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Tuesday, February 24th, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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gbee:

iamlindoro_: group is currently unused, but when complete it will do what it says on the tin

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iamlindoro_:

gbee: In that case all the widgets are now documentedish

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iamlindoro_:

some to a greater or lesser half-assedness

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gbee:

group two or more widgets, allowing them to be positioned relative to the group position, moved as a single unit, apply effects such as alpha/alphapulse to all at once

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gbee:

if it helps, internally <state>s are groups

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iamlindoro_:

yeah, makes sense to me

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iamlindoro_:

I'd really like it if someone would make this page attractive, but I'm more or less happy with the basic content (at least, compared to what has existed before)

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gbee:

but whereas a state is a special named group belonging to a statetype and conditionally displayed, a <group> is always displayed and is transparent to the code, it can be used anywhere and contain anything

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iamlindoro_:

And I think it builds through the page well (ie starts simple and builds on each concept)

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gbee:

you've done a great job

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iamlindoro_:

Thanks :)

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iamlindoro_:

Needs a lot of polish but just wanted to throw everything I could at the page

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mzb_d800:

is there a (mostly) functional theme that uses (some|all of) these new mythui features?

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iamlindoro_:

Terra

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iamlindoro_:

Which is in trunk

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mzb_d800:

ok, thanks ... I'll see if I can test it out when I've finished updating customer's box (dual tuner, etc)

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mzb_d800:

err... that being said, a lot of opengl effects, I'm guessing?

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mzb_d800:

what are my chances of running Terra on an M10k? ;)

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iamlindoro_:

you can run it fine

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mzb_d800:

excellent

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iamlindoro_:

only a couple things which work only w/ the GL painter, everyhing else will work in Qt fine

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mzb_d800:

is Terra just a demo, or the new "default" (?) that you're all working on?

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iamlindoro_:

It's the new default, belongs to gbee

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mzb_d800:

aha

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mzb_d800:

ok ... I'm past the slightly curious stage ;).

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iamlindoro_:

within a few weeks we should have some very good documentation on theming so hopefully we will see more soon

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mzb_d800:

My LCD's have arrived too, so I'll see if I can combine it all together ;)

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iamlindoro_:

and I have something cooking themewise too

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mzb_d800:

great :)

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mzb_d800:

(thinking about building light sensitive PWM for backlight)

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iamlindoro_:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Theme_Terra

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mzb_d800:

thank you

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iamlindoro_:

http://robertmcnamara.smugmug.com/gallery/7063231_gGk9H

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mzb_d800:

feel like a mencoder question?

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iamlindoro_:

I don't use it, but someone surely does :)

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mzb_d800:

ok, I asked the other day, but no response. I'll try again:

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Huijari:

omg

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Huijari:

that graphite theme looks pretty good

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mzb_d800:

I've written a script (overly complicated) that autocrops, scales, resizes, etc ... depending on the type/name of the video ....

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mzb_d800:

however

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iamlindoro_:

Huijari: thanks ;)

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Huijari:

iamlindoro_: is it available for download somewhere?

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iamlindoro_:

Huijari: no, it relies on a few un-committed patches and won't be available until .22 is out

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mzb_d800:

LOW quality works ok (512x384), MEDIUM is ... well it needs work ... but HIGH is woeful. I'm trying to do (as close to) a "lossless" crop/resize with HIGH.

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mzb_d800:

woeful==inconsistent file sizes

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Huijari:

iamlindoro_: ok :/

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iamlindoro_:

Even if I put it somewhere to download it would still only work right with all my patches :)

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test3:

mzb_d800: u wana join files with mencoder ?

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mzb_d800:

actually, as far as visual quality goes, MEDIUM probably needs more work, but HIGH is the one I'd prefer to get going properly.

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mzb_d800:

test3: no, crop and resize

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test3:

mzb_d800: ffmpeg

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mzb_d800:

I've already got it going, just looking for help with mencoder param foo.

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mzb_d800:

no

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test3:

ok..

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mzb_d800:

I'm using mencoder for a number of reasons

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test3:

np

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mzb_d800:

brb

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gbee:

mzb_d800: Terra is actually pretty far from being complete and there is no guarentee that it will even remain quite the same as it is now, it makes modest use of animation and since many of the planned animation effects are unlikely to be included in 0.22 that means you might even blink and miss them

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mzb_d800:

gbee: I guess I'd better try it out sooner than later then :) ... and script+cron build updates ;))

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test3:

mzb_d800: well.. i'm interested on your command for mencoder / personally , i use ffmpeg for nuv to avi :

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test3:

ffmpeg -i /home/.../input.nuv -croptop 70 -cropbottom 90 -s 480x272 -r ntsc -ar 48000 -ac 2 -acodec libmp3lame -ab 128k -b 512k -ss 0:00:00.000 -t 2:00:00.000 output.avi

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mzb_d800:

test3: I suppose I _could_ use ffmpeg for HIGH, and convert all the crop dimensions (I had that written somewhere before)

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gbee:

I've only themed maybe 1/4 of the frontend windows and one plugin (mythvideo)

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test3:

mzb_d800: (just a crop for a mp4 ; yp P2)

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iamlindoro_:

I'm about even w/ gbee on the frontend and have done 5 plugins so far

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gbee:

as far as the style goes, well it's meant to be quite different from anything that you might have seen before in mythtv, it's deliberately minimal in the information it presents

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gbee:

in summary it's not going to appeal to all tastes, it's not trying to, it's trying to stretch the envelope and get people thinking outside the box a little more than they have in the past

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mzb_d800:

test3: this is the main script: http://openpaste.org/en/11532/

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test3:

tyvm:)

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test3:

man... i'm too newbie ;)

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test3:

^^

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mzb_d800:

general.sh: http://openpaste.org/en/11533/

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mzb_d800:

(a sourced "library")

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mzb_d800:

videofuncs.sh: http://openpaste.org/en/11534/

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gbee:

I'm actually extremely happy that iamlindoro and others have picked up the baton and are creating themes that I didn't imagine and which are nothing like those available right now for 0.21

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mzb_d800:

sqlfuncs.sh: http://openpaste.org/en/11535/

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mzb_d800:

there is more, but I think that's it for convert_video

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mzb_d800:

crude

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mzb_d800:

(if you hadn't noticed;)

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test3:

mzb_d800: this looks like to b very usefull but i'll wait for the graphical interface ;)

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mzb_d800:

can be run as a user job, or from command line

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test3:

me too newbie ..

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test3:

sry :$

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test3:

i'll study it anyway :)

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mzb_d800:

or from another script, eg: http://openpaste.org/en/11536/

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mzb_d800:

comment DEBUG if you want it to be quiet ;)

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mzb_d800:

(or set it to a smaller number)

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mzb_d800:

fwiw, my video structure is roughly /myth/video/videos/{Music,Documentaries,Sport,Movies...} .... if that helps

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mzb_d800:

oh, and "Series"

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mzb_d800:

so, for eg, that last openpaste converted 427 mpeg2 music videos to 512x384 (LOW) mp4 with autocrop ... just going through it all now to catch the ones that slipped through the net (mixed aspect throught video, etc)

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mzb_d800:

but I'd really like to do mpeg2=>mpeg2 with highest quality possible (hence earlier question)

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test3:

bye thx

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dragonbyte:

hello, any of you got mythfrontend going on an apple tv?

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at0m|werk:

dragonbyte: like this? http://mythtv.org/wiki/Installing_MythFrontend_on_an_AppleTV

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dragonbyte:

at0m|werk: well supposedly you can do it without cracking it open

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dragonbyte:

at0m|werk: I am also curious if mythbrowser and mythgames would work

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at0m|werk:

i don't know about apple gear, just found the wiki page

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dragonbyte:

trying to decide if a mac mini or apple tv would be better

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Dagmar:

Which one would be less likely to result in asking for help with it here?>

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Dagmar:

Not that we don't care, because well, we don't, but that there's maybe two people that hang in here total who have gone that route

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JEDIDIAH__:

mini's are more powerful and better equipped to do HD ( h264 HD)

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Dagmar:

If you're Apple and have the magic assembly codez

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JEDIDIAH__:

AppleTV's have nvidia chips. possibly an advantage. better drivers and whatnot.

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JEDIDIAH__:

1gz moble pentium whatever vs. C2D 1.83Gz+

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Dagmar:

Again, if you're Apple

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Dagmar:

If you're some random schmo trying to use gcc to compile the code under Linux, yer boneed.

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JEDIDIAH__:

there is no great mystery to using an intel processor...

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JEDIDIAH__:

no worse than any other C2D with an i945 in it.

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tank-man:

how much is an appletv?

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JEDIDIAH__:

$220

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Tacroy1:

Is there a good, thorough guide on how to set up EIT somewhere?

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Tacroy1:

I've been looking around on the Internet and I haven't been able to find anything

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iamlindoro:

The whole point of EIT is that there's nothing to set up

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iamlindoro:

but since you appear to be in the US, give up now

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Tacroy1:

But I wanna save $20/year!

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iamlindoro:

Ugh, and on that note I'm out of this conversation

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Tacroy1:

Hehe

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Tacroy1:

Well at this point, I'd like to set it up just to know why it won't work right now.

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iamlindoro:

It won't work right now because you're in the US

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iamlindoro:

EIT in the US is abysmal or absent entirely

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iamlindoro:

if you've set your listings source to be on-air guide and aren't getting EIT, then there's none to get

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Tacroy1:

Ah but the thing is I'm not entirely certain I've actually managed to set that.

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iamlindoro:

You just set your listings source to "use on air guide." the end.

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Tacroy1:

Would that be in Video Sources in mythtv-setup?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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Tacroy1:

Hmm

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iamlindoro:

I'll wait for one of our surlier, more motivated userabusers to explain to you why this is monumentally silly, I have burgers to make

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iamlindoro:

This sounds like a job for Dagmar

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iamlindoro:

dagmardagmardagmar

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dragonbyte:

JEDIDIAH__: the tv hookup is what concerns me with the mac mini

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sphery:

$20/yr = $1.67/mo = $0.42/wk = $0.055/day... If I had a nickel for every time someone in the US asked how to get free listings to save $20/yr, I'd have a free year of Schedules Direct

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JEDIDIAH__:

the mac mini just has a DVI port much like any other DVI port... various adaptors and Xorg tweaks are involved.

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Tacroy1:

Yeah but at this point I want to do this for spite.

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JEDIDIAH__:

some TV's are more well mannered and don't require any futzing.

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sphery:

Tacroy1: even if you happen to be one of the few people in the US who is a) using OTA reception (as cable co's almost universally do not provide EIT data so you use their equipment) and b) happen to live in an area where the interesting OTA stations actually send out EIT data, it will differ from channel to channel and even within the channel over time meaning that duplicate matching is basically useless, meaning that you'll ...

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sphery:

... have a glorified VCR.

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Tacroy1:

Hooray!

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sphery:

Tacroy1: Do yourself a favor and sign up for the free 1wk trial at Schedules Direct and make yourself a believer. And, if you want to go to the trouble, feel free to try to sign up for new 1wk trials each week (and waste an amount of time that's worth far more than $20/yr)

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Tacroy1:

That's exactly what I want!

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dragonbyte:

JEDIDIAH__: i'm not a fan of futzing with xorg :)

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sphery:

Tacroy1: so, why not just use cron

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Tacroy1:

I should use cron to automate signing up for a free 1 week trial?

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Tacroy1:

That sounds like fun too actually.

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sphery:

sure... of course, I'm not promising that SD won't notice (especially since some of the people running SD are in this channel)

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Tacroy1:

I wouldn't do that anyway, it's kind of a jackass sort of thing to do.

