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Saturday, January 31st, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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d0netsFN:

ok i just found the file

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d0netsFN:

it says mythrename.pl.gz

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sphery:

d0netsFN: the most important thing is you want mythrename.pl --link

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sphery:

(i.e. if you actually change the filenames with it, it will break things)

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d0netsFN:

but how do i get it from .gz form

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iamlindoro:

gunzip

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GreyFoxx:

sphery: I've always let it rename the files :)

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GreyFoxx:

with _'s instead of spaces

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GreyFoxx:

the few times I've run it at least

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majnoon:

i have a bt878 based card get PERFECT picture but AUDIO is choppy and loops

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iamlindoro:

sometime I too EMPHASIS words in a SENTENCE

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iamlindoro:

EMPHASIZE

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_abbenormal:

stop yelling its hurting my eyes

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iamlindoro:

That's a loud yell

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_abbenormal:

lol

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_abbenormal:

hi iamlindoro

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iamlindoro:

hello

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majnoon:

it a wintv go with FM radio

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abk_switch:

hahahaha. guess what i found in the garage

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abk_switch:

aside from the p3 1ghz

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abk_switch:

i found a wincast/TV tuner card from 1996!

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abk_switch:

i think it might even use isa

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clever:

abk_switch: lol :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

abk_switch: I made clever cry recently – I un-soldered a PIII 500 from a slot1 board, then drilled a hole in it to make it a keychain. ;-)

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justinh:

[Peter]: you tried 'use extra audio buffering' ?

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justinh:

as in, changed it from the default? can't remember what the default is – so whatever it's set to try changing it

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: your evil!

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, Did he scream "No! That's more computing power than is found in my entire house?"

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justinh:

although if you set audio device to null, and it still moaned about not keeping up, it ain't audio

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clever:

iamlindoro: i have 5.6ghz worth of power in my house easily:P

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clever:

thats more then the keychain he made

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iamlindoro:

clever, I have 10 Ghz on *this system*, grow up

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clever:

:O

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_abbenormal:

lol

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clever:

quad 2.5ghz?

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iamlindoro:

2.6

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clever:

nice

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clever:

i didnt count every 100mhz system or the laptop that is currently out ;P

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clever:

but i do need to get an upgrade sooner or later

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justinh:

gah. blender is still too hard

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** J-e-f-f-A hasn't powerd up his new A64 X2 6000 yet... ;-) **

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iamlindoro:

Jesus, tweaking fanart/banners/covers is addictive

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dustybin:

J-e-f-f-A: why in gods name do you need such a powerful CPU

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J-e-f-f-A:

dustybin: Well, it was only $80, and commercial flagging, etc, would be MUCH faster with it... ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

dustybin: not to mention compiling... ;-)

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dustybin:

aye ok

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: allready have a mobo it fits?

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: I bought a Asus M3N78-VM w/onboard Nvidia 8200 at the same time...

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clever:

nice

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clever:

im still having trouble with gentoo and my harddrive

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dustybin:

J-e-f-f-A: i remember somebody in this channel had a terrible time with onboard nvidia?

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dustybin:

i cannot remember who it was

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dustybin:

Kormoc?

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J-e-f-f-A:

And it's supposed to be supported with my current backend's MB, but it wouldn't even post, even with the latest BIOS...

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J-e-f-f-A:

dustybin: I saw some mention on -users and the nvidia boards about it... Seems Nvidia is aware of the issue and working on it from what I read. Worst-case, I throw the PCI card I have in there until it's fixed...

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J-e-f-f-A:

..er PCIe

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clever:

anybody know how i can get my harddrives to function in gentoo?

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: Plug them in?

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J-e-f-f-A:

;-)

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: it is pluged in, but its not showing in /proc/partitions

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: Oh, wait, are these MFM or RLL drives? ;-)

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abk_switch:

i bet they're in /dev/sd*

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** cesman chuckles spins arounds and counts 16 systems in this room alone ;) **

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abk_switch:

which means needs mounted

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clever:

abk_switch: sda and hda are both missing

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abk_switch:

oh, okay

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abk_switch:

now THAT is weird

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majnoon:

what player does mythtv use for TV cards?

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: pata laptop drive

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abk_switch:

wtf is pata stand for anyway

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Anduin:

majnoon: its own

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** J-e-f-f-A wonders if clever even knows what an MFM drive is... ;-) **

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: the realy old shit ;P

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BenB:

10 GHz on one system sounded insane to me, just it's just an ordinary quadcore these days.

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clever:

i compiled most of the crap out of the kernel when i was starting and now i cant access any pata bus

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majnoon:

what it based on ?? mplayer,vlc or ???

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majnoon:

i have a bt878 based card get PERFECT picture but AUDIO is choppy and loops

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, I know it was about $10K last time I worked with one :)

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abk_switch:

majnoon: it uses whatever you tell it to use

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abk_switch:

mplayer being one of them

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abk_switch:

i got my bt878 audio to work by using the external-cable from tv-tuner card to mic on soundcard, mute mic, unmute 'capture' in gnome-alsamixer

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abk_switch:

bam, perfect sound

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majnoon:

where change the player ??

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cesman:

no, mythtv doesn't use whatever you tell it to for TV

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abk_switch:

oh i thought he meant for video

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cesman:

it uses it's own internal player

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abk_switch:

for tv IDK, i thought it was internal

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abk_switch:

edit, fuck; beaten

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majnoon:

i get sound that loops

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abk_switch:

you probably need to mute your 'mic'

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cesman:

right

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abk_switch:

does the sound keep going when you kill myth? cuz mine did that too

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majnoon:

yup but it unloops when not playing tv

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majnoon:

i have tvcard in "line-in"

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majnoon:

ok will try that with line in and see what happens

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BenB:

clear

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BenB:

ops

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Dagmar:

Pfft. Wrong bind

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Dagmar:

abk_switch: Sound shouldn't keep going if you're getting the sound through the internal sound device on the tuner card

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majnoon:

it sees the card as a SOUND card also

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Dagmar:

majnoon: He's not routing his sound hte same way you are

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Dagmar:

You need line-in on your sound card muted for playback, and selected as the recording device

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Dagmar:

That'll keep what comes from the tuner card from going out to your speakers all the time, using line-in as a passthru

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Dagmar:

The only thing that should be able to "hear" the sound from the tuner card directly should be the backend (recording process)

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iamlindoro:

sphery, regarding the sorting we talked about the other day, any reason Qt wouldn't like Title[0–999].ext?

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Dagmar:

special glob chars in filename?

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sphery:

iamlindoro: you mean QDir? QDir uses QRegExp, but TTBOMK, it always uses wildcard mode (which only supports * and ?)

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sphery:

iamlindoro: you could try it, but I don't think it will match anything

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iamlindoro:

sphery, Might give it a shot-- obviously it works in a shell, but dunno what Qt will make of it

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clever:

Title[0–9]{1,3}.ext might work with the QRegExp version

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clever:

but unshure about the actual sorting of those results

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clever:

qSort may help

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clever:

and using 000 instead of 0

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sphery:

clever: what I'm saying is that QRegExp is /locked/ to wildcard pattern syntax

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clever:

ahh

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sphery:

you can't just specify a QRegExp for it

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clever:

its using a cripled version of it

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sphery:

http://doc.trolltech.com/4.4/qregexp.html#qre . . . ard-matching

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clever:

dont have X installed atm

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sphery:

though that says sets of chars can be used

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clever:

gpm is also missing so i cant copy url's

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iamlindoro:

sphery, yeah, that's what I saw/was meaning

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clever:

bbl

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majnoon:

THAT worked :)

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Dagmar:

clever is actually probably right.

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sphery:

iamlindoro: heh, it's regexp-syntax sets of chars, not sh-syntax (glob) sets... So, I think it would work for [0–9], but that would only match one digit

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Dagmar:

Kinda scary

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sphery:

[0–999] won't work since 999 isn't a char

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Dagmar:

If you didn't mind leading zeroes you could use [0–9][0–9][0–9]

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sphery:

or it may say, "match any character from 0–9 or a 9 or a 9"

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sphery:

iamlindoro: still worth a try, though

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iamlindoro:

sphery, hmm. If so, would need to decide if matching 10 instances is enough

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iamlindoro:

sphery, For me it would be, but there are likely a small but notable number of people with shows in double-digit seasons

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Dagmar:

...which would make strict string sorts benefit from leading zeroes

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Dagmar:

Using two digits for season and episode would take care of probably 90% of cases correctly.

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wolfspirit:

I imported several CDs into myth as ogg files and they played fine. I converted them into mp3s so I can play them on my iphone (before realizing I could import them as mp3s in myth to begin with) and they wouldn't play but they do play outside of myth. I then truncated all of the music_ tables thinking that maybe the .ogg filename was still in there and that's why they wouldn't play but after I did that and rescanned the fil

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Dagmar:

wolfspirit: Pasting a long and winding question tends result in the end being truncated and no one understanding what you

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wolfspirit:

sorry... if I don't include enough detail about the problem I assumed people would say something like: wolfspirit: that's not enough information, we need more detail in order to help you out. :)

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Dagmar:

Yes, which is when we generally ask for something specific instead of a long backstory. Either way, your stuff ended at "rescanned the fil"

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wolfspirit:

but after I did that and rescanned the files they still won't play. my other mp3s play in myth though. any ideas as to what is stopping these from playing?

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Dagmar:

You shouldn't need to truncate the tables, BTW

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Dagmar:

Music that's missing just "goes away" on the next scan

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wolfspirit:

Dagmar: ah.. I searched google and there was several forum postings say that was the only way to "clear" the music completely

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Dagmar:

Could be you're onto an actual bug there, but... a quick fix would be to maybe go into mythmusic and nuke the entries for the songs that aren't playing, and then rescan

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wolfspirit:

Dagmar: I did that by truncating all of the music_ tables didn't I?

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Dagmar:

I'm not in front of my box so I can't test that one directly

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Dagmar:

wolfspirit: I'm somewhat ignoreing that as a red herring because it shoudln't be *possible* for a song to *remain* broken after that unless something's actually wrong with the mp3 file itself

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Dagmar:

Also, manually poking at the database tends to be a bad idea

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wolfspirit:

Dagmar: which also occurred to me even though totem, vlc, etc. just plays it anyways

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Dagmar:

I've never reencoded to switch formats... I'll have to poke at that and see what's happening

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wolfspirit:

Dagmar: first time I ever converted an ogg to mp3 and I know you normally wouldn't do that

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Dagmar:

I can see a coder making an assumption about files based on the id3 tag

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Dagmar:

'cuz you're right, people woudln't normally do that

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DarkDrgn2k:

hey guys

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wolfspirit:

Dagmar: I didn't want to re-import 20+ CDs plus I eventually chucked them so I had to go that route unfortunately

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Dagmar:

Yeah see this is why I was saying go into mythmusic itself and just nuke the one labum

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Dagmar:

s/labum/album/;

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clever:

Dagmar: leading zeros would also aid in sorting the file listing afterwards

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Dagmar:

In theory you should be able to do that by chucking the files you want to "go away" and telling it to rescan

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clever:

000 comes before 010 even when doing a text sort

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Dagmar:

clever: Yes, for a strict string search like ls does yeah

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clever:

so you dont have to seperate the file and number and sort it right

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clever:

qSort can be used on a QList to sort the filenames

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Dagmar:

clever: But what iamlindoro was talking about originally wouldn't be zero-padded

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wolfspirit:

Dagmar: how do you remove the music from inside of mythtv?

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Dagmar:

Go into the directory where the files are with a shell and just move them into /tmp for bit, tell Myth to rescan, then put them back, tell it to rescan again

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Dagmar:

POSSIBLY just highlight them in Myth and press deletee to see what happens, but I'm not so sure about that

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clever:

id think chmod 0 /path/to/music would be alot simpler

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Dagmar:

clever: In that case mv /path/to/music /somewhere/else would be just as quick

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Dagmar:

I was tryin' to be less crude

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clever:

my /tmp is on a diff filesystem from the music

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clever:

and theres a few filesystems mounted under the music root

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clever:

and some distro's prune /tmp for unused files

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Dagmar:

1. I don't think he's going to have /tmp pruned at some random time and it should never affect files that have only been in there a few minutes...

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Dagmar:

...and 2. chmod 0 is an ugly thing to do.

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wolfspirit:

I just created a Music.tmp and moved them there

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Dagmar:

Good enough

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clever:

that also works :)

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Dagmar:

Understand that MythMusic is actually somewhat buggy

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Dagmar:

As "simple" as it looks, it's got some "issues" still

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wolfspirit:

nope

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wolfspirit:

still a no go... and nothing in the logs really either

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wolfspirit:

does MythMusic create much in the realm of logging?

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Dagmar:

So you moved the music to where mythmusic couldn't see it, rescanned, verified mythmusic no longer knew about them, then moved them back and rescanned again?

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wolfspirit:

Dagmar: yeah

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Dagmar:

That's pretty screwed up

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Dagmar:

It shoudln't be able to do that

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wolfspirit:

lol

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wolfspirit:

Dagmar: well like you said.. it could be the files themselves

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Dagmar:

Yeah this is possible

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Dagmar:

The last time I was using it I just kinda mentally marked it as something to beat on harder when I did my next rebuild because the damn thing would stop playing ANY mp3 at exactly two minutes

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wolfspirit:

Dagmar: though they play in other players.. it would be nice to be able to choose the player that plays them.. is it using a specific player (mplayer etc.) or is it just an internal player

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Dagmar:

I couldn't even begin to surmise what was making that happen

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clever:

Dagmar: im guessing cosmic rays

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wolfspirit:

clever: nah too subtle... I blame black holes

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directhex:

it was the LHC!

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clever:

directhex: they havent even gotten it up to that level yet

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clever:

umm wtf

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clever:

did the wind pick up

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Dagmar:

They'd better double and triple check their damn math over there because if they destroy the earth I WILL BE PISSED

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clever:

nope snow blower

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iamlindoro:

not for long

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clever:

bbl

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Dagmar:

I'm not keen on this "Yeah, okay, so we might have made an error in out calculations and the black hole might last a few minutes"

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Dagmar:

Like, wtf, are they allowing freshmen to work on the thing now?

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Dagmar:

Cuz you know, I've always had the sense to show restraint when I've found ways to break the Internet. I'm pretty sure not everyone has that same sense of self-preservation

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wyrdvans:

Has anyone managed to get a FusionHDTV7 Dual Express Remote working?

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wyrdvans:

The remote can turn on the computer but that is all.

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wagnerrp:

apparently when you get down to a lowly P4 1.8... power consumption with VDPAU is about 20%

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wagnerrp:

rather, CPU consumption

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wagnerrp:

i guess thats probably what it takes to decode the audio

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wagnerrp:

yeah, 18% with AC3 audio, 10% with AAC (which i believe was not compiled in and if i had speakers plugged in would probably not be playing

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wagnerrp:

i wonder if the heatsink on this thing is big enough to run it fanless

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squish102:

ok, i am using mythtv FOR REAL now ;) DVR going back and all 40 wifes series are being loaded :(

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squish102:

now i need some help with the two tuners and getting conflicts resolved

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wagnerrp:

not really anything we can do to resolve your recording conflicts

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wagnerrp:

40 shows?

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squish102:

i have one digital tuner with HD and SD of the same show, and one tuner with SD only

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squish102:

i would like to put the prioritie on digital tuner and then analog tuner and show to record digital HD then digital SD then analog SD

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wagnerrp:

so either thats a 1600, and you can record off both tuners on that card

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iamlindoro:

40 wives?

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wagnerrp:

or you have one card that can do digital, and one card that can do analog

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iamlindoro:

"all 40 wifes..."

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squish102:

lol, 40 shows!

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squish102:

wagnerrp what u said

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iamlindoro:

How *are* things in utah?

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iamlindoro:

ah, a carolina, close enough

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squish102:

machine can only have 2 cards, and i have a digital ati hd tv wonder, and a pvr 150

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iamlindoro:

but only if they're relations

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iamlindoro:

;)

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squish102:

i actually have another digital ati hd tv wonder... i wonder if i should replace the analog card

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wagnerrp:

is everything you watch over-the-air?

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squish102:

i have tw cable, but yes, everything is over-the-air for now

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** squish102 thinks to himself... why do i pay so much for all 300 channels! **

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squish102:

so cal i put a priority on a tuner card?

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squish102:

and then can i put certain channels to have a higher priority?

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squish102:

and then can i put certain shows to have a higher priority?

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squish102:

and then will the highest high ones record where i want them if i set every recording as 'any' channel?

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iamlindoro:

http://www.letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=mythtv+priority

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iamlindoro:

at least *try* first

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oobe:

i think he wants http://nastuffitjusttellmetheanswer.com

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squish102:

cool, lots of reading

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squish102:

so it looks like it can do all of that

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Dagmar:

Yes.

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squish102:

so getting more tuners, is the best to get hdhomerun?

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Dagmar:

Because a dev with a girlfriend who can't make their PVR prefer to record her shows over his is a dev with no girlfriend soon enough

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squish102:

hdhomerun is a little expensive still... wish i bought one on the black friday special!

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BassKozz:

Who was it that was telling me the wiki page was garbage for building from source: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Ubuntu-8.10_Source_Install

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BassKozz:

Wasn't there an easier step to 'sudo apt-get builddeb' or something?

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BassKozz:

it was either wagnerrp or iamlindoro, can't remember :-(

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** BassKozz is bad with names **

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Dagmar:

BassKozz: That particular page leaves multiple things to be desired

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Dagmar:

BUT...

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Dagmar:

There's not much point in building from source on Ubuntu 8.10 since you can get binaries for it that are as unstable as they come

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BassKozz:

I know, I am just testing it out on a test rig so I can take advantage of VDPAU using "--enable-vdpau --enable-opengl-vsync" of course ;-)

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BassKozz:

I really should start logging my IRC use :-P

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BassKozz:

Someone over at AVSfourms has convinced me to give it a try: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1113747

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BassKozz:

I've already installed nvidia 180.27 drivers, and built patched version of mplayer, all that's left on my todo list is build mythtv

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wagnerrp:

BassKozz: wouldnt have been me, ive never used ubuntu

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BassKozz:

looks like iamlindoro in the culprit then :p

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wagnerrp:

why bother with mplayer?

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Dagmar:

I was under the impression someone had a trunk package for vdpau testing

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BassKozz:

wagnerrp: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1097364

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BassKozz:

I just follow steps

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** BassKozz is worthless drone following instructions found on the net **

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wagnerrp:

specifically, why bother with mplayer if this is a mythtv box?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv does not use mplayer

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BassKozz:

to test if VDPAU is working I guess

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BassKozz:

which it is, I can play HD H.264 with less then 10% CPU usage

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BassKozz:

:-D

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Dagmar:

Understand that all attempts to report instabilities in vdpau will merely make us laugh at you

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BassKozz:

No problem

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** BassKozz is channel jester **

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BassKozz:

This is more of a science experiament then a real world use box

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BassKozz:

experiment*

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BassKozz:

feeling things out for the future, a great day when .22 is STABLE :-P

[02:56:37]

BassKozz:

and Nvidia's drivers are as well :p

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Dagmar:

okay, just so we're clear

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Dagmar:

There's been a bit of the "Hey! This thing keeps crashing! Can ne1 halp?"

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wagnerrp:

i thought 180.25 was a stable release

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BassKozz:

Gotcha Dagmar, don't worry I won't jump on here complaining it's more of a learning experience

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wagnerrp:

(not saying the VDPAU bits are)

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BassKozz:

I am using 180.27

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BassKozz:

I think 180.22 is stable

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BassKozz:

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=122606

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wagnerrp:

think cardboard would work as a noise dampener?

