Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, January 30th, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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sphery:

NBC affiliate, I think

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iamlindoro:

yep, NBC

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meshe:

hmmm

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sphery:

I can't find the other 2-color anaglyph... Something with a Y (for the yellow color)

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iamlindoro:

sphery, That sounds like it'll look *awful*

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meshe:

ahhh, there it is

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sphery:

huh, just yellow/blue, which makes sense now that I think about it.

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sphery:

red/cyan (where cyan = green + blue)

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sphery:

blue/yellow (where yellow = red + green)

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meshe:

yay mythweb

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BassKozz:

If I use "deb http://uk.weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org/mythbuntu-trunk-0.22/ubuntu intrepid main" and apt-get mythtv will it have VDPAU enabled, or do I have to build w/ "--enable-vdpau --enable-opengl-vsync" to get that?

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iamlindoro:

Heh at #6187 being called an "enhancement" when it's a feature request without patch

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sphery:

If you look through Yellow/Blue glasses at a Red/Cyan anaglyph, it makes your brain hurt.

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jamiem:

sphery: LOL

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jamiem:

surprised you didn't fall over

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sphery:

It was definitely weird. Brain trying to compensate for totally messed up image that's different colors in different eyes.

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jamiem:

cheaper than LSD

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sphery:

true

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sphery:

none of wikipedia's anaglyphs are yellow/blue

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jamiem:

they're quite rare afaik

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sphery:

yeah, wonder why Intel, Dreamworks, and NBC chose yellow/blue

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jamiem:

something to do with hueness

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directhex:

BassKozz, those packages have vdpau enabled. does your driver?

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jamiem:

less aggravating to the eye or something

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BassKozz:

sphery: try this: http://tinyurl.com/cmsld4

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sphery:

http://nzphoto.tripod.com/sterea/anaglyphRC_YB.html

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BassKozz:

directhex: yup, I am using the latest from nvidia 180.22

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sphery:

BassKozz: thx

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BassKozz:

or latest stable I should say

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BassKozz:

sphery: np, ;-)

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iamlindoro:

.22 is two drivers ago

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Dagmar:

Yelllow/blue is less jarring to the eye than read/blue or red/green

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sphery:

sure is dark through the yellow/blue lenses

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sphery:

hope they crank the brightness on Chuck

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directhex:

yeah, .22 is OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLD

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Dagmar:

The key thing is that they all look pretty awful with anything other than line-drawings

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BassKozz:

iamlindoro: 180.22, is the latest stable according to: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=122606

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jamiem:

sphery: if it's any consolation; looking at yellow/blue with red/blue glasses is a bit trippy, too

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sphery:

heh

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iamlindoro:

BassKozz, You said latest stable, only amended as I hit enter

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iamlindoro:

er said latest

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directhex:

ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/180.27/

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iamlindoro:

anyway, as always, stable driver != stable VDPAU, it is still a (dangerous) tech demo

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Dagmar:

Flaming shards of phosphorous-coated glass in your EYES, man

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iamlindoro:

but as we've all learned this week, telling people not to do whatever it is they want to do is against open-source and we're all horrible nazis

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iamlindoro:

but the trains have been showing up on time

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sphery:

found a site where you can illegally download Jaws 3D (the movie)

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BassKozz:

hehehehe, sorry for being a passanger :p

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BassKozz:

Gas me now

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directhex:

iamlindoro, has the awesome fork taken over the world yet?

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sphery:

seems Amityville 3-D (which I saw in theaters a few *cough* years ago) used yellow/blue

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iamlindoro:

directhex, needs MOAR HDPVR BACKPORTZ

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directhex:

iamlindoro, and mythui

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: HEhe see the cmment that now he hopes devs will accept bug reports on the backported vdpau ot fixes stuff

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GreyFoxx:

Considering even vdpau in trunk bugs are not being accepted...

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, ugh, not yet

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jpabq:

http://www.hulu.com/watch/52947/chuck-sarah-sizzles

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, oy, just saw that. Someone should say something... but won't be me

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: If only we could convince people that VDPAU/HD-PVR/ffmpeg sync/LATM/AAC backport to -fixes doesn't mean any more stability/robustness than just running trunk.

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iamlindoro:

jpabq, I love that chick

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GreyFoxx:

sphery: hehe yeah

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iamlindoro:

jpabq, She's better in HD

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: it's just causing people who don't care for the extra work involved in an unstable build to ignorantly switch to an unstable version

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jpabq:

She's better in person!

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sphery:

wonder how she is in 3D?

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sphery:

I'll know soon enough

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directhex:

curvy?

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BenB:

jpabq: you met her?

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jpabq:

I need to find some glasses.

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GreyFoxx:

sphery: yup, and they will expect/assume it will be supported

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iamlindoro:

She could only be better in person if she was perpetually in bra and boyshorts

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jpabq:

Nope, but she has to be, right?

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jpabq:

I bet the 3d glasses are gone from everywhere.

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iamlindoro:

You just KNOW they're going to do the once-per-episode Yvonne Staafhsdklfahajhdfas viewing to play up the 3D :)

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Dagmar:

Wait what?

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Dagmar:

Are they doing a Chuck in 3d?

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iamlindoro:

And that even if the rest of the episode were flat, boring, and people playing cards, so long as her boobs pop off hte screen, it'll be a roaring success

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar, yes, monday

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Dagmar:

HELL yes

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GreyFoxx:

Dagmar: Yeah, that should be fun :)

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iamlindoro:

Can get glasses at Sobe Drink stands

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Dagmar:

I can make the things

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Dagmar:

I've still got scraps of the gels from the last time

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meshe:

Should a display's supply of glasses run out or if a retailer near you does not carry the glasses, consumers can call 1-800-646–2904 to obtain a pair for free.

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sphery:

yeah, I wondered about shipping

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quinten:

i called that number last week and i still don't have any glasses

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quinten:

they didn't charge for shipping though

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directhex:

"In the meantime, if you're driving in Austin, you can rest assured: There are no zombies ahead."

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, that's what they WANT you to beleive

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iamlindoro:

Then how can you explain the brainectomy I got?

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BassKozz:

GOD DAMNIT !!! even using trunk I can't get my damn HDHomeRun to work :-(

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BassKozz:

Timeout — no tables

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iamlindoro:

*cough*

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directhex:

iamlindoro, because it was free with a 24-pack of brawndo?

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iamlindoro:

directhex, On the other hand, my thirst is mutilated

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directhex:

iamlindoro, so are your braaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnssssssssss

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iamlindoro:

It was like having sex with a tractor trailer in a parking lot

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iamlindoro:

and now I need new pants

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directhex:

those ads are brilliant

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wagnerrp:

BassKozz: can you get the HDHR to scan using the command line utility?

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iamlindoro:

It's like taking an elevator with 68 cougars, which is an actual sport in Latin America.

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Dagmar:

I've seen the websites I think

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vontrapp:

has anyone seen issues with random blanking on dvi-hdmi connections?

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vontrapp:

the tv will blank out at random intervals, then say "HDMI 1" like it was just switched to it

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JEDIDIAH__:

trunk is not the answer for your HDHR troublues.

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directhex:

vontrapp, what brand of tv?

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vontrapp:

sylvania

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vontrapp:

GeForce4 440 vid card

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BassKozz:

wagnerrp: yes, I can even get it to work in XP virtual machine, I can play channels and everything, but MythTV keeps giving me "Timeout Scanning — no tables" :-(

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BassKozz:

I've already opened up a support ticket w/ Silicolon Dust

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BassKozz:

but they can't figure it out either :(

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wagnerrp:

does the multi-core scanning issue apply to the HDHR too?

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BassKozz:

multi-core?

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wagnerrp:

do you have a multi-core/multi-processor/multi-threaded box?

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BassKozz:

nope

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BassKozz:

P4 2.4ghz

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BassKozz:

maybe HT

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wagnerrp:

so.... you have a multi-threaded box

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quinten:

vontrapp: that sounds like a hardware problem

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quinten:

maybe even a cable issue

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wagnerrp:

quinten: the HDHR works with other software, its not a hardware problem

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vontrapp:

i just got the cable

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vontrapp:

1m dvi-hdmi

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vontrapp:

i've never seen the tv do this before with other inputs

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wagnerrp:

anyway, try running mythtv-setup with the cpu affinity wrapper

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quinten:

vontrapp: if you have another device that outputs hdmi, maybe it's worth trying it with that cable

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vontrapp:

i don't

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vontrapp:

i doubt i could come up with one either

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wagnerrp:

quinten: sorry, didnt see the second conversation going on

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BassKozz:

wagnerrp: was the 'cpu affinity' comment for me?

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quinten:

wagnerrp: np

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vontrapp:

i have poor friends and family

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wagnerrp:

BassKozz: yes

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vontrapp:

(i myself am poor too, i only have the tv because i won it :)

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wagnerrp:

run 'taskset -c0 mythtv-setup'

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BassKozz:

will do... brb

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quinten:

vontrapp: i'm just saying, that sign means the signal to the tv is broken. most likely, it means there is no output. that's definitely below the level of mythtv, at least ordinarily

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quinten:

unless it's just the screensaver

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wagnerrp:

BassKozz: i know that applies to DVB cards, but i dont know if its the entire scanner, or just DVB cards

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vontrapp:

oh i'm not blaming mythtv, but here seemed like a good place to find some knowledge on the issue

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Gumby`:

hi all. Ive created a new backend server with a new mythconverg db but something in mythweb is still connecting to my old database or backend (I cant tell which yet). ie: I've compeletely created a fresh mythconverg db yet mythweb recording schedule still shows all my old schedules (it should be blank given I havnt set any up yet with the new db). Can anyone suggest what I might have missed ?

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clever:

Gumby`: you need to change the dbhost setting in the apache config

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vontrapp:

should i try adjusting the cable? the other input? returning the cable for another?

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quinten:

vontrapp: actually i guess there's a decent chance that it's the screensaver

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Gumby`:

clever: thank you. I'll look for that

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BassKozz:

wagnerrp: nope, same prob

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quinten:

have you disabled it?

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vontrapp:

no, it happens too frequently to be screensaver, and too randomly

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vontrapp:

unless screensavers do such strange things

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quinten:

not normally

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quinten:

there are only a few things in that connection. maybe it's the video card, but i'm guessing an hdmi cable is cheaper to replace

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vontrapp:

killed the screensaver

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vontrapp:

it flashed right after i did it

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vontrapp:

let's see if it does it more

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quinten:

you can also turn off option dpms in your xorg.conf

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vontrapp:

i'd like to avoid that, but if it fixes it...

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vontrapp:

what's the cli to turn off dpms without restarting x?

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BassKozz:

wagnerrp: http://www.silicondust.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6343

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BassKozz:

Someone mentioned a firewall issue, but I don't have a firewall in place

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quinten:

xset

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squish102:

is a D-Link MediaLounge DSM-520 any good as a frontend for mythtv?

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vontrapp:

still flashes with no screensaver running :(

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GreyFoxx:

squish102: Not if you ever wanna handle h264 or mkv and such

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BassKozz:

The odd thing is, is that every channel shows an 85% or more signal too

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quinten:

vontrapp: i guess you could also try running from a bootcd

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GreyFoxx:

but if it's mainl xvid avi's and mpeg2 it's fine

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quinten:

vontrapp: eliminate possible software issue if the problem is happening that frequently

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squish102:

thanks GreyFoxx, they going for $100

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squish102:

still may not be worth trying them

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GreyFoxx:

I'd spend another 80 and buy a popcorn hour

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quinten:

vontrapp: if that doesn't fix it, the problem is likely with the hdmi input on your tv, the cable, or your videocard. cable seems easiest to try replacing

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squish102:

yip me too

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squish102:

i would jump on a PH if it was $100

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vontrapp:

blast, i stopped the wrong xserver

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vontrapp:

strange, it does seem to flash every time i kill the screensaver

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GreyFoxx:

vvvfvgvfcfccxc ccdcfvgvhbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb

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vontrapp:

but then it continues it's random flashing even after

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GreyFoxx:

\\\\\

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phunyguy:

well hello there!

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GreyFoxx:

'n n \jngnbghnmjnjn nm n nmjnm mmmmmm

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directhex:

cat attack!

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vontrapp:

well that time around killing didn't flash

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vontrapp:

hmmm

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iamlindoro:

! GreyFoxx's_cat

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iamlindoro:

!trou GreyFoxx's_cat

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BassKozz:

hehehe, does this happen often

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iamlindoro:

god damn it

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directhex:

give up, iamlindoro

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iamlindoro:

!trout Greyfoxx's_cat

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** MythLogBot slaps Greyfoxx's_cat with a trout on behalf of iamlindoro... **

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iamlindoro:

THANKYOU

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directhex:

bedtime.

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iamlindoro:

How dare the Bierdobot not read my mind

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BassKozz:

!trout MythLogBot

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** MythLogBot slaps MythLogBot with a trout on behalf of BassKozz... **

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BassKozz:

sorry I just had to

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waterfoul:

I was looking at buying tvcard for use with myth tv in fedora, any suggestions/experiences?

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BassKozz:

For what source ?

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BassKozz:

cable/sat/antenna

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waterfoul:

Cable in the US and I would prefer that it puicks up both analog and digital

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waterfoul:

picks

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BassKozz:

HD or SD

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waterfoul:

HD and SD

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BassKozz:

High Definition or Standard Def?

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waterfoul:

Both

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** JEDIDIAH__ suggests getting 2 different devices. one for digital and one for analog. **

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BassKozz:

Well what ever you do don't go with a HDHomeRun

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BassKozz:

because it doesn't work...

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BassKozz:

Just kidding :p

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JEDIDIAH__:

what's not to like about the HDHR... just sit it on the home network (if you have one)

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BassKozz:

JEDIDIAH__: I am just playing around, I can't get mine to work...

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JEDIDIAH__:

I had a cheap ATSC card that eventually did nothing by panic my backend.

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BassKozz:

waterfoul: Check out this: http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr.html

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waterfoul:

ok lets say i'm going digital only

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JEDIDIAH__:

OTA/QAM is a fickle beast

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JEDIDIAH__:

...and "test hardware" isn't exactly cheap.

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waterfoul:

thats why I was asking here for those that woked well

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waterfoul:

woked=worked

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J-e-f-f-A_:

JEDIDIAH__: I've never had a problem with a HD-3000, HD-5500, or my HDHomeRun with ATSC.

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JEDIDIAH__:

I went through about 3 or 4 antennas before I got something decent.

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JEDIDIAH__:

it's an ATSC problem not a hardware problem.

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** JEDIDIAH__ wonders what will happen on the 17th or whenever the switchover will be. **

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Dagmar:

Much wailing and screaming

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Dagmar:

However, since none of the people doing the wailing and screaming have any internets, it should be relatively quiet in the places we care about

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** JEDIDIAH__ was speaking of "clued in types" having their setups break because of stuff changing. too much signal. not enough signal. different broadcast frequencies. **

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** J-e-f-f-A_ hasn't used Analog OTA in at least 3 years now... **

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JEDIDIAH__:

I hadn't used OTA anything in about 20 years until I started messing around with the digital stuff.

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quinten:

is there a nice theme for trunk?

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quinten:

i was using mepo, but it seems to not like trunk

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kormoc:

you can use terra

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iamlindoro:

Terra

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iamlindoro:

gah, too slow

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kormoc:

or my fav, G.A.N.T.

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kormoc:

Mmm... Swirly grey...

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quinten:

yeah, i'm using G.A.N.T. now

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quinten:

not a big fan

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quinten:

maybe i will work on porting over mepo

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** kormoc is shocked! **

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quinten:

also, i installed trunk from the mythbuntu repository. it warns that it isn't optimized, and it does feel pretty slow to me

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quinten:

does compiling it without the debug stuff really make it a lot faster?

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quinten:

terra also seems to have a lot of missing images

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J-e-f-f-A:

quinten: it's in-progress- as is Trunk Mythtv...

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quinten:

i understand

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kormoc:

quinten, you could always just start profiling and submitting speed patches

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Dagmar:

Compiling without debugging will generally have zero effect on speed

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Dagmar:

Zero, zilch, none, nada, nil.

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clever:

loading 200mb of binarys will affect the speed:P

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clever:

turning the debug info off will shrink those

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Dagmar:

You don't need to "turn off" the debug info.

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Dagmar:

strip -g filename after the fact will do fine

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clever:

by 'turn off' i mean a normal non debug build

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clever:

or striping everything manualy when your done

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Dagmar:

I'm also reasonably sure those bits don't get loaded until/unless you're using a debugger

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clever:

yeah, the mmap will only load the parts that get used

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clever:

but it may readahead a bit into the debug symbols thinking it may help

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clever:

but i thought a normal build would turn on some -O flags

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clever:

to make the program run faster

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Dagmar:

-O2 is about all anyone bothers with

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clever:

but is -O2 missing on a debug build?