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sphery:

but, hey, if you really can't afford $20/yr, you should /not/ be wasting money on a Myth box

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sphery:

(let alone wasting time watching TV :)

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Tacroy1:

Anyway, it would be trivial to notice that one IP address keeps on getting new free trials

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sphery:

And, the whole "information wants to be free" argument is just plain wrong (and completely at odds with most respectable FOSS projects)

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sphery:

so, there's no good reason not to sign up

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Tacroy1:

But okay, so if EIT were working, what options would I get on the "scan configuration" page? All I can do is a full scan, and I don't get any channel names.

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Tacroy1:

Does that mean that EIT is just not working, or that I've misconfigured something?

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sphery:

and after you do, you'll be so impressed that you'll say, "I can't believe that I'm paying /only/ $20/yr to get the same data that TiVo customers pay $15/mo to get!!!"

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JEDIDIAH__:

TV's send some really freaky PnP information.

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Tacroy1:

I know, you don't have to convince me, I realize that I'll probably end up paying for Schedules Direct.

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Tacroy1:

It's just I want to see if there's anything funky in my configuration right now, and this seems like a reasonable thing to work out.

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sphery:

Tacroy1: if EIT is working (and available), you'll get /listings/ data (available in the guide). The lack of channel names seems to imply that you're getting your TV from cable, right?

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sphery:

if so, there's no EIT

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Tacroy1:

That's the thing though, I don't know if this is due to lack of EIT or due to I've misconfigured something.

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sphery:

(Why would a cable co give you free programming listings in a standard format when they could instead embed it in an encrypted/encoded/non-standard format that only their STB's can access?)

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iamlindoro:

And if you're trying to get digital cable from your UC Irvine campus cable, give up again

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Tacroy1:

Give up on which?

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sphery:

or, put another way, it's a lot more efficient for a cable company that's trying to put together software to present an EPG to put all the EPG data in one location rather than scattered over every channel (meaning the STB has to tune every channel to get it)

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iamlindoro:

getting digital from any campus' cable

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Tacroy1:

Getting the cable, or getting the EIT information?

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iamlindoro:

And as a derivative, EIT

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JEDIDIAH__:

Like anything else with Linux, it's always best to see what others have used and what sort of finaegle they had to go through (HDTVs).

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JEDIDIAH__:

3 HDTV's were fine with Linux, the 4th was a problem.

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Tacroy1:

Ohhhh

[02:03:36]

Tacroy1:

Geez there should be an error message or something.

[02:03:54]

iamlindoro:

An error message about what?

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JEDIDIAH__:

ultimately it's about the "video card" rather than whether or not a fruit is stamped on the case.

[02:03:58]

Tacroy1:

I've been trying to get information that only comes in over a digital stream on an analog stream

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sphery:

Tacroy1: if you can tune the channels and can schedule a recording on the channel and you've checked the "Use on-air guide" in the video source and you have /not/ unchecked the "use on-air guide" checkbox on the individual channels, EIT is working (or would if it were there)

[02:04:23]

iamlindoro:

It's rude to pop up error messages telling the user he doesn't know what he's doing

[02:04:31]

Tacroy1:

But it saves so much time!

[02:04:37]

Tacroy1:

Also: yelling.

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iamlindoro:

That's what IRC is for

[02:04:49]

Tacroy1:

But IRC yells back :(

[02:05:04]

iamlindoro:

Exactly

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iamlindoro:

shame is an excellent motivator

[02:05:23]

Dagmar:

iamlindoro: But wouldn't it save so much time?

[02:05:47]

Tacroy1:

Well then, that makes things easier

[02:05:51]

Tacroy1:

Free trial, here I come!

[02:05:52]

Dagmar:

Give the user nothing but freetext fields, and the moment then enter something insane, just pop up a dialog saying "Please find a grown-up to help you with this." and then exit..

[02:05:58]

Dagmar:

s/then/they/;

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dragonbyte:

JEDIDIAH__: the 40Gb fruitTV is cheap

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sphery:

cheap is a terrible way to decide on hardware for a frontend

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sphery:

(unless you're doing analog SDTV)

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dragonbyte:

I don't HDTV

[02:09:34]

dragonbyte:

have HDTV even

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sphery:

but how long will you have access to analog signals?

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Dagmar:

Okay so there's now a movie about two spies who plan to steal 40 million from a large financial firm

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sphery:

And (since it seems you're in the US), when analog is gone, many of the digital channels will be HDTV

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Dagmar:

How does this film NOT have a bit in the middle where the CEO for the company says "Try harder, noobs"

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sphery:

and you'll still have to decode it on the frontend in real time--even if you're playing it on an SDTV

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sphery:

unless you get a digital converter box

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Tacroy1:

Eh, this is university cable

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Tacroy1:

They probably won't change it forever

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Tacroy1:

And also I think this card has dual tuners

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sphery:

that was actually meant for dragonbyte

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Tacroy1:

Oh well have fun with that then

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elmojo:

Does svn trunk require QT 4.4 for certain screens?

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elmojo:

I'm running Ubuntu Hardy (8.04) which has QT 4.3

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elmojo:

When I press the 'U' key in the PBB screen I get the message "Sorry, this screen requires Qt 4.4 or greater"

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Anduin:

elmojo: the detail screen relies on the webkit stuff

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kormoc:

elmojo, didn't you answer your own question there?

[03:15:54]

Anduin:

I don't know if it has been resolved, originally 4.3 was the target

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iamlindoro:

From speaking to gbee earlier, there was no indication that the program details screen would be changing any time soon

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elmojo:

the wiki mentions Qt 4.3 would be the minimum

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elmojo:

kormoc: that's why I was asking :)

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iamlindoro:

wikis rely on people to keep them up to date, most people making the changes prefer to devote energy to making them

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elmojo:

OK, then kormoc is correct that I answered my own question already

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elmojo:

thanks for the clarification

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iamlindoro:

:)

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pepperjack:

anyone have a good opinion of the new open source drivers for ati? ive never used ati before but ive always heard good things about their 2d performance. looking for a new mb with onboard vid

[03:21:02]

pepperjack:

or should i just go with latest intel chipset

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elmojo:

Anduin: configure verifies the requirement for having webkit 4.4 or greater, "if $(pkg-config --atleast-version 4.4.0 QtWebKit) ; then"

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elmojo:

Anduin: thanks for pointing that out

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** elmojo hates having to upgrade distro now :( **

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Anduin:

when multirec fails it is confusion

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durin42:

Hi all, I've got a MythTV setup working most of the time, but a couple of times now it claims to have recorded, but appears to have saved no mpg file. What can I do to diagnose this? I've already looked in /var/log/mythtv/ and the log file indicates it recorded as expected.

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durin42:

Note that this isn't a case of the show not recording: the recording appears in both mythweb and mythfrontend, but there's no file there.

[03:32:58]

durin42:

Also, I'm far from out of space, as the machine indicates I have 23 gigs free, and comparable episodes of the missing show use 4.4 gigabytes.

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** elmojo should never again ask questions while under the influence of Nyquil **

[03:33:28]

phunyguy:

prolly not permissions, huh...

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durin42:

It's happened twice randomly, different shows and days of the week both times.

[03:33:57]

phunyguy:

hmm

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durin42:

Other recordings on the same day have worked, which is why I'm really stumped.

[03:34:56]

phunyguy:

no clue, dude..

[03:35:09]

durin42:

Any idea where I should start looking?

[03:35:14]

phunyguy:

...mmm – Nyquil...

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JpSSgtRock:

Hi, all

[03:41:46]

JpSSgtRock:

I'm looking for help in figuring out why a Hauppage 1600 is not initializing

[03:42:01]

JpSSgtRock:

It shows up with 'lspci'

[03:42:19]

JpSSgtRock:

all of the drivers are there when I check 'lsmod'

[03:42:40]

JpSSgtRock:

However, I'm getting a failure to initialize the card in MythTV.

[03:42:56]

JpSSgtRock:

Can anyone help me figure out what I should check next?

[03:42:58]

Lexridge:

JpSSgtRock: Are you loading the firmware files?

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JpSSgtRock:

Lexridge; I believe so.

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Lexridge:

a dmesg will tell you for sure.

[03:43:48]

JpSSgtRock:

What should I look for in dmesg?

[03:44:30]

JpSSgtRock:

'lsmod' shows cx18, cx2341x, etc. all loading.

[03:44:38]

JpSSgtRock:

loaded, I should say.

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Lexridge:

something like this: cx18–0: loaded v4l-cx23418-apu.fw firmware V00120000 (141200 bytes)

[03:45:52]

JpSSgtRock:

Yep, got that.

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Lexridge:

There should be three of them, I believe.

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JpSSgtRock:

FW version 0.0.074.0

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JpSSgtRock:

cpu, apu,, and dig.fw, correct?

[03:46:39]

Lexridge:

yea

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JpSSgtRock:

I should mention that this was displaying TV this evening before I started trying to figure out the best combination to describe my infrared devices.

[03:47:53]

JpSSgtRock:

Currently set to Windows MCE USB blaster and Windows MCE remote, new version.

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Lexridge:

humm, not much help from me when it comes to infrared. I've not had good luck in that arena.

[03:48:51]

JpSSgtRock:

Neither have I. Trying to get this thing to talk to a Dish system. FINALLY got it to change channels, but it keeps locking up for some reason.

[03:49:20]

JpSSgtRock:

Don't know if the failure to initialize is related or not.

[03:49:42]

Lexridge:

I was trying to do the same thing, but I needed two instances of lirc running, and could never make that happen.

[03:50:06]

JpSSgtRock:

Sigh.

[03:50:21]

Lexridge:

have you tried doing a full power down so the 1600 can do a hardware reset?

[03:50:26]

JpSSgtRock:

I just want to get the first one up. I'll worry about the second later. :)

[03:50:39]

JpSSgtRock:

Powered down, moved it to a different slot even.

[03:51:04]

Lexridge:

have you looked at /var/log/messages?

[03:51:10]

JpSSgtRock:

At this point, I'm tempted to delete the card from the database and reconfigure it.

[03:51:15]

JpSSgtRock:

What should I look for there?

[03:51:31]

JpSSgtRock:

I didn't see anything obvious when I looked at it earlier.

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Lexridge:

any failures when the cx-18 driver is loading...well, actually those would probably show up in dmesg as well.

[03:52:12]

Lexridge:

so the error is being reported by the backend?

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JpSSgtRock:

Nope, I see the "firmware: requesting..." messages in /var/log/messages. No apparent failures.

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JpSSgtRock:

BTW, I can confirm that the the error is reported by the backend.

[03:53:26]

JpSSgtRock:

I see it in the log when I look at Mythweb.

[03:53:36]

JpSSgtRock:

"Card 7 init failed"

[03:54:47]

JpSSgtRock:

Sorry, "Card7 failed init"

[03:55:55]

Lexridge:

can you connect to the card with mplayer or vlc?

[03:56:15]

JpSSgtRock:

Haven't tried. What's the syntax for either one?

[03:56:39]

Lexridge:

dunno off the top of my head. It's been months since I've tried it.

[03:57:21]

JpSSgtRock:

nm.

[03:57:34]

JpSSgtRock:

VLC has a nice front end for it.

[03:58:03]

JpSSgtRock:

Gotta go, better half is calling me for her nightly back scratch. Thx for the help! :)

[03:58:10]

Lexridge:

sure thing

[03:58:13]

JpSSgtRock:

I'll dig into it further at a later point.

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GreyFoxx:

mn

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GreyFoxx:

:(O

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Lexridge:

Anyone know why I cannot get Schedules Direct to populate my local off-air HD channels? I have matched the ID under the Channel editor, but still no go.

[04:01:24]

iamlindoro:

have you looked at the time period at the very very end of your schedule?

