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Sunday, February 15th, 2009, 00:01 UTC

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mzb_d800:

RDV_Linux: http://openpaste.org/en/11261/

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RDV_Linux:

mzb_d800: I think you used the first submission the second attached file is a complete replacement. Please use http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/ . . . _v0.8.tar.gz just uncompress the files into any directory you choose. If the scripts are accepted/committed they will end up in "/usr/local/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts".

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mzb_d800:

ok, thanks

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RDV_Linux:

There is no harm in what you installed. You may find value in the tvnamer.py script, which is written by the author of tvdb_api.py

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mchou:

season*

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daveo78:

I keep getting a seg fault on my frontend(OSX, Macmini) if I open the guide select something and then exit live tv, anyone else see this?

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OnEdge:

hello everyone, will mythtv work with my "WinTV-HVR-1600" tuner card?

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_abbenormal:

you should do some googling then ask a ?

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OnEdge:

i did, so here it goes, the MythTV wikipedia page says this about my card:

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OnEdge:

Support Status Works with MythTV 0.21, but not explicitly supported

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OnEdge:

i guess i want to know if anyone else has used the card for mythbuntu and had any problems

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OnEdge:

this is my first go/try at using mythbuntu

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_abbenormal:

have you looked at the mythubuntu forums

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OnEdge:

would you recommend mythbuntu or another distro before i start the install on my pc?

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_abbenormal:

its as good as any mythtv runs on many different distros each has there own step or ways of doing things

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OnEdge:

k, thanks

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menopb:

hey guys I am having trouble getting lirc to work...just from the irw side. I have driver:uirt2 Modules: lirc_dev lirc_serial and Device:/dev/lirc0. I have the .lircrc setup as part of install, just cant get the darn thing to see input...any ideas...now if I run irw, it crashes itself and lircd

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menopb:

btw...I have a serial ir blaster and a logitech harmony that thinks it is a hauppauge 150 I think.

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menopb:

my guess is that I have the wrong driver or modules or combo of that sort. Thanks in advance...

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iamlindoro__:

I'm wondering how long it will be before someone puts this "refresh line being seen" thread out of its misery and explains that with composite enabled VDPAU doesn't have vsync

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iamlindoro__:

Sigh, think I just volunteered myself

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daveo__78:

anyone get ac3 passthrough working under osx?

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menopb:

what does the dmesg lirc_serial: auto-detected active low receiver mean...the docs I am finding have high receiver, is mine normal or does that tell me its not working?....

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clever:

menopb: depends on what your receive is made to do

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menopb:

irw....still nothing

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clever:

you could force it to the other mode using module parameters

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menopb:

if i run lircd from term, I get config file contains no valid remote control definition

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bytechanger:

Hi folks.

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coolego1:

Hi, I was wondering if anyone has gotten the old ATI HDTV Wonder to work as an analog card. I have one working for Clear-QAM, but I can't get it to do analog

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EnderTheThird:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/ATI_HDTV_Wonder#Analog_Setup Might help?

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coolego1:

thanks – I looked at that and it seems fairly straightforward – I have the card set up to be an input source on /dev/video0 but when I try to scan for channels it comes up with no signal

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EnderTheThird:

can it operate as ATSC and NTSC at the same time?

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coolego1:

I'm not sure – it sounded like it from the wiki but I don't know

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EnderTheThird:

I'm trying to find out too.

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coolego1:

do you have that card?

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EnderTheThird:

Nope

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phunyguy_:

quick question folks... my PC seems to think it is on a 4x3 display... but it is 16x10

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phunyguy_:

in XFCE – how to i tell it that it is on a 16x10?

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phunyguy_:

1680x1050 resolution

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phunyguy_:

which is correct

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phunyguy_:

but all TV in mythtv is letterboxed for widescreen and stretched for SD

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phunyguy_:

letterboxed meaning it is widescreen thinking it is 4x3 then stretching THAT to widescreen

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phunyguy_:

horrid.

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phunyguy_:

unnacceptable.

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EnderTheThird:

Check Appearance settings from the frontend? Make sure you have a widescreen theme

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phunyguy_:

hmm

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phunyguy_:

i will try, thank you

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coolego1:

EnderTheThird – The HDTV Wonder has 2 coax inputs, one labled CATV and the other labled ANT. I have cable running to both in fact but the only one that seems to matter is the CATV one which allows me to tune the Clear-QAM

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clever:

[1]+ Aborted (core dumped) tail -F dadxp.be.log

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EnderTheThird:

Might be a setting in there somewhere. Mine's been set on WS for years I forget if it came that way or not, heh. What distro and MythTV version are you using?

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clever:

something is realy wrong here:S

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clever:

tail and top are core dumping and mythbackend is screwing up

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phunyguy_:

i figured I would ask first seeing as all videos – even when loaded from the file browser think they are 4x3

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phunyguy_:

so they come out stretched

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EnderTheThird:

Oh, so it's system wide, not just Myth?

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phunyguy_:

yeah

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phunyguy_:

just started

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phunyguy_:

:(

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EnderTheThird:

Strange, but it's at the correct resolution?

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phunyguy_:

thinkin the wife touched something

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phunyguy_:

yeah

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phunyguy_:

i remember a while back

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phunyguy_:

there was a setting

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phunyguy_:

"Widescreen" in the display settings

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phunyguy_:

but i don't remember where i saw that

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phunyguy_:

it let X know that the resolution was widescreen

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clever:

now EVERYTHIN in top is showing 99.9% cpu usage

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clever:

'top' itself is 'nan' cpu usage:O

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EnderTheThird:

I have ~0 experience with XFCE. I've been running Mythbuntu from an Ubuntu start. Working on installing SVN trunk now though.

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phunyguy_:

its Gnome

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phunyguy_:

for all intents and purposes

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phunyguy_:

yeah no-go on the widescreen theme

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phunyguy_:

still stretched

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phunyguy_:

:(

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EnderTheThird:

Hmmm

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EnderTheThird:

That is freaky

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phunyguy_:

isn't it?

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clever:

now my 'top' is updating as fast as posible

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phunyguy_:

and why do I have a "_ at the end of my name :-/

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clever:

the system is horidly screwing up at everything

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phunyguy:

i wonder if it is my dual monitor display confusing it

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phunyguy:

twinview

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EnderTheThird:

You could disconnect it and find out.

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phunyguy:

well i could do that

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phunyguy:

but

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phunyguy:

its all set manually in xorg.conf

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phunyguy:

may not make a diff

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phunyguy:

:P

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coolego1:

just backup xorg.conf

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phunyguy:

argh

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phunyguy:

i know it is just a "checkbox"

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phunyguy:

just dont know where to find it in xfce

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EnderTheThird:

I am getting errors galore when compiling mythplugins r19997. Eek.

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coolego1:

Is there perhaps a way that you are suppsed to change the mode of the HDTV Wonder to switch it from ATSC to NTSC

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EnderTheThird:

Anyone know which qt packages i need in order to compile mythplugins? i'm getting a bunch of qtext errors, which I think is related to qt

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phunyguy:

anyone know how I can force the PC into knowing it is widescreen? so it stops stretching everything?

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phunyguy:

it letterboxes widescreen video and then stretches that

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EnderTheThird:

Nevermind about QT stuff for plugins. Found the problem.

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phunyguy:

this is troubling

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EnderTheThird:

phunyguy, i'm looking around for you while compiling. no luck yet though

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phunyguy:

thank you

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EnderTheThird:

I don't have xfce installed, but when it did it autodetected so i'm not sure what's going on with yours

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phunyguy:

I have seen this before

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phunyguy:

I just dont remember where

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phunyguy:

it was in KDE though

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phunyguy:

but i remember it being a X setting

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phunyguy:

not KDE

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EnderTheThird:

not a clue here. :-/

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EnderTheThird:

Wonder what the chances are of me finishing this thing and having it all up and running by 1AM, when Nova is supposed to record. Heh.

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wagnerrp:

you only need the backend online for that

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wagnerrp:

besides, Nova is a rerun

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EnderTheThird:

True enough, but I don't think I've seen this one. I've only been recording regular Nova doc's, not the NOVAscienceNOW or whatever.

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wagnerrp:

its something about unintelligent design

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EnderTheThird:

Thrilling, heh

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EnderTheThird:

I'd read more about the episode, but I always do that from mythweb, which isn't up yet, haha

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coolego1:

hmmm that was really weird – I restarted, then scanned for analog channels again, it found the channels, then I tried to tune to a cable channel and all I got was black video

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EnderTheThird:

Wow, VDPAU seems to be working like a charm. Pimpin.

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EnderTheThird:

Anyone here able to help me with some permissions and setting up mythweb?

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EnderTheThird:

Nevermind. README's do such wonders when you finally find what you're looking for.