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Dagmar:

Going to -O3 might, and I mean MIGHT as in "maybe a 2% chance of a 1% speed increase" make things run fast.

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Dagmar:

No, -O2 and -g have nothing to do with each other.

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clever:

i allways thought that -O2 would complicate the code to the point where its hard to debug

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Dagmar:

It can.

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Dagmar:

...but it's not like anyone capable of reading the output wouldn't be able to recompile with less complex flags

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Dagmar:

Check the info pages on gcc. They'll explain the difference between -O, -O2, and -O3.

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Dagmar:

I swear you'll be disappointed.

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clever:

read the thing before alot

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clever:

some days i just sit and read man pags

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Dagmar:

Info pages are different.

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Dagmar:

With man pages, people seem to feel the need to keep things short and to the point.

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clever:

the man page lists every -f that each level turns on

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Dagmar:

Info page writers act like they're being paid by the word

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clever:

lol

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clever:

ive read the entire info doc on grub once before

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clever:

cover to cover

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clever:

-O3 only turns on 3 more items(compared to -O2)

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clever:

so your not likely to gain much

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clever:

the only thing i can think of would be to go the sqlite way

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clever:

merge every file for the entire libmythtv into a single .cpp

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clever:

1 compilation unit

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clever:

then things like -finline-functions can function between different 'files' in the lib

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clever:

though you can probly get very similar effects if you just g++ *.cpp -o libmythtv.so

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clever:

would still need to totaly bypass qmake and do everything yourself

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clever:

Dagmar: 'info gcc' gives me the man page:P

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Dagmar:

Shoot your distro because I can assure you it has a LOT of info pages

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clever:

im guessing i want the gcc-4.2-doc package

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clever:

info's transparent loading of man pages is also semi broken, it line wraps things too narow

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clever:

'man' will detect the terminal width and wrap them to that, making the most use of the screen

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clever:

/usr/share/info/gcc-4.2.info.gz

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clever:

found it:)

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Dagmar:

Dude this isn't something you have to look for, you just type `info gcc`

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clever:

i was looking at the contents of the gcc-4.2-doc package to verify that it had the right files

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Blaidd:

I'm getting an error message when I try to watch recordings I've recorded with myth and I was wondering if someone could tell me what might be causing the error message. The message is a readStringList error. I have two backends running where one is a mirror of the other. I've confirmed that both backends and frontends are running the same version using the --version command. What else can cause the readStringList error?

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hobophobe:

Well my PVR-350's IR Receiver isn't up to capturing this remote's data. Anyone got some good advice for finding out the basics about the remote so I can know how to capture it?

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Dagmar:

You will need to be more explicit than just giving us part of the error

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hobophobe:

Blaidd, you may also want to check the backend log(s)

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Blaidd:

Dagmar: what other info can I provide you with?

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Blaidd:

hobophobe: there are no entries in the front end logs section for the time when the I stop being able t communicate with the backend and get that error

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Dagmar:

Oh, I dunno... How about telling someone *when* you see this error? What's the _full text_ of the error message?

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Dagmar:

Details.

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Dagmar:

...and if you haven't at least punched that into Google you should be ashamed/

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Blaidd:

so I recieve it after a period of time after I've restarted the primarhy backend..

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Blaidd:

I have punched it into google.. It told me that if I'm running more than one backend they have to be the same version and that should solve the problem.

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Blaidd:

I am running two backends but they both are the same version according to the --version output

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Dagmar:

So look at the backend logs

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Blaidd:

i looked at the logs that are provided in the frontend.. I'm going to assume then that the backend logs them somewhere else?

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hobophobe:

on the backends... probably something like /var/log/mythtv

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Blaidd:

I didn'tknow they were separate. I just found a it through google and am bringing them up.. thanks

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hobophobe:

so, /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log and the older ones will be /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log.N where N is a small integer

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Blaidd:

yup.. I'm parsing through them now..

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Blaidd:

I just didn't know where to look for more info. I"ll see if the entries will help me get this sorted. thanks guys

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Blaidd:

sorry for the stupid question

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Dagmar:

I'm pretty sure the backend will be saying something of significance at about those same times

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joe2371:

Hi. Is it true that I might have more than just QAM-256 on my cable? I mean, how likely is it that I also have QAM-64 or 8vsb mixed on there as well?

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Dagmar:

Pretty unlikely.

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joe2371:

Ah. Ok. Shucks.

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mchou:

joe2371: you can have qam 256 and 64 mixed.....

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mchou:

joe2371: but unlikely to have 8vsb

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joe2371:

oic. I thought I had read that sometimes 8vsb was used to rebroadcast OTA on the cable.

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mchou:

joe2371: In Houston there are cable systems with both qam 256 and 64....

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mchou:

joe2371: but in most areas there is only qam 256

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RealKillaz:

I'm not able to connect with a PS3 to my myhtv media-server. They're both in the same IP adress range 192.168.1.*

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joe2371:

Though one problem with web research is that it is hard to tell whether and to what degree your source is out of date.

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RealKillaz:

should I change a configuration on MythTV?

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tijoev:

I just completed a fresh install on a new debian etch box from the debian package. Is channel scanning broken in this package?

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mchou:

joe2371: go to the slicondust web site and enter your zip code.....

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joe2371:

mchou: Ok, thanks. I'll try a QAM-64 scan as well to see if I pick up any more unencrypted streams.

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mchou:

joe2371: umm, silicondust*

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tijoev:

I was able to scan fine the other day on an ubuntu intrepid box

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mchou:

joe2371: the silicondust web site is pretty good for sanity check.....

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joe2371:

mchou: heh. I've done that. I'm not sure how helpful it will turn out to be. Though it did mention 8vsb as well, I suppose that could have been pertaining to OTA only.

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mchou:

joe2371: you got to make sure you use the "cable only" part of silicondust web site

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joe2371:

oic. I'll have to try it again, then, to be sure.

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joe2371:

thanks

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tijoev:

I know my antenna is could because I can tune fine with the converter box

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mchou:

tijoev: use dvb tools to scan for channels. Much more reliable than the myth channel scanner

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tijoev:

do you still have your cool perl script from 5 years ago to do the conversion?

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mchou:

tijoev: nope

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tijoev:

I think Ilost it in the rebuild of my box

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joe2371:

Hmm. Looks like it really is only QAM-256 over cable. Though looks like I've got gobs and gobs of OTA options.

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mchou:

tijoev: my script was b4 the days of dvbtools.....

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mchou:

tijoev: even if I had it it would be badly be out of date

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tijoev:

is there a newer, easier, softer, way to convert dbvtools channel.conf into myth?

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tijoev:

i's been awhile

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mchou:

tijoev: yup. mysql and silicondust :)

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tijoev:

thats rifght it was azap or something

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mchou:

"scandvb" or "dvbscan"

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mchou:

depending on distro

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tijoev:

OK, Ill read up. Thanks for the input

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tijoev:

quit

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joe2371:

Should I be using CONFIG_HZ_300 on my BE? Or does that not matter?

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mchou:

joe2371: it matters more on the frontend

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joe2371:

oic. And 300 would likely be better than 1000?

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mchou:

thre are a lot of "unresponsive" kernels out there....

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mchou:

"better" is a matter of opinion. only real world test will tell.....

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mchou:

I got a decent kernel that no longer has prebuffer pauses.....

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joe2371:

ah. I guess that's what I'm hoping to avoid doing if there is a generally accepted 'right' answer.

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mchou:

that crap was driving me batty

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mchou:

took me WEEKS to find root cause

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joe2371:

What was it in your case?

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mchou:

joe2371: CONFIG_HZ and the scheduler

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joe2371:

ah. What scheduler did you wind up using?

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mchou:

some distro kernels are just compiled with insane options

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clever:

what HZ and scheduler did you use in the end?

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joe2371:

Heh. I don't use precompiled kernels. *cough-gentoo-cough*

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mchou:

ther kernel that finally did magic for me was mm-kernel

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clever:

im working on a gentoo frontend and bits of info like this would be usefull

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mchou:

joe2371: it doesnt matter if you compile it yourself or go with precompiled. You still have to know what you're doing

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mchou:

anyway, HZ on mine is 250. YMMV

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joe2371:

mchou: well, naturally. But when your distro forces you to configure and compile your own kernel, you are less likely to be surprised and more likely to have a bit of experience at it.

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clever:

mchou: and what scheduler did you pick in the end?

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mchou:

staircase

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mchou:

or was it cfq?

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clever:

lol

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mchou:

anyway, one of those was severely messed up

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mchou:

the other one was butter

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mchou:

there were also some RT stuff in my kernel

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mchou:

anyway, I was relieved to finally get to the bottom of the prebuffer pauses

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mchou:

did not enjoy irritating frozen video playback

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joe2371:

mchou: `zcat /proc/config.gz | grep -i default_iosched` gives you what?

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mchou:

I'm nowhere near that comp right now

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joe2371:

doh

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clever:

i was just about to ask where the config option was hidden, but then you gave the exact name:)

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joe2371:

yay, grep!

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clever:

and i dont even see an option for staircase

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clever:

anticipatory was the default

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mchou:

anway, I think the RT stuff was actually more important than the actual scheduler....

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joe2371:

it may depend on arch. or it may be deprecated.

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mchou:

stircase is not in main line

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clever:

.config – Linux Kernel v2.6.27-gentoo-r7 Configuration

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mchou:

it's in kalivas....

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clever:

im also having trouble getting pata/ide to function

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mchou:

lol

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clever:

i went overboard turning things off and now i cant use swap

[04:04:48]

joe2371:

heh

[04:05:07]

clever:

00:07.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 IDE (rev 01)

[04:05:17]

clever:

<M> Intel PATA MPIIX support

[04:05:20]

clever:

<M> Intel PATA old PIIX support

[04:05:24]

clever:

it should be working....

[04:05:35]

mchou:

I dont even use swap anymore with 4GB at $25 :)

[04:05:47]

clever:

MemTotal: 255596 kB

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joe2371:

yeah, you need to be carefull cleaning out disk controller drivers.

[04:05:54]

clever:

for the system im testing gentoo on

[04:05:56]

mchou:

of course if I do go OOM I'd be up the creek

[04:06:09]

clever:

joe2371: its using nfsroot, so i can clean out 100% of the block layer and still function

[04:06:19]

clever:

but 256mb ram isnt enough to link the new kernel

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wagnerrp:

thats what swap is for

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clever:

i disabled all ide support in the kernel, so i cant access swap

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wagnerrp:

swap over nfs

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clever:

i'll have to try that next time i boot it

[04:07:53]

mchou:

swap over nbi

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mchou:

umm, nbd

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clever:

and last time i used swap over nbd with ubuntu, it hardlocked

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mchou:

haha

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mchou:

too bad

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clever:

but nbd is great for putting a lvm PV in another system

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clever:

its just a b*tch to get the server to start

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clever:

i give it all the documented cli arguments and it refuses

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clever:

i have to setup a config file and give it the args

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wagnerrp:

ive had no problem with swap over nfs, once i ran it through a loopback device

[04:09:06]

wagnerrp:

and currently i use swap over iscsi with no ill effects

[04:10:04]

clever:

while i can use LVM over NBD, i dont like doing it long term

[04:10:24]

clever:

i allready have enough problems when a nfs server goes down and the clients get buggered up

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clever:

if i pull half the drive out from under lvm, i have no way of predicting the problems it would cause

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[yzf600]:

hey – anyone here run mostly HD through your frontend myth box?

[04:12:11]

wagnerrp:

yes

[04:12:12]

[yzf600]:

I can't seem to find a fast enough box to run my HD playback

[04:12:18]

wagnerrp:

what is your box?

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[yzf600]:

amd turion 64 1.8GHz

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[yzf600]:

1 GB ram, ATI radeon x700 chips

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[yzf600]:

running ubuntu 8.10

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wagnerrp:

my 2GHz A64 handles HD mpeg2 just fine

[04:14:06]

[yzf600]:

hmmm – you have a nvidia card?

[04:14:19]

wagnerrp:

although it has a bit more cache and a better memory access than your turion

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wagnerrp:

yeah, my guess is that Xv just isnt working properly on your radeon

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[yzf600]:

I think my issue may be my video card

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[yzf600]:

I've got latest ATI driver installed

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mchou:

bah. Dont even mention ATI in this channel

[04:15:13]

wagnerrp:

linux users tend to avoid ATI like the plague, for good reason...

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[yzf600]:

I also tried to playback HD captured .mpg file straight from my NFS drive via apple TV with xmbc

[04:15:20]

[yzf600]:

that was slow also

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mchou:

just kiss ATI vid cards goodbye and you'd be better off

[04:15:54]

mchou:

less stress and pain

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wagnerrp:

the AppleTV is a POS

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[yzf600]:

yea – yea. I'm only trying to use that because it was an acer laptop with a dead LCD screen and it had a DVI port on it

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wagnerrp:

the only reason it can play back anything is because of built in hardware decoders

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[yzf600]:

acer ferrari 4000

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wagnerrp:

and xmbc wont be able to use those

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[yzf600]:

I got a atom 330 box on loan from a friend

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RealKillaz:

how can I fetch the mythtv version I have installed on my system?

[04:17:20]

[yzf600]:

problem is, ubuntu 8.10 won't install to it

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mchou:

oh, I forgot to mention. Even live TV works well now for me with the new kernel

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wagnerrp:

again, a POS

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wagnerrp:

plenty for SD mpeg2, not going to cut it for HD mpeg2

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joe2371:

Are there any hardware mpeg-4 decoders on the market? Or even GPU accelerated ones?

[04:18:00]

[yzf600]:

how are the via mini-itx boxes when it comes to HD playback?

[04:18:00]

wagnerrp:

it may be dual core, but mpeg2 decompression is not multithreaded

[04:18:04]

mchou:

never had luck getting live tv to work reliably but finally found a combo that works

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wagnerrp:

ive heard the via boxes dont work for HD mpeg2

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[yzf600]:

I just want a cheap, fanless frontend box

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mchou:

[yzf600]: wait for nvidia ion

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wagnerrp:

[yzf600]: if you can get Xv working on that laptop, it will handle ATSC just fine

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joe2371:

Hmm. Slim on my C2D FE seems to have made a difference in decoding HD. :-)

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mchou:

[yzf600]: cant guarantee "cheap"

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[yzf600]:

ok – I'll look into running Xv better

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BassKozz:

[yzf600]: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856167032

[04:19:30]

[yzf600]:

thanks for the tip

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wagnerrp:

intel and nvidia are currently the way to go for linux video playback

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mchou:

joe2371: umm, stop joking around. a c2d doesnt have enough oomph to decode HD?

[04:20:47]

joe2371:

mchou: It does, but I find that X pegs at 100 and the decoding hits 50% on the other core. :-/

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wagnerrp:

another ATI card?

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mchou:

joe2371: what speed proc is this?

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joe2371:

2GHz

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mchou:

no way

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RyeBrye:

h264 MPEG2?

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RyeBrye:

which codec?

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wagnerrp:

BassKozz: that MSI box will not handle HD mpeg2

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mchou:

joe2371: it aint the HW, that's for sure

[04:22:09]

joe2371:

Could be a driver issue, I suppose.

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BassKozz:

wagnerrp: sorry, I joind the convo late, didn't relize he wanted HD

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RyeBrye:

joe2371: are yo talking the c2d 2GHz playing back mpeg2?

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[yzf600]:

later all

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BassKozz:

I heard cheap & fanless, and I jumped :p

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joe2371:

Uh, it's whatever my 1080i PBS is compressed with.

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mchou:

no way

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mchou:

PBS does a great job

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mchou:

not like cablecos

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RyeBrye:

2 Ghz C2D should play back HD Mpeg2 – but would be tough to get some single-sliced h264 at various bitrates to play back

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mchou:

if you cant decode PBS with that HW there is something else going on

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mchou:

I mean with headroom to spare.....

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RyeBrye:

however... with VDPAU I can play back 720p or 1080i MPEG2 at 2x timestretch without any stuttering on a lowly P4 3 Ghz

[04:25:24]

joe2371:

Well, the decoding seems to take only 50% of one core, as I said. It looks like something is giving X heartburn, though. It may be a driver issue. I might try switching to nv from nvidia.

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RyeBrye:

joe2371: are you using some 2x deinterlacer or something?

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joe2371:

RyeBrye: I'm pretty much using just the default configuration.

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RyeBrye:

are you using Xv-blit or whatever for the renderer?

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RyeBrye:

if you don't have vdpau I think that is the best performing one for your setup, but I might be wrong

[04:27:53]

** joe2371 is hunting for that setting in the menus... **

[04:28:01]

RyeBrye:

TV playback

[04:28:11]

RyeBrye:

Under settings, I think

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RyeBrye:

someone here has the menus all memorized

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mchou:

screw the menus

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joe2371:

BE or FE, FE?

