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Sunday, February 1st, 2009, 00:01 UTC

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justinh:

here we go. reinstalling mysql-server-5.0

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justinh:

invoke-rc.d: initscript mysql, action "start" failed

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justinh:

heh. bind-address was for the old machine IP

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justinh:

and wheee mysql -u mythtv -pmythtv mythconverg <mythconverg310109.sql

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jfry:

Any chance someone here could tell me how to set up a job that would output an MP3 of a show's audio only? I want to start recording Bob and Tom to listen on my MP3 Player

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iamlindoro:

gumpert345, yes, it's a new theme, and that capture is to show some experimental stuff, this is the MythVideo interface: http://www.fecitfacta.com/myth-theme-screencap.ogg

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justinh:

jfry: ffmeg -i $inputfile -acodec mp3 -b128 $output.mp3

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justinh:

jfry: assuming your copy of ffmpeg hasn't been crippled. muhahahaha

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jfry:

justinh:

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jfry:

justinh: I don't believe it has... so just that exact line in the job definition and I'm good to go?

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justinh:

jfry: oh a JOB. see my 'exportdvbradio' script in /contrib

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justinh:

again it's only any use if your ffmpeg isn't crippled

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justinh:

jfry: or there's this: http://www.google.co.uk/url?q=http://www.ian- . . . i0hu1Ieb7Rmg

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justinh:

and I got the name of my own script wrong. it's dvbradioexport.pl

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gumpert345:

iamlindoro love it! perfect for waf

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iamlindoro:

gumpert345, hang on, just captured a new version, the old was woefully out of date

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jfry:

justinh: thanks... any documentation on the use of your exportdvbradio script?

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justinh:

it's all in there

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iamlindoro:

gumpert345, http://www.fecitfacta.com/myth-theme-screencap2.ogg

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justinh:

there being the wiki page I wrote about it

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iamlindoro:

gumpert345, The flickers are all from the capture program, it's all super-smooth in the interface

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justinh:

erm.. hrm

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justinh:

ah yes. here it is: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Ipod_export

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justinh:

errr nope

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justinh:

anyway you'll get the idea how to set the job up

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justinh:

whatever you do don't follow the wiki page about setting up user jobs

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justinh:

frickin manual database mangling indeed. they should be SHOT

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jfry:

justinh: thanks... looking it over, how do you handle the disappearance of the recording from mythtv

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justinh:

it doesn't do anything to the recording

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clever:

10: 275 XT-PIC-XT uhci_hcd:usb2, sata_via

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clever:

11: 291809 XT-PIC-XT uhci_hcd:usb1, uhci_hcd:usb3, ehci_hcd:usb4, eth0, ivtv0

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jfry:

Ahh... so just expire it as usual then... makes sense.

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clever:

Dagmar: looks like my sata card will be more happy...

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iamlindoro:

so cometh the pastefest

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justinh:

god I wish I'd never started this

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justinh:

I need coffee

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clever:

i moved the sata card and the irq for the ivtv changed

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gumpert345:

iamlindoro is it easy to setup all the images and descriptions for the movies? where are the informations stored? how stable is this theme, can I try it? (kubuntu 8.10 nvidia 180.25 kde 4.2 64bit)

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justinh:

what?! I've not even installed mythbackend? wtf

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cezium:

When i try to run mplayer (using coreavc) i get no picture running it from mythtv but there is no problem using the same command from a console. Why doesn't it work?

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iamlindoro:

gumpert345, Automating the images is a work in progress, but they can be done fairly easily with the MythVideo file browser. The information is all stored in the Database. The theme is very stable (I'm using it full time to force myself to finish it. No, you can't try it yet :)

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Dagmar:

clever: So it's a safe bet those two ports were wired to the same IRQ. Hopefully that will kill your problem

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clever:

Dagmar: the odd thing is that the ivtv is on a new irq, but i didnt move it

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clever:

xfs_check found no problems :)

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Dagmar:

Yeah the BIOS or the OS are building the IRQ map, but they are still only addressable as one of four possible IRQs

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Dagmar:

If they're hard-wired to be the same IRQ there's nothing to be done about it but move cards around

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gumpert345:

iamlindoro if it is a problem regarding qt: Im already using trunk right now

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iamlindoro:

gumpert345, It's a matter of nobody but I has a copy right now, and it's going to stay that way until I have at least 4–5 patches committed

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Dagmar:

clever: It could have been worse

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Dagmar:

A friend of mine is currently trying to sort out what's going on with his 24Tb array.

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clever:

lol

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Dagmar:

He's getting errors coming up from the filesystem driver and data corruption.

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Dagmar:

Heavy load is making it choke.

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clever:

i'll try moving more data and see if it chokes again

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Dagmar:

Run three or four rsyncs as a filecopy from different places at once

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iamlindoro:

gumpert345, Plus, even if you had a copy, it wouldn't do for you like it does in the screencapture, All the fanart/cover art/etc. support is local work

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clever:

it was dying with 1 cp, 1 hash check, 1 winscp copy, and mythbackend capturing

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iamlindoro:

It would just be one static image for anyone but me :)

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clever:

Dagmar: seems alot better now

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justinh:

gonna be a looooong night. make

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gumpert345:

how is that? do you mean I would have to add descriptions and pictures myself, or I would need more programs to get it working?

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iamlindoro:

gumpert345, I mean there are 5–6 patches I have written that enable that functionality (screenshots, fanart, banners) which are not in trunk, along with some supporting scripts and functionality to pull in the images, then you would need a theme that supported them, and finally you would have to make any un-automated assignments manually-- not to mention a fair hunk to pull in images for scheduled recordings that has progress

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iamlindoro:

ed as far as me saying "hey, I/someone ought to write that"

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iamlindoro:

so yeah, those parts which aren't theoretical require a bit of work, as well as unapplied/unavailable so far patches

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iamlindoro:

also, I probably won't make it public until the day .22 is out for fear of backporters

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iamlindoro:

Don't get me wrong, I'm psyched about the work, but it's not nearly to the point where anyone should use it besides me (while hacking on it) yet

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gumpert345:

oh, about 2 to 4 months. But I am very happy to see the progress that has been made

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gumpert345:

great work

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iamlindoro:

yeah, I would say it's fair to assume I will have it done in time for .22

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iamlindoro:

thanks

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Lurch:

I've got a Mythweb question, am I in the right place?

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iamlindoro:

and that with any luck I can annoy those with commit access sufficiently to get it in :)

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Lurch:

I was wondering if anyone else has this "problem": I delete recordings from MythWeb, but they aren't deleted off the HD, running Mythbuntu 8.10, Myth .21

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Lurch:

is there a script/cron job/program I can trigger to clean up my recordings folder?

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xris:

Lurch: how long do you wait for the files to go away?

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xris:

if you have "slow delete" turned on, and large recordings, it can take several minutes.

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Lurch:

xris: its been days.

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Lurch:

and I do have slow delete on, but it just seems like it isn't deleting at all

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xris:

and the files still register as deleted in mythweb and mythfrontend? have you checked the backend logs for errors?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Isn't there a 'set autoexpire instead of delete' option somewhere?

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Lurch:

xris: it must just be slow, even with slow delete on, because now it seems to work, and I'm gaining space back

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Lurch:

I guess I've never just checked it right afterward, it must have deleted, and then I recorded more stuff, which made up for the space

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Lurch:

I was just curious if delete jobs go into a queue before executing

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clever:

i think those are the items in the recorded table with delete=1

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clever:

most of myth seems to hide those but when i look right at the db with some of my stuff, they show even after 'deleting'

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Lurch:

clever: I see. well thanks for the help anyway, now I know where to go when I'm having issues

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wagnerrp:

seems my HDHR issues were just due to bad coax

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xris:

and slow delete can take awhile, even on a fast machine. I've seen some 7G high def recordings take 15 minutes or more to go away for good

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wagnerrp:

i start pulling the cables out of the back, and one of the coax lines pulls right out of the connector

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clever:

xris: and xfs is the fast one to go with?

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wagnerrp:

100% signal on both tuners now

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wagnerrp:

clever: more that ext2/3 is the slow one to go with

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clever:

wagnerrp: my 1tb drive is using xfs now:)

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wagnerrp:

never owned a drive that large.... although i think ill have to add another spare 300GB to myth, and another 750GB to the array in the next few weeks

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clever:

my 2nd bigest drive is now a 320g

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wagnerrp:

there was some deal a couple days ago at microcenter, a GB Hitachi for $100

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clever:

i think this one was ~130

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sloof3:

With the HD Homerun, mythTV can change the channel on the HDHM over ethernet right? Can the HDHM tune OTA and QAM TV signals at the same time?

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wagnerrp:

ive actually got one sitting on my desk currently, filling it up with transcodings for a friend

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wagnerrp:

Sneakernet >> Internet

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wagnerrp:

sloof3: the HDHR has two inputs, one for each tuner

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wagnerrp:

if you want, you can put one tuner on cable, and the other on an antenna

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wagnerrp:

but there is no internal switching matrix

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wagnerrp:

no way for a tuner to switch between one of multiple sources

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sloof3:

wagnerrp: ok, but what I want the HDHM to do is receive, tune, and push the two streams to the network at the same time

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wagnerrp:

not a problem

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sloof3:

So it's not two seperate tuners...

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wagnerrp:

it is two completely independent tuners

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sloof3:

ok good

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wagnerrp:

each with their own coax jack on the back of the box

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wagnerrp:

its not like TVs that have one input for cable and one input for air, that it can switch between

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sloof3:

Right the only question I had was could it also push two streams to the network at the same time as well. Which it can so good

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sloof3:

I fully expected it to be able to only ush one at a time

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wagnerrp:

if it couldnt do that, then there wouldnt be much purpose to having two tuners

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wagnerrp:

a cheap hybrid would suffice

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sloof3:

Well I thought one was QAM while the other was QPSK

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KungFuJesus:

so wait, a slave backend is not supposed to have their own independent mysql server?

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wagnerrp:

absolutely not!

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iamlindoro:

nope

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KungFuJesus:

that explains a lot

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wagnerrp:

there is one single database for all of a myth setup

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KungFuJesus:

mythbackend still understands it's connecting as a slave backend though...

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KungFuJesus:

alright, makes sense

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KungFuJesus:

so stop the sql database and just configure it from there

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KungFuJesus:

it's just like a slave frontend it seems

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wagnerrp:

you have one IP listed as a master

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clever:

the mythbackend could be connecting to the 1st database and ignoring the useless one

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wagnerrp:

any other backend that starts up automatically goes into slave mode and connects to the master

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wagnerrp:

all frontends also connect to the one master

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KungFuJesus:

so if I want a tuner on this slave backend, and I set it up, give myself a unique identifier in the mythconverg database on the master backend

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KungFuJesus:

it stores all those settings

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wagnerrp:

then you install mythtv, give it the proper mysql credentials, add the tuner by running mythtv-setup on that machine, and then run mythbackend

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sloof3:

Any have suggestions on if I should go with am HSHM over seperate tuners in a PC. I had planned to build out a backend server with a RAID array and room for 4 tuners but now that I've come across the HDHR I'm not sure.

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wagnerrp:

HSHM?

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sloof3:

HDHM*

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justinh:

typo

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justinh:

typo again

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** sloof3 face meet palm **

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wagnerrp:

there are two flaws of the HDHR

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wagnerrp:

one, current implementation of it does not support multirec

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wagnerrp:

however there were some patches i saw for 0.21-fixes last week that fixed that

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wagnerrp:

the other is the price, $180 for two tuners

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justinh:

two, there doesn't need to be another with the 1st flaw

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wagnerrp:

when you can usually pick up internal tuners for ~$50

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: eh? It can be found much cheaper online...

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justinh:

myers but what price pci slots hmm?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i picked up mine for $120

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justinh:

grrr why can't I get nxserver to work on this machine/

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justinh:

I might have to mount the old / and go looking

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: I feel your pain, I have fought with NX frome time to time... Best Remote control software though... ;-)

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justinh:

it works great on the old box

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justinh:

maybe I just need to exchange keys or something daft

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wagnerrp:

sloof3: now i would stick with the one large backend, but dont bother with raid

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wagnerrp:

independent drives with storage groups is going to result in far less load

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sloof3:

wagnerrp: less load?

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wagnerrp:

if you want long term storage, then transcode your material off onto an array

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KungFuJesus:

ok so I guess my next question is how do I make the slave backend (which is also a frontend) use its own tuner card?

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KungFuJesus:

I setup the card, it just uses the masterbackend's by default

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wagnerrp:

KungFuJesus: you dont, every frontend uses the first free tuner on the list

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J-e-f-f-A:

sloof3: And I lost 2.5TB of data to my software raid5 when 2 drives failed (hard) on the same reboot. They were working perfectly fine when I shutdown the system...

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justinh:

and erm.. ruh? I rsynced my media & tv dirs to two new HDDs and they now take up more space than they did on the old drive. heh

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justinh:

must be orphaned files

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wagnerrp:

sloof3: when you use raid, every drive has to be part of every storage transaction

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justinh:

raid for TV. pfft

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wagnerrp:

when you use storage groups, only one drive is used for one recording

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justinh:

it's only TV

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KungFuJesus:

interesting

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KungFuJesus:

is there a preference?

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wagnerrp:

and considering you may be dumping multiple streams simultaneously, it tends to help keep things from fragmenting

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KungFuJesus:

a way to say, on this backend, do this first

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justinh:

KungFuJesus: nope

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wagnerrp:

youre just expected to have the network throughput that it doesnt become an issue

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KungFuJesus:

I suppose I can schedule a recording and find out, though

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justinh:

your slave backend's tuner is just another tuner now

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wagnerrp:

and considering the most you will stream on a single recording is 2–3MB/s, it doesnt take much capacity to satisfy mythtv

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gumpert345:

wagnerrp does the rate change for hdtv?

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KungFuJesus:

signal is so bad it won't even create a file

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KungFuJesus:

I gotta go guys, thanks

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KungFuJesus:

later

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wagnerrp:

gumpert345: ATSC will peak at 19Mbps, but a single recording will probably average no more than 16Mbps

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wagnerrp:

QAM will do double that, but again, a single recording will not average much more than 16Mbps

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wagnerrp:

DVB is different, ive seen some DVB caps averaging 25Mbps

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wagnerrp:

i have no real experience with it though

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gumpert345:

would be dvb-s2 for me

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wagnerrp:

AFAIK, the dvb-s2 patches are only available on trunk

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gumpert345:

im already using trunk, but Im planning a new setup and dont want to create bottlenecks

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gumpert345:

mbps = Mbit/s ?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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justinh:

whut? now ubuntu is saying I can't share directories

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justinh:

I'm in the sambashares group damnit

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wagnerrp:

DENIED!

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justinh:

ah. had to log in again

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justinh:

what? shared a couple of dirs, but it's not written anything in /etc/exports or in /etc/samba.smb.cnf – wth?!

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directhex:

magicks!

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justinh:

mmnnng. printer is shared, prints ok but reports access denied, unable to connect in the status bar

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justinh:

fixed that one

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sloof3:

Where can I actually buy a Technisat AirStar HD-5000?

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sloof3:

Seems like whenever I try to find the capture cards that work well with mythtv they can't be found save for the pcHDTV

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J-e-f-f-A:

sloof3: I bought a Hauppage 1230 (PCIe) last year, and had it in my system for a while – it worked fine.

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wagnerrp:

yeah, my 1250 hasnt given me any issues

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J-e-f-f-A:

sloof3: that's not the right model#... one sec, googling... ^^^ oh, that's probably it!

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wagnerrp:

but as with all framegrabbers, dont bother using the analog

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J-e-f-f-A:

sloof3: Yeah, HVR-1250 – PCIe 1x

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** J-e-f-f-A has _never_ used the analog side of his $240 HD-3000, his $150 HD-5500, or his $50 HVR-1250 ... ;-) **

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wagnerrp:

wow, $240?

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** tanderson is still waiting for his HVR-2250 to be supported **

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Yeah, I was one of the guys who hopped on the "broadcast flag" bus...

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ha.. hauppauge specs for the 1250 say "Plugs into: PCI Express X1 or X16 slot" — Gee, what about X4 or X8 slots? Oh NO!!!!

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quadtree:

My system dies horribly anytime I try to watch video from my HVR-1250. Sometimes even when I was just scanning for channels.

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J-e-f-f-A:

quadtree: Really? Strange, I had no problems with it here on FC8, with an Athlon 64 x2 4800+ and 2GB ram...

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J-e-f-f-A:

quadtree: on 0.21-fixes

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quadtree:

J-e-f-f-a, I really think there's something wrong with the hardware, because it dies doing the simpliest things...kinda lost interest in it after I got firewire from my STB working.

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sloof3:

quadtree: what STB?

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quadtree:

sloof3, explorer 4250 HDC

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sloof3:

Mine is locked out by comcast

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sloof3:

It's a motorola though

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quadtree:

sloof3, I have comcast and was shocked to find all the channels I pay for were available via firewire. Only expected the bcast channels.

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sloof3:

Hmm

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sloof3:

How do you do channel changing?

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quadtree:

The only trick was I had to unplug the hdmi connector to my tv. With the hdmi plugged in I could change channels, but no video was sent.

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quadtree:

The channel changer in 0.21-fixes worked out of the box.

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sloof3:

Is it over firewire or IR blasted?

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Dagmar:

quadtree: Which region are you in?

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quadtree:

sloof3, firewire

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quadtree:

Dagmar, northern virginia

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Dagmar:

Odd

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clever:

Dagmar: 38gig moved and not a single error in dmesg

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Dagmar:

clever: Sweet

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clever:

enless you consider apparmor whining about a new storage dir

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LanUser:

Hello – How can I get MythMusic to always include the year when I import a CD?

[02:24:09]

clever:

Dagmar: one of the weird things with this mobo, it has both desktop and laptop ram slots

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clever:

the laptop style slots are for the onboard video expansion

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clever:

and the onboard sound is isa based i beleive

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sloof3:

Has someone put together an HD frontend in a SFF setup?

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justinh:

mythtv worky. mythweb.. worky

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justinh:

now to make the frontend worky

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J-e-f-f-A:

sloof3: I have 2 running right now... Both are running half-height NVidia PCIe cards.

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sloof3:

J-e-f-f-A: Can you PM the hardware you used?

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clever:

Dagmar: also found the entire irq layout for the mobo, little late

[02:35:22]

clever:

http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/ban_gx1/irq.htm

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J-e-f-f-A:

sloof3: I don't have an exact list atm... Both are in "Supercase DM-387" cases, with mATX mb's. One is a C2D 2200 cpu, the other an Athlon 64x2 4200 (iirc)

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J-e-f-f-A:

sloof3: Looks like newegg has it under the "Apex" brand name for $44.99 – http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811154087 – I got mine at Micro Center for the same price...

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sloof3:

I was mainly interested in the mobo you used and the video card

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J-e-f-f-A:

sloof3: Ok, I'll check when i get a chance... ;-)

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sloof3:

If only Motorola would sell their IPTV set-top boxes to consumers. It would be a great platform to slap linux on

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sloof3:

Actually they already run Linux but it's not suitable out of the box for Myth

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LanUser:

How can I make MythMusic include the year when I import a CD? Or is is just not available from the freedb type lookup it's doing?

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justinh:

well well well my frontend boots from the network

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justinh:

expect the permissions on $home are all wrong, and I can't sudo chown em back

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justinh:

*except

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jams:

huh looks like someone broke -USR1 again.

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justinh:

must remember to preserve owners etc next time I rsync

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justinh:

ugh either I wait 2 hours for another rsync to finish, and see it fail again because /usr is the wrong UID.. or I just dig into the UID stuff

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DarkDrgn2k:

hey guys

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DarkDrgn2k:

why does a 1tb drive formated in NTFS have more free space then one formated in EXT3

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tomdavidson:

thats ood, my hd experinace is opposite

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tomdavidson:

cluster size of your ntfs and the type of data on there?

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DarkDrgn2k:

blank

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DarkDrgn2k:

my friend formated his drive with ntfs

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DarkDrgn2k:

and had 931gb free

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DarkDrgn2k:

with mine

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clever:

932gig for my xfs formated drive

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DarkDrgn2k:

DF shows "SIZE" 917 GB free 872

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DarkDrgn2k:

and i put nothign on it

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DarkDrgn2k:

see:

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clever:

932G 47G 885G 6% /media/videos/1tb

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DarkDrgn2k:

/dev/sdc1 917G 515G 357G 60%

[03:08:14]

clever:

2 things

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DarkDrgn2k:

do the math... 515+357=872

[03:08:26]

clever:

the drive is 1000gig, not 1024gig

[03:08:36]

clever:

so you instantly loose a chunk of space there

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DarkDrgn2k:

yeh.. but thats in any fs

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clever:

the other, is the metadata

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DarkDrgn2k:

yeh the file system

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Loto:

filesystems have various overhead to. Does EXT still reserve 5% of the drive for root only?

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Loto:

i believe it does

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clever:

Loto: that too

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DarkDrgn2k:

?

[03:09:33]

clever:

5% of the free space is hidden

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Loto:

root user can use it only

[03:09:44]

clever:

so when you hit 0 bytes free, root can still write another 5% to the drive

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clever:

Loto: you can change the uid that has the special access

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BenB:

DarkDrgn2k: that's odd. for me, Used + Avail add up to Size, modulo 1 Unit for rounding.

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DarkDrgn2k:

not mine..

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Loto:

it also helps prevent fragmentation (ext3 doesnt fragment till filling the disk to the brim)

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clever:

Loto: yep that too

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Loto:

no idea clever

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Loto:

by why would you want to?

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clever:

DarkDrgn2k: using -h causes it to round down some, so it might be 25.4 and 26.4

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clever:

Loto: so mythtv can write to that last 5% but your friend cant do so with his username

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DarkDrgn2k:

so on a 1 tb drive i have 50 gigs set asside as root?

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clever:

mythtv normaly shits itself when the drive is full, but if you can keep writing to it with 0 bytes free, it may work better

[03:11:56]

clever:

DarkDrgn2k: dumpe2fs /dev/something

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BenB:

DarkDrgn2k: possible. FWIW, I use XFS, which is good at big files.

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Loto:

clever : best to remove the limitation completely then make another user have 'special' abilities but not root

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clever:

Reserved block count: 687782

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clever:

Block size: 4096

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Loto:

or format in some other fs

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clever:

2,817,155,072 bytes are Reserved block count: 687782

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clever:

oops

[03:13:11]

clever:

2,817,155,072 bytes are Reserved on my / drive

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tomdavidson:

it isnt the fs that reserse for / .. .iksnt it the OS? i has having a hell of a time keeping my windows xp virtual disk small buecuase of the index data base would instantly use %25

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BenB:

tomdavidson: no, it's the FS, IIRC

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BenB:

XFS: 298G 290G 8,5G 98% /mnt/import/mythtv2

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DarkDrgn2k:

12209500

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DarkDrgn2k:

on mine

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tomdavidson:

BenB: even if no root partition on the partiion?

