| Tuesday, February 10th, 2009, 00:01 UTC | ||
| [00:01:35] | sphery: | Heh, there seems to be a bug on TiVo's website that allows you to save $100 off the subscription fee. |
| [00:02:03] | sphery: | Though I have to say I didn't actually complete the checkout process, so it may have figured it out at the end. |
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| [00:13:24] | iamlindoro: | Hmm. Looks like 180.29 fixes the MKV flicker/temporal screwup issue |
| [00:13:35] | iamlindoro: | That'll please the file squirrely crowd |
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| [00:16:23] | sphery: | iamlindoro: Argh!!! It will. |
| [00:16:46] | iamlindoro: | well, "mostly fixes" anyway |
| [00:16:57] | iamlindoro: | I'm seeing some jerkiness, but it's far and away better |
| [00:17:11] | GreyFoxx: | Hopefully it will fix my regular crashes in libGL |
| [00:17:29] | iamlindoro: | On the other hand-- I've got a few files that are crashing playback all of a sudden |
| [00:17:41] | iamlindoro: | "A Serious playback error occurred" Ruh oh... |
| [00:17:59] | iamlindoro: | Trying to see if it's reliably in the same spot |
| [00:18:00] | sphery: | heh, that's because they've been fixing it to work with the samples the squirrels provide. |
| [00:18:04] | GreyFoxx: | I've had a ton of crashes at th end of playback. when we tear everything down something gets called in libGL and myth segfaults |
| [00:18:54] | sphery: | jamiem: can't say this in #mythtv, but that's what the devs with commit privileges are for. They're like code-cleaning gremlins that fix things up before committing. |
| [00:19:11] | sphery: | That's a joke--I always try to make the code quality as high as possible before submitting... |
| [00:25:33] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: What VDPAU deinterlacer are you using ? |
| [00:25:55] | iamlindoro: | Bob, but my failures are on a progressive source |
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| [00:28:47] | GreyFoxx: | just curious as after going to 180.29 I notice that during playback using hardware decoding I get a slight "stutter" for a few seconds after seeking |
| [00:29:03] | GreyFoxx: | but using software decoding and VDPAU rendering I don't see it |
| [00:29:52] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx, TBH I haven't been using VDPAU in production, just checking in on it every driver release, so I haven't really experienced some of the subtleties |
| [00:30:24] | GreyFoxx: | I've been using the renderer since it went into trunk and to be honest I love it |
| [00:30:37] | GreyFoxx: | the video looks great and the OSD look awesome |
| [00:30:55] | iamlindoro: | saw too many random quirks and failures so I am mostly sticking with software decode for the time being |
| [00:31:03] | GreyFoxx: | the decoders though I just try once in a while and of course when new versions come out |
| [00:31:10] | GreyFoxx: | same here |
| [00:31:10] | iamlindoro: | and I don't watch any SD material so the OSD is always HD for me |
| [00:31:28] | iamlindoro: | (Daily Show being the exception) |
| [00:32:26] | iamlindoro: | And yeah, just tested, I see the post-skip slideshow |
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| [00:34:49] | sandeen: | iamlindoro so I'm stumped w/ my 2nd tuner problem – I deleted & re-added the conflicting schedule, still get a conflict. my input connections are named "Digital 1" and "Digital 2" but they are both connected to the "Digital Cable" video source .... |
| [00:35:21] | sandeen: | if I look at mythweb upcoming recordings, evverything is on "Digital 1" and I have a conflict, yet |
| [00:36:01] | ** sandeen isn't sure how to figure out what's going on here ** | |
| [00:36:04] | iamlindoro: | read your backend logs, then, sounds like the there's something wrong with access to the tuner |
| [00:36:09] | sandeen: | k |
| [00:36:23] | sandeen: | IIRC switching to it for livetv worked ... |
| [00:36:27] | ** sandeen checks logs ** | |
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| [00:38:34] | ** sandeen sees no referenced to either input connection by name, anyway ** | |
| [00:40:50] | sandeen: | scanned channels on the 2nd one, too, that worked fine |
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| [00:48:54] | ** sandeen looks for a backend debug option for the resceduling ** | |
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| [00:59:33] | justinh: | --resched |
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| [01:04:52] | justinh: | hrmph. only 1600 tracks ripped so far |
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| [01:14:25] | sphery: | sandeen: debug or verbose option? i.e. -v important,general,schedule . See libs/libmyth/mythverbose.h (in -fixes--think it's in libmythdb for trunk, or something) |
| [01:15:19] | sphery: | though chances are you just need to do: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 |
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| [01:43:08] | sandeen: | sphery, thanks ... will look |
| [01:44:10] | sandeen: | hm, so "start all over" :) |
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| [02:00:05] | iamlindoro: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6246 |
| [02:00:07] | iamlindoro: | uhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| [02:01:18] | jams: | amusing |
| [02:01:26] | iamlindoro: | yeah, that's one word for it :) |
| [02:02:11] | ** iamlindoro edits out all Verbose in the source code and submits a patch ** | |
| [02:02:30] | GreyFoxx: | Haha I'm doing a lot of that right now myself |
| [02:02:59] | iamlindoro: | Never mind he could avoid being "annoyed" by simply having a functional config file :) |
| [02:03:52] | GreyFoxx: | It's amazing how much faster some stuff loads when you are not spewing hundreds of lines of stuff tothe logs ;) |
| [02:04:10] | mchou: | yeah, no doubt |
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| [02:10:06] | Dagmar: | GreyFoxx: And when your machine isn't trying to deliver millions of emails at once |
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| [02:19:14] | sphery: | iamlindoro: yeah, and since the UPnP auto-lookup in the perl bindings /only/ works for the simplest case--a single mythbackend on the network--and currently can't get the PIN required to actually connect, without that message, the user is likely to wonder why nothing is happening/the bindings (script) don't work... :) |
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| [02:22:32] | iamlindoro: | sphery, I am going to get all SORTS of patches like that prepped! ;) |
| [02:23:24] | iamlindoro: | "The letter 'm' has displeased me. I have removed it from playbackbox.cpp." |
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| [02:23:36] | GreyFoxx: | hh |
| [02:23:42] | sphery: | I think I saw that episode of Sesame Street... |
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| [02:46:19] | sphery: | MPEG-2 encoders on pcHDTV HD-5500? |
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| [02:47:24] | sphery: | Guess it's just a confused user, not a new post-HD-3000 feature. |
| [02:48:51] | iamlindoro: | I look forward to the straight-setting |
| [02:49:52] | sphery: | naw, not worth it |
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| [03:34:48] | high-rez: | Any suggestions for dealing with this: WriteAudio: buffer underrun ? |
| [03:36:25] | high-rez: | It's accompanied by audio dropouts... I haven't been able to coorelate it to any one event. Video seems to be doing well during these audio drop events.. |
| [03:40:29] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Prebuffering_pause, especially the audio issues thing |
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| [04:00:48] | sandeen: | sphery, if i have 2 tuner cards will I need to scan for channels on both as I rebuild the inputs? |
| [04:00:59] | sandeen: | (they're both the same source, identical cards, etc) |
| [04:01:29] | iamlindoro: | Generally speaking, no |
| [04:01:56] | sandeen: | ok |
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| [04:24:45] | sandeen: | iamlindoro, sphery, deleting the sources & redoing it fixed it. I suppose a bug's in there somewhere, but oh well, works now |
| [04:24:54] | sandeen: | thanks for the help |
| [04:25:17] | sphery: | glad it worked |
| [04:26:10] | sandeen: | me too :) |
| [04:26:20] | ** sandeen goes back to fixing ext4 ** | |
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| [04:31:41] | ** Dagmar lights a candle for sandeen ** | |
| [04:32:28] | sandeen: | hehe |
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| [05:23:44] | iamlindoro: | Boy, I'm sure enjoy this episode of Oh Brother Where Art Th^H^H^H^H Heroes |
| [05:23:49] | iamlindoro: | enjoying, that is |
| [05:26:13] | iamlindoro: | And not enjoying so much as... well, watching. |
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| [05:41:20] | Dagmar: | O Brother Where Art Thou was on last night, man. |
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| [05:55:41] | Neosat: | Good morning to all |
| [05:59:24] | Neosat: | I am using myth release with a single DVB-s tuner and I have decided to add another one. Drivers loaded succesfully and also I have created the new device in mythtv-setup. In addition I have created another input but didn't make a search with the second tuner cause the channels are the same in both. when I try to tune on my client myth box then the master freezes. |
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| [06:00:25] | Neosat: | Do I have to rescan for channels with my second tuner? |
| [06:03:17] | Neosat: | Anyone? |
| [06:03:59] | cesman: | no, you do not |
| [06:04:39] | Neosat: | Why it freezes |
| [06:04:52] | Neosat: | It shouldnt go to the second tuner? |
| [06:05:59] | Neosat: | On my second box I see only the channels that lies on the frequency that my master box is watching |
| [06:16:27] | Neosat: | Is there any setting I have to make for the second box so as it will uses the second tuner? |
| [06:24:14] | Neosat: | Anyone please? |
| [06:25:46] | cesman: | if you are attempting to watch live tv on a remote FE, it should grab any available tuner |
| [06:26:06] | cesman: | it your system is freezing, then you should investigate your logs |
| [06:26:26] | cesman: | depending on your distro, /var/log/mythtv |
| [06:26:59] | cesman: | you can also run the backend and frontend from an xterm (different ones of course) and investigate the output |
| [06:31:07] | Neosat: | well I can do that but I can make back and exit the LiveTV with no problem when I go back in then I can watch TV again on my master ofcaurse. On the client I never see any tv only black screen |
| [06:41:16] | cesman: | then you need to investigate the logs |
| [06:45:48] | wagnerrp: | bah |
| [06:46:05] | wagnerrp: | the presidential SOTU ran long |
| [06:46:11] | wagnerrp: | and clipped off the end of Heroes |
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| [07:04:07] | mzb_d800: | can anyone tell me why this is happening? :: http://openpaste.org/en/11095/ |
| [07:05:03] | mzb_d800: | I went from testing live tv on one of the frontends (testing 3 tuners), and then to "upcoming recordings" and the MBE died (separate machine) |
| [07:05:17] | mzb_d800: | I've noticed it a few times now, and still none the wiser |
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| [08:08:16] | t0ny-p40: | Is there a place I can set to have a script run when a recording is started or finished? |
| [08:09:23] | wagnerrp: | started, not exactly |
| [08:09:33] | wagnerrp: | you can set up a channel change script |
| [08:09:45] | wagnerrp: | but thats a horribly ugly hack of a way to get something run |
