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| [00:03:26] | mzb_xps_: | J-e-f-f-A: neat |
| [00:03:48] | ** mzb_xps_ would like a nice amber LCD with variable backlight ;) ** | |
| [00:03:58] | mzb_xps_: | (for Christmas;))) |
| [00:05:03] | Gumby: | can anyone remind me how to check which version of trunk I am running? |
| [00:05:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: My favorite would be a graphical LCD, negative image, ie, black background, white dots... or VFD. I have a 20x2 OLED display, I wish they had them in 20x4... ;-) |
| [00:05:42] | mzb_xps_: | sounds expensive, I was trying to be realistic :) |
| [00:05:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | Gumby: Usually "mythfrontend --version" will display the version... |
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| [00:06:51] | Gumby: | thx J-e-f-f-A |
| [00:07:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: The 20x2 was $28 shipped from Hong Kong... not that bad for an OLED... ;-) |
| [00:07:21] | mzb_xps_: | sounds ok |
| [00:07:32] | mzb_xps_: | I could almost handle that price |
| [00:08:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | Gumby: NP. ;-) |
| [00:09:03] | mzb_xps_: | nice if I could find one (something neat) under au$50 in 3.5" |
| [00:09:11] | mzb_xps_: | nah ... 3.5 would be too small |
| [00:10:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: You mean to fit in a 3.5" drive bay? |
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| [00:10:43] | mzb_xps_: | yeah, then the other brain kicked in |
| [00:11:14] | mzb_xps_: | although: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/XION-Colored-LCD-Flip- . . . 86.m63.l1177 |
| [00:11:22] | mzb_xps_: | gives me hope for the future |
| [00:13:08] | Gumby: | is screen offsetting now working in trunk? |
| [00:13:11] | Gumby: | now/not |
| [00:15:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: Dude... This looks pretty good... For a 20x4 in a single 5.25" bay... http://cgi.ebay.com.au/HD44780-20x4-LCD-for-C . . . 260351433270 |
| [00:17:32] | mzb_xps_: | hmm |
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| [00:24:24] | mzb_xps_: | cheap: http://home.exetel.com.au/marknac/displays.htm |
| [00:26:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: yeah, displays like that can be had for $5–10 USD here... And that's only a 16x2... |
| [00:26:59] | mzb_xps_: | ooh ... white on blue 16x2 for US$9.99 |
| [00:28:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: That's more like it... and more pleasing to the eye for a frontend... ;-) |
| [00:28:17] | mzb_xps_: | OLED for us$19.21 http://www.sureelectronics.net/goods.php?id=131 |
| [00:29:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: Yeah, I've got the 20x2 version of that OLED display. Only used it in testing so far though... |
| [00:29:41] | mzb_xps_: | look any good? the white on blue looks nicer in the pics, but I'm wondering how readable from distance |
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| [00:30:02] | galvatr0n: | hi can someone help me get ir working on my hvr-1110 |
| [00:30:12] | galvatr0n: | ive run dmesg and its know the card has ir but it never loads the driver and sets it as an input ? |
| [00:30:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: It's incredible... Pure black when off, Green LED when on... I might have a pic I took when testing it... (don't have it hooked up atm...) |
| [00:30:40] | Staticwave_Ace: | hello all, I recently updated my mythwelcome/mythtv configuration to use ACPI wakeup, and now whenever the system starts up it goes straight into the frontend, instead of mythwelcome, anyone know what's up with that? |
| [00:30:54] | mzb_xps_: | is 16x2 big enough, or just enough to realise you need 4 line? |
| [00:31:46] | mzb_xps_: | jackpot! |
| [00:31:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: I like 20x4 – but 16x2 would be enough with a suitiably designed layout. I don't like the current layouts, so that's what I'm working on... ;-) |
| [00:32:13] | mzb_xps_: | 128x64 Dot Matrix LCD Blue Backlight White Character AU $37.34 |
| [00:32:25] | galvatr0n: | sudo modprobe cx88-dvb |
| [00:32:26] | galvatr0n: | FATAL: Error inserting cx88_dvb (/lib/modules/2.6.27-11-generic/kernel/drivers/media/video/cx88/cx88-dvb.ko): No such device |
| [00:32:39] | mzb_xps_: | 20x4 LCD Module White Characters Blue Backlight HD44780 AU $17.91 |
| [00:32:42] | mzb_xps_: | yay |
| [00:32:48] | wagnerrp: | galvatr0n: that is not a LIRC error |
| [00:33:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: link???? |
| [00:33:11] | mzb_xps_: | there's also a 24x2 white on red, but it looks a bit scary |
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| [00:33:40] | rushfan: | Everytime I try to scan for QAM channels MYthTV crashes saying: mythtv-setup: xcb_lock.c:77: _XGetXCBBuffer: Assertion `((int) ((xcb_req) – (dpy->request)) >= 0)' failed. |
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| [00:34:22] | bobbob1016: | I managed to get 5.1 working over spdif from VLC, from my desktop, not from myth, and not from mplayer, I'm using pulse. My myth settings are set to "ALSA:pulse" for audio, any ideas? |
| [00:36:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: Yeah, that's the guy I bought my 20x2 OLED from... Shipping from HK took like 2 weeks... But I really like the display. I've just got to get going on my LCD mods to make it really 'nice' for myth... ;-) |
| [00:36:25] | mzb_xps_: | J-e-f-f-A: does the 128x64 look usable? (with lcdproc) |
| [00:37:23] | mzb_xps_: | not sure if it will fit my case, though (have to cut out the panel in front of the drive mount (drive not installed) |
| [00:37:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: Well, I've got one of those here somewhere too, but misplaced it. One thing to note is that the LCD support in Myth is currently very limited, which is what I am trying to change... ;-) I'd love to have graphical support. |
| [00:38:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: (my 128x64 isn't backlit, but at least I could use it to test/design layouts, etc) |
| [00:38:03] | mzb_xps_: | me too ... with something that sexy I'd be prepared to submit something |
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| [00:38:16] | mzb_xps_: | are *any* 128x64's usable? |
| [00:38:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: If it works with lcdproc, then yes. But keep in mind that lcdproc is just a character driver, so even though it's a graphical display, you'll only get letters with it... |
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| [00:40:33] | mzb_xps_: | not an issue ... I've played with lcdproc before (in the last millenium;)) |
| [00:40:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | bobbob1016: My only thought is to remove pulseaudio and just use ALSA. I've never had consistent results with pulseaudio... (But then again, I don't use spdif currently, so YMMV... ;-) ) |
| [00:42:08] | bobbob1016: | J-e-f-f-A, I couldn't get it working with alsa, alsa only gave me stereo |
| [00:42:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: I've interfaced to HD44780 lcds with microcontrollers... so lcdproc is a little bit of a learning curve, can't do things as 'easily' as when you're controlling the LCD directly... ;-) |
| [00:42:24] | mzb_xps_: | hmm |
| [00:42:49] | mzb_xps_: | hoping not to go the microcontroller path if possible .... as much fun as they are ;) |
| [00:42:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | bobbob1016: With Alsa, IIRC you need to set the output to "Sterio" for 5.1 passthru to work on SPDIF — that's what I've heard anyways. (Sounds odd, but that's what seems to work) |
| [00:43:44] | mzb_xps_: | or do I *have* to have a uc with 128x64 LCD? |
| [00:44:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: Naw, it's got an 8-bit parallel interface, should work fine with a parallel port connection. |
| [00:44:37] | mzb_xps_: | yeah, thanks |
| [00:44:42] | mzb_xps_: | just found the controller |
| [00:44:43] | mzb_xps_: | http://lists.omnipotent.net/pipermail/lcdproc . . . /009743.html |
| [00:46:34] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if any of my modern machines have parallel ports... |
| [00:46:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: ps: with an HD44780 display connected to the parallel port, you'll only be able to turn the backlight on and off, not dim it. |
| [00:46:47] | wagnerrp: | i know only one out of three has an external serial port |
| [00:47:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Sure they do, my brand-new M3N78-VM has a parallel port, although it's only an internal header, but that works better IMHO. |
| [00:47:15] | mzb_xps_: | that's probably ok ... I can do some other tricks for variable I guess (LDR?) |
| [00:47:45] | rushfan: | Who here runs the latest SVN and finds it to be stable? |
| [00:47:57] | rushfan: | Because the fedora packages are broken fors ure |
| [00:48:01] | rushfan: | (Not svn – stable that is) |
| [00:48:28] | Dagmar: | huh? Which version? |
| [00:48:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | rushfan: I've got no issues with 0.21-fixes on FC8 – but I compile from source. |
| [00:49:05] | Dagmar: | 0.21-fixes should generally work. -trunk is not something one should consider "stable enough for regular use" |
| [00:52:29] | rushfan: | J-e-f-f-A: Ok. Im also running F10 |
| [00:52:42] | rushfan: | Im going to compile svn from source anyhow. Besides SVN can render vid directly onto my GPU right? |
| [00:52:51] | rushfan: | Cause decoding this 1080i is a pain on my CPU |
| [00:53:13] | Dagmar: | Maybe. |
| [00:53:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | rushfan: I'm running 0.21-fixes 19241 on my FC8 backend. — And I don't think VDPAU is backported to 0.21... |
| [00:53:33] | Dagmar: | It depends on if your video card happens to be one mentioned here: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x . . . endix-h.html |
| [00:53:51] | mzb_xps_: | J-e-f-f-A: which controller does your 128x64 use? |
| [00:54:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: SED1330 iirc... I bought it like 2 yrs ago from an electronics surplus company, never hooked it up... ;-) |
| [00:55:21] | rushfan: | oh boy. make is compiling mythtv with -O3 !! |
| [00:55:33] | rushfan: | I didnt set an optimization setting, why would it default to that? |
| [00:55:38] | mzb_xps_: | yep, looks like KS0107 might be a bit of a push ... although I think it's used in (one of?) the CrystalFontz device(s) |
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| [00:56:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: Actually, mine is 256x128 – http://www.allelectronics.com/make-a-store/it . . . NEL/-/1.html |
| [00:57:18] | mzb_xps_: | ok |
| [00:58:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: I'd go with LED backlight vs EL – EL will dim significantly over time. |
| [00:58:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: (Especially if you've got it on 24x7 like I do...) |
| [00:59:02] | mzb_xps_: | looks like the 20x4 white on blue is the way to go ... time to find a measuring stick |
| [00:59:09] | mzb_xps_: | brb |
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| [01:04:08] | mzb_xps_: | hmm ... ad says 98x55mm, but turns out that 55mm is hole-to-hole vertical :( ... real height is 60mm |
| [01:04:10] | mzb_xps_: | brb |
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| [01:08:06] | mzb_xps_: | I reckon it'll be tight |
| [01:10:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: This would be purdy... With a decent driver for Myth... http://graphic-lcd-lcds.shopeio.com/inventory . . . raphic%20Lcd |
| [01:13:04] | ** mzb_xps_ dribbles ** | |
| [01:13:39] | mzb_xps_: | too tall ;P |
| [01:15:03] | mzb_xps_: | hmm ... there is cheaper, but the us$15 20x4 seems to have about 3–5mm at the top that can be shaved |
| [01:15:24] | mzb_xps_: | the cheaper ones have tracks (either/both sides) right to the edge, so can't be reduced |
| [01:17:08] | mzb_xps_: | hmm ... 16x2 might be the way to go .... |
| [01:17:17] | ** mzb_xps_ hunts for pics of 4line vs 2line ** | |
| [01:19:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | I don't think you'll find any 16x4, but you will find 20x4's... |
| [01:20:04] | quaa_: | anyone know what "I added a shlibs file with information about libvdpau in the nvidia package.." means |
| [01:20:14] | quaa_: | url – http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies- . . . 1127495.html |
| [01:22:38] | mzb_xps_: | 24x2 but it's black on green |
| [01:23:56] | unimaginative: | grr, there MUST be some discrete ir codes for my new Samsung LCD TV. |
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| [01:24:11] | mzb_xps_: | 20x2 OLED us$28 ... nah |
| [01:25:31] | mzb_xps_: | 16x2 white on blue cheap as = au$11 + $3, but I suspect 2 lines will piss me off |
| [01:26:43] | hobophobe: | quaa_, it means that, based on their previous post, the build was not locating the libvdpau, but they rebuild nvidia with a shlibs directive of some sort so later the myth build will know where to find it |
| [01:27:48] | rushfan: | Can anoyne tell why mythtv ownt compile from this pastebin? http://fpaste.org/paste/3108 |
| [01:28:57] | Dagmar: | User error. |
| [01:29:57] | Dagmar: | i.e., something's wrong with your Qt package, or you have been failing to properly clean the source. |
| [01:30:09] | Dagmar: | OR you've pulled a version of Myth that requires Qt4 or somethign |
| [01:30:18] | rushfan: | Oh I just cloned the source so that isnt it. Put I know something is wrong w/ my qt4 package |
| [01:30:21] | rushfan: | Dagmar: even if I did I ahve qt5 |
| [01:30:24] | rushfan: | qt4* |
| [01:30:29] | rushfan: | lol qt5 would be impressive |
| [01:30:57] | Dagmar: | Dude, your Qt4 package isn't what's being called on there. |
| [01:31:09] | Dagmar: | You should be able to see "qt-3.3" clearly showing up ion there. |
| [01:31:13] | rushfan: | Dagmar: I do. |
| [01:31:19] | rushfan: | So I assumed that meant it wanted qt-3.3 |
| [01:31:25] | rushfan: | not that it was accidently calling it |
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| [01:42:20] | rushfan: | Dagmar: you win |
| [01:42:21] | mzb_xps_: | ooh ... amber 8x2 (got a couple of other projects too;) |
| [01:42:23] | rushfan: | user error. problem identified |
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| [01:45:59] | sphery: | ghost of ben34: see the 4 or 5 threads from last week that discussed how to get your multirec configuration to work with LiveTV the way you want it to |
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| [01:47:13] | Wicked: | hello all. im using a pvr-150 on ubuntu 8.10. i have a sci atl cable box from comcast. im using svideo in on the pvr-150. now sometimes when it records the sound will be messed up. it will be kinda distorted and have a tinny sound to it. it also does it sometimes when watching live tv. but i notice if i change the channel the audio is fine. i can then change the channel back and the sound is also fine. any ideas what could be doing this? |
| [01:47:57] | Wicked: | ive had it do this on a few shows i really wanted to watch...but was able to re-record the show or watch it on a friends recording. |
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| [01:51:07] | sphery: | Wicked: I remember seeing (and not reading) a ton of stuff about PVR-150 and tinny audio... Google or Gossamer (either MythTV or IvyTV archives) are your friends. |
| [01:52:11] | Wicked: | ok. ill keep on trying that. i figured someone in here might have had it happen and know a fix. |
| [01:53:51] | mzb_xps_: | hmm ... heaps of 16x2 negatives in Poland (of all places ;)) |
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| [01:56:38] | EnderTheThird: | Anyone in here have any experience with AT&T U-verse? |
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| [01:56:43] | uwnd: | hi |
| [01:56:47] | uwnd: | wy tuner has a s-videa input, what device is that in linux? |
| [01:56:50] | uwnd: | do I need to disconnect the coaxial? |
| [01:58:05] | uwnd: | I have two video devices, I don't know where the second belongs to |
| [01:58:47] | uwnd: | how to chekc? |
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| [02:01:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | uwnd: What is your tuner card? That would help... |
| [02:02:34] | uwnd: | pinnacle i800 |
| [02:03:20] | uwnd: | 01:08.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder (rev 05 |
| [02:03:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | uwnd: Well, it's probably be /dev/video0 for the analog side of that card... but you also have to set the tuner's input to the S-video input. |
| [02:04:02] | uwnd: | how? |
| [02:05:29] | uwnd: | how come 'probably' |
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| [02:07:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | uwnd: because I don't have that tuner... Analog tuners are usually /dev/video# , digital are usually /dev/dvb/adapter# ... But since I'm not that familiar with your particular tuner, I can't say for sure. |
| [02:07:32] | uwnd: | nope, /dev/video0 is the coaxial |
| [02:08:06] | iamlindoro: | no, video0 is all analog inputs, not just the coaxial. J-e-f-f-A is correct. EAch input doesn't get a seperate device. |
| [02:08:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | uwnd: NO, /dev/video0 is the Analog tuner. It has at least 3 inputs, Coax (Tuner), Composite Video, and S-Video. You need to switch it to the s-video input. |
| [02:08:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | uwnd: I'm not sure how to do that from the commmand line – #inuxtv would be a better place to ask, or perhaps google.com would help. |
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| [02:10:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: Hey, lots of Character LCD pics here... http://character-lcd-lcds.shopeio.com/invento . . . racter%20Lcd |
| [02:11:06] | mzb_xps_: | nice |
| [02:11:07] | iamlindoro: | uwnd, Stop repeating the same question in #linuxtv, too-- You are not going to hear a different thing there, analog tuners get *one* device node in linux, no matter how many physical inputs they have |
| [02:11:19] | mzb_xps_: | J-e-f-f-A: currently looking at http://stores.ebay.com/Ego-China-Electronics |
| [02:11:38] | iamlindoro: | uwnd, So /dev/video0 IS both the analog coax capture and the S-video, and if you want to use a different input, you will switch it with v4l tools, follow up there |
| [02:11:38] | mzb_xps_: | think I need 2x 16x2 and 1x 20x4 |
| [02:11:47] | mzb_xps_: | might do white on black for the 16x2's |
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| [02:13:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: Wow, if the contrast in real life is anywhere near as close to that pic, it's a beautiful display. |
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| [02:13:39] | mzb_xps_: | the 20x4? |
| [02:13:44] | mzb_xps_: | or the TFT ;) |
| [02:14:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | the 16x2 white-on-black... does he have a 20x4 like that too? |
| [02:14:33] | mzb_xps_: | bright 20x4 white on blue |
| [02:15:03] | mzb_xps_: | from the data sheet + photos, I reckon I can shave 3.7mm off the bottom of the module (20x4) ... which should be enough |
| [02:15:24] | mzb_xps_: | may even be able to get ~1mm off the top |
| [02:15:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: yeah, that's what most of them look like... I'd prefer a white-on-black with this contrast level: http://character-lcd-lcds.shopeio.com/invento . . . .asp?id=1287 |
