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| [00:01:52] | Dagmar: | If you did that you wouldn't have a problem |
| [00:02:18] | Dagmar: | "2009-02–21 18:15:08.006 VDPAU WARNING: H.264 VDPAU GPU decode not fully supported – playback may fail." |
| [00:02:22] | Dagmar: | Looks like it failed. |
| [00:03:41] | dougl: | Dagmar, if you know what I am missing or doing that I am not supposed to please help a guy out? |
| [00:03:42] | RDV_Linux: | Dagmar: I can playback with VDPAU under mplayer no problem. |
| [00:04:13] | Dagmar: | RDV_Linux: So... MythTV trunk isn't MPlayer |
| [00:04:55] | dougl: | wow :) |
| [00:04:57] | Dagmar: | It looks like you've just managed to find a file it ain't gonna play right now |
| [00:05:15] | Dagmar: | doug1: Exactly how am I supposed to know anything about your problem |
| [00:06:08] | RDV_Linux: | I only used mplayer to demonstrate that VDPAU is working on my machine. The file used is a HD-PVR recording. Others playback HD-PVR recordings with MythTV and VDPAU successfully. |
| [00:06:15] | dougl: | lol – I dunno... don't let me get to you tho, using the channel kinda like a sounding board, never know someone may have resolved a problem just like mine. |
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| [00:07:44] | Dagmar: | RDV_Linux: Nor all recordings are the same as one another |
| [00:08:43] | Dagmar: | The locking assertion is an issue with xcb |
| [00:08:54] | RDV_Linux: | Anyway the file does playback with mythvideo internal player but pauses for 30 seconds every few minutes. If I replay the same video pausing occurs at a different point in the video. |
| [00:10:13] | Dagmar: | Oh so now it does play |
| [00:11:15] | RDV_Linux: | I never wrote that it did not play I only mentioned that I get the log errors. |
| [00:11:46] | Dagmar: | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=610457 |
| [00:12:27] | Dagmar: | Try a non-pirated video |
| [00:12:42] | Dagmar: | perhaps something like Big Buck Bunny that we know was encoded with a sane codec |
| [00:12:47] | Dagmar: | ...not some pirate rip |
| [00:13:16] | RDV_Linux: | Thanks, I saw that. My videos are HD-PVR recordings not pirated at all. |
| [00:13:19] | Dagmar: | VDPAU is not stable |
| [00:13:23] | Dagmar: | I'm sur eno one told you it was stable |
| [00:14:38] | Dagmar: | Myth generates markov files now? |
| [00:14:53] | RDV_Linux: | I know it is not stable, U was just looking for some insight on the errors I am getting. I had not heard of anyone else having these specific errors with VDPAU. |
| [00:15:12] | Dagmar: | The locking error isn't vdpau |
| [00:15:44] | RDV_Linux: | I edit the HD-PVR recording with Avidemux and then process the mkv container with ffmpeg pr mkvmerge. |
| [00:16:09] | Dagmar: | So it's no longer the hd-pvr recording anymore then. |
| [00:16:31] | RDV_Linux: | The same thing occurs with a mpg HD-PVR recording. |
| [00:16:41] | Dagmar: | what " |
| [00:16:46] | Dagmar: | What "thing" |
| [00:16:59] | RDV_Linux: | The same errors. |
| [00:17:26] | Dagmar: | I give up |
| [00:17:48] | dougl: | lol – no, don't give up... |
| [00:17:57] | dougl: | we are not hopeless... |
| [00:18:02] | dougl: | just clueless |
| [00:18:17] | dougl: | but does it play? |
| [00:21:24] | Dagmar: | http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.ph . . . 5&page=9 |
| [00:21:28] | dougl: | I read on the wiki – "If something does not work then ask Dagmar on irc" |
| [00:21:35] | Dagmar: | ...and the subsequent parts of the thread may be of use. |
| [00:21:56] | Dagmar: | Byeond that you might want to question why you'r trying to use xv-blit in the first place |
| [00:22:18] | Dagmar: | Unstable code is unstable. Period. |
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| [00:22:59] | wagnerrp: | there is actually a page on the wiki that says 'ask Dagmar'? |
| [00:23:09] | wagnerrp: | i must see this |
| [00:23:15] | Dagmar: | There'd better not be |
| [00:24:44] | wagnerrp: | seems your user profile does say something of that sort |
| [00:24:55] | Dagmar: | I don't know if the stuff at 136–138 is broken file or broken vdpau |
| [00:24:57] | wagnerrp: | for slackware mythtv packages anyway |
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| [00:25:00] | Dagmar: | Oh yeah |
| [00:25:17] | Dagmar: | It makes me want to stab people in the face when they just download a bunch of stuff and do an `installpkg *` |
| [00:25:37] | Dagmar: | They wouldn't do that with slackware pakcages and expect it to work, but apparently it's somehow okay to do that to everyone else's stuff |
| [00:26:10] | wagnerrp: | and you would think slackware users would know better |
| [00:26:46] | wagnerrp: | of course you would expect people using a distro like gentoo to know what theyre doing |
| [00:26:52] | Dagmar: | A large part of the reason I've not managed to get any more Dropline stuff done is that I'm just sick and damn tired of getting emails and seeing blog posts bitching about things not working when someone does something that not only is not the way we suggested to do it, but is something we said explicitly won't work, no reasonable person would expect to work, and is being done by a complete jerk |
| [00:26:57] | wagnerrp: | several years later, and im still learning basic stuff here and there |
| [00:27:18] | Dagmar: | I'm as tolerant of newbs as I can be, but I can't tolerate the lies the users cough up |
| [00:27:51] | Dagmar: | Like, for example, if you Google my nym one of the things you'll find is some french jack*ss calling me names because of a problem we had with cwwilson on the forums |
| [00:28:25] | Dagmar: | Now, we (the DL devs) "know" cwwilson in that we know he's a reasonably experienced guy, if a bit of a hard-liner. He failed to heed warning #2 which is "don't install this on a polluted filesystem" |
| [00:28:42] | Dagmar: | Because let's face it, if you've trashed your filesystem by installing a bunch of crap, NOTHING a proper package can do will fix it |
| [00:29:01] | Dagmar: | So like, he posts to the forums saying he's having a problem with something really basic that we know works. |
| [00:29:16] | Dagmar: | We tell him "It does not work because your filesystem is not clean" |
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| [00:29:20] | Dagmar: | He says "No it's clean it's clean!" |
| [00:29:37] | Dagmar: | we can see in the output of what he's pasting the error messages which can ONLY result from having some stuff half-installed already |
| [00:29:50] | Dagmar: | We point them out to him, he realizes his mistake and goes off to sort it |
| [00:30:05] | wagnerrp: | actually, i google your name and pick up her... http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://ww . . . age&cd=1 |
| [00:30:33] | laga: | you might wanna add some NSFW tags ;) |
| [00:30:47] | Dagmar: | French jerkwad sees this and determines that I'm an asshole because I'm telling cwwilson I don't feel obligated to look more closely into his problem when he isn't looking at it at all (i.e., how did he post this log without reading it himself?), and pointing out the thing he is clearly overlooking |
| [00:30:48] | wagnerrp: | its a google image search |
| [00:30:59] | Dagmar: | Nah, "Dagmar d'Surreal" |
| [00:31:00] | wagnerrp: | doesnt google have optional content filters? |
| [00:31:24] | Dagmar: | But seriously tehres' only so much crap you can take from people |
| [00:31:51] | RDV_Linux: | Dagmar: A couple of things. I used to follow that thread until it was inundated with VDPAU and v0.21 postings. I have no issue with unstable code. I run trunk because of my HD-PVR. Log messages show xv-blit when you have the playback profile set to Normal, Thanks for your input, |
| [00:31:58] | wagnerrp: | i know if i wasnt getting paid to work on something, i would not be able to take much crap about it |
| [00:32:19] | Dagmar: | Oh yes, we're also apparently creating global warming because we didn't have source tarballs available readily everywhere |
| [00:32:34] | wagnerrp: | what? |
| [00:32:47] | Dagmar: | That was another thing the little wanker was going off about |
| [00:33:04] | Dagmar: | ...which frankly really pisses me off. It wasn't *my* problem, it was ongoing ebfore I joined the project |
| [00:33:20] | Dagmar: | Yet rather than contacting anyone, the dude goes off about it on his little blog that no one reads |
| [00:33:34] | Dagmar: | ...and when I say something about it, he takes it out on me as if I'm the one who did it that way |
| [00:34:27] | Dagmar: | It just kills me the number of people who want to whip-crack other people into doing all this legwork |
| [00:34:32] | wagnerrp: | i always enjoyed the concept of running off to blog about something |
| [00:34:47] | wagnerrp: | as if people actually read yours, and the millions of other's, blogs |
| [00:34:50] | Dagmar: | ...because they "can't". If they actually tried doing the legwork themselves, they'd quickly find that THEY are also people who can find stuff too |
| [00:35:10] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: Well the problem is what prospective employers might make of that |
| [00:35:28] | Dagmar: | The guy paints it as if I get up every morning and start my day by shoving a few puppies into a tree chipper |
| [00:35:32] | wagnerrp: | yeah, ive heard a fair bit of news about employers going onto facebook and such |
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| [00:35:40] | theHiphoppotamus: | I have a PVR-150. The input on the analog coax in gets enocded by the on board chip right? Anything I pass in via the s-video or component connections is already digital though right? and therefore doesn't need encoding? |
| [00:35:55] | Dagmar: | ...and I'm like, "Wait just a freaking minute... I put about 300 hours worth of work into these releases" |
| [00:36:10] | wagnerrp: | theHiphoppotamus: thats correct, any analog video you feed it will be encoded by the onboard chip and outputted as a nice clean mpeg2 stream |
| [00:36:21] | Dagmar: | If people can't handle being happy about getting that for free, then screw them |
| [00:36:42] | Dagmar: | theHiphoppotamus: S-video isn't digital man |
| [00:36:48] | Dagmar: | It's just analog with a higher quality connection |
| [00:37:07] | Dagmar: | I think wagnerrp kinda overlooked that in your comment |
| [00:37:07] | theHiphoppotamus: | Dagmar: so it does needed encoding them? |
| [00:37:30] | Dagmar: | Yes, it does need encoding and this is why you've got the absosmurfly wonderful encoder chip on the tuner card |
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| [00:37:31] | wagnerrp: | theHiphoppotamus: its analog, it needs encoding, but it is encoded by the chip, so you dont have to worry about it |
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| [00:37:54] | Dagmar: | The days before hardware-accellerated encoders were dark, dark days. |
| [00:38:04] | Dagmar: | Days like undo when trepanation was used to cure headaches, |
| [00:38:11] | Dagmar: | s/undo/unto/; |
| [00:40:08] | theHiphoppotamus: | okay, cuz I have a kword 115 (not in use, I have a pvr150 with a coax anlog connection, and a pvr-250 with a composite input come from my cable box) the 115 obviously doesn't have an encoder. |
| [00:40:40] | theHiphoppotamus: | now, high def signals (whether via cable or OTA) are digital right? |
| [00:40:41] | wagnerrp: | theHiphoppotamus: that is correct, you really shouldnt use (most) digital tuner cards for anything but digital |
| [00:40:58] | wagnerrp: | also correct, all broadcast HD is digital |
| [00:41:36] | Dagmar: | The reason for this is most cards that are meant for picking up digital signala (QAM, ATSC, DVB) have no encoding capabiliites for their analog components |
| [00:41:57] | Dagmar: | ...which means using the "hybrid" card for analog puts you back in the dark ages of 1988 and Bt8x8 framegrabbing |
| [00:41:58] | wagnerrp: | only the hauppauge HVRs 1600, 1800, and 2250 have onboard encoders |
| [00:42:13] | wagnerrp: | and the 1600 is the only one that currently works with mythtv |
| [00:42:16] | theHiphoppotamus: | can a high def singnal be sent over composite or s-video? or do you have to go with at least component (and prferebly hdmi) |
| [00:42:41] | wagnerrp: | 1988? what short of a mainframe back then would even have the capacity to send uncompressed video? |
| [00:42:59] | wagnerrp: | theHiphoppotamus: HD signals can only be sent digitally, or over component |
| [00:43:33] | wagnerrp: | and the HDPVR is the only device capable of recording HD signals over component |
| [00:43:52] | theHiphoppotamus: | okay, so the question of whether or not my 150 or 250 could handle an HD signal is moot then, cuz it doesn't have the right non-tuner based inputs anyway |
| [00:44:25] | wagnerrp: | the 150 and 250 are standard definition only |
| [00:44:46] | theHiphoppotamus: | and the kworld couldn't either, because its non-tuner inputs (composite and s-video both i think) also can't take in HD... |
| [00:44:48] | wagnerrp: | if you want HD, you either have to use a digital tuner, hope for firewire over cable, or pick up an HDPVR |
| [00:47:09] | theHiphoppotamus: | well, I'll be using a digital box for sure, too many of comcasts HD chanels are encrypted. so I'd be pulling the signal in like i do with my 250 now, via non-tuner inputs. technicaly, if the PVR-150 had a HDMI input, even if the tuner was just an analog tuner, I could pull in HD signals........but it doesn't. |
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| [00:48:09] | wagnerrp: | technically, no you could not |
| [00:48:27] | wagnerrp: | because the HDMI outputs will be encrypted using HDCP |
| [00:48:55] | wagnerrp: | otherwise, someone may have bothered to sit down and write drivers for the blackmagic HDMI capture card |
| [00:48:56] | theHiphoppotamus: | wouldn't they have been decrypted by the cable box? |
| [00:49:20] | wagnerrp: | the signal is encrypted by comcast, and decrypted by your cable box |
| [00:49:30] | meshe: | they would be encrypted before going out on the hdmi by the cable box |
| [00:49:34] | wagnerrp: | the signal is subsequently encrypted by your cable box and decrypted by your tv |
| [00:49:35] | theHiphoppotamus: | oh |
| [00:49:59] | wagnerrp: | you need to be a licensed vendor to decrypt HDCP |
| [00:50:09] | wagnerrp: | and you will never get a license if your intent is to capture said signal |
| [00:50:49] | theHiphoppotamus: | so, there is no way to get HD channels on a mythtv unless its available without going through a cable box/? |
| [00:50:51] | meshe: | hdcp is the encryption technology used to secure the connection between hd stb's, blu-ray players and your tv to prevent you from putting something like myth in between and recording it |
