] | Chiliblack: | something or other |
| [13:00:32] | mchou: | socket? |
| [13:00:37] | Chiliblack: | 939 |
| [13:00:59] | mchou: | get a mobo instead if you can |
| [13:01:15] | mchou: | problem solved :) |
| [13:01:56] | Chiliblack: | I have an old athlon thing upstairs in the loft..that has plenty-o-PCI slots..sounds like a &$& taking off though |
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| [13:02:29] | Chiliblack: | maybe I find a PCIe USB card :) |
| [13:03:07] | mchou: | Chiliblack: if it's only for backend use, sound is not gonna matter |
| [13:03:27] | mchou: | might suck too much electricity, though |
| [13:03:56] | Chiliblack: | it will be sitting in a cupboard in the living room...sound is a bit of an issue |
| [13:04:08] | Chiliblack: | plus, this shuttle looks nicer |
| [13:04:28] | mchou: | who cares about looks if it's in a cupboard? |
| [13:04:40] | Chiliblack: | you haven't seen the athlon |
| [13:04:56] | Chiliblack: | its about the same size as the cupboard |
| [13:05:02] | Chiliblack: | plus it won't be fast enough |
| [13:05:16] | mchou: | fast enough for what? |
| [13:05:23] | Chiliblack: | myth |
| [13:05:32] | mchou: | if it's backend only it's gonna be plenty fast |
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| [13:05:47] | Chiliblack: | it also has to do other networking duties |
| [13:06:00] | mchou: | like? |
| [13:06:26] | Chiliblack: | its only a athlon xp 1700+ or something |
| [13:06:41] | mchou: | that's plenty fast for backend |
| [13:06:53] | mchou: | you have cycles to spare |
| [13:07:19] | Chiliblack: | really |
| [13:07:29] | mchou: | 650Mhz is sufficient for back end |
| [13:07:38] | Chiliblack: | ok...still will try to use this though |
| [13:07:57] | Chiliblack: | maybe I should use this as a front end then...although it is a bit over kill |
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| [13:08:51] | Chiliblack: | ok mchou I have another question..HDMI output with sound, is that possible if it isn't built into the mother board? |
| [13:08:55] | mchou: | 939 is unlikely to be overkill for front end. might even be underpowered for HD |
| [13:09:05] | Chiliblack: | really |
| [13:09:35] | mchou: | especially if you dont have xvmc or vdpau |
| [13:10:02] | Chiliblack: | Athon 64 X2 Dual Core 4200+, 2gb ram |
| [13:10:18] | Chiliblack: | that would be ample for 720p? |
| [13:10:35] | mchou: | what's the "real" proc (not +) speed? |
| [13:10:47] | Chiliblack: | 2.21ghz |
| [13:11:15] | mchou: | that's probably just enough for 1080i |
| [13:11:30] | Chiliblack: | I though an appletv could be used for myth front end |
| [13:11:56] | mchou: | yeah, SD |
| [13:12:00] | mchou: | not HD |
| [13:12:18] | Chiliblack: | and if the video card has xvmc |
| [13:12:47] | mchou: | xvmc doesnt really work anymore |
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| [13:12:56] | mchou: | it's become a sick joke |
| [13:12:57] | Chiliblack: | vdpau then |
| [13:13:41] | mchou: | vdpau is not really ready for prime time either..... |
| [13:13:50] | mchou: | but it's better than xvmc |
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| [13:17:49] | mchou: | as for HDMI, if you have dvi you can get a dvi->hdmi adapter dongle |
| [13:18:01] | mchou: | but it wont have sound |
| [13:18:20] | mchou: | sound you'd route by spdif |
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| [13:22:03] | Chiliblack: | what I meant is, is there a wayt o route sound through the videocard output via hdmi? |
| [13:22:22] | Chiliblack: | is this a feature on more modern mobo's? |
| [13:22:31] | mchou: | possibly, but I certainly dont know how to do that |
| [13:22:49] | mchou: | it is a feature on modern mobos |
| [13:22:50] | gbee: | Chiliblack: some cards have a spdif header, you connect the internal spidif output from the soundcard to the video card |
| [13:23:07] | gbee: | so it's an additional internal cable |
| [13:23:13] | Chiliblack: | gbee, thanks thats what I was thinking of |
| [13:23:26] | gbee: | similar to the ones which go from a CD drive to the soundcard |
| [13:23:28] | Chiliblack: | like cdrom drives and sound blasters back in the day |
| [13:23:33] | gbee: | yup |
| [13:23:53] | gbee: | as you've noted, IGPs have that all onboard |
| [13:24:07] | Chiliblack: | right I think I will look into video cards then |
| [13:24:20] | jduggan: | you and your interior gateway protocol |
| [13:24:26] | Chiliblack: | it might work out cheaper just to get a new mobo and case |
| [13:24:30] | gbee: | and the ATi/Nvidia IGPs are actually pretty decent for a media centre and it leaves you with a free slot |
| [13:24:31] | jduggan: | ;P |
| [13:24:43] | mchou: | avoid nvidia |
| [13:24:44] | gbee: | :p |
| [13:24:51] | jduggan: | huh |
| [13:24:52] | mchou: | pci prefetch disabled |
| [13:25:08] | Chiliblack: | no onboard video on this SFF anyhow |
| [13:25:11] | gbee: | Integrated Graphics Processors ... or something |
| [13:25:20] | jduggan: | yea, im just being facetious :D |
| [13:25:35] | jduggan: | it doesnt come across well on irc.. :D |
| [13:25:52] | mchou: | umm, avoid nvidia IGPs |
| [13:26:01] | gbee: | jduggan: I thought so, but like you say, with IRC you never can be sure |
| [13:27:06] | gbee: | I'm not sure it's necessary to avoid Nvidia IGPs entirely, but I definitely prefer my ATI IGP |
| [13:27:29] | mchou: | nvidia also messed up dual channel memory |
| [13:28:00] | mchou: | so that's 2 strikes..... |
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| [13:28:08] | gbee: | Nvidia was on my sh*t list until the other week when they finally released a working driver |
| [13:28:23] | gbee: | and then one driver later they broke everyones machines ... hah |
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| [13:28:32] | mchou: | gbee: which driver you referring to? |
| [13:28:49] | gbee: | .35 |
| [13:29:08] | mchou: | that's the broken one or the working one? |
| [13:29:08] | Chiliblack: | not IGP but I feel pretty burnt on my GPU ATI I have this overlay flicker thing that drives me nuts when I enable eyecandy |
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| [13:30:03] | mchou: | yeah, ATI gpu's arent all that great for myth |
| [13:30:52] | gbee: | broken, first working driver for the 8200 was 180.29, 180.35 is fubar – breaks all sorts of seemingly unrelated stuff e.g. QT signals, CDRom interface etc |
| [13:31:24] | mchou: | yup, GreyFoxx told us :) |
| [13:32:47] | mchou: | nvidia is really screwing up big time |
| [13:33:19] | gbee: | Chiliblack: admittedly mine is only used in a frontend and serves no greater purpose than rendering a UI and video, but I was really impressed by just how well it did that compared to Nvidia's driver |
| [13:34:11] | gbee: | little touches like the installer that doesn't need to be run without X running or the window geometry/overscan options that just don't exist for nvidia |
| [13:34:27] | Chiliblack: | gbee I am not that damaged by the experience, just I think I have spent half my adult life trying to get a video card that works just right in linux |
| [13:34:34] | mchou: | what?? |
| [13:34:47] | mchou: | nvidia installer doent need x running |
| [13:34:55] | gbee: | and my first use of it was for TV-out over s-video, picture quality was incredible compared to my Nvidia's TV-out, 100% improvement |
| [13:35:29] | gbee: | mchou: err, I said without X – you have to kill X before the installer will run |
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| [13:36:11] | mchou: | gbee: your use of double negative confuse me |
| [13:36:16] | gbee: | which is just irritating, can't make installing the new driver a background task whilst I work on other things |
| [13:36:19] | gbee: | heh |
| [13:37:43] | mchou: | is .35 still maked by nvidia as "production"? :) |
| [13:37:51] | mchou: | marked* |
| [13:38:18] | mchou: | or did they quietly sweep it under the rug? |
| [13:38:30] | Chiliblack: | oh well to recap, my once optimistic dreams of finally getting around to a build a mythtv box are eroding due to lack of compaitible PCIe devices and/or my pc's distinct lack of retro expansion slots...oh and fairly worrying usb |
| [13:38:58] | mchou: | Chiliblack: yeah, all sorts of issues |
| [13:39:16] | [Peter]: | mchou: it's gone it seems |
| [13:39:25] | mchou: | Chiliblack: stil with mobos with full complement of old PCI slots |
| [13:39:53] | mchou: | stick* |
| [13:39:56] | Chiliblack: | what really annoys me is the knowledge I could get it running under MS.. |
| [13:40:06] | mchou: | yeah well |
| [13:40:13] | Chiliblack: | no an option |
| [13:40:20] | Chiliblack: | not an option rather |
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| [13:40:25] | Chiliblack: | I would rather do without |
| [13:40:28] | mchou: | nvidia usb under ms aint any more stable |
| [13:40:39] | Chiliblack: | oh I know |
| [13:41:03] | mchou: | so 'running' would be a strech |
| [13:41:05] | Chiliblack: | did it ever improve...I though it was this Nforce 3 chipset |
| [13:41:13] | Chiliblack: | wouldn't need the usb though |
| [13:41:13] | mchou: | nope |
| [13:41:21] | Chiliblack: | I could use pcie |
| [13:41:27] | mchou: | nvidia usb still as flakey as ever |
| [13:41:58] | Chiliblack: | constant disconnect/reconnects enugh to drive me nuts... |
| [13:41:59] | gbee: | still available from their FTP – , little touches like the installer that doesn't need to be run with X |
| [13:42:04] | Chiliblack: | logs full of it |
| [13:42:04] | gbee: | errr |
| [13:42:12] | gbee: | ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/180.35/ |
| [13:42:20] | gbee: | damn select/copy/paste |
| [13:42:31] | mchou: | hah |
| [13:42:39] | mchou: | good ol nvidia |
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| [13:43:20] | Chiliblack: | apparently in windows 7...cut and pasting is a thing of the past |
| [13:43:34] | mchou: | hmm?? |
| [13:43:46] | [Peter]: | what's the replacement? :) |
| [13:44:13] | Chiliblack: | read it on a blog somewhere...no idea what it actually means |
| [13:44:20] | mchou: | haha |
| [13:44:36] | mchou: | so ballmer uses a macbook |
| [13:44:42] | mchou: | no joke |