| [08:09:54] | wagnerrp: | finished, you can run a user job |
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| [08:10:19] | t0ny-p40: | :/ I may just make a script that pulls the webserver then |
| [08:10:42] | wagnerrp: | pulls the webserver? |
| [08:11:33] | t0ny-p40: | The one at port 6544 |
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| [08:29:30] | mattwj2002: | hi guys |
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| [08:32:56] | mattwj2002: | here where is the anykey.....I can't find the anykey! |
| [08:32:57] | mattwj2002: | :P |
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| [08:51:23] | justinh: | hmmm. after that little operator error I think I'm going to have to change my copying method. i.e. don't leave the ripped cds in a dir where the share has write permissions |
| [08:51:54] | justinh: | rip disc, copy to linux box. _move_ files to safe place, then tag & albumart |
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| [09:41:43] | damn`machine: | hi |
| [09:42:07] | damn`machine: | wow HDTV was as easy as mplayer dvb:// |
| [09:42:53] | damn`machine: | why it's using 12.27% cpu??!!! |
| [09:43:15] | damn`machine: | when I play movies or analog tv is like 0.1% |
| [09:43:44] | damn`machine: | how to put this in mythtv? |
| [09:44:08] | damn`machine: | this is killing my cpu |
| [09:45:17] | hads: | 12% isn't that bad. |
| [09:45:18] | mattwj2002: | 12.27 % isn't that bad |
| [09:46:18] | damn`machine: | what? I have an nvidia 8600 gt |
| [09:50:11] | damn`machine: | wait so I set mythtv only for 9 HD channels? 3 of them uninteresting os 6 channels worth? |
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| [09:59:41] | Hoxzer: | For me when playing 720p(h264) Xorg was using 75% of the CPU. After driver change it was like 15% |
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| [10:00:53] | damn`machine: | i'll try xv |
| [10:01:06] | damn`machine: | the above results were with gl |
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| [10:02:30] | damn`machine: | same thing |
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| [10:08:00] | justinh: | 12% KILLING your cpu? get a clue |
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| [10:28:11] | simoo: | haha 12% |
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| [11:00:23] | sid3windr: | rofl |
| [11:00:26] | sid3windr: | 12% is killing the cpu |
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| [11:07:28] | mad`macheen: | hi |
| [11:07:34] | mad`macheen: | where was I at |
| [11:08:55] | mad`macheen: | is anyone familiar with output to a tv and the screen is split in two with two shrank outputs divided by a black vertical bar? |
| [11:09:25] | justinh: | yes. sounds like you need an ATI driver that actually works |
| [11:09:45] | mad`macheen: | I have nvidia |
| [11:10:08] | justinh: | wonder how you managed to get it to fail so spectacularly then |
| [11:10:39] | mad`macheen: | all I know it has something to do with component cables and something with the tv being either interlaced or progressive |
| [11:12:15] | justinh: | lcd & plasma TVs are all progressive internally but that has no bearing on what they'll accept |
| [11:12:16] | mad`macheen: | fail? |
| [11:13:16] | mad`macheen: | so I have component cable and pick the progressive option and still get the split screen |
| [11:14:22] | justinh: | you need to send video to your TV in a mode and resolution your TV is designed to take |
| [11:14:32] | mad`macheen: | does this have a technical name? |
| [11:14:52] | justinh: | only you can know the specs of your TV |
| [11:15:21] | mad`macheen: | sony trinitron, claims to support progressive |
| [11:16:43] | justinh: | you might as well have just said "it's a teevee, I dunno" |
| [11:17:00] | justinh: | look in the little book that comes with the teevee |
| [11:17:06] | mad`macheen: | mythtv uses ffmpeg and mplayer, right? so all this will have to be calibrated by hand, right? |
| [11:17:15] | mad`macheen: | kv36 |
| [11:17:18] | justinh: | mythtv uses ffmpeg libs |
| [11:17:33] | justinh: | mad`macheen: YOU read YOUR manual. nobody is walking you through this |
| [11:17:53] | mad`macheen: | so the book will tell me the technical name of the defective output? |
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| [11:18:33] | justinh: | sheesh |
| [11:19:07] | justinh: | ok. your TV will accept certain modes & resolutions of video. you need to output X in a mode your TV will accept |
| [11:19:48] | justinh: | if you don't have the right resolution, timing & scan mode... you'll get what you're having now |
| [11:22:00] | justinh: | then again maybe you're having issues because so much of your CPU is being taken up during playback |
| [11:26:14] | sid3windr: | haha |
| [11:26:19] | sid3windr: | yea |
| [11:26:24] | sid3windr: | you need more power to drive the tv |
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| [11:46:23] | mad`macheen: | well now I am only doing it to the computer monitor, only HD was taken massive 12% of cpu |
| [11:47:05] | mad`macheen: | so I gotta mess with timings, scan and resolution |
| [11:48:13] | mad`macheen: | right now I am trying to get tune the psp output on the computer and I have the exact same picture as on the tv. The only difference is that here the component has a composite adapter |
| [11:48:47] | mad`macheen: | so what's the name of this deffect? |
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| [11:50:46] | Dibblah: | %SYS-E-WRONG-IRC-CHANNEL% |
| [11:52:25] | mad`macheen: | oO |
| [11:56:34] | justinh: | 12% is NOT massive btw |
| [11:56:53] | justinh: | 12% is pee in the ocean |
| [12:01:45] | clever: | and it wont even take 10 of those pee's to fill the ocean... |
| [12:01:57] | clever: | thats not even a meal |
| [12:02:00] | justinh: | shut up clever |
| [12:02:20] | justinh: | in the large scheme of things, 10–20% CPU is not 'a lot' |
| [12:02:25] | clever: | yeah |
| [12:02:29] | justinh: | 80–100% IS a lot |
| [12:02:32] | ** clever goes off to eat ** | |
| [12:03:59] | Dibblah: | Hmmm. No reply from the advert-replacing-dev-team. |
| [12:04:25] | ** Dibblah bets on another week before they post exactly the same question reworded again :) ** | |
| [12:07:07] | justinh: | challo. I like meeth teevee very much. now can please you help us switch commercials for clips of our leaders? |
| [12:13:06] | ivor: | "advert-replacing-dev-team" ? |
| [12:14:06] | ivor: | aha found it.... |
| [12:14:51] | ivor: | ah. :) |
| [12:15:02] | ivor: | weird |
| [12:15:30] | justinh: | invasion of the ad-spot snatchers! |
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| [12:18:06] | justinh: | hey, want to set up a company providing AV displays for public spaces but don't want to pay for your own content rights? Simply use this custom software & feed it ordinary television |
| [12:18:55] | justinh: | somehow I don't think it'd look as polished as a proper solution ;) |
| [12:20:55] | ivor: | i dont bother with automatic commflagging personally. |
| [12:21:21] | justinh: | doesn't work too well here in Blighty |
| [12:21:26] | ** Dibblah would use it... ** | |
| [12:21:29] | Dibblah: | If it worked. |
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| [12:21:40] | justinh: | just don't watch much commercial TV :D |
| [12:21:43] | ivor: | just play recordings and jump jump jump. :) |
| [12:21:56] | justinh: | as long as channel 4 keep the 4 mins ad breaks |
| [12:22:11] | ivor: | justinh: yeah i see some of the stations are starting to get pretty agressive with merging ads into programs |
| [12:22:19] | ivor: | annoyingly so of late. |
| [12:22:28] | justinh: | hmmm? |
| [12:22:41] | justinh: | product placement? |
| [12:23:05] | justinh: | or more just banging them in wherever? |
| [12:23:28] | ivor: | no, no blank screen or program "splash screen" just jump straight to the sponsor video flicks and then into ads |
| [12:23:32] | justinh: | ITV cocked up during an FA cup game last week apparently. just cut to ads.. and hard. missed a goal. whoops |
| [12:23:43] | ivor: | the idea being that you know it's an ad break because it's frames with sponsor videos. |
| [12:23:51] | Dibblah: | Better than hardcore gay porn, I guess. |
| [12:24:09] | justinh: | ivor: ITV have always been pretty agressive |
| [12:24:17] | ivor: | the number of times I've not been concentrating and suddenly realised the plot of the films gone all strange.... before realising. :D |
| [12:24:20] | justinh: | no fades to black for years |
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| [12:27:26] | justinh: | oof. that kaleidescape system ain't cheap is it? 150 DVD server.. > £6000 |
| [12:27:36] | justinh: | whoops |
| [12:27:45] | justinh: | £8750 + VAT & installation |
| [12:28:01] | ivor: | justinh: put my freesat dish up at the weekend |
| [12:28:14] | justinh: | happy with it? |
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| [12:28:36] | justinh: | I have to lose a tree before mine goes back up |
| [12:28:47] | ivor: | er. some teething troubles with my alignment. |
| [12:28:53] | ivor: | :) |
| [12:29:10] | ivor: | weather got bad so I couldnt spend any more time on it |
| [12:30:18] | ** Dibblah modified femon to output a number, then timidity to create a tone. ** | |
| [12:30:47] | Dibblah: | Much easier than a laptop up a ladder :) |
| [12:33:41] | ivor: | for some reason I'm only getting channels off eurobird and not astra2d. odd. |
| [12:39:04] | Dibblah: | Wrong inclination? |
| [12:39:23] | Dibblah: | Oh, right. Your dish is mispointed :) |
| [12:39:42] | Dibblah: | 28.5 vs 28.2 |
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| [12:42:56] | ivor: | indeed. although if correctly pointed it should get .2 and .5 at the same time. |
| [12:43:02] | ivor: | mutter. feck etc. |
| [12:43:31] | ivor: | back up the ladder.... |
| [12:43:47] | AndyCap: | for normal dish sizes don't you get about 1–2 degrees of "leeway" |
| [12:44:11] | ivor: | life was so much easier with my old 1.8m motorised dish. :) could get signals from mars on that one. |
| [12:44:44] | AndyCap: | ivor: did the martians have commercials? |
| [12:45:44] | ivor: | nah just something about all your base are belong.... |
| [12:45:58] | AndyCap: | We get signal |
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| [13:18:34] | simoo: | can I state that a particular webdav user is to have readonly access? |
| [13:19:12] | simoo: | sorry, wrong place |
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| [15:09:41] | at0m: | hi, I'd like to weekly record Panorama on BBC, but also another channel here has (another) Panorama twice a week. Both schedules seem to compete. Excluding on subtitle or description doesn't work, since repeats labeled as such. any hints on this? maybe set up costom rules? |
| [15:10:50] | justinh: | $description LIKE "%annoying%c**t%jeremy%vine%" ... |
| [15:11:54] | justinh: | why not just set it to record at any time on that channel? |
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| [15:16:09] | justinh: | I record it every week on BBC1, but often when I go to watch it, Jezza Vine's grating monotone impels me to delete it |
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| [15:22:25] | jamiem: | I'm Jeremy Vine: Look at my MASSIVE HEAD |
| [15:22:28] | at0m: | justinh, record any time would record 7 times for both channels. i need 2.. |
| [15:23:04] | jamiem: | at0m: can't you set a weekday? |
| [15:23:19] | justinh: | I give up. it's not frickin rocket science ffs |
| [15:23:30] | at0m: | jamiem, will check , cheers |
| [15:23:41] | jamiem: | Come on, man! This is brain surgery not rocket science! |
| [15:24:07] | at0m: | justinh, relax :) |
