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| [00:06:53] | yfaykya: | gbee: K. Gonna call it a night now. I will try and catch him later |
| [00:08:30] | coda: | thanks jams!! :D |
| [00:08:59] | coda: | oh, thanks pheld! |
| [00:09:54] | coda: | should I disable gdm? |
| [00:11:04] | pheld: | with gdm use it's config gui to set up autologin for the user you've created for mythfrontend |
| [00:11:09] | clever: | for my own systems, i just uninstall the whole beast |
| [00:11:25] | clever: | ive also done that in the past |
| [00:11:42] | coda: | let's see |
| [00:13:49] | pheld: | If it is a dedicated frontend you're best off ditching all desktop stuff, strip off all unnecessary procs and stuff and have init handle it all. Except that's going to take a bit more work |
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| [00:14:50] | clever: | yeah |
| [00:14:50] | coda: | yeap, it's just a dedicated frontend |
| [00:18:31] | coda: | so (excuse me guys) pheld, is your solution supposed to be more efficient than starting it from .xinitrc ? |
| [00:19:25] | clever: | the autologin feature on gdm needs a set number of seconds to delay it |
| [00:19:33] | clever: | so you loose several seconds there |
| [00:19:38] | clever: | ontop of the time spend loading gdm |
| [00:19:53] | coda: | great |
| [00:19:56] | coda: | thanks :) |
| [00:20:55] | pheld: | coda: there are several ways to accomplish it without a DM. Efficiency won't differ significantly |
| [00:21:04] | clever: | for my frontends im using a custom script in /etc/rc.local |
| [00:21:31] | coda: | oh |
| [00:21:31] | clever: | it basicaly starts X ratpoison and mythwelcome, waits for mythwelcome, and kills X |
| [00:22:09] | coda: | sounds interesting :) |
| [00:22:16] | coda: | lets see what can i do |
| [00:22:44] | clever: | http://privatepaste.com/60evhYJtrI |
| [00:23:01] | clever: | mine gets ran as root and uses su to run the 2 x11 clients with non-root perms |
| [00:23:27] | coda: | thanks a lot :D |
| [00:23:28] | clever: | the whole thing gets ran from /etc/rc.local with |
| [00:23:29] | clever: | (( loadwelcome )) && /home/mythtv/startxorg & |
| [00:23:46] | clever: | i then have config files for each hostname that set loadwelcome |
| [00:24:00] | clever: | so i can selectively disable it on some |
| [00:24:11] | coda: | I'm not using mythwelcome at the moment, but I think I will give it a try |
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| [00:31:39] | coda: | excuse me clever, what should /home/mythtv/fe contain? |
| [00:33:37] | coda: | and sorry, but I don't get why you're killing X at the end of the script :$ |
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| [00:42:48] | Cyclone42: | Are there any real advantages to using the new firewire stack on Fedora as opposed to the old one still used by Ubuntu? |
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| [00:50:45] | AndyCap: | Cyclone42: http://kerneltrap.org/node/8132 |
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| [01:28:43] | markl__: | how well is VDPAU working? |
| [01:28:58] | ColdFyre: | i hear it still fries cards |
| [01:29:00] | markl__: | for example will it help with h.264, mkv, atsc, etc, or just a particular file type? |
| [01:29:18] | markl__: | any particular type of card to use or to avoid? |
| [01:32:29] | ColdFyre: | no, i've just _heard_ in general |
| [01:32:51] | NotForResale-US: | anyone control their tv via rs232 before? |
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| [01:44:34] | NotForResale-US: | anyone here? |
| [01:45:46] | GreyFoxx: | NotForResale-US: My flatscreen lets me do that |
| [01:46:05] | GreyFoxx: | I don't use it much, butit's handy from a commandline to turn it on or off |
| [01:46:13] | GreyFoxx: | or switch inputs if I can't find my remote |
| [01:49:26] | NotForResale-US: | GreyFoxx |
| [01:49:39] | NotForResale-US: | can i do echo command > com port? |
| [01:50:00] | NotForResale-US: | http://pastebin.ca/1350061 |
| [01:50:05] | NotForResale-US: | is the code for on/off |
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| [02:08:28] | iamlindoro: | "I'm going to try to get VPDAU out of my 6-year-old Dell so I need to free up a USB slot. Can anyone recommend a cost-efficient USB audio adapter that can do AC3 and DTS passthrough over optical SPDIF?" |
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| [02:08:34] | iamlindoro: | Awesome. |
| [02:09:11] | iamlindoro: | Took me a very long moment to figure out what that meant. |
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| [02:25:08] | meshe: | GreyFoxx: sweet, i just found out that my LG tv can be controlled through serial and the protocol is in the manual |
| [02:25:12] | meshe: | sooo much to play with |
| [02:36:40] | iamlindoro: | And let so infrequently will people leave you the hell alone long enough to play with it |
| [02:36:45] | iamlindoro: | s/let/yet/ |
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| [02:38:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | Humm... just got back from having dinner at a neighbor's house, and they've got FiOS TV... Just SD, but the box has a DB9 port on the back marked "DATA", and an 1/8" port marked "IR" and a USB port... Humm.... |
| [02:39:10] | meshe: | haha, also in my tv's manual: OPEN SOURCE LICENSE – This feature is not available for all models |
| [02:39:12] | ** J-e-f-f-A gives more thought about switching from Dish to FiOS TV... Especially if I can change channels with the 'data' port... ** | |
| [02:39:37] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A, Their HD boxes are usually changeable via firewire FWIW |
| [02:40:01] | iamlindoro: | the QIP boxes just need one to add the vendor and model IDs to 6200ch and it works fine |
| [02:40:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Yeah, this was a SD box... I'd hold of on a HD STB until I bought a HD-PVR... ;-) |
| [02:40:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: And the SD box is also a QIP box. |
| [02:40:41] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A, Some people manage to get a fair amount via firewire that way too |
| [02:40:47] | iamlindoro: | dunno about the serial, though |
| [02:41:02] | ** J-e-f-f-A gives the switch even more serious thought... ;-) ** | |
| [02:41:37] | iamlindoro: | I think j-rod bets most everything, but I think kormoc recently found he doesn't get much at all, so as always it's a crap shoot |
| [02:41:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: I was thinking of bringing my laptop over there and seeing if I could get anything to happen with the serial port... ;-) |
| [02:42:20] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A, Without some notion of their protocol it'd be flying blind |
| [02:42:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: I doubt much (if anything) would be open for me via Firewire, but I'd have to try to find out... ;-) |
| [02:43:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: true... ;-) I wonder what google would turn up... (I don't remember the model number of the box, but took a blurry cell-phone pic of it on my work phone...) ;-) |
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| [02:43:52] | iamlindoro: | There's only a few QIP boxes, they're all on moto's site |
| [02:44:51] | iamlindoro: | http://www.motorola.com/Business/US-EN/Busine . . . -IP+Set-tops |
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| [02:45:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Cool. Some quick googling seems to indicate that the serial port is disabled and "won't be turned on anytime soon"... :-( |
| [02:45:25] | iamlindoro: | boo |
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| [02:46:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | That's probably the only downside — 3 FiOS boxes would all have the same IR codes, making it a bit tricky to setup a suitable lirc environment.... |
| [02:46:35] | iamlindoro: | Unless you just man up and get the HD boxes ;) |
| [02:47:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Yeah, they have the 2500, the st one. ;-) ^^^ that could work, would have to ask for a raise or sell a kidney though... ;-) |
| [02:47:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | (er... "SD" one) |
| [02:47:28] | iamlindoro: | Can't be more than a few bucks difference for the box rental |
| [02:48:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Yeah, but by the time you add the HD channel package, and 3 STBs... it adds up real quick... |
| [02:48:37] | iamlindoro: | Well, I guess I assumed you'd want' *some* sort of HD package to begin with |
| [02:48:50] | iamlindoro: | at which point we're only talking about the difference in box rental price |
| [02:49:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | I have my OTA HD for now. ;-) Gets most of what I want for now. |
| [02:49:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | When I get around to setting up my home theatre room, I'll definitely pony up for a full HD package — I'll have to, there's no way I could stand SD on a 100" picture... |
| [02:50:32] | iamlindoro: | I can't at all |
| [02:50:37] | iamlindoro: | I have to watch the Daily Show upstairs |
| [02:50:46] | iamlindoro: | on the 106" @ 1080p it's just moosh |
| [02:51:12] | iamlindoro: | Although that will be helped when myth gets libswscale support shortly |
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| [02:52:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Yeah... Although, SD scaled up with a Viewsonic N4 scaler on a 37" TV with VGA inputs looks quite stunning. (My current living room setup) |
| [02:52:52] | iamlindoro: | Even without decent upscaling I think < 40" looks okay with SD |
| [02:53:09] | iamlindoro: | at least watchable, anyway |
| [02:53:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: As long as it's de-interlaced... that 37" tv without the scaler looks HORRIBLE with S-video going directly into it... |
| [02:53:29] | iamlindoro: | but I look forward to seeing how the advanced software scalers look |
| [02:54:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | (it's a CRT monitor — Mitsubishi Megaview 37 Plus) |
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| [03:01:19] | jams: | gbee you around? |
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| [03:01:52] | iamlindoro: | pretty early in the AM for them |
| [03:02:05] | jams: | true, but you never know |
| [03:02:14] | iamlindoro: | very true |
| [03:02:22] | iamlindoro: | I've definitely read the channel when I couldn't sleepo |
| [03:02:24] | iamlindoro: | sleep |
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| [03:02:39] | iamlindoro: | it's usually enough to make me think that sleep is a much better idea ;) |
| [03:03:18] | jams: | pretty sure it's a simple answer to my question, just havn't any examples of how to get the current db name |
| [03:03:46] | jams: | the old way i was doing it causes the compiler to complain |
| [03:05:36] | jams: | heh there we go, ask a question and find an answer |
| [03:06:11] | iamlindoro: | Always that way with me :) |
| [03:06:28] | jams: | happens a lot with me as well |
| [03:06:29] | iamlindoro: | generally involving me smacking myself in the forehead and feeling silly :) |
| [03:06:36] | jams: | maybe i will start asking in an empty channel |
| [03:06:42] | iamlindoro: | hehe |
| [03:07:17] | jams: | really it's been the qt4 changes that are causing me trouble. The mythui changes have been straightforward. |
| [03:07:48] | iamlindoro: | I have the advantage of having really only started to look seriously since the conversions began |
| [03:07:58] | iamlindoro: | so no old habits to unlearn |
| [03:08:43] | jams: | if i'm lucky only two more sections to uncomment before everything is back in place. |
| [03:09:03] | jams: | then more QA |
| [03:09:11] | iamlindoro: | You MythUI'ing the DB backup stuff or something? |
| [03:09:19] | iamlindoro: | s/DB backup/settings backup/ |
| [03:09:33] | jams: | nope, brining my install/configuration program up to date |
| [03:09:38] | iamlindoro: | ahhh |
| [03:10:20] | jams: | don't want to wait until .22 is out |
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| [03:10:29] | iamlindoro: | sure |
| [03:10:40] | jams: | besides i want to start using trunk again |
| [03:11:32] | iamlindoro: | I think that the Storage group code *desperately* needs a way of streaming into a storage group from a frontend-only |
| [03:12:03] | iamlindoro: | With all sorts of stuff going to storage groups, you need a way of ripping/downloading metadata/etc. from a frontend that doesn't mess up the SG-only setup |
| [03:12:28] | jams: | i see bi-directional streaming |
| [03:12:51] | iamlindoro: | was that missing a comma, or is there something I don't know about? |
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| [03:13:04] | iamlindoro: | (there are many things I don't know about, but you get my point) |
| [03:13:10] | jams: | missing a comma |
| [03:13:16] | iamlindoro: | heh, too bad :) |
| [03:13:51] | iamlindoro: | Think that needs to get added and ripping/metadata download needs to be able to use it for SG's in Mythvideo to really work well |
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| [03:14:56] | iamlindoro: | totally nothing to do with your stuff, just yammering |
| [03:15:27] | jams: | yep |
| [03:16:04] | jams: | it's a good addition, but not super important. |
| [03:16:31] | jams: | And i only say that because all my systems autoconfigure and automount the nfs shares |
| [03:16:40] | iamlindoro: | I think it's pretty important-- what happens when someone sets up a SG in Mythvideo, and then tries to download posters etc. on a frontend? |
| [03:17:03] | iamlindoro: | IMO the idea of adding MythVideo Storage Groups is to break with the need for nfs mounting |
| [03:17:34] | jams: | yes that is one of it's better points. |
| [03:17:58] | iamlindoro: | anyway, it'll get there |
| [03:18:02] | jams: | later |
| [03:18:10] | jams: | oops misread that |
| [03:18:21] | iamlindoro: | heh |
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| [03:21:55] | BooYaaa: | a tad off topic i guess, anyone with a haup HVR-1600 and got the remote control (for receive, not the blaster for send) working ? |
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| [03:40:42] | Lexridge: | Have any of you folks seen the KWorld World ATSC tuner? It looks VERY impressive. Anyone have one? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815260021 |
| [03:41:52] | Lexridge: | and for only $100 |
| [03:43:52] | jamesd: | the reviews doesn't make it look promising.. but i do like my 2 kworld 115's |
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| [03:44:32] | jams: | One more section to go. |
