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Saturday, February 7th, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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sphery:

iamlindoro and/or justinh : as themers, do you know where the <action> names are defined in the code? I.e. if trying to track down the source of "Unknown menu action: TV_WATCH_RECORDING", any ideas where to look?

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justinh:

hrm.

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justinh:

I've bumped into it a few times

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illus:

hello

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sphery:

Hmmm... It's hard to grep for the thing that's supposed to exist when all you know is what's not supposed to exist. :)

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sphery:

maybe if I try a different action

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iamlindoro:

sphery, not off the top of my head, sorry

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illus:

i am a fairly new linux convert, and after learning that my current tv tuner (ati tv wonder 650 pci) is not compatible with linux...i am in the market for a new tv tuner...preferably an HDTV tuner...I have a couple of them that i've narrowed down to on the supported cards list in the mythtv wiki...however i thought i'd come on here and see if i could get some input and perhaps some suggestions/recommendations?

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justinh:

xmlparse.cpp IIRC

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Dagmar:

*sigh*

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Dagmar:

Where do you live and what are you trying to record kind of matters.

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sphery:

looks like ./programs/mythfrontend/main.cpp (but they're all lower in there :)

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justinh:

sphery: myththemedmenu.cpp ?

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justinh:

sphery: they're not case dependent AFAIK

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illus:

i live in southern california, and i'm trying to record digital cable (analog) and free over the air HD channels that my provider gives

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illus:

not using a set top box

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sphery:

justinh: Thanks... I think I found it. Just needed to explain why it's hard to find so I could think of a way to find it. :)

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justinh:

sphery: so what/where is it?

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justinh:

ahh. now I know

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illus:

i should also state that PCI is the preferred input because i just don't think I have enough room for another PCIe device because of my current graphic card which is very bulky

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sphery:

Yeah... It's programs/mythfrontend/main.cpp

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justinh:

sphery: I remember pulling out more defs for buttontypes.txt ages ago but couldn't remember where from

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justinh:

and indeed I even put a new type in there. heh

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justinh:

whatever it was that I called it. sooooooooo long ago now

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justinh:

so has it been renamed or something?

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sphery:

No... It's the only one that's processed with a left() function call: sel.left(18) == "tv_watch_recording"

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sphery:

guess there's something up with that.

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justinh:

ahh

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justinh:

ooo. didn't know we had USR2

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justinh:

I should read the source out of curiosity rather than necessity more often

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sphery:

Yeah, kind of a hack...

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sphery:

I think the LIRC reconnect should be done by the LIRC code when required, but whatever.

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justinh:

I _really_ wanna do much more. way more

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justinh:

blimmin anykey_ & that damn patch of his, giving me ideas above my station.. heh

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sphery:

I now remember why I hate doing frontend /code/ patches... I hate having to start/restart the backend /and/ the frontend to test a change.

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justinh:

heh. I've been finding that my backend has stayed running during all my make installs the last few days

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justinh:

strangely even the frontend did a few times

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justinh:

sphery: I think it might be fair to say I'm starting to cross the line from the dark side now :)

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sphery:

Yeah... It used to not because of mmapped files, but somehow that must have been changed

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justinh:

be afraid :D

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sphery:

You're definitely not /just/ a themer, now! It's too bad we don't have more themers who are also devs. Those skills are /very/ useful together.

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justinh:

nah I don't see myself as worthy of being called a dev yet

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sphery:

(I, personally, and even more lacking in theming/artistic skills than in coding skills.)

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justinh:

I muck about with stuff

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sphery:

s/and/am/

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justinh:

maybe when I've done a few more things of note

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sphery:

You're doing development, so you're a dev.

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justinh:

lol

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illus:

so would anyone be able to help me out? :)

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justinh:

ok then. rookie

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justinh:

me == rookie :)

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justinh:

illus: you said you want to record digital cable (analogue). what on Earth did that mean?

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justinh:

it's either digital or it's analogue cable

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illus:

ah that came out incorrectly

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illus:

i meant to say i want to record digital non hd cable

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justinh:

without a set top box

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illus:

as well as hd cable

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illus:

yes

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justinh:

no doubt including channels you pay for

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illus:

yes sir

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justinh:

in which case, you are screwed without a set top box

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justinh:

utterly screwed

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illus:

why is that

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mchou:

illus: those brits talking out of their ass

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justinh:

because the pay tv channels from your provider will be encrypted, and you need their STB with a viewing card (which is part of the decoding process) to decrypt it

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illus:

they aren't considered pay tv

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illus:

they are free over the air hd channels

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mchou:

illus: it all depends on where you live

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justinh:

you said channels you pay for. I saw you say it

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sphery:

illus: you'll only get the unencrypted channels, which are likely /only/ the ones that are broadcast over-the-air

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sphery:

illus: to do that, you just need a QAM-capable digital TV capture card

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illus:

justinh: you did yes, but where i come from, basic cable tv is not free so i technically pay for it yes

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illus:

:o

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sphery:

that's supported in GNU/Linux and Myth, of course

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illus:

sphery: ok that makes sense

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sphery:

but as justinh is saying, you're not likely to see many channels that way

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illus:

mchou: i live in united states, southern california btw

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mchou:

illus: depending on where you live premium channels may or may not be encrypted. You could get lucky, but dont depend on it

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justinh:

and mchou I've had just about enough of your BS in here, sitting there waiting for your moment to 'correct' people. I'm sick of it. Go be a troll somewhere else

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justinh:

where do we sign the petition to ban emm cee who?

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sphery:

illus: and, if you can get OTA channels, er, over the air, you're better off doing it that way if they're all you want because a) no cable bill, b) the OTA broadcasts are usually /much/ higher quality than the garbage that the cable company rebroadcasts (they lower bitrate to cram more on their cables)

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illus:

mchou: i'm pretty sure the premium channels are encrypted...but at the same time the channels i really care for such as like nbc hd or espn hd are unencrypted...so that pretty much answers my question :)

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mchou:

justinh: that's funny. Like what I said wasnt true

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mchou:

illus: if they are unencrypted just go but a QAM capable card.....

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sphery:

illus: in which case you're much better off with an antenna, if possible

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mchou:

and you're all set

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illus:

i have looked at a few qam capable cards on the myth tv wiki

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illus:

and i just wanted a bit of a nudge in the right direction in choosing the superior brand/model

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illus:

the ones i looked at were the pinnacle 800i

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mchou:

illus: pinnacle 800i

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mchou:

they're good

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illus:

ahh hehe you stole the words right out of me!

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mchou:

or Dvico dual tuner version......

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mchou:

or HDHR

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illus:

so they are good then? that's good because i am very close to buying a refurbished one off of ebay

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illus:

the dvico's i've had trouble finding

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mchou:

they are good

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illus:

one thing as well....how are the pchdtv 5500's? i have heard so many mixed reviews

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mchou:

forget them

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mchou:

way too prcicy (and obsolete to boot)

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illus:

i see...a l ot of people seem to have hardware issues with them

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illus:

from what i've read

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illus:

but

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justinh:

so premium != pay tv? pfft. I give up on you USA lot

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illus:

there are also instances where i've read people have bought them, took them out of the box and installed and got them running no issues...but i think i will take your word for it

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mchou:

justinh: like I said, stop talking out of you ass

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mchou:

your*

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justinh:

stop appearing in my irc client then

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illus:

:o

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sphery:

justinh: the sel.left(18) is working fine, so I traced the actual error message to myththemedmenu.cpp (as you had suggested... :), but I'm getting bored with the search as I'm sure gbee would already know where to find the issue...

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mchou:

justinh: brit has absolutely no idea what he's talking about and keep on misleading people

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justinh:

gbee has more than enough on his plate I think. I already feel guilty for troubling him with my trivial noobish stuff

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illus:

mchou: you mentioned the hdhr...is there a brand name to that?

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mchou:

silicondust

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sphery:

HDHomeRun

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illus:

ohh ok

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illus:

i have seen that one

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justinh:

sphery: I might go in for a look myself tomorrow. need a bit of a distraction

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sphery:

I'm definitely giving up on that.

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sphery:

I'll work on something I'm more qualified to work on. :)

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illus:

so you do recommend the pinnacle 800i, silicondust hdhr, or the dvico dual tuner....any of these work perfectly fine then for viewing/recording purposes?

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illus:

if i may dare to ask: which of these 3 are easier to set up? or are they all equally supported?

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mchou:

illus: yup.

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sphery:

justinh: I did mention it to gbee in #mythtv, so if he gets it in scrollback, he may work on it (or, more likely, fix it in 2 seconds) tomorrow, too

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mchou:

they're all equally difficult to set up under myth

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justinh:

sphery: yeah. he said he'll look at what I'm doing when he gets time, but I'm ploughing on anyway just to see if I can do it myself

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wagnerrp:

premium channels are typically considered HBO, Showtime, STARS, and the like

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justinh:

more stuff done by more people == more time for more things in the long run :)

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illus:

hehe that's encouraging :D if i could pose the question from this angle..: are they all functionally on-par with each other after the correct installation procedure?

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wagnerrp:

ive never heard of anyone getting those unencrypted

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sqpat:

i think i found a solution to my little problem

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wagnerrp:

either through QAM or firewire

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mchou:

wagnerrp: then you havent been around

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sqpat:

found a little box that converts a component in to vga out. i might be able to stick that into a monitor.

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sphery:

justinh: Yeah, I figured I'd try to fix it so it would be a patch waiting for him rather than another item on the TODO list, but I found myself in way over my head...

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justinh:

wagnerrp: I've heard one or two anecdotals about _everything_ being uncrippled over firewire but that's far from the norm

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sqpat:

i might even be able to stick it into the same monitor that is recording, lol

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wagnerrp:

i guarantee you will never get them through QAM

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mchou:

wagnerrp: lol. your guarantee means nothing

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mchou:

considering I know people who get them

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wagnerrp:

if you get them through QAM, youre WHOLE AREA GETS THEM THROUGH QAM

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justinh:

so just so I understand this.. you lot have to PAY just to get unencrypted channels on cable?

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mchou:

wagnerrp: so? What good is your guarantee?

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justinh:

so when somebody says 'the stuff I pay for' they're not necessarily talking about encrypted stuff. weird

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wagnerrp:

so unless youre in some apartment building, where everyone gets the same lineup, including premium channels, that would never happen

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iamlindoro:

I struggle to understand why he still hasn't been banned, after all the behavior...

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sphery:

wagnerrp: which means /anyone/ with a digital TV tuner (i.e. in their HDTV set) gets them... So, I completely agree with you. Premiums won't be unencrypted QAM.

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sphery:

unencrypted firewire, maybe, but not QAM

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justinh:

sorry, I just made the logical assumption that 'paid for' == encrypted. lol

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mchou:

sphery: I kno w people who get HBO thru QAM. I've witness it personally.

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sqpat:

hmm. So are you guys saying premimum channels make it hard to record their shows?

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sphery:

justinh: on any cable company that knows what it's doing, it is :)

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mchou:

not thru STB

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sphery:

mchou: cablecard?

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iamlindoro:

justinh, You make that assumption correctly-- As sphery/wagnerrp mentioned, for it to be unencrypted via QAM it would need to be accessible freely to everyone.

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sphery:

or other DRM BS

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mchou:

sphery: no cablecard involved. clear AQM tuner

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mchou:

QAM*

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wagnerrp:

sqpat: well you have to pay extra for those channels, so they dont want to make it easy for someone who hasnt paid to get them

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sphery:

so, you've witnessed an incompetent cable co... I'm sure it could possibly happen.

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mchou:

sphery: it has also nothing with cabeco competency

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mchou:

cableco*

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mchou:

it has to do with infrastructure upgrades

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sphery:

mchou: so, how do they have a business model where they sell things, but anyone can get it without paying for it and yet you call them competent?

