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| [00:00:55] | iamlindoro: | justinh, I'm redoing/reimagining my PBB, I think/hope you may like |
| [00:01:01] | iamlindoro: | It'll be a huge step up from current |
| [00:01:09] | iamlindoro: | (IMO) |
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| [00:09:58] | justinh: | heh. I hope I like it too. I like being encouraging |
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| [00:10:53] | justinh: | I was almost serious about packing in 'concept' when I saw that vid of yours though. just means I'll have to up my game again – hence the code changes :) |
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| [00:11:42] | justinh: | what I'm going for is... why not display loads of info on the selected button? ;) |
| [00:12:26] | justinh: | I'm trying to make it for both width & height btw |
| [00:12:55] | justinh: | hopefully while still making it possible to do the old style centring / button spreading |
| [00:14:31] | justinh: | and maybe I'll be able to take it further still & make it possible to have elliptical button paths. without the spreading that might be tricky |
| [00:16:19] | justinh: | I'm not interested in circular menu styles yet, but they'll have their uses no doubt |
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| [00:18:52] | justinh: | still wanna have a crack at a sudoku game in mythui too. and my calendar gadget.. etc etc etc. so many grand plans I might never even finish concept |
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| [00:19:21] | laga: | so, is there a chess plugin for mythtv? |
| [00:19:54] | justinh: | I've never played chess in my life. ask somebody else :) |
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| [00:20:48] | iamlindoro: | should have it done in a little bit here, if you are still awake |
| [00:21:29] | sphery: | I'll be awake... I wanna see it, please. (And I want a pony, but I guess that's asking too much.) |
| [00:21:37] | justinh: | sadly, I am still very much awake |
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| [00:23:41] | ** Steven_M is back. ** | |
| [00:25:41] | laga: | Steven_M: can you pretty please turn off (public) auto away? it just clutters the channel and the nick changes tax the network |
| [00:25:52] | laga: | g'night |
| [00:26:21] | Steven_M: | laga: how? |
| [00:27:15] | justinh: | how is anybody expected to know what irc client you use? |
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| [00:28:01] | Steven_M: | justinh: konversation |
| [00:28:25] | justinh: | man konversation |
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| [00:29:24] | kale: | could i set up the mytv tv on a system that has the dvb card, and watch the video on another system? |
| [00:29:58] | justinh: | yes |
| [00:30:30] | justinh: | iamlindoro: I'll catch any screenies in my scrollback in the morning. I'm off to get some sleep |
| [00:30:41] | iamlindoro: | night |
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| [00:35:26] | kale: | how much bandwidth do i need to have frontend / backend on different systems? |
| [00:36:20] | GreyFoxx: | depends on the bitrate of whatever yuou are watching |
| [00:36:33] | kale: | GreyFoxx: its dvb-t |
| [00:36:40] | GreyFoxx: | That doesn't matter |
| [00:37:07] | GreyFoxx: | Whatever the bitrate of the incoming recorded stream is, that is how much BW is needed for that stream |
| [00:37:11] | kale: | GreyFoxx: so if i fire up mplayer it will show the bitrate for a specific channel, and then i'll know? |
| [00:37:22] | GreyFoxx: | Very likely |
| [00:37:28] | GreyFoxx: | If it's over a lan you have no orries |
| [00:37:32] | GreyFoxx: | no worries |
| [00:37:37] | sphery: | kale: generally a 100Mb switched network will be fine for most usage. |
| [00:37:38] | GreyFoxx: | Over the internet.... googdluck |
| [00:37:46] | kale: | its lan, but wireless |
| [00:37:59] | kale: | i can transfer up to 3MByte/s |
| [00:38:02] | GreyFoxx: | Wireless B would like Suck, G less so, and N likely ok |
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| [00:38:40] | _charly_: | i used mythtv over wireless lan a while ago, without any problems |
| [00:38:41] | kale: | hmm... i could try to record a stream with mencoder and play it over nfs |
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| [00:39:08] | kale: | anything i need to know before i install it? |
| [00:39:37] | clever: | cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg |
| [00:39:45] | clever: | try playing that localy and over nfs |
| [00:40:01] | kale: | locally works |
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| [00:40:30] | kale: | i usually use mencoder to record a stream, and then play it simultaniously with mplayer |
| [00:40:45] | kale: | havent tried over nfs though, also i may get a 2GB barrirer there |
| [00:41:02] | clever: | mencoder would change the bitrate of the stream, and change how much bandwidth you need |
| [00:41:40] | kale: | mencoder -oac copy -ovc copy -o <destination> <source> |
| [00:42:14] | clever: | then whats the point of even using mencoder?, why not just cat /dev/video0 > 'source" |
| [00:42:45] | kale: | clever: mencoder tunes the card too "mencoder dvb://<channelname>" |
| [00:43:00] | clever: | you can do that with the other cli tools |
| [00:43:08] | GreyFoxx: | Are you doing it that way so that you can keep the recording or just for regular playback ? |
| [00:43:15] | kale: | clever: you are right, guess its two ways of doing the same |
| [00:43:55] | kale: | GreyFoxx: sometimes i record a movie and encode it later on |
| [00:44:35] | kale: | can myth use postgresql? |
| [00:44:39] | GreyFoxx: | nope |
| [00:44:41] | GreyFoxx: | mysql only |
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| [00:47:10] | iamlindoro: | justinh, http://www.fecitfacta.com/PBB-gridview.ogg |
| [00:47:27] | iamlindoro: | justinh, This demonstration would be much better if preview generation were not broken on one of my backends ;) |
| [00:47:47] | PMantis: | Hi guys. I found something that was weird to me, and I need help deciding if it's a bug. |
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| [00:48:32] | PMantis: | For a few weeks I've been pulling my hair out trying to figure out why some shows are scheduled to record every day, but never do. |
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| [00:48:46] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: With working previews that would be pretty nity |
| [00:48:48] | GreyFoxx: | nifty |
| [00:49:45] | iamlindoro: | thanks, yeah, it's really getting on my nerves |
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| [00:50:28] | PMantis: | I found today that the schedulesdirect feed has the show starting at (example) 12:30, but the EIT guide says it starts at 12:29. I scheduled it according to the SD data, but once the EIT catches up and overwrites the data, Myth sees a discrepancy and doesn't record. |
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| [00:51:19] | PMantis: | Shouldn't Myth start recording even if the show starts 1–2 minutes late or early? |
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| [00:51:57] | iamlindoro: | As said earlier today, SD and EIT should never both be on the same channel |
| [00:51:59] | iamlindoro: | this is why |
| [00:52:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | PMantis: Didn't somebody tell you ealier to turn off EIT? ^^^ yeah |
| [00:52:37] | iamlindoro: | He's here for a second opinion ;) |
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| [00:52:52] | PMantis: | J-e-f-f-A: Not that I saw, I never reporting my findings. |
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| [00:53:38] | PMantis: | But my point NOW is, what if the all-knowing network decides to start a show 5 minutes late to allow for a special program? Shouldn't Myth adapt? |
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| [00:54:13] | SpAc: | Hi. I have two programs scheduled at the same time on different channels. Myth is telling me I have a conflict but I have a dual tuner. Just to test I am successfully recording two programs at the same time now. Why would I be getting this conflict? |
| [00:54:34] | SpAc: | *Mythweb is telling me I have a conflict |
| [00:55:03] | PMantis: | SpAc: You might have a program ending just before that.. and if you record 1 minute late and early, it overlaps. |
| [00:55:23] | iamlindoro: | PMantis, myth will never get new schedules five minutes before the show starts-- turn off EIT or SD on your channel, end of story. |
| [00:56:33] | PMantis: | iamlindoro: You're not following, but starting to get pushy with me. You should know by now that I don't usually add noise to the channel, but come with real questions. |
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| [00:57:30] | iamlindoro: | PMantis, Myth can only adapt as far as its schedules allow |
| [00:57:40] | iamlindoro: | and since you have SD and EIT on a single channel, they are overwriting one another |
| [00:57:56] | iamlindoro: | Myth also only reschedules programs at scheduled intervals and when getting new listings |
| [00:58:08] | SpAc: | PMantis: there is nothing else scheduled for that entire day. The only thing on is a rerun which myth is ignoring because of the filter I set up |
| [00:58:22] | PMantis: | iamlindoro: I don't use EIT, I disabled that, it's working now... now I'm reporting my findings. |
| [01:00:20] | PMantis: | iamlindoro: However, let's say for instance that I ONLY have SD, and I tell Myth to record a show from 12:30–1:00 every day... ONE day a month from now, the network decides to air a special program that runs over by even 5 minutes... if that show exists within the specified time, I'd expect Myth to adjust the schedule for that day and record, not completely ignore it. |
| [01:01:02] | xris: | PMantis: that's why the "find and record one instance of this show every day" kind of rules are there. |
| [01:01:03] | iamlindoro: | And if you set the rule properly, it will |
| [01:01:05] | xris: | or the title search |
| [01:01:16] | xris: | if you tell it to record at 12:30 and it's not on at 12:30, it won't record. |
| [01:02:05] | sphery: | any channel any time ftw! |
| [01:02:30] | kale: | can mythtv set to powerup timer in my bios? |
| [01:02:42] | sphery: | the timeslot rules are almost never what you should use |
| [01:02:55] | Dagmar: | kale: It's documented on the wiki |
| [01:03:11] | kale: | Dagmar: ok, thanks |
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| [01:03:58] | PMantis: | There seems to be a need for a happy medium. I can tell myth to record at exact times, or whenever it feels like it. My preference would be record this exact showing at this exact time, unless it's not found, then look for it +- 1 hour from that time. |
| [01:04:33] | Dagmar: | It can't do that last part |
| [01:04:34] | PMantis: | But defaulting to not record unless everything it perfect is bad logic. |
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| [01:04:50] | Dagmar: | There's no searching "around" a given time. |
| [01:05:07] | Dagmar: | You can tell it to grab one incidence of a show per day or per week. |
| [01:05:17] | PMantis: | Dagmar: I know that. If it existed, I'd use it. |
| [01:05:41] | PMantis: | Dagmar: And with that option, what if it grabs a re-run instead of the new show? |
| [01:05:52] | Dagmar: | THere's flags for that |
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| [01:07:12] | Dagmar: | Filter... new episodes only, exclude repeat episodes, etc |
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| [01:13:39] | sphery: | kale: if you're using gentoo and installing mythtv for the first time ever (and using 0.21-fixes) do /not/ use the default use flags for mysql... you need to use the +latin1 (or don't use the -latin1) use flag (I don't know my gentoo, so you'll have to figure out how to make it happy, but you need to have the default charset be latin1, not utf8) |
| [01:13:54] | SpAc: | experiencing this weird conflict issue... If I just record the program as a 'once off' it doesn't have any problem. When I set it up a schedule I get a conflict. The programs occur at overlapping times, different channels, and I have a dual tuner |
| [01:14:09] | sphery: | kale: if you've ever used mythtv before and you're bringing in a backup of a DB that ran on Gentoo, use whatever use flag you used for the last build of mysql |
| [01:14:15] | iamlindoro: | sphery, GreyFoxx, justinh: http://www.fecitfacta.com/pbb-gridview-fixed.ogg |
| [01:15:03] | PMantis: | Dagmar: Maybe I just need to forget everything I know about schedules, and look at it differently. |
| [01:15:24] | kale: | sphery: well, for now i just update my system to support mysql... |
| [01:15:46] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: That should be tagged NSFW because it's definitely porn |
| [01:16:00] | iamlindoro: | Dagmar, Hehe |
| [01:16:29] | iamlindoro: | I does enjoy my pictures |
| [01:16:48] | sphery: | kale: what I'm saying is that gentoo's default configuration for MySQL will break MythTV 0.21-fixes and below data. If you've /never/ used MythTV with a database running on Gentoo, configure MySQL right or you'll have to do http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Fixing_Corrupt_Database_Encoding before upgrading to 0.22. |
| [01:16:49] | Dagmar: | I felt like I shouod be touching myself just because of the radial change from the way the UI used to be able to work |
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| [01:17:08] | iamlindoro: | Dagmar, Hahahaha, thanks, I am... erm... touched ;) |
| [01:17:11] | sphery: | kale: but if you already have a corrupt DB, make sure you continue to corrupt the data or do the fix right now |
| [01:17:35] | booge: | can anyone suggest a good capture card that works with directtv and mythtv? i'm looking to build a dvr |
| [01:17:39] | sphery: | kale: i.e. all corrupt data is /much/ easier to fix than some corrupt and some valid data |
| [01:18:26] | Dagmar: | booge: How about nothing much but the HD-PVR |
| [01:18:49] | booge: | ok |
| [01:18:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | booge: For SD? I use 3 Dish Receivers -> S-Video & Audio -> PVR-500 and PVR-250 |
| [01:18:56] | sphery: | booge: for directtv, you'll need a good analog encoder... For one that works with MythTV, you'll want, i.e. the Hauppauge PVR-150 or PVR-500 (standard def) encoders. When 0.22 is released, you can use the HD-PVR to get high def. |
| [01:19:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | booge: for HD – HD-PVR is the only choice. |
| [01:19:11] | sphery: | (where PVR-250 is the predecessor of the PVR-150) |
| [01:19:12] | Dagmar: | If you want to record in HD because you've got that level of service with direct, HD-PVR is pretty much your option. |
| [01:19:28] | sphery: | and the stable Mythtv won't work with HD-PVR |
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| [01:19:50] | booge: | does the unstable release work at all? |
| [01:19:55] | psm321_: | hi |
| [01:20:12] | sphery: | unstable isn't released... it's the development branch. |
| [01:20:33] | booge: | when is the release date? i can record in non-hd until, if its coming out soon |
| [01:20:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | booge: When it's done. ;-) |
| [01:21:02] | sphery: | your best bet, though, is to use 0.21-fixes with an analog encoder(s) and then upgrade to HDTV (and the HD-PVR card) when 0.22 is released |
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| [01:21:31] | booge: | so the 500 until .22 comes out? |
| [01:21:33] | psm321_: | so i'm having some weird behavior on a new frontend... 4:3 video wants to display in a "square" area when i have 4:3 aspect ratio selected, and only stretches out to the proper width when i select 14:9. also, the (same) video is a lot more pixellated (not smoothed) compared to my main frontend |
| [01:21:46] | sphery: | If you don't, any problems you have with Myth are your responsibility to solve, which means lots of reading the mailing list archives. |
| [01:21:52] | sphery: | booge: yep, that's my recommendation |
| [01:22:05] | SpAc: | can I get myth to give me any extra info on why a conflict is occuring? |
| [01:22:11] | psm321_: | i'm suspecting display dpi issues, but how do i mess with that? |
| [01:22:15] | sphery: | if you've never run MythTV before you /definitely/ should not start with trunk |
| [01:22:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | psm321_: Widescreen Monitor? |
| [01:22:43] | psm321_: | J-e-f-f-A: yes! but i am running myth in a non-WS res (640x480 for testing) |
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| [01:23:06] | sphery: | if you have run mythtv since 2004, you may know enough to run 0.21-fixes on your production system and /only/ run trunk on a (completely separate/never-talks-to-the-production-system/never-uses-the-production-DB-or-re cordings) development system |
| [01:23:26] | sphery: | can anyone guess when I started using Myth? |
| [01:23:36] | psm321_: | 2004? :) |
| [01:23:36] | iamlindoro: | Well it's 5:23 now, so... |
| [01:23:44] | sphery: | heh |
| [01:23:46] | psm321_: | thats around when i started :) |
| [01:23:47] | sphery: | Feb 2004 |
| [01:23:57] | psm321_: | except i was more like dec 2004 |
| [01:24:06] | psm321_: | i think the earliest recordings i still have are jan 05 |
| [01:24:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | psm321_: That's normal behavior IIRC. On my WS monitor in my bedroom, I manually set 4:3 programs to 14:9, and occasionally have to zoom a 'letterboxed' HD program that's being broadcast in a 4:3 format [yuck]... |
| [01:24:26] | sphery: | That's when my life changed in ways I can't even describe. I met my true love, MythTV. |
| [01:24:42] | iamlindoro: | show him the pictures of the kids |
| [01:24:53] | psm321_: | J-e-f-f-A: ugh... no known fixes? also any ideas about the lack of smoothing? (i do recording in a very low res but my main backend smooths it out so its a blurry mess rather than a pixellated mess) |
| [01:25:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | psm321_: Looks great on my systems, but I'm running nvidia cards — are you running an ATI card by chance? |
| [01:26:05] | psm321_: | well my main one is a nvidia card, this new one is intel integrated |
| [01:26:33] | sphery: | psm321_: you have a 640x480 X display outputting to a 4:3 (physical) aspect ratio TV/monitor? |
| [01:26:45] | sphery: | And Myth thinks it's a widescreen monitor? |
| [01:27:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | psm321_: I haven't had any intel gfx systems — stuck with nvidia myself. My laptop has ATI video though, and it's scaling is horrible compared to my nvidias... |
| [01:28:17] | sphery: | If so, you likely need to set the option that's there for when something is enabled (whose name I won't mention because you'll tell me it's not enabled). There's a setting, "Monitor Aspect Ratio," that will only appear in mythfrontend's Appearance settings under "Screen settings" if you need to use it. So, if it's there, set it to 4:3. |
| [01:28:22] | sphery: | psm321_: ^^^ |
| [01:28:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro_: Looks incredible BTW – Your work continues to blow me away... ;-) |
| [01:29:06] | psm321_: | sphery: i'm not sure what myth thinks it is... i have a widescreen display (1280x800). i'm running myth at 640x480. when i play a 4:3 recording (all my recordings are 4:3), it shows in a square within the 640x480 myth window, with black bars on the sides. if i select aspect ratio 14:9 in the menu then it fits the entire window and looks normal. sorry if i was unclear before :) |
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| [01:29:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | psm321_: You're running Myth at 640x480, but your display is 1280x800 in X? |
| [01:30:03] | psm321_: | yes |
| [01:30:18] | sphery: | iamlindoro: I love the design |
| [01:30:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | psm321_: Then Myth know's it's a widescreen display, and no matter what resolution you run it at, assumes it's 16:9 |
| [01:30:46] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Closer to the MythVideo gallery too-- thanks |
| [01:30:54] | sphery: | psm321_: did you check that setting I mentioned? |
| [01:30:59] | iamlindoro: | sphery, And a bit more of a departure from the mold |
| [01:31:08] | sphery: | yeah, I like it |
| [01:31:35] | psm321_: | J-e-f-f-A: well i had the exact same problem when i was running myth at 1280x800 (black bars to be expected on the sides but they were too wide forcing the video into a square shape instead of 4:3) |
| [01:31:39] | psm321_: | sphery: not yet, sry |
| [01:32:21] | psm321_: | sphery: i dont see an aspect ration setting in appearance->screen settings |
| [01:32:41] | sphery: | It took me a minute to realize that the words are actually kind of useless for picking the episode to watch. When I watch, I watch episodes in order, regardless of subtitle/description, so seeing the subtitles of all of them really doesn't help me choose which to watch. So, I'd select the first and then would be able to see subtitle/description, and all the other details. |
| [01:33:00] | psm321_: | just width,height,x offset,y offset,gui size for tv playback,hide mouse cursor, run in window |
| [01:33:06] | sphery: | iamlindoro: now that you've taken off all the clutter, I'm sure people would be willing to pay for it... If it had some flaming background on it, of course. |
| [01:33:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | psm321_: My current 'live' backend has a 4:3 18.2" lcd – If I display myth in a window, it still defaults to a 4:3 ratio, even if I give it a 16:9 (or 16:10) resolution for it's window. (I only do this on my backend btw, to work & watch at the same time... ) ;-) |
| [01:33:26] | iamlindoro: | sphery, flaming ANIMATED background |
| [01:33:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | psm321_: I just manually change it to display as 14:9 to make it display properly. |
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| [01:34:05] | sphery: | psm321_: OK, then that setting won't apply. How are you running Myth at 640x480? |
| [01:34:09] | ** J-e-f-f-A just had a thought — pehaps 14:9 should be renamed to "Stetch to full screen"... (just a thought) ** | |
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| [01:34:33] | sphery: | psm321_: you set it using the width/height settings on that screen or are you doing an override with -geometry or -O |
| [01:34:44] | psm321_: | sphery: mythfrontend --geometry 640x480 (same thing i use to run it at 640x480 on my other system which is not widescreen) |
| [01:34:52] | sphery: | iamlindoro: I stand corrected... If the flames aren't animated, what's the point of paying for it? |
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| [01:35:09] | iamlindoro: | sphery, nil! |
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| [01:35:44] | sphery: | psm321_: try setting the settings in Appearance. It may actually be that -geometry (which is meant only for one-time override of the settings) doesn't override everything correctly. |
| [01:36:06] | iamlindoro: | sphery, I'm not sure it goes as far as I'd like to remove the clutter, but it's a start |
| [01:36:26] | psm321_: | sphery: ok, i will try that. but shouldnt running myth at native res (1280x800, no cmdline options) display the video properly? (i had the same problem there) |
| [01:36:44] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A|work: 14:9 is half zoom (i.e. for making 4:3 video take up more screen space while cutting off an "acceptable" amount of people's heads |
| [01:36:52] | Dagmar: | -geometry is only going to affect the displayed window |
| [01:37:19] | psm321_: | Dagmar: i have "use gui size for tv playback" enabled if thats relevant |
| [01:37:37] | sphery: | psm321_: yeah, if the settings are at 0 (i.e. auto, which makes Myth use full screen) and you still don't get the appropriate video scaling, it's your X aspect that needs fixing... |
| [01:38:06] | psm321_: | sphery: yeah thats what i was guessing (didnt know the right name... i mentioned screen dpi above)... my question is how? :) |
| [01:38:10] | sphery: | psm321_: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Display_Size |
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| [01:39:56] | sphery: | psm321_: what's critical is that the DisplaySize is set to the ratio of the physical display (i.e. if your screen is a 16:9 widescreen--regardless of resolution--use a 16:9 ratio for DisplaySize--i.e. "DisplaySize 16 9" or "DisplaySize 32 18" or "DisplaySize 487 274" or whatever |
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| [01:40:44] | Dagmar: | BAD |
| [01:40:52] | sphery: | And, yes, I realize you're trying to run Myth in a 4:3 window on a 16:9 resolution X display, but the DisplaySize is completely unrelated to pixel resolution... It's related /only/ to the physical display (TV/monitor) dimensions |
| [01:41:01] | Dagmar: | NAUGHTY NAUGHTY BAD BAD! Never set DisplaySize to something like |
| [01:41:04] | Dagmar: | "16 9" |