| [02:16:14] | mzb_xps_: | make that 0.7mm off the top |
| [02:16:25] | mzb_xps_: | woah! |
| [02:16:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: Because this is what a typical white-on-blue looks like: http://character-lcd-lcds.shopeio.com/invento . . . e.asp?id=939 |
| [02:16:38] | mzb_xps_: | not sure if I want red ;) |
| [02:17:02] | uwnd: | J-e-f-f-A: thanks a lot, I'll disconnect the coaxial to try s-video :) |
| [02:17:03] | mzb_xps_: | ok, so you want black background for max contrast |
| [02:17:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | uwnd: Disconnecting it isn't going to do anything-- you have to tell the tuner to switch it's input to the s-video input via a v4lctl command or similar... |
| [02:18:08] | mzb_xps_: | I'm looking at: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/LCD-MODULE-LCM-JHD204A . . . 480QQihZ009Q |
| [02:18:39] | mzb_xps_: | and the white on black of: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/LCD-MODULE-LCM-JHD162A . . . 28QQihZ009QQ |
| [02:19:49] | uwnd: | J-e-f-f-A: damn@@ |
| [02:20:31] | uwnd: | mzb_xps_: why bother with that crap? get a psp, 480x272 resolution. |
| [02:20:51] | iamlindoro: | because he doesn't want to mount a PSP in his case? |
| [02:20:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: Yeah, I just wish I could find a 20x4 with that white-on-black format... Oh, I see the difference... DUH... just "STN" vs "Double STN"... |
| [02:21:05] | uwnd: | but only the screen |
| [02:21:13] | uwnd: | take apart the rest |
| [02:21:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | uwnd: Driven with ???? |
| [02:21:21] | iamlindoro: | a PSP screen would be useless in a case |
| [02:21:25] | uwnd: | and it'll look better |
| [02:21:42] | uwnd: | J-e-f-f-A: there are tons of ways of hooking it up. |
| [02:22:17] | ** iamlindoro sighs ** | |
| [02:22:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | uwnd: Ok, and it works with lcdproc and MythTV? |
| [02:22:25] | uwnd: | J-e-f-f-A: it draws, 5volts, so a usb would be enough |
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| [02:23:27] | uwnd: | J-e-f-f-A: I am not sure but I will do this and show it to yuo |
| [02:23:30] | mzb_xps_: | uwnd: because I wan't an indicator, not a "display" as such ... and as I have a number of boxes/applications for this, the cost needs to be kept down. Feel welcome to send me a psp for free, however ;) |
| [02:24:02] | mzb_xps_: | J-e-f-f-A: the only "on black" I've found in 20x4 is yellow |
| [02:24:08] | uwnd: | I never understood the awfully looking lcd's quartz nowadays |
| [02:24:34] | uwnd: | mzb_xps_: how mucch is the one you are looking for? |
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| [02:25:01] | mzb_xps_: | ~us$10 for the 20x4 |
| [02:25:15] | uwnd: | J-e-f-f-A: were is that application v4lctl? |
| [02:26:12] | mzb_xps_: | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem . . . 280310106487 |
| [02:26:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | uwnd: Looks like it's |
| [02:26:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | uwnd: /usr/bin/v4l2-ctl now... "2" in the middle |
| [02:27:19] | mzb_xps_: | but unfortunately the same seller doesn't have white on black 16x2's :( |
| [02:27:20] | mzb_xps_: | sigh |
| [02:27:34] | uwnd: | ok |
| [02:27:42] | mzb_xps_: | going to have to plug in all the numbers, send emails ... and then see what comes out the other end |
| [02:28:14] | uwnd: | I don't have it |
| [02:29:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: That's not half bad though... looks like it might only be STN though, as the background isn't totally black like the 16x2 display shows... |
| [02:29:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: (That is also assuming the pictures of the 16x2 DSTN displays are accurately photographed...) |
| [02:30:42] | mzb_xps_: | I assume the only difference is brightness/contrast (as opposed to other factors like size + lifetime) ?? |
| [02:31:20] | mzb_xps_: | if the STN is more dim, wouldn't the white on blue DSTN be easier to read across a room? |
| [02:34:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: STN has a lower contrast ratio. DSTN should be easier to read from further away. |
| [02:34:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: Also, you probably can't expect to read a character display from mor than about 10' away unless you have eagle eyesight... ;-) |
| [02:35:35] | iamlindoro: | sphery, HEAR HEAR (re: -dev) |
| [02:35:50] | sphery: | probably shouldn't have sent it... |
| [02:36:08] | mzb_xps_: | *cough*, let's not get into my ability to read CRT's from distance ... got into a lot of trouble for that ability ;)) |
| [02:36:37] | mzb_xps_: | quote from seller: I think JHD162A FN/JG with black background appears brighter, JHD162A Y/YG has better readable. |
| [02:37:06] | iamlindoro: | sphery, no, It's very called for (and I'm responding to your response right now) |
| [02:37:15] | sphery: | can't wait |
| [02:37:36] | sphery: | The anticipation of a reply... It's like nothing else in this world. |
| [02:38:26] | sphery: | iamlindoro: between that and the book I just sent to -users (in reply to an e-mail sent to me off list :), I spent way too much of my coding time writing out e-mails todya. |
| [02:38:33] | mzb_xps_: | actually, with the 16x2's I'm not that worried about distance (I now realise) .... not mythboxen |
| [02:38:35] | sphery: | guess coding will wait 'til tomorrow/next week |
| [02:38:47] | mzb_xps_: | the 20x4 is planned for the mythbox |
| [02:39:11] | mzb_xps_: | looks like I might have to lower my expectations and get a 16x2 for the mythbox too :| |
| [02:40:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: hey, had a nice chat with paul today... My new patch is good, he'll commit it tomorrow. ;-) And likes my thoughts for improving the LCD support. ;-) Cool! |
| [02:40:16] | sphery: | iamlindoro: btw, did you see my ticket yesterday? patch was committed in 3 1/2 hrs... new record. |
| [02:41:05] | sphery: | I seem to pick way too many things to work on that no one else is interested in... :( |
| [02:41:06] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A, Nice, good job! |
| [02:41:17] | iamlindoro: | sphery, didn't see, I have been buried this weekend so far |
| [02:41:42] | iamlindoro: | only now coming up for air after a long bike ride/swim w/ my triathlon team this AM (and a nap to recover) |
| [02:41:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Yeah very cool. ;-) |
| [02:44:50] | Batshua: | I know there's been a bit of turnover since I last posted this. http://nopaste.com/p/azeUQotYV |
| [02:45:19] | Batshua: | This is the SA 4240, a box I have not successfully used with my PVR, but the other one, the SA 3250, had even LESS encouraging results. |
| [02:45:22] | Batshua: | Can anyone tell me what this report means? |
| [02:45:28] | mzb_xps_: | hmm ... solves that problem, mrs want's red on black |
| [02:45:43] | iamlindoro: | mzb_d800, God help her, she knows not what she asks for |
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| [02:45:52] | iamlindoro: | It's "Virtual Boy" all over again |
| [02:45:53] | mzb_xps_: | heh |
| [02:45:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: Ha! ;-O |
| [02:46:18] | mzb_xps_: | dm, it's really only for "2 emails, CPU too hot" -styled messages |
| [02:46:25] | mzb_xps_: | J-e-f-f-A: are 2 line displays sufficient for mythtv? |
| [02:46:52] | mzb_xps_: | she want's red on black for _her_ machine ... not the mythbox! ;) |
| [02:47:38] | mzb_xps_: | I'm thinking green on black for my pbx ("2 calls in progress, CPU % temp, etc") |
| [02:47:55] | mzb_xps_: | and white on black for the mythbox ... if I can be happy with 2 lines for myth |
| [02:48:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: Ah, ok. ;-) For Myth, they'll work ok, will work better once I've got my mods done... |
| [02:48:21] | mzb_xps_: | hmm ... any pics of myth lcd? |
| [02:49:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: This is what the default 20x4 'recording detail' screen looks like: http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/CF634.jpg |
| [02:50:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: And here's a preview of ideas I've been tossing around: http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/lcd |
| [02:51:42] | mzb_xps_: | yep ... 20x4 seems like the way ... but I'm interested in 16x2 if it's not going to be an exercise in frustration (ie: always wanting more "LCD real estate" on a 16x2 _vs_ poor contrast on STN 20x4) |
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| [02:52:36] | unimaginative: | Is there a way to directly connect my blaster cable to the ir part of my hifi reciever? |
| [02:52:57] | Dagmar: | Probably not unless you count electrical tape |
| [02:53:08] | unimaginative: | I'd like the connection to be as fast and reliable as possible., hopefully better than just mounting the emitter right in front of the reciever. |
| [02:53:14] | Dagmar: | Duct tape tends to clash with the black of most stereos |
| [02:53:29] | Dagmar: | You're the one with the equipment. Look at it's manuals. |
| [02:53:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | unimaginative: What do you want to control on your hifi system from myth? |
| [02:54:18] | unimaginative: | J-e-f-f-A, volume and source selection. |
| [02:54:25] | unimaginative: | mainly volume. |
| [02:54:48] | unimaginative: | Dagmar, what I'm wanting to do would not be covered in a manual. |
| [02:55:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | unimaginative: I think you'd be better off programming the remote with the vol up/down and mute controls, and perhaps just use Myth for the source selection. |
| [02:56:12] | Dagmar: | unimaginative: Well, all we can tell you is "grab a soldering pencil and go crazy" |
| [02:56:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | unimaginative: You'll have delay, and/or interference, from the IR control being sent to the myth box, then back via IR to the receiver... |
| [02:56:47] | Dagmar: | If you can't even be bothered to look on the unit for ports that might already exist for such purposes, and I can guarantee you if they were there they'd be in the manuals, then why the heck should we bend over backwards about it |
| [02:57:02] | Dagmar: | Electrical tape is win. |
| [02:57:04] | mzb_xps_: | J-e-f-f-A: what else can I expect from this? :=> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/LCD_-_CrystalFontz_632_USB_Port |
| [02:57:37] | mzb_xps_: | as I say ... is bright/crisp 16x2 just going to make me wish I had a dim 20x4? |
| [02:57:41] | unimaginative: | Dagmar, sorry for offending you. |
| [02:59:54] | Dagmar: | I'm not offended--just trying to prod you into thinking. |
| [03:00:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: That's basically 2 screens – 1) The time (and "Recording" indication), and 2) 4 pages for the program recording, title, subtitle, and time. — also note that the pages change much slower than that. |
| [03:00:18] | Dagmar: | Not bothering to look at the documentation you have at hand is a shortcut to fail, unfortunately. |
| [03:00:35] | Dagmar: | Sony does everything but tell you the protocol for their little interconnect mechanism |
| [03:00:48] | Dagmar: | (which we've got no tools that can use it that I'm aware of by the way) |
| [03:01:07] | mzb_xps_: | J-e-f-f-A: hmm ... so my 5x tuner (etc) system is going to be painful to observe? ;) |
| [03:01:09] | Dagmar: | SOME units do have a socket for an additional IR listening element. |
| [03:01:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: I could always create some patches for you until I get my stuff 'mainstreamed'... |
| [03:01:35] | mzb_xps_: | I'm just trying to justify a 4line display |
| [03:01:40] | Dagmar: | This task you're trying to accomplish is sometyhing you should be able to feel out as possible or not possible within 20 minutes or less. |
| [03:01:49] | Dagmar: | It would be mean for me to leave you wondering about it for hours. |
| [03:02:03] | mzb_xps_: | my question: do I really need/want 4 lines? |
| [03:02:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: Yes...The code currently cycles through Time, Recording details for 1 program, back to time, 2nd recording, etc... |
| [03:03:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: Well, think about it... 16x2 = 32 characters total. 20x4 = 80 characters total for detail... |
| [03:03:29] | mzb_xps_: | ok ... so why 4 lines? What's the difference in the config? |
| [03:03:38] | mzb_xps_: | hmm |
| [03:04:01] | mzb_xps_: | looks like I'd better get 190284118480 too, then |
| [03:04:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: There's even a 24x8 display floating around out there, that I'd love to pick one up. ;-) |
| [03:04:18] | mzb_xps_: | problem is, once it's in the box I won't be able to change |
| [03:04:24] | mzb_xps_: | the box is only 60mm high |
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| [03:05:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: Well, order the 16x2's for your other boxes, and hold off on the 20x4 for now. Hook one of the 16x2's up to myth to try out. If you like it, order one for Myth If not, order the 20x4... ;-) |
| [03:05:48] | mzb_xps_: | hmm |
| [03:05:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: 60mm? Wow, what case is that? |
| [03:06:00] | mzb_xps_: | Morex mini-itx |
| [03:06:08] | mzb_xps_: | (iirc) |
| [03:07:15] | mzb_xps_: | using an m10k |
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| [03:07:33] | mzb_xps_: | I'm almost certain I can shave enough off that 20x4 to make it fit |
| [03:08:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: Is this it? http://www.logicsupply.com/products/3677b |
| [03:09:04] | mzb_xps_: | lol ... now I'm thinking 3x 16x2 and 1x 20x4 .... I'd better buy before I find more ways to spend ;) |
| [03:09:22] | mzb_xps_: | no ... thinner than that ... hang on |
| [03:09:35] | iamlindoro: | Anduin, Think the metadata stuff might rise to the top of the pile this weekend? (I'm limiting myself to bugging you once weekly ;) ) |
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| [03:11:24] | Anduin: | iamlindoro: It is at the top, just need mythtv time to do it, maybe tomorrow more likely after Wednesday |
| [03:11:37] | iamlindoro: | cool, thanks for keeping it in your head |
| [03:11:51] | mzb_xps_: | J-e-f-f-A: http://www.morex.com.tw/products/productdetail.php?fd_id=32 |
| [03:12:00] | mzb_xps_: | I think it's that one, but in black |
| [03:12:22] | mzb_xps_: | (small and boring ... but works and looks ok ... was also one of the cheapest options;) |
| [03:12:37] | mzb_xps_: | I've also got 2 other similar cases ... not sure of the brand |
| [03:13:43] | mzb_xps_: | in the process of buying 6–8 ceramic fans for the buggers (sold one of the boxes with an M10K ... now it needs new fans) |
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| [03:14:44] | mzb_xps_: | (ie: small case with M10K, DVD burner, 250GB hdd, and USB DVB-T tuner ... he's happy with it ... he's got it working _WELL_ only using rabbit ears!) |
| [03:15:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: Nice, small STB. ;-) |
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| [03:18:57] | mzb_xps_: | yep ... smaller than amp, not quite as small as the Humax DVB-T STB ... but forms a nice little pyramid ;) |
| [03:19:12] | mzb_xps_: | (Humax is "spare" for LiveTV) |
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| [03:20:15] | mzb_xps_: | it's got to the stage though, that the only time I watch liveTV is when there are no _recent_ recordings of interest, but I might find something 2 hours ago on ABC ... in which case I watch LiveTV DVB-S from Western Australia ;) |
| [03:20:31] | mzb_xps_: | works well ;) |
| [03:20:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: My two HD frontends are built in these cases: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811154087 ... not the smallest in the world, but smaller than a standard PC. (And pleasing to look at too) |
| [03:21:17] | mzb_xps_: | white strip a bit distracting? |
| [03:21:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: It's actually silver. It's not bad. ;-) |
| [03:22:14] | mzb_xps_: | hmm ... |
| [03:22:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: I've got them horizontal, they look nicer that way. ;-) |
| [03:23:22] | mzb_xps_: | haven't got as far as HD yet ... well at the frontend. Backend and drives should be sufficient. When a nice 42" LCD drops into my lap (under au$1000;) I might get around to building an HD FE |
| [03:23:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: That front panel is smoked — probably only about 20% translucent. I tested an LCD behind it, and it doesn't let enough light through... DOH! ;-) You can see the power, HDD and DVD leds through it, dimly... |
| [03:24:03] | mzb_xps_: | hmm |
| [03:25:18] | mzb_xps_: | stuff it, the 20x4 is only an extra $1.50 :)) |
| [03:27:29] | mzb_xps_: | us$40 for 3x 16x2 and 1x 20x4 (free post) .... don't think I can do much better |
| [03:27:49] | NightMonkey: | J-e-f-f-A: Did you replace the fan? Newegg reviews say it is a bit noisy. |
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| [03:28:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: Reminds me of when I ordered some code-hopping RF remote controls & receiver (to build my own car alarm) from AU ... $54 shipped to the US... couldn't touch it for less than $100 right here in the US... ;-) |
| [03:28:54] | mzb_xps_: | Jaycar? ;) |
| [03:30:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | NightMonkey: Yeah, I initially put a thermal fan on it, but don't even have that hooked up anymore. It's fine with just the CPU fan and natural airflow (laying down, with the vent on top) |
| [03:30:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: Umm... Humm, it's been a few years – I think it may have been them... |
| [03:31:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: oatley I think. ;-) |
| [03:31:23] | mzb_xps_: | yep |
| [03:31:36] | mzb_xps_: | funny stuff there |
| [03:31:56] | mzb_xps_: | russian night scopes, all sorts of weird junk |
| [03:33:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: Humm.. are they out of business? url doesn't work anymore: http://www.oatleyelectronics.com |
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| [03:34:23] | mzb_xps_: | I thought I had a look at them the other day |
| [03:34:51] | mzb_xps_: | hmm ... maybe not |
| [03:38:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: Hehe... found a post from 2005 – about the same ones I bought... so it must have been about 2003 or 2004 that I bought them... DOH!!!! http://www.electronicspoint.com/re-oatley-ele . . . t133720.html |
| [03:39:27] | mzb_xps_: | I used to work for Jaycar ;) |
| [03:39:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: I worked for Future Electronics 19 years ago... ;-) |
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| [03:41:10] | mzb_xps_: | s/19 years ago/in the past/ .... oxymoron? ;) |
| [03:41:36] | mzb_xps_: | ok, that's 4x LCD's ordered ... quick email then a break |
| [03:42:06] | iamlindoro: | There is NOTHING worth watching tonight, blah |
| [03:46:08] | mzb_xps_: | hehe ... isn't that the whole point of having a mythtv setup? ;) |
| [03:47:05] | iamlindoro: | I'm caught up on incidental watching and not interested in starting the couple of things I have half a season of right now |
| [03:47:26] | iamlindoro: | I'm sort of saving a few shows for the summer break when there's *really* nothing |