| [00:51:50] | wagnerrp: | HDCP strippers do exist, but they usually dont last long before an update is pushed out to disable their keys |
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| [00:53:31] | mike_hurley: | so i've been trying to figure out some of the video playback settings...4x3 videos look how i expect but widescreen videos don't go fullscreen on my 1080p tv |
| [00:53:32] | theHiphoppotamus: | I dont know this for sure, but I'm guessig that except for maybe the broadcast stations, any other HD station from comcast is going to require the converter box; which means myth can't capture it |
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| [00:53:47] | wagnerrp: | that depends |
| [00:54:01] | wagnerrp: | some cablecos do broadcast extra channels in the clear |
| [00:54:09] | wagnerrp: | i wouldnt expect too much though |
| [00:54:27] | wagnerrp: | silicondust maintains a database of available clearqam channels on their website, searchable by zip code |
| [00:54:38] | wagnerrp: | you can also capture digital cable over firewire from the cable box |
| [00:54:47] | meshe: | mike_hurley: there are different widescreen formats |
| [00:55:13] | wagnerrp: | but often that gets encrypted too(5c encryption), isnt DRM fun! |
| [00:55:19] | meshe: | does it fill the width of the screen? |
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| [00:55:41] | mike_hurley: | it's something i've noticed on dvd players too...some widescreen dvds play fullscreen and some older ones still have bars on top/bottom |
| [00:55:45] | mike_hurley: | yes it fills the width |
| [00:56:15] | theHiphoppotamus: | so, if I had HBO lets say, which includes hbo HD, which we KNOW wont be sent in the clear, there is no way I could capture it on my mythbox in HD |
| [00:56:35] | wagnerrp: | theHiphoppotamus: in -fixes, you would be correct |
| [00:56:36] | meshe: | then you're seeing the difference between the formats, anamorphic and ... can't remember the other |
| [00:56:50] | wagnerrp: | in trunk, you have the HDPVR, which will capture HD video on the component output of the cable box |
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| [00:57:24] | wagnerrp: | and while component outputs cannot be encrypted, they can be disabled |
| [00:57:37] | wagnerrp: | not yet in the US, but expect that it may happen |
| [00:57:47] | theHiphoppotamus: | trunk is the current stable release right? |
| [00:57:53] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [00:58:00] | wagnerrp: | trunk is the development branch |
| [00:58:11] | wagnerrp: | 0.21-fixes is the current stable release |
| [00:58:44] | mike_hurley: | meshe: is there a way to have myth scale widescreen videos to fullscreen on a widescreen display (my tv)? |
| [00:58:47] | theHiphoppotamus: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116030 you mean that? |
| [00:59:31] | mike_hurley: | essentially, setting Zoom to Full works great for my widescreen but it mucks up SD video |
| [01:00:02] | meshe: | mike_hurley: i'm not sure, but the reason for anamorphic widescreen is because the camera's filmed it that wide, if you zoom, you lose some of the video on the sides |
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| [01:05:04] | theHiphoppotamus: | wagnerrp: if that was the hdpvr you were talking about, how does one go about getting the single from that into myth? |
| [01:05:20] | theHiphoppotamus: | usb? |
| [01:05:24] | wagnerrp: | theHiphoppotamus: you connect it to your backend over USB |
| [01:05:37] | wagnerrp: | it outputs h264 at up to 13.5mbps |
| [01:06:08] | theHiphoppotamus: | well, its expensive, but at least I know there is a way to do it... and thats all I care about at this point |
| [01:06:18] | meshe: | anyone know if i'm stretching out my picture by having my recording profile for my pvr-350 set at 720x480 but the image size set to 16x9? |
| [01:06:57] | wagnerrp: | meshe: analog video will be 4:3, even if your recording is 720x480 |
| [01:07:06] | wagnerrp: | you should capture it as such |
| [01:07:43] | meshe: | why is it that if I hook up cable directly to my tv that it can pull a 16x9 aspect ratio? |
| [01:07:44] | wagnerrp: | im not sure what scenario you would want to set the recording profile to 16:9 |
| [01:08:15] | wagnerrp: | you hook it up through svideo or composite and get 16:9 video? |
| [01:08:59] | meshe: | if i put coax from the wall into the back of the tv, it shows widescreen shows as widescreen ie 16x9 |
| [01:09:21] | wagnerrp: | is this analog or digital cable? |
| [01:09:33] | meshe: | analog |
| [01:09:35] | wagnerrp: | digital cable may very well be 16:9 |
| [01:09:38] | theHiphoppotamus: | wagnerrp: thanks for all your help. hopefully hdpvr support will be in stable branch by the time I upgrad |
| [01:09:42] | wagnerrp: | analog cable is always 4:3 |
| [01:09:52] | meshe: | hmmm |
| [01:10:00] | wagnerrp: | even if it happens to be 16:9 video letterboxed to 4:3 |
| [01:10:05] | meshe: | maybe the tv is doing some kind of zoom |
| [01:10:24] | meshe: | which may be what myth is doing |
| [01:10:33] | meshe: | when i set it to 16x9 |
| [01:10:56] | wagnerrp: | 4:3 and 16:9 is just some flag you are setting in the video output of your 350 |
| [01:11:00] | wagnerrp: | it is not clipping anything |
| [01:11:20] | wagnerrp: | and myth will not automatically zoom, you have to tell it to |
| [01:11:34] | wagnerrp: | whether that is at time of playback, or by setting it as the default |
| [01:11:54] | meshe: | when i had it set to 4:3 it was displaying on my tv as 4:3 with side bars, when i switched it to 16x9 it fills the tv |
| [01:12:12] | wagnerrp: | it fills the TV, but it is stretched |
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| [01:13:18] | meshe: | yeah, thanks, that's what i was thinking |
| [01:13:50] | meshe: | i think i would prefer it stretched a bit rather than have the image size of a 20" 4:3 on my 32" 16:9 |
| [01:14:27] | wagnerrp: | why would you intentionally want to make the video stretched? |
| [01:14:35] | wagnerrp: | if its 4:3 content, leave it 4:3 |
| [01:15:05] | wagnerrp: | if its letterboxed 16:9 content, use one of the zoom modes to fill the screen, without stretching it |
| [01:15:24] | wagnerrp: | (stretching being expanding in one direction but not the other) |
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| [01:15:31] | meshe: | is there any kind of autozoom? |
| [01:15:49] | wagnerrp: | not that i know of, but you can access it from the on screen menu, or bind a button to it |
| [01:15:51] | theHiphoppotamus: | would this: http://cgi.ebay.com/Hauppauge-WinTV-PVR-150%2 . . . cmdZViewItem be a seperate input form the main card, or would it act as part of the card its attached too? |
| [01:16:56] | meshe: | thanks wagnerrp, i'll play around with that |
| [01:17:18] | wagnerrp: | the 150 only has a single encoder, meaning you can only capture off one input at a time |
| [01:17:28] | wagnerrp: | regardless of how many you have connected |
| [01:17:47] | theHiphoppotamus: | wagnerrp: thought so, dont think i have the thing to plug in a daughter card anyway... |
| [01:17:51] | wagnerrp: | now with the 500, you can connect that daughtercard to allow video capture on the secondary encoder |
| [01:18:01] | wagnerrp: | normally on the 500, there are only video inputs for one of the encoders |
| [01:18:28] | wagnerrp: | there is a little white header on your 150 that you can plug that into |
| [01:19:07] | theHiphoppotamus: | it looks like I can get another 150 for mot too much more anyway |
| [01:21:36] | theHiphoppotamus: | but considering the frequency at which I need to record more than 2 shows at once, I don't think they are cheap enough yet :-) |
| [01:21:56] | Tacroy: | Bleh |
| [01:22:15] | Tacroy: | If I were to buy a new TV capture card, which one should I get? |
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| [01:22:21] | wagnerrp: | ive never actually needed more than my two PVRs |
| [01:22:31] | Tacroy: | It seems like the Hauppauge ones that are still selling aren't well supported |
| [01:22:52] | wagnerrp: | although oddly enough, now that i have a trio of digital tuners, ive used all 5 at once before |
| [01:23:00] | theHiphoppotamus: | wagnerrp: it seems like once or twice a month there will be a night where three shows I want to record overlap at some point |
| [01:23:31] | wagnerrp: | Tacroy: the 1600 is supported well enough, the 1800 is digital only, the 2250 is completely unsupported |
| [01:23:41] | theHiphoppotamus: | most of the time I'm at home though, and can watch one of them on just the cable stright into the TV.... |
| [01:24:06] | theHiphoppotamus: | you can still find 150s on ebay and what not |
| [01:24:12] | Tacroy: | Really? The IVTV website says the 1600 is still in beta, do those drivers work well enough? |
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| [01:24:53] | wagnerrp: | most people can use them fine, there are a few analog bugs here and there, and one person in particular complains about the digital hardware |
| [01:25:12] | wagnerrp: | i dont have one personally, so i cant really comment on it |
| [01:25:23] | Tacroy: | Hmm allright then |
| [01:25:37] | Tacroy: | I guess it's either take my chances with beta drivers, or take my chances with eBay. |
| [01:25:59] | chrome: | Hey peeps, has anyone had any recent experience with the Elgato TV Diversity tuners? They are a dual digital tuner. 6 months ago were kinda broken driver wise, and I'm hoping someone can confirm that they work now? |
| [01:26:45] | wagnerrp: | chrome: digital tuners in mythtv are all accessed through the DVB subsystem |
| [01:26:54] | theHiphoppotamus: | thanks for telling me about that silicondust site. it shows a good amount of unencrpted digital channels, my kworld doesn't pick up anything though..... probably the card? |
| [01:26:57] | wagnerrp: | try #linuxtv or www.linuxtv.org for details on that card |
| [01:27:17] | wagnerrp: | theHiphoppotamus: it may be that a number of those channels are VOD channels |
| [01:27:25] | chrome: | wagnerrp: yup, last time I tried, the driver was not quite working; I guess its more of a linux TV question :) |
| [01:27:29] | wagnerrp: | VOD is usually broadcast in-the-clear |
| [01:27:36] | chrome: | thanks |
| [01:27:38] | wagnerrp: | so if you happen to scan while someone is using it, you can watch as well |
| [01:27:48] | theHiphoppotamus: | http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineupui . . . stcode=30102 doesn't look like it |
| [01:28:54] | chrome: | Here's a mythtv related question; what linux distro do people use for a mythtv media center these days? I've got a mac mini set up with OSX etc but I'd like it running MythTV on linux. I've used Ubuntu, and it seems fine, but was wondering if there were any better choices for MythTV dedicated machines? |
| [01:28:57] | theHiphoppotamus: | when I do a channel scan, it picks up some of the channels in the 80s, as well as a few others, but none of them ever get a lock except for 2 or 3 of them, and they have no audio and/or break up pretty bad |
| [01:29:26] | wagnerrp: | theHiphoppotamus: do you have two different providers in your area? |
| [01:29:54] | wagnerrp: | that is an absolutely amazing clearqam lineup |
| [01:30:03] | theHiphoppotamus: | chrome: mythbuntu, knoppmyth, and mythdora are all options......... I actually use gentoo, but only because I was familar with the distro and like it.... |
| [01:30:08] | theHiphoppotamus: | wagnerrp: nope, only one |
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| [01:30:46] | theHiphoppotamus: | how do I know what channel seperator to use? or is the fact that i can get some sort of visual from at least one channel mean that I'm using the right one (#) |
| [01:30:53] | wagnerrp: | theHiphoppotamus: i (and most other clearqam users) only pick up the local broadcast channels, and maybe the shopping networks and public access |
| [01:31:15] | wagnerrp: | the channel separator is whatever you want |
| [01:31:21] | wagnerrp: | it has no bearing on the function of mythtv |
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| [01:32:13] | chrome: | theHiphoppotamus: thanks, will give mythbuntu a look :) |
| [01:34:37] | theHiphoppotamus: | wagner: okayy, one of the stations listed is 80, program 210 |
| [01:34:55] | theHiphoppotamus: | but if i type 80#210, it doesnt let me type anything after the 2 |
| [01:35:23] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, ive never actually tried typing a digital channel in |
| [01:35:28] | wagnerrp: | in myth or on tv |
| [01:35:47] | wagnerrp: | however, if you want, you can renumber those channels however you wish |
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| [01:42:22] | theHiphoppotamus: | hmm, i set the fine tune value to 210 for one of the freqid 80 channels, still nothing |
| [01:42:49] | wagnerrp: | the 'fine tune' value tunes the frequency it tunes to |
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| [01:43:09] | wagnerrp: | the value '210' is the program id inside the mpeg transport stream |
| [01:44:04] | theHiphoppotamus: | oh |
| [01:44:17] | wagnerrp: | named channels go by their name, everything else would be <channel>#<program id> |
| [01:44:17] | theHiphoppotamus: | i guess i cant edit that via mythweb then |
| [01:44:24] | wagnerrp: | yes you can |
| [01:44:43] | wagnerrp: | there is a channel editor in mythweb |
| [01:45:07] | theHiphoppotamus: | okay, so change 80#2 to 80#210 for instance under "channum" |
| [01:45:50] | wagnerrp: | or, change it to 1000 if you wish |
| [01:46:52] | theHiphoppotamus: | not ifi want to tune to channel 80, program 201 though, that would be 80#201 |
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| [01:47:33] | wagnerrp: | 80#201 is just the default name the channel scanner assigns, when the program does not actually name itself |
| [01:47:40] | wagnerrp: | YOU can go back and name it whatever you want |
| [01:48:21] | theHiphoppotamus: | so, how do I tell it to go to 80#201? do i put 80#201 in the freqid? |
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| [01:48:33] | wagnerrp: | do not touch the freqid |
| [01:48:42] | wagnerrp: | just change the channum to whatever you want |
| [01:49:14] | theHiphoppotamus: | okay, thats what I did, it was 80#201, still didnt get anything |
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| [02:02:59] | theHiphoppotamus: | yea, i wiped out all the chanels i had for that card, and created a few manually, and still nothing....oh well, thanks again for all your help |