| [03:45:24] | Lexridge: | Well, the last review was promising....and the first was probably trying to get too high a res on a monitor that didn't support it. I would guess the unit only puts out what's coming in...ie 1080/720 |
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| [03:45:49] | Lexridge: | unless using the composite/RF outputs, of course. |
| [03:47:09] | jamesd: | well auto ranging and monitor id technology has been availible for years and most computer monitors deal with 720p these days without issues. |
| [03:47:39] | Lexridge: | true |
| [03:47:45] | jamesd: | a few more decent reviews would help my opionion of it |
| [03:48:10] | Lexridge: | humm, I think this might be a slightly different unit. Watch this video: http://www.buy.com/prod/kworld-digital-atsc-q . . . 9849676.html |
| [03:50:51] | Lexridge: | naw, it's the same unit...nm |
| [03:51:10] | BooYaaa: | anyone with a haup HVR-1600 and a working remote? i needs some pointers plz |
| [03:51:55] | Lexridge: | I like that you can use the box in either SD or HD, and perhaps simultaniously. I still have a lot of NTSC tvs |
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| [04:25:35] | IOU: | is there a way i can rescan the music/video collection via the command line ? |
| [04:25:45] | jams: | no |
| [04:26:31] | IOU: | so how does mythweb invoke the scanner ? |
| [04:27:58] | jams: | Couldn't tell you |
| [04:29:01] | BLACKthroat: | how do i go about installing one of these patches: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5893 |
| [04:29:20] | jams: | IOU it's a common question, there might be something like that in .22 but don't know for sure. |
| [04:32:21] | IOU: | okay cheers, Its just that I cave my myth videos and music dir's shared via NFS, and they are always being added to. Just wanted to set up some sort of cron. |
| [04:32:30] | IOU: | but if that functionality isnt included at this time, then thats cool |
| [04:32:50] | IOU: | I'll work out how mythweb does it and whip up a script to emulate it |
| [04:32:58] | jams: | BLACKthroat- those patches have already been applied, so if your running the lastest -fixes you should have them. |
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| [04:33:47] | IOU: | i wonder if mythweb sends a command to the backend to invoke the scanner. Might be a simple matter of making a socket client that can send the command to the backend |
| [04:34:06] | IOU: | unless it scans the dir itself |
| [04:35:00] | BLACKthroat: | jams, 'Remote control causes delays and jittery playback' still seems to be an issue for me |
| [04:35:25] | BLACKthroat: | using my keyboard works fine though |
| [04:36:00] | jams: | it was included in changeset 19222 for release fixes, are you running that or something later? |
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| [04:38:36] | BLACKthroat: | i'm running 0.21.0+fixes16838 |
| [04:39:01] | jams: | try mythfrontend --version |
| [04:39:46] | BLACKthroat: | version 16838 |
| [04:40:15] | jams: | right so you wouldn't have the patch. |
| [04:40:47] | BLACKthroat: | ok |
| [04:40:51] | jams: | so see if your packager has a newer version of mythtv, or download svn release-fixes and compile it |
| [04:41:20] | iamlindoro: | yowie, 16xxx is *old* |
| [04:41:28] | jams: | yep |
| [04:41:28] | BLACKthroat: | jams, thanks i'll try that |
| [04:41:30] | iamlindoro: | debian multimedia maybe? |
| [04:41:45] | iamlindoro: | (although I think even they have newer -fixes now) |
| [04:42:05] | BLACKthroat: | just installed hardy |
| [04:42:25] | iamlindoro: | If you are running ubuntu their -fixes is *much* newer |
| [04:42:37] | BLACKthroat: | apparently not |
| [04:42:40] | jams: | BLACKthroat- to directly answer your question you would need to download the mythtv source, download the patch, apply the patch with the "patch" command then compile. |
| [04:42:40] | iamlindoro: | go to mythbuntu.org and add their repository, then apt-get update and apt-get upgrade |
| [04:42:57] | iamlindoro: | that is, their weekly fixes repository |
| [04:43:08] | jams: | but again you don't need to patch anything cause the source already contains the fix. |
| [04:43:14] | BLACKthroat: | ok |
| [04:43:24] | jams: | btw iamlindoro just finished up! |
| [04:43:32] | iamlindoro: | jams, Nice, congrats |
| [04:43:45] | jams: | took all day but it now compiles and doesn't segfault =) |
| [04:43:50] | iamlindoro: | hehe |
| [04:44:00] | jams: | and nothing is commented that shouldn't be |
| [04:44:07] | iamlindoro: | I didn't even sit at the keyboard until 4 PM today, no myth time at all this weekend |
| [04:44:24] | iamlindoro: | Which is fine, I don't really have anything cooking right this second |
| [04:44:44] | iamlindoro: | I keep meaning to get the coverart file browser working with storage groups in MythVideo but I've been lazy |
| [04:45:34] | BLACKthroat: | the repository is mythbuntu-desktop, correct? |
| [04:45:48] | iamlindoro: | that's the name of a package, not a repository |
| [04:45:55] | jams: | my wife is out of town so it worked out well |
| [04:46:00] | BooYaaa: | anyone with haup hvr-1600 tuner and a working remote control? help |
| [04:46:09] | iamlindoro: | again, go to mythbuntu.org and read how to add their weekly fixes repository |
| [04:46:18] | BLACKthroat: | gotcha |
| [04:46:18] | iamlindoro: | then run apt-get update and pat-get upgrade |
| [04:46:27] | iamlindoro: | s/pat/apt/ |
| [04:49:33] | jams: | drats guess i'm not done yet, still have qt3support enabled. |
| [04:50:20] | BLACKthroat: | nice, its getting 19878 as we speak |
| [04:50:27] | BLACKthroat: | thank you |
| [04:51:30] | iamlindoro: | you are welcome |
| [04:52:36] | jams: | qt3support will need to be removed another day. Think i will stop on a high note. |
| [04:53:04] | BLACKthroat: | are these truely weekly updates? |
| [04:53:33] | iamlindoro: | Assuming fixes gets an commits in that week, yes |
| [04:53:37] | iamlindoro: | s/an/any |
| [04:54:06] | iamlindoro: | But as it's fixes, it's not like you will ever get new features or anything |
| [04:54:11] | iamlindoro: | bugfixes only |
| [04:54:42] | BLACKthroat: | that sure fixed the lagging problem. hell yeah |
| [04:56:20] | BLACKthroat: | i got another question for ya |
| [04:56:44] | BLACKthroat: | regarding playback profile |
| [04:56:55] | BLACKthroat: | i added a new one |
| [04:57:17] | BLACKthroat: | added a new entry, and selected pvr-350 decoder |
| [04:57:26] | BLACKthroat: | which is what i obviously have |
| [04:57:41] | BLACKthroat: | can i leave the match criteria as it is? |
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| [04:58:53] | iamlindoro: | assuming the match criterion match which files you wish to use that decoder on, sure |
| [04:59:32] | jams: | i wonder if the 350 will finally be dropped or permanatly broken with .22 |
| [04:59:47] | BLACKthroat: | are you talking about the renderer? |
| [04:59:56] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [05:00:07] | iamlindoro: | jams, one can only hope |
| [05:00:18] | BLACKthroat: | well it is ivtv for both |
| [05:00:32] | BLACKthroat: | it is the only one for them |
| [05:00:36] | iamlindoro: | jams, Don't think anyone has touched it in ages, I suspect once it breaks it'll stay broke |
| [05:00:49] | jams: | thats correct |
| [05:00:53] | iamlindoro: | jams, Especially if it's good and broke |
| [05:01:08] | jams: | i don't have anything against the 350, but really its not needed anymore. |
| [05:01:17] | BLACKthroat: | is there a place where i can edit settings for ivtv? |
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| [05:01:40] | wagnerrp: | tv settings, recording profiles |
| [05:01:44] | Cyclone42: | I have a firewire-based HD setup. I have everything ready to eventually get an HD-PVR, once it is closer to "beta" quality. |
| [05:01:58] | Cyclone42: | Any rough guesses about how long that might be? |
| [05:02:20] | wagnerrp: | i was under the impression the HDPVR was really beta quality right now |
| [05:02:23] | iamlindoro: | the Hd-PVR is more or less at beta quality now |
| [05:02:44] | iamlindoro: | It's functional but as you need to run trunk for it, it'll remain at that status until .22 comes out |
| [05:03:13] | Cyclone42: | I read the MythTV wiki notes on the HD-PVR. Still looks like you have to jump through a look of hoops and hurdles to get one working. |
| [05:03:43] | iamlindoro: | Given that I wrote that page, I don't see how any of that is jumping through hoops |
| [05:03:46] | jpabq: | The HD-PVR is better than beta. It may not be perfect (for livetv), but is very close to perfect for recordings. |
| [05:04:02] | iamlindoro: | compile driver, run trunk, the end |
| [05:04:11] | wagnerrp: | if youre talking about the 'skiploopback' stuff, thats only if you have a less than adequate processor |
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| [05:04:45] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, Don't think skiploop is mentioned in the HD-PVR stuff |
| [05:05:29] | BLACKthroat: | are any of you aware of a walkthrough for optimal video for the 350 |
| [05:05:33] | BLACKthroat: | i feel that i have a lot of questions |
| [05:05:38] | wagnerrp: | ive not actually looked through it... (not having an hdpvr and all) |
| [05:05:47] | BLACKthroat: | and rather than asking a million of them |
| [05:06:05] | wagnerrp: | input or output? |
| [05:06:07] | BLACKthroat: | there is somewhere that i could read up |
| [05:06:10] | BLACKthroat: | outpout |
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| [05:08:26] | iamlindoro: | BLACKthroat, Nothing that's likely to be up to date-- that code is more or less deprecated and is likely going to disappear from myth one of these days... don't think there's a lot of people using them any more as the GPU is a much, much better choice for TV out on a modern system |
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| [05:11:08] | BLACKthroat: | maybe i don't fully understand what you are saying |
| [05:11:21] | BLACKthroat: | but my gpu is a geforce 5200 |
| [05:11:40] | wagnerrp: | so... use the output on the geforce |
| [05:12:19] | BLACKthroat: | i am doing that |
| [05:12:29] | BLACKthroat: | on my lcd for the time being |
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| [05:12:38] | BLACKthroat: | sorry maybe i wasn't clear earlier |
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| [05:12:51] | wagnerrp: | standard definition mpeg decoding (which is the limit of hardware acceleration on the 350) can be done just fine by any desktop processor made in the last decade |
| [05:13:14] | iamlindoro: | When you said "output," it seems you actually meant "input?" |
| [05:13:22] | BLACKthroat: | iamlindoro, yes |
| [05:13:23] | iamlindoro: | That's not unclear, it's wrong :) |
| [05:13:28] | BLACKthroat: | yeah..haha |
| [05:13:38] | iamlindoro: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/IVTV |
| [05:13:38] | BLACKthroat: | the output looked like shit |
| [05:13:45] | BLACKthroat: | but was due to the input settings |
| [05:13:46] | BLACKthroat: | =P |
| [05:13:52] | iamlindoro: | no swearing allowed in here |
| [05:14:00] | wagnerrp: | record at full resolution, make sure your signal is good, and crank up the bitrate |
| [05:14:11] | iamlindoro: | anyway, in short, bitrate up, resolution at 720x480, that's about it |
| [05:14:36] | BLACKthroat: | ok |
| [05:14:57] | BLACKthroat: | this really makes me want to get a hd tuner |
| [05:15:12] | IOU: | grrr, find_meta.py wont work |
| [05:15:28] | wagnerrp: | keep bumping up the bitrate until you get to a point where you are satisfied with the quality |
| [05:15:41] | wagnerrp: | if you are not satisfied with how much disk space it will consume, buy more hard drives |
| [05:16:24] | BLACKthroat: | yeah i have roughly 300gb devoted for mythtv recordings |
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| [05:16:35] | BLACKthroat: | i'm probably going to want to get a 500gb hd |
| [05:16:52] | wagnerrp: | you should not bother with a 500gb drive |
| [05:17:13] | BLACKthroat: | why not? |
| [05:17:33] | BLACKthroat: | terrabyte? |
| [05:17:54] | wagnerrp: | the best price/GB is probably from 640GB or 1TB drives |
| [05:18:23] | BLACKthroat: | yeah i just scoped out prices now and a 1tb is pretty dang cheap |
| [05:18:43] | wagnerrp: | last i checked, TB drives were nearing $100 |
| [05:18:55] | BLACKthroat: | yup |
| [05:19:07] | BLACKthroat: | seagate 32mb cache 7200 for 99 |
| [05:19:21] | wagnerrp: | are seagates safe now? |
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| [05:19:33] | BLACKthroat: | reliable? |
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| [05:20:03] | wagnerrp: | as in... not loaded with a firmware with included time bomb |
| [05:20:25] | BLACKthroat: | unaware of this |
| [05:20:38] | BLACKthroat: | i've always stuck with wd |
| [05:20:50] | wagnerrp: | apparently there was a bug with one of the disk performance counters |
| [05:21:14] | wagnerrp: | if the disk was powered down right after (or before?) the counter rolled over, the drive was now dead |
| [05:21:57] | wagnerrp: | it was one batch of firmwares |
| [05:22:09] | wagnerrp: | on 7200.11 drives |
| [05:22:43] | BLACKthroat: | hmm |
| [05:22:58] | BLACKthroat: | somewhat recently? |
| [05:23:49] | wagnerrp: | beginning of the year |
| [05:24:05] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro had a couple die at home, and a couple dozen at work |
| [05:24:27] | wagnerrp: | some quick googling will explain it |
| [05:24:39] | iamlindoro: | fun times |
| [05:24:42] | iamlindoro: | I don't miss them |
| [05:24:50] | BLACKthroat: | heh |
| [05:26:34] | wagnerrp: | the first fix seagate put out bricked a large percentage of the drives |
| [05:26:57] | wagnerrp: | and IIRC, the firmware installer would automatically apply to all compatible disks in the system |
| [05:27:10] | wagnerrp: | bricking all of them in one shot, without a chance to test it on one disk |
| [05:27:56] | BLACKthroat: | did seagate offer any sort of compenstation for lost data? |
| [05:28:03] | BLACKthroat: | free recovery services? |
| [05:28:11] | wagnerrp: | i think they offered some form of free recovery service |
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| [05:30:07] | sphery: | iamlindoro: Someone shares your dream... http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/373477#373477 |
| [05:30:18] | wagnerrp: | newegg has a samsung of the same price |
| [05:30:27] | wagnerrp: | i love my samsung drives |
| [05:30:36] | wagnerrp: | 4+ years of heavy use on some of them, not a failure fyet |
| [05:31:59] | wagnerrp: | only $300 for the (sold out) WD 2TBs |
| [05:32:53] | BLACKthroat: | hmm |
| [05:33:05] | BLACKthroat: | at some point the bitrate tops out though correct? |
| [05:33:51] | BLACKthroat: | the input of the 350 is only going to be so good |
| [05:34:17] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Adding it to recorded/pginfo is useless without a source for the info |