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clever:

DarkDrgn2k: and your block size is also 4k?

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DarkDrgn2k:

yes

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Loto:

yup

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BenB:

XFS has the same problem, though: it's the less happy the more you go to 100%, due to the use of btrees etc.

[03:14:49]

clever:

DarkDrgn2k: so yes, you have 50gig reserved!

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clever:

ouch

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Loto:

jfs ftw ;)

[03:15:04]

clever:

tune2fs can be used to alter that easily

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DarkDrgn2k:

clever: lol a little exessive...

[03:15:12]

clever:

read the man page

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DarkDrgn2k:

whats slightly?

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clever:

i would umount it to be safe

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DarkDrgn2k:

-r reserved-blocks-count

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DarkDrgn2k:

Set the number of reserved filesystem blocks.

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DarkDrgn2k:

wont erase my drive will it?

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clever:

nope, but i would umount it to be safe

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clever:

i generaly leave it alone until i actualy get low on space

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clever:

800gig is plenty of free space, dont realy need another 50gig right now

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Loto:

mkfs.jfs /dev/sda1

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DarkDrgn2k:

wow

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DarkDrgn2k:

i can set it to 0!

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DarkDrgn2k:

917G 515G 403G

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clever:

yes you can, but then fragmentation can get worse if you fill it all the way

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Loto:

again ext fragments to hell if you fill it

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clever:

Loto: my 500gig ext3 has been at 100% full for months

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DarkDrgn2k:

what should i set it to?

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clever:

1% would be 10gig

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Loto:

clever : yeah, but if you cleared misc files a few gigs at a time and refilled it, you'd find it would be horrid

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Loto:

*would get

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DarkDrgn2k:

clever: it askes for blcoks no $

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DarkDrgn2k:

%

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Loto:

sitting full? meh

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clever:

2,441,900 blocks reserved

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clever:

it has another option that will accept %

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DarkDrgn2k:

o

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DarkDrgn2k:

cool

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clever:

Loto: i was constantly deleting things so i could record more

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DarkDrgn2k:

what happens if you fill a drive..

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DarkDrgn2k:

then remove some stuff

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DarkDrgn2k:

fragmentation go away?

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clever:

DarkDrgn2k: you wind up creating 'holes' everywhere in random places

[03:19:46]

clever:

which is what causes fragmentation

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DarkDrgn2k:

clever:thats what i thought..

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DarkDrgn2k:

clever: and theres no "Defrag" option

[03:20:04]

clever:

keeping 50gig free means you have a greater chance of having giant holes

[03:20:13]

clever:

bigger holes means less fragmentation

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DarkDrgn2k:

wired.. he has 931 i have 917

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clever:

i wrote together a 1 line bash script to tell me exactly how fragmented every file is

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clever:

alias ffcmd='find -mount -type f -amin +60 -print0|xargs -0 sudo ionice -c3 filefrag |grep per|sort -nk2 -t:|tail'

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clever:

then i just run 'ffcmd' in any directory and get a listing of the 10 worst files

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DarkDrgn2k:

clever: so you move those files off..

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DarkDrgn2k:

clever: then back and they wont be framgeted any more

[03:21:52]

clever:

move(to another drive) or copy(within the drive)

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clever:

and you have a chance of it becoming better(you can retest the copy with filefrag again)

[03:22:22]

DarkDrgn2k:

lol

[03:22:22]

DarkDrgn2k:

execvp: No such file or directory

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clever:

you could remove the sudo and ionice calls to simplify it

[03:22:56]

clever:

i wrote it to run from the limited mythtv user

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DarkDrgn2k:

hmm

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clever:

and ionice just makes it low prio io so you dont slow the system as much

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DarkDrgn2k:

nice..

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tomdavidson:

i need to add an analog vid caputure to my mythtv box. i have been looking at the wiki and forums and see lots of recomendations for discontinued products. can anyone help me with a selection? I have an older dual piv computer. im thinking the usb models add more cpu overhead than the pci cards? i have pci-x.... i would like a dual ntsc card... anything with solid support, but cost less than Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-1600 (one ntsc on

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DarkDrgn2k:

why not nice?

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clever:

nice only makes it nice on the cpu

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DarkDrgn2k:

on

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clever:

it will still be able to hog all the io bandwidth

[03:24:16]

DarkDrgn2k:

huh.. learn somethign enw every day

[03:24:19]

DarkDrgn2k:

didnt know you could do that

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DarkDrgn2k:

whats the command

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clever:

ionice -c3 some command

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J-e-f-f-A:

Well, that's new... 7.2 is no longer a weather channel, it's a 2nd NBC HD channel... Interesting...

[03:24:41]

clever:

class 3 i beleive is idle, its all in the man page

[03:25:02]

DarkDrgn2k:

clever:can you use that with any command?

[03:25:08]

clever:

DarkDrgn2k: i think so

[03:25:15]

clever:

but you need root to use ionice

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DarkDrgn2k:

clever: whast the command

[03:25:22]

DarkDrgn2k:

ionice?

[03:25:25]

clever:

yes

[03:26:33]

DarkDrgn2k:

ugh where do i find happauge firmwareds again

[03:26:34]

DarkDrgn2k:

(v4l-cx23418-cpu.fw)

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clever:

dont see that anywhere on my system and ive got a pvr-150

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DarkDrgn2k:

sorry

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DarkDrgn2k:

hvr

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DarkDrgn2k:

pvr is v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw

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DarkDrgn2k:

lol

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DarkDrgn2k:

ugh any one know wher ei can get teh hvr1600 firmware?

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DarkDrgn2k:

yay found it in the myuth tv page for the hvr

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LanUser:

Can MythMusic include the year when importing a CD?

[03:36:36]

LanUser:

Can MythMusic include the year when importing a CD?

[03:36:44]

LanUser:

oops sorry

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DarkDrgn2k:

probably not cause i dont think the CD has a year on it..

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clever:

DarkDrgn2k: my ffcmd has been running for 10–20mins now

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LanUser:

I can always glance at the CD jacket when I insert it, it would just be nice to skip a step if it was available from the FreeDB

[03:37:53]

clever:

so ive gone to one of my sql db's that stored some of the old info

[03:38:01]

clever:

13k fragments on a single 500mb recording...

[03:38:28]

DarkDrgn2k:

to bad theres no defrag for linux

[03:39:01]

clever:

cp 1045_20090114235800.nuv temp;mv temp 1045_20090114235800.nuv

[03:39:07]

clever:

refraged!

[03:39:12]

clever:

(posibly worse, posibly better)

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DarkDrgn2k:

lmao

[03:39:48]

clever:

moving to a freshly formated 1tb drive would give a 99% chance of <10 fragments

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clever:

its also better to test it with 'filefrag temp' to verify it was better before you commit to keeping it

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clever:

but testing that and doing a comparison would take more then 1 line of bash code

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justinh:

oh kayyyy. that's the frontend all fixed up

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justinh:

and it's not even 4am yet

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justinh:

now to secure mythweb so I can open port 80 again

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mheath|work:

I've been playing with an tweaking various optomization settings for a while now, and I've gotten the video quality and the OSD quality pretty good. I'm still running into some problems, though, in that anything that loads the OSD causes the video to stutter baddly – changing volume, changing the channel. It's an AMD64 processor, Nvidia graphics card, and Hauppage 150 card. Could anyone point me to some tips or m

[03:47:47]

mheath|work:

I know the hardware is more than capable of it, as the system previosuly ran Vista Media Center which handles OSD transparency and such beautifully.

[03:50:25]

J-e-f-f-A:

mheath|work: did you install the Nvidia binary driver?

[03:50:51]

mheath|work:

j-e-f-f-a: I sure did.

[03:51:19]

mheath|work:

I'm using xvmc-opengl and the opengl OSD renderer if that matters.

[03:51:34]

J-e-f-f-A:

mheath|work: Because I have an Socket 754 Athlon 64 3200+ playing 1080i perfectly on a Nvidia GeForce 6200LE card.

[03:52:42]

J-e-f-f-A:

mheath|work: I'm not using XVMC at all. (and it doesn't work for HD anyways)

[03:52:58]

mheath|work:

j-e-f-f-a: Thats similar to my setup at the moment. 6800, Athlon 64 X2 system...

[03:53:48]

mheath|work:

j-e-f-f-a: I played with all the premade video playback profiles, and none of those work well..I ended up with really choppy video, so I created my own, and had the best results with this, minus the OSD jitters.

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mag0o:

osd jitters get me on my 5200 w/ xvmc and any of the playback profiles when resolution is greater than NTSC

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mheath|work:

I'll have to play with teh resolution. My end setup won't require higher than NTSC.

[04:03:19]

mheath|work:

I'm going to be outputing via the TV-Out on the video card to a TV; at the moment I'm testing on my monitor.

[04:03:37]

DarkDrgn2k:

is there any way to "upmix" all sterio audio to work with sorround sound?

[04:04:36]

RyeBrye:

DarkDrgn2k: yes, it's called Dolby Pro Logic and a ton of stereo receivers do it for you

[04:05:03]

RyeBrye:

they even give you different choices like "Cinema A, B, or C" or "Theater" or "Stadium" or "Lounge" for the different settings

[04:05:23]

RyeBrye:

but maybe there is a way to do it in software

[04:05:45]

mag0o:

i have a link on delicious or somewhere that references

[04:05:50]

mag0o:

or mike t dean would know

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mheath|work:

Stupid question – how do you "force" the resolution to be limited to a particular level, if its running fullscreen? Or does it just autoset to the size of the screen its on? (for mythfrontend)

[04:07:37]

RyeBrye:

you can do it in settings, or I think there is a way to pass an arg in the command line when you start it too

[04:08:10]

mheath|work:

RyeBrye: Well, I know theres a command line arg, but does that reduce the overall internal video quality, or just scale the end result appropriately?

[04:08:29]

mheath|work:

the internal video quality/resolution

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RyeBrye:

I'm pretty sure it scales it

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LanUser:

Am I being stupid to use "Perfect" when importing using CD's and FLAC?

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DarkDrgn2k:

RyeBrye: any way to do it with alsa?

[04:09:11]

RyeBrye:

there are two options when the source size don't match the screen size: option 1 -> crop (or show just a small region if the screen is bigger than the source)

[04:09:19]

RyeBrye:

and option 2: is scale it

[04:09:22]

RyeBrye:

I'm pretty sure myth scales it

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mag0o:

DarkDrgn2k: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/ALSA_upmixing

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mheath|work:

Well, I guess my question then is this: the video source is obviously just NTSC quality (comes from a standard analog Cable source). This is obviously being transformed to a hgiher quality format, because on my monitor, a much higher resolution/quality OSD is being placed ontop of the lower quality video.

[04:11:41]

wagnerrp:

LanUser: unless you have several $K in audio equipment, a quiet room, and a good ear, youre probably not going to notice the difference from a high bitrate mp3

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mheath|work:

Is there a way to just force the TV video (and thus to OSD) to just be left at the native video resolution?

[04:11:53]

wagnerrp:

but if youve got the hard drive space for it, why not use FLAC?

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mheath|work:

(the hope is to reduce the computation requirements, so the OSD performance is better)

[04:12:18]

RyeBrye:

mheath|work: you can do that by tv settings

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RyeBrye:

change the osd settings

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mag0o:

separate video modes for playback and gui? would that do what you want mheath|work

[04:12:57]

RyeBrye:

no

[04:13:19]

RyeBrye:

he's talking about OSD performance being bad

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LanUser:

wagnerrp: I actually do have sever $K in audio equipment and a titanium stapes in one of my ears so now I'm completely confused

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DarkDrgn2k:

mag0o: thank you kinbdly

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mag0o:

:)

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tomdavidson:

anyone help on capture card selection?

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RyeBrye:

tomdavidson: what source?

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wagnerrp:

LanUser: the average user with their average equipment isnt going to be able to tell the difference between FLAC and say... 192kbps mp3

[04:15:23]

wagnerrp:

but if youve got a couple hundred MB to spare for every CD, its not like theres any hard in storing in FLAC

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wagnerrp:

s/hard/harm/

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wagnerrp:

with disk space as cheap as it is anymore, theres no real reason not to archive to FLAC

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RyeBrye:

mheath|work: if you have a higher res OSD than dispaly video – it sounds like you are using the openGL renderer – since IIRC that's the only way to get the OSD nicer than the video res (in 0.21-fixes)

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tomdavidson:

RyeBrye: analog ntsc. i have a pci-x bus (compatible with most pci). seems like most of the wiki and forums are old info, with descontinued product recomendations

[04:17:22]

RyeBrye:

tomdavidson: whatever replaced the PVR-500 would be a suitable choice

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RyeBrye:

anything that V4L supports, really, is an ok choice

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wagnerrp:

RyeBrye, tomdavidson: the HVR-2250 replaced the PVR-500, and is not yet supported by mythtv

[04:18:05]

wagnerrp:

rather it is not yet even supported under linux

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wagnerrp:

and chances are if you have a board with PCIX, it probably doesnt have PCIe

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LanUser:

wagnerrp: thanks man, yeah disk space is pretty cheap nowadays and with the ability to use flac with things like Rockbox I figured I might as well

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tomdavidson:

i was looking at the 1600's but they have mutltiple models and i dont neet the atsc tunner. yes. no pcie

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wagnerrp:

(the 2250 is PCIe only)

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wagnerrp:

your best bet is to just try to pick up a 150 or 500 off ebay

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tomdavidson:

ok. i was wondering if older/ebay would be the way to go.

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RyeBrye:

maybe I'll put my second PVR-500 up on ebay

[04:21:29]

wagnerrp:

whats this about the -fixes VDPAU guy claiming some cards dont handle the deinterlacers properly?

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RyeBrye:

I don't really NEED 6 tuners ;)

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tomdavidson:

ha ha 6? on one machine?

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wagnerrp:

RyeBrye: i thought that once, but im going to be using 5 simultaneously next week

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** xris has 6 now. too many **

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xris:

er, no.. 4.

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xris:

still too many, though

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RyeBrye:

2 on the master backend (PVR-500) – and 2 over the LAN (HDHR) and then 2 on a slave backend (PVR-500)

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mag0o:

i technically have 4

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xris:

2 x firewire, 2 on the HDHR

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** J-e-f-f-A has 5 tuners – 3 PCI (500 & 250), and 1 HDHR (2 HD tuners) **

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wagnerrp:

i could probably get by with 4 with the HDHR multirec patches

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mag0o:

1 satellite via s-video, 1 cable tv and 1 dvb that can record 2

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RyeBrye:

wagnerrp: are you using the HDHR multirec patches?

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tomdavidson:

:)... so on the pvr 150s, do they encode the audio in the video stream, or do i have mess around with a bunch of cables

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RyeBrye:

I'm doing ATSC, so there isn't much interesting on the same mux right now – but after Feb 17th some new stations will come online in digital that might change that

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wagnerrp:

nope, theyre only for -fixes, and there is a large volume of code in there to figure out what need to be copied over, and what needs to be modified

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RyeBrye:

ah. who writes patches against -fixes :/

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justinh:

gah. ffmpeg docs don't say exactly what all the D E stuff means

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Dagmar:

Someone that's looking to fix a bug in it, usually

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tomdavidson:

hey, thanks fo ryour help. im out of here for now.....

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Dagmar:

...since it's, you know, called -fixes and stuff.

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RyeBrye:

yeah, Dagmar – but HDHR Multirec is not exactly a bug fix

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wagnerrp:

i started going through patching it and nothing was matching, so i looked back at the ticket to notice it was for -fixes

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Dagmar:

Yeah that would be a feature--worth of getting out the rolled-up newspaper

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wagnerrp:

i was surprised to say the least

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Dagmar:

*smaksmaksmak*

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wagnerrp:

'what? same svn revision and that file doesnt even exist? whats going on here...?'

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Dagmar:

huh?

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Dagmar:

Now thta shouldn't be posisble

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Dagmar:

...and someday I'll start looking before I hit enter.

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wagnerrp:

it was a patch for -fixes, and i was trying to patch it into trunk

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Dagmar:

I was under the impression that SVN revisions were incremented upon *every* check-in, no matter what branch something was for

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wagnerrp:

it was for the old code base

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wagnerrp:

it was to patch against -fixes of that revision, and i was trying to use it for trunk of that revision

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Dagmar:

Damn. I forgot to pick up 3D glasses

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justinh:

damn you ubuntu with your crippled ffmpeg!

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DarkDrgn2k:

what is a light weight WM that would work well with myth?

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DarkDrgn2k:

ratpoison?

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Dagmar:

That's not a window manager

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Dagmar:

Two things you gotta keep in mind

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DarkDrgn2k:

ratpoison is not a windows manager?

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Dagmar:

1. If the *only* app running on the display is MythTV, then you *don't* need a window manager

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Dagmar:

2. Anything that can properly switch focus without screwing it up can do it, so Blackbox/Fluxbox will be your best bet

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DarkDrgn2k:

Dagmar: unless it launches mplayer.....

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LanUser:

xris: and gbee: great work on the new site you guys! My hat is off to you both.

[04:33:28]

Dagmar:

You shouldn't need MPlayer anymore.

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DarkDrgn2k:

Dagmar: yeh rather have an wm just in case

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Dagmar:

So install Blackbox or Fluxbox

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Dagmar:

They've got like a 150k overhead

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DarkDrgn2k:

k

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Dagmar:

D-i-n-k-y

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DarkDrgn2k:

how do i set the default wm again

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** DarkDrgn2k forgot all this stuff **

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Dagmar:

It depends on how you're logging in

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DarkDrgn2k:

Dagmar: thinking of just running startx

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Dagmar:

Are you using GDM/XDM/KDM or are you just logging in at a text console and spanking `startx`?

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DarkDrgn2k:

in rc.local :-P

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Dagmar:

DarkDrgn2k: That's pretty much what I'm doing

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DarkDrgn2k:

yeh.. thining of doing this..

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Dagmar:

If you do that then put the window manager and mythfrontend invocation into /root/.xinitrc

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DarkDrgn2k:

so how do i set the default wm

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Dagmar:

...or if you have the least bit of skill with `su`, into whatever uid's homedir you su to

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Dagmar:

There is also /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc that you can modify, but there's some xmodmap stuff usually going on in there that would mean your stuff could get nuked if you did a package upgrade

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DarkDrgn2k:

meh

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DarkDrgn2k:

.xinitrc what the setting again?

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Dagmar:

Most distros just put files like 'xinitrc.blackbox' and 'xinitrc.xfce' in there and make a symlink that points to them named 'xinitrc'

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Dagmar:

It's not a setting, it's an rc script.

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: only 150k of memory?

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DarkDrgn2k:

i see

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Dagmar:

You just put the commands to start something in it, and make sure that "something" doesn't ever *exit* because if it does, the script completes, X calls it a day, and shuts down

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Dagmar:

So like `blackbox &` in there would be bad.

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DarkDrgn2k:

yeh.. i get it

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DarkDrgn2k:

yeh yeh that much i know :)

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: it might have gotten larger since I last looked, but it's footprint is ludicrously tiny because it doesn't do much aside from provide some window decorations, mouse/key bindings, and some menus.

[04:39:00]

Dagmar:

"barren" is a good word for it

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DarkDrgn2k:

anyway to put a wallpaper in the back ground?

[04:39:16]

Dagmar:

Hmm... any command line utility that can paint the root window

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Dagmar:

Ther'es a bunch of them, including a few that come with X already

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DarkDrgn2k:

such as?

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Dagmar:

Trying to remember...

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wagnerrp:

actually, to be honest i cant tell if evilwm is using 1200 bytes or 1200K

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Dagmar:

I've used crufty old xv for it before. Googling to try to remember

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wagnerrp:

ive never really paid attention to anything that doesnt have an 'm' next to it in top

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: I don't think they could squeeze a wm into 1200 bytes unless they just coded it in assembly and all the exit conditions just did a printf("F you buddy");exit 1;

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wagnerrp:

yeah, plus there is nothing listed with a 'k'

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DarkDrgn2k:

hmmm

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wagnerrp:

which means i dont have a single process on my system under 400K of memory

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DarkDrgn2k:

dont have xv :-S

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Dagmar:

Do you have ImageMagick installed?

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Dagmar:

It's got a utililty called 'display` that'll do it

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Dagmar:

http://www.imagemagick.org/discourse-server/v . . . 1&t=5833

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DarkDrgn2k:

kool

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DarkDrgn2k:

now to find a nice background

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Dagmar:

xsetroot was the one I was thinking of

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wagnerrp:

smallest process on my firewall seems to be init at 460K, even the serial terminal is using over 1M

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Dagmar:

What about init?

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DarkDrgn2k:

thank you display worked great!

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Dagmar:

I think it's reporting in kilobytes by default

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wagnerrp:

yeah, init is pulling 464kb

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Dagmar:

DarkDrgn2k: There's actually 3–4 ways to draw on the root window on most machines but they're all so trivial it's hard to remember 'em

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clever:

command -root for some i think

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DarkDrgn2k:

Dagmar: yeh i know... its been a long time

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DarkDrgn2k:

Dagmar: display is -window root

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DarkDrgn2k:

how does nvidia-settinsg work

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Dagmar:

Ah, that's a bit easier.

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clever:

damnit

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Dagmar:

First you actually RUN it and set things

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clever:

gnome took so long to start that a timeout kicked in

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clever:

now im getting a failsafe terminal

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Dagmar:

Then after you've done that wedge `nvidia-settings -l` into your init sequence after the diplay is lit

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Dagmar:

Like, my .xinitrc calls `nvidia-settings -l` and then `mythfrontend`

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DarkDrgn2k:

i guess the question is where does it save?

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Dagmar:

The -l flag makes it not show you the dialog window, but just load the config it saved previously when you actually set something with it

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Dagmar:

~/.nvidia-somethingorother

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DarkDrgn2k:

aaa thanx

[04:51:50]

DarkDrgn2k:

.. i beenstaring at the dam nvidia logo forever

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Dagmar:

~/.nvidia-settings-rc

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Dagmar:

That's not where you disable the logo.

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DarkDrgn2k:

no i ment in the settings dialog box.

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clever:

logo is inside xorg.conf

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Dagmar:

Put Option "NoLogo" 1 in your xorg.conf (possibly 0) like it talks about in the readme

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DarkDrgn2k:

yeh thats no logo

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DarkDrgn2k:

i ment the dialgo box..