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wagnerrp:

if they have any channels that are not included in every single lineup, they will be encrypted... if theyre not, your cableco doesnt know what theyre doing

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sphery:

if you're saying they prevent access through simple line filters, they obviously weren't in business in the 1980's

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mchou:

sphery: well, the customers arent "stealing cable," for one

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wagnerrp:

ah, so these companies work on the honor system, i can see that going well

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sphery:

Oh, you live in a place where everyone's honest--going /well/ beyond the normal meaning of honest, even

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mchou:

sphery: dude, no one said anything of the sort

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sphery:

(as many people today would not consider it dishonest to watch TV they don't pay for that's available unencrypted on the line--me, however, not being one of them)

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mchou:

sphery: you're jumping to conclusions

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justinh:

heh. as if..

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sphery:

OK, so I don't understand what you're saying, then.

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mchou:

like I said, the issue has nothing to do with cableco competency

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illus:

mchou: are all the cards you mentioned functionally on-par with each other after the correct installation procedure? if you had to choose between the dvico fusionhdtv7 dual express? (is that the one you meant?) or the pinnacle 800i, which would you choose?

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illus:

or anyone else could make their suggestion as well :)

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mchou:

illus: they all are pretty much the same. dual tuners aare nice, though :)

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illus:

so you did mean the dvico fusionhdtv7 dual express when you mentioned the dvico dual yes? i just want to be sure i get the right model numbers....i have to start shopping around for them

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mchou:

illus: if you have old school mobo with PCI slots just go for 800i.

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sphery:

I don't see how it could be unencrypted QAM and still be only available to people who pay for it (without using hardware filters, which are basically useless). The only way I could see for it to not be the issue it sounds like to me is if /every single/ cable customer gets the exact same channels, whether they want them or not (i.e. no packages, no a la cart, just cable or no cable).

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mchou:

newer mobo with pci-e go with HDHR or Dvico

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illus:

i do have a single pcie slot but my geforce 8800gtx is way too bulky and i think it takes up too much room

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illus:

it might be too tight

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sphery:

I.e. everyone pays for every single channel.

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illus:

well either way, you folks have been very helpful and very integral in helping me make my choice....i do very much appreciate everyone's input :)

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sphery:

illus: enjoy Myth... (Not everyone in here is as argumentative as I've been. :)

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unimaginative:

iamlindoro, know off the top of your head what kernel module the ASUS P5N7A-VM uses for onboard network?

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unimaginative:

'lspci' says nvidia network controller, but there's no driver for nvidia inthe gigabit NIC setion of kernel config.

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iamlindoro:

That's because it's not an nvidia

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iamlindoro:

0b:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8169 Gigabit Ethernet (rev 10)

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iamlindoro:

r8169d'oh, wrong box

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iamlindoro:

hang on

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iamlindoro:

silly ssh ;)

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unimaginative:

heh.

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clever:

ive nearly shutdown the wrong system before because i forgot i was in an ssh window

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unimaginative:

I've already got the 8169 enabled in kernel.

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wagnerrp:

most modern consumer gigabit ethernet is either syskonnect, yukon 2, or realtek 8169 or 8113

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mchou:

forcedeth does gigabit if the phy is GbE capable

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mchou:

unimaginative: just go with forcedeth

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unimaginative:

00:0a.0 Ethernet controller: nVidia Corporation Device 0ab0 (rev b1)

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iamlindoro:

unimaginative, I've got forcedeth loaded

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unimaginative:

mchou, that's in the 100mbit section, correct?

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iamlindoro:

00:0a.0 Ethernet controller: nVidia Corporation MCP79 Ethernet (rev b1)

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mchou:

unimaginative: probably. cant recall

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unimaginative:

mchou, gar, its already enabled?

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mchou:

lol

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unimaginative:

just a sec, I wonder if my ethX nodes changed

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mchou:

ethtool tells all

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unimaginative:

hmm, that's funky

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unimaginative:

dmesg says forcedeth was loaded, and gave an ifname of eth0

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unimaginative:

but the device node eth0 does not exist.

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unimaginative:

in fact, eth* does not exist.

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wagnerrp:

ethernet inferfaces do not make dev nodes

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unimaginative:

I wonder if forcedeth needs to be a m.odule to work properly

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unimaginative:

wagnerrp, no, but UDEV does when the device is found.

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mchou:

lol

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wagnerrp:

makes a node in /dev ?

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unimaginative:

wagnerrp, I would but I don't knwo the major/minor numbers.

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wagnerrp:

ive never had network dev nodes in any linux system ive built

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wagnerrp:

now ifconfig will by default only show configured interfaces

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wagnerrp:

but you can still show all with a 'ifconfig -a', or just do 'ifconfig eth0'

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wagnerrp:

if eth0 actually exists

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mchou:

using udev to control eth assignment is just plain dumb

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wagnerrp:

which your kernel logs seem to indicate

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unimaginative:

wagnerrp, that's what happenned. it's a new network interface, so it got a new node. /dev/eth1

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wagnerrp:

it doesnt need a node, and ive never actually seen one get a node

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unimaginative:

isnt' frontend configuration data based off of the frontend's hostname?

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wagnerrp:

correct

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unimaginative:

then its still acting as if it does not have network

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unimaginative:

that's because it still doestn' have network.

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unimaginative:

hmm.

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unimaginative:

the BIOS utility shows it's connected...

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unimaginative:

i still wonder if forcedeth would rather be installed as a module.

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unimaginative:

Okay, there's something wrong.

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unimaginative:

in BIOS, attached directly to the switch with a 3 foot premade cable, no connection.

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clever:

green light?

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unimaginative:

clever, no light.

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unimaginative:

I'm checking another switch, just a sec.

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clever:

then the card is either toast or not working like i would expect

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clever:

i generaly expect the green light to come on before the OS even boots(without driver support)

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clever:

(or you have the crossover thing backwards)

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unimaginative:

clever, my switches are all auto sensing. I don't have a single crossover cable in my house :)

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unimaginative:

but good idea though

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clever:

nice, was about too mention how newer devices auto-sense

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clever:

ive only got auto-sense on 1 switch and 1 laptop

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clever:

but i am getting weird problems with my cisco switch

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unimaginative:

bah. *digs the old LNE100TX nic out of the junk drawer*

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clever:

if im pluged directly into the 12port cisco switch, dhcp packets(broadcast) are either slow or totaly droped

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clever:

the c600 laptop never gets the reply, and the d630 seems to take 60 seconds to get a reply

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clever:

but if i go thru a 2nd switch, it works fine

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clever:

and once it gets past the dhcp stage, it works fine for everything

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erbz:

could anyone recommend a decent dual tuner card for short money (under like $100)

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mchou:

hdhr

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mchou:

slightly over but not by much

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erbz:

do you know what brand that is?

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mchou:

silicondust

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erbz:

oh the hd home run thing

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erbz:

little too expensive for $159 =/

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mchou:

hmm, I've seen it for $115 or so

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erbz:

must've been some christmas deal

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erbz:

all the online places have it for $159-$166

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mchou:

well, dvico and hauppauge are your other choices.

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mchou:

none under your target

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erbz:

i just need a tv tuner card

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erbz:

not a stand alone unit

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mchou:

grab this while it's still hot: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . -_-15135001R

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mchou:

under you budget

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mchou:

your*

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erbz:

just seen that but its a single tuner card

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mchou:

no it's not

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mchou:

that's dual tuner

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mchou:

"FusionHDTV7 Dual Express"

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erbz:

there is only one coax jack

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mchou:

Read "DUAL"

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mchou:

so what?

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mchou:

you only have one cable coming into your house

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mchou:

doesnt mean you only have 1 TV

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erbz:

i see

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Shadow__X:

gasp does that mean its split internaly

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erbz:

nope

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erbz:

its split on a mountain in venice apparently

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unimaginative:

grrr,

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unimaginative:

I'm starting to get a headache, my network everywhere NC100 card is being recognized, and the lights on the back turn on when a cable is plugged in, but it's suppoed to be suppoted by the 'tulip' driver and it's not being loaded.

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erbz:

that card looks tempting but i'm sure it doesn't come with the dongle

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erbz:

wonder if an ati dongle would fit in to it

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mchou:

why would you need the dongle?

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erbz:

how would I connect it to my tv?

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mchou:

dongle is only necessary for analog

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mchou:

wtf

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erbz:

?

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mchou:

you connect it to your tv using your video card. DVI or HDMI

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erbz:

that would work if my tv wasn't from the stone age

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erbz:

only accepts component or s-video

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erbz:

this is why i need the dongle

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

no, you dont get it

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mchou:

no tv card OUTPUTS svideo

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erbz:

ok

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erbz:

i get it now

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mchou:

the take svideo in

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erbz:

the video card that is in there

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mchou:

they*

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erbz:

will keep doing what it does

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erbz:

which is pipe the video to my tv

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erbz:

so this one doesnt need to be connected to the tv

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unimaginative:

mchou, the PVR350 (or whatever it's called) is strictly yellow composite, correct?

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mchou:

unimaginative: I dont have one, but that's the few exceptions that outputs svideo/composite

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unimaginative:

hmm.

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unimaginative:

tulip_stop_rxtx() failed

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unimaginative:

I don't knwo what that means, but it sounds bad.

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Gumby:

when compiling mythtv from source, where is mysql.txt supposed to go? I didnt change the default install dir for mythtv so I am not sure that /etc/mythtv (which is where I am used to) is the proper place

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unimaginative:

Gumby, usually /home/mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txxt, but that's if user 'mythtv' is running the apps.

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Gumby:

unimaginative, right. generally I think that is a symlink to another mysql.txt though is it not

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unimaginative:

Gumby, unsure offhand

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Gumby:

I guess its not that important.... my real issue is that I just compiled 0.22 and when I run mythtv-setup I get a lot of db errors ie: http://pastebin.ca/1329611

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J-e-f-f-A:

unimaginative: the PVR-350 has S-video IN just like the rest of the PVR-x50 cards...

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wagnerrp:

Gumby: mythtv installs no such symlink

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wagnerrp:

if your old system had a symlinked file there, that was your distro's doing

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Gumby:

wagnerrp, I see.

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Gumby:

does mythtv-setup normally populate the database tables?

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wagnerrp:

yes, assuming the tables are there to start with

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Gumby:

and what populates the tables themselves? I see mc.sql creates the database and sets up privileges.

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wagnerrp:

mc.sql creates the database and tables

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Gumby:

hrm... this is all the mc.sql from trunk has http://pastebin.ca/1329619

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wagnerrp:

huh... i guess mythtv-setup does everything now

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unimaginative:

iamlindoro, Have you gotten HDMI audio working on your P5N7A?

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Gumby:

hrm.. and mythtv-setup is having issues connecting to the db. loverly.

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Gumby:

ah, I just had to be patient and wait. mythtv-setup populates it later on.

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rushfan:

Hello. I set up mythtv, but whne I go to watchtv the screen goes black and then goes back to the menu. I have a pastebin of some of my log output

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wagnerrp:

rushfan: usually thats a capture card, or file permissions issue

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rushfan:

http://fpaste.org/paste/3054

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rushfan:

well I am getting file complains

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rushfan:

2009-02–06 22:08:32.496 RingBuf(/video/1004_20090206220824.mpg): Invalid file (fd -1) when opening '/video/1004_20090206220824.mpg'.

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wagnerrp:

cat /dev/video0 to a file

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wagnerrp:

do you get video? or a 0 byte file?

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wagnerrp:

if you get a non-zero size, the card is working

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wagnerrp:

im going to assume you set the card up properly in mythtv

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wagnerrp:

which leaves file permissions

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rushfan:

its size zero

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wagnerrp:

are you trying that as root?

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rushfan:

yes

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wagnerrp:

can you pastebin dmesg?

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rushfan:

http://fpaste.org/paste/3055

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wagnerrp:

reload the ivtv drivers and do dmesg again

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rushfan:

Do I just modprobe them agian?

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rushfan:

like modprobe ivtv?

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wagnerrp:

rmmod first

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rushfan:

http://fpaste.org/paste/3058

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rushfan:

well

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rushfan:

mplayer is playing it now but it just froze

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rushfan:

and it was choppy

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wagnerrp:

everything looks good there...

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rushfan:

ok looks like its fine now

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rushfan:

dunno why i need to reload ivtv but thanks

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unimaginative:

I guess I need to do some reading on ALSA...

