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| [00:00:49] | MrGandalf: | wow, Google's code snipit search is pretty slick.. |
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| [00:03:04] | iamlindoro__: | Anduin, if you haven't looked at it yet, I can probably get you an updated patch that uses GreyFoxx's Storage Group code in a little bit |
| [00:04:27] | Anduin: | iamlindoro__: Haven't yet so sure |
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| [00:10:59] | iamlindoro__: | Having them in SGs definitely slows it down a bit even when the stuff is cached, not quite sure why |
| [00:11:34] | Anduin: | without hinting SGs will always be slower |
| [00:12:04] | iamlindoro__: | Yeah, with them local you can blast through them, this slows it down to 1–2 items per second |
| [00:12:33] | iamlindoro__: | Hopefully it's okay to leave that to someone smarter to solve :) |
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| [00:15:00] | iamlindoro__: | Heh... actually, it's plenty fast |
| [00:15:17] | iamlindoro__: | Something weird is going on when it can't load an image to scale--- it tries again and again |
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| [00:15:46] | iamlindoro__: | but if I scroll that item off the screen it it as fast as always once things are in the cache |
| [00:17:16] | iamlindoro__: | Yep, removed the offending folder.png and it's back up to speed |
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| [00:22:55] | iamlindoro__: | GreyFoxx, Something funky with the SG scan code-- Running a "Scan For Changes" from a frontend only wiped out videometadata? |
| [00:23:32] | iamlindoro__: | Popped up the "If they are no longer there please remove them" for the backend that is running, with the SG, with all the media present |
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| [00:24:24] | iamlindoro__: | By the way, kids, keep backups :) |
| [00:24:50] | sphery: | iamlindoro__: If a file doesn't exist, the SG code does a fallback search through a bunch of dirs and coupled with the fact that it will perform the search every time you request the image, it would be slow for images that don't exist. You might need to use his new GetFileList() function (or whatever he called it) to see if the "optional" images exist /before/ asking for them. However, if the image is specified in the DB ... |
| [00:24:56] | sphery: | ... metadata and it's missing, asking without checking is probably better (because then slowness because the proof of misconfiguration). |
| [00:25:19] | sphery: | (it doesn't do that search if the image is found because once found, it's cached) |
| [00:25:55] | sphery: | s/because then slowness because/because then slowness becomes/ |
| [00:25:59] | iamlindoro__: | Not doing the search, just checking if host is not null and then asking with the SG request function if so, otherwise, grabbing it as though it were local |
| [00:26:02] | gbee: | SG code needs some caching and in addition we should keep a record of where a file was last found and look there first |
| [00:26:28] | iamlindoro__: | It's plenty fast, I just had a bum image that it kept trying, once I removed it, it all came up to speed |
| [00:26:45] | iamlindoro__: | now the clearing videometadata with a valid SG defined has me more worried, but I don't have to fix it either :) |
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| [00:28:28] | gbee: | iamlindoro__: it will still be slower than it could be with some simple (and no so simple) changes, it might not be slow enough now to matter to you, but you won't hear the end of it when 0.22 hits the shelves and those on 802.11b networks with Epia frontends start using it |
| [00:28:40] | gbee: | s/no so/not so/ |
| [00:29:08] | iamlindoro__: | gbee, Hopefully it's okay to submit what I've got and fix it as we go forward? (Since I'm not necessarily the one to know how to do so) |
| [00:30:40] | gbee: | sure |
| [00:32:28] | iamlindoro__: | Also updating coverart to use SGs while I'm at it, no reason not to |
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| [00:34:28] | iamlindoro__: | File browser for these files will only work w/ local files for now, will need to look at the file browser to get that working with SGs |
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| [00:38:45] | gbee: | wondering if we shouldn't be scaling images server side before transfering them over to the frontend, but I'll leave that as a suggestion, don't have time to do anything about it |
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| [00:45:24] | iamlindoro__: | There, new patch posted, uses storage groups, yadda yadda |
| [00:46:04] | iamlindoro__: | off to restore my DB ;) |
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| [01:57:46] | sphery: | iamlindoro__: SG file browser should be pretty straightforward with the GetDirectoryList() and GetFileList() functions. |
| [01:58:49] | sphery: | (of course, this coming from the guy who still hasn't done the patches you wanted :) |
| [01:59:10] | sphery: | that is, the patches I promised you I'd do. |
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| [02:10:33] | fuxxy: | Has anyone come up with a script to compare hdhomerun_config's channel scan to the channels already loaded in mythtv's database? |
| [02:13:21] | fuxxy: | and does anyone know if comcast's DVR remote works with the 'normal' ir recievers? (recievers that come with MCE remotes, specifically) |
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| [02:19:46] | cesman: | fuxxy: /topic |
| [02:19:55] | cesman: | damn |
| [02:20:01] | ** cesman iss looking a tthe wrong thing ** | |
| [02:20:12] | cesman: | need more sleep I guess |
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| [02:23:00] | fuxxy: | the bad thing is HDhomerun's linux utility seems pretty weak. the windows utility gives callsign, chanid, and frequency in hz. the linux utility only gives the channel number. |
| [02:24:18] | fuxxy: | ahh, there we go, |
| [02:24:39] | fuxxy: | now I get frequency and chanid. still no callsign lookup |
| [02:33:52] | whoscone: | hey fuxxy, how do those hdhomern's work ? |
| [02:34:20] | whoscone: | do they run mythtv software on the unit or something ? |
| [02:34:57] | whoscone: | im in australia, and was planning on getting one when they come out |
| [02:35:08] | whoscone: | never seen one though |
| [02:35:23] | whoscone: | just wondering |
| [02:36:13] | whoscone: | or does the backend chat with some app on the hdhomerun to control the tuners |
| [02:36:27] | cesman: | whoscone: the HDHR is just a tunner |
| [02:36:58] | cesman: | MythTV runs on your system and uses it as a tuner over the network |
| [02:37:05] | whoscone: | ah ok |
| [02:37:11] | whoscone: | i see |
| [02:37:27] | clever: | 12 15:16:46 < sphery> Control is over TCP, video streams over UDP. |
| [02:37:28] | clever: | 12 15:17:20 < sphery> straight from the horse's mouth: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/216178#216178 |
| [02:37:54] | whoscone: | oh, thanks |
| [02:38:22] | mchou: | fuxxy: there is plenty of callsign at http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/channels |
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| [03:02:54] | fuxxy: | mchou, that's nice, but I'd have to write a script to match it to the channels in my scan. |
| [03:02:59] | fuxxy: | reboot time |
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| [03:36:53] | b^j: | i have a mythtv setup and all the frontends but one work great, the one on my macbook is giving me an error when i select the show i want to watch saying "the file for this recording can not be found" any ideas how to fix this, its driving me crazy |
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| [04:27:08] | wagnerrp: | wow, someone bumped their own thread on -users after less than an hour |
| [04:27:47] | wagnerrp: | those are epic levels of impatience |
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| [04:30:49] | tank-man: | did you reply? |
| [04:31:00] | tank-man: | "this is not instant messaging" |
| [04:32:09] | tank-man: | people who do that obviously don't know what a search function is, so they think if i can't search for stuff, others probably cant too so i have to place my post on top |
| [04:32:33] | wagnerrp: | i was going to go on a rant... but then i realized they would have my email address |
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| [04:41:25] | wyrdvans: | Is there a way to setup mythwelcome to use rtc alarms instead of the nvram? |
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| [05:04:05] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, Maybe so-- I am a bit stumped by the logic of what to build the file list from, though-- There might be a local setting for the item (gContext->GetSetting("mythvideo.fanartDir")) or it could exist in a storage group... if so, how to build the file list in that case-- combined? One over the other? (This is why I think it would be nice to break with the past and just go all SG) |
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| [05:05:12] | iamlindoro__: | GreyFoxx, Did you see my msg earlier re: a scan for changes on a remote frontend clears out videometadata? I might very well be my fault as I converted my DB to work with SGs manually |
| [05:06:14] | iamlindoro__: | But more or less I've got the Video SG on host "Holmes" and set all my records to host = Holmes and modified all the paths to be relative to the root of the SG... works great except for the scan |
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| [05:17:40] | sphery: | iamlindoro__: I'm all for the SG-only approach |
| [05:18:18] | iamlindoro__: | Course that means you writing DB update code again ;) |
| [05:18:24] | sphery: | looking at SG's for channel icons, if I support the old way, we add a bunch of code and remove none... If we drop the old way, we add some code and drop some code and it ends up cleaner. |
| [05:18:40] | sphery: | heh |
| [05:18:40] | grokky: | anyone else having problems with blank screen after coming out of xscreensaver during pause in VDPAU playback? This is nvidia 180.29 and trunk 19987. Only way it works is with composite enabled, but then I get tearing. |
| [05:18:57] | strex: | anyone ever work with pulsaudio before? |
| [05:19:01] | sphery: | the only time DB updates are bad is when you have no idea what's causing people to get a corrupt DB |
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| [05:21:29] | kormoc: | strex, just dump it? |
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| [05:22:19] | Booge: | i have an hvr-1600 hooked up to a direct tv box through s-video. i've read the wiki, and tried some stuff posted, but can't get mythtv to change the channels. any ideas? |
| [05:23:01] | sphery: | heh, someone "Pump"'ed a thread on -users list |
| [05:23:02] | strex: | kormoc: what do you mean, dump it.. uninstall it? |
| [05:23:27] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, I'm more a fan of the person with the "1280x720 PAL recordings" |
| [05:23:30] | strex: | Booge: are you using an irblaster? or trying to control it over svideo? |
| [05:24:49] | sphery: | iamlindoro__: suppose it could be done by using an upscaling filter (but talk about a waste of bits) |
| [05:24:50] | Booge: | strex: i do have the irblaster setup, but it doesn't seem to work right. i didn't think i was able to control the channels over svideo, is that possible? the wiki said to put /usr/bin/ch_... under the cmd, but i don't have that file |
| [05:26:38] | sphery: | iamlindoro__: also, I was wondering, regarding the ION Atom boards... You're saying once you get an ION system, which comes with an Atom processor and a VDPAU-capable GPU, you /also/ have to get a plomb before it can do HDTV? |
| [05:26:54] | sphery: | Why can't the GPU handle HDTV without a plomb? |
| [05:27:00] | strex: | Booge: to my knoledge you cannot control anything over svideo. So you wound need to have an irblaster to control the external turner. |
| [05:27:04] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, har har har |
| [05:27:37] | strex: | Booge: what was the full name of the file? |
| [05:27:38] | sphery: | actually, I'm just jealous because in all my life, I've never had occasion to use the word "aplomb" in a conversation |
| [05:27:57] | sphery: | and you did/used it well |
| [05:28:06] | Booge: | strex: the backend log has an entry that says i didn't setup an svideo channel changing script and until i do so, i can't change channels |
| [05:28:07] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, Just wanted to slow down responses with a run to the dictionary |
| [05:29:05] | sphery: | We should start a "word of the day" for the -users list and see how many people we can get from the channel to use that word in a response on the list. |
| [05:29:28] | sphery: | It's fun. It's educational. And it's bound to confuse some non-IRC-enabled list readers. |
| [05:29:38] | mag0o: | I needed a ladder to pick aplomb from the top of the tree. |
| [05:29:46] | iamlindoro__: | Having inside jokes will only encourage them to come here |
| [05:29:47] | Dagmar: | Today's word is: lemonparty |
| [05:29:49] | iamlindoro__: | let's prevent that |
| [05:29:51] | Booge: | strex: i think it was ch_chan.sh |
| [05:29:55] | sphery: | good point |
| [05:30:32] | Booge: | Channel(/dev/video0) Warning: You have not set an external channel changing script for a composite or s-video input. Channel changing will do nothing. |
| [05:30:32] | kormoc: | strex, Aye, remove it/don't use it/etc |
| [05:31:06] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, I worry that proposing going all-SG would result in outright revolt-- that's why someone should not ask |
| [05:31:38] | sphery: | it's plumbing... users shouldn't care. |
| [05:31:41] | ** kormoc wants a all SG style thing, assuming subdirs work in SG's ** | |
| [05:31:43] | Booge: | strex: how do i manually set the remote code for the irblaster? |