| [03:49:12] | iamlindoro: | At least we have dollhouse coming Friday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!` |
| [03:49:43] | iamlindoro: | Now US users can schedule *two* episodes on yon mythboxen |
| [03:51:49] | mzb_xps_: | :) |
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| [03:56:45] | mzb_xps_: | ok .. now ceramic fan email |
| [03:56:50] | wagnerrp: | sadly... us tuning in has NO impact on whether or not the show stays on the air |
| [03:56:59] | mzb_xps_: | better take some covers off |
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| [04:02:53] | mzb_xps_: | stuff it ... I'll just ask him for 2x20mm and 4x10mm |
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| [04:22:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: 10mm fans? 1CM? Wow, those are tiny! ;-) |
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| [04:40:18] | mzb_xps_: | J-e-f-f-A: no, 40x40x10mm and 40x40x20mm |
| [04:40:26] | mzb_xps_: | just finished the email |
| [04:40:46] | mzb_xps_: | in the process of ordering some Ceramica fans for various boxes |
| [04:41:43] | mzb_xps_: | planning on undervolting the 20mm ones in my own FE |
| [04:42:19] | mzb_xps_: | if my rough calculations are even in the ballpark, I should get about 8.5CFM per fan at 23dB (cross fingers) |
| [04:43:19] | mzb_xps_: | if I undervolt the 10mm fans though, I suspect I'll only get about 5CFM, and I'm not sure if that's enough. |
| [04:43:23] | mzb_xps_: | time will tell |
| [04:43:57] | mzb_xps_: | hopefully, however it comes out, the fans will be cool, quiet and last 5x longer than a normal fan (ceramic sleeve-bearing) |
| [04:44:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: Cool. I've got BB fans in all of my boxes... |
| [04:44:47] | mzb_xps_: | lot's of nice stats on their page: http://www.ceramicafans.com/whyceramic.htm |
| [04:45:19] | mzb_xps_: | I'm replacing brushless cheapies, so I suspect ceramic fans will be a _great_ improvement |
| [04:46:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: They're still brushless... ;-) |
| [04:46:43] | mzb_xps_: | yep |
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| [04:47:19] | mzb_xps_: | the one's I'm talking about are the 0.99c ones ... not sure how they're constructed but doubt they have bb's ;) |
| [04:47:28] | mzb_xps_: | (plastic sleeve?) |
| [04:47:31] | mzb_xps_: | ;) |
| [04:47:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: Brass sleeve usually. |
| [04:47:48] | mzb_xps_: | that'd explain the wear |
| [04:48:22] | mzb_xps_: | atm I'm soaking them in heavy duty gearbox oil for a week and then replacing them .... nothing else works as well |
| [04:48:36] | mzb_xps_: | so I figure get something decent |
| [04:49:03] | mzb_xps_: | I can buy the ceramic fans interstate cheaper than I can get bb locally |
| [04:49:33] | mzb_xps_: | but it's still ~$80 for 6x fans .... as opposed to $80 for 4 fans ;) |
| [04:49:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: Jeeze... you know, at 99c each, you could save yourself some hassle and just temporarily replace them.. ;-) |
| [04:50:01] | mzb_xps_: | nah ... WAF and "client" |
| [04:50:16] | mzb_xps_: | I'm only interested in the "other boxen" (mine;)) |
| [04:50:33] | mzb_xps_: | ie: I'm not replacing the fans in my boxen ;) |
| [04:50:46] | mzb_xps_: | they can be loud and I don't care ;) |
| [04:51:01] | mzb_xps_: | ... as long as they keep working |
| [04:51:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: Ah... ;-) hehe. My backend actually has 120MM BB fans, relatively quiet for how big they are. |
| [04:51:47] | mzb_xps_: | $12.50 ea for the "hassle free" option (which someone else pays for) ... and then I don't have to hear/worry about it again (in theory) |
| [04:52:28] | mzb_xps_: | actually in the process of adding a 120mm to my mythtv fileserver (already has 3x80mm + 2 in the PSU) |
| [04:52:40] | mzb_xps_: | (3 of the drives are "out of the draught") |
| [04:53:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: Actually, I lied... case has 3x 120MM, power supply has 1x120MM, and drive cages have 90mm fans on them. ;-) |
| [04:54:23] | mzb_xps_: | nice |
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| [04:55:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: hehe: http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/HDDs.jpg |
| [04:55:54] | mzb_xps_: | I've got two Dells (XPS-730 and PE4650) with NNNx fans, but don't use them for serious stuff (like mythtv;) (very loud when they get hot!;) |
| [04:56:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: 8 are populated – the 1st 6 are my Myth video drives (6x500), last 2 are OS & DB (2x200GB, mirrored) |
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| [04:56:08] | mzb_xps_: | pretty |
| [04:56:39] | mzb_xps_: | wish mine was that nice to look at |
| [04:57:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: The only thing I don't like about those racks is that the drive LEDs aren't lined up with the slots... poor design choice imho.. |
| [04:57:32] | mzb_xps_: | hacked up out of an old Aopen "server" case, 7 drives == 3x500GB (raid5), 1TB, 750GB, 250GB, 160GB ... a real dog's breakfast ;) |
| [04:58:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: I'd have drives in the other two slots too, but ran out of ports, and my stupid bios gets confused with > 8 drives... |
| [04:58:03] | mzb_xps_: | hehe ... ah well, if the LED's get to you, you can always give the case to me ;) |
| [04:58:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb_xps_: hehe... ;-) |
| [04:58:23] | mzb_xps_: | s/if/when ;)) |
| [04:58:47] | mzb_xps_: | ok ... now have 30 mins to .. |
| [04:59:16] | mzb_xps_: | nah ... too hard, I'd have to dismantle the whole machine for the drilling ... might leave it for tomorrow ;) |
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| [04:59:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | hehe... what time is it there, like 1 or 2pm? |
| [04:59:44] | mzb_xps_: | beer and think about conning women into letting me cook a roast on bbq |
| [04:59:49] | mzb_xps_: | 3:49pm |
| [04:59:54] | mzb_xps_: | s/59 |
| [05:00:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | hehe... 14 hrs ahead of me... ;-) Bedtime for me, have to be up in < 8 hrs ... doh! ;-) ttyl! |
| [05:01:00] | mzb_xps_: | gnight |
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| [05:26:40] | mzb_xps_: | ok ... fans and LCDs all paid for ... now ... |
| [05:27:11] | mzb_xps_: | (spending $ is much more fun than the other choices ... to a point;)) |
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| [06:13:03] | unimaginative: | ooh, my myth frontend just powered off? |
| [06:13:15] | unimaginative: | flipping through the program guide. |
| [06:14:26] | unimaginative: | and it wouldnt come right back on by pressing power button |
| [06:14:45] | justinh: | overmuheated? |
| [06:14:59] | justinh: | psu deadsickles? |
| [06:15:03] | unimaginative: | justinh, dunno... I need to get some temps. |
| [06:15:18] | unimaginative: | I doubt PSU is bad, it's a relatively new Antec. |
| [06:18:52] | justinh: | pffft. no matter which cd identification database I use, it's disappointing |
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| [06:19:13] | justinh: | it's like multi disc sets are submitted by different people |
| [06:19:29] | justinh: | so different spellings etc. bah |
| [06:20:17] | justinh: | e.g. Various Artists for disc1, then Various for disc2. and disc title (disc one) and disc title (that'd be disc2 then) |
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| [06:34:47] | Suidog: | hey all.. I'm having some trouble and I'm only getting a black screen when I goto watch live tv. Please help. Is there a standard questionarie I can fill out so you don't have to ask a million questions and waste youtime? |
| [06:35:01] | Suidog: | I'm hoping someone is alive |
| [06:36:49] | Suidog: | I'm running ubuntu 8.04 .. I can see my card loaded with v4l2 cx88 |
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| [06:38:52] | Suidog: | I'm getting a wierd error in the log. I know my card has an mpeg2 encoder but I get this in the log.. NVR(/dev/video0): Unknown video codec......assuming RTjpeg for now |
| [06:39:05] | Suidog: | anyone point me in the right direction? |
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| [06:46:05] | justinh: | sounds like somebody didn't tell mythtv-setup it's an mpeg encoding card |
| [06:46:17] | justinh: | assuming that part is known to work in linux, I mean |
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| [07:18:11] | Suidog: | justinh .. where do I do that? I selected the v4l2 .. did I need to select something else? |
| [07:18:57] | Suidog: | and how do I tell if mpeg2 encoding is supported on my device? |
| [07:21:44] | justinh: | well, for one you could tell us what tuner card it is |
| [07:22:06] | Suidog: | oh.. sorry .. it's an avermedia ultratv 1500 |
| [07:22:53] | Suidog: | I know it could do media encoding when I had it in my winblows xp media centerbox |
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| [07:25:15] | justinh: | I doubt it'll work as planned in linux |
| [07:25:26] | Suidog: | crap |
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| [07:26:09] | Suidog: | ok.. could you tell me if this one would work? http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B000MT . . . &sr=1-17 |
| [07:27:19] | justinh: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HVR-1600 |
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| [07:27:43] | justinh: | so that's a yes |
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| [07:29:34] | Suidog: | but it looks like you can only use one for cable .. or am I wrong? |
| [07:30:06] | justinh: | hmmm? |
| [07:30:42] | justinh: | well, analogue TV is dying on its ass soon enough |
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| [07:32:41] | Suidog: | I thought if you were using cable you'd be ok.. it's was just the ppl using antennae that would be hurting |
| [07:33:07] | Suidog: | or is it that you need cable AND the box to be ok/ |
| [07:33:07] | justinh: | you'll be fine until the cable company transitions to digital |
| [07:33:08] | Suidog: | ? |
| [07:33:24] | Suidog: | ah and I wonder how long that will be |
| [07:33:29] | justinh: | and even then you'll be able to use the card's video & audio input from the set top box :) |
| [07:34:48] | Suidog: | ya .. but thats just ugly |
| [07:35:16] | Suidog: | and you have to then use some ir blaster to change the channel right? |
| [07:35:23] | justinh: | yup |
| [07:35:30] | Suidog: | yuk |
| [07:36:28] | Suidog: | friggen cable and sat companies!! why can't I just have a digtail card with out paying through the nose! |
| [07:38:43] | Dagmar: | Because they've not managed to agree on how many tubes they'll shove up your nose to charge you with yet |
| [07:38:45] | Dagmar: | Basically. |
| [07:39:14] | Dagmar: | In the US, so long as the monopolists keep out-lawyering the FCC (maybe Obama will help somewhat there) we're just not going to see CableCard stuff happen |
| [07:39:50] | Dagmar: | justinh: The cable companies aren't about to transition forcibly to digital just yet |
| [07:40:25] | justinh: | nah it's gonna be a while.. years even |
| [07:40:49] | pheld: | There might be some hope in EU as regulators are moving in to secure a competitive market for receivers/PVRs and related equipment |
| [07:40:50] | justinh: | even longer, considering the current economic climate |
| [07:40:55] | Dagmar: | exactly |
| [07:41:19] | justinh: | unless the cablecos just happen to have millions of digital STBs & DVRs in hock somewhere :P |
| [07:41:22] | Dagmar: | pheld: yeah if you guys pull it off the manufacturers here might just break ranks and arrange for similar to be available here. |
| [07:41:45] | justinh: | arghhh musicbrainz submission is a PITA |
| [07:41:55] | Suidog: | ok.. so have any of you guys got the wireless mvp working? |
| [07:42:16] | Dagmar: | justinh: That's mainly to keept he loons out of it |
| [07:42:21] | justinh: | heh why would I be interested in a lame low-powered standard def frontend? |
| [07:42:36] | justinh: | Dagmar: I was about to say.. it's fair I guess. |
| [07:42:52] | Dagmar: | justinh: Sometimes it is very hard to get edits done, but that's a good thing |
| [07:43:11] | Dagmar: | You woudln't believe the long winded screeds I had to write to *permanently* fix the track list on Coil's Horse Rotorvator |
| [07:43:13] | justinh: | just wondering how many of my cd singles are in there... lots, I hope |
| [07:43:34] | Dagmar: | Their label screwed them and did a full production run without their permission and without paying them, and mucked up part of the tracklist |
| [07:43:37] | justinh: | done about 2/3 of my albums now. flac, with albumart :) |
| [07:43:40] | Suidog: | hate to interupt .. quick question..do any of you know if it's even worth trying for the wireless Mmvp? |
| [07:43:53] | Dagmar: | So in a lot of databases, 2–3 of the tracks for that album would be listed wrong because that's what the cover art said |
| [07:43:59] | justinh: | Suidog: if it's at all possible, use wired networking |
| [07:44:02] | justinh: | _always_ |
| [07:44:07] | Dagmar: | justinh++ |
| [07:44:42] | justinh: | wireless is convenient, sure. it's got its uses. media distribution in a permanent installation scenario is not one of them |
| [07:44:48] | Suidog: | well it's not an option for me . completely wireless .. 54g .. it's really good all through the house.. I get 54mb just about everywhere |
| [07:44:50] | Dagmar: | When I ripped the disc and looked it up in MusicBrainz it was wrong, and I looked at the history on it and it had been changed *twice* and at one point forked to two entries |
| [07:44:58] | justinh: | Suidog: YMMV |
| [07:45:03] | Dagmar: | It took work to clean it up, but their stuff is so nicely detailed |
| [07:45:10] | Suidog: | well it's for the garage and guest bedroom |
| [07:45:32] | justinh: | if reliability doesn't matter too much then sure :) |
| [07:45:39] | Dagmar: | Suidog: So long as you remember to move the AP's primary channel to 1 or 11 if you start having cordless phones, bluetooth devices, or microwave ovens showing up |
| [07:45:59] | Suidog: | I already have it on 1 :) |
| [07:46:08] | Dagmar: | Suidog: Those are the two channels that don't share any spectrum with the above (except for screwy microwaves) |
| [07:46:31] | justinh: | eek. that's all that CD pile done now. |
| [07:46:48] | Dagmar: | I live in a condoplex, and with the AP five feet from my Wii, when I first had it going transfer speeds for updates were *terrifyingly* slow |
| [07:47:00] | Dagmar: | There's a fsckton of cordless phones here because of the old people |
| [07:47:07] | justinh: | heheh |
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| [07:47:32] | Dagmar: | Little mario just ran and ran and ran and occasionally would jump and hit a brick to signify a block transfer completed |
| [07:47:43] | Dagmar: | After I changed the channel, it looked like someone had enabled a cheat |
| [07:47:58] | justinh: | wireless in my house is weird |
| [07:48:00] | Dagmar: | mushrooms in droves and mario busting bricks like mad |
| [07:48:04] | Suidog: | well I think I'm going to bite the bullet and get a hauppauge 150 off ebay.. and call it a day.. thanks for the help guys.. |
| [07:48:12] | justinh: | in different parts, on different OS, I get differing coverage |
| [07:48:15] | Dagmar: | Suidog: Do you have analog cable? |
| [07:48:42] | Suidog: | ya and digital (w/box of course) |
| [07:48:48] | Dagmar: | Suidog: If you've got a concern about someone trying to watch TV more or less live on it, you *may* wish to aim for a PVR-500. |
| [07:49:01] | Dagmar: | It's basically two tuners on one card that might as well simply be two PVR-150's. |
| [07:49:03] | Suidog: | why is that? |
| [07:49:29] | justinh: | because with only one tuner, you can only watch and record or record one channel at a time |
| [07:49:34] | Dagmar: | Having a tuner usually free is good for WAF |
| [07:49:49] | Suidog: | ah.. let me look.. the 150 is like $50 .. and I'm a cheap bastard.. I'm going to have to shell out like 130 for each of the wireless mvp too! |
| [07:50:16] | Dagmar: | The 500's are usually about twice that, although on eBay you've got more room to manoever |
| [07:50:35] | Suidog: | I'll look .. thanks for the advice |
| [07:50:45] | Dagmar: | You absolutely *don't* want a framegrabber card, even if it's free. |
| [07:50:52] | Dagmar: | They're just too much bloody hassle |
| [07:51:29] | Suidog: | ok.. found one for $75 .. good deal? |
| [07:51:38] | Dagmar: | I'd say so. I got mine for $125 some time back |
| [07:52:04] | Dagmar: | In case it doesn't come with docs, there's two coaxial connectors on the back |
| [07:52:15] | Dagmar: | YOu *don't* need a splitter. One is just for the FM tuner you probably won't be using |
| [07:52:31] | Dagmar: | Figured I should mention that bit |
| [07:53:31] | Suidog: | you don't? it looks like it only has to coax on the back.. if one is fm .. oh wait.. does it do it on the chip? |
| [07:53:41] | Dagmar: | There's an internal splitter |
| [07:53:49] | Suidog: | ah coolio |
| [07:54:05] | Dagmar: | As an FYI pretty much all NTSC tuners have FM radio functionality in them, merely because the stuff for that already has to be in there. |
| [07:54:17] | Dagmar: | NTSC TV audio is broadcast in _exactly_ the same way FM radio is |
| [07:54:36] | Dagmar: | At the moment Myth has no way to handle that properly tho |
| [07:54:38] | Suidog: | k.. hey so with ubuntu 8.04 it should just work right? |
| [07:54:54] | Dagmar: | Frankly, I'd get MythBuntu and save yourself a large hassle |
| [07:55:05] | Dagmar: | Mainly, you'll install it, and it'll "just work" after walking you through some configuration |
| [07:55:21] | Suidog: | do I select the mpeg2 for the source? or keep it v4l2? |
| [07:55:27] | Dagmar: | It's a variant of Ubuntu that is specifically for running mythTV |
| [07:56:00] | Suidog: | ya but I just got finished setting up this box.. it's a beast.. |
| [07:56:12] | Dagmar: | IIRC the selection actually mentions (PVR-x50,500) or something like that at the end |
| [07:56:41] | Suidog: | it's my media server/itunes media share/samba/access point/mythtv box |
| [07:57:19] | Suidog: | ok.. great! I'm ordering away |
| [08:00:57] | Suidog: | night |
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| [08:15:41] | justinh: | oh the irony. a tool to open that stupid plastic vacuum packaging comes in ... that awful plastic vacuum packaging |
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| [10:05:17] | mzb_xps_: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/AVerMedia_M150-D |
| [10:05:22] | mzb_xps_: | ? |
| [10:08:45] | justinh: | ?? |
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| [10:44:13] | clever: | whoa |
| [10:44:19] | clever: | google ad's are learning! |
| [10:44:28] | clever: | got an ad for a mythtv ir blaster:P |
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| [10:45:31] | justinh: | only just now? goes to show |
| [10:45:45] | clever: | ive had ad's blocked for ages |
| [10:45:57] | clever: | but the adblock+ extension is disapearing randomly in some profiles |
| [10:46:17] | clever: | ive also noticed 2 or even 3 ad's for google chrome, while using chrome to surf the site:P |
| [10:46:29] | _smaug42_: | hi, quick question... got a minor issue that I've seen a few times, but can't quite figure out how to resolve correctly... once in a while when I update the MythTV video database, and it discovers videos that i have removed, it will not remove the database entry... it asks to remove, I say yes, and it appears to do the remove, but when I check later, the entry is still there and still shows in the video listings.. |
