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Tuesday, March 3rd, 2009, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:03] thedarkone: i do i have envy ones installed
[00:01:12] mzb_d800: thedarkone: for whatever reason, X is failing to load the nvidia drivers and falling back to VESA ... uninstall the ones you've got, uninstall envy and then install the nvidia drivers from nvidia.com
[00:03:04] mzb_d800: iirc, envy was updated and renamed (envyII ?) ... not sure if it's still even the preferred choice ... drivers from nvidia.com should work but won't be automatically updated if|when your kernel is
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[00:04:29] mzb_d800: EnvyNG
[00:04:56] mzb_d800: and that's probably out of date
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[00:07:17] mzb_d800: if you install the driver from nvidia.com, then reboot and still have no joy then come back and paste your xorg.conf & Xorg.log
[00:07:40] thedarkone: well i got it to work
[00:07:55] thedarkone: it was a 1280x768
[00:08:04] thedarkone: 1366x768 no workie
[00:08:15] mzb_d800: and that's probably in VESA mode ... you're not listening
[00:09:01] thedarkone: well it was in vesa mode because xconf was wacked
[00:09:21] mzb_d800: you will need the nvidia drivers (in some form) to get playback working correctly
[00:09:32] thedarkone: it loads nvidia drivers now
[00:09:35] thedarkone: (II) NVIDIA(0): Setting mode "1024x768_87i"
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[00:10:18] mzb_d800: heh, yeah: oops: #
[00:10:19] mzb_d800: (++) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf.failsafe"
[00:10:43] thedarkone: lol
[00:11:16] mzb_d800: but my advice stands, installing the nvidia drivers would have fixed that anyway
[00:11:25] meshe: did you try nividia-settings It detected my tv properly over vga at 1366x768
[00:11:53] thedarkone: it works fine now
[00:12:07] thedarkone: i used my old projector config
[00:12:14] mzb_d800: but not at native res?
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[00:15:32] mattwire: am i being daft, I can't seem to find the cd writing screens in mythmusic
[00:17:05] mzb_d800: thedarkone: it's also doing interlaced instead of progressive
[00:17:55] mzb_d800: you may need to specify 'Option "UseEDID" "FALSE"' in your device section (depending on your Xorg.log) and other magic incarnations
[00:18:23] mzb_d800: (this is partly/probably due to using VGA rather than DVI;))
[00:20:42] mzb_d800: mattwire: CD/DVD in the main menu?
[00:22:30] mattwire: mzb_d800: that's only for cd ripping
[00:25:04] mzb_d800: mytharchive?
[00:26:47] mattwire: mzb_d800: thanks, but I can make guesses for myself...
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[00:33:05] mzb_d800: np, guess away
[00:33:18] mzb_d800: ps: I wasn't aware of an option to burn from within mythmusic, but ymmv
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[00:44:16] Shadow__X: anyone here use a mac?
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[00:46:04] Sparks||: How well does MythTV work using dial up internet to obtain schedules?
[00:46:13] Shadow__X: hmm
[00:46:27] Shadow__X: time to upgradE?
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[00:47:39] J-e-f-f-A: What's dial-up?  ;-)
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[00:47:47] Sparks||: can't upgrade, not worth price
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[00:49:20] tanderson: Sparks||: fairly well, I used to use mythtv with dialup
[00:49:30] cesman: as long as you have a connection to the internet, it will work
[00:49:36] tanderson: Sparks||: it takes ~3–4 minutes to run a mythfilldatabase
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[00:52:16] Sparks||: What features would I be missing out by only connecting to Interent to run Mythfilldatabase?
[00:52:43] Sparks||: I have access to broadband at work, is it possible to download and import via flash drive?
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[00:54:23] sphery: Sparks||: Where in the world? If the US, dial up would work fine.
[00:56:29] Sparks||: Yes, US. But given all the features of mythtv I was just curious if any thing won't work they way it was intended w/o a dedicated connection
[00:58:13] GreyFoxx: just stuff like grabing video metadata (movie posters and such)
[00:58:16] iamlindoro: You'd be missing out on metadata download in Mythvideo
[00:58:17] sphery: Sparks||: You can do it with at-work download and import the file into Myth, but it's a lot more work. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/328813#328813
[00:58:21] iamlindoro: gah, curse your quick fingers
[00:58:21] GreyFoxx: but nothing required for recording or video playback
[00:59:55] sphery: Sparks||: I'd just set it up so that you either a) run a script which connects to dial-up and then runs mythfilldatabase as your "mythfilldatabase Program" or b) don't have myth run mythfilldatabase for you and occasionally when connected to dial up, run mythfilldatabase manually from the command line
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[01:00:16] Shadow__X: iamlindoro: do you know macs?
[01:00:18] sphery: as the others said, you won't need Internet for anything else
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[01:00:47] iamlindoro: Shadow__X, yes, why?
[01:01:08] Shadow__X: could you help me with a smb issue
[01:01:20] Sparks||: Alright, thanks
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[01:01:30] iamlindoro: That's better solved in one of the OS X channels, Shadow__X
[01:02:12] Shadow__X: ok
[01:03:34] iamlindoro: ##mac is probably the right starting point
[01:03:44] iamlindoro: sorry, a little distracted at the moment too
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[01:05:25] Shadow__X: thanks sorry to interrupt
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[01:06:46] iamlindoro: no interruption, just explaining why you're not getting full attention
[01:06:53] iamlindoro: (not trying to be curt)
[01:07:30] iamlindoro: afp548.com and their irc channel are *great* Mac OS X Server resources
[01:08:08] Dr^Mouse: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!
[01:08:48] Dr^Mouse: ok... I am starting to hit a brick wall here.
[01:10:29] ** Dr^Mouse wishes he had realised that his mysql backups were going into /tmp, which he has set to be cleared on reboot... **
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[01:44:46] Dr^Mouse: right, you can all stop worrying about me going on a killing spree
[01:44:59] ** Dr^Mouse is an idiot **
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[01:46:25] Dr^Mouse: just so you know, setting up a dummy tuner in order to link your videos into your recordings without restarting your backend before performing an upgrade of distribution will cause some heartache
[01:47:20] ** Dr^Mouse is going to bed now to contemplate removing his dna from the human genepool **
[01:47:30] Dr^Mouse: how could i be so stupid!?!
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[01:48:43] Dr^Mouse: see yall later, if i decide not to top myself for being such a stupid arse and wasting hours
[01:49:12] Dr^Mouse: and i appologise for wasting everone on heres time aswell
[01:49:20] Dr^Mouse: g'night all
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[02:21:47] nixfu_: Q: Is there a way to require "live tv" to require a PIN/password?
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[02:22:16] J-e-f-f-A: nixfu_: just remove it from the menu if you don't want it to be used...
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[02:36:17] iamlindoro: I guess he thought it was like google where the magic internets give you an answer within seconds
[02:39:14] J-e-f-f-A: iamlindoro: So he left before my answer? (I have join/part msgs hidden, so I didn't notice if that's the case...) ;-)
[02:39:30] iamlindoro: looks like at almost the exact same time
[02:39:45] iamlindoro: either way, impressive display of patience
[02:43:24] J-e-f-f-A: No kidding...  ;-)
[03:05:56] J-e-f-f-A: Nice... Playing back 24 in HD (ATSC MPEG2) using vdpau – only 5% cpu utilization... ;-) (Now to find an H.264 clip to try out.... ;-) )
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[04:02:51] reeeeeesty: why would a tuner card interfer with starting X?
[04:03:05] reeeeeesty: i just installed it and X wont start.... So i thought I fried my GPU. But then i took the tuner card out... and my computer worked agian.
[04:03:30] cesman: tuner is interfering w/ video card
[04:03:32] wagnerrp: the tuner card caused the board to re-arrange the ids of the devices
[04:03:37] cesman: try tuner in another slot
[04:03:47] wagnerrp: so the PCI ID listed in your xorg.conf is now wrong
[04:04:04] wagnerrp: use lspci to figure out the correct ID
[04:04:46] reeeeeesty: so are you saying.... when i put my tuner card in.
[04:04:51] reeeeeesty: it changed my video cards id?
[04:05:12] wagnerrp: correct
[04:05:35] reeeeeesty: hmm..
[04:05:44] wagnerrp: when you took it out, they re-arranged back to the original configuration
[04:06:00] reeeeeesty: oh.
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[04:06:31] reeeeeesty: so, if i reconfigured X when it was installed. it would work?
[04:06:48] reeeeeesty: or do i have to do something before i even reboot it when i install it
[04:06:53] reeeeeesty: edit the xorg.conf
[04:06:58] reeeeeesty: before i install it.
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[04:07:31] reeeeeesty: or would just trying another pci slot work?
[04:08:24] wagnerrp: do you not know how to use the terminal?
[04:08:36] reeeeeesty: yeah. sorry, haha.
[04:08:41] mchou: reeeeeesty: what kind of tuner card is this?
[04:08:51] reeeeeesty: hauppauge hvr 1600
[04:08:54] mchou: lol
[04:09:09] reeeeeesty: lol what
[04:09:15] mchou: reboot with the parameter vmalloc=256M
[04:09:27] mchou: nothing to do with your slots
[04:09:41] reeeeeesty: what will that do?
[04:10:14] mchou: allocate appropriate amt of memory for drivers
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[04:11:20] reeeeeesty: how do i reboot with reboot with that parameter?
[04:11:22] mchou: put that parameter in your boot loader
[04:11:32] reeeeeesty: with that paramater*
[04:12:16] mchou: that depends on which boot loader you're using.
[04:12:40] mchou: rad the docs that came with your distro
[04:12:45] mchou: read*
[04:15:10] mchou: actuall the exact kernel parameter would be 'vmalloc=256MB'
[04:15:23] mchou: not M
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[04:17:08] reeeeeesty: oh
[04:17:13] reeeeeesty: so in GRUB?