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rushfan:

now I need to get the old HDHomeRun working :\

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unimaginative:

trying to get HDMI audio working, but I can't even get analog audio working now.

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wagnerrp:

rushfan: there should be next to no effort in doing that

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rushfan:

wagnerrp: Oh no, there will be. Because I need to spoof the MAC address somehow

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rushfan:

cause Im on a university network

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rushfan:

I also cant automagically probe it

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wagnerrp:

well youre not going to spoof a MAC on an HDHR

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wagnerrp:

get a router, run NAT

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rushfan:

wagnerrp: yeah i'll have to

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rushfan:

well, there is something else I can do

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rushfan:

My room-mate works for systems

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wagnerrp:

add a second network card, and attach the HDHR with a crossover cable

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rushfan:

he can just get the ip of the thing, and spoof his desktops IP

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rushfan:

the school then things I have a windows vista box hooked up

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rushfan:

(He spoofs his desktop my tuners mac)

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wagnerrp:

two devices on the network with the same MAC is a VERY BAD THING!!!

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rushfan:

wagnerrp: no, hes going to spoof his mac bad

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rushfan:

back*

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rushfan:

Its a temporary change

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rushfan:

wagnerrp: does adding a second n etwork card require a router?

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rushfan:

Cause thats probably the best option

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rushfan:

cause I have no ethernet ports to spare either

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wagnerrp:

no, just add another network card in the mythbox, set up dhcp on the new interface, and connect directly to the HDHR

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rushfan:

ok

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rushfan:

cool

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wagnerrp:

two completely independent networks

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rushfan:

Ill do that

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rushfan:

cards are cheap

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wagnerrp:

you *could* set your computer up to work as a router, but the HDHR has no need for internet access

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rushfan:

yeah

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rushfan:

I agree

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rushfan:

plus that connection is way better

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rushfan:

IF I put it on the network, anyone can connect to it

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rushfan:

(the HDHR that is)

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wagnerrp:

well no they cant, because it would be NAT'd

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rushfan:

I mean if I put it I just connect it straight to the wall. wouldnt tehy be able to gain access if Im not using it/

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clever:

one of the hotels i went to, made us pay per MAC per day

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clever:

so when i switched to the 2nd computer, i had to get charged a 2nd time

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clever:

i solved that by putting the router in the loop, and used the mac stealing option of the router, to 'steal' the 20 remaining hours on my laptop mac

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clever:

so the hotel only saw my laptop mac, from the routers WAN port

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clever:

and i had a private encrypted hotspot

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clever:

could easily do the same thing in a school to get 2 computers(and a hdhr) online from a single mac/ip

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thread:

anyone have any theroies why it might be that when I set something to record and it goes back to the guide or other area, the thing is NOT marked to be recorded...

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thread:

like it totally didn't take the instruction at all

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thread:

things seem to work fine otherwise... i have a guide, i can watch tv still

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s34n:

When I try to Import DVD, myth tells me "Cannot connect to your Myth Transcoding Daemon..."

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s34n:

what am I missing?

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dtlwong_:

Hi all. I found using mythtv to watch a 50Hz interlaced broadcast, it seems output at a rate of 25fps. Is it normal?

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wagnerrp:

dtlwong_: depends on your deinterlacer

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wagnerrp:

some deinterlace algorithms require your output device to run at twice the framerate of your input

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dtlwong_:

I am using xv-blit

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wagnerrp:

so if your output device will only do 50fps, then your video will only display at half speed

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wagnerrp:

xv-blit is not a deinterlacer

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wagnerrp:

it is the blitter for Xvideo

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dtlwong_:

kernel deint & xv-blit

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wagnerrp:

kernel should not require double framerate

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dtlwong_:

the display card is AMD 780g IGP, ATI proprietary driver 9.1

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dtlwong_:

wagnerrp, you mean kernel deint should output 50fps?

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wagnerrp:

50fps in, 50fps out

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dtlwong_:

it is 25fps interlaced

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wagnerrp:

its 50 fields per second

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dtlwong_:

ok, it is 50 fields per second, 25 frame per second(interaced) source

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wagnerrp:

anyway, the bob, greedy, and yadif (2x) filters require a 100fps display

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dtlwong_:

so, the input to kernel de-int is 50i. The output of it is suppose to be 25p?

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wagnerrp:

the output is 50p

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dtlwong_:

I tried add code to count the DisplayNormalFrame() inside videoout_xv.cpp, it is being called at a rate of 25Hz

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s34n:

mythdvd relies on libdvdcss for ripping?

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GreyFoxx:

s34n: IF the dvd is encrypted then yes

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s34n:

I'm definitely missing something.

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s34n:

Even playing the DVD only shows me one text screen, then quits.

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s34n:

I'm guessing that was chapter 1 on the dvd

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s34n:

no dvd menus, nothing

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s34n:

ok. libdvdcss lets me play the dvd, but I still can't import it

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bsdfox:

http://www.pastebin.ca/1329663 getting that while compiling on my laptop. I get 1 hit under google for it and the link is bad :\

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RyeBrye:

bsdfox: are you compiling trunk?

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RyeBrye:

bsdfox: you need to use qt4 not qt3 for trunk

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RyeBrye:

(-I/usr/qt/3/include is incorrect in that)

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RyeBrye:

(if you are compiling trunk)

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iamlindoro:

"release-0-21-fixes/mythtv/programs/mythtv"

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iamlindoro:

bsdfox, you are missing one of the OpenGL prerequisites

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iamlindoro:

(although which and what it's called in your distro would be a guess)

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bsdfox:

alright I'll start digging around

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unimaginative:

iamlindoro, Have you gotten HDMI audio working on your P5N7A?

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iamlindoro:

unimaginative, yes, although I am not currently using it

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iamlindoro:

although I didn't need to do anything special to make it work, it "just worked" for me w/ nVidia drivers

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unimaginative:

iamlindoro, which nvidia drivers? I thought an alsa module was needed for sound.

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iamlindoro:

yes, you need latest alsa installed

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unimaginative:

ahh.

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iamlindoro:

1.0.18 or later IIRC

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unimaginative:

but I also thought that ALSA had been integrated into the kernel?

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iamlindoro:

is that some sort of question?

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unimaginative:

iamlindoro, sort of. Are you hinting that I should upgrade kernel or upgrade alsa utilities and leave kernel alone?

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iamlindoro:

I'm not hinting that you should do anything at all to your kernel

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iamlindoro:

I'm outright *telling* you to install the latest ALSA

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iamlindoro:

which is entirely seperate from your kernel

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unimaginative:

iamlindoro, awesome, I'll start there

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unimaginative:

Thanks.

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iamlindoro:

np

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iamlindoro:

http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Main_Page

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iamlindoro:

top right

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iamlindoro:

(unless your distro has a bleeding edge package which might be easier)

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unimaginative:

iamlindoro, i can set up an overlay, but I'm checking if they have an ebuild already.

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iamlindoro:

No idea where to begin with gentoo, so you're on your own there

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unimaginative:

it appears gentoo still wants me to use 1.0.17.. let's see what's masked.

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unimaginative:

looks like 1.0.19 is masked, let's see how it goes.

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RyeBrye:

To get HDMI properly working on my P5Q-Deluxe I had to use 2.6.28 (or patch my 2.6.27 kernel)

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RyeBrye:

there were patches needed for the specific Realtek chip used on the P5Q-Deluxe and a few other asus mobos

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mikeones:

netscout does rock

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BioZelle:

Hi

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jduggan:

hmm, just noticed, when i start my mythfrontend and my tv is in 'standby' it doesnt output to display, it connects via hdmi which i configured via the nvidia configuration app, and there's no modeline in xorg.conf is that prolly why

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gbee:

modeline bad

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gbee:

in my experience with the ATi driver it detects whether the hdmi is connected/active when it is loaded, nothing to do with the X config, restarting X doesn't fix it but a driver reload does

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laga:

ah, good engineering..

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gbee:

yeah

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gbee:

but if nvidia drivers do the same, then that suggests there is something more specific to the way HDMI works

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justinh:

nothing to do with erm.. EDID ?

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justinh:

but then, video drivers have been doing 'socket connected' detection for as long as I can remember

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[Peter]:

you can save the edid to a file and specify that file in the xorg.conf file, at least for nvidia. That in combination with "ConnectedMonitors" work for me

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justinh:

even lowly TV output states can be detected by the measly current drawn by a device being connected

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justinh:

I always wondered how that worked until I started digging into the intel driver code, so I'd guess that other drivers do similar things

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gbee:

justinh: that's the bit which both seem to be missing, the ability to detect when an HDMI device is connected or switched on

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gbee:

at least after the initial driver/hardware initialisation

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justinh:

wonder if you could fool it with a cheap hdmi switch

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gbee:

it might just be a missing feature, but it's strange that both the Ati and Nvidia products have the same problem

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justinh:

they might even use the same hdmi transceiver chips :P

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gbee:

personally my hdmi connected frontend is never switch off, so after initially booting when the TV is switched on it remains working even after the TV is turned off/on again

[12:25:10]

gbee:

i.e. it's a fairly minor issue for me

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justinh:

my tv is always switched on when I boot my frontend, so it wouldn't be a problem for me either

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[Peter]:

and as I said, you can use ConnectedMonitors in the screen section to force it to think there's something there ;)

[12:25:46]

[Peter]:

with nvidia

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justinh:

time to do a little bit of boot script fettling

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gbee:

heh, not easy to fix with a remote

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justinh:

noticed today that 'preparing restricted drivers' was taking ages, so it's gonna go

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[Peter]:

gbee: you don't have SSH access to it?

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gbee:

[Peter]: of course I do, just an observation that's all

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justinh:

hrm. wonder what restricted drivers (if any) I'm using. no wireless, no nvidia, no ati ...

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justinh:

the perils of using mythbuntu & hacking it down to suit yourself. heh

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justinh:

see how it likes an 'exit 0' before anything happens in /etc/init.d/linux-restricted-modules

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justinh:

if it does, there's 5 seconds shaved off boot time :D

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justinh:

whatever happened to upstart anyway?

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Dibblah:

Woo. Whole top end of my bike engine rebuilt. Piston / barrel replaced, valves cleaned and ground, circlip lost in crankcase, clearances adjusted (2mm of play on the inlet valve _might_ explain not so hot performance) reassembled and it all works :)

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Dibblah:

Yes, OT.

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Dibblah:

Apologies.

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justinh:

meh :)

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Dibblah:

It's only a CG125, but it should manage 10 degree inclines @30 :(

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justinh:

jees. 10 seconds just to get into PXE

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justinh:

aand into mythfrontend main menu in 50 secs from poweron

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justinh:

oof. slower than it looks

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gbee:

ouch

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justinh:

what the eff is mysql doing on this box ffs?!

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justinh:

hahaha

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gbee:

hoping I'll benefit from the major bott speed optimisations done in Mandriva 2009 when I finally upgrade the production machine

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justinh:

gbee: 10 secs of that 50 is POST & the stupid PXE ROM

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clever:

justinh: im getting weird painfull delays here

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clever:

30 seconds for PXE to even load

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clever:

and another 30 for dhcp

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Dibblah:

justinh: openboot is much, much faster...

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justinh:

the kernel/initrd load is pretty quick, but DHCP replies prolly add another 2 secs

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clever:

certain laptops dont even work at all when using the cisco switch

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clever:

its like the cisco is ignoring the dhcp broadcasts packets

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justinh:

Dibblah: I don't like messing too much

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Dibblah:

No, it's like you haven't configured your DHCP options correctly.

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clever:

Dibblah: then why does it work perfectly when i use a port on the dlink 'switch'

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clever:

which leads to the cisco which leads to the dhcpd

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justinh:

okees. no more mysqld starting up in init

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justinh:

sheesh

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Dibblah:

(PXE will preferentially use DHCP options which contain... Something or other)

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Dibblah:

ie it waits for a DHCP response it "likes"

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clever:

Dibblah: it should be sending/receiving identical packets, nomater what switchs/ports are in the path

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justinh:

samba? sheesh man

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Dibblah:

And "settles" for others.