| [10:47:00] | justinh: | I doubt it |
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| [10:47:33] | _smaug42_: | it's almost as if it does not actually update the database |
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| [10:49:09] | _smaug42_: | I've tried searching for clues on this on the web, but... not getting anywhere.. hoping someone here might have an aha moment and know what this is.. and maybe why it happens or how to fix it.... |
| [10:49:35] | justinh: | PEBCAK |
| [10:58:31] | flodin: | _smaug42_: but why are you not removing them through the mythtv interface? |
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| [11:08:24] | sphery: | _smaug42_: if you're using trunk, you have to exit MythVideo, wait >5seconds, then go back into MythVideo |
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| [11:18:54] | _smaug42_: | flodin: I am using the Myth interface to do all database updates |
| [11:19:39] | justinh: | but are you using trunk? |
| [11:22:27] | _smaug42_: | justinh: This is not just happening on my setup (it's not happening to me right now, but has happened in the past)... it has happened on my setup, and I didn't really bother much about it, but I got a call this morning from a friend who just set up his system last week, and is experiencing the exact same odd behavior... using 0.21 |
| [11:23:15] | _smaug42_: | I'll rlogin to his system and see if I can duplicate it... |
| [11:23:27] | _smaug42_: | and find the sequence of steps that triggers this |
| [11:25:04] | justinh: | yeah well, I suspect that a combination of manually removing files & not updating the db properly are the cause |
| [11:25:31] | justinh: | that, and possibly not mounting the video directory to the same point on all frontends |
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| [11:30:44] | _smaug42_: | it's a stand alone system, one mount point for videos (in the /home directory), files are copied in using a file manager, and sorted by genere, then MythTV is started, and the Myth interface is used to update the database and add IMBD covers/descriptions etc. The problem seems to show up when a video is moved to a new subdirectory in themain video directory, and then Mythdb is updated. Myth recognizes that the video is missing from |
| [11:30:46] | _smaug42_: | the original location, and asks to remove it from the database.. it finds the movie in the new location, and adds it. Exit and come back in later to update the database, and it finds the same video it removed before and want's to remove it again... only one frontend... no weird configs... no extra hardware, no NFS mounts... and how do you not update the db properly if you are using teh ythTV interface to do it in the first place, |
| [11:30:47] | _smaug42_: | and never touch the MySQL in any other way? |
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| [11:53:39] | justinh: | arghh. stupid stinking sound juicer |
| [11:53:52] | justinh: | back to EAC, with the whole fscking lot of them |
| [11:55:25] | sphery: | iamlindoro: if you get a chance, your response to the thread, "MBE loses tuners in SBE until I enter & exit from Mythtv-Setup" ( http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/370119#370119 --but there are a couple more responses not-yet-in-archive that could use your input) would be greatly appreciated, since you seem to understand the Network Manager no-LAN-til-GUI issue. |
| [11:56:11] | justinh: | so, time to delete about 200GB of flac files then |
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| [11:56:22] | justinh: | muhhhh, open source is better, yada yada yada |
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| [12:15:41] | justinh: | so, another let-down by the default package supplied with the distro :) |
| [12:15:57] | ** justinh installs something that uses cdparanoia ** | |
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| [12:23:43] | gbee: | careful, you'll soon end up a Gentoo user |
| [12:24:37] | gbee: | fwiw, mythmusic uses CD Paranoia and rips to flac ... you probably already know that |
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| [12:25:46] | justinh: | I'm settling for EAC |
| [12:26:07] | justinh: | I don't want all this lot in my mythmusic dir just yet |
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| [12:33:00] | justinh: | seems that sound juicer rips were just fast. absolutely FA syncing |
| [12:33:23] | justinh: | hence loads of glitches in every track. not acceptable at all |
| [12:34:18] | justinh: | I'd kind of assumed that all EAC was really good at was reading discs with supreme accuracy, not that general ripping with other apps would be absolutely useless |
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| [12:36:03] | gbee: | I've had no problems ripping with a couple of different OSS apps in the past, can't remember what they were though |
| [12:36:25] | gbee: | one was a KDE app though |
| [12:36:45] | justinh: | just tried k3b. eep. not for me |
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| [12:37:11] | justinh: | wonder if sound juicer has an option to use cdparanoia |
| [12:37:19] | gbee: | these days I use nothing but mythmusic and again I've never had problems, but then my discs aren't excessively scratched |
| [12:37:42] | justinh: | nah these weren't scratched discs, I wouldn't care |
| [12:38:01] | justinh: | these were new discs, still shiny, never seen the inside of a dj booth |
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| [12:39:54] | gbee: | never used k3b for ripping btw, only for burning |
| [12:41:28] | gbee: | kaudiocreator sounds familiar |
| [12:41:32] | ** gbee installs it ** | |
| [12:44:30] | justinh: | wonder if there are any desktop agnostic programs ;) |
| [12:44:35] | gbee: | hmm, could be the same one, looks different through because it's been updated for kde4 |
| [12:45:50] | justinh: | well putting k3b on left me with half of KDE, so might aswell try kaudiocreator |
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| [12:48:23] | gbee: | getting impatient waiting for a new driver release from Nvidia |
| [12:48:43] | clever: | 190?! |
| [12:48:44] | clever: | :P |
| [12:49:28] | gbee: | just one that fixes their breakage of 8200/8300 support |
| [12:49:48] | clever: | ahh:) |
| [12:50:03] | clever: | ive played with vdpau but it breaks my master backend |
| [12:50:38] | clever: | the client side(x11 client) libgl demands that you havd sse support on the cpu, and murders the process if you dont |
| [12:50:49] | clever: | mythbackend uses libgl(without actualy using it) |
| [12:51:05] | clever: | so mythbackend+vdpau on my P2==no worky |
| [12:51:37] | clever: | even though mythbackend never trys to even connect to the xserver, it refuses to function |
| [12:52:15] | clever: | gbee: sound like a bug we could file against nvidia? |
| [12:52:36] | clever: | it could become a real big breakage later on |
| [12:52:48] | gbee: | this has nothing to do with vdpau, they seem to have accidently set the busrate in the driver for the 8200/8300 to some minimum level (presumably PCI max) rather than the PCI-E level, as a result 2d/3d performance is terrible |
| [12:52:49] | clever: | trying to use the 180 drivers with old nvidia cards on old cpu |
| [12:53:03] | clever: | ahhh |
| [12:53:08] | clever: | but my problem is totaly seperate |
| [12:53:10] | gbee: | clever: they know about it, they know what the fix is, they just haven't released a driver including the fix yet |
| [12:53:26] | clever: | ahh |
| [12:53:34] | clever: | so it may be in the same release that fixes your problem |
| [12:53:48] | gbee: | but any 8200 based system is close to unusable with current driver releases |
| [12:54:04] | clever: | :( |
| [12:54:40] | gbee: | performs 3x worse than my old onboard 6200 TC |
| [12:55:16] | gbee: | err, 30% worse, not 300% |
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| [13:07:06] | justinh: | wtf path is the cdrom on these days? |
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| [13:07:47] | clever: | i think /dev/scd0 |
| [13:07:59] | clever: | i know it matches sc* |
| [13:10:13] | justinh: | oh don't worry ubuntu users, you won't ever need to know a real device name |
| [13:10:16] | justinh: | FFS |
| [13:10:45] | justinh: | /dev/scd0 apparently |
| [13:11:29] | Dibblah: | /dev/dvd may be a symlink, |
| [13:12:08] | clever: | i think scd0 is scsi cd 0 |
| [13:12:35] | clever: | same reason hda->sda |
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| [13:14:02] | justinh: | ffs all I want to do is rip some discs, not spend all day configuring stuff |
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| [13:15:37] | clever: | justinh: i would expect most programs to default to the right dev |
| [13:16:08] | clever: | or atleast the 1st drive from the common naming schemes |
| [13:17:04] | justinh: | heh. I figured that bit out. next up was the naming of the flac executables |
| [13:17:07] | justinh: | sheesh |
| [13:17:14] | justinh: | sack that riiiiiiiiight off |
| [13:20:02] | justinh: | screw it. I need more machines ripping at the same time |
| [13:20:08] | justinh: | reconfigure mythmusic here I come :) |
| [13:24:00] | justinh: | oof. terminate called after throwing an instance of std::out_of_range. nasty |
| [13:24:28] | justinh: | so, I guess I won't be using mythmusic after all |
| [13:25:49] | justinh: | heh. wrong device |
| [13:28:57] | justinh: | nope. can't use that either. bugger |
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| [13:31:04] | riddlebox: | hello does anyone use the motorolla dch3416 cable box? |
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| [14:07:09] | malocite: | Hey all... I have a question about the svn-fixes |
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| [14:07:51] | malocite: | if I do the svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0-21-fixes/ does that basically install the latest version, or do I then have to compile it |
| [14:08:09] | malocite: | or if I have an existing install will it simply update what I have |
| [14:10:18] | justinh: | you have to compile it yourself |
| [14:10:38] | justinh: | and I wouldn't advise you to do that without uninstalling any existing packages |
| [14:11:57] | malocite: | so you typically download the svn, uninstall what you have, then compile and run? |
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| [14:28:17] | yakman: | hi gbee, i found the problem with the memnory leak, it was a dodgy recording, deleted the recording and all's well |
| [14:28:45] | yakman: | I not sure what caused the recoding to create the failure though. |
| [14:29:55] | riddlebox: | do you guys think the cable co's will get rid off expanded basic SD and have everything be in QAM |
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| [14:45:41] | justinh: | they're bound to go all digital eventually |
| [14:45:57] | justinh: | and a good while after that, everything will be at least upscaled to HD |
| [14:49:12] | unimaginative: | sigh, my frontend box powered off again. |
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| [15:25:41] | iamlindoro: | Boo for a day where my body thinks 7:00 AM is "sleeping in" |
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| [15:41:29] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux, I got your e-mail re: your TVDB script. Fantastic Job! I don't have much to offer other than to hang in there and wait until the MythVideo downloading abstraction stuff gets in there and attach it to a ticket-- but that's really fantastic!! I know that Hads has been working on a script too (although I think yours is closer in behavior to the existing TMDB script and his is more of a command line mass-updater). |
| [15:41:29] | iamlindoro: | Again, *GREAT* job! |
| [15:43:31] | iamlindoro: | I especially like being able to feed it title and subtitle and get season and episode, that's *really* useful information if you are doing something like exporting from Watch Recordings |
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| [15:51:32] | RDV_Linux: | iamlindoro: Thanks. I am just looking at Hads script and have already contacted him via email a few moments ago. I already use the get season episode numbers in a user job to move and rename my TV series recordings. |
| [15:52:30] | iamlindoro: | yeah, I'd just continue to work it (since you can't currently have multiple grabbers in MythVideo) but once you can, hopefully soonish, I really hope you'll submit it |
| [15:54:02] | iamlindoro: | well, technically there's no reason not to submit it once it works just like the IMDB grabber, then it would be there waiting once the ability to use several at once is there |
| [15:55:37] | iamlindoro: | s/IMDB/TMDB/ |
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| [15:57:56] | RDV_Linux: | I would be happy to write a wrapper that put both tmdb.py and my ttvdb.py into a script that used the file name to determine which is a movie and which a tv show. I already did that but unfortunately used find_meta.py which uses imdb.py, Of course this morning I saw all the myth-dev comments on the demise of imdb.py |
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| [15:58:56] | iamlindoro: | The wrapper might be helpful in some cases, but I think having the ability to use them separately is still important for purposes of it being used by MythVideo |
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| [16:01:38] | RDV_Linux: | That is why I specified wrapper as you get the best of both worlds. Plus nightly jobs that parse your video directory, get posters, fanart and banners and add/update the Mythtv meta data is what I am after. |
| [16:02:45] | iamlindoro: | A good idea short term-- ultimately MythVideo will not require a scan any more and may also run the metadata scripts too |
| [16:03:49] | RDV_Linux: | I have been watching your comments on the coming changes for fanart and banners with great anticipation. In fact that what got me writing my own scripts. |
| [16:04:27] | iamlindoro: | Nice! I'm glad to hear it resulted in that kind of thing-- was just talking with someone yesterday about hoping it would get people to put some work into the grabbers |
| [16:04:46] | iamlindoro: | With any luck my patches for all that stuff should hit trunk in the next week or so |
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| [16:07:42] | RDV_Linux: | If you have an idea of what beyond the functionality found in the current query engine/grabbers Mythvideo could use in the future please pass them along. As long as it can be achieved in python I could give it a go. I saw a possible target of Wednesday mentioned in this channel. |
| [16:08:10] | unimaginative: | I wish I could figure out what kind of voodoo alsaconf does to get my sound working. my alsasound boot script doesn't work on boot, but if I re-run it afterwards it works. |
| [16:09:16] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux, I'll let you know if anything new pops up-- I think you've got a very good start on it (and seem to have everything I know of handled right right now) |
| [16:10:26] | iamlindoro: | Anyway, Nice job again! |
| [16:11:48] | gbee: | cast photos |
| [16:12:16] | iamlindoro: | yeah, that might be nice |
| [16:12:56] | iamlindoro: | I haven't done any of the work I intended to yet on cast photos |
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| [16:15:04] | RDV_Linux: | The tvdb_api.py my script uses does not currently get cast graphics URL(s) but does get the episode graphic URL. |
| [16:16:38] | iamlindoro: | Isn't the episode graphic URL from TTVDB usually just a screenshot? |
| [16:17:48] | RDV_Linux: | Yes it is only a screen shot. I get it when as part if the episode meta data but have not downloaded any of them myself. |
| [16:18:33] | iamlindoro: | yeah, ultimately MythVideo will likely generate its own screenshots |
| [16:18:37] | RDV_Linux: | s/when as part if the episode/as part of the episode/ |
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| [16:26:20] | unimaginative: | I hate my cable co's last minuite schedule changes |
| [16:27:01] | unimaginative: | the guide says Discovery channel is playing "Killer Germs" but actually showing a rerun of Time Warp. |
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| [16:55:08] | justinh: | snowing again :) |
| [16:56:06] | dustybin: | justinh: what about work |
| [16:56:14] | justinh: | what about it? |
| [16:56:21] | dustybin: | how will you get to work |
| [16:56:22] | iamlindoro: | Grownups don't work on Saturdays |
| [16:56:23] | justinh: | I'm not walking 35 miles |
| [16:56:26] | iamlindoro: | or Sundays |
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| [16:56:52] | justinh: | besides, I can work from home – based on what I've been doing lately :P |
| [16:56:57] | dustybin: | Grown-ups |
| [16:57:22] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: could you watch your grammar please |
| [16:57:25] | iamlindoro: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grownups |
| [16:57:35] | iamlindoro: | Grownups. |
| [16:57:44] | dustybin: | dam :( |
| [16:57:56] | iamlindoro: | damn |
| [16:58:14] | dustybin: | shall we do a sponsored iamlindoro and justinh no IRC for a week |
| [16:58:25] | justinh: | I don't believe in charity |
| [16:58:26] | dustybin: | should rake in a few quid :P |
| [16:58:34] | iamlindoro: | If I'm the one getting paid for it, sure |
| [16:58:50] | justinh: | dustybin: leave all the problem solving to you & emm see who huh? good luck with that one |
| [16:58:58] | dustybin: | haha not a good idea lol |
| [16:59:03] | dustybin: | me and clever |
| [16:59:14] | dustybin: | running tings |
| [16:59:16] | justinh: | awww what's wrong with emm see who? |
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| [17:00:00] | justinh: | dustybin: when you lipped all your CD collection what did you use? |
| [17:00:12] | dustybin: | lipped? |
| [17:00:16] | dustybin: | ripped |
| [17:00:18] | justinh: | I've tried a bunch of stuff on linux, even the ones using cdparanoia & they sound gash |
| [17:00:29] | dustybin: | for a cd i just use perfect settings on mythtv |
| [17:00:32] | justinh: | back to EAC on windows now |
| [17:00:33] | dustybin: | that goes straight to FLAC |
| [17:00:48] | iamlindoro: | I'd say his auditory acuity is probably similar to his visual acuity |
| [17:00:49] | justinh: | I tried that on a few discs but it sounded rough as a badger's |
| [17:01:00] | dustybin: | o,O |
| [17:01:07] | iamlindoro: | what with his "sweet" HP frontend and adoration for SD |
| [17:01:22] | dustybin: | that frontend is excellent, no problems at all |
| [17:01:39] | dustybin: | its small, silent. my sister uses it all the time |
| [17:01:47] | iamlindoro: | sigh |
| [17:02:02] | justinh: | maybe I missed the 'do not put periodic moments of hash in the output file' setting |
| [17:02:06] | dustybin: | ill take some pictures of it soon |
| [17:02:26] | iamlindoro: | please don't inflict^H^H^H^H share pictures with us |
| [17:03:00] | dustybin: | im going to start planning up the next generation HD setup only on paper at the moment |
| [17:03:00] | justinh: | btw the discs I tried didn't have so much as a fingerprint on em |
| [17:04:26] | dustybin: | debian lenny will take forever to release: Number concerning the next release: 123 |
| [17:04:33] | iamlindoro: | justinh, Any recent progress on ye olde patch? |
| [17:05:24] | dustybin: | i love this clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG2MnhrrY7s |
