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| [00:06:44] | dragonbyte: | are all the myth plugins part of frontend? |
| [00:07:13] | iamlindoro: | All the plugins are optional, but they all run on the frontend *except* for mythweb |
| [00:07:42] | dragonbyte: | so with the mac mythfrontend binary copied to an apple TV it should be able to do the games/browser/etc? |
| [00:08:01] | iamlindoro: | Depends on what's included in the packaged mac binary |
| [00:08:16] | iamlindoro: | it could be no plugins or all of them, depending on how the person building it did so |
| [00:08:39] | iamlindoro: | (as the mac binaries are not built or hosted by the project itself, but by other people) |
| [00:08:51] | dragonbyte: | well damn |
| [00:09:05] | iamlindoro: | It's a fair bet that it'll include most or all of them, though |
| [00:09:17] | iamlindoro: | (at least that's what I'd assume) |
| [00:10:07] | dragonbyte: | GAH so many complicated choices :( |
| [00:12:01] | keith4_: | a used mac mini on ebay, with linux, would be more than enough for SD |
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| [00:12:57] | dragonbyte: | keith4_: is that just DVI + Audio connections to the TV then? |
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| [00:13:43] | keith4_: | dragonbyte: as long as you have a TV with DVI input, sure |
| [00:14:10] | dragonbyte: | keith4_: PPC/Intel matter? |
| [00:15:57] | keith4_: | depends what distro you like |
| [00:16:28] | dragonbyte: | hmm |
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| [00:23:59] | dragonbyte: | keith4_: mac mini kinda makes this look a bit simple and that scares me :) |
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| [00:31:23] | mzb_d800: | I've come up with a script for cropping, scaling & compressing videos depending on what they are. Can anyone suggest a good set of mencoder options for close to "best quality" (lossless?) for mpeg2->mpeg2 ? |
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| [00:33:45] | mzb_d800: | so far, I've got these params: |
| [00:34:06] | mzb_d800: | LOW: 512x384 res, LAVCOPTS="vcodec=mpeg4:threads=$PROCESSORS:mbd=1" |
| [00:34:33] | mzb_d800: | MEDIUM: 640x480 res, LAVCOPTS="vcodec=mpeg4:threads=$PROCESSORS:mbd=1" |
| [00:34:52] | mzb_d800: | HIGH: 720x576 res, LAVCOPTS="vcodec=mpeg2video:threads=$PROCESSORS:mbd=1:vqscale=1:keyint=20&q uot; |
| [00:35:45] | mzb_d800: | I feel that the HIGH setting is giving me inconsistent results. Sometimes the resultant file is large, sometimes smaller. |
| [00:36:49] | mzb_d800: | (the command line for each also includes a CROP&SCALE portion which is determined elsewhere) |
| [00:38:06] | mzb_d800: | s/larger |
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| [00:50:05] | mattwj2002: | hi guys |
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| [01:01:50] | mattwj2002: | hi guys |
| [01:02:09] | mattwj2002: | I am going to to buy a new antenna for my mythtv box |
| [01:02:09] | mattwj2002: | :D |
| [01:02:45] | mattwj2002: | http://www.amazon.com/Antennas-Direct-DB8-Dir . . . 0&sr=8-1 |
| [01:02:50] | mattwj2002: | what do you guys think? |
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| [01:18:47] | JEDIDIAH__: | a mini is certainly easier than dealing with an AppleTV but I've got a new panel that doesn't want to get along with the intel driver. |
| [01:19:02] | JEDIDIAH__: | I'll have fun sorting that out. |
| [01:19:26] | JEDIDIAH__: | ....almost inclined to favor the appletv because of the nvidia chipset. |
| [01:19:53] | JEDIDIAH__: | it's sending out bad pnp info. |
| [01:21:06] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...the HDTV that is... telling the mini that it runs some bizzarre resolution. |
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| [01:24:07] | mzb_d800: | mattwj2002: http://www.hdtvantennalabs.com/reviews/Antenn . . . reviews.html |
| [01:24:55] | mattwj2002: | yeah it looks like it got good reviews |
| [01:24:56] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [01:25:11] | mattwj2002: | I prefer OTA HD over cable HD |
| [01:26:32] | mzb_d800: | iow: should be good for wide band UHF, not for VHF |
| [01:27:19] | mzb_d800: | Do you really need wide-band? If not, it might be better to get either a band 4 _or_ and band 5 with higher gain. |
| [01:28:38] | mattwj2002: | mzb_d800 I all ready have this antenna |
| [01:28:40] | mattwj2002: | http://www.amazon.com/Eagle-Aspen-Dtv2Buhf-Di . . . 9&sr=8-3 |
| [01:29:00] | mattwj2002: | I figured I would upgrade because I am getting a little bit of distorted signal sometimes |
| [01:29:21] | mzb_d800: | http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?showtopic=35049 |
| [01:29:59] | mzb_d800: | Are you receiving high or low band UHF? |
| [01:30:18] | mzb_d800: | http://www.fracarro.com/international/ |
| [01:30:52] | mattwj2002: | good question |
| [01:30:57] | mattwj2002: | one second let me check |
| [01:31:47] | mattwj2002: | it is all over the map |
| [01:31:59] | mattwj2002: | lowest channel 16 highest channel 50 |
| [01:32:25] | mattwj2002: | low band? |
| [01:34:50] | mattwj2002: | here is what I am base my choice on.... |
| [01:34:59] | mattwj2002: | http://www.hdtvantennalabs.com/hdtv-antenna-reviews.php |
| [01:35:41] | mattwj2002: | the AntennasDirect DB2 is one of the best antennas by reviews |
| [01:35:53] | mattwj2002: | the db8 is a big step up |
| [01:35:59] | mzb_d800: | channel 16? |
| [01:36:19] | mattwj2002: | yeah |
| [01:36:29] | mzb_d800: | where are you? |
| [01:36:35] | mattwj2002: | Minneapolis |
| [01:37:36] | mattwj2002: | 16 is the channel it actually broadcast |
| [01:37:37] | mzb_d800: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra_high_frequ . . . ted_States_2 |
| [01:38:34] | mattwj2002: | neato |
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| [01:38:57] | mattwj2002: | is VHF going to be gone too? |
| [01:39:30] | mzb_d800: | I think it mentions that VHF goes the way of the dinosaur in _some_ markets. |
| [01:39:55] | mattwj2002: | yeah I found out my own answer here |
| [01:39:56] | mattwj2002: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VHF#United_States_and_Canada |
| [01:40:02] | mzb_d800: | http://www.johnweeks.com/random/dtvmsp.html |
| [01:40:42] | mattwj2002: | yup |
| [01:41:01] | mattwj2002: | so you think the db8 will serve me well? |
| [01:41:35] | mzb_d800: | not sure, I suspect it's too wide |
| [01:41:54] | mattwj2002: | what do you mean too wide? |
| [01:42:13] | mattwj2002: | you mean it picks up too many frequencies? |
| [01:42:16] | mzb_d800: | wide-range |
| [01:42:39] | mzb_d800: | a narrower band (range) will give you higher gain (in theory) |
| [01:43:20] | mzb_d800: | afaict, you need an antenna that will do 470–698MHz. |
| [01:43:46] | mzb_d800: | you should be able to avoid the 698–806MHz range |
| [01:44:41] | mattwj2002: | you know of any antennas for those freq? |
| [01:45:08] | mzb_d800: | http://www.dennysantennaservice.com/selector.html |
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| [01:45:23] | mzb_d800: | I'm .au, different here |
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| [01:45:55] | CCFL_Man2: | a vhf hi/uhf antenna is perfect for me, but i never watch broadcast tv |
| [01:46:55] | mattwj2002: | I think I am going to go with the db8 |
| [01:47:19] | clever: | i get broadcast quality analog when using cable:P |
| [01:47:24] | ** clever kicks the tuner in the bttv card ** | |
| [01:47:40] | mattwj2002: | :P |
| [01:47:47] | mattwj2002: | I have cable all ready |
| [01:47:51] | mzb_d800: | mattwj2002: what's your zip? |
| [01:47:56] | clever: | when using the analog tuner in the 'digital cable box', i get a great picture |
| [01:48:11] | mattwj2002: | 55441 |
| [01:48:18] | CCFL_Man2: | clever: i hate cable service |
| [01:48:38] | mattwj2002: | I hear that |
| [01:48:45] | clever: | id use the dish on the roof but i have nothing to connect it to |
| [01:48:46] | mzb_d800: | anywhere near Peninsula Rd? |
| [01:48:50] | clever: | and no idea what horn is on the end |
| [01:48:54] | clever: | or what its pointed to |
| [01:48:55] | mzb_d800: | (ie: what's the closest major road) |
| [01:48:56] | mzb_d800: | ? |
| [01:49:02] | mattwj2002: | I forget |
| [01:49:03] | mattwj2002: | :P |
| [01:49:07] | mattwj2002: | why do you ask? |
| [01:49:33] | iamlindoro: | Not knowing the nearest major road = MINOR |
| [01:49:35] | mzb_d800: | go to the last link I pasted, and select the antennaweb link |
| [01:49:41] | CCFL_Man2: | clever: it's more than likely directv or dish network |
| [01:49:51] | mzb_d800: | fill in state/city/zip and continue |
| [01:49:57] | GreyFoxx: | sphery: You suffer from that periodic long lag between input and myth actually reacting to it ? |