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wagnerrp:

im looking for something i have on hand, and i have plenty of shipping boxes

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wagnerrp:

real, thick cardboard

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wagnerrp:

not the cereal box stuff

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Dagmar:

Too reflective maybe

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Dagmar:

If it's corrugated, slice it so you get ridges

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Dagmar:

...or just peel one side off

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wagnerrp:

i could do that

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Dagmar:

You dampen noise by two ways.., dampening and reflection

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wagnerrp:

i just have a box stuffed between a wood entertainment center and a wall

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wagnerrp:

in a room with hard floors and a vaulted ceiling

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wagnerrp:

it tunnels sound from behind the tv right to the couch

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Dagmar:

Okay, so first, rubber grommet all of it

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wagnerrp:

trying to do something tonight

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wagnerrp:

if this doesnt work, i can make a run out to lowes

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Dagmar:

Second I'd say use some squishy 1/4 inch packing foam and line the big panels on the sides of your case with it

[03:04:43]

wagnerrp:

or... just put my P180 back in place

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Dagmar:

No rubber bands in the house?

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BassKozz:

I've got a P180, god I love it, but the damn thing weighs a ton

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wagnerrp:

i might have enough rubber bands to grommet the power supply

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wagnerrp:

i think thats the big culprit

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wagnerrp:

well it must be, considering thats the only fan in the thing

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wagnerrp:

its just reverberating off the rest of the metal case

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justinh:

thin cases tend to resonate well :)

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justinh:

heavy ones.. less so

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Dagmar:

That just lowers the pitch they wiggle at mostly

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Dagmar:

Doesn't travel as far

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wagnerrp:

travels further, just not so audibly

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Dagmar:

Nope.

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Dagmar:

Low frequency waves have less energy. They don't travel as far.

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Dagmar:

This isn't something I know "in theory". I was in a marching band in high school and college.

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Dagmar:

You HAD to compensate for it

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Dagmar:

...otherwise the performance sounds screwey and you get that "high school marching band" sound.

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wagnerrp:

ah, i thought it was just because the ear was more sensitive to the higher frequencies

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Dagmar:

Nope

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pepperjack:

i dont suppose there is much chance of cable company cable card hardware working in linux/myth in the US?

[03:12:49]

wagnerrp:

nope

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Dagmar:

pepperjack: Your odds are on par with catching fish in an old boot

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pepperjack:

ok then :(

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Dagmar:

...and yes it sucks

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Dagmar:

If the FCC had the power to shoot executives in the face, we might see it

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BassKozz:

Are cableco's required to allow firewire support with their cable boxes?

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J-e-f-f-A:

BassKozz: In the US, yes, but it's not required to be in the clear.

[03:15:18]

BassKozz:

"in the clear" ?

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Dagmar:

THey're required to provide STBs with working firewire to customers who a) buy a digital cable package and b) request it

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J-e-f-f-A:

BassKozz: And only on HD boxes.

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Dagmar:

...which in practice tends to mean you can change channels with it and that's about it.

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Dagmar:

They enable 5C on almost all the channels in almost all francise areas

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BassKozz:

ahh ok, so you can't use mythtv to record shows via firewire then?

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wagnerrp:

i could always go to campus and swipe some panels from our anechoic champer

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Dagmar:

If you live in the Bay Area or some parts around Seattle

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wagnerrp:

but i believe theyre actually thicker than my case is wide

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Dagmar:

Everywhere else you're just screwed

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: You're actually probably better off hitting up the university NOC and asking if they've got any packing materials (particularly the grey foam IBM likes) lying about

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BassKozz:

J-e-f-f-A: just curious as a fellow MA resident, what do you use to pull content?

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: i forgot about that, every time i sent my laptop in for repair, it would come with some 2–3" of nice grey foam

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BassKozz:

Thanks for the info BTW Dagmar

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wagnerrp:

although they changed that for the last year or to when Lenovo bought it

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J-e-f-f-A:

BassKozz: OTA HD – via HDHomeRun – SD off of 3 dish receivers, feeding S-Video and Sterio Audio into Hauppauge PVR cards.

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BassKozz:

nice, thanks J-e-f-f-A

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J-e-f-f-A:

BassKozz: ^^^ OTA = Roof-top antenna...

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BassKozz:

ohok

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BassKozz:

What Hauppauge cards are you using?

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wagnerrp:

probably 150 or 500

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J-e-f-f-A:

BassKozz: A PVR-500 and a PVR-250.

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BassKozz:

cool, what are you using to change the channels lirc ?

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wagnerrp:

what was the difference between the 250 and the 150?

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J-e-f-f-A:

150 is newer, both are functionally equivalent.

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BassKozz:

wagnerrp, http://www.shspvr.com/reviews/comparison/comparison.htm

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J-e-f-f-A:

BassKozz: Yes, lirc with a 3-head buffered serial blaster I built myself.

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BassKozz:

Frequent trips to you-do-it electronics ?

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BassKozz:

:-P

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BassKozz:

Where could I get my hands on DIY serial blaster instructions?

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J-e-f-f-A:

BassKozz: lirc.org ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

BassKozz: If you just need one eye, I"ve got a simplified schematic of the non-buffered one on my page... let me send you the link.

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BassKozz:

cool, thanks

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J-e-f-f-A:

BassKozz: http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/ir_blaster.jpg

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BassKozz:

forgive me for asking ( Dagmar don't laugh ) buffered vs. non-buffered ?

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BassKozz:

got it, thanks

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J-e-f-f-A:

BassKozz: The serial port can drive a single LED, but not more than one.

[03:29:26]

BassKozz:

got it

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J-e-f-f-A:

BassKozz: I basically built the transmitter similar to the one on the lirc page: http://lirc.org/transmitters.html – with 3x the output stage

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BassKozz:

ok, I see, good deal, I am mediocre w/ soldering and circuitry I might go the easy route and purchase one

[03:41:22]

BassKozz:

but it might be fun to give it a shot too.

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BassKozz:

J-e-f-f-A, you a member of BLU ?

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pepperjack:

do you guys use a plugin for tvrss or anything like that in addition to ota? or is that offtopic?

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jamesd_:

ok i'm not an engineer, but i would think a 12 volt feed from a serial port should be able to power more than one led, but may require some extra parts.

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justinh:

jamesd_: it's current drive capability not voltage

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iamlindoro:

pepperjack, In addition to being off topic, it's against channel rules to discuss

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justinh:

and you'll be lucky if you get 12V

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pepperjack:

ok wont happen again :)

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jamesd_:

i thought the rs232 stanard was 12v

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J-e-f-f-A:

BassKozz: No – not even sure what it stands for... Blue is my favorite color though... ;-)

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BassKozz:

Boston Linux Group: http://www.blu.org/

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BassKozz:

I just found out about it a few days ago

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BassKozz:

ran into it while doing mythtv research (a.k.a. googling)

[03:47:09]

BassKozz:

joined the mailing list to listen in, some interesting topics fly by every once in a while

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J-e-f-f-A:

BassKozz: I'll have to keep an eye on things there too... Right now I don't have enough free time for a local UG... Heck, I hardly made it to my local car club meetings 1x per month... maybe 2x the whole year... DOH!

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Dagmar:

you haven't known boredom until you've attended them in person

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BassKozz:

Dagmar, you've been to a BLU meetup?

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Dagmar:

I've been to and lectured for a LOT of lug meetings

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Dagmar:

You'll be checking your chair for sharp edges you could slash your wrists on when someone wants to do a presentation on say... how to use `ls`

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** J-e-f-f-A used to be VERY active in the local Amiga user's group... ~17 years ago... (more grey hairs appear...) **

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BassKozz:

LMAO :)

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Dagmar:

I'm not saying people shoudln't attend LUGs, but I'm definitely saying be prepared for the occasional stretch of suicide-inducing boredom

[03:52:09]

BassKozz:

I've never been to a CON or usergroup meetup ever, but I think it would be interesting to check one out sometime, but now I am having second thoughts :p

[03:52:18]

Dagmar:

No, go just to see people.

[03:52:42]

BassKozz:

you mean actually socialize, ohh no...

[03:52:44]

BassKozz:

:-P

[03:53:39]

BassKozz:

It sure does take a while to build mythtv on a P4 2.4ghz rig :-p

[03:54:23]

J-e-f-f-A:

BassKozz: Let it run for a day or so... ;-) Hehe... Won't take that long, but it will take a long time... ;-)

[03:54:38]

wagnerrp:

i just built trunk and a handful of plugins on a 1.8, came back after two hours and it was done

[03:54:47]

wagnerrp:

it probably finished long before 2 hours

[03:55:08]

J-e-f-f-A:

My Athlon X2 4800 compiles in < 15 mins. ;-)

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** J-e-f-f-A <3's speed... ;-) **

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BassKozz:

I wish I had an i7

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BassKozz:

wagnerrp, 1.8 what?

[03:58:26]

wagnerrp:

p4

[03:58:51]

BassKozz:

really

[03:59:02]

BassKozz:

Feels like it's been building for ever already

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Dagmar:

When building from source you will learn patience, or you will learn despair.

[04:01:59]

BassKozz:

probably doesn't help that I've got firefox up and running with 20+ tabs :-P

[04:02:08]

Dagmar:

That doesn't use much CPU.

[04:02:16]

wagnerrp:

just memory

[04:02:49]

BassKozz:

yeah but every little drop of CPU juice counts right ;-)

[04:02:53]

Dagmar:

19 nudie pics and a thumbnail page shouldln't take up that much memory

[04:03:03]

Dagmar:

;D

[04:03:09]

BassKozz:

18pics, the last one is a video

[04:03:18]

Dagmar:

I like this guy

[04:03:58]

BassKozz:

where is my moist towelette

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phunyguy:

ewe

[04:05:20]

BassKozz:

hehehe

[04:05:54]

phunyguy:

picked up some new toys today

[04:05:57]

BassKozz:

finished !!! YEAH, now to build plugins and themes

[04:06:00]

phunyguy:

nice rackmount 8 port KVM

[04:06:16]

phunyguy:

and a couple rackmount 12 plug power strips

[04:06:18]

BassKozz:

iogear?

[04:06:22]

phunyguy:

no.

[04:06:26]

phunyguy:

DLink

[04:06:29]

phunyguy:

freebies.

[04:06:34]

BassKozz:

nice grab

[04:06:53]

BassKozz:

I paid ~$100 for my Rackmount IOGear Miniview (8port)

[04:07:00]

phunyguy:

unused junk from work (yes i acquired it legally)

[04:07:01]

Dagmar:

I need a rack for my apartment, but they don't seem to fit in a BMW 325i

[04:07:10]

phunyguy:

nice

[04:07:14]

Dagmar:

...adn I sure as hell can't strap one to the tail lof the Kymco

[04:07:17]

wagnerrp:

does IOGear actually make KVM switches?

[04:07:21]

phunyguy:

the head of Radiology was givin old stuff away

[04:07:24]

J-e-f-f-A:

phunyguy: Any more to spread around? ;-)

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wagnerrp:

my iogear is really just a rebranded ATEN

[04:07:31]

phunyguy:

some old servers

[04:07:41]

phunyguy:

but not much to brag about

[04:07:54]

phunyguy:

i think one was an old Dual P3 tualatin core

[04:08:04]

phunyguy:

no ram though

[04:08:07]

phunyguy:

and no HDs

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phunyguy:

i left those alone because I already have a rack-mount server

[04:08:58]

phunyguy:

and plenty of other machines

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phunyguy:

including heat

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BassKozz:

wagnerrp: not sure if it's rebranded or not

[04:09:27]

phunyguy:

you know what else I have?

[04:09:32]

phunyguy:

Beer in the fridge and freezer.

[04:09:35]

phunyguy:

party time.

[04:13:56]

pepperjack:

you mean cry into your beer time as you wonder what happened to all your youthful ambitions?

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phunyguy:

lol I'm livin' the dream!

[04:25:40]

phunyguy:

I have no regrets.

[04:26:06]

phunyguy:

i may not have many monetary things

[04:26:09]

phunyguy:

but I have a family

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phunyguy:

:)

[04:28:36]

** BassKozz wishes mythtv build would be as fast as myththemes build **

[04:29:01]

RyeBrye:

BassKozz: on my new machine, it practically does ;)

[04:29:20]

RyeBrye:

but... on my P4... mythtv builds take f o r e v e r

[04:29:20]

BassKozz:

lucky you, what's your proc?

[04:29:36]

RyeBrye:

C2Q Q9550 overclocked to 3.6 GHz

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wagnerrp:

BassKozz: look into ccache

[04:29:53]

RyeBrye:

Oh, yeah, and you must use ccache

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wagnerrp:

cut your repeat build times down to seconds

[04:30:21]

BassKozz:

will look into it, thanks for the tip

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RyeBrye:

you can usually just install ccache wiht your package manager and it is then configured – you'll see it when you do ./configure it will say something about "ccache" and "yes" at the top of it

[04:32:45]

RyeBrye:

you might want to configure ccache to have a bigger cache, or change the cache location... etc – but yeah, ccache is probably the single biggest speed improvement

[04:32:50]

RyeBrye:

(for repeat builds)

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BassKozz:

wish I would've known abotu that 2hrs ago :p

[04:33:06]

RyeBrye:

what are you building on?

[04:33:13]

BassKozz:

xubuntu

[04:33:16]

BassKozz:

8.10

[04:33:20]

wagnerrp:

BassKozz: it only works if you build multiple times

[04:33:23]

RyeBrye:

sudo apt-get install ccache

[04:33:33]

RyeBrye:

but yeah, if you did it 2 hours ago, it would have already had a primed cache now :P

[04:33:39]

wagnerrp:

it speeds up the second (and third, and fourth, and...) build

[04:33:52]

BassKozz:

will install now for next time

[04:34:00]

RyeBrye:

but I've noticed some small changes to header files that get included everywhere seem to cause tons of files to need to be recompiled

[04:34:03]

wagnerrp:

only worthwhile if you intend to make frequent rebuilds, or are developing

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Dagmar:

RyeBrye: This is because if two machines have differing headers so that various binary pieces fall into disagreement about the shape of a data structure, BAD THINGS HAPPEN when they're recombined into one binary

[04:39:41]

RyeBrye:

right

[04:40:31]

RyeBrye:

I understand that if the hash of the file changes, ccache knows it has to be recompiled – but it's kind of a pain because there are a few files that are like the kitchen sink for includes and they trigger a lot of huge builds

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RyeBrye:

but it's not that big of a deal

[04:41:53]

wagnerrp:

RyeBrye: if thats all it does, whats the point?

[04:42:11]

RyeBrye:

wagnerrp: ccache?

[04:42:25]

wagnerrp:

a proper makefile will decide not to recompile if the already-compiled file is newer than the source

[04:42:53]

RyeBrye:

yeah, but for make distclean cases you don't have any already-compiled files

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RyeBrye:

it's only useful if you are doing make clean or make distclean make

[04:43:40]

RyeBrye:

if you are just re-running make it's not going to do much

[04:43:56]

wagnerrp:

whats the purpose of a clean/distclean if you dont actually want to start from scratch?

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RyeBrye:

well with ccache you are effectively starting from scratch – and then seeing if anything you have already done is still useable

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wagnerrp:

so... its just better at handling dependency trees?

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RyeBrye:

it will only pull files out from the cache if the source file (after all preprocessing steps) has an identical hash to the one that is in the cache

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RyeBrye:

http://ccache.samba.org/ccache-man.html has info on how it works

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BassKozz:

Dagmar: please don't yell at me, I know you warned me, but a stupid question is about to come out...

[04:48:27]

BassKozz:

I just finished building mythtv/mythplugins/myththemes, and I am trying to run mythbackend, but I keep getting DB Error: Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

[04:48:52]

RyeBrye:

!trout BassKozz not setting up mysql properly

[04:48:52]

** MythLogBot slaps BassKozz with a not setting up mysql properly trout on behalf of RyeBrye... **

[04:48:56]

wagnerrp:

BassKozz: so fix your permissionhhshh

[04:49:25]

wagnerrp:

damn keyboard keeps adding random 'h's and 'o's as it goes hhoin and out of range...

[04:49:30]

BassKozz:

stupid wiki guide: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Ubuntu-8.10_Source_Install

[04:49:54]

mag0o:

hehe, keyboard makin ho's for you

[04:50:23]

BassKozz:

set password for 'mythtv'@'%' = password('mythtv');

[04:50:23]

BassKozz:

ERROR 1133 (42000): Can't find any matching row in the user table

[04:51:05]

wagnerrp:

grant all on mythconverg.* to 'mythtv'@'%' identified by 'mythtv';

[04:53:11]

Dagmar:

You *really* need to read the installation guide that's on www.mythtv.org

[04:54:01]

BassKozz:

ok, now I am getting a different error "Cannot login to database?", ok I'll go read up

[04:56:03]

BassKozz:

got it: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mysql

[04:56:04]

BassKozz:

Thanks

[04:56:13]

BassKozz:

"teach a man to fish" :-P

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RyeBrye:

I prefer: "Build a man a fire, he'll be warm for a day. LIGHT a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life"

[04:59:26]

BassKozz:

scanning, I love it when I get the line that reads "Adding WHDH..." it makes me happy in my pants...

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BassKozz:

compared to skipping encrypted channel

[05:00:07]

BassKozz:

or Timeout Scanning — no tables

[05:00:55]

BassKozz:

RyeBrye: where did you get that line?

[05:01:16]

RyeBrye:

dunno, I picked it up from a friend

[05:01:37]

BassKozz:

it's a good one, I'll have to remember that ;-)

[05:02:38]

BassKozz:

'Esc' isn't exiting out of mythtv-setup ?

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BassKozz:

Ctrl-x at term did the trick ;-), that's rather odd thou, it wouldn't let me exit out of mythtv-setup with 'esc' , ohh well

[05:12:24]

BassKozz:

!trout MythLogBot Revenge

[05:12:24]

** MythLogBot slaps MythLogBot with a Revenge trout on behalf of BassKozz... **

[05:14:15]

Dagmar:

ctl-alt-bksp will generally get you out of myth in a hurry as well

[05:14:25]

Dagmar:

...unless your distro maintainers are panty-waists

[05:14:40]

mag0o:

heh

[05:15:01]

BassKozz:

so if I am surfing porn on my mythtv, the boss key should be setup ctrl-alt-bksp

[05:15:56]

mag0o:

bahaha

[05:16:11]

clever:

ctrl+alt+backspace can still take 10–30 seconds to react

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clever:

ctrl+alt+f1 is faster

[05:16:37]

clever:

and wont kill your browser, so you can get back to your pron sooner;P

[05:16:41]

mag0o:

use a key sequence, power off tv, then ctrl+alt+<whatever>

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BassKozz:

mag0o: FTW

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BassKozz:

TV 1st then who the 'f' cares

[05:17:34]

BassKozz:

so long as the screen is blank your in the clear

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clever:

he may wonder what you where doing if the screen is totaly blank;p

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BassKozz:

counting dead pixels

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clever:

lol

[05:18:56]

mag0o:

i thought *that* killed a kitten every time

[05:19:55]

clever:

the world has enough kittens

[05:20:01]

clever:

too many if you ask some people

[05:20:10]

clever:

consider it population control

[05:20:58]

wagnerrp:

clever: does that mean youre fighting the good fight every night as the internet usage skyrockets?

[05:21:21]

clever:

most of my bandwidth goes towards non porn:P

[05:21:51]

clever:

month rx | tx | total

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clever:

Jan '09 120.52 GB | 60.12 GB | 180.63 GB %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%:::::::

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clever:

im surprised i can download so much unmentionable stuff when im constantly on 1gig free

[05:22:29]

clever:

i should have run out of space 120 times over by now

[05:23:34]

clever:

and now that i finaly have a 1tb drive, i cant use it!