| [01:41:05] | psm321_: | sphery: am i understanding that page correctly that if my displaysize is ok i will see the same horiz and vert dpi? |
| [01:41:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: re: 14:9 — Really? Just seems to stretch wide on my display... |
| [01:41:13] | Dagmar: | Jesus that's suppoosed to be in MILLIMETERS. |
| [01:41:31] | psm321_: | sphery: because xdpyinfo does tell me 107x107dpi |
| [01:41:31] | Dagmar: | God only knows what kind of other things will break if it thinks your screen is about hte size of a postage stamp |
| [01:41:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: There's a seperate Zoom setting than the aspect ratio. |
| [01:41:59] | sphery: | Dagmar: I'm only saying how it must be configured. I couldn't care less what value he chooses, as long as it's the right ratio. |
| [01:42:30] | sphery: | If he likes to see his fonts 20" high on screen, that's his perogative |
| [01:43:16] | Dagmar: | Yeah, but they'll come back here with "OMG mai fontz are all beeg! hlpme plz" |
| [01:43:42] | sphery: | Dagmar: that's why there's a whole wiki page explaining what I didn't feel like copy/pasting :) |
| [01:43:51] | Dagmar: | I know. I wrote a bunch of it |
| [01:43:56] | kale: | can i configure mythtv from the frontend? |
| [01:44:04] | Dagmar: | Doesn't mean any of these people ever read |
| [01:44:16] | Dagmar: | ...or even try indepentent thought. |
| [01:44:30] | Dagmar: | s/pent/pend/; |
| [01:44:47] | Dagmar: | kale: Perhaps |
| [01:44:56] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A|work: yeah, you shouldn't ever change the Aspect Ratio during playback--doing so says you swapped out monitors since you started mythfrontend. The only reason there's a 14:9 setting in there is because it's a holdover from when Myth commingled aspect and zoom settings. TTBOMK, you really can't find a TV or monitor with a 14:9 physical aspect ratio. |
| [01:45:37] | sphery: | kale: you'll have to run mythtv-setup on the backend host, but you can do so with ssh -Y <hostname> |
| [01:46:26] | Dagmar: | I don't think he was asking was even as deep as that |
| [01:46:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: But zoom does crop the top & bottom, whereas changing the aspect ratio doesn't for me... For instance – SD recording that's a letterboxed HD show – black bars all the way around. 14:9 just stretches it wide. 16:9 and Zoom Full zooms it to full screen, with a little cropping. |
| [01:47:21] | psm321_: | sphery: so, i havent messed with the displaysize, and setting the geometry to 640x480 in the settings for some reason fixed it |
| [01:47:30] | psm321_: | sphery: i still dont quite get why, but meh :) |
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| [01:48:14] | sphery: | psm321_: I'd still recommend fixing the display size... Otherwise, everything in X will be the wrong dimensions (i.e. pictures, etc.--except, of course, when you display them pixel for pixel) |
| [01:48:16] | psm321_: | and Dagmar: i did read the page :) |
| [01:48:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | psm321_: Probably because myth checks the 'geometry' setting first, and if it's not set, it reads the resoution from X... |
| [01:48:30] | psm321_: | sphery: actually everything else looks just fine |
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| [01:48:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: Well, he's running a wide-screen resoution for X, but is starting MythTV in 4:3... |
| [01:48:51] | psm321_: | and xdpyinfo is reporting proper dpi if i understood that wiki page correctly |
| [01:48:51] | sphery: | psm321_: looks fine doesn't mean it's correct :) |
| [01:49:35] | psm321_: | J-e-f-f-A: the weird thing was i also had the problem if i started myth in a WS res before |
| [01:49:40] | sphery: | psm321_: OK, if DisplaySize is correct, then it sounds like there's a bug with the "one-time-use" -geometry override. |
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| [01:50:01] | sphery: | I wasn't willing to concede that if your X wasn't properly configured. :) |
| [01:50:23] | psm321_: | sphery: except i had an issue with myth running w/ no res override too, so maybe it is X :) |
| [01:50:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: That may be the case — I see the same issue with my 4:3 X display, starting myth with a 16:9 --geometry resolution. |
| [01:51:00] | sphery: | yeah, -geometry wasn't meant to be used all the time (that's why there are actual settings for the width/height) |
| [01:51:04] | psm321_: | sphery: when i was running myth at 1280x800 (no --geometry), my 4:3 recordings showed squareish |
| [01:51:49] | psm321_: | sphery: well on my main frontend at least i run multiple frontends at different res'es so i use --geometry pretty regularly :) but i'm weird like that |
| [01:52:17] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A|work: I haven't played with changing the aspect ratio settings during playback (as my system is configured with the right settings in the first place), but basically, I see changing the aspect ratio as only useful if you have a broken stream that claims to be one aspect but is actually a different (so you tell Myth to pretend that your screen is different so that 2 wrongs make a right) |
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| [01:53:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: my bedroom frontend is set with the proper aspect ratio. *however*, I prefer 4:3 shows to be stretched to fill the screen, and 16:9 programs to be stretched slightly to 16:10. That's why I change the aspect ratios. |
| [01:54:05] | sphery: | that's what zoom is for, though |
| [01:54:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: In the US, the streams do not identify the aspect ratio. |
| [01:55:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: But zoom *magnifies*, thus crops top & bottom – wrong effect. Sure, it maintains the aspect ratio, but I can live with a 4:3 screen getting horizontally stretched to 14:9 – it doesn't look bad, especially since most SD US broadcasts seem to be broadcasting in a 14:9 aspect as... |
| [01:56:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: ... it actually looks 'right', wheras 4:3 looks 'too tall'... |
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| [01:58:02] | Dagmar: | They're not broadcasting in 14:9, they broadcast in 4:3 with letterboxing. |
| [01:58:16] | Dagmar: | ...and what's letterboxed is 99% of the time 16:9 |
| [02:02:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | Dagmar: I know the difference between a letterboxed 16:9 show being down-converted to SD. My observation has been that many times 'stretching' a 4:3 broadcast to 14:9 (so it fills a 16:9/10 ratio screen) looks 'right', wheras the same program looks too tall at the 'default' 4:3 ratio. |
| [02:03:04] | cornell: | I've a slave which records analog, and I use it to watch, all is well. I've a slave that's using hdhomerun to record digital. I use it to record two shows on two channels. When I play back one, on the slave, I get horizontal lines from the left on the right and vice versa, and the sound stutters. When I play back the other, the image is clean, but it periodically stutters, sound and image. |
| [02:03:11] | ** kale tries to measure if his pixels are squares ... ** | |
| [02:03:17] | Dagmar: | J-e-f-f-A: Broadcasters must smoke a lot of dope where you are |
| [02:03:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | Dagmar: I attribute it to the broadcasters transmitting a 16:9 program slightly cropped and zoomed, so that it fills a 4:3 frame, but looks decent when stretched to 16:9 |
| [02:03:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | Dagmar: Perhaps, or maybe they're catering to the folks who bought 16:9 TVs and still have SD feeds???? |
| [02:03:54] | cornell: | I don't know if I need to deal with the master, or the slave, the frontend or the backend, or what attributes I'm looking for. Can anyone point me in the right direction? |
| [02:04:04] | Dagmar: | I know of no broadcasters who distort the aspect ratio of the broadcast |
| [02:04:25] | Dagmar: | Everyone with those kinds of TVs has one button they can use to make the TV do the stretching |
| [02:04:38] | Dagmar: | I'm looking at four right now in fact. |
| [02:05:23] | kale: | Dagmar: yes or some isidiously hidden feature in a sub sub sub menu ;-= |
| [02:05:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | Dagmar: And MythTV has this button called "M" for Menu that allows you to do the same thing. |
| [02:05:52] | Dagmar: | THey've even got two different ways of stretching the image--one's a straight horizontal zoom, and the other is parametric/parabolic, something named like that where it's relatively unstretched in the middle and the sides are stretched more to compensate so whatever's in the center field of view doesn't get distorted as much |
| [02:06:10] | Dagmar: | No need to hit menu. 'w' does it straight away. |
| [02:06:35] | Dagmar: | Hit it twice and you're looking at 16:9 content letterboxed in a 4:3 display at full screen on your 16:9 TV. |
| [02:06:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | "W" switches between aspect ratios and zoom settings too? |
| [02:07:05] | Dagmar: | Capital w changes the aspect ratio |
| [02:07:26] | Dagmar: | So between the two you can generally work around just about anything |
| [02:09:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | Both "w" and "W" change the Zoom level on my 0.21-fixes backend. |
| [02:11:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | CTRL-W changes the aspect ratio apparently... |
| [02:12:09] | Dagmar: | Ah, okay. I almost never use the one for aspect ratio, so I'm not suprised I forgot the meta was ctrl and not shift |
| [02:13:49] | kale: | do i need to import a database before i start mythbackend? |
| [02:16:40] | Dagmar: | Why would you think that? |
| [02:17:17] | Dagmar: | If this is your first installation and you are not following along with the installtion docs, stop now and go find the installtion docs. |
| [02:17:31] | Dagmar: | If you try to guess your way through an installtion, it will fail. |
| [02:18:49] | booge: | i can't find an hvr-500. would something like the hvr-850 work with satellite? |
| [02:20:50] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: sorry... distracted by phonecall. If you don't want to maintain aspect ratio of the video, you should use fill rather than zoom. |
| [02:21:33] | Dagmar: | booge: I don't think there *is* an HVR-500, which would be part of your problem. |
| [02:22:42] | booge: | opps. i just noticed. it's pvr!! is there a big diff between the 150/250/350? this is for directtv |
| [02:23:56] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: but now that I've looked on screen, what I thought was called zoom is now called aspect ratio (i.e. override the detected aspect ratio of the stream), so it is right to use that |
| [02:23:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: Right. And my perception has been that many "SD" 4:3 programs actually look better stretched to 14:9 than at the 'correct' 4:3 ratio. |
| [02:24:39] | Dagmar: | booge: You really need to familiarize yourself with the wiki |
| [02:24:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: And my theory is that perhaps they're transmitting a 16:9 picture in Anamorphic format, so that it looks slightly 'squished' horizontally on a standard 4:3 display, but looks right when 'stretched' to 16:9 |
| [02:25:18] | Dagmar: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Video_capture_cards |
| [02:25:24] | sphery: | could be... some STB's do that |
| [02:26:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: I've had DVD players that would do that, but not aware of my Dish STB's doing that... |
| [02:26:38] | kale: | Dagmar: o get an error from mythbackend, telling me something about "Table 'mythdb.settings' doesn't exist". it has created some tables though |
| [02:26:43] | sphery: | pretty sure there was a setting on my DISH receivers for that (I had the 4922 and the 311) |
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| [02:28:11] | booge: | Dagmar: i looked at the wiki. the wiki said for satellite, you had to use the nova or nexus cards. none of the pvr cards are listed under satellite. |
| [02:29:05] | Dagmar: | booga: That's because you're just skimming. |
| [02:29:12] | Dagmar: | You're not using a card for satellite in the US. |
| [02:29:21] | Dagmar: | You won't be tuning it in directly at any rate. |
| [02:29:39] | booge: | ok, so i can use any card then thats listed? |
| [02:29:47] | Dagmar: | You'll be using your DirecTV STB and passing the component or composite (ugh) output to an encoder card |
| [02:30:18] | Dagmar: | If you get HD service, you'll be buying an HD-PVR if you want to record in HD. |
| [02:30:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: I'll have to check 'em... They're recording currently so I'll check later. |
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| [02:30:28] | Dagmar: | If you get SD service you will likely be buying a PVR-150. |
| [02:30:48] | booge: | ok |
| [02:31:09] | Dagmar: | ...although they've got another version of that that does ATSC and composite input instead of NTSC and composite input, I don't know the model number. |
| [02:31:45] | booge: | does the directtv guide work through mythtv? |
| [02:31:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | booge: I have 3X Dish Network Receivers connected via S-Video and Audo cables into Hauppauge PVR tuners (encoders) – channel changing on the Sat tuners is done via IR blasters with lirc. |
| [02:32:25] | booge: | J-e-f-f-A: ok. thanks |
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| [02:33:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | booge: No, you get your listings through a service – Schedules Direct in the US. $20/Year, but worth every penny... |
| [02:33:40] | booge: | J-e-f-f-A: ok |
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| [02:38:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | booge: Unfortunately for us in the US, we can't just throw a sat tuner card in our myth systems and receive programming – They're much luckier on the other side of the pond... |
| [02:38:55] | booge: | lol. thats what i was confused about! |
| [02:41:28] | booge: | i can't seem to find new hauppauge pvr cards anywhere. |
| [02:41:59] | Dagmar: | newegg |
| [02:43:07] | booge: | the only pvr they have is the HD-PVR |
| [02:44:25] | Dagmar: | So you're really not smart enough to type "PVR-150" into the Google search box? |
| [02:45:34] | booge: | Dagmar: i did, and all shopping sites bring up refurbished ones or when you actually go to order, they say product not currently available |
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| [02:47:41] | wagnerrp: | i really hate it in film/tv, where the side of a plane busts open, and it is depressurizing for several minutes |
| [02:48:00] | wagnerrp: | the air will be gone in a few seconds, and then there is NO LONGER ANY RISK OF BEING SUCKED OUT! |
| [02:49:07] | wagnerrp: | my hatred is multiplied several fold when this happens on an unpressurized aircraft |
| [02:49:31] | wagnerrp: | such as... a military cargo turboprop |
| [02:51:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: or every car crash results in the car exploding... Yeah, right... |
| [02:51:39] | Dagmar: | Well, we all know that moving air sucks people out of vehicles. :) |
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| [02:53:31] | wagnerrp: | even better is that the loss of a chunk of fuselage is always followed by the crash landing of said aircraft |
| [02:53:53] | wagnerrp: | because pressurization is somehow necessary for air-worthiness |
| [02:55:43] | wagnerrp: | especially military aircraft that are designed to fly with large chunks taken out of them |
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| [02:56:24] | wagnerrp: | oh its just hell having an understanding of physics and trying to watch TV |
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| [04:02:20] | Lexridge: | iamlindoro: what do you know about dolby E? |
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| [04:07:37] | snarkster: | ok i installed the mythtv-frontend package for mythbuntu on my laptop, but when i run it i get garbage on the screen. I can see the cursor moving if i hit the down arrow and i can esc out but not much good if i cant read the screen. |
| [04:08:16] | snarkster: | anyone here use mythbuntu? |
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| [04:15:21] | wagnerrp: | Lexridge: seems to just be a mechanism for encoding multi-channel audio optimized for transmission over old stereo analog equipment |
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| [04:16:54] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp: The reason I was asking, I found out today from our HD Rack installer that our Harris CBS receivers are outputting 8 channel dolby E, and it's apparently not compatible for broadcast, so it needs to be converted to something else. :( |
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| [04:18:23] | wagnerrp: | yeah, it only seems to be intended for use internally, to allow compatibility with old cable runs and equipment |
| [04:19:17] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp: CBS probably wants us to use the AES/EBU signal instead of the HD-SDI/embedded audio solution. Another wrench in the works with time rapidly running out. |
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| [04:23:56] | iamlindoro: | Lexridge, Sorry, was away from the desk-- Yeah, I don't know any more either, all the material we received when I worked in the headend was in broadcastable format-- I was aware of Dolby E's existence, but that's more or less it |
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| [04:24:13] | snarkster: | if anyone can assist that would be great. http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/113469/ |
| [04:24:46] | wagnerrp: | snarkster: looks like you dont have database access |
| [04:25:09] | snarkster: | yah i thought that as well.. but the screen is all jacked so i cant read anything |
| [04:25:16] | wagnerrp: | also looks like youre using this on a desktop |
| [04:25:25] | snarkster: | it appears the screen slides to the left |
| [04:25:31] | wagnerrp: | are you running as the same user you are running the backend as? |
| [04:25:43] | snarkster: | right its my laptop for frontend access.. |
| [04:25:44] | snarkster: | no |
| [04:25:47] | Lexridge: | iamlindoro: It would seem the HD rack can decode it, but nothing else can. If we find ourselves ever in the need to time delay CBS, we are screwed 'cause the Omneon video server only plays back noise on recorded cbs material. |
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| [04:26:02] | wagnerrp: | so this isnt even the main machine |
| [04:26:10] | snarkster: | right |
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| [04:26:12] | wagnerrp: | first, you have to configure mysql for remote access |
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| [04:26:31] | wagnerrp: | second, you have to set up permissions to allow your laptop to access the database |
| [04:26:33] | snarkster: | is there som way to pass a screen size |
| [04:26:50] | wagnerrp: | third, you need to fix the backend so that it uses a real IP, as opposed to 127.0.0.1 |
| [04:26:59] | snarkster: | ah |
| [04:27:03] | Lexridge: | I should get more information tomorrow. We have a meeting with the company we purchased the HD rack from. |
| [04:27:15] | wagnerrp: | for screen size, you can use '--geometry WxH' and '--windowed' |
| [04:27:38] | wagnerrp: | both of which can be permanently set from within the frontend once you get everything else set up |
| [04:28:29] | wagnerrp: | fourth, so long as you set a PIN code for authentication in mythtv-setup, the frontend should auto-detect the backend and automatically connect to the database |
| [04:29:20] | kale: | mythtv doesn't find my channels, the signal level goes up, but no channels com out of it. i can playe channels with mplayer. i have tried to increase the timeout, but it does not help. any advice? |
| [04:29:45] | wagnerrp: | kale: do you have a multi-theaded system |
| [04:30:00] | kale: | it has analog and dvb-t |
| [04:30:20] | wagnerrp: | multi-threaded... |
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| [04:30:31] | wagnerrp: | hyperthreaded P4...? multicore...? |
| [04:30:34] | kale: | wagnerrp: you mean OS? |
| [04:30:42] | wagnerrp: | multiprocessor...? |
| [04:30:45] | snarkster: | hmmm still cant get it to unscramble the screen.. |
| [04:30:46] | kale: | wagnerrp: i have linux on amd64*2 |
| [04:31:07] | snarkster: | well it was just a thought anyway |
| [04:31:11] | snarkster: | thank you |
| [04:31:29] | wagnerrp: | kale: in order to use the channel scanner in mythtv-setup, it must be run on a single core. run 'taskset -c0 mythtv-setup' and attempt to scan again |
| [04:31:51] | wagnerrp: | alternatively, if youre using mplayer, you already have a channels.conf |
| [04:31:54] | wagnerrp: | just import it |
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| [04:31:58] | kale: | hmm... exciting... |
| [04:32:16] | kale: | wagnerrp: i'm having trouble importing the channels.conf file too |
| [04:32:33] | wagnerrp: | well then try the taskset/scan thing |
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| [04:34:15] | kale: | wagnerrp: your taskset command does not work either |
| [04:34:26] | kale: | wagnerrp: what is it supposed to do? |
| [04:35:05] | wagnerrp: | kale: its supposed to force mythtv-setup to only operate on the first physical core |
| [04:35:23] | wagnerrp: | the channel scanner is bugged, and does not function properly on SMT/SMP systems |
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| [04:36:02] | HRearden: | i've read a couple of messages around vdpau and the "Options Composite 'Disable'" setting. Read that it was recommended, but I seemingly like a few others, get a green screen/no video when I put that in. Never saw a good answer on the list about this. |
| [04:36:25] | slithytove2: | hi |
| [04:37:02] | wagnerrp: | HRearden: actually, VDPAU did not work for me until i turned composite on, same green screen issue |
| [04:37:29] | HRearden: | and by turning composite on, you mean having that line in xorg.conf, but set to "enable"? |
| [04:37:29] | kale: | wagnerrp: got taskset going, did not help me |
| [04:37:44] | wagnerrp: | 'enable' or 'on' |
| [04:37:51] | wagnerrp: | 'true' would probably work too |
| [04:37:55] | HRearden: | Isn't that the default? |
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| [04:38:05] | wagnerrp: | i think its disabled by default |
| [04:38:35] | HRearden: | Don't think so. I had no line in xorg.conf at all and it worked fine. Put the "disable" line in and went to hell in a handbasket. |
| [04:39:02] | HRearden: | Not sure if I was seeing any tearing. Don't really think so. It's the OSD stuttering that's my only problem. |
| [04:39:05] | wagnerrp: | well if it all worked fine, why did you change it? |
| [04:39:18] | HRearden: | OSD |
| [04:39:28] | wagnerrp: | tearing is just a matter of operation for VDPAU until they stick in vsync |
| [04:39:43] | wagnerrp: | as for OSD issues, turn off the fade in playback settings |
| [04:39:45] | HRearden: | And the recommendation on the list. |
| [04:39:51] | HRearden: | Yeah, fade is already off. |
| [04:40:08] | wagnerrp: | well then there should be no animation to cause stuttering |
| [04:40:39] | HRearden: | Just being on the screen and then off causes it. |
| [04:40:54] | HRearden: | Mind you, this is on a Very Slow CPU. |
| [04:42:24] | HRearden: | Anything else to look for? Any other settings there? |
| [04:42:41] | wagnerrp: | nothing i had to change, and im using it on a P4 1.8 |
| [04:43:01] | HRearden: | Think I'd still be slower. Via 1Ghz. |
| [04:43:48] | wagnerrp: | ouch... the words 'Abandon All Hope' come to mind |
| [04:44:26] | wagnerrp: | ive actually been considering swapping mine out for a cooler P3 0.8, but havent gotten around to it |
| [04:45:06] | HRearden: | It was near the trash heap / file server realm and I thought VDPAU could save it. In fact, it pretty much has. I can watch HDTV on it without issues except for any OSD popups. |
| [04:45:15] | HRearden: | That's why I think there must be something else I'm missing. |
| [04:45:44] | HRearden: | What card do you have? I've got a Pny Verto 8400 GS. |
| [04:46:27] | wagnerrp: | asus and sparkle 8400s |
| [04:47:12] | HRearden: | any other settings at all you made in xorg.conf? |
| [04:47:35] | wagnerrp: | just standard screen setup |
| [04:47:46] | HRearden: | deinterlacer? |
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| [04:48:30] | wagnerrp: | advanced, ive heard that doesnt work on the 8400s, but ive personally not seen combing |
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| [04:53:14] | HRearden: | any interesting / specific BIOS settings? |
| [04:53:28] | ** HRearden clutches at straws ** | |
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| [04:57:12] | wagnerrp: | just ones related to my failed attempt at getting W-O-USB and standby working |
