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Friday, February 6th, 2009, 00:01 UTC

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gbee:

am I alone in thinking that #5954 is a fugly (to put it mildly) hack?

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gbee:

it's only intent seems to be to abuse the menus to avoid the work of creating a proper plugin

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iamlindoro:

yes, ugly

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sphery:

gbee: I'm definitely not disagreeing, but his discussion of it is at: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/359491#359491 . He says he's using it for dynamically building menus for an online streaming service.

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sphery:

Don't know if that would be the Apple Trailers (not) "plugin" or if it's a different, equally ugly attempt at not doing proper MythTube support.

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gbee:

well I've registered my opinion before Nigel commits so at least I can't have my lack of any objection held against me when someone tries to submit the Apple Trailers patch for inclusion in trunk

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iamlindoro:

I don't get it, though... since when has a menu item *ever* been an acceptable paradigm for launching an item in myth proper?

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iamlindoro:

And since there's no liklihood of it ever being so, why bother accomodating it?

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gbee:

there are plenty of patches, new features and changes which I don't especially agree with, but this particular one just rubs me the wrong way

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iamlindoro:

and by launching an item I mean spawning a player for a specific piece of media, btw

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gbee:

it's a hack, it abuses the main menu system in a way it was never intended to work

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gbee:

but I could live with it if I didn't see a host of crappy plugins which use it on the horizon

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gbee:

just wait until people are submitting patches to display additional metadata within the menu code ;)

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iamlindoro:

Exactly, if there's never going to be any submission using the ability to make it to trunk, why provide the ability?

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iamlindoro:

Not that it's my business :)

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Dibblah:

Heh. http://engrishfunny.files.wordpress.com/2009/ . . . ter-engr.jpg

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gbee:

heh

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iamlindoro:

"Any ideas on how to get this off the ground so that I can get HD into my foxes." Hmm... none that I can think of that the foxes will enjoy

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wagnerrp:

its an invasive surgery, you have to go in through the rectum

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iamlindoro:

That's from subject "Interfacing with cable fox Time Werner then FIOS"

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sphery:

Speaking of HD foxes... The Simpsons. Soon. (Only 10 days!)

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wagnerrp:

what do foxes have to do with simpsons?

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wagnerrp:

oh... FOX

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wagnerrp:

nevermind...

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

gbee: Nice work on the channel scanner... Only going to be used for the frontend one, now? Or did you come up with a nice way of making it work in mythtv-setup?

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wagnerrp:

the scanner got moved?

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sphery:

no, still in mythtv-seutp

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sphery:

guess gbee found some magical path to finding it in mythfrontend, too

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sphery:

(No one seemed to even know it was there--only knew about the OSD one. But, don't know how useful it is since most any change to a channel requires a backend restart.)

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sphery:

s/a backend restart/a restart of all backends/

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wagnerrp:

seems my file storage issue has not been solved by a reinstall

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wagnerrp:

well thats disappointing

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sphery:

system-level problem or Myth?

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wagnerrp:

system, nfs server stops responding after some number of hours

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sphery:

oh, that's never good.

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sphery:

Ubuntu?

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wagnerrp:

freebsd, gentoo client

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sphery:

I think Chutt is having a similar/same problem

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sphery:

Hmmm. Strange.

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sphery:

NFSv4?

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wagnerrp:

3

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sphery:

that should be pretty stable.

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wagnerrp:

any reason to serve on both UDP and TCP?

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clever:

i had some recent nfs problems also but rebooting the server(fully not nfs-kernel restart) fixed mine

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wagnerrp:

TCP is usually only used if UDP fails, right?

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clever:

was mounting over tcp

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sphery:

On one myth system I maintain, the NFS server sometimes seems to forget that the client has shares mounted. Then the client can't unmount, so the client machine can't be shut down or rebooted without cleaning up the mess... I've been considering adding a -l -f to the unmount to see if it would recover that way.

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sphery:

I think you have to explicitly request TCP

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clever:

sphery: i use umount -flv alot when having problems

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clever:

and mine is defaulting to tcp mounting for all but 1 server

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wagnerrp:

sphery: im just looking at the default flags currently being used

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clever:

the udp only server is very old

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wagnerrp:

i wonder if forcing a specific IP will make a difference

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wagnerrp:

that machine has a number of aliased IPs

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wagnerrp:

seems thats recommended for my scenario

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wagnerrp:

well ill let that run for a while, and see if it still has issues

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wagnerrp:

well at least now that im not booting over nfs, i still have access to the system after the nfs server kicks offline

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aliby:

Does anyone know of a gnome panel indicator that will show when mythtv is recording (or something similar)?

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wagnerrp:

never heard of such a thing

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aliby:

:(

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aliby:

I'd like something like Windows MCE has where if it's recording, a little red circle pops up in the taskbar

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Batshua:

I somehow managed to break the connection between the frontend and the backend on my new mythbuntu install. The backend settings and .mythtv/config.xml are in agreement, as well as .mythtv/mysql.txt What is my next step?

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wagnerrp:

you broke the connection? as in it used to work?

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thefRont is now known as thefront

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wagnerrp:

usually connection issues are due to you using '127.0.0.1' as the backend, as opposed to a routeable IP

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Batshua:

right

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Batshua:

the backend and the frontend are the same box.

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wagnerrp:

well then it should just be mysql issues

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wagnerrp:

check your logs

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Batshua:

mmkay, moment.

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Batshua:

I don't see anything in mysql.log or mysql.err

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Batshua:

... as in, the files are blank.

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wagnerrp:

mythtv logs

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Batshua:

OH!

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Batshua:

okay.

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Batshua:

right, then.

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Batshua:

checking the right files might help a ibt

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mzb_xps_:

can anyone tell me a (reliable) way of determining if a recording is part of a series?

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Batshua:

how many lines floods on this server?

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wagnerrp:

if you have to ask, you shouldnt paste it

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wagnerrp:

thats why we have things like pastebin

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Batshua:

9 lins?

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wagnerrp:

pastebin

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wagnerrp:

anything more than 2–3 lines, and you should use pastebin

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Batshua:

http://rafb.net/p/mmGiqU48.html

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Batshua:

that's the error I keep getting

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wagnerrp:

yeah, wrong mysql credentials

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Batshua:

okay, how I can fix that?

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Batshua:

I don't know how I manage to do these things to myself

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wagnerrp:

make sure the config.xml file is correct

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Batshua:

it matches up the settings in the backend setup

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Batshua:

and it matches up mysql.txt

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wagnerrp:

are you sure thats the file youre using?

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wagnerrp:

perhaps youre looking at files under the wrong user name

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Batshua:

... there's only me.

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wagnerrp:

well whatever the reason, it cannot log on

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wagnerrp:

if youre using binaries, it is very unlikely a software issue

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wagnerrp:

resulting in config files that dont match what mysql is looking for

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wagnerrp:

if you completely delete those files, and have set up a upnp pin in mythtv-setup

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wagnerrp:

you can have the frontend auto-detect the backend

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wagnerrp:

and automatically set up those files where it expects them to be

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wagnerrp:

are you sure the backend is actually running, and not just spamming the same errors to the log file?

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riddlebox:

is there an easy way to convert any file that is recorded from nuv to mpeg?

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wagnerrp:

ffmpeg should do it

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wagnerrp:

just use 'copy' as the codecs used

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mike_hurley:

question about image slideshow...is it possible to have the slideshow run off a memory card w/o importing the images to the images directory?

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mike_hurley:

for instance if you have a guest showing you pictures and you don't want a copy of them, just to see them in myth

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riddlebox:

wagnerrp, so do i create a user job but do i have to update the database or anything?

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wagnerrp:

i would imagine you could just add the mount path to the list of folders used by mythgallery

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wagnerrp:

you may need to have it rescan

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wagnerrp:

ive never actually used mythgallery

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wagnerrp:

riddlebox: there is very little need to ever touch the database yourself

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wagnerrp:

user jobs can be set up in mythtv-setup

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mike_hurley:

is there a way to have myth not do the theme image pre-scaling at each start? can't it save per screen resolution for later use?

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Batshua:

yeargh.

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wagnerrp:

mike_hurley: you can change the number of resolutions it stores

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wagnerrp:

its in the frontend setting

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wagnerrp:

s

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Batshua:

so, the internet died.

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riddlebox:

wagnerrp, well i want to use my media mvp to view the recordings

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Batshua:

Did you say something after whatever I said last?

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Batshua:

I'm not even sure what all came through

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wagnerrp:

riddlebox: then youre likely going to need to do more than repack, youll need to transcode it using ffmpeg

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wagnerrp:

either way, a userjob could do it

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wagnerrp:

Batshua: are you sure the backend is actually running, and not just spamming the same error to its log file?

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Batshua:

no, i am not sure.

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Batshua:

how do I check?

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Batshua:

i am actually thinking more than anything, that it is possible I cannot get the backend running

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wagnerrp:

look at the log file...

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wagnerrp:

you should have separate frontend and backend log files

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Batshua:

that I do

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Batshua:

although the frontend has never actually worked too well

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Batshua:

so i'm not sure what the log will tell me that is of use

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riddlebox:

wagnerrp, i guess i could transcode it and mv it to the videos dir and just view it from there

[02:34:46]

wagnerrp:

Batshua: does the log seem to end on something good? or does it have the same mysql errors?

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Batshua:

same errors

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Batshua:

also killing client?

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wagnerrp:

if the frontend and backend are on the same machine, and have the same mysql credentials, and the frontend cannot connect to mysql

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wagnerrp:

chances are the backend cannot connect either

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Batshua:

oh dear.

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Batshua:

what can I do to fix it?

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wagnerrp:

figure out why your config.xml does not match what mysql wants

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wagnerrp:

usually in mysql, you would do a "grant all on mythconverg.* to 'mythtv'@'localhost' identified by 'mythtv';"

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wagnerrp:

for a user and password of both mythtv

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Batshua:

Error 1044 (42000): Access denied for user ''@'localhost' to database 'mythconverg'

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wagnerrp:

why are you logging in with no username?

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Batshua:

i am unsure. i set one.

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Batshua:

it should be there.

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Batshua:

i typed it as you said...

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Batshua:

and... i can't do anything in synaptic, either.

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Batshua:

wow. my computer hates me.

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Batshua:

and this was a fresh install!

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J-e-f-f-A:

[ot] Snowfall so far this season: 54.1" – Average is normally: 24.1"

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J-e-f-f-A:

Global warming???

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tank-man:

sure

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mikeones:

anyone seen schedualdirect take more that two days to reactivate an account?

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** J-e-f-f-A has never let his lapse... ;-) **

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BassKozz:

What is tearing? I've heard alot of people complain about tearing with VDPAU, but what is it?

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jams:

BassKozz this is a severe case of tearing http://dsnimg.dell.com/images/external/images . . . /monitor.jpg

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jams:

hopefully you can spot the problem

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BassKozz:

got it, thanks jams

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wagnerrp:

seems i may be the latest victim of VDPAU

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wagnerrp:

or... i may just be a victim of shoddy Sparkle engineering

[04:30:32]

wagnerrp:

actually, the card seems to work fine, maybe the svideo output went bad

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wagnerrp:

ooh, 'serious error detected in video output'

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wagnerrp:

sounds ominous

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wagnerrp:

sounds like a good time for a RMA

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wagnerrp:

well it seems ive got a year to replace it

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BassKozz:

what sparkle card are you using?

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wagnerrp:

8400 PCI

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BassKozz:

I've got a Sparkle 8400 GS 512MB PCI

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wagnerrp:

yep

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BassKozz:

512 or 256?

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wagnerrp:

the one with the oversized heatsink

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BassKozz:

They both have heaksinks: http://tinyurl.com/avstoq

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wagnerrp:

anyway, yes the 512MB version

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BassKozz:

Maybe I should test my s-vid port :O

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wagnerrp:

VGA too

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wagnerrp:

its a rendering issue, not an output issue

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BassKozz:

VGA is working fine on mine, but I havent tested S-vid or HDMI

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iamlindoro:

Heh. Thu, Feb 5, 09:00 PM to 09:31 PM (91 mins)

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wagnerrp:

that looks... broken

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iamlindoro:

Curse you Pentium math!