| [01:49:57] | mattwj2002: | I know what major radio I am closest too |
| [01:50:01] | clever: | CCFL_Man2: yeah i think i read that before about canada |
| [01:50:04] | dragonbyte: | any mac mini frontend users here? |
| [01:50:08] | mattwj2002: | I just don't feel like sharing that on IRC |
| [01:50:12] | clever: | but i would expect 99% of that to be encrypted |
| [01:50:44] | clever: | ive checked the web to see what channels the sat's have and theres nothing realy special i cant allready get |
| [01:51:08] | mattwj2002: | okay I am at antenna web |
| [01:51:55] | mattwj2002: | I have some stations that are blue |
| [01:52:00] | mattwj2002: | that I can't currently get |
| [01:52:11] | mattwj2002: | not reliablily anyways |
| [01:52:16] | mattwj2002: | that is why I want the db8 |
| [01:52:36] | mzb_d800: | aren't they analog? |
| [01:52:45] | mattwj2002: | nope |
| [01:52:50] | mattwj2002: | 4 of them are digital |
| [01:53:04] | CCFL_Man2: | mattwj2002: i'd recommend a medium vhf low antenna and two large uhf antennas to get all 3 directions in your area |
| [01:53:19] | mattwj2002: | o_O |
| [01:53:43] | mattwj2002: | that is a lot of antennas |
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| [01:53:53] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: no, I'm not affected |
| [01:53:57] | CCFL_Man2: | it's only 3 |
| [01:54:10] | CCFL_Man2: | they'll fit on one mast |
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| [01:54:15] | GreyFoxx: | sphery: What QT Version are you running ? |
| [01:54:59] | CCFL_Man2: | vhf on top, two uhf on the side |
| [01:55:15] | CCFL_Man2: | well, two uhf below the vhf on the mast |
| [01:55:33] | CCFL_Man2: | get directional antennas |
| [01:56:02] | CCFL_Man2: | a passive combiner and you should be good to go |
| [01:56:10] | CCFL_Man2: | one coax feedline |
| [01:56:31] | mattwj2002: | sounds good |
| [01:56:48] | mattwj2002: | well I need to get to bed |
| [01:56:58] | mattwj2002: | bye everything thanks for the advice! |
| [01:57:06] | CCFL_Man2: | night |
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| [02:21:38] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: Sorry... On the phone. I have 3.3.7 on my production system (-fixes, obviously), and 4.4.0 on my (trunk) dev box, but I don't have a remote on the dev box. |
| [02:22:20] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: is this related to the mysql reconnect delay or the "non-responsive to key/button presses during playback" issue? |
| [02:22:29] | GreyFoxx: | Yeah same item |
| [02:22:52] | GreyFoxx: | Happens outside of playback as well |
| [02:22:52] | sphery: | You think it may be qt versions (perhaps qt mysql drivers?) |
| [02:23:01] | GreyFoxx: | QT4.3 bug |
| [02:23:02] | sphery: | seems the one on -fixes is only in playback |
| [02:23:24] | GreyFoxx: | The exact description is something slated to be fixed for 4.4 |
| [02:23:27] | sphery: | interesting... and a good reason to make 4.4.x (or 4.5.x, when ready) the minimum for 0.22 :) |
| [02:23:36] | GreyFoxx: | I'm gonna move to 4.4 tomorrow and see if the problem goes away for me |
| [02:23:48] | sphery: | so you're on 4.3.x? |
| [02:23:55] | GreyFoxx: | yup |
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| [02:24:23] | sphery: | there was a user who was having issues that sounded like the reconnect issue... |
| [02:24:36] | sphery: | I mentioned your name in the thread--I'll see if I can find it |
| [02:28:59] | sphery: | Hmmm. That's actually an Ubuntu 8.10 with 0.21-fixes... http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/372194#372194 |
| [02:30:24] | sphery: | strange that the archive doesn't show that post when I search for posts from me that mentioned your name. |
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| [02:38:24] | iamlindoro: | I wonder if people figure all these "VDPAU datapoints" with .21-fixes are of any value whatsoever |
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| [02:42:33] | sphery: | sounds like that thread may be worth reading quickly |
| [02:43:15] | sphery: | Ouch... OK, it wasn't. |
| [02:43:58] | iamlindoro: | I mean, do they not realize why CPU percentage means less than nothing in light of *bitstreaming* to the GPU? |
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| [02:49:19] | sphery: | what's with all the tickets with no version specified? |
| [02:51:20] | iamlindoro: | pulldowns are hard and scary? |
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| [02:54:42] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: not necessarily... it helps them decide whether their antiquated Via will have the horsepower to decode ac3 |
| [02:55:04] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, You don't need VDPAU to know that |
| [02:56:45] | sphery: | pulldowns are only hard and scary when they're 2:3 pulldown (and your player doesn't support ivtc) |
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| [03:25:25] | rcrit: | is it possible to set up a slave backend so that it only knows about the shows that are scheduled through it? |
| [03:25:59] | tank-man: | that sounds like a seperate backend |
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| [03:26:12] | rcrit: | I want to that's what I was afraid of |
| [03:26:31] | tank-man: | afraid why? |
| [03:26:43] | tank-man: | its what you want supposedly |
| [03:27:04] | rcrit: | I want to be able to separate shows I record from shows my kids record |
| [03:27:28] | tank-man: | like "groups" |
| [03:27:32] | rcrit: | yup |
| [03:27:37] | wagnerrp: | set up separate storage groups |
| [03:27:40] | wagnerrp: | filter as such |
| [03:28:16] | rcrit: | I'll look into that, thanks |
| [03:28:41] | tank-man: | theres anther type of gropus i think, recording groups |
| [03:29:23] | tank-man: | its called playback groups |
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| [06:31:40] | oobe: | hi does anyone know how i can quickly purge all the mythtv-database in ubuntu |
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| [06:32:01] | RyeBrye: | oobe: what do you mean "purge" |
| [06:32:02] | RyeBrye: | ? |
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| [06:32:56] | RyeBrye: | oobe: you can just drop the database – but I'm not sure that's what you want |
| [06:38:55] | oobe: | i basically want to start from scratch on a fresh install |
| [06:39:23] | oobe: | i tried copy the files from /var/lib/mysql/mythconverg/ on my old install to /var/lib/mysql/mythconverg/ on my new install and now it is screwed |
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| [06:44:08] | RyeBrye: | mysql -u root -p (whatever your password is) then when it says > say drop mythconverg; and it should drop it |
| [06:44:20] | RyeBrye: | then you will no longer have mythconverge |
| [06:44:31] | RyeBrye: | mysqldump is a better way to move databases across systems |
| [06:44:43] | RyeBrye: | it dumps it out then you run the script to recreate it on the target system |
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| [06:47:34] | oobe: | RyeBrye: i know |
| [06:47:38] | oobe: | i didnt have a choice |
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| [09:00:45] | kavorka: | is there anyone here running vdpau with a sff pc? |
| [09:01:09] | justinh: | what difference does the form factor make to video decoding performance? :P |
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| [09:01:48] | kavorka: | huge...the choices of low profile nvidia cards are limited |
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| [09:16:41] | justinh: | so basically you'd be looking for an 8400 series in a low profile form. or whatever :) |
| [09:17:24] | justinh: | you'd prolly have more luck finding a motherboard with integrated graphics |
| [09:17:30] | justinh: | just a guess |
| [09:18:59] | ** superdump guesses that was a request for a fanless vdpau capable card ** | |
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| [09:26:39] | kavorka: | justinh: thats what i was thinking |
| [09:27:09] | kavorka: | or i might forget the idea and build a new normal height case |
| [09:27:45] | kavorka: | are the motherboards with integrated nvidia graphics just as good as a dedicated pcie card ? |
| [09:28:14] | justinh: | there's a fair bit you can do with risers to turn cards through 90 degrees but you have to be more careful of cooling then |
| [09:28:22] | justinh: | kavorka: in theory |
| [09:29:40] | kavorka: | yeah i might play it safe and go for a dedicated card...never had much confidence in the integrated ones |
| [09:30:04] | superdump: | in my experience, via IGPs suck |
| [09:30:10] | superdump: | just as a heads up |
| [09:30:28] | kavorka: | i think so too...never tried it, just a feeling |
