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| [00:39:58] | atmaweapn: | can mythvideo not see videos over a certain size? it's able to see all the files in one of my directories except for one. the only difference i can see with this file and the rest is that it's larger than any other file i have in my vids dir (2.2 GB). |
| [00:40:13] | hads: | Won't be that. |
| [00:41:26] | atmaweapn: | hmm, then i'm out of ideas =/. it's mkv, but mythvideo detected other mkv files just fine. |
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| [00:43:00] | wagnerrp: | do you happen to have these files on a FAT32 file system? |
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| [00:44:06] | wagnerrp: | oh come on... |
| [00:44:17] | wagnerrp: | anyone coming from 'shavedgoats' deserves to be permabanned |
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| [00:45:09] | atmaweapn: | not a fat32 filesystem |
| [00:45:29] | jams: | wagnerrp- there is something to be said for that |
| [00:45:52] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [00:46:10] | mishehu: | jams: please just warn me next time. I do not remember from day-to-day that the channel has a strict policy on vulgar language, even if in jest and not directed at anybody |
| [00:46:14] | mishehu: | no need to ban me. |
| [00:46:47] | mishehu: | is there a web page for channel rules btw? |
| [00:47:28] | ** xris suggests reading the topic ** | |
| [00:47:55] | mishehu: | ok it's in between |
| [00:48:02] | mishehu: | gets lost in the eyes. |
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| [00:48:40] | xris: | and it doesn't say. looks like a lot of info got lost when it moved from Beirdo's page into the main wiki |
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| [00:49:21] | mishehu: | yeah there's no "code of conduct" type stuff on that page |
| [00:49:51] | atmaweapn: | any other thoughts on mythvideo not being able to detect this one file? |
| [00:50:34] | mishehu: | might be a good idea to put that up, then anytime somebody behaves in a way that is contrary to channel guidelines you can beat them over the head with the URL and tell them to read or get a temp ban |
| [00:50:37] | mishehu: | or whatever. |
| [00:50:43] | jams: | mishehu- you were warned several times, even kicked as an extra warning. But with instant autojoin the kick was meaningless, hence the shortterm ban. |
| [00:51:03] | mishehu: | jams: I had already stepped away from my desk when you kiced |
| [00:51:05] | mishehu: | kicked |
| [00:51:34] | mishehu: | jams: and I only said like 3 sentences today, and I've not said anything in the channel for probably 2 weeks prior. I have a lot going in my life and sometimes I forget things. |
| [00:52:15] | mishehu: | plus I was still banned when I got back to my desk several hours later... not exactly temporary. |
| [00:53:41] | mishehu: | what I'm saying is that perhaps for somebody like me, who's been in this channel for several years, maybe the response was disproportionate to the offense, and a simple remind and a posting of the channel code of conduct on that wiki page would be a much better approach. |
| [00:54:44] | mishehu: | I can't promise you I might never let a swear word slip here. if I do it again in 3 months just say "hey mishehu, we have a strict no-swearing policy here, go review the rules on the wiki page" and I'll stop. |
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| [00:58:24] | mishehu: | so I ask that the "op committee" or however you guys work here put the code of conduct up, and even spell out if typing out a swear word with a deliberate mispelling or an * in place of a letter(s) is allowed either. |
| [00:58:31] | mzb_xps_: | mishehu: http://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml |
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| [00:58:49] | mzb_xps_: | if you can't watch your "mouth" then this # is obviously the wrong place for you |
| [00:58:50] | jams: | That was done several times, but it's obvious that it didn't work. Having a ban of 3–4 hours is temp. Most bans are for 24 hours to life. |
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| [01:00:24] | mishehu: | mzb_xps_: I didn't realize that every channel on freenode had the exact same code of conduct |
| [01:00:32] | mzb_xps_: | they don't |
| [01:00:57] | mishehu: | mzb_xps_: my point exactly, so that doesn't exactly help with specific code of conduct here in this channel |
| [01:01:05] | jamesd: | they so don't have the same code... some even allow perl to be posted ;-) |
| [01:01:37] | mzb_xps_: | heh |
| [01:01:40] | mzb_xps_: | http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channelpolicy |
| [01:02:00] | mishehu: | jams: I'm sorry, I have about 10 million things going on in my life, so I think it's rather rude to a long time channel regular to not give the benefit of the doubt and expect that he remember something from 3 months ago, when this channel seems to be in the minority regarding this specific policy. |
| [01:02:05] | mishehu: | anyway, I've got to go eat. |
| [01:02:19] | mzb_xps_: | mishehu: as I general rule, I think it's best to "watch what you say" in a situation that is new to you ... until you learn otherwise |
| [01:02:38] | mzb_xps_: | hint: that would pretty much apply to any social situation |
| [01:03:34] | mzb_xps_: | s/as I/as a |
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| [01:21:05] | jcs: | my scheduler seems to be choosing to record a later showing of grey's anatomy (airs a fews days later) other than the first showing even though there are no conflicts... any idea what i can change to make it stop doing this? |
| [01:23:36] | hads: | Remove the schedule and re-schedule using the showing you prefer. |
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| [01:28:07] | jcs: | okay, along those lines i changed it from "record new episodes" to "record new episodes first showing" |
| [01:28:11] | jcs: | thx hads |
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| [01:45:34] | mishehu: | mzb_xps_: my tenure in this channel long predates the last time Beirdo said more than a sentence or two on the channel. things were not always like this |
| [01:45:42] | mishehu: | jams: are you still here? |
| [01:47:51] | mishehu: | I even at one time had set up a VoIP conference for this channel, which a few people (but not enough) had used. Beirdo even had it in the topic back then. back then there really wasnt an anti-swearing policy, at least nothing official and nothing that was zero tolerance. it was mostly up to the op(s) on hand at the time to use their descretion. |
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| [01:55:56] | mishehu: | I must say that I am disappointed about how hard-headed this community has become. maybe things weren't so great before, but going extreme to extreme isn't good either. nor are zero tolerance policies. I dont' recall zero tolerance policies really working for the police either... |
| [01:56:03] | mishehu: | </rant> |
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| [01:59:44] | tank-man: | apparently it isn't zero tolerance cause you are still here :) |
| [02:00:56] | mishehu: | tank-man: well it is in the sense that I was kicked and banned with no warning for today. I was warned about this several months ago, and I'm not just some troll or newb around here. |
| [02:02:14] | mishehu: | that all being said, I have more productive things to do than continue ranting. |
| [02:02:26] | Dagmar: | Misleading statements: You admitted you weren't there, so you could not have been 'banned with no warning' |
| [02:02:34] | jams: | mishehu- It's not exactly zero tolerance, and it's been around from day one. I'm not going to say much else about it. |
| [02:03:12] | mishehu: | jams: day one? it wasn't most certainly not. if it was it was never enforced until the first time that you told me about it, and when that happened I didn't even know who you were or that you were even an op here. |
| [02:03:24] | mishehu: | it was most certainly not I mean. |
| [02:04:33] | mishehu: | and yes, I probably got a little smartaleky with you about it because honestly, I thougt you were just some channel user trying to speakw ith the voice of authority in the channel. but that is already history, that was several months ago when that occured. |
| [02:04:48] | mzb_xps_: | common courtesy dictates that you mind your manners, common sense determines that some parents might object to their children learning that bad language is acceptable in a public channel |
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| [02:04:58] | mishehu: | mzb_xps_: manners are subjective. |
| [02:05:29] | mzb_xps_: | hmm ... looks like you've discovered the limit to "acceptable", either way |
| [02:05:30] | mishehu: | there is not one single set of rules that defines what manners are. they are very often culturally and demographically influenced. |
| [02:05:33] | iamlindoro: | Without adding my opinion on matters, we're 1:25 into it, why don't we move on? |
| [02:05:47] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: what has he backported this time? |
| [02:06:16] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, We wants to co-opt newl-y submitted MythVideo grabber scripts for his file-squirreling command line batch update scripts |
| [02:06:33] | mishehu: | mzb_xps_: well, come to #freeswitch sometime as an observer, you'll see an occasional swear word there from somebody other than me, and it will be tolerated. and most of the core devs on that project are american. |
| [02:06:36] | mishehu: | anyway, must go. |
| [02:06:40] | mishehu: | I said my $10 worth |
| [02:06:42] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, Rather than put one iota of effort towards getting Mythvideo to a point where they wouldn't be needed at all |
| [02:06:55] | gbee: | mishehu: even devs have been kicked from here for not watching their language, you're in good company |
| [02:07:04] | iamlindoro: | And some have kicked themselves ;) |
| [02:07:20] | ** mzb_xps_ slaps himself silly ** | |
| [02:08:07] | mishehu: | jams: can you clarify for me please, is it alright to replace a letter in a swear word with *, like sp*t instead of spit? |
| [02:08:18] | Dagmar: | You can't kick yourself. |
| [02:08:21] | Dagmar: | It won't let you. |
| [02:08:25] | iamlindoro: | yes, it will |
| [02:08:30] | Dagmar: | I had to test that actually |
| [02:08:43] | iamlindoro: | Have seen it myself, it's very doable |
| [02:08:50] | Dagmar: | Try it. |
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| [02:09:00] | iamlindoro: | tadaaaaaa |
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| [02:09:12] | iamlindoro: | *cough* |
| [02:09:16] | Dagmar: | What the hell |
| [02:09:22] | gbee: | I'm not 'merican and don't share their cultural sensitivity to bad language, if I'm honest they I doubt any bad language seen in here would be new to youngsters of any nation, most of them probably use vastly worse language ;) |
| [02:09:26] | jams: | it's possible |
| [02:09:31] | Dagmar: | The server totally freaking ignores me when I try it |
| [02:09:50] | mishehu: | jams: clarifiction please, then I will leave everybody in here in peace and quiet for a while and go take out my frustrations on a php5 project |
| [02:10:19] | Dagmar: | I must have gotten the format of the raw command wrong |
| [02:12:38] | mishehu: | about whether writing sp*t instead of spit is allowed (and you know what I really mean) |
| [02:12:52] | jams: | mishehu- it's not that hard of concept, your whining is really starting to annoy me I suggest you go work on your php project and come back another day. |
| [02:13:08] | Dagmar: | If you self-filter no one should have a major problem with it |
| [02:14:29] | Dagmar: | ...unl*ss of c**rse y*u us* s* m*ny of th*m it l**ks like you were r**s*d by m*rch*nt m*r*n*s. |
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| [02:24:48] | Buggaboo: | hi guys |
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| [02:25:02] | duiu: | If I want a tuner that recieves digital over the air TV, I want one that supports ATSC, correct? |
| [02:25:20] | Buggaboo: | Is it always better to get 2 mpeg hardware encoding cards? One for watching, and another for recording, or simultaneous recording? Or should I just get any ol' budget software encoding tuner |
| [02:26:07] | sphery: | Buggaboo: for analog TV capture, hardware mpeg encoders are much easier |
| [02:26:34] | sphery: | duiu: if you're in the US, then, yes, you need an ATSC card for OTA |
| [02:26:45] | duiu: | sphery: Yup, thanks |
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| [02:27:03] | sphery: | and, both of you need cards that are supported by V4L, have GNU/Linux drivers, and work with Myth. |
| [02:27:33] | Buggaboo: | I'm going for hauppauge pvr 150s. |
| [02:28:02] | sphery: | that's the one to get--or the Hauppauge PVR-500 (which is basically 2 PVR-150's on a single board/single PCI slot) |
| [02:28:12] | sphery: | ^^^IMHO |
| [02:28:29] | Buggaboo: | nice. |
| [02:28:31] | sphery: | I think there are some newer ones that kind-of work, but don't know how good the Linux/Myth support are |
| [02:28:53] | sphery: | (newer meaning HVR-x000, but for them, find someone who knows their current state of support) |
| [02:29:20] | iamlindoro: | opinions vary ;) |
| [02:29:23] | Buggaboo: | There must be some wiki out there that tries to document this... |
| [02:29:40] | gbee: | linuxtv.org |
| [02:29:43] | Buggaboo: | Is there something like software dvb decoding? |
| [02:31:49] | gbee: | Buggaboo: mythtv works with DVB-T, DVB-C, DVB-S cards and if you have FTA (unencrypted) DVB that's probably what you want instead of a PVR-150 |
| [02:31:54] | Buggaboo: | the fourier stuff could be offloaded to the shaders I'm thinking... I have no clue how those things work. |
| [02:32:07] | sphery: | you mean hardware decoding? |
| [02:32:47] | Dagmar: | http://www.hulu.com/watch/56636/saturday-nigh . . . chael-phelps |
| [02:32:50] | Buggaboo: | yeah, somewhat theoretical... if one has a spanky output card. |
| [02:32:52] | Dagmar: | wrong chan |
| [02:33:36] | jams: | Dagmar- it is a good clip |
| [02:33:59] | gbee: | DVB cards handle the immediate translation of the raw signal into an mpeg transport stream which is then parsed by MythTV using the bare minimum of CPU to obtain the video/audio/subtitle and data services including EIT (EPG) |
| [02:34:28] | Buggaboo: | oh. I was thinking in analog... |
| [02:34:38] | Buggaboo: | no fourier then. |
| [02:34:48] | sphery: | if so, there's XvMC (which does motion compensation (MC) and/or inverse discrete cosine transform (iDCT) on the GPU), then there's the new updated xvmc (which is still in the design stages), then there's XvBA for ATI (not yet announced), then there's VDPAU for NVIDIA (which is currently being added to Myth), then there's VA-API (Intel's idea for a vendor-agnostic replacement for XvMC that Intel's upset ATI/NVIDIA didn't wait for) |
| [02:35:13] | sphery: | Oh, and Via VLD? (Though I'm not sure about that--don't know anything about Via) |
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| [02:35:25] | Dagmar: | jams: Frankly, I was just glad to see someone in media say something not-retarded about the situation |
| [02:35:32] | sphery: | Not to mention some OpenGL-based approaches using the shaders |
| [02:35:36] | Buggaboo: | shpery, dude, you can type quick. |
| [02:35:45] | Buggaboo: | ly. |
| [02:35:49] | sphery: | man on a mission :) |
| [02:36:09] | Cyberai: | ok, stupid question... What's the difference between the backend password, and the backend access PIN? And where can I find the PIN on the backend if I'm not in front of it and only have terminal access? |
| [02:36:54] | Cyberai: | nevermind, I'm an idiot. I found it |
| [02:36:57] | Cyberai: | thansk guys |
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| [02:37:05] | Buggaboo: | The access to dvb is encrypted (we have a box with a card), so I don't think mythtv will cut it, in the Netherlands btw. |
| [02:37:16] | iamlindoro: | ... and like that, he walked out of my life... |
| [02:37:20] | sphery: | Cyberai: PIN is used to allow a client to connect to the backend (because once connected to a backend, you can request DB connection info, so could go to town on the DB) |
| [02:37:24] | sphery: | and it's in config.xml |
| [02:37:33] | jams: | sphery- he left |
| [02:37:35] | sphery: | and I can't type fast /enough/, it seems |
| [02:38:46] | sphery: | If I had a nickel for every time someone left before I could send the answer to their question, I'd have $0.20 |
| [02:38:57] | iamlindoro: | (for today) |
| [02:39:14] | sphery: | no, most of the time I'm quick enough or their patient enough |
| [02:39:44] | sphery: | I just remember 4. (The most annoying being the ones who then open invalid tickets because I didn't get a chance to tell them what they're doing wrong.) |
| [02:40:28] | Buggaboo: | pchdtv looks like a cool open source hardware endeavour, am I right? |
| [02:40:39] | Buggaboo: | A bit on the expensive side. |
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| [02:40:48] | sphery: | It's definitely the expensive way to go, right now... |
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| [02:41:09] | sphery: | It's ATSC, only... Did you say you're DVB? If not, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815100039 |
| [02:41:42] | sphery: | not that I'm recommending that... If you buy it, I am not responsible for problems you may have with it. |
| [02:41:45] | sphery: | and all that. |
| [02:42:42] | ** sphery goes back to deciding whether to buy 2 $50 A180's to see if the low signal strength on his 4 HD-3000's is just due to age ** | |
| [02:42:44] | Buggaboo: | ofeck, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_PVR-500 -> EOL in the Netherlands :( |
| [02:43:10] | sphery: | Buggaboo: yeah, EOL everywhere, I think. The HVR-x000's replace them. |
| [02:43:16] | sphery: | In the US, ebay is your friend. |
| [02:43:30] | sphery: | (might also be a friend for Netherlands, too) |
| [02:43:37] | Buggaboo: | :P |
| [02:43:54] | sphery: | so, I guess you are DVB or analog (so I'm pretty sure the HD-5500 won't work for you) |
| [02:44:23] | Buggaboo: | In the meantime, analog will still work, we're not itching to go digital (yet). |
| [02:44:32] | sphery: | since you don't want to use the analog side of an HD-5500 (it's a frame grabber, which requires software enccoding) |
| [02:45:26] | sphery: | Oh, and if you do get a PVR-150/500 on ebay, make sure you verify the standard--you probably want some PAL thing (and most on ebay are probably NTSC) |
| [02:45:53] | Buggaboo: | o man... I thought those cards support everything... |
| [02:46:03] | Buggaboo: | okay, thanks for the heads-up. |
| [02:46:37] | Buggaboo: | aha, found a hau... wintv nova t 500. |
| [02:47:08] | sphery: | I had 1 PAL PVR-150, 1 NTSC PVR-150, 1 NTSC PVR-250, and 1 NTSC PVR-350, so I"m sure they come in 2 different types. (The PAL one was a mistake--but not mine--though I was told to keep it, anyway.) |
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| [02:48:01] | sphery: | might be more PAL types, too (as I never really paid attention whether the PAL one supports all PAL variants or if different PAL cards were needed for different variants) |
| [02:48:49] | Buggaboo: | it's pal here in NL. |
| [02:49:02] | Buggaboo: | If I am to believe this -> http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:CkSrcwccc . . . nt=firefox-a |
| [02:52:36] | sphery: | Yeah, but there's like PAL-G and PAL-I and PAL-B and stuff, IIRC. |
| [02:52:59] | Buggaboo: | omfg. But there is one decoder that rules them all right? |
| [02:53:01] | sphery: | I don't remember if the Hauppauge PVR-xx0 cards that support PAL support all of them. |
| [02:53:34] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/PAL |
| [02:54:20] | Buggaboo: | nice. |
| [02:55:28] | sphery: | according to amazon (FWIW): Note: There are two models of WinTV-PVR-150: one for NTSC television and one for PAL television. The PAL model supports PAL I, PAL B/G, Secam and PAL D/K. http://www.amazon.com/Hauppauge-WinTV-PVR-150 . . . p/B00064GI2O |
| [02:56:00] | Buggaboo: | ah, excellent. |
| [02:56:01] | gbee: | education is failing our youngsters, there are people out there who believe that because content to a site is user submitted that copyright doesn't apply and they can use it without permission |
| [02:56:02] | sphery: | that probably covers yours |
| [02:56:15] | ** Buggaboo nods ** | |
| [02:56:29] | ** Buggaboo goes to troll the dutch mythtv site/forum/wiki ** | |
| [02:56:31] | Dagmar: | This is why there need to be more beatings. |
| [02:56:48] | Dagmar: | About once a year at least, there needs to be a beating adminstered. |
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| [02:56:55] | sphery: | gbee: the sad part is that people submit stuff to those sites not realizing they are signing over copyright of their submission to the IMD^H^H^Hthe site |
| [02:56:58] | Buggaboo: | Dagmar, more beatings on the genitalia of the parents, so they won't make that mistake twice. |
| [02:57:00] | Dagmar: | You don't need a reason, if you can't come up with one the answer is "YOU KNOW WHAT YOU DID!" |
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| [02:58:44] | gbee: | sphery: aye and even when they aren't signing over their rights, those rights don't cease to exist so that anyone can copy and use it |
| [02:59:17] | sphery: | that's definitely true (and, as you mention, not well understood) |
| [03:00:10] | sphery: | So, I'm not going to finish my patch today... 3hr distraction during my allotted Myth coding time was too much (and I'm too hungry to keep coding). |
| [03:01:31] | oobe: | hey was hoping someon might be able to help me im having problems with live tv and scheduled recordings all of a sudden probably an update what seems to happen is when i record somthing it can not create or locate the mpg file its capturing also when i try to watch tv it times out and does the same thing here is my backend log it shows that it is confused about the location of the mpg file i can not locate it myself http://pastebin.com/m2771aeec any |
