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| [00:05:01] | Dagmar: | xrandr support you will almost never need |
| [00:05:14] | Dagmar: | It's main thing is that it lets you turn the screen sideways or upside down |
| [00:05:37] | Dagmar: | XvMCD OpenGL support may or may not work, but that's a driver issue as far as I know |
| [00:06:15] | Dagmar: | What it's supposed to do is pass the video through XvMC for hardware-accellerated (in the video card) decompression of MPEG video (i.e., won't work with most DivX or any h.264) |
| [00:06:47] | Dagmar: | ...and then display the results on a GL surface instead of the normal way you probaly dont' care about anyway |
| [00:07:09] | bobbob1016: | Can anyone help me get 5.1 from my ACL888 card over spdif? I set myth to "alsa:iec958" and "alsa:spdif" but I only get stereo, even when I do "speaker-test -c6" Any ideas? |
| [00:08:07] | Dagmar: | You have to also tell it a third thing man |
| [00:08:14] | Dagmar: | LIke -Dsurround51 |
| [00:08:31] | Dagmar: | I think I scribbled that up on the wiki somewhere |
| [00:08:54] | Dagmar: | If your source is NOT 5.1 then you'll definitely have to tell it to upmiz |
| [00:09:01] | Dagmar: | er upmix |
| [00:09:24] | Dagmar: | The problem is marginally more complex than you've yet seen |
| [00:10:03] | Dagmar: | ...but yeah, speaker-test -c6 by itself won't ever do anything to the rear or surround speakers until you specify the output thingie with -D |
| [00:10:03] | bobbob1016: | Dagmar, I know that, that is why I've been doing speaker-test. I've checked around the wiki, I'll dig around a bit more. I have it into a receiver, so I think it can upmix |
| [00:10:25] | Dagmar: | If your reciever can upmix, just tell it to do that for any plain stereo signal |
| [00:10:45] | Dagmar: | What type of connection is going to your reciever |
| [00:11:02] | bobbob1016: | Dagmar, spdif |
| [00:11:25] | Dagmar: | Hmm... can't remember enough about that to be certain it's got the bandwith but it probably does |
| [00:11:37] | hachi: | hmmm, mythtv won't compile with libx264 65... or something |
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| [00:11:50] | Dagmar: | It *should* |
| [00:12:06] | sandeen: | bobbob1016, speaker-test -c6 also only gave me LF & RF on my ALC1200 (detected as ALC888) w/ spdif out but myth does seem to be doing proper surround |
| [00:12:11] | Dagmar: | That goes through ffmpeg as far as I can remember |
| [00:12:35] | Dagmar: | ...cuz again, you have to tell it ALSO -Dsurreound51 or it will NOT send anything to the other speakers |
| [00:12:57] | Dagmar: | ...but spelled correctly. |
| [00:13:15] | bobbob1016: | Dagmar, Trying it now, going into the config, I'll let you know |
| [00:14:00] | Dagmar: | I scribbled a partial/mostly alsa.conf fragment into the wiki as well, but I didnt' get around to explaining it because it took two exhausting hours to figure out WTF the alsa docs were actually saying |
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| [00:15:37] | Dagmar: | I just checked on the x264 thing... I built the last -fixes tree with a CVS pull of x264 from July |
| [00:16:03] | Dagmar: | Basically, if you're trying to build against "releases" of ffmpeg or x264 it'll fail |
| [00:16:13] | Dagmar: | You have to pull the SVN or CVS of both |
| [00:16:25] | hachi: | welll, uh oh |
| [00:16:34] | hachi: | http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /238468.html |
| [00:16:36] | hachi: | I found that |
| [00:17:03] | hachi: | so is iamlindoro wrong, or has that changed state again? |
| [00:17:10] | Dagmar: | No he's right baout that |
| [00:17:22] | Dagmar: | That's what I meant by "x264 goes through ffmpeg" |
| [00:17:25] | Dagmar: | I should have just been clearer |
| [00:17:31] | Dagmar: | ffmpeg is libavcodec |
| [00:17:44] | hachi: | I don't have an enable-ffmpeg... hrrrrr |
| [00:17:47] | Dagmar: | Myth from time to time syncs up with their stuff to clone a copy of their code into Myth |
| [00:17:59] | Dagmar: | So basically, MythTV includes already what's needed |
| [00:18:05] | hachi: | okay |
| [00:18:59] | Dagmar: | I just build ffpeg itself and x264 itself because the transcode utility DOESN'T use Myth's libs, so it'll need those things |
| [00:19:18] | Dagmar: | ...and tat f**ker will explode a LOT if you use the wrong revisions of things |
| [00:19:34] | hachi: | no distccc, big-endian, yasm, mmx, cmov, fast cmov, xrandr, xvmc opengl, vdpau, directfb, fribidi |
| [00:19:54] | Dagmar: | I can save you *some* trouble with myth config arguments |
| [00:19:55] | hachi: | I worry about MMX and CMOV |
| [00:19:57] | Dagmar: | One sec |
| [00:20:11] | hachi: | oh, I've got a bit of a configure line already |
| [00:20:46] | hachi: | http://nopaste.snit.ch/15479 |
| [00:21:54] | gbee: | holy mother .... |
| [00:22:01] | Dagmar: | Okay, so if you go to http://dagmar.droplinegnome.org/experimental/mythtv-build |
| [00:22:19] | Dagmar: | It's an ugly mess that you can't use directly because it requires the dropline build engine, BUT... |
| [00:22:28] | Dagmar: | You *can* see in there what config arguments I pass to it |
| [00:22:36] | hachi: | mine is longer :D |
| [00:22:36] | gbee: | hachi: half the things you are enabling there are enabled by default |
| [00:23:01] | hachi: | sure, paranoia abound |
| [00:23:02] | Dagmar: | If you do more than JUST --cpu= with it, as in if you use that and --arch, the last time I checked the lkibahttp://dagmar.droplinegnome.org/experime . . . -buildvcodec stuff effs it up |
| [00:23:23] | gbee: | don't need the "--arch=i486 --cpu=i486 --tune=i486", --enable-proc-opt covers that |
| [00:23:24] | Dagmar: | damn this fumblepT ad |
| [00:23:35] | Dagmar: | ONLY use the --cpu argument |
| [00:24:12] | Dagmar: | If you make a logfile of the build output, you can go back and look at the bit where it's compiling libavcodec and see if it's screwd up or not |
| [00:24:14] | hachi: | gbee: I'm on a P4 buiding cross-platform |
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| [00:24:18] | gbee: | if you must use them, you don't need arch, just --cpu and --tune |
| [00:24:19] | hachi: | so I think I can't use proc-opt |
| [00:24:40] | Dagmar: | Yo udon't need it |
| [00:24:46] | Dagmar: | It assumes that in the sections of hte build that matter |
| [00:25:17] | hachi: | I'm modelling my build after christian marrilat, I wonder why they chose to do things the 'wrong' way |
| [00:25:37] | Dagmar: | He may not have looked at the build output, or they may have fixed the libprepare |
| [00:25:40] | Dagmar: | avcodec stuff |
| [00:25:49] | gbee: | you could boil those args down to a single line (probably just 3) |
| [00:26:00] | Dagmar: | It was too broken for me to fix before without serious risk that it would be a massive mess to bring prepare |
| [00:26:13] | Dagmar: | any patches from ffmpeg back over into myth's private libavcodec |
| [00:26:21] | iamlindoro: | I would not emulate debian-multimedia if you're trying to build myth |
| [00:26:36] | Dagmar: | ...and there is also that --cpu=blah rather directly implies --tune= as well |
| [00:26:56] | gbee: | the ccache flags are also redundant, configure knows if you have ccache installed and will use it automatically |
| [00:27:05] | Dagmar: | THe only time you'd need to use both is if you're looking to build a binary that only uses say, 486 instructions but is optimized for 686 |
| [00:27:09] | Dagmar: | Of that much I am VERY sure |
| [00:27:26] | hachi: | okay, so backing up a little |
| [00:27:27] | gbee: | I'd drop the CC CXX CFLAGS entirely, not necessary |
| [00:27:49] | Dagmar: | Since we can be really darn sure you're not running this on a 486, --cpu=blah should be plenty |
| [00:27:56] | hachi: | I have 5 boxes here... and I would love to have a decent way to deploy mythtv to all of them |
| [00:28:38] | Dagmar: | Is there some reason you're forcing it to gcc-4.2? |
| [00:28:41] | hachi: | should I avoid using dpkg for some reason? |
| [00:28:48] | Dagmar: | Oh christ take out the -fPIC -DPIC |
| [00:28:56] | hachi: | because this is a debianish build system I'm running |
| [00:29:00] | hachi: | they like to force things |
| [00:29:11] | Dagmar: | If the compiler ever gets those wrong you're boned anyway |
| [00:29:39] | Dagmar: | --enable-xvmc-pro <-- not needed |
| [00:29:46] | gbee: | http://pastebin.ca/1324923 |
| [00:29:58] | Dagmar: | --enable-xvmc-vld, dunno about it. It must be new |
| [00:30:07] | hachi: | okay, what about --enable-audio-alsa ? |
| [00:30:13] | hachi: | I had that included |
| [00:30:25] | Dagmar: | THat should be fine, although if you do a configure run without it you'll likely see that it's detected it and is using it anyway |
| [00:30:29] | hachi: | and configure succeeded even without alsa libs |
| [00:30:34] | gbee: | I *think* that covers it, and even then, you don't need all of that unless you are actually likely to use it, trunk doesn't require liba52 and soon won't require libfaad |
| [00:31:12] | Dagmar: | There's one --enable-xvmc thing that's not in my buidl script for a reason, and that's because it BREAKS playback entirely |
| [00:31:33] | gbee: | mine – http://pastebin.ca/1324924 |
| [00:31:35] | Dagmar: | Mostly the configure script is reasonably intelligent about sorting out the XvMC stuff on it's own |
| [00:31:56] | gbee: | hachi: are you using XvMC? |
| [00:32:05] | Dagmar: | Good grief leave off the jack, arts, and oss stuff |
| [00:32:11] | hachi: | I am trying to be |
| [00:32:25] | Dagmar: | --compile-type=profile == NO. |
| [00:32:25] | hachi: | a short while ago I tried to figure out if XvMC was actually being used |
| [00:32:34] | Dagmar: | hachi: Do you have an nVidia card? |
| [00:32:36] | hachi: | I found that there was roughly no way to be /sure/ that it would use it |
| [00:32:40] | hachi: | no |
| [00:32:43] | Dagmar: | Oh yes there is |
| [00:32:56] | hachi: | I have an intel G35 or something chipset, can't remember off hand |
| [00:32:56] | gbee: | XvMC is dead in the water, it's not supported by new cards/drivers and is ONLY used by older Intel/Nvidia |
| [00:33:05] | hachi: | and a via chrome |
| [00:33:21] | hachi: | what are you supposed to use instead of XvMC ? |
| [00:33:25] | Dagmar: | Okay, so basically XvMC is going to get used if you dont' mess with it much, but whether it really helps is strictly a problem of whether or not your xorg video driver supports using your video card for accelleration of MPEG decoding |
| [00:33:26] | hachi: | software rendering? |
| [00:33:29] | Dagmar: | Yes. |
| [00:33:56] | gbee: | Via ... poor sod |
| [00:34:03] | Dagmar: | If you had an nVidia card, I'm 100% sure that the proprietary nVidia driver basically wedges in a shim that makes all the calls to XvMC go through it's version of the library |
| [00:34:04] | hachi: | the via can sod off |
| [00:34:12] | hachi: | it's a frontend I don't really care about |
| [00:34:27] | hachi: | I will NEVER buy nvidia hardware again until they open source their drivers |
| [00:34:33] | Dagmar: | Lots of people manage to acrtually break that tho by trying to specify libXvMCNVIDIA directly which is hideously wrong |
| [00:35:06] | gbee: | unless your frontend is so slow that it really can't manage SD mpeg2 (and even a Celly 800 has no problems there) then XvMC is just a waste of time |
| [00:35:06] | iamlindoro: | You'll have a long wait ahead of you |
| [00:35:11] | Dagmar: | hachi: that's a shame because all the complaint speople have about "we can't fix anything without source" tend to get left in the dust of "nVidia actually does a good job of killing bugs on their own" |
| [00:35:33] | hachi: | except nvidia does a shitty job with power management |
| [00:35:40] | hachi: | so my work issued laptop |
| [00:35:50] | hachi: | I can't use the nvidia drivers on it because I can't suspend it then |
| [00:36:13] | Dagmar: | So your work-issued laptop is probably using an nForce chipset, which is a wholly different issue from XvMC accelleration |
| [00:36:30] | hachi: | no, it's not nforce |
| [00:36:38] | hachi: | it's a frigging NV50 or something |
| [00:36:56] | Dagmar: | That's a card identifier if I'm not mistaken |
| [00:36:57] | hachi: | Quadro NVS 140M |
| [00:37:00] | hachi: | yes |
| [00:37:02] | gbee: | I just wish the Nvidia drivers could remain stable for 5 minutes instead of breaking something new with each release |
| [00:37:12] | hachi: | and there is no xorg acceleration for that series of cards |
| [00:37:36] | Dagmar: | There's only limited accelleration of any type in the xorg nvidia driver |
| [00:37:51] | gbee: | but I'll will grant you that Nvidia do release new drivers frequently, far faster than an open source effort would be likely to move |
| [00:37:51] | Dagmar: | It basically stops at "accellerating hte drawing of planes and gradients" |
| [00:37:57] | Dagmar: | ...which is all the typical window-draswing thing needs |
| [00:38:08] | hachi: | they took out all the 'old' acceleration methods |
| [00:38:13] | hachi: | which broke all the xorg stuff |
| [00:38:23] | Dagmar: | I've not seen anything break |
| [00:38:29] | ** hachi shrugs ** | |
| [00:38:44] | gbee: | Radeon open source driver is looking promising, if you absolutely must use nothing but open source |
| [00:38:50] | hachi: | I dunno, I talked to xorg folks about this months ago |
| [00:39:07] | hachi: | they have no hope of hardware accel on the latest series of nvidia cards until someone can reverse engineer them |
| [00:39:09] | gbee: | but the official binary driver still beats it hands down |
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| [00:39:19] | Dagmar: | I've been using it with Compiz and such here with no problems at all |
| [00:39:32] | Dagmar: | ...althugh I'll be damned if I'll try to use Compiz with myth again |
| [00:39:48] | Dagmar: | There's a) little point in bothering and b |
| [00:39:48] | hachi: | now, why did I stop my compile again? |
| [00:40:00] | Dagmar: | b) my myth box is JUST a myth box so it's not needed |
| [00:40:25] | Dagmar: | hachi: No idea. |
| [00:40:37] | gbee: | found that Compiz doesn't like sharing the system with another GL app, not just limited to mythfrontend but anything GL based that I tried to run at the same time |
| [00:40:47] | Dagmar: | If you have lots of RAM you might do `make -j2` next time instead for a slim performance increase at the expense of memory |
| [00:40:51] | J-e-f-f-A_: | iamlindoro: I guess paul looked at my patch today but it got an error for him... Humm... He's not on now, so I'll have to try to catch up with him tomorrow. |
| [00:40:55] | Dagmar: | gbee: Yep |
| [00:41:01] | Dagmar: | It HATES it |
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| [00:41:15] | Dagmar: | It looks like the problem is that it expects ALL the video RAM to itself |
| [00:41:44] | Dagmar: | If you make it share buffers it complains |
| [00:42:14] | gbee: | Mirror, mirror, on the wall ... I'm the prettiest of them all and I'm damn well going to keep it that way |
| [00:42:25] | hachi: | I use openbox |
| [00:42:33] | Dagmar: | heheh |
| [00:42:38] | hachi: | cause I get tired of lens flare and 3d motions quickly :) |
| [00:42:53] | Dagmar: | I use nothing. |
| [00:43:07] | hachi: | is there a mythtv theme that only has 16 colors :D |
| [00:43:10] | Dagmar: | Way less hassle as long as Myth doesn't call any external programs like MPlayer |
| [00:43:18] | hachi: | oh |
| [00:43:21] | Dagmar: | hachi: That's a hateful thing |
| [00:43:23] | hachi: | with myth, yeah... I use nothing |
| [00:43:30] | hachi: | I mean for /me/ |
| [00:43:33] | hachi: | I use openbox |
| [00:43:54] | Dagmar: | WHy would you want Myth's UI to only use 16 colors tho? |
| [00:43:59] | Dagmar: | *shudder* |
| [00:43:59] | gbee: | mind you, Plasma isn't much better, but then I've been unable to give it a fair review since the Nvidia driver is broken for the 8200 chipset making even the most basic 2D rendering crawl |
| [00:44:42] | Dagmar: | I was using BLackbox for awhile |
| [00:44:50] | Dagmar: | ...mainly for when I needed to run nvidia-settings |
| [00:45:06] | Dagmar: | It's not like we need session management |
| [00:45:50] | Dibblah: | Dagmar: If you use an Intel card, you get that for free with current drivers. |
| [00:46:03] | Dibblah: | (256 colors, by the looks of it) |
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| [00:46:15] | Dagmar: | Session management from the video driver? |
| [00:46:29] | Dibblah: | No, 256 color GL. |
| [00:46:40] | d0netsFN: | hey if im wanting to setup mythtv frontend on my laptop, to connect to my desktop |
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| [00:46:47] | d0netsFN: | do i just put my desktops local ip |
| [00:46:49] | Dagmar: | Hmm... Good thing I'm not trying to run Myth on my VAIO then I guess |
| [00:46:58] | Dibblah: | No idea why – My solution is just to not use the GL painter ;) |
| [00:47:00] | d0netsFN: | i keep geting cannot login to database |
| [00:47:23] | Dagmar: | d0tnets: You probably didn't put the IP of your frontend into the access controls for MySQL |
| [00:47:31] | Dagmar: | ...or it's not listening on the network. |
| [00:47:41] | Dagmar: | Most installs of MySQL by default disable networking altogether |
| [00:47:59] | Dagmar: | If you see "skip-networking" somewhere, stomp that out |
| [00:48:30] | Dagmar: | Or slap the machine with `netstat -tunap` and look to see what interfaces (if any) MySQL is binding to |
| [00:48:39] | ** Dibblah wonders how many man-years have been spent on that little wrinkle. ** | |
| [00:49:04] | Dagmar: | Dibblah: Probably fewer than were spent rebuilding databases run by people who didn't have firewalls or clue |
| [00:49:25] | d0netsFN: | i dont see skip networking |
| [00:49:28] | hachi: | how long does myth take to build? |
| [00:49:33] | d0netsFN: | but for bind-address do i put the local ip? |
| [00:49:36] | Dagmar: | There's a degree to which if you're maintaining it yourself, you're supposed to know a few things about how it works. :/ |
| [00:49:38] | hachi: | roughly |
| [00:49:53] | Dagmar: | d0netsFN: If yhou want to, but it should bind to all interfaces once it's allowed to do so |
| [00:50:04] | iamlindoro: | 7 minutes 23 seconds |
| [00:50:05] | Dibblah: | hachi: Depends on the length of your piece of string. |
| [00:50:22] | Dagmar: | THis is something you can verify with netstat -tunap |
| [00:50:54] | Dagmar: | With skip-networking turned on, it'll only bind to the local unix socket, which isn't accessible over the network |
| [00:51:02] | hachi: | blah, I guess I should make a vlan for mythtv traffic |
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| [00:51:18] | Dagmar: | You could but it's probably not that necessary |
| [00:51:21] | bobbob1016: | Dagmar, I'm getting 5.1, but now video chugs, could that be because my mythbox is trying to decode the 5.1? I thought passthrough meant it wouldn't. |
| [00:51:32] | Dagmar: | bobbob1016: COuld be |
| [00:52:10] | Dagmar: | Something else is probably going on since 5.1 doens't take all that much CPU power |
| [00:52:37] | Dibblah: | Either that, or pulseaudio is involved. |
| [00:52:55] | Dibblah: | ... Since it automagically up/downmixes. |
| [00:53:22] | bobbob1016: | I don't have pulseaudio |
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| [00:56:19] | bobbob1016: | I figured out the problem, I have something wrong in my .asoundrc, since I added something some forum said to add to get 5.1, and I did, but it went analog, when I removed it, I get stereo again, anyone willing to help with my .asoundrc? |
| [00:56:22] | d0netsFN: | dogmar i still cant get it to work |
| [00:56:45] | d0netsFN: | im gonna try a reboot |
| [00:57:02] | Dagmar: | You odn't need to reboot, just restart the mysql daemonn |
| [00:57:10] | d0netsFN: | yea i did that earlier though |
| [00:57:13] | d0netsFN: | hmm |
| [00:57:36] | Dagmar: | Did you make sure your my.cnf AND the init script for mysqld don't have skip-networking in them? |
| [00:57:51] | d0netsFN: | oh i just checked my.cnf |
| [00:57:58] | d0netsFN: | where is the init script |
| [00:58:05] | hachi: | netstat... anyone? |
| [00:58:15] | hachi: | netstat -ln | grep 3306 |
| [00:58:16] | hachi: | ? |
| [00:58:25] | bobbob1016: | Here's my asound.rc and aplay -l and aplay -L, http://pastebin.ca/1324943 the line at the bottom is what gave me 5.1, but made video chug. |
| [00:58:41] | Dagmar: | Debian-esqe init scripts tend to have skip-networking passed as an argument when mysqld is stated |
| [00:58:44] | Dagmar: | er started |
| [00:59:00] | Dagmar: | ugh |
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| [00:59:12] | hachi: | all my debian machines had skip-networking in the config file |
| [00:59:15] | hachi: | never in the init scripts |
| [00:59:39] | hachi: | I've been using debian for like 4 years now... and I'm running lenny/sid on several machines |
| [00:59:43] | d0netsFN: | i looked in the my.cnf but didnt see skip networking |
| [00:59:50] | d0netsFN: | im using ubuntu8.10 |
| [00:59:54] | Dagmar: | bobbob1016: Part of your problem is probably that you are *repeating* a lot of stuff that's alreadey in the things alsa ships |
| [01:00:18] | Dagmar: | So... you might be routing some audio through a libraorry it's alreaedy been through once |
| [01:00:35] | Dagmar: | Look into /usr/share/alsa IIRC and you'll find reams of already-defined stuff |
| [01:01:43] | Dagmar: | dmix in particular IIRC is something they've got already defined |
| [01:01:57] | Dagmar: | It shouldn't need to be hacked in anymore |
| [01:02:22] | Dagmar: | d0tnets: Check /etc/init.d/mysqld I *think* |
| [01:03:41] | d0netsFN: | dagmar i dont think that file exists |
| [01:03:56] | Dagmar: | Something named like that has to exist there dude |
| [01:04:10] | d0netsFN: | i see mysql |
| [01:04:12] | Dagmar: | I just am not really interested in mounting my...wait a minute |
| [01:04:22] | Dagmar: | Hehe I'm using Ubuntu on this laptop. One moemnt |
| [01:04:23] | d0netsFN: | mysql-ndb and mysql-ndb-mgm |
| [01:04:43] | Dagmar: | Okay, so those are the scripts that start mysqld if they're in something named /etc/init.d ish |
| [01:04:44] | hachi: | ndb and ndb-mgm are for mysql clustering |
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| [01:04:46] | hachi: | you can ignore those |
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| [01:05:14] | Dagmar: | Argh don't have mysql on the lkaptop, but at least /etc/init.d is the right name for the directory |
| [01:05:20] | d0netsFN: | what about /etc/init.d/mysql |
| [01:05:26] | Dagmar: | THat would be the one |
| [01:06:03] | Dagmar: | You're not going to find user-space stuff so-to-speak mentioned anywhere in there because those are all the scripts used by things (daemons) during startup |
| [01:06:27] | Dagmar: | THey can be invoked directly too, so long as you pass them the right magic words like 'stop' 'start' 'restart' etc |
| [01:06:49] | hachi: | d0netsFN: have you done a `netstat -ln | grep 3306` yet? you should get either 0 or 1 line of output |
| [01:06:57] | Dagmar: | I can see why they'd consider maybe that the 'd' of 'mysqld' would be redundant |
| [01:07:31] | d0netsFN: | dagmar i dont see skip-networking in thaat file |
| [01:07:33] | d0netsFN: | hachi lemme try |