| [09:30:49] | kavorka: | with the 8400 series the 256mb is low profile but 512 is only high profile |
| [09:30:53] | justinh: | hmmm. Asda.com will be getting a phone call from me later. Idiots. They keep emailing me to say the stuff I've ordered is having problems being delivered to them, yet they won't let me cancel the order |
| [09:31:13] | kavorka: | and they say 256mb wont cut it for vdpau |
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| [09:32:14] | justinh: | I'd say it's still early days for any definitive information to appear about VDPAU except YMMV |
| [09:32:59] | kavorka: | true it is early days...i might revisit this in 6 months time..not worth the headaches at the moment |
| [09:35:00] | justinh: | it could be, but that depends on whether or not you like being an early adopter & having to sacrifice things in the name of benefits for everybody else :P |
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| [09:36:01] | superdump: | martyrdom |
| [09:36:06] | superdump: | :) |
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| [10:26:04] | mattwj2002: | hi everyone |
| [10:26:29] | _styelz: | i am |
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| [10:42:51] | Dibblah: | ... the one and only? |
| [10:44:37] | justinh: | oyay. I have an 8-disk esata RAID unit to configure & the manual is written in Engrish |
| [10:46:19] | Dibblah: | 8 disk esata? |
| [10:46:24] | Dibblah: | That's... Odd. |
| [10:46:34] | Dibblah: | I don't know of any 8 port multipliers. |
| [10:50:54] | justinh: | Maxtronic/Arena |
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| [11:11:28] | gumpert345: | hi does one of you know a pci non express graphic card that supports vp3? |
| [11:12:42] | laga: | what is vp3? |
| [11:13:42] | gumpert345: | I mean purevideo third generation |
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| [11:15:02] | c0p3rn1c: | is there any other place to get http://opensvn.csie.org/opensascng/open-sasc-ng because the server is down |
| [11:15:25] | justinh: | c0p3rn1c: you can't talk about that crap here |
| [11:15:52] | c0p3rn1c: | crap? |
| [11:16:05] | c0p3rn1c: | ok then |
| [11:18:23] | justinh: | Dibblah: http://www.maxtronic.com.tw/index.php/esatato . . . uctsmenu-131 |
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| [11:37:04] | justinh: | nvidia 8400 w/ 512MB .. fanless. £28.18 |
| [11:37:10] | justinh: | cheeeeep |
| [11:37:28] | laga: | but.. will it blend? |
| [11:37:32] | laga: | err, do VDPAU? |
| [11:37:34] | hashbang: | http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=228173 # interesting gadget at an interesting price |
| [11:38:00] | justinh: | thought 8400 cards were ok for viddypow |
| [11:38:18] | justinh: | hashbang: ugly too:( |
| [11:38:29] | laga: | hashbang: probably not capable of taking recent CPUs |
| [11:38:42] | hashbang: | justinh: compared with Silverstone, sure, but compared with teh Codegen server case I have right now... |
| [11:38:45] | justinh: | oh wait.. that's a flap on the front |
| [11:38:59] | justinh: | aka VCR form factor :D |
| [11:39:23] | hashbang: | justinh: yup, obviously the basis for the 'styling' |
| [11:40:03] | justinh: | not so bad if the flap was shut |
| [11:40:15] | justinh: | though why they don't have photos with it shut I dunno |
| [11:40:38] | justinh: | and no data on whether it has a pci-e slot or not |
| [11:41:28] | hashbang: | it's an Elonex Artisan, maybe |
| [11:42:09] | Dibblah: | justinh: Interesting. It's not a port multiplier as I was expecting. |
| [11:43:55] | hashbang: | sorry, Elonex Scaleo |
| [11:43:56] | ** Dibblah needs some decent in-wall 7.5cm deep speakers :( ** | |
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| [11:44:08] | Dibblah: | I get the subtle feeling they don't exist. |
| [11:44:54] | ``sol_ is now known as `sol | |
| [11:45:38] | hashbang: | justinh: http://forums.ebuyer.com/showthread.php?p=341 . . . vxwvmQw0t2s= # suspect just PCI |
| [11:45:48] | hashbang: | or maybe AGP |
| [11:46:25] | justinh: | without being able to shove a decent CPU into it, it needs pci-e |
| [11:46:30] | hashbang: | http://www.intel.com/support/graphics/intel915g/sb/cs-013296.htm # ah, no, PCI-E |
| [11:46:59] | hashbang: | but it'll have to be half height, and you'll lose the SCART functionality if you don't have an ADD2 card |
| [11:47:32] | justinh: | though http://forums.ebuyer.com/showthread.php?p=6850#post6850 |
| [11:47:44] | justinh: | mentions 8400 cards etc.. so maybe |
| [11:48:29] | justinh: | though it takes micro-atx motherboardsx |
| [11:49:04] | Dibblah: | If that's an Intel board, then it'll be PCI-e |
| [11:49:39] | Dibblah: | Because the riser that's in it is a Intel SVDO (?) card. |
| [11:50:03] | hashbang: | http://www.pcw.co.uk/personal-computer-world/ . . . emens-scaleo # Fujitsu Scaleo E |
| [11:50:16] | Dibblah: | hashbang: Doh. Yeah, like you just said ;) |
| [11:50:50] | hashbang: | was £870 |
| [11:51:23] | hashbang: | intrigued that the review claims RGB SCART |
| [11:51:34] | hashbang: | but then says it lacks definition |
| [11:52:00] | hashbang: | that was Jan 2006 |
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| [12:07:01] | justinh: | lol. big & bulky. they never saw the £2000 one the Gadget Show reviewed last year |
| [12:09:15] | hashbang: | heh |
| [12:09:22] | hashbang: | intriguing |
| [12:09:53] | hashbang: | I just remembered that my MythTV FE/BE has 3 active Ethernet NICs, which would be hard to replicate with a Maplin/Scaleo |
| [12:10:01] | hashbang: | USB Ethernet? Bleh. |
| [12:10:15] | justinh: | I've seen fridges smaller than that behemoth the Gadget Show reviewed |
| [12:10:19] | hashbang: | haha |
| [12:10:45] | justinh: | probably weighed 2000 pounds as well |
| [12:10:53] | hashbang: | ouch. |
| [12:11:21] | justinh: | oh god. Will mythtv work on Karmic Koala ? :D |
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| [12:12:34] | hashbang: | Karmic, Karmic, Karmic, Karmic Koala Bear... |
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| [12:16:09] | ivor: | hmmm that maplin box looks like an interesting base to hack from.... |
| [12:16:34] | hashbang: | ivor: if it's just the case you're after, get a Silverstone, I reckon |
| [12:17:22] | ivor: | nah thinking it might me a nice secondary front end with the wired in scart sockets. |
| [12:17:34] | hashbang: | ivor: okies |
| [12:17:43] | gbee: | hmm, interesting |
| [12:17:52] | hashbang: | ivor: if you're after RGB, you'll have to confirm that yourself |
| [12:18:04] | gbee: | first one of those that I actually like the look of |
| [12:18:15] | hashbang: | ivor: I'd be surprised if they're RGB, but some pages say they are. |
| [12:18:27] | justinh: | if only somebody sold the case on its own |
| [12:18:47] | justinh: | for, say.. less than £50 |
| [12:18:57] | hashbang: | justinh: on a stick? |
| [12:18:59] | laga: | way too expensive *shrug* i mean, it's three years old |
| [12:19:03] | gbee: | what's the problem with the board? |
| [12:19:19] | hashbang: | laga: 870 to 150 in 3 years is a fair price. |
| [12:19:29] | hashbang: | laga: CPU and 1GB RAM included |
| [12:19:38] | justinh: | oops. missed that bit |
| [12:19:45] | ivor: | wireless remote and keyboard included. |
| [12:19:46] | justinh: | so has it got pci-e or not? |
| [12:19:57] | hashbang: | justinh: looks like it, seeing as it has an ADD2 card |
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| [12:20:40] | hashbang: | case: £50, CPU+Mobo+RAM: £30, DVB: £30, RF Keyboard: £30 |
| [12:20:45] | gbee: | for something of it's size, I don't think that it's really priced astronomically – people in here have paid that much for the case alone, it could do with being under £100 ideally but it's not unreasonable |
| [12:20:50] | justinh: | VFD too |
| [12:20:59] | justinh: | internal IR sensor |
| [12:21:15] | justinh: | don't reckon I'd be using the front panel buttons though |
| [12:21:31] | justinh: | takes a half height optical drive too :) |
| [12:21:39] | gbee: | justinh: maybe not, but then again when you've misplaced the remote ... |
| [12:21:55] | justinh: | if I misplace my remote I can't turn the telly on |
| [12:22:08] | gbee: | array of ports at the back is hardly half-arsed |
| [12:22:49] | gbee: | I'm not in the market for a new frontend device but I'm falling in love with that thing |
| [12:23:45] | gbee: | what's the CPU? |
| [12:24:01] | justinh: | 3Gz Intel thingy, so say Maplin blurb |
| [12:24:11] | justinh: | I know.. a whole 3Gz |
| [12:24:11] | gbee: | yeah, that's just not very specific :) |
| [12:24:17] | gbee: | complete with tuner too |
| [12:24:48] | hashbang: | justinh: P4 3.06, presumably. |
| [12:24:54] | ivor: | dont need one... but might just get one to tinker with. |