[04:17:58] cesman: if GRUB is your bootloader
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[05:10:46] Lexridge: Is it possible to control mythfrontend via RS232?
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[05:11:15] regicide666_: I had wanted to get data for some dvb stations from QAM but it did not work and am wondering if I ad the xmltv id of the station from my digital cable listings to the station from mythweb if it will use that data?
[05:11:42] Lexridge: regicide666_ try it and see.
[05:11:54] Lexridge: My guess is it would work.
[05:14:27] regicide666_: it did not show at first so i am running mythfilldatabase to see if that changes things
[05:15:57] Lexridge: you will certainly need to do that.
[05:17:03] Lexridge: don't make the same mistake I did at first and use the call letters for the xmltvid. It's the number you see while hovering your mouse over the channel in SD.
[05:18:55] regicide666_: do you use mythvodka?
[05:19:22] Lexridge: I've not heard of it.
[05:19:48] Lexridge: what's it do?
[05:19:55] regicide666_: I guess it is for hulu in the us and the bbc thing for streaming
[05:20:19] regicide666_: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythStreams
[05:20:19] Lexridge: cool. I'll google for it.
[05:20:28] Lexridge: thanks
[05:20:57] regicide666_: I went to use it like 30 minutes ago and it still says updateing listings
[05:21:41] regicide666_: I did not know what it was but I just installed LinHES wich is the new knoppmyth and it was built in
[05:22:20] Lexridge: MythVodka is still updating listings?
[05:22:59] regicide666_: yeah it takes forever I guess
[05:23:40] Lexridge: so it would seem. Perhaps you will end up with an amazing about of watchable content. ;)
[05:23:42] regicide666_: I was reading that some people set it up to run as a cron job so it doesn't update when you start it but I had no idea
[05:23:48] Lexridge: about=amount
[05:28:01] Lexridge: The file I keep getting using the wget command to grab mythvodka keeps giving me a bad file. :(
[05:30:30] regicide666_: that sucks
[05:30:46] regicide666_: it crashed on me and my listings did not come up
[05:30:51] Lexridge: I got it finally.
[05:31:02] regicide666_: for qam or the vodka thing
[05:31:06] Lexridge: wget does not work for this.
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[05:41:03] Lexridge: vodka, but I cannot get it to build. It's default paths are no where close to mine.
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[06:16:45] justinh: ahh 3rd party plugins :P
[06:24:31] ** justinh is busy re-imagining 'Sliders' where the main protagonist is a guy who just bought a hybrid tuner card and is constantly seeking a dimension where analogue will 'just work' **
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[06:32:43] stuarta: ugg
[06:32:50] stuarta: wtf am i doing up at this time
[06:33:19] Batshua: Hey, uhm. I have a SA 3250 to which I am connected via FireWire. I am getting no channel lock or only a partial lock on many, if not most channels even with 100% signal. I have played around with the 3250, 4200, and 4250 drivers, none of which work to resolve this problem. What should I be doing to troubleshoot at this stage?
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[07:22:43] justinh: morning stuarta
[07:23:10] justinh: didn't wake up at stupid o' clock for a change. Just seconds before my alarm went off :)
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[07:28:59] stuarta: justinh: morning, found i had a recording that didn't work on the weekend
[07:29:12] stuarta: like a zero byte recording, except there was no file :(
[07:29:19] justinh: eew
[07:29:50] stuarta: luckily it was only the scotland v italy game
[07:30:16] justinh: I've been keeping a close watch on my swap space. My backend machine ran out of it completely last week & got very unresponsive. It wasn't even updating the time
[07:30:34] stuarta: ugh
[07:30:47] stuarta: that's why i graph the backend mem usage on my machine
[07:30:57] justinh: think (Hope) it was a combination of stray processes freenx was leaving lying around & a bunch of packages (like 300 or so) needed updates
[07:31:30] justinh: prolly not enough to install ubunuts from CD & not get it up to date ASAP
[07:31:53] justinh: seems much more responsive than it was when I first installed it, overall
[07:32:33] justinh: I toyed with graphing once upon a time. Maybe I should look at it again
[07:32:53] justinh: though a text message alert system would probably work better for me ;)
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[07:34:05] wagnerrp: warning... warning... your system is eating itself...
[07:34:43] justinh: I keep meaning to pinch the RAM out of my old dev box & put it in my backend but something else comes up
[07:35:02] justinh: it's getting by with 512 but could really do with double that
[07:35:45] justinh: more realistically it could do with being a new machine but I'd be looking for suitable motherboards from now until Christmas
[07:37:41] justinh: ahhh Gigabyte 7VT, with your 5 PCI slots. We'll never see the likes again
[07:38:35] stuarta: i've only 768Mb of RAM in my prod backend
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[07:39:26] justinh: if I didn't continually abuse it as a remote desktop machine installing & removing apps on a whim...
[07:40:20] justinh: I should probably take out the debian multimedia apt sources too, and build ffmpeg from scratch like a good boy
[07:41:17] justinh: ruh? looks like I never even had those in. Heh
[07:42:50] justinh: so erm.. wonder how my dvbradioexport script has been working since I upgraded, then...
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[07:44:17] justinh: heh. apparently this ubuntu version of ffmpeg has mp3 encoding built in. wtf?!
[07:46:10] justinh: I need to start keeping my bash logs indefinitely
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[08:06:11] ccfreak2k: justinh, I have an ASUS board with six.
[08:07:30] wagnerrp: ccfreak2k: hes implying that you will never find a board with large amounts of PCI slots again (since they are being replaced by PCIe)
[08:08:15] ccfreak2k: So they'll be replaced with large amounts of PCI-E slots?
[08:08:20] justinh: good grief. none of my local colleges are doing c++ night classes at all :(
[08:08:59] justinh: COBOL. Check. TACL.. check. Java. Check. C# & .NET.. sure!
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[08:09:27] ccfreak2k: Is mythtv capable of mounting optical media and playing videos from it (not DVDs/VCDs) like it plays videos from local or remote storage?
[08:12:05] justinh: yes. if configured correctly
[08:13:24] justinh: make a subdir in your video directory linked to your automount point :)
[08:13:38] justinh: set mythvideo to browse files.. that should do it
[08:14:08] ccfreak2k: Yeah, I thought that's what you'd say.
[08:14:16] justinh: so?
[08:14:27] ccfreak2k: So buttons.
[08:15:13] justinh: buttons?
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[08:17:19] justinh: if you want something to play all your leet d0wnl0@dz try XBMC
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[08:20:54] ccfreak2k: I already use mplayer to play my leet d0wnl0@dz.
[08:22:13] ccfreak2k: If HAL works without KDE running, I could use the symbolic link idea and still be able to have automounting.
[08:23:34] justinh: effing chuff. learndirect is really as bad as I thought it'd be. ECDL is about as advanced as they go. Meh
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[08:27:24] justinh: ah. I should try the local universities & see what they offer :)
[08:28:24] justinh: hrm, only full-time. Bah & double bah
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[08:55:43] justinh: hahahah http://tinyurl.com/ddl2xh
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[08:57:25] wagnerrp: thats absolutely terrible... who puts spaces in web links
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[08:59:44] ** Batshua is off for sleep. **
[08:59:55] ariscop: i'm having trouble getting my dvb-s2 card going, anyone able to help?
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[09:00:31] ariscop: hello?
[09:00:44] justinh: is it me you're looking for?
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[09:01:20] ariscop: i have been trying for ages, has anyone else got a dvb-s2 card going
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[09:03:07] wagnerrp: justinh: it has been 37 seconds, why have you not responded?
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[09:03:35] ** justinh is too busy being disappointed by the lack of worthy computing courses at local colleges **
[09:04:07] justinh: looks like it's back to my old teacher. He's useless & very lazy. ME
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[09:04:34] wagnerrp: the intro to c++ class they gave us was worthless
[09:04:52] wagnerrp: 10 weeks of classes amounted to as much as i would learn in a day and a half with a decent book
[09:05:08] wagnerrp: and this was for engineering no less
[09:05:25] justinh: I have a book, but it's boring as hell
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[09:05:46] wagnerrp: and a class will be so much more interesting?
[09:06:03] justinh: gets me out of the house :)
[09:06:30] wagnerrp: you have no panera/starbucks type places?
[09:06:33] wagnerrp: or even a library?
[09:07:03] justinh: library closes at 5.30 ish
[09:07:31] wagnerrp: go to a pub, drink the programming in
[09:10:18] justinh: I don't wear tracksuits, so tend to look out of place in my local
[09:11:10] wagnerrp: well the book would probably be a bit off too
[09:11:17] wagnerrp: laptop even more so
[09:12:07] justinh: oh, I wouldn't have the laptop for long in my local, don't worry about that :P
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[09:18:45] justinh: pfft. the busybodies who work here are funny. Or they think they are. This year.. do something funny for Comic Relief. "wear red to work". Hilarious
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[09:23:30] gbee: which raises money how?
[09:23:53] justinh: you (hilariously) wear something red & pay a 'fine'
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[09:28:30] jduggan: hilarious!
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[09:42:05] justinh: oo. Finally found a copy of the service manual for my AV receiver. maybe now I'll be able to tell wth that funny ribbon cable socket on the back is for :)
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[09:51:41] patspam: some help please.. i'm trying to adjust livetv quality settings (in Recording Profiles) but nothing i change seems to have any effect
[09:53:23] justinh: using a digital tuner?
[09:53:36] patspam: dvb-t
[09:53:41] ** gbee smiles **
[09:54:00] gbee: you can't change the quality of digital, you get what they send you
[09:54:18] ** patspam slaps head **
[09:54:27] patspam: well that would explain it :)
[09:55:10] patspam: but then.. if my frontend is struggling to keep up with bitrate, is there nothing I can do to scale down the quality?