| [01:07:39] | Dagmar: | THere's two schools of thinking for naming in there... one being that they should be named after the service, and one that they should be named after the daemon |
| [01:08:49] | d0netsFN: | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:3306 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN |
| [01:08:51] | Dagmar: | It's in there *somewhere* to be sure |
| [01:09:02] | Dagmar: | OKay, so it's listening |
| [01:09:11] | hachi: | mysql appears to have a bind on '127.0.0.1' or 'localhost' |
| [01:09:24] | hachi: | so searching for 'skip-networking' was a big waste of time |
| [01:10:01] | Dagmar: | You should (if it doesn't look for that, complain, and exit) also be able to tell it to bind to 0.0.0.0 |
| [01:10:15] | hachi: | look in /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| [01:10:20] | hachi: | for a line with 'bind-address' |
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| [01:10:27] | hachi: | it probably says = 127.0.0.1 right now |
| [01:10:38] | d0netsFN: | no i changed it to 192.168.1.46 |
| [01:10:41] | hachi: | switch it to 0.0.0.0... UNLESS your box is not behind a firewall |
| [01:11:08] | d0netsFN: | just a router |
| [01:11:12] | d0netsFN: | i have firestarter running |
| [01:11:16] | d0netsFN: | but i dont think it does much |
| [01:11:18] | Dagmar: | Something in there has TOLD it to only bind to localhost |
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| [01:11:29] | Dagmar: | I just chopped skip-networking out of mine and it bound to 0.0.0.0 |
| [01:11:35] | AlmightyOatmeal: | can i stream a mpeg2 that is currently being recorded? |
| [01:11:36] | Dagmar: | Now to undo that.... |
| [01:11:39] | hachi: | check for another line with the same |
| [01:11:45] | AlmightyOatmeal: | as in i'm recording a program and someone who just walked in would like to watch it from the beginning.. not including a mythtv frontend, it will be doing to a d-link dsm-510 media player |
| [01:11:54] | hachi: | I'd bet that there's a second one in the config |
| [01:12:01] | hachi: | or maybe the bind-address is in the wrong |
| [01:12:03] | hachi: | section |
| [01:12:10] | Dagmar: | Probably so |
| [01:12:12] | hachi: | should be in the [mysqld] section of my.cnf |
| [01:12:15] | Dagmar: | It definitely behaves as I've said |
| [01:12:50] | Dagmar: | He might be looking at some other my.cnf |
| [01:12:59] | hachi: | /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| [01:13:04] | hachi: | that's where it is on debian |
| [01:13:17] | Dagmar: | I went ofver this stuff pretty carefully before I put together the custom mysql build package I use for Myth |
| [01:13:24] | Dagmar: | That's right, I read their documentation |
| [01:14:04] | Dagmar: | YEah over here is't just /etc/my.cnf since there's little point in creating a directory to hold just one, specifically-named file |
| [01:14:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... Humm... maybe a dumb question, but can I tell mythfrontend to ignore my monitor's aspect ratio, and tell it it's 16:9 instead of 4:3 (to run in a window in 16:9 ratio) ? |
| [01:14:32] | hachi: | on debian there is usually an /etc/mysql/debian.cnf for the mysqladmin password and stuff |
| [01:14:36] | hachi: | for the init scripts |
| [01:14:36] | Dagmar: | J-e-f-f-A: Probably but it sounds like a bad idea |
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| [01:14:54] | Dagmar: | hachi: Ah, I just plop that into /root/.my.cnf |
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| [01:15:04] | Dagmar: | Kinda solves the problem |
| [01:15:13] | Dagmar: | ANyone who can read that directory can screw mysql ovedr anyway |
| [01:15:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | Dagmar: I want to watch a 16:9 program in a window, but the frontend assumes 4:3 ratio, even if I set the resolution of the window to a 16:9 ratio... |
| [01:15:37] | hachi: | I'm just saying how debian officially does it |
| [01:15:40] | d0netsFN: | ok i changed to 0.0.0.0 |
| [01:15:44] | hachi: | not trying to say that your way is wrong |
| [01:15:46] | d0netsFN: | like i said i had put 192.168.1.46 |
| [01:15:47] | hachi: | d0netsFN: restart mysql |
| [01:15:50] | Dagmar: | I know |
| [01:15:52] | hachi: | /etc/init.d/mysql restart |
| [01:16:21] | Dagmar: | J-e-f-f-A: There's probably something in the frontend setup menus gto override it but I couldn't say where that would be |
| [01:16:34] | d0netsFN: | i got an error |
| [01:16:34] | d0netsFN: | one sec |
| [01:16:54] | Dagmar: | "changed" to 0.0.0.0? |
| [01:17:06] | Dagmar: | You should not need to specify any interface |
| [01:17:21] | d0netsFN: | http://pastebin.com/m5827968d |
| [01:17:50] | Dagmar: | OKay so UNDO what you did to make my.cnf world-writeablke |
| [01:17:54] | Dagmar: | That was a big mistake |
| [01:17:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | Dag... Ah, found it" Video Aspect Override" I think... ;-) |
| [01:18:04] | d0netsFN: | huh? |
| [01:18:34] | Dagmar: | d0tnets: It's telling hyou outright it will IGNORE the config file if it's world-writeable because any jackass on the system could put awful things in there |
| [01:18:38] | hachi: | chmod 700 /etc/mysql/debian.cnf |
| [01:18:40] | Dagmar: | chmod it 6500 |
| [01:18:43] | Dagmar: | er 600 |
| [01:18:48] | hachi: | eep |
| [01:18:49] | hachi: | 600 |
| [01:18:50] | hachi: | yeah |
| [01:19:02] | d0netsFN: | ok but leave it at 0's? |
| [01:19:04] | hachi: | chown root:root /etc/mysql/debian.cnf; chmod 600 /etc/mysql/debian.cnf |
| [01:19:15] | Dagmar: | Or chmod 600 /etc/mysql/* |
| [01:19:19] | d0netsFN: | its my.cnf |
| [01:19:20] | hachi: | chown root:root /etc/mysql/my.cnf; chmod 644 /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| [01:19:38] | Dagmar: | or um... go-w |
| [01:19:54] | hachi: | 600 for all is wrong |
| [01:20:00] | d0netsFN: | sudo chmod 600 /etc/mysql/* |
| [01:20:01] | d0netsFN: | i did that |
| [01:20:09] | hachi: | hurray for ignoring me |
| [01:20:22] | Dagmar: | OKay, so thqat should make it shut up about the world-writeability and stop giving that error |
| [01:20:33] | hachi: | except on debian mysql runs as user 'mysql' |
| [01:20:37] | d0netsFN: | so do this |
| [01:20:39] | d0netsFN: | chown root:root /etc/mysql/my.cnf; chmod 644 /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| [01:20:40] | hachi: | so it won't be able to read its own config |
| [01:20:46] | hachi: | there you go |
| [01:21:04] | d0netsFN: | sudo chown root:root /etc/mysql/my.cnf; chmod 644 /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| [01:21:04] | d0netsFN: | chmod: changing permissions of `/etc/mysql/my.cnf': Operation not permitted |
| [01:21:04] | Dagmar: | Unless they're starting it with su to force the uid, it should read the config and then change uids on it's own |
| [01:21:22] | hachi: | now the actual error is about mysqladmin being unable to connect to mysql |
| [01:21:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | Dagmar: Actually, I had to 'force' it to 4:3 ratio, and it made it fuill the window (1280x720 resolution) ;-) |
| [01:21:32] | hachi: | rerun the netstat to see if the bind got fixed |
| [01:21:54] | Dagmar: | I never run mysqladmin as anything but root anyway so it wouldn't affect my |
| [01:21:56] | Dagmar: | er me |
| [01:21:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | So that is the top 2/3 of my display, and my irc window is on the bottom 1/3rd. ;-) |
| [01:22:38] | Dagmar: | I believe firmly that the mysql uid has no business doing adminly things |
| [01:22:47] | hachi: | it doesn't on debian |
| [01:23:03] | hachi: | mysqladmin is run as root on debian by the init scripts |
| [01:23:07] | hachi: | that's why debian.cnf is 600 |
| [01:23:08] | d0netsFN: | sudo chown root:root /etc/mysql/my.cnf; chmod 644 /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| [01:23:08] | d0netsFN: | chmod: changing permissions of `/etc/mysql/my.cnf': Operation not permitted |
| [01:23:10] | d0netsFN: | i got that |
| [01:23:15] | hachi: | you're not root |
| [01:23:26] | Dagmar: | d0netsFN: You know it would help if you actually learned how sudo works |
| [01:23:29] | hachi: | despite calling sudo |
| [01:23:31] | Dagmar: | It's NOT magic pixie dust |
| [01:23:32] | hachi: | something is lying |
| [01:23:34] | Dagmar: | It runs ONE command |
| [01:23:36] | Dagmar: | Not two |
| [01:23:46] | Dagmar: | \Youre running sudo blah |
| [01:23:49] | Dagmar: | and then just blah |
| [01:23:53] | Dagmar: | ..because of that semicolon |
| [01:24:02] | Dagmar: | ...so the second command will fail |
| [01:24:03] | hachi: | actually this is shell semantics |
| [01:24:04] | hachi: | not sudo |
| [01:24:16] | hachi: | so telling them to learn how to work sudo is wrong... it's how to work the shell |
| [01:24:38] | Dagmar: | Yeah but if he knew sudo wasn't magic pixie dust he might realize it's not just sucking up the whole line |
| [01:25:04] | Dagmar: | ...and ubuntu has a bad tendency to represent it as magix pixie dust |
| [01:25:05] | d0netsFN: | ok so i broke it into 2 command |
| [01:25:11] | Dagmar: | yeah |
| [01:25:21] | d0netsFN: | i still got permission denied when i tried to restart mysql |
| [01:25:35] | hachi: | note how the useing password says 'NO' |
| [01:25:41] | Dagmar: | So what specific error did it cough up this time? |
| [01:25:45] | hachi: | I bet /etc/mysql/debian.cnf is missing the password line or something |
| [01:26:09] | Dagmar: | You're probably right |
| [01:26:24] | hachi: | I am a little puzzled how it can end up in this condition |
| [01:26:31] | Dagmar: | OKay. Coffee is cold, temperature is dropping fast, and I'm on the scooter tonight |
| [01:26:34] | hachi: | a default mysql install should've taken care of that |
| [01:26:42] | Dagmar: | I gotta roll before my giggleberries freeze off on the ride home |
| [01:26:43] | d0netsFN: | it has a password |
| [01:26:58] | d0netsFN: | twice |
| [01:27:03] | d0netsFN: | theres a client section |
| [01:27:07] | d0netsFN: | and a mysql_upgrade section |
| [01:27:14] | d0netsFN: | theres user, pass, socket, and basedir in each |
| [01:27:17] | d0netsFN: | all have something set |
| [01:27:30] | Dagmar: | So pastebin the error |
| [01:27:36] | hachi: | yeah, that's normal |
| [01:27:40] | Dagmar: | I gotta run. Back in about 25m |
| [01:28:12] | hachi: | did you modify your /etc/init.d/mysql ? |
| [01:28:23] | d0netsFN: | http://pastebin.com/m246a8b0 |
| [01:28:38] | d0netsFN: | no |
| [01:28:54] | hachi: | check that file |
| [01:29:03] | hachi: | near the top should be a MYADMIN definition |
| [01:29:18] | hachi: | should say --defaults-file=/etc/mysql/debian.cnf, right? |
| [01:29:22] | d0netsFN: | MYADMIN="/usr/bin/mysqladmin --defaults-file=/etc/mysql/debian.cnf" |
| [01:29:37] | hachi: | can you check permissions of /etc/mysql ? |
| [01:30:00] | d0netsFN: | how do i check permissions? |
| [01:30:06] | hachi: | stat /etc/mysql |
| [01:30:11] | hachi: | pastebin that |
| [01:31:00] | d0netsFN: | http://pastebin.com/m4263c53 |
| [01:31:16] | hachi: | no |
| [01:31:21] | hachi: | that's the files in that directory |
| [01:31:26] | hachi: | I want the permissions of the directory |
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| [01:31:51] | d0netsFN: | oh |
| [01:31:58] | hachi: | when a person says `stat /etc/mysql |
| [01:32:03] | hachi: | don't convert it into stat * |
| [01:32:42] | d0netsFN: | k sorry |
| [01:32:43] | d0netsFN: | http://pastebin.com/m7de36114 |
| [01:32:57] | hachi: | whoah |
| [01:33:10] | hachi: | did you do a chmod -R 777 on /etc/mysql |
| [01:33:16] | d0netsFN: | i dont think so |
| [01:33:22] | hachi: | well, someone or something did |
| [01:33:31] | hachi: | and I've never had part of debian do that to me |
| [01:33:34] | d0netsFN: | what should i chmod it to |
| [01:33:40] | hachi: | chmod 755 /etc/mysql |
| [01:33:42] | hachi: | no -R |
| [01:34:07] | hachi: | this probably won't fix it... but you could try |
| [01:34:18] | hachi: | I'm 99% sure it won't |
| [01:34:36] | hachi: | edit /etc/init.d/mysql |
| [01:34:39] | d0netsFN: | nah permission denied again |
| [01:34:45] | hachi: | sudo |
| [01:34:55] | hachi: | add 'set -x' as the second line in /etc/init.d/mysql |
| [01:35:02] | d0netsFN: | well no im saying when i tried to restart mysql |
| [01:35:06] | d0netsFN: | i got permission denied again |
| [01:35:07] | hachi: | oh |
| [01:35:13] | hachi: | well, do the set -x thing |
| [01:35:23] | hachi: | and restart again and pastebin the last part you can see |
| [01:36:01] | hachi: | heh, my mythtv is taking a lot more than 8 minutes to build |
| [01:36:12] | hachi: | iamlindoro: I'm guessing you're on some fast core box? |
| [01:36:59] | iamlindoro: | I compile on fast boxes, but the 7:23 was a joke about how it's variable for everyone, but since you wanted a precise sounding number I just quoted one ;) |
| [01:37:08] | hachi: | oh |
| [01:37:13] | hachi: | I was looking for a ballpark |
| [01:37:23] | hachi: | cause like... compiling Xorg and friends can take like a day or two |
| [01:37:24] | iamlindoro: | It could be 10 minutes or two hours |
| [01:37:37] | hachi: | ahh, no... thanks |
| [01:37:49] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, won't be days most likely |
| [01:37:59] | d0netsFN: | http://pastebin.com/m1c9adda9 |
| [01:38:01] | iamlindoro: | Presuming you're not running on something genuinely ancient |
| [01:38:07] | d0netsFN: | permission denied, but it looks way different |
| [01:38:11] | hachi: | P4 xen 'space heater' |
| [01:38:13] | hachi: | xeon |
| [01:38:25] | hachi: | well... xen on a xeon... but that won't kill my CPU too badly for compilation |
| [01:38:39] | iamlindoro: | You've chmod'ed /etc/mysql 777 |
| [01:38:46] | hachi: | OH! |
| [01:38:54] | iamlindoro: | Did you just run chmod -R 777 / or something? |
| [01:38:55] | hachi: | no, we just undid that |
| [01:39:01] | hachi: | so, here's the lesson |
| [01:39:09] | iamlindoro: | Warning: World-writable config file '/etc/mysql/conf.d/mythtv.cnf' is ignored |
| [01:39:16] | hachi: | back when I said to not do chmod on /etc/mysql/* |
| [01:39:22] | hachi: | iamlindoro: long past that already |
| [01:39:30] | hachi: | and you did that chmod with the shell glob anyways |
| [01:39:33] | hachi: | that broke it |
| [01:39:34] | iamlindoro: | Not according to his current pastebin |
| [01:39:49] | hachi: | we keep fixing it then, and something keeps breaking it |
| [01:39:58] | hachi: | d0netsFN: ls -asl /etc/mysql/ |
| [01:40:02] | hachi: | pastebin that right now |
| [01:40:05] | hachi: | er |
| [01:40:12] | hachi: | I mean... pastebin the exact current state |
| [01:40:25] | hachi: | I'm not trying to say 'right now, hurry up...' sorta context |
| [01:40:53] | hachi: | I think... I think I know what needs to be done |
| [01:41:13] | hachi: | sudo find /etc/mysql -type d -exec chmod 755 '{}' \; |
| [01:41:13] | d0netsFN: | http://pastebin.com/m2f7c1510 |
| [01:41:23] | hachi: | sudo find /etc/mysql -type d -exec chown root:root '{}' \; |
| [01:41:45] | hachi: | sudo find /etc/mysql -type f -exec chmod 644 '{}' \; |
| [01:41:55] | hachi: | sudo find /etc/mysql -type f -exec chown root:root '{}' \; |
| [01:42:07] | hachi: | sudo chmod 600 /etc/mysql/debian.cnf |
| [01:42:18] | hachi: | those 5... while not the prettiest in the world |
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| [01:42:23] | hachi: | should bring everything into line |
| [01:42:54] | hachi: | oh, one more |
| [01:43:01] | hachi: | sudo chmod 755 /etc/mysql/debian-start |
| [01:43:39] | hachi: | yeah, that brings everything into line with how debian configures it by default |
| [01:43:42] | d0netsFN: | woohoo that let me restart |
| [01:43:45] | hachi: | remove the set -x |
| [01:43:51] | hachi: | and there should be no warnings or errors |
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| [01:44:50] | msaul_: | I was wondering if there is a way to remove cut points already assigned by system when recorded? |
| [01:45:24] | d0netsFN: | damnit |
| [01:45:36] | d0netsFN: | that worked for restart mysql |
| [01:45:49] | hachi: | now |
| [01:45:51] | d0netsFN: | but when i try to use the frontend it still says cannot login to database |
| [01:45:55] | hachi: | okay |
| [01:46:07] | hachi: | so do the `netstat -ltn | grep 3306` again |
| [01:46:14] | hachi: | let's see if the bind-address took |
| [01:47:16] | d0netsFN: | netstat -ltn | grep 3306 |
| [01:47:16] | d0netsFN: | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:3306 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN |
| [01:47:19] | hachi: | yup |
| [01:47:23] | hachi: | so that part is fine |
| [01:47:51] | d0netsFN: | what am i supposed to be entering in the frontend |
| [01:48:12] | hachi: | frontend is possibly fine, have you looked at mysql.txt on the frontend to make sure the password is set correct? |
| [01:49:36] | d0netsFN: | yea its the same as the one on my desktop |
| [01:50:20] | d0netsFN: | do i put 192.168.1.46 (desktops ip) ? |
| [01:50:24] | hachi: | yup |
| [01:53:03] | ** d0netsFN sighs ** | |
| [01:53:06] | d0netsFN: | any other idears |
| [01:53:13] | hachi: | oh, yeah |
| [01:53:14] | hachi: | sorry |
| [01:53:18] | hachi: | I thought you were checking that |
| [01:53:42] | hachi: | I would get into the mysql server as root |
| [01:53:47] | hachi: | and issue something like |
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| [01:54:23] | hachi: | GRANT ALL ON mythconverg.* TO 'mythtv'@'%' IDENTIFIED BY 'password'; |
| [01:54:30] | hachi: | where password is that password you should know |
| [01:54:34] | hachi: | but I don't want to know :) |
| [01:54:51] | d0netsFN: | ok so password is that my regular password |
| [01:54:59] | d0netsFN: | or is that my password that is in mysql.txt |
| [01:55:01] | hachi: | the password in mysql.txt on the frontend |
| [01:55:51] | d0netsFN: | ok |
| [01:56:05] | d0netsFN: | now restart mysql again? |
| [01:56:08] | hachi: | no |
| [01:56:16] | hachi: | GRANT commands are taken immediately |
| [01:56:26] | hachi: | try the frontend, if it fails then we do more :) |
| [01:56:35] | d0netsFN: | yea it failed |
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| [01:56:40] | hachi: | on the frontend do |
| [01:56:52] | hachi: | mysql -u mythtv -p -h 192.168.whatever |
| [01:56:56] | hachi: | er |
| [01:56:59] | hachi: | mysql -u mythtv -p -h 192.168.whatever mythconverg |
| [01:57:03] | d0netsFN: | so wait on my laptop do that? |
| [01:57:06] | hachi: | yes |
| [01:57:18] | hachi: | and put in that password from mysql.txt |
| [01:58:33] | hachi: | yow, cc1plus is taking up 150MB of ram to run |
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| [01:58:44] | d0netsFN: | ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'192.168.1.46' (using password: YES) |
| [02:00:29] | hachi: | on the mysql server |
| [02:00:46] | hachi: | do a "use root" |
| [02:00:51] | hachi: | and then select * FROM user; |
| [02:00:59] | hachi: | and pastebin that... there's something getting in the way |
| [02:01:16] | hachi: | you can garble the password column so none of us can see the actual value |
| [02:01:42] | d0netsFN: | from user |
| [02:01:45] | d0netsFN: | do i change that to something |
| [02:01:48] | d0netsFN: | or leave it as user |
| [02:02:14] | hachi: | eep |
| [02:02:16] | hachi: | not use root |
| [02:02:19] | hachi: | 'use mysql' |
| [02:02:24] | hachi: | and leave user as 'user' |
| [02:02:35] | hachi: | we're trying to look at the mysql.user table |
| [02:03:55] | d0netsFN: | http://pastebin.com/m161b7e27 |
| [02:04:47] | hachi: | let's try that again... |
| [02:04:58] | d0netsFN: | eh? |
| [02:05:08] | hachi: | SELECT Host, User, length(Password) AS pwdlen FROM user; |
| [02:05:26] | d0netsFN: | ok and password should be the one from mysql.txt? |
| [02:05:29] | hachi: | yeah |
| [02:05:31] | hachi: | no |
| [02:05:31] | Dagmar: | There's stuff in the MySQL docs about this |
| [02:05:35] | hachi: | Password is literal |
| [02:05:45] | hachi: | I'm just trying to make the pastebin look decent |
| [02:05:51] | hachi: | trying to grab the User and host colulmns |
| [02:05:59] | hachi: | but I care about whether a password is set |
| [02:06:01] | Dagmar: | Whatcha wan' bet the default ACL is mythtv@127.0.0.1 or something equally deranged |
| [02:06:18] | hachi: | Dagmar: already issued a Grant |
| [02:06:28] | Dagmar: | Ah |
| [02:06:34] | Dagmar: | Didja remember to flush? |
| [02:06:36] | Dagmar: | :) |
| [02:06:40] | hachi: | GRANT doesn't require flush |
| [02:06:46] | hachi: | flush is for if you modify the tables manually |
| [02:06:52] | Dagmar: | AH okay |
| [02:07:07] | d0netsFN: | http://pastebin.com/m43b56ec |
| [02:07:23] | Dagmar: | Yep. 55F is just about the point where riding the scooter becomes unpleasant due to windchill |
| [02:07:30] | hachi: | DELETE FROM user WHERE Host = '192.168.1.%' and User = 'mythtv'; |
| [02:07:36] | hachi: | FLUSH PRIVILEGES; |
| [02:07:49] | hachi: | and try again |
| [02:08:10] | hachi: | try the frontend, I mean |
| [02:08:12] | Dagmar: | Why ya havin' him ditch that one but leave the localhost one? |
| [02:08:22] | Dagmar: | The internal life of mysql is something I'm still learning |
| [02:08:23] | hachi: | localhost is fine |
| [02:08:37] | Dagmar: | Yeah but it'll be masked by the % one |
| [02:08:45] | hachi: | password is the same |
| [02:08:48] | hachi: | and I don't care |
| [02:08:53] | Dagmar: | ...so it's not exactly needed either, unless localhost is treated entirely differently |
| [02:08:59] | Dagmar: | k |
| [02:09:17] | hachi: | actually line 8 might override the localhost line |
| [02:09:19] | hachi: | if you remove it |
| [02:09:25] | hachi: | so it might be necessary to keep it |
| [02:09:26] | Dagmar: | You know... at some point he might want to set a password for the root mysql user. |
| [02:09:35] | d0netsFN: | woohoo it didnt say cannot login to database |
| [02:09:37] | d0netsFN: | but i hit watch tv |
| [02:09:37] | Dagmar: | Pretty sure pwdlen of 0 == bad |
| [02:09:40] | d0netsFN: | and nothin hapened |
| [02:09:45] | d0netsFN: | its like the frontend froze |
| [02:09:58] | hachi: | now you get to ask people who are not me to help you |
| [02:10:00] | hachi: | I know mysql |
| [02:10:03] | Dagmar: | Okay so now we find out why the frontend can't talk to the backend |
| [02:10:06] | d0netsFN: | lol |
| [02:10:06] | hachi: | mythtv is a little mystery to me :) |
| [02:10:25] | d0netsFN: | yea i cant lie, it has been a bit tricky |
| [02:10:25] | Dagmar: | hachi: This is good. Generally there's at least one whole clue in the channel if you put everyone together |
| [02:10:39] | d0netsFN: | it has been alot of learning and work to get it all working |
| [02:10:41] | KungFuJesus: | ok so I'm pretty sure the mythtv build I'm using isn't compatible with the kernel's latest DVB API |
| [02:10:44] | Dagmar: | d0netsFN: Well, there's a degree to which this is way easier when it just gets set up right the first time around |
| [02:10:52] | hachi: | the mysql developers are awesome guys :) |
| [02:10:58] | Dagmar: | ...so part of the trouble is you're having to do twice as much stuff. |
| [02:11:05] | KungFuJesus: | I could be wrong, but I get a lot of modulation problems when myth is trying to interface with the LG_330dtx frontend |
| [02:11:08] | Dagmar: | The first half being undoing the wrong stuff and the second half being putting in the right stuff. |