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| [05:05:55] | sphery: | HRearden: I know nothing of VDPAU, but I think I remember someone's saying that if you get a green screen with no video, you need to flip the value for whether vdpau uses a colorkey (some environment variable). Have you done that? If not, I'll look up the env var name if you want. |
| [05:06:24] | HRearden: | yup |
| [05:06:54] | HRearden: | I get video, no problem, as long as I turn Composite back to default (enabled). |
| [05:07:07] | HRearden: | I was fiddling trying to solve my OSD stuttering. |
| [05:08:01] | HRearden: | Ooo, gee, now I would appear to have done something completely ass-backwards in BIOS settings and it won't even boot. Fun. |
| [05:08:24] | HRearden: | Last .. friggin ... penny .. that .. Via .. ever .. get's from my cold dead hands. |
| [05:08:43] | sphery: | HRearden: I meant the USE_VDPAU_COLORKEY=1 (or =0) setting... Did you try those when Composite was disabled? |
| [05:08:50] | HRearden: | yup. |
| [05:09:04] | sphery: | OK... Then I don't know. |
| [05:09:05] | HRearden: | still got the green screen. Saw that one on the mail list. |
| [05:09:17] | sphery: | I think a couple people on the list also said that it only worked with Composite enabled for them. |
| [05:09:40] | sphery: | probably more to be learned |
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| [05:10:08] | HRearden: | Yup. Now I have to find that magical jumper to reset the BIOS settings. Or just toss it out the window. Choices .. Choices .. Choices. |
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| [05:31:37] | fruit-fly: | w00t |
| [05:31:43] | fruit-fly: | I am using it |
| [05:32:09] | wagnerrp: | what be this magical object you are using fair maiden? |
| [05:32:39] | fruit-fly: | what's a good digital tuner? I mean now that all broadcast is going to be digital I don't have to worry about analog carp |
| [05:32:49] | wagnerrp: | do you have cable? |
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| [05:33:17] | fruit-fly: | yes |
| [05:33:29] | wagnerrp: | then youre going to need analog capture |
| [05:34:02] | sphery: | unless you just want to pay the cable co $30+/mo to pick up the channels that are broadcast free OTA... :) |
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| [05:34:21] | sphery: | OTA ftw! |
| [05:34:38] | jm1: | Hi, I am running mythtv with 2 tuners. I have also set "record past the end of the program" for an additional 10 minutes. If I have three programs to record, 2 on one channel (1 after the other) and 1 at the same time as the first. How can I help the scheduler? |
| [05:35:15] | jm1: | tuners 1 and 2 are recording fine. Then tuner 2 stops recording the extra 10 minutes, and starts recording the second program (straight after the first) |
| [05:35:41] | wagnerrp: | well if theyre on the same channel, you have whatever you were trying to record, just on the other show |
| [05:35:48] | fruit-fly: | ohh, why? |
| [05:36:03] | fruit-fly: | I still picked up a lot of qam channels |
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| [05:36:16] | jm1: | wagnerrp: Yes, but the other tuner stops recording the other channel, and starts recording the same channel as the first |
| [05:36:18] | wagnerrp: | fruit-fly: for the most part, the only thing you can capture over qam are the channels that are already broadcast OTA anyway |
| [05:36:21] | jm1: | I'd prefer the first tuner keep going |
| [05:36:24] | fruit-fly: | well the bulding came wired already |
| [05:36:27] | jm1: | so I get the extra 10 minutes on the second channel |
| [05:36:46] | jm1: | rather then getting the same content recorded twice |
| [05:37:01] | jm1: | I have set a higher priority to the first channel |
| [05:37:07] | jm1: | which could be impacting it |
| [05:37:46] | fruit-fly: | can I still pick up OTA with an indoor antena/dish? |
| [05:37:50] | sphery: | jm1: you've set the setting that's meant to be used to allow time for your capture card to start up/HDD's to spin up, etc... It's used /only/ when a new capture card is first used or shut down... It's not used for back-to-back recordings. (The setting is, "Time to record past end of show (in seconds)".) |
| [05:38:19] | sphery: | jm1: You need to specify /on the recording rule/ that you want an end late time of +10 minutes (and, perhaps a start early of +10 minutes) |
| [05:39:29] | jm1: | is there a way to do that globally on all recordings? |
| [05:39:37] | jm1: | I've always set it via the frontend |
| [05:39:43] | sphery: | nope, you /must/ set it on each recording rule |
| [05:39:44] | jm1: | (which is wrong apparently :) |
| [05:39:58] | sphery: | yep, the frontend setting is not used by the scheduler |
| [05:40:29] | jm1: | let me see if it will change the result |
| [05:41:20] | sphery: | jm1: if you set it on the recording rule, it's considered part of the program and can cause conflicts, so you may have to manage conflicts |
| [05:41:31] | fruit-fly: | so what cards would any of you pick for digital stuff and cable? |
| [05:41:50] | jm1: | yeah ok thanks sphery and wagnerrp |
| [05:42:06] | jm1: | will try that out next time I see it. |
| [05:44:12] | jm1: | other question I had is on the OSD, runniung a geforce 8400 gs, outputing in 1080p resolution. |
| [05:44:26] | jm1: | when I record HD programs OSD is fine |
| [05:44:33] | jm1: | sorry playback |
| [05:44:43] | jm1: | when I play back SD programs the OSD flickers a lot |
| [05:44:54] | fruit-fly: | jm1: which card do you use for hd? |
| [05:45:16] | sphery: | jm1: change your playback profile group to Slim ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Playback_profiles ) |
| [05:45:19] | jm1: | either, they are both capable of it |
| [05:46:49] | fruit-fly: | which one is a good one? |
| [05:48:25] | jm1: | a good one? |
| [05:48:46] | jm1: | one is pci other is pcie |
| [05:49:07] | fruit-fly: | by the way I've noticed a lot of usb drivers in the kernel. Are usb used for OTA? |
| [05:49:39] | jm1: | sphery: I just tried slim, that fixed the problem. It was set to CPU+ |
| [05:49:55] | jm1: | now both SD and HD play back with flicker free OSD |
| [05:50:09] | wagnerrp: | fruit-fly: they can be, there are USB ATSC/QAM tuners |
| [05:50:11] | fruit-fly: | the one I've got has been discontinued at newegg :( |
| [05:52:26] | fruit-fly: | so far look pretty solid and complete, IR, radio analog/digital audio driver etc |
| [05:55:49] | fruit-fly: | this is a sure bet right :) Hauppauge HD PVR High Definition Personal Video |
| [05:56:15] | wagnerrp: | sure, if youre using trunk, and done mind some still buggy drivers |
| [05:56:18] | fruit-fly: | albeit expensive |
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| [05:57:00] | fruit-fly: | I still don't know how on earth usb2 can stream 1080p |
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| [05:57:24] | wagnerrp: | fruit-fly: it doesnt stream 1080p, 1080i is the best it does |
| [05:57:30] | iamlindoro: | a) The HD-PVR doesn't do 1080p, b) compressed digital video is trivial amounts of data |
| [05:57:45] | wagnerrp: | and its not like they stream it raw, it sends compressed h264 at a max of 13.5mbps |
| [05:57:59] | wagnerrp: | as compared to the theoretical maximum of USB at 480mbps |
| [05:58:03] | fruit-fly: | I see, that's the limitation |
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| [05:59:21] | fruit-fly: | this one is mine ---> 01:08.2 Multimedia controller: Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder [MPEG Port] (rev 05) |
| [05:59:51] | wagnerrp: | so even you dont pull raw video off your capture card |
| [06:01:18] | wagnerrp: | '[MPEG Port]' |
| [06:02:53] | fruit-fly: | oh I see!! for digital I need mpeg4 or h264, I just realized :( |
| [06:03:10] | wagnerrp: | for digital, you need mpeg2 |
| [06:03:21] | wagnerrp: | only mpeg2, always mpeg2 |
| [06:03:35] | fruit-fly: | wow cool, I am chatting and having mythtv as the backdrop |
| [06:03:46] | fruit-fly: | it's my first time |
| [06:03:58] | wagnerrp: | well that is until you move to a DVB country, or stations start broadcasting in h.264 (not likely to happen any time soon) |
| [06:04:00] | fruit-fly: | I am watching Univision |
| [06:04:11] | fruit-fly: | ok |
| [06:07:41] | Dagmar: | Xuxa is the reason I can understand Espanol. |
| [06:07:44] | Dagmar: | w090t |
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| [06:11:48] | fruit-fly: | oO |
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| [06:17:07] | sphery: | jm1: Yeah, really CPU+ should never be used, and most everyone should use Slim (or, everyone should start with Slim). So, why is it the default? Actually, Normal is the default, but due to a bug, CPU+ gets selected, instead. :) |
| [06:20:17] | fruit-fly: | mine is on CPU+ I have firefox running etc |
| [06:21:50] | sphery: | yeah, CPU+ ends up selected for users who don't actively change it. |
| [06:21:55] | sphery: | Slim is probably a better choice |
| [06:24:29] | justinh: | iamlindoro: ni i i i i i i ce :) |
| [06:24:55] | fruit-fly: | well I am not recording or anything, I don't even have sound yet |
| [06:26:57] | justinh: | my new backend setup is completely incapable of playing video smoothly. dunno wtf is up with that compared to the old install |
| [06:27:23] | justinh: | good job it doesn't matter a jot or I'd have got to the bottom of it |
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| [07:06:59] | wagnerrp: | looks like its time for an upgrade (having the VDPAU OSD skew issue) |
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| [07:18:46] | Dagmar: | Hey, do you have any skill with CVS wrangling? |
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| [07:23:35] | ** Dagmar checks for mice ** | |
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| [07:31:29] | Gokee2: | Hello all, I can`t seem to record anything anymore. I hit record only this showing (mythweb) hit update. Now Record only this showing bubble is checked. Click on the url and press enter to go to the page and Don`t record is checked |
| [07:32:21] | Gokee2: | I have Table 'oldrecorded' is marked as crashed and should be repaired in my log |
| [07:33:18] | justinh: | optimize_mythdb.pl |
| [07:33:31] | Dagmar: | Yep. DB is hosed then |
| [07:33:59] | Gokee2: | justinh, Where is that? |
| [07:34:07] | Dagmar: | You'll have to repair it because mysql won't do *anything* with busted tables, because the result would be a lot like shaking a box marked "crystalware" and hearing bits of glass rattle around |
| [07:34:24] | Dagmar: | There's actually a button in mythweb now to kick that off |
| [07:35:15] | Gokee2: | So why does the DB break all the time? (Also why did mythweb not just tell me it could not record the program?) |
| [07:35:18] | Dagmar: | Click on that somewhat iffy looking wrench and key icon, and then hit the Database button on the left |
| [07:35:32] | Dagmar: | If the DB is breaking "all the time" you have serious system instability issues |
| [07:35:43] | Dagmar: | It shouldn't break but once in a blue moon |
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| [07:36:12] | Dagmar: | If you hard power off the machine, it'll screw up the tables. |
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| [07:36:29] | Dagmar: | If you forcibly quit the mysql daemon with something insane like `kill -15` it'll crash the tables |
| [07:36:44] | Dagmar: | If you run out of disk space in the place your tables live, THAT'll crash the tables |
| [07:36:45] | Gokee2: | This is the third or forth time... (Less then a year) We have had some power outages though.... |
| [07:37:09] | Dagmar: | Yeah, go spend $35 on a cheap "small office / home office" UPS |
| [07:37:20] | Dagmar: | Have the PVR running off that. It'll be money well spent. |
| [07:37:57] | Dagmar: | Even if it only keeps the thing up for eight minutes on battery that will be more than enough to get around the occasional brownout or 2–3 second blackout like people tend to get |
| [07:38:22] | Gokee2: | Wow, I love mythweb. That made the database repair seem like nothing |
| [07:39:01] | Dagmar: | If you're having more serious "20 minutes and counting" blackouts, it's not very hard to get upsd or apcupds or any of the other UPS-monitoring daemons to just cleanly power the machine down as soon as the power goes away |
| [07:39:10] | Dagmar: | ...and getitng that to work is REALLY easy to test. :) |
| [07:39:11] | Gokee2: | I would love a UPS, I want it to be able to power 2–3 computers for long enough to shut them down though.. :/ |
| [07:39:29] | clever: | Dagmar: ive found that if you run out of disk space, it wont crash the tables till you shutdown mysql |
| [07:39:39] | clever: | like its remembering the extra data that doesnt fit |
| [07:39:45] | Dagmar: | Well, that's a "want" and not demolishing the filesystem on your fileserver is more like a "need" |
| [07:39:56] | clever: | so if you free up the space before shutingit down, it generaly comes out better |
| [07:39:58] | Dagmar: | clever: It's keeping that stuff in memory, and it CAN run out |
| [07:40:04] | clever: | yeah |
| [07:40:17] | clever: | at that point, 99% of the querys seem to block while waiting for space |
| [07:40:20] | wagnerrp: | Gokee2: keep an eye on slickdeals, they usually have a decent UPS about once a month or so |
| [07:40:29] | clever: | then i blindly restart the server thinking it will fix things:P |
| [07:40:37] | Dagmar: | Shipping on a UPS isn't happy stuff tho |
| [07:40:40] | clever: | oops! |
| [07:40:49] | Dagmar: | THey're kinda heavy |
| [07:40:54] | wagnerrp: | i have a 900VA, a 800VA and a 550VA. about $140 for the lot |
| [07:41:00] | Dagmar: | I generally just pick one up on sale when they go on sale |
| [07:41:26] | Dagmar: | The unfortunate thing about the cheap APCs is that the batteries might *technically* be recyclable, it's cheaper just to buy a new unit most of the time |
| [07:41:33] | Gokee2: | wagnerrp, Ok thanks |
| [07:41:53] | Dagmar: | $24 plus shipping on a replacement battery for a $35 UPS is depressing |
| [07:41:58] | clever: | Dagmar: i got an old ups cheap at a pawn shop because the baterys where toast |
| [07:42:17] | Dagmar: | That probably came out in the black |
| [07:42:18] | clever: | its now running on ~4 12v ones in paralell to get more time out of it |
| [07:42:38] | clever: | and you dont want to cheap out on wiring it up:P |
| [07:42:40] | Dagmar: | I've thought about getting a small vehicle battery for that sort of thing |
| [07:42:57] | clever: | the jumper wires i was using where starting to melt |
| [07:43:17] | Dagmar: | Heh. 20ga stranded is not always your friend |
| [07:43:26] | wagnerrp: | in parallel? mine use 24V batteries |
| [07:43:34] | Dagmar: | One of the few things we can't repurpose old strands of cat-3 cable for |
| [07:43:36] | clever: | wagnerrp: the ups expects 12v so 24v would fry it |
| [07:43:50] | wagnerrp: | i think they use 24V... |
| [07:43:55] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: Some are 12V systems, some 24v, some (like the ones at work) OMGCRAZYV |
| [07:44:01] | clever: | Dagmar: the wire itself was fine, but the rubber boot arround the aligator clip was being sliced like a hot knife thru butter |
| [07:44:05] | wagnerrp: | i dont actually have any hooked up currently to check |
| [07:44:52] | Dagmar: | They've got 6 or 8 big 12V batteries that look like they could go in farm equipment chained |
| [07:45:01] | clever: | lol |
| [07:45:04] | Dagmar: | ...and multiple chains of that |
| [07:45:04] | wagnerrp: | that reminds me, i need to pick up a USB cextension able with my next parts purchase |
| [07:45:14] | clever: | Dagmar: thats what my baterys where originaly from |
| [07:45:19] | clever: | ~10 12v baterys in series |
| [07:45:25] | clever: | 120v dc! |
| [07:45:29] | Dagmar: | *shudder8 |
| [07:45:33] | Dagmar: | Don't ever short those |
| [07:45:33] | clever: | yeah |
| [07:45:35] | wagnerrp: | thats some dangerous stuff there |
| [07:45:44] | clever: | ive heard about what happens when you drop a screw driver |
| [07:45:46] | clever: | MELTS! |
| [07:45:47] | Dagmar: | I would be gluing rubber sheets to the underside of any shelf you have above them |
| [07:46:08] | Dagmar: | clever: ...and sometimes *violently plasmatizes* i.e., explody-boom |
| [07:46:13] | clever: | yeah |
| [07:46:25] | Dagmar: | One of those big batteries had a terminal fall short when we first got the thing in |
| [07:46:37] | Dagmar: | I was holding it when the pigtail fell across both terminals. |
| [07:46:44] | clever: | o shit! |
| [07:46:59] | Dagmar: | It just touched for a second, but it made this fan of sparks as perfect as can be and melted the contact a bit |
| [07:47:12] | Dagmar: | I've still got the shirt with a tiny line of sepia dots on it where the sparks hit me |
| [07:47:18] | clever: | lol |
| [07:48:18] | clever: | my dad fixes xray machines, and that includes the mobile xray machines |
| [07:48:38] | clever: | i think it uses 8 of the baterys for the xray system and 2 for the drive motors to move the whole thing |
| [07:49:08] | clever: | so it inverts the 96v dc to high freq AC, and then converts that to high voltage DC |
| [07:49:58] | wagnerrp: | that seems wasteful |
| [07:50:48] | clever: | its using a diode/cap multiplyer to conver the AC->DC |
| [07:50:48] | clever: | each stage doubles the voltage |
| [07:52:09] | justinh: | balls. 20 mins of battery left |
| [07:52:36] | clever: | this laptop is reading 1260 hours remaining:P, need to give it a second to addjust |
| [07:52:43] | clever: | 1h 34mins sounds alot better |
| [07:53:47] | clever: | damnit |
| [07:54:07] | clever: | i run 'i8km&' and bash exits |
| [07:54:53] | Gumby: | are there any scripts out there that check if the backend is running and if it isnt restart it? |
| [07:55:10] | Dagmar: | You're generally supposed to handle that through an init script. |
| [07:55:25] | Dagmar: | Something that just starts the backend just like any other daemon when you boot up |
| [07:55:44] | Gumby: | that does nothing if it crashes while I am not around |
| [07:55:45] | Dagmar: | Checking to see if it's running and restarting it is something you can do with a small shell script and crond |
| [07:55:49] | clever: | i got bored and wrote a c++ daemon that would waitpid() on mythbackend and restart it when needed |
| [07:55:54] | clever: | but thats overkill |
| [07:55:55] | wagnerrp: | generally if the backend isnt running, theres something more important you need to fix |
| [07:56:16] | Gumby: | wagnerrp, indeed. But in the meantime, I'd like the backend to restart. |
| [07:59:09] | Dagmar: | Do you know how to use crond and are you any good with shell scripts at all? |
| [08:00:06] | Dagmar: | ...because basically you just need something like http://www.pastebin.ca/1326966 being called every few minutes by crond |
| [08:00:40] | wagnerrp: | i really need to just flush this whole system and start from scratch |
| [08:00:59] | wagnerrp: | should only take a day or so to rebuild everything |
| [08:01:08] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: I'm waiting for 0.22 but I'm thinking maybe I should just go ahead and do it |
| [08:01:32] | Dagmar: | Slack's up to 12.2 now and I'd kinda like to catch up |
| [08:01:35] | wagnerrp: | Dagmar: actually speaking of my freebsd box |
| [08:01:45] | wagnerrp: | QT seems to be all hosed up on freebsd |
| [08:02:35] | Gumby: | Dagmar, I should be able to get it done. thanks |
| [08:03:10] | Gumby: | of course, I'll spell "mydthbackend" properly ;) |
| [08:03:25] | Dagmar: | Gumby: You'd want to replace 'restart' with 'start' in that at the very least, and possibly add a >/dev/null to the ps invocation there |
| [08:03:45] | Dagmar: | I meant for that not to work without someone at least paying a little attention. ;) |
| [08:03:48] | Gumby: | hehe |
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| [08:04:13] | Dagmar: | Basically, ps -C processname -o pid= only returns a pid if a process named exactly that is running |
| [08:04:31] | Dagmar: | ...but we don't care about that, we only care about it's exit status, which is 1 if it found something and 0 if it didn't. |
| [08:04:45] | clever: | cant you just use pidof? |
| [08:04:52] | Dagmar: | Try it and see |
| [08:05:06] | Dagmar: | There's a ton of different ways to go about it, I'm just used to using ps because it's on every unix everywhere |
| [08:05:26] | clever: | pidof returns 1 if there was nothing found |
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| [08:05:50] | Dagmar: | That thing also assumes some jackass didn't login to the system and write a shell script named `mythbackend` that's just a sleep 4000000000 |
| [08:05:59] | clever: | lol |
| [08:06:00] | Dagmar: | So, pidof would work fine |
| [08:06:10] | clever: | pidof wont find shell scripts enless you give -x |
| [08:06:40] | wagnerrp: | seems my problem is due to QT3 and QT4 living on the same system |
| [08:06:56] | Dagmar: | Mythbackend doesn't create a pidfile and I was too lazy to code something to make one in my init script |
| [08:07:05] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: o.O |
| [08:07:20] | Dagmar: | I thought people had realized it was too much trouble to keep them *both* on the same machine |
| [08:07:51] | wagnerrp: | yeah, but this install is a year old or so |
| [08:08:01] | wagnerrp: | i need to figure out what (if anything) is still using 3.3 |
| [08:08:07] | wagnerrp: | and nuke it |
| [08:08:20] | Dagmar: | Time for some indiscriminate scanning with ldd |
| [08:09:30] | wagnerrp: | well pkg_delete is supposed to warn me before deleting, and it didnt |
| [08:09:38] | wagnerrp: | so i suppose its needlessly on there |
| [08:09:53] | wagnerrp: | or rather its not any longer |
| [08:12:48] | ** Gumby wonders a decent amount of time to use in cron for that script ** | |
| [08:13:03] | Dagmar: | Considering that it runs in milliseconds? |
| [08:13:11] | Dagmar: | */5 (every five minutes) should be plenty often enough |
| [08:19:42] | justinh: | duh. if you run mythfrontend at a geometry of half the default size of COURSE the VERBOSE you put in to report the size of an item will be 'wrong' |
| [08:19:44] | Dagmar: | Just make sure that when it does nothing it makes absolutely NO output, or crond will beat you to death with emails |
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| [08:20:15] | Dagmar: | justinh: Another "answer is correct, user is broken" bug report? |
| [08:21:08] | wagnerrp: | personally, i liked #6209 |
| [08:21:23] | justinh: | no, I was just scratching my head as to why my code wasn't reporting the right size |
| [08:21:31] | Dagmar: | Oh. Hehe |
| [08:21:32] | wagnerrp: | 'mythtv is screwed? please help' |
| [08:21:50] | Dagmar: | "answer is correct, user is british." |
| [08:22:15] | wagnerrp: | is that the new answer to all of justinh's troubles? |
| [08:22:52] | Dagmar: | Hopefully not. I know I use much stronger language at myself when I have those kinds of moments. |
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| [08:23:34] | justinh: | oh dear crap. turns out my button positioning code wasn't actually doing what I thought after all. arse |
| [08:26:18] | justinh: | of course, setting variables from coordinates which haven't yet been established will lead to fail |
| [08:28:06] | Dagmar: | ...or exciting mystery decorations! |
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| [09:11:43] | SpAc: | I can't seem to schedule two regular recordings at the same time without a conflict. I have a dual tuner. If I just do a once off recording they work fine |
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| [09:14:14] | justinh: | you have a dual tuner but did you configure two tuners in mythtv-setup ? |
| [09:17:43] | SpAc: | it's one device with two tuners... let me check |
| [09:19:13] | SpAc: | in Capture Card setup under DVB:0 I have max recordings set to: 2 |
| [09:19:40] | justinh: | each tuner is treated by mythtv as a different device, so if you only added one tuner device... |
| [09:20:16] | SpAc: | If I try and add another capture card it tells me that it is already in use |
| [09:20:49] | justinh: | yeah, it will unless you tell it to use a _different_ device |
| [09:21:13] | SpAc: | it shows up both tuners in mythweb backend status |
| [09:21:20] | justinh: | nonononononono |
| [09:21:39] | justinh: | those two are just the virtual tuners of the only tuner you've configured |
| [09:22:33] | SpAc: | justinh, haha ok |
| [09:22:50] | SpAc: | justinh, I'm listening... what do I need to do? |
| [09:23:09] | justinh: | stop mythbackend. go into mythtv-setup and add a NEW tuner card |
| [09:23:19] | gbee: | is google toolbars Pagerank stuff enabled by default? |
| [09:23:24] | justinh: | make sure it's not the same device node as the first tuner card |
| [09:23:34] | justinh: | gbee: I've just about done it! but it's a mess |
| [09:23:42] | gbee: | cool |
| [09:24:17] | Dibblah: | Argh. It appears there's no way with my current router firmware to do static ARP entries. |
| [09:24:35] | Dibblah: | Which means that I can't just leave this testbox on and allow WOL to it :( |
