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| [00:21:36] | clever: | i can help stress you out more if you want! :P |
| [00:21:57] | clever: | seems mythbackend is timing out again |
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| [00:34:55] | chris200x9_: | I keep getting the error that my front end can't connect with my backend check the IP |
| [00:35:20] | chris200x9_: | but I have many times it's just my local IP |
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| [00:35:47] | clever: | is the backend running, is it still at that ip? |
| [00:36:46] | chris200x9_: | yes the backend is running, how would I check if it's still at that ip? |
| [00:36:55] | clever: | run 'ifconfig' on the backend |
| [00:37:37] | chris200x9_: | ... sorry I'm a n00b how exactly would i do that? |
| [00:37:52] | clever: | open a terminal window and run ifconfig |
| [00:39:39] | chris200x9_: | thanks, my eth0 is 192.168.1.101 but my lo is 127.0.0.1 which i put in, should I change it to my eth0 adress? |
| [00:41:14] | clever: | the 192.168.1.x ip |
| [00:41:28] | clever: | just make shure thats the ip used in mythtv-setup for the master backend |
| [00:41:40] | chris200x9_: | ok thanks |
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| [00:44:02] | chris200x9_: | clever: I just tried to run mythtv-setup again to fix my ip and it says can't log into nthe database |
| [00:44:21] | clever: | you need to run it as the mythtv user |
| [00:46:17] | Spruit_elf: | does some know a working forecast script for city's outside north america? bbc script is currently broken |
| [00:47:29] | chris200x9_: | ? I do, I think I run mythtv-setup it takes me to language then a screen with a username to fill out and stuff and I never changed it from default so I just click next |
| [00:48:00] | clever: | chris200x9_: then something might be wrong with the ip addr for the mysql db too |
| [00:48:11] | clever: | what ip is it showing? |
| [00:49:23] | chris200x9_: | what do u mean, it just asks/shows host name not ip adress |
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| [00:50:04] | chris200x9_: | ok |
| [00:50:25] | chris200x9_: | sry I changed it to local host and it logged in |
| [00:50:41] | chris200x9_: | i think that might be my other problem too |
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| [01:13:23] | denos: | Having a strange problem: I can't schedule any recordings and all the recordings I have disappeared are no longer registering for "Upcoming Recordings". Does this ring a bell for anyone? |
| [01:13:44] | denos: | Man, that sounds terrible. I'll try again. |
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| [01:14:21] | denos: | I can't schedule recordings and mythtv is not recognizing any previously configured recordings (Upcoming recordings is empty) |
| [01:15:02] | denos: | Program guide looks good (ie. schedules are there) |
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| [01:31:24] | denos: | Seeing this in the logs: "QDateTime::fromString: Parameter out of range" |
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| [01:31:55] | jarle: | denos: this QDateTime is nothing to worry about |
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| [01:36:03] | denos: | Anyone with any tips on why a previously working installation would lose the ability to schedule new recordings (and have no memory of previously setup shows). Existing recordings look fine. |
| [01:36:37] | jarle: | denos: have you changed your hostname? |
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| [01:40:18] | denos: | jarle: I changed the IP a while back and setup a second frontend box 2 weeks ago. I'm not seeing any mysql errors in the log. |
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| [01:42:09] | jarle: | denos: and you do see the program data in the program guide? strange... |
| [01:42:58] | denos: | jarle: Yes. Its bizarre. The guide is there showing programs in the future. When I try to schedule, I can find upcoming instances but it won't actually schedule any of them. |
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| [01:43:35] | denos: | jarle: If I had a hostname problem (possibly related to the IP change?), how would I address that? |
| [01:44:36] | jarle: | denos: you say you can find upcomming instances, where do you find them? In the program guide or in the list of upcomming recordings? |
| [01:45:02] | denos: | jarle: I can see them in the program guide and I can also see upcoming recordings when choosing to Schedule and search by title |
| [01:45:18] | denos: | jarle: Upcoming instances of the show (recordings won't stick) |
| [01:47:05] | jarle: | denos: so if you go into the list of upcomming recordings, it is empty? |
| [01:47:33] | mchou: | denos: you probably should run mythtv-setup again |
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| [01:48:18] | denos: | jarle: Correct. I have piles of shows setup but upcoming recordings is empty and I can not schedule anything new. |
| [01:48:19] | mchou: | denos: my guess is the the ipaddr change means myth thinks the videosources are somewhere else |
| [01:49:07] | denos: | mchou: I'll try that. |
| [01:49:25] | mchou: | denos: "videosources" meaning "capture cards" |
| [01:50:16] | jarle: | denos: can you watch live TV? |
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| [01:55:10] | denos: | jarle: I can watch live TV |
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| [01:55:31] | denos: | mchou: I removed my existing capture card, added it again and reconnected it to Schedules Direct. Still no dice :( |
| [01:56:44] | denos: | This happened once before when I tried to import a mythtv database from a previous setup. I ended up having to create the database from scratch. It was working for a couple of months... |
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| [03:41:06] | JohnQ: | I have a fun new error. Sigh. When my myth boots, X fails to start (no clear error), and eventually init stops spawning it because it spins too fast. Also mythbackend segfaults on start with nothing printed. But..... |
| [03:41:26] | Dagmar: | You can pretty much stop there |
| [03:41:35] | Dagmar: | Look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| [03:41:45] | JohnQ: | If I rebuild the nvidia X driver, it all starts working.... |
| [03:41:45] | Dagmar: | It'll tell you why X wouldn't start |
| [03:41:51] | JohnQ: | Until I reboot. |
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| [03:42:00] | Dagmar: | OKay so you're using Ubuntu probably |
| [03:42:04] | JohnQ: | Log does not contain anything interesting. |
| [03:42:15] | JohnQ: | Knoppmyth |
| [03:42:16] | Dagmar: | Sez you |
| [03:42:29] | Dagmar: | It's probably saying something along the lines of "OMG the driver failed!" |
| [03:42:42] | Dagmar: | Knoppmyth installs the nVidia driver by itself if you let it |
| [03:42:52] | JohnQ: | oddly not. That would be something I would call "interesting" :-) |
| [03:42:55] | Dagmar: | It's likely the driver you installed and what they installed have gotten tangled up |
| [03:43:43] | JohnQ: | Ah. I downloaded the new one to try and fix a different bug... was probably a dumb thing to do. |
| [03:46:03] | JohnQ: | I wonder which version of the driver knoppmyth came with so I can revert to it. |
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| [03:48:15] | JohnQ: | The Xorg log of a working run, and a nonworking run seem to be identical, except that the non-working one is truncated. Last line they have in common is "(II) Initializing extension GLX", and the first missing line is " (**) Option "CoreKeyboard" |
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| [03:55:17] | tank-man: | if you install a new kernel and use the binary nvidia drivers, you gotta reinstall the nvidia drivers |
| [03:55:35] | JohnQ: | I havent upgraded the kernel. |
| [03:55:53] | tank-man: | JohnQ, maybe thats why X won't start, buts its all guess till you look at the logs |
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| [03:56:25] | JohnQ: | The X logs? There are no errors in there. |
| [03:56:54] | tank-man: | are there any lines with EE ? |
| [03:56:58] | JohnQ: | nope |
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| [03:57:14] | tank-man: | any warnings? |
| [03:57:55] | JohnQ: | A few, but they all deal with font-paths "The direcory foo does not exist. Entry deleted from font path" type stuff. |
| [03:59:00] | JohnQ: | I'll reboot it to get it to fail again, and pastebin the log |
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| [04:02:22] | JohnQ: | bah, log too big for pastebin. Bleh |
| [04:02:58] | deeproot: | dang this irc channel is so got it fixed my problem and i didn't have to even ask a question. Great Welcome line |
| [04:03:34] | deeproot: | my record dir was not being accessed and it was kickin me out of watching TV thanks |
| [04:04:50] | JohnQ: | http://rafb.net/p/NWCgmI77.html There |
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| [04:07:51] | tank-man: | JohnQ, so X doesnt start and that is the log? |
| [04:07:56] | JohnQ: | Indeed |
| [04:08:19] | JohnQ: | (And mythbackend seffaults on startup with no output whatsoever) |
| [04:09:00] | JohnQ: | But if I use the shell script-driver-install-thing from the nvidia website to install fresh, it will work (both X and the mythbackend) until I reboot. |
| [04:09:22] | tank-man: | no out put from mythbackend with verbose logging ? |
| [04:09:28] | JohnQ: | Not a thing. |
| [04:10:23] | JohnQ: | Even simple things like "mythbackend -v help" just segfault with no output |
| [04:10:26] | tank-man: | what version of mythtv is this? |
| [04:10:40] | wagnerrp: | JohnQ: what about -v all? |
| [04:10:57] | JohnQ: | whatever comes in knoppmyth R5.5 |
| [04:10:58] | tank-man: | he said no verbose log output |
| [04:11:05] | JohnQ: | Same thing with -v all |
| [04:11:15] | JohnQ: | No output besides "Segmentation fault" |
| [04:11:16] | wagnerrp: | why mention -v help if -v all did nothing |
| [04:11:20] | tank-man: | well i dont know what is in knoppmyth |
| [04:11:53] | JohnQ: | wagnerrp: because -v help does not even try to start the back end. It just is supposed to print a message |
| [04:12:02] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [04:12:13] | JohnQ: | It is the simplest mode of invocation I can imagine.. end even that fails :-) |
| [04:12:16] | wagnerrp: | what if you just do a 'ldd mythbackend' |
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| [04:12:42] | wagnerrp: | that should do nothing but run the library grab |
| [04:12:47] | JohnQ: | It lists all the deps |
| [04:12:50] | JohnQ: | Yeah |
| [04:13:05] | JohnQ: | no complaints from ldd |
| [04:13:34] | tank-man: | perhaps the package maintainer of mythtv for knoppmyth knows more |
| [04:15:29] | Dagmar: | So perhaps you've overlooked that mythfrontend will never run without X up |
| [04:15:43] | JohnQ: | Im not even talking about the frontend |
| [04:15:53] | JohnQ: | it is the BACKend that segfaults. |
| [04:16:19] | Dagmar: | So reinstall KnoppMyth |
| [04:16:21] | tank-man: | you said X doesnt also start so that sounds like something wrong with the whole system |
| [04:16:31] | tank-man: | not mythtv specific |
| [04:16:36] | JohnQ: | tank-man: I agree |
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| [04:18:34] | Dagmar: | You forget that one of the advantages of having a canned install is that you can just back up the data (or unmount the filesystems you put it on) and then blast the thing clean |
| [04:18:53] | Dagmar: | If X's libs are hosed the backend isn't going to start |
| [04:19:32] | JohnQ: | Ya I have been toying with that idea. The only issue there is that a lot of my lirc config is somewhat nonstandard... and a few other things too. So its slightly more of a pain to reinstall that it would be normally. Not much... but some. |
| [04:19:42] | JohnQ: | That would explain the segfaults. |
| [04:20:06] | JohnQ: | Now I just need to figure out why X only works until a reboot :-) |
| [04:20:10] | Dagmar: | So backup the lirc stuff too |
| [04:20:11] | clever: | how do i switch inputs on livetv? |
| [04:20:18] | tank-man: | y |
| [04:20:19] | Dagmar: | It's not actually a bad idea to keep a cheap dinky thumbdrive around |
| [04:20:23] | tank-man: | maybe "y" |
| [04:20:26] | clever: | it doesnt seem to do anything |
| [04:20:36] | Dagmar: | Pretty sure it's y by default |
| [04:20:43] | clever: | now ive got a empty window in the middle of my screen |
| [04:20:50] | clever: | its just a chunk of the background image |
| [04:21:14] | clever: | none of the controls do anything now:S |
| [04:21:19] | clever: | escape is dead |
| [04:21:56] | clever: | 2009-02–27 00:20:11.408 MythSocket(889e900:20): writeStringList: Error, invalid string list. |
| [04:22:02] | clever: | looks like half the frontend crashed again |
| [04:22:35] | clever: | -9! |
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| [04:41:56] | JohnQ: | http://xkcd.com/349/ Thats a bit how I feel now :-) |
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| [04:58:31] | mzb_d800: | is there a way to get mythfrontend to exit (to mythwelcom) after an idle time? |
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| [04:58:53] | mzb_d800: | (eg: idle in a menu, as opposed to playing a recording, or similar) |
| [04:59:01] | clever: | not that i know of |
| [04:59:10] | clever: | but there is one to exit from a recording when idle |
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| [05:00:17] | mzb_d800: | exit from a recording? |
| [05:00:30] | clever: | like you hit the escape key |
| [05:00:37] | mzb_d800: | ok |
| [05:00:38] | clever: | returns to the menu/ppb |
| [05:00:51] | clever: | helps to stop it from doing livetv for 5 days:P |
| [05:00:51] | mzb_d800: | is that a setting, or a script ...? |
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| [05:00:58] | clever: | its a hidden setting |
| [05:01:27] | clever: | | value | data | hostname | |
| [05:01:30] | clever: | | LiveTVIdleTimeout | 45 | NULL | |
| [05:01:43] | clever: | after 45mins of playback without any input, it will ask if your still there, then stop playing |
| [05:01:43] | mzb_d800: | so what determines idle? |
| [05:01:58] | clever: | im guessing keyboard/lirc events |
| [05:02:05] | mzb_d800: | sounds like it needs to detect eyes ;) |
| [05:02:22] | mzb_d800: | hmm ... I can see why it's "hidden" |
| [05:02:24] | clever: | usualy i hit the commskip enough to keep it happy |
| [05:02:42] | clever: | but sometimes i have a show going in the bg for noise and it starts to ask 'still there?!?!' |
| [05:03:04] | mzb_d800: | what happens? popup? |
| [05:03:15] | clever: | yeah |
| [05:03:24] | clever: | popup asking if your still there, yes/no |
| [05:03:33] | mzb_d800: | ok |
| [05:03:33] | clever: | set it to 3mins and youll easily get it |
| [05:03:40] | mzb_d800: | that sounds ok |
| [05:03:47] | mzb_d800: | might try that out as well |
| [05:04:05] | clever: | sometimes my dad turns the tv off without stoping the livetv |
| [05:04:09] | clever: | so it winds up running for hours:P |
| [05:04:17] | mzb_d800: | I want to ensure the box shuts down if it's left in a menu though ... might have to think about it |
| [05:04:27] | clever: | yeah that would take a bit more work |
| [05:04:53] | clever: | has the autoshutdown system been commited to trunk yet? |
| [05:05:08] | clever: | the old style would wait for every system to become idle before shuting the whole network down |
| [05:05:16] | mzb_d800: | this is on an install of 0.21-fixes (up to date) |
| [05:05:21] | clever: | ah |
| [05:05:25] | mzb_d800: | standalone box |
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| [05:05:38] | clever: | somebody was working on a new method to let slaves turn on/off seperately |
| [05:06:30] | mzb_d800: | yeah, I found it a bit nasty to deal with: separate machines for master, fileserver, tuners and frontends |
| [05:06:49] | mzb_d800: | but this isn't my machine, and it's standalone, so should be fine |
| [05:06:54] | clever: | i wanted to have a purely job running slave shutdown after it was done |
| [05:07:04] | mzb_d800: | ..if I can debug wake issues :|| |
| [05:07:05] | clever: | so i could turn the c2d on to run jobs and it shut itself off |
| [05:07:21] | clever: | but then mythtv goes and trys to shut the whole network down! |
| [05:07:26] | mzb_d800: | yep |
| [05:07:51] | mzb_d800: | had to insert a lot of dummy shutdown commands on various machines to test this ... but got bored with the idea |
| [05:07:53] | clever: | including the center of the irc network i run:P |
| [05:07:58] | mzb_d800: | heh |
| [05:08:02] | clever: | i started with dummy scripts |
| [05:08:17] | clever: | it would simply call the 'beep' command and echo to a log file |
| [05:08:25] | mzb_d800: | my tuner BE is downstairs, so if I'm testing this it's a pita |
| [05:08:39] | clever: | and $HOME for mythtv is shared thru nfs, so i can add to ~/bin/ and the script works everywhere |
| [05:08:41] | mzb_d800: | (lot's of stairs, heavy garage door, etc) |
| [05:08:46] | mzb_d800: | ah |
| [05:09:02] | mzb_d800: | I can't find that idle setting |