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mchou:

use the DB. Pedal to the metal

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RyeBrye:

Frontend

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joe2371:

Hmm. I'm not finding rederers immediately...

[04:31:34]

RyeBrye:

settings -> TV settings? TV playback? Playback Seetings (maybe.. something like that – I can't remember the exact name)

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joe2371:

That's pretty much where I was looking. :-/

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waterfoul:

what would you succest for a cable analog tv card in the us

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waterfoul:

succest=suggest

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joe2371:

What version would this be, btw? I'm using .21_p18314.

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mchou:

waterfoul: pvr150 or 500

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mchou:

waterfoul: but why would you want one? :)

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mchou:

waterfoul: go digital, or even svideo....

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mchou:

waterfoul: not use a crappy tuner on a PCI card

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waterfoul:

the signal I get in my dorm is primaially analog, for digital there are 2 real channels and alot of music as far as I can tell

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mchou:

waterfoul: where is this?

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waterfoul:

Rapid city SD

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joe2371:

waterfoul: cable or OTA?

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waterfoul:

cable

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mchou:

bah. SD. no wonder

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waterfoul:

:P

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joe2371:

waterfoul: do you have a digital OTA antenna?

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mchou:

you'd be lucky to even have TV

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waterfoul:

the tv here has alot of stuff on it cause the school pays for cable so I'd rather just get an analog card for now and switch to a digital one later

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mchou:

waterfoul: yeah yeah. pvr150....

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joe2371:

waterfoul: I have something like 40 digital OTA channels near me. Nearly half are HD. But I haven't invested in an antenna yet so I'm not receiving any of them at the moment.

[04:43:51]

waterfoul:

I have a digital tuner btw I just cant get very many channels on it

[04:43:52]

mchou:

waterfoul: if you can still get them

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mchou:

waterfoul: you check the silicondust web site for your area?

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waterfoul:

it actially does both ust the linux drivers won't pick up the analog

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mchou:

waterfoul: which card is this?

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waterfoul:

problem is I want channels like discovery

[04:45:40]

waterfoul:

its atually a usb card :(in hindsight it was a bad idea to buy it anyway its a DVICO FusionHDTV5 Gold Usb

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joe2371:

waterfoul: I got an HVR-1600 PCI card. It does both analog and digital. Even simultaneously. It seems to be well supported, and the picture quality on analog is pretty good. Plus you can use the digital half after NTSC dies, and still use the analog half to capture the output of a STB or something.

[04:46:19]

waterfoul:

heres the channel list?

[04:46:38]

mchou:

waterfoul: what wrong with dvico?

[04:47:16]

mchou:

joe2371: forget hvr-1600. It's junk. digital side has SEVERZ problems

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mchou:

SEVERE*

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waterfoul:

ota wheres the channel lister

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waterfoul:

the dvico only picks up digital witht the linux drivers

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joe2371:

mchou: oh? How so? I've been assuming that I just needed signal amplification.

[04:48:30]

mchou:

joe2371: no, that card is severely broken

[04:48:58]

joe2371:

No kidding. Hmm. Well, good thing I can return it still.

[04:49:07]

waterfoul:

if you could point me to instructions on how to get analog with my existing tuner I would be eternally greatfull

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mchou:

joe2371: PID filtering doesnt work right, massive PCI saturation....

[04:49:29]

mchou:

joe2371: return it

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joe2371:

mchou: does that apply to all revisions? I have a fairly recent version. My CPU utilization on the BE is negligible.

[04:49:55]

mchou:

joe2371: get a pinnacle 800i (or anything with xc500 tuner)

[04:50:08]

mchou:

joe2371: it's not the cpu util

[04:50:16]

mchou:

it pci bus saturation

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mchou:

joe2371: tell me which rev you've got

[04:51:05]

joe2371:

1183. One of the ones with QAM

[04:51:08]

mchou:

joe2371: it actually doesnt matter which rev since the tuner on the card is still junk

[04:51:31]

mchou:

no, dmesg with serial number, rev, and all that

[04:51:38]

joe2371:

oic. 1 sec...

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mchou:

joe2371: xc5000*

[04:53:26]

joe2371:

02:08.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant Device 5b7a Subsystem: Hauppauge computer works Inc. Device 7444

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mchou:

joe2371: dmesg | grep tveeprom (in pastebin)

[04:54:07]

mchou:

joe2371: so far all the info you've provide is useless

[04:55:33]

joe2371:

http://rafb.net/p/87XAst88.html

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joe2371:

I have reception issues on the digital side, but there are at least three splitters between it and the line-in to the house.

[04:56:25]

mchou:

well. I have C6B2.

[04:56:41]

mchou:

you have C6B6

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joe2371:

But I am often able to watch HD PBS for tens of minutes before it loses lock.

[04:57:05]

mchou:

so I dont know if they've fixed their issues but I'd be dubious

[04:57:15]

mchou:

joe2371: lol

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mchou:

joe2371: go with xc5000 tuner. you wont regret it.

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joe2371:

Well, that's a lot of halving of the signal strength. And I have no amplification of the signal.

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mchou:

with HVR-1600 you'll be in a world of hurt

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joe2371:

I'll look into the xc5000, though. Thanks.

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joe2371:

Well, looks like that would require a MOBO-ectomy to get PCI-Express support. And that in turn will require a CPU augmentation and a DDR2 infusion. :-/

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waterfoul:

any 1 know of a way to get a DViCO FusionHDTV5 USB Gold to pick up analog?

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joe2371:

Uh. I'm not really finding many glowing reviews about the xc5000 boards I'm looking at. Perhaps the problem is with DVICO, though, and not the chip.

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waterfoul:

any 1 here use the pcHDTV HD 550 before?

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joe2371:

Hmm. Also, it looks like the 800i might not be shipping anymore.

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Demonic:

looking for a hint here... i'm attempting to stream a show on my box at home while i'm at a friends place... my internet blocks port 80, so i'm attempting to redirect it using port 222... vlc keeps going to port 80

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joe2371:

Well, I'm going to try moving my BE so it won't be behind as many splitters. Perhaps then I'll hold my lock on digial longer.

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waterfoul:

how do tou find out the correct settings for scanning? is it just trial and error?

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joe2371:

There may be some documentation for your cableco on the wiki, etc. But 256 seems to be pretty ubiquitous. I really only needed to discover the delimiter.

[05:24:30]

joe2371:

Though perhaps silicondust actually contains that info

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mchou:

joe2371: where are these so called reviews you are reading?

[05:27:42]

mchou:

joe2371: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Pinnacle_PCTV_HD_Card_(800i)

[05:27:56]

mchou:

"The XC5000 tuner on this card is able to pick up considerably more over-the-air digital channels than most other cards."

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mchou:

and no, it's not me editing that wiki

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joe2371:

Well, I googled the chip and the 800i and found "Help! xc5000 killed my audio!" etc. The 800i's I've found all seem to be on ebay (ugh). You may be right, though. Most of the sites hosting product reviews have probably been poisoned by paid reviewers, etc. Everything is suspect. Trust no one. Etc.

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mchou:

that's total bullshit

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mchou:

those reviewers are clueless

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joe2371:

Meh. I'm cheerfully watching HD over wifi streaming from my HVR-1600, so go figure.

[05:32:41]

mchou:

well, as long as you're satisfied.

[05:33:05]

mchou:

HVR-1600 is still a POS card

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wagnerrp:

Demonic: mythweb has built in recording streaming

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joe2371:

Well, I intend to move the BE to see if I can improve reception. Also, disconnecting analog may help. I dunno.

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wagnerrp:

Demonic: but if you want help with VLC, you should really go bug the videolan people

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DarkDrgn2k:

Hey guys

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wagnerrp:

anyone who claims a digital tuner 'killed their audio' doesnt know what their talking about

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DarkDrgn2k:

is myth tv .22 stable enough for general use

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DarkDrgn2k:

IE: will my recordings be recorded?

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wagnerrp:

either that, or theyre trying to use the framegrabber they got with their digital tuner, and should similarly be shunned

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DarkDrgn2k:

...and will i be able to watch them after..

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joe2371:

Well, I think it's probably dangerous to assume that much of what you read was written by someone who knows what they're talking about.

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mchou:

joe2371: your reception problems have to do with the crappy tuner on that board. Minimizing splitters help, but nothing will over come the flaws on that board

[05:35:40]

wagnerrp:

just look at newegg reviews by people with high levels of experience

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Demonic:

wagnerrp: thanks... but flash is uncooperative at the moment :(

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wagnerrp:

Demonic: if you have even a semi-worthwhile router, you can redirect internal port 80 to external port whatever you want

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mchou:

joe2371: you can even verify non-compliant operation if you use dvb tools like azap.....

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joe2371:

ugh, no kidding?

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mchou:

joe2371: such as no loss of lock

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mchou:

umm, such as loss of lock

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clever:

wagnerrp: ive found that some routers wont 'port forward' your public ip if you access it from inside the lan

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clever:

trying to access the public ip will turn up the router config

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waterfoul:

so where all could I look for my cable company info, The company name is Knology

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wagnerrp:

clever: except... hes trying to access stuff from outside the lan

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clever:

and that problem can cause trouble trying to verify that forwardings will work from the outside

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DarkDrgn2k:

soo guys.. is .22 a worthwhile upgrade?

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Lexridge:

clever: I've also had that happen.

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joe2371:

I see. Well, at least this has served as a proof of concept. It's clear that my BE should be more than fast enough. I may want to spend some more time researching tuner/capture cards.

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clever:

Lexridge: my linksys and dlink routers didnt do it, and i was able to configure my linux NAT to not have the problem, but a friend who was running a website was confused by the router config just comming up every time

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mchou:

joe2371: http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=pinn . . . n#ps-sellers

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wagnerrp:

joe2371: you dont need much of a backend unless you have framegrabbers

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mchou:

that's hardly all fleabay

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Lexridge:

clever: I was not getting my router config, but an unknown host error. Yet, it worked from really outside.

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clever:

Lexridge: that sounds more like the problem i had with my linux nat before i fixed it

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clever:

it only did dest nat

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Lexridge:

clever: I am using DD-WRT.

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clever:

and thats linux based

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DarkDrgn2k:

Lexridge: dd-wrt you should have NO problem forwarding ports...

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clever:

the packets go from local1/public to local1/local2

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DarkDrgn2k:

Lexridge: but wan ip access from inside WILL be a problem

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mchou:

openwrt

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clever:

local2 then replys directly to local1, which gets confused and everything breaks

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Lexridge:

Port forwarding was working fine from outside, but not from inside out, and back in.

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clever:

i solved it by also doing source nat at the same time, so it changes from local1/public to local2/router_local

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mchou:

routers with hackable firmware and USB ports ftw!

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Lexridge:

the mystery was, it just started working after a few weeks. DOH!

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clever:

just needs 1 extra iptables rule per forwarding

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wagnerrp:

clever: its usually easier to ignore such problems and run a dns server internally

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Lexridge:

which just re-enforces that computers really DO have a mind of their own. lol

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clever:

wagnerrp: i am using dns internaly alot now, but id need to modify a bunch of things to completely solve the problem without the extra rule

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clever:

i made a .localnet TLD which can forward and reverse dns every system in the house

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clever:

and has a few aliases like proxy.localnet so i can edit 1 file and change the proxy for every system

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wagnerrp:

well if you dont have a domain name, you shouldnt ever run into that problem in normal use

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clever:

i also have an external domain name but id need to edit things a bit

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clever:

i would need to use thep4.clever.mine.nu as the name for everything on that box, and remap it to .60 on the local dns server

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Demonic:

wagnerrp: actually... it's more that the asx file is still pointing to port 80... the streaming port setting didn't change the asx files...

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wagnerrp:

Demonic: well apache can change ports very easily

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wagnerrp:

if perhaps inconvenient for internal use

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Demonic:

wagnerrp: ?? of the generated asx files?

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Demonic:

not worried about internal... as long as it works external... easy enough to adapt to internal...

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wagnerrp:

im sure mythweb just pulls the port it uses from whatever apache is running on

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clever:

wagnerrp: in theory, you can run it on both port xyz and 80

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joe2371:

Heh. "The previous version of this Acura only had 2 times as much horsepower as anyone would ever need. But our new model has _3_ times as much horsepower as anyone would ever need. ... Introducing the most powerful Acura ever made. Just in case you still don't get the fact that the global economy is in the toilet and gasoline will soon cost you more per month than your mortgage."

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Demonic:

clever: i believe you are right... i'll have to reference apache guides... shouldn't take that much

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clever:

if everything is fairly default, you should be able to just add 2 listen lines to ports.conf or similar

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wagnerrp:

joe2371: go have fun with your hybrid, im happy with my single drive engine

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Lexridge:

Has anyone tried DVD95 for Linux? It's a sweet GUI based DVD Ripper and converts DVD9 to DVD5. However, I cannot find it's output files (VIDEO TS dir).

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joe2371:

The only hybrid I own is this HVR-1600. I drive a 4-banger with a stick.

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wagnerrp:

i miss my old stick...

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wagnerrp:

even more so trying to get out of the snow these last couple days

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Lexridge:

speaking of snow..I have had it with the snow, and the ice, and the rain, and the ice, and the sub 10F weather. Ugh! Worst winter in 15 years!!!

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joe2371:

Since you're not supposed to drive an automatic with both feet, I've always wondered what to do with the other foot. Cross your left leg onto your right thigh? Dangle it out the window?

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wagnerrp:

lets all hear it for global warming!

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tijoev:

I need help with dvb-tools

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Lexridge:

I think Mother Nature is trying to tell us that global warming is a bunch of shit

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Lexridge:

lol

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tijoev:

I found a tarbal on pchdtv site. downloaded it but it will not build

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wagnerrp:

well they did cancel the global warming summit in DC a couple days ago due to a snowstorm

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Lexridge:

lol

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tijoev:

do not no where to go with this

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Lexridge:

that is classic!!!!

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wagnerrp:

tijoev: what are you trying to use dvb-tools for?

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tijoev:

scan for OTA channels

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wagnerrp:

just use the scanner in mythtv-setup

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tijoev:

tried dvb-utils in debain but it says it does not scan for frequencies

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wagnerrp:

if you have a multithreaded system, you need to run 'taskset -c0 mythtv-setup'

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tijoev:

mythtv does not work

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joe2371:

Well, they likely wouldn't have canceled it if the snow hadn't melted a bit and turned to ice.

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tijoev:

at least in debain

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tijoev:

mythtv scan does not lock on any channels

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Lexridge:

jpe2371: Sounds like a bunch of pussys to me. Opps. sorry. I didn't miss a day of work and we had 6 inches of ice/snow.

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wagnerrp:

joe2371: i actually cleaned off my porch earlier today, it was a nice sandwich... ice, then snow, then ice, then show, then more ice..

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BassKozz_:

How can I wipe my mythtv DB ? I was playing around with trunk and I am now trying to revert back to .21, but I keep getting:

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BassKozz_:

The schema version of your existing database is newer than this version of MythTV understands. Please ensure that you have selected the proper database server or upgrade this and all other frontends and backends to the same MythTV version and revision.

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wagnerrp:

tijoev: do you have a SMT/SMP system?

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tijoev:

dunno, just installed debain etch

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wagnerrp:

what is your processor?

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tijoev:

p4 3.0 or 3.2

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wagnerrp:

BassKozz_: log into mysql, and run 'drop database mythconverg;'

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BassKozz_:

wagnerrp, thx

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wagnerrp:

tijoev: that is a SMT chip (assuming you have hyperthreading turned on in the BIOS)

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wagnerrp:

mythtv-setup currently does not like that

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wagnerrp:

run it through taskset with the command i gave above

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tijoev:

will try it but how does that help channel scanning?

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wagnerrp:

its a bug in the channel scanner

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tijoev:

gottacha

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tijoev:

lemme give it a try

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tijoev:

taskset command not found

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tijoev:

lemme see if debian has a pacakage for it

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wagnerrp:

it should be installed by default with util-linux

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Lexridge:

yea, that should be a basic command.

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tijoev:

well I have util-linux but no taskset

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wagnerrp:

old system?

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tijoev:

tried both user and root

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tijoev:

brand spankin new

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Lexridge:

try a "locate taskset" Maybe it's not in your path for some reason.

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tijoev:

tried that and get nothing

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jarle:

tijoev: which distro?

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tijoev:

and I just ran updatedb like ten minutes ago

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tijoev:

debian etch

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Lexridge:

that is strange

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tijoev:

this upgrade to .21 has been hell

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

ppl still havent learned

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jarle:

tijoev: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/setting-process . . . process.html

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mchou:

use a sparate sandbox for upgrades

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mchou:

that way you wont feel so frustrated

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tijoev:

had no choice, .18 did not get schedule data any longer and we finally got our D transmitters here on Maui

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joe2371:

Ah. Interesting. Letting nvidia-settings rewrite the xorg.conf seems to have taken a burned off the FE. It went from 100+50 down to 13+60.