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EnderTheThird:

Hmmm, getting an error on installing my 0.22 deb on my other FE

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mattwj2002:

hi guys

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mattwj2002:

is there a good channel on freenode IRC to talk about free to air satellite?

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justinh:

if by 'free to air' you mean what people euphemistically call hacking Dish, using card sharing/software decryption... nope

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mattwj2002:

no sir

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mattwj2002:

I mean free to air which is watching channels like local networks on Galaxy 18 and religious channels and radio channels with no subscription.....

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mattwj2002:

I am not talking about piracy

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mattwj2002:

wild feeds etc

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mattwj2002:

I found this article on the wiki too

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mattwj2002:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DVB-S

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mattwj2002:

justinh you have an FTA system?

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justinh:

nope. I'm not in the US either

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mattwj2002:

oh okay

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justinh:

heh http://www.register-herald.com/homepage/image . . . es_photoview

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thefRont:

sorry

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thefRont:

but for all ubuntu users out there...it might be a bad idea to update gvfs to 1.0.2-ubuntu2

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justinh:

why? does it make the 5th character of your IRC nick change case annoyingly every few minutes?

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thefRont:

no...that was why I changed it so quickly because of massive reboots I had to do

[13:03:17]

thefRont:

the gvfs update does a heavy load on your cpu and makes the system almost unusable because it gets extremly slow

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laga:

thefRont: submit a bug report then

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thefRont:

and annoy you with another nickchange? ;)

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laga:

maybe you need to configure your bouncer correctly.

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thefRont:

it is

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thefRont:

it's my way of showing my online status

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justinh:

surely you know if you're online or not :P

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laga:

thefRont: use /away

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laga:

there is no need to change your nick. it's just fucking annoying

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justinh:

"$nick is away" is also annoying

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justinh:

have it update your Bebo page instead

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thefRont:

i think he means setting away for getting an away message if you query my

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thefRont:

me

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thefRont:

how about /ame? *duck&cover*

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justinh:

not in a very good mood now. had to go to a christening this morning. 8 hours of my time taken up by preachy BS

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justinh:

ok, so it wasn't 8 hours but it felt like 8

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joe2371:

Gah! One of my blackbirds (the one that wasn't working) has a couple of caps shorn off on the bottom. Suppose that might be the trouble? ;-)

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justinh:

time to do another backup of the cd rips. almost all the albums are ripped & re-tagged :)

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dustybin:

justinh: FLAC?

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justinh:

yup

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dustybin:

nice

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justinh:

some albums I couldn't find have been re-purchased

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dustybin:

i bought kate nash, and lily allen albums the other day

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dustybin:

couldnt find them either :P

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justinh:

kate nash? god I'd rather hammer nails into my own head

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dustybin:

no way!! i quite like her voice

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justinh:

she gets on my pecs with her mockney crap

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dustybin:

lol

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justinh:

aye FINK dat U suck, la la la la la la

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dustybin:

d*** head is a great track :D

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justinh:

bet you like The Streets too

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dustybin:

no way

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justinh:

lol

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dustybin:

def not

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justinh:

comin in your area. with some er... wysteria. like malaria

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justinh:

dizeeee raskol ? :P

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dustybin:

when will this book be released?

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dustybin:

http://worldbeyond.net/MythTV_for_Dummies.jpg

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laga:

rotfl

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justinh:

dustybin: you should catch Jono Bacon's (cough) music sometime

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justinh:

dustybin: very funny :)

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dustybin:

ill look out

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justinh:

www.jonobacon.org

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justinh:

it's not for everybody/ hurts my ears rather

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justinh:

creative commons thrash metal :)

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dustybin:

jeeeze lol

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justinh:

speed thrash actually IIRC

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jduggan:

speed /trash/

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** dustybin carries on trying to find a simple sounding .com name **

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justinh:

simplesounding.com ?

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justinh:

riptedrogers.com?

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dustybin:

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dustybin:

SIMPLESOUNDING.COM is available!

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dustybin:

bloody heck

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justinh:

I like RIP-Ted-Rogers.com

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dustybin:

lol

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justinh:

though he might not even be dead

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dustybin:

DustyBin.com is available as a Premium Domain Name!

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dustybin:

This Premium Domain Name can be purchased for $2,888.00*

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dustybin:

:O

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jduggan:

bargain

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justinh:

flippin domain hobbits

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justinh:

any 'available' domain should only ever cost the registration fee

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laga:

yes

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justinh:

I mean the fee the registrar charges normally, not some overinflated made up sum

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justinh:

aww fsck off. disc 1 found in database. disc2 not found.

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jduggan:

i let a .com domain slip about 3 years ago

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jduggan:

waited to re-register

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jduggan:

but enom kept hold of it for three years

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jduggan:

eventually they auctioned it

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jduggan:

f**kers..

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jduggan:

i bid on it, but it went way higher than i was willing to pay

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dustybin:

my lord debian lenny has been released

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dustybin:

:D

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dustybin:

time for a dist upgrade :D

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justinh:

lemmings

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wayneandleanne1:

hi all, anybody in the uk got a dvd-s card working with freesat?

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joe2371:

If I have two cards that have the same video source, how can I switch between the cards?

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joe2371:

Ah, I was looking for a single keypress, but I was able to accomplish what I needed through the menu.

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gbee:

there is, or used to be a binding for that, can't remember what it was though

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justinh:

wayneandleanne1: yes, people in the UK have indeed got dvb-s working & use Freesat

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gbee:

like me

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wayneandleanne1:

justinh: how easy was it (are you speaking from experiance?)

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justinh:

no, I'm not speaking from experience

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wayneandleanne1:

simple setup?

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jduggan:

wow, the website finally got updated

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jduggan:

:D

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justinh:

wow, it's only taken about a month for some regulars to notice

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wayneandleanne1:

is there anybody in this room that uses freesat?

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wayneandleanne1:

gbee: was 'like me' aimed at me re: freesat?

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gbee:

wayneandleanne1: yes, I use freesat via Myth – whether it's easy or not depends on a few things – are you a current MythTV user? Do you already have a dish?

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justinh:

the hardest part is likely making sure your dish is aimed right & that your card works :)

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wayneandleanne1:

gbee: yes i use mythtv (freeview), nope no dish yet (just about to move house)

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justinh:

if you're going to install it yourself, best borrow/buy/steal a satellite meter & compass

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joe2371:

To unmute my blackbird, I need v4lctl? And to get v4lctl, I need to install xawtv?

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gbee:

wayneandleanne1: well it's not really any harder than setting up freeview

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justinh:

or pay a nice man to set the dish up properly

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justinh:

once that's done, you just need enter an initial transponder to tune to, then scan. tada

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justinh:

you have to set a transponder to tune to AFAIK blind scans for satellite stuff would take ages, even if they worked

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gbee:

aside from getting the dish pointed correctly (2 degrees out is enough to seriously degrade the signal), but a Sat finder costing ~£10 and a lot of patience is normally enough

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justinh:

gbee: assuming you put the dish facing the right way :P

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wayneandleanne1:

any bad cards to avoid like the plague?

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gbee:

the dish/cables/mounting bracket, basically everything you need except the sat finder, can be had from Ebay for £20

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justinh:

£20 for a 60cm dish?

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gbee:

wayneandleanne1: Satelco – first DVB-S card I bought wouldn't tune BBC HD, everything on that mux had a terrible signal quality

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wayneandleanne1:

gbee: any amazing ones?

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wayneandleanne1:

that "just" work?

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gbee:

my second hand Hauppauge Nova-S just worked

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gbee:

and didn't have the same signal problems with BBC HD – fantastic signal quality in fact (hence why I blamed the Satelco and not the dish alignment)

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wayneandleanne1:

gbee: this is proberbly a daft question, but does interactive work?

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justinh:

wouldn't bank on it

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gbee:

justinh: forgot postage, but yeah – http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/60cm-Zone-2-Satellite-D . . . eFreeview_RL

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justinh:

it's not an open standard like mheg is AFAIK

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justinh:

gbee: cheers :)

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gbee:

wayneandleanne1: haven't tried it

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wayneandleanne1:

ty all

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justinh:

what's with the eliptical dishes?

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gbee:

justinh: it's a decent price, dish, cable, lnb, even cable ties+clips

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justinh:

I dunno how they're different from the other sort

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justinh:

gbee: no sh1t :)

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wayneandleanne1:

would a sky digi dish work, in the short term?

