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Thursday, February 5th, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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iamlindoro:

"Why can't we build a STB." *sigh*

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iamlindoro:

I'll take "Because myth isn't $100 a copy like Sage TV for 500, Alex."

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oobe:

no IP

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iamlindoro:

As a corollary, why can't clouds rain candy, and why didn't I get that yacht for Christmas?

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oobe:

santa gave me my yacht

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oobe:

didnt you get yours?

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oobe:

i sold mine to pay off some gambling debts

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro: hehe... ;-) Does my UPnP point make sense? (ie: extending the implementation in Myth?)

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A|work, It makes sense, but from what I understand the uPnP UI abilities are very VERY limited

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iamlindoro:

(And I mean in general, not w/ Myth particularly)

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HopFlash:

can someone tell me how I can automatically search for channels with mythtv?

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iamlindoro:

My understanding is that they are rather similar to an HTML control interface

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro: Yeah, I did some UI stuff with a Pinnacle ShowCenter before... It was just HTML – tweaked it's open-source server (ShowCenter) to look somewhat similar to MythTV's menus.

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, The real issue with the "Build a STB" question is (see my response) the massive financial outlay to get started

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro: I had shared all the Myth recordings to ShowCenter via symbolic links created with mythrename.pl

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iamlindoro:

and who's going to put up the money/design it/pay to have it certified... who is going to step up and be responsible for insuring it when it catches fire and burns someone's house down?

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thefRont is now known as thefront

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HopFlash:

it seems as I have no video source (I don't know if it is called like this in the english version...I have the german one)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro: yeah, I understand. But I think expanding the UPnP support to be 'prettier' would help alleviate some of the 'pain'... ;-)

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, I think uPnP players suck, no matter how many formats tehy support

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A|work, ION is the ticket for me-- quiet, capable, full frontend, and should be more or less affordable too

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro: Yeah, they're not optimal... ;-) ^^ ION would be excellent... ;-)

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iamlindoro:

Even if they come out at the $500 price, they'll be $299 in a year, $199 in two, etc.

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iamlindoro:

and as there are no new formats/codecs/higher bitrates on the horizon, I don't see it becoming obsolete all that soon

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro: OTOH, if you plugged in a UPnP player on your network, and got a screen that looked nearly identical to a 'real' frontend, you'd probably like them alot more than what you see now... "Recordings" "Videos" "Music" "Pictures"...

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A|work, My recent work on the expanded metadata capabilities/theme has pushed what I will accept in a frontend to a very high bar

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro: Kinda like the difference between GANT and your theme... ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro: Yeah, I hear ya. ;-) It would look more like an 0.21 interface than an 0.22 interface...

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psm321_:

does myth use anything other than protocol version number to negotiate protocol features?

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iamlindoro:

Well, they're not negotiations so much as demands (ie the protocols must be identical) but AFAIK all it does is check the values against one another

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psm321_:

iamlindoro: ok thanks

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** psm321_ wants to compress read/writestringlist **

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kale:

when i run mythfilldatabase nothing happens, but when i open the channels and watch some tv, then i get the channel info. what can i do to get channel info for a whole week instead of a few days?

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psm321_:

sounds like youtr getting data off the air

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psm321_:

what country?

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kale:

denmark

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kale:

yes, i get data off the air.

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psm321_:

hmm i dont have any experience w/ xmltv grabbers (which is what you'll need to use) but i can try to help you if nobody w/ more experience is around

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psm321_:

have you setup an input source?

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kale:

only the dvbcard itself

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** kale installs xmltv **

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psm321_:

kale: in mythtv-setup, go to video sources

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kale:

yes

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psm321_:

hmm looks like you need to install the grabber first

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psm321_:

so install xmltv

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kale:

oh dear, 39 packages

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psm321_:

probably the various country grabbers?

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kale:

lots of perl stuff

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psm321_:

also chekc out http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/xmltvdk/ (unlikely you'll need anything from there but i came across it and thought i'd mention it)

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kale:

can i run mythtv-setup while recording?

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psm321_:

you can run it but some changes wont take effect (it'll warn you about that)

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HopFlash:

hmm...why can't I watch TV but recording is no problem?

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psm321_:

HopFlash: what does it do?

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HopFlash:

black screen for a moment and then back to the menu

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psm321_:

what do the frontend and backend logs say? anything that seems relevant?

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psm321_:

(if you cant tell, please put logs on pastebin)

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HopFlash:

ok, how can I look into the logs?

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psm321_:

not sure but i can try to look it up... what distro?

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kale:

alright xmltv installed

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HopFlash:

mythbuntu

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psm321_:

(i'm assuming youre using distro scripts to run things?)

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psm321_:

kale: ok now go in to add a video source and see if you see xmltv denmark in the list of options

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psm321_:

HopFlash: /var/log/mythtv

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kale:

my screen is totally garbage, i'll be back in a minute ...

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kale:

should i add a new video source or use the one that i already have?

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HopFlash:

ok, I think this is the relevant part from the frontend: http://pastebin.com/d3f4aab9b

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kale:

it does not list xmltv as an option

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HopFlash:

oh...ok....I've found something in the backend log...and it could be my fault

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kale:

it may do that when the recording is done

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psm321_:

kale: i dont think it should matter, not sure

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psm321_:

but yeah once the recording is done if you dont have anything coming up for a while quit backend and try again

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iamlindoro:

no, it doesn't matter-- but it won't list xmltv, it'll list individual grabbers, ie tv_grab_*

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iamlindoro:

and if there are none of those, then something went wrong with the xmltv install

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iamlindoro:

but you *really* ought to leave mythtv-setup alone while you have a recording going

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iamlindoro:

especially with mythbuntu where it is liable to "helpfully" turn the backend off for you

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psm321_:

heh sorry didnt know about the mythbuntu helpfulness

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psm321_:

but i run it all the time to reconfigure or check out certain things w/o any issues

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mattwj2002:

hi everyone

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psm321_:

hi

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psm321_:

HopFlash: so any luck w/ the backend thing?

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mattwj2002:

I have a mythtv question....

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HopFlash:

perhaps ;)

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psm321_:

mattwj2002: ask the question :)

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HopFlash:

I have created a storage group and this dir doesn't exist

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mattwj2002:

I have a quad core processor.....does it automatically use all 4 cores?

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psm321_:

HopFlash: that would do it :)

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kale:

mattwj2002: thats for your OS to decide

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psm321_:

not quite

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HopFlash:

where lie the storage dirs?

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psm321_:

HopFlash: huh?

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mattwj2002:

there isn't any setting I have to set is there?

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mattwj2002:

what is all of this stuff about threads

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HopFlash:

where is the root dir for the storage dirs on the filesystem?

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psm321_:

/

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psm321_:

all paths are absolute

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psm321_:

afaik

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kale:

mattwj2002: you should set number of threads to be the number of cpus

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mattwj2002:

so 4 if I want it to use all 4 cores?

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HopFlash:

oh...good to know ;)

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psm321_:

hmm, where is this # of threads setting?

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** psm321_ intrigues **

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psm321_:

*intrigued

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mattwj2002:

in the transcoder profile

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iamlindoro:

The Max CPU setting *only pertains to playback of codecs which are multithread-decoded (read: h.264 and VC1, that's it)

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iamlindoro:

and no, not in transcoder profiles, in playback profiles

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mattwj2002:

and I thought there was something in the mythtv-setup

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iamlindoro:

no

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kale:

mattwj2002: but i would choose one less, so i have one core for myself ;-)

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psm321_:

eh, my cores are always busy doing transcodes anyway :)

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mattwj2002:

yeah right now it is set 1

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iamlindoro:

The *only* setting having to do with cores is in playback profiles and only relates to, as I said, those codecs which can be multithreaded in decode

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mattwj2002:

okay

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mattwj2002:

so transcoding it doesn't matter for mp4 encoding?

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psm321_:

iamlindoro: well of jobs to run simultaneously can affect of cores used (by those jobs)

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iamlindoro:

no, as you cannot multithread decode *or* encode the transcoders mp4 (as it is MPEG-4 part 2)

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iamlindoro:

psm321_, The appropriation of processes to cores is an OS function, not a myth one

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HopFlash:

oh...watching live tv over vnc is a little slow ;)

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psm321_:

iamlindoro: true, but in practical terms changing that setting does make a difference

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HopFlash:

psm321_: thx for your help

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iamlindoro:

psm321_, But has *nothing* to do with myth and its usage of cores

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psm321_:

plus isnt it the same way for threads too? :) so the # of threads setting also doesnt technically affect cores does it? :)

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mattwj2002:

okay I'll just leave it set to 1

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psm321_:

HopFlash: did that fix it? :)

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kale:

when i encode to x264 using two cores i can cut 1/4 of the encoding time

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iamlindoro:

h.264

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psm321_:

iamlindoro: either we're talking about different things here or you're arguing the technicallity (which i agreed with you on), or i'm completely lost :)

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iamlindoro:

x264 is a program/encoder, h.264 is a codec

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kale:

iamlindoro: ah, thanks, nice to know

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HopFlash:

psm321_: yes...now I can watch tv...the first step is done :)

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HopFlash:

is there any chance that I can auto-text the channel names with my analog tv card?

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iamlindoro:

psm321_, Myth is heavily threaded. Go watch some taxing material which is *not* h.264 and tell me how many cores it maxes out (hint: the answer will be one)

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psm321_:

ok

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kale:

iamlindoro: you can use more threads encoding to lavc or xvid too

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iamlindoro:

kale, lavc = libavcodec and is not a codec name. xvid cannot be multithreaded

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iamlindoro:

you can set threads all you like but it won't do anything

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kale:

iamlindoro: i'll have to check this. i believe i've done that earlier, but not totally sure

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iamlindoro:

*sigh*

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mattwj2002:

it isn't that big of a deal.....

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mattwj2002:

I just want to make sure my system is working at the fastest possible

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kale:

iamlindoro: according to the mencoder manpage xvid does take a thread argument, but, somewhere else in the page it states that threads are only for h.264 and mpeg. threading for xvid should be from version 1.2.x. So i do not know where to stand on this... never mind.

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psm321_:

i am not sure where my conversation w/ iamlindoro ended up, but i would still recommend upping the max number of concurrent jobs if you plan to do transcoding and more than 1 recording at a time

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kale:

psm321_: oh, thats a whole other thing.

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iamlindoro:

kale, mencoder uses libxvid, myth does not. Myth uses the codecs from libavcodec. The only multithreadable codecs in libavcodec are h.264 and VC-1.

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kale:

iamlindoro: oh, thats why. got it now.

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iamlindoro:

therefore, the only codecs affected by the Max CPU setting in myth are those two. None of the codecs encoded by mythtranscode can be multithreaded.

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iamlindoro:

Upping the max jobs is fine, but is irrelevant to myth's use of multiple cores, as that does no more than say, opening two instances of firefox, or a couple terminals-- it's your OS that attempts to balance properly, not myth

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iamlindoro:

(ie, it's not myth using multiple cores, it's several applications, each using one)

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psm321_:

kale: any luck w/ the xmltv?

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kale:

it does not show up under video sources

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kale:

should i get an xmltv grabber in the listings field?

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mattwj2002:

yeah right now I am only able to transcode at about 26 frames per second :(

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psm321_:

mattwj2002: check the priority/cpu usage setting

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mattwj2002:

psm321_ where is that ?

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Dagmar:

WTF

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Dagmar:

They've short-busssed Lost?

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Dagmar:

Good lord they're putting spoiler info along the bottom of the screen during the re-air of last week's episode for hte people too dim to keep up

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mattwj2002:

lol

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GreyFoxx:

they did thatlast year too

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mattwj2002:

they don't want people to be lost :P

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Dagmar:

I've never seen it until now.

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Dagmar:

Kinda shameful

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** mattwj2002 is currently recording knight rider **

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Dagmar:

...and suddenly, the word "shameful" seems to not be expansive enough

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kale:

ah, its because the danish page containing the tv info has changed format

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iamlindoro:

some fanatical LOST fans enjoy the "enhanced" versions because they sometimes point out easter eggs you might otherwise have missed

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iamlindoro:

A particularly knowledgeable fan I know watches them all twice to see what's pointed out

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iamlindoro:

and he knows that show back to *front*

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kale:

seems mythfilldatabase is going in circles

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clever:

it allways runs in circles for a while

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kale:

so just press and hold return?

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: I don't miss easter eggs on TV.

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clever:

just wait 5–10mins

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clever:

it should normaly finish on its own enless your doing something special

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: I'm the kind of guy who figures out there's incest involved in The Demon Barber of Fleet Street halfway through it

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kale:

oh, i get it. it tries to get data for sources that are not there

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CaptObviousman:

if there's incest to be found, Dagmar is there

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CaptObviousman:

kinda creepy, actually

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Dagmar:

Well, not quite like that

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CaptObviousman:

=)

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Dagmar:

I'm just quick to put two and two together

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Dagmar:

I've gots me an analytical mind.

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CaptObviousman:

them's useful

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Dagmar:

Yep. It don't hold papers down on the desk as good as the methodical mind in the jar on my desk.

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sphery:

Nobody exists who doesn't miss easter eggs on Lost. They embed /so/ much into the show that you cannot catch unless you analyze it frame by frame. For example, who would notice that Hugo cut in front of 42 people in line at the airport when he arrived there late for his flight.

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sphery:

(42 being one of the important numbers from Season 1)

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sphery:

That's not just something that people pick up on while casually watching the show.

[02:00:38]

HopFlash:

where can I see infos about the converting of a record?

[02:02:23]

sphery:

"converting" as in transcoding a recording?

[02:02:36]

HopFlash:

yes...I think

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HopFlash:

I hope the .nuv file of over 600MB (for 10minutes) will be transcoded/converted to something smaller

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iamlindoro:

Well that's curious... never seen a single in-progress recording show up twice in recordedprogram before...

[02:03:50]

sphery:

For general usage... Transcoding to another format for use outside of Myth, see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Nuvexport . For transcoding for removing commercials/changing to a more-compressed format for archiving shows, see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythtranscode

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jams:

sometimes that will happen if the mbe restarts

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HopFlash:

sphery: thx...I will look at it

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iamlindoro:

jams, Yeah, that I've seen, they both show in progress, with identical thumbnail, with identical size

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sphery:

iamlindoro: it does that in certain circumstances... there's a bug report (unless it's just what jams is talking about)

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, this is seperate from a restarted recording

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sphery:

HopFlash: another option is to not transcode... cheap disks and all.

[02:06:24]

HopFlash:

sphery: yes...but several GB for a video from a cheap analog tv card is not good

[02:07:28]

sphery:

Not bad for a several-hour-long recording :)... Though if the file is really larger than it should be, chances are adjusting your bitrate in your recording profile would help.

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HopFlash:

ok, I will look at this too

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sphery:

HopFlash: what capture card do you have?

[02:08:35]

HopFlash:

its a WinTV-GO-FM 878

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CaptObviousman:

sphery: I think your discourse on Lost assumes people care enough about easter eggs to watch frame by frame for such minutiae

[02:08:56]

** CaptObviousman cares about this -><- much about Lost **

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HopFlash:

its several years old and only for prototyping atm ;)

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sphery:

HopFlash: are you recording in RTJPEG or MPEG-4?

[02:09:14]

iamlindoro:

Heh, but there *are* such people

[02:09:25]

iamlindoro:

and some of the easter eggs are of significantly more value :)

[02:09:37]

CaptObviousman:

I have a hard time not making fun of the show honestly

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HopFlash:

sphery: good question...I think I saw RTJPEG...but I'm very new to mythtv

[02:10:01]

sphery:

HopFlash: MPEG-4 might not be doable with your proc... But, with a Hauppauge PVR-150 or PVR-500, you'd probably get reasonably sized recordings without processor issues.

[02:10:08]

iamlindoro:

*shrug* I like it very much

[02:10:14]

CaptObviousman:

you're being taken for a rollercoaster ride where the designer's desperately building the track in front of you

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iamlindoro:

Impossible to tell if that's true until the ride is over

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CaptObviousman:

at the end when you get resolution, it'll be like a massage without a happy ending

[02:10:43]

sphery:

If you do have to to RTJPEG, then transcoding may be the right approach (until you realize that the cost--in terms of power usage--of transcoding would quickly pay for a hardware encoder like the PVR-150 or PVR-500 :)

[02:11:01]

iamlindoro:

If the conclusion comes and is satisfying and ties up the loose ends, it won't be the case-- if they end it like Alias, it will have been true

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CaptObviousman:

nah, I read some articles about it a few years ago. The writers were surprised it took off so well

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CaptObviousman:

and were scrambling to come up with more plot

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sphery:

CaptObviousman: All I'm saying is that there's too much in Lost for anyone to get without serious study. There /are/ people who study frame by frame so they can be the first to post some cool tidbit on the fora/wikis

[02:11:45]

iamlindoro:

we'll see, I'd argue they've got the mythology pretty well established at this point and have ample time to address plot threads

[02:12:01]

CaptObviousman:

yeah, things are different than when I last considered a look

[02:12:16]

CaptObviousman:

but then, I don't watch much TV outside of football so what do I know

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Dagmar:

Mainly there's still probably a lot in it that;s just stuff someone threw in to be spooky

[02:12:19]

iamlindoro:

This is why shows should have planned endings

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** CaptObviousman concurs with iamlindoro **

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HopFlash:

sphery: you are right...I think in the future there will be an other card...but first a little protoyping...and I had to look if I had to change to DVB-C or S

[02:12:33]

sphery:

CaptObviousman: and, that doesn't even account for the fact that a significant portion of the story (possibly > 50%) isn't even hinted at on the show (it's only disclosed in the alternate reality game)

[02:12:43]

CaptObviousman:

I dislike how they throw curves and bumps into the story just to fill out a season

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iamlindoro:

Saying "We're done in three seasons" gives a nice chance not to open new questions and to still have time address existing ones

[02:12:59]

Dagmar:

There's an ARG?