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DarkDrgn2k:

there a logo in there too

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clever:

nologo=1 or logo=0 i think

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Dagmar:

Why would you want to kill off the logo on the config widget?

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Dagmar:

Why would you even *care*?

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** Dagmar is baffled **

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DarkDrgn2k:

Dagmar: no i meant hide the dialog LOL

[04:53:18]

Dagmar:

Okay, so the question still stands

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Dagmar:

You can't adjust settings for a widget you can't see

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DarkDrgn2k:

or use -l

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Dagmar:

It shows NOTHING when you use -l to start it.

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DarkDrgn2k:

yes thast what i mean

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DarkDrgn2k:

i been starting it w/o the -l

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Dagmar:

It just loads the config stuff you set previously and stuffs the numbers into the right places for X and exits

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DarkDrgn2k:

so it shows the dialog and apply the settings lol

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Dagmar:

Hence -l is also --load-config-only

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DarkDrgn2k:

yes yeas

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Dagmar:

nvidia believes in getopts. You can --help or -h most of their stuff

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DarkDrgn2k:

lol guess im just lazy

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DarkDrgn2k:

.. igh whats that VNC server for :0

[04:55:23]

Dagmar:

I got sick of hitting enter at certain points in the driver install

[04:55:42]

Dagmar:

It'll take arguments as well that amount to "Just effing build and install the damn driver and don't bother me"

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DarkDrgn2k:

x11vnc

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DarkDrgn2k:

thast it

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clever:

that one sucks cpu

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Dagmar:

Someday you will learn the wonder that is --display or DISPLAY

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Dagmar:

...although it might mean making your XP box take Cygwin

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clever:

ive used cygwin a few times

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clever:

the problem is removing it afterwards

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Dagmar:

It's a bit painful, but better than native windows

[04:57:09]

Dagmar:

Nah rm will get rid of it

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Dagmar:

Oh, and don't bother using it on a large NT domain

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clever:

i cant rename/delete/move any of the 'special' folders

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clever:

from native windows

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Dagmar:

What "special" folders?

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clever:

all the +x files have some special flag that confuses windows

[04:58:11]

clever:

so they are imposible to delete

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Dagmar:

Man the last time I yanked it I just clicked on the c:\cygwin folder and hit shift-delete

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clever:

i wanted to save some of the stuff i had in /home and places so i just copyed the whole c:\ to a dir on a new drive

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Dagmar:

It's not on the greatest of terms with windows, but thye're not generally *that* hostile towards one-another

[04:59:03]

clever:

but it refused to do parts of cygwin

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Dagmar:

Sounds like maybe you had parts of it still running

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clever:

the whole /windows was also moved out

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clever:

i dont think i had any of it running:P

[05:00:18]

wagnerrp:

well trunk totally hosed one of my frontends

[05:00:32]

wagnerrp:

it hiccuped on playback, and now its hammering the CPU

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clever:

check that your not using the gl renderer

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wagnerrp:

i killed X, and mythfrontend is still running

[05:01:04]

clever:

my playback profiles said to try ivtv first

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wagnerrp:

even a -9 wont work

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clever:

and when ivtv fails, it falls back to gl rendering

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clever:

even though its configred to use xv next

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wagnerrp:

guess i should just hit the reset

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clever:

i generaly try to bring it to single user mode first

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clever:

and remount things ro

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clever:

then hard reset it or use sysrq

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clever:

close as much as posible safely

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wagnerrp:

well it was taking 20 seconds for input to respond

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wagnerrp:

'kill -KILL' was not working

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wagnerrp:

and since its a netboot machine with recent image snapshots, i dont care if anything breaks

[05:05:52]

clever:

got X to start on the 2nd try:)

[05:05:56]

clever:

ahh

[05:06:02]

clever:

yeah with netbooting you have alot less to loose

[05:06:28]

clever:

netbooting here too, and the server is under heavy load, so it took 5mins to boot and 15mins to load X

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wagnerrp:

no disk load, something was just horribly broken

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clever:

mysql was doing a sort on a large select

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clever:

4gig table

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clever:

the sorting is done now, so its purely cpu load from sqlite inserting in bulk

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clever:

and buffered mysql querys would want 3–4gig of ram

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clever:

32bit==tilt tilt tilt!

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clever:

so im using a non buffered query

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Dagmar:

This is why you have my.cnf. So you can tell it to not go megalomaniacal on you

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Dagmar:

Hah

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clever:

Dagmar: the problem is client side buffering

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clever:

mysql_query on php will cache the whole thing in client userspace

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Dagmar:

Can't really do much about badly-constructed queries

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clever:

its selecting 4million rows

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clever:

the best thing i can do is mysql_unbuffered_query and pray

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Dagmar:

So you actually need that many results back?

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clever:

yes

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clever:

im copying 2 months of data from mysql->sqlite

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Dagmar:

I mean, this is why you have the mysql server to begin with... so it can do the query and only tell you what you want to know right then

[05:22:33]

Dagmar:

Otherwise you might as well just go with flat files

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clever:

it generates 1–2gig of data a month

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clever:

and the game resets every 2 months

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clever:

when the game resets, i move the data to flat files(sqlite)

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wagnerrp:

what game are you running on your home system that generates that kind of data

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clever:

im not running the game here

[05:23:53]

clever:

im monitoring a game ran by somebody else

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clever:

the game exports a .txt of the current state of all players

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clever:

i store that to mysql every 10mins

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gizmobay:

Does Vdpa make that big of a difference?

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Dagmar:

If you like crashing, sure

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Dagmar:

Give a bit longer to stabilize

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Dagmar:

THEN it'll make the differnce between being able to play 1080 videos and *not* being able to play them

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Dagmar:

It'll be worth it, just not... quite... yet.

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J-e-f-f-A:

I haven't experienced any crashes with VDPAU yet... But I would not recommend running trunk on a 'production' system now – wait until 0.22 is released.

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Dagmar:

J-e-f-f-A: Is that still looking completely up in the air?

[05:32:10]

clever:

kusznir: do you have a kill-a-watt?

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gizmobay:

I can play 1080 now I think, would vdpa make it faster?

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kusznir:

clever: yes, I have a clone of one.

[05:32:35]

clever:

ahh:)

[05:32:43]

kusznir:

clever: I ran it for a while, and it looks like myth is accounting for about 1/3 of my power bill....

[05:32:47]

clever:

ouch

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Dagmar:

gizmobay: It can't exactly go *faster* or it'll start sounding funny

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J-e-f-f-A:

gizmobay: If you can play 1080 fine now, it won't make it faster. It will just make your cpu utilization drop from 80% to 10%...

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Dagmar:

What it does is take load off the CPU

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kusznir:

clever: (its nice to live in a place with heat provided and all lighting compact florescent....)

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gizmobay:

yeah, i guess faster was wrong choice of words

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clever:

my master backend is producing enough heat to keep my closet warm

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kusznir:

clever: I guess I was also thinking about replacing the rather large box with something smaller, quieter, and much more power efficient.

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clever:

which is costing 4.95$ a month

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sandeen:

is there any way to make the fade transitions in the mythfrontend menu faster (or absent?)

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gizmobay:

Does 0.22 work, I tried atrpms and compiling but didn't work

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clever:

including the external enclosure and STB

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Dagmar:

0.22 doesn't exist

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kusznir:

I definately feel the updraft of heat back behind my myth. If I recall correctly, mine is costing around $13/mo. And an electric rate hike is going into effect soon.

[05:34:47]

gizmobay:

trunk I should say

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clever:

kusznir: my single most expensive item is the upstairs fridge at 11$ a month

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sandeen:

my current mythbox runs at under 70W even when recording & playing HDTV

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clever:

my most expensive computer is the central server

[05:35:54]

clever:

7.28$ a month, ~120 watts

[05:35:57]

clever:

4 harddrives

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clever:

model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1500MHz

[05:36:07]

clever:

(horid cpu design)

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DarkDrgn2k:

how can you tell what the wattage is?

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J-e-f-f-A:

gizmobay: It works in general, but there's alot of changes going on, so you can't expect it to be 100%...

[05:36:21]

kusznir:

I've been trying to find where all my power is going...I've measured about all I can, and only accounted for about $15–20/mo of usage. My power bills have been $40/mo (800sqft apartment, heat provided, $0.06/kWh)

[05:36:33]

clever:

my kill-a-watt shows current/watt/kwh usage(and much more)

[05:36:42]

kusznir:

DarkDrgn2k: use a kill-a-watt or equivalent to measure the power consumed.

[05:37:03]

clever:

kusznir: ive totaled up 51$ worth of devices and i think thats only half the bill

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gizmobay:

I go to livetv then go to the EPG and then when I go back my video is gone

[05:37:27]

clever:

there it is, 65% of the power has been accounted for

[05:37:38]

sandeen:

DarkDrgn2k, yup the kill-a-watt is a cheap way to find out

[05:37:54]

kusznir:

We have an electric stove, but that doesn't seem to effect much. All our lighting is CF, and we're very good about turning off when not in use. I just down our computers (except myth) when not in use, etc.

[05:38:31]

kusznir:

And yet, still have a rather large descrepency. I want to try and test the accuracy of my kill-a-watt (fortunately, I work at a power engineering university...they should have some stuff :) )

[05:39:10]

kusznir:

Anyway, I haven't been able to find powertop in the apt repo or on my box. KnoppMyth R5F27

[05:39:38]

clever:

ive put 2 cellphone chargers and a cordless phone charger on a power strip

[05:39:44]

clever:

which is then going into a timer

[05:39:49]

clever:

and then the kill-a-watt

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clever:

they get 1 hour of juice a night, and its costing 4 cents a month

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kusznir:

:)

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clever:

allmost not even worth the bother it took to measure it for 187 hours

[05:42:03]

clever:

my cheapest computer is the c600 laptop

[05:42:07]

clever:

1.69$ a month

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clever:

all i need is a usb capture device and i can replace the 4.95$/month master backend

[05:42:56]

clever:

(not including hdd space usage)

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wagnerrp:

that reminds me, i need to pick up a USB extension so i can tap back into my UPS

[05:44:18]

kusznir:

Yea...a year or two ago, I looked at building a mini-ITX system to do my FE/BE myth work...Spec'ed out hardware the size of DVD players of the time, I just couldn't bring myself to spend ~$600 to replace what was otherwise working to save some power.

[05:45:02]

kusznir:

However, now that I see devices like eee box coming down in the $300 I'm much more interested. I now own a HDHomeRun, so if my content was all digital, I could use that as a tuner.

[05:45:12]

kusznir:

Add hard drive, and life is good....

[05:45:24]

clever:

my dvd player is also a 6 speaker stereo/amp and its pulling 1.40$/month

[05:45:36]

clever:

solid on i think

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clever:

so it would use less if i actualy tried to turn it off when not in use

[05:46:04]

clever:

though it may take more when playing a dvd because of all the spining bits

[05:46:12]

kusznir:

I found that my HP DeskJet printer actually used MORE power when turned off as opposed to powered on but idle.....

[05:46:27]

kusznir:

(It now spends its days unplugged, as I rarely use it, and don't even have ink for it at the moment)

[05:46:58]

clever:

the power button on my lexmark is bending off the board

[05:47:06]

clever:

so the plastic button on the case doesnt reach it

[05:47:12]

clever:

so its imposible to turn it off

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wagnerrp:

yeah, its going to take about 3 years to make up the price of my embedded firewall, as opposed to the old P3 one

[05:48:24]

clever:

i havent measured my firewall/nat or the switch yet

[05:48:29]

clever:

i should add those to the list

[05:49:23]

clever:

and i think the furnace runs on 110, so you could in theory put it on a normal cord and plug it into the kill-a-watt

[05:49:49]

clever:

its oil based so it only needs power for 3 main things

[05:50:07]

clever:

air blower, water pump, and 24v ac for the themostats

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wagnerrp:

well between a pair of P3s, two switches, a modem, an ATA, and a HDHR, i was pulling about 130W off my UPS

[05:50:36]

clever:

i see 120 watts on my spreadsheet, for 1 system alone

[05:51:32]

wagnerrp:

i split the function of those two boxes between the new embedded firewall, and my MBE

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clever:

i didnt write the watt reading down much since it doesnt give a good idea of the avg usage

[05:51:41]

wagnerrp:

so that usage is probably now down to about 40W

[05:51:59]

wagnerrp:

those machines were always idle, so the watt usage was the average

[05:52:30]

clever:

if i bring up the cpu usage and bandwidth usage for my router i can clearly see they match

[05:52:41]

clever:

pppoe is using a noticable ammount of cpu

[05:52:50]

clever:

0.3% atm

[05:52:54]

clever:

rx: 1.19 kB/s 18 p/s tx: 1.86 kB/s 10 p/s

[05:53:01]

clever:

whoa, it shouldnt be this low

[05:53:06]

clever:

Caught Segmentation fault, dumping stack:B] [Port: 6987] [U 11/11] [D 31/30] [H 3/32] [S 112/489/65023] [F 256/256]

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wagnerrp:

i can see mine clearly match, but im pulling a whopping 10% CPU to manage ~5mbps on a little 500MHz geode

[05:53:28]

clever:

199mhz

[05:53:36]

clever:

and my modem maxes out at 150kbyte/sec

[05:53:46]

clever:

it doesnt get near 100%

[05:54:13]

clever:

so its not realy underpowered

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justinh:

yes! got freenx working

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justinh:

damn ssh config wasn't pointing to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys2

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justinh:

crap. 6:06 am

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wagnerrp:

does that mean youre still up?

[06:06:30]

wagnerrp:

as opposed to getting up?

[06:06:38]

justinh:

still up

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clever:

justinh: welcome to my world!

[06:07:22]

justinh:

been fettling my backend. spring-cleaned it, installed new HDDs, new PSU & got all the services working the way they were if not better

[06:11:11]

justinh:

the case still needs the sides putting back on, but that'll need downtime. this afternoon

[06:11:15]

** justinh goes to bed **

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wagnerrp:

huh.... 'Invalid user mythtvmythtv from 200.203.240.107'

[06:16:55]

kusznir:

clever: just found one potential culprit to higher-than-necessary power usage: Apparently folding at home is running at a nice of 19....

[06:17:01]

wagnerrp:

apparently 'mythtvmythtv' is a common enough user to make it onto a ssh attack, but 'mythtv' is not

[06:17:08]

kusznir:

I think its time to plug the kill-a-watt back in and see what happens when I kill that process...

[06:17:18]

wagnerrp:

kusznir: what processor?

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kusznir:

Athlon XP 2100+ (1.7Ghz)

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clever:

kusznir: i run boinc at 100% usage alot

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clever:

not sure if i had that going when i measured things here

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wagnerrp:

kusznir: i doubt youll drop more than ~15W when turning that off

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clever:

the other thing is cpu scalling

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wagnerrp:

the XPs were before the big push for low power

[06:18:43]

RyeBrye:

Anyone ever thought of writing a voiceXML frontend for mythweb? So you could call into whatever voicexml browser (e.g. tellme or voxeo studio) and do basic stuff like hear what recordings are upcoming, backend status, or schedule recordings?

[06:18:49]

clever:

turning the cpu freq down can get a noticable drop

[06:18:51]

wagnerrp:

didnt have things like CPU scaling

[06:19:05]

clever:

i think i was able to cut the wattage in half by scalling all the way down and turning the lcd panel off

[06:19:40]

wagnerrp:

not one, but two attempts on user 'mythtvmythtv'

[06:19:46]

wagnerrp:

none on 'mythtv'

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clever:

i have a port knocking script hidden behind an http login form

[06:20:40]

RyeBrye:

wagnerrp: oh, don't mind that mythtvmythtv user... that's me ;)

[06:20:48]

** RyeBrye is kidding **

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kusznir:

cpu runs at about 56*C, motherboard reporting the same...

[06:20:51]

clever:

you would need to find the right url, then name/pw, then url

[06:23:10]

wagnerrp:

well the first attempt was local, (216.*)

[06:23:20]

wagnerrp:

the second seems to have come from somewhere in brazil

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wagnerrp:

looks like Philadelphia

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xris:

RyeBrye: I've chatted with blind users before and most seem to think that the compact template for mythweb is decent

[06:26:21]

wagnerrp:

out of all the auth logs, the only successful account found was 'sean', and it doesnt even have login access

[06:27:02]

clever:

wagnerrp: i remember seeing tons of failures on my redhat system

[06:27:09]

clever:

which had an accient openssh server and a 2.4 kernel

[06:27:25]

clever:

you would expect that to get exploited in hours

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RyeBrye:

xris: voicexml isn't necessarily for blind people – it's for when you want to call in via phone and have it do stuff – eg read stuff to you and take input from you... there are a lot of places that let you set up dev accounts that you can use for personal stuff for free ( 1-800-555-TELL is an example of a voiceXML app – and they also let you use their same voice stuff for your own apps )

[06:28:02]

wagnerrp:

except... theyre not trying to exploit anything but bad passwords

[06:28:10]

clever:

debug1: Remote protocol version 1.99, remote software version OpenSSH_3.5p1

[06:28:25]

clever:

yeah its just a shell script that isnt meant to exploit it

[06:28:41]

clever:

one of my friends did get broke into and it left a copy of itself in /dev/shm

[06:28:53]

clever:

i had him tar it up so i could analyze it

[06:29:01]

clever:

see if it did anything else to him

[06:29:11]

clever:

looks to be purely a spread and do nothing type

[06:29:23]

clever:

doesnt even open a back door

[06:29:33]

clever:

just sucks cpu power trying 1000's of passwords

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kusznir:

RyeBrye: are you saying that this includes a voice recognition system in it? (I do research in SmartHome systems, and we've been looking for an open source solution to do things like you mention)

[06:29:56]

RyeBrye:

kusznir: yes, a very good one

[06:30:08]

clever:

kusznir: ive only found text->speech under linux

[06:30:16]

clever:

yet to find any speech->text stuff

[06:30:30]

clever:

the latest fun find is a perl script that makes a fifo at /dev/speech

[06:30:45]

clever:

so you can just 'echo shit > /dev/speech' and the computer will curse at you!

[06:31:28]

clever:

i combined it with acpi and watch to make the laptop report the remaining batery like every 5mins, so i could see the effect of closing the lid and pushing it to the limits with powertop

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RyeBrye:

kusznir: but... the voice recognition stuff doesn't run on your computer. the way "voice browsers" work is they sit on the server and they hit your webserver, grab the voiceXML, parse it out, and then do what it says to do ('eg prompt user for input... whatever') – the voicexml spec has a lot of cool stuff in it and you can do crazy stuff with javascript... etc.

[06:31:43]

kusznir:

RyeBrye: my googling on voicexml turns up what appears to be a standards body web page; is there an actual implementation as you suggest? if so, do you have a URL?

[06:32:26]

kusznir:

RyeBrye: so voiceXML is actually a service where you provide "plugins" or the code while the service does the voice processing?

[06:32:28]

RyeBrye:

kusznir: there are dozens. evolution.voxeo.com, studio.tellme.com – and there are probably a few opensource ones. Voxeo lets you run their prophecy server locally, but it's not OSS and I bet it has some funky license

[06:33:18]

RyeBrye:

kusznir: voiceXML is analogous to HTML – but the biggest difference is that a user doesn't sit in front of their computer and click on stuff to get to your page – they dial a phone to call into their browser which then gets the pages from your server and presents them to the user

[06:33:43]

RyeBrye:

the easiest way to get a feel for what you can do with voiceXML is to call 1-800-555-TELL

[06:34:51]

RyeBrye:

I don't know if there are any free-for-all voicexml browsers or not. I know almost all of the ones that make money hosting commercial solutions let you set up developer accounts and do stuff for free – they just assign you a PIN to dial into one of their lines with usually – and you tell it what URL to point to

[06:37:36]

kusznir:

RyeBrye: that's pretty cool....

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kusznir:

I would love to integrate that into my own asterisk server....(most of our work is done "internally" or "self-contained"; we use voip phones on a non-interconnected voip system for much of our work thus far)

[06:38:59]

RyeBrye:

I think they have a voicexml browser for asterisk – you might be limited to using DTMF for your input method, but istr seeing something

[06:39:47]

RyeBrye:

oh, but maybe it's not oss

[06:45:17]

kusznir:

Hmm...There's the Sphinx voice recognition OpenSource engine...And there's some VoiceXML references to asterisk...It looks like it might be possible.... :)

[06:45:36]

kusznir:

Anyway, its my bedtime. Thanks for the help and conversation! Goodnight!

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xris:

RyeBrye: interesting concept.. but my phone goes wherever I do. :) and I just use the browser on the phone if I want to check my mythweb.

[06:49:11]

clever:

my phone has ssh so can get directly into the backend

[06:49:36]

clever:

though theres not much in cli control right now

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RyeBrye:

xris: yeah, same here. I'm just building out some voicexml stuff for work and that's what got me thinking about it. But... it would be cool to be able to put it a list

[06:49:56]

RyeBrye:

err ... it'd be able to do once "Hey, let me call my DVR and schedule that."

[06:50:13]

RyeBrye:

err... it'd be COOl to DO once (I need to pay attention to what I say)

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xris:

RyeBrye: mythphone could supposedly do that kind of thing.. but it got abandoned

[06:55:07]

RyeBrye:

oh, mythphone could answer calls? I guess that makes sense

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Dagmar:

So you can hear "have you got me on that @#$@$ speakerphone again?" coming out of your stereo

[07:11:39]

xris:

RyeBrye: that was my understanding of one of its features, yes

[07:18:34]

mikeones:

hmm, If I have an nfs share on nodeA, mythtvbackend on nodeB, mythfrontend on nodeC, playing a movie on nodeC causes nodeA to stream the file through nodeB tp nodeC or does the connection occur between nodeA and nodeC?

[07:20:46]

xris:

mikeones: mythvideo or recorded tv?

[07:21:00]

xris:

mythvideo is frontend-only, so it would always come from the mounted disk.

[07:21:04]

mikeones:

mythtvideo

[07:21:29]

mikeones:

xris: thanks

[07:21:56]

xris:

for recorded tv, mythfrontend should try the local pathname first (including nfs mounts).. and if the file doesn't exist, the backend will stream it

[07:22:28]

mikeones:

so the paths on the backend sould match the path on the frontend?

[07:23:22]

mikeones:

backenf being /media/recorded and fronend must also be /media/recorded

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xris:

mikeones: backend doesn't know anything about mythvideo

[07:28:40]

xris:

but yeah. the paths need to be the same

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[Peter]:

kind of OT, but has anyone experienced that the nvidia drivers give you 1080i output when you want 1080p?

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xris:

[Peter]: so you're getting 30fps instead of 60?

[08:02:25]

[Peter]:

xris: not sure about that, but some animations get really jerky, it looks like it goes back one frame sometimes.