| [05:09:03] | clever: | log files in ~ are also easily shared |
| [05:09:09] | clever: | its not there by default |
| [05:09:12] | mzb_d800: | ok |
| [05:09:17] | clever: | its only read by the code and nothing sets it |
| [05:09:22] | clever: | have to manualy insert it |
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| [05:09:37] | mzb_d800: | minutes? |
| [05:09:41] | clever: | i beleive so |
| [05:10:08] | mzb_d800: | might set it to 120 and see what happens (complaint-wise;) |
| [05:10:38] | clever: | will need a 2 hour recording then:P |
| [05:10:48] | mzb_d800: | not planning on testing it ;) |
| [05:10:57] | mzb_d800: | it's a "feature" ;))) |
| [05:11:05] | mzb_d800: | *cough* *splutter* |
| [05:11:23] | mzb_d800: | is there a way of telling where mythfrontend is (from a script) ? |
| [05:11:37] | clever: | telnet control thingy |
| [05:11:46] | mzb_d800: | oh yeah, rings a bell |
| [05:11:51] | clever: | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:6546 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 28325/mythfrontend |
| [05:12:01] | clever: | nc theP4 6546 |
| [05:12:15] | clever: | query location |
| [05:12:17] | clever: | MainMenu |
| [05:12:28] | clever: | it lies!, im in 'upcomming recordings'! |
| [05:13:08] | mzb_d800: | heh |
| [05:13:22] | clever: | Playback Recorded 00:00:03 of 00:14:27 1x 1110 2009-02–27T00:59:00 90 /media/videos/1tb/myth/1110_20090227005900.mpg 29.97 |
| [05:13:30] | clever: | atleast it can tell recordings appart from menus |
| [05:13:46] | mzb_d800: | still trying to work out the wakeup issues ... sometimes it works, sometimes not ... not sure if the spots in front of my eyes are real :| |
| [05:14:19] | clever: | # query recording 1110 2009-02–27T00:59:00 |
| [05:14:19] | clever: | 1110 2009-02–27T00:59:00 CSI: Crime Scene Investigation -"Kill Me if You Can" |
| [05:14:22] | mzb_d800: | hmm ... odd, thought I had telnet control enabled |
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| [05:15:05] | mzb_d800: | yep it's set on ... ah, there it is |
| [05:15:51] | clever: | thats odd |
| [05:15:54] | mzb_d800: | still, hopefully they'll be happy with the idea of waking the machine up with the remote instead of (as well as) the IR keyboard |
| [05:15:59] | clever: | they discovered 3 bodies in csi |
| [05:16:05] | clever: | in the first 4mins |
| [05:16:09] | clever: | its usualy 2 per show |
| [05:16:24] | mzb_d800: | going over quota? ;) |
| [05:16:28] | JohnQ: | Looks like reverting to an older nvidia driver fixed it. |
| [05:16:34] | clever: | my P4 box can wake up from a PS2 keyboard |
| [05:16:43] | clever: | and i can control which key from the bios |
| [05:16:47] | clever: | space, power, or any |
| [05:16:51] | mzb_d800: | yeah, the IR kbd is PS2 receiver |
| [05:17:00] | clever: | if you has a wireless PS2 keyboard you can do that easily |
| [05:17:15] | mzb_d800: | the new remote came with the tuner, and generates PME (?) event |
| [05:17:17] | mzb_d800: | quite neat |
| [05:17:22] | clever: | nice |
| [05:17:33] | clever: | my receiver is still the one that came with the pvr150 |
| [05:17:41] | mzb_d800: | also means I get the other remote and the streamzap receiver back (I have uses for it;) |
| [05:17:48] | clever: | and the driver causes a kernel OOPS so i havent been able to use it for months |
| [05:18:05] | mzb_d800: | doesn't sound too friendly |
| [05:18:16] | clever: | it worked fine until i did a apt-get dist-upgrade |
| [05:19:19] | mzb_d800: | lol ... of course it's not listening ... I'm in mythwelcome! duh!! |
| [05:19:27] | clever: | lol! |
| [05:20:18] | mzb_d800: | ok, is there an idle timer somewhere? Like "last time button pressed" or similar? |
| [05:20:31] | clever: | dont know |
| [05:20:55] | clever: | id grep the code for LiveTVIdleTimeout to see how it functions |
| [05:21:47] | mzb_d800: | well, if I check for "current location" and it returns "MainMenu" and 10 minutes later it returns the same thing, I can't assume that it's been there the whole time |
| [05:21:58] | clever: | yeah |
| [05:22:02] | mzb_d800: | going to have give it a bit more intelligence |
| [05:22:27] | clever: | i beleive lirc is a 1 writer, many reader thing |
| [05:22:47] | mzb_d800: | err, yeah I guess |
| [05:23:00] | clever: | so you can listen in on the lirc events without causing a problem |
| [05:23:02] | mzb_d800: | but I can't assume they'll only use the remote |
| [05:23:06] | clever: | yeah |
| [05:23:21] | clever: | X11 key logger type stuff owuld solve the keyboard angle |
| [05:23:29] | mzb_d800: | I also need to see if my reverse tunnel works ... bit hard to test from here ;) |
| [05:23:30] | clever: | though its better to do it properly from within mythfrontend |
| [05:23:44] | mzb_d800: | I think I might do something like this: |
| [05:24:05] | mzb_d800: | every 5 minutes: query location |
| [05:24:32] | mzb_d800: | if the result is the same as the contents of "/tmp/mythtv_location" then add another line to it |
| [05:24:47] | mzb_d800: | if not, truncate the file and add entry |
| [05:25:17] | clever: | dont forget to check mythjobqueue to see if the hostname is doing jobs |
| [05:25:33] | mzb_d800: | if the length of the file is >25 and location != (doing something important) then exit mythfrontend |
| [05:25:45] | mzb_d800: | nope, don't need that ... that's mythwelcome's job |
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| [05:26:22] | clever: | ahh yes |
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| [05:26:29] | mzb_d800: | I _only_ need to check to see what the user is doing |
| [05:26:53] | mzb_d800: | and I figure if it's in the same spot for 2 hrs (checked every 5 mins) then it's idle ;) |
| [05:27:17] | clever: | i could be editing recording schedules |
| [05:27:23] | clever: | and that claims to be 'MainMenu' |
| [05:27:28] | mzb_d800: | that takes care of the "we got too horny watching pornos on the mythbox so we forgot to turn it off when we went to bed" issue |
| [05:27:36] | clever: | lol |
| [05:27:38] | mzb_d800: | for two hours? |
| [05:27:48] | clever: | idle for 1h 45m |
| [05:27:51] | clever: | editing for 15m |
| [05:27:55] | clever: | wtf it closed on its own! |
| [05:28:07] | mzb_d800: | ie: yeah, these ppl have a life ;) |
| [05:28:24] | mzb_d800: | I doubt they'd spend more than 5 mins scheduling programmes ;) |
| [05:28:37] | clever: | it takes 60s to reschedule:( |
| [05:28:42] | mzb_d800: | yep |
| [05:28:44] | clever: | 5mins is just 5 overrides |
| [05:29:11] | mzb_d800: | judging by their recordings they've scheduled about 5 shows since I first left the box with them ;) |
| [05:29:24] | mzb_d800: | mostly for their child |
| [05:29:31] | mzb_d800: | however, things are now going to change |
| [05:29:54] | mzb_d800: | 1. she has chosen the music videos she wants (all *bl00dy* 427 of them!) |
| [05:30:02] | clever: | lol |
| [05:30:38] | mzb_d800: | I've been writing a script that autocrops and compresses, but imagine how many of those need to be done by hand .... took a day! |
| [05:30:41] | mzb_d800: | 2. she's "due" in June |
| [05:30:47] | mzb_d800: | 3. they now have a dual tuner |
| [05:31:07] | mzb_d800: | might become a busy little box in the near future |
| [05:31:18] | mzb_d800: | does an excellent job for an M10K |
| [05:32:13] | mzb_d800: | and he's running the whole thing with rabbit ears!!! ffs! |
| [05:32:25] | clever: | http://hackaday.com/2009/02/25/sheevaplug-tiny-linux-server/ |
| [05:32:25] | clever: | mzb_d800: did you see that? |
| [05:32:32] | mzb_d800: | I think so |
| [05:32:39] | mzb_d800: | yep |
| [05:32:49] | clever: | its a 99$ dev kit with bulk pricing of 50$ |
| [05:32:58] | mzb_d800: | don't wan't one, even though they sound quite interesting |
| [05:32:59] | clever: | you could probly add a VGA port with little work |
| [05:33:07] | mzb_d800: | USB/VGA |
| [05:33:13] | clever: | it has 2 usb ports |
| [05:33:22] | clever: | now you have a whole damn frontend in the size of a wall-wart power suply |
| [05:34:08] | mzb_d800: | only thing I'd want it for (at this stage) is for asterisk pbx ... but I wouldn't be keen to go off i386 just for that |
| [05:34:09] | clever: | 1 normal usb port, and 1 mini-usb for pluging it into a computer |
| [05:34:37] | mzb_d800: | yeah, wouldn't expect the video out to be anything great |
| [05:34:41] | JohnQ: | I'm loving HD. I should have done this upgrade long ago. |
| [05:34:59] | clever: | mzb_d800: why not? |
| [05:35:08] | ** mzb_d800 looks longingly at JohnQ's equipment ** | |
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| [05:35:25] | mzb_d800: | USB/VGA ... hmm |
| [05:35:35] | clever: | usb based vga 'card'? |
| [05:35:44] | JohnQ: | nothing too crazy. Just a HDHomeRun and a myth |
| [05:35:47] | mzb_d800: | yeah ... have a look at openwrt |
| [05:36:29] | clever: | ive seen some openwrt line clones being used as a radio |
| [05:36:39] | clever: | used a usb sound card |
| [05:36:43] | mzb_d800: | JohnQ: I can record HD ok, and I should (in theory) have the capacity, but I've only got one machine in the house (with a screen) that's fast enough to watch it ... and I don't watch TV in here ;) |
| [05:37:03] | mzb_d800: | clever: yeah, using USB audio on this machine. It sucks |
| [05:37:11] | clever: | lol |
| [05:37:27] | clever: | now that you mention it, that tiny system lacks audio also |
| [05:37:36] | clever: | would need a usb hub and then vid/aud on that |
| [05:37:42] | mzb_d800: | either way, I've got a fair bit of experience with arm, and I wouldn't want to do anything that intensive with it |
| [05:38:01] | clever: | doesnt sound easy to add VGA output? |
| [05:38:07] | clever: | its clocked at over 1ghz! |
| [05:38:15] | ** JohnQ has a mobo with dvi out -> hdmi -> sharp Aquos 42" mmmmm ** | |
| [05:38:17] | mzb_d800: | yeah, all numbers |
| [05:38:37] | clever: | they also give out enough details to make your own from parts |
| [05:38:37] | mzb_d800: | mythtv backend maybe, but as a frontend .... nah, don't reckon |
| [05:38:40] | clever: | http://www.marvell.com/featured/plugcomputing.jsp |
| [05:38:53] | clever: | yeah it could also function as a backend for HD capture via USB |
| [05:39:07] | clever: | 5 watts |
| [05:39:40] | mzb_d800: | but then again, USB tuners can be a right pita if the wind is blowing in the wrong direction, or you're wearing a red tie ;) |
| [05:39:53] | clever: | use it with a network tuner then |
| [05:39:58] | clever: | make it the master backend |
| [05:40:14] | clever: | add in the patch to selectively turn the other slaves on/off and you have a min power usage of 5 watts |
| [05:40:53] | mzb_d800: | if I got given a few dozen of them and was told "do something interesting with these, I'll buy you a house when you've finished" then I might be more interested ;) |
| [05:41:04] | clever: | lol |
| [05:41:56] | mzb_d800: | I have bought an interesting plugpack-styled device recently, though |
| [05:42:13] | mzb_d800: | the Australian equivalent of the Kill-A-Watt (made in China) |
| [05:42:21] | clever: | ahh |
| [05:42:22] | mzb_d800: | programming is a b!tch |
| [05:42:41] | mzb_d800: | but at least I know that the new washing machine costs about 6 cents for a daily load ;) |
| [05:42:51] | mzb_d800: | (instructions are useless) |
| [05:42:55] | clever: | i recently tore out my whole KVM |
| [05:43:01] | clever: | and several pounds of cords |
| [05:43:17] | clever: | its left on 24/7 because it tends to hardlock if i turn it on wrong |
| [05:43:31] | clever: | it also screwed up with the power saving feature of the monitor |
| [05:43:43] | clever: | removing it will have savings in 2 places:) |
| [05:44:31] | clever: | i was solving that by putting a wireless switch(meant for x-mas lights) on the monitor |
| [05:45:06] | clever: | mzb_d800: what work have you done with ARM's? |
| [05:45:31] | mzb_d800: | I founded the h2200-port on handhelds.org, and wrote ramdisk-rescue |
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| [05:48:25] | mzb_d800: | sure, even the fastest I've played with (hx4700) is still half the speed of what you're talking about, they have a few important weaknesses that (imo) make them pretty poor choice for multimedia, regardless of the speed |
| [05:48:29] | clever: | that site is taking forever to load:( |
| [05:48:44] | clever: | what kind of weakness? |
| [05:48:53] | mzb_d800: | no fpu? :) |
| [05:48:56] | clever: | ahh |
| [05:49:08] | clever: | so you need to emulate the math core! |
| [05:49:51] | mzb_d800: | yeah, they used to do it that way, then they moved to EABI, iirc |
| [05:49:58] | mzb_d800: | still *slow* |
| [05:50:09] | clever: | so h264 is out of the question:P |
| [05:50:11] | mzb_d800: | no multimedia extensions of any kind |
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| [05:50:28] | clever: | and SDTV could probly struggle |
| [05:50:44] | clever: | but i dont see how either of those affect a master backend |
| [05:51:01] | mzb_d800: | and with the way things can be hacked in with GPIO's, you never know between each manufacturer if they've done it nicely enough so that it doesn't conflict with something else |
| [05:51:12] | mzb_d800: | no, they dont. Nor a tuner BE |
| [05:53:16] | mzb_d800: | grr.. out of paper ... brb5 |
| [05:53:31] | clever: | bladder full, brb! |
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| [05:58:16] | mzb_d800: | . |
| [05:58:23] | clever: | wb |
| [05:58:44] | ** mzb_d800 bows ** | |
| [05:58:55] | mzb_d800: | ^H^H^Hcurtsies |
| [06:01:12] | mzb_d800: | bugger, can't find my old telnet stuff |
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| [06:15:45] | mzb_d800: | could have sworn I had a super-simple method |
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| [06:47:56] | mzb_d800: | clever: I think I'll just poll for locations = PlaybackBox MainMenu videogallery mythgallery |
| [06:48:31] | mzb_d800: | if I get > 24 occurrences of that (ie: 2 hrs!) then kill mythfrontend. Sound feasible? |
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| [06:48:49] | mzb_d800: | ie: 24 of the _same_ thing |
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| [06:51:21] | mzb_d800: | woah .. something screwy with playback ... wtf? |
| [06:52:30] | mzb_d800: | err ... better wind back the xorg.conf changes made for testing |
| [07:07:58] | mzb_d800: | hmm ~2hrs 'till pickup ... this'll be fun |
| [07:26:46] | Dagmar: | What problem are you actually having, anyway |
| [07:26:58] | Dagmar: | It seems like maybe you are just making more work for yourself |
| [07:27:18] | Dagmar: | I might be able to suggest something more elegant in the way of a solution |
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| [07:29:27] | high-rez: | Woot. Ran ethernet between my frontroom and computer room. Backend now goes onto the server. :D |
| [07:29:49] | Dagmar: | Pinned the cable by t568b? |
| [07:29:57] | Dagmar: | ...or did you use a storebought one |
| [07:30:10] | Dagmar: | (just trying to save you some pain later) |
| [07:30:28] | high-rez: | crimped it myself |
| [07:30:35] | high-rez: | it's been a long time since I had to make a cable. :) |
| [07:30:46] | Dagmar: | okay, so then you know you have to pin the thing in a certain order |
| [07:30:50] | Dagmar: | Some people don't. |
| [07:30:54] | Dagmar: | S'always good to check |
| [07:31:15] | high-rez: | making the cable was the easy part. Using the steel fish tape to pull the thing under the carpet? hell. |
| [07:31:25] | Dagmar: | Oh lord |
| [07:31:46] | Dagmar: | Haha this might not be the time to bring it up, but you know they make more-or-less flat ethernet for that, right? |
| [07:31:59] | wagnerrp: | any suggestion on how hot i can run a P3? |
| [07:32:15] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: That depends on how long you want it to live |
| [07:32:16] | high-rez: | I didn't know that – but I got the cable for a real good price at frys. |
| [07:32:32] | Dagmar: | high-rez: I tend to stalk big hardware stores |
| [07:32:50] | Dagmar: | Cat 6 doesn't sell all that often, so they get panicky and put it on sale a few times a year |
| [07:33:00] | Dagmar: | The last spool of 1,000 ft I got for about $35 |
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| [07:33:13] | high-rez: | They had mismarked the price and sold it to me for the mismarked price – which was about half of it's original price. |
| [07:33:20] | high-rez: | That's a good deal for 1000' of cat6 |
| [07:33:25] | Dagmar: | God. Screw those people |
| [07:33:29] | wagnerrp: | Dagmar: well considering its already ~10yrs old, im not too concerned with it kicking out |
| [07:33:46] | high-rez: | I would have run it in the attic, but half of my ceiling is vaulted :( |
| [07:33:46] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: Ah, then probably 130F would make a good upper target then |
| [07:33:56] | wagnerrp: | just looking to run it fanless, wondering if i should pick up a new heatsink |
| [07:34:11] | Dagmar: | I'd get a low-rotation fan and duct it |
| [07:34:19] | Dagmar: | Any airflow is better than convection |
| [07:34:30] | wagnerrp: | yeah, thats another option |