| [02:11:35] | Dagmar: | KungFuJesus: that's nice. What's a "LG_330dtx"? |
| [02:11:43] | KungFuJesus: | a kernel module |
| [02:12:01] | Dagmar: | "wrong stuff" being wrong by virtue of it's not what we want now, not that it was wholly incorrect or something |
| [02:12:18] | Dagmar: | KungFuJesus: Another "that's nice". |
| [02:12:40] | Dagmar: | I'm assuming a better answer would have been "the driver for my tuner card"? |
| [02:12:51] | KungFuJesus: | cx88-dvb, it's a pchdtv 5500 |
| [02:13:02] | Dagmar: | Doh. I'm not your man for thta |
| [02:13:08] | Dagmar: | DVB is not my friend. |
| [02:13:14] | KungFuJesus: | the weird thing is I have another computer as a backend and frontend which works perfectly |
| [02:13:21] | KungFuJesus: | same kernel |
| [02:13:24] | KungFuJesus: | practically same build |
| [02:13:25] | Dagmar: | It has the exact same card? |
| [02:13:27] | KungFuJesus: | yep |
| [02:13:29] | KungFuJesus: | two of them, to be precise |
| [02:13:38] | Dagmar: | Hmm... on general principle you should learn how to packagize stuff. |
| [02:13:40] | KungFuJesus: | nearly identical kernel configs |
| [02:13:57] | Dagmar: | Then you'd only need to build the kernel once, and then kick the installable to the other machine as well |
| [02:14:17] | KungFuJesus: | yeah, I probably could do that, although this one uses ext4 the other reiser |
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| [02:14:29] | Dagmar: | That doesn't actually matter. |
| [02:14:38] | KungFuJesus: | it does when you don't build the modules for them :-p |
| [02:15:11] | Dagmar: | Well, if you're using an initrd that goes away, but I don't even bother with that becasue it makes things disproportionally more complex for a small number of machines |
| [02:15:18] | KungFuJesus: | aynthing relating to DVB in the kernel is identical |
| [02:15:20] | Dagmar: | Keep in mind that modules you don't use take up 0 memory. |
| [02:15:29] | hachi: | I wonder if I can hotplug ram into my mythtv build box |
| [02:15:31] | ** hachi tries ** | |
| [02:15:36] | KungFuJesus: | understood, but initrd are such a pain to package |
| [02:15:44] | Dagmar: | ...so if you build the modules for both filesystems (with an initrd) or just build support for both filesystems directly into the kernel, the problem isn't much |
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| [02:16:01] | Dagmar: | hachi: Why don't you see how well the ram works as a salsa scoop first |
| [02:16:12] | hachi: | ramscoop? |
| [02:16:12] | KungFuJesus: | I could do it with genkernel, it would be ideal for that |
| [02:16:14] | Dagmar: | ...cuz at least one of the two activities might result in tastiness. |
| [02:16:26] | Dagmar: | Hot-installing RAM is a bad bad idea |
| [02:16:38] | hachi: | sure, when it's not designed to do it |
| [02:16:46] | Dagmar: | KungFuJesus: Yeah I don't use an initrd often for that very reason |
| [02:16:49] | d0netsFN: | wewt |
| [02:16:51] | d0netsFN: | its workin |
| [02:16:51] | Dagmar: | It's extra steps that aren't always needed |
| [02:16:52] | KungFuJesus: | the error looks like so [ 275.452006] lgdt330x: lgdt3303_read_status: Modulation set to unsupported val |
| [02:17:13] | KungFuJesus: | ue |
| [02:17:40] | Dagmar: | hachi: I've not noticed you mentioning your yacht or your country club, so it's probably a safe bet you're not using a motherboard that provides for hot-swapping those kinds of components. |
| [02:17:58] | KungFuJesus: | the only difference is that the last time I built mythtv for that machine was with an older kernel. It must have been built behind incompatible headers :-p |
| [02:18:14] | Dagmar: | I've met one admin that didn't know you couldn't do that on a desktop tho. |
| [02:18:18] | Dagmar: | I wanted to slap hi, |
| [02:18:25] | Dagmar: | s/hi,/him/; |
| [02:18:31] | Dagmar: | Such a spoiled b******d he is |
| [02:18:33] | KungFuJesus: | hmmm, messing with the header file to force it to compile must have been my issue all along. *sigh* |
| [02:18:49] | d0netsFN: | weird |
| [02:18:51] | d0netsFN: | this is way delayed |
| [02:18:55] | Dagmar: | KungFuJesus: Whoa. Are you *ever* typing in `make install-headers`? |
| [02:19:02] | d0netsFN: | i just hit watch tv |
| [02:19:08] | d0netsFN: | and its showing the halftime report for the game |
| [02:19:12] | KungFuJesus: | oh they're installed |
| [02:19:19] | d0netsFN: | when its really 11:24 in the 4th |
| [02:19:21] | Dagmar: | KungFuJesus: No, are you *ever* running that command? |
| [02:19:22] | KungFuJesus: | the dvb-headers are a package for my distro, they're there |
| [02:19:27] | KungFuJesus: | nope |
| [02:19:30] | Dagmar: | Okay. Good. |
| [02:19:43] | Dagmar: | Some people get the idea they need to update their headers when they install a new kernel. |
| [02:19:46] | Dagmar: | This is entirely insane. |
| [02:20:04] | KungFuJesus: | I let the ebuild maintainers decide when that's important |
| [02:20:15] | Dagmar: | There's one guy over on the LinuxQuestions forum who refused to believe you shouldn't do that, when people with about 200 years of Linux experience combined were telling him |
| [02:20:30] | Dagmar: | ...and he wondered why his machine always had the strangest of errors |
| [02:20:32] | hachi: | awww, I have to reboot to set the mem maximum |
| [02:20:50] | hachi: | I can hot swap ram or add ram if I've already planned for it |
| [02:21:05] | Dagmar: | What motherboard have you got there? |
| [02:21:18] | KungFuJesus: | hmm, looks like a change to the .28 headers is actually necessary to build that kernel |
| [02:21:24] | Dagmar: | Hot-swapping RAM isn't something you do on typical x86 hardware |
| [02:21:27] | hachi: | xen is providing my virtual hardware :) |
| [02:21:30] | KungFuJesus: | I think I may need to emerge a slotted version of those packages |
| [02:21:30] | Dagmar: | OH |
| [02:21:36] | Dagmar: | hehe |
| [02:21:43] | Dagmar: | VMs can't spark and flame out. |
| [02:21:45] | hachi: | I'm running a supermicro something |
| [02:21:53] | KungFuJesus: | RS/6000 mainframe ftw :-p |
| [02:21:56] | hachi: | I can't remember what... it's a dual space heater model |
| [02:22:01] | KungFuJesus: | alright, I have an idea that will probably work |
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| [02:22:14] | Dagmar: | Yeah, the admin I was talking about had *only* done hardware stuff on big iron machines |
| [02:22:16] | d0netsFN: | hey dagmar any idea why i cant watch my videos and such? |
| [02:22:24] | d0netsFN: | all i see is the live tv and recorded tv |
| [02:22:25] | Dagmar: | d0netsFN: TV facing the wall? |
| [02:22:29] | Dagmar: | OH! |
| [02:22:32] | d0netsFN: | lol |
| [02:22:33] | d0netsFN: | nice |
| [02:22:34] | Dagmar: | That's an easy one with an annoying solution |
| [02:22:36] | d0netsFN: | no |
| [02:22:40] | KungFuJesus: | the dvb tools by linuxtv actually work |
| [02:23:06] | Dagmar: | So the deal is pretty much exactly that MythVideo keeps in the database the absolute path location to the video file, and that's how it reads it... with an open() |
| [02:23:42] | Dagmar: | i.e., it plays '/mnt/bigdisk/videoz/brokebackmountaindvdrip.avi' |
| [02:24:06] | Dagmar: | If you want remote frontends to be able to play those things, you have to NFS or SMB-mount that part of the backend's filesystem in the same place on your remote frontend |
| [02:24:50] | Dagmar: | MythVideo doesn't play *through* the backend like the core frontend bits do |
| [02:25:34] | Dagmar: | It would solve that problem to make it do that, but incur a MUCH larger problem if it did, in that the backend would suddenly need to be able to make at least a little sense of every video format |
| [02:25:39] | KungFuJesus: | I wish someone would just make an up to date ebuild of mythtv that works with the newer kernel |
| [02:26:55] | Dagmar: | Just gotta be patient |
| [02:27:34] | Dagmar: | Over the years you will either learn patience for binary packaging people, or you'll go bald really fast |
| [02:28:03] | d0netsFN: | ok wait |
| [02:28:09] | d0netsFN: | in newb terms that all means what? |
| [02:28:25] | Dagmar: | 'cuz let's say you're a guy building binary packages of something, and release an update which happens to have a regression that no one notices until a week later. |
| [02:28:33] | d0netsFN: | i cant watch the videos from the laptop? |
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| [02:28:46] | Dagmar: | You still get sufficient quantities of MANY people contacting you like you, personally, destroyed their kid's dance video. |
| [02:29:17] | Dagmar: | d0netsFN: It means you get to set up either Samba or NFS on your backend and share your videos directory out on the local network |
| [02:30:09] | Dagmar: | If you're planning on using Samba and have never done it before, for god's sake get SWAT running to help with it |
| [02:30:27] | d0netsFN: | twat? |
| [02:30:30] | d0netsFN: | swat*? |
| [02:30:31] | Dagmar: | Samba's config file isn't something newbies should attempt to manually create or edit. |
| [02:30:35] | d0netsFN: | is that in the repos? |
| [02:30:40] | Dagmar: | SWAT stands for Samba Web Administration Tool |
| [02:30:40] | ** d0netsFN apt-cache searches ** | |
| [02:30:44] | d0netsFN: | oh i see |
| [02:30:48] | Dagmar: | If you installed Samba, it should have installed SWAT |
| [02:31:10] | Dagmar: | See if something answers when you open a browser to http://yermythtvbox:901 |
| [02:31:28] | Dagmar: | If not (and Samba is in fact installed) then we've got to prod something to enable it |
| [02:32:20] | iamlindoro: | Hahaha, this is why we don't manually poke at our databases, kids, I just cleared coverart for the whole library |
| [02:32:32] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: LOL |
| [02:32:36] | Dagmar: | backup restore time |
| [02:32:41] | iamlindoro: | thankfully :) |
| [02:32:50] | Dagmar: | Aren't you glad it makes periodic snapshots |
| [02:33:02] | iamlindoro: | It doesn't, but I do |
| [02:33:17] | iamlindoro: | Myth only backs up the DB when the schema changes |
| [02:33:20] | Dagmar: | Oh. Mine does. I thought other distros had the things rigged to do it as well |
| [02:33:40] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: Well, your last schema change was how long ago? |
| [02:33:51] | iamlindoro: | Long ago |
| [02:33:54] | d0netsFN: | ok i installed samba |
| [02:33:58] | d0netsFN: | and went to ip:901 |
| [02:33:58] | Dagmar: | If you didn't have a backup you made yourself you should be able to ferret some data out of there |
| [02:34:00] | d0netsFN: | i got nada |
| [02:34:07] | iamlindoro: | not to mention Myth schema and my schema differ somewhat ATM :) |
| [02:34:15] | Dagmar: | d0netsFN: Okay, so we need to prod xinitd or whatever your system uses |
| [02:34:27] | Dagmar: | Umm... do a `ps -aux | grep init` and pastebin it |
| [02:34:45] | Dagmar: | der no sorry, s/init/inet/; |
| [02:34:47] | d0netsFN: | swat wasnt installed |
| [02:34:57] | d0netsFN: | im in stalling it now |
| [02:35:16] | Dagmar: | God why on earth... Well, I guess if they want to slice everything so thinly it's their right |
| [02:36:59] | Dagmar: | Anyway, you can almost faceroll your way through SWAT if you are familar with windows networking |
| [02:37:25] | Dagmar: | Hrm... um... "faceroll" meaning to do something by just rolling your face on the keyboard until something happens |
| [02:37:25] | d0netsFN: | hey dumb question |
| [02:37:29] | d0netsFN: | how the F do i get out of a man page |
| [02:37:44] | Dagmar: | Press 'q' |
| [02:37:54] | d0netsFN: | lol thanks |
| [02:38:00] | Dagmar: | I had to check because I don't even think about it anymore. |
| [02:38:03] | d0netsFN: | i always just closed the terminal, thats good to know |
| [02:38:13] | Dagmar: | My fingers just hit the key without me thinking about it |
| [02:39:11] | d0netsFN: | do i need to run swat or what |
| [02:39:15] | Dagmar: | No. |
| [02:39:22] | Dagmar: | It's a browser interface |
| [02:39:27] | Dagmar: | It pretends to be a web server basically. |
| [02:39:37] | Dagmar: | You just point your browser at the machine on port 901 |
| [02:39:56] | Dagmar: | This is actually one of the things HTTP was built with in mind |
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| [02:40:15] | Dagmar: | If it doesn't show up, we just have to enable it in xinetd |
| [02:40:52] | Dagmar: | ...but if they sliced it out into it's own package, they should have considered it reasonable to assume that if you installed it you wanted it ON so we probably won't have to deal with that |
| [02:42:29] | d0netsFN: | well i get nada at 901 |
| [02:43:18] | Dagmar: | Okay, so the next question would be "is your machine using xinetd or inetd" which can be answered with `ps -ax| grep inet` |
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| [02:43:36] | d0netsFN: | im not sure, i have other web UI's running fine |
| [02:43:55] | d0netsFN: | FILES |
| [02:43:55] | d0netsFN: | /etc/inetd.conf |
| [02:43:55] | d0netsFN: | This file must contain suitable startup information for the meta-daemon. |
| [02:44:01] | d0netsFN: | thats in the swat man page |
| [02:44:37] | Dagmar: | Good for you. |
| [02:44:41] | Dagmar: | I already told you how to find out tho |
| [02:44:45] | Dagmar: | Run the command |
| [02:47:26] | d0netsFN: | ps aux | grep s/init/inet/ |
| [02:47:26] | d0netsFN: | hebs 22822 0.0 0.0 3236 812 pts/1 S+ 20:47 0:00 grep s/init/inet/ |
| [02:47:27] | d0netsFN: | that? |
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| [02:47:53] | Dagmar: | *sigh* |
| [02:48:00] | d0netsFN: | sorry i think i did that wrong |
| [02:48:17] | Dagmar: | "s/init/inet/" is seddish for "where I said init a moment ago, assume I meant inet." |
| [02:48:28] | Dagmar: | You'll see it often on IRC in tech channels. |
| [02:48:35] | Dagmar: | So, `ps -ax | grep inet` |
| [02:48:51] | Dagmar: | I didnt realize you wouldn't recognize seddish |
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| [02:49:38] | mersault: | I have an HDHR, I just got home, and I want to tune into what's left of the superbowl. I have it recording on tuner 0, but I'm just trying tune into the same channel on tuner 1 |
| [02:50:27] | Dagmar: | So you realize you can actually go and tell it to play the recording that's *in progress* from whatever point you like |
| [02:50:30] | d0netsFN: | $ ps aux | grep inet |
| [02:50:30] | d0netsFN: | hebs 23183 0.0 0.0 3236 808 pts/1 S+ 20:50 0:00 grep inet |
| [02:50:45] | Dagmar: | Including telling it to start as close to current as it can, which is what liveTV mode actualyl does |
| [02:50:48] | mersault: | but it's giving me a lot of grief. it shows a black picture and says I should have gotten a signal lock. I change the channel and I can see the video, but then it says again I should have gottena signal lock |
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| [02:51:10] | Dagmar: | d0netsFN: Okay, so is there an inetd or xinetd package you probably didn't install? |
| [02:51:33] | Dagmar: | Because basically, stuff like this are generally started through the 'superserver' |
| [02:51:36] | mersault: | problem is, this is affecting all video on the second tuner, not just fox. |
| [02:51:38] | Dagmar: | ...which is what inetd and xinetd do |
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| [02:52:42] | d0netsFN: | ok i install xinetd |
| [02:53:22] | d0netsFN: | ok nice im in swat |
| [02:57:49] | Dagmar: | Cool |
| [02:59:15] | d0netsFN: | now twat do i do with swat |
| [02:59:23] | d0netsFN: | or lemme try to tinker first |
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| [03:03:31] | Dagmar: | Hint: For this you really only need to worry about anonymous, guest access, because MythVideo doesn't need to write |
| [03:04:00] | d0netsFN: | damn yall watching the game? |
| [03:04:04] | d0netsFN: | i hate football |
| [03:04:05] | Dagmar: | There's a wizard tab that can make it even simpler than doing the same thing in Windows |
| [03:04:07] | d0netsFN: | but this was intense |
| [03:04:47] | Dagmar: | I'm just going to wait for the 3D bits to hit torrent sites |
| [03:04:55] | d0netsFN: | lol |
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| [03:05:15] | Dagmar: | Not that I want to "pirate" them or anything, but I didn't remember to set the PVR to record the thing so I could watch those parts |
| [03:05:31] | Dagmar: | ...and this is assuming I can't find the stuff on the proper websites before the night is out |
| [03:05:37] | Dagmar: | I don't think those companies would be that thick about it |
| [03:06:09] | Dagmar: | I have no problem with watching commercials so long as I don't have to muck about with torrents. |
| [03:07:11] | Dagmar: | I'm kinda peeved that the clip they have on NBC's site for the new "3D episode of Chuck" *isn't* actually in 3D |
| [03:07:19] | Dagmar: | ...but parts of the _commercial_ are |
| [03:07:22] | Dagmar: | Go figure |
| [03:07:33] | clever: | those bastards! |
| [03:07:51] | Dagmar: | Seems like someone in the promotions dept dropped the ball there |
| [03:08:39] | clever: | see if you can sue them! |
| [03:09:15] | Dagmar: | I'll just have to remember to deliver the appropriate glare if I ever see these people |
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| [03:16:13] | sandeen: | huh, I have 2 HD tuner cards, was watching live tv and it kicked me off to record another show. Why didn't it use the other tuner ... |
| [03:16:49] | Dagmar: | because there's a setting for that which is not on by default |
| [03:18:03] | kambei: | Allow LiveTV to move/reschedule recordings. |
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| [03:18:59] | sandeen: | ok, will check that out, thanks. but which part of this constituted a "move" |
| [03:19:07] | sandeen: | did the record schedule specify a tuner? |
| [03:19:08] | ** sandeen checks ** | |
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| [03:20:18] | sandeen: | hm nope |
| [03:20:28] | iamlindoro: | Schedule doesn't need to, when the scheduler sets up the recording it assigns it a tuner |
| [03:20:44] | sandeen: | oh, ok |
| [03:21:04] | sandeen: | guess that makes sense |
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| [03:21:29] | sandeen: | so if I enable that and there's a recording scheduled, will it still ask? |
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| [03:21:45] | kambei: | If there is a conflict. |
| [03:22:07] | kambei: | If two shows are going to record, it will ask what you want to do. |
| [03:22:29] | sandeen: | ok but by default it'd just go to the other tuner |
| [03:22:37] | sandeen: | all right, that sounds good :) this is a backend or frontend setting? |
| [03:22:41] | kambei: | I believe so. |
| [03:22:52] | kambei: | That is a setting that you can change within the front end |
| [03:22:52] | iamlindoro: | set on the frontend |
| [03:22:57] | sandeen: | ok, thanks guys |
| [03:23:37] | kambei: | TV Settings -> General |
| [03:23:45] | kambei: | I think. |
| [03:23:59] | sandeen: | thanks! |
| [03:24:18] | mag0o: | if i have this ota channel info – WLTZ-DT49:52=eng:0:0:3:0:0:0 – can i manually add it to mythtv? |
| [03:24:41] | mag0o: | it locks, but complains of no tables |
| [03:26:12] | wagnerrp: | Dagmar: i even more enjoyed the ad where they say they were transformed into 1D instead of 3D |
| [03:26:33] | wagnerrp: | even though they are still in... 2D |
| [03:26:46] | wagnerrp: | i guess the Chuck writers are not among the grade school graduates |
| [03:27:33] | jamesd: | the 3d commercials were cool, and i'm going to watch "chuck" tomorow because its 3d, and no other reason. |
| [03:27:37] | kambei: | Probably went to the same school as the Chuck audience. |
| [03:27:39] | iamlindoro: | mag0o, That isn't remotely enough information for a channel to work |
| [03:28:04] | iamlindoro: | mag0o, All those zeroes are the reason your MythTV scan is failing-- your provider is reporting bogus information |
| [03:28:38] | wagnerrp: | i spent most of this evening trying to figure out why mythtv was not recording the superbowl |
| [03:28:41] | iamlindoro: | (the "no tables" portion of the message) |
| [03:28:54] | mag0o: | i can tune it with kaffeine, is there a way to grab the info from there? |
| [03:29:01] | jamesd: | that was the best looking 3d i have ever seen, 3d on a 1080i on a 42" 1080p set, rocks.. i never saw a 3d movie in the theater, but it sure beat the hell out of any analog 3d i had ever seen |
| [03:29:03] | wagnerrp: | i figured i ended up with a bugged revision (had just updated) |
| [03:29:26] | wagnerrp: | turns out NBC switched from channel 27 to channel 93 |
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| [03:29:58] | phunyguy: | hmmm |
| [03:30:03] | phunyguy: | anyone ever watch True Blood? |
| [03:32:10] | kambei: | wagnerrp: I think the original listing had it at 6pm, as well. |
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| [03:32:30] | kambei: | kambei: At least, that's what it looked like. |
| [03:37:41] | d0netsFN: | ok could someone help me with swat |
| [03:37:44] | d0netsFN: | i created a share |
| [03:37:56] | d0netsFN: | but when i go to network/places |
| [03:37:58] | d0netsFN: | nothin shows up |
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| [03:40:54] | ColdFyre: | i can't get any sound from the center speaker when not using asound.conf... |
| [03:41:06] | mag0o: | so...use asound.conf :) |
| [03:41:23] | ColdFyre: | but, then only one program at a time cna use the soundcard |
| [03:41:53] | ColdFyre: | and that is requiring me to restart alsa after such applications, it's really not feasible |
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| [03:51:17] | iamlindoro: | set your office recordings to end 15 minutes late if you're making them now, folks |
| [03:51:39] | iamlindoro: | Mythweb->upcoming recordings->Click the recording->Advanced Options->End 15 minutes late |
| [03:52:00] | iamlindoro: | erm, s/upcoming recordings/recorded programs/ sorry |
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| [03:52:26] | iamlindoro: | Since on this one accasion we should all be on the same timing for it |
| [03:52:29] | iamlindoro: | occasion |
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| [04:04:56] | sandeen: | iamlindoro, thanks, almost forgot :) |
| [04:05:31] | sandeen: | hey, is there any way to disable the mythfrontend menu fade transitions? (GL I guess?) |
| [04:05:48] | ColdFyre: | rip center channel audio |
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| [04:06:38] | jams: | sandeen- switch to the qt painter |
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| [04:07:55] | sandeen: | jams, ok, will try that. It did something funky with my MePo theme, IIRC (clock displayed badly). Oh well, can't have it all :) |
| [04:08:25] | sandeen: | i don't know why my fade is so slow :( |
| [04:09:38] | iamlindoro: | sandeen, I actually went to edit commercials out, but it looks like they *may* have compressed the first few commercials to get it back on time (it started 10 late), but better safe than sorry |
| [04:14:23] | kambei: | sandeen: Do you have GL acceleration? |
| [04:14:42] | kambei: | Are other GL things okay? |
| [04:19:03] | d0netsFN: | ok i have an smb share working, how do i get my movies streamed into my mythfrontend on the laptop from the smb share? |