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wagnerrp:

although the pentium math would be like 31.0001239283 mins

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iamlindoro:

You and your jokes needing to make sense

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wagnerrp:

:P

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mag0o:

heh, thats the opposite problem that lee has

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mag0o:

maybe your cable co put in some extra frames ;)

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wagnerrp:

definately borked vdpau, xv works fine... but slow...

[04:45:55]

wagnerrp:

lee seems to be losing frames between the cable line and the firewire port

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wagnerrp:

thats more of a psychological issue

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mag0o:

ha

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iamlindoro:

So funny... it's *only* the office that exhibits that (and they're upcoming)

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iamlindoro:

this week and next, both show as 1:31

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Gumby:

anyone here use hdmi audio with nvidia? I just installed a new 9400 GT and my TV is picking up the audio through hdmi but it just making very weird noises (amlost like the old atari video game defender or something where you are bombing things)

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wagnerrp:

well a reboot seems to temporarily fix my issue

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wagnerrp:

lets see how long i can run before the screen borks up

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wagnerrp:

maybe... 30 seconds

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wagnerrp:

that time lasted a good 3 minutes

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mag0o:

wagnerrp, just for reference, i had that happen with a 5200 (obviously not vdpau related) where my s-video output died, but the vga output was still alive and kicking

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wagnerrp:

yeah, VGA is hosed, and im sure if i tried DVI, that would be hosed too

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wagnerrp:

X is not hung, pulling 100% CPU

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wagnerrp:

and it seems to be immune to a -9

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wagnerrp:

lets see if i can break it running Xv

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wagnerrp:

BassKozz: did you say VDPAU was working fine on your (same) card?

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BassKozz:

wagnerrp: yup, for VGA at least

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BassKozz:

like I said I haven't tried DVI or svid

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wagnerrp:

im just wondering if i should return or replace

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BassKozz:

Well, I can tell you that mine works flawlessly on all of the test videos here: ... 1 sec...

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wagnerrp:

if it works on VGA, thats good enough

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BassKozz:

http://blog.mymediasystem.net/avchd/vdpau-the . . . eleration/3/

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BassKozz:

all of those videos w/ less then 10% cpu usage on my P4 2.4ghz

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wagnerrp:

to be honest, i was a bit concerned with the heatsink when i pulled it out of the box

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wagnerrp:

it doesnt seem very secure

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wagnerrp:

installing nvclock currently to watch the temps

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BassKozz:

let me know how it goes

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wagnerrp:

well its idling at 51C

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RyeBrye_:

BassKozz: on a PCI card?

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BassKozz:

yup

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RyeBrye_:

cool

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wagnerrp:

vdpau causes no visible increase in temp

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wagnerrp:

trying a clean video

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wagnerrp:

its possible my ATSC stream was errored, and VDPAU just doesnt like it

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wagnerrp:

nope, just lost it

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BassKozz:

bummer, must be a bad card, I would RMA it...

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BassKozz:

how long ago did you purchase, and from where?

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wagnerrp:

newegg, few days before you

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BassKozz:

They will probably exchange it for you

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Shadow__X:

what gpu

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wagnerrp:

oh im sure they will

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BassKozz:

NewEgg customer service FTW

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wagnerrp:

8400GS PCI

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Shadow__X:

ah

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Shadow__X:

i got one of thems pci-e

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BassKozz:

Shadow__X: show off

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Shadow__X:

oh please my setup isnt fancy

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BassKozz:

my Mobo doesn't have pci-e :(

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Shadow__X:

i built a new server not too long ago

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BassKozz:

I am using an old Compaq EVO D50s I bought used off a local college

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** BassKozz is cheap **

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BassKozz:

$30 used :-P

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Shadow__X:

i am cheap too but when you need more space and your current comp is maxxed out

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Shadow__X:

not to many options

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BassKozz:

agree'd, I am just messin :P

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wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: buy a drive controller?

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Shadow__X:

one of my friends works at a local recycling plant i get my pick of thrown out comps got afew p4s from him

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp, had one wasnt fast enough using pci

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Shadow__X:

had to many issues so built a new server dedicated to mythtv/file server /soon to be webserver/project server

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BassKozz:

Alright guys, it's past my bed time, I'll catch up with you all later... wagnerrp I wish you luck with the sparkle card, I hope it works out, give the Egg a call they'll make it all better :-P

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BassKozz:

Later

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wagnerrp:

i guess im back to trying to get xvmc working

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wagnerrp:

night

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Shadow__X:

night

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dmz:

hey anyone know if it's possible to increase the audio level of my recordings other than alsa? i have a pvr500

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aliby:

Does anyone know of a gnome panel indicator that will show when mythtv is recording (or something similar) that is like Windows MCE?

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aliby:

's little red dot in the taskbar?

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dmz:

aliby i don't know of any but if you find one let us know it's an interesting idea

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aliby:

dmz yeah, it'd be nice so I dont, y'know, reboot my tower (server) which acts as my desktop + mythtv backend...

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aliby:

especially when it's recording

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wagnerrp:

pull up the status page, port 6543

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strex:

So, for some reasons my shows are recording a minute or so early. I'm using schedules direct, and ntpdate is current. Any suggestions?

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sphery:

iamlindoro: Pushing Daisies' Chuck (Anna Friel) is starring in the movie Land of the Lost (5 Jun 09). Preview in tonight's 30 Rock.

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wagnerrp:

i saw Capt'n Reynolds has a new show

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sphery:

Nathan Fillion?

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wagnerrp:

hes a writer or something that teams up with a detective

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sphery:

Wonder Woman (2009)?

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sphery:

There's a show Castle that's probably the one you saw.

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wagnerrp:

yeah, castle, i saw a preview for it

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sphery:

sounds pretty good--and it's not cable only :)

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wagnerrp:

only 8 episodes listed

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wagnerrp:

i wonder if it will go the way of New Amsterdam

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sphery:

if it's good, I'm sure it will

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wagnerrp:

all interesting/different shows must die?

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wagnerrp:

we must make room for more misreality tv!

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wagnerrp:

we could lock a bunch of competing models together in a house... with a rabid wolverine!

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sphery:

exactly

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wagnerrp:

i would watch it

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justinh:

bah can't be bothered to see who made be go 'bing'

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justinh:

if it was important they'll call me back

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justinh:

heh. another 'motorists escape death in car snow death trap' story with a picture of cars standing among about an inch of snow on the road.

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anykey_:

justinh: made any progress yesterday?

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aarcane:

I'm looking to get my mythtv setup actually recording and watching live HDTV.

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aarcane:

I'm not sure if I should use firewire with my comcast (antelope, ca) HD recievers, or if I should just purchase a few HD tuner cards. Which is likely to produce better results and more recordable channels ?

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wagnerrp:

theres no such thing as an HD tuner card

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wagnerrp:

anyway, youre likely to pick up more channels over firewire than over QAM

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aarcane:

newegg begs to differ. Several of these cards advertise the ability to capture 1080i among others.

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wagnerrp:

check the silicon dust website for a QAM lineup in your area

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aarcane:

I checked them out, they have about 90 some odd channels, most are duplicates.

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wagnerrp:

aarcane: there are HD capture cards, but there is no such thing as an HD tuner card

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aarcane:

so firewire is the way to go then ?

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wagnerrp:

check the silicon dust website, see what youre likely to pick up over QAM

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wagnerrp:

there are digital tuners, but digital is not synonymous with HD

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jroysdon:

I've a PVR500 which was working fine on both /dev/video0 & /dev/video1. I've added a PVR1600, and now it looks like /dev/video0 is broken, and I'm not sure what I need to add the new PVR1600 as... thoughts?

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wagnerrp:

digital just means you pick up a digital feed

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wagnerrp:

whether that is SD or HD is irrelevant

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jroysdon:

http://pastebin.com/d616b9f92

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jroysdon:

More 1600 output : http://pastebin.com/d7f7b7ddc

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Gumby:

does anyone here use hdmi audio? Is the proper way to connect the spdif from the mobo to the video card?

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justinh:

anykey_: no, not on the variable width stuff

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justinh:

anykey_: I've not had a proper look at your patch yet, but I'm thinking that if not already there's gonna have to be a way of using the text string width

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justinh:

gonna have a look right now :)

[07:20:30]

justinh:

#6055 wasn't it?

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justinh:

hmm. the problem for me might be that the text area in a button is a child of the button itself

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justinh:

everything in mythuibuttonlist.cpp works on the parent button I think. dunno if the child width is available. I'd expect it to be possible, just don't know how yet

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justinh:

ah ok. I _think_ that instead of getting the "buttonitem" of every item in the buttonlist & putting it into a dynamic cast that we could instead get the texarea, then operate with that

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justinh:

I'll have a dig in doxygen & see what class would be needed

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anykey_:

I thought I was using the text string width somehow :D

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justinh:

anykey_: what does SetDrawRectSize(stringSize.width(), m_Area.height()) actually do in your patch.. does it change the area of the actual button item?

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anykey_:

justinh: No, I think it changes the size of the textarea (but only the width)

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justinh:

duh that's what I meant

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justinh:

hmm I wonder, if getArea() will always return the largest item or if the children of the button get clipped by it

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justinh:

I'll experiment

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justinh:

if that is the case, it'll make life much easier :)

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anykey_:

ok, sorry I can't help you right now, need to do some work here :)

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justinh:

no worries :)

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justinh:

right. now got active & selected widths to work with different sizes :)

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justinh:

okay. looks to my untrained eye like the child items have a say in the overall area too

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Gumby:

if my backend is running 0.21 can I run a 0.22 frontend ?

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justinh:

absolutely not

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** Gumby never knows whether or not to take justinh seriously **

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justinh:

cool, I was right about the child items' area :)

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justinh:

Gumby: absolutely not

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Gumby:

lol

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Gumby:

ok

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justinh:

you CANNOT mix versions. EVER

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hads:

Except when you can

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Gumby:

lol

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hads:

But .22 and .21? No

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justinh:

just say in general you can't. saves people trying to do retarded stuff

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Gumby:

ok, thats good to know

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** Gumby should maybe play with .22 on a seperate frontend and make it into a standalone box **

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justinh:

anykey_: so, in conjunction with your patch, 'all' I have to do now is make my hack get the area of every button as opposed to what I do now :)

[08:01:45]

justinh:

in theory

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justinh:

oh gawd, so looking forward to being able to do aeon style menus

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wagnerrp:

aeon?

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justinh:

buttons of non-fixed sizes :)

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justinh:

http://www.aeonproject.com/images.php

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justinh:

actually that's just a horizontal menu. nothing variable width about it by the look of that shot

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justinh:

wagnerrp: anyway, it's hopefully gonna allow horizontal lists like the one at the top in this shot: http://dmesg.ch/mythtv/files/concept/recordings1.png

[08:08:38]

justinh:

space saving :)

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anykey_:

yeah, and better looking

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justinh:

right, so 'all' I need do now is work out how to get the area of each button in the list in turn

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anykey_:

good to put all in quotes then ;)

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justinh:

well, I'm already setting the position of every button in the list, so it shouldn't be hard. hahahahha. I said shouldn't there. whoops

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justinh:

ah. something like width = button->GetArea.width();

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justinh:

then x = lastx + width + m_itemHorizSpacing;

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justinh:

oh crap. forgot I'm supposed to be somewhere this afternoon

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laga:

justinh: at work? ;)

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justinh:

lol

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justinh:

no I'm at work

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justinh:

hospital is where I'm going. regular appointment so they can let me have more red pills

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laga:

good old prozac? ;)

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justinh:

nah, it for stuff I'd rather not talk about in a logged IRC channel :)

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laga:

heh ;)

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justinh:

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justinh:

wth? heh I should lock my workstation before cleanig mouse/keyboard

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lyricnz:

eh?

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justinh:

grrr. I hate that guy

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jduggan:

jesus!

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jduggan:

i havent seen snow like this since i was a kid

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justinh:

that's more like it :)

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justinh:

all our snow is gone now :(

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jduggan:

we had about 6" yesterday and probably have had 4" this morning, its comin down hard at the moment still

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justinh:

ugh. what kind of breakage is this?