| [12:25:41] | hashbang: | justinh: my combined FE/BE is a P4 2.53GHz, and was a Celeron 1.7 |
| [12:25:48] | gbee: | sort of thing I'd buy as a secondary production frontend, for a guest room etc |
| [12:25:50] | hashbang: | justinh: so 3.06GHz is overkill for SD |
| [12:26:02] | Dibblah: | "CPU: Intel 915G ICH6 " |
| [12:26:04] | Dibblah: | Argh. |
| [12:26:15] | justinh: | alright for SDT though |
| [12:26:19] | justinh: | SDTV even |
| [12:26:25] | Dibblah: | ... That's the chipset. |
| [12:26:29] | Dibblah: | What's the CPU? |
| [12:26:33] | gbee: | hashbang: HD though? Though stick in a VDPAU/XvBA capable card .. |
| [12:26:34] | justinh: | bugger all use for HD |
| [12:26:38] | hashbang: | Dibblah: Chipset: Intel 3GZ |
| [12:26:48] | Dibblah: | Which is also wrong :( |
| [12:27:04] | hashbang: | Dibblah: suspect we can infer what was probably meant, though. |
| [12:27:23] | justinh: | hey, it's Maplin. Bless |
| [12:27:25] | hashbang: | gbee: it's socket 775, so might be able to take faster CPUs |
| [12:27:35] | justinh: | it's got rams & everythink! |
| [12:27:50] | hashbang: | justinh: indeed. Just be grateful the right info's there, albeit in the wrong places. :-) |
| [12:27:51] | justinh: | 0.2 kiloquads & stuff |
| [12:28:19] | hashbang: | crikey, IR-Blaster cable too |
| [12:28:21] | Dibblah: | It doesn't have a volume knob. But if it did, it'd go up to 11... |
| [12:28:31] | gbee: | normally I'd walk straight past anything that Maplin were offering like that, it tends to be really cheap tat, but I've got to say I'm not seeing a downside to this one (yet) |
| [12:28:46] | [Peter]: | is there any plans for supporting VA-API in myth? |
| [12:28:47] | hashbang: | gbee: well, it looks like it's ex-Fujitsu Siemens kit |
| [12:28:48] | justinh: | * No PSU included. lol |
| [12:29:20] | justinh: | buy it mail order & it'd def. be worth the punt |
| [12:29:28] | justinh: | return it for any reason with 14 days :) |
| [12:29:36] | hashbang: | justinh: they do that in store, too. |
| [12:29:43] | justinh: | oh yeah. |
| [12:29:52] | hashbang: | quite handy for wifi gear. :-) |
| [12:30:05] | gbee: | [Peter]: sure |
| [12:30:15] | justinh: | get everybody to buy the lot & return them. then they'd ahve to re-sell em all as b-grade :P |
| [12:30:15] | hashbang: | Oh, I should have bought the rev 1.3, rather than this rev 1.4 with a completely different chipset. |
| [12:30:22] | hashbang: | justinh: evils |
| [12:31:03] | gbee: | ivor: if you get one, let me know what you think of it? |
| [12:31:21] | gbee: | I've absolutely no use for it, but I'm tempted all the same |
| [12:31:23] | hashbang: | gbee: ever better, ivor, wiki it somewhere. :-) |
| [12:33:40] | hashbang: | Dibblah: P4 630, maybe – http://smart-home-blog.com/archives/170 |
| [12:34:29] | hashbang: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/337050 |
| [12:34:52] | hashbang: | driving the VFD looks like an unsolved problem |
| [12:37:21] | gbee: | :/ my uncles in Oz are having to evacuate because the bush fires are heading their way |
| [12:37:39] | purserj: | gbee: yeah, it's not fun |
| [12:37:41] | hashbang: | gbee: eep! |
| [12:37:52] | hashbang: | hmm, mobo (FIC P4M915GD1) dates from 2004 |
| [12:40:12] | ** Dibblah still likes his http://pendor.org/minimal_frontend.jpg ** | |
| [12:40:58] | Dibblah: | And that's the reason for wanting slim, good, in-wall speakers. Mutually impossible? I think so... |
| [12:41:49] | Dibblah: | (The IR receiver is at the top of the doorframe, the two rows at the top are the wiimote LEDs) |
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| [12:42:54] | stuarta: | Dibblah: i didn't realize you were an IPV6 dhcpd :-p (http://klub.com.pl/dhcpv6/) |
| [12:43:11] | Dibblah: | Heh. |
| [12:43:25] | ** Dibblah is just winding up justinh ;) ** | |
| [12:43:37] | Dibblah: | http://pendor.org/minimal_frontend.jpg |
| [12:43:46] | Dibblah: | Since I know he _loves_ that theme of his. |
| [12:43:47] | purserj: | gbee: whereabouts in Victoria are your uncles? |
| [12:44:12] | stuarta: | nice |
| [12:44:39] | gbee: | Wesburn, South of Healesville, West of Warburton |
| [12:45:10] | hashbang: | Dibblah: in the clock? |
| [12:45:16] | gbee: | I've got cousins and a couple of aunts in the suburbs of Melbourne too |
| [12:45:29] | Dibblah: | Eh? No, just below the coving. |
| [12:46:07] | hashbang: | Dibblah: ah, sorry, I meant the hardware running the FE |
| [12:46:20] | Dibblah: | That's all in the cupboard behind it :) |
| [12:46:28] | hashbang: | aha |
| [12:46:44] | gbee: | their having a bad time of it, one of my Uncles died last week and in rushing to the hospital my Aunt wrote off her car ending up in the hospital herself :( |
| [12:46:51] | purserj: | gbee: bloody hell |
| [12:46:59] | purserj: | no their not having a good time of it |
| [12:47:00] | gbee: | they're |
| [12:47:05] | purserj: | they're |
| [12:47:07] | stuarta: | :( |
| [12:47:19] | stuarta: | thankfully my family is in Sydney |
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| [12:54:27] | Dibblah: | Hmmm... Shiva is overdue for his next "plugin question" :) |
| [12:54:41] | laga: | Dibblah: yes |
| [12:54:44] | laga: | Dibblah: that'd make my day |
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| [12:55:43] | gbee: | from what I've seen of Freevo in screenshots (my only experience of it) it looks pretty basic |
| [12:57:30] | johannes___: | gbee: yeah, I know. All I need it to do is play live tv and display images on top of it :) I find the python api kind of interesting. But I couldn't find out if they let me do what I want. |
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| [14:28:24] | justinh: | ooo no. I wouldn't buy from Maplins. Dem tourists use em! http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/23/taleb . . . _5th_column/ |
| [14:29:08] | ivor: | you silly sod |
| [14:29:32] | ivor: | that's excellent. :) |
| [14:30:59] | justinh: | wonder what they'd make of the even fancier gadgetry of dealextreme.com .. ;) |
| [14:31:21] | GreyFoxx: | between davismicro and deal extreme I could loose my mind :) |
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| [18:34:29] | JEDIDIAH__: | how do you bring up the recordings menu for a particular recording in trunk. last weekends version just goes in a big circle if you use the cursor keys. -> left used to bring up a menu for a particular recording. |
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| [18:39:45] | iamlindoro_: | I |
| [18:39:59] | iamlindoro_: | That is to say, the I key. The arrow accelerators are gone |
| [18:40:06] | iamlindoro_: | Have been for a couple months |
| [18:46:15] | sphery: | gbee: In case you haven't gotten enough suggestions, another option that preserves some color--rather than grayscaling the image--is a gray mask, like http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/Terra_Subdued/ (either done through the widget or with an overlayed semitransparent image). |
| [18:46:57] | Dagmar: | We can mask now? |
| [18:46:58] | Dagmar: | Nice |
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| [18:48:03] | sphery: | well, I don't know if he's added support for masking through the widget, but as he's deeply involved in coding it, he could easily do so if her prefers that approach over the extra image... :) |
| [18:48:26] | Dagmar: | Oh wait this looks like overlay stuff |
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| [18:48:56] | sphery: | yeah |
| [18:49:04] | iamlindoro_: | It is an ovrlay, but masking is also possible |
| [18:49:17] | iamlindoro_: | (ergo the curved edges of the selected screenshots in the above example) |
| [18:49:31] | Dagmar: | OKay, whew |
| [18:49:36] | ** sphery doesn't know the difference... ** | |
| [18:49:43] | mnd-: | Hi, what sort of playback profile would I want to use with setup radeon 9700 + 2,1ghz athlon ? |
| [18:49:57] | mnd-: | I've been trying something out but the livetv is unusable |
| [18:50:03] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Mask prevents certain elements of a given image from being displayed |
| [18:50:11] | Dagmar: | sphery: Lets say you have boxes with rounded corners and you want to put a screenshot (which has sharp corners) inside it |
| [18:50:15] | sphery: | mnd-: the best playback profile group when you can make it work is Slim |
| [18:50:25] | sphery: | Oh. |
| [18:50:28] | sphery: | got it... |
| [18:50:28] | mnd-: | I was using vdr previously and at least xshm was working |
| [18:50:33] | mnd-: | sphery: ok |
| [18:50:38] | Dagmar: | sphery: your options are to just put up with the dead space along the sides, or figure out how to use a mask to make parts of your screenshot go away |
| [18:50:51] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: In myth's case a mask is another image where black is the shown value, and transparent is not. <mask>maskfile.png</mask> in an imagetype |