| [05:31:45] | sphery: | But I agree, there's no reason to ask. |
| [05:31:58] | iamlindoro__: | kormoc, they do now |
| [05:32:19] | strex: | Booge: what kind of irblaster is it? |
| [05:32:20] | sphery: | they=subdirs |
| [05:32:35] | kormoc: | snaz |
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| [05:32:49] | kormoc: | I've been out of it for the past bit |
| [05:32:56] | kormoc: | but tomorrow! Inet and tv again! |
| [05:33:03] | iamlindoro__: | kormoc, only needed to miss ~24 hours to miss that one |
| [05:33:20] | iamlindoro__: | and would be easy to miss in the midst of all the other parts of those commits |
| [05:33:27] | iamlindoro__: | but good news nonetheless :) |
| [05:33:32] | kormoc: | Indeed! |
| [05:33:42] | Booge: | strex: it's the one that came with the hvr-1600 |
| [05:34:04] | kormoc: | And I'm learning why I hate ndiswrapper all over again... |
| [05:34:13] | iamlindoro__: | kormoc, Already have my fanart/screenshot/banner/coverart stuff using SGs, so it made it a snap |
| [05:34:34] | iamlindoro__: | But it would be even *better* if I could not worrk about two possible settings (local and SG) |
| [05:34:37] | iamlindoro__: | er worry |
| [05:34:56] | sphery: | I'm considering installing ndiswrapper since I can't get my AR2450 to work... I can scan (so receiving works), but it seems I can't send/transmit. |
| [05:35:26] | kormoc: | 32 or 64 bit? Cause I can't get anything to work with it with 64 bit... it all just faults out or locks up |
| [05:35:34] | sphery: | My last laptop used ndiswrapper for about 1 1/2 years until bcm43xx became usable (then became b43, which was great) |
| [05:35:40] | kormoc: | but I hear that's very device specific, so perhaps I'm just unlucky |
| [05:35:43] | sphery: | I don't want to go through that again |
| [05:36:02] | sphery: | kormoc: mine is 64-bit... you have the AR2450, too? |
| [05:36:53] | kormoc: | nah, the WUSB54G and a RT8185, both are foobared in 64 bit tho :( |
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| [05:37:44] | iamlindoro__: | Does anyone else's "The Office" keep insisting it's 1:31 long?? |
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| [05:37:50] | sphery: | oh... I'm using the ath5k with compat-wireless-old, but I may just upgrade my kernel because I don't think -old is actually working for 2450 |
| [05:38:22] | sphery: | iamlindoro__: the one I recorded tonight recorded from 9:00–9:31 |
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| [05:38:41] | sphery: | and I got the end |
| [05:38:49] | ** iamlindoro__ grumbles, kicks his backend ** | |
| [05:38:59] | iamlindoro__: | (Which requires a certain degree of dexterity) |
| [05:39:21] | iamlindoro__: | Anyway, Just had to manually stop it, second week |
| [05:39:35] | strex: | kormoc: I've tried to not use the pulsaudio and then I don't get any audio.. |
| [05:39:41] | iamlindoro__: | Oh! Yay, Dollhouse tomorrow |
| [05:40:03] | strex: | Booge: are you sure it's a transmitter and not just a receiver. |
| [05:40:09] | sphery: | iamlindoro__: if there's no show in the listings for the next hour, it may be "extended" by Myth to fill the gap |
| [05:40:34] | sphery: | i.e. might want to check the SD data to see if there's anything listed immediately after |
| [05:40:44] | kormoc: | that seems silly |
| [05:40:45] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, It definitely shows 30 rock then ER |
| [05:40:59] | Booge: | strex: it's a transmitter and receiver |
| [05:41:07] | iamlindoro__: | but it was trying to go 1:31, very odd |
| [05:41:24] | sphery: | so, it has office, then 30 rock, then ER, but it says the office is 1:31 (and overlaps rock/half of er)? |
| [05:41:29] | iamlindoro__: | yep |
| [05:41:46] | sphery: | if so, I'd check my recording rule to see the 60min end late |
| [05:41:57] | sphery: | the one you put on so you'd be sure to get all of the post-superbowl office |
| [05:42:04] | iamlindoro__: | all zeros |
| [05:42:13] | sphery: | sure you don't have another rule |
| [05:42:31] | iamlindoro__: | Just that one |
| [05:42:38] | iamlindoro__: | But I suspect you're right, something's stuck from that day |
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| [05:42:50] | iamlindoro__: | recreating the rule will likely do |
| [05:43:17] | sphery: | yeah |
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| [05:45:46] | iamlindoro__: | yep |
| [05:45:50] | iamlindoro__: | thanks, nice thinking |
| [05:47:42] | Booge: | whats the script to change the channel? |
| [05:49:53] | kormoc: | Booge, whatever you want it to be! |
| [05:50:55] | Booge: | where do you get a script for direct tv stb's? |
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| [06:06:12] | PReDiToR: | I'm thinking about building a box for myth. I'm in England have cable through Virgin. Is there a decent Linux supported PAL TV card that anyone would recommend? I see most of the cards in the database have been superseded by HD ones, which is not a priority feature for me. |
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| [06:17:34] | AndyCap: | PReDiToR: PVR-500? |
| [06:18:11] | PReDiToR: | AndyCap, Thanks, I'll take a look at that one. |
| [06:19:31] | AndyCap: | PReDiToR: hmm, seems they're killed off http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_PVR-500 |
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| [06:26:49] | RyeBrye: | I'll see you my PVR-500 for $250 USD ;) |
| [06:27:00] | RyeBrye: | It's obviously a collectors item now! |
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| [08:23:28] | gbee: | agh, the day after I order my new keyboard/mouse, it's 'Deal of the day' with £7 knocked off the price |
| [08:24:23] | gbee: | they did that deliberately just to wind me up |
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| [08:28:14] | justinh: | grrr I have too many albums not already on musicbrainz |
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| [08:29:42] | justinh: | gbee: that sucks |
| [08:29:58] | wagnerrp: | weeeee! riding the split wave |
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| [08:39:08] | gbee: | feels somehow worse because I opted for overnight delivery, if I'd gone with my usual 3 day or even free delivery I could have cancelled the order this morning and re-ordered at the lower price |
| [08:39:23] | wagnerrp: | what did you order? |
| [08:39:49] | gbee: | ah well, I was happy yesterday, I'll just pretend that I didn't see the lower price this morning |
| [08:40:02] | gbee: | wireless keyboard/mouse bundle |
| [08:40:31] | justinh: | I need to change the mouse on my backend from a wireless one. it goes to sleep far too quickly |
| [08:41:24] | wagnerrp: | i cant say ive had to wait any considerable amount of time for any of my wireless mice to 'wake' |
| [08:41:43] | justinh: | nah it wakes up fast enough. just goes to sleep too often |
| [08:41:54] | justinh: | fair dues I leave it for 10 mins at a time |
| [08:42:57] | wagnerrp: | i mean theyre nearly instantly responsive, such that i dont know they have gone to sleep |
| [08:43:31] | justinh: | bet yours didn't come 'free' with a laptop case though :P |
| [08:44:02] | wagnerrp: | cant say they did |
| [08:44:08] | wagnerrp: | i think my cheapest one was $40 |
| [08:44:18] | justinh: | oof |
| [08:44:34] | justinh: | that's more than some people's frontends cost :D |
| [08:45:20] | wagnerrp: | with how much time i spend on the computer, why not buy something that fits my hand and functions well |
| [08:45:39] | wagnerrp: | although i would say the $50 video card in one of my FEs is worth more than the entire rest of the computer |
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| [08:47:59] | wagnerrp: | well im upgrading my array |
| [08:48:09] | wagnerrp: | should be up to 4.5TB sometime tomorrow |
| [08:48:19] | wagnerrp: | i guess that makes this a good time to go to bed |
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| [09:09:43] | justinh: | omfg how anal is musicbrainz about everything? wow |
| [09:10:28] | justinh: | edited a relationship for a compilation which only had one entry in the db |
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| [09:20:16] | gbee: | day gets worse, my uncle died this morning :( |
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| [10:01:25] | justinh: | gbee: ouch. my condolences |
| [10:06:00] | mzb_d800: | well, now I'm confused. Out of all of my storage dirs, only two of them are showing on the status page (info in FE, and Status on mythweb). How do I diagnose/check this? |
| [10:06:26] | mzb_d800: | (hopefully without stopping all the BE's!) |
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| [10:36:39] | olejl1: | I'm trying to figure out how my satellite provider is transmitting EIT, but I'm not successful, and was hoping anyone here could help me. |
| [10:36:52] | olejl1: | I have tried the list, but no answer: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/292373 |
| [10:36:59] | gbee: | new mouse has an audible click, I hate that |
| [10:37:33] | olejl1: | (looks like there is a mixup with my topic and an old one) |
| [10:40:07] | justinh: | olejl1: if you get no answer on the ML, abandon all hope |
| [10:40:19] | olejl1: | :( |
| [10:42:03] | sid3windr: | abandon all hope, ye who mail here |
| [10:44:35] | olejl1: | it seems such an easy thing for someone with the knowledge (which I don't have so who am I to say). I have really tried to dig in... |
| [10:45:26] | justinh: | so what you mean is, you've been trying to add support for your provider's (broken) version of EIT |
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| [10:46:22] | olejl1: | well I'm saying that if I could figure out how the EIT is transmitted I would add support for it |
| [10:47:39] | olejl1: | It makes my Mythbox a lot less usable when I only have info about current / next program |
| [10:54:03] | k-man: | in my xinitrc, i have "exec nvidia-settings --load-config-only" however it seems that if X is starting after a crash, this command causes X to crash again |
| [10:54:09] | k-man: | anyone else had that problem? |
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| [11:15:30] | Dibblah: | olejl1: What's the provider, and more importantly, what middleware do they use? |
| [11:18:21] | Dibblah: | olejl1: There is code for a few providers that may be able to be modified at: http://www.linuxtv.org/vdrwiki/index.php/Eepg-plugin |
| [11:20:16] | olejl1: | Dibblah: My provider is Showtimearabia |
| [11:21:08] | olejl1: | but to be able to modify anything I have to understand how it is working in the first place. I tried to find it out with dvbsnoop, but I'm stuck |
| [11:24:10] | Dibblah: | olejl1: As far as I can find out, it's OpenTV. |
| [11:26:04] | olejl1: | OpenTV? |
| [11:28:41] | Dibblah: | ... The middleware stack. |
| [11:29:31] | olejl1: | and OpenTV would be compatible with the eepg plugin? |
| [11:30:00] | Dibblah: | I have no idea. |
| [11:30:19] | Dibblah: | Please, feel free to utilise the omniscient Google. |
| [11:31:25] | olejl1: | pont taken :) |
| [11:31:30] | olejl1: | *point |
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| [11:33:25] | Dibblah: | Ah, lovely. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/13/wakefield_apostrophes/ |
| [11:33:27] | dorekos: | hi |
| [11:33:34] | dorekos: | any help with debian? |
| [11:33:38] | dorekos: | debian 4 please |
| [11:33:46] | justinh: | try #debian |
| [11:34:21] | Dibblah: | "We can't figure out where they belong, so we'll just miss them out. Besides, they cause problems with computars." |
| [11:34:30] | dorekos: | do you think there can help me to install mythtv in debian? |
| [11:34:43] | dorekos: | i came from there.. |
| [11:34:48] | dorekos: | :-P |
| [11:35:06] | Dibblah: | dorekos: Use your package manager. Install Myth with it. |
| [11:35:08] | justinh: | I won't help anybody install anything. we don't do hand-holding here |
| [11:35:14] | Dibblah: | Google for a guide. |
| [11:35:45] | Dibblah: | justinh: I believe that is untrue. |
| [11:36:06] | Dibblah: | Have a look at the most recent -dev posting. Very helpful to Avilipsha and crew. |
| [11:36:17] | dorekos: | google its enought |
| [11:36:26] | dorekos: | withoyt t |
| [11:36:28] | dorekos: | :-P |
| [11:36:38] | justinh: | ewrguj dgsyuatuewq67 ewqtuy6tuyb |
| [11:36:38] | dorekos: | when i try to install with apt-get install mythtv |
| [11:36:41] | Dibblah: | (From Chris Pinkham) |
| [11:37:09] | dorekos: | debian say: mythtv: Depende: mythtv-backend (>= 0.21–0.11etch1) pero no va a instalarse |
| [11:37:14] | dorekos: | any idea? |
| [11:37:26] | laga: | Dibblah: lmao |
| [11:37:29] | dorekos: | how can aoto install this dependencias..? |
| [11:37:49] | laga: | "find ./ -type f | xargs grep -i tv |
| [11:37:52] | laga: | rotfl |
| [11:38:26] | dorekos: | laga who? |
| [11:38:46] | justinh: | dorekos: find a guide for installing mythtv on debian and USE IT |
| [11:38:51] | Dibblah: | dorekos: If your apt-get doesn't resolve the dependencies for Myth, then there is something broken in your distribution. |
| [11:39:00] | dorekos: | i have it front me |
| [11:39:06] | dorekos: | but its enough |
| [11:39:22] | dorekos: | my system dont response like guide say. |
| [11:39:30] | laga: | dorekos: no, i was quoting something from the mailing list |
| [11:39:50] | Dibblah: | dorekos: Find a guide that matches the version of the distribution you are running. |
| [11:40:22] | dorekos: | i think the problem could be are in my version of debian |
| [11:40:26] | dorekos: | its the last.. |
| [11:40:29] | dorekos: | :-( |
| [11:40:47] | dorekos: | and no so much guide are in internet with this version of OS |
| [11:41:43] | dorekos: | do you know? |
| [11:41:46] | Dibblah: | I would highly recommend upgrading, then. |
| [11:41:52] | justinh: | oh well. never mind. better use another distro then. like mythbuntu |
| [11:42:21] | dorekos: | which distro do you have dibblah? |
| [11:42:30] | Dibblah: | Ubnut. |
| [11:42:47] | dorekos: | the problem is now i have confirere all system, samba, users, etc.. |