[02:13:03]

mikeones:

I am having issues with mythvideo. In my /var/www/myth/data directory I have a systemlink video -> /media/movies1. When I click a movie in mythweb to dl I see the path as host/myth/data/video//media/movies1/file

[02:13:10]

sphery:

HopFlash: yeah, using RTJPEG and transcoding for now is good... Just some thoughts for when you've fallen in love with myth and decide to stick with it.

[02:13:12]

CaptObviousman:

yeah, but there's money to be made in prolonging shows!

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mikeones:

I can't tell why it is pointing to http://host/myth/data/video//media/movies1/file instead of http://host/myth/media/movies1/file

[02:13:23]

CaptObviousman:

you've got everybody hooked, why not wrench every single dollar you possibly can from them

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sphery:

Dagmar: You didn't see the commercial for Octagon Global Recruiting near the end of last season's season finale?

[02:13:33]

iamlindoro:

It's the american way!

[02:13:38]

CaptObviousman:

this is how we get sequels like The Mummy 3

[02:13:44]

Dagmar:

Nope

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sphery:

Of course, that easter egg was during the commercials, so if you just skipped them with Myth, you wouldn't have seen it...

[02:14:04]

sphery:

but it announced the location where they'd be announcing the arg for this season (Comicon)

[02:14:04]

CaptObviousman:

I hope you're being facetious

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HopFlash:

sphery: ok...I think mythtv seems very fine but a bunch of documentation is missing, I think

[02:14:15]

sphery:

I'm 100% serious

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iamlindoro:

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Octagon_Global_Recruiting

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sphery:

HopFlash: Yeah... Documentation is something that's written by someone who understands Myth. Unfortunately, by the time the noobs who want documentation have learned enough about Myth to write documentation, they no longer need the documentation, so it's easier to just not write any.

[02:15:36]

HopFlash:

hmm...is there any info site in mythtv where I can see if the transaction or commercial cutting (?) had been done?

[02:16:18]

HopFlash:

sphery: yes...like the most programmer etc. ;)

[02:16:41]

sphery:

HopFlash: The mythbackend status page shows you info about jobs for a while... available at http://<hostname>:6544/ or through MythWeb under Backend Status

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sphery:

HopFlash: Also, I think it's available through mythfrontend under System Status

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** CaptObviousman 's Lost-Hate reaches new levels upon confirmation of sphery's tale **

[02:17:47]

** CaptObviousman froths at the mouth **

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HopFlash:

oh...the website is one of the things I've missed till now ;)

[02:18:04]

sphery:

I have decided that Lost on TV is worthwhile... I don't get into the ARG--I'm not willing to devote that much of my life to Lost.

[02:18:33]

** CaptObviousman doesn't watch series of any kind until they're done **

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CaptObviousman:

I detest waiting every week to find out what's coming next

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sphery:

HopFlash: Also, make sure you check out the MythTV HOWTO http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO.html and the MythTV wiki http://wiki.mythtv.org/

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CaptObviousman:

perhaps this is why I like anime mor ethan American TV. 1, sometimes 2 seasons, pre-determined, and usually weird as hell

[02:19:29]

mheath:

Can anyone speculate on what would be causing a small line of static up at the top of the screen? Doesn't appear in menus, only on TV

[02:19:41]

Dagmar:

There's a website?

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HopFlash:

yes...this things I've read...but some thing of them are out of date or concentrate on DVB

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iamlindoro:

It's not static, it's VBI

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sphery:

mheath: it's data, like captions

[02:19:51]

iamlindoro:

(Close captioning information)

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sphery:

mheath: it's supposed to be off screen, but if you don't overscan TV, it ends up on screen

[02:20:22]

mheath:

Ahh. Wheres the setting to do that?

[02:20:45]

HopFlash:

hmm...VLC is not able to show the nuv files?

[02:20:45]

iamlindoro:

ad your broadcaster's facility ;)

[02:20:46]

iamlindoro:

at

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sphery:

HopFlash: yeah, there's very little surviving documentation for frame grabbers (cards like yours that give uncompressed frames to the program for it to compress using the CPU). Most people have either hardware encoders or are receiving digital TV (already encoded/compressed).

[02:21:54]

sphery:

mheath: is your TV from digital capture cards/firewire or is it from an analog encoder card?

[02:21:54]

mheath:

iamlindoro: I know theres a way to at least artifically avoid that content. WMC never showed anything like that.

[02:22:29]

iamlindoro:

they are likely cropping the picture

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iamlindoro:

as there's no way to just take it out without a transcode to crop it

[02:23:03]

mheath:

iamlindoro: yes, and I'm fine with that. How can I set that up?

[02:23:04]

** sphery waits for an answer so he doesn't have to answer for both conditions **

[02:23:11]

iamlindoro:

you can zoom the picture a bit in myth, similarly

[02:23:18]

sphery:

mheath: is your TV from ^^^ (see above)?

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mheath:

sphery: analog encoder card (PVR-150)

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iamlindoro:

in playback settings

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iamlindoro:

Utilities/Setup->Setup->TV Settings->Playback... and do answer sphery

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sphery:

mheath: then your options are to set a filter on recording that crops, set a filter on playback that crops, overscan using myth (so it draws part of the video offscreen), overscan using your video cards (so it draws part of X offscreen)

[02:24:36]

sphery:

actually, there's a 5th... ignore the static-y data at the top of the picutre

[02:24:59]

iamlindoro:

And number 6, drop yucky analog capture devices!

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sphery:

and, possibly a 6th, depending on your TV... overscan using your TV's scaler

[02:25:15]

iamlindoro:

Sorry, 6 is already spoken for

[02:25:21]

sphery:

ok, 7th, then

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mheath:

sphery: I think what I'm looking for is ovwerscan using myth...Where would I set that up? Where iamlindoro mentioned?

[02:25:40]

sphery:

but then again, no need to drop analog until June... That's what Congress told me.

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sphery:

mheath: yep

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** sphery curses iamlindoro's psychic abilities... Mutants like him should be rounded up by the Company and put on a plane that might crash into the ocean. **

[02:26:43]

iamlindoro:

or on an island, in three pieces

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iamlindoro:

I call Body section!

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sphery:

I'm thinking there might be a small spoiler in there... I'm thinking you haven't seen the show I'm referencing.

[02:27:17]

iamlindoro:

Tailes and nosies didn't do well

[02:27:19]

iamlindoro:

tailies, that is

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sphery:

true... but wrong universe.

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iamlindoro:

Erm... I'm behind on Heroes

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iamlindoro:

haven't seen this weeks

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sphery:

one day you will understand

[02:27:53]

iamlindoro:

thanks for ruining Christmas again

[02:28:00]

iamlindoro:

You're the reason mommy drinks

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Dagmar:

The plane crash in Heroes is still "in progress" so to speak.

[02:28:22]

sphery:

true...

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sphery:

though I'm thinking the psychic doesn't yet know about it.

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Dagmar:

The bad part about watching multiple seasons of Lost in the space of a few days to catch up is that if you're watching just the one episode you REALLY get pissed when it's over after an hour

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CaptObviousman:

yes

[02:34:21]

** CaptObviousman wants to see The Sopranos now that it's all done and published **

[02:34:27]

CaptObviousman:

but no one I know has it already

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sphery:

NetFlix?

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CaptObviousman:

and I'm too cheap to buy it myself

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sphery:

BlockBuster?

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CaptObviousman:

my parents have an account coming to the house already

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** CaptObviousman whines **

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CaptObviousman:

stop being logical

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poisonberry17:

um how do you install mythtv on ubuntu?

[02:36:00]

poisonberry17:

i cant figure it out...

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sphery:

poisonberry17: best way: http://mythbuntu.org/

[02:37:05]

poisonberry17:

oh, haha, thanks

[02:37:10]

poisonberry17:

i feel kinda stupid now...

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poisonberry17:

mythbunut. should thought of that.

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poisonberry17:

=P

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sphery:

No need... If you hadn't heard of it, you couldn't know about it.

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poisonberry17:

I suppose

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poisonberry17:

well.. thanks

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sphery:

But MythBuntu is basically Ubuntu that someone(s) else has already gone through and configured to work with Myth. It's definitely the way to go for getting started with Myth on a *buntu system. (And MythDora being the way to go for getting started with Myth on a Fedora system.)

[02:38:36]

sphery:

enjoy

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HopFlash:

hmm...do I see right that there is no transcoding to xvid (or similar) option in mythtv itself?

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sphery:

The MythBuntu guys are very active and keep up to date with changes in Myth. They have a pretty great product.

[02:39:34]

sphery:

HopFlash: nope... You could use nuvexport to go to xvid and put it in MythVideo

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sphery:

HopFlash: but I think if you just do mythtranscode to MPEG-4 (in NuppelVideo/NUV container), you'll be happy.

[02:40:14]

HopFlash:

yes...it's running but I thought that I would be fine to start this process automatically after recording a show

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sphery:

works great in Myth... Terrible if you plan to watch recordings through Windows, but then again in Windows you miss all the benefits of Myth, so don't do that.

[02:40:37]

sphery:

HopFlash: look up User Jobs on the wiki

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HopFlash:

ah...ok...this could work with a little work ;)

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sphery:

at the bottom of the page are examples for transcoding, etc.

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sphery:

HopFlash: but, really, for playback /in myth/ you don't want xvid

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sphery:

stick with MPEG-2 in MPEG Systems stream or RTJPEG or MPEG-4 in NUV

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HopFlash:

is the quality so bad with xvid? or why?

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sphery:

basically because the recordings in Myth are either MPEG-2 in MPEG Systems stream or RTJPEG or MPEG-4 in NUV, the recordings section makes assumptions that work best with video in those formats

[02:44:13]

sphery:

If you're willing to dump recordings into MythVideo, then you'd be fine using any format you want (but you lose all the great TV information/interface stuff--as MythVideo is designed more for movies)

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sphery:

and note that XviD is just MPEG-4 in an MPEG-4 container. mythtrancode makes MPEG-4 in an NUV container, so there's really very little difference

[02:45:03]

sphery:

(basically none to the compression/CODEC)

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HopFlash:

atm I have no grapper for the german programs and so no infos :(

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** sphery glosses over the whole implementation thing **

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HopFlash:

:)

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sphery:

well, either way, but in the recordings section, using one of the well-tested/best-supported formats will serve you best

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HopFlash:

hmm...if I have shows as videos atm on my pc...is there a way to integrated them into the tv part of mythtv?

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sphery:

possible but a /lot/ of work

[02:47:43]

sphery:

much easier to just dump them into MythVideo

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HopFlash:

ok...in the next days I had to control the flickering of my TV to which the pc with mythtv is connected

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sphery:

HopFlash: Also, make sure that in mythfrontend settings under TV Playback you select the Slim playback profile group. If you have what you probably have (CPU+), you can get jumpiness from it.

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HopFlash:

hmm...ok...my interface is in german...this could be tricky to find

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sphery:

In English, it's: Utilities/Setup->Setup->TV Settings->Playback and it's the 3rd page "Current Video Playback Profile"

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sphery:

(the page is called "Playback Profiles (3/3)", but the setting to change is "Current Video Playback Profile"

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HopFlash:

ah...found

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HopFlash:

ok...why slim?

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sphery:

Slim is a good one... It's basically the same as the software-decoded rendering used by 0.20 and before.

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HopFlash:

btw. here it is (3/9)

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sphery:

weird

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Playback_profiles

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HopFlash:

ah..ok...thx...you are a great help

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sphery:

Heh... The "weird" is my inability to read... It's 3/9 here, also.

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HopFlash:

ok :)

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HopFlash:

ok...I think I have configured it for the moment....I will go sleeping...cu

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unimaginative:

For some reason, the backend "recorded" the latest episode of 'Lie to Me', however, the file is gone.

[03:38:33]

unimaginative:

http://rafb.net/p/9Tn4IJ11.html

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psm321_:

check the log in system status for recording failed or something like that

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sphery:

unimaginative: or an expired recording

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psm321_:

shouldnt expired recordings disappear from the db? (i wouldnt know... i dont use autoexpire)

[03:42:02]

sphery:

yeah, they would

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unimaginative:

sphery: it _shouldnt_ be expired, it was just recorded!

[03:42:38]

unimaginative:

let me check.

[03:42:53]

sphery:

well, if there's nothing higher priority to expire, it will happily expire what it just recorded.

[03:42:54]

psm321_:

does it show up in watch recordings?

[03:43:07]

sphery:

but as psm321_ said, if it's still in Watch Recordings, it wasn't expired

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unimaginative:

hold on, looking for remote. the wife can't put stuff back where it belongs

[03:45:25]

sphery:

unimaginative: why does it say it recorded "Lie to Me" "A Perfect Score" on chanid 5244 (from 20:12:56 to 21:00) and 1009 (from 21:00:01 to 21:00:02)...

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sphery:

did you delete the partial recording from 5244?

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unimaginative:

sphery: channel 1009 is analog, channel 5244 is digital. They both have the same XMLTVID's

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unimaginative:

I'm not sure why it records using both tuners.

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sphery:

same callsign?

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sphery:

if you're using EIT for the digital one, that would also make them seem like different episodes

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unimaginative:

sphery: and I've gotta figure out why two tuners are 'watching live tv' when my only running frontend is idle.

[03:48:14]

unimaginative:

sphery: I'm not using EIT, I was the one with the backend segfault, remember?

[03:48:16]

psm321_:

hmm i see 4 "finished recordings" and 1 "started recording"

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sphery:

that happens when the frontend dies

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sphery:

unimaginative: ok, couldn't remember

[03:49:04]

unimaginative:

sphery: agreed, the wife static shocked the frontend causing it to hard reset

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psm321_:

unimaginative: have you checked whether those files physically exist on the filesystem? (recardless of what frontend says)

[03:49:13]

unimaginative:

sphery: not sure how to get it to 'forget'

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psm321_:

quitting the backend is one way

[03:49:33]

unimaginative:

psm321_: I doubt they exist on the system, due to what the backend log was complaining about

[03:49:39]

unimaginative:

psm321_: lemme restart backend real quick then.

[03:49:41]

psm321_:

i would double check

[03:49:51]

psm321_:

also do you transcode things at all?

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sphery:

unimaginative: though what happened to the partial recording 20:12–21:00 of Lie to Me? It seems like for some reason when the backend was told to stop recording that episode, it decided to stop recording the 21:00 episode (probably because of duplicate detection).

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unimaginative:

psm321_: I don't do transcoding

[03:50:17]

sphery:

so, if you deleted the partial recording, that's why there's no file.

[03:50:20]

fruit-fly:

let me get this clear, I am forced to PAY for usa location in order to get tv listings?

[03:50:25]

psm321_:

i've had race conditions where if something crashed at the wrong time the transcoded filename wasnt updated in the db

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fruit-fly:

what about xmltv?

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sphery:

fruit-fly: you are not forced to pay for data

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unimaginative:

fruit-fly: you're not FORCED to do anything. I prefer to pay $20/year to get accurate and reliable listings.

[03:51:03]

sphery:

fruit-fly: you may use Myth without data (though you'd be better off with a VCR, probably)

[03:51:09]

unimaginative:

fruit-fly: and schedulesdirect was formed from the guys who ran xmltv, IIRC.

[03:51:18]

fruit-fly:

so where do I get the free and inaccurate?

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psm321_:

i'd quibble with the accurate/reliable part a bit, but definitely worth it for the price (and i'm sure more reliable than scraping)

[03:51:35]

sphery:

fruit-fly: but, you /have the privilege/ of paying only $20/yr to get the same data that TiVo customers pay some $15+/mo to get

[03:52:10]

clever:

i just had a crazy idea

[03:52:14]

clever:

OCR the tv guide channel:P

[03:52:16]

sphery:

fruit-fly: there are no known legal places from which you can get TV listings data for the US without paying

[03:52:32]

fruit-fly:

oh ok. Just that this is not for me.

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psm321_:

clever: funny, i was thinking that earlier today or yesterday when somebody asked if they could use their sat box's guide with myth

[03:52:45]

sphery:

fruit-fly: if you find one, the XMLTV guys would help you write a grabber to retrieve that data

[03:53:02]

unimaginative:

psm321_: ls: cannot access 5244_20090204201300*: No such file or directory

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psm321_:

fruit-fly: it's really worth it for the cost, and there is a free trial if youre concerned about how well it will work

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unimaginative:

it appears the recording is gone.

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sphery:

unimaginative: yeah, did you delete it because it was a partial recording?

[03:53:37]

unimaginative:

fruit-fly: I was skeptical at first, but i've been impressed.

[03:53:38]

fruit-fly:

well, whoever wants mythtv I'll let them know

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psm321_:

oh, i misread your "it's not for me" :)

[03:54:18]

fruit-fly:

ok, thanks, pardon my bewildered misunderstanding

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unimaginative:

sphery: I didn't delete anything personally. It obviously was deleted, I'm trying to figure out why.

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iamlindoro:

unimaginative, Have you recorded anything on that same channel since?