| [07:34:33] | high-rez: | Dagmar: Which store did you find it at for that price ? |
| [07:34:34] | Dagmar: | p3's aren't really meant to run fanless |
| [07:34:40] | Dagmar: | high-rez: Dude, Lowe's. :) |
| [07:34:50] | Dagmar: | hardware stores carry the stuff, but they don't get many geeks in |
| [07:34:51] | high-rez: | Damn. Lowes was outrageously expensive |
| [07:34:56] | Dagmar: | ...so the spools just sit there |
| [07:35:11] | wagnerrp: | im just worried about it since its a rather tiny sink |
| [07:35:21] | Dagmar: | A few times a year the management will go "OMG we have to get this stuff out the door to make room for newer spools!" and they'll mark it down |
| [07:35:26] | wagnerrp: | 4 minutes in the BIOS, and its up to 115F |
| [07:35:32] | high-rez: | Our Frys is in the same parking lot as the lowes. I thoght the Fry's price was bad, so I went to lowes – which was worse. I normally would have gone to graybar or platt electric – but they're not open so late. |
| [07:35:47] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: Well, you're going to find out how well it's thermal throttling works once it gets under load I'll bet |
| [07:36:03] | wagnerrp: | up to 120... yeah, its rising too fast |
| [07:36:24] | Dagmar: | high-rez: Home Depot is another good place to checl |
| [07:36:30] | Dagmar: | s/checl/check/; |
| [07:36:35] | high-rez: | is this motherboard sensor temp or core sensor temp ? |
| [07:37:10] | Dagmar: | If it's the motherboard sensor he's about to lose a CPU |
| [07:37:15] | wagnerrp: | BIOS health printouts |
| [07:37:28] | wagnerrp: | the one for the CPU |
| [07:37:46] | high-rez: | Core 3: +50 C (high = +100 C) |
| [07:37:48] | Dagmar: | ...considering you can usually add 20F to the mobo temps... |
| [07:38:03] | high-rez: | But the "CPU" temp sensors says 40C |
| [07:38:05] | Dagmar: | high-rez: Dude that can't be a useful upper limit |
| [07:38:18] | high-rez: | Man these cores go to 85c |
| [07:38:24] | high-rez: | seriously, make -j 4 |
| [07:38:36] | high-rez: | and run sensors a couple of time and they get crazy hot |
| [07:38:37] | Dagmar: | Not even the Athlon "HeatMaster" 450Mhz line would go to 100C |
| [07:39:03] | wagnerrp: | last time i heard of someone hitting 85C, he was getting weird compile anomalies |
| [07:39:04] | high-rez: | This is a QX6850 quad core 3ghz. Runs very hot. |
| [07:39:16] | Dagmar: | BLazes like the freaking sun you mean |
| [07:39:20] | Dagmar: | That's not "very hot" |
| [07:39:27] | wagnerrp: | and this was on a Q6600 |
| [07:39:30] | Dagmar: | That's "this sensor must be misreporting" |
| [07:39:52] | Dagmar: | The 550Mhz CPU I mentioned is *by far* the hottest running thing I've ever owned. |
| [07:39:57] | Dagmar: | It runs _happy_ at 160F. |
| [07:40:07] | Dagmar: | Everything else has been 20 degrees below that |
| [07:40:17] | high-rez: | I kinda hope so. Unfortiunately it's in a little tiny case with poor airflow. I'm going to pull it and replace it with a core solo 1.8ghz |
| [07:40:27] | high-rez: | (since vdpau has been working so well I don't need a good cpu anymore) |
| [07:40:31] | Dagmar: | Mind you, to get the damn thing to stay below 162F under load, I had to use both a peltier effect cooler AND one of those golden orb monsters |
| [07:41:03] | high-rez: | I underclock this thing to 2ghz just to keep my peace of mind. |
| [07:44:09] | Dagmar: | At a steady 185F you're talkign about I'd be expecting to see the heat sinks start to sag |
| [07:44:19] | Dagmar: | God forbid you turn it off and then take out the HSF too soon |
| [07:44:46] | Dagmar: | My old housemate was horrible about maintaining his machines. |
| [07:44:56] | Dagmar: | Never, ever replaced fans until after they'd failed, and he smoked. |
| [07:45:31] | Dagmar: | I had to emergency repair his desktop one night because he was remoted into it, and basically, the HSF was full of dust and smoke debris, *choked* and his CPU was pegging just 165F |
| [07:45:34] | Dagmar: | ...and not taking it well. |
| [07:45:37] | wagnerrp: | i find it absolutely amazing how quickly i can lose things |
| [07:45:48] | Dagmar: | Definitely pinked my fingers |
| [07:46:04] | wagnerrp: | i walk over to the closet, pick up a power cable, walk back to my desk, looked for something else, lost the power cable |
| [07:46:38] | Dagmar: | There are repair shops more poorly stocked than my closet |
| [07:47:00] | Dagmar: | I learned long ago to invest in wire racks and buckets until all space was filled |
| [07:47:34] | high-rez: | So. I got my slave backend mostly working. But I have a problem when channel #'s overlap (e.g. both the slave and master have the same video source). |
| [07:47:46] | Dagmar: | They both have tuners? |
| [07:47:50] | high-rez: | Yeah |
| [07:47:53] | Dagmar: | It shouldn't really be a problem |
| [07:47:53] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i have a bunch of shelves in my closet, that i partitioned into different categories |
| [07:48:04] | high-rez: | It would never tune to the slave's video sources. |
| [07:48:07] | wagnerrp: | power, network, ata, usb, phone, audio.... |
| [07:48:17] | Dagmar: | It doesn't try to load balance |
| [07:48:28] | Dagmar: | So yeah, the jobs won't really go to the slave very often |
| [07:48:47] | high-rez: | Right, but I made the master busy my scheudling stuff on it |
| [07:48:51] | high-rez: | To force the slave to do something. |
| [07:49:08] | high-rez: | I don't know. I think I may have messed something up. |
| [07:49:11] | wagnerrp: | seems its the intake fan making all the noise... even at 7V |
| [07:49:23] | wagnerrp: | guess i have to pull the iron back out and drop it to 5V |
| [07:52:26] | Dibblah: | Well, good to see Chutt took the project being ripped out from under him well... |
| [07:52:36] | Dibblah: | ;) |
| [07:53:08] | ** kormoc raises an eyebrow ** | |
| [07:53:36] | Dibblah: | The Let's Rename The Channels plan... |
| [07:53:47] | kormoc: | ooh, yeah |
| [07:56:56] | wagnerrp: | i need to grow a third hand... |
| [07:57:07] | Dagmar: | I don't want to know why. |
| [07:57:43] | Dagmar: | I suspect they had a bad time of it from the noobs during the last PTR test |
| [07:57:46] | Dagmar: | wrong chan |
| [07:57:50] | wagnerrp: | either that, or just buy a desk clamp |
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| [08:08:30] | high-rez: | so friggin weird |
| [08:09:01] | high-rez: | it doesn't even acknowledge that the other channels are available |
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| [08:32:09] | wagnerrp: | well i tied off a spare quiet 80mm fan above the heatsink, and cut the PSU fan to 5V |
| [08:32:42] | wagnerrp: | its almost silent next to my other computers, but im worried i might kill the PSU |
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| [08:33:10] | wagnerrp: | seems to be stabilizing around 93F |
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| [09:03:20] | spook: | g'day, on a certain channel i sometimes have problems. the audio and video becomes corrupted, sorta like dropped "packets" however its persistent. but it only happens sometimes, not same time everyday, nor day etc etc. all other times its perfect. what can i do to work out what it is? |
| [09:04:24] | Tanthrix: | spook: Digital tuner card? |
| [09:05:58] | Tanthrix: | spook: Assuming it is, it's likely reception issues. Reduce the number of splitters between your card and cable source. Replace any cables that seem to be poor quality or are otherwise suspect. |
| [09:06:30] | Tanthrix: | spook: Potentially a coax amp could solve your problems, but only if you have a good signal at the entry point and have issues due to too many splitters / long cable runs. |
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| [09:06:31] | spook: | its dvb-t yeah. but its perfect like 90% of the time/ |
| [09:06:55] | Tanthrix: | Oh, over the air? Get a better antenna, or play around with the position of your current one. |
| [09:07:40] | spook: | the reception is perfect 100% of the time, on all other channels. |
| [09:08:32] | Tanthrix: | Different frequencies can be affected by signal issues moreso than others. Nothing on your mythsetup should/could ever make one channel have occasional issues, while all the others work perfectly. |
| [09:09:58] | spook: | whats the best way to get the signal information from mythtv? |
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| [09:13:15] | Tanthrix: | spook: You know, I'm not really sure. I know it flashes by when you first tune a channel, and you can get some info from mythtv-setup, but I don't know if there is a way to bring it up in real time. |
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| [09:14:25] | spook: | currently signal: 99% signal noise: 4.8dB |
| [09:14:58] | Tanthrix: | Regardless, I wouldn't trust those numbers all that much. Especially if there is an intermittant source causing your troubles. |
| [09:15:35] | Tanthrix: | All you can really do is play around with your cables, splitters, and antenna and see if it improves or not. |
| [09:16:19] | Tanthrix: | Unless you happen to have some 5k Fluke signal analyser, that is. ;-) |
| [09:16:28] | spook: | as far as i can work out, nothing is different between it being screwy and not. |
| [09:17:23] | Tanthrix: | Signal issues are like that. Especially if you're really close to being perfect. Then it just blips when the neighbor turns the microwave on, or a bird flies between the tower and your antenna. ;) |
| [09:17:46] | spook: | but this happens for hours at a time |
| [09:18:04] | Tanthrix: | Well, that's good then – next time it happens, you can start fidgeting with things until it works. |
| [09:18:27] | spook: | its happening now :) |
| [09:18:45] | Tanthrix: | You are right that is a bit odd for it to be so consistent. Not sure what to tell you, other than that it is extremely unlikely your myth setup has anything to do with the issue. |
| [09:19:11] | spook: | yeah i get that. |
| [09:19:13] | Tanthrix: | If it were me, I'd start removing splitters and see if that makes a difference. Try rotating your antenna, that sort of thing. |
| [09:20:12] | spook: | as far as i know, its only 2 splitters |
| [09:20:19] | Tanthrix: | Me, I'm about 400 feet from the pole, so I have issues with my coax. Myth reports a 98 percent signal strenth, but I still get occasional dropouts and stuff. |
| [09:20:27] | Tanthrix: | That can be quite a bit, especially for an antenna. |
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| [09:20:47] | spook: | and removing one made no difference. and its only about 30 meters max |
| [09:21:34] | Tanthrix: | That's a decent run of cable, though I admit that I am no expert on OTA stuff. Had cable for years, so I'm out of the loop. |
| [09:23:42] | Tanthrix: | Regardless, experience has taught me that cable issues can be surprisingly deceptive. It doesn't take much to cause some sort of signal degradation, especially with today's digital streams. A bad connector, too long of run, etc.. all can add up. |
| [09:24:21] | spook: | now to figure out how to stream livetv to my eeepc and to get up on the roof |
| [09:24:24] | Tanthrix: | If you can connect your system right to the antenna with minimal cable run, and it still has the issue, that would at least rule out splitters / cables, etc, leaving you to look at your antenna. Probably a pain to do that though I suspect. |
| [09:24:44] | spook: | yes very much a pain :) |
| [09:25:01] | Tanthrix: | Do you have a signal amp? |
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| [09:28:39] | spook: | Tanthrix: not that i know of. |
| [09:29:11] | Tanthrix: | Well, if you have a local consumer electronics store nearby with a good return policy, you could pick one up, install it at the antenna, and see if that makes a difference. |
| [09:29:36] | Tanthrix: | That will amplify your signal, and it would render any issues of cable runs likely moot. |
| [09:30:04] | spook: | might over do the signal for other channels though |
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| [09:30:22] | Tanthrix: | That is true. That's why adjustable ones are nice. |
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| [09:41:20] | Tanthrix: | Well, I suppose I am off to bed. Don't fall of your roof, spook. ;-) |
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| [09:53:19] | spook: | Tanthrix: thanks |
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| [10:02:52] | Rince: | morning |
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| [10:14:29] | Spruit_elf: | does some know a working forecast script for city's outside north america? bbc script is currently broken |
| [10:17:08] | gbee: | so of course you reported that breakage |
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| [10:21:51] | gbee: | Spruit_elf: what's wrong with the BBC script? Works just fine here |
| [10:22:18] | Spruit_elf: | the location search function does not work anymore for me |
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| [10:23:34] | Spruit_elf: | ghee: i'm using the one provided by mythbuntu, but looking in the svn repo it seems that it is up to date |
| [10:25:30] | Rince: | Hmm, do you knwo how I can have two IRs configured with lirc? I have one in my box (Antec) which is also for the lc-display, bit since I can not use that IR-receiver there, I have to use my pvr-350-receiver... |
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| [10:34:00] | gbee: | Spruit_elf: ok, looks like parsing of searches that only produce one result is broken, I'll fix it but for now just phrase the search so that multiple results including the one you want are returned |
| [10:34:24] | gbee: | e.g. don't enter the full postcode, or enter the first 3 letters of the town/city |
| [10:36:18] | Spruit_elf: | ghee: thanks it works! |
| [10:43:38] | gbee: | ugh, the bastards have wrapped the rss feed links in javascript for single search results |
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| [10:45:39] | Speedy2: | Hey all. Anyone here use a PCI or USB ATSC adapter with MythTV? |
| [10:45:45] | Speedy2: | Trying to find one that works "the best" |
| [10:46:42] | gbee: | ah, but made the rss location ids easy to parse still |
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| [11:30:19] | grokky: | Grrr. I knew I shouldnt have tried nvidia driver 180.35. rollback time. |
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| [11:34:26] | laga: | what's so bad about it? |
| [11:37:01] | grokky: | no workies. I get "QProcess: Destroyed while process is still running" from mythfrontend and no menu. Lots of people on nv forums saying signal probs with qt. |
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| [11:37:17] | laga: | is it a beta driver? |
| [11:37:36] | gbee: | laga: completely broken, lots of people having system-wide problems following the upgrade |
| [11:38:00] | grokky: | of course, I read those and tried it anyway. back to 180.29 and it is fine. I'd advise against 180.35. |
| [11:38:16] | grokky: | laga: Its stable (supposedly). |
| [11:38:37] | laga: | ah, great. :( |
| [11:42:22] | GreyFoxx: | it messed me up pretty good until I reverted back |
| [11:42:52] | GreyFoxx: | file permissions were off on my dvd drives, cdrecord was bitching doing a --scanbus, QT was complaining |
| [11:43:09] | GreyFoxx: | went back to 180.29 and eveything was back to normal |
| [11:43:28] | GreyFoxx: | all of the problems were things I never wouldhave suspected being caused by the video driver :) |
| [11:44:15] | grokky: | pretty impressive for a video driver. I suspect someone in NV is a bit red faced about now. Not as much as if they'd buggered the windows driver through. |
| [11:45:01] | grokky: | Why on earth is my box recording "My Big Breasts And Me"? |
| [11:45:07] | GreyFoxx: | hah |
| [11:46:21] | grokky: | drunken scheduling or the missus. Not that I'm complaining. I suppose I better "test" everything is working ok after my little video driver adventure. |
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| [14:40:14] | justinh: | hmmm .. postie was a bit late today but he brought good news. one of the burglars has been sent down for 2 years :) |
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| [15:14:43] | unixty: | hi |
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| [15:15:04] | unixty: | how to partition TB harddrive for mythtv? |
| [15:15:27] | unixty: | LVM? segmented? how big each segment? |
| [15:15:31] | unixty: | and so on |
| [15:15:50] | unixty: | I will expand this to 2TB shortly |
| [15:16:16] | justinh: | lvm isn't needed anymore |
| [15:16:31] | unixty: | ARE YOU SURE??!! |
| [15:16:36] | justinh: | you can make a recording group per partition |
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| [15:17:10] | unixty: | which implies more than one partition? |
| [15:17:40] | justinh: | you don't _need_ to use LVM |
| [15:17:43] | justinh: | it's your decision |
| [15:18:01] | unixty: | so a single partition for the entire drive? |
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| [15:21:18] | unixty: | ok got you |