[04:01:24]

Lexridge:

I mean, the channels show up in the Program Guide, but programing is Unknown.

[04:01:36]

iamlindoro:

pull up the guide on mythweb for two weeks from today and check

[04:01:49]

iamlindoro:

if it's there, re-run mythfilldatabase with --refresh-all

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Lexridge:

okay.

[04:02:14]

iamlindoro:

which should refresh pretty much everything (or in the worst case will at least fill starting midnight tonight

[04:02:19]

iamlindoro:

)

[04:02:55]

Lexridge:

It is Unknown all the way to the end.

[04:03:16]

iamlindoro:

try --refresh-all anyway

[04:03:20]

iamlindoro:

and see how it looks after

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Lexridge:

okay. It takes a while to run.

[04:03:37]

iamlindoro:

this assumes you've set the xmltvids right and that those same id's exist somewhere in one of your lineups at SD

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iamlindoro:

--refresh-all will take even longer ;)

[04:03:58]

Lexridge:

lovely

[04:04:25]

Lexridge:

lemme double check that right now before I start the refresh

[04:05:25]

Lexridge:

yup, everything matches. All three that is ;)

[04:07:04]

Lexridge:

okay, mythfilldatabase is doing a refresh. I'll let you know the results in an hour.....the damn DishNet crap takes forever. I need to edit out all the extras some day.

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GreyFoxx:

\li~p8 bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb./;;v

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GreyFoxx:

Every URL said in any channel I'm in ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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GreyFoxx:

~

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** kormoc raises an eyebrow **

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tank-man:

im guessing he clicked on britney.exe

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clever:

on ocasion my X server drops a key release event

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clever:

so keys get 'stuck' repeating

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clever:

its mainly a problem when control gets stuck since it makes it imposible to type/click anything

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clever:

and it wont go away

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Lexridge:

iamlindoro: It just finished, and I still have "Unknown" programming material. :(

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Lexridge:

Perhaps SD is not yet receiving data for off-air DT broadcasts in my area. Is there any way to check the listings on the SD website?

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myth is now known as elmer

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elmer:

myth only uses a fraction of my drive space, but I can't find how to change the maximum storage size for tv recordings.

[06:03:15]

elmer:

hmm, seems awfully quiet here.

[06:04:22]

sphery:

Translation of "Trouble getting manually added QAM channel to recieve": When I type garbage data into Myth's channel editor instead of scanning for my digital channels, they don't work

[06:04:40]

sphery:

And, how is that a Myth problem if you're not using Myth's channel scanner?

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elmer:

does anyone have a hint on what to search for? I have tried everything I can think of, even poking through the mysql database

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tank-man:

try going thru the options from the gui, not dirrectly modifying the db

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elmer:

the closest thing I see is 'extra space' which seems to be space that myth would reserve for extra recording space (in gb) but this was not anywhere near what should be available.

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wagnerrp:

elmer: myth will record and store up to the amount of free space you have set, at which point it will either stop recording, or start auto-expiring

[07:17:13]

wagnerrp:

now 'livetv' recordings will auto-expire after a number of days, rather than when you run out of storage space

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justinh:

bugger. was gonna look at the PBB menu code today but I've left my laptop at home

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justinh:

dustybin: no, mythtv isn't a 'product' :)

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justinh:

ah. select name from channel where useonairguide=1; has just given me a list of channels that should only be using xmltv. so THAT is likely why I couldn't record something that was reported as 'single record – not listed'. ffs why would I have done that?

[07:26:55]

justinh:

well, I need to rescan today anyway so I'll sort it out when I do that

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justinh:

pfft. no channel icon for discovery quest

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justinh:

ruh? doesn't even launch til May

[07:46:49]

justinh:

nuts to it. DELETE

[07:50:29]

justinh:

eh? uk_rt reckons uktv style is on there. I don't think so...

[07:51:25]

justinh:

no, it's not FTA. thought as much

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justinh:

no xmltvid for dave+1 either

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Dibblah:

justinh: Yes there is.

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Dibblah:

Base channel is dave.uktv.co.uk

[08:02:43]

Dibblah:

So the plus-1 is tsod.plus-1.dave.uktv.co.uk

[08:03:00]

Dibblah:

(Assuming you have a recent xmltv set)

[08:03:30]

Dibblah:

Yes, finally +1 channels are treated as shifted duplicates by xmltv :)

[08:03:54]

Dibblah:

Or rather, can be, depending on user configuration.

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elmer:

wagnerrp: The things in my scheduled recordings are being deleted, I only see 3 or 4 things on the recordings list, and (somewhere) i saw a percentage free that said I was using about 80% of my space on recordings, but the drive is only 10% full

[08:05:24]

elmer:

for some reason myth thinks I am only allocating about 100 gb of my 500gb free space

[08:06:15]

elmer:

ohh, wait, I get it... it's looking at the wrong logical volume group...

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elmer:

lv0 is nearly full

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wagnerrp:

well there you go...

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elmer:

Now I know where to start looking in the docs...

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justinh:

Dibblah: just figured that out while I was away but thanks :)

[08:08:20]

clever:

i think i found out why my master backend is so slow at scheduling

[08:08:30]

clever:

mysql is creating temporary tables on nfs!

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Dibblah:

Well, don't bloody put your /tmp on nfs, then...

[08:11:02]

clever:

or point mysqld towards the dedicated db filesystem

[08:17:31]

elmer:

I wonder if the docs should mention that. MythDora created a separate Logical Volume, but myth setup asks where to put recordings without knowing about it.

[08:18:28]

justinh:

ruh? XMLTVConfig entry in settings table missing, falling back to old behavior

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justinh:

I bloody HATE having to do all this jiggerypokery every 5 minutes

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justinh:

gonna have to redo it in May too

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justinh:

when yet another channel shites its pants & decides that changing its number will increase its ratings

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justinh:

damnit. this backend machine is just WAY too slow since I upgraded distro

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kavorka:

hi guys, is this an good choice for taking advaantage of vdpau? http://au.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=2& . . . 790&l4=0

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kavorka:

im restricted by the low profile requirement

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clever:

edited the my.cnf to use the database filesystem for temp files

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clever:

and made another /tmp/ under it with normal perms

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wagnerrp:

kavorka: seems acceptable, if perhaps a bit loud

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kavorka:

wagnerrp: im really worried about that...are these things that loud? unfortunately low profile, 512mb with heatsink dont exist...fan only

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clever:

now to fix my frontend

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clever:

i unpluged the VGA from the tvout card and now its just :0.0 without a .1

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clever:

so the xsession script is crashing

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justinh:

why don't you just save us all some earache & unplug the lot?

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wagnerrp:

kavorka: is this a combined machine? or a frontend only?

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clever:

i removed several pounds of KVM cabling

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kavorka:

wagnerrp: front end only....backend is on the other side of the house....and my couch is about 3m from the frontend

[08:29:18]

wagnerrp:

well if its a frontend only, it can be put into standby, so a bit of noise isnt a big problem when the tv is going

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kavorka:

standby? does the speed of the fan vary as needed? or is it constant speed?

[08:31:11]

tank-man:

standby aka suspend to ram

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wagnerrp:

i would assume it were constant speed

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wagnerrp:

and yes, you put it in standby, all fans shutdown and the machine becomes silent

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wagnerrp:

you would only make noise when running the TV (and playing sound) anyway

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clever:

reschedule is still taking 60+ seconds :S

[08:32:08]

wagnerrp:

just make sure your receiver supports wakeup

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kavorka:

wagnerrp: i have a script that powers off the pc from my remote.....waking it up via ir is a project for another day

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wagnerrp:

kavorka: no need to power off, just put it in standby

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kavorka:

i thought that wasnt possible....ie i have a usb ir receiver

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kavorka:

wagnerrp: interesting....ill give that card a try and look into it

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wagnerrp:

assuming youre using a USB receiver, and your board supports wake-on-usb, it should 'just work'

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kavorka:

ok let me google it...not sure if it does...brb

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wagnerrp:

should be a setting in the bios

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wagnerrp:

or, it may be a jumper near the rear usb ports

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wagnerrp:

if it provides standby power to USB, you should be able to wake up with it

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kavorka:

its a hp vectra dc7100

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wagnerrp:

i wouldnt know what that means

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kavorka:

all good...ill look into it...thanks for the help

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justinh:

jesus. 15 virtual tuners & I have a conflict

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clever:

the first time i noticed standby power to my atx keyboards, was when the capslock led wouldnt fully turn off(with system on&off)

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justinh:

pfft. who scheduled 'All Star Family Fortunes' to record at any time on any channel? The sooner we get multi-user support the better!

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justinh:

if channel.name like "%itv%" delete from record; :P

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Dibblah:

justinh: I think that recording profiles would help with that.

[08:49:44]

Dibblah:

ie the current "schedule recordings" screen with a defaults list.

[08:50:26]

justinh:

how the eff is this possible? itv2+1 is one of those tsid plus-1 channels, yet 'match description' as a duplicate rule isn't preventing the same show being recorded from itv2 AND itv2+1

[08:51:07]

Dibblah:

Subtitle then description rule?

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justinh:

only using the description

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justinh:

cos there's no subtitle.

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Dibblah:

Oh, wait – They overlap?

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Dibblah:

As in one recording at least has an extension?

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justinh:

if there was a subtitle it'd be "Yet another banal show featuring BRAINLESS people"

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justinh:

end late.. nobody wants to miss the end of All Star Family Fortunes !

[08:53:12]

justinh:

screw it. cancelled the schedule

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justinh:

I can deal with the heat from that later

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Dibblah:

Yes. AFAIR, the scheduler has an issue with programs where the start / end overlap.

[08:54:07]

Dibblah:

ie it doesn't mark in oldrecorded until the recording has finished.

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justinh:

hmm. I guess the scheduler doesn't really know about timeshifted channels

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justinh:

wonder if I could solve it by making the callsigns the same

[08:56:05]

Dibblah:

I'm not sure, but I really don't think that's a good plan.

[08:56:31]

justinh:

hey if it makes more ITV recordings fail inexplicably I'm all for it

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Dibblah:

OT: http://www.european-street-painting.com/displ . . . %20eyes.html

[08:56:57]

Dibblah:

... Some people have waaay too much imagination to be sane.

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justinh:

I can't get a fscking decent watch in these days, what with all the ITV shite she records

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justinh:

whoops. itv2+1 is the same channum as ITV

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Penfold:

shame :D

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justinh:

sod it. one less ITV channel won't harm anybody

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justinh:

delete from channel where name="ITV2 +1";

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Penfold:

although being able to use timeshifted channels for scheduling would be way handy – one of my pet beefs about sky+ is it not being able to go 'you're already recording two things but i found a timeshifted version of $otherthingyouwant on a +1 channel....'

[09:00:06]

Dibblah:

Personally, I wouldn't do that.

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Dibblah:

I would just set it to hidden.

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cityLights1:

hi , guys

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cityLights1:

what does it mean that I see a gren screen in live TV ?

[09:01:06]

cityLights1:

I can see tv fine in tv-time

[09:01:11]

justinh:

that show does my head in, the way all the 'celebs' are so brainless. "we asked 100 people to name words that begin with the letter A.".. 'celeb' then humms & harrs for a while.. before suggesting "Bee?".

[09:01:31]

cityLights1:

justinh

[09:01:47]

justinh:

it means you've not configured something right

[09:02:07]

justinh:

look in your logs

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cityLights1:

in the backend or front end?

[09:02:16]

justinh:

whatever

[09:02:23]

cityLights1:

o ok

[09:03:08]

cityLights1:

I 4got, how to get realtime thread to work. is it a kernel thing?

[09:03:52]

justinh:

it's a RTFM thing actually

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Dibblah:

Heh.