| [11:42:58] | justinh: | ooo like that takes a long time |
| [11:42:59] | dorekos: | and now, reinstall againg... no please.. |
| [11:43:03] | dorekos: | :-/ |
| [11:43:16] | justinh: | ignore -replies dorekos* |
| [11:43:23] | ** justinh hides ** | |
| [11:43:24] | Dibblah: | Realistically, any distribution should be able to run Myth. |
| [11:43:35] | laga: | what version of debian is that? woody? |
| [11:43:47] | dorekos: | version 4 |
| [11:43:52] | dorekos: | to amd |
| [11:44:18] | Dibblah: | But there are complexities in the installation / configuration that are difficult to walk through in IRC – You're much better reading, understanding and following a guide by yourself. |
| [11:45:38] | dorekos: | i will try to instal with sources , svn |
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| [11:48:27] | laga: | ah, root@... |
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| [11:53:24] | kiru: | hello |
| [11:53:38] | kiru: | i have bought a dvb-t usb-stick from hauppauge |
| [11:53:46] | justinh: | #linuxtv |
| [11:53:54] | kiru: | according to the guides on linuxtv.org, it works |
| [11:54:06] | kiru: | how do i make it available in mythtv? |
| [11:54:26] | kiru: | there are only strange things about a database creation and application crash |
| [11:54:31] | Dibblah: | kiru: As I said when you asked in #linuxtv, most are not supported. |
| [11:54:32] | justinh: | how do you test it works before proceeding with mythtv?! |
| [11:54:32] | justinh: | how do you test it works before proceeding with mythtv?! |
| [11:54:54] | Dibblah: | What does dmesg say when you insert the card? Pastebin it. |
| [11:54:54] | kiru: | ls -l /dev/dvb |
| [11:55:15] | justinh: | screw it. bye bye *@*.de |
| [11:55:40] | justinh: | they have #mythtv-de |
| [11:55:56] | kiru: | http://paste.ubuntu.com/117611/ |
| [11:55:59] | Dibblah: | ... Yes, but that blocks quite a few good people. |
| [11:56:20] | justinh: | and? |
| [11:57:03] | kiru: | so... |
| [11:57:08] | Dibblah: | What's the issue you have and what guide are you following? |
| [11:57:14] | kiru: | you are arguing and i should leave? |
| [11:57:39] | [Peter]: | kiru: check if the card works with scan/tzap and mplayer first |
| [11:57:40] | kiru: | I want to use mythtv with this dvb-t stick |
| [11:57:49] | kiru: | aha |
| [11:58:14] | justinh: | always test your frickin hardware outside of mythtv FIRST |
| [11:58:16] | justinh: | ALWAYS |
| [11:58:20] | justinh: | you get it? |
| [11:58:22] | kiru: | sorry |
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| [11:59:00] | Dibblah: | Apparently, that's not the correct helpdesk manner. |
| [11:59:22] | Dibblah: | At least, that's what management told me when I didn't dispose of a body well enough. <sigh> |
| [11:59:52] | justinh: | is putting horses heads in their beds off limits too? |
| [12:00:06] | [Peter]: | no, that's okay |
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| [12:42:33] | rotty: | can I switch the frontend into a windowed mode when it's displayed fullscreen? |
| [12:42:54] | justinh: | nope |
| [12:43:20] | rotty: | :-( |
| [12:43:28] | rotty: | or just minimize it? |
| [12:43:32] | justinh: | nope |
| [12:44:16] | clever: | might be able to minimize if you use a shortcut in the window manager |
| [12:44:24] | clever: | or right click it on the 'task bar' |
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| [12:45:16] | rotty: | clever: right, I just had to look up GNOME's keyboard bindings; thanks! |
| [12:45:36] | rotty: | justinh: so you're wrong :-p ;-) |
| [12:45:54] | justinh: | nope |
| [12:46:07] | justinh: | depends which window manager you use, if any. you didn't mention a WM |
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| [12:58:18] | mbreum: | Hi. I just installed a Hauppage nova TD-500 dual tuner DVB card and got it tuned in. I have a hard time explaining what is wrong, but it's like the picture does not transition well from one frame to the next. There is no flow. It's like being on a disco with only the stroboscope lit. Has anyone experienced that or know the technical term to help me search for it? (not the disco) |
| [12:58:48] | justinh: | sounds like a video driver problem |
| [12:59:03] | justinh: | as in – your system doesn't have enough speed to play back at the full frame rate |
| [12:59:11] | justinh: | see mythfrontend -v playback log |
| [12:59:29] | gbee: | probably no xvideo |
| [12:59:41] | gbee: | mbreum: what graphics card and which driver? |
| [13:02:10] | mbreum: | It's a brand new gigabyte motherboard with a built in ati radeon 3200. I enabled the proprietary ati driver when installing mythbuntu. |
| [13:05:49] | mbreum: | With -v playback log, the prompt puts out lines, mostly with fps = '25.00' (only two lines vary, one with 25.02 and the first with 25.23) |
| [13:05:49] | mbreum: | Is that what we were looking for? |
| [13:06:02] | justinh: | no |
| [13:06:17] | mbreum: | mean and std.dev values, then? |
| [13:06:20] | justinh: | no |
| [13:06:34] | gbee: | mbreum: Option "TexturedVideo" "on" |
| [13:06:35] | justinh: | when playback first starts there will be a bunch of messages |
| [13:06:53] | gbee: | in the device section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| [13:08:13] | mbreum: | Aaarh, yeah, there it says: No suitable XVideo port found – ... – falling back to X shared memory video output. |
| [13:08:31] | mbreum: | That will be fixed by TexturedVideo on? |
| [13:08:48] | gbee: | IIRC it should be |
| [13:12:11] | mbreum: | Will try, it'll take a few moments – must install editor first... |
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| [13:14:55] | mbreum: | Hmm.. I cannot seem to find the section to put it in. man xorg.conf does not mention the option TexturedVideo |
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| [13:16:35] | kiru: | hello |
| [13:17:40] | justinh: | wow. it only takes 40 minutes to cross the voide |
| [13:17:42] | justinh: | *void |
| [13:17:51] | kiru: | hm? |
| [13:18:33] | kiru: | I get the following error message: 2009-02–13 14:18:15.965 Using protocol version 40 |
| [13:18:33] | kiru: | 2009-02–13 14:18:16.025 TV Error: Failed to get recording show list |
| [13:18:43] | kiru: | anyone an idea? |
| [13:19:08] | kiru: | this happens when am starting mythtv from the command line |
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| [13:27:45] | justinh: | you should not start mythtv with the command 'mythtv' |
| [13:27:56] | justinh: | and it sounds like you've not done every step of mythtv-setup correctly |
| [13:28:30] | justinh: | it actually looks like you're not following a howto guide or any documentation, still |
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| [13:28:56] | aBs0lut30: | can someone take a peek at the compile error I am getting... am trying to build the latest src from trunk and I have started getting undefined reference to RemoteFile::* full output is http://pastebin.com/m4c5e8792 |
| [13:29:15] | aBs0lut30: | even went and nuked my trunk folder and did a clean checkout... |
| [13:29:19] | gbee_: | OT – Where does XP hide the mac address of network adapters? Can't find it and it's getting on my nerves now |
| [13:29:20] | justinh: | aBs0lut30: tried make distclean? |
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| [13:29:32] | justinh: | gbee_: ipconfig /all |
| [13:29:33] | laga: | gbee_: try "ipconfig" in a terminal? |
| [13:29:48] | aBs0lut30: | justing: that and rm -rf trunk and getting a fresh copy... |
| [13:29:59] | gbee_: | heh, I was typing ifconfig ... doh |
| [13:30:00] | gbee_: | thanks |
| [13:30:10] | justinh: | needs the /all :) |
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| [13:31:23] | justinh: | whoah! just plugged a new board into a system & 5 caps went pop. hand inserted the wrong way round. whoops |
| [13:31:48] | aBs0lut30: | it seems like every time i try to update trunk i run into a strange compile error :( it doesnt like me... |
| [13:32:11] | justinh: | oh well. que sera. stick with -fixes then :P |
| [13:32:14] | aBs0lut30: | justinh: gotta love the smell of burnt electronic :D |
| [13:33:08] | aBs0lut30: | well, if my hd-pvr and vdpau would work with -fixes *wink wink* i would :D |
| [13:33:41] | justinh: | wonder how many more people who are just randomly prodding things in the hope they'll make mythtv work are going to come in today |
| [13:33:49] | gbee_: | well stupid windows machine still wouldn't connect after being added to the mac allow list, had to disable the mac filter |
| [13:33:58] | gbee_: | I hate windows |
| [13:34:12] | aBs0lut30: | but windows let all that fresh air in... |
| [13:34:38] | aBs0lut30: | HAH, I have a new taglin for linux, Windows are for buildings, linux is for computers :D |
| [13:34:42] | gbee_: | what's the betting that the access point will now lose the 10 mac addresses that were on the list prior to it being disabled :( |
| [13:35:39] | ** stuarta puts 10 quid on it ** | |
| [13:36:33] | ** rotty runs OpenWRT kamikaze on his AP — plain text config files rock :-) ** | |
| [13:36:49] | aBs0lut30: | so, anybody have any ideas on what I could try to get this thing to compile?? |
| [13:37:28] | stuarta: | so have you installed qt4 for starters? |
| [13:37:57] | gbee_: | rotty: can't be bothered with that :) |
| [13:38:01] | aBs0lut30: | yup... I have the trunk copy running, just trying to update to the latest release... and when I compile am getting http://pastebin.com/m4c5e8792 |
| [13:38:30] | stuarta: | distclean? |
| [13:38:42] | gbee_: | just unfortunate that my sister brought her laptop over with her and had to use it, and not one of my machines, to connect to the internet |
| [13:38:49] | aBs0lut30: | yup, and when that didnt work I nuked my src and got a 100% clean copy from svn |
| [13:38:54] | mbreum: | I'm back. The TexturedVideo option almost did the trick. It's almost smooth now, but it's still like I can see that it consists of single images. Is there anything else I can do to speed up X? |
| [13:39:07] | justinh: | enable deinterlacing |
| [13:39:36] | justinh: | but that won't speed up X.. I suspect you only need to enable deinterlacing in video playback profiles |
| [13:41:01] | mbreum: | Its not smooth in live tv watching – didn't try recording anything yet |
| [13:41:44] | justinh: | live tv IS recorded |
| [13:42:10] | mbreum: | I stand corrected... |
| [13:47:19] | justinh: | reasons managers shouldn't interview software engineers number 56: developer has been trying to reproduce a fault for me for the last fortnight. just occurred to him today that he hadn't plugged the network port in. |
| [13:48:50] | stuarta: | your company been employing people from stupidsville again? |
| [13:49:33] | justinh: | the software guy who'd been here longest sat in on that interview, and he was overruled when it came to the decision |
| [13:50:09] | ** stuarta offers justinh the cluebat with extra sharp spikes ** | |
| [13:50:25] | justinh: | based on him, *I* could be writing software here. and you know what my coding's like |
| [13:51:10] | stuarta: | understanding is 90% of it, the other 10% is actual coding |
| [13:51:12] | justinh: | this is the guy who broke the USB socket on the IDE bus analyser last year |
| [13:51:21] | stuarta: | numpty |
| [13:52:14] | justinh: | ah so I must be about 5% of the way towards being able to code :P |
| [13:52:25] | stuarta: | aye |
| [13:53:35] | kiru: | ok, guys... I followed this guide: http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php ... but the channel search does not show any channels |
| [13:54:08] | justinh: | oh god. do not follow that guide |
| [13:54:22] | justinh: | find an _official_ one for your distro |
| [13:54:29] | kiru: | hm |
| [13:54:30] | kiru: | ok |
| [13:54:41] | justinh: | as in, part of your 'community' docs or on the mythtv wiki |
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| [13:55:00] | justinh: | not by 'some guy' on a webpage in the middle of nowhere |
| [13:55:17] | kiru: | haha |
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| [13:56:00] | justinh: | howto guides on blog posts should be similarly avoided if possible |
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| [14:05:54] | justinh: | aw sugar. rename command gone awry, lost a whole dir |
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| [14:07:29] | ** justinh makes mental note never to try rename s/\.\.\.\./\.\.\./ * again ** | |
| [14:10:41] | justinh: | just occurred to me maybe they're not lost. heh. stupid B'stard |
| [14:11:35] | justinh: | only hidden. phew. saves a lot of re-tagging |
| [14:17:26] | mag0o: | hehe |
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| [14:19:39] | justinh: | my music collection.. the Blankety-Blank edition |
| [14:21:53] | kiru: | well, followed an ubuntu guide |
| [14:21:58] | kiru: | same problems as before |
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| [14:22:10] | kiru: | maybe i should try another application |
| [14:22:30] | stuarta: | so what is the problem? |
| [14:22:46] | kiru: | mythtv: could not connect to socket |
| [14:22:46] | kiru: | mythtv: No such file or directory |
| [14:22:57] | kiru: | i think, this is the current error message |
| [14:23:02] | justinh: | nope |
| [14:23:06] | justinh: | that only refers to lirc |
| [14:23:11] | kiru: | aha |
| [14:23:15] | justinh: | the next line below that tells you as such |
| [14:23:25] | mag0o: | well justinh, at least musicbrainz shouldn't be able to mess that collection up :) |
| [14:23:36] | kiru: | so lirc is the problem? |
| [14:23:38] | justinh: | I renamed the dirs back now :) |
| [14:23:43] | justinh: | kiru: I doubt it |
| [14:24:06] | justinh: | kiru: lirc is what mythtv uses to get button presses from a remote control, and you've not got that far yet |
| [14:24:16] | kiru: | I try to start TV and the screen flushes shortly ... thats it |
| [14:24:34] | stuarta: | so did you configure the channels first? |
| [14:24:48] | kiru: | you mean the channel search? |