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clever:

yet when im connected directly to the cisco, the c600 laptop never boots

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clever:

and the d630 takes forver to get started

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jduggan:

debug ip dhcp?

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Dibblah:

Whatever. You and your old hardware are welcome to your 'oddities'. ;)

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jduggan:

maybe you have snooping on

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clever:

ive tried to packet sniff the dhcp, but it never hears a single packet

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jduggan:

clever: have you debug'd on the cisco switch?

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jduggan:

are you using helper-address ?

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clever:

jduggan: not that i know of

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justinh:

hell this box could save a couple of secs just not showing the stupid boot logo

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Dibblah:

justinh: Manually configuring the IDE channels helps, too.

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clever:

jduggan: cisco c2900xl

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justinh:

oh crap

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Dibblah:

IE explicitly tell it "None" instead of "Auto"

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justinh:

broken it

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clever:

justinh: and disabling the floppy drive probing, if you even have them

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Dibblah:

justinh: http://etherboot.org/wiki/romburning

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justinh:

seems removing mysql has stopped mythbuntu running mythfrontend automagically on x starting up :-\

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Dibblah:

justinh: One option is to skip the problem entirely.

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clever:

mythfrontend must have a local mysql server to function!!!

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Dibblah:

I mean, what do you *actually* need to do to get the frontend up?

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justinh:

X, lirc, networking..

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Dibblah:

And then write your own init script.

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Dibblah:

Exactly. Essentially nothing.

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justinh:

there we go. I added mysql back to rc.d & mythfrontend comes up

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justinh:

ROFL

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justinh:

BAD mythbuntu!

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clever:

i just start the frontend/backend from rc.local

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justinh:

I don't have time or the inclination to sort this out properly

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Dibblah:

:)

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Dibblah:

Why are you concerned with boot speeds, anyway?

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clever:

so you would rather run a mysql serveron every frontend?

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Dibblah:

STR FTW!

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clever:

Dibblah: also, you cant say my old hardware is f*cking up

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justinh:

Dibblah: just because :)

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clever:

the d630 laptop, core2duo 1.8ghz with gigabit ethernet is having problems

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justinh:

besides, 50 secs is pretty horrendous, even for NFSroot

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clever:

Dibblah: how the hell is that old?

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justinh:

it's loading shedloads of modules I don't need aswell

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laga:

justinh: that's weird. you sure it's not connecting to the local mysqld for some reason?

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justinh:

yes. very sure

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clever:

but the init script may require mysql to be running 1st

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justinh:

I think something in the startup script is checking to see if mysql is up or not

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clever:

ive seen gentoo doing that, when i least expect it

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justinh:

can't remember how this is done on here now

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clever:

i try to start rsyncd, and it demands that the local disks get mounted first

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laga:

clever: no

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clever:

which demans that they be fsck'd

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laga:

mythfrontend is started by xfce

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laga:

on mythbuntu

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clever:

i was inside a chroot with an invalid fstab

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justinh:

I'll grep for my tvout settings mangler script

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clever:

so the fsck failed

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clever:

it then proceded to reboot, while in a chroot

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laga:

maybe for some reason the auto login/auto start was disabled in the control centre

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clever:

and improperly shut the host down without warning

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laga:

in which case i'd appreciate a bug report

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justinh:

laga: oh no, the desktop background comes up & everything, so it logged in

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clever:

justinh: frontend logs!

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Dibblah:

clever: I meant your switch.

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Dibblah:

Which is over 10 years old, unless I'm mistaken.

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Dibblah:

And it would appear that you don't know all that much about it yet...

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justinh:

clever: no frontend log you noob. no mythfrontend start up, no log!

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clever:

Dibblah: ahh

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clever:

justinh: the frontend may be hung before the gui shows uo

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laga:

justinh: okay, check MCC if the auto login is still enabled

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laga:

justinh: err, auto start

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clever:

Dibblah: the dhcp packets are still passing thru the cisco when it works good

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justinh:

laga: it is

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Dibblah:

Unless I'm misunderstanding, it was EOLed 9 years ago.

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jduggan:

see if the frontend starts from a terminal in X?

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justinh:

but something is depending on mysql

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jduggan:

(Without mysql)

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clever:

Dibblah: the 'broken' path is laptop->cisco->dhcpd

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justinh:

jduggan: yes

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justinh:

the starting up script is broken somehow

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jduggan:

justinh: aha, yikes :P

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clever:

Dibblah: the 'working' path is laptop->dlink->linksys->cisco->dhcpd

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Dibblah:

The Cisco is pre-loved?

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laga:

justinh: i'd appreciate seeing /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.sh

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Dibblah:

If so, I'd suggest looking at it with a serial terminal.

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clever:

Dibblah: it was configured with an ip outside of my lan, with a password

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justinh:

laga: there is none, so I guess I'm not using MCC anymore

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clever:

i went in thru the serial console and renamed the config, causing it to reset to defaults

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clever:

i can now telnet into it any time i want

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clever:

IOS (tm) C2900XL Software (C2900XL-C3H2S-M), Version 12.0(5.2)XU, MAINTENANCE INTERIM SOFTWARE

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clever:

begining of 'show version'

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laga:

justinh: hum hum. *nods gravely*

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clever:

and yes, it does look atleast 9 years old, the copywrite thing only covers 1986–2000

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justinh:

doing a grep to find my 'overscan' script call

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justinh:

it's in there somewhere

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clever:

Dibblah: and one of the realy anoying things, any invalid command turns into a dns request

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justinh:

hrm. something is depending on mysql being started here

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justinh:

ah sod it. it works. end of

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justinh:

nah back to it.

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justinh:

nothing obviously dependant on mysql in .config in my home dir

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justinh:

good grief. apache is starting up too

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clever:

lol

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justinh:

doh. stupid user

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justinh:

mysql & apache are not starting up. I wasn't logged into the frontend, just checking the nfsroot dirs

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justinh:

oh crap! now in /etc/rc.X mythtv-backend is a lower number than mysqld

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justinh:

let this be a lesson to me

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justinh:

phew. all fixed up again. naughty user

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justinh:

I should go back to breaking code soon

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justinh:

before I break my working production box again

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BioZelle:

Hi there, I've got a problem running mplayer with dshowserver in mythtv. When I try playing an mkv-file with the options 'mplayer -fs -vc coreserve %s' then mplayer gives me the output 'sh: dshowserver: command not found', but when i start the command not under mythtv but an terminal it works fine.

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gbee:

err, why mplayer?

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dustybin:

could anyone link me to some full scale arguments on the mythtv mailing list?

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dougl:

morning folks...

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BioZelle:

Because mplayer can handle coreavc-for-linux @ gbee

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dougl:

I configured my spdif output to work with mythtv – now I get spdif audio output when I watch tv but not when I listen to music = any suggestions?

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gbee:

BioZelle: look again, there are mythtv patches

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gbee:

not that coreavc will relevant with 0.22, doesn't really offer any performance gains over current ffmpeg and vdpau/va-api/XvBA stomp all over it

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justin__:

dustybin: just look for any Jean-yves posts ;)

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dustybin:

haha ok

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BioZelle:

thx gbee

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BioZelle:

Ok there was an easier way to get it to work..u just startet mythtv as another user -.-

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BioZelle:

This is really strange because both users are in the same groups and have the same rights ....

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gbee:

you're still better off with the internal player, but it's your choice (for now)

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danieledm:

hi all... i need help: i setup a mythtv box using ubuntu 8.10 and the video go really slow in the mythtv frontend, i tried xbmc to test the backend, and it's more fluid but it freeze often ... are there some options on mythtv-frontend to adjust the video fluidity?

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justin__:

bah wth have ubuntu done with auto cd player settings?

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danieledm:

i'm talking about livetv video

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justin__:

hrm. no 'multimedia' tab where there should be one in gnome-volume-properties :-\

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justin__:

jees. they rely on nautilus for that now. grrr

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sid3windr:

guys, using the internal player with the audio set to 5.1 I'm not hearing everything I should (i.e. don't hear voices on some movies) while when set to stereo it's all good. Any ideas what the cause may be? I tried passive, active simple and active linear upsampling; the latter sounds very robotic :/

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dougl:

I cannot seem to configure my spdif out to play my music – any suggestions?

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dougl:

spdif works for watching tv but not listening to music

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gbee:

dougl: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Configuring_Digita . . . .2C_Properly

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unimaginative:

I upgraded to alsa 1.0.19 to get sound over HDMI working, but now 'aplay -L' does not show the hdmi plug anymore.

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^Zunni^:

My Xbox360 used to see all my encoded TV shows (I encoded to AVI using nuvexport), after some OS upgrades and a reboot, my Xbox will still SEE the myth box but won't see any videos inside. Any clue what I should be looking at? My sharing still works as I can access these videos via my Windows PC and my Myth media library contains these files. Any ideas?

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dougl:

gbee, thanks :)

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unimaginative:

jeeze, I wish alsa was a little easier to work with.

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mikeones:

unimaginative: have you check #alsa for help?

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unimaginative:

mikeones, I've been idling in there since yesterday evening.

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gumpert345:

hi im running a ubuntu 8.04 fileserver I can connect to via ssh only, Id like to install a mythtv backend, anyone did this before? what about the configuration that needs to be done? Can I do it via ssh? is that easy, hard?

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gbee:

alsa is the devil's work

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AndyCap:

gumpert345: mythtv-setup needs X but you can forward that over ssh -X

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gbee:

rofl, check out the last change on the 5th – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges

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laga:

ouch

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unimaginative:

gbee, human readable filenames, heh.

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unimaginative:

I wonder if I can get mythgame to spawn an instance of WoW in wine :)

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gbee:

delete the page now, should anyone wonder what I was refering to

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gbee:

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gumpert345:

AndyCap I'll have a look at this ssh -X though I hope no gnome or kde needs to be installed on the server

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gumpert345:

thx

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unimaginative:

gumpert345, I used that method to get my headless backend installed.

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gumpert345:

headless? means without gui?

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AndyCap:

gumpert345: you'll at least need qt and x libraries.

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unimaginative:

headless == without monitor, keyboard mouse.

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gbee:

you need the QT libs whether there was a GUI or not

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AndyCap:

but I guess myth packages should drag all that in

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gumpert345:

Ill read some more and have a try later, thanks for your answers

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AndyCap:

headless = without monitor, keyboard, mouse on that machine..

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unimaginative:

I've got one digital channel that lags real bad.

[17:24:47]

unimaginative:

I think it's in HD, but its got a 4:3 aspect ratio.

[17:24:56]

unimaginative:

its DEFINATELY not 1080i

[17:25:13]

unimaginative:

my *other* 1080i channels play back fine.

[17:28:05]

yakman:

hi, has anyone reporting a memory leak in trunk r19951?

[17:28:31]

yakman:

reported*

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gbee:

a couple, backend or frontend?

[17:29:19]

yakman:

backennd contqains the leak when on the recording preview page

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yakman:

contains* – sorry i need to turn the lights up a bit

[17:30:17]

yakman:

you can see the memory usage rocket up and then fill the swap

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gbee:

unimaginative, might be falling back to your SD playback profile, if you can found out the res you can tweak the conditions

[17:30:37]

gbee:

yakman: nope, no-one has reported that

[17:30:57]

gbee:

recording preview == Watch Recordings?

[17:31:30]

yakman:

yep the page that allows you to select a recorded program to watch

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gbee:

if so I can't reproduce that at all and it makes no sense

[17:32:22]

gbee:

sure it's not just a bunch multiple backend preview generation processes?

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yakman:

would that casue a 1.6Gig swap to fill up?