| [15:24:10] | jamiem: | at0m: program.title LIKE "Panorama" AND weekday(program.starttime)=1 |
| [15:24:11] | justinh: | NO |
| [15:24:12] | jamiem: | or whatever |
| [15:24:29] | at0m: | rocket science is classical newtonian physics, that's ez :o |
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| [15:24:59] | justinh: | easy, sept you find the recording options so beguiling :D |
| [15:25:37] | justinh: | dunno what'd be wrong with 'this timeslot every week' |
| [15:25:52] | jamiem: | justinh: extended snooker highlights! |
| [15:26:05] | justinh: | on BBC1? nah |
| [15:27:37] | justinh: | wait til wimbledon starts again. christ on bikes |
| [15:27:52] | justinh: | extend recordings by 6 hours & you MIGHT catch your show |
| [15:28:13] | jamiem: | Starttime 00:01 Endttime 23:59 |
| [15:28:33] | justinh: | I wonder if the move to 100% digital will stop all that stuff |
| [15:28:51] | justinh: | ie. if you want to continue to watch $sport, tune to channel 301 |
| [15:29:05] | justinh: | otherwise, normal programming will prevail :) |
| [15:29:09] | justinh: | if only |
| [15:29:42] | jamiem: | if only |
| [15:29:54] | jamiem: | and Big White Squares (tm) between adverts |
| [15:31:10] | ** justinh wants some of what http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/370458 has been smoking ** | |
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| [15:32:10] | clever: | justinh: just throw the damn sports on there own channel |
| [15:32:15] | clever: | leave the other channels alone!! |
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| [15:32:33] | gbee: | someone suggested (via Points of View) that the BBC put all live events on a dedicated BBC Live channel, that way overruns wouldn't screw up normal programming – at the time they seemed receptive to the idea |
| [15:32:53] | justinh: | cool |
| [15:33:18] | justinh: | was that before OFCOM told them they're losing mux space or after? |
| [15:33:26] | gbee: | can't recall :) |
| [15:33:40] | justinh: | ach well, it's only telly |
| [15:33:49] | jamiem: | heh |
| [15:33:58] | jamiem: | give some mux space to Channel 4! |
| [15:34:06] | justinh: | whut fur? |
| [15:34:26] | justinh: | so they can have more +1 channels? |
| [15:35:10] | justinh: | ooo 5 mins or so then I can go |
| [15:35:41] | justinh: | confined to quarters sitting in front of 4 computers & stacks of CDs. |
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| [15:43:49] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | justinh: you need a fater cd drive... My "antique" Yamaha has 40x Audo extraction... it FLIES! ;-) |
| [15:44:47] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | justinh: ...er "faster" even... and "Audio"... Jeepers, I guess my fingers are asleep today... |
| [15:49:11] | jamiem: | a phatter CD drive |
| [15:54:43] | iamlindoro_: | "Does anyone else want to see vector graphics support in .22?" |
| [15:54:52] | iamlindoro_: | Apparently Myth is developed entirely by wishpower |
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| [15:55:53] | thebishop: | are there any internal HDTV dual-tuner cards supported by Myth? |
| [15:56:07] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | thebishop: HDHomeRun |
| [15:56:27] | thebishop: | J-e-f-f-A, is that the only one? I heard HDHomeRun takes a long time to change channels |
| [15:57:20] | thebishop: | also, just in terms of aesthetics, i'd prefer it to be PCI or PCIe 1x |
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| [15:57:44] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | thebishop: I dunno. ;-) I think it takes the same amount of time as any other digital tuner... And is still faster than my Sattelite STBs... |
| [15:58:13] | thebishop: | J-e-f-f-A, ah, someone told me it's like 3–5 seconds. My wife wouldn't put up with that |
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| [16:00:21] | iamlindoro_: | 3–5 seconds is a fairly common channel change time in Myth period |
| [16:00:50] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | thebishop: Any DVR is going to have 3–5 seconds channel-change. |
| [16:00:56] | thebishop: | ah |
| [16:01:19] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | thebishop: That's what the guide is for — instead of channel-surfing, look at the guide, then change the channel to it. |
| [16:01:34] | gbee: | and any digital tuner, even without recording capabilities takes longer than an analogue tuner |
| [16:01:36] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | thebishop: Or use Myth what it's designed for, recording for later playback... |
| [16:01:50] | gbee: | even if it's 5 minutes later |
| [16:01:59] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | ^ yep. ;-) |
| [16:02:22] | thebishop: | J-e-f-f-A, i'm using MythTv |
| [16:02:28] | thebishop: | to cancel comcast |
| [16:02:50] | thebishop: | i want my PC to have similar or better functionality to the digital cable dvr |
| [16:03:07] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: tell them we'd love to see vector graphics support in 0.22, I'll have some time in a couple of hours to commit the patch |
| [16:03:09] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | thebishop: what will your source be, just ATSC OTA? |
| [16:03:16] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: Already done :) |
| [16:03:34] | thebishop: | J-e-f-f-A, that or QAM, i think |
| [16:04:08] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | thebishop: Well, you're not likely to get anything but local OTA via QAM. |
| [16:04:33] | thebishop: | J-e-f-f-A, i know. I actually get pretty good availability in Philadephia |
| [16:05:03] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | thebishop: And you'd still need Cable, just not their DVR. |
| [16:05:35] | thebishop: | oh right. well i'll start with ATSC over air and see how it goes |
| [16:06:19] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | thebishop: Do you want to get your premium channels in HD? If so, you're probably going to be dissapointed... |
| [16:06:51] | thebishop: | J-e-f-f-A, nah. i find *other* ways to get premium channels. |
| [16:07:09] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work pretends he didn't hear that. ** | |
| [16:07:20] | thebishop: | J-e-f-f-A, you know, like season blu-rays |
| [16:08:27] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | thebishop: Ok, well... I wouldn't expect bo e able to tune in anything except Locals via digital over your cable feed. However, you might get lucky and find that other channels are not [yet[ encrypted... |
| [16:09:47] | thebishop: | J-e-f-f-A, yeah, i already checked it out with an antenna plugged into my TV. I get all the networks in HD with good reception. i'll use Hulu for most extended cable, other means for HBO, and the only thing I watch other than that is MSNBC, which sucks anyway |
| [16:09:56] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | thebishop: Or, if you get a HD STB, you might get lucky and find that the firewire output is not encrypted... but even if it isn't, it's likely to be temporary anyways. |
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| [16:18:49] | unimaginative: | iamlindoro, I'm having crazy system instability with this ASUS mobo, and from what I've read, the mobo could just be being a turd. Have you had any random shutdowns using that board? Mabye excessively high GPU temps? |
| [16:22:43] | iamlindoro_: | Nope, haven't seen anything like that, thankfully |
| [16:22:53] | iamlindoro_: | very solid performance here |
| [16:23:04] | unimaginative: | hmm, grrr. |
| [16:24:33] | gbee: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6088#comment:1 << Well since it's so easy, I suppose it wouldn't be too much to expect a patch? |
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| [16:28:51] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: Have you seen the "This log message annoys me so I edited it out" patch? |
| [16:29:12] | iamlindoro_: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6246 |
| [16:29:38] | iamlindoro_: | (Never mind he wouldn't ever see it if he had a valid config file in the first place) |
| [16:31:31] | AndyCap: | iamlindoro_: at least there was a patch. :-P |
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| [16:32:03] | iamlindoro_: | You can create a patch for *lots* of things |
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| [16:32:24] | iamlindoro_: | Like changing all the verbose logging in myth to "underpants underpants underpants" |
| [16:33:33] | AndyCap: | verbose underpants, hmm |
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| [16:33:48] | gbee: | think that was one of mine |
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| [16:35:02] | iamlindoro_: | Blech, I will no longer store bananas in my office |
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| [16:37:40] | AndyCap: | got fruitflies? |
| [16:37:57] | iamlindoro_: | Not yet, they're just not as tasty as they used to be |
| [16:42:38] | laga: | iamlindoro_: i like it when they get squishy and leaky in my backpack |
| [16:42:53] | iamlindoro_: | laga: Heh, you have strange tastes, my friend ;) |
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| [16:44:18] | Dibblah: | gbee: Any problems with me closing that ticket as invalid? |
| [16:44:20] | laga: | iamlindoro_: and a sticky backpack. |
| [16:44:30] | iamlindoro_: | evidently :) |
| [16:44:46] | Dibblah: | Why does scanning have an option not to scan for metadata? |
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| [16:54:04] | gbee: | Dibblah: I'd ask xris, he's the maintainer of the perl bindings and I'm not entirely sure the patch is without merit |
| [16:55:02] | Dibblah: | Eh? 6088 |
| [16:55:12] | Dibblah: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6088 |
| [16:55:24] | Dibblah: | Which is pretty much entirely devoid of merit. |
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| [16:57:35] | RDV_Linux: | iamlindoro and Anduin: I communicated with the developer of the tvdb_api.py module and he is totally flexible on how his modules are included in MythTV. This will resolve most dependency issues. One thing I would like is to change is the tvdb api key, iamlindoro would you please send me the key you got in MythTV's name. You may still have my email address. |
| [16:59:27] | gbee: | Dibblah: sorry, thought you meant #6246 – which might have merit since the upnp autodiscovery was meant to do away with the need for configs |
| [17:00:24] | Dibblah: | Meh. Closed / invalid. |
| [17:01:01] | RDV_Linux: | Also I have found that the list option (-M) is problematic as a poorly qualified series name (e.g. "Night") can return a large number of potential matches. I am thinking of adding a number of returned series names delimiter but that can still mean the you do not see the series you are really interested in. I need some more time to design a solution. |
| [17:01:02] | gbee: | Dibblah: I'd agree that 6088 isn't really defensible, scanning for tags/metadata doesn't take long at all |
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| [17:03:02] | gbee: | unless the guy has hundreds of thousands of tracks that is and adds new ones in batches of 100,000 ... in which case, Aargh! Shiver me timbers! |
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| [17:04:33] | iamlindoro_: | RDV_Linux: Returning a large number of results isn't necessarily a problem, and if it is, it's a problem for the user, not for you to need to worry about |
| [17:05:09] | iamlindoro_: | PM'ed you the API key |
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| [17:06:25] | iamlindoro_: | Anyway, good job |