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| [15:21:56] | justinh: | if you want, yeah. but if you'd rather waste time mucking around with lvm ;) |
| [15:25:24] | unixty: | waste time?? |
| [15:25:35] | unixty: | is like the easiest thing on earth |
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| [15:43:59] | gbee: | storage groups are easier and won't destroy your data |
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| [15:45:53] | gbee: | since you are talking about partitioning a single drive, just one big partition ... why would you do it differently? |
| [15:46:27] | gbee: | it's not important how it's partition, what is more relevant is what filesystem is used (xfs) |
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| [15:47:21] | unixty: | ok |
| [15:47:32] | unixty: | xfs of course :) |
| [15:47:54] | unixty: | what options with xfs? I mean optimize for myth sort of recordings? |
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| [15:49:55] | JEDIDIAH__: | expanding an lvm won't destroy your data either. |
| [15:50:37] | gbee: | JEDIDIAH__: the number of people I've seen lose data through failed LVM in here ... |
| [15:50:40] | gbee: | stay WELL clear |
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| [15:51:27] | gbee: | unixty: mount with allocsize=512m to avoid fragmentation of the large files |
| [15:51:52] | JEDIDIAH__: | sh*t happens regardless. you either prepare for that likelihood or not and live with the consequences. |
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| [15:52:51] | unixty: | JEDIDIAH__: consequences?? |
| [15:53:41] | JEDIDIAH__: | a logical volume is one big disk and will fail like one if any part of it fails (just like a physical disk) |
| [15:53:53] | unixty: | anyways is my frist!!111 time so it's sort of only for practice |
| [15:54:40] | unixty: | I have linux LVM installations, it's quite cool |
| [15:54:55] | unixty: | partitioning should have been like that from the get-go |
| [15:55:05] | ** JEDIDIAH__ has seen and used LVM in production systems on various Unixen without the sky falling. ** | |
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| [15:56:52] | unixty: | well is designed for that purpose, is not made for the amateur in mind |
| [15:57:20] | unixty: | it has all sort of backup and failover features |
| [15:57:26] | JEDIDIAH__: | you could say that Linux in general is like that. |
| [15:57:34] | unixty: | true |
| [15:57:59] | unixty: | amateurs benefit :) |
| [15:58:26] | unixty: | unlike vi$ta which is made with the stupid in mind IMHO |
| [15:58:41] | JEDIDIAH__: | if I am going to lose sleep over something it will be that my backups for the root disk of my master backend aren't good enough, rather than the possibility that one drive of 4 might trash all of my TV recordings. |
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| [15:58:59] | gbee: | point being why use LVM and take that risk when there are simpler, risk free alternatives |
| [15:59:34] | justinh: | risk free meaning if you lose a partition, you only lose what's on that partition :) |
| [16:00:12] | RyeBrye: | no, justinh – there is a magic partitioning scheme that will actually recreate all of your data – plus all of the data you were GOING to record on it |
| [16:00:15] | unixty: | by the way, I have never lost a partition or seen this sort of failure in LVM |
| [16:00:18] | gbee: | JEDIDIAH__: I'd suggest that it's the other way around for most people, root is meaningless to me, I don't bother backing it up because there is nothing that can't be restored in a couple of hours from a distro install disk |
| [16:00:19] | RyeBrye: | ;) |
| [16:00:38] | justinh: | making disk images of / can take longer than installing anew |
| [16:00:44] | justinh: | as can restoring |
| [16:00:46] | gbee: | recordings on the other hand span 4 years, restoring the lot would be impossible – and frankly backing them up is impractical |
| [16:00:56] | justinh: | so why bother? just back up your config files ;) |
| [16:01:01] | RyeBrye: | :O 4 years of recordings? |
| [16:01:17] | justinh: | back up the database regularly & keep your config files safe |
| [16:01:28] | gbee: | RyeBrye: obviously I'm not keeping everything, what I mean is that I still have recordings that I made 4 years ago |
| [16:01:36] | RyeBrye: | Ok :) |
| [16:01:55] | justinh: | well, seems like that ubunuts install was crying out to have 250 updates installed. see how it's doing this time next week I spose |
| [16:02:00] | RyeBrye: | I know some people here have more storage on their mythtv setups than some fortune 500 companies have in their data centers... ;) |
| [16:02:13] | unixty: | how about tape recorders? can I use mythv with a tape recorder? |
| [16:02:15] | ** JEDIDIAH__ raises hand ** | |
| [16:02:23] | justinh: | tape recorder? :-O |
| [16:02:24] | gbee: | films or series episodes that I particularly wanted to keep for some reason or which I just haven't got around to watching |
| [16:02:34] | JEDIDIAH__: | nothing is "risk free" |
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| [16:02:53] | gbee: | I quite probably have significantly less storage than the average mythtv user |
| [16:02:58] | justinh: | you can _always_ minimise your exposure to risk |
| [16:03:24] | justinh: | still too few people back up their database regularly |
| [16:03:37] | quicksilver: | I find the convenience of LVM outweighs the risks. |
| [16:03:39] | RyeBrye: | if you run trunk you do automatically ;) |
| [16:03:47] | gbee: | I'm not a pack rat like some, personally can't understand that behaviour |
| [16:03:47] | quicksilver: | It's great being able to add new disks without having to shuffle files around. |
| [16:03:51] | RyeBrye: | (backup the DB every time the schema changes) |
| [16:03:58] | justinh: | sure, the data is easily got again one way or the other but the metadata you take yonks to compile.. yeesh |
| [16:04:09] | RyeBrye: | meh. storage groups seems to make LVM not needed for myth imo |
| [16:04:20] | justinh: | for the amount of space it takes, BACK UP YOUR DATABASE OFTEN |
| [16:04:23] | RyeBrye: | unless you are adding a crapton of really small disks |
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| [16:04:32] | gbee: | quicksilver: replace or add? Can't see why adding new disks would automatically require moving any files |
| [16:04:40] | JEDIDIAH__: | useful metadata should be cached... probably not kosher in terms of TOS's |
| [16:04:40] | quicksilver: | gbee: replace, in fact. |
| [16:04:57] | justinh: | gbee: I was a file squirrel once. I think it's something you grow out of eventually ;) |
| [16:05:02] | quicksilver: | gbee: the case is full; when I add new disks, I replace the old ones. |
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| [16:05:26] | JEDIDIAH__: | I would rather the complexity be outside of Myth |
| [16:05:52] | justinh: | what's complex about storage groups? |
| [16:06:10] | justinh: | apart from nothing, I mean |
| [16:06:26] | JEDIDIAH__: | it's more complex than the previous way it was done. |
| [16:06:37] | unixty: | RyeBrye: more than 500 fortune companies??!!! for home used?? |
| [16:06:41] | justinh: | anyway you can use LVM if you want. don't come crying to me when it all goes pear-shaped |
| [16:06:59] | quicksilver: | and of course there is the advantage that if one of my disks breaks I don't lose anything, as long as it breaks in a way I notice. |
| [16:07:00] | ** JEDIDIAH__ will whine about cyrillic support instead. ** | |
| [16:07:08] | justinh: | starting to think that about ubuntu actually |
| [16:07:46] | justinh: | for all I do on my boxes I might aswell just use a mythtv based non-buntu distro |
| [16:08:03] | unixty: | ok so it started as pointless LVM and now I see that more ppl favor LVM |
| [16:08:17] | RyeBrye: | unixty – it was a bit of an exageration – but I think someone here has a double-digit terabyte raid-6 |
| [16:08:26] | JEDIDIAH__: | like anything else, you need to know what you're getting yourself into. |
| [16:08:47] | quicksilver: | RyeBrye: only if you count the digit after the decimal point :) |
| [16:09:09] | RyeBrye: | doesn't iamlindoro or kormoc have like 12 TB or something nuts? |
| [16:09:18] | justinh: | not more people. just happens that two people here like it. two very vocal people. Personally, I don't care. Do whatever |
| [16:09:24] | JEDIDIAH__: | This box has 8.5TB |
| [16:09:41] | tanderson: | hi, where does mythfilldatabase look for mysql.txt? |
| [16:09:41] | jackson__: | ...are those TB's fault tolerant? :) |
| [16:09:43] | RyeBrye: | I'm going to eventually add a few more 1.5 TB's to my box |
| [16:09:56] | JEDIDIAH__: | nope, just JBOD |
| [16:09:58] | RyeBrye: | I'll just set up storage groups accordingly |
| [16:10:35] | RyeBrye: | I'd rather have more recordings with the risk of losing a chunk of them than less recordings and little chance of losing any |
| [16:10:36] | justinh: | tanderson: in the home dir of the user running it |
| [16:10:44] | unixty: | hey, I forgot how I did it but one time I had no mores space and I did LIVE partiton LVM resizing, xfs resizing and data migration !!! I was speechless when it all turned out well without having to reboot |
| [16:10:52] | RyeBrye: | I don't have a SLA with my wife over storage retention |
| [16:10:53] | tanderson: | justinh: ah, not /etc/mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txt? |
| [16:11:02] | unixty: | was something like this mount -o bind or somesuch |
| [16:11:09] | justinh: | oh noes. not another buntu-ism :( |
| [16:11:32] | JEDIDIAH__: | I mainly keep stuff around to keep from recording it again (or supressing future recording) |
| [16:11:34] | tanderson: | justinh: err, this isn't ubuntu |
| [16:12:09] | justinh: | tanderson: I just make sure I have local files & it all works nicely |
| [16:12:22] | JEDIDIAH__: | /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt -> "Ubuntu-ism" |
| [16:12:24] | unixty: | double-digit terabyte raid6, wow, I was just looking at guide about it |
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| [16:12:31] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...pretty mundane sort of Unixism really |
| [16:12:41] | ** justinh has no /etc/mythtv ** | |
| [16:12:43] | tanderson: | justinh: that did it thanks |
| [16:12:58] | RyeBrye: | Anyone interested in making a mytharchive that makes DVD's that use AVC and playback on bluray players? HD or SD capable? |
| [16:13:02] | JEDIDIAH__: | I could see /etc/mythtv on AIX or Solaris |
| [16:13:03] | tanderson: | justinh: must have been a gentoo'ism. I'll talk to Doug later today |
| [16:13:08] | justinh: | JEDIDIAH__: depends what the packages do I suppose |
| [16:13:09] | unixty: | double digit TB is over $$1000 in harddrives |
| [16:13:31] | JEDIDIAH__: | My first two 500GB drives nearly cost that much. |
| [16:13:33] | justinh: | RyeBrye: not before somebody makes it easier to use altogether I hope |
| [16:13:46] | JEDIDIAH__: | The first 40 hour SD Tivos cost that much. |
| [16:14:14] | RyeBrye: | unixty: I'm almost certain someone here has that setup and has like 300 or some crazy number of ripped blurays |
| [16:14:27] | JEDIDIAH__: | RB: that BR app seems like something that shouldn't be myth specific. |
| [16:14:45] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...that crazy person might be iamlindoro |
| [16:15:06] | RyeBrye: | justinh: the ease-of-use meaning the UI or the fact that mytharchive has a nasty habit of just crapping its pants at random steps of the process if your recordings aren't all perfect and then forcing you to redo all of the work it just did? |
| [16:15:11] | ** JEDIDIAH__ only has a 60" screen and finds normal ripped DVDs to be generally good enough. ** | |
| [16:15:20] | GreyFoxx: | http://www.deviceguru.com/first-impressions-of-the-neuros-link/ |
| [16:15:32] | ** GreyFoxx starts the clock... when will asomsone ask if it runs myth on the -users list ** | |
| [16:15:53] | JEDIDIAH__: | Did anyone ever establish that the neuros like actually does proper h264 1080p rather than just "web stuff"? |
| [16:16:16] | RyeBrye: | JEDIDIAH__: Yeah, once someone makes an app to make AVC backups of video files onto normal DVD's it will just be a matter of time until someone makes a plugin or a script to link it into mythtv |
| [16:16:54] | RyeBrye: | I'm not interested in backing up files onto BR itself – since for my purposes I don't care about using avc and using normal DVD media |
| [16:16:55] | JEDIDIAH__: | I think getting AnyDVD out of the picture is an important first step though. |
| [16:16:56] | unixty: | RyeBrye: yes I am interested |
| [16:17:12] | RyeBrye: | well – let me clarify – I'm not capable of DOING the work :) |
| [16:17:40] | sulx: | does anyone know does anysee e30 card reader work with linux? |
| [16:18:19] | RyeBrye: | I might actually be capable... but I don't have a br player right now so my motivation is low (chicken and egg problem – if I had that app I'd definitely want a br player) |
| [16:18:44] | justinh: | not very often anything worth keeping for a few years even crops up |
| [16:19:01] | justinh: | and realistically, optical media doesn't last very long anyway |
| [16:19:20] | JEDIDIAH__: | I wonder how much the relative effectiveness of BR encryption blunts it's market penetration. I would expect that this dampens geek enthusiasm (and overflow) somewhat. |
| [16:19:25] | RyeBrye: | man. I just rolled the dice – 50% of the time when I make a DVD using mytharchive if I use anything that has chapter menus it completely dies on me because it guesses wrong on the number of chpters it should use.... |
| [16:19:48] | ** JEDIDIAH__ still has his pre-macrovision copy of StarWars on VHS and it still plays. ** | |
| [16:20:18] | RyeBrye: | JEDIDIAH__: yeah, the fact that you have to rip them before you watch them on linux is rather inconvenient |
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| [16:21:13] | unixty: | what's the appeal of the slingbox?? I have a friend keeps on raving about yet I don't see the point. |
| [16:21:34] | unixty: | is not a player, is not a NAS, is not .... |
| [16:21:53] | sid4windr: | is a box. |
| [16:22:27] | unixty: | a box with tons of inputs? |
| [16:22:37] | JEDIDIAH__: | it's a repeater. |
| [16:22:47] | AndyCap: | it lets you watch homegames when traveling |
| [16:22:51] | JEDIDIAH__: | take what you got and make it network transparent. |
| [16:22:54] | unixty: | I can have all the inputs i want on my mobo\ |
| [16:24:48] | gbee: | unixty: it's basically a hardware transcoder, records and re-encodes those recordings down to a lower res/bitrate so that they are small enough to then be streamed to your laptop – wherever you happen to be |
| [16:24:54] | gbee: | that's the theory anyway |
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| [16:25:15] | unixty: | can mythtv do this? |
| [16:25:45] | JEDIDIAH__: | ....the big problem I see with it is that it wouldn't allow multiple people to access the same "server" at the same time. |
| [16:26:00] | gbee: | yes, in a way, but it's experimental and nowhere near as polished/reliable |
| [16:26:24] | JEDIDIAH__: | mythtv is open, so once you've got content you can do whatever you want with it. |
| [16:26:50] | JEDIDIAH__: | mythtv doesn't even need to be how you access the content (like on the road) |
| [16:27:05] | unixty: | wow |
| [16:27:16] | justinh: | fwiw, if you need to watch TV from home on holiday, you should go somewhere else |
| [16:27:33] | gbee: | actually the slingbox doesn't really record, it doesn't have more storage than it needs for a rolling ringbuffer, it's supposed to control your own STB/PVR and just forwards the picture captured through the AV-Input |
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| [16:28:10] | gbee: | justinh: heh, I was pretty happy watching recordings from a hotel room |
| [16:28:30] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...beats hotel PVR rates. |
| [16:28:39] | justinh: | I've only used it in anger once or twice. every time just to show off |
| [16:29:14] | unixty: | LMAO |
| [16:29:23] | justinh: | not sure I want to risk rogue ffmpeg processes being left unattended on that backend right now |
| [16:29:27] | unixty: | justinh: lol |
| [16:29:38] | justinh: | hey, it happens |
| [16:29:48] | justinh: | the machine ran out of swap the other day. nasty stuff |
| [16:29:49] | gbee: | two years ago I was able to happily watch recordings streamed to the mythweb flash player via a free hotel wifi |
| [16:30:05] | justinh: | I think freenx child processes were to blame for that now |
| [16:30:10] | unixty: | justinh: no, LMAO@just to show off |
| [16:30:29] | justinh: | unixty: in other words, I don't have a real use for it |
| [16:30:43] | justinh: | if I go away, there's always something better to do than watch TV :) |
| [16:31:06] | unixty: | just like me!! I just like the technical aspect, I am setting this for somebody |
| [16:31:11] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...if there isn't then you probably don't have a net connection anyways (like on a plane) |
| [16:31:13] | unixty: | heck I don't even got a tv |
| [16:31:20] | justinh: | except when my wife & I both had nasty flu on our honeymoon |