[09:06:22]

** Dibblah loves the way that the cable companies in the US are using the digital switchover as an excuse to turn off analog channels :) **

[09:06:53]

justinh:

evolution.. taking advantage of the ignorant :)

[09:07:09]

justinh:

it's immoral for sure but hey – never let that get in the way of profit

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k-man:

how can i record any program that has the word "arabic" in any of its fields, but is not titled "arabic news"

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justinh:

bollocks. didn't want to delete itv2+1 since it's still in the xmltv config file – so it'd get added as a useless blank anyway

[09:10:20]

justinh:

there's got to be a better way of marrying this stuff together

[09:11:05]

justinh:

it

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justinh:

it'd help SD users too

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`sol:

hi

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`sol:

I got mythtv compiled succesfully :}

[09:11:59]

justinh:

hey I wanna be first in the channel's nick listing!

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justinh:

me me me me me!

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`sol:

uh?

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justinh:

mister backtick

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`sol:

w00t

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`sol:

in other words mythtv records fine with plain hard drive set up? no raid whatsoever?

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`sol:

even with 4 recordings and playback simultaneusly?

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cityLights1:

"<justinh> it's a RTFM thing actually" I am diggin the wiki and can't find a clue. maybe an overlay thing

[09:17:32]

cityLights1:

I am using the bt878

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cityLights1:

and ati gfx card

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`sol:

cityLights1: is that one HD digital tuner?

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`sol:

so what's gonna happen with the analog tuners in the market? become obsolete en masse?

[09:20:54]

`sol:

because this transition is being done unlike anything else in the past. Mandatory digital upgrade for all citizens at once!!

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cityLights1:

sol: not just cheap SD frame grabber

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Dibblah:

cityLights1: Sounds like your output card doesn't support XV.

[09:31:22]

Dibblah:

Try the ATI drivers.

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cityLights1:

no way, its a ati 7500 R200

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Dibblah:

The binary ones. Then swear a lot and just buy an NV card.

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cityLights1:

closed source?

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cityLights1:

o ok

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cityLights1:

I got a nvidia 5200 here

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Dibblah:

I would suggest using that, then :)

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cityLights1:

pls help me understand are the 5200 cards better then the 6200 cause they have overlay?

[09:33:06]

cityLights1:

say I would want to buy an agp gfx card, what is the best bet? X1600?

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gbee:

only way to make this sort of transition is through mandatory changes, it's simply not feasible to keep both networks running at the same time a) Cost is just too high b) The signals would intefer with each other when at full power c) Governments want to make quick cash through selling the freed spectrum of frequencies

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Dibblah:

gbee: I call bull.

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cityLights1:

gbee

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Dibblah:

It _doesn't_ apply to cable.

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justinh:

just take advantage of green customers. there's no real harm done

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Dibblah:

cityLights1: Just because you're not getting answers, don't beg people who happen to talk.

[09:34:03]

justinh:

they're only customers who are a bit thick, bless em

[09:34:09]

cityLights1:

pls sugest what light window manager (not kde) to use with myth

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Dibblah:

Read the documentation.

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Dibblah:

Beginning to end.

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Dibblah:

Without skipping bits.

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gbee:

Dibblah: reasons for cable are even more pressing – Virgin Media reckon by switching off their analogue service they'll have bandwidth for 3x the content and the ablity to radically increase broadband speeds

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justinh:

feel free to ask questions about any subject or terminology in the docs you have trouble understanding

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justinh:

funny, we never get anybody here asking if we can explain the docs in more depth :P

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gbee:

cityLights1: use any window manager you want, doesn't matter to myth

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Dibblah:

gbee: That and removing the analog free stations.

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justinh:

Dibblah: that hardly anybody uses anyway. I mean.. they're all on the wrong frequencies anyway, the 5 analogue channels on Virgin

[09:37:09]

Dibblah:

Which is a bonus because it means that people have less incentive to connect 'foreign' equipment to the network.

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gbee:

isn't the ATI 7500 pretty old?

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cityLights1:

I am keeping quiet now

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gbee:

the binary driver only supports 9500, X330 + and Radeon HD + and newer

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cityLights1:

yet the remark Dibblah made about my Xv being not good does helpd

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justinh:

I bet very few people use the FM aerial connection either :)

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tank-man:

cityLights1, list of Window Managers http://xwinman.org/

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justinh:

ffs. just rescanned & all the +1 channels are resulting in dupe recordings

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gbee:

Aug 2001 for the 7500, so yeah, too old for the ATi official drivers, so the open source Radeon drivers are the only option

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justinh:

the title, subtitle & description are identical, so duplicates shouldn't be happening or does that only apply to stored & previous recordings?

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gbee:

justinh: if there are program ids then it ignores the subtitle/description

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gbee:

my guess is that you are being hit by the bug stuarta just fixed in trunk

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gbee:

there is no default authority in your database for the older channels

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gbee:

so you're ending up with mis-matching programids

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justinh:

pfff. use this rule except when we use a rule we don't tell you about :)

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justinh:

how do you mean 'older' channels?

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gbee:

yes, it's stupid and sucks

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gbee:

justinh: channels scanned in using an older version of myth or before they started broadcasting the default authority

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justinh:

so I'd need to delete the lot & do a full scan again then

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gbee:

or add the default authorities manually, they are after all just a url like the xmltvid

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justinh:

not that it'd necessarily help me cos the myth I'm using isn't equipped to deal with it, right?

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justinh:

since I use -fixes on my production system

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gbee:

no rescanning would work, stuarta's fix was just to not insert any programid if we didn't have a default authority for that channel

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justinh:

ah ok I'll have a dig after 10am when Book Of The Week has finished recording

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gbee:

and I'm still just guessing that this is your problem atm, it's easy to check though, compare programids for the two versions in the database

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justinh:

so they should be the same

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gbee:

yes, or one empty

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cityLights2:

If you run the 8.28 drivers directly on FC6 it will break. The fglrx 8.28.8 display drivers were the last main driver to support R200 generation graphics cards (Radeon 9000 / 9200).

[09:52:54]

justinh:

hrm. both empty

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gbee:

if they are both populated but different then mythtv thinks they are a different program and won't even use the subtitle/description checks

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gbee:

justinh: ok ... not the same problem, err I dunno

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justinh:

ah. might've fixed it

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justinh:

I think the duplicate detection setting just took a while to take hold & maybe the housekeeper had a part to play. all seems fine now

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justinh:

wonder if there's a nifty way we could bodge xmltvid lookups into the scanner

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sid3windr:

how does mythtv know if I have one channel on different inputs that they're equivalent? (so it can record off another tuner if one is in use)

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justinh:

callsign and/or channum

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gbee:

justinh: I'd actually use the services icon stuff, the information is already there too

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sid3windr:

justinh: aha, thanks!

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justinh:

wouldn't mind playing with auto-skipping shopping/junk channels too :D

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justinh:

btw am I the only one who gets sultana sports & TUTV crap when I scan?

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justinh:

are they not marked as encrippled properly or something?

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justinh:

or are they not really encrippled & they're just hidden by PID obsfurcation...

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gbee:

heh, Mandriva are building on the boot speed optimisations they did in 2009, apparently 2009.1 will boot to the desktop in 8 seconds on an Atom netbook

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gbee:

and I thought my Aspire One was fast at 16 seconds

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justinh:

oof. 1GB of DDR is gonna cost me dear

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ivor:

gbee: the slowness of the aspire boot is the bios post.

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ivor:

power on->init 7 seconds.

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ivor:

init-> desktop 8 seconds

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ivor:

wonder if they've managed to remove/reduce that on their atom netbook boot

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tank-man:

the eeepc has a bios feature called "boot booster"

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tank-man:

uses a 8meg patition to store some settings and booting is fast

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waxhead:

hey.. got an odd issue...

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waxhead:

when changing channels there's not EPG info, but you can see program info when setting up recording...

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gbee:

ivor: good point, hadn't really thought about that

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gbee:

most of the time I hit the power button as soon as I get out the AA1, by the time I've sat down or got out paperwork etc it's already booted

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ivor:

gbee: yeah its great isn't it. really fond of mine

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ivor:

probably the machine i use the most at the moment!

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gbee:

use my main desktop much more, but any time I'm away from the desk it's the AA1 in my hand

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gbee:

don't use my 15" laptop at all now

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ivor:

pondering upgrading the ssd at the moment

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gbee:

still want to get a proper bag/slip case for it, I've been meaning to do that for ages

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ivor:

i dont bother. its so small cheap and light I just throw it in any bag i'm carrying

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ivor:

or just carry it like a book

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gbee:

ivor: same, it's just that the bag I'm using is frankly oversized now

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gbee:

if I upgraded the SSD it would probably just be for speed reasons, I'm otherwise keeping everything I need on SD cards

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ivor:

ditto

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Cheavera:

How can i restore my frontend theme setting to default? I choose Project grayhem and openGL and i can get to the theme settings anymore

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gbee:

don't really need that much space, I'm hot hauling around a lot of large files

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sulx:

Cheavera: mythfrontend --help

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ivor:

gbee: I thought that until yesterday. when I was trying to get six kernel trees onto it and realised that's actually a lot of space!

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syn-a-pse:

hi! may be someone can help me, i try to compile mythtv 0.21 on zenwalk linux distro (slackware based) . but ld say me -lqt-mt is not found. i already installed qt3.3.8 and qt3.3.8-devel. i have libqt-mt.so file in /usr/lib/qt/lib .

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syn-a-pse:

anyone know this trouble solve ?

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ivor:

what does which qmake say

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ivor:

and qmake -v

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syn-a-pse:

qmake 1.07a (Qt 3.3.8b)

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justinh:

ahhh good ole zenega stuff. I slightly regret selling my S100 boxes now

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ivor:

ah its only qt4 that tells you where qmake is looking for qtlibs.

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justinh:

which qmake would tell you where it lives, I'd have thought

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ivor:

yeah but that'll just tell you the location of the qmake binary (although that would be interesting too) the qt4 one tells you which qt lib its pointing at.

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ivor:

syn-a-pse: have a look in your config.mak file

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ivor:

see what the QT_MAKE_... var is pointing

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ivor:

hmm, actually that might just be my hacked one. :)

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syn-a-pse:

no QT_MAKE_ in config.mak

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ivor:

syn-a-pse: on roundabout way. look in the makefile and see where the qt mkspecs files are that its pointint at

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ivor:

I'm sure there's a way to get qmake to tell you what its found and where but I cant remember.

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syn-a-pse:

i solved trouble. sorry for taking your time

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syn-a-pse:

and thanks for answers!

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justinh:

bluray disc sales to hit 100 million by Christmas. Is that all?!

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jduggan:

yea 100million isnt that much

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jduggan:

assumin thats a global figure

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jduggan:

not just .uk ;P

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justinh:

global

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justinh:

uk sales were about 4 million, biggest in .eu

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jduggan:

if they brought the prices down to marginally over DVD, i'd be tempted for new releases

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ivor:

I love my blu-rays

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ivor:

:)

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jduggan:

but i tend to buy alot of old movies on DVD, the ones that cost a fiver

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jduggan:

i wont be doing that with blueray for a while...

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jduggan:

;|

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justinh:

they could do discs for £2.99 without menus :)

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jduggan:

heh

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justinh:

makes you wonder how many man hours go into making these 'special edition 5 disc set' things

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mike3_:

I'm having some problems since i've upgraded to 0.21 . I'm finding it choppy during live or recorded TV when turning up or down the volume...