| [04:27:14] | d0netsFN: | in utilities and setup i only see "setup" |
| [04:27:30] | d0netsFN: | i dont see media settings like i do on my desktop |
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| [04:41:57] | sandeen: | kambei, AFAIK GL is ok |
| [04:42:25] | sandeen: | but i'm not sure how to check :) |
| [04:44:35] | iamlindoro: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/PBB_Fanart.ogg For anyone who doubts MythUI will enable lots of fun bling :) |
| [04:46:55] | keith4_: | okay, i'm definitely not crazy. i've confirmed that I cannot switch to my 2nd tuner when the 1st is recording something |
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| [04:53:55] | kambei: | sandeen: What kind of card? |
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| [04:56:51] | jm1: | Is there a way to tell mythtv not to record the same show at the same time on two different tuners at once? |
| [04:57:04] | jm1: | I have set up "record this show at any time on any channel" |
| [04:57:19] | jm1: | and given preference to oen channel over another |
| [04:57:43] | jm1: | but because the other tuner isn't doing anything it says I'll record too on the other channel |
| [04:57:53] | jm1: | but I don't really want two copies of the same thing |
| [04:58:08] | hachi: | it should be detecting that there's the same episode on |
| [04:58:12] | jm1: | the start/stop times are the same, episode description |
| [04:58:13] | ** cesman has never seem MythTV do that ** | |
| [04:58:14] | hachi: | and only recording it once |
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| [04:58:35] | iamlindoro: | It should only do that if they're two vatly different listings sources |
| [04:58:41] | iamlindoro: | ie EIT + XMLTV/SD |
| [04:58:45] | iamlindoro: | vastly |
| [04:58:53] | jm1: | only using one listing source |
| [04:59:03] | jm1: | both tuners associated to the one source |
| [04:59:42] | iamlindoro: | Then what you are describing should not be possible, unless you've set it to record without duplicate check |
| [04:59:57] | iamlindoro: | or if the listings info is so bad it has no programid |
| [05:00:00] | jm1: | let me check the settings |
| [05:00:04] | jm1: | but its a fresh install |
| [05:00:44] | iamlindoro: | if the listings info is bad, myth will do what it can, but if programID is null, and title are and subtitle are same or null, then it'll do what you describe |
| [05:01:00] | iamlindoro: | ie ProgramID null, and two episodes of "Cops" without a subtitle |
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| [05:02:29] | KungFuJesus: | so wait holy cow, mythbackends that have slaves configured just use the extra storage directories added in the storage groups (from different backends) as a storage pool? |
| [05:03:02] | hachi: | I thought only the slave you configured the storage group on would use it |
| [05:03:18] | hachi: | and slaves always use local before remote storage |
| [05:03:28] | KungFuJesus: | don't think so, I'm pulling stuff from the tuner of a slave backend and it's going to the drive on the other backend |
| [05:03:32] | hachi: | at least, this is what I have understood, and I'm confused about it |
| [05:03:54] | d0netsFN: | how do i hadd smb folders to my mythfrontend |
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| [05:07:03] | jm1: | iamlindoro: programid is null in this case |
| [05:07:06] | jm1: | what sets that |
| [05:07:12] | jm1: | they are from the same listing source |
| [05:07:12] | iamlindoro: | your listings source |
| [05:07:31] | jm1: | show has a title, and description |
| [05:07:33] | jm1: | no subtitle |
| [05:07:40] | iamlindoro: | if nothing's set there, you're out of luck using that recording behavior |
| [05:07:48] | iamlindoro: | So it's exactly as I described above |
| [05:08:08] | jm1: | so guide needs to provide a subtitle for the episode? |
| [05:08:15] | iamlindoro: | yes, or a unique programid |
| [05:08:23] | iamlindoro: | or both |
| [05:08:31] | keith4_: | crappy listings |
| [05:08:59] | jm1: | that sucks, considering I pay for guide data. I'll go complain to them :) |
| [05:09:29] | jm1: | I can understand for things like "news" etc |
| [05:09:30] | iamlindoro: | wasn't aware there were any paid guide sources in .au |
| [05:09:35] | jm1: | but for procedurals |
| [05:09:40] | jm1: | yeah icetv.com.au |
| [05:09:47] | iamlindoro: | thought everyone used Shepherd down there |
| [05:09:59] | iamlindoro: | So yeah, sounds like you should give 'em hell |
| [05:11:10] | jm1: | thanks for your help |
| [05:11:28] | iamlindoro: | no problem, good luck |
| [05:16:11] | sandeen: | kambei, it's a "motherboard gpu", nvidia 8300 |
| [05:16:11] | clever: | 1275383744 bytes (1.3 GB) copied, 18.6833 s, 68.3 MB/s |
| [05:16:11] | clever: | is that a good speed for a sata1 interface? |
| [05:16:11] | sandeen: | er, make that geforce 8200, kambei |
| [05:16:11] | sandeen: | clever, likely that will be affected more by your drive(s) than by the sata link |
| [05:16:11] | sandeen: | and filesystem :) |
| [05:16:11] | clever: | sandeen: i think its sata2 drive on a sata1 inteface, running xfs |
| [05:16:11] | sandeen: | for a single drive, sustained, 70MB/s sounds about right |
| [05:16:11] | clever: | was getting 72 after that, posibly from the ram cache |
| [05:16:11] | clever: | nearly double what im getting from the pata drives |
| [05:16:11] | clever: | and i can expect much much worse speeds for that recording that has 30000 fragments |
| [05:16:11] | sandeen: | try the allocsize=512m (or so) xfs mount option to try to combat the fragmentation that mythbackend imposes by syncing like a maniac :) |
| [05:16:11] | clever: | the fragmented files are on a ext3 that has been 99% full for months |
| [05:16:11] | sandeen: | ah |
| [05:16:11] | clever: | i have 800gig free on the new drive, so its got plenty of room to breath and make sane layouts |
| [05:16:11] | clever: | but moving 30k fragments over there is murder on the performance of the system as a whole |
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| [06:21:32] | joe2371: | Hi. My pixel aspect ratio seems to be off. Can this be changed dynamically? |
| [06:24:59] | joe2371: | Could this be caused by using a 4:3 screen with a 16:10 laptop? |
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| [06:35:38] | joe2371: | Hmm. Well, I can rescale in the vertical dimension, but it requires that I eyeball it. |
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| [07:14:29] | wagnerrp: | clever: its not so much the interface, but the drive chipset and areal density |
| [07:14:44] | clever: | yeah |
| [07:14:54] | wagnerrp: | your next best drive is 300 or 320? |
| [07:15:13] | wagnerrp: | 300, you may be so poor as 4x75GB |
| [07:15:21] | clever: | its a 1tb sata drive |
| [07:15:22] | wagnerrp: | a 320 is probably 2x160GB |
| [07:15:30] | wagnerrp: | while the 1TB is probably 3x333GB |
| [07:15:43] | clever: | User Capacity: 1,000,204,886,016 bytes |
| [07:15:45] | clever: | Device Model: WDC WD10EACS-00D6B1 |
| [07:15:59] | clever: | 1tb in a single drive |
| [07:16:06] | wagnerrp: | platters |
| [07:16:23] | clever: | dont know that number off hand |
| [07:16:41] | clever: | does smartctl know? |
| [07:16:46] | wagnerrp: | no idea |
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| [07:17:39] | wagnerrp: | im saying thats the advantage you get out of buying semi-modern hardware |
| [07:17:59] | clever: | this is my first drive beyond 320gig and the first sata drive |
| [07:18:15] | clever: | and its nearly double the speed of the existing drives |
| [07:18:18] | clever: | while in a 400mhz P2 |
| [07:18:20] | wagnerrp: | seems the 2TBs just popped up on newegg, for $300 |
| [07:18:28] | wagnerrp: | didnt know they were out yet... |
| [07:18:44] | Dibblah: | clever: Have you changed religion or something? |
| [07:18:51] | clever: | seems like i dont need a modern cpu/mobo to get good performance |
| [07:18:56] | Dibblah: | Thought you didn't believe in new hardware? ;) |
| [07:19:02] | clever: | Dibblah: does praying to the harddrive count? |
| [07:20:57] | wagnerrp: | seems i best get to filling out my array |
| [07:21:05] | wagnerrp: | 750GB drives seem to be drying up |
| [07:21:40] | wagnerrp: | i think i could use one more to hold me over until a full hardware upgrade |
| [07:22:26] | wagnerrp: | im down to 113GB free... that last 750 didnt seem to last very long |
| [07:23:42] | Dibblah: | I'm on 11 of them. |
| [07:23:50] | Dibblah: | And not half full yet. |
| [07:25:52] | wagnerrp: | ive only got 7, and theyre in raid6 so really only 5 |
| [07:26:28] | wagnerrp: | so consider that, with the 2x300GB for active recordings, ive probably got about the same amount of data as you |
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| [07:26:47] | clever: | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| [07:26:47] | clever: | media:/media/videos/1tb/ |
| [07:26:47] | clever: | 932G 124G 808G 14% /media/videos/1tb |
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| [07:55:14] | wagnerrp: | so does that mean no more frantic transcoding? no more out-of-disk-space recording errors? the solution to several of your many problems? |
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| [08:57:22] | Dagmar: | Aha! |
| [08:57:23] | Dagmar: | Hulu already has the 3D stuff from the Superbowl up |
| [09:07:41] | justinh: | 3d on hulu? bleh |
| [09:07:54] | ** justinh wonders what mpeg artifacts look like in 3d ** | |
| [09:08:06] | Dagmar: | Well, it works about as amber/blue anaglyphs are going to |
| [09:08:32] | Dagmar: | The things always look like they're kinda strobing to me |
| [09:08:41] | Dagmar: | I way prefer the polarized filter anaglyphs |
| [09:11:52] | Dagmar: | Good lord from the way Hulu presents it, it looks like the SuperBowl was about half commercials |
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| [09:15:46] | justinh: | heh. a nation snowed in today yet it still took me 45 mins to get to work |
| [09:16:57] | justinh: | let's see if my new freenx server works |
| [09:18:44] | justinh: | yay |
| [09:18:56] | Dagmar: | Lord help us |
| [09:19:04] | Dagmar: | Do you know what GoDaddy's commercials basically are? |
| [09:19:11] | justinh: | nope |
| [09:19:17] | Dagmar: | They're basically promising people who go to godaddy.com free softcore |
| [09:19:31] | justinh: | never even heard of godaddy.com |
| [09:19:41] | Dagmar: | They're a domain registrar |
| [09:20:01] | Dagmar: | They're making it look like the internet is so full of porn that it's leaking back out. |
| [09:20:45] | Dagmar: | Someone's gonna yell at them |
| [09:22:02] | Dagmar: | Like, this is just not family-friendly: http://www.hulu.com/superbowl/55738/super-bow . . . dycom-shower |
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| [09:23:43] | justinh: | US only. bah |
| [09:24:08] | directhex: | justinh, when someone says "hulu", tell them "EAT WANG YOU JINGOIST BOTTOMHOLE" immediately |
| [09:24:10] | directhex: | to save time |
| [09:24:27] | Dagmar: | Just go to GoDaddy.com and they actually DO ahem |
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| [09:29:44] | justinh: | ooo over 130 updates available for Hardy. no thanks. not til I've taken an image of / |
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| [09:30:02] | Dagmar: | Oh come on |
| [09:30:07] | Dagmar: | It actually will work |
| [09:30:21] | Dagmar: | It just absolutely requires a reboot because the thing will be smoking a little after |
| [09:30:26] | Dagmar: | heh |
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| [09:31:53] | justinh: | the kernel & grub updates will require a reboot for sure. not something I'd do while I'm not there |
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| [09:43:00] | gbee: | they automatically reboot on Ubnutu? |
| [09:43:18] | [Peter]: | no |
| [09:43:42] | Dagmar: | They just warn you that you need to... Oh and sometimes, you know, things just "happen" |
| [09:43:42] | [Peter]: | you get a notificaion icon saying that one is needed though |
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| [09:44:24] | Dagmar: | Like dlopening a new version of the same lib and *p00f* |
| [09:45:04] | gbee: | I think I've upgraded the kernel on this box 3 or 4 times recently, but I've yet to reboot |
| [09:47:58] | justinh: | nah ubuntu haven't quite caught up to windows yet. I hope they never do though. my laptop's XP updates are a joke. do you want to reboot now or just when you're forced to after being asked a few more times? |
| [09:48:35] | justinh: | like woop woop! you've updated stuff, so we're gonna reboot you now. save your work.. rebooting! |
| [09:49:00] | justinh: | thankyou for choosing to run windows update (tm) |
| [09:49:01] | Dagmar: | I like how they cunningly try to pop that "You wanna reboot now, amirite?" dialog under the mouse |
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| [09:51:29] | jtucker: | hej hej |
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| [10:09:21] | Dibblah: | Righty ho. Base build done for the trifecta test machine :) |
| [10:09:43] | Dibblah: | (DVB-s/t/c) |
| [10:09:55] | directhex: | you have access to all 3? |
| [10:10:02] | Dibblah: | Yes. |
| [10:13:08] | gbee: | so, who wants to work on the US English translation for mythfrontend? |
| [10:13:34] | ** gbee ignores the mention of dvb-c ** | |
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| [10:20:18] | Dibblah: | Ahem. |
| [10:20:36] | Dibblah: | Must have been a mistake. I meant difecta, of course. |
| [10:23:54] | justinh: | we looked for positive confirmation that UK cable users aren't allowed to connect their own gear & couldn't find it |
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| [10:30:48] | Dibblah: | It was in the T&Cs. |
| [10:31:13] | justinh: | when it was NTL it was |
| [10:31:25] | justinh: | when it was Telewest it was. now try finding any mention of it |
| [10:35:44] | Dibblah: | Interesting. "You may use your own equipment together with our equipment, but we do not guarantee that our equipment will work with your equipment." |
| [10:35:52] | Dibblah: | Sounds like sex. |
| [10:37:11] | Dibblah: | Phoning them to ask. |
| [10:39:16] | justinh: | you can tune into some of the uncrippled analogue stuff on the cable, apparently by law they had to put 5 channels on there |
| [10:39:37] | justinh: | and on the 'radio' socket they have stereo audio feeds of certain channels too |
| [10:40:04] | justinh: | when I tried it, at least one of them was a Sky movie channel! |
| [10:40:13] | justinh: | *the audio I mean |
| [10:40:34] | justinh: | that was 10 years or so ago though |
| [10:40:42] | ruskie: | lol |
| [10:40:46] | justinh: | gawd, time is moving too fast |
| [10:40:59] | directhex: | you're just old |
| [10:41:36] | gbee: | Dibblah: that's what it says now? |
| [10:41:48] | gbee: | exactly how much can be tuned anyway? |
| [10:41:55] | Dibblah: | Everything. |
| [10:42:04] | gbee: | it's all unencrypted? |
| [10:42:10] | gbee: | or you need a cam |
| [10:42:11] | gbee: | ? |
| [10:42:12] | Dibblah: | No, of course not ;) |
| [10:42:22] | gbee: | right |
| [10:42:24] | Dibblah: | You can tune everything, though. |
| [10:42:37] | Dibblah: | Since none of those tables are encrypted. |
| [10:42:46] | directhex: | i thought they were mangled |
| [10:42:52] | justinh: | they are |
| [10:42:57] | Dibblah: | Only the A/V/T streams are encrypted. |
| [10:43:11] | Dibblah: | Everything needed to tune is in the clear. |
| [10:43:26] | justinh: | I thought people were known to moan on the mailing lists etc that they futzed the tables up |
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| [10:43:35] | justinh: | i.e. it had to be worked around |
| [10:44:01] | Dibblah: | They broadcast all regions in the NITo |
| [10:44:04] | gbee: | hmm, wonder whether it's worth investing in a DVB-C w/ CAM + CI |
| [10:44:23] | Dibblah: | You'll need a card and a Nagra1 CAM. |
| [10:45:02] | ** directhex coughs ** | |
| [10:45:20] | directhex: | *I HAVE A TECHNOTREND CI DAUGHTERBOARD FOR SALE* |
| [10:46:12] | gbee: | yeah, we'll I'm already a customer, but until now I've not bothered trying to record (aside from a brief time when I used a PVR-150) |
| [10:46:50] | justinh: | there's not much on cable or satellite worth paying for. maybe Sky One for the big US shows |
| [10:46:51] | gbee: | but if they are now allowing customers to use their own equipment, then a DVB-C card and CAM might be worth investigating |
| [10:47:37] | justinh: | heh. said cam on ebay for a tenner |
| [10:47:47] | gbee: | nice |
| [10:48:34] | gbee: | only problem right now is that the STB is currently next to the production backend which doesn't have room for another PCI card |
| [10:48:42] | anykey_: | so UK cable providers allow you to use your own equipment now? |
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| [10:49:14] | justinh: | anykey_: they don't explicitly say you can't anymore |
| [10:49:14] | gbee: | provider, singular |
| [10:49:42] | justinh: | we have one satellite provider & one cable provider |
| [10:49:48] | gbee: | well the line Dibbles quoted explicitly seemed to allow it (but state that it was unsupported) |
| [10:49:48] | justinh: | the free market works! |
| [10:50:06] | anykey_: | so they don't put any fences in place or so? Like pairing the cards? |
| [10:50:08] | Dibblah: | gbee: I believe that's talking about TVs, etc attached to the VM box. |
| [10:50:16] | justinh: | anykey_: yes they do |
| [10:50:20] | Dibblah: | anykey_: There are protections in place. |
| [10:50:21] | gbee: | justinh: two satellite via Astra, more if you factor in the European broadcasters on Eurobird etc |
| [10:50:23] | anykey_: | ah, no big news then ;) |
| [10:50:55] | anykey_: | justinh: at least you *could* get 20+ HD channels on satellite |
| [10:51:16] | justinh: | there's so much HD on cable they can put it all one one channel |
| [10:51:20] | Dibblah: | I'm on the phone to India. :( |
| [10:51:39] | justinh: | do you wantings to upgrade your broadbandings? |
| [10:51:41] | gbee: | anykey_: and thousands of hours of HD content on cable ... |
| [10:52:02] | justinh: | on demand :) |
| [10:52:03] | gbee: | it's all on-demand, but it's there and honestly more useful as on-demand |
| [10:52:15] | justinh: | and loads of it is 'free' |
| [10:52:31] | gbee: | majority of it the last time I looked |
| [10:52:32] | ** anykey_ gets two real HD channels, 3 if you count the upscaled ones ** | |
| [10:52:35] | justinh: | I think on-demand is the best thing to happen since PVRs |
| [10:52:43] | Dibblah: | OK. He talked to one of his colleagues. |
| [10:52:44] | ** gbee gets three ** | |
| [10:52:46] | anykey_: | hey, at least I get 40 analogue channels :( |
| [10:53:17] | justinh: | I get my HD shows on sneakernet. allegedly |
| [10:53:29] | justinh: | I still watch in SD though |
| [10:53:42] | Dibblah: | Q: Is it allowed to connect non-virgin equipment to the Virgin cable line? A: Yes, it is possible, but to get the line split correctly (paraphrasing) you will need an engineer visit. |
| [10:54:27] | justinh: | ding! |
| [10:54:37] | gbee: | I'm not really too serious about the DVB-C thing, if it's allowed then I'd keep it in mind should but I'm not going to run out to buy the kit |
| [10:54:55] | Dibblah: | OK. So the build of the trifecta test machine for Daniel is done. :) |
| [10:55:02] | Dibblah: | Still needs configured, of course. |
| [10:55:14] | directhex: | gbee, with the reception i get near me, i'm eager for !dvb-t |
| [10:55:24] | gbee: | like justinh said, that's not much worth recording on Cable that isn't already FTA on DVB-T/DVB-S |
| [10:55:26] | justinh: | basically without a CAM, you get less than on Freeview for nowt |
| [10:55:42] | justinh: | they don't even carry Sky3 |
| [10:55:52] | Dibblah: | And with a CAM, you can't use your card in a real box. |
| [10:55:54] | justinh: | although at least virgin1 is 24h |
| [10:56:14] | justinh: | the bitrates are good though |
| [10:56:32] | Dibblah: | Argh. |
| [10:56:40] | Dibblah: | The bitrates are _stupid_. |
| [10:56:46] | gbee: | but occassionally recording from Sky One .... rare, but maybe |
| [10:56:49] | Dibblah: | They reencode all of the sky channels. |
| [10:57:09] | Dibblah: | as in mpeg2 -> mpeg2. |
| [10:57:33] | justinh: | I don't think they take the consumer bitrate & use that though |
| [10:57:43] | justinh: | it didn't ever look that bad |
| [10:59:41] | justinh: | then again I've not seen them since virgin took over |
| [11:00:00] | justinh: | when it was NTL, they got the Sky channels direct from Sky via their own link |
| [11:00:16] | justinh: | so it's not like it was ever satellite bitrate stuff being re-encoded |
| [11:00:56] | justinh: | ah. they're re-muxed, not re-encoded |
| [11:01:14] | justinh: | makes sense |
| [11:01:33] | Dibblah: | Interesting. |
| [11:02:11] | justinh: | no broadcaster worth a light would re-encode a low-bitrate feed.. at least I'd bloody well hope not |
| [11:02:40] | anykey_: | justinh: IPTV provider does that here, because they need to stream everything in MPEG4 |
| [11:02:47] | justinh: | eew |
| [11:03:10] | justinh: | big fat pipe from the source, then encripple & remux |
| [11:03:15] | anykey_: | looks like crap ;) |
| [11:03:42] | anykey_: | they even need to reencode a HD channels 'cause its bitrate is too high |
| [11:04:30] | justinh: | who's that provider in the states who gives y'all HD Legovision? |
| [11:04:40] | justinh: | that's shocking |
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| [11:05:44] | directhex: | comcast? |
| [11:05:53] | directhex: | http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1008271 |
| [11:13:32] | justinh: | pfff even the 'good' ones look terrible |
| [11:14:20] | directhex: | there is a scale of terribleness |
| [11:14:53] | justinh: | I doubt I'd be happy with fios, even |
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| [11:37:01] | AndyCap: | The DVB-S provider here cuts and reencodes sky news in 4:3 |
| [11:37:33] | justinh: | is it even wide here? wasn't last time I saw it |
| [11:43:04] | AndyCap: | It was when I had a dish on 28E |
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| [11:46:14] | justinh: | pfft. still looking for pictures of all this 'heavy snowfall' |
| [11:51:25] | ** justinh laughs out loud at #6209 ** | |
| [11:53:56] | Dibblah: | #6212 – Pirate, coming through! |
| [11:54:17] | justinh: | yarr |
| [11:54:25] | justinh: | yavenard |
| [11:54:38] | justinh: | of ale |
| [11:54:55] | justinh: | Dibblah: the part to strip the l337 bits from filenames is missing though |
| [11:55:21] | justinh: | also the part to add the 'release group' to the db as metadata. this stuff is vital |
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| [12:02:23] | directhex: | does anyone want this CI daughterboard? |
| [12:02:45] | disc-q: | In deleted the close command in the mythfrontend, but quiting the frontend shuts down X and freezes the comp. How to deactivate it? It should just quit mythtv and bring me back to the desktop. |
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| [12:03:05] | Maliuta: | directhex: sure, you just pay ship it to .au :) |
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| [12:03:16] | directhex: | Maliuta, sounds like a fabulous deal |