| [03:01:32] | oobe: | ideas |
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| [03:02:47] | Dagmar: | Periods are cool? You should maybe try using some. |
| [03:04:00] | jamesd: | why? my wife has one every month, that is more than enough for me |
| [03:04:42] | oobe: | Dagmar, thanks for that now im halfway, there |
| [03:05:08] | oobe: | all i need to do now is solve somthing more important than grammer |
| [03:05:09] | Dagmar: | Dude I can't make out what you're trying to say in that giant briar patch of a sentence. |
| [03:05:24] | oobe: | ok fair enough |
| [03:05:35] | Dagmar: | Since NO ONE ELSE is even paying attention to you, you should STFU and make an attempt to be coherent. |
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| [03:06:12] | oobe: | yeah i will try to explain it better in a few points |
| [03:06:17] | Dagmar: | If I could tell what you were trying to say, I wouldn't care about the lack of periods. |
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| [03:06:39] | oobe: | last night i started a scheduled recording that ended up at 0 bytes |
| [03:07:07] | Dagmar: | Okay, so that could be a bunch of things but most likely driver issues |
| [03:07:28] | oobe: | i checked the backend logs and it says i cannot find the file /GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/ |
| [03:07:37] | Dagmar: | Backend starts recording by opening the file and initializeing the tuner, tuner initialization fails, file already instantated, tuner closes. |
| [03:07:54] | oobe: | Dagmar, if it were a driver issue i wouldnt be here i would fix it before it was broke |
| [03:08:09] | oobe: | i hadnt finished |
| [03:08:19] | oobe: | i was spoon feeding you remember ? |
| [03:08:26] | Dagmar: | Well, keep going. I'm just trying to identify the problem domain as we go along |
| [03:08:35] | oobe: | ok ty |
| [03:08:51] | Dagmar: | ...and honestly if you knew exactly what was wrong you'd have already fixed it so let's not be so hasty to rule certain things out |
| [03:09:31] | Dagmar: | So now we need a symptom that gives us something to intersect two domains |
| [03:10:22] | oobe: | Dagmar, hold on that may not be so crazy let me test the tuner in other software i cant see a reason it as i havent changed my kernel etc. |
| [03:10:38] | Dagmar: | There is always the possibility of outright hardware failures |
| [03:10:43] | Dagmar: | Unpleasant but there it is |
| [03:12:06] | Dagmar: | So you won't feel the least bit bad about the giant run on, here's the _worst_ thing I've seen today |
| [03:12:06] | Dagmar: | https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-l . . . sg00293.html |
| [03:12:30] | oobe: | Dagmar, you know what you nearly right |
| [03:12:38] | oobe: | i think i knocked out the antenna |
| [03:12:41] | oobe: | hold on |
| [03:13:05] | oobe: | sorry i havent slept |
| [03:13:20] | Dagmar: | No problem |
| [03:13:36] | oobe: | that was meant as an excuse and apology for being abrupt |
| [03:13:50] | Dagmar: | Seriously, don't worry about it |
| [03:13:54] | oobe: | not so much the silly woops my antenna isnt plugged |
| [03:14:08] | Dagmar: | If it's just an antenna disconnect then that's good news |
| [03:14:20] | Dagmar: | We didn't have to go a'romping through kernel debug logs or anything crazy |
| [03:14:41] | oobe: | you know why i thought it was somthing more serious cause it usually is and i changed some ram last night with out unplugging any of my cables it must of fell out |
| [03:15:03] | oobe: | yeah i was already looking at logs |
| [03:15:27] | oobe: | and i often break a working mythtv with my mythbuntu updates |
| [03:15:35] | Dagmar: | Lines 31–33 of your pastebin were lookin' kinda dire |
| [03:15:38] | oobe: | just configuration stuff |
| [03:15:53] | oobe: | let me test now its plugged in |
| [03:16:06] | Dagmar: | You may have found another bug anyway |
| [03:16:18] | oobe: | really |
| [03:16:20] | Dagmar: | THe log looks like it *did* actually start a recording for channel 7 |
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| [03:16:45] | oobe: | yeah but it thinks it did but has no TS stream to dump |
| [03:16:46] | Buggaboo: | woah. I'm looking at spending ?450 or something... this htpc things is for rich people |
| [03:16:49] | Dagmar: | ...or at least tried, although I don't know if it would be logging the failure there |
| [03:17:13] | Dagmar: | Buggaboo: There's very few HTPC cases that cost less than $100 |
| [03:17:28] | Dagmar: | They do seem to charge a premium for oversized volume knobs no one wwants |
| [03:17:39] | oobe: | yeah what i "think" all it is is that it allocates the file name and path before the stream is captured then expects it to be there |
| [03:17:49] | Buggaboo: | hm recalculation -> ?400.- |
| [03:18:08] | Dagmar: | oobe: The "PReview Error:" lines were from the backend attempting to service the play requests for the frontend |
| [03:18:13] | Buggaboo: | I should go poking around the local dumpster for a nice 2nd hand mini-atx stuff. |
| [03:18:18] | sphery: | So does anyone know if XIII (airing tonight) is a mini-series/2-part movie? There's another airing next Sunday with the same programid (but wondered if it's like The Last Templar). |
| [03:18:34] | Dagmar: | It probably *should* notice if no stream comes out of the tuner after a few moments, but apparently it doesn't. |
| [03:18:42] | Buggaboo: | a good 2nd hand case would be nice. |
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| [03:19:11] | Dagmar: | Buggaboo: This is one of the cheapest ones I've found: http://www.antec.com/usa/productDetails.php?lan=us&id=92480 |
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| [03:19:31] | oobe: | Buggaboo, you are asking a very common and broad question in this channel alone you will find people who insist on spending more than others and others who dont see the point anywhere from used pc and second hand parts for 200 or a whole new system for 1500 us your answer |
| [03:19:38] | Buggaboo: | I want one with a psu already built-in. |
| [03:19:55] | Dagmar: | In many instances, no you don't. |
| [03:20:14] | Dagmar: | If you buy a cheap case with cheap PSU, that PSU will be very likely to kill something else and soon |
| [03:20:14] | Buggaboo: | hm? |
| [03:20:22] | Dagmar: | ...because the PSU will be *really* cheap |
| [03:20:53] | Buggaboo: | hm. Good point. |
| [03:21:04] | Dagmar: | Like, a minitower case with a PSU for $35–40... That's something you should only use if you just intend to short the motherboard sense pins and use the case lights as room decor |
| [03:21:06] | Buggaboo: | I should just readjust my budget then... |
| [03:21:10] | Dagmar: | The PSU in that will be crap |
| [03:21:26] | Buggaboo: | hehe. |
| [03:21:42] | Dagmar: | ...but like I said that NSK2480 was one of the cheapest ones I found. I put a pretty serious premium on cheap |
| [03:21:58] | Dagmar: | It's not exactly the tiniest thing, but it is pretty heavily engineered for noise dampening |
| [03:22:19] | Buggaboo: | that would most definitely please the wife |
| [03:22:36] | Dagmar: | It's very obvious that the guys over at SilentPC had a hand in designing it |
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| [03:25:39] | Buggaboo: | Dagmar, thanks, wrote it down. |
| [03:25:55] | Buggaboo: | hm. 4 hours to go before I go to work... |
| [03:26:13] | Buggaboo: | bedtime! Thanks everyone. |
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| [03:30:46] | oobe: | we know what he will be doing when he goes to bed |
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| [03:34:25] | foxbuntu: | Hi all, is anyone here using the HVR-1600 with any sucess in MythTV that can give me a hand? |
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| [04:05:30] | mzb_xps_: | looks like the SilverStone LC13-E and SilverStone LC17 are a similar price to the NSK2480 |
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| [04:07:56] | wagnerrp: | theyre also about an inch or so taller |
| [04:08:33] | wagnerrp: | and dont seem to come with power supplies |
| [04:15:20] | mzb_xps_: | in that case (sic): EZCOOL DT-02 |
| [04:16:48] | mzb_xps_: | or even: Antec Minuet 350 |
| [04:18:37] | p1mrx: | is it possible to disable the fade transitions between menus? |
| [04:19:06] | p1mrx: | or at least make them faster? |
| [04:21:27] | wagnerrp: | p1mrx: choose the QT painter instead of OpenGL |
| [04:21:39] | wagnerrp: | opengl has fades, qt does not |
| [04:22:20] | p1mrx: | does the opengl painter provide anything else I might want? |
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| [04:23:57] | wagnerrp: | i have never heard of ezcool |
| [04:24:09] | wagnerrp: | and they seem to provide some cheap generic 500W PSU |
| [04:24:34] | wagnerrp: | 1. you do not need a 500W PSU for anything myth does, short of lots and lots (and lots) of hard drives |
| [04:25:13] | wagnerrp: | 2. cheap generic PSU... read back to what Dagmar said. its hard to beat Antec on PSU quality |
| [04:25:38] | wagnerrp: | 3. i have to believe something from Antec or Silverstone will be much quieter than some unknown brand |
| [04:30:15] | mzb_xps_: | I'd believe that |
| [04:30:51] | mzb_xps_: | (still being in min-itx land;)) |
| [04:31:46] | wagnerrp: | i dont know about the minuet... personally, for the same price, id rather have the NSK |
| [04:32:01] | mzb_xps_: | yeah, looks quite nice |
| [04:32:21] | mzb_xps_: | starting to think about selling this xps so I can go to hdtv |
| [04:32:37] | mzb_xps_: | (42" inc) |
| [04:32:56] | wagnerrp: | selling the laptop and buying a TV? |
| [04:33:04] | mzb_xps_: | xps-730 |
| [04:33:14] | mzb_xps_: | but suspect procrastination and laziness to overcome the desire ;) |
| [04:33:26] | mzb_xps_: | + I don |
| [04:33:36] | mzb_xps_: | 't technically own it |
| [04:34:01] | mzb_xps_: | might sell the dell d800 too, when it comes down to it ... sigh |
| [04:35:38] | mzb_xps_: | also wish I could find a couple of these locally: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI . . . 170299425817 |
| [04:36:03] | iamlindoro: | Anyone remember the title of the Go-to devs wiki page? |
| [04:36:05] | ** mzb_xps_ lives in a fantasy land ... postage expensive through the time portal ;) ** | |
| [04:38:05] | mzb_xps_: | ah well, I guess ceramic fans and lcd's will have to keep me happy for a few weeks ;) |
| [04:38:32] | wagnerrp: | ceramic fans? |
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| [04:42:49] | mzb_xps_: | ceramic sleeve bearings |
| [04:43:34] | mzb_xps_: | http://www.ceramicafans.com/whyceramic.htm |
| [04:44:28] | ** iamlindoro fumes at people who think taking something that everyone else has to pay for can be called anything but theft ** | |
| [04:44:58] | mzb_xps_: | ? |
| [04:45:00] | iamlindoro: | "infringement" is a word that helps people sleep at night. |
| [04:45:18] | wagnerrp: | i was under the impression bearings failed due to loss of lubricant |
| [04:45:23] | iamlindoro: | "But your honor, I didn't murder him! It's mortality infringement!" |
| [04:45:29] | mzb_xps_: | heh |
| [04:45:37] | iamlindoro: | "But your honor, I didn't steal! It's copyright infringement!" |
| [04:45:59] | Dagmar: | Mortality infringement is what Dr. Frankenstien and Dr. Herbert West were into. |
| [04:46:20] | Dagmar: | You've gotten it a bit turned around. |
| [04:46:21] | mzb_xps_: | wagnerrp: yeah, I guess: turned out I could get ceramic sleeve for about the same price as a good ball-bearing |
| [04:48:02] | mzb_xps_: | the ones I'm replacing a the cheap brass-sleaved ones ... now as noisy as hell according to customer ... so seeing as he's paying I'm going to upgrade mine as well (I have an identical copy of his machine) |
| [04:48:15] | mzb_xps_: | s/a the/are the |
| [04:48:23] | mzb_xps_: | s/sleeved |
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| [04:48:42] | ** mzb_xps_ must need caffeine or alcohol ** | |
| [04:49:34] | mzb_xps_: | almost got him interested in an LCD too, but he's getting tighter with age ;) |
| [04:49:45] | mzb_xps_: | (ie: lcdproc display) |
| [04:49:48] | mzb_xps_: | ah well |
| [04:53:03] | mzb_xps_: | at least I'll have a couple of accurate clocks around the place ;) |
| [04:57:58] | mzb_xps_: | hmm ... Victorian death toll 126 and rising :( |
| [04:58:25] | wagnerrp: | that the wildfire? |
| [04:59:18] | p1mrx: | hm, yeah, this "blank mythfrontend" problem is happening to me randomly |
| [04:59:27] | p1mrx: | sometimes I get a menu on startup, sometimes it's just an empty background |
| [04:59:38] | p1mrx: | it can't just be a font thing, because there's no graphics either |
| [05:00:02] | p1mrx: | going into mysql and toggling between qt/opengl seems to have no effect, usually. |
| [05:03:00] | mzb_xps_: | wagnerrp: yeah, bushfire ... Eucalyptus == "fire weed" == flammable wood/bark/leaves + they drop limbs for "fuel" |
| [05:04:03] | mzb_xps_: | ==> "firestorm" |
| [05:05:02] | mzb_xps_: | well, I guess we don't get earthquakes |
| [05:07:14] | mzb_xps_: | time to get ready for roast@outlaws ... bye all |
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| [05:15:26] | Lexridge: | did anyone watch the grammy's tonight? I thought Radiohead's performance was really good. |
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| [05:16:28] | AlmightyOatmeal: | i keep getting File.mpg.png.png File.mpg.100x75.png.png along with my File.mpg's in /storage... is there a way i can get that cleaned up without having to manually do it? |
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| [05:17:14] | wagnerrp: | why would you want to? |
| [05:17:29] | wagnerrp: | the images should get deleted when the video does |
| [05:17:39] | wagnerrp: | and theres really no reason to ever look at that directory |
| [05:18:01] | AlmightyOatmeal: | i mean get the images go to into a different directory.. it looks a little dirty via smb and upnp/dnla |
| [05:18:17] | AlmightyOatmeal: | i mean, i can deal with it, was just cusious.. (my grrlie is mainly complaining) |
| [05:18:29] | wagnerrp: | smb, you can mask certain file extensions |
| [05:18:44] | AlmightyOatmeal: | from the share itself or client side? |
| [05:18:44] | wagnerrp: | but you should really be using mythrename.pl if you want to manually access those files |
| [05:18:54] | AlmightyOatmeal: | i run mythrename already |
| [05:19:04] | wagnerrp: | as for UPNP, why are you using the built in server in mythtv? |
| [05:19:11] | wagnerrp: | s/are/arent/ |
| [05:19:26] | AlmightyOatmeal: | because it's apparently not compatible with my d-link dsm-510 |
| [05:19:32] | AlmightyOatmeal: | i think the 520+ works |
| [05:19:58] | AlmightyOatmeal: | i use Coherence for my upnp/dnla server which lists all files.. i suppose i could see if i can list only .mpg's or hide .png's as well |
| [05:20:12] | AlmightyOatmeal: | but why .png.png instead of just .png? :P |
| [05:20:14] | wagnerrp: | again, why not use mythrename.pl? |
| [05:20:43] | AlmightyOatmeal: | wagnerrp: i do use mythrename.pl to rename the recordings |
| [05:20:47] | wagnerrp: | solves your problem in one quick swoop |
| [05:20:52] | ** AlmightyOatmeal shrugs ** | |
| [05:20:56] | wagnerrp: | no.... you dont want to rename the files |
| [05:21:04] | wagnerrp: | symlink into another folder |
| [05:21:53] | AlmightyOatmeal: | i've never had a problem renaming the recordings and why would i use a symlink to another folder? |
| [05:22:14] | wagnerrp: | you symlink into another folder, so you can share a folder with only recordings in it |
| [05:22:20] | wagnerrp: | and it lets you do some other things |
| [05:22:26] | wagnerrp: | for instance, i run it twice |
| [05:22:39] | wagnerrp: | and get one folder with names starting with the recording date |
| [05:22:47] | wagnerrp: | and another folder with names starting with the series title |
| [05:23:27] | AlmightyOatmeal: | hum, so mythrename.pl can create a symlink to each file with whatever you want for a name without renaming the file? |
| [05:23:35] | AlmightyOatmeal: | bloody hell that sounds so much better |
| [05:23:36] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [05:24:07] | AlmightyOatmeal: | i think i'll have to play with that |
| [05:24:09] | wagnerrp: | just do '--link <to folder>' |
| [05:24:26] | AlmightyOatmeal: | i'll have to give that a go next run |
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| [05:25:21] | damn`machine: | hi |
| [05:25:44] | iamlindoro: | probably ought to change that nick |
| [05:26:00] | damn`machine: | what's a cheap ass card with component composite and digital capable tuner? |
| [05:26:15] | wagnerrp: | no such thing |
| [05:26:19] | iamlindoro: | and probably ought to not swear in your chatter either |
| [05:26:56] | damn`machine: | my bad |
| [05:27:01] | wagnerrp: | there are some component capture cards, but theyre either insanely expensive, or dont support HD |
| [05:27:13] | damn`machine: | so let's say affordable |
| [05:28:10] | wagnerrp: | composite sucks, you want something that can capture svideo |
| [05:28:30] | wagnerrp: | and if you want svideo capture, you want an mpeg encoder, which means ivtv card |
| [05:28:47] | wagnerrp: | the only one which has a integrated digital tuner is the hauppauge 1600 |
| [05:29:06] | wagnerrp: | (the only one that works with mythtv) |
| [05:30:28] | damn`machine: | link for purchase? |
| [05:30:36] | iamlindoro: | google.com |
| [05:30:56] | Lexridge: | I hear circuit city may have them...cheap! ;) |
| [05:30:57] | wagnerrp: | http://www.letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=hvr1600 |
| [05:31:12] | damn`machine: | what about pinnacle tv i800? is pretty good I am playing the psp tv output throught composite in |
| [05:31:27] | wagnerrp: | the 800i is a framegrabber |
| [05:31:45] | wagnerrp: | if you have any care for your sanity, you will avoid its analog capabilities like the plague |
| [05:31:58] | damn`machine: | well as soon there's linux compatible card out is pulled out. |
| [05:32:28] | damn`machine: | what's wrong with framegrabber or differerce? |
| [05:33:09] | wagnerrp: | framegrabber means you have a small memory buffer that you need to pull very large amounts of raw video out of, and compress on-the-fly |
| [05:33:38] | wagnerrp: | you also have to capture raw audio, again compressing on-the-fly, and then praying that the audio and video will sync properly |
| [05:33:59] | wagnerrp: | and thats assuming the card has integrated audio capture |
| [05:34:26] | damn`machine: | yeah, I just play a movie just to see how many errors would puke |
| [05:34:26] | wagnerrp: | if not, you have to loop it through your sound card, and then you have a whole new can of worms |
| [05:34:44] | damn`machine: | the sound is slightly delayed in composite in |
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| [05:36:03] | damn`machine: | this one has it's own alsa driver, which is pretty cool |
| [05:36:17] | wagnerrp: | no, that means its BAD |
| [05:36:31] | damn`machine: | why cards compatible with linux are discontinued all the time? |
| [05:36:32] | wagnerrp: | if you have to capture audio through alsa, that is BBBBAAAAAAAADDDDDDD |
| [05:37:07] | damn`machine: | mm.. uh? |
| [05:37:26] | damn`machine: | where else is linux spose to play sound? |
| [05:37:51] | wagnerrp: | your tuner card does not play audio (unless you happen to have one that has video output, but i wont go there) |
| [05:38:02] | wagnerrp: | the alsa driver is for capture |
| [05:38:14] | wagnerrp: | if you are capturing the audio manually, you are using a framegrabber |
| [05:38:53] | damn`machine: | they do like this, a card is relaese, then it's made linux friendly. When this happens the exact same model changes its chip so it becomes incompatible. |
| [05:39:32] | damn`machine: | my graphics card has video out |
| [05:40:29] | damn`machine: | so the 1600 works idependently of hardware revision? |
| [05:40:45] | wagnerrp: | i wouldnt know, i dont have one personally |
| [05:40:51] | damn`machine: | and it's not cheap |
| [05:41:09] | damn`machine: | wagnerrp: what sort of beast do you have? :) |
| [05:41:26] | wagnerrp: | a pair of pvr-150s |
| [05:41:31] | wagnerrp: | an older ivtv card |
| [05:44:07] | damn`machine: | is this site reputable? http://www.compuvest.us/ProductDetails.aspx?ProductID=337015 |
| [05:44:36] | wagnerrp: | never heard of em |
| [05:45:46] | wagnerrp: | i tend not to use sites with abnormal TLDs |
| [05:46:11] | damn`machine: | lmao |
| [05:47:02] | Lexridge: | what's a TLD? |
| [05:47:13] | wagnerrp: | top level domain |
| [05:47:18] | wagnerrp: | specifically, a ccTLD |
| [05:47:26] | wagnerrp: | .us is the US country code |
| [05:47:36] | Lexridge: | oh, gotcha. |
| [05:48:49] | wagnerrp: | you get stuff like '.im' is for Isle of Man, '.tv' is Tuvalu, '.cc' is Cocos Islands |
| [05:50:13] | Lexridge: | I always just buy either from Infotel or NewEgg. They are both reputable and are price competitive with everyone else. |
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| [05:52:39] | damn`machine: | around 234 of this message [12165.040741] cx88[0]: irq aud [0x1101] dn_risci1* dnf_of dn_sync* |
| [05:53:03] | damn`machine: | 6 of this [ 6898.129357] cx88[0]: irq aud [0x1001] dn_risci1* dn_sync* |
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| [05:53:30] | damn`machine: | and one of this [ 6898.127828] cx88[0]/1: IRQ loop detected, disabling interrupts |
| [05:53:42] | damn`machine: | where can I submit these errors? |
| [05:54:04] | wagnerrp: | i imagine the v4l guys |
| [05:54:47] | damn`machine: | infotel.com? |
| [05:54:59] | damn`machine: | looks like a french fries company |
| [05:55:47] | damn`machine: | do 'v4l guys' have a freenode channel? |
| [05:56:32] | Lexridge: | infotelusa.com |
| [05:57:07] | wagnerrp: | i would try '#v4l' |
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| [06:08:23] | p1mrx: | okay, this problem is getting really annoying. an update to 0.21_p19706 didn't solve it. I'm basically just getting a blank background after starting mythfrontend. |