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iamlindoro:

I'd set up a recording on that channel right now and see what happens

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sphery:

good thought iamlindoro

[03:55:09]

iamlindoro:

Sounds like it's been moved

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sphery:

if it's a 0B recording, it will be automatically deleted

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unimaginative:

iamlindoro: I'm assuming so, before I restarted backend that tuner was still recording.

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psm321_:

umm, i have 0B files from failed recordings stick around all the time

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sphery:

unimaginative: ls 5244_2009020420*

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unimaginative:

iamlindoro: uh, let me check the channel, It was a digital channel and some of my digital's are botched.

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unimaginative:

sphery: that one exists.

[03:56:14]

sphery:

what's its name?

[03:56:26]

unimaginative:

sphery: i'd have to query the database real quick, let me check.

[03:56:40]

sphery:

5244_20090204200001.mpg

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unimaginative:

chanid 5244 is KRIV, channum 9.2

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iamlindoro:

Set up a recording on that channel for right now

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unimaginative:

name 'KRIV ()'

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psm321_:

unimaginative: i think sphery wanted the filename

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psm321_:

of the file that you saw with his ls

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sphery:

yeah, filename

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sphery:

I'm guessing it's 5244_20090204200001.mpg

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unimaginative:

iamlindoro: okay, 'tuner 2 is recording'

[03:58:55]

unimaginative:

sphery: just a second

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unimaginative:

-rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv video 4.5G Feb 4 21:00 5244_20090204200001.mpg

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unimaginative:

-rw-rw-rw- 1 mythtv video 70K Feb 4 21:00 5244_20090204200001.mpg.png

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** psm321_ would love to hear the reasoning behind that guess **

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sphery:

that's the one it made a preview of.

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psm321_:

oh

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psm321_:

:)

[03:59:48]

sphery:

Myth will create the name using chanid_starttime.mpg, but if that filename is already in use, it increments the seconds by 1

[03:59:54]

sphery:

so for some reason it did that...

[04:00:12]

psm321_:

i was gonna say, i dont think ive ever seen seconds other than 00

[04:00:20]

sphery:

So, did you restart the backend around 20:12 or so?

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unimaginative:

sphery: that sounds about the time the wife zapped the frontend, but the backend shouldnt' have been affected.

[04:01:12]

sphery:

LiveTV or scheduled recording?

[04:01:21]

iamlindoro:

Holy crap am I ever happy about the good news from LOST tonight

[04:01:50]

GreyFoxx:

Which good news?

[04:02:00]

unimaginative:

at 20:12?, I'm not sure what it would have been called, but I told the wife to record 'Lie to Me' via mythweb

[04:02:17]

iamlindoro:

the who's still around news

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sphery:

It looks like maybe it was a recording...

[04:03:06]

GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: Ahh yeah

[04:03:20]

GreyFoxx:

I just finished watching it. I agree I am happy with that news to :)

[04:03:36]

iamlindoro:

yes. Had been not happy about that

[04:04:11]

iamlindoro:

anyway, </spoilers> :)

[04:04:14]

iamlindoro:

ish

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unimaginative:

iamlindoro: it should be recording 'Fox 26 news at 9' but there is no such recording in the 'recordings' screen. Usually you can start watching once it's started recording (comes up in green text)

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sphery:

unimaginative: I'm not sure what's happening here... If that's a backend only log (i.e. doesn't contain both mythbackend /and/ mythfrontend logging), it looks like the whole backend restarted between 20:09:22 and 20:11:45, which would explain having 5244_20090204200000.mpg and 5244_20090204200001.mpg

[04:04:40]

sphery:

unimaginative: though I don't see why the files would disappear

[04:05:18]

unimaginative:

sphery: my backend is on a seperate machine, so that should be backend only log.

[04:05:28]

sphery:

did we ever get an answer about whether the metadata still exists (i.e. whether it's still listed in Watch Recordings)?

[04:05:31]

unimaginative:

and I'm not ruling out the possibility that the backend didn't go wonky.

[04:05:43]

unimaginative:

sphery: it is not listed in 'watch recordings'

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psm321_:

unimaginative: how bout a new log with the fox 26 news?

[04:06:06]

unimaginative:

psm321_: http://rafb.net/p/63wTS290.html

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unimaginative:

let me cancel the recording, and try to actually tune the channel. I'll bet the frequency,mplex,etc are off

[04:07:18]

iamlindoro:

2009-02–04 22:00:01.656 Unable to read configuration file mysql.txt

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iamlindoro:

Generally not a good thing

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iamlindoro:

touched any config.xml or mysql.txt files lately?

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unimaginative:

iamlindoro: where is it looking for mysql.txt?

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iamlindoro:

presumably database access information

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unimaginative:

iamlindoro: I know what's IN mysql.txt :) where should the file be located? I can put a copy there right now.

[04:08:41]

iamlindoro:

It can exist in a number of places, I asked whether you had touched any of those files lately

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sphery:

ideally you won't have one

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unimaginative:

iamlindoro: not that I remember. That error message has been coming up for a while.

[04:09:09]

iamlindoro:

deleted/modified/copied from a windows box/etc.

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psm321_:

sphery: i had to create one yesterday on my new frontend because it was only reading the stuff from config.xml half the time (the other half it would bring up the autoconfig stuff)

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iamlindoro:

I'm only half paying attention, have we had any hard shutdowns, and if so, have we checked his DB?

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unimaginative:

iamlindoro: no hard backend shutdowns, only hard frontend shutdowns.

[04:10:10]

iamlindoro:

psm321_, the config.xml supercedes the mysql.txt. Mysql.txt is deprecated

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sphery:

iamlindoro: good call

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iamlindoro:

unimaginative, check your DB

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sphery:

unimaginative: try running optimize_mythdb.pl

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psm321_:

iamlindoro: i understand, but my config.xml wasnt working half the time

[04:10:32]

psm321_:

no idea why

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iamlindoro:

the half the time you were another user, most likely ;)

[04:10:46]

psm321_:

nope

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psm321_:

same user

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iamlindoro:

well it won't just half work, that's just not a possibility

[04:10:59]

psm321_:

not a good user (was running as root), but the same user

[04:11:08]

psm321_:

shrug

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sphery:

might half work if the IP addresses change

[04:11:26]

sphery:

i.e. DHCP without static addresses

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iamlindoro:

ew

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fruit-fly:

why does mythtv use OSS sound? e.g. /dev/dspX

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psm321_:

fruit-fly: if youre talking output, you can change it to alsa

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iamlindoro:

MythTV will only use OSS sound for capture from framegrabbers-- by default, sound output will be via ALSA

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sphery:

unimaginative: Can you pastebin the output of: SELECT title, subtitle, basename FROM recorded WHERE title = 'Lie to Me' AND subtitle = 'A Perfect Score'; SELECT title, subtitle, basename FROM oldrecorded WHERE title = 'Lie to Me' AND subtitle = 'A Perfect Score'

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sphery:

(that's 2 queries, but you can copy paste them together if you like)

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unimaginative:

sphery: does optimize_mythdb.pl require configuration?

[04:13:56]

unimaginative:

sphery: I can check the db via mythweb.

[04:13:58]

sphery:

if your perl bindings are installed and you have a valid ~/.mythtv/config.xml, it will work

[04:14:06]

sphery:

the MythWeb approach is fine

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sphery:

do the Repair one, not the check

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fruit-fly:

psm321_: I am talking when configuring mythtv

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psm321_:

huh?

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iamlindoro:

fruit-fly, We're talking about configuring mythtv too... but I suspect you are talking about capture settings

[04:15:02]

unimaginative:

sphery: repair is done, checking db

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iamlindoro:

and if you are, then yes, it uses OSS to capture because you haven't submitted that patch to have it capture using ALSA yet

[04:15:33]

sphery:

Actually, someone did submit one...

[04:15:34]

iamlindoro:

and because framegrabbers are crap and should all be consumed in a fire

[04:15:53]

iamlindoro:

sphery, When? or was it horrible?

[04:15:54]

sphery:

But what's the point in taking time to test it when framegrabbers should be consumed ina fire

[04:16:32]

iamlindoro:

indeed

[04:16:51]

unimaginative:

sphery: http://rafb.net/p/mbUqGP89.html

[04:17:02]

** iamlindoro suspects the next words out of sphery's mouth will be a link to a ticket **

[04:17:11]

sphery:

iamlindoro: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3405

[04:17:16]

iamlindoro:

YES

[04:17:25]

iamlindoro:

I rule

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sphery:

He *is* psychic!

[04:17:29]

sphery:

mutant

[04:18:02]

iamlindoro:

unfortunately I have read-only access to brains

[04:18:09]

iamlindoro:

777 would be much more fun

[04:18:23]

unimaginative:

sphery: there is not 'basename' fieled in the recorded table

[04:18:23]

Dagmar:

Hmm... and you really need eat-only access for that to work

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sphery:

unimaginative: ls -l /path/to/recordings/{5244_20090204200001,1009_20090204200000}.mpg

[04:18:41]

sphery:

unimaginative: please change /path/to/recordings/ as approprite

[04:18:58]

Dagmar:

Why the curly braces

[04:19:17]

sphery:

unimaginative: you're right... Nevermind about oldrecorded, though... Since the data was in recorded, I don't need the fallback. (Stupid copy/paste...)

[04:19:29]

unimaginative:

coldfire recordings # ls -l /recordings/{5244_20090204200001,1009_20090204200000}.mpg

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unimaginative:

-rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv video 2334998528 Feb 4 21:00 /recordings/1009_20090204200000.mpg

[04:19:35]

unimaginative:

-rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv video 4811333600 Feb 4 21:00 /recordings/5244_20090204200001.mpg

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sphery:

Dagmar: so it lists both without my having to type the path twice

[04:20:39]

Dagmar:

Fair nudd

[04:20:42]

Dagmar:

s/nudd/nuff/;

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sphery:

unimaginative: it looks like you have 2 recordings of Lie to Me, The Perfect Score... did we ever get an answer about whether the metadata still exists (i.e. whether it's still listed in Watch Recordings)?

[04:20:58]

Dagmar:

Too busy giggling at the murderous hamster to be able to type

[04:21:12]

unimaginative:

sphery: it is _not_ listed in Watch Recordings.

[04:21:58]

sphery:

unimaginative: sorry if you've answered that 10 times... I keep getting distracted.

[04:22:33]

sphery:

unimaginative: So, I think it all comes down to... Drum roll, please... http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Q . . . ecordings.3F

[04:22:48]

unimaginative:

sphery: not upset, just trying to be clear :)

[04:23:19]

sphery:

yeah, I didn't take it as you being upset... Just as you realizing that I need help seeing the answer...

[04:24:23]

unimaginative:

sphery: I hate you.

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psm321_:

i'm still wondering why it said started recording at 20:13 :)

[04:25:04]

unimaginative:

sphery: Watch Recordings filter was already set to "All Programs", but it was further down the list i guess. I see it now.

[04:25:44]

sphery:

unimaginative: Glad you found it.

[04:25:50]

unimaginative:

sphery: but there are actually two recordings, one for each channel apparently.

[04:25:55]

unimaginative:

one digital one analog.

[04:25:56]

sphery:

I couldn't think of /any/ reason why it wouldn't be there.

[04:26:05]

sphery:

yeah... That's what it looked like.

[04:26:19]

unimaginative:

I don't know why it recorded on both.

[04:26:26]

unimaginative:

I wonder if I have two recordings of fox news.

[04:27:05]

sphery:

I also realized that my quoted start time was off on the 1009 one. It seems your logs are the logs from the last 2 backend restarts, so I didn't have the log of it starting the 1009 recording and I misread a "Finished recording" as "Started recording"

[04:27:28]

sphery:

which just says it's way too late to be digging through logs, so back to my TV watching... :)

[04:28:19]

** sphery wonders if this was an elaborate plot to get more people interested in Lie to Me... A user Lie(s) to Me about a missing recording that's really not missing and hilarity ensues. **

[04:28:31]

unimaginative:

sphery: sorry.

[04:28:49]

sphery:

I'm not complaining. It was a feeble attempt at humor.

[04:28:58]

unimaginative:

I've got three recordings for 'Fox 26 News at 9' – the recording that iamlindoro had me start.

[04:29:31]

unimaginative:

ahh, i see now

[04:29:50]

unimaginative:

it was already recording using both tuners, then I restarted backend and set up the recording. the recording itself only used one tuner

[04:29:53]

** unimaginative goes back to sleep **

[04:30:28]

unimaginative:

sphery: thanks for your help

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sphery:

enjoy

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fruit-fly:

ok that explains it. Se the tuner card is the one using OSS. That sucks, now I gotta change all USE flags to support oss

[04:31:16]

fruit-fly:

no wonder I wasn't getting sound

[04:32:07]

Dagmar:

Or, you could, you know, just stop worrying about the USE flags and let it autodetect things

[04:32:48]

fruit-fly:

I am a control-freak

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sphery:

Dagmar: But that wouldn't be too Gentoo-like, you know not breaking the build by randomly disabling things with no idea of the effect it has.

[04:33:18]

Dagmar:

Nevar!

[04:34:10]

fruit-fly:

exactly

[04:34:21]

fruit-fly:

what if I wanna learn?

[04:34:35]

sphery:

I will admit that breaking things is a great way to learn

[04:34:38]

Dagmar:

That would mean stopping using USE flags

[04:36:47]

Dagmar:

Breaking things in specific ways is useful

[04:37:03]

Dagmar:

Just randomly smashin' sh*t like Michael Jackson in a music video isn't.

[04:37:58]

sphery:

true, and if doing the latter, you actually learn from the fixing that comes after, not the breaking

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sphery:

Is http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/369636#369636 really saying that he has '- All Hosts -' as a hostname?

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iamlindoro:

I believe he's saying he has no idea how MySQL works

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Dagmar:

This is why I say people should never touch the database manually.

[05:28:09]

Dagmar:

Never, ever.

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Dagmar:

if they knew what they were doing they wouldn't have to ask other people questions about it.

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sphery:

Only thing I can think of that might do something like that would be jams' patch (where '- All Hosts -' would be a "placeholder" hostname for a template (though I still haven't gotten around to looking at the patch to see how it works, so it probably doesn't do that).

[05:29:07]

perilousapricot:

I'm getting this from my mythtv-status. normal or normallest? "Total Disk Space.: Total space is __drive_total_total__ MB ..."

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sphery:

I guess you might be able to specify a unique identifier of '- All Hosts -', but why would you choose that?

[05:31:04]

sphery:

perilousapricot: Sounds like a bug in the script or some part of it has changed and you have different versions. Unless the author speaks up here (don't know if he hangs out here), you'll probably need to contact him through a post to the -users list with a good subject to get his attention.

[05:32:32]

perilousapricot:

hm, there's another error complaining about perl bindings

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perilousapricot:

that's probably it

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perilousapricot:

now to find out why..

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Dagmar:

sphery: A lack of parental beatings, or perhaps an excess of mercury in the water

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Dagmar:

Something with that semantic value should never be used like that

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jams:

sphery- yes "Default" and "Default1" are used for my patch. It has nothing todo with "-all hosts-"

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mattwj2002:

hi guys

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mattwj2002:

guys I have another question

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mattwj2002:

this time about commerical skip

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mattwj2002:

I see that there is an option in the frontend to turn this one

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mattwj2002:

*on

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mattwj2002:

any way to have this auto done with the recordings?

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mikeones:

mattwj2002: I think you can set it globaly

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mattwj2002:

will it remove from the actual video files?

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mattwj2002:

*remove the commercials I mean

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xris:

nice.. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Schedules_Direct#Q . . . es_Direct.3F is empty

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iamlindoro:

It's just that simple ;)

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RyeBrye:

mattwj2002: you have to flag commercials first

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xris:

heh

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xris:

fixed now

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RyeBrye:

mattwj2002: you have to tell it to flag comercials before it can skip them

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mattwj2002:

I think it is flagging them all ready.....

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mattwj2002:

because according to mythweb it is flagging commericals

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RyeBrye:

ok

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RyeBrye:

it's for each recording

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mattwj2002:

yes

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RyeBrye:

hit "m" when it's playing and scroll down to commercial auto skip – and turn it on

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RyeBrye:

or you can turn it on globally in your prefs

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mattwj2002:

yup I did that

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mattwj2002:

but how do I remove it from the files?

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RyeBrye:

oh

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RyeBrye:

transcode it

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mattwj2002:

can I setup it up to auto transcode the commericals out?

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RyeBrye:

you can, but you probably don't want to

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RyeBrye:

com flagging isn't perfect

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RyeBrye:

you have to currently load a cutlist before it will cut them out

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RyeBrye:

hit "e" then hit "z" and it reads in the cutlist

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mattwj2002:

okay

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RyeBrye:

then hit "e" again and get out of the editor

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mattwj2002:

we if it isn't prefect I'll just want

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mattwj2002:

*wait until it is

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mattwj2002:

:)

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RyeBrye:

I don't know if it will ever be perfect

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mattwj2002:

well I mean good enough to do it automatically

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mattwj2002:

:)

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mattwj2002:

being able to skip in the front end is good enough

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mattwj2002:

:)

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mattwj2002:

this commerical skipping is pretty good

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tank-man:

why do you hate america

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mattwj2002:

because I had to put up with Bush for 8 years

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dmz:

evening everyone, is it possible to easily remove a directory from a storage directory group (& move files from directory & still work?