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justinh:

heheheh Skelmersdale could be left without any terrestrial telly in the digital switchover due to a planning snafu

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justinh:

hmmm. might have to make some snazzy custom record rules. like if title="Horizon" and description contains "Brian Cox" DO NOT RECORD – EVER

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mike3_:

this is driving me crazy. I have a 2.8 ghz intel with a gig of ram and it ran fine until I upgraded to the newest myth.

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justinh:

have you tried different video playback profiles yet? the new scheme of things takes a little getting used to

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mike3_:

justinh, i don't know.... how can I see where the new playback profiles are?

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mike3_:

i've tried normal

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mike3_:

and normal doesn't work

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mike3_:

and high just makes things worse

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Dibblah:

By "newest Myth" do you mean SVN? And what else did you upgrade at the same time?

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justinh:

he meant 0.21

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mike3_:

yep

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Dibblah:

gbee: Oh noes! You just broke postgres support! ;)

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justinh:

hmm. all the facebewk groups about Tux the penguin seem to be in favour of it. Might have to redress that

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gbee:

Dibblah: really? hmm, nothing in the QSqlQuery docs to suggest that :)

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Dibblah:

ISTR that was the reason for the convolutedness being there.

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gbee:

facebook groups about Tux? In favour of what?

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gbee:

Dibblah: well it runs contrary to what the QT docs say, but even if it's true, we don't support postgres anyway so let them whine :)

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justinh:

as in not opposed to the silly looking mascot.

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justinh:

can you tell I'm bored out of my tits?

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gbee:

really?

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justinh:

really. I'd be fiddling with code if I had my laptop with me today

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ivor:

nevery mind. 2 o-clock – nearly hometime for you isn't it?

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ivor:

:)

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justinh:

99 minutes to go!

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ivor:

now what am I going to do with all these power saving bulbs.....

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ivor:

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justinh:

wait til they get bright enough to be able to see your hand in front of your face?

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ivor:

meh

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justinh:

last cheap ones we bought for the house were rubbish

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justinh:

great for the bedside lamps though :)

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mnd-:

Hi, what package do I need to install to get the ubuntu tool to configure display resolution etc.? I've already installed ubuntu-desktop role but the icon "ubuntu xserver config" or sth. is disabled

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ivor:

oh honestly, lazy script kiddies. whats the point of sending me a rootkit thats not cross-platform.

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ivor:

finally managed to extract it. contains a mirc based ddos kit. :) complete with a license for mirc.

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laga:

i think mirc runs fine in wine

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ivor:

apparently I'd be "1Owned by mass&arctic" :P

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ivor:

it notifies on "dRoG", "fly", "Full", "Ion" and "sEx" sigh. bloody kids.

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ivor:

mnd-: no idea about ubuntu. you might want to ask on #ubuntu or similar.

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ivor:

justinh: 63 minutes?

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justinh:

roger

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justinh:

hahaha. seems a pwned MCE box is hitting my web server today

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** ivor rolls eyes. **

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ivor:

grim isn't it.

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ivor:

cant these kids go aout and get laid instead?

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justinh:

not if they don't have thousands of myspaz 'friends' I expect

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mike3_:

Anyone able to help me out. Seems my viewing of MythTV is choppy since I have updated to the newest release.

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sid3windr:

mythtv gui? or video

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mike3_:

whhen watching live tv or recordings

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mike3_:

when I start turning the volume up or down it chops up and delays for a second or two

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gbee:

enable 'extra audio buffering' and disable 'aggressive audio buffering'

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gbee:

mike3_: any patches applied, or clean release version?

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mike3_:

gbee, I just upgraded my ubuntu install to 8.10

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gbee:

ok, well start with looking at those two settings I mentioned, sure someone will be kind enough to explain where they can be found if you can't find them

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mike3_:

i found extra audio buffering which was already enabled. I can't seem to locate aggressive audio buffering though

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elmojo:

mike3_: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Menus/MythFrontend . . . etup/General details where aggresive audio buffering is located

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mike3_:

i found it

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mike3_:

it was disabled

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justinh:

whee my new telemetry circuit works over 600 metres of coax. nifty

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gbee:

mike3_: ok, well doesn't see like a mythtv configuration problem, I honestly have no idea of the cause

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gbee:

it's just changing the volume which causes the problem?

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justinh:

possibly displaying the OSD

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justinh:

that used to make my flea-pea ayeay box stutter like a bastard til I disabled the OSD fademove

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gbee:

that or a EM burst from the sound card interfering with the tuner :p

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gbee:

anyone have some mpa samples which include tags? title/artist/album/year/genre/track num?

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mike3_:

gbee, It's like my computer is to slow to handle everything now.

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gbee:

bin Ubuntu :)

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elmojo:

mike3_: what version of Ubuntu did you have before the upgrade to Intrepid

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elmojo:

mike3_: i'm actually upgrading from Hard to Intrepid as we speak

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sphery:

Nice... #6302 is a ticket against 0.20.2. (Probably some Linux MCE user...)

[15:53:03]

sphery:

Why do so many people think they need to manually enter digital channel information?

[15:53:59]

sid3windr:

because usually it doesn't work automatically? ;)

[15:54:19]

elmojo:

mike3_: could you run 'top' while the problem occurs to see if anything is hoggin the cpu?

[15:54:23]

sphery:

from what I understand, though, that's because they don't scan properly...

[15:54:24]

gbee:

usually it does

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sid3windr:

yeah, I have no experience – I only know that -for me- it doesn't ;)

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: you're "published", now: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/372926#372926

[15:55:37]

mike3_:

It's a Intel 2.8 Ghz with 1 Gig of mem and a built in Intel 830M Chipset vid card.

[15:55:44]

mike3_:

I don't understand why it would run slow

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gbee:

dodgy video driver maybe

[15:56:18]

mike3_:

gbee, It is an integrated video card but why since the upgrade did it start messing up.

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: heh, saw that

[15:56:34]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: Not that the HD-PVR wiki hadn't been "published" many times :)

[15:56:46]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: ah, or do you mean the theme?

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gbee:

dodgy video driver maybe

[15:59:54]

sphery:

I meant the theme guide... Guess I should have said, you're published /again/ :)

[16:00:38]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: Now there's pressure to actually finish it :)

[16:00:53]

iamlindoro_:

although I did pretty it up a bit last night

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gbee:

wait until the support requests start rolling in

[16:03:15]

gbee:

"graphite doesn't display the bitrate of my videos, why not?"

[16:03:33]

iamlindoro_:

All responses will be met with "suck it, write your own."

[16:03:34]

iamlindoro_:

;)

[16:03:51]

iamlindoro_:

s/responses/criticisms, support requests, "help"/

[16:04:35]

gbee:

"my uncle's third cousin Nora had a dog called Charlie, here is a patch to put his photo on the watch recordings page"

[16:08:08]

mike3_:

gbee, This is to much.. Honestly I'm very suprised it would be the video card... I guess I could upgrade it but what's the honest reason. Do you know what i mean. It worked before and now it doesn't? That doesn't make much sense..

[16:08:27]

gbee:

driver

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iamlindoro_:

I wonder why you keep saying card when he keeps saying driver

[16:08:54]

gbee:

it's a party piece

[16:08:55]

mike3_:

gbee, those haven't changed.

[16:09:10]

iamlindoro_:

same drivers interact differently with different cards

[16:09:26]

gbee:

so the upgrade of the distro hasn't changed the driver version at all?

[16:09:40]

mike3_:

gbee, not that I know of.

[16:10:01]

iamlindoro_:

not that I know of != not

[16:10:06]

gbee:

find that unlikely, but if that's true I have no ideas

[16:11:11]

gbee:

it's a system config/driver issue, but that equates to endless possibilities, only thing I can say is that it's almost certainly not myth's fault :)

[16:12:28]

mike3_:

:) Okay I will investigate into the drivers.

[16:14:00]

iamlindoro_:

gbee: How does the OSD menu editor thingie (which I admit I have not looked at yet) jive with a MythUI'able OSD? I find the idea of having to plan my OSD for whatever random permutations a user tries to create.... un-fun

[16:14:39]

gbee:

iamlindoro_: the editor just picks which options appear in the menu, they don't affect anything else

[16:15:23]

iamlindoro_:

gbee: ah, okay, that's good, I had misunderstood it them

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iamlindoro_:

then

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scotland60b:

hi all...

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scotland60b:

anybody have any experience with audio on PCHDTV-5500

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scotland60b:

Need help...have NTSC video but no audio.

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** JEDIDIAH__ wrote his own and no one cared. **

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sid3windr:

his own blank line?

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JEDIDIAH__:

the PCHDTV-5500 doesn't have one of those bt879 style dinosaurs in it does it?

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elmojo:

mike3_: your problem might be that Ubuntu Intrepid uses pulse audio instead of stock alsa

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iamlindoro_:

http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/02/24/how-to-a . . . s-media-cen/

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iamlindoro_:

uhhhhhh that article seems ill advised

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JEDIDIAH__:

mythtv can run on top of pulseaudio. It's just that pulseaudio is not quite yet ready for primetime in some respects.

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JEDIDIAH__:

mythtv is always an exercise getting linux in general working.

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mike3_:

elmojo, oh? How do I fix that?

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elmojo:

mike3_: i'm looking at it myself... i just upgraded and my sound seems to be a little off too

[17:45:47]

mike3_:

elmojo, My sound isn't off but my video lags when doing a volume up or down

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elmojo:

mike3_: spdif passthru works

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mike3_:

?

[17:46:23]

elmojo:

mike3_: i use my receiver to control volume so i don't use the internal mixer

[17:46:43]

elmojo:

mike3_: our problems might be unrelated... dunno

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mike3_:

i'm gonig to see about downgrading my video card drives. I just have to figure out how

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elmojo:

mike3_: if you search the ML and trac you'll find other people having issues with Intrepid and sound

[17:47:42]

elmojo:

mike3_: i'll let you know if I get this figured out

[17:47:46]

mike3_:

elmojo, okay

[18:01:04]

elmojo:

mike3_: turned out my problem was something I enabled in my xorg.conf at almost the same time I upgraded

[18:01:26]

elmojo:

mike3_: it's nvidia specific

[18:02:24]

elmojo:

mike3_: does the audio have a problem when you use the OSD for something else like hitting 'I' for info?

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tank-man:

with stereo sound and SD resolutions, ive never had problems with mythtv :)

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mike3_:

elmojo, It's not an audio issue I don't think. It's as if my video can't keep up if I'm doing anything else. The volume up and down was the first thing I noticed that causes these hiccups.

[18:37:27]

elmojo:

mike3_: just wanted to make sure.

[18:38:10]

elmojo:

mike_: what type of video out, decoder are you using for your video playback?

[18:38:44]

elmojo:

mike3_: just wondering if when you updated some libraries didn't get installed again

[18:39:13]

meshe:

have you tried a lower quality playback profile?

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elmojo:

mike3_: i would suggest checking the video playback profile and then running mythfrontend -v playback and ensuring that the correct video output, decoder, etc are being used

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mike3_:

elmojo, which playback profile should I be using? I have it on normal and that's the smallest you can get

[18:50:34]

elmojo:

mike3_: that totally depends on your hardware... if you'll answer a couple quick questions we can figure that out

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iamlindoro_:

slim

[18:50:49]

iamlindoro_:

almost *everyone* should be using slim

[18:52:03]

elmojo:

mike3_: do as iamlindoro suggests and try slim

[18:52:46]

iamlindoro_:

To clarify, if slim doesn't work, something else (usually video drivers) is wrong

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elmojo:

good advice

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iamlindoro_:

:)

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mike3_:

what?

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mike3_:

slim what?

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iamlindoro_:

Slim is the name of a playback profile.