[09:56:21] justinh: time to get a better frontend then :)
[09:56:54] gbee: you can transcode after the fact, but that won't help with livetv – transcoding can't currently be done in real-time
[09:57:00] justinh: you could always transcode recordings down but I always figured there'd be a time when you become frustrated at having to wait for recordings to finish transcoding
[09:57:08] patspam: yeah
[09:57:22] gbee: even if it could, it would increase channel change times etc by a factor of 2 I'd estimate
[09:57:44] patspam: it's an xbox, would have thought it would be ok
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[09:58:15] justinh: under linux?
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[09:58:23] justinh: they're not very good as frontends
[09:58:37] patspam: native myth:// protocol in xbmc
[09:58:38] justinh: noisy, fugly, slow as hell to boot up
[09:58:51] gbee: ahh, well blame XBMC then
[09:58:59] justinh: ah. XBMC has been sucky since they went 'cross platform'
[09:59:10] patspam: damn, i thought you guys might say that :)
[09:59:17] justinh: they've lost their way, trying to be all things to all men
[10:00:30] justinh: I used an xbox as a frontend for a couple of weeks. it had to go
[10:00:33] gbee: and trying to re-invent the wheel rather than contributing their time to existing products ... the whole division of labour argument
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[10:01:19] patspam: justinh: was it crappy under linux too?
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[10:01:45] justinh: even more crappy under linux
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[10:01:52] patspam: dayem..
[10:01:57] gbee: 750Mhz cpu is limiting
[10:02:06] justinh: it's more its lack of ram
[10:02:19] justinh: 32MB usable or whatever. yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeuuuuuuuuch
[10:02:33] justinh: 64MB, 32 of which goes to the GPU IIRC
[10:03:10] gbee: patspam: under linux it doesn't have access to the hardware which really drives the XBox IIRC, all proprietary stuff with no linux drivers
[10:03:50] justinh: it's fast enough to play SDTV, but the mythtv gui etc is slow as hell due to the lack of ram
[10:03:58] jduggan: dont you just love house inspections
[10:03:59] jduggan: :|
[10:04:39] patspam: i can't even do SDTV at this stage
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[10:12:06] stuarta: hmmmm, pantera isn't heavy enough for my mood :-/
[10:12:55] jduggan: rammstein!
[10:12:58] jduggan: :o
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[10:15:19] stuarta: still not heavy enough
[10:15:28] jduggan: cradle of filth
[10:15:44] stuarta: was going to go for an old Sydney band Damaged
[10:16:07] stuarta: guess you'd call it grindcore
[10:16:39] stuarta: ahahahahahah!!!!
[10:18:16] Dibblah: Ah, another fire and forget ticket. :(
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[11:10:06] justinh: heh. the Tardis is going to be redesigned for HD with a new 'high tech' look. So does that mean the levers & dials of the steam age are going bye byes? :P
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[11:11:14] Dibblah: No, it means the paper-mache sets are being replaced with moulded plastic.
[11:12:03] stuarta: what's wrong with timber...
[11:12:07] justinh: hey, somebody made folks offers they didn't refuse. Nice one :)
[11:12:50] justinh: er.. people were made offers they didn't refuse. meh. frazzled
[11:33:51] justinh: stuarta: apparently blutac shows up on HDTV
[11:35:56] stuarta: which begs the eternal question of HD, why would you make pr0n in HD
[11:36:36] justinh: better than making it for youtube :P
[11:38:11] justinh: but you have a point of course, now 3D is on the horizon. Why bother with HD when you have 3D? :P
[11:40:16] sid3windr: DDD? :p
[11:42:56] Dibblah: justinh: How's your chainsaw wielding action going?
[11:43:17] justinh: failed clutch stops play
[11:43:42] Dibblah: Glue fixes clutch. Play on!
[11:43:43] Dibblah: ;)
[11:44:24] justinh: not even worth trying that one
[11:45:17] justinh: no glue in the world good enough to hold plastic onto metal for long
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[11:47:02] stuarta: good old itv
[11:47:37] justinh: hmmm. could always drill the shaft & stick a pin in
[11:47:58] justinh: tide me over til I buy a new clutch
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[11:48:24] Dibblah: Iff the motor's underpowered, it's not too bad. However....
[11:48:35] justinh: 1400Watt motor
[11:49:01] justinh: it didn't take much to stall the motor before
[11:49:22] justinh: what the hell, if it gets me a bit more use out of it :)
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[11:54:32] stuarta: what's the difference between itv4 and itv4+1
[11:54:34] stuarta: same logo
[11:54:44] stuarta: just a crap little +1 in the RH corner
[11:55:24] justinh: death to the +1 channels!
[11:55:37] stuarta: good for the scheduler
[11:56:24] justinh: is there anything worth watching on channels which have +1 variants? :-O
[11:56:49] stuarta: itv has a bit of sci-fi
[11:56:57] stuarta: film4
[12:02:22] justinh: heh. only ever recorded 16 things from film4. ever
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[12:02:53] stuarta: i quite like
[12:02:54] stuarta: it
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[12:09:16] EvilGuru: Film4 is quite nice as you often get the right aspect ratio
[12:11:58] gbee: yeah, with heavy cropping :(
[12:12:26] gbee: quite regularly record from Film 4
[12:17:40] justinh: sad state of affairs when your most frequently recorded channel is ITV1 :(
[12:19:10] gbee: probably my least recorded channel – of those I record from, so excluding all the shopping/junk channels
[12:20:12] justinh: well, with any luck they'll go bust soon :)
[12:20:31] justinh: sell the soaps off to Sky
[12:20:51] jduggan: no way
[12:20:58] jduggan: dont make me pay sky for corrie orrie
[12:20:59] jduggan: :S
[12:21:09] justinh: that should make more time available for cerebral programming in my house :)
[12:21:24] justinh: jduggan: "It's me or the soaps" ?
[12:21:37] jduggan: heh
[12:22:19] justinh: my wife professes she finds all the soaps tedious, yet still has to watch every fscking one that gets recorded
[12:22:50] justinh: "oh I could stop watching them if I wanted to". Yeah. Right after you quit using smack
[12:23:55] justinh: still, better she be a soap fan than one of those pseudo intellectuals who talk about poetry all day
[12:23:56] gbee: 0.22 release notes need updating
[12:24:33] justinh: I bet
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[13:07:53] Dibblah: Why on earth do people like the matroska container?
[13:09:15] justinh: because leet d0wnl0@dz come in it?
[13:09:16] gbee: because it's the one that all those free movies come in?
[13:11:18] Dibblah: Yeah, but "audio sync drifts when transcoding into mkv" – ....
[13:11:29] Dibblah: I can think of a good suggestion to solve that.
[13:15:46] AndyCap: Doctor, it hurts when I do this
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[13:16:11] justinh: maybe he was getting negative comments on piratebay or something
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[13:19:51] jduggan: heh
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[13:26:58] GreyFoxx: Dibblah: Better indexing to avoid timesync problems unlike the shitty avi, embedded metadata, embeddd cover images, and avariety of other stuff. All of which make it abetter choice than avi
[13:27:05] GreyFoxx: not to say it's best out there
[13:27:11] GreyFoxx: but hell of a lot better than the avi standard
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[13:27:53] justinh: anyway, if a/v sync drifts I doubt it's the container's fault
[13:28:22] justinh: crap in == crap out
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[13:34:10] flexmat: Bonjour a tous!
[13:34:35] flexmat: J'aimerais savoir si quelqu'un pourrait m'aider a configurer ma télécommande PCTV?
[13:36:22] justinh: hm. ou est #mythtv-francais ? :P
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[13:36:50] test3: it's emptyy !!!
[13:36:51] test3: lol
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[13:37:56] test3: ( #mythtv-fr)
[13:38:49] justinh: flexmat: there is no French speaking MythTV IRC channel as far as I know.
[13:40:27] gbee: isn't the PCTV remote an MCE clone?
[13:41:27] gbee: flexmat: maybe – http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp . . . en&tl=fr
[13:41:59] gbee: sorry but I don't speak french half as well I can read it
[13:42:02] flexmat: It's PCTV
[13:42:21] flexmat: I speak a little english ;-)
[13:42:32] justinh: oh I understood the question but this is an English based IRC channel last time I looked
[13:42:47] justinh: and I don't take kindly to uninvited private MSGs
[13:42:49] gbee: http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp . . . en&tl=fr
[13:42:56] gbee: ?
[13:44:04] Dibblah: Heh. Translating a technical page with an automated tool... Not generally going to go well ;)
[13:44:39] flexmat: gbee:My model is 1069
[13:45:05] justinh: anyway,I thought lirc had their own IRC channel
[13:45:15] gbee: well given how well it worked on a Chinese technical marketing blurb the other week, I figured it was worth a shot
[13:45:47] gbee: you guys should rename this channel to #mythtv-users-en
[13:45:52] justinh: this place is the dumping ground for anybody with vaguely tv-related problems :(
[13:45:57] flexmat: bbee:??
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[13:46:09] test3: hum..
[13:47:24] Dibblah: #mythtv-yes-I-have-read-the-manual-in-full-and-agree-to-do-my-own-research?
[13:47:30] flexmat: gbee: U can help me?
[13:47:53] Dibblah: flexmat: Without you stating your problem, no.
[13:49:02] test3: sry justinh.. i thought u (or iamlindoro) could help my french collegue ..
[13:49:35] test3: flexmat: find lirc irc channel
[13:49:39] Dibblah: Ah, the trouble with popularity :)
[13:49:45] test3: :)
[13:49:56] justinh: they'll be back, when they don't get an answer within 5 seconds
[13:50:57] test3: :) well .. i leave, as i cannot take the risk of being written in any ignore list ;)
[13:51:00] test3: bye
[13:51:13] justinh: ignore -replies *test*
[13:51:26] test3: ooops
[13:51:55] test3: cu  :)
[13:51:57] test3: peace
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[13:53:55] Dibblah: Heh. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=no2_M_b059g&NR=1
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[14:01:10] justinh: anyway how the ***k am I getting namechecked around here?