[08:02:41]

[Peter]:

xris: the projector claims 1080 / 60i instead of 1080 / 60p

[08:03:46]

xris:

that sounds like telecine, not interlacing

[08:04:51]

[Peter]:

xris: it's very obvious in the myth menus when it's doing fading

[08:05:07]

[Peter]:

and for some reason you can see it when playing back 1080i streams

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Gumby:

hi all. I've got a whole slew of recordings that I have in a storage group called "movies". I'd like to archive this so they get stored elsewhere in a more "human readable" way and also removed from my recorded table. Is there away to do this or am I stuck moving them manually? I dont really need to transcode anything.

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xris:

[Peter]: weird. nvidia driver shouldn't be doing anything like that if you're running at HD resolutions.

[08:11:33]

[Peter]:

xris: I have a receiver in the middle line that outputs invalid EDID data. I'll try to hook the projector directly into the PC and see what happens

[08:16:32]

xris:

sounds like a good place to start looking

[08:20:50]

[Peter]:

hm, no dice there either.

[08:23:34]

[Peter]:

http://pastebin.ca/1324285

[08:23:35]

[Peter]:

wtf

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[Peter]:

how hard can it be to present proper EDID data?

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Dagmar:

For some francises? "very"

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[Peter]:

I guess I have to roll my own modelines

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clever:

moving files with 13k fragments is murder on the system:(

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[Peter]:

wtf, even if I switch to something else than 1920x1080 it's still reported as 1080/60i

[08:56:21]

[Peter]:

although other devices get proper resolution strings

[08:57:32]

[Peter]:

aaaah

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[Peter]:

"Force Full GPU scaling" was set by default for some obscure reason

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GlemSom:

For some reason MythTV cannot tune into one channel anymore (It cannot find the decoder...). So – when tuning into that broken channel it exits with a message saying it cannot display the video – and then it returns to the main menu. But when clicking Watch TV again – it goes to the last watched channel... which is that broken channel :/ I tried switching channels really fast – but that does not work.... How do I get around this?

[09:14:01]

laga:

edit the start channel in mythtv-setup

[09:17:31]

GlemSom:

laga, Isn't there a more wife-friendly way?

[09:19:22]

laga:

:(

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Dibblah:

GlemSom: Doesn't help you much, but that issue I believe is fixed in trunk.

[09:51:53]

Dibblah:

Some people just edit the source so it never updates the start channel.

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[Peter]:

hm, where are video playback profiles stored?

[10:19:38]

[Peter]:

mine seems to have gotten into a bad state

[10:25:24]

Dagmar:

In the frontend configuration menus

[10:25:48]

[Peter]:

yeah, but in the database

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[Peter]:

because I can't add new entries to my profiles

[10:26:33]

[Peter]:

first time I click on "Add new entry" the dialog comes up. but no entry is created. after that the "Add new entry" button does nothing

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[Peter]:

it worked until just now so it seems as the DB got into a bad state

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Dagmar:

Then you *probably* need to *repair* your databases

[10:28:34]

[Peter]:

no shit

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Dagmar:

So you don't have to know whta's in them to tell mysql to repair them.

[10:28:48]

Dagmar:

Hinthint

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[Peter]:

I tried repair tables from mythweb but that did nothing, is there something better?

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karl_:

hi guys !

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karl_:

anyone know how to get mythtv to record two showings of a show which come back-to-back on the same channel ?

[10:47:52]

karl_:

hmm, no one ?

[10:48:31]

karl_:

we have double-features here where they show two episodes of a series back-to back, and my rule fails to record them both.

[10:48:40]

karl_:

i am sure someone knows how to do that !

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dfkl:

hi there

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dfkl:

is there any french ihere ?

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gbee:

karl_: should just work

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gbee:

karl_: try dropping any hard padding from the rule

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karl_:

hi gbee !

[11:27:32]

karl_:

when I set to record without start 5 min before and 15 min after it will stop and restart recording exactly between the two episodes

[11:28:03]

karl_:

unfortunately this never works as the shows often start a few minutes too late or early

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karl_:

why cant mythtv just save the data from the channel into an additional second new file when the second episode starts

[11:28:35]

karl_:

?

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gbee:

karl_: use global padding instead of per-schedule padding

[11:31:10]

gbee:

karl_: because you haven't written the patch yet

[11:31:39]

karl_:

:)

[11:31:59]

karl_:

ok, what is different when I use global padding vs per-schedule ?

[11:32:55]

karl_:

and you agree that it should be possible to record one channel into two files while the padding from the two episodes overlap ?

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[11:37:04]

fabian_ch:

hello

[11:37:39]

fabian_ch:

i've got a question, how can i exit mythtv-setup? i'm usinge the newest svn

[11:38:30]

fabian_ch:

esc doesn't work

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gbee:

karl_: global padding is ignored when it would cause a conflict, per-schedule padding is always enforced

[11:40:59]

gbee:

so with a back to back program it would record both with 5 minutes before the first and 15 minutes after the second

[11:41:53]

Dibblah:

fabian_ch: mythtv-setup now respects the frontend's exit key.

[11:41:58]

gbee:

karl_: with digital it wouldn't conflict, it would record both from a single channel even with per-schedule 'hard' padding

[11:42:14]

Dibblah:

So if you have your frontend set to Ctrl-Esc to exit, same for mythtv-setup.

[11:42:49]

gbee:

recording into two seperate files is technically possible, but non of the devs are interested in working on it because we're all using or switching to digital TV

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gbee:

we'd accept patches, if they were done right, but that's the point of open source – want to improve something? Then you write the patch and optionally submit it for inclusion in the original

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karl_:

thanks for the explanation.

[11:44:36]

karl_:

i understand that your time is limited. however, i use digital (dvb-s and dvb-t), does that make a difference ?

[11:44:44]

fabian_ch:

thank you Dibblah, do you know the standard exit key for kde-4.1 in suse 11.1?

[11:45:03]

Dibblah:

Nothing to do with KDE...

[11:45:14]

Dibblah:

It's whatever it's set to in the frontend.

[11:45:27]

Dibblah:

Try Ctrl-esc, Alt-esc, ...

[11:45:51]

Dibblah:

karl_: AFAIK, trunk already does that.

[11:45:53]

karl_:

ah gbee, missed your message in between, I do use digital, and it is not working.

[11:45:59]

Dibblah:

Has done since multirec was applied.

[11:46:14]

karl_:

ok, i go check my version, i use mythbuntu

[11:46:27]

Dibblah:

Ah, the distro of the random patches :(

[11:47:17]

laga:

Dibblah: random patches? huh?

[11:47:31]

fabian_ch:

ctrl-esc starts the task manager from suse, alt-esc doesn't do anything. so i have to kill mythtv-setup then start the frontend to change the exit key?

[11:47:43]

Dibblah:

Last time I saw, there were a couple of patches that aren't in trunk, but are in mythbuntu.

[11:47:52]

Dibblah:

I could be completely incorrect, of course.

[11:48:10]

Dibblah:

fabian_ch: Probably.

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laga:

Dibblah: hum. i don't think so.. we don't do any crazy stuff. my h264 backport was in there, but that went into -fixes

[11:48:36]

karl_:

sry, it is good for the beginner though :)

[11:48:51]

Dibblah:

In which case, many apologies. I do get things wrong quite often :(

[11:49:27]

laga:

Dibblah: just see for yourself and let me know what you don't like: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mythtv/my . . . ian/patches/

[11:49:50]

laga:

Dibblah: the skiploop patch is not in trunk, but it seems like a viable workaround for now. can't hurt a lot :)

[11:50:06]

laga:

Dibblah: i still need to submit a patch against mythgame which disables the screensaver, thanks for reminding me

[11:50:11]

gbee:

karl_: have you configured more than one Virtual Tuner?

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Dibblah:

laga: I really don't like the perl bindings pro stuff in trunk. But that's not your problem ;)

[11:51:14]

karl_:

i use this version: 0.21.0+fixes18722–0ubuntu1

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Dibblah:

(I see you're doing some minor workarounds in there)

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karl_:

gbee: i have one tuner per card, should I add more ?

[11:52:40]

fabian_ch:

where is the exit key defined, in which config file?

[11:52:53]

Dibblah:

laga: Shouldn't http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mythtv/my . . . lback.dpatch

[11:52:59]

Dibblah:

be pushed upstream?

[11:53:12]

laga:

Dibblah: i got it from trac. that ticket was recently closed

[11:53:13]

Dibblah:

I know it's in trunk, but I don't recall it being backported.

[11:53:25]

laga:

i dont think it's in trunk? it was fixed differently

[11:54:05]

laga:

Dibblah: see http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4951

[11:54:48]

Dibblah:

Can't read http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mythtv/my . . . links.dpatch – Whitespace changes :(

[11:55:03]

laga:

Dibblah: we don't apply that patch anyways.

[11:55:23]

laga:

Dibblah: i think it needs better support in udev. superm1 knows :)

[11:55:48]

Dibblah:

laga: I think http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4792

[11:55:58]

Dibblah:

Is the same issue as the fallback patch you're applying.

[11:56:25]

Dibblah:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/19440

[11:56:28]

laga:

Dibblah: and it's also got a patch.. a different one, though

[11:56:33]

Dibblah:

But doesn't appear to have been backported.

[11:57:03]

laga:

i will request a backport in the ticket.

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ipkaf:

hi

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Dibblah:

laga: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mythtv/my . . . ption.dpatch

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ipkaf:

is there anyone here ?

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laga:

ipkaf: yes

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karl___:

sry, lost connection

[11:57:44]

karl___:

so, do i need multiple virtual cards ?

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ipkaf:

cool

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Dibblah:

If you're going to add this, PLEASE note that it _can_ cause video corruption on the very streams that are causing high CPU.

[11:58:23]

Dibblah:

All dependant on the encoder (at the transmitter, not locally), of course.

[11:58:43]

ipkaf:

how to get start with mythtv ?

[11:58:45]

laga:

Dibblah: yes. i assume users will know that that option has its downsides or it'd be enabled by default

[11:59:00]

Dibblah:

ie if they use certain encoding tricks, this will kill the picture after 5 minutes of long term playback.

[11:59:13]

laga:

Dibblah: does it recover?

[11:59:30]

Dibblah:

That's the annoying part. Theoretically, streams could exist where it doesn't.

[11:59:38]

laga:

theoretically. :)

[11:59:53]

laga:

well, if it breaks for users, they should just disable it again.

[11:59:58]

Dibblah:

Keyframes are now not completely stream independent, from what I understand.

[11:59:59]

laga:

this is still bleeding edge stuff

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Dibblah:

Yes, I know. Sorry – Probably giving too verbose comments :(

[12:00:26]

laga:

no problem :)

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karl___:

gbee ? you still here ?

[12:00:59]

laga:

i simply don't have time to change stuff "minor" stuff right now and i don't care that much about 0.21

[12:01:07]

laga:

since 0.22 is just a few months off

[12:01:32]

laga:

Dibblah: i do appreciate your feedback, patching upstream sources is a delicate issue

[12:01:44]

laga:

Dibblah: upstream knows we have the skiploop patch, btw

[12:02:03]

Dibblah:

Yup.

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karl___:

one more question: is it true that xv picture control will work on the composite-out of a gforce 8 card ? ( i have a 7 and am thinking of switching as I cant change the brightness or anything else)

[12:02:20]

karl___:

got that from there:

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karl___:

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=104334

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Dibblah:

How did http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/18671 turn into http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mythtv/my . . . lcome.dpatch

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laga:

so. PSU, RAM, CPU, mainboard, case, fans, heatsink.. i'm going to reuse my existing capture card and HDD. is there anything else i'm going to need for me new myth box?

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Dibblah:

VDPAU capable video card ;)

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laga:

Dibblah: oops. yeah, that one also has the .orig file

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BenB:

laga: frontend, backend, compined?

[12:04:17]

BenB:

combined

[12:04:24]

laga:

BenB: yes, combined.

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laga:

Dibblah: i need a nice micro atx mainboard with a 9200.

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Dibblah:

laga: Apologies for my earlier misunderstanding. I really can't say anything bad about that patchset ;)

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BenB:

laga: you need a remote control.

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laga:

BenB: that one comes with the case (which i don't like, but hey.)

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BenB:

laga: possibly keyboard, at least temporarily. a TV or screen would do good, too. :)

[12:05:46]

BenB:

but I assume you have these :)

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laga:

yes. ;)

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BenB:

laga: what's the best method to connect a remote? I personally prefer the iMon things that come with cases. I hate these manually-soldiered serial port IR things.

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laga:

BenB: the antec fusion will have an imon thing.

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BenB:

esp. given that I have no serial ports anymore.

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BenB:

laga: my silverstone case also does.(I can *not* recommend solverstone)

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laga:

heh

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BenB:

I live Lian Li, but they have no decent media center cases.

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BenB:

s/live/like/

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BenB:

antec is good?

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laga:

Dibblah: duh, now i remember. we don't apply the mythwelcome patch. i gotta fix that

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laga:

BenB: yeah, they're pretty decent.

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laga:

that's what i hear

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BenB:

FWIW, Lian Li's are the best cases I've ever seen. real alu, well-made, with thought. no sharp corners, all works, good solutions.

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BenB:

laga: ok

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Dibblah:

How have I missed all of these tickets? :(

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laga:

Dibblah: okay, cleaned the mythwelcome patch and added it to the build ;)

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laga:

it can't be that hard to make mainboards with a 9xxx chipset?

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karl___:

any more info on how to get back-to-back recording working? i use dvb

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Dibblah:

karl___: You may need to set maximum recordings per tuner to >1.

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karl___:

thanks, that makes sense, will do

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karl___:

anything else ?

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justinh:

meh. I really shouldn't have stayed up til 6am

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Dibblah:

Did your night have a theme?

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laga:

concept?

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justinh:

it had a theme alright. make the 'new' backend work

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Dibblah:

Oh, funky.

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laga:

aw

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justinh:

new OS, new PSU, new HDDs, same apps. different config files. grr

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justinh:

prolly ended up spending more time making samba, cups & freenx work than I did to make mythtv & my netbooted frontend work though

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laga:

gbee: what VDPAU capable mainboard are you using?

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justinh:

still, at least I'm not longer running an os that's 5 years old :)

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justinh:

bugger. I forgot about xmltv

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Dibblah:

Should the directfb stuff still exist in Myth?

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Dibblah:

AFAIK, noone has successfully used it in literally years.

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directhex:

kill it with flame!

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directhex:

make myth gl-only just to be sure!

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Dibblah:

My meaning is that it's becoming less and less relevant.

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karl___:

guys, thanks for your help, will know monday if back-to-back is now working for me

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karl___:

cheers!

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justinh:

hrm. sudo hdparm -d /dev/sdc results in HDIO_GET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device

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justinh:

er.. hello.. it's a PATA HDD

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laga:

justinh: _s_dc. i think DMA is enabled by default

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justinh:

laga: it IS sdc

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justinh:

because in Hardy all disks became 'scsi'

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laga:

yes. s as in "scsi" :)

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laga:

and DMA is on by default AFAIR

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justinh:

laga: dma was supposed to be enabled by default on whatever i used last.. which it wasn't always

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justinh:

ooo snowing

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justinh:

so hdparm is a chocolate fireguard now. nice

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justinh:

what was wrong with HDs anyway. why the need to move to SD$x ?

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laga:

justinh: libata AFAIK

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laga:

justinh: hdparm -tT will tell you if DMA is enabled :)

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justinh:

Timing cached reads: 210 MB in 2.02 seconds = 104.16 MB/sec

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justinh:

that'll do :)

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laga:

yeah, looks good

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justinh:

ooo. this doesn't look good. Duplicate entry '1043-2009-02–02 17:05:00-BBFC-PG' for key 1

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Dibblah:

DMA is not always on by default.

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Dibblah:

And it shouldn't be.

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Dibblah:

It's disabled for known broken chipset / drive combinations.

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Dibblah:

Enabling it in rc scripts is _begging_ for trouble.

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laga:

Dibblah: how do you enable it?

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Dagmar:

Don't

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Dagmar:

You don't.

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laga:

ah. so it's either enabled or not.

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laga:

that's what i meant. "by default" ;)

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justinh:

so, if my disk is fast, it's on

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justinh:

yay

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Dagmar:

If the kernel driver doesn't do it already, you're probably going to be having a facepalm day if you go and manually force it on.

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Dagmar:

It's generally got a really GOOD reason for not enabling DMA if it doesn't do it.

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Dibblah:

Not necessarily. And fairly definitely not right away.

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Dibblah:

Which makes it all the more dangerous.

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Dagmar:

Things like, the username on the first user account is 'clever'.

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justinh:

the proper way is to enquire what the hardware can do

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Dagmar:

Okay, so I still think it's funny he was using some 40-pin IDE cables

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Dibblah:

Heh. My first patch submitted for an issue I _really_ don't give a damn about, but is a ticket down if it gets committed :)

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justinh:

so, think I tidied up the key duplicate

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Dagmar:

Dude, dont' force dma on without looking into why it was turned off

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Dagmar:

It's what clever was trying at one point

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Dibblah:

Dagmar: I'm not suggesting it.

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Dibblah:

I'm saying that some distros have at least in the past had entries on the wiki of "useful speed demon tweaks" of which that is one.

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Dagmar:

I know. I just sorted out that justinh was, for whatever reason, attempting to do so.

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Dagmar:

I thought at first you guys were talking about something in a distro's init script

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justinh:

no, I was attempting to find out if it was enabled

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Dagmar:

Yeah, just use -iI

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Dagmar:

You might want to don any equipment that gives you resistance to WALL OF TEXT attacks first tho

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justinh:

ah. UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 udma5 *udma6

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justinh:

nift

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justinh:

I used to use hdparm that way all the time, back when I had to validate HDDs

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Dagmar:

I used to constantly catch people complaining about problems getting hdparm to force some obscure -X setting they didn't even use the right number for

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Dagmar:

You can guess which distro they were usually using.

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justinh:

rahahaha. TVX/Redhot now get show descriptions

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Dagmar:

Most of the time I'd find out about it before they were posting queries about strange error messages from the disk coming up in their syslog, and the occasional MASSIVE data corruption problem.

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Dagmar:

;)

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Dagmar:

The warnings in the man page against dorking around with the transfer modes isn't particularly exaggerating

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Dagmar:

Shades of 10 FAST; 20 GOTO 10 right there

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justinh:

heh

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Dibblah:

I'm tired of this. There's too many tickets :(

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justinh:

marvellous. xmltv all worky

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Dagmar:

Dibblah: You should fill out a bug report on it then

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justinh:

time for breakfast

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Dagmar:

It might lighten the mood a bit at least.

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laga:

Dibblah: hey, i'll lots of free time in two weeks. remind me to help you.

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laga:

i'll have*

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Dibblah:

Anywhere I can get a job doing ticket triage? It so fills me with joy.

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Dibblah:

</speech type=sarcasm>

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Dibblah:

527 active tickets. 231 hardly even looked at.

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laga:

Dibblah: two weeks. :)

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Dibblah:

Heh :)

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Dibblah:

We really need to help clear out Trac before the 0.22 release – There's too much in there for the real devs to review.

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laga:

yes.

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justinh:

well, having just watched the BBC's 'Click' programme I'm left thinking "ugh, 3d". Chairman of the 3d consortium saying we're gonna have 3d phones, 3d microwaves.. pfft and PAH! Jobs for the boys

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laga:

justinh: you hang out more in the forums than i do

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justinh:

I bore easily these days

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justinh:

plus there are sometimes interesting posts

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justinh:

the guy obviously hasn't had much experience with tuner cards. I've explained some stuff & told him that IS actually a good capture – for an analogue tuner

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laga:

sweet

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justinh:

hrm I can't remember where in the docs the tv overscan settings are mentioned – i.e. getting rid of the pesky 'static' lines

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justinh:

I should suggest changing the site's credo to Ludo though. "where the world comes to ask questions because they didn't RTFM, then bugger off when they get an answer never to be seen again"

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justinh:

time to get ready & go out in the snow with the doggy :D

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laga:

sweet

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laga:

have fun

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zertyuio:

hi

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zertyuio:

hi

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zertyuio:

is it possible to use mythtv for webservice ?

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zertyuio:

is there anyone ihere ?

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laga:

if you have to ask, then the answer is likely "no"

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zertyuio:

why ?

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zertyuio:

i just a normal user

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laga:

for one, we don't know what kind of "webservice" you want

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xand:

zertyuio: your question doesn't make sense

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zertyuio:

simply i want to redirect my home Tv to my work

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zertyuio:

i m just newbies

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zertyuio:

if i own a mythtv server is it possible to redirect my home tv to my work for example ?

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zertyuio:

sorry

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xand:

mythweb does streaming

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zertyuio:

sorry i rexplain my question

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zertyuio:

i got this box http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/FreeBox

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zertyuio:

over this box i can see lots of channels

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zertyuio:

and this box is working only with one tv

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zertyuio:

i got 3 television, by having a mythtv server is it possible to mulitply the display with different channel on all my three TV ?

[14:32:15]

zertyuio:

by having 2 mythtv server ?

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zertyuio:

is it possible ?

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zertyuio:

hello

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zertyuio:

anyone there ?

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laga:

zertyuio: this might help you: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/FreeBox

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zertyuio:

that's link i give you

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zertyuio:

what's mythtv exactly ?

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laga:

ah, sorry, didn't see that

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laga:

zertyuio: read the documentation.

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laga:

zertyuio: we are not here to read it to you

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zertyuio:

i can't understand ? is it a TV server

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zertyuio:

or simply tv player ?

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zertyuio:

like vlc player ?

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tank-man:

zertyuio, mythtv can let you schedule recordings of tv shows so you can watch them later

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gbee:

records TV, and streams to one or many clients, plays back the streamed recording on those clients

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Guest17896:

Hi

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tank-man:

hello uniq user 00001

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zertyuio:

that's only can do mythtv ? tank-man

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Guest17896:

how do I make the music to be browsable I changed the setting to "folder" but then I get everything in on long list

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tank-man:

zertyuio, mainly yes

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zertyuio:

what i want to do is ; using mythtv i want to use a decoder to capture channel then tansmitting different

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zertyuio:

channel to different LCD

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zertyuio:

kind of what a normal television can do

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ldiamond:

Can anyone help me setup LIRC (and my remote) on my laptop?

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Guest17896:

I had it working before , but then I had to reinstall and then I cant get it back like it was before :-( any ideas will be greatly appreciated

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ldiamond:

I know my IR is a ITE (it87)

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zertyuio:

using a some kind internal TV server

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ldiamond:

lsmod | grep ir returns nothing. LIRC is installed and running

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zertyuio:

using a some kind of internal TV server for severral LCD

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zertyuio:

is there something like that ?