| [17:05:26] | dustybin: | excellent |
| [17:05:52] | iamlindoro: | Yes, fat hairy FOSS nerds. Great. |
| [17:06:07] | iamlindoro: | Don't drink the kool-aid |
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| [17:07:13] | iamlindoro: | He could be played by Philip Seymour Hoffman if there were anything remotely interesting about him |
| [17:07:27] | dustybin: | O,o |
| [17:09:20] | dustybin: | how often do you check your logs? do you think its good practice to check once a day if your running a server? |
| [17:09:50] | justinh: | iamlindoro: nah I'm still stuck in a 'dunno how the eff to do it' hole |
| [17:10:41] | justinh: | iamlindoro: got the 'selected' width & height to do my bidding, but not the autowidth. |
| [17:11:08] | iamlindoro: | Sounds like progress is slow but steady |
| [17:11:27] | justinh: | not giving up just yet. having a break :) |
| [17:11:29] | iamlindoro: | At least, seems you've made progress since last week |
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| [17:12:25] | justinh: | aye. quite chuffed so far |
| [17:13:56] | dustybin: | is it worth creating a theme for .22 yet? or should i wait until everything settles? |
| [17:14:11] | justinh: | been trying to catch some reading up on the subject of how to fettle inheritance, examples don't really relate to me all that much :( |
| [17:14:22] | iamlindoro: | Hmmm... I wonder why right/left gestures don't seem to work in a grid |
| [17:14:25] | justinh: | dustybin: fwiw, start now |
| [17:14:38] | dustybin: | justinh: that would mean installing .22 in vmware? |
| [17:14:47] | justinh: | .. or whatever. yes |
| [17:14:51] | dustybin: | aye ok |
| [17:15:05] | dustybin: | actually im not sure if opengl + vmware is a good mix |
| [17:15:18] | justinh: | my laptop comes in handy :D |
| [17:16:05] | dustybin: | im going to do a theme with a background image of richard stallman |
| [17:16:15] | iamlindoro: | should be tremendously popular |
| [17:16:21] | Dibblah: | dustybin: It'll have to be 4:3 |
| [17:16:23] | justinh: | damn. just noticed EAC on the vista laptop isn't saving files in their own dirs. grrr |
| [17:16:30] | Dibblah: | ... Otherwise, you won't fit in the beard. |
| [17:16:33] | iamlindoro: | I've always wanted a fat ugly freak with poor hygiene as my background |
| [17:16:34] | dustybin: | lo |
| [17:16:50] | ** dustybin falls off chair laughing ** | |
| [17:17:03] | justinh: | after watching the BBC's Click today I'm thinking "hmmmmm 21:9 themes" |
| [17:17:26] | iamlindoro: | justinh, What, did they have the new 2.35:1 screen on? |
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| [17:17:38] | justinh: | Phillips' new line of 21:9 aspect TVs. Oh dear oh dear. they stretch 16:9 content to fit |
| [17:17:46] | justinh: | the marketing guy said this mind |
| [17:17:54] | justinh: | oh and 4:3 gets stretched to 16:9 |
| [17:17:56] | iamlindoro: | oh, really? I had figured they just left it pillarboxed |
| [17:17:57] | justinh: | yippee! |
| [17:18:00] | justinh: | nope |
| [17:18:08] | justinh: | they have some autoscaling doohickey |
| [17:18:12] | iamlindoro: | that seems... a poor choice |
| [17:18:21] | justinh: | which by the sounds of it can't be turned off |
| [17:19:48] | justinh: | the presenter asked "so considering the target market for this kind of thing.. aren't people going to be slightly dismayed at you stretching the picture?".. lol |
| [17:20:23] | justinh: | phillips' guy "no no, it's all very slight and actually makes the video more impressive looking" |
| [17:20:27] | justinh: | roflmao |
| [17:20:40] | justinh: | whoops |
| [17:21:03] | iamlindoro: | My folks watch all their 4:3 content stretched on their 16:9 TV |
| [17:21:22] | iamlindoro: | something about "wanting to use their whole HD screen" |
| [17:21:24] | justinh: | lots of people do, though I expect none of those people are home cinema afficionados |
| [17:22:28] | justinh: | whee. Fine Young Cannibals Raw & the Cooked ripped in EAC, NICE. Ripped in mythmusic or anything else on linux even with cdparanoia up to the max... click click click fart |
| [17:22:35] | iamlindoro: | My coworker's inlaws do the same-- he went over to their place and found that they had hooked their HD Sat box up to their $6000 TV with composite and were stretching on top of that |
| [17:22:46] | justinh: | oof |
| [17:23:34] | justinh: | iamlindoro: what you need is a screen whose aspect morphs on demand :P |
| [17:23:44] | iamlindoro: | like the curtains at the theatre :) |
| [17:23:50] | justinh: | superHDportraitmode ftw! |
| [17:26:24] | iamlindoro: | 4:3 will become more and more moot, but it'd be nice to see a standardization between home and cinema aspect ratios some day |
| [17:26:40] | justinh: | I doubt it'll happen |
| [17:26:48] | iamlindoro: | I'd happily do 2.35:1 at home if all content was in it, but toherwise, pfft |
| [17:26:52] | iamlindoro: | otherwise |
| [17:26:53] | justinh: | the cinema nuts want to keep cinema 'special' |
| [17:26:59] | iamlindoro: | yeah, I doubt it too, just musing |
| [17:27:10] | justinh: | hence all the hoohah about '3d' |
| [17:27:19] | justinh: | I really hope it's short lived |
| [17:27:36] | iamlindoro: | I'll state again for the record that Chuck in 3D was positively awful |
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| [17:27:54] | justinh: | wasn't it just _awful_ nevermind the 3d though? ;) |
| [17:28:01] | iamlindoro: | barely if ever 3D, and sickening looking to boot |
| [17:28:07] | iamlindoro: | Awww, Chuck is fun |
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| [17:28:20] | justinh: | I actually almost reached for my remote yesterday watching 'Yes Man' |
| [17:28:20] | iamlindoro: | Plus the chick is unimaginably hot |
| [17:29:09] | justinh: | heh |
| [17:29:45] | justinh: | never forget when I went to see The Mask on a 1st date. Whoops. "so THIS is why you wanted to see this film & not the obscure french one?!" |
| [17:30:07] | justinh: | hey, I had no idea they were gonna do that reveal on Ms Diaz |
| [17:30:43] | iamlindoro: | I can't look at Cameron Diaz without thinking of the fact that she's actually more man than most men |
| [17:30:47] | justinh: | anybody noticed btw, that in the absence of it being a weekday what a good mood I'm in? ;) |
| [17:32:13] | justinh: | bloody heck! no moar emm pee flea for me no siree |
| [17:32:36] | justinh: | might need another 1TB drive |
| [17:32:54] | justinh: | so I can keep the emmpeefleas for the inhouse iPoo & my incar player |
| [17:33:43] | justinh: | if I was into micros I'd hack up a portable flac player that'd interface to the car headunit using their own protocol |
| [17:34:04] | justinh: | bit of a waste on those speakers though ;-) |
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| [17:40:29] | ** iamlindoro wonders why that guy is constantly changing his nick capitalization ** | |
| [17:40:43] | justinh: | maybe it's just a front |
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| [17:41:54] | iamlindoro: | could be, maybe he's passign secret messages |
| [17:41:58] | iamlindoro: | passing |
| [17:43:00] | thefRont: | who? |
| [17:43:01] | thefRont: | ;) |
| [17:44:26] | iamlindoro: | theYOu |
| [17:45:43] | justinh: | one thing I'm wondering is.. what the hell is EAC doing with a 'power down when finished ripping' setting? like encoding a disc takes that long |
| [17:46:21] | justinh: | if there was a 'slower than realtime' setting I'd understand ;) |
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| [17:47:08] | iamlindoro: | Probably one of those legacy settings they're stuck with (their "PVR-350 video out") |
| [17:47:23] | justinh: | wish there was an 'eject disc when done' tickbox |
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| [17:50:49] | justinh: | **** me I should listen to music like this more often |
| [17:51:12] | justinh: | next payday, fancy portable music device coming to my pocket |
| [17:56:02] | Dibblah: | justinh: Some drives only read audio at 1x, and with maximum paranoia set, it can take up to 6 hours to read a disc. |
| [17:56:14] | justinh: | ! |
| [17:56:35] | justinh: | take it you have to have a leet 'supported' drive for that then |
| [17:56:40] | Dibblah: | That's using box of rocks CD storage. |
| [17:56:43] | Dibblah: | No. |
| [17:57:06] | Dibblah: | I use CDEX, which allows you to set it all. |
| [17:57:16] | Dibblah: | Can recover fairly badly scratched CDs. |
| [17:57:44] | justinh: | the great irony is, the discs that are badly damaged are from my DJ career, and I don't want to preserve em |
| [17:57:47] | justinh: | 17:24 < justinh> superHDportraitmode ftw! |
| [17:57:53] | justinh: | oops |
| [17:59:06] | unimaginative: | grr, now my myth frontend keeps powering off randomly. |
| [17:59:20] | justinh: | you inadvertently got MythTaste installed |
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| [18:00:55] | iamlindoro: | "What is the new (I assume .22) UI built in? I read a note a while back about flash...is it all going SWF?" |
| [18:00:57] | iamlindoro: | Heh |
| [18:01:35] | unimaginative: | I wonder what is making X switch back nf forth between 98% and 7.1% |
| [18:01:51] | unimaginative: | and apparently the X process is running under user root. |
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| [18:19:00] | ** justinh hands the guy in #mythtv some grey duct tape ** | |
| [18:19:21] | justinh: | s/duct/letterbox |
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| [18:26:41] | justinh: | heh. this cd has been in a Denon 2000F Mk3 a few too many times |
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| [18:39:22] | ** unimaginative tries to find the cause of the little thin black bar on top of my digital streams. ** | |
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| [18:40:01] | justinh: | the broadcaster is the cause |
| [18:40:16] | justinh: | everybody in tv production assumes all TVs overscan |
| [18:40:51] | unimaginative: | justdave, mmm |
| [18:41:14] | unimaginative: | justinh, I guess I can fiddle around with myth's overscan settings |
| [18:46:55] | unimaginative: | Is there any way to set the zoom setting "stretch" on all recordings by default? |
| [18:47:12] | justinh: | myers |
| [18:47:23] | justinh: | utils/setup > setup > tv settings > playback |
| [18:47:53] | justinh: | oh wait. stretch by default? hmmm but still eew.. yeah that's there IIRC |
| [18:49:19] | unimaginative: | justinh, I just want it to stretch 4:3 streams. It's weird, the wife complains about the bars on the left and right (for correct aspect ratio) but doesn't complain about watching a widescreen film on a 4:3 TV |
| [18:50:50] | justinh: | wtf? got a heavy load on my network copying files & every fscking windows box has slowed down |
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| [18:56:45] | clever: | justinh: windows is designed to crap up when you least expect it:P |
| [18:57:46] | justinh: | I can see me having to use scp |
| [18:58:02] | justinh: | only way I'll be able to be sure the files are ok at the other end |
| [18:58:11] | clever: | i would just md5sum them |
| [18:58:26] | justinh: | better to copy em right in the 1st place |
| [18:58:49] | justinh: | I've already found I've got to re-rip some re-rips |
| [18:59:03] | justinh: | bloody laptop drives |
| [19:00:54] | justinh: | heh. just tested a new rip out of curiosity, and it seems it's just the laptop running vista which can't play flac files without spotty gaps. FFS! |
| [19:01:28] | clever: | yep, proof that windows is designed to crap up:P |
| [19:01:54] | justinh: | but a flac! |
| [19:01:54] | justinh: | jees man |
| [19:02:11] | RDV_Linux: | iamlindoro: Please point me to the documentation on how to submit something like my ttvdb.py query engine for thetvdb.com. I have looked at the MythTV wiki for developers but cannot not finding my way to the required information. I am a total rookie at submitting anything. |
| [19:02:18] | justinh: | I know the laptop is only like a turion or something but crap on a stick |
| [19:02:21] | clever: | the only time i can remember having trouble playing compressed audio(mp3) was on a ~50mhz laptop |
| [19:02:32] | clever: | the poor thing didnt have enough cpu to decode mp3 in realtime |
| [19:02:39] | justinh: | clever: wait til you get vista :D |
| [19:02:48] | clever: | justinh: that was linux:P |
| [19:02:52] | justinh: | doesn't matter how much you have, it's never enough |
| [19:02:55] | clever: | lol |
| [19:03:09] | clever: | reminds me of a joke about getting rid of the borg |
| [19:03:18] | clever: | they gave them a copy of windows:P |
| [19:03:41] | justinh: | jees. that bad edit on the theme tune of Secret Diary of a Callgirl is actually on the Amy Winehouse album. pff |
| [19:04:17] | justinh: | naughty Ronson |
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| [19:05:59] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux, You can just go to svn.mythtv.org and click "new ticket" in the upper right |
| [19:06:22] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux, Then fill out the ticket except instead of "defect" it'll be "enhancement" and you can attach your grabber |
| [19:07:09] | RDV_Linux: | Thanks. I will check that out. |
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| [19:28:35] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: Have you got time for a question about whether you'd be willing to accept a change to SG initialization fallbacks? (Asking because it will take a moment to type out the what/why.) |
| [19:28:46] | Captain_Murdoch: | sure. |
| [19:30:05] | Captain_Murdoch: | just trying to tweak my ATSC antenna. moved my ATSC cards to a slave backend that I'm using to test my wakeup/shutdown patch. seems to be working fine right now. the slave was awakened at noon to record something and was promptly put to sleep at 12:30 because it wasn't needed until 3:00PM. |
| [19:30:35] | Captain_Murdoch: | 'promptly' meaning right after it finished recording the noon program. |
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| [19:31:08] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: Currently, when creating an SG with groupname and no hostname, it falls back to default if the group doesn't exist... Makes perfect sense and I don't want to change that. |
| [19:31:15] | sphery: | But, if creating an SG with groupname /and/ hostname, and the group wasn't defined /on that host/ it falls back to "Default"+hostname, then "Default". Would you be consider a patch that changes it to groupname+hostname, then groupname+"", then "Default"+hostname, then "Default"+"". |
| [19:31:50] | Captain_Murdoch: | yeah, that makes sense. |
| [19:31:58] | Captain_Murdoch: | prefer to stay in the group rather than on the host. |
| [19:32:26] | sphery: | Currently, Init() is a recursive function, so it's implemented the way it is because once we throw out data, we can't get it back... I was considering changing it to 2 functions (Init() keeps hostname /and/ groupname, then calls the function that does query with no-host fallback, then Init() falls back to default) |
| [19:33:15] | Captain_Murdoch: | yeah, that's fine by me. |
| [19:33:40] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: great... Currently, our SG's aren't as most people expect... We currently force users to define any non-Default SG on all hosts |
| [19:33:47] | Captain_Murdoch: | makes more sense if people only setup storage groups on their master. |
| [19:34:11] | Captain_Murdoch: | yeah, new fallback would make more sense. |
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| [19:36:01] | sphery: | Cool. I don't think anyone's setup is complex enough that it's been a problem (most have only "Default", those with more may have only one backend, those who would be affected probably just haven't noticed where recordings may go to the "wrong" group dirs :) |
| [19:36:31] | sphery: | I'll do the patch today and put it on trac... BTW, thanks for the record 3 1/2-hr turnaround on that logging patch! |
| [19:37:31] | sphery: | I'm not expecting the same on this one... Just wanted to make sure that my other patches (which rely on the fallback approach I mentioned) are worth continuing to work on--so just looking for confirmation that the idea is acceptable. |
| [19:37:45] | Captain_Murdoch: | :) figured it was just as easy to commit after I looked at it. I need to take a look at that "change verbose level on the fly" one, that would come in handy sometimes. |
| [19:38:32] | sphery: | Yeah, you said it needs some work, though, for multiple backends and stuff? |
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| [19:41:31] | sphery: | Nice on the WOL... That will be a /very/ good thing for low-power-usage mythtv |
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| [19:43:03] | Captain_Murdoch: | it works for multiple backends. it tracks them separately. if this works fine for the next few days, my next task is to move my 3 AverMedia M179 analog cards to another slave out of my master. |
| [19:43:24] | Captain_Murdoch: | even using internal code to send WOL packet now. |
| [19:43:43] | sphery: | cool |
| [19:45:01] | sphery: | are you going to modify the other WOL usages (for WOLsqlCommand and WOLbackendCommand) |
| [19:45:22] | sphery: | or leave that for someone else to get to? |
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| [19:45:31] | Captain_Murdoch: | I need to handle cases where you schedule a recording that starts now or started in the past, I think I may timeout thinking the slave has taken too long to start. need to test and handle that situation. also trying to figure out what I want to do with the JobQueue. |
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| [19:47:29] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: So what's the state of that recordings move code? Is it something close to being ready for commit or that might be available for early preview release--especially to someone willing to work on it? :) |
| [19:47:30] | Captain_Murdoch: | I need to wrap my head around all the current WOL functionality. right now I've been ignoring it. but my stuff stands alone pretty much anyway. I don't think it will affect itmuch if your master also starts up and shuts down automatically. when the master starts up, it wakes up all slaves that it could possibly shut down so that they connect and it can insure proper state. then once they've connected to the master onc |
| [19:47:30] | Captain_Murdoch: | e, it reschedules to take their tuners into account and then shuts them down after the reschedule if they aren't busy for the next 45 (tunable using hidden setting) minutes. |
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| [19:49:48] | Captain_Murdoch: | I can drop a patch somewhere if you or someone want to look at it. It's in a jobqueue patch that I have in my tree. I'm not running that on my production right now because I wanted to deal with this sleeping slave thing first. I don't have any GUI work done for the migrate, I just did the code in jobqueue.cpp. |
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| [19:50:05] | sphery: | nice... The current WOL stuff seems kind of sketchy, too... If the network is down (which seems to be a problem with newbuntu--the network is configured by a GUI program, so it's not available until after X starts!), we can get a ping-test failure that prevents the WOL or reconnect attempts... So, good luck looking through that. |
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| [19:50:55] | sphery: | Yeah, I'd definitely be interested in seeing it, if it's not too much trouble. |
| [19:51:32] | clever: | sphery: did you get my msg in #mythtv? |