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| [02:22:15] | kimo_sabe: | so, since ATI claimed to support UVD in 8.10, did that do anything useful? |
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| [02:28:20] | iamlindoro: | not so far |
| [02:28:36] | iamlindoro: | They haven't released an API as of the latest drivers |
| [02:28:52] | iamlindoro: | so it may be the be-all-end-all but so far isn't any use |
| [02:29:28] | iamlindoro: | there are rumors that they have shared API information with a guy working on VA-API, which would overlay it, but until he submits patches to ffmpeg (and they are accepted) it's just hearsay |
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| [02:31:18] | iamlindoro: | Note that he *has* submitted patches for VA-API for ffmpeg and they are being worked through, but there is no mention of ATI support so far |
| [02:40:28] | kimo_sabe: | iamlindoro: thanks for the info. I just bought a VDPAU-capable card anyway so I was just curious |
| [02:40:52] | iamlindoro: | It'll probably ultimately come along, and the maturity level once it's available is anyone's guess. Guess we'll see :) |
| [02:41:33] | kimo_sabe: | how's 0.22 SVN doing stability wise? |
| [02:42:43] | iamlindoro: | depends on the user, generally. It's not something you should be using without reading all of the commits and dev lists religiously. Some parts are extremely stable (the backend) and some parts are under heavy construction at the moment (especially mythvideo) |
| [02:43:18] | iamlindoro: | Probably *not* a good idea for a production system where WAF is key if you are not comfortable coding fixes for problems yourself |
| [02:44:39] | kimo_sabe: | there's that pesky WAF, so I'll probably wait a while to try it |
| [02:45:23] | iamlindoro: | It's probably a few months out, but at least it's not a *year* out, so you may not have *that* long to wait in the grand scheme of things |
| [02:46:06] | kimo_sabe: | I was glancing through the trunk SVN and it looks like there's a bunch of DB changes in .22 |
| [02:46:13] | iamlindoro: | yes, many |
| [02:46:23] | iamlindoro: | Both schema and protocol |
| [02:46:48] | kimo_sabe: | that makes it trickier to try it... hmm |
| [02:47:05] | iamlindoro: | still just as easy to try, but trickier to change your mind ;) |
| [02:47:08] | kimo_sabe: | I do have an HD-PVR I'm testing for somebody. I might just have to setup another system |
| [02:47:15] | kimo_sabe: | :) |
| [02:47:17] | iamlindoro: | but that's why they make DB backups |
| [02:48:02] | iamlindoro: | anyway, a seperate system to play is a great idea |
| [02:48:04] | iamlindoro: | and the safest choice |
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| [02:51:37] | SHADOW__X1: | hello everyone |
| [02:52:37] | SHADOW__X1: | i am trying to use svideo to capture using the included composite to svideo converter but all that displays is black and white |
| [02:52:41] | SHADOW__X1: | any ideas>? |
| [02:53:42] | kimo_sabe: | don't those only work S-Vid->composite? |
| [02:53:55] | SHADOW__X1: | is that how it is |
| [02:53:55] | SHADOW__X1: | lol |
| [02:53:58] | SHADOW__X1: | that could be why |
| [02:54:19] | wagnerrp: | if the source is composite, why not capture over composite? |
| [02:54:29] | wagnerrp: | what source do you have that does not output svideo directly? |
| [02:54:32] | kimo_sabe: | since you can't recreate the missing data |
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| [02:54:54] | SHADOW__X1: | the hvr 1600 doesnt have a composite input on the panel |
| [02:56:11] | wagnerrp: | and the source? |
| [02:56:20] | SHADOW__X1: | composite only |
| [02:56:25] | wagnerrp: | what is it? |
| [02:56:35] | SHADOW__X1: | an older cable box |
| [02:56:47] | wagnerrp: | an upgrade should be free |
| [02:56:58] | wagnerrp: | since you dont actually own the box, just rent it |
| [02:57:14] | SHADOW__X1: | hmm yeah i guess i could do that then use svideo right |
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| [02:57:48] | wagnerrp: | call up your cableco, say you want to upgrade to a box with svideo |
| [02:57:58] | SHADOW__X1: | hows the support for the hvr 2250s |
| [02:57:58] | wagnerrp: | you should be able to go down to a local office and swap |
| [02:58:04] | SHADOW__X1: | wagnerrp: yeah i can |
| [02:58:07] | wagnerrp: | last i heard... in progress |
| [02:58:09] | SHADOW__X1: | guess ill do that |
| [02:58:37] | SHADOW__X1: | how about the hdpvr |
| [02:59:19] | kimo_sabe: | woohoo, time to test that new VDPAU card |
| [03:01:32] | SHADOW__X1: | iamlindoro hows your hdpvr what do i need to do run trunk |
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| [03:07:25] | SHADOW__X1: | alright got to go thaks those guys |
| [03:07:27] | SHADOW__X1: | thanks wagnerrp |
| [03:07:37] | SHADOW__X1: | thansk kimo_sabe |
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| [03:34:17] | PMantis: | I think Myth hates wife swap |
| [03:34:40] | PMantis: | I have a commercial flagging job stuck since the 13th. |
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| [03:36:38] | PMantis: | had to kill mythcommflag... it's been looking for a logo for waaaay too long |
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| [03:37:47] | jamesd: | PMantis, so it has good taste.. now we need to train it to hate, the nanny, any show with judge in it, and cops. |
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| [03:37:58] | PMantis: | lol |
| [03:39:46] | PMantis: | WOW! |
| [03:40:06] | PMantis: | I've had 3–4 GB mythbackend log files lately... |
| [03:40:19] | PMantis: | Most of the logs are likes like this: |
| [03:40:20] | PMantis: | 2009-02–21 22:34:48.430 [ac3 @ 0x7fd8fc685e90]frame sync error |
| [03:40:35] | PMantis: | I think that was the commercial flagging job |
| [03:40:56] | PMantis: | Must have been a messed up mpeg stream |
| [03:43:38] | kimo_sabe: | hmm, can't find "id(MPEGVIDEO_VDPAU)" |
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| [04:01:21] | wagnerrp: | kimo_sabe: did you install the nvidia 180 drivers, and build trunk with vdpau support? |
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| [04:08:56] | kimo_sabe: | wagnerrp: I tried building 0.21-fixes with the VDPAU patch, but it looks like the Debian pacakge stuff somehow reverted my manual patching |
| [04:10:01] | wagnerrp: | you will get no help in here with vdpau under 0.21-fixes |
| [04:10:17] | wagnerrp: | that is a 3rd party fork of mythtv |
| [04:12:25] | kimo_sabe: | ...that, or I forgot to actually save my manually patching of the file ;) |
| [04:12:58] | wagnerrp: | all assistance with vdpau under 0.21-fixes should be directed towards jean-yves avenard |
| [04:13:20] | iamlindoro: | preferably as persistently and annoyingly as possible |
| [04:13:44] | iamlindoro: | in e-mails written in all caps |
| [04:13:57] | kimo_sabe: | iamlindoro: heh, duly noted |
| [04:15:54] | wagnerrp: | kimo_sabe: basically, there is nothing wrong with using those patches. however make no assumption that you are still running mythtv. |
| [04:16:22] | wagnerrp: | and as such, there is no longer support from mythtv devs and other users |
| [04:16:36] | wagnerrp: | its like people coming in here and asking for help with linuxmce |
| [04:36:03] | Dagmar: | @#$@ sv tards |
| [04:36:06] | Dagmar: | wrong chan |
| [04:42:18] | wagnerrp: | seems im running low on ethernet connectors |
| [04:43:51] | Dagmar: | Quick! To the last remaining radio shack in town! |
| [04:45:09] | wagnerrp: | at the rate im going, these last 18 should last a fair bit |
| [04:45:23] | wagnerrp: | the previous 82 took maybe 4 years |
| [04:46:27] | wagnerrp: | and at the rate radioshack is getting out of the hobbyist business, they may well not sell connectors by the time i need them |
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| [05:02:17] | kimo_sabe: | fix the patching rejections in the tree you're actually compiling and things actualy work, imagine that :) |
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| [05:02:55] | kimo_sabe: | 20% CPU playing 720p60 |
| [05:03:20] | wagnerrp: | kimo_sabe: that is meaningless |
| [05:04:08] | wagnerrp: | 720p60 mpeg2? 720p60 h264? what bitrate? what encoding options? |
| [05:05:06] | kimo_sabe: | wagnerrp: mpeg2, broadcast, FFMPEG says 19000Kb/s. This same file was at like 45% CPU and stuttering |
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| [05:07:42] | kimo_sabe: | 720p30 h264 is hanging around 8–10%. Horray |
| [05:09:42] | wagnerrp: | CPU usage should be a small amount of power for the bitstream transfer, plus whatever is needed for audio decoding |
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| [05:10:32] | wagnerrp: | apparently ac3 is more intensive than whatever you were using on the h264 file |
| [05:10:38] | clever: | enless your using digital audio output:D |
| [05:10:48] | kimo_sabe: | 384KB ac3 vs unknown bitrate aac at 24kHz |
| [05:10:51] | clever: | lol |
| [05:11:14] | wagnerrp: | well if youre using digital output, ac3 should require nearly no CPU |
| [05:11:25] | wagnerrp: | and aac better not be 24khz |
| [05:11:29] | wagnerrp: | that would sound like crap |
| [05:12:16] | kimo_sabe: | unfortunatly the card I bought is wider than 1 slot so I had to remove the network card that doesn't drop frames left and right. Return of stutters from the HDhomerun :( |
| [05:12:40] | wagnerrp: | what other network card are you using? |
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| [05:12:52] | wagnerrp: | any 10/100 card should be sufficient for a HDHR |
| [05:12:55] | kimo_sabe: | wagnerrp: it's a subbed asian thing so the sound isn't that critical. |
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| [05:13:32] | kimo_sabe: | wagnerrp: I had a PCI-E card in before, but now I had to switch back to the onboard nvidia which has always had frame drop/crc error problems |
| [05:14:12] | kimo_sabe: | not video but ethernet frame drops |
| [05:14:43] | wagnerrp: | frame drops are a BAD THING |
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| [06:25:34] | waxhead: | what's the command to kick of extrenal channel grabbers? |
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| [06:52:56] | chrome: | hey guys, just wanted to say; mythbuntu works out of the box with my mac mini and the EyeTV Diversity :D Very cool. Now just need to sort out training the missus up on how to use it ^_^ |
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| [07:59:05] | ``sol: | hi |
| [07:59:27] | ``sol: | quick what's the right amount for smooth mythtv experience? |
| [07:59:43] | ``sol: | 2TB allright? what sorta raid needed? |
| [08:00:32] | pat_: | storage is dependant on how much tv you want to have available |
| [08:00:51] | pat_: | no raid needed, you can use whatever method you prefer |
| [08:01:20] | ``sol: | raid0? |
| [08:01:28] | pat_: | raid 1 |
| [08:01:43] | pat_: | you don't need speed, any drive will suffice |
| [08:01:50] | ``sol: | how many drives do I need in order to make raid 1? |
| [08:02:00] | pat_: | why do you want to raid them |
| [08:02:13] | ``sol: | to look more professional |
| [08:02:13] | pat_: | you can use them without raid and add them to your storage groups |
| [08:02:18] | ``sol: | and why not? |
| [08:02:45] | ``sol: | ok getting 2TB thanks a lot!! |
| [08:02:53] | pat_: | if you talk about raid, then suggest raid 0 I would suggest you rethink why you need raid at all |
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| [08:03:00] | pat_: | anyway, that's enough from me |
| [08:03:05] | pat_: | good evening to you sir. |
| [08:03:10] | ``sol: | lmao |
| [08:03:25] | ``sol: | ok 2TB only no raid. |
| [08:03:51] | ``sol: | how much RAM? this is for the backend |
| [08:04:41] | ``sol: | by the way is a dual core asolutely needed for backend performance? Because I'd like te recycle a p4 3GHz laying around. |
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| [08:09:15] | Agrajag-: | that will easily do for a backend only machine |
| [08:09:40] | Agrajag-: | (assuming you have digital tuner cards) |
| [08:09:53] | ``sol: | w00t |
| [08:09:54] | Agrajag-: | or cards that do hardware encoding |
| [08:10:10] | ``sol: | backend without tuners?? oO |
| [08:10:30] | ``sol: | mm.. which card do HD encoding on the fly? |
| [08:10:53] | ``sol: | apparently the one I have doesn't pinnacle i800 |
| [08:11:07] | ``sol: | uses cx88xx driver |
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| [08:11:44] | Agrajag-: | if you've only got one of them a p4 3ghz i think should be ok, since you'll only be encoding one show at a time |
| [08:13:15] | ``sol: | if I want two cards which one do you reccomend for the additional? |
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| [08:33:26] | ``sol: | no reccomendations? |
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| [08:47:16] | justinh: | you'd only need to encode HD on the fly if you were capturing analogue component HD from a set top box |
| [08:47:37] | justinh: | because you can't capture HDMI from a set top box directly |
| [08:47:46] | justinh: | at least, not in linux |
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| [08:48:25] | justinh: | and your typical 'HD' tuner cards only tune into HD streams and allow the (already encoded) streams to be dumped to disk |
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| [08:49:37] | justinh: | so if you want to capture component from a set top box, your only option is the hauppauge hd-pvr right now, and that isn't supported by mythtv 0.21 |
| [08:50:10] | justinh: | then if you want to capture HDMI from a set top box, you have to first convert HDMI to component, then grab it with a hauppauge hd-pvr |
| [08:58:21] | Gumby: | justinh, you lost me at "you'd only need..." |
| [08:58:23] | Gumby: | hehehe |
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| [09:04:49] | justinh: | wtf is so hard to understand about what I just said? :-\ |
| [09:09:51] | justinh: | hmmm. People I'll call 'Richard Head' are questioning my edits on MusicBrainz. Funny, a CD title is 'X', it has 'X' written all over the packaging and even the record company's own catalogue says it's called 'X'. Yet, those doofi want it to be called something else. Yay for user submissions |
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| [09:31:53] | at0m|werk: | justinh: having fun with musicbrainz again eh :] found this *nix app last time that has the option to tag all songs (loaded) with a single album. The name escaped me though.. |
| [09:32:30] | at0m|werk: | i remember that being one of your problems w their service |
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| [09:33:18] | at0m|werk: | maybe try your distro's version of "apt-cache search musicbrainz" |