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mchou:

cause your old system will keep on purring

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joe2371:

burden

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tijoev:

Lif ine paradise can be hell some times

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tijoev:

:)

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wagnerrp:

joe2371: were you using 'nv' instead of 'nvidia'?

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mchou:

paradise is expensive

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joe2371:

wagnerrp: no. I was using nvidia. But I'm not sure the driver liked my metamode or something.

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mchou:

and I dont want to go anywhere where spam is considered a delicacy :)

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joe2371:

What's wrong with Hawaii?

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tijoev:

thanks jarle saw shceduelutil but it did not register

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mchou:

joe2371: spam and expensive, like I said earlier

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mchou:

joe2371: not to mention active vulcanos

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tijoev:

not much except I haven't been able to use my mythtv since moving to Maui

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tijoev:

Now, finally have OTA DTV and I'm in computer hell

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mchou:

tijoev: haha, that's cause ppl in hawaii too busy partying instead of watching TV :)

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joe2371:

OHNOES! Volcanos! Guess you don't want to live in North America or Europe, either.

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mchou:

joe2371: dont be ridiculous. Not all of north amrica is covered by vulcanos

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joe2371:

Not all of Hawaii is either.

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tijoev:

we do have one on each island

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mchou:

joe2371: right. lets see people from Hawaii try to escape when the big one hits

[06:18:19]

joe2371:

Well, even the big island is already moving off the hot spot.

[06:18:40]

joe2371:

Yes, they can all flee to Florida, or New Orleans.

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joe2371:

Or California, or the pacific northwest, or oklahoma, or.. oh wait.

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tijoev:

ok, here goes nothing

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wagnerrp:

well the whole west cost is active

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mchou:

pacific NW had Mt. St. Helens. You didnt see too many people killed in that one

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wagnerrp:

either with volcanos, or fault lines

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joe2371:

The whole pacific rim, even.

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mchou:

joe2371: when Mt. St. Helens blew only a handful of people got killed

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wagnerrp:

not many people die when one of the Hawaiian islands bubbles over

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wagnerrp:

considering its a slow flow, rather than an explosion

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wagnerrp:

just wait until yellowstone inevitably cooks off

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wagnerrp:

of course that could happen any time in the next hundred thousand years

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joe2371:

I think I've read that that whole area is bulging fairly alarmingly.

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tijoev:

no good

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tijoev:

same result with channel scan

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mchou:

for a super volcano nothing is going on at yellowstone

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tijoev:

BTW, our volcanos oozzzze instead of blow their tops

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mchou:

tijoev: like I said, how are you scanning the channels?

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joe2371:

It is trying to lull folks into a false sense of security. Thats how they get you.

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tijoev:

tried the tasket set command for mythtv-setup

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mchou:

tijoev: is that how people in Hawaii dispose of thier old tires?

[06:24:21]

tijoev:

dvb tools won't build

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tijoev:

at least the one I found on pchdtv site

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mchou:

tijoev: keep telling you to use dvbscan

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mchou:

tijoev: mythtv scan is borked

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tijoev:

would love too if I could find it for debian and figure out how to use it

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tijoev:

tires, cars, fridge....all end up in the cane fileds

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tijoev:

fields that is

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mchou:

tijoev: there is nothing to figure out. Just do some reading

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tijoev:

first, is dvbscan an app

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tijoev:

google returns the zapdvb for debain

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mchou:

tijoev: screw google. d/l the source

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tijoev:

installed it and cannot get it to rum because it needs frequencies which I have no idea what they are or how to find'em

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mchou:

why the hell is this so difficult?

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wagnerrp:

the files come in the package

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wagnerrp:

try /usr/share/ or /usr/local/share

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mchou:

wtf is wrong with people these days??

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mchou:

cant be bothered to read?

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tijoev:

dude, i've been at this for two weeks with different distros and all kinds of problems

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tijoev:

been reading all the time

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mchou:

the frequencies come with the source

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tijoev:

i don't understand how all this stuff works

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mchou:

no, you clearly have not been reading enough

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wagnerrp:

its a bunch of files, you just feed the file to dvbscan, and it generates a channels.conf

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wagnerrp:

they should have been installed by the package

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wagnerrp:

look through the share directories

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tijoev:

i run scan

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tijoev:

it needs options that I do not know what to put in

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mchou:

right. That's called reading

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mchou:

RTFM

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mchou:

comes with the source too

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tijoev:

atsc/dvbscan doesn't do frequency scans, hence it needs initial

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tijoev:

tuning data for at least one transponder/channel.

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wagnerrp:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Scan#Cr . . . al_scan_file

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mchou:

oh lord

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wagnerrp:

i guess you actually want the section directly below that one

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tijoev:

wagnerrp: thanks for the wiki link. dvb scan is still failing

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tijoev:

scan finished, no services found

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tijoev:

any ideas?

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[Peter]:

how do I select what language the EIT scanner picks up?

[08:01:43]

[Peter]:

the EIT information here is transmitted in 4 languages and it picks the wrong one :)

[08:10:35]

janneg:

[Peter]: frontend settings "Guide Language"

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joe2371:

dvbscan combined with QAM-64 gets me more channels than full QAM-256 does.

[08:11:23]

joe2371:

than full scan QAM-256, I mean.

[08:16:02]

olejl:

I'm currently only getting current and next program info from EIT. I'm planning to start investigating this a little. I know that more information is available somewhere. I just don't know on which frequency.

[08:16:48]

olejl:

does anyone have an idea to how I can dig up this information?

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neztiti:

hi guys – high cpu here with free channels with live watch tv any help???

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directhex:

olejl, depends on what service you're using

[08:31:48]

neztiti:

i am with ubuntu 8.10

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olejl:

using Showtimearabia

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[Peter]:

janneg: I've done that, the problem is that there is only one language available if I look in the program table in the db. must be some backend setting?

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janneg:

[Peter]: no, in the frontend settings, setup -> appearance -> 4th page localization has "guide language #1/#2"

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[Peter]:

janneg: yeah, I know, it doesn't help

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[Peter]:

janneg: I zapped the program table but it still receives the wrong language

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[Peter]:

janneg: the language I want is there, I have a regular settop box that receives it just fine

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janneg:

[Peter]: the language is regardlessly of the setting always the same? have you tried the other languages? if not please do for debugging. that sounds very much like a bug

[08:51:02]

janneg:

I have only single language EIT

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[Peter]:

janneg: I noticed that the ISO639LanguageX rows in the db was tagged with the hostname of the frontend, perhaps that's the problem because a quick grep in the code reveals that the backend uses those settings too

[08:52:51]

Dibblah:

olejl: Usually, it's encoded on some other multiplex, in a proprietary format.

[08:53:29]

janneg:

[Peter]: ah, yes that's probably the issue

[08:53:36]

Dibblah:

There's a plugin for dvr that does more of the in-stream EITish formats than we do.

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janneg:

yes, the backend uses those too and you can't set them if there is no frontend with the backend hostname

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[Peter]:

janneg: I just set hostname to NULL for now, I guess we'll know in a bit if that helped or not :)

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[Peter]:

janneg: or should they have the backend hostname?

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Dibblah:

olejl: http://www.vdr-wiki.de/wiki/index.php/EPG

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janneg:

[Peter]: that will only work if there are no entries with the backends hostname

[09:01:11]

[Peter]:

janneg: there's not. and it does seem to work now :) but I guess this is not really expected behaviour?

[09:03:09]

janneg:

[Peter]: no. it's a bug, not sure if we should make the setting global or move it mythtv-setup

[09:03:39]

Dibblah:

clever: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5529 – Still a problem?

[09:03:58]

clever:

what was that ticket for again?

[09:05:11]

clever:

ahh the 100% cpu one

[09:05:29]

clever:

ive been avoiding mythweb so it never happened again

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[Peter]:

janneg: IMHO mythtv-setup makes sense since it effects the backend

[09:07:20]

clever:

Dibblah: currently, half my recordings arent in registered storage groups, so half the preview images in mythweb would fail

[09:07:31]

clever:

thats likely to just complicate the problem, if it still exists

[09:07:57]

Dibblah:

Can you try and reproduce, please?

[09:08:08]

Dibblah:

And get a backtrace.

[09:08:46]

clever:

and the last compile i did was without debug info

[09:09:37]

janneg:

[Peter]: I think you're right, it's also misused for audio track selection, which makes sense to be a frontend setting as long as we don't have multi user support

[09:10:28]

clever:

Dibblah: do you know of any cli based upnp app's?

[09:11:00]

clever:

i have an idea on how to force the problem to happen, but id need to modify the client end a bit

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clever:

Dibblah: but i have noticed a new problem, when mythweb is fetching 300 preview images, my frontend is failing to connect

[09:13:10]

clever:

2009-01–30 05:12:05.730 Connecting to backend server: 10.0.0.103:6543 (try 1 of 5)

[09:13:13]

clever:

2009-01–30 05:12:06.700 MythSocket(82cdda8:20): readStringList: Connection died (select).

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clever:

firefox is trying to fetch ~8 images at a time

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clever:

causing mythweb to make ~8 connections to fetch preview images

[09:14:04]

cesman:

clever: http://ushare.geexbox.org/

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clever:

and now i have 6 mythbackend processes on the poor 400mhz

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clever:

cesman: that appears to be a upnp server

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clever:

i need a client to connect to mythbackend and then hang up without warning

[09:16:22]

cesman:

you did ask for a upnp app ;)

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cesman:

check out djmount

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cesman:

link at the bottom of the page

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clever:

and making fuse disconnect suddenly is likely to cause more breakage

[09:18:01]

clever:

i think the problem is from mythbackend not properly handling a close() on the socket (from the client) when its reading data

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clever:

what the hell, my channel changer keeps running

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clever:

there it goes again

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clever:

and yet, nothing has started recording at all

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clever:

ahhh

[09:24:08]

clever:

6 lovely core dumps!

[09:24:11]

clever:

130mb each

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clever:

thats why everything exploded

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clever:

Dibblah: http://pastebin.ca/1322631

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Dibblah:

clever: No symbols.

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Dibblah:

You need to specify an executable when starting gdb

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clever:

i did, but as i mentioned 20mins ago, theres no symbols in the compile

[09:36:10]

clever:

#16 0x42dc75a9 in QCoreApplication::processEvents () from /usr/lib/libQtCore.so.4

[09:36:14]

clever:

#17 0xb689d3b7 in myth_system () from /media/mainlv/root/8.04/lib/libmythui-0.22.so.0

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clever:

that doesnt look right either

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clever:

#64 0x08055a11 in ?? ()

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clever:

and thats a realy deep stack

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Dibblah:

clever: Get a proper backtrace ;)

[09:40:47]

clever:

its 6am and im missing a core2duo cpu

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clever:

it would take several hours to recompile

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Dibblah:

And that's a good thing to do overnight.

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clever:

and i have 700mb free on both storage groups

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Dibblah:

Also, *always* compile with --compile-type=profile

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Dibblah:

It has essentially no performance impact.

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clever:

./configure --compile-type=profile --prefix=/media/mainlv/root/$RELEASE --disable-xvmc --disable-audio-arts --disable-audio-jack --disable-firewire --disable-iptv --disable-hdhomerun --disable-hdpvr --disable-dvb

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Dibblah:

Yeah.

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clever:

found a mysql db that was uselessly eating 3gig

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clever:

that should buy me a couple of hours

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clever:

-rw------- 1 mythtv mythtv 195M 2009-01–30 05:44 core.mythbackend.11670.media

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clever:

and it seems like it crashed again

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clever:

its using my patch to mythsystem :)

[09:46:36]

clever:

Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault.

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clever:

#0 0x42cd55cd in QMutex::lock () from /usr/lib/libQtCore.so.4

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clever:

looks to be basicaly the same as the pastbin'ed one for the first 10 functions

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clever:

my mythbackends are poping left and right here:S

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clever:

mythweb is murdering things

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clever:

different from the 100% cpu bug, and relatively worse

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clever:

i'll leave it on compile

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clever:

ive also reclaimed allmost a gig of space by deleting all the core dumps

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grokky:

Thank god it's finally cooled down here. The Myth box might be safe from spontaneous combustion now.

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grokky:

temps in the 45 deg C (113 F) range for 3 days running is not good for my poor system (or me).

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BenB:

45Â°C in room or on CPU?

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BenB:

Melbourne?

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grokky:

Ambient outside temp.

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grokky:

Yup.

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BenB:

duh

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BenB:

grokky: there are water-proof keyboards, in case you want to compute in the pool.

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BenB:

s/work/compute/

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BenB:

eh... whatever

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grokky:

BenB: I was thinking of flying somewhere tropical to cool down. The top end is cooler than here.

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BenB:

heh

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grokky:

Ah well, at least I've got electricity. Apparently 300k to 1Million households here don't, at the moment.

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kambei:

iamlindoro: Ping?

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Dave123-road:

pong

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aBs0lut30:

alright guys, I am about to go crazy with this.... I am still having trouble with digital audio, I have got myth setup to go to /dev/adsp and the passthrough to the iec958 but when i play a file the dolby kicks in for a second then drops back out, the i randomly get sound back through the file but its more out than in...

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aBs0lut30:

if I play the file with mplayer -ao alsa:device=hw=0,1 -afm hwac3 it plays flawlessly

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aBs0lut30:

so what am I doing wrong???

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shadash:

what distro

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shadash:

what version of myth

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aBs0lut30:

its ubuntu 8.10 and .22 SVN updated yesterday...

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gbee:

ahh, a time traveller

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wagnerrp:

aBs0lut30: there is not yet a version 0.22 of mythtv

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aBs0lut30:

well, you guys know what I mean....

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wagnerrp:

woo! my video card is back on the truck!

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aBs0lut30:

trunk, hows that...

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wagnerrp:

that works

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aBs0lut30:

so... ANYWAY, I just dont get this, it works great from mplayer but pretty much not at all from myth

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wagnerrp:

never tried digital sound

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wagnerrp:

neither of my output devices support it

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Spulit:

hi there

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abk_switch:

hi

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Spulit:

anyone here knows if it is possible to use the LiveTV system for playing IPTV but with the frontend connecting directly to the IPTV streamer?

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abk_switch:

i dont have a clue

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abk_switch:

but then i'm new to myth

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GreyFoxx:

Spulit: Nope

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GreyFoxx:

It wont

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abk_switch:

i cant seem to get my tuner to work right :-/

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GreyFoxx:

Mythbackend can record/read the iptv stream and the FE can play back via that

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GreyFoxx:

but the FE will not directly read the iptv feed

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Spulit:

Damn... :(

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abk_switch:

what would i set up a hauppage BT878-based tuner as?

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Spulit:

It would be great if that was possible, since the performance will be better for those who don't want the recording features...

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abk_switch:

i grow so weary of rebuilding my kernel modules

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GreyFoxx:

Spulit: Likely never happen

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abk_switch:

i thought kinda the point of mythtv was the recording, heh

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iamlindoro:

It would be great if I had a pony

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iamlindoro:

and naked chickzzzz

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abk_switch:

i want a snowmobile personally

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GreyFoxx:

OMG ponies

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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jams_:

wow GreyFoxx's cat typing skills have really improved

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Dibblah:

I want this guy's wallet. http://www.bwired.nl/

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jams_:

all in a matter of a day or so.

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abk_switch:

anyone experienced with hauppage wintv-go +mythtv? having issues over here

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iamlindoro:

It's time to let the 90's tuner technology go

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abk_switch:

yeah i have no job. new tuner not in the budget.

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iamlindoro:

join the non-framegrabber revolution

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abk_switch:

so unless someone has a freebie, my options are to make this one work.

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iamlindoro:

Oh well, the last decade of therapy has helped me suppress all knowledge of framegrabbers

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iamlindoro:

now I just go to my happy place when someone says "WinTV Go"

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iamlindoro:

OMG PONIES!

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iamlindoro:

Anyway, this room doesn't volunteer help (as it's no fun to become the personal target of a barrage of questions), you should probably just ask a question

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abk_switch:

the issue isnt getting the card itself to work, i have that done fine. myth see's it fine. but mythtv still says no sources when i start the backend

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abk_switch:

so i guess .... what could cause that? how do i fix it? am i even in the right spot to be TRYING to start watching tv? :-/

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abk_switch:

i gotta reboot the box and get the new modules loaded

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iamlindoro:

did you set up a listings source and bond it to an input on the card?

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iamlindoro:

ie, the steps in mythtv-setup are numbered for a reason-- they must all be done, and all in order

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BenB:

abk_switch: tell the exact backend log output, and the cardinput / capturecard DB table contents, in pastebin.ca

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abk_switch:

i was using zap2xml for listings

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abk_switch:

k box is coming back up

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abk_switch:

maybe i just need to find a better how-to, i've never done mythtv before now

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abk_switch:

i feel like i missed several important steps

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iamlindoro:

You're in the USA, you have no excuse for not using schedules direct

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BenB:

quite possible. there's a detailed step-by-step instruction under "documentation" in the wiki, iirc

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BenB:

iamlindoro: be a bit more friendly.