| [05:34:41] | sphery: | yeah... |
| [05:34:59] | sphery: | tvdb, someday, maybe? |
| [05:35:06] | iamlindoro: | sphery, That said, the new tvdb script allows for passing the series name and episode title and getting that info back |
| [05:35:41] | iamlindoro: | sphery, So what we really need is to get the metadata download stuff into the libs so that we can call it from the scheduler and pull the info automatically |
| [05:35:51] | iamlindoro: | (and so I can use it for fun UI fanciness) |
| [05:36:10] | wagnerrp: | BLACKthroat: there really isnt any noticeable difference above 7–8Mbps |
| [05:36:48] | wagnerrp: | but there is a very noticeable difference between the default 4400kbps, and the 6600kbps i run mine at |
| [05:37:14] | sphery: | iamlindoro: Weren't you supposed to be done with that by now? I've been away for 2 days and come back to find you've been slacking? |
| [05:37:14] | clever: | found a potential problem with my scheduling |
| [05:37:25] | clever: | over 200 channels in the 'channel' table that lack any guide data |
| [05:37:28] | BLACKthroat: | wagnerrp, thanks |
| [05:37:28] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Didn't even *look* at the PC until late tonight, I'm slacking |
| [05:37:49] | wagnerrp: | clever: why would that be a problem, youre not going to have any conflicts if theres nothing to watch |
| [05:38:30] | clever: | wagnerrp: its taking over 60 seconds to rescedule |
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| [05:39:07] | clever: | if i delete half these useless channels it should speed up some |
| [05:39:51] | clever: | from a poke at mythtv-setup -v database, i can see that its not trying to clean up any other tables |
| [05:39:51] | wagnerrp: | that beastly 400MHz P2 still your primary BE? |
| [05:39:55] | clever: | yes |
| [05:40:12] | clever: | and it worked fine until schedulesdirect caught up with the massive lineup changes |
| [05:40:48] | clever: | mysql> delete from channel where chanid in (select chanid from channel where chanid not in (select distinct chanid from program)); |
| [05:41:26] | clever: | delete all chanid's that arent mentioned in the program table! |
| [05:41:35] | clever: | ERROR 1093 (HY000): You can't specify target table 'channel' for update in FROM clause |
| [05:41:38] | clever: | crap:P |
| [05:42:21] | clever: | ok, solved:) |
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| [05:47:38] | BLACKthroat: | ivtv does not have a deinterlacer correct? |
| [05:47:40] | clever: | 2009-03–01 01:46:44.489 Reschedule requested for id 5309. |
| [05:48:05] | clever: | wagnerrp: do you know what the numbers mean in the other schedule message? |
| [05:48:08] | wagnerrp: | interlaced input... interlaced output... i would assume there would be no deinterlacer |
| [05:48:31] | wagnerrp: | clever: not a clue (dont even know what messages youre talking about) |
| [05:48:36] | wagnerrp: | aboot |
| [05:48:37] | clever: | 2009-03–01 01:45:54.928 scheduler: Scheduled items: Scheduled 1199 items in 104.6 = 1.27 match + 103.34 place |
| [05:48:41] | clever: | that one |
| [05:48:57] | clever: | 2009-03–01 01:48:44.406 scheduler: Scheduled items: Scheduled 1199 items in 117.5 = 1.29 match + 116.17 place |
| [05:49:18] | clever: | 2 whole minutes to reschedule |
| [05:49:26] | wagnerrp: | 104 seconds, 1.27 spent matching to scheduled recordings, 103 spent arranging them on tuners |
| [05:49:35] | wagnerrp: | but 1199 items??? |
| [05:49:40] | clever: | ah |
| [05:49:58] | wagnerrp: | i get like 1/10 that |
| [05:50:14] | wagnerrp: | my last run was 101 shows |
| [05:50:26] | clever: | mythtv@theP4:~$ mythbackend -v none --printsched|wc -l |
| [05:50:26] | clever: | 1201 |
| [05:51:51] | clever: | lets cancle the simpsons and see how it changes |
| [05:52:12] | wagnerrp: | hah, yeah... thats probably 100 shows in and of itself |
| [05:52:24] | clever: | 183 acording to the tiny script i just wrote:P |
| [05:52:53] | clever: | mostly previously recorded or recorded earlyer |
| [05:53:23] | clever: | 2009-03–01 01:53:17.998 scheduler: Scheduled items: Scheduled 1017 items in 94.1 = 0.24 match + 93.82 place |
| [05:54:51] | BLACKthroat: | is there a setting i need to change that when i'm viewing the guide and hit enter/space it tunes into the channel rather than record settings? |
| [05:55:21] | wagnerrp: | seems eureka starts back up tuesday |
| [05:56:25] | clever: | the other big problem this is causing |
| [05:56:41] | clever: | every time i delete a recording the frontend times out waiting for the masterbe |
| [05:56:46] | clever: | and then core dumps half the time |
| [05:56:57] | wagnerrp: | since it reruns the scheduler? |
| [05:57:03] | clever: | yeah |
| [05:57:09] | clever: | to take the deleted recording into account |
| [05:57:14] | clever: | even if i said dont record again |
| [05:57:20] | clever: | 2009-03–01 01:56:30.209 scheduler: Scheduled items: Scheduled 867 items in 76.2 = 1.07 match + 75.09 place |
| [05:57:26] | wagnerrp: | you obviously have too many channels (or recording schedules) for that processor |
| [05:57:31] | wagnerrp: | upgrade |
| [05:57:44] | clever: | 188 rules |
| [05:57:55] | wagnerrp: | does craigslist exist in canada? |
| [05:58:06] | clever: | lets cancle csi miami next and see if it has another major chunk of the time |
| [05:58:27] | wagnerrp: | quick guess, i have something like 30–35 rules |
| [05:58:31] | clever: | my masterbe was on the 1.6ghz system |
| [05:58:49] | clever: | but the ivtv drivers crapped out and instead of rebooting the central server daily |
| [05:58:54] | clever: | i moved it to a less important box |
| [05:59:10] | clever: | if i could run the master without any tuners, i could move things arround to a better layout |
| [05:59:16] | wagnerrp: | companies are always offloading their old hardware |
| [05:59:28] | wagnerrp: | old desktops, old servers, always on the cheap |
| [05:59:37] | clever: | theres tons of old stuff just sitting in the basement of the hospitals my dad works for |
| [05:59:38] | wagnerrp: | pick up a nice older box for ~$100 |
| [05:59:47] | clever: | they just shove a drill thru the harddrive and dispose of it |
| [06:00:03] | clever: | ive got a giant sun ultra 10 here just taking up space |
| [06:00:24] | clever: | if i could network boot the thing i could put it to use |
| [06:00:44] | clever: | but can mythbackend compile on such a cpu? |
| [06:01:26] | clever: | 2009-03–01 02:01:19.927 scheduler: Scheduled items: Scheduled 802 items in 65.0 = 0.20 match + 64.83 place |
| [06:02:09] | sphery: | wow... the Boxee/Hulu? thread is a nice same-old, same-old... These are their terms, if you don't like it, don't use it... But their terms are stupid, so I can do what I want... (over and over again) |
| [06:04:18] | clever: | wagnerrp: assuming i can get a normal linux distro working on a sparc cpu, how hard would it be to compile mythtv? |
| [06:04:30] | wagnerrp: | i have no clue |
| [06:04:53] | clever: | 2009-03–01 02:04:24.049 scheduler: Scheduled items: Scheduled 759 items in 52.3 = 0.38 match + 51.93 place |
| [06:04:58] | clever: | got it under 1 minute |
| [06:05:16] | keith4_: | debian has great sparc support |
| [06:05:34] | keith4_: | netbooting a sun is a pain in the ass, though. you'll need bootp, iirc |
| [06:05:34] | clever: | i know i can get linux itself on a sparc |
| [06:05:38] | wagnerrp: | here we go... a P4 1.6 MGHz |
| [06:05:52] | clever: | i allready have a 1.6ghz P4, its horid slow:P |
| [06:06:02] | clever: | and takes alot of power |
| [06:06:04] | wagnerrp: | pentium 4s in the petahertz range... thats some damned impressive overclocking |
| [06:07:14] | clever: | mysql> select * from record where title not in (select distinct title from program); |
| [06:07:22] | clever: | every recording rule that cant find a program! |
| [06:08:04] | clever: | even though it matches 0 programs, the dumb thing will probly want to reschedule after each one |
| [06:08:54] | wagnerrp: | my last schedule took a whopping 0.7s |
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| [06:09:24] | clever: | lol |
| [06:10:26] | clever: | let me clear out all the rules that do nothing |
| [06:11:12] | wagnerrp: | gotta love those exponentially growing algorithms |
| [06:11:38] | clever: | yeah |
| [06:12:06] | clever: | ive got over 100 rules in record where the 'title' never shows up in `program` |
| [06:12:13] | clever: | those SHOULD simply be ignored completely |
| [06:12:44] | clever: | 2009-03–01 02:11:03.690 scheduler: Scheduled items: Scheduled 722 items in 62.4 = 0.09 match + 62.26 place |
| [06:12:48] | clever: | 2009-03–01 02:12:06.601 scheduler: Scheduled items: Scheduled 722 items in 60.9 = 0.23 match + 60.71 place |
| [06:12:55] | clever: | but each time i remove one, it seems to get faster |
| [06:13:05] | wagnerrp: | remember, you are matching rules in a fraction of a second |
| [06:13:14] | wagnerrp: | its the ordering that takes time |
| [06:13:25] | wagnerrp: | each time you rerun the scanner, its just running off cached data |
| [06:13:32] | clever: | once it finds every episode that i have marked to record? |
| [06:14:12] | clever: | 2009-03–01 02:13:45.197 scheduler: Scheduled items: Scheduled 722 items in 42.9 = 0.15 match + 42.75 place |
| [06:14:44] | wagnerrp: | maybe it is in fact running through those schedules |
| [06:15:09] | clever: | im trying to open up a gnone-panel graph to see what the cpu usage is like |
| [06:18:46] | clever: | i can clearly see its iobound now |
| [06:18:56] | clever: | Cpu(s): 10.3%us, 10.4%sy, 0.0%ni, 0.0%id, 68.9%wa, 4.6%hi, 5.8%si, 0.0%st |
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| [06:19:38] | clever: | i think thats purely nfs load |
| [06:20:32] | clever: | 2009-03–01 02:20:19.642 scheduler: Scheduled items: Scheduled 722 items in 345.7 = 0.57 match + 345.13 place |
| [06:21:05] | clever: | i think that was caused by loading gnome |
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| [06:34:52] | clever: | wagnerrp: do you know what i would have to do to run a masterbe without tuners? |
| [06:42:26] | plipp: | I have a interlacing-mismatch somewhere. Video Looks good but the OSD flickers unless I change to Progressive. But then I'll get "scanlines" on the video. I'm using a 1080i plasma. |
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| [06:45:16] | Richtopia: | Hello, I was wondering if anyone knew what the command line equivelant of launching the mythtv internal player would be? |
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| [06:47:12] | clever: | Richtopia: 'mythtv' |
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| [06:48:24] | Richtopia: | thank you |
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| [06:51:52] | clever: | 2009-03–01 02:51:37.737 scheduler: Scheduled items: Scheduled 615 items in 39.6 = 0.94 match + 38.68 place |
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| [07:33:06] | plipp: | no one? |
| [07:35:36] | ccfreak2k: | It seems the opengl painter is a lot faster on my GeForce4 MX than it is on the TNT2/Ati Rage 128 Pro. |
| [07:36:03] | ccfreak2k: | GreyFoxx, are you around? |
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| [07:58:31] | mchou: | ccfreak2k: tnt2? come on man |
| [07:58:41] | ccfreak2k: | Hey, it's the only thing I had. |
| [07:58:54] | ccfreak2k: | Except for an S3 of some kind. |
| [07:59:06] | ccfreak2k: | S3 Virge/VX. |
| [07:59:13] | mchou: | ccfreak2k: Geforce4 MX at least supports xvmc |
| [07:59:16] | Aryk: | Do you have a Pentium 100 to go with that? ;) |
| [08:00:24] | mchou: | Aryk: P100 is the wrong era for tnt2 |
| [08:00:41] | Aryk: | I know :P |
| [08:00:47] | mchou: | tnt2 came out around P400, iirc |
| [08:00:49] | Aryk: | still old and crusty tho ;) |
| [08:02:21] | ccfreak2k: | mchou, nah. Needs PureVideo. |
| [08:02:32] | ccfreak2k: | mchou, 1999ish. |
| [08:02:42] | ccfreak2k: | No, earlier than that. |
| [08:02:51] | mchou: | ccfreak2k: what's earlier? |
| [08:03:00] | ccfreak2k: | Vanta. |
| [08:03:07] | ccfreak2k: | Oh, I mean the TNT2 was earlier than 99. |
| [08:03:50] | mchou: | when did p400 come out? |
| [08:03:54] | ccfreak2k: | I'm also trying to find documentation for my plasma TV so I can figure out if the serial port does anything fun. |
| [08:04:11] | ccfreak2k: | Aryk, laugh if you want, but I do have a Pentium MMX (133) in a box. |
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| [08:04:34] | Aryk: | eep :) |
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| [08:05:15] | ** Aryk is attempting to figure out if a bunch of wyse winterms he acquired can do anything interesting for him ** | |
| [08:06:00] | mchou: | Aryk: sure. ltsp |
| [08:06:23] | Aryk: | oo! missed that |
| [08:06:27] | ** Aryk explores the google ** | |
| [08:08:02] | Aryk: | tho I should concentrate on beating my lircd into submission first |
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| [08:10:21] | ccfreak2k: | Actually my card might support xvmc. |
| [08:10:32] | ccfreak2k: | Even if it does, tho, I have no MPEG1/2 sources. |
| [08:10:40] | ccfreak2k: | Not yet anyway. |
| [08:14:05] | plipp: | Maybe people have woken up now, so I'll try again. :) |
| [08:14:05] | plipp: | Video quality is fine but the OSD is flickering. If I toggle Interlaced to Progressive, OSD works fine, but I get "scanlines" on the video. This is a 1080p plasma. Suggestions? |
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| [09:19:09] | justinh: | well, the dog's still alive after eating a frog in the garden last night. |
| [09:19:58] | clever: | lol |
| [09:25:40] | AndyCap: | and now the dog's hooked on them? :P |
| [09:28:50] | waxhead: | another question without notice... how can I set up myth so that when it wants to record something to grab one of the tuners NOT being used to watch live tv? |
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| [09:29:06] | waxhead: | took too much fiddling around to switch inputs |
| [09:32:37] | justinh: | plipp: you should try a different deinterlacer. set that in utils/setup > setup >tv settings > playback within the video playback profiles pages |
| [09:33:05] | justinh: | waxhead: just don't watch livetv :P |
| [09:33:23] | justinh: | that's my answer to everything :D |
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| [09:49:30] | waxhead: | fair enough... |
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| [09:52:14] | Dibblah: | Is anyone else being hit by what appears to be the IOWAIT bug? |
| [09:52:39] | clever: | sounds like something im bound to get |
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| [10:26:41] | mortne: | Nothing happens when I select 'Watch TV' from the main menu screen in myth tv. The prompt says 'GetEntryAt(-1) failed' and 'TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started' |