| [16:31:20] | unixty: | well, the tuner lol |
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| [16:32:06] | gbee: | JEDIDIAH__: I see it as being most useful for business trips etc |
| [16:32:37] | JEDIDIAH__: | it's really only useful for time sensitive stuff. for most stuff it's sufficient that you have a fat hard drive that won't expire stuff. |
| [16:32:56] | gbee: | when you are stuck in a cheap hotel room for a couple of nights, with nothing worth watching on the Hotel tv (rarely is) |
| [16:33:12] | justinh: | yeah those solo trips can be a drag |
| [16:33:19] | justinh: | been on enough of those to know |
| [16:33:45] | JEDIDIAH__: | being in a non-cheap hotel room is worse. if anything good is on it will be ~ $20 a pop. |
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| [16:34:05] | unixty: | w00t |
| [16:34:12] | justinh: | gbee: helps if you can put bar costs on your expenses though ;) |
| [16:34:23] | JEDIDIAH__: | an archos is handy in that situation, or just a hard drive and a laptop. |
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| [16:34:45] | justinh: | JEDIDIAH__: not every traveller gets enough notice that they're gonna be travelling ;) |
| [16:35:09] | JEDIDIAH__: | that's why you plan ahead, just like you plan ahead for LVM disk failures... '-) |
| [16:35:28] | justinh: | I've had to rush home & pack before rushing out to fly somewhere for 7 weeks :( |
| [16:36:35] | justinh: | 7 weeks in the S. of France, so was able to hang around Cannes & the World Music Awards :D |
| [16:37:05] | justinh: | I could've stayed in & watched that lot on TV but it was better to be among it all :P |
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| [16:38:59] | justinh: | sooo... anyway... I'm still a prisoner of linux & mythtv then. Stuff happens on loonix & it messes itself up from time to time but on balance, nothing so bad it'd be worth going to Windows & the vastly inferior software PVRs for. Heh |
| [16:39:42] | justinh: | as for standalone hardware PVRs.. I think ubuntu would have to burn my house down before that happens again |
| [16:41:47] | laga: | gotta talk to the desktop team about that.. |
| [16:42:17] | justinh: | maybe I should have a search on the bug desk & see if there's anything related to running out of memory & swap |
| [16:42:36] | justinh: | might be altogether safer just to avoid using dodgy debs of freenx |
| [16:43:58] | unixty: | how to record the kewl and hawt channels? |
| [16:44:16] | unixty: | currently I pick up the free ones over cable. |
| [16:44:21] | unixty: | but they are uncool |
| [16:44:27] | wagnerrp: | unixty: firewire or analog |
| [16:44:35] | wagnerrp: | more likely analog |
| [16:44:46] | unixty: | and when they change to HD?? |
| [16:44:52] | unixty: | the end of mythtv? |
| [16:44:55] | justinh: | analogue HD capture device |
| [16:45:02] | unixty: | uh?? |
| [16:45:14] | justinh: | hauppauge HD-PVR |
| [16:45:23] | unixty: | oO |
| [16:45:29] | justinh: | component input to h.264 over USB |
| [16:45:40] | wagnerrp: | some people pick up the pay-for channels over QAM |
| [16:45:48] | unixty: | wont the studios transmit in HD to begin with? |
| [16:45:53] | wagnerrp: | other people pick up channels over firewire |
| [16:46:06] | wagnerrp: | both of which are digital, and possibly HD |
| [16:46:12] | justinh: | unixty: YMMV what you'd get in the clear |
| [16:46:24] | wagnerrp: | beyond that, the only option at this moment is the HDPVR |
| [16:46:58] | unixty: | anybody know if time warner cable offers boxes with FireWire? |
| [16:47:04] | wagnerrp: | they must |
| [16:47:10] | wagnerrp: | its a FCC mandate |
| [16:47:21] | unixty: | wow, so I should ask for one when I call? |
| [16:47:27] | unixty: | for a specific model? |
| [16:47:30] | wagnerrp: | if they do not offer such boxes, throw 'the man' at them |
| [16:48:33] | unixty: | interesting mandate. there was prolly a geek oversight during the legislation :) |
| [16:48:51] | justinh: | time for walkies |
| [16:48:52] | iamlindoro_: | no enough oversight |
| [16:49:03] | iamlindoro_: | since it only says that it has to be "functional" |
| [16:49:06] | wagnerrp: | they only have to provide functional firewire ports |
| [16:49:07] | iamlindoro_: | but doesn't define what that means |
| [16:49:17] | iamlindoro_: | so leaving it active only for channel changing counts |
| [16:49:38] | wagnerrp: | they could just encrypt everything using 5c, and you have no basis for (legal) complaint |
| [16:49:44] | ** unixty google time warner firewire boxen ** | |
| [16:51:03] | unixty: | mm.. bastards |
| [16:51:50] | unixty: | on avs a sticky post redirects to a site about cable hacking |
| [16:52:00] | unixty: | or modding whatever it is |
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| [16:52:34] | iamlindoro_: | We don't play that nonsense here |
| [16:53:00] | iamlindoro_: | You are welcome to discuss legitimate methods of capturing material, but that kind of talk will get a big fat ban |
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| [16:55:36] | unixty: | hey I am n00b |
| [16:55:55] | unixty: | today I'll be setting my first eve TB drive lol |
| [16:58:11] | unixty: | iamlindoro_: could you elaborate on 'legitimate methods of capturing material'? |
| [16:58:16] | unixty: | if you mind |
| [16:58:39] | iamlindoro_: | Capturing with a capture card, or via firewire. Those are the legit, legal ways of capturing material. |
| [17:01:23] | gbee: | from encrypted cable anyway |
| [17:02:06] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: Well, I figure "with a capture card" covers the other options too |
| [17:02:30] | iamlindoro_: | presuming you take capture to include tuner cards, that is |
| [17:03:04] | unixty: | iamlindoro_: I have a pinnacle i800, which one do you reccomend for a second capture card? |
| [17:03:31] | iamlindoro_: | The pinnacle would be fine for capturing directly from the wall, but I would not recommend using it to capture from your cable box |
| [17:04:08] | iamlindoro_: | It's a fine digital capture card, but you can only capture analog out from the cable box and that card's analog capture is what we call a "framegrabber," which is a horrible way of capturing analog |
| [17:04:36] | iamlindoro_: | That card should get you whatever is unencrypted directly from the wall, including (usually, for most people) some locals in HD |
| [17:04:48] | unixty: | what's a non-framegrabber good tuner? |
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| [17:05:18] | wagnerrp: | if you need (standard definition) analog capture, get an IVTV card |
| [17:05:27] | wagnerrp: | check the list at ivtvdriver.org |
| [17:05:47] | iamlindoro_: | if you want to capture from the Set Top Box, then your options are trying firewire, or if you only care about Standard Def, the PVR-150/500 are good cards, and if you want HD from the box but firewire is not working, then there is the Hauppauge HD-PVR, which is not currently supported in released myth, but will be in the next revision |
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| [17:07:03] | Andrew_Barber: | i used mythtv with dish network for about a year, but i just moved and now am forced to use comcast...other than schedules direct, what else do i have to change? |
| [17:07:51] | unixty: | iamlindoro_: thanks a lot!! that was pretty concise :) |
| [17:08:01] | iamlindoro_: | unixty: you are welcome :) |
| [17:08:42] | GreyFoxx: | Nice! We've got a customer who gets internet from us wirelessly. And they pay for 2 redundant wireless units in seperate partsof the building feed from seperate towers...... and they had a company in doing renovations which cut BOTH cables to the wireless units taking them offline :) |
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| [17:09:27] | unixty: | I smell big fat man's lawsuite!!! |
| [17:09:49] | GreyFoxx: | And of course they are doing VOIP over those links so it took out their phones |
| [17:10:09] | wagnerrp: | but of course |
| [17:10:12] | meshe: | wow |
| [17:10:58] | meshe: | sounds like what happened at our old office, we had fiber with redundant rings around the city, no less than 6 times construction crews cut both rings in the same day |
| [17:12:10] | Andrew_Barber: | did my question suck? |
| [17:12:37] | wagnerrp: | the answer was 'nothing', so as such, there were no responses |
| [17:13:01] | Andrew_Barber: | i thought i would have to change one of the lirc scripts |
| [17:13:08] | Andrew_Barber: | but i wasn't sure which |
| [17:13:11] | unixty: | mm.. I will still use LVM even if i try one single partition. :) |
| [17:13:18] | unixty: | the ease of use is appealing |
| [17:13:29] | gbee: | GreyFoxx: microwave? |
| [17:13:37] | wagnerrp: | only if you have to switch to using a different STB |
| [17:13:52] | GreyFoxx: | Motorola Canopy, no idea what the specific underlying technology is |
| [17:14:02] | GreyFoxx: | It's not 802.11bgn stuff :) |
| [17:14:28] | GreyFoxx: | We've got a multicity wide network of towers and repeaters |
| [17:14:53] | GreyFoxx: | along with multiple fibre rings |
| [17:15:17] | GreyFoxx: | and of course redundant fibre to every tower |
| [17:15:30] | laga: | ah, being a network engineer must be nice |
| [17:16:19] | unixty: | GreyFoxx: is this NYC by any chance?? :) |
| [17:16:36] | GreyFoxx: | No :) |
| [17:16:42] | GreyFoxx: | Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada |
| [17:17:15] | meshe: | it's nice until stuff like that happens :) |
| [17:17:29] | unixty: | :( |
| [17:17:44] | unixty: | where can I find out how many tower got my city? |
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| [17:17:54] | laga: | meshe: that's why i'm not gonna be one ;) |
| [17:18:01] | Andrew_Barber: | wagnerrp: yes, i'll be using comcast's STB |
| [17:18:08] | Andrew_Barber: | instead of dish's |
| [17:18:41] | Andrew_Barber: | are their guides for specific cable providers? |
| [17:18:47] | Andrew_Barber: | there |
| [17:19:04] | wagnerrp: | well then youll either have to update your lirc signals (to the specific STB, not the provider) or start using firewire to change channels |
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| [17:22:42] | meshe: | laga: it can be high stress, but some of us thrive on it, I'm primarily in charge of software systems but i came from being a network engineer so i still straddle both tasks, when stuff breaks I thrive at troubleshooting it and fixing |
| [17:24:16] | Andrew_Barber: | wagnerrp: do you know of any guides that provide the codes for specific STB's? |
| [17:26:22] | laga: | meshe: adrenaline is good :) |
| [17:27:03] | meshe: | aye, and i'm a problem solver by nature, if its broken i *need* to fix it |
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| [17:29:51] | wagnerrp: | Andrew_Barber: no, ive never used an ir blaster |
| [17:30:03] | Andrew_Barber: | ah, fair enough |
| [17:30:59] | Andrew_Barber: | imho, the hardest thing about myth to set up |
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| [17:34:51] | gbee: | Andrew_Barber: should be some on the lirc website |
| [17:35:11] | Andrew_Barber: | gbee: thanks, i'll check it out...what's the url? |
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| [17:35:28] | gbee: | you'll have to google, don't have it memorised |
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| [17:35:42] | gbee: | iamlindoro: http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/filmstrip_browser_alt.png |
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| [17:36:13] | wagnerrp: | fancy |
| [17:37:00] | gbee: | not quite sure whether that's a browser, a manager or a gallery – can't see where it fits with the other version other than I like both, might even be the details view |
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| [17:40:48] | sphery: | Andrew_Barber: if you're using any kind of sane browser, just typing lirc into the location bar would get you there... If using IE and if it's not sane, http://lirc.org/ |
| [17:41:09] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: So when will the Mythvideo programinfo patch be done, then? ;) |
| [17:41:20] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: Looks great :) |
| [17:41:41] | Andrew_Barber: | comcast is at my apartment right now, and the STB they are giving me doesn't have S-video...should i upgrade to one that does? |
| [17:42:12] | Andrew_Barber: | or is RCA sufficient? |
| [17:42:16] | meshe: | s-video is an upgrade on a new STB? |
| [17:42:27] | Andrew_Barber: | sad, isnt it? |
| [17:42:34] | meshe: | yeah |
| [17:42:38] | Andrew_Barber: | this is there basic box with no DVR |
| [17:42:41] | iamlindoro_: | Sounds like you're getting a DCT700, the lowest end SD box |
| [17:42:42] | Andrew_Barber: | their |
| [17:42:50] | Andrew_Barber: | probably |
| [17:42:59] | iamlindoro_: | looks like a teensy tiny little thing |
| [17:43:02] | Andrew_Barber: | should i accept that or go with a better one? |
| [17:43:06] | iamlindoro_: | kinda like a little modem almost |
| [17:43:07] | Andrew_Barber: | it's not THAT small |
| [17:43:11] | Andrew_Barber: | oh, no way |
| [17:43:14] | Andrew_Barber: | it's bigger |
| [17:43:22] | wagnerrp: | Andrew_Barber: preferrably you would get one with firewire, comonent, and svideo |
| [17:43:59] | Andrew_Barber: | wagnerrp: i think that's what he will be bringing in now |
| [17:44:05] | iamlindoro_: | If you plan to capture HD, you'll need component and firewire-- if you plan only on SD then you should ask for a box with S-video if possible |
| [17:44:16] | iamlindoro_: | s/and/and\/or/ |
| [17:44:17] | meshe: | It is 5–1/2 inches wide 6–1/2 inches long and under 2 inches high |
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| [17:45:15] | Andrew_Barber: | motorola dch3200 |
| [17:45:19] | Andrew_Barber: | is what he just brought in |
| [17:45:30] | Andrew_Barber: | has component, firewire, etc. |
| [17:45:52] | iamlindoro_: | A DCH-3200 is fine nice box |
| [17:46:20] | iamlindoro_: | not that the box has any bearing on which ports will function, but it's a good box |
| [17:47:49] | Andrew_Barber: | haha |
| [17:47:57] | Andrew_Barber: | will some be turned off? |
| [17:48:06] | wagnerrp: | very possibly |
| [17:48:18] | Andrew_Barber: | fun |
| [17:48:20] | wagnerrp: | analog outputs usually remain active |
| [17:48:35] | wagnerrp: | but firewire is frequently disabled |
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| [18:11:15] | dashs: | best audio card for s/pdif out (TOS?)? |
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| [18:17:10] | iamlindoro_: | It's a digital signal, there is no "best" |
| [18:17:24] | iamlindoro_: | it's going to sound identical on any working card |
| [18:17:33] | Speedy2: | Just curious, anyone here use a PCI or USB ATSC adapter? Trying to figure out which is most compatible with Linux/MythTV |
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| [18:20:54] | Speedy2: | Andrew_Barber: You were asking about scrapers: http://planetreplay.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=14314 |
| [18:21:03] | Speedy2: | Andrew_Barber: Run that under WINE and you can use it with Myth |
| [18:21:30] | Andrew_Barber: | i wasn't asking about scrapers |
| [18:21:33] | Andrew_Barber: | i use SD |
| [18:21:40] | Andrew_Barber: | thanks, though |
| [18:21:52] | Andrew_Barber: | i just need to make myth work with my new comcast box |
| [18:21:58] | Andrew_Barber: | that's my project today |
| [18:22:05] | Speedy2: | DCH3200? |
| [18:22:17] | Andrew_Barber: | yep |
| [18:24:33] | Andrew_Barber: | have one? |
| [18:24:38] | Speedy2: | I've used them. |
| [18:25:29] | Andrew_Barber: | i don't see it listed in LIRC |
| [18:25:46] | Speedy2: | The remote? |
| [18:25:56] | Speedy2: | It understands GI protocol |
| [18:26:02] | Speedy2: | You can use a DRC400 or DRC800 with it |
| [18:26:32] | Andrew_Barber: | oh, great |
| [18:26:34] | Andrew_Barber: | thanks |
| [18:26:54] | Speedy2: | You want to IR blast it? |
| [18:27:10] | Andrew_Barber: | well |
| [18:27:17] | Andrew_Barber: | i HAVE an IR blaster |
| [18:27:26] | Andrew_Barber: | so it's not really a choice |
| [18:27:42] | Andrew_Barber: | is firewire way better? |
| [18:27:58] | Speedy2: | For what? |
| [18:28:11] | Andrew_Barber: | changing channels |
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| [18:28:30] | Speedy2: | I never tried that. |
| [18:28:31] | Andrew_Barber: | i thought that was the alternative |
| [18:28:36] | Andrew_Barber: | is there another? |
| [18:28:40] | iamlindoro_: | Yes, firewire is better for changing channels |
| [18:28:51] | iamlindoro_: | If it's possible with your box, it's the way to go |
| [18:29:44] | Andrew_Barber: | i just connect a firewire cable from the comp to the STB? |
| [18:30:34] | iamlindoro_: | Yes, and then compile the 6200ch channel changer and possibly edit in your model id and manufacturer ID into the code (if necessary), then set it as your channel changing script |
| [18:31:28] | Andrew_Barber: | omg, this IS so much better than IR |
| [18:31:53] | Andrew_Barber: | is there a quick way to find out if the firewire port is disabled on the STB? |