| [06:08:50] | p1mrx: | but it seems kind of nondeterministic. I managed to get the menu to appear, but when I exited mythfrontend and restarted, it was gone again. |
| [06:08:52] | wagnerrp: | p1mrx: delete your themecache |
| [06:10:01] | p1mrx: | deleted .mythtv/themecache; still blank. |
| [06:10:28] | wagnerrp: | change the painter? '-O ThemePainter=qt' |
| [06:10:54] | p1mrx: | I've been messing with [ update settings set data="opengl" where value = "ThemePainter" ] in mysql |
| [06:11:01] | p1mrx: | opengl and qt |
| [06:11:11] | wagnerrp: | you really shouldnt fiddle with the database |
| [06:11:12] | p1mrx: | it seems like going from one to the other can sometimes cause the menus to reappear for one session |
| [06:12:34] | p1mrx: | adding "-O ThemePainter=qt" to the command line caused the menus to work. once. |
| [06:13:39] | p1mrx: | setting it back to opengl, the menus worked. once. |
| [06:14:07] | p1mrx: | back to qt, and nothing. |
| [06:17:52] | p1mrx: | ok, I think I fixed it |
| [06:18:12] | p1mrx: | the last line of .xinitrc was "exec /usr/bin/mythfrontend -l /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log -v important,general" |
| [06:18:22] | p1mrx: | I removed the exec, and the menu seems to be appearing every time |
| [06:18:34] | wagnerrp: | that shouldnt make any difference |
| [06:20:12] | p1mrx: | my science refutes your logic |
| [06:20:30] | p1mrx: | I re-added the "exec", and the menu's evaporated. |
| [06:22:23] | p1mrx: | there's nothing abnormal-looking in the log |
| [06:22:58] | p1mrx: | but it's definitely repeatable. no "exec", menu appears every time. with "exec", it appears almost never |
| [06:24:21] | p1mrx: | is there anything I can do to determine why this happens? |
| [06:24:41] | wagnerrp: | no clue |
| [06:26:04] | p1mrx: | can anyone else repeat it? just create an .xinitrc ending with "exec /usr/bin/mythfrontend" |
| [06:26:31] | tank-man: | do you know what the exec command does? |
| [06:26:45] | p1mrx: | I assume it spawns another process and runs something |
| [06:26:49] | p1mrx: | or maybe runs it in another shell |
| [06:27:11] | tank-man: | something like that, thats my understanding |
| [06:27:25] | tank-man: | so how can it be the cause of your problems? |
| [06:27:52] | tank-man: | try logging in normally and then running mythfrontend |
| [06:27:56] | p1mrx: | actually, it looks like if my ONLY line in .xinitrc is "exec /usr/bin/mythfrontend", it seems to work. |
| [06:27:58] | tank-man: | and then look at the logs |
| [06:28:16] | p1mrx: | but, when the previous line is "/usr/bin/evilwm &", the exec causes mythfrontend to fail |
| [06:29:03] | p1mrx: | it's gotta be a race condition of some sort |
| [06:29:32] | damn`machine: | w00t |
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| [06:30:40] | p1mrx: | if I change .xinitrc to only launch evilwm, and then run "exec mythfrontend" from a console, it works fine |
| [06:32:42] | p1mrx: | so, "exec" actually means "run this program, overwriting the current shell process" |
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| [06:33:00] | p1mrx: | so, it's the opposite of what I said before. it *doesn't* create a new process |
| [06:35:42] | p1mrx: | I ran "env > ~/log.out" from within .xinitrc, and got this: http://rafb.net/p/LXuq8J29.html |
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| [06:37:12] | p1mrx: | hm, but "exec env" looks exactly the same. so maybe it has something to do with the file descriptors that 'exec' closes |
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| [06:51:23] | p1mrx: | it also works fine if I use: exec /usr/bin/mythwelcome -l /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log -v important,general |
| [06:51:29] | p1mrx: | I just replaced frontend with welcome |
| [06:53:53] | tank-man: | have you increased the logging and looked at the log file? |
| [06:54:24] | p1mrx: | what else should I add, after important,general ? |
| [06:54:53] | tank-man: | try "all" instead |
| [06:56:59] | p1mrx: | all: http://rafb.net/p/c63Yog45.html |
| [06:57:53] | p1mrx: | hold on, but that time it didn't fail |
| [06:59:12] | p1mrx: | this time, it did fail: http://rafb.net/p/CtbMuj63.html |
| [07:04:43] | p1mrx: | but I can't see anything in the log to indicate a failure |
| [07:05:17] | tank-man: | by fail what do you mean? youre looking at a blank screen? |
| [07:06:23] | tank-man: | can you ssh in and see if the mythfrontend process is running? |
| [07:06:50] | p1mrx: | I described "fail" earlier. all I see is the theme background |
| [07:07:36] | p1mrx: | mythfrontend is definitely running, because the only way I can exit is to "killall mythfrontend" |
| [07:08:14] | tank-man: | how long are you waiting ? a couple seconds or minutes? |
| [07:08:30] | p1mrx: | I've had it sitting at a blank screen for minutes before |
| [07:08:42] | p1mrx: | when it doesn't fail, it pops up in a few seconds |
| [07:11:06] | p1mrx: | when my .xinitrc says "evilwm &" followed by "exec mythfrontend", could the process be inheriting something? if exec causes the process to be replaced, then mythfrontend could have the window manager as a child process |
| [07:11:15] | p1mrx: | I'm not sure if that has any significance though |
| [07:11:40] | tank-man: | what does the log from the backend say? anything? |
| [07:14:53] | p1mrx: | mythbackend announces a new client when the frontend doesn't fail, |
| [07:15:01] | p1mrx: | but, when the frontend locks up, the backend says nothing. |
| [07:15:24] | p1mrx: | 2009-02–08 23:14:35.599 MainServer::HandleAnnounce Monitor |
| [07:15:24] | p1mrx: | 2009-02–08 23:14:35.627 adding: mediabox as a client (events: 0) |
| [07:15:30] | p1mrx: | that's from a successful launch |
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| [07:19:48] | p1mrx: | I put a "sleep 1" before launching mythfrontend, and it still failed. so it must not be a time-related race |
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| [07:55:14] | pbj: | I'm running MythTV trunkversion on my setup at home with DVB-s input from satelite. unfortunably I'm not able to chose danish subtitles on the moviechannels – only swedish ( or I can chose danish – but it's the swedish that shows on the screen) |
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| [07:57:59] | Dibblah: | pbj: Have you set your preferred guide language? |
| [08:15:45] | pbj: | yes – I have set all the places I can find to set it to danish as preferred – and can't find anywhere else to set it. On some channels I can use textTV's s7ubtitle system, but not all moviechannels have textv |
| [08:19:43] | pbj: | When I trying to use DVB-S subtitle – I have four choices, but only no 1 (default) swedish are beeing activated – even when I chose the danish, it writes swedish on the onscreendisplay UF TT swedish ON |
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| [09:14:06] | linuxmaniac: | hi, when I connect to my mythtv over upnp and I select an avi file, the subtitles ( an external srt with the same filename ) do not load. Is this a normal behavior on upnp? |
| [09:15:07] | linuxmaniac: | how can I get the avi+srt on a upnp session? |
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| [09:53:57] | justinh: | presumably, upnp only streams one file at a time |
| [09:55:36] | Dibblah: | Not completely sure that's the problem. Fairly sure the player has to do some heavy work to get subtitles working. |
| [09:55:58] | Dibblah: | And it's server specific. |
| [09:56:13] | Dibblah: | linuxmaniac: Have you had it work with another uPNP server? |
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| [10:27:03] | linuxmaniac: | Dibblah, no |
| [10:28:01] | linuxmaniac: | but there are some instructions for Mediatomb |
| [10:28:28] | linuxmaniac: | http://mediatomb.cc/dokuwiki/transcoding:transcoding |
| [10:29:51] | Dibblah: | linuxmaniac: Which is talking about transcoding to add the subtitles in. |
| [10:30:12] | Dibblah: | So, modifying the file before the uPNP server sees it. |
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| [10:33:06] | linuxmaniac: | so ... there is no easy way to do it with mythtv |
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| [10:35:29] | justinh: | if you have to embed the subs into the video, it would seem there's no easy way to do it full stop |
| [10:35:40] | justinh: | another win for upnp |
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| [10:44:07] | Dibblah: | Nothing really wrong with uPNP. |
| [10:45:20] | justinh: | in theory sure :) |
| [10:45:39] | justinh: | apart from the myriad interpretations of the protocol |
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| [11:20:55] | sloof3: | I've got shows that appear to have been previously recorded but do not show up in my media library. The only things are that are in media library are random clips of live TV that I accidently recorded. |
| [11:22:51] | sloof3: | I don't believe I have any special storage options. It looks like it should all be in /var/lib/mythtv which is symlinked to my storage array /media/bigarray/mythtv |
| [11:23:08] | sloof3: | The directory perms look ok on the parent directory and the recordings subdir as well. |
| [11:24:35] | justinh: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Q . . . ecordings.3F |
| [11:25:52] | linuxmaniac: | Dibblah, justinh thanks for the answers |
| [11:29:53] | sloof3: | justinh: I feel silly.. Thanks |
| [11:30:31] | sloof3: | Now I just have to get Sd to get my EPG data right for all channels |
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| [11:48:01] | justinh: | wheee. dremelly dremelly dremelly :D |
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| [11:53:19] | Dibblah: | justinh: Meh. My last case mod was done with an angle grinder. :) |
| [11:54:53] | justinh: | this is for an esata jbod |
| [11:55:04] | justinh: | 2u case, holding 5 discs. |
| [11:55:13] | justinh: | we said 'wtf?' too btw |
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| [11:56:19] | judazz: | Hi, anyone knows if it is possible to send CEC control signals through the HDMI cable to eg. adjust volume or backlight settings a LCD-TV? |
| [11:56:30] | judazz: | like from a script |
| [11:56:39] | justinh: | I doubt it'd be easy |
| [11:56:57] | judazz: | tried googling a bit, but not much came up |
| [11:57:03] | justinh: | I bet |
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| [11:57:18] | judazz: | I think my TV is HDMI 1.3 compliant at least |
| [11:57:21] | gbee: | not sure that either nvidia/ati drivers support it |
| [11:57:34] | judazz: | I've got Intel G35 |
| [11:57:39] | gbee: | be cool if they did |
| [11:57:46] | judazz: | yep |
| [11:58:02] | gbee: | or Intel, but I don't have an Intel based machine with HDMI |
| [11:58:38] | judazz: | I'm struggling getting the new 2.6 intel driver to compile |
| [11:58:52] | judazz: | it has some improved HDMI support, audio to mention one |
| [11:59:11] | judazz: | guess I'll have to wait till it shows up in the repos |
| [11:59:53] | justinh: | hrmpf. useless mechanical draughtspeoplehere strike again. no holes line up. MOARDREMELZ ftw :D |
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| [12:18:58] | mzb_xps_: | fine tuned with hammer? |
| [12:19:49] | justinh: | the mouse-wielding CAD monkeys need the hammer treatment |
| [12:20:26] | justinh: | it might actually get them to start reckoning material thicknesses when they try to align metalwork features ;) |
| [12:21:00] | justinh: | one box today was off by the bend radius of the chassis corner |
| [12:21:38] | justinh: | checked the drawings and er... bend radii aren't taken into account. whoops. |
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| [12:33:20] | ** Dibblah sniggers a little at the business concept behind http://www.swoopo.co.uk/auction/acer-aspire-8 . . . /150454.html ** | |
| [12:35:16] | gbee: | ouch |
| [12:35:54] | gbee: | exactly what is the catch? |
| [12:36:11] | laga: | you have to pay to make bids |
| [12:36:18] | laga: | AFAIR |
| [12:36:54] | Dibblah: | Yeah. £700 laptop raises £7000 for the company. |
| [12:37:14] | Dibblah: | It's basically a rigged lottery. |
| [12:37:14] | gbee: | ahh, yeah, remembering reading something about that model |
| [12:41:40] | justinh: | apt-cache search picard |
| [12:41:43] | justinh: | oops |
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| [13:01:47] | ** justinh shakes his fist at musicbrainz ** | |
| [13:02:42] | justinh: | how the hell can one album with a known tracklisting wind up with each track being found on 'different' albums all of the same name? |
| [13:03:12] | justinh: | unless the tagger is being anal about the lengths |
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| [13:10:15] | AndyCap: | justinh: heh, I've found more releases of albums than I thought possible |
| [13:10:26] | AndyCap: | and none of them actually matchin the disc on my shelf |
| [13:11:53] | mzb_xps_: | "50p to place each bid" |
| [13:12:10] | Dibblah: | Ondeed. |
| [13:12:25] | Dibblah: | Indeed, even. |
| [13:12:32] | justinh: | these are tracks from the same disc |
| [13:12:53] | justinh: | stupid user-contributed gubbins |
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| [13:14:03] | mzb_xps_: | international, my foot! |
| [13:15:49] | mzb_xps_: | hehe, "Swoopo – eBay's (more) evil twin" |
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| [13:50:49] | dmartins: | Hi, I'm having some trouble with nuvexport. I have tried the latest version from svn but still no go: Use of uninitialized value in numeric gt (>) at /usr/share/nuvexport/export/transcode.pm line 333, <STDIN> line 15. |
| [13:51:19] | dmartins: | Has anyone come across this before? |
| [14:09:27] | shadash: | .22 |
| [14:16:05] | gbee: | 42.145 |
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| [14:52:01] | ** justinh nukes MusicBrainz for once & for all ** | |
| [14:52:24] | justinh: | on a fscking QUEEN greatest hits album, the artist cannot possibly be WYCLEF JEAN |
| [14:52:27] | justinh: | ARGHHHHHHHHH |
| [14:53:25] | justinh: | do countless people devote their lives to submitting useless data or something? |
| [14:54:14] | laga: | see wikipedia |
| [14:54:15] | ** laga hides ** | |
| [14:54:41] | justinh: | heh maybe I'm wrong |
| [14:54:54] | ** justinh looks on amazon ** | |
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| [14:57:18] | mag0o: | haha, queen to wycleff jean |
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| [14:57:30] | mag0o: | maybe they're going off of possible rhyming artist names |
| [14:57:55] | justinh: | whaaaaaaaaaa? it's for real. |
| [14:58:10] | justinh: | queen & wyclef jean |
| [14:58:14] | justinh: | ffs |
| [14:58:15] | mag0o: | wow |
| [14:58:33] | justinh: | that's a 'Eminem & Elton John' kinda collaboration |
| [14:58:41] | mag0o: | yeah |
| [14:58:57] | justinh: | Mercury music be turning in his grave |
| [14:59:06] | justinh: | s/music/must |
| [14:59:48] | dmartins: | did they actually perform together or is it just another wyclef rip off remix? |
| [14:59:53] | justinh: | christ,I honestly thought the tracklisting was super messed up. a logical assumption, I think |
| [15:00:18] | justinh: | according to discogs.com it's Jean on vocals, wit da muzik ov da Queen |
| [15:00:36] | gbee: | justinh: Greatest Hits III/IV? |
| [15:00:40] | justinh: | goes to show how many times disc3 in that set has been played |
| [15:00:42] | justinh: | III |
| [15:00:50] | gbee: | I've got the first two, so I know it's not one of those |
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| [15:01:24] | dmartins: | looks like it's on III |
| [15:01:39] | justinh: | I put those kind of things in the same category as 'pop hits, made for venues without PRS licences' |
| [15:01:55] | justinh: | 'Songs made famous by' |
| [15:02:15] | justinh: | oh well. they don't take up that much room. they can stay |
| [15:02:29] | justinh: | I'll just make sure to set the rating way down |
| [15:04:44] | justinh: | shocking |
| [15:05:45] | justinh: | and talk about esoteric tastes.. a good number of my CDs don't have cover art to be found anywhere |
| [15:05:58] | justinh: | not even on cdcovers.cc |
| [15:06:07] | justinh: | so I might be needing to take some photos |
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| [15:24:37] | iamlindoro_: | Maybe once the MythMusic rebuild/MythUI port is in I'll start caring about my CD collection again |
| [15:26:42] | justinh: | I need all my stuff ripped for when I lose the room it's currently stored |
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| [15:27:19] | shadash: | wife keeps buying the crap off of itunes |
| [15:27:33] | shadash: | I'll need to transfer all to myth as of .22 |
| [15:28:36] | shadash: | myth should partner with some music website to provide songs/content for $$$ |
| [15:29:18] | justinh: | yeah, cos myth is a powerful company with a premium product |
| [15:29:27] | shadash: | after everything is stable content is the next thing people will want |
| [15:29:48] | shadash: | justinh: that's why I said "partner" |
| [15:30:21] | shadash: | myth can get $$$ off every purchase |
| [15:30:27] | justinh: | for what? |
| [15:30:31] | iamlindoro_: | Every time someone suggests STB/content providing/etc. I think of the magic word... "Liability." |
| [15:30:32] | shadash: | make schedulers free |
| [15:30:42] | justinh: | my EPG data is free |
| [15:30:58] | shadash: | iamlindoro_: that's why I said "partner" |
| [15:31:05] | justinh: | and$20 per annum may aswell be FoC |
| [15:31:11] | iamlindoro_: | shadash: What in the world would a partnership do to prevent liability? Nothing. |
| [15:31:22] | iamlindoro_: | Just gives someone two people to sue instead of one. |
| [15:31:28] | justinh: | how much do you spend on crack per week? ;) |
| [15:31:32] | shadash: | you can sue for anything |
| [15:31:51] | justinh: | sue me. see how far you get |
| [15:31:53] | iamlindoro_: | Myth is provided under a license that absolves the devs of liability. You can't do that when you sell a product |
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| [15:32:08] | shadash: | but if you have a large company behind you the suits are less likely to be a problem |
| [15:32:13] | iamlindoro_: | Uhhhhhhh |
| [15:32:15] | iamlindoro_: | right, sure |
| [15:32:29] | justinh: | meanwhile, back in #mythtv-users |
| [15:32:44] | iamlindoro_: | and on planet earth |
| [15:32:50] | shadash: | well whatever jusy keep building the base see where it takes you |
| [15:33:02] | justinh: | all our base are belong to us |
| [15:33:20] | iamlindoro_: | Most of the devs don't *care* if people use myth. Why is that so hard for people? |
| [15:33:44] | shadash: | not everyone is a jerk maybe? |
| [15:33:59] | justinh: | what does that have to do with anything? |
| [15:34:40] | iamlindoro_: | You can not be a jerk and still not care if anyone uses the software |
| [15:34:42] | shadash: | nothing really |
| [15:34:56] | justinh: | it's nice that people say things are useful to them, but it doesn't affect anything either way when people say "muhhh but you could get more users if you ...." |
| [15:34:59] | shadash: | but I'll bet some people do care what others think |
| [15:35:18] | justinh: | very few people have gone on record to say as much |
| [15:35:33] | iamlindoro_: | I'll bet most/all of the devs work on the things they do in myth because they want to use them, and only peripherally care if it helps anyone else |
| [15:35:34] | justinh: | apart from the folks on the mailing lists who go round calling the devs names |
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| [15:39:04] | justinh: | be interesting to see how popular boxee remains when the true invasiveness of all the corporate stuff becomes more clear |
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| [15:40:06] | iamlindoro_: | And it'll only get worse |
| [15:40:30] | iamlindoro_: | Still, gotta give it to 'em for being smart about rounding up future customers |
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| [15:42:06] | justinh: | quotable quotes..."Who needs new metal when they have an old toaster? |
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| [15:43:13] | mag0o: | heh |
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| [15:43:48] | unimaginative: | I'm fiddling with the flash video playback in 0.21-fixes. When I click "play" in the embedded flash player, a request is made for "GET /mythweb/pl/stream/5245/1234155600.flv HTTP/1.1" 200 - |
| [15:44:14] | unimaginative: | I tried manually downloading that file from the webserver, and a file is downloaded, but it's 0 bytes |
| [15:44:35] | unimaginative: | What program or facility is responsible for the on-the-fly transcoding to flv? |
| [15:44:40] | GreyFoxx: | ffmpeg |
| [15:44:47] | GreyFoxx: | running on the backend/mythweb machine |
| [15:45:00] | GreyFoxx: | and it had to be in a specific path last I looked |
| [15:45:01] | justinh: | non crippled ffmpeg too |
| [15:45:06] | unimaginative: | ahhh. |
| [15:45:12] | justinh: | as in, able to encode flv with mp3 audio |
| [15:45:23] | unimaginative: | justinh: it may be crippled, I need to check. |
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| [15:45:33] | justinh: | that usually precludes using what comes with *buntu |
| [15:45:37] | iamlindoro_: | If you are running, say, stock Ubuntu, it will be |
| [15:45:55] | unimaginative: | I'm running latest sync of gentoo. |
| [15:46:04] | iamlindoro_: | then who knows |
| [15:46:25] | justinh: | ffmpeg itself will tell you :) |
| [15:47:20] | justinh: | ffmpeg -formats |grep mp3 |
| [15:47:34] | justinh: | look for DE mp3 MPEG audio layer 3 DEA mp3 |
| [15:47:56] | justinh: | and DE flv flv format |
| [15:48:08] | justinh: | the DE means it'll decode AND encode :) |
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| [15:49:11] | unimaginative: | justinh: just a sec, I'm at work and trying to troubleshoot :) |