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justinh:

hrm. wonder what's up with this

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justinh:

button width isn't being changed by the text area width :-\

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stuarta:

\o/ it's snowing again!

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justinh:

anykey_: I think there's something wrong with the concept here

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justinh:

looks like setting the draw size isn't doing the biz

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justinh:

well, it _sort_ _of_ is, but I can't seem to get the size of that area

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gbee:

textareas have two sizes, the drawable area, which is normally the <area> but changes when scrolling etc to crop the text

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gbee:

iirc his patch changes the drawrect, not the area

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gbee:

incorrectly I might add

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grokky:

Mmmm. I had everything working well on kernel 2.6.24 , but myth playback on 2.6.27 (and 2.2.25 for that matter) seems to be more inefficient. I could *just* get away with certain settings previously, which now result in dropped frames on later kernels. I wonder why.

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oj_:

hey so im having trouble installing my tuner card its a Leadtek 1800H (all i could get). what is the actual process for install tuner cards, ie do i put files in a certain folder, or run this or that

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justinh:

gbee: ahhh I was wondering about that. thanks for clearing that up :)

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justinh:

and now, lunch

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justinh:

heh. in over my head again

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justinh:

ahh. gbee – does the drawself method in mythuitype use recursion or is it just iterating each child?

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shadash:

check this out... :-) http://www.slashgear.com/logitech-harmony-110 . . . ale-0633282/

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shadash:

It's like a camera and a remote fused into one

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justinh:

that remote cost more than my frontend

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shadash:

mayby you're frontend was too cheap

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shadash:

it's even got a charge cradle

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justinh:

don't see anything about a camera in there either

[14:14:36]

shadash:

It's not a camera

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shadash:

just the size of one

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justinh:

14:12 < shadash> It's like a camera and a remote fused into one

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justinh:

500 bucks is a lot to lay out for a remote though

[14:15:21]

shadash:

sigh... It's like a camera and a remote =! a camera

[14:15:34]

JEDIDIAH__:

you can almost get an entire mac for that much.

[14:15:38]

justinh:

that's not what I said

[14:15:45]

shadash:

prices will come down

[14:15:51]

shadash:

and others will copy it

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justinh:

I doubt anybody'll do a reasonable job of copying it

[14:16:27]

justinh:

look at the universal remote shower now & it's all a bit erm.. hmmm. what's the word.. crappy

[14:16:37]

shadash:

I know

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shadash:

but the hardware is getting closer and closer to being usable

[14:17:14]

JEDIDIAH__:

remotes in general seem like they're an afterthought.

[14:18:12]

shadash:

Well they prob work fine for what they're designed to do

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justinh:

ooo joy. have to go shopping for food now. so much for the afternoon off :(

[14:18:31]

shadash:

my guess is that few hardware designers run myth

[14:20:32]

shadash:

I just remember the "old" days when when there was literally NOTHING decent in a remote to use with myth

[14:20:47]

shadash:

now at least there's some stuff coming out

[14:30:57]

Dibblah:

There's always the MCE remote.

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JEDIDIAH__:

I don't like the MCE remotes. Tiny buttons...

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JEDIDIAH__:

Tivo remotes are kind of cool though (just have to integrate the buggers)

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pomaranca:

anyone installed mythtv streaming server from shell?

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pomaranca:

any opinions on Hauppauge HVR-1300?

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justinh:

whee how much fun is it possible to have on a friday afternoon?

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justinh:

pomaranca: it's a hybrid card isn't it? personally I'd prefer a dual tuner digital card :)

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justinh:

hybrids are a bit of a waste of time IMHO. what's the point of having analogue & digital if you can only use one part at a time?

[15:31:22]

pomaranca:

yes it's a hybrid card, i'd also prefer a dual tuner so i could watch two programs at once

[15:31:54]

iamlindoro:

LETS BUILD STBS IT WILL BE EASY

[15:32:06]

iamlindoro:

What a bunch of hopeless maroons

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justinh:

fwiw I'd go with a dual tuner digi card :) analogue is dead to me

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pomaranca:

but let's say it's an investment for the near future, when there will only be digital broadcasting

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: heh

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justinh:

iamlindoro: I scribbed a design on the back of a cig packet, and it's off to the contract manufacturer on a sale-or-return basis, so I only have to pay $10 upfront :D

[15:33:03]

Dibblah:

Oh, deep and meaningful joy.

[15:33:17]

Dibblah:

Mr Avenard strikes again.

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, attempted to distill all the reasons it *will not happen* in my last response, don't expect it to make any difference in the relentless drive to duct tape something together/get sued.

[15:33:28]

Dibblah:

MythMusic should be like an iPod!

[15:33:36]

Dibblah:

Let's design a theme to do that.

[15:33:47]

justinh:

the snag is, I have a few pallets of h,264 decoder chips left over

[15:33:52]

Dibblah:

Cmon... What are you waiting for, let's do it!

[15:34:28]

justinh:

oh, you mean all mythtv has been waiting for to make it easier/better to use is just a theme? damn, I've been wasting all that time

[15:35:32]

Dibblah:

Indeed.

[15:35:53]

Dibblah:

I can see that this guy has spent literally _seconds_ poring over the codebase.

[15:36:04]

GreyFoxx:

Shiva ?

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justinh:

iamlindoro: the big reason it won't happen is that anybody who has the aptitude/inclination to actually _do_ anything already knows what's involved. Leaving the 'me want stb too' posse to er.. do nothing :)

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Dibblah:

And if we don't make his theme, that time is wasted! Wasted, I tell you!

[15:36:32]

Dibblah:

GreyFoxx: Avenard.

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GreyFoxx:

ahh

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justinh:

well, it'd be nice to be able to switch to a simpler UI paradigm for some things, but if anybody has a few tens of gigs worth of music it might take a wee while to scroll through that many items

[15:38:59]

Dibblah:

One thing which I was considering looking at is ballistic pgup/dn

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Perhaps an easy comprimise would be to add the ability to press a letter to jump to that section... ;-)

[15:39:22]

Dibblah:

But... I really don't have the time or the skills.

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iamlindoro:

justinh, Yes, the "if we vote long enough on something it's bound to happen" thing is a little silly

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justinh:

Dibblah: I've wondered how those are done

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro: I think it gives more weight to expanding the "UI" capabilities of the UPnP interface. — Assuming there's some sort of 'standard' – like HTTPU – that most UPnP media players adhere to...

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justinh:

*often wondered

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Dibblah:

How do you mean? It's just based on how long the button is held down.

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justinh:

I mean how it *works*

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Dibblah:

Speed of scrolling is incremented by the button being held down.

[15:43:12]

Dibblah:

Then tapered at the end so as to avoid a jolt.

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justinh:

but keypresses (and remote presses) don't have lengths of presses

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Dibblah:

Yes, they do.

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justinh:

remote presses don't

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Dibblah:

Yes, they do.

[15:43:52]

Dibblah:

It's likely that the LIRC layer in Myth ignores them.

[15:43:58]

Dibblah:

Or it isn't exposed.

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justinh:

well, you'd likely have to measure the number of 'hits' in a given time

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Dibblah:

No.

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Dibblah:

A repeat is different to a press.

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Dibblah:

On 99% of remotes.

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justinh:

irw repeats, it doesn't output one long press

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Dibblah:

Do you have a box there?

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justinh:

yup

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Dibblah:

Run IRW.

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Dibblah:

And hold a button down.

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Dibblah:

irw, even

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justinh:

hold a button down, it shows repeats

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Dibblah:

Look at the number counting up.

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clever:

i think irw is just cat for unix sockets

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clever:

so that should be the raw protocol

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Dibblah:

clever: Thanks for that.

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clever:

(meaning that irw isnt translating it any)

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Dibblah:

Actually, it does interpret the result.

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clever:

ahh

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justinh:

ooo never noticed that before :)

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Dibblah:

Of course, some remotes *SUCK* bigtime.

[15:46:57]

Dibblah:

And you couldn't use it raw.

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justinh:

let those with sucky remotes have the suck :)

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justinh:

we can't hold features back apologising for people with crap hardware

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Dibblah:

Oh no – Sorry :(

[15:48:27]

Dibblah:

I really, really didn't mean for you to look at this.

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justinh:

why?

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Dibblah:

Just look at this pen.

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Dibblah:

It'll only take a moment.

[15:48:57]

Dibblah:

Because you're meant to be theming!

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Dibblah:

;)

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justinh:

pfft

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** Dibblah watches justinh put his coding hat on again. **

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justinh:

Dibblah: I have unfinished business in the code, still

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** Dibblah dons his wizard cloak and hat. **

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justinh:

any more of this & people will start to get the idea I do feature requests

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justinh:

might take a few years :P

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justinh:

anyway, this button stuff is my reason d'etre at the mo but my head's a shed & I'm struggling

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jams:

nice logo => http://sqlfairy.sourceforge.net/

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justinh:

gah!

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Dagmar:

horrible, horrible logo

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shadash:

jams: that logo is awesome

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shadash:

you have to know your audience

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justinh:

hope their code isn't as ugly as their logo ;)

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justinh:

it's well drawn & all.. but the subject.. lol

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olejl:

Hi I'm (still) don't understand how my provider (Showtimearabia) is transmitting their EPG information. I have tried some things with dvbsnoop, but I really dont know what I'm looking for. http://pastebin.com/m7b85533a

[15:59:27]

olejl:

can anyone give me any hints?

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shadash:

Here's a neat little hand held http://www.slashgear.com/lg-lba-c300-bluetoot . . . one-0633336/

[16:05:03]

shadash:

keyboard

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iamlindoro_:

That logo has the emo hair and face of early IT career, with the gut and crossdressing of late IT career

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justinh:

well, at least I succeeded in my previous goal before the week was out

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justinh:

this is truly a crash course

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iamlindoro_:

All my code is a crash course, emphasis on the crash

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justinh:

actually I've not caused a segfault so far yet

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ivor:

J-e-f-f-A|work: re earlier comment – yeah the VIA vx800 is supposed to have vc1/h264 decoding.

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: Neither has any of my latest stuff, but when I was working on the trailer stuff I caused a few beauties :)

[16:22:02]

iamlindoro_:

justinh: (all pre-commit mind you)

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justinh:

heh I should hope so too

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justinh:

well, this is giving my brain a workout, the likes of which it hasn't had in yaaars

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ivor:

trying to write your name in joined-up letters?

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jduggan:

LOL

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justinh:

kinda :)

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jduggan:

:P

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justinh:

eep. it's 4.30 already

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ivor:

wow and you're still at work!

[16:31:03]

justinh:

no I left at 11.15

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justinh:

been to hoppytal :)

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iamlindoro_:

"You know, that Myka box someone posted about (myka.tv) looks like it might have what we need."

[16:32:17]

iamlindoro_:

Amazing, that Myka box must be filled with non-sequentially numbered untraceable hundred dollar bills and a free insurance policy

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ivor:

justinh: oh dear! what happened?

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iamlindoro_:

because I have yet to see anyone volunteer to pay for all this...

[16:32:44]

justinh:

ivor: kinda routine stuff, not directly related to health per se

[16:33:14]

ivor:

justinh: ah ok. no broken arm in embarassing ice skating related incident injury then.

[16:33:23]

justinh:

heh nope

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ivor:

iamlindoro_: ah the smell of astro-turf in the morning...

[16:34:07]

justinh:

hey I have a small wall-mountable box

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justinh:

I could stick one of my spare case badgers on the front & take some photos of it next to a HDTV, with a mocked-up screen

[16:34:45]

justinh:

get investors all hot about it

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ivor:

tempting business model.

[16:35:26]

iamlindoro_:

"Myka + BitTorrent = TorrentTV"

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iamlindoro_:

Yeah. Sounds like the PERFECT Myth box.