| [13:44:58] | justinh: | oh it was on a blog. must've been fact supreme |
| [13:45:27] | [Peter]: | mchou: no way? :) |
| [13:45:34] | Chiliblack: | actually it was on a stuff.tv videocast...therefore 'Gospel' |
| [13:46:59] | mchou: | [Peter]: check this out for proof: http://www.news.com.au/technology/gallery/0,2 . . . 4321,00.html |
| [13:47:11] | mchou: | need to go thru a few pics |
| [13:47:30] | mchou: | http://www.news.com.au/technology/gallery/0,2 . . . 21-4,00.html |
| [13:48:07] | [Peter]: | mchou: that could be photoshopped, planted there or whatever |
| [13:48:22] | [Peter]: | mchou: I don't think they'll do that kind of marketing epic fail |
| [13:48:35] | mchou: | haha |
| [13:50:53] | gbee: | there was actually a better one (well less disputable), a recent quote from Ballmer about Vista, but I don't remember what it was :/ |
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| [13:52:45] | justinh: | pfft. the nutters on digitalspy are trying to receive the dvb-t2 trial |
| [13:53:45] | mchou: | [Peter]: http://flickr.com/photos/choubistar/2439499170/ |
| [13:55:09] | [Peter]: | "I was there and I have to say that there WAS a leftover Mac from a non MS speaker. The 2 previous presenters used it for their keynotes. Ballmer didn't use a computer at all, it was just an automatic slide. " |
| [13:55:19] | mchou: | lol |
| [13:55:35] | mchou: | an "automatic slide" |
| [13:55:38] | mchou: | right |
| [13:57:26] | Chiliblack: | I wouldn't think he was running his own presentation slides |
| [13:57:58] | Chiliblack: | anyway this is fairly old news isn't it |
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| [13:58:51] | mchou: | yup, news is old |
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| [14:01:05] | thefRont: | hm... my backend can't find my xmltv grabber |
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| [14:08:18] | gbee: | thefRont: tv_find_grabbers baseline |
| [14:09:12] | thefRont: | all my grabbers are gathered in /usr/bin |
| [14:09:27] | thefRont: | but I wonder how I can tell mythtv-setup to use them |
| [14:09:36] | gbee: | <gbee> thefRont: tv_find_grabbers baseline |
| [14:10:18] | thefRont: | so? this shows me, where my grabbers are... |
| [14:10:21] | gbee: | ahh crap, Five US replaced The Shield last night, now I've got to hope they are repeating it |
| [14:10:37] | stuarta: | swines |
| [14:10:38] | thefRont: | when I add a new video source in mythtv-setup the only grabbers I have available is the builtin one and EIT |
| [14:10:40] | gbee: | thefRont: that's all that mythtv-setup runs |
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| [14:11:43] | thefRont: | hmm...might be this line that confuses mythtv |
| [14:11:43] | thefRont: | http://static.xmltv.info/grabber-py.tar |
| [14:11:45] | thefRont: | oops |
| [14:11:50] | thefRont: | Timeout from: /usr/local/bin/tv_grab_tvtv --capabilities 2>/dev/null |
| [14:12:05] | thefRont: | will fix that |
| [14:13:38] | thefRont: | ah, this looks much better |
| [14:14:08] | ** gbee picks something else to watch over his sandwich ** | |
| [14:18:33] | justinh: | hrm. this 8x 750GB HDD RAID5 array might take a while to build |
| [14:18:43] | stuarta: | lucky you |
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| [14:24:38] | justinh: | been trying to get this damn thing working for ages. turned out I needed a special undocumented admin password |
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| [14:44:19] | sulx: | hmm...I reinstalled my mythbox and just copied old recordings...now seeking doesn't work correctly with new setup (trough mythvideo/internal player)...any way to regenerate seek tables or something? |
| [14:45:37] | justinh: | mythcommflag --help will tell you how |
| [14:45:40] | stuarta: | did you not copy the database |
| [14:46:17] | justinh: | though, stuff like the TZ on the new install being different can screw things like that up |
| [14:46:20] | sulx: | stuarta: no, because I was using trunk and now 0.21 |
| [14:46:39] | sulx: | justinh: yea thnx just noticed that also |
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| [15:00:08] | justinh: | nope. I've still not appeared in Holy Moly's C***s Corner. Must try harder |
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| [15:11:15] | awilkins: | Is Qt4 compatible enough with Qt3 for myth 0.21 ? |
| [15:11:34] | awilkins: | ie – can I build and install 0.21-fixes on qt4 with no qt3 install? |
| [15:11:39] | stuarta: | no |
| [15:11:42] | awilkins: | Ta |
| [15:11:46] | stuarta: | qt3 is required |
| [15:14:26] | awilkins: | Thanks for that. Hosed my damn Gentoo install tripping over Blocked ebuilds |
| [15:15:00] | awilkins: | Hopefully I can still remember how to get all this stuff working, it's a good few years since I did it |
| [15:15:31] | stuarta: | step 1. get a distro that doesn't require building everything :) |
| [15:15:54] | awilkins: | Heh, yes, I am sorely tempted to grab MythBuntu and slap it on |
| [15:16:10] | awilkins: | But it doesn't seem to support my cruddy old graphics hardware |
| [15:16:16] | awilkins: | (last I looked, anyway) |
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| [15:17:34] | awilkins: | It's going remarkably fast this time around |
| [15:18:24] | awilkins: | I've got from bare root to close-to-buildable in only 16 hours :-) |
| [15:18:37] | awilkins: | Oh dung |
| [15:18:40] | awilkins: | It just stopped |
| [15:18:50] | awilkins: | Hah, darned FONT_DIR thing |
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| [15:23:28] | test3: | hi |
| [15:24:29] | test3: | i need a small linux OS that can support myth .. what should i try ? (i need an OS with some auto-install tools, if possible) |
| [15:25:10] | test3: | is myth easy to install on puppy for example ? |
| [15:25:41] | ** stuarta detects cruelty to animals ** | |
| [15:25:47] | test3: | :) |
| [15:25:55] | test3: | man.. |
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| [15:26:00] | test3: | lol |
| [15:26:40] | test3: | ok .. i try something else.. |
| [15:26:54] | stuarta: | use whatever you are familiar with |
| [15:26:59] | test3: | is there an OS that comes with myth inside ? |
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| [15:27:31] | stuarta: | i'm sure there's a list of them on the wiki |
| [15:28:19] | test3: | stuarta: ty .. |
| [15:28:33] | JEDIDIAH__: | "myth" isn't so much the problem as device support is ivtv, lirc & v4l and such. |
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| [15:30:14] | test3: | ok |
| [15:31:54] | awilkins: | I used Gentoo, but I'm thinking it's a bit lost and alone these days |
| [15:32:14] | awilkins: | But around 0.16 – 0.17 it was the only way to get all my DVB-T hardware working |
| [15:32:50] | awilkins: | lirc was one of the harder things to configure |
| [15:34:05] | justinh: | still is |
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| [15:34:27] | awilkins: | I remember having to write kernel patches to get it working with my gear :-) |
| [15:34:59] | ** justinh started using mythtv when 2.6.9 kernels were still new ** | |
| [15:35:01] | awilkins: | My remote pickup is actually an input dev |
| [15:35:09] | stuarta: | i had to write patches to fix things they broke in my driver |
| [15:35:10] | awilkins: | So that's a lot easier |
| [15:35:28] | awilkins: | You can mostly treat the remote like a keyboard |
| [15:35:45] | awilkins: | And just remap a few things in the likes of mplayer |
| [15:36:48] | thefRont: | can I manually import a xmltv file into the mythtv database? |
| [15:37:33] | gbee: | mythfilldatabase --file <sourceid> <xmlfile> |
| [15:37:34] | justinh: | yes |
| [15:37:53] | gbee: | but it's a last resort type measure |
| [15:38:23] | thefRont: | :) |
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| [15:43:10] | test3: | stuarta: actually, wiki says that "This is one of the most hotly disputed topics on #mythtv-users (other than politics or religion). All Linux distributions that are capable of installing or compiling all of the prerequisites are usable. Asking for advice in choosing a distro is ill-advised as many of us have strong opinions based on our usage requirements" |
| [15:44:20] | test3: | but when i ask what OS for myth, I cant see anyone fighting here .. ;) |
| [15:45:52] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: Oh come now, GSoC wasn't a complete failure! We got.. erm... um... mythweather and... erm... I... I... I'll be over here. |
| [15:46:55] | GreyFoxx: | test3: Over the years the zealotry has gone down |
| [15:47:08] | GreyFoxx: | it use to turn into gentoo/ubuntu/fedora wars |
| [15:47:23] | iamlindoro_: | Plus most people have an answer already in mind when they ask the question |
| [15:47:30] | tanderson: | since then everyone realises gentoo won |
| [15:47:39] | awilkins: | I think gentoo is probably on the wane, and if Ubuntu works, it works. |
| [15:47:49] | mchou: | we still poke fun at gentoo though |
| [15:47:54] | iamlindoro_: | They ask "What's the best distro" but the followup is always "But why can't I use $whatIReallyWantToUse?" |
| [15:48:02] | GreyFoxx: | More and more users are using stuff like mythbuntu and so so fewer are asking opinions |
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| [15:49:51] | gbee: | mythweather did come out of GSoC, but it still needed a lot of work before it was finished/usable :) |
| [15:50:10] | mchou: | what did you folks expect? |
| [15:50:16] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: I was being facetious :) |
| [15:50:33] | mchou: | it's not like people can get productive in 3 months |
| [15:51:09] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: I know, that wasn't for your benefit ... maybe I should have kept quiet :) |
| [15:51:18] | iamlindoro_: | heh |
| [15:52:11] | iamlindoro_: | speaking of summer of code, one of the proposed ffmpeg projects is AACS encryption and decryption |
| [15:52:39] | gbee: | ooo |
| [15:53:00] | iamlindoro_: | Would be neat to inherit HD-DVD support and half of blu-ray encryption support from a libav* |
| [15:53:06] | iamlindoro_: | er from libav* |