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justinh:

aldi sometimes sell cheap dish packages but that's a bargain

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justinh:

wayneandleanne1: yup

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gbee:

justinh: well you don't need a circular dish for digital, the shape of the eliptical is such that it does just a good a job for digital

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justinh:

crappy little dishes though

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justinh:

wayneandleanne1: weather fading.. aiming much more important.. yada yada

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gbee:

wayneandleanne1: same dish, a satellite dish and LNB and generic, so a Sky dish is no different from a Freesat dish

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justinh:

my mate in london gets cracking Sky reception except when there's weather

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gbee:

justinh: it's not _that_ small, the 45cm elipticals are small

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justinh:

and that buggers up his Sky+

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justinh:

gbee: I know I was talking about the Sky mini dishes. they are the suck

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gbee:

justinh: he'll have a 45cm, 60cm are supposed to be immune to that

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wayneandleanne1:

i was just wondering, as new house has sky+ dish up, and lets be honest moving house aint cheap

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** justinh looks out of the window, giving the trees the evil eye **

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justinh:

ying ding ding ding ding... yiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing! Timber!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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gbee:

I had a 45cm which worked just fine, but after the BBC HD issues I bought the 60cm from that ebay seller, didn't fix my BBC HD problems since those turned out to be related to the DVB-S card, but I was happy with the purchase

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justinh:

wayneandleanne1: it'll likely do well if you're not too far south

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gbee:

never had weather issues with the 60cm and I'm even pointing it through a large tree

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justinh:

wayneandleanne1: assuming there's nothing in the way & the coax cable & all the seals are in good nick

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justinh:

I've seen people up here have issues with their 45cm dishes too, but that's likely more to do with shabby installers

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justinh:

rubber boot for the lnb connection? sod that. self amalgamating tape all the way!

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gbee:

wayneandleanne1: should be fine, assuming as justing said the cables are reasonable quality, alignment is good and that there isn't any damaged to cables/lnb

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gbee:

if water gets into the cable, or the sheath gets damaged, bad things will happen

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justinh:

bzzzt! poof. blewed up card ahoy!

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wayneandleanne1:

am in manchester

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gbee:

heh, not sure I'd go that far, I really don't know if the current to the LNB is great enough, assuming the card guards against shorts anyway

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justinh:

another manc. don't get many of them in here, but loads on the wiki

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gbee:

but it will result in loss of signal quality

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justinh:

wayneandleanne1: know any cheap tree surgeons?

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wayneandleanne1:

justinh: & gbee: thanks

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wayneandleanne1:

errr tree surgeon, yes two secs

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gbee:

further north you go, the more likely it is that you'll want a 60cm dish, but I've seen people happily using 45cm dishes as far North as Newcastle

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justinh:

rang loads of the buggers last year, all said they'd come & give quotes. one turned up when we were out, but not only quoted for the wrong tree, but mis-identified the type of tree

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justinh:

gbee: I just read the footprint is better oop North than down South. heh

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wayneandleanne1:

justinh: mad about trees 0161630 9957 or ring your local council

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justinh:

just use a 1.5M dish to be on the safe side

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justinh:

wayneandleanne1: cheers :)

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justinh:

the council do tree felling for the public? :-O

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gbee:

nah, satellites are equatorial, further North you go the bigger the footprint but worse the signal (bigger footprint means same signal spread over larger area)

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justinh:

ah

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justinh:

heh. tree is on my land so the council will have nowt to do with it

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justinh:

but if that firm is mad about trees maybe they won't wanna take 2 down :P

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gbee:

and lower the angle too, meaning greater chance your dish will be pointing through trees and atmospheric distortions/interference

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justinh:

dunno wth it is about the trades folk in this area. can't get them to come out to quote

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wayneandleanne1:

lol

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wayneandleanne1:

:-D

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justinh:

had some Irish folks around asking the other week. Don't care how cheap they are I don't do cold callers

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wayneandleanne1:

where are you

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justinh:

kinda halfway between oldham & manchester

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wayneandleanne1:

hollinwood

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wayneandleanne1:

?

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justinh:

aye

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justinh:

nigh as damnit

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justinh:

not far from The Bower Hotel

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wayneandleanne1:

so ring ombc 01617703000 ask for forestry @ waterhead, and ask nicely saying you think it's dangerous,

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justinh:

it's on my own land though.. thought it'd be my responsibility

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wayneandleanne1:

cant hurt to ask

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justinh:

aye true

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justinh:

I already did the research & there's nothing protected here

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justinh:

oops. I runned out of HDD space

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wayneandleanne1:

how big is it

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justinh:

not much good at judging heights

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wayneandleanne1:

house hight, house and a half?

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justinh:

bit more than house height

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justinh:

prolly about a house & a half

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justinh:

I'd have lopped it down myself if I knew what I was doing :)

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wayneandleanne1:

it's easy big ladders + hand saw dont use chainsaw @ heights unless your confident and work in small sections

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wayneandleanne1:

nice weekend project

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justinh:

need a f'ing big ladder & I don't do ladders

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wayneandleanne1:

ah, me either, got any mates that can climb and fancy a few pints

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justinh:

heh nah

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iamlindoro__:

just make sure the pints don't precede the climb

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justinh:

though a guy at work wants firewood, and has a chainsaw

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iamlindoro__:

as that's how we lose so many of our backwoods scholars here

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wayneandleanne1:

there you go

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justinh:

lol

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iamlindoro__:

"Hey y'all! Look whut I kin do!"

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wayneandleanne1:

whats freesat like on disc space

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wayneandleanne1:

1gb per hour?

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wayneandleanne1:

and whats the best way to work out how much (cost) your setup is costing you?

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justinh:

buy a £10 power meter

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justinh:

and budget for a better (More efficient) PSU

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jduggan:

80+!

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justinh:

I'm saving about 25W 24/7 since upgrading PSU & HDDs

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thefRont:

just for the record...did any nickchange happen a few seconds/minutes ago?

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justinh:

nope

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thefRont:

perfectr

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thefRont:

-r

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wayneandleanne1:

ok so how do i convert kwh to £

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justinh:

wayneandleanne1: depends on your supplier. rule of thumb is £0.10 per kW/h

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wayneandleanne1:

ty

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jduggan:

10??

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justinh:

before the uprgades myth was costing me about £8 a month 24/7

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jduggan:

im sure i pay more

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jduggan:

like, double

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wayneandleanne1:

thanks for all the help

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jduggan:

ive been in a billing dispute with EON

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jduggan:

buggers

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jduggan:

after abuot 3months of them telling me i just use alot of power, they finally spotted an anomaly, while i was sorting out how i was going to pay back 800quid they reckon i owed... the woman said 'oh, what this'.... turned out my night rate was being charged day rate

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coolego1:

is it bad to get a message in dmesg like "irq mpeg [0x80000] pci_abort*" ?

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jduggan:

and it took 3months for them to find it

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justinh:

oof

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jduggan:

i got lucky, i conceeded it was my own power consumption

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jduggan:

and was on the phone to arrange how i was to pay it!

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jduggan:

they knocked about 300quid off the bill, which was nice :D

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justinh:

whee about 5 albums left to do, then promos, then singles :D

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Claus_:

Is there anyway to tweak how many cols that are displayed in gallery mode in the plugin mythtv gallery?

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wayneandleanne1:

gbee: is this your card ? http://www.hauppauge.co.uk/site/products/data_novahds2.html

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gbee:

no, that's the DVB-S2 version, which you probably want to get anyway because it will support future channels launched on Freesat which used the S2 standard

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wayneandleanne1:

thanks again

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Claus_:

My issue is that when i'm viewing pictures in image gallery two objects are off screen, (either two folders or two images) how can I tweak the gallery to show all items? My install is on a ubuntu 8.10 with the ubuntu packages

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bytechanger:

Can someone tell me what this means? Warning: Your frequency setting (8594000) is out of range. (min/max:950000/2150000

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bytechanger:

I'm not sure how to fix it.

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gbee:

ignore it

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bytechanger:

I checked my lnb settings

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bytechanger:

oh

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bytechanger:

ok, thanks gbee

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bytechanger:

i'm having a hell of a time trying to scan my sat's...

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gbee:

if necessary pick a higher starting frequency

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bytechanger:

i was hoping that might be part of it.

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gbee:

bytechanger: it could be related, but assuming DVB-S, then it doesn't matter which transport frequency you start with, the rest will be found through the NIT

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bytechanger:

ah ok. thanks gbee. yes it is a DBS-S setup.

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joe2371:

Anyone have any idea why I have no audio from my cx88-blackbird card's MPEG cx8802 encoder output (/dev/v4l/video2), but the audio is available from /dev/audio1 (cx8801)?

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wagnerrp:

video2 should be a completely different card

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joe2371:

Uh, video1 and video2 are on the same card. video1 is the framebuffer output, and video2 is the MPEG output.

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justinh:

I remember when I tested my cx88 mpeg tuner – couldn't get any audio at all through the mpeg encoder

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joe2371:

Ah, so it is a known issue, perhaps.

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joe2371:

Is there a workaround possible involving muxing /dev/audio1 with the MPEG stream? Either in realtime or otherwise?