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clever:

sounds perfectly safe

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dmz:

what sounds safe?

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justinh:

muh, why can't we have a pony? (STB). lol

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dmz:

ok another question, i am using a pvr500 and it has the volume really low for all recordings. i've tuned alsa as high as i can, how can i get the recorded volume higher?

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justinh:

you can set the input recording volume in recording profiles :)

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laga:

justinh: why so happy? ;)

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justinh:

the users ML is funny

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jduggan:

justinh: no snow day? :S

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justinh:

it's snowing, but I'll be going to work when I've walked the doggy

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justinh:

when he's done greeding toast from me. little bugger

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justinh:

hmm. the girl who died in that sledging accident was 'a gifted pupil'. aren't they always? I doubt we'll ever hear "a really nice person but they were really quite thick"

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justinh:

laga: oh, I'm hacking code again & it's great fun. more fun than playing with blender, that's for sure :)

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clever:

will it blend!: justinh!

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** lyricnz is adding disks to his rather old mythtv backend. What filesystem should I use (for recordings)? I've always just used ext3 because I'm lazy – but this might be a dumb choice. **

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Dibblah:

ext2.

[10:35:26]

Dibblah:

ext3 is stupid on fsyncs.

[10:36:14]

Dibblah:

ie an fsync acts as a sync and writes all data to disk – Which means that Myth is sitting waiting for all the data to flush, since fsync is synchronous.

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sulx:

ext4

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Dibblah:

... has the same issue.

[10:39:39]

Dibblah:

Of course, the other option is to remove the fsync in Myth.

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justinh:

argghhhh stupid effing work wiki. allegedly, all the software & webpage zips you'll ever need are there, and they're all pre-release stuff. great! except that there are some super-top secret ones which can never go on there, and you have to be 'in the know' to get them. Excellent. So who's in the know? Oh, nobody can tell me that. wa**ers

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Dibblah:

Then you can use all you want.

[10:40:28]

Dibblah:

Heh.

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justinh:

so now tell me how I'm supposed to configure this machine without knowing where to get the software for it. meh

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** ruskie suggest application of hammer to the top of persons **

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justinh:

hmmm very tempting

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jduggan:

http://sigkill.noffle.net/~jduggan/vanstuckinsnow.jpg

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justinh:

stuck? pfft

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ruskie:

stuck?

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ruskie:

just because they can't be arsed to put winter gear on...

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jduggan:

yea, he stopped for someone infront and lost momentum, had to have people push him

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jduggan:

ruskie: this is the UK, we dont have 'winter gear'

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jduggan:

we can get 1" of snow and the country grinds to a halt

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justinh:

I saw somebody with snow tyres once about 15 years ago

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ruskie:

yeah so I've noticed ;)

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ruskie:

don't need snow tires... chains are enough...

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justinh:

rather you than me fella

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jduggan:

chains are effort

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ruskie:

lol

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jduggan:

when you can drive five minutes and hit a clear spot

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ruskie:

takes like 30s to put them on

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jduggan:

its bad to drive on tarmac with chains right?

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ruskie:

true

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justinh:

yeah if you have had the practise

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ruskie:

justinh, no that was for me the first time I was putting them on...

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ruskie:

30s...

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jduggan:

ruskie: so its pointless in the UK

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Dibblah:

Owning chains in the UK is stupid.

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ruskie:

I mean most people can follow a printed diagram

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Dibblah:

... For most peopls.

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jduggan:

ruskie: do you have to jack the car, or can you drive onto them

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ruskie:

neither

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ruskie:

standing still put them on... go...

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ruskie:

this isn't old school chain tech... this is the new idiot proff stuff

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jduggan:

bleh dunno

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justinh:

anyway, I've driven in worse without chains or snow tyres. you either had to learn how to cope or get stuck a long walk from anywhere :)

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ruskie:

erm proof

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jduggan:

i doubt you can even get snow chains in the UK

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ruskie:

justinh, 90% of my driving lessons were in such conditions

[10:49:51]

jduggan:

justinh: yea ive driven in worse some people are just muppets

[10:49:57]

jduggan:

ruskie: are you scandinavian?

[10:50:07]

ruskie:

nope

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justinh:

I learned to drive in snow too. doing doughnuts in a vacant snow-bound carpark with my driving instructor :D

[10:50:25]

ruskie:

but that looks a lot like what we had here for the past few days...

[10:50:33]

jduggan:

topgear episode claimed you have to master sliding in snow to pass your test in finland/sweden

[10:50:38]

ruskie:

justdave, lol I actually learned how to drive properlly ;)

[10:50:47]

jduggan:

ruskie: which country?

[10:50:52]

ruskie:

slovenia

[10:50:58]

justinh:

ruskie: there was a degree of learning skid control there too

[10:51:00]

jduggan:

ah

[10:51:23]

ruskie:

problem around here is the road clening services tend to mess up each and every time

[10:51:32]

ivor:

heh, i leared and passed my motorbike test in the ice and snow one year! :)

[10:51:36]

jduggan:

borg

[10:51:37]

jduggan:

!

[10:52:39]

jduggan:

is slovenia former yugoslavia?

[10:52:45]

ruskie:

yeah

[10:52:49]

ruskie:

we were the first to split off

[10:52:53]

jduggan:

well in that case

[10:52:55]

ruskie:

start of 90'

[10:52:55]

jduggan:

ja sam jduggan

[10:52:56]

jduggan:

:D

[10:53:09]

ruskie:

Jaz sem ruskie ;)

[10:53:16]

jduggan:

ok, so spelling is off

[10:53:19]

jduggan:

;]

[10:53:21]

ruskie:

no

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sid3windr:

jazz seam.

[10:53:23]

ruskie:

language is off

[10:53:49]

jduggan:

my step-father is of croatian descent

[10:54:12]

jduggan:

they have an appartment in porec

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jduggan:

and of course this is all relative to the mythtical pvr

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jduggan:

;]

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ruskie:

your spelling is proper for croatian ;)

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justinh:

BAH THIS IS KEEPING ME FROM MY CODING

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justinh:

oops

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jduggan:

ruskie: ah, k good

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jduggan:

:P

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justinh:

to hell with 'proper' work

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ruskie:

:)

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ivor:

justinh: caps lock rulez. :)

[10:56:46]

justinh:

I HATE these products. they're a barrel of shite compared to what we used to make

[10:57:12]

ivor:

which are?

[10:57:24]

justinh:

cctv dvrs

[10:57:29]

justinh:

dee vee arse more like

[10:57:36]

ivor:

ah. I've been playing with those recently.

[10:58:01]

justinh:

somebody made the great decision to make the GUI frontend in java & html

[10:58:06]

ivor:

one of the rapidos BT879 based thingies.... and a really cheap syntek thing.

[10:58:32]

ivor:

cctv'ing the homestead! :)

[10:58:40]

justinh:

I dunno if you've ever seen a webpage with un-antialiased fonts & graphics on a composite video connection, but it sucks

[10:58:48]

jduggan:

lol

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ivor:

euw. and yup I have.

[10:59:12]

justinh:

and running the web server & browser on the puniest of DSPs.. oops

[10:59:38]

justinh:

remember when you'd press a button on the front panel & something would happen immediately? oh not anymore

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ivor:

ah bit like an EPIA running myth? :D

[11:00:37]

justinh:

remember when the screen would refresh virtually instantly? oh now, what happens is it redraws pixel line by pixel line. and not in like a tenth of a second

[11:00:48]

justinh:

ivor: the epia was better

[11:05:04]

justinh:

video quality was better then too. and network streaming

[11:05:35]

justinh:

this is what we get for buying a fabless chip company :-\

[11:05:46]

justinh:

stuck with using their crap

[11:15:47]

Dibblah:

You're saying fabless is not fab?

[11:16:49]

Dibblah:

justinh: You'd like it over in ##electronics at the moment. A guy is trying to build his own hierarchical storage system with a PCIe bus.

[11:16:56]

Dibblah:

His first plan is to breadboard it.

[11:17:14]

Dibblah:

ie RAM -> Flash -> HD

[11:17:52]

thefront is now known as thefRont

[11:18:11]

Dibblah:

"like" for values of get exceedingly depressed at the state of electronics education.

[11:18:27]

Dibblah:

"nathan7: Would an AVR do PCIe? (as PCIe pheriphiral)"

[11:18:37]

justinh:

breadboard PCIe? ooo good luck

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justinh:

controlled impedance breadboards.. mmmmm :D

[11:19:35]

justinh:

Dibblah: seems a lot of people go there for help with their homework

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Dibblah:

Not as many as you think.

[11:20:25]

Dibblah:

... For some reason, they don't tend to come back...

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justinh:

lol

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justinh:

as in.. they don't get their homework _done_ for them ;)

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justinh:

there was a guy the other week wanting to know how to charge a li-ion battery & was asking how to implement a % charge indicator. he'd done the charging bit (woop!) but didn't have a clue how to measure the state of charge. funny, but I'd have thought getting the former sorted was the really hard bit. unless he just grabbed a schematic from a webpage...

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Dibblah:

SoC of liion is _very_ hard.

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justinh:

anyway, where's my $99 wall mounted mythtv extender box?

[11:23:49]

Dibblah:

They're sensitive little buggers.

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Dibblah:

Tend to blow up at the least provocation.

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Dibblah:

Hmm. Like women, really.

[11:24:48]

justinh:

Dibblah: I know, which is why I'd use a specialised chip to do it, using cell manufacturer's data & control it very carefully ;)

[11:25:25]

ruskie:

hmm I thought li-ion needed to always have a clue when charged since they need to switch to trickle charging after hitting a certain level iirc

[11:25:56]

Dibblah:

Yes. That added to the low charge behavior makes them... Tricky.

[11:26:33]

Dibblah:

ie at the bottom of the charge curve, they tend to blow up. At the top of the charge curve, they tend to blow up.

[11:26:37]

justinh:

try charging em if they're undervoltage..

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Dibblah:

Somewhere in the middle, they might blow up if you're unlucky.

[11:27:03]

Dibblah:

Oh, and don't draw too much current from them. Or they'll blow up.

[11:27:12]

justinh:

see the story on el reg yesterday about the unfortunate Chinese gent?

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Dibblah:

Heh.

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justinh:

imagine grey market fuel cells. christ on a bile

[11:27:50]

justinh:

*bike

[11:28:02]

** lyricnz tries to figure out vgcreate **

[11:28:12]

lyricnz:

lvcreate rather

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ruskie:

easy

[11:28:19]

ruskie:

easier

[11:28:21]

lyricnz:

brb, kid crying.

[11:28:26]

lyricnz:

really, 2 mins :)

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ruskie:

lvcreate -LXXG -n name VGNAME

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justinh:

oh dear. I just heard about our gig ethernet throughput :-\

[11:28:56]

ruskie:

crappy?

[11:29:00]

justinh:

worse

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justinh:

let down by the host bus bandwidth. Suffice to say it may aswell be USB1.1

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** ruskie has been seeing crappy gig ethernet performance lately on a lot **

[11:31:37]

justinh:

but hey.. "it came for free so we did it"

[11:31:37]

lyricnz:

ruskie: perhaps some advice? My mythtv backend has lots of small disks in it at the moment (4x160GB and 2x320GB). Ick

[11:31:48]

lyricnz:

So I buy 2x1000GB and put them in

[11:31:55]

justinh:

and?

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justinh:

save messing with lvm & just rsync

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lyricnz:

I figure I'll just make a couple of PV, a single VG, and a single LV, and then put mythtv on it.

[11:32:23]

justinh:

then throw the old drives away. sorted

[11:32:26]

lyricnz:

Then get rid of 4x160 (once I copy)

[11:32:33]

Dibblah:

gigE transcievers have advantages beyond the speed.

[11:32:57]

ruskie:

lyricnz, erm...

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Dibblah:

They're more tolerant of wiring faults – inverted pairs, etc.

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justinh:

Dibblah: but without the speed, compared to a regular 10/100 controller in normal circumstances.. :(

[11:33:18]

ruskie:

lyricnz, so on what part do you want the advice?

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Dibblah:

lyricnz: I would strongly advise not using LVM.

[11:33:50]

Dibblah:

Just use storage groups.

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justinh:

presumably adding the new disks to a volume.. which I wouldn't advice anybody do

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justinh:

just copy files to the new drives & junk the old ones

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lyricnz:

What are storage groups? I haven't messed with myth, it "just works" :)

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ruskie:

each disk should be it's own VG

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linuxmaniac:

hi! I have a problem with my new installation of mythtv. I can watch LiveTV but when I program a record. No file is created. Any hints?

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Dibblah:

lyricnz: Look it up on the wiki.

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justinh:

linuxmaniac: you have a problem of not looking in the backend log for clues ;)

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** lyricnz deals with machines at work that are split up into a million little partitions, and it's Really Fscking Annoyign! **

[11:35:37]

Dibblah:

linuxmaniac: Just a second while I connect to the Myth backdoor on your system.

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justinh:

hook up new HDD. set up a new partition & format it as %whateverfs

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** ruskie loves million little partitions **

[11:35:57]

Dibblah:

Just not ext3.

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linuxmaniac:

justinh, I'm looking on logs..

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lyricnz:

justinh / Dibblah : so forget all this LVM stuff? And jsut two big partitions?

[11:36:14]

Dibblah:

Yes.

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justinh:

forget LVM, yes

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lyricnz:

Hmm, okay.

[11:36:23]

ruskie:

Dibblah, lol... you seem to have issues with ext3 ;)

[11:36:32]

justinh:

LVM sucks

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justinh:

in so many different wys

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lyricnz:

So, which FS? XFS? ext2?

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ruskie:

do tell

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justinh:

xfs is alright

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ruskie:

ugh...

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justinh:

all the fs have their upsides & downsides. YOU decide

[11:37:15]

ruskie:

I'm not touching xfs with a 10 foot pole...

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justinh:

why?

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Dibblah:

ext3 issue: http://shaver.off.net/diary/2008/05/25/fsyncers-and-curveballs/

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lyricnz:

justinh: dude, if I knew enough to decide, I would :)

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linuxmaniac:

justinh, http://pastebin.com/m1f6cd3ca

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linuxmaniac:

backend seems to start recording

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linuxmaniac:

but no file is created

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ruskie:

justinh, losing an entire drive due to xfs... I'm not going anywhere near that again

[11:38:13]

Dibblah:

I was put off XFS when it needed 6Gb of RAM to fsck a 1.2Tb filesystem.

[11:38:21]

justinh:

ruskie: meh. you could've lost it on any other FS

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Dibblah:

... I was running on x86 at the time. So that was in fact not attainable.

[11:38:50]

ruskie:

justinh, the drive is still in operation since reformated to ext3

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justinh:

so you lost the fs. so what?

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Dibblah:

(No, adding swap doesn't help, since x86 is limited in address space)

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ruskie:

and all the data on it and so on...

[11:39:22]

ruskie:

I'm sticking to ext* from then on

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justinh:

Dibblah: had no issues fscking 750GB with only 512MB ram

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ruskie:

never had any massive outagase from it...

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Dibblah:

It's O^n

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ruskie:

jfs crashed in a week... reiserfs randomly caused issues

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justinh:

I ran into a massive iobound lockup when I deleted 300GB from an ext3 partition. that screwed lots up

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justinh:

to each their own!

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Dibblah:

justinh: xfs actually does nothing on fsck.

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justinh:

vive la difference!

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Dibblah:

It's xfs_repair and friends.

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justinh:

OH NO. not fscking David fscking bastard Sylvian. NO. NOT TODAY

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Dibblah:

... And yes, I know what I said was wrong :(

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justinh:

NOT TODAY

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lyricnz:

justinh: so *not* ext3?

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justinh:

who facking cares?

[11:41:13]

justinh:

just use $whatever. be happy

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Dibblah:

lyricnz: If you have lots of concurrent recordings, not ext3.

[11:41:32]

Dibblah:

Not with Myth as it currently stands.

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justinh:

no matter what fs you use, some twat will come along & say "muh muh muh oh noes! not that fs!"

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Dibblah:

Except for ext2.

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Dibblah:

Noone disses ext2.

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justinh:

fs/distro/case/cpu/memory/car/whatever

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linuxmaniac:

backend log shows no errors

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justinh:

linuxmaniac: you mean you spotted no errors. not the same thing

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justinh:

I swear I'm going to smash those facking speakers again

[11:44:06]

justinh:

I was in a great mood when I got to work. all it took was to hear 'music' from that ipod & I turned nasty

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Dibblah:

justinh: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-MDR-EX71SLB-Font . . . p/B00008XYJL

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justinh:

Dibblah: I need something to play on said headphones

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Dibblah:

NiN / SoM / ...

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justinh:

he HAS bloody headphones

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justinh:

I'm going home. sod this

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Dibblah:

Bugger the headphones – NiN Pretty Little Hate Machine at low-volume.

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Dibblah:

(Because then people are straining to hear the words and the looks on the faces when they realise are priceless)

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ruskie:

lol

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justinh:

I'm just about at the point where I WILL maliciously format that ipod

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Dibblah:

You don't need to do that.

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justinh:

all 80 stinking gigs of it

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Dibblah:

Do you have any dead hard drives?

[11:50:06]

justinh:

no

[11:50:18]

justinh:

I could make that one dead in about 5 minutes though

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Dibblah:

Oh. I was meaning that it's easier to brush past it with a magnet than fiddle in the UI.

[11:50:39]

justinh:

and log into his ftp at home & wipe that lot too

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Dibblah:

Have you tried talking to the guy?