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iamlindoro:

BenB, I'll be as like, thanks

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Josh_Borke:

schedulesdirect really is superior imo

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BenB:

iamlindoro: apart from that, he said he's unemployed.

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abk_switch:

iamlindoro: yes i do. it costs money.

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iamlindoro:

BenB, Then he's got bigger concerns than setting up a Myth box

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abk_switch:

i have no job, i'm a full time student again finally

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BenB:

iamlindoro: no, you are not entitled to be arbitrarly mean and abusing to random strangers.

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iamlindoro:

BenB, Actually, I'm entitled to behave in any way I like

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iamlindoro:

feel free to try to do something about it

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BenB:

a-h

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iamlindoro:

hmm, I'm the "mean" one but you're the first to be reduced to namecalling. Interesting.

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BenB:

aha

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BenB:

a-h, as in "a, h"

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BenB:

iamlindoro: "I'll abuse people as I like and you can't stop me"

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iamlindoro:

Don't put quotes around it, I didn't say that

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BenB:

iamlindoro: FWIW, I agree with all you said. but it was also not helpful at all.

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iamlindoro:

But if you don't like the way I help people, feel free to ignore it

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iamlindoro:

BenB, People using projcts who violate term of service to get listings for free *harms* MythTV

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iamlindoro:

So I'm under no obligation to help them do so

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abk_switch:

iamlindoro: i dont think i'm violating any TOS using a free service provided on the web

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BenB:

iamlindoro: correct. just remain silent, then, that's all I meant.

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iamlindoro:

abk_switch, Oh yes you are-- those Windows MEdia Center listings are provided under terms which require they be a) used with their original software, and b) be used in conjunction with a windows license

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iamlindoro:

Go read the terms and shoe me the part that say you are free to use them with any software you wish

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iamlindoro:

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/mediacente . . . g_tosV3.mspx

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abk_switch:

so ... zap2it.com is providing me a service that seems to be theirs, that violates someone elses TOS?

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iamlindoro:

zap1it is NOT providing you with the same service

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iamlindoro:

they both purchase from the same listings provider, as does schedules direct

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abk_switch:

oh, that i DIDNT know

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iamlindoro:

"The EPG may only be accessed with an authorized personal computer using the Product."

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iamlindoro:

where the product = Windows Media Center

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abk_switch:

i _have_ a windows media center box

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abk_switch:

i'm on it, right now

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iamlindoro:

and you can use the epg with that software

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iamlindoro:

but NOT withMyth TV or mc2xml

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iamlindoro:

as it violates terms of service

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abk_switch:

i cant even find anywhere on zap2it's site where it says where they get it from

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d0netsFN:

hey if i added "record this showing on any channel any time" and it picked a bunch of hd channels that i dont have

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d0netsFN:

how can i change them to record the show only on the hd channels

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iamlindoro:

abk_switch, I'll save you finding it-- they all purchase from Tribune Media Services

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abk_switch:

iamlindoro: i believe you, just saying, i didnt see anywhere that said that

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iamlindoro:

It's in their best interest to obfuscate who they buy it from, don't want you cutting out the middle man

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abk_switch:

i dont get why they'd give it to me for free if it costs them $$$

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iamlindoro:

abk_switch, It's rolled into their license cost

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GreyFoxx:

zap2it is owned by TMS

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abk_switch:

ah

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GreyFoxx:

but a seperate business

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GreyFoxx:

and they buy them from TMS

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abk_switch:

well the xml thing i use is owned/maintained by the same company

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GreyFoxx:

Microsoft pays them lots of money to get listings for their software

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abk_switch:

anyway, thats neither here nor there

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abk_switch:

bbl, gotta run an errand

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JEDIDIAH__:

mark the channels you don't have as not visible.

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JEDIDIAH__:

mythweb is probably the easiest for that... short of SQL

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BenB:

d0netsFN: ^^ that was to you

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d0netsFN:

ok

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** JEDIDIAH__ tweaks his channel table **

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d0netsFN:

where do i do that

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d0netsFN:

can i do it in mythweb?

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BenB:

I would really appreciate if people could read

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d0netsFN:

oh lol

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d0netsFN:

sorry

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JEDIDIAH__:

channel setup is under "settings".

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BenB:

iamlindoro: FWIW, sorry for the "a-h"

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iamlindoro:

no offense taken :)

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RyeBrye:

when the switch to DTV happens on Feb 17th, I think some of my frequencies for the OTA ATSC stuff will change. Any predictions on how fast SchedulesDirect will have their OTA lineups updated?

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RyeBrye:

I'm assuming that I'll have to go into mythtv-setup the morning after the switchover and manually re-rerun my channel scan on my HDHR to find them all?

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yunosh:

hi, if my CAM is not working, does it make sense to take a look at myth at all, or is that all done by the dvb/v4l layer?

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iamlindoro_:

RyeBrye: Yes, that should work, and I've seen Schedules Direct take from two days to two weeks to update a lineup-- in the short term you can manaually put the XMLTVids where they belong and be just as good

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RyeBrye:

cool

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iamlindoro_:

I would assume they will be inundated with requests at around that time, so it may or may not slow response time

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RyeBrye:

Who is the TV engineer in the room? I'm wondering how / if I can see on FCC's website what the change in broadcast power will be on Feb 17th – I don't know if it will show up in the current licenses or if it is in some other section – but presumably antennaweb.org has access to that info since it can show stuff post feb 17th

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iamlindoro_:

Antennaweb has links to documents for each station detailing power or engineering changes

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RyeBrye:

oh, I'll try their links

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iamlindoro_:

also each broadcaster's web site should publicize those documents

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RyeBrye:

hmm... http://www.titantv.com/quickguide/quickguide.aspx <-- aside from the ads this is one of the nicer guide listsings pages I've seen....

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iamlindoro_:

gbee: Heh, I'm glad that startup indicator is the busy dialog now-- Now I can put my busy animation to the test :)

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xal2:

I'm having some trouble with mythtv. I get an image with a lot of synthetic noise. I've tested the tuner in TVTime so I know it works fine. It is a PCHDTV 5500. The audio bitrate is set to 48k on both the server and the client. The image occasionally shows clearly, but like I said, it's filled with "synthetic noise" for most of the time. i have no idea how to fix it.

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Dibblah:

xal2: TVTime uses the card as an analog card.

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Dibblah:

I assume you've set it up in Myth the same?

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justinh:

wth is 'synthetic noise' when it's at home?

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xal2:

I figured it out.

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justinh:

blockiness? wavy lines? que?

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xal2:

It was because active EIT scan was enabled on the digital tuner of my card.

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: Techno music

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xal2:

It's all through one input cable.

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justinh:

these darned hybrid cards. I wish they'd just go away

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justinh:

wonder how many people are gonna be all ????? shortly :D

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justinh:

yunosh: if your cam no worky in linux, it no worky in mythtv

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justinh:

and er. wow. how it feels to have done a day's work in production. 53 machines out of the door by my own hand

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yunosh:

justinh: that wasn't exactly my question, because it's pretty obvious

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justinh:

yunosh: yes, I believe you asked if the cam didn't work outside mythtv would it work in mythtv

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yunosh:

yeah, but it turns out, that it doesn't work automatically in any application

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yunosh:

so i need ssupport in both the driver and the viewing application

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justinh:

I think it's transparent to the viewing app

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yunosh:

heh, someone from linuxtv said the opposite :)

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abk_switch:

okay .... i _have_ my card set up, but I still get ERROR: no valid capture cards defined in the database

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abk_switch:

and obviously mythtv doesnt see it when i start it up then

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justinh:

yunosh: I stand corrected :)

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abk_switch:

am i misunderstanding something? is that related to the channel xml?

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KungFuJesus:

Hello

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abk_switch:

hi

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KungFuJesus:

Dagmar: I have a question for you when you have time

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KungFuJesus:

Dagmar: many of the modems I dug up were sadly winmodems, however I realize that this just means most of it must be handled in software. My question is how do I know when a modem is supported in Linux, obviously a modem behaves in a very generic fashion with no specific kernel module to be found

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KungFuJesus:

I found a US Robotics one but it was ISA which doesn't exist on this computer. If the need is found, I may do it over a network somehow

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abk_switch:

YAY tuner works. now i just need to figure out the remote and channel listings, and figure out why my system doesnt find the sound

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iamlindoro_:

abk_switch: There's a pretty good section in the official myth manual regarding framegrabber sound issues

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iamlindoro_:

Don't recall which numerical section off the top of my head

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abk_switch:

well ... my system knows that the device is there, but it refuses to load the driver for some reason

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abk_switch:

i've modprobed it even, and it probes fine, but then doesnt show up on lsmod anywhere. rather bizzare.

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abk_switch:

the TV audio thing says used by '0'

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abk_switch:

whatever that means

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abk_switch:

whats the hotkey to record?

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iamlindoro_:

abk_switch: Myth is always recording

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iamlindoro_:

(at least, when watching live TV)

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abk_switch:

oh

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abk_switch:

so ... intheory i should have a file i can copy/play on another machien to test sound, yes?

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iamlindoro_:

I you want to treat the live TV recording as a scheduled recording (ie save it and don't auto-expire it) you press R

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abk_switch:

cool

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abk_switch:

thanks

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iamlindoro_:

abk_switch: Yeah, as long as it's longer than about a minute, it should stick around at least 24 hours

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iamlindoro_:

or until you run out of space and myth expires it

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iamlindoro_:

s/out/low/

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abk_switch:

ah

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iamlindoro_:

That's for LiveTV behavior, btw

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iamlindoro_:

Myth will do everything it can to preserve actual recordings or things you hit "R" on

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abk_switch:

cool, makes sense

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iamlindoro_:

Live TV will expire (by default) right away if the recording is < 60 seconds or after 24 hours or when low on spac

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iamlindoro_:

e

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abk_switch:

do you think 70gb 'operating' drive is enough for "normal" dvr?

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iamlindoro_:

But it's a nice feature to be able to do to your recordings, filter by live TV and say "Hey, I wish I had recorded that show yesterday" and swap it into a "real" recording

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abk_switch:

i need to figure out how to set up transcoding so I can use this to record our shows and store them

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iamlindoro_:

70 GB is a bit low, but it depends totally on your usage/recording settings/SD versus HD, etc.

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abk_switch:

well there wont be any HD getting recorded

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iamlindoro_:

If you only intend to keep a couple shows at any given time, it could be more than enough

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abk_switch:

we dont pay for cable

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abk_switch:

we just have the free stuff that comes over the lines

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abk_switch:

and as i recall our old DVR box was like 80gb, would hold PLENTY of stuff in SD

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abk_switch:

not so much in HD. heh.

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iamlindoro_:

depends on your recordings profiles-- Even in SD, you could fill it quickly or slowly depending on your desire

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abk_switch:

ah

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abk_switch:

well if i could figure out how to transcode this file to see if it got audio or not ....

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KungFuJesus:

is there such thing as an SD Digital Tuner Card? I've yet to see one

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abk_switch:

or i guess i could just hook up my headphones to the box. hah.

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iamlindoro_:

but anyway, if you find yourself filling it quickly, disk is fairly cheap and a 320 GB should be super cheap

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abk_switch:

yeh i have another drive laying around if it comes down to it, i'm sure

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iamlindoro_:

KungFuJesus: Since there's no such thing as an HD digital tuner card, there's no such thing as an SD digital tuner card either :)

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iamlindoro_:

KungFuJesus: ie digital tuners are resolution agnostic

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KungFuJesus:

that's what I thought

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iamlindoro_:

so SD/HD/etc. have no meaning to them

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KungFuJesus:

the display device has determines the output resolution

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KungFuJesus:

so either way your videos are giant

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iamlindoro_:

yes, and the parameters of the stream determine the recording resolution, but the card doesn't care

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iamlindoro_:

heck, they could be text files if they were modulated correctly

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KungFuJesus:

right

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KungFuJesus:

so it's up to the broadcaster essentially

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iamlindoro_:

yep, exactly right

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iamlindoro_:

and abstracting one layer further, up to the licensing body to determine standards buy which they have to operate

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KungFuJesus:

am I the only one who notices CBS always claims to broadcast in 5.1 when in fact they only broadcast in

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KungFuJesus:

stereo everywhere

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abk_switch:

KungFuJesus: i've noticed that too

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abk_switch:

thought maybe it was just my local one, heh

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iamlindoro_:

Hm, I get 5.1 from CBS

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KungFuJesus:

every download of it I've seen in pretty in stereo with the exception of a few files here and there

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KungFuJesus:

and the audio is DTS, not MP3

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KungFuJesus:

errr AC3

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KungFuJesus:

derr, whoops

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iamlindoro_:

Well, that's downloads, what about the stream from a real provider?

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iamlindoro_:

For mine: Stream #0.1[0x80]: Audio: liba52, 48000 Hz, 5:1, 448 kb/s

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KungFuJesus:

Stereo AC3, every time

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KungFuJesus:

it's agonizing

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iamlindoro_:

I'd contact your local broadcaster, see what they're mangling-- I get 5.1 on all primetime shows at least

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abk_switch:

okay ... now to figure out the sound. i got a ghetto-channel scan in, no listings but it works.

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KungFuJesus:

somebody needs to pressure broadcasters everywhere to broadcast in higher qualities

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KungFuJesus:

what seems to happen a lot is the channel will sell bandwidth so they can multiplex stations under it

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iamlindoro_:

KungFuJesus: Local broadcasters generally do so at maximum channel width, they can't go any higher

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KungFuJesus:

it's so annoying, because that one extra SD broadcast sometimes leads to 720p resolutions or stereo audio if you're CBS

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iamlindoro_:

KungFuJesus: Erm... CBS will *never* be 720p unless your broadcaster is breaking their contract

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KungFuJesus:

no it's in 1080i, however it's stereo audio

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KungFuJesus:

bastards

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KungFuJesus:

:(

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iamlindoro_:

Sucky

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KungFuJesus:

I know

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KungFuJesus:

I let PL-II do it's best to try to make it surround, it's not always good at it

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KungFuJesus:

although sometimes I get annoyed that all dialogue goes to the center channel, it's usually not loud enough

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tomtom099:

go for a good center speaker :)

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KungFuJesus:

sometimes the LFE drowns sound, too

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KungFuJesus:

in which case I have to turn the woofer down

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abk_switch:

arg .... so close to this being done but yet so far :( lol

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KungFuJesus:

I've also discovered 1080i X.264--barely bearable, 1080p X.264=CPU rape

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iamlindoro_:

H

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KungFuJesus:

it will do 1080i x264 without too much of a problem, but 1080p x264 hates life

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KungFuJesus:

yeah, H.264

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KungFuJesus:

where X264 = decoder

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iamlindoro_:

Not trying to be a pain, just trying to correct a common misconception :)

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iamlindoro_:

encoder

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iamlindoro_:

but yeah :)

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KungFuJesus:

decoder too

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iamlindoro_:

encoder only

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clever:

i just call it 264

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KungFuJesus:

grrr

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KungFuJesus:

well stupid ffmpeg then

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iamlindoro_:

KungFuJesus: actually, you are right

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iamlindoro_:

I stand corrected

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abk_switch:

iamlindoro: i found a page about the wintv-Go's on the mythwiki, but yeah. still no dice on the audio

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KungFuJesus:

is there anyway to make it more bearable? I've done -lavdopts fast:skiploopfilter=all:threads=3

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KungFuJesus:

still chokes and pukes when it comes to frame dropping

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iamlindoro_:

KungFuJesus: If you've done that, that's pretty much the limit of what you can manage (as multithreading an turning off deblocking are the two biggies)

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iamlindoro_:

you MIGHT try -sws 0

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KungFuJesus:

:(

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iamlindoro_:

which reverts it to the simplest sotware scaling type

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clever:

i dont think 'fast' even works with 264

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iamlindoro_:

but you are unlikely to gain too much from that

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KungFuJesus:

hmm

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KungFuJesus:

what should my -vfm be?

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KungFuJesus:

dshow or ffmpeg?

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iamlindoro_:

on linux? fmpeg

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iamlindoro_:

ffmpeg

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KungFuJesus:

gah, it's all CoreAVC's fault

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KungFuJesus:

with their ridiculous software patents

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iamlindoro_:

oh, if you're using coreAVC, you need directshow

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KungFuJesus:

no I'm using freesoftware

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KungFuJesus:

just

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KungFuJesus:

CoreAVC has the only reasonable fast software decoder

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KungFuJesus:

and nobody is allowed to use it at all

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iamlindoro_:

Yes, it does a good job

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iamlindoro_:

KungFuJesus: So why not use CoreAVC in linux?