[17:34:01]

yakman:

i'll have a look in the logs

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mag0o:

unimaginative: i've found i can sometimes get (what i think is) the video res while changing live tv channels with: tail -f /path/to/mythbackend.log |grep -i 'grabbed preview'

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gbee:

not normally, but under certain conditions, especially with HD recordings it might just happen – depends on whether there is something wrong with the streams that the preview generator does like

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gbee:

it's easy to tell, just run ps -A/top and look for more than one mythbackend process

[17:35:20]

gbee:

doesn't lie

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gbee:

like

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gbee:

bah

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yakman:

ahh ok, its sd recordings, one backend, and frontend on the same machine with one remote front end

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yakman:

ok i have done that and saw more than one backend process

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gbee:

ok SD recordings and combined fe/be wouldn't really fit the hypothesis

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gbee:

so no, it's unreported and I can't think of a single thing which would explain it

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yakman:

it was running fine yesterday, did svn update and added the remote frontend

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gbee:

what version were you running before?

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gbee:

sorry, which frontend is causing the problem?

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yakman:

only observed the fault on the fe /fb machine, not checked the remote fe as yet

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gbee:

ok

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yakman:

the previous version was ... 31 Jan

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yakman:

can't see anything in the logs, i'll re-compile with a dist-clean ... prolly fault at my end if no one else is seeing it

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yakman:

thx gbee, i'll let u knowhow i get on

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erbz:

how can i change the font size of the on screen info when i hit my info button on my mce

[18:11:06]

erbz:

the description info of the movie is too small

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^Zunni^:

My Xbox360 used to see all my encoded TV shows (I encoded to AVI using nuvexport), after some OS upgrades and a reboot, my Xbox will still SEE the myth box but won't see any videos inside. Any clue what I should be looking at? My sharing still works as I can access these videos via my Windows PC and my Myth media library contains these files. Any ideas?

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wagnerrp:

reboot the 360?

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wagnerrp:

i know my PS3 only scans the folder once when i first enter into the UPNP browser

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wagnerrp:

if i want to rescan, i have to force a rescan, or reboot the machine

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wagnerrp:

when you say 'windows pc', you mean windows vista with WMP right?

[18:49:24]

wagnerrp:

erbz: there is no way to do that in mythtv

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wagnerrp:

you set it statically in the settings, and then all of mythtv follows the new font sizing

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sauvin:

My girlfriend's Time Warner Cable box apparently got relfashed – by TWC. Now, her ubuntu-based PVR doesn't work. Any suggestions for fix?

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gbee:

erbz: the on screen display, i.e. shown while watching a recording/tv?

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gbee:

wagnerrp: those settings do nothing for 2/3s of the UI and even less in 0.22 (affecting only settings)

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wagnerrp:

really... all pre-defined by the theme?

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jarle:

I get "DVBChan(2:2) Warning: Your frequency setting (12322000) is out of range." Where is this setting changed?

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sphery:

sauvin: what do you mean by "doesn't work"? (And I'm sure you mean "MythTV" when you say, "ubuntu-based PVR".)

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sauvin:

sphery, you are correct. She's saying TWC "flashed" her SA 3250 and now mythtv doesn't recognise it.

[19:02:40]

sphery:

wagnerrp: yep, defined by the theme because the theme decides how much space to leave for text, therefore, decides which font/font size is appropriate/fits

[19:02:52]

sphery:

sauvin: for firewire?

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sauvin:

Asking.

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sphery:

otherwise, MythTV shouldn't care at all about the set-top-box

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sauvin:

(I'm in Chicago, she's in Texas)

[19:03:32]

sauvin:

Yes, firewire.

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wagnerrp:

so you have no idea whats going on, besides what was told to you over the phone?

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sphery:

Well, that's enough information for me to know that I can't help (I don't use firewire), but you may need someone who can help you add a new device ID to the firewire script or whatever...

[19:04:36]

sauvin:

Yup. She's asking where to start looking for a fix.

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GreyFoxx:

tell her to call TWC and ask them to turn back on the firewire port which hasn't worked since they updated the software on thier box ?:)

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sphery:

sauvin: and if it is enabled (and you can verify that throuh a TV with firewire or something) look at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5440 — may be as simple as the process that was used there to add the device ID

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GreyFoxx:

Or of course check the output of plugreport to see if the device is seen at all

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sauvin:

Gentlemen, thank you very much for answering. I don't understand these answers, not having TV of any sort myself. I'm trying to get her to come in here.

[19:08:13]

sauvin:

(she likes to ask *me* for help because I pretend to know something about ubuntu)

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wagnerrp:

i dare say a good number of people who use ubuntu dont know anything about ubuntu

[19:09:13]

** Batshua waves **

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sauvin:

wagnerrp, you'd be correct.

[19:09:27]

wagnerrp:

people who use but dont know anything about other distros either give up, or run screaming into the night

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sauvin:

Yup. I ran all the way to the Debian install CD.

[19:10:08]

sauvin:

Batshua's the one with the ubuntu/mythtv/TWC problem.

[19:11:00]

Batshua:

Oh hai. It's broken and I am trying not to tear my hair out. My current plan is to move out of state. Unfortunately, that costs more money than I have right now. So, what can I do about this?

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wagnerrp:

well if you check mythlogbot, http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1 , there were a couple suggestions of where to start

[19:12:38]

sauvin:

If you're talking about the suggestions you made for me to pass on to her, she has those.

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wagnerrp:

ah, ok

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sauvin:

Cut and paste, baby, cut and paste!

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** CaptObviousman has no scissors with which to cut **

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CaptObviousman:

HOW DOES I DO CUT PASTE?!?

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jams:

guess you should just eat paste and call it aday

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justin__:

I can haz paste?

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jams:

oh yeah paste is the new cheese

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^Zunni^:

<wagnerrp>: I've had the 360 off and on over the past 2 weeks, and it's always showing empty media folder.

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justin__:

yeesh. pseudo-me

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wagnerrp:

to be honest, i was under the impression the 360 outright did not work with mythtv

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wagnerrp:

because of how painfully strict the 360 was in how and from where it would accept content

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Batshua:

Okay.

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Batshua:

I ran plugreport on both ports on the back of the STB downstairs.

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Batshua:

Host Adapter 0. It fined Nodes, but I get errors reading oMPR and iMPR

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Batshua:

That's bad, right?

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sauvin:

When running plugpreport, I get this: libiec61883 error: error reading THING, for each of THING={oMPR,iMPR} on each of Mode {1,2} GUID 0x001692dc2d380000. What does this mean, please?

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sauvin:

(that's an edited error report; the original text isn't politely pastable)

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justinh:

heh. now got 3 machines ripping cds

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sphery:

on http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/199#comment:51 , "Am I missing something?" Yes, you're missing the fact that Trac is a bug-tracking database, not a support forum.

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wagnerrp:

ticket 199, thats an old one

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sphery:

justinh: With gbee's help, I figured out the Unknown menu action thing... OK, well, really, gbee figured it out and explained it to me. I just couldn't stop thinking about it and didn't like letting it get the best of me.

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, it's functionality that's useful for LiveTV users, but I think there were concerns over the implementation of the patch.

[19:48:45]

sphery:

and, it's for LiveTV users, so what's the point in applying it ;)

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justinh:

I'll call somebody when I figure out this button child sizing thing. or just sob quietly in the corner

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sphery:

You're a better man than me... I took the easy way out and asked gbee for some help.

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justinh:

I hate being the needy guy

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justinh:

I'm not especially proud of myself for wanting to go in & change mythui stuff already either

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sphery:

wagnerrp: actually, it could be useful for non-LiveTV users, too... I.e. the program guide or MythWeb Listings could allow you to choose a channel group so you can see "Favorites" or "Movie Channels" or "Science/History" or whatever. But, the implementation thing is still a problem.

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sphery:

justinh: I think even the great leader of the mythui charge will admit there's a lot of cool stuff still to be done to it. He's just focusing on the "has to be done" stuff, now, I think.

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justinh:

well, that's entirely fair. anyway I need to learn $stuff if I want to stand a chance of making other improvements too

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sphery:

ughhh... #199 now has a tar file to untar after applying the patch.

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laga:

sphery: they should have uuencoded it into the patch

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

maybe Rot13

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sphery:

I sent a response to the "How do I get the diff to include added files" (though I sent it to the list where it belongs :), so I hope he cleans it up.

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justinh:

this just should not be

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sphery:

Only one more bug to track down, then I can start working on my new-functionality patches!

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justinh:

ripping 4 discs on a slow linux box to flac in the time it takes EAC to do one

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sphery:

wow

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sphery:

EAC a Windows program?

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jams:

sphery- couple weeks ago I was talking with one of encryption/security "experts" at work. He was going on and on about how important it is to use encryption, so I suggested Rot13. His response was "I will have to look that one up"

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sphery:

heh

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sid3windr:

yea but eac is really really really really careful

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sid3windr:

and stuff

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sid3windr:

it's not meant to be fast

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jams:

it amazes me how people work their way into positions they are not qualified for.

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sphery:

couldn't it be called a Caesar cypher?

[20:05:15]

jams:

yeah i think so

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justinh:

EAC isn't being any more careful than sound juicer

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jams:

Bet that term would confuse him even more.

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sphery:

Yeah, there seem to be a lot of security "experts" who only hold that position because everyone more qualified than them knew enough to know they're unqualified. (Not to say there are no good security experts, just that the field is one where you could be a good beginner after 30 years of full-time practice.)

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sphery:

I recommended to a client that he "talk to the security experts" if security was a real concern. It was quite scary when I found out he was the company's security expert--even more so when he explained his plan for the security implementation.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Sounds like our firewall "Expert" at work that setup a NAT for one of our Sun boxes — was only supposed to have ssh open, he set it up with ANY:ANY – and the box got hacked big time...

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sphery:

Yeah, I'm very glad that I don't work in the field. After all, true digital security is impossible, so things /will/ go wrong. Therefore, I'm glad I'm not the guy who gets blamed when they do. (Especially since even a person who knows/does the job well is often impeded by decisions made by managers who just don't understand the implications or simply by budget constraints.)

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Batshua:

http://nopaste.com/p/azeUQotYV

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Batshua:

This is the SA 4240.

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Batshua:

The "upstairs box". I brought it down to see if I could get better results.

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Batshua:

Can anyone tell me what this report means?

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wolf_:

Hey, should my channel list automatically donwload and update from schedules direct? because I keepp having to go in and tell it to restrive the linup manually every once in a while

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wagnerrp:

your schedule data should automatically be updated, your channel list will only be modified when you manually go into mythtv-setup and make alterations to it

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J-e-f-f-A:

[ot] "Intel will develop PS4 GPU" — http://mygaming.co.za/news/PS3/3482-Intel-wil . . . PS4-GPU.html <-- Dummies!!!

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wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: that is entirely rumor and speculation, and why are they 'dummies'?

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Intel?

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wagnerrp:

there are two completely different divisions working on larabee and the integrated chipsets

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: ie: Intell GPU ???

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wagnerrp:

they are wholly different beasts

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wagnerrp:

Larabee is effectively a giant programmable vector unit

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hobophobe:

I'm curious if anyone knows how to make irrecord more precise. Currently it rounds all raw pulse/pause values to the nearest 50.

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: That article seems to say "Intel's Larrabee GPU".."has been given exclusive access to design the GPU that will be used in Sony's next console"

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wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: perhaps, and sony came out a day later and categorically denied that claim

[21:45:41]

wagnerrp:

but the reasoning behind the claim is sound

[21:46:06]

wagnerrp:

Sony is looking down the line for a new system for the next 3–10 years

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Really? Humm... Ok, yeah it was from 2/5, thought it was from tdday... ;-)

[21:46:23]

J-e-f-f-A:

'today' even...

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wagnerrp:

ray-tracing is going to come into its own in that time frame

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wagnerrp:

raster engines scale linearly with scene complexity, while raytracing engines scale logarithmically

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sphery:

hobophobe: what remote are you trying to record?

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wagnerrp:

so and your scene increases in complexity, raytracing VERY QUICKLY outstrips rasterizing in efficiency

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sphery:

hobophobe: Have you looked for a useful config for it?

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hobophobe:

It's for the Scientific Atlanta IPN330HD. I have found a few configs, but none of them work and are all cloned off of a config for a different STB (usually the VIP12xx series by Motorola)

[21:48:36]

wagnerrp:

the Larrabee architecture is designed with ray tracing in mind

[21:48:57]

sphery:

hobophobe: sorry, don't know of a good one for that STB (or others like it).