| [14:25:23] | kiru: | I configured all the stuff written in the installation guide from ubuntu wiki |
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| [14:26:14] | AlmightyOatmeal: | my mythrename.pl doesn't want to run in cron :( |
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| [14:26:46] | kiru: | tv-card |
| [14:26:50] | kiru: | video-ressources |
| [14:26:58] | kiru: | and links |
| [14:27:17] | stuarta: | did you work your way through 1 -> 6 in mythtv-setup? |
| [14:27:19] | AlmightyOatmeal: | i have my cron statement run mythrename.pl as mythtv, or should i be running it as root? |
| [14:27:24] | kiru: | yes |
| [14:27:43] | stuarta: | you mumbled something before about not finding channels? |
| [14:28:02] | kiru: | well no, i did only the first 4 |
| [14:28:06] | justinh: | AlmightyOatmeal: you should run it as a user with mythtv privileges – ideally the same user a (non root) mythbackend runs as |
| [14:28:08] | kiru: | stuarta, yes |
| [14:28:28] | justinh: | AlmightyOatmeal: and you should probably also not let it actually rename your recordings and use the --link option instead |
| [14:28:30] | stuarta: | kiru: if you did only 1 -> 4 in mythtv-setup go back and do 5 and 6 |
| [14:28:36] | AlmightyOatmeal: | justinh: well thats just odd, it doesn't seem to execute.. woke up this morning and it looks like it never ran |
| [14:28:42] | AlmightyOatmeal: | justinh: i use --link |
| [14:28:47] | justinh: | AlmightyOatmeal: :) |
| [14:28:52] | justinh: | safest way |
| [14:28:54] | AlmightyOatmeal: | i didn't see my overnight recordings in my linked folder though :( |
| [14:29:06] | stuarta: | AlmightyOatmeal: scripts run from cron have no environment |
| [14:29:21] | stuarta: | i'll put money on that script not setting up its own environment |
| [14:29:24] | justinh: | AlmightyOatmeal: you could also run it as a user job at the end of every recording by default :) |
| [14:29:25] | Dibblah: | Not strictly true. They have a limited environment. |
| [14:29:27] | stuarta: | and hence it doesn't run |
| [14:29:27] | Dibblah: | ;) |
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| [14:29:32] | AlmightyOatmeal: | stuarta: so i would have to start it with sh? |
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| [14:29:52] | stuarta: | [14:29] <+stuarta> i'll put money on that script not setting up its own environment |
| [14:30:03] | AlmightyOatmeal: | so that would be a yes |
| [14:30:07] | stuarta: | no |
| [14:30:29] | stuarta: | if you start an sh from cron, it'll also have bugger all env |
| [14:30:29] | AlmightyOatmeal: | run mythrename in a bash script with a shebang? |
| [14:30:49] | stuarta: | do a test for me |
| [14:31:03] | stuarta: | take the script as you are trying to run it from cron |
| [14:31:11] | loki_666: | my mythwelcome doesnt seems to make the difference when the it wake-up because of a scheduled recording or when it wakes up because i powered it on |
| [14:31:17] | stuarta: | and run it like this "env – <command>" |
| [14:31:24] | stuarta: | i'll bet it doesn't work |
| [14:31:36] | AlmightyOatmeal: | seems to have worked |
| [14:31:40] | ** justinh renamed mythwelcome mythtreehuggersunited ** | |
| [14:31:53] | AlmightyOatmeal: | :P |
| [14:32:16] | loki_666: | it always start mythfrontend |
| [14:32:20] | AlmightyOatmeal: | stuarta: basically i did -> env – /storage/mythrename.pl /storage --verbose --format "%T %- %S %- %Y-%m-%d" --link /storage/recordings/ |
| [14:32:38] | AlmightyOatmeal: | i suppose i could omit --verbose if i'm running from cron lol |
| [14:32:42] | AlmightyOatmeal: | oops. |
| [14:33:48] | clever: | id think sticking it in the channel change script(if you had one) would be perfect |
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| [14:33:59] | clever: | run exactly when a recording starts to catch it |
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| [14:35:23] | Dibblah: | Maybe if Myth had the functionality to run scripts after a recording. |
| [14:35:33] | stuarta: | oh wait, it does |
| [14:35:35] | AlmightyOatmeal: | heh... |
| [14:35:37] | Dibblah: | I think I would call them 'user jobs' |
| [14:35:41] | Dibblah: | ;) |
| [14:35:50] | AlmightyOatmeal: | but that would make sense Dibblah, quit raining on my parade :P |
| [14:36:04] | ** sid3windr reigns on AlmightyOatmeal's parade ** | |
| [14:36:30] | AlmightyOatmeal: | :P |
| [14:36:32] | ** stuarta suspects sid3windr is not royalty ** | |
| [14:36:32] | clever: | Dibblah: that would only take effect after the recording and all jobs end |
| [14:36:35] | Dibblah: | That would be over. |
| [14:36:46] | Dibblah: | clever: Yes....? |
| [14:37:00] | clever: | Dibblah: a simple 'sleep' in the channel change script with a touch of & would make it easy to make the link 30 seconds after starting |
| [14:37:06] | olejl1: | Does MythTV support EEPG? |
| [14:37:12] | justinh: | nope |
| [14:37:12] | Dibblah: | olejl1: No. |
| [14:37:25] | Dibblah: | You said "I'll implement it myself" |
| [14:37:32] | stuarta: | is EEPG a relative of EIT? |
| [14:37:32] | Dibblah: | So I gave you a starting point. |
| [14:37:41] | Dibblah: | eepg is a plugin to VDR. |
| [14:37:48] | Dibblah: | Supports OpenTV, etc. |
| [14:37:54] | stuarta: | ah |
| [14:37:54] | olejl1: | yes I said that, just figuring out where to start |
| [14:38:00] | justinh: | hmmm if only there were some script which could recurse into directories and rename stuff with proper capitalisation |
| [14:38:13] | justinh: | the beginning is a good place to start |
| [14:38:18] | olejl1: | :) |
| [14:38:25] | olejl1: | thanks for the tip |
| [14:38:31] | Dibblah: | Use The Source, Luke! |
| [14:38:51] | gbee: | would be a short perl script |
| [14:39:14] | gbee: | think I even wrote a script to do exactly that for my mp3 collection a few years ago |
| [14:39:14] | Dibblah: | Perl? Meh. All You Need Is SED. And xargs. |
| [14:39:29] | gbee: | eww |
| [14:39:36] | stuarta: | and a liberal dose of fu |
| [14:40:50] | olejl1: | would it be difficult to get hold of the EEPG data inside myth. I think I have found out as much as it is transmitting on PID 515 |
| [14:41:20] | stuarta: | that's a good start |
| [14:41:24] | justinh: | is opentv that thing which isn't actually open at all and had to be reverse engineered? |
| [14:41:50] | stuarta: | iirc it uses MHP which is almost java |
| [14:42:15] | gbee: | almost Java is not good |
| [14:42:50] | stuarta: | steaming pile of turd comes to mind |
| [14:43:59] | justinh: | speaking of which I need to speak to out (sh) IT dept |
| [14:44:22] | justinh: | need to see them about MOAR RAMZ |
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| [14:46:02] | stuarta: | olejl1: now you just have to work out how the information is encoded on that pid |
| [14:46:43] | olejl1: | yep, I'm starting on that now |
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| [14:49:56] | kiru: | how long does the scanning take? |
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| [14:54:04] | stuarta: | kiru: depends on what you are scanning |
| [14:54:12] | stuarta: | what are you using? |
| [14:54:22] | stuarta: | dvb-t,s,c something else |
| [14:54:26] | kiru: | dvb-t |
| [14:54:48] | stuarta: | shouldn't take more than 20mins |
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| [15:10:14] | kiru: | is anything shown before the end of scanning? |
| [15:12:00] | stuarta: | should be |
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| [15:15:27] | kiru: | nothing has shown up in the last half hour o_o |
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| [15:20:21] | stuarta: | svn is building fine for me |
| [15:20:57] | kiru: | so.. if the channel search doesnt show up anything, my configuration will be broken? |
| [15:21:05] | kiru: | hm |
| [15:21:10] | kiru: | if clauses ;D |
| [15:21:30] | kiru: | so... when the channel search doesnt show up anything, my config is broken |
| [15:21:31] | kiru: | ? |
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| [15:43:53] | iamlindoro_: | Someone is not familiar with the temporal realities of IRC |
| [15:44:25] | iamlindoro_: | !trout ghost-of-kiru this-is-not-IM |
| [15:44:25] | ** MythLogBot slaps ghost-of-kiru with a this-is-not-IM trout on behalf of iamlindoro_... ** | |
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| [16:08:59] | iamlindoro_: | http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/ffmpeg-de . . . /062137.html |
| [16:09:05] | iamlindoro_: | Now *that* is productive. |
| [16:09:34] | ** JEDIDIAH__ wonders what will happen if he goes into the local Best Buy and asks them about their hop-hog stuff... ** | |
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| [16:15:28] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Thought about how to build the file list for the file browser when using storage groups vs. the local setting |
| [16:16:11] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: It occurred to me that since there is only one field to specify host in videometadata that applies to filename, coverart, fanart, banner, and screenshot, that each of those resources *must* exist on the same host |
| [16:16:58] | iamlindoro_: | so, more or less, if (metadata->Host() != "") then build the file list from Host(), and if Host is empty, build it from the local value |
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| [16:20:14] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: cool (but now, use if (!metadata->Host().isEmpty()) --or Erik H will have to submit a patch ;) |
| [16:20:27] | iamlindoro_: | heh |
| [16:20:40] | sphery: | but glad you've got a way to make it work |
| [16:20:48] | iamlindoro_: | I forsee problems with the way it is now, though |
| [16:20:53] | iamlindoro_: | needs more flexibility |
| [16:21:15] | iamlindoro_: | as needing to have all metadata for a given record exist on a single host isn't perfect |
| [16:21:30] | iamlindoro_: | would be nicer to be able to have images on host A, files on host B, etc. as the user likes |
| [16:21:40] | sphery: | Did you see scheduling, starttime accuracy on dev list? How in the world will the user who writes the "use online flagging info" code ever make it work without an NNTP server? |
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| [16:21:57] | iamlindoro_: | I saw it but haven't been following it |
| [16:22:12] | sphery: | Cap'n M's being the relevant post |
| [16:22:43] | sphery: | (I'm watching that thread because it's marked Red--Importatant/Danger) |
| [16:22:51] | iamlindoro_: | I think there needs to be a frontend accessible method for writing into an SG |
| [16:22:55] | sphery: | But it looks like they're going the right way with it. |
| [16:23:24] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: if only that lazy schmuck would write those SG move patches... |
| [16:23:56] | sphery: | and finish the channel icon patch (which will include a "hey, backend, download this channel icon from the 'net" function/command) |
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| [16:24:25] | sphery: | oh, and I mean me as the lazy schmuck... not cap'n m. |
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| [16:25:16] | iamlindoro_: | I was thinking about this last night-- You might drop a file into a network share that is your MythVideo Video SG |
| [16:25:26] | iamlindoro_: | but then you might go to your frontend only and pull metadata |
| [16:25:42] | iamlindoro_: | if you are using SGs only, then the d/l code needs a way to write into the metadata Storage Groups |
| [16:26:30] | sphery: | Yeah. That shouldn't be a problem once we have SG move code. |
| [16:26:40] | clever: | could make something the same as the file streaming code |
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| [16:27:18] | sphery: | And, for fanart/posters/... coming from the Internet, the backend could just download them itself. |
| [16:27:19] | iamlindoro_: | Yes, it would be the same as the file streaming code-- but it still needs to be written |
| [16:27:26] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Yes, that's the alternative |
| [16:27:43] | clever: | parts of the code could be shared |
| [16:27:45] | clever: | like the seek controls |
| [16:27:56] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: And ultimately it might make sense for that to be the case as I'd like to see the scheduler use the grabber code (ie like to see the grabber stuff moved into libs/ |
| [16:27:57] | iamlindoro_: | _ |
| [16:27:58] | iamlindoro_: | ) |
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| [16:30:45] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: When you come around, would love to get your opinion on all of the above-- I was thinking maybe it would make sense to drop the host field, and move it into each file field. ie filename = "Holmes:Television/Fringe/Fringe 1x01.mpg", coverart = "Moriarty:FringeCoverArt.png" etc. |
| [16:31:05] | iamlindoro_: | Then parse the SG name out of the field, allowing for multiple hosts to split up the SG duties at the user's discretion |
| [16:32:36] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: yeah, but even if the user is running tmdb.pl on the frontend, since it just gives the URI (it doesn't actually download), the frontend can give the URI to the backend to do the actual d/l |
| [16:32:54] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: yep |
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| [16:33:25] | kiru: | hello |
| [16:33:45] | kiru: | I made it finally to have a lot of channels |
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| [16:34:19] | kiru: | but in mythfrontend -> television the screen gets black and then i am back in the main menu |
| [16:34:31] | sphery: | wow, other than a lack of a link to the "Delete all" post, Mike H was a pretty good standing for me in (the second unrelated post) on Strange recording priority |
| [16:34:39] | kiru: | what next? |
| [16:34:47] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: the power of Mike I guess |