| [10:27:53] | mortne: | I used to have a NOVA TD500 dvb-tuner but has now replaced it with a PVR-350 and PVR-500 – and told myth to 'delete all capture cards' and configured the new ones (I think) |
| [10:28:38] | mortne: | Any ideas? |
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| [10:32:05] | justinh: | mortne: you should look in your backend log |
| [10:32:39] | justinh: | so you replaced a dual digital tuner with 3 analogue tuners. curious |
| [10:33:07] | justinh: | oh wait.. just deleting the old tuners won't have been enough. digital channels work differently to analogue |
| [10:33:21] | justinh: | you'll have to set up all your channels again |
| [10:33:30] | mortne: | Got an analog cable signal with more channels than available on dvb-t |
| [10:34:07] | mortne: | I already did go through the xmltv & channel binding thing – but obviously something is missing. |
| [10:34:21] | plipp1: | justinh: Thanks, I've read about something similiar before, but never found that menu. (interlacing issue). :) |
| [10:34:21] | plipp1: | Any comments about the different interlacers? |
| [10:34:21] | justinh: | probably tuning information |
| [10:34:40] | justinh: | plipp1: experiment & see which deinterlacing method looks best to you |
| [10:34:52] | justinh: | and FWIW the menu is not hard to find |
| [10:35:05] | mortne: | backend log says Error: GetCurrentChannelNum(1): Failed to find channel.. Will try reconfiguring. Thanks for the hint! |
| [10:35:35] | justinh: | wooo. 2.0TB HDDs are go |
| [10:35:45] | justinh: | pity WD were first |
| [10:36:03] | mortne: | plipp1: It's under the third setup page – you have to press edit to get to the deinterlace options.. |
| [10:36:49] | plipp1: | justinh: well no, as long as one knows that there infact is a horde of menus under the profile, which I do now. :) |
| [10:36:49] | plipp1: | Anyway, I was just wondering whether there has been any interesting discussions about the different interlacers among myth-tv people. |
| [10:37:16] | justinh: | NO, as long as somebody sits in front of the menus getting to know them better... !!!!! |
| [10:37:22] | plipp1: | mortne: Yes, I've found it already |
| [10:37:48] | justinh: | woah imagine that.. sitting in front of a program trying to become more familiar with it. That must be up there with reading its manual |
| [10:39:58] | justinh: | there has never been an interesting discussion about deinterlacing. Ever |
| [10:40:06] | justinh: | much like RAID or LVM. ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| [10:40:19] | plipp1: | eh |
| [10:40:40] | justinh: | greedy2x looks about the best you can do in software |
| [10:41:27] | justinh: | if your system can cope with doing that and play back video smoothly.. without burning your house down through CPU produced heat.. use that :) |
| [10:42:17] | plipp1: | sounds way too greedy for my taste |
| [10:42:26] | justinh: | groan |
| [10:42:58] | justinh: | looks the best by far. Better than the next best (which would be Bob 2x) |
| [10:43:51] | justinh: | basically, the better the deinterlacing looks (software based ones anyway) the more CPU it'll take – so it'd have to be a tradeoff for you |
| [10:44:49] | justinh: | the lowest CPU usage deinterlacers are 'blend' and 'onefield'.. they look like crap but use very little CPU |
| [10:47:27] | justinh: | it'd be nicer if it was easier to change the deinterlacing method quickly but nobody says everything worthwhile has to be easy |
| [10:49:53] | plipp1: | bob2x didn't seem to make any difference. Greedy pyromaniac 2x works |
| [10:50:40] | mortne: | Hmm... I'm puzzled – I set up the card, I did a channel scan – it added channels. I set the default channel for the tuner, but still it says 'Error: Failed to set channel to E11' – I verified that E11 was one of the channels that it found during the scan. What am I missing? |
| [10:51:16] | justinh: | mortne: when you deleted the old tuners you should really have deleted all the channels & video sources associated with them |
| [10:51:32] | justinh: | you'd basically be starting from scratch |
| [10:52:25] | justinh: | personally I wouldn't have bothered with the pvr350 card & would just have left the DVB tuner in there. Your cable provider might go digital one day :P |
| [10:52:33] | plipp1: | whaa.. even my ..eh.. "horizontal-line-flickery-rolling-screen" problem seems to be gone. I thought that was another issue |
| [10:52:59] | justinh: | see.. sometimes it's GOOD to be greedy :) |
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| [10:53:22] | mortne: | The dvb-card was only dvb-T, so that would do me no good, I think... |
| [10:53:28] | justinh: | looking forward to seeing how good the vdpau deinterlacers are |
| [10:54:42] | mortne: | Do I need to do anything database-wise to start from scratch – or is the GUI-removal enough? |
| [10:57:27] | justinh: | I meant starting from scratch with respect to the channels & video sources |
| [10:58:11] | mortne: | Is this a bad sign: When adding the card, I can select not only three values from 'video device' – but multiple for each tuner, e.g. the PVR-350 is (/dev/)video0, video16, video24, video32, and video48 |
| [10:58:28] | plipp1: | The problem still seems to be there, maybe it's just a bit less apparent now. Sometimes one can see a sharp horizontal line usually in the middle of the screen or within 1/3th from the top of the screen. Is that called tearing? And in that case I think I've read that it's a dma bug |
| [10:58:30] | justinh: | if you delete a tuner, and replace it with one of a completely different type the old videosource & channels are no longer relevant and should be deleted |
| [10:59:23] | justinh: | mortne: usually the _lowest_ device node |
| [10:59:52] | justinh: | mortne: your pvr350 might be /dev/video0, tuner1 on the pvr500 might be /dev/video1 and tuner2 on the pvr500 might be /dev/video2 |
| [11:00:30] | mortne: | Why are there multiple? |
| [11:00:32] | justinh: | you need to _know_ |
| [11:00:39] | justinh: | because they're different parts of the cards |
| [11:00:50] | justinh: | the ones myth needs to use are the lowest numbered ones |
| [11:01:55] | justinh: | the pvr350 has: mpeg encoder, mpeg decoder, VBI device.. they all appear at different device nodes |
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| [11:02:11] | justinh: | the only one you need concern yourself with is the lowest one |
| [11:03:15] | mortne: | Okay, I will not trouble my mind with the details of the others |
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| [11:06:01] | Dibblah: | Well, that _is_ interesting. Verbose logging through Myth is triggering the iowait bug for me. |
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| [11:30:32] | gbee: | redirect it, does that help? |
| [11:30:59] | gbee: | or send it to the log -l |
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| [11:38:47] | mortne: | Hmmm.. Now I configured only the 350 card with its channels, and selecting Watch TV now gives me about 30 seconds of black screen and a message in the backend log that says 'ioctl VIDIOC_G_FMT: Invalid argument and 'NVR(/dev/video0): Won't work with the streaming interface, falling back' |
| [11:39:34] | mortne: | 'strange error flushing buffer' and on the next line 'VIDIOCGMBUF:: Invalid argument' |
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| [11:49:34] | mortne: | Does that mean anything to anyone? |
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| [11:56:39] | mortne: | For the record, that is what you get for configuring the PVR-cards from Hauppauge as Analogue V4L-cards... |
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| [12:40:49] | perlmonkey: | hi guys, i just installed a pvr-150 into a system, and although the dmesg looks ok and it records on cat test, its only recording static.. i got svideo input going in from a stb so i know it should be recording, i verified input on another card |
| [12:40:52] | perlmonkey: | any ideas? |
| [12:43:09] | perlmonkey: | this is actually 1 of 2 pvr150's i got, the first one just won't even record on cat test |
| [12:45:45] | perlmonkey: | i also have been testing a Compro Videomate T220 which is a dvb/analog hybrid card, interesting I can get the analogue working in VLC, but not in mythtv or cat test, and the dvb seems to be a total non-starter, its not even creating the dvb dev's in /dev.. anyone got any experiences or info on this card? |
| [12:49:07] | perlmonkey: | finally, I also have an adaptec VideoOh! card which is working ok in Mythtv, although the quality of recording is not great |
| [12:49:35] | perlmonkey: | any tips on how to improve the playback/recording quality? |
| [12:50:11] | perlmonkey: | think thats all for now :-) |
| [12:50:49] | perlmonkey: | ok, can anyone recommended a dvb/analogue input card that works out of the box? |
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| [12:56:28] | kardiel: | Is it possible to use mythtv as a digitalbox? |
| [12:56:40] | perlmonkey: | how do you mean, digitalbox? |
| [12:56:44] | perlmonkey: | dvb? |
| [12:57:20] | perlmonkey: | you can certainly receive and record digital and output to a digital tv, so i guess the answer is yes |
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| [12:59:06] | kardiel: | yes |
| [12:59:30] | kardiel: | so i can search for channels in mythtv and use it as a dvb then? |
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| [12:59:45] | kardiel: | if i have a digital tv in card |
| [12:59:46] | kardiel: | so i can search for channels in mythtv and use it as a dvb then? |
| [12:59:47] | kardiel: | ? |
| [12:59:56] | perlmonkey: | yes you can |
| [13:00:25] | perlmonkey: | providing your dvb card is supported of course |
| [13:00:49] | perlmonkey: | mine doesn't seem to be |
| [13:06:23] | kardiel: | ok |
| [13:07:47] | perlmonkey: | ive been using mythtv with analogue tuner cards for many years but taken a break from it from the past year |
| [13:08:00] | perlmonkey: | after i purchased a commercial hdd recorder |
| [13:08:46] | perlmonkey: | now i want to try mythtv again with dvb |
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| [13:19:31] | perlmonkey: | hi |
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| [13:20:47] | perlmonkey: | monkey see monkey do |
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| [14:02:44] | justinh: | ooo rendezvous with rama is on radio 4 |
| [14:03:44] | justinh: | today, as it turns out. 3pm. part 2 is next week :) |
| [14:04:58] | justinh: | gbee: still can't figure out why my frontend is bringing the osd menu up with both I & M. Going to try a different OSD theme |
| [14:05:44] | justinh: | the position info blips up momentarily when I is pressed, but then a fraction of a sec later the osd menu appears |
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| [14:11:20] | justinh: | nope. still the same with blue-osd. what the hell? |
| [14:11:36] | justinh: | wonder if I have a keybindings snafu |
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| [14:13:13] | perlmonkey: | hello justinh |
| [14:13:22] | justinh: | select * from keybindings where hostname="core2frontend" and keybindings.keylist="I"; shows nothing untoward. Hmm |
| [14:13:25] | justinh: | hi perlmonkey |
| [14:13:38] | ** perlmonkey is testing a variety of capture cards ** | |
| [14:14:23] | justinh: | is there any way to reset all the keybindings to defaults? I've not messed with them as far as I can remember, but that's not reliable |
| [14:14:43] | perlmonkey: | i dunno justin |
| [14:14:58] | justinh: | this is really bugging me now |
| [14:16:47] | perlmonkey: | im still figuring out how to stop a recording |
| [14:17:02] | perlmonkey: | i havent used myth in over a year, just getting back into it |
| [14:17:22] | justinh: | heh |
| [14:17:43] | justinh: | go into watch recordings.. there should be a 'stop recording' option available on the MENU |
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| [14:17:53] | justinh: | (with the recording selected) |
| [14:17:53] | perlmonkey: | aha thanks |
| [14:18:00] | maccco: | is svn.mythtv.org down? |
| [14:18:12] | perlmonkey: | there should be a shortcut key shouldnt there you would think |
| [14:20:05] | maccco: | anyone? |
| [14:21:19] | paul-h: | maccco: Yes it's been down a while now |
| [14:23:34] | maccco: | Too bad! Hours, or days? |
| [14:24:42] | poodyp_: | I was able to use it 5 hours ago |
| [14:25:48] | maccco: | is there any site admin here on irc? |
| [14:26:48] | maccco: | my gentoo wont install mythtv without cvs. My 3rd frontend is waiting |
| [14:26:58] | maccco: | *svn, not cvs |
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| [14:44:30] | Dibblah: | gbee: The problem appears with -l <logfile> |
| [14:44:42] | Dibblah: | Not tried a bare redirection. |
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| [14:49:44] | gbee: | right, I was thinking of a different issue where verbose logging to stdout/err caused video playback problems for reasons unknown to me, redirecting or using -l would fix it |
| [14:50:20] | gbee: | so not disk IO in that case and not the same problem |
| [14:51:10] | Dibblah: | Actually... It might be a similar issue. |
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| [15:45:38] | tomtom033: | How can I start to watch a recording before the recording is completely finished? |
| [15:45:46] | plipp1: | Should MythTV handle ISOs straight out of the box? |
| [15:51:07] | tomtom033: | . |
| [15:51:45] | gbee: | plipp1: yes, well assuming that the version of mythtv you have is one that uses the Internal media player by default |
| [15:53:17] | gbee: | 0.21 doesn't handle some newer disks so well since they employ anti-piracy techniques that require newer workarounds, that has been fixed for 0.22 and those changes _might_ just be backported to 0.21 |
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| [16:00:35] | perlmonkey: | has anyone had any success with a Compro Videomate T220 dvb card? (maybe called Kworld in other countries) |
| [16:01:11] | perlmonkey: | this card is showing as supported on Mythwiki site but I can't get the dvb side to work at all |
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| [16:03:25] | mortne: | Anyone who can help me setting up audio *outside* of mythtv – in myhbuntu? |
| [16:03:25] | mortne: | I have audio working within mythtv, but when I go to youtube with firefox, nothing is to be heard. Where do I set that up? |
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| [16:08:14] | glemsom_: | Is www.mythtv.org down atm? |
| [16:09:11] | plipp1: | glemsom_: I've been swearing over that half the day, so I guess so |
| [16:09:35] | glemsom_: | plipp1, Oh :/ |
| [16:11:07] | plipp1: | gbee: Well, it's just that when I have an ISO in /myth/video which seems to be some kind of "default directory" for videos, the video-category is completely empty. "No videos" it states |