| [09:25:50] | SpAc: | justinh, ok, but it wont let me select a different device number |
| [09:27:38] | SpAc: | brb, just going to log out/in |
| [09:27:42] | sid3windr: | any pointers on why my second mythbox can't eject my dvd drive? |
| [09:27:52] | sid3windr: | "eject" and "eject -t" on the commandline work just fine |
| [09:28:03] | sid3windr: | myth says it can't eject the empty tray, I may have to use the button |
| [09:28:06] | sid3windr: | is that normal? :) |
| [09:28:35] | Dibblah: | sid3windr: Look in Trac for 'eject' |
| [09:29:28] | ** sid3windr re-starts his firefox after it crashes AGAIN ** | |
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| [09:30:09] | Dibblah: | sid3windr: And try installing cdrecord |
| [09:30:30] | sid3windr: | eject also uhh |
| [09:30:33] | sid3windr: | matches reject ;/ |
| [09:30:57] | justinh: | gbee: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/ . . . nspacing.png |
| [09:31:20] | sid3windr: | Dibblah: hm, will try that.. but both myth installs are identical .. on one it works on the other it doesnt :) |
| [09:31:37] | Dibblah: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4877 |
| [09:31:48] | justinh: | and now, I don't even think I like it. heh |
| [09:32:16] | sid3windr: | Dibblah: it's the other way around |
| [09:32:17] | Dibblah: | ? |
| [09:32:23] | sid3windr: | I can use the button, I can't use "eject" from mythtv |
| [09:32:41] | Dibblah: | justinh: concept? |
| [09:32:59] | justinh: | yup |
| [09:33:25] | Dibblah: | Now that's interesting. |
| [09:34:31] | Dibblah: | The only negative thing I'd say about is it looks disconnected. |
| [09:35:09] | justinh: | Dibblah: only proving that my button spacing hack works |
| [09:35:18] | Dibblah: | But I'm not a graphics guy :( |
| [09:36:09] | Dibblah: | Argh. Who decided that /etc/ethers couldn't just be a static ARP table which fed into the kernel :( |
| [09:38:41] | Dibblah: | sid3windr: Try mythfrontend -v all |
| [09:38:47] | Dibblah: | And see what happens on eject. |
| [09:39:35] | sid3windr: | Dibblah: will do. when I get back home :) thanks for the pointer |
| [09:40:26] | justinh: | hmm. wonder if there's another way to do this that isn't cheating |
| [09:51:18] | gbee: | justinh: heh, the effect is good |
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| [09:51:51] | justinh: | now I wanna do it so it's usable on non-centred scrolltype too :) |
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| [09:52:04] | justinh: | that might be harder |
| [09:53:04] | justinh: | right now I'm being lazy and testing if row == (m_itemsVisible/2)+1 |
| [09:53:58] | justinh: | I think it's a catch-22 outside the centred scrolling case |
| [09:55:45] | justinh: | on the plus side, I have a much better idea of how stuff in there works now :) |
| [09:56:58] | Dibblah: | Did you eat a banana or something? |
| [09:57:21] | justinh: | ruh? |
| [09:57:26] | Dibblah: | Themer -> Coder in one (not very easy) step ;) |
| [09:57:41] | justinh: | what I've ever done != rocketscience |
| [09:57:52] | justinh: | this is blatant hackery & nothing else |
| [09:58:51] | justinh: | more people should have a go at this. it can infuriatingly fun |
| [09:59:58] | justinh: | er.. * can be |
| [10:00:54] | justinh: | Dibblah: it's also not like I'm really learning much yet either. I can't even remember how I fixed a compile problem I had yesterday |
| [10:01:19] | justinh: | this is the 'copy & paste bits of code & see what happens' school of programming :) |
| [10:04:19] | Dibblah: | That's how recent software development works. I'm sure of it. People are always talking about code reuse... |
| [10:04:22] | Dibblah: | ;) |
| [10:06:02] | Dibblah: | There's a shock. Udo has gone quiet. |
| [10:06:20] | Dibblah: | Maybe we scared him off? ;) |
| [10:06:53] | ** Dibblah waits for another "is it fixed yet" email. ** | |
| [10:09:34] | justinh: | maybe it's already fixed |
| [10:11:40] | waxhead: | nice job on the new web site |
| [10:12:00] | waxhead: | hopefully gbee will see that.. :) |
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| [10:15:33] | waxhead: | what's the go with mythtstream? can i use that to subscribe to vobcasts? |
| [10:15:49] | justinh: | ruh? |
| [10:16:23] | justinh: | you mean vodcasts methinks |
| [10:16:31] | waxhead: | vod, yes... |
| [10:16:44] | justinh: | don't think so |
| [10:16:50] | waxhead: | bugger... |
| [10:18:53] | justinh: | apparently there's an rss parser for mythstream, so the answer might be 'yes' after all |
| [10:19:11] | waxhead: | hmm.. stuggling with the set up at the moment too... |
| [10:19:28] | waxhead: | just hit the wiki to see what's there |
| [10:20:03] | justinh: | I dunno what else could be expected of a barely maintained 3rd party plugin |
| [10:20:12] | waxhead: | oooo... MythTvNet looks good |
| [10:20:21] | justinh: | ahem |
| [10:20:23] | justinh: | looks pikey |
| [10:20:30] | waxhead: | pikey? |
| [10:20:55] | waxhead: | as in "snatch"... pikeys.. I hate pikeys.... |
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| [10:22:40] | Neeesat2: | Good morning |
| [10:23:04] | justinh: | I don't want no steenking teevee from teh interwebs. geektv sucks :) |
| [10:24:05] | Neeesat2: | I am using a release .21 version of myth and mythtv-setup crashes as soon as I try to scan for channels with error: DVBSM(1), Warning: Can not count Uncorrected Blocks |
| [10:24:16] | waxhead: | justinh: it's TV when you miss the show... |
| [10:24:26] | waxhead: | an interview from 2 nights ago... |
| [10:24:39] | justinh: | that would be illegals in most places |
| [10:24:51] | waxhead: | want to watch it on the big tv not the laptop |
| [10:24:56] | justinh: | not many tv companies put out rss feeds of shows |
| [10:25:06] | Neeesat2: | Any idea why this happening? |
| [10:25:18] | waxhead: | justinh: it's the national broadcaster: http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/ |
| [10:25:34] | justinh: | waxhead: never heard of it |
| [10:25:38] | waxhead: | as a tax payer, I guess I've paid for it already.. :) |
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| [10:27:17] | waxhead: | it's one of our earlier treasurers talking about the lead up to the current "financial crisis"... it's interesting... |
| [10:27:35] | waxhead: | laptop it is then... |
| [10:27:36] | justinh: | .. if you find stuff like that interesting, sure |
| [10:28:09] | gbee: | waxhead: rss? |
| [10:28:32] | waxhead: | interesting form the point of view that it's well explained... and more interesting in the view that the US aren't going to bail anyone out... |
| [10:28:44] | waxhead: | hey gbee, nice job on the website ! :) |
| [10:29:06] | waxhead: | gbee: there is a rss feed for the vodcast... |
| [10:29:30] | gbee: | mythnews will playback videos from rss feeds, fullscreen using the internal player |
| [10:30:17] | Neeesat2: | Anyone knows how to fix the crash while trying to scan for channels please? |
| [10:30:37] | justinh: | Neeesat2: > 1 CPU ? |
| [10:30:52] | Neeesat2: | yes 1 DUAL CORE |
| [10:31:06] | gbee: | waxhead: glad you like it, I'm a little bored with it if I'm honest |
| [10:31:36] | justinh: | Neeesat2: you need to set mythtv-setup to only use one core. can't remember how to do that |
| [10:31:36] | waxhead: | gbee: prolly be you were looking at it all the time when doing it... |
| [10:31:54] | waxhead: | hmm.. only have mythstream no mythnews |
| [10:32:03] | Neeesat2: | hmm |
| [10:32:16] | justinh: | taskset -c 0 /usr/bin/mythtv-setup |
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| [10:33:06] | Neeesat2: | Thanks I will try that |
| [10:33:23] | gbee: | xris did most of the work and the intial colour scheme/design, I just made some suggestions and provided the graphics to make them work |
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| [10:34:36] | Neeesat2: | Oh man it's working |
| [10:34:45] | kale: | i'm having trouble to get myth to find any channels. it does show that there is signal, so i do not know what is wrong here. |
| [10:34:52] | Neeesat2: | Thanks juskinh |
| [10:35:01] | justinh: | who? |
| [10:35:24] | Neeesat2: | sorry justinh |
| [10:36:14] | ** justinh can feel his mood degrading. Propaganda on the iPod :( ** | |
| [10:37:53] | ** kale points at will it blend ** | |
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| [10:40:06] | purserj: | waxhead: is that the costello whinge? |
| [10:41:58] | purserj: | as a bit of background, the ABC (Australia's version of the BBC) pod/vodcasts many of its news programmes |
| [10:42:37] | justinh: | why not just record them all? |
| [10:42:49] | justinh: | MythTV – never miss a thing (tm) |
| [10:42:50] | kale: | ooohh, increasing the tune delay worked in combination with taskset -c 0 |
| [10:43:03] | clever: | justinh: ive been getting several hours of the tv guide channel lately |
| [10:43:17] | justinh: | so? |
| [10:43:24] | clever: | its missing shit! :P |
| [10:43:33] | purserj: | justinh: smaller file size, can select only the interviews you want to see rather than the whole show |
| [10:43:40] | clever: | the ir blaster is either droping a digit or sending them too slowly |
| [10:43:54] | ** justinh falls asleep. sorry ** | |
| [10:43:56] | clever: | so it either goes to channel 4, or it goes to 4 then 5 |
| [10:43:58] | kale: | can i run the frontend as any user? |
| [10:44:06] | justinh: | kale: yup |
| [10:44:18] | justinh: | within reason |
| [10:44:53] | kale: | i was not thinking root or postgres ;-) |
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| [10:48:12] | waxhead: | purserj: no... it's the one where keating is talking about the financial situation and how he see things will work out... questions why france, germany and italy are on the g7 etc... |
| [10:48:18] | waxhead: | purserj: interesting... |
| [10:48:33] | waxhead: | and you're right about the reasons for getting it via rss |
| [10:49:24] | justinh: | soundbite culture ;-\ |
| [10:49:37] | waxhead: | not really... |
| [10:49:41] | justinh: | really |
| [10:49:46] | waxhead: | I have crappy reception... |
| [10:50:01] | waxhead: | no matter how much myth can capture, it's impossible to watch |
| [10:50:38] | waxhead: | I have 1 tb already at 90 odd percent.. so I'm recoding plenty... not getting any time to watch it though... :) |
| [10:51:31] | kale: | does the frontend need to access the database on the backend? |
| [10:51:33] | purserj: | justinh: no, not really, if it was soundbite culture I'ld be listing/watching the commercial crap |
| [10:54:06] | justinh: | kale: it needs to access the database, yes |
| [10:56:47] | justinh: | purserj: so how do you know which interviewyou 'should' watch? |
| [10:56:50] | kale: | in the guide it speaks of a local database, is that needed too? |
| [10:57:05] | justinh: | only one database |
| [10:57:33] | kale: | ok, i guess my mysql doesn't answer on my net... |
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| [10:59:21] | purserj: | justinh: I read the descriptions attached to each interview and make my judgement based on what I know and what I want to find out |
| [11:00:19] | justinh: | without staging a revolution I doubt there's much we can do about the arseholes who run our respective countries & financial institutions |
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| [11:01:55] | purserj: | either way I like having the flexibility to watch what I want to watch without have to sort through stuff that I don't |
| [11:03:08] | waxhead: | purserj: you watching it on a myth box? |
| [11:03:26] | waxhead: | purserj: the rss/vodcasts that is... |
| [11:03:34] | purserj: | waxhead: yeah, using mythnettv |
| [11:04:13] | waxhead: | ARGH!!! |
| [11:04:22] | purserj: | hmm? |
| [11:04:41] | waxhead: | this is just lame... |
| [11:04:46] | justinh: | maybe some people don't want their list of recordings polluted by downloaded stuff :) |
| [11:04:58] | waxhead: | the streaming is so pathetic.... |
| [11:04:59] | purserj: | justinh: each to their own :) |
| [11:05:47] | purserj: | justinh: given that mythnettv does the dreaded 'b' word, I don't see it becoming an official plugin before the heat death of the universe |
| [11:05:52] | justinh: | I laugh about it being called a plugin though |
| [11:06:04] | justinh: | it's not a plugin |
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| [11:06:29] | purserj: | well not at the moment no |
| [11:06:31] | justinh: | in the same way that the apple trailers 'plugin' isn't a plugin |
| [11:06:43] | purserj: | it's a seperate app that plays with the myth db and underlying file system |
| [11:06:47] | justinh: | and in the same way that menus aren't plugins |
| [11:07:03] | purserj: | it doesn't even have a UI |
| [11:07:32] | justinh: | therefore cannot be a plugin :) |
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| [11:08:21] | purserj: | meh, what ever it is, I use it. It's handy for merging the bits from the net that I watch with the shows I get from the airwaves |
| [11:09:13] | justinh: | does it even bother putting stuff in its own group? |
| [11:09:20] | purserj: | yup |
| [11:09:27] | purserj: | has it's own storage group |
| [11:09:27] | justinh: | that's not so bad then |
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| [11:11:46] | kale: | can i run the frontend windowed ? |
| [11:11:59] | kale: | also all my channels are black |
| [11:11:59] | justinh: | yup |
| [11:12:20] | justinh: | all your pastebins of log output are missing :) |
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| [11:13:29] | justinh: | whoops. the remaining episodes of season 3 of Heroes just got deleted |
| [11:14:41] | Dibblah: | Because you watched them? |
| [11:15:04] | kale: | hmm... my system transfers something, but i still only get a black screen. channel names are shown though |
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| [11:15:50] | justinh: | Dibblah: nope. because I got bored waiting for the plot to become vaguely coherent |
| [11:15:57] | kale: | another frontend tells me it is watching live tv |
| [11:16:25] | justinh: | kale: your pastebins of frontend & backend log output are still missing |
| [11:16:47] | kale: | justinh: oh you asked for those, sorry |
| [11:19:02] | kale: | frontend: http://rafb.net/p/3sNRXH24.html |
| [11:19:30] | justinh: | ahhh sweet silence in the lab :) |
| [11:19:56] | kale: | hmm.. no log for backend /var/log/mythtv is empty |
| [11:20:52] | Dibblah: | justinh: They fired everyone else? |
| [11:20:56] | justinh: | frontend log is about as illuminating as I thought it'd be |
| [11:21:07] | kale: | justinh: backend: http://rafb.net/p/nYYkqO55.html |
| [11:21:15] | justinh: | Dibblah: no, but the iPod has stopped spewing out noise |
| [11:21:51] | justinh: | kale: lines 13 – 19 are interesting. you should read them |
| [11:22:03] | justinh: | oh wait |
| [11:22:03] | kale: | justinh: frontend log? |
| [11:22:28] | kale: | 2009-02–04 12:17:50.028 Preview Error: Previewer file '/mnt/mythtv/storage/1000_20090204121747.mpg' is not valid. |
| [11:22:33] | justinh: | looks like mysql isn't working |
| [11:23:16] | kale: | justinh: hmmm... i set it to answer on the machines IP, perhaps mythbackend wants localhost |
| [11:23:27] | justinh: | oh wait. it'd always help to only include the last mythbackend startup |
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| [11:25:41] | kale: | 2009-02–04 12:17:48.220 AutoExpire: CalcParams(): Max required Free Space: 3.0 G |
| [11:25:45] | kale: | B w/freq: 15 min |
| [11:25:55] | kale: | does it have to fill that cache before it plays? |
| [11:26:08] | Dibblah: | kale: Oh, I don't know. |
| [11:26:11] | Dibblah: | Perhaps you have forgotten to bind video sources to your card's inputs? |
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| [11:26:20] | Dibblah: | ... Straight from the log. |
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| [11:26:26] | kale: | Dibblah: it does show the channels name |
| [11:26:33] | Dibblah: | kale: Which installation guide are you following? |
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| [11:26:48] | kale: | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-10.html |
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| [11:27:16] | Dibblah: | Well, follow it. |
| [11:27:32] | Dibblah: | Don't skip any steps, even though you 'know you don't need to do that bit' |
| [11:29:24] | kale: | Dibblah: you are telling me that i have to install lirc? |
| [11:29:58] | Dibblah: | You can do, yes. If you have a remote. |
| [11:30:06] | Dibblah: | What's the capture card? |
| [11:30:11] | kale: | Dibblah: so its fine that i skipped a step |
| [11:30:49] | kale: | Dibblah: card is dvb-t flydvb trio |
| [11:31:19] | Dibblah: | So -v record,channel |
| [11:31:22] | Dibblah: | on mythbackend |
| [11:31:53] | Dibblah: | And did you run mythfilldatabase? |
| [11:32:40] | kale: | i did not run filldatabase, i suppose its only program information |
| [11:33:31] | kale: | start mythbackend with "mythbackend -v record,<channelname>" |
| [11:34:52] | Dibblah: | no. |
| [11:34:57] | Dibblah: | literally. |
| [11:35:03] | Dibblah: | And run mythfilldatabase. |
| [11:35:13] | Dibblah: | Yes, it's "only" program information. |
| [11:35:22] | Dibblah: | But Myth really does work better with it. |
| [11:35:32] | Dibblah: | So, don't skip important steps. |
| [11:36:10] | kale: | Dibblah: i it true that i do not need the channel information gathered by mythfilldatase to just watch tv and change channels? |
| [11:36:57] | Dibblah: | I am not completely sure that Myth works properly with no guide data. |
| [11:37:28] | kale: | Dibblah: ok, i'll run it, didn't think i had to use it |
| [11:37:45] | Dibblah: | And that'll be the problem with Myth setup. |
| [11:37:59] | Dibblah: | It _looks_ to the uninitiated that steps are 'optional'. |
| [11:38:59] | kale: | still no image though |
| [11:40:30] | kale: | it did import channel info though |
| [11:45:22] | kale: | i get a message telling me that i have no channel lock |
| [11:49:21] | Dibblah: | How did you scan for channels? |
| [11:49:36] | kale: | i used myth-setup |
| [11:50:14] | Dibblah: | There is a possibility that the provider in your region is not following DVB standards, which confuses Myth. |
| [11:50:30] | kale: | that is very likely |
| [11:50:38] | Dibblah: | So, the logs...? |
| [11:50:52] | kale: | frontend or backend? |
| [11:51:27] | kale: | backend: http://rafb.net/p/ld1Sdx49.html |
| [11:51:30] | Dibblah: | Backend. |
| [11:52:07] | kale: | take it from the bottom |
| [11:52:11] | Dibblah: | Something is very wrong in your configuration. |
| [11:52:27] | sid3windr: | myth works for livetv without guide data btw |
| [11:52:38] | kale: | i'm wondering about this: Preview Error: Previewer file '/mnt/mythtv/storage/1000_20090204124557.mpg' is not valid |
| [11:52:41] | Dibblah: | Make sure master server IP and backend IP are set to the same as the physical host IP. |
| [11:52:52] | Dibblah: | in mythtv-setup |
| [11:52:54] | kale: | Dibblah: they are |
| [11:53:22] | Dibblah: | Please, just pastebin a log of the last session. |
| [11:53:30] | Dibblah: | I'm not going to wade through it for you :) |
| [11:53:45] | Dibblah: | sid3windr: Thanks! |
| [11:54:08] | kale: | Dibblah: i know you do not read it all, but we should go from the bottom up anyways |
| [11:54:11] | Dibblah: | It can lead to inconsistent error messages, though. |
| [11:54:28] | kale: | why do you think the IP's are set incorrectly? |
| [11:54:32] | Dibblah: | kale: It's your system. I'm just trying to help, and don't want to waste my time. |
| [11:59:04] | kale: | i scanned for channels under "input connections" in mythtv-setup |
| [12:03:44] | kale: | ok, think i got something now |
| [12:05:11] | purserj: | yay finally got the plugin menu button working |
| [12:05:36] | kale: | it look like the video data is not transferred. the client is waiting for the prebuffer to fill up, and the server complains that it cannot connect to a socket 'RemoteFile::openSocket(control socket) Could not connect to server "" @ port -1' |
| [12:05:58] | kale: | to me it looks like i need to set an ip or a hostname somewhere, just do not know where |
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| [12:16:08] | andreax: | tzz |
| [12:16:21] | andreax: | ops sorry |
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| [12:44:18] | kale: | seems i have found the problem now. mythtv does not tune the card. i had lot of trouble finding the channels in the first place, they showed up in one scan of say 10, now it cannot find the channels again. So i suspect its the tuning that is the problem |
| [12:44:38] | kale: | i can play my dvb channels using mplayer, so the signal is fine |
| [12:45:05] | kale: | i also did run mythtv-setup with "taskset -c 0 mythtv-setup" |
| [12:45:24] | kale: | what else could i look for to make mythtv find my channels? |
| [12:46:06] | Dibblah: | kale: Sounds like your provider is not DVB compliant. |
| [12:46:33] | Dibblah: | You need to update your dvb_multiplex table with the correct frequency for each transponder. |
| [12:46:56] | Dibblah: | Currently, on providers like this, Myth gets confused and essentially shuffles the transponders around. |
| [12:47:19] | kale: | ahh |
| [12:47:47] | kale: | i do now that they use a lower quality here and will switch to "the real thing" in the future |
| [12:48:20] | kale: | Dibblah: i have a working channels.conf for mplayer, should it help to import that? |
| [12:48:54] | Dibblah: | Nope. |
| [12:49:24] | Dibblah: | Myth validates each channel against the broadcast information. Which is where it gets confused. |
| [12:49:43] | kale: | so i'll have to edit the data for each channel |
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| [12:58:51] | kale: | i increased signal and tuning timeout, now it works |
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| [13:06:30] | kslater: | does the new-to-me mytharchive plugin pull recordings across all backends in a system? Or is it local storage recordings only? |
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| [14:08:29] | joe2371: | Hi. I'm not finding an option to specify 2-pass vs. 1-pass transcoding. Is it implied by the HQ setting? |
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| [14:12:19] | joe2371: | Also, when I try to manually initiate transcoding on pre-recorded shows, I get a list of transcoding options (auto,high,med.,low) that all fail to work and which do not include transcoding profiles I have created. |
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| [14:30:44] | joe2371: | Oh, jeez. Wait, do I need to do the transcoder profile changes from the BE? Because I'm doing it on the FE. |
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| [14:55:28] | iamlindoro_: | No, transcoding profiles are set on the frontend. You also need to edit or use the existing profiles, as adding them will not (currently) work. You cannot do two-pass in myth, if you wish to do so you will need to set up a user job using ffmpeg/etc. |
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| [15:05:36] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/ . . . nspacing.png :) |
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| [15:05:41] | joe2371: | iamlindoro_: oh, ok. Thanks. That explains my observations perfectly. |
| [15:06:01] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: OOOOOOOOOOOOH! |
| [15:06:17] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: I *very* much like! |
| [15:06:30] | justinh: | http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/buttonlist.diff |
| [15:06:41] | justinh: | still a bit messy I think, but it works |
| [15:06:49] | iamlindoro_: | Nice, thanks! |
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| [15:06:58] | iamlindoro_: | Trying to thnk if I've got any spots I could apply that |
| [15:07:14] | iamlindoro_: | Hmmmm, I bet I do |
| [15:07:24] | justinh: | hahahaha I just spotted a function I never use |
| [15:07:40] | iamlindoro_: | I think we've proven the "MythUI allows pretty much any vision" point |
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| [15:08:00] | justinh: | *limitations DO still SOMETIMES apply |
| [15:08:52] | justinh: | <scrolltype>3DWHIZZTHRU</scrolltype> |
| [15:09:01] | justinh: | whoops :D |
| [15:09:41] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: it'll only work right with centre scrolling vertical lists btw |
| [15:09:53] | justinh: | I'm thinking about how to get around that limitation |
| [15:09:56] | iamlindoro_: | ah... heh, |
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| [15:19:29] | iamlindoro_: | Hm. I think I have a nest of birds living in the office drop ceiling somewhere |
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| [15:27:35] | kale: | must say there has been a lot of improvements since last time i tried mythtv (2004) |
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| [15:28:52] | justinh: | and to think people think the project is dead! pah |
| [15:28:53] | shadash: | kale: I'm with you |
| [15:29:06] | shadash: | just waiting patiently for the next releast |
| [15:29:26] | shadash: | hardware have finally caught up with software (kinda) |
| [15:29:45] | ** justinh sees the clock & darts off ** | |