| [15:52:06] | unimaginative: | justinh: http://rafb.net/p/mlaM3529.html |
| [15:54:04] | unimaginative: | looks good, to me. |
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| [15:54:32] | unimaginative: | the first line is exact, but the second is missing the E |
| [15:55:54] | justinh: | missing the E... means you can't encode |
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| [15:56:07] | justinh: | crippled ffmpeg |
| [15:56:19] | unimaginative: | justinh: :) |
| [15:56:34] | unimaginative: | awesome, let me get it un-crippled and I'll get back to you. |
| [15:57:04] | justinh: | I dunno the sense in allowing decoding but not encoding. surely mp3 decoding is subject to patents too |
| [15:57:46] | unimaginative: | justinh: what else does ffmpeg need in addition to mp3 encoding? |
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| [15:57:58] | unimaginative: | what about the video part of the mux? |
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| [15:58:51] | justinh: | oh and theflash video stuff won't work with nuv files AFAIK |
| [15:58:59] | justinh: | I hope not anyway. suckers need to lose out more |
| [15:59:05] | unimaginative: | justinh: I'm good there, I don't use nuv |
| [15:59:31] | justinh: | you need flv encoding enabled |
| [15:59:43] | justinh: | ffmpeg -formats |grep flv |
| [16:00:43] | unimaginative: | http://rafb.net/p/rhwuuN42.html |
| [16:01:05] | justinh: | no encoding there |
| [16:01:15] | justinh: | noted by the lack of the letter E |
| [16:01:26] | unimaginative: | oh, we're looking at the second line? |
| [16:01:54] | unimaginative: | I just don't know the difference between first and second lines I guess :) |
| [16:02:09] | justinh: | mine includes 'E' on both lines |
| [16:03:48] | unimaginative: | trying to fix it the gentoo way, there is no use flag for flv on the ffmpeg package, and I'm looking at the configuration string, nothing with flv there. |
| [16:04:04] | justinh: | maybe you're ok already |
| [16:04:42] | clever: | i havent gotten that far yet on my gentoo so i havent had to fix it yet |
| [16:05:01] | laga: | i don't use gentoo |
| [16:05:07] | laga: | </blah> |
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| [16:05:33] | justinh: | I'm much less frustrated by ubuntu than gentoo |
| [16:05:41] | justinh: | read into that whatever you fscking like |
| [16:05:59] | laga: | interestingly enough, i'm extremely annoyed by the fscks on my ubuntu laptop |
| [16:06:31] | justinh: | forced checking every $whatever boots is annoying |
| [16:06:59] | unimaginative: | justinh: I tried a ubuntu frontend, couldn't get it to leave my fscking settings alone :) |
| [16:07:15] | unimaginative: | kept wanting to reset my lirc config |
| [16:07:30] | unimaginative: | and sound. |
| [16:09:52] | KungFuJesus: | so is VDPAU usable with myth now? |
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| [16:10:09] | unimaginative: | KungFuJesus: usable? sometimes. Supported? No. |
| [16:10:22] | KungFuJesus: | nothing is ever supported in the world of Nvidia |
| [16:10:45] | justinh: | muh muh muh, closed source drivers, whine moan |
| [16:11:06] | shadash: | I noticed that a mythbuntu report was on the VDPAU wiki page |
| [16:11:11] | unimaginative: | justinh: looks like I got the flv support, but mp3 went wonky |
| [16:11:16] | unimaginative: | http://rafb.net/p/c0xBmd69.html |
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| [16:11:28] | justinh: | I don't see any other video drivers offering HD decoding acceleration in hardware though do you? :P |
| [16:11:37] | justinh: | *in loonix |
| [16:11:45] | shadash: | they prob had to compile in VDPAU support. I don't think there's any .debs yet |
| [16:11:59] | justinh: | one would hope not |
| [16:12:27] | Wayhigh: | I'm building 15 IR receivers and I only need 3 of them.. anyone interested? |
| [16:12:46] | justinh: | nah I don't trust your soldering |
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| [16:12:51] | shadash: | come on dev give us a RC live cd to play with |
| [16:13:05] | Wayhigh: | heh.. I do have evil soldering.. |
| [16:13:39] | unimaginative: | Wayhigh: I'll take the compenents and build it myself, if your interested. |
| [16:13:47] | unimaginative: | I could use another ir reciever. |
| [16:14:13] | Wayhigh: | unimaginative: cool.. let me build mine to validate the components first and I'll let ya know. |
| [16:14:30] | justinh: | who's dev ? |
| [16:14:33] | Wayhigh: | should all work just fine.. |
| [16:14:53] | Wayhigh: | I'll probably build some usb ones next.. just don't have a pic programmer yet.. |
| [16:14:59] | unimaginative: | Wayhigh: serial, or usb? |
| [16:15:07] | unimaginative: | Wayhigh: ahh, :) |
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| [16:15:43] | Wayhigh: | unimaginative: the ones I'm building right now are serial.. if you want usb instead I could let ya know when I have the pic programmer and I could set it up so you wont need one. |
| [16:16:02] | unimaginative: | Wayhigh: serial is fine for now :) |
| [16:16:02] | justinh: | how many PICs do USB these days? |
| [16:16:56] | Wayhigh: | justinh: no idea.. I just saw some interesting writeups on it and I'm dying to breadboard it to see if it works. Plus I've been meaning to have a little pic dev lab anyways.. |
| [16:17:06] | unimaginative: | justinh: from my layman's perspective, it appears that ffmpeg will use built-in ffmpeg for mp3 playback, and libmp3lame for encoding (hence the license) |
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| [16:18:05] | clever: | USE=lame emerge ffmpeg // im guessing |
| [16:18:37] | clever: | might be automatic if you emerge again with the lame headers |
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| [16:22:27] | unimaginative: | clever: that seems to be the way it's currently set up. |
| [16:23:49] | unimaginative: | justinh: I wonder if a reboot is in order after ffmpeg is updated? I tried watching http_access.log while playing the stream, before it tried to load a filename and just didn't play anything. Now it doesn't attempt to load a file |
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| [16:24:52] | unimaginative: | justinh: something was mentionened about ffmpeg being in a specific location, where would that location need to be? |
| [16:24:55] | clever: | a reboot is allmost never needed |
| [16:27:03] | unimaginative: | Mabye an apache restart then? |
| [16:27:20] | clever: | apache spawns a new ffmpeg process each time you try to stream a file |
| [16:27:25] | clever: | so it doesnt need a restart either |
| [16:27:37] | clever: | i tracked half my problem down to a 2>/dev/null in the streaming code |
| [16:27:42] | clever: | all ffmpeg errors where hidden |
| [16:28:20] | unimaginative: | are you running trunk? |
| [16:28:29] | clever: | once i turned that off, my apache error log was flooded with usefull spam |
| [16:28:37] | clever: | im on trunk now, i forget what i had then |
| [16:29:15] | clever: | mythplugins/mythweb/modules/stream$ vi stream_flv.pl |
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| [16:29:34] | clever: | search for 'null' and youll find where it redirects all errors to /dev/null |
| [16:30:20] | clever: | you can either dump it to a log file or just remove that bit (apache sends stderr to its own error log) |
| [16:31:26] | unimaginative: | clever: stupid question. Wouldn't that stream_flv.pl actually be located in my htdocs directory? |
| [16:31:48] | clever: | i can also see a potention problem in my trunk copy of the code, its printing an error msg in plain text, when only the flash 'program' will see it(and spew) |
| [16:32:07] | clever: | yeah, it would be under /something//modules/stream/stream_flv.pl |
| [16:32:15] | clever: | whever you put your mythweb code |
| [16:32:17] | unimaginative: | the filename must have changed. /var/www/htdocs/mythweb/modules/stream/handler.pl |
| [16:32:42] | clever: | i was lazy and just made that a symlink right into my mythplugins source dir |
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| [16:32:58] | unimaginative: | http://rafb.net/p/FnI8Ut77.html |
| [16:33:55] | clever: | edit line 8(in the paste) to look more like this |
| [16:34:01] | clever: | .' /dev/stdout |' |
| [16:34:41] | clever: | you should then get a flood of errors arround /var/log/apache2/error.log once you try to stream something |
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| [16:38:02] | unimaginative: | any need to restart apache after the modification? |
| [16:38:35] | unimaginative: | hmm, apparently not :) |
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| [16:40:08] | unimaginative: | http://rafb.net/p/u1HeP933.html |
| [16:40:13] | unimaginative: | awesome, lots of output |
| [16:40:45] | unimaginative: | ac3 frame sync error. |
| [16:41:32] | jamiem: | so I hacked my mythweb to show an IMDB link for things in category "Movie" |
| [16:41:33] | jamiem: | go me. |
| [16:43:53] | clever: | unimaginative: what was the problem again? |
| [16:44:45] | unimaginative: | clever: I only seemed to get one error[ac3 @ 0x80790c0]frame sync error |
| [16:44:45] | unimaginative: | Error while decoding stream #0.0 |
| [16:44:59] | unimaginative: | but otherwise it's decoding |
| [16:45:08] | unimaginative: | no video output on the flash player. |
| [16:45:12] | clever: | ah |
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| [16:45:40] | clever: | from the apache access.log you should be able to find the url for the raw flv stream |
| [16:46:02] | clever: | you could try using wget on that, and then playing it in a stand alone player(like mplayer) which has alot more output |
| [16:46:16] | unimaginative: | I am not getting a filename |
| [16:46:42] | clever: | it wont show in the apache log until the streaming is done |
| [16:46:42] | unimaginative: | http://rafb.net/p/Q2Dgqf55.html |
| [16:46:47] | clever: | (or you kill ffmpeg) |
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| [16:47:47] | unimaginative: | awesome |
| [16:47:59] | unimaginative: | the video transcoded, but not audio. |
| [16:48:03] | unimaginative: | but at least I'm getting something |
| [16:48:57] | clever: | #ffmpeg may know more about the ffmpeg error |
| [16:48:58] | gbee: | anyone from Victoria, Oz? |
| [16:49:14] | unimaginative: | so does that mean if I had waited for it to finish transcoding on it's own the flash player in the page would have started playing it? |
| [16:49:37] | clever: | unimaginative: it should stream the video out while transcoding |
| [16:49:59] | clever: | but theres not much control of the buffer sizes, so it may take who knows how long before it actualy starts |
| [16:50:11] | clever: | killing ffmpeg forces it to stop and send everything it has |
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| [16:53:06] | clever: | if you could play the flv stream in something that isnt brain dead, you would get more details |
| [16:53:34] | unimaginative: | hmm. I don't expect it to start /immediately/, but I would like some quickness. |
| [16:53:42] | unimaginative: | it's supposed to be 'on the fly' encoding :) |
| [16:56:41] | gbee: | it's an experimental feature, not an official release thing |
| [16:56:45] | wagnerrp: | when ive used it, it does start almost immediately |
| [16:57:07] | clever: | not even going to try it here |
| [16:57:15] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: Interestingly, I learned last night that JYA is from there |
| [16:57:16] | clever: | last 5 times i loaded the recording list, my backend exploded |
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| [17:04:25] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: now I'm conflicted |
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| [17:06:00] | linkslice: | what's the video card of choice for myth these days? My last box (a few years ago) the word dejour was that radeon 9200 was 'the' card, but I was a little unimpressed with it. I"m going to be making another one is nvidia the way to go now? |
| [17:06:11] | gbee: | I've a lot of family in Victoria, little worried about my uncles who are between the two large fires at Healesville and Bunyip, and a new fire which has just started fairly closeby to the SE of Warburton |
| [17:07:57] | gbee: | linkslice: all depends on who you ask, many people will say Nvidia, but of the two my ATi IGP over HDMI just works whereas my Nvidia IGP is pretty broken |
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| [17:08:37] | linkslice: | gbee, which card are you using? |
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| [17:09:36] | justinh: | linkslice: never mind what who is using |
| [17:09:42] | justinh: | what do YOU WANT ? |
| [17:10:29] | gbee: | main frontend is ATi Radeon x1250 (IGP), dev frontend is Nvidia Geforce 8200 (IGP) |
| [17:11:15] | justinh: | if you want HD video decoding acceleration right now your only option is nvidia |
| [17:11:20] | linkslice: | justinh, I don't know what I want, that's why I'm here ;) |
| [17:11:37] | justinh: | if you don't need/want it, then you have ATI & nvidia to choose from |
| [17:11:41] | justinh: | YMMV with either |
| [17:11:58] | justinh: | no need to buy a $300 card in either case though.. nor even $100 really |
| [17:12:08] | justinh: | well maybe $100 |
| [17:12:16] | wagnerrp: | well your option is nvidia or intel.... or ati and pain |
| [17:12:45] | justinh: | you can't buy cards with intel video controllers |
| [17:12:57] | justinh: | oops. you can. they're called MOTHERBOARDS |
| [17:13:06] | gbee: | linkslice: for a dedicated mythtv box you really don't need much, it's not like a gaming rig, you just need half decent 2D/opengl acceleration and there isn't a card that can't do that these days (apart from the 8200 with current drivers >:(), you might want to invest in a UVD2+ or PureVideoHD card for future hardware video decoding |
| [17:13:50] | justinh: | *not that anybody has seen hide nor hair of any real promise from ATI in that regard yet |
| [17:13:58] | wagnerrp: | if you trust ati to bring something to the table... eventually... |
| [17:14:28] | wagnerrp: | and dont bother with anything with the GMA500 |
| [17:14:34] | gbee: | justinh: actually they have, Intel guy has been given the specs to write a va-api/xvba backend |
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| [17:15:02] | justinh: | let's wait til there's a beta driver eh |
| [17:15:13] | wagnerrp: | apparently those linux drivers are a world of hurt because of some 3rd party decoder that is hidden behind NDAs |
| [17:15:24] | justinh: | no doubt |
| [17:15:32] | gbee: | and I don't have any idea why people don't believe they are working on it, when they've already added parts to the driver – they wouldn't have wasted their time on it if it wasn't going somewhere |
| [17:15:43] | justinh: | much easier to buy in tech than it is to develop it yourself |
| [17:16:05] | justinh: | gbee: past evidence & experience. tarring them with the same brush all the time. |
| [17:16:13] | justinh: | _wanting_ to be proved wrong |
| [17:16:34] | gbee: | justinh: yeah, key word here is past |
| [17:18:10] | gbee: | everyone seems to beat on them based on their experiences from 3 years ago, despite the fact that they've been bought out by linux friendly AMD, despite a whole new radically improving driver being released and despite lots of people who have had great experiences with them in the last 18 months |
| [17:18:21] | justinh: | nobody but a time traveller can have experience of the future |
| [17:18:33] | justinh: | we can all try to be open-minded & say 'YMMV' though |
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| [17:19:10] | justinh: | and 'improving' is like saying 'well some of it works now whereas none of it worked before'. technically, that IS an improvement |
| [17:19:31] | justinh: | my coding is 'improving'. doesn't mean to say it was ever any fscking use to start with |
| [17:20:25] | gbee: | most (all that I need) of it works now, more so than the nvidia driver does for me atm :) |
| [17:20:43] | justinh: | fairy snuff :) |
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| [17:21:05] | justinh: | I've not even touched ATI since they burned me with that AIW I got about 10 years ago |
| [17:21:50] | iamlindoro_: | There's sort of an interesting thread going between the VAAPI guy and the ffmpeg devs right now |
| [17:22:00] | justinh: | hmmm? |
| [17:22:20] | iamlindoro_: | You can tell he's peeved over being given a bunch of minor corrections, which he then implemented, only to have them basically tell him to refactor all the code, and while he's at it, do it for VDPAU too |
| [17:22:29] | iamlindoro_: | (And I would be peeved too) |
| [17:22:40] | justinh: | eep |
| [17:23:02] | justinh: | their rationale being they can live without? |
| [17:23:32] | justinh: | I'd like "uhh, so YOU do it then" |
| [17:23:48] | iamlindoro_: | I'm never entirely certain what their rationalie is, besides to prove who is the most cerebral coder |
| [17:25:33] | iamlindoro_: | http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/ffmpeg-de . . . /061743.html |
| [17:25:39] | iamlindoro_: | Can pretty much start from there and read down the thread |
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| [17:31:35] | justinh: | seems reasoned to me |
| [17:32:20] | iamlindoro_: | Heh, which part? |
| [17:32:29] | justinh: | michael's replies |
| [17:32:56] | iamlindoro_: | I mean, you can make the argument for both sides, certainly, but a little actual collaboration ever hurt anyone |
| [17:33:16] | iamlindoro_: | never |
| [17:33:17] | justinh: | yeah, everybody's on the defensive |
| [17:33:24] | laga: | "I'd pretty would like VA API support integrated for the next FFmpeg |
| [17:33:25] | laga: | release" |
| [17:33:30] | laga: | ffmpeg doesn't do releases?! |
| [17:33:34] | laga: | sorry for the messed up paste |
| [17:33:35] | iamlindoro_: | They do now (again) |
| [17:33:43] | iamlindoro_: | will be a release in the next two weeks, in fact |
| [17:34:29] | justinh: | looks like they need to sit down & talk to each other about how best to go about it |
| [17:34:50] | laga: | sweet |
| [17:34:55] | iamlindoro_: | I haven't been following the (very passionate) release discussion, but they've decided to do one again and are prepping for a feature freeze and release in the next couple weeks |
| [17:35:06] | iamlindoro_: | There are some folk who are *very* against it, needless to say |
| [17:35:12] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: have they posted up the new commandline switches so we can start learning them already? |
| [17:35:15] | iamlindoro_: | hehe |
| [17:35:19] | iamlindoro_: | doubtful :) |
| [17:35:42] | justinh: | oh yeah, we changed -fc to -fac. no real reason, we just wanted to break people's scripts |
| [17:36:47] | justinh: | benevolent dictatorships. gotta love em. or else |
| [17:37:16] | iamlindoro_: | In fact, there's a thread going right now where two of the major ffmpeg devs are more or less standing in the center of a room punching one another in the face over the release |
| [17:37:24] | iamlindoro_: | amusing in a car crash sort of way |
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| [17:37:53] | ** justinh ponders writing "because after 85 posts nobody here has even provided so much as a block diagram yet" to http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/369595 ** | |
| [17:38:31] | justinh: | THAT is why we can't make an STB :P |
| [17:39:07] | clever: | arent there some STB's you can just pop mythtv into with a CF card? |
| [17:39:19] | justinh: | yes. in the future |
| [17:39:25] | laga: | !trout clever |
| [17:39:25] | ** MythLogBot slaps clever with a trout on behalf of laga... ** | |
| [17:39:25] | ** clever closes his eyes and slaps a person at random and ends up slapping anykey__ 1 ** | |
| [17:39:29] | clever: | i thought the msntv one could allready do it |
| [17:39:31] | iamlindoro_: | I want everyone to buy one of those little Myka boxes with their last dollar and then find out they don't have any documentation on any hardware accel it has |
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| [17:39:51] | justinh: | clever: msntv != STB |
| [17:40:13] | clever: | justinh: its a BOX that goes on TOP of the tv SET |
| [17:40:16] | clever: | set top box! |
| [17:40:30] | justinh: | so's a pack of cigarettes, of a box of chocolates |
| [17:40:37] | ** iamlindoro_ drops a shipping container on clever's TV ** | |
| [17:40:37] | clever: | lol |
| [17:40:42] | iamlindoro_: | There, Set top box! |
| [17:40:46] | clever: | LOL |
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| [17:41:00] | justinh: | I think I'm about to build a mockup of the prefect $99 frontend |
| [17:41:11] | justinh: | it'll even have a mythtv case badge on the front :D |
| [17:41:42] | justinh: | the case is made out of a new material which looks just like brown corrugated cardboard |
| [17:42:16] | justinh: | the optical drive slot looks convincingly like somebody hacked at it with a scalpel |
| [17:42:48] | clever: | i could make a better frontend out of lego blocks:P |
| [17:43:13] | clever: | the transparent ones would work great for the ir receiver:P |
| [17:43:26] | justinh: | some people would use one of them – it'd be better than the HP junk they use now |
| [17:43:46] | justinh: | well. time served. time to mozey on home |
| [17:43:53] | clever: | lol |
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| [18:05:27] | iamlindoro_: | Hmm. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzA0Nw |
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| [18:16:05] | psipsi: | iamlindoro_: cooperation between nVidia and Intel... no way! |
| [18:16:10] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro_: Humm.. I wonder what the coding differences would be between Nvidia's implementation and Intel's... |
| [18:16:40] | iamlindoro_: | J-e-f-f-A|work: Well, they'd both need to hook into vdpau.h, so their differences at a lower level shouldn't matter |