| [17:06:33] | gbee: | fetching and storing the length at the start of playback is fine (assuming it takes <100ms) and I'd accept a patch, but it's a feature, not a bug |
| [17:06:54] | sphery: | gbee: if we completely get rid of configs (i.e. if clients don't have config.xml), the user would have to type in the PIN that allows the client to connect to the backend every time they started some program. |
| [17:06:57] | RDV_Linux: | Thanks for the input. |
| [17:07:54] | Anduin: | RDV_Linux: is the author flexible or does the license for his code make his flexibility a non-issue? |
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| [17:08:01] | sphery: | gbee: in the cast of #6246, he's saying when he doesn't have config.xml, perl bindings try to find the backend using UPnP and it just warns that it's doing that because there's no config file. Of course, since perl bindings have no way to prompt for the PIN, it's kind of an exercise in futility to do the UPnP scan, anyway. :) |
| [17:08:04] | iamlindoro_: | RDV_Linux: It's reasonable to expect that the user will have named his series *somewhat* sanely, you can't go out of your mind accomodating people who name them with fragments of the name |
| [17:08:09] | iamlindoro_: | Anduin: It's GPL2 |
| [17:08:33] | Anduin: | Ah, ok |
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| [17:08:56] | gbee: | sphery: which is why the frontend writes that pin to config.xml on startup, but config.xml isn't supposed to be a user-edited config, if there is a problem, it's that the perl bindings don't create a config.xml? Just speculating on the last point |
| [17:09:55] | RDV_Linux: | Anduin: Also the author replied I can do anything I wanted for the inclusion of his code in MythTV. He is even willing to make some limited changes. |
| [17:10:33] | gbee: | we're also assuming there is a pin in use here and that it actually needs a config.xml |
| [17:10:57] | sphery: | Well, right now we have a real mess involving config.xml and mysql.txt... mythtv-setup and mythbackend can't create a config.xml. The config.xml--done properly with only the backend USN and PIN--can not be used for the master backend (as the idea is that with a USN and PIN, the client connects to the master backend and asks it for connection info), so we have to have mysql.txt on the mbe. |
| [17:11:17] | sphery: | gbee: if there's no PIN, no clients are allowed to connect, so I'm pretty sure there's a PIN. ;) |
| [17:11:28] | sid3windr: | really? |
| [17:11:29] | sphery: | i.e. default PIN of 0000 means no connection |
| [17:11:47] | sid3windr: | I didn't set up a pin when I started to use my first frontend |
| [17:11:49] | gbee: | sphery: not true, it's possible to disable the pin |
| [17:12:01] | sid3windr: | only if you want to do the auto-backend discovery do you need a pin. |
| [17:12:04] | iamlindoro_: | RDV_Linux: Technically speaking, given his license, you could have included it and changed it in any way you want without his permission... but it's nice to ask :) |
| [17:12:20] | gbee: | sid3windr: only matters if you are using auto-discovery, which is what we're talking about |
| [17:12:28] | sphery: | gbee: You're right... 0000 allows anyone to connect and "" means no one can. "" is default. |
| [17:12:51] | sid3windr: | gbee: mmyeah ;) |
| [17:13:09] | sphery: | Sill, config.xml is a mess since it's only created by mythfrontend. Not created by remote backends/mythtv-setup. |
| [17:13:46] | sphery: | I was looking at fixing it to actually get created whenever anything besides the master backend is run, but it was a huge project, so it dropped way down on my TODO list. |
| [17:14:43] | gbee: | the reality of auto-discovery kinda fell short on the promise :/ |
| [17:14:47] | sphery: | Yeah. |
| [17:15:12] | sphery: | I think we need CDev to get in and clean up the UPnP code (which has morphed a lot since he last worked on it). |
| [17:16:21] | RDV_Linux: | There is one additional dependency as "BeautifulSoup". At least in Ubuntu there is a supported package for that module. I will probable write something in the my script that catches that dependancy advises the user to install the module for their distribution. |
| [17:17:25] | sid3windr: | gbee: well, if you don't need the direct db connection anymore I think there's not a lot to setup, is there? :] |
| [17:17:29] | sid3windr: | s/if/once/ |
| [17:17:41] | GreyFoxx: | You still need the direct connection |
| [17:17:44] | sphery: | sid3windr: that would be ideal |
| [17:17:48] | GreyFoxx: | autodiscovery just auto gets you the info |
| [17:18:00] | sid3windr: | well |
| [17:18:09] | sphery: | sid3windr: and actually, the mythdataserver is now higher on my list than fixing/cleaning up config.xml/mysql.txt madness :) |
| [17:18:09] | sid3windr: | hopefully some day it'll all go over the BE socket, imo |
| [17:18:18] | Anduin: | RDV_Linux: it is used in the fet_poster.py and ofdb.py scripts currently (not that it means people will have it installed though) |
| [17:18:26] | justinh: | huh? suddenly samba is wanting a password :-\ |
| [17:18:31] | sid3windr: | shake it |
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| [17:19:01] | GreyFoxx: | sphery: So I've been going over the patches I've got for the video streaming this morning cleaning up and it's close to being commitable. Any further changes (and there will be) can come after |
| [17:19:16] | sphery: | justinh: lost your credentials file specified for the mount (or lost the password in the mount command *shudders*) |
| [17:19:25] | gbee: | don't make me install python! I'll be good, I promise! :( |
| [17:19:32] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: thanks! I can't wait. |
| [17:19:39] | RDV_Linux: | Good to know, thanks. That at least reduces my concern. |
| [17:19:43] | GreyFoxx: | I add a parameter to FileTransfer to specify a SG to look in. So it will zoom right to thatSG rather than follow the standard search pattern |
| [17:19:46] | justinh: | sphery: it's never needed one. I made it not need one. they do my head in |
| [17:19:50] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: and iamlindoro_ will be exstatic |
| [17:19:57] | GreyFoxx: | MythLogBot://group@host:port/path |
| [17:20:03] | GreyFoxx: | errr |
| [17:20:07] | justinh: | pff. restarted samba & it's letting me on now |
| [17:20:11] | GreyFoxx: | myth://group@host:port/path |
| [17:20:15] | justinh: | stupid flaky... grrr |
| [17:20:19] | ** gbee hacks MythLogBot ** | |
| [17:20:36] | GreyFoxx: | http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/pics/remoteimages1.jpg That's My TV directory with the merged remote host |
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| [17:21:02] | GreyFoxx: | And this is the same with it grabbing th remote folder.jpg/covers via the protocol http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/pics/remoteimages2.jpg |
| [17:21:14] | GreyFoxx: | using the normal mythui cachin stuff |
| [17:21:35] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: nice... I have a patch in the works that fixes the SG creation fallbacks (which will be very useful)... Basically, instead of going groupname+hostname -> "Default"+hostname -> "Default"+"", it adds grouname+"" as the secondary fallback (before going back to default) |
| [17:21:44] | sphery: | Actually patch is done, just needs full testing. |
| [17:22:36] | GreyFoxx: | I just need to do an svn up to make sure there are no conficts, have one last look over for unneeded VERBOSE() stuff and then break it into smaller commits |
| [17:22:41] | sphery: | talked with Cap'n M about it and he liked the idea. That will be nice because currently, if you have a non-"Default" SG, you have to override it on every since host or it will only be used on the MBE. |
| [17:23:22] | sphery: | I always put my debug/devel VERBOSE() lines a column 0 so they're easy to find, but it's amazing how often I accidentally leave some in... :) |
| [17:23:46] | GreyFoxx: | So, just to beclear on how I have it working. There is a new Special group called "Videos". On the backend machine wth the content you run mythtv-setup and add a directory to that group |
| [17:23:59] | sphery: | especially considering a search for '^VERBOSE(' can find them all. |
| [17:24:28] | GreyFoxx: | when scanning for content it pulls in all "Videos" entries and probes each of the hosts(and their directories) storing the files and host it was found on in the videometadata table |
| [17:24:43] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: cool... I think after my patch, if your dirlist is the same on all hosts, you won't need to override it on remote backends--just define it on the mbe. |
| [17:24:44] | justinh: | bah. password thing is coming up again |
| [17:25:07] | GreyFoxx: | And when building lists, or scanning, or playback it takes the host entry into account and does the right thing. Either direct reference or turning it into a myth:// url |
| [17:25:56] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: and the thing I need the most... You provide some means of determining the "type" of Storage Group? I.e. that the Videos SG (and after I make a patch, the DB Backups SG) isn't a normal TV SG? |
| [17:26:42] | GreyFoxx: | Now I can call MythUIimage->SetImage(myth://Videos@192.168.0.15:6543/TV/TinMan/TinMan.jpg) and it will pull it from the proper remote host, group and "search" the directories in the group for it |
| [17:27:05] | sphery: | and you're taking that image and writing it to a local cache? |
| [17:27:15] | GreyFoxx: | Mythui is doing that for me :) |
| [17:27:36] | sphery: | cool... I need that for the channel icons SG patch, so I'll use yours as a template. :) |
| [17:27:38] | GreyFoxx: | so the second grab jus asks the remote backend to verify that the file exists onthat end |
| [17:27:50] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: If you don't mind, can you talk me through the steps I'll need to take to add, for example, a "fanart" SG and use the same method? |
| [17:27:59] | iamlindoro_: | (if it's fairly simple to outline) |
| [17:28:34] | sphery: | 1) see GreyFoxx's changeset, 2) do the same thing changing SG name... ;) |
| [17:28:42] | GreyFoxx: | sphery: No, there is nothing stopping SG's from looking there for TV entries if the default/whatever don't contain the files |
| [17:28:50] | GreyFoxx: | sphery: pretty much :) |
| [17:28:58] | iamlindoro_: | yeah yeah |
| [17:29:07] | GreyFoxx: | You could add a channelicons group with a1 liner and then it's just the interface stuff |
| [17:29:22] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: ok... I thought you had something (besides name) to mark it as a different type of SG... |
| [17:29:27] | sphery: | I guess I can work that in. |
| [17:29:39] | GreyFoxx: | sphery: I was considering that, adding a"type" |
| [17:30:07] | GreyFoxx: | TV, music, video |
| [17:30:09] | GreyFoxx: | and so on |
| [17:30:16] | sphery: | Yeah, I modified the existing "special group" stuff when it had only LiveTV so that it was just a matter of adding a new name to the "Special K Groups" :) array because I had plans for many other SG's. |
| [17:30:33] | GreyFoxx: | that's what I'e done as well |
| [17:30:33] | sphery: | Before, it required modifying about 10 places in the code. |
| [17:30:42] | GreyFoxx: | or used I should say |
| [17:31:49] | sphery: | Yeah. Cap'n M put in some code that allows you to get the list of special groups. I could just make that available through mythproto for MythWeb to use and we could strip out irrelevant SG's. |
| [17:32:16] | justinh: | wonder if I've got some limit on the number of connections or something daft |