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[14:08:45] flexmat: I explain my problem with my remote on this page:http://rafb.net/p/0yvFKM15.html
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[14:09:12] flexmat: If somebody can i help,i will so happy!
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[14:11:21] Dibblah: flexmat: irexec doesn't do anything on it's own. You need a lircrc.
[14:11:49] Dibblah: flexmat: Look in the mythtv manual. It shows you how to set this up.
[14:12:22] flexmat: You didn't see at the end of my post?i had make a .lircrc
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[14:15:37] Dibblah: flexmat: Again, read the manual. You don't need irexec and your lircrc needs to be in the correct place.
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[14:16:53] flexmat: Thanks you very much for your help but the installation of my remote was or great or not?
[14:17:39] tank-man: flexmat, i use this line to start my irexec, compare it to yours
[14:17:46] tank-man: irexec -d ~/.lircrc
[14:17:50] flexmat: Can i test my remote with command line?
[14:19:14] tank-man: i also use kde and have a *.desktop file in my ~/.kde/Autostart/ to run my irexec shell script
[14:19:25] tank-man: not a sym link
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[14:21:19] flexmat: I'm not an expert with opensuse but i can see in kde autostart :script file>command>/usr/bin/irexec
[14:22:30] flexmat: is that great?
[14:22:43] tank-man: i think i went to the kde autostart directory in konqurorer and right clicked to make a shortcut to irexec script i made
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[14:26:38] flexmat: linux-9pg3:/home/flexmat/.kde4/Autostart # ls
[14:26:40] flexmat: irexec irexec -d%20 ~⁄.lircrc.desktop
[14:27:09] flexmat: is that great?
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[14:27:39] flexmat: (It's very difficult to configure a remote on opensuse ;-) !)
[14:28:48] flexmat: Nobody can help me?
[14:29:17] pheld: flexmat: you're starting in the wrong place. irexec is a program that is used to execute commands/applications when hitting a button.
[14:29:40] pheld: What you want first is to make sure lircd is running and recognises your remote
[14:30:05] flexmat: How can i test that?
[14:30:05] tank-man: he is past the point where "mode2" can see the keypress and its ok
[14:30:15] flexmat: oki
[14:30:15] pheld: use the program "irw" in a terminal-window to verify that keypresses are registerer properly
[14:30:38] flexmat: linux-9pg3:/home/flexmat/.kde4/Autostart # irw
[14:30:39] flexmat: connect: Connection refused
[14:30:45] tank-man: flexmat, what options are you passing to the irexec command?
[14:31:28] flexmat: And i activate irexec with #irexec -d
[14:31:30] flexmat: $ cd .kde4/Autostart
[14:31:31] flexmat: $ ln -s /usr/bin/irexec
[14:32:05] tank-man: before the kde autostarting stuff, just see if it works from the terminal window first
[14:32:18] flexmat: why the connection was refused with irw?
[14:32:43] pheld: is lircd running? (ps ax | grep lirc)
[14:33:06] flexmat: linux-9pg3:/home/flexmat/.kde4/Autostart # ps ax | grep lirc
[14:33:07] flexmat: 6350 pts/1 S+ 0:00 grep lirc
[14:33:46] pheld: so no lircd. then it can't work
[14:33:57] flexmat: why?
[14:34:05] tank-man: he didnt start lircd
[14:34:23] flexmat: how i wan start lircd?
[14:34:46] flexmat: euh how i can start lircd?
[14:34:58] tank-man: just put a line in rc.local
[14:35:10] tank-man: depends on what distro you have
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[14:35:32] pheld: you have a script if it's a packaged version of lirc
[14:35:33] tank-man: you can start it just for the current session by typing it in the terminal window
[14:35:39] flexmat: it's the file .lircrc?
[14:35:53] pheld: try e.g. "/etc/init.d/lirc start"
[14:35:58] flexmat: i have opense 11.1 x64
[14:36:20] flexmat: linux-9pg3:/home/flexmat/.kde4/Autostart # /etc/init.d/lirc start
[14:36:21] flexmat: Starting lircd (/dev/lirc0)
[14:37:50] tank-man: now irw works?
[14:38:21] flexmat: The connection was always refused
[14:39:08] pheld: lircd wont run properly unless it finds a valid configfile for you remote
[14:40:41] flexmat: the problem is in hardware.conf , lircd.conf or both?
[14:40:46] tank-man: maybe lircd log file might be of some use (/var/log/lircd)
[14:42:11] pheld: for that remote you need REMOTE_DRIVER="pinsys" in /etc/lirc/hardware .conf
[14:42:16] flexmat: In /var/log/ i didn't have lircd
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[14:43:40] tank-man: heh, my lircd log grew to 2gigabytes
[14:43:41] flexmat: yeap i have pinsys for the driver ,/dev/lirc0 for device and lirc_mceusb2 for the module
[14:43:42] pheld: depends on suse log-setup, but many distros log lirc in /var/log/daemon
[14:45:01] flexmat: i didn't have daemon/
[14:45:14] flexmat: it's normal?
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[14:47:01] flexmat: i have kde 4.2
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[14:47:33] Dibblah: flexmat: Which bit of "follow the manual – it tells you how to do all this" is confusing? ;)
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[14:53:17] flexmat: Diddlah : on the manual there are only 8 lines and with this 8 lines i can't success to connect my remote
[14:53:58] tank-man: lirc manual? or a blog about the lirc manual ?
[14:54:11] flexmat: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MCE_Remote#openSUSE
[14:54:40] tank-man: try this link http://www.lirc.org/html/ for more info
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[14:55:25] tank-man: if the instructions from package maintainer is not clear, just go straight to the source
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[14:57:00] pheld: flexmat: is http://www.pinnaclesys.com/PublicSite/us/Prod . . . a+Center.htm your remote?
[14:57:53] flexmat: yeap it's my remote
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[15:01:49] flexmat: I don't want to disturb you but i have already yesterday to activate my remote and if i come into irc it's only to success to activate my remote and not for disturb you
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[15:13:23] JEDIDIAH__: any thoughts on the chips in the new Macs?
[15:14:28] EvilGuru: Which new macs?
[15:14:32] pheld: flexmat: there's a thread on ubuntuforums about this remote on several different systems (except suse) maybe there's something to pick up from it http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-929009.html
[15:15:44] flexmat: lol "lirc the horror" ;-)
[15:15:53] flexmat: thank you
[15:15:55] JEDIDIAH__: the new macs with nv9400M's in them.
[15:16:04] JEDIDIAH__: just saw the announcement on ars.
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[15:20:59] JEDIDIAH__: one of the old sony DLP's advertises some crazy resolution and the intel driver refuses to be told to ignore this stupidity. It was really starting to annoy me.
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[15:24:02] bobbob1016: Anyone hear of this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oax-gDYHVxU ? It basically streams off of usenet, not sure where to get it though. Doesn't look too well written too since he navigates to movie times, instead of just adding an option.
[15:25:39] GreyFoxx: You will never find it in any official myth repository
[15:26:00] ** iamlindoro swashes his buckle and waves his cutlass **
[15:26:43] poodyp: thar be booty off the port bow mateys
[15:26:53] ** stuarta connects iamlindoro's brain to his fingers **
[15:27:26] iamlindoro: stuarta, hrm?
[15:27:51] iamlindoro: It seemed more amusing than merely shouting "screw you, ya big pirate!"
[15:27:58] stuarta: look at you waving your cutlass about. people get locked up for that sort of malarky!
[15:28:03] stuarta: :)
[15:28:06] iamlindoro: heh
[15:28:49] iamlindoro: It's a *virtual* cutlass... and by the law of internet to real life proportions that makes it... carry the one.... approximately a spork
[15:29:22] clever: is it one of those sporks thats also part knife?
[15:29:23] iamlindoro: Just like all the internet tough guys actually have horrible acne problems and asthma
[15:29:24] EvilGuru: Oh dear, not this old chestnut again
[15:32:53] stuarta: w00t. new valgrind
[15:32:58] clever: nice
[15:34:41] bobbob1016: I still pay for TV service myself, I just prefer not going through all the re-encoding stuff, which is why I thought it was interesting.
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[15:35:43] iamlindoro: That doesn't make it any more legal
[15:35:56] iamlindoro: You can't download a copy just because you are capable of/did record it
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[15:37:16] bobbob1016: iamlindoro, I'll stop there I see where this is going.
[15:37:23] clever: isnt the rule that you can only dl one of equal or lesser quality?
[15:37:26] iamlindoro: sounds like a plan
[15:37:40] iamlindoro: clever, not in the US which is where both he and I are
[15:37:47] clever: canada here
[15:37:52] iamlindoro: maybe you canadians can, but that sounds like BS too
[15:38:23] clever: about the only american show i can remember downloading whole seasons of was stargate
[15:38:28] cesman: one would have to be drinking a lot of vodka to think it is ok ;)
[15:38:31] clever: and i now own all 10 seasons legaly on dvd
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[16:06:39] gumpert345: hey, did someone hear the news about new mac minis? mac mini +ssd +blu ray +mythbuntu do you think this is going to work?
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[16:08:17] janneg: are slot-in blu-ray drives available?
[16:08:26] sid3windr: there are now!
[16:08:34] sid3windr: buy a mac mini and demolish it :>
[16:10:39] gumpert345: they dont sell the minis with blu ray as far as I know
[16:12:43] poodyp: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . 6992%3A44472
[16:13:12] janneg: an external blu-ray drive might be an alternative. I somehow fail to see the point to buy an expensive mac mini and changing major components
[16:15:21] ruskie: janneg, just because they can tends to be sufficient reason for moste tinkereres and hackers...
[16:15:21] gumpert345: as there is no blu ray decoding for linux yet, you can use it as a mediaplayer, accessing your server stored blu ray movies ripped to hdd later on, when things get cheaper (ssd, blu ray drive) you can change the components
[16:17:42] gumpert345:
[16:19:50] gumpert345: janneg waf
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[16:29:44] AndyCap: gumpert345: you should be glad it's € and not £. Now kiss Steve's hand.