| [16:11:46] | plipp1: | looking in /mythtv/video, it doesn't seem like the right place to put things, though |
| [16:12:22] | plipp1: | and as mythtv.org is down, what am I to do? :( |
| [16:13:12] | perlmonkey: | getting no recording from pvr-150 with cat test, dmesg shows ivtv0: i2c addr 0x44 not found for command.. hardware 0x0000001 (cx25840) not found for command.... |
| [16:13:13] | mortne: | plipp1: You have to go to the setup-> (something about manage videos) to do a scan |
| [16:13:15] | perlmonkey: | any ideas> |
| [16:14:16] | ** perlmonkey been going round in circles for hours ** | |
| [16:15:10] | tomtom033: | what is wrong when i cannot start to watch a recording until the recording is completely finished? |
| [16:15:37] | plipp1: | mortne: ah. Unfortunately my wife-to-be started to play Wii just about now, so I need to wait for a while |
| [16:16:30] | tomtom033: | LOL @plopp1 |
| [16:16:51] | mortne: | Okay, but when she's done, from the main menu, go Setup->Video Manager... Videos have to be in the directory set up in Media Settings in the back end (mythtv-setup) |
| [16:17:12] | plipp1: | tomtom033: And what's so funny about that? :p |
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| [16:18:01] | perlmonkey: | aint working guys :-/ |
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| [16:22:41] | plipp1: | thanks mortne. I'd imagine though that the default directory would be the same as set in the backend (/mythtv/video). |
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| [16:23:14] | tomtom033: | plipp1: the directory is fine, you can put all stuff there |
| [16:23:27] | tomtom033: | and also create folders there etc. |
| [16:23:47] | plipp1: | I just haven't scanned? |
| [16:23:51] | tomtom033: | yep |
| [16:24:05] | plipp1: | must've missed that obvious button |
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| [16:25:44] | tomtom033: | its not quite obvious, since it's buried in the setup... I would acutally like it to be easier |
| [16:26:59] | perlmonkey: | i've now tested 5 different capture cards and the only one i could get to work out of the box with MythTV is an Adaptec VideoOh! card |
| [16:28:09] | tomtom033: | perlmonkey: there are lists and FAQs... have you checked there? |
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| [16:28:57] | perlmonkey: | tomtom033: i have indeed |
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| [16:59:31] | reeesty: | do i plug my tuner card into my cable outlet or into my hdtv? |
| [17:00:01] | tomtom033: | the tuner card is a receiver only |
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| [17:13:39] | justinh: | hrm. still no programme info coming up when I press I |
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| [17:16:43] | justinh: | works fine on my backend |
| [17:16:51] | gbee: | and I is definately bound to INFO? |
| [17:16:56] | justinh: | definitely |
| [17:16:58] | justinh: | this is weird |
| [17:17:22] | justinh: | I might try copying keybindings from the backend to the frontend |
| [17:17:45] | justinh: | I can't remember ever changing anything, but you never know |
| [17:18:00] | justinh: | unless there's some other way to reset the keybindings to defaults |
| [17:18:24] | justinh: | thing is – the info actually comes up very briefly when I press the INFO key |
| [17:18:33] | gbee: | not a duplicate keybinding overriding the other? |
| [17:18:34] | justinh: | then the osd menu takes over |
| [17:18:47] | justinh: | not as far as I know |
| [17:19:02] | gbee: | SELECT * FROM keybindings WHERE keypress='I'; |
| [17:19:04] | gbee: | iirc |
| [17:19:56] | gbee: | SELECT * FROM keybindings WHERE keylist LIKE '%I%'; |
| [17:20:06] | justinh: | and hostname="hostname" ;) |
| [17:20:19] | justinh: | no duplicates under GLOBAL |
| [17:20:24] | gbee: | will return others containing I, but should be able to pick out anything relevant |
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| [17:20:47] | justinh: | already did that. nothing that leaps out |
| [17:21:00] | justinh: | and I confirmed that the INFO button on the remote only spits out one code |
| [17:21:31] | justinh: | maybe it's a bug – but the keypress detection is simple enough not to have anything like that creep in undetected |
| [17:22:10] | gbee: | bizarre |
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| [17:22:34] | justinh: | yup – hence my confuzzlement |
| [17:22:58] | justinh: | wonder what happens if I use a keyboard on the frontend |
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| [17:23:50] | Kazan: | something wrong with svn.mythtv.org? |
| [17:23:59] | gbee: | server is down |
| [17:24:02] | Kazan: | weee |
| [17:24:05] | Kazan: | figured |
| [17:24:08] | Kazan: | any ETA? |
| [17:24:13] | Aryk: | that'd be why it's telling me to bugger off :) |
| [17:24:18] | gbee: | nope, waiting for the hosts to get back to use |
| [17:24:21] | gbee: | us |
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| [17:24:32] | gbee: | although use is probably appropriate |
| [17:24:40] | kkuno: | someone is using powerline? |
| [17:24:45] | Kazan: | there is a script in contrib that will automatically convert a show to a lower-res .mp4 right? |
| [17:24:48] | kkuno: | i'm gonna buy 2 200mbps adaptors |
| [17:24:58] | ** Kazan just got Samsung Omnia ** | |
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| [17:25:08] | justinh: | oh ffs. had a duplicate entry in lircrc.. the 'info' button was also bound to OSD Browse, aka 'O' |
| [17:25:23] | justinh: | that shouldn't (in theory) affect it.. but let's see |
| [17:25:50] | ** gbee readys the trout ** | |
| [17:26:20] | justinh: | but 'O' isn't used when a recording is playing is it? |
| [17:26:23] | gbee: | readies |
| [17:26:54] | justinh: | browse mode would only be livetv related, I'd have thought... |
| [17:26:59] | gbee: | justinh: might have been made a synonym for M when in recordings, there are a few examples of that sort of nonsense |
| [17:27:16] | justinh: | I'll go see if it's fixed it |
| [17:28:00] | gbee: | i.e. someone wanting to use their wrist watch as a remote supplied a patch to make the behaviour of O context sensitive |
| [17:28:50] | justinh: | yay :D |
| [17:29:16] | justinh: | I've half a mind to go & find every fscking synonym in the code & eliminate it |
| [17:29:28] | Kazan: | someone got a good bitrate recommendation for 400x240 16:10 mp4? |
| [17:29:37] | justinh: | osd browse = O.. or M.. except on wednesdays when it's Y |
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| [17:30:43] | justinh: | ffs go to all the trouble of making your own OSD theme & couldn't even bloody use half of it because of an undocumented duplicate keybinding. grrr |
| [17:31:40] | justinh: | gbee: those buggers with one-button remotes can go find some other way to make their lives easier :P |
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| [17:34:58] | justinh: | so erm, if osd browse was bound to O, and is synonymous with M.. wouldn't that mess up bringing up the OSD menu in livetv? |
| [17:35:30] | AndyCap: | isn't this the job of lirc anyway? |
| [17:36:06] | justinh: | do I care enough to dig in the code & 'fix' it? Hrm |
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| [17:38:38] | gbee: | justinh: nah, I expect that in livetv O = Browse, M = Menu, it's only in recordings that O = M = Menu |
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| [17:39:45] | justinh: | that should be up to users to decide IMHO |
| [17:41:32] | justinh: | wonder if whoever sent the initial patch is still a contributor. heh |
| [17:42:23] | justinh: | if it was a theme enhancement or some minor thing I wouldn't hesitate just to commit it myself but not anything contentious like this |
| [17:42:45] | gbee: | svn blame might reveal the original commit, but if it's a heavily modified area of code then the original attribution will be lost |
| [17:43:15] | justinh: | might be a good idea to go in & clean up these synonymous bindings |
| [17:43:41] | justinh: | there's a can o worms though |
| [17:43:45] | justinh: | big can o worms |
| [17:44:35] | justinh: | I can live without having O on my remote anyway, not being a livetv user :) |
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| [17:47:14] | gbee: | you don't even need it to use browse mode, by default pressing up/down enters browse mode anyway |
| [17:47:42] | gbee: | I'm assuming those six button nuts wanted up/down to change the volume or skip etc |
| [17:48:36] | justinh: | can't all the devs afford proper remotes? :P |
| [17:49:12] | gbee: | not on what they pay us, no |
| [17:49:16] | justinh: | god I'd buy everybody with commits a decent remote if it'd help keep myth usable |
| [17:49:16] | gbee: | :p |
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| [17:55:26] | ** Aryk mutters about lircd ** | |
| [17:59:52] | gbee: | hauppauge |
| [18:00:25] | gbee: | Hope-Hog |
| [18:01:58] | ** Aryk takes note :P ** | |
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| [18:08:26] | Kazan: | svn.mythtv still down? |
| [18:09:15] | gbee: | uh-huh |
| [18:21:39] | Kazan: | hmm |
| [18:21:52] | Kazan: | i just tried to use the ipod export.. and i got unknown encoder xvid? |
| [18:23:18] | wagnerrp: | sounds like you didnt compile ffmpeg with xvid support |
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| [18:24:24] | Kazan: | i didn't compile ffmpeg at all |
| [18:24:37] | Kazan: | emphasis on compile |
| [18:24:50] | sphery: | iamlindoro: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2009/2/27/ |
| [18:24:55] | wagnerrp: | so then your distributor did not compile with ffmpeg |
| [18:25:15] | Kazan: | transcode can tell me the available codecs righ? |
| [18:25:17] | Kazan: | right* |
| [18:25:23] | wagnerrp: | sphery: yeah, thats about my opinion so far |
| [18:25:25] | justinh: | ffmpeg can |
| [18:25:35] | justinh: | ffmpeg -formats IIRC |
| [18:25:38] | Kazan: | i have playback support |
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| [18:26:20] | Kazan: | EV libxvid |
| [18:27:38] | Kazan: | not sure what the EV mean |
| [18:27:45] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, I haven't started watching it, but I'm thinking iamlindoro has been having troubles like that |
| [18:28:33] | wagnerrp: | the first episode was crap, the second was not considerably better |
| [18:28:43] | wagnerrp: | i didnt even bother watching the third |
| [18:28:53] | wagnerrp: | singing and dancing wasnt going to win me over anyway |
| [18:30:47] | justinh: | I better start cracking on with HighSchoolMusical3-wide |
| [18:30:56] | justinh: | signing & dancing ftw! |
| [18:31:21] | wagnerrp: | seriously... werent the first two enough? |
| [18:31:29] | wagnerrp: | is there actually a different plot with the third? |
| [18:31:32] | justinh: | dunno. never seen any of them |
| [18:31:42] | justinh: | 4 words... |
| [18:31:44] | wagnerrp: | did they just change the words? |
| [18:31:46] | justinh: | over my dead body |
| [18:32:04] | Kazan: | --enable-libxvid was in the compile options |
| [18:32:24] | wagnerrp: | yeah... ive been avoiding them like the plague... im just curious why they needed to make a third |
| [18:32:26] | justinh: | easier just to grab a ready-made ffmpeg which isn't crippled :) |
| [18:32:30] | wagnerrp: | other than the desire to milk the tweens |
| [18:32:54] | justinh: | wagnerrp: I can't work out which is worse.. gore flicks like SAW or HSM :P |
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| [18:34:19] | wagnerrp: | my old roommate waxed on about how WAS was an amazing movie |
| [18:34:31] | wagnerrp: | s/WAS/Saw/ |
| [18:35:01] | wagnerrp: | i saw the first one, was drunk and half conscious during the second one, i saw no value in them |
| [18:36:20] | justinh: | think you could make them even more sadistic though |
| [18:36:45] | Kazan: | they renamed some things |
| [18:36:47] | Kazan: | xvid->libxvid |
| [18:36:50] | Kazan: | aac->libfaac |
| [18:37:05] | wagnerrp: | i was just bothered by the entire concept... 'i have to make people value their lives... by killing them...'... WTF??? |
| [18:37:07] | justinh: | have somebody's only means of escape being that they have to call for help on the internet, but to get on the net they have to install stage 1 gentoo |
| [18:37:14] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, it doesn't help that fox is reordering htem, again |
| [18:37:42] | sphery: | (again, meaning like with Firefly) |
| [18:38:05] | gbee: | I have no interest in gore/torture/horror films, and since they currently make up between 50–75% of films being released over the last two/three years ... :/ |
| [18:38:54] | gbee: | justinh: lol |
| [18:38:58] | wagnerrp: | now stuff like the evil deads, or the throma films... at least you can laugh at those |
| [18:39:18] | wagnerrp: | but this fake realistic horror is worthless |
| [18:39:43] | Kazan: | so.. does ipodexport crop.. or scale? |
| [18:41:17] | Kazan: | soot svn isback |
| [18:41:20] | Kazan: | wot* |
| [18:41:30] | Kazan: | lol one handed typing |
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| [18:45:18] | justinh: | wagnerrp: no real suspense anymore :-\ |
| [18:45:40] | justinh: | still, somebody must be doing something right... cinema revenues are on the up |
| [18:46:03] | Kazan: | they always are during a recession |
| [18:47:25] | justinh: | awww. how cool http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7917842.stm |
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| [19:06:51] | BenB: | hey.. how many of you have UPnP AV oder DLNA hardware players, like xbox, playstation, dlink etc., and think they are appropriate for watching video? |
| [19:07:03] | BenB: | (or have them and do not think they are appropriate, and why?) |
| [19:07:35] | Rince: | BenB: I do have a PS3 and for videos it is great, especially because of the hdmi-output :) |
| [19:09:27] | BenB: | Rince: do you use it with mythtv? |
| [19:09:43] | BenB: | (or doesn't it work?) |
| [19:10:13] | Rince: | BenB: no, it doesn't work |
| [19:10:21] | Rince: | but I don't know how to enable upnp, so... :-) |
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| [19:15:15] | plipp: | you guys have/had problems with tearing? |
| [19:18:21] | plipp: | oh, and now I know why MythTv.org hasn't worked today.. new site. |
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| [19:23:02] | BLACKthroat: | say i wanted to get a hd dual tuner. what would be a good option? |
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| [19:23:59] | wagnerrp: | i think divco makes a dual tuner |
| [19:24:11] | wagnerrp: | the hdtv fusion or something |
| [19:24:26] | wagnerrp: | or you can grab a hdhomerun (which is not a card but an ethernet attached box) |
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| [19:25:35] | BLACKthroat: | dual tuner is the way to go though yeah? |