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| [09:39:51] | AndyCap: | at0m|werk: picard ? |
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| [09:46:51] | at0m|werk: | not sure, using amarok or easytag myself, so i didnt pay much attention |
| [09:48:17] | at0m|werk: | AndyCap: but i remembered it was available and possibly usefull for him considering his previous criticism on tagging w different albums |
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| [12:14:40] | gbee: | anyone have CPU utililisation figures for 1080p VC-1 with VDPAU? |
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| [13:18:38] | AndyCap: | at0m|werk: anyhow, I think he used picard unless he's tossed it. |
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| [13:36:08] | tanderson: | Am I correct that lib/libmythfreesurround/libmythfreesurround.pro wants to link against -lfftw3f but configure only checks for -lfftw3? Is there a reason for this? |
| [13:36:46] | stuarta: | smells like a bug |
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| [13:39:15] | tanderson: | actually, I don't think fftw wants to ship fftwf anymore. It seems they are all in one library now |
| [13:41:41] | tanderson: | libmyth/libmyth.pro does as well |
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| [13:45:20] | tanderson: | stuarta: according to upstream you can simply link to -lfftw3 and the {f,l} functions will be in there |
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| [14:20:58] | thefRont: | hello everyone |
| [14:21:14] | thefRont: | another question about channel tuning |
| [14:21:35] | thefRont: | is it possible to change the timeout between frequency changes when scanning for channels? |
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| [14:23:27] | thefRont: | I think the timeout set is too short to get a lock on some frequencies. when I manually set a frequency to scan on, mythtv-setup shows me a signal strength and SNR but doesn't get a lock and gives me a timeout after about 0.5s which is too short I think |
| [14:24:02] | stuarta: | it's part of the card setup |
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| [14:25:45] | thefRont: | okay. got any idea where I could have a look to change this setting? |
| [14:30:51] | stuarta: | umm, perhaps try the card setup in mythtv-setup??? |
| [14:31:12] | ** stuarta looks around for the cluebat ** | |
| [14:31:25] | thefRont: | hehe |
| [14:32:57] | thefRont: | slap me in my face ;) |
| [14:32:58] | thefRont: | found it |
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| [14:33:16] | justinh: | ooo I'm gonna be sore later |
| [14:33:32] | justinh: | Trees 0 – Us 1 |
| [14:33:39] | thefRont: | ? |
| [14:33:45] | stuarta: | i'm sooooo glad you qualified that |
| [14:33:51] | justinh: | lol |
| [14:34:08] | sphery: | gbee: 1920x1080p30 takes exactly the same bandwidth as 1920x1080i60. If the content is filmed at 60fps and transmitted at 1920x1080i60, it has a higher temporal resolution than 1920x1080p30, so better for fast motion. Note that ATSC spec (at least--don't know about your specs) allows 1920x1080p24, 1920x1080p30, 1920x1080i60 as well as 1280x720p24, 1280x720p30, and 1280x720p24 ( ... |
| [14:34:12] | justinh: | and everybody still has the correct number of body parts intact :) |
| [14:34:14] | sphery: | ... http://www.hdtvprimer.com/ISSUES/what_is_ATSC.html ). TTBOMK, broadcasters are basically using as few variants as possible to minimize cost/amount of equipment required. |
| [14:34:26] | sphery: | gbee: at least, that's what I understand |
| [14:39:53] | gbee: | at some point I got it all turned around in my mind |
| [14:41:31] | ``sol: | which tuner do you reccomend? a cool one :} |
| [14:41:52] | gbee: | Nova-T 500 |
| [14:42:08] | gbee: | ooh, a Nova-S2 HD |
| [14:42:22] | stuarta: | :) |
| [14:42:32] | gbee: | a HD-PVR! Cos it has pretty blue lights! |
| [14:42:47] | stuarta: | bells n whistles! |
| [14:43:47] | stuarta: | bling++ |
| [14:44:28] | sphery: | Wow... Just noticed that a search of hte archives for vdpau gives 68 pages of results... Impressive considering it was annoounced on Nov 14, 2008 (just over 3 months ago). |
| [14:44:33] | ``sol: | any more recents ones? and yes I want one with blig-bling :) |
| [14:45:55] | sphery: | do we even know what type of tuner you need? (ATSC, DVB-T, DVB-C, DVB-S, analog NTSC, analog PAL, ...) |
| [14:46:21] | sphery: | Though I won't recommend any as I don't want to be the guy you blame when things go wrong. :) |
| [14:46:35] | ``sol: | USA HD |
| [14:46:40] | sphery: | that would be ATSC |
| [14:47:13] | sphery: | if it's over cable, you need QAM-capable. If it's over the air, you need 8VSB-capable (though most ATSC tuners will handle both well enough, anymore) |
| [14:47:34] | sphery: | best bet is probably to look at linuxtv.org |
| [14:47:44] | ``sol: | weird NOVA S2-HD is only for UK? |
| [14:47:52] | sphery: | http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_Devices |
| [14:47:56] | ``sol: | I already have one |
| [14:48:35] | sphery: | Well, DVB-S isn't too useful in the states (as all US sat providers are encrypting most all content). And, don't even know if any will ever use DVB-S2. |
| [14:49:15] | ``sol: | I have a pinnacle i800, is sweet |
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| [14:54:21] | sphery: | Finswimmer: 0.21-fixes? What distro? |
| [14:55:07] | Finswimmer: | sphery: Mythbuntu 0.21.20080304–1 rev 19046 |
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| [14:56:20] | sphery: | OK. Wanted to make sure you had a proper database config, otherwise, nothing you do would work. MythBuntu is configured right, so you're good. |
| [14:56:56] | sphery: | Like gbee said, I think it has to be UTF-8, though it's possible that as long as its valid XML with valid encoding/charset specified, it will work. |
| [14:57:24] | sphery: | the xmltv guys will likely know better. Just follow the xmltv requirements and it will work with mythfilldatabsae |
| [14:58:58] | Finswimmer: | sphery: Hmm. Just thought that you, as a dev, know exactly in which format it must be. |
| [15:01:53] | sphery: | Yeah, not a problem to ask, but I'm just saying that I don't really know what xmltv's requirements are (though I'd think that as long as it's good/properly-encoded XML, it would work). |
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| [15:11:44] | ``sol: | hi |
| [15:12:05] | ``sol: | is it possible to get OTA with an indoor antena in a city? |
| [15:12:26] | ``sol: | I assume there's plenty of coverage since it's a city |
| [15:14:27] | justinh: | I assume there's lots in the way of the signal, since it's a city. Y'know, with buildings & stuff |
| [15:15:13] | justinh: | and being indoors, there are these things called WALLS in the way. If those 'walls' are made of reinforced concrete.. er.. that has steel inside it and that tends to be bad for signals too |
| [15:15:28] | justinh: | in short, good luck with your indoor antenna :P |
| [15:16:46] | stuarta: | they work if you are close enough to the transmitter |
| [15:17:00] | ** stuarta used to be about 1 mile from the TX ** | |
| [15:17:10] | justinh: | so does a screwdriver shoved into the aerial socket :P |
| [15:18:21] | justinh: | hope I don't have a heavy day tomorrow at work. won't even be able to life a pen the way I'm going |
| [15:18:47] | justinh: | s/life/lift |
| [15:20:41] | gbee: | indoor antennas have never been perfect, even with analogue (people got used to the fuzzy/noisy/wavy picture, assumed it to be normal) |
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| [15:22:53] | justinh: | next to the coax cable & connectors the aerial is the weakest link in the chain |
| [15:23:35] | justinh: | it also depends what you mean by 'indoor antenna'. those bee-sting type things you get with most tuners are infact absolutely useless unless you can see the mast |
| [15:23:59] | ** justinh wonders where his lunch is ** | |
| [15:24:14] | stuarta: | in the dog? |
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| [15:40:08] | gravyflex1: | getting make error compiling 20038: error: stray ‘\’ in program |
| [15:40:26] | gravyflex1: | dvdnav/dvdnav.c: In function ‘dvdnav_open’: |
| [15:40:26] | gravyflex1: | dvdnav/dvdnav.c:79: error: stray ‘\’ in program |
| [15:40:26] | gravyflex1: | dvdnav/dvdnav.c:79: error: missing terminating " character |
| [15:40:26] | gravyflex1: | dvdnav/dvdnav.c:79: error: expected expression before ‘)’ token |
| [15:40:39] | gravyflex1: | any ideas on how to fix? |
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| [15:55:36] | justinh: | gravyflex1: corrupted source file? |
| [15:56:37] | gravyflex1: | not sure, i did a svn update |
| [15:57:05] | gravyflex1: | i am looking at the code but line 79 looks fine to me |
| [15:58:12] | iamlindoro: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6164 |
| [15:58:25] | iamlindoro: | Run trunk = follow commits = read tickets = already know solution |
| [16:02:04] | gravyflex1: | @iamlindoro, was that for me? |
| [16:02:50] | iamlindoro: | read the ticket and you tell me |
| [16:03:12] | justinh: | bollards. looks like I might have a job getting new parts for my chainsaw :( |
| [16:03:36] | gravyflex1: | bare with me i am just getting the hang of this... |
| [16:04:31] | iamlindoro: | The implication is that since you are running trunk, you shoudl be religiously following the dev and commits lists, in which case you should already have known the answer to your problem as you would have read that ticket's recent comments and patches |
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| [16:05:57] | filefreak: | hey all |
| [16:06:14] | filefreak: | i have a basic question |
| [16:06:34] | filefreak: | i understand that i need multiple TV cards to view/record multiple programs |
| [16:06:48] | filefreak: | but...do these have to be in the backend? |
| [16:06:59] | filefreak: | or can i have one or more in the backend for recording |
| [16:07:15] | filefreak: | and one in the frontend for watching (recording to the backend) |
| [16:07:36] | justinh: | tuners in a frontend makes it abackend |
| [16:07:57] | justinh: | you can of course have multiple backends |
| [16:08:37] | filefreak: | but can i set it to record to the central backend? |
| [16:08:58] | filefreak: | how does myth tv treat multiple hard drives/backends? |
| [16:11:50] | filefreak: | if i have videos on more than one HDD for instance... |
| [16:12:25] | filefreak: | perhaps it keeps a centralised database? |
| [16:12:47] | filefreak: | if so, what if i move these videos into other folders or on another HDD |
| [16:12:53] | filefreak: | will the database update |
| [16:13:12] | filefreak: | i have yet to try myth tv...but i want to be sure before i do |
| [16:13:19] | filefreak: | thanks in advance |
| [16:13:23] | at0m|werk: | the db can be on any machine running the mysql server |
| [16:14:13] | at0m|werk: | the files can be on different machines, using network shares and storage groups |
| [16:15:16] | filefreak: | and if i move the files around...will the database update? |
| [16:15:29] | at0m|werk: | that, unfortunately, no |
| [16:15:40] | filefreak: | can you trigger manual updating? |
| [16:15:50] | filefreak: | or does it require editing of configs |
| [16:16:14] | at0m|werk: | i wish mythtv would make a hash like amarok, so you can move files around without affecting db too much |
| [16:17:01] | at0m|werk: | did you read through the wiki? |
| [16:17:01] | filefreak: | perhaps you can recommend it in the forums? |
| [16:17:04] | filefreak: | some of it |
| [16:17:26] | filefreak: | thanks for your help |
| [16:17:40] | at0m|werk: | :) |
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| [16:40:09] | gbee: | you can move files between storage groups locations without the database needing to be updated |
| [16:41:31] | gbee: | at0m|werk: ^^^ |
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| [16:42:58] | at0m|werk: | gbee: oh, cool, didnt know that! cheers |
| [16:44:16] | gbee: | heh, Radiotimes reviewer has already written off Law and Order UK |
| [16:44:55] | olejl_: | damn, my remote have stopped working. Does anyone know where I can start to try to fix it again? |
| [16:44:55] | wagnerrp: | theyre making ANOTHER version? |
| [16:44:59] | keith4_: | gbee: that's awesome! (moving files, not Law and Order UK) |
| [16:45:08] | wagnerrp: | they only have 12 other versions |
| [16:45:30] | keith4_: | how many does CSI have? |
| [16:45:38] | wagnerrp: | only 7 |
| [16:47:10] | at0m|werk: | gbee: Storage Groups is just for recordings, right? moving a local rip or download wouldn't follow? |
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| [16:53:05] | gbee: | until 0.22 |
| [16:54:56] | at0m|werk: | excellent :D IMHO it makes most sense for non-recording files, since there's no automatic balancing there like for recordings and storage groups |
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| [16:56:35] | olejl_: | I get this this error message when starting the frontend: 'LIRC: GetCodes — eof?' Anyone know what it means? |
| [17:06:13] | gbee: | don't need automatic balancing for videos, they don't arrive on the system automatically |
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| [17:09:19] | cityLights1: | hi |
| [17:09:47] | keith4_: | olejl_: are you using lirc? |
| [17:10:47] | wagnerrp: | i feel... dirty |
| [17:10:57] | wagnerrp: | i just installed an antivirus program for the first time in 7 years |
| [17:11:08] | cityLights1: | <wagnerrp> : hi there |
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| [17:11:21] | cityLights1: | why would you install an antivirus? |
| [17:11:39] | cityLights1: | ok, remeber you helped me with the utf in gentoo? |
| [17:11:54] | wagnerrp: | sister's computer is all hosed up, so i plugged her hard drive into my desktop to scan it |
| [17:12:18] | wagnerrp: | cityLights1: i dont really know anything of the gentoo/mysql/utf issue beside the fact that it exists |
| [17:12:20] | cityLights1: | well now I can load the fornt end, but when I choose watch tv – liveTv X crashs using 0.22 |
| [17:12:34] | wagnerrp: | i use gentoo, but thats not where my database lives |
| [17:12:46] | olejl_: | yes I'm using lirc |
| [17:13:14] | cityLights1: | so these are the last lines in my var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log |
| [17:13:18] | wagnerrp: | cityLights1: check your frontend logs |
| [17:13:20] | cityLights1: | http://rafb.net/p/eZCeJv52.html |
| [17:13:38] | wagnerrp: | if they dont show anything descripted, bump up your verbosity, rinse, and repeat |