[16:36:02]

iamlindoro_:

The boxes sole purpose seems to be for the stealy file squirrels

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justinh:

ooo. html UI. lovely I'm sure. welcome to 1992

[16:38:54]

justinh:

same chipset as Sky HD boxes though

[16:40:59]

justinh:

and same problem as the notional 'stb' – getting chips in numbers & open sourcing drivers. finding a suitable device that doesn't have silly $15,000 dev kit costs, NDAs etc

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iamlindoro_:

Of COURSE people come up with this bright idea at the dawn of VDPAU-capable *real* cheap, capable frontends

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justinh:

VDPAU notwithstanding I'd still love an embedded solution but let's be realistic

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justinh:

not gonna happen

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iamlindoro_:

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[16:42:34]

iamlindoro_:

That's the users list, all ideas, no bucks

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justinh:

you'd have to shift hundreds of thousands of units for them to become cheap enough to be worthwhile

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iamlindoro_:

Still waiting for someone to tell me who's going to insure it/pay for the dev costs

[16:43:28]

justinh:

there are ways to make certification easier

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justinh:

that said, it's never _easy_

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iamlindoro_:

and in *every* locale

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justinh:

at minimum, CE marking, FCC approval, maybe UL too

[16:44:14]

justinh:

EMC testing...

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wagnerrp:

awww... new video card and hard drive doesnt come until monday

[16:44:44]

justinh:

though you could set up a slush fund & just dont do any approvals :P

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justinh:

china style

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justinh:

wonder what the penalty for selling non-type approved kit is in the US

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iamlindoro_:

federal pound me in the a** prison

[16:50:24]

iamlindoro_:

You might get away with losing your house if it doesn't burn down any buildings

[16:50:37]

iamlindoro_:

but woe unto you if someone gets hurt because you're a dummy

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justinh:

forgot – HDMI certs, USB certs.. if you wanna use the logo, that is. $10,000 per, non-negotiable IIRC

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justinh:

and now back to meddling in things I don't understand :)

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iamlindoro_:

Yay for "idea men"

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jstew:

I

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justinh:

U

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jstew:

I'm building a new system and I want it to be able to play 1080p fairly easily, maybe blu-ray in the future if that situation improves. How would I fare with a AMD 5400+?

[17:06:30]

jstew:

Sorry, my thumb prematurely ejaculated my sentence.

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justinh:

so, 1080p h.264 to the max++++ then :)

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jstew:

yeah, I have a VDPAU compatible card with VC-1 but I'm not really counting on that to become really stable soon

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GreyFoxx:

jstew: A 5400++ should be fine

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GreyFoxx:

I've yet to encounter anything that was too much for my 5200+ to play

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jstew:

Cool. I was considering quad core, but money is starting to become an issue.

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iamlindoro_:

Anyway, most Blu is actually h.264, only Warner Brothers is really sticking to VC-1... but if you have a VDPAU capable card I would expect that about the time .22 comes out it should be perfectly usable (although probably still some quirks)

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iamlindoro_:

But VDPAU aside that processor with adequate RAM and nvidia closed source drivers should be able to handle most authentic blu ray material (not counting internet pirated stuff where they completely ruin its ability to play by using incorrect transcoding options)

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jstew:

I have my doubts whether blu ray playback will ever become user friendly with linux

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justinh:

rip+++

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iamlindoro_:

At most it'll probably only become as user friendly as DVD playback is now-- which is not so much

[17:14:44]

iamlindoro_:

and yeah, currently it's rip *some* in linux, or preferably, rip in windows and copy over

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justinh:

watchmainmovie.cpp :)

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iamlindoro_:

So anyway, for folks wanting an Apple TV form factor VDPAU box but don't want to wait on ION or want more power than an atom, this is available in about a week: http://pc.wowgoldur.com/2009/01/23/official-z . . . oard-thread/

[17:17:14]

jstew:

dvd playback is not bad with the correct libraries installed. Xine is nice.

[17:17:34]

jstew:

The internal player is not half bad anymore either

[17:17:35]

iamlindoro_:

It's "meh" at best compared to windows solutions

[17:17:50]

GreyFoxx:

I gotta disagree

[17:17:51]

iamlindoro_:

Yes, Internal does a good job (up under libdvdnav is confused by a modern title)

[17:17:59]

iamlindoro_:

er up until

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GreyFoxx:

I've got 2 discs where myth doesn't handle the menus correctly

[17:18:22]

GreyFoxx:

other than that out of hundreds of discs they all play in the internal player

[17:18:56]

justinh:

wow. I shelled out all that cash for a mobile cpu for what?

[17:18:57]

GreyFoxx:

And those 2 are Family guy discs where the submenus background image isn't always redrawn correctly

[17:19:17]

iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx: We do have a fair contingent who have quite a number that won't play at all (although that may be ameliorated with a dvdnav resync)

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: Most I've heard of with problems are Disney discs which to behonest I don't have a lot of. And the ones I have get ripped to the HD, or the $5 cheap kids entertainment discs

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iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx: I too rip everything, as you know. But to deny that a licensed, compliant software player does a better job in general is disingenuous... and you know I love Myth :)

[17:21:04]

GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: Any idea what thos eboards are gonna go for ?

[17:21:26]

iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx: Their current model that it is replacing was $139, so I would expect about the same

[17:21:27]

GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: I've honestly had more problems using various windows players than myth

[17:21:32]

GreyFoxx:

MUCH more problems

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justinh:

nice

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jstew:

I rip most of my disks anyway. I probably wouldn't do that with blu ray due to the time involved though

[17:21:42]

GreyFoxx:

especially since Vista came along :)

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iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx: I've never had PowerDVD fail on anything

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GreyFoxx:

I've never used powerdvd :)

[17:22:24]

GreyFoxx:

They came out with a Linux version once. But it only worked with TurboLinux

[17:22:29]

GreyFoxx:

too bad they didn't keep that up

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iamlindoro_:

Yeah, I remember that one

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jstew:

I don't suppose that blu-ray ripping works with wine due to the DRM right?

[17:23:03]

iamlindoro_:

Correct. You can make AnyDVD HD work in VMWare, however.

[17:23:31]

iamlindoro_:

And it's not the DRM that prevents it from working in WINE, but the ability to directly/adequately access the drive at the hardware level

[17:23:36]

GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: Any idea what those boards are gonna go for? I want an ion based board but I might get one of those to play with if the price is right

[17:23:46]

iamlindoro_:

"iamlindoro_: GreyFoxx: Their current model that it is replacing was $139, so I would expect about the same"

[17:23:56]

GreyFoxx:

thanks, missed that :)

[17:23:58]

iamlindoro_:

;)

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iamlindoro_:

I would expect the trickier part would be finding a nice looking low price Mini ITX case

[17:24:21]

jstew:

What does the direct access do? key exchanges?

[17:24:47]

GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: I know what kind of case I WANT, but I imagine I'll shove them into my msntv2's stb shells

[17:24:54]

iamlindoro_:

Ask Slysoft

[17:25:09]

GreyFoxx:

I want a thermaltake mozart sx 7001 for my main playback systems

[17:25:19]

GreyFoxx:

and use themsntv2's for the cases of the rest

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iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx: Do you own/have you seen in person those Mozart cases?

[17:26:27]

jstew:

What's the general opinion on the antec nfusion? PITA to get the VFD working correctly?

[17:26:33]

GreyFoxx:

No, just the photos

[17:26:46]

GreyFoxx:

I like the VFD, and front buttons

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iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx: They're *way* more plasticky looking in person

[17:26:52]

GreyFoxx:

oh?

[17:27:03]

GreyFoxx:

pfft I was hoping for the brushed metal look

[17:27:05]

iamlindoro_:

Yeah, everything that looks like brushed metal in the photos is actually matte plastic

[17:27:15]

GreyFoxx:

especially for that kinda money

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iamlindoro_:

jstew: There are lots of people who like the Fusions, and there are two display devices depending on model-- both can be made to work, and both have been working for long enough that it's not *that* much of a pain to get them working if you know what you're doing

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jstew:

Shouldn't be much of an issue then. I'm kind of looking for something that looks nice but is kind of cheap.

[17:28:56]

GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: Poo.

[17:29:12]

GreyFoxx:

I want a nice case that looks like standard video equipment, not a PC :)

[17:29:24]

GreyFoxx:

I care not for space for drives and such

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iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx: There's one on the shelf at my local Fry's that has easily been sitting there for four years. I don't want to dissuade you as I don't *own* one, but I've looked at it with raised eyebrows on many occasions :)

[17:29:28]

GreyFoxx:

since it'd be diskless

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justinh:

wonder what the hipermedia case is like with an external PSU & DC-DC converter

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iamlindoro_:

I have a Zalman HD 160 I really like, it's all metal

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GreyFoxx:

Got the volume knob hooked up ? :)

[17:30:27]

iamlindoro_:

yeah, it's an LIRC device

[17:30:34]

iamlindoro_:

(not that I ever touch it)

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jstew:

Hmm... I want something that has plenty of space. I made the mistake of buying something non standard for my last case... it's a PITA to fit everything in.

[17:30:49]

iamlindoro_:

I'm actually not using the case right now, it's sitting on the dining room floor, heh

[17:31:43]

GreyFoxx:

I want something "small" ... smaller than a PC case anyway, with a volume knob, made of metal, with exposable front ports for usb and memory cards

[17:32:04]

GreyFoxx:

Mine will be diskless so I don't need a lot of space other than for the board, CPU and a dvdrom

[17:32:15]

iamlindoro_:

Sure

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GreyFoxx:

and I'd go slimline if it came to it

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iamlindoro_:

I would consider the Zotac linked above if I could find a suitably small case

[17:32:32]

GreyFoxx:

And of course a VFD for display

[17:33:00]

GreyFoxx:

My Mother in law next door is tied into my myth setup

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jstew:

vfd is not that important to me. It's nice, but not the deal maker.

[17:33:13]

GreyFoxx:

and I was thinking of something small like a ionboard for a new frontend for her

[17:33:16]

iamlindoro_:

I hate when they ruin the Mini ITX form factor by mounting everything side-by-side

[17:33:24]

jstew:

I like the looks of the silverstone LC-17 too

[17:34:36]

iamlindoro_:

UHHHHHHHH http://mini-itx.com/91558194

[17:34:57]

iamlindoro_:

More than meets the eye!

[17:35:28]

justinh:

eew

[17:36:03]

iamlindoro_:

I must admit that it's not too bad looking in the last pic

[17:36:13]

iamlindoro_:

Sort of like a Mini stereo component deck

[17:36:47]

iamlindoro_:

But what a curious idea

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dougl:

I cannot find where to put/edit "mplayer -ac hwac3,hwdts, -quiet %s" in mythtv config menus – can anyone help?

[17:45:42]

justinh:

utils/setup > setup > media settings > video > player

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justinh:

tada!

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iamlindoro_:

s/player/general/

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dougl:

iamlindoro, I go to setting player general and find no command line options?

[17:48:08]

justinh:

player

[17:48:18]

justinh:

player player player player

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iamlindoro_:

Yes, justinh wins ;)

[17:48:43]

iamlindoro_:

Curse his sudden but inevitable betrayal

[17:49:08]

iamlindoro_:

This is where one of us gurus should offer that you shouldn't use mplayer as your default player, blah blah

[17:49:26]

justinh:

iamlindoro_: like lambs, they are. lambs

[17:49:26]

dougl:

err no I don't = lost in the menus....

[17:50:16]

iamlindoro_:

justinh: Didn't remember that one because I wisely set everything to Internal long ago ;)

[17:50:59]

GreyFoxx:

Man, that dude is a dick

[17:51:13]

GreyFoxx:

(Latest email in the ipod theme thread)

[17:51:21]

justinh:

hmm. gratuitous tooting of coke & sex in Skins. Whoda thunk it? And McKenzie Crook

[17:51:50]

dougl:

player settings?

[17:51:58]

iamlindoro_:

"it's unfortunate the new mythui has been such a major change ... it broke many things for the time being"

[17:51:59]

iamlindoro_:

Hahahah

[17:52:01]

iamlindoro_:

what a douche

[17:52:14]

GreyFoxx:

yeah

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GreyFoxx:

seriously

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iamlindoro_:

Never mind the massive effort involved in MythUI, the allegedly accepted notion of trunk as unstable, and the fact that I somehow manage to use my half-finished theme full-time in trunk

[17:53:42]

iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx: I guess he wants the UI to be magically blingtastic without any major changes ;)

[17:53:55]

justinh:

iamlindoro_: just edit the xml damnit

[17:54:11]

GreyFoxx:

iaml:

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: I'm editing as fast as I can!