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| [16:36:23] | sphery: | kiru: make sure Storage Groups are properly configured, look at backend logs to make sure that the recording actually starts, look at backend/frontend logs to make sure that Myth can find the recording file (i.e which may involve proper file permissions if it's the frontend reading it--and that may involve properly sync uid/gid if using NFS) |
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| [16:37:30] | sphery: | kiru: and, if you previously had working channels, then added new channels and it doesn't work, I'd /highly/ recommend the Video Sources portion of http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 |
| [16:37:36] | sphery: | (speaking of the Delete All post) |
| [16:38:15] | kiru: | thx sphery |
| [16:39:58] | aBs0lut30: | can you guys take a look at this http://pastebin.com/m4c5e8792 and give me any suggestions? am trying to compile the latest trunk snapshot... ran make distclean and that didnt fix it so i nuked my trunk folder and checked out a 100% fresh copy and am still getting the error... |
| [16:43:39] | sphery: | aBs0lut30: rm -rf /usr/{,local/}lib/{mythtv,libmyth}* /usr/{,local/}include/mythtv/* |
| [16:43:49] | sphery: | with appropriate sudo/whatever |
| [16:45:20] | aBs0lut30: | humm, guess I will add that to my script to build for the next time... |
| [16:45:46] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: Was thinking maybe something like if (!coverart.startsWith("/"))..... (Parse out everything up to the colon here, and call it the SG hostname) |
| [16:46:16] | aBs0lut30: | sphery: thanks... |
| [16:47:56] | iamlindoro_: | Of course I guess that would confuse non-POSIX backends.... hmm. Wonder if it's worth worrying about Windows as a backend |
| [16:48:36] | ** iamlindoro_ wonders where everyone is today, and why he keeps talking to himself ** | |
| [16:48:38] | aBs0lut30: | Windows are for buildings, linux is for computing ;) |
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| [16:49:23] | Josh_Borke: | h |
| [16:49:25] | Josh_Borke: | jjj |
| [16:49:27] | Josh_Borke: | ~ |
| [16:49:29] | kormoc: | windows are slightly important in vehicles as well... |
| [16:49:37] | ** kormoc raises an eyebrow at Josh_Borke ** | |
| [16:49:39] | aBs0lut30: | true... forgot about that |
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| [16:53:26] | aBs0lut30: | kormoc: how about this, even a pebble can break windows, use linux instead ;0 |
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| [16:54:35] | kormoc: | aBs0lut30, sadly, pebbles can kill penguins as well :( |
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| [16:54:43] | _abbenormal: | lol |
| [16:54:50] | aBs0lut30: | yeah, but we dont have to tell them that ;) |
| [16:56:13] | sphery: | and look at what happens to Penguins when a helicopter flies overhead 8-| |
| [16:57:05] | aBs0lut30: | ok, but what about a titanium plated, nuclear powered penguin with lasers for eyes.... |
| [16:57:54] | kormoc: | that's cheating, cause then you'd need to also give help to windows to make it the same. Ion based energy shield devices in square form |
| [16:57:54] | gbee: | having a little fun – http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/image5553.png |
| [16:58:20] | meshe: | When trying to watch a recording last night the player would try to start and then would go back to the recordings list, this is what I got in my mythfrontend.log http://www.pastebin.ca/1336197 |
| [16:58:29] | meshe: | a reboot fixed it, any idea why it happened? |
| [16:58:34] | aBs0lut30: | gbee: cool |
| [16:58:39] | sphery: | gbee: nice... but how can you start a new theme when Terra's not yet complete? |
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| [16:59:01] | sphery: | gbee: (just a joke, the project stole Terra from you, so now you need one of your own :) |
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| [17:00:39] | gbee: | it's not really a new theme, not yet at least, just playing around :) |
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| [17:01:20] | aBs0lut30: | kormoc: windows already has ion based energy sheilds, its called windows defender HAHAHA |
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| [17:03:11] | Josh_Borke: | gpcyf |
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| [17:04:02] | gbee: | got carried away when trying out a couple of icon ideas (TV mostly), a the rest of that is really just a backdrop so I could see how they might look in situ |
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| [17:06:08] | meshe: | another question, we are upgrading from our old bubble tube tv to a 720p, i'm going to start by hooking it up with a standard monitor cable to the myth box but eventually i would like to go dvi to hdmi |
| [17:06:19] | meshe: | is there a big difference? |
| [17:06:29] | meshe: | is it hard to set up X for it? |
| [17:07:18] | kormoc: | I actually use VGA with my hdtv, as it overscans the DVI/HDMI and I don't want to lose that much of the screen |
| [17:07:58] | meshe: | vga seems the easiest to set up |
| [17:08:03] | gbee: | HDMI/DVI can make a HUGE difference over VGA, better image quality and colour range |
| [17:08:44] | gbee: | if you're TV isn't one of those which overscans HDMI, then I'd definately recommend it over VGA |
| [17:09:00] | meshe: | are the resolution settings the same for vga vs hdmi? |
| [17:09:34] | gbee: | generally not, at least in my experience |
| [17:10:37] | meshe: | i read that nvidia-settings will be able to get the settings from the tv over both vga and hdmi, so hopefully that will make it easier |
| [17:11:02] | meshe: | we are currently hooked up to our old tube tv over coposite, so even vga will make a world of difference |
| [17:11:05] | gbee: | HDMI is normally a narrower valid range but at least in my case HDMI allows you to use the higher, native res of the TV, whereas VGA didn't |
| [17:11:39] | meshe: | thanks for the info |
| [17:11:52] | JEDIDIAH__: | VGA ports on TV's are a mixed bag. Some allow for use of the panel's full native resolution and others done. |
| [17:12:28] | gbee: | difference between VGA and HDMI for me was night and day |
| [17:12:57] | gbee: | another plus is fewer cables |
| [17:13:10] | meshe: | it's < $20 for a dvi->hdmi cable so I'll pick one up after we move in |
| [17:15:18] | meshe: | how is it fewer cables? dvi doesn't carry audio, so you still need a separate audio cable |
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| [17:25:07] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: Was thinking maybe something like this to allow different parts of the same video record to exist on different hosts: http://rafb.net/p/oTxchW23.html |
| [17:25:12] | gbee: | assuming you use HDMI out instead of DVI |
| [17:25:28] | meshe: | ahh, right :) |
| [17:25:36] | iamlindoro_: | So all filenames would be SGHost:path/to/file.ext |
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| [17:36:40] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro__: different parts to be on different hosts? |
| [17:36:44] | GreyFoxx: | how do you mean ? |
| [17:37:15] | iamlindoro_: | coverart = "Holmes:/path/to/fomefile.png", filename = "Moriarty:/path/to/a.mpg" |
| [17:37:24] | iamlindoro_: | etc. etc. |
| [17:37:37] | GreyFoxx: | Ahhh |
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| [17:38:16] | iamlindoro_: | I've been talking at you for a few hours, when you get around to reading scrollback :) |
| [17:38:45] | AlmightyOatmeal: | env – /storage/mythrename.pl /storage --format "%T %- %S %- %Y-%m-%d" --link /storage/recordings/ still doesn't work in cron :'( |
| [17:38:47] | GreyFoxx: | It's been a very vusy day :) |
| [17:38:49] | GreyFoxx: | busy |
| [17:39:01] | iamlindoro_: | Totally understand, no rush, just mostly talking to myself with your name at the front :) |
| [17:39:11] | AlmightyOatmeal: | lol |
| [17:39:20] | ** GreyFoxx holds up a mirror ** | |
| [17:40:09] | ** AlmightyOatmeal bursts into flames ** | |
| [17:41:12] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: Anyway, seemed like it would make sense because I could theoretically see a situation where you would have the SG for images on one backend, and the files on another |
| [17:41:30] | iamlindoro_: | video files, that is |
| [17:45:06] | meshe: | AlmightyOatmeal: i think it's the % formatters, if you are putting that line directly in a cron cron can do wierd things to them |
| [17:45:26] | meshe: | check your cron log ie: /var/log/cron it will show you the command it tried to run |
| [17:45:42] | AlmightyOatmeal: | ah cheers |
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| [17:46:27] | AlmightyOatmeal: | meshe: Feb 13 11:05:01 localhost CROND[30350]: (mythtv) CMD (env – /storage/mythrename.pl /storage --format ") |
| [17:46:38] | meshe: | i would put that in a bash script, chmod 755 it and have the cron call the script |
| [17:46:41] | AlmightyOatmeal: | looks like you're right.. i need to turn that into a bash script and run it |
| [17:46:46] | meshe: | yeah, it stripped the formatters |
| [17:47:06] | meshe: | had that happen before when using date's formatters |
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| [17:52:04] | AlmightyOatmeal: | meshe: should i just call the script or do a 'env – ' before it? |
| [17:52:42] | AlmightyOatmeal: | i guess i'll find out in 13 minutes if it works :P |
| [17:52:53] | sphery: | gbee: too bad you're not in the US... http://www.newegg.com/special/shellshocker.aspx (400W 80 PLUS PSU for $29.99 after $20 mail-in-rebate). |
| [17:55:07] | gbee: | heh |
| [18:00:57] | sphery: | gbee: And, it's official... The 80 PLUS PSU's are saving me money... From 3.624kWh/day (151W avg) to 3.126kWh/day (130.25W average) for my master backend alone. |
| [18:02:12] | sphery: | So, for anyone else in the channel who runs their master backend 24/7 and who's looking to save ~15kWh/mo, you may want to consider getting an 80 PLUS PSU (like: http://www.newegg.com/special/shellshocker.aspx ) |
| [18:03:54] | GreyFoxx: | sphery: How does it save on power draw ? |
| [18:04:11] | sphery: | It's more efficient at AC->DC conversion |
| [18:04:31] | GreyFoxx: | I've got at lesat 3 servers running 24/7 |
| [18:04:42] | GreyFoxx: | so that could a significant difference :) |
| [18:04:53] | sphery: | My previous PSU was a Raidmax that was rated "up to 80%" efficient (which means its /peak/ efficiency--usually around 80% load is about 80%). |
| [18:04:57] | GreyFoxx: | assuming newegg.ca has em too |
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| [18:05:24] | sphery: | I just put in an Antec Earthwatt EA430D, which is "guaranteed >80% efficient at /all/ loads". |
| [18:05:39] | sphery: | I've been measuring with a Kill-A-Watt, so it's real power draw. |
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| [18:05:54] | GreyFoxx: | nice |
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| [18:06:36] | sphery: | there are also 80 PLUS Bronze and Silver certified PSU's with higher efficiency, but those tend to be /very/ large (1kW or greater) PSU's and you generally pay a /lot/ for them, so the extra efficiency won't save enough to cover the cost. |
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| [18:06:48] | sphery: | But if you find a good deal on one (or if you need multiple kW...) |
| [18:06:59] | sphery: | BTW, http://80plus.org/ |
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| [18:07:03] | GreyFoxx: | All of my current power supplies are enermax, off have no idea what model |
| [18:07:14] | AlmightyOatmeal: | sphery: that looks like a geriatric pr0n site :'( |
| [18:07:31] | sphery: | AlmightyOatmeal: no, that's 80plus.com |
| [18:07:39] | sphery: | I mean.. I have no idea what you're talking about |
| [18:07:43] | AlmightyOatmeal: | eww. |
| [18:07:54] | sphery: | but, it wouldn't be too generic... Seems a /very/ specific taste. |
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| [18:10:10] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: newegg (at least the US site) actually has 80 PLUS/Bronze/Silver certified as search criteria for PSU's, too |
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| [18:11:02] | sphery: | Oh, and 80 PLUS only requires the 80%+ efficiency at loads from 20% to 100% (the EA430D goes beyond that) |
| [18:12:57] | GreyFoxx: | Does it have a specific rated effiency ? I don't see one listed anywhere |
| [18:13:10] | sphery: | Hmmm... Much more useful than the 80 PLUS site: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/80_PLUS |
| [18:13:14] | sphery: | You mean that Corsair? |
| [18:13:17] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [18:13:30] | sphery: | I didn't look... I took the 80 PLUS as good enough for me. |
| [18:13:57] | sphery: | (Oh, and Enermax makes quite a few 80 PLUS PSU's, so might want to check the efficiency of yours before buying) |
| [18:14:11] | ** sid3windr licks his ZM600 ** | |
| [18:14:28] | sphery: | I'm looking up info on the corsair |
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| [18:16:00] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: Wrote an e-mail to -dev that congeals my thoughts on the SG stuff, I would love to know what you think when you have a free minute |
| [18:16:41] | sphery: | Hmmm. Even their product page isn't too helpful. http://www.corsair.com/products/cx/default.aspx |
| [18:17:54] | meshe: | cool sphery, my husband's corsair is 83% |
| [18:18:24] | sphery: | did you find a site that lists specific efficiency of models? |
| [18:18:32] | sphery: | (or at least the cx400w?) |
| [18:18:34] | meshe: | 80plus.org |
| [18:18:51] | meshe: | http://80plus.org/manu/psu/psu_detail.aspx?id=25&type=2 |
| [18:19:13] | sphery: | nice... |
| [18:19:20] | sphery: | didn't know they had their test results there... |
| [18:19:30] | GreyFoxx: | sweet |
| [18:19:31] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: meshe to the rescue... 83.54% |