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wagnerrp:

back in college, i knew a guy who was consistently pulling about 300k/s down to his 6GB laptop drive

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clever:

it only has a sata power connector

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clever:

thats double my down speed

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clever:

id have to hook a 2nd modem to the neighbors line to get that much

[05:24:24]

clever:

or leech there wifi

[05:24:36]

clever:

but it seems like the idiots finaly upgraded to WPA

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clever:

the complicated part is getting a laptop to act as a gateway into wireless

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clever:

and then spliting the bandwidth between 2 gateways

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Dagmar:

...and going to that much trouble without realizing that they're both probably sharing the same airwaves anyway.

[05:30:10]

clever:

my current gateway is wired right to the dsl modem

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clever:

in theory, i can split half my bandwidth into the neighbors wifi and thru there dsl modem

[05:30:40]

clever:

which would give me 2 pipes to the local DSLAM

[05:31:10]

clever:

having 2 outgoing pipes on a single gateway is complex enough

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wagnerrp:

clever: thats supposing you can get a program that doesnt mind downloading through multiple IPs simultaneously

[05:31:30]

wagnerrp:

two outgoing pipes though a single gateway is VERY EASY

[05:31:31]

clever:

wagnerrp: yeah, you would have those problems when with 1 gateway and 2 modems

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wagnerrp:

the difficult part is getting one client to use all that bandwidth

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wagnerrp:

multiple clients, you can just round-robin them

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clever:

wagnerrp: but getting programs to make the most use of both pipes is the tricky part

[05:32:03]

clever:

yeah

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clever:

i could posibly use pppoe to make my laptop act like a dsl modem

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clever:

and then use 'ppp1' to pipe half the traffic to the laptop like it was a 2nd normal pipe

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clever:

which would then pipe it into the wifi and the 2nd NAT

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clever:

but then id be double NAT'ing half my connections

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BassKozz:

I am out see you guys around...

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clever:

wagnerrp: also, what do you think would happen if i try ip spoofing

[05:34:08]

hish:

Hi all...got a mythweb problem here if anyone can help

[05:34:19]

clever:

wagnerrp: send packets from ip1 out both connections

[05:34:55]

wagnerrp:

i imagine any decent router on the ISP side would barf and blackhole you

[05:34:58]

hish:

installed Mythweb on Archlinx but whenever I try to access it I get a listing of the directory contents rather than the mythweb page

[05:35:15]

hish:

is this a php5 problem?

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clever:

wagnerrp: that depends on if its decent, and if the 2 pipes merge before or after a router

[05:35:52]

clever:

the DSLAM may merge all the pipes into a single line before doing anything with the ip layer

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wagnerrp:

hish: you probably havent installed the mythweb httpd.conf include file

[05:37:15]

wagnerrp:

or you havent told apache to use '.php' as a valid web page extension

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hish:

I copied mythweb.conf to /etc/httpd/conf/extra

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hish:

and phpmyadmin is working btw

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wagnerrp:

did you restart apache to make it load said copied file?

[05:38:45]

hish:

how do I check if .php is being used as a valid extension?

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hish:

yes I reloaded apache

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wagnerrp:

do you have mod_rewrite installed/loaded?

[05:40:06]

hish:

yes

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wagnerrp:

+-

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hish:

and mod_env

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wagnerrp:

only thing i have left is to cheack the appache error logs

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clever:

tail -F /var/log/apache2/error.log

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hish:

just getting an error about favicon.ico not existing...that shouldn't be significant right?

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wagnerrp:

nope, just an optional icon you get up in the address bar

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hish:

s'what I thought

[05:44:13]

hish:

ah well...I guess mythweb isnt essential but it would have been nice...easier than firing up mythfrontend

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clever:

i usualy just make favicon.ico a 0 byte file to hide the 404 errors

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hish:

clever, does it matter what type of a file?

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hish:

can I just 'nano' it ?

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clever:

'touch favicon.ico'

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hish:

thanks clever

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hish:

and thanks wagnerrp

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RyeBrye:

imho mythweb IS essential

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RyeBrye:

I can't imagine scheduling recordings any other way

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clever:

my mythweb makes mythbackend implode

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wagnerrp:

mid 90's games make your backend implode

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hish:

RyeBrye, why essential?

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clever:

wagnerrp: by explode, i mean 6 core dumps in a row

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clever:

thats a error in the code not the hardware

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RyeBrye:

hish: because it's the only way I ever schedule, view my upcoming recordings, view listings, or modify my list of upcoming recordings... etc.

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RyeBrye:

you CAN do that all from the frontend

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wagnerrp:

hish: if you dont use it, kormoc will eat your children

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hish:

I always use mythweb on ubuntu

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hish:

but I am setting up another server on Arch and I can live with the frontend for scheduling I suppose

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wagnerrp:

another server? are you saying you already have one up running mythweb?

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hish:

yes

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wagnerrp:

theres no need for two

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CaptObviousman:

yeah, with a master backend, that's the one you control with mythweb

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hish:

I am replacing one with the other

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JacobBrown:

hi I'm trying to setup mythtv on my ubuntu workstation. I've gotten to the stage where I run mythtv-setup, but that program just complains that it can't connect to my database. Is there a script somewhere that I need to run to setup the database?

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wagnerrp:

JacobBrown: go find some installation instructions, follow them

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JacobBrown:

yeah the one I was following is obviously broken because it never mentioned that I had to setup a database after installing the packages

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JacobBrown:

is there a sql script somewhere that I need to run to setup the database and tables?

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wagnerrp:

mythbuntu works some magic where it sets up a lot of that stuff for you

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wagnerrp:

i dont know if the mythtv package in ubuntu does the same thing

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JacobBrown:

hmmm

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wagnerrp:

somewhere in /usr/share/mythtv or /usr/local/share/mythtv

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wagnerrp:

there will be a file with an .sql extension

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wagnerrp:

my.sql, or mythtv.sql

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wagnerrp:

something like that

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JacobBrown:

/usr/share/mythtv/sql/mc.sql

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wagnerrp:

just 'mysql < whatever.sql', and then set up permissions

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JacobBrown:

ok cool thanks I thought I had already looked in /usr/share, but I guess I missed it

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wagnerrp:

thats all you should have to touch with mysql

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JacobBrown:

oh wow this looks way different

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wagnerrp:

i didnt mean to be rude, but there are a fair number of people who come in here without having read a scrap

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wagnerrp:

mythtv isnt something you can just jump in to

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clever:

like i did when i had no idea what i was doing? ;P

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clever:

wound up with an acient 0.18

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JacobBrown:

wagnerrp: the guide I'm reading is http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php

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clever:

was only trying to get the webcam to function

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JacobBrown:

wagnerrp: I guess my problem might be that my mysql server already had a root password and those instructions tell you not to use a root password

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oobe:

this seems to be a common issue with mythbuntu not installing the database

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JacobBrown:

or maybe my dpkg failed

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JacobBrown:

I'm at the point where it's asking my my IP address and I'm wondering if it can use hostnames instead of IP addresses because my network is all DHCP, but hostnames always works

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Dagmar:

It actually doea install the db

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DarkDrgn2k:

Hey guys

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Dagmar:

...but the people who attempt to install it piecemeal never read the install docs.

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wagnerrp:

nope, IPs only

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DarkDrgn2k:

what do you think is a better distor to have a backend master server on.. Fedora or Debian

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DarkDrgn2k:

or which one

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JacobBrown:

Dagmar: I'm reading a doc

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Dagmar:

"a" doc.

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wagnerrp:

look into setting up your DHCP server to hand out static IPs for certain MAC addresses

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JacobBrown:

wagnerrp: that's too bad, they should add that feature

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Dagmar:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/

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Dagmar:

Static leases are dead easy

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JacobBrown:

yeah I can setup reservations I guess.... but my hardware changes soo often (MAC address), but my hostnames don't

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Dagmar:

JacobBrown: The hardware you're running myth on won't be changing that often, I'm sure.

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Dagmar:

...and it's not like you can't set up static leases for the equipment you know you have.

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DarkDrgn2k:

so guys, what should i run

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DarkDrgn2k:

fedora, debian, ubuntu>

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Dagmar:

This is the recommended way of doing things for servers that are "nailed down", so to speak

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JacobBrown:

well, I planned on setting it up on all my systems, with one system being a DVR..... not sure if I can do that yet though

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Dagmar:

JacobBrown: The *important* one is the backend. That one needs a static lease. I'm sure you're not installing the backend on all your stuff.

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Dagmar:

That would be a very bad design decision.

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JacobBrown:

oh so only one mythtv box needs to be the backend?

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Dagmar:

\The frontends can waffle around on whatever IPs they want to, within reason

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DarkDrgn2k:

JacobBrown: only boxes with tuners need back ends

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JacobBrown:

oh that's great

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Dagmar:

Yeah, hold on and I'll point you at something else that will help getting up to speed

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wagnerrp:

the backend holds the tuner cards, the frontend is connected to the TVHHO

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Dagmar:

JacobBrown: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview

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Dagmar:

That right there will give you a bird's eye view of how it's supposed to work

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wagnerrp:

damned keyboard

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JacobBrown:

well, I don't have a tuner yet.... I was thinking about getting this network tuner thing so that I can access it from any of my mythtv boxes

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Dagmar:

It should eliminate a lot of confusion

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Dagmar:

JacobBrown: The executive overview will make you aware of how wrong attempting to do that would be

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DarkDrgn2k:

sooo what distro :-P

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wagnerrp:

JacobBrown: if you get an HDHR, you will access it from one single machine

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wagnerrp:

mythtv wants dedicated access to hardware

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Dagmar:

DarkDra: If you have to ask, MythBuntu

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DarkDrgn2k:

Dagmar: no dont want a out of the box

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DarkDrgn2k:

Dagmar: i compile svn fixes

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Dagmar:

More to the point, only the backends would ever access the tuner directly.

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wagnerrp:

if two backends try to hit the same HDHR at the same time, tears will ensue

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Dagmar:

No "mythtv box" i.e., a frontend, would ever touch a tuner

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DarkDrgn2k:

Dagmar: running fedora now.. but wondering if debian would be better

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DarkDrgn2k:

fc8

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JacobBrown:

well crap then

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JacobBrown:

now I don't know which tuner I want to buy :(

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wagnerrp:

DarkDrgn2k: its all a matter of preference, what youre comfortable with

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Dagmar:

DarkDrgn2k: do you LIKE spending a lot of time trying to figure out how to fix OS/distribution problems?

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Dagmar:

Because if the answer to that is yes, you probably want Gentoo.

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wagnerrp:

slackware people will tell you to use slackware, gentoo people will tell you to use gentoo, LFS people are just crackheads

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DarkDrgn2k:

Dagmar: lol nooo gentoo takes way to long :-P

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Dagmar:

If the answer to that is no you probably want whichever distro has binary packages of Myth and that you _know reasonably well_

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: I won't tell him to use Slackware

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DarkDrgn2k:

personaly i like fedora (used to it with all the redhat and cenots distros ive been foreced to work with)

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DarkDrgn2k:

but i hate the large overhead of stuff i think think i need

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DarkDrgn2k:

ie: pulse audio..

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Dagmar:

I think the LFS people either don't really want to watch TV, or they want an excuse for why they spend so much time watching TV ("but I spent a hundred hours getting this thing working, we're going to enjoy it or die trying!")

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: ok, well i know of two guys who used to be roommates that suggested slackware for any and every purpose

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DarkDrgn2k:

i have a strange feeling there are sother packages that just add to overhead that i really isnt required

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wagnerrp:

of course this was maybe 8 years ago

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: They've never been forced to support their recommendations..

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Dagmar:

FFS 8 years ago there was mainly just Slackware, Debian, and "begging to be pwned"

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DarkDrgn2k:

i'd like to do a slackware box one day.. just to make a tiny fingerprint for a front end.. but i dont have the time for it...

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** DarkDrgn2k rememebers installing slackware from floppys! **

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DarkDrgn2k:

gooo 386!

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Dagmar:

DarkDrgn2k: That's going to be the case for all distros equally until you know what you're doing to a level that would be counterproductive to just trying to watch some TV

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DarkDrgn2k:

Dagmar: please... i have like no time to watch tv.. this is for fun :-P

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JacobBrown:

so I need a tuner with at least two tuners, stable drivers that work with suspend/hibernate, and ATSC. What should I get? I thought the HDHR looked good because if one of my systems was down, I could just connect to it from another

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DarkDrgn2k:

Dagmar: well no.. i like the odd Heros or somethign episode recorded

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DarkDrgn2k:

Dagmar: i just want to re-do my currenyl myth backend as its totaly screwed up with all the junk i put on it..

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DarkDrgn2k:

Dagmar: so im trying to figure out what the best way to do it would be

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Dagmar:

To wipe the disk, install MythBuntu, and then don't put a lot of other crap on it

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Dagmar:

Not joking at all

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DarkDrgn2k:

Dagmar: i want to use fixes thought..

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DarkDrgn2k:

can i compile myth of mythbuntu?

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Dagmar:

So install the -dev packages, learn how to make .debs instead of just typing `make install` and again, don't throw a lot of extra crap on it

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Dagmar:

You should be able to if you install the -dev packages that get you the header files.

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Dagmar:

I mean, the MythBuntu guys compile on MythBuntu as far as I know

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JacobBrown:

So only one mythtv box can be the backend and only one can be the tuner?

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DarkDrgn2k:

JacobBrown: no

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DarkDrgn2k:

JacobBrown: you have as many backends as you have computers with tuners

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DarkDrgn2k:

JacobBrown: typically it is onyl one

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Dagmar:

The biggest thing you should probably focus on if you don't want to wind up in a "I've got all this extra crap on the machine" mode again, is simply how to construct (or just modify someone else's) .deb file so you can construct cleanly installable packages that can be cleanly _uninstalled_

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Dagmar:

...and it ain't really that hard to take someone else's .deb, make a few changes, and type the one command that'll turn it back into a new binary installable.

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DarkDrgn2k:

Dagmar: i could use a VM ware to create teh debs right?

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Dagmar:

JacobBrown: read the executive overview again

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Dagmar:

DarkDrgn2k: Why would you want to bother going to that trouble?

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JacobBrown:

DarkDrgn2k: cause I was thinking it would be nice that if my DVR system was asleep in the other room, and I just wanted to watch the news in my office, couldn't I connect directly to the tuner myself?

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DarkDrgn2k:

Dagmar: for one bleading edge drivers..

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Dagmar:

I mean, you *could* do it in a VM, but that would mean installing MythBuntu in the VM

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JacobBrown:

ok good... vmware

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Dagmar:

Bleeding edge drivers and VMs don't mix.

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DarkDrgn2k:

Dagmar: yeh i know.... i was thinking of somethin else there

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DarkDrgn2k:

JacobBrown: connect what directly to the tuner?

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Dagmar:

...and if you're talking about bleeding edge anything, then you're losing your focus and you're just going to wind up with "a bunch of extra crap installed" again if you're not careful.

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DarkDrgn2k:

JacobBrown: and remember, you can set myth to send WAKE commands to the DVR in the next room :-P

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Dagmar:

If you're installing -fixes, then just stick with the stable drivers unless you know of a specific bug that newer versions will address.

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DarkDrgn2k:

Dagmar: yeh .. i know.... so ill stick with fedora

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DarkDrgn2k:

Dagmar: as this is more of a hobby then anythign anyway :-S

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Dagmar:

Adheere to that, and your life will be relatively pleasant, even building from source

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wagnerrp:

JacobBrown: its usually easiest to just have your backend always online

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wagnerrp:

then if you want to access mythweb remotely, you actually can

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DarkDrgn2k:

JacobBrown: just remember this is a PVR not a tv program

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DarkDrgn2k:

JacobBrown: there is a slight delay in changing channels!

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wagnerrp:

if you want to shut a machine down, shove the backend somewhere in the basement, and have a frontend that can turn on and off

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DarkDrgn2k:

JacobBrown: also remember if you set anyting to record.. your SOL if its off

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JacobBrown:

DarkDrgn2k: I haven't yet tested wakeonlan on this motherboard.... I guess I should do that soon if I'm going to make this the DVR. Do people normally use suspend or hibernate on their boxes? I guess suspend would be better if I wanted it to wake up quickly

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DarkDrgn2k:

JacobBrown: i use spin down the hd and dont turn of :-P

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JacobBrown:

DarkDrgn2k: I read somewhere that mythtv can automatically wake itself up with the acpi wakeeup timer for schedules?

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DarkDrgn2k:

JacobBrown: donno woub that

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wagnerrp:

JacobBrown: thats correct

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DarkDrgn2k:

JacobBrown: but myth has to be on to run the scheduler, or run fill myth db.. or do eit scans..

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wagnerrp:

if it goes idle, it can set a wakeup timer and shutdown

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DarkDrgn2k:

wagnerrp: huh.. what will you guys think of next!

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wagnerrp:

DarkDrgn2k: thats been a feature as long as ive been arounhhd

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DarkDrgn2k:

wagnerrp: never herad of it.. and i been using myth sice.. like 16 or 17..

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DarkDrgn2k:

wagnerrp: but then again im sure theres allot i dont know

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DarkDrgn2k:

wagnerrp: havnet had time to sit down and learn QT to help with the devel..

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wagnerrp:

i started near the end of 0.17

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DarkDrgn2k:

wagnerrp: but i really want to

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DarkDrgn2k:

i think i did end of 17 to

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JacobBrown:

mythtv uses qt?

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DarkDrgn2k:

JacobBrown: mythfrontend usses QT for its interface

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JacobBrown:

sweet!

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DarkDrgn2k:

JacobBrown: truck usses the new qt4 while previouse ones uses qt3

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DarkDrgn2k:

.sorry

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DarkDrgn2k:

backend usses qt as well

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DarkDrgn2k:

(forgot it does mysql and stuff with it ..)

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JacobBrown:

that's what I've been using for the past few years for work/fun projects

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DarkDrgn2k:

.. i just never learned qt...

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DarkDrgn2k:

we learned moffit in school :-S

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wagnerrp:

mysql, and for various system calls and structures

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JacobBrown:

QT is soo much better than GTK+

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DarkDrgn2k:

hmm

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DarkDrgn2k:

Kernel > 2.6.22 and higher use /sys/class/rtc/rtc0/wakealarm

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DarkDrgn2k:

Kernel < 2.6.21 and lower use /proc/acpi/alarm

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JacobBrown:

I don't know why all of my friends are still using GTK

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DarkDrgn2k:

im running 2.6.23.14–107.fc8

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DarkDrgn2k:

i have /proc/acpi/alarm not wakealarm

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JacobBrown:

moffit? is that like motif?

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DarkDrgn2k:

sorry been a while ago

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DarkDrgn2k:

i ment motif

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DarkDrgn2k:

we did both raw and motif.

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JacobBrown:

yeah it's been a long time since I've seen anyone use motif

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DarkDrgn2k:

lol

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DarkDrgn2k:

yeh

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DarkDrgn2k:

i really wanan learn qt

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DarkDrgn2k:

but i been to busy doing php programming latly.

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DarkDrgn2k:

and .net

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JacobBrown:

it's pretty easy to learn once you realize it's not really C++, it's C++ + moc

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DarkDrgn2k:

moc?

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JacobBrown:

they have they're own C++ precompilers

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DarkDrgn2k:

huh.. i see

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JacobBrown:

so some of the code you use is moc macros

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DarkDrgn2k:

hmm

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JacobBrown:

like they have foreach() { } loops

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DarkDrgn2k:

that will be a bit of a learning curve

[06:39:15]

JacobBrown:

it's pretty easy if you know C++

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DarkDrgn2k:

yeh

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JacobBrown:

or whatever else language you might use that QT supports

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DarkDrgn2k:

lol

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JacobBrown:

I hear it's good in python, but python kinda annoys me

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DarkDrgn2k:

i just finished pathcing together mythweb so i can use the flash player on my wii :)

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DarkDrgn2k:

lol

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DarkDrgn2k:

tast about all the mods i did to myt

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DarkDrgn2k:

h

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JacobBrown:

mythtv can covert videos to flash videos?!