| [15:53:18] | gbee: | yeah, I like neat solutions |
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| [16:13:07] | test3: | well, ty for this lesson of linux-history :) |
| [16:13:29] | test3: | i'm about choose the OS.. i'm gonna click on ... |
| [16:14:11] | test3: | (cause i can't install my damn suse on my poor old pc) |
| [16:16:33] | test3: | damn.. i don't know.. lol |
| [16:17:13] | iamlindoro_: | slackbuntusetoomythzerbo |
| [16:17:20] | iamlindoro_: | It's the best |
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| [16:17:49] | test3: | :) |
| [16:18:09] | lifewithryan: | using a pvr-350 on mythbuntu — had it working a long time ago, box crashed...just now getting around to rebuilding...when I record "basic cable", the recording is scrambled...am i missing something? |
| [16:18:26] | test3: | KnoppMyth .. or amicus ? |
| [16:18:59] | iamlindoro_: | I've never heard of amicus, and knoppmyth just had a new release, so on the basis of that alone I would choose knoppmyth between those two |
| [16:19:17] | keith4: | "amicus"? |
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| [16:19:42] | test3: | "A.M.I.C.U.S. – An automatic MythTV installer with a guide and menu script specifically designed for new users of GNU/Linux and/or MythTV. " wiki /faqs/what os ? |
| [16:19:53] | iamlindoro_: | Never heard of 'em |
| [16:20:00] | keith4: | lifewithryan: do you have digital cable? |
| [16:20:04] | stuarta: | someone's doing some leg pulling |
| [16:20:14] | iamlindoro_: | Knoppmyth/Mythbuntu/Mythdora if you want a myth-type-distro |
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| [16:20:23] | iamlindoro_: | They're the warhorses |
| [16:20:33] | keith4: | debian packages are sufficient, imho |
| [16:20:41] | stuarta: | !seen sanity |
| [16:20:41] | MythLogBot: | sanity has not been seen here |
| [16:20:46] | stuarta: | :) |
| [16:20:50] | test3: | iamlindoro : ok.. and what is the lightest |
| [16:20:52] | lifewithryan: | nope...basic cable |
| [16:20:54] | iamlindoro_: | sufficient tends to scale with the user |
| [16:21:05] | test3: | precisely .. ;) |
| [16:21:10] | test3: | u know me ;) |
| [16:21:13] | iamlindoro_: | test3: They can all be done in a few gigs |
| [16:21:18] | lifewithryan: | but my thought was that "perhaps" they forgot to turn the digital cable off when we down-graded |
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| [16:21:48] | lifewithryan: | keith4 — i was thinking perhaps that is the problem though...thats what it seems like |
| [16:21:55] | iamlindoro_: | test3: And although I haven't used mythdora, the other two use light WMs and do everything they can to keep things light |
| [16:22:04] | gbee: | minimyth |
| [16:22:08] | iamlindoro_: | I'm sure mythdora is similar/same |
| [16:22:22] | test3: | so knopmyth seems to b the eaiest to install and run |
| [16:22:24] | iamlindoro_: | yes, if all you want is a frontend then minimyth might be a consideration too |
| [16:22:38] | lifewithryan: | just wierd because i had this working about two years ago --- same cable plan and my regular TV isn't scrambled without a "cable box" |
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| [16:22:56] | keith4: | ah, then you should be okay |
| [16:23:09] | iamlindoro_: | test3: There's really no "easiest" IMO, all the myth distros are similarly simple |
| [16:23:19] | lifewithryan: | thats what I thought — is it possible that "some" of the drops in my house have the digital signal and others don't? |
| [16:23:24] | iamlindoro_: | some do one thing better than the others, but they're all very user friendly |
| [16:23:34] | test3: | ok.. |
| [16:23:43] | lifewithryan: | when we "had" it the digital box was only in one room |
| [16:23:55] | test3: | gbee: is minimyth a full OS ? |
| [16:24:28] | lifewithryan: | i'll have to test my connection to the mythbox with normal tv and see what i get I suppose |
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| [16:26:20] | iamlindoro_: | test3: Minimyth is a full OS, but frontend and slave backend only-- if you need a full combined frontend and backend you need to look elsewhere |
| [16:26:49] | gbee: | huh |
| [16:27:10] | stuarta: | huh what? |
| [16:27:13] | test3: | i see |
| [16:27:26] | gbee: | guess I really don't have a clue about these myth distros |
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| [16:29:13] | JEDIDIAH__: | with good package managers, the distinction really is quite artificial (myth vs. non-myth distros) |
| [16:29:24] | c0p3rn1c: | I just removed the package ubuntu-mythtv-frontend but the mythtv user account still tries to login, how do I stop this? |
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| [16:30:15] | test3: | ok . last question : as i'm a poor newbie who doesn't know to survive (and install things) without Yast (or any autoinstall) ... should i use knopmyth or mythbuntu ? |
| [16:30:26] | gbee: | c0p3rn1c: suggest asking in #ubuntu or #mythbuntu |
| [16:30:39] | iamlindoro_: | test3: Both have good package managers, you'll just have to learn them |
| [16:30:39] | gbee: | nothing to do with mythtv |
| [16:31:02] | iamlindoro_: | test3: apt on mythbuntu, pacman on knoppmyth |
| [16:31:19] | c0p3rn1c: | gbee: ok |
| [16:33:21] | cesman: | apt is on knoppmyth as well |
| [16:33:28] | cesman: | pacman is on LinHES ;) |
| [16:33:37] | iamlindoro_: | yes, good point |
| [16:33:44] | iamlindoro_: | test3: (knoppmyth is now linHES) |
| [16:33:59] | iamlindoro_: | so I should say "What used to be knoppmyth now uses pacman" |
| [16:34:16] | cesman: | test3: Use LinHES |
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| [16:34:34] | gbee: | says cesman without bias :P |
| [16:34:39] | cesman: | test3: you should know since I started theproject, I'm bias ;) |
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| [16:35:13] | gbee: | linHES = Linux Home Entertainment System? |
| [16:35:44] | cesman: | gbee: yes |
| [16:37:13] | iamlindoro_: | cesman: By the way, there was some confusion on the users list about whether you had released LinHES, by the way, as you haven't made a "It's out, go get it" announcement on your page |
| [16:37:14] | gbee: | sorry, I've been too busy to follow everything that has been happening in the community lately |
| [16:37:42] | iamlindoro_: | cesman: Something like "I know cecil would have said somethng if it were out, you must be using a beta" |
| [16:38:08] | cesman: | iamlindoro_: the core is solid, still some things we need to do... |
| [16:38:33] | cesman: | iamlindoro_: it is up for those that want it... |
| [16:38:45] | justinh: | * with added viddypow |
| [16:39:23] | cesman: | only as an option |
| [16:40:00] | iamlindoro_: | whatwhat? You're not really distributing VDPAU backports, are you? |
| [16:40:25] | cesman: | only to smart people |
| [16:40:37] | iamlindoro_: | Smart people don't *use* VDPAU backports |
| [16:40:47] | cesman: | works fine |
| [16:40:54] | iamlindoro_: | sigh |
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| [16:41:47] | kardiel: | Which gfx card is best for use with mythtv?? |
| [16:41:59] | GreyFoxx: | Most any modern Nvidia card is recommended |
| [16:42:56] | keith4: | lifewithryan: it is possible. look for inline filters wherever it splits |
| [16:44:01] | test3: | ty all |
| [16:44:04] | lifewithryan: | okay.... |
| [16:44:12] | lifewithryan: | not even sure that that is :) |
| [16:44:21] | test3: | i'll linHES , then knomyth if neccesary |
| [16:44:40] | ** gbee smiles ** | |
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| [16:49:23] | test3: | lol yes u can smile .. as it's the same .. |
| [16:49:26] | test3: | oooops |
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| [16:49:51] | test3: | so i'l inhes then mythbuntu ;) |
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| [17:06:21] | test3: | cesman: can't find any linHES.iso cd ... |
| [17:06:47] | gbee: | so Asus have unveiled a new EEE, which has drawn comparisons to Mac Air styling, but which to me has far more parallels with the design of the Acer Aspire One – right down to the "luxe pearlescent casing", shiny black screen surround, power button etc |
| [17:08:36] | ** cesman thinks test3 should join #linhes ** | |
| [17:08:43] | test3: | :) |
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| [17:41:18] | kardiel: | is there drivers for firedtv in linux yet? |
| [17:41:56] | wagnerrp: | firedtv? |
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| [17:44:32] | kardiel: | its an external digital reciever |
| [17:45:20] | iamlindoro_: | It's a firewire DVB device |
| [17:45:36] | iamlindoro_: | and as for drivers, you can look that up yourself at linuxtv.org |
| [17:45:43] | iamlindoro_: | (as we don't do drivers here) |
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| [17:46:34] | iamlindoro_: | The short answer is no, and probably never |
| [17:46:57] | iamlindoro_: | As ISTR to the company the makes them being fairly open-source-unfriendly |
| [17:47:50] | wagnerrp: | http://firesat.kurelid.se/ |
| [17:48:37] | wagnerrp: | thats a pretty fugly piece of hardware |
| [17:48:49] | wagnerrp: | firewire attached, in internal slot form... |
| [17:49:15] | iamlindoro_: | That's the floppydtv (the internal one) |
| [17:49:20] | iamlindoro_: | the firedtv is an external box |
| [17:49:41] | iamlindoro_: | which is sorta "blah" looking but not ugly or anything |
| [17:49:54] | iamlindoro_: | I think the floppydtv appears to the VDR type crowd |
| [17:50:11] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.cadsoft.de/vdr/ |
| [17:50:17] | iamlindoro_: | Check out the sexy beast on that page |
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| [17:51:11] | wagnerrp: | does anyone else think it poor practice to put computers and vhs tapes next to a big speaker? |
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| [17:51:47] | iamlindoro_: | I suppose it could be shielded, but... probably not that one |
| [17:51:50] | gbee: | no, I'd say it's a pretty good space saving tip |
| [17:52:16] | gbee: | a week later you'll have no more tapes to store |
| [17:52:23] | iamlindoro_: | hehe |