| [12:04:00] | Maliuta: | directhex: oh, in that case I'll need to charge you for taking it off your hands :P |
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| [12:06:07] | ** justinh writes a patch to parse 'S' and 'E' into series & episode number metadata fields. yarrr ** | |
| [12:06:50] | sid3windr: | :D |
| [12:06:53] | directhex: | yarr! |
| [12:07:02] | phunyguy: | rayy! |
| [12:07:19] | justinh: | wait! what about a 'find missing episodes' clicky too? |
| [12:07:26] | sid3windr: | haha |
| [12:07:44] | justinh: | it can look for missing eps, then scrape piratebay for .torrents |
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| [12:08:04] | sid3windr: | meh |
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| [12:08:12] | justinh: | or do they already have an API XBMC is using? |
| [12:08:25] | sid3windr: | it's not like it's hard to parse the stuff into metadata, so why not incorporate it.. |
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| [12:09:49] | Dibblah: | Well, that's good in a way. It appears that the PSU I'm using doesn't go down to 20w – Therefore the motherboard refuses to boot. |
| [12:10:02] | directhex: | que? |
| [12:10:04] | justinh: | heh |
| [12:10:19] | ** justinh hands Dibblah a dummy load ** | |
| [12:10:38] | justinh: | .. to replace the heater missing from his system |
| [12:10:58] | sid3windr: | MOAR RESISTOR |
| [12:11:09] | Dibblah: | ... Stupid PSU makers :( |
| [12:11:18] | Dibblah: | Moar watts == better. |
| [12:11:20] | directhex: | what brand? |
| [12:11:21] | justinh: | what model/wattage PSU? |
| [12:11:40] | Dibblah: | Seasonic 380, which surprises me. |
| [12:11:52] | Dibblah: | Could just be busted, of course. |
| [12:11:53] | justinh: | oh yeah they have silly minimum loads |
| [12:12:04] | directhex: | try an enermax galaxy. |
| [12:12:11] | Dibblah: | directhex: No. |
| [12:12:27] | directhex: | awww :( |
| [12:12:31] | sid3windr: | try a q-tec :D |
| [12:12:40] | ** directhex explodes sid3windr ** | |
| [12:13:02] | justinh: | I just put am Antec Earthwatts thing in my backend |
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| [12:13:17] | sid3windr: | erf, what's an earthwatts |
| [12:13:24] | directhex: | sid3windr, efficiency |
| [12:13:25] | justinh: | EA-380 |
| [12:13:47] | justinh: | BE now pulling about 25W less than it did before |
| [12:14:19] | Dibblah: | My BE is sitting on 120w, most of that in the graphics card. |
| [12:14:40] | sid3windr: | your backend has a graphics card? |
| [12:14:46] | justinh: | < 110W now :) |
| [12:14:52] | directhex: | ehmmmmmmm...... |
| [12:14:54] | ** sid3windr wonders but does not have a measuring device ** | |
| [12:14:55] | Dibblah: | Interestingly, the NV card / G35 combination draws almost exactly the same as the integrated GPU. |
| [12:14:55] | directhex: | someone explain something to me |
| [12:15:09] | Dibblah: | It's actually got an 8800GTX in it. |
| [12:15:21] | justinh: | directhex: you wondering how a graphics card pulls that much juice at idle too? |
| [12:15:28] | directhex: | why does enermax make two totally different SKUs, one certified by nvidia for multi-gpu, one by ati, when they're identical? |
| [12:15:54] | sid3windr: | because you can't have one certified by both |
| [12:15:56] | sid3windr: | it's not good marketing |
| [12:15:56] | Dibblah: | When I say "most" I mean most of the excess. |
| [12:15:57] | sid3windr: | :p |
| [12:16:03] | directhex: | i might even deal with it if the nvidia model was green instead of red |
| [12:16:48] | Dibblah: | The CPU is 40w or so, the chipset is 20, the cards are 1w each (x3), the HDs (spun down) are 1w each (x11)... |
| [12:16:57] | Dibblah: | The rest is the video card. |
| [12:19:31] | Dibblah: | (Backend is also my primary PC – Hence the stupid specs) |
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| [12:23:01] | justinh: | Dibblah: current company included, that is not a stupid machine ;) |
| [12:23:19] | justinh: | I know a good few people who'd call it stupidly underpowered |
| [12:23:36] | justinh: | only ONE graphics card & it's ONLY an 8800GTX? Pfft! |
| [12:24:05] | Dibblah: | Only GPU at the time on 45nm. |
| [12:24:24] | justinh: | I bet you don't have those nice lights in your non-translucent case either |
| [12:24:59] | Dibblah: | Sassen frassen. |
| [12:25:15] | Dibblah: | Actually, I have 4 blue LEDs in the PSU up in the attic. |
| [12:25:17] | justinh: | speaking of halfbakery.. not been to THG for ages... |
| [12:25:49] | Dibblah: | Don't. It'll rot your mind., |
| [12:25:51] | ** directhex is building his new pc... motherboard supports 3-way sli or crossfire... ** | |
| [12:26:42] | justinh: | We received six fresh flash-based SSDs and put them up against the 15 drives we have already reviewed. Yeah, like gaining another 2% performance boost is REALLY gonna save you time |
| [12:28:23] | Dibblah: | Flash is great. |
| [12:28:49] | Dibblah: | It's an order of magnitude improvement for badly written DB backends. |
| [12:28:50] | directhex: | so, anyone wanna buy me gpu #2 and #3? |
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| [12:44:51] | Dibblah: | Ugh. Bad PSU design makes me cry. |
| [12:45:04] | Dibblah: | Good PSU – This machine draws 23w. |
| [12:45:12] | jduggan: | cold weather and snow makes me cry |
| [12:45:14] | jduggan: | :( |
| [12:45:17] | Dibblah: | This 'no-brand' PSU – 52w. |
| [12:45:30] | Dibblah: | With the additional 2 case fans, 48w. |
| [12:45:48] | Dibblah: | Yes, the current draw from the wall goes *down* with more load. |
| [12:46:05] | justinh: | snow :D |
| [12:46:21] | justinh: | damn southerners can't cope with an inch of snow. wussies |
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| [12:47:10] | justinh: | first time I ever had to drive in snow on my own there was about a foot of it on the roads to work. that was fun! |
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| [12:49:09] | justinh: | last time it was really bad was on the eve of the millennium. I had to get from my parents' house to my inlaws place & was following a snowplough. it got stuck so I had to go a different way. took a bit longer than usual but still made it |
| [12:49:50] | jduggan: | heh |
| [12:49:58] | jduggan: | its not too bad |
| [12:50:01] | jduggan: | just makes roads shitty |
| [12:50:31] | jduggan: | section of the A5, the fast lane was covered so nobody was using it, means i had to follow some slow people on the slow lane |
| [12:50:50] | jduggan: | it was clear, and people were doing 40 |
| [12:50:55] | jduggan: | annoyig :p |
| [12:51:03] | justinh: | heh |
| [12:51:42] | justinh: | hmm now I'm not held up by an inability to code, just an inability to think clearly |
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| [12:58:29] | gbee: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6212 |
| [12:59:18] | justinh: | ****ker |
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| [12:59:26] | gbee: | is it wrong that I enjoyed seeing that guy fall upon his sword? |
| [12:59:55] | justinh: | if it's wrong, then I'm also very guilty |
| [13:00:31] | Dibblah: | I see no honor there. |
| [13:00:32] | jduggan: | lol |
| [13:00:40] | justinh: | aXXo ftw, apparently |
| [13:01:02] | Dibblah: | I would suggest deleting that ticket. |
| [13:01:08] | Dibblah: | As in not closing it. |
| [13:01:26] | ** justinh suggests adding a request for a .nfo viewer to be added :P ** | |
| [13:01:38] | directhex: | mythtorrent! |
| [13:02:10] | justinh: | Dibblah: it'll be added again. I mean shirley shome mishtake, right? |
| [13:03:17] | Dibblah: | ... Bugger. |
| [13:03:28] | Dibblah: | My "spare" dvb-c card is busted. |
| [13:03:55] | justinh: | personally I'd be as hard-handed as to ban him from trac |
| [13:03:58] | gbee: | last time this guys ticket was closed he created a thread on the -users list calling janneg a Nazi and throwing all sorts of other insults at the devs ... and he wasn't alone |
| [13:04:43] | justinh: | I won't go into my own morals etc but fully understand the need to keep the project squeaky clean |
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| [13:05:52] | justinh: | gbee: tempting to just do it & if they want to fork, let em. my only concern would be for the future of this project, but at the same time are those people contributing anything of value? |
| [13:08:09] | justinh: | personally I'd ban him from the lists too |
| [13:08:38] | justinh: | you can't go round defaming people like that |
| [13:13:49] | Dibblah: | Hmmm. Doesn't Janne live in .de? |
| [13:14:06] | Dibblah: | Which has _very_ strong laws against that particular accusation. |
| [13:15:34] | directhex: | .uk is the land of crazy libel laws |
| [13:15:58] | directhex: | and, helpfully, in the land of the interwerbs you can sue someone in .uk even if you're not british and neither are they nor did the act take place in .uk |
| [13:16:18] | directhex: | see the expression "sue you in england" |
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| [13:21:01] | justinh: | heh. the guy is an MD of a company |
| [13:23:21] | justinh: | yet still has time to be a member of so many forums I lost count |
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| [13:32:34] | justinh: | independent scrolling of tabular data invention – US pat 20080155462. oh dear |
| [13:33:04] | justinh: | time to stop being a net stalker & go back to hacking |
| [13:35:08] | directhex: | patents in "retarded" shocker |
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| [13:35:25] | justinh: | directhex: look at the name of the guy who submitted it |
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| [13:36:58] | directhex: | hm, TI |
| [13:37:47] | justinh: | inventors... |
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| [13:39:06] | ** justinh wonders if drawing a diagram would help in this instance ** | |
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| [13:46:10] | snarkster: | goodf morning |
| [13:50:44] | Dibblah: | I don't believe this. |
| [13:51:02] | Dibblah: | The DVB-t cards that come with the monopole antenna. |
| [13:51:21] | Dibblah: | Appear to have very, very insensitive tuners :( |
| [13:51:54] | justinh: | ah but them was cheep! |
| [13:52:07] | Dibblah: | No, this wasn't the cheap one. |
| [13:52:20] | Dibblah: | The tuner on those ones looks good on paper. |
| [13:52:27] | Dibblah: | But these are just _nasty_. |
| [13:52:32] | justinh: | I can get a faint whiff of one mux from winterhill with my usb thing |
| [13:52:45] | justinh: | * with the bee sting aerial |
| [13:52:47] | Dibblah: | Can't use the cheap ones yet, as they have no driver. |
| [13:52:50] | justinh: | outside |
| [13:52:56] | justinh: | ah |
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| [13:53:33] | justinh: | the £25 dual tuner I got from Maplin works great with my aerial |
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| [13:54:08] | justinh: | ber of 0000 :) |
| [13:54:21] | Dibblah: | Of course, it doesn't help that I'm dumb splitting the signal. |
| [13:54:49] | justinh: | I have a really good signal & I can only split it twice |
| [13:55:31] | Dibblah: | I have an amp on order, but I'd prefer to get a box up sooner than later, if it's going to increase Daniel's productivity ;) |
| [13:55:41] | Dibblah: | Assuming he wants it, of course. |
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| [14:02:29] | d0netsFN: | hey so if i forward port 3306 |
| [14:02:38] | d0netsFN: | and i use my public ip on my frontend on my laptop from school |
| [14:02:52] | d0netsFN: | can i watch my tv? |
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| [14:04:45] | justinh: | if you had sufficient bandwidth, yes in theory |
| [14:05:13] | justinh: | not that you'd really want to leave that port open, since mythbackend isn't what anybody would call resilient |
| [14:05:32] | justinh: | it's certainly not hardened in any way |
| [14:05:46] | justinh: | so lord knows what kind of vulnerabilities it has |
| [14:06:10] | d0netsFN: | well i can open and close the port remotely, as needed |
| [14:06:20] | d0netsFN: | and as for bandwith i only get about 90 KB/sec up |
| [14:06:27] | justinh: | whoops |
| [14:06:32] | d0netsFN: | but if i could get a friend of a friend to come hook my coax back up |
| [14:06:39] | d0netsFN: | i have some modified modems |
| [14:06:55] | ** justinh doesn't condone cable modem hacking ** | |
| [14:07:03] | d0netsFN: | lol |
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| [14:07:21] | d0netsFN: | i do |
| [14:07:22] | justinh: | oh wait you just admitted it in a logged channel which is indexed by google. whoops |
| [14:07:28] | d0netsFN: | i know the chick that made sigma |
| [14:07:28] | justinh: | seeya |
| [14:07:57] | d0netsFN: | bleh dont be such a ^2 |
| [14:08:22] | justinh: | SEE YA |
| [14:08:54] | GreyFoxx: | cablemodem "hacking" only works if your ISP is run by idiots |
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| [14:09:06] | d0netsFN: | well i dunno about that |
| [14:09:09] | GreyFoxx: | I do |
| [14:09:10] | d0netsFN: | well i would say true |
| [14:09:15] | d0netsFN: | but thats just about every cable ISP |
| [14:09:24] | GreyFoxx: | It's TRIVIAL for them to discover |
| [14:09:43] | GreyFoxx: | I wrote a tool back in 2002 to do just that in about an hour |
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| [14:10:02] | d0netsFN: | i dont see how |
| [14:10:08] | d0netsFN: | have you ever been out to a cable box? |
| [14:10:12] | d0netsFN: | its just a bunch of coax lines |
| [14:10:17] | d0netsFN: | when you and your modem arent registered |
| [14:10:22] | d0netsFN: | how do they know what house you are at |
| [14:10:28] | gbee: | heh, Banstead where I lived and went to school for three years had 13 inches of snow in the last 24 hours |
| [14:10:34] | GreyFoxx: | I didn't say trivial for them to discover you location |
| [14:10:46] | GreyFoxx: | but trivial for them to find the modem and shutdown service to it |
| [14:10:56] | d0netsFN: | oh right |
| [14:11:00] | d0netsFN: | but you just reflash |
| [14:11:01] | d0netsFN: | lol |
| [14:11:03] | GreyFoxx: | and thart goes for people using adifferent QoS than they are entitled |
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| [14:11:23] | GreyFoxx: | d0t: It's so easy for them to discovery they would easily cause you to have to reflash every 5 minutes if they want |
| [14:11:27] | justinh: | or they just get a subpoena from the ISP you use to come in here with, and find you that way :P |
| [14:11:38] | GreyFoxx: | unfortunately I gotta run to a clients or I'd get deeper into just how :() |
| [14:12:01] | d0netsFN: | justinh proove that im using it |
| [14:12:17] | d0netsFN: | or that im not |
| [14:12:17] | justinh: | prove that you can spell? |
| [14:12:27] | d0netsFN: | i already did ;) |
| [14:12:35] | d0netsFN: | technology has removed my ability to spell |
| [14:12:41] | justinh: | myers |
| [14:12:42] | d0netsFN: | i wish everything else in life had a red squiggly line under it |
| [14:12:47] | justinh: | muppet |
| [14:13:46] | iamlindoro: | I wish there were red squiggly lines for people's behavior |
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| [14:14:08] | iamlindoro: | "It appears you're being a jackass. Would you like to appear to be a productive member of society?" |
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| [14:19:43] | directhex: | iamlindoro, youtube's "read my comment back to me" thing is a good start |
| [14:22:59] | shadash: | anybody else notice the price in USD for 1tb drives is slowly going up? They used to be $78 Now they $84.90 (on pricewatch) |
| [14:23:16] | JEDIDIAH__: | neweggs price for 2TB is $300 |
| [14:23:36] | shadash: | what was the price 2 months ago? |
| [14:23:43] | joe2371: | shadash: probably due to the seagate snafu |
| [14:23:45] | linagee: | how do you pronounce Hauppauge? haw-pa-g? |
| [14:23:49] | shadash: | ahh |
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| [14:23:57] | linagee: | hope-age? |
| [14:23:58] | joe2371: | haw-podge, I thought |
| [14:23:58] | JEDIDIAH__: | yes... I figured the seagate snafu depressed prices. |
| [14:24:03] | linagee: | joe2371: rofl |
| [14:24:13] | linagee: | joe2371: i thought that's just what people say when they make fun of it. :) |
| [14:24:19] | JEDIDIAH__: | howabout: "those freaks from new york" |
| [14:24:27] | joe2371: | no, it would depress prices on their products, but increase demand for their competitors drives |
| [14:24:44] | JEDIDIAH__: | the seagate thing might have made people skittish in general. |
| [14:24:51] | JEDIDIAH__: | fear of the new. |
| [14:25:02] | linagee: | joe2371: LOL! it's on their FAQ page. nice. |
| [14:25:17] | joe2371: | linagee: and the answer is...? |
| [14:25:22] | linagee: | joe2371: per their FAQ: "Hauppauge is a town in NY on Long Island. Hauppauge is pronounced HOP-HOG. " |
| [14:25:30] | joe2371: | har |
| [14:25:31] | linagee: | so everyone here, be sure to pronounce it right now. :) |
| [14:25:46] | linagee: | joe2371: http://www.hauppauge.com/html/faq.htm#HOPHOG |
| [14:26:00] | linagee: | joe2371: it does not look like hophog |
| [14:26:19] | linagee: | maybe the H in hog is silent |
| [14:26:44] | JEDIDIAH__: | mebbe it's a mutilation of some dutch name |
| [14:26:57] | JEDIDIAH__: | or just dutch |
| [14:27:01] | linagee: | JEDIDIAH__: if you want the root as well it lists it in the FAQ link. ;) |
| [14:27:16] | linagee: | JEDIDIAH__: "Hauppauge is a town in NY on Long Island. Hauppauge is pronounced HOP-HOG. The area around the headwaters of the Nissequogue (NISS-I-QUOG) River was dubbed Hauppauge by Native Americans; it means "overflowed land'' in the Algonquian language. Hauppauge boasts a large industrial park which is home to many well known companies." |
| [14:27:29] | linagee: | JEDIDIAH__: native americans did it |
| [14:27:42] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...that's always a possiblity too... |
| [14:27:50] | JEDIDIAH__: | (some strange Indian thing) |
| [14:29:21] | joe2371: | Well, these are the same folks that pronounce Houston St. as "hows-tun" |
| [14:29:49] | joe2371: | And will uncheerfully correct you if you don't do the same. |
| [14:30:53] | linagee: | joe2371: i would go by the company's FAQ |
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| [14:36:25] | justinh: | apparently 'Hauppauge' is pronounced 'hoppog' |
| [14:36:38] | justinh: | or hop-hog. heh |
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| [14:38:15] | JEDIDIAH__: | I'd still feel silly refering to a hop-hog capture card. |
| [14:39:04] | JEDIDIAH__: | they're better off pretending to be french canadian |
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| [14:42:18] | joe2371: | I see some ATSC antennae have a special bi-directional interface. Are there any options to use such an antenna with mythtv? |
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| [14:43:40] | justinh: | nope |
| [14:45:32] | joe2371: | What about controlling an external digital converter with an IR-blaster, but instead of capturing the analog output of that box, simply grab its input with a DVB? |
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| [14:46:05] | joe2371: | Making sure to tune both the box and the DVB to the same channel, I mean. |
| [14:46:10] | justinh: | you can't |
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| [14:46:54] | joe2371: | I'll take your word for it, but I'm having a hard time thinking of a reason that would be so. |
| [14:47:29] | justinh: | what purpose would that serve? |
| [14:48:10] | justinh: | you have a converter box, which you control with an IR blaster, but you bypass it & use an ATSC card anyway.. wtf? |
| [14:49:44] | joe2371: | Presumably, the converter would control the smart antenna to improve its own reception of the target channel. Then you ignore the converter's output (because it is analog crap) and simply use the ATSC card to grab the 'tuned' output of the antenna in its digital form. |
| [14:50:21] | joe2371: | I used 'tuned' for lack of a better word. |
| [14:50:42] | justinh: | so basically just use the 'converter' box to work the steerable aerial. |
| [14:50:51] | justinh: | sounds like a gimmick |
| [14:50:52] | joe2371: | Exactly. |
| [14:52:15] | joe2371: | I have no experience with these steerable antennae. I suppose they may be just a gimmick. |
| [14:53:58] | justinh: | EIA/CEA-909 is the protocol apparently |
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| [14:58:40] | justinh: | wow. you guys have different channels beamed from different directions? talk about retarded |
| [14:59:40] | Dibblah: | Great. This 'alternative' DVB-t USB card appears to be "not so good" under load. ie when doing anything stressful. Like scanning. :( |
| [14:59:57] | justinh: | Dibblah: name & shame |
| [15:00:08] | Dibblah: | af9005 |
| [15:00:15] | Dibblah: | ebay special, so no brand. |
| [15:00:22] | Dibblah: | It's shiney and red, though. |
| [15:00:29] | justinh: | heh |
| [15:00:42] | Dibblah: | As in really odd – Pearlescent paint. |
| [15:00:46] | Dibblah: | However you spell it. |
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| [15:09:49] | justinh: | hrm. this approach is broken |
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| [15:14:40] | MilkBoy: | crap.. If I have the same channel on two different inputs, and they have a different callsign, is it still possible to somehow group them together so they look like one channel? |
| [15:16:04] | Dibblah: | ... Change the callsign? |
| [15:16:40] | MilkBoy: | but it gets overwritten every time there is a need to rescan.. not too fun.. I was hoping there would be a better solution |
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| [15:17:32] | JEDIDIAH__: | if they have different callsigns then they aren't really the same channel. |
| [15:18:06] | MilkBoy: | but they are.. one is DVB-C ant the other DVB-T.. so different provider for the same channel |
| [15:19:38] | JEDIDIAH__: | not really, they can have different types of signal and different program data. Perhaps you should just mark them as invisible on one of the inputs. |
| [15:19:48] | JEDIDIAH__: | I do that with my OTA channels on the cable inputs. |
| [15:20:27] | MilkBoy: | but that reduces the possible inputs for a channel.. |
| [15:21:07] | justinh: | mo verbose, mo verbose mo verbose. that'll help me work out wth I'm doing |
| [15:21:14] | ** JEDIDIAH__ prefers his cable tuner to not waste time on OTA stuff. ** | |
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| [15:22:04] | JEDIDIAH__: | I'd just get another DVB-T tuner. |
| [15:22:23] | ** JEDIDIAH__ already has that sort of setup. ** | |
| [15:22:37] | justinh: | I'd just sit in my armchair smoking a pipe & reading |
| [15:23:41] | JEDIDIAH__: | has the HDHR make it to Europe yet> |
| [15:23:43] | JEDIDIAH__: | ? |
| [15:24:11] | justinh: | not so far AFAIK |
| [15:24:41] | JEDIDIAH__: | dual tuners, no need for a PCI slot (or even USB) makes these issues a lot easier. |
| [15:27:09] | anykey_: | JEDIDIAH__: it doesn't tune encrypted channels... |
| [15:27:31] | JEDIDIAH__: | which makes it like a DVB-T |