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mike3_:

i have no profile called slim in their

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mike3_:

there

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sphery:

Slim is the best playback profile group for someone just starting with Myth

[18:57:56]

sphery:

and it's often the best for people who have been using Myth for a long time

[18:58:00]

sphery:

it's a playback profile group

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sphery:

you have one

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mike3_:

i don't... I will double check but I only had two profiles

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iamlindoro_:

you have broken DB then

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sphery:

if you don't, you deleted it and you need to do: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Playback_profiles# . . . ofile_groups

[18:59:01]

sphery:

(they're /groups/... groups consist of multiple playback profiles chosen based on specified criteria)

[18:59:04]

iamlindoro_:

Ah, yeah, didn't think about deleting the defaults, eep

[18:59:12]

sphery:

yep, they're just examples

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sphery:

and for some crazy reason, users change the examples rather than creating their own custom one

[18:59:39]

sphery:

mike3_: oh, and by the way, don't edit the examples after you reset them

[18:59:57]

mike3_:

sphery, okay let me fix this up

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sphery:

Either use the default configuration of them (really, only Slim is likely to be useful), or create your own custom one

[19:02:26]

mike3_:

oh what do you know I do have slim

[19:03:10]

mike3_:

I'll have to test this out later. I do have another problem I've wanted to address for a long long time. It seems all my recordings have a very dull color look to them. Any reason why this may happen? I havfe a PVR 150 Happauge card

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sphery:

mike3_: may need to adjust the recording hue/brightness/contrast (hit G during playback). Note that it's per-channel, so adjust on one, then to use the same settings for all, go to MythWeb's channel editor and copy/paste the values into text boxes for all other channels.

[19:13:04]

sphery:

(Oh, and--more importantly--make sure you're using S-Video (or at worst Composite) input if using an STB.)

[19:14:03]

mnd-:

hi, my remote's up/down keys work in mythtv but Ok and others don't, I guess I need to update the lircrc ?

[19:14:05]

gbee:

sphery: they edit the examples because the examples are editable

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mike3_:

sphery, I'm outputting to my tv using VGA

[19:17:38]

mike3_:

If I watched .AVI files with mythtv the color is perfect.

[19:18:03]

sphery:

gbee: guess, that makes sense...

[19:18:06]

mike3_:

it's only my recordings. Would this have antything to do with the profile I have set? What would you suggest for a profile using the card PVR 150

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gbee:

if we didn't want users editing the examples then they should be locked

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sphery:

mike3_: it's not the profile... If you have an old enough video card, it may support Xv picture controls (hit F during playback and adjust hue/brightness/contrast)

[19:19:07]

gbee:

that whole profile editing UI needs a lot of work, it's not really intuitive at all

[19:19:18]

sphery:

mike3_: otherwise, it's your recording settings (so edit with G as described above)

[19:19:57]

sphery:

gbee: yeah... I just don't like that people can edit the examples because then they tell other people, "I'm using <whatever> and it works great," but they don't remember that they edited <whatever>, so they're not helping.

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sphery:

I also want it to choose Slim (0.20-fixes-style software decode) by default, but danielk wants it to be Normal by default. However, due to a bug in the settings stuff it picks up CPU+ by default (which is one of the worst choices of all).

[19:21:30]

sphery:

I was going to fix it, but figured it's better to wait until settings goes mythui (because--as you mentioned--that part needs some modification)

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kormoc:

So if you renamed slim as normal, would you both be happy?

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

not until the bug is fixed

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kormoc:

hehe

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sphery:

Guess we could rename CPU+ as slim ;)

[19:22:23]

sphery:

or, really, rename slim to CPU+ (or just call Slim aaaSlim)

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iamlindoro_:

Slim++++

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sphery:

Yeah, actually, CPU+ gets chosen because a) the settings code tries to set Normal as the default, but a bug prevents it from working, and b) the code that uses the profile for playback uses CPU+ as the default. We could just change VideoDisplayProfile::GetDefaultProfileName() and it wouldn't fix the bug that prevents the settings-specified default from saving, but would make it choose the "right" default anyway. But, if I ...

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sphery:

... were to submit the patch, it would change it to Slim (which would mean that I'd have to also change the settings code to try to make /that/ use Slim, too, but it wouldn't work, and I have a thing about submitting a patch that leaves a bug :).

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mnd-:

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_abbenormal:

look at the cat /proc/bus/input/devices make sure the info is matched

[19:45:04]

_abbenormal:

but most would say make a new conf using irrecord

[19:45:34]

_abbenormal:

go to lirc site and read the faq file it does help

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Norrit__:

hmmm...trying to build 0.21 in Kubuntu 8.10. Configure complains missin freetype2....althought it should be installed...dev too

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_abbenormal:

dpkg -l freetype

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_abbenormal:

dpkg -l freetype also can use wild cards *

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_abbenormal:

or just do dpkg -l and scroll thru the list

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_abbenormal:

if its not there try apt-cache search freetype2

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_abbenormal:

if its not there try apt-cache search freetype

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_abbenormal:

looks like its maybe freetpe6 now

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Norrit__:

Yes...its is freetype6 now...and I have both...normal and dev installed

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justinh:

weird. frontend just had a weird playback issue. got it changing modes so that the aspect is correct on playback but for some reason the screen's active video area started a third of the way down the screen. rebooting fixed it :-\

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justinh:

I think I'm going to have to start working out a new rootfs for it

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Norrit__:

http://pastebin.com/d5fce0498

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mnd-:

uh, some buttons of my remote work in mythbuntu natively as a keyboard, but irw doesn't show anything

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JEDIDIAH__:

...anyone have any idea why trunk is trashing my non latin characters?

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sphery:

JEDIDIAH__: gentoo?

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JEDIDIAH__:

ubuntu

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sphery:

should be working, then

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sphery:

where are the characters getting corrupted?

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JEDIDIAH__:

the database works, trunk latest doesn't

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sphery:

(listings, plugin data, ...)

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JEDIDIAH__:

mythvideo, new video manager inserts garbage (although the logs look good), mythvideo also reads good cyrillic out of the database and garbles that.

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sphery:

that may not be done, yet...

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sphery:

I could especially imagine how it may corrupt data coming from scripts (such as tmdb.pl)--though I haven't seen this myself.

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Anduin:

JEDIDIAH__: this is using the kinox script?

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JEDIDIAH__:

this is legacy data.

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mike3_:

i need some suggestions. I am looking at my recording profiles to try to enhance the quality so it doesn't look so dull. Is there a recommendation for the PVR150?

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gbee:

iamlindoro_: http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/filmstrip.png

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Anduin:

JEDIDIAH__: how did the data get in there originally? trunk assumes previous versions put the data in there so assumes it was utf8 in a latin1 field

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iamlindoro_:

gbee: Nice! Is that a mimic, or your own?

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gbee:

my own

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iamlindoro_:

I like the idea a lot

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iamlindoro_:

oh!

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iamlindoro_:

Heh

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iamlindoro_:

and I just saw the icons

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iamlindoro_:

Is that to say you've got the UI portion done, or just mocking up?

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iamlindoro_:

(of the HD icon stuff)

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gbee:

mockup right now to test the idea

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iamlindoro_:

Cool

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justinh:

blimmineckers! :D

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justinh:

see inkscape's text alignment is still as good as ever ;)

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justinh:

ahh time to go walkies

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gbee:

ahh , yeah, centering is rubbish, should have top aligned those

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gbee:

fixed

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gbee:

thing is, that like most of my ideas, I'm not sure what I'd do with the other screens

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gbee:

but I'm relatively happy with the way that came out

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iamlindoro_:

My theme is proof you don't need a total concept

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iamlindoro_:

or artistic skill

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iamlindoro_:

or friends

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kormoc:

Whee! I can be a themer too!

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iamlindoro_:

Hey, I wrote the theming maual without ever having finished a theme, there's room for everyone!

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iamlindoro_:

manual

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dustybin:

iamlindoro_ has no friends?

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gbee:

JEDIDIAH__: pastebin the output of status; from mysql

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** JEDIDIAH__ is working on it. **

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GreyFoxx:

AHAHAHAHAHHAAH I was wondering how long it would take for someone to ask if they could use the new wallwarts as a backend

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GreyFoxx:

I just didn't think it would be so quickly :)

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iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx: whichwhatnow?

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GreyFoxx:

http://www.slashgear.com/marvell-sheevaplug-9 . . . art-2435556/

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iamlindoro_:

oh, heh

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GreyFoxx:

as soon as I saw the usb I figured usb tuners+drives... someone will want it to be a backend :)

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GreyFoxx:

Hey I got a new watch that runs linux... can I run mythfrontend on it ?

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JEDIDIAH__:

ok... had a utf8 table before. converted it. dropped the Russian names and redid them. They detect ok, but don't display right. although the right name gets sent to my external player.

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JEDIDIAH__:

did an innodb conversion, utf8 must have come along for the ride.

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sphery:

JEDIDIAH__: in trunk, all tables should have only utf8 text

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JEDIDIAH__:

ok, so the tables should be utf8?

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gbee:

in trunk, yes

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sphery:

JEDIDIAH__: though your best bet is to never mess with the schema--i.e. it's quite likely that the best course of action for you is to just start over...

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

GreyFoxx: Hey, it could be a frontend with a USB->VGA adapter... ;-) (hehe, not really, but somebody is sure to ask!)

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sphery:

might be able to salvage TV data with a partial restore

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sid:

I have a good motherboard, RAM, CPU, PSU, HDD, etc. My computer is fast, and it works. What do I need to make it a mythtv box? a nice case, a capture card, tv out card, and some ir thing?

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iamlindoro_:

sid: That's *generally* right, although your graphics card will likely be your TV out device, no need for anything special

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sid:

iamlindoro_: I see, and if I want to do hd capture, and hd out, that is possible as well?

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iamlindoro_:

the "some Ir thing" can be an IR receiver if you don't need to control a cable box, or an IR reciever and an IR blaster if you do

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sid:

yea, i need a cable box, doesn't everyone? I thought all the cable companies were evil and didn't allow cablecards to work on GNU/Linux?

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iamlindoro_:

sid: Depends on how you want to do your HD capture. There are many options if all you want is Over the air and non-encrypted cable. One option if you want to capture HD from a cable box, and pretty much any modern GPU should managet DVI->HDMI or component out for HD out

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JEDIDIAH__:

my "clean slate" version has the same (cyrillic) problem.

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sid:

iamlindoro_: So I can get any graphics card I want for dvi output, and it will display in HD on my HDTV?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

sid: And yeah, no cablecard stuff in Linux...

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iamlindoro_:

sid: Depending on which/how you capture your HD, the processor requirements may go wayyyyyyyy up

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iamlindoro_:

sid: We recommend nVidia most often, but ATI and Intel will do the job well too

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sid:

intel makes standalone graphics cards? Or you're talking onboard intel stuff?

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iamlindoro_:

onboard

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JEDIDIAH__:

HD capture seems to be enough to push my desktop box past it's breaking point. overheating I suspect.

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sid:

I wish they had standalone, I would probably buy that.

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JEDIDIAH__:

When I see one of my neighbors with a cablecard PC device I will eat my hat. Nevermind Linux, they aren't even lettting Windows in on the fun and it's got all of that built in DRM. Bill bent over for nothing...

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

JEDIDIAH__: Take a can of comressed air to the cpu heatsink... I'll bet you find a bunch of dust in there that you couldn't see... (Just don't let that fan spin out of control...)

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sid:

iamlindoro_: And if I want 5.1 surround sound, I just get some nice audio card?

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sphery:

JEDIDIAH__: how did you get the mythvideo data into the clean slate DB?

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iamlindoro_:

sid: It doesn't even have to be particularly nice, I just use the optical on-board and pass through to my receiver

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mamaro:

hello I trying to get mythtv setup, Using lsusb -v I see my pinnacle 801e listed. but then when I scan for channels I get'/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0': 2 No such file or directory. Which is true. What is the issue?