| [17:52:46] | iamlindoro_: | What's more, I'm pretty sure those are beta tapes |
| [17:53:06] | iamlindoro_: | So no worries about finding replacements |
| [17:53:12] | iamlindoro_: | and so apropo for a VDR user |
| [17:54:44] | gbee: | heh, changelog for VDR reads like MythTV 3 years ago |
| [17:55:28] | gbee: | 'The "Play" key now starts replay of the selected recording in the Recordings menu' |
| [17:55:31] | iamlindoro_: | "The "Play" key now starts replay of the selected recording in the Recordings me" |
| [17:55:33] | iamlindoro_: | HAHAHA |
| [17:55:33] | gbee: | ahh, bless em |
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| [17:59:03] | justinh: | wth did the play key do before? |
| [17:59:21] | iamlindoro_: | Started your softcam? |
| [17:59:28] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | This does look intriguing though... Even more so if it was a Graphical LCD display instead of 7-segment displays... http://www.cadsoft.de/vdr/remote.htm |
| [18:00:23] | iamlindoro_: | J-e-f-f-A|work: But *why* when you can buy something great and pre-fabbed already? |
| [18:01:12] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro_: yeah, I suppose... I can do that stuff myself though... saving $$$ ;-) |
| [18:01:23] | iamlindoro_: | I'm not sure you'd save any money at it |
| [18:01:30] | iamlindoro_: | Economies of scale |
| [18:04:50] | iamlindoro_: | If you like messing with that stuff you can build an atmolight and get it working with Myth :) |
| [18:07:20] | justinh: | then again the freevo changelog was more like 2006: last time I looked at it. Yet myth was taking the rap for being 'dead' |
| [18:09:49] | squidly: | anyone have a recomendation for a slim cheap media pc? |
| [18:10:48] | wagnerrp: | frontend or combined? |
| [18:10:58] | squidly: | frontend only |
| [18:11:11] | squidly: | also I would like a remote and build in wireless |
| [18:11:42] | squidly: | and I would like a hdmi output |
| [18:11:48] | wagnerrp: | you dont want built in wireless (you dont want a wireless card, or wireless bridge either for that matter) |
| [18:12:00] | iamlindoro_: | I'd like a pony |
| [18:12:17] | iamlindoro_: | anyway, you can have slim and you can have cheap, but generally not combined |
| [18:12:35] | iamlindoro_: | slim w/ any amount of power/features costs $$$ |
| [18:13:01] | squidly: | iamlindoro_: its just doing SD, and nfs from my backend |
| [18:13:11] | squidly: | I dont have a HD input right now. |
| [18:13:17] | iamlindoro_: | So what do you care about HDMI for? |
| [18:13:28] | squidly: | iamlindoro_: neatness of cords |
| [18:13:37] | iamlindoro_: | You have an SD display that does HDMI? |
| [18:13:48] | squidly: | and futurepoofing for when I get HD |
| [18:13:54] | squidly: | iamlindoro_: getting a lcdtv |
| [18:14:03] | iamlindoro_: | Okay, so that futureproofing is going to cost you money then |
| [18:14:22] | squidly: | yea |
| [18:14:42] | iamlindoro_: | You can get something sort of slim and sort of inexpensive but it's only ever going to do SD. Or you can futureproof, but that will cost you money |
| [18:14:53] | iamlindoro_: | So you're going to need to decide which is more important to you |
| [18:15:46] | wagnerrp: | or you can wait a month and just pick up an ION like the rest of everyone who wants new toys |
| [18:16:01] | squidly: | wagnerrp: ION? |
| [18:16:04] | iamlindoro_: | Which may or may not meet people's definition of cheap |
| [18:16:08] | wagnerrp: | ION! |
| [18:16:24] | squidly: | I'm trying to keep it under/around 400 |
| [18:17:05] | squidly: | I was thinking of getting a shuttle pc |
| [18:17:26] | wagnerrp: | what kind of content are you looking at playing? |
| [18:17:31] | wagnerrp: | that determines how much power you need |
| [18:17:43] | squidly: | mostly SD |
| [18:17:49] | squidly: | perhpas upgrade to blue-ray later |
| [18:17:51] | wagnerrp: | and as such, the cost, difficulty, and compromises you have to make |
| [18:17:53] | squidly: | and some HD later |
| [18:18:19] | iamlindoro_: | What you plan on now is inconsequential |
| [18:18:23] | wagnerrp: | ATSC/QAM can be played with any remotely modern desktop processor |
| [18:18:25] | iamlindoro_: | just define the MAXIMUM you intend to play |
| [18:18:46] | wagnerrp: | any A64 or Core2 should handle HD mpeg2 |
| [18:18:47] | squidly: | ideal situation, a nice small formfactor with a remote, 2 SD streams, and blue-ray/dvd reader |
| [18:19:28] | wagnerrp: | i dont expect live blu-ray playback happening any time in the next year |
| [18:19:31] | wagnerrp: | maybe two |
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| [18:20:10] | ** iamlindoro_ gives up on getting a solid set of requirements ** | |
| [18:20:45] | wagnerrp: | beyond that, i have no intention of ever using a blu-ray or even dvd player, on one of my frontends |
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| [18:21:11] | wagnerrp: | just seems easier to get a real player for that |
| [18:21:18] | wagnerrp: | or rip for long term storage |
| [18:21:38] | squidly: | iamlindoro_: i'm sorry. Lets assume I wont be doning any HD from my backend at all. Just SD output |
| [18:22:02] | squidly: | (I know jack about HD anywho and wont be playing with it for a while) |
| [18:22:27] | wagnerrp: | if you only want SD output, grab an eeepc or something |
| [18:22:35] | wagnerrp: | it should handle SD mpeg2 just fine |
| [18:22:49] | squidly: | I need a remote with it as well |
| [18:23:31] | wagnerrp: | so grab an mceusb off newegg |
| [18:23:37] | squidly: | and I will be ripping moives |
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| [18:23:57] | wagnerrp: | so do that on your desktop |
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| [18:24:25] | squidly: | I cant get my gf to use my fronted on my desktop to rip/copy moives |
| [18:25:39] | justinh: | DIY :) |
| [18:25:44] | squidly: | also it will be burning dvd's and vcd's |
| [18:26:10] | justinh: | god, it's enough effort to get most partners to pick up a remote to watch & schedule stuff let alone rip discs |
| [18:26:18] | justinh: | wth burns VCDs? |
| [18:26:19] | iamlindoro_: | Also it will be giving me a pony |
| [18:26:39] | iamlindoro_: | buy a $30 USB DVD-rom then |
| [18:26:53] | squidly: | iamlindoro_: that is what I was planning on doing. |
| [18:27:00] | iamlindoro_: | Honestly, and with no offense intended, you need to sit down and write out what your requirements are |
| [18:27:03] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | giving a pony? |
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| [18:27:36] | iamlindoro_: | You can't *have* cheap and slim and fast and forward compatible and futureproof and ponies and naked chicks |
| [18:27:52] | iamlindoro_: | You have to prioritize and be prepared to make sacrifices |
| [18:27:52] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work laughs ** | |
| [18:28:09] | iamlindoro_: | if price is no object, we can help you. If price matters, then decide what you can give up |
| [18:28:19] | squidly: | I have no problem building a box, I just want SD, dvd-rip/burn abilities, wireless remote (not keyboard), and wireless |
| [18:28:24] | iamlindoro_: | Otherwise, buy a eee box, buy usb remotes and DVD-ROMs, and be done with it |
| [18:28:26] | squidly: | those are my base requirements |
| [18:28:52] | iamlindoro_: | and if that's not enough, since you don't have a problem building a box, then go price one out at newegg |
| [18:29:08] | squidly: | yea that is what I'm looking at now. |
| [18:29:14] | justinh: | make sacrifices? you're gonna need 3 goats to every virgin the spec dictates |
| [18:29:33] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: Didn't you hear? VDPAU is gonna get us all laid |
| [18:29:46] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | justinh: HA! You're killing me over here... HA!!!!! |
| [18:29:50] | iamlindoro_: | It's going to be hookers and blow for everyone! |
| [18:30:19] | iamlindoro_: | And we're going to have pony rides and... what's that? only a few codecs? Doesn't respond well to corruption? Crashy? And... But... |
| [18:30:20] | squidly: | hahah |
| [18:30:22] | iamlindoro_: | what about the hookers? |
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| [18:31:07] | iamlindoro_: | and you don't even want to hear about the *cough* "backports" |
| [18:31:08] | wagnerrp: | well youll still have hookers, but everyone will have to choose between just three |
| [18:31:27] | iamlindoro_: | Ewwww, a 10,000:1 hooker to geek ratio |
| [18:31:32] | iamlindoro_: | er geek to hooker |
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| [18:33:23] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro_: ha! ;-) I just watched "Revenge of the Nerds" last-night... ;-) |
| [18:33:58] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Thank God I wasn't that bad!!!! |
| [18:34:23] | iamlindoro_: | Was filmed at my university |
| [18:34:40] | iamlindoro_: | (the university I attended, that is to say) |
| [18:34:44] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro_: no kidding... You must be RICH then!!! |
| [18:34:59] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | ^ha, you hit enter about 1/2 a second before I did... DOH! |
| [18:35:14] | iamlindoro_: | The dorm they kicked the nerds out of was the all-mens dorm, har |
| [18:35:44] | iamlindoro_: | Good ol' Tucson |
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| [19:32:55] | JEDIDIAH__: | what's the keycode to set a bookmark in a recording/video? |
| [19:33:09] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...in trunk. |
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| [19:34:57] | iamlindoro_: | Hasn't changed, it's Enter |
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| [19:35:36] | JEDIDIAH__: | now, how do I make sure that the bookmark gets set when I run it externally ( mythtv /jedis/DVDs/Alf_103.avi )? |
| [19:36:53] | Dagmar: | You right code. |
| [19:37:01] | Dagmar: | Wow. s/right/write/; |
| [19:37:05] | iamlindoro_: | Some funcitonality isn't accessible when playing a file from the command line (it's only meant as a debug tool) but if it's set, it'll be in recordedmarkup or filemakup as that tables marktype for a bookmark |
