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| [00:20:54] | coda: | hi there! |
| [00:21:38] | coda: | excuse me guys, I've recently installed mythtv and configured the WinTV Nova-T |
| [00:21:50] | coda: | now I'm trying to configure the remote control.. |
| [00:22:08] | mzb_d800: | setting TZ prior to mythwelcome doesn't help either :| ... grrr |
| [00:22:44] | gbee: | any read Chinese? (or might be japanese) |
| [00:22:48] | gbee: | anyone |
| [00:23:04] | ** cesman reads some Japanese ** | |
| [00:23:09] | mzb_d800: | it's all Greek to me ;) |
| [00:23:09] | coda: | I've compiled the drivers and it seems to be working now.. but, for example, if I open a console and I press the "1" button on the remote, I see "1" in the terminal.. even if lirc is not running.. |
| [00:23:22] | cesman: | if it is kanji you need help, sorry |
| [00:23:28] | cesman: | cannot say I know enough |
| [00:23:29] | mzb_d800: | coda: use the devinput driver for lirc |
| [00:23:40] | coda: | does this sounds familiar for you guys? |
| [00:23:41] | coda: | oh |
| [00:23:43] | coda: | let's see |
| [00:24:17] | gbee: | nevermind, seems google translate does Chinese pretty good now |
| [00:24:59] | iamlindoro: | For make woman blow up, apply most excellent warming oil? |
| [00:25:22] | iamlindoro: | OR |
| [00:25:26] | iamlindoro: | the recent wiki change |
| [00:25:29] | iamlindoro: | which is way more boring |
| [00:25:38] | mzb_d800: | you will probably need a udev rule to make it "nice". I recently posted a rule for the DualDigital4 that might help you: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=6794981&postcount=92 |
| [00:25:47] | coda: | mzb_d800: I have the REMOTE_DRIVER set to "devinput" on my hardware.conf file.. is that correct? |
| [00:26:17] | mzb_d800: | # irrecord -H devinput -d /dev/input/event?? testrecord |
| [00:26:48] | mzb_d800: | probably, depends on distro iirc |
| [00:27:07] | mzb_d800: | anybody using mythwelcome? |
| [00:27:21] | coda: | mzb_d800: "gap not found, can't continue" :( |
| [00:28:47] | coda: | mzb_d800: the weird thing is that I see a lot of 2's on the screen.. like if I were holding the key "2" on my keyboard.. |
| [00:28:53] | mzb_d800: | and how have you determined the correct input event? |
| [00:28:59] | mzb_d800: | not in X console |
| [00:29:09] | mzb_d800: | exit X |
| [00:29:13] | coda: | ahhh okok |
| [00:29:14] | mzb_d800: | do it from terminal |
| [00:29:15] | coda: | let's see |
| [00:30:15] | coda: | damn it.. same thing |
| [00:30:36] | coda: | as if I were holding the key 2 on my keyboard.. I don't get it |
| [00:31:02] | iamlindoro: | gbee, What was the content of that apge? |
| [00:31:03] | iamlindoro: | page |
| [00:31:12] | mzb_d800: | coda: how have you determined the correct input event? |
| [00:31:27] | coda: | even if I stop lircd and I press the "2" button on my remote, I see a "2" in interminal |
| [00:31:42] | mzb_d800: | yes ... got that ... ignore it atm |
| [00:31:49] | mzb_d800: | it's a _devinput_ device |
| [00:31:53] | coda: | dmesg | grep receiver |
| [00:32:04] | mzb_d800: | have you stopped X? |
| [00:32:06] | coda: | yes |
| [00:32:38] | coda: | oh... it changed after I rebooted |
| [00:32:42] | coda: | let me try again please |
| [00:32:50] | gbee: | iamlindoro: wiki spam – http://www.pastebin.ca/1347331 |
| [00:32:57] | mzb_d800: | coda: that's the point of setting a udev rule |
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| [00:33:32] | iamlindoro: | gbee, what an odd thing to spam about, heh |
| [00:33:37] | coda: | mzb_d800: ough.. it's recognizing it now.. what a shame :D |
| [00:33:37] | wagnerrp: | gbee: that showed up on the wiki? |
| [00:33:47] | gbee: | it's suprisingly readable for an automated translation |
| [00:33:50] | gbee: | wagnerrp: yeah |
| [00:33:57] | mzb_d800: | coda: heh, shame that it works? |
| [00:34:43] | coda: | mzb_d800: no, shame that I didn't double check the correct input event :P |
| [00:35:00] | mzb_d800: | ah |
| [00:35:08] | coda: | mzb_d800: sorry for my poor english.. :( |
| [00:35:27] | mzb_d800: | nothing wrong with it |
| [00:36:40] | gbee: | what I love about it most is that management bullcrap is the same the world over, that could have originated on the desks of any western enterprise |
| [00:36:48] | coda: | mzb_d800: so now.. is it there any easy way to configure it and use it with mythtv? :D |
| [00:37:08] | iamlindoro: | Probably largely due to it having been exported by the west :) |
| [00:37:23] | mzb_d800: | 1. irrecord to create lircd.conf (ie: button definitions) |
| [00:37:54] | mzb_d800: | 2. .lircrc (by hand?) to link the buttons to actions|keypresses |
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| [00:38:05] | coda: | mzb_d800: ok, but should I put some 'specific name' to each button? |
| [00:38:08] | mzb_d800: | 3. link ~/.lircrc to ~/mythtv/ |
| [00:38:41] | mzb_d800: | yes, like what it says on the button ... you can use just about anything in lircd.conf, it's only referenced by lircrc |
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| [00:39:29] | coda: | oh no.. |
| [00:39:39] | coda: | I mistakenly closed the window :( |
| [00:40:06] | coda: | mzb_d800: sorry for being bothering you.. could you please paste me your last notes again on private? |
| [00:40:27] | mzb_d800: | <mzb_d800> 1. irrecord to create lircd.conf (ie: button definitions) |
| [00:40:28] | mzb_d800: | <mzb_d800> 2. .lircrc (by hand?) to link the buttons to actions|keypresses |
| [00:40:35] | mzb_d800: | <mzb_d800> 3. link ~/.lircrc to ~/mythtv/ |
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| [00:40:40] | mzb_d800: | <mzb_d800> yes, like what it says on the button ... you can use just about anything in lircd.conf, it's only referenced by lircrc |
| [00:41:12] | coda: | mzb_d800: thanks a lot.. you're the best :P |
| [00:41:38] | mzb_d800: | np, good luck (it takes a while to setup) |
| [00:41:40] | coda: | mzb_d800: btw, what about the udev thing you said a while ago? |
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| [00:41:47] | coda: | mzb_d800: no problem :P |
| [00:42:02] | mzb_d800: | well, you know how the "event" number *can* change? |
| [00:42:30] | mzb_d800: | the udev rule (when you get it right) will link that event# to something like "/dev/input/irrecord" |
| [00:42:30] | coda: | is it randomly set during the boot by udev? |
| [00:42:58] | mzb_d800: | not randomly, depends on many things, including slot of the device, module load order, etc |
| [00:43:09] | coda: | okok |
| [00:43:13] | mzb_d800: | safer to link the event to a static device name |
| [00:43:30] | iamlindoro: | Heh |
| [00:43:37] | mzb_d800: | and make it *device* specific, not port|slot specific |
| [00:43:44] | coda: | great.. is it hard to create that link? :$ |
| [00:43:47] | iamlindoro: | There's something funny about wanting to read about a topic, but the top google search result is a conversation you had in a forum |
| [00:43:56] | iamlindoro: | especially when the two topics are unrelated |
| [00:44:12] | mzb_d800: | you just need to get the rule right, check the post I made re dualdigital4 |
| [00:44:22] | mzb_d800: | http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=6794981&postcount=92 |
| [00:44:54] | coda: | mzb_d800: thanks over and over again :) |
| [00:44:59] | mzb_d800: | ok, np |
| [00:46:31] | coda: | oh.. now that I remember.. is there any way to integrate xbmc and mythtv? :$ |
| [00:46:43] | wagnerrp: | why would you want to? |
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| [00:47:44] | coda: | just because I like xbmc's interface to play music and movies |
| [00:48:11] | wagnerrp: | well myth's music interface leaves something to be desired |
| [00:48:19] | wagnerrp: | however the video interface is adequate |
| [00:48:39] | coda: | I didn't try it too much, it was just a first impression |
| [00:48:48] | wagnerrp: | and the mythui stuff in trunk is capable looking every bit as good as xbmc |
| [00:50:38] | mzb_d800: | from what I can see in welcomedialog.cpp, there's a function WelcomeDialog::updateTime which uses QTime::currentTime() |
| [00:51:14] | mzb_d800: | from http://doc.trolltech.com/4.2/qtime.html it appears that this will return UTC time, right? |
| [00:51:22] | mzb_d800: | (rather than local time) |
| [00:51:41] | coda: | is there any way to create my own module for mythtv? I mean, for example to play video from megavideo, or something like that.. |
| [00:52:07] | wagnerrp: | sure, if you want |
| [00:52:15] | wagnerrp: | theres the necessary header files in the source |
| [00:52:15] | mzb_d800: | where, in theory, it should be: QTime::currentTime(Qt::LocalTime); ??? |
| [00:53:15] | coda: | great :) thanks a lot again |
| [00:53:25] | mzb_d800: | (assuming that updateTime is *only* used for display) |
| [00:53:46] | mzb_d800: | should I be taking this to #mythtv? |
| [00:54:58] | coda: | for example, there's a page with lots of spanish online movies (from different sources, such as megavideo), and maybe it could be a good idea to parse that page and play them through mythtv |
| [00:55:02] | coda: | arrrghh I hate my english :D |
| [00:55:41] | wagnerrp: | sounds illegitimate |
| [00:56:16] | coda: | ahmm.. that's right, sorry :( |
| [00:56:20] | wagnerrp: | or at least scraping and externally viewing such movies would be a violation of the TOS of the site |
| [00:57:56] | coda: | actually it only contains links to external sources.. anyway it's illegal |
| [00:59:07] | wagnerrp: | nothing stopping you from making such a plugin for your own use |
| [00:59:15] | wagnerrp: | just dont mention it here, on the mailing list, or on the wiki |
| [00:59:25] | coda: | sure |
| [00:59:38] | wagnerrp: | those things result in bans |
| [01:00:26] | coda: | I know, I've just forgot it for a moment.. :( sorry again |
| [01:03:21] | coda: | gotta go bed guys, thanks a lot for your help, I really appreciate it |
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| [01:04:07] | coda: | seeya wagnerrp, thanks again :) |
| [01:04:10] | coda: | byebye |
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| [01:08:50] | mzb_d800: | my mythwelcome problem *could* be as simple as the leading "1" not being displayed in "12:06" (font size?) |
| [01:08:58] | mzb_d800: | I'll try a different resolution |
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| [01:10:19] | mzb_d800: | err... nah, that's too much hard work ;) |
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| [01:19:43] | [yzf600]: | so I just started using mythtv |
| [01:20:01] | [yzf600]: | scheduled recordings are working perfectly |
| [01:20:24] | [yzf600]: | until I was watching a live TV channel and paused it before a scheduled recording started. |
| [01:20:49] | [yzf600]: | I've got a 2 tuners (an hdhomerun) |
| [01:21:07] | [yzf600]: | so the live TV was on tuner 1, and so was the scheduled recording |
| [01:21:11] | sphery: | So, my plea for help documenting how to use distro debug packages ( http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/368580#368580 ) seems to have been useless... Still not documented after a year. |
| [01:21:25] | [yzf600]: | mythtv didn't switch the scheduled recording over to tuner 2 |
| [01:21:39] | iamlindoro: | sphery, what made you think about it after a year? |
| [01:21:40] | mzb_d800: | there's an option somewhere for that |
| [01:21:43] | [yzf600]: | does it lack this ability, or did I not set it up right |
| [01:21:57] | iamlindoro: | Oh, forgot it was a LOST night, hooray |
| [01:22:11] | Dagmar: | I'm still catching up on BSG |
| [01:22:14] | mzb_d800: | [yzf600]: there's an option somewhere for that |
| [01:22:14] | sphery: | If anyone wants to write up info, I just reworked http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging to provide a skeleton for distro-specific debugging info (i.e. how to enable the debug repos, install debug packages, and then run the debugger)... |
| [01:22:21] | sphery: | iamlindoro: I mean after a month |
| [01:22:42] | sphery: | was cleaning up my sent folder in my mail client |
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| [01:22:44] | [yzf600]: | mzb_d800: ok. I;ll look for the setting |
| [01:23:04] | sphery: | even if it's not full documentation, it's better than the nothing we currently have... |
| [01:23:13] | sphery: | if you know anything, you know more about it than I |
| [01:23:14] | [yzf600]: | mzb_d800: would that setting be a backend setting? |
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| [01:23:48] | mzb_d800: | probably, can't recall. |
| [01:25:03] | sphery: | [yzf600]: Avoid conflicts between live TV and scheduled shows: If enabled, live TV will choose a tuner card that is less likely to have scheduled recordings rather than the best card available. |
| [01:25:19] | sphery: | [yzf600]: in frontend settings, under General |
| [01:25:31] | [yzf600]: | sphery: thanks |
| [01:25:44] | [yzf600]: | I'm actually using the mythbox script in xbmc |
| [01:25:53] | [yzf600]: | so I'll have to see if it has a similar control |
| [01:26:08] | sphery: | iamlindoro: guess you LOST track of time... |
| [01:26:21] | iamlindoro: | sphery, wish I could have lost track of three more hours |
| [01:31:41] | SlicerDicer: | why would a pvr350 be recording videos in .nuv |
| [01:31:54] | SlicerDicer: | It has not done that in age |
| [01:31:55] | SlicerDicer: | s |
| [01:31:56] | sphery: | records in MPEG, then the system auto transcodes? |
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| [01:32:12] | SlicerDicer: | sphery: umm I have no idea |
| [01:32:23] | SlicerDicer: | but it is saying mythfrontend does not have codecs to play it back |
| [01:32:30] | SlicerDicer: | I am pretty frustrated |
| [01:33:01] | sphery: | pastebin ffmpeg -i, please |
| [01:33:16] | sphery: | ffmpeg -i /path/to/recording_file.nuv |
| [01:35:14] | SlicerDicer: | sphery: unless something is new seriously... |
| [01:35:20] | SlicerDicer: | I havent seen it do nuv with this since 2004 |
| [01:35:23] | SlicerDicer: | or maybe 2005 |
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| [01:35:34] | SlicerDicer: | its been a long time since I recorded in NUV |
| [01:36:16] | iamlindoro: | So... why not give him the output he's asking for? |
| [01:36:16] | SlicerDicer: | sphery: btw the recordings autoexpire before I can do anything with them anyway |
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| [01:36:26] | SlicerDicer: | I can just see it dumping in my logs that its recording nuv |
| [01:36:36] | SlicerDicer: | iamlindoro: cause I dont have a nuv? |
| [01:36:46] | SlicerDicer: | thus I cant do path/to/foo.nuv |
| [01:36:59] | iamlindoro: | Why would your recordings be expiring instantly? Are you out of disk space? |
| [01:37:03] | SlicerDicer: | no |
| [01:37:05] | SlicerDicer: | not even close |
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| [01:37:37] | iamlindoro: | What do you have the autoexpire space threshold set to? |
| [01:37:45] | SlicerDicer: | 1gb? |
| [01:38:03] | SlicerDicer: | does it matter? I have over 1tb free |
| [01:38:04] | SlicerDicer: | lol |