[11:50:57]

justinh:

yes

[11:51:02]

justinh:

he laughs it off

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Dibblah:

Complain to your management, then.

[11:51:20]

justinh:

changes the album for one less offensive, and then after a few days it goes back to atonal shite

[11:51:50]

Dibblah:

Really, the earphones option is better.

[11:52:06]

justinh:

no, because we ALL have to 'enjoy' it

[11:52:12]

Dibblah:

It lets you concentrate more.

[11:52:12]

justinh:

we're being educated

[11:52:16]

Dibblah:

No, I mean for you.

[11:52:33]

justinh:

it means ME making a concession

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justinh:

one I shouldn't farking have to

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justinh:

ina _reasonable_ world

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Dibblah:

The world is not reasonable. Deal with it.

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justinh:

could be payback time tomorrow. Aqua – Aquarium on repeat play all day

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ruskie:

that sounds painfull just as it is written...

[11:55:18]

ruskie:

can't imagine it being sung...

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justinh:

I can take it or leave it. I have it on good authority it makes his ears bleed

[11:56:07]

ruskie:

why can't he turn it down

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justinh:

it's not the volume

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justinh:

you try listening to Japan, particularly their later stuff & remain indifferent enough to just leave it playing

[11:57:09]

justinh:

or Half Man Half Biscuit

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ruskie:

whovere or whatever those are...

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justinh:

go & dig some out from wherever. I dare you

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ruskie:

I Tend to avoid commercial music

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justinh:

not what I'd call 'commercial'

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justinh:

sod it then. I'll just be antisocial & buy my own mp3 player

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justinh:

listen to radio 4 shows all day :)

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** justinh wonders if people in here go round with their eyes shut for months on end. "Have you lost weight?" **

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jamiem:

HMHB++

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justinh:

jamiem: want my job? :)

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jamiem:

what job is that?

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justinh:

you get to listen to crap like that all day, what does it matter? :P

[12:36:37]

jamiem:

Do you hate Nerys Hughes?

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justinh:

I was never a fan

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justinh:

oh. ylee lurks here

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justinh:

I still stand by my original 'analog channels over firewire.. WTF' statement

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** justinh chuckles at 'on demand at core of Sky's plans' **

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Dibblah:

It is.

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Dibblah:

"We demand more money from you for less service"

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linuxmaniac:

a complete ddbb drop and reconfigure has solved the issue

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linuxmaniac:

thanks !

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gbee:

heh, Sky really must be getting desperate

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justinh:

gah. that wanker upstairs is going to have to order a machine from stock. the one I've been given is shot to f**k

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Dibblah:

Oh dear.

[13:12:48]

Dibblah:

I really shouldn't get wound up by these "me too" rodgering tosspots.

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Dibblah:

Interesting mail coming to the -dev list shortly :)

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ivor:

uh oh :)

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zeltak:

hi :)

[13:24:55]

zeltak:

hi all :) anybody care me to help a 2 month problem driving me mad :)?

[13:25:10]

justinh:

just ask questions

[13:25:11]

ivor:

IRC 101. just ask.

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zeltak:

thx ivor (new to irc :)

[13:25:53]

zeltak:

im having major problems connecting to my backend

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justinh:

and?

[13:26:13]

zeltak:

no matter what i try i cant connect from any computer

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justinh:

and your backend logs say?

[13:26:31]

zeltak:

i tried changing passwords, ip adresses the works but nothing

[13:26:37]

justinh:

and your backend logs say?

[13:26:57]

zeltak:

mm mim pretty new so bear with me..where can i look at the logs?

[13:27:02]

justinh:

is your backend configured to run on 127.0.0.1 or the LAN IP address of the machine?

[13:27:20]

zeltak:

its the lan ip of the machine (192.168.0.7

[13:27:25]

justinh:

is your mysql server configured to allow logins from the network?

[13:27:40]

Dibblah:

I am quite, quite sure that mail is going to ignite the flames.

[13:28:08]

zeltak:

yes but just in case how to i verify it ?

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justinh:

zeltak: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2

[13:28:39]

ivor:

heh I was just typing howto link. :)

[13:29:01]

Dibblah:

zeltak: If you're not following the installation instructions step by step, then you are going to come across issues.

[13:29:02]

zeltak:

ok reading it now. i did all those things a few weeks ago. i had my first son born a month ago do ive been away from the machine a bit :)

[13:29:05]

ivor:

basically zeltak you want to read through that document

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justinh:

zeltak: on a remote machine, try logging into the mysql server with mysql -u mythtv -p$thepassword -h $hostip

[13:29:34]

justinh:

if that doesn't work, no machine will be able to access your backend machine

[13:29:34]

Dibblah:

Unfortunately, Myth is a twisty maze of dependencies, all alike.

[13:29:38]

zeltak:

i remember i did all that a few weeks ago. ill try agian now and report in a few minutes, thx for all the help guys :)

[13:30:12]

justinh:

seeing 'thx' instead of 'thanks' boils my wee wee, but then there's not which isn't doing that today

[13:30:27]

ivor:

zeltak: np. not trying to just offload with RTFM but there's a lot more information and help in a document like that than you'll get on IRC.

[13:30:31]

zeltak:

gotcha..will use the correct terminlogy from now on ;-)

[13:30:33]

ivor:

justinh: you're just a grump.

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[Peter]:

justinh: I guess your wee wee is overcooked by now?

[13:32:50]

ivor:

probably gets all wound up if you say "l8r" and "m8" too. :)

[13:32:58]

justinh:

I need to change my job ASAP

[13:33:00]

laga:

l8r, m8.

[13:33:40]

justinh:

maybe my problem is that I care that I can't do my job because the products I'm working with are a pile of steaming crap

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sid3windr:

wtf m8. :/

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ivor:

justinh: oh dear.... on the other hand.. it's quite nice to have a job these days.! :(

[13:35:00]

ivor:

er m8.

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justinh:

configure this machine. yeah sure. what softwrae? where's the software? hmm. follow script to install software. no worky. jump through hoops, it sort of works. oh, wrong software. here's some new software which isn't available to anybody yet. put that on. oops. completely broken now

[13:35:59]

justinh:

oh wait.. no. ftp is working. oh wait, no it's not. hmmm. completely flatten the machine's flash with JTAG and repeat ad infinitum

[13:36:32]

justinh:

and they say that DVR manufacturers using PC hardware are on a hiding to nothing. ahahahaha

[13:37:50]

justinh:

ivor: if working in a supermarket would pay the bills, I really would

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ivor:

justinh: hmmm, but it doesn't. :)

[13:43:17]

ivor:

justinh: anyway I'm just happy i'm finally getting a bit of OSS hacking done again.

[13:45:21]

justinh:

me too. I fell off the wagon & stayed off for too long

[13:49:41]

justinh:

ooo and another unit. can't see it's MMC card slot. no new boards available so they'll have to stick it up their jumper

[13:53:09]

justinh:

apparently SH4 CPU date codes predating 0744 won't work with our MMC cards

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gbee:

ivor: not still working on KHTML?

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gbee:

mythtv.org exposes a Konq bug :)

[14:07:00]

ivor:

not done for a while. lately been writing driver support for the STK1160 capture chip.

[14:07:25]

ivor:

gbee: tsk. someone should fix that then. :D is there a kdebug filed?

[14:07:51]

gbee:

thought I filed a bug or found an existing, but I can't remember now

[14:08:33]

ivor:

gbee: drop me a line if you find it, if I have a bit of spare time I'll certainly take a look.

[14:08:38]

gbee:

ah, looks like it's been fixed in the latest version

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ivor:

ha. cool. :D

[14:09:23]

gbee:

was still there last month, but updated packages became available since then

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gbee:

so that's nice :)

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justinh:

heh. just spoke to a guy who left here 2 years ago. he's coming back, says he'd rather deal with issues on the inside than have to support them externally

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gbee:

was an image alpha rendering bug, where it seemed to composite the foreground image with alpha with the background (I assume for speed reasons) but when the background changed it wasn't re-composited so the areas of alpha in the image showed the old background

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krisrose:

Have anyone else had firewire to SA 4200HD boxes stop working since the latest Ubuntu libc6 upgrade?

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zeltak:

justinh: still there?

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Dibblah:

zeltak: Just ask your question.

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zeltak:

ok ive setup prevliges on mysql on the backend machine..

[14:27:31]

zeltak:

but i cant connect remotly from another machine yet

[14:27:49]

zeltak:

im using mysql -u mythtv -p$thepassword -h $hostip

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zeltak:

but get an error messgae

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Dibblah:

Which installation guide are you following?

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justinh:

I assumed you know what $thepassword is

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zeltak:

i installed through mythbuntu 8.10

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zeltak:

yeah i even changed the mysql user to have no password but it still dosent work

[14:28:52]

zeltak:

i can login perfectly on the backend machine

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zeltak:

but cant remotly

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justinh:

did you read the page I posted a link to?

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zeltak:

yup

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justinh:

I mean _really_ ?

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zeltak:

yeah i did honest :) but keep in mind im using mythbuntu which already sets up mysql for you

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zeltak:

so i had to use webmin to login and fix the "mythtv" user

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zeltak:

(you do mean this link right http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2)

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justinh:

NO. did you READ and UNDERSTAND the part about changing mysql to allow access from other machines?

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justinh:

because if you had, and had changed the configuration properly, it would work :)

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zeltak:

yeah already done. i isseud grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"%" identified by "mythtv"; as a mythtv user in the mysql prompt

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justinh:

although since you mention mythbuntu, I'd have guessed they'd have a _documented_ method to do it their way

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zeltak:

please bear in mind that im not that savy in linux yet..im prety new

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Dibblah:

As mentioned, you probably need to do a flush priv... however it's spelt.

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zeltak:

so flush all priv and then grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"%" identified by "mythtv"; ?

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justinh:

no

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justinh:

flush priveleges AFTER the grant

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justinh:

like it says in the docs

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zeltak:

yeah i did that . it worked well.

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zeltak:

i issued the commands EXACTLY AS INSTUCTED in the page

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justinh:

next thing to check then would be that mysql is bound to the LAN ip rather than 127.0.0.1

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Dibblah:

flush is after the grant...

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zeltak:

yeah i di dthat thx Dibblah

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justinh:

edit /etc/mysql/my.cnf and make sure skip-networking is commented out

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zeltak:

k on it :)

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justinh:

and I'll say again, I THOUGHT mythbuntu had a thing to sort stuff like this out..

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tank-man:

heh, just followed half the instructions on that page?

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Dibblah:

and bind address is not present or 0.0.0.0

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Dibblah:

tank-man: That never happens. Never.

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Dibblah:

Instructions are followed word-for-word and in order. No step is ever missed out.

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justinh:

out missed step is ever no?

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zeltak:

skip is commented out

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justinh:

was mysql restarted after that?

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Dibblah:

bind address?

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tank-man:

now restart mysql

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justinh:

god it's like pulling teeth

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tank-man:

there is a #mytbuntu channel zeltak if you are interested

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zeltak:

ok ill try that

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zeltak:

thx for the help

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jarle:

It seems like the "visible" setting is reset to the value 1 for all channels when I rescan for channels, is this observation correct?

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justinh:

yes

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Dibblah:

Trac makes me sad :(

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jarle:

justinh: so using the visible setting to hide channels I can not show is not such a great idea after all... I want a "lasting" way of removing channels I can not tune to....

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justinh:

ruh?

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justinh:

how often are you going to be scanning?

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jarle:

maybe a couple of times each year

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justinh:

so?

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justinh:

go moan to somebody else

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Dibblah:

jarle: There is no way to do what you want (as far as I know) from within Myth.

[15:06:10]

justinh:

you could always make a script to update the 'visible' setting for you after a rescan

[15:06:29]

Dibblah:

It's not technically impossible for Myth to copy the visible column across to the new channel entries.

[15:06:55]

Dibblah:

jarle: However, you'd probably find it easier for the moment to dump a script.

[15:08:15]

jarle:

Dibblah: guess its time for some scripting then...

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Dibblah:

mysql mythconverg --batch -e "select visible,name from channel;" |sed -e "s/^/update channel set visible=/;s/\t/ where name like \"/;s/$/\";/"

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Dibblah:

Something like that.

[15:11:06]

Dibblah:

(Won't cope with "s in the channel name, etc – If it breaks, fix it yourself, all disclaimers apply, all wrongs righted, etc)

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jarle:

Dibblah: thnx for pointing me in the right direction.

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ivor:

Dibblah: re trac: you could install the deletetickets patch and then ruthlessley remove all discussion from tickets.

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Dibblah:

ivor: It is already possible – Someone has installed something, or the functionality is already included.

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** gbee dons a flak jacket and starts to dig a trench **

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Dibblah:

I'm buggered if I'm mucking out Trac.

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justinh:

wahey! the unit works at last. so, quicklypower it off & put it to one side. Last seen working :D

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thebishop:

i'm looking at a motherboard with Realtek 883 audio (w/ optical out). Will that support surround sound for Myth?

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justinh:

does it work with alsa?

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thebishop:

justinh, i'm looking, haven't found anythign yet

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justinh:

if not, then no it won't be any good for mythtv

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justinh:

oo. brownie points for all my trouble. apparently if *I* run into problems, there really are things wrong. nice to know

[16:18:59]

iamlindoro_:

justinh: Have you caused .22 to be a day/week/month later again? ;)

[16:19:30]

justinh:

nah that was work related

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iamlindoro_:

ahhh

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justinh:

found out our subnet has mostly been screwed up beyond recognition today too. DHCP server handing out multiples among other snafus

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justinh:

I think I'm gonna go ahead with my plan to mirror the work wiki in the lab and have our own network

[16:21:34]

justinh:

something we should've done ages ago

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justinh:

anybody else seen an MS DHCP server hand out identical addresses to different IDs? ;)

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iamlindoro_:

gbee: I will virtually guarantee that he will never remove the deinterlacers from his backport

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justinh:

mmm back ports

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** justinh looks forward to going home & relaxing into a nice bit of hackery **

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: Sounds like you're starting to get pretty close on the patch, huh?

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justinh:

haven't touched it at all today. been busily pulling my greying hairs out making two of our 'products' 'work'

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justinh:

when I get back I'll be turning the button position loop into something that uses the number of rows/columns instead, but haven't quite figured out how to get around running out of items

[16:34:41]

justinh:

unless I've just missed something in the existing loop, but I've tried everything I can think of

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justinh:

anybody wanna have a look?

[16:36:13]

justinh:

need to replace x = m_contentsRect.x() +

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justinh:

oops x = m_contentsRect.x() + ((col – 1) * (m_itemWidth + m_itemHorizSpacing)); with x = lastx + m_itemWidth + m_itemHorizSpacing; lastx = x; – but that just messes up the x location for all items in a column

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justinh:

where lastx is initialised as m_contentsRect.x() before the loop

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justinh:

I think I can work around it by iterating the rows & columns in a nested loop until all items have been used instead

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justinh:

anyway, it's kids stuff. shouldn't take long. hahahahaha

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justinh:

hrm. wonder if I've made a boob & omitted another part of the original loop

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justinh:

using a trackpad is never ideal when doing real work

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laga:

works for me

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justinh:

nah I didn't miss anything out. I'll have to re-imagine it

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: I assume you're the guy after a different width of a selected item in horizontal lists :P

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: HAven't really expressed a desire one way or another, but I'm sure I'd find some fun places to use it :)

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justinh:

I have a use for it already

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iamlindoro_:

Saw your screenshot, looks neat

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justinh:

the idea looks neat yes. the screenshot looked like ick

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iamlindoro_:

I am listening to a coworker totally (loudly, publicly) inappropriately go off about our boss-- he is too stupid to realize this will get him fired

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justinh:

heh

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justinh:

me bitching about product in a logged irc channel probably won't do me many favours either but I'm past caring

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iamlindoro_:

brilliant scientist, foolish politician

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laga:

iamlindoro_: tell him to be quiet for his own sake

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justinh:

laga: freedom hater

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iamlindoro_:

Yeah, I'll probably whisper something to him shortly

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justinh:

now, let other tech find the speakers tomorrow. heh

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gbee:

justinh: don't remember the nick of the guy, but he showed some screenshots of his concept a month or six weeks back, iirc in German

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laga:

anykey?

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gbee:

didn't think it was anykey_, but it could have been

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iamlindoro_:

yeah, it was anykey

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gbee:

anykey_'s later screenshots looked different from those earlier ones, slightly different concept for the main menu, so I can't be sure

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iamlindoro_:

ah, nm

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justinh:

only other concept screenies I've seen were anykey's

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gbee:

could be anykey_'s, all I remember was a quite formal 5 button horizontal menu that if I'd ever seen the Aero main menu I'd imagine to look similar, the centre text was set apart from the other items by a large amount of whitespace on either side

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justinh:

yeah that was his

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JEDIDIAH__:

you mean snarling at your boss is a bad thing? '-)

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justinh:

ah I think my calcvisibleitems is broken

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justinh:

muhahaha

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justinh:

that'd explain a lot

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justinh:

like why calbuttonpositions isn't doing what the old one did

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gbee:

justinh: right, well his later screenshots had buttons of varying widths such that everything was crammed closer together – hence his auto-resizing text area patch

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justinh:

gbee: well, this hack will still come in handy for him

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justinh:

infact for anybody who uses horizontal lists :)

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kale:

any of you guys using lirc?