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tank-man:

zertyuio, it records from a tv source to a video file on a computer. if you have your computers networked together, you can watch that video file with all the features a computer provides

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ldiamond:

zertyuio, your decoder will only decode 1 channel at the time.

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ldiamond:

and so will your tuner.

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gbee:

ugh, blizzard outside :/

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gbee:

Guest17896: Show Full Tree or something

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Dibblah:

Meh. So much for me being in the frozen north.

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ldiamond:

Anyone know how to setup a IR?

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gbee:

supposed to be worse in the South, I wasn't even sure it would reach Derbyshire from the weather reports I caught in the last few days

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tank-man:

ldiamond, do you know the kernel module you need to use?

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Guest17896:

thanks gbee Ill try that

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ldiamond:

tank-man, it87

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ldiamond:

tank-man, LIRC is already installed

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ldiamond:

tank-man, I dont remember the cmd to load it87 tho

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tank-man:

if that is the full name, then the command is: modprobe it87

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stuarta:

gbee: bright sunshine here

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stuarta:

tho we caught some brief snow showers when driving back up

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DarkDrgn2k:

wtf

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DarkDrgn2k:

2009-02–01 09:56:48.275 Opening ALSA audio device 'default'.

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DarkDrgn2k:

ALSA lib confmisc.c:768:(parse_card) cannot find card '0'

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ldiamond:

FATAL: Error inserting it87 (/lib/modules/2.6.27-11-generic/kernel/drivers/hwmon/it87.ko): No such device

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DarkDrgn2k:

sounds deadly

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tank-man:

ldiamond, that means thats not the name or its not installed

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DarkDrgn2k:

ok

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DarkDrgn2k:

why does my PVR sometimes goe ALL static

[15:05:47]

DarkDrgn2k:

and i have to reboot the system to get my cable back

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DarkDrgn2k:

:(

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zertyuio:

is there any decoder decode more than one channel at the time ?

[15:06:24]

DarkDrgn2k:

zertyuio: you mean multiple tuners?

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zertyuio:

yr

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zertyuio:

yes

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DarkDrgn2k:

zertyuio: if you mean analog.. pvr500 comes with 2 tuners...

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DarkDrgn2k:

zertyuio: and DVB can process multiple streams from the same transponder..

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zertyuio:

i just a normal user

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zertyuio:

a student

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zertyuio:

that's all

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zertyuio:

i don't know if you have the triple play offer on your country

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zertyuio:

where TV Telephone and Internet for a small

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zertyuio:

price

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zertyuio:

i simply want to understand how the ISP do

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DarkDrgn2k:

huuu?

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zertyuio:

for television on each one home

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DarkDrgn2k:

huuu

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zertyuio:

for television streaming on each one's home

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wagnerrp:

what do you meanhho 'how the ISP do'?

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DarkDrgn2k:

huuuu

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DarkDrgn2k:

wagnerrp: every time he speaks i get more and more confused

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DarkDrgn2k:

wagnerrp: no idea if hes talking about IPTV DVB ANALOG ..

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kambei:

What in the world is going on here?

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zertyuio:

IPTV i think

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wagnerrp:

what about it?

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zertyuio:

i got iptv provide by isp

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zertyuio:

where i can only watch tv on one tv

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DarkDrgn2k:

zertyuio: and you have a RECEIVER for that

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zertyuio:

yes

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wagnerrp:

thats because you probably have UVerse with a whopping 6mbit for internet and tv

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zertyuio:

how to mulitply if you want to use on several tv ?

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zertyuio:

that's simple my question

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DarkDrgn2k:

zertyuio: get another receiver

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wagnerrp:

if you can only use it on one TV, thats because your provider only gives you one stream

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zertyuio:

without having a another receiver

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wagnerrp:

you must ask your provider for more streams

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DarkDrgn2k:

zertyuio: get an antenna..

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DarkDrgn2k:

zertyuio: in short.. you cannot.

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wagnerrp:

except for some very rare providers, IPTV is all encrypted

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wagnerrp:

you must have a receiver

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DarkDrgn2k:

im gonna have the same problem

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DarkDrgn2k:

im moving to a building

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zertyuio:

is it possible to stream to pc and then multiply is i tpossible ?

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DarkDrgn2k:

where BELL decided to provide TV using fiber :-S

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wagnerrp:

what do you mean multiply?

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DarkDrgn2k:

zertyuio: you can probably split the SAME cahnel to multiple tvs

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wagnerrp:

mythtv can record anything coming off a receiver

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zertyuio:

i got 3 TV

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wagnerrp:

and then it can stream that to any frontend or UPNP device

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DarkDrgn2k:

zertyuio: but you cannot tune to a differnt channel without a new receiver

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wagnerrp:

similarly, you could just get a splitter, and run A/V off the receiver to multiple TVs

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zertyuio:

ok

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wagnerrp:

with digital cable, all channels are broadcast all the time

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zertyuio:

let tell me how the webtv working ?

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wagnerrp:

with IPTV, you get A SINGLE CHANNEL

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wagnerrp:

and the provider switches in the content on demand

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DarkDrgn2k:

each receiver "tunes" into a NEW stream

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wagnerrp:

im sure webtv just sends commands to some remote box, and you switch in a video feed of the web site

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zertyuio:

the same ISP provider provide a TV for pc solution

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DarkDrgn2k:

wagnerrp: yeh im going wiht this stupid BELL vdsl solution it REALLY seemt to suck

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DarkDrgn2k:

wagnerrp: dont think they have HD yet

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zertyuio:

as u can see here http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/FreeBox

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zertyuio:

you just have to download vlc player

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zertyuio:

than put it that link : http://mafreebox.freebox.fr/freeboxtv/playlist.m3u

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wagnerrp:

well then set it up in the manner that page describes

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DarkDrgn2k:

are you using freebox?

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zertyuio:

and you can TV on several pc

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zertyuio:

yes

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DarkDrgn2k:

in france?

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zertyuio:

yea

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zertyuio:

yeah

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DarkDrgn2k:

then you foudn your answer

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wagnerrp:

understand your bandwidth limits

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wagnerrp:

you probably dont have the bandwidth to stream more than one HD, or a handful of SD channels simultaneously

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DarkDrgn2k:

Bell ExpressVu TV For Condos is delivered from a head end to a local DSLAM over fibre (aka basement of the condo) and then up the elevator shaft / access shafts via existing twisted pair phone lines, sharing TV, Internet and POTS. Because the run lengths are relatively short, more reliable bandwidth can be assured. The existing VDSL product maxes out at around 15 mbps; the improved version, VDSL2/VDSL2+ w

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RealKillaz:

is it possible to see the mythtv media center when the router in the network is not upnp?

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DarkDrgn2k:

RealKillaz: umm probaboly

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DarkDrgn2k:

RealKillaz: i use myth and dont use UPNP

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zertyuio:

my question is why we can't make a internal TV channel ? with a flux of IPTV ?

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RealKillaz:

DarkDrgn2k: ok. it's strange that my ps3 is not seeing the mythtv server then

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DarkDrgn2k:

huuuu? internal

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wagnerrp:

RealKillaz: how is your network set up?

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zertyuio:

on a LAN

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DarkDrgn2k:

RealKillaz: upnp is just a bunch of broadcast packets.

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wagnerrp:

as long as the PS3 is not on the other side of a router from your mythbackend, it should have no trouble accessing it

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RealKillaz:

well... I have a router giving me adsl.

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directhex:

UPnP covers a LOT of technologies. a router's UPnP is not the same kind of thing as myth's UPnP

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Kludge:

Question: I have set up a mythtv server w/ my pchdtv 3000, and a myth frontend on a separate computer. The frontend computer is kind of slow, and myth plays the videos really slowly. However the frontend computer plays the recorded videos OK if I type mplayer -framedrop xxxxx.mpg. What can I do?

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directhex:

is your backend configured such that it thinks it is on a real IP (e.g. 192.168.1.2) not a loopback one (127.0.1.1)?

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RealKillaz:

this router is connected to another 'wireless router' of which I turned of DHCP

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RealKillaz:

these are connected to each other using the LAN connection...

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RealKillaz:

not the WAN

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wagnerrp:

is it using NAT? or simply acting as a bridge?

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RealKillaz:

wagnerrp: uhm I have to find that one out. I have put it there just so that I can connect wireless on it

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wagnerrp:

are they on the same subnet? do they have the same broadcast address? can they connect to each other directly?

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RealKillaz:

wagnerrp: yes to all the above questions

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wagnerrp:

well then UPNP should work

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RealKillaz:

the router is 192.168.1.1

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RealKillaz:

the wireless router is 192.168.1.254

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RealKillaz:

I can ping all of them

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wagnerrp:

hardwire both devices into a switch, and test UPNP

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wagnerrp:

if that works, build back to where you currently are and figure out when it stops working

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RealKillaz:

hmm ok...

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RealKillaz:

but DarkDrgn2k, was saying upnp is not needed for connecting to mythtv

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RealKillaz:

as a media-server

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RealKillaz:

I thought that was the problem..

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RealKillaz:

on my laptop I can ping all teh devices

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RealKillaz:

but my PS3 can not see the media-server

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directhex:

you're carefully ignoring things you've been told.

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RealKillaz:

it seems logic that if my laptop can see all devices and ping them on the same subnet that all the others should see each other also

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directhex:

UPnP on a router has NOTHING to do with UPnP on a console. UPnP on a router is used so a device or app can request firewall exclusion

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directhex:

UPnP on a console uses a completely different branch of the UPnP spec

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DarkDrgn2k:

where do i change interlacing again?

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directhex:

RealKillaz, so what is your master backend ip set to?

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RealKillaz:

directhex: hold on will check that

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directhex:

select * from settings where `value` = "BackendServerIP";

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Dibblah:

Heh. The day after I give away my VDPAU capable 9400 card, NV updates the driver to support it.

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stuarta:

oops

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DarkDrgn2k:

ok wef

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DarkDrgn2k:

wtf

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DarkDrgn2k:

Failed to initialize audio driver 'alsa'

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DarkDrgn2k:

Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound.

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RealKillaz:

directhex: I'm running the IP 192.168.1.12

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RealKillaz:

for the mythtv-backend

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directhex:

RealKillaz, that's what is reported inside mythtv-setup (or via the mysql snipped above), not what ifconfig says?

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DarkDrgn2k:

"[AO_ALSA] alsa-lib: confmisc.c:768:(parse_card) cannot find card '0'"

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DarkDrgn2k:

what does that mean

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RealKillaz:

directhex: that is reported in mythtv-backend setup

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DarkDrgn2k:

... what have i forgotten to set the permission on lol

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RealKillaz:

and my wlan0 on the media-server is running 192.168.1.12

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RealKillaz:

directhex: strange huh? from the media-server 192.168.1.12 I can also ping the PS3 192.168.1.11

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RealKillaz:

but still the PS3 is telling me can not find media-server.

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RealKillaz:

that's why I thought that upnp is needed..

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RealKillaz:

maybe because of port forwarding issues

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directhex:

check your backend log. does it report that upnp is being enabled?

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RealKillaz:

directhex: hold on

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RealKillaz:

directhex: oh oh.. I see some strange things in the log.

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RealKillaz:

QServerSocket: failed to bind or listen to the socket

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RealKillaz:

2009-02–01 16:39:13.380 Failed to bind port 6543. Exiting.

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RealKillaz:

directhex: I see this in my log http://pastebin.ca/1324535

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RealKillaz:

some problem connecting to socket

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RealKillaz:

the problem is mythtv backend starts running before I connect to the wireless where it has the ip 192.168.1.12

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directhex:

and you've found your problem

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justinh:

three cheers for network manager. or not :)

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RealKillaz:

directhex: is this the problem?

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phunyguy:

hip hip!

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RealKillaz:

justinh: network manager is giving me an IP after the process starts running...

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directhex:

RealKillaz, binding a network socket to a non-existent ip? yes

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justinh:

RealKillaz: did you not detect my sarcasm? ;)

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RealKillaz:

:-)

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RealKillaz:

ok let me restart mthtv-backend now...

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justinh:

the init scripts should be forced to have dependencies.. i.e. depends NETWORK, MYSQL ..

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justinh:

I've seen some that do

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phunyguy:

yeah instead they are just given a number

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RealKillaz:

hmm... how can I change the order of the process? first wlan connect and then mythtv-backend starts?

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dustybin:

wow lily allens new track 'fear' is bl**** excellent :D

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justinh:

you only just heard that? where you bin at?

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dustybin:

justinh: she was on jonnathan ross, just watched it

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fabian_ch:

why doesn't mythvideo show my videofiles? I mounted a samba share to /home/user/video and set video directory in mythvideo to /home/user/video, but it doesn't seem to find my files.

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justinh:

I heard the album in late December. it's pretty much all nifty

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justinh:

advance copy :D

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dustybin:

ace :D

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** dustybin has a look at something what begins with t **

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phunyguy:

...

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RealKillaz:

directhex: I restarted mythtv-backend. And the socket thing is gone. I started the mythtv-frontend, but still PS3 can not find it.

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RealKillaz:

http://pastebin.ca/1324551

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RealKillaz:

this is so frustrating

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tank-man:

RealKillaz, line 5 reveals all

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phunyguy:

oh nice

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phunyguy:

someone edit that in?

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phunyguy:

fabian, because mythtv can't access the directory

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phunyguy:

fabian_ch: *

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phunyguy:

fabian_ch: prolly permissions.

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RealKillaz:

tank-man: are you trying to be funny? The message on line 5 is referring to I guess this ERROR: no valid capture cards are defined in the database. and that is correct.

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RealKillaz:

But what does the capture card has to do with my PS3 not seeeing the media-server?

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Dibblah:

Wierd. My frontend (nvidia) is now in a state where it fastforwards through all playing.

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phunyguy:

awesome dibblah

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phunyguy:

now you can watch twice as many videos!

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dustybin:

instead of building up a mp3 / FLAC music collection, why not just build a collection of the actual music videos, then you dont need to rely on mythmusic :D

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dustybin:

and it will look pretty :D

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Dibblah:

Even more odd – Restarting X doesn't fix it.

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tank-man:

RealKillaz, try running mythbackend with verbose/debug logging

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tank-man:

easier than just guessing

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tank-man:

and i have a ps3 working just fine accessing the videos on my mythbackend

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RealKillaz:

tank-man: The problem is with the PS3 not recozgnizing my media-server., cause my windows pc has detected the mythtv media-server

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tank-man:

do you have the latest ps3 firmware ?

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Dibblah:

Is the PS3 on the same wired network?

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tank-man:

wifi right now

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Dibblah:

You're buggered, then ;)

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tank-man:

buggered?

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Dibblah:

Broadcasts don't traverse network segments.

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Dibblah:

Otherwise the whole internet would be one giant ARP storm...

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RealKillaz_:

tank-man: you have a PS3 connected to your mythtv?

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tank-man:

yes over wifi

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RealKillaz_:

tank-man: yes I have the latest PS3 firmware. and mine is also over WiFi

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tank-man:

try running mythbackend with the --verbose option

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RealKillaz_:

tank-man: ok will do that

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darkdrgn2k:

Ok, all of a sudden when im watching a DIVX.. my SVIDEO connection gets all horizontal liney when the sounds goes up...

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darkdrgn2k:

and trebble seems high

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phunyguy:

PVR card?

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phunyguy:

oh wait

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phunyguy:

you said divx

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phunyguy:

because I have a PVR card that on some channel changes the sound gets all funky

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phunyguy:

switch to another channel then back to the original and its fine again

[16:49:54]

phunyguy:

but that could just be a myth playback issue

[16:49:59]

phunyguy:

havent looked into it muchj

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phunyguy:

-j

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darkdrgn2k:

the wierd part is that whenever they talk.. the picture gets staticy.. but like horizontal lines static

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wagnerrp:

darkdrgn2k: sounds like cheap cables

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wagnerrp:

poor shielding, and theyre kept too close together

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wagnerrp:

so large signal on the audio bleeds over onto the video

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darkdrgn2k:

odd part i been running this for like a year now

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darkdrgn2k:

it JUST started...

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mtn_biker_mike:

need help getting Nvidi card working,,,,,, VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV25 [GeForce4 Ti 4400]

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mtn_biker_mike:

also Guide not working in live tv, choppy video running mythubutu 8.10

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phunyguy:

guide not working... what capture card?

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phunyguy:

chances are if your nvidia card isnt working right, neither will your guide

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mtn_biker_mike:

pchdtv hd 3000

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mtn_biker_mike:

using the 96 driver it is activated but running in low graphics mode

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jfry:

am trying to use the dvbradioexport.pl script... and I am not getting any output. Running it manually doesn't throw any errors (until it tries to read the id3tag), however the target file is not completed.

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jfry:

Any ideas

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IceWewe:

hello all

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IceWewe:

I've just installed a Hauppauge HVR-1600 in my system and gotten it recognized by mythtv

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IceWewe:

my problem is that it won't tune to the OTA ATSC channels in my area that I was previously picking up with an HVR-1250

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justinh:

and the age old saying still applies: always check your tuner hardware works outside of mythtv first

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iamlindoro:

I remember when my grandpappy taught me that back in 'aught one

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mtn_biker_mike:

I have a HVR-1600

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IceWewe:

justinh, I've tried with dvbscan and that fails

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IceWewe:

ERROR: initial tuning failed

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mtn_biker_mike:

using cable, have not finished seting it up yet trying to get one card to work at a time

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justinh:

IceWewe: that would seem to indicate it's not mythtv's fault the card no worky

[17:44:34]

IceWewe:

justinh, yes, it would, is there another channel I could ask these questions on?

[17:46:40]

justinh:

I'd be reading wiki articles & things to do with the distro you use if I were you

[17:47:02]

justinh:

looking for hints like where to put firmware, which modules to load, how to check it works etc

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iamlindoro:

#linuxtv

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ldiamond:

Anyone here know how to make a built-in laptop IR (ITE) on linux?

[17:54:26]

ldiamond:

Anyone here know how to make a built-in laptop IR (ITE) WORK on linux?

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linuxmaniac:

join #linuxtv

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RealKillaz_:

tank-man: no luck connecting my ps3 using wifi.

[17:56:32]

ldiamond:

thanks

[17:57:02]

RealKillaz_:

my pc can connect to the media-server but my ps3 still wont connect.

[17:58:25]

RealKillaz_:

so strange. and it did work. I moved to another place. Only different is I have now a wireless router......

[17:58:32]

jamesd:

every buddy better clean out there mythtv storage.... they are going to run out of disk space for the insanity known as Superbowl Sunday.. NBC has 5 hours of pre-game show and then 3 hours for the game, and probably another hour or two post game show.. better free up some space.

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jamesd:

;-)

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laga:

i don't think we'll get 10 hours of super bowl coverage in germany ;)

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iamlindoro:

Space Free: 9,998,795 MB

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iamlindoro:

Should be okay ;)

[18:02:34]

IceWewe:

wow, 9TB

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mag0o:

given this OTA channel: WLTZ-DT49:52=eng:0:0:3:0:0:0 how would i go about getting it into mythtv? the scan picks it up but reports no tables

[18:06:34]

RealKillaz_:

what are the options for starting mythbackend in verbose mode? Missing argument to -v/--verbose option

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iamlindoro:

-v help

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RealKillaz_:

thank you

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mtn_biker_mike:

need help, reading up about mu ubuntu prob , tells me to go to system--> adminstrator but I dont have admin menue?

[18:12:36]

RealKillaz_:

tank-man: I need some help here.

[18:12:40]

RealKillaz_:

Or anyone else.

[18:13:08]

RealKillaz_:

when I search with my ps3 a media I see in the mythbackend running verbose all I see the IP of the PS3

[18:13:31]

RealKillaz_:

2009-02–01 19:11:09.131 HTTPRequest::SendResponse(xml/html) () :200 OK -> 192.168.1.3: 1

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mag0o:

hmm, this is an interesting dtv/fcc page (i think) – http://www.fcc.gov/oet/dtv/

[18:13:43]

mag0o:

lots of apparently useful info

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RealKillaz_:

but still ps3 is telling me there is no media

[18:15:24]

RealKillaz_:

please check this log http://pastebin.ca/index.php

[18:15:42]

RealKillaz_:

I mean http://pastebin.ca/1324647

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CCFL_Man:

what do you guys recommend as a stable dvb-s pci card?

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Mrdini:

yo all

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justinh:

lol

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BenB:

CCFL_Man: TechiSat SkyStar HD(1) works fine for me.

[18:25:45]

BenB:

CCFL_Man: it's a DVB-S2

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BenB:

justinh: ?

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justinh:

ldiamond: you'll be lucky. onboard IR on PC hardware is usually only IRDA capable, not consumer IR (CIR)

[18:27:00]

justinh:

BenB: laughing at the 'yo all' guy

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ldiamond:

justinh, What does that mean?

[18:27:37]

justinh:

ldiamond: it means you probably can't use your laptop IR hardware for remote controls

[18:27:44]

justinh:

and I said _probably_

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justinh:

your IR hardware MAY be supported by lirc

[18:28:06]

mag0o:

mine works on my t43

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mag0o:

enough to record my remote

[18:28:29]

justinh:

some chipsets do work, cos.. they're supported by lirc. amazing!

[18:28:31]

ldiamond:

justinh, it's supported by lirc, but I have no idea how to make it work

[18:28:36]

CCFL_Man:

BenB: well, i wanted to save money because i just wanted dvb-s support, the cards will only be used for dvb-s multiplexes

[18:28:52]

BenB:

CCFL_Man: Technisat skystar2 also works for me.

[18:28:59]

justinh:

ldiamond: man lirc. go to www.lirc.org & read the docs. read any lirc howtos for the distro you use

[18:29:09]

BenB:

CCFL_Man: I don't think the difference is big, though, and saves you buying a new card in the future.

[18:29:31]

ldiamond:

justinh, yea I tried that, but nothing works really...

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CCFL_Man:

hmm..

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ldiamond:

justinh, I was trying to add a module but the module can't be found...

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CCFL_Man:

BenB: how about the twinhan cards?

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BenB:

CCFL_Man: lspci -v: Techsan Electronics Co Ltd B2C2 FlexCopII DVB chip / Technisat SkyStar2 DVB card (rev 02)

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BenB:

lsmod: b2c2_flexcop_pci

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BenB:

CCFL_Man: I have no idea.

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justinh:

ldiamond: prolly hasn't been built yet ;)

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CCFL_Man:

BenB: they available in the US online?

[18:32:10]

BenB:

CCFL_Man: I wouldn't know. I live in Europe

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RealKillaz_:

tank-man: are you there?

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CCFL_Man:

BenB: ahh, you receive DW-TV with it?