| [18:32:13] | iamlindoro_: | you should start by reading and following the firewire page on the wiki |
| [18:32:23] | Andrew_Barber: | i am going through it now |
| [18:32:25] | Andrew_Barber: | thanks |
| [18:32:36] | iamlindoro_: | when you get to the plugreport step if you see the boxes GUID then the port is at least "functional" |
| [18:32:50] | iamlindoro_: | but you won't know if capture is possible until you try |
| [18:34:53] | Andrew_Barber: | Speedy2: in the lirc file, can i leave the remote name as "drc800"? |
| [18:37:16] | iamlindoro_: | Andrew_Barber: If you're going to change via firewire you don't need LIRC at all (well, at least, not for blasting) |
| [18:37:41] | Andrew_Barber: | i was gonna set up IR and then play with the firewire after |
| [18:38:05] | iamlindoro_: | That's counter-intuitive-- if firewire works you can do it in 1/10th the time |
| [18:38:14] | Andrew_Barber: | oh, okay |
| [18:38:18] | iamlindoro_: | 1) install the firewire lib packages |
| [18:38:19] | Andrew_Barber: | i just wasn't sure |
| [18:38:20] | iamlindoro_: | 2) run plugreport |
| [18:38:23] | Andrew_Barber: | since i've never used it |
| [18:38:24] | iamlindoro_: | 3) get the GUID |
| [18:38:39] | iamlindoro_: | 4) compile the 6200ch.c file in contrib (instructions in the README) |
| [18:39:02] | iamlindoro_: | 5) run ./6200ch -g $GUID_YOU_JUST_GOT 123 |
| [18:39:07] | iamlindoro_: | where 123 is a channel number |
| [18:39:15] | iamlindoro_: | if it works, you're done |
| [18:39:25] | iamlindoro_: | if it doesnt: |
| [18:39:38] | iamlindoro_: | 6) ./6200ch -g $GUID_YOU_JUST_GOT -v -v 123 |
| [18:39:49] | iamlindoro_: | it will list the model and manufacture hex codes |
| [18:40:08] | iamlindoro_: | edit those into the 6200.c and .h under the same box model |
| [18:40:46] | iamlindoro_: | then recompile and step 5 will work |
| [18:41:12] | Andrew_Barber: | about step 1, is there a good chance they are already compiled? |
| [18:41:31] | iamlindoro_: | doubtful |
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| [18:42:04] | iamlindoro_: | oh, you mean the libs? |
| [18:42:11] | iamlindoro_: | Your distro likely has packages for them |
| [18:42:20] | Andrew_Barber: | k |
| [18:42:25] | iamlindoro_: | I am 99% certain this is all covered in the wiki |
| [18:42:29] | iamlindoro_: | are you sure you're reading it? |
| [18:42:56] | iamlindoro_: | under "dependencies" |
| [18:43:54] | iamlindoro_: | And most of what I just told you is under http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/FireWire#Changing_ . . . via_Firewire |
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| [18:44:09] | iamlindoro_: | Although where they san to use the -n nodenumber, don't do that, use GUID |
| [18:44:17] | iamlindoro_: | since node numbers change, and GUIDs don't |
| [18:44:25] | iamlindoro_: | so -g GUID |
| [18:45:38] | Andrew_Barber: | okay |
| [18:45:45] | Andrew_Barber: | i gotta go pick up a firewire cable |
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| [19:04:20] | keith4: | iamlindoro_: if only the wiki was some sort of.... wiki... that you could fix, if there's something that's wrong |
| [19:04:27] | keith4: | that'd be great, wouldn't it? :-P |
| [19:04:50] | iamlindoro_: | keith4: Care to compare Myth wiki contributions with me and see who has made more? |
| [19:05:04] | keith4: | definitely not |
| [19:05:09] | iamlindoro_: | ok then |
| [19:05:27] | keith4: | didn't you see the sticky-out-tongue face? i'm just kiddin' |
| [19:05:33] | iamlindoro_: | k ;) |
| [19:05:51] | keith4: | (... i'm not sure i have more than 1 wiki contribution) |
| [19:08:59] | iamlindoro_: | Maybe I'm particularly sensitive about it since I wrote the MythUI theming guide and spent a few dozen hours on it this week ;) |
| [19:11:00] | high-rez: | Grr. As far as I can tell my slave backend is working. It'll commercial flag stuff recorded by the master. BUT: If I set the master to record somethign on its tuner, then I setup a conflicting recording, the conflicting recording won't be sent to the slave. |
| [19:11:56] | ** high-rez is confused. ** | |
| [19:11:59] | ** EvilGuru has just finished pricing up his new myth box...£638 ** | |
| [19:13:24] | EvilGuru: | With any luck a 2.4 Core 2 and 9600GT should be able to take on BBC HD |
| [19:13:47] | high-rez: | BBC HD is h264 isnt it? |
| [19:13:57] | EvilGuru: | tindeed |
| [19:14:02] | high-rez: | You probably won't need a CPU that good. |
| [19:14:35] | EvilGuru: | Mplayer tend to recommend 2.6 Core 2 for HD |
| [19:14:36] | high-rez: | My h264 plays with like 6% CPU utilization |
| [19:14:53] | high-rez: | Oh – you're not going the vdpau route ? |
| [19:15:07] | iamlindoro_: | BBC HD is easily the toughest to play broadcast h.264 on the planet-- if he intends to do it in CPU he'll need that processor |
| [19:15:32] | high-rez: | Yeah, I guess I just assumed he was getting such a decent GPU cause he intended to offload it. |
| [19:15:32] | EvilGuru: | Be good if I could, but I am unsure if Mythbuntu includes support for it (9.04 will be my target) |
| [19:15:35] | iamlindoro_: | and since VDPAU is *awful* with corruption in streams as is common in satellite, software decode is (IMO) the way to go for now |
| [19:15:58] | EvilGuru: | Don't get me wrong, VDPAU is neat, but I don't want to rely on it |
| [19:17:44] | high-rez: | It has been pretty ok for me so far. I'll agree that software deals with corrupted streams better, although that seems to be much improved in 180.35 (if you can live without sigint :) |
| [19:17:49] | EvilGuru: | The current myth box doesn't do the rather nice 46" Bravia justice (as it uses VGA so you get 13xx * xxxx as the max res, which is upscaled to something) |
| [19:18:24] | Dagmar: | Are you sure the TV isn't actually 1366x768? |
| [19:18:33] | EvilGuru: | TV is 1080p |
| [19:18:43] | Dagmar: | EDID should be reporting something higher resolution than that, then |
| [19:18:53] | Dagmar: | beat on it with ddcxinfo or something |
| [19:18:56] | high-rez: | Soem displays won't do VGA -> 720P |
| [19:19:09] | Dagmar: | Sounds like a design flaw to me |
| [19:19:24] | EvilGuru: | And for some reason Sony decided to omit DVI and I had no DVI => HDMI adaptors on me last time I went home |
| [19:20:40] | EvilGuru: | I suspect that (scaling by the TV) is the reason myth looks quite a bit worse than TV (when using freeview at least) |
| [19:21:26] | Dagmar: | I would definitely keep beating on the thing until it lets you use the display in it's native resolution |
| [19:21:39] | EvilGuru: | Although it does include that quirkly 100Hz voodoo, so it might be that |
| [19:21:49] | Dagmar: | THere's always some latency induced when they rescale, and I imagine that's no fun either |
| [19:21:55] | SlicerDicer: | http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z304/Peteo . . . iendzone.png |
| [19:21:58] | SlicerDicer: | damn it |
| [19:22:01] | SlicerDicer: | wrong channel :/ |
| [19:22:11] | SlicerDicer: | ohh well feel free to crack up |
| [19:22:33] | EvilGuru: | Dagmar: Can't be any worse than my Dell 3008WFP, that gives me 30ms easy when it scales |
| [19:24:05] | EvilGuru: | Although on the plus side I did manage to find a reasonable motherboard with 3xPCI on it, which means I can keep my tuners |
| [19:24:11] | Dagmar: | Yes it can. That's actually pretty low latency compared to what some do |
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| [19:28:47] | Tanthrix: | EvilGuru: Have you tried locating a custom modeline for your TV? I couldn't get my new Bravia to do 1080p via VGA the other day until I found one. |
| [19:28:58] | EvilGuru: | Tanthrix: I may have to toy with that |
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| [19:29:08] | Tanthrix: | EvilGuru: What model TV? |
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| [19:31:01] | EvilGuru: | KDL-46W5500 |
| [19:31:55] | EvilGuru: | *4500 sorry, typo |
| [19:32:06] | Tanthrix: | Not seeing that, but give mine a try. ModeLine "1920x1080" 148.50 1920 2008 2052 2200 1080 1084 1089 1125 +hsync +vsync |
| [19:32:14] | Tanthrix: | Sick that in your monitor section in your xorg.conf |
| [19:32:45] | Claus_: | I have a kinda wierd issue with myth-dvd. I just reinstalled my ubuntu to a 8.10 with the mythtv packages (not mythbuntu) but now I can not play dvd's with menus in them. Mythtv just exits. I should have everything installed since ogle can play the dvd just fine. Anyone know where to look? |
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| [19:32:47] | Tanthrix: | By the way, does anyone know if those 120hz sets can actually run at 120hz, or is it some kind of trickery? |
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| [19:33:37] | EvilGuru: | 120Hz == 60 full refreshes per second IIRC |
| [19:33:44] | jarle: | Claus_: start the frontend from a console and watch the output... |
| [19:34:00] | EvilGuru: | At least in TV lingo |
| [19:34:05] | Claus_: | jarle thanks it's so obvious some times ;o) |
| [19:34:19] | Tanthrix: | EvilGuru: 60 full refreshes = 60hz, as I understand it. |
| [19:34:32] | jarle: | Claus_: it will then tell you what is not working... |
| [19:34:39] | EvilGuru: | It should be, although TV lingo is the art of deception |
| [19:34:43] | Tanthrix: | hehe |
| [19:34:56] | Tanthrix: | EvilGuru: I suspect that it uses trickery, and won't actually take a 120hz signal. |
| [19:35:25] | EvilGuru: | So 100Hz set displays 50 full frames a second (which for PAL stuff works by frame interpolation, 1:2) |
| [19:36:18] | Tanthrix: | I think you're getting things a bit confused with interlacing, which does involve 2 fields turning into 1 frame. |
| [19:37:10] | EvilGuru: | Tanthrix: TVs with these higher refresh rates (each manufacturer has its own term) basically work by interpolation |
| [19:37:33] | EvilGuru: | So you end up with twice as many full frames as you started with (as it interpolates between two frames to give a 'smoother' image) |
| [19:38:59] | Tanthrix: | I'm not sure I understand how that could look good or work in reality, given that you can't create something from nothing. |
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| [19:39:37] | EvilGuru: | I am quite sceptical about it, but for some things (sports) there is a slight difference |
| [19:40:08] | Tanthrix: | As I understand it, the whole point of 120hz sets was to show film without judder, since 24 fps cannot go into 60 evenly. I can't imagine how anything but increasing the refresh rate of the screen could ever change that. |
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| [19:40:40] | EvilGuru: | Tanthrix: I believe HDMI 1.3 allows for a 24p mode, where the TV does refresh at that, eliminating the problem |
| [19:40:53] | EvilGuru: | At least for the higher end TVs which support it |
| [19:40:55] | Tanthrix: | There's no way a TV (or anything for that matter) is capable of creating frames out of thin air that actually correspond to previous frames already showed, and new frames not yet seen, to avoid the judder. |
| [19:41:20] | Tanthrix: | EvilGuru: Well, the problem is refreshing at 24fps causes extreme flicker. Not even movie theaters run at 24fps. |
| [19:42:14] | EvilGuru: | I was under the impression that movie theatres did run at 24, move the reel in front of the projector, wait a small period of time, move again |
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| [19:42:36] | EvilGuru: | so long as the transition is quick, there should be no issue |
| [19:43:06] | EvilGuru: | flicker is more of a thing associated with CRTs (where the phosphors need to be continually re-illuminated) |
| [19:43:49] | Tanthrix: | I phrased that poorly – they run at an equivilant of 48fps, but you're right that they don't have more frames. |
| [19:44:28] | Claus_: | jarle for some reason it seems to be working now. but still cant skip trailers. When I try that I get menu not available. Maybe that is why I thought it wasnt working.. |
| [19:44:34] | Tanthrix: | Or maybe I'm full of shit, and that is for only some special film standards. |
| [19:45:56] | Tanthrix: | EvilGuru: There we go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movie_projector#Shutter <-- As you said. And as I said, the shutter runs at 48hz or hgher. |
| [19:46:51] | Tanthrix: | EvilGuru: So maybe these 120hz TV sets just take the progressive 60hz signal, extract the actual original frames, then playback at 48? |
| [19:47:19] | Tanthrix: | EvilGuru: But that still doesn't seem possible unless noticable lag is introduced, otherwise things wouldn't quite line up properly. |
| [19:47:31] | Tanthrix: | I guess the bottom line is that it's all a load of crap, and we just need to wait for native 120hz sets. ;-) |
| [19:47:45] | EvilGuru: | I think the panels can still only do 60Hz |
| [19:48:11] | Tanthrix: | That being the case, I don't understand how judder could ever be eliminated. |
| [19:48:29] | EvilGuru: | and the 120Hz comes from: TV is classically 60Hz interlaced, they increase the frame rate by 2, hence 120Hz interlaced or 60Hz progressive |
| [19:48:56] | EvilGuru: | Just rather than displaying the same progressive frame twice they do some interpolation trickery, but I may be full of crap |
| [19:49:39] | Tanthrix: | I'll see if I can read up on it a bit more later. |
| [19:49:56] | Tanthrix: | Off to work for now – good luck getting your bravia setup. Just buy a damned $8 DVI>HDMI cable and be done with it. ;) |
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| [20:00:05] | nemiroal: | hello.. I would like to start to play with pre 0.22 as a frontend. I currently am run 0.21 backends. Any know if pre 0.22 frontends compatible with 0.21 backends? |
| [20:00:29] | iamlindoro_: | they are not. |
| [20:00:47] | iamlindoro_: | As ever, all your systems need to be identical DB and protocol revisions |
| [20:01:05] | nemiroal: | iamlindoro: thx.. bummer. |
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| [20:12:52] | Heliwr: | hi all – I would like informed opinions on how to set my storage groups up. I made the mistake when I first set my system up of using a single ext3 partition including my recordings folder for two tuners, and I still have too many recordings in that folder to immediately resize and set up a separate xfs partition. I just added a second hdd and formatted it as xfs. |
| [20:13:16] | justinh: | eew mythbox for xbmc. blech |
| [20:13:25] | Heliwr: | Am I better off using only the xfs driver for now, or should I still use the original ext3 as well? |
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| [20:14:22] | justinh: | might be better in the long run to use the same fs on both |
| [20:14:37] | justinh: | xfs & ext3 have benefits of their own |
| [20:15:09] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: I'm also a little hesitant to accept that a set of python scripts can be called a "frontend" but perhaps I'm being silly |
| [20:15:24] | justinh: | the only real disadvantage to ext3 is how long deleting big files can take, but you can work around that with the 'delete files slowly' setting in mythtv |
| [20:15:39] | Heliwr: | I will keep the original ext3 as is, I'm not worried about space – just wondering if the benefit of having a separate hdd for each tuner will outweigh one of the folders being ext3 |
| [20:16:14] | justinh: | Heliwr: you'd be advised to use slow file deletion. I didn't, and it locked up my machine when I deleted 300GB or so in one shot |
| [20:16:31] | justinh: | (on ext3) – so now I use xfs for all my meeja |
| [20:17:28] | Heliwr: | maybe I should just migrate all the recordings to the new xfs drive, resize the ext3 partition to what the OS needs, and set up a new xfs partition on that drive? |
| [20:17:28] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: for a windows machine it's likely the best way.. if xbmc will even run ;) |
| [20:17:36] | iamlindoro_: | phooey |
| [20:18:04] | justinh: | hey I wouldn't risk mythtv player again. at least not while I'm between db backups |
| [20:18:24] | nemiroal: | Heliwr: have you considered adding a temporary storage (perhaps via usb) and using rsync to move the recordings, change the destination of the new recordings via symbolic link, then reformat to xfs and reversing the process? |
| [20:18:42] | justinh: | rsync to *copy* the recordings |
| [20:19:00] | justinh: | don't _move_ anything until you're sure things are ok... that is unless you don't mind losing stuff |
| [20:19:31] | justinh: | heck I don't even install a new system on the same HDD. always budget for a spare juuuuust in case |
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| [20:19:33] | nemiroal: | justin: yeah.. obvious rsync will do a copy |
| [20:19:46] | Heliwr: | My wife would not be happy if I lost stuff, so I won't delete anything yet :P |
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| [20:20:14] | gbee: | iamlindoro: artwork is crude because I just did it on a whim, but you get three guesses how it was done – http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/mythui_zoom.png |
| [20:20:33] | Heliwr: | Thanks for your help |
| [20:20:38] | gbee: | and yes, I confess there was a little cheating involved |