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justinh:

there's no workaround. the card should include the audio in the stream

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justinh:

I managed to confirm the captured mpeg had audio but it was just stereo silence :)

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joe2371:

ugh

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phunyguy:

anyone know why all of my video played on this PC is letterboxed to 4x3 and then stretched back out to widescreen?

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phunyguy:

no matter what I play

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phunyguy:

4x3 is stretched

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phunyguy:

and 16x9 is letterboxed to 4x3 and then stretched to 16x9

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phunyguy:

it is horrid.

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phunyguy:

it just started doing this a few days ago

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justinh:

so mythtv doesn't know your display is 16:9, either cos you're using a 4:3 resolution or because you've misconfigured something

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phunyguy:

not using a 4x3 res

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phunyguy:

1680x1050

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phunyguy:

and i havent configured anything in the last 2 months on here

[17:13:58]

phunyguy:

so its strange

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phunyguy:

i do remember seeing a setting in an X config

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phunyguy:

"Widescreen"

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phunyguy:

but i can't find it again

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phunyguy:

it was a GUI

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phunyguy:

its not specific to mythtv, so..

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phunyguy:

any player i use is confused

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joe2371:

I find that signal quality drops can cause ATSC tuners to (apparently) get confused about the source aspect ratio. This is true of both my cableco's STBs and my hvr-1600.

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phunyguy:

dragon / kaffiene / mplayer / totem – etc

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phunyguy:

it is all video

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phunyguy:

not just TV

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joe2371:

oic, jeez

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phunyguy:

yeah :/

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joe2371:

true on all FEs?

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phunyguy:

got me scratching my ehad

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phunyguy:

no

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phunyguy:

just this one

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phunyguy:

head*

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phunyguy:

its an X thing

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phunyguy:

can almost guarantee that

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joe2371:

What sort of display device? Is it true also if you use a different display device on that box?

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phunyguy:

hmmm

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phunyguy:

don't have another one to use

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phunyguy:

i should note that I am using twinview

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phunyguy:

so the res is actually 2704x1050

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phunyguy:

that may be confusing it

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phunyguy:

it doesnt stretch across all screens – just one

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phunyguy:

but i dunno..

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phunyguy:

brb

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keith4_:

is there documentation anywhere on setting up an automatic transcode-to-h264 job?

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justinh:

any of the wiki articles about user jobs, tied in with some reading between the lines & ffmpeg messing about .... result :)

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justinh:

also look at myth2ipod .. shouldn't be too hard to adapt that

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justinh:

or nuvexport

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Exposure:

hi

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justinh:

then batch rename to x264, create a torrent... oops wrong channel

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Exposure:

i'm a bit disappointed at zapping speeds, compared to vdr + sc, mythtv + sasc-ng is much slower

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justinh:

awww

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Exposure:

is this because of mythtv timeshifting or because of sascng?

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justinh:

saying that last bit won you no sympathy here

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justinh:

mythtv isn't about zapping anyway. record what you want to watch, then watch it. don't waste your life zapping

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wagnerrp:

are you claiming *those* people actually give back to the community?

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wagnerrp:

zapping speeds?

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justinh:

don't steal cable/satellite either

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Exposure:

i'm not stealing anything

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justinh:

yeah whatever

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justinh:

go moan somewhere else mister thief

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Exposure:

jesus

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Exposure:

wanna come over to check?

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justinh:

software decryption is off topic in this channel

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justinh:

whether you claim it's legal or not. _end_ _of_ _story_

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Exposure:

ok its also slow on fta channels, are you satisfied now?

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Exposure:

i'm just asking if there's a setting somewhere in mythtv that could help with zapping speed

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justinh:

sure zapping is slow. livetv sucks, so I don't use it

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justinh:

I have better things to do with my life than wait for something worth watching to come on.

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Exposure:

yeah you already said that

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justinh:

you probably have too many channels to be able to catch something starting in time when you're zapping anyway :P

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Exposure:

no I have about 20, nothing interesing is on any of them most of the time

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justinh:

so, if other apps are that much better at just idly grazing hundreds of channels, you go get em

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Exposure:

so when I want to watch tv I like to zap around and watch rubbish, that's my way of relaxing

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Exposure:

I can't believe mythtv is so popular if it isn't up to this task

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justinh:

mythtv records everything. that adds latency

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justinh:

you can't turn it off either

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justinh:

if anybody managed to do that somehow, then mythtv would stop being a PVR

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Exposure:

yeah I know about that but opening and writing to a file on a fast system shouldn't take >1 s

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GreyFoxx:

The biggest problem with LiveTV changes is that the people who find it very slow never dig into the code to figure out why. And the devs usually can reproduce it

[17:33:41]

justinh:

or, you'd turn it off then suddenly one day think "ooo, missed a bit, let me just rewind.. OOPS"

[17:33:55]

GreyFoxx:

My channel changes are all 1 second or less

[17:33:58]

wagnerrp:

when you record a digital stream, first you have to tune, then you have to wait for an I-frame, then you have to open to a file, start up a bit of a buffer, then start streaming it over the network

[17:34:13]

GreyFoxx:

using pvr cards, firewire , iptv and previously dvb

[17:34:14]

Exposure:

imho there should be an option to start timeshift after 1 mins or something

[17:34:15]

wagnerrp:

ALL communication with mythtv occurs over the network, and is buffered as such

[17:34:20]

justinh:

GreyFoxx: I really want to dig into why starting to play a recording takes so fscking long

[17:34:26]

justinh:

it's not just the font stuff

[17:34:35]

Exposure:

i'm using a local backend/frontend setup btw

[17:34:39]

Exposure:

so no network involved

[17:34:42]

GreyFoxx:

the font stuff makes a big diff for some, but it's certainy not all

[17:34:44]

justinh:

I might, if I ever get time :)

[17:34:48]

wagnerrp:

Exposure: yes, network involved

[17:34:50]

GreyFoxx:

Exposure: It still "network" traffic

[17:34:58]

wagnerrp:

it may just run over loopback, but its still run over the network

[17:35:05]

justinh:

seems to affect mythvideo too, so it's not just mythprotocol streaming

[17:35:12]

Exposure:

ok, still, no reason for >1 s delays

[17:35:14]

GreyFoxx:

mythfrontend talks to mythbackend via ip. mythbackend talks to the card/storage

[17:35:34]

Exposure:

it's raw mpeg streaming right?

[17:35:42]

GreyFoxx:

if it's a dvb source then yes

[17:35:43]

wagnerrp:

Exposure: its a digital stream, it will take more than 1s just to tune and wait for a start frame

[17:35:51]

justinh:

it's not _annoying_ but it could do with being more speedy

[17:35:56]

wagnerrp:

thats without anything mythtv does

[17:36:18]

justinh:

that'd probably speed up channel change times too, but since I don't use livetv....

[17:36:22]

Exposure:

yes that why i'd be happy with 1–2s delay, as is normal with dvb stb's

[17:36:34]

wagnerrp:

dvb stbs dont record

[17:36:44]

wagnerrp:

look at a dvb dvr, and youll find similar times to mythtv

[17:36:49]

justinh:

VDR almost doesn't record

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justinh:

freevo almost doesn't record either

[17:37:01]

wagnerrp:

a real dvr, one that is always recording

[17:37:06]

wagnerrp:

not just one that *can* record

[17:37:17]

keith4_:

justinh: looks like a pain. maybe i can live with mpeg4

[17:37:20]

GreyFoxx:

exposure, profile the system, or start digging into the logs and code is the main thing you can do to find the specific delays

[17:37:20]

AndyCap:

The kaon from the local company is fairly snappy, but not sure if it's any better than myth

[17:37:23]

Exposure:

the only difference between most dvb stb's is they don't start recording immediately after zap

[17:37:36]

justinh:

keith4_: bah. anything worth doing usually takes some learnin' ;)

[17:37:55]

wagnerrp:

Exposure: since myth is designed to be used over the network, it MUST RECORD

[17:38:26]

Exposure:

yeah we've established that

[17:38:44]

Exposure:

but why does opening a file to record the raw dvb stream to take so much time?

[17:38:59]

keith4_:

justinh: i'll spend the time learnin' once my disk isn't full ;-)

[17:39:06]

justinh:

heh

[17:39:21]

AndyCap:

keith4_: oh, you mean after you uninstall myth? :P

[17:39:25]

GreyFoxx:

openning a file takes no time

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justinh:

GreyFoxx: would it be enough just to slop some VERBOSE into the code to help with timing? verbose outputs come with timestamps anyway right?