| [19:25:39] | BLACKthroat: | thats the reason i got the 350 |
| [19:25:45] | BLACKthroat: | the dual tuner and hardware encoding |
| [19:25:51] | justinh: | plipp: nah. the new site isn't so new |
| [19:26:14] | wagnerrp: | the 350 does not have a dual tuner |
| [19:26:31] | plipp: | justinh: ah |
| [19:27:45] | BenB: | BLACKthroat: you're talking about ATSC – digital TV via terristrial, in HD? |
| [19:28:04] | BenB: | BLACKthroat: that has nothing to do with the PVR350, that is an analog tuner. |
| [19:28:33] | BenB: | BLACKthroat: with ATSC, you don't need hardware encoding, because you get the MPEG stream directly from the station from the airwaves |
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| [19:35:51] | perlmonkey: | im not getting any channel on coax |
| [19:37:12] | perlmonkey: | ive got a cable going from my cable set top box "TV Out" into my coax "TV antenna" on my card, and all i get is white noise, even tho in Input Connection it detected 2 channels, presumably the cable box |
| [19:37:26] | justinh: | passthru doesn't work on the cable box |
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| [19:37:33] | perlmonkey: | I've verified the cable from set top box in TV and can see theres a signal |
| [19:37:34] | justinh: | thought that was more well known :) |
| [19:37:41] | perlmonkey: | it worked before |
| [19:37:44] | justinh: | really? |
| [19:37:54] | perlmonkey: | ya i used to record loads off cable for years |
| [19:38:06] | BenB: | perlmonkey: "TV out" != pass through |
| [19:38:07] | justinh: | duh sorry I was confuzzled there. it's actual RF output the STBs lack |
| [19:38:12] | perlmonkey: | oh |
| [19:38:19] | perlmonkey: | what is pass thru? |
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| [19:38:33] | justinh: | passthrough is where the input gets passed through to the output |
| [19:38:59] | BenB: | perlmonkey: "pass through" is when the box copies the input signal to an output, to allow several devices being connected to one wall socket. |
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| [19:39:07] | perlmonkey: | well it's like an antenna lead, the one that normally goes into back of tv instead of an antenna on roof |
| [19:39:10] | BenB: | perlmonkey: this is what you want, but apparently don't have |
| [19:39:31] | perlmonkey: | it carries audio and picture |
| [19:39:35] | BenB: | perlmonkey: "TV out" is just that the cable box *display* wants to show in the TV. i.e. the menu, the decoded playback video etc.. |
| [19:39:45] | perlmonkey: | yes |
| [19:39:56] | BenB: | perlmonkey: "TV out" is just the same as SMART or HDMI via RF, for very old TVs. |
| [19:39:58] | justinh: | virgin media STBs haven't had RF outputs since digital came in |
| [19:40:04] | perlmonkey: | thats right |
| [19:40:23] | perlmonkey: | I got an old box had it 9 years now |
| [19:40:26] | justinh: | but apparently they do pass RF through |
| [19:40:37] | justinh: | why the hell they bother I've never known |
| [19:40:57] | perlmonkey: | well why doesnt my card pick it up, its just showing static |
| [19:41:15] | justinh: | perlmonkey: try it straight on the aerial then |
| [19:41:30] | perlmonkey: | i tried it straight on the antenna and that worked, but receiption was poor |
| [19:41:41] | perlmonkey: | really bad in fact |
| [19:41:49] | justinh: | so reception would be even more poor with more devices on the cable |
| [19:41:59] | justinh: | non-existent even |
| [19:42:04] | BenB: | perlmonkey: do you know the channel to tune your TV card to, so that it sees the cable box signal? |
| [19:42:04] | perlmonkey: | :( |
| [19:42:27] | justinh: | BenB: he's not trying to tune the output of the cable STB. Because there is no output |
| [19:42:37] | perlmonkey: | I think it's 52 or 53, that's what it locked onto earlier and what I think from memory used some years ago |
| [19:43:06] | perlmonkey: | I'm trying to tune it yeah so Mythtv sees cable box as a tv signal |
| [19:43:17] | justinh: | it can't |
| [19:43:22] | perlmonkey: | why |
| [19:43:25] | justinh: | your cable box doesn't output what it decodes on the RF socket |
| [19:43:45] | perlmonkey: | but if the tv can see it why cant the card |
| [19:43:45] | justinh: | I explained that already |
| [19:43:51] | justinh: | the TV can't see it |
| [19:43:57] | perlmonkey: | :( |
| [19:44:20] | perlmonkey: | i got svideo and composite working from cable box, but no sound of course on those |
| [19:44:30] | justinh: | use svideo then :) |
| [19:44:44] | perlmonkey: | and svideo is showing in black and white for some reason, but i suspect that's an old problem resurfaced to do with Scart to Svideo? |
| [19:44:50] | justinh: | Doh |
| [19:44:51] | BenB: | perlmonkey: that's a more reasonable approach anyways, because you have a much better picture. |
| [19:45:00] | justinh: | aaaand virgin media STBs only have composite or RGB output |
| [19:45:02] | justinh: | no svideo |
| [19:45:09] | perlmonkey: | what i do is.. |
| [19:45:13] | BenB: | RGB is fine, no? |
| [19:45:15] | perlmonkey: | I use a scart to svideo adaptor |
| [19:45:16] | justinh: | BenB: and better audio |
| [19:45:24] | justinh: | you can't capture RGB with a tuner card |
| [19:45:38] | perlmonkey: | the scart adaptor splits the signal to svideo and composite and audio left and right |
| [19:45:57] | perlmonkey: | but my stupid card like most these days wants audio in via 3.5" jack not phono |
| [19:46:17] | perlmonkey: | and i dont got a phono left and right to 3.5" stereo lead |
| [19:46:19] | justinh: | but guess what.. the Luminance leg of svideo on scart is the same pin composite is on |
| [19:46:28] | BenB: | perlmonkey: that's trivial, there are adapters |
| [19:46:42] | BenB: | perlmonkey: cost $3 |
| [19:46:44] | perlmonkey: | yeah i can get one sure, but i absolutely need to record something tonight |
| [19:47:04] | perlmonkey: | for a friend overseas for a uni project |
| [19:47:13] | justinh: | so your 'svideo' output from that SCART cable is only gonna work if whatever it's connected to gives svideo output |
| [19:47:22] | justinh: | which virginmedia STBs don't |
| [19:47:25] | perlmonkey: | yes |
| [19:47:44] | perlmonkey: | i can get svideo into my card from STB |
| [19:47:47] | wagnerrp: | any computer or radio supply place should have an adaptor |
| [19:48:02] | perlmonkey: | but its black and white, i need to modify the scart |
| [19:48:03] | BenB: | wagnerrp: but it's sunday and maybe they're closed |
| [19:48:04] | justinh: | perlmonkey: you can't get svideo from your STB |
| [19:48:07] | wagnerrp: | i know of a dozen placed within 10 minute's drive i could pick one up at |
| [19:48:07] | justinh: | perlmonkey: you can't get svideo from your STB |
| [19:48:08] | justinh: | perlmonkey: you can't get svideo from your STB |
| [19:48:08] | justinh: | perlmonkey: you can't get svideo from your STB |
| [19:48:09] | justinh: | perlmonkey: you can't get svideo from your STB |
| [19:48:13] | wagnerrp: | today, on sunday |
| [19:48:15] | perlmonkey: | justinh:wanna bet? |
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| [19:48:21] | justinh: | it will output only composite or RGB |
| [19:48:28] | perlmonkey: | i can convert scart to svideo easy |
| [19:48:30] | wagnerrp: | even over there, where its almost 8PMFR |
| [19:48:32] | wagnerrp: | PM |
| [19:48:48] | BenB: | perlmonkey: no, the scart is just an adapter, not a converter. |
| [19:48:53] | justinh: | perlmonkey: it doesn't matter WTF you can 'convert' with your magical SCART cable. Your STB will not OUTPUT svideo |
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| [19:49:05] | BenB: | perlmonkey: it only gives you different jacks, not new signals. |
| [19:49:21] | AndyCap: | perlmonkey: this may be a good time to open the magical converter of yours and look inside. |
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| [19:49:32] | BenB: | perlmonkey: if the pin on the scart output of the STB is dead, then the svideo on your scart adapter will also be dead. |
| [19:49:34] | justinh: | in the preferences settings on the STB you can select COMPOSITE OUTPUT .. OR RGB. |
| [19:49:37] | perlmonkey: | i dont care about the signal format as long as i can use an svideo cable in my card from stb that's all im concerned about |
| [19:49:44] | AndyCap: | O_o |
| [19:50:00] | BenB: | perlmonkey: if the STB connects composite to svideo pin, you'll see black/white IIRC |
| [19:50:07] | AndyCap: | perlmonkey: sure, you can do that, it will give you black and white. |
| [19:50:17] | perlmonkey: | i will modify it so its colour |
| [19:50:18] | justinh: | ok, so you'd continue to have svideo (YC) without the C.. ie. in black & white :P |
| [19:50:21] | justinh: | you can't |
| [19:50:23] | AndyCap: | tee-hee |
| [19:50:26] | perlmonkey: | i can and have |
| [19:50:35] | perlmonkey: | already on leads previously |
| [19:50:36] | BenB: | perlmonkey: then do it again |
| [19:50:38] | justinh: | the STB wouldn't give you anything on the chroma pin of the SCART socket |
| [19:50:40] | perlmonkey: | its a trival modification |
| [19:50:45] | justinh: | so it's just COMPOSITE |
| [19:50:56] | perlmonkey: | yeah basically |
| [19:51:07] | justinh: | so just use composite |
| [19:51:15] | perlmonkey: | composite thru svideo lead |
| [19:51:23] | justinh: | oh whatever. I give up |
| [19:51:26] | perlmonkey: | :D |
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| [19:51:52] | perlmonkey: | i have my reasons eh, i need my composite sockets free for other video sources |
| [19:51:57] | justinh: | oo look I converted composite to svideo by changing the plug :P |
| [19:52:03] | BenB: | I wonder why people put up with this crap in the first place. DVB/ATSC or nothing, IMHO. |
| [19:52:32] | AndyCap: | justinh: why not convert it to hdmi while you're at it? :P |
| [19:52:41] | justinh: | AndyCap: sure. Just solder a new plug on the wire |
| [19:52:49] | BenB: | lol |
| [19:53:02] | perlmonkey: | BenB: I've been trying to get DVB to work with a Compro Videomate T220 card but had no luck, even tho it's supposed to be supported. But even if i could get DVB working its not much use here, we can get only 6 channels or something |
| [19:53:12] | perlmonkey: | the rest won't come online until 2011 |
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| [19:53:31] | AndyCap: | well, back to making my computer play ps3 remote |
| [19:53:37] | justinh: | bet your house has a nice thatched roof though eh :P |
| [19:53:55] | BenB: | AndyCap: does the playstation 3 support upnp? is that a subset of DLNA? |
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| [19:54:04] | AndyCap: | BenB: other way around |
| [19:54:18] | perlmonkey: | i dont go in for this digital crap anyway, tv is tv to me, as long as i can see it thats all that matters |
| [19:54:21] | wagnerrp: | BenB: DLNA is a set of arbitrary restrictions on UPNP video |
| [19:54:23] | AndyCap: | BenB: http://gxben.wordpress.com/2008/08/24/why-do- . . . col-so-much/ |
| [19:54:28] | AndyCap: | heh another Ben |
| [19:54:29] | BLACKthroat: | can the quality of svideo cary from tv sets? |
| [19:54:36] | justinh: | what? |
| [19:54:49] | perlmonkey: | vary |
| [19:55:02] | AndyCap: | BenB: that said, my ps3 picked up the mythbackend when I first booted it at home, and could play the recordings fine |
| [19:55:02] | justinh: | can we have questions not in spam-ese please? :P |
| [19:55:09] | BLACKthroat: | yeah vary |
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| [19:55:20] | BenB: | AndyCap: nice. do you use that? is it useful? |
| [19:55:37] | justinh: | BLACKthroat: picture Q varies a lot. Doubt you'd get svideo OUT of a TV anyway |
| [19:56:04] | justinh: | some TVs cheat & just convert svideo to composite internally. Nasty |
| [19:56:05] | AndyCap: | BenB: sure. I like having them handy in the living room. |
| [19:56:19] | perlmonkey: | I've used an svideo out from nvidia graphics card to scart, THAT gives me colour because I modified it |
| [19:56:21] | justinh: | all you need to find that out is a test signal ;) |
| [19:56:35] | justinh: | perlmonkey: bollocks you did. you shorted Y to C.. COMPOSITE |
| [19:56:36] | BLACKthroat: | older sets are more likely to do that? |
| [19:56:43] | justinh: | BLACKthroat: varies. |
| [19:56:44] | perlmonkey: | haha |
| [19:56:54] | perlmonkey: | justinh says it like it is |
| [19:56:59] | perlmonkey: | no mincing with words |
| [19:57:05] | justinh: | that's like saying you converted mono to stereo by joining left & right together |
| [19:57:11] | rhpot1991: | anyone else having issues playing the new futurama movie :( ? |
| [19:57:28] | perlmonkey: | justinh: i didn't say it was a great feat of engineering now did I :P |
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| [19:57:51] | justinh: | perlmonkey: you said 'converted'. You put a different plug on it, effectively. That's all |
| [19:57:59] | perlmonkey: | ya |
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| [19:58:20] | perlmonkey: | the output is acceptable |
| [19:59:00] | BenB: | AndyCap: thanks for the link, reading it. |
| [19:59:05] | perlmonkey: | so you guys are saying in summary, i cannot connect my TV out from STB to my TV antenna on my card? |
| [19:59:34] | BenB: | AndyCap: I'm thinking of writing an upnp server, to support xbox and playstation and others as players, and had a very short look at the specs, and was scared, it looks horrible. |
| [19:59:42] | BenB: | AndyCap: the article confirms it |
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| [19:59:55] | AndyCap: | BenB: heh, what was wrong with the existing servers? |
| [19:59:55] | perlmonkey: | justinh: is that your final word on it? |
| [20:00:27] | BenB: | AndyCap: nothing. I write an alternative to mythtv, so I have my own database, so the existing servers are not applicable. |
| [20:00:40] | BenB: | (same reason why mythtv has its own server) |
| [20:01:07] | justinh: | perlmonkey: if you want to record a channel you don't get on your aerial, you're stuffed without doing it via the SCART socket |
| [20:01:20] | perlmonkey: | ok |
| [20:01:31] | Dibblah: | BenB: Don't forget to do it in 1k lines of perl. |
| [20:01:46] | perlmonkey: | i was trying to do the impossible then, i must of got confused its been a while since I used mythtv a year or more |
| [20:01:52] | BenB: | Dibblah: heh. I'm not goign close to perl. |
| [20:02:12] | justinh: | CluTR! |
| [20:02:18] | perlmonkey: | I will have to sort out the audio cable problem |
| [20:02:19] | justinh: | pi-fon! |
| [20:02:47] | AndyCap: | Dibblah: ah, yes, the "reduce bloated mythtv to one optimized instruction that doesn't work" guy |
| [20:03:57] | ** justinh throws everybody a hulu-hoop. ** | |
| [20:04:11] | ** Dibblah hulas. ** | |
| [20:04:25] | ** Dibblah dropped it :( ** | |
| [20:04:41] | justinh: | remember though.. hulu hoops don't work if you're boxy :P |