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[16:38:05] ** Dibblah would recommend looking at netbooting instead. **
[16:38:19] Dibblah: Exactly the same issue, of course – You can't swap.
[16:38:34] poodyp: who needs swap?
[16:38:37] Dibblah: So a better option is just laptop hard drives.
[16:38:52] Dibblah: poodyp: Most normal people.
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[16:40:31] stuarta: Dibblah: same physical size as a laptop drive
[16:40:36] poodyp: my backend is currently using precisely 552k of swap
[16:40:42] clever: ive got everything netbooting here and still need swap in each system
[16:40:43] stuarta: and 99quid for 64Gb SSD isn't tooo bad
[16:41:31] poodyp: and that's with all of 512 mb of ram
[16:41:36] Dibblah: Depends. As I said, using it for swap is a recipe for disaster.
[16:42:19] poodyp: of course also why would you want an SSD for a backend?
[16:42:49] janneg: probably not for the recordings
[16:43:09] stuarta: no, for the root/db etc disk
[16:43:32] stuarta: then you can spin down the recording drives and be quiet n low power when not recording/playing back
[16:43:40] janneg: I had my backend system on a fast usb stick for a couple of weeks
[16:43:44] poodyp: why?
[16:43:52] poodyp: my backend is sitting in a closet
[16:44:01] stuarta: i don't have any closets
[16:44:43] poodyp: even if it weren't it's still quiet enough that I have to check to see if it's actually on
[16:45:01] poodyp: fans make way more noise than any modern hard drive
[16:45:03] janneg: stuarta: is it used for something else? shutdown and automatic wakeup might be an alternative
[16:45:26] stuarta: hrm, i tend to check and schedule thing via mythweb often
[16:45:45] stuarta: the current backend is too old to support any useful shutdown stuff
[16:46:00] JEDIDIAH__: with multi-terabyte disks cheap and plentiful, the need for a BR player on any particular frontend is limited.
[16:46:10] stuarta: janneg: i might have to try that with the new box
[16:46:12] JEDIDIAH__: ...nevermind the whole "Linux can't handle the encryption part"
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[16:55:43] gumpert345: JEDIDIAH__ thats what Im talking about, thanks to slysoft, I can watch those movies on the server
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[17:45:11] cocoa117: hi, has anyone tried with 56Mbit wireless connection with Myth backend on a Xen VM and sharing MPEG2 file to PS3? Did anyone experience video stutter problem?
[17:45:48] stuarta: thats a recipe for stutter if ever i heard one
[17:46:44] tank-man: pretty specific there, is the sun in the sky too :)
[17:46:51] tank-man: i have similar setup but not in a vm
[17:47:03] tank-man: no stutter but can't smoothly ff/rwd
[17:47:30] cocoa117: tank-man: how big is your mpeg2 file?
[17:47:42] cocoa117: I got some recording size about 2GiB
[17:48:01] tank-man: maybe 2600kb/s ? im not sure if that is bit or byte
[17:48:27] cocoa117: k, we have similar type of bitrate file
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[17:51:23] awilkins: Hi there, does the HEAD of mythtv need qt4 or is qt3 an option?
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[17:53:00] tank-man: maybe you shouldnt use the newest if youre not on the mailing list
[17:53:26] awilkins: Heh, I am, I've just answered my own question too, thanks
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[17:54:29] awilkins: I've got a rather crusty old MythTV box and the graphics hardware is really the limiting thing ; can't get the nvidia drivers for newer kernels
[17:54:47] awilkins: So anything that needs a newer kernel to build is quite tricky :-)
[17:55:13] stuarta: don't the free drivers work, as opposed to nvidia's?
[17:55:38] awilkins: stuarta: The problem with those is the performance – they don't support XvMC do they?
[17:56:01] stuarta: none of that round here either
[17:56:26] awilkins: What's your hardware?
[17:56:36] stuarta: amd64 3200+
[17:56:48] awilkins: Underclocked Sempron 1800+
[17:56:59] Dibblah: AFAIR, the nv driver doesn't support XV.
[17:57:08] stuarta: work fine as a backend that would
[17:57:11] Dibblah: So moderately useless for Myth...
[17:57:22] awilkins: It's a combo back/front
[17:57:47] awilkins: Perfectly servicable but a little unresponsive sometimes
[17:58:12] awilkins: I had to underclock it because it wasn't stable otherwise, I think it was getting too warm
[17:59:25] awilkins: I've given it all a good force-air cleaning but I haven't seen a need to clock it back up
[17:59:48] awilkins: It's all DVB-T so it doesn't exactly consume a lot of CPU to record
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[18:10:50] meshe: what is that equivilant to in the intel line? i run a 1.7 Ghz celeron as a frontend/backend with mythbuntu 8.10 and it runs great
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[18:16:41] ** Dibblah didn't realise that QT was pronounced cute... **
[18:18:34] janneg: Dibblah: also it is Qt not QT. the second is the short for Aplle's QuickTime
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[18:27:37] AndyCap: keep it on the QT.
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[18:35:23] awilkins: Oh, it's a sempron 2800, underclocked
[18:35:26] awilkins: TO 1400 Mhz
[18:35:29] trumee: hello guys
[18:35:39] awilkins: bogomips == 2825
[18:35:54] trumee: IHow can i get dvd covers for my videos in mythweb?
[18:36:25] trumee: Is there any script which can download covers based on folder names?
[18:36:37] justinh: trumee: tried reading the mythweb docs?
[18:37:23] justinh: if you mean "how do I get mythweb to grab cover images for my videos?" .. in which case you can't
[18:37:43] meshe: awilkins: what video card do you have in it?
[18:37:50] trumee: yup, that is what i want :)
[18:38:03] justinh: you can't
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[18:38:40] trumee: ok, suppose i have video cover images available, can i drop them into the folder themselves
[18:39:04] justinh: you should probably look into making symlinks in your mythweb/data dir
[18:39:21] trumee: symlink to where?
[18:39:24] justinh: I imagine the mythweb documentation might mention that somewhere
[18:39:36] trumee: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythWeb#Video does mention about it
[18:40:06] trumee: but i dont know what video_covers folder means
[18:40:19] justinh: hmmm. I want to display images in mythweb.. so I think I need to link one dir to another but which dir? the one where my TV recordings are kept.. or perhaps where my video cover images are stored. HM
[18:40:50] trumee: do i need a seperate folder with all the cover images in it. How do i name the images?
[18:40:51] awilkins: meshe: It's an onboard GF4MX#
[18:41:05] iamlindoro_: trumee: Read the mythweb readme, all the info you need is there
[18:41:11] iamlindoro_: it's in the mythweb dir
[18:41:26] meshe: awilkins: yeah, that might be a problem :)
[18:41:38] meshe: awilkins: do you have an agp port?
[18:41:42] awilkins: meshe: Nope
[18:41:58] awilkins: 'tis a uATX motherboard with TV out
[18:42:07] justinh: you can call the images whatever you want so long as you tell mythvideo which image is associated with each video :P
[18:42:30] awilkins: meshe: Great little piece of hardware once you iron the kinks out
[18:42:36] ** justinh tries to remember how he found all this out originally. OH YEAH. I RTFM **
[18:42:38] awilkins: meshe: Everything onboard
[18:42:48] awilkins: Apart from tuners
[18:43:30] trumee: justinh, that will be difficult, doing all of them by hand. I was hoping i could rename the cover image as the same as folder name and mythvideo/mythweb would be intelligent enough to pick it up
[18:43:44] meshe: sounds like it
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[18:44:22] justinh: hope. abandon all you have :P
[18:44:40] awilkins: meshe: I'm trying to determine whether the "crummy old driver" problem has been fixed (by patching the kernel shim for newer kernels)
[18:46:12] justinh: trumee: there's a website called 'Google' IIRC that you can use to help track down a script which will automagically download cover images for your videos.
[18:46:26] meshe: sorry, not sure about that, I got rid of my last GF 4 a few years ago
[18:46:48] trumee: justinh, aha! good to know about that website :)
[18:47:13] awilkins: meshe: I'm hunting around in the gentoo packages : it's been sooo long since I updated this box....
[18:47:21] meshe: my myth box currently runs a 6200
[18:47:56] awilkins: meshe: Heh, no cruddy old drivers for you :-)
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[18:49:54] trumee: justinh, doesnt imdb.pl download covers?
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[18:50:15] sphery: tmdb.pl!!!
[18:50:19] trumee: justinh, this script http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5917 seems to do it
[18:50:22] justinh: yes, but one at a time
[18:50:24] sphery: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Tmdb.pl
[18:50:35] justinh: wow. your search-fu is astounding!
[18:51:04] trumee: sphery,justinh: thanks :)
[18:51:05] justinh: and this sarcasm is becoming hard to maintain
[18:54:56] sphery: trumee: imdb.pl has been broken for a while since they changed the site, and since it's a violation of ToS, tmdb.pl is the way to go.
[18:55:22] trumee: sphery, thnaks for the info. i am trying to set it up
[18:56:17] sphery: Please let me know if you have issues with the info on that page so I can fix it.
[18:56:27] sphery: I'm actually doing a patch right now that puts tmdb.pl into -fixes
[18:56:51] sphery: (so any information about issues you may have after that would be very useful :)
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[18:57:44] ** iamlindoro_ reads about an AMD geode user using VDPAU, loses faith in humanity **
[18:58:45] iamlindoro_: Also, I question the informational value of all the entries on the VDPAU page w/ stupid fixes backports, but whateves
[18:59:55] trumee: sphery, is it possible to use tmdb with mythweb?
[18:59:58] justinh: Just Delete It (tm)
[19:00:01] justinh: trumee: NO
[19:00:34] gbee: how come, doesn't mythweb use the same API?