| [19:51:43] | Captain_Murdoch: | the scheduler will resend a WOL packet if it doesn't see the server connect within 2 minutes of sending the first. |
| [19:52:11] | sphery: | clever: yeah, meant to say, "Wrong number..." stuarta is the one who wrote the original and I think GreyFoxx was using it. I don't. |
| [19:52:32] | clever: | ahhh |
| [19:52:32] | clever: | my memory is realy going:P |
| [19:52:44] | Captain_Murdoch: | actually, it will keep sending them starting at that point until it sees the slave online or it it past time to start recording. that's the part I need to look at to handle recordings that started in the past. |
| [19:52:50] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: Cool... Sounds like yours is much cleaner than the backend initialization code. |
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| [19:53:11] | clever: | Captain_Murdoch: the master can wake slaves to do a recording? |
| [19:53:24] | sphery: | his can |
| [19:53:28] | sphery: | yours can't |
| [19:53:29] | Captain_Murdoch: | not much logic involved in "startup a slave if we need it", "shut down a slave if we don't", and "consider sleeping slaves the same as connected ones when scheduling" |
| [19:53:35] | clever: | ahh, special patch |
| [19:53:41] | sphery: | yours will be able to eventually :) |
| [19:53:53] | clever: | the problem i can see, is scheduling stuff for a slave that isnt online |
| [19:53:58] | Dagmar: | "beat the slaves if we're bored"... when does that bit kick in? |
| [19:54:10] | clever: | need to convince the scheduler that x MAY be online |
| [19:54:38] | Captain_Murdoch: | clever, the scheduler will consider a slave as online if it was put to sleep by the master, because the master believes it can wakeup that slave (and it checked that the slave had a wakeup command before it was put to sleep). |
| [19:54:48] | clever: | in my case, i would just have it beep loudly for the 'wol command' |
| [19:54:58] | clever: | ahhh |
| [19:55:04] | clever: | sounds like your fixing a problem i had |
| [19:55:11] | clever: | slaves dont go to sleep on there own |
| [19:55:17] | Captain_Murdoch: | no, only when told by the master. |
| [19:55:33] | clever: | my problem is that nothing would autoshutdown until EVERYTHING was idle |
| [19:55:36] | sphery: | so, I think today is the day I consider my "old-non-80+ PSU consumption data" sufficient and swap out the master backend's PSU for an 80+ one and start measuring its usage (to see if it's worth replacing my not-broken PSU's, too) |
| [19:55:39] | Captain_Murdoch: | currently in the patch the master will tell a slave to go to sleep if it won't be in use for 45 minutes. |
| [19:55:40] | clever: | and then the ENTIRE network would go to sleep |
| [19:56:27] | clever: | Captain_Murdoch: what if the slave is currently running jobs? |
| [19:56:42] | ** Captain_Murdoch just heard his slave wakup from sleep and beep because it has to record something in a few minutes. ** | |
| [19:57:10] | clever: | my only capture slave is a dual boot, so wol may bring it into winblows |
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| [19:57:31] | clever: | i would simply configure it to beep loudly and then i boot it manualy if its important |
| [19:57:50] | Captain_Murdoch: | if it is running a job, then it won't be put to sleep by the master. I have a note in my TODO to make the scheduler check every so often for this and shutdown the slave if it's not busy anymore. currently it only checks after performing a reschedule. |
| [19:58:03] | sphery: | clever: with a proper windows shutdown script, it could edit the /boot/grub/default |
| [19:58:16] | sphery: | clever: or just don't use default saved |
| [19:58:19] | Captain_Murdoch: | the beep was the PC actually, it's nothing I put in. |
| [19:58:22] | clever: | sphery: yes, my /boot is fat32 based so i can do that kind of stuff |
| [19:58:39] | clever: | but dad doesnt want it booting into linux every time |
| [19:58:44] | clever: | so it has to default to windows |
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| [19:59:35] | ** sphery goes to write an SG initialization patch... ** | |
| [19:59:39] | sphery: | thanks for the help Captain_Murdoch |
| [20:00:59] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: and if you feel like e-mailing or PM'ing me the patch/location, I'd be happy to do some work on it (including GUI)... Feel free to include direction/desired functionality. |
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| [20:02:20] | Captain_Murdoch: | yw, I need to run downstairs for a while so I'll be afk. may be back later tonight to work on a few of these things and to make sure that file mover patch is presentable. I have a use for that coming up as well. want to put some more drives on my network, and am thinking of putting a big one in my frontend and moving recordings to it overnight but not recording directly to it. so it wouldn't have any load except playbac |
| [20:02:20] | Captain_Murdoch: | k and playback wouldn't affect recordings. I'll try to send you something tonight on the mover patch. |
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| [20:04:01] | sphery: | thanks... your stuff still takes priority. |
| [20:04:12] | sphery: | but I'd love to see it. |
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| [20:06:19] | snarkster: | hi |
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| [20:06:36] | snarkster: | ive got an issue with my external movie storage drive not mounting at boot up.. |
| [20:07:02] | sphery: | USB? |
| [20:07:06] | snarkster: | as well as dvds not working correctly.. is this the norm? I was under the impression it would be automatic |
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| [20:07:12] | snarkster: | yes USB |
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| [20:07:37] | sphery: | is it in /etc/fstab and /not/ specifying noauto (or specifying auto) |
| [20:07:47] | sphery: | (column 4, specifically) |
| [20:07:47] | iamlindoro: | There, I've themed mythbrowser, now I can say I did something today |
| [20:08:25] | Dagmar: | If you want HAL to deal with it, you *can't* put an entry in /etc/fstab |
| [20:08:30] | Dagmar: | Not even one with noauto |
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| [20:08:56] | clever: | Dagmar: you could write up your own udev stuff to handle it... |
| [20:09:00] | quadtree: | can mythtv 0.21 get EIT data when using firewire w/ a STB? I see IsEITCapable only returns true when the card is a DVB or HDHOMERUN, but is there more to it? |
| [20:09:19] | Dagmar: | clever: Got nothing to do with anything |
| [20:09:22] | snarkster: | well when the box is running the drive just shows up on the desktop |
| [20:09:27] | iamlindoro: | There is no EIT data via firewire (and never will be, can't be done) |
| [20:09:27] | snarkster: | but will not automount |
| [20:09:35] | quadtree: | iamlindoro, thanks |
| [20:09:38] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [20:09:46] | snarkster: | how do you tell myth where the movies are if its dynamic? |
| [20:09:49] | clever: | Dagmar: udev i beleive will create the block nodes for the usb drive, and could then run hal like scripts to inspect&mount it |
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| [20:09:59] | Dagmar: | clever: Doesn't matter. |
| [20:10:22] | Dagmar: | clever: There's nothing you can tell me about udev/hal that I don't already know and you're trying to lecture me about stuff that's completely irrelevant to what's going on |
| [20:10:57] | Dagmar: | snarkster: There has to be a userspace program whose job is to mount the disks |
| [20:11:05] | snarkster: | oh. |
| [20:11:08] | sphery: | quadtree: Are you in the US? If so, the chances that your cable co even has EIT data on there are almost 0 (you'd likely get /only/ now/next) as they want you to rent their STB's. SchedulesDirect.org ftw! |
| [20:11:11] | Dagmar: | snarkster: MythTV provides no such daemon, although GNOME and KDE do. |
| [20:11:20] | snarkster: | so myth doent really handle that, its an os function |
| [20:11:29] | snarkster: | ok |
| [20:11:33] | Dagmar: | snarkster: Additionally, those are facilitated by HAL, and it will *ignore* media you've specified in /etc/fstab |
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| [20:11:53] | snarkster: | ok how about dvds then |
| [20:11:56] | sphery: | quadtree: i.e, as iamlindoro, there's no EIT over firewire, but more so, chances are even if you got an ATSC QAM-capable card and plugged the cable into it, you wouldn't get usable EIT |
| [20:12:04] | snarkster: | or is that automatic as well |
| [20:12:07] | sphery: | as he said.. |
| [20:12:11] | Dagmar: | Myth has no way to handle hot pluggable storage that's added. It doesn't use "hot" indexes to keep track of files, it only looks for new ones when you tell it to |
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| [20:13:06] | Dagmar: | So sure you could rig HAL to mount your optical disks under /storage/mythvideo/mountpoint where you keep all the other stuff for mythvideo, but it won't get noticed until you tell mythvideo to scan for new media in it's directory |
| [20:13:30] | clever: | i think that drives with a proper label, will get mounted by that name under /media/ |
| [20:13:52] | quadtree: | sphery, yea I'm in the US, using comcast. I know that what's on 'now' is available since my tv displays. I actually have SD, just was curious what EIT would provide. |
| [20:14:11] | quadtree: | sphery, 'my tv displays it', I mean. |
| [20:14:11] | Dagmar: | quadtree: Not much since Comcast doesn't really care about EIT |
| [20:14:37] | iamlindoro: | If you've got SD, it'll usually be vastly superior to any EIT offering |
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| [20:14:40] | snarkster: | then what good is the option to run mythdvd upon disc insertion if it doesnt know there is a disc |
| [20:15:02] | clever: | while you could make your own hal like mounting in udev, it would be simpler to use the existing hal structure for automounting |
| [20:15:36] | snarkster: | i read all sort of good reviews, and how user friendly it is, but when i ask a question i find there is no real easy way of doing something like mounting a dvd or disc |
| [20:15:41] | clever: | but a problem i had was the usb enclosure not responding at all after a reboot(not in lsusb) so i had to powercycle the enclosure itself |
| [20:16:36] | quadtree: | Does EIT come from the broadcasters/stations, or do the cable companies have to add it in? |
| [20:17:46] | iamlindoro: | it's generally inserted by whomever the provider is, so the broadcaster when OTA, or the cable co when from cable |
| [20:18:08] | iamlindoro: | in some (non-US) places, it's fantastic. In the US, though, it's usually pretty dismal |
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| [20:30:26] | sphery: | quadtree: and even where it's fantastic (meaning readily available and providing coverage of a sufficiently-long period to make it useful), the titles/subtitles/descriptions tend to differ across channels and even within channels over time and there's no such thing as standard programid's, so duplicate checking is not very useful compared to the nearly-100% accurate duplicate checking with SD data. |
| [20:31:29] | gbee: | Oz fires are moving fast :/ |
| [20:31:44] | ** justinh throws them some of our snow ** | |
| [20:31:57] | quadtree: | interesting...I guess it's worth what it costs |
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| [20:32:43] | justinh: | thankfully I get all the majority of my EPG data thanks to the unique way it's funded – i.e. sales of the RadioTimes magazine ;) |
| [20:33:08] | justinh: | I wouldn't hesitate to pay for data if I had to though |
| [20:33:42] | justinh: | certainly if it's as little as SD want :) |
| [20:33:47] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Heh, you got called on your icon downloader explanation. See, this is where I would normally respond with wrathful flame. |
| [20:36:02] | mishehu: | and iamlindoro can be very wrathfully flameful if he wants to be |
| [20:36:04] | ** mishehu chuckles ** | |
| [20:36:19] | iamlindoro: | Everyone needs a skill |
| [20:36:27] | justinh: | take it easy, thermo-man |
| [20:37:44] | justinh: | uhhhh, is the new ui based on flash. I wouldn't want to work on it if it was. who are some people half listening to? |
| [20:37:50] | mishehu: | iamlindoro: or a hobby for that matter ;-) |
| [20:38:19] | iamlindoro: | justinh, Respond that you heard the new one is actually written in clutter |
| [20:38:32] | iamlindoro: | justinh, But that we threw it away and now XBMC is the official frontend |
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| [20:38:42] | justinh: | ha. yeah, and I've seen an awesome demo video on youtube |
| [20:39:40] | justinh: | and hey, if it _was_ done in something python-esque I'd still not have figured out the intricacies of what I'd like to do |
| [20:40:30] | mishehu: | I think we should all write the next one in SNASL... that's "shit, not another scripting language" |
| [20:41:42] | justinh: | change it every month, as per the current flavour – whatever gets the most dugg |
| [20:41:45] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o jams | |
| [20:42:05] | iamlindoro: | ruh oh |
| [20:42:09] | mishehu has been kicked from #mythtv-users by jams!n=jams@CPE-65-29-35-68.wi.res.rr.com (you have been warned several times) | |
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| [20:42:11] | iamlindoro: | seeya soon |
| [20:42:18] | justinh: | language Timothy! |
| [20:42:35] | sphery: | iamlindoro: sigh... I suppose they weren't doing the work they were doing. Those jokesters just talked about doing work/breaking it for a time to embarrass me... |
| [20:42:42] | Mode for #mythtv-users by jams!n=jams@CPE-65-29-35-68.wi.res.rr.com : +b *!*i=mishehu@cshells.shavedgoats.net | |
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| [20:42:57] | justinh: | now all we need is ops to take care of people who aren't friendly enough. and then I won't be here too often I guess ;) |
| [20:43:11] | iamlindoro: | justinh, One name rises above the rest |
| [20:43:20] | iamlindoro: | at least you and I will be longer for the world than he |
| [20:43:22] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : -o jams | |
| [20:43:31] | justinh: | possibly |
| [20:43:33] | sphery: | quadtree: I'd actually say SD data is worth /far/ more than it costs... Especially considering it's the exact same data that TiVo customers pay, what, $15+/mo, to get. |
| [20:44:10] | justinh: | sphery: or not get, in they're in the UK |
| [20:44:12] | iamlindoro: | justinh, Then again, if he's still here it makes one wonder what it *does* take sometimes :) |
| [20:44:12] | wagnerrp: | sphery: but... but... tivo tells you what to watch! |
| [20:44:29] | iamlindoro: | with a cute buhDWOOP sound, too |
| [20:45:09] | sphery: | justinh: when you say, "certainly if it's as little as SD want," do you mean after factoring in the exchange rate, 'cause then it's only like 1 pound/yr for you... |
| [20:45:11] | clever: | sphery: ive seen some cableco pvr boxes with 200 hours, for 20$ a month |
| [20:45:31] | justinh: | sphery: lol no, USD to GBP is in your favour these days |
| [20:45:37] | sphery: | really? |
| [20:45:44] | sphery: | wow, guess it is a global economic crisis |
| [20:45:49] | clever: | sphery: i easily have 2.5 times that free on my system, with 40% used |
| [20:45:54] | justinh: | it hasn't been close to $2 per GBP for a while now |
| [20:46:24] | sphery: | clever: yeah, Myth is so much nicer because it's expandable to the level /you/ want... |
| [20:46:32] | sphery: | I'm glad I'm not stuck with the cable co PVR |
| [20:46:32] | clever: | yeah |
| [20:46:45] | clever: | i can just keep adding drives every 2 months if i wanted:P |
| [20:46:51] | iamlindoro: | But I can pay the cable co $40 and they'll let me authorize a USB hard drive!!! |
| [20:46:55] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [20:47:08] | clever: | iamlindoro: just 1? |
| [20:47:11] | justinh: | I drove past one of our fine local technical colleges today & was stuck wondering if they do c++ courses, whether I'd like to sign up next term – based on the fact I remember reading about a kid getting stabbed there last year |
| [20:47:11] | iamlindoro: | yep |
| [20:47:19] | clever: | and can you play the crap in another room with a diff box? |
| [20:47:29] | iamlindoro: | don't be insane |
| [20:47:30] | clever: | or do you have to record your shows in both rooms at once :P |
| [20:47:39] | wagnerrp: | you can with the uverse dvr! |
| [20:47:49] | iamlindoro: | everyone knows the recordings belong on that box and only that box |
| [20:48:05] | iamlindoro: | and under no circumstances should you be allowed to manipulate them in any way |
| [20:48:05] | sphery: | iamlindoro: did you see the discussion of the sound notifications (including TiVo-like FFwd sound) in #mythtv? I completely agree (that it would get tiresome fast) |
| [20:48:17] | iamlindoro: | sphery, I too agree |
| [20:48:26] | jams: | sphery- i didn't see the discussion but i agree it would |
| [20:48:30] | justinh: | ruh? as in bluh bluh bluh bluh when ffwding? |
| [20:48:39] | wagnerrp: | i always liked how they rate DVRs on the number of hours they can record |
| [20:48:41] | jams: | had a series one for a a while, those sounds lasted all of one day |
| [20:48:42] | justinh: | make it a db-only setting. there :) |
| [20:48:57] | wagnerrp: | where mine will store somewhere between 120 and 400 hours depending on WHAT it is recording |
| [20:49:06] | sphery: | justinh: don't risk your life for Myth... There's dedication, then there's taking it too far. |
| [20:49:08] | clever: | 545.1hours can be recorded |
| [20:49:11] | justinh: | I want to play with adding audio feedback one day but if the audio libs get pulled away from mythui, that won't happen |
| [20:49:22] | clever: | (right from the php script i wrote) |
| [20:49:55] | clever: | justinh: you could just throw out a app wide event when those things happen |
| [20:50:06] | clever: | and an optional lib would then detect them and play a sound |
| [20:50:07] | sphery: | I currently have >600hrs (maybe 650, now). At 600hrs, I was using almost exactly 1/2 of my storage. |
| [20:50:10] | justinh: | then I can do cool audio themes, and y'all can guess if they're synthetic or just me going WHOOSH into a microphone :P |
| [20:50:36] | sphery: | and the sad thing is that I watch /and delete/ everything |
| [20:50:40] | sphery: | I'm so far behind |
| [20:50:46] | sphery: | Myth-guilt |
| [20:50:51] | jams: | i image a whole lot more people would try to develop audio themes. |
| [20:50:52] | clever: | i do 'delete' but i have undelete enabled |
| [20:50:58] | clever: | 9.974gig are deleted |
| [20:51:01] | clever: | 63.301gig can auto expire |
| [20:51:14] | justinh: | jams: yeah. it'd be a major free-for-all |
| [20:51:28] | iamlindoro: | I can't decide if the clever with too much space is more insufferable than the clever with plactically no space |
| [20:51:29] | sphery: | jams: yeah, the plan is to still allow audio stuff, but will probably be a while (as it's not really high priority) |
| [20:51:34] | jams: | those would take a lot less dedication |
| [20:51:42] | justinh: | but then, if a theme was just what 10 or 20 PNG files.. would anybody still bother? |
| [20:52:06] | justinh: | jams: nah I think a _good_ audio theme would take shedloads of dedication |
| [20:52:06] | iamlindoro: | I think I've got the theme to about the 66% point |
| [20:52:25] | clever: | try skiping over the 66.6% step |