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DarkDrgn2k:

JacobBrown: mythweb has an "experimental" feature to let you stream a recording to a flash player

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wagnerrp:

no, but mythweb + ffmpeg can

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DarkDrgn2k:

JacobBrown: .. as wagnerrp pointed out it usses ffmpeg to on-the-fly encode the flv

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DarkDrgn2k:

JacobBrown: kinda cool i use it to watch stuff from afar :)

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DarkDrgn2k:

JacobBrown: if your smart... you can wathc live tv too

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DarkDrgn2k:

JacobBrown: you just set it to record what you wanna wathc.. then start wathing the recording as its records :-P

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xris:

DarkDrgn2k: the flash version on the wii can't play video

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xris:

although I'm very curious how youtube can do it

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wagnerrp:

well finally after four hours...

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wagnerrp:

the walls of my case have all been lined with split corrugated cardboard

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wagnerrp:

the power supply mounts bored out, and replaced with silicone grommets

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wagnerrp:

and the hard plastic feet replaced with silicone ones

[07:27:32]

wagnerrp:

to hear it over the other computers in my room, have to be about 4" from the back

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wagnerrp:

and now to take it downstairs and see if it holds true in a relatively silent room

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DarkDrgn2k:

xris: simple.

[07:37:56]

DarkDrgn2k:

xris: the software that comes with MythWeb is pure opensource

[07:38:05]

DarkDrgn2k:

xris: made with swif (or something simmilar)

[07:38:12]

DarkDrgn2k:

xris: it requires a higher version of flash to play

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DarkDrgn2k:

xris: you tube uses a play that supports a lower version (i think its 6)

[07:38:58]

DarkDrgn2k:

xris: i pached my mythweb by embedding a wii compatible flash player

[07:39:06]

DarkDrgn2k:

xris: so now my wii CAN play flash fomr mythweb :)

[07:39:56]

DarkDrgn2k:

xris: problem is with the versioniong.. and version 6 only supports macromedia flash, whihc is not freely available .. so the myth developers will not use it as it breaks the nature of having a completly free myth tv.

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DarkDrgn2k:

lol i knew i saw your nick some where :-P

[07:43:07]

DarkDrgn2k:

" * @author $Author: xris $"

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kormoc:

jesus h christ, use a pastebin for the love of god...

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DarkDrgn2k:

:-S ?

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kormoc:

ooh, that looked very much like a irc log copy and paste...

[07:45:00]

DarkDrgn2k:

my verbal diariha?

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DarkDrgn2k:

sorry..

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DarkDrgn2k:

xris: anyway i made a patch file of the changes i scrounged togeter and it seems to work, donno if you want a copy of them....

[07:46:23]

DarkDrgn2k:

xris: right now i screwed up and it patch is backwardes (-R apply it lol)

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wagnerrp:

if you really want to just talk to xris, we have this thing called 'private chat'

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DarkDrgn2k:

wagnerrp: and its a common fact you dont pm some one

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DarkDrgn2k:

wagnerrp: or you risk getting you nutz hannded to you on a silver platter

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DarkDrgn2k:

wagnerrp: (unless you ask them for permission to private first lOl)

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DarkDrgn2k:

anywa im off

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DarkDrgn2k:

nite guys

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** xris apparently missed a good conversation. heh **

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dustybin:

LOL http://www.kxan.com/dpp/news/Road_signs_warn_of_zombies

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mag0o:

man, i changed *something* on one of my frontends with a 5200, and now the playback is *much* clearer. only problem is, i was 3 sheets to the wind when i changed it, so i don't recall what it was...

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mag0o:

question: i'm currently using storage groups and have 4 groups set up /mythtv/storage/[1–4] I got a 1tb drive i want to use to replace the multiple disks, what would be the best way to move the data around and reconfigure mythtv with the least amount of headache?

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sphery:

mag0o: MythTV doesn't store the location of the recordings files in the DB, so you can move them around within directories within a storage group without any consequences

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mag0o:

thats what i wanted to confirm, thanks

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sphery:

mag0o: And, since if it can't find a recording within the directories of the specified storage group, it looks through the directories of all the storage groups

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mag0o:

ah

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mag0o:

i remembered reading the thread previously about upgrading to a 1tb drive with storage groups but didnt remember what the outcome was

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sphery:

mag0o: So, basically, you can put the recordings in any directory within any storage group as long as the host that recorded the directory can access the file through some directory specified in one of its storage groups (i.e. don't move recordings to a different host)

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sphery:

s/recorded the directory/recorded the show/

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mag0o:

hehe

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mag0o:

now, i wonder if the kids/wife can do without recordings while i do this :)

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sphery:

Yeah, copying 1TB of recordings takes a long time.

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sphery:

I highly recommend using rsync to do it--it gives nice progress reports automatically with --progress

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sphery:

works even for local copies

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mag0o:

well, currently its only about ~475gb of ~800

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mag0o:

yeah, i do remember that part from the thread

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sphery:

so, that will take half of a long time :)

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mag0o:

hehe

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mag0o:

now, i just need to come off the cash to buy a decent ota antenna instead of the 2x4 and romex

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sphery:

I have a nice antenna, but my signal strength decreased signficantly a few months ago. I need to come off the couch and go up in the attic to see if I can figure out what's causing the issue.

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mag0o:

im only getting around 40–55% strength, so sometimes recordings are nice, and sometimes not, hence the need to come off the $$

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mag0o:

ive got friends further out than me that get much better signals than i do

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gbee:

heh, re-recorded Fight Club on Film4 the other night because the recording I made last year from BBC Three wouldn't lossless transcode – big difference between the two http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/Fight%20Club%20BBC.png http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/Fight%20Club%20Film4.png

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gbee:

Film 4 have for some bizarre reason gone with a letterboxed in 16:9 animorphic which crops off 1/3 of the picture, BBC went with a full screen 16:9

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mag0o:

hehe

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gbee:

think I'll keep the BBC recording and just wait until the transcoder bug is fixed

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gbee:

iamlindoro, does your recording to mythvideo stuff copy over the seektables, bookmarks and cutlist?

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mag0o:

recording to mythvideo? sounds interesting

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sphery:

gbee: Though I can't say for sure, I think it does... I remember Anduin's mentioning that list of things to him.

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sphery:

(he'll probably be awake in a few hours to tell you, though... Saturday/West Coast US :)

[14:14:22]

mag0o:

is the record to mythvideo a user job, or patch? i'm looking at gossamer -users for it, but don't see it jumping out at me (if its even publically available)

[14:15:23]

gbee:

patch for trunk

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gbee:

unavailable yet

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paulh_:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6158

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mag0o:

ah

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mag0o:

something to look forward to with .22 :)

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gbee:

guess, I was wrong there's the patch

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gbee:

reminds me that I was going to add a 'Build Seektable' option to mythvideo

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sphery:

mag0o: it's actually recording to MythTV, but allows you to move it to MythVideo (for archival)

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mag0o:

pretty interesting idea

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sphery:

gbee: would it be done by filetype? janneg said that he fixed mythcommflag --rebuild to work with MPEG-2, again, but I don't know if mythcommflag --video does... (And, now I wonder what would happen with other types--MKV, AVI, ...)

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gbee:

sphery: haven't thought that far, all my videos are DVDs (requiring no seektable) or recordings, I haven't thought about the torrent brigade

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sphery:

so that's where the people always talking about those file types get them.

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gbee:

generalising a little but yes ;)

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sphery:

gbee: I'm /really/ starting to like Captain_Murdoch's idea for a new binary to replace some overlapping/confusing functionality ( http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/325528#325528 )

[14:24:35]

sphery:

gbee: and, if you wait for GreyFoxx's MythVideo storage group patch, you might even be able to let MythVideo place seektable jobs into the JobQueue ( http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/306836#306836 --i.e. using the args column)

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sphery:

I know, you're running out of things to do, so waiting is tough, but... ;)

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sphery:

Guess I should be writing the patch that allows mythcommflag to do a seektable rebuild through the JobQueue... That would be a very useful addition for 0.22.

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gbee:

putting them into the jobqueue was what I had in mind and the idea depended on GF's change to move videos to a backend storage group

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gbee:

done properly I'd also have the seektable generating app (be it mythcommflag or something else) post events back so we can track progress

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gbee:

not a priority btw, but a feature I think mythvideo sorely misses and one which would make the internal player even more attractive than it already is for use in that plugin

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sphery:

Currently the JobQueue status is supplied by the app into a column in the DB. Were you thinking of something different for the addition?

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sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/127470#127470

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sphery:

gbee: so, with -j, mythcommflag updates the status and comment fields in the jobqueue table... since it's a separate binary, we'd probably have to go through the DB, anyway, right?

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gbee:

something more proactive, even it that means an jobqueue event dispatcher than monitors for updates in the database or polls the apps for their status

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gbee:

s/than/that/

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sphery:

so jobqueue (in mbe) would poll then send events to connected mfe's, which could display status updates or whatever?

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gbee:

yup

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sphery:

cool

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gbee:

progress bars and/or percentage text for in-progress jobs etc, and not just in the status screen but in any screen where it would be relevant, e.g. watch recordings

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sphery:

For iamlindoro's copy/move file from dir to dir/SG to SG/host to host functionality, I had thought of adding events to show status. Of course, Captain_Murdoch said he had either already done the copy/move functionality or at least has a very good start on it, so I don't know whether that part is included.

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gbee:

so Terra, for example, could display a progress bar in addition to the transcoding icon for a recording

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sphery:

nice

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gbee:

mtd is an example of how it could be done

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gbee:

anyway, you know me, I talk a lot but how much of it really gets done?

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gbee:

suppose I'm half hoping that someone else will take the idea and run with it, which makes me no better than the people I berate every other day

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laga:

gbee: you get lots of your stuff done

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GreyFoxx:

gbee: Are there any examples I can look at of a mythui popup being showduring a loop and the loop waiting for th result to continue ?

[14:57:56]

justinh:

gbee: you get way more done than I could ever even pretend to – but I'm trying. Yeah, very trying

[14:58:19]

GreyFoxx:

I want to ask a user questions during aloop but forthe life of me I can't find a simple example of it :)

[14:58:37]

justinh:

2 hours to render 2 seconds of 1080p frames this morning & the end result is awful

[14:59:37]

justinh:

and I have to operate on my backend at some point today because I'll not get another chance for ages

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GreyFoxx:

gbee: You are hardly lazy :)

[14:59:59]

justinh:

new PSU, new HDDs & a general hoover out of the case

[15:00:57]

GreyFoxx:

justinh: At some point today I need to put in card in oneof them, but with so many drives and cables i the case I don't know if I have room. I'm tempted to leave i just out exposed and notput it back in the case

[15:00:59]

justinh:

I've not given up on that mythuibuttonlist stuff just yet either. I'd still really like to at least make it do my bidding. if it needs some cleanup then que sera

[15:01:46]

justinh:

the problem here isn't lack of willingness, it's not knowing (a lot)

[15:02:48]

justinh:

need some focus. learning the ways of blender & trying to learn to code at the same time isn't going to make anybody very productive in either area

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justinh:

GreyFoxx: one of the reasons for me meddling with my backend is to fix the rootfs. it's not very well. I could probably fix it but it's long overdue a bunch of distro updates

[15:05:59]

justinh:

so just going with a new install & I'll file the old hdd on a shelf :)

[15:06:27]

[Peter]:

has anyone tried to decode DVB-S2 channels with the latest mythfrontend. I got a S2 card working and got a stream out of it. but mplayer fails at the video part.

[15:06:52]

[Peter]:

but perhaps mythfrontend can do it, but I don't want to upgrade unless I know it can handle it

[15:08:35]

justinh:

try ffplay :)

[15:09:05]

[Peter]:

hm, only audio

[15:09:21]

justinh:

what sort of content are these s2 channels anyway? I suspect h.264 which will tax all but the gruntiest CPU unless you have VDPAU

[15:09:49]

justinh:

ffmpeg -i $filename will tell you

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[Peter]:

Seems stream 1 codec frame rate differs from container frame rate: inf (1/0) -> 90000.00 (90000/1)

[15:10:23]

[Peter]:

Input #0, mpegts, from 'test.mpg':

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[Peter]:

Duration: 00:01:48.2, start: 70719.520256, bitrate: 11414 kb/s

[15:10:29]

[Peter]:

Stream #0.0[0x280]: Audio: mp2, 48000 Hz, stereo, 256 kb/s

[15:10:29]

[Peter]:

mpeg1?

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[Peter]:

Stream #0.1[0x200]: Video: mpeg1video, 90000.00 tb(r)

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[Peter]:

justinh: the CPU can handle h264. I can play downloaded 1080p material without any issues

[15:11:32]

justinh:

h264 != h264

[15:11:33]

[Peter]:

but mpeg1 sounds wrong

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[Peter]:

doesn't the latest mythfrontend use VDAPU anyway?

[15:12:30]

justinh:

word to the wise – there's a lot of '1080p' out there which can't really be compared to a) broadcast material or b) material on HD discs – in terms of both bitrate and encoding method

[15:12:40]

gbee:

GreyFoxx: we don't loop with mythui, everything has to remain non-blocking

[15:12:46]

justinh:

[Peter]: it _can_ use it, if you have it

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sphery:

what 1080p material? Is it 1920x1080? Lots of downloads (at least the legal ones, such as movie trailers) are 1920x816, which is only about 3/4 as hard to decode (assuming a given bitrate and all).

[15:12:55]

GreyFoxx:

ugh

[15:13:09]

GreyFoxx:

I understand the reasoning

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[Peter]:

sphery: I don't think the channels are 1080p anyway

[15:13:17]

GreyFoxx:

jst makes asking a series of questions a pain :)

[15:13:21]

[Peter]:

sphery: only 1080i and 720p

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justinh:

[Peter]: my frontend could play '1080p x264 files' just fine, but give it say BBC HD & it really has to work hard

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justinh:

and BBC HD is only 1080i

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[Peter]:

justinh: okay, what CPU do you use?

[15:14:13]

justinh:

core 2 duo mobile 1.6 Ghz ish

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[Peter]:

ah. I use a c2d 3.1

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GreyFoxx:

I could just default it to show an informational popup at the end and say "I'm not removing files from the following unreachable backends. Please remove their sSG's if they no loner exist" or something like that

[15:14:31]

justinh:

the difference is the bitrate :)

[15:14:35]

justinh:

among other stuff

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GreyFoxx:

yeah, I guess that would work

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[Peter]:

yeah, but 3.1GHz should handle it :). it can do that infamous killer_sample

[15:15:19]

justinh:

[Peter]: so maybe there's stuff in the streams from dvb-s2 which needs a newer library

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jamesd_:

google has started giving out a 404 error on the redirect page now

[15:15:35]

justinh:

broadcasters get away with moider

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[Peter]:

justinh: yeah. so if anyone has a 0.22 frontend I could give you a stream and see if it's playable?

[15:16:03]

sphery:

Myth definitely doesn't have support for it: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5882

[15:16:08]

gbee:

GreyFoxx: or break the looping method up into smaller chunks, A displays the popup, the event on closing of the popup calls B to do the task, which then calls A for the next file etc

[15:16:32]

justinh:

[Peter]: I haven't yet experienced the joy of VDPAU. my development machine is a laptop with Intel graphics

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kambei:

justinh: Isn't there an impending Intel-based solution?

[15:19:21]

justinh:

kambei: in the same way that the sun going supernova is impending, yes

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[Peter]:

sphery: yeah, it all seems like a giant pain in the ass. kind of a shame when the drivers are working

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kambei:

justinh: Did I imagine reading about it? Maybe I am mistaken.

[15:20:01]

justinh:

[Peter]: it's gonna need a whole big chunk of effort to make DVB-S2 nice

[15:20:19]

justinh:

kambei: we've all read about how great it's _going_ to be but we've yet to see any evidence of anything

[15:20:40]

justinh:

it'll be very nice I'm sure but I'm not gonna wait for it

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kambei:

justinh: Oh, okay. I was pretty sure that I did read such a thing.

[15:21:30]

justinh:

you did, but nothing in terms of 'hey look at our great video acceleration, play these samples & marvel at how little CPU is used because the decoding is offloaded to the GPU'

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kambei:

justinh: Right. My memory on the subject was pretty vague.

[15:22:33]

sphery:

kambei: you're thinking of VA-API, which is supposed to be the vendor-independent, much-more-capable replacement for XvMC. The VA-API push is being led by Intel.

[15:22:43]

justinh:

they're very busy with other things, those Intel folks. Besides I'm not sure there's much (if any) Intel video hardware with the innards to handle h,264 offloading

[15:23:10]

sphery:

But Intel was very displeased when both ATI and NVIDIA decided not to wait on Intel's pipe dream and created their own proprietary approach.

[15:23:15]

kambei:

Maybe that's it. I really don't remember. I was reading it within the context of an Nvidia-related discussion.

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sphery:

So, to make VA-API useful, they've recently announced that VA-API will make use of VDPAU (for NVIDIA) and XvBA (for ATI).

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justinh:

nvidia, ATI & Intel all want people to adopt their idea of what the common API should be AFAIK

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sphery:

Funny thing is that nvidia and ati's approaches are very similar--because they're both based on their MS/DirectX approaches. VA-API was the odd-man out.

[15:25:34]

sphery:

But, if they actually get VA-API using VDPAU and XvBA, then apps will likely use VA-API (one API for all cards is always a good thing).

[15:25:57]

sphery:

the above being, "as I understand it"

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kambei:

I guess we'll see.

[15:27:27]

justinh:

it's ok for MS, they have everybody over a barrel :)

[15:27:41]

justinh:

it's either 'make it directX' or else :)

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

seems tatters got lost between #mythtv and here

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mchou:

so has anyone had luck with nvidia 180.xx drivers at all?? It's like a roach motel for me

[15:32:31]

sphery:

I'm using 173.14.12

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mchou:

all you can eat bugfest

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[Peter]:

not being able to resume from suspend is a big showstopper for me

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mchou:

at the rate nvidia is going they cant possibly screw up any further

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gbee:

depends on VA-API exposing all the features of both APIs

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sphery:

Showstopper? Couldn't you just power off or leave it running instead of suspending?

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sphery:

gbee: Yeah, I'm hoping that it will. If not, it will just mean confusion for the end user (who could then pick VA-API and some stuff works, but some doesn't).

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mchou:

I'm not even wooried about suspending at this point. Just dont want crashing

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mchou:

yeah, I'd trust Intel to come up with decent APIs. Not.

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mchou:

that's like saying ATI knows how to write drivers

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** justinh wonders if his local computer shed sell IDE CF adapters **

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justinh:

wait.. maybe just a USB stick instead. this'll be a divergence from my usual netbooting. it's all a bit of a palaver

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sphery:

mchou: I've heard good things about ATI's latest drivers. I may even be installing them on my new laptop. Of course I'm having a problem doing so as it seems that the installer requires X, which requires and X driver (and the VESA driver doesn't work on the chip and...)

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mchou:

haha

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mchou:

all this video display stuff is depressing

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BenB:

justinh: yes, USB memory sticks make most sense.

[15:46:21]

mchou:

nobody has an implementation that works like butter

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BenB:

justinh: esp. given that most BIOS can boot from them.

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sphery:

And since Ubuntu and the like allow you to create a bootable USB disk (which is /so/ much better than Live CD's)...

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BenB:

justinh: you can put only the bootloader (GRUB can do PXE boot), the kernel (with root=nfs:/...) or the whole OS on them.

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BenB:

sphery: how does ubuntu do that?