| [15:28:09] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...frees up the cable tuner somewhat by not bothering it with stuff you can grab out of the ether yourself. |
| [15:28:26] | JEDIDIAH__: | ....Lost, Heroes, various old reruns |
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| [15:33:02] | iamlindoro__: | Hop-hog |
| [15:33:13] | iamlindoro__: | (used to be in the FAW on their web site) |
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| [15:33:16] | iamlindoro__: | FAQ |
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| [15:34:02] | JEDIDIAH__: | hophog just conjures up all sorts of totall wrongful imagery. |
| [15:34:06] | iamlindoro__: | http://www.hauppauge.com/html/faq.htm#HOPHOG |
| [15:34:10] | iamlindoro__: | Still is, apparently |
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| [15:35:25] | joe2371: | So, in order to have a set top mythtv box that can be used as a source for importing optical media, it must itself be a backend and it must use network storage (shared with the other BEs) for that ripped media to be available to other FEs? |
| [15:37:54] | iamlindoro__: | MythDVD (which is actually part of MythVideo now) is a frontend plugin, and doesn't require that the machine necessarily be a backend. But yes, like all MythVideo cotnent, it must be mounted on each frontend at an identical mountpoint (ie /mnt/mymovies or whatever on all frontends) |
| [15:41:00] | joe2371: | Ok, I think I see. I may need to experiment a bit to fully appreciate the issue. This only applies to plug-in content, then? I mean, my FE can access recorded and live tv without needing to mount any filesystems from the BE. |
| [15:43:32] | JEDIDIAH__: | it might help to just think of the myth frontend boxes as desktops and your backend as a generic fileserver. My necessary Myth setup also makes it easy for any desktop in the house to see all the myth content too. |
| [15:43:34] | iamlindoro__: | correct... everything else must be mounted |
| [15:43:49] | iamlindoro__: | joe2371: although by .22 most if not all content will stream without need for mounts |
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| [15:45:15] | joe2371: | Ok. That should make firewall configuration a bit simpler, then. |
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| [15:50:49] | Dibblah: | Done the metalwork for the PCI bridge in the testbox. |
| [15:50:57] | Dibblah: | And now have lost the bridge board. |
| [15:53:31] | iamlindoro__: | Heh @ the VDPAU backports guy submitting a ticket for his illegal torrent renaming, then wanting it deleted when he gets called on it |
| [15:54:26] | laga: | :) |
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| [15:55:46] | Dibblah: | Actually, I deleted the list of torrents. |
| [15:55:58] | Dibblah: | Because that has no business being in Trac. |
| [15:55:58] | iamlindoro__: | Oh, too bad :) |
| [15:56:02] | iamlindoro__: | sure |
| [15:56:23] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro__: I guess paulh ran into an issue with my patch – I didn't see it until late last-night, so I haven't been able to research it yet... DOH! |
| [15:56:50] | iamlindoro__: | J-e-f-f-A|work: yeah, I saw that-- oh well, better to solve it now I suppose, I'm sure you'll get to the bottom of it |
| [15:57:39] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro__: Yeah. I'm thankful that he took the time to look @ it... I may not get around to it until Wednesday evening though... |
| [15:59:26] | d0netsFN: | Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 33554432 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 35 bytes) in /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/modules/tv/includes/objects/Program.php on line 291 |
| [15:59:29] | sid3windr: | ticket 6212 is gone though is it not :) |
| [15:59:38] | sid3windr: | d0netsFN: moar memories! |
| [15:59:49] | d0netsFN: | yea what file do i need to edit |
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| [16:00:32] | iamlindoro__: | You need to start googling |
| [16:00:49] | iamlindoro__: | As googling just a few words from your error message gives the answer in the first two results |
| [16:00:55] | sid3windr: | yup |
| [16:01:01] | d0netsFN: | ok i just figured i would come here and ask cause the chan is called #mythtv-users |
| [16:01:05] | d0netsFN: | and i had an issue with mythtv |
| [16:01:05] | iamlindoro__: | AFAICT you ask here first without ever making any effort to look yourself |
| [16:01:10] | d0netsFN: | i dunno how i made that connection |
| [16:01:18] | iamlindoro__: | IRC is not the first line of defense |
| [16:01:24] | iamlindoro__: | It's a last resort |
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| [16:02:05] | iamlindoro__: | And since you're getting the support free of change, common courtesy says you'd expend a calorie or two looking yourself first |
| [16:03:29] | mag0o: | i <3 irc |
| [16:03:32] | mag0o: | hehe |
| [16:05:24] | iamlindoro__: | mag0o: Don't get me wrong, the channel is usually pretty good about just helping, but when we get repeat offenders it wear on you |
| [16:05:30] | iamlindoro__: | wears |
| [16:06:08] | iamlindoro__: | And a tiny bit of effort before asking a question isn't unreasonable to ask given the cost of the service ;) |
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| [16:08:38] | _abbenormal: | the idea is to try and figure it out for your self first then if you cannt find a solution from looking ask because most issues can be googled and found |
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| [16:09:15] | iamlindoro__: | I smell like chlorine, blech |
| [16:10:02] | iamlindoro__: | Run/swim/biking an ironman triathlon this May, I still can't get used to all the swimming |
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| [16:27:18] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro__: In the city I used to live in, just turning on the tap smelled like you were pouring bleach into the laundry... Lots of chlorine in that water... yuck. |
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| [16:32:54] | iamlindoro__: | J-e-f-f-A|work: Gym pool, too, so probably over chlorinated |
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| [16:52:31] | iamlindoro__: | Hahahaha, Comcast accidentally cut in 30 seconds of graphics sex in Arizona in the final seconds of the Superbowl |
| [16:52:35] | iamlindoro__: | Whoops! |
| [16:52:40] | iamlindoro__: | s/graphics/graphic/ |
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| [16:53:17] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro__: probably some disgruntald employee... DOH! |
| [16:53:51] | iamlindoro__: | Awesome |
| [16:54:30] | JEDIDIAH__: | tyler durden lives... |
| [16:54:33] | iamlindoro__: | I spent a summer in France with my relatives there when I was about 11 and was exposed to all sorts of graphic sex acts-- look how great I turned out! |
| [16:54:39] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...and has escaped from the asylum. |
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| [16:56:09] | iamlindoro__: | Anyway, probably not the kind of "tight end" people were expecting to see </footballjoke> |
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| [17:04:35] | stuarta: | afternoon all |
| [17:05:55] | iamlindoro__: | Hi stuarta |
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| [17:07:09] | stuarta: | anyone had any luck with dvb-t tuners by Peak? |
| [17:07:31] | stuarta: | since they are cheap, and apparently similar to the kworld 160 |
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| [17:09:28] | iamlindoro__: | looks like mkrufky would be the guy to ask, but he seems to imply it's a rebadge with new USB ID, which he's apparently already added |
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| [17:09:34] | iamlindoro__: | So sounds like you'd be in the clear |
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| [17:10:25] | iamlindoro__: | But also sounds like as of late last year there were problems after a warm restart |
| [17:10:51] | stuarta: | yeah, it's not entirely clear it's been sorted |
| [17:11:27] | iamlindoro__: | Anyway, what do I know, I'm sure I'm just repeating things you've already read :) |
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| [17:28:22] | joe2371: | Hi. I'm looking at the "select a recording to watch" screen and I see two symbols near the bottom. One is the red circle with a slash much like in a "no smoking" sign. The other looks a bit like a grey blob of mucus. I don't see a way to select them or to otherwise get more information about them. What's the story? |
| [17:28:49] | wagnerrp: | hit 'f1' |
| [17:29:17] | joe2371: | hey, pretty sharp. thanks |
| [17:30:37] | joe2371: | Yes, commercials are about as appetizing as a turburcular expectoration. It is an apt symbol choice. |
| [17:32:19] | wagnerrp: | depends on the commercial... i find the etrade ones amusing |
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| [17:47:10] | joe2371: | I see that when I have both digital and analog sources for a scheduled program, the schedule status screen seems to indicate that the program will be captured twice, simultaneously from both inputs. Why on earth? I thought I instructed the system that I preferred the DVB input. |
| [17:48:23] | wagnerrp: | the digital and analog sources are running off different listing data |
| [17:48:33] | wagnerrp: | and mythtv doesnt recognize that they are the same show |
| [17:48:39] | joe2371: | oic |
| [17:49:02] | wagnerrp: | or you just have matching disabled for that recording |
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| [17:49:34] | ** joe2371 starts looking for "matching" options... ** | |
| [17:50:24] | BenB: | wagnerrp: in which cases would one be forced to use different listing sources? |
| [17:51:00] | BenB: | wagnerrp: are there even countries with several listing sources, which cover different stations? |
| [17:51:09] | wagnerrp: | BenB: i dont know, i have SD which takes care of both digital and analog |
| [17:51:22] | BenB: | yeah |
| [17:51:29] | wagnerrp: | but those are the only two scenarios i can imagine in which mythtv would record two copies |
| [17:51:36] | BenB: | wagnerrp: I see. |
| [17:52:05] | BenB: | wagnerrp: actually, I am in that situation right now: eu_epgdata grabber doesn't provide premiere pay-tv, so I have to get that from DVB-EIT. |
| [17:52:31] | wagnerrp: | the episode data for the two copies do not match (due to separate listing sources or lack of data for one copy) |
| [17:52:37] | wagnerrp: | or the episode matching is disabled |
| [17:52:40] | BenB: | it's not a problem in my case, though, for several reasons |
| [17:53:08] | BenB: | wagnerrp: "episode data"? <episode-num> or subtitle? |
| [17:53:25] | joe2371: | Hmm, I'm using EIT for the digital input, but no source for the analog one. Now I'm even less clear on why the analog input is being used at all. Unless... could it be that it has 2 weeks worth of EIT listings for the channels in questions, and that that is why I see "2 will record"? |
| [17:53:39] | wagnerrp: | episode name or subtitle, at least my listings provider does not give out number |
| [17:54:03] | wagnerrp: | anyway, if you use two different sources, you are almost guaranteed to have slightly different data |
| [17:54:21] | joe2371: | Or is it using cross source EIT or whatever it's called? |
| [17:54:33] | ** joe2371 checks... ** | |
| [17:55:03] | sphery: | iamlindoro: Did you see Dollhouse on the listings? I have no idea why you think Fox is giving it the Firefly treatment. OK, sure, they've moved it to a Friday night airtime. Oh, and the first episode they're airing is episode #102 (ID EP010591060002). But that sounds nothing like what they did Firefly, right? |
| [17:56:01] | joe2371: | I think I may simply have been misinterpreting the 2. It may have been an indication of the priority. |
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| [18:32:51] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Yep, no idea why I would think they were screwing up a Whedon show again. Nope. |
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| [18:44:16] | Dibblah: | Woo hoo – ffmpeg guys are shuffling their arguments again... |
| [18:44:39] | ** Dibblah checks his calendar ** | |
| [18:44:51] | Dibblah: | Yup. They're on schedule – It's a Monday. |
| [18:45:24] | [Peter]: | stable APIs sure doesn't seem to be their cup of tea |
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| [18:49:01] | iamlindoro_: | libmp3lame, mp3, libmp3, lib-mp3-lame, lib-mpeg2layer3-lame, mpeg2layer3-liblame |
| [18:54:59] | JEDIDIAH__: | same network? Sounds like Whedon has corporate enemies |
| [18:56:16] | iamlindoro_: | yes, fox as always |
| [18:56:34] | iamlindoro_: | He swears they're very different now-- not unlike most domestic violence victims |
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| [18:56:42] | iamlindoro_: | "You don't *know* fox like I do!" |
| [18:57:07] | JEDIDIAH__: | different warm bodies or the same old warm bodies "turned over a new leaf" |
| [18:57:57] | iamlindoro_: | different bodies (alleged) |
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| [19:53:21] | pheld: | what happened to the "stop recording" operation in trunk? |
| [19:54:23] | iamlindoro_: | Still there |
| [19:54:28] | iamlindoro_: | Used it last night |
| [19:54:56] | pheld: | not in the menu from the watch_recording screen |
| [19:55:01] | iamlindoro_: | yes it is |
| [19:55:30] | iamlindoro_: | highlight an in-progress recording, press I, press stop recording-- works fine here (tm) |
| [19:57:11] | pheld: | ah. I've been used to the M-triggered menu |
| [19:57:24] | pheld: | it used to be there too |
| [19:57:38] | justinh: | bwahahahahaha. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7864733.stm |
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| [19:58:16] | justinh: | one day, 'I' will bring up programme info, not a menu. Menus will be invoked with mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm :) |
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| [19:58:57] | justinh: | and one day, I'll have done everything I've wanted to do to mythtv for ages |
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| [20:05:25] | GreyFoxx: | pheld: I don't think it was |
| [20:05:29] | GreyFoxx: | It's always been under Info |
| [20:05:39] | GreyFoxx: | and M has always brought up the change groups stuff |
| [20:06:25] | pheld: | must have been elsewhere too. No keys on my remote are mapped to I and i have definitely been able to abort recordings with it before |
| [20:07:05] | GreyFoxx: | Maybe used the right arrow to bring up the I info menu ? (which I think it use to do) |
| [20:07:25] | pheld: | that might be it. |
| [20:07:57] | pheld: | a couple weeks since i used the function last though |
| [20:08:48] | GreyFoxx: | It was removed in the last few weeks when the WatchRecordings screen was ported to mythui |
| [20:09:39] | pheld: | anyway, I agree with justinh that one menu with actions should be enough |
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| [20:38:50] | joe2371: | Is it possible to have seperate default settings for each channel or show? Like, say I want commercial skip on all channels except PBS and HBO, for instance. |
| [20:39:19] | wagnerrp: | joe2371: not per channel, but you can per recording schedule |
| [20:39:40] | wagnerrp: | so anything that you have scheduled on those channels, just turn off automatic comm flagging |
| [20:40:08] | joe2371: | but it needs to be manually set for each new program I schedule for those channels that would not use the default setting? |
| [20:40:12] | sphery: | joe2371: set the PBS and HBO channels to be commfree, then it won't do commflagging, then it won't skip commercials automatically (because there are no marks) |
| [20:40:19] | joe2371: | oic, swell |
| [20:40:58] | sphery: | joe2371: make sure you use mythtv-setup or MythWeb channel editor to set the channels or you will almost definitely do it wrong (if hacking the DB directly) |
| [20:41:29] | joe2371: | Heh. I can barely spell SQL. ;-) I've only used mythtv-setup so far. |
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| [20:41:46] | BassKozz: | LOL: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6209 |
| [20:42:01] | BassKozz: | 'its fucked' :-P |
| [20:42:02] | karl__: | hi ! |
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| [20:42:34] | karl__: | i have constant disk activity watching livetv on my mythbuntu box, anything I can do against this ? |
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| [20:43:18] | squidly: | karl__: not really. how much disk activity are you showing? |
| [20:43:19] | karl__: | i have already set the livetv recording group to use a ramdisk, and its actually writing in there, still the hdd is constantly working |
| [20:43:27] | jams: | BassKozz- no need to repeat profainity. |
| [20:43:37] | BassKozz: | karl__: MythTV records while watching live TV so you can go back and forth, (ff & rew) why would you want to remove that ability? |
| [20:43:42] | karl__: | where can i look up disk activity |
| [20:43:44] | BassKozz: | jams: sorry |
| [20:44:02] | karl__: | because my disk is loud |
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| [20:44:25] | karl__: | it records to the ramdisk in /ram , but still hdd makes constant noise |
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| [20:44:57] | squidly: | karl__: if you have it recoarding to ramdisk then it could very well be hitting swap |
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| [20:46:11] | karl__: | ramdisk is 1gb, i have 2gb, files in /ram are ~500mb |
| [20:46:35] | squidly: | how much other ram are you using with other programs. |
| [20:46:43] | squidly: | vmstat will show you some good info |
| [20:46:46] | karl__: | only mythtv running |
| [20:47:32] | karl__: | ram is full as always with linux, but swap is hardly used at all |
| [20:48:05] | wagnerrp: | karl__: thats because the ram isnt actually in use, its just acting as disk cache |
| [20:48:07] | joe2371: | lsof ? |
| [20:48:21] | squidly: | joe2371: wont show what he's looking for |
| [20:50:36] | jackson__: | The seektable is updated frequently – any idea how often it's updated per minute? guess we could run mythbackend with sql queries displayed in the log... that could account for frequent access. |
| [20:50:42] | clever: | 'free' or 'top' will show the ram usage in some detil |
| [20:50:51] | wagnerrp: | jackson__: as soon as its getting recorded |
| [20:50:56] | joe2371: | I've seen mention of hacks for using spare texture memory as swap. I wonder if it was used as a ramdisk instead, would that prevent the contents from being swapped out, since the kernel (hopefully) will not automatically manage that memory... |
| [20:51:20] | clever: | joe2371: the one i saw would use video memory as a block device |
| [20:51:32] | clever: | which could then be formated as swap and turned on like normal |
| [20:51:50] | joe2371: | then set that swap at a higher priority, maybe. |
| [20:51:57] | clever: | i tried it on my laptop and discovered that the video memory was laid out in 4 mirrors by default |
| [20:52:03] | clever: | so i could only access 25% of the ram |
| [20:52:21] | clever: | though i did find alot of tripy effects from writing to video ram while using compiz! |
| [20:52:34] | karl__: | sry guys, i had logging set to verbose .......... |
| [20:53:08] | karl__: | now its really quiet ! |
| [20:53:17] | karl__: | thanks a lot, found it in lsof btw :) |
| [20:53:35] | clever: | i use block_dump to find out whats writing to the disk alot |
| [20:54:19] | karl__: | its completely silent !!!! Happy !!! |
| [20:54:43] | clever: | i can get my laptops so silent i can hear the cpu |
| [20:55:01] | joe2371: | uh, the fan, I hope you mean. |
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| [20:55:01] | clever: | but that is generaly drowned out by any audio playback, even at low volume |
| [20:55:07] | karl__: | mythtv is great, even my girlfriend likes it |
| [20:55:11] | clever: | joe2371: no the cpu itself, i turned the fan off |
| [20:55:23] | clever: | joe2371: the high freq noise changes with the cpu load |
| [20:55:42] | joe2371: | That sounds like noise affecting yout speaker ground or something. |
| [20:55:51] | squidly: | karl__: what what the issue? |
| [20:55:58] | squidly: | what was grabbing the disk |
| [20:56:01] | clever: | its some kind of leakage in the power suply arroudn the cpu i think |
| [20:56:05] | iamlindoro_: | It's all the tungsten filaments in his ancient CPUs humming |
| [20:56:15] | karl__: | it was logging to the logfile |
| [20:56:20] | iamlindoro_: | and some of the vacuum tubes rattling |
| [20:56:21] | clever: | iamlindoro_: yeah, they vibrate at 2.9ghz!! |
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| [20:56:37] | karl__: | had it set to "-v record" from when i was debugging transcoding |
| [20:56:53] | karl__: | one more problem though: i record scrubs off dvb-t and every now and then the recording is lacking the audio stream |
| [20:56:54] | squidly: | karl__: ahh |
| [20:56:56] | iamlindoro_: | clever: Did you get a grown up CPU while I wasn't looking? |
| [20:56:57] | squidly: | taht would do it |
| [20:57:09] | clever: | iamlindoro_: i still have a 2.9ghz celeron in my desktop |
| [20:57:13] | iamlindoro_: | Pffft |
| [20:57:17] | iamlindoro_: | Guess not then |
| [20:57:28] | clever: | iamlindoro_: i did get a good harddrive:P |
| [20:57:30] | clever: | 1tb! |
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| [20:57:45] | iamlindoro_: | Now get a Jay Oh Bee |
| [20:57:46] | karl__: | i dont really understand how audio can be missing when recording a dvb-t stream |
| [20:57:57] | karl__: | but its really not there, i checked the file with vlc |
| [20:58:09] | squidly: | karl__: my gf likes myth as well. |
| [20:58:26] | squidly: | though she will have to get used to it when I forceably move all our tv's over to it |
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| [20:58:52] | clever: | my dad doesnt realy like it |
| [20:58:57] | karl__: | and it only happens on dvb-t and only in ORF1 which sometimes does transmit multiple audio channels |
| [20:59:09] | karl__: | any ideas what to check ? |
| [20:59:16] | clever: | the video stutters once and he instantly hates it |
| [20:59:20] | squidly: | sorry I dont use dvb-t |
| [20:59:30] | squidly: | clever: ugg that sucks |
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| [20:59:39] | squidly: | well my gf sees some good in it |
| [20:59:52] | squidly: | she just does not want to have to learn it (but that will not be her choice when I move us over) |
| [20:59:56] | squidly: | lol |
| [21:00:20] | clever: | squidly: yeah |
| [21:00:32] | clever: | one idea you could use for thin frontends is to use laptops |
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| [21:00:58] | squidly: | clever: I was thinking of that |
| [21:01:02] | clever: | the dell d630 has a vdpau capable video chip in it, so you can easily do 1080 |
| [21:01:05] | squidly: | but I need to beef up my backend first |
| [21:01:08] | squidly: | it's a bit underpowered |
| [21:01:14] | clever: | my backend is a 400mhz P2 |