| [20:52:38] | sphery: | justinh: wasn't that one "add your own images" theme pretty much just that--a few PNG's to throw together? |
| [20:52:40] | iamlindoro: | Probably 5 more UI files, and various popups and screens I'm too lazy to do from the "finished" -ui files |
| [20:52:40] | justinh: | clever: the seektable is messed up :P |
| [20:52:43] | clever: | dont want to wake your inner demon:P |
| [20:52:57] | clever: | justinh: seek table on what? |
| [20:53:03] | justinh: | sphery: myxer.. blech |
| [20:53:12] | wagnerrp: | clever: didnt you know? they read that upside down |
| [20:53:18] | wagnerrp: | the actual number is 999 |
| [20:53:19] | clever: | lol |
| [20:53:29] | sphery: | justinh: nice memory... I was just digging through archives to try to find that name. |
| [20:53:35] | clever: | ive known forever that 666 is related to 999 |
| [20:53:46] | justinh: | sphery: I tried it once. gave it about 10 minutes |
| [20:53:47] | wagnerrp: | 666 is meaningless |
| [20:54:41] | jams: | sphery- if your still diggig around search for dave hofstra |
| [20:54:49] | justinh: | clever: iamlindoro's_theming_ seektable is messed up. he thinks he's 66.6% done, but the end of the recording never comes :P |
| [20:55:00] | iamlindoro: | hehe |
| [20:55:00] | jams: | it was his idea and shell script |
| [20:55:05] | clever: | justinh: ahhh:) |
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| [20:55:32] | iamlindoro: | justinh, The end of the recording is when I don't care to work on it any more and release it and then change e-mail addresses ;) |
| [20:55:41] | justinh: | myxer was a good-ish idea, it just didn't go far enough for me. and the rest is kinda like history |
| [20:56:03] | sphery: | jams: guess you guys are just proving my memory ain't what it used to be. |
| [20:56:58] | justinh: | somebody was having a giraffe. The Wurzels greatest hits |
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| [20:57:02] | jams: | sphery- well I may have had some involement with it. Dave was just learnind shell scripting so he needed some help. |
| [20:57:13] | sphery: | cool |
| [20:57:30] | sphery: | I remember downloading it, but never got to the point of actually trying it. |
| [20:57:45] | justinh: | little did I realise then that even changing a selectbar & a background can completely transform a screen |
| [20:57:49] | jams: | he also did the images for titivillus |
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| [20:58:04] | sphery: | mainly because I know I'm terrible at putting stuff together |
| [20:58:27] | jams: | hehe |
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| [20:58:51] | clever: | Warning at /media/mainlv/sharedbuilds/8.04/mythplugins/mythweb/modules/status/handler.php, line 35: |
| [20:58:54] | clever: | file_get_contents(http://10.0.0.103:6544) [function.file-get-contents]: failed to open stream: HTTP request failed! |
| [20:58:57] | clever: | thats new:S |
| [20:59:29] | justinh: | I should probably report that nasty mythmusic cd ripping crash at some point |
| [20:59:37] | justinh: | give it duh wrong device & ouchy |
| [20:59:49] | justinh: | no 'device not found' or whatever.. he just crash |
| [21:00:16] | clever: | Total Running Time: 2 years 3 days 16 hrs 52 mins |
| [21:00:29] | clever: | i missed the 2 year mark for the life of my db! |
| [21:01:08] | wagnerrp: | were you going to throw a party? |
| [21:01:16] | clever: | just a thought:P |
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| [21:01:20] | wagnerrp: | invite all your closest hardware |
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| [21:01:31] | wagnerrp: | there will be cake! |
| [21:01:35] | justinh: | ruh? only 3 years 1 month 11 days 19 hrs 4 mins here. could've sworn I've had it longer than that |
| [21:01:54] | clever: | Total Recorded: 7 months 19 days 17 hrs 7 mins |
| [21:02:02] | clever: | that has to be counting deleted stuff:S |
| [21:02:10] | justinh: | ah that must've been the time I totally lost the DB & had to restore tables from a backup |
| [21:02:21] | clever: | find it hard to beleive ive got 7 solid months of video content on here |
| [21:02:35] | justinh: | whoah it used to say 'time wasted' :) |
| [21:02:49] | clever: | Percent of time spent recording: 15% |
| [21:03:09] | clever: | im guessing it may read >100% if you have multiple tuners, and record 25+ hours a day |
| [21:03:16] | wagnerrp: | justinh: yeah, its a shame... that was more meaningful |
| [21:03:40] | justinh: | I sometimes miss the random quotes |
| [21:03:48] | clever: | over the past week, ive been recording alot more, Percent of time spent recording: |
| [21:03:52] | clever: | 28% |
| [21:03:58] | justinh: | remember those quotes? |
| [21:04:01] | ** clever kicks firefox ** | |
| [21:04:15] | wagnerrp: | must have been before my time |
| [21:04:45] | justinh: | gonna have to dig in old versions to find them now. can't remember them myself. pfft |
| [21:05:25] | wagnerrp: | i didnt start using myth until early early 2006 |
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| [21:05:44] | wagnerrp: | drop one of the early's |
| [21:05:58] | clever: | First recording: Monday February 5th, 2007 |
| [21:05:58] | clever: | Last recording: Sunday February 8th, 2009 |
| [21:05:59] | wagnerrp: | probably about the same time you last dumped your database |
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| [21:06:05] | ** clever kicks firefox again ** | |
| [21:07:37] | justinh: | it was even before trac I think... |
| [21:07:45] | clever: | lol |
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| [21:10:49] | justinh: | "Anytime you skip a commercial ... you're actually stealing the programming" – Jamie Kellner (then CEO, Turner Broadcasting) |
| [21:11:12] | justinh: | "I say to you that the VCR is to the ... American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone." – Jack Valenti (CEO, MPAA) |
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| [21:11:32] | justinh: | "More education is necessary. One form of education is lawsuits." Jonathan Lamy (Spokesperson, RIAA) |
| [21:12:12] | AndyCap: | another form of education is flogging. |
| [21:12:58] | wagnerrp: | stoning is preferred |
| [21:13:12] | wagnerrp: | 'watch closely children, this is what happens when you behave like a tool' |
| [21:13:38] | Dibblah: | Hmmm. Someone is promoting a Myka as a possible "myth HD FE". |
| [21:13:56] | Dibblah: | And the sales brochure for it leads with "And BitTorrent, with its content from major studios already available, is only the beginning for little Myka." |
| [21:14:01] | Dibblah: | And such drivel. |
| [21:14:36] | justinh: | yeah, it's like buying a portable HDD. never buy any media again, just as long as your friends keep buying anyway |
| [21:14:36] | AndyCap: | Ah, now we're talking: In English admiralty law, piracy was defined as petit treason during the medieval period, and offenders were accordingly liable to be drawn and quartered |
| [21:15:21] | AndyCap: | On a related note, mythvideo (in some version) was reviewed in LJ |
| [21:15:26] | clever: | AndyCap: use ethernet cables to draw them now:P |
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| [21:15:34] | wagnerrp: | theres an idea, make them watch as someone walks off with their legs |
| [21:16:58] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: then he's really on his last legs. |
| [21:17:09] | wagnerrp: | their hardware details lists a 'CableCARD' connection |
| [21:17:36] | AndyCap: | hmm, the new CAM standard sounds none to promising either |
| [21:17:37] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if thats just the stock broadcom image |
| [21:19:43] | AndyCap: | http://www.ci-plus.com/ bye bye cam support |
| [21:19:45] | wagnerrp: | so all the backend logic runs on the Myka servers? that cant be right can it? |
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| [21:20:36] | AndyCap: | Hahahah "There is nothing to prevent digital recorders (Hard Disc, or DVD or Blu-ray) implementing CI+, but it is up to operators to decide what content can be recorded." |
| [21:21:14] | wagnerrp: | wouldnt that be up to the device, rather? |
| [21:21:29] | justinh: | nope |
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| [21:21:37] | wagnerrp: | much like the US's ill fated broadcast flag |
| [21:21:40] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: yeah. it is, as long as you get a license. |
| [21:21:52] | AndyCap: | no license, no encryption keys, no talking to the CAM |
| [21:21:57] | AndyCap: | http://www.ci-plus.com/index.php?page=faq_tech |
| [21:22:30] | wagnerrp: | so the video stream coming out of the card is now encrypted? |
| [21:22:40] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: not now. in the future |
| [21:22:43] | wagnerrp: | or is it more some sort of handshaking like firewire |
| [21:23:08] | justinh: | probably more like HDCP |
| [21:23:11] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: somewhat like hdcp |
| [21:23:42] | wagnerrp: | right, the stream wont even be sent if the next device in the chain fails the handshake |
| [21:23:51] | wagnerrp: | or software, in this case |
| [21:23:52] | AndyCap: | Ah, I see the certauth is in surrey |
| [21:24:02] | Dibblah: | They are using a funky chipset, though. http://www.broadcom.com/collateral/pb/7403-PB02-R.pdf |
| [21:24:06] | AndyCap: | hmm, now hamburg |
| [21:24:38] | justinh: | Dibblah: same as Sky use for their HD box I think |
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| [21:30:28] | sphery: | jams: got a phonecall which prevented me from finishing up with, "I'm the kind of guy who needs Garanimals to figure out what to wear since I don't know what looks good together." |
| [21:30:45] | sphery: | thus, Myxer wasn't really my cup of tea |
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| [21:31:14] | jams: | hehe nice. |
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| [21:31:56] | SpaceBass: | hey folks |
| [21:32:36] | SpaceBass: | My current turner has a flaw – it gets every channel in my area except ABC.. |
| [21:32:49] | SpaceBass: | anyone have a suggestion for the cheapest HD tuner for Myth – just need it for one channel |
| [21:32:59] | wagnerrp: | too low a signal on that channel? |
| [21:33:20] | SpaceBass: | wagnerrp, nope, if anything we thought it was over powered, but attenuators didn't help |
| [21:33:35] | wagnerrp: | i would say wait until the 17th, when they flip digital over to the higher powered transmitter |
| [21:33:36] | SpaceBass: | its clearly something in the design of the tuner that does not agree with the feed from UFH 22 here |
| [21:33:46] | SpaceBass: | they are already on their digital setup |
| [21:33:47] | wagnerrp: | but thankfully, now we have no idea when that is going to happen |
| [21:34:11] | SpaceBass: | thats the other thing |
| [21:34:25] | SpaceBass: | I cannot fathom why they are still talking about it |
| [21:34:47] | SpaceBass: | regardless, I'll sell a kidney to get Lost, but if there is a cheap tuner solution Id rather try it first |
| [21:35:04] | sphery: | yeah, they said, "Delay the digital conversion process," but they mean, "Confuse the digital conversion process." |
| [21:35:26] | wagnerrp: | well my 1250 was $50, and seems to work well |
| [21:35:31] | wagnerrp: | alternatively, do you have cable? |
| [21:35:32] | sphery: | if some stations drop their analog broadcasts and others don't... |
| [21:36:27] | wagnerrp: | if you have cable, just plug your tuner into the cable line |
| [21:36:30] | wagnerrp: | run QAM |
| [21:36:41] | wagnerrp: | if nothing else, you should at least get the local broadcast channels |
| [21:36:41] | SpaceBass: | dont have cable |
| [21:36:48] | wagnerrp: | ah, nevermind then |
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| [21:37:04] | SpaceBass: | 1250? which manufacturer? |
| [21:37:11] | wagnerrp: | hauppaugh, pcie |
| [21:37:17] | SpaceBass: | thanks |
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| [21:40:15] | wagnerrp: | $50 seems to be the lowpoint for retail digital tuners (not including sales and refurbs) |
| [21:40:23] | SpaceBass: | $50 is very reasonable |
| [21:40:36] | SpaceBass: | the PCHDTV 5500 card is $120 |
| [21:40:49] | jamesd: | i really like my kworld 115's |
| [21:41:06] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: are they low featured enough to qualify for a coupon? |
| [21:41:53] | SpaceBass: | now that would be cool |
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| [21:42:27] | iamlindoro: | You can't apply the coupons to capture cards |
| [21:42:44] | AndyCap: | iamlindoro: nah, I was thinking of the $50 box |
| [21:42:53] | AndyCap: | anyhow, I found a list. |
| [21:42:56] | iamlindoro: | They're for specified digital->analog converter boxes only |
| [21:43:21] | iamlindoro: | AndyCap, So what does that have to do with what wagnerrp was talking about? (PC digital capture cards) |
| [21:44:01] | AndyCap: | iamlindoro: just that I misunderstood retail tuner. :) |
| [21:44:09] | wagnerrp: | AndyCap: the DTV coupons are only for ATSC to composite/svideo converters |
| [21:44:09] | iamlindoro: | ah, ok, I see |
| [21:45:32] | justinh: | people selling kidneys to see Lost? pff. I'd sell my kidneys to avoid ever seeing it again :P |
| [21:45:58] | justinh: | </flamebait> |
| [21:45:58] | wagnerrp: | personally, i like the people shilling out 800i's... "oh you can frequently pick them up for $20 on refurb" |
| [21:46:00] | AndyCap: | justinh: sure. I'll take your kidney, and your corneas. :P |
| [21:46:11] | SpaceBass: | lol |
| [21:46:21] | wagnerrp: | that always bothered me, if its a good card, why are there so many refurbs |
| [21:46:25] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, That's always from the same douchebag, so... |
| [21:46:40] | iamlindoro: | I'd pay good money not to have to hear from him again |
| [21:46:45] | iamlindoro: | maybe we could take up a collection |
| [21:46:46] | wagnerrp: | refurbs tend to indicate the card breaking, and getting sent back to the manufacturer |
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| [21:47:39] | jamesd: | or cards that were too difficult to setup properly and being returned as defective when they weren't |
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| [21:48:48] | wagnerrp: | well difficulty of setup is pretty meaningless to mythtv |
| [21:49:01] | wagnerrp: | considering that difficulty probably pertains to windows users |
| [21:49:26] | jamesd: | wagnerrp, yeap and do you think mythtv is more than 5% of sales any digital tuner card? |
| [21:49:45] | wagnerrp: | the PcHDTVs, i would say so |
| [21:50:48] | wagnerrp: | considering the lack of windows drivers |
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| [21:51:56] | wagnerrp: | ah, seems they do have windows drivers, i just cant find a download for it |
| [21:53:10] | wagnerrp: | i would imagine mythtv users are a fair number of HDPVR users, but thats neither a tuner, nor a card |
| [21:53:11] | jamesd: | it stupid how hard it is to download windows drivers for most hardware... loosing the cdrom that comes with it seems like a death sentence for many cards. |
| [21:53:23] | wagnerrp: | or even digital for that matter |
| [21:54:00] | AndyCap: | jamesd: a sign of buying quality hardware. :P |
| [21:54:23] | clever: | jamesd: i remember with my framegrabber card, i had to go thru a shitload of work to find win xp compabitle drivers |
| [21:54:29] | clever: | the cd only worked for 98 |
| [21:54:48] | clever: | though i had no idea it was a bttv type card at the time, so i probly wasnt even searching for the right keywords |
| [21:54:49] | justinh: | I can still remember when my ATI AIW used to hard-lock my machine :) |
| [21:55:04] | clever: | after i formated, it was imposible to find the windows drivers again |
| [21:55:06] | wagnerrp: | i dont even know if i could find drivers for the framegrabber in my laptop |
| [21:55:25] | wagnerrp: | i should have the install disks still, but they were for win2k |
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| [21:55:29] | clever: | the drivers where also crappy |
| [21:55:35] | clever: | it was just a bare capture device |
| [21:55:40] | justinh: | good ole v4w |
| [21:55:48] | justinh: | how I miss it so. pfff |
| [21:55:51] | clever: | i had to use a preview program from the scanner to view it:P |
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| [21:56:02] | clever: | why does a scanner app even come with a video preview app?! |
| [21:56:10] | justinh: | clever: did you ever try turning it off, and then back on again? |
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| [21:56:19] | justinh: | worked for me, sometimes |
| [21:56:33] | clever: | dont see how that would fix my drivers:P |
| [21:56:37] | wagnerrp: | clever: my webcam shows up as a TWAIN source in windows |
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| [21:56:57] | clever: | i think the framegrabber was functioning as a webcam like device |
| [21:57:04] | clever: | i could use it in windows movie maker or msn |
| [21:57:54] | quaa: | hey i have a problem, just installed my system using weekly builds and now when trying to run mythtv-setup it crashes before i get a menu displaying anything |
| [21:58:01] | quaa: | logs look good i believe |
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| [21:58:16] | clever: | i think i recorded one or 2 shows with windows movie maker, but damn did it ever take forever when i hit finish |
| [21:58:23] | quaa: | join #ubuntu-mythtv |
| [21:58:27] | clever: | it must have transcoded the rtjpeg style file to something better |
| [21:58:29] | quaa: | .join #ubuntu-mythtv |
| [21:58:34] | wagnerrp: | quaa: mythtv doesnt have weekly builds |
| [21:58:34] | clever: | without a progress dialog |
| [21:58:51] | wagnerrp: | actually, mythtv doesnt have builds at all |
| [21:59:22] | quaa: | im using http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds |
| [21:59:30] | quaa: | using trunk |
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| [22:00:39] | quaa: | just installed the system |
| [22:00:52] | quaa: | no problems installing and then updated everything. |
| [22:00:54] | wagnerrp: | something that automatically and indiscriminately makes a weekly build of a developmental version, sounds like trouble brewing |
| [22:01:44] | quaa: | its a repo set up for mythbuntu that you can use |
| [22:03:05] | quaa: | = |
| [22:03:10] | wagnerrp: | im saying trunk can, and does, fail to run from revision to revision |
| [22:03:34] | wagnerrp: | if theres no one manually choosing what revision to build, thats a bad thing |
| [22:03:43] | iamlindoro: | Your instinct is correct, it's up to the ubuntu folks to troubleshoot that if they're going to make trunk packages available |
| [22:03:51] | iamlindoro: | it's "/join #ubuntu-mythtv" |
| [22:05:49] | quaa: | hmm i opened up the frontend and picked g.i.a.n.t. as my theme |
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| [22:05:53] | quaa: | and it is working so far |
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| [22:07:08] | wagnerrp: | sounds like you were using a theme that hadnt been updated to match some changes in mythui |
| [22:07:20] | wagnerrp: | or it had been updated, and you dont have the updated version |
| [22:10:56] | gbee: | http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitaltv/a145701 . . . 0-years.html |
| [22:11:07] | gbee: | heh |
| [22:11:16] | quaa: | has to be something with the themes |
| [22:11:22] | quaa: | which i dont get but oh well |
| [22:11:31] | quaa: | if i have to live with GIANT i will live with GIANT =/ |
| [22:11:40] | wagnerrp: | trunk is undergoing a MAJOR ui overhaul |