| [18:51:05] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: See the MythUI theming manual for more details. ;) ;) |
| [18:51:18] | Dagmar: | Someone documented it? |
| [18:51:39] | iamlindoro_: | yes, most of it is documented, with some work still to do |
| [18:52:12] | Dagmar: | work... pfft. |
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| [18:52:22] | Dagmar: | .NET is giving me a new appreciation for C++ |
| [18:52:56] | Dagmar: | All the "flexibility" of BASIC, all the obfuscated namespace and variable type crap of C++ |
| [18:54:34] | gbee: | sphery: selected poster image is masked – http://robertmcnamara.smugmug.com/gallery/706 . . . 946702_WciE3 |
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| [18:55:10] | sphery: | cool... So, guess I should say, another option is an overlay... :) |
| [18:55:33] | gbee: | rounded corners are just the most common usage, could be any shape and it doesn't have to be entirely transparent in the masked areas either, masks can apply a complete range of transparency to any part of the target image |
| [18:56:00] | Dagmar: | Let's say you have a thing for sinister. |
| [18:56:18] | Dagmar: | You could have eyeballs with cataracts where the thumbnail is the cataract as a frame |
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| [18:56:35] | Dagmar: | Some nice decaying cows eyes, in nice rows and columns |
| [18:56:49] | Dagmar: | ...or have the image appear to be embedded in some kind of costume jewelry gem |
| [18:57:12] | laga: | what the.. |
| [18:57:32] | gbee: | or punch holes, wavy lines etc through the image |
| [18:58:09] | Dagmar: | Or you know, if you're really into surveillance, all your thumbnails could be made to appear as if they were on the other side of keyholes. :) |
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| [18:58:30] | gbee: | break up the straight edge of a poster/fan art with a curve |
| [18:58:41] | Dagmar: | ...or a torn edge |
| [18:58:52] | gbee: | yup, even better |
| [18:59:19] | sphery: | One day I may learn all these artistic/graphics kind of things. |
| [18:59:32] | iamlindoro_: | yeah, me too |
| [18:59:34] | sphery: | Of course, without the talent to back it up, learning the terms doesn't help much.\ |
| [18:59:35] | laga: | Dagmar: keyholes? that'd work well for mythzoneminder |
| [18:59:36] | Dagmar: | Drinking helpls |
| [18:59:39] | iamlindoro_: | sometime after my third theme, maybe ;) |
| [18:59:46] | Dagmar: | laga: THat's kinda what I was thinking actually. :) |
| [19:03:18] | sphery: | Why is the default assumption that the last message in the logs before a segfault is the cause of the segfault? |
| [19:03:46] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: You mean "It's trying to geinterlace progresive material?" |
| [19:03:51] | iamlindoro_: | er deinterlace |
| [19:03:55] | iamlindoro_: | and progressive |
| [19:04:24] | gbee: | I thought it would take longer, but I might be sick of Terra already |
| [19:04:30] | sphery: | yeah or "audio codec missing" |
| [19:04:40] | JEDIDIAH__: | people have been watching too much Law & Order... (and thus assume that the nearest warm body is the perp) |
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| [19:04:54] | sphery: | gbee: perfect... now you won't get upset when someone else changes it some way you wouldn't have :) |
| [19:05:26] | gbee: | haven't grown apart from it that much yet ;) |
| [19:05:56] | sphery: | Oh, and it would be nice if some of these people getting backtraces would actually do so according to the instructions in the HOWTO... (And don't even get me started on the glibc "backtraces".) |
| [19:06:17] | gbee: | there are actually things I still like about it, but the shine has worn off |
| [19:06:25] | JEDIDIAH__: | is there any way to tell myth that it's doublecounting a bit of nfs mounted recording space? |
| [19:06:36] | ** sphery can't wait for gbee's next great theme ** | |
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| [19:07:11] | jduggan: | odd, has anyone seen mythfilldatabase fail to get a channels listings until you run it a second time? |
| [19:07:18] | jduggan: | radiotimes |
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| [19:07:31] | sphery: | JEDIDIAH__: it's based on the space (usage/availability). Your nfs is reporting wildly different amounts from the local filesystem |
| [19:07:32] | jduggan: | it got all but bbc1/five/fiveus |
| [19:07:55] | JEDIDIAH__: | nope, the disk is local on one box and remote on another. |
| [19:07:59] | gbee: | jduggan: funny you should say that, radiotimes grabber has been playing up for me this last three weeks |
| [19:08:15] | jduggan: | hmm |
| [19:08:35] | jduggan: | i wondered if the xmltvid's had changed for five/fiveus/bbc1 |
| [19:08:43] | jduggan: | as all channels got updated but those |
| [19:08:52] | jduggan: | i ran it a second time on the off chance, and it got them all fine |
| [19:09:24] | jduggan: | and thinking about it |
| [19:09:29] | jduggan: | this happened two weeks ago |
| [19:09:36] | jduggan: | with itv anglia |
| [19:09:40] | sphery: | JEDIDIAH__: wasn't that you I responded to in: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/348674#348674 |
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| [19:15:32] | sphery: | JEDIDIAH__: for how to "fix" it (patch your own copy to account for your broken^H^H^H^H^H^H"unusual" nfs behavior, see http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/302782#302782 |
| [19:17:13] | sphery: | #6297 sounds like broken X drivers (I've seen similar behavior with some versions of NVIDIA's drivers) |
| [19:18:16] | Gorth: | Hey folks, I'm getting a myth box setup and am having some issues with playback. Specifically, when the channel is changed to a different format stream (switch to/from HD channel to SD) it does not seem to properly playback the different mode. |
| [19:18:36] | Gorth: | If I exit playback and go back in, it reads the new channel fine, but not the old. |
| [19:18:45] | Dagmar: | You're going to have to be more detailed than "properly" |
| [19:18:58] | Gorth: | it seems like interlacing |
| [19:19:17] | sphery: | fix your playback profile |
| [19:19:34] | sphery: | my recommendation is the (default configuration of the) Slim playback profile group |
| [19:19:43] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Playback_profiles |
| [19:19:58] | Gorth: | lemme try slim real quick. I've bounced around a bunch of them. |
| [19:20:11] | sphery: | make sure it's an unedited version of Slim |
| [19:20:25] | sphery: | if you've edited any of it, reset it as described in the wiki page I linked |
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| [19:20:44] | Gorth: | haven't touched slim |
| [19:20:58] | Gorth: | nope. |
| [19:22:16] | Gorth: | So I watch TV, it's set on hisory HD. Everything is fine. |
| [19:23:20] | Gorth: | I tune to history SD and it looks like it might be interlacing, but not sure. |
| [19:23:37] | Gorth: | Exit playing and go back in leaving it on SD and it's fine |
| [19:24:08] | Gorth: | but then flip back to HD and it's similarly broken |
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| [19:51:46] | Gorth: | Yeah, I can't seem to make profiles have any effect on the issue. |
| [19:52:34] | Gorth: | I've got a stock normal up right now because that one looks like it should do it. The HD streams are 720p, the SD is 480i (I think on the i) |
| [19:53:27] | Gorth: | It's almost as if the frontend doesn't realize the format change has occurred |
| [19:56:45] | Dagmar: | The frontend player won't handle a stream that changce format properly |
| [19:56:55] | Dagmar: | ...at least that's what I've been told. |
| [19:57:12] | Dagmar: | If you change channels, it should be stopping the old stream and switching to a new one, which should pose no problem. |
| [19:57:34] | Dagmar: | Just don't expect the frontend to do anything intellgent with what you currently had set as zoom and stretch modes |
| [19:58:18] | Dagmar: | If you're having trouble with profiles, their syntax is irksome. When in doubt, I just dump the bits that you'd use to make a profile only apply to a specific type of input file |
| [20:00:50] | Gorth: | ok |
| [20:01:26] | Gorth: | How can I tell if it's stopping and restarting the stream? The backend is on this same machine. I'm using firewire capture from a 4250HDC |
| [20:03:50] | Dagmar: | 1. You lucky barstardx |
| [20:04:36] | Dagmar: | 2. It should be |
| [20:04:46] | Dagmar: | Every time you change channels it starts a new recording |
| [20:05:08] | Dagmar: | Nothing gets "played" directly through MythTV. It *all* gets spooled to a recording and then played from that. |