[17:39:37]

GreyFoxx:

tuning, filtering and writting take time

[17:39:37]

keith4_:

AndyCap: nah, just as soon as I transcode some of this mpeg2 mess

[17:39:46]

GreyFoxx:

reading, streaming, decoding take time

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GreyFoxx:

justinh: yup

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GreyFoxx:

do a -v most or -vall

[17:40:21]

justinh:

wonder how much myth is buffering before playback starts. I've looked into that code a few times & never came out with a conclusion

[17:40:24]

wagnerrp:

you have to tune the channel, you have to wait for an I frame, you have to start recording to file, you have to wait for a bit of buffer to fill up, you then have to stream that file to the frontend, then possibly you have to fill the decode buffers on your video card

[17:40:28]

GreyFoxx:

check the logs and look for messages with the biggest delay between

[17:40:40]

justinh:

I log with -v playback anyway... hmmm

[17:40:40]

GreyFoxx:

and then sprinkle VERBOSE() in those secontions

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keith4_:

... I have to change Transcoding settings in the frontend, but futz with auto-transcoding in mythtv-setup?

[17:41:23]

clever:

GreyFoxx: i find VERBOSE is a bit too long to type out and give arguments too when sprinkling them everywhere

[17:41:36]

GreyFoxx:

clever: Cut n paste :)

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clever:

so i made a DBG macro that will print the file&line number

[17:41:43]

GreyFoxx:

just add a unique id to each

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Exposure:

GreyFoxx: so you're saying the best increase can be found in dvb tuning in mythtv and not the pvr features?

[17:41:54]

clever:

mine gives itself a uniq id without any work

[17:41:56]

clever:

just DBG;

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GreyFoxx:

Expose: I'm not saying anything of the source

[17:42:26]

GreyFoxx:

But merely openning the file for writing takes nothing

[17:42:42]

GreyFoxx:

every other step afterward is where time is spent

[17:42:51]

Exposure:

writing to the file from one end and reading from the other shouldn't take time either

[17:42:53]

GreyFoxx:

so you would need to do basically what I just described

[17:43:11]

Exposure:

as it's raw dvb stream, decoding, filtering etc shouldn't take a lot of time, right?

[17:43:39]

gbee:

GreyFoxx: what became of the font loading fixes?

[17:43:42]

clever:

#define DBG VERBOSE(VB_TRACE,QString("%1:%2 %3").arg(__FILE__).arg(__LINE__).arg(__func__))

[17:43:58]

GreyFoxx:

gbee: I just haven't gotten around to a proper patch. It's still a problem

[17:44:12]

justinh:

4 seconds. hrmph

[17:44:16]

GreyFoxx:

I never use CC so I just commented it out on mine on my slower maches :)

[17:45:11]

GreyFoxx:

Exposure: The only "decoding" myth does is taking the mpeg and playing back

[17:45:22]

justinh:

I commented it out on my frontend build.

[17:45:23]

GreyFoxx:

but all of the rest do take "time"

[17:45:29]

justinh:

shaved at least a couple of secs off it

[17:45:58]

GreyFoxx:

disk io, tweaking of the write sizes and lots of stuff can cause it to be slower

[17:46:23]

GreyFoxx:

Exposure: Do a verbose log of playback startup (and on the backend too)

[17:46:34]

GreyFoxx:

and see where the longest delays are

[17:46:41]

GreyFoxx:

narrow down from there

[17:46:50]

Exposure:

yeah i'm looking into it

[17:47:32]

GreyFoxx:

There is one known slowdown that occurs on all playback startup that for some is a huge slowdown and others not a problem at all

[17:47:34]

justinh:

heh. never noticed that /dev/mixer is invalid on my frontend

[17:47:50]

GreyFoxx:

that hopefully I/someone will change pre 0.22

[17:48:09]

GreyFoxx:

but right now I'm more concerned with remote DVDrom/iso playback :)

[17:48:24]

gbee:

that's another point worth making – tweaks have been made in the past which worked great on some systems but completely broke others, we're not in a controlled environment where we can dictate the filesytem used, the speed of the hard drives, the tuner hardware, processor speed

[17:48:41]

GreyFoxx:

If it was controlled hardware fixing it wouldbe EASY

[17:49:00]

GreyFoxx:

but random libraries, random cpu/tuners, random kernels

[17:49:12]

justinh:

1 second of mysql queries

[17:49:17]

GreyFoxx:

and you have a wide variety of users experiences because of it

[17:50:33]

GreyFoxx:

I'vve got something in the works that is promising for the remote DVD streaming, once that's going I'll look at a proper fix for the CC font stuff

[17:50:41]

gbee:

whatever mythtv does has to work on a wide spectrum of platforms and so while it might be made faster it has to be a change that doesn't break it for everyone else

[17:51:03]

gbee:

GreyFoxx: any external deps for that fix?

[17:51:08]

GreyFoxx:

And every tweak ends up having reports that it causes problemsfor someone else

[17:51:16]

gbee:

the DVD streaming that is

[17:51:36]

justinh:

hrm. funny. playing a video as opposed to a recording takes a couple of secs to start up

[17:51:44]

justinh:

and that's with -v all

[17:52:12]

GreyFoxx:

It'll have to be a compile time option. otherwise I don't see a "simple" way to make it work because dvdcss handles the file access itself

[17:52:22]

justinh:

what's the telnet port again?

[17:52:31]

GreyFoxx:

6546 I think ?

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keith4_:

yes, 6546

[17:53:36]

GreyFoxx:

gbee: basically Im faking a filesystem and pass the dvd playback code that, which livdvdcss can read just fine

[17:53:51]

keith4_:

in mythfrontend, which settings under utilities/setup are frontend-specific, and which are global?

[17:54:04]

GreyFoxx:

the funny part is that it could allow external players to use the video streaming too :)

[17:54:42]

GreyFoxx:

I mocked it up earlier and played a dvvd iso with it

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gbee:

ssh!

[17:57:31]

GreyFoxx:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

:)

[17:58:06]

wagnerrp:

greyfoxx said i could use mplayer with livetv... ?

[17:58:34]

GreyFoxx:

no

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GreyFoxx:

mythvideo streaming :)

[17:58:42]

wagnerrp:

just need the french guy to write up a patch... :P

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wagnerrp:

except i suppose it would only work in -fixes

[18:01:06]

gbee:

GreyFoxx: my only concern is that from a usability POV it should be seemless and require no special/additional configuration steps otherwise you might as well just be setting up NFS, so if you're saying that's not necessary then *yay*

[18:01:43]

GreyFoxx:

it will be 100% seamless

[18:01:50]

GreyFoxx:

no config at all

[18:01:59]

GreyFoxx:

cept for enabling the option at compile time

[18:02:13]

wagnerrp:

oh, so this would let you have access a dvd drive across the network?

[18:02:16]

gbee:

heh, I typo'd seamless

[18:02:27]

gbee:

wagnerrp: potentially

[18:02:51]

GreyFoxx:

wagnerrp: iso's definitely, video_ts definitely, raw dvdrom 99%

[18:02:52]

gbee:

but GreyFoxx is mainly thinking about ISO/VIDEO_TS folders in a video collection

[18:03:02]

wagnerrp:

ah

[18:03:13]

wagnerrp:

for ripped, non-transcoded content

[18:03:25]

gbee:

mount a DVD rom and basically you have a VIDEO_TS folder

[18:03:28]

GreyFoxx:

yeah

[18:03:39]

GreyFoxx:

or read the /dev/xxx directly and you have an iso :)

[18:03:45]

gbee:

yup

[18:03:57]

gbee:

albeit with different latency issues

[18:04:11]

gbee:

but no reason it shouldn't work

[18:04:36]

justinh:

ETOOMANYWINDOWS

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justinh:

I'll get some decent log later

[18:04:54]

wagnerrp:

ETOOFEWMONITORS

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justinh:

if I can save a few secs from the start of playback of every recording there's a massive improvement to be had

[18:06:49]

justinh:

also, I don't think I've ever had a frontend that wasn't diskless. wonder if having no local swap is a factor

[18:07:12]

justinh:

basically haven't delved very deep yet.

[18:07:33]

justinh:

and maybe it just _seems_ longer than it really is

[18:07:46]

justinh:

either way, it'd be cool to make it faster

[18:10:48]

justinh:

wow. time must go slower when there's a blank screen

[18:12:25]

justinh:

17:45:49.796 Connecting to backend. then 17:45:50.649 SwitchToVideo: Video size 704 x 576: then 17:45:51.191 TV: Changing from None to WatchingPreRecorded

[18:13:15]

justinh:

and after that it's just chatter about how many bytes of soundcard buffer there is, so presumably playback is in full swing

[18:14:26]

justinh:

so, not the 5 secs I imagined. under 2 !

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keith4_:

can I use mythtranscode manually, on stuff that's already recorded, without totally confusing myth?

[18:14:51]

justinh:

keith4_: yeah. just specify an output filename

[18:15:00]

keith4_:

and it will update the database?

[18:15:23]

justinh:

not sure

[18:15:27]

Dubstar_04:

Anyone seen this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oAJyjLqBFA

[18:15:29]

keith4_:

i.e., i'll still be able to use the frontend to watch the (newly-transcoded) recordings?