| [15:29:48] | shadash: | with more solutions coming down the pipe |
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| [15:30:57] | kale: | can i install and run the mythbackend without installing X ? |
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| [15:38:01] | oobe: | just wondering if there is a cut off point for svn where they stop adding features and leave new stuff to be pending for next version and work only on bug fixes for the next release |
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| [15:43:31] | iamlindoro_: | Yes, there is, it generally precedes a release by a few weeks at least |
| [15:43:43] | oobe: | oh ok |
| [15:44:08] | oobe: | it just seems like a lot of stuff is being added right now so it looks exciting |
| [15:44:48] | oobe: | this current version didnt seem to have as many new changed added from its predecessor |
| [15:45:02] | iamlindoro_: | I think that's an accurate assessment, .22 will be a huge jump |
| [15:45:25] | iamlindoro_: | And there are at least a few more flashy features coming that will add to that |
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| [15:45:57] | oobe: | i had such bad ananlogue reception i ditched mythtv till i got a dvb |
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| [15:46:21] | oobe: | i kinda wish i had of been using it more when it was older |
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| [16:24:55] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro_: Mornin' ;-) – Submitted a new patch that fixes the issues paul found. ; -) |
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| [16:28:30] | kale: | i'm trying to view tv, from another system. mythfrontend works on the system where mythbackend resides, but it only partially works here |
| [16:29:02] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | kale: partially? |
| [16:29:14] | kale: | when i open a channel it playes for a few seconds and then stop. i get this in the mythbackend log: MythSocket(2aaab423a130:51): writeData: Error, zerocnt timeout |
| [16:30:21] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | kale: Wireless network? |
| [16:30:42] | kale: | J-e-f-f-A|work: yes, but it uses a third of its capacity |
| [16:31:21] | kale: | hold on, i'll putting a wire in |
| [16:31:37] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | kale: I don't think it's the 'capcity' , but the 'latency' that's the issue – if it works with a wired connection, then it's something to do with your wireless network. |
| [16:33:28] | kale: | that works |
| [16:35:53] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | kale: I tried wireless when I first started with Myth (many moons ago), and determined I'd just use wired connections, much more reliable. |
| [16:36:36] | kale: | thing is, i've watched tv over nfs for some time now, just wrote to a tempfile, and that works nicely |
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| [16:38:14] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | kale: Myth is streaming it. Streaming is more suseptible (sp?) to latency. How fast is your network? Do you have any 802.11b (11mbps) devices also? |
| [16:38:34] | kale: | its 54g |
| [16:38:58] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | kale: Do you have any 802.11b devices, like music players, etc? |
| [16:39:34] | kale: | now while its over wire it utilizes 600kbyte pr sec |
| [16:39:55] | kale: | J-e-f-f-A|work: none |
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| [16:40:26] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | kale: ... Because 802.11b devices will cause your wireless network to slow down to 11mbps like a 10/100 HUB would drop to 10mbps if you had a single 10mbps connecton to it... |
| [16:40:52] | kale: | J-e-f-f-A|work: i can transfer about 3.5 Mbyte pr. sec via ssh |
| [16:42:27] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | kale: Well, since a wired connection works fine, it's obviously something to do with the wireless connection. Probably latency – you'll have to do some googlin' or wait for someone else w/wireless to chime in... ;-) |
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| [16:55:29] | ** iamlindoro_ raises his eyebrows at the guy who thinks a Pentium M box is "the perfect myth frontend" ** | |
| [16:55:52] | iamlindoro_: | Just like my 386 is the ultimate Crysis box |
| [16:56:08] | ** stoth grins ** | |
| [17:02:44] | kale: | anyone here who made mythtv run over wireless network? |
| [17:04:04] | iamlindoro_: | It's been done, but it's susceptible to so many factors that it is strongly strongly discouraged |
| [17:04:35] | iamlindoro_: | and those factors are utterly out of your control, ie a microwave goes on next door, a car drives by, etc. etc. |
| [17:05:11] | iamlindoro_: | Some people who live out in the middle of nowhere with nothing else on the network manage to get by with it, and most other people pretty much get a load of fail |
| [17:05:14] | kale: | iamlindoro_: my network is fine, and i can live with those from time to time disturbances |
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| [17:05:28] | iamlindoro_: | kale: Apparently *not* if you're having problems |
| [17:05:35] | iamlindoro_: | there's no special trick to making myth work over wireless |
| [17:05:57] | iamlindoro_: | you either have the bandwidth and required latency or you don't... and if for any reason you don't, you see what you are seeing |
| [17:06:16] | kale: | so what i need is luck |
| [17:06:39] | iamlindoro_: | what you need is Cat5 |
| [17:07:03] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Better yet, Cat5e or Cat6 ;-) |
| [17:07:07] | kale: | or xbmc |
| [17:07:34] | kale: | but thats a whole other project |
| [17:07:46] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | kale: or Windows Media Center... |
| [17:07:54] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work hides ** | |
| [17:07:56] | kale: | guess i'll look into latency first |
| [17:10:03] | kale: | iwconfig eth1 txpower 6, heh that might be it |
| [17:10:23] | ** kale curses himself for saving power ** | |
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| [17:16:13] | jams: | heh seems myth is expiring oprah before live-tv, and not using the 2nd or 3rd local SG. |
| [17:17:11] | Dibblah: | Funky. "It sucks – But it's only $99!" |
| [17:17:31] | Dibblah: | (The $99 frontend discussion on the users ML) |
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| [17:19:28] | iamlindoro_: | jams: Rightly so ;) |
| [17:19:40] | iamlindoro_: | (The expiring oprah part) |
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| [17:20:45] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...yeah, because MCE can magically alter time or teleport you off this rock |
| [17:21:03] | sphery: | gbee: ffwd instead of skip/jump is usually due to a broken seektable... Perhaps you only have a partial seektable for that recording. optimize_mythdb.pl then http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Repairing_the_Seektable ? |
| [17:21:19] | JEDIDIAH__: | M$ is subject to the laws of physics just like the rest of us. |
| [17:22:03] | iamlindoro_: | Dibblah: Yeah, it's funny-- But I guess not surprising given the people who are always looking for "What's the lowest 'x' I can get away with for OMG PERFECT HD" |
| [17:22:24] | sphery: | jams: is the "local" SG referring to local filesystems (i.e. not NFS/CIFS)? |
| [17:22:37] | JEDIDIAH__: | an AppleTV does well enough for US OTA (HD) |
| [17:23:01] | sphery: | apple /and/ lowest cost--those don't mix, do they? |
| [17:23:19] | JEDIDIAH__: | you ever actually price low profile machines? |
| [17:23:36] | jams: | sphery- local harddrives |
| [17:23:53] | jams: | i don't do network FS for recording |
| [17:24:01] | sphery: | No, I have an invisible frontend, but it's about 100x larger than a generic low-profile machine... (I.e. put the frontend in a different room, drill a hole in the wall) |
| [17:24:11] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...of course anything bigger than a mini and Apple's lose their (price) edge. |
| [17:24:52] | sphery: | jams: permissions good (on all the dirs in the path as well as files)? drives are actually mounted, too? |
| [17:25:15] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...that's fine if the other side of that wall is not the outside or a bathroom. |
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| [17:26:06] | sphery: | jams: only reason I could see something that's not LiveTV expiring before LiveTV is because it can't get to the LiveTV recordings. There should be messages in the mbe log saying so if that's the case. |
| [17:26:12] | iamlindoro_: | "I would compare Atom to a 486 that has been increased in frequency to 1.8GHz using current transistor technology." |
| [17:26:14] | iamlindoro_: | Uhhhhhhhhhh |
| [17:27:02] | sphery: | JEDIDIAH__: yeah, but then again--with just a bit more effort--you could run cables through the walls. |
| [17:27:11] | jams: | sphery- yep permissions are good and the disks are mounted. Actually i run the BE as root so permissions shouldn't be a problem. |
| [17:27:38] | sphery: | and the Oprah rule isn't set to record to the LiveTV group? |
| [17:27:58] | jams: | nope |
| [17:28:13] | sphery: | jams: might want to run the mbe with -v important,general,file |
| [17:28:19] | jams: | its an older version of .21 might be some fixes i'm missing |
| [17:28:24] | sphery: | or -v important,general,file,extra |
| [17:29:05] | sphery: | I can't think of any fix that would have affected that. Try running with file logging to see what the expirer says |
| [17:31:30] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: did you see the post saying which chips support VC-1 that quoted some docs for uncontaminated video |
| [17:31:34] | jams: | only thing i see in the log is that it's expiring oprah doens't mention what SG it's using |
| [17:31:58] | jams: | Feb 3 19:03:57 chrome mythbackend: 2009-02–03 19:03:57.703 Expiring 1919 MBytes for 1012 @ Mon Feb 2 16:00:00 2009 => Oprah Winfrey |
| [17:32:00] | sphery: | jams: other question... Are all 3 filesystems full? |
| [17:32:18] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: No, didn't see |
| [17:32:32] | jams: | nope 90% 5% 10% |
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| [17:32:39] | jams: | guess which one oprah was on |
| [17:33:58] | sphery: | I'm guessing the 90% |
| [17:34:03] | sphery: | and that's the one it recorded to? |
| [17:34:09] | jams: | yes |
| [17:34:25] | jams: | actually most of the recordings go to the 90% |
| [17:34:36] | jams: | hence the 90% |
| [17:34:53] | sphery: | assuming 95% of the 5% drive is > 10% of the 90% drive (i.e. there's more /available/ space on some drive that's not 90% full), it should have chosen to record to that filesystem unless both other filesystems were already in use |
| [17:35:21] | sphery: | and assuming that all 3 filesystems are included in dirs in the group |
| [17:35:35] | jams: | the other two drives are 300GB and 400GB and the 90% is 250GB |
| [17:35:45] | jams: | so yeah it should have used the other two drives |
| [17:36:25] | jams: | i will figure it out, might just remove the 90% drive for now |
| [17:37:12] | Dibblah: | Interesting. It has LVDS out. |
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| [17:38:36] | sphery: | Is this the super Pentium M system? |
| [17:39:11] | iamlindoro_: | you mean the ZOMGULTIMATEFRONTEND? |
| [17:39:14] | iamlindoro_: | ;) |
| [17:39:41] | iamlindoro_: | I like how it's miraculous that a liquidator is selling used ancient stuff and that it's affordable :) |
| [17:40:03] | jams: | just flipped the order of the SG, now to wait and see what happends |
| [17:40:06] | jams: | happens |
| [17:41:08] | Dibblah: | Yeah. |
| [17:41:42] | Dibblah: | Not a deal that appeals to me. |
| [17:42:47] | [Peter]: | I wonder when the nividia ion will be available |
| [17:42:50] | [Peter]: | that looks sweet |
| [17:43:09] | iamlindoro_: | Summerish |
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| [17:44:07] | sphery: | Wow... Intel finally agreed to let people use Ion. |
| [17:44:33] | shadash: | they were getting scared |
| [17:44:54] | sphery: | (Granted, they never said you couldn't, but at one point they said they wouldn't sell the Atom without the Intel chipset, which made the Ion an expensive alternative.) |
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| [17:49:36] | sphery: | OK, guess Intel never /said/ that, but others said they couldn't buy without the chipset, so who knows. |
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| [17:57:00] | wagnerrp: | denver news... man robs 7–11 armed with... a klingon batleth |
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| [17:59:53] | joe2371: | Hi, sorry for such a question, but I'm still learning the locations of things in the GUIs. Where will I find the option to define user jobs 1–4? I thought I was looking in all the obvious places, but apparently not. |
| [18:00:59] | iamlindoro_: | mythtv-setup, Step 1, general |
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| [18:01:47] | joe2371: | Thanks. Will my changes only be visible to mythfrontend running on the same machine as the BE? |
| [18:02:29] | wagnerrp: | the frontend simply adds a job to the queue |
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| [18:02:39] | joe2371: | Ah, ok. |
| [18:02:42] | wagnerrp: | and it gets run by the next available backend allowed to run the job |
| [18:03:47] | joe2371: | Do configuration changes to one BE propagate to the others? Or would I need to reconfigure each BE to have the same settings, assuming that is desired. |
| [18:04:02] | joe2371: | ^? |
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| [18:04:25] | wagnerrp: | the job settings in mythtv-setup are only used on that particular backend |
| [18:04:49] | joe2371: | Ok. I guess thats important to allow for different hardware configurations. |
| [18:04:51] | iamlindoro_: | But the User jobs are global and can be run by all backends |
| [18:05:03] | joe2371: | Swell. Thats convenient. |
| [18:05:08] | iamlindoro_: | (presuming you set the checkbox to allow them to run on that backend) |
| [18:05:22] | wagnerrp: | yeah, user jobs are global, but job run allowances are particular to that machine |
| [18:05:43] | joe2371: | Will the user jobs need to be defined on the master BE to be global? |
| [18:06:03] | wagnerrp: | of course the pages in mythtv-setup are tagged 'Job Queue (Backend-Specific)' and 'Job Queue (Global)' |
| [18:06:16] | wagnerrp: | should be a good indicator of what is what |
| [18:06:17] | iamlindoro_: | No, you can define a user job from any backend |
| [18:06:30] | joe2371: | aha. |
| [18:07:41] | ** joe2371 starts wishing he had a "Run mythtv-setup on other machine" plugin. ** | |
| [18:08:14] | iamlindoro_: | ssh -X mythtv@somehost |
| [18:08:24] | joe2371: | yes, that's what I've been doing since by BE is headless. |
| [18:08:30] | wagnerrp: | vnc works well too |
| [18:08:52] | wagnerrp: | ive got all my mythboxes to automatically start up a vnc session on boot |
| [18:09:23] | sphery: | and ssh -Y mythtv@somehost (the -Y instead of -X) allows you to use the clipboard (i.e. for copy/pasting data, such as paths/filenames) |
| [18:10:05] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Yeah, didn't want to get into an argument with someone who "was a security expert" and abjected to it like last time, heh ;) |
| [18:10:09] | iamlindoro_: | objected |
| [18:10:17] | sphery: | been there |
| [18:11:04] | sphery: | but until someone provides a good argument as to why someone should worry that their Myth box is running a compromised app that's doing keystroke logging or whatever, I'm going to tell people to use -Y |
| [18:11:07] | wagnerrp: | if its your own internal network, you shouldnt have to worry about security |
| [18:11:18] | wagnerrp: | and if you do, you have bigger problems than port X forwarding |
| [18:11:46] | sphery: | And, if there /is/ a reason why -Y is required (i.e. because your Myth box has been compromised), you have /much/ bigger problems than -X can fix |
| [18:12:10] | sphery: | Besides, I seldom type my bank password into mythtv-setup |
| [18:12:13] | joe2371: | Well, I guess such a plugin could work. It might minimize the FE, open the (preconfigured) ssh X forwarding tunnel, run mythtv-setup, and then reverse the process. I believe mythtv-setup could be configured with a remote, no? |
| [18:12:18] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: We made all those arguments last time, was merely heading off any potential discussion-- at which I apparently failed ;) |
| [18:12:24] | sphery: | heh |
| [18:12:33] | wagnerrp: | mine is 1, 2, 3, ... err... forget that |
| [18:12:47] | iamlindoro_: | Well, that would be a script rather than a plugin |
| [18:12:51] | sphery: | wagnerrp: that's what I use on my briefcase... The one with the code. |
| [18:13:08] | wagnerrp: | if i had a briefcase with a code, thats what i would use |
| [18:13:09] | iamlindoro_: | and yes, you can configure mythtv-setup with a remote (although I don't recommend it) |
| [18:13:22] | joe2371: | Well, yes, but if it had a button for in in mythfrontend, then... |
| [18:13:37] | wagnerrp: | considering such a lock on a briefcase isnt really protecting anything anyway |
| [18:13:49] | iamlindoro_: | joe2371: a button for it in the frontend still wouldn't make it a plugin |
| [18:14:02] | Dibblah: | .... Or a good idea. |
| [18:14:13] | wagnerrp: | unless you have a bond-style briefcase and the wrong code releases knockout gas |
| [18:14:50] | iamlindoro_: | joe2371: Plus, since you need to bring the backend down to have mythtv-setup actually work properly, it would cause all sorts of unhappy times in the frontend |
| [18:15:24] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro_: well, you could add it as a menu option in mythwelcome |
| [18:15:42] | iamlindoro_: | Sounds like a lot of work to avoid two shell commands |
| [18:15:53] | wagnerrp: | of course it wouldnt work too well with remote backends |
| [18:15:53] | iamlindoro_: | especially given the infrequency of ever needing to be in mythtv-setup |
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| [18:16:07] | joe2371: | true enough, but perhaps mythbackend could be brought down after the user is done with mythtv-setup, but before the changes are applied. So the BE would only need to be reset momentarily. |
| [18:16:25] | sphery: | so, does the mythtv-setup plugin ssh to all frontend/backend machines and kill mythfrontend/mythbackend, too? (I.e. you shouldn't run mythtv-setup when Myth is running.) |
| [18:17:21] | laga: | sphery: stop. please. |
| [18:17:27] | sphery: | wagnerrp: guess I meant to say, "That's what I use on my luggage." Been too long since I saw the movie. |
| [18:17:44] | joe2371: | Uh, my assumption was that the FE would be minimized, perhaps. I dont think the FE complains instantly when the BE goes down, does it? |
| [18:17:47] | wagnerrp: | looks like i managed to get myth compiled on freebsd last night, just a qt3/qt4 compatibility issue |
| [18:18:28] | justinh: | wagnerrp: oh good, so now we know who to point BSD advocates to when they come in with their MUHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
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| [18:19:52] | wagnerrp: | justinh: i have no intention of getting the frontend, or capture cards, or anything like that running |
| [18:20:02] | wagnerrp: | its just my most powerful machine, and the one with all the storage space |
| [18:20:11] | justinh: | way to compromise a solid OS though ;) |
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| [18:25:20] | joe2371: | Hmm. I'm getting an endless stream of "cannot make invalid context current" errors while trying to run mythtv-setup over ssh. |
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| [18:25:29] | Dibblah: | wagnerrp: Now, you need to install postgres, then start complaining about how your patches for supporting it aren't getting applied. |
| [18:26:56] | wagnerrp: | Dibblah: to be honest, i did used to have postgres installed before running myth |
| [18:27:06] | joe2371: | Oh, I see. It's failing to draw the menu items. |
| [18:27:09] | wagnerrp: | of course not knowing any different between the two, i gave it up without a fight |
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| [18:51:10] | joe2371: | Transcode before/after commercial flagging? Is there any reason to care other than which job you want to have finish first? Or would transcoding first potentially change the speed with which the commercial flagging can be performed? |
| [18:52:22] | ** iamlindoro_ is a member of the "never transcode, ever" brigade ** | |
| [18:52:44] | iamlindoro_: | so, this on Slashdot: "If you steal from a grocery store, you deprive them of the groceries they paid for. Pirating is more like buying from a different grocery store, or growing the food in your garden. That way you deprive them of the sale, but they still have the groceries to sell to someone else." |
| [18:52:48] | iamlindoro_: | Are people really so obtuse? |
| [18:52:56] | iamlindoro_: | And it was modded *insightful* |
| [18:53:26] | iamlindoro_: | It's only like growing the food in your own garden if you *write the software yourself* |
| [18:53:31] | Dagmar: | That's becauae no one's screening for intelligence on Slashdot |
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| [18:54:06] | gbee: | Slashdot was your mistake |
| [18:54:17] | iamlindoro_: | sigh |
| [18:54:30] | sphery: | joe2371: when running mythtv-setup/mythfrontend over SSH or VNC, you should disable the OpenGL painter. I.e. mythtv-setup -O ThemePainter=qt (or, if the system isn't normally used as a frontend, just set the Theme Painter setting for that host to Qt in mythfrontend settings under Appearance). |
| [18:55:07] | joe2371: | sphery: ok. I found that things improved when I used -YC, though. |
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| [18:55:46] | sphery: | joe2371: and, after transcoding, the commercial flagging needs to be redone, so generally if transcoding, you should do commflagging after... The reason some do it first is because they want to watch the show as it records/just after recording, but before transcoding finishes |
| [18:56:11] | iamlindoro_: | MOAR CHEEP DISK |
| [18:56:13] | sphery: | Or they don't want to have their system doing a transcode for many hours, preventing commflagging of any show from proceeding |
| [18:56:31] | sphery: | Yep, don't transcode is the best solution. |
| [18:56:46] | sphery: | Especially with those nice new WD Green 2TB HDD's |
| [18:57:36] | iamlindoro_: | I'm so far from filling my existing disks, there will likely be 4 -6 TB drives before I'm ready |
| [18:57:45] | sphery: | Or the announced, but not available 'til Q3 Seagate Constellation HDD's (which are supposed to--according to Seagate--compete feature for feature and greenness-for-greenness with WD Green) |
| [18:57:52] | iamlindoro_: | If only bitrates followed the disk drive space curve! |
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| [18:58:31] | sphery: | You mean HDD bitrates? That would be cool. I still hate moving all recordings off a drive... |
| [18:59:43] | joe2371: | sphery: ah, ok. That's the sort of thing I was worried about. |
| [18:59:48] | iamlindoro_: | Heh, I mean recording bitrates |
| [19:00:40] | sphery: | Oh, yeah, we're pretty much stuck with that because they wouldn't modify ATSC after the fact... Oh, wait, they already did when they added H.264 to it? Well... |
| [19:01:14] | iamlindoro_: | yes, stuck |
| [19:01:22] | iamlindoro_: | was merely making an "it would be nice" |
| [19:01:58] | joe2371: | Well, it looks like I've been capturing MPEG2. I think that using 2-pass xvid MPEG4 or H.264 or something on shows that I don't intend to watch right away might make sense. Especially if the transcoding jobs are distributed among the FEs too. |
| [19:02:23] | iamlindoro_: | h.264 is an mpeg-4 |
| [19:02:36] | iamlindoro_: | MPEG-4 part 10, to be precise |
| [19:03:21] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: All that said, I'd be okay with 19 Mbit h.264 too ;) |
| [19:03:37] | sphery: | joe2371: with good 1TB HDD's at $99.99 and 1.5TB HDD's at $129.99, transcoding doesn't make much sense at all. |
| [19:03:43] | sphery: | IMHO ^^^ |
| [19:03:49] | iamlindoro_: | seconded! |
| [19:04:00] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: My processor definitely wouldn't... :) |
| [19:04:10] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: You'd get over it ;) |
| [19:04:28] | joe2371: | I suppose it depends somewhat on what you want to do with the content, and the amount of redundancy in your storage array. |
| [19:04:34] | sphery: | Yeah, I wouldn't mind upgrading... |
| [19:06:10] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...it also depends on the content. |
| [19:07:09] | iamlindoro_: | If the content is worth spending the time/effort/energy to transcode, it's worth keeping at full bitrate with drive prices the way they are |
| [19:07:11] | iamlindoro_: | (IMO) |