| [18:17:26] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro_: That's cool... So VDPAU could become to Linux what "Direct X" is to Windoze then? |
| [18:17:39] | psipsi: | one can always dream |
| [18:18:54] | psipsi: | Is VDPAU and open spec? Unencumbered by patents and such from nVidia? |
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| [18:19:18] | iamlindoro_: | the VDPAU interface is open, nvidia's own drivers to use it are not |
| [18:19:42] | iamlindoro_: | anyway, VA-API also has VDPAU/Intel/ATI backends, so that may end up the winner, tough to tell |
| [18:19:52] | psipsi: | maybe there is hope... unless there are patent issues |
| [18:19:55] | high-rez: | psipsi: I believe I read that nvidia said it was fine for others to implement the interface (wether they would or not is up to question – vaapi is probably more interesting for4 others). |
| [18:20:57] | high-rez: | I love VDPAU by the way. :) I'm running it on my production frontend now. The only problem I have is weird blocking with mpeg2 hd (random blocks showing up on my atsc content). h264 is great though. |
| [18:21:38] | psipsi: | I'm running VDPAU all the time now too. Decode is fine (mostly H264 here), but occasionally I get a GPU hang. |
| [18:22:31] | psipsi: | Only a reset/reboot will cure the GPU. Starting and stopping X and such has no effect. Might be a cooling issue... |
| [18:23:23] | psipsi: | is there a util to monitor nVidia GPU temp? |
| [18:23:32] | GreyFoxx: | psipsi: I had that happen a couple times when the early 180.xx versions came out |
| [18:23:40] | GreyFoxx: | nvidia-settings will do that |
| [18:23:56] | GreyFoxx: | I use it and some scripts/snmp to graph mine in cacti |
| [18:24:03] | psipsi: | GrayFoxx: thanks I'll look into that... I'm currently running the latest |
| [18:24:18] | psipsi: | cacti is nice |
| [18:24:46] | psipsi: | I typically use raw RRDTool |
| [18:24:54] | high-rez: | GreyFoxx: Could you share the script you use for that? I graph my CPU in cacti – but not GPU :) |
| [18:24:55] | Wayhigh: | nvidia.. blarg.. want to strangle them.. :P |
| [18:25:23] | GreyFoxx: | high-rez: Sure, ask me in a few hours when I'm home and I'll dig it up for you |
| [18:25:35] | high-rez: | GreyFaxx: Awesome man. Thanks. |
| [18:27:32] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: had any time to work on your SG stuff of late? |
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| [18:32:55] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: Yeah, had a Eureka moment today actually |
| [18:33:11] | GreyFoxx: | I refused to commit until I had remove directory folder.jpgs and such working |
| [18:33:16] | GreyFoxx: | which I got going this morning |
| [18:33:36] | GreyFoxx: | So now I need to remove the pages and pages of VERBOSE() crap I've inserted all over the place heh |
| [18:34:30] | GreyFoxx: | DVD iso/video_ts playback wont work (that will require dvdnav updates to use the myhtprotocol ringbuffer) but other than that scanning, playback and now folder covers work |
| [18:34:45] | GreyFoxx: | and the covers are cached like normal images so only pull from remote when they are not in the cache |
| [18:35:20] | GreyFoxx: | so tonight/tomorrow night and I should be commiting in several chunks |
| [18:35:21] | iamlindoro_: | Neat! |
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| [18:36:50] | iamlindoro_: | I'm really looking forward to it |
| [18:37:02] | iamlindoro_: | (and to doing some work related to it) |
| [18:37:30] | iamlindoro_: | Want to get coverart/fanart/banners/etc. into storage groups as well, so I'm eager to see how it's implemented |
| [18:37:41] | GreyFoxx: | I have 1 small mythprotocol change I'm looking to make (and make as unobtusive as possible to still be backward compatible) |
| [18:37:51] | GreyFoxx: | and move 1 small function to it's own routine |
| [18:37:56] | GreyFoxx: | and then just a little cleanup |
| [18:38:30] | iamlindoro_: | may pick your brain about it when I try to apply it to the other stuff |
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| [18:39:38] | GreyFoxx: | You will literally be able to pass myth://group@host:port/path/file.jpg mythui->SetImage |
| [18:40:15] | GreyFoxx: | or myth://host:port/path/file.jpg if you don't want to specify the sg to look in and then it will do the normal search of all groups |
| [18:40:32] | iamlindoro_: | And I (not having looked at any SG code to date) assume the SG "hunt" function will find across all hosts and return the appropriate URL in that format? |
| [18:40:46] | iamlindoro_: | ah, spoke too soon |
| [18:42:04] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: Handling of subdirectories is new in your code too then, yes? |
| [18:42:09] | GreyFoxx: | yes |
| [18:42:12] | iamlindoro_: | nice |
| [18:43:14] | ** GreyFoxx goes to track down a users missing mail ** | |
| [18:43:16] | GreyFoxx: | *sigh* |
| [18:43:23] | iamlindoro_: | thanks for the time/explanation |
| [18:43:24] | GreyFoxx: | that sorta thing bores me :) |
| [18:43:36] | GreyFoxx: | Users CANNOT read error messages |
| [18:43:53] | GreyFoxx: | It's gotta be a biological problem |
| [18:44:17] | justinh: | GreyFoxx: maybe the code should just go & fix whatever they've done wrong ;) |
| [18:44:33] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: heh, just writing up an e-mail talking about how the SG fallback code works |
| [18:44:36] | GreyFoxx: | It's usually typos. user/domain doesn't exist and so on |
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| [18:45:11] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: I'll read the first sentence, then decide it's too long, then post a followup question that was answered in the last paragraph |
| [18:45:15] | iamlindoro_: | (just to make you feel at home) |
| [18:45:16] | GreyFoxx: | or better, user has multiple mail clients popping/imaping and one of them removed the mail from the server and they freak because all their mail is gone :) |
| [18:45:29] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: would be much appreciated... I don't see that nearly enough. |
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| [19:09:13] | bobbob1016: | I can't get audio from mythmusic anymore, I get audio from mythvideo, just not mythmusic. I'm going over spdif, I have my general settings set to "ALSA:default" and everything else is default except I enabled passthrough and 5.1, any ideas? |
| [19:10:02] | bobbob1016: | I forgot to mention, same problem with DVD's, but video files play fine. |
| [19:12:12] | justinh: | maybe ALSA:default just ain't where the SPDIF output lives |
| [19:12:22] | Dagmar: | You know, I think you're probably right |
| [19:12:44] | bobbob1016: | It is for everything else, and I tried ALSA:spdif. |
| [19:12:47] | Dagmar: | bobbob1016: ALSA in most case can be defined as "is not your friend", unfortunately |
| [19:12:50] | justinh: | or maybe you've just not unmuted the IEC958/SPDIF output in your linux mixer which usually mirrors the main PCM channel |
| [19:13:17] | justinh: | because guess what – using the port directly bypasses that channel in the mixer in my experience |
| [19:13:24] | Dagmar: | You're pretty much describing an ALSA problem. You need to look at the way it's set up closely, and or do a speaker test |
| [19:14:06] | justinh: | or, you've assumed the 'volume control' on the SPDIF mixer channel is actually a volume control – and didn't know that it's actually a source selection switch with 3 or 4 positions |
| [19:15:48] | justinh: | the default setting for that, btw (normally 0) is to output what the main PCM channel is doing |
| [19:18:45] | Dagmar: | I'd say there's probably a separate output setting for MythMusic, but since I'm not in front of mine at the moment, I'm not pursuing that line further |
| [19:19:05] | Dagmar: | I bet if speakers were plugged into the normal sound output port that music would come out of them tho |
| [19:20:14] | bobbob1016: | It seems to be something with the internal myth-player. When I play an mpeg I get a black screen, when I set it to play with mplayer, it plays. |
| [19:20:49] | gbee: | Mythmusic can use a different audio device, but by default it uses the system wide setting |
| [19:21:19] | Dagmar: | bobbob1016: What version of Myth? |
| [19:21:41] | gbee: | bobbob1016: you've configured alsa correctly to resample the audio from 41Khz to 44Khz? |
| [19:22:46] | Dagmar: | gbee: The audio could affect the video output? |
| [19:23:49] | bobbob1016: | Dagmar, Where do I see the version? |
| [19:24:28] | justinh: | bobbob1016: using 'ALSA:spdif' would be all well & good if that's actually what alsa is calling your spdif output |
| [19:24:34] | gbee: | Dagmar: going to bet that's an entirely seperate problem |
| [19:24:55] | ** justinh mourns for aplay -L getting its old functionality back ** | |
| [19:25:18] | bobbob1016: | gbee, I thought my receiver could do the conversions, it did before. |
| [19:25:27] | gbee: | he started by talking about videos playing back fine, but audio failing for DVDs and music, that's classic mis-configuration of ALSA |
| [19:26:06] | justinh: | my amp works with 44.1khz as well as 48k, so no mangling of samplerates on the fly :) |
| [19:26:08] | bobbob1016: | The line I was given to get mplayer working was "mplayer -ac hwac3,hwdts," basically saying what to use. |
| [19:26:16] | gbee: | then the black screen with videos problem came up (err, did you just say video worked) but that's unrelated |
| [19:26:51] | justinh: | alsa's resampling is a bit poo |
| [19:26:57] | bobbob1016: | gbee, It worked when I told myth to open mpegs and isos with mplayer, or the "default player" |
| [19:27:10] | gbee: | bobbob1016: follow this first – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Configuring_Digital_Sound |
| [19:27:17] | sphery: | justinh: but most PC sound cards (i.e. those implementing only AC'97 or Intel HDA) don't work with anything except 48kHz AC-3/DTS. |
| [19:27:20] | justinh: | uhoh |
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| [19:27:45] | justinh: | gbee: you say 'follow' but have you seen that page? it's offputting to me |
| [19:27:46] | sphery: | and, many don't work with anything except 48kHz PCM |
| [19:27:54] | bobbob1016: | gbee, I read that one before, but I'll try again |
| [19:28:16] | gbee: | bobbob1016: actually ignore the rest of the page, just follow this – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Configuring_Digita . . . .2C_Properly |
| [19:28:54] | justinh: | yep they still have that damn confusing asound.conf file in there |
| [19:29:04] | gbee: | justinh: the asoundrc config section seemed straightforward to me – as simple as ALSA gets anyway (which means f***ing ugly) |
| [19:29:18] | bobbob1016: | gbee, I went to that part actually, but thanks. I'll try and get back to you guys. (assuming guys) |
| [19:29:35] | justinh: | it's not even a case of copying/pasting it without understanding wth it's doing either.. at least I didn't find it worked for me |
| [19:29:48] | sphery: | I love all the, "you don't need to do this," comments on there (especially since they're only correct in certain situations, but doing it works regardless) |
| [19:30:01] | gbee: | it's pretty much copy/paste, but read through to change the hardware device numbers – useless unless you do that |
| [19:30:14] | Dagmar: | Damn. |
| [19:30:18] | Dagmar: | Some of it is just wrong, too |
| [19:30:31] | sphery: | much of that page is just wrong |
| [19:30:43] | justinh: | it might aswell be trying to patch mythtv with a hex editor as far as I can see it. not that I can see a better way, not knowing alsa inside out |
| [19:30:46] | sphery: | (but likely not in the way you think) |
| [19:30:46] | gbee: | " If you are using a version of ALSA newer than 1.0.12" – that's just plain bullcrap |
| [19:31:13] | justinh: | somebody, PLEASE just make linux audio play nice. I'll pay money & everything |
| [19:31:26] | Dagmar: | sphery: Well, the first thing that caught my eye was `speakertest -c6 -t wav` being pimped out as a way to verify things are working correctly. |
| [19:31:31] | sphery: | Yeah, all that was meant to indicate is that in ALSA 1.0.9, the alsa devs automatically enabled dmix on the /default/ device, only |
| [19:31:47] | sphery: | Dagmar: ok, I'll agree that's wrong, too |
| [19:31:59] | Dagmar: | Nevermind for hte moment that the person might have a 4.1 or 7.1 speaker system, if you don't specify -Dsurround51 then it isn't going to work right |
| [19:32:24] | sphery: | I mean, automatically enabled plug on the default device (not dmix...) |
| [19:32:43] | sphery: | and -Dsurround51 only tests the 5.1 /analog/ output |
| [19:32:46] | gbee: | justinh: OSS did exactly that, not enough people paid, but the OSS4 drivers/system is still miles ahead of ALSA and recently went GPL (again) |
| [19:33:06] | ** sphery longs for the death of ALSA and the change to OSS4+ ** | |
| [19:33:11] | Dagmar: | gbee: How well do those handle hot-pluggable audio devices? |
| [19:33:11] | justinh: | I bet what information there is on that wiki page could be made suitable for human beings, even if it made it ten pages long |
| [19:33:13] | Dagmar: | Any idea? |
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| [19:33:34] | sphery: | justinh: ALSA can't be made suitable for human consumption... |
| [19:33:36] | justinh: | so is OSS4 backwards compatible with 'old' OSS ? |
| [19:33:40] | gbee: | Dagmar: well worked extremely well with my USB audio speakers |
| [19:33:43] | Dagmar: | justinh: I'm probably about to fork the speakertest invocation onto it's own damn page |
| [19:33:56] | gbee: | but that's the limit of my experience with hot pluggable audio and OSS |
| [19:34:01] | justinh: | or is it a whole new API ? |
| [19:34:06] | sphery: | OSS3 isn't compatible with old OSS... "old" OSS is a fork of a specific ancient version of OSS that's nothing like the real OSS |
| [19:34:21] | justinh: | ahh as simple as that huh ;) |
| [19:34:30] | sphery: | the real OSS is good, the forked in-kernel version is garbage |
| [19:34:40] | justinh: | do you mean OSS or OSS, or OSS ? ;) |
| [19:34:44] | sphery: | exactly |
| [19:34:59] | sphery: | best to think of in-kernel OSS as having nothing in common with OSS |
| [19:35:09] | justinh: | it's a miracle we ever hear anything, then :) |
| [19:35:16] | jams: | justinh- if you asking if OSS4 wil work with programs that have "oss" support the answer is yes |
| [19:35:22] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | OSS on Tandem = Open System Software ;-) A POSIX Unix 'shell' environment... ;-) |
| [19:35:29] | justinh: | jams: yes, that's basically what I meant |
| [19:35:30] | sphery: | if a PC sound card made the sound of a tree falling, would anyone hear it? |
| [19:35:47] | gbee: | sphery: not if they use ALSA |
| [19:35:52] | laga: | sphery: are there speakers hooked up? |
| [19:36:00] | jams: | justinh- works without problems, they provide legacy /dev/dsp nodes for that reason |
| [19:36:10] | justinh: | jams: nifty :) |
| [19:36:20] | sphery: | justinh: but using legacy OSS support with new OSS is akin to using legacy OSS support with ALSA |
| [19:36:33] | justinh: | I'd hate to try & do anything pro audio in linux because of all the er.. issues |
| [19:36:36] | sphery: | i.e. you get the garbage capabilities of legacy in-kernel OSS |
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| [19:36:47] | justinh: | though it's not that much better with ASIO on windows either |
| [19:37:19] | jams: | sphery- no you don't |
| [19:37:44] | sphery: | jams: just saying you don't get the advances support provided by current OSS |
| [19:37:51] | Dagmar: | gbee: Well, I mean one of the shortcomings of ALSA is that it doesn't handle hot-pluggable audio devices gracefully. Try unplugging those speakers while they're working and watch ALSA get all snitty about it |
| [19:38:32] | gbee: | Dagmar: heh, well ALSA used to lockup the whole machine when I tried to use those speakers, let alone unplug them while in use :) |
| [19:38:40] | jams: | i guess. I use OSS4 on all my machines and love it. spdif passwthrough and everything |
| [19:38:48] | Dagmar: | Yeah, see ALSA does't have the stuff in place to handle those events properly, and they know it |
| [19:39:13] | jams: | ALSA is not allowed except for in cases of OSS4 doesn't have the driver. |
| [19:39:23] | Dagmar: | They're going to have to do some substantial refactoring (so I'm told) in order to make it possible for devices to appear and disappear without causing the OS and apps undue grief. |
| [19:39:57] | Dagmar: | USB devices that are "just there" shouldn't cause any major problems, but don't expect a USB headset to work for longer than one plugin |
| [19:40:15] | Dibblah: | There's always pulseaudio, if you're into masochism. |
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| [19:40:30] | Dagmar: | Dibbah: You're not kidding, either |
| [19:40:46] | gbee: | I loved the api of OSS, wanted to update mythfrontend to use it since it would make the audio setup much more pleasant for those using OSS4 – proper user friendly device names and auto-detection of devices etc |
| [19:41:06] | Dibblah: | For bonus points, get it to run in the system context, rather than as the user. <sob> |
| [19:41:20] | bobbob1016: | gbee, Dagmar, I followed that wiki, I copied the .asoundrc, and nothing. I tried "aplay -D digital /path/to/file.au" and I heard sound, set myth to the same thing, and nothing still. |
| [19:41:29] | sphery: | jams: yeah, and if you had programs that used the OSS4 API's, you'd be in heaven... |
| [19:41:35] | Dagmar: | bobbob1016: So where'd you get the idea to use the name 'digital'? |
| [19:41:37] | Dibblah: | bobbob1016: What's in the logs? |
| [19:42:05] | gbee: | as I keep saying pulseaudio is crappy band-aid plastered over a gaping wound (Alsa) |
| [19:42:39] | bobbob1016: | Dagmar, Right above where it says "~/.asoundrc" http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Configuring_Digita . . . .2C_Properly |
| [19:43:16] | gbee: | bobbob1016: use mixed-digital |
| [19:43:16] | Dibblah: | PA _could_ be nice. Inbuilt up/downsampling, network capable. It's just buggy as a buggy thing on the buggy buggy pills. |
| [19:43:35] | bobbob1016: | Dibblah, Which log am I looking at? |
| [19:43:47] | Dibblah: | mythfrontend.log |
| [19:43:55] | Dibblah: | ... Probably. |
| [19:44:05] | Dagmar: | bobbob1016: So, it would help if you woulnd't assume everything is correct on a page we're openly discussing being horribly broken |
| [19:44:15] | gbee: | Dibblah: it's let down by being based upon alsa |
| [19:44:29] | gbee: | house built on sand etc |
| [19:44:49] | Dagmar: | bobbob1016: Did you set MythMusic to use that output, or have you even checked that? |
| [19:45:13] | gbee: | bobbob1016: you want mixed-digital to do the automatic re-mixing of the audio to the right sample rate |
| [19:45:19] | bobbob1016: | Dagmar, I'm not reading this while looking things up, or reading a wiki, so I didn't notice you were being down on it. |
| [19:45:34] | Dagmar: | Me and everyone else |
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| [19:45:42] | Dagmar: | The page leaves out important bits of information |
| [19:45:48] | bobbob1016: | Dagmar, I don't see a setting for mythmusic |
| [19:46:30] | gbee: | bobbob1016: sorry, I meant "dmix-digital" |
| [19:46:33] | bobbob1016: | Dagmar, As in I can't find a setting that says "mythmusic outputs to this hardware" or anything similar, only an option in general settings. |
| [19:46:38] | sphery: | don't use dmix-digital |
| [19:46:46] | sphery: | only names you should use are: default, analog, mixed-analog, digital, or mixed-digital |
| [19:46:53] | sphery: | so, mixed-digital was right |
| [19:47:07] | gbee: | heh, getting myself mixed up ;) |
| [19:47:12] | gbee: | mixed-digital |
| [19:47:16] | sphery: | yeah, easy to do with that config file. |
| [19:47:35] | sphery: | probably written by some crazy person who likes to inflict pain on others |
| [19:47:51] | jams: | so gbee whats the bounty for getting you to stop ui and take a side journy to get OSS4 support into mythv =) |
| [19:48:24] | ** iamlindoro_ whacks jams with a trout and stashes him in the trunk ** | |
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| [19:48:44] | sphery: | for a while there, it looked like he would--when only the OSS4 drivers supported the HDMI audio on his ATI system, but then I think ALSA got support... :( |
| [19:49:01] | sphery: | and now, he may even be using NVIDIA |
| [19:49:14] | Dagmar: | Oh what the hell |
| [19:49:16] | bobbob1016: | mixed-digital didn't do it, worked with aplay, but not myth |
| [19:49:29] | Dagmar: | Pardon while I remove stuff from the MythMusic page that has *nothing* to do with mythMusic |
| [19:49:34] | RDV_Linux: | iamlindoro: Is there a way to tell the last time meta data had been updated? I ask this as thetvdb and themoviedb sites are constantly being updated. I want to create a script that efficiently keeps my MythTV meta data in sync with the information on those sites. At least thetvdb.com has a "lastupdated" field in their information. |
| [19:50:02] | gbee: | jams: heh, at this very moment it would be pricey :) |
| [19:50:03] | iamlindoro_: | RDV_Linux: No, there is no DB field in MythVideo for that |
| [19:50:07] | sphery: | bobbob1016: what do you have for Myth's Audio Output Device? It should be ALSA:mixed-digital with Mixer Device set to ALSA:default (yes, even though there's no such thing--long story though) |
| [19:50:17] | RDV_Linux: | Thanks |
| [19:50:38] | iamlindoro_: | RDV_Linux: NP, good work on the script so far |
| [19:50:45] | sphery: | bobbob1016: but, if you're configuring the /default/ device to work the same as ALSA:mixed-digital, you would uncomment the line: slave.pcm "dmix-digital" in the pcm.!default stanza |
| [19:51:10] | bobbob1016: | Here's my error from my logs, as far as I can tell, 2009-02–09 14:48:30.372 AudioOutput Error: snd_pcm_open(mixed-digital): No such file or directory |
| [19:51:20] | RDV_Linux: | When you say so far I think it is missing something you want. Just ask I am between scripts at the moment. |