[18:16:21]

justinh:

Dubstar_04: woo can it use more than 2 tuners without nasty registry hacks?

[18:16:28]

justinh:

can it yet mix analogue & digital TV?

[18:16:43]

keith4_:

no, but it has a pretty touch-screen interface!

[18:16:48]

justinh:

pfft

[18:16:54]

Dubstar_04:

I dont know but theres some cool new ui features

[18:17:09]

justinh:

bored. turned it off

[18:17:17]

keith4_:

agreed

[18:17:19]

Dubstar_04:

the music control is really nice

[18:17:36]

wagnerrp:

what are you going to do with a touch screen interface?

[18:17:40]

wagnerrp:

the TV is across the room

[18:18:03]

justinh:

turboscroll looks nifty

[18:18:25]

Dubstar_04:

i thought you had turned it off

[18:18:31]

AndyCap:

wagnerrp: maybe the jedi interface.

[18:18:48]

justinh:

Dubstar_04: I ffwded, then turned it off

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Dubstar_04:

they seem to of stolen alot of ui tips from xbmc

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justinh:

who in turn stole theirs from MCE

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justinh:

who in turn I'll be stealing from some day

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Dubstar_04:

ha ha

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justinh:

if I can ever be arsed, that is

[18:19:46]

Dubstar_04:

come on

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justinh:

I dunno, there's always something better than theming to do these days

[18:20:13]

Dubstar_04:

I am really looking forward to the day you release a theme under 0.22

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justinh:

release? heh

[18:20:59]

Dubstar_04:

you know you should

[18:21:05]

justinh:

nope

[18:21:15]

Dubstar_04:

i know you should

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justinh:

the more hassle I get like this, the less likely it'll be

[18:21:24]

Dubstar_04:

boo

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Claus_:

I was away from my computer did anyone know about my issue?

[18:21:40]

Dubstar_04:

what issue?

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justinh:

I only ever did a theme because there were none I liked. that's changed. a lot

[18:22:17]

justinh:

still wanna do that code hack to its conclusion though

[18:22:19]

Dubstar_04:

justinh: have you seen gbees latest stuff?

[18:22:22]

AndyCap:

justinh: maybe you could just license your name. "JustinH Approved" :-P

[18:22:41]

justinh:

AndyCap: and all that counts for

[18:22:56]

justinh:

i.e. FA

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justinh:

Dubstar_04: Terra. seen it. love it

[18:23:13]

justinh:

not seen any newer

[18:23:24]

Dubstar_04:

is so well laid out

[18:23:31]

justinh:

yup

[18:23:38]

justinh:

no rough edges

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justinh:

no slapdash images

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Dubstar_04:

i love how simple it is, but all the info is there

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justinh:

no forgotten bits

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justinh:

sounds completely unlike anything I've ever done :P

[18:24:34]

Dubstar_04:

your really talented with graphics and theming

[18:24:46]

justinh:

BS

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keith4_:

wtf? when I use mythweb to schedule an immediate transcode of a recording... it's doing "/usr/bin/mythtranscode -j 2508 -V 3 -p autodetect", but -j isn't in the help output nor in the wiki

[18:25:13]

iamlindoro__:

nor should it be

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keith4_:

what is -j?

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justinh:

look at the state of http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/ . . . concept1.png ffs

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iamlindoro__:

j is the job number, and only relates to a transcode launched by the internal job manager

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keith4_:

ohhh

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justinh:

and http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/ . . . concept2.png – wall to wall SUCK

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keith4_:

iamlindoro__: do you know the answer to "can I use mythtranscode manually, on stuff that's already recorded, without totally confusing myth?"

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Dubstar_04:

justinh: you have done better work

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iamlindoro__:

yes, although you would still need to pass it a profile as set in the UI

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wagnerrp:

'cd2'?

[18:26:43]

AndyCap:

terminator cd2, arr, arr.

[18:26:52]

Dubstar_04:

justinh: the second one was good

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wagnerrp:

you downloading VCDs now?

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keith4_:

iamlindoro__: so, if I do "mythtranscode -i /path/to/some/recording.mpg -o /path/to/some/otherrecording.mpg -p autodetect", it won't royally screw things up?

[18:28:21]

iamlindoro__:

no, it won't screw things up

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keith4_:

that's pretty awesome

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keith4_:

still, i'm going to test it on something that i won't miss

[18:28:45]

Claus_:

Dubstar_04 My issue is that when i'm viewing pictures in image gallery two objects are off screen, (either two folders or two images) how can I tweak the gallery to show all items? My install is on a ubuntu 8.10 with the ubuntu package

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iamlindoro__:

keith4, the original file will still remain

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wagnerrp:

just remember, unless you do mpeg-to-mpeg and a lossless encode, you will end up with a nuv

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Dubstar_04:

claus_: what theme are you using?

[18:30:44]

keith4_:

iamlindoro__: right, but will the new file show up in mythfrontend?

[18:30:53]

iamlindoro__:

not unless you update the DB

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Claus_:

Dubstar_04 currently i'm running neon-wide.

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keith4_:

how about if I move the new file over the old file, when it's done?

[18:31:32]

justinh:

I never did a mythgallery page for neon-wide IIRC

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iamlindoro__:

then the original record will play the transcoded file (but the seektable will be broken)

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Dubstar_04:

claus_: just try a different them first

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justinh:

but hey if I did, so what. it sucks anyway

[18:32:05]

Dubstar_04:

justinh: neon was pure class

[18:32:13]

Dubstar_04:

its a bit dated now though

[18:32:21]

justinh:

I dunno, if I had the original files I might be able to tell you

[18:32:27]

keith4_:

iamlindoro__: what are the symptoms of a broken seektable?

[18:32:41]

wagnerrp:

'everyone is their own worst critic' and all...

[18:32:51]

justinh:

Dubstar_04: listen, if you can't say anything I like the sound of...

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iamlindoro__:

not seeking properly and, if a cutlist exists, randomly skipping parts of the transcoded file

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wagnerrp:

or he could be saying you have no taste

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Claus_:

Dubstar_04 that solved the it kinda. but both themes have the same issue (not really importent) but the folders go through the text at the bottom

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keith4_:

iamlindoro__: hmmm. okay... so maybe i'll use auto-transcoding from this point forward, and write off the existing mess

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Dubstar_04:

Claus_: what screen resolution are you running

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justinh:

whoops. that's one way to get more disk space back

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Claus_:

Dubstar_04 1360x768

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gbee:

keith4: 0.22 will be touch-screen friendly

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justinh:

Dubstar_04: anyway, I'm not cut out for doing any more 'releases'. Don't have the 'right kind of personality'. Screw em. There's bugger all in iamlindoro's theme I don't like anyway. certainly less I object to than in my own scribblings

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justinh:

and lastly Dubstar_04 no matter how much any of my themes sucked, they were infintely better than those not done by people who never did anything :P

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Dubstar_04:

justinh: true true...

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wagnerrp:

horray for us leachers!

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bytechanger:

Can vlc receive a mythtv stream? (VLC on windoze)

[18:38:00]

justinh:

does VLC have a upnp client?

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Dubstar_04:

justinh: im concentrating on writing plugins, so no time for theming

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bytechanger:

hmmm...

[18:38:17]

wagnerrp:

bytechanger: supposedly VLC has a upnp plugin, but ive never found a copy of it

[18:38:27]

bytechanger:

not sure. i know it does a lot...

[18:38:40]

bytechanger:

ah, kewl. i'll check it out... thanks guys

[18:38:48]

bytechanger:

upnp is the key i guess. :)

[18:39:08]

wagnerrp:

bytechanger: easier just to use mythrename.pl --link, and share the director via samba

[18:39:15]

gbee:

justinh: don't want to take this idea and run with it? http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/image5554.png

[18:39:56]

bytechanger:

wagnerrp: Kewl thanks. neat

[18:40:02]

justinh:

horizontal menus aren't my thing really

[18:40:35]

** gbee shrugs **

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bytechanger:

oh, can I just ctrl-c to exit mythbackend?

[18:40:47]

justinh:

can tell I have to go back to work tomorrow. feeling seriously ****ed off

[18:40:51]

wagnerrp:

it you didnt background it, yes

[18:41:13]

gbee:

doubt I'll have time to take it any further, particularly not beyond that menu, not even sure what the style elsewhere would be

[18:41:27]

bytechanger:

k, thanks again wagnerrp!

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gbee:

though even as I say that I'm starting to picture it

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AndyCap:

Heh: "Yes, UPnp player is getting rewritten completly for 1.0" http://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=44584

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justinh:

gbee: all the stuff I wanted to do all depends on the code I was hacking to make it work better for the theme, so if I never accomplish that....