| [21:01:18] | karl__: | squidly: thats how i did it: i set up a schedule to record all showings of scrubs. she likes scrubs, she can now watch scrubs whenever she wants, thus she likes mythtv ! :) |
| [21:01:18] | joe2371: | ... I would, if only I could figure out how to add a DVI-D and s/pdif to a laptop that has neither. |
| [21:01:30] | squidly: | my backend does more then just myth |
| [21:01:48] | clever: | joe2371: most of my rooms have a single speaker for output, spdif wont realy do much |
| [21:02:08] | squidly: | it does dhcp, apache, snmp, smtp, ldap, dns, cups |
| [21:02:19] | clever: | squidly: lol:) |
| [21:02:27] | clever: | i have dhcp and dns on the router box |
| [21:02:29] | squidly: | oh samba, torrent seeding, |
| [21:02:36] | squidly: | clever: I didnt want to have to mess with that |
| [21:02:39] | clever: | apache/snmp/cups on the main frontend |
| [21:02:42] | oobe: | /j #firefox |
| [21:02:50] | clever: | apache/snmp on every single box in the house |
| [21:03:15] | squidly: | oobe: you had an extra space there |
| [21:03:31] | squidly: | oh also I does nfs of several dirs |
| [21:03:46] | clever: | i have nearly all systems sharing dir's thru nfs to eachother |
| [21:03:46] | squidly: | if I could get a way to a frontend to netboot over wireless that would really rock |
| [21:03:47] | oobe: | no lol i accidently typed //j #firefox i didnt know the extra / did that |
| [21:03:50] | clever: | complex web of mounts |
| [21:03:54] | squidly: | lol oobe |
| [21:04:05] | clever: | i cant shut any box down without doing umount on 5 others |
| [21:04:07] | squidly: | clever: lol |
| [21:04:13] | oobe: | saved pressing ctl + enter if you really want it to show up |
| [21:04:22] | squidly: | heh |
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| [21:05:04] | squidly: | clever: I use tcp for nfs, makes the mounts more reliable and able to handle my backup shutting down thanks to a bad battery in my ups |
| [21:05:20] | karl__: | hmm, does anyone know if there is a setting in mythtv related to audio streams ? |
| [21:05:21] | clever: | squidly: yeah, but most of mine are mounted in hard mode |
| [21:05:35] | clever: | so when the backend goes down, the client processes hardlock and wont even kill -9 |
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| [21:06:23] | clever: | so i have to restart the nfs server before i can recover the client |
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| [21:07:44] | clever: | which is a pain if im trying to shut everything down |
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| [21:09:19] | clever: | most of my systems also have / on nfs |
| [21:09:28] | joe2371: | When 0.22 comes out, I understand it will stream more content such that shared network drives will be less important. But are there any types of content that will not be streamed? Like games, I assume? |
| [21:09:35] | sphery: | karl__: did you try changing the audio stream? |
| [21:09:42] | justinh: | like games, yeah |
| [21:10:02] | karl__: | sphery: there is no audio stream in the recording |
| [21:10:04] | GreyFoxx: | games wont, music might be, mythvideo content will be an option |
| [21:10:09] | karl__: | i have checked in vlc, its just not there |
| [21:10:14] | GreyFoxx: | photos, no current plans too |
| [21:10:38] | karl__: | i thought myth saves the transport stream, that should contain all audio streams transmitted... |
| [21:11:06] | GreyFoxx: | karl__: myth does assuming you haven't transcoded it |
| [21:11:06] | squidly: | lol clever |
| [21:11:11] | sphery: | karl__: don't know what "checked in vlc" means, but if you didn't inspect the actual contents of the recording using, i.e. ffmpeg or whatever, it's possible it's just choosing the wrong audio stream |
| [21:11:32] | sphery: | same for vlc |
| [21:11:39] | iamlindoro_: | There's also a fair chance that channel icons will be streamed, and if so I'll likely steal that approach and do my best to get cover/fan/banner/screenshot art for mythvideo streaming too |
| [21:11:48] | squidly: | joe2371: games would not be. I would love to be able to stream movies, but that wont happen. |
| [21:12:00] | squidly: | also I would love to shift the transcodeing from my desktop to my server |
| [21:12:03] | iamlindoro_: | squidly: As just stated, that will be in .22 |
| [21:12:26] | squidly: | iamlindoro_: yea I know.. I was tryign to say I will love that |
| [21:12:31] | clever: | squidly: if you change an option in mythtv-setup, then any backend on the network will handle transcoding |
| [21:12:49] | squidly: | clever: of ripped movies? |
| [21:12:50] | clever: | squidly: then just get r/w nfs mounts for your recording dir's and run mythbackend or mythjobueue |
| [21:12:54] | clever: | of recordings |
| [21:13:08] | clever: | ripped movies you would have to run manualy on each system |
| [21:13:13] | squidly: | most of the transcoding I do for recoarded shows on my pack end |
| [21:13:22] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: Looks like you've made some progress on the SG stuff in the past few days |
| [21:13:34] | squidly: | yea. I though of doing something like a portforward on my desktop to a mtd on my server |
| [21:13:40] | joe2371: | will mythjobqueue need to be configured on each FE that wants to help with transcoding? Or will the configuration from the master BE be used? |
| [21:13:43] | GreyFoxx: | yeah, just gotta get the remote folder icons stuff going whcih I'm working on now |
| [21:13:48] | GreyFoxx: | and 1 other small thing and then I'll commit |
| [21:13:54] | GreyFoxx: | and pick awawy at the rest after |
| [21:14:03] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: Awesome |
| [21:14:08] | squidly: | GreyFoxx: rock on! |
| [21:14:15] | karl__: | ah, its the transcoding |
| [21:14:18] | squidly: | any guesses how far away .22 is? |
| [21:14:25] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: Is the SG stuff sorta kinda self explanatory? If I needed to pick your brain to port it to other media, would that be okay? |
| [21:14:28] | GreyFoxx: | I wont commit until the folder icons work since once I commit my main box will start using it :) |
| [21:14:30] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: speaking of channel icons in the storage groups, when doing the MythVideo SG patch, did you make the creation of SG's for MythVideo optional or mandatory? |
| [21:14:31] | justinh: | squidly: much further, now you've asked |
| [21:14:37] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: Yeah it will be simple |
| [21:14:37] | joe2371: | as soon as we get tired of asking when it will come out |
| [21:14:40] | karl__: | it seems to lose audio when it transcodes recordings with multiple audio streams |
| [21:14:42] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: Sweet |
| [21:14:44] | justinh: | every time somebody asks it moves further away |
| [21:14:49] | GreyFoxx: | sphery: Completely optional |
| [21:14:53] | GreyFoxx: | If it exists it will use it |
| [21:15:04] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: how do you find out if it exists (did you add the code)? |
| [21:15:06] | GreyFoxx: | otherwise it''s just business as usual |
| [21:15:17] | karl__: | does anyone know if there is a way around it ? i.e. set the audio stream used in the transcoding job ? |
| [21:15:20] | GreyFoxx: | sphery: Yup |
| [21:15:24] | squidly: | justinh: lol |
| [21:15:49] | GreyFoxx: | sphery: Once I move the remote file stuff the channel icons via this will be really trivial |
| [21:16:05] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: so, now you have to bug GreyFoxx as I can't do my channel icons/thumbnails SG support patches until his approach for figuring out if a SG is defined is committed... :) |
| [21:16:10] | iamlindoro_: | nice, that should go for mythvideo iamgery too |
| [21:16:22] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Sounds like he's close, get back to work ;) |
| [21:16:44] | GreyFoxx: | hehe I had a bad week or so where no work really happened |
| [21:16:52] | GreyFoxx: | but found some time yesterday and today |
| [21:16:56] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: yeah, the problem with the channel icons is that we have a lot of code to deal with them. If I make channel icons SG optional, then we just add more code to it (versus simplifying/removing code), so I was hoping you had gone the mandatory way... :) |
| [21:17:16] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: so how did you do the code to check if it exists? Are you checking on a per-backend basis? |
| [21:17:36] | squidly: | sphery: I would think storing the info if they exist in the db |
| [21:17:44] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: Does it prefer SG to the Util/Setup settings in all cases? |
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| [21:17:52] | sphery: | squidly: there's a bit more to it than that :) |
| [21:17:58] | GreyFoxx: | sphery QStringList moo = StorageGroup::getGroupDirs("Videos"); |
| [21:18:12] | GreyFoxx: | It returns all groups/hosts with Mythvideo groups defined and the paths |
| [21:18:14] | oobe: | can someone ctcp version pm me the results /ctcp oobe VERSION |
| [21:18:18] | squidly: | sphery: well yea I know, but a overly simplified solution would be a database |
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| [21:18:28] | clever: | oobe: lol |
| [21:18:33] | karl__: | hmm, i had a look. transcoding series with multiple audio streams seems to fail sometimes and in the other cases lose audio... |
| [21:18:35] | squidly: | oobe: lol |
| [21:18:40] | iamlindoro_: | ie you have the globalsettings.cpp stuff where once you enter the menu, you've officially got a setting for that host-- I presume if there's a SG it will always take precedence |
| [21:18:46] | GreyFoxx: | Gotta run to get my little one daycare, back in a bit |
| [21:18:47] | oobe: | does it say xchat aswell as i am not a botty |
| [21:18:54] | clever: | oobe: it says both |
| [21:18:54] | squidly: | later GreyFoxx |
| [21:18:57] | oobe: | cause when i do myself it says both |
| [21:18:59] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: It's an in addition to, not overridding |
| [21:19:03] | oobe: | oh well |
| [21:19:07] | squidly: | oobe: yea it says the same for me |
| [21:19:08] | oobe: | its still funny |
| [21:19:09] | GreyFoxx: | and iut will mix both in the displayed list in video list/browser/gallery |
| [21:19:17] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: if you create a new StorageGroup and specify a group name, the Init() falls back to the default storage group if that group doesn't exist. And, to make it worse, if you create an SG and specify group and hostname, it falls back to default if the group was defined /only/ on the master backend. |
| [21:19:17] | ** GreyFoxx runs out ** | |
| [21:19:18] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: ah |
| [21:21:55] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: so, if you create a storage group StorageGroup sgroup("Videos"), you will /always/ get a valid SG, so if you then use GetDirList() but the user hasn't defined a "Videos" group, you'll get the dirlist of the "Default" SG. |
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| [21:23:32] | iamlindoro_: | Not sure about how the "two ways to do the same setting" thing strikes me-- seems like it'd be good to make a clean break with the past and just go all storage groups |
| [21:24:56] | ** sphery likes SG only approach, too ** | |
| [21:25:23] | iamlindoro_: | That said, I guess it simplifies handling "legacy" libraries |
| [21:25:53] | sphery: | yeah, but legacy libraries are the responsibility of the people maintaining the out-of-tree code... :) |
| [21:26:20] | karl__: | so no info about audio streams and transcoding ? |
| [21:26:41] | iamlindoro_: | But could try to pull a gContext->GetSetting() for the old style video setting when entering the Videos storage group for the first time and offer to convert it to a SG |
| [21:27:21] | sphery: | karl__: usually transcoding a recording with multiple audio streams fails by choosing the wrong audio track as the default... you just change the audio track to play the one you want (i.e. the one with actual audio) |
| [21:29:03] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: yeah, for channel icons, I was considering just taking the paths for every icon specified in channel.icon and adding it to a "Channel Icons" SG during a DB update. Then, it's the user's responsibility to clean up the SG definition/make sure the master backend process has access to all required dirs/icon files. |
| [21:30:17] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Yeah, was thinking do a SELECT * from settings where value = 'VideoStartupDir'; |
| [21:30:27] | karl__: | shpery: there is no audio data in the resulting file |
| [21:30:36] | iamlindoro_: | If it returns null, set up a new SG like normal-- if it returns a value, then offer to do a conversion |
| [21:31:08] | iamlindoro_: | Then just dump the value into the SG, should be simple as pie-- maybe once Greyfoxx has it committed I'll see about doing that |
| [21:31:58] | jams: | when people use the term "simple as pie" it often ends up a long drawn out process. At least thats my experiance. |
| [21:33:02] | iamlindoro_: | jams: They also tend to use it when they expect someone else to do it for them-- I don't. :) |
| [21:33:59] | jams: | well i suppose thats just "strawberry on the shortcake" |
| [21:34:23] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: yeah... The only difficulty comes in when you realize that SG's are specified on the master backend and only overridden on slave backends (so you get SG's when there are none or get the wrong SG), and not every backend has access to directories that are accessible by frontends... |
| [21:34:32] | iamlindoro_: | Or Ice Cream on the pie? |
| [21:34:40] | sphery: | Guess I have to wait to see GreyFoxx's changes to see if it helps the problem I'm seeing with the current SG code. |
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| [21:38:29] | sphery: | Wow... Between 4:24 and 4:26, I sent myself 121 spam e-mail. (At least the From address says I sent them.) |
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| [21:38:52] | iamlindoro_: | Stop doing that ;) |
| [21:39:13] | sphery: | I really wish I could. |
| [21:39:26] | outlier: | I wonder if anyone here could throw me a clue about partitioning & raid for a back-end that's going to feed a whole-house setup. I'm confused by what to pick for blocks, chunks, strides, swidths, etc to avoid crippling the throughput. |
| [21:39:48] | wagnerrp: | outlier: for recordings, dont. use storage groups |
| [21:39:54] | wagnerrp: | and independent drives |
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| [21:40:08] | sphery: | Have a folder for e-mails sent from unidentified senders and had put any e-mail from myself into there, but just broke it out into a different folder because it was becoming a large proportion of the total number of spam e-mails. |
| [21:40:15] | outlier: | Independent drives over RAID10 ? Why? |
| [21:40:42] | sphery: | outlier: he means, don't use RAID. |
| [21:41:14] | wagnerrp: | outlier: youre only running one disk for a recording, instead of 4, and you get much better concurrent IO with multiple drives |
| [21:41:17] | sphery: | outlier: if you use RAID for MythTV recordings, the files will become heavily fragmented and I/O bandwidth will all go through the RAID system. |
| [21:41:31] | wagnerrp: | unless TV is so important that you cannot risk losing it, dont bother |
| [21:41:59] | sphery: | outlier: if you use independent drives, Myth will balance I/O load across filesystems, so by using different filesystems on different disks, you spread out the I/O across spindles. |
| [21:42:04] | wagnerrp: | yeah, with four drives, you can run four recordings without them getting fragmented |
| [21:42:36] | wagnerrp: | if you try to run those four otherwise, your file system will be fragmented to hell, further increasing disk load and wear |
| [21:42:39] | sphery: | outlier: and, if you have at least 1 filesystem per input (i.e. per "tuner"), you won't get fragmentation from recording |
| [21:42:43] | outlier: | I was thinking I'd need the RAID to get enough bandwidth, though.... I see. Didn't know Myth did that. |
| [21:42:57] | sphery: | so, as he said, you /only/ use RAID if your TV is so important you can't bear to lose any of it. |
| [21:43:04] | wagnerrp: | outlier: the hardest youre going to run is about 2MB/s/recording |
| [21:43:18] | wagnerrp: | any decent modern hard drive should be able to handle 10 of those |
| [21:43:29] | outlier: | TV isn't such a big deal – the video archive will be though; lots of hours to replace it when the disk dies. |
| [21:43:42] | wagnerrp: | before it starts to get outstripped by concurrent access and reseeking |
| [21:43:44] | gbee: | pushing 3MB/s for HD |
| [21:43:58] | sphery: | fortunately, that's a different setting, so you can set the MythVideo directory to one that's using RAID. :) |
| [21:44:16] | wagnerrp: | US HD will only average about 2MB/s, european HD can be a bit higher |
| [21:44:20] | outlier: | I was under the impression 1080p stuff went up to 40MB/s by itself (not that it's that common, of course) |
| [21:44:35] | wagnerrp: | outlier: bluray can get up to ~40mbps |
| [21:44:56] | wagnerrp: | thats much less than 40MBps |
| [21:44:57] | outlier: | Recording will be straight OTA HD |
| [21:45:02] | sphery: | gbee: I think in the US it's limited by ATSC to just over 2.25MiB/sec, but you don't see that in the real world. |
| [21:45:21] | outlier: | OK, then I guess I'm stressing about nothing then. |
| [21:45:22] | gbee: | now you might want RAID for data security, MythTV doesn't mirror and so if a drive fails (fast) then you'll be unable to recover those videos/recordings |
| [21:45:23] | wagnerrp: | ATSC is limited to ~19mbps, but youre not likely to average more than about 16mbps for a single recording |
| [21:46:11] | wagnerrp: | usually if you want to store large amounts of video, you rip out the commercials, transcode it, and move it over to mythvideo |
| [21:46:19] | wagnerrp: | possibly stored in a raid array there |
| [21:46:19] | sphery: | Hmmm... I guess I do have 1 channel that's using the full bandwidth. |
| [21:46:28] | outlier: | I'm looking at probably recording from 2 tuners (I figured 12mbps or so each, tops) and feeding 3 HD streams. That sounded like a lot without some striping. |
| [21:46:31] | sphery: | So, I do see that in the real world. :) |
| [21:46:44] | gbee: | DVB HD streams reach 22Mb/s here, but that doesn't really change the point, which is that bandwidth is not an issue |
| [21:47:08] | sphery: | outlier: remember mega/bits/ is much different from mega/bytes/ |
| [21:47:18] | sphery: | about 8x different, in fact. :) |
| [21:47:27] | gbee: | or exactly |
| [21:47:31] | outlier: | exactly |
| [21:47:44] | sphery: | yeah, unless you go historical, and all... :) |
| [21:49:09] | sphery: | (bytes have spanned the range from 5–12 bits, TTBOMK) |
| [21:49:11] | outlier: | OK – so I get a total of 60mbps for 2 HD tuners + 3 HD screens going at once. |
| [21:49:42] | outlier: | Given some overhead, that still sounds like a stretch for single spindles. |
| [21:49:46] | sphery: | outlier: your network bandwidth will be saturated long before your HDD bandwidth will |
| [21:49:49] | wagnerrp: | outlier: so total you were expecting some 36megabits per second of traffic, and modern hard drives peak somewhere over 100megabytes per second |
| [21:49:53] | wagnerrp: | where was the issue? |
| [21:50:32] | sphery: | 36Mb/s = ~4.5MB/sec |
| [21:50:50] | outlier: | I haven't ever seen that high on my own – and it varies depending on where you are on the drive, I believe. |
| [21:50:55] | sphery: | 60Mb/s = 7.5MB/sec |
| [21:51:07] | wagnerrp: | yeah, the low end on modern drives is maybe around 50MB/s |
| [21:51:19] | outlier: | The 50 figure is more like what I see. |
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| [21:51:39] | wagnerrp: | now obviously that is a single sequential access |
| [21:51:39] | sphery: | outlier: and if it's a single spindle, seeking will kill you long before bandwidth, so you're better off taking those multiple drives you were planning to use for RAID and using them as separate spindles |
| [21:51:40] | justinh: | so umm... 7.5 < 50 yes ? |
| [21:51:41] | outlier: | So I figured to put 8 drives in RAID10, and get up into the 200mbps range. |
| [21:51:52] | wagnerrp: | concurrent access will kill you on speed |
| [21:51:58] | justinh: | outlier: you're still confusing bits with BYTES |
| [21:52:12] | wagnerrp: | but you should be able to manage 10 or so recordings before you overload one hard drive |
| [21:52:22] | wagnerrp: | its the fragmentation that will kill you |
| [21:52:22] | sphery: | outlier: 8 drives on RAID10 would likely be 200M /bytes/ per second |
| [21:52:34] | sphery: | fragmentation and seeking kills |
| [21:52:39] | wagnerrp: | rapid seeking will cause far more wear than sequential access will |
| [21:52:54] | sphery: | friends don't let friends RAID their recording drives |
| [21:53:01] | wagnerrp: | meaning its very likely that raid on a single file system will kill the drives faster than storage groups and independent file systems |
| [21:53:08] | JEDIDIAH__: | my local PBS channel has some really high bitrate broadcasts. The rest are pretty meagre |
| [21:53:38] | sphery: | kills = prebuffering pause/IO wait (I didn't mean it kills the HDD) |
| [21:53:46] | sphery: | kills Myth performance |
| [21:54:17] | wagnerrp: | i meant kills the hard drive |
| [21:54:23] | wagnerrp: | but im also talking about years of use |
| [21:54:32] | outlier: | OK – point taken. Independent spindles reduces fragmentation, and I can still mirror the old-fashioned way (i.e. backups). |
| [21:54:58] | sphery: | JEDIDIAH__: doesn't your local PBS channel have multiple subchannels? If so, their total bandwidth (summed) is guaranteed to be 19.39Mbps or less. |
| [21:55:18] | wagnerrp: | well like i said, a lot of myth users record to single drives, and then back up to mythvideo on a raid |
| [21:55:19] | sphery: | I have one channel that's pushing right at 19Mbps out. |
| [21:55:30] | sphery: | WKCF = CW affiliate |
| [21:55:46] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Oddly enough, my CW is the one I have at absolute max too |
| [21:55:46] | wagnerrp: | ive got a trio of 300GBs for recording, and then another 3.75TB in raid6 for long term storage |
| [21:56:11] | wagnerrp: | oddly enough, my CW comes in as a standard definition subchannel on my CBS feed |
| [21:56:52] | sphery: | outlier: if you really want redundancy/data safety, you can make a RAID system, then record to non-RAID drives and if you want to keep something, move it to the RAID'ed filesystem after the recording. |
| [21:57:00] | wagnerrp: | no HD teen angst for me.... |
| [21:57:46] | JEDIDIAH__: | my local PBS affiliate doesn't muck around with subchannels. All the other stations do though. |
| [21:58:04] | wagnerrp: | both of my PBS stations have at least 3 subchannels each |
| [21:58:50] | sphery: | mine has 5 subchannels |
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| [21:59:31] | sphery: | but they still put out about 6GiB/hr on the main HDTV channel (they shut off some subchannels during primetime so they can allocate it to the main channel when it's doing HDTV). |