| [19:51:26] | sphery: | bobbob1016: then you would use ALSA:default for /both/ Audio Ooutput Device and Mixer Device |
| [19:51:30] | gbee: | RDV_Linux: be careful though, TMDB has asked API developers to be considerate and try to keep the load on their servers as low as possible, caching as much as possible and not re-requesting the same information all the time |
| [19:51:57] | sphery: | bobbob1016: that means you're not using that ALSA conf... Best bet, put it in as /etc/asound.conf (back up the old one before replacing it) |
| [19:52:05] | bobbob1016: | sphery, I had that, I'll try it again. |
| [19:52:21] | sphery: | bobbob1016: you also have to restart all ALSA clients after chanign the ALSA config (i.e. ~/.asoundrc or /etc/asound.conf) |
| [19:52:29] | gbee: | so unless querying that last-modified tag can be done without pulling down all the rest of the data |
| [19:52:32] | sphery: | oh, and delete ~/.asoundrc if you put the file in /etc/asound.conf |
| [19:52:38] | RDV_Linux: | The tv_api.py module I use has caching built in. I also check locally to make sure I only request information I do not already have. |
| [19:52:39] | sphery: | ALSA client being mythfrontend |
| [19:54:25] | iamlindoro_: | RDV_Linux: No, there's nothing lacking in the script that I am aware of, I am waiting for a patch of mine to get committed and then I will probably look closer at it, but it seems you've done a good job |
| [19:55:12] | iamlindoro_: | RDV_Linux: If/when it's committed to myth it might be wise to import a copy of the prerequisite couple scripts since it'd be nice to avoid a new dep |
| [19:55:47] | iamlindoro_: | And since it seems like the tv_api.py stuff is GPL that wouldn't be a problem (not up to me, though) |
| [19:56:46] | RDV_Linux: | ttvdb.py is missing the -M (list) option supported by tmdb.pl that is because the tv_api.py I will probably ask the modules developer if he will accept my patch to his code so -M can be supported. |
| [19:57:01] | bobbob1016: | sphery, Is "/etc/init.d/alsasound restart" good enough for restarting my alsa. I'm still not getting any sound from mythmusic. |
| [19:57:12] | iamlindoro_: | RDV_Linux: That sounds like a good plan |
| [19:58:11] | bobbob1016: | sphery, I got sound, one second.... |
| [19:59:33] | bobbob1016: | sphery, It works, thanks all |
| [19:59:48] | RDV_Linux: | I agree with you on the dependency issue. I figure that the need for additional installation of scripts would turn people off of using ttvdb.py. It is a shame as in general I would rather the author of tvdb_api.py also maintain single source for the code. I will talk it over with him to see what he thinks. |
| [20:00:39] | iamlindoro_: | RDV_Linux: The alternative is to just take his code and integrate it into your script and give him credit, with the occasional (if necessary) resync |
| [20:00:47] | sphery: | bobbob1016: restarting alsa clients means restarting mythfrontend |
| [20:01:02] | iamlindoro_: | But I don't anticipate the TVDB API changing so much that the existing functionality stops working |
| [20:01:14] | bobbob1016: | sphery, Actually one minor problem left, I use a remote, Windows MCE old I think, and it won't control DVD's, but not a big issue. |
| [20:01:55] | sphery: | bobbob1016: sounds like you have your system configured to use an external player for DVD playback and you didn't configure LIRC (i.e. your ~/.lircrc ) for that program (mplayer/xine) |
| [20:02:09] | sphery: | bobbob1016: change Myth to use Internal to play back DVD's and the remote will work |
| [20:02:11] | RDV_Linux: | That is possible. I have already communicated with him and he was thrilled that someone else was using his code. I am due to tell him I submitted my script to Mythtv. |
| [20:02:15] | sphery: | (or configure the external player) |
| [20:02:35] | bobbob1016: | sphery, Actually, I tried it in some other things, and it seems to not work anywhere now, one sec... |
| [20:03:19] | iamlindoro_: | RDV_Linux: Well, if you've already got a good working relationship with him, go with whatever seems right, I'm just saying for the sake of preventing adding another dep it might be wise to import the supporting script wholesale into the myth codebase |
| [20:04:01] | iamlindoro_: | RDV_Linux: You should probably ask Anduin how he would like you to handle that, I am just saying things that might make sense, he's the boss |
| [20:04:08] | bobbob1016: | sphery, It won't even register when I go to "Edit Keys" |
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| [20:04:44] | Dagmar: | register? |
| [20:04:56] | iamlindoro_: | RDV_Linux: Having the -M functionality is probably a "must" as there are going to be multiple versions of some shows, so hopefully he's amenable to your change |
| [20:05:05] | bobbob1016: | Dagmar, Register as in "register that I pressed a button" |
| [20:05:21] | bobbob1016: | Dagmar, or "acknowledge I pressed something" |
| [20:05:57] | Dagmar: | Hmm... It seems reasonable you should be able to do that, but I've never tried to use that for anything beyond assigning keys on the keybaord to something. |
| [20:06:19] | Dagmar: | I somewhat assumed that the keybind editor was *just* for keyboard binds. |
| [20:06:25] | iamlindoro_: | Indeed it is |
| [20:06:35] | iamlindoro_: | And then you bind the keyboard to the remote in lircrc |
| [20:06:50] | Dagmar: | So to be perfectly clear, the volume up and down buttons work when you're watching a recording, but not when you're watching a DVD? |
| [20:06:52] | iamlindoro_: | so Edit Keys in the UI->Keyboard->Remote in ~/.lircrc |
| [20:07:04] | Dagmar: | Actually screw that... how about the PAUSE button? |
| [20:07:10] | sphery: | bobbob1016: edit keys edits keybindings using a keyboard... then you have LIRC send the string that equates to the key you set with edit keys |
| [20:07:12] | Dagmar: | There's too many ways volume could be misconfigured |
| [20:07:21] | Anduin: | RDV_Linux: I don't mind including other dependencies assuming the license is correct, imdbpy isn't included to make it harder to abuse, though some distro packages exist |
| [20:07:31] | sphery: | bobbob1016: and edit keys does /not/ do anything for LIRC config of external programs (like mplayer/xine) |
| [20:07:33] | Dagmar: | sphery: Okay, so the keybind editor doesn't have anything to do with the remote then. |
| [20:08:06] | sphery: | not really |
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| [20:08:48] | Dagmar: | bobbob1016: If the pause button works when playing recordings but not when watching a DVD (FBI warning section notwithstanding) then you need to revert to using the internal myth player for DVD playback |
| [20:08:50] | RDV_Linux: | I will communicate more once I talked with him. What is "Anduin" handle or how can I contact him? I suspect that there should be a MythTV specific api key from thetvdb.api if the code was brought into the mythtv code base. |
| [20:09:00] | bobbob1016: | sphery, When I did edit keys, I selected a blank space, and it said "Press a key" and it didn't acknowledge the remote. I'll play with it a bit, and see if I can get it working. |
| [20:09:02] | iamlindoro_: | RDV_Linux: He just talked to you :) |
| [20:09:03] | sphery: | there have been many ideas (and not much code--none directly usable) to allow it to do remote button binding as well as keyboard key binding, but the one-time-pain of configuring the remote doesn't make it a high-priority change |
| [20:09:10] | iamlindoro_: | RDV_Linux: See about 8 lines ago |
| [20:09:13] | Dagmar: | bobbob1016: The remote is not a keyboard. |
| [20:09:20] | RDV_Linux: | I cannot type and read:) |
| [20:09:20] | bobbob1016: | Dagmar, It isn't working for navigation or anything, let alone video/dvd |
| [20:09:35] | Dagmar: | bobbob1016: Myth gets signals from the remote in a manner entirely differently from the way it catches keystrokes |
| [20:09:36] | sphery: | bobbob1016: press key on a keyboard, then edit LIRC config to send that key when that remote button is pressed |
| [20:09:51] | sphery: | 2-step process |
| [20:09:53] | Dagmar: | bobbob1016: So does it work when you're playing a recording and for sure using the internal player? |
| [20:10:14] | Dagmar: | bobbob1016: If you use an external player like MPlayer or Xine you MUST ALSO configure them to work with LIRC. |
| [20:10:18] | iamlindoro_: | RDV_Linux: But the API key thing is trivial, I have one I registered for Myth, and at least one other person has done the same-- if it gets imported I'll hand over my EPI key stuff |
| [20:10:25] | iamlindoro_: | er API |
| [20:10:32] | bobbob1016: | Dagmar, No, it doesn't work anywhere. I'll play with it, like I said. |
| [20:10:39] | bobbob1016: | Thanks again for all the help. |
| [20:10:45] | Dagmar: | OKay, so then the problem is that LIRC ISN"T WORKING, not that Myth has a problem with it |
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| [20:11:35] | RDV_Linux: | Anduin: Should MythTV have its own api key from thetvdb.com? If the answer is yes then who should make that request on behalf of MythTV. I believe that tmdb.pl has a mythtv specific api key. |
| [20:11:37] | bobbob1016: | Dagmar, The problem is that LIRC *STOPPED* working, while playing with myth settings, that is what I was trying to diagnose. I know it isn't anything to do with myth settings, probably, but just saying. |
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| [20:12:11] | gbee: | lircd crashed or similar |
| [20:12:13] | Dagmar: | *sigh* |
| [20:12:25] | Dagmar: | I fail to see how that materially differs from "lirc is not working" |
| [20:12:29] | Anduin: | RDV_Linux: I think iamlindoro_ just said he has one, so whatever he has. |
| [20:12:58] | iamlindoro_: | yep, welcome to mine and I mentioned Myth when registering it (not that they cost anything, takes five minutes to set up, so a non-issue) |
| [20:13:47] | gbee: | they just use the API keys to narrow down abuses to a particular group, it's not that secure though, anyone has access to the keys .... |
| [20:13:57] | RDV_Linux: | Thanks all, my next step is to see what the tvdb_api.py developer want to do. More later. |
| [20:14:00] | Anduin: | Yeah, I've spent no time looking at it, I will say that I'm looking forward to someone abandoning er contributing a python grabber though. |
| [20:14:17] | gbee: | heh |
| [20:14:46] | gbee: | downside to any python based grabber is that non of the devs really know/like python, so they tend to go unloved |
| [20:15:05] | iamlindoro_: | With any luck the TVDB API will remain stable enough that it shouldn't need too much love |
| [20:15:10] | Anduin: | I prefer it to perl so for once I was being serious :) |
| [20:15:30] | iamlindoro_: | And hey, anything's better than "It's Tuesday, IMDB changed their site, FIXITNOWOMG" |
| [20:15:41] | gbee: | well someone has to love it I guess ;) |
| [20:15:53] | jams: | hehehe |
| [20:16:00] | Dagmar: | That and perl stomps python for that sort of work |
| [20:17:01] | gbee: | lets all agree that it's a good thing it's not Ruby |
| [20:17:12] | RDV_Linux: | Sorry only just learned python it reminded me of my first professional computer language (Business Basic on mini-computers). Yes I am old. |
| [20:17:18] | jams: | gbee that i can agree with |
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| [20:17:42] | iamlindoro_: | 10 Print "MythTV TVDB Grabber" |
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| [20:18:02] | ** unimaginative pulls out the AppleIIe ** | |
| [20:18:09] | RDV_Linux: | :) |
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| [20:18:58] | RDV_Linux: | My favourite language was C but it was a very long time since I wrote any code. |
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| [20:20:52] | Anduin: | RDV_Linux: whatever you do contribute will likely undergo many changes before the release, all grabbers are going to receive at least an interface rewrite, something that currently works will be a nice starting point though. |
| [20:21:07] | Dagmar: | RDV_Linux: You should take a crack at perl. It takes like a week to learn |
| [20:21:45] | Dagmar: | Maybe a month or two to learn _well_ |
| [20:21:52] | Anduin: | and on the bright side you can spend the rest of your life trying to read what you wrote in it |
| [20:22:04] | Dagmar: | If you're a crappy programmer, sure |
| [20:22:18] | ** iamlindoro_ stores food for the forthcoming jihad ** | |
| [20:22:26] | iamlindoro_: | carry on |
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| [20:23:18] | Dagmar: | People can write unreadable code in pretty much any language |
| [20:23:21] | RDV_Linux: | Anduin: No problem. I had hesitated even writing it as I aware of allot of changes in this area. |
| [20:23:26] | KungFuJesus: | Dagmar: dude do you have to destroy everyone's confidence? :( |
| [20:23:46] | KungFuJesus: | now python, you gotta be a real idiot if you can't learn python in a week |
| [20:23:50] | justinh: | aww Alanis Morissette's CD is broken |
| [20:24:12] | KungFuJesus: | :-p perl is funky, especially if you're not very familiar with regex's |
| [20:24:24] | iamlindoro_: | RDV_Linux: I'm glad you did, as Anduin says, it's great to have a starting point |
| [20:24:25] | Dagmar: | KungFuJesus: After you've been coding for 20 years, you start to wonder how most programmers get dressed in the morning without choking on their socks. |
| [20:25:04] | Dagmar: | KungFuJesus: Regexps are not perl. They are useable by perl. |
| [20:25:18] | RDV_Linux: | Dagmar: If I took up a different language on linux it would be C as I really loved its power. |
| [20:25:18] | Dagmar: | You might as well blame C because inline assembly is "too terse" |
| [20:25:22] | KungFuJesus: | oh I know, but they're a huge integral part of using perl |
| [20:25:40] | laga: | i find regexes in perl easy |
| [20:25:45] | laga: | much better than in java or python |
| [20:25:52] | KungFuJesus: | I mean, practical extraction and reporting language – the title says it all |
| [20:25:52] | Dagmar: | They're a huge integral part of anything that does text parsing, which is a huge part of perl. |
| [20:26:01] | KungFuJesus: | yep |
| [20:26:32] | KungFuJesus: | I always forget regex's like 15 minutes after I learn them :( |
| [20:26:47] | justinh: | KungFuJesus: you & me both. and others. loads of others |
| [20:26:54] | laga: | they stick for me |
| [20:26:56] | justinh: | as for the bits of c++ I get by with. oh boy |
| [20:27:11] | Dagmar: | It's hard to remember what \d matches? |
| [20:27:34] | justinh: | without googling.. yeah. and I've used regex in every perl program I've ever written |
| [20:27:55] | justinh: | not that I'd call them programs mind. hackish scripts :P |
| [20:28:08] | KungFuJesus: | well digit is easy to remember but the more specific it gets, the uglier they get |
| [20:28:13] | Dagmar: | Now, I will admit I get \d and \D (and \w and \W and so on) mixed up, but... they're at least easy to remember as digits, words, and whiteSpace |
| [20:28:40] | justinh: | still, at least they don't change like ffmpeg arguments :D |
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| [20:28:44] | Dagmar: | KungFuJesus: ...and strictly speaking, that's not perl's "fault" as it's mainly an extention of C regexp libraries |
| [20:28:57] | KungFuJesus: | I just posted my question to the mailing list but feel free to answer it if anyone knows the answer |
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| [20:29:17] | KungFuJesus: | Dagmar: right, and regex's are pretty much identical across the board with several languages |
| [20:29:26] | Dagmar: | God I wish |
| [20:29:36] | Dagmar: | SOME of the operators are the same all over |
| [20:29:51] | KungFuJesus: | again, the more specific the uglier the monster |
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| [20:30:05] | justinh: | KungFuJesus: so I'm a real idiot, cos I couldn't learn python. so what? |
| [20:30:10] | Dagmar: | The way bash kind of rolls it's own versions is something someone should probably get a few lashes of the whip for |
| [20:30:12] | KungFuJesus: | I mean gnu grep and POSIX grep are entirely different :-p |
| [20:30:14] | justinh: | couldn't/wouldn't :P |
| [20:30:32] | justinh: | no, not even to unleash the power of clutter |
| [20:30:35] | Deffie: | anyone decoding nds ? |
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| [20:30:51] | justinh: | Deffie: oh, only people with STBs & valid viewing cards matey |
| [20:31:03] | iamlindoro_: | Deffie: Not welcome in this channel |
| [20:31:29] | justinh: | or that greyish, probably T&C breaking 3rd party hardware CAM |
| [20:31:39] | Deffie: | i'm talking about common interface and valid cards |
| [20:31:49] | justinh: | well, there's no official NDS CAM |
| [20:32:00] | justinh: | only the grey one, and you can't talk about that here either |
| [20:32:24] | justinh: | oops. there IS an official one, but it's stuck inside propriatary hardware |
| [20:32:35] | laga: | dremel action! |
| [20:32:56] | Deffie: | ok then please forget my question, ill sit here and follow your discussions :) |
| [20:33:22] | Dagmar: | Smart man. |
| [20:34:20] | justinh: | it's a pity too, because a lot of people would benefit.. and the service providers would too, the tight assed gits |
| [20:34:34] | justinh: | s/gits/Murdoch |
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| [20:41:39] | sphery: | "Mythtv crashes when switching channel" Then don't do that. (a.k.a. Don't use LiveTV :) |
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| [20:44:55] | sandeen: | if I added a tuner card, and previously scheduled programs had conflicts, how can I make the scheduler re-evaluate the conflict in the face of the fact that it has another tuner to use now? |
| [20:46:56] | Dagmar: | Probably restart the backend |
| [20:47:44] | iamlindoro_: | If your recording rules were correct and they both share the same lineup, then it should be done automagically |
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| [20:48:25] | iamlindoro_: | ie, make sure you didn't create a second listings source, but instead attached the existing one to the second tuner |
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| [20:54:07] | iamlindoro_: | Good lord, what is it that makes out of shape adult human beings dress up as cartoon characters and run around half-naked with their guts hanging out? Can we please address this through gene therapy? |
| [20:54:53] | jduggan: | what have you got against guts!! |
| [20:55:00] | jduggan: | i mean, right on! :( |
| [20:55:02] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro_: Hey, how'd you get my halloween pics from last year? ;-) Oh wait, I was "Dilbert", not half-naked... ;-) |
| [20:56:47] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work cheers as his 2nd RMA'd 500GB WD replacement arrived today... ;-) ** | |
| [20:57:08] | gbee: | yay! |
| [20:57:10] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Now i just need a MB like iamlindoro_'s... ;-) |
| [20:57:13] | gbee: | ... err, what? |
| [20:58:10] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | gbee: I had 2 500's fail ~4 months ago, killing my software Raid5... RMA'd them and switched to storage groups... finally got the 2nd drive today... |
| [20:59:04] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | re: Motherboard — More SATA ports... ;-) Mine has 6 on-board, and 2 on a PCIe card... bios will only boot with 8 sata drives... [doh!]... His MB has 10 sata ports IIRC... |
| [20:59:28] | gbee: | seems kinda backwards to be celebrating the fact that two identical drives failed and were replaced .. by the same troublesome model :) |
| [21:00:04] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | gbee: yeah, but perhaps the Raid had something to do with it... I dunno... At least I've got a drive to throw in another system now. ;-) I replaced the 2 bad ones with other brands... |
| [21:02:18] | gbee: | my new board only has 5 and one e-sata |
| [21:02:46] | gbee: | but since I'm not planning to cram in a tonne of additional drives, it's not a big deal |
| [21:02:59] | AndyCap: | The quest for cheap pcie sata ports is still fruitless |
| [21:03:17] | justinh: | depends what you call cheap |
| [21:03:30] | gbee: | no room in the case anyway, can't access the first 3 ports since the drive carriage is in the way |
| [21:03:39] | justinh: | I bought a 4 port pcie sata & esata controller for less than £50 for work |
| [21:04:14] | justinh: | from a Mac specialist outlet of all places. works on windows & linux too :) |
| [21:04:19] | justinh: | and it's PM aware |
| [21:04:29] | AndyCap: | justinh: an actual 4 port or one of those lying b-tards that have 2 esata and 2 sata and you only can use 2 at a time? |
| [21:04:29] | sandeen: | Dagmar, iamlindoro ok, thanks... hrm |
| [21:04:37] | AndyCap: | i.e. Sil's pcie offering |
| [21:04:51] | justinh: | never used more than one at a time |
| [21:04:53] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | AndyCap: It wouldn't matter in my case — my MB only sees the 1st 8 sata drives on POST to select from for booting... I suppose I could get by as long as the boot drives (2 mirrored drives) are in the top eight though... |
| [21:05:02] | sandeen: | Dagmar, iamlindoro they do share a lineup & the backend has been restarted |
| [21:05:15] | ** sandeen digs a little more ** | |
| [21:05:15] | ** justinh wonders where all the CD albums disappear in this house ** | |
| [21:06:00] | AndyCap: | justinh: Sil3132 I guess. |
| [21:06:17] | justinh: | sounds familiar |
| [21:06:35] | justinh: | gets great xfer rates with our 5-disc esata jbod thingy though |
| [21:06:54] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | AndyCap: that's what my 2-port raid1 card is... |
| [21:06:55] | Dagmar: | lSee Also: [[Using ALSA's speaker-test utility]] |
| [21:07:01] | AndyCap: | Yeah. I guess Marvell Sil and Intel are the ones to get for PMP |
| [21:07:01] | Dagmar: | bleh misclick |
| [21:07:19] | justinh: | PMP? |