| [17:32:40] | sphery: | We got a complaint shortly after adding the DB Backups group: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4770 , so with more special groups, we'll need to handle it better |
| [17:33:08] | GreyFoxx: | sphery: Yeah, I added 2 SG related myth protocol functions for this. One to ge adirectory listing and 1 to get file details |
| [17:33:24] | GreyFoxx: | adding one to "list groups"would make sense |
| [17:33:28] | sphery: | the [19695] "fix" was just a groupname <> "DB Backups" in that one location |
| [17:33:49] | sphery: | that's true. |
| [17:34:19] | jarle: | What is the sql query to list channels where xmltvid is set? |
| [17:35:23] | sid3windr: | select * from channels where xmltvid!='' |
| [17:35:32] | sphery: | hmmm... It looks like there is no function to provide the list of special groups. I guess that was something I told him I'd do, versus something he did. |
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| [17:35:57] | sphery: | AND xmltvid IS NOT NULL |
| [17:36:47] | sphery: | nvm, it's a NOT NULL |
| [17:36:56] | sphery: | column, so no need to check |
| [17:37:22] | iamlindoro_: | I fear I'll break my brain trying to convert the new Meta stuff to Storage groups. Maybe I'll find it won't be that big a deal :) |
| [17:38:04] | GreyFoxx: | SG's are a powerful idea so it's something I'm sure you'd have help extending :) |
| [17:38:36] | iamlindoro_: | And which I'd likely need |
| [17:38:54] | iamlindoro_: | maybe best to see about getting the core patch committed first and then submit a follow up patch for the SG part |
| [17:38:55] | jarle: | sphery: That what I thought, but it does not seem to work.... |
| [17:38:58] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: anyway, thanks for getting that code finished up... I won't get a chance to play with it until next week (and then only across the Internet), but I'm looking forward to working on some of the patches that I've been holding off on. |
| [17:39:06] | GreyFoxx: | one fun thing with this is that now if I move my entire collection fom one backend to another, a second SQL statement moves everything with no loss of metadata |
| [17:39:23] | sphery: | jarle: mine was in addition to sid3windr's, but mine is useless because the data can't be null in that column |
| [17:39:34] | GreyFoxx: | update videometadata set host = "newhost" where host = "oldhost"; |
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| [17:40:02] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: did you do the MythWeb support for it, or are you leaving that for kormoc? |
| [17:40:20] | GreyFoxx: | haven't touched mythweb at all :) |
| [17:40:41] | GreyFoxx: | nor the upnpmedia stuff either |
| [17:41:10] | sphery: | will be cool... This will be the first time I'll actually be able to use MythWeb to see my MythVideo stuff (the MV data is on a filesystem that's not available to my MythWeb host) |
| [17:41:51] | gbee: | I'm looking forward to mythmusic going the same way |
| [17:41:59] | sphery: | that's stuff that can easily be added later... And, I think kormoc loves this kind of thing--he normally adds support for these new features very quickly after they go in, especially where it makes his life easier (as this will). |
| [17:42:23] | GreyFoxx: | the next big thing for me is to look at the new dvdnav stuff and see if I can get it to use the RingBuffer and so on for reaching the content |
| [17:42:25] | sphery: | yeah, MV + MM via SG's will be wonderful (and MythGallery, too) |
| [17:42:46] | sphery: | I thought you already had that for your DVD changer patch? |
| [17:42:51] | GreyFoxx: | then making it play remote DVD's/iso/video_Ts will work |
| [17:43:03] | GreyFoxx: | I was playing video fles off the DVD's |
| [17:43:12] | sphery: | or maybe that was step 3 of that patch and you're now done with 2... |
| [17:43:14] | GreyFoxx: | but not actual dvdnav controlled dvd's |
| [17:43:21] | GreyFoxx: | that's step 3 :) |
| [17:43:22] | sphery: | cool. |
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| [17:43:48] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: Planning on committing today? If so maybe I'll see if I can get the metadata stuff amended tonight |
| [17:44:00] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: probably today/tonight |
| [17:44:04] | iamlindoro_: | cool |
| [17:44:10] | alain10: | hello , can someone help me setup mythtv on archlinux please? |
| [17:44:21] | ** GreyFoxx heads for lunch ** | |
| [17:45:07] | alain10: | i installed it, but get this msg on mythtv-setup, "no UPnP backend found on startup |
| [17:48:28] | sphery: | alain10: you need to configure it with config.xml and/or mysql.txt... chances are if you rm ${HOME}/.mythtv/{mysql.txt,config.xml} and then run mythtv-setup, it will ask you for all the hostname/IP address info it needs |
| [17:48:53] | sphery: | also, must have a valid DB: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2 |
| [17:50:15] | alain10: | sphery are does file in home dir and do i need to be root to modify them |
| [17:51:30] | alain10: | nm i found the file |
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| [18:10:58] | bagpuss_thecat: | is anyone able to explain why 0.21 MythtV on Ubuntu Hardy (LTS) will randomly die with the following error messages in mythtbackend.log? The log continues with screeds and screeds of the same errors – http://pastebin.com/m11b29177 |
| [18:11:21] | bagpuss_thecat: | I suspect it is triggered by autodeletion of shows, but as I'm never around to witness it... |
| [18:11:36] | bagpuss_thecat: | I end up coming home most days, or waking up in the morning, to find a shafted MythTV setup |
| [18:12:02] | bagpuss_thecat: | restarting the master backend will make it run for another indeterminate amount of time |
| [18:14:35] | gbee: | bagpuss_thecat: what version of mysql? |
| [18:15:17] | bagpuss_thecat: | it's stock 5.0.51a-3ubuntu5.4 with no tweaks to my.cnf (other than the bind address) |
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| [18:50:37] | jdnwest: | I'm looking for an HD tuner card for myth, don't care about analogue, just want easy setup and decent picture any recomendations? |
| [18:51:03] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [18:51:14] | jdnwest: | I was looking at the HVR-1250, but i'm not sure of anyone has anything else the'd recomend |
| [18:51:23] | kormoc: | all HD tuner cards will have the same picture, by the nature of the stream |
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| [18:51:50] | iamlindoro_: | http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2009 . . . /247356.html |
| [18:51:56] | iamlindoro_: | Congratulations, you've invented the OSD |
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| [18:52:56] | kormoc: | iamlindoro_, epic |
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| [19:03:27] | bagpuss_thecat: | \o/ |
| [19:03:36] | bagpuss_thecat: | BBC doing DVB-T2 HD Freeview trials |
| [19:04:26] | iamlindoro_: | Now someone just needs to build a DVB-T2 tuner ;) |
| [19:05:14] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: :D |
| [19:06:07] | gbee: | bagpuss_thecat: they finished DVB-T2 HD trials back around Christmas |
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| [19:07:32] | tifereth: | hi |
| [19:07:34] | tifereth: | f i try to record 2 shows following directly after on the same channel, myth does only record the first one |
| [19:07:52] | tifereth: | is this a known bug? |
| [19:08:02] | gbee: | tifereth: no, it's not a bug, you've told mythtv to behave that way by using hardcoded time offsets on the schedule |
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| [19:08:22] | tifereth: | gbee: okay and how to fix then? |
| [19:09:03] | gbee: | remove the 'record x minutes before' 'x minutes after |
| [19:09:07] | gbee: | from the schedule |
| [19:09:39] | gbee: | if you want the padding then use the global setting instead, which will be ignored if it would cause a conflict |
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| [19:14:09] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: So, you've been reading ffmpeg-dev for a few days-- impressions? |
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| [19:22:41] | tifereth: | gbee: but my global setting is already 0 and the recording setting was too start exactly |
| [19:23:28] | gbee: | tifereth: sure the guide data is accurate? It doesn't overlap? |
| [19:24:18] | tifereth: | that was yesterday but it should be due its the epg signal |
| [19:24:45] | gbee: | heh, wouldn't count on it |
| [19:25:40] | tifereth: | but isn't there another way to solve this |
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| [19:26:57] | iamlindoro_: | If the issue is your guide data, the solution would be to switch to a source that gives out valid data-- so if you're using EIT, you may want to look into one of the XMLTV options for your location |
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| [19:28:55] | gbee: | tifereth: mythtv would have done the wrong thing if the guide data had been accurate and the schedule was configured to start/end the recording on time, therefore one of those can't have been true for it to have conflicted the recordings |
| [19:29:08] | gbee: | s/wrong/right/ |
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| [19:29:27] | tifereth: | i'm trying again today |
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| [19:30:14] | gbee: | tifereth: Manage Recordings > Upcoming Recordings – are either of the recordings marked as conflicted? If so it will give reasons |
| [19:30:26] | bagpuss_thecat: | gbee: aah, fair point :-) |
| [19:32:23] | tifereth: | gbee: no nothing marked as conflicted |
| [19:32:53] | iamlindoro_: | tifereth: Are you using XMLTV *and* the on-air guide? |
| [19:33:28] | tifereth: | no only epg afaik |
| [19:33:46] | iamlindoro_: | I assume you mean EIT |
| [19:33:48] | gbee: | tifereth: good, now if it fails for any reason it's not a scheduling related problem, check the backend logs from yesterday though, it might be a driver problem which prevented the recording of the second programme, rather than a scheduling conflict |
| [19:34:47] | tifereth: | okay i'll check |
| [19:35:36] | mashzmash: | Is there any way to associate my own custom "comment" with a recorded show? |
| [19:38:19] | gbee: | just when I think I've heard them all |
| [19:38:40] | justinh: | ahhh. grip has done some mighty fine ripping :) |
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| [19:41:27] | justinh: | wonder why myth's ripping was very poor then |
| [19:41:43] | justinh: | is it possible to mistakenly build mythmusic without cdparanoia? |
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| [19:49:18] | GreyFoxx: | gbee: Did you change things to play mp3's directly in the internal player ?\ |
| [19:50:35] | gbee: | not exactly, using libav but not with NVP |
| [19:50:40] | GreyFoxx: | ahhh ok |
| [19:50:56] | GreyFoxx: | I was trying using mythtv /path/to/file.mp3 |
| [19:51:23] | GreyFoxx: | and it appearred to startup and then kick back out |
| [19:51:59] | unimaginative: | sigh, apparently the northbridge cooler on this new P5N7-VM sucks. |
| [19:52:14] | unimaginative: | considering the northbridge has embedded video. |
| [19:52:21] | GreyFoxx: | it looks like getting remote dvd playback is actually gonna be a little rough :) |
| [19:52:27] | gbee: | I'd have liked to use the internal player, if only so we can use the OSD in mythmusic, but it was a little more work than I was prepared for |
| [19:53:21] | gbee: | we already had a libav decoder for WMA in mythmusic, extending that to the other formats was trivial by comparison |