| [22:00:13] | sphery: | Max would be 8.126GiB/hr |
| [22:00:26] | outlier: | So.. if I got it straight now, with my big box 'o drives, I want the OS to be mirrored, each tuner to get it's own partition (or it's own spindle), and a RAID for the archive. |
| [22:01:04] | sphery: | outlier: right, though you can't specify which tuner gets which filesystem/partition |
| [22:01:08] | wagnerrp: | outlier: if you expect the OS drive to kick it, sure |
| [22:01:19] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | wagnerrp: one of my PBS channels just has 1 sub-channel, the other has 3 sub-channels. |
| [22:01:23] | sphery: | outlier: Myth will choose to use not-in-use filesystems automatically |
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| [22:02:43] | RDV_Linux: | iamlindoro: I have been watching the exiting themes being created by a few members. Of particular interest is the inclusion of poster, fanart and banners. My question is will there be the ability to have database entries for video's that I have on DVD but do not have a resident video file on my hardrive? |
| [22:02:45] | RDV_Linux: | I want to have a view of my full collection of video's that are on HD and DVD's which incorrporate posters, fanart, banners and metadata. Right now it seems if I do a rescan I would loose any database entries that do not have video files. |
| [22:02:45] | wagnerrp: | although ive got a pair of myth boxes, so if one outright failed, i could swap the other one over, tuners and all, in about 10 minutes |
| [22:03:41] | wagnerrp: | RDV_Linux: on -fixes, it will ask you if you want to remove content. on trunk, it will just remove it |
| [22:03:45] | outlier: | sphery: I figure the OS will die eventually |
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| [22:04:14] | outlier: | More properly, whatever disk I put the OS on is going to wear out at some point. |
| [22:04:26] | sphery: | wagnerrp: same here (actually, a pair of dedicated backends and a single dedicated frontend), but I also backup important configuration details, so I could also take a filesystem image of the surviving one and reconfigure it to be exactly like the other was before it died. |
| [22:04:34] | RDV_Linux: | wagnerrp: I run truck as my only recorder is a HD-PVR. |
| [22:04:40] | justinh: | outlier: you don't need worry about that much |
| [22:05:15] | wagnerrp: | outlier: that depends, if its a dedicated myth box, it will load up what it needs in memory, and then hardly ever touch the boot disk |
| [22:05:20] | justinh: | my last backend / drive lasted a few years, just replaced it as a preventative measure at the weekend |
| [22:05:22] | wagnerrp: | unless you have mysql on the boot disk too |
| [22:05:55] | outlier: | wagnerrp: It will likely have other duties as well – running backups, and such. |
| [22:05:59] | justinh: | and it'd been on 24/7 for its whole life |
| [22:06:09] | justinh: | just an ordinary desktop drive :) |
| [22:06:27] | justinh: | and at the end of the day.. it's only ever TV |
| [22:06:28] | sphery: | outlier: right, ideally, make sure you put the MySQL database files on a disk that's not used for recording |
| [22:06:34] | RDV_Linux: | I know I could create zero length file to fake out the scan but that seems a little stupid when I have over 800 DVDs. |
| [22:06:56] | outlier: | wagnerrp: How big does the DB get? |
| [22:07:05] | justinh: | depends |
| [22:07:15] | justinh: | anything up to oooooh 100MB ! |
| [22:07:28] | sphery: | justinh: I completely agree with the "only TV" sentiment. However, my mythconverg DB is the 2nd-most-important(-to-me) data on my entire network. |
| [22:07:33] | wagnerrp: | outlier: yeah, i think mine is around 70MB at the momenr |
| [22:07:43] | justinh: | sphery: which is why I back it up every morning :) |
| [22:07:46] | sphery: | 1st being the configuration details for my entire network (each host) |
| [22:07:57] | sphery: | justinh: yep, |
| [22:08:08] | gbee: | 96M /var/lib/mysql/mythconverg/ |
| [22:08:48] | sphery: | <shameless-plug>and with the wonderful backup scripts ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore ), backing up the Myth DB is /easy/</shameless-plug> |
| [22:09:17] | outlier: | So – what I had figured to do was partition each of the 8 disks identically (20g for root, 4g for swap, the rest for recordings & archive) – root would be RAID1, and archive would be RAID10. I guess I need to re-think that. |
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| [22:11:17] | dustybin: | I think its time to start planning a future HD backend :D |
| [22:11:53] | wagnerrp: | 238GB for the upcomming glut of recordings |
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| [22:12:05] | wagnerrp: | i should probably swap in another 300GB for more recording space |
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| [22:12:28] | joe2371: | Would it be possible to have mythtv use an IR-blaster to change the TV's stretch/zoom mode whenever the aspect ratio of the content changes? I have a couple of Sony WEGAs that require a fair amount of fiddling depending on whether I'm watching a 4:3 source or a 16:9 one. On a related note, for 4:3 content over DVI-D, one of them flat-out requires that I force the signal source to output 480p, because the four-sided letterboxing i |
| [22:12:43] | sphery: | outlier: 268MiB for my mythconverg DB with 579 recordings. (The DB is relatively small, but because it stores just over 2 records in the DB for each second of recorded video, it grows large only due to having a lot of recorded program.) |
| [22:12:49] | gbee: | 20G for root? I don't think I've ever given more than 7Gb to a root partition and the norm is around 5Gb which usually leaves me a good 1Gb free most of the time |
| [22:13:01] | Dibblah: | joe2371: There's a patch in Trac that helps with that. |
| [22:13:10] | Dibblah: | Autozooms in on the active area. |
| [22:13:14] | justinh: | over 200MB? oof |
| [22:13:27] | outlier: | gbee: True, but you probably put /home on its own partition, right? |
| [22:13:37] | gbee: | aye |
| [22:13:41] | sphery: | outlier: the backup of my database is 43.6MiB when gzip compressed (with bzip2, it would be about 30% smaller--about 30MiB). |
| [22:13:41] | Dibblah: | sphery: Errr... It doesn't? |
| [22:13:47] | iamlindoro_: | I'm at 177 MB, just low enough to escape justinh's scorn ;) |
| [22:13:56] | Dibblah: | The seektable only has names for video. |
| [22:14:04] | Dibblah: | Recordings are fine. |
| [22:14:11] | dustybin: | 129 programmes, using 226 GB (5 days 5 hrs 23 mins) out of 372 GB (146 GB free). |
| [22:14:22] | gbee: | if I could be bothered to strip out the unnecessary packages, I'd expect a root partition wouldn't even need half that 4Gb |
| [22:14:24] | ** Dibblah checks his statement :) ** | |
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| [22:14:28] | outlier: | sphery: Well, sounds like the DB can sit on the same filesystem with the OS then without too much crowding. |
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| [22:14:51] | sphery: | outlier: yeah, it won't take much space at all |
| [22:14:52] | joe2371: | Dibblah: but if the zooming is not done by the TV, then I would be forced to use 480p for all output from that FE, because it assumes 16:9 for higher resolutions. In which case, the zooming would backfire. |
| [22:15:24] | Dibblah: | You use the highest res that the TV supports. |
| [22:15:34] | kghunt: | my videos directory is set to /var/lib/mythvideo on my laptop. Where do I point it to to get the vids off my backend? No idea how to path to shares on nfs and nix |
| [22:15:47] | Dibblah: | Then the output is autoscaled (allowing for aspect ratio) |
| [22:15:54] | justinh: | 117MB here in /var/lib/mysql. zoiks |
| [22:16:09] | Dibblah: | joe2371: The patch looks for black bars and removes them. |
| [22:16:09] | sphery: | *shudder*recordings in /var! |
| [22:16:33] | joe2371: | Dibblah: my point is that "the highest res that the TV supports" is different depending on the aspect ratio. So if I set it to 1080i output for all content, and it outputs 1080i at 4:3, then the black bars will get added... by the TV! |
| [22:16:37] | sphery: | justinh: yeah, and probably about half of the DB size is actually MySQL index files (MYI) |
| [22:16:49] | sphery: | on-disk DB size, that is |
| [22:16:58] | kghunt: | where do i point my remote frontend to? |
| [22:17:05] | Dibblah: | I don't see your issue. |
| [22:17:38] | Dibblah: | If your output device is widescreen, use a widescreen mode. |
| [22:17:40] | justinh: | kghunt: export the dir over nfs & mount it to the same point on the frontend |
| [22:17:48] | justinh: | Dibblah: or not :) |
| [22:17:54] | sphery: | kghunt: the mythvideo directory has to be exactly the same on /all/ hosts (unless you use an ugly hack with multiple dirs in VideoStartupDir) |
| [22:18:00] | Dibblah: | Meh. |
| [22:18:10] | ** Dibblah completely doesn't see the issue. ** | |
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| [22:18:20] | sphery: | kghunt: so you must mount your remote filesystems at the same location everywhere |
| [22:18:32] | kghunt: | i have no idea how to mount the share? but surely it is already mounted because my recordings work? |
| [22:18:44] | justinh: | better to use sensible directory names rather than that /var/lib junk |
| [22:18:49] | sphery: | kghunt: recordings don't need to be local |
| [22:18:54] | sphery: | the backend streams them |
| [22:18:57] | justinh: | kghunt: videos are not streamed |
| [22:18:58] | sphery: | (when necessary) |
| [22:19:02] | gbee: | outlier: even a home partition for a dedicated mythtv box doesn't need that much space, lets say another 5Gb just to be on the safe side, leaving plenty of room for a copy of the source code, image caches and driver downloads etc, it's upto you but I'd want to squeeze every last Gb from it for recordings – even my swap partitions are rarely more than 1Gb |
| [22:19:03] | justinh: | recordings ARE |
| [22:19:03] | kghunt: | oic |
| [22:19:20] | sphery: | right, recordings != videos :) |
| [22:19:49] | justinh: | my dev environment on my laptop lives in only 10GB :) |
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| [22:20:24] | outlier: | gbee OK – noted. |
| [22:20:36] | joe2371: | Dibblah: what I mean is that the TV forces all video greater than 480 lines to its widescreen mode. Even if that content is supposed to be 4:3. I see where the confusion lies: they are 4:3 HDTVs that do 16:9 enhancement. |
| [22:20:45] | iamlindoro_: | Here comes some pasting of df output by our local layabout... |
| [22:21:03] | iamlindoro_: | Something along the lines of "I have 100 GB in my entire house!" |
| [22:21:06] | kghunt: | is there a way to browse nfs shares? |
| [22:21:13] | Dibblah: | joe2371: No, the confusion comes in that Myth knows the source resolution and aspect ratio. |
| [22:21:25] | Dibblah: | So it can scale the output itsself. |
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| [22:22:03] | Dibblah: | As in Myth will only output a 4:3 image from a 4:3 source on a 16:9 screen. |
| [22:22:14] | Dibblah: | With "black bars" at the sides. |
| [22:22:52] | kghunt: | "//192.168.1.2/" is this a valid network path? |
| [22:23:16] | joe2371: | They support 16:9 by simply not drawing scanlines at the top and bottom of the tube. But they squeeze more lines into the middle of the image. So using the entire tube will always cause lower resolution output. |
| [22:23:39] | sphery: | kghunt: I recommend reading at http://nfs.sourceforge.net/ and http://nfs.sourceforge.net/nfs-howto/ |
| [22:23:48] | gbee: | boring in here tonight, must be because it's monday |
| [22:23:58] | Dibblah: | joe2371: That would just be nasty. |
| [22:24:11] | sphery: | kghunt: if you're more comfortable with Samba/CIFS, though, you can use that instead (Myth doesn't care which you use) |
| [22:24:12] | ** iamlindoro_ shoots a drifter to satisfy gbee's sense of adventure ** | |
| [22:24:20] | ** Dibblah is glad he has a DLP projector and doesn't have to worry about all of this CRT wierdness. ** | |
| [22:24:21] | joe2371: | You are saying that myth can't draw a 4:3 image on a 4:3 screen without pidgeonholing, or whatever it's called? |
| [22:24:31] | Dibblah: | No. |
| [22:24:35] | iamlindoro_: | I'll drop a coin in the player piano and hang from the chandelier too |
| [22:24:39] | justinh: | letterboxing |
| [22:24:50] | Dibblah: | I'm saying if you have a 4:3 image and a 4:3 screen, Myth won't scale it. |
| [22:24:54] | gbee: | well I feel sorry for the drifter because he died in vane, I'm still not more than mildly entertained |
| [22:24:54] | joe2371: | justinh: double letterboxing, I mean. |
| [22:24:58] | sphery: | I think what joe2371 is saying is that his TV does some funky scaling thing |
| [22:25:01] | gbee: | vain |
| [22:25:05] | justinh: | pillarboxed letterbox |
| [22:25:15] | Dibblah: | His TV needs taken out and shot, then. ;) |
| [22:25:27] | Dibblah: | And then shot again, just to make sure. |
| [22:25:29] | justinh: | if you have a 4:3 screen showing a 4:3 image.. no problem. so long as your signal touches the sides |
| [22:25:37] | gbee: | sphery: sounds pretty much like myth's fill modes |
| [22:25:38] | sphery: | I know of a projector that does the same thing |
| [22:25:48] | justinh: | you need banishthewelly-top, aka nvidia-settings |
| [22:25:56] | sphery: | gbee: yeah, but on the TV it's unwanted when Myth is doing it properly |
| [22:26:04] | gbee: | aye |
| [22:26:13] | ** Dibblah sees the death of fill modes. ** | |
| [22:26:17] | Dibblah: | Most of them, anyway. |
| [22:26:22] | joe2371: | What I said was that my TV does automatic letterboxing when the input source is >480p. So I want to have all 4:3 content output at 480p, and all other content output normally. |
| [22:26:33] | justinh: | ugh. turn it off |
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| [22:27:14] | justinh: | joe2371: you can't do that without using different modes with xrandr |
| [22:27:14] | gbee: | joe2371: it would take resolution switching, which is nasty |
| [22:27:35] | joe2371: | :-/ |
| [22:27:44] | sphery: | joe2371: your best bet is to have Myth do the scaling/zoom and always output one resolution |
| [22:27:47] | ** gbee ponders why anyone would manufacturer a 4:3 HDTV ** | |
| [22:27:55] | justinh: | release the balloons! he did the magic smiley! |
| [22:28:18] | Dibblah: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4872 |
| [22:28:25] | justinh: | remind me again what 4:3 is... |
| [22:28:33] | sphery: | ratio of width to height |
| [22:28:33] | Dibblah: | OLD! |
| [22:28:41] | justinh: | oh, that thing they used to make before the 21st century |
| [22:28:46] | joe2371: | Well, if you watch mainly 4:3 content, like old movies, then a 4:3 HDTV is handy. |
| [22:29:01] | iamlindoro_: | Your movies have to be REALLY old not to come in 16:9 or 2.35:1 |
| [22:29:08] | kormoc: | wait |
| [22:29:08] | justinh: | ironic you lot call it 'fullscreen' :P |
| [22:29:15] | joe2371: | heh heh |
| [22:29:24] | kormoc: | if you watch old movies, what benefit does HD give you? |
| [22:29:41] | Dibblah: | ... Remastered. |
| [22:29:43] | justinh: | kormoc: plenty old films remastered on BD |
| [22:29:54] | kormoc: | sure |
| [22:30:08] | kormoc: | but what wide-screen tv won't allow you to just pillerbox it? |
| [22:30:19] | Dibblah: | pillarbox. |
| [22:30:24] | justinh: | it's not a wide TV by the sound of it |
| [22:30:26] | gbee: | I still don't quite see why they'd look any better on a 4:3 TV |
| [22:30:43] | ** Dibblah used to have a 4:3 projector. ** | |
| [22:30:52] | Dibblah: | Considered doing an anamorphic lens for it. |
| [22:31:00] | joe2371: | a 4:3 movie will look better on a 4:3 tv if for no other reason than for the lack of pillarboxing. |
| [22:31:12] | sphery: | kormoc: they invent new pixels and encode them with subliminal messages that say, "This movie sure looks great on Blu-Ray. I can't imagine watching it on DVD, let alone broadcast format." |
| [22:31:12] | ** Dibblah was too lazy to do it, though. ** | |
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| [22:31:27] | kormoc: | I fail how to see how a few lines of black is going to look any better or worse then the lack of those lines |
| [22:31:30] | Dibblah: | joe2371: This is really a circular discussion. |
| [22:31:36] | gbee: | and how is pillarboxing any different to the space either side of the TV screen? |
| [22:31:44] | iamlindoro_: | I must admit I really look forward to the vintage Panavision movies coming to BD |
| [22:32:23] | ** Dibblah looks forward to his Walkera 4#3.... ** | |
| [22:32:41] | justinh: | muhhhhhhhh I want my pony NOW! |
| [22:32:44] | justinh: | NOW I SAY!! |
| [22:32:57] | Dibblah: | And nice Myth FE keyboard / marble. |
| [22:33:26] | Dibblah: | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.16044 |
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| [22:34:00] | Dibblah: | (Yes, unfortunately, sometimes I need a keyboard / mouse on the FE) |
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| [22:39:40] | squidly: | Dibblah: the link is not working for me |
| [22:40:02] | Dibblah: | Odd. |
| [22:41:14] | Dibblah: | Maybe your squid is misconfigured? |
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| [22:41:47] | squidly: | Dibblah: lol |
| [22:41:52] | squidly: | i doubt it, |
| [22:42:08] | squidly: | i had to manually type it so 10–1 I miss typed somehting |
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| [22:42:58] | squidly: | yea I miss typed it |
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| [22:45:00] | Dibblah: | There's this new invention called the 'clipboard'. |
| [22:45:10] | Dibblah: | Great for helping save typos. |
| [22:45:45] | squidly: | not when i'm on 2 different boxen ;) |
| [22:45:55] | squidly: | clipboards dont work between boxes |
| [22:46:04] | Dibblah: | Really? Mine do. |
| [22:46:22] | squidly: | Dibblah: well i'm on 2 different consoles |
| [22:46:35] | squidly: | ssh does work yes, but not when I'm consoled in to the 2 boxen |
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| [22:46:54] | squidly: | one is a test server/revcovery desktop and the other is my new lappy |
| [22:47:46] | Dibblah: | I guess people don't use gpm any more. |
| [22:48:05] | squidly: | Dibblah: 2 different physical system? |
| [22:48:13] | directhex: | only RH installed gpm by default iirc |
| [22:48:23] | squidly: | directhex: iirc yes. |
| [22:48:28] | squidly: | debain I know does not. |
| [22:48:31] | Dibblah: | With GPM, you can copy and paste between VTs. |
| [22:48:33] | squidly: | neither does ubuntu or gentoo |
| [22:48:43] | squidly: | Dibblah: 2 DIFFERENT PHYSICAL SYSTEM! |
| [22:48:56] | Dibblah: | ssh in one VT ;) |
| [22:49:05] | ** squidly bangs head on desk ** | |
| [22:49:23] | ** Dibblah can't hear it. ** | |
| [22:49:39] | Dibblah: | Maybe it's not the desk you're in IRC on? |
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| [23:03:21] | joe2371: | Let me try to ask a related, yet hopefully less scandalous question. Is there a way to get mythtv to control scripts? Say I want to have mythtv pass some info about the current program to my script. Would I have to replace references to mplayer and xine with a script to get this behavior? Or is there a tidier way? |
| [23:04:07] | directhex: | mplayer & xine? |
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| [23:04:28] | directhex: | myth uses no external player, except optionally in mythvideo |
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| [23:06:37] | joe2371: | Ah. Well then for mythvideo, then. So for the case of streaming video, there would not be a place to let my script hook in? |
| [23:06:57] | Dagmar: | Not unless your script is what's going to be doign the playing |
| [23:07:01] | wagnerrp: | mythtv only does streaming video through mythweb |
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| [23:07:52] | joe2371: | oic. Hmm. So I would need to patch in this ability, or do without. |
| [23:08:20] | wagnerrp: | do you want to stream TV to a remote computer? or stream video like youtube? |
| [23:08:33] | wagnerrp: | the former is what mythweb will do |
| [23:08:50] | wagnerrp: | the latter, there is a 3rd party plugin trunk named mythtube |
| [23:09:22] | wagnerrp: | and there is another 3rd party plugin for for trunk named mythvodka, that i believe does hulu |
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| [23:10:48] | directhex: | jingoist rubbish! |
| [23:20:13] | joe2371: | My intention is to use scripting to accommodate quirks in my home theater components. Rather than patch mythtv, and rather than be forced to put up with the quirks, and rather than be forced to replace otherwise perfectly good components... I'd just have some scripts that would do whatever would need doing for each FE. Like mucking around with xrandr, or sending X10 signals, or doing other things. Basically, it would put the onu |
| [23:23:52] | Dagmar: | So dude, it's very simple. |
| [23:23:54] | Dagmar: | Use a wrapper. |
| [23:24:21] | sphery: | Dibblah: (just caught your comment) The DB does grow large due to the seektable, even for recordings (non-MythVideo recordings, that is). By that I mean the DB size will be relatively constant over time from 1yr usage to infinity, with the exception that it will grow larger as you have more recordings and shrink as you delete recordings. I.e. my recordedseek table is 110MiB with 100MiB of index and the rest of my DB combined ... |
| [23:24:23] | Dagmar: | Write a little program that takes the filename it's handed, and goes and looks up whetevr little hacks you wanna do in a simple database, it can be another mysql table or a flat file, and just does them before invoking mplayer |
| [23:24:27] | sphery: | ... is 58MiB and I have 0 seektable entries for MythVideo files. |
| [23:28:01] | joe2371: | but I thought I was just told that mythtv doesn't use an external player for most purposes. other than for MythVideo. |
| [23:28:13] | Dagmar: | It doesnt' need one but it *can* use one |
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| [23:28:40] | sphery: | It can't use it for recordings playback (i.e. playback from Watch Recordings in mythfrontend). |
| [23:28:52] | sphery: | If you move recordings to MythVideo, then it /can/. |
| [23:29:02] | joe2371: | oic |
| [23:29:10] | sphery: | but the default for MythVideo is to use Internal player as much as possible. |
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| [23:30:00] | sphery: | IMHO, you're better off finding a way to make Myth's internal player do what you want. Otherwise, use Freevo or something, instead of Myth. |
| [23:30:26] | joe2371: | I see. Ok, I'll keep that in mind. |
| [23:30:54] | sphery: | Dibblah: but I will agree that when making seektables for MythVideo videos, the DB will grow much faster than when just making normal recordings. |
| [23:31:53] | sphery: | AFAIU, MythTV = 1 program that does everything itself and Freevo = a means of integrating a bunch of external programs (like MPlayer and XMLTV and ...) to make something like Myth |
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