[18:33:35]

BenB:

CCFL_Man: "DW-TV"? "Deutsche Welle"?

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RealKillaz_:

guys when I search for media-server using my PS3 (192.168.1.3) I see the media-server in verbose mode sending a response 200 to the PS3.

[18:33:46]

BenB:

CCFL_Man: I receive all German TV stations with these.

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RealKillaz_:

but still PS3 is saying there is no media server found

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RealKillaz_:

is there a known issue with PS3 and mythtv?

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justinh:

RealKillaz_: so it's reallyy not bound to 127.0.0.1 ?

[18:34:27]

BenB:

CCFL_Man: but be sure to pick a retailer that has a return guarantee – the card vendors change the cards all the time (TechniSat less so than others), so a card that's known to work may not work for you, because they changed it.

[18:34:44]

RealKillaz_:

justinh: nope. its bound to 192.168.1.2

[18:34:51]

justinh:

these upnp things.. there's nothing universal about the 'u'

[18:35:01]

justinh:

more like 'u be lucky if it works'

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perilousapricot:

hey guys, I just got a new giant drive for my myth recordings and was wondering what you guys thought for a filesystem. ext4 or XFS

[18:35:23]

CCFL_Man:

BenB: ahh

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mchou:

perilousapricot: I'd say xfs for now

[18:35:39]

BenB:

perilousapricot: I'm all for XFS.

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mchou:

perilousapricot: ext4 hasnt had a track record yet

[18:35:58]

CCFL_Man:

BenB: yeah, Deutsche Welle TV, i watch it here in the US via c band satellite

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RealKillaz_:

justinh: how can I check this for sure. I've been saving in the myth-backend already for a couple of time this IP 192.168.1.2 for both the IP address fields

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justinh:

RealKillaz_: as I said, u be lucky if upnp ever works

[18:36:55]

justinh:

upnp != upnp != upnp :-\

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mchou:

perilousapricot: which giant drive did you end up getting?

[18:37:04]

BenB:

CCFL_Man: the cards I told you are DVB-S/S2 – I don't know what c band is. I use Astra satellites, but Eutelsat works as well – both in Europe. I have no idea about the situation in the US these days.

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justinh:

CCFL_Man: I thought you were all set up with dvb-s already

[18:37:29]

perilousapricot:

mchou: well, I got one of those seagate 1TB drives that's been boning everyone

[18:37:40]

perilousapricot:

it just came back from RMA

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mchou:

perilousapricot: living life on the edge

[18:37:55]

perilousapricot:

I play fast and loose with my data

[18:37:58]

BenB:

duh

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mchou:

perilousapricot: did you get a refurb as RMA?

[18:38:24]

mchou:

perilousapricot: or did they give you a brand new one?

[18:38:29]

BenB:

perilousapricot: when that happens to me, I just sell the devices or scrape them. 1 TB data is worth more than $100.

[18:38:30]

perilousapricot:

looks new

[18:38:39]

CCFL_Man:

BenB: in the US, it's mostly dvb-s, very little s2

[18:38:50]

mchou:

perilousapricot: you'd know it was refurb from the label

[18:38:58]

perilousapricot:

yeah, then it's new

[18:38:59]

BenB:

CCFL_Man: you have DVB-S these days? freetv or pay-tv? which stations are available there?

[18:39:03]

CCFL_Man:

justinh: well, i want my dvb-s channels over ip rather than qam

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mchou:

perilousapricot: that's actually nice of seagate

[18:39:19]

perilousapricot:

hmmmm, the partition editor won't let me choose xfs

[18:39:41]

perilousapricot:

mchou: yeah, but at this point, I bet they don't have a lot of refurbished drives sitting around due to the giant RMA problem they've been having

[18:39:48]

mchou:

perilousapricot: that's cause the is no such thing as xfs "partition"

[18:39:53]

perilousapricot:

damn

[18:39:54]

BenB:

perilousapricot: which one? cfdisk? just use linux = 83. that's the standard for any linux FS.

[18:40:01]

mchou:

there*

[18:40:29]

perilousapricot:

actually, this drive was DOA, one of the components on the PCB came chipped off

[18:40:38]

BenB:

lol

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mchou:

perilousapricot: lol. they did you a favor :)

[18:40:48]

CCFL_Man:

BenB: we have dvb-s free, such as DW-TV, and dvb-s with conditional access such as scientific atlanta's powervu, wegner's compel, and tandberg's as well, plus the proprietary digicipher II standard

[18:40:51]

** BenB makes a point of not buying seagate. **

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RealKillaz_:

bah this is so shitty

[18:41:02]

RealKillaz_:

BAH BAH BAH

[18:41:06]

mchou:

perilousapricot: you get it from new egg?

[18:41:35]

CCFL_Man:

i have a few commercial digicipher II receivers with transport stream output

[18:41:37]

BenB:

CCFL_Man: but the usual, main, interesting stations, can you recieve those?

[18:41:51]

perilousapricot:

mchou ebay

[18:41:55]

mchou:

lol

[18:42:00]

mchou:

fleabay??

[18:42:00]

RealKillaz_:

damn.... I love new gadgets, but this is SOOO shit. Why the helll won't they make things just work the right way.... T#^%%#^ bastard

[18:42:08]

mchou:

you've gotta be kidding me

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perilousapricot:

mchou: yeeeaaahhhhhh

[18:42:26]

BenB:

RealKillaz_: 1) because it's hard 2) because they want $$$, 3) because we want cheap

[18:42:26]

RealKillaz_:

I;ve been messing with this crap for a week already

[18:42:37]

CCFL_Man:

BenB: some, most "cable" channels are all encrypted, and other than expensive commercial subscriptions directly to the broadcaster, the only way to get them is through a provider

[18:42:37]

mchou:

RealKillaz_: what are you referring to?

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BenB:

RealKillaz_: but: agrees

[18:43:21]

RealKillaz_:

this shitty upnp thing connecting PS3 to Myth.... srange thing though is that Windows detected it

[18:43:32]

mchou:

RealKillaz_: ahh....

[18:43:34]

RealKillaz_:

so WMP detected the mythtv..

[18:43:47]

BenB:

CCFL_Man: and that provider, are there CAM modules for their encryption standards, so that you can avoid these settop boxen and use a DVB-S PCI card + CI + CAM + smartcard?

[18:43:48]

RealKillaz_:

but PS3 <--> Myth is not working

[18:43:51]

jams:

RealKillaz_- Please watch your language.

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justinh:

RealKillaz_: I said.... upnp != upnp != upnp !!!!!!!!!!!

[18:43:57]

CCFL_Man:

BenB: i have a commercial subscription with the weather channel

[18:44:24]

justinh:

RealKillaz_: it should be NO WONDER that one 'upnp' app works with a myth backend when others don't

[18:44:40]

BenB:

justinh: what is the difference?

[18:44:47]

CCFL_Man:

BenB: not at all, every single conditional access standard in the US requires a specific, provider receiver or box

[18:44:56]

BenB:

CCFL_Man: that's crap.

[18:45:07]

justinh:

the 'u' in 'upnp' stands for 'universal' – and it's right but generally not the way they intend. there's a universe of different takes on the protocol

[18:45:09]

RealKillaz_:

how can I check what versionof mythtv I'm running?

[18:45:23]

CCFL_Man:

BenB: i know, but the commercial receivers have transport stream output

[18:45:26]

justinh:

mythbackend --version

[18:45:29]

justinh:

mythfrontend --version

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BenB:

CCFL_Man: in germany, they officially need a settop as well, but there are CAMs for it, so you can use it in the PC, even though that's inofficial.

[18:45:35]

RealKillaz_:

justinh: who is making the specs of this u of universal

[18:45:51]

justinh:

RealKillaz_: whoever, and software guys just do whatever the f they like

[18:45:58]

justinh:

MS, for example

[18:46:00]

CCFL_Man:

BenB: in the US, dvb-ci is very hated

[18:46:02]

justinh:

Sony, for another

[18:46:06]

BenB:

CCFL_Man: ok, that's nice... so you get the unencrypted MPEG TS how? IP?

[18:46:19]

BenB:

CCFL_Man: and how do you switch channels from the PC? IR?

[18:46:28]

mchou:

BenB: cablecard

[18:46:31]

RealKillaz_:

it's so ridiculous

[18:46:40]

BenB:

CCFL_Man: hated by whom? providers or users?

[18:46:49]

CCFL_Man:

the providers

[18:46:51]

RealKillaz_:

I have version 18722 running

[18:46:56]

RealKillaz_:

is there a newer version

[18:46:58]

BenB:

CCFL_Man: yeah, noted.

[18:47:15]

CCFL_Man:

BenB: commercial receivers are designed for a cable headend setup rather than a set top box

[18:47:15]

BenB:

RealKillaz_: didn't you get it yet? it doesn't work.

[18:47:37]

BenB:

RealKillaz_: you can install linux on PS3, officially, so just install mythbuntu or somesuch.

[18:47:42]

CCFL_Man:

BenB: they tune to one service, which usually only decrypts one channel

[18:48:14]

RealKillaz_:

saidly enough I can not change my PS3 so I need a media-server who is working correct. Or I need to change version of go for another media-server

[18:48:30]

CCFL_Man:

BenB: the transport stream is output via dvb-asi, and some newer models output it via ip multicast

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RealKillaz_:

BenB: lol..... why would I install linux on the PS3? if the software it has is already the way I want it?

[18:49:05]

BenB:

CCFL_Man: unencrypted? that's pretty nice. and tuning? IR? or is there an network API?

[18:49:06]

RealKillaz_:

I mean the OS

[18:49:20]

BenB:

RealKillaz_: obviously, the software you need is *not* there.

[18:49:27]

mchou:

RealKillaz_: cause the PS3 runs linux for dev?

[18:49:53]

BenB:

RealKillaz_: either get another player, like mythfrontend, or another server which is *known* to work with PS3.

[18:49:57]

CCFL_Man:

transport stream is sent to a groomer and multiplexor, "grooming" the video bitrate and remapping pids, even creating a whole new PMT and that is ouput to the modulator

[18:50:07]

BenB:

RealKillaz_: or fix myth server yourself.

[18:50:20]

BenB:

"fix", because the problem can just as well be the PS3.

[18:50:36]

linuxmaniac:

hi there. I have a Hauppauge hvr-1110 and I can get the channel list with "scan" but mythtv scan gets no channels. And importing the channels.conf has no efect too. this is an hybrid card analog and dvb-t. Any hints?

[18:51:01]

RealKillaz_:

I have been using mythtv for a LOOONGG time... with PS3 suddenly it's not working.

[18:51:19]

BenB:

linuxmaniac: I remember that I also had problems importing channels.conf, but don't remember how I fixed it.

[18:51:26]

CCFL_Man:

BenB: it's unencrypted if thats what the receiver is authorized for, they are typically 1RU, tuning is done via the front panel buttons, you set it and forget it

[18:51:34]

perilousapricot:

I wonder if nvidia got around to recompiling their driver for the new Xorg ABI

[18:51:48]

BenB:

CCFL_Man: tuning is *manualÜ??

[18:52:01]

CCFL_Man:

BenB: take for example, in a cable tv headend, these receivers are used to provide the channels

[18:52:36]

CCFL_Man:

BenB: yeah, they are made to sit on one channel and provide that for the groomer and modulator

[18:52:38]

linuxmaniac:

BenB, maybe with some script pointing directly to sql?

[18:52:57]

BenB:

linuxmaniac: possible, but I really don't remember.

[18:53:19]

CCFL_Man:

BenB: they are not a set top box, just a source for one channel

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linuxmaniac:

BenB, thanks anyway

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RealKillaz_:

BenB: I'll try another media-server and if I find it working I will come back and fix this for mythtv.

[18:54:17]

CCFL_Man:

BenB: in the days of olden, the video outputs of these receivers are connected to analog modulators, and each modulator is connected to the cable plant

[18:54:48]

perilousapricot:

mchou, are the defaults for the xfs formatting okay?

[18:54:57]

BenB:

perilousapricot: yes

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mchou:

perilousapricot: read the myth docs on xfs optimization

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CCFL_Man:

BenB: i'm trying to have my channel lineup over multicast ip

[18:58:36]

BenB:

CCFL_Man: don't tell me you have one physical receiver per channel?

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CCFL_Man:

BenB: per channel or multiplex

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BenB:

CCFL_Man: duh – how many do you have? is that just for you personally or for a whole community?

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CCFL_Man:

my own personal system, very nerdy, very excessive, but very cool, i have 6 receivers, 3 are connected to the qam modulators, one is connected to an analog modulator for the time being

[19:01:52]

BenB:

(we have a silly head-station at our roof, which tunes for the whole house, one receiver per channel, 8 or 16 in total. They cost 4000 eur or something. I've been wondering whether one could use mythtv instead and use ethernet cables throughout the house instead of cable TV coax.

[19:02:04]

BenB:

CCFL_Man: heh

[19:02:25]

BenB:

CCFL_Man: indeed, all of that :)

[19:02:39]

mchou:

BenB: umm, why would you want to do that?

[19:03:01]

mchou:

tv sets have good mpeg2 decoders

[19:03:05]

perilousapricot:

benb: this xfs-preallocation option is intriguing, but i'm wondering if pre-allocating 512MB per file would kill the filesystem for things like putting all my MP3s on this drive

[19:03:29]

BenB:

perilousapricot: 512 MB per file? are you nuts?

[19:03:37]

BenB:

perilousapricot: XFS works just fine with the defaults.

[19:03:38]

mchou:

perilousapricot: dude, put mp3 on another partition

[19:03:41]

perilousapricot:

that's what it's suggesting

[19:03:58]

BenB:

perilousapricot: deleting a multi-GB file happens in a fraction of a second.

[19:04:15]

mchou:

you dont want to mix extremely large and very small files on xfs

[19:04:19]

perilousapricot:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/XFS_Filesystem#Avo . . . ragmentation

[19:04:39]

BenB:

perilousapricot: I kind of doubt that XFS allocates 512MB per file or block. more likely KB.

[19:04:42]

perilousapricot:

mchou hmm, I guess I need to figure out what sort of spaces I'm gonna need then

[19:05:08]

mchou:

perilousapricot: not if you use lvm :)

[19:05:17]

CCFL_Man:

BenB: i get DW-TV and distribute it digitally, i get two hdtv feeds, one is the weather channel, one is PBS HD feeds

[19:05:24]

mchou:

perilousapricot: grow when necessary

[19:05:36]

BenB:

CCFL_Man: you like DW-TV? I've never seen it.

[19:05:41]

perilousapricot:

mchou I may be wrong, but I I thought XFS had it's own LVM-esque layer

[19:05:42]

CCFL_Man:

i love it

[19:05:50]

BenB:

CCFL_Man: what about it?

[19:06:10]

mchou:

perilousapricot: it has striping but that's hardly lvm

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CCFL_Man:

here in the US, an "international" channel was new to me back when i first started watching it, it has great journalism, some of the best

[19:07:15]

mchou:

perilousapricot: just put your mp3s on another hard drive

[19:07:30]

perilousapricot:

mchou: I've run out of sata channels

[19:07:34]

BenB:

CCFL_Man: interesting. you find it not biased?

[19:07:46]

mchou:

perilousapricot: nothing wrong with PATA

[19:07:47]

BenB:

(in whatever way)

[19:07:54]

clever:

perilousapricot: make a 50gig partition for music and the rest for video

[19:08:35]

CCFL_Man:

BenB: not really, it's pro germany of course, but also opens you to european and world culture

[19:08:45]

BenB:

CCFL_Man: nod

[19:09:23]

CCFL_Man:

because of it i will be going to germany one day

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BenB:

CCFL_Man: heh! if you do, go to munich – it's the nicest big city I know.

[19:10:38]

BenB:

(in germany)

[19:10:42]

CCFL_Man:

i'll learn the language and live there for a bit, like a feww months or so

[19:10:56]

CCFL_Man:

really? not berlin?

[19:10:57]

BenB:

CCFL_Man: hah, German is very hard to learn.

[19:11:08]

BenB:

CCFL_Man: nah, Berlin is not so nice.

[19:11:24]

CCFL_Man:

it is hard to learn, but i will learn it

[19:11:29]

CCFL_Man:

oh really?

[19:11:34]

BenB:

CCFL_Man: it has museums and stuff, but Munich has more live and is far more in and very positively lively.

[19:11:49]

CCFL_Man:

here i thought it was european culture to a T

[19:11:56]

mchou:

lol

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aBs0lut30:

hey guys, this is way off topic but am wondering if someone can provide some help, running ubuntu 8.10 and the other day updated to 2.6.27–11 from the repo, and now I cannot get the driver to the hdpvr to load... I have recompiled the driver several times but no matter what it complains about the v4l symbols being the wrong version

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BenB:

CCFL_Man: think of Berlin like Washington :)

[19:12:12]

CCFL_Man:

BenB: ahh, that explains it

[19:12:49]

CCFL_Man:

munich i will go

[19:13:01]

thefront is now known as thefRont

[19:13:16]

BenB:

CCFL_Man: allocate at least few days there – many americans make the error if trying to see a whole country in 2 weeks.

[19:13:37]

BenB:

CCFL_Man: and ending up seeing nothing really.

[19:13:41]

CCFL_Man:

a girl who i had an online relationship with went to live in marburg

[19:13:49]

BenB:

ah, nice :)

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BenB:

that's a small town.

[19:13:57]

CCFL_Man:

BenB: oh, they think they can see the whole country in berlin?

[19:14:02]

linagee:

where does vista media center edition get it's program guide data?

[19:14:08]

linagee:

is it possible to snarf this for mythtv?

[19:14:11]

CCFL_Man:

linagee: microsoft

[19:14:20]

mchou:

linagee: yup

[19:14:24]

linagee:

mchou: LOL

[19:14:32]

linagee:

mchou: no need to pay for program guide data anymore?

[19:14:33]

mchou:

linagee: it's been done

[19:14:47]

mchou:

what do you mean "any more"

[19:14:56]

linagee:

mchou: $4/yr or whatnot

[19:14:59]

BenB:

CCFL_Man: no, they just try to travel the whole country in 2 weeks.

[19:15:01]

firsm:

Hi, how do I switch between windowed and fullscreen mode in myth? Sometimes windows open on the wrong monitor here..

[19:15:07]

CCFL_Man:

BenB: ahh

[19:15:12]

mchou:

you could always get programming data free....

[19:15:25]

mchou:

$4/yr?

[19:15:27]

linagee:

mchou: in xmltv format?

[19:15:28]

CCFL_Man:

BenB: i want to enjoy the food, culture, and the pretty women

[19:15:34]

mchou:

that's the SD rate now?

[19:15:42]

linagee:

mchou: something like that

[19:15:46]

gumpert345:

how long does it generally take to switch from one channel to another? does this depend upon the cpu, ram, the dvb-s card?

[19:15:54]

linagee:

mchou: minimal but still an annoyance

[19:15:54]

mchou:

really?? it dropped that low?

[19:16:07]

linagee:

mchou: or is it $7/yr

[19:16:09]

mchou:

I thought it was $20/yr

[19:16:11]

linagee:

mchou: something like that

[19:16:29]

CCFL_Man:

BenB: in america, women are bitches

[19:16:32]

firsm:

gumpert345: I'd say depends on the dvb card, drivers and software (i.e. vdr is faster here)

[19:16:36]

BenB:

CCFL_Man: pretty women? Munich! :)

[19:16:38]

mchou:

CCFL_Man: lol

[19:16:51]

CCFL_Man:

BenB: awesome

[19:17:04]

mchou:

CCFL_Man: grass always looks greener on the other side :)

[19:17:06]

BenB:

CCFL_Man: for enjoy the culture, the best way is to live with a family – as everywhere.

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CCFL_Man:

mchou: i'd hope so :P

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BenB:

CCFL_Man: (a native family) ... take time for leisure, cafe's etc., not stuffing it full with sight-seeing.

[19:17:44]

CCFL_Man:

BenB: the girl i knew did actually

[19:17:53]

CCFL_Man:

yeah

[19:18:04]

BenB:

CCFL_Man: yeah. I think marburg is a university city, so good to get to know life and people.

[19:18:05]

mchou:

CCFL_Man: "women are bitches" is a GROSS exaggeration

[19:18:16]

gumpert345:

firsm any recommendations for dvb-s2 cards?

[19:18:22]

justinh:

heheheh. just the majority

[19:18:29]

linagee:

is there some sort of super bowlish thing today?

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BenB:

gumpert345: TechniSat SkyStar HD(1) = TechnoTrend S2–3200 works for me.

[19:19:00]

CCFL_Man:

i was thinking of making some friends there, getting a job, etc

[19:19:02]

BenB:

linagee: are you kidding? there is super bowl tonight, IIRC.

[19:19:05]

firsm:

gumpert345: no, sorry, I only have dvb-t here.

[19:19:17]

BenB:

CCFL_Man: yes... how long do you want to stay there?

[19:19:19]

CCFL_Man:

BenB: yeah, she did that for her university study

[19:19:21]

linagee:

BenB: :P i was trying to be ignorant of it

[19:19:32]

mchou:

yet another reason not to go out and avoid drunks on the road

[19:19:39]

CCFL_Man:

BenB: not sure, a few months at first

[19:19:45]

[Peter]:

gumpert345: I use the Hauppauge WinTV-Nova-HD-S2. works great with the s2api patch

[19:19:46]

BenB:

CCFL_Man: ah, perfect.

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linagee:

mchou: oh crap. i have to go out tonight to go to work. lol

[19:20:05]

CCFL_Man:

mchou: in america, most women are bitches

[19:20:07]

BenB:

CCFL_Man: student exchange might be a start, or the contacts from your girl

[19:20:07]

linagee:

mchou: good thing this is a sober state on sundays. LOL

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mchou:

CCFL_Man: And most guys are jerks

[19:20:33]

linagee:

mchou: do you want to place bets on whether i will get pulled over on some sort of random sobriety test? lol

[19:21:03]

mchou:

linagee: It's not ssobriety tests I'm worried about

[19:21:03]

BenB:

linagee: make a sticker "I hate super bowl", and they won't fish you out ;-P

[19:21:09]

CCFL_Man:

BenB: well, i was going to figure out something on my own, when the job situation got bad here i was thinking more about it, i got a good job now and really can't take off long periods ofd time

[19:21:11]

linagee:

mchou: true

[19:21:18]

CCFL_Man:

mchou: this is very true

[19:21:28]

linagee:

BenB: "what's the super bowl officer?"

[19:21:29]

BenB:

CCFL_Man: job situation is not the best in germany either

[19:21:40]

mchou:

CCFL_Man: apparently you missed the irony

[19:21:43]

CCFL_Man:

BenB: not now, no, a year ago it was ok

[19:21:45]

BenB:

CCFL_Man: what's your profession?