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mchou:

BenB: it's not difficult

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mchou:

syslinux with iso over loopback

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mchou:

or just raw files (instead of iso)

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mchou:

I'm actually surprised not all distros do this now

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mchou:

livecd is so passe

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justinh:

heh quite

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justinh:

it likely won't be any faster than netbooting, though it'll do away with waiting for dhcp

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mchou:

you dont do this because it boots faster or anything

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quinten:

so i'm running trunk and i was trying out vdpau

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DarkDrgn2k:

i'd love to figure out how to build a small linux distro to install on a 2 gig flash card :)

[15:56:23]

quinten:

but i can't get it working. i have an 8200 motherboard. this is supposed to be supported, afaict, yes?

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mchou:

you do this because you dont have admin overhead of administering a terminal server

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justinh:

quinten: you need the very newest nvidia drivers, likely newer than your distro provides

[15:56:54]

quinten:

i set the playback profile to vdpau/vdpau and i just get video errors, or really slow, stuttering playback

[15:56:58]

quinten:

180.25

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DarkDrgn2k:

quinten: there is a floppy disk you can make that can jumpstart the Ether Boot :)

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mchou:

DarkDrgn2k: there is nothing to figure out. 1GB is enough.

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DarkDrgn2k:

mchou: what distro might i ask..

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DarkDrgn2k:

mchou: fedora is to bulky for that..i tried :-P

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mchou:

DarkDrgn2k: man squashfs

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DarkDrgn2k:

?

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sphery:

DarkDrgn2k: Ubuntu/Xubuntu/Kubuntu all have a "Create USB Flash boot disk" option (or soemthing to that effect)

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quinten:

this is my vdpau profile: res < 1280 x 720, vdpau & vdpau. if res > 0x720, vdpau&vdpau. i've tried w/ w/o deinterlacing

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mchou:

even fedora should fit (although I've never tried Fedora myself)

[15:59:19]

sphery:

DarkDrgn2k: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/

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[Peter]:

justinh: seemed as ubuntu 8.10's ffmpeg was too old, debian unstable can decode it just fine

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DarkDrgn2k:

sphery: my compaq flash is not a usb . its ide :-P\

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quinten:

i get "serious error detected in video output"

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sphery:

DarkDrgn2k: and you can't just do an install from a LiveCD to it?

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mchou:

quinten: you better double check 8200 supports vdpau

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quinten:

is this a bug, or am i misconfiguring something?

[16:01:38]

quinten:

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=123091, it is listed

[16:01:47]

DarkDrgn2k:

sphery: yesa i can.. fedora is just to big... even with everythign turned off...

[16:02:08]

mchou:

DarkDrgn2k: dude. squashfs

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mchou:

DarkDrgn2k: there's no way even bloaty fedora is that large

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sphery:

Hmm. I don't know how big Ubuntu is. I've only used it on LiveCD and USB flash startup disk (but in both cases it's < 700MB :)

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DarkDrgn2k:

mchou: ok w/o X it will injstall .. with x forget it.. i couldnt beleave it iether

[16:03:10]

DarkDrgn2k:

mchou: but ill keep that in mind.... thanx

[16:03:16]

mchou:

DarkDrgn2k: I dont know what crack you're smoking

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DarkDrgn2k:

mchou: *shrug* all i know is i had a problem installing it on a 1 gig flash card!

[16:03:55]

DarkDrgn2k:

mchou: right now im more concered with my backend.. wanna re-do it

[16:04:05]

mchou:

DarkDrgn2k: that's not exactly a testimonial of your skills

[16:04:22]

DarkDrgn2k:

mchou: wasnt sopposed to be.. just telling it like it is....

[16:04:45]

DarkDrgn2k:

mchou: and as i said im not focusing on this right now... last time i did it i had to install bebian cause fedora was un co-operative...

[16:04:55]

** sphery wonders why a LiveCD has to run so many shutdown scripts **

[16:05:51]

mchou:

because it has to unmount itself and eject

[16:06:22]

mchou:

no different than any other shutdown

[16:09:03]

mchou:

wow, wd has 2GB drive on the market now

[16:09:14]

mchou:

umm, TB*

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sphery:

Guess that make sense... I'd have built mine so it only unmounts external filesystems and doesn't worry about eject (so it doesn't need to shut down any processes using its filesystem).

[16:09:19]

DarkDrgn2k:

yeh but its $$$

[16:09:28]

DarkDrgn2k:

i just picked up the 1gb black edition.. realy nice :)

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sphery:

but for general use, making it eject makes more sense

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DarkDrgn2k:

any one here try the mythtv win32?

[16:11:19]

DarkDrgn2k:

port

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jamesd_:

i bought 4GB microSD devices for like $4... and a 144GB fcal drive for $40... what use would be a 2GB harddrive be... ooh. it hold 20 minutes of hdtv, or 3 cd's...

[16:11:43]

DarkDrgn2k:

jamesd_: he corrected and said TB

[16:11:59]

jamesd_:

okay.. i take it back.. didn't see his fix...

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DarkDrgn2k:

:)

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sphery:

Yeah, with a 2TB WD Green for $300 and a 1.5TB Seagate for $129.99, I'll have to decide between pleasing my cheap side or not being made fun of by iamlindoro .

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DarkDrgn2k:

carefull with the seagates.

[16:13:12]

DarkDrgn2k:

their firmware fails!

[16:13:22]

iamlindoro:

Hey, don't drag me into this, You have to decide between "having data" and "having not data"

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DarkDrgn2k:

one day you boot and you have a 32mb Drive!

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mchou:

seagate is failbus right now

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DarkDrgn2k:

thats why they are soo cheap :-P

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mchou:

wouldnt touch them and maxtor with 50 ft. pole

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jamesd_:

sphery, but is there 2TB of u.s. tv programming worthy of being stored? perhaps if you keep the drive for 3 years of more it may fill up ;-)

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mchou:

jamesd_: well, you do have a point there

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DarkDrgn2k:

jamesd_: i backup all my DVDs as isos... saves me the need to pull dvds when i wanna watch something... gooo myth video

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mchou:

jamesd_: 2TB is a bit excessive even for myth

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DarkDrgn2k:

jamesd_: also HD is a little bigger then sd :-P

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mchou:

DarkDrgn2k: by that time H264 will be prime time

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mchou:

so no need for all that space

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DarkDrgn2k:

mchou: right now they do what.. mpeg4? or mpeg2?

[16:16:18]

mchou:

mpeg2

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jamesd_:

DarkDrgn2k, have you seen the crap that hollywood is releasing, its almost as bad as u.s. tv? ... burn after reading, *thunder... both sucked so bad i would of asked for a refund, i felt ripped off even though my son works for blockbuster and get the rentals for free...

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mchou:

*thunder?

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mchou:

what is that?

[16:16:45]

jamesd_:

tropicthunder

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DarkDrgn2k:

jamesd_: dont have an HD TV.. soo.. looks good for me :-P

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mchou:

tropic of thunder wasnt bad

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DarkDrgn2k:

oo u need quality

[16:17:14]

DarkDrgn2k:

yeh i agrea..

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jamesd_:

couldn't think of the name... tropicthunder, can't beleve they nominated it for an oscar

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mchou:

it got nominated because what's his name was great in it

[16:17:54]

mchou:

Downey Jr

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sphery:

DarkDrgn2k: yeah, I have 2 Seagate 1.5TB's that shipped with the bad firmware. Was easy to replace, though.

[16:18:47]

DarkDrgn2k:

sphery: my beef is what happens when the firmware fails AFTER you put stuff on it :-P

[16:19:37]

mchou:

yeah, good luck with your RAID w/ bad firmware

[16:19:38]

sphery:

jamesd_: and, yeah, I already have more space than I'm likely to need. (6.3TiB, but then again, with HDTV and a busy travel schedule, I can fill up 2TB pretty easily. I seem to be hovering around the 3.5TiB area)

[16:19:44]

mchou:

all bets are off

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sphery:

Yeah, since it was just TV storage for me, there was no RAID, so it wasn't really a big deal (didn't even notice the effect--I/O subsystem locking up the computer--until I read about it)

[16:20:45]

mchou:

jamesd_: so what movies in the last year did you like?

[16:21:02]

jamesd_:

sphery, wow.. i managed to fill 750GB harddrive with dual hd tuners, but i had stuff that was 30+ days old on it...

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DarkDrgn2k:

mchou: Stargate movies :-P

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sphery:

+1 for SG movies!

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DarkDrgn2k:

cant wait till the atlantis movie comes out

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DarkDrgn2k:

although i gatat say i was pissed at the last episode... they soooo rushed it!

[16:21:58]

sphery:

oooh... I hadn't heard of an Atlantis movie. I hope Dr. Beck is in it.

[16:22:39]

mchou:

jamesd_: seriously, cause I'd love some recommendations

[16:22:39]

DarkDrgn2k:

sphery: yeh the new atalntis movie is sopposed to be the spin of of a NEW series!

[16:22:52]

jamesd_:

mchou, eagle eye was great, the batman movie was good

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mchou:

bah

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DarkDrgn2k:

+1 for batman!

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sphery:

that's awesome. I didn't know what I was going to do without SG-1, SGA, /or/ BSG

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DarkDrgn2k:

sphery: yeh there still one more sg1 movie comming up too..

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mchou:

jamesd_: lol. you sound like some mindless action flick lover

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DarkDrgn2k:

sphery: although i gatta see i saw an episode of INFINITY the other day.. ugh!!!

[16:24:07]

sphery:

Dr Beckett, I guess... I'm suffering from SGA withdrawal waiting for the next season on DVD.

[16:24:20]

DarkDrgn2k:

sphery: what season you on now?

[16:24:23]

sphery:

yeah, I haven't touched Infinity, yet

[16:24:33]

DarkDrgn2k:

sphery: dont.. its a caartoon and GAG

[16:24:44]

sphery:

I've heard that it's not really worthwhile as it's not even sanctioned part of the SG universe

[16:24:51]

sphery:

season 4

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DarkDrgn2k:

sphery: season 5 is the last :(

[16:25:02]

sphery:

waiting ofr 5

[16:25:05]

sphery:

yeah

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DarkDrgn2k:

:'( i was soo sad when i realised it was the last episode

[16:25:45]

DarkDrgn2k:

i like ronan

[16:25:46]

sphery:

the promise of season 5 was the only thing keeping my Sci Fi fan alive... Now, it seems I have a new series to look forward to.

[16:25:58]

DarkDrgn2k:

yep...

[16:26:11]

DarkDrgn2k:

apperntly its somethign to do with a ship..

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jamesd_:

mchou, exactly the oposite i like movies that requie a brain to understand.. not just something that blows up everything, and requires no thought to follow.

[16:27:14]

sphery:

Yeah, when I finished the last SG-1, I couldn't believe how disappointed I was. I /loved/ the episode (and it was the perfect end to the series), but I wanted more.

[16:27:36]

DarkDrgn2k:

sphery: yeh i hear ya

[16:27:43]

mchou:

jamesd_: eagle eye and batman dont require deep though

[16:27:45]

DarkDrgn2k:

lastly i went back to b5 :-P watching all those eppisodes over agian LOL

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mchou:

thought*

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mchou:

jamesd_: you're deluding yourself if you think so

[16:28:13]

jamesd_:

iron man was excellent as well.

[16:28:44]

mchou:

jamesd_: dude. name a single non-action flick that you enjoyed

[16:28:47]

jamesd_:

mchou, they both require more thought that tropic thunder. there weren't very many movies that require any intelligence last year.

[16:29:03]

sphery:

I've been waiting for an M. Night Shamalan (sp?) movie that required as much thought as The Sixth Sense, but all have resulted in increasing levels of disappointment. (And really, The Happening? How sad that was.)

[16:29:29]

mchou:

jamesd_: I'm not going to defend ToT. But the point of that was satire, which does require thought

[16:30:42]

jamesd_:

pretty women comes to mind... but that was not made this year of course.

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mchou:

oh lord

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sphery:

I'm looking forward to Terminator Salvation: The Future Begins, but probably just because I'm really starting to appreciate Terminator thanks to T:TSCC

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mchou:

jamesd_: you're complaining about Hollywood but all the movies you've named so far have been mindless Hollywood dreck.....

[16:33:07]

mag0o:

wow, what a way to start a disk upgrade – hook up the 1tb sata, set it on the anti-static bag, power on the system, and the magic smoke comes out of the drive! !#@&@!

[16:33:17]

jamesd_:

mchou, of course i could be jaded, lately i find movies too short compared to a good book. i hate how they cut so much out of the movies.

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mchou:

mag0o: dude. that was your mistake. carge accumulates outside of the anti-static bag

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mchou:

charge*

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mag0o:

no doubt

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mag0o:

i totally flubbed that up

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mag0o:

wonder if they'll rma it despite that

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mchou:

you dont put electronics outside (on) the anti-static bag

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mchou:

mag0o: they'll rma it but most likely you get a refurb

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mag0o:

better than nothing

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mchou:

jamesd_: you're hardly jaded. You just dont have very good taste in movies.

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atmaweapon:

my usb ir receiver has become unresponsive – the red LED just stays lit. anyone have any insight on troubleshooting this issue?

[16:37:38]

mchou:

jamesd_: since your kid works at blockbuster, rent "There will be Blood"

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mchou:

jamesd_: that's based on an Upton Sinclair novel

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Mr_Grieves|:

is it just me or has the Watch Video link in mythfrontend been broken for the last couple days (on trunk)

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mchou:

jamesd_: Michael Moore's Sicko is alsp worthwhile

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mchou:

also*

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sloof3:

I'm at the point of deciding between a higher clocked C2D and a lower clocked C2Q, Some people say Linux will take advantage of four cores which will make up for the slower clock. Any thoughts?

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mchou:

sloof3: depends what you want to use the computer for

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[Peter]:

sloof3: if you need high performance out of one single program, and it's not threaded, then you're much better off with the c2d

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mchou:

sloof3: for myth right now it makes more sense to go for fewer cores at higher clock than more cores at lower clock

[17:02:46]

sphery:

yeah, as most video decoding isn't currently very much multithreaded

[17:03:13]

sloof3:

That's what I figured.

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mchou:

heck, I wouldnt even go for a c2d

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[Peter]:

mchou: then what would you get?

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mchou:

get a low TDP AMD chip (such as le1650) and 8200 mobo....

[17:04:47]

mchou:

enough to decode 1080 in SW and ready for VDPAU.....

[17:05:19]

mchou:

frys had that mobo + cpu combo for $50

[17:06:00]

mchou:

at 2GB ram for an additional $20 or so.....

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sloof3:

This is for MythTV. I was thinking an E8500. I will likely be transcoding mpeg2->mpeg4 often for OTA HD.

[17:06:42]

mchou:

sloof3: sure, then go for e8500

[17:07:00]

mchou:

but why not just mpeg2->mpeg2 lossless?

[17:07:24]

sloof3:

Even though I'll have a few TBs of storage I imagine it'll start to add up.

[17:07:42]

sloof3:

I'm a packrat for TV and movies

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mchou:

no, what adds up is the electric bill, which can be better spent on buying more drives

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mchou:

transcoding is not a 'cheap" process

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justinh:

file squirrels :(

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mchou:

one drive is about 10W.... Transcode is easily 30W

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mchou:

net difference of 20W savings

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mchou:

of course you aren't transcoding 24x7..... But the processor has higher TDP regardless

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sphery:

and HDD's are cheap these days...

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sphery:

$99.99 for a good 1TB or $129.99 for a 1.5TB

[17:20:56]

sphery:

(Notice the conspicuously-absent "good" before "1.5TB"--I'll leave it up to the reader to quality the 1.5TB's.)

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sloof3:

sphery: indeed

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sloof3:

I'm lookign at the Samsung F1s

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tank-man:

im playing the waiting game for more terrabytes

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sphery:

tank-man: WD has 2TB Green drives, now (for $299)

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sloof3:

green...

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sphery:

it's their marketing name for their low-power/"ultra-quiet" HDD's

[17:25:47]

sphery:

http://promotions.newegg.com/WesternDigital/0 . . . f620x130.jpg

[17:25:56]

sphery:

$299.99, it seems.

[17:26:04]

** J-e-f-f-A will stick with his "working quite well, thank you very much" 500GB drives for now... ;-) **

[17:27:18]

sphery:

heh, has "StableTrac", which sounds a lot like GM's StabiliTrak (but is obviously providing very different capabilities)

[17:27:39]

mag0o:

seems i'll be using power x 4 for now, until i rma this drive (once again, DOH! on my part) i think i started too early in the morning, i know better than using the anti-static bag as a place to sit an electronic!

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mag0o:

at least newegg rma'd the drive

[17:28:10]

mag0o:

now to just ship it back and wait

[17:28:30]

mag0o:

there goes my geek saturday, guess i'll get to play with the antenna and usb pinnacle stick

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mag0o:

see if i get better reception with a store bought antenna

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atmaweapon:

after rebooting my frontend, my usb ir receiver has become unresponsive – the red LED stays lit and irw doesn't detect anything. i have to stop lirc, replug the receiver, and restart lirc to detect via irw, but at that point mythtv doesn't process the inputs. any ideas?

[17:35:38]

gbee:

heh, I like the marketing for the 2TB Green ... "2TB capacity for storage-intensive programs and space hungry operating systems , like Windows Vista"

[17:35:48]

gbee:

ringing endorsement of Vista there

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J-e-f-f-A:

atmaweapon: ater you bounce lirc, you must bounce the frontend again.

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gbee:

Vista – So bloated you need a 2TB drive

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atmaweapon:

J-e-f-f-A: k, i'll try that. how about it happening at all in the first place? :)

[17:38:43]

J-e-f-f-A:

atmaweapon: Don't know... I only have Serial or MCE USB2 receivers, and don't have any issues w/them. You'll probably have to post in the lirc mailing list.

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wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: do you have problems with your mceusb2s spitting all sorts of garbage to dmesg and syslog?

[17:39:58]

wagnerrp:

somehow the gentoo build of 0.8.4 seems to have gotten itself into some sort of debug mode, and i cant get it out

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: not that I've noticed... I have 3 of them on 3 frontends. Haven't noticed any issues, I'll have to check on that. ;-)

[17:40:26]

wagnerrp:

they work fine otherwise, just annoying

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atmaweapon:

k, restarting mythfrontend did the trick. thx for the tip, J-e-f-f-A

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J-e-f-f-A:

atmaweapon: NP. Sorry I couldn't be of more help with the USB receiver...

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J-e-f-f-A:

I need to buy that "No, I will not fix your computer" shirts... Working on a friend's wintel box, found >200 viruses on it... jeeze...

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DarkDrgn2k:

J-e-f-f-A: i gave up with viruses.. 6 top antiviruses couldnt help fix mine..

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DarkDrgn2k:

CPU Fan: 2445 RPM (min = 3552 RPM, div = 4) ALARM <-does this seem wrong to you?

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atmaweapon:

J-e-f-f-A: np. i'll hit up the mailing list

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gbee:

one day they'll give in and create anti-virus viruses

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J-e-f-f-A:

DarkDrgn2k: Well, that's how I usually get them... They're running Norton or Mcafee, etc, but still get tons of viruses and spywhere...

[18:18:55]

DarkDrgn2k:

J-e-f-f-A: did mcafee, symanted, nod32, avg, avast :-S

[18:19:10]

J-e-f-f-A:

DarkDrgn2k: But this family pays me for cleaning up their box... last time they gave me $200... So I endure the pain... ;-)

[18:19:50]

J-e-f-f-A:

DarkDrgn2k: And that was a year ago...

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J-e-f-f-A:

DarkDrgn2k: I always remove the drive from their system, and scan it with a IDE->USB adapter with a known clean box (my laptop)... several times over, with several antivirus and antispyware programs. It usually takes a few days to catch everything.