| [19:07:28] | sphery: | joe2371: basically, transcoding is going to affect quality (unless you do lossless transcoding from MPEG-2 to MPEG-2), and since storage is cheap, the space savings from switching formats isn't very useful. You'd probably be happy if you simply manually mark commercial breaks and do a lossless transcode to remove commercials (which would tend to be about a 30% savings on storage space) |
| [19:07:35] | Dagmar: | Only if you intend to keep them on the disk |
| [19:07:50] | JEDIDIAH__: | It doesn't take much effort or energy to transcode... it's pretty automated once something is ripped. |
| [19:08:07] | Dagmar: | Suuuuure |
| [19:08:17] | iamlindoro_: | energy as a renewable resource, not energy as in user intervention |
| [19:08:18] | sphery: | but because manually marking commercials is more effort than not, I feel that buying 30% more storage space is a better approach for me. :) |
| [19:08:28] | Dagmar: | Methinks one misses the point, judging by the word "ripped" |
| [19:08:45] | JEDIDIAH__: | recordings are generally problematic. |
| [19:08:52] | wagnerrp: | seems theres still some bugs |
| [19:08:59] | wagnerrp: | my HDHR fails to record properly |
| [19:09:21] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...although some of those represent a lot of wasted bandwidth. |
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| [19:09:48] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: on the -users list, they said that it's cheaper to transcode than buy storage at ~$0.08 to $0.10/GiB |
| [19:09:56] | JEDIDIAH__: | old reruns (SD) on digital channels seem to be particularly wasteful. |
| [19:10:06] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Harararaharharha |
| [19:10:18] | sphery: | JEDIDIAH__: keeping old reruns from digital channels seems to be particularly wasteful |
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| [19:11:20] | joe2371: | So does the anti-transcoding camp use ISO for their DVD rips too? |
| [19:11:30] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/353817#353817 (mine where I said it's costing more to transcode is right above) |
| [19:11:38] | iamlindoro_: | Nothing wasteful about recording SD via digital, assuming you don't mean SD stuff upsampled for HD only channels |
| [19:11:38] | jamiem: | hmm. |
| [19:12:00] | JEDIDIAH__: | Disney quickly cured me of my interest in keeping around exact disk images. |
| [19:12:03] | iamlindoro_: | but SD on a 480i/p native digital channel is fine, and no more wasteful than anything else |
| [19:12:20] | joe2371: | JEDIDIAH__: ads or something? |
| [19:12:23] | iamlindoro_: | joe2371: Well, I don't have any SD material on my mythbox any more, so no DVD rips, but yes, if I did, I would :) |
| [19:12:27] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: I was talking about the poor-quality upsampled stuff that's broadcast on an HDTV channel at full HDTV bitrates |
| [19:12:35] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: see above :) |
| [19:12:43] | jamiem: | on my laptop, all of a sudden when I try to set cutpoints through "Edit Recording" I don't see the blue line to set the points :( |
| [19:12:44] | JEDIDIAH__: | SD on a native digital channel will use more bandwidth than necessary and not show any improvement quality for it. |
| [19:12:50] | sphery: | yeah, that's pretty much what I thought |
| [19:12:56] | iamlindoro_: | Nonsense |
| [19:13:16] | wagnerrp: | JEDIDIAH__: usually my SD digital recordings are far smaller than my PVR caps |
| [19:13:22] | iamlindoro_: | A Digital channel isn't necessarily an HD channel-- a digital channel at SD resolution is perfectly appropriate, and not necessarily high bitrate at all |
| [19:13:24] | JEDIDIAH__: | compare OTA MPEG2 and DVD MPEG2 sometime. |
| [19:14:09] | iamlindoro_: | JEDIDIAH__: If you are referring to channels which are broadcasting in 1080i or 720p full time, sure, but that has nothing to do with SD via digital, as digital channels can be at *native SD resolution* |
| [19:14:17] | wagnerrp: | broadcast SD MPEG2 is usually 1–3mbps, DVD is 5–9mbps |
| [19:14:41] | sphery: | wagnerrp: exactly, so keeping broadcast SD content is wasteful |
| [19:14:59] | sphery: | I.e. you can get /much/ better quality from DVD or from HDTV channels. |
| [19:15:05] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Versus buying a DVD instead, agreed |
| [19:15:36] | joe2371: | Well, I think transoding has the benefit that one would be able to take a bunch of shows and movies with them in their notebook while traveling, without being too cramped for space. |
| [19:15:41] | sphery: | Then again, I don't get the whole idea of keeping/archiving content, anyway. Anything worth keeping is worth buying on DVD/BD. |
| [19:15:54] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: yes, but we've *seen* your signal, heh |
| [19:16:01] | iamlindoro_: | I wouldn't archive that either |
| [19:16:14] | sphery: | joe2371: a 500GB laptop HDD (2.5") is about $105 |
| [19:16:27] | wagnerrp: | who was it complaining about that 'invalid context current' thing? |
| [19:16:36] | sphery: | joe2371: I watch more TV on my 15.4" laptop screen while traveling than I watch on my HDTV at home. |
| [19:16:40] | sphery: | and I /never/ transcode. |
| [19:17:01] | joe2371: | sphery: and they all require a laptop that has SATA-II (or whatever you care to call it). |
| [19:17:15] | iamlindoro_: | I call it Dwayne |
| [19:17:54] | sphery: | joe2371: and playing back HDTV on a laptop that doesn't have SATA is likely to be an exercise in futility or a way to force an upgrade (after it fails from heat strain :) |
| [19:18:12] | joe2371: | I have a 320GB disk in my laptop (the largest SATA-150 I could get at the time), but much of the space has gone to other operating systems. |
| [19:18:28] | sphery: | so, if you're transcoding it for the purpose of getting lower-res/lower-bitrate versions that your laptop can keep up with, then transcoding is fine. |
| [19:18:30] | JEDIDIAH__: | in my area, broadcast SD is more in the 5–9 range with no noticeable improvement in quality. |
| [19:18:34] | sphery: | doing it for space, is a waste, though |
| [19:18:51] | wagnerrp: | joe2371: laptops with SATA150 ports will access SATA300 drives just fine |
| [19:18:54] | sphery: | joe2371: TTBOMK, any SATA drive should work with a SATA-150 controller |
| [19:19:10] | JEDIDIAH__: | not everything is on DVD yet. |
| [19:19:17] | sphery: | I use Seagate 1.5TB SATA300 drives with SATA150 controllers |
| [19:19:18] | wagnerrp: | the SATA spec is forwards/backwards compatible |
| [19:19:51] | joe2371: | I believe that sometimes depends on being able to soft-jumper the drive to allow it... which requires having an SATA300 controller at least briefly to do so. |
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| [19:21:01] | sphery: | joe2371: however, 350GB with an average space for HDTV of 6GiB/hr is approximately 50hrs of TV (taking 300GiB and leaving the other 25GiB for OS/apps/other data). |
| [19:21:15] | sphery: | so, I'd say that a 350GB disk is more than enough (I have a 250GB) |
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| [19:21:35] | wagnerrp: | not sure where you would get a 350GB disk though |
| [19:21:36] | eighthour: | i'm about to try mythtv for the first time....can i just slap additional ntfs drive in and it read the media....???.... |
| [19:21:36] | sphery: | and, with an external USB/eSATA HDD... |
| [19:22:01] | sphery: | wagnerrp: oops... I guess he said 320GB... |
| [19:22:32] | wagnerrp: | i need a laptop worth buying hard drives for... |
| [19:22:37] | sphery: | So, with the same 25GiB for other stuff, that's still 45.5hrs |
| [19:23:07] | JEDIDIAH__: | 40hrs is like being back in 1999 |
| [19:23:32] | wagnerrp: | when are you going to have the time to watch 40 hours of video without getting back home? |
| [19:23:55] | iamlindoro_: | Not to mention carrying 40 hrs of HDTV around in 99 was impossible |
| [19:24:05] | iamlindoro_: | let alone playing it |
| [19:24:18] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i was going to say my 2001 laptop cannot play HDTV |
| [19:24:26] | Dagmar: | Pfft. NOt so. I hve a backpack. |
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| [19:24:39] | Dagmar: | You'd be amazed how many DVDs you can get in it |
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| [19:25:01] | iamlindoro_: | Dagmar: Yeah? How was the HDTV situation on DVD in 1999? ;) |
| [19:25:03] | joe2371: | Well, I am probably using 150GB in my home directory alone. And Vista (which I only have because it came with the notebook) needs 20GB before you even add any applications. So space can get used up pretty quickly. |
| [19:25:09] | sphery: | yeah, on a 1 business week trip, watching 40hrs is an average of 8hrs per day... Take out 1/3 for commskipping, and you have 5 1/3hrs of actual content... |
| [19:25:25] | at0m: | in mythtv-setup, there's a volume option for recordings. i'd like to record without amplification/attenuation, at what level would it need to be set? cos some programs have 90% for "pass-through", and amplify at 100%, while in others 100% can be 6dB boost.. |
| [19:25:42] | wagnerrp: | joe2371: Vista most certainly does not need 20GB |
| [19:26:15] | sphery: | joe2371: well, feel free to transcode it. I think eventually you'll realize that buying a new HDD (even if it's an external one) is /much/ easier. |
| [19:26:38] | joe2371: | It may be possible to strip it down further, but I recall being surprised by that very number. |
| [19:26:40] | sphery: | at0m: wonderful question... |
| [19:27:03] | iamlindoro_: | "With the advent of UltraDMA hard drives with the capability to transfer data at up to 33.3 megabytes per second, computer users were introduced to an inexpensive alternative to SCSI (Small Computer System Interface). Not only is the UltraDMA interface fast, but hard drives that utilize it are cheaper and have previously unheard of capacities – upwards of 14.4 gigabytes. However, the need for speed lives on. " |
| [19:27:10] | iamlindoro_: | 1999, baby! |
| [19:27:15] | at0m: | sphery, it makes sense to record as it comes in, without changing the volume, right :) |
| [19:27:19] | sphery: | at0m: but it all comes down to the capture card drivers/capture card sound support/ALSA (depending on capture card type) |
| [19:27:23] | iamlindoro_: | Enjoy your two hours of television! |
| [19:27:40] | sphery: | meaning, I have no idea, but you'll probably have to find the right answer for your particular card |
| [19:27:43] | at0m: | sphery, i'm using 2 "hoppog" pvr's |
| [19:28:05] | iamlindoro_: | I believe we've decided it's hop-hog ;) |
| [19:28:41] | JEDIDIAH__: | transcoding is a matter of time. if you need to copy something "now" and it's not already compressed then transcoding makes no sense. Otherwise, it's not a big deal. |
| [19:28:43] | sphery: | hop-hog :) (They had a page on their website at one time that actually described that as the way to pronounce it) |
| [19:28:45] | at0m: | sphery, i notice an occasional hiss on some recordings with the hop-hogs, so i'd guess that's clipping on high freq's |
| [19:29:07] | ** iamlindoro_ visualizes bouncy swine ** | |
| [19:29:12] | joe2371: | That spelling would only be pronounced both phonetically and correctly if spoken by an Italian. |
| [19:29:28] | ** JEDIDIAH__ also has occasional problems iwth his hop-hog recordings (pvr-150) ** | |
| [19:30:08] | wagnerrp: | joe2371: what about a german? |
| [19:30:11] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...a sort of constant high pitched screech. |
| [19:30:12] | sphery: | http://www.hauppauge.com/html/faq.htm#HOPHOG |
| [19:30:30] | at0m: | JEDIDIAH__, what problems? the hiss on some syllables and other high-freq sound? |
| [19:30:51] | sphery: | wagnerrp: then again, it's a town in NY, so I'm sure the people their pronounce it with a very NY accent |
| [19:30:52] | JEDIDIAH__: | it's constant at0m, like someone overlaid a constant hiss over the recording. |
| [19:30:56] | at0m: | ew |
| [19:31:00] | sphery: | s/their/there/ |
| [19:31:11] | wagnerrp: | huh.. i had always though hauppauge was a german company |
| [19:31:15] | JEDIDIAH__: | it doesn't happen enough for me to get up in arms about it. |
| [19:31:45] | JEDIDIAH__: | most stuff I watch anymore is in mythvideo or heavily rotated on whatever TV channel I get it off of. |
| [19:31:50] | iamlindoro_: | German would be something like Howpowguh |
| [19:32:01] | sphery: | I think they have a large factory or headquarters type building in Germany, too |
| [19:32:05] | JEDIDIAH__: | Germans don't spell like that. |
| [19:32:10] | iamlindoro_: | au as in haus, auge as in ow-guh (auge, the word for eye) |
| [19:32:20] | JEDIDIAH__: | yeah... I guess... |
| [19:32:28] | at0m: | JEDIDIAH__, for me it happens on certain channels alone, so i'd guess they transmit "louder"... and it's no showstopper, just noticeable |
| [19:32:28] | iamlindoro_: | JEDIDIAH__: It's not a spelling, it's a phoneticization of the pronunciation |
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| [19:32:37] | joe2371: | Hop-hog is a game like leap-frog. There is a demonstration of how to play in the movie, "Deliverance". |
| [19:32:43] | wagnerrp: | well if it were closer to new york, they would be hap-pag |
| [19:32:59] | at0m: | in short, HP! |
| [19:33:00] | JEDIDIAH__: | isn't being on long island close enough? |
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| [19:33:13] | wagnerrp: | JEDIDIAH__: apparently not |
| [19:33:42] | at0m: | JEDIDIAH__, does it occur on all channels? |
| [19:33:47] | ** JEDIDIAH__ went bonkers in yonkers ** | |
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| [19:34:34] | JEDIDIAH__: | my hop-hog sound problem doesn't seem to be channel specific. I figure it's a condition occuring in the hardware at particular times. |
| [19:34:51] | sphery: | at0m: IIRC, on my PVR-x50's, when I used 100%, I got clipping. At 90%, I didn't notice clipping (which doesn't mean it was gone--just that I wasn't that picky because it was NTSC, and all). |
| [19:34:51] | JEDIDIAH__: | system load or mebbe signal interference. |
| [19:35:12] | sphery: | at0m: though I never did any research/looked at the code to determine how the volume control affected recording |
| [19:36:12] | at0m: | sphery, cheers, i'm at 95%, and have the hiss (slight clipping i'd guess, being audio savant) on 2–3 channels sometimes |
| [19:36:14] | jamiem: | has anyone else experienced the lack of 'cut bar' when doing Edit Recording? |
| [19:36:25] | at0m: | sphery, will reduce to 90% |
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| [19:37:56] | outlier: | I'm building a backend I'm hoping will handle multiple HD tuners & front-ends. Does it matter if I set up the recording space as multiple partitions on one spindle, or spread across all the spindles, where it will be sharing with video archive & OS partitions? |
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| [19:39:11] | JEDIDIAH__: | separate mysql from your other myth stuff if you can. |
| [19:39:31] | outlier: | meaning put it on a different partition, or a different spindle? |
| [19:39:38] | JEDIDIAH__: | different physical device. |
| [19:39:50] | outlier: | Got it. |
| [19:40:03] | JEDIDIAH__: | different partition doesn't make any difference in terms of performance. |
| [19:40:12] | wagnerrp: | not exactly true |
| [19:40:24] | wagnerrp: | different partitions will prevent fragmentation |
| [19:40:28] | outlier: | I got the impression it causes fragmentation if you don't have enough separate recording areas. |
| [19:40:33] | wagnerrp: | making it easier to read the recordings back |
| [19:40:57] | wagnerrp: | but it will make no difference for the actual process of recording |
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| [19:41:32] | JEDIDIAH__: | I was thinking more in terms of when mythtv decides to reschedule itself. compared to that, I don't think fragmentation is that big of a deal. |
| [19:41:51] | justinh: | pfft. $99 frontend |
| [19:42:51] | outlier: | I just hate to take a whole disk for just / |
| [19:42:55] | justinh: | hmmm. cleanin up the diff, cleanin up the diff |
| [19:43:23] | JEDIDIAH__: | put recordings on a disk of their own and put everything else on the other disk. |
| [19:43:55] | outlier: | The box has 8 disks, so 1 for recordings, 7 for the OS & archive ? |
| [19:43:56] | jamiem: | woo. Fixed it. |
| [19:45:27] | JEDIDIAH__: | ....just so myth isn't recording to the same disk mysql is on. |
| [19:45:51] | outlier: | Playback from the mysql disk is OK though, right? |
| [19:46:20] | JEDIDIAH__: | probably. |
| [19:46:40] | JEDIDIAH__: | I never had any trouble with mythmusic and mythvideo sharing a disk (but not partition) with mysql. |
| [19:46:50] | JEDIDIAH__: | although I tune the snot out of mysql too. |
| [19:47:19] | joe2371: | I have a couple of 320s and a couple of 160s that are all about to become available for the BE. I may mirror the former and stripe the latter to provide for various needs. |
| [19:47:41] | justinh: | bah. wonder what happened to the tabbed view for multiple files in geany |
| [19:47:53] | wagnerrp: | joe2371: better to mirror the latter, and use it for OS and mysql only |
| [19:48:00] | wagnerrp: | then do whatever you want with the 320s |
| [19:48:03] | outlier: | Final question, and I'll quit bugging you – for that recording disk, am I better off splitting it into multiple recording partitions, or leaving it as one big space? |
| [19:48:17] | wagnerrp: | outlier: just do one big space |
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| [19:48:40] | JEDIDIAH__: | one big space is more convenient for other machines. |
| [19:48:42] | joe2371: | wagnerrp: I'm not sure that the OS needs raiding of any kind since it is completely and easily replaceable. |
| [19:48:44] | at0m: | for one partition, recording 2 streams and playing back one audio is euhm peanuts. try sequencing multi-channel audio eh |
| [19:48:48] | JEDIDIAH__: | I have 3 or 4 disks in an LVM myself. |
| [19:49:06] | wagnerrp: | rather, one big space (per disk) |
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| [19:49:21] | JEDIDIAH__: | you can easily stream 2 HD broadcasts across 100BaseT... thus the HD Homerun. |
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| [19:49:46] | justinh: | ahh there it is |
| [19:49:47] | unimaginative: | JEDIDIAH__: yeah, the HD Homerun doesn't even COME with a gigabit NIC. |
| [19:50:13] | flodin: | hi... i've got a mythtv machine working fine but now that I'm setting up a second frontend, I get "GetEntryAt(-1) failed." when watching live tv |
| [19:50:17] | joe2371: | I know. I'll use OpenSolaris and just format the lot with ZFS. |
| [19:50:22] | JEDIDIAH__: | that might be a nice addition for version 3 (of the HDHR) |
| [19:50:25] | flodin: | i suspect that this is because the second frontend does not have a start channel set |
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| [19:50:36] | flodin: | since it's just a front end i don't have mythtv-setup |
| [19:50:46] | flodin: | how can i change the start channel? |
| [19:51:02] | justinh: | no, start channels are per 'video source' |
| [19:51:10] | wagnerrp: | if it has myth installed, you have mythtv-setup |
| [19:51:25] | wagnerrp: | there is no such thing as a box with only the frontend installed |
| [19:52:07] | flodin: | well how does mythfrontend select which channel to start with when i press "watch tv"? |
| [19:52:20] | wagnerrp: | not unless (a) youre using an old ass version, or (b) you custom built your myth install and already know what youre doing and how to fix the problem |
| [19:52:31] | justinh: | the last channel you were watching :) |
| [19:52:41] | flodin: | justinh: and where is that stored? |
| [19:52:44] | justinh: | or the start channel which was defined in mythtv-setup |
| [19:52:48] | justinh: | in the database |
| [19:52:51] | justinh: | sheesh |
| [19:52:53] | wagnerrp: | where everything else is stored |
| [19:53:00] | flodin: | which table, which column? |
| [19:53:12] | iamlindoro_: | this will end in tears |
| [19:53:13] | ** unimaginative hides ** | |
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| [19:53:16] | wagnerrp: | the one you change in mythtv-setup |
| [19:53:20] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...scribbled on a scrap of paper, in a crystal medallion around the neck of an elf |
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| [19:53:31] | wagnerrp: | ooh, ill have to remember that one |
| [19:53:50] | wagnerrp: | parchment would have been better |
| [19:53:57] | flodin: | sorry, i thought this was the support channel. I must have taken a wrong turn somewhere |
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| [19:54:13] | wagnerrp: | flodin: we are supporting you, were telling you to go change it in mythtv-setup |
| [19:54:14] | justinh: | nobody here advocates manually hacking the database |
| [19:54:22] | justinh: | especially not new users |
| [19:54:22] | ** JEDIDIAH__ hides ** | |
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| [19:54:27] | joe2371: | The user support channel. Where you get support from users. |
| [19:54:28] | iamlindoro_: | Sometimes we have to save people from themselves |
| [19:55:01] | iamlindoro_: | If you're dissatisfied with the service, I can page my manager and we'll be happy to offer a full refund |
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| [19:55:31] | fruit-fly: | I want postgres instead of mysql |
| [19:55:37] | justinh: | wonder where that scrap of paper I made notes on is |
| [19:55:37] | iamlindoro_: | I want a pony! |
| [19:55:38] | kormoc: | I want a pony |
| [19:55:41] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [19:55:41] | JEDIDIAH__: | I want a pony |
| [19:55:44] | iamlindoro_: | yayyyyyyy pony jokes |
| [19:55:52] | JEDIDIAH__: | naaaay! |
| [19:55:53] | flodin: | alright, i'll try installing the backend also |
| [19:55:58] | joe2371: | OMGponies! |
| [19:56:05] | unimaginative: | pwnies? |
| [19:56:20] | iamlindoro_: | flodin: The point everyone keeps making to you is that you do NOT need to set starting channel if you already have a working mythbox |
| [19:56:31] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [19:56:35] | iamlindoro_: | flodin: The starting channel is currently set *globally* to the last channel you watched on your working frontend |
| [19:56:36] | kormoc: | try installing the backend? |
| [19:56:44] | kormoc: | you mean you don't have a backend? |
| [19:56:59] | kormoc: | cause... erm... things tend not to work without that peice |
| [19:57:06] | kormoc: | given it's not optional |
| [19:57:10] | iamlindoro_: | kormoc: He thinks he needs to set the starting channel on a per-machine basis because his new frontend won't do live tv |
| [19:57:27] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [19:57:27] | pheld: | is it possible to make mythfrontend prefer MP2 over AC3, alternatively play AC3 via analog outputs? |
| [19:57:34] | iamlindoro_: | as a followup, the frontend log segment you quoted is more or less useless, live TV is a recording, you should be reading the backend log |
| [19:57:49] | flodin: | iamlindoro_: okay, so that means I am getting "GetEntryAt(-1) failed." for another reason |
| [19:57:56] | unimaginative: | pheld: not sure about the former, but the latter can be accomplished via some ALSA hacking. |
| [19:58:03] | iamlindoro_: | flodin: Again, that error message is generic and doesn't mean anything |
| [19:58:05] | iamlindoro_: | read your backend logs |
| [19:58:09] | flodin: | kormoc: i have a backend on another machine |
| [19:58:23] | justinh: | ooo do we have a new user who knows which parts of the logs are useful to us & which aren't? |
| [19:58:48] | justinh: | just pop the whole of the backend log into a pastebin |
| [19:58:54] | justinh: | & save all this messing about |
| [19:59:24] | ** iamlindoro_ watches the puppy webcam for stress relief ** | |
| [19:59:25] | pheld: | unimaginative: you mean redirect SPDIF to some sort of audio-player? what happens to AV sync then? |
| [20:00:38] | flodin: | here's all i get in /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log: http://rafb.net/p/6hpOv958.html |
| [20:00:55] | unimaginative: | pheld: I send PCM audio out to my surround sound, and AV sync is fine. |
| [20:02:47] | pheld: | unimaginative: then you're using the redirect-function configured within the frontend, and don't need to syncronise an external player app |
| [20:03:10] | unimaginative: | pheld: exactly. external player apps aren't supported anyway. |
| [20:03:18] | iamlindoro_: | flodin: Where are you located? |
| [20:03:28] | flodin: | sweden |
| [20:03:33] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...there is a webcam for the worlds oldest lightbulb. |
| [20:03:47] | unimaginative: | JEDIDIAH__: I saw that, it's in a fire station somewhere, isnt' it? |
| [20:03:55] | JEDIDIAH__: | yup |
| [20:04:09] | flodin: | here's with a clean log and starting the backend, then starting the front end and choosing live tv |
| [20:04:09] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: another TLD for the list? ;) |