[17:54:15]

justinh:

<transitions>TOTHEMAXBABY</transitions>

[17:54:22]

GreyFoxx:

It probably broke his favourite theme or something

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jams:

that email about pretending to change the volume is pretty good

[17:55:33]

iamlindoro_:

I guess he's the kind of guy who would bolt spinners and a spoiler onto his 1982 toyota Corolla

[17:55:38]

justinh:

awww </feignsympathy>

[17:55:51]

justinh:

whoah freaky deja-vu

[17:55:58]

jams:

Kevin's response was pretty good

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iamlindoro_:

jams: Yeah, "I'd rather do it right" where rather do it right = rather you do it right for me?

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dougl:

I cannot find the place to put the "mplayer -ac hwac3,hwdts, -quiet %s" options to enable spdif out – can someone enlighten me?

[17:56:51]

iamlindoro_:

christ on a crutch

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iamlindoro_:

"justinh: utils/setup > setup > media settings > video > player"

[17:57:16]

** justinh wonders if some people have problems finding doors in rooms **

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jams:

justinh- probably shouldn't admit this, but i'm one of those people. Ran into the wall last night on the way to bed.

[17:58:21]

justinh:

oops

[17:58:26]

jams:

i blame it on the lights being off

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** iamlindoro_ checks the straps on jams' helmet **

[17:58:52]

jams:

heh almost the same thing my wife said

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iamlindoro_:

Sometimes reading the users list feels like chasing ambuulances

[18:00:44]

iamlindoro_:

Just waiting to see what the next gruesome scene will look like

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[18:04:25]

Batshua:

Hey, y'all. I got a weird problem.

[18:05:03]

Batshua:

My backend and frontend are on the same machine. The IPs are both set to 127.0.0.1, but I am getting a connection timed out error in mythfilldatabase.

[18:05:17]

Batshua:

It says it can't connect to the backend.

[18:08:36]

jams:

ugh seems like all links on this webpage work except for the download option

[18:09:24]

Batshua:

On mythfrontend it says "could not connect to the master backend server — is it running? Is the IP address set for it in the setup program correct?"

[18:09:43]

Batshua:

Before I went to school, it was working. I came home, it's broken.

[18:12:08]

justinh:

there's a lesson right there ;)

[18:12:23]

Batshua:

What, don't go to school?

[18:12:27]

justinh:

is mythbackend still running?

[18:12:37]

Batshua:

lemme check

[18:12:57]

Batshua:

there is one instance of it running

[18:14:04]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Batshua: Do you get a status back if you go to http://localhost:6544/ ???

[18:15:08]

Batshua:

failed ot connect

[18:15:22]

justinh:

so methinks he not running :)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Batshua: so it's either not running, or something is wrong with it... restart it, and see what happens.

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justinh:

Batshua: how did you check if it's running or not?

[18:16:36]

Batshua:

ps aux | grep mythbackend

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justinh:

and it said?

[18:17:00]

Batshua:

I can't paste it because I'm on another computer but effectively

[18:17:08]

Batshua:

"i found one mythbackend and one grep mythbackend"

[18:17:23]

justinh:

ah ok :)

[18:17:48]

Batshua:

so what do I do, kill mythbackend and restart it, or is there a softer, gentler restart command?

[18:18:01]

justinh:

usually restart it via its init script

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olejl:

service mythbackend restart

[18:18:21]

justinh:

YDMV

[18:18:25]

justinh:

(your distro may vary)

[18:19:14]

Batshua:

doh. yeah, that one ain't working on mine. mythbuntu over here.

[18:19:29]

shadash:

ps -eaf | grep myth

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justinh:

sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend stop

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justinh:

and then start it :)

[18:20:14]

Batshua:

error: garbage option

[18:20:19]

Batshua:

mmkay, let's try that.

[18:21:08]

Batshua:

okay, and it's updating the device list...

[18:21:24]

justinh:

hmm?

[18:21:26]

Batshua:

I have "Error: Not an STB"

[18:21:36]

Batshua:

should I be Concerned?

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iamlindoro_:

I'm concerned

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justinh:

where's it posting that to? the terminal you're starting the init script from?

[18:22:07]

iamlindoro_:

Are you trying to do something with firewire or something?

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: That's error output from one of several firewire primer/channel changer commands, but should only be run as part of the ubuntu init script if one were to manually uncomment it

[18:24:27]

Batshua:

yes, in terminal

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: And ISTR if that part fails so does the backend init

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Batshua:

Yeah. I am using a firewire connect from my cable box to the mythbox

[18:25:47]

iamlindoro_:

Well, whatever you've done to set that up is wrong, as the init script tools to prime the connection are failing, and thus, so is your backend startup most likely

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iamlindoro_:

most likely because your provider ID or model ID for the box is not recognized

[18:27:57]

Batshua:

it were working before.

[18:27:58]

Batshua:

hm.

[18:28:17]

iamlindoro_:

it not are working now

[18:28:23]

Batshua:

and it seems like we're "stuck" in terminal

[18:28:32]

Batshua:

everything just stopped after that error.

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Shadow__X:

hey iamlindoro with mdadm are you still locked to using the same hds

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iamlindoro_:

Shadow__X: I don't understand your question

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro, sorry ill try again i have 4 seagate 1tb hds in raid 5 with mdadm to add more hds to the array i need to use the same 1tb hds

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iamlindoro_:

Same or larger space, yes

[18:30:31]

iamlindoro_:

but not same manufacturer

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Shadow__X:

soh ok

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Shadow__X:

sweet so i could use hitachi 1tbs then thats because its software raid right?

[18:31:07]

justinh:

myers

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iamlindoro_:

You could use multiple manufacturers in hardware RAID if you like

[18:31:19]

iamlindoro_:

but yes, in mdadm too

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Shadow__X:

oh i thought it had to be all the same

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** kormoc blinks **

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** Batshua blinks back at kormoc **

[18:31:51]

kormoc:

Typically they recommend against that, as if they're all the same, they are more likely to fail at the same time

[18:32:09]

Batshua:

Same error, connection timed out, modify master server settings, set proper ip

[18:32:17]

Shadow__X:

hmm didnt know that

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justinh:

Batshua: let's see the mythbackend log in a pastebin

[18:32:40]

Batshua:

mmkay. how far back should I go?

[18:33:03]

iamlindoro_:

justinh: A nickel says it's not even getting that far (Think ubuntu's firewire prime in the init script is blocking)

[18:33:10]

justinh:

to the last restart

[18:36:53]

Batshua:

http://nopaste.snit.ch/15519

[18:37:28]

justinh:

positive. watching Skins makes you feel old

[18:37:35]

iamlindoro_:

Hmm, yeah, that output is from the backend itself-- sounds like it no longer likes your STB

[18:37:59]

iamlindoro_:

I'd lay odds on then having updated your firmware while you were out

[18:38:10]

justinh:

s/then/them

[18:38:14]

iamlindoro_:

thanks :)

[18:38:14]

justinh:

they, da man

[18:39:09]

Batshua:

oh schiesse. That's what happened last night!

[18:39:17]

Batshua:

... uh, so ... is there anything I can do?

[18:39:20]

iamlindoro_:

nope

[18:39:25]

Batshua:

or do I just wait until somebody fixes it?

[18:39:31]

iamlindoro_:

well, aside from buy an analog capture device

[18:39:43]

iamlindoro_:

heh, They are pretty unlikely to ever fix it

[18:40:06]

Batshua:

I have other stuff, I've got a coax cable.

[18:41:00]

Batshua:

would that be sufficient?

[18:41:07]

iamlindoro_:

Sufficient to do what?

[18:41:18]

Batshua:

to replace the now-unhappy firewire connection.

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iamlindoro_:

Depends on what you intend to do with that coax cable

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Batshua:

what would there be to do beyond make mythtv play nice with my cable box again?

[18:42:33]

iamlindoro_:

If you want to know if you can capture all your channels in digital format from that cable, the answer is probably no. If you are asking if you can plug into the STB and capture the analog outputs, then the answer is yes with an asterisk

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Batshua:

oh boy. well, I'll start with that, then. Unless there is a better plan out there.

[18:43:21]

iamlindoro_:

If you want to capture the analog outs of a STB, your only options in current versions of MythTV will involve capture in SD only. Come MythTV .22 you will be able to use the Hauppauge HD-PVR which can capture the component outputs, in HD.

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** Batshua nots. **

[18:48:11]

Batshua:

er, nods.

[18:48:32]

Batshua:

Well. This is /lovely/, by which I mean rotten, but what the cable company does is rather beyond my control

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Batshua:

so I guess we'll see what can be done to capture analog.

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Shadow__X:

hey iamlindoro if i added hds of bigger size on a raid 5 in mdadm could i use the extra space

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dubstar_04:

I have done a fresh install of ubuntu and myth database will only run on 127.0.0.1 rather than 192.168.x.x any ideas?

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iamlindoro_:

Shadow__X: not until you had updated all the drives to that same, new, larger size

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro, ah so for example i have 4 1tb hds and i want to use 1.5tb would i replace them one by one allowing mdadm to repair the array each tiem>?

[18:53:22]

iamlindoro_:

yep

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jduggan:

yea you can do that

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iamlindoro_:

and then a reshape at the end

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Shadow__X:

hmm is there a better way because that sounds painful lol allowing it to fix the array each time i swap a drive

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iamlindoro_:

Build an entirely parallel array and copy the contents

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Shadow__X:

ah ok well atleast i know and doesnt sound all that bad

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Shadow__X:

esp since i wont have to do it it should repair itself then the reshaping just has to be done at the end

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iamlindoro_:

In terms of what is "safest", I would build the parallel array

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iamlindoro_:

as you'd be preventing multiple rebuilds (which are points of vulnerability)

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Shadow__X:

right

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Shadow__X:

that does sound better

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iamlindoro_:

and putting far less strain on all drives involved

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Shadow__X:

right

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Shadow__X:

hmm too bad i have to wait for 1.5tb drives to not be shitty anymore

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Shadow__X:

maybe throw one or 2 more 1tb drives in the mix

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iamlindoro_:

Or gamble on the new 2 TB WD Green drives :)

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Shadow__X:

f that i bought a 1tb green drive

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iamlindoro_:

whose 1 TB version I have found excellent

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Shadow__X:

i send over 300 gigs consitent and it hangs

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Shadow__X:

rmad it the new one does the same

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iamlindoro_:

Hmm. I haven't seen that issue myself

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Shadow__X:

of course only i get those issues

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Shadow__X:

lol

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iamlindoro_:

"If it is a simple change, I'd vote for just changing the text in the OSD to tell the user that the button they just pressed did nothing."

[18:59:24]

iamlindoro_:

Heh

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iamlindoro_:

Not only is that a stupid idea, but I love the "If it's simple, you really ought to do this since I have no concept of how simple/hard it is and can't do it myself"

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

"All your buttons are belong to us"

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iamlindoro_:

What a stupid sounding "feature"

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iamlindoro_:

You just pressed a button that did nothing!

[19:00:22]

iamlindoro_:

Now you know!

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GreyFoxx:

But it did something... it told you that you pressed it!

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iamlindoro_:

And here I was thinking a button doing nothing would be rather self-evident by it..erm... doing nothing.

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shadash:

prob opened your neighbors garage door

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iamlindoro_:

Oh, and "I'd vote"

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iamlindoro_:

E_NOTADEMOCRACY

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JEDIDIAH__:

my 1TB seagate seems to be fine. I run my 1.5TB's in a manner where their flakiness isn't so much a problem.