| [01:38:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | or, you've got the max recordings set to 10, but nto 'record new and expire old'... |
| [01:38:08] | SlicerDicer: | unlikely that is the problem |
| [01:38:14] | SlicerDicer: | J-e-f-f-A: I have over 180 recordings |
| [01:38:20] | iamlindoro: | I would say that if your recordings are immediately expiring, then you have much bigger problems what what container your recordings are |
| [01:38:21] | SlicerDicer: | I just reinstalled myth and its acting stupid |
| [01:38:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | SlicerDicer: of that one program? |
| [01:38:35] | SlicerDicer: | J-e-f-f-A: no just random shit |
| [01:38:37] | iamlindoro: | You just reinstalling myth is a fairly important piece of the puzzle |
| [01:38:44] | iamlindoro: | wonder when you would mention that part |
| [01:38:48] | sphery: | only LiveTV that's less than 2 minutes should expire immediately |
| [01:38:53] | iamlindoro: | means you've set up as the wrong card type, most likely |
| [01:38:58] | SlicerDicer: | sphery: the frontend crashes |
| [01:38:59] | SlicerDicer: | thus deletes |
| [01:39:03] | SlicerDicer: | wow there is my answer |
| [01:39:03] | iamlindoro: | lord |
| [01:39:13] | iamlindoro: | so allll of this is wrong, but the problem is recording to NUV? |
| [01:39:34] | SlicerDicer: | iamlindoro: do you really think I am that stupid? |
| [01:39:35] | iamlindoro: | So myth didn't "just start" recording wrong, this is essentially a *new* (misconfigured) myth install |
| [01:39:36] | SlicerDicer: | if so please die |
| [01:39:45] | SlicerDicer: | iamlindoro: I am not in the mood for your shit today |
| [01:40:02] | sphery: | even though it probably included the answer to your question? |
| [01:40:10] | iamlindoro: | I am being entirely serious-- if you just reinstalled myth, then we aren't talking about a 3 year old setup |
| [01:40:13] | SlicerDicer: | unlikely as I have it setup correctly |
| [01:40:13] | jams: | SlicerDicer- civil please |
| [01:40:15] | iamlindoro: | we're talking about a new setup |
| [01:40:22] | SlicerDicer: | jams: I am tired of his rude shit |
| [01:40:28] | SlicerDicer: | he needs to knock it the fuck off |
| [01:40:30] | ** iamlindoro sighs ** | |
| [01:40:31] | SlicerDicer: | everytime I come in |
| [01:40:34] | SlicerDicer: | nonstop |
| [01:40:39] | SlicerDicer: | I have logs of everytime |
| [01:40:42] | SlicerDicer: | do you wish to see them? |
| [01:40:43] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o jams | |
| [01:40:47] | iamlindoro: | bye |
| [01:41:07] | SlicerDicer: | wont be the first time jams has kicked me for not tolerating your garbage |
| [01:41:14] | jams: | no i don't wish to see them, i have all that i need right in front of me. |
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| [01:43:01] | iamlindoro: | suspense is killing me |
| [01:44:13] | SlicerDicer: | its easy |
| [01:44:16] | SlicerDicer: | I will make it simple |
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| [01:44:45] | iamlindoro: | aside from my being exasperated at the end, I don't think I really gave him any crap. Hmm. |
| [01:45:22] | iamlindoro: | I mean come on, "What's wrong with myth, it hasn't done this since 2004 or 2005" is a little silly in light of (10 minutes later) mentioning you just reinstalled myth |
| [01:46:10] | sphery: | And, even if he's insisting his system is properly configured, he should at least entertain the idea that its symptoms indicate that it's not. |
| [01:46:29] | iamlindoro: | Well there's only two conditions on which one will get an NUV from a pvr-350 |
| [01:46:37] | iamlindoro: | and only one in which they will be immediately recorded to one |
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| [01:47:05] | sphery: | and that one would likely cause crashing and/or no files generated and other behavior he's experiencing |
| [01:47:35] | iamlindoro: | but hey, mea culpa apparently |
| [01:47:59] | hadees: | i'm guessing the answer is no but is there anyway to have mythfrontend start into the internal player playing a file via the command line |
| [01:48:09] | iamlindoro: | mythtv filename.ext |
| [01:48:42] | sphery: | but that starts the debug app, not mythfrontend, right? |
| [01:48:50] | sphery: | i.e. when you exit mythfrontend won't be running, right? |
| [01:49:04] | iamlindoro: | Doesn't sound like he wants mythfrontend to run |
| [01:49:17] | iamlindoro: | but perhaps I misunderstood |
| [01:49:33] | sphery: | I think others use hacks--I mean scripts--that start mythfrontend then use the telnet controls to get it to do whatever they want on startup |
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| [01:49:48] | hadees: | kind of, i was playing around with the idea of trying to get xbmc to do everything except the core mythtv stuff, ie dvr, talking with mythbackend, etc |
| [01:49:57] | rorre_: | Hello everyone. I'm having issues compiling Mythtv. |
| [01:50:46] | hadees: | i'm not really looking to do any heavy integration, i might just put xbmc as an item in the mythtv menu |
| [01:50:57] | rorre_: | http://dpaste.com/1257/ is what I get when I try: simple summary – INT32 thinks it's a long int somewhere, and it's being defined as an int in the compile, and it's quitting. |
| [01:51:13] | Dagmar: | Building on Gentoo>?" |
| [01:51:26] | rorre_: | me? I am. |
| [01:51:41] | Dagmar: | Yes. Ask in #Gentoo what you've done to break your development environment |
| [01:51:59] | rorre_: | In those words? |
| [01:52:05] | Dagmar: | Pretty much. |
| [01:52:11] | Dagmar: | I wasn't just being snarky earlier about that |
| [01:52:24] | Dagmar: | You zigged when you should have zagged at some point during the Qt build process |
| [01:53:08] | rorre_: | Sounds about usual. Thanks. |
| [01:53:27] | Dagmar: | It's got to be either there or in the X packages |
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| [01:53:57] | hadees: | i'm thinking of getting rid of cable all together and just using mythtv for OTA then using xbmc (boxee?) or something for a nicer video interface and possibly like netflix or hulu if that ever gets supported legally again |
| [01:54:10] | hadees: | the bills are just insane and i'm sick of paying the cable company |
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| [01:58:12] | Dagmar: | rorre_: You'd better not be acting sarcastic there. I've looked at the files in question for Qt-3.3.8, there shouldn't be a conflict like that |
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| [01:59:31] | Dagmar: | rorre_: I've got xproto-7.0.10 here and it doesn't *have* the same definition as yours so either X broke or there's part of the Gentoo ebuild for that that's patched in a shiny new bug |
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| [02:21:07] | mchou: | hadees: the bills are insane?? That's probably because you're subscribing to too much crap |
| [02:22:15] | mchou: | hadees: just go with 'limited basic', should be less than $15/mo |
| [02:22:48] | hadees: | mchou, i would love limited basic if it had hd for like discovery |
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| [02:23:32] | mchou: | hadees: you cant get DISCHD in the clear? |
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| [02:23:52] | hadees: | mchou, nope, i can only get the regular OTA channels |
| [02:24:05] | mchou: | hadees: you sure about that? |
| [02:24:11] | hadees: | mchou, positive |
| [02:24:18] | mchou: | hadees: what's your zip code? |
| [02:24:20] | hadees: | and i had to fight for that |
| [02:24:31] | hadees: | 78702 |
| [02:24:43] | ** mchou looks ** | |
| [02:25:30] | mchou: | hadees: wow, you poor guy |
| [02:26:04] | mchou: | hadees: just get an antenna and call it a day |
| [02:26:18] | mchou: | hadees: your cableco sucks |
| [02:26:25] | hadees: | lol, where did you look? |
| [02:26:41] | mchou: | silicondust.com |
| [02:27:50] | mchou: | hadees: you have a STB from the cableco? |
| [02:28:07] | hadees: | neat site, yeah i have two for HD |
| [02:28:22] | mchou: | you usine firewire? |
| [02:28:27] | mchou: | using* |
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| [02:28:47] | hadees: | i am for channel changing, firewire was really limited, i bought a hdpvr for it |
| [02:29:04] | hadees: | i wonder how direct tv is, i was thinking of uverse but heard that sucks |
| [02:29:04] | mchou: | what kind of STB is it? |
| [02:29:30] | hadees: | SA 3250HD |
| [02:29:37] | mchou: | hadees: bah |
| [02:29:46] | mchou: | like I said, your cableco sucks |
| [02:29:59] | hadees: | yup, its time warner |
| [02:30:04] | mchou: | get an antenna |
| [02:30:13] | hadees: | i've heard other people have better results with them other places |
| [02:30:23] | mchou: | unless you live in a valley in austin |
| [02:31:14] | hadees: | mchou, i'll probably end doing that, with like hulu and netflix i can just say screw them |
| [02:31:35] | hadees: | i'll use mythtv to grab the local stuff and maybe xbmc for hulu and videos |
| [02:31:36] | mchou: | yup. netflix ftw |
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| [02:35:32] | JpSSgtRock: | Hi, all |
| [02:35:44] | [yzf600]: | hadees |
| [02:35:56] | [yzf600]: | hadees: I'm doing the exact same thing as you |
| [02:35:56] | hadees: | [yzf600], yeah? |
| [02:36:10] | [yzf600]: | myth for local, internet for rest |
| [02:36:41] | [yzf600]: | I'm having somewhat of a hard time getting xbmc to play the myth recordings well, however. |
| [02:36:42] | a1fa_: | yzf600 the slow kind |
| [02:36:42] | mchou: | netflix for everything else? :) |
| [02:37:20] | JpSSgtRock: | Does anyone have any experience with iMON Remotes and lirc 0.8.4a? |
| [02:37:26] | [yzf600]: | yea – xbmc is slow. I downloaded the latest SVN to try it. It works better, but video is still kinda jumpy |
| [02:37:40] | JpSSgtRock: | For some reason, I can't seem to get /dev/lirc0 created. |
| [02:37:56] | [yzf600]: | also the mythbox script for xbmc prevented one of my scheduled recordings from occuring tonight |
| [02:38:50] | a1fa_: | no :) |
| [02:38:55] | a1fa_: | i am talking about YZF600 |
| [02:38:57] | hadees: | [yzf600], well i think the dream is to use mythtv's internal player if i could |
| [02:38:57] | a1fa_: | its slow ;P |
| [02:39:03] | a1fa_: | no torque :) |
| [02:39:28] | [yzf600]: | hadees: that is what I think I might be forced to do as well |
| [02:40:01] | [yzf600]: | couse my mythtv-frontend has the slow program guide when watching live tv issue |
| [02:40:13] | a1fa_: | thats normal |
| [02:40:14] | a1fa_: | :) |
| [02:40:29] | JpSSgtRock: | cat /proc/bus/input/devices shows no driver is loaded for the device. |
| [02:40:55] | [yzf600]: | slow as in it takes 20–40 seconds for a up button press to occur? |
| [02:41:05] | JpSSgtRock: | lsmod reports it to be 0x15c2:0x0038, which I think is the newest version. |
| [02:41:22] | [yzf600]: | I hope that isn't normal |
| [02:42:03] | hadees: | the only nice thing is i think python is easier to code in then c |
| [02:42:18] | [yzf600]: | I saw some posts about it in the middle of last year. It seems some patch was required. I would suspect my binary has the patch (using mythtv from ubuntu 8.10) |
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| [02:42:51] | hadees: | and specifically qt but i haven't tried doing it since mythtv convert to more of an internal api |
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| [03:05:51] | clever: | -rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 4.3G 2009-02–25 23:02 /media/videos/1tb/myth/6063_20090225222900.nuv |
| [03:05:59] | clever: | yay for framegrabbers and pure static!! |
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| [03:24:33] | k-man: | do you think it would be possible to solder an HDMI cable connector onto a wire after running down a narrow conduit? |
| [03:24:40] | k-man: | or is hdmi just too small and fiddly? |
| [03:25:20] | iamlindoro: | It will be very very difficult to do (although nothing is impossible) |
| [03:25:32] | iamlindoro: | 20ish contacts, and you can't get any wrong |
| [03:25:40] | k-man: | yeah |
| [03:25:44] | k-man: | and its pretty darn small |
| [03:26:33] | iamlindoro: | Allegedly someone has a field-solderable HDMI cable coming out soon, but it may be expensive and don't believe it's out just yet |
| [03:26:34] | k-man: | if you can even buy the connectors |
| [03:26:45] | k-man: | oh, thats interesting |
| [03:27:04] | iamlindoro: | I presumed you meant taking an existing cable and cutting off the connector and then repairing it at the end |
| [03:27:22] | mzb_d800: | 20 doesn't sound too bad ;) |
| [03:27:42] | k-man: | iamlindoro: well – dunno, anything |
| [03:27:59] | k-man: | my friend has a conduit already run, but its too narrow for the hdmi plug |
| [03:28:04] | k-man: | which is very annoying |
| [03:28:40] | iamlindoro: | I would run a couple Cat6 cables and use baluns |
| [03:28:54] | k-man: | explain |
| [03:29:03] | iamlindoro: | erm... think I just did |
| [03:29:12] | iamlindoro: | you run two cat6 cables and use baluns at either end for HDMI |
| [03:29:24] | k-man: | what is a ballun? |
| [03:29:31] | iamlindoro: | one l, google |
| [03:30:17] | k-man: | you think that would work? |
| [03:30:38] | iamlindoro: | Why wouldn't it, there are dozens of people making them, they're not all hucksters |
| [03:30:55] | k-man: | oh, i had no idea – thanks for the idea ill investigate further iamlindoro |
| [03:31:00] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [03:31:26] | k-man: | were you suggestion buying balluns off the shelf? |
| [03:31:34] | iamlindoro: | one l |
| [03:31:35] | iamlindoro: | one l |
| [03:31:36] | iamlindoro: | one l |
| [03:31:40] | k-man: | sorry |
| [03:31:55] | iamlindoro: | if you can find them on someone's shelf, buy them |
| [03:32:03] | iamlindoro: | otherwise, there are many many places to buy online |
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| [03:37:19] | k-man: | thanks iamlindoro |
| [03:38:19] | iamlindoro: | np |
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| [04:05:05] | netrix-: | how do a i put a backspace in my lircrc? config = ? |
| [04:05:19] | high-rez: | I'd like to setup an additional (slave) backend to my pre-existing setup. |
| [04:05:46] | high-rez: | as far as I understand: the SQL server exists on the master still, but the storage is local to the slave right ? |
| [04:06:50] | Dagmar: | You're working from a flawed model |
| [04:06:52] | Dagmar: | One moment. |
| [04:07:19] | Dagmar: | Read this, look at the pretty picture </snark> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview |
| [04:08:19] | k-man: | are there any RF remotes that work well with mythtv and LIRC? |
| [04:09:06] | Dagmar: | How does "none" strike you |
| [04:09:24] | iamlindoro: | The snapstream firefly adn the ATI remote wonder are both RF and both work with LIRC |
| [04:09:28] | Dagmar: | "Linux Infra Red Control" is a strong hint. |
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| [04:09:45] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: He can read and find that bit out |