[18:22:59]

Gumby:

hi all, I keep getting mythbackend crashes and in the log file it is always "*** glibc detected *** /usr/bin/mythbackend: double free or corruption (fasttop): 0xa689fe58 ***" followed by a backtrace and then a memory map. Does anyone know what this might be from?

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gbee:

packages or from source?

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J-e-f-f-A:

DarkDrgn2k: Yeah, to get rid of ALL the viruses, we'd have to remove Windoze too. ;-)

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Gumby:

ubuntu sources that I repackged

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Gumby:

I think I might be running a bit to close to my memory limit. And mythbackend dies when I max out the memory

[18:38:38]

Gumby:

I seem to be within 10MB of my memory max when mythbackend is running

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clever:

thats why i allways try to keep atleast some swap

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Gumby:

my swap is barely touch

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Gumby:

touched

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clever:

but it is enabled?

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Gumby:

Swap: 2642652k total, 4900k used

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clever:

odd

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dougl:

does anyone use ps3 to access mythtv serving up recordings <- is it possible?

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J-e-f-f-A:

dougl: My son occasionally uses the ps3's upnp player to watch myth recordings, yes.

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CRXLPY:

I have recordings set to use any available tuner. I have some recordings that sound better than others. Is there a way to id which tuner a recording came from?

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dougl:

J-e-f-f-A, did you have to do anything to configure it?

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J-e-f-f-A:

dougl: No, but he did say that it only works on the SD recordings (Mpeg2 from Hauppauge tuners) – HD recordings don't play on it – it claims they're corrupt.

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J-e-f-f-A:

dougl: (My HD recordings are just ATSC OTA HD — MPEG2)

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[Peter]:

justinh: I got the HD channels to work, no CPU issues either :)

[19:05:32]

dougl:

J-e-f-f-A, hey – thanks for the info... that is good to know

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justinh:

[Peter]: so what was up?

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[Peter]:

justinh: bad ffmpeg in ubuntu. I guess mythfrontend uses it's own version

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justinh:

yups

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J-e-f-f-A:

dougl: I don't know if the issue with HD ATSC is with the PS3, the 0.21-fixes upnp implementation, or the recordings. (I haven't tested it with my trunk test backend yet)

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J-e-f-f-A:

dougl: I would lean towards the PS3 and DLNA... but don't know for sure...

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justinh:

[Peter]: heh ffmpeg change their socks too frequently for anybody to make their own player which uses their libs

[19:11:03]

justinh:

yay my rsync is finished

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[Peter]:

justinh: something is funky with the xvideo renderer in the latest trunk though, peoples faces became cyan :) opengl works

[19:11:33]

justinh:

ati graphics?

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justinh:

oh wait no. heh

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[Peter]:

nvidia :)

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justinh:

damn. my next recording is in 10 mins, so no takey the backend to bits

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[Peter]:

I saw the same bug with totem once, they had a screwed up hue default

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justinh:

ah free after 9.30 when casualty is done

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gbee:

[Peter]: latest trunk as in checked out today?

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[Peter]:

gbee: 19789

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[Peter]:

gbee: I cheated on the frontend and got prebuilt packages

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/lcd/

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dustybin:

J-e-f-f-A: I rememeber seeing you in the morning, I can see you now, one thinks its time for a break? Otherwise you could end up like iamlindoro or justinh ...

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** dustybin carries on drinking vodka and closes irssi **

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laga:

wtf

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sloof3:

With the HD Homerun, mythTV can change the channel over ethernet right?

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sloof3:

I didn't read anything to that effect in the wiki

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dustybin:

sloof3: maybe its time to wipe the mist from your glasses and learn that mythtv can respond to commands via telnet

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laga:

dustybin: fail

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justinh:

dustybin: you forgot to close irssi

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dustybin:

Access denied.

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justinh:

killall irssi if in doubt

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mag0o:

heh

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jamesd_:

+

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jamesd_:

+

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jamesd_:

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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jamesd_:

damm cat...

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mag0o:

do power cords/cables cause interference with atsc antennae?

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justinh:

they can

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mag0o:

so general rule is to try and keep a safe distance?

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wagnerrp:

i would imagine less so than they affect analog audio

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justinh:

digital TV isn't as immune from electrical interference as analogue is

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jamesd_:

xc

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justinh:

is your question purely speculative?

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justinh:

or are you trying to root out a cause of interference?

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wagnerrp:

really? i would think the bandpass filters in the tuner would cut out anything so low as 50/60Hz powerline

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justinh:

wagnerrp: oh, electrics are awash with higher frequencies

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justinh:

a light switch can cause interference way way way up :)

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justinh:

an arcing central heating/AC controller...

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wagnerrp:

i had thought only switching power supplies and florescent lights caused higher frequencies

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justinh:

vehicle ignition systems, hairdryers... (infact anything with a motor in it)

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justinh:

_impulse_ noise

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wagnerrp:

ah, not so much the frequency but the power

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wagnerrp:

drowns everything else out

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justinh:

impulse noise (e.g. from an electrical arc) isn't usually just a single blip

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justinh:

tune an AM radio to a gap on the dial & flick your lightswitch ;)

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DarkDrgn2k:

justinh: LOL

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mag0o:

trying to figure out where to put the antenna to try and maximize signal strength

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mag0o:

putting it up in the attic

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justinh:

mag0o: as high as possible, and as outside as possible

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mag0o:

hehe

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DarkDrgn2k:

mag0o: and as far away from a tree as possible :-P

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DarkDrgn2k:

leaves kill signals!

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justinh:

a minimum of 1.5 drunks off the ground

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wagnerrp:

leaves kill signals? burn the rainforrests!

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justinh:

wagnerrp: somebody is taking care of that already :P

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wagnerrp:

mag0o: do you live in the US?

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mag0o:

yes

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mag0o:

GA

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wagnerrp:

do you have cable?

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mag0o:

yes

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wagnerrp:

plug the tuner card into the cable line

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DarkDrgn2k:

canada has no digita cable :(

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wagnerrp:

problem (mostly) solved

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mag0o:

its a pinnacle usb 800e

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wagnerrp:

yep

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DarkDrgn2k:

wagnerrp: unless hies using digital

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justinh:

hmm wonder if I have an IR leds skulling around here

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justinh:

ahh I do

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justinh:

might make meself an IR blasterifier

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mag0o:

expanded basic cable

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sid3windr:

ir skulls o_O

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mag0o:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User:Lynchmv

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justinh:

gah I'll have to rebuild lirc

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justinh:

meh

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wagnerrp:

DarkDrgn2k, mag0o: US cable providers retransmit the local broadcast channels over their line

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sid3windr:

hey justinh I just found your april 2007 presentation back :p

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wagnerrp:

even with the most basic of analog cable

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justinh:

sid3windr: ruh?

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mobius:

hi, is there a list of hardware tuners/encoders supported on mythtv for osx somewhere?

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mag0o:

yeah, the atsc tv in the bathroom picks up the channels off the line just fine, but for some reason i couldnt get them with the usb stick

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sid3windr:

justinh: mythtv_promo_april_2007_juski.mpg

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mag0o:

should i be scanning for channels that way?

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sid3windr:

was cleaning up my disks and found that ;)

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wagnerrp:

does the backend even run properly on osx?

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justinh:

sid3windr: I need to make a new one that doesn't suck

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wagnerrp:

mag0o: scan using QAM and the cable frequencies

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sid3windr:

I didn't think it sucked

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sid3windr:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

mag0o: although it is possible that tuner does not support QAM

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justinh:

wagnerrp: with network tuners, yesh :) Allegedly

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wagnerrp:

mobius: well there you go, the HDHR is your only option

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mag0o:

w_scan reports this when starting up:

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mag0o:

Info: using DVB adapter auto detection. Found ATSC frontend. Using adapter /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0

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mag0o:

-_-_-_-_ Getting frontend capabilities-_-_-_-_

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mag0o:

frontend LG Electronics LGDT3303 VSB/QAM Frontend supports

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mag0o:

FE_CAN_8VSB

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mag0o:

FE_CAN_QAM_64

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mag0o:

FE_CAN_QAM_256

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justinh:

pastebin!

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mag0o:

so i'm guessing it supports qam, assuming that info is correct

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justinh:

maybe you have too many splits on your cable already

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mag0o:

it was one off of the main

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wagnerrp:

mobius: mythtv relies on v4l-dvb for (nearly) all of its capture cards. 'video 4 linux' pretty much rules out any driver support for capture cards under osx

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mag0o:

i'll try again

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mobius:

wagnerrp: hm. ok.

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justinh:

eep. not even any heatshrink! http://www.mythtv.org/w/images/3/3d/Geoffholdenhomebrew.jpg :-/

[20:38:45]

wagnerrp:

leaving the HDHR, and possibly the HDPVR, which both use their own custom access protocols

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mobius:

what is HDHR?

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wagnerrp:

and the HDPVR code probably wont play nicely with the OSX USB system

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wagnerrp:

HDHomeRun

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wagnerrp:

network attached dual ATSC/DVB-T tunehhor

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wagnerrp:

damhhonhhoed keyboard...

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mobius:

ahhh

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wagnerrp:

maybe replacing the batteries will stop all those 'hho's...

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: wow... sloppy...

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: here's mine – http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/my_ir_blasters.jpg (really old pic, ~2 years old!)

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wagnerrp:

mobius: ive heard OSX works decently well for a frontend

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wagnerrp:

but for a backend, youre better off just throwing together an old PC, dropping linux, and all your tuner cards on it

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mobius:

so, by frontend, you mean just a player?

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wagnerrp:

just stick it in your basement/attic/crawlspace somewhere out of the way

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wagnerrp:

mythtv is split into two applications

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wagnerrp:

the backend which holds the tuner cards and records

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mobius:

i have a tiny apartment, so no place for another machine :)

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wagnerrp:

and the frontend which does all playback

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wagnerrp:

the communication between the two is network transparent

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mobius:

i may need to look into other solutions. i need to ditch this cable company DVR

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wagnerrp:

so they can be on the same machine, or they can be on two independent machinehhos

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mag0o:

so, when i connect the tuner to the cable company, how should i scan?

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wagnerrp:

cable or cable high, qam256

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mag0o:

k

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wagnerrp:

most digital channels are in cable high (channel 78 and above)

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wagnerrp:

but a couple days ago, i found CBS and NBC had been moved to my former HBO analog channel (27)

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mobius:

is there a way to determine what channels use encrypted QAM on comcast in my area? is there a list somewhere online?

[21:04:06]

clever:

which was better for mythtv reoording dir's, xfs or something else?

[21:04:11]

clever:

i know it aint ext3

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mobius:

(i'm specifically curious if SciFi is clear QAM)

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iamlindoro:

obscenely doubtful

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iamlindoro:

Your clear QAM will almost certainly be NBC, CBS, ABC, Fox, the Cw, and some random low-value channels like community college channels and CSPAN

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DarkDrgn2k:

iamlindoro:not in canada :'(

[21:06:59]

iamlindoro:

Yes, and even less in .ca

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DarkDrgn2k:

iamlindoro: less? you mean NONE

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mag0o:

i did pick up toon disney in the clear on the tv with the atsc tuner connected to the cable, so *sometimes* a somewhat valuable channel will get through :)

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DarkDrgn2k:

iamlindoro: from what i hear the only CLEAR QAMs are VOD

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iamlindoro:

DarkDrgn2k, *usually*, there are some enlightened providers

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mag0o:

depends on what you determine to be valuable

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DarkDrgn2k:

iamlindoro: unless CRTC mandates it :-S i dought we be getting anything at all over cable

[21:07:45]

iamlindoro:

At least one of our users here gets much of what he wants via QAM, in Nova Scotia

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DarkDrgn2k:

iamlindoro: hmm well i got my antenna up.. HD picture is AMAZING!

[21:08:31]

DarkDrgn2k:

iamlindoro: bettern then the pay digital cable!

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DarkDrgn2k:

iamlindoro: just my 3500+ cpu is dieing trying to play it

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iamlindoro:

That's always the way :)

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DarkDrgn2k:

yep :'(

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DarkDrgn2k:

but maybe ill wory about upgrading once i get a hd tv ;

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DarkDrgn2k:

)

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clever:

mythtv-setup is using 90% of my cpu for the past several minutes

[21:10:24]

clever:

ahh nvm it finished

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clever:

must have been theme scaling

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iamlindoro:

What *is* 90% of a 486 SX 33 anyway?

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DarkDrgn2k:

:-P

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clever:

iamlindoro: that was the 400mhz P2

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iamlindoro:

joy

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clever:

which now has 1tb of disk space

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DarkDrgn2k:

clever: YEP the stpid cards

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clever:

DarkDrgn2k: i had a realy old system where the cpu was on an ISA board

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clever:

and the cpu slot was no diff from the others

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DarkDrgn2k:

clever: i threw me XT out

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clever:

i dont know where mine went

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DarkDrgn2k:

clever: gogo MFM harddrives

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DarkDrgn2k:

clever: my 10 mg MFM was an awsome blunt wepon!

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clever:

this one had no harddrives and no ide controler

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clever:

it had a pair of 5.25" floppy drives

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DarkDrgn2k:

clever: IDE? dude back then it was MFM

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|chiz|:

Can someone help me get my MCE keyboard to work, I'm at the point now that the media keys work fine but the main part of the keyboard and the mouse do not work at all, and they don't show up in irw either

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clever:

Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on

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clever:

media:/media/videos/1tb/

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clever:

932G 1.1M 932G 1% /media/videos/1tb

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|chiz|:

maybe it's something to do with lirc not knowing to accept those key presses

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DarkDrgn2k:

/dev/sdc1 917G 483G 388G 56%

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clever:

damn you!

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clever:

:P

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DarkDrgn2k:

i put that drive in today

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clever:

sme

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DarkDrgn2k:

just moving all my backuped ISOs over to it :-P

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clever:

lol

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DarkDrgn2k:

its now been almost 24 hours LOL

[21:16:02]

DarkDrgn2k:

dam 100 mbit network :-S

[21:16:05]

clever:

i just added it as a storage group

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mag0o:

hehe, i blew up my 1tb drive this morning while i was still sleepy, trying to get it put in

[21:16:32]

clever:

mag0o: i tried connecting a small sata drive to see if i could hotplug the interface

[21:16:35]

mag0o:

set it on the anti-static bag, and *poof* out comes the magic smoke

[21:16:43]

clever:

the molex power connector arced and the whole system went blank

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DarkDrgn2k:

clever: yeh im just trying to get it moved and empty my 400g , make the 400g my primary and install a new os

[21:17:39]

clever:

i need to just balance things out some

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clever:

DarkDrgn2k: http://pastebin.ca/1323872

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DarkDrgn2k:

http://pastebin.ca/1323875

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clever:

you dont have a single drive below 4gig free :O

[21:21:32]

DarkDrgn2k:

lol

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DarkDrgn2k:

i emptied the ones that are at 1% :-P

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clever:

im starting with the drive for / so the fragmentation can fix itself some

[21:22:26]

clever:

dpkg is so slow because my package managing files are in 2k fragments

[21:22:29]

DarkDrgn2k:

you cant defrag on ext3 rioght

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clever:

not exactly, but every time you install a package, it copys the files

[21:22:51]

J-e-f-f-A:

clever: http://pastebin.ca/1323878

[21:22:53]

clever:

and the new version of the file will use the free blocks

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DarkDrgn2k:

?

[21:23:08]

clever:

having 50% free means a greater chance of all the free blocks being in 1 chunk

[21:23:12]

clever:

and so less fragmentation

[21:23:39]

clever:

J-e-f-f-A: damn u!

[21:23:39]

clever:

:P

[21:24:12]

** clever pokes a php script **

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clever:

798.1hours can be recorded

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clever:

Battlestar Galactica – "No Exi 60 SPACEC 13 23:00–00:00 1 4 11 A 4 0/ 0

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clever:

enough disk space to last until atleast that recording

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clever:

which is at the very end of the schedule

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DarkDrgn2k:

so any know of any really cool looking themes?

[21:29:00]

J-e-f-f-A:

DarkDrgn2k: There are a few in the works for trunk currently...

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: do you remember hearing about how the menu in trunk is real slow?

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DarkDrgn2k:

J-e-f-f-A: for .22 right?

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: I didn't notice that myself, but have only been tinkering a little bit on a test box. (and not for a week now, been fixing other people's PCs)

[21:31:45]

J-e-f-f-A:

DarkDrgn2k: Yes, trunk will become 0.22 when it's released.

[21:32:18]

DarkDrgn2k:

J-e-f-f-A: any good advantage of moving to trunk over fixes

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justinh:

DarkDrgn2k: Terra, and the one iamlindoro is doing. i think anykey_ is cooking something up too

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: i never noticed it on my main system, but when using the frontend on my 400mhz its realy bad

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DarkDrgn2k:

justinh: saw iamlindro's looks good

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justinh:

so you know the answer to your own question then

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justinh:

mine looks like crap, but than all of mine do

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DarkDrgn2k:

lol

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J-e-f-f-A:

DarkDrgn2k: Not for a 'production' system yet imho – the UI is still in a high state of flux. I'm fiddling with it to do development for the LCD drivers. (see http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/lcd )

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gumpert345:

hi I think about setting up a backend server with 2 dvb-s2 cards, the server will be attached to a gbit network. Will the frontend or the backend do the decoding? I planned to use a 8200 igp for the frontend and install the backend on a rather slow fileserver

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DarkDrgn2k:

gumpert345" the frontend does the decoding to play the video..

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gumpert345:

great thanks!

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DarkDrgn2k:

gumpert345: backend just does the recording.

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: Hey, I don't think your themes look like crap! You're too hard on yourself... ;-)

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justinh:

yeah whatever

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justinh:

I didn't say they looked like stools

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justinh:

oy my backend box is heavy

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: Oh, sorry, misunderstood – you were referring to the one you're working on now only... ;-)

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clever:

Jan 31 17:41:58 media kernel: [ 2816.890776] ata3.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action 0x0

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clever:

uhhhh ?

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clever:

getting this error alot and the hdd is slow...

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justinh:

J-e-f-f-A – the one I'm working on now looks like crap cos it's nowhere near finished

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: I'm sure it will be great when you finish it. ;-)

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justinh:

it'll do for me

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DarkDrgn2k:

hey the HVR1600 analog, does it work?

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clever:

and what can it receive over digital cable?

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DarkDrgn2k:

?

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clever:

the box mentioned atsc but thats broadcast:S

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DarkDrgn2k:

whatbox?

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clever:

for the HVR1600

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DarkDrgn2k:

it has an ATSC tuner as well

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DarkDrgn2k:

has ATSC NTSC and RADIO

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DarkDrgn2k:

using it for antenna now..

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clever:

but is that broadcast only?

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DarkDrgn2k:

umm i think so

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clever:

ah:S

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DarkDrgn2k:

then again i have an ATSC tuner that does QAM as well.. soo i dont know

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DarkDrgn2k:

i never tried

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DarkDrgn2k:

... dot have any clear qams here

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justinh:

right, this case needs a good vacuuming

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clever:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HVR-1600

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wagnerrp:

apparently PITA has a 'sex with vegetables' ad that NBC refused to play during the superbowl

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justinh:

arse. I forgot to take a dump of mythconverg

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wagnerrp:

whoops

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justinh:

won't stop me fitting the new PSU though :)

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wagnerrp:

why would you need to make a dump for a hardware upgrade?

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Dagmar:

But, but... if the new PSU uses differently polarized electrons, all your data might become inaccessible!

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DarkDrgn2k:

lol

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DarkDrgn2k:

is there a way to tell if a drive is SATA or IDE w/o looking at it physically

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Actually, if the machine's data is important enough one makes a backup before *every* change, but generally people are into the "large NAS unit that continually backs up everything" system by that point

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Dagmar:

DarkDrgn2k: Yes.