| [22:11:51] | wagnerrp: | it has been for several months, and will be for several months to come |
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| [22:12:23] | iamlindoro: | plus, there's not theme called GIANT |
| [22:12:26] | iamlindoro: | er no theme |
| [22:12:31] | wagnerrp: | themes that arent updated to work within the new ui will... not work |
| [22:12:59] | wagnerrp: | and only the core themes are being maintained |
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| [22:17:25] | gbee: | several month to go? aww man :( |
| [22:18:00] | wagnerrp: | you said you have plans for stuff that wont go in until 0.23 |
| [22:18:11] | wagnerrp: | thats probably a good year away |
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| [22:27:52] | quaa: | not giant, isnt it G.I.A.N.T.? |
| [22:28:14] | quaa: | oh sorry |
| [22:28:15] | wagnerrp: | its 'G.A.N.T.' |
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| [22:28:15] | quaa: | G.A.N.T |
| [22:28:22] | quaa: | just realized |
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| [22:36:46] | aliby: | Does anyone know how to reduce/fix choppy video playback in Mythtv (dual frontend/backend setup) |
| [22:37:46] | gbee: | feed the hamster |
| [22:38:02] | aliby: | :p |
| [22:38:59] | Dagmar: | Free up more bandwidth |
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| [22:39:21] | iamlindoro: | MOAR EVERYTHING |
| [22:40:56] | iamlindoro: | where everything = CPU, GPU, RAM, Network bandwidth, hamster food, and a larger wheel for him to run in |
| [22:40:58] | aliby: | Dagmar its a frontend and backend running on the same machine |
| [22:41:05] | aliby: | therefore not streaming, its coming from disk |
| [22:41:19] | Dagmar: | Then throw money at the problem. |
| [22:41:34] | Dagmar: | Your machine is clearly underpowered for the configuration you've created. |
| [22:41:48] | wagnerrp: | god, that was a fantastic IBM ad... |
| [22:41:48] | aliby: | I doubt it... its a 2.8ghz machine with 4gb ram |
| [22:42:04] | Dagmar: | Ah then you don't have a problem anymore. Glad we could be of help. |
| [22:42:07] | aliby: | ... |
| [22:42:22] | iamlindoro: | aliby, the first thing I'd suggest is (if you haven't done so already) switching your playback profile to Slim and trying again |
| [22:42:23] | Dagmar: | But, at least you've started giving us some details about what you're doing beyond "it doesn't work" |
| [22:42:43] | aliby: | I get a videoutputxverror: your system is not capable of displaying the full framerate at 1776x1000. And even when I reduce the screen size to a lower resollution the problem still happens |
| [22:42:48] | aliby: | iamlindoro thanks, I'll try that |
| [22:42:51] | Dagmar: | If you're trying to play some 1080 content and it's bogging down, your reaction should not be one of suprise. |
| [22:43:02] | aliby: | Dagmar no I am not trying to play HD content |
| [22:43:21] | Dagmar: | 1776x1000... |
| [22:43:32] | iamlindoro: | aliby, Also, depending on your GPU, you will likely want the closed-source drivers for them installed |
| [22:43:42] | aliby: | iamlindoro: Radeon 9600 Pro |
| [22:43:44] | aliby: | ATI card |
| [22:43:50] | Dagmar: | My original answer stands. Misconfiguration is still the same thing |
| [22:43:55] | iamlindoro: | so if you have an nvidia or ATI GPU and don't have their proprietary drivers installed, you are likely to have a problem |
| [22:43:56] | Dagmar: | Fix your ATI driver. |
| [22:44:13] | wagnerrp: | a 9600 pro... so this '2.8 GHz processor' is a P4? |
| [22:44:20] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: Actually he should be able to play SD content with that CPU and no hardware accel at al |
| [22:44:23] | aliby: | Dagmar: how so? |
| [22:44:45] | wagnerrp: | aliby: the ATI linux drivers have been broken since they started making graphics cards |
| [22:44:47] | Dagmar: | aliby: How so? Do you HAVE a 1776x1000 screen? |
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| [22:45:12] | aliby: | Dagmar: Yes a 1080p hdtv is connected to my video card via a DVI to HDMI cable |
| [22:45:18] | wagnerrp: | you must get Xv running to play back video properly |
| [22:45:30] | aliby: | alright |
| [22:45:30] | wagnerrp: | and that is something which is hit-or-miss with ATI cards |
| [22:45:34] | Dagmar: | So you chose a vertical resolution of 1000? |
| [22:45:45] | Dagmar: | I'm sorry, there's literally no way in hell that's the right number. |
| [22:45:58] | wagnerrp: | Dagmar: probably the mythtv screen wizard |
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| [22:46:07] | wagnerrp: | to compensate for overscan |
| [22:46:12] | wagnerrp: | apparently a lot of overscan |
| [22:46:27] | Dagmar: | Apparently a lot of rescaling distortion |
| [22:46:55] | wagnerrp: | no, thats about right |
| [22:46:57] | aliby: | Dagmar it's due to the fact that at true 1920x1080 the top and bottom of my screen get chopped off |
| [22:47:02] | wagnerrp: | still 16:9 |
| [22:47:07] | mzb_xps_: | for debug, it would pay to reset the scaling to 0 |
| [22:47:39] | mzb_xps_: | does playback improve without scaling? |
| [22:47:41] | Dagmar: | I suppose that's what you get for buying ATI then |
| [22:47:58] | aliby: | I just tried playing some other videos on my regular LCD screen and they are choppy as well |
| [22:48:04] | Dagmar: | You should alwasys have the video output set to the native resolution of the display |
| [22:48:05] | aliby: | so it's not just a mythtv problem |
| [22:48:14] | Dagmar: | Any solution that doesn't involve that is something I'm not getting involved in. |
| [22:48:24] | wagnerrp: | aliby: do you have mplayer installed? |
| [22:48:28] | aliby: | wagnerrp: Yes |
| [22:48:38] | wagnerrp: | play something with '-vo xv' |
| [22:48:48] | wagnerrp: | see if it blurts something about Xv not being available |
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| [22:49:02] | wagnerrp: | thats probably your problem |
| [22:49:14] | wagnerrp: | and buying a new video card is probably your solution |
| [22:49:18] | Dagmar: | If it's like 3/4 of the new installs with ATI video, it'll complain because the driver didn't install properly. |
| [22:49:33] | mzb_xps_: | aliby: with most issues there is no such thing as a single fault, so it's impossible to say that it's a "mythtv problem" or an "ATI problem" and be 100% correct. |
| [22:49:36] | wagnerrp: | you can try dicking around with the graphics driver some more |
| [22:49:40] | aliby: | I am using the open source driver as well |
| [22:49:44] | Dagmar: | It's possible there's multiple problems |
| [22:49:45] | aliby: | (latest from ATI's site) |
| [22:49:54] | mzb_xps_: | open source? |
| [22:50:04] | Dagmar: | Oh the one ATI couldn't get working properly on their own |
| [22:50:19] | aliby: | sure, that one |
| [22:50:21] | mzb_xps_: | heh |
| [22:50:33] | mzb_xps_: | use whatever works |
| [22:50:56] | aliby: | I mean I can attempt to go back and do this using the restricted driver if that may be one of the possible issues |
| [22:50:57] | Dagmar: | That would mean "not ATI's open-source driver" in most cases from what I've heard |
| [22:51:16] | mzb_xps_: | agreed |
| [22:51:49] | aliby: | wagnerrp: I did get an issue saying it seems there is no xvideo support for your video card available |
| [22:51:50] | Dagmar: | aliby: Honestly you want to Google for the name of your video card and "Linux" and possibly "MythTV" as well, and use whatever driver the first few *success* reports you find are using |
| [22:52:02] | aliby: | alrighty, thanks Dagmar I'll try that |
| [22:52:07] | Dagmar: | Adding "howto" to the list of search terms couldn't hurt either |
| [22:52:30] | aliby: | You'd be surprised, but I've done a lot of googling on this problem |
| [22:52:36] | Dagmar: | Oh I know you must have |
| [22:52:50] | Dagmar: | It took me six hours to get the damn ATI driver working properly on the older Dell laptop I have |
| [22:52:53] | aliby: | Heh |
| [22:52:59] | Dagmar: | I *still* don't know why it suddenly decided to work on the third attempt |
| [22:53:06] | aliby: | It took me a hell of a lot longer to get my dual-screen setup working |
| [22:53:24] | wagnerrp: | if you cant use Xv (or XvMC or VDPAU), you fall back to direct X11 mapping |
| [22:53:25] | Dagmar: | ...and I've got like 15+ years experience at this |
| [22:53:35] | wagnerrp: | and it takes a hell of a lot of power to do video scaling in software |
| [22:53:45] | wagnerrp: | your P4 just isnt cut out for the job |
| [22:53:49] | aliby: | Hmmm |
| [22:54:10] | Dagmar: | Worst-case scenario would be telling the video card to output 640x480 and let the TV do the scaling |
| [22:54:14] | aliby: | ya |
| [22:54:37] | aliby: | I'm gonna try with the proprietary drivers (ubuntu tested) |
| [22:54:38] | Dagmar: | Since your'e doing SD video anyway, it would mean not having to rescale the video in the computer and then having the TV rescale (double the degradation) |
| [22:54:41] | aliby: | and see if that helps at all |
| [22:54:58] | Dagmar: | Ubuntu's drivers seem to have sacrificed the proper number of sheep |
| [22:55:01] | aliby: | lol |
| [22:55:23] | quaa: | got different problems now. Ran the backend setup and setup my pvr-150, now the things that dont work are themes (only ones that i tried that works is G.A.N.T. and blue |
| [22:55:30] | quaa: | and when trying to "Watch TV" the frontend crashes |
| [22:55:39] | wagnerrp: | and one of the dev's first borns |
| [22:55:47] | quaa: | What i did was install mythbuntu 8.10 AMD64 from alternate cd (must use for my softraid) and updated everything, then did dist-upgrade, then installed the nvidia-180-glx / modaliases from https://launchpad.net/~anders-kaseorg/+archive/ppa |
| [22:56:06] | iamlindoro: | quaa, Seriously, if you are using myth trunk packages, then you need to get your support from the providers of those packages |
| [22:56:07] | quaa: | Then i added the trunk repo from http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds and updated again then dist-upgrade again, everything is up to date now. |
| [22:56:10] | Dagmar: | So, you'll want to talk to the people in #mythtv-ubuntu or #ubuntu-mythtv |
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| [22:56:22] | Dagmar: | OR JUST DOWNLOAD MYTHBUNTU AND USE IT |
| [22:56:41] | quaa: | logs are @ http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/f1bcfcc27 |
| [22:56:43] | Dagmar: | Same as what was said about this last night. |
| [22:56:52] | Dagmar: | Their pakcages are their problem. |
| [22:57:00] | quaa: | well that is this for then? |
| [22:57:14] | Dagmar: | Problems/discussions about MythTV. |
| [22:57:20] | Dagmar: | I have an idea. |
| [22:57:41] | Dagmar: | I'll ask you detailed questions about the fluid dynamics of firing watermelons through cumulonimbus clouds |
| [22:57:53] | aliby: | Dagmar easy, just buy a really powerful cannon |
| [22:57:58] | iamlindoro: | quaa, We don't routinely offer support for non-packaged trunk in here for anyone |
| [22:58:00] | Dagmar: | ...although you're neither a meterologist, nor a farmer. |
| [22:58:12] | Dagmar: | We've no idea what they did inside those packages. |
| [22:58:25] | iamlindoro: | quaa, So if you are going to run trunk but not follow the appropriate lists, and not even compile it yourself, we can not and will not help with that |
| [22:58:29] | Dagmar: | We know what these things do when they're installed correctly from source by people who are familiar with building from source. |
| [22:58:40] | wagnerrp: | id be very impressed by a farmer that managed to launch a watermellon several thousand fee up |
| [22:58:42] | quaa: | so there is no possible way anyone could look at the logs because i am thinking everything looks ok =/ |
| [22:58:58] | iamlindoro: | correct, we will not look, *seek help from your packager* |
| [22:59:06] | iamlindoro: | #ubuntu-mythtv |
| [22:59:14] | Dagmar: | See, there's another wya to guarantee we can't do anything for you... by saying you can't possibly come up with useful debug output. |
| [22:59:21] | Dagmar: | The people who made your packages SHOULD know what's going on with them. |
| [22:59:25] | Dagmar: | Otherwise, stop using their packages. |
| [22:59:33] | aliby: | quaa: 2009-02–08 16:03:15.138 MythBackend, Error: No valid capture cards are defined in the database. |
| [22:59:33] | aliby: | Perhaps you should re-read the installation instructions? |
| [22:59:43] | Dagmar: | Reading comprehension problem. |
| [23:00:23] | wagnerrp: | aliby: a powerful cannon would just spray water and seeds over the nearby area |
| [23:00:25] | aliby: | And: |
| [23:00:25] | aliby: | 2009-02–08 16:35:07.474 Unable to load window 'mainmenu' from menu-ui.xml |
| [23:00:25] | aliby: | 2009-02–08 16:35:07.474 Couldn't find mainmenu.xml for theme 'syth-lacquer-wide' |
| [23:00:25] | aliby: | 2009-02–08 16:35:07.474 Overridding broken theme 'syth-lacquer-wide' with 'blue' |
| [23:00:33] | aliby: | I'd suggest rereading the logs to see what other errors you find |
| [23:00:43] | wagnerrp: | you need something that would slowly accelerate the watermellon to ~400mph |
| [23:00:50] | Dagmar: | Or talk to the packagers about whatever the heck what you did has resulted in |
| [23:01:04] | mzb_xps_: | big rubber band? |
| [23:01:04] | Dagmar: | I'm thinking there's a mismatched set of packages in there, in addition to the thing not being correctly configured. |
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| [23:01:18] | wagnerrp: | a very big rubber band |
| [23:01:19] | laga: | aliby: we're appreciate a bug report in launchpad |
| [23:01:54] | aliby: | laga: That wasn't my problem, it's quaa's. I was just posting those because he said his logs "looked ok" |
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| [23:02:45] | mzb_xps_: | wagnerrp: or even a EE-cup bra? ;) ... attached to a big rubber band ;))) |
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| [23:02:55] | Dagmar: | For only a small subset of the themes to work would indicate the wrong themes have been installed. |
| [23:03:37] | mzb_xps_: | "First watermelon in space" ... gee, just imagine ;) |
| [23:03:50] | quaa: | aliby: well i tried to load that theme and it wouldnt work so i removed it and reloaded GANT, and the capture cards wernt defined then, i just added them in the backend setup |
| [23:04:09] | Dagmar: | So, the logs don't even correctly represent the current state of the problem. |
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| [23:04:14] | Dagmar: | Beautiful. |
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| [23:04:30] | quaa: | yes they do! they are the most up to date logs. |
| [23:04:55] | Dagmar: | So the logs are still saying no capture cards have been defined, even though you've actually defined capture cards. |
| [23:05:00] | iamlindoro: | quaa, Can you *please* follow up your issue in #ubuntu-mythtv? |
| [23:05:17] | Dagmar: | You're in way, way, way over your head. |
| [23:05:21] | Dagmar: | Start with MythBuntu. |
| [23:05:24] | iamlindoro: | quaa, It's not appropriate to ask for help with trunk packages in this channel, the people most equipped to help you are in your distro's myth channel |
| [23:05:25] | Dagmar: | For your own sake. |
| [23:05:43] | Dagmar: | -trunk isn't for end users |
| [23:06:46] | quaa: | Dagmar: the i defined the capture card right after that. and imlindoro: i have asked but that channel is dead! |
| [23:07:09] | iamlindoro: | quaa, It doesn't make it *any more appropriate* to ask for that help here. |
| [23:07:27] | iamlindoro: | so if you are going to run someone's packaged trunk, you're going to need to be patient in their channel |
| [23:07:36] | Dagmar: | So, a decided lack of support might be another hint that using those packages won't help you |
| [23:07:40] | Dagmar: | Download and install MythBuntu. |
| [23:07:40] | iamlindoro: | and I'm sure someone will eventually help you there |
| [23:07:47] | Dagmar: | Leave trunk alone until you have half a clue. |
| [23:07:58] | quaa: | Dagmar: the reason i am using the trunk is because i initally had myth up and running but i had a problem with deinterlacing HD video in the guide making the guide unresponsive |
| [23:08:16] | Dagmar: | Oh and so you've identified a bugfix that was applied to trunk for this problem? |
| [23:08:21] | Dagmar: | This SPECIFIC problem? |
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| [23:08:48] | quaa: | i did find a bugfix that was applied to trunk |
| [23:08:56] | Dagmar: | You're evading the question, again. |
| [23:08:57] | Dagmar: | I'm done. |
| [23:09:37] | quaa: | =/ |
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| [23:11:20] | quaa: | video from the capture card works in VLC but not in mythfrontend |
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| [23:13:42] | aliby: | quaa you probably set it up wrong... and as everyone has said you should probably be asking in #ubuntu-mythtv |
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| [23:15:01] | quaa: | oh well. I understand why you guys dont want questions for mythbuntu asked here and i realize i am not listing to you guys saying go to ubuntu-mythtv so i am sorry about that but i was just seeing if anyone could give me a jump start or a little bit of help in here because the ubuntu channel is always dead! oh well. thanks for your time i guess. |
| [23:16:17] | quaa: | aliby: i believe i have set it up right as i have set up this system numerous times before and every other time it has worked, this isnt my first time instaling mythtv, i am somewhat familiar with it |
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| [23:23:51] | p1mrx: | so, I just did a fresh install of mythtv on Gentoo, and mythfrontend starts up, says "prescaling theme images...", and when it's done, I just get a blank screen |
| [23:23:59] | p1mrx: | I mean, it shows the background image for the theme, and nothing else |
| [23:24:16] | p1mrx: | any ideas? |
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| [23:26:12] | unimaginative: | will the myth 0.21 executables run in 64 bit environment? |
| [23:26:24] | justinh: | missing msttcorefonts? broken opengl? |
| [23:26:24] | sloof3: | Should I be having trouble tuning QAM channels with the HVR 1250 in 0.21? |
| [23:26:56] | sloof3: | I haven't done compiled new drivers this is just stock Mythbuntu 8.10 |
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| [23:28:51] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Just wrote a response to JYA, have a feeling I'll get some whiny nonsense in reponse shortly |
| [23:30:08] | p1mrx: | justinh: installing mesa-progs (which includes glxgears) seemed to fix it |
| [23:30:42] | p1mrx: | that also pulled in glut |
| [23:31:23] | Dagmar: | You're missing the msttcorefonts. |
| [23:31:44] | Dagmar: | That causes blank menu screens multiple times a week for people |
| [23:32:03] | p1mrx: | Dagmar: well, everything works now after installing mesa-progs |
| [23:32:16] | Dagmar: | Well, let's hope it's not using Mesa for OpenGL. |
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| [23:35:09] | aliby: | sigh i hate the fscking ati drivers |
| [23:35:18] | ** aliby shouldnt have fixed what wasnt realy broken... ** | |
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| [23:43:20] | gbee: | upgrading when you don't need to is never a good idea, but we can't help ourselves, we must have the latest and greatest (even when it turns out the latest isn't the greatest) |
| [23:44:10] | aliby: | gbee it was the other way around, i downgraded :p |
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| [23:55:26] | gbee: | yeah, well, that's an even worse idea ;) |
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