| [04:09:52] | high-rez: | Dagmar: So how do I designate one as the master and another as a slave ? |
| [04:10:06] | iamlindoro: | yes, he can, but denying their existence is counterproductive |
| [04:10:22] | mzb_d800: | I have serial, streamzap and dvico remotes all working nicely ... each use a different method and have different strengths |
| [04:11:25] | Dagmar: | high-rez: You tell them they're slaves |
| [04:11:42] | mzb_d800: | the master has it's own IP as "master", the slave has the master IP as "master" |
| [04:12:19] | high-rez: | Hmm, ok. That all seems to be automagically filled in correct in general settings. |
| [04:13:20] | Dagmar: | like from http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Detail . . . tion_Backend |
| [04:13:55] | high-rez: | The recording on each backend end up being stored on that backend though, correct? |
| [04:14:14] | Dagmar: | Yeah, because it's sort of a non-issue for the backends. |
| [04:14:26] | Dagmar: | The backends don't write to a fileshare, they write to a part of the file system. |
| [04:14:40] | Dagmar: | They have no idea where those files are actually going, nor should they care because that's the way Unix works. |
| [04:14:58] | Dagmar: | It could be writing to an NFS mount in your neighbor's house |
| [04:15:16] | high-rez: | So the storage directories on the slave should actually be nfs mounts? |
| [04:15:26] | Dagmar: | s/should/could/; |
| [04:15:26] | high-rez: | (nfs mounts onto the master) |
| [04:15:30] | Dagmar: | It's a matter of what you've got in mind overall |
| [04:16:08] | Dagmar: | ...although generally you want to have ONE (count 'em) ONE directory off your / where all your storage lives, and then do your best to make sure that directory looks the same on all machines involved |
| [04:16:11] | high-rez: | I'd rather stream from the backend than over nfs. I'm being pretty bad with my setup (e.g. my slave backend is connected over 802.11 – I know this is bad) |
| [04:16:15] | Dagmar: | Like /storage |
| [04:16:35] | high-rez: | right, i'm using /mnt/store |
| [04:16:36] | Dagmar: | NFS is not the steaming pile of shit you may have been led to believe |
| [04:16:47] | Dagmar: | It's merely user-malicious |
| [04:17:08] | high-rez: | It's properly craptastic, I'll give it that. :) |
| [04:17:46] | Dagmar: | Nah, when you have the same uid list everywhere it works fine |
| [04:18:02] | Dagmar: | It just doesn't tolerate broken network links any better than your machine tolerates having a hard disk yanked out |
| [04:18:28] | high-rez: | infact, my machine has an lsi raid card and doesn't blink when a hard drive is yanked. :) |
| [04:18:44] | high-rez: | but i get your point |
| [04:18:56] | Dagmar: | Yeah it was designed to do that tho |
| [04:19:07] | Dagmar: | NFS provides no fallback mechanisms |
| [04:24:21] | netrix-: | what is the correct way to send backspace in lircrc? have tried config = Backspace/Delete/Del \010 and \x8 |
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| [04:26:01] | netrix-: | that was dumb, had my irc messed up there. |
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| [04:28:01] | Dagmar: | It um, doesn't quite work like that |
| [04:28:13] | Dagmar: | LIRC doesn't send keystrokes per se |
| [04:29:18] | Dagmar: | The value of config= has to be something that matches an array in what the recieveing program is looking for |
| [04:29:46] | Dagmar: | ...it's why you get things like "config = EventPrior" and there being no "EventPrior" button |
| [04:31:00] | Dagmar: | http://www.lirc.org/html/configure.html |
| [04:31:33] | Dagmar: | A little over halfway down it explains that you're sending whole strings to the program |
| [04:31:33] | iamlindoro: | you are talking to yourself |
| [04:31:38] | Dagmar: | Ah well |
| [04:32:06] | Dagmar: | It beats being flooded with join/parts |
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| [04:46:02] | k-man: | something i don't understand is why mythtv doesn't have functional names for things, so in Lirc, you could specify config=Pause for example |
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| [04:49:14] | mzb_d800: | It's not up to myth afaik, it's up to X keysyms |
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| [04:52:07] | k-man: | mzb_d800: no, i don't think so – i worked with a different bit of software once, and that was able to do it |
| [04:52:34] | k-man: | mzb_d800: oh – maybe it is something to do with X |
| [04:52:36] | k-man: | i have no idea |
| [04:53:20] | mzb_d800: | eg: if you set a button to "Print", and then assign that button in the remote setup, it will tell you that you've pressed "Print".... these are keysyms, not "magic codes pulled out of the air" ;) |
| [04:53:44] | mzb_d800: | ie: they are not arbitrary names |
| [04:54:11] | k-man: | mzb_d800: and there are no keysyms that mythtv could use? |
| [04:54:24] | mzb_d800: | why not? |
| [04:54:44] | mzb_d800: | try F16, F17, etc ... you'll see |
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| [04:58:42] | Dagmar: | Important distinction: Keysyms are interpreted by X |
| [04:59:42] | high-rez: | i'm going to have to figure out a better solution for connecting the master and slave. 802.11 isn't a very good solution :( |
| [05:03:32] | kormoc: | 802.11[abgn]? |
| [05:03:46] | wagnerrp: | pretty much |
| [05:03:56] | wagnerrp: | n is probably sufficient |
| [05:04:11] | wagnerrp: | g is probably sufficient for standard definition |
| [05:04:11] | kormoc: | I'm hoping it is, as that's what I'm gonna be using in a month or two :) |
| [05:04:26] | mzb_d800: | if you're not pushing that through a 1m stone wall ;) |
| [05:05:25] | iamlindoro: | I had n working pretty well here for a bit, but it probably helped that I was running in 5 Ghz only mode and it's a less crowded space |
| [05:05:40] | iamlindoro: | and only to one or two clients at a time |
| [05:05:48] | kormoc: | I'm shooting for around 30 foot |
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| [05:06:13] | kormoc: | and only one myth client, and one ipod client |
| [05:06:35] | kormoc: | and perhaps a laptop client someday, but the ipod/laptop will be fairly low bandwidth most of the time |
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| [05:07:49] | wagnerrp: | the touch doesnt do N does it? |
| [05:08:05] | kormoc: | nah, G, but the card I have does G and N |
| [05:10:04] | kormoc: | http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=531 |
| [05:10:11] | kormoc: | assuming the drivers support that I guess |
| [05:10:26] | kormoc: | worse comes to worse, it's easy to add another base-station endpoint |
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| [05:12:09] | mzb_d800: | you mean WDS? |
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| [05:12:27] | mzb_d800: | you will get less bandwidth |
| [05:12:31] | kormoc: | wds? |
| [05:12:42] | mzb_d800: | Wireless Distribution System (iirc) |
| [05:12:44] | kormoc: | ahh |
| [05:12:53] | kormoc: | I donno, I just know the card supports it |
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| [05:13:08] | mzb_d800: | you basically have two routers, one as the master |
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| [05:13:23] | mzb_d800: | gives you the ability to have a larger roaming area (I think) |
| [05:13:30] | kormoc: | ahh, nah, the N network will be between two of the cards, one master, one slave |
| [05:13:34] | mzb_d800: | but you end up with less overall bandwidth |
| [05:13:45] | kormoc: | the other router endpoint will be a entirely different network off of the server |
| [05:14:21] | mzb_d800: | heh: doesn't N use all the channels? If so, same problem (bandwidth) |
| [05:14:36] | kormoc: | Does it? I thought it only used like 3 or something |
| [05:14:43] | mzb_d800: | could be |
| [05:14:57] | wagnerrp: | on the 2.4GHz bands, i dont know |
| [05:15:10] | mzb_d800: | so you'd have (say) router1 on channel 3, and router2 on channel 9 |
| [05:15:11] | wagnerrp: | but the 5GHz bands have FAR FAR more bandwidth available |
| [05:15:12] | mzb_d800: | ? |
| [05:15:19] | wagnerrp: | the channels are all non-overlapping |
| [05:15:35] | mzb_d800: | that's not how wifi works |
| [05:15:45] | kormoc: | couldn't the G network be on 2.4 ghz and the N on 5 ghz and not have any issues at all? |
| [05:15:55] | justinh: | not using the band poor people use could help a lot :D |
| [05:16:02] | mzb_d800: | :) |
| [05:16:26] | mzb_d800: | isn't 5GHz == .11a ? |
| [05:16:33] | wagnerrp: | and n |
| [05:16:39] | wagnerrp: | n can run at both frequencies |
| [05:16:43] | mzb_d800: | ok |
| [05:16:47] | justinh: | no idea, I fall asleep whenever anybody mentions wireless specs |
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| [05:17:17] | wagnerrp: | anyway, 2.4 bands have a 5MHz separation, 5GHz bands have a 20MHz separation |
| [05:17:27] | kormoc: | "The current state of the art supports a PHY rate of 300 Mbit/s, with the use of 2 spatial streams at a channel width of 40 MHz" |
| [05:17:29] | wagnerrp: | so there is no need to skip channels |
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| [05:17:43] | kormoc: | ABG use a 20 MHz channel width |
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| [05:18:03] | kormoc: | so that would say it's using the equivalent of 4 channels it would seem |
| [05:18:23] | kormoc: | assuming non-overlapping, that I don't know |
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| [05:19:13] | wagnerrp: | right, 10MHz, or two channels in either direction |
| [05:19:28] | wagnerrp: | which is why you can only do 1, 6, and 11 at full speed |
| [05:19:41] | wagnerrp: | although it would seem N could only operate a singular network at full speed |
| [05:20:13] | wagnerrp: | in the 2.4GHz band anyway |
| [05:21:08] | wagnerrp: | depends on how far youre allowed to run outside those channels i guess |
| [05:21:16] | mzb_d800: | You do get "overlap". Thinking of wifi as (completely) discrete channels is probably not the best way. |
| [05:21:50] | wagnerrp: | its a broadcast transmission, they must run on separate channels |
| [05:22:04] | mzb_d800: | talk to mbd in #openwrt, he can explain it |
| [05:22:11] | wagnerrp: | otherwise, its like ghosting on analog tv |
| [05:22:16] | mzb_d800: | uhuh |
| [05:22:36] | wagnerrp: | or collisions on a network hub |
| [05:22:44] | mzb_d800: | yep |
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| [05:23:08] | mzb_d800: | but you're not taking into account all the other variables. eg: like distance, signal strength, etc |
| [05:23:18] | mzb_d800: | (surrounding interference) |
| [05:23:25] | mzb_d800: | different kettle of fish |
| [05:23:53] | mzb_d800: | ie: it's not like citizen band ;) |
| [05:23:55] | wagnerrp: | i realize two networks can run on the same channel if theyre some distance away |
| [05:24:23] | wagnerrp: | but considering you can pick up networks from a mile away under the right conditions... |
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| [05:24:41] | mzb_d800: | best I've heard of is 34km |
| [05:24:50] | mzb_d800: | (illegally boosted ;) |
| [05:24:54] | clever: | ive picked up the odd packet from channel 5/7 when the card was tuned to 6 |
| [05:24:59] | clever: | there is some overlap |
| [05:25:16] | scotland60b: | anybody here have any experience with pchdtv 5500? |
| [05:25:18] | justinh: | I thought the record was way more than that |
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| [05:25:35] | mzb_d800: | yeah, I'm just saying Ive "seen" 34km |
| [05:25:39] | clever: | mzb_d800: i recently read about miliwatt level signals that could be picked up across the world |
| [05:25:43] | wagnerrp: | justinh: i know its far more than that. that record may be omnidirectional |
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| [05:25:47] | mzb_d800: | afaik, it's still in use |
| [05:25:47] | clever: | when done at very narrow bandwidths |
| [05:25:54] | wagnerrp: | or at least an onmidirectional base |
| [05:26:16] | mzb_d800: | both at each end |
| [05:26:16] | kormoc: | erm |
| [05:26:26] | mzb_d800: | omni/uni? |
| [05:26:35] | ** mzb_d800 needs beer ** | |
| [05:27:01] | kormoc: | Very wide bandwidths are the ones that do deep penetration, not very narrow. Very narrow is high energy but low penetration. It's why submarines use VLF (Very Low Frequency) |
| [05:27:03] | clever: | mzb_d800: http://hackaday.com/2009/02/22/qrss-radio-ama . . . -narrowband/ |
| [05:27:04] | justinh: | no point boosting the power at only one end :P |
| [05:27:31] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: thats completely wrong (wording) |
| [05:27:32] | mzb_d800: | there can be, but I never saw the other end of it |
| [05:27:49] | wagnerrp: | bandwidth is how wide a range of frequencies you use |
| [05:28:05] | kormoc: | isn't the width of the frequency between peaks? and there for low frequency is very wide? |
| [05:28:09] | high-rez: | so, both my master and slave backend are pointing at the same source – thus the same channel numbers. Should i be using the master's video sources or create new sources? I created new sources and I couldn't tune to any of them. |
| [05:28:11] | wagnerrp: | rather deep penetration is a propery of very larger wavelengths |
| [05:28:19] | wagnerrp: | wavelength is the distance between peeks |
| [05:28:23] | kormoc: | aye |
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| [05:28:30] | wagnerrp: | bandwidth is the range of frequencies you operate on |
| [05:28:32] | kormoc: | that's what I'm saying |
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| [05:28:53] | mzb_d800: | clever: aye, Dad's an amateur (VK7) |
| [05:28:57] | kormoc: | I ment wavelengths |
| [05:28:59] | kormoc: | I'm drunk |
| [05:29:05] | clever: | mzb_d800: my grandfather is too |
| [05:29:06] | ** high-rez attenuates the deep conversation with simplistic questions ** | |
| [05:29:12] | wagnerrp: | the only problem is that VLF antenna have wavelengths (and antenna) on the order of miles |
| [05:29:22] | clever: | ive also seen a java applet based radio online |
| [05:29:34] | kormoc: | but it makes no sense that 10 mhz is considered narrow frequencies |
| [05:29:42] | clever: | the tuning is done in software, so it can have multiple listeners on diff channels |
| [05:29:50] | mzb_d800: | uses GPRS + HF (etc) for long distances (has a motorised antenna on the back of his 4WD) |
| [05:30:13] | justinh: | 10mhz is not much more than an analogue tv channel |
| [05:30:26] | clever: | my grandfather recently got a pace maker and is paranoid about the effect of the radios |
| [05:30:36] | mzb_d800: | heh, don't blame him ;) |
| [05:30:40] | clever: | so he lined the entire radio room with tin foil to make it a faraday cage |
| [05:30:45] | clever: | and out the major amp outside |
| [05:30:46] | mzb_d800: | hehehehe |
| [05:31:01] | clever: | so he is sealed inside a low noise room |
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| [05:31:07] | wagnerrp: | why not just use chicken wire |
| [05:31:12] | wagnerrp: | seems like it would be easier |