| [18:19:35] | meshe: | my husband's gaming machine has a 750TX |
| [18:19:36] | sphery: | (typical) |
| [18:19:40] | GreyFoxx: | thanks :) |
| [18:20:12] | sphery: | oh, noes!... My EA-430D is 84.78%... |
| [18:20:18] | sphery: | How much extra is that going to cost me? |
| [18:20:41] | sphery: | I lose 1.24% efficiency on my new Corsair I just purchased |
| [18:20:51] | sphery: | (of course, it's for a different computer :) |
| [18:20:55] | gbee: | I noticed that there are 90% efficient PSUs entering the market too |
| [18:21:03] | meshe: | wow |
| [18:21:16] | sphery: | Yeah, there's an 80 PLUS Gold, but I haven't actually seen any PSU's that reach that. |
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| [18:21:39] | GreyFoxx: | Wish I knew what model enermaxs I have in use now |
| [18:22:05] | sphery: | gold = 87%@20%load, 90%@50%load, 87%@100%load |
| [18:22:33] | sphery: | My laziness (not putting the case sides on the majority of my systems) makes it easy to find out. |
| [18:22:49] | sphery: | silver = 85/88/85 |
| [18:23:03] | sphery: | bronze = 82/85/82 |
| [18:23:17] | sphery: | and 80 PLUS = 80/80/80 |
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| [18:24:33] | ** sphery vows to never buy a non-80-PLUS PSU ever again ** | |
| [18:24:55] | sphery: | Now to measure the consumption while SETI@home is running, then I'll post results to the list |
| [18:25:03] | iamlindoro_: | Thanks. Maybe my children won't live in domes after all |
| [18:26:12] | sphery: | But it worked so well for Pauly Shore... |
| [18:27:04] | iamlindoro_: | Was just thinking about SG's with write capability |
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| [18:27:18] | iamlindoro_: | would also allow "stream everything back to master backend" |
| [18:27:29] | sphery: | if you keep thinking enough, you might just write the patch before I get around to it |
| [18:27:32] | iamlindoro_: | Which I would totally use |
| [18:27:40] | janneg: | there is a externel/internal psu for shuttle xpc that has alledgly >90% efficiency |
| [18:27:43] | janneg: | http://eu.shuttle.com/pt/DesktopDefault.aspx/ . . . _read-14709/ |
| [18:28:00] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: This SG stuff makes me so confused there's just no way I'd get there before you :) |
| [18:30:06] | sphery: | janneg: yeah, that looks good... It may actually make GOLD when they test it (not listed, yet, on 80 PLUS website: http://80plus.org/manu/psu/psu_detail.aspx?id=63&type=2 ) |
| [18:33:46] | dubstar_04: | has anyone experienced skipping when using a remote? |
| [18:34:09] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if i bought mine before the whole 80Plus thing... it doesnt seem to be rated |
| [18:34:22] | wagnerrp: | dubstar_04: as in the video skips? |
| [18:34:46] | dubstar_04: | when i use a keyboard to navigate myth its smooth but if i use an mceusb remote its jerky |
| [18:34:59] | dubstar_04: | both video and menus |
| [18:35:05] | Dagmar: | *what* is jerky |
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| [18:35:27] | Dagmar: | If the whole machine's acting laggy, then you've got a problem with your IR reciever |
| [18:35:30] | sphery: | wagnerrp: they only list the ones that actually achieve certification |
| [18:35:52] | dubstar_04: | dagmar: it happens using one of 3 |
| [18:35:54] | sphery: | I have a bunch of PSU's that I bought long after 80 PLUS came about that aren't listed--because they're not efficient enough |
| [18:36:01] | Dagmar: | one of three what |
| [18:36:16] | dubstar_04: | i have 3 recievers so i tried them all |
| [18:36:24] | Dagmar: | sphery: Conclusion unsupported by premises |
| [18:36:37] | Dagmar: | dubstar_04: So the one it malfunctions with it broken. Toss it |
| [18:36:42] | dubstar_04: | its worse on an older machine |
| [18:36:56] | sphery: | Dagmar: what do you mean? |
| [18:36:59] | olejl1: | I have been trying to use dvbsnoop to locate eepg data from Showtimearabia. After following a trial I ended up on PID 515 which seem to transmit some data. dvbsnoop tells me it is TableID=c7, and is not able to decode it. After searching it looks like tid==c7 is something called MGT. Does it sound like I am on the correct trail? |
| [18:37:03] | Dagmar: | sphery: It's possible (although unlikely) the things might be efficent enough, but that their manufacturer didn't care or didn't have the money to have them certfieid |
| [18:37:28] | sphery: | well, I happen to know which PSU's I have and they're not efficient enough :) |
| [18:38:01] | wagnerrp: | well mine is rated at 'up to 85%' |
| [18:38:11] | wagnerrp: | i guess it drops too low at low power |
| [18:38:19] | sphery: | that's possible |
| [18:38:29] | sphery: | or, it might not have been certified, either |
| [18:38:35] | wagnerrp: | or that |
| [18:38:45] | Dagmar: | olejl1: http://www.freepatentsonline.com/EP1447982.html |
| [18:39:04] | dubstar_04: | could the 'jerkyness' be an issue with lirc? |
| [18:39:20] | Dagmar: | olejl1: Although http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client . . . ;btnG=Search might be more useful to you since it's got several hits on that |
| [18:39:31] | Dagmar: | dubstar_04: Why would you think that |
| [18:39:43] | Dagmar: | dubstar_04: You just said you have three recievers, and only one causes the problem. |
| [18:39:52] | dubstar_04: | because its really smooth with a keyboard |
| [18:39:54] | Dagmar: | If they're identical recievers, this is a no-brainer. It's the one that makes things lag that is broken |
| [18:40:00] | sphery: | though the manufacturer doesn't pay for certification... 80plus (a non-profit funded by electric utlities and industry) just tests them... |
| [18:40:03] | wagnerrp: | i really need to figure out how to get mine to stop auto-loading the module in debug mode |
| [18:40:13] | sphery: | but they may not have gotten around to testing that one |
| [18:40:16] | dubstar_04: | all three produce the same effect |
| [18:40:16] | Dagmar: | sphery: Seriously? |
| [18:40:20] | sphery: | yep |
| [18:40:23] | Dagmar: | bizarre |
| [18:40:55] | wagnerrp: | well mine (antec neo-he) is an older supply, looks like theyve only been certifying their newer supplies |
| [18:41:06] | sphery: | they're doing it to be all green and save the environment... their levels are 80 PLUS (="Climate Savers 1") through 80 PLUS Gold ("Climate Savers 4") |
| [18:41:13] | dubstar_04: | I have tried all combinations of remotes and recievers with batteries left out overnight and everything |
| [18:41:18] | Dagmar: | So what was "<dubstar_04> dagmar: it happens using one of 3" in reference to? |
| [18:41:53] | dubstar_04: | i meant anyone of 3 |
| [18:42:17] | Dagmar: | So make sure LIRC is configured correctly. |
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| [18:43:36] | Dibblah: | I have a PSU here, that if I plug in the bling lighted fans, the draw-from-the-wall goes _down_. |
| [18:44:03] | Dibblah: | This is admittedly with a low-power motherboard on an excessively cheap PSU. |
| [18:44:28] | wagnerrp: | uses less power when you plug in a fan? |
| [18:45:08] | dubstar_04: | http://www.silentpcreview.com/article241-page1.html |
| [18:45:13] | Dibblah: | ... Due to bad efficiency at low load, yes. |
| [18:45:13] | dubstar_04: | this is my psu |
| [18:47:58] | wagnerrp: | i could probably disconnect the fan in my PSU with no ill effect |
| [18:49:03] | wagnerrp: | the case has a big hulking 120x38mm already forcing air through it |
| [18:49:09] | Dagmar: | Until the triac fails |
| [18:49:32] | Dagmar: | I'd just replace it or add a resistor to slow it down |
| [18:50:10] | wagnerrp: | the only thing i hear out of my case are the graphics fans anyway |
| [18:50:40] | wagnerrp: | of course i dont even hear those when the server next to it is running |
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| [18:55:16] | dubstar_04: | I managed to find a solution to the skipping |
| [18:55:25] | dubstar_04: | see here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1013688 |
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| [18:58:21] | wagnerrp: | ah the fools running mythtv within gnome... |
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| [18:59:33] | Dagmar: | Weird. |
| [18:59:44] | Dagmar: | They shouldn't need to poke that process at all as far as I know |
| [19:00:02] | Dagmar: | Oh well. |
| [19:00:03] | wagnerrp: | i dont see why it would even be enabled |
| [19:00:10] | Dagmar: | Because they're being thick |
| [19:00:33] | Dagmar: | It should just flat out be disabled while MythTV is running. |
| [19:01:11] | Dagmar: | They're probably counting on X to keep flagging the machine as active while a video is playing |
| [19:01:51] | wagnerrp: | i might understand using DPMS, but not a screen saver |
| [19:02:05] | wagnerrp: | and DPMS can be handled entirely within X |
| [19:02:44] | dubstar_04: | I just installed mythbuntu and had an issue, and that was the solution |
| [19:02:48] | wagnerrp: | although i discovered my TV doesnt support DPMS, the backlight stays on |
| [19:03:03] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: The thread is full of "specialness |
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| [19:07:41] | Dagmar: | "Myth might not be playing video for long periods especially where used in a Home Theatre configuration; therefore it would not be a good idea to disable the screen-saver completely. |
| [19:08:08] | Dagmar: | Seems to me it would be a better idea to simply turn the video *off* |
| [19:08:45] | Dagmar: | Even give the display a chance to realize it should power down if video has been blank long enough |
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| [19:09:26] | clever: | my nvidia will disable the composite signal when it goes into a dpms sleep |
| [19:09:34] | clever: | and the tv will shut off after 10mins without a signla |
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| [19:14:57] | sledgeSRV: | hi i am thinking of installing mythtv and have a few questions first is it linux only or does it also run on windows?? also what are the system requirements for x264 hd playback?? |
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| [19:17:31] | KungFuJesus: | Hello, so is there anyway to force jobs like commercial skip to a separate backend? |
| [19:18:02] | wagnerrp: | you can make it so certain jobs only run on certain machines |
| [19:18:15] | wagnerrp: | you can also make it so certain jobs only run on the machine they were recorded on |
| [19:18:36] | wagnerrp: | but you cannot force a specific job to run on a specific machine |
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| [19:19:43] | wagnerrp: | seems the first ION devices are due in this spring |
| [19:22:40] | KungFuJesus: | wagnerrp: how would I do the first thing |
| [19:23:06] | wagnerrp: | in mythtv-setup i believe |
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| [19:23:53] | wagnerrp: | the setting decides whether one backend is allowed to run commflagging jobs |
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| [19:32:17] | KungFuJesus: | oh ok, w0rd |
| [19:33:04] | KungFuJesus: | there should be an option to make commercial flagging only run on backends that aren't frontends watching video :-p |
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| [19:47:51] | olejl: | I' still struggling to understand my EEPG data... |
| [19:48:39] | olejl: | it seems like I have Master Guide Table on PID 515 |
| [19:49:37] | olejl: | only standard I can find is ATSC A/65C which is for DVB-T. I'm using DVB-S, and don't know if that make any difference |
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| [19:50:39] | olejl: | but the data I capture with dvbsnoop has similarities with the above standard, but I cant make it fully match. Does anyone know if it is a similar standard for dvb-s? |
| [19:53:01] | justinh: | DVB & standards... hahahahahahahahaha. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| [19:53:03] | justinh: | HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| [19:53:12] | justinh: | HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| [19:53:38] | iamlindoro_: | It'd be terrifying if ATSC standard did somehow apply to DVB-T |
| [19:53:43] | iamlindoro_: | (It does not) |
| [19:53:52] | justinh: | seemingly lots of broadcasters have interpreted the 'standards' different ways |
| [19:54:47] | olejl: | sorry if I'm ignorant, but I'm trying to understand, and it is confusing |
| [19:54:58] | justinh: | it is indeed confusing |
| [19:55:21] | justinh: | nobody knows why broadcasters choose to put their own stuff on top of the standards... but they do anyway |
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| [19:59:02] | olejl: | so I understand I can keep myself busy for some time trying to figure this out... |
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| [20:00:14] | olejl: | but something has to match up somehow somewhere because it is working with my Humax dvb-s receiver |
| [20:02:10] | justinh: | oh, they can do all sorts with custom software |
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| [20:13:43] | justinh: | bloody hell. how many "now that's what I call music 1988" have there been? |
| [20:14:14] | kormoc: | one thousand, nine hundred, and eighty eight? |
| [20:14:26] | iamlindoro_: | x too many where x = as many as there are? |
| [20:14:40] | cva: | I'm trying to change the default quality for DVD imports from ISO to Perfect. So far, I've not found where to change this. I know the value should be "0" rather than "-1" for RIP_QUALITIES, and I would think it would be in the settings table, but I don't see a table for it. |
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| [20:15:29] | iamlindoro_: | Anyone know a snappy way to prepend a text string on every value in SQL column? |
| [20:15:58] | iamlindoro_: | ie prepend abc before everything in column "foo" |
| [20:16:02] | kormoc: | UPDATE table SET column = CONCAT('text string', column); |
| [20:16:09] | iamlindoro_: | nice, thanks! |