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| [19:59:32] | gbee: | GreyFoxx: spoken to skamithi about it? |
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| [20:00:08] | gbee: | he knows dvdnav and the dvd specific changes in avformatdecoder better than any of us |
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| [20:01:22] | GreyFoxx: | no, just looked at the dvdnav/read stuff... making it play unencrypted discs would be fairly straight forward....... but css stuff just calls libdvdcss to open the device/files and it gets passed the decrypted conent |
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| [20:01:41] | GreyFoxx: | but I'll bug him about it too |
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| [20:02:54] | justinh: | hrm. seems it's no, you can't build mythmusic without cdparanoia even accidentally |
| [20:03:16] | GreyFoxx: | I had hoped dvdnav/read read the content itself and fed it to css rather than css getting it itself |
| [20:05:08] | gbee: | justinh: not a setting to turn off, or adjust the paranoia levels that you missed? |
| [20:05:32] | justinh: | possibly |
| [20:05:57] | justinh: | I'll take another look & try again when I'm less busy |
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| [20:06:09] | justinh: | got 4 machines on the go now :) |
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| [20:06:24] | justinh: | considering slamming another couple of drives in my windows desktop |
| [20:06:31] | gbee: | Ripper Settings, first page, "Paranoia Level" – not sure what it defaults to |
| [20:06:39] | justinh: | I remember maxing that out |
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| [20:07:04] | ** gbee shrugs ** | |
| [20:07:14] | justinh: | the odd glitch I don't mind so much. this was constant hash at regular intervals |
| [20:07:23] | gbee: | weird |
| [20:07:27] | gbee: | flac? |
| [20:07:31] | justinh: | yup |
| [20:07:44] | justinh: | I've ripped with mythmusic before to ogg or mp3 & it was fine |
| [20:08:02] | gbee: | never ripped to flac in mythmusic, only mp3/ogg |
| [20:08:09] | justinh: | anyway.. having got grip to work I quite like it :) |
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| [20:08:23] | justinh: | I see this kind of thing as a job for a desktop app |
| [20:08:47] | justinh: | especially in the kind of volume I'm doing |
| [20:10:23] | justinh: | pity there doesn't seem to be any app that's totally anal about ripping which also does lookups with musicbrainz |
| [20:11:03] | justinh: | unless I'm just missing a gstreamer plugin of course |
| [20:11:05] | gbee: | I just like the convience of having it automatically inserted into the right folder structure and into the database automatically |
| [20:11:22] | justinh: | the database insertions will be the very last thing on the agenda here |
| [20:11:53] | justinh: | when the data's right, all present & correct.. then it's bye bye old music metadata, import the whole library in one swoop |
| [20:12:41] | gbee: | between half to two-thirds of my music purchases in the last year have been downloads anyway |
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| [20:12:56] | justinh: | same here |
| [20:13:13] | justinh: | but that doesn't cover the hundreds of real discs :) |
| [20:13:18] | gbee: | and that's where the 'Import Files' has been a godsend |
| [20:13:39] | justinh: | and most of my purchases have been from iTunes :( |
| [20:13:45] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: I see you've been pretty active over at tmdb |
| [20:13:48] | justinh: | so it's a case of burn a CD, then rip it |
| [20:14:10] | iamlindoro_: | liked the "I wasn't stealing/plaigiarizing/etc" conversation with the guy who copied IMDB wholesale :) |
| [20:14:50] | gbee: | justinh: all my physical CDs were ripped ages ago, recently re-ripped a large number to higher bitrates though, but I don't have hundreds so that wasn't a huge task |
| [20:15:05] | justinh: | I wish :D |
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| [20:15:21] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: wasting my time :) |
| [20:15:25] | justinh: | I've got all mine as naff bitrate mp3s, so they're being culled |
| [20:17:11] | gbee: | I could have pointed out that his "copying doctoral thesis" was way off the mark, when I was at uni you could get booted merely for copying a sentence without attribution |
| [20:17:42] | gbee: | guy just didn't like being called a thief |
| [20:17:58] | iamlindoro_: | yeah |
| [20:18:27] | iamlindoro_: | well, as evidenced recently on the dev list, if you give it a less nasty sounding name people can live with themselves ;) |
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| [20:19:50] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: I've been subscribed for a few days, but got distracted, so haven't been reading... :) |
| [20:20:14] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: The current thread re: releases is 100% childish |
| [20:20:33] | sphery: | I'll have to read at least that one. |
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| [20:21:14] | iamlindoro_: | "[RELEASE] freeze" |
| [20:21:16] | iamlindoro_: | That one |
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| [20:25:07] | iamlindoro_: | So the users list has embarked on another brainstorming session to reinvent the OSD |
| [20:25:23] | gbee: | stop it, you're depressing me |
| [20:25:37] | iamlindoro_: | Heh, sorry :) |
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| [20:26:03] | gbee: | why can't they focus all that energy into useful contributions instead? |
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| [20:26:24] | iamlindoro_: | IT strikes me as a sort of "Hey... you know what'd be cool? If we had a spaceship." "Yeah! With guns on it!" "Yeah!! And a zoo!" |
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| [20:26:41] | justinh: | with ponies! (of course) |
| [20:27:36] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: not to worry. once the mythical mythtv set top box appears out of the ether, by the very power of ideas, everything else will naturally follow |
| [20:27:50] | iamlindoro_: | MythTorrentSTB |
| [20:28:34] | GreyFoxx: | mythslingtorrentflashhulubox |
| [20:28:44] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: Well I heard we were taking a vote on Vector art support in .22 |
| [20:29:12] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: I've already done it, but I lost the patches |
| [20:29:19] | iamlindoro_: | whoops |
| [20:30:57] | iamlindoro_: | http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2009 . . . /247354.html |
| [20:31:34] | iamlindoro_: | Do any of these ideas EVER result in anyone *doing* anything? |
| [20:32:54] | justinh: | again, not a _single_ mockup or detailed description of any aspect |
| [20:34:10] | iamlindoro_: | I actually *do* have some mockups done for the MythUI OSD, that's one I'm looking forward to |
| [20:34:57] | iamlindoro_: | But I somehow suspect that's more than this thread will produce :) |
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| [20:39:55] | sphery: | tifereth: Previously Recorded in the frontend will give you the reason it did not record the 2nd episode even if it's in the past (for up to 10 days) |
| [20:40:09] | sphery: | i.e. check there and tell us what is says and we'll tell you what it means |
| [20:40:31] | ratkid132: | so i changed the theme of mythtv and added some plugins; mythvideo mythweather. and now any menu button that would result in a dialogue does nothing ... any ideas people? thanks |
| [20:40:46] | tifereth: | sphery: okay i see |
| [20:40:59] | tifereth: | it says ( i translate ): sender – manual cancellation |
| [20:42:05] | ratkid132: | i can add detail if it helps |
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| [20:42:25] | sphery: | tifereth: so that says that you (or someone) set it to "Don't Record" this episode |
| [20:42:57] | sphery: | tifereth: Note that if you have MythWeb available through the Internet and it's not properly protected from access (i.e. no password), people sometimes mess with your setup |
| [20:43:14] | tifereth: | no mythweb is only in intranet |
| [20:43:18] | tifereth: | and theres only one frontend |
| [20:43:25] | tifereth: | so its a bit curios |
| [20:44:01] | sphery: | manual cancellation also happens if you're watching LiveTV and it pops up a dialog saying, "Do you want to continue watching LiveTV and cancel the recording" and you say, "Yes." |
| [20:44:13] | sphery: | Or, I've heard that it sometimes happens when you don't... |
| [20:44:27] | tifereth: | well i watched it live |
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| [20:44:38] | tifereth: | but then the popup came and i did nothing |
| [20:44:40] | tifereth: | i think |
| [20:44:44] | sphery: | tifereth: and IIRC, that sometimes was fixed, but if you're running the 0.21 /release/ version of MythTV, it is not fixed. You should be running MythTV 0.21-fixes |
| [20:44:57] | sphery: | where did you get MythTV from? |
| [20:45:03] | tifereth: | mythbuntu |
| [20:45:04] | sphery: | did you compile it yourself or use a package? |
| [20:45:07] | tifereth: | no |
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| [20:45:11] | sphery: | so package... |
| [20:45:14] | tifereth: | mom |
| [20:46:04] | tifereth: | 0.21.0+fixes18772 |
| [20:46:07] | sphery: | I would guess that it had something to do with LiveTV and the popup... If you want to watch a show you're recording as it airs, do so through "Watch Recordings," not through "Watch TV" |
| [20:46:27] | ** kormoc weeps ** | |
| [20:46:30] | sphery: | that version should be new enough to have the fix for the specific issue I remembered |
| [20:46:35] | kormoc: | I need to get off of -users asap |
| [20:46:39] | kormoc: | this is horrid |
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| [20:46:53] | sphery: | kormoc: blame it on iamlindoro_ |
| [20:47:07] | tifereth: | sphery: okay i will try to use watch recordings next time and see if it happens again |
| [20:47:10] | sphery: | (the being on -users, not the state of -users list) |
| [20:47:18] | iamlindoro_: | Both, really |
| [20:47:29] | sphery: | tifereth: that will probably prevent the problem... |
| [20:47:31] | iamlindoro_: | If you believe certain people on the users list, I play various characters on it |
| [20:48:02] | sphery: | tifereth: in the meantime, you may actually have the recording from the LiveTV... Go to Watch Recordings and change the filter to include LiveTV... Note that by default it's deleted 1 day later, so you haven't much time :) |
| [20:48:38] | sphery: | I'm not a user, but I play one on the list... |
| [20:48:53] | iamlindoro_: | I play several! |
| [20:49:15] | tifereth: | well the recording wasn't that important, but thanks anyway |
| [20:49:23] | sphery: | I still haven't installed Myth. I've heard it's too complex, so I'm writing various patches to make the experience easier, then when people say it's easy, I'll install it. |
| [20:49:48] | sphery: | tifereth: cool... good luck with the next recordings |
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| [20:54:06] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: read a bit of freeze thread... see, the problem is that they're doing development on trunk. any worthwhile project knows that all development should be done in branches that get merged to trunk when the new features are 100% ready and completely bug free |
| [20:55:01] | sphery: | the amazing thing, though, is that they're actually contemplating a release |
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| [20:55:29] | iamlindoro_: | That is amazing, given who it is |
| [20:55:50] | sphery: | yeah |