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| [05:31:20] | mzb_d800: | I could believe LEAD, not sure how much effect foil would have ;) |
| [05:31:21] | justinh: | rofl |
| [05:31:21] | high-rez: | wtf, why am i watching commercials. |
| [05:31:37] | cesman: | because you can |
| [05:31:38] | clever: | high-rez: i do that sometimes too, i forget i can skip them |
| [05:31:46] | justinh: | easier these days just to wear our tinfoil hats |
| [05:32:01] | clever: | justinh: that wont protect the pacemaker in the chest |
| [05:32:07] | clever: | youll need a tin foil shirt for that |
| [05:32:12] | wagnerrp: | mzb_d800: check out a faraday cage, its a function of conducting the radio frequency around the box |
| [05:32:25] | mzb_d800: | high-rez: and then when you get used to it and watch TV at someone else's house you'll be wondering why nobody's picked up the remote to skip ;) |
| [05:32:49] | clever: | mzb_d800: i sometimes hit the skip key on the mythtv control and wonder why it isnt working |
| [05:32:56] | mzb_d800: | heh |
| [05:32:59] | clever: | takes me 2mins to track the problem down:P |
| [05:33:03] | wagnerrp: | we still watch livetv... so the remote is used for the 'mute' |
| [05:33:04] | clever: | wtf, 0% cpu usage |
| [05:33:08] | clever: | i didnt get a vdpau card! |
| [05:33:20] | justinh: | I went to pick up the remote last time I went to the cinema ffs |
| [05:33:27] | clever: | lol |
| [05:33:51] | justinh: | ads you _cannot_ skip :p |
| [05:33:58] | mzb_d800: | yeah, had a weird problem the other day (running asterisk pbx) ... got funny beeping noise when making a call. After logging into the pbx to find out wtf.... it turned out it was an engaged signal ... oops! ;) |
| [05:33:59] | clever: | http://hackaday.com/2009/02/25/sheevaplug-tiny-linux-server/ |
| [05:34:08] | clever: | might that thing be able to handle mythtv and SD tv?! |
| [05:34:21] | clever: | its allmost got the same power as my current frontend |
| [05:34:26] | mzb_d800: | I must be getting too lazy all around |
| [05:34:35] | justinh: | I hate watching TV in other people's houses. spoke to my parents last night & my mother was on about some ad or other being cute |
| [05:34:48] | mzb_d800: | heh, yup |
| [05:34:49] | justinh: | I asked what it was for so I could go & see if it was on youtube |
| [05:34:51] | wagnerrp: | clever: im sure that processor can do far less per clock than your P3 |
| [05:35:00] | clever: | wagnerrp: its a 1.2ghz ARM cpu |
| [05:35:20] | clever: | my 400mhz P2 can handle SDTV |
| [05:35:42] | justinh: | if this PVR thing catches on, product placement & sponsorship is going to be intrusive. I can't imagine what would be worse |
| [05:36:01] | clever: | wagnerrp: the only problem i can see is compiling mythtv on the arm cpu |
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| [05:36:18] | wagnerrp: | yeah, the ASM code could be a problem |
| [05:36:48] | clever: | all the asm in the decoder should have a fallback #else clause to let it atleast half work on other CPU's |
| [05:37:12] | clever: | plain c/c++ |
| [05:37:21] | wagnerrp: | do those old via chips support mmx/sse? |
| [05:37:26] | kormoc: | it's easy to say it should when you're not the one doing the work... |
| [05:37:29] | justinh: | wagnerrp: bits & bobs |
| [05:37:30] | clever: | if you go back far enough in the revision logs you may find a pre-mmx version |
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| [06:04:14] | k-man: | can you get a PCI video card capable of VDPAU? |
| [06:05:50] | cesman: | you who? |
| [06:05:59] | wagnerrp: | i can |
| [06:06:09] | ** cesman can as well ** | |
| [06:06:13] | cesman: | and has |
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| [06:07:43] | k-man: | i mean – does such a beast exist? |
| [06:07:57] | iamlindoro: | "cesman> and has" |
| [06:07:59] | ** wagnerrp has PCI VDPOW ** | |
| [06:08:02] | iamlindoro: | so what do you think? |
| [06:08:12] | k-man: | cesman: what make/model is it? |
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| [06:16:22] | cesman: | k-man: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814187042 |
| [06:17:02] | cesman: | iamlindoro: works great! I patched -fixes and had it on display at SCALE this past weekend |
| [06:18:31] | k-man: | did newegg just go down? |
| [06:18:43] | k-man: | i was just browsing it right before you pasted that link to me – then it stopped |
| [06:19:03] | cesman: | not here |
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| [06:20:23] | wagnerrp: | SCALE? |
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| [06:25:26] | cesman: | wagnerrp: http://scale7x.socallinuxexpo.org/ |
| [06:25:43] | cesman: | http://scale7x.socallinuxexpo.org/dotorg/linux-hes |
| [06:26:10] | iamlindoro: | cesman, Heh, I meant what do you think to whether such a beast exists |
| [06:26:13] | iamlindoro: | it was rhetorical |
| [06:27:47] | cesman: | lol! |
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| [06:32:10] | JohnQ: | Anyone using a HDHomerun? I recorded a few shows with mine, and they are all just black. The strange thing is that the little thumbnail-preview works fine, so I know the data is there... |
| [06:34:10] | cesman: | JohnQ: investigate your logs |
| [06:34:21] | cesman: | you may have something in /var/log/mythtv |
| [06:34:28] | cesman: | else, start the frontend in an xterm |
| [06:34:41] | cesman: | when it fails, <alt><tab> to xterm to see output |
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| [06:37:14] | JohnQ: | indeed... very mighty logspam |
| [06:39:02] | JohnQ: | http://pastebin.ca/1347549 |
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| [06:41:17] | cesman: | Do you have a video card that supports XvMC? |
| [06:41:44] | cesman: | looks like you need to disable the use of XvMC |
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| [06:43:14] | JohnQ: | Thats a good question. I'll go read up on that for a bit. thanks for pointing me in the right way |
| [06:43:24] | cesman: | you're welcome |
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| [07:11:23] | JohnQ: | According to the toobz my GeForce 6150 should support XvMC. I'm trying to download a new driver from nvidia now, but this seems odd. |
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| [07:17:19] | cesman: | if you have enough CPU horsepower, you don't need XvMC |
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| [07:17:27] | justinh: | xvmc is er... well.. not really worth the hassle |
| [07:18:12] | justinh: | the disadvantages it has outweigh most of the benefits IMHO |
| [07:18:20] | cesman: | justinh: I'd say that was the case when first introduced however it works a lot better |
| [07:18:44] | justinh: | still monochrome OSD though, yes? |
| [07:18:53] | cesman: | yes |
| [07:19:20] | justinh: | then again, I could hack my epia to have a colour OSD but it didn |
| [07:19:30] | justinh: | duh. didn't have any transparency |
| [07:19:33] | justinh: | yucky :) |
| [07:19:49] | JohnQ: | Ya, driver didn't help |
| [07:20:06] | JohnQ: | It did get rid of my nvidia spash screen on startup though :-) |
| [07:20:09] | JohnQ: | splash |
| [07:20:39] | cesman: | you also need to have XvMC wrapper |
| [07:23:03] | cesman: | which should point to the appropriate version of XvMC (nvidia vs via for instance) |
| [07:23:14] | cesman: | again, if you have enough CPU, you don't need XvMC |
| [07:23:24] | cesman: | just change your profile to not use it |
| [07:23:34] | ** cesman thinks it is bed time ** | |
| [07:24:32] | sulx: | xvmc even looks bad :I |
| [07:24:41] | JohnQ: | if/when I give up... where do I disable it? |
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| [07:30:29] | cesman: | Utils/Setup > Setup > Tv Settings > Playback |
| [07:30:33] | cesman: | 3rd page |
| [07:30:40] | cesman: | with that |
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| [07:31:17] | JohnQ: | thanks again |
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| [07:47:05] | JohnQ: | Using the "High Quality" profile seems to have fixed it. I guess I dont need XvMC :-) |
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| [07:56:16] | Dibblah: | Trac needs regex support. |
| [07:56:48] | kormoc: | to do what? |
| [07:57:22] | Dibblah: | if /I can confirm|Very annoying|let me know if I|logs if required/ (drop comment) |
| [07:59:51] | clever: | trac stores comments in sqlite |
| [07:59:59] | clever: | and the api lets you add your own functions |
| [08:00:16] | kormoc: | Dibblah, have raw sqlite access? |
| [08:00:24] | clever: | so you could delete from comments where regex('/I can confirm|Very annoying|let me know if I|logs if required/',text); |
| [08:01:16] | Dibblah: | I wasn't being serious. And it's not even properly formed regex ;) |
| [08:01:22] | kormoc: | heh |
| [08:01:31] | clever: | i think your missing the () for | to work |
| [08:02:56] | clever: | 99% Completed2 @ 17.7453 fps, 10.4253 seconds remaining. |
| [08:03:15] | clever: | my patches to mythtranscode/commflag havent caused any spontanious segfaulting |
| [08:03:25] | clever: | and seem pretty acurate |
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| [08:48:40] | wagnerrp: | looks like futurama may be coming back to tv |
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| [09:06:03] | waxhead: | evening all |
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| [10:59:45] | gbee: | the register has a review of a 1.8" external drive, picture which appears alongside the review states that the real thing is "not much bigger" |
| [10:59:48] | gbee: | it's huge |
| [11:00:47] | gbee: | I have a 2.5" external drive which is not much bigger than the image, a bare 2.5" drive is smaller than the image |
| [11:03:32] | gbee: | heh, just measured my 2.5" external drive against the dimensions given for this 1.8" ... it's wider and longer, only ~4mm deeper at the widest point too |
| [11:04:03] | gbee: | that is the 1.8" is bigger in the two main dimensions ... wtf? |
| [11:06:17] | ivor: | bored.... |
| [11:06:35] | gbee: | ahh, oops, missed the decimal point ... umm |
| [11:06:39] | ** gbee shuts up ** | |
| [11:06:53] | gbee: | ivor: can you tell I'm bored? |
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| [11:07:15] | ivor: | are you? I'm bored..... |
| [11:07:27] | dark_ai: | hi |
| [11:07:40] | dark_ai: | when you run mplayer via mythfrontend, it does not respond to pressing the keys!! why? |
| [11:07:56] | ivor: | keyboard keys? |
| [11:08:01] | ivor: | window manager focus problem. |
| [11:08:50] | gbee: | lack of lirc config for mplayer |
| [11:08:55] | dark_ai: | i I don't use a window manager |
| [11:09:03] | gbee: | use of mplayer to begin with |
| [11:09:14] | gbee: | and there we have it ladies and gentlemen |
| [11:09:18] | gbee: | do don't use mplayer |
| [11:09:22] | gbee: | so |
| [11:09:37] | gbee: | if you use mplayer you need a window manager |
| [11:09:52] | gbee: | or xine, or any other external player |
| [11:10:05] | ivor: | or indeed a correctly configured lirc |
| [11:10:38] | dark_ai: | i use keyboard |
| [11:10:52] | Shadow__X: | i use keyboard too |
| [11:11:05] | ivor: | in that case you have a window manager focus issue |
| [11:11:13] | gbee: | right, if you must use mplayer/xine/vlc instead of the internal player (why!?) then you need a window manager |
| [11:11:25] | ivor: | the invoice is in the post. |
| [11:12:23] | gbee: | yes, no, maybe? – http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/filmstrip_menu.png |
| [11:13:01] | ivor: | nice. (imho) |
| [11:13:09] | dark_ai: | What window manager do you advise? |
| [11:13:33] | Shadow__X: | gbee, nice i like it |
| [11:16:16] | ivor: | dark_ai: a lot of people swear by ratpoison. personally I don't use a wm though so I can't recommend one for myth. |
| [11:16:23] | gbee: | ok, well that's a relief, two screens down, fifty more to go |
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| [11:17:11] | Shadow__X: | yay |
| [11:17:41] | gbee: | can't just give up on Terra though, so ... |
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| [11:21:06] | ivor: | <pointless rambling> vagulely pondered what about an interface for myth that's more "video based" |
| [11:21:31] | ivor: | i.e. you turn it on and it jumps straight to livetv and all menus overlay.... |
| [11:21:56] | ivor: | or you startup and you have thumbnails of the latest recordings playing to browse over |
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| [11:30:48] | gbee: | in many ways that's possible now, or at least when we have the video widgets and OSD renderers for mythui |
| [11:32:33] | gbee: | we're definately moving in a direction where those things become possible and where the UI is flexible enough that I expect to see radically different UIs |
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| [11:33:16] | Shadow__X: | fantastic |
| [11:33:48] | gbee: | what I'm toying with for this new theme is including a menu theme, almost no-one has created new menu themes – we've offered the same 3 choices for years |
| [11:34:16] | Shadow__X: | lol dont fix what isnt broken gbee |
| [11:34:25] | ivor: | gbee: will be interesting to see |
| [11:34:25] | gbee: | I'm not saying any of the video/osd stuff will necessarily be complete for 0.22 |
| [11:34:46] | ivor: | gbee: have to try and find time to start tinkering again. :/ |
| [11:34:47] | Shadow__X: | .22 will be a huge improvement will it not? |
| [11:34:55] | ivor: | just too little time. |
| [11:35:15] | gbee: | Shadow__X: current menu themes try to be all things to all people, if I do create a menu theme to go with the UI theme, then it will sacrifice some things which IMHO are little used |
| [11:36:06] | Shadow__X: | gbee, right also seems like it will have more of a tailored feel and overall more useful right |
| [11:36:53] | Dibblah: | gbee: Opinions of 'hangers on' in #mythtv-dev? |
| [11:36:58] | Dibblah: | ie non-devs... |
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| [11:37:56] | gbee: | so long as they stay on-topic/keep quiet, why not? |
| [11:38:34] | gbee: | #mythtv-dev isn't going to be any different to #mythtv IMHO |
| [11:38:59] | Dibblah: | Okay. Just asking if it's OK to idle in there... |
| [11:39:36] | gbee: | it's not an exclusive club house for the devs, if we wanted a private channel then we'd make it invite only |
| [11:40:00] | ivor: | dont see any reason why not. I thought the idea was just to remove the "how do i install X, oh this isnt' the right channel, oh why the hell dont you have this as the users channel" interactions. |
| [11:40:03] | Dibblah: | Yeah, like the real dev list. ;) |
| [11:40:24] | Dibblah: | Oops. Forgot the first rule. |
| [11:40:44] | ivor: | what you don't know about the "secret" dev room? |
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| [11:40:58] | gbee: | intention isn't to exclude anyone from getting involved in development, just to keep things on topic and maybe avoid random opinions from people who aren't doing any of the work ;) |
| [11:41:19] | ** ivor shuts up. ** | |
| [11:41:24] | ivor: | :) |