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GreyFoxx:

God help me.... I'm actually considering trying out KDE on my work desktop

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JEDIDIAH__:

...there are far worse things GF

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** J-e-f-f-A|work likes KDE... At least KDE3 ... **

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** justinh likes ponies **

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GreyFoxx:

I'm tempted to try KDE4.2

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mchou:

GreyFoxx: no, not 4. Stick with 3

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GreyFoxx:

nah, I wanna play with 4.2

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mchou:

GreyFoxx: gonna be in a world of hurt if you going 4

[19:09:22]

GreyFoxx:

If I don't like it I'll go back to XFCE :)

[19:09:27]

mchou:

suit yourself.

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janneg:

GreyFoxx: it's useable as replacement for 3.5 and a vast improvement from 4.1

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mchou:

janneg: vast improvement over 4.1 unfortunately doesnt say much

[19:10:58]

mchou:

janneg: almost anything is "vast improvement" over 4.1

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shadash:

is gnome a "vast improvement" over 4.1?

[19:11:30]

mchou:

lol

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mchou:

even gnome is

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shadash:

<--- prefer gnome I've just been using it too long to change

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** J-e-f-f-A|work uses KDE 4 on his FC10 test backend... Not the biggest fan of it, but it's ok... **

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jams:

4.2 is better then 4.1 but still it takes a bit to configure things back to a usable state

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A|work: KDE4.1 is a drastic step backwards as far as productivity is concerned

[19:13:27]

jams:

kmail from 4.2 takes like 20 minutes of disk grinding to load. AFter it's loaded it works fine

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mchou:

sometimes I still wonder about viability of a linux desktop.....

[19:14:21]

mchou:

all the mozilla apps are hogs

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mchou:

jams: what is all the kmail disk grindiing all about?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

mchou: I don't recall which version it is — I'll have to check later tonight when I'm home...

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jams:

dont' know, i don't close kmail often enough to look into it

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noaxess_kubuntu:

hi all

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

!seen all

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MythLogBot:

all has not been seen here

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

;-)

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** Batshua has to run — more fighting with the stb later **

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noaxess_kubuntu:

have upgraded a machin to 8.10.. now i need a fix, cause i have connected a projector to the machine.. and on each kdm start 85hz will be choosen instead of 60hz..

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Batshua:

thanks for the help, y'all

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noaxess_kubuntu:

ati restricted driver is enabled

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noaxess_kubuntu:

if i go into ati controll center and change frequenzy to 60hz all works

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noaxess_kubuntu:

but after kdm restart it goes back to 85hz

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** J-e-f-f-A|work hates ATI... Get an NVidia card! ;-) **

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noaxess_kubuntu:

:)

[19:18:03]

noaxess_kubuntu:

no.. can't

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

noaxess_kubuntu: Not sure, but it sounds like you may need to manually specify a modeline...

[19:18:34]

noaxess_kubuntu:

J-e-f-f-A|work: in xorg.conf?

[19:19:23]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

noaxess_kubuntu: Yes. I think you could run 'xvidtune' after setting it to 60hz, and hit the key for it to generate the modeline, then put that in your xorg.conf file...

[19:19:38]

noaxess_kubuntu:

ok

[19:20:04]

noaxess_kubuntu:

Unable to query monitor info

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noaxess_kubuntu:

:(

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Doh!

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justinh:

oh yeah it's friday night

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noaxess_kubuntu:

hey just

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noaxess_kubuntu:

hey justinh

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

noaxess_kubuntu: Are you on the box directly, or via ssh?

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noaxess_kubuntu:

in section monitor i have following line: DisplaySize 260 195

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noaxess_kubuntu:

on the box directly

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justinh:

anykey_: I've exhausted my know-how I'm afraid. for now at least. I'm not giving up, just having a break unless somebody can implant some OO-fu directly into my brain

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kormoc:

Instigate the object!

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anykey_:

justinh: I could try implanting, on your own risk :p

[19:36:51]

justinh:

I saw a demo of a prototype brain-downloading beam.. made the subject's head melt rather

[19:43:51]

anykey_:

I'd like so of these Matrix loaders

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justinh:

heh. My head lacks one of those multiway sockets I'm afraid

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anykey_:

me too :(

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mag0o:

wow, $88 for a hitachi 1tb @ newegg – http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145233

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justinh:

anykey_: anyway.. the problem is, the child objects of a button can't dictate the overall area. yet. gbee told me what I need to do and I just (ha there's that word) need to work out how to put that into code

[19:48:42]

JEDIDIAH__:

if all you are worried about are "hogs" then the Linux desktop isn't so bad off.

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justinh:

oink, oink

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JEDIDIAH__:

watchagonnado? pull out an Amiga or BeBox?

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anykey_:

justinh: can't you just find out how large the childs are in the button itself?

[19:51:29]

justinh:

I can't do that either

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justinh:

ENOHOW

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anykey_:

hm, too bad

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justinh:

also, I suspected that updating the text drawarea wasn't enough.. and that seems to be the case. that, I can probably put right very easily

[19:55:34]

justinh:

anyway, fwiw, I think the idea gbee had for it would be the best way to go, then the overall button widths can be overridden by children

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anykey_:

probably

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justinh:

I'm not making any promises, but I've taken to liking little challenges. I got over one bump this week :)

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anykey_:

maybe I'll have a dig for myself tomorrow in the train, can't promise either ;)

[19:59:31]

justinh:

I almost know for a fact gbee's nigh as damnit given me the code to do it, I just have to join the dots

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justinh:

never let lack of knowhow get in the way of a goal :)

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anykey_:

doesn't sound too bad then ;)

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justinh:

maybe it's not

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jroysdon:

I've a PVR500 which was working fine on both /dev/video0 & /dev/video1. I've added a PVR1600, and now it looks like /dev/video0 is broken, and I'm not sure what I need to add the new PVR1600 as... thoughts? http://pastebin.com/d616b9f92

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justinh:

sounds like a job for udev :)

[20:10:14]

justinh:

aka hard-wiring device nodes to devices

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justinh:

unresolved overloaded function type. that's new

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jroysdon:

justinh, were your last 3 lines directed to me?

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oobe:

i think so jroysdon

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jroysdon:

eep

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GlemSom:

I've been trying to make captions look good on channels like TV 1000 and C+... But I think I'm missing someting... The fonts are larger then the black box... Anyone know a fix for this: http://freeshells.ch/~glemsom/CC-test.png scaling the font down does not make any difference at all

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Dagmar:

you need to use a FIXED-WIDTH font.

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justinh:

the last two, not three

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justinh:

Dagmar: fixed width? eew

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justinh:

heh yes actually. fixed width for CC fonts

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Dagmar:

I can tell just from looking at it that that's what's going on.

[20:41:54]

justinh:

gawd how awful is the kerning on that?

[20:42:00]

Dagmar:

The absolutely bizarre inter-letter spacing is the giveaway.

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Dagmar:

When something expects a monospaced font and you hand it a proportionally-spaced one, that's what happens

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justinh:

wonder why there's an option to configure the CC font then.. which allows you to use proportionally spaced fonts

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Dagmar:

Because it's not obvious which fonts are monospace and which are proportional

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Dagmar:

...or someone intended to "fix it late"

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Dagmar:

er "fix it later"

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justinh:

not _always_ obvious. freemono is obviously named ;)

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Dagmar:

Well, not obvious to freetype or anything that is code

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justinh:

time to close the editor down for the day. I've stared at enough code

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Dagmar:

At least, I know of no test

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Dagmar:

There's no isthispropfont() call kinda fing

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clever:

Dagmar: isnt there a way to find out the lenght of a string in a certain font?

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Dagmar:

Yeah

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clever:

i seen to remember seeing that in atleast 1 language

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clever:

you could use that to draw the black background boxes, thus making it allways fit

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Dagmar:

Or, since CC is cell-based anyway, you could use a monospaced font.

[20:46:01]

clever:

yeah

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clever:

i cant even capture the cc, its buggy in my ivtv driver

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Dagmar:

It's hit or miss here

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Dagmar:

...but I suspect that's got more to do with the fact that I've never even tried to enable it

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Dagmar:

I think I just left it on a few times

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clever:

when i started, it would cause 100% cpu usage and i HAD to disable it(globaly, so i lost it on other cards that worked fine)

[20:47:06]

clever:

but after a apt-get dist-upgrade, it semi worked

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clever:

it was on by default, which is why i had so much trouble with my pvr150 on the 1st day

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justinh:

in myth?

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clever:

on my myth setup with config dating back to 0.18

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justinh:

did they ever get to the bottom of the robotic sounding audio on those cards? bugged the hell out of me

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Dagmar:

Well, it doesn't happen anymore

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clever:

never heard of that

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justinh:

never heard of it? jees. happened every so often on opening the card, but I worked around it

[20:49:27]

justinh:

made people sound like aliens in 'V'

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justinh:

before they lost their FX budget ;)

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clever:

never had any audio problems with the pvr150

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Dagmar:

Hm... The 80's were 20 years ago for me so I've no idea

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clever:

Dagmar: i was born in the 80's!

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Dagmar:

Might be you had a cooked firmware

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Dagmar:

clever: We can tell

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justinh:

one of the marks of manhood is whether or not he gives his age as an integer

[20:51:05]

clever:

atleast i dont hold the shift key when i type:P

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clever:

21!

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justinh:

clever: like ever :)

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GlemSom:

Dagmar, Looks like you're right... monospace does look a lot better! :D Thanks

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Constrabus:

Can figure out what I need to fix this compile error http://rafb.net/p/AiPM1r84.html has anyone seen this before?

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jpabq:

USA, voice your opinion: http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing_room/dtv_delay_act/

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justinh:

I thought that was done & dusted already

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Constrabus:

Can't figure out what I need to fix this compile error http://rafb.net/p/AiPM1r84.html has anyone seen this before?

[20:57:48]

Constrabus:

Lost connectin if anyone replied to the above.

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Dagmar:

It's probably "install the right version of Qt"

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Dagmar:

Are you building trunk?

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iamlindoro_:

"dvbtypes.h:23:6: error: #error "DVB driver includes with API version 3 not found"

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iamlindoro_:

Curse you plain english error messages

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Dagmar:

heh

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iamlindoro_:

And from an edu address no less

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justinh:

I do love a good apt-get build-dep mythtv

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Dagmar:

I think seeing pathnames in /usr with a blatant $username component broke part of my brain

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Constrabus:

iamlindro_ Yeah.. im unfamiliar with API... is this in kernel r user space driver?

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iamlindoro_:

It's not looking for drivers, it's looking for the DVB headers since apparently you are compiling with DVB support

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iamlindoro_:

which, apparently, you are lacking

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iamlindoro_:

now granted, the headers *come* from the driver source, but it doesn't really care about you having a driver loaded

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iamlindoro_:

friends don't let friends use gentoo

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_abbenormal:

lol

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Constrabus:

I know that.. which is why I have the DVB headers installed

[21:03:53]

Constrabus:

http://rafb.net/p/ktjBRh58.html

[21:04:09]

justinh:

did you tell myth's configure where to find them?

[21:04:29]

iamlindoro_:

I'd complain to your ebuild maintainer and demand a refund

[21:05:11]

iamlindoro_:

justinh: Which use flag is that? ;)

[21:05:33]

justinh:

starts with a 'D' I think

[21:06:28]

iamlindoro_:

anyway, as justinh mentiones, ./configure --help ftw

[21:06:34]

iamlindoro_:

mentions

[21:06:50]

justinh:

are you emerging or building trunk?

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iamlindoro_:

*cricket*

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justinh:

didn't emerge the irc client with REPLY enabled

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iamlindoro_:

On the other hand it compiled .427 seconds faster and launched a femtosecond faster, so it sort of evens out

[21:17:10]

justinh:

time for a drink, put down the laptop & watch some telly. kickback time & chillax :D

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dustybin:

justinh: don't lie. what you really mean is, the wife is out, and i have IRC all to myself :P

[21:21:28]

mag0o:

those are good times

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mag0o:

even better when the wife has the kids out

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iamlindoro_:

dustybin: Don't be jealous, someday you might intercourse a woman too

[21:25:39]

iamlindoro_:

Granted, she'll need to olfactory senses of a slab of marble, but it could happen

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dustybin:

:(

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erionville:

I am just wondering, how does MythTV work?