| [17:13:42] | cityLights1: | I had 0.2 working on this stand alone |
| [17:14:03] | cityLights1: | where to seek frontend logs? |
| [17:14:25] | cityLights1: | I dont see any other logs in var/log/mythtv |
| [17:14:38] | wagnerrp: | looks like mythfrontend dies when the backend refuses to give it a video stream |
| [17:14:57] | wagnerrp: | you have a framegrabber, rather than an mpeg encoder? |
| [17:14:57] | cityLights1: | need I file a bug report now? |
| [17:15:05] | cityLights1: | right |
| [17:15:19] | wagnerrp: | seems you dont have the proper audio encode installed |
| [17:15:27] | cityLights1: | I guess that I mess around too much and now nothing works as it used to |
| [17:15:44] | wagnerrp: | i would assume its just looking for mp3, maybe lame, maybe ffmpeg with mp3 support |
| [17:16:14] | wagnerrp: | by default, ffmpeg is not compiled with mp3 support |
| [17:17:10] | cityLights1: | will saying "it used to work here two days ago" help me? |
| [17:17:16] | cityLights1: | (I guess not) |
| [17:17:28] | wagnerrp: | you havent rebuilt anything since then? |
| [17:17:52] | cityLights1: | I did rebuild to mythtv 0.22 head |
| [17:18:11] | cityLights1: | seems I got an ungrade for ffmpeg |
| [17:18:19] | cityLights1: | -0.4.9_p20090201 |
| [17:18:45] | cityLights1: | wow you r right mp3 flag is missing |
| [17:19:27] | cityLights1: | need I also add the encode flag? |
| [17:20:32] | wagnerrp: | i really dont have any experience with framegrabbers or encoding in mythtv |
| [17:21:11] | gbee: | mythtv doesn't use ffmpeg libs |
| [17:21:27] | gbee: | upgrading ffmpeg won't do anything useful |
| [17:22:19] | wagnerrp: | i knew video was maintained separately from the ffmpeg branch, but audio as well? |
| [17:22:28] | gbee: | the recording profile seems to be missing/corrupt/wrong (did you hand edit it?) |
| [17:23:00] | gbee: | mythtv doesn't link against external ffmpeg libs at all, for music/video/other |
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| [17:24:11] | cityLights1: | no I reinstalled mythttv 0.22 head and dropped the mysql myth db |
| [17:24:23] | cityLights1: | then I reinstalled it... |
| [17:26:04] | cityLights1: | I just check to see I configed it to use audio of /dev/dsp1 |
| [17:26:20] | cityLights1: | so I got no idea why the audio codec is missing |
| [17:26:52] | cityLights1: | when I use sox to actally hear what comes in via /dev/dsp1 I hear sound ok |
| [17:27:13] | cityLights1: | how can I make it log more info? |
| [17:28:11] | wagnerrp: | '-v all' |
| [17:28:31] | cityLights1: | need I > it to a file? |
| [17:28:51] | wagnerrp: | if you wish, or use '-l <file>' |
| [17:30:02] | cityLights1: | ok |
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| [17:30:06] | cityLights1: | let me reproduce |
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| [17:31:57] | laga: | hey, no fornication in here |
| [17:32:37] | iamlindoro: | Purely asexual |
| [17:32:43] | iamlindoro: | he just splits |
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| [17:39:52] | iamlindoro: | Anduin, Stepping out for a bit, but was curious whether you had any "Myth time" coming up to look at the metadata patch(es)... let me know when /if you get a second |
| [17:40:45] | iamlindoro: | Have been using it full time for weeks with no issues whatsoever |
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| [17:46:36] | cityLights2: | hi is anyone still around after this power outage here? |
| [17:46:54] | cityLights2: | can anyone take a peak at may crashed logs? |
| [17:46:57] | cityLights2: | http://rafb.net/p/md73sR46.html |
| [17:47:02] | ** stuarta twiddles his ipv6 thumbs ** | |
| [17:47:14] | cityLights2: | stuarta: thnaks |
| [17:47:28] | ** gbee chuckles ** | |
| [17:47:49] | stuarta: | just got my ipv6 up and running :) |
| [17:47:59] | stuarta: | now on freenode via ipv6 \o/ |
| [17:48:05] | cityLights2: | I need to remember your handles guys , gbee mainly |
| [17:48:41] | gbee: | no, forget me! |
| [17:48:50] | ** stuarta hides gbee ** | |
| [17:49:18] | ** stuarta does the jedi "this is not the gbee you are looking for" on cityLights2 ** | |
| [17:50:14] | sid3windr: | stuarta: now get myth to do v6 :> |
| [17:50:28] | stuarta: | hah! |
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| [17:50:39] | sid3windr: | then I can deprecate v4 on my backends and frontends \o/ |
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| [17:50:40] | stuarta: | doesn't extend as far as my house yet |
| [17:50:46] | stuarta: | that's phase 2 |
| [17:50:48] | sid3windr: | hm no. |
| [17:50:51] | sid3windr: | I can't :( |
| [17:50:57] | sid3windr: | hmm or can I |
| [17:50:59] | sid3windr: | no, I doubt it |
| [17:51:16] | sid3windr: | I wonder if linux can do v6 nfs root .. guess so |
| [17:51:19] | cityLights2: | ok ok I will sit here alone in silence in the dark and wait |
| [17:51:20] | sid3windr: | but pxe surely can't |
| [17:51:21] | cityLights2: | :-) |
| [17:51:42] | cityLights2: | wait can't ipv6 do pxe? |
| [17:51:57] | sid3windr: | don't you mean, can't pxe do ipv6? |
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| [17:52:11] | sid3windr: | and no, I highly doubt it can |
| [17:52:12] | cityLights2: | also , what would you actually benifit from using IPv6? ha? |
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| [17:54:27] | Honk: | no more dynamic ips from dhcp servers, no more changing ips from isps and no more nat for example :p |
| [18:00:32] | cityLights2: | and are these all GOOD things? |
| [18:00:41] | keith4_: | they're fantastic things |
| [18:00:46] | tfm: | for peer2peer yes ;) |
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| [18:01:17] | cityLights2: | stuarta gbee: any idea we mythtv 0.22 crashs my X ? http://rafb.net/p/md73sR46.html |
| [18:02:01] | cityLights2: | also why whould th log say Finished recording Unknown: channel 1026 |
| [18:02:24] | cityLights2: | while I use european-west so all chanells are SE26 and so |
| [18:02:30] | cityLights2: | no 1000 chanel |
| [18:02:33] | cityLights2: | channel |
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| [18:06:06] | justinh: | trees felled, dog walked (twice), car cleaned. next – bath dog, then feet up :) |
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| [18:06:26] | ** stuarta beers justinh ** | |
| [18:06:27] | justinh: | be glad to have a rest next week :D |
| [18:06:35] | laga: | justinh: cutting down trees on a sunday? |
| [18:06:36] | justinh: | cheers stuarta :) |
| [18:07:02] | justinh: | laga: yeah. some god or other forbade work on sundays but they're somebody else's god |
| [18:07:07] | gbee: | mythtv isn't crashing your X, X is crashing itself |
| [18:07:20] | laga: | justinh: so it's not prohibited by law to cause so much noise? |
| [18:07:30] | justinh: | nope |
| [18:07:44] | laga: | oh, interesting. couldn't do that in germany |
| [18:07:50] | justinh: | anyway, the chainsaws werent going for all that long before they broke :-\ |
| [18:08:10] | justinh: | the clutch has gone on mine, and my mate's saw has a broken starter now |
| [18:08:22] | justinh: | still, cheaper than hiring one :) |
| [18:08:24] | laga: | should build one übersaw |
| [18:08:53] | justinh: | really good fun though |
| [18:09:49] | gbee: | laga: if you really upset your neighbours with loud noise for a prolonged period and especially in late evening/night then they can make a complaint (which might eventually result in prosecution) but it's not illegal just to make some noise on Sunday |
| [18:09:58] | justinh: | there are still some massive logs left over but we need to repair the chainsaws before dealing with those |
| [18:10:16] | justinh: | stupid toy chainsaws :P |
| [18:10:17] | gbee: | in fact Sunday is the only day that most people get to do work around their homes DIY etc |
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| [18:10:41] | justinh: | if anything, the local dog training centre is what causes the noise around here on Sundays |
| [18:11:00] | justinh: | that and the trial bikes being used illegally |
| [18:11:17] | justinh: | still tempted to get some steel wire |
| [18:12:28] | ** laga shudders at the thought of someone doing something to his bike ** | |
| [18:12:51] | justinh: | 2 strokes are _the_ most annoying noise IMHO |
| [18:13:51] | justinh: | wouldn't care but they're on public land, and that's not legal. the police have stings from time to time where people end up with their bikes confiscated – and when they have so many they make an example of them all at a local point of interest.. and put the lot in a crusher :D |
| [18:14:31] | cityLights1: | any idea how to post here a 250K log file? |
| [18:14:37] | justinh: | </victor-meldrew> |
| [18:14:40] | cityLights1: | how to split befor nopaste? |
| [18:14:59] | justinh: | man tail |
| [18:15:07] | gbee: | cityLights1: it's normally only necessary to post the last 20 lines |
| [18:15:38] | cityLights1: | http://rafb.net/p/fcvLvq14.html |
| [18:15:53] | cityLights1: | this is what the frontend tells before crashing X |
| [18:16:13] | gbee: | again, mythtv doesn't crash X, x crashes |
| [18:16:24] | gbee: | subtle distinction, but an important one |
| [18:16:36] | cityLights1: | the backend logs are: http://rafb.net/p/md73sR46.html |
| [18:16:36] | justinh: | is this still with minimyth? |
| [18:17:15] | cityLights1: | no its not minimyth its gentoo |
| [18:17:24] | justinh: | gbee: in minimyth, when mythfrontend goes down, so does the script that started X.. so X goes aswell :( |
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| [18:35:03] | cityLights1: | ok guys, my SO is calling |
| [18:35:29] | cityLights1: | I hope to try you later, maybe understand what is wrong and if I should report a bug |
| [18:37:13] | gbee: | "mythfrontend: Fatal IO error: client killed" whatever the cause, that can't be good |
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| [18:54:32] | sveinung: | Anyone here doing lossless h264 TS -> PS transcoding? How? How much space are you saving? |
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| [19:00:47] | stuarta: | sveinung: if it's lossless you shouldn't save anything unless you are using lossless to drop data streams |
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| [19:03:55] | sveinung: | MPEG2 TS -> PS reduces the size up to 20% by throwing away "metadata". But I expect the effect to be less with big h264 streams |
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| [19:12:07] | gbee: | s/metadata/data streams/ |
| [19:12:56] | wagnerrp: | right, any 'metadata' there may be is inconsequential to the video stream |
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| [19:15:57] | justinh: | I looked at the PID filtering once. oof. I don't wanna go there |
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| [19:45:35] | dougl: | does anyone know if a twinhan vp1020a dvb card will do HD satellite? |
| [19:47:06] | justinh: | free to air HD satellite in the USA? ooooo I fear no such thing exists |
| [19:47:10] | wagnerrp: | use of DVB cards for satellite in north america is a bit of a grey area |
| [19:47:48] | wagnerrp: | isnt shaw in Canada? |
| [19:48:31] | justinh: | free to air HD on satellite is prolly as scarce in Canada as it is in the US |
| [19:48:49] | wagnerrp: | well im sure it is, if not more so... |
| [19:50:28] | dougl: | good enuff then – thanks for the info :) |
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| [19:50:58] | dougl: | shaw is in canada = yes |
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| [19:51:28] | wagnerrp: | basically, there is no FTA HD, and AFAIK, everything sent by directtv/dish and the like is encrypted |
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| [19:58:00] | cityLights1: | back |
| [19:58:21] | cityLights1: | ok gbee, you said you see fatal error |
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| [19:59:30] | cityLights1: | o ok how can I find out why my frontend got a fatel error? strace? |
| [20:02:46] | cityLights1: | there is just not enougth info in the log to tell me why the frontend droped dead |
| [20:07:12] | cityLights1: | ok while the front end was abouit to die the backend said this: http://rafb.net/p/vsxP5Y36.html |
| [20:08:09] | cityLights1: | why the hell do I see chanid 1026 and not SE19 ? |
| [20:09:32] | laga: | cityLights1: the chanid is internal. SE19 would be the freqid AFAIR |
| [20:12:11] | cityLights1: | laga: any idea how to debug this? |
| [20:13:03] | cityLights1: | if I could only isolade some stuff , i mean the front end does work, its just the live tv dies |
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| [20:28:19] | bagpuss_thecat: | has anyone got any experience of the Ubuntu MythTV maintainer group? |
| [20:28:33] | bagpuss_thecat: | ie, does one exist or is it wishful thinking? |
| [20:28:39] | laga: | bagpuss_thecat: there is one |
| [20:28:54] | bagpuss_thecat: | do they do anything? |
| [20:29:00] | laga: | yes, they do quite a lot |
| [20:30:19] | bagpuss_thecat: | 28% of their bugs have been triaged. Seems a bit low I'd have though |
| [20:30:20] | bagpuss_thecat: | t |
| [20:30:33] | iamlindoro: | how many have you fixed so far? |
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| [20:31:08] | iamlindoro: | I presume since 28% is low to you that you have some noteworthy percentage that you've fixed personally |
| [20:31:09] | bagpuss_thecat: | none, so I'll just return this free software to the shop |
| [20:31:29] | bagpuss_thecat: | however, when I do take on a job, I ensure I communicate |
| [20:31:35] | ** laga can feel his left eyelid twitching ** | |
| [20:31:37] | bagpuss_thecat: | each to their own |
| [20:31:41] | iamlindoro: | good thing it's not a job then |
| [20:31:45] | bagpuss_thecat: | laga: I know yuo do, I'ev seen your activity |
| [20:31:58] | cityLights1: | I really got to stop tweeking my ups while working – power keps going down.. |
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| [20:32:46] | laga: | bagpuss_thecat: feel free to contribute. telling us how to do our job is not contributing. we do know what the bug tracker looks like and we try to stay on top of it. *lots* of these bugs are crasher bugs which need to be investigated or just closed because they're not relevant |
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| [20:33:14] | bagpuss_thecat: | laga: I just wanted to know if it existed |
| [20:33:25] | bagpuss_thecat: | I've seen many dead projects and groups on the internet |
| [20:33:43] | iamlindoro: | You got your answer to whether it existed |
| [20:33:46] | iamlindoro: | then you went on talking |
| [20:33:51] | iamlindoro: | rudely |