| [11:41:29] | Dibblah: | Shhh! The first rule of ##fluffy-bunny-rabbits is to not talk about ##fluffy-bunny-rabbits! |
| [11:41:39] | ivor: | DOH! |
| [11:42:26] | gbee: | ivor: heh, well a number of non-devs and infrequently contributing devs have still earnt their right to an opinion |
| [11:43:07] | gbee: | I'm thinking of the 'well I'm not a programmer and I've only been using mythtv for three days, but I think you should do that another way' |
| [11:43:40] | GreyFoxx: | and Ive not yet looked at the code but my way is better |
| [11:43:44] | GreyFoxx: | :) |
| [11:43:55] | gbee: | maybe I'm the only one who finds that stuff irritating |
| [11:44:13] | GreyFoxx: | Certainly not theonly one :) |
| [11:44:22] | Dibblah: | Urgle. http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/6099/gdb-output.txt |
| [11:44:51] | Dibblah: | ... might be a bug in mythstream? |
| [11:47:33] | gbee: | since mythstream is unofficial I'd have to say that they need to reproduce without mythstream installed for it to be a valid bug |
| [11:48:53] | Dibblah: | That'll be what I put in the ticket. |
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| [11:51:34] | Dibblah: | on 0.21-fixes, the preview generator is still spawned, isn't it? |
| [11:51:44] | Dibblah: | ie it's a separate process. |
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| [11:55:21] | gbee: | yes |
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| [11:58:41] | justinh: | oh dear. backend isn't very well today. syslog is full of OOM messages & crud |
| [12:01:20] | gbee: | second backtrace (actually several backtraces in there) from #5217 are all in the main backend process |
| [12:06:20] | Dibblah: | You're right. It's in main :( |
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| [12:07:13] | gbee: | all the non-preview gen threads etc |
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| [12:15:09] | ** Dibblah must spend some time figuring out how he's getting corrupt recordings with 0 BER/UNC :( ** | |
| [12:15:34] | gbee: | card reporting those figures accurately? |
| [12:15:41] | Dibblah: | Appears to be. |
| [12:15:48] | Dibblah: | 3 cards, doesn't happen all the time. |
| [12:16:11] | Dibblah: | Could be CAM related, so it's a little complex to debug :( |
| [12:16:34] | gbee: | or sporadic interference from a nearby device? |
| [12:16:51] | Dibblah: | Unlikely, given the location / signal source. |
| [12:17:30] | Dibblah: | And the fact that BER / UNC does increase when I do something nasty to the cable. |
| [12:17:34] | gbee: | e.g. "I go away to microwave my meal and come back to find the recording is corrupted for some reason" |
| [12:18:18] | Dibblah: | I'd love to blame the mobile phone mast across the road, but I know what the inverse squared rule means :( |
| [12:18:31] | Dibblah: | And again, UNC / BER of 0. |
| [12:20:27] | Dibblah: | Hmm. We didn't have a commit 20,000 party :( |
| [12:21:09] | Dibblah: | A mythui port commit. How appropriate :) |
| [12:21:23] | gbee: | weren't you invi ... er, no, no we didn't |
| [12:21:29] | Dibblah: | Heh. |
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| [12:36:19] | jduggan: | lol |
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| [12:57:38] | justinh: | not very impressed with this recent installation at all. it's very flaky :( |
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| [13:02:55] | Dibblah: | Trunk or...? |
| [13:12:06] | laga: | he's gone, jim |
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| [13:12:39] | justinh: | arghhh fscking grubnutsu |
| [13:16:30] | justinh: | looks like firefoxwas eating memory like it was going out of fashion |
| [13:16:57] | justinh: | jees. ran out of swap! |
| [13:17:10] | justinh: | Feb 26 10:56:18 mythbackend kernel: [1628109.645081] Free swap = 0kB |
| [13:17:12] | justinh: | Feb 26 10:56:18 mythbackend kernel: [1628109.645083] Total swap = 1502036kB |
| [13:17:54] | ivor: | guess you've got a bug there then somewhere. :) |
| [13:18:11] | ivor: | or you're making your theme buttons waaaay too big. |
| [13:18:30] | justinh: | so the kernel was going round killing processes like firefox & mysqld :-\ |
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| [13:18:57] | justinh: | ivor: not making anything theme related |
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| [13:25:45] | mzb_d800: | hmm, online retail therapy == X2 4400 939 for au$100 |
| [13:25:55] | mzb_d800: | s/retail/ebay ;) |
| [13:26:04] | mzb_d800: | (let's hope it works;) |
| [13:26:47] | justinh: | might've been freenx leaving bits of itself lying around all over |
| [13:27:37] | justinh: | if it keeps this up, might just go & buy a PVR box again. I'm sick to the back teeth of this crap |
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| [13:31:45] | mzb_d800: | evaporating swap doesn't sound good |
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| [13:33:23] | mzb_d800: | Dibblah: checked your dish cable? |
| [13:33:38] | Dibblah: | It's not a dish. |
| [13:33:49] | mzb_d800: | oh, thought CAM == dish |
| [13:34:22] | mzb_d800: | either way, you mentioned cable ... got a way of checking it? |
| [13:34:47] | gbee: | plasma is my biggest problem right now, leaks like crazy |
| [13:36:05] | laga: | gbee: kde 4.2? |
| [13:37:12] | gbee: | 4.1.3 |
| [13:37:21] | mzb_d800: | my wallet has the same bug |
| [13:37:44] | mzb_d800: | can't for the life of me think where the problem is ;) |
| [13:39:02] | mzb_d800: | I'd buy some gaffer tape, but that'd be perpetuating the issue |
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| [13:46:30] | justinh: | connection from work is a bit poo today too |
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| [13:48:43] | ** Dibblah has a projector, which means wide-band noise. But again, inverse squared means that it's not the cause of the issue. ** | |
| [13:50:13] | justinh: | rf noise from a projector? |
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| [14:17:11] | justinh: | ach well. all seems fine again. |
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| [15:52:29] | LanUser: | Hello – I'm having trouble backing up one of my DVDs, it's Hancock and I think it might be due to the "on purpose errors" form of encryption. http://pastebin.ca/1347856 |
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| [15:54:13] | LanUser: | Is there a way around this issue? |
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| [16:02:06] | sphery: | ahh, fun... "video's not updating" on -users... translation, "I updated to trunk, but I didn't read the archives to find out what's different/how to use it/what's still being worked on." |
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| [16:04:37] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Yep |
| [16:04:48] | iamlindoro_: | oh, and the whole "covered thrice a week for the past forever weeks" |
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| [16:06:47] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: yeah... |
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| [16:19:24] | bytechanger: | hi everyone |
| [16:19:42] | jams: | hi |
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| [16:20:04] | bytechanger: | Can someone tell me if I still need to a tuning patch for myth if I'm using a Nexus-s card? |
| [16:20:08] | bytechanger: | hi jams |
| [16:23:29] | bytechanger: | seems to work at first, but if i change channels a couple of times. myth stops... this error shows in the backend – Started PESPacket, but !payloadStart() |
| [16:23:46] | jams: | don't know much about dvb, so will not be much help |
| [16:24:08] | bytechanger: | hehe, no problem jams... |
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| [16:24:50] | iamlindoro_: | What tuning patch have you previously needed? |
| [16:25:00] | iamlindoro_: | and have you patched myth in any way up to this point? |
| [16:25:14] | bytechanger: | oh, yes... about 8 patches... |
| [16:25:21] | bytechanger: | backend patches |
| [16:25:28] | mnd-: | where do I define user jobs ? |
| [16:25:36] | iamlindoro_: | What patches? |
| [16:25:49] | mnd-: | I'd like to configure xvid compression as post processing but can't find a place |
| [16:26:05] | iamlindoro_: | mnd-: User jobs are defined in mythtv-setup |
| [16:26:11] | mnd-: | ah |
| [16:26:19] | bytechanger: | 1 – mythbe_1_mysqlconnfix_r17758-fixes.diff |
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| [16:26:31] | bytechanger: | 2 – mythbe_2_eitcachefix_r17758-fixes.diff |
| [16:26:40] | bytechanger: | mythbe_3_dbconnfix_r17758-fixes.diff |
| [16:26:42] | mnd-: | but in frontend I can specify some post processing stuff using mpeg4 but I guess that's not xvid? |
| [16:26:46] | bytechanger: | mythbe_4_slavefix_r17758-fixes.diff |
| [16:27:00] | bytechanger: | mythbe_5_sdt_r17758-fixes.diff |
| [16:27:18] | iamlindoro_: | bytechanger: What is the purpose of each of these patches? |
| [16:27:36] | bytechanger: | and a few more, mythbe_14_nexus_tune_pes_r17758-fixes.diff |
| [16:27:56] | bytechanger: | just following a debian/install guide for a Nexus-s card basically... |
| [16:28:07] | iamlindoro_: | mnd-: It is, but if you use myth's transcoding you'll end up in an NUV container so you may prefer to use a user job |
| [16:28:07] | bytechanger: | i think #1 fixes a prob with mysql connections... |
| [16:28:19] | bytechanger: | 2 eit cache's? |
| [16:28:26] | iamlindoro_: | bytechanger: What guide? No reason debian should need any patches for DVB-S |
| [16:28:37] | iamlindoro_: | This sounds a lot like using a softcam |
| [16:28:48] | bytechanger: | softcam? |
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| [16:29:11] | iamlindoro_: | let me put it another way |
| [16:29:13] | bytechanger: | no, not using any softcams. |
| [16:29:17] | iamlindoro_: | I *know* what those patches are for |
| [16:29:23] | iamlindoro_: | so don't lie to me please |
| [16:29:42] | iamlindoro_: | Those patches are *specifically* for use with a softcam for stealing satellite |
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| [16:29:53] | iamlindoro_: | for which you will receive not one iota of help here |
| [16:29:58] | bytechanger: | i don't have any 'softcam' loaded or running... period |
| [16:30:19] | Dibblah: | However, you have a modified Myth install. Try vanilla. |
| [16:30:25] | iamlindoro_: | You know, we're not retarded |
| [16:30:28] | iamlindoro_: | you're in canada |
| [16:30:29] | bytechanger: | but if i don't need the patches, i will try without. |
| [16:30:31] | LanUser: | Is there a way around the "on purpose errors" form of DVD encryption? http://pastebin.ca/1347856 |
| [16:30:40] | iamlindoro_: | if you google *any* of the patches you mentioned, you get a guide for running a softcam |
| [16:30:51] | iamlindoro_: | North america + softcam guide = thief |
| [16:30:53] | iamlindoro_: | the end |
| [16:31:17] | Dibblah: | LanUser: There have been some dvdnav fixes committed which may affect that. |
| [16:31:23] | iamlindoro_: | LanUser: The new dvdnav resync may help with those |
| [16:31:26] | iamlindoro_: | heh, beat me to it |
| [16:31:58] | Dibblah: | And more verbosely. Heh. |
| [16:32:08] | chris200x9: | hi, I'm about to install mythtv for the first time and I'm just wondering if my PC has to be deticated to mythtv or can I run it in a window in gnome? |
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| [16:32:18] | iamlindoro_: | It doesn't need to be dedicated |
| [16:32:29] | chris200x9: | cool thank you |
| [16:32:31] | LanUser: | Dibblah: very recently in 0.21 fixes? I'm running an SVN checkout from just last week |
| [16:32:35] | iamlindoro_: | although many people choose to, many people also share it with desktop functionality |
| [16:32:37] | Dibblah: | Although most of the UI works better. |
| [16:32:39] | iamlindoro_: | LanUser: trunk only right now |
| [16:32:49] | iamlindoro_: | LanUser: And probably won't get a backport |
| [16:33:04] | iamlindoro_: | Well, unless Jean Yves decides to "help" again |
| [16:33:22] | LanUser: | would MythTV pickup on libdvdnav from the ffmpeg/mplayer team? |
| [16:33:26] | Dibblah: | No. |
| [16:33:43] | Dibblah: | Well, yes – In that it's resynched every while. |
| [16:34:24] | iamlindoro_: | But no in that having a more recent version installed on your system won't help |
| [16:34:39] | LanUser: | crud |
| [16:35:15] | LanUser: | even my legally purchased copy DVD Fab chokes on this DVD, it's a wonder any "real" dvd players can get around this stuff |
| [16:36:16] | quadtree: | Running mythfrontend (0.21-fixes) w/ -v playback, it sometimes reports getting a few interlaced frames when tuned to a progressive channel, and vice-versa. Is that unusual? Like maybe 1% of the frames. |
| [16:36:28] | Dibblah: | Not unusual, no. |
| [16:36:29] | iamlindoro_: | It's not unusual |
| [16:36:55] | Dibblah: | Tom Jones, eat your heart out. |
| [16:37:40] | Dibblah: | Woo hoo – It's B3ta day... |
| [16:39:43] | iamlindoro_: | Nice @ the guy on the list calling S-video "Supervideo" |
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| [16:48:05] | Dibblah: | http://www.b3ta.com/questions/hypocrisy/post375646 |
| [16:48:12] | Dibblah: | (Unusually, SFW) |
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| [17:02:32] | iamlindoro_: | Hmmm. |
| [17:02:34] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.flickr.com/photos/evansfam/3309998538/sizes/o/ |
| [17:02:39] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/icons.png |
| [17:04:34] | iamlindoro_: | Some familiar looking 16:9 and HD icons, there |
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| [17:09:42] | jduggan: | you must have copied them |
| [17:10:22] | iamlindoro_: | Copied them pre-emptively maybe :) |
| [17:10:29] | jams: | when did aquaman join smallville ? |
| [17:10:31] | Dibblah: | Uhm... That's licensed CC? ... How? |
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| [17:10:57] | iamlindoro_: | jams: I don't watch the show but I think a few seasons ago |
| [17:11:08] | iamlindoro_: | jams: Think they have a justice league and everything |
| [17:11:13] | jams: | hehe |
| [17:11:15] | Dibblah: | Since CC says "I made it" – And there's _very_ little "made" there – Even by the themer.... IMO. |
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| [17:11:18] | jams: | amazing |
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| [17:12:31] | iamlindoro_: | I'll give benefit of the doubt on the 16:9 icon which I think I borrowed the idea of from somewhere else, but the HD 720 logo... heh. I think that might even be from one of my early screenshots of the idea |
| [17:13:33] | Dibblah: | Oooh. Someone has a pogoplug.... |
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| [17:17:07] | LanUser: | How is it that set top DVD players don't have any issues with "on purpose errors" encryption? Or do they |
| [17:19:28] | iamlindoro_: | LanUser: Some do, but more or less, DVDs follow a tree structure which allows the disk to instruct the play to branch around the bad sectors-- but by having the bad sectors there is prevents a bit-for-bit copy of the disk (or, at least, makes it hard) |