| [19:37:52] | iamlindoro_: | Mark type 2 IIRC |
| [19:38:25] | iamlindoro_: | No idea if setting a bookmark from the command line player would work, however |
| [19:40:54] | JEDIDIAH__: | setting it works fine. but it's a manual process. |
| [19:41:17] | iamlindoro_: | Manual how? |
| [19:41:41] | JEDIDIAH__: | "do it yourself" versus "myth already does it for you" |
| [19:41:52] | gbee: | settings |
| [19:42:10] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...although I don't know that for sure for mythvideo since I don't really use the internal player for videos. |
| [19:42:14] | iamlindoro_: | Ah, you mean you want it to save whatever point you exit at? |
| [19:42:20] | iamlindoro_: | Yes, as gbee says, that's a setting |
| [19:42:21] | JEDIDIAH__: | yup. |
| [19:44:20] | gbee: | try explaining in more detail what you mean the first time, then we don't have to go through all this guesswork |
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| [19:44:47] | GreyFoxx: | a process lovingly referred to as pulling teeth :) |
| [19:45:20] | Dagmar: | I don't pull teeth unless I'm allowed to enjoy it |
| [19:45:46] | justinh: | dremelling tops pulling :) |
| [19:46:05] | ** justinh pulls down his visor ** | |
| [19:48:08] | gbee: | what does that most recent post to the -dev list have to do with development? |
| [19:48:41] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: Already responded to it :) |
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| [20:06:14] | cityLights2: | hi all, I just want to know if this issue rings any bell: when I run the current 0.22 head version |
| [20:06:24] | cityLights2: | and switch to liveTV – X crashs |
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| [20:06:49] | iamlindoro_: | Off the top of my head, the most common reason for somehting like that would be broken video drivers |
| [20:06:52] | cityLights2: | when I run it using gdb – all is ok, except I hear the audio in a higher pitch |
| [20:07:13] | cityLights2: | I did compile with ggdb symbols |
| [20:07:37] | cityLights2: | I am using a ati 7500 graphics card with open source driver |
| [20:07:54] | cityLights2: | need I build with xvmc turned off? |
| [20:08:01] | iamlindoro_: | No |
| [20:08:13] | iamlindoro_: | But you might try fglrx and see if it still happens |
| [20:08:31] | gbee: | actually it's a fairly common known issue with trunk, some bad interaction with the video usage of opengl and the gl UI painter |
| [20:08:38] | cityLights2: | my xorg.conf reads: http://rafb.net/p/Sp4l2S92.html |
| [20:08:39] | Dagmar: | XVMC has nothing to do with your compile-time stuff |
| [20:09:04] | gbee: | does the same with my Intel GPU netbook |
| [20:09:36] | cityLights2: | I run a RV250 |
| [20:09:46] | cityLights2: | ok |
| [20:10:05] | Dagmar: | WTF |
| [20:10:13] | iamlindoro_: | so sounds like trying the Qt painter might be worth a shot |
| [20:10:18] | Dagmar: | Why are you setting the target refresh rate to 85Hz? |
| [20:10:35] | Dagmar: | Damn Gentoo users |
| [20:10:38] | iamlindoro_: | Qt painter, Xv-blit as the video renderer, that is to say |
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| [20:11:15] | cityLights2: | xv-blit is used |
| [20:11:35] | cityLights2: | where is that QT painter setting? |
| [20:11:43] | iamlindoro_: | In appearance |
| [20:11:53] | cityLights2: | ok |
| [20:12:17] | Dagmar: | Seriously, don't set the refresh rate like that |
| [20:12:23] | jamiem: | did anyone build against GTK yet? ;) |
| [20:12:28] | cityLights2: | I use a crt |
| [20:12:37] | Dagmar: | Let the video card and display sort it out for themselves, or set it some multiple of the frame rate of your most common content. |
| [20:12:48] | Dagmar: | I don't care if you use color-changing seashells as a display |
| [20:12:58] | Dagmar: | 85Hz is not a rational value to target |
| [20:13:12] | Dagmar: | All it will do is cause image tearing |
| [20:13:20] | Dagmar: | Faster is not moar betterer, man. |
| [20:13:23] | cityLights2: | ok ok, I will comment the line, and what should I tell xfce to use as a display? |
| [20:13:38] | Dagmar: | xfce doesn't much care |
| [20:13:47] | cityLights2: | rigt |
| [20:13:57] | Dagmar: | If you're in the US, aim for 60Hz. The UK (i.e., PAL areas), 50Hz. |
| [20:13:58] | cityLights2: | right, 60hz hurts my eyes |
| [20:14:05] | iamlindoro_: | let's not get distracted |
| [20:14:10] | cityLights2: | ok, I will set it to 50 |
| [20:14:16] | iamlindoro_: | let's solve problem A before we move on to problem b |
| [20:14:21] | Dagmar: | Are you in the UK? |
| [20:14:28] | cityLights2: | Israel |
| [20:14:32] | Dagmar: | They use PAL there? |
| [20:14:36] | cityLights2: | right |
| [20:14:47] | Dagmar: | Okay, 50Hz would be what you want then |
| [20:15:33] | cityLights2: | in the client playback profile I changed to normal and set it to two cpus as I use a HT pentium4 |
| [20:15:56] | Dagmar: | Yeah the GL part of the driver being busted can absolutely bring X down when something tries to use it |
| [20:16:38] | cityLights2: | back to 1 cpu then and osd render set to softblend |
| [20:16:49] | iamlindoro_: | cityLights2: Did you switch the UI painter in appearance? That's nowhere near playback profiles |
| [20:17:12] | cityLights2: | right a min |
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| [20:18:28] | cityLights2: | paint engine is set to the default QT |
| [20:18:34] | cityLights2: | theme screen |
| [20:19:31] | cityLights2: | ok, hope I wont crash now |
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| [20:19:46] | iamlindoro_: | Well if you're using xv-blit as the video renderer and Qt as the UI painter, sounds like it might not be what gbee was thinking of-- in which case I'm back to betting on video drivers |
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| [20:31:29] | cityLights1: | hi |
| [20:31:43] | cityLights1: | good news: it now works and doesnt kill my x session |
| [20:32:00] | cityLights1: | but I still hear the audio in high pitch |
| [20:32:28] | cityLights1: | I set the refresh rate to 50, I think I need to set the screen size to 800x600 |
| [20:32:38] | cityLights1: | cause 1200x1000 is high |
| [20:32:54] | plipp: | Hi guys. I am to rebuild my intel driver to enable video overlay, however I've been thinking.. |
| [20:32:54] | plipp: | As I've understood it, Video Overlay uses color-keying to specify where the video is visible, but I somehow doubt that it is an alpha-channel..? This would mean that OSDs would look bad. The reason why I want to do this in the first place is because of tearing problems with the intel integrated graphics. However, I tried it with Vista MCE and it shows both tear-free and an OSD with alpha video. So either I'm wrong with video overlay not u |
| [20:33:03] | wagnerrp: | what do you have that runs at 1200x1000? |
| [20:33:21] | cityLights1: | I use this desktop to work on |
| [20:33:39] | cityLights1: | and I use 1200x100 for my crt |
| [20:33:56] | wagnerrp: | ive never heard of anything running at that resolution |
| [20:34:01] | cityLights1: | need I tell mythtv to open a new X with 800x600? |
| [20:34:01] | iamlindoro_: | That's a long slender display |
| [20:34:34] | wagnerrp: | and you really should not run a crt monitor at 50hz |
| [20:35:07] | cityLights1: | wagnerrp: right – this is why I had 85Hz |
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| [20:35:38] | jamiem: | 12:1 wow |
| [20:35:58] | cityLights1: | it is not excat guys |
| [20:38:15] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: Why not? |
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| [20:39:00] | wagnerrp: | Dagmar: eye strain, flicker... |
| [20:39:08] | Dagmar: | He's in the UK. |
| [20:39:14] | Dagmar: | er not UK, Israel. They're on PAL. |
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| [20:39:40] | Dagmar: | So, 50Hz is no different from a TV. |
| [20:39:50] | wagnerrp: | so being across the pond magically makes CRTs not visibly flicker? |
| [20:40:02] | plipp: | that's right |
| [20:40:07] | cityLights1: | well, I still here high pitch audio , even after setting to 800x600 at 60 hz |
| [20:40:23] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: TVs in the US only go at 60Hz. |
| [20:40:46] | wagnerrp: | but hes using a monitor, not a tv |
| [20:41:13] | Dagmar: | I've got a frontend using a monitor and a TV at home. Everything's set to 60hz. No flicker |
| [20:41:26] | cityLights1: | bye for now |
| [20:41:33] | cityLights1: | thanks |
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| [20:42:03] | Dagmar: | Interlacing is cool like that |
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| [20:42:54] | keith4: | Dagmar: but what about the 120Hz TVs? |
| [20:42:55] | ** keith4 ducks ** | |
| [20:43:04] | Dagmar: | I'd set 'em to 120Hz |
| [20:43:10] | Dagmar: | Multiples are fine. |
| [20:43:36] | Dagmar: | Frame rates fighting against display rates with a non-zero modulus is what will cause weird tearing issues |
| [20:43:43] | keith4: | yep |
| [20:43:52] | ** keith4 has had weird tearing issues ** | |
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| [20:51:49] | Chiliblack: | how much grunt does a backend server need to have? |
| [20:52:30] | Dagmar: | Not much |
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| [20:53:35] | Dagmar: | See http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview |
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| [21:11:05] | wagnerrp: | Chiliblack: it only needs grunt for commflagging and transcoding |
| [21:11:16] | wagnerrp: | and commflagging doesnt take a considerable amount of grunt |
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| [21:27:26] | iamlindoro_: | So libswscale just got alpha channel support, that's kinda neat |
| [21:29:27] | wagnerrp: | not sure what a scaler would do with transparency |
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| [21:31:48] | gbee: | video overlays etc |
| [21:33:02] | gbee: | actually it is an interesting question, I've never seen examples of video with transparency |