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[Peter]:

BenB: the job situation seems to suck pretty much everywhere though :)

[19:22:47]

CCFL_Man:

BenB: i'm a slot machine technician, but my hobby involves satellite TVRO, vintage american electronics, networking, etc

[19:23:14]

BenB:

[Peter]: right

[19:23:17]

CCFL_Man:

mchou: it's hard for nice guys and nice girls to meet

[19:23:45]

mchou:

CCFL_Man: you've been hanging out in the wrong places (like irc)

[19:23:49]

BenB:

CCFL_Man: slot machine technician... heh... we have a casino in Wiesbaden, but there are not many throughout Germany.

[19:23:51]

justinh:

CCFL_Man: what mchou said

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[19:24:12]

firsm:

Can you even switch to windowed mode on the fly in myth?

[19:24:18]

CCFL_Man:

BenB: in america, casinos are very populat

[19:24:21]

justinh:

though I met my wife in a place I'd never have expected to meet anybody of wifey material. heh

[19:24:25]

CCFL_Man:

mchou: i agree

[19:24:26]

justinh:

firsm: nope

[19:24:28]

perilousapricot:

BenB, you're from wiesbaden?

[19:24:30]

BenB:

CCFL_Man: wiesbaden is a very nice city, too. I grew up there. It's rated second (in popularity and prices) in Germany, after munich.

[19:24:34]

BenB:

perilousapricot: yes, I am

[19:24:39]

perilousapricot:

I love it there

[19:24:45]

perilousapricot:

I have friends that live over in taunusstein

[19:24:50]

firsm:

justinh: uh alright, thanks, than myth is a no go for me.

[19:24:55]

BenB:

perilousapricot: heh, thanks! :) wow, small world.

[19:24:57]

perilousapricot:

everytime I go to germany, I go that way

[19:24:59]

justinh:

firsm: it's not a desktop app

[19:25:05]

perilousapricot:

and aschaffenberg

[19:25:10]

perilousapricot:

yeah, tiny world

[19:25:18]

CCFL_Man:

justinh: in my area in america, it's very hard to meet good people

[19:25:27]

mchou:

firsm: you can run myth in windowed mode

[19:25:33]

perilousapricot:

CCFL_Man, there's nuggets of good people everywhere, you just have to find them

[19:25:39]

BenB:

firsm: you can play the recordings with mplayer just fine. the mythfrontend app is made for TVs, though

[19:25:45]

CCFL_Man:

perilousapricot: very true

[19:25:56]

mchou:

perilousapricot: unless CCFL_Man lives in Texas :)

[19:25:57]

justinh:

I think it's safe to say that good people are hard to find anywhere

[19:26:05]

perilousapricot:

mchou, oh, that's true

[19:26:06]

BenB:

CCFL_Man: what perilousapricot said

[19:26:08]

firsm:

I only need to switch to windowed mode if stupid twinview places new windows on the wrong monitor under mythtv

[19:26:16]

CCFL_Man:

haw, texas

[19:26:27]

mchou:

perilousapricot: paradoxically, TX has the best looking chicks besides NYC

[19:26:38]

justinh:

best looking != good people

[19:26:47]

BenB:

perilousapricot, CCFL_Man: although there *is* something of a culture and general attitude. in germany, you generally have more robust, less selfish friendships.

[19:26:53]

justinh:

more likely to be snakes IME

[19:26:58]

perilousapricot:

mchou, I'm going to rio the first week of march

[19:27:06]

CCFL_Man:

BenB: thats what i'm looking for

[19:27:07]

perilousapricot:

_that's_ the most attractive girls

[19:27:09]

perilousapricot:

they are crazy though

[19:27:11]

mchou:

perilousapricot: that's NATY

[19:27:16]

mchou:

NASTY*

[19:27:28]

perilousapricot:

mchou, hey now, watch it. rio's pretty sweet

[19:27:28]

** BenB lives in St. Tropez *grin* **

[19:27:37]

mchou:

brasil is nas-T

[19:27:59]

perilousapricot:

mchou, I'm brazilian, watch it :)

[19:28:12]

mchou:

perilousapricot: farvelas

[19:28:14]

CCFL_Man:

there is a mexican/native american girl in tx with a big butt that i wish i could get with

[19:28:29]

CCFL_Man:

i like the big butts and skinny weists

[19:28:34]

mchou:

lol

[19:28:34]

BenB:

firsm: I think you need a better window manager, then.

[19:28:41]

perilousapricot:

mchou, favelas are dirty, yeah, but it's just delicious

[19:28:44]

perilousapricot:

there

[19:28:50]

firsm:

BenB: yeah that's unfortunately true

[19:29:00]

mchou:

perilousapricot: stealing electricity

[19:29:10]

BenB:

firsm: either one that places windows correctly, or a little virtual screen applet that allows you to drag windows around in the iconic view – KDE3 can do that.

[19:29:19]

mchou:

perilousapricot: getting electrocuted

[19:29:30]

perilousapricot:

mchou, you have a skewed view of brazil

[19:29:40]

mchou:

perilousapricot: although if you're a guy in Brasil you have it made

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firsm:

BenB: mmh, that might work, I'm on kde4 right now, thans

[19:30:08]

BenB:

CCFL_Man: you like big butts? not sure whether you're right in Europe, then. people here are fairly slim, for US measures.

[19:30:25]

CCFL_Man:

BenB: usually, yeah

[19:30:29]

BenB:

CCFL_Man: many girls here weight barely over 50 kg.

[19:30:36]

mchou:

perilousapricot: the disporportion of frmales to males in Brazil is astounding

[19:30:49]

mchou:

lol

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CCFL_Man:

BenB: better diet, less laziness

[19:31:01]

perilousapricot:

mchou, there's a paradoxically retardedly high number of gay men in brazil which helps skew things too

[19:31:20]

mchou:

perilousapricot: true that

[19:31:22]

BenB:

CCFL_Man: I don't think it's the diet, it's the food in general. less corn-sirup etc.

[19:31:23]

perilousapricot:

CCFL_Man, BenB you can have a big butt without being fat. there's a huge (heh) difference

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mchou:

perilousapricot: but that's just better for you if you're straight :)

[19:31:51]

perilousapricot:

no doubt

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mchou:

perilousapricot: less competition

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perilousapricot:

mchou, I'm fair skinned and live in america

[19:32:20]

perilousapricot:

going to brazil is like shooting fish in a barrel

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d0netsFN:

hey if i have my backend running in one room

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mchou:

perilousapricot: exactly

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d0netsFN:

how do i set up the mythtv client on my laptop to watch stuff wirelessly

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CCFL_Man:

BenB: ahh

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perilousapricot:

d00gster, very carefully

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perilousapricot:

...

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perilousapricot:

d0netsFN, very carefully

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mchou:

perilousapricot: brasilian chicks are hounding me

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justinh:

d0netsFN: you get your wireless working, and pray it's robust enough to stream video consistently

[19:33:53]

justinh:

you also need to configure the backend to run on the backend's LAN IP address, and set up mysql to allow connections from the LAN not just the localhost address

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perilousapricot:

d0netsFN, yeah, I tried to stream over 802.11b and it was a slideshow

[19:34:12]

d0netsFN:

i mean i have g

[19:34:16]

d0netsFN:

but how do i setup the frontend

[19:34:37]

d0netsFN:

i entered the database name, login, and password, i changed "localhost" to 192.168.1.46 (the ip of my desktop/server)

[19:34:50]

d0netsFN:

but i get "cant login to database?"

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justinh:

d0netsFN: better read the mythtv docs then eh

[19:35:47]

justinh:

badoom-tish. not that old one again!

[19:35:50]

Gumby:

d0netsFN: you need to edit a file, its in the docs as justinh stated

[19:36:54]

justinh:

d0netsFN: have you ever read: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2 ? now is a good time

[19:37:12]

justinh:

especially the paragraph entitled "Modifying access to the MySQL database for multiple systems "

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perilousapricot:

d0netsFN, you probably don't have your mysql server configured to allow access to the database

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gumpert345:

[Peter] I zap a lot how long does it take until the channel is changed on your htpc?

[19:39:41]

[Peter]:

gumpert345: around 5s or so, but I guess there is some buffering involved

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gumpert345:

oh 5s is pretty long

[19:40:43]

justinh:

gumpert345: that's nothing

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BenB:

justinh: for zapping, that's very long.

[19:41:27]

justinh:

BenB: so don't zap

[19:41:44]

justinh:

mindless channel surfing. blech

[19:41:48]

BenB:

gumpert345: I claim that zapping is the wrong use of TV, a time-waster, and mythtv will heal you from it, which is maybe the best thing that mythtv does.

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[Peter]:

isn't that why we have EPGs? :)

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justinh:

no that's why we have DVRs

[19:43:06]

[Peter]:

that too

[19:43:06]

mag0o:

with web interfaces

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gumpert345:

[19:43:22]

mchou:

I just dont grok why ppl feel the need to zap the tv thru the dvr

[19:43:34]

gumpert345:

too much commercials

[19:43:39]

mchou:

the tv has a frigging tuner!

[19:44:01]

[Peter]:

mchou: many people use mythtv as the tuner

[19:44:10]

BenB:

gumpert345: yeah, that too: with recordings, you can just skip over the commericals.

[19:44:20]

[Peter]:

mchou: my projector sure doesn't have a DVB-S2 tuner

[19:44:24]

BenB:

gumpert345: apart from those exploding things in RTL2 in the middle of the show.

[19:44:28]

justinh:

if we ever watch live – and then it's only cos the frontend isn't booted up & we can't wait 40 secs.. flip over to the cable box, which is generally always showing Dave which re-runs Top Gear a _lot_

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gumpert345:

BenB never saw one of those yet

[19:45:05]

mchou:

[Peter]: if you're zapping channels with your projector you have other "issues"

[19:45:22]

BenB:

[Peter]: my TV has DVB-T built-in, but i never connected an antenna to it, I use DVB-S with mythtv and co only

[19:45:30]

[Peter]:

mchou: I didn't say I was zapping :)

[19:45:53]

mchou:

[Peter]: no you didnt. But you understand my point

[19:46:08]

gumpert345:

what about a second tv card? will that get me faster zapping?

[19:46:13]

BenB:

gumpert345: no

[19:46:33]

[Peter]:

mchou: but still, the point was that many people don't have a dedicated tuner in combination with mythtv.

[19:47:17]

mag0o:

my wife still prefers live tv (via the tv tuner) and mainly uses myth for shows she misses

[19:47:33]

mchou:

mag0o: your wife has brains

[19:47:37]

mag0o:

:)

[19:47:49]

mchou:

mag0o: not like some other ppl here.....

[19:47:52]

[Peter]:

mchou: I don't feel like running coax cable in the walls just to be able to have a tuner box in the living room when there is CAT-6 in every room in the house

[19:48:04]

gumpert345:

1s probably wont be able with mythtv, no matter what cpu or cards I use, right?

[19:48:09]

BenB:

I'm so happy I don't have to sit in front of the TV at a certain time anymore, and can watch things when I feel like watching just that. often, it's 2–3 episodes of a series in a row.

[19:48:15]

justinh:

gumpert345: stop zapping. sheesh. to quote Larry Sanders.. NO FLIPPING!

[19:48:23]

BenB:

[Peter]: heh! same here.

[19:48:26]

BenB:

(cat5)

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mag0o:

yeah BenB, we caught up on heroes the other night, and i told her we should just wait the whole season, then watch it all in one night – makes it easier to follow

[19:48:54]

gumpert345:

who is Larry Sanders?

[19:49:03]

mchou:

If you have structured wiring like cat 5/6, coax is no big deal

[19:49:11]

BenB:

mag0o: hardcore session :)

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mchou:

mag0o: pls. use some brains. that's what netflix is for :)

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Dubstar_04:

is anyone is the uk and using freesat?

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[Peter]:

mchou: not to mention the fact that I'd need to pay for having multiple cards

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mchou:

mag0o: probably better quality too

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BenB:

gumpert345: moderator of one of the most popular late night shows in the US. think Harald Schmidt.

[19:50:54]

mag0o:

ota hd :)

[19:51:24]

mag0o:

so its cheaper than netflix

[19:51:45]

mchou:

there is no way a myth box is cheaper than netflix

[19:51:55]

mag0o:

we canceled netflix b/c we never got around to watching what they'd send, the movies would just sit on the counter for months

[19:53:25]

clever:

when we rent movies here i sometimes rip the dvd to watch the special features later on

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jamiem:

D:

[19:53:41]

clever:

and i usualy delete the whole thing within days because i was so low on space

[19:53:45]

mchou:

as much as I like myth as pvr, netflix does have its advantages over myth

[19:53:51]

clever:

but now i have 850gig free! :)

[19:54:26]

BenB:

clever: until the seagate firmware bug hits you :)

[19:54:36]

clever:

BenB: 1 word, WD!

[19:54:39]

BenB:

then you have minus 150 GB free :)

[19:54:43]

mchou:

like for example wathing "the Sopranos"

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mchou:

watching*

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clever:

BenB: its only 81gig used

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BenB:

clever: 3 words: seagate owns WD :)

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clever:

BenB: the cheap bastards use 1000 instead of 1024

[19:55:12]

BenB:

(IIRC)

[19:55:18]

clever:

so you loose a chunk of your drive space there

[19:55:44]

laga:

no wai

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mchou:

seagate hardly "own" themselves right now, never mind WD

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[Peter]:

I bought 5 samsung 500GB disks about a year ago, none of them has failed yet. must be some kind of record :)

[19:56:16]

mchou:

hahah

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BenB:

[Peter]: probably too old for the bug

[19:56:41]

BenB:

corrections: I must have misremembered that seagate owns WD. I retract.

[19:57:02]

mchou:

segate owns maxtor

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mchou:

or what used to be maxtor

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clever:

found a 20gig backup on a ghost drive dad will be formating

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mchou:

maybe maxtor wrote seagate firmware

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clever:

and i can easily save it:D

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gumpert345:

BenB thanks

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mchou:

if that's the case, Maxtor "owns" Seagate :)

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RealKillaz_:

BenB: where can I join the development team?

[19:59:30]

BenB:

RealKillaz_: by sending patches to the mythtv mailing list

[19:59:40]

RealKillaz_:

BenB: cause it seems that MythTv has a problem connecting to PS3...

[19:59:44]

laga:

RealKillaz_: even better, post them to trac (when they're ready)

[20:00:01]

mchou:

RealKillaz_: dude, that's a PS3 issue

[20:00:09]

RealKillaz_:

I tried 3 media-server already and they can all 3 connect to PS3

[20:00:18]

mchou:

RealKillaz_: read all about it

[20:00:26]

RealKillaz_:

or PS3 can connect to it

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RealKillaz_:

mchou: ??? did you read what I said above?

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[Peter]:

RealKillaz_: I'd just get over using the PS3 as anything else than a bluray player :)

[20:01:01]

RealKillaz_:

3 media-servers can connect to PS3

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BenB:

RealKillaz_: good to know. so, diagnose the problem, and fix it... wireshark may help, then reading the source.

[20:01:10]

justinh:

other way around, shirley

[20:01:24]

RealKillaz_:

tversity, twonky and mediatomb

[20:01:29]

mchou:

lol

[20:01:52]

mchou:

those are reference implementations of UPnP

[20:02:03]

mchou:

....Not!

[20:02:04]

RealKillaz_:

BenB: ok will do that. cause I love mythtv

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BenB:

RealKillaz_: great, thanks

[20:02:57]

laga:

justinh: don't call me surely

[20:03:06]

mchou:

twonky!

[20:03:10]

mchou:

apt name

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BenB:

sssuuuurrr.... lolcats!

[20:03:33]

RealKillaz_:

mchou: uhmmm teh idea is to make mythtv to work with PS3 right? Or to hang on to a theoritical discussion? who has the correct implementations of the upnp?

[20:04:03]

mchou:

no, you put the cart befor the horse

[20:04:21]

** BenB wonders if mchou ever does anything but trolling **

[20:04:38]

laga:

BenB: he's been on my ignore list for ages :)

[20:04:41]

iamlindoro:

BenB, Nope

[20:04:43]

mchou:

just because myth is open source does not mean you "fix" it there

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xim010:

Anyone have comments on http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hvr1800.html ;?

[20:05:06]

BenB:

laga: I have very few people on ignore, but he got on it the first day :)

[20:05:09]

laga:

heh

[20:05:33]

Dubstar_04:

xim010: likely to be an issue with drivers

[20:05:42]

xim010:

Really?

[20:05:47]

xim010:

Why is that?

[20:06:09]

iamlindoro:

There are HVR-1800 linux drivers, and they are fine

[20:06:24]

iamlindoro:

however, because of some incompatibility in myth, only the digital side will work w/ Myth ATM

[20:06:32]

iamlindoro:

it's being looked at

[20:06:45]

xim010:

I C

[20:06:56]

xim010:

Is there a better more compatible card?

[20:07:21]

RealKillaz_:

mchou: so what's the your solution?

[20:07:27]

Dubstar_04:

xim010:http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-1800

[20:08:15]

iamlindoro:

xim010, For exact same functionality the only real option is the HVR-1600 (which had driver issues in the past but are mostly resolved now).. the "best" solution IMO at the moment is to get a second-hand PVR-150 for analog and any one of many digital cards for the digital side

[20:08:42]

xim010:

OK

[20:08:47]

iamlindoro:

xim010, But don't let our resident troll (who will pipe up any moment) dissuade you, the HVR-1600 can work just fine

[20:08:48]

Dubstar_04:

Does anyone use UK freesat?

[20:08:59]

xim010:

So you think the driver issues will be resolved in the relative near future

[20:09:12]

iamlindoro:

xim010, For the 1800? I'm hoping so, the person looking at it is very competent

[20:09:14]

mchou:

bullshit. hvr-1600 has HW problems

[20:09:25]

iamlindoro:

Ah, and there he is, like clockwork

[20:09:25]

mchou:

they will never be resolved thru SW

[20:09:42]

xim010:

so mchou how about the 1800

[20:09:44]

iamlindoro:

mchou, watch your language, too

[20:09:47]

mchou:

iamlindoro: considering you're a hauppaugue shill

[20:10:08]

** iamlindoro sighs **

[20:10:08]

RealKillaz_:

lol this mchou guys is serious?!?!

[20:10:14]

mchou:

xim010: I have no idea re 1800. dont have one

[20:10:31]

iamlindoro:

RealKillaz_, Hard to tell, he's just a very argumentative/rude/contemptuous type

[20:10:34]

mchou:

RealKillaz_: serious as a heart attack

[20:10:34]

xim010:

so what do you run ... since you obviously have a strong opinion

[20:10:53]

RealKillaz_:

LOL.... so what about giving me an answer?

[20:11:05]

mchou:

I run pinnacle 800i, HDHR, and Dvico

[20:11:25]

Dubstar_04:

pinnacle are rubbish!!

[20:11:34]

xim010:

I am assuming this is in a linux environment.

[20:11:35]

mchou:

I recommend all of them way b4 touching pvr-1600

[20:11:46]

mchou:

xim010: yup

[20:11:46]

xim010:

Ah so we have opinions in both directions

[20:11:58]

BenB:

heh, hauppauge (winttv) just bought pinnacle as "premium" brand

[20:12:06]

Dubstar_04:

stick with popular hauppauge cards

[20:12:07]

RealKillaz_:

lol

[20:12:30]

xim010:

OK next: let's flip the RPM/DEB coin and see what lands?

[20:12:38]

BenB:

lol

[20:12:47]

RealKillaz_:

heh

[20:12:49]

mchou:

xim010: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Pinnacle_PCTV_HD_Card_(800i)

[20:12:55]

iamlindoro:

xim010, Yes. In the end, do what you think seems right. I'm not willing to behave like him to prove a point, and anyone who is swayed by caterwauling is beyond help anyway :)

[20:13:03]

BenB:

xim010: portage, moron! :)

[20:13:09]

mchou:

xim010: "The XC5000 tuner on this card is able to pick up considerably more over-the-air digital channels than most other cards."

[20:13:37]

mchou:

Dubstar_04: tell me why you think pinnacle is rubbish

[20:13:43]

iamlindoro:

Ah, a wiki, reliable source

[20:13:46]

directhex:

RealKillaz_, mchou we keep around as a guard dog to scare off newbies. after a while you'll just /ignore him

[20:14:01]

directhex:

RealKillaz_, i think i did it some time around when he declared milk to be an evil western plot

[20:14:03]

RealKillaz_:

directhex: :-D

[20:14:15]

RealKillaz_:

LOL

[20:14:20]

xim010:

OK well the 1800 seems to be donig fine on DTV but as previously stated it doesn't seem to see either analog or FM stations.

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BenB:

RealKillaz_: I'd suggest that you stop arguing with mchou, which leads nowhere, and start analysing the problem with wireshark, to see what mythtv doesn't do what the other upnp servers do.

[20:14:46]

xim010:

BenB, "Portage, moron"?

[20:14:51]

BenB:

xim010: I was kidding

[20:15:05]

BenB:

xim010: rpm, deb, portage

[20:15:09]

xim010:

OK

[20:15:50]

xim010:

I fugured if anyone out there had any wisdom to share on the 1800 you guys would be the group that would be in the know.

[20:15:57]

mchou:

Dubstar_04: considering you cant back up your claims, you've got zip credibility

[20:16:19]

xim010:

he is an hornery cuss ain't he?

[20:16:28]

iamlindoro:

yep

[20:16:53]

iamlindoro:

If there was any doubt about the kind of behavior you can get away with in here and still be just short of permanent banning, look to him

[20:17:08]

xim010:

I C

[20:17:14]

mchou:

xim010: hornery or not, I speak with real experience. It's clear iamlindoro doesnt even own the hvr-1600.

[20:17:45]

xim010:

Well I am new to all of this and so far the 1800 has done 'OK' for now

[20:17:54]

Dubstar_04:

Has anyone had problems with 0.21 and dvd playback?

[20:18:01]

mchou:

xim010: I eat my own dogfood, unlike some other folks here who rely on hearsay

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justinh:

has anybody ever.. lol. oh yeah

[20:18:27]

xim010:

I was looking for a reliable card to put in to each of my kids compuers instead of buying a new TV (lightening strike got theirs) and I bought the 1800 hoping for the best

[20:18:30]

iamlindoro:

Dubstar_04, There were some early issues with .21, but it was fixed in early fixes-- so long as your fixes is up to date you should ahve the patches for those issues

[20:18:34]

BenB:

Dubstar_04: dvd playback never worked for me. next question.