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DarkDrgn2k:

Dagmar how?

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wagnerrp:

check the model number, search said model online

[22:00:19]

Dagmar:

You can call 1-800–4MS-CLEO

[22:00:26]

Dagmar:

...or you can look at the model number.

[22:00:30]

wagnerrp:

didnt they go out of business?

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DarkDrgn2k:

how do i check the number?

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Dagmar:

...or the box it came in.

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DarkDrgn2k:

ugh...

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DarkDrgn2k:

figures...

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wagnerrp:

DarkDrgn2k: this is one in your machine?

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Dagmar:

Or the name of the device nodeit's accessed through

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Dagmar:

`hdparm -iI /dev/whatever` will tell you tons

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DarkDrgn2k:

wagnerrp: got to many drives.. i need to take out an IDE drive but i donno which one is which

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Dagmar:

hdparm will tell you the serial number

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JEDIDIAH__:

dmesg

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Dagmar:

smartctl will get you some of the same info

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wagnerrp:

parallelata disks are usually 'hd*', serialata (and scsi) disks are usually sda

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wagnerrp:

'sd*'

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JEDIDIAH__:

it will spit out the firmware level too (for all you seagate users out there)

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iamlindoro:

Oh!

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iamlindoro:

Myth user in the US, go to your boxes and schedule Dollhouse forthwith!

[22:02:27]

iamlindoro:

Must... not... let... Whedon... fail

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wagnerrp:

its in 2 weeks?

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Dagmar:

The important thing in this case I suspect being that the serial number hdparm will get for you will also be written on the drive label

[22:02:45]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, yeah

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wagnerrp:

yes, because our opinion matters if we are not called up by Nelson...

[22:03:10]

wagnerrp:

nelson? neilson? who does the ratings?

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Dagmar:

Nielsen

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JEDIDIAH__:

Nelson is the small guy on the big column.

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clever:

Jan 31 18:01:09 media kernel: [ 4071.093770] ata3: hard resetting port

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JEDIDIAH__:

surrounded by cats

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clever:

i dont like seeing these errors

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Dagmar:

clever: Then stop using equipment that should ahve been mothballee

[22:04:26]

Dagmar:

s/mothballee/mothballed/;

[22:04:36]

clever:

Dagmar: ita a brand new 1tb drive and a new sata->pci board

[22:04:45]

clever:

how does that belong in mothballs?

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Dagmar:

It's got a sticker on the top that says "Maxtor" doesn't it.

[22:05:08]

clever:

WD

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** JEDIDIAH__ would have thought seagate **

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Dagmar:

Either that or you're likely overtaxing your power supply

[22:05:34]

clever:

Device Model: WDC WD10EACS-00D6B1

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Whatcha think: http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/lcd/ — Is it a step in the right direction?

[22:06:10]

clever:

Dagmar: so you think the PSU is browning out some?

[22:06:15]

wagnerrp:

huh... new Office on sunday

[22:06:45]

iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, Cool! Have you put up any more patches lately (or talked to paulh_ at all? Think he's here)

[22:07:03]

Anduin:

wagnerrp: right after some football game, making it impossible to schedule

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Dagmar:

clever: might well be. There's not much that's not _dramatic_ that would cause the port to need to be reset like that

[22:07:17]

JEDIDIAH__:

how well does that last bit work if you're recording 4 things at once?

[22:07:22]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Haven't yet – and have been on the lookout for paulh, but haven't caught him yet. ;-)

[22:07:43]

iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, He's here now AFAICT

[22:07:52]

wagnerrp:

seems its a good thing i bought that HDHR

[22:07:53]

clever:

Dagmar: i can pastebin more of the errors

[22:07:59]

wagnerrp:

im tapping into the second tuner

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Dagmar:

clever: Is it doing this when the disk has been idle for awhile?

[22:08:21]

wagnerrp:

although that means i have to figure out why its getting much reduced signal than the first tuner in the next couple days

[22:08:22]

JEDIDIAH__:

HDHR: more OTA content than you thought you'd ever want.

[22:08:31]

clever:

Dagmar: im trying to write to the drive

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clever:

pushing in maybe 2–5gig atm

[22:08:45]

clever:

and mythbackend is recording to it

[22:08:56]

Dagmar:

Did you buy this new or did you get it used from someone?

[22:08:59]

clever:

http://pastebin.ca/1323907

[22:09:09]

JEDIDIAH__:

...although it's really nice not to waste a cable tuner on stuff you can pull out of the air (HDHR)

[22:09:12]

clever:

the harddrive has 0 power on hours acording to smartctl

[22:09:20]

clever:

and was in a sealed package

[22:09:33]

Dagmar:

Well, it was only recently put into smartmontools db but...

[22:09:33]

clever:

never been used

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clever:

ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE

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Dagmar:

okay. There *was* a problem with some of those drives, but you have the 3 platter version that shouldn't be affected

[22:09:54]

clever:

9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always – 0

[22:10:15]

clever:

the sata board is a using the sata_via.ko driver

[22:10:28]

clever:

which i think had similar problems over its pata interface...

[22:10:38]

clever:

could be a crappy card

[22:10:43]

wagnerrp:

JEDIDIAH__: monday i get 5 shows in 2 hours, thursday is 3 shows in one hour

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Dagmar:

I'm beginning to think so

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clever:

the card also has usb 2.0

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Dagmar:

...because "ata3.00: configured for UDMA/33" is one of those "Hello... what are you saying?" kinda things

[22:11:18]

Dagmar:

UDMA/33 you have to be kidding

[22:11:30]

clever:

Dagmar: http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/peripherals . . . aid/vt6421a/

[22:11:34]

wagnerrp:

you can run sata in UDMA/33 mode?

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clever:

thats the exact chip on the board

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JEDIDIAH__:

Occasionally, I will have both HDHR tuners recording when the PVR150 and HD-PVR are also recording.

[22:12:14]

clever:

it looks like some noname group took a pair of via chips and stuck them on a board

[22:12:31]

clever:

im getting more docs on the 2 main chips then the board itself

[22:12:51]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: I just pinged him in the dev channel... I was also putting together a web page to show the different displays based on the Time Format settings.

[22:12:55]

JEDIDIAH__:

It sounds like there needs to be posted somewhere a list... "Stuff used by clever"

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Dagmar:

Either the driver isn't up to snuff, or it's misdetecting the card, or the card is f**ked

[22:13:08]

Dagmar:

Over here..."May 7 00:26:54 ammo kernel: ata1.00: configured for UDMA/133"

[22:13:26]

Dagmar:

JEDIDIAH__: Yeah, I can buy into that, but at least this one's a tractable problem

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Dagmar:

clever: Don't worry about the tech specs on the chips on the thing unless your'e planning on deciphering the assembly code that's generated when the driver is compiled

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Dagmar:

clever: Since this is a PCI addon card, check the BIOS and make sure you dont' have anything weird set for that PCI slot

[22:14:29]

Dagmar:

If there's some deranged IRQ issue, that MIGHT cause it to screw up like this

[22:14:34]

clever:

no monitor on the system

[22:14:40]

Dagmar:

The sata port should absolutely not be initializing as UDMA/33 tho

[22:14:51]

Dagmar:

clever: So, let em put this another way

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Dagmar:

Digging around on the web for specs on the chips on the board instead of taking a monitor from somewhere else and just toting it into the room with the computer is an idiotic triage attempt

[22:15:40]

iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, Anyway, it's looking great, don't think much has been done about the LCD (at least, which got submitted) in a long, long time

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clever:

Dagmar: http://pastebin.ca/1323917

[22:16:22]

clever:

you can see that it was 133 then 100 then 33

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clever:

[ 79.485995] ata3.00: configured for UDMA/133

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Dagmar:

clever: You've got multiple things indicating that either the card itself is defective, or the motherboard hates it, or the driver is complete sh*t and even for an "open source operating system" teh drivers are seldom this much complete sh*t unless the phrase [EXPERIMENTAL] shows up next to them in menuconfig

[22:16:47]

clever:

[ 4852.884716] ata3.00: configured for UDMA/33

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Dagmar:

clever: Yeha, it's trying to start at the upper end, then getting effups, and figuring the device can't handle it

[22:17:20]

clever:

[ 2998.111471] ata3.00: configured for UDMA/133

[22:17:22]

clever:

[ 3031.211627] ata3.00: configured for UDMA/100

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clever:

it was staying in 133 until after about an hour of uptime

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Yeah, I still don't like how the 'recordings detail' screen looks, but at least it's got more detail than the 'default' one: http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/lcd/default-recording.jpg

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clever:

http://pastebin.ca/1323920

[22:19:30]

wagnerrp:

i might stand to get a bit more hard drive space

[22:19:47]

wagnerrp:

i get the feeling its going to fill up very quickly over the next couple weeks

[22:19:49]

clever:

Dagmar: do you think it would cause any data loss or does the kernel keep track of writes that failed and retry them?

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Dagmar:

clever: WTF kind of card did you buy?

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clever:

dad got it one day because of all the bells and whistels :P

[22:20:24]

clever:

sata&pata&usb!

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clever:

i cant even use the usb, the ports are rotated 90 degrees from normal and are hitting the metal arround the pci slots

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J-e-f-f-A:

and plugs right into his ISA slog!

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wagnerrp:

35 digital, another 38 analog

[22:21:20]

J-e-f-f-A:

'slot' even... dote!

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: the desktop has PCI and ISA on a large removable tray

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** J-e-f-f-A isn't suprised! **

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justinh:

I can see my usb – IDE/SATA converter is going to come in handy

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wagnerrp:

is there anything that totals up the current scheduled recording time?

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justinh:

don't think so

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clever:

wagnerrp: i made a php script using mythbackend --printsched -v none to get the whole schedule

[22:25:09]

clever:

then based on free disk space, predict when it will run out

[22:25:22]

justinh:

mmkay. time to get another copy of this dump, juuuust incase

[22:25:39]

clever:

http://www.usbman.com/Reviews/Belkin_Quafdraport_F5U006-UNV.jpg normal usb ports on a card

[22:25:53]

clever:

http://ritmotech.com.au/onlineshop/images/PCI . . . bo-CCC15.gif the backwards ports on my sata+pata+usb card

[22:26:00]

Dagmar:

clever: The kernel *should* be able to work around it, but I suspect you've just got a crappy or defective card

[22:26:03]

clever:

alot wider in the slot

[22:26:07]

Dagmar:

Everything keeps leading back to "hardware problem"

[22:26:18]

clever:

Dagmar: so its 'safe' to use until i get a new card?

[22:26:23]

clintc_home:

looking to upgrade my mythbox... need some advice for motherboard and cpu combo.. would like to get slowest processor to make it quiet, etc.

[22:26:25]

Dagmar:

...adn the thing has put both SATA ports *and* the PATA ports on it all on the same IRQ

[22:26:44]

Dagmar:

If you can disable the PATA ports on it with a jumper or something, I'd do it

[22:26:53]

clever:

Dagmar: im not using the pata port because of all the errors it gave

[22:27:19]

clever:

it also has a internal sata port, sticking out of the back for external use

[22:27:33]

wagnerrp:

not an esata port?

[22:27:41]

clever:

it looks identical to the internal port

[22:27:42]

clintc_home:

are the amd 45 watt dual core chips running at 2.5gh able to do hd?

[22:27:59]

Dagmar:

These are esata (external SATA) ports you're using?

[22:28:01]

wagnerrp:

clintc_home: yes and no

[22:28:09]

clever:

Dagmar: im using the internal port on the card

[22:28:14]

wagnerrp:

clintc_home: what kind of HD do you want it to do?

[22:28:21]

clever:

but it also has a 2nd one on the external side

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Dagmar:

clever: Well, at any rate, just because the USB ports are turned sideway doesn't meant you can't plug anything into them

[22:28:42]

clintc_home:

wagnerrp: well, the tv can do 1080p... be nice to do that if possible

[22:28:42]

Dagmar:

USB plugs are not quite as wide as the slots are

[22:28:49]

wagnerrp:

clintc_home: what kind of HD do you want it to do?

[22:28:51]

JEDIDIAH__:

wagnerrp: there's always SQL

[22:28:56]

clever:

Dagmar: yeah, but they are half covered by the case so nothing fits psysicaly

[22:29:03]

JEDIDIAH__:

...in terms of total recording time.

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clever:

but my usb enclosure has gone tits up, so i dont realy need usb 2.0 on there anymore

[22:29:24]

Dagmar:

clever: But I would just go to the store and pick up some cheap card that *just* does SATA, preferably made by a different vendor from the one you have now

[22:29:38]

clintc_home:

wagnerrp: but I have to say... the 42 minute tv shows encoded to 350megs look fine to me

[22:29:53]

clever:

Dagmar: but it should be ok until then(with crappy performance) ?

[22:29:56]

Dagmar:

clever: Unless your motherboard is mounted wrong, the PCI card should come directly up centered on that slot so you shouldn't have this "half-covered" problem

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wagnerrp:

clintc_home: so you wanted to know if it could play downloaded (pirated) TV?

[22:30:10]

Dagmar:

clever: I make no guarantees about what malfunctioning hardware will do, ever

[22:30:26]

clever:

ok

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clintc_home:

wagnerrp: no, I want to know the slowest processor that can do decent 1080p playback

[22:31:01]

Dagmar:

...although if you've got something else on IRQ 10 and have been ignoring the "CHECK THE BIOS" recommendation, it's your own fault

[22:31:18]

clever:

10: 182474 XT-PIC-XT uhci_hcd:usb2, ivtv0, sata_via

[22:31:21]

wagnerrp:

clintc_home: there is no such thing as a processor that can do 1080p playback

[22:31:23]

clever:

14: 36145 XT-PIC-XT libata

[22:31:25]

clever:

15: 0 XT-PIC-XT libata

[22:31:29]

Dagmar:

Sane men do not skip over simple tests merely because it requires them to lift and carry a 25lb monitor 50 feet.

[22:31:35]

wagnerrp:

its (nearly) all dependent on bitrate

[22:31:54]

Dagmar:

clever: Epic fail. IRQ sharing on disks seldom works with non-disk devices.

[22:32:06]

wagnerrp:

that chip will do broadcast HD using maybe half of one core

[22:32:09]

Dagmar:

Move the thing to anotehr slot where it won't conflict with the ivtv card

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wagnerrp:

that chip will also manage to do maybe 10mbps h264 per core

[22:32:25]

clever:

Dagmar: i'll have to try that when the current recording is done

[22:32:47]

Dagmar:

or *ahem* go into the BIOS and change the assignments for that PCI slot, although it depends on how many slots are in there if that's even possible

[22:32:53]

clintc_home:

wagnerrp: ok, let me ask the question another way... if you were building a new mythbox today what motherboard and cpu would you buy?

[22:32:59]

Dagmar:

...and how the slots are laid out

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** JEDIDIAH__ has his own version of mythweb that tallies up the storage used and hours of recording time for what's being displayed. **

[22:33:07]

wagnerrp:

so long as you have a video card that properly supports Xv, that chip will do anything short of HDPVR recordings or BluRay

[22:33:48]

Dagmar:

clintc_home: Pretty much any AM2+ board with some SATA ports and an 8400/8600-ish integrated card would be what I'd go for

[22:33:59]

wagnerrp:

right now? something with an embedded geforce 9-series, and a low end dual core AMD

[22:34:09]

wagnerrp:

8-series would be acceptable as well

[22:34:16]

clever:

Dagmar: another posible problem

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clever:

im recording from the ivtv to the sata

[22:34:33]

clever:

so the irq's are getting hammered in from both devices at once

[22:34:37]

Dagmar:

...although saying 8400/8600 isnt' exactly accurate since not _all_ those support VDPAU. It's more accurate, although less straightforward, to go look up what specific codenamed chips are involved to determine VDPAU support

[22:35:04]

wagnerrp:

Dagmar: all 8400s and 8600s support VDPAU

[22:35:14]

iamlindoro:

Mwaaaahahahaahah

[22:35:15]

Dagmar:

clever: Yeah, IRQ sharing works for some devices but not others, and disks are seldom those devices

[22:35:15]

iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/PBBFanart.ogg

[22:35:35]

clintc_home:

wagnerrp: ok, here is an intel option I was looking at but I'm worried about cooling fan noise

[22:35:38]

clintc_home:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetail . . . Combo.151862

[22:35:39]

wagnerrp:

and the lowest AM2 chip you can buy will still play anything you can record using 0.21-fixes

[22:36:00]

Dagmar:

You really want an AM2+ board tho

[22:36:12]

Dagmar:

At some point in the future you may wish to upgrade to a triple or quad-core model.

[22:36:14]

wagnerrp:

why such a large board?

[22:36:37]

clintc_home:

wagnerrp: the 4 year old silverstone case is atx :)

[22:36:57]

iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, Did you see above?

[22:37:05]

wagnerrp:

if youre worried about noise, get a big aftermarket cooler and a big slow fan

[22:37:31]

wagnerrp:

scythe and thermalright are my suggestions

[22:37:37]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: yeah, looking now.

[22:38:07]

JEDIDIAH__:

anyone know of a good 3rd party quad core cooler that won't require unmounting my motherboard?

[22:38:48]

wagnerrp:

JEDIDIAH__: i swapped out my old stock cooler for a ninja without pulling the board

[22:38:53]

JEDIDIAH__:

cool

[22:39:04]

wagnerrp:

in hindsight, it would have taken less time to pull the cards and board, and install the heatsink outside

[22:39:05]

clintc_home:

wagnerrp: so, would you like this over the intel option (and with a good cooler it will be quiet) : http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetail . . . Combo.153500

[22:39:09]

Dagmar:

wagnerrp: I'm paranoid and won't make that claim that "all" of them support it. The suspicious lack of an 'M' after any of the model numbers on http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x . . . endix-h.html would make me look fairly carefully at integrated boards to be sure they're say, G86 and not G86M

[22:39:17]

JEDIDIAH__:

my desktop gets hot when I've got all my cpu's busy with myth jobs.

[22:39:39]

clever:

http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/ban_gx1/Gs15.htm

[22:39:54]

iamlindoro:

justinh, If around see above link alos

[22:39:57]

iamlindoro:

also

[22:39:58]

clever:

looks like i have the 'mini tower' version

[22:39:59]

wagnerrp:

trying to install it with no room between the CPU heatsink and motherboard blocks just resoluted in half an hour of cut up fingers

[22:40:20]

clever:

'The riser board is active, incorporating PCI-to-PCI bridging.'

[22:40:26]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Nice! ;-) I like the recording indicator. ;-)

[22:40:26]

Dagmar:

Joy

[22:40:37]

Dagmar:

Leave it to DEll to make it even more complicated than it needs to be

[22:40:49]

wagnerrp:

clintc_home: i would absolutely not recommend that

[22:40:51]

clever:

http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems . . . iser%20Board

[22:40:51]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: of course, everything else too... Looking really, really good. ;-)

[22:40:57]

wagnerrp:

the chip is more than you need, and runs hot

[22:41:02]

wagnerrp:

and there is no embedded graphics

[22:41:11]

iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, It was more to shoe the fanart support in the watch recordings screen

[22:41:14]

iamlindoro:

show

[22:41:27]

Dagmar:

but it's a rally good shoe

[22:41:28]

iamlindoro:

which I cooked up using a bit of my MythVideo export code

[22:41:35]

clintc_home:

wagnerrp: says it has nvidia geforce 8 seris

[22:41:35]

clever:

http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems . . . /setupem.htm

[22:41:40]

clever:

Dagmar: yep, the bios is crippled ;P

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wagnerrp:

clintc_home: i dont see that anywhere

[22:41:58]

Dagmar:

clever: OKay, so how many PCI slots does the board have>?