| [21:34:45] | iamlindoro_: | Was thinking it would be neat for software decoded video in the video widget to respect the alpha tag in MythUI |
| [21:34:55] | gbee: | yeah |
| [21:37:38] | iamlindoro_: | Might also allow for interesting-and-weird PIP stuff |
| [21:38:09] | iamlindoro_: | Or even if you don't intend to use it full-time you could fade it in by cranking the alpha up and down |
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| [21:40:18] | iamlindoro_: | Also a neat way to indicate focue for the video widget-- add a statetype for it and allow alpha |
| [21:40:23] | iamlindoro_: | er focus |
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| [21:40:40] | iamlindoro_: | anyway, those are just the off-the-top-of-my-head things that might make it neat to use |
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| [21:40:48] | iamlindoro_: | I'm sure smart people could come up with many more |
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| [21:43:42] | justinh: | gently fade in the start of playing back a recording, then gently fade it out when it's finished :) |
| [21:44:15] | iamlindoro_: | egg-zachary |
| [21:44:30] | justinh: | like one of the things I'd love to be able to do something about... kill all the audio clicks & pops in mythtv |
| [21:45:49] | justinh: | though that's probably a DC offset built up on my crap onboard sound thing |
| [21:45:55] | iamlindoro_: | Plus the whining about how the slick fades aren't available in $HARDWAREDECODER would be kinda fun too |
| [21:46:03] | justinh: | heh |
| [21:46:33] | wagnerrp: | why not? just fade out a black opengl overlay |
| [21:46:33] | justinh: | the htpc-philes will love swscaling if it's got lanczos or whatever they call it |
| [21:46:54] | iamlindoro_: | wagnerrp: what would that have to do with VDPAU? |
| [21:46:57] | justinh: | wagnerrp: true. more than one way to crack the nut |
| [21:47:06] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: It does |
| [21:47:12] | iamlindoro_: | (read the source the other day) |
| [21:47:13] | justinh: | yeh that's gonna have to be a viddypow overlay |
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| [21:47:26] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro_: you can render transparent opengl over VDPAU playback cant you? |
| [21:48:05] | iamlindoro_: | wagnerrp: Well right, but I was thinking more along the lines of a crossfade between the UI and the playback |
| [21:48:14] | iamlindoro_: | which admittedly would usually start with black |
| [21:48:26] | justinh: | or $COLOR :P |
| [21:48:49] | iamlindoro_: | libswscale actually seems surprisingly simple, it's a quick read |
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| [21:49:35] | iamlindoro_: | In the context of the rest of libav* anyway |
| [21:51:07] | iamlindoro_: | One more thing to add to playback profiles, I suppose :) |
| [21:51:39] | iamlindoro_: | and then we can start trouting people for enabling lanczos on every little thing |
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| [21:52:11] | justinh: | another thing to enrage the 500Mhz brethren |
| [21:53:32] | iamlindoro_: | "WTF? Why doesn't this work on my PVR-350 video out? What is WRONG with you people? I bet this would totally work in XBMC!" |
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| [21:54:52] | hadees: | lol, i don't think xorg cares if you are using xbmc or myth |
| [21:55:06] | Dagmar: | "Please paypal the amount of your bet before proceeding." |
| [21:55:37] | hadees: | well it looks like i'm going to drop cable and sell my HD PVRs |
| [21:56:07] | hadees: | wish there were more reasonably priced HD only packages |
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| [21:56:42] | hadees: | or my cable company didn't give me like no channels over QAM |
| [21:57:22] | justinh: | <3 digital |
| [21:57:24] | wagnerrp: | well they have to give you the local broadcast channels |
| [21:57:34] | wagnerrp: | although apparently they do not have to give you them in HD |
| [21:58:13] | meshe: | wagnerrp: sadly that's not true in Canada |
| [21:58:18] | justinh: | hey, read today that Heroes' last episode got less than 7 million viewers. Across the whole US?! 7m isn't that much more than primetime shows here |
| [21:58:34] | iamlindoro_: | Commensurate with the awfulness of heroes |
| [21:58:48] | justinh: | what do top ratings come in at over there? |
| [21:59:26] | hadees: | wagnerrp, well i get them in HD but i pretty much get nothing else, so why even pay them, i can just them OTA. |
| [21:59:33] | justinh: | ah. in the 20s of millions. heh |
| [22:00:03] | hadees: | heroes is terrible, i don't know why people still watch it |
| [22:00:32] | Dagmar: | We're waiting to see who'll bag the cheerleader. |
| [22:00:41] | iamlindoro_: | I have been trying to give it a chance because they got Bryan Fuller from Pushing Daisies writing the back half of the season, but I don't think even he can do anything with it |
| [22:00:45] | hadees: | meanwhile shows great shows like Pushing Daises get canceled and are fighting to get their last episodes shown |
| [22:01:02] | wagnerrp: | Dagmar: well technically, syler already had his way with her |
| [22:01:11] | wagnerrp: | one could claim he probed her insides |
| [22:01:11] | dr_mason: | have to agree ... but im glad breaking bad is back |
| [22:01:35] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: That sort of thing is only of interest to very specialized websites |
| [22:01:37] | iamlindoro_: | Peter Petrelli already did |
| [22:01:40] | iamlindoro_: | but it was off camera |
| [22:01:50] | iamlindoro_: | and in real life, which is WIN |
| [22:01:55] | hadees: | i wish there was a way to show what people actually watch, instead of the damn neilson ratings, although they would have to figure out privacy concerns |
| [22:02:09] | justinh: | piracy concerns? |
| [22:02:18] | Dagmar: | ...and how to hide the fact that so many people watch Skinimax At Nite |
| [22:02:40] | hadees: | Dagmar, with the Internet why would you need to? |
| [22:02:52] | Dagmar: | Because you find out weird things about Utah. |
| [22:03:06] | Dagmar: | Apparently they're the #1 state when it comes to consumption of online porno. |
| [22:03:08] | Dagmar: | Who knew? |
| [22:03:10] | hadees: | just go to your local library and pull up what ever porn site you want |
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| [22:03:15] | iamlindoro_: | Nielsen would be well served to buy their usage stats from Tivo + the cable co DVR stats-- Realtime viewing stats are next to useless now |
| [22:03:41] | iamlindoro_: | But makes sense that 60+ year olds are choosing your TV viewing in light of what's on the air/what gets canceled |
| [22:03:47] | gbee: | Heroes just never had a cohesive story to tell, whole thing seems directionless and almost improvised |
| [22:03:49] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: I am pretty sure they're getting data from them |
| [22:04:00] | Dagmar: | One of those lawsuits just had to be about that |
| [22:04:17] | justinh: | gbee: seemed to have worked for Lost from what I hear. Pity |
| [22:04:23] | iamlindoro_: | Dagmar: Last I looked into it they were still placing "nielsen boxes" in the house to guage realtime viewing |
| [22:04:26] | iamlindoro_: | er gauge |
| [22:04:30] | hadees: | iamlindoro_, the problem though with tivo is that there could be a selection bias since people who tend to buy tivos might not be a reflection of average Americans |
| [22:04:33] | Dagmar: | He's the genius that untangled Lost's lack of a plot? |
| [22:04:39] | Dagmar: | GENIUS I tell you |
| [22:04:55] | gbee: | justinh: dunno, at least until the last series (I've not seen the latest), I felt that Lost was heading somewhere |
| [22:04:59] | iamlindoro_: | hadees: No greater than the competing bias of those who watch realtime |
| [22:05:13] | iamlindoro_: | hadees: Gather both, weight identically and you should get a median |
| [22:05:24] | Dagmar: | hadees: Depends on whether or not republicans are funding them |
| [22:05:36] | gbee: | maybe not where everyone expected, but there was a sense of some over-arching story, compared to Heroes where it's all over the place |
| [22:05:37] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: I absolutely love this season, it has really picked up |
| [22:05:57] | Dagmar: | Republicans: Convincing pollsters that people with land lines still matter since 2001. |
| [22:06:05] | hadees: | iamlindoro_, well in theory Nielsen are supposed to be selecting people really carefully to accurately show what we are watching |
| [22:06:19] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: it's on an encrypted channel over here and I yanked my PVR-150 from the backend, so I can't record it – that's how much I hate livetv |
| [22:06:37] | iamlindoro_: | hadees: Yes, but the selection criterion automatically bias it towards an older, tech-unsavvy group |
| [22:06:38] | hadees: | but if you don't have a Nielsen box you might as well not exist |
| [22:06:49] | gbee: | I'd rather not watch something I enjoy than be forced to watch it live |
| [22:07:03] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: There's always DVDs eventually I guess |
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| [22:07:09] | hadees: | yeah i wonder if you get screwed out of having one if you have a tivo or something else because they can't get the boxes to work together |
| [22:07:18] | gbee: | that's my thought |
| [22:07:19] | justinh: | DVD box sets eventually cost less than cable subs :) |
| [22:07:28] | gbee: | I'd rent it |
| [22:07:48] | gbee: | not going to buy it because then I'd have to find shelf space for it |
| [22:07:49] | hadees: | justinh, why even get that, just get netflix |
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| [22:07:56] | gbee: | and I don't like it enough for that |
| [22:07:58] | justinh: | we ain't got no netflix |
| [22:08:20] | justinh: | similar dvd rental clubs, but no online delivery junk |
| [22:08:20] | hadees: | justinh, ah, you got no equivalent? |
| [22:08:23] | gbee: | justinh: lovefilm, blockbuster, err some other |