| [21:08:00] | justinh: | the motherboard in the machine I use in the lab has 8 ports, but not a single one works with a port multiplier |
| [21:08:05] | AndyCap: | uh, port multiplier. one P too much |
| [21:08:10] | jpabq: | J-e-f-f, I have the same MB that iamlindoro has. I also have one of these http://anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3508 and it is every bit as good, if you don't need the x4 PCIe slots and 4 NICs. |
| [21:08:15] | justinh: | heh |
| [21:08:23] | AndyCap: | where did I see PMP |
| [21:08:55] | AndyCap: | ah, yes, linux-ata.org uses PMP for multiplier and PM for power management |
| [21:09:17] | justinh: | Port MultiPlier. blech |
| [21:09:46] | justinh: | spose we're too far gone to talk abotu acronym hell :D |
| [21:10:01] | justinh: | TLAs... SOBs... |
| [21:10:21] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | jpabq: I see 8 sata ports – I thought his had 10? — Don't really need the extra nic ports, but one would be nice for a dedicated HDHomeRun connection. ;-) |
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| [21:11:26] | iamlindoro_: | J-e-f-f-A|work: He has the board I have and the one he linked. The one I have does indeed have 10 |
| [21:11:56] | jpabq: | J-e-f-f, yeah, the "fancy" one has 10, BUT, 4 of those are on a port-mulitplier, so share bandwidth. The cheaper one only has 8, but no port multipliers in use. |
| [21:12:35] | iamlindoro_: | I have a PCIe SATA controller with 8 so I use the 6 on the mobo without PMP and the 8 on the card, have left the other four alone for now |
| [21:12:47] | AndyCap: | iamlindoro_: which controller is that? |
| [21:12:58] | iamlindoro_: | I don't recall off the top of my head. A Highpoint |
| [21:13:10] | jpabq: | J-e-f-f, add a few of these http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816132008 and you can driver 14 SATA |
| [21:13:39] | iamlindoro_: | One of their RocketRAID cards IIRC |
| [21:13:45] | AndyCap: | at the expense of one pcie slot for each sata port. |
| [21:14:03] | jpabq: | one pcie for each pair of sata. yes. |
| [21:14:20] | AndyCap: | jpabq: *ho-hum* yes, each pair. :) |
| [21:14:22] | iamlindoro_: | I can afford to give up a PCIe slot for 8 x SATA |
| [21:15:00] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | jpabq: I've got one of thos (marketed under a different brand name) as my mirrored system/database disk. ;-) |
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| [21:15:26] | jpabq: | http://anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3508 has plenty of PCIe slots. I actually have my vid card in the second "x16" slot (which means it only sees 8 lanes), and use the primary x16 for a sata controller. |
| [21:15:35] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | jpabq: er "those" ;-) The 6 on-board ports are all for my storage group drives. |
| [21:16:53] | jpabq: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . &Tpk=dq6 is a great board, but I am not sure it is worth the extra expense — even with the rebate. |
| [21:19:43] | gbee: | the business of rebates still fascinates me, just don't exist over here, I'm assuming because the law doesn't allow it |
| [21:20:09] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | jpabq: Humm... ;-) Nice – a tad on the expensive side... And at least for now, I'd rather have ordinary PCI slots. ;-) (My current MB has 4 PCI, 1-PCIe 1x, 1-PCIe 16x, 1-PCIe 4x |
| [21:20:49] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | gbee: Yeah, they're just collecting money on the interest that you're loaning them for 3 months basically... |
| [21:21:14] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: not to mention they (correctly) rely on most people never to redeem them according to the draconian set of rules they lay out |
| [21:21:25] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | gbee: That, and counting on the fact that many people forget to ^^^ darn you! ;-) |
| [21:22:25] | gbee: | aye, seems like a con if you ask me |
| [21:22:40] | gbee: | think I've already had this conversation |
| [21:23:12] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | gbee: It can be... sometimes you have to 'chase' them to make sure you get your rebate... Sometimes it's more of a hassle then it's worth. |
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| [21:28:05] | gbee: | here all discounts are applied at the till |
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| [21:43:49] | sphery: | "Commercial PVR offerings – is MythTv still competitive ?" Were we ever competing? |
| [21:43:58] | kormoc: | Nopers! |
| [21:44:25] | Dagmar: | Let me guess... |
| [21:44:34] | Dagmar: | That's a headline from the of the faces of the OSNews site? |
| [21:45:04] | sphery: | even more reliable source... Subject from a -users list post. |
| [21:45:19] | Dagmar: | Probably someone giving their upcoming news article a test run, then |
| [21:45:46] | justinh: | oh aye because the only reason any of us are using mythtv is because it's cheaper than a tivo |
| [21:46:08] | Dagmar: | Maybe if you buy your TiVOs from a shifty-looking guy working out of the back of his truc. |
| [21:46:13] | Dagmar: | s/truc/truck/; |
| [21:46:17] | justinh: | I mean, apart from the hardware costs, the time we spend nurturing it, and how much tech support costs |
| [21:46:49] | Dagmar: | ...who promises you that what he sells you has been modified to pick up "all" channels and has four million hours of storage capacity |
| [21:46:56] | AndyCap: | when your recordings go poof in the night. where's your commerical offering then. |
| [21:46:58] | sphery: | Yeah, he's saying that the Bell satelite-co DVR he just read about seems like it's better than Myth. |
| [21:47:17] | Dagmar: | Someone should just ask him how long he's been working for Bell and does he like it there. |
| [21:47:28] | justinh: | riight. so it plays DVD, music, lets you skip commercials and play faster than real time? |
| [21:47:30] | dustybin: | how is .22 coming along? are a lot of bugs to iron out? |
| [21:47:30] | sphery: | and, yeah, he's focusing on cost |
| [21:47:33] | AndyCap: | oh, your harddrive makes strange noises, bye bye recordings. |
| [21:47:39] | ** dustybin trys to find the bug tracker link ** | |
| [21:47:53] | sphery: | IMHO, if anyone has a Myth system that's cheaper than any equivalent cable/sat co DVR, they're not doing it right |
| [21:48:13] | dustybin: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/roadmap |
| [21:48:15] | iamlindoro_: | Though you'd never know it from the chorus of "What's the cheapest X I can buy" |
| [21:48:25] | dustybin: | 69% complete! bloody heck |
| [21:48:35] | justinh: | I tried defecting to an off the shelf solution for a PVR, but believe me even the 'best' sucked |
| [21:48:37] | dustybin: | i thought it would be around 20% |
| [21:48:44] | AndyCap: | "Due to the new dvd release, we have now freed up 2.6 hours of recording space on your PVR" |
| [21:48:44] | iamlindoro_: | Those percent are non-linear |
| [21:48:56] | iamlindoro_: | The last 30% may/will be longer than any given other 30% |
| [21:48:59] | sphery: | Figuring $6/mo extra for a cable-co DVR rental, I think I'd pay off my current Myth system--oh wait, after the sun explodes the cable co won't be around anymore... nvm |
| [21:49:00] | justinh: | even just like for like.. i.e. comparing TV functionality. wah wahhhhhhhhhh |
| [21:49:15] | dustybin: | iamlindoro_: if i get my finger out, ill patch up all the remaining bugs tonight |
| [21:49:22] | iamlindoro_: | God help us |
| [21:49:25] | dustybin: | .22 will be ready tomorrow morning |
| [21:49:40] | ** justinh wonders if there's a #topfield or a #humax channel ** | |
| [21:49:59] | AndyCap: | justinh: probably not on this network.. harr harr |
| [21:50:04] | AndyCap: | or should that be Arr, arr |
| [21:50:16] | iamlindoro_: | .22 will be a copy of /dev/random tomorrow morning |
| [21:50:20] | justinh: | ah you have a point. maybe they're on undernet |
| [21:50:35] | sphery: | at least use /dev/urandom |
| [21:51:04] | dustybin: | what new features will .22 have? i cannot think of anything else mythtv can possibly do apart from HD stuff |
| [21:51:14] | sphery: | otherwise we may have to wait until noon tomorrow (depending on how much you move your mouse while it's generating) |
| [21:51:32] | justinh: | dustybin: same as now, only MOARBETR! |
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| [21:51:58] | sphery: | Will 0.22 have HD stuff? That may be hoping for too much. ??? |
| [21:52:04] | dustybin: | new gallery module for mythweb!! now that is cool |
| [21:52:17] | dustybin: | lyrics + mythmusic lol |
| [21:52:34] | justinh: | that'll be broken by now. heh |
| [21:52:53] | justinh: | at least two new widescreen themes :) |
| [21:53:42] | justinh: | and variable width buttons if I ever figure something out before the end of time |
| [21:53:48] | dustybin: | after this big new release .22, will feature releases after .22 be easier to do? |
| [21:54:07] | justinh: | not if the user base gets any thicker |
| [21:54:13] | dustybin: | ok |
| [21:54:16] | Gumby: | lol |
| [21:54:24] | sphery: | But really, what /new/ features will be in 0.22. After all, I've heard that 0.21-fixes has VDPAU, HD-PVR, LATM/AAC, ... |
| [21:54:43] | sphery: | and -fixes is stable, unlike trunk, so it's probably better |
| [21:54:43] | justinh: | ipod theme! |
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| [21:55:10] | justinh: | -fixes is just a trunk fitted with 2 wheels at the back to give it stability |
| [21:55:23] | [Peter]: | sphery: there's a s2api patch in the tracker, I use it for HD channels over DVB-S2 |
| [21:55:50] | dustybin: | when i select search films on mythweb, and get a list of films, if i select one to record, there is no way of getting back to the list, i have to manually hit the back button twice on my browser |
| [21:56:04] | justinh: | and? |
| [21:56:16] | dustybin: | when i record programs from the tv listing, there is a nice link what gets me back to the main list |
| [21:56:21] | justinh: | do what some people do & open a new tab :) |
| [21:56:28] | dustybin: | heh |
| [21:56:43] | justinh: | easier than 'fixing' php |
| [21:57:04] | dustybin: | apart from that mythweb is ace |
| [21:57:15] | dustybin: | (thats if those sticky blue menus dont stick) |
| [21:57:17] | justinh: | whaddya mean apart from that? |
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| [21:57:39] | dustybin: | sticky blue menus + go back to film list link |
| [21:58:45] | dustybin: | dont worry im not being negative! |
| [21:59:13] | dustybin: | im trying to think of what i dislike about the frontend |
| [21:59:14] | dustybin: | ermmm |
| [21:59:34] | justinh: | I'm gonna have to eat my pride with that code stuff soon I think |
| [21:59:44] | justinh: | eat/swallow |
| [22:00:09] | dustybin: | I think mythmusic could be laid out differently maybe, but im unsure what and how |
| [22:00:29] | justinh: | since when did you become project leader anyway? |
| [22:00:33] | jjn: | does anyone in here have any pointers, pages to point me to, that would talk about how to swap and share mythtv content between three master mythtv backends? |
| [22:00:39] | iamlindoro_: | "This should totally be different! How? Erm... Is that the phone ringing?" |
| [22:01:07] | dustybin: | I had another idea, how about a option what moves a TV show you have recorded into your mythvideo storage, so you can keep it forever |
| [22:01:12] | kormoc: | 3 master backends? |
| [22:01:14] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [22:01:16] | justinh: | jjn: sharing over a wide area network? whoops! |
| [22:01:23] | ** iamlindoro_ punches dustybin in the head ** | |
| [22:01:28] | dustybin: | :( |
| [22:01:37] | iamlindoro_: | Hey, how about I suggest something for which there's already a ticket |
| [22:01:38] | ** jjn smiles really big ** | |
| [22:01:41] | justinh: | mythtv isn't about distributing TV between households |
| [22:01:59] | jjn: | justinh – I realize that... that doesn't mean that it can' be / isn't being done... |
| [22:02:04] | jjn: | I just thought I'd ask the question... |
| [22:02:36] | justinh: | big files over broadband, regularly rsynced... hrm.. gonna take a while :P |
| [22:02:48] | iamlindoro_: | not to mention the nigh impossibility to merging DB data |
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| [22:02:52] | iamlindoro_: | s/to/of/ |
| [22:02:56] | jjn: | when I worked in academia land there was a project that piggy backed on the Internet Backplane Protocol project called IBPTV... |
| [22:03:04] | kormoc: | jjn, nuvexport has a mode to export out the sql for the recording. |
| [22:03:08] | dustybin: | also, I think mythstream needs to be re-coded from scratch with a better interface. If i knew how to code i would do that |
| [22:03:25] | justinh: | dustybin: meh. if I knew how to code... |
| [22:03:28] | ** dustybin digs out python ** | |
| [22:03:39] | ** iamlindoro_ cracks his neck ** | |
| [22:03:39] | laga: | scary |
| [22:03:39] | justinh: | if I knew how to DDOS you'd not be here :P |
| [22:03:42] | jjn: | yeah – distributed database w/ import is I guess what is at the heart of my request |
| [22:03:47] | dustybin: | :( |
| [22:04:15] | iamlindoro_: | jjn: Can't be done between master backend/is unethical anyway (thus you not being able to get help for that here) |
| [22:04:43] | iamlindoro_: | Which is a polite way of saying you probably ought to stop asking |
| [22:04:51] | justinh: | speaking of TV.. time for me to go & watch some |
| [22:05:42] | jjn: | iamlindoro: I have no idea how you can even go about assessing that what I am trying to do is unethical when you know none of the details. |
| [22:06:02] | jjn: | iamlindoro: sorry to offend |
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| [22:06:22] | iamlindoro_: | jjn: Sharing between master backends across a WAN is by definition a violation of the terms of service of ANY television provider and is not welcome talk here |
| [22:07:05] | kormoc: | jjn, it's channel/project policy that we only 'support' single house style setups. Beyond that it gets a tad grey so we avoid it |
| [22:07:33] | jjn: | kormoc: ahh – ok. |
| [22:07:39] | jackson__: | iamlindoro, what if the fella over the hill has reception that I cannot? How is that against terms of service? |
| [22:07:40] | Dagmar: | Ah crap. WHat's the thing that connects in between a stereo and a subwoofer to filter out sounds above 100Hz or so? |
| [22:07:47] | Dagmar: | I can't remember what it's called |
| [22:07:54] | Gumby: | a coil? |
| [22:07:57] | laga: | frequenzweiche |
| [22:07:59] | kormoc: | Dagmar, lowpass filer? |
| [22:08:00] | laga: | is the german term |
| [22:08:01] | kormoc: | *filter |
| [22:08:02] | laga: | hey, no problem. |
| [22:08:13] | jjn: | I can see my use of mythtv to replicate and play generic in-house produced video content is far outside standard 'TV' usage. |
| [22:08:25] | Dagmar: | Well, I know it's a lowpass filter, but there's a more common name than that that stereo salesmen use |
| [22:08:27] | iamlindoro_: | jackson__: That would be rebroadcast, and would still be against the law (just because it's OTA doesn't give you the right to share it) |
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| [22:08:45] | kormoc: | Certainly, and feel free to do it, we just don't support it per policy. What you do is on your head |
| [22:08:47] | sphery: | as long as we're talking about things that need to be done for MythTV 0.22, what about rewriting MythWeb in Python? |
| [22:08:58] | kormoc: | ooh right... right on that.... |
| [22:08:58] | iamlindoro_: | I heard that had been assigned to kormoc |
| [22:09:03] | iamlindoro_: | but he's totally lagging |
| [22:09:14] | Dagmar: | Yeah, because whips with glass fragments glued on for self-flaggelation are sooo hard to come by |
| [22:09:14] | iamlindoro_: | I'm fixing to replace him with dustybin |
| [22:09:15] | sphery: | he really shouldn't be part of the FOSS community, then |
| [22:09:21] | iamlindoro_: | and then I woke up |
| [22:09:48] | kormoc: | I only just setup my home computer Saturday, it's been weird without inet at home |
| [22:09:57] | kormoc: | it was seeminly so useless... |
| [22:10:09] | Dagmar: | AH! A "crossover" |
| [22:10:11] | Dagmar: | That's what it was |
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| [22:11:35] | sphery: | jjn: well, since we see a /lot/ more people asking about doing things that amount to theft-of-service and/or copyright infringement, the channel rules forbid discussion of such topics: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mailing_List_etiqu . . . _aware_of.3F |
| [22:12:14] | sphery: | i.e. even if you are distributing in-house-produced content to which you own /all/ copyrights, you'll have to find help elsewhere (not here or on the Myth lists) |
| [22:12:49] | ** jjn furrows brow ** | |
| [22:13:27] | jjn: | which is frustrating because I as a software developer just want to talk about functionality and design ideas... |
| [22:13:30] | ** jackson__ thinks some poeple here are wound way to tight. ** | |
| [22:14:08] | kormoc: | jackson__, feel free to leave then |
| [22:14:22] | ** jjn really looks sad ** | |
| [22:14:41] | jjn: | the attitude in here seems to cut completely against the grain of what FOSS / open collaboration was built upon... |
| [22:14:52] | iamlindoro_: | YES |
| [22:14:54] | jjn: | and believe me – I know, I've spent the last 25 years in academia developing |
| [22:14:57] | iamlindoro_: | I love it when people trot out that stuff |
| [22:14:58] | sphery: | oh, yeah, freedom, right... |
| [22:15:03] | ** kormoc sighs ** | |
| [22:15:13] | sphery: | With FOSS, you are free to steal content as you desire. |
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| [22:15:17] | ** kormoc gives up OSS development ** | |
| [22:15:28] | sphery: | python-guy will be happy |
| [22:15:33] | iamlindoro_: | open != assisting people in doing whatever they want |
| [22:15:34] | kormoc: | Yeah, for sure |
| [22:15:38] | iamlindoro_: | Long live the flash frontend! |
| [22:15:48] | iamlindoro_: | Flaming flamey flames for all! |
| [22:15:49] | jjn: | I'm not saying that the definition of open should be help folks to whatever they want... |
| [22:15:49] | sphery: | with flaming video backgroune! |
| [22:15:58] | jjn: | I don't even want to pick a fight... |
| [22:16:10] | kormoc: | jjn, you're free to change the code to do whatever you want, you're free to go elsewhere and talk as much as you want about anything, but where does FOSS say you have the right to do it here? |
| [22:17:30] | kormoc: | There's nothing in the FOSS movement that requires developers/communities to not limit what they're going to work with, it's all about not removing the rights of the users, and none of your rights have been removed |
| [22:17:47] | jjn: | what I was just typing... |
| [22:18:33] | iamlindoro_: | So I'm confused, then... where do we "cut against the grain of what OSS" is supposed to be? |
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| [22:21:15] | jjn: | Most OSS folks are willing to talk and engage with others about the what ifs of how the code-base could be used by people. I was just taken aback by the rigidity of "we will only talk about the use of it *this* way" |
| [22:21:28] | jjn: | I'm not saying it's a bad thing – I'm just saying I was surprised... |
| [22:21:35] | simoo: | wow myth's log files are 15GB! |
| [22:21:46] | jjn: | at the heart – I understand the need to be that rigid... |
| [22:21:48] | laga: | jjn: there are reasons for that. among them is a bad article in the new york times |
| [22:21:53] | simoo: | i wondered what was eating my hd |
| [22:22:01] | simoo: | is that normal? |
| [22:22:07] | jjn: | laga: right |
| [22:22:09] | gbee: | sick of talking, especially with people who aren't actively contributing |
| [22:22:11] | kormoc: | jjn, Most of the developers here are US citizens, and the last thing we want to do is get in legal trouble for encouraging copy right infringement or anything else that could be legally grey. |
| [22:22:21] | kormoc: | simoo, no |
| [22:22:41] | gbee: | could spend all day, every day talking to people who have opinions about what MythTV could be ... but then no code would ever get written |
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| [22:22:49] | kormoc: | jjn, Sure, it's a bit more hard-nosed then other projects, but they haven't really been written about in the NY Times in a negative light... |
| [22:23:13] | kormoc: | gbee, time to get off of -users eh? :P |
| [22:23:16] | laga: | kormoc: well, there was an association to bittorrent |
| [22:23:41] | kormoc: | which is a fair negative given the truth is very different |
| [22:23:43] | kormoc: | least, imho |
| [22:23:52] | jjn: | kormoc, I understand... which is why I'm not mad or wishing to start a flame war.. |
| [22:23:54] | simoo: | kormoc: yeah my mythbackend.log is 15GB, I take it it's ok to ust delete it? |
| [22:23:57] | iamlindoro_: | The scope in here isn't *that* limited-- pretty much "anything that is relevant to MythTV which, when viewed (and understood) by the average person, would not lead them to believe something dishonest is afoot." |
| [22:24:26] | kormoc: | simoo, or just echo "" > mythbackend.log (truncating it) would work as well |
| [22:24:44] | simoo: | kormoc: oh ic, thanks |
| [22:24:47] | gbee: | only reason I hang about in -users is because now and then I like to help people through their problems. I do find the endless debates on what mythtv should be to be tiresome though |
| [22:25:16] | jjn: | iamlindoro, agreed. I'll set aside my 'mutli-master' topic and work on such things in my own time. |
| [22:25:17] | simoo: | kormoc: I think it's because the box is about 3 years old! |
| [22:25:21] | kormoc: | gbee, I ment the mailing list. That's just noise imho... I just want to strangle half the posters |
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| [22:25:39] | sphery: | kormoc: better way to truncate (at least in bash): > mythbackend.log |