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justinh:

and no, I'm not gonna beg just yet ;)

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justinh:

gbee: y'know the stuff you said about iterating through the children & setting the sizes according to the biggest found? yeh well.. where I left it I was still stumbling around in the dark around that

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bytechanger:

can I use the output file from 'nscan' to import a channel.conf? or does it have to be dvbsnoop or tzap? (Sorry, I'm upgrading from VDR...)

[18:47:28]

justinh:

just use the built-in scanner, shirley

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justinh:

or you can use dvb-utils' scan to make a proper channels.conf file in non-VDR format

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bytechanger:

yeah, i've been trying. and this last attempt is going very well. but, but... ok, I'll have faith this time... hehe

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wagnerrp:

bytechanger: do you have a multithreaded system?

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bytechanger:

hmmm... not sure what that is...

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bytechanger:

persay...

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wagnerrp:

hyperthreading, multicore, multiprocessor

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wagnerrp:

anything that has multiple hardware threads

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justinh:

gbee: #6270 (!). heh. you go gbee :)

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bytechanger:

ah, no... just a 32bit amd

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bytechanger:

single core I believe.

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justinh:

after watching that mce video, can't help but wonder how they're loading/caching images so fast.. or are they all in RAM already & what they don't show you is how long they take to load initially?

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Dubstar_04:

does any one have problems with dvds in 0.21?

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fab5freddy:

how do I find the frequencies for my cable provider (videotron/illico),

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Dubstar_04:

I have problems playing dvds in 0.21 I have upped the dvd speed in the settings to 10, and that has fixed it for some discs but some crash the frontend or just wont play

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gbee:

Dubstar_04: a few people, newer generation DVDs have copy protection that 0.21 has problems with

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gbee:

will be fixed in 0.22, but I don't know whether the fix will be backported

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Dubstar_04:

thanks gbee im not that bothered because ironman will play its just the mrs is trying to watch sex in the city

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Dubstar_04:

I would rather it not work to be honest

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clever:

.

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fab5freddy:

how come there is no install guide for mythtv and hardon heron (yet..)?

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gbee:

justinh: I've already made a small concession to the original layout for my own purposes, but I'm not changing things on the whim of anybody else

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gbee:

I obtained assurances that if I added it to SVN and if it was made the new default, that I wouldn't have to compromise my original intent or let everyone else do the same. Until I'm bored with it, I intend to protect the theme :)

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jduggan:

hardon heron??

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** jduggan chuckles **

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jvs:

hey guys

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jvs:

I'm having serious issues with mythvideo on gentoo

[19:59:11]

jduggan:

eeew

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jduggan:

BBC3

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dougl:

how do I find out what port my backend is listening on for frontends?

[19:59:18]

jvs:

I get "missing cover" for almost all entries on frontend and mythweb

[19:59:22]

jduggan:

italian TV still broadcasting in 4:3 ??

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jduggan:

:p

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jvs:

the symlinks work

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jvs:

the rights are fine

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jvs:

dunno whats the problem

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cconstantine:

I'm wanting to connect a cheep ubuntu box to my HDTV as a media PC. The box only has VGA out. Is there anyway to configure it so that the vga output is in YPrPb instead of RGB so I can use a cheep pass-through video cable instead of needing an expensive converter box?

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Dubstar_04:

jvs: have you checked your poster folder in mythfrontend setup?

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Dubstar_04:

never mind

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jvs:

dustybin, sure

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jvs:

*arg

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jvs:

dustybin, sry

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Traveler333333:

anybody know why aladdin won't play back after successful rip, same thing with return of jafar?

[20:21:00]

Traveler333333:

also, is there a trick to ripping casino royale?

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gbee:

shuffling the deck chairs – http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/image5555.png

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joe2371:

Any idea why I might be getting 'prebuffering pause' when watching analog video, but not when watching digital?

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joe2371:

Driver, I guess.

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justinh:

Traveler333333: personally I'd say it was a matter of myth having taste regarding Disney material ;)

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justinh:

too much saccharin :P

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joe2371:

Well, maybe it is a bandwidth issue. I've just tried playback at 0.9x and I've essentially eliminated the prebuffering pauses.

[20:46:41]

joe2371:

Why then would analog from my blackbird/roslyn have this issue, but not digital from my hvr-1600?

[20:47:31]

joe2371:

Is it possible that the bitrate is actually higher in the case of the MPEG from the analog source, vs. HDTV?

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gbee:

it's possible, in the case of the blackbird the bitrate is configurable

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wagnerrp:

the default (in mythtv) off that blackbird is 4400kbps

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wagnerrp:

SD video off digital tv is often much lower bitrate

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joe2371:

oh, ok. perhaps the real trouble is cbr vs vbr. I imagine vbr may be a bit more efficient to buffer.

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wagnerrp:

CBR is always easier to handle

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joe2371:

I assume DTV is vbr, no?

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wagnerrp:

that is correct

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wagnerrp:

and so is output off your IVTV card

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wagnerrp:

the default is an attempted average of 4400kbps

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joe2371:

my roslyn blackbird is CBR, you say?

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joe2371:

er, vbr?

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wagnerrp:

not exactly 4400

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cconstantine:

How easy is it to go from VGA to HDTV Component (YPrPb)?

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wagnerrp:

you cant

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wagnerrp:

you need a scan converter, something that captures on one end, does some processing, and outputs on the other end. not going to be a cheap box

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cconstantine:

I can find adapters that go from vga to component, but the color space doesn't change (RGV vs. YPrPb)

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cconstantine:

this isn't something XOrg can do for me?

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wagnerrp:

thats correct, there are a few older projectors that accept RGB component

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wagnerrp:

no, its a matter of signalling

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wagnerrp:

its all in the card

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wagnerrp:

and it will be cheaper to just pick up a new card that has component outs, than a scan converter

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cconstantine:

I'm looking to replace my frontend, and http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856167037 looks perfect, except that it's vga-out only

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wagnerrp:

its also a pretty pathetic machine

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wagnerrp:

i would doubt if it could even manage broadcast HD

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cconstantine:

yeah, but there are (mostly) no fans, it's small and cheap

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cconstantine:

really? My wife's laptop has a single-core ATOM proc and does playback just fine

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wagnerrp:

playback of what?

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cconstantine:

analog recordings

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wagnerrp:

and on what operating system?

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cconstantine:

windows

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wagnerrp:

analog recordings, yes

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wagnerrp:

the Atom chip cannot handle mpeg2 at the bitrates used for HD broadcasts

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cconstantine:

ah

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wagnerrp:

maybe if you could find a multithreaded decoder

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cconstantine:

this would be a linux system

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wagnerrp:

but not with the current revision of ffmpeg

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Traveler333333:

anybdoy know why aladdin won't play back after rip?

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cconstantine:

Besides over-the-air, what are the ways to get HD content?

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wagnerrp:

QAM (digital cable), however youre likely to only get the local channels

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cconstantine:

last I heard the only way to do it was over-the-air becaus everything else was encrypted

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wagnerrp:

firewire (also digital cable), but again, the cable co is likely to encrypt most of the channels

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wagnerrp:

and thats assuming you dont have to fight tooth and nail, and call in the FCC to get working firewire ports

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wagnerrp:

or the HDPVR, USB attached component capture box, only usable in trunk currently

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evolux:

hi! I'm totally helpless. I try to setup an epg download for german cable. The most stable seems to be xmltv.info for me, but even the "Programm Zeitschrift" in the browser is empty... What do others use?

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wagnerrp:

not something youre going to play back without a very beefy machine, or hardware accelerated video playback

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cconstantine:

this all makes me less-than-concerned with HD at the moment

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joe2371:

yay! copying the file over to the FE and playing with mplayer shows no playback problems. Looks like it was a bandwidth issue indeed. I expect that will be fixed by switching the FE over to gigabit wired from 802.11g. I suppose I should submit my blackbird patch, even though it is only one line.

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wagnerrp:

cconstantine: what do you record currently?

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cconstantine:

wagnerrp: nothing ATM (backend died, looking to reshuffle machines), but I have a single analog coax tuner

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wagnerrp:

well broadcast analog is obviously gone in the near term, leaving analog cable

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cconstantine:

I don't use over-the-air. There is only one broadcaster in my area so it doesn't really do me much good

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wagnerrp:

and the crapcast youre using currently has been rapidly dropping channels off their analog lineups

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wagnerrp:

you can still use an STB, and do analog capture off of it with your analog tuner card, though

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wagnerrp:

if you dont mind waiting another month or so

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cconstantine:

so wait, the thing where "if you have cable you have nothing to worry about in the digital transition" isn't true?

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jvs:

anybody can suggest a dvb-c card?

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jvs:

full featured maybe?