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[19:00:56] justinh: not in -fixes it won't
[19:01:35] stuarta: my brain hurts
[19:01:52] sphery: guess that's something else to work on for my patch...
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[19:05:13] justinh: ooo 83% off!
[19:05:23] trumee: sphery, that will be awesome
[19:05:52] kormoc: it doesn't use the same API?
[19:06:09] sphery: I think it does, but justinh was saying that you have to patch mythweb to make it work...
[19:06:15] kormoc: assuming tmdb script supports the same CLI args, it should work fine
[19:06:39] kormoc: Just add it to the 'known' scripts section should be enough
[19:06:57] justinh: awww, I so enjoy peeing on people's bonfires
[19:07:11] kormoc: Feel free to continue!
[19:07:46] kormoc: as IRC has taught me, you don't have to be right, just loud
[19:07:50] justinh: anyway, if I'd have said yes the next question invariably would've been "how?".. :P
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[19:08:55] sphery: I don't think the tv=... stuff is in tmdb.pl, but I'll look more closely when I get done with the MythVideo changes.
[19:09:47] iamlindoro_: that's correct, not tv=,video= stuff
[19:09:50] iamlindoro_: er no
[19:09:53] gbee: I've lost the enthusiasm for backporting TMDB, yes I think it should happen, but I don't want the job – maybe GreyFoxx would be interested
[19:10:10] sphery: I'm working on it now
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[19:28:11] trumee: sphery, is the video number same as the last digits in tmdb url?
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[19:29:37] trumee: The script borks out if i give a number 13007 for http://www.themoviedb.org/movie/13007
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[19:31:23] strex: In my mythbackend.log I see "Unable to read configuration file mysql.txt" Any idea where it's looking for this file, or what it should contain?
[19:32:20] Dagmar: wiki.mythtv.org
[19:32:49] plipp: I have issues with tearing, which I have resolved by setting the video overlay port explicitly in mplayer (-vo xv:port=96). Can I do that with the internal-player (What IS the internal player?) and can I do that with Xine?
[19:33:55] plipp: setting the Option videotexturing to false does not bite..
[19:34:03] plipp: ..in xorg.conf, that is
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[20:00:47] justinh: funny. the internal player is..... the internal player
[20:01:17] dustybin: is .22 ok to use now?
[20:01:33] iamlindoro_: it's not okay to use until there is a .22
[20:01:41] dustybin: i remember before .21 came out i was using it
[20:01:47] dustybin: and it worked ok
[20:02:05] Dagmar: Stop being a jackass.
[20:02:08] plipp: justinh: can I feed it my video overlay port?
[20:02:46] justinh: plipp: if you don't have Xv working you might have a slim chance of using the opengl renderer. but if your opengl is crap.. time for a new card :)
[20:03:50] justinh: dustybin: like with crack cocaine, YMMV
[20:04:12] dustybin: :(
[20:04:19] ** dustybin feels unliked in this channel **
[20:04:49] justinh: you persistently ask daft questions. that might have something to do with it
[20:05:07] Dagmar: Then stop saying stupid sh*t just to irritate devs and helpers
[20:05:27] Dagmar: Trolling is not a f**king art form.
[20:05:35] Dagmar: It's something stupid f**king people do.
[20:05:36] justinh: dustybin: I saw this on a bus today http://tinyurl.com/ddl2xh
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[20:06:08] dustybin: i could of sworn i used .21 before i was released :(
[20:06:21] IceWewe: can anyone think of a reason why audio would suddenly disappear on the analog stream from an HVR-1600?
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[20:06:24] justinh: before you were released from where? :P
[20:06:24] dustybin: justinh: LOL nice pic
[20:06:28] Dagmar: Perhaps your GRASP OF ENGLISH could be improved
[20:06:40] Dagmar: Because what you *said* was that you were using .22 before .21 was released.
[20:07:10] dustybin: I meant, i was using .21 before it was actually released
[20:07:20] Dagmar: You were wrong then, too.
[20:07:27] justinh: dustybin: fwiw, if you really want to know what trunk is like... there's only one way to know & that'd be to try it for yourself
[20:07:38] dustybin: ok
[20:08:06] iamlindoro_: or you could ask our users list demigod to backport it all for you
[20:08:12] iamlindoro_: I hear that works well
[20:08:23] iamlindoro_: And he loves to take credit for copying and pasting work other people have done
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[20:13:52] elmojo_: what kind of credit... mastercard or visa?
[20:15:10] ** justinh sends in the bad pun police **
[20:17:46] justinh: pfft. see the new mac mini has resulted in many a yawn. Muh, but it's so expensive. Yerrs. And it's so much more petite than anything else you could buy for the same money right now. Vaporware tech like the Ion platform notwithstanding
[20:17:50] elmojo_: he really does take does take donations according to the website
[20:18:09] elmojo_: and no bluray drive
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[20:18:29] justinh: so? it's not like you can play blu discs in linux yet
[20:18:38] elmojo_: true
[20:19:00] iamlindoro_: Wow, he DOES take donations
[20:19:10] elmojo_: but for the price i'd like one anyways
[20:19:15] iamlindoro_: thats... what's the word I'm looking for?
[20:19:32] justinh: community minded? ;)
[20:19:37] iamlindoro_: "The various mods and patches I’ve developed for MythTV and how to add VDPAU support to MythTV 0.21-fixes without breaking things."
[20:19:53] iamlindoro_: "I've developed" seems to be a bit of a HUGE OVERSTATEMENT
[20:20:11] iamlindoro_: Give me money, I can hit the control and V keys at the same time!
[20:20:11] justinh: I had no qualms about people parting with their cash
[20:21:31] justinh: well, we've not been inundated with people using his tainted code – so fair dues
[20:24:25] justinh: ugh. Displayport. no hdmi? meh
[20:24:45] iamlindoro_: They sell a cheapish DP->HDMI adapter
[20:25:23] justinh: bluh. no audio on displayport :-\
[20:25:54] iamlindoro_: Says who?
[20:26:26] justinh: forum. it was wrong :)
[20:26:32] iamlindoro_: indeedy :)
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[20:29:51] justinh: awww no mention of that little ribbon connector on my AV receiver in the schematics :(
[20:30:25] justinh: might have to do some hardware hacking to do away with the need to make an unsightly IR blaster
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[20:35:02] justdave: hmm, time to upgrade my living room mythtv box finally. Apple released the new Minis and they do match the rumors from December on specs.
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[20:36:21] iamlindoro_: There's a pretty big issue with the new minis
[20:36:38] iamlindoro_: 128 MB of shared graphics memory w/ 1 GB of RAM, 256 with 2 GB
[20:36:58] iamlindoro_: so if one expects to use VDPAU, that might prove to be a real problem
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[20:37:38] justdave: didn't the old minis have shared graphics memory, too?
[20:37:56] iamlindoro_: Yes, but people weren't expecting to do VDPAU with old minis, either
[20:38:16] iamlindoro_: and 256 MB has proved to be too little in most cases with VDPAU so far
[20:38:17] meshe: how much video ram does vpdapu require? 512+?
[20:38:26] iamlindoro_: yeah, 512 seems to be the safe amount
[20:39:05] iamlindoro_: Note that that might improve but it's still anyone's guess as to whether it actually will
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[20:39:15] plipp: justinh: I have Xv working as long as I explicitly tell which port.. :p OpenGL is a no-no. Need to use video overlay not to get tearing (integrated intel). As said, it works with mplayer, and I'd be glad if it was possible to tell the port to other players as swell
[20:40:23] iamlindoro_: plipp: Have you googled "Mythtv intel xv port?"
[20:40:51] iamlindoro_: (as the first result has a patch for myth in it)
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[20:49:46] justinh: Xv works just fine here on my integrated Intel graphics AFAICT
[20:50:23] justinh: wish the opengl renderer would though... the OSD looks like ass
[20:50:25] iamlindoro_: justinh: They've added a hack to work around their apparently-unfixable tearing issues
[20:50:27] plipp: justinh: Works on my laptop too, but not desktop.
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[20:51:02] justinh: iamlindoro_: used to get tearing but not anymore for some reason
[20:51:14] justinh: can't remember if it was because I hacked the driver myself or not
[20:51:19] plipp: thanks a bunch iamlindoro_
[20:51:42] iamlindoro_: justinh: I've put the Dell Hybrid up on the shelf until Intel fixes that business
[20:51:46] iamlindoro_: plipp: you are welcome
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[20:53:52] justinh: I have 3 dirs on my frontend, each holding seemingly the same intel driver source code
[20:53:58] iamlindoro_: justinh: The fix was allegedly to be included about four driver revisions ago, then it wasn't, then it's been mysteriously absent from mention ever since
[20:54:33] justinh: even with the hack I remember I still got tearing & bob deinterlacing didn't work as smoothly as it should
[20:54:52] justinh: but since 0.22 (I think) it's been fine
[20:55:06] iamlindoro_: I'll probably give it a look again if the frame-based multithread stuff finds its way in to the next libav* sync
[20:55:15] iamlindoro_: (or a patch for it)
[20:55:23] iamlindoro_: The Dell, that is
[20:55:40] justinh: I think I may just end up throwing CPU cycles at HD video
[20:55:57] iamlindoro_: exactly
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[20:56:09] justinh: if I end up building a new box it might aswell just live in my lounge & house the whole kaboodle
[20:56:13] iamlindoro_: VDPAU is far too unreliable and limited IMO
[20:56:42] iamlindoro_: Nice for what it works on, when it decides to work on it, and when you can't do it in software, but... when possible, software (and I'll kick myself for using this meme) ftw
[20:56:57] justinh: as for bluray.. heh. I don't see me owning a disc for at least a couple of years
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[20:59:08] justinh: same likely goes for HDTV actually
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[20:59:39] justinh: watching less than an hour a day on average, it's one heck of an investment to make
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[21:00:19] iamlindoro_: justinh: Well, at least you guys have freesat-- haven't you mentioned owning a dish before?