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| [20:19:51] | iamlindoro_: | Heh, I should have thought that through |
| [20:20:10] | iamlindoro_: | should have asked how to do it and exclude the null fields |
| [20:21:30] | kormoc: | WHERE column IS NOT NULL ;) |
| [20:22:01] | iamlindoro_: | thanks :) |
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| [20:28:36] | iamlindoro_: | HOLY off-topic cow: http://www.tmz.com/2009/02/12/octomom-it-was-a-very-goodyear |
| [20:32:07] | laga: | i'm sick of hearing about that lady |
| [20:32:30] | iamlindoro_: | She genuinely ill, I feel sorry for the whole lot |
| [20:32:33] | iamlindoro_: | er she's |
| [20:32:33] | justinh: | lady? she no lady! |
| [20:33:16] | justinh: | heh. musicbrainz is slow tonight. everybody must be sitting at home entering new releases |
| [20:34:00] | cva: | Is there somewhere else I should be looking for the default rip quality settings? |
| [20:35:20] | justinh: | yeah, in mythfrontend's settings pages. dvd settings |
| [20:35:24] | justinh: | rip settings |
| [20:35:26] | justinh: | dada |
| [20:35:49] | cva: | Yeah, but there isn't a setting for rip quality there |
| [20:36:39] | cva: | Since I'm importing my entire collection, I'm trying to make it so I have to change as few settings as posssible. |
| [20:37:33] | cva: | I just haven't found where, while ripping, mtd is told the rip quality. |
| [20:37:58] | justinh: | hrm |
| [20:38:10] | justinh: | what is the default rip quality setting you have to change from? |
| [20:38:16] | justinh: | might be in the database |
| [20:38:17] | justinh: | :) |
| [20:38:19] | cva: | http://miffteevee.co.uk/documentation/develop . . . up__mtd.html |
| [20:39:39] | cva: | I'm prefer to rip to a vob rather than an iso. In order to do so, mtd needs to be told to use rip quality "0", but defaults to "-1". I've been through the settings table and haven't found where it is setting that value. |
| [20:40:11] | justinh: | hmm. just use something else then :) |
| [20:40:17] | cva: | My assumption is that it may not be passing a value to mtd, so it defaults to iso. |
| [20:40:24] | Dagmar: | Not to be mean, but ripping to vob is wrong. |
| [20:40:30] | Dagmar: | Wrong wrong wrong. |
| [20:40:41] | justinh: | in your opinion :) |
| [20:40:50] | Dagmar: | My opinion and fact agree. |
| [20:40:51] | cva: | Dagmar: what ywould you suggest instead? |
| [20:41:00] | gbee: | ISO |
| [20:41:02] | Dagmar: | .vob is a representation of a video track on a DVD. |
| [20:41:06] | Dagmar: | It's not a format, per se. |
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| [20:41:35] | Dagmar: | An "iso" at least has the benefit of being understood to be a direct image of the media |
| [20:41:45] | Dagmar: | That .vob file is an mpeg file. |
| [20:41:48] | gbee: | cva: doesn't look like a setting for the default rip quality exists, no-one submitted a patch |
| [20:42:03] | cva: | gbee: Thanks |
| [20:42:08] | Dagmar: | There's no "setting" for ripping your vob file, because it's just copying the file without doing anything to it. |
| [20:42:30] | justinh: | Dagmar: yeah but the default for the ripper is to transcode it |
| [20:42:36] | cva: | Which is what I want. Just a lossless copy. |
| [20:42:41] | Dagmar: | The only time a setting would matter is when someone transcodes that file to recompress it smaller. |
| [20:42:50] | Dagmar: | justinh: Transcode it to what tho |
| [20:42:58] | justinh: | I dunno. whatever |
| [20:43:01] | Dagmar: | heh |
| [20:43:05] | cva: | Right and I'm not transcoding my files. |
| [20:43:05] | justinh: | according to the profiles |
| [20:43:15] | justinh: | cva: fwiw just use something else |
| [20:43:27] | justinh: | won't tie up a perfectly good myth box that way either |
| [20:44:26] | justinh: | mythtv is great at a lot of things. handling optical media.. that's something you generally need to be sitting in front of a monitor to do if you want to have any kind of assurance it's gonna go ok (IMHO) |
| [20:44:27] | cva: | Well, an iso does play fine on a mythtv system, but if I move the file to a different system, what do you play it with? |
| [20:44:43] | iamlindoro_: | Most media players will play an ISO |
| [20:44:52] | iamlindoro_: | othewise, mount the ISO as a disk image and play as a normal DVD |
| [20:45:28] | justinh: | cva: what I mean is to rip the discs outside mythtv |
| [20:45:40] | cva: | Well, then, thankfully I haven't gotten through but about 40 DVDs so far, so I guess I'll switch to using SIO then. |
| [20:45:59] | justinh: | without patching the code it's the only way to avoid having to manually select 'perfect' every time |
| [20:46:28] | cva: | justinh: Why? My I have multiple frontends that I can use to import from while working. |
| [20:46:29] | Dagmar: | cva: Generally you mount the iso with DaemonTools or something and then "whatever" will play it like it were an actual disc |
| [20:47:01] | justinh: | cva: you were just asking if there was a way you could set the 'default' to what you want cos you're sick of changing it on every disc |
| [20:47:16] | Dagmar: | Considering doing a straight image of the disc will for sure preserve the track/menu information, it'll be best to go with that until you've got your hands on a _good_ ripper |
| [20:47:17] | cva: | Gotcha. |
| [20:47:44] | Dagmar: | Doing a rip/transcode of a DVD isn't as straightforward as it would be in an ideal world. |
| [20:47:51] | justinh: | does linux have an equivalent to dvdshrink yet.. that doesn't suck I mean |
| [20:48:03] | laga: | k9copy? |
| [20:48:05] | cva: | I'm not one to watch any extra features on the disc. I just want the movie itself. |
| [20:48:08] | Dagmar: | justinh: Provided someone wants to wade through the transocde docs? Suuuure. ;) |
| [20:48:15] | cva: | So the menus are wortheless to me. |
| [20:48:27] | justinh: | kde apps suck on gnome systems IME. suck, as in crash lots |
| [20:48:41] | Dagmar: | cva: See, there's where the fun is. You've usually got to have a human pick through the menus to figure out which "vob file" actually contains the movie |
| [20:48:54] | justinh: | k9copy filled my terminal with crud for yards without every doing anything |
| [20:48:57] | justinh: | *ever |
| [20:49:30] | cva: | Actually, the import feature has been correct each time for video. I can't say the same for the audio portion though. ;) |
| [20:49:44] | justinh: | it's almost bad enough to make me want to switch desktops :P |
| [20:49:51] | justinh: | coincidence? ;) |
| [20:50:11] | gbee: | Dagmar: largest vob is pretty much always the main title |
| [20:50:31] | justinh: | or three. or four vobs. ymmv |
| [20:50:46] | cva: | Yep, though I did have it select a 4:3 version once rather than the 16:9 |
| [20:50:50] | gbee: | yeah, but then the naming allows linking |
| [20:51:24] | justinh: | better to mux the files together than let mythvideo switch between them in my experience |
| [20:51:40] | justinh: | I tried that way once. pretty long gaps between parts :( |
| [20:52:08] | justinh: | compared to say.. a layer change. not seamless, but it's like the player starts up new for every file |
| [20:52:34] | justinh: | only way around it would be to get a big fat debugging hat on & find out why it takes so long to start playing video |
| [20:52:53] | justinh: | long, as in ooo a few seconds |
| [20:53:02] | cva: | justinh: TO go a bit off topic, do you have a suggestion for muxing multiple disc together? ie LOTR where the movie spans two disc? |
| [20:53:31] | justinh: | nope |
| [20:53:43] | justinh: | does it really though? jees |
| [20:53:47] | iamlindoro_: | cat 1.vob+2.vob > 3.vob && ffmpeg -i 3.vob -acodec copy -vcodec copy 4.vob |
| [20:53:56] | cva: | The extended version does. |
| [20:54:09] | cva: | iamlindoro_: Thanks, I'll give it a go. |
| [20:54:12] | justinh: | wonders will never cease |
| [20:54:23] | iamlindoro_: | YMMV |
| [20:54:41] | justinh: | no doubt there's gonna be a super duper extended remix version on bluray one day. 10 hours+ :P |
| [20:55:00] | iamlindoro_: | I can't stand one hour of those movies let alone umpteen thousand |
| [20:55:07] | justinh: | then an 11 hour one, no extra footage just slower cos the fans will buy anything with LOTR on it |
| [20:55:22] | iamlindoro_: | But... but... it came with an ent figurine!!! |
| [20:56:01] | ** cva is not a LOTR fanboy ** | |
| [20:56:22] | justinh: | I saw half of one film.. can't remember which one. then I fell asleep |
| [20:56:42] | AndyCap: | iamlindoro_: you mean a dried twig? :P |
| [20:57:07] | iamlindoro_: | !trout AndyCap +2-trout-of-bashing |
| [20:57:07] | ** MythLogBot slaps AndyCap with a +2-trout-of-bashing trout on behalf of iamlindoro_... ** | |
| [20:57:08] | justinh: | I heard I missed a bunch of lesbian scenes in Starship Troopers cos I only watched the 1st disc too... but then people will say anything these days |
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| [20:58:13] | kormoc: | Lesbian Scenes? You guys get all the good editions... |
| [20:58:15] | ** gbee doesn't remember lesbian scenes in Starship Troopers ** | |
| [20:58:31] | cva: | it was on the second disc ;) |
| [20:58:43] | ** gbee is pretty sure he'd remember too ** | |
| [20:58:49] | cva: | Unfortunately my copy is only one disc |
| [21:00:10] | iamlindoro_: | Pretty sure it was the adult version, "Starship Fluffers" |
| [21:00:12] | AndyCap: | you should see the laserdisc criteron collection edition. |
| [21:02:06] | wagnerrp: | i remember a group shower scene |
| [21:02:19] | wagnerrp: | but it wasnt particularly lesbian, or even sexual in nature |
| [21:02:36] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [21:02:37] | kormoc: | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120201/alternateversions |
| [21:02:44] | kormoc: | they don't claim this exists as well |
| [21:02:46] | iamlindoro_: | Charlie Sheen's ex is the hotter one of the chicks and she doesn't even strip |
| [21:02:47] | wagnerrp: | more just a military shower scene, and apparently gender doesnt matter in the future |
| [21:03:16] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: don't ask, don't tell. |
| [21:04:10] | laga: | AndyCap: just watch? |
| [21:04:28] | AndyCap: | :P |
| [21:07:00] | wagnerrp: | here we go, about 29 minutes in |
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| [21:08:27] | wagnerrp: | seems to be an excessive amount of man ass in that scene |
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| [21:09:13] | wagnerrp: | its really pointlessly gratuitous... almost as pointless as doc holiday |
| [21:09:39] | wagnerrp: | i dont seem to have that one ripped... |
| [21:09:46] | wagnerrp: | i should get back to ripping |
| [21:09:58] | wagnerrp: | theres about 100 DVDs in the jukebox that arent part of mythvideo |
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| [21:19:59] | meshe: | need a robot dvd loader by the sounds of it |
| [21:20:51] | wagnerrp: | sadly the carousel is just a player, not a firewire drive as has been discussed in here as of late |
| [21:21:22] | meshe: | my husband started ripping our 300+ dvd collection, we now need a new drive in our myth box |
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| [21:21:46] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i was down to ~100GB on my array |
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| [21:21:53] | wagnerrp: | but i just added another 750GB drive |
| [21:22:02] | wagnerrp: | speaking of which... the expansion should be about done by now |
| [21:22:14] | wagnerrp: | nope... 82% |
| [21:22:27] | meshe: | i'm going to need to either start buying 1.5TB drives or get a sata card |
| [21:22:53] | meshe: | i think the former is more likely |
| [21:23:08] | iamlindoro_: | Do they make the .15s in PATA? |
| [21:23:08] | wagnerrp: | yeah, ive got all four onboard ports filled, plus another 10 on a 12-port card |
| [21:23:10] | iamlindoro_: | er 1.5 |
| [21:23:27] | iamlindoro_: | oh, I see what you meant |
| [21:23:27] | meshe: | nice |
| [21:23:49] | AndyCap: | didn't pata get left behind around 500GB? |
| [21:24:00] | wagnerrp: | i know you can still get PATA TB drives |
| [21:24:02] | meshe: | i think the cheapo mobo that's in my myth box only has 2 sata ports |
| [21:24:04] | wagnerrp: | dont know about the 1.5s |
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| [21:24:17] | iamlindoro_: | Yeah, she meant replacing existing ones, or getting more SATA ports |
| [21:24:26] | iamlindoro_: | I thought she meant not having any in the first place, my bad |
| [21:24:57] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: remember who makes them? |
| [21:26:13] | wagnerrp: | i thought it was seagate, but newegg doesnt carry any over 500GB |
| [21:27:07] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, they carry almost 3x the scsi drives than they do IDE |
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| [21:29:38] | wagnerrp: | well i know my old roommate bought a 1TB PATA |
| [21:29:45] | AndyCap: | hmm, maybe WD, they don't have any horse in the scsi race |
| [21:29:50] | wagnerrp: | but that was like 2 years ago, when they first came out |
| [21:32:13] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: Did you have any insight on why the scan in Storage groups is not working at all for me? Known issue? |
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| [21:38:46] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: Also, have about 80% of a patch done to use hostnames in the filename field the way I was talking about earlier, but I'd like to know what you think/if you prefer something else before I do anything with it |
| [21:38:59] | iamlindoro_: | As I'd likely need your help in figuring out the scan part of the code |
| [21:40:47] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro__: Document the code as you go along if you need that kind of help. |
| [21:40:56] | Dagmar: | If the code were documented worth a damn this would be less onerous a task |