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| [20:34:39] | bagpuss_thecat: | iamlindoro: let's just agree to disagree, shall we? |
| [20:34:45] | laga: | yes, please. |
| [20:34:51] | bagpuss_thecat: | laga: ta |
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| [20:36:09] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
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| [20:36:40] | kormoc: | Wow, complaining that folks don't spend enough of their free time on things you get for free is amazingly self centered |
| [20:36:44] | kormoc: | I hate users... |
| [20:37:03] | cityLights1: | :-( |
| [20:37:07] | cityLights1: | I am a user |
| [20:37:16] | cityLights1: | and I am nice most of the time |
| [20:37:19] | kormoc: | heh |
| [20:37:35] | kormoc: | One bad apple spoils the bunch they say :P |
| [20:37:37] | cityLights1: | I donate and even publish bugs |
| [20:37:51] | kormoc: | (I was just venting, tis all) |
| [20:38:08] | cityLights1: | o ok |
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| [20:38:51] | ** laga hasn't been contributing a lot just because it doesn't feel fun anymore ** | |
| [20:38:55] | laga: | let's hope that will change :) |
| [20:39:19] | bagpuss_thecat: | kormoc: lol, I just wanted to know if they existed. They can spend as little or as much of their time as they like, but at least there's now an answer. Feel free to continue the debate, but the question has been answered :-) |
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| [20:40:03] | bagpuss_thecat: | laga: fun things are much more tempting :-) |
| [20:40:08] | cityLights1: | as I am still seeking an answer what would you suggest I do to find out why my front end goes: write -> 22 33 MESSAGE[]:[]RECORDING_LIST_CHANGE |
| [20:40:08] | cityLights1: | mythfrontend: Fatal IO error: client killed |
| [20:40:13] | ** bagpuss_thecat spends his weekends volunteering around the countryside ** | |
| [20:41:16] | bagpuss_thecat: | cityLights1: is it possible to increase the verbosity under which mythbackend runs? |
| [20:41:27] | cityLights1: | I mean the backend shows no sogned of any error |
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| [20:41:50] | cityLights1: | YES last line read: http://rafb.net/p/fcvLvq14.html |
| [20:42:02] | bagpuss_thecat: | doh, the frontend |
| [20:42:37] | bagpuss_thecat: | does strace show anything useful? |
| [20:43:29] | bagpuss_thecat: | I'll give up here :-/ |
| [20:43:50] | cityLights1: | http://rafb.net/p/gieRG479.html |
| [20:44:07] | cityLights1: | should I strace it? |
| [20:44:44] | cityLights1: | it will be difficault to get good traces , I will need to remerge with debug on |
| [20:45:06] | cityLights1: | and also cancell gcc from disposing of the symbols |
| [20:45:10] | cityLights1: | hmm |
| [20:45:11] | bagpuss_thecat: | might be worth a shot, but I thought I saw strace mentioned earlier. thought you'd tried it already |
| [20:45:32] | ** bagpuss_thecat is no developer or programmer ** | |
| [20:45:38] | cityLights1: | must I rebuild myth with debug to use strace? |
| [20:45:47] | cityLights1: | to get minigfull traces , that is? |
| [20:46:03] | bagpuss_thecat: | no idea, tbh |
| [20:46:16] | cityLights1: | is gbee a dev? |
| [20:46:28] | gbee: | no |
| [20:47:19] | cityLights1: | at what poing should I file a bug? after I nail it down to a specific function in myth? |
| [20:47:31] | dustybin: | are the usual original mythtv themes all being updated so they work in .22 ? |
| [20:47:39] | cityLights1: | dman it I hate being so lazy |
| [20:48:03] | cityLights1: | will look into it later |
| [20:48:26] | cityLights1: | I just hoped the logs may shade some light .. |
| [20:51:58] | gbee: | dustybin: you volunteering? |
| [20:52:18] | iamlindoro: | god help us |
| [20:52:29] | dustybin: | :P |
| [20:52:35] | dustybin: | no i just wondered |
| [20:52:36] | iamlindoro: | Although I hear there's some work being done on a MythUI manual |
| [20:52:47] | iamlindoro: | but searching for it sounds like too much work |
| [20:52:49] | dustybin: | i will do a theme at some point |
| [20:53:24] | dustybin: | this weekend was my last weekend of drinking with friends so will have free time at weekends |
| [20:54:05] | cityLights1: | guys, in case I use the ATI free drivers for Xorg can I still use Xvmc? |
| [20:54:16] | iamlindoro: | You can't use XVMC with any ATI drivers |
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| [20:54:20] | iamlindoro: | closed or open |
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| [20:54:41] | gbee: | be happy about it, XvMC is and always was crappy |
| [20:54:42] | iamlindoro: | Possibly you meant Xv? |
| [20:54:56] | iamlindoro: | In which case both the closed and open drivers have varying levels of support AFAIK |
| [20:55:02] | ** dustybin checks to see if .22 is still on 69% ** | |
| [20:55:23] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, Xvmc is icky |
| [20:55:47] | dustybin: | what the h*ll is 0.21.1 ? |
| [20:56:24] | cityLights1: | what is the quickest way to tell which version is head? 20031? |
| [20:56:35] | cityLights1: | is there a robot here to tell me? |
| [20:56:47] | dustybin: | cityLights1: the bot is called 'clever' |
| [20:56:49] | iamlindoro: | erm... what? Are you asking how to find out the latest revision number? |
| [20:57:00] | iamlindoro: | in which case, svn.mythtv.org/trac/log |
| [20:57:00] | cityLights1: | right |
| [20:58:39] | cityLights1: | wow , so much work being done.. |
| [20:58:58] | laga: | yeah, these guys are amazinh |
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| [20:59:47] | cityLights1: | asowme, I am baking myth now with symbols – will post a bug soon |
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| [21:02:20] | dragonbyte: | hello |
| [21:05:05] | bagpuss_thecat: | morning |
| [21:05:31] | dragonbyte: | had a few user questions was hoping I could get some feedback/opinions on |
| [21:06:27] | dragonbyte: | heard rumor that you can build a myth server and then just netboot |
| [21:06:39] | dragonbyte: | client machines hooked up to TVS |
| [21:06:43] | bagpuss_thecat: | yup, entirely possible |
| [21:06:50] | bagpuss_thecat: | TVS? |
| [21:07:18] | dragonbyte: | pretend the S is ss |
| [21:07:20] | dragonbyte: | s |
| [21:07:21] | dragonbyte: | ARG |
| [21:07:23] | bagpuss_thecat: | :-) |
| [21:07:33] | dragonbyte: | had another interesting thought/idea |
| [21:07:37] | bagpuss_thecat: | yeah, connect to televisions just fine if you have the right hardware and drivers/modules |
| [21:07:50] | dragonbyte: | that was the next piece, hardware suggestions |
| [21:08:03] | dragonbyte: | how does the DVI->HDMI thing work? |
| [21:08:19] | dragonbyte: | DVI doesn't send sound and HDMI is expecting audio isnt it? |
| [21:08:21] | bagpuss_thecat: | magic, I believe |
| [21:08:44] | bagpuss_thecat: | HDMI doesn't require audio, iirc, but it can carry it if it's present |
| [21:09:08] | bagpuss_thecat: | there's a couple of dvi+audio -> hdmi adaptor boxes available from places on the net |
| [21:09:41] | dragonbyte: | just saw a few, they look unholy expensive |
| [21:10:09] | dragonbyte: | what are the better ways to get audio to the TV? |
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| [21:11:03] | gbee: | pure hdmi |
| [21:11:44] | iamlindoro: | Optical, coaxial, anything a receiver will take, anything your TV will take, etc. |
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| [21:12:03] | dragonbyte: | well kinda pondering using a thin client setup |
| [21:12:11] | dragonbyte: | they have a DVI video and just a 3.5mm audio jack |
| [21:12:20] | bagpuss_thecat: | dragonbyte: I know a friend uses a dvi+audio to hdmi adaptor box he got from http://www.cableuniverse.co.uk |
| [21:12:26] | bagpuss_thecat: | but that's the only source I know of |
| [21:12:33] | iamlindoro: | Since your TVs are likely just stereo, go 3.5mm to dual RCA on the TV and call it a day |
| [21:12:47] | ** bagpuss_thecat doesn't bother sending audio to the TV. That's what the amp is for ** | |
| [21:13:23] | dragonbyte: | i am tempted to try and use a SunRay thinclient at the TV |
| [21:13:29] | bagpuss_thecat: | http://www.cypress.com.tw/product.php?PId=712 . . . ame=HDMI/DVI Signal Format Converters&SR=0 |
| [21:13:33] | bagpuss_thecat: | dragonbyte: oooh, nice |
| [21:13:50] | dragonbyte: | they are small, relatively cheap, silent |
| [21:13:52] | bagpuss_thecat: | what are SunRay clients like these days? |
| [21:14:01] | dragonbyte: | little grey box with a smart card reader |
| [21:14:01] | ** bagpuss_thecat last used one when working at Sun about 5 years ago ** | |
| [21:14:12] | dragonbyte: | they don't look like those bizarre shark fins anymore |
| [21:14:16] | bagpuss_thecat: | phew |
| [21:14:34] | dragonbyte: | i don't know if i should laugh or cry that you knew what I was talking about :) |
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| [21:14:42] | bagpuss_thecat: | gfx performance on teh sharkfin style ones was shit |
| [21:14:54] | dragonbyte: | the SunRay 2s don't seem bad |
| [21:14:54] | bagpuss_thecat: | might have been due to teh E15ks they were hooked up to though |
| [21:15:06] | bagpuss_thecat: | dragonbyte: cry, definitely cry :-) |
| [21:15:12] | cityLights1: | any gentoo users in the channel? |
| [21:15:43] | dragonbyte: | cityLights1: they are probably busy fixing their computers, its the weekend, and when you use gentoo you get stuck dedicating your weekend to recompiling everything |
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| [21:16:02] | dragonbyte: | :) |
| [21:16:24] | dragonbyte: | bagpuss_thecat: the SunRay 2 has a DVI connector and ships with a DVI->VGA adapter |
| [21:16:49] | bagpuss_thecat: | not bad |
| [21:17:02] | dragonbyte: | bagpuss_thecat: so hardware wise it seemed like about all I would need |
| [21:17:18] | dragonbyte: | bagpuss_thecat: now...figuring out how to get it to connect and so on may be a slightly different story |
| [21:17:24] | bagpuss_thecat: | can it do fullscreen video now, without tearing and framedropping? |
| [21:17:40] | dragonbyte: | that i'm not sure |
| [21:18:02] | bagpuss_thecat: | give it a shot with a basic dhcp/tftp netboot setup before committing entirely to using it :-) |
| [21:18:10] | phunyguy: | yaay... I got surround working, but I can't get mplayer to play the surround device – it's still doing 2 channel. |
| [21:18:21] | dragonbyte: | I think it heavily depends on the network performance |
| [21:18:24] | phunyguy: | ...which is upmixed back to 5.1 |
| [21:19:08] | phunyguy: | i did a speakertest on surround51 device, and it worked correctly, then i did a speakertest on the default device, and it did the left and right front channels upmixed to 5.1 ..lol.. |
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| [21:19:33] | phunyguy: | in myth I have the default device as ALSA:surround51 |
| [21:19:37] | phunyguy: | :-/ |
| [21:19:51] | phunyguy: | yet mplayer reports 2 channel on media i know for sure is 5.1 |
| [21:20:37] | dragonbyte: | so does myth do a good job of managing videos n such? |
| [21:20:44] | dustybin: | WTF justinp_home have you seen a advert on ITV , Glade touch and fresh |
| [21:20:48] | ** dustybin is shocked ** | |
| [21:20:50] | bagpuss_thecat: | phunyguy: tried -channels 6 with mplayer? |
| [21:20:51] | dragonbyte: | We are looking at ripping all of our DVDs to mpegs and then storing them for the myth server |
| [21:21:29] | bagpuss_thecat: | phunyguy: you may have to update mplayer.conf to enable 5.1 support 'by default' |
| [21:21:41] | phunyguy: | yes |
| [21:21:46] | phunyguy: | i did. |
| [21:22:05] | phunyguy: | AUDIO: 48000 Hz, 2 ch, s16le, 192.0 kbit/12.50% (ratio: 24000->192000) |
| [21:22:13] | phunyguy: | which is incorrect |
| [21:22:13] | bagpuss_thecat: | ouch |
| [21:22:16] | phunyguy: | that's what mplayer logs. |
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| [21:22:57] | phunyguy: | what do i put in mplayer.conf? I want to compare with what I have... |
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| [21:24:27] | dragonbyte: | bagpuss_thecat: since you are familiar with SunRays what do you think the best setup would be to use SunRays as the "clients"? |
| [21:24:36] | bagpuss_thecat: | phunyguy: just stuck channels=6 into mplayer.conf |
| [21:24:44] | phunyguy: | yeah – did that |
| [21:24:47] | phunyguy: | thats it |
| [21:24:52] | phunyguy: | no 6 channel |
| [21:24:54] | phunyguy: | :( |
| [21:25:09] | bagpuss_thecat: | dragonbyte: I really couldn't say for sure in relation to Sunrays. I've never administered them |
| [21:25:17] | phunyguy: | but speakertest on the surround51 device works fine... i get all 6 channels out of the right speakers |
| [21:25:30] | bagpuss_thecat: | I only use netbooting at home and at work for starting netboot installers and imaging systems |
| [21:25:31] | dragonbyte: | bagpuss_thecat: how does the frontend work on a linux box? |
| [21:25:37] | phunyguy: | and speakertest on the default device i get upmixed 5.1 from stereo |
| [21:25:42] | dragonbyte: | well the sun rays don't really net boot |
| [21:25:52] | phunyguy: | (I have no /etc/asound.conf or ~/.asoundrc |
| [21:25:56] | phunyguy: | ) |
| [21:26:16] | bagpuss_thecat: | dragonbyte: it just runs as another application |
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| [21:26:46] | phunyguy: | hmmm |
| [21:26:46] | phunyguy: | Unimplemented resampler for mode 0xA -> 6 channels conversion – Contact MPlayer developers! |
| [21:26:54] | phunyguy: | i get that for 5, 4, and 3 as well. |
| [21:27:07] | phunyguy: | all the way down to 2. 2 works. |
| [21:27:18] | dragonbyte: | bagpuss_thecat: how do you normally set that up for a client? I assume people arent using mouse/keyboard to get the client frontends on the TV working |
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| [21:34:04] | bagpuss_thecat: | dragonbyte: myth seems mostly orientated around key based operation, although it will accept mouse operations |
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| [21:34:16] | bagpuss_thecat: | so you can assign keyboard keys or infrared remote keys to particular functions |
| [21:35:05] | bagpuss_thecat: | personally, I have a couple of thick client frontend machines that boot up, automagically log in via gdm, and start mythfrontend |
| [21:35:20] | bagpuss_thecat: | from there on, the keyboard or remote does all the work |
| [21:35:42] | bagpuss_thecat: | my desktop and laptop both run mythfrontend, but it's just another application on the gnome menu |
| [21:35:54] | bagpuss_thecat: | so whatever suits you :-) |