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| [20:20:52] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: Same imagetype with different dimensions and a mask |
| [20:21:05] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: you know all that fricking hassle I had with my backend box yesterday & the day before? bloody freenx & needed to install 250 updates. behaving itself again. Oh and there are no alternatives to mythtv. Amen |
| [20:21:14] | gbee: | heh, yeah |
| [20:21:31] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: Heh, who says I don't know what I'm doing? ;) |
| [20:21:39] | gbee: | it's actually a seperate imagetype, since there can't be two of the same name, that was the cheat |
| [20:21:45] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: Heh, good to know I'm not missing anything |
| [20:21:55] | iamlindoro_: | ah, cloned coverimage? |
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| [20:22:11] | justinh: | seriously.. is there any point to me ever picking up concept again? It's dwarfed now |
| [20:22:44] | justinh: | I'd rather try & help out with the stuff other people are doing |
| [20:22:54] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: You don't have to pick up the old one, you could always just goof around with something new |
| [20:23:14] | gbee: | make a neat example of how masks can be used inventively |
| [20:24:07] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: but why, when the stuff you & gbee are doing are better than anything I could do? ;) |
| [20:24:13] | iamlindoro_: | nonsense |
| [20:24:17] | iamlindoro_: | I'm a hack |
| [20:24:25] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: actually you were well ahead of me, I didn't even think of using coverimage below the list ... no cheating involved that way |
| [20:24:49] | justinh: | gbee: very nifty effect btw :) |
| [20:24:51] | justinh: | _very_ |
| [20:25:12] | gbee: | justinh: it's just different, it's not better, we've all seen what you are capable of when you want to |
| [20:25:37] | iamlindoro_: | All this proves the point about MythUI allowing for totally divergent styles |
| [20:25:54] | justinh: | my stuff is stuck in 0.21 land pretty much |
| [20:26:02] | justinh: | I don't have the time I used to have |
| [20:26:06] | gbee: | want the honest truth? You are just stuck in a rut/mindset having done so many themes with the old UI |
| [20:26:21] | justinh: | yep. I knows it :) |
| [20:26:28] | justinh: | we need new blood |
| [20:27:04] | justinh: | think I'm a bit downtrodden because of my code failure too |
| [20:27:05] | gbee: | we do, but we also need the old hands you just need some inspiration |
| [20:27:12] | nemiroal: | Im looking to try |
| [20:27:12] | gbee: | and it will come |
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| [20:28:26] | justinh: | that and my fscking backend shennanigans. Next OS I use (which might be next week for all I know) won't be ubuntu. I need something that isn't going to eat itself |
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| [20:29:28] | justinh: | oh wait. I had a eureka moment while I was out today. somewhere in the house is a box sitting doing nothing & it uses the same kind of memory as the current backend. current BE could use MOAR ram.. should keep it happy for a bit |
| [20:29:35] | iamlindoro_: | Anduin: So, here's a erm... well, guess it's sort of a bi-weekly probing-- And keeping in mind that you are a handsome, intelligent, successful human being who is desired by the gender of his choice-- Any look-at-iamlindoros-patches-to-shut-him-the-eff-up time coming soon? |
| [20:29:35] | nemiroal: | by OS, you mean distro? Or are you switching to a different OS completely? |
| [20:29:46] | justinh: | distro |
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| [20:30:40] | DGMurdockIII: | is there any way to get blu ray to work with mythtv? |
| [20:30:47] | justinh: | my old ubuntu install was getting long in the tooth, its rootfs was a bit rotten so I updated it with a new set of disks. Upgraded while I was on too – knowing I'll be needing > qt4.3 for mythtv 0.22 |
| [20:31:03] | justinh: | not the best decision I ever made, in hindsight |
| [20:31:15] | iamlindoro_: | You can rip the films in windows and copy the core movie files into mythvideo, which can play them to varying extents. That's about all you can get in linux ATM |
| [20:31:28] | iamlindoro_: | But straight-off-the-disk, no. |
| [20:31:43] | EvilGuru: | Be a few years, if ever, before that is possible |
| [20:32:00] | justinh: | maybe not a few years but it's gonna be a while I think |
| [20:32:07] | EvilGuru: | Although those at Doom9 did have some luck with an open BD+ VM, although I doubt anyone will ever pick up the code |
| [20:32:13] | justinh: | where is the next DVDJon ? |
| [20:32:34] | justinh: | probably hiding under the stairs, afraid of those nasty lawyers |
| [20:32:51] | iamlindoro_: | The BD+ stuff will absolutely be picked up |
| [20:33:03] | iamlindoro_: | it's already being wrapped into a library with some success |
| [20:33:06] | iamlindoro_: | libbluray |
| [20:33:11] | EvilGuru: | I poked around the code (lib) and the license is unclear |
| [20:33:24] | EvilGuru: | actually, there is no license, as no one wants copyright of the darn thing |
| [20:34:12] | iamlindoro_: | Just lib libdvdcss, it would never be *included* in something like myth |
| [20:34:32] | iamlindoro_: | but it'd be a matter of making myth interface with it should it happen to be there |
| [20:34:46] | EvilGuru: | Then it is getting distos to package it |
| [20:34:58] | nemiroal: | I am new to the whole 3D UI trend. I am a deeply embedded guy. Would learning Clutter help my interest in helping out with MythUI work? I noticed someone was trying to do his own UI in Clutter for Myth (called Gloss I recall). Any comments? |
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| [20:35:09] | justinh: | nemiroal: nope |
| [20:35:11] | iamlindoro_: | Then we're talking about the difference between usability and broad adoption |
| [20:35:24] | EvilGuru: | dvdcss has quite good adoption |
| [20:35:34] | iamlindoro_: | I couldn't care less whether it gets packaged-- if Myth could user it and I could compile it, it's fine with me |
| [20:35:53] | justinh: | gloss was effectively a new frontend entirely. and merely one guy working on it. Last we heard was oooo how long ago? |
| [20:36:05] | EvilGuru: | Qt FTW |
| [20:36:12] | justinh: | besides, when clutter stops being flavour of the month... oh wait. It already has |
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| [20:38:42] | nemiroal: | justinh: why do say clutter is on the way out? I am not looking for a debate. Just honestly curious why you are of this opinion. thanks |
| [20:38:59] | justinh: | mythui has nothing to do with clutter |
| [20:40:09] | nemiroal: | justin: yeah.. I know that. So you were not really commenting on clutter being good or bad.. just that it is not being considered for future Myth UI's. right? |
| [20:40:20] | justinh: | if you want to help out with mythui, I'm sure there are still some parts of myth which still need to be ported to it |
| [20:40:48] | justinh: | clutter is (IMHO) the subject of a lot of hype.. or rather _was_ |
| [20:41:44] | justinh: | but, if you look in mythui code, you'll see that a lot of what clutter makes possible (and more besides) is acheivable once stuff is written to take advantage of it |
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| [20:42:49] | nemiroal: | justin: understood. I was just trying to kill two birds with one stone. My interest is clutter is coming from other embedded projects. Trying to figure out why it was not being used for MythUI. Thanks for your input. |
| [20:43:23] | justinh: | it wasn't used .. maybe because it came around after a fair bit of mythui structure had been put in place |
| [20:43:36] | justinh: | or maybe because it'd add more dependencies.. |
| [20:44:26] | justinh: | so anyway.. enough rambling. learning clutter won't help you ;) |
| [20:45:50] | DGMurdockIII: | https://trac.assembla.com/bdplus/ |
| [20:45:55] | justinh: | knowing c++ & qt will help though. Lots :) |
| [20:46:16] | EvilGuru: | How is 0.22 coming along? (I know it's ready when it's ready, but is it looking like 2009 or 2010) |
| [20:46:23] | justinh: | 2050 |
| [20:46:32] | justinh: | was 2049 but you asked so it got bumped |
| [20:46:59] | EvilGuru: | In time for DVB-T2 then |
| [20:47:06] | gbee: | alternatively if you've any artistic or design talent we need new themes written for 0.22 |
| [20:48:35] | ** EvilGuru is just a codemonkey ** | |
| [20:48:55] | ** justinh is a jack of all trades. master of procrastinating ** | |
| [20:52:05] | meshe: | getting a stream from an stb over firewire, does myth basically write it raw to the disk? or does it need to encode it as it comes in? |
| [20:52:39] | justinh: | the first thing you said |
| [20:52:47] | justinh: | it's mpeg over firewire |
| [20:52:53] | meshe: | sweet |
| [20:52:55] | justinh: | myth just dumps it onto disk |
| [20:53:00] | meshe: | so processor requirements are low |
| [20:53:03] | gbee: | comes as mpeg2, it's just written to the disk (although parsed as it arrives to build a seektable) |
| [20:53:40] | justinh: | heh yeah it's a bit unfair to say 'just dumps it to disk' ;) |
| [20:53:58] | justinh: | but there certainly aint no encoding going on |
| [20:54:21] | meshe: | just found out that my cable provider uses a motorola dct6200 for HD and leaves all channels open on the firewire |
| [20:54:51] | Dagmar: | You suck and we hate you |
| [20:55:04] | meshe: | now, to buy a pair of those and a couple firewire cards |
| [20:55:40] | jackson__: | can't we daisy chain firewire? |
| [20:55:44] | justinh: | that makes two people I've seen in this channel in 2 years who said they got everything in the clear |
| [20:55:55] | justinh: | out of woooo how many? |
| [20:56:15] | meshe: | they have like no clear qam, but they leave the firewire port open for all channels... |
| [20:56:41] | justinh: | and maybe you caught them on an off-day :P |
| [20:57:02] | meshe: | nah, a myth user took them to task for blocking the firewire a couple years ago |
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| [20:57:23] | Dagmar: | Highly doubtful |
| [20:57:26] | meshe: | link: http://www.nabble.com/-Fwd:-Shaw-Cable-Begins . . . 5s15552.html |
| [20:57:56] | meshe: | and took it up to the CRTC (canadian version of the FCC) |
| [20:58:02] | justinh: | took them to task? aka "I'm going to cancel" ... :P |
| [20:58:48] | Dagmar: | Well, there's the difference right there. |
| [20:58:59] | meshe: | no, asked them to renable the firewire port after it had been working for 9 months in his myth setup, then they said no so he took it to the CRTC and the newspaper |
| [20:59:05] | Dagmar: | The CRTC is allowed to at least scold companies for ignoring them. |
| [20:59:17] | quadtree: | Comcast sends everything clear over firewire in my part of N. Virginia, at least everything that I pay for. |
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| [20:59:49] | Dagmar: | Plus that cable company had done something that woudlnt' be alllowed in the states, i.e., flagging a public broadcaster's content as copy-protected |
| [21:01:02] | Dagmar: | In the US cable companies have generally one and only one answer to such queries, sometimes one alternative answer. |
| [21:01:04] | meshe: | yeah, especially the national public broadcaster |
| [21:01:20] | Dagmar: | The primary answer being "fuck you" and the alternate being "give us more of your money and fuck you" |
| [21:01:52] | justinh: | god, Friday nights are so much more glamorous since I packed in DJing 10 years ago. Here I am fixing the button for the toilet flush |
| [21:02:17] | meshe: | i have a comcast account also for our property in the US, yeah, they don't give a damn about the customer |
| [21:03:26] | quadtree: | justinh, right as you posted the water in the toilet i fixed three months started running. |
| [21:03:29] | meshe: | i have a pvr-350 tuning down there, wonder how long until comcast makes that quit working |
| [21:03:44] | quadtree: | So thanks for jinxing the new seal. |
| [21:04:08] | justinh: | maybe do a good job this time eh :P |
| [21:04:18] | dashs: | How could comcast be allowed to offer phone service? Their business model is the entertainment industry — if you can't call 911 just change the channel. |
| [21:04:19] | quadtree: | That would take too much effort. |
| [21:04:50] | Dagmar: | dashcloud: Because they needed more ways to flirt with getting a smackdown from the FCC |
| [21:05:15] | GreyFoxx: | meshe: One thing I'm happy about with my cableco is that they turn on firewire out for every single channel you subscribe to. None of that CCI/5c bull |
| [21:05:17] | quadtree: | That toilet is weird – the out pipe is just a little bit larger than most, so I had to stretch the seal out a bit. Guess that was bound to fail. |
| [21:05:27] | quadtree: | anyway, I'll take this to #toilet. |
| [21:05:46] | Dagmar: | They're about to have a brick dropped on their heads because the FCC found out they're trying to do QoS and rate-throttling to protect their VOIP service as well as routing those packets over separate circuits. |
| [21:05:47] | meshe: | GreyFoxx: small cable company? |
| [21:05:50] | GreyFoxx: | That includes movie channels, discovery and so on |
| [21:06:07] | Dagmar: | ...which means they're running a phone company, not a VOIP service. |
| [21:06:17] | GreyFoxx: | meshe actually no. they cover all of nova scotia, and own cable codes in all provinces and terrtories |
| [21:06:21] | Dagmar: | This opens up a whole 'nother bag of tariffs and regulations they're about to be asked to comply with. |
| [21:06:52] | GreyFoxx: | They are the only cable company with a presence in every province |
| [21:06:58] | meshe: | GreyFoxx: cool, we just moved out of a place that had Novus as a cableco and internet provider, i already miss my viber internet connection |
| [21:07:03] | meshe: | *fiber |
| [21:07:32] | GreyFoxx: | Their Cable modem service rocks, phones works great, and make it policy to enable firewire on all subscriptions you have no matter what channel it is |
| [21:08:09] | meshe: | sweet |
| [21:08:36] | Dagmar: | I wish Comcast were like that |
| [21:08:49] | Dagmar: | I "know people" at the local francise and there's not a damn thing to be done |
| [21:09:09] | justinh: | American, the land of the free* *stuff not free |
| [21:09:16] | GreyFoxx: | 15mb down(andI actually get it), 1.5mb up, and it's like atank. It just works |
| [21:09:53] | meshe: | yeah, my fiber connection was 30Mb up 30Mb down, and you could do that on that connection |
| [21:09:57] | meshe: | $150/mo though |
| [21:10:13] | GreyFoxx: | I pay $45 (well the company does) |
| [21:11:16] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work is considering moving to NS... ;-) ** | |
| [21:11:34] | meshe: | i just moved from the city to the burbs, so the only option is Shaw cable or Telus dsl, and I won't do dsl |
| [21:12:24] | ** GreyFoxx heads out to pickup his kid ** | |
| [21:13:10] | meshe: | and yeah, nice to see that shaw opens all but 4 premium channels on the firewire, but they are sports so who cares ;) |
| [21:14:36] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | meshe: Humm... I've got 15/2 with FiOS now... looks like the new plans go up to 50/20 – for $144.95/mo... |
| [21:14:48] | meshe: | nice :) |
| [21:15:17] | meshe: | i had the business package which they charged double for but allowed me to run web and voip servers on it with a static ip |
| [21:15:27] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work pays $50 iirc for 15/2, which seems to be grandfathered as the lowest is 10/2 now, and next tier is 20/5 at $59.99... ** | |
| [21:17:31] | meshe: | my wish is that the cableco's would stop treating us like children and give up the caps, if you go over your limit too often on shaw, they just cut you off. with my fiber connection they gave you 360GBs included in the package and the option to charge you $0.50/G over |
| [21:17:50] | meshe: | i did go over, but they never charged me |
| [21:20:43] | justinh: | I wish my work place would get decent broadband |
| [21:21:15] | justinh: | my home connection is better. they have 2 leased 512k lines from BT. Costs a _fortune_ |
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| [21:30:24] | meshe: | heh, i remember when we had those at work, i actually remember when before that we ran the company on dsl |
| [21:30:55] | meshe: | now we are in a tech part right beside the ISP |
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| [21:35:02] | Dagmar: | We need to do a feature request |
| [21:35:15] | Dagmar: | Myth needs to support http://www.theonion.com/content/video/sony_re . . . pid_piece_of as an input device. |
| [21:35:53] | justinh: | haha I've just been watching the onion.. different clip – now thinking SOME stuff is worth watching out there |