| [22:08:30] | gbee: | not true |
| [22:08:33] | gbee: | ^^ |
| [22:08:35] | justinh: | I can't commit :) |
| [22:08:51] | iamlindoro_: | Hope your blockbuster is a different organization entirely, as ours will be out of business shortly |
| [22:08:55] | gbee: | I was a member of lovefilm for a couple of years, same deal as Netflix |
| [22:08:57] | justinh: | I meant nothing like actual online content delivery. online ordering :) |
| [22:09:20] | iamlindoro_: | Christ Jesus, Knight Rider is still on and they've canceled 80% of *my* shows this season? |
| [22:09:34] | gbee: | and blockbuster was a late entry into the online/postal DVD rental biz, but they've got the brand behind them |
| [22:09:40] | hadees: | iamlindoro, i think i'm going to go for a two season rule |
| [22:09:46] | hadees: | i don't watch unless its in the second season |
| [22:09:46] | jams: | heard a rumor knight rider was being paid for by ford. |
| [22:09:53] | justinh: | I found a list tonight of upcoming movie remakes. SHUDDER |
| [22:10:30] | iamlindoro_: | He-man, GI Joe, etc? |
| [22:10:48] | gbee: | He-man? Oh wtf ... |
| [22:10:48] | hadees: | i'm kind of surprised Reaper didn't get canceled, i like the show but it just seemed doomed |
| [22:11:07] | gbee: | hmm, did The Unit get cancelled? |
| [22:11:12] | iamlindoro_: | hadees: CW seems to hang in there on its shows-- that's on CW, right? |
| [22:11:22] | justinh: | He-Man isn't on this list... http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/166239/55_mov . . . e_works.html |
| [22:11:22] | hadees: | iamlindoro, yeah |
| [22:11:24] | gbee: | low budget, but well done |
| [22:11:39] | iamlindoro_: | The CW seems to be the only "network" that will push all its shows to syndication length |
| [22:11:59] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: http://www.joblo.com/he-man-remake-coming |
| [22:12:05] | gbee: | and ever so slightly improbable at times too, but I was willing to forgive that for something that was otherwise unique |
| [22:12:05] | hadees: | it always cracks me up that Cyborg was supposed to be Masters of the Universe 2 |
| [22:12:22] | justinh: | Chips – the movie! OMFG |
| [22:13:02] | justinh: | Oh god. Kill me now. The Smurfs |
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| [22:13:55] | iamlindoro_: | Oldboy, there's a weird one-- the original came out like 5 minutes ago and is distinctly korean |
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| [22:14:30] | justinh: | next up – remakes of films not even out yet |
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| [22:15:14] | hadees: | justinh, you ever see the Unicef smurfs commercial? i don't think it was supposed to be funny but i can't watch it with out laughing, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MAYrF1PDks |
| [22:15:21] | gbee: | heh, Red Dawn – strangely I'd actually like to see a World War III land war scenario, though more along the lines of Red Storm Rising, which I suspect is unfilmable |
| [22:16:38] | gbee: | with a decent budget, no cheap CGI effect and if they lose the teenage kids angle ... maybe |
| [22:17:13] | iamlindoro_: | Some of these are gems of my childhood-- Flash gordon in particular |
| [22:17:16] | gbee: | what am I saying? This is hollywood, they love that teenage kids save the day angle :( |
| [22:17:20] | iamlindoro_: | I've seen that HUNDREDS of times |
| [22:17:40] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: same, though I'd not describe it as a gem |
| [22:17:57] | gbee: | soundtrack by Queen notwithstanding |
| [22:17:59] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: Heh, I'm not arguing its artistic merits, just fond memories of being very young |
| [22:18:08] | iamlindoro_: | and watching it while parents away |
| [22:18:27] | justinh: | hadees: I'll have nightmares if I watch anything Smurfy |
| [22:18:53] | wagnerrp: | maybe some smurf will finally smurf smurfette |
| [22:19:07] | justinh: | we all got that email |
| [22:19:12] | hadees: | justinh, you are missing out, the smurfts gets whats coming to them |
| [22:19:34] | justinh: | Smurfs are up there with Little House On The Prairie |
| [22:19:38] | dustybin: | Nvidia ION based Pico Box v New Nvidia Mac Mini — would both of these boxes make ace HD frontends? |
| [22:19:56] | justinh: | there's only one way to find out... FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT! |
| [22:20:13] | justinh: | oh wait. One is vaporware so can't participate |
| [22:20:48] | ** dustybin is being careful in what he says ** | |
| [22:21:01] | iamlindoro_: | I vote for ritualistic killing of anyone arguing that HD was useless a month ago and now asking stupid questions about HD frontends |
| [22:21:11] | justinh: | pfft. don't hold back on my account |
| [22:21:12] | wagnerrp: | well the mini mac is far more powerful than the ion, and doesnt use a whole lot more power |
| [22:21:26] | meshe: | the core 2 duo in the new mini should be able to decode full 1080p without VDAPU right? |
| [22:21:32] | gbee: | price though? |
| [22:21:41] | wagnerrp: | although the price is probably twice as much |
| [22:21:53] | justinh: | the jury is still out on whether the new mini could have enough video RAM to be able to use VDPAU |
| [22:21:58] | wagnerrp: | meshe: i could make 1080p video that my 8yr old laptop could play back |
| [22:21:59] | iamlindoro_: | meshe: If it can't now, once the frame-based multithreading code hits ffmpeg it ought to do fine |
| [22:22:18] | justinh: | 1080p mpeg2? oh yeah. |
| [22:22:29] | iamlindoro_: | I have played files straight off some of my blu-ray stuff on last model mini with a little work |
| [22:22:33] | justinh: | or maybe you meant like 50mbit/sec AVC :P |
| [22:22:38] | iamlindoro_: | mutli-sliced h.264 |
| [22:22:55] | meshe: | i'm trying to figure out what i put in my new frontend for cpu, i'm moving the backend off it it too, so it's just going to be a frontend |
| [22:23:02] | gbee: | Apple's whole business is based on charging 2x as much for the same hardware as everyone else, but convincing you that it's ok because it's Apple – so it must be better, right? |
| [22:23:18] | Dagmar: | Sad thing is it usually is better |
| [22:23:27] | Dagmar: | ...not that much better, but better. |
| [22:23:36] | justinh: | I've been very very tempted to buy a mac mini just on account of how diddy & cute they are |
| [22:23:47] | justinh: | nothing PC based even comes close for that price |
| [22:24:10] | gbee: | true, I'll grant you that the Mac Mini was an appealing offerring |
| [22:24:15] | dustybin: | justinh: apple have recently pushed the UK prices up |
| [22:24:16] | wagnerrp: | since when are macs no longer PC based? |
| [22:24:42] | justinh: | dustybin: £499 starting price. what's a hundred quid? |
| [22:24:47] | meshe: | forever, it's called branding :) |
| [22:24:48] | hadees: | iamlindoro, cool, then i'm getting the new mac mini for my htpc in my bedroom |
| [22:25:15] | justinh: | wagnerrp: PC-based as in .. y'know what I mean Mr Pedant ;) |
| [22:25:19] | hadees: | now i just need to wire up my house because i can't stream hd over wifi |
| [22:25:34] | iamlindoro_: | hadees: Note that I said it took some work :) ie disabling the deblocking filter, using threads, relying on the content to be multithreaded, etc... but it *is* possible |
| [22:25:52] | gbee: | though only in terms of size, you could actually buy the full works – machine/monitor/keyboard/etc for less than a Mac Mini, it just wouldn't be quite as compact |
| [22:25:54] | justinh: | I meant no non-apple box even comes close to the minis in terms of form factor |
| [22:26:07] | iamlindoro_: | that said, libavcodec's h.264 handling has improved markedly since I last tried, and there are further improvements coming that should make software decode even more solid |
| [22:26:17] | Dagmar: | justinh: They're called "laptops" when anyone else makes them |
| [22:26:21] | hadees: | iamlindoro, and that was on the last mac mini right? |
| [22:26:25] | justinh: | not quite as compact. heh. much biggerer |
| [22:26:32] | hadees: | what about using that graphics card to help with the decoding |
| [22:26:34] | gbee: | netbook |
| [22:26:39] | iamlindoro_: | I've played with Viddypoo, and it's a fun distraction, but it just doesn't approach the depth, breadth, and reliability of libav* |
| [22:26:51] | meshe: | what would you guys recommend if you were going to buy a frontend for HD today, using -fixes no vdapu? Intel CPU |
| [22:26:56] | iamlindoro_: | hadees: Yes, it was last model, and this was all software decode |
| [22:26:59] | justinh: | I'd hate for a duff stream to fry my GPU ;) |
| [22:27:23] | iamlindoro_: | meshe: Mid to high 2.x range core 2 duo |
| [22:27:35] | justinh: | and at least when software locks up you can restart the program – no power cycling needed :) |
| [22:27:36] | iamlindoro_: | 2.6, 2.8, or if price is no object, 3.0 |
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| [22:28:11] | meshe: | just got my husband a c2d 3.0 for about $300 a few mounths ago |
| [22:28:27] | hadees: | what is the state of hardware decoding on linux? and can you use it in combo with some sort of software decoding? |
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| [22:28:43] | meshe: | and thanks iamlindoro_ |
| [22:29:08] | hadees: | just curious how much the new mac mini could do if i could use the gpu |
| [22:29:09] | justinh: | actually a laptop would be quite a nifty frontend if money was no object, but still not as cute as a mac mini |
| [22:29:16] | iamlindoro_: | hadees: VDPAU and VA-API are the only games in town at the moment, but no matter whose implementation you use, you will be limited in codecs, encoding options, and reliability with slightly broken streams |
| [22:29:21] | iamlindoro_: | meshe: no problem |
| [22:29:34] | hadees: | then i guess software decoding it is |
| [22:29:46] | justinh: | it's all heat in the end :) |
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| [22:30:31] | iamlindoro_: | hadees: Note that when they work, they work great... but I and others who are trustworthy around here have fed VDPAU some slightly funky stuff and seen really awful rendering, hard lockups, broken hardware, etc. |