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| [21:39:49] | dragonbyte: | bagpuss_thecat: ok...so it really is just a matter of setting up the automagical login and autostarting mythfrontend |
| [21:40:14] | dragonbyte: | with a single server backend how do multiple frontends work with TV, are they all stuck on the same channel? |
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| [21:40:54] | bagpuss_thecat: | multiple frontends can log in to the backend and do whatever they like, from watching stored videos, stored recordings or livetv |
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| [21:41:19] | bagpuss_thecat: | your tuner cards, however, may limit it to watching or recording from one channel, or multiplex, at a time |
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| [21:42:01] | dragonbyte: | bagpuss_thecat: so that is a function of how many channels the tuner card can handle? (I haven't actually had TV in 5 years, not really worried about it, but it would be nice to know if I decide to hook it up) |
| [21:42:14] | bagpuss_thecat: | heh, yep :-) |
| [21:42:21] | dragonbyte: | we pretty much just do DVDs |
| [21:42:30] | bagpuss_thecat: | cool |
| [21:42:31] | dragonbyte: | which is the main point of this. DVDs and any downloaded videos |
| [21:42:51] | bagpuss_thecat: | oh aye, the mythvideo component will be your favourite then :-) |
| [21:43:15] | dragonbyte: | part of my thought is if I build a SunRay server and just get a few sun rays I can use some for the TVs and the kids can have them to get to a linux desktop |
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| [21:43:25] | dragonbyte: | my 3yr old LOVES gcompris |
| [21:43:25] | bagpuss_thecat: | someone else in the channel will be able confirm or deny that mythtv can record multiple streams from a single multiplex simultaneously |
| [21:43:40] | bagpuss_thecat: | dragonbyte: hehehe |
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| [21:43:49] | dragonbyte: | but I am sick of them bickering over the edubuntu desktop and there is the whole hardware damage risk, a thin client is a bit harder to mess up :) |
| [21:43:50] | bagpuss_thecat: | well, if the sunray hardware is capable, I don't see why not |
| [21:43:52] | justinh: | yup. as many as you want, but up to 5 unless you hack the code |
| [21:44:06] | bagpuss_thecat: | groovy |
| [21:44:17] | bagpuss_thecat: | my backends would probably fall over at 4 or more :-) |
| [21:44:22] | justinh: | doubt it |
| [21:44:30] | bagpuss_thecat: | you've not seen the hardware :-) |
| [21:44:48] | dragonbyte: | what all does the back end mess with? |
| [21:44:52] | justinh: | pfft. if my hardware copes, pretty much anything can |
| [21:45:07] | justinh: | dragonbyte: recording, scheduling, transcoding & commercial flagging |
| [21:45:08] | dragonbyte: | does it highjack Apache or does it just add enough to let you serve configs |
| [21:45:14] | justinh: | ruh? |
| [21:45:21] | justinh: | has FA to do with apache |
| [21:45:36] | dragonbyte: | so can you set it up without the whole web config nonsense? |
| [21:45:38] | bagpuss_thecat: | dragonbyte: it's a separate program entirely. Nothing to do with apache, or anything like that |
| [21:45:53] | justinh: | nonsense? |
| [21:45:58] | bagpuss_thecat: | unless you want to use mythweb, but that's Just Another Web Application(tm) |
| [21:46:39] | justinh: | I recommend some people read some docs |
| [21:46:45] | bagpuss_thecat: | dragonbyte: got a computer spare? have a play with mythbuntu |
| [21:46:49] | justinh: | mythtv.org is a good place to start, as is the wiki |
| [21:47:04] | dragonbyte: | hmm...prolly wasn't clear. If I install the backend on a server how much other stuff does it muck with if anything? What I read said that it had web configuration stuff enabled so I was concerned that it has other dependencies and setup stuff |
| [21:47:10] | justinh: | as good as we are here at putting people right |
| [21:47:28] | bagpuss_thecat: | dragonbyte: doubt it would muck up anything else |
| [21:47:37] | justinh: | it has plenty other dependancies, sure |
| [21:47:46] | bagpuss_thecat: | aye, true |
| [21:47:56] | justinh: | and if you have any other apps that might want to use your tuners with, say goodbye to that |
| [21:48:07] | dragonbyte: | i dont have tuners :) |
| [21:48:26] | dragonbyte: | actually I might, I think I have an ATI all in wonder card somewhere still |
| [21:48:32] | justinh: | forget that one |
| [21:48:36] | justinh: | seriously |
| [21:48:47] | dragonbyte: | easy enough :) its been buried for a while, its pretty ancient |
| [21:48:54] | dragonbyte: | my biggest goal is the DVD and maybe audio library |
| [21:48:55] | justinh: | what's with all these on-tuner card people lately? |
| [21:49:02] | justinh: | *non-tuner |
| [21:49:13] | dragonbyte: | TV is the suck :) |
| [21:49:19] | justinh: | mythtv, by virtue of its name is for TV. the other media stuff is secondary |
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| [21:50:09] | dragonbyte: | whoa! |
| [21:50:12] | dragonbyte: | mythgame! |
| [21:50:15] | bagpuss_thecat: | justinh: TVs are "media devices" these days :-) |
| [21:50:21] | justinh: | that's not to say it's not good at what it does in other areas – it is, but there are better things to use for those. Easier to set up.. not necessarily better in terms of features |
| [21:50:44] | justinh: | pfft. downloaders et all. they can all go to hell in a boxee handcart |
| [21:50:50] | ** bagpuss_thecat was surprised to see that the Bravia he's hoping to get also has wireless, SD slots, and the xcross media bar... ** | |
| [21:50:59] | bagpuss_thecat: | and dlna/upnp support |
| [21:51:00] | ** dragonbyte slaps justinh ** | |
| [21:51:16] | dragonbyte: | I will have you know I have paid a kings ransom for all the DVDs I have laying around that my 3yr old is trying to mangle |
| [21:51:18] | bagpuss_thecat: | wtf? I just want a big TV with a few HDMI ports tyvm |
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| [21:51:54] | bagpuss_thecat: | fnar, Myleene Klass |
| [21:52:26] | dragonbyte: | I haven't downloaded anything (well, except for fan subbed anime that isn't available here) in even a longer time than it has been since I got rid of TV |
| [21:52:34] | justinh: | jees I wish I still had ops |
| [21:52:49] | justinh: | best I can do is put people who slap me on ignore & to hell with them |
| [21:53:20] | bagpuss_thecat: | humour failure :-) |
| [21:53:29] | justinh: | bagpuss_thecat: and fwiw said 'meejia' TV will probably only play a limited number of formats, badly. but hey, early days |
| [21:53:49] | bagpuss_thecat: | justinh: indeed, sadly |
| [21:53:56] | bagpuss_thecat: | sad, but tinged with a sense of hope |
| [21:54:30] | dragonbyte: | is mythdvd the playing/ripping piece? |
| [21:54:32] | justinh: | I'd _love_ a TV that can literally just deal with everything. really. no frontend.. just the TV on the network. Been longing for that for at least 10 years |
| [21:54:45] | dragonbyte: | or is it better to just rip the dvds separately? |
| [21:55:14] | justinh: | where the hell is the mythical convergence consumer appliance?! |
| [21:55:20] | justinh: | ;) |
| [21:55:22] | bagpuss_thecat: | justinh: maybe MS can promise you such features :-) |
| [21:55:32] | justinh: | they can promise all they want |
| [21:55:44] | justinh: | how often do they deliver? ;) |
| [21:55:48] | bagpuss_thecat: | in the meantime, I'll stick with Linux and a bigass LCD/Plasma screen |
| [21:55:50] | wagnerrp: | justinh: a couple flying monkies just stole mine out of my living room |
| [21:56:17] | bagpuss_thecat: | justinh: if they cock up like they did with Vista, quite quickly :-) |
| [21:56:29] | dragonbyte: | I hear that they are working on a consumer convergence appliance...its like a giant trash compacter they use to squeeze money out of people with |
| [21:57:29] | justinh: | anyway the bare fact of the matter is.. a mythtv box you're not using for TV features.. still needs a backend. and a mysql server. If you're cool with that then fine. You go get it |
| [21:57:59] | justinh: | but if it was me, personally I'd just go with something else. And I'm an advocate of mythtv |
| [21:58:06] | dragonbyte: | justinh: what else? |
| [21:58:09] | gbee: | convergence devices are fine until you realise that you've spent a grand on it and a year later it doesn't support the next great thing or that media codec that's now the de-facto standard |
| [21:58:42] | justinh: | people are even finding that now with devices that have HDMI. early adoption bites harder than ever |
| [21:58:45] | gbee: | at least with mythtv etc you can upgrade the hardware/software to support such changes |
| [21:58:53] | bagpuss_thecat: | ja |
| [21:58:59] | dragonbyte: | justinh: the mythgame/mythvideo/mythweb stuff seems to be pretty nice with the possibility of slapping a tuner card in if we ever decide to get TV again |
| [21:59:18] | dragonbyte: | the killer for me is I only want a few TV channels but to get the ones I want I have to pay the $100+/month mega ultra bundle package |
| [21:59:22] | justinh: | and fwiw I don't think we'll ever see this 'mythical convergence' consumer box.. at least not in a form that remains as versatile as anything done in software |
| [21:59:27] | dragonbyte: | when those clowns give me alacarte TV I will pay |
| [22:00:13] | justinh: | just look at the mess PS3 & XBOX 360 media formats are in... stuff the boxes are blatantly more than capable of playing.. they just *don't* |
| [22:00:28] | gbee: | and they will go out of business, it's those half dozen channels which prop up their entire business and all the other channels with it |
| [22:00:32] | justinh: | better now than they were but still... hardly perfect |
| [22:01:07] | justinh: | and the resolute idiocy that is 'standards' these days. Upnp is a brilliant example of how nobody can sing from the same hymnsheet |
| [22:02:05] | gbee: | it's like Sky boasting they offer 400+ channels, it's 1% decent, 99% utter crap |
| [22:02:27] | justinh: | and the 1% isn't on a channel they own most of the time :P |
| [22:03:07] | dragonbyte: | Comedy, History, Discovery, SciFi, Cartoon |
| [22:03:15] | dragonbyte: | pretty much covers most of the TV I give a rats ass about |
| [22:04:08] | justinh: | hmmm. reminds me. must remember to rescan on Tuesday |
| [22:05:06] | justinh: | was it tuesday.. mmm. Definitely a week day. Crazy day to launch a channel, I remember thinking |
| [22:05:38] | bagpuss_thecat: | does myth accept scheduled rescans based on info that is broadcast? |
| [22:05:41] | justinh: | ah no that's the 1st freeview channel shuffle of the year. first of hundreds no doubt |
| [22:05:52] | bagpuss_thecat: | justinh: only about 6, iirc |
| [22:05:52] | justinh: | info isn't broadcast about needing a rescan AFAIK |
| [22:05:58] | bagpuss_thecat: | justinh: it is |
| [22:06:16] | bagpuss_thecat: | the local amateur radio club that I'm in had a talk by one of the engineers doing the DVB-T shuffle in the UK |
| [22:06:28] | justinh: | some clever STBs must be looking at the NIT all the time then |
| [22:06:41] | bagpuss_thecat: | so I asked him, and apparently modern recievers can accept a rescan request |
| [22:06:58] | bagpuss_thecat: | he was also complaining about the odd day picked to do it |
| [22:07:53] | bagpuss_thecat: | it was a very good talk, and I've forgotten most of it :-( |
| [22:08:07] | justinh: | besides, even if it was possible in mythtv I doubt I'd want to leave it to chance |
| [22:08:08] | bagpuss_thecat: | no slides were published, sadly. I'll see if I can get hold of him again though |
| [22:09:08] | justinh: | I almost became a radio amateur once upon a time. then I met a few of the locals & decided against it |
| [22:09:27] | bagpuss_thecat: | :-) |
| [22:09:43] | bagpuss_thecat: | there's a variety of different... 'breeds' |
| [22:09:53] | justinh: | since then I've met a good few, worked with some even & they're all nice people.. as opposed to the kind I'd previously met |
| [22:10:17] | bagpuss_thecat: | some are just utter pricks, some are absolutely fantastic |
| [22:10:23] | bagpuss_thecat: | and others are downright weird |
| [22:10:32] | justinh: | I still find RF propagation fascinating though |
| [22:10:40] | bagpuss_thecat: | :-) |
| [22:10:40] | justinh: | shite. just admitted that in a logged channel |
| [22:11:50] | ** bagpuss_thecat blogs it ** | |
| [22:12:05] | ** laga posts it on mythbuntu.org ** | |
| [22:12:09] | gongoputch: | ALL channels are logged |
| [22:12:18] | laga: | gongoputch: by whom? |
| [22:12:20] | justinh: | yep. It's tuesday |
| [22:12:29] | gongoputch: | laga: Echelon |
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| [22:13:07] | justinh: | gongoputch: do you see black helicopters all the time? |
| [22:13:14] | gongoputch: | http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/02/20/internet.r . . . l/index.html |
| [22:13:15] | justinh: | THEY really are out to get you |
| [22:13:19] | gongoputch: | don't have to |
| [22:13:47] | justinh: | yuh, like there's enough server space to log absolutely everything on the whole internets from absolutely everybody |
| [22:15:02] | dragonbyte: | I am reasonably confident that I could fit all of the intelligent conversations that have happened on IRC on a thumbdrive :) |
| [22:15:03] | justinh: | doesn't mean THEY don't want to though. practicality is something else |
| [22:15:13] | gongoputch: | the possibility exists and you should always act as though your words are memorialiazed |
| [22:15:30] | justinh: | myers |
| [22:16:14] | justinh: | after glancing at the cnn article.. wonder what people are gonna do about people who spoof MAC IDs then |
| [22:16:18] | gongoputch: | warantless wiretaps, echelon, etc. |
| [22:16:27] | justinh: | gitmo? |
| [22:16:57] | gongoputch: | justinh: it is obviously the tech challenged trying to legislate this |
| [22:17:08] | justinh: | there's barely even enough bandwidth for all us of let alone storage |
| [22:17:15] | gongoputch: | I am not aginst the existance of gitmo |
| [22:17:37] | gongoputch: | I DO think the FISA courts need to e re-architected |
| [22:17:51] | justinh: | and on that note... I'm off to watch some telly before this descends into #politics |
| [22:17:58] | gongoputch: | lol |
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| [22:27:25] | iamlindoro: | It's pouring rain here and there are 10,000 frogs going nutso in the creek next to my house... OT, but kind of a neat noise to work to on a rainy day |
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| [22:27:39] | laga: | iamlindoro: i'm jealous |
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| [22:27:53] | dragonbyte: | ARG |