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justinh:

eureka. I can see how that loop works now. I think I just forgot,what with the mental torture I've endured today & all

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justinh:

gbee: that's a very neat way to do it :) efficient I mean. like a nested loop but not

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justinh:

right. need to save my wits for the drive home

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iamlindoro_:

kale: You should probably just ask a specific question, asking for volunteers generally doesn't work well in here

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Shadow__X:

hey clever you here

[17:20:25]

clever:

yep

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Shadow__X:

can i pm you a question

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clever:

shure

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** Dibblah wonders if he's been thrown off the dev mailing list :) **

[18:03:37]

GreyFoxx:

It's been quiet for a couple hours :)

[18:03:51]

Dibblah:

No responses to the inflammatory mail and it's been 5 hours...

[18:03:54]

Dibblah:

:)

[18:04:03]

laga:

what mail?

[18:04:16]

Dibblah:

"Don't put crap on Trac"

[18:04:39]

laga:

ah

[18:04:44]

Dibblah:

Otherwise known as Mythtv Bug 4989

[18:05:07]

Dibblah:

And who starts an email to a ML with "Dear sir"?

[18:05:36]

laga:

Dibblah: someone who'd like to fork mythcommflag

[18:06:07]

Dibblah:

I wouldn't mind looking at mythcommflag, when I have Copious Free Time.

[18:06:11]

Dibblah:

Which is not now :(

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laga:

i was referring to those guys from india (?)

[18:07:05]

Dibblah:

Oh. I wonder how long it'll be until they hire another developer...

[18:09:09]

Dibblah:

On the plus side, I am quite happy now with my test box.

[18:09:37]

Dibblah:

And when it's free, I'll be doing some benchmarking to see if we can realistically remove that damn fsync.

[18:09:40]

Dibblah:

Finally :)

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laga:

yay

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iamlindoro_:

If mortalmatt were here instead of writing out an argument why he should be in #mythtv instead, I'd tell him he had a broken grabber

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justinh:

I didn't think the guidegrid was broken but hey ho

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: then I also have a broken grabber

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Dibblah:

Well, it's not done yet...

[18:42:53]

justinh:

callsign == name

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Dibblah:

justinh: Interestingly, no.

[18:43:10]

justinh:

on channels which I don't even grab the data for

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Dibblah:

I am not sure how.

[18:43:30]

justinh:

Dibblah: it's the case here with uk_rt and with channels I get data over eit with

[18:43:50]

justinh:

no, I mean in my channel table, callsign == name

[18:43:58]

iamlindoro_:

justinh: From the US perspective that's not so, but obviously regional differences occur

[18:44:08]

justinh:

and I don't remember ever changing them

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justinh:

I have to rescan soon. oh joy

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justinh:

I hate having to rescan because of freeview channel jiggery

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Dibblah:

justinh: As a matter of interest, can you run mysql -e "select callsign,name from mythconverg.channel where callsign<>name;"

[18:45:20]

Dibblah:

Assuming you're on Freeview.

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justinh:

sure

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Dibblah:

UKTST UKTV Style

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Dibblah:

For example.

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justinh:

Empty set (0.02 sec)

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: For us multiple callsigns might be the same channel name (since the callsign is assigned to the channel by the government, so KSTS and KRON might both be "NBC Television Network"

[18:45:57]

Dibblah:

But I have _NO_ idea where those came from.

[18:46:12]

Dibblah:

I certainly didn't set them.

[18:46:21]

Dibblah:

Only appears to be one mplex.

[18:46:33]

justinh:

maybe I fettled them myself but I don't remember doing it

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justinh:

I do so much, I can never remember these days :P

[18:47:40]

justinh:

time to go see if rescanning is actually gonna be worth it

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: So freesat has regional BBC channels, right?

[18:47:47]

Dibblah:

Yes.

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: How do they handle the Callsign/channel name thing there? Must have *something* unique

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iamlindoro_:

dibblah also :)

[18:48:05]

justinh:

nope

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justinh:

BBC1

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justinh:

== BBC1 == BBC1

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justinh:

not in terms of the xmltv grabber though, where they have bbc1.north-west.bbc.co.uk for example

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iamlindoro_:

Hmm. Seems counterintuitive, I would imagine some people would want to have all the regionals available and want to tell them apart

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Dibblah:

justinh: Yes, it does.

[18:48:45]

Dibblah:

http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/news.phtml/ . . . annels.phtml

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justinh:

Dibblah: are they all named differently though?

[18:49:52]

justinh:

that's the point ;)

[18:50:42]

Dibblah:

BBC 1 London:10773:h:0:22000:5000:5001:6301

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Dibblah:

BBC 2 England:10773:h:0:22000:5100:5101:6302

[18:50:47]

Dibblah:

So... Yes.

[18:51:05]

Dibblah:

BBC 1 Yrks&Lin

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justinh:

gawd, how I long to get rid of glass-wide on my frontend. I might zap it & put mepo-wide on

[18:51:08]

Dibblah:

Etc.

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justinh:

after rejiggling the horrible colours

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Dibblah:

Not concept?

[18:51:18]

Dibblah:

;)

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justinh:

nope

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iamlindoro_:

Putting my own theme into use has been a big help to make me theme more screens :)

[18:53:12]

justinh:

concept isn't ready for human consumption yet, nor will it be for quite some time

[18:53:14]

iamlindoro_:

Although I still can't make myself do all the upcoming/etc. recording screens as I never ever touch them in real life

[18:53:47]

Dibblah:

Time for a reboot to see if another IO scheduler works better.

[18:53:58]

Dibblah:

Then I need to go and clean out the carb on my bike.

[18:54:43]

Dibblah:

WTF? It's #mythtv-users, it's not hell.

[18:55:04]

laga:

carb?

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Dibblah:

mortalmatt: Drama Queen!

[18:55:45]

Dibblah:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carburetor

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laga:

ah

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jarle:

A snippet of my backend log during a failed recording: http://pastebin.ca/1328235 What does the number "3" in the parentheses refer to in this log? DevRdB(3), DVBSH(3) and DVBRec(4:3)

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anykey_:

gbee: you highlighted me, something of a hack?

[18:59:01]

justinh:

anykey_: coming soon, from my den

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anykey_:

justinh: autosizing? :)

[18:59:13]

justinh:

dunno if it's what you need though, if memory serves

[18:59:14]

justinh:

ah

[18:59:32]

justinh:

no, it's not that – but it won't be a huge leap

[18:59:55]

anykey_:

I've done the patch for the XML parsing thingy, however I failed greatly at adding it to the buttonlist ;)

[19:00:15]

justinh:

well, I've got as far as enabling the selected button to be a different height

[19:00:26]

justinh:

working on the width bit tonight

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anykey_:

that would be something

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justinh:

so rather than get the width of the selected button area, you could work on the textual width instead :)

[19:03:10]

justinh:

though that'd mean we'd need to calculate the number of visible items every update – no biggy but might make some items pop off the end

[19:03:16]

justinh:

*an item, not some

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iamlindoro_:

jarle: DVBRec(4:3) 4 = Capture card #, 3 = Video Device, the other 3s are all video device

[19:03:52]

anykey_:

justinh: that was the point I failed on ;)

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anykey_:

justinh: I posted the work I've done to a trac ticket, don't remember the number though

[19:04:24]

justinh:

though if using variable width items, you could set a variable to ignore that & the clipping part of the UI should take care of the rest

[19:04:43]

justinh:

have to be careful about overflowing though ;)

[19:04:51]

jarle:

iamlindoro: thnx, for helping me understand..

[19:05:35]

justinh:

I'll have a dig after I've eaten

[19:10:27]

justinh:

anykey_: oo nice. I'll see what I can do with that

[19:11:59]

anykey_:

justinh: would be cool if that autosizing thing actually works like I expect it to... probably motivate me for doing a little more work on the theme :)

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justinh:

I think I know how you expect it to work

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justinh:

would you want to rescale the button or would you just use a gradient?

[19:14:15]

anykey_:

which one?

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justinh:

any of them

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justinh:

the way I'd planned it up to now was that it'd only allow you to have the selected button a different size, and then only in a centre scrolling buttonlist

[19:16:17]

dougl:

does my spdif out on my mythtv computer get plugged into my surround sound amplifier – I never connected it b4... is that correct?

[19:16:39]

anykey_:

Actually, I want to save space by sizing the button according to its text (if you look at http://dmesg.ch/mythtv/files/concept/recordings1.png, the buttonlist at the top), that saves huge amounts of space

[19:17:18]

wagnerrp:

dougl: it gets connected to whatever device outputs audio

[19:17:28]

justinh:

you can't really get away with rescaling that kind of graphic, anykey_

[19:17:45]

justinh:

doh you said the list at the top

[19:17:46]

justinh:

heh

[19:17:59]

anykey_:

hum?

[19:18:19]

justinh:

don't worry. I'll have a play with it

[19:18:58]

justinh:

I could use some of that mojo too

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dougl:

wagnerrp, ok just did not want to cook anything... do you know what the input on the back of the reciever would be labled/called?

[19:19:56]

justinh:

you could easily have a dividing line on there aswell

[19:20:09]

justinh:

dougl: SPDIF IN

[19:20:15]

justinh:

or Coax In

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justinh:

RTFM on your receiver

[19:20:28]

dougl:

I see 2 rca connection in ...

[19:20:30]

wagnerrp:

possibly toslink

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justinh:

toslink is optical

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wagnerrp:

and spdif

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dougl:

justinh, lol – right = I bought it used and cannot find the model number to google it

[19:21:12]

justinh:

yeah right

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wagnerrp:

integrated audio usually comes with both coax and optical spdif anymore

[19:21:30]

justinh:

coax = spdif

[19:21:35]

justinh:

optical = toslink

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wagnerrp:

i thought it was all a 'spdif' signal

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dougl:

cool = thanks alot guys, gonna give it a try now

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danielk22:

heh, I opened the window for matt half an hour ago, but he never appeared.

[19:39:19]

sphery:

So, regarding the instructions for a configuration to give the behavior desired for #4989, I had said: "The interesting thing will be to see whether he actually reads the whole post (including all the easter eggs at bottom)"... Seems the answer is he didn't read /any/ of the post.

[19:39:46]

iamlindoro_:

That's what you get for encoding your answers polysyllabically

[19:39:53]

iamlindoro_:

Who can decode THAT stuff?

[19:40:02]

sphery:

Gues not... There is a reply.

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** justinh drinks to the abyss **

[19:42:25]

justinh:

anykey_: so where was it you ran into a snag with your patch again?

[19:42:43]

justinh:

making the buttonlist width variable in each case?

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[19:43:30]

justinh:

I'm not sure the plan I have will work, we'll have to see

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justinh:

lemme just make mine do two different widths for now :)

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Word still too big, no read good, question more?

[19:45:24]

anykey_:

justinh: I ran into problems when patching the buttonlist so that it updates the buttons correctly

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justinh:

anykey_: how so?

[19:46:32]

justinh:

just wondering what your approach was exactly, just to guage if I'd run into the same problem

[19:46:38]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: "it's a nice temporal workaround for some people, but you must understand that this is not a usable, permanent, fix", translation, "I'd rather have Myth not work the way I want than use the approach you suggested."

[19:46:44]

justinh:

no point two people inventing a non-working wheel ;)

[19:46:45]

anykey_:

justinh: don't remember exactly, but I think somewhere between calculating the number of items that are shown and redrawing the whole thing

[19:46:56]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: Sounds more like not understanding what he was reading

[19:47:03]

sphery:

that could be, too

[19:47:58]

justinh:

anykey_: I think the redrawing is all taken care of in the setpositionarrow loop, so if the position calculation is done in there.. shouldn't be any issue

[19:48:30]

justinh:

not sure how it'll work in practise if the buttons aren't moving by the same amount each time

[19:48:32]

anykey_:

justinh: seems like you're some steps ahead of me ;)

[19:48:43]

justinh:

but it's worth a shot

[19:48:58]

justinh:

anykey_: made my own button position calculator

[19:49:25]

justinh:

also hacked the calculatevisibleitems function, but I'm not sure I have it working right yet

[19:49:40]

justinh:

got to put a bunch of VERBOSE in to back up my maths ;)

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: So, regarding "25% fewer frames for (sic) analog channels via firewire..."

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justinh:

so nice of those STB manufacturers to put A/D & mpeg encoders in their boxes

[19:51:55]

justinh:

wasn't it? ;)

[19:52:23]

justinh:

also real nice of the broadcasters wanting to save you some disk space ;)

[19:52:47]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: Now the conversation has turned to "Should I swap my 6200 out for a 3200" Which *really* confuses me because those two boxes are parallel products and nearly identical-- the key difference is, get ready for this, the 6200 is deployed on mixed analog-digital channel systems (has an analog tuner) and the 3200 is used in systems where all the channels can be digitally tuned

[19:53:07]

iamlindoro_:

ie the same headend shouldn't *be* handing out 6200s and 3200s

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iamlindoro_:

so If I had to guess, at some point they re-architected and created digital versions of all the analog channels, and started handing out 3200s instead, and YL never knew that/got left behind and his box isn't quite as compatible with the local headend as it once way

[19:54:03]

iamlindoro_:

was

[19:54:03]

justinh:

so it DOES output analogue channels over firewire?!

[19:54:10]

iamlindoro_:

justinh: No

[19:54:15]

justinh:

heh

[19:54:45]

iamlindoro_:

justinh: There's no mpeg encoder to my knowledge, he's likely getting the digital versions of those channels and doesn't realize it

[19:55:01]

iamlindoro_:

Ooh

[19:55:04]

iamlindoro_:

I stand corrected

[19:55:04]

iamlindoro_:

http://www.motorola.com/business/US-EN/DCH620 . . . 8406b00aRCRD

[19:55:16]

iamlindoro_:

It does indeed have an encoder

[19:55:39]

iamlindoro_:

but anyway, that's the difference between the two boxes, and likely the reason the "other guy on the same cable system" with the 3200 is fine

[19:55:58]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: well, a lot can change in 12 years... ;)

[19:56:04]

iamlindoro_:

as he's tuning digital versions of all the channels, and YL is tuning the analog and getting some horked analog encoded version

[19:56:37]

iamlindoro_:

But In reality, the same headend/node shouldn't have both 6200s and 3200s on it

[19:56:48]

sphery:

since he's still using the same firewire box he used in 1997, ...

[19:56:50]

justinh:

wow. I'm actually taken aback

[19:57:04]

justinh:

they really bothered to do that

[19:57:34]

sphery:

when the cable co's didn't transmit locals in digital, having an MPEG encoder was likely the cheapest way for them to do DVR's...

[19:58:02]

sphery:

What does surprise me is that they actually allowed/enabled its output over firewire, though.

[19:59:06]

iamlindoro_:

With proper firmware it probably mostly works, but it wouldn't surprise me if QA on the "analog channels re-encoded and then captured via firewire" was a little lacking

[19:59:36]

iamlindoro_:

I'll predict right now that the 3200's will make it "miraculously" work

[19:59:43]

iamlindoro_:

(as he'll be tuning entirely different channels)

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iamlindoro_:

Wonder if I should respond...

[20:00:11]

sphery:

I'd enjoy that...

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[20:01:23]

sphery:

I just can't believe, though, that some dev called him an "1D10T"... Oh, wait, it seems the dev /was/ right...

[20:01:41]

BassKozz:

NE1 in here using a HDHomeRun?

[20:01:47]

wagnerrp:

yes

[20:01:49]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

sphery: PEBKAC

[20:02:02]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

BassKozz: Yes... I have one, for OTA HD – ATSC

[20:02:02]

LanUser:

BassKozz: yup, two in fact

[20:02:44]

BassKozz:

either of you using MultiRec w/ your HDHR?

[20:02:57]

BassKozz:

curious to know if the patch for .21 works

[20:03:02]

LanUser:

BassKozz: nope

[20:03:27]

BassKozz:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6138

[20:04:12]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

BassKozz: Nope, haven't tried multirec yet...

[20:04:18]

** J-e-f-f-A|work heads off to a meeting... **

[20:04:24]

LanUser:

BassKozz: MultiRec allows you to record "The Office" on 4.1 and the traffic report on 4.2 at the same time right?

[20:04:32]

BassKozz:

Does OTA have multirec ?

[20:04:39]

iamlindoro_:

Or Lost and the ABC weather channel

[20:04:48]

iamlindoro_:

or Prison Break and the Fox Traffic report

[20:05:13]

BassKozz:

yes I think so, or even better if you record 5min before/after a recording and then do a consecutive recording on the same channel it won't conflict

[20:05:15]

iamlindoro_:

ATSC can have subchannels, but they are generally low-value channels like traffic/news/weather

[20:05:23]

sphery:

Or Nova and Nova (en Espanol) from 24.1 and 24.2

[20:05:38]

BassKozz:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Record_multiple_ch . . . ne_multiplex

[20:05:40]

sphery:

But when it comes to Nova (en Espanol)--don't go there

[20:05:46]

iamlindoro_:

Multirec in the US is of higher value on cable where you might have at least two high-value channels on a 38 Mbit mux

[20:06:16]

sphery:

but the /best/ solution in the US a MOARTUNERZ

[20:06:21]

sphery:

s/a/is/

[20:07:18]

BassKozz:

Yes obviously more tunerz is best, but MultiRec is an easy solution for: User has MythTV set up to always start recording five minutes before and after the scheduled time. User schedules recording of two back-to-back programmes on the same channel, or on different channels carried on the same transport. Only one tuner should be used to record both, despite the overlap.