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Dagmar:

erionville: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview

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erionville:

TY

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iamlindoro_:

Magic and pixie dust

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iamlindoro_:

and goat sacrifice, can't forget goat sacrifice

[21:48:42]

Dibblah:

My backend didn't accept my blood sacrifice.

[21:48:56]

erionville:

Maybe cat sacrifice

[21:48:57]

Dibblah:

... Might need a virgin for the next attempt.

[21:49:10]

Dibblah:

Probably have to import one :(

[21:49:25]

Dagmar:

Good luck finding one of those without looking in #FreeBSD

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erionville:

Maybe supercat

[21:50:02]

erionville:

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii94/darkl . . . uper_cat.jpg

[21:50:55]

erionville:

Also is MythTV cool?

[21:51:00]

iamlindoro_:

no

[21:51:05]

erionville:

lolz

[21:51:10]

iamlindoro_:

It's very uncool

[21:51:22]

iamlindoro_:

seriously, can you ask a real questio?

[21:51:26]

iamlindoro_:

question?

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erionville:

lolz

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iamlindoro_:

aas these are the question I would ask when I was eight

[21:52:12]

erionville:

Is MythTV useful?

[21:52:15]

iamlindoro_:

No

[21:52:16]

erionville:

lol

[21:52:25]

erionville:

I expected that

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j-rod:

I thought most 8 year olds weren't allowed on irc

[21:52:48]

iamlindoro_:

Which reminds me, stay in school, kids

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erionville:

Is there anything good about MythTV?

[21:53:29]

iamlindoro_:

No, we all just switchd to Windows Media Center

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iamlindoro_:

We're just here to direct fine young people such as yourself to a useful, good, cool media center

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erionville:

lol

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iamlindoro_:

Now I strongly suggest finding a real question for your next one if you expect to remain here for long

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** j-rod suddenly remembers why he never bothers joining this channel... **

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erionville:

lolz

[21:55:11]

erionville:

its an IRC

[21:55:18]

j-rod:

uh. yeah.

[21:55:43]

j-rod:

its a muppet

[21:55:49]

erionville:

Hmm It seems like I would be getting the raw end of the deal by getting MythTV

[21:55:51]

iamlindoro_:

I'm totally on an internet right now

[21:56:08]

j-rod:

ooh, which one?

[21:56:09]

iamlindoro_:

yes, you'd be getting the raw end of the deal, I suggest using any other media center. Good luck, bye!

[21:56:14]

gbee:

will someone slap Jean-Yves, "it's unfortunate the new mythui has been such a major change ... it broke many things for the time being"

[21:56:28]

gbee:

what things?

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iamlindoro_:

gbee: Hehehe, see about six hours ago in the log here

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j-rod:

you know, things

[21:56:41]

Dagmar:

Just politely ask him to list them.

[21:56:45]

Dagmar:

...and then follow up in a week.

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Dagmar:

About the only thing it's killed is me working on theme until it hits 0.22

[21:57:26]

erionville:

Its support sucks

[21:57:35]

erionville:

Problem One

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iamlindoro_:

erionville: You get what you pay for

[21:57:45]

Dagmar:

...cuz I know I'll just be banging my head going "Crap I could have done that a simpler way" afterwards if I dont

[21:57:45]

erionville:

Thing I guess

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erionville:

lolz

[21:58:12]

** jams sighs **

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Dagmar:

erionville: You may have been given the impression that people who use an opensource project are under some mandate that they "sell" other people on the idea.

[21:58:19]

Dagmar:

You are grievously mistaken.

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erionville:

lol

[21:58:37]

Dagmar:

More people using a project means more people making requests of the devs

[21:58:38]

erionville:

again

[21:58:46]

Dagmar:

...which means less time for the devs to deal with OUR useless requests.

[21:58:50]

iamlindoro_:

In fact, we'd be obscenely happy if you would go use another media center.

[21:58:52]

Dagmar:

So... we don't want that.

[21:59:14]

erionville:

Why would I do that when I already have MythTV

[21:59:57]

iamlindoro_:

Because it would increase the chances of you going somewhere else and not continuing to try to be banned from this channel?

[22:00:02]

j-rod:

can we just ban the entire state of nebraska from using irc?

[22:00:07]

erionville:

lol

[22:00:07]

iamlindoro_:

I imagine you're getting awful close...

[22:00:21]

iamlindoro_:

j-rod: Sadly, he's the nebraska equivalent of a rhodes scholar

[22:00:23]

erionville:

Why not you only get three people

[22:00:23]

jams:

iamlindoro- i am in a bad mood right now

[22:00:39]

j-rod:

oh, wait, Rex Dieter lives there, he's actually quite useful...

[22:00:39]

** dustybin ducks **

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iamlindoro_:

jams: Guess that shortens the banning equation somewhat then, that's helpful

[22:01:07]

** gbee confiscates the troll food **

[22:01:10]

erionville:

Why not just ban the small areas of nebraska

[22:01:17]

j-rod:

gbee: aw, but we were having fun?

[22:01:17]

erionville:

(This quadrant is gone)

[22:01:42]

iamlindoro_:

Uselessness * Verbosity / literacy * the square root of Jams' patience = time to ban

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** erionville wonders how to make actions **

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jams:

hey j-rod

[22:01:50]

erionville:

I did it

[22:01:57]

jams:

been a while

[22:02:01]

j-rod:

yah

[22:02:19]

j-rod:

I don't show up in here very often. I quickly remind myself why every time. :)

[22:02:36]

iamlindoro_:

j-rod: There's probably some amount of bad timing involved this time

[22:02:37]

jams:

it has it's moments

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** dustybin uses the side exit **

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erionville:

hmm IRC's are not as fun as I was told

[22:03:14]

erionville:

I want my money backs

[22:03:50]

j-rod:

jams: so smolt... it somehow completely and totally escaped me that your smolt stuff was actually a mythtv plugin, not a firstboot-type thingy

[22:04:15]

j-rod:

so we ultimately ended up just throwing the stock fedora smolt reporting bits into mythdora at the last minute

[22:04:21]

j-rod:

(we almost forgot those too...)

[22:04:23]

jams:

no big deal

[22:04:42]

jams:

i have linhes setup as a firstboot sort of thing via jumppoint

[22:04:57]

erionville:

Its sad that the ChanServ has more power than a human

[22:05:18]

j-rod:

insert skynet comment here

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erionville:

Skynet I lol at Skynet :D

[22:05:52]

erionville:

Que es esto Skynet

[22:05:59]

j-rod:

jams: on the bright side, we've got close to 2000 people who have registered at smolts.org

[22:06:06]

jams:

Seemed better to use a plugin vs the wxwidgets the smolt gui uses.

[22:06:08]

j-rod:

can't tell exactly what their hardware is in the detail I would have liked

[22:06:35]

jams:

thats the main reason I wanted a seperate smoon server for myth

[22:06:36]

j-rod:

ah, see, fedora, its a pygtk wrapper around the cli stuff

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jams:

oh it's pygtk? thought it was wx

[22:07:16]

jams:

either way it doesn't lend itself to use with a remote

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Dagmar:

jams: Do the devs beat themselves with glass-covered whips that often that you'd assume they would use wx?

[22:07:40]

j-rod:

I suspect if I dug hard enough, I would have been able to extract the right bits to get the cli to report additional useful myth stuff

[22:07:46]

j-rod:

-ENOTIME

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j-rod:

speaking of... I should go home

[22:08:02]

jams:

j-rod- what do you want i can add it

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sphery:

woo hoo! We're quickly approaching changeset 20K... Bets on who'll be the one?

[22:08:42]

iamlindoro_:

gbee

[22:08:43]

sphery:

19949, current

[22:09:00]

sphery:

gbee is a very good guess

[22:09:14]

iamlindoro_:

gotta take the safe bet

[22:09:49]

j-rod:

jams: I suspect you already have a lot of it in there in some form, I just didn't have enough time to comb through... but I'd like remote used, box type (backend, frontend, combo, etc), video storage fs format off the top of my head

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j-rod:

not sure what else

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sphery:

I wonder if kormoc will swoop in with his occasional round of commits just to take [20000]

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jams:

j-rod- that all there

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jams:

well not specific fs for video storage

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kormoc:

sphery, if I had inet at home... I so would!

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gbee:

what would I win?

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** j-rod starts committing random shit **

[22:13:52]

gbee:

hey, that's my job!

[22:13:56]

j-rod:

haha

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iamlindoro_:

Sorry, outsourcing.

[22:15:45]

iamlindoro_:

We americans have become a cheap third world workforce

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j-rod:

will work for home heating fuel. its effing cold out here.

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j-rod:

speaking of which, time to go home...

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justinh:

mmmm warm & fuzzy feelings :)

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justinh:

gbee: btw, thanks for all the tips so far. just a few more small bridges to cross now & then I can stop seeing code when I shut my eyes

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justinh:

for a little while at least :)

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iamlindoro_:

When the code tells you to burn things, it's time to sleep

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justinh:

rofl

[22:28:28]

justinh:

a couple of doubles have helped. been a really weird day today

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iamlindoro_:

void PlayBackBox::ConsumeInFlames( QString &who, QString &when, int howlong)

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justinh:

hmmm can't be bothered to get up & fetch the remote. I know... ssh into the frontend..

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sqpat:

i wanted to buy the hauppauge HD PVR device to record gameplay from my PSP (480p). However, the video out mode turns off the psp's display, and i dont have an hdtv handy to fork the signal to. Does using that device while recording with mythtv produce significant lag to the monitor's display? Wanted to know beforehand before purchasing it.

[22:50:14]

justinh:

using any device with mythtv produces lag significant enough to make a game unplayable. as in utterly

[22:50:57]

sqpat:

hmm okay. I'll have to look for another way to make this work, then. thanks.

[22:54:00]

jpabq:

sqpat: the HD-PVR has component pass-through, which works even when recording.

[22:54:28]

justinh:

snag there is he needs a display with component input :)

[22:54:37]

sqpat:

yeah, that works as a 'fork', but i dont have a component display

[22:55:29]

sqpat:

i dont suppose theres any kind of 'downsampler' to composite or maybe svideo is there

[22:55:41]

sqpat:

probably nothing cheap

[22:55:43]

jpabq:

Nope. out==in

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justinh:

next best bet is a component to firewire converter.. then capture the video as DV & preview in nigh as damnit real time

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justinh:

but that costs about what a cheap TV with component input would..

[22:57:55]

justinh:

hmmm. ENOJACKDANIEL'S

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phunyguy:

Jack Daniels? *perk*

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phunyguy:

that stuff is my fav

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sqpat:

there seem to exist "component down samplers" but i'd pay as much as i would for the HD PVR for one of these things.

[23:01:00]

sqpat:

might as well get a small HDTV.

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justinh:

bigger screen == better gaming experience?

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sqpat:

considering the PSP has a 3–4 inch screen to begin with... :P

[23:03:36]

sqpat:

mostly want to be able to record the gameplay while playing it, though.

[23:03:59]

phunyguy:

hmmm

[23:04:03]

justinh:

takes all sorts

[23:04:23]

phunyguy:

not worried about delay?

[23:04:42]

phunyguy:

oh wait – you said PSP

[23:04:45]

phunyguy:

understood.

[23:04:47]

sqpat:

yeah, i am worrid about it. thats why i cant just play on the preview display

[23:05:02]

sqpat:

justinh told me its pretty bad with lag

[23:05:08]

phunyguy:

can be

[23:05:30]

phunyguy:

if you can find a way to split the feed...

[23:05:32]

sqpat:

you know, there's actually an S-Video version of this thing.

[23:05:35]

justinh:

anything more than a 100 millisecs would destrot gameplay

[23:05:41]

justinh:

*destroy

[23:05:49]

sqpat:

yeah more than 100 ms starts to get bad.

[23:05:50]

justinh:

or less even

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phunyguy:

as long as you arent playing off the output of the capture card

[23:06:15]

justinh:

if you're an old fart like me reaction times aren't so good :P

[23:06:27]

sqpat:

i was going to need the hauppage hd pvr, since its a 480p signal

[23:07:00]

jduggan:

old fart

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jduggan:

;p

[23:07:05]

sqpat:

i have a component video out, but if i had an s-video one, and i split the signal, that might be more managable

[23:07:09]

phunyguy:

you have to realize the encoding time...