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| [21:39:42] | high-rez: | Guys, if I have two capture cards (pci atsc) on two separate backends (master and slave) is there anything special I need to do so that the slave card can be used? They both ahve identical channels as they're both point to the same sources. Right now, only the master's tuner is being used, even if I try to tune a channel on a different multiplex that the one that the master's capture device is currently recording from. |
| [21:39:52] | Dagmar: | I'd post the feature request but i've already used up my public snark allotment for the day on the WoW forums |
| [21:41:02] | justinh: | oh jesus. dagmar. I have not laughed so much at an online video clip ever. I know it's probably not _that_ funny but by god it hit a spot |
| [21:41:13] | high-rez: | My config is: master: atsc card->mastvideosoruce1 and slave: card->slavvideosource1. I'm wondering if, because they're overlapping channel #'s – do they need to both point to the same video source ? |
| [21:41:23] | high-rez: | (in input connections) |
| [21:41:42] | iamlindoro_: | justinh, Dagmar: That's weird, that's *exactly* the UI I've chosen for my new theme |
| [21:41:48] | iamlindoro_: | WTF-wide |
| [21:42:09] | justinh: | at one point I couldn't even see my laptop |
| [21:42:49] | justinh: | hmmm. need to get mythnews working properly here so I can watch that stuff properly |
| [21:43:11] | justinh: | wonder if all it needs is the xml feed file updating |
| [21:44:03] | justinh: | noticed a 'web only' bit on a different clip – so does that mean they appear on 'real tv' anywhere? |
| [21:45:26] | justinh: | muhahaha. http://www.theonion.com/content/video/are_violent_video_games |
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| [21:46:33] | gbee: | it's good stuff because they play it so straight |
| [21:46:59] | gbee: | first time I've ever seen any Onion vids, but won't be the last |
| [21:49:36] | justinh: | roflmao @ Popupistan |
| [21:53:53] | ** gbee just read the White House/The Shining parody ** | |
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| [21:58:47] | high-rez: | Pfft. I don't get it. :( |
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| [22:06:15] | high-rez: | Huh, so I delete one of the channels from the master's channel table in mysql. The channel still shows up in mythweb – i set it to record and still nothing happens. Voodoo. |
| [22:07:29] | justinh: | you deleted a channel with the backend still running. whoops |
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| [22:09:26] | iamlindoro_: | Those UIs aren't just there to impress chicks |
| [22:10:38] | jackson__: | he just needs to restart the backends, right? |
| [22:12:31] | high-rez: | justinh: No, the backend wasn't running at the time. I think I sort of understand waht's going on now, in that each program is linked to a single chanid, which appears to be capture card (concat) channum. |
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| [22:13:23] | high-rez: | So I either need double entries in the database for each program (one for each capture card it appears on) or something else (whcih I have not yet figured out). |
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| [22:18:19] | high-rez: | It's working now, but there's certainly got to be a better way to do it. :| |
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| [22:18:47] | unimaginative: | This is frustrating, my audio/video stutter persists still. By all accords, this is a better machine than my other frontend, and the other frontend doesn't have a problem. I really think my problem is related to audio, and not video though. |
| [22:20:25] | unimaginative: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/372950 |
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| [22:36:43] | justinh: | wonder if mythnews downloads subscribed feeds in the background when the frontend is up. that'd be neat |
| [22:37:06] | justinh: | be neater still if it did that with audio/video stuff too |
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| [22:39:50] | unimaginative: | Could a slow network connection give this error? 2009-02–27 16:26:13.891 NVP: Video is 9.71594 frames ahead of audio, |
| [22:39:50] | unimaginative: | doubling video frame interval to slow down. |
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| [22:42:24] | justinh: | yes |
| [22:42:56] | unimaginative: | I wonder.. weird that sound would be the one behind though. |
| [22:43:35] | unimaginative: | that's the one major problem I've had with this board, I never could get onboard NIC working. Had to use a PCI |
| [22:44:14] | unimaginative: | It's a 10/100 nic, but I don't trust it |
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| [23:04:25] | kristok: | so I just swapped out my old graphics card (nvidia 62xx) for an 8400GS |
| [23:04:51] | kristok: | and now my HD playback is sucking up all my cpu |
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| [23:05:19] | Dagmar: | ...and it wasn't before? |
| [23:05:22] | kristok: | nope |
| [23:05:30] | Dagmar: | I find that rather hard to believe |
| [23:05:32] | kristok: | I also had up upgrade the driver version |
| [23:05:39] | Dagmar: | Yeah that would be required |
| [23:06:01] | Dagmar: | So was your "HD" content 1080 MPEG? |
| [23:06:08] | kristok: | These are just OTA mpeg2 |
| [23:06:19] | Dagmar: | You erred with the upgrade then. |
| [23:06:35] | unimaginative: | OTA could still be 1080 |
| [23:06:36] | Dagmar: | MPEG accelleration goes through XvMC, and there is no XvMC accelleration for cards above the 7xxx line at all |
| [23:06:55] | kristok: | I don't think I ever had xvmc setup |
| [23:07:05] | Dagmar: | You did. It'a automatic. |
| [23:07:16] | kristok: | I'm still running .20. was it automatic back then? |
| [23:07:25] | Dagmar: | Simply installing the nVidia driver installs the XvMCNVIDIA library which intercepts all calls to libXvMC from then on |
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| [23:08:18] | Dagmar: | The VDPAU stuff that would apply only if you have the newer 8400 only accellerates h.264 encoded video |
| [23:08:27] | Dagmar: | ...and it's only in -trunk. |
| [23:08:28] | mzb: | hi all |
| [23:08:53] | Dagmar: | Find out what the core clock speed is on your 8400GS. |
| [23:09:24] | mzb: | I have an issue where I have to rmmod the modules for the tuner before hibernation. This also means that lircd needs to be restarted on resume as the remote receiver is integrated. |
| [23:09:31] | kristok: | would that be in /proc/driver or do I have to dig around |
| [23:09:41] | Dagmar: | Ark wait I messed up some of that too |
| [23:09:45] | mzb: | Only problem is that mythwelcome doesn't "re-attach" to the restarted lirc daemon. |
| [23:09:55] | Dagmar: | Just see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/NVidia_Cards for the differnce between the two 8400 cards |
| [23:10:15] | mzb: | Is there a SIG{SOMETHING} I can send mythwelcome? or do I have to restart mythwelcome? |
| [23:10:18] | Dagmar: | If you bought it _recently_ it's hopefully the G98 core |
| [23:10:56] | kristok: | Yes, I just bought it |
| [23:11:09] | high-rez: | Dagmar: Only in trunk true, but there is a really good backport for it. |
| [23:11:19] | Dagmar: | mzb: If plain kill (SIGTERM) doesn't do it than you'll have to restart it |
| [23:11:30] | Dagmar: | high-rez: We don't talk of such "backports" here. |
| [23:11:33] | Dagmar: | It makes people crazy |
| [23:11:36] | Dagmar: | ;) |
| [23:11:42] | mzb: | no, I don't want to kill it, I was hoping for something like SIGHUP |
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| [23:11:50] | justinh: | the words back & port.. meh |
| [23:11:53] | justinh: | rear port |
| [23:12:08] | high-rez: | *cough*just_commit_it*cough* |
| [23:12:11] | Dagmar: | mzb: So did you try -HUP? |
| [23:12:11] | ** high-rez ducks ** | |
| [23:12:21] | mzb: | working on it |
| [23:12:27] | justinh: | high-rez: you hold the power to fork. good luck with that |
| [23:12:36] | iamlindoro: | Oh god how I wish they would |
| [23:12:53] | mzb: | it doesn't seem to happen every time, not sure why |
| [23:13:42] | iamlindoro: | high-rez, WTF kind of idea would it be to commit what is considered an unsupported feature even in trunk to a branch that by definition takes NO new features? |
| [23:14:52] | high-rez: | iamlin: Wasn't fixes locked down (as the name fixes implies) when janne brought it's ffmpeg inline with trunk (to support the hdpvr) ? |
| [23:15:13] | Dagmar: | Yep. Only fixes go in |
| [23:15:16] | iamlindoro: | high-rez, Fixes has never gotten a backport of the latest libav* |
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| [23:15:26] | justinh: | fixes remains only for fixes. No new features |
| [23:15:35] | iamlindoro: | high-rez, It got *some* modifications to h264.c which were *bugfixes* |
| [23:15:40] | justinh: | that includes ffmpeg syncs |
| [23:15:45] | iamlindoro: | and not to support HD-PVR, which is unsupported in .21 also |
| [23:15:56] | mzb: | SIGHUP kills mythwelcome :( |
| [23:16:05] | kristok: | so if I stick with the 8400 my mpeg2 playback is gonna suck |
| [23:16:18] | Dagmar: | For now, yes |
| [23:16:27] | Dagmar: | Well, unless you buy a better CPU. |
| [23:16:33] | kristok: | yeah. |
| [23:16:45] | Dagmar: | I'm pretty sure I've not had a problem with 1080 MPEG on my 4850 CPU |
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| [23:16:54] | Dagmar: | er 4850e |
| [23:17:01] | kristok: | oh well. I don't have any h.264 stuff to playback anyway |
| [23:17:09] | kristok: | so I'll just put the 6200 back in for now |
| [23:17:13] | Dagmar: | Good plan |
| [23:17:25] | Dagmar: | If you check the box your newer card came in it'll probably say what the core speed is |
| [23:17:36] | high-rez: | Huh, I could swear I saw a commit that borugh it's libav* to a new release while it was tagged fixes. But I guess I'm wrong there. That said, I'll be totally happy when -trunk moves into a -fixes branch. |
| [23:17:37] | Dagmar: | The VC-1 codec mentioned is mainly only applicable to blueray stuff |
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| [23:18:19] | iamlindoro: | high-rez, Nope, only some fixes from the new libavcodec h264.c |
| [23:18:27] | iamlindoro: | but fixes only, not new features |
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| [23:18:40] | BLACKthroat: | Could anyone help me with lirc? |
| [23:18:50] | justinh: | try #lirc |
| [23:18:51] | Dagmar: | Did you read it's documentation? |
| [23:19:05] | kristok: | Dagmar: the box doesn't say but the spec page on newegg says it has the 567 MHz core |
| [23:19:07] | BLACKthroat: | Nobody is in there |
| [23:19:11] | BLACKthroat: | or alive tha tis |
| [23:19:14] | justinh: | BLACKthroat: and? |
| [23:19:15] | Dagmar: | kristok: Is that where you got it from? |
| [23:19:23] | kristok: | yes |
| [23:19:23] | mzb: | I guess I'll just have to change init levels on suspend/resume |
| [23:19:31] | Dagmar: | kristok: Ah then you're probably golden for now then |
| [23:19:42] | BLACKthroat: | Anyway, I'm currently at the point where i'm running irw |
| [23:19:52] | Dagmar: | mzb: Considering how many things go on when that happens it's not a bad idea |
| [23:19:58] | BLACKthroat: | And I dont see any response when hitting buttons |
| [23:20:00] | Dagmar: | You've got a runlevel free somewhere in there |
| [23:20:08] | mzb: | hmm ... just doesn't look as pretty |
| [23:20:18] | Dagmar: | BLACKrock: So again, did you read it's documentation? |
| [23:20:29] | BLACKthroat: | Dagmar, yes I did |
| [23:20:32] | mzb: | I use init 3 as "no X" (2 being the default init level on Debian) |
| [23:20:48] | justinh: | BLACKthroat: you should use irw to check your lirc config |
| [23:21:37] | BLACKthroat: | justinh, Thats what I was doing |
| [23:21:52] | Dagmar: | BLACKthroat: So is lircd running? |
| [23:21:58] | BLACKthroat: | Yes |
| [23:22:04] | kristok: | Dagmar: so will the newer cards eventually playback MPEG2 more efficiently? or will I need a beefier cpu |
| [23:22:07] | Dagmar: | Then you need to re-read it's documentation. |
| [23:22:11] | BLACKthroat: | I even restarted it like the wiki recommened |
| [23:22:15] | Dagmar: | kristok: Eventually. |
| [23:22:42] | Dagmar: | BLACKthroat: So which config file are you using for lircd |
| [23:23:33] | BLACKthroat: | Dagmar, I matched it to lirc_mceusb2 |
| [23:24:17] | BLACKthroat: | I have the Hauppauge PVR-kit remote |
| [23:24:20] | BLACKthroat: | Version 2 |
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| [23:25:29] | Dagmar: | So you again need to reread it's documentation. |
| [23:25:43] | Dagmar: | Either it's broken or you've not set the module and lircd up right |
| [23:26:07] | BLACKthroat: | Alright. |
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| [23:26:17] | BLACKthroat: | Nothing has changed from Hardy to Intrepid I take it? |
| [23:27:13] | Dagmar: | Are you that high? |
| [23:27:27] | BLACKthroat: | I wish |
| [23:27:36] | Dagmar: | Major release changes have major changes. |
| [23:27:45] | BLACKthroat: | I meant regarding lircf |
| [23:27:46] | BLACKthroat: | lirc |
| [23:27:59] | Dagmar: | Being that I don't run Ubuntu... |
| [23:28:29] | Dagmar: | Pro tip: Anything that you are doing where you plan to cut and paste "stuff" from a website without thinking will fail. |
| [23:29:07] | BLACKthroat: | Human tip: You don't have to be such an asshole about it |
| [23:29:49] | BLACKthroat: | I didn't come in here clueless without having read up on things asking aimlessly for help. |
| [23:30:05] | Dagmar: | You could have fooled me. |
| [23:30:06] | mzb: | BLACKthroat: irw |
| [23:30:08] | BLACKthroat: | I was hoping that someone could offer me some useful advice |
| [23:30:32] | Dagmar: | Looked to me like you wanted someone to hold your hand and walk you through setting it up. |
| [23:30:37] | BLACKthroat: | mzb, thanks I have tried that and no luck thus far. |
| [23:30:53] | BLACKthroat: | I've set this up before in the past, and now I am unable to |
| [23:30:55] | Dagmar: | If it worked before, and suddenly stopped, the upgrade you did broke it and you get to reconfigure it |
| [23:31:06] | mzb: | in a separate terminal stop lirc service and run it with -n |
| [23:31:20] | Dagmar: | Either way, calling me an asshole gets you in the ignore list |
| [23:31:26] | Dagmar: | ...because this isn't #lirc |
| [23:31:29] | BLACKthroat: | Gosh, my Friday is now ruined |
| [23:31:39] | BLACKthroat: | Nobody is responding in there you jerkoff |
| [23:31:46] | mzb: | and/or try irrecord (etc) to see if you can get any signals |
| [23:31:49] | mzb: | I give up |
| [23:31:55] | BLACKthroat: | mzb, Thank you. |
| [23:32:09] | mzb: | k |
| [23:38:51] | tank-man: | which lirc wiki are you refering to? |
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| [23:43:04] | BLACKthroat: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Ubuntu_lirc_install |
| [23:43:37] | tank-man: | the docs at the lirc homepage are pretty straight forward |
| [23:43:39] | tank-man: | http://www.lirc.org/html/index.html |
| [23:43:45] | tank-man: | try those instructions |
| [23:44:20] | BLACKthroat: | Thank you, I'll check them out. |
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| [23:55:20] | BLACKthroat: | So when starting lirc with -n, I get the message that it is Unable to load LIRC kernel modules.... |
| [23:55:39] | BLACKthroat: | I open up /etc/lirc/hardware.conf and I dont see what is wrong with it |
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| [23:55:51] | justdave: | hmm, dunno, lirc always "just worked" for me on Ubuntu, since Gutsy or so anyway |
| [23:56:13] | justdave: | earlier incarnations of Ubuntu I remember having to manually recompile the kernel modules every time I got a new kernel |
| [23:56:28] | BLACKthroat: | MODULES="lirc_mceusb2" |
| [23:56:39] | BLACKthroat: | I don't see anything wrong with that |
| [23:56:50] | justdave: | Gutsy and up have a source package and it compiles them for you during boot if you boot a kernel that doesn't have them |
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| [23:57:34] | justdave: | (apologies if I'm missing something important from earlier in the conversation, this window's been buried and I just poked my nose in here just now) |
| [23:57:40] | tank-man: | BLACKthroat, is that the module for your hardware? and no, any random module will not work for you |
| [23:57:57] | BLACKthroat: | that should be |
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| [23:58:14] | BLACKthroat: | and i believe from what i read, 'any' is an argument that works |
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| [23:58:42] | BLACKthroat: | but I'm probably wrong |
| [23:58:56] | justdave: | that's the module I use with mine... it's a Phillips remote from a Windows Media Center kit with the USB receiver that came with it (black triangular thing on a USB dongle) |
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| [23:59:53] | BLACKthroat: | Yeah, well i got the Hauppauge 350 |
| [23:59:55] | tank-man: | BLACKthroat, after manually loading the module, did you run "mode2" as su? |
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