| [20:04:12] | wagnerrp: | flodin: that 'first channel' setting is global, you set it one place, you set it anywhere. also, you cannot unintentionally install the frontend without installing the backend |
| [20:04:13] | flodin: | http://rafb.net/p/zjXgYV11.html |
| [20:04:24] | flodin: | wagnerrp: you can on ubuntu |
| [20:04:29] | wagnerrp: | if you install from a package, or you install from source, it will install the backend |
| [20:04:30] | iamlindoro_: | 2009-02–04 21:02:11.786 MediaServer:: Loopback address specified – 127.0.0.1. Disabling UPnP |
| [20:04:32] | iamlindoro_: | There you go |
| [20:04:38] | iamlindoro_: | Your backend is set to 127.0.0.1 |
| [20:04:46] | iamlindoro_: | works well, no? |
| [20:05:08] | wagnerrp: | flodin: modern ubuntu? because that fe/be only option was removed from the source in 0.21 i believe, maybe 0.20.2 |
| [20:05:23] | flodin: | wagnerrp: 8.10 |
| [20:05:37] | wagnerrp: | you have to go in and modify the configure script to get it back |
| [20:05:37] | justinh: | the message about a frontend not being able to connect to the backend must be hard to miss :-\ |
| [20:05:41] | iamlindoro_: | go to your backend, bring down mythbackend, run mythtv-setup, and set the backend server address to a real IP. Then bring the backend back up and voila |
| [20:05:42] | unimaginative: | wagnerrp: in his defense, my ubuntu laptop has the frontend installed seperatly. |
| [20:06:03] | unimaginative: | unimaginative: and it's running 0.21 |
| [20:06:06] | JEDIDIAH__: | once there are binaries called "backend" and "frontend" any packager can do all sorts of weirdness. |
| [20:06:15] | pheld: | unimaginative: If I catch the digital output in ALSA I have to send it to an external player that supports AC3. I can't see any way to handle that redirection and conversion within myth. Or am I missing something? |
| [20:06:46] | wagnerrp: | its not like theres any point, you save a few MB by not keeping the backend executables |
| [20:08:00] | unimaginative: | pheld: myth uses ALSA for audio playback. once the stream's in ALSA's hands you can do anything with it. |
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| [20:08:07] | JEDIDIAH__: | a few MB here and a few MB there and before you know it i you're like Vista... '-p |
| [20:09:10] | unimaginative: | Has anyone gotten their hands on a Samsung 'Series 8' LCD? I wonder what sort of crazy info I can coax out of the TV. |
| [20:09:33] | iamlindoro_: | crazy info like "The CIA conspired to kill Kennedy?" |
| [20:09:38] | unimaginative: | apparently the TV's software runs *nix, but that doesn't mean much. |
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| [20:10:07] | JEDIDIAH__: | "it's a living room TV and a bittorrent server" |
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| [20:10:29] | JEDIDIAH__: | "what evil things are your TV up to while you're not watching" |
| [20:10:44] | unimaginative: | iamlindoro_: in specific, I want the TV to tell me what mode it's currently in, eg – 'ANT A', 'INPUT 1', etc. |
| [20:11:12] | iamlindoro_: | unimaginative: What does polling for that data get you that discrete commands to set one of the above modes doesn't? |
| [20:11:18] | flodin: | iamlindoro_: that works, thanks :) |
| [20:11:20] | JEDIDIAH__: | they need a standard language (like an AT command set) for that sort of thing already. |
| [20:11:28] | iamlindoro_: | flodin: np |
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| [20:12:09] | unimaginative: | iamlindoro_: it keeps me from having to control my TV blind. |
| [20:12:39] | _Speedy2k: | Hi everyone, i don't know if there is someone here that can point me in the good direction to install MythTV on my CW3000HD ? |
| [20:13:00] | iamlindoro_: | unimaginative: Erm... I don't think you understand me-- If you want to watch something on Ant 1, why do you need to know the starting input, rather than just issuing a "Switch to Ant 1" command before getting started? |
| [20:13:50] | unimaginative: | iamlindoro_: does your TV have a single button that will switch from whatever input to 'Ant 1' on a single keypress? |
| [20:13:56] | iamlindoro_: | yes |
| [20:14:21] | iamlindoro_: | many TVs have discrete commands for each input, even if the remote just has a big input toggle |
| [20:14:29] | unimaginative: | iamlindoro_: Mine doesnt. (at least I havent found it yet) |
| [20:14:31] | iamlindoro_: | likewise with power on and of |
| [20:14:34] | iamlindoro_: | off |
| [20:14:43] | unimaginative: | iamlindoro_: how would you find out those discrete commands? |
| [20:15:09] | iamlindoro_: | Start by checking the TV manual, then hunt through one of the many online sources for same or similar model IR commands |
| [20:16:32] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.remotecentral.com/files/use-ir.htm |
| [20:18:18] | unimaginative: | iamlindoro_: just a second, work is calling. |
| [20:18:34] | flodin: | so... now i have two machines watching the same mux. And because of that, it seems i can't switch channel to another mux on either of the machines. Can I somehow allow a client to override the other? |
| [20:19:18] | iamlindoro_: | do you only have a single tuner? |
| [20:19:24] | flodin: | yes |
| [20:19:30] | iamlindoro_: | then nope, that's the best you can do |
| [20:19:36] | flodin: | but there are 3–4 channels on each frequency |
| [20:19:48] | iamlindoro_: | yes, so you will be locked into the mux of the first to start liveTV |
| [20:19:56] | flodin: | ok |
| [20:20:30] | flodin: | one is the TV, the other is just my pc for some idle watching |
| [20:20:35] | iamlindoro_: | The answer is more tuners or, as we more frequently suggest around here, learning not to use liveTV (which is horrible and useless) |
| [20:21:09] | flodin: | so i didn't want to hinder whoever sits downstairs in the couch |
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| [20:21:58] | justinh: | MOARTUNNERZ! |
| [20:23:14] | flodin: | i don't mind getting another tuner, what makes me drag my feet is the prospect of connecting two antennaes or splitting the existing cable :) |
| [20:23:50] | iamlindoro_: | Since both would go in your backend, it'd be a splitter and two six inch pieces of coax |
| [20:23:59] | iamlindoro_: | maybe 5 Euro worth of stuff |
| [20:24:08] | ** justinh has one aerial feeding a 4-way amp/splitter going into 3 tuners ** | |
| [20:24:13] | iamlindoro_: | not like you have to run it to your other mythbox or something |
| [20:25:24] | fruit-fly: | which digital tuner would any of you reccomend for cable? |
| [20:25:26] | fruit-fly: | thanks |
| [20:25:56] | wagnerrp: | fruit-fly: im happy with my 1250 and HDHR |
| [20:26:13] | wagnerrp: | the PcHDTV tuners seem to work well, if expensive |
| [20:27:15] | fruit-fly: | thanks, I'v got pinnacle i800 a the moment, I'd like to add another one. |
| [20:27:32] | fruit-fly: | for each additional front end |
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| [20:27:43] | iamlindoro_: | You don't add tuners to frontends |
| [20:27:51] | fruit-fly: | I need a extra tuner? |
| [20:27:55] | sphery: | So, assuming that a cable co is transmitting analog channels (which necessarily--per spec--take 6MHz of bandwidth) to the cable customer, why would the STB's removing 25% of the frames "gain bandwidth for additoinal digital channels"? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/369263#369263 |
| [20:27:58] | fruit-fly: | ah |
| [20:28:08] | iamlindoro_: | Tuners live in backends, not frontends. |
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| [20:28:59] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: That thread is maddening, and he's the type to shriek at anyone who contradicts him, so I'm happier just leaving him wrong |
| [20:29:10] | sphery: | though you could run mythbackend on a machine that was previously only running mythfrontend (i.e. make a remote backend) |
| [20:29:40] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: What thread is that ? |
| [20:30:04] | wagnerrp: | GreyFoxx: the current firewire 'readme' on -fixes |
| [20:30:06] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: the one sphery linked above |
| [20:30:16] | sphery: | I just don't get why he thinks changing the fps would save the cable co bandwidth... I mean, hasn't he ever heard of us-cable/us-cable-hrc/us-cable-irc? |
| [20:30:19] | GreyFoxx: | ahhh |
| [20:30:43] | sphery: | You can't fix 6MHz of bandwidth into less than 6MHz of bandwidth... |
| [20:31:06] | sphery: | You can switch to digital, where you can compress and including subchannels within that 6MHz, but since analog doesn't support subchannels... |
| [20:31:18] | wagnerrp: | would a 1.8 PentiumM handle ATSC? |
| [20:31:22] | fruit-fly: | if 100mb can handle two HD streams the HomeRun, theoretically, can handle 9 HD stream simultaneusly. Right? |
| [20:31:33] | sphery: | Though you all know this... As you said, I don't want to contradict him. Since I'm not a right-thinking individual, he wouldn't even listen to me. |
| [20:31:34] | iamlindoro_: | wagnerrp: I would guess it could manage it |
| [20:32:08] | iamlindoro_: | fruit-fly: Erm..............no |
| [20:32:10] | GreyFoxx: | Analog firewire?!?!? No such thing |
| [20:32:31] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: for a more, er, interesting post, see his 2nd paragraph of his 2nd post in that thread ( http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/369449#369449 ) |
| [20:32:35] | GreyFoxx: | Your Settop box does NOT have a mpeg2 ENCODER to convert analog channels into a mpeg2 stream |
| [20:32:43] | iamlindoro_: | fruit-fly: The HDHomerun is a dual tuner, meaning two channels can be tuned, max, and it only has 100 Mbit ethernet (which is adequate for two QAM channels) |
| [20:33:04] | iamlindoro_: | I want to know who he thinks yelled at him so badly :) |
| [20:33:07] | wagnerrp: | two QAM channels will be 78mbps |
| [20:33:09] | iamlindoro_: | so I can buy that person a beer |
| [20:33:28] | wagnerrp: | so the most you will ever see over a firewire STB is some 39mbps |
| [20:33:36] | wagnerrp: | and thats only if you can record a full multiplex |
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| [20:33:46] | iamlindoro_: | Which you can't |
| [20:33:47] | wagnerrp: | i believe you can only record a single channel, so closer to 16mbps |
| [20:33:49] | iamlindoro_: | so 19 |
| [20:33:57] | iamlindoro_: | yep, exactly right |
| [20:34:18] | fruit-fly: | iamlindoro_: ah, that's why the price! should've known that erlier that has two tuners I would've get it |
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| [20:34:33] | eighthour: | is winmyth or the mythtv player better....???.... |
| [20:34:45] | iamlindoro_: | better than being stabbed repeatedly with a machete? |
| [20:34:46] | iamlindoro_: | Yes |
| [20:34:50] | sphery: | mythfrontend on GNU/Linux is better |
| [20:34:52] | iamlindoro_: | Better than a real myth frontend? No |
| [20:35:00] | fruit-fly: | lmao |
| [20:35:04] | eighthour: | i still have one windows computer....just wondered.... |
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| [20:35:25] | sphery: | fruit-fly: the best for Windows computers is a Samba share on the backend and some media player (like Media Player Classic) on Windows |
| [20:35:45] | eighthour: | ok....thanks.... |
| [20:35:48] | fruit-fly: | eighthour: STILL??!! nowadays ppl are switching to ubuntu/apple in droves |
| [20:35:54] | iamlindoro_: | you should not expect to be able to run mythtv on windows in any stable, operational fashion |
| [20:36:01] | wagnerrp: | eighthour: both of those are abandonware |
| [20:36:27] | wagnerrp: | fruit-fly: im still perfectly happy with my windows desktop |
| [20:36:42] | fruit-fly: | aah nothing better than some m$$ bashing in the morning |
| [20:37:02] | iamlindoro_: | We don't care is people use MS here |
| [20:37:06] | fruit-fly: | eighthour: that's beyond my comprehension, sorry |
| [20:37:10] | iamlindoro_: | very few evangelists in the channel |
| [20:37:18] | iamlindoro_: | We barely care if people use myth |
| [20:37:19] | eighthour: | fruit-fly, i do a lot of computer work on the side and virtual machines don't work well for some hardware.... |
| [20:37:29] | iamlindoro_: | (and for some people we'd prefer they use anything else) |
| [20:37:39] | justinh: | lol I was about to say that |
| [20:37:40] | JEDIDIAH__: | self-flaggellation is a personal matter |
| [20:37:40] | fruit-fly: | I stop being an evangel some time age. |
| [20:37:40] | eighthour: | i have converted a lot of people to linux though.... |
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| [20:38:02] | wagnerrp: | i dont dare convert people to linux |
| [20:38:05] | fruit-fly: | *ago |
| [20:38:21] | wagnerrp: | i dont trust them to figure things out on their own |
| [20:38:31] | unimaginative: | iamlindoro_: you are a godsend. Still havent' found the available codes for my TV, but I belive I'm on the right track now. Thanks. |
| [20:38:34] | eighthour: | friends and family screw up ubuntu less than windows and it decreases the amount of free work i have to do.... |
| [20:38:34] | fruit-fly: | wagnerrp: LMAO, true |
| [20:38:38] | wagnerrp: | and if i convert them, im on the hook to teach them repeatedly, because they never learn |
| [20:38:40] | iamlindoro_: | unimaginative: np, good luck! |
| [20:39:05] | fruit-fly: | the only ppl worth teachingg are kids. grown ups are on their own. |
| [20:39:26] | mchou: | if you really want to minimize support, tell them to use macs |
| [20:39:27] | ** JEDIDIAH__ is already on the hook for doing people's windows stuff for them. ** | |
| [20:39:38] | eighthour: | my kids first words were windows sucks.... |
| [20:39:43] | ** JEDIDIAH__ tried that once, the Apple store scared the mark away. ** | |
| [20:39:47] | wagnerrp: | yes, because there is no support for a Mac |
| [20:39:55] | wagnerrp: | when your Mac breaks, you toss it and buy a new one |
| [20:39:58] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: Do we care if people use Myth? After all, look at the quality of help we got from that one non-user who "fixed" the slow channel changes before ever installing/trying Myth? |
| [20:40:04] | unimaginative: | iamlindoro_: I have the manual for my TV in front of me, but I doubt the those discrete codes are in there. Other than the internet, is there any other ways to find the available codes? mabye pull them out of the remote perhaps? |
| [20:40:18] | iamlindoro_: | unimaginative: None that I am aware of |
| [20:40:29] | justinh: | unimaginative: discrete codes are often not even sent out by remotes |
| [20:40:34] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Yes, very helpful |
| [20:40:47] | justinh: | lol @ the lameness of my coding |
| [20:40:48] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Don't recall seeing him after that, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| [20:40:59] | unimaginative: | I wonder if samsung's tech support would be of any assistance. |
| [20:41:02] | sphery: | yeah, I guess he just forgot to post the patches |
| [20:41:05] | unimaginative: | the 'helpless desk' |
| [20:41:06] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: Hoooooooo buddy, don't you worry, Anduin has made a full time JOB of fixing my patches |
| [20:41:22] | eighthour: | why do you guys prefer myth over linuxmce....???....i was reading about both and will probably try both.... |
| [20:41:40] | wagnerrp: | unimaginative: ive actually found my harmony profile has a number of discrete codes my official samsung remote doesnt |
| [20:41:43] | sphery: | unimaginative: Samsung DLP? If so the serial codes don't include a discrete power code |
| [20:41:47] | justinh: | linuxmce is older than mythtv, and uses a way old version of mythtv |
| [20:41:51] | iamlindoro_: | LinuxMCE runs an ancient version of myth's backend and looks like petrified poop |
| [20:41:59] | justinh: | and it's a whole shedload of other crap hardly anybody wants |
| [20:42:08] | unimaginative: | sphery: LCD, LN46A850 |
| [20:42:21] | sphery: | don't know for sure about those, then, but I'd guess it's similar |
| [20:42:31] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: And if I can get patches into myth, *anyone* can ;) |
| [20:42:33] | justinh: | I tried LMCE once, and it was no walk in the park |
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| [20:43:09] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...a mythtv user saying something else is "no walk in the park". Now that's saying someting... '-) |
| [20:43:15] | sphery: | unimaginative: My recommendation is to find the Pronto codes (Pronto users have great DB's of remote codes, including undocumented codes), then use a program to convert it to a LIRC code. (There are some, but I think they're all Windows programs.) |
| [20:43:33] | pheld: | unimaginative: looks like it was a particular HD-channel that had me fooled wrt AC3. The previous program probably had nothing but silence in the AC3 stream. Both MP2 and AC3 works now. Thanks anyway. |
| [20:43:46] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: oh, my code-fu has already borne fruits. dbox2 epg patch, mythmusic progress bar, erm.. that short-lived plugin.. bits & bobs all over. and an xml file or 2 :P |
| [20:43:54] | sphery: | I wonder if LinuxMCE will ever be updated to a newer version of MythTV backend? |
| [20:44:07] | sphery: | Seems at this point, it would require a /lot/ of effort for the MCE guys. |
| [20:44:12] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: I must admit to being rather proud of my few little fruits ;) |
| [20:44:24] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: it's a fantastic feeling innit |
| [20:44:30] | iamlindoro_: | yar |
| [20:44:39] | justinh: | I seriously can't stress this enough.. more people should have a go |
| [20:45:06] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: I do believe my current little works would get a fair amount of appreciation should they make it in in time for release |
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| [20:45:15] | justinh: | none of this "muhhh I can't code" BS. Just TRY. so you might never know a ctor from a dtor (I still don't tbh) but there's plenty you can do besides |
| [20:45:51] | justinh: | as for asses from elbows.. sometimes they give me trouble too :P |
| [20:46:03] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: And if not, I can go on having the worlds most metadata-y frontend ;) |
| [20:46:11] | justinh: | lol |
| [20:46:16] | unimaginative: | justinh: that's what's stopped me. I have a 'learning C' book but it's never been opened. |
| [20:46:24] | iamlindoro_: | bah, who needs books |
| [20:46:33] | iamlindoro_: | vi playbackbox.cpp |
| [20:46:44] | justinh: | unimaginative: I have a book too. it's about as much use for writing for myth as a book on learning Japanese |
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| [20:47:04] | iamlindoro_: | on the other hand, his kitchen table is perfectly stable, no more short leg |
| [20:47:07] | justinh: | a lot of myth's code isn't exactly complex per se |
| [20:47:33] | iamlindoro_: | and much of it can be copied and bent to your will |
| [20:47:34] | eighthour: | can i add an ntfs drive that already has media on it to the backend....???.... |
| [20:47:54] | justinh: | eighthour: you could, but ntfs writing in linux sucks |
| [20:47:55] | unimaginative: | eighthour: sure, but you shouldnt' try to write to it. |
| [20:48:18] | justinh: | better to copy the media to another place, then flatten the NTFS partition |
| [20:48:31] | justinh: | and copy the media back :) |
| [20:48:46] | eighthour: | it's full....just didn't want to have to copy it....i'm done writing to it....it's my star trek collection.... |
| [20:49:04] | justinh: | mounting readonly is doable, sure |
| [20:49:43] | justinh: | hmm I might have to reimagine this loop |
| [20:49:50] | eighthour: | is it a real pain or can you direct me to a how to....???.... |
| [20:49:54] | wagnerrp: | eighthour: you live in denver? |
| [20:50:01] | eighthour: | no....ohio.... |
| [20:50:18] | justinh: | mount -ro /dev/device /mountpoint |
| [20:50:28] | wagnerrp: | aww... http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/18637190/detail.html |
| [20:50:32] | justinh: | assuming you have the ntfs mountage stuff installed of course |
| [20:51:30] | eighthour: | i just finished installing....i don't even no how to get to the terminal....hold on....by the way, i installed mythbuntu....was that a mistake....???.... |
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| [20:52:16] | eighthour: | wagnerrp, i actually submitted that article to digg earlier.... |
| [20:53:05] | iamlindoro_: | OMG NO, NOT MYTHBUNTU!!!! |
| [20:53:10] | iamlindoro_: | YOU'RE SCREWED |
| [20:53:19] | iamlindoro_: | Actually, no, you're fine. |
| [20:53:37] | eighthour: | i didn't know....there are quite a few.... |
| [20:53:49] | JEDIDIAH__: | mythbuntu is just slightly redundant. |
| [20:54:22] | iamlindoro_: | eighthour: It's fine, mythbuntu is highly recommended and an ideal choice for someone new to myth |
| [20:55:50] | eighthour: | that's cool....i've been wanting to set this up for a while, just havn't had time.... |
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| [21:06:26] | eighthour: | do i want the second hard drive mounted at /media/disk....???.... |
| [21:06:33] | eighthour: | or does it matter....???.... |
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| [21:07:10] | iamlindoro_: | so much punctuation. |
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| [21:07:36] | eighthour: | i've done that since i was on BBSs as a kid....don't know why.... |
| [21:07:38] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Does that make him "Punctual"? ;-) |
| [21:08:06] | eighthour: | trying to be unique maybe....???....or just annoying.... |
| [21:08:20] | iamlindoro_: | trying to be one doesn't prevent you from being the other ;) |
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| [21:09:24] | sphery: | eighthour: where's your first disk mounted? |
| [21:09:45] | eighthour: | whatever the default is....i'll look.... |
| [21:10:08] | sphery: | I'm assuming "first disk" is referring to "first recording disk," too, btw |
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| [21:10:47] | eighthour: | yes.... |
| [21:12:27] | dougl: | where do I configure my directories for pictures and music so mythtv can find them? |
| [21:12:46] | eighthour: | you know what....it will take a while, but i might just move the data to the first disc, reformat, and move it back....i have the space and it sounds like it will save trouble later.... |
| [21:12:53] | JEDIDIAH__: | there's a labyrinth of setup menus for the various plugins. |
| [21:13:05] | iamlindoro_: | utilities/setup->Setup->Media settings, then you have subsections for each, directory setup will be in "general" |
| [21:13:20] | sphery: | dougl: mythfrontend Utilities/Settings|Settings|Media Settings, then the approrpiate ones for iamges/music |
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| [21:13:42] | sphery: | Seems it's Setup, not Settings... And seems I'm too slow, anyway |
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| [21:13:54] | JEDIDIAH__: | ./media/diskX will be used by ubuntu by default |
| [21:14:06] | dougl: | iamlindoro, sphery thanks guys – lots to learn and I am getting lost = I appreciate the help :) |
| [21:14:12] | iamlindoro_: | np |
| [21:14:27] | sphery: | I've been getting Lost on MythTV since it premiered. |
| [21:14:31] | dougl: | lol |
| [21:14:38] | sphery: | It's been a lifesaver--otherwise, I couldn't keep up. |
| [21:15:01] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...it's not bad for getting through 4 years of lots in a few weeks either... |
| [21:15:01] | dougl: | is setting up mame just as easy = is there a good read on it? |
| [21:15:13] | JEDIDIAH__: | s/lots/lost/ |
| [21:15:13] | iamlindoro_: | wiki.mythtv.org, search for "Mythgame" |
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| [21:15:33] | dougl: | I have mame working from the command line so I think it is just a matter of config'n myth... |
| [21:15:48] | dougl: | iamlindoro, wiki = on my way thanks :) |
| [21:16:03] | iamlindoro_: | np, and yes, if you have it configured on the command line that's half the battle |
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| [21:16:29] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...speaking of "half the battle"... the trailer for the GI Joe movie is out. |
| [21:16:59] | sphery: | nice segue |
| [21:18:33] | JEDIDIAH__: | neural networks... association... |
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| [21:19:49] | iamlindoro_: | And Doctor Who as Destro |
| [21:20:09] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...that's who he's supposed to be. I thought as much. |
| [21:20:36] | iamlindoro_: | Darth Maul as Snake Eyes... |
| [21:20:53] | iamlindoro_: | The Mummy as Zartan... |
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| [21:21:08] | iamlindoro_: | Willis Davidge as Hawk |
| [21:22:11] | iamlindoro_: | Well, that about shreds the last bit of my childhood, then |
| [21:23:14] | JEDIDIAH__: | oh... it can't be any worse than BSG |
| [21:23:20] | JEDIDIAH__: | can't be near as worse |