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iamlindoro_:

You can buy it an use it w/ mplayer

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KungFuJesus:

is there anyway to make it work in mplayer. I read once you can do it with the win32codec functionality

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KungFuJesus:

how do you use it?

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iamlindoro_:

http://code.google.com/p/coreavc-for-linux/

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iamlindoro_:

and IIRC you don't use w32codecs

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iamlindoro_:

but a patch to use dshow and set up the filter in wine

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iamlindoro_:

http://code.google.com/p/coreavc-for-linux/wi . . . Installation

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KungFuJesus:

is it free or do I need to buy a license?

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iamlindoro_:

you need to buy a license

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iamlindoro_:

for coreavc-- the linux side of the software is free

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wagnerrp:

i hear a big truck... could it be... the UPS?!?

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KungFuJesus:

so wait, the method you just sent me doesn't require buying the license? Or is there a Windows component that must be purchased in order for it to work on the Linux end?

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iamlindoro_:

yes, you must purchase the windows software to work in linux

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iamlindoro_:

the linux components that allow it to work are free and open source

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wagnerrp:

nope, just yet another salt truck

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KungFuJesus:

alright, I'll buy it I suppose, assuming the license isn't a per seat license

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wagnerrp:

KungFuJesus: thats just some glue to get the windows driver working under mplayer

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KungFuJesus:

hmm, is there a layman repo for this in gentoo to have the patch already applied?

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iamlindoro_:

I don't imagine-- read the wiki, it's a bit more involved than just patching

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iamlindoro_:

Well, the mplayer part is that simple, but setting up the dshowserver and all that takes a bit of effort

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iamlindoro_:

(and customizing license info and all that)

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KungFuJesus:

non-free bastards at coreAVC :(

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iamlindoro_:

With their feeding their families and their purchasing goods and services

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wagnerrp:

KungFuJesus: to be honest, ffmpeg tends to do almost as good a job as coreavc these days

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wagnerrp:

ive heard the only significant advantage anymore is that they multithread their deinterlacer

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quicksilver:

iamlindoro_: it's their own fault they have families. THey have no one to blame but theirselves.

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KungFuJesus:

hmm, well if that's true then maybe I shouldn't buy it

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wagnerrp:

so that 1080i content may play better, but its probably not going to be able to play back the 1080p content if ffmpeg is failing hard

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iamlindoro_:

quicksilver: Sterilizations for all!

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KungFuJesus:

that's upsetting, a P4 at 2.8 ghz should be able to handle things smoothly

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iamlindoro_:

Last time I tried it a year or so ago it was substantially faster than ffmpeg, but ffmpeg has put in a fair number of improvements since

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wagnerrp:

like hell it should

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wagnerrp:

netburst was a horrible architecture

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iamlindoro_:

KungFuJesus: That's asking WAY too much of that system

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KungFuJesus:

wagnerrp: yes but windows equivalent with the same hardware would handle it just fine

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wagnerrp:

to be honest, decoding performance depends more on bitrate and postprocessing than resolution

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iamlindoro_:

a P4 barely manages MPEG-2, expecting any sort of usable performce for high resolution h.264 is insanity

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wagnerrp:

KungFuJesus: i bet you right now that P4 could not manage to decode those files in windows

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KungFuJesus:

my CPU barely needs to burn through Myth's MPEG-2's in HD

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KungFuJesus:

only eats like 60% of the CPU

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wagnerrp:

thats a lot of CPU

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iamlindoro_:

KungFuJesus: Decoding processor requirements for h.264 are many times that of mpeg-2

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KungFuJesus:

well it's considerable but not unbearable

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KungFuJesus:

I realize that

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iamlindoro_:

so 60% x many times = >100%

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KungFuJesus:

gahh, buying new hardware for this is such a pain

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wagnerrp:

anyway, in windows, youre probably getting some sort of GPU offload

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KungFuJesus:

with a 7600 GT?

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wagnerrp:

certainly

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KungFuJesus:

according to nvidia that's not possible

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abk_switch:

iamlindoro: can you help get my sound working? i'm stumped. alsa is loaded, thats all i've ever had to do in the past

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KungFuJesus:

only the 8xxx series and up support X264 acceleration

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wagnerrp:

NO

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wagnerrp:

only the 8xxx and up support FULL offload acceleration

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wagnerrp:

everything since the 6-series has had some form of h264 offload

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KungFuJesus:

well wtf nvidia, why don't they allow SOME acceleration with their linux drivers?

[18:01:27]

wagnerrp:

because they chose not to

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KungFuJesus:

god I hate nvidia

[18:01:36]

wagnerrp:

they may choose to support the older cards in the future

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abk_switch:

us linux users are evil, didn't you know?

[18:01:38]

wagnerrp:

probably not

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KungFuJesus:

they broke xvmc support while using the AGP Bus too

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iamlindoro_:

abk_switch: It's been like a decade since I had a framegrabber, I honestly don't have more advice than to check the myth docs and/or #alsa

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quicksilver:

KungFuJesus: if you allow linux drivers acceleration the evil linux people will STEAL all films and STEAL all your algorithms and SELL your children to the communists!

[18:02:17]

KungFuJesus:

they just ignore you on their forums unless you spent 9000 bajillion dollars on their new card

[18:02:21]

quicksilver:

KungFuJesus: it's well known.

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abk_switch:

iamlindoro: its not even that. audio PERIOD isn't working. hah.

[18:02:47]

abk_switch:

once i have the sound working in general i think i have myth configured right to just output to alsa

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wagnerrp:

KungFuJesus: i spent about $100 between a pair of new cards for my two frontends

[18:02:54]

KungFuJesus:

no, they want you to pay so much damn money for their drivers

[18:03:03]

wagnerrp:

their drivers are free

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iamlindoro_:

KungFuJesus, quicksilver, wagnerrp: Let's be realistic-- VDPAU is the FREE linux equivalent of what people in Windows pay $50+ for, and they don't get an API, and it only works in a couple players

[18:03:17]

iamlindoro_:

We're making off like bandits

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iamlindoro_:

PureVideo HD in Windows = not free

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KungFuJesus:

for their cards with those drivers*

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wagnerrp:

the hardware acceleration is $30 in windows, or comes bundled with some payware dvd players

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iamlindoro_:

VDPAU = free and open

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KungFuJesus:

VDPAU only works on the 9xxx cards

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KungFuJesus:

which means new mobo

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wagnerrp:

and 8xxx cards

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KungFuJesus:

new memory

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iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp: $30 for the *lowest level* IIRC

[18:04:01]

KungFuJesus:

new CPU

[18:04:03]

KungFuJesus:

new video card

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KungFuJesus:

brb

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wagnerrp:

KungFuJesus: or grab a PCI card

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iamlindoro_:

KungFuJesus: As wagnerrp mentions, 8xxx cards too, and PCI cards

[18:04:47]

wagnerrp:

anyway, what bitrate are your files?

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iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp: 6–10 Mbit in MKV containers is my bet ;)

[18:05:06]

wagnerrp:

figure that 2.8 P4 might be able to push ~7mbps with no postprocessing

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wagnerrp:

throw in a software deinterlacer, and you might be down to 5–6

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wagnerrp:

use cavlc instead of cabac and youre back up to 9mbps or so

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wagnerrp:

of course only apple and clueless rippers use cavlc

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abk_switch:

YAY sound output works

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abk_switch:

now the question is does it work for recording/playback

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abk_switch:

and the answer is no. YAY.

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iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp: From looking at the Purevideo page, looks like it goes $20–50, with the variables actually being audio formats supported

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iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp: Anyway, free w/ API wins :)

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abk_switch:

bahhhh

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iamlindoro_:

Anduin: Do you have two seconds for a super-quick patch?

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abk_switch:

so close but so far

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Anduin:

iamlindoro_: sure

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iamlindoro_:

Anduin: http://rafb.net/p/FLFZks98.html Fixes the new category dialog in edit metadata

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro_: oh, i had actually thought if you bought from nvidia, they just gave you a dshow filter for the video that happened to work with their included dvd player

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iamlindoro_:

Anduin: No need to apply it now or anything, I'm sure you'll want to test it, but it didn't seem worth opening a ticket (unless you want me to)

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Anduin:

iamlindoro_: I was just going to make sure it compiled and commit it, I'll just blame you if it doesn't work :)

[18:19:42]

iamlindoro_:

It does compile, I'll promise that much ;)

[18:20:21]

iamlindoro_:

I'll make this promise-- it won't be any MORE broken than it is right now ;)

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Anduin:

iamlindoro_: commit being slowed by me not having updated/built in several days, looks fine though

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iamlindoro_:

Anduin: Thanks a lot

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danny:

Can anyone direct me to find linux compatible tv tuner cards?

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iamlindoro_:

linuxtv.org

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danny:

gracias

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iamlindoro_:

de nada

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iamlindoro_:

(once you get there, you want the v4l-dvb wiki, btw)

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danny:

ahh ok

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JackWinter:

do you guys know anything about xmltv ?

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BenB:

JackWinter: yes.

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JackWinter:

i don't have a mythtv system, since my sat reciever isn't supported as a backend. but i'd like to use xmltv listings to make epg for it. any good tutorials on the net ?

[18:38:54]

Dagmar:

Not to state the obvious, but wouldn't it be easier just to use a listings website?

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Dagmar:

The xmltv stuff is "sorta" documented

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JackWinter:

probably :), but on the otherhand it's nice to have it in the box. makes programming for recording much nicer too.

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Dagmar:

I guess.

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BenB:

JackWinter: you have a propprietary receiver which doesn't hand out the recordings, but it does allow you to supply your own EPG data?

[18:40:15]

Dagmar:

Does your reciever have an RF remote?

[18:40:29]

JackWinter:

i have a dreambox, and a linux system i can use to get the xml files. but i still don't understand very well how it all works, so i'd be happy to read a few tutorials :)

[18:40:55]

Dagmar:

BenB: I was assuming he's just patching through using composite output. A Myth box would still use the metadata from it's EPG on recordings one makes

[18:40:57]

BenB:

JackWinter: if you can record with dreambox, you can also record with mythtv.

[18:41:12]

Dagmar:

He just wouldn't be able to record unattended because he'll have to manually re-aim the dish and change the channel

[18:41:21]

JackWinter:

BenB: i can load a plugin to use the xml files.

[18:41:34]

JackWinter:

Dagmar: i think the remote is infrared

[18:41:42]

BenB:

JackWinter: you're a programmer and want to write a converter, that's it?

[18:41:43]

Dagmar:

JackWinter: Xmltv uses XML, which is suprisingly human-readable

[18:41:54]

Dagmar:

JackWinter: This is a big-dish system, right?

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BenB:

Dagmar: yes. you've seen it in the movie "Contact", in fact.

[18:42:31]

Dagmar:

Seen what?

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sid3windr:

it

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BenB:

Dagmar: nevermind, just kidding

[18:42:57]

Dagmar:

Well, my parents had a big dish (still have, in fact) system when I was growing up

[18:43:11]

BenB:

Dagmar: I just don't know what you mean with "big dish".

[18:43:25]

Dagmar:

I don't think the "usual" external channel changing code would cope with having to reaim the dish at different satellites, which is going to be an issue

[18:43:26]

BenB:

Dagmar: if 1,2 meter counts as big, I also have one.

[18:43:52]

Dagmar:

BenB: I'm talking about the six foot across dishes with the motor you have to use to point at individual satellites

[18:44:05]

Dagmar:

The "little dish" systems are things like DirectTV, etc

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iamlindoro_:

Myth's DiSeqc support includes support for rotore/motors

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abk_switch:

back in the day when I had a dish that had to re-aim, changing the channel re-aimed it for me? is that not how they work now?

[18:44:12]

iamlindoro_:

rotors

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BenB:

Dagmar: that's disecq, if I'm not mistaken, and it's supported by mythtv.

[18:44:22]

Dagmar:

Ah cool

[18:44:37]

Dagmar:

Well, he _should_ be able to have it repoint his dish then with some LIRC haxory

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abk_switch:

ah

[18:45:03]

BenB:

JackWinter: you want to write a convert from xmltv to dreambox's epg xml format?

[18:45:05]

Dagmar:

RF remotes tend to be a bit more common with big-dish systems

[18:45:22]

Dagmar:

JackWinter: So do ya know any perl?

[18:45:33]

JackWinter:

i'm not really a programmer, just sick and tied of lousy epg. since i discovered the uk freesat, i'd like to pull in channel listings for the channels i watch. i'd also like to get some spanish channel info for my girlfriend. the dreambox is quite a nice system. it can record onto a cifs or nfs mount, in .ts format. it can playback .ts and mpeg from the server. it can stream to vlc for watching tv on the computer, and i can watch the vlc

[18:45:33]

JackWinter:

output on my tv, using the cpu in the computer to decode mp4 and stuff that the box can't handle. finally it has a webinterface for changing channels...

[18:46:41]

Dagmar:

XML::Simple would be pure win

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BenB:

JackWinter: have you searched the web whether somebody already wrote a converter from xmltv to dreambox's epg xml format, whatever it is?

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BenB:

JackWinter: that'd be your best bet. apart from that, you'd need a definition or example of dreambox' xml format, and the way how to get it on it.

[18:47:43]

JackWinter:

i have a motorized dish but don't use the rotor any more. have 7 lnbs through 2 disecq swithces.

[18:48:05]

BenB:

JackWinter: heh, wow

[18:48:38]

BenB:

I have 4 LNBs (all aimed at Astra, which carries all stations I need), and I thought that's a lot :)

[18:48:41]

KungFuJesus:

iamlindoro_ and wagnerrp you realize that PCI memory access is terrible?

[18:49:05]

iamlindoro_:

KungFuJesus: It's bitstreaming, you use minute amounts of the PCI bus, it's FAR more than adequate for VDPAU

[18:49:06]

KungFuJesus:

not to mention how terribly bogged down my PCI bandwidth already is, Gigabit network card and two tuners

[18:49:24]

KungFuJesus:

I use it for emulators for N64 and PSX as well

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iamlindoro_:

KungFuJesus: You are streaming absolutely *trivial* amounts of data to the card for VDPAU

[18:49:59]

KungFuJesus:

yes, but not for mupen64plus, or epsxe

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iamlindoro_:

PCI is more than adequate for that, too

[18:50:14]

JackWinter:

the thing is that i just installed xmltv on my computer and ran tv_grab_uk_rt -configure and then the script, which resulted in a lot of screen output :) i suppoe i have to pipe or redirect that to a file. it's just since i"ve never played at all with it that i feel like a complete noob and don't know where to start :)

[18:50:27]

BenB:

the silence in my inbox since my new spam filter is deafening. I only get a few dozen mails per mails anymore.

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Dubstar_04:

Has anyone ever looked at a skype plugin?

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KungFuJesus:

what about the latency over the bus?

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BenB:

Dubstar_04: not even the SIP phone was maintained

[18:51:40]

Dubstar_04:

did anyone use it though?

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KungFuJesus:

and why are you talking about VDPAU as though it's even a possibility, it's so buggy right now, it's at least a year or two from being usable

[18:51:55]

BenB:

Dubstar_04: no idea – it would have liked to, but it never worked for me.

[18:51:57]

iamlindoro_:

KungFuJesus: What about it? There is *nothing* about PCI that should prevent you from successfully running VDPAU/emulators/pretty much anything you like

[18:52:09]

BenB:

maybe the UI was just too clunky, but it was very unfinished, barely usable

[18:52:13]

iamlindoro_:

KungFuJesus: And no, it won't be a two or even one year before VDPAU stabilizes

[18:52:18]

BenB:

s/barely/hardly/

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Dubstar_04:

BenB: I got it to work on a local network

[18:52:22]

KungFuJesus:

hwo mcuh is a 9400?

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iamlindoro_:

google.com

[18:52:37]

BenB:

Dubstar_04: ok, but that's useless for me. I yell within the house. :)

[18:52:53]

KungFuJesus:

and it will be as powerful or moreso than my 7600 GT?

[18:52:54]

Dubstar_04:

BenB: never worked through through the router

[18:53:02]

KungFuJesus:

mujst PCI versions are underpowered ridiculously

[18:53:14]

KungFuJesus:

I'm running N64 games at 1920x1080

[18:53:19]

BenB:

Dubstar_04: same here. my hardware SIP phone works just fine.

[18:53:27]

Dubstar_04:

Same here

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BenB:

(but without video :) )

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KungFuJesus:

most*

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Dagmar:

KungFuJesus: Being that we're not spinning the video on the wall of a ice-limned dwarven castle, how "powerful" your video card is doesn't much matter.

[18:53:46]

iamlindoro_:

KungFuJesus: Jesus, I'm not going to argue with you to try to help you-- fine then, you need to buy all new hardware, enjoy

[18:54:27]

KungFuJesus:

I'm not trying to argue with you, I'm just frustrated at nvidia

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Dubstar_04:

People would use skype, wouldn't they?