[20:18:39]

justinh:

Dubstar_04: better to lip disc first

[20:18:55]

mag0o:

ive got a pinnacle 800e (usb stick) and its getting ota channels just fine w/ a $25 rca ant525 antenna

[20:18:57]

justinh:

iamlindoro: I really should oen some tickets about discs I can't play well then

[20:19:01]

justinh:

*open

[20:19:16]

iamlindoro:

justinh, Will be interesting to see how the dvdnav resync helps

[20:19:40]

justinh:

but I'd like mythtv 0.22 to come out this year, so I'm just hoping the new libdvdnav resync sorts em out

[20:20:07]

BenB:

justinh: "this year" is a fairly wide margin

[20:20:17]

justinh:

so?

[20:20:19]

hachi:

moo

[20:20:47]

Dubstar_04:

I was one click away from over writing my daily mythbox with a trunkbuild last night!!

[20:21:14]

Dubstar_04:

if it hadn't of worked i would of been divorsed!!

[20:21:34]

BenB:

no comment on that :)

[20:22:03]

Dubstar_04:

are you saying i should of done it!

[20:22:25]

BenB:

Dubstar_04: no, I said "no comment" .)

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justinh:

iamlindoro: actually saying that, I've not checked dvd playback at all since I upped the reading speed. maybe that fixes it

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BenB:

lol

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Dubstar_04:

ha ha

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justinh:

saw a report the default is likely too slow for reliable playback

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Dubstar_04:

my vfd says some like 'still frame' when i try and play back a dvd and frontend crashed

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iamlindoro:

justinh, Disk media simultaneously drives me crazy and makes me happy-- I hate swapping media out, so I rip everything, but I will resist like crazy DRM'ed downloadable media

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iamlindoro:

justinh, How's the MythUI button stuff coming?

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BenB:

iamlindoro: same here. that's why I like TV.

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justinh:

iamlindoro: erm.... hmmm. uhhhhhh

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iamlindoro:

BenB, TV's good, but for my really beloved shows/movies I like having the higher-bitrate physical media

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justinh:

iamlindoro: I was up til 6 this morning, and been busy with housework/dog all day

[20:25:02]

BenB:

iamlindoro: only think I dislike about hard disks is that there are very few cases with as many 3,5" bays as I need. (12+)

[20:25:18]

justinh:

so now I'm just lazily copying flac files to my new storage

[20:25:21]

iamlindoro:

BenB, I have a great lian Li (V2000) you would probably like

[20:25:34]

iamlindoro:

justinh, Naw, no pressure, just wondered if anything was new and exciting

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BenB:

iamlindoro: I'll check it out

[20:25:43]

BenB:

iamlindoro: I have the V1200 (IIRC), and I love it.

[20:25:43]

Dubstar_04:

i like the look of this: http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/settings_backup_mythui.png

[20:25:53]

BenB:

as desktop

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justinh:

iamlindoro: the WOOT will not go unnoticed when I make it do my bidding, or even half of it :D

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iamlindoro:

BenB, 12 x 3.5 and 7 x 5.35 (which could be used with converters for oodles more 3.5s)

[20:26:19]

iamlindoro:

er 5.25

[20:26:27]

iamlindoro:

justdave, hahahaha

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iamlindoro:

justinh, ^^^

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BenB:

Lian Li PC-V1000A Plus II

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justinh:

Dubstar_04: so have you tried increasing the dvd reading speed?

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iamlindoro:

BenB, I also really like it (It's my main backend case) because it has the 12 3.5 slots in a dedicated airflow channel, very very good cooling

[20:27:56]

justinh:

I had mine set on 2x, which may not have been enough

[20:28:03]

Dubstar_04:

justin: I did do a while back. i will have another go later when the mrs has watched timteam!!

[20:28:10]

justinh:

now on 8x which is still quiet

[20:28:18]

justinh:

people still watch time team? ugh

[20:28:32]

Dubstar_04:

whoa, i don't!!

[20:28:42]

Dubstar_04:

just the mrs!!

[20:28:47]

justinh:

look! we dug up a field, and found an old bit of china. from that we can extrapolate...

[20:29:16]

Dubstar_04:

i like the guy in denim hot pants!!

[20:29:34]

iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A_, Did you catch paulh's note to you earlier?

[20:29:38]

justinh:

no comment

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BenB:

iamlindoro: i want one!

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iamlindoro:

BenB, Heh, it was a tiny bit expensive, but no more than a nice HTPC case and well worth it over the past 6 months of so

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BenB:

iamlindoro: it looks just like my V1000A plus that I love as desktop tower, best case I ever had, period.

[20:30:27]

BenB:

iamlindoro: and 12 drive bays, easily swappable.

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BenB:

iamlindoro: unfortunately, I can't see any seller here in europe

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BenB:

iamlindoro: is this very new or older?

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BenB:

iamlindoro: how much did you pay, when, where?

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justinh:

I wish we had PC gear sellers over here where you could actually SEE the damn stuff in person BEFORE paying for it

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iamlindoro:

BenB, Bought three of them over the past year-- not sure if it's new, but probably not their biggest seller

[20:31:45]

iamlindoro:

(as who wants such a beast in most cases)

[20:31:56]

iamlindoro:

I seem to recall paying about $200 US

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justinh:

microdirect & scan are both like "well, you can have a look at it.. after you buy it, and if you don't like it, you pay a restocking fee because you opened the box"

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BenB:

iamlindoro: you have 3 file servers with 12 disks each at home?

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BenB:

iamlindoro: 200 is fair.

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iamlindoro:

BenB, I made the first two purchases for work, the third for home was based on good experience with them

[20:32:40]

BenB:

iamlindoro: eps. given that lian li is really quality stuff.

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justinh:

and the only ones they ever have in the showroom are those gash blinged-up monstrosities

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Dubstar_04:

justin: i hiked it upto 10 and it seems to be working fine!!

[20:32:46]

Dubstar_04:

Thanks

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justinh:

tada!

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iamlindoro:

BenB, Yeah, it's nice to have a case that looks metal which is *actual* metal :)

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Dubstar_04:

I have been really disappointed with it and it was my fault all along. shame on me!

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BenB:

justinh: I find the pictures and reviews for cases on the web rather informing. and for the rest (apart from TFT), the looks don't matter.

[20:33:55]

justinh:

TWO HUNDRED FRICKIN QUIDS FOR A CASE!?!?!?!?!

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BenB:

iamlindoro: indeed!

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BenB:

justinh: *they* are worth it.

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justinh:

£325 quids!!!! FFS

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justinh:

I could have my own fabbed up for that

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iamlindoro:

justinh, It's slim pickings when you want > 15 brive bays

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iamlindoro:

drive

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justinh:

I know, I've priced it up

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BenB:

justinh: $200 ~= 120 pounds, no?

[20:35:15]

justinh:

BenB: er no

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justinh:

iamlindoro: you have way too much money dude :)

[20:36:05]

justinh:

wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy too much

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Dubstar_04:

What so you think of these: http://www.games-fusion.net/images/reviews/LC16M/lc16m(1).jpg?

[20:36:20]

justinh:

forget silverstone ever happened

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iamlindoro:

justinh, Well, I don't buy that often, but when I do I'd like to get my money's worth (And single helps too)

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BenB:

justinh: I have a bunch of 17 Eur cases here. I don't use them anymore, because I keep cutting myself. that's not worth it, IMHO. a good case is one of the longest living parts of a computer that's constantly updated.

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Dubstar_04:

what?

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BenB:

Dubstar_04: I have exactly that

[20:37:02]

BenB:

Dubstar_04: I regretted it.

[20:37:03]

Dubstar_04:

so do i

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justinh:

silverstone. make sucky fugly cases with awful airflow

[20:37:07]

Dubstar_04:

why?

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BenB:

Dubstar_04: they also cost 200 eur, and are *not* worth it.

[20:37:28]

Dubstar_04:

I think mine is really good!

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justinh:

I have an LC02, so at least it's not as ugly as the LC16

[20:37:45]

Dubstar_04:

Bast**ds!!

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justinh:

but airflow is atrocious

[20:38:02]

justinh:

they're not well made enough to justify the money they cost

[20:38:05]

justinh:

not by a very long way

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BenB:

Dubstar_04: hard to install components, need to disassemble half of the thing to change parts. sharp edges, kept cutting myself. manual (for imon connection) with errors, no wonder nothing worked at first.

[20:38:25]

justinh:

and they've got their sucky logo screenprinted on it!

[20:38:45]

justinh:

look at where the control knob is too.. I mean WTF?!

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Dubstar_04:

The only thing i have problems with was getting the drive to open from the front button

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BenB:

Dubstar_04: in contrast, lian li also costed 200 eur (admitedly without display), and just screams "quality" in every way: intelligent design, good materials, best manufasturing I've seen in a looong time,

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laga:

intelligent design? i wouldn't buy that

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justinh:

they might aswell just go the whole hog & add colour coded audio sockets & USB on the front too

[20:39:59]

justinh:

fuglee IHO

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justinh:

*IMHO

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BenB:

laga: not funny. (if you refer to ID = creator)

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Dubstar_04:

ooh handbags

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laga:

BenB: SCNR

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Dubstar_04:

is anyone in the uk?

[20:40:30]

** justinh puts his hand in the air **

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iamlindoro:

Probably many millions of people

[20:40:37]

iamlindoro:

;)

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Dubstar_04:

what do you know about freesat?

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Dubstar_04:

with myth obviously?

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justinh:

Dubstar_04: ok as HTPC cases go, it's not as ugly as models which are out there..

[20:41:06]

BenB:

Dubstar_04: I had the same problem with the CD button. you just need to place the cd drive it closer to the wall, iirc.

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justinh:

Dubstar_04: just works (tm)

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BenB:

yes, it looks fairly ok.

[20:41:38]

Dubstar_04:

do you get all channels and all programs?

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justinh:

Dubstar_04: just works, and you can't get all the channels freeview has. yet

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Dubstar_04:

ahh

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justinh:

but some of those channels aren't time-allocated like they are on freeview

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justinh:

so more are 24/7

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Dubstar_04:

I will leave it for now then

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BassKozz:

I've got a catch 22 on .22, if "Extra audio buffering" is enabled my video jitters/stutters, if it's disabled my audio jitters/stutters, any ideas?

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justinh:

I think channel five, five US & fiver have still to go free to air

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justinh:

Dubstar_04: put it this way I don't think there's much you'd miss

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BenB:

iamlindoro: FYI, I am using a Chieftec CA-01 for the file server. it has 8 drive bays, which was about the most I could fine. it's nice – withstood 40°C and more in the summer with 10 disks.

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justinh:

not since channel 4 went FTA

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BenB:

iamlindoro: but thanks for the tip – if I can get a hold of a new V2000, I'll probably buy one or two.

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Dubstar_04:

I wanted the vigin broadband guys to comeback and refit my sat cable they cut off so they could use the hole into my living room!!

[20:43:26]

justinh:

that's FTA as in 'free to air' not "hey I'm getting 'FTA' (stealing pay tv) WINK"

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iamlindoro:

BenB, Nice! Well I think you'd like it, let me know if you do-- I've been particularly happy that in a closet (literal closet) with no cooling to speak of it's always cool to the touch when I open the door

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justinh:

I wish I'd never taken my dish down now

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Dubstar_04:

ive got the dish but the cowboys cut the cable off it without asking. yeehaa!

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BenB:

iamlindoro: you mean closet = toilet or storage room?

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justinh:

before we got double glazing we could hear the wind howling through it, so it had to go

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iamlindoro:

BenB, the latter

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justinh:

Dubstar_04: easy to fix

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justinh:

put F connectors on both ends, use an F-back-to-back coupler

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justinh:

cover with self amalgamating tape. done :)

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BenB:

iamlindoro: ah :). same here, I allocated a wall wandrobe for my machines :)

[20:45:38]

Dubstar_04:

justin: this is like bluepeter for grown ups!!

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BenB:

iamlindoro: I have a real problem finding somebody selling it.

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justinh:

Dubstar_04: more like watch with mutha

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BenB:

(in germany)

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iamlindoro:

BenB, yeah, that's likely to be the toughest part

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Dubstar_04:

justinh: where do you live then

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iamlindoro:

BenB, I took a bit of work to find anywhere I had heard of even here

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justinh:

Dubstar_04: as near to manchester as makes no odds

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justinh:

it's a happy place, where it never rains and the folks round here are SO friendly I just love living here

[20:47:29]

BenB:

iamlindoro: FYI, I also have the Lian Li V350, which is nice for non-file servers, and stackable.

[20:47:32]

Dubstar_04:

justin: I live near warrington at the moment

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iamlindoro:

BenB, Oh that is nice-- I've always liked cube designs

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BenB:

iamlindoro: yup. look at pics – you can slide out the mainboard without unstacking them.

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justinh:

Dubstar_04: I work near warrington. daresbury industrial park. middle of nowhere. very local

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Dubstar_04:

I live 2 mins from there. stockton heath!!

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iamlindoro:

Not too obscene pricewise either

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justinh:

small world!

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justinh:

sometimes go to Saffys to buy lunch

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BenB:

iamlindoro: in my setup, I have a file server, which also happens to run the mythtv core server in a virtual machine, and the TV cards are banned in a separate box in one of these V350s.

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BenB:

iamlindoro: and the frontend is yet another box, of course.

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BenB:

iamlindoro: (this is because I don't want to take technically hazardous DVB cards anywhere near my precious data.)

[20:50:56]

iamlindoro:

Heh, makes sense

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KungFuJesus:

ahh, so I'm having some trouble with my PCHDTV 5500, and I just figured out it's not a hardware issue

[21:03:09]

KungFuJesus:

the getatsc command is grabbing things over the air

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KungFuJesus:

however mythtv-setup is not finding ANY channel locks and the errors I'm getting in dmesg say something like unsupported modulation (even though I'm doing terrestrial modulation)

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KungFuJesus:

I think I need to drop one of my backends from the database, is there an easy way to do that?

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hachi:

configure for mythtv is taking forever... weird

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hachi:

it actually appears to have blocked

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KungFuJesus:

wow, not sure what I did but the problem resolved itself

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KungFuJesus:

wait, no the problem is still there

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KungFuJesus:

I get signal locks but no tables it seems

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Tom82:

Anyone had any luck running backend/fronted combo on a Compaq Evo D51S (PIV 2.0 / 1GB Ram / Hauppage HVR 1600 / trying to capture OTA HD)?

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mchou:

Tom82: what problems are you encountering?

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Tom82:

Well, I havn't yet installed it, but trying SageTV and GB-PVR all seemed to have problems watching LiveTV (ota HD). CPU usage was @ 100%. I'm downloading MythBuntu right now...

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mchou:

your processor is borderline

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KungFuJesus:

hmmm, I getting "no tables" when I try to scan the transports that actually contain content

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Tom82:

Just curious if anyone has made it work on a PC with the specs I listed...still have another 2 hours before done downloading.

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mchou:

Tom82: you have nvidia card?

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mchou:

Tom: If you have nvidia card and have playback issues in windows you should definitely forget about running it in linux

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Tom82:

mchou: I can use either the onboard VGA or I have a Nvida GeForce 6200 (128 MB) PCI card

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mchou:

Tom82: since generally speaking windows has better HW accel for mpeg....

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mchou:

Tom82: what's the on board video?

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Tom82:

Intel 82845G/GL/GE/PE/GV

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mchou:

Tom82: forget on board video

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mchou:

Tom82: I recommend backend only for that box

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mchou:

as frontend it's underpowered

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mchou:

even w/6200

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BenB:

Tom82: if you get 100% CPU, you are doing something wrong. that's too much even for 5 years old machines with crappy framegrabber TV cards,

[21:22:56]

BenB:

must be some msiconfiguration of mythtv or OS somewhere.

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Tom82:

Well the 100% was when using SageTV or GB-PRV in Windows XP SP3

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BenB:

oh, heh

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Dubstar_04:

Does anyone get problems with lirc slowing down old machines?

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Dubstar_04:

or seeming slow

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justinh:

serial lirc? it's polled, that's why

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Dubstar_04:

no, mceusb

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mchou:

Tom82: Back in the day P4 ~2.8 GHz was barely enough for HD (with xvmc even). You're unlikely to get satifactory playback at 2GHz

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tank-man:

dubstar, perhaps you have multiple instances of irexec running?

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Tom82:

So what would I need for satisfactory playback?

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mchou:

Tom82: depends if you're willing to wait :)

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mchou:

Tom82: or if you're in a hurry

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mchou:

some good stuff coming down the pipe

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Tom82:

I guess it really doesn't mater. I am just trying to avoid going with TiVo (all I want is just a PVR).

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mchou:

Tom82: what other HW you got on hand besides this P4?

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mchou:

and by "PVR" I assume you meant HD, not SD, correct?

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Tom82:

Athalon 1800 and yes, HD.

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Dagmar:

You gotta stop buyin' those chinese knock-offs man

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mag0o:

hehe

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mchou:

Tom82: You can either wait (for VDPAU to be ready for prime time), or buy beefier proc than what you have on hand

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mchou:

by the time VDPAU hits prime time nvidia ion will probably be on the market

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Tom82:

lol, yeah, I didn't buy either one. One was a "here you want this thing" and the other..I can't remember how I came to get it..

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mchou:

of course the bad blood betw. intel and nvidia doesnt help matters much when it comes to the ion.....

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Tom82:

Well I have a 845G slot on the MB. I like the SFF (Evo PC) and would like to use it for the frontend/backend.

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mchou:

nvidia ion is same idea as eveo PC

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mchou:

evo*

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mag0o:

im surprised there were no threads this year about how to invert the commercial cut list

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gumpert345:

is there a way to have a windows frontend for mythtv?

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ldiamond:

Does anyone here know how to get surround 5.1 sound ? and be able to easily switch between headphones, 2.1 and 5.1?

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justinh:

use digital audio :)

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ldiamond:

yea, I if only I had digital speakers.

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ldiamond:

I do have a digital output

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mchou:

ldiamond: yeah. It's called get a stero amplifier

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mchou:

stereo*

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mag0o:

like this ldiamond? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/ALSA_upmixing

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justinh:

upmixing? pleh

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ldiamond:

euh

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mag0o:

if he's just got stereo

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ldiamond:

A stereo amp..?

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mag0o:

dunno, not too much info given

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ldiamond:

I have a 5.1 soundcard...

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mchou:

lol

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ldiamond:

So what? Nobody uses real 5.1 audio on linux...?

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mchou:

ldiamond: are you daft?

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mchou:

ldiamond: plenty of people do

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ldiamond:

what is daft?

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justinh:

'real' 5.1 audio?

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mchou:

sigh. forget it

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ldiamond:

yea, not just copying the front channels to the back.

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justinh:

I was listening to nice DTS last night :)

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ldiamond:

well, how did you set it up?

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** laga finds stereo quite OK **

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ldiamond:

Whatever I do, all I get is 2 channels

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justinh:

I don't use analogue for surround sound. easy

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ldiamond:

I can copy them to the back speakers but nothing else.

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ldiamond:

Ok, but with analog audio..?

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mchou:

it's called digital

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justinh:

and I strongly believe that 'upmixing' is a waste of time. you can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear

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ldiamond:

I dont want to upmix

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ldiamond:

I have a 5.1 audio source, and I want my speakers to use it.

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ldiamond:

but the source is down mixed to 2.1 for some reason

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ldiamond:

My audio card has 4 jacks with jack sensing. On windows, when I plug audio jacks, the driver asks what kind of output it is and routes the correct audio there.

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iamlindoro:

My mother had jack sensing and my bedroom had no lock

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iamlindoro:

It was a tough time

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CaptObviousman:

that's why you put a chair under the doorknob

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iamlindoro:

"I'm changing clothes! Come back in 30 minutes!"

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justinh:

don't be so shy! click. ARGHHHH YOU HEATHEN CHILD! YOU'LL GO BLIND!!!!!

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justinh:

ahhh those were the days

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justinh:

hem

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iamlindoro:

haha

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AndyCap:

O_o

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a1fa:

:)

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a1fa:

iamlindoro : hello :P

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a1fa:

i need to run a special resolution in order to make it fit on my screen correctly

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kambei:

Is there a setting for the timing after which channel changes are processed in live TV?

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a1fa:

i generated a modline but xorg does not likie it

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gumpert345:

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directhex:

is it listed on the v4l wiki?

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iamlindoro:

If it's not even out yet, chances of it working in myth/linux are practically nil

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gumpert345:

thats sad, I hoped it is some kind of stripped down older card

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iamlindoro:

Even if it is, it'll still identify itself differently and need at least a tiny code change

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gumpert345:

I see

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iamlindoro:

But at least that part would be simple... if it's more complex than that, it could be weeks, months, or year, depending on how motivated whomever decides to write the driver is

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iamlindoro:

But generally speaking it's usually a few months at least

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iamlindoro:

Anduin, Still thinking you might have a chance to look at #6159 (fanart/banner/screenshot metadata + UI) this weekend? (No worries if not)

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gumpert345:

well, i definately wont risk driver issues, I just hoped for a good deal

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iceman`work:

hi folka

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iceman`work:

*folks

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Anduin:

iamlindoro: it is still possible, few more weekend tasks + actual work, it will be late if it happens

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sid3windr:

weekend, heh

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sid3windr:

it's already monday :(

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iceman`work:

can mythtv be used as a broadcast server to send live tv over a network?

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iamlindoro:

Anduin, Okay, sounds like a plan, hope you do but real life wins :)

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Anduin:

iamlindoro: Yeah, if I don't there is almost no chance I'll get to it until next Sunday so I'll try.

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iamlindoro:

Anduin, I totally understand-- Only reason I would like to see that one in is I'd like to get other people engaged in talking about how best to leverage the stuff on the PBB side... my quick PBB patch to guess the right images is working perfectly so far, but I'd like to start a discussion about whether to have the scheduler pull in and name things appropriately when a new show is scheduled

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iamlindoro:

I mean, it's fun to hunt down the stuff for my shows and save it all manually, but.... :)

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mag0o:

i can't *wait* to watch that avon commercial again

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mag0o:

...how on earth did that get in there...

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dustybin:

stallman is the king: find /usr/share/man -name '*.gz' -exec zgrep -il stallman {} \; | sed -r 's@.*/@@g; s@\..*@@'

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iamlindoro:

Idolizing enigmatic figures leads to trials in The Hague

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iceman`work:

lol

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sid3windr:

hmm

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sid3windr:

is the progress bar on the lcd included in "channel information" or is this a different setting? I don't feel much for the progress bar :/

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hachi:

if I compile mythtv with MMX... does that mean it will auto-detect MMX

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hachi:

or it requires it to run at all?

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hachi:

also, what are xrandr support and XvMC OpenGL support for?

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hachi:

let's see if HEAD compiles :D

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