[21:00:32] iamlindoro_: Wouldn't be *too* terrible to rig up the dish and buy a DVB-S card
[21:00:42] justinh: I used to own a dish, and I intend to put one up again at some point
[21:00:47] iamlindoro_: (or, I suppose an S2 card might be more prudent)
[21:00:53] justinh: it's part of the reason I've been culling trees
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[21:32:44] Exposure: how should I setup channel logos for a backend with multiple frontend? Can the backend send logos to the frontends or does the path to the logos in the databases need to be available on all frontends to make it work?
[21:39:27] Dagmar: wiki.mythtv.org
[21:39:28] iamlindoro_: Yes, they need to be mounted in identical places on each frontend. There is no storage group functionality for channel icons yet, although someone has it on their to-do list
[21:39:30] Dagmar: Go now.
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[21:44:50] iamlindoro_: Though some of us have been getting fancy with our own storage group implementations ;) http://rafb.net/p/g1ns2Y28.html
[21:45:28] tanderson: naming hostnames after sherlock holmes characters is aweseom
[21:45:32] tanderson: *awesome
[21:46:07] iamlindoro_: Heh, thanks!  ;) There are a couple frontends in there too which obviously don't show up in backend settings
[21:46:24] justinh: I still find /var/lib as a recordings storage location _weird_
[21:47:36] ** tanderson is simply doing his hostnames as bobo,coco,dodo,fofo, gogo. Quite silly really **
[21:48:06] Gumby: what about eoeo and aoao ?
[21:48:32] tanderson: Gumby: horrible names :-)
[21:48:34] Gumby: and what comes after zozo ?
[21:48:40] Gumby: hehe
[21:48:40] Dagmar: Wrong place for 'em too
[21:48:42] iamlindoro_: Booboo
[21:48:43] tanderson: greek letters, I'm afraid
[21:48:45] iamlindoro_: coocoo
[21:48:48] iamlindoro_: doodoo
[21:48:50] Gumby: lol iamlindoro
[21:48:51] iamlindoro_: etc.
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[21:49:36] Do-m-pie: hi does anybody have mythstream and uitzendinggemist working?
[21:50:05] Dagmar: The /var/lib director is for state information pertaining to apps.
[21:50:16] Dagmar: It is *not* the correct place for a bunch of video files
[21:50:27] Dagmar: s/director/directory/;
[21:50:43] iamlindoro_: Welcome to "who cares what you think, mind your business," I'm your host, Iamlindoro
[21:50:57] Exposure: Dagmar: you didn't think I know that url?
[21:51:02] iamlindoro_: Previously known as "It's my hard drive, eff off"
[21:51:42] Exposure: Dagmar: next time point me to www.google.com, almost just as helpful
[21:51:56] Dagmar: Exposure: If you're asking questions like that, clearly you need simple help
[21:52:06] Dagmar: ...considering they're covered in the docs.
[21:52:20] Exposure: if you're not satisfied with a question don't answer it
[21:52:35] Dagmar: If you're not satisfied with the answer, you can STFU too you know
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[21:52:47] Dagmar: I am *not* someone you're going to be able to make feel bad because you cry and wail.
[21:52:57] justinh: does anyone care about 3rd party plugins with 'graphical equalizers' ? ;)
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[21:53:47] iamlindoro_: justinh: You had me at "does anyone care about 3rd party plugins"
[21:55:56] kormoc: New mac mini
[21:55:57] ** kormoc dances **
[21:56:00] dustybin: how about a mythtv stat plug-in, it could show various mythtv stats in nice presentable graphs, etc
[21:56:22] iamlindoro_: kormoc: I worry that the non-user-changeable 128 or 256 MB shared Graphics memory could be a problem
[21:56:49] iamlindoro_: kormoc: ie if you have 1 GB of RAM you get 128, if you have 2 GB of RAM you get 256, and seems to be nothing you can do about it
[21:57:25] kormoc: Minimum graphics memory usage is 128MB for 1GB configuration and 256MB for 2GB configuration.
[21:57:34] kormoc: seems that they say it can increase
[21:57:37] IceWewe: why would the audio in my analog recordings from my HVR-1600 suddenly disappaer?
[21:57:43] kormoc: well, I'm ordering one
[21:57:49] kormoc: I'll let you know how it works :P
[21:58:22] IceWewe: well it *was* working
[21:58:31] IceWewe: I'm only wondering why it's stopped working
[21:58:46] iamlindoro_: kormoc: Yeah, I'm curios to know
[21:58:48] IceWewe: no, I haven't updated any part of mythtv or my kernel, it's using the same cx18 module that's been working for a month now
[21:58:49] iamlindoro_: er curious
[21:58:56] justinh: dustybin: knock yourself out man
[21:58:57] IceWewe: I've rebooted
[21:59:17] IceWewe: I'm wondering if the recent power-outage has anything to do with it
[21:59:28] IceWewe: but that doesn't make sense, since I have audio on the ATSC stream
[21:59:37] IceWewe: and my computer is on a UPS
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[22:01:30] justinh: considering analogue & ATSC have nothing to do with one another..
[22:01:33] sphery: IceWewe: you did run optimize_mythdb.pl since the crash, right? (or use MythWeb's Repair database thing)
[22:01:55] IceWewe: no
[22:01:58] ** JEDIDIAH__ will definitely be visiting the apple store soon. **
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[22:02:03] sphery: try that, then restart all of myth
[22:02:03] IceWewe: what crash?
[22:02:09] sphery: power outage?
[22:02:11] IceWewe: no crash, I shut down my machine cleanly
[22:02:16] sphery: oh
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[22:02:24] justinh: forgot to load a module?
[22:02:28] IceWewe: UPS woke me up at 2AM with it's incessant beeping so I shut my computer off
[22:02:32] justinh: firmware gone on holiday?
[22:02:35] IceWewe: justinh, no, ATSC tuning and capture still works
[22:02:52] IceWewe: THAT is a possibilty
[22:02:53] IceWewe: will check
[22:03:01] justinh: so uhhh.. that doesn't cover the hardware encoding part I'd bet
[22:03:21] justinh: could be a different module
[22:03:43] IceWewe: nope, successfully loaded the cx18 module I've been using for the past month (with audio capture working) and the firmware for the card
[22:03:53] IceWewe: as I said, ATSC capture with sound works, although I do realize that they are different things
[22:03:57] justinh: well, take myth out of the loop & test it on its own
[22:04:05] justinh: the card, I mean
[22:04:16] IceWewe: uhhh, what program would I use to do that?
[22:04:21] justinh: ATSC has audio in the transport stream. No audio capture :)
[22:04:37] IceWewe: yeah... and the NTSC stream goes through an encoding chip
[22:04:49] IceWewe: I knew that much about it, hence why it's not a comparison at all
[22:04:57] IceWewe: just trying to provide evidence that some part of the card is working
[22:04:59] justinh: where the **** are all these non-testers of hardware before they use mythtv folks coming from?
[22:06:29] IceWewe: mplayer will play it sans sound
[22:06:33] IceWewe: "Audio: no sound"
[22:06:52] IceWewe: "Cannot find codec for audio format 0x50"
[22:07:40] sphery: IceWewe: my guess is that your devices got renumbered in the reboot... you need proper udev rules (or at least hacks to keep the devices numbered the way you/myth expect)
[22:07:57] iamlindoro_: 0x50 is MP3 IIRC
[22:08:00] JEDIDIAH__: non-testers? Windows.
[22:08:02] IceWewe: sphery, mplayer won't play the audio
[22:08:09] iamlindoro_: so not being able to play that sounds like not having compiled in mp3 support
[22:08:24] JEDIDIAH__: they probably think that mythtv is like something that comes in a magic box.
[22:08:26] IceWewe: mplayer will play MP3 files
[22:08:42] JEDIDIAH__: pour some powder, sprinkle some water, shake well...
[22:08:47] IceWewe: to recap:
[22:09:07] IceWewe: both Myth and mplayer will not play audio from the MPEG2 stream coming off NTSC capture
[22:09:08] justinh: only the one tuner card in the box? no webcams? etc????
[22:09:25] IceWewe: only the HVR-1600 and I've got it set specifically to the analog portion of the card
[22:09:28] justinh: you SURE you've not installed any updates?
[22:09:29] IceWewe: no webcams (they crash mah kernel)
[22:09:33] IceWewe: positive
[22:09:49] IceWewe: it would be quite hard for me to do so with libstdc++ not compiling for the last 2 weeks thanks to an emerge conflict
[22:10:00] justinh: try catting the analogue video encoder into a file, then try ffmpeg -i on the file
[22:10:03] IceWewe: I am quite sure no updates have been installed since audio stopped working
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[22:10:48] Dagmar: god I was laughing so hard I unplugged the cablemodem
[22:11:01] IceWewe: am I doing 'cat /dev/v4l/video0 >> test.mpg'
[22:11:07] IceWewe: or using mplayer with stdout?
[22:11:10] IceWewe: because that isn't creating a file...
[22:11:24] IceWewe: wait... nvm
[22:11:26] IceWewe: wrong directory
[22:11:28] ** IceWewe facepalms **
[22:11:48] IceWewe: Stream #0.0[0x1e0]: Video: mpeg2video, yuv420p, 720x480 [PAR 8:9 DAR 4:3], 6000 kb/s, 29.97 tb(r)
[22:11:48] IceWewe: Stream #0.1[0x1c0]: Audio: mp2, 32000 Hz, stereo, s16, 384 kb/s
[22:12:13] IceWewe: mplayer still refuses to play audio from the file, same decoder error
[22:12:20] justinh: using digital audio output?
[22:12:24] IceWewe: nope
[22:12:41] justinh: stream params look right
[22:12:41] IceWewe: audio output works, have used mythtv with ATSC stream and mplayer to verify
[22:12:54] IceWewe: and I've tested the video on multiple computers, none of them will play audio
[22:12:58] justinh: what about the audio input.. is it muted?