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Dagmar:

Either your card is one of the chips that handles VDPAU (in which case you'll be fine) or it won't be (in which case you'll need LOTS of CPU to do HD 1080, but SD shoudln't be too hard)

[18:54:44]

Dagmar:

Dubstar_04: Skype spooks me

[18:54:53]

BenB:

the mame in mythtv now supports N64 and PSX1 ?

[18:54:55]

Dubstar_04:

Dagmar: why?

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KungFuJesus:

gha, I have the ubiquity of H.264

[18:55:06]

iamlindoro_:

BenB: Myth doesn't come with MAME at all

[18:55:09]

Dagmar:

Because anyone who gives away lane-line calls seems like they're up to sometehing

[18:55:10]

BenB:

Dubstar_04: closed source, no control over what it does.

[18:55:13]

KungFuJesus:

hate*

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iamlindoro_:

BenB: Mythgame is just a launcher for any old emu you like

[18:55:25]

meshe:

KungFuJesus: http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=9400+prices

[18:55:26]

KungFuJesus:

Mpeg2 has no trouble with my CPU

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meshe:

:)

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BenB:

iamlindoro: ah, so I have to set it all up myself?

[18:55:49]

iamlindoro_:

BenB: Yeah, but it's not too much harder than setting up an external video player

[18:56:06]

Dubstar_04:

What other options are there instead of skype?

[18:56:17]

BenB:

iamlindoro: ok... and the N64 and PSX emulators for linux are decent by now? last time I checked, which is many years ago, they were crappy, IIRC.

[18:56:18]

KungFuJesus:

meshe: for me to even consider a pci based solution I have to know it will work first and not but be destroyed by the PCI bus shared bandwidth

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BenB:

Dubstar_04: SIP

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Dubstar_04:

ha ha

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iamlindoro_:

BenB: Yeah, there are a couple good PSX emus (epsxe is the one I commonly use) and I head mupen64 is pretty good

[18:56:52]

iamlindoro_:

heard

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JackWinter:

oh well forging on, running tv_grab_uk_rt --output ~/Desktop/uk.xml at the moment, suppoe that will give me a place to start :)

[18:57:00]

BenB:

Dubstar_04: SIP is a free standard, SIP is implemented in many open source software, and SIP has tons of providers. SIP is good for you :)

[18:57:03]

KungFuJesus:

mupen64plus has a more maintained codebase

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iamlindoro_:

I don't anticipate a new SIP plugin being accepted

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Dubstar_04:

All my family and friends use skype

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KungFuJesus:

mupen64 hasn't been touched in 3 years

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iamlindoro_:

we just crapcanned MythPhone

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Dagmar:

KungFuJesus: The important thing I think you're maybe overlooking is that the model numebr (8600, 9400) being a "high number" ***WILL NOT HELP YOU***

[18:57:50]

BenB:

KungFuJesus: so, I'd try mupen64plus and epsxe?

[18:58:18]

KungFuJesus:

Dagmar: I realize this, but nvidia generally specs them based on the model number. The GDDR width is typically assigned with 256-bit interfaces toward the X6xx and up

[18:58:23]

KungFuJesus:

BenB: yes

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BenB:

KungFuJesus: ok, thanks. any other tips?

[18:58:37]

Dubstar_04:

mediaportal had a skype plugin. could something similar work for myth?

[18:58:50]

KungFuJesus:

BenB: however epsxe is the pretty awful. The best of what's available, but awful

[18:58:54]

Dagmar:

KungFuJesus: Again, NONE of that matters.

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BenB:

KungFuJesus: ok, understood

[18:59:07]

Dubstar_04:

I cant remember how the media portal one worked!!

[18:59:12]

Dagmar:

KungFuJesus: This isn't a bus-width issue. Either your card has a supported chip on it or it doesn't.

[18:59:24]

KungFuJesus:

for VDPAU, but what about a game?

[18:59:26]

JackWinter:

and btw for anyone that cares. the dreambox runs linux :)

[18:59:40]

KungFuJesus:

high resolution textures have to be squeezed through the PCI bus and into the texture memory

[18:59:42]

BenB:

JackWinter: I know.

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Dagmar:

KungFuJesus: For something like World of Warcraft a 9400 isn't going to be fun. For an emulator, a 9400 is overkill because the emulators just by and large don't use much in the way of hardware accelleration

[19:00:18]

Dagmar:

You could use a 5200 and be _fine_ for emus

[19:00:23]

JackWinter:

i'm pretty sure you could control it over a network. it's already possible via html

[19:00:25]

KungFuJesus:

Dagmar: umm, N64 heavily uses GPU acceleration

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abk_switch:

my _main_ rig is on an ati radeon 8600 iirc and it's fine for everything i've ever thrown at it.

[19:00:53]

Dagmar:

KungFuJesus: Oh yeah. I'm SOOOO sure Nintendo used an API with the same features as DirectX 9, ten years ago

[19:00:55]

BenB:

KungFuJesus: N64 emus were playable 5–8 years ago (don't remember exactly).

[19:01:08]

KungFuJesus:

you don't understand, I'm doing texture enhancements, 2xSAI and aniasoptric filtering, antialiasing

[19:01:09]

Dagmar:

KungFuJesus: I guarantee you the damn N64 doesn't need hardware T&L 2.0

[19:01:19]

Dagmar:

I *do* understand

[19:01:22]

BenB:

KungFuJesus: any current graphics card should be fine, as long as the emu is OK and the graphics chip is supported.

[19:01:26]

KungFuJesus:

Dagmar: it does if you want it to look worthwhile at high resolutions

[19:01:43]

Dagmar:

KungFuJesus: If you want to be certain of VDPAU capability, look at http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x . . . endix-h.html

[19:02:10]

KungFuJesus:

I don't get why they can't just make an AGP version and make the PCI cards legacy

[19:02:13]

KungFuJesus:

:(

[19:02:16]

Dagmar:

About halfway down it lists chip models, like G84, G86, G92, etc. You can cross-reference with Wikipedia to be sure of which card sports which chip model

[19:02:40]

sphery:

Wow, someone on -dev list saying, "I read this list and commits which warns when a big change is going in and then I just hold off for a week or two before svn'ing up again." Nice to see someone doing the right thing.

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iamlindoro_:

KungFuJesus: Because they don't sell boards with AGP any more, and they do sell them with PCI slots

[19:02:41]

Dagmar:

Beyond that ALL of the cards that support VDPAU should have every bit of the accelleratory capabilities any of your emus could possibly use

[19:02:55]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: So *he's* the one guy :)

[19:02:59]

sphery:

yeah

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abk_switch:

i miss agp :(

[19:03:17]

BenB:

KungFuJesus: huch? AGP is legacy. PCI versions are important only for those who either need 2–3 or more graphics cards in their system, for many monitors, or for people who have no PCI express slot.

[19:03:20]

abk_switch:

i have 3 or 4 decent cards laying around i can't use in my rebuilt systems

[19:03:24]

KungFuJesus:

but the nicities of AGP will be missed, like Side band addressing and fast writes

[19:03:34]

Dagmar:

abk_switch: I don't, but it's mainly spite for 8X AGP being unsupported for ages

[19:03:38]

shadash:

Like ISA slots

[19:03:38]

justinh:

I'm gonna vote we change the name of this channel to #kungfujesusbitchesaboutstuff

[19:03:46]

sphery:

AGP hasn't been "decent cards" for a number of years now.

[19:03:52]

Dagmar:

KungFuJesus: They're obsolete now. They won't be "missed".

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BenB:

shadash: igitt

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sphery:

Pretty sure that AGP cards tend to be lower-performing than what's integrated on modern mobos

[19:04:15]

Dagmar:

KungFuJesus: I suspect you spend way too much time reading the stuff graphics card ads talk about

[19:04:38]

KungFuJesus:

well now I'm going to find benchmarks of the 7600 GT vs. 9400 PCI

[19:04:43]

sphery:

of course, compared to some of the ISA (or did he ever make it to VLB) cards in use by one person in this channel, AGP is rockin' fast!

[19:04:46]

Dagmar:

TomsHardware

[19:04:48]

justinh:

Dagmar: something to do while waiting for the OS to compile :P

[19:04:52]

iamlindoro_:

justinh: Come now, it's his second day in the channel, I'm fairly certain that's when most people determine they've listened long enough and are "one of the guys" ;)

[19:05:18]

Dagmar:

But if you go looking at the benchmarks for Call of Duty on those cards, when you're planning to play video and run an emu, you're just an idiot.

[19:05:31]

Dagmar:

iamlindoro: third

[19:05:55]

KungFuJesus:

I'm running some windows games with wine, too

[19:06:11]

Dagmar:

Hopefully you'll have more luck than I have

[19:06:26]

Dagmar:

I'm building the freaking thing under Slackware because I can't get UBuntu's build to go much above 10fps

[19:06:30]

iamlindoro_:

Dagmar: Second

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iamlindoro_:

http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1/2009-01-28

[19:06:41]

iamlindoro_:

(Three days ago)

[19:06:54]

Dagmar:

I figured he was here yesterday

[19:06:56]

Dagmar:

I guess not

[19:06:59]

Dagmar:

No biggie

[19:07:03]

iamlindoro_:

Yesterday, today.... second

[19:07:14]

sphery:

might be time zones :)

[19:07:36]

Dagmar:

I think perhaps the daylight savings tank here has ruptured

[19:07:43]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: Except the timestamps on the log are at GMT, so if anything they would make someone seem like they were here extra

[19:07:49]

Dagmar:

Too much load from the added savings Congress passed last year

[19:07:58]

shadash:

Hey I figured out how to make my wang 12" long... I folded it in half ;-)

[19:08:04]

iamlindoro_:

Mmmm, leap seconds

[19:08:17]

KungFuJesus:

I'm the "one guy" hmm...

[19:08:24]

Dagmar:

iamlindoro: So long as the realtime clock never gets DRM

[19:08:46]

shadash:

come on that was gold

[19:08:51]

iamlindoro_:

Dagmar: "I see you're trying to run the date command. Please enter your password to authorize with the central date server"

[19:08:57]

iamlindoro_:

shadash: Yes, props

[19:09:00]

Dagmar:

KungFuJesus: if it seems like we're being hard on you about this, it's because we've seen a lot of money wasted on the wrong video card, and wasted some ourselves

[19:09:20]

KungFuJesus:

I'm trying to not blow a fortune on parts, that's the idea

[19:09:32]

Dagmar:

iamlindoro: more like "I'm sorry, your clock appears to indicate that the date is July 12, 2012. Your certificate expired in 2009. Please contact your vendor for a new certificate."

[19:09:32]

iamlindoro_:

We're trying to help you not blow a fortune on parts :)

[19:09:47]

KungFuJesus:

I just don't know that a 9400 is powerful enough for all the applications I use for mythtv, whereas my only issue with the 7600 GT is lack of H.264 performance

[19:09:52]

Dagmar:

iamlindoro: You may find it amusing that the massive glitch-fest that is Gears of War has collapsed in upon itself now

[19:10:07]

Dagmar:

KungFuJesus: this would be because you are not listening

[19:10:22]

iamlindoro_:

Dagmar: Relating to online play, or just in general?

[19:10:24]

KungFuJesus:

I wish I could try one and find out

[19:10:27]

sphery:

Dagmar: which platform?

[19:10:33]

Dagmar:

Whatdidisay? Oh yeah, the model number (9400, 8600) on your card has nothing to do with what your'e aiming for

[19:10:37]

KungFuJesus:

how much are they?

[19:10:40]

KungFuJesus:

err wait

[19:10:44]

KungFuJesus:

*googles*

[19:10:55]

Dagmar:

sphery: Possibly all. I just know the DRM certificate *expired* on it, so people have to roll their clocks back to play it

[19:10:56]

meshe:

there are huge architecture differences between 7xxx 8xxx and 9xxx cards

[19:11:17]

sphery:

Dagmar: nice... Gotta get out my GoW on X360 and see what happens.

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** iamlindoro_ curbstomps sphery, grabs him as a human shield, and runs screaming into #mythtv **

[19:11:29]

Dagmar:

I *think* it was on Slashdot

[19:11:53]

KungFuJesus:

bahh, they're all PCI-Ex

[19:11:56]

iamlindoro_:

http://www.ripten.com/2009/01/29/gears-of-war . . . ls-the-game/

[19:11:57]

Dagmar:

sphery: I'm just astonished they shipped something with a cert that wasn't at _least_ as long as the expected product lifecycle

[19:12:03]

sphery:

looks like it was PC only

[19:12:09]

Dagmar:

...which might be mean they figured no one would play it for more than a month.

[19:12:10]

sphery:

http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/0 . . . amp;from=rss

[19:12:32]

Dagmar:

I'm waiting for Spore 2.

[19:12:44]

Dagmar:

I have a lot of old MREs I can use to feed the thug.

[19:12:45]

meshe:

can't be worse than Spore 1

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KungFuJesus:

rofl http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814187057

[19:13:13]

KungFuJesus:

sparkle

[19:13:16]

Dagmar:

The thug that comes to live with you to make sure you're not pirating Spore 2 and punches you in the face if you look like you're thinking about doing it.

[19:13:40]

Dagmar:

KungFuJesus: That would be what we call an "ice scraper"

[19:14:17]

KungFuJesus:

?

[19:14:21]

KungFuJesus:

you told me to get a PCI version

[19:14:29]

KungFuJesus:

hell, it's passively cooled

[19:14:36]

KungFuJesus:

if anything that's a bonus

[19:14:41]

KungFuJesus:

brb

[19:14:56]

Dagmar:

Yeah, but Sparkle isn't exactly a great manuf

[19:15:15]

Dagmar:

...and unless you need a low-profile card you might be able to find a cheaper non-lp card

[19:15:25]

Dagmar:

NewEgg's searcher is pure awesome

[19:15:30]

Dagmar:

...with win icing.

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dustybin:

good read: http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.d . . . pageNumber=1

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KungFuJesus:

I don't know why nvidia can't port some of the features they include in the windows drivers to their linux ones

[19:19:15]

KungFuJesus:

they always treat their linux customers second class

[19:20:04]

Dagmar:

Not really. They're only about 2 months behind most of the time now

[19:20:20]

meshe:

we aren't worth as much as a market to them

[19:20:38]

meshe:

same reason why most video game developers ignore linux as an OS

[19:20:48]

KungFuJesus:

my 7900 GT supports partial h.264 acceleration, it never supported that in Linux. My card can accelerate Mpeg2 in Windows, Nvidia broke that in their drivers in Linux

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Dagmar:

KungFuJesus: Huh? When

[19:21:13]

KungFuJesus:

there needs to be a linux based graphics company out there that cooperates fully

[19:21:24]

KungFuJesus:

try XvMC with the AGP bus on

[19:21:25]

Dagmar:

My XvMC works fine

[19:21:33]

KungFuJesus:

XvMC does not work with AGP

[19:21:35]

KungFuJesus:

period

[19:21:39]

Dagmar:

Um, yes it does.

[19:21:46]

KungFuJesus:

what chipset are you using?

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kormoc:

Erm

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shadash:

Anybody have info on this mobo? (jetway jnc62k) http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/motherboards . . . 0-mini-itx/1

[19:21:51]

kormoc:

Works for me (tm)

[19:21:56]

KungFuJesus:

all of my intel AGP chipsets are brought to a halt

[19:21:57]

Dagmar:

You might need to keep using the 16x series drivers but I never had a problem with it

[19:22:15]

KungFuJesus:

the 17x series broke it

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kormoc:

KungFuJesus, I only ever ran XvMC with intel chipsets

[19:22:22]

Dagmar:

So don't use the 17x-series drievr

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kormoc:

wait

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KungFuJesus:

16x won't work with newer xorg or kernel

[19:22:34]

kormoc:

if it never worked for you, how did a series of driver break it

[19:22:58]

Dagmar:

You know there's no rule that says you HAVE to have 0-day code on a media player

[19:23:10]

KungFuJesus:

14:20 < KungFuJesus> my 7900 GT supports partial h.264 acceleration, it never supported that in Linux. My card can accelerate Mpeg2 in Windows, Nvidia broke that in their drivers in Linux

[19:23:16]

shadash:

the jetway jnc62k is mini itx with a geforce 8200 + SPDIF all onboard

[19:23:18]

Dagmar:

...and there's always NVAGP to try

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KungFuJesus:

yeah...turning off your AGP memory access methods and using essentially the PCI bus

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kormoc:

erm

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KungFuJesus:

and causing the CPU to work 10x's harder

[19:23:48]

KungFuJesus:

I tried that for a while

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kormoc:

I always had higer performance with NVAGP

[19:24:01]

KungFuJesus:

I use Nvidia's AGP inteface

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Dagmar:

So then try using Intel's driver

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KungFuJesus:

their gart nor intels gart work for me

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** kormoc blinks **

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KungFuJesus:

mplayer goes to its knees when it loads XvMC

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kormoc:

wait, so you used it for awhile and it ate all your cpu up but then you stopped, but then you used it because the GART drivers sucked?