| [17:19:55] | iamlindoro_: | more or less, it's playable because the software never sees the bad bits, but a straight up copy will encounter them |
| [17:20:42] | sphery: | AIUI, DVD-ROM drives are built for data storage, and, therefore, perform all sorts of error-correction checks and strive to read and re-read to get the correct data, but STB's tend to ignore errors (as they're usually not critical during real-time video playback)--or, as iamlindoro_ mentioned, don't even read the errored sections |
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| [17:42:11] | tyroiii: | does any one know if there are any plans to support the KWORLD ATSC-115 for the mac? |
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| [17:45:21] | iamlindoro_: | a) we don't write drivers, b) nobody really writes open source drivers for the mac so..... um... wrong place, and probably no |
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| [18:00:05] | gbee: | http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/filmstrip_browser.png |
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| [18:02:08] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: of course, we're have to get all the videoprops and audioprops working in MythVideo-- looks nice |
| [18:02:42] | iamlindoro_: | Probably space in the fanart to work in a small screenshot too if you were so inclined |
| [18:02:59] | iamlindoro_: | or even screenshot and coverart |
| [18:04:19] | gbee: | think I'd put those in the detail popup/window, not sure about that view |
| [18:04:40] | iamlindoro_: | Maybe put them beneath the fanart |
| [18:04:45] | iamlindoro_: | so that there's something if no fanart exists |
| [18:05:16] | gbee: | so when will the audio/video props stuff be done? :p |
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| [18:05:20] | Hilikus: | hey guys |
| [18:06:20] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: Why, so it can sit in trac? ;) |
| [18:06:23] | Hilikus: | i often get bad sound when i tune in a channel, if i change to a different channel and the return to the previous one it works fine, the sound is weird to describe. its like metallic sound. has anyone encountered his problem? |
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| [18:33:13] | sphery: | Hilikus: PVR-150? Search the archives for PVR-150 tinny sound |
| [18:33:30] | Hilikus: | yes pvr-150 |
| [18:33:34] | Hilikus: | will do, thanks sphery |
| [18:34:01] | sphery: | good luck... Sorry I don't know the fix, but I know a /lot/ of threads talked about it. May also want to search the ivtv archives (also at gossamer) |
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| [18:37:14] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: I've just realised where I've seen all those icons officially used, from the 16:9 one through to stereo/5.1 square ones I was looking at yesterday |
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| [18:37:26] | gbee: | DVD boxes |
| [18:37:53] | iamlindoro_: | Yeah, guess I recall seeing the audio channel ones on DVD boxes too |
| [18:38:34] | gbee: | it was bothering me for ages, but it wasn't until you said about the 16:9 image (or I read it in scrollback) |
| [18:38:52] | iamlindoro_: | I did borrow that one, though the HD icons are my own |
| [18:39:02] | iamlindoro_: | derived from the "Hd Ready" logo |
| [18:40:03] | gbee: | heh, I did the same – promise that I didn't nick that |
| [18:40:17] | iamlindoro_: | But I think the icon used in the Sage example is literally cut out from a few early screenshots I showed here and nowhere else... hmm. |
| [18:40:24] | gbee: | where did that screenshot come from BTW? |
| [18:40:31] | gbee: | ahh sage |
| [18:40:44] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.geektonic.com/2009/02/sneak-peek-s . . . -add-on.html |
| [18:41:05] | gbee: | if it helps, it's not really that good |
| [18:41:23] | iamlindoro_: | Heh, the screenshot or the icon? |
| [18:41:32] | gbee: | looks like a collage |
| [18:41:41] | iamlindoro_: | Yeah, I don't care for the theme idea on the whole |
| [18:41:59] | iamlindoro_: | But seeing what I am fairly certain is a cut and paste from something I did made me chuckle :) |
| [18:42:32] | gbee: | screenshot, too crowded, lacks originality and the list just doesn't work |
| [18:43:05] | iamlindoro_: | Check out the episode title text placement |
| [18:43:12] | iamlindoro_: | in the upper left |
| [18:43:15] | iamlindoro_: | it has problems |
| [18:43:35] | gbee: | plus, smallville?, really? |
| [18:43:55] | iamlindoro_: | The TV logo for the wrong network without preserveaspect (or equivalent) is fun too |
| [18:44:49] | gbee: | you do get the feeling that someone is chasing to catch up with us though |
| [18:45:01] | gbee: | "And it's pretty customizable to change the look and functionality too." |
| [18:45:19] | iamlindoro_: | I *would* like to get video and audioprops working everywhere... |
| [18:45:38] | iamlindoro_: | I was thinking about looking at the preview generator and seeing about doing it there |
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| [18:45:58] | iamlindoro_: | and only fill those values if they're empty |
| [18:46:07] | gbee: | we can get it when building a seektable |
| [18:46:35] | gbee: | which is something I'd like to see possible from a menu/automatically with 0.22 |
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| [18:46:55] | gbee: | and we could also get the first time it is played with the internal player |
| [18:47:04] | iamlindoro_: | S'pose so, but that needs to be a manual step, versus moving something in to MythVideo it ostensibly won't have a screenshot, and so the preview generator will run itself |
| [18:47:08] | iamlindoro_: | (once that gets added) |
| [18:47:11] | gbee: | though the latter would work best if mythvideo used programinfo |
| [18:47:17] | iamlindoro_: | yeah, first time it plays owuld be fine too |
| [18:48:26] | gbee: | we need the option to build seektables though, IMHO that's a must have for 0.22 |
| [18:49:00] | iamlindoro_: | would help to reduce the number of "internal sucks, I can't seek!" complaints |
| [18:49:15] | gbee: | what's the appeal of Sage for linux? |
| [18:49:32] | iamlindoro_: | I think their primary appeal across the board is their extenders |
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| [18:50:39] | jams: | as far as i can tell, extenders would be the only appeal. |
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| [18:52:03] | iamlindoro_: | IMO if there's a next generation type Minimyth-for-Ion that should more or less fit the bill |
| [18:52:06] | iamlindoro_: | (on our part) |
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| [18:54:40] | iamlindoro_: | Wonder if it's possible/worth adding an option to generate seektables/metadata as part of a nightly maintenance |
| [18:54:47] | iamlindoro_: | (when added to mythvideo, that is) |
| [18:55:01] | jams: | thats a fine idea |
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| [18:55:33] | psipsi: | Sage is also multi-platform |
| [18:55:44] | gbee: | psipsi: so is myth |
| [18:56:02] | psipsi: | is the windows port working? |
| [18:56:04] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: yeah, inserted as a special user job |
| [18:56:13] | psipsi: | I run it on OSX, so I know thta that works |
| [18:56:15] | gbee: | psipsi: apparently |
| [18:57:06] | psipsi: | gbee: ok... anyone make an installer for it yet? Or is that even practical at its current stage? |
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| [19:03:31] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: Sounds like a job for crontab |
| [19:04:44] | GreyFoxx: | I must be lucky or something as I've never had to make a seek table for anything played from mythvideo via the Internal player. |
| [19:04:59] | GreyFoxx: | Including mpegs |
| [19:05:55] | gbee: | psipsi: there is an installer, but I really can't tell you much about it, I've tended to ignore the mailing list/ticket/commit taffic since I don't have any Windows boxes and no intent to ever own any |
| [19:06:33] | gbee: | GreyFoxx: anything above 3x is useless without a seektable on mpeg2 |
| [19:07:07] | gbee: | jumping and seeking is just that much better and smoother with a proper seektable |
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| [19:07:14] | Hilikus: | so the fix that i found for the tinny sound in pvr-150 was to run a command: "v4l2-ctl --set-audio-input 0 -d /dev/video0" |
| [19:07:23] | Hilikus: | when i run that, the sound is now ALL static |
| [19:07:29] | GreyFoxx: | I've never used fastfoward, I skip by 30 seconds and back by 5 |
| [19:07:36] | Hilikus: | and changing channels doesnt fix it, i have to reboot |
| [19:07:45] | Dagmar: | So how's the tinny sound |
| [19:07:46] | GreyFoxx: | and timestretch seems ok, but then that;s only up to 2x |
| [19:07:51] | Hilikus: | any other ideas?? |
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| [19:08:18] | gbee: | GreyFoxx: I never use skip, just jump and ff/rew |
| [19:08:27] | gbee: | although mostly jump |
| [19:08:38] | Hilikus: | how can i check the ivtv version? |
| [19:08:52] | Dagmar: | You look at your kernel version |
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| [19:09:59] | GreyFoxx: | gbee: I said skip when I meant "jump" |
| [19:10:07] | GreyFoxx: | jump forward by 30, jump back by 5 |
| [19:10:11] | gbee: | iamlindoro: heh so that screenshot was still up on my browser when I returned to it just now, so I read the episode description .. :D |
| [19:10:43] | gbee: | GreyFoxx: ahh, well I've got jump set to 60 seconds (more useful for getting past the adverts) |
| [19:11:03] | Hilikus: | Dagmar that doesnt tell me the ivtv version, just the kernell version |
| [19:11:22] | gbee: | thinking about it setting the reverse jump to 30 seconds might make it more useful |
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| [19:11:50] | gbee: | Hilikus: IVTV has been included with the kernel for a long time now |
| [19:11:53] | Hilikus: | Dagmar the tinny sound is (apparently) due to lack of >16k frequencies |
| [19:12:19] | Hilikus: | i know, but how do i check the version in my current kernel? if i need to find info or patches for it i need to know what version i have |
| [19:12:41] | Hilikus: | btw, my kernel is 2.6.27 |
| [19:12:45] | Dagmar: | That would give you a flat sound. |
| [19:12:48] | Dagmar: | Not tinny. |
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| [19:13:02] | Dagmar: | If you have kernel 2.6.27 then that's all that matters. |
| [19:13:15] | Dagmar: | Documentation talking about ivtv versions 0.4.x and so on are very, very out of date |
| [19:13:19] | Hilikus: | i have no idea, thats what its being called in all the threads, i called it metallic sound |
| [19:13:46] | Dagmar: | Keep in mind that mostly you're reading the ramblings of people who watch too much television that isn't Discovery Channel |
| [19:13:55] | Hilikus: | hehe |
| [19:14:06] | Dagmar: | The command you issued to *change the audio input* was just dumb |
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| [19:14:37] | justinh: | hey, just realised something. sometimes things CAN just screw themselves up all by themselves |
| [19:14:56] | Hilikus: | is this a ivtv problem or mythtv?? |
| [19:15:06] | sphery: | Hilikus: modinfo ivtv |
| [19:15:14] | Hilikus: | pretty much 1/4 or 1/5 channel changes produce this weird sound |
| [19:15:31] | Dagmar: | Check your *firmware* to make sure it's the latest versions |
| [19:15:38] | jams: | Hilikus- it's an ivtv problem, although i thought that was pretty much gone in recent versions of ivtv |
| [19:15:40] | gbee: | or sound card |
| [19:15:40] | Hilikus: | thanks sphery. i have v1.4.0 apparently |
| [19:15:52] | gbee: | wow |
| [19:16:03] | Hilikus: | Dagmar firmware of what? |
| [19:16:06] | ** sphery still remembers the pre 0.10 versions... ** | |
| [19:16:18] | jams: | fun fun, |
| [19:16:25] | jams: | so glad it finally made it into the kernel |
| [19:16:32] | sphery: | much easier now |
| [19:16:42] | sphery: | only the firmware requires extra work... |
| [19:16:45] | jams: | yep |
| [19:17:35] | sphery: | Hilikus: http://www.ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Firmware |
| [19:17:58] | Hilikus: | sphery i checked that. but it seems to be for ivtv 0.4 |
| [19:18:08] | sphery: | Hilikus: http://www.ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Firmware#Firmware_Checksums |
| [19:18:22] | Hilikus: | ok, ill try that |
| [19:18:25] | sphery: | I'm guessing that the same applies 1.4.0 as for 0.4.1+ |
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| [19:19:46] | Dagmar: | There's also http://www.pastebin.ca/1348039 |
| [19:19:50] | justinh: | well, seen as I have the day off tomorrow I'm going to install Mediaportal & see how that goes |
| [19:20:26] | gbee: | so this new theme is 1920x1080, but I'm honestly not sure you'd be able to tell, doesn't really make any stand out difference |
| [19:20:53] | Dagmar: | Note that one of my firmwares is NOT the same as theirs, it's likely because I nabbed it from Hauppauge |
| [19:21:27] | Dagmar: | I have a fairly low opinion of the attention to detail whoever's updating ivtv's wiki page about firmware |
| [19:21:43] | sphery: | So I wonder if everyone using *buntu 8.10 is getting the same problem with nonresponsiveness... http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/373310#373310 |
| [19:22:08] | sphery: | (and, yeah, I know there have been reports on newer red-hat-based distros, too, but it seems /very/ prevalent on *buntu) |
| [19:22:44] | ** gbee waits until justinh's back is turned, then chloroforms him and dumps the body in an industrial trash compactor ** | |
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| [19:23:38] | justinh: | btw it's not mythtv, it's ubunuts' inherent ability just to break itself |
| [19:23:39] | iamlindoro_: | youch |
| [19:24:43] | justinh: | the netbooted frontend has lost its mojo somehow. xrandr is failing all the time & it's not playing back video in the least bit centred |
| [19:25:00] | justinh: | 4:3 content has a black bar to the left and fills the rest of the screen |
| [19:25:24] | justinh: | 16:9 content starts a third of the way down and has a black bar on the left hand side |
| [19:25:49] | justinh: | nothing to indicate much in the logs. no software installed recently and no changes to config files. so er.. wtf |
| [19:26:13] | Hilikus: | sphery i had that problem before 8.10 |
| [19:26:37] | Hilikus: | but i was mostly due to filters |
| [19:26:51] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: Any troubles with the latest nvidia driver? Or have you tried it yet ? |
| [19:26:59] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: Any plan to commit the non-GUI portions of #6032 soon, or are you holding off until you've got the GUI portion done? |
| [19:27:23] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: Having heard your experiences, and the few on the list, and mark and chutt seemingly being out for the moment, I've held off |