[22:41:59]

clever:

Dagmar: that page shows exactly what the bios is, and i see no ir config

[22:42:15]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Ah, looks good!

[22:42:22]

clever:

Dagmar: 5 pci and 4 isa

[22:42:43]

wagnerrp:

oh, it does have integrated graphics

[22:42:45]

clever:

and im only using 2 pci cards

[22:42:48]

wagnerrp:

the specs dont list what chip

[22:42:55]

Dagmar:

Which slots do you have them plugged into?

[22:43:01]

clever:

Dagmar: let me check

[22:43:25]

Dagmar:

Since you can only have four IRQs assigned to PCI (ever, afaik) 5 slots mean that two of them are likely to be hard-wired to share the same IRQ

[22:43:45]

Dagmar:

...and that's not even taking into consideration what might be going on because the machine has (ugh) ISA slots

[22:43:49]

clintc_home:

wagnerrp: you like the intel option over this one for power and heat... the intel option has nvidia 9300 onboard

[22:44:08]

Dagmar:

clever: You might be able to get around this by simply moving one of the cards to a different PCI slot

[22:44:11]

clever:

Dagmar: pci5 and pci3

[22:44:43]

Dagmar:

So like, move one of the cards to PCI4

[22:44:45]

clever:

i suspect the sata board might be using irq-A and irq-B for the sata and usb

[22:44:55]

Dagmar:

The ones right next to each other are less likely to be sharing an IRQ

[22:45:01]

clever:

yeah

[22:45:17]

mag0o:

well, i got nothing over the cable w/ qam256 despite a tv w/ tuner getting some chans. i did move my antenna in the attic a bit higher and picked up 2 more channels, getting 9 ota now

[22:45:20]

Dagmar:

Well, on the same *card* sharing IRQs should work unless the card itself is a piece of crap

[22:45:29]

wagnerrp:

if i had to buy a new system, i would grab this board... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131354

[22:45:33]

Dagmar:

It's between different cards that you get into trouble often

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wagnerrp:

and probably a 2GHz or so dual core AMD

[22:45:54]

clever:

Dagmar: it looks more like they took 2 seperate pci chips and threw them on a single board

[22:46:01]

clever:

http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/peripherals/usb/vt6214l/

[22:46:04]

clever:

http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/peripherals . . . aid/vt6421a/

[22:46:18]

wagnerrp:

one of the 45W chips

[22:46:28]

clintc_home:

wagnerrp: I haven't researched this stuff since I built my mythbox 4 years ago... the motherboard has died so now I'm redoing it... looking at your board suggestion... thank you for the advice

[22:46:39]

wagnerrp:

if i could wait a couple months, i would hope the ION systems were out by then

[22:46:47]

Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Yeah the 4280 (weird numbered one) is pretty good

[22:46:50]

clever:

onlyspecial bit you would need to do is addjusting the io/mem maping and writing the pci config registers

[22:47:21]

wagnerrp:

clintc_home: if you want a quiet system, you should really have two separate systems, or have one system hidden through a wall with cables run

[22:47:22]

clever:

ive researched this stuff before because the bios was missing the irq routing table

[22:47:35]

Dagmar:

Thatr's because it's a Dell

[22:48:19]

clever:

Dagmar: now mythfrontend wont start

[22:48:22]

clintc_home:

wagnerrp: right, was hoping for a middle ground... it doesn't have to be silent but as quiet as I can make it

[22:48:25]

J-e-f-f-A:

"Dude, you're getting a Dell!"

[22:48:25]

clever:

the master backend clock is off by 10mins

[22:48:27]

Dagmar:

The ASUS M3N78-EM may be what I upgrade to when vdpau becomes somewhat necessary for me

[22:48:49]

clintc_home:

wagnerrp: will a micro axt board work in a full atx case?

[22:48:56]

clever:

feels like the driver is freezing the system up enough to make the clock lag

[22:48:56]

wagnerrp:

certainly

[22:49:03]

Dagmar:

I'm still a little peeved that the 7050PV chip on mine is one that only supported partial hardware offloading and is one that nVidia decided against continuing trying to use for anything but Windows

[22:49:07]

** J-e-f-f-A has the M3N78-VM, but hasn't fired it up yet... DOH! **

[22:49:08]

wagnerrp:

the bigger issue is whether it will fit all your tuner cards

[22:49:38]

Dagmar:

clever: Could be

[22:50:03]

clever:

Dagmar: ssh also keeps freezing up for seconds at a time

[22:50:09]

clever:

probly when it gets stuck in an irq

[22:50:17]

wagnerrp:

ive got three tuner cards, plus graphics, network, and modem in my backend

[22:50:19]

Dagmar:

clintc_home: You can pretty much always put a smaller board in a case (unless you're trying osmething insane like an ITX board in an ATX case)

[22:50:26]

clintc_home:

wagnerrp: have two hauppauge wintv tuners

[22:50:28]

wagnerrp:

so i needed a full board

[22:50:32]

Dagmar:

It's when you try to put an ATX board in an mATX case that you need a small hacksaw

[22:50:35]

Dagmar:

;)

[22:50:45]

wagnerrp:

two PVRs is the most you can fit in that case

[22:50:48]

clintc_home:

Dagmar: thanks, that makes sense

[22:50:56]

wagnerrp:

plus one more PCIe card

[22:51:26]

Dagmar:

clintc_home: Getting an mATX board also leaves your options open for getting "pvr-style" case later

[22:51:30]

Dagmar:

...since most of those are mATX

[22:51:45]

clever:

remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter

[22:51:48]

clever:

newrouter 209.87.233.53 3 u 2 64 7 0.554 600794. 10261.7

[22:51:54]

clever:

its getting worse by the second:S

[22:52:02]

clever:

was 580....

[22:52:15]

clintc_home:

Dagmar: I have a fairly nice (but old) silverstone atx case... it looks like a stereo component

[22:52:31]

wagnerrp:

anyway, unless you have an HDPVR or want to play bluray, mythtv doesnt need a lot of powher

[22:52:37]

Dagmar:

That reminds me I should add a few notes to my user page on the wiki

[22:52:58]

clever:

newrouter 132.246.168.164 3 u 8 64 17 0.608 600789. 8374.79

[22:53:03]

wagnerrp:

commflagging doesnt need a whole lot, nor does playback

[22:53:11]

wagnerrp:

and transcoding can be done at off times

[22:53:33]

clintc_home:

wagnerrp: right, trying to future proof it... hoping it will last another 4 years :)

[22:53:51]

wagnerrp:

and with that board, when VDPAU becomes part of a release version, playback will require no power

[22:54:13]

JEDIDIAH__:

...infact you want to do transcoding during off times since it can bog down an entire network of my boxes.

[22:55:01]

JEDIDIAH__:

s/my/myth/g ... freudian slip

[22:55:13]

clintc_home:

wagnerrp: any options for getting hd feeds into a mythbox with either dish or directTV?

[22:55:28]

wagnerrp:

clintc_home: something else you have to watch for, nearly all new cases have only a single PATA port, if you have multiple old drives

[22:55:46]

wagnerrp:

the HDPVR is the only supported option for getting HD off encrypted cable/satellite feeds

[22:55:58]

wagnerrp:

which is an analog capture box

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clintc_home:

wagnerrp: right, going to replace with drives with sata and use the pata for the dvd burner

[22:56:23]

wagnerrp:

chances are no (non-overclocked) AMD chip is going to handle the higher bitrates of an HDPVR

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wagnerrp:

maybe with the skiploopfilter patch

[22:57:06]

wagnerrp:

anyway, VDPAU and HDPVR support are both in trunk

[22:57:23]

wagnerrp:

so either you switch to trunk, and get both including offloading to your graphics card

[22:57:42]

wagnerrp:

or you wait until theyre released, and again dont have to worry about CPU power

[22:58:13]

clintc_home:

wagnerrp: right now, I use s-video feeds from my dish receivers... but, hope there will be an option for hd at some point in the future

[22:58:43]

wagnerrp:

http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr.html

[22:59:27]

JEDIDIAH__:

The only real problem with the HD-PVR is you don' t get any captions.

[23:00:03]

JEDIDIAH__:

...that and the whole "how am I going to play this recording, my frontend isn't beefy enough" problem.

[23:00:54]

Dagmar:

I'm mostly getting by with the 4600+ chip and skiploopfilter, although I suspect the majority of the problem is the place/person I was getting recordings from

[23:01:01]

khunt:

my backend only seems to be recording 0 kb files!

[23:01:18]

Dagmar:

khunt: So check it's log and see what it's saying when it tries to record

[23:01:55]

Dagmar:

find /var -name mythbackend.log

[23:02:14]

khunt:

i did it says its recording

[23:02:17]

clintc_home:

wagnerrp: that is a sweet option.. but, I havn't seen a dish receiver with component video out... does anyone know of such a beast?

[23:02:27]

Dagmar:

It's going to be saying more than that when it truncates the output file

[23:02:31]

wagnerrp:

clintc_home: im sure they exist

[23:02:40]

gumpert345:

I want to use a NC62K with 8200 igp it got only a dvi out, will I be able to attach a hdm – dvi adapter and send the audio data to my TV via HDMI using mythtv?

[23:03:07]

Dagmar:

gumpert345: Considering that's all hardware-level stuff, should be

[23:03:25]

khunt:

for the time of program but when the recording finished there is nothing but a 0 kb filed

[23:03:46]

khunt:

i use a dvi to hdmi converter and it does not pass sound

[23:03:47]

Dagmar:

What distro are you using?

[23:03:49]

wagnerrp:

gumpert345: there are some $200 muxers that will add audio into an HDMI feed

[23:03:52]

khunt:

mythdora

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wagnerrp:

but the standard $0.50 converter will not do that

[23:04:09]

Dagmar:

khunt: That's because DVI doesnt' output sound. You will need a cable that goes from your sound card into your DVI->HDMI adapter.

[23:04:14]

wagnerrp:

nor will the DVI port on the video card

[23:04:32]

Dagmar:

If your DVI->HDMI adapter has no place to plug in sound, then no you can't send sound to the TV with it and you'll just have to connect the outputs from your sound card to the TV

[23:04:37]

khunt:

i know that dagmar just letting the guy know. I use an amp on spdif

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khunt:

back to recording woes

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, justinh: http://www.fecitfacta.com/PBBFanartBannerCoverart.ogg

[23:05:18]

gumpert345:

bad news, thanks for the advice though

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khunt:

I think it is possibly due to card firmware/drivers

[23:05:58]

wagnerrp:

whats the little rotating icon indicate?

[23:06:09]

wagnerrp:

currently recording?

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Dagmar:

khunt: What input device are you using?

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Dagmar:

...and have you bothered to verify that you can actually get video out of your source to begin with?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, yeah

[23:06:46]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Tough to tell at that resolution, but there is an "R" in the center fading in and out

[23:07:07]

iamlindoro:

Transcode it same idea in blue, with a T

[23:07:08]

Dagmar:

If you're using say, a USB tuner and it's not sending video, then there's not going to be anything to record to disk. Along those same lines if the device isn't *sending* video to the backend, then the backend isn't going to see a major problem with writing 0 byte files

[23:07:09]

iamlindoro:

is

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Dagmar:

Might be that's where the problem lies

[23:07:48]

wagnerrp:

yeah, i can see a white blob, thats about it

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iamlindoro:

good enough to internet sharing, anyway :)

[23:08:13]

khunt:

dagmar i am a fool

[23:08:19]

Dagmar:

eh?

[23:08:26]

Dagmar:

Forgot to plug in the USB tuner?

[23:10:03]

justinh:

iamlindoro: I quit. seriously

[23:10:38]

justinh:

there's now _really_ no point me continuing concept

[23:10:38]

khunt:

no

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iamlindoro:

justinh, Hey now, the whole idea to writing the stuff is so everyone can use it (the fanart/coverart stuff)

[23:11:05]

khunt:

i unplugged my mast head amp psu to run a tile cutter!!

[23:11:12]

Dagmar:

heh

[23:11:12]

iamlindoro:

justinh, My stuff only flashy because of the gnarly patches I've written, when/if they get in I expect to be put in my place :)

[23:11:16]

Dagmar:

That's a new one. :)

[23:11:34]

khunt:

i feel a bit silly now

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khunt:

lol

[23:11:49]

justinh:

iamlindoro: nah, I'd only use different icons. that's all I'd change about that theme now. f'ing rocks

[23:12:12]

iamlindoro:

justinh, Well, I think you need to continue concept :)

[23:12:39]

justinh:

I think I need to finish stuff I frickin start, sure

[23:12:45]

clintc_home:

man.. It will be $249 for hdpvr and $299 for hd dish receiver with component video out, and an hd subscription fee... all it takes is money :(

[23:13:01]

steglasi:

hi all.. I'm trying to get my STB working with mythtv, and am having limited success... It's a Scientific Atlanta 4250HD... Channel changing over firewire works fine, but getting a video stream is very erratic.. most times I get nothing (no lock/timeouts/etc).. In 2 cases I've gotten video, which after some channel changing, seems to stop... I've googled all over the place to no avail... any thought

[23:13:01]

steglasi:

s from the community?

[23:13:21]

iamlindoro:

justinh, And besides, I *know* that there are more people out there who prefer your approach than my random paint splotches on the screen-- were it not for the metadata I'd be themeing useless :)

[23:13:38]

justinh:

iamlindoro: it's what I've always wanted

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justinh:

more metadata

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justinh:

metadata is everything

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iamlindoro:

It is when you're my caliber of artist :)

[23:14:18]

Dagmar:

justinh++

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iamlindoro:

Anyway, I hope even if my patches aren't exactly what makes it in, that something more or less closish makes it in there

[23:14:49]

justinh:

I'm kind of on hold til the buttonlist can have different heights for selected/unselected items

[23:15:08]

iamlindoro:

oh, how's that going>

[23:15:09]

iamlindoro:

?

[23:15:12]

justinh:

and on hold til I bosh off this backend upgrade

[23:15:17]

justinh:

new hdds, new psu

[23:15:27]

iamlindoro:

ah, I see

[23:15:42]

Dagmar:

justinh: You can't just pad them with transparent areas? ...or are you looking to have the list itself shift around on teh screen?

[23:18:43]

clintc_home:

wagnerrp: do you like this processor to go with your board rec: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103272

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Dagmar:

clintc_home: Start with the 45W chips if you can, man

[23:19:29]

justinh:

Dagmar: I could, but I won't.

[23:19:41]

justinh:

besides, tricks like this will be nicer for lcars

[23:19:44]

Dagmar:

justinh: Okay, that's fine.

[23:19:51]

Dagmar:

Kinda what I was thinking

[23:20:03]

justinh:

I know what I need to do

[23:20:08]

Dagmar:

I don't like the idea of the pieces juttering around, but a slow zoom would be asking too much

[23:20:11]

justinh:

I just haven't done it yet

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justinh:

heh

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khunt:

why do i not get the option to wath my video library on my other frontend? Just recordings in media library menu

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iamlindoro:

Taht implies you've not installed mythvideo there

[23:29:15]

clintc_home:

Dagmar: 45 watt amd chips and a proper video card will be good for hd into the foreseeable future?

[23:30:13]

Dagmar:

Yeah

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khunt:

iamlindoro, you implications are correct good sir installing it now

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Dagmar:

Once you've got VDPAU on your side the CPU power issue becomes a *lot* more tractable

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Dagmar:

...but HEAT generation can make a sizeable difference in what you can get away with in a caswe

[23:31:45]

Dagmar:

Raw CPU power can *easily* play back SD content, and it doesn't even need to be that much CPU power

[23:32:07]

clintc_home:

so this and a gig of ram and I'm good to go? http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetail . . . Combo.153498

[23:32:19]

Dagmar:

HD puts the CPU requirement up *really* high (4x the math is still 4x the work) without hardware accelleration

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Dagmar:

THis will sound crass, but...

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khunt:

I have a 2.5 ghz dual core with 4 gig of ram for my backend and sd doesnt even touch the sides

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Dagmar:

You've got a motherboard that costs $179 and I don't see "blowjobs" listed in the specificcations of what it can do.

[23:33:20]

gumpert345:

I thought about a Sempron LE-1200 for HD playback with an 8200 igp is this too optimistic?

[23:33:38]

khunt:

i payed Â£30 for my board lol

[23:33:41]

Dagmar:

I've got three of those 4850e CPUs. They work great

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clintc_home:

Dagmar: hah.. yes.. ok.. got to run for now... will keep looking

[23:36:59]

J-e-f-f-A:

clintc_home: Not sure if the onboard 8300 is VDPAU capable, but this would be my choice if it is: http://www.fecitfacta.com/PBBFanartBannerCoverart.ogg

[23:37:48]

Dagmar:

Between using the page on Wikipedia to find out what codename the chip is, and the listing tat's in the VDPAU section of the nVidia driver readme you should be able to figure that out

[23:38:14]

Dagmar:

...at least I've found no more direct way of determining it without actually having the hardware and testing it than that

[23:40:06]

gumpert345:

I asked around and some guy at phoronix told me its even capable of pv3

[23:40:29]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ok, the wikipedia Nvidia_PureVideo article lists it as: Geforce 8200, 8300 G98 VP3 — which suggests it is VDPAU capable...

[23:40:43]

Dagmar:

Yeah, G98 is what you'll see on the nVidia README for hte driver

[23:40:47]

Dagmar:

So it should work

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khunt:

ok so i installed mythvideo on my other frontend now I can see my videos but they do not play back? Do I need some special codec or something they were ripped in mythtv

[23:41:39]

J-e-f-f-A:

I've got the M3N78-VM (mATX) with on-board 8200, haven't fired it up yet, too busy fixing other people's computers the last week and a half...

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Dagmar:

khunt: You need to make the recordings available on the other frontend via an NFS or Samba mount

[23:41:46]

Dagmar:

...in the same place they would appear on the backend filesystem

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khunt:

done that

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Dagmar:

hmmm

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khunt:

the vids are there but when i select one it doesnt pla

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khunt:

y

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J-e-f-f-A:

khunt: can you play them on the remote frontend with mplayer?

[23:42:42]

Dagmar:

See what the frontend log is saying

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khunt:

where does the frontend log reside?

[23:43:10]

Dagmar:

Depends on if you made it keep one iirc

[23:43:52]

Dagmar:

I *think* it just spews things to stderr/stdout so you might need to do a mythfrontend 2>&1 > logfile.txt thing

[23:43:56]

J-e-f-f-A:

khunt: Just exit from the frontend, then start it from a shell prompt – ie "mythfrontend -v most" (or even leave off the -v most initially...)

[23:46:06]

justinh:

hrm. mysql didn't start

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sphery:

khunt: if you don't specify -l /path/to/logfile , mythfrontend outputs to stderr/stdout.

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justinh:

and when did anybody decide that quiet booting was a good idea?

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sid3windr:

THAT

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sid3windr:

is a very good question

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** sid3windr also removes "quiet splash" from any ubuntu commandline... I prefer not to be taken for a windows user **

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sid3windr:

hehe

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iamlindoro:

I must admit that the kernel modesetting magic is attractive to me for purposes of building a true "appliance" style mythbox

[23:50:25]

justinh:

hrm. can't even start mysql manually

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justinh:

wtf

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iamlindoro:

justinh, not being bit by the network applet bug?

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iamlindoro:

oh, never mind, you weren't touching software

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khunt:

log says diddly about watching vid

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justinh:

ruh? mysql-server wasn't installed

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khunt:

last thing in there is about loading theme

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J-e-f-f-A:

!seen high-rez

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MythLogBot:

high-rez is here and has been idle for 4 days 18 hours 11 minutes 32 seconds

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gumpert345:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/PBBFanartBannerCoverart.ogg this is awesome! Is it a new mythtv theme?

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