[21:49:05]

J-e-f-f-A:

hobophobe: Don't know myself... A few years ago I was troublshooting my Dish7200 remote control with lirc, worked ok for receiving, but not for 'blasting'. I ended up resorting to using my o'scope to compare waveforms and tweaking values until the lirc output matched the remote perfectly, then had to adjust the repeat count to 4 for my receiver to act on the code.

[21:49:09]

sphery:

hobophobe: likely, you'll have to modify the irrecord code to do it differently.

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wagnerrp:

so if sony wants to start programming development now, it makes sense to use a graphics processor which is right now designed for what they expect to use 3–4 years down the line

[21:49:22]

hobophobe:

ah

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wagnerrp:

rather than try to shoehorn such capability into the shader units on a current nvidia/ati chip

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wagnerrp:

or worse, try to emulate it in software

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sphery:

J-e-f-f-A: : but now for the DISH, the reverse-engineered non-raw config from Endaf Jones ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DISHNetworkLIRCConfiguration ) is the way to go

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wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: they actually wanted to use the Cell (another massive vector unit) for the graphics on the PS3, before deciding it wouldnt be fast enough and picking up a traditional raster chip

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sphery:

also hidden among the many broken DISH configs on the LIRC site

[21:50:55]

hobophobe:

J-e-f-f-A, when using an oscilloscope for that purpose, you have to open the remote and read off of the leads to the LED?

[21:51:29]

twity_:

i have a backend with 2 tuners (both em28xx). i can watch livetv with either of them fine. when one tuner is recording however , i can not watch live tv with the other. on the frontend side i get an error like "GetEntryAt(-1) failed". The backend log says "Can't open video device, error "No space left on device". Anyone has an idea?

[21:51:33]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: re: gpu — I follow you. I wonder how the Amiga software did it so well ~16 years ago... (well, not in real-time, it took several hours or days to render, but hey, they pulled it off!)

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rushfan_:

Is anyone here using an HDHomeRun directly connected to their computer?

[21:52:09]

rushfan_:

I hooked it up to my NIC with a cross-over cable but Im not sure how to set up the network now.

[21:52:12]

rushfan_:

just setting it to dhcp didnt seem to work

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wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: they probably did it at low resolution, or low complexity, or limited the number of bounces they would trace

[21:52:31]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: There isn't one on there for the old DishPlayer 7200 -- ;-) Which is technically obsolete now, as it won't support N3 so I was forced to "upgrade" to 508's...

[21:53:42]

wagnerrp:

we use POV-Ray at work to do final renders for papers and presentations, and it usually takes several hours for a high resolution render of a couple million triangles

[21:54:00]

mr_spock7:

Hey does anyone use a hvr-1600? I'm trying to get mine to work with hd it picks up the channels over QAM fine, but when I start using livetv on it it there's a lot of decompression errors untill eventually the stream just stops. I already disabled epg seeing how the wiki said it sometimes causes problems.

[21:54:03]

wagnerrp:

but we end up doing 10–20 at a time on different machines

[21:54:09]

J-e-f-f-A:

hobophobe: re- remote — Yeah, that's what I did. My scope is also an old 20mhz DSO (Digitial Storage), so I captured the 'real' remote's signal, then used a primitive method — masking tape on the scope face, with pen marks where the cycles started and ended... ;-)

[21:54:16]

wagnerrp:

so it hadnt been worthwhile to try to set up parallel povray yet

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hobophobe:

J-e-f-f-A, ah. I've never used one before, but basically until I can get this configured I have no tv :P

[21:55:05]

J-e-f-f-A:

hobophobe: then adjusted the lirc timings so that it matched exacly the same.

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sphery:

wagnerrp: why POV-Ray instead of, like, Blender (or another modeler)?

[21:56:07]

wagnerrp:

sphery: its for 3d visualization, not modeling

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J-e-f-f-A:

hobophobe: In my case, there was not anyone else using a DishPlayer 7200 receiver (which itself is a PVR) with Myth (or lirc), so I was on my own... I suspect you'll have better luck finding a config online.

[21:56:24]

wagnerrp:

visualization of CFD, specifically turbomachinery

[21:56:25]

sphery:

hobophobe: likely if you modify some of the ones other people say work for your STB, it will work for you... Often, you'll need to modify the gap for different processors.

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wagnerrp:

we have our own in-house visualization program, that we wrote in some code to dump the current geometry to a POVRay file

[21:57:19]

wagnerrp:

and then just throw the process on one of the nodes, and let it churn away for a few hours

[21:57:24]

J-e-f-f-A:

hobophobe: or – if your remote is RC5 or RC6 – you'd be best to use irrecord with an RC5 or RC6 template file, then you'll get a nicely formatted file, and should be more accurate.

[21:57:26]

sphery:

wagnerrp: I thought the modelers all had built in renderers. I realize you may not need the modeler, but didn't think much had been hapening on the POV-Ray front.

[21:57:56]

hobophobe:

sphery, okay, will look at that.

[21:57:58]

sphery:

guess though, it makes sense to use POV-Ray for batch processing.

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wagnerrp:

sphery: thats the thing, were not using modelers, were using visualization programs

[21:58:36]

hobophobe:

J-e-f-f-A, well I was having zero luck unless I ran in raw mode, but I will see about that as well. I think there will be a config for it eventually, just that no pros have the box yet :)

[21:58:57]

J-e-f-f-A:

rushfan_: I have an HDHR, but it's on a gigabit switch and gets it's DHCP address from my router. If you're doing a direct-connect, you'll have to run dhcp or something on your computer to provide it an address I think...

[21:59:07]

sphery:

I'm only asking because I'm considering installing Blender (never used anything but POV-Ray--just thinking that Blender seems more open than POV-Ray).

[21:59:18]

sphery:

wagnerrp: ^^^

[21:59:29]

sphery:

wasn't trying to change your ideas, just looking for ideas for me

[22:07:05]

NightMonkey:

Hi all. Myth is rocking for me for years. I'm starting to investigate what I'll need to do for HDTV 1080i with Dish Network as my provider. Anyone who has HDTV with Dish wanna share their general Myth setup (cards/mobo/settop box connections)?

[22:09:03]

NightMonkey:

Right now I have the PVR-350, and it has served me well since 2004 without trouble, using S-video input and output. Super clear signal path.

[22:09:21]

mr_spock7:

most likely you'll need a ir blaster or serial connection if your box supports it to change channels then just a supported hd card

[22:09:32]

mr_spock7:

unless you have a box with a firewire output

[22:09:49]

NightMonkey:

mr_spock7: I have an IR blaster I use currently (the MyTV Serial IR blaster).

[22:10:47]

NightMonkey:

mr_spock7: So, I'd certainly repurpose that. I'll only use one tuner, so I don't think I'll need another.

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mr_spock7:

Sounds good then just need a new card

[22:11:18]

Demerzel:

hello folks ... anyone here used the USB IR dongle that comes w/ the nyko bluewave remote w/ lirc?

[22:11:22]

Demerzel:

http://www.nyko.com/nyko/products/?i=113

[22:11:40]

NightMonkey:

mr_spock7: Yeah. I'll probably need a new mobo, too, but I'm planning on that. I'm running a Nvidia2 w/ 1 x Athlon XP 1600.

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NightMonkey:

mr_spock7: I like the form factor I've got with a Shuttle SN41G2V2, so hopefully I'll find a sweet-spot with a similarly small solution.

[22:12:57]

NightMonkey:

mr_spock7: And it's *quiet*.

[22:13:10]

mr_spock7:

Yeah I've seen those shuttles before they're nice

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NightMonkey:

mr_spock7: I've heard over the years of quality control problems with other models of Shuttles, so I'll be carefully googling each model that looks right spec-wise.

[22:16:08]

NightMonkey:

Heh, I just calc'd what I've missed in regards to Tivo fees: ~$650, based on $12.95/mo.

[22:16:28]

mr_spock7:

Well I have hd running on a athlon x2 5000+ and that's a cheap cpu nowadays anything supporting a compareable cpu will do you fine.

[22:16:48]

J-e-f-f-A:

NightMonkey: To get dish HD into your box, you'll need an HD-PVR – not supported with Myth until 0.22 is released though.

[22:17:00]

wagnerrp:

NightMonkey: dont they have a lifetime subscription for that kind of money?

[22:18:28]

mr_spock7:

So anyone use or know or anything using a hvr1600? I cant get mine to do HD to well....

[22:18:35]

mr_spock7:

of anyone*

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J-e-f-f-A:

NightMonkey: It accepts compontent video in, and encodes it to H.264 – you'll need a fast processor or a VDPAU capable Nvidia card to play it back, – again, 0.22 features...

[22:19:40]

J-e-f-f-A:

mr_spock7: Not me... I have a Hauppauge 1250, but am not using it currently (I have a HDHomeRun now) – I didn't have any issues w/it though, just wanted to free up the slot...

[22:20:27]

mr_spock7:

Ahh yeah I've got it grabbing hd over QAM just it there is a lot of decompression issues as it keeps failing the crc checks during playback.

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J-e-f-f-A:

mr_spock7: Ah, another difference... Mine are just used for ATSC OTA... ;-)

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NightMonkey:

mr_spock7: Ah, good to know. Do you have HD, and do you also have a card to encode/decode?

[22:21:43]

mr_spock7:

Yep I tried to use atsc but I'm to far out to pick up anything, maybe after the broadcast shift I will.

[22:22:11]

NightMonkey:

wagnerrp: Oh, probably. I forgot about that.

[22:22:36]

J-e-f-f-A:

mr_spock7: How far are you?

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mr_spock7:

~70 miles

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NightMonkey:

J-e-f-f-A: Ah, yeah, I've been drooling over the HD-PVR.

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Similian:

hi

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Similian:

i have a few webstreams

[22:23:19]

Similian:

i would like to be able to wath

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Similian:

watch

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Similian:

their adresses go like this

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Similian:

http://stream.abc.com/stream1

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J-e-f-f-A:

NightMonkey: You could get by for now with S-Video out of your dish box into your 350... not HD, but would look pretty good if you ran a high resolution such as 720x480... Then plan for a HD-PVR later... ;-)

[22:23:59]

Similian:

and mms://something.something

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Similian:

how can i add them to my mythbox?

[22:24:18]

Similian:

and where?

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Similian:

would this be a videoplugin thing

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Similian:

or iptv

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NightMonkey:

J-e-f-f-A: I've been thinking about that. I still have my old SD Dish reciever, and was thinking aobut upgrading that to a HD recieiver with SD output. I'm a little afraid, becuase the quality I see is soooo good, I'd hate to lose any.

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NightMonkey:

J-e-f-f-A: I run full NTSC res now (720x480), yeah. I'll probably time the hardware upgrade to go with 0.22'

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NightMonkey:

s release

[22:26:04]

** NightMonkey hiccups **

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sphery:

rhpot1991: I think I was wrong about the <UDN> in config.xml... It's the <UDN> of the master backend, and is the preferred approach (rather than using the <DefaultBackend> element) because it allows reconfiguring the database settings on the master backend and not having to push out copies of config.xml to all clients. If using <DefaultBackend> (which, confusingly, specifies the DB settings, not backend info), it's basically ...

[22:26:30]

sphery:

... the same as using mysql.txt.

[22:27:05]

sphery:

rhpot1991: and any change to the DB requires pushing a new config.xml (with <DefaultBackend> DB settings) and/or new mysql.txt to all clients

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J-e-f-f-A:

NightMonkey: Yeah, if you've been watching HD directly on your dish receiver, you will see the difference... ;-) Maybe not as drastic as the difference between SD and HD, but 1920x720 -> 720x480 is nearly a 3:1 compression horizontally and a 33% reduction in vertical resoution...

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wagnerrp:

who runs 1920x720?