| [22:30:41] | meshe: | one more question on that line, i'm pretty sure my current 1.7 Celery can handle it, but i'm planning on putting 2 firewire HD streams into it for the backend no compression, that should be ok, right? |
| [22:30:43] | justinh: | I still don't mind saying I hope vdpau becomes everything we always wanted xvmc to be & more though |
| [22:30:54] | justinh: | I'm just not betting my house on it :) |
| [22:31:10] | iamlindoro_: | ie some broadcast material that doesn't even show breakage with software decode that cause VDPAU to literally fail out of decoding and drop back to the menu |
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| [22:31:25] | iamlindoro_: | meshe: Yeah, for just a backend it should do great |
| [22:31:26] | gbee: | justinh: I was going to turn an old laptop into a wall mounted frontend, remove the old case, remount the internals into a custom built thing ~1" deep, with the screen flipped around, would have been great except that I managed to short circuit something when putting it all back together :( |
| [22:31:35] | justinh: | oops |
| [22:32:08] | meshe: | cool, thanks again :) |
| [22:32:16] | hadees: | iamlindoro, i guess its a trade off, i really just want a sleak nice looking frontend to stick in my bedroom that isn't going to really get in the way. The mac mini fits that but i guess it might not always be able to do the highest bitrates |
| [22:32:42] | justinh: | I was looking at a chainsaw today. I think I found a new & productive hobby that's good for my soul. Get cracking on remodelling my garden |
| [22:32:53] | iamlindoro_: | hadees: I predict that some people who are pinning all their hopes on ION are going to be frustrated when they start having to rely on software decode for a lot of stuff and Atom isn't up to the task |
| [22:33:23] | gbee: | stuff with pretty minor damage which plays back flawlessly with software decoding causes major picture breakup with the VDPAU decoder |
| [22:33:29] | justinh: | computing is ok, but I'm starting to like fresh air & the satisfaction of doing stuff I can actually do quite well |
| [22:33:48] | hadees: | yea, i mean for my family room frontend i do all software decoding but i have a full size motherboard so i can throw what ever cpu i need at it |
| [22:34:01] | gbee: | generally I'd say that right now, use VDPAU only if you _need_ to, but not if you have the CPU power otherwise |
| [22:34:01] | hadees: | just been hard to pick something for the bedroom |
| [22:34:01] | wagnerrp: | plus youll need that chainsaw, for when the zombies come |
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| [22:34:43] | meshe: | we occasionally do the "live tv" thing so vdpau is out for us |
| [22:34:50] | iamlindoro_: | Heh, I note nobody has looked at VDPAU aspect ratio auto detection since it ate kormoc's GPU |
| [22:35:32] | hadees: | iamlindoro, really? how can it eat his GPU? what happened? too much heat or something else? |
| [22:35:57] | wagnerrp: | hadees: somehow, something seems to have overwritten itself into the rom |
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| [22:36:14] | hadees: | that is crazy |
| [22:36:16] | kormoc: | hadees, http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=124297 |
| [22:36:39] | iamlindoro_: | kormoc: Have that on a macro now? ;) |
| [22:37:10] | kormoc: | heh, it's the first google result for 'VDPAU persistant' :) |
| [22:38:29] | iamlindoro_: | It's what I've been wailing about when people do things like backports, but nobody seems to care so... Well, I'll pretty much continue to wail, actually |
| [22:39:37] | kormoc: | I keep meaning to finish and commit it in, but the bloody backend is so much in flux, it's relearning every week or two |
| [22:39:42] | iamlindoro_: | But in truth, ION should work *great* for someone who wants to feed it nothing but material that is directly ripped from Blu ray or HD-DVD as that will be strict, uncorrupted Profile 4.1 stuff |
| [22:39:46] | meshe: | probably a good idea to avoid a $300 video card and vdpau for now ;) |
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| [22:40:18] | iamlindoro_: | But if you have a broadcast source that's even *sometimes* wonky, and you can't stand major corruption, then you might end up frustrated |
| [22:40:20] | hadees: | iamlindoro, do you know whats up with mythtubes? |
| [22:40:28] | iamlindoro_: | hadees: I've divorced it |
| [22:40:37] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, hdpvr material should be solid, no? |
| [22:40:57] | hadees: | iamlindoro, for mythvodka ;) |
| [22:40:59] | iamlindoro_: | hadees: I fixed it like 12 times, then I fixed it compiling another time and sent my stuff to alvaro and told him about the segfaults, and haven't heard from him since |
| [22:41:05] | iamlindoro_: | hadees: Ew, no |
| [22:41:11] | iamlindoro_: | kormoc: Yeah, I would think that should be great |
| [22:41:29] | iamlindoro_: | kormoc: Oooh, and you have fancy FIOS now so you'll have nice bitrate source material |
| [22:41:36] | kormoc: | Aye :) |
| [22:41:38] | kormoc: | that's the plan |
| [22:41:51] | iamlindoro_: | kormoc: Now get cracking on commercial cutting h.264 |
| [22:41:53] | iamlindoro_: | ;) |
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| [22:42:09] | ** kormoc laughs and wonders what hardware he'll kill playing with that ** | |
| [22:42:31] | iamlindoro_: | I keep meaning to rig up a "find the closest keyframe to the cutpoint and copy the byte ranges to a new file" thing to do that |
| [22:42:53] | iamlindoro_: | not the "re-encode around the cutpoints" niceties of MPEG-2 cutting, but it should work nicely |
| [22:43:14] | iamlindoro_: | or if not nicely, adequately :) |
| [22:46:33] | adante: | sponk |
| [22:47:12] | test3: | pfff, that linHES isn't very user-friendly ... |
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| [22:49:30] | gbee: | I'd really like lossless transcoding of h.264 :/ |
| [22:50:31] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: Even if it's only keyframe-accurate? |
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| [22:51:14] | gbee: | well I'd prefer frame accurate, but keyframe accuracy would be a start |
| [22:51:55] | iamlindoro_: | keyframe accuracy should be doable fairly easily-- although certainly a stretch given my "abilities" |
| [22:53:04] | iamlindoro_: | I don't think anyone is totally sure our h.264 parser is giving out accurate values for keyframes |
| [22:53:16] | iamlindoro_: | but it seems there might be some goodness in the next ffmpeg resync that might help |
| [22:55:36] | gbee: | finding myself on the opposite side, asking for help in a dev list and hoping that I'm going to get a friendly reply :/ |
| [22:56:10] | iamlindoro_: | Depends on whose dev list I guess :) |
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| [22:58:31] | janneg: | iamlindoro_: depends on the definition of keyframes, current marked keyframes are good for seeking and playback but for most streams wrong |
| [22:58:57] | janneg: | in the sense that frames marked as keyframes aren't keyframes |
| [23:00:11] | janneg: | OTOH certain DVB h264 would end up without keyframes if we were marking keyframes strictly/correctly |
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| [23:09:16] | jarle: | How can I have a show recorded any time on any channel, but avoid it being recorded on two channels at the same time (the two channels have almost the same listings)? |
| [23:10:07] | wagnerrp: | no such rule, you have to make exceptions to individual shows |
| [23:10:32] | wagnerrp: | who is your listings provider? |
| [23:11:32] | gbee: | jarle: same description and or subtitle? |
| [23:12:13] | jarle: | wagnerrp: I found my way around it by only recording one show each week, I'll see how that works out... |
| [23:12:19] | gbee: | you can play with the duplicate matching methods for that schedule, whether it will achieve anything depends on the quality of the listings data |
| [23:12:47] | jarle: | gbee: one channel is xmltv and one is dvb-epg so the description is different.. |
| [23:12:47] | wagnerrp: | i have to believe you would rather record one channel over the other |
| [23:13:13] | wagnerrp: | one is analog, the other is digital? |
| [23:13:14] | gbee: | if the two channels were identical – say same content on two different networks, then what you'd want to do is give them the same callsign |
| [23:13:34] | jarle: | wagnerrp: I can record either one, no problem.. |
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| [23:13:50] | gbee: | then myth would see then as the same channel and only record the one showing |
| [23:14:07] | jarle: | wagnerrp: the two channels is identical, except one carries local news |
| [23:14:46] | gbee: | jarle: in that case, since I'd guess you are unlikely to record the new, change the callsign on one so that that they are both the same |
| [23:14:51] | gbee: | news |
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| [23:15:17] | JEDIDIAH__: | a data scrubber would be a nice contrib script. I have 2 SD sources and one of them is crap for certain channels. |
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| [23:16:00] | jarle: | gbee: actually I record the news each day :) that is the most important part of the channel, but I think the record once weekly rule will suffice for now.. |
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| [23:16:35] | JEDIDIAH__: | one is cable and the other is OTA |
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| [23:24:46] | iamlindoro: | http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showpost.php? . . . postcount=61 |
| [23:24:52] | iamlindoro: | Heh, can you say "backpedaling?" |
| [23:25:09] | iamlindoro: | "Oh, that driver we called stable? You misunderstood." |
| [23:25:25] | iamlindoro: | "that was our pre-stable non beta driver" |
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| [23:26:49] | clever: | oops |
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