[20:07:35]

BassKozz:

-scraped from wiki

[20:08:08]

wagnerrp:

BassKozz: the patch ONLY works for 0.21

[20:08:15]

wagnerrp:

it does not work with trunk

[20:08:16]

BassKozz:

I might have to test out the patch with .21-fixes, and see if I can get it to work w/ my HDHR... it seems like a great solution

[20:08:29]

BassKozz:

yeah, I am in the process of reverting back to .21-fixes from trunk

[20:08:47]

BassKozz:

I haven't had much time recently to complete it thou.

[20:08:56]

BassKozz:

maybe this weekend I can give it a go.

[20:09:09]

sphery:

BassKozz: even with multirec, you can get conflicts when you overlap programs when you have more than the trivial 2 programs involved

[20:09:27]

sphery:

i.e. http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-12.html#ss12.6

[20:10:41]

wagnerrp:

seems ill have to consider getting a HDPVR, or at lest another mceusb2 for my backend

[20:10:44]

BassKozz:

sphery: I am confused and lazy (reading), why when you are recording two shows on the same channel using MultiRec, w/ a 5min overlap, wouldn't it work?

[20:10:48]

wagnerrp:

parents were talking about getting digital cable

[20:11:22]

wagnerrp:

BassKozz: that should work fine, the issue is more when you have multiple shows on multiple multiplexes

[20:11:28]

wagnerrp:

and scheduling multiple tuners around them

[20:11:33]

BassKozz:

ahh ok

[20:11:48]

BassKozz:

priorities get confused?

[20:11:52]

wagnerrp:

when you add in multirec, its just an added complexity that the scheduler hasnt really been set up for

[20:11:59]

BassKozz:

gotcha

[20:13:02]

BassKozz:

so for example: want to record 4 shows, all 4 shows are on only 2 channels, back to back with a 5min overlap, schedualer won't beable to figure out that it can sucessfully record all 4 using multirec?

[20:13:21]

BassKozz:

if I have 2 tuners

[20:13:42]

wagnerrp:

more if you have a 5th show at a higher priority on a third multiplex, what does it decide

[20:13:50]

wagnerrp:

to record the two on one channel, or one on the other

[20:13:54]

BassKozz:

ahh ok

[20:14:20]

wagnerrp:

so... you add more tuners... additional hdhrs...

[20:15:30]

wagnerrp:

ugh... the freebsd mailing lists keep getting spammed by some assclown with essays on the 'big evil government' and 'big evil jews'

[20:15:36]

BassKozz:

Maybe once I get everything up and running, I might fork over the $$$ for 1 more HDHR... 4 tuners should be more then enough for my household.

[20:16:29]

wagnerrp:

if youve got the card room, my 1250 is a nice little tuner

[20:17:02]

wagnerrp:

does the backend need to be restarted after a channel scan?

[20:17:20]

BassKozz:

mythfilldatabase?

[20:17:27]

wagnerrp:

assuming the tuners are not locked and i can actually preform a scan

[20:18:53]

sid3windr:

ehh

[20:18:59]

sid3windr:

I scheduled a show and myth is now recording it on 2 tuners

[20:19:06]

sid3windr:

it stole my wife's livetv one ;/

[20:19:11]

sid3windr:

and I can't cancel the recording?

[20:19:33]

wagnerrp:

are you using two separate listings sources?

[20:19:39]

sid3windr:

no

[20:19:58]

sid3windr:

both channels have the same xmltv id

[20:20:00]

iamlindoro_:

sid3windr: Try deleting the offending recording from mythweb

[20:20:02]

wagnerrp:

maybe its listed as a generic episode, so its recording both

[20:20:02]

sid3windr:

is that a wrong thing to do?

[20:20:06]

sid3windr:

I'm trying, from mythweb

[20:20:18]

sid3windr:

I already changed that to don't record

[20:20:22]

sid3windr:

but that's only scheduler info

[20:20:26]

sid3windr:

there's no stop button :/

[20:20:33]

wagnerrp:

by two listings sources, i mean one uses SD, and the other uses EIT

[20:20:45]

sid3windr:

they're both xmltv-powered

[20:20:56]

iamlindoro_:

sid3windr: No, I'm saying *delete* the offending recording from reocrded programs in mythweb

[20:21:29]

sphery:

BassKozz: because placement of shows on capture cards depends on priority, so it's possible that the back-to-back shows won't be recorded on the same capture card (though often they will be, even with priority involved).

[20:21:31]

sid3windr:

aah

[20:21:32]

sid3windr:

now I see

[20:21:41]

sid3windr:

I was wondering where the delete button was :) I was looking on the wrong page :)

[20:21:50]

iamlindoro_:

once you delete the "in progress" one, it should free up the tuner

[20:22:10]

sphery:

BassKozz: But basically, it's a hugely complex algorithm that's explained by reading all of 12.6. However understanding it requires /lots/ of experiential data. :)

[20:22:17]

sid3windr:

looks like that'll work indeed iamlindoro_

[20:22:28]

sid3windr:

I think I know what happened heh

[20:22:42]

sid3windr:

I guess it was already scheduled as record weekly and I manually had it record this one too

[20:23:05]

sid3windr:

although I should have seen the green bar in the listing, roll eyes :)

[20:23:11]

sid3windr:

thanks for the pointer :)

[20:23:14]

iamlindoro_:

np

[20:23:55]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: better solution for HD-5500 guy... Don't use the analog capture portion of the HD-5500--get a PVR-150/500 (or whatever) instead.

[20:24:05]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: YES

[20:24:21]

sphery:

that was a ;)... Ref to your bon fire...

[20:24:29]

sphery:

not a trolling/correction

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iamlindoro_:

I know ;)

[20:24:57]

iamlindoro_:

I hate when my fingers go retarded and I find out hours later

[20:25:02]

iamlindoro_:

"But both cards"

[20:25:16]

iamlindoro_:

It's put, iamlindoro

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iamlindoro_:

!trout iamlindoro third-grade-grammar-teacher-Mrs.-Baker

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** MythLogBot slaps iamlindoro with a third-grade-grammar-teacher-Mrs.-Baker trout on behalf of iamlindoro_... **

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: nice response on the analog firewire thread... Makes me wonder, though, if he just needs to reconfigure his 6200 box/SD lineup/MythTV channels to tell it to use the digital versions of the channels...

[20:27:09]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: He very likely has no control over that

[20:27:10]

sphery:

He's probably using the same lineup he created in 1997

[20:27:30]

sphery:

in theory, the 6200 could tune the digital versions, right?

[20:27:34]

iamlindoro_:

as the frequencies and channums used by the STB are set by policies downloaded from the headend

[20:27:52]

iamlindoro_:

it could, were it sent that "policy" by the headend

[20:28:33]

sphery:

so, the STB likely calls it channel 2 (from a UI perspective), but then tunes either analog channel 2 or digital channel 102 or whatever?

[20:28:50]

iamlindoro_:

right

[20:28:53]

GreyFoxx:

3that's what they do here

[20:29:00]

sphery:

I see...

[20:29:11]

GreyFoxx:

My 6200 on channel "36" tunes the QAM version rther than the analog 36

[20:30:14]

sphery:

With DISH, (granted all was digital, but) I could tune either channel 35 (for my local Fox 35) or channel 8235 (or something like that)... The 35 was a logical name for the real channel number that was in the 8K range. I just figured they'd have a number for the digital version of the channel.

[20:30:32]

iamlindoro_:

The very existence of the 3200 on the same system proves that digital versions of same exist, so he'll likely be all set when he swaps

[20:30:38]

sphery:

Maybe, though, they only give the number for the digital version of the channel to those who pay for digital cable.

[20:30:53]

sphery:

i.e. through the policy you mentoined

[20:31:11]

iamlindoro_:

Well, he's got digital channels (according to him) so I would expect he has a digital package of some sort

[20:31:27]

sphery:

hmmm

[20:31:42]

sphery:

then maybe it's just the typical clueless cable co :)

[20:31:51]

BassKozz:

sphery: Thanks for the help

[20:32:13]

justinh:

more verbose added to the code.. let's see what's cooking... or not

[20:32:24]

iamlindoro_:

There's something to be said for astound, though, as they have consistently kept everything in the clear via firewire, god bless 'em

[20:32:26]

sphery:

BassKozz: sorry I don't feel like figuring out/typing out a whole scenario, but it is possible (though may not happen often)

[20:32:41]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: true...

[20:32:48]

sphery:

kind of Astounding, in fact

[20:33:15]

sphery:

I've heard that my local cable co (Brighthouse) encrypts everything they can.

[20:33:21]

BassKozz:

sphery: no, seriously, I appreciate you making sense of 12.6 for me, I am the lazy one :-P

[20:33:23]

BassKozz:

I get it now

[20:33:31]

sphery:

cool

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justinh:

bugger

[20:35:25]

BassKozz:

does OTA signals allow for multirec or only un-encrypted cable signals?

[20:35:35]

BassKozz:

Just curious for J-e-f-f-A's setup

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: heh, he just confirmed that his 6200 won't let him get to the digital channels

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sphery:

almost like he was listening...

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kale:

how do i find out what kernel module to use for my lirc remote?

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sphery:

lirc.org ?

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iamlindoro_:

He was very courteous in his reply, points for that

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sphery:

or your distro's wiki/fora

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sphery:

yes

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sphery:

kale: or, if you mention which remote you're using here, someone may be using it.

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kale:

my card is flydvb trio, on saa7143 module

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sphery:

and it has a remote/remote receiver on it?

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kale:

i plug in an "eye" on the back of the card, remote came with the card

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sphery:

no idea on that one

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akv:

I cannot get my decodercard to work with my new DVB-C card. I can watch unscrambled channels without a problem. Some channels get "LAMc – Partial Lock" and others "LAMC – Lock" – the last produces error "Error was encountred while displaying video". If I use czap there is no video when i play the device with mplayer. Kaffeine shows success decoding but doesn't show any video eighter...anyone?

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justinh:

crap. my calcvisibleitems is borked

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iamlindoro_:

akv: Since it sounds like a general tuner-in-linux issue, I qould suggest asking in #linuxtv

[20:45:15]

iamlindoro_:

er would

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akv:

i asked inthere yesterday, but noone were active and never got an answer :(

[20:46:07]

akv:

but i'll try again

[20:50:57]

dougl:

I am running 2 displays (tv and lcd) how can I run 2 mythfrontends with different aspect ratios and 2 different audio outputs?

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wagnerrp:

dougl: on the same machine, you really cannot

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dougl:

wagnerrp, ok – thanks :)

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wagnerrp:

mythtv is designed for one settings set for one machine

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wagnerrp:

you can play with some stuff with command line flags

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iamlindoro_:

Someone wanted to know about discrete codes yesterday, here is a good link: http://www.remotecentral.com/cgi-bin/files/rc . . . ;db=discrete

[20:52:06]

wagnerrp:

but not really enough to run two independent frontends

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wagnerrp:

dougl: even if you could get it working, it would be a complete pain to try to control them

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wagnerrp:

you would have to use different types of IR remotes, to prevent them from conflicting with eachother

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dougl:

can I do independant frontends one at a time... ie creating playlists on lcd monitor or watch tv ?

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wagnerrp:

and if you wanted to use a keyboard, you would have to use separate video cards running separate X servers

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wagnerrp:

i often run a frontend in VNC for maintenance, but if someone starts using the remote on the real frontend, everything goes wonky

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wagnerrp:

since it will receive the same commands as the other frontend does

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dougl:

right

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dougl:

I wish there was a utility to make playlists on desktop and import them to mythmusic

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wagnerrp:

you may be able to rig something up using Vservers

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wagnerrp:

but it would be painful

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dougl:

seems too complicated just to play music on myth

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** dougl will go fumble with remote – maybe there is a button I missed **

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inordkuo:

are mythweb thumbnails not working in trunk for slave backends at the moment?

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inordkuo:

i didn't see a ticket about it but mine haven't been working for the past few weeks

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kormoc:

we made a pile of changes a few weeks ago to that code, but no one has reported any issues

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justinh:

doh! I can't use my button heights until I've actually got em. lol

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inordkuo:

i have a master backend with apache running and two slave backends. the master backend has a pvr-500. the slave backends have dvb cards and an hd-pvr. only the pvr-500 recordings have thumbnails in mythweb.

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inordkuo:

so i'm not sure if it has to do with the fact that the recordings belong to slave backends or that they are hd recordings. any tips on trouble shooting this?

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kormoc:

the backend logs might show something

[21:04:57]

sphery:

inordkuo: make sure the time and time zone is identical on all hosts, too

[21:05:43]

sphery:

oh, wait... if you're using trunk, that shouldn't matter (as long as you haven't changed the master backend's time zone since you went into MythWeb)

[21:06:02]

sphery:

shouldn't matter means it's checking for you on trunk

[21:06:25]

sphery:

and MythWeb compensates if its host is using a different time zone

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inordkuo:

i've been running trunk for a while now and it used to work fine

[21:06:51]

sphery:

rm /path/to/mythweb/data/cache/*.png

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iamlindoro_:

I also have seen some preview generation issues on/from my slave backend recently

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sphery:

then go back to recorded programs

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inordkuo:

just recently it started with the missing thumbnails...like kormac was saying...a few weeks ago

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iamlindoro_:

not sure it's purely mythweb related, however

[21:07:25]

sphery:

or, better: find /path/to/mythweb/data/cache -size 0 -delete

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iamlindoro_:

as I have seen my slave backend hang up on the preview generation process, period

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: it's known to do that on HD-PVR recordings

[21:07:49]

iamlindoro_:

and I'll do a ps aux |grep mythbackend and see 20–30 preview generation processes hanging

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: no HD-PVR recordings in this case

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inordkuo:

i have no /path/to/mythweb/data/cache folder

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inordkuo:

could be my problem?

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iamlindoro_:

heh, inordkuo you are supposed to substitute something for /path/to

[21:09:19]

iamlindoro_:

ie /var/www or the like

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inordkuo:

yea...it's /var/www/mythweb/data

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inordkuo:

i'm on ubuntu

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inordkuo:

sorry..wasn't clear

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inordkuo:

but the data dir has .svn and tv_icons

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** kormoc blinks **

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inordkuo:

no cache

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kormoc:

unless you deleted it by hand, it should still be here

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inordkuo:

that's not good i take it

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kormoc:

actually, it's just odd, we don't use it anymore at all as of a few weeks ago

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inordkuo:

whenever i update, i just delete the whole mythweb directory and replace it with the updated version

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kormoc:

ahh

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sphery:

oh, yeah, trunk...

[21:11:29]

inordkuo:

change the permissions and group for the data folder and everything works

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inordkuo:

except thumbnails

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kormoc:

so yeah, check the MBE logs and the SBE logs, one of the two should give some hint

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kormoc:

we currently only go though the MBE for the thumbnails, as my understanding is the MBE will go connect to the slave and get them for us?

[21:12:28]

sphery:

kormoc: it doesn't

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kormoc:

welp, that'd be the issue

[21:12:48]

sphery:

kormoc: the mbe will only serve a preview for a recording if the mbe has local access to the recording file

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inordkuo:

my mbe has nfs mounts to the slave backend recording directories

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kormoc:

Hrm

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sphery:

kormoc: we'd have to look up the appropriate hostname's IP and do a request to the appropriate remote backend. My preview test script at http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/myth_get_previews.pl does that.

[21:14:17]

inordkuo:

actually all 3 machines have nfs mounts using autofs to all recording dirs on all machines

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kormoc:

Kk, I won't be able to fix it likley for a while, but it'd be a easy fix

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sphery:

inordkuo: OK, you may have to enable "Master Backend Override" as well as have local access to the filesystem for the mbe to serve previews for the slaves

[21:15:27]

kormoc:

no intertubes at home and I'm spending a inordinate amount of time with a certain female... So I'm quite limited on my coding time right now

[21:15:28]

sphery:

inordkuo: that may be a workaround until kormoc fixes it (it's in mythtv-setup, btw)

[21:15:35]

inordkuo:

ok i will try changing that setting

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inordkuo:

thanks

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sphery:

kormoc: priorities, priorities...

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sphery:

(you seem to have them worked out, that is)

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** kormoc laughs **

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kormoc:

Indeed

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** iamlindoro_ sends sphery back to the SG move code salt mines **

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justinh:

gbee: got a wee problem here. I changed the height of the selected button in recordings-ui.xml but it's not being pulled in

[21:17:25]

sphery:

kormoc: it's possible that when GreyFoxx commits his MythVideo SG patch and I adapt his "check for existing SG" code to work for putting previews in SG's that it will all just work regardless of backend host contacted

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justinh:

oh wait. maybe it's getting the height from the image instead

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iamlindoro_:

Whoops, Greyfoxx has been highlit, now he's obliged to commit his code

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justinh:

oh yes it is. heh

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: well, if it worked for you to get An du in to commit some stuff...

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Which stuff? I'm trying not to be too pushy with him since I'd like to see the fanart/banner/etc. stuff go in soon ;)

[21:19:31]

sphery:

yeah, the first stuff...

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sphery:

a while ago

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iamlindoro_:

Which stuff? Trailers?

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

was just typing trailers when you asked

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iamlindoro_:

That took rude, relentless badgering ;)

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iamlindoro_:

Good thing I have no shame/conscience

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iamlindoro_:

If I did I might be ashamed of myself ;)

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justinh:

ok back to the button positioning gubbins

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: this is so much more fun than theming :)

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justinh:

til stuff breaks. meh

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rhpot1991:

hey guys just want to clear up something about config.xml. Is this only created by the frontend? I am trying to sort out where it would live in different system configurations and my system has had symlinks in place for some time so I want to make sure my knowledge isn't outdated.