| [20:04:55] | justinh: | not without modifying the box |
| [20:05:47] | BenB: | Dibblah, AndyCap: I think I'm lackign context.. what/who/which project are you referring to? |
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| [20:06:51] | Dibblah: | Someone offered to rewrite Myth in <1000 lines of Perl. |
| [20:07:08] | Dibblah: | Strangely enough, I never saw code from him... |
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| [20:09:46] | BenB: | AndyCap: lol, they want $5000 for the DNLA specs... |
| [20:09:52] | BenB: | for-get-it. |
| [20:09:56] | justinh: | is that all? |
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| [20:10:05] | justinh: | try www.piratebay.org |
| [20:10:17] | BenB: | justinh: :-)+ |
| [20:10:25] | BenB: | justinh: :-) |
| [20:10:31] | AndyCap: | BenB: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/187428#187428 |
| [20:10:55] | BenB: | Dibblah: I rewrote the mythtv backend in 7000 lines of (Java) code. |
| [20:11:06] | BenB: | and yes, it works :) |
| [20:11:32] | justinh: | ah but is the scheduler as clever? |
| [20:11:50] | BenB: | justinh: I don't know how clever the mythtv scheduler is. |
| [20:11:58] | Dibblah: | BenB: What's the point? |
| [20:12:08] | BenB: | justinh: mine can reschedule, and schedule several cards at once. |
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| [20:12:48] | BenB: | Dibblah: more reliable and easier to maintain, mostly. I don't want to go into details, as I don't want to talk badly about mythtv in a mythtv channel. |
| [20:12:58] | BenB: | (or much at all) |
| [20:13:06] | Dibblah: | So.. Don't ;) |
| [20:13:13] | BenB: | Dibblah: essentially, I spent too much time fixing mythtv. |
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| [20:13:52] | justinh: | all the bother I've ever had with mythtv has either been bad user-fu or just stuff the user had done wrong |
| [20:13:55] | BenB: | Dibblah: oh, your "what's the point?" was purely rhetoric. ok. |
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| [20:14:23] | Dibblah: | No, it was "what's the point when Myth is already there, functional and stable. |
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| [20:14:42] | BenB: | Dibblah: I hope I answered. it was all but stable for me. |
| [20:14:50] | BenB: | (and not just me) |
| [20:14:51] | Dibblah: | The only ways Myth really underperforms are for DVB-c users and pirates. |
| [20:15:06] | BenB: | Dibblah: I don't care about pirates, but why DVB-C? |
| [20:15:11] | justinh: | and people who install dodgy packages that leak memory left right & centre |
| [20:15:19] | Dibblah: | ... Mainly broken providers. |
| [20:15:26] | BenB: | Dibblah: in which way? |
| [20:15:32] | justinh: | BenB: the usual way |
| [20:15:34] | BenB: | (and which countries) |
| [20:15:40] | justinh: | as in.. they toss out the DVB spec |
| [20:15:45] | Dibblah: | ie the provider sends a NIT that is not following specs. |
| [20:15:48] | BenB: | justinh: and "usual" is? specifically? |
| [20:16:02] | BenB: | Dibblah: ah, nod |
| [20:16:09] | Dibblah: | There are other issues as well, but the NIT issue is the main one. |
| [20:16:33] | Dibblah: | The problem tends to be that people want to be on the bleeding edge. Then complain when they bleed. |
| [20:16:33] | BenB: | Dibblah: we have a head station, so the NIT in our hosue is complete nonsense (for DVB-S) – scan initial tuning files should fix that |
| [20:16:47] | Dibblah: | No, it shouldn't. |
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| [20:17:08] | Dibblah: | Myth trusts the NIT – Therefore it breaks the channel configuration on scan. |
| [20:17:11] | BenB: | Dibblah: the NIT tells me the frequencies and tuning params, right? and they are in the tuning files, for many providers. |
| [20:17:21] | BenB: | Dibblah: ah, ok. that's not good of mythtv, then :) |
| [20:17:27] | justinh: | myth has a lot of workarounds for crazy stuff already |
| [20:17:33] | Dibblah: | However, that'll be fixed fairly soon, I would guess. |
| [20:17:59] | Dibblah: | Myth _has_ to pick something to trust. And usually the NIT is good. |
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| [20:18:29] | BenB: | I use the NIt only to find transponders. then I try them. only if they work and are not known yet, I add them to the DB. |
| [20:18:46] | Dibblah: | Like I said, it's in Trac. |
| [20:18:50] | BenB: | the majority of the NIT transponders (120/180) are not tunable. |
| [20:19:02] | BenB: | (Astra satellite) |
| [20:19:08] | justinh: | eh? |
| [20:19:15] | justinh: | Astra should just work fine |
| [20:19:24] | Dibblah: | 28.2. |
| [20:19:29] | BenB: | I mean 19.2 |
| [20:19:34] | Dibblah: | He's meaning the DVB-S2 channels. |
| [20:19:37] | justinh: | ah |
| [20:19:40] | Dibblah: | transponders, even. |
| [20:19:53] | justinh: | different kettle of wossnames :) |
| [20:20:11] | Dibblah: | Same stuff, different modulation. |
| [20:20:17] | BenB: | how many astra transponders can you tune and find TV services on? |
| [20:20:25] | BenB: | astra 19.2 |
| [20:20:27] | Dibblah: | None at all. |
| [20:20:41] | BenB: | you're pointed to astra2? |
| [20:20:48] | Dibblah: | ... My dish is pointed at 28.2 and 13.0. |
| [20:20:57] | Dibblah: | No space for a 19.2 LNB. |
| [20:21:01] | BenB: | nod (astra2 and hotbird) |
| [20:21:14] | BenB: | justinh: and you? |
| [20:21:37] | Dibblah: | Although I don't really use my -S cards any more. |
| [20:21:53] | justinh: | don't use dvb-s at all yet |
| [20:22:04] | justinh: | have a couple more trees to rid myself of first :) |
| [20:22:20] | BenB: | save the trees! :) |
| [20:22:29] | BenB: | mount the dish on the tree :) |
| [20:22:36] | justinh: | yeah right |
| [20:22:42] | BenB: | why not? :) |
| [20:22:54] | justinh: | because that's a retarded idea |
| [20:23:00] | BenB: | lol |
| [20:23:04] | BenB: | I've seen that |
| [20:23:08] | justinh: | you need to mount a dish to something stationary |
| [20:23:48] | laga: | your trees would be stationary if you wouldn't keep cutting them down |
| [20:23:56] | BenB: | justinh: in germany, they sell chairs with sat dish included. not kidding. |
| [20:23:58] | justinh: | unless there was a bit of a breeze |
| [20:24:27] | justinh: | these aren't like 100 year old Oak trees ya know |
| [20:24:34] | BenB: | ah, ok :) |
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| [20:25:38] | justinh: | they're high & skinny. Widest is only like 14 inches around the trunk |
| [20:26:42] | BenB: | yeah, I was thinking of big, thick trees. and you're right, wind doesn't help reception. |
| [20:27:50] | justinh: | anyway, cutting down trees is fun. Highly dangerous fun, but fun all the same |
| [20:31:05] | justinh: | hey.. what's this... single cable distribution of satellite feeds.. |
| [20:31:25] | BenB: | justinh: probably a "head station". |
| [20:31:28] | justinh: | single cable lnb outputting to up to 8 receivers |
| [20:31:34] | AndyCap: | ah, unicable |
| [20:31:44] | Dibblah: | Well, that's me up to 18 sensors on my central heating system. |
| [20:32:01] | BenB: | justinh: oh "up to 8", then not a head station |
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| [20:32:35] | justinh: | http://www.ses-astra.com/resources/pdf/en-sha . . . brochure.pdf |
| [20:33:09] | BenB: | justinh: if it's just for you, I'd use a quad LNB with 4 cables. you can either connect 4 receivers directly, or IIRC use a switch which tunes to each polarity and hi/low band and allows to connect any number of receivers. |
| [20:33:17] | AndyCap: | justinh: just moved the tuning to the lnb. |
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| [20:35:01] | Dibblah: | Or, a quattro and a switch. |
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| [20:48:23] | BLACKthroat: | how much of an impact does my desktop resolution have on mythtvfronted? |
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| [20:49:09] | wagnerrp: | the higher the resolution, the more power it takes to render the menu and OSD |
| [20:49:30] | wagnerrp: | but... really, not a whole lot |
| [20:49:44] | BLACKthroat: | how about regarding the refresh rate? |
| [20:50:04] | BLACKthroat: | if i'm running a low desktop refresh rate |
| [20:50:21] | wagnerrp: | low refresh rate... such as? |
| [20:50:21] | BenB: | BLACKthroat: what is "low"? |
| [20:50:36] | BenB: | BLACKthroat: it's not good for your eyes, that's for sure. |
| [20:50:38] | wagnerrp: | few tvs can actually run better than 50 |
| [20:50:45] | wagnerrp: | err.. 60 |
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| [20:51:36] | BLACKthroat: | im running 1600x1200 at 50 Hz |
| [20:52:19] | wagnerrp: | hopefully not a CRT? |
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| [20:52:29] | BLACKthroat: | lcd |
| [20:52:57] | BenB: | BLACKthroat: that's not a sane setting for an LCD. use 60hz. |
| [20:53:12] | BenB: | (or better yet DVI) |
| [20:53:30] | wagnerrp: | BenB: that depends, if hes playing PAL content, 50hz would be acceptable, and probably better than 60hz |
| [20:53:45] | BLACKthroat: | i'm not playing pal content though |
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| [20:53:58] | wagnerrp: | well then why the hell are you running at 50hz? |
| [20:54:52] | BLACKthroat: | my bad actually |
| [20:55:02] | BLACKthroat: | it is at 60Hz |
| [20:55:47] | BLACKthroat: | i'm looking at the monitor resolution settings |
| [20:55:50] | BLACKthroat: | and nvidia x server settings |
| [20:56:16] | BLACKthroat: | under monitor... it shows the refresh rate at 121 |
| [20:56:20] | BLACKthroat: | and nvidia at 60 |
| [20:56:46] | BLACKthroat: | why is that? |
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| [21:00:27] | Kazan: | niiice i just finally got to test that .mp4 export of a survivorman episode i made earlier |
| [21:00:32] | Kazan: | my new smartphone does GREAT with it |
| [21:02:39] | BLACKthroat: | what kinda phone? |
| [21:04:25] | justinh: | hmm. as good as SCR sounds there don't seem to be any PC dvb tuners with it |
| [21:04:55] | justinh: | pity. not that it matters all that much since I wouldn't be running cables all over anyway :) |
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| [21:23:43] | Kazan: | BLACKthroat: samsung omnia |
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| [21:25:36] | tomtom033: | Can somebody help me with these log file messages (repeat many many times): |
| [21:25:38] | tomtom033: | 2009-03–01 22:24:13.260 adding: mythwl as a client (events: 0) |
| [21:25:38] | tomtom033: | 2009-03–01 22:24:13.263 MainServer::HandleAnnounce FileTransfer |
| [21:25:38] | tomtom033: | 2009-03–01 22:24:13.274 adding: mythwl as a remote file transfer |
| [21:25:38] | tomtom033: | 2009-03–01 22:24:13.701 MainServer::HandleAnnounce Playback |
| [21:25:59] | wagnerrp: | one, dont paste multiple lines in here |
| [21:26:09] | wagnerrp: | two, what is the problem with those log file messages? |
| [21:26:55] | tomtom033: | one why two read between ( ) |
| [21:26:57] | justinh: | apart from nothing |
| [21:28:54] | justinh: | if you find your log files are taking up too much space, change the logging verbosity or turn off logging. the backend logging can be sorted out by editing the init script (to be a user signal in 0.22 I hear – yay!) |
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| [21:32:16] | tomtom033: | justinh: are you saying this is harmless if repeated 107 times in 2 minutes? ok then... |
| [21:32:43] | wagnerrp: | its nothing more than mythtv telling you its doing stuff |
| [21:32:56] | justinh: | it's not an error message.. so is harmless but I might be concerned about the frequency |
| [21:32:57] | wagnerrp: | if you dont want it to tell you its doing stuff, cut down the verbosity |
| [21:33:17] | wagnerrp: | also, channel rules, no pasting more than two lines |
| [21:33:28] | tomtom033: | what could be the cause of such a frequency? |
| [21:34:35] | justinh: | something is requesting file transfers quite often |
| [21:35:16] | justinh: | other frontends? scrolling through recordings a lot? |
| [21:35:26] | tomtom033: | 1 box with frontend and backend on it |
| [21:35:46] | tomtom033: | and surely not too much action in these 2 minutes :-) |
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| [21:37:51] | tomtom033: | by "scrolling through recordings" do you mean ff and backward within a file, or do you mean looking through list of recordings? |
| [21:38:18] | wagnerrp: | looking through a list of recordings |
| [21:38:44] | wagnerrp: | if you run through a big list of recordings, all with images and/or video clips |
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| [21:38:51] | wagnerrp: | each of those is going to be a file transfer |
| [21:38:56] | oobe: | does anyone know a way i can make my encoders numbered from 1 up as i have deleted and readded different pieces of hard ware and now im up to encoders 17 18 19 etc. |
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| [21:39:16] | iamlindoro: | oobe, need to delete all tuners across all backends to restart the numbering |
| [21:39:19] | wagnerrp: | oobe: in mythtv-setup, delete all recorders, and re-add them |
| [21:39:23] | tomtom033: | what do I read to learn the meaning of log file messages? |
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| [21:39:31] | iamlindoro: | the source |
| [21:39:35] | tomtom033: | LOL |
| [21:39:38] | iamlindoro: | not joking |
| [21:39:44] | oobe: | thats what i did |
| [21:39:54] | oobe: | but i didnt delete the video source |
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| [21:39:59] | tomtom033: | real programmers dont document – what was hard to write should be hard to read.... |
| [21:40:04] | iamlindoro: | oobe, "Delete all tuners," not "delete all tuners on $nameofbackend" |
| [21:40:21] | wagnerrp: | if you want more information other than 'its opening a handle to allow a file transfer', you must read the source |
| [21:40:24] | oobe: | in mythtv-setup |
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| [21:41:11] | wagnerrp: | hey look! 16 hours later and open-office is done compiling! |
| [21:41:54] | oobe: | thats what i must of done delete all capture cards on hostname |
| [21:42:03] | oobe: | instead of delete all tuners |
| [21:42:11] | oobe: | ok thanks for that |
| [21:42:29] | tomtom033: | next question: why cant i fast-forward within a timed recording (but i can within a recording from live-tv) |
| [21:42:41] | oobe: | i have 4 tuners |
| [21:42:53] | oobe: | well 2 dual tuners |
| [21:43:01] | oobe: | i might do it later on |
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| [21:44:40] | justinh: | tomtom033: timezone screwed up on the frontend? |
| [21:44:45] | justinh: | corrupted seektables? |
| [21:44:55] | tomtom033: | timezone is GMT+1 |
| [21:45:07] | tomtom033: | how can i find out whether its screwed up? |
| [21:45:24] | justinh: | mysqlcheck |