| [22:25:42] | sphery: | no echo required :) |
| [22:25:49] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [22:25:52] | gbee: | kormoc: heh, well I've not subscribed to the -users mailing list in at least 18months, if not much longer |
| [22:25:55] | kormoc: | Didn't know that shortcut, snaz |
| [22:26:09] | kormoc: | gbee, iamlindoro baited me into it a month ago... I need to get off of it |
| [22:27:07] | iamlindoro_: | Hey hey hey now, I'll accept no responsiblity for people reading -users :) |
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| [22:29:29] | sphery: | I was a productive member of society until iamlindoro_ tricked me into subscribing to the mythtv-users mailing list... |
| [22:29:36] | iamlindoro_: | now look at him |
| [22:29:54] | iamlindoro_: | No job, no bathing, lives at home with his.... oh wait. No, that's that other guy |
| [22:30:01] | sphery: | heh |
| [22:30:10] | ** jams jumps on the bandwagon and also blames iamlindoro_ for his subscription to -users. ** | |
| [22:30:25] | laga: | i unsubscribed years aGO |
| [22:30:32] | laga: | i only sometimes check gossamer |
| [22:31:35] | kormoc: | hehe |
| [22:31:37] | iamlindoro_: | How would you all learn about the forthcoming Myth appliance STB if I hadn't made you read -users, hmmmmmmmmmMMMM? |
| [22:31:45] | sphery: | It can be fun sometimes... I mean, where else would you get to talk about a LiveTV-inducing family war complete with remotely-fire Nerf missiles? |
| [22:31:48] | iamlindoro_: | Or about useful, stable, complete backports? |
| [22:32:04] | sphery: | s/inducing/induced/ |
| [22:32:14] | laga: | or about beww's rants.. |
| [22:32:14] | iamlindoro_: | Or read people put that Michael T. Dean guy in his place for not thinking properly? |
| [22:32:47] | sphery: | who says that "not a right-thinking individual" isn't thinking properly |
| [22:32:59] | gbee: | started glancing at the list through gossamer lately, it's just too depressing, too much mis-information, easy questions to which everyone gives the wrong answers, whining, general OT rubbish |
| [22:33:03] | simoo: | hi, do i need to install some kind of log rotation program to stop log files getting too big? |
| [22:33:32] | Dagmar: | simoo: Probably |
| [22:33:57] | sphery: | my level-of-required-correctness-before-responding has dropped dramatically in recent years |
| [22:34:07] | ** iamlindoro_ can't wait to get his $99 Any-HD capable MythTorrentTron ** | |
| [22:34:11] | jams: | simoo- logrotate is usally the program used for that sort of thing. It's probably already installed but needs to be told about the myth logfiles. |
| [22:34:25] | simoo: | cool, thanks guys |
| [22:34:28] | jams: | Just use whatever your distro is already using |
| [22:34:44] | sphery: | it would be easier to talk about the list if people weren't actually helping users in here... ;) |
| [22:34:51] | simoo: | it's gentoo so i may have neglected to install one |
| [22:35:08] | simoo: | sorry! |
| [22:35:25] | sphery: | that was a joke--I was actually saying I should get back on topic |
| [22:35:37] | jjn: | simoo: logrotate is what I would recommend. it's easy to configure and will enable you to rotate and compress in a few simple lines of config |
| [22:35:40] | simoo: | i know, just kiddin |
| [22:35:43] | mzb_xps_: | speaking of development, what are the (clever) differences between 0.21-fixes and trunk atm? |
| [22:35:46] | jams: | sphery- don't worry i was done helping simoo =) |
| [22:35:57] | simoo: | jjn: cheers |
| [22:36:27] | kormoc: | mzb_xps_, too many to list really |
| [22:36:29] | jams: | conf call time. |
| [22:36:34] | sphery: | simoo: also, make sure you don't crank up the log levels in Myth unnecessarily--check to make sure your daily usage you're either not providing a verbosity level (i.e. in the mythbackend/frontend start scripts) or are specifying -v important,general at most |
| [22:36:34] | gbee: | sphery: these days I just seem to make things worse whenever I reply to any mailing list or forum post, instead of having the desired effect my interjection seems to trigger a descent into bitter rants or name calling |
| [22:36:48] | iamlindoro_: | mzb_xps_: VDPAU, HD-PVR support, an ffmpeg resync, a dvdnav resync, MythUI port of most screens and plugins, A new theme, lots of miscellaneous improvements, etc. |
| [22:37:07] | iamlindoro_: | MythVideo trailer support ;) |
| [22:37:16] | mzb_xps_: | hmm ... not sure if it's worth it for me |
| [22:37:18] | kormoc: | mythweb speed improvements |
| [22:37:35] | sphery: | gbee: My posts have always been that way. Seems words that make sense in my mind don't make sense to other people (perhaps that's what they mean when they say I'm not a "right-thinking individual") |
| [22:37:38] | simoo: | sphery: thanks, where is that set? |
| [22:37:46] | iamlindoro_: | mzb_xps_: The UI stuff will be relevant to everyone |
| [22:37:50] | iamlindoro_: | and well worth it |
| [22:37:56] | sphery: | simoo: in whatever start script you're using/your distro uses :) |
| [22:38:09] | simoo: | sphery: oh right, yeah |
| [22:38:14] | Dagmar: | Whoa. Something just occurred to me. How the hell do you get speaker-test to do a simple _three-channel_ test? |
| [22:38:18] | sphery: | for backend, probably /etc/{,rc.d}/init.d/myth* |
| [22:38:28] | Dagmar: | There's no surround21 psuedo-object defined |
| [22:38:30] | iamlindoro_: | Oh, right, merge of Opengl branch, probably merge of the channel scanner branch, redo of MythMusic, etc. |
| [22:38:34] | sphery: | for frontend, may be anything from .xinit to .xsession to .fluxbox/startup or ... |
| [22:38:44] | mzb_xps_: | I wondering about testing it out, as I've got some maintenance coming up on mythboxen that "live away from home" ;) |
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| [22:39:03] | gbee: | sphery: or maybe you're just so accurate in your summary that you leave them no-where to go but backdown or launch into a full scale attack |
| [22:39:14] | simoo: | MYTH_VERBOSE="important,general" i guess that's ok? |
| [22:39:28] | sphery: | gbee: more likely my posts are so long that no one actually reads them :) |
| [22:39:31] | laga: | simoo: sounds like ubuntu? |
| [22:39:43] | sphery: | simoo: that's perfect |
| [22:39:45] | simoo: | laga: no, it's gentoo |
| [22:39:47] | laga: | ah |
| [22:39:48] | laga: | okay |
| [22:39:58] | mzb_xps_: | simoo: install/configure logrotate ? |
| [22:39:58] | simoo: | cool, why ubuntu? |
| [22:40:05] | sphery: | (it's exactly what you'd use if you didn't specify--therefore, the default log level, which was chosen because it's so appropriate :) |
| [22:40:28] | simoo: | mzb_xps: cheers im gunna |
| [22:40:33] | sphery: | simoo: their start script probably has the same environment variable |
| [22:40:38] | simoo: | ic |
| [22:40:51] | sphery: | In SCO's mind that would mean that Gentoo copied it from *buntu... |
| [22:41:01] | laga: | sphery: yeah, i think so. we set that stuff in /etc/default AFAIK |
| [22:41:30] | sphery: | I'll watch groklaw for the results of the trial... Good luck with it. ;) |
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| [22:44:38] | gbee: | <laga> simoo: sounds like ubuntu? <simoo> laga: no, it's gentoo |
| [22:44:40] | gbee: | well duh |
| [22:45:27] | gbee: | simuntu sounds like ubuntu, but simoo clearly doesn't |
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| [22:46:16] | simoo: | :) maybe i'll start using that nick |
| [22:46:27] | simoo: | simuntu |
| [22:46:53] | simoo: | although i don't actually use ubuntu at all at the moment |
| [22:50:31] | Dagmar: | gbee: You woulnd't happen to have any idea what -D object will make speaker-test do the fancy-shmancy test on 2.1 speakers would you? |
| [22:51:00] | gbee: | err, no, sorry |
| [22:51:08] | Dagmar: | Bummer. |
| [22:51:25] | Dagmar: | I'll just leave that bit with a note saying "Nothing's defined for this, move along now" then |
| [22:52:29] | simoo: | can I ask what distro people are using? I'm gunna be doing a new install soon, is there a recommended one? |
| [22:52:44] | jjn: | I use gentoo |
| [22:53:16] | gbee: | cue long list of distro recommendations |
| [22:53:50] | simoo: | i do to, seems cool, maybe i'll just stick with it... |
| [22:54:35] | sphery: | Dagmar: ALSA's pre-defined PCM devices (plus a big more) are in /usr/share/alsa/pcm/ |
| [22:54:38] | gbee: | simoo: it's pretty simple really, there are three custom distributions designed to make setting up the associated applications and configs for mythtv easier MythBuntu, MythDora, KnoppMyth (in no particular order) |
| [22:54:46] | simoo: | compile times just drag things out a bit... anyone use arch? |
| [22:54:57] | gbee: | but aside from that, just use whatever you are familiar and comfortable with |
| [22:55:15] | jjn: | gbee is right – distro's are just about as close to some people as religion. Everyone has their own and thinks other should be using it ;-) |
| [22:55:21] | simoo: | thanks, i do like a rolling release, I have found that useful |
| [22:55:41] | gbee: | all three of those distros have their upsides and downsides compared to just going with a standard distro and customising it yourself |
| [22:55:57] | jams: | For what it's worth arch works well. |
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| [22:56:23] | gbee: | as does Mandriva |
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| [22:56:35] | simoo: | jams: thanks |
| [22:56:58] | jams: | I think even SuSE works well since they straightend out thier QT package. |
| [22:56:59] | simoo: | i use arch for my desktop |
| [22:57:14] | gbee: | and I'm sure you'll find people speaking up for Debian (ick), Fedora (eww), Ubuntu (...) and a hundred others |
| [22:57:17] | sphery: | Dagmar: looks like a user wanting 2.1ch output would need to define his own logical device with ALSA conf files--there's no "standard"/built-in name |
| [22:57:55] | gbee: | sphery: 2.1 isn't the standard? |
| [22:58:06] | jams: | nice MacMall is selling engraved ipods |
| [22:58:07] | jjn: | simoo: really what you hear people clucking about is package management when you get down to it |
| [22:58:37] | gbee: | jams: pre-owned in other words? |
| [22:59:22] | sphery: | gbee: well, there's no "default" name for 2.1. It's possible some card maps "default" to a 2.1-ch output (or does so for appropriate input), but no name to force 2.1-ch output |
| [22:59:30] | jams: | well i assume it's engraved with whatever you want, but the ad doens't really mention that. |
| [22:59:42] | gbee: | that's a reference to how easily scratched ipod screens are for those that didn't get it |
| [23:00:26] | jjn: | jams: how is that different that Apple's offering to do it for free when you buy a new one online? |
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| [23:00:48] | jams: | jjn- could be the same thing for all i know |
| [23:01:04] | gbee: | sphery: hmm, wonder what this machine is doing then, I'd just assumed that it was true 2.1 but maybe not |
| [23:01:41] | ** gbee doesn't even really know what that means ** | |
| [23:01:42] | jjn: | jams: I thought for a minute there they were selling used engraved iPods. That would be special... purchase an iPod previously engraved with "For Chalres – the love of my life" |
| [23:01:45] | jjn: | heh |
| [23:01:58] | laga: | jjn: same here |
| [23:02:34] | sphery: | only built-in device names for forcing certain multi-channel output are surround40, surround41, surround50, surround51, surround71, center_lfe, dpl (FL/FR/C), dpl2 (FL/FR/SL/SR/C with mixing), front, rear, and side |
| [23:03:01] | sphery: | gbee: yours may be just taking 5.1-channel input and outputing only on 2.1 channels (because the other 3 channels aren't connected to speakers :) |
| [23:03:26] | sphery: | or may be taking normal stereo and using a cut-off frequency and passing all lower to the sub |
| [23:04:29] | sphery: | but with a 5.1-channel setup, looks like you'd have to either output only on the desired 2.1 channels or create a logical device to stop outputting to the SL/SR/C channels |
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| [23:05:42] | sphery: | or there may be card-specific definitions for a 2.1-ch output |
| [23:06:00] | sphery: | but I don't feel like reading through all of /usr/share/alsa/cards/* |
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| [23:07:31] | sphery: | wow... "$20 per month for the cable dvr" seems a bit excessive. Cable co's actually ask that much? People actually pay that? |
| [23:08:14] | gbee: | sphery: sounds about right |
| [23:08:50] | sphery: | for that much, why wouldn't you just get a /good/ commercial PVR (TiVo), which seems tob e $12.95/mo ( https://www3.tivo.com/store/plans.do ) |
| [23:09:39] | gbee: | charge £6–10 a month over here for the DVRs, that's the same for both the cable and satellite monopolys |
| [23:09:59] | gbee: | sphery: but can you hook those up directly to the cable? |
| [23:10:03] | sphery: | yeah, here I'd expect $6–10/mo |
| [23:10:26] | sphery: | I've heard new TiVo's can use cablecard (though I don't know if cable co's have to support cable card) |
| [23:11:39] | gbee: | what's worse IMHO, is that here the DVR and HD (h.264 decoding) are inextricably linked – you want HD you have to get the DVR and vice-versa |
| [23:11:44] | ** sphery just signed up for a chance to win a free TiVo HD DVR ** | |
| [23:12:33] | gbee: | I'd happily pay a one off admin charge for a new STB which gave me the HD without having to pay the monthly fee for the DVR rental too |
| [23:12:52] | sphery: | And, I think TiVo is mainly US, so I'm sure in some areas (with captive audiences), a more-expensive cable-co DVR would make more sense |
| [23:14:34] | sphery: | Yeah, with the $399 lifetime subscription, if you keep that TiVo box for 20mos, you'd have paid the $20/mo cost for renting the cable-co one... And, if you just did a subscription (at $12.95/mo, $129.00/yr, /or/ $299/3yr), you'd still be saving a lot of money over a $20/mo cable-co DVR. |
| [23:17:05] | sphery: | I think I have to ask why... |
| [23:17:31] | justinh: | hmmm. got grip working now :) |
| [23:18:51] | grokky: | Mmm. Lots of VDPAU fixes in Nvidia 180.29 – including green screen with overlay bug. |
| [23:19:11] | Dagmar: | Oooo |
| [23:19:13] | Dagmar: | nice! |
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| [23:22:02] | simoo: | Hi mythbackend can't connect to the mysql server, is there a setting in my.cnf i need to change? |
| [23:22:54] | jjn: | simoo: depends on the reason it can't connect. Do you have log data that details if it can't make the socket connection or if it's just a permissions error? |
| [23:23:13] | simoo: | Database error was: |
| [23:23:14] | simoo: | Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: NO) |
| [23:24:05] | jjn: | simoo: then you need to go into mysql and grant that user those permissions and then 'flush privileges' after you're done. |
| [23:24:29] | simoo: | thanks, although i'm not sure why anything has changed |
| [23:26:25] | jjn: | simoo: not sure what changed on your system. To track that down I'd look at if you'd been using a password for mythtv in the past and your config file doesn't have it now, or if the permissions had previously been granted to a particular hostname (and not localhost). |
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| [23:26:32] | sphery: | hostname/ip address have an affect |
| [23:26:46] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2 |
| [23:26:52] | simoo: | thanks |
| [23:27:42] | sphery: | and jjn's advice is also important... MySQL username/password used by Myth is in either of mysql.txt or config.xml (search the whole system because there are likely multiple) |
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| [23:29:47] | Dagmar: | NOTE: You do NOT need to manually search the whole system for those. |
| [23:30:07] | simoo: | find / -name mysql.txt |
| [23:30:16] | gbee: | locate mysql.txt |
| [23:30:18] | Dagmar: | Usually `find /usr /etc -name mysql.txt` or `find /usr /etc -name config.xml` will turn them up in short order |
| [23:30:27] | ** sphery didn't feel like typing out the list of locations that are generally searched and specify that those locations can be overridden in some situations ** | |
| [23:30:27] | simoo: | cheers |
| [23:30:45] | Dagmar: | simoo: Never use find on / unless you're fond of a lot of weird error messages |
| [23:30:50] | sphery: | make sure you check home dirs, too |
| [23:31:06] | sphery: | i.e. the one in ${HOME}/.mythtv will override all others on the system |
| [23:31:19] | Dagmar: | CRAZY stuff comes puking up when it goes through /proc and/or /sysfs |
| [23:31:30] | gbee: | find -x |
| [23:31:30] | simoo: | got it it's just mythtv mythtv |
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| [23:32:31] | gbee: | hmm, no I'm thinking of du -x |
| [23:32:36] | sphery: | find / -regex '/\(proc\|sysfs\)\(/\|$\)' -prune -o -name mysql.txt |
| [23:32:52] | Dagmar: | gbee: Yeah I was thinking -xdev would just ignore /usr if you're like me and always make it it's own fs |
| [23:33:07] | Dagmar: | sphery: Jeez man, what's wrong with just specifying the two or three places it might be? |
| [23:33:17] | sphery: | or, more simply, run as root (to avoid access errors) or find / -name mysql.txt -print 2>/dev/null |
| [23:33:18] | gbee: | sphery: or just use locate :) |
| [23:33:30] | Dagmar: | Keep your tiny little katana animations off my command line |
| [23:33:56] | sphery: | Actually, if using -prune, a -print (at the end) would be mandatory... |
| [23:34:14] | Dagmar: | Yes, so, simpler r betterer |
| [23:35:23] | Dagmar: | Oh yeah, and to completely throw "simple" out the window, I just finished a not very simple explanation of how the heck to use speaker-test http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Using_ALSA%27s_speaker-test_utility |
| [23:35:30] | simoo: | i don't get it, I have 'grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"%" identified by "mythtv"; |
| [23:35:44] | simoo: | and yet still Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: NO) |
| [23:35:45] | Dagmar: | If people can use the mouse wihtout getting slobber on it, they can probably stomach that over the man page |
| [23:35:58] | Dagmar: | simoo: Did you flush |
| [23:36:03] | simoo: | yeah |
| [23:36:14] | gbee: | simoo: "(using password: NO)" |
| [23:36:21] | Dagmar: | did you specify a password for it to use? Hint hint |
| [23:36:44] | simoo: | it should use a password shouldn't it? |
| [23:37:27] | gbee: | try adding the password 'mythtv' to the config :) |
| [23:38:04] | Dagmar: | simoo: well, if you like, want it to have access |
| [23:39:13] | sphery: | But, 2 or 3 locations: ${MYTHCONFDIR}/.mythtv/{config.xml,mysql.txt}, ${HOME}/.mythtv/{config.xml,mysql.txt}, /usr/{,local/}share/mythtv/mysql.txt . Then, I have to specify that ${MYTHCONFDIR} may be specified on a per-run basis or ${HOME} is generally specified on a per-user basis, but may be overridden on a per-run basis. So, then I'd have to help the user find the start scripts for all the relevant ways of starting it ... |
| [23:39:19] | sphery: | ... (which means I'd have to figure out which ways are relevant), then I'd have to help the user figure out that since HOME isn't specified in the start script, it's the user-specific value for HOME that counts, so I have to help find out how his brain-dead distro make ${HOME} for the mythtv user /var/mythtv . |
| [23:39:41] | gbee: | simoo: 'identified by "mythtv";' means, using the password mythtv |
| [23:39:49] | sphery: | Or, I could just say, "Search the whole system" and--if the user has a fast filesystem DB index installed/up-to-date--let him use locate or--if not--let him use find |
| [23:39:56] | Dagmar: | Wait, what? |
| [23:40:42] | gbee: | e.g. GRANT ALL ON blah TO foo@localhost IDENTIFIED BY 'bar'; would be username=foo, password=bar |
| [23:40:43] | sphery: | Just saying that a /lot/ of issues I've seen were caused by the user fixing the wrong mysql.txt or config.xml because they didn't realize that there were other copies on there. |
| [23:40:55] | Dagmar: | WHOA |
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| [23:43:03] | Dagmar: | Okay, now you've managed to confuse me |
| [23:43:09] | Dagmar: | What possible use is it to specify the password there? |
| [23:43:39] | Dagmar: | Oh wait, I thought of some. Nevermind |
| [23:44:13] | simoo: | I can log on to mysql with 'mysql -u mythtv mythconverg -p' using mythtv as the password... |
| [23:44:41] | gbee: | Dagmar: different passwords for the same user on different tables/database |
| [23:45:16] | Dagmar: | gbee: Actually, I was thinking a more useful thing would be one password that has read-only access, and another that allows writes when you're damn sure you know what you're doing |
| [23:45:33] | Dagmar: | I keep forgetting MySQl's access structure was designed by aliens. |
| [23:45:38] | Dagmar: | s/structure/controls/; |
| [23:45:43] | gbee: | simoo: want it to use the default mythtv user password? Then leave off the "identified by "mythtv"" |
| [23:45:43] | Dagmar: | s/was/were/; |
| [23:46:12] | Dagmar: | He'll need to dump that row from teh user table now |
| [23:46:17] | simoo: | gbee where is that set? |
| [23:47:04] | gbee: | Dagmar: there are all sorts of different, possibly useful combinations allowed by having multiple different passwords – though most, if not all would be the same as simply defining differrent users instead |
| [23:47:33] | Dagmar: | Yeah, most RBACs don't go quite that crazy with degrees of granulatiry |
| [23:47:39] | Dagmar: | er granulatiry |
| [23:47:58] | simoo: | I think im gunna have to come back to this tomorrow, thanks for the help guyd |
| [23:47:59] | Dagmar: | *sigh* g-r-a-n-u-l-a-r-i-t-y. (see I can spell big words) |
| [23:48:00] | simoo: | s |
| [23:53:24] | gbee: | simoo: just edit mysql.txt to use the password |
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| [23:55:14] | simoo: | ah I think changin the my.cnf to my actual ip address may have helped |
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