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: Sure, when you've got commit access ;)

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inordkuo:

ok so i set masterbackend override and restarted backends but still no slave thumbnails in mythweb.

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justinh:

gonna have to call in the code doctor

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sphery:

rhpot1991: both mythfrontend and mythtv-setup can create config.xml... Right now, IIRC (and I'll look in one moment), it must live in MYTHCONFDIR, which is normally ${HOME}/.mythtv , but can be overridden on the command-line with the MYTHCONFDIR env var.

[21:25:25]

sphery:

rhpot1991: Note, also, that the Perl bindings will /only/ work if there's a valid ${HOME}/.mythtv/config.xml

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rhpot1991:

sphery: thats exactly the issue I'm trying to resolve

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rhpot1991:

I've just been telling people to symlink up till this point, but I'm trying to build all of that into some init scripts now and wanted to make sure I understand the situation completely

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justinh:

I think I might have to jig up make install to not need sudo. this is getting tiresome

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rhpot1991:

so mythtv-setup should be creating a ${HOME}/.mythtv/config.xml by default?

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sphery:

still following code... one sec

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rhpot1991:

sphery: take your time :)

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justinh:

kk, so spot the (not) deliberate mistake in http://pastebin.ca/1328373 where the commented out lines 68 & 69 (dude) are in theory replaced by line 72. it's messed up & I can't figure it out

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justinh:

oh shoot. now I sees it

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justinh:

or not

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justinh:

ah. maybe

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justinh:

hrm. lastx should start life as the x-origin of the button area, which'd be used in line 68 as the base to place buttons.

[21:35:54]

justinh:

except it's not. aha!

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justinh:

ahhh that mostly works, it's just offset by one button width

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justinh:

set x&y pos was in the wrong place. oops

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justinh:

bah. still no worky

[21:52:59]

kale:

any idea how i could dump from lirc? something like cat /dev/device and then watch that something comes out

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iamlindoro_:

mode2, irw

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justinh:

yes!!!

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iamlindoro_:

I think I smell success

[21:57:26]

iamlindoro_:

No, that's cheddar

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justinh:

stupid, stupid mistake. in the row increment loop I'd set x = lastx rather than x = buttonareaXorigin

[21:58:44]

iamlindoro_:

I admire your relentlessness, I give things a few hours to work, then find something else to do ;)

[21:58:58]

justinh:

been staring at that one for 2 days

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justinh:

and this code isn't exactly rocket science ffs. frustrating

[21:59:53]

sphery:

rhpot1991: Looks like it can be written by mythbackend/mythtv-setup/mythfrontend if: a) the program isn't mythbackend running on the master backend, b) UPnP autodiscovery finds exactly 1 backend, or c) we have an interactive session (with GUI capability? I don't think command-line prompt is coded, yet) and the user selects a backend from the prompt then chooses to save the backend info. If they choose to save database details ...

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sphery:

... or if they choose "Configure Manually", it saves ${MYTHCONFDIR}/mysql.txt . If they choose a backend from the UPnP selection dialog, then choose to save backend details, it saves ${MYTHCONFDIR}/config.xml . config.xml is preferred because it tells us the master backend, then we can use that to request the DB connection info. mysql.txt works because we can use that to connect to the DB and then look up the master backend ...

[22:00:05]

sphery:

... details. However, it looks like "Save backend details" fails to save config.xml from mythtv-setup (didn't try mythbackend)--looking for the bug.

[22:00:09]

sphery:

rhpot1991: wow... that was long. Sorry for taking so long.

[22:00:22]

justinh:

iamlindoro_: well, the old ui libs were limiting & I had to live with it. mythui less so, but it gave me ideas where I ran into guess what.. limitations. so I wanna flatten them out to free the ideas :)

[22:00:41]

iamlindoro_:

again, the spice must flow

[22:01:13]

justinh:

god, my brain hurts now

[22:01:21]

sphery:

rhpot1991: note, also, that the UPnP selection only works when the master backend is running.

[22:02:02]

justinh:

better do an svn diff & upload this

[22:02:05]

iamlindoro_:

"rhpot1991: wow... that was long. Sorry for taking so long." That's what she said

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justinh:

tomorrow I'll get the selected button width to play its part in the button positioning

[22:04:28]

justinh:

then when that's done I'll take a look at incorporating anykey's patch, if I don't do the centreing/autospacing first

[22:04:52]

rhpot1991:

sphery: thanks, I think that covers most of my quetioning

[22:05:07]

justinh:

iamlindoro_: you like variable width buttons? ;) I SO want them too

[22:05:11]

rhpot1991:

sphery: any idea if the <MediaRenderer> is mandatory?

[22:05:19]

rhpot1991:

I see my frontend threw that in there, but the one in contrib lacks it

[22:05:23]

iamlindoro_:

justinh: Indeed I do

[22:05:50]

justinh:

iamlindoro_: actually getting variable size text areas would be a big bonus all over

[22:06:06]

rhpot1991:

my thought at this point is to generate one after install when mysql.txt is generated and just symlink to that for user accounts that will be running the perl bindings

[22:06:51]

justinh:

we might then be able to do smart stuff like the html rendering widget for assembling collections of variable lengths of data, but without the html

[22:07:07]

justinh:

or maybe I'm just getting a tad ahead of myself

[22:07:11]

iamlindoro_:

yeah, That'd be helpful

[22:07:23]

iamlindoro_:

horizontal lists with variable lengths of string have the most to gain

[22:08:20]

iamlindoro_:

It'd be nice to have a spacing tag in place of a size tag in cases of variable width

[22:08:33]

iamlindoro_:

oh, we do, duh

[22:08:36]

iamlindoro_:

I'm a dummy

[22:08:42]

iamlindoro_:

carry on

[22:08:51]

justinh:

we do?

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justinh:

<inactive> ?

[22:09:10]

justinh:

oh no, not that

[22:09:20]

iamlindoro_:

[22:09:21]

iamlindoro_:

that

[22:09:25]

justinh:

ah

[22:10:06]

justinh:

thought so, but what'd be better is a <spacer> or <empty> element which can have its own background.. unless there's already a way to simulate that

[22:10:23]

iamlindoro_:

hmm, yeah, that'd be good

[22:10:34]

justinh:

eep, this is starting to run away

[22:12:06]

sphery:

rhpot1991: looking at MediaRenderer, now... and, it looks like the Perl bindings will automatically create a ${MYTHCONFDIR}/config.xml if a single running backend is found using UPnP. Note that for UPnP to work, you need both Net::UPnP::ControlPoint /and/ Net::UPnP::QueryResponse . The bindings incorrectly tell you that Net::UPnP::ControlPoint isn't installed if it's installed but QueryResponse isn't (see ...

[22:12:12]

sphery:

... http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4754 ).

[22:12:32]

sphery:

Think I found the bug that's preventing things from saving correctly, too... So, thanks, rhpot1991 for helping me track down a bug.

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rhpot1991:

sphery: interesting, let me try those modules

[22:20:41]

sphery:

rhpot1991: it looks like the MediaRenderer is used to specify the Unique Device Name (UDN) for the UPnP server. It should be unique on the network, but the same for a host over time. (Which tells me that copying the working config.xml from my frontend host to a different host without modifying the UDN was wrong... Oops.)

[22:20:46]

sphery:

http://www.upnp.org/download/UPnP_Vendor_Impl . . . _Jan2001.htm

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rhpot1991:

failed to find backend, I'm not positive I have UPnP all setup though

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sphery:

rhpot1991: note, also, that the bindings will only create the config.xml on networks that have only one running backend.

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rhpot1991:

sphery: yes I have 2 backends also

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sphery:

if you have a master and a remote backend running, it will fail with "Multiple devices found via UPnP."

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sphery:

(once it's working, that is :)

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rhpot1991:

No config found; attempting to find mythbackend via UPnP.

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rhpot1991:

No backends found. Please copy /home/mythtv/.mythtv/config.xml from a working MythTV installation instead.

[22:22:23]

rhpot1991:

is what I got

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sphery:

yeah... we should probably modify that message to account for the UDN changes or--better--modify Myth to detect when another host is using the same UDN and change it/overwrite config.xml in that case.

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rhpot1991:

sphery: would it be bad to have a config without UDN though?

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rhpot1991:

just for bindings to be able to find the backend

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sphery:

No. I think your best bet is to create the config.xml without <UDN> element (so no <MediaRenderer> element)

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sphery:

Just do the <MythFrontend> element (to, er, specify the backend info ;)

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rhpot1991:

sphery: great, I'll be sure to let you know how it works out

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sphery:

rhpot1991: Also, make sure that if you have <LocalHostName> elements (i.e. unique identifiers--used to override the detected hostname), they're not the same on multiple hosts (that would cause them to step on each others' settings). You should probably leave out <LocalHostName>, unless told not to (i.e. you could use it to allow a user who has changed hostnames to use their DB without modification--without ...

[22:31:04]

sphery:

... http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.15 ).

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iamlindoro_:

Note that as of tomorrow you can schedule TWO episodes of Dollhouse on Fox! And I suggest you do...

[22:33:04]

iamlindoro_:

As Two is generally speaking the number fox airs before canceling whedon shows...

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iamlindoro_:

or at least moving them to 2:30 AM on Thursdays

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rhpot1991:

sphery: I'll keep that in mind

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rhpot1991:

sphery: gotta run now, thanks for the help

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rhpot1991:

new website looks nice btw

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sphery:

rhpot1991: hope I gave you at least some useful info.

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sphery:

rhpot1991: we still need to fix things, as it seems the bug is causing mysql.txt to be the only thing written except when running mythfrontend (which will create config.xml--presumably the forced creation in mfe is due to the fact that a bug prevented it from being written when it should have been by any of mythtv-setup/mythfrontend/mythbackend (that's not the master backend)

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: I only see Ghost (and only once)

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Second week's wo't show up in listings 'til tomorrow

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iamlindoro_:

won't

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sphery:

Oh, you're saying that tomorrow's download will get the following friday where it will show

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sphery:

got it

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sphery:

I thought I was missing out on the dollhouse.

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iamlindoro_:

Not until they cancel it you won't

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sphery:

heh

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mikeones:

Let me try this agian. My mythvideo has a system link to /media/movies. Mythweb is in /var/www/mythweb. My appache config file points to /var/www/mythweb. When I check the location of a video in mythweb it points to /var/www/mythweb//media/movies. Is my system link wrong?

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iamlindoro_:

Now, you might miss 30% of the picture due to hurrican warnings...

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iamlindoro_:

hurricane

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Humm... Supposedly the lates Via Unichrome Pro IGP has MPEG-4 decoding?

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iamlindoro_:

MPEG-2 Part 2 last I heard

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iamlindoro_:

ie divx/xvid

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justinh:

not h.264

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mikeones:

when ever I check videometadata I see the path as /media/movies

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mikeones:

I can't figure out what is wrong

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Yeah, doesn't say h.264 – but http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/chipsets/c-series/cn400/ claims "Chromotion CE Video Display engine with hardware MPEG-2 and MPEG-4 acceleration."

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iamlindoro_:

er mpeg-4 part 2 i what I meant above, sorry

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Ah, the Ion platform looks a lot more promising... ;-)

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iamlindoro_:

yes

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iamlindoro_:

I refuse to respond to the "Why can't we build a STB" thread to explain why the sigma chip would NOT be okay for a myth frontend a second time

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

hehe...

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GreyFoxx:

I'm waiting for the ion boards

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GreyFoxx:

I'll use the shells of my msntv2s

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro: I think I'll try digging into the UPnP stuff in Myth tonight to see what can be done... ;-) Granted, it would end up looking like an 0.21 theme, but that's better than nothing. ;-)

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A|work: I know plenty of people would appreciate it (although I'm not too familiar with many uPnP clients that are capable of presenting the uPnP UI stuff

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iamlindoro_:

clients of any value for HD material, anyway-- I think the PCH probably can, though

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iamlindoro_:

since GB-PVR has a "frontend" on it

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: but MUUUUUUUUUUH, we can buy chips. it's not like there are NDAs preventing open source drivers or anything ;)

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: *EXACTLY* the point I made 18,000,000 years ago when the thread began. then I fought a dinosaur and dragged my mate back to my cave

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro_: Humm... Yeah, that's something I hadn't though of – non-graphical clients, like a music player. Well, I can still expierment with my UPnP network players and if I get something working well, then work to make it 'compatible' with non-UI based players too.

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro_: Who knows, I'll probably end up sniffing packets with Wireshark to understand it better... ;-)

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** J-e-f-f-A|work once reverse-engineered a terminal emulator in that fasion – although with a serial datascope... ;-) **

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** sphery purposeful doesn't respond to stuart's "Moving recordings..." thread on -users list with the other option (changing the hostname manually after moving the recording to the other host's HDD **

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Yeah, I was struck by same urge and refrained

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: *someone* will say it, though

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sphery:

If he comes in here, I'll walk him through it, but not on the list

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iamlindoro_:

then get ready for broken databases, population, -users

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sphery:

I'm sure you're right

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justinh:

hrm. that thread about speech output in mythtv got me thinking about audio feedback in general. maybe it could just tie into myth the same way the lcd stuff does :)

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** justinh wonders how mythlcd menus work **

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: nice of Kevin to read my book and post the cliff notes for a certain someone who'd rather complain than read it.

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JEDIDIAH__:

so...

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JEDIDIAH__:

does anyone know of a HTPC case that's not ITX and can fit the footprint of a Tivo? (on the subject of what's the subject on the mailing list)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

justinh: I had setup 'festival' to say "Starting Myth-tee-vee" and "Stopping Myth-tee-vee" in response to the remote control power button presses (to provide audible feedback), but soon disabled it as I found it more annoying than helpful... ;-)

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Dibblah:

AAAARGH.

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Dibblah:

Offtopic: "Cover the area below the piston with clean shop rags so a circlip cannot fall into the crankcase".

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Uh-oh, the Pirates are here^^^

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Dibblah:

That happens to be quite good advice.

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JEDIDIAH__:

a Tivo style -pop- on remote button presses wouldn't be a bad idea.

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

JEDIDIAH__: that would get disabled on my boxes REAL fast!

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JEDIDIAH__:

logged channel...

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JEDIDIAH__:

does that mean there are lumberjacks here?

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JEDIDIAH__:

I could see you throwing a Tivo through the window then.

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

JEDIDIAH__: What's a TIVO? ;-) I've use'd Disn Network DishPlayers, but no Tivos. ;-) Myth Rocks!

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

so Dibblah, rebuilding a motor are you? ;-)

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** JEDIDIAH__ had a tivo waaaay before they were cool. **

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Dibblah:

Fitting a new barrel / piston to my bike.

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JEDIDIAH__:

I have 3 collecting dust now, if you ever feel the urge to throw one through a window.

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Dibblah:

Now I have to take the crankcase off :(

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** J-e-f-f-A|work had a DishPlayer 7100 (8GB drive, good for about 6 hrs recording) back in ~ 1991... **

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

JEDIDIAH__: yeah, the DP7100 had audible feedback too, although that was useful because the remote button-press was not often acted upon 'visually' for a few seconds...

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

JEDIDIAH__: But my latest frontends are HD-capable, and quite fast, so most navigation tasks are done in real-time without lag.

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

(Wait, what was I thinking — 1991 for DishPlayer??? Oops, it was 1999... oops!)

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** J-e-f-f-A|work has been at work too long today, time to leave he thinks... (6:24pm!) **

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sphery:

8GB? What was that good for, recording about 4hrs of TV?

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iamlindoro:

1 hour of "acceptable" TV

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sphery:

heh

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iamlindoro:

;)

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janneg:

8gb is perfectly fine for a rootfs

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janneg:

mine is on a 8GB usb stick

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sphery:

true

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iamlindoro:

janneg, But he's talking about an 8 GB DVR device

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sphery:

oh, he actually said, "good for about 6hrs recording"

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sphery:

so, yeah, it was basically the worlds most expensive (single) VCR tape.

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joe2371:

EP, no less

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

and at 1.3GB/hr, it was likely to be EP quality, too :)

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d0netsFN:

hey if i have my mythtv recording to /media/SP3, and i got a new drive so now i want to have it record to /media/SP4

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joe2371:

Apparently ArVids were getting 2Gb of uncompressed data on a VHS tape. That may have been meant to read 2 GB, but from the 1 MB/minute rates that Corvus was getting, I'm guessing gigabits was correct.

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d0netsFN:

can i move all my other stuff to sp4 somehow without messing up the database?

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kormoc:

Mount sp4 as sp3 and call it good?

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sphery:

d0netsFN: the location of the recording isn't stored in the DB--only the filename and a storage group name. The Storage Group is simply a logical name for one or more directories. So, just ensure you add /media/SP4 to the storage group and you're good.

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sphery:

d0netsFN: assuming that the file stays on the same backend

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sphery:

d0netsFN: and, kormoc's approach is best if you're not planning to continue using SP3

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d0netsFN:

i do plan on using sp3

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Dibblah:

Even if you don't it still works.

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d0netsFN:

but

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d0netsFN:

hrmm

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Dibblah:

ie it can be in any SG on the Myth system.

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Dibblah:

But yes, it needs to be in A SG on the same host.

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