| [20:05:12] | Gorth: | ok, that's what I figured. |
| [20:05:19] | Gorth: | and thought |
| [20:05:49] | Gorth: | and why am I lucky? Or are you being sarcastic? I'd love to run this POS over with a steamroller |
| [20:06:14] | Dagmar: | In most regions, you're lucky if you can get a channel change to happen over firewire and you can just forget getting video through it. |
| [20:06:40] | Dagmar: | US cable francises LOVE to enable 5C on everything they're not legally forbidden (locally broadcast channels) from doing so on.. |
| [20:06:55] | Gorth: | ah. I was having decent luck (same interlacing issue) with a motorola box before I moved |
| [20:06:56] | Dagmar: | ...and/or just disabling the firewire port entirely. |
| [20:07:24] | Gorth: | and it took me forever to get this one to work. Had to use juju to get it anything close to reliable |
| [20:08:27] | Gorth: | Yeah, so I've heard. :) Seems clear to me, except for some of the sports channels, but I think those are better with juju |
| [20:09:39] | Dagmar: | You *might* be seeing an actual bug, or you might have just managed to expose a bug in the playback filters |
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| [20:09:57] | Dagmar: | ...and by "expose" I mean "create" |
| [20:11:25] | justinh: | oh now that I don't like. selected a show to record in the guide, and it won't record because it's not listed. WTF? |
| [20:13:58] | Gorth: | yay! that sounds just great :) |
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| [20:18:12] | sphery: | justinh: timeslot recording rule where the starttime was changed through EIT? |
| [20:18:19] | sphery: | (or through XMLTV?) |
| [20:18:42] | justinh: | xmltv |
| [20:19:03] | justinh: | looking through the code now to find out why it might happen |
| [20:19:05] | sphery: | but did the starttime change? |
| [20:19:11] | justinh: | shouldn't have done |
| [20:19:23] | sphery: | if it changes by even a minute, it will show as NL |
| [20:19:34] | gbee: | even a 5 minute change can break single record/timeslot recordings |
| [20:19:39] | justinh: | one thing I can think of is that the default preroll time had expired |
| [20:19:57] | gbee: | which I want to see fixed, add some flexibility to it so that doesn't happen |
| [20:20:02] | sphery: | Or, if you're scheduling through MythWeb with -fixes, it could happen "immediately" (without change) if you have time zone issues |
| [20:20:09] | justinh: | gbee: I went into the epg, pressed record. then it said it won't record cos it's not listed |
| [20:20:25] | justinh: | the time shouldn't have changed |
| [20:20:51] | justinh: | wonder if there's a disparity between BE & FE times.. that could have a bearing on it too |
| [20:20:55] | sphery: | and you're sure you have the right input connections setup (no ghost channels that appear "on top of" the good channels)? |
| [20:20:59] | gbee: | ok, well that's a new one |
| [20:21:34] | justinh: | sphery: nah, I record from BBC1 all the time |
| [20:21:53] | justinh: | hmm. frontend is 3 mins behind the backend |
| [20:22:09] | justinh: | wth? it should be working from the same ntp server |
| [20:22:20] | sphery: | that shouldn't matter as long as they're in the same time zone |
| [20:22:52] | justinh: | 90 secs, not 3 mins |
| [20:23:23] | justinh: | so, the start time hadn't changed. no way it could since I don't use EIT on that channel |
| [20:23:50] | justinh: | only possibility is that I'd missed the preroll time but it should've just worked I'd have thought |
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| [20:25:24] | justinh: | grepping for "Not Listed" now |
| [20:25:37] | gbee: | justinh: single records should work whether it's hours away or there is just a minute left |
| [20:25:45] | justinh: | hrm |
| [20:26:10] | justinh: | it's happened before, but I never bothered to find out why |
| [20:26:20] | justinh: | just put it down to one of those things |
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| [20:30:34] | sphery: | gbee: fwiw, I don't see how #5939 could ever happen as a) subtitle is only used in duplicate detection when there's no programid, and b) when used, subtitle is never pulled from the DB in the BUSQ (i.e. program.subtitle = oldrecorded.subtitle ) |
| [20:32:59] | iamlindoro_: | Holy cow... the average net worth of a citizen of Abu Dhabi is 17 Million USD |
| [20:33:04] | iamlindoro_: | Totally OT, but WOW |
| [20:33:44] | sphery: | Oops... I meant #5359 |
| [20:33:55] | justinh: | well, since I set the time properly single recordings seem to be working |
| [20:34:07] | justinh: | or maybe it was really just one of those things & a very edgy bug |
| [20:34:52] | justinh: | ffs. backend time is off too |
| [20:35:07] | justinh: | how often does ubunuts sync it's time ffs? |
| [20:35:08] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: Something someone with a whacked out setup and ancient equipment will ultimately complain endlessly about without submitting bug info, no doubt :) |
| [20:35:35] | sphery: | justinh: interesting... don't see how a slightly offset time could affect whether it actually records (only when it starts/stops) as both frontend and backend are doing time conversions on the listings starttime to/from UTC/local only |
| [20:35:38] | justinh: | oh wait. something else I overlooked when I remade the box |
| [20:35:38] | Gorth: | Dagmar: Do you have any other thoughts, or would seeing screenshots help? or do you think I should file a ticket? |
| [20:35:41] | Gorth: | Dagmar: Do you have any other thoughts, or would seeing screenshots help? or do you think I should file a ticket? |
| [20:36:06] | justinh: | sphery: like I said maybe just coincidence. can't go back in time to try & reproduce it |
| [20:36:18] | sphery: | Gorth: a screenshot (or a camera pic of the screen--as the shot may not pick up the issue) would likely help us tell what the issue is |
| [20:36:19] | justinh: | I'll just make damn sure the times are always in sync from here |
| [20:36:55] | sphery: | yeah, I was going to go back in time to test a bug, once, but then I realized how much the power company charges for 1.21Gigawatts |
| [20:37:21] | iamlindoro_: | And you don't run that fast either |
| [20:37:27] | laga: | jigawatts? |
| [20:37:56] | sphery: | technically that movie is correct... The preferred pronunciation of "giga" before computers was "jiga" |
| [20:37:58] | Gorth: | shot has it. lemme upload them. |
| [20:37:59] | iamlindoro_: | Why, the only thing that could produce that kind of power is a bolt of lightning! |
| [20:38:04] | justinh: | tell you what though, I'm not impressed with how much slower this newer distro seems compared to Dapper :-\ |
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| [20:38:10] | iamlindoro_: | "What was that?" |
| [20:38:14] | iamlindoro_: | "A bolt of lightning!" |
| [20:38:53] | justinh: | I see a hell of a lot of "starting $application" in the status bar |
| [20:39:42] | sphery: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giga#Pronunciation |
| [20:39:59] | justinh: | mmm giggly whats |
| [20:40:07] | laga: | sphery: never seen the movie anyways |
| [20:40:47] | iamlindoro_: | laga: But.... but... It's a classic! |
| [20:40:51] | Gorth: | http://members.arstechnica.com/x/gorth/hd2sd1.png |
| [20:40:54] | sphery: | yeah, it's only worth watching in 1985, so unless you have 1.21gigawatts to spare, don't waste your time |
| [20:40:55] | Gorth: | and http://members.arstechnica.com/x/gorth/hd2sd2.png |
| [20:41:08] | iamlindoro_: | That chick's hot |
| [20:41:19] | Gorth: | that's going from an hd channel to the sd of the same |
| [20:41:36] | justinh: | hmmm this is also nice. time/date setting applet isn't letting me in |
| [20:41:39] | sphery: | Gorth: that's not deinterlacing, it's broken scaling in your video drivers/broken video driver configuration/broken video drivers |
| [20:41:46] | sphery: | (and it's not Myth :) |
| [20:41:50] | iamlindoro_: | ATI + old drivers |
| [20:42:06] | iamlindoro_: | (fixed in the latest, whose driver notes specifically reference the fix re: MythTV) |
| [20:42:06] | Gorth: | in reverse it's similar. |
| [20:42:48] | Gorth: | hrm |
| [20:44:04] | Gorth: | it is ati :) 780G for gfx. Looks like I'm running... |
| [20:44:15] | Gorth: | ati-drivers 8.561 |
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| [20:45:27] | gbee: | that's not a driver version, it's their internal version number |
| [20:45:41] | Gorth: | I'll try updating those, looks like .573-r1 is current in portage. Or would I be better with radeon or radeon-hd? |
| [20:46:41] | gbee: | Gorth: by the looks of it, that version is pretty old |
| [20:46:56] | sphery: | TTBOMK, there's absolutely no Xv support for the 780G in radeon or radeonhd because Xv requires 3D support in that chipset |