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JEDIDIAH__:

I did it both ways... with video mangler and a 3rd party tool.

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sphery:

(and I'm assuming the clean slate DB was either manually deleting all of the mythvideo tables and the mythvideo DB schema version and letting MV recreate them (which could still have "local" problems depending on the configuration of your DB) or by dropping the entire DB and using mc.sql to recreate the DB and then using mythtv-setup to create the schema)?

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JEDIDIAH__:

video manager appears to insert garbage.

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JEDIDIAH__:

my "clean slate" system is a fresh install of trunk inside of a virtual machine.

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sphery:

with a fresh DB?

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sphery:

it's the DB, not Myth, that's likely corrupt

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JEDIDIAH__:

fresh disk.

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mamaro:

hello I trying to get mythtv setup, Using lsusb -v I see my pinnacle 801e listed. but then when I scan for channels I get'/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0': 2 No such file or directory. Which is true. What is the issue?

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JEDIDIAH__:

the myth inside the vm was installed from scratch from a completely blank virtual disk.

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iamlindoro_:

mamaro: Four minutes is *too soon* to repeat yourself

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iamlindoro_:

mamaro: lsusb just means it's plugged in, not that it's set up right. Seek help setting up your card properly in #linuxtv. Once it works properly in linux, *then* you can start thinking about setting up MythTV

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JEDIDIAH__:

J@W, the system is probably too new for it to be a dust issue. I probably need a better cooling system.

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sid:

iamlindoro_: I see.

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JEDIDIAH__:

the usb "chipset" seems to be the only thing that cracks up under load/heat.

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sid:

iamlindoro_: What kind of sound system/receiver you use?

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sid:

iamlindoro_: What graphics card do you use as well?

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mamaro:

iamlindoro, okay thank you

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sid:

I'm not much of a hardware guy, is there a list of recommended cards on the website somewhere or something?

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iamlindoro_:

sid: I use a Sony 7.1 channel something or other, and various graphics cards, from onboard intel and nvidia, to a 9500GT on one system

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

JEDIDIAH__: Humm... Strange... I guess I've got tons of cooling on my system, so I've never run into that... (4x120MM fans on the system itself, and 2x80mm on the hdd cages too)

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iamlindoro_:

Also have an ATI 4850 that's out of the rotation right now but will probably go back in eventually

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JEDIDIAH__:

tons is right...

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JEDIDIAH__:

what temps do your cpus operate at?

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sid:

iamlindoro_: And capture card?

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sid:

How difficult is the install now a days? Can any idiot pretty much handle it now a days?

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JEDIDIAH__:

....hardware selection is everything. some choices are more idiot friendly than others.

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

JEDIDIAH__: Humm.. haven't checked... it's an Athlon X2 4800 in there now...

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iamlindoro_:

sid: Many capture cards, mostly from Hauppauge. Myth can be very easy to set up or very difficult, largely dependent on the user and how hard they make it for themselves

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JEDIDIAH__:

...can't imagine it being too hot with all those fans and that cpu...

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iamlindoro_:

sid: If you are not an advanced linux user then I highly recommend spending a fair amount of time picking your capture cards from the well supported ones, and a myth-specific distro

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JEDIDIAH__:

dunno about "myth-specific" but "myth-friendly" is defintely advisable.

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sid:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Video_capture_card ... from there?

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sid:

Should I go pci-e, usb, firewire, what? does it matter?

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JEDIDIAH__:

and "pick what's well supported" is good across the board... right to video card and TV.

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mzb_d800:

internal and yes

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JEDIDIAH__:

is there a "don't get this combination" page on the wiki?

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** JEDIDIAH__ is thinking of adding an entry **

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sid:

So for my average cable box, I have cablevision, and the modem is "scientific atlantic", I assume I can't do digital capture, it has to be analogue capture right? So I need an hd analogue capture device?

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sid:

And how do I find out if my cablebox does some assymetrical encryption or something with my tv?

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mzb_d800:

heh

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mzb_d800:

hd analogue?

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JEDIDIAH__:

...of which there is 1 (HD analog capture device that is)

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iamlindoro_:

mzb_d800: component video is HD analog

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mzb_d800:

wow ... scary

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** mzb_d800 notes never to use component **

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iamlindoro_:

mzb_d800: No reason not to

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JEDIDIAH__:

component is the only thing "open" to recording.

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iamlindoro_:

mzb_d800: 99% of people couldn't tell the difference between it and HDMI

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mzb_d800:

I'm just not going to go in that direction in the first place

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sid:

actually I don't think I even care about capture cards right now. I don't even watch tv anyway.

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iamlindoro_:

mzb_d800: Plus it's the only captureable HD output from a set top box

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sid:

I just want to manage my media

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gbee:

though with any digital to analogue to digital conversion there will be a loss of quality, no matter how small it might be

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JEDIDIAH__:

...except that component is a little trickier to deal with. "Ma, Why is everything on the Tee-vee green?"

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mzb_d800:

iamlindoro: you forget I'm .au ;) ... I don't have issues with encryption + STB's.

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gbee:

"It's the Teletubbies son"

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iamlindoro_:

mzb_d800: You also don't have 180000 channels :)

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mzb_d800:

I can't watch that much TV ;)

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iamlindoro_:

mzb_d800: So there's something lost and something gained

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mzb_d800:

true

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JEDIDIAH__:

I kid you not, my inlaws just had that very problem. Their HDMI cable was "too short" so they used component. One cable wasn't all the way in.

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JEDIDIAH__:

...makes you wonder how many naieve consumers will get bit if they decide to turn component off...

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JEDIDIAH__:

never overestimate "consumers"

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

JEDIDIAH__: I've never setup lm_sensors on this before... It doesn't identify the 3 sensors it found... but Temp 1/2/3 are 42c 31c and 16c ...

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JEDIDIAH__:

J@W sweet

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JEDIDIAH__:

that's not a PC, it's a FRIDGE

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iamlindoro_:

mzb_d800: All that said, I wouldn't mind the sane arrangement that some countries have, so long as I had the few shows that matter to me

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

JEDIDIAH__: I think the 16c is lying...

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JEDIDIAH__:

if 1 & 2 are at load then 3 is not unreasonable.

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JEDIDIAH__:

my cores idle at 45c

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

JEDIDIAH__: Ok, added -f, and have 102f and 88f ... ;-) Not sure of the load, let me pull up a top and/or check myth's current status... ;-)

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iamlindoro_:

mzb_d800: If the iTunes Store ever went to DRM free video and I could just subscribe to my favorites, in HD, at a reasonable bitrate, I'd be all over that in favor of cable "tiers"

[21:45:05]

iamlindoro_:

mzb_d800: (which presumes I could interface them with Myth)

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JEDIDIAH__:

the whole linux-hostile storefront would be a bit of a bother though.

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

JEDIDIAH__: Recording 3 programs now – but all hardware encoders or HD ATSC, so not much cpu there... but it is probably comflagging them in real time...

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

JEDIDIAH__: A-yup. ;-)

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JEDIDIAH__:

comflagging doesn't take much. transcoding does though.

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mzb_d800:

if I was that desperate for "real" entertainment (ie: not FTA), I'd get myself a sat card with CAM and a paytv card ... but FTA gives me enough to keep the family entertained.

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iamlindoro_:

mzb_d800: Generally the same here too-- network TV + maybe 3–4 shows on other channels do it for me

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JEDIDIAH__:

do they have DVD liquidation bins in Tesco or whatever the variant of Walmart is where you are?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

JEDIDIAH__: Yeah, no kidding, eh, 3 programs recording and commflagging in real time — cpu 0 is 84% idle, CPU1 is 85% idle... wow...

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mzb_d800:

I currently have DVB-T + FTA SAT where the SAT is basically 2 multiplexes * 5 (or so) regional differences

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iamlindoro_:

mzb_d800: Ah, so you finally got the sat working, eh?

[21:48:25]

mzb_d800:

yep, working well

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iamlindoro_:

nice

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JEDIDIAH__:

...I have my own stuff setup for systems and queue monitoring... php of my own.

[21:48:50]

JEDIDIAH__:

...quick and illuminating.

[21:48:54]

mzb_d800:

running the grabber separately for each region, then adjusting for time difference (another part of the grabber), and then getting mythfilldb to user the output.xml

[21:49:48]

mzb_d800:

so sometimes (for eg), something like "Dr Who" will get scheduled for "ABC Western Australia" (2 hours behind), rather than at the local viewing time.

[21:50:12]

mzb_d800:

I've had to reduce the number of DVB-T receivers just to test the theory ;)

[21:50:48]

JEDIDIAH__:

.... 3 commflagging jobs on this box going at ~ 75fps apiece and total load is less than 25% of a core.

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mzb_d800:

going to have to get some more RG6 methinks ... working on friend's mythtv box (all-in-one M10K). Just put a Dvico dual tuner in it and it works _perfectly_ on a pair of rabbit ears! (FFS!!!)

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mzb_d800:

it can record on both tuners and still watch live ... I'm impressed that a little box can do so much

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mzb_d800:

although, haven't figured out divx playback during record ... that's part of today's mission (hopefully this baby goes back to it's owner tonight)

[21:54:42]

mzb_d800:

anybody tried mythwelcome + suspend/resume on an M10K (with success?)

[21:56:10]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

ugh... that sux... picked up a couple of Pinnacle PCTV HD Mini Stick (80e) tuners at the CircuitCity liqudation... and they don't work with Linux... And likely never will according to linuxtv.org... so I guess they go up on fleabay!!!

[22:01:23]

mzb_d800:

the dual tuner I've put in has a wake-up function for the IR. I'm interested, but not sure if I wan't to spend too much time on it ;)

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Exposure:

I get 100% cpu usage on HD channels and about 5–15% cpu usage on SD channels

[22:26:25]

Exposure:

am I missing something?

[22:27:04]

iamlindoro_:

MOAR MEGAHURTZ

[22:27:33]

sphery:

Exposure: what processor?

[22:27:54]

sphery:

Exposure: what video card and what drivers?

[22:28:13]

Exposure:

core2duo, nvidia 7600

[22:28:22]

sphery:

nvidia proprietary drivers?

[22:28:26]

iamlindoro_:

Also since you're in .nl (apparently) it's entirely likely/possible that those HD channels are h.264, in which case high processor is par for the course

[22:28:31]

Exposure:

I have xvmc enabled but I dont think 7600 supports it

[22:28:44]

sphery:

definitely not supported for h.264

[22:29:00]

Exposure:

hmm but network bandwith is pretty low

[22:29:01]

sphery:

yeah, you'd need a /very/ fast core 2 duo for high-def h.264

[22:29:15]

Exposure:

2.5 megabyte/sec max

[22:29:18]

sid3windr:

or viddy pow \o/

[22:29:27]

iamlindoro_:

The network bandwidth is meaningless

[22:29:43]

sphery:

yeah, that's the point... the more compression in the video (the less bandwidth), the more processor-intensive it is to decode

[22:29:44]

Exposure:

ok so the frontend does the decoding?

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iamlindoro_:

That reflects the bandwidth of the *compressed* video. It's the decode and display that takes all the processor

[22:29:47]

sphery:

yep

[22:30:12]

sphery:

otherwise, you couldn't build a network that could transfer the video

[22:30:34]

Exposure:

true, so when I record a HD channel on the server, I always get mpg files?