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Dagmar:

People who spent too much on their TV

[22:30:25]

wagnerrp:

i could see maybe 1920x800, since thats 2.4:1 (common film AR)

[22:30:32]

J-e-f-f-A:

Woops... Yeah, not that high, eh? ;-)

[22:30:59]

Dagmar:

Nah, it'll be 16:9

[22:31:03]

J-e-f-f-A:

I think dish is 1440x720

[22:31:13]

Dagmar:

It's just that that's a very far from square pixel ratio

[22:31:29]

Dagmar:

There's a few of them on the market like that, and they are just silly expensive

[22:31:51]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ah, oh, yeah, I think dish compresses 1080i to 1440x1080i — 720p should be 1280x720

[22:32:24]

wagnerrp:

1440x1080 is the 4:3 variant of 1080i/p

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Dagmar:

ABout the only thing 1920x720 gets you is the ability to downsample 1080 to 720 wihtout losing horizontal detail no one really gives that much of a damn about at 720

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NightMonkey:

720 is 50% more resolution than I have at 480. ;) You guys with all that resolution are pretty flippant about preserving it. ;)

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justinh:

NTSC is 480i though :P

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J-e-f-f-A:

NightMonkey: Hah... ;-) I still don't have a single HD TV in my house... but I do have 2 22" LCD Monitors at 1680x1050 on Myth frontends... ;-)

[22:37:39]

sphery:

and DVD has a max of 540 lines of horizontal resolution (generally, about 500, though, due to filtering and A/D conversion), broadcast NTSC SDTV about 330, and VHS about 230.

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sphery:

NTSC is garbage

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NightMonkey:

I'm not looking forward to 6GB/hour storage requirements with HD. I have almost 1 TB for movie storage now, but now I'll have 1/8th the available storage time, if my arithmatic is right.

[22:38:14]

sphery:

Component out from a DISH HD-capable STB would be much better than S-Video or Composite or (shudder) RF out from the box.

[22:38:33]

NightMonkey:

J-e-f-f-A: Nice. Connected via VGA?

[22:38:42]

J-e-f-f-A:

NightMonkey: DVI. ;-)

[22:38:50]

sphery:

but capturing Component out requires an HD-PVR, at which point, rather than doing 480p via Component, you'd just do 1080i/720p via Component

[22:39:05]

J-e-f-f-A:

NightMonkey: 22" LCD – $179 — 22" TV – $400 -- ;-)

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justinh:

hrm. 91 albums ripped so far :)

[22:40:03]

J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: Manually, or with a changer and a script?

[22:40:12]

justinh:

manually

[22:40:21]

J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: wow!

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NightMonkey:

J-e-f-f-A: Sweet. I do like that Plasma's keeps the color black black and such. I'm spoiled by my Sony WEGA CRT, I guess. The "glow" of LCDs does distract a bit.

[22:40:31]

victoria_:

hello, I have a tuner card, pinnacle 800i that mythtv detects, but I get nothing when I view livetv?

[22:41:39]

justinh:

J-e-f-f-A: 3 machines on the go :)

[22:41:41]

J-e-f-f-A:

NightMonkey: Yeah, plasma has great contrast, but burns in. If OLED's lifespan issues can be figured out/fixed, then it's going to be the best I think...

[22:42:23]

sphery:

SED ftw! Stupid economic crisis keeping it from being released (after a stupid patent troll kept it from being released when the economy was good... :( )

[22:42:34]

justinh:

I could've had 4 but I lack another monitor

[22:42:34]

Dagmar:

I think OLEDs image change times are going to put a stop to that, man

[22:42:46]

NightMonkey:

J-e-f-f-A: And I'm not rich, so I'll always be looking for the better price-feature ratios.

[22:42:54]

J-e-f-f-A:

Dagmar: eh? Nanoseconds isn't fast enough?

[22:43:03]

sphery:

OLED is Duke Nukem Forever

[22:43:09]

Dagmar:

I've seen nothing along those lines dude

[22:43:17]

Dagmar:

All the OLEDs I've seen are as slow as old LCDs

[22:43:21]

NightMonkey:

Oh, I hear Duke Nukem Forever is gonna be great.

[22:43:23]

Dagmar:

They just happen to be in color

[22:43:26]

justinh:

I just want a display which can match my CRT for blackness & brightness. And a pony

[22:43:32]

wagnerrp:

doesnt sony have a little 12" OLED TV?

[22:43:42]

justinh:

11" actually

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sphery:

SED!!! Go SED.

[22:43:47]

J-e-f-f-A:

Dagmar: then that has to be a controller issue... LEDs turn on and off in nanoseconds...

[22:44:11]

Dagmar:

The ones made with inorganic compounds, sure.

[22:44:35]

Dagmar:

Just because something is a diode that emits light doesn't guarantee it'll have all the same properties as anything else behaving as a diode that emits light

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sphery:

it is wikipedia, but, "OLEDs also have a faster response time than standard LCD screens." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_light-emitting_diode

[22:46:02]

sphery:

Samsung has a 40-in OLED TV at 1920x1080

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justinh:

I bet a pony is cheaper

[22:46:32]

sphery:

yeah, and has better lifetime

[22:46:33]

Dagmar:

A pony and someone to care for the pony is cheaper

[22:46:48]

J-e-f-f-A:

Heck, a sports car is probably cheaper! ;-)

[22:47:01]

NightMonkey:

So sad that the "modern" replacements for display technology seem to all have a) lower lifespans (meaning more landfill) and b) use more electrical power.

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Dagmar:

Nah, but $2500 will buy a lot of pony

[22:47:37]

justinh:

$2.50 will buy a pony sandwich :D

[22:48:22]

sphery:

so, if PLED's (Polymer) have the best lifetime with 198K hrs for green and 62K hrs for blue, does your TV go yellow when the blue wears out?

[22:48:38]

Dagmar:

Probably

[22:48:40]

justinh:

holy poop. how many Robbie Williams albums does my wife own? grounds for divorce!

[22:49:06]

NightMonkey:

My mom has a 36" TV from 1992 (cable TV READY! ;) ) that still runs well.

[22:49:21]

NightMonkey:

Big sucker, tho.

[22:49:35]

justinh:

bet it's 4:3 too

[22:49:39]

victoria_:

this is a copy of my dmesg, it would appear that my card is detected, but yet in myth and mplayer I see nothing from it

[22:49:42]

victoria_:

http://pastebin.ca/1330295

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NightMonkey:

justinh: You got it.

[22:50:09]

justinh:

victoria_: did you add the card in mythtv-setup as the correct type?

[22:50:18]

victoria_:

justinh, yup

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victoria_:

v4l-analog, thats how I have used the card many times before

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J-e-f-f-A:

NightMonkey: I have two Mitsubishi Megaview 37" Computer Monitors — accept 1024x768 VGA (but are blurry at that resolution) – are quite clear at 800x600 though. ;-) Got for free when my former company updated to 40" LCDs.

[22:50:55]

NightMonkey:

justinh: "4:3 makes a bold statement. It says, 'This viewer wants the home experience.'."

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Dagmar:

wwwINteresting.... "cx2388x MPEG-TS Driver Manager version 0.0.6 loaded"

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justinh:

victoria_: doesn't look like a framegrabber from where I'm standing

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victoria_:

it is a pinnacle 800i

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Dagmar:

"firmware: requesting dvb-fe-xc5000–1.1.fw"

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Dagmar:

So I'm thinking that "I set it up as v4l-analog like I did before" is either a lie or glosses over the fact that it never worked before either.

[22:52:07]

J-e-f-f-A:

NightMonkey: One has a Viewsonic N4 video scaler on it, and is in the living room – SD looks quite stunning on it with the scaler (de-interlaced), but straight s-video into it looks like trash (scan lines and interlace flicker)

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justinh:

NightMonkey: heh. I went to see Yes Man today (ouch) – at one point I thought "hmm, where's my remote? I need to pause this & go to the loo"

[22:52:47]

NightMonkey:

J-e-f-f-A: Interesting.

[22:52:51]

victoria_:

Dagmar, I have set this card up many times and yes you can set it up as analog

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justinh:

victoria_: mplayer doesn't DO analogue tuners AFAIK

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Dagmar:

Then you don't have a problem anymore apparently. Glad we could help.

[22:53:31]

victoria_:

unless something has changed recently that now

[22:53:35]

justinh:

tvtime, yeah. mplayer hmmm not so sure

[22:53:44]

justinh:

victoria_: so what's changed since it worked?

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justinh:

upgraded your distro? que?

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Dagmar:

I suggest following http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Pinnacle_PCTV_HD_Card_(800i)

[22:55:20]

victoria_:

Dagmar, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Pinnacle_800i

[22:55:51]

Dagmar:

So?

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victoria_:

note section 2.4.2

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NightMonkey:

justinh: Heh. "4:3 is for the successful person who knows that long lines and stale popcorn are out, and the 'only at home personal loo experience' is in. 4:3. Nearly Square for the Nearly Aware."

[22:56:19]

Dagmar:

Again, so what

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victoria_:

it says it can be used as analog

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NightMonkey:

OK, I'm done.

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justinh:

victoria_: I'll ask once more. what's changed since you last had it 'working' ?

[22:57:04]

victoria_:

justinh, nothing

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victoria_:

I have even deleted the card and re-added the card, but nothing

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justinh:

mmmyers. don't believe you

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Dagmar:

So, allow me to suggest that instead of trying to pose counterarguments you take the fact that IT IS NOT WORKING as factual evidence that you need to abandon those ideas and read and/or listen.

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victoria_:

Dagmar, sheesh cant you just accept that when a person asks for help they are not complete idiots and do not fly off the handle at them

[22:58:55]

Dagmar:

When they respond to everything by arguing about it, no.

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victoria_:

but you argue

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Dagmar:

because we don't have a card that we can't get working

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Dagmar:

Amazing how it works like that

[22:59:30]

Dagmar:

You can either *try things* or not.

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Dagmar:

One of the two will be more productive than the other.

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victoria_:

so what do you suggest then

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Similian:

does anyone have a working frebox.m3u ?

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Dagmar:

How about we start with the question justinh asked.

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Similian:

i get a timeout

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Dagmar:

You've used up your three questions for me.

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victoria_:

Dagmar, I have said nothing

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victoria_:

but yet you do not believe me

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justinh:

something must have changed

[23:01:04]

justinh:

anything

[23:01:09]

justinh:

did you reinstall or something?

[23:01:30]

Dagmar:

if "it just broke" then the card needs replacing. All done.

[23:01:34]

** Dagmar dusts off his hands. **

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victoria_:

justinh, no just havent viewed it in a few days, came to watch a few shows today and all shows are recorded in crazy colors

[23:01:46]

kormoc:

If one says nothing, can there be anything to be believed?

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justinh:

sounds like something in the box has gone nasty

[23:02:25]

justinh:

if a power cycle doesn't fix it, it's gorn bad

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justinh:

and generally cards don't 'just go bad', so suspect everything

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victoria_:

justinh, already tried the power cycle, it still didnt come up

[23:03:08]

justinh:

test the card in another machine

[23:03:30]

justinh:

failing that, it's sounding like you need a trip to your friendly local computer store

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victoria_:

the funny part that is the only desktop, I have, the rest are laptops

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justinh:

whoops

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justinh:

stuff can overheat in PCs, damaging some components but not others

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victoria_:

guess I will be off to ebay then

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justinh:

phone a friend ;)

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victoria_:

ohh well I guess I will just buy a couple pvr-500s

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justinh:

and hope that whatever ails the current tuner doesn't also happen to the new ones

[23:06:47]

justinh:

bearing in mind that analogue tv is literally on its last legs now

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victoria_:

yeah, but I can still get it from my cable provider(who may be going under)

[23:07:53]

J-e-f-f-A:

... and S-video outputs won't be going away for quite a while yet...

[23:08:48]

wagnerrp:

sadly, svideo is likely to outlast component

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victoria_:

can you get cards to view the Digital signal from the cable providers?

[23:09:17]

wagnerrp:

victoria_: you can get QAM tuners, yes

[23:09:31]

wagnerrp:

however most channels from most providers will be encrypted, and unusable

[23:09:36]

justinh:

and you'll basically get what you can over the air unless you've _exceedingly_ lucky

[23:09:40]

wagnerrp:

usually all you can get is the local broadcast channels

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victoria_:

thats what I thought

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victoria_:

so what cards do you guys use then?