| [20:47:01] | sphery: | (ATI 3200HD, right?) |
| [20:47:05] | gbee: | the current software version is 8.582 (Driver version 9.2) |
| [20:47:19] | sphery: | and you /need/ Xv (or better) for Myth |
| [20:47:24] | gbee: | Gorth: just download the latest driver from the ATI website |
| [20:47:40] | gbee: | (64bit) http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux64/linux64-radeon.html |
| [20:47:44] | Gorth: | yeah, 3200HD |
| [20:48:02] | sphery: | yeah, can't use FOSS, then |
| [20:48:16] | gbee: | (32bit) http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux/linux-radeon.html |
| [20:48:18] | sphery: | Need the proprietary drivers unless you play all video without scaling |
| [20:48:48] | Gorth: | Yeah, that's what I thought abotu proprietary vs radeon-hd. |
| [20:48:52] | sphery: | not remembering for sure if "portage" is a Gentoo thing, but doesn't the installer even make Gentoo ebuilds for your? |
| [20:49:10] | Gorth: | *prays for the day when they get useful open drivers* |
| [20:49:18] | gbee: | right, 8.561 is driver version 8.12, so December 2008 |
| [20:49:32] | gbee: | current release is 9.2 (Feb 09) |
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| [20:49:46] | Gorth: | I'll grab that current |
| [20:49:55] | gbee: | nothing wrong with closed source drivers |
| [20:50:10] | Gorth: | surprises me a little that portage is that far behind on a popular package like that. |
| [20:50:21] | gbee: | 8.561 is the version number of the software included with the driver – the Control panel stuff |
| [20:50:28] | sphery: | I just wish they'd have an installer that's not so tied to specific filesystem configurations (i.e. makes too many assumptions/allows too little control) |
| [20:50:47] | gbee: | so Gentoo uses the wrong version numbers again ... |
| [20:50:55] | sphery: | gbee: like a package should actually use the proper version numbers? |
| [20:51:39] | sphery: | Don't you like getting bug reports about Myth 0.22_alpha20041, etc |
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| [20:52:23] | sphery: | I'd think you of all people would appreciate the creativity of packagers when they come up with version numbers to confuse users with ;) |
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| [20:53:44] | gbee: | heh |
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| [20:54:08] | Gorth: | Cute, they will generate an ebuild. I'm too lazy to do it that way ATM, auto-install it is |
| [20:54:10] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: At least in that example it appears to have the revision number :) |
| [20:54:35] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: yep, that's nice. And the 0.22 (which doesn't exist) implies trunk. |
| [20:55:10] | iamlindoro_: | Hmmm, want the answer enough to sit in the channel and get a half dozen people involved with diagnosing and showing you the fix, but too lazy to implement it. |
| [20:55:11] | iamlindoro_: | Good stuff. |
| [20:55:26] | sphery: | I do realize that packagers are constrained by the package manager's implementation, but it would be nice if it somehow made it clear to users that the version number they see is /internal/ only and provides some info about "real" version numbers. |
| [20:55:44] | dm-madman: | is it possible, when encoding videos from a dvd, to generate subtitles that mythtv's ineternal player can use |
| [20:55:53] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: he's implementing it--just doing so in a way that will confuse/break his package management on the system. |
| [20:56:16] | sphery: | (but, hey, with Gentoo, who needs package management :) |
| [20:56:33] | sphery: | just start over and recompile everything to upgrade |
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| [20:56:59] | dm-madman: | I have been encoding them in such a way that the subtitles are like they are part of the video, but it would be nice if i could turn them on and off and stuff |
| [20:57:08] | Dagmar: | F**king keybinds |
| [20:57:12] | iamlindoro_: | dm-madman: Not automatically-- you can either leave it an ISO or VOB, in which case the subtitles will be intact, or use some other tool to do the OCR and build an SRT... but DVD subtitles are bitmaps, so they need to be babysat/massaged if you want a text file output |
| [20:57:14] | Dagmar: | Make a release using imaginary numbers. See how they like that one. |
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| [20:58:45] | dm-madman: | at least some of them seem to have the CC that the television can pick up, those aren't images are they? |
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| [20:59:16] | dm-madman: | maybe i could use those if/when they exist |
| [20:59:56] | Gorth: | w00n |
| [21:00:01] | Gorth: | w00t even |
| [21:00:11] | Gorth: | Stupid drivers, I guess |
| [21:00:46] | sphery: | dm-madman: closed captions in analog TV are EIA-608 text based captions (in the US) |
| [21:01:25] | dm-madman: | so can i get mencoder/ffmpeg to do something with those that the mythtv internal player can use? |
| [21:01:32] | iamlindoro_: | No |
| [21:01:54] | dm-madman: | that sucks, i' guess i'll just do what i have been |
| [21:02:17] | sphery: | I've never seen EIA-608 captions on any of my TV series DVD's--but then again, I use players that don't really support them (that use the DVD subtitles, instead) |
| [21:02:28] | sphery: | (I don't watch DVD's on my Myth box) |
| [21:02:39] | Gorth: | thanks for the hand, guys |
| [21:03:02] | iamlindoro_: | I would be surprised to find that there was usable VBI on a (by definition compressed) DVD |
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| [21:04:05] | iamlindoro_: | That said, it looks like the DVD spec allows for VBI info to be included, but looks like it's a private stream |
| [21:04:23] | iamlindoro_: | Would be a waste of bandwidth, though |
| [21:04:29] | sphery: | Heh, fun and excitement for stuarta in #6299 ... Seems to be another QString threading issue (this time in EIT)--and in trunk. |
| [21:04:49] | sphery: | but it would be a very little bit of bandwidth |
| [21:04:59] | iamlindoro_: | yes, very little |
| [21:05:13] | iamlindoro_: | but redundant given the (presumably) pre-existing bitmap subs |
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| [21:05:29] | sphery: | and the fact that whatever plays the DVD should have subtitle support |
| [21:07:26] | gbee: | sphery: not seen the backtrace, but simply accessing an invalid pointer produces similar backtraces to the qstring thread safety issue |
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| [21:09:51] | sphery: | It's definitely a null pointer, but I assumed it was due to a threading issue (as it reportedly can run for days before crashing) |
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| [21:11:16] | iamlindoro_: | "frontend crashes and colapses X" |
| [21:11:26] | iamlindoro_: | Everybody Run!!!! Collapsing X! |
| [21:11:48] | gbee: | not sure why it's necessary to even mention X in the ticket, it's irrelevant |
| [21:12:02] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: yeah, that one sounds like buggy drivers |
| [21:12:12] | iamlindoro_: | I *think* he's saying somehow a audio buffer underrun is killing X |
| [21:12:49] | gbee: | nah, he was in here talking about it the other day, he knows well that X has nothing to do with anything |
| [21:13:08] | sphery: | oh, wait... I was thinking about a different one |
| [21:14:04] | gbee: | but insists on somehow blaming mythfrontend failing to start on X dying – the latter has to do with stupid configuration so that X only runs as long as mythfrontend does |
| [21:14:14] | gbee: | xinitrc or something |
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| [21:14:52] | gbee: | don't think it's a bug either, log looks like hardware failure/filesystem corruption |
| [21:14:54] | iamlindoro_: | oh, this is the minimyth guy? |
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| [21:15:18] | iamlindoro_: | Who wants to run the frontend without the backend on a distro designed to be run as a frontend only *with* a backend? |
| [21:16:16] | sphery: | Oh, you're talking about #6297... I did think it was broken X drivers because he insisted X was dying. (But if it's just mfe dying and his X session only waits on mfe, then it's not.) |
| [21:16:39] | sphery: | so, yeah, gbee I agree that the mention of X completely confuses the issue |
| [21:17:46] | gbee: | "mythfrontend: Fatal IO error: client killed" |
| [21:19:05] | sphery: | OK, that looks like X dying and mfe is killed because of it |
| [21:19:17] | sphery: | which means unrelated to Myth |
| [21:19:26] | justinh: | |