| [20:56:31] | sphery: | I don't envy Diego's job, though... Release manager for ffmpeg/guy to pick on around every release |
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| [20:59:30] | iamlindoro_: | It's funny how the core ffmpeg devs seem to have *such* major problems with one another |
| [20:59:44] | sphery: | yeah |
| [21:00:12] | sphery: | the big difference in that thread compared to some from other, er, local projects, is that the only people posting on it were devs |
| [21:00:34] | sphery: | I guess the threat of bodily harm tactic has some benefits :) |
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| [21:08:55] | justinh: | -users is making me depressed |
| [21:09:37] | justinh: | then again, I make sweeping comments about other programs so I think I'm as guilty |
| [21:09:52] | iamlindoro_: | OK, since it's my fault everyone is on the users list |
| [21:09:55] | justinh: | but I never go to the bother of moaning about stuff on mailing lists & forums though :) |
| [21:10:03] | iamlindoro_: | "HEY, EVERYONE! Let's all unsubscribe from the users list!" |
| [21:10:17] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: I'm subscribed, incase I ever need to post.. but I opt to not receive mails |
| [21:10:42] | iamlindoro_: | That's probably wise |
| [21:10:53] | laga: | i should subscribe and tell it not to send me emails |
| [21:10:59] | laga: | because sometimes i need to send stuff there |
| [21:11:44] | justinh: | hmmm I maybe only have about 50 cased albums left to rip |
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| [21:11:59] | justinh: | though quite a few of those are double CDs |
| [21:12:37] | justinh: | I might have to see about making a discogs cover grabber script for my 12" vinyl recordings |
| [21:13:18] | justinh: | ugh. EAC fails heavily on CDs with data tracks |
| [21:13:27] | justinh: | sync errors, yet grip just eats em up |
| [21:14:20] | RDV_Linux: | iamlindora: Have you examined the impact on mythfrontend's memory footprint when there are large number of Posters referenced by the meta data? Here are a few stats I did while scrolling through mythvideo in Browser view. |
| [21:14:25] | RDV_Linux: | mythfontend inital load memory footprint ~64Mg; Enter browser view ~99Mg; scroll *right arrow key" through 200 videos and mythfrontend footprint is 219Mg; scroll through 600 total videos and then mythfrontend uses 407Mg. The 600 videos have ~98% posters but TV episodes reference the same season poster. |
| [21:14:36] | RDV_Linux: | I mention this as with fan art and banners coming it may be an issue for large collections. |
| [21:14:45] | justinh: | RAM is cheaper than it ever was :) |
| [21:14:49] | justinh: | no excuses necessary |
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| [21:15:17] | justinh: | though if caching was optional, people would soon stump up the necessary memory |
| [21:16:01] | iamlindoro_: | RDV_Linux: Yes, memory footprint will increase dramatically |
| [21:16:15] | iamlindoro_: | RDV_Linux: Do I care about people too cheap to buy a couple gigs? No I do not :) |
| [21:16:20] | justinh: | still how many 1080p stills can you get in 4GB RAM? |
| [21:16:46] | RDV_Linux: | justinh: I see your point but ... |
| [21:17:58] | iamlindoro_: | themes that leverage fanart/banners/etc. will not be for the cheapos, it's just a fact of life |
| [21:18:06] | iamlindoro_: | and using those things is optional and at the discretion of the themer |
| [21:18:09] | justinh: | they want da bling.. they have to pay for da ramz |
| [21:18:10] | RDV_Linux: | iamlindoro: How much free ram do you have and how many mythvideo entries to you have in your collection? |
| [21:18:29] | justinh: | and nobody here will ever make apologies for the filesquirrels.. yarrrrrrrrrr |
| [21:18:42] | iamlindoro_: | RDV_Linux: I've 4 GB in my system, and I'm not tracking its utilization-- It works fine, so I really don't care that much |
| [21:19:05] | iamlindoro_: | RDV_Linux: If people don't have the RAM, they can't run the metadata intensive themes, that's just a fact of life |
| [21:19:05] | RDV_Linux: | justinh: I definitely agree with your bling comment. |
| [21:19:33] | iamlindoro_: | RDV_Linux: And it's always been the case-- blootube used far more ram than its predecessors, and people still managed to use that |
| [21:19:44] | RDV_Linux: | I just wanted to bring it up in case you had not seen the impact. |
| [21:19:46] | justinh: | it needed a gig, MINIMUM |
| [21:20:45] | iamlindoro_: | RDV_Linux: Thats all at the discretion of the themer |
| [21:20:58] | iamlindoro_: | RDV_Linux: If they are aiming for a lightweight theme, they won't be using fanart/etc. |
| [21:20:59] | ** GreyFoxx has > 4000 videos in my archive, hundreds of ripped DVD's and thousands of encoded tv shows ** | |
| [21:21:18] | RDV_Linux: | Looks like I will need to buy more memory as I really like the bling I have seen in the new themes. |
| [21:21:24] | iamlindoro_: | RDV_Linux: But Myth's image cahcing stuff is continually improving and under heavy development right now, so it'll get worked out |
| [21:21:25] | GreyFoxx: | lamost all of the movies have posters but a relatively small amount of T episodes have posters |
| [21:21:42] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: And just wait until you have to go looking for fanart/banners for all of them :) |
| [21:22:55] | RDV_Linux: | I had to edit the fan art downloads as some shows had 28 images with only some being desirable. That killed a few hours. |
| [21:23:38] | iamlindoro_: | RDV_Linux: Well, the new way of doing it in mythvideo will involve a selector to choose from the available options w/ thumbnails |
| [21:24:09] | iamlindoro_: | and as I understand it, will pull stuff down in the background and pop up a notifier for each item to show that decisions are pending |
| [21:24:43] | RDV_Linux: | GreyFoxx: You make my 1600 collection look minuscule. |
| [21:25:22] | GreyFoxx: | RDV_Linux: Well I get to cheat a little sie rips/encodes of my various TV show box sets increases the number a lot |
| [21:25:53] | GreyFoxx: | 10 seasons of stargate *20–22 eps a year, 8 seasons of Small ville * 20 or so , and on and on |
| [21:26:06] | iamlindoro_: | I have 664 items, each with Fanart/posters/banners/screenshots set, and MFE is currently taking about 800 MB |
| [21:27:00] | RDV_Linux: | iamlindoro: A taste of the things to come. |
| [21:27:04] | iamlindoro_: | yep |
| [21:27:13] | iamlindoro_: | I'm not worried |
| [21:27:25] | iamlindoro_: | as I mentioned, if someone wants to use a memory intensive theme, they get to buy memory :) |
| [21:27:33] | iamlindoro_: | and the image caching is a work in progress |
| [21:27:48] | sphery: | too bad memory is so expensive, any more |
| [21:28:24] | RDV_Linux: | I only have 2Gb because Linux is so efficient with hardware. |
| [21:28:54] | iamlindoro_: | A couple gig should still be just fine for the "Average" person, and if the caching stuff gets expiration/threaded preloading then it'll probably become a moot point |
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| [21:29:47] | RDV_Linux: | Interesting conversation, thanks all. |
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| [21:34:06] | iamlindoro_: | I guess I *should* check into the cache size on my 1080p system, but I've not applied those patches in that room as I'm waiting for them to get committed rather than keep the patches current on two systems |
| [21:34:22] | iamlindoro_: | Good thing it's an 8 GB system :) |
| [21:36:01] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Sarcasm noted, btw ;) |
| [21:36:08] | sphery: | :) |
| [21:41:48] | dustybin: | iamlindoro_: do you have any plans to buy any new hardware in the future? |
| [21:41:55] | iamlindoro_: | Nope |
| [21:42:14] | dustybin: | what about one of those sexy little nvidia boxes |
| [21:42:15] | iamlindoro_: | Then again, the future is a long time |
| [21:42:42] | iamlindoro_: | My current boxes are VDPAU capable, and capable of playing all my stuff without VDPAU too, It would be a wasteful expenditure |
| [21:43:12] | dustybin: | Your current box isnt small and sexy |
| [21:43:38] | iamlindoro_: | One box is small and sexy, one box is invisible. Invisible > small |
| [21:43:57] | sphery: | greater or lesser? |
| [21:44:29] | iamlindoro_: | Greater |
| [21:44:46] | sphery: | definitely a "greater idea", but a "lesser profile" |
| [21:45:10] | iamlindoro_: | yes, I was speaking of aesthetics |
| [21:45:17] | iamlindoro_: | invisible trumps small |
| [21:45:18] | sphery: | ignore me, though... just having a semantic day |
| [21:45:52] | sphery: | I agree, though. Invisible is the way to go. |
| [21:46:21] | sphery: | New PSU time... |
| [21:46:48] | iamlindoro_: | And as an ION box (as cool as I find them) will never have the functionality/storage space/etc. of my backend, I'll happily keep my invisible, hugely expandable backend and my nice, Micro ATX Frontend upstairs |
| [21:47:12] | iamlindoro_: | (Which is a bookcase style case on a black shelf and also nearly invisible |
| [21:47:13] | iamlindoro_: | ) |
| [21:48:02] | iamlindoro_: | Though not quite quiet enough, I keep meaning to swap out fans |
| [21:48:42] | iamlindoro_: | The other option is to run DVI and USB in the crawlspace and put some nice little wall plates in under the desk :) That appeals to my do-it-yourselferness |
| [21:48:55] | GreyFoxx: | my main frontend is in the same room as my backends so totaly invisible heh |
| [21:51:27] | dustybin: | my frontend in my bedroom is invisible, as its my backend.. |
| [21:51:36] | dustybin: | o,O |
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| [21:52:31] | justinh: | yeah but how big's your back end, fatty? :P |
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| [21:52:55] | justinh: | my BE box is still big & uber fugly |
| [21:53:05] | justinh: | frontend isn't much better but at least it's not plastic |
| [21:53:11] | alain10: | can anyone help me with hauppauge setup please |
| [21:53:26] | justinh: | what's a hauppauge? |
| [21:53:35] | alain10: | wintv card |
| [21:53:41] | justinh: | and does a hauppauge come with a model number? |
| [21:53:50] | alain10: | 1600 |
| [21:54:07] | justinh: | does said model number have any letters in front of it? |
| [21:54:25] | alain10: | wintv-hvr 1600 |
| [21:54:36] | justinh: | by now I hope you're kinda getting the idea that to receive any kind of help, you have to give as much information as possible |
| [21:55:04] | alain10: | ok |
| [21:55:23] | alain10: | i installed mythtv like on the site |
| [21:55:24] | iamlindoro_: | You also shouldn't ask for volunteers, just ask a specific question and if someone wants to/can help you, they will |
| [21:55:32] | alain10: | ok |
| [21:55:34] | justinh: | such as what you're trying to capture, what you've tried so far... stuff you might've read about, things you've seen recorded in logs (via pasting them in a pastebin) |
| [21:56:05] | alain10: | when i run the mythtv-setup, i get this "no UPnP backends found" |
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| [21:56:46] | alain10: | and then it enters the setup where u can put the localhost ......... |
| [21:56:47] | justinh: | so? |
| [21:57:01] | justinh: | what have you done to verify the tuner card actually works on your system? |
| [21:57:12] | justinh: | have you consulted the mythtv wiki at all? ;) |
| [21:57:21] | alain10: | i put in the localhost name and make sure everything is same as in the .txt file |
| [21:57:28] | alain10: | yes i did |
| [21:57:52] | justinh: | you don't put hostnames in there. I know it says 'hostname' but you really shouldn't |
| [21:58:07] | justinh: | IP addresses |