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amiskiew:

hey guys

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amiskiew:

i have a quick question

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wagnerrp:

it should rather be, 'if you have cable, all you have to worry about is your cable company dicking you over'

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mchou:

cconstantine: you have nothing to worry about

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amiskiew:

im setting up my Pinnacle PCTV HD card in Myth

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cconstantine:

wagnerrp, mchou: I keep hearing both things

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amiskiew:

and I've gotten it to work with all my analog channels

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mchou:

cconstantine: cablecos will continue analog broadcasts

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amiskiew:

and I've gotten it to recognize my digital ones

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amiskiew:

i'm passing SPDIF from my Audigy Platinum card to my receiver

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amiskiew:

and can get sound from every source, including analog tv and mythmusic

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mchou:

cconstantine: you hear both thing because there are people who want you confused

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amiskiew:

just fine

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wagnerrp:

they will continue retransmission of the local broadcast channels in analog for some number of years

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amiskiew:

in addition, I can view dvb channels using mplayer and get ac3 passthrough to the receiver

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wagnerrp:

they will only continue analog broadcasts of cable channels so long as there is a market for it

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amiskiew:

but when I view the digital channels in myth

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cconstantine:

wagnerrp, mchou: right, so what about all the extended channels (discovery, etc)?

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amiskiew:

theres no sound

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amiskiew:

any ideas?

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mchou:

amiskiew: the pinnancle 800i is a great card. If you have no sound on the digital side check your sound configuration in alsa/oss

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wagnerrp:

cconstantine: its in their best interest to change everything over to digital, and to force you to get an STB

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wagnerrp:

its really just a function of how much of their userbase is still running analog cable

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cconstantine:

wagnerrp: *sigh* I hate cable companies.

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amiskiew:

mchou: that's the problem...the sound works in every other program (including in parts of myth) just not with digital channels

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amiskiew:

so I'm pretty sure my alsa config is ok

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amiskiew:

however

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mchou:

cconstantine: forget about it, that other dude doesnt know what he's talking about

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wagnerrp:

cconstantine: its simple business

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amiskiew:

I've read a whole bunch of things about .asoundrc

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amiskiew:

and I will admit

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amiskiew:

its a little confusing

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wagnerrp:

if most of their users switch to digital, theyre going to drop most of the analog channels to pick up more bandwidth for digital

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wagnerrp:

theyre going to cater to the larger user base

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mchou:

amiskiew: the "sound" by definition is encoded digitally in the mpeg. It's virtually impossible not to have sound unless you sound card is misconfigured

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cconstantine:

wagnerrp: and force people to rent/buy STBs?

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wagnerrp:

figure youre still going to have a year or two before they really start pulling channels en masse

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amiskiew:

ok

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amiskiew:

well

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wagnerrp:

my local cable co has already pulled all the scrambled premium channels, as well as a couple of the extra sports channels off their analog lineup

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amiskiew:

i know my digital output is iec958, which is what I set as the passthrough in myth

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amiskiew:

when I do that...no sound comes out

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amiskiew:

if I change that back to default

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amiskiew:

I get sound from analog

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amiskiew:

and buzzing from digital

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amiskiew:

as if its not being passed correctly to the receiver

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cconstantine:

ok, so. My current frontend is plenty powerfull to be a backend. I don't want to buy a replacement backend so I'm looking to buy a new frontend to just do what I've always done (playback of analog recording).

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wagnerrp:

if youre only going to be doing SD, and you only intend to do SD for some considerable future, that MSI box will work just fine

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wagnerrp:

however youre probably better off looking for one that actually has composite or svideo output

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cconstantine:

ok

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wagnerrp:

if you dont mind waiting for another month or so, the ION boxes will probably start coming out in April

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wagnerrp:

which is an Atom paired with an integrated nvidia chip

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wagnerrp:

the next version of mythtv will support hardware accelerated video playback on nvidia chips

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cconstantine:

and the nvidia chips will ahve component or something?

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wagnerrp:

and that box should be able to play back just about anything myth has access to record

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wagnerrp:

theres no reason why that MSI box doesnt have some better form of video output, thats just funky

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cconstantine:

yeah

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cconstantine:

there are other boxes with the same integrated video chip with vga, hdmi, s-video, etc...

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cconstantine:

but they cost 2x+ more

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cconstantine:

and don't include a CPU, or 5.25 front bay

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wagnerrp:

well any Atom anything you get is going to have a CPU and motherboard

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wagnerrp:

intel doesnt offer a chipset without a CPU, so theyre all going to be barebones

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wagnerrp:

odd.. the intel reference board is the only one i can find on newegg with video output

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wagnerrp:

composite and svideo on a 7-pin connector

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cconstantine:

I'm good with barebones... going motherboard/cpu/video card would up the price considerably.

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joe2371:

What's the difference between a board with HDMI out vs. one with DVI-D + S/PDIF? Driver issues in the case of the former, vs. audio sync issues in the case of the latter? Or are there significant differences also in bandwidth?

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gbee:

shouldn't imagine there will be much problem with drivers for audio over HDMI, but I guess it depends on the manufacturer

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gbee:

http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/image5556.png

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joe2371:

gorgeous

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mzb_d800:

cconstantine: http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=prodd . . . prod_no=1113

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joe2371:

For mythtv purposes, will I probably want to get disks with the largest caches possible? I expect cache size is more of an issue due to the fact that I'll have multiple tuners contending for the disks, which will likely be active more often than not... but on the other hand, it might be less of an issue due to the fact that there won't be too many small files involved.

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joe2371:

I'm thinking about getting a pair of WD green 1TBs to mirror together. I'm wondering if I should spring for 32MB caches in any case.

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gbee:

I don't think it's a big deal, I've certainly never given any thought to the cache sizes on the disks I've bought

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sphery:

joe2371: best bet may be separate filesystems on separate spindles and no multi-disk

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sphery:

(which is possible and, actually, very desirable, now that we have Storage Groups)

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joe2371:

OIC, well, I wanted redundancy also, so that I wouldn't need to go through the process of backing up my entire optical collection more than once.

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sphery:

yeah, if you want redundancy, you'll need more than Storage Groups

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joe2371:

I intended to just use a simple raid-1 arrangement. Most of my old drives are in pairs, though. So I could have more than one mirror and use those as seperate storage groups, perhaps.

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sphery:

But, I'd still only RAID what I have to (i.e. the optical disc collection and "best loved" shows. You can have your recordings to go plain old, separate HDD's... You /could/ have a SG specifically for those shows you want to keep/want redundancy. Or, (my preferred approach) would be to record to plain-old-disks and then move shows to the RAID.

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sphery:

the benefit of recording to separate disks (and the benefit of doing that then moving) is that it reduces fragmentation (if you have at least 1 filesystem per tuner, it can eliminate it)

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sphery:

but, depending on how many drives you have/how much you need RAID'ed, you may need to just record to one big MD configuration

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joe2371:

You've given me food for thought. I'll consider just what it is that I'm going to care about the most. The optical backups will still exist in optical form, so the only loss would be the time spent ripping again. And recorded shows will typically be unworth archiving for long, especially since they'll likely come on again, or can be purchased to get bonus features. Hmm. Maybe I can make do with my existing disks without raid.

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joe2371:

Well, I've got a lot of optical disks I want to import, and I'd hate to do that more than once. And almost all of my older drives are PATA. I think getting a couple of 1TB SATAs for a raid-1 will make sense. And I can use a PATA raid-0 as the temporary storage before archiving to raid. The 160–640GB raid-0 will be optimized for writing, the 1TB raid-1 will be optimized for reading, and my usage will match those patterns.

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wagnerrp:

joe2371: raid0 wont help mythtv any more than discrete disks will

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wagnerrp:

it will actually not be able to handle as much load, and will be more prone to failure, than discrete disks

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** gbee thinks people get too carried away with raid **

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bytechanger:

IS there a sql command to make a backup copy of my mythconverg DB?

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wagnerrp:

also, any single disk will be able to keep up with any video operations you intend to do (ripping or transcoding), so long as youre not planning on working with raw uncompressed HD video

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wagnerrp:

bytechanger: a command in mysql? no... but there is mysqldump

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wagnerrp:

just dumps whatever you want to a big sql file

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bytechanger:

i'll take it... i'm afraid i'm going to break something...

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wagnerrp:

to restore, you just do 'mysql < file'

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iamlindoro__:

manual section 23.5

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wagnerrp:

theres directions on the wiki

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bytechanger:

sounds like it will work.... ah... thats how they create the db in the first place... neat

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bytechanger:

Thank You

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iamlindoro__:

Will be interesting to see if being in HD adds anything at all to the Simpsons tonight (personally I think being 16:9 will have a greater impact)

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bytechanger:

kewl. Thanks wagnerrp!

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bytechanger:

file has all my channel names in it! phew

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mzb_d800:

Simpsons in HD? What's the world coming to? ;)

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wagnerrp:

HD? huge donuts?

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wagnerrp:

mmmmm....

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