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| [21:49:46] | dustybin: | justinh: have you seen the glade fresh advert? how the hell can that be played when people are eating dinner lol |
| [21:49:55] | dustybin: | **language |
| [21:50:00] | justinh: | what's an advert? |
| [21:50:19] | dustybin: | erm.. annoying |
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| [21:51:24] | dustybin: | i fancy a cup of tea and a chocolate biscuit :D |
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| [21:52:18] | justinh: | thankfully our CH+ button (bound to 4 minute skip fwd) is ideal :) |
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| [21:52:28] | justinh: | and usually bang on the money :D |
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| [21:54:17] | dustybin: | justinh: watch it on youtube, search for 'glade touch fresh' |
| [21:54:32] | dustybin: | i cannot believe that is broadcast LOL |
| [21:56:50] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: not that I don't appreciate your work on it :) |
| [21:57:03] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: I wrote "Only tasing" at first |
| [21:57:08] | iamlindoro_: | which is less pleasant ;) |
| [21:57:20] | sphery: | (actually, I /very/ much appreciate it as it takes a lot of work off gbee's plate) |
| [21:57:40] | iamlindoro_: | I keep putting off documenting buttonlist |
| [21:57:42] | sphery: | but may actually get me more motivated to read it now |
| [21:57:42] | iamlindoro_: | I don't know why |
| [21:58:06] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: I thought I'd done a bit in the menu-ui.xml pahe |
| [21:58:08] | justinh: | *page |
| [21:58:13] | justinh: | or have you not seen that? |
| [21:58:34] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: No, not until just now |
| [21:59:07] | justinh: | will that do? |
| [21:59:29] | justinh: | good starting point if nothing else |
| [21:59:42] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: It'll give me a start, yeah, thanks :) |
| [21:59:57] | justinh: | buttonlist2.. heheh. now just buttonlist |
| [22:00:11] | iamlindoro_: | There's really not *that* much to it, I almost started on it this morning, but I wrote so much the last few days that I'm just a little "blah" on it right now |
| [22:00:44] | iamlindoro_: | I think I only have two or three widgets left to document, but I'm taking my time about going the last inch |
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| [22:01:54] | iamlindoro_: | Buttonlist, buttontree, group, and spinbox, I think |
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| [22:02:37] | iamlindoro_: | Eventually someone with strong mediawiki-fu should make it all pretty |
| [22:03:51] | justinh: | who cares how it looks if all the info is there & easy to read? |
| [22:04:23] | iamlindoro_: | I'm not sure it's as easy to read as it could be :) |
| [22:04:28] | sphery: | justinh: don't you mean, "Who cares how correct it is if it's pretty?" |
| [22:04:29] | iamlindoro_: | but I'll look at all that in the end |
| [22:04:32] | justinh: | more time should be spent on wikifacts :) |
| [22:04:36] | sphery: | after all, we want it to fit with the rest of the wiki |
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| [22:05:42] | justinh: | hrm. wonder if my BE uses DDR or DDR2 |
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| [22:05:56] | justinh: | needs more ram since I upgraded distro I think |
| [22:06:09] | iamlindoro_: | I think I have fully and accurately documented all the named attributes of MythVideo, MythNews, MythMovies, MythGallery, and MythBrowser now |
| [22:06:50] | justinh: | what about mythph.. oops :) |
| [22:06:51] | nick_fn: | Anyone here in the UK using DVB-S ? |
| [22:07:13] | nick_fn: | I'm thinking that one of the multiplexes (BBC News) has moved, and http://www.lyngsat.com/28east.html not updated yet... |
| [22:07:13] | justinh: | yeah my neighbours have Sky |
| [22:07:15] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: Plus some of them not having been MythUI'd buys me a reprieve |
| [22:07:37] | justinh: | heh |
| [22:07:48] | justinh: | eep. battery low.. time to go |
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| [22:25:28] | dustybin: | is MythTV now a 'mature' product? |
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| [22:26:54] | sphery: | Depends on the kind of content you record... Recording from some channels, it's definitely recommended that users be mature. |
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| [22:28:29] | jarle: | nick_fn: hang on I'll check my BBC News multiplex... |
| [22:28:45] | iamlindoro_: | certainly more mature than you will ever be |
| [22:29:33] | nick_fn: | jarle: I find a scan of "S 11954000 H 27500000 2/3" shows no channels found |
| [22:29:41] | nick_fn: | jarle: although a friend of mine does find it :-/ |
| [22:29:42] | dustybin: | LOLLLLL http://www.malevole.com/mv/misc/killerquiz/ |
| [22:29:53] | laga: | dustybin: have you been drinking again? |
| [22:30:28] | dustybin: | not this time :D |
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| [22:33:02] | jarle: | nick_fn: I can watch it just fine (I scanned my 28east last night (I'll see what multiplex I have in my db... |
| [22:33:46] | nick_fn: | jarle: it's just me then. Hmmm.... |
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| [22:35:37] | jarle: | nick_fn: you could try deleting your channels and re-scan... |
| [22:35:57] | nick_fn: | jarle: I'm trying with "scan" directly, so it's not mythtv being related |
| [22:36:22] | jarle: | nick_fn: from my db it could seem like it has moved to frequency 11953500 |
| [22:36:39] | nick_fn: | jarle: that's the freq in my table too |
| [22:37:22] | nick_fn: | scanning that also finds 0 services though |
| [22:37:33] | nick_fn: | maybe my dish is failing for that particular frequency?! |
| [22:38:11] | jarle: | nick_fn: quite possible |
| [22:38:49] | jarle: | nick_fn: however I'm in Norway and should have a weaker signal than you in the UK... |
| [22:39:06] | jarle: | nick_fn: so if I can get it, you should be able... |
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| [22:43:52] | nick_fn: | ah, got it back now. I reseated a join in my sat cable.... |
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| [22:49:54] | iamlindoro_: | "by the way, trac modified the name of some functions." |
| [22:49:57] | iamlindoro_: | *HUH?* |
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| [22:54:45] | gbee: | think he means that in the body of the ticket it turned them into wiki links |
| [22:55:43] | iamlindoro_: | ahhhh |
| [22:55:56] | iamlindoro_: | yeah, looks like |
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| [23:13:34] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: textarea isn't actually required in <button, only needed if you want text in the button |
| [23:14:52] | gbee: | so it's not so much "must contain" as errm.. not sure how I'd phrase it# |
| [23:15:35] | iamlindoro_: | ok, will fix when I finish my current edit |
| [23:16:12] | iamlindoro_: | I'll just call it "Optional named attributes" |
| [23:16:22] | iamlindoro_: | "which everyone should use if they are not stupid" |
| [23:16:26] | iamlindoro_: | ;) |
| [23:17:43] | gbee: | heh, I dunno, I quite liked the idea of using purely graphical buttons for a few things – e.g. a tick instead of 'Done'/'Finish'/'Ok/ |
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| [23:18:14] | gbee: | a magnifying glass or something for 'Search'/'Find' |
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| [23:18:35] | gbee: | dustbin for delete :) |
| [23:19:23] | gbee: | working towards most buttons have their text values defined in the theme anyway |
| [23:23:00] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: the buttontext textarea in the spinbox is required though, yes? |
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| [23:26:58] | gbee: | strictly speaking yes, it can be left out but that makes it pretty useless, however in a couple of minutes spinbox won't exist so ... |
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| [23:31:25] | ** iamlindoro_ wonders if that's still true ;) ** | |
| [23:33:18] | jams: | In case anybody is interested, a preview release of Knoppmyth r6 (linhes) is available at ftp://ftp.knoppmyth.net/R6/R6.00.07/. This is the version that was shown at SCALE over the weekend, it's not complete but very functional. |
| [23:33:58] | iamlindoro_: | There, now buttonlist and spinbox are documented, and I actually have no idea what the group widget does, soooooooooooooo |
| [23:34:03] | jams: | or so I have been told. |
| [23:35:18] | Dagmar: | It starts with a goldfish bowl full of car keys |
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