| [21:41:16] | Dagmar: | ...just no one get the idea that I'm calling MythTV out as any less documented than any other open-source project. |
| [21:41:32] | Dagmar: | *Most* of the projects aren't properly documented for crap. |
| [21:41:47] | Dagmar: | That Myth has *some* comments in the code at all puts it ahead of many others. |
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| [22:06:21] | gbee: | one school of thought says that only bad code need comments, because good code should be easy to follow without them |
| [22:07:06] | Dagmar: | Yeah but only seldom are new programmers (i.e., those without 10 years experience) able to correctly judge what is "good code" |
| [22:07:35] | gbee: | which is then supported by the fact that Java apps usually have twice the number of comments than any other language |
| [22:07:35] | Dagmar: | If you get lobbed into the middle of some commercial project with poor documentation you learn REAL fast what kinds of things need to be documented |
| [22:08:03] | Dagmar: | "Write once, puzzle over everywhere" |
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| [22:09:34] | sphery: | gbee: Therefore, comments that describe /what/ the code does are useless (because what it does should be obvious from the code itself)... Comments should describe /why/ it does what it does. |
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| [22:10:11] | Dagmar: | Yeah well, one person's idea of readable is not always rational |
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| [22:10:35] | sphery: | (And, yeah, I realize that someone who doesn't know the language, i.e. C++, won't understand /what/ it does, but likewise, someone who doesn't speak English won't understand an English-language translation of the comments, so if you're writing what, you better be prepared to translate all your comments to other languages ;). |
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| [22:10:45] | Dagmar: | ...and if you don't document what the stanza is supposed to do, people hunting bugs get to infer what it's supposed to do based on whatever bugs were coded into it. |
| [22:11:09] | sphery: | But, yeah, a lot of people tend to write code that's not very readable/maintainable without realizing it. |
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| [22:11:16] | gbee: | if you don't understand the language, then comments really aren't going to help as much as you might think |
| [22:11:32] | Dagmar: | If you document _what_ code is supposed to do (as well as why) then they can look at the comments and go "Oh... well that's not what this code actually does." |
| [22:11:34] | sphery: | the answer isn't saying what it does, but fixing the code to be readable/maintainable |
| [22:12:04] | sphery: | Dagmar: if you write the code so it does what it's supposed to do, that's not a problem, either... :) |
| [22:12:14] | gbee: | learning the language will open up the code like nothing else, there are few parts of MythTV that I can't find my way around and which really have me scratching my head |
| [22:12:18] | Dagmar: | Then you have no bugs and therefore no reason for someone to look at the code. |
| [22:12:33] | sphery: | enhancements :) |
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| [22:13:27] | Dagmar: | Plus if you ever intend to break that code out as an API you might as well document what it does while you write it |
| [22:13:34] | iamlindoro__: | I am proud that most of my tickets are type e :) |
| [22:14:10] | gbee: | no Dagmar has a point, comments are not entirely pointless, documenting the bits which might behave strangely or contrary to expectation, those which depend on information or factors which aren't available in the immediate body of code etc, that's when comments are useful |
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| [22:14:28] | sphery: | In the time zone code I wrote--which had more "bugs" than any other code I've written that's been incorporated into Myth--all the "bugs" were simply that the code wasn't written to support some configuration that the user had (i.e. broken distros using invalid time zone names with spaces, people using NIS-format /etc/timezone files, ...) |
| [22:14:38] | Dagmar: | I've been coding for um... 18 years or so. |
| [22:14:52] | Dagmar: | I've had plenty of time to suffer from my own (and others') short-sightedness. |
| [22:15:02] | sphery: | And, there's no way I would have thought to write a comment that says, "This code does not support <some broken configuration I don't know exists in the real world>" :) |
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| [22:15:32] | Dagmar: | I've written some comments like that. |
| [22:15:44] | gbee: | intent of a method, a variable, a class should be clear from it's name, which is one reason I really detest the shorthand naming that some people adopt |
| [22:15:48] | sphery: | how did you know what broken configuration to mention? |
| [22:15:52] | AndyCap: | Dagmar: I bet after running across the brokennes.. |
| [22:15:54] | Dagmar: | Mainly to document some filters for medical conditions which can't possibly exist and which had crept into the data |
| [22:16:02] | sphery: | if I knew about the broken configuration before hand, I would have written the code to support it |
| [22:16:03] | Dagmar: | ...like 80 year old women *don't* get priapisms. |
| [22:16:08] | gbee: | calling a string 's' or 'str' is meaningless |
| [22:16:29] | AndyCap: | Dagmar: yeah, thanks for that mental image |
| [22:16:33] | sphery: | Oh, so after you found the unsupported configuration, you documented that it was unsupported. |
| [22:16:45] | sphery: | I just fixed the code to handle them. |
| [22:16:48] | Dagmar: | AndyCap: I'm citing an actual records malfunction that happened. |
| [22:16:57] | sphery: | (not that either of those 2 patches have actually been committed, yet ;) |
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| [22:17:03] | Dagmar: | Nurse on duty saw it, and immediately called uis |
| [22:17:21] | gbee: | call it 'filename', 'recordingTitle' etc and it's suddenly much easier to read the code and understand the intent |
| [22:17:31] | sphery: | Though I'll admit that it's low priority until just before the 0.22 release as TZ="America/New_York" mythbackend works fine |
| [22:17:38] | Dagmar: | Actually in this case I documented why it was that a particular stanza would kick out an error instead of bothering to process things further. |
| [22:18:39] | sphery: | gbee: yep, I agree... Hungarian notation was developed by a systems programmer using mainly assembly--where there are no "types"--so it made sense. Then the applications devs at MS thought it was smart, so they used it with typed languages (which is stupid). |
| [22:19:02] | Dagmar: | "Hungarian notation"? |
| [22:19:24] | Dagmar: | Hitting up wikipedia |
| [22:19:28] | sphery: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_notation |
| [22:19:44] | Dagmar: | Ah |
| [22:19:46] | sphery: | guess it was BCPL he used |
| [22:20:42] | AndyCap: | sphery: do you mean apps hungarian and systems hungarian? |
| [22:20:59] | sphery: | yeah |
| [22:21:41] | AndyCap: | sphery: i.e. the application people at ms got it right and the os people cocked it up |
| [22:22:48] | sphery: | IMHO, they both got it wrong--an encoded "hint" as to the purpose of the variable is not necessarily with a properly-chosen variable name |
| [22:23:13] | sphery: | but, in a non-typed language, the systems notation could be useful |
| [22:24:21] | sphery: | oh, and I'm also assuming good encapsulation when I say that apps notation isn't useful |
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| [22:29:03] | iamlindoro__: | Anduin, So A few brief words on the metadata patch-- The latest version implements storage groups, but they are currently "read only" and require some manual changes to records in the database to use. That non-functionality is totally transparent, though, as it falls back to the plain old settings table functionality as it always has |
| [22:30:10] | iamlindoro__: | Anduin, I hope you will consider committing it *with* the Storage Group stubs, though, as I will submit a patch in the next few weeks to allow what I talked about on the list (different elements of the same record in different storage groups, as well as changes to grabber code to stream into an SG). Just waiting on some bits and pieces to get committed by other people to do that |
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| [22:32:00] | iamlindoro__: | If I can manage it I will also try to work on some code that checks the SG against existing local settings and offers to upgrade existing records to storage-group-capable records |
| [22:35:19] | Anduin: | iamlindoro__: I'm find putting stub stuff in (I still haven't looked at it, sorry) |
| [22:35:56] | iamlindoro__: | Anduin, S'ok-- anyway, that part *works*, it just requires that you know how to massage the filenames in the DB |
| [22:36:27] | iamlindoro__: | Anduin, ie instead of /absolute/path/to/file.ext, to work in an SG it has to be relative/to/SG/root.ext |
| [22:37:14] | iamlindoro__: | But for anyone who doesn't know that, having the local setting will work just as expected |
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| [22:54:58] | iamlindoro__: | "About a year ago I volunteered to write the code to get mythvideo to use storage groups. I've been done for ages but I'm way back at svn 15873 and haven't had time to bring things up to current svn until recently. I really want to get current so hopefully I'll have something soon. On the other hand I've said that before..." |
| [22:55:02] | iamlindoro__: | Erm... bit late... |
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| [22:58:58] | Anduin: | Is that George N? |
| [22:59:14] | iamlindoro__: | yes |
| [23:02:19] | Anduin: | I'd feel bad but he never told anyone |
| [23:02:56] | iamlindoro__: | It's worded in a funny way, I'm not sure if he expects that the now-existing stuff would get ripped out and replaced so quickly |
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| [23:05:10] | gbee: | isn't he misunderstanding how the SG stuff works? i.e. It's not limited to a single storage location? |
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| [23:05:44] | GreyFoxx: | I think so |
| [23:05:56] | GreyFoxx: | and I see no reason to "convert" existing stuff |
| [23:06:31] | GreyFoxx: | Maybe offer an option to convert it but I wouldn't touch a users current metadata without the user explicitly asking the system to |
| [23:07:30] | iamlindoro__: | GreyFoxx, I guess I was thinking along the lines of when Recording Storage Groups came in the old setting went away, I forsee some confusion if there are two settings on a going-forward basis |
| [23:07:33] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro_: As for your problem scanning, can you email me the output of a frontend doing a scan with -v file,network ? |
| [23:07:50] | iamlindoro__: | GreyFoxx, yep, lemme back up the DB and I'll do that now |
| [23:07:56] | GreyFoxx: | thanks |
| [23:08:37] | GreyFoxx: | My "big" task right now is remote dvd's |
| [23:09:08] | GreyFoxx: | getting it working for unencrypted content would be easy......css encrypted might not be so simple |
| [23:09:25] | GreyFoxx: | I should email sk about it |
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| [23:12:29] | GreyFoxx: | hmmm nbd might just do the trick |
| [23:13:14] | gbee: | I think you'd need some vowels |
| [23:13:52] | GreyFoxx: | hehe network block device :) |
| [23:13:52] | iamlindoro__: | GreyFoxx, Log sent |
| [23:14:14] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro_: cool |
| [23:15:13] | iamlindoro__: | GreyFoxx, More or less it indicates the backend is currently unreachable-- but everything shy of a scan works great, SGs included |
| [23:16:07] | iamlindoro__: | Hmm, this may be the culprit: Failed to scan :myth://Videos@Holmes/MythMedia/movies/: |
| [23:16:36] | iamlindoro__: | /MythMedia/movies is the absolute path to the start of the Video SG on my MBE |
| [23:17:10] | iamlindoro__: | if it were to scan myth://Videos@Holmes/ it should work, but for some reason it's building it then adding the path too |
| [23:19:16] | GreyFoxx: | Hmmm actually I think it's the request is for "holmes" and not "Holmes" |
| [23:19:32] | GreyFoxx: | for some reason your QUrl is returning the hostname with all lowercase |
| [23:19:49] | GreyFoxx: | now in my case all machines are lower case |
| [23:20:41] | iamlindoro__: | hmm |
| [23:20:56] | GreyFoxx: | lemme do some playing with qurl |
| [23:21:02] | iamlindoro__: | okee, thanks |
| [23:21:05] | GreyFoxx: | What QT Version ? |
| [23:21:13] | iamlindoro__: | 4.5 |
| [23:21:29] | iamlindoro__: | (rc) |
| [23:21:34] | GreyFoxx: | ok I'll likely have a patch for you to test later |
| [23:21:53] | meshe: | out of sheer lazyness, all of my hostnames are lowercase |
| [23:21:55] | GreyFoxx: | This is not the first time I've seen QUrl lowercase some of it's returned values |
| [23:22:13] | iamlindoro__: | GreyFoxx, OK, happy to test (out for dinner tonight but will be around before and after) |
| [23:22:17] | iamlindoro__: | Thanks for looking at it |
| [23:22:29] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro_: have fun :) |
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| [23:29:33] | iamlindoro__: | Oh, And Dollhouse tonight, everyone!! |
| [23:29:55] | GreyFoxx: | all set for it :) |
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| [23:35:33] | Dagmar: | Yeah just set the myth box for it |
| [23:35:40] | Dagmar: | ...but I'm not stupid enough to try to watch that one at the office. |
| [23:35:56] | Dagmar: | Seems like there'll be some partially exposed breasteses |
| [23:48:02] | jduggan: | HAPPY UNIX |
| [23:48:05] | jduggan: | or something |
| [23:48:07] | jduggan: | ... ;P |
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| [23:54:04] | AndyCap: | happy eunuchs. |
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