| [19:27:41] | Hilikus: | so i seem to have the right firmwares, confirmed by the md5s. any other idea guys? |
| [19:28:22] | gbee: | sure it's the recording any not the sound card/driver/server |
| [19:28:27] | gbee: | and |
| [19:29:11] | gbee: | ? |
| [19:29:23] | gbee: | meh |
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| [19:30:44] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: hehe ok |
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| [19:31:10] | Hilikus: | well it seems to be the card |
| [19:31:10] | GreyFoxx: | I just have no idea how what I ran into could happen.... I might try again but I'm a little gunshy now until I see someone else try it :0 |
| [19:31:34] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: Did you see the similar complaints on the list |
| [19:31:35] | iamlindoro_: | ? |
| [19:31:47] | GreyFoxx: | No... -users ? Or the nvnews.net forum ? |
| [19:31:59] | iamlindoro_: | users |
| [19:32:00] | GreyFoxx: | I've not looked at much on -users in a couple days |
| [19:32:13] | iamlindoro_: | I haven't read them closely but sounds like it might be similar |
| [19:32:24] | GreyFoxx: | I've spent very little time on computers after work for the last few days really |
| [19:32:58] | mkrufky: | hey, about the link posted about...... unresponsive to remote presses while playback of HD content |
| [19:33:08] | mkrufky: | ... i see that sometimes on keyboard button presses |
| [19:33:19] | GreyFoxx: | mkrufky: What version of QT ? |
| [19:33:26] | GreyFoxx: | And is it -fixes or trunk ? |
| [19:33:28] | mkrufky: | while i watch HD content, too ....... i can fix the problem by ALT-TABbing away, then ALT-TAB back in to myth |
| [19:33:40] | mkrufky: | i am using the distro-packaged version in ubuntu hardy |
| [19:33:50] | mkrufky: | i wasnt planning to complain about this — i figured it was a window-manager problem |
| [19:34:00] | GreyFoxx: | It does sound like a WM problem |
| [19:34:01] | mkrufky: | but i mention it now cuz i see u talking about it in the log... maybe more info is helpful |
| [19:34:26] | GreyFoxx: | There have been reports lately of a long lag when someone hits a button and myth reacts to it |
| [19:34:32] | mkrufky: | so, sometimes i have to do the alt-tab dance before pausing ... otherwise the [P]ause button is ignored |
| [19:34:33] | GreyFoxx: | which for me has only appeared in the lsat couple months |
| [19:34:58] | mkrufky: | ive seen this only the past few months, but i have not upgraded any software on that box for the past few months, anyway |
| [19:35:26] | GreyFoxx: | It must be the embedded hidden remote keystroke logging timeing out waiting for DNS lookups or something |
| [19:35:29] | GreyFoxx: | oops.... |
| [19:35:30] | GreyFoxx: | ;) |
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| [19:35:57] | mkrufky: | lol |
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| [19:38:23] | Hilikus: | actually theres a sample clip here with the same problem i'm having |
| [19:38:23] | Hilikus: | http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?zjmdjdunzgi |
| [19:38:28] | Hilikus: | if anyone is interested |
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| [19:44:52] | coda: | hi there! |
| [19:47:05] | coda: | excuse me guys.. after rebooting my PC I see the following message on 'dmesg': "dvb-usb: did not find the firmware file. (dvb-usb-dib0700–1.20.fw)" |
| [19:47:13] | coda: | does anyone know how to fix this? |
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| [19:47:50] | iamlindoro_: | That's a question for #linuxtv, but more or less, find that firmware file and put it where your distro expects to find firmware |
| [19:48:25] | coda: | oh, okok, thanks a lot! |
| [19:48:40] | coda: | the file I have ends in '1.10.fw' instead of 1.20 |
| [19:48:52] | coda: | but yesterday it worked without problems |
| [19:48:52] | iamlindoro_: | Sounds like you ran updates and now have newer DVB modules |
| [19:49:21] | coda: | yeap |
| [19:49:23] | iamlindoro_: | which is a great example of my old adage, "never run updates on your mythbox" |
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| [19:49:39] | coda: | let's see what happens if I create a link to the 1.10 version :P |
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| [19:49:45] | iamlindoro_: | don't do that |
| [19:49:53] | iamlindoro_: | just go find the right version |
| [19:50:06] | iamlindoro_: | I repeat, do *not* feed the driver the wrong firmware |
| [19:50:07] | mkrufky: | google knows |
| [19:50:13] | iamlindoro_: | does firmware sound ominous? |
| [19:50:15] | iamlindoro_: | because it should |
| [19:50:17] | coda: | oh |
| [19:50:22] | mkrufky: | what device do you have btw, coda ? |
| [19:50:36] | coda: | hauppauge wintv nova-t |
| [19:50:59] | mkrufky: | yeah i was going to point you to a link with the firmware, but its not there |
| [19:51:00] | mkrufky: | brb |
| [19:51:16] | coda: | ough |
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| [19:53:08] | mkrufky: | i have a feeling that it will get posted there soon ..... now that cough cough ... somebody knows that its not there |
| [19:53:18] | mkrufky: | meanwhile, ull find it faster on google |
| [19:53:42] | coda: | I see a tutorial here that says to download the .fw file directly from a site... should I do that? or should I have to compile it manually? |
| [19:54:17] | coda: | btw, may I paste links here? (just double checking in case I'm breaking some rule) |
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| [19:54:43] | Dagmar: | Sure, so long as they're not some bloody spam site |
| [19:55:00] | coda: | ok, thanks :) |
| [19:55:08] | coda: | the link is wget http://devinheitmueller.com/801e/dvb-usb-dib0700-1.20.fw |
| [19:55:29] | Dagmar: | Okay, that's pretty useless for most people |
| [19:55:34] | Dagmar: | Why exactly do we need your firmware? |
| [19:56:16] | coda: | I was pasting the link just to check if it sounds correct for you :) because I'm not sure if I should download the .fw file or compile it from source |
| [19:56:28] | Dagmar: | You know how to compile a firmware? |
| [19:56:31] | mkrufky: | its correct, coda |
| [19:56:34] | Dagmar: | You've done this before, perhaps? |
| [19:56:36] | mkrufky: | and you cant compile it |
| [19:56:43] | mkrufky: | just stick it in /lib/firmware/ |
| [19:56:48] | coda: | Dagmar: ahmm.. nope, sorry, you're right :) |
| [19:56:51] | mkrufky: | then replug your stick |
| [19:57:09] | coda: | ok, let's see |
| [19:57:35] | justinh: | eew. mediaportal still looks like arse |
| [19:57:50] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: Cheater! |
| [19:58:07] | iamlindoro_: | How dare you cheat on poor gbee that way, after all he sacrificed to put you through school |
| [19:58:14] | justinh: | god, get pissed off with linux & start looking at the alternatives.. then realise there is no alternative |
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| [19:58:49] | coda: | it started working :) thank you guys.. I really appreciate your help |
| [19:59:09] | justinh: | er.. I've given back. plenty. not as much as others but a feckload more than most |
| [19:59:27] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: You know full well that I'm teasing |
| [20:00:12] | justinh: | I think I'll just end up dumping PoS buntu tomorrow |
| [20:00:19] | justinh: | get myself a 'real' distro |
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| [20:03:25] | dustybin: | justinh: debian lenny has just been released, its excellent, the perfect multimedia server distro IMO |
| [20:03:53] | iamlindoro_: | yes justinh, why don't you take some distro advice from dustybin? It's sure to be excellent and well considered |
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| [20:04:20] | iamlindoro_: | doesn't take much to send him packing any more |
| [20:04:24] | iamlindoro_: | I think he likes it |
| [20:04:54] | justinh: | the last ubuntu release I used was great. this one has been slow as hell & pretty nasty |
| [20:05:14] | keith4: | should I be using XvMC? I am seeing lots of conflicting opinions in the wiki |
| [20:05:15] | justinh: | worth a bash installing a bunch of updates & see if it helps. nowt to lose :-\ |
| [20:05:28] | justinh: | keith4: if you can get by without it, the answer is NO |
| [20:06:00] | keith4: | my current frontend is a c2d, and handles all my HD crap without a problem... but i'd like to move it to another TV, and get by with a re-purposed spare box... |
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| [20:06:23] | justinh: | I say again.. if you can live without it, don't use it |
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| [20:07:06] | Cheavera: | When i start mythbackend as a service while booting my computer my front end as user 'mythtv' can't connect to it. I think this problem has tot do with user permission. Can someone help me with this? I'm using Fedora 10 |
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| [20:08:59] | gbee: | keith4: XvMC is fairly worthless, there are almost no CPUs these days that can't handle SD/HD mpeg2 |
| [20:09:02] | keith4: | justinh: k, thanks |
| [20:09:29] | keith4: | gbee: i might try a single core P4, 3ghz... and settle for 720p |
| [20:10:00] | keith4: | iirc, a similar spare box could *almost* handle live 1080i mpeg2 |
| [20:10:23] | keith4: | i guess i'll just have to try it |
| [20:10:42] | gbee: | 1080i mpeg2 was playable on my single core 1.6Ghz |
| [20:11:35] | keith4: | playback at native resolution? |
| [20:11:40] | keith4: | maybe i should crank the quality down, then |
| [20:12:01] | gbee: | doesn't matter what resolution it's being played back at, the scaling is done in hardware |
| [20:12:14] | keith4: | although, i don't recall if it had problems with the recordings, or just live tv |
| [20:12:55] | keith4: | sometimes, i wish i kept notes on this stuff |
| [20:13:04] | gbee: | decoding any video uses the same amount of CPU whether it's being played at 1920x1080 or 192x108 |
| [20:14:00] | keith4: | yah, but i seem to recall that Xorg used less CPU at lower res, for some reason |
| [20:14:03] | keith4: | never did figure out why |
| [20:14:42] | mkrufky: | the entire tree builds fine for me under 2.6.24–23, so i blame the user |
| [20:14:45] | mkrufky: | oops, wrong room |
| [20:14:52] | Dagmar: | gbee: Seems like there could be room for improvement there |
| [20:15:55] | keith4: | gbee: how can we explain these people who reported 100% usage on a 2.2GHz athlon then? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/XvMC:Example_CPU_Savings |
| [20:16:36] | iamlindoro_: | these are users we're talking about, right? |
| [20:16:39] | iamlindoro_: | so there's your answer |
| [20:16:46] | keith4: | i figure they can't *all* be idiots |
| [20:17:15] | keith4: | it's certainly not the smallest sample size i've seen... so there must be at least a few useful stats here |
| [20:17:28] | iamlindoro_: | There tends to be a direct corollation between idiocy and willingness to write about yourself |
| [20:17:42] | keith4: | that's very unfortunate |
| [20:17:55] | jams: | but true |
| [20:18:06] | iamlindoro_: | I also have had non-XvMc American ATSC 1080i working on 1.8 Ghz and 2.0 Ghz processors |
| [20:18:39] | iamlindoro_: | the shorter way of saying it is they've done with XvMc what probably could have been done with proper configuration |
| [20:18:48] | keith4: | combined front/backend? |
| [20:19:05] | iamlindoro_: | yes |
| [20:19:11] | keith4: | that might make a difference |
| [20:19:15] | iamlindoro_: | Not that there's anything at all to recording digital television |
| [20:19:22] | keith4: | right |
| [20:19:46] | keith4: | but, i wonder how much overhead is involved in sucking multiple MB/s from a remote backend |
| [20:19:55] | iamlindoro_: | It would be *less* CPU for them to be seperated |
| [20:20:00] | keith4: | hopefully |
| [20:20:09] | iamlindoro_: | And it's far less data than you think |
| [20:20:20] | iamlindoro_: | 19 Mbit/s max |
| [20:20:25] | iamlindoro_: | not hopefully, literally |
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| [20:21:16] | keith4: | maybe i'm crazy, but i swear that 1080i mpeg2 wasn't watchable on a 3Ghz P4 a few years ago |
| [20:21:41] | iamlindoro_: | Not crazy, but perhaps mis-recalling |
| [20:21:51] | iamlindoro_: | 1080i at broadcast bitrates is doable on much less than that |
| [20:21:56] | keith4: | hmmm |
| [20:22:03] | iamlindoro_: | as previously mentioned by several of us |
| [20:22:07] | keith4: | how much of a role does the suckiness of the video card play? |
| [20:22:39] | iamlindoro_: | depends on how sucky. If we're talking any relatively modern nvidia card with proprietary drivers, that's more than enough |
| [20:22:50] | iamlindoro_: | Is we're talking about some S3, it would definitely play a factor |
| [20:23:08] | keith4: | it's relatively new, compared to the other video cards in my cardboard box o' spare parts.... Geforce 4 era |
| [20:23:41] | keith4: | either way, that's fantastic news. it means i can move my slim frontend, and frankenstein another one together |
| [20:23:50] | keith4: | you guys have just made my day! |
| [20:23:52] | iamlindoro_: | Should be fine, so long as you're running proprietary drivers |
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| [20:25:12] | gbee: | keith4: may have been differences in compression levels, we don't get HD mpeg2 over here, but I used to transcode BBC HD h.264 to mpeg2 for playback on my laptop |
| [20:26:25] | keith4: | unfortunately, i've been transcoding a lot of my HD recordings to mpeg4... which will make it harder to playback on slower CPUs, no? |
| [20:26:49] | keith4: | but it sounds like that still shouldn't be an issue |
| [20:26:51] | gbee: | now considering that BBC HD h.264 is ~20Mbps and h.264 achieves far better compression than mpeg2, I'm really starting to wonder about the quality of ATSC HD with a max rate of 19Mbps in mpeg2 |
| [20:27:18] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: It's not as bad as people make it out to be, presuming you get anything close to a full bitrate stream |
| [20:27:41] | iamlindoro_: | I think people just like to complain-- most of out 1080i channels which remain north of 13–15 Mbit look pretty fantastic |
| [20:27:59] | keith4: | thankfully, my provider only has about 20 HD channels, so they don't have to compress the hell out of them (yet) |
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| [20:33:36] | Cheavera: | When I use the init script in /etc/init.d/ to start mythbackend user 'mythtv' cant connect to it. If I start manually start mythbackend i can. Is there a way to use a init script and still be able to connect to the backend? |
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| [20:37:19] | Dagmar: | Yes. |
| [20:37:25] | Dagmar: | Who wrote the init script |
| [20:37:27] | keith4: | there's probably a way to fix your permission problems |
| [20:37:56] | Cheavera: | its the default from the rpm fusion repo |
| [20:38:08] | Dagmar: | Okay, so first you report it to them as broken |