[22:13:04] IceWewe: input on the card?
[22:13:07] IceWewe: on what?
[22:13:12] Dagmar: Except that whole "my dev environment is broken and my kernel isn't stable" problem
[22:13:26] justinh: the card likely has a volume control for the audio capture
[22:13:37] IceWewe: Dagmar, yes, my system isn't terribly stable, thanks ATI, but it's been working
[22:13:50] justinh: accessible via v4l2ctl
[22:14:25] IceWewe: Audio input : 0 (Tuner 1)
[22:14:31] IceWewe: I'm assuming that means muted.
[22:14:45] IceWewe: right?
[22:14:50] justinh: dunno
[22:15:12] justinh: not used v4l2ctl much. I come from ivtvctl land
[22:15:19] IceWewe: nvm, 0 denotes the audio input is from the Tuner
[22:15:30] IceWewe: setting it to something other than 0 changes what input on the card it expects audio from
[22:15:49] justinh: there's likely a volume control
[22:16:55] justinh: whee v4l2-ctl --list-ctrls
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[22:17:24] IceWewe: v4l2-ctl --list-audio-outputs
[22:17:25] IceWewe: ioctl: VIDIOC_ENUMAUDOUT
[22:17:36] JEDIDIAH__: mplayer can spit out a lot of information about a file "-v -identify"
[22:17:57] IceWewe: can I change the audio mode? apparently I have "stereo lang1 lang2" available and it's set to lang1
[22:18:11] JEDIDIAH__: my 30 second web search indiicates that 0x50 is a variant of mp2/mp3
[22:18:26] IceWewe: justinh, read the v4l2-ctl commands, cannot find out how to set what mode to capture audio in
[22:19:18] justinh: why not 'stereo' ?
[22:19:28] JEDIDIAH__: yes... Jedi once thought he was being bitten by one of those notorious Ubuntu 8.x bugs...
[22:19:33] JEDIDIAH__: it turns out the volume got muted.
[22:20:05] IceWewe: cannot change my audio input on the card
[22:20:09] justinh: http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/V4l2-ctl
[22:20:13] JEDIDIAH__: sometimes it pays to check the painfully obvious ("is this thing plugged in?")
[22:20:18] IceWewe: stuck at 1: Undetermined MP2<cutoff>
[22:21:04] IceWewe: JEDIDIAH__, yes, the coax is plugged in
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[22:23:00] IceWewe: justinh, changing the audio mode from lang1 to stereo does not solve the audio problem
[22:23:55] IceWewe: and when watching liveTV I get a ton of these in the background terminal
[22:23:57] IceWewe: 2009-03–03 17:23:39.856 Second A/V Sync reported error: Bad Value
[22:23:59] iamlindoro_: Anyway, we've pretty much established it's not a myth issue, why not try where they actually do this stuff, #v4l?
[22:24:07] IceWewe: ah, sorry
[22:26:44] JEDIDIAH__: it sounds like the card is encoding or identifying things oddly.
[22:27:02] JEDIDIAH__: ...although wouldn't this be something that the built in version of ffmpeg should cover?
[22:27:13] justinh: more to that reboot than meets the eye if that's the case
[22:27:16] justinh: as per usual
[22:28:15] IceWewe: I can pastebin my logs from the reboot, v4l and the card came up as they usually do
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[22:29:31] IceWewe: and I'm not experiencing dropped frames, and it happens on all analog captures
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[22:32:28] IceWewe: startup log is available for anyone wanting to take a glance
[22:32:29] IceWewe: http://pastebin.com/m56f538f1
[22:32:54] Dagmar: Perhaps they'll care in #v4l
[22:34:49] sphery: IceWewe: use 48kHz audio in your recording profile
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[22:35:04] sphery: (didn't read all of scrollback, so may have missed a lot)
[22:35:25] IceWewe: I am
[22:35:29] LanUser: JEDIDIAH__: not to jump in midstream, but that card doesn't require anything like btaudio does it?
[22:35:49] sphery: IceWewe: here you weren't: 03.03 17:11:48 < IceWewe> Stream #0.1[0x1c0]: Audio: mp2, 32000 Hz, stereo, s16, 384 kb/s
[22:36:09] IceWewe: myth is using 48KHz, no joy
[22:37:06] IceWewe: am now using 48KHz
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[22:37:52] IceWewe: no audio...
[22:38:14] IceWewe: at least mplayer recognizes the audio stream now
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[22:40:39] IceWewe: Building audio filter chain for 48000Hz/2ch/s16le -> 0Hz/0ch/??...
[22:40:44] IceWewe: perhaps that has something to do with it?
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[22:52:12] justdave: hmmm
[22:52:15] justdave: "Minimum graphics memory usage is 128MB for 1GB configuration and 256MB for 2GB configuration."
[22:52:19] justdave: (for the Mini)
[22:52:23] justdave: but it also comes in a 4GB variant
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[22:52:34] justdave: if you get that do you get 512MB for graphics I wonder?
[22:53:05] justinh: sounds like overkill
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[22:53:48] justdave: the way that's worded sounds like it just reserves that amount for graphics and it'll actually use more if it needs it.
[22:53:52] justdave: but that seems strange
[22:54:09] mbreum: Hi. I'm trying to understand why the configuration of the recording quality (bitrate) is done in the frontend, when the tuner is located at the backend?
[22:56:47] justdave: to give you a way to configure it without having to quit out of the thing probably. there's a bunch of backend stuff you can configure from the frontend ui
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[23:03:37] mbreum: Okay, then.. I have a pretty bad looking picture when I watch TV or recordings. I would like to get an opinion on that, but I am unsure how to grab a single frame. If I press print-screen, do I need to install gimp to be able to save the image?
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[23:12:26] k-man: justdave: are you talking about the new mac mini?
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[23:14:30] sphery: I thought the new one was the mac money
[23:15:31] ** iamlindoro sprays his full ATX case with high gloss white... Mac Mini! **
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[23:17:51] tank-man: im glad i wasnt the only one that thought the mac tax was extreamly big
[23:18:13] k-man: oh yeah, its a totaly rip off
[23:19:15] k-man: but at the moment, the mac mini seems like the best choice for a FE
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[23:20:12] k-man: so will the mac mini have enough graphics ram to do VDPAU playback at 1080p?
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[23:25:52] justdave: k-man: sounded like no.
[23:26:02] k-man: hmm.. thats a shame
[23:26:08] iamlindoro: more like a "who knows"
[23:26:24] iamlindoro: or even more accurately, "nobody knows"
[23:26:40] k-man: so we have to wait for someone brave to try it out
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[23:26:49] iamlindoro: yep, won't take long though
[23:26:50] k-man: wait – doesn't apple have a satisfactin guarantee?
[23:27:11] iamlindoro: They're not wang pills
[23:27:23] iamlindoro: I'm sure they'll take a reasonable return (and charge you a 15% restock)
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[23:27:41] iamlindoro: but outside of 30 days I'd expect a "sucks to be you" :)
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[23:29:12] justdave: I'm still figuring on getting one. I have an existing MythFE that's a Mac Mini, and had been planning to add another to replace a hacked up laptop on another TV once the new ones came out.
[23:29:28] k-man: if you run mythfrontend under OSX, would it be able to take advantage of decoding using VDPAU or similar?
[23:29:32] justdave: the old Minis were sufficient, so the new ones will probably be better even without the VDPAU
[23:29:33] iamlindoro: nope
[23:29:43] iamlindoro: k-man, ^^
[23:30:19] justdave: sufficient for me is h.264 at 720p with minimal frame dropping
[23:30:31] k-man: justdave: fair enough
[23:30:35] justdave: ymmv if you have other requirements
[23:30:59] ** Do-m-pie doesn't like mythstream with uitzendinggemist **
[23:31:18] iamlindoro: You're in good company, we don't like/support mythstream at all
[23:31:32] Do-m-pie: ghehe
[23:31:34] justdave: in my case I'm running Myth on Linux on the mini anyway
[23:31:49] justdave: mainly because I couldn't find a way to get a decent remote control working under OS X
[23:31:59] justdave: (the Apple Remote isn't decent for MythTV :)
[23:32:01] k-man: justdave: thats interesting
[23:32:10] Do-m-pie: iamlindoro: trying to get it to work with uitzendinggemist but seems very difficult
[23:32:24] iamlindoro: Do-m-pie, We don't provide any support for mythstream (or other third party plugins) here
[23:32:25] mbreum: googled a bit and found out that myth itself stores png files for each recording. This image looks perfect, but my playback sucks. It looks like this: http://picasaweb.google.dk/mortenbreum/Public . . . 289586531810
[23:32:28] Do-m-pie: mythstream is included in debian lenny :(
[23:32:34] iamlindoro: You'd need to look up the author for help
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[23:33:25] Do-m-pie: iamlindoro: yep
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[23:35:22] mbreum: The blueish noise get worse when there is loud sound. Anyone have any idea if I am looking at a tuner problem or a video card problem?
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[23:40:43] Dagmar: mbreum: Since your video card doesn't do sound, it should be pretty self-explanatory
[23:40:50] Dagmar: You've got a tuning problem
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[23:43:01] k-man: i dunno why, but i have constant problems loading pages from newegg
[23:43:05] k-man: they always time out and hang
[23:43:11] k-man: under IE and under Firefox
[23:43:13] k-man: its very odd
[23:44:06] sphery: their name server is abnormally slow
[23:44:20] sphery: if you're running your own, that's probably why
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[23:44:35] k-man: sphery: oh really – thats interesting
[23:44:47] k-man: i do run my own name server
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[23:44:59] sphery: if using an ISP's name server, their cache should handle it better
[23:45:18] k-man: any other solution for that?
[23:45:28] sphery: don't know...
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[23:59:26] k-man: would this have enough grunt to do 1080p? http://www.jetway.com.tw/jw/Barebone_view.asp . . . JBC202C62K-B
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