[23:07:15]

sqpat:

a lot more things work with S-Video, right?

[23:07:18]

phunyguy:

of teh card

[23:07:30]

phunyguy:

thats why i said split the signal

[23:07:45]

sqpat:

[14:54:11] <jpabq> sqpat: the HD-PVR has component pass-through, which works even when recording.

[23:07:54]

sqpat:

i assume that thing splits it realtime, but the component is the problem

[23:07:54]

phunyguy:

like... with component hooked up, can you still display teh game on the little screen?

[23:08:02]

sqpat:

oh that? no, it turns the display off.

[23:08:07]

phunyguy:

boo

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sqpat:

thats what causes the problem

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sqpat:

s-video can do 480p, right?

[23:08:55]

phunyguy:

well the component passthrough sounds reasonable

[23:09:00]

phunyguy:

480 i think

[23:09:02]

phunyguy:

err

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phunyguy:

480i

[23:09:09]

phunyguy:

could be p

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phunyguy:

not sure

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sqpat:

480i, you're right

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justinh:

depends what model PSP you have. 2000 series only do svideo out with the cable apparently

[23:09:58]

justinh:

whatever that means

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sqpat:

yeah i have the 2000

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sqpat:

but ive used my composite one before

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sqpat:

and it worked

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phunyguy:

lol – cut open the component cables, and break out the soldering iron

[23:10:28]

phunyguy:

make a splitter

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sqpat:

haha

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justinh:

you can't just do that

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phunyguy:

thats just me though

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justinh:

it'll darken the video

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sqpat:

voltage problems right

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phunyguy:

you know i would try

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phunyguy:

and ruin cables

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justinh:

it'll be double-terminated

[23:10:51]

sqpat:

a splitter cable cant be that hard to come by can it?

[23:10:59]

justinh:

you need a buffer amp between em

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phunyguy:

ive split sooo many cables in my day

[23:11:10]

phunyguy:

not those though

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justinh:

or else disable termination on one end

[23:11:35]

phunyguy:

yeah

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phunyguy:

understood

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phunyguy:

may not be voltage, but current?

[23:11:54]

justinh:

75R termination in parallel with 75R termination == 37.5R termination on your PSP video output. darker than usual :-\

[23:12:04]

phunyguy:

very well said

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phunyguy:

you know yer electroniks

[23:12:33]

justinh:

basically each end will only see half the signal it would've ordinarily seen

[23:12:42]

phunyguy:

now if it were series...

[23:12:49]

phunyguy:

you would have 150R

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phunyguy:

HAH!

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phunyguy:

oh man

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sqpat:

im looking into a plugin called FuSa

[23:13:03]

phunyguy:

been soo long

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sqpat:

seems to support even composite out

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justinh:

it messes up the brightness, if you're lucky.

[23:13:24]

phunyguy:

forgot all about ohms law

[23:13:34]

phunyguy:

Navy days..

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justinh:

buy an svideo distribution amp :) maybe $20 or so – problem solved,

[23:14:18]

justinh:

1 svideo input to several outputs :)

[23:14:22]

phunyguy:

if he has svideo out

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justinh:

or composite

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sqpat:

the 480i/480p thing confuses me

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sqpat:

if im reading this right, 480i doesnt work for games

[23:14:39]

sqpat:

only movies

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phunyguy:

who says?

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sqpat:

sony disables the interlaced mode when playing games.

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justinh:

assume it changes mode according to the cable you plug in

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sqpat:

so you need the component output to work for games

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justinh:

heh

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sqpat:

weird

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sqpat:

bastards

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phunyguy:

language

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Dagmar:

...and you absolutely don't want to try playing a video game *through* MythTV.

[23:15:14]

justinh:

back to the hdpvr then

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sqpat:

sorry

[23:15:18]

justinh:

and a spiffy new TV

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Dagmar:

Not unless it's some trivia game with no timer

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sqpat:

hdpvr yeah

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phunyguy:

touched on that dagmar

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phunyguy:

:P

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phunyguy:

*giggity*

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justinh:

lol Dagmar I recorded my xbox through mythtv once, and that was just to show XBMC to a myth dev. oh boy. even the menus were unusable

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justinh:

even using the video input without mythtv was too laggy

[23:16:53]

Dagmar:

Yeah, I've recorded some WoW using Myth, but I did it using cloned outputs

[23:17:29]

phunyguy:

ok time to go to Target with the wife and kid

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phunyguy:

cya

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sqpat:

good bye

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phunyguy:

good buy

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justinh:

sqpat: looking at sony's website, they say svid & composite cables work with games

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Dagmar:

They do.

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Dagmar:

You'll have GREAT fun tho if you have a newer TV and the thing kicks in any auto-scaling.

[23:18:59]

Dagmar:

Instant 75ms lag on a lot of models.

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sqpat:

see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou1EtlYcEy4

[23:19:08]

justinh:

bwahahaha

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sqpat:

5–10 seconds in

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sqpat:

theres an error message when you try, apparenty

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Dagmar:

Dude, I've got a PS3.

[23:19:56]

Dagmar:

It does 480i over composite, of this I am sure.

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sqpat:

PSP, actually

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sqpat:

not ps3

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justinh:

look: http://www.us.playstation.com/PSP/Accessories/SCPH-98548

[23:20:27]

sqpat:

i know i had to set a progressive scan mode when i messed around with my parents TV before

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justinh:

sony themselves say it

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justinh:

can you spell "class action lawsuit" ? ;-)

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sqpat:

oh my. thats new

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sqpat:

i didnt even know that thing existed, lol

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sqpat:

nope

[23:21:32]

sqpat:

"# Plays video, photos, & music on TV's"

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sqpat:

compare to the component one: "# Play games, videos, photos, music on TV"

[23:21:48]

Dagmar:

I have grave doubts about the utility in putting something meant for a 4" screen on a larger one.

[23:21:49]

sqpat:

and also "# HDTV compatible; requires progessive scan to play games on TV"

[23:21:52]

justinh:

"Simply plug your PSP into your TV or monitor with the correct cable, and you'll be enjoying all of the game, movie or video thrills of your PSP's LCD screen on the big screen!"

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Dagmar:

DID THE VIRTUABOY TEACH US NOTHING?

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justinh:

oh wait. duh. ENOTENOUGHJD

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justinh:

wow you have to admit that's kinda confusing though

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sqpat:

yeah i think iwent through this myself a year ago when i bought the component cables

[23:23:06]

justinh:

they're more or less saying two conflicting things there

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sqpat:

i think i had my eyes on the hauppauge back then, but it wasnt out yet.

[23:23:16]

sqpat:

then i forgot about it till about now.

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justinh:

well, you still have your plan 'A'

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sqpat:

plus, i still do want to record the 480p video if possible

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sqpat:

i think the 'splitting' works with the hd pvr itself. I just need an easy way to playback a component signal meanwhile.

[23:25:20]

justinh:

yeah it's not just a passive split apparently, so it'll work fine

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justinh:

it's more a 'thru' connection :)

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s34n:

I'm trying mythtv a new way for me. I installed it on fedora 10, out of yum

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sqpat:

time to hit up craigslist for a cheap hdtv :)

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s34n:

I'm excited to that is even possible

[23:26:33]

s34n:

but now I'm trying to figure out how the packagers put it all together.

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justinh:

why?

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s34n:

it doesn't exactly run out of the box

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s34n:

has anybody else done this?

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justinh:

it doesn't on ubuntu either. or gentoo. or anything else that isn't a ready-rolled myth distro

[23:27:42]

s34n:

sure

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justinh:

so, you sit down in front of the documentation, and you read a) a howto guide for your distro NOT on some random guy's blog page

[23:28:25]

s34n:

Thus I'm trying to sort through how the packaging is put together and what is left to do

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justinh:

and b) the official docs at mythtv.org

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justinh:

so first thing after installing mythtv is to make sure the mythconverg database is set up. the official docs cover that

[23:29:50]

justinh:

then you run mythtv-setup and er.. set stuff up like tuner cards, storage groups, video sources, input connections.. in the _correct_ numerical order

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sqpat:

haha, a 20" hdtv for $60, nice

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justinh:

sqpat: neat. only one small bullet hole in the screen too ;)

[23:31:03]

sqpat:

i saw a 27" for $100 actually, that was cracked by a wii remote

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justinh:

priceless!

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unimaginative:

mythbackend crashed again. This time it says memory corrpution.

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unimaginative:

*** glibc detected *** /usr/bin/mythbackend: malloc(): memory corruption (fast): 0x0860caf7 ***

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s34n:

justinh: I already confirmed that there isn't a db created in mysql

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unimaginative:

http://rafb.net/p/AGvxxs37.html

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s34n:

justinh: there is a mythbackend service configured in inet.d, though

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justinh:

s34n: so, you need to find out how to do that. enjoy reading the documentation :) feel free to ask questions about things the docs cover

[23:43:59]

justinh:

s34n: no database, no mythtv

[23:44:03]

s34n:

right

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s34n:

the typical fedora way would be for the package to create the db the first time you start the backend service.

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justinh:

I'm not saying to read the docs for the fun of it, honest

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s34n:

justinh: I understand what you're saying. thx.

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s34n:

you make a great point

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iamlindoro:

and fedora will never, ever, ever, EVER create the DB for you on starting the backend

[23:45:31]

iamlindoro:

nor any other distro

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s34n:

but of course I'm special and the rules don't apply to me.

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s34n:

j/k

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s34n:

iamlindoro: I'

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justinh:

naw, you're not special, not compared with some of the cases we see here ;)

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s34n:

iamlindoro: I'm not talking about the backend doing it automatically

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justinh:

there are people deserving of monuments being constructed in their name.. and not in a nice way

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s34n:

let me give you an example of where my expectations are:

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justinh:

s34n: there's a very good howto for fedora – probably out of date but lots will no doubt still apply

[23:47:32]

iamlindoro:

Don't waste time with examples when that time could be better spent making your own system work :)

[23:47:36]

s34n:

the first time your service sshd start, the sshd packaging has some smarts to setup you keys, etc.

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justinh:

s34n: cases like those have fewer variables ;)

[23:48:04]

s34n:

true

[23:48:04]

** unimaginative throws his name in the hat for a luser monument. **

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s34n:

and it doesn't mean anything about mythtv. i know

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s34n:

and I'd still have to do mythtv setup

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s34n:

but I still suspect that there is a nice default db create thing in these packages

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s34n:

that sets up the os user, and the mysql user, etc.

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justinh:

unimaginative: hmmm. a backtrace. we're all out of staff here right now.. maybe post it to the -users ML for opinions.. it might even be worth raising a ticket for

[23:50:50]

justinh:

I dunno about BTs though.. so can't comment any more than that

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Dagmar:

I wrote those sorts of things here.

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Dagmar:

Most of the canned distros ship their own stuff.

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justinh:

laws unto themselves

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justinh:

users beware!

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Dagmar:

...but you ALWAYS have to run mythtv-setup yourself.

[23:51:43]

Dagmar:

...and there's no way for MythTV to reliably guess about the database, particularly WHERE it should go

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justinh:

apart from on ready-rolled distros :)

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s34n:

so I was hoping that the fedora packager was hanging out here and would pamper me :)

[23:52:17]

Dagmar:

Pfft. I could give you mine but they're tied into weird places.

[23:52:49]

Dagmar:

Like, the mysql package I use has mysql'ds init script check to see if the MythTV tables are present and creates them if they're not.

[23:52:52]

Dagmar:

...but this is trivial stuff.

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justinh:

s34n: this is no-frills tech support. no pampering/hand-holding

[23:53:12]

justinh:

certainly no walkthroughs

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justinh:

we don't get paid enough

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unimaginative:

justinh, I dont' have a full gdb backtrace, just that logfile. Think it's enough info to warrant a ticket?

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justinh:

unimaginative: full gdb backtrace is best

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justinh:

the ticket would likely be closed without one

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unimaginative:

so I need to focus on getting it to die again in gdb.

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justinh:

yup. not as easy as it sounds ;)

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