| [20:38:16] | sphery: | Cheavera: likely you need to export HOME=/something in the init script |
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| [20:54:47] | psm321: | is there a way to tell myth to use bigger in-ram buffers to smooth out occasional disk i/o speed issues? |
| [20:55:14] | psm321: | (its not a systematic problem, only when i happen to be moving around a lot of other files, etc) |
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| [20:57:05] | dustybin: | when i upgrade to .22 im going create a fresh new database |
| [20:57:09] | dustybin: | *to |
| [20:57:38] | dustybin: | i think if you keep a mythtv database too long, it gets filled up with bits of infomration what never gets deleted |
| [20:57:51] | dustybin: | its good to have a clear out every now and again :D |
| [20:58:00] | GreyFoxx: | If the info is never used, why delete it ?:) |
| [20:58:10] | iamlindoro_: | This isn't Windows |
| [20:58:24] | iamlindoro_: | We have many advanced users with years-old DBs that work great |
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| [20:58:43] | dustybin: | I thought maybe it would work better with a fresh clear out |
| [20:58:43] | GreyFoxx: | I've been using the same myth databsae since 2003 |
| [20:58:50] | dustybin: | JEEEZE |
| [20:59:05] | GreyFoxx: | with a dozzen different backend/frontends coming and going over the yars |
| [20:59:16] | dustybin: | ok, ill keep it then :D |
| [20:59:21] | gbee: | still using the same database I started with on day one |
| [20:59:34] | gbee: | though that wasn't as far back as 2003 |
| [20:59:38] | dustybin: | i thought maybe it would work faster if you setup a fresh one, because things have changed over the years? |
| [20:59:43] | GreyFoxx: | nope |
| [20:59:47] | dustybin: | oh ok |
| [21:00:28] | iamlindoro_: | Another one of those "opinions without any basis in facts, experience, or reality," huh? |
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| [21:00:43] | GreyFoxx: | dusty: It would get slow if |
| [21:00:45] | GreyFoxx: | errr wtf |
| [21:00:57] | GreyFoxx: | he leave as soon as you talk now ? |
| [21:01:02] | iamlindoro_: | pretty much |
| [21:01:07] | GreyFoxx: | hrm, ok |
| [21:01:29] | iamlindoro_: | Don't get that guy |
| [21:01:35] | GreyFoxx: | I was gonna say it would get slow if the programs table wasn't being cleared by mythfilldatabase so if you are an EIT only use please remember to run mythfilldatabase |
| [21:01:43] | GreyFoxx: | So if that helps any of you there you go :) |
| [21:01:48] | iamlindoro_: | He makes a point of talking to me and justin as though he *wants* someone to yell at him |
| [21:03:11] | GreyFoxx: | hrm, time to look at some tiny dns servers |
| [21:04:15] | GreyFoxx: | or better make /etc/hosts a db file of some sort since adding 2.3 million host entries adds almost a second to all lookups |
| [21:05:12] | GreyFoxx: | and nss seems to have removed the dbm support. At least on the machines I checked |
| [21:05:54] | psm321: | i have a db from late 2004 |
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| [21:14:24] | gbee: | GreyFoxx: that was changed before 0.21, clearing of the programs table is no longer done by mythfilldatabase but by the housekeeper |
| [21:15:05] | GreyFoxx: | Ahhh cool. one less thing for users to worry about then |
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| [21:18:06] | gbee: | that was the intent, one of the usability improvements |
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| [21:48:55] | yfaykya: | howdy- Looking at changeset 19979 : How do I add a videogroup to an existing setup? |
| [21:49:39] | yfaykya: | So I can move all videos to it and stream to other frontends instead of nfs mounting video and poster directories |
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| [21:50:17] | iamlindoro_: | the storage group is added form mythtv-setup-- if you want to convert existing stuff to SG it takes more effort and manual tweaking |
| [21:50:50] | iamlindoro_: | To do so, you need to add the host where they live to the host field for each record, and change the path of the filename to be relative to the root of the SG |
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| [21:51:32] | iamlindoro_: | so if you make the Videos Storage Group /mnt/videos, and a record is /mnt/videos/Television/Myfile.mpg, the new filename would need to be Television/Myfile.mpg |
| [21:51:32] | yfaykya: | iamlindoro: Ok so I can script some SQL to do that. So all I need do first is add a storagegroup from mythtv-setup? |
| [21:51:39] | iamlindoro_: | yes |
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| [21:51:58] | yfaykya: | in videometadata? |
| [21:52:20] | iamlindoro_: | yes |
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| [21:52:59] | yfaykya: | and stick hostname of backend in host field? |
| [21:53:00] | iamlindoro_: | Note that while it's not strictly necessary, if you do this manually you want to make sure to remove the preceding slashes |
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| [21:53:21] | iamlindoro_: | ie /Television/Myfile.mpg will work, but it should be Television/Myfile.mpg for a couple reasons |
| [21:53:25] | yfaykya: | Os so Televsion/... instead of /Televison./.... |
| [21:53:30] | iamlindoro_: | first, that matches how the new scanning code works |
| [21:53:31] | yfaykya: | :-) |
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| [21:53:50] | iamlindoro_: | secondly, I have some patches coming that rely on the filenames in storage groups to be formatted that way |
| [21:54:26] | yfaykya: | iamlindoro: Thanks – will try that now. Any caveats with streaming at mo? Its over 100MB wired so not worried about network |
| [21:55:18] | yfaykya: | Oh and what about posters? Does myth just take that from masterbackend or do I need a storagegroup for them too? |
| [21:57:06] | iamlindoro_: | for the moment, posters will still need to be locally mounted |
| [21:57:27] | iamlindoro_: | Caveats to streaming are that ISOs and VIDEO_TS directories currently do not work |
| [21:57:31] | iamlindoro_: | but there's a fix in the works |
| [21:57:46] | coda: | excuse me iamlindoro.. would you know what could be causing mythtv to detect each button I press twice? |
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| [21:58:03] | coda: | iamlindoro: I mean, if I press "2", it shows "22" :| |
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| [21:58:13] | keith4: | coda: two keyboard sections in xorg.conf? |
| [21:58:18] | iamlindoro_: | coda: On a remote? |
| [21:58:28] | keith4: | two lirc daemons running? |
| [21:58:44] | yfaykya: | damn – pop up keyboard not working from mythtv-setup |
| [21:58:48] | coda: | iamlindoro_: yes, sorry.. on a remote |
| [21:59:05] | iamlindoro_: | sounds like you've got repeat= set to some wrong value in lircrc or it's a devinput driver being funky (about which I have no idea) |
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| [21:59:36] | coda: | ouuuugh |
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| [22:00:27] | coda: | even if I try with "irw" every time I press a button I see two messages saying that I've pressed it |
| [22:01:01] | sphery: | bad gap |
| [22:01:08] | sphery: | in /etc/lircd.conf? |
| [22:01:41] | jduggan: | repeat rate |
| [22:01:43] | jduggan: | ima guess? |
| [22:02:02] | coda: | oh, I'm not sure.. let's see |
| [22:02:39] | coda: | actually the gap is set to 254291.. is there any way to know if it's right or wrong? |
| [22:02:48] | sphery: | ask trial and error |
| [22:03:02] | coda: | I will try to run irrecorder again and see if I get the same gap |
| [22:03:17] | sphery: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/368917#368917 |
| [22:06:13] | coda: | hmmm now I get a different gap value.. |
| [22:06:20] | coda: | could that be related? :S |
| [22:07:04] | coda: | ough.. |
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| [22:11:43] | yfaykya: | imlandoro: You know what tables I need to edit to manually add a videogroup? I have no keyboard on backend and onscreen keyboard not working |
| [22:11:44] | yfaykya: | would insert into storagegroup values ("2","Videos","mythtv-box","/media_files" ;); work? |
| [22:11:54] | yfaykya: | looks like it did... |
| [22:12:47] | iamlindoro_: | Might get inserted, but whether those are the correct values I couldn't tell you-- looks fine from here but I don't know your setup |
| [22:14:22] | yfaykya: | The 2 was the only thing I was worried about. Wonder if it is ref'ed anywhere else. |
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| [22:15:15] | iamlindoro_: | 2 should just be the integer value for the row, AFAIK |
| [22:15:29] | iamlindoro_: | If you only have one storage group defined, think that 2 should be correct |
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| [22:24:09] | yfaykya: | iamlindoro : Works fine now except the posters are not showing. Do they need a hostname prefix or anything? |
| [22:24:25] | iamlindoro_: | nope. You didn't change their paths, did you? |
| [22:24:26] | yfaykya: | take that back |
| [22:24:36] | yfaykya: | folder.jpg is not showing |
| [22:24:41] | yfaykya: | bummer |
| [22:24:55] | iamlindoro_: | The folder.jpgs work fine here via storage group |
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| [22:25:56] | iamlindoro_: | posters (for the moment) need to be locally mounted as always, and need to have the same old fully qualified path |
| [22:26:08] | iamlindoro_: | folder.jpg should work fine, though |
| [22:26:26] | iamlindoro_: | I have a patch in for coverart storage groups, don't know when it will be applied |
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| [22:38:31] | gbee: | they do? have I missed something? |
| [22:38:32] | yfaykya: | I use gallery mode. |
| [22:38:32] | yfaykya: | they got spaces in them? Seem to be an issue here |
| [22:38:32] | yfaykya: | or maybe its missing trailing / at end of directories |
| [22:38:32] | yfaykya: | logs full of "Could not find folder cover Image : //media_files/TVSeries/The Wire" |
| [22:38:32] | yfaykya: | etc |
| [22:38:44] | yfaykya: | Cover art is fine. Its the folders that are not. |
| [22:38:46] | yfaykya: | Like the storage group is not parsing correctly for the folder.* |
| [22:39:16] | yfaykya: | iamlandoro : I had updated the videometadata with a host as the IP address. I changed it to the hostname and it works fine now. |
| [22:39:19] | yfaykya: | Thanks! |
| [22:39:25] | iamlindoro_: | np |
| [22:39:47] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: "They do?" in regard to which part? |
| [22:40:10] | iamlindoro_: | spaces should be fine AFAIK, I have lots of spaces |
| [22:40:26] | yfaykya: | ignore my rantings.. |
| [22:40:40] | gbee: | posters needing to be locally mounted, pretty sure that isn't the case |
| [22:40:59] | yfaykya: | gbee: How does myth know what machine they are on then? |
| [22:41:02] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: no other way to load them |
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| [22:41:27] | gbee: | local to the backend you mean? |
| [22:41:32] | yfaykya: | yeah |
| [22:41:40] | iamlindoro_: | I mean local to whatever system is displaying them |
| [22:42:18] | iamlindoro_: | coverart isn't going to work unless it's locally accessible, it's not streamed without my (sitting in trac) patch to add a storage group for them |
| [22:42:50] | gbee: | feel sure I would have noticed that when I tested this stuff from my netbook |
| [22:42:53] | iamlindoro_: | folder.jpg works via the video storage group, but that's a special case |
| [22:42:55] | gbee: | GreyFoxx: ? |
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| [22:54:24] | sphery: | heh, "it's been a month can we please get this at least assigned to someone who looks at Mac OS Tickets?" in #6211 |
| [22:54:45] | sphery: | Guess he doesn't realize that whether it's assigned or not has no bearing on how quickly it will be applied... |
| [22:55:31] | iamlindoro_: | Tell him to look at #2077 and suck it |
| [22:56:02] | iamlindoro_: | #2077 is my nemesis |
| [22:56:13] | chris200x9_: | hi, I'm running arch linux when I run mysql -u root -p < /usr/share/mythtv/mc.sql I get http://pastebin.com/d165a6f7 |
| [22:56:14] | iamlindoro_: | and is assigned to someone who hasn't, by all acounts, appeared in years |
| [22:56:16] | iamlindoro_: | accounts |
| [22:56:44] | kormoc: | I look at OSX tickets... I don't do anything bout them.... but I do look at them... |
| [22:57:01] | chris200x9_: | does it matter I changed my localhost name? |
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| [22:59:02] | jams: | chris200x9- it's complaining that it doesn't have the right password for the mysql user root. Try removing the -p . |
| [22:59:49] | chris200x9_: | ah thanx! |
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| [23:01:17] | jams: | of course if you set the password for root, then you would need to give it the correct password. Note that mysql accounts are not system accounts. |
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| [23:16:04] | iamlindoro: | gbee, hahahaha |
| [23:16:14] | iamlindoro: | My prayers are answered! |
| [23:16:15] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
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| [23:21:22] | iamlindoro: | gbee, Just got home and re-tested, unmounted the coverart dir on my frontend, no coverart (except for those in a storage group which is part of my metadata patch) |
| [23:21:41] | jarle: | Is there a way I can see the resolution of a live TV channel I am watching? |
| [23:22:01] | iamlindoro: | ffmpeg -i filename on the recorded file |
| [23:22:19] | iamlindoro: | or, in trunk, it will be in the recordedmarkup (mark types 31 and 32) |
| [23:22:39] | iamlindoro: | er 30 and 31, that is |
| [23:23:07] | jarle: | iamlindoro: oki, so no magic button from within live tv (yet) then.... |
| [23:23:14] | iamlindoro: | correct |
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| [23:39:46] | gbee: | not information that most users are going to be interested in, it's one of those that I'd file in the geek pile |
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| [23:43:44] | gbee: | iamlindoro: huh, you are right, no posters |
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| [23:44:17] | gbee: | wonder why I thought that was part of GreyFoxx's original commit |
| [23:44:38] | iamlindoro: | gbee, all this and more can be yours in #6159! |
| [23:44:39] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [23:45:15] | gbee: | yeah, well not my problem ;) |
| [23:45:55] | iamlindoro: | heh, ok, I'll stop whining :) |
| [23:46:02] | iamlindoro: | (for the moment) |
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| [23:53:51] | high-rez: | Sorry if I'm 24 hours behind but 180.35 seems to capture all of SIGINT and blackhole it somewhere right? |
| [23:54:03] | high-rez: | s/24 hours/24 hours+ |
| [23:57:10] | gbee: | 180.35 is evil |
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| [23:57:31] | gbee: | the pure kind, not the diluted stuff |
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