| [22:27:58] | dragonbyte: | to virtualize or not to virtualize... |
| [22:27:59] | iamlindoro: | laga, I could definitely think of many other noises that would be less pleasant :) |
| [22:27:59] | ** gbee narrowly avoids insulting an entire nation of mythtv users ** | |
| [22:28:16] | wagnerrp: | dragonbyte: what do you want to virtualize? |
| [22:28:52] | dragonbyte: | a myth backend |
| [22:29:10] | dragonbyte: | I doubt I will be using the TV piece...but...I might some day...which would pretty much murder the virtualization |
| [22:29:50] | dragonbyte: | just a wee bit wary of trying to stack too much more into a single server. Webserver/Email/SunRay/Mythbackend |
| [22:29:51] | wagnerrp: | well running scheduling, or a comm flag, or transcoding, or any number of things the backend does would murder the virtualization |
| [22:30:18] | wagnerrp: | unless your 'virtualization' software is more a partitioner than a virtualizer |
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| [22:30:31] | dragonbyte: | I would be using ESXi |
| [22:30:42] | wagnerrp: | seems a bit excessive |
| [22:30:47] | dragonbyte: | its free :) |
| [22:30:58] | wagnerrp: | since when? |
| [22:31:03] | dragonbyte: | few months back at least |
| [22:31:16] | dragonbyte: | free in standalone |
| [22:31:28] | wagnerrp: | i dont know how esx handles hardware |
| [22:31:39] | dragonbyte: | you don't get all the fancy high end features turned on, but half of that doesn't work without a SAN and multiple servers anyways |
| [22:32:02] | dragonbyte: | but without the TVtuner piece I don't really need the myth stuff to be its own thing |
| [22:32:21] | wagnerrp: | if you can run your tuner cards through esx, go for it |
| [22:32:30] | dragonbyte: | i seriously seriously doubt it |
| [22:32:32] | wagnerrp: | if you cant use your tuner cards, theres not much point to running a backend |
| [22:32:49] | dragonbyte: | isn't the back end what handles the video library n such? |
| [22:32:54] | dragonbyte: | for DVDs and the like |
| [22:33:03] | wagnerrp: | and... the tuners |
| [22:33:03] | dragonbyte: | ripped DVDs I should say |
| [22:33:09] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is nothing without its tuners |
| [22:34:06] | dragonbyte: | at the moment the only pieces I am interested in is the mythbrowser/mythvideo/mythaudio stuff |
| [22:34:29] | wagnerrp: | well then you may as well just stick with xbmc or boxee |
| [22:35:03] | gbee: | does XBMC have a browser component? |
| [22:35:13] | dragonbyte: | or a game component |
| [22:35:19] | wagnerrp: | dont actually know off hand |
| [22:35:22] | wagnerrp: | i assumed it did |
| [22:35:24] | dragonbyte: | the emulator piece of myth looked really neat |
| [22:35:41] | gbee: | wouldn't know, never used it |
| [22:35:43] | dragonbyte: | i heard about boxee only recently, looked and it wants logins and crap before it describes anything |
| [22:35:54] | wagnerrp: | the emulator piece is just a menu to load external programs |
| [22:36:32] | wagnerrp: | it works, but it doesnt look great, and it seems to be neglected as of late |
| [22:36:56] | gbee: | boxee is looking a little dead in the water, it's key selling point has disappeared (Hulu integration), without that it's basically just XBMC from what I understand |
| [22:37:10] | gbee: | wagnerrp: it's being re-written for 0.22 |
| [22:37:17] | wagnerrp: | gbee: kind of... |
| [22:37:21] | gbee: | with all new UI |
| [22:37:27] | dragonbyte: | that and with mythtv I have the option of adding TV later |
| [22:37:28] | wagnerrp: | boxee had made some agreement with hulu at the start |
| [22:37:31] | dragonbyte: | assuming I don't virtualize it |
| [22:37:46] | wagnerrp: | giving them alternate access to data, rather than having to go through the flash client |
| [22:38:15] | wagnerrp: | supposedly now theyre working on a way to embed the flash player directly into their interface |
| [22:38:25] | wagnerrp: | making it no different than any other browser |
| [22:38:42] | dragonbyte: | MythBrowser already does that doesn't it? |
| [22:38:50] | gbee: | yup |
| [22:38:54] | wagnerrp: | does mythbrowser support flash now? |
| [22:39:04] | wagnerrp: | i havent used it in a year or so |
| [22:39:32] | gbee: | uh yeah, always has? |
| [22:40:24] | wagnerrp: | huh... never got it to work personally |
| [22:40:27] | gbee: | since it just uses an external browser flash support hasn't been a problem, but in 0.22 it gets much better – webkit integration, you can embed webpages, html and flash directly into screens etc |
| [22:40:33] | wagnerrp: | but then i never tried more than about 30 seconds |
| [22:41:06] | wagnerrp: | i thought mythbrowser used its own custom browser, based off konqueror |
| [22:41:13] | gbee: | so any Hulu integration in mythtv could be on a par with Boxee |
| [22:41:15] | dragonbyte: | so it still sounds like mythtv has more features than xbmc even beyond its TV capabilities |
| [22:41:19] | wagnerrp: | or at least the QT web subsystem |
| [22:41:41] | gbee: | wagnerrp: no, it used konqueror (by default), nothing custom about it really |
| [22:41:56] | wagnerrp: | well then what was the executable 'mythbrowser'? |
| [22:42:17] | wagnerrp: | i thought it had its own browser customized for using a remote |
| [22:42:24] | gbee: | just a wrapper around konq which made it fullscreen etc |
| [22:42:43] | gbee: | translated remote presses into keypresses etc |
| [22:43:04] | dragonbyte: | so does the myth backend have anything to do with the video library? |
| [22:43:19] | gbee: | in 0.22 it will be a tightly integrated component, much better looking too |
| [22:43:30] | gbee: | dragonbyte: not in 0.21 |
| [22:43:51] | gbee: | in 0.22 the backend will serve video content to remote frontends |
| [22:44:11] | dragonbyte: | so right now it is just a front end that goes out and finds the video? |
| [22:45:29] | phunyguy: | yes and if there is info in the database it will display it |
| [22:45:52] | dragonbyte: | in what database? |
| [22:46:03] | phunyguy: | you just have to give the frontend the right directory |
| [22:46:08] | phunyguy: | the mythtv database? |
| [22:46:12] | phunyguy: | mythconverg? |
| [22:46:18] | dragonbyte: | that is part of the backend isnt it? |
| [22:46:25] | phunyguy: | :/ |
| [22:47:21] | dragonbyte: | I am apparently confused |
| [22:50:41] | dragonbyte: | the mysql piece isn't specifically piece of what is being called the "backend" is it? |
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| [22:57:09] | keith4_: | dragonbyte: it can be |
| [22:57:17] | keith4_: | the database can be anywhere, really |
| [22:57:30] | keith4_: | e.g., if you already have a mysql server... you can use that |
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| [22:59:38] | hachi: | okay... my slave backend is once again reporting that it's unable to log into the database |
| [22:59:50] | hachi: | even though it's completely configured to connect to a remote database |
| [22:59:55] | hachi: | it's still trying to connect to a local one |
| [23:00:03] | hachi: | anyone able to help? |
| [23:00:54] | keith4_: | how do you know it's configured to connect to a remote database? |
| [23:01:55] | hachi: | /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt? |
| [23:02:14] | hachi: | thing is |
| [23:02:20] | hachi: | it works fine for a month |
| [23:02:25] | hachi: | then it will just stop working again |
| [23:02:30] | hachi: | no files on disk have changed |
| [23:05:55] | hachi: | http://nopaste.snit.ch/15699 |
| [23:05:58] | hachi: | it just repeats that |
| [23:06:05] | hachi: | in my logfile |
| [23:06:19] | hachi: | of course, sometimes it will actually notice the config, and will just suddenly shut up |
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| [23:11:12] | dragonbyte: | keith4_: so basically i am just butchering terms here because the database can be shared and it has little to do with frontend/backend in terms of mythtv |
| [23:11:58] | keith4_: | well, i suspect that most peoples' myth database is on their backend |
| [23:12:10] | keith4_: | also, note that the backend could also be the frontend |
| [23:12:13] | keith4_: | it's flexible |
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| [23:15:39] | dragonbyte: | keith4_: well I am thinking of doing this using SunRay 2 DTUs |
| [23:15:59] | keith4_: | how's their video hardware? |
| [23:16:21] | dragonbyte: | keith4_: DVI output is all i really know about em |
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| [23:17:20] | keith4_: | you hoping to do HD? |
| [23:19:47] | dragonbyte: | not really |
| [23:22:43] | dragonbyte: | 2D accel 1600x1200@60 and 1680x1050@60hz wide is all it says |
| [23:22:53] | dragonbyte: | but the applications would be running on a server elsewhere |
| [23:24:22] | iamlindoro: | Not for myth they wouldn't |
| [23:24:39] | iamlindoro: | It needs to be able to netboot and have the power to run the OS/video decode locally |
| [23:24:55] | dragonbyte: | why? |
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| [23:25:03] | dragonbyte: | it would be running "locally" |
| [23:25:29] | dragonbyte: | the SunRay server just pushes the audio/video to the DTU |
| [23:25:31] | iamlindoro: | Because you won't have the bandwidth or the horsepower to send uncompressed/decoded video over ethernet. |
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| [23:26:34] | iamlindoro: | Netbooting myth involves booting the whole OS in memory locally, and all the real work is done on the frontend |
| [23:29:28] | clever: | the whole os isnt kept in ram with nfsroot, it just caches files normaly and fetches stuff from nfs alot |
| [23:29:52] | dragonbyte: | damn |
| [23:30:08] | iamlindoro: | clever, The core stuff is *still* in memory |
| [23:30:23] | dragonbyte: | iamlindoro: we use sunrays a lot, but I didn't really think about the bandwidth required to push a full screen signal where the whole screen is constantly changing |
| [23:30:34] | clever: | yeah the kernel itself and all loaded modules |
| [23:30:54] | keith4_: | dragonbyte: sounds like you're in for a giant headache |
| [23:31:05] | dragonbyte: | well it certainly isn't a requirement |
| [23:31:14] | dragonbyte: | just trying to compress a few projects into 1 :) |
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| [23:31:41] | dragonbyte: | I am going to get a few sunrays at home and have them sit and point at a linux box for the kids...tired of them fighting over gcompris on the desktop they share |
| [23:31:42] | clever: | i have played video over the network before with X11 forwarding |
| [23:32:07] | clever: | but it takes alot of bandwidth/cpu and cant handle anything even close to 1080 |
| [23:32:19] | dragonbyte: | I don't care about HD |
| [23:32:21] | iamlindoro: | clever, Not with any acceptable framerate and in sync audio you haven't |
| [23:32:44] | clever: | i can do it with SD quality files, but both ends can handle SD on there own, so im not realy gaining anything |
| [23:32:58] | dragonbyte: | I figure I wear glasses because my eyes are shitty, what is the point in spending wads of extra cash for better signal |
| [23:33:05] | clever: | iamlindoro: i would have to use ESD to get the audio pushed |
| [23:33:07] | wagnerrp: | completely off topic... anyone know of a little device that will record audio to wifi? |
| [23:33:09] | clever: | and the sync on that isnt perfect |
| [23:33:24] | clever: | and last time i tried, ESD was compiled out of mplayer |
| [23:33:45] | clever: | just put the box in the other room and run a video/aud cord thru the wall |
| [23:33:51] | iamlindoro: | and once again clever pipes up with BS information that does nothing but confuse someone |
| [23:34:23] | bagpuss_thecat: | wagnerrp: 'record audio to wifi'? |
| [23:34:50] | wagnerrp: | or i can run ethernet if needed |
| [23:35:07] | bagpuss_thecat: | still makes no sense |
| [23:35:07] | wagnerrp: | i just want to stick a microphone somewhere, and make it accessible |
| [23:35:21] | wagnerrp: | without having a whole computer |
| [23:35:37] | bagpuss_thecat: | wifi and ethernet are mediums for transferring information. Not a storage device for recording with |
| [23:35:45] | dragonbyte: | well crap |
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| [23:35:54] | dragonbyte: | bagpuss_thecat: it seems math is going to defeat the sun ray idea |
| [23:35:56] | wagnerrp: | the assumption is it will accept a standard 1/8" input |
| [23:37:17] | dragonbyte: | iamlindoro: any suggestions on cheap solutions for frontends? |
| [23:37:37] | iamlindoro: | dragonbyte, Lots and lots of inexpensive, quiet options if all you care about is SD |
| [23:37:51] | iamlindoro: | Apple TV, The Hauppauge MediaMVP, etc. |
| [23:38:14] | dragonbyte: | iamlindoro: apple TV with myth? |
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| [23:38:19] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [23:38:30] | dragonbyte: | really... |
| [23:38:36] | iamlindoro: | umm... still yes |
| [23:38:45] | dragonbyte: | hmmm |
| [23:39:34] | dragonbyte: | ok so...apple tv + myth frontend = apple tv/itunes features + mythgames/mythbrowser/mythvideo/mythtv? |
| [23:39:49] | iamlindoro: | Possible to do that, or to make it boot mythfrontend only |
| [23:40:05] | dragonbyte: | I figure if I am going to pay for it I would like to do both |
| [23:41:50] | dragonbyte: | ooh...it requires disecting the apple tv and a mac huh? |
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| [23:43:31] | iamlindoro: | or booting from a USB key for the mythfrontend only version AFAIK |
| [23:45:02] | dragonbyte: | iamlindoro: so boot from USB to run mythfrontend and then boot normal for apple tv? |
| [23:45:22] | iamlindoro: | dunno, don't do it myself, but I assume it's boot + install, then that's it |
| [23:45:27] | iamlindoro: | ie myth only from then on |
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| [23:47:32] | clever: | i had made my nfsroot booting systems go directly into the frontend after bootup |
| [23:47:43] | iamlindoro: | clever, god damn it |
| [23:47:49] | clever: | its fairly simple |
| [23:47:51] | iamlindoro: | clever, what does that have to do with the custom Apple TV install? |
| [23:47:59] | clever: | didnt see that part:P |
| [23:48:03] | clever: | i'll just shut up |
| [23:48:04] | iamlindoro: | so SHUT UP |
| [23:48:56] | dragonbyte: | iamlindoro: oh...yeah from the looks of it you don't get both |
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| [23:56:43] | dragonbyte: | hrm maybe you can get both |
| [23:57:03] | keith4_: | wagnerrp: you want... like, an AirTunes but in reverse? |
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