| [21:23:56] | iamlindoro_: | Except new BSG is infinitly better than old BSG |
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| [21:24:10] | iamlindoro_: | s/infinitly/infinitely/ |
| [21:24:23] | JEDIDIAH__: | new BSG is like a botched Lost |
| [21:24:32] | iamlindoro_: | If you say so |
| [21:25:08] | JEDIDIAH__: | if you want to jump the shark into the next dimension then you should use a different name. |
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| [21:26:42] | iamlindoro_: | Right, if only they had stayed true to the original cape wearing retelling of the book of mormon with the furry robot dog |
| [21:26:56] | iamlindoro_: | and robot in high chairs |
| [21:26:58] | iamlindoro_: | robots |
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| [21:27:43] | JEDIDIAH__: | Yeah, the captain with an anti-robot bias who didn't disable the slave circuits on his fighters is just so much better. |
| [21:28:09] | iamlindoro_: | Erm, they did that in the *miniseries* |
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| [21:28:17] | iamlindoro_: | even *before* the first episode |
| [21:28:19] | dubstar_04: | what the hell are you guys on about? |
| [21:29:23] | iamlindoro_: | In fact the whole first hour was about the fact that they were not vulnerable to the cylon attack because they didn't have the networked control the other ships had, and only the few ships that had flown in the dignitaries had been vulnerable |
| [21:29:57] | rigolo: | good evening ... Is there any way to determine which capture card/encoder has recorded a specific recording? |
| [21:30:14] | justinh: | nope |
| [21:30:24] | JEDIDIAH__: | mangle your channums |
| [21:30:36] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...although this involves practices that no one else in this channel will condone. |
| [21:30:55] | justinh: | if your log is verbose enough, maybe it'll say which encoder was used ;) |
| [21:31:54] | rigolo: | justinh: okee .. that might be an idea ... does the scheduler keep track anyware what changes it made when a new recording was added? or when it found updated EPG data? |
| [21:33:30] | ** rigolo is trying to hunt down a problem related to a process outside of mythbackend .. but triggered by a request from myth to record a program ** | |
| [21:34:28] | JEDIDIAH__: | I have 2 different program guide sources for my cable channels because one input is SD and one is HD. With the HD one, all the channel numbers are suffixed with '-4' (4th tuner) |
| [21:35:52] | rigolo: | okee .. but I have 3 dvb-c devices all receiving the same digital cable stations .. so the scheduler can pick any of those it wants .. so your sollution will not really work in my situation |
| [21:36:22] | JEDIDIAH__: | submit a patch to justin... '-) |
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| [21:38:22] | justinh: | I wouldn't touch any recorder/scheduler code |
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| [21:38:45] | JEDIDIAH__: | where's the fun in that? |
| [21:39:04] | justinh: | because I have my hands full enough :D |
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| [21:40:21] | rigolo: | I think the logs that I currently have are already enough for what I am looking for ... |
| [21:40:42] | JEDIDIAH__: | the logs have the cardid? |
| [21:40:59] | rigolo: | I see entires like this: Started recording: <program name>: channel 12001 on cardid2, sourceid 1 |
| [21:41:00] | rigolo: | yep |
| [21:42:09] | rigolo: | justinh: TVRec(2): HW Tuner: 2->2 .. does that mean the second "virtual" tuner on DVB card 2? |
| [21:42:15] | JEDIDIAH__: | getting that into the db should be a minor thing thing... |
| [21:52:41] | fruit-fly: | any hardware hacks on the HDhomerun yet? |
| [21:52:51] | JEDIDIAH__: | what did you have in mind? |
| [21:53:07] | ** rigolo can asnwer his own question ... it does not mean that .. it just means doing something with encoder 2 (which is the first "virtual" tuner on capture card 1 (in my case at least) ** | |
| [21:56:29] | fruit-fly: | what I'v thinking why don't channels dump their entire listing online? That's it no tuners needed no interlacing issues |
| [21:57:19] | fruit-fly: | and probably wiped out halve of engineering staff in the industry lol |
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| [22:00:00] | eighthour: | i cannot connect to database from another frontend....what stupid thing am i doing wrong....???.... |
| [22:00:30] | JEDIDIAH__: | mysql has weird internal ACLs for access across the network |
| [22:00:52] | JEDIDIAH__: | mysql needs to be setup to allow connections from other boxes on your network |
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| [22:02:17] | eighthour: | how do i do that....???.... |
| [22:02:25] | JEDIDIAH__: | google it. |
| [22:02:32] | ** JEDIDIAH__ doesn't remember this either. ** | |
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| [22:02:47] | JEDIDIAH__: | it's one of those things that you usually do once in your life and then promptly forget about. |
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| [22:03:31] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...might be in the myth wiki |
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| [22:03:48] | eighthour: | do i want the backend database set as localhost or the backends ip....???.... |
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| [22:04:42] | justinh: | look in the mythtv.org official docs :) |
| [22:05:31] | justinh: | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2 |
| [22:06:15] | eighthour: | ok....thanks.... |
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| [22:09:41] | Traveler8: | Greetings |
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| [22:11:07] | mikeones: | I am having issues with mythvideo. In my /var/www/myth/data directory I have video -> /media/movies1. When I click a movie in mythweb to dl I see the path as host/myth/data/video///media/movies1/file |
| [22:11:13] | oobe: | /j #poo |
| [22:11:13] | oobe: | woops |
| [22:12:42] | mikeones: | I can't tell why it is pointing to http://host/myth/data/video///media/movies1/file instead of http://host/myth/media/movies1/file |
| [22:13:37] | oobe: | its probably cause mythweb lives in /var/www also |
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| [22:14:58] | mikeones: | oobe: I dont usderstand that. mythweb is in /var/www and mythvideo is in /usr/local |
| [22:15:42] | dpolo: | ok, I have a very stupid question — I checked on mythtv long time ago — and there was a note stating they would no longer get tvlistings due to someone not providing them anymore. |
| [22:15:46] | dpolo: | that been remedied? |
| [22:16:26] | Dagmar: | Do you wish to ask questions about what will happen as a result of the advent of the aeroplane as well? |
| [22:16:39] | Dagmar: | Ancient history is ancient. |
| [22:17:06] | GreyFoxx: | dpolo: the free us sources of them is gone |
| [22:17:22] | GreyFoxx: | but you can get them by signing up for a schedulesdirect account ($20 a year) |
| [22:17:39] | dpolo: | ok, thanks! thats what i wanted to know :) |
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| [22:19:21] | fruit-fly: | google offers free tv listings |
| [22:20:07] | Dagmar: | ...but not in a convenient format for MythTV to swallow |
| [22:20:47] | iamlindoro_: | They also don't allow you to scrape and insert them anywhere you like |
| [22:20:53] | iamlindoro_: | free != "free" |
| [22:21:16] | dpolo: | yeah, I just wanted to know if I should re-invest time into researching and buying parts.. :) |
| [22:21:32] | iamlindoro_: | Their (and everyone else's) "free" listings are offered under the condition that you use them in their application, at their site, while watching their ads |
| [22:21:42] | iamlindoro_: | dpolo: Myth was never without listings, not for a single day |
| [22:21:44] | Dagmar: | ...which is pretty reasonabley. |
| [22:22:31] | iamlindoro_: | dpolo: Schedules Direct was set up in advance of Zap2It Labs going away, there was no interruption. |
| [22:22:36] | dpolo: | I did not know that, I was just starting to research it when i saw something like that, and so I just paid for my cable dvr. Think i'll start up again... hopefully parts are cheaper too |
| [22:22:56] | iamlindoro_: | Parts are probably still about the same, but you get much more for the money now ;) |
| [22:23:11] | dpolo: | Grood! |
| [22:23:21] | iamlindoro_: | Grue! |
| [22:23:24] | ** iamlindoro_ turns out the lights ** | |
| [22:23:56] | ** iamlindoro_ waits while everyone is Grue'd ** | |
| [22:24:31] | dpolo: | Grood = Great + good |
| [22:24:45] | fruit-fly: | well that's free, it's either ads or $20 a year. Honestly linux can block those ads easily |
| [22:24:47] | iamlindoro_: | I prefer the Zorkian predator |
| [22:24:50] | Dagmar: | Literacy = knowledge + reading |
| [22:25:06] | Dagmar: | Making up words = fail + lose. ;) |
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| [22:25:50] | iamlindoro_: | fruit-fly: That's a free *web source which doesn't work with myth* versus the $20 a year not-for-profit run by the open source community which can |
| [22:25:54] | fruit-fly: | I had this question. PChdtv states that has no hardware decoder, everything is done in software. Is that suppose to be a good thing or a shortcoming? |
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| [22:26:15] | dpolo: | is Dagmar always this cranky? |
| [22:26:26] | iamlindoro_: | fruit-fly: It's like choosing between taking your flight to asia in a plane or a cereal box.. only one will get you where you need to go |
| [22:26:44] | fruit-fly: | iamlindoro_: ah sweet, I didn't know it's run by the linux communists |
| [22:26:49] | Dagmar: | The $20/year directly represents bulls**t you don't have to put up with because someone else has already sorted it. Things like sudden loss of listings because of a format change on the site, and um... some other stuff I can't think of at the moment as I'm shoving crackers into my mouht |
| [22:26:51] | fruit-fly: | errm... community |
| [22:26:53] | Dagmar: | I gotta stop skipping breakfast |
| [22:27:07] | oobe: | in australia all our free grabbers work perfect they also grab extra data from tv.com and imdb |
| [22:27:28] | fruit-fly: | iamlindoro_: the decoder? |
| [22:27:31] | oobe: | i didnt really have a point im just gloating |
| [22:27:34] | iamlindoro_: | oobe: And a similar setup in the US would not be tolerated as it involves scraping |
| [22:27:39] | Dagmar: | xmltv always managed to break for one reason or another 2–3 times a year |
| [22:28:13] | oobe: | iamlindoro_, that's probably cause of so many different providers and laws etc. |
| [22:28:28] | iamlindoro_: | fruit-fly: Not a shortcoming, all digital tuners for the US market pass the compressed stream to disk, and it is decoded and displayed in software. You wouldn't *want* your tuner to do decode |
| [22:28:28] | fruit-fly: | the spirit of linux is everythring free + donations (or company sponsors) |
| [22:28:28] | oobe: | i understand that its not possible over there |
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| [22:28:43] | Dagmar: | No, the spirit of linux is about doing things correctly. |
| [22:28:46] | fruit-fly: | iamlindoro_: ok |
| [22:28:49] | iamlindoro_: | oobe: No, it's because of the philosophy of the (US Based) project that stealing is... what's the word... wrong |
| [22:28:52] | Dagmar: | It just happens to be easy enough that most of the time it's free. |
| [22:28:59] | Dagmar: | Free is NOT the core component, it's a side-effect. |
| [22:29:16] | Dagmar: | Software you can write once and be done with it. |
| [22:29:21] | shadash: | .22 .22 .22 |
| [22:29:37] | Dagmar: | Something like maintaining a service requires a continuous feed of man-hours, and people gotta eat |
| [22:29:50] | iamlindoro_: | Agreed, free is nice but I will pay for something that has value to me |
| [22:30:20] | iamlindoro_: | open source = you can poke at the source and do what you want with it, not that everyone has to give you everything for free |
| [22:30:38] | iamlindoro_: | Of course, kormoc still hasn't responded to my order to rewrite mythweb in python... |
| [22:30:46] | iamlindoro_: | He'll be hearing from my lawyer |
| [22:30:58] | iamlindoro_: | Since he's a horrible member of the communitayyyyyy |
| [22:31:23] | Dagmar: | Perl, not python |
| [22:31:29] | iamlindoro_: | It's already in perl |
| [22:31:38] | shadash: | python = strange |
| [22:31:47] | iamlindoro_: | the demand was made for him to rewrite it in python AFAIK |
| [22:31:50] | shadash: | I couldn't get it |
| [22:32:01] | Dagmar: | You must have typoed it again |
| [22:32:20] | Dagmar: | It's spelled p-e-r-l not p-y-t-h-o-n. |
| [22:32:28] | Dagmar: | No one in their right mind does web stuff in that other language |
| [22:32:52] | iamlindoro_: | And yet no, I am once again stating that someone demanded he rewrite it in python |
| [22:33:01] | iamlindoro_: | Shall we go round the merry go round again? |
| [22:33:07] | kormoc: | Aye, the guy wanted it in Python *N*O*W* |
| [22:33:10] | oobe: | hey Zanthus we use the same isp yay |
| [22:33:13] | Dagmar: | Hmm... |
| [22:33:14] | dpolo: | lots of people use mythbunto? |
| [22:33:20] | Dagmar: | A shame we can't cheaply have his legs broken |
| [22:33:24] | Dagmar: | No wait, fingers. |
| [22:33:30] | kormoc: | both? |
| [22:33:36] | iamlindoro_: | both wins! |
| [22:33:36] | Dagmar: | People can't type silly requests with busted fingers. |
| [22:34:46] | rigolo: | unless your name is pinoccio ... then you can still type with your silly noose :-) |
| [22:35:33] | justinh: | noose? |
| [22:35:36] | justinh: | heheheh |
| [22:35:41] | iamlindoro_: | The rope would just mash a bunch of keys |
| [22:36:15] | rigolo: | noooose ... maybe I should have added more oooo's :-) |
| [22:36:29] | iamlindoro_: | fewer o's is actually what you want |
| [22:36:31] | iamlindoro_: | nose |
| [22:36:45] | justinh: | more O's ftw ;) |
| [22:36:46] | iamlindoro_: | nez |
| [22:36:51] | kormoc: | it's a growing nose, get it? |
| [22:36:54] | iamlindoro_: | näse |
| [22:37:08] | kormoc: | > |
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| [22:38:29] | ** rigolo thinks it is time to build 2 identical backends .. then I hope I have on running when the other breaks down again :-) ** | |
| [22:38:51] | fruit-fly: | fork it |
| [22:38:59] | iamlindoro_: | Or just build one that doesn't break down |
| [22:39:05] | rigolo: | but that breaking down has nothing to do with mythtv btw .. but with that other app that I can not talk about here :-) |
| [22:39:23] | ** iamlindoro_ frowns, narrows eyes ** | |
| [22:39:24] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | [ot] Holy bleep... $46.80 to ship a 6lb package to the UK from Boston... "Priority Mail" – 5 to 10 business days... wow... |
| [22:39:32] | Zanthus: | oobe: really? |
| [22:40:12] | _abbenormal: | my myth would run if i keep my fingers away from the keyboard |
| [22:40:31] | fruit-fly: | lindo = beautiful/pretty, oro = gold |
| [22:40:32] | fruit-fly: | lol |
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| [22:40:57] | rigolo: | well ... I think mine would also ... if it were not for this other app that keeps giving me un explaind hickups once every few days or so |
| [22:41:17] | tony403: | could someone tell me what a good cable converter box is for when my cable co switches to digital? |
| [22:41:38] | rigolo: | convert cable to what? |
| [22:41:41] | _abbenormal: | see most dont care here as thats not a myth issue so to bad |
| [22:42:05] | tony403: | rigolo, to use my pc and use digital cable |
| [22:42:30] | tony403: | a good dvr box that also has s-video to record |
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| [22:42:38] | _abbenormal: | most will supply you with one |
| [22:42:42] | rigolo: | what kind of digital cable? dvb-c or other formats |
| [22:43:11] | tony403: | idk, it's ntsc american, afaik |
| [22:43:39] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | tony403: the box will have S-video output. |
| [22:43:42] | kormoc: | Ugh |
| [22:43:46] | ** rigolo deals with dvb-c here .... ** | |
| [22:43:56] | kormoc: | I wish we could block all the mailing list users who don't bother with names at all |
| [22:44:48] | tony403: | what exactly is a cable box called that hooks up to an analog tv? need to google that term |
| [22:44:58] | tony403: | digital cable converter? |
| [22:44:59] | kormoc: | settop box? |
| [22:44:59] | GreyFoxx: | settop box |
| [22:45:10] | _abbenormal: | vcr |
| [22:45:22] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | ^^ You guys owe each-other a beer... ;-) |
| [22:45:56] | tony403: | not the analog ones but digital ones |
| [22:46:06] | dpolo: | anyone using SSD w/their MythTV box? |
| [22:46:55] | ** kormoc raises an eyebrow ** | |
| [22:47:02] | kormoc: | Compact Flash is fairly popular |
| [22:47:05] | oobe: | Zanthus, yeah |
| [22:47:15] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | SSD? |
| [22:47:17] | oobe: | and i see you joined the au ubuntu channel to |
| [22:47:22] | kormoc: | Solid State Device |
| [22:47:37] | kormoc: | Memory based storage devices |
| [22:47:52] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Ah... ;-) (duh?!?) |
| [22:48:19] | dpolo: | im looking at several HW guides, one by AVSforum.. trying to come up with a hw strategy. |
| [22:48:45] | tank-man: | ssd for a backend? |
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| [22:50:17] | dpolo: | was thinking of smaller ssd for front-end and larger drive for backend.. |
| [22:50:48] | dpolo: | that could be a stupid thought... but I have not read enough yet to make decisions |
| [22:51:05] | _abbenormal: | do it on usb or live cd and us hd for storage |
| [22:51:15] | _abbenormal: | us = use |
| [22:52:41] | Dagmar: | Only really useful unless your ssd has enough space for the whole OS and so on |
| [22:53:42] | dpolo: | Im not trying to be desnse Dagmar, but whats only really useful? what abbenormal said? |
| [22:53:55] | Dagmar: | Using an ssd on the frontend |
| [22:55:14] | Dagmar: | Myth doesn't do a lot of *different* things so a remote /usr mount is going to be fine for most stuff, particularly since the frontend *functioning* and network connectivity are rather tied together |
| [22:55:45] | Dagmar: | What it does run will wind up being cached to memory |
| [22:55:50] | dpolo: | there are nice affordable 60GB OCZ SSDs on newegg.. so it could store everything, then buy a large capacity HD for archiving |
| [22:56:21] | Dagmar: | Hmm... I'll have to look into that. Your idea of "affordable" might be different from mine tho |
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| [22:56:35] | Dagmar: | Surely those netbooks will have driven the price down some by now--I've just not checked on them lately |
| [22:56:51] | dpolo: | 126 |
| [22:56:52] | dpolo: | http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCategory.aspx? . . . &Tpk=ssd |
| [22:57:17] | dpolo: | its not throwaway money, but its not the 500+ it was when they came out |
| [22:57:28] | Dagmar: | Dude you can buy terabyte disks for that money |
| [22:57:36] | _abbenormal: | you can but only need 4 gig usb drive fo 15 bucks and do the same with it a lot cheaper |
| [22:58:01] | BenB: | dpolo: the current SSDs are really crap, from what I read, worse than harddisks. the *only* good ones are those from Intel. |
| [22:58:08] | dpolo: | I have a 16GB usb disk I bought for 20, that would work? |
| [22:58:21] | BenB: | dpolo: so, if you have a harddisk anyways, save yourself the money. |
| [22:58:45] | _abbenormal: | it should provided your system can boot to usb |
| [22:58:52] | Dagmar: | 16Gb should be enough space to get the OS and Myth on |
| [22:59:17] | BenB: | dpolo: usb memory sticks are slow |
| [22:59:55] | Dagmar: | Yeah but the OS doens't need to be on particularly fast media |
| [23:00:24] | BenB: | Dagmar: I think it does make a difference whether the OS disk can read 50MB/s or 3–6MB/s |
| [23:00:34] | _abbenormal: | why |
| [23:01:00] | BenB: | _abbenormal: because you need to read a few hundred megs to boot etc.? |
| [23:01:21] | Dagmar: | So, it doesn't much matter. |
| [23:01:30] | Dagmar: | You arne't going to be rebooting the thing all day long. |
| [23:01:37] | BenB: | Dagmar: if you don't care about boot needing 5 minutes, no |
| [23:01:53] | dpolo: | I have a 7200RPM 160GB disk laying around, just thought the seek time would mess w/performance. |
| [23:01:57] | Dagmar: | Disk i/o isn't the majority of your boot time cost |
| [23:02:01] | BenB: | Dagmar: (FWIW, if I try new DVB drivers, I *do* boot all day long) |
| [23:02:15] | Dagmar: | Ben he's talking about a frontend |
| [23:02:26] | _abbenormal: | dont have to unless you build them into the kernel |
| [23:03:06] | BenB: | do whatevery you like. I think it's silly technically, unless you want a totally diskless system (but he said he'll have a big harddrive anyways.) |
| [23:03:10] | Dagmar: | The /etc directory here takes up a whole 7.8Mb, and that's because i've not bothered to prune it. |
| [23:03:31] | Dagmar: | A slow disk is not going to increase start up times significantly until it becomes VERY slow |
| [23:03:48] | BenB: | Dagmar: that's what I say: usb memory sticks *are* "VERY slow". |
| [23:03:54] | Dagmar: | No, they're not. |
| [23:03:58] | JEDIDIAH__: | it's hard to beat $35 (for a hard drive) |
| [23:04:01] | Dagmar: | You have strange ideas about what constitutes slow. |
| [23:04:18] | BenB: | Dagmar: 1/10 of speed is slow, same difference between car and plane |
| [23:04:39] | BenB: | whatever |
| [23:04:49] | Dagmar: | Dude, I have an 4Gb USB drive I can boot from here. |
| [23:04:58] | Dagmar: | It doesn' not increase boot times significantly. |
| [23:05:07] | Dagmar: | There's just not enough disk IO going on for it to matter that much. |
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| [23:05:16] | JEDIDIAH__: | It seems like a lot of trouble for minimal gain. |
| [23:05:30] | Dagmar: | The kernel and init spend WAY more time just dorking around with bus enumeration and hollering for a DHCP lease |
| [23:06:47] | BenB: | Dagmar: 3–600 MB * 3–6 MB/s = 100 seconds = 1.5 minutes. |
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| [23:07:09] | _abbenormal: | but back to your ? yes there is a lot of different ways you can do you setup thats the nice part about linux and myth dpolo |
| [23:07:24] | JEDIDIAH__: | you can make it as complicated as you like... |
| [23:08:08] | _abbenormal: | lol so true |
| [23:08:08] | dpolo: | ok, just wanted opinions if people thought it was worth it.. but I guess thinking about it, dvrs from cable companies/tivo use normal HardDisks |
| [23:08:39] | BenB: | dpolo: to store the recordings |
| [23:08:43] | dpolo: | so I guess i'll save my self 126 from budget by using my 160gb hd that I already have |
| [23:09:09] | dpolo: | do they have lots of ram for processing? |
| [23:09:12] | Dagmar: | 3–600 Mb is quite a range there. |
| [23:09:27] | Dagmar: | Perhaps you would find more useful results if you acutally booted a thumb drive. |
| [23:09:38] | Dagmar: | I know it doesn't take a minutes and a half for me to boot from mine. |
| [23:09:50] | dpolo: | I dont care about boot time at all |
| [23:09:55] | BenB: | dpolo: hardware-wise, mythtv just likes two things: a decent TV card with linux drivers, and lots and lots of disk space for recordings. 160 GB are fine for a start, though. |
| [23:10:00] | dpolo: | I only care about running performance. |
| [23:11:08] | _abbenormal: | then speedy cpu with 4 gig of ram and a vary fast graphics card |
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| [23:11:22] | dpolo: | do I need a tv card? I thought I just needed of of thouse new video cards w/hdmi output |
| [23:11:39] | _abbenormal: | yes you need the dvb card also |
| [23:11:41] | BenB: | dpolo: TV card = recording TV |
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| [23:14:00] | Dagmar: | Hmm... having just looked at it, i'm also getting about twice the read rate you're projecting (off a relatively normal 2Gb sandisk thumbdrive) |
| [23:16:02] | BenB: | Dagmar: yes, the speeds vary widely. |
| [23:16:21] | BenB: | it's normal for one to be several times as fast as others. |
| [23:16:36] | Dagmar: | You have an interesting definition of "several" as well. |
| [23:16:40] | BenB: | (and it not being announced on the packaging) |
| [23:16:44] | dpolo: | whats best tvcard for the bang? |
| [23:16:53] | dpolo: | I need dvb-s card for cable right? |
| [23:16:59] | Dagmar: | That depends entirely on what you're tuning in. |
| [23:17:04] | _abbenormal: | one that works and has lots of support |
| [23:17:07] | dpolo: | err -c |
| [23:17:08] | Dagmar: | ...and where you live. |
| [23:17:17] | BenB: | dpolo: no. I think the wiki will tell more, that's a complex topic. |
| [23:17:22] | BenB: | dpolo: please read the docs. |
| [23:17:26] | dpolo: | ok, I see the wiki |
| [23:17:31] | dpolo: | im reading it now.. |
| [23:17:35] | BenB: | dpolo: thanks |
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| [23:28:11] | dpolo: | laters tahnks for all the help! i have a lot to read! :) |
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