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wagnerrp:

a pair of 150s, a 1250, and an HDHR

[23:10:50]

wagnerrp:

so two NTSC, three ATSC/QAM

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hobophobe:

so if this remote is RCMM I can't control the box?

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victoria_:

wagnerrp, do you have cable? or do you do over the air?

[23:12:16]

wagnerrp:

cable

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jduggan:

win 43

[23:12:29]

wagnerrp:

although i only use QAM so i dont have to set up an antenna

[23:12:38]

wagnerrp:

i dont actually get any additional channels over digital

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J-e-f-f-A:

victoria_: I've got a 500, a 250 and a HDHR. I feed the PVRs S-Video from Dish Network SD receivers, and a roof-top antenna to the HDHR.

[23:13:52]

victoria_:

so I could get a pvr500 and send the feed from my digital box to the pc as well

[23:13:58]

victoria_:

right?

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J-e-f-f-A:

victoria_: Yes. You'll have to change channels on it with an IR blaster though.

[23:14:41]

hobophobe:

is there a way to determine which IR protocol a remote is?

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Gumby:

what are people using for deinterlacers when using vdpau and current trunk ?

[23:16:16]

victoria_:

J-e-f-f-A, I guess I would use the component out on the digital box to the card in the pc then?

[23:16:24]

J-e-f-f-A:

Gumby: Might not be optimal, but I'm using BOB.

[23:16:57]

J-e-f-f-A:

victoria_: The only way you can use the Component out is to feed it into a HD-PVR.

[23:17:10]

Gumby:

I havnt tried anything yet. Looks pretty decent, but I figured there might be something better

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victoria_:

J-e-f-f-A, how do you get the signal from the satellite box into the card?

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wagnerrp:

svideo

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J-e-f-f-A:

victoria_: yeah, s-video & sterio audio. Not HD, but it works...

[23:22:45]

victoria_:

J-e-f-f-A, I am not worried about HD, I just want to be able to record shows, but doing it that way, you can only record one show at a time correct?

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hobophobe:

*frown* it is RCMM. I cannot transmit this, correct?

[23:23:41]

J-e-f-f-A:

victoria_: Yes, one show per Set-top-box and tuner on myth. so I've got 3 Dish SD STBs -> 3 Tuners (PVR-500 and PVR-250), plus two OTA HD via the HDHomeRun

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victoria_:

wow, thats gotta be expensive

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J-e-f-f-A:

hobophobe: You should be able to transmit anything witha gerneric serial blaster using 'raw' mode...

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justinh:

df -h

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justinh:

oops

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victoria_:

J-e-f-f-A, I guess I could put a couple tuners in for the SD side of the cable, and then use that way you use for anything on the actual digital side

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J-e-f-f-A:

victoria_: My dish service totals something like $75/month – "Top 250" + 3 extra receivers at $5/month each.

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hobophobe:

I will give it a shot, thanks

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victoria_:

J-e-f-f-A, I have been thinking of switching to satellite, as charter seems to be going through a rough time

[23:26:22]

J-e-f-f-A:

hobophobe: what blaster do you have?

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hobophobe:

I have a serial and a USB-UIRT

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J-e-f-f-A:

hobophobe: Ok, I believe you'd be ok with the serial blaster – although the usb-uirt may work as well if it supports a 'raw' mode...

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paulh:

J-e-f-f-A: Your patch on #6103 looks fine. It needs modifying slightly to work with 2 line displays and to delete the new widgets you are creating for the dot and am/pm indicator but they are minor issues I can take care of

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victoria_:

well thanks for the info

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paulh:

J-e-f-f-A: I'll commit something tomorrow

[23:29:34]

J-e-f-f-A:

paulh: Thanks. ;-)

[23:30:21]

J-e-f-f-A:

paulh: I completly removed the call from init — it just caused to call sendtoserver, which returned without doing anything because the lcd wasn't marked as 'ready' yet... so a completely useless call...

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paulh:

Yep that's fine

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J-e-f-f-A:

paulh: I guess I should setup a test rig with more LCDs if I'm going to continue developing stuff for LCDs. I've got 20x4's, 16x2, 20x2, 24x2, 40x2, 40x4, as well as some VFDs.

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paulh:

J-e-f-f-A: I've just got a 4x20 but I test other layouts using the curses driver

[23:33:43]

paulh:

20x4

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J-e-f-f-A:

paulh: I appreicate you taking the time to look at it and commit it. ;-) /me makes a note of using 'curses' for testing... ;-)

[23:35:36]

paulh:

J-e-f-f-A: It would be nice to be able to define the lcd screens using some xml files like you can the UI screens so you could have any layout you wanted

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J-e-f-f-A:

paulh: That's what I'd like to define... I've started playing with some new layouts 'manually', but want to create just that. Here's a sampling of what I threw together on my current backend as an example: http://jatz.gotdns.com:8008/files/lcd

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paulh:

J-e-f-f-A: I get Address not found

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quaa_:

wow. can someone please help me out! i just completely jacked up my system and dont know how to get it back! I am running mythbuntu on an AMD64 system and what i innitially was doing was adding the mythtv weekly repos and did my first update to the system. Now after the nvidia package not updating there is no more mythtv on my computer! When i try to go into the menu and multimedia there is no mythtv frontend! I do not know what to

[23:38:56]

quaa_:

do.

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J-e-f-f-A:

paulh: humm... perphaps 8008 is blocked for you... I can post it on my verizon page too... Just need a few mins to do that. ;-)

[23:39:34]

Dagmar:

What part of "address not found" is eluding you today, man

[23:40:03]

Dagmar:

guaa: You need #mythtv-ubuntu

[23:40:11]

Dagmar:

Or maybe it was #ubuntu-mythtv

[23:40:27]

Dagmar:

J-e-f-f-A: Address, not port. That domain name doesn't exist

[23:40:35]

J-e-f-f-A:

paulh: Woops... missed an "r"... ;-) http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/lcd

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Dagmar:

Ah that's much better

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J-e-f-f-A:

<strange, cut & paste from the browser, must have somehow deleted the "r" before I hit return... DOH! >

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paulh:

J-e-f-f-A: Those look nice

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J-e-f-f-A:

paulh: I'm finding 'lcdproc' a little flustrating, not being able to define the custom characters myself... The LCD support would be much 'prettier' by being able to define the custom characters...

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mzb_xps_:

I'd be tempted if any of my (ancient) LCD modules had a backlight ;)

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mzb_xps_:

(and if they fitted nicely in the front of a mini-ITX case)

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J-e-f-f-A:

mzb_xps_: Yeah, one of the other factors for me is that the current LCD support in Myth isn't very 'pretty'... ;-) That's why I'd like to improve it. ;-)

[23:45:54]

mzb_xps_:

sounds like a plan

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paulh:

mzb_xps_: I ended up getting a small plastic case and putting the module in there

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sphery:

rhpot1991: it seems that the config.xml/mysql.txt stuff is sufficiently "not-yet-where-it-should-be" that using either config.xml or mysql.txt is fine. Using config.xml (with DB info only) has the benefit of being easy to configure in packaging scripts and allows scripts (i.e. using Perl bindings--probably also Python bindings) to function. (Though the Perl bindings will work with only a <MediaRenderer> specified in the ...

[23:46:32]

sphery:

... config.xml, it's probably easier to do just the <DefaultBackend> DB connection info with packages).

[23:46:56]

J-e-f-f-A:

paulh, mzb_xps_: Here's my fancy mounting... ;-) http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/CF634.jpg

[23:47:26]

J-e-f-f-A:

(hehe, that's the 'default/old' recording status screen...)

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mzb_xps_:

I've been busy a) getting correct program data for all time zones in .au (DVB-T + DVB-S), and building a front-mounted fan for the mythtv fileserver .... the constant use that the system gets makes it difficult ;)

[23:48:31]

J-e-f-f-A:

mzb_xps_: ooh, AU... ;-) I've always wanted to visit you guys down there... Maybe some day... ;-)

[23:48:49]

mzb_xps_:

J-e-f-f-A: nice pic ;)

[23:49:38]

mzb_xps_:

paulh: WAF--- for that approach ;)

[23:49:44]

quaa_:

there is noway anyone can help me w/ my problem here? the ubuntu-mythtv channel is dead!

[23:50:04]

J-e-f-f-A:

mzb_xps_: Yeah... ;-) It's on my backend, so no need for WAF there.

[23:50:07]

Dagmar:

quaa_: We can suggest you reinstall the CD

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quaa_:

ouch =(

[23:50:24]

J-e-f-f-A:

quaa_: It's not dead... it's just VERY low volume... ;-)

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Dagmar:

They might know what you did wrong

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mzb_xps_:

quaa_: tail the logs

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quaa_:

not what i was looking for there

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Dagmar:

We don't (or someone would have said something)

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quaa_:

well i would assume that the package manager is what broke it

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J-e-f-f-A:

mzb_xps_: If you liked that one... you'll like this... This CrystalFontz634 USB allows me to set a boot screen in it's memory... So this is what I programmed it to... ;-) http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/CF634_boot.jpg

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J-e-f-f-A:

mzb_xps_: Since it's got it's own controller on-board, that's displayed as soon as the power is turned on, and until the LCDd daemon initializes. ;-)

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Dagmar:

quaa_: No, what you did to the package manager broke it

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Dagmar:

Eventually you'll learn not to screw with things you don't understand unless you've made backups.

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quaa_:

well looking at package manager logs this is what happened

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quaa_:

Log started: 2009-02–07 17:18:40

[23:55:39]

quaa_:

(Reading database ... 132045 files and directories currently installed.)

[23:55:39]

quaa_:

Unpacking nvidia-180-libvdpau (from .../nvidia-180-libvdpau_180.22–0ubuntu1~intrepid1_amd64.deb) ...

[23:55:39]

quaa_:

dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia-180-libvdpau_180.22–0ubuntu1~intrepid1_amd6 4.deb (--unpack):

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quaa_:

trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libvdpau.so.1', which is also in package nvidia-glx-177

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quaa_:

Errors were encountered while processing:

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quaa_:

/var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia-180-libvdpau_180.22–0ubuntu1~intrepid1_amd6 4.deb

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quaa_:

Log ended: 2009-02–07 17:18:41

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quaa_:

Log started: 2009-02–07 17:22:17

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quaa_:

(Reading database ... 132045 files and directories currently installed.)

[23:55:51]

quaa_:

Removing mythweather ...

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quaa_:

Removing mythvideo ...

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quaa_:

dpkg – warning: while removing mythvideo, directory `/var/lib/mythtv/videos' not empty so not removed.

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J-e-f-f-A:

quaa_: You should really use a pastebin..... Jeepers...

[23:56:00]

quaa_:

Removing mythnews ...

[23:56:02]

quaa_:

Removing mythmusic ...

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quaa_:

Removing mythmovies ...

[23:56:06]

quaa_:

Removing mythgame ...

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quaa_:

Removing mythflix ...

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quaa_:

Removing mythtv-backend-master ...

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quaa_:

Removing mythtv-backend ...

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quaa_:

Removing mythtv-transcode-utils ...

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quaa_:

Removing mythbuntu-apple-trailers ...

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Removing `diversion of /usr/share/mythtv/info_menu.xml to /usr/share/mythtv/info_menu.xml.diverted by mythbuntu-apple-trailers'

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quaa_:

Removing mythbrowser ...

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Removing mythtv-theme-mythbuntu ...

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Removing mythstream ...

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Removing mythtv-frontend ...

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Removing libmyth-0.22–0 ...

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quaa_:

Processing triggers for menu ...

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Processing triggers for libc6 ...

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quaa_:

ldconfig deferred processing now taking place

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Dagmar:

Congratulations, that just made half the channel just ignore you

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quaa_:

Log ended: 2009-02–07 17:22:20

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quaa_:

sorry im not that great at IRC

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quaa_:

lol

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quaa_:

thanks. =( well any ideas?

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sphery:

rhpot1991: last update... The UDN is actually for the client/mythfrontend. The USN is for the master backend (and goes in the <DefaultBackend> element), but is often left out.

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