[22:30:42]

iamlindoro_:

you get mpg containers

[22:30:50]

Exposure:

ah, i see

[22:30:50]

iamlindoro_:

the codecs could be any number of things

[22:31:00]

Exposure:

didn't know mpg could be used as container

[22:31:06]

iamlindoro_:

ffmpeg -i somefileyouhavetroublewith.mpg

[22:31:24]

iamlindoro_:

MPEG just means "motion picture experts group"

[22:31:32]

iamlindoro_:

it includes many MANY codecs and containers

[22:31:35]

iamlindoro_:

and metadata formats, etc.

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sphery:

and parts ;)

[22:32:02]

sphery:

sad thing is MPEG-2 has many parts, as does MPEG-4, and ...

[22:32:24]

iamlindoro_:

ie you can have mpeg-4 part 10 (h.264) in mpeg-2 Transport stream containers, etc. etc.

[22:32:30]

gbee:

mpeg 4 part 10, mpeg 4 part 4, mpeg 1 part 3 (mp3) etc

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sphery:

What! MP3 isn't MPEG-3? ;)

[22:33:51]

Exposure:

hmm I remember a switch for ffmpeg (or was it mplayer) to identify the codecs used in a file?

[22:33:56]

gbee:

just to confuse things, mpeg-3 doesn't exist

[22:33:59]

iamlindoro_:

*cough*

[22:34:07]

iamlindoro_:

"iamlindoro_: ffmpeg -i somefileyouhavetroublewith.mpg"

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gbee:

ffmpeg -i file

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iamlindoro_:

(2:31)

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Exposure:

oh, sorry :)

[22:34:23]

iamlindoro_:

;)

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: strange that it took 3 hours for me to get that message... it came in at 5:31 for me.

[22:35:19]

Exposure:

it's h264 alright

[22:35:33]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: And possibly near midnight for him :)

[22:35:33]

sphery:

yeah, you need more processor

[22:35:45]

sphery:

or when 0.22 is out, you may be content with VDPAU

[22:36:03]

iamlindoro_:

or if we're extra lucky, experimental special multithreading magic

[22:36:10]

sphery:

better!

[22:36:14]

iamlindoro_:

agreed!

[22:36:30]

iamlindoro_:

probably a much nicer choice for broadcast mediums anyway

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gbee:

good luck with that ;) shine has worn off vdpau for me, too buggy

[22:37:12]

** iamlindoro_ hugs libavcodec + frame-based jiggery-pokery **

[22:37:13]

Exposure:

I'm running a pretty recent svn build

[22:37:46]

Exposure:

hmm

[22:37:58]

Exposure:

so what about x264 avi files, they play fine

[22:38:07]

Exposure:

h264 that is

[22:38:38]

sphery:

gbee: yeah, I'm all for software decode and multithreaded

[22:39:09]

iamlindoro_:

Exposure: Likely far FAR less bitrate and with much simpler encoder options

[22:39:40]

iamlindoro_:

Those 1–3 Mbit h.264 downloaded files are going to be infinitely easier to play than 15–19 Mbit broadcast H.264

[22:39:51]

Exposure:

but aren't there a lot of h264 codecs out there, some with hw acceleration (core avc I think?)

[22:39:52]

iamlindoro_:

+ differences in encoding options

[22:40:28]

iamlindoro_:

Exposure: One codec, many decoders

[22:40:57]

iamlindoro_:

But myth has *one* decoder for h.264, and it's built in

[22:41:08]

Exposure:

ok, well decoder is what I need right, as the encoding is done by cable company?

[22:41:13]

Exposure:

ah

[22:41:27]

Exposure:

so it's not as easy as linking it to a different decoder

[22:42:01]

iamlindoro_:

There is a fairly hacky way of getting coreAVC to work with WINE+myth patches, but a) it doesn't apply to trunk last I checked, and b) it wouldn't be enough of a boost to help you

[22:42:05]

iamlindoro_:

You need better hardware

[22:42:24]

iamlindoro_:

but you can experiment all you like, look up "coreavc for linux"

[22:42:30]

gbee:

wouldn't make a difference the h.264 decoder in myth is about as efficient as you can get, in fact by 0.22 it will beat the performance of CoreAVC AFAIK

[22:42:36]

Exposure:

wine+myth patches sounds evil

[22:42:41]

iamlindoro_:

yes

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iamlindoro_:

You can invest in faster hardware, or you can wait and see if the forthcoming inprovements in trunk help

[22:43:10]

iamlindoro_:

er improvements

[22:43:28]

Exposure:

but what about gpu acceleration, does xvmc help or does it only make things look nicer?

[22:43:29]

gbee:

I ran CoreAVC with myth for a while, then went back to use myth

[22:43:42]

iamlindoro_:

xvmc doesn't apply to h.264

[22:43:56]

iamlindoro_:

and gbee, agreed, another decoder with way too many drawbacks

[22:44:10]

iamlindoro_:

like "hanging the frontend with certain containers," that was my favorite

[22:44:50]

iamlindoro_:

Exposure: Xvmc + nvidia is mpeg-2 only. The new VDPAU acceleration that sphery mentioned works on h.264, but won't work with your card, it's too old

[22:45:06]

gbee:

GPU acceleration == VDPAU (Nvidia) or XvBA (ATI), both require brand new cards and drivers along with the latest development versions of MythTV (XvBA might not arrive until just before 0.22 is released)

[22:45:12]

iamlindoro_:

it's also (In my opinion) buggy, limited, and *hates* corrupted streams

[22:45:24]

gbee:

over-hyped

[22:45:52]

Exposure:

hmm

[22:45:59]

Exposure:

so I need a faster CPU

[22:46:02]

Exposure:

too bad :(

[22:46:04]

iamlindoro_:

yep

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iamlindoro_:

Or to hang on and see what comes about by .22

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gbee:

which funny enough was also the case with XvMC, everyone looks back at it and sees it for the crap that it was, but at the time everyone wanted in on it

[22:47:10]

iamlindoro_:

As there may be a solution that allows the (very robust, nice, fault-tolerant) software decoder to use multiple cores *much* better

[22:47:16]

iamlindoro_:

which brings to mind another point

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iamlindoro_:

edit your playback profiles and make sure "max CPUs" is set to 2 or morw

[22:47:31]

iamlindoro_:

more

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iamlindoro_:

then try those channels again

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iamlindoro_:

if you're very lucky, they're slice-encoded and you will get some extra oomph from your second core and be okay

[22:48:16]

gbee:

majority of the people wanting VDPAU have systems capable of 1080i h.264 decoding anyway, but for some reason the idea of the GPU doing the work instead of the CPU excites (like it makes a difference)

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gbee:

Exposure: as iamlindro just mentioned, check your configuration and make sure the playback profiles are set to use multiple cores

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Exposure:

would it help to get a quad core?

[22:56:11]

Exposure:

as in, would it effectively cut the load in half or will it only marginally improve

[22:59:23]

gbee:

not need to go that far, a 2.5 Ghz dual core seems enough for even the highest bitrate broadcast streams

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[23:01:39]

Exposure:

I've got 2.4 ghz

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** JEDIDIAH__ does not want some monstrosity that sounds like an F-18 and kind of looks like one too next to the bedroom TV. **

[23:01:52]

Exposure:

and I don't think bitrates are that high on my cable provider

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JEDIDIAH__:

...on the subject of vdpau

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gbee:

ok, well then it's likely to be config related

[23:02:20]

Dibblah:

Heh. New master backend? http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/t-shee . . . .aspx#extern

[23:02:59]

gbee:

JEDIDIAH__: heat from the GPU or heat from CPU, take your pick

[23:03:09]

Exposure:

bitrate: 12996 kb/s

[23:03:23]

Exposure:

should my c2d 2.4ghz be able to handle that?

[23:03:28]

JEDIDIAH__:

specialized solutions generally need to be clocked slower.

[23:03:48]

JEDIDIAH__:

when I get my vdpau test rig sorted out, I will have to see how that works out in practice.

[23:04:00]

gbee:

but truth is that you can achieve a near silent or silent setup with a dual core CPU, even running at full speed

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JEDIDIAH__:

my GPU runs cooler and is passively cooled.

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Exposure:

mine too, cpu cooler is huge though, but it's quiet :)

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JEDIDIAH__:

a good passive c2d cooler is bigger than any of my frontends.

[23:05:44]

Exposure:

:)

[23:05:47]

gbee:

passive cooling just means the heat is dumped into the case, it still needs to be shifted away with fans

[23:06:22]

Exposure:

yeah but you could get huge 120mm fans which are pretty quiet if you get the right one

[23:06:27]

gbee:

passive cooling != no fans, it just allows you to use larger, lower rpm fans on the case instead

[23:07:03]

Exposure:

anyway, lots of people seem to be running frontends on thinclients etc

[23:07:15]

gbee:

Exposure: quite a lot of people think that passive cooling means no fans are required at all :)

[23:07:15]

Exposure:

so I can assume they're not interested in hd content then?

[23:07:47]

Exposure:

well passive in my book means no fans, but if that means heat is built up inside the case, well you've got a problem

[23:07:49]

JEDIDIAH__:

...it depends on how cold you want it and how quiet you want it.

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JEDIDIAH__:

...and how much room you're willing to let it take up...

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Exposure:

my ideal setup would be a large backend with lots of cpu power and tuners, somewhere where I can't hear or see it

[23:09:06]

Exposure:

and thinclients acting as frontends

[23:09:26]

Exposure:

but then I would need the backend to transcode hd content to something the thinclients can handle

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JEDIDIAH__:

an appletv with an nv8400 would probably be the ideal "thin client"

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JEDIDIAH__:

...it's not bad as is.

[23:15:45]

JEDIDIAH__:

keep in mind that any other machine on the network can do "backend" duty for Myth

[23:16:02]

Exposure:

too bad it doesn't have the usual thinclient pricetag

[23:16:06]

JEDIDIAH__:

no CPU need go undertilized.

[23:16:30]

Exposure:

yeah but the backend isn't doing very much

[23:16:35]

JEDIDIAH__:

??? official "thin clients" are usually overpriced (probably targeted at companies)

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JEDIDIAH__:

comflagging, transcoding, multiple tuners.

[23:17:43]

JEDIDIAH__:

you may not dig transcoding but there's always comflagging

[23:18:28]

Exposure:

i've had a couple of thinclients that were dumped by companies who were migrating to a new system

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Exposure:

but you're right, if you want a brand new one directly from a reseller, theyre overpriced

[23:19:40]

Exposure:

i'm going to bed, thanks for the help guys

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iamlindoro:

Karmic Koala?

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iamlindoro:

Lord.

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iamlindoro:

Cue the "Myth isn't working on Karmic Koala pre-alpha 17 in 3...2..."

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netrix:

hey, i was wondering how people with remotes and lirc feel about responsiveness.

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JEDIDIAH__:

...at least it's not 3 K's.

[23:55:08]

netrix:

is it as responsive as a keyboard when using the front end?

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Dagmar:

It's as "responsive" as any remote is ever going to be.

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netrix:

just wondering because my lirc commandir and harmony 880 combo seems slow.

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JEDIDIAH__:

if you wanted a fair comparison I suppose you would have to test against a wireless keyboard.

[23:56:55]

netrix:

Dagmar: is that the round about way of saying don't expect keyboard like responsiveness?

[23:57:08]

Dagmar:

It's plain freaking English.

[23:57:13]

netrix:

i am ... i have a bluetooth logitech keyboard. it's really fast.

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netrix:

i am trying to figure out what a realistic expectation is for remotes.

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iamlindoro:

responsiveness more or less like any remote on any other set top box.

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netrix:

i upgraded from a serial receiver to commandir (usb) to get some emitters and figured maybe it might help responsiveness. sadly it does not.

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iamlindoro:

It'll never be as efficient as a keyboard because you can't manipulate a remote as quick as you can a keyboard... but still perfectly responsive

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netrix:

iamlindoro: okay, i guess my expectations were too high for it then.

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