| [21:45:28] | tomtom033: | what is seektables, and how can I find out whether they are corrupted? |
| [21:45:49] | justinh: | seektables hold timing information mythtv uses for seeking within recordings |
| [21:46:00] | justinh: | they're generated when recordings are made |
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| [21:46:27] | tomtom033: | mysqlcheck /what/ |
| [21:46:42] | iamlindoro: | man mysqlcheck |
| [21:46:46] | justinh: | mysqlcheck -u $databaseuser -p$databasepassword $database |
| [21:47:08] | justinh: | so if the database was mythconverg, the mysql user 'mythtv' and the mysql password was 'mythtv': |
| [21:47:16] | justinh: | mysqlcheck -u mythtv -pmythtv mythconverg |
| [21:48:26] | tomtom033: | ok mysqlcheck said OK to all tables |
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| [21:48:55] | tomtom033: | but I actually did a mysqlrepair a few days ago on some seek table.... |
| [21:49:19] | justinh: | so it's not that then |
| [21:49:33] | tomtom033: | the table was 'recordedseek' |
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| [21:50:01] | tomtom033: | and today it complained about freeing space but file not found |
| [21:50:03] | justinh: | are these timed recordings transcoded by any chance? |
| [21:50:11] | tomtom033: | these what? |
| [21:50:23] | tomtom033: | no i have never transcoded anything yeet |
| [21:50:26] | tomtom033: | yet |
| [21:51:26] | justinh: | are we talking about a single machine here? |
| [21:51:30] | tomtom033: | yes |
| [21:51:35] | tomtom033: | mythbuntu 8.10 |
| [21:51:37] | justinh: | dunno then |
| [21:52:17] | tomtom033: | what log would i read to find out more? |
| [21:52:39] | justinh: | iamlindoro: seen your scrollback? that issue I had with programme info popups during playback was because of an undocumented keybinding thing. gah |
| [21:53:13] | justinh: | still tempted to go on a crusade against those |
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| [21:53:39] | laga: | it's documented in the code :) |
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| [21:53:52] | justinh: | that isn't documentation smartass |
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| [21:54:18] | laga: | haha |
| [21:54:21] | laga: | SCNR :) |
| [21:54:22] | iamlindoro: | justinh, yeah, I saw that |
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| [21:54:40] | tomtom033: | ok who do I need to ask then? |
| [21:55:17] | justinh: | tomtom033: frontend -v playback log would be a start |
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| [21:57:25] | tomtom033: | whats that? |
| [21:58:18] | justinh: | what's what? |
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| [21:58:35] | justinh: | running mythfrontend with the "-v playback" option |
| [21:59:09] | tomtom033: | well, i dont want to bore you, but i am new to mythtv and it's not working, so i cant help asking the questions simple... |
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| [21:59:27] | justinh: | course that won't work on mythbuntu because of everything they do to 'help' noobs |
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| [21:59:44] | justinh: | ooo look. there's #mythbuntu |
| [22:00:17] | tomtom033: | havent got any good from there so far (oops may I say that?) |
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| [22:01:08] | wonko: | now all that is needed is a #minimyth |
| [22:01:14] | laga: | justinh: of course, mythfrontend -v playback will work |
| [22:01:21] | wonko: | so someone can explain to me why it ignored crap i put in the config file |
| [22:01:43] | tomtom033: | ok mythfrontend is a shell script, mythfrontend.real is a binary ... which one do I run with "-v playback"? |
| [22:02:14] | laga: | mythfrontend.real |
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| [22:02:47] | tomtom033: | ok will try this tomorrow (when wife is away from tv) thanksalot so far |
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| [22:04:17] | justinh: | laga: it does now? good :) |
| [22:05:15] | laga: | justinh: it's always been that way as far as i can tell. might have been a bug ;) |
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| [22:07:21] | justinh: | hrm. TOGGLEBROWSE doesn't seem to be allied to MENU anywhere in libs/libmythtv |
| [22:08:23] | justinh: | go back & grep some more... |
| [22:09:36] | justinh: | so far only found in tv_play.cpp, and no mention of action == "TOGGLEBROWSE" || action == "MENU" |
| [22:12:39] | justinh: | whoah. some buttons are toggles, others need to be ESC'd from.. MENU is common with INFO in places |
| [22:13:52] | justinh: | the will to continue is waning.. |
| [22:14:24] | ** justinh wonders wth "TOGGLETT" does ** | |
| [22:15:01] | justinh: | toggle teletext. heh |
| [22:15:27] | justinh: | but that's 'T' not 'O'. I'm still as confused as I was earlier |
| [22:17:39] | justinh: | oh wait. I was assuming I should be looking for something like "if action == TOGGLEBROWSE" || action == "MENU" { " when really it could be anything |
| [22:17:44] | justinh: | DUH |
| [22:18:50] | justinh: | else if (action == "TOGGLEBROWSE" && pseudoLiveTVState[aindx]) ShowOSDTreeMenu(); |
| [22:19:19] | justinh: | but that's for live mode I think |
| [22:20:09] | justinh: | well, that's also the case if it's just playing stuff. |
| [22:20:33] | justinh: | god almighty in heaven. wonder what kind of resistance would be met trying to remove this kind of thing |
| [22:21:20] | justinh: | else if (action == "TOGGLEBROWSE") ShowOSDTreeMenu(); — when really.. surely... it should be |
| [22:21:37] | justinh: | else if (action ==MENU") ShowOSDTreeMenu(); |
| [22:21:40] | iamlindoro: | justinh, Depends on whether you care about resistance from the useless and the whiny |
| [22:22:03] | justinh: | I need to get the ear of the people who matter |
| [22:22:44] | justinh: | contrary to what I've often said I do actually give a crap about end users sometimes |
| [22:22:49] | justinh: | especially when it's me :) |
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| [22:23:41] | dustybin: | mythtv userspace |
| [22:23:48] | justinh: | wtf is the point of having multiple buttons to do the same thing? one button can have different contexts sure, but make those definable |
| [22:24:30] | iamlindoro: | dustybin, do you have any idea what that means, or are you just blathering words that contain the same letters as what was just discussed? |
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| [22:24:47] | justinh: | course this kind of thing can be rooted out when parts are ported or rewritten.. so maybe it's not worth spending time on |
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| [22:25:20] | gene: | Howdy folks |
| [22:25:39] | justinh: | problem is when stuff is referred to in the docs as being a 'livetv' function when other parts call it – therefore making it somewhat GLOBAL eh |
| [22:27:12] | justinh: | see that's what had me tripped up. I could always change it, commit it & see how fast I get a bollocking :P |
| [22:27:46] | gene: | I have a perl problem, the make reports a missing 5.8.8 * Config.pm but I'm rebuilding it on an F10 system with perl-5.10.0, and that is where the missing file lives, howto ./configure around that? |
| [22:28:27] | justinh: | iamlindoro: you sure have a knack of getting rid of the garbage recepticle these days |
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| [22:28:46] | justinh: | speak of the devil |
| [22:29:31] | gene: | The error make reports: |
| [22:29:41] | iamlindoro: | dustybin, Turn right back around and go, I'm still looking at you |
| [22:29:49] | dustybin: | lol |
| [22:29:53] | gene: | make[3]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/lib/perl5/5.8.8/i386-linux-thread-multi/Config.pm', needed by `Makefile.perl'. Stop. |
| [22:29:55] | gene: | make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/mythtv-0.21/bindings/perl' |
| [22:29:57] | gene: | make[2]: [perl_build] Error 2 (ignored) |
| [22:30:35] | gene: | should I go ahead and do the make install anyway? |
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| [22:33:54] | gbee: | yeah, that's not a deal breaker |
| [22:34:05] | gene: | ok, thanks |
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| [22:44:51] | [yzf600]: | what command in myth does a +30 second skip? |
| [22:45:44] | gene: | Ok, and ran it, much improved display behavior now. However, I don't believe it is tuning my card correctly, it is a pcHDTV-3000 card. Wwhat do it check, or where is the tut for this? |
| [22:45:52] | dustybin: | this is how i imagine Dagmars backend to look like: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/lifehac . . . 8_205500.png |
| [22:46:01] | justinh: | omg. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article . . . pi&num=1 |
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| [22:47:22] | wagnerrp: | s3 still makes cards? |
| [22:48:41] | justinh: | apparently |
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| [22:53:57] | nemiroal: | wagnerrp: btw, recently there has been lots of drama with s3 and open source drivers for its Chrome 500 series graphics chips. |
| [22:54:49] | iamlindoro: | They are *not* open source drivers |
| [22:55:17] | nemiroal: | yup |
| [22:55:19] | iamlindoro: | They are linux drivers, closed source, although (illegally) claiming internally to be GPL to use kernel GPL symbols |
| [22:55:23] | nemiroal: | never said they were |
| [22:55:32] | iamlindoro: | "nemiroal> wagnerrp: btw, recently there has been lots of drama with s3 and open source drivers for its Chrome 500 series graphics chips." |
| [22:55:41] | iamlindoro: | except for 30 seconds ago? |
| [22:55:51] | nemiroal: | read it carefully |
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| [22:56:14] | iamlindoro: | There *are* no open source drivers for those cards, and therefore there has been no drama regarding them |
| [22:56:31] | nemiroal: | that is why there is drama.. they are promising. |
| [22:56:40] | nemiroal: | and haven't delivered |
| [22:56:59] | nemiroal: | http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/02 . . . amp;from=rss |
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| [22:57:20] | iamlindoro: | there's no promise of open source anything |
| [22:57:30] | iamlindoro: | not in the phoronix article, nor in the slashdot blurb |
| [22:57:43] | iamlindoro: | Linux support != open source drivers |
| [22:57:55] | iamlindoro: | They have *never* claimed they would be releasing open sourced drivers |
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| [22:58:15] | nemiroal: | iamlindoro: not disagreeing with you. |
| [22:58:20] | iamlindoro: | what's more, their drivers *illegally* claim to be GPL internally to use GPL symbols in the kernel |
| [22:58:36] | iamlindoro: | So once again, there's no drama regarding open source drivers |
| [22:58:45] | iamlindoro: | they've never promised, and therefore have never failed to deliver |
| [22:59:05] | nemiroal: | feel better? |
| [22:59:17] | iamlindoro: | I never felt bad, just trying to clear up misinformation |
| [22:59:23] | nemiroal: | ok.. thanks |
| [23:00:16] | ccfreak2k: | wagnerrp, the first comment pretty much sums it up. |
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| [23:07:50] | perlmonkey: | never listen to guys who say you can't record from coax on set top boxes |
| [23:08:13] | perlmonkey: | whoever said that will have to eat his words because i've proved you can |
| [23:09:04] | ccfreak2k: | Ok. |
| [23:09:32] | tank-man: | i hate _those_ guys |
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| [23:24:09] | perlmonkey: | tank-man: whats up? |
| [23:25:17] | perlmonkey: | i got my mythbox setup after 2 days struggle =) im using latest mythbuntu distro |
| [23:26:49] | perlmonkey: | still got the remote to do, that the hard part eh |
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| [23:35:07] | nemiroal: | looking for people's opinions: I would like to setup my mythbuntu 8.10 box in my living room as an audio sink (remote speakers), so that feed it music via another machine. Currently all audio goes out to 5.1 receiver via optical link. Is Pulse Audio ready for prime time when used in conjunction with Mythtv? Or is it simply too much of a pain? I see one thread in the mailing list which says it is a PITA in 8.04. Comments, other solution |
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| [23:48:03] | Kazan: | maybe you guysd could give me some ideas with this |
| [23:48:09] | Kazan: | mythcommflag has been being a pain in my posterior |
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| [23:48:29] | Kazan: | it's causing playback stuttering sometimes... top says it's using up to 120% (!) cpu sometimes... etc |
| [23:48:50] | Kazan: | it should be appropriately nice'ing itself.. im running backend as a daemon |
| [23:48:58] | Kazan: | it isn't like it doesn't have the access |
| [23:49:59] | nemiroal: | Kazan: have you checked if your fs is fragmented? |
| [23:50:08] | Kazan: | how do i check that |
| [23:50:15] | Kazan: | it's an ext3 lvm volume 1tb in size roughly |
| [23:52:05] | Kazan: | wow.. fragged to hell i think |
| [23:52:07] | Kazan: | did a filefrag |
| [23:52:18] | nemiroal: | I dont use ext3 personally. |
| [23:52:25] | nemiroal: | I think you are on the right track.. |
| [23:52:39] | keith4_: | how many cores? |
| [23:52:48] | keith4_: | 120% CPU isn't necessarily a problem |
| [23:52:51] | Kazan: | 2 cores |
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| [23:52:55] | keith4_: | right |
| [23:52:59] | Kazan: | i figured 120% meant 100% of one core and 20% of the other |
| [23:53:08] | keith4_: | right |
| [23:53:42] | Kazan: | and yeah.. my ext3 volume needs defragged (!) |
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| [23:54:57] | nemiroal: | Kazan: what % frag did you get? |
| [23:55:16] | Kazan: | nemiroal: filefrag -v <filename> doesn't give me a % |
| [23:55:23] | Kazan: | it lists all the discontinuities in the named files |
| [23:55:36] | Kazan: | i filefrag -v ./* | more'ed in my recordings folder |
| [23:55:40] | Kazan: | and lots of discontinuityies |
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| [23:58:01] | nemiroal: | Kazan: I have had lots of problems like this .. and I eventually switched to xfs so I could do daily background defrags via cron. |
| [23:58:29] | Kazan: | nemiroal: IIRC xfs has a problem with forgetting it's file table in the case of a power fault.... |
| [23:58:42] | Kazan: | or am i thinking of another fs that was "high performance" |
| [23:58:45] | Kazan: | murderFS perhaps? |
| [23:59:46] | nemiroal: | Kazan: yeah.. I was not too sure about the corruption issues. seems like it was up for debate. I just ended up putting all my myth boxes on UPS which shutdown the box via USB |
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