| [21:58:21] | justinh: | I dunno how that ever escaped being put right, but erm... |
| [21:58:56] | alain10: | but still cant get by that , it cant find database host on network |
| [21:59:24] | justinh: | I strongly urge you to read an install guide for mythtv on your distro |
| [21:59:33] | justinh: | that's _STRONGLY_ |
| [21:59:44] | justinh: | mythtv is no point & click install process |
| [22:00:23] | iamlindoro_: | http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MythTV_HOWTO |
| [22:00:27] | iamlindoro_: | Looks promising |
| [22:00:49] | justinh: | why not just grab knoppmyth? I hear that's now based on arch |
| [22:01:06] | iamlindoro_: | Not out yet |
| [22:01:13] | alain10: | i did all what it says there |
| [22:01:15] | iamlindoro_: | (and we have to get used to calling it LinHES) |
| [22:02:33] | laga: | huh |
| [22:02:37] | laga: | knoppmyth name change? |
| [22:02:49] | justinh: | yup |
| [22:02:56] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.linhes.org/ |
| [22:02:57] | iamlindoro_: | yep |
| [22:03:01] | iamlindoro_: | too slow :( |
| [22:05:18] | psipsi: | R6 should be available at SCALE (end of Feb) |
| [22:05:24] | laga: | oh, one of the knoppmyth developers passed away last year. |
| [22:05:39] | GreyFoxx: | /wi cesman |
| [22:05:52] | GreyFoxx: | oops |
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| [22:05:59] | alain10: | when i try to import the database structure, it askes me for a passworkd |
| [22:06:05] | GreyFoxx: | was just checkng since Ihadn't see him talk in a while |
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| [22:06:22] | iamlindoro_: | alain10: Well without doing that step, you can't expect all the ones after it to work... |
| [22:06:34] | iamlindoro_: | ie, myth can't connect to a database that you failed to create... |
| [22:07:09] | iamlindoro_: | You can *try* the mysql line without the -p |
| [22:07:20] | iamlindoro_: | otherwise you'll need to find out what the arch default root mysql password is |
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| [22:07:42] | alain10: | i put in the password , still Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost |
| [22:08:10] | iamlindoro_: | alain10: The *mysql* user password? |
| [22:08:20] | iamlindoro_: | They are different from linux passwords... |
| [22:09:32] | iamlindoro_: | anyway, you should follow that up in your distro's channel (ask them "How do I set the mysql root user password, I just installed mysql using pacman") |
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| [22:21:38] | sphery: | justinh: though it still says "host name or IP address", host names actually now work in trunk :) |
| [22:22:04] | sphery: | so, it's one of those things where since we never fixed it we don't have to fix it again now that Qt changed :) |
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| [22:23:21] | iamlindoro_: | Laziness wins aga... Oooh, something shiny! |
| [22:24:08] | sphery: | procrastination is king |
| [22:24:26] | laga: | procrastination is evil |
| [22:24:48] | iamlindoro_: | Procrastination is.... Aw, never mind, I'll tell you later |
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| [22:34:41] | Exposure: | TV Error: Failed to get recording show list |
| [22:34:46] | Exposure: | what's up with that? |
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| [22:35:34] | sphery: | broken DB config/network/DB server/mythfilldatabase config/video source config/input connections/... |
| [22:36:09] | sphery: | but that's just a sampling of the most popular causes |
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| [22:38:00] | Exposure: | no kidding |
| [22:38:39] | justinh: | another popular one is PEBCAK |
| [22:39:00] | Exposure: | yeah, isn't this supposed to be a user help channel? |
| [22:39:35] | justinh: | hey you came in here asking about one of the most common error messages without giving any other information |
| [22:39:54] | justinh: | and er.. this is IRC. you get what you pay for |
| [22:40:16] | Exposure: | never mind |
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| [22:58:51] | ** cesman wonders what GreyFoxx would like to hear him say ;) ** | |
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| [23:12:23] | sphery: | justinh: I guess I should have shelled in to Exposure's Myth box, checked its config, then told him what's wrong. |
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| [23:22:47] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, stop being such a lazy jerk |
| [23:23:11] | sphery: | I need to figure out a way to get iamlindoro_ to buy a Kill-A-Watt so he can measure power usage while playing back each of MPEG-2 and H.264 using software decode and VDPAU... |
| [23:23:41] | iamlindoro: | It's somewhere between zero and "Still barely affording the power bill" |
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| [23:25:34] | sphery: | I've been measuring my master backend's (at the wall) power usage and it was quite enlightening. Athlon XP 2400+ system with 2 1.5TB HDD's and 1 750GB HDD and 2 pcHDTV HD-3000's and 1 NVIDIA GF6200 runs at almost exactly 4kWh/day while running BOINC/SETI@home. 3.625kWh/day without BOINC. |
| [23:26:08] | sphery: | Just switched from a garbage PSU to an Antec Earthwatt 80 PLUS and starting measurements. Will have data in a few days. |
| [23:27:15] | sphery: | But at 3.5–4kWh/day, we're talking $10.50 to $12.00/mo (assuming $0.10/kWh). |
| [23:27:40] | sphery: | I think Cap'n M's backend WOL patch could be a big money saver. |
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| [23:30:13] | sphery: | What I really need is a Kill-A-Watt that has some sort of serial/network/USB connection so that I can have my computer take readings and do calculations without manual intervention... |
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| [23:32:57] | clever: | sphery: give Dibblah a poke, he knows how to do that stuff |
| [23:34:57] | sphery: | really... |
| [23:35:33] | sphery: | I've been surfing the net looking for something like a kill-a-watt with a computer interface, but haven't found any |
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| [23:38:25] | iamlindoro: | Hmmm, are you not allowed to be an important banker/businessman in the UK without being a lord/knight/etc.? |
| [23:38:32] | iamlindoro: | (semi-serious question) |
| [23:38:57] | iamlindoro: | I'm looking at this financial news from the BBC and all the bank heads are "Sir x" and "Lord y" |
| [23:39:12] | sphery: | kind of like how you're not allowed to be an important politician here in the US if you pay your taxes? |
| [23:39:22] | iamlindoro: | yes, like that |
| [23:39:51] | iamlindoro: | Or how you can't be a republican without an unhealthy desire for young boys and an affinity for bathroom stalls |
| [23:40:07] | sphery: | tap, tap, tap |
| [23:40:11] | Dibblah: | sphery: UK? |
| [23:40:21] | sphery: | I'm in the US... |
| [23:40:35] | sphery: | But if you have info on a UK device, I might be able to find the US equivalent... |
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| [23:41:16] | Dibblah: | There's a few options. |
| [23:42:13] | ** sphery imagines beautiful graphs like stuarta's RAM usage graphs ** | |
| [23:42:40] | iamlindoro: | Some of that home automation stuff *has* to fit the bill |
| [23:42:58] | Dibblah: | sphery: Nah. http://pendor.org/power/ |
| [23:44:10] | Dibblah: | This is done the DIY way – Current transformer, voltage transformer, resistive divider and soundcard (!) with some custom ALSA stuff behind it to do the power calculation. |
| [23:44:22] | sphery: | nice |
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| [23:44:54] | sphery: | where did you learn the DIY part? |
| [23:45:16] | iamlindoro: | Heh, easy to tell when you went out of town (or forgot to pay your power bill) |
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| [23:45:29] | Dibblah: | sphery: I made it up :( :( |
| [23:45:47] | sphery: | didn't write up the HOWTO? :) |
| [23:45:48] | Dibblah: | It's completely the wrong way to do it. |
| [23:46:09] | laga: | why? |
| [23:46:20] | Dibblah: | Since it's technically possible for a failure to induce line-level input to a sound card. |
| [23:46:27] | laga: | eeek |
| [23:46:40] | Dibblah: | Which is one reason I didn't write it up. The other being I'm lazy. |
| [23:46:53] | sphery: | I have to admit that wiring things that hook into the mains scares me... |
| [23:47:05] | Dibblah: | The other way is with an electrisave and reading the air protocol. |
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| [23:47:22] | sphery: | I was hoping for a P3 International Kill-A-Watt USB or something... :) |
| [23:47:26] | iamlindoro: | Haaaahahahaha http://www.x10.com/homepage.htm |
| [23:47:32] | iamlindoro: | Now that's sales |
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| [23:47:40] | sphery: | I'd be much more comfortable writing up some Linux drivers for it than wiring up hardware. |
| [23:48:00] | sphery: | heh, X10 |
| [23:48:15] | Dibblah: | sphery: Or, if you can find an equivalent of https://www.ecogadgetshop.co.uk/ProductDetail . . . p;Category=1 |
| [23:48:24] | Dibblah: | That has a serial port. |
| [23:48:25] | sphery: | and when they make remotes called, "Lola", it fits in with their sales style... |
| [23:49:21] | sphery: | hmmm... There should be similar "eco" websites for the US... |
| [23:49:36] | iamlindoro: | I have no problem with this sales style |
| [23:49:48] | iamlindoro: | more PC stuff should be sold by near naked chicks |
| [23:50:08] | iamlindoro: | And if they're dressed as a french maid, hey, it's a free country |
| [23:50:28] | Dibblah: | sphery: http://board.homeseer.com/showthread.php?t=120301 |
| [23:50:32] | laga: | i thought you'd sell guns with naked chicks |
| [23:50:41] | iamlindoro: | that's fine too |
| [23:50:56] | sphery: | Dibblah: I guess I just needed to search with the terms "smart home" and "eco" |
| [23:51:05] | Dibblah: | Unfortunately, that gives _very_ poor resolution. |
| [23:51:06] | sphery: | now I'm finding a ton of sutff |
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| [23:54:25] | sphery: | http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/09/contr . . . th-plogg.php is interesting... |
| [23:55:57] | iamlindoro: | Ugh, collection calls for Luong Pham, that's fun |
| [23:56:15] | iamlindoro: | Damn my Vietnamese alter ego |
| [23:56:34] | sphery: | Did you get transferred to Collections, like Dilbert? |
| [23:57:03] | iamlindoro: | No, I don't pick up unsolicited 800 numbers usually |
| [23:57:24] | iamlindoro: | just checking messages-- but it's irritating because it means I'll have to deal with them and get them to agree that I am indeed *not* Luong Pham |
| [23:58:31] | sphery: | heh |
| [23:58:47] | sphery: | I get collections calls for other people whose names are the same as mine |
| [23:58:49] | sphery: | that's fun |
| [23:59:00] | laga: | what is a collection call? |
| [23:59:02] | iamlindoro: | "No, I *am* him... but I'm *not* him!" |
| [23:59:13] | iamlindoro: | laga, creditors calling to harass people into paying debts |
| [23:59:24] | laga: | ah |
| [23:59:25] | laga: | sweet |
| [23:59:42] | laga: | just don't call back? |
| [23:59:43] | iamlindoro: | laga, They are *very* agressive usually and call non-stop every few minuts from pre-dawn until late in some particularly bad cases |
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| [23:59:56] | sphery: | here in the US, when someone doesn't pay a bill (often to a creditor or a health provider), they may sell the bill to a collections agency for some smaller amount |
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