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kormoc:

sounds like everything is broken in your world

[19:25:02]

Dagmar:

Of course, ir might just be _you_

[19:25:11]

KungFuJesus:

lol, believe me, I'm not hte only person

[19:25:16]

KungFuJesus:

look on the nvnews.net forums

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Dagmar:

You migth not be, but you're talking about stuff "broken" that I've been using, continuously, for like 10 years now

[19:25:30]

KungFuJesus:

people are like "NvAGP" "0" fixed it...thanks

[19:25:49]

KungFuJesus:

Dagmar: if it works for you then you need to tell me what you're doing differently

[19:25:55]

kormoc:

yet alone stating as a 'fact' that it won't work 'period' when it most certainly does

[19:25:56]

Dagmar:

The mystical incantation you speak of isn't the thing I've ever used

[19:26:18]

Dagmar:

I've always let the kernel handle the AGP bus (since my 8X chipsets got support) and nVidia handle it's own stuff, and never had a problem

[19:26:23]

KungFuJesus:

while in X with your AGP card, cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status

[19:26:31]

Dagmar:

Porbably reading the documentation

[19:26:37]

KungFuJesus:

so you use intel's gart?

[19:26:41]

kormoc:

given the default with the nvidia driver is not to use nvagp, setting that to 0 seems strange...

[19:26:58]

Dagmar:

kormoc: If it was needed it's a sign the user never set up the kernel AGP drivers

[19:27:12]

Dagmar:

NVAGP does *nothing* if the kernel AGP drivers have initialized.

[19:27:13]

KungFuJesus:

believe me, I've used both intel-agp and nvagp

[19:27:14]

kormoc:

Dagmar, well, the funny thing is, setting that to 0 is disabling all agp support anyway...

[19:27:25]

KungFuJesus:

kormoc: I realize this

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KungFuJesus:

thus me seeing, the only way to make it work is to turn off AGP support

[19:27:38]

KungFuJesus:

saying*

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** kormoc blinks **

[19:27:48]

kormoc:

well, I think you're on crack personally

[19:27:52]

KungFuJesus:

really?

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Dagmar:

You have a broken AGP chipset or driver. Period.

[19:28:07]

KungFuJesus:

it does it on 3 intel based agp chipsets I've tried

[19:28:08]

Dagmar:

Dude, I did some live video mixing on a machine with AGP

[19:28:22]

Dagmar:

It's always worked fine here

[19:28:33]

KungFuJesus:

two i850s, and an i810

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Dagmar:

LIke I said, the only problems I ever had was that for awhile the kernel didn't have any support for AGP above 4X so I wound up actually having the NVAGP code handling the AGP bus

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Dagmar:

It still worked fine then

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kormoc:

my i810 most certainly works with XvMC with NVAGP set to 1

[19:29:16]

Dagmar:

If you're using the nvidia driver with an i810 chipset card, you need to get back on the short little bus and go home

[19:29:17]

KungFuJesus:

I can show you what happens when I start something with XvMC, the CPU usage goes to 100% and halts the app, you have to kill it with signal 9

[19:29:33]

kormoc:

you know, if you compile with broken XvMC headers, that can happen

[19:30:33]

KungFuJesus:

I should try it in BSD, I have a FreeBSD box with a quadro card to try it with

[19:30:38]

Dagmar:

There's also that i810 didn't seem to start working all that well until like a year ago

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kormoc:

I didn't believe that any Quadro's supported XvMC

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Dagmar:

*sigh*

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KungFuJesus:

but the i850 worked great until an upgrade

[19:31:05]

Dagmar:

You realize the Quadro is about as related to the gaming line cards as ATI cards are

[19:31:13]

kormoc:

so if it worked great then how can it never work?

[19:31:22]

kormoc:

I'm so confused as to what you are even arguing

[19:31:25]

KungFuJesus:

many of them use the same geforce chipsets, just different fimware

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** kormoc raises an eyebrow **

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KungFuJesus:

kormoc: I never said it didn't work

[19:31:37]

KungFuJesus:

where did I say that

[19:31:43]

KungFuJesus:

I said it *doesn't* work period

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KungFuJesus:

not it never worked period

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** kormoc raises an eyebrow **

[19:32:06]

kormoc:

Am I alone here or is this just insane?

[19:32:08]

Dagmar:

KungFuJesus: Yeah and the polygon renderers on the Quadro, just like on the GeForce, aren't something that's used for playing video

[19:32:21]

Dagmar:

kormoc: It's accumulation of bogons

[19:32:35]

Dagmar:

I say we dunk him in a bathtub treated with cluon water

[19:32:45]

Dagmar:

Mayb hold him down just a bit

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Dagmar:

It happens when people stay out in the cold too long

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KungFuJesus:

I'm using xorg 1.5, are you claiming those headers are broken?

[19:33:23]

Dagmar:

Could be

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Dagmar:

We do know it works here

[19:34:03]

Dagmar:

It could very well be a bug in the INTEL chipset drivers

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Dagmar:

\...but it's worked for me even on some of the craptacular VIA chipset boards I used to have

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KungFuJesus:

it doesn't make any sense that Xorg would break headers to their own protocol

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KungFuJesus:

and have it go this long, anyway

[19:36:02]

Dagmar:

Who built those binaries?

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KungFuJesus:

portage

[19:36:20]

Dagmar:

Oh. I see.

[19:36:24]

KungFuJesus:

but believe me, this issue isn't just with gentoo users

[19:36:26]

** kormoc le-sighs **

[19:36:28]

Dagmar:

No we've never seen a Gentoo user with a completely hosed system.

[19:36:36]

KungFuJesus:

let me find the post

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kormoc:

I'm a Gentoo user and XvMC with current ~x86 and ~amd64 xorg/drivers work fine with my i810 with NvAGP set to 1

[19:37:28]

kormoc:

I also get solid fps with Wine and Cedega on the same platform

[19:37:57]

KungFuJesus:

I'm using ~x86, so what are you doing differently?

[19:38:09]

Dagmar:

I'd like to know how or why xorg 1.5 would break

[19:38:21]

Dagmar:

...within the time frame in question.

[19:38:40]

KungFuJesus:

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=118738

[19:38:55]

Dagmar:

1.5 was released when?

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KungFuJesus:

nvidia's bug reporting is worthless, btw

[19:39:59]

Dagmar:

It requires Literacy-1.3

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KungFuJesus:

it was released whenever Xorg 7 came out

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KungFuJesus:

Dagmar: cool it man, I'm not insulting you

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kormoc:

I think the only answer to this is that Nvidia must Kung Fu Fight KungFuJesus

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Dagmar:

KungFuJesus: You are when you disregard the rather obvious...

[19:41:22]

KungFuJesus:

which is what? You think I'm breaking things when I'm building the binaries myself?

[19:41:41]

KungFuJesus:

Would it make you feel any better if I tried a different distro and watched it not work on my motherboard?

[19:42:42]

KungFuJesus:

I've had this frustration with Nvidia boil up for some time :-/

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Dagmar:

The "obvious" in this case is that XvMC doesn't work with the low-budget 6200 line

[19:43:31]

Dagmar:

...or at least doesn't work well.

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KungFuJesus:

the 7600 GT is not a budget card

[19:43:50]

KungFuJesus:

it's a midlevel card, or was at the time

[19:44:19]

KungFuJesus:

and it worked for a while while using intel's agpgart

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Dagmar:

So you're 100% certain that card *supports* XvMC?

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KungFuJesus:

yes

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KungFuJesus:

100% certain

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kormoc:

the 7x cards had the issue with the greyscale OSD when using XvMC

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KungFuJesus:

yes they did

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KungFuJesus:

which didn't really bother me

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KungFuJesus:

I know it works because with AGP disabled it works fine

[19:46:07]

KungFuJesus:

but for stuff that isn't GPU accelerated it craps out

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KungFuJesus:

i.e. H.264

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Dagmar:

So, did you ever set XVMC_DEBUG?

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KungFuJesus:

yes

[19:46:32]

KungFuJesus:

it told me NOTHING

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KungFuJesus:

:(

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Dagmar:

Dude why do you even keep mentioning x.264?

[19:46:41]

KungFuJesus:

all you see there with mplayer is all that was output

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Dagmar:

If it told you nothing then that should have been a sign you didn't have things set up correctly.

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KungFuJesus:

because I'd like to be able to play h264 video files

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KungFuJesus:

and I can with AGP support enabled

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Dagmar:

HAHHAH

[19:47:28]

Dagmar:

No.

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KungFuJesus:

with AGP support disabled, it chokes

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KungFuJesus:

h.264 with 1080i and 720p=works reasonable

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KungFuJesus:

1080p = fails

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Dagmar:

You need MOAR CPU

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KungFuJesus:

reasonably*

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KungFuJesus:

yes, but the memory access method for the PCI bus puts more strain on the CPU instead of the AGP's aperature method

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Dagmar:

Doesn't matter

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KungFuJesus:

aperture*

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abk_switch:

hrrrm. so nobody has experience with framegrab cards in mythtv? so stumped on this audio issue

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Dagmar:

Even with a PCI express card you literally need a 2.4ghz or faster *core* to do 1080 x.264

[19:49:18]

Dagmar:

Our accelleration options for x.264 are hideously slim at the moment.

[19:49:22]

KungFuJesus:

mine's 2.8 ghz, yes with craptastic netburst

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Dagmar:

...and they don't involve XvMC in any way, shape, or form.

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KungFuJesus:

I understand, the only reason we're talking about XvMC is because I'm expressing my frustration with Nvidia

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Dagmar:

KungFuJesus: Big suprise, MOAR MEGAHURTS isn't even a guaranteed solution

[19:50:03]

KungFuJesus:

I've learned to live without XvMC

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Dagmar:

Perhaps you should have dug deeper into the problem and realized that the most-cheapass card made by a chinese manufacturer might be missing a few features here and there

[19:50:38]

KungFuJesus:

but nvidia won't even attempt to add some h.264 acceleration to their 7xxx cards, even though the hardware is slightly capable of it, as demonstrated in windows

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KungFuJesus:

Dagmar: it's not a cheap card, that's what I don't get you're getting at, as though I somehow didn't research before building this

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Dagmar:

Uh... if you keep researching you'll find out why, instead of just seeing that it doesn't work and saying "They're being mean and keeping the feature from me"

[19:51:27]

Dagmar:

Dude any 6200 is a "cheap card"

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KungFuJesus:

I made this with what parts I had available, I don't appreciate insinuations that I'm an idiot

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KungFuJesus:

Dagmar: it's a 7600 GT

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Dagmar:

It was their most budget 6xxx card for awhile until the 6150 came out

[19:51:55]

KungFuJesus:

how many times have I said it's a 7600 GT?

[19:51:57]

Dagmar:

Screw it. This is wasting my time.

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Dagmar:

There's no way it should take this long to explain.

[19:52:11]

KungFuJesus:

I'm sorry you feel that way

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NeoMatrixJR:

dude...Dagmar...KFJ's kinda right...why r u going on about 6200 when he's got a 7600?

[19:52:53]

Dagmar:

NeoMatrixJR: Because he's also been going on about that card adnd keeps changing which thing he's kvetching about

[19:53:27]

Dagmar:

...and the argument about the 7600 doing what he wants it to do is dead in the water

[19:53:34]

KungFuJesus:

all I want to know is what you're doing differently if it works for you

[19:53:39]

Dagmar:

There's not even a point in addressing it sine it would amount to googling for him

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NeoMatrixJR:

oh...well can I kvetch about using a fx5500 (which *should* have XvMC)

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Dagmar:

KungFuJesus: reading a LOT of documentation. Making sure I know *exactly* what the state of supportedness is before I spend money

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NeoMatrixJR:

I've googled, wiki'd, sought fortune tellers, etc and can't get XvMC to work on it

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Dagmar:

Little things like that

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KungFuJesus:

Dagmar: at the time I bought it worked fine

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NeoMatrixJR:

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Dagmar:

KungFuJeuss: And one day it "just broke" without you doing anything at all

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KungFuJesus:

driver revisions later it's broken, eventually xorg is rolled up to date and I'm at a point where the older drivers it worked on are not compatible with the xorg version anymore

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Dagmar:

Expecting a manufacturer to keep a driver doing every feature, including the ones they've obsolesced twice over, forever, is unreasonable

[19:56:08]

Dagmar:

You should have rolled back your update

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KungFuJesus:

at some point things will break pretty hard if I hold back xorg

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Dagmar:

No they won't.

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Dagmar:

They'll continue to run just like they always have.

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abk_switch:

i ran a system for nearly 3 years without ever updating x, worked fine

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Dagmar:

I know the Gentoo people have you thinking differently, but you DON'T have to upgrade to the latest everything all the time.

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KungFuJesus:

I realize this

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Dagmar:

It's generally just going to get you new and more exciting bugs.

[19:57:12]

KungFuJesus:

I update to fix the old bugs, usually

[19:57:14]

Dagmar:

If you realized this you would have kept using the code that worked.

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dustybin:

Dagmar: do you like arch-linux ?

[19:57:36]

Dagmar:

...instead of upgrading until you were using code that is meant do use a whole different interface and then complaining that the old stuff doesn't work anymore.

[19:57:54]

Dagmar:

dustybin: I'm fine with it. Much like I'm fine with the state of Nebraska.

[19:58:00]

dustybin:

LOL

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KungFuJesus:

Dagmar: if Nvidia didn't mean for those drivers to be used with that card they would have frozen and marked them legacy a long time ago

[19:58:13]

Dagmar:

I never see it, I don't go there, it doesn't touch my stuff, we're cool.

[19:58:37]

Dagmar:

KungFuJesus: You clearly missed it but they did

[19:58:50]

Dagmar:

It's only somewhat recently they've flagged the 180 driver for use with everything.

[19:59:07]

Dagmar:

For some time they were pimping out three different driver releases for the various cards.

[19:59:14]

KungFuJesus:

yes

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KungFuJesus:

7x, 9x, and 1xx

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Dagmar:

Now they've said "screw MC, it's obsolete" and are focusing on their PureVideo and higher stuff.

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d0netsFN:

hey

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d0netsFN:

is there a way to have multiple video folders?

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NeoMatrixJR:

The 180 driver doesn't work with everything....right?

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KungFuJesus:

d0netsFN: nest them with symlinks?

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gbee:

d0netsFN: yes, seperate them with a ;

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KungFuJesus:

NeoMatrixJR: it does, but it broke things worse for me, I masked to use the 17x.xx drivers

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iamlindoro_:

thought it was a :

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iamlindoro_:

?

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KungFuJesus:

or do what gbee said, didn't know about that

[20:01:00]

gbee:

don't think the multiple folder stuff in mythvideo is that pretty though, a storage group based approach will be nicer and should mix the content which I'd prefer

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overbusy:

hi all

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Dagmar:

NeoMatrixJR: That would be correct. That driver won't support everything, and gives you several regressions with old cards as an added bonus

[20:01:35]

NeoMatrixJR:

Dagmar: not "everything" just GeForce 6x and up

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gbee:

d0netsFN: it's a colon : as iamlindoro_ said, missed the shift

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KungFuJesus:

right

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KungFuJesus:

I meant non-legacy cards

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KungFuJesus:

I think we all can agree I only have two options, get a PCI based version of a 9xxx card and hope for the best (cheapest solution) or freaking go with a PCI-Ex based system and spend a fortune

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NeoMatrixJR:

:P on legacy. According to wiki my GeForce FX 5500 *should* XvMC but all I get is a black screen.

[20:03:01]

KungFuJesus:

NeoMatrixJR: you have the same problem I'm having

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Dagmar:

Use the older drivers that work.

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KungFuJesus:

and the process rockets to 100% usage

[20:03:25]

Dagmar:

Gentooisms have got you thinking that forward is the only direction your'e allowed to go

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NeoMatrixJR:

KungFuJesus: from what I understand none of those advanced features work (*well) on the pci cards. too much latency

[20:03:29]

KungFuJesus:

you have to kill it with a signal -9

[20:03:42]

KungFuJesus:

NeoMatrixJR: as I've heard as well :-/

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Dagmar:

You don't have to update to the latest code and you ARE allowed to rollback to older drivers if you experience a regression.

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KungFuJesus:

Until something in wine's direct X emulation requires newer Nvidia drivers...

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KungFuJesus:

*has happened*

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NeoMatrixJR:

Yeah, I'm using the 173 drivers and no XvMC for me :( CPU runs at over 100 in top when playing back HD MPG2 files

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KungFuJesus:

NeoMatrixJR: it will work if you disable AGP support, at the price of not having an effective AGP bus

[20:04:47]

Dagmar:

So buy a different video card.

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NeoMatrixJR:

:( Wife won't let me spend $

[20:05:12]

NeoMatrixJR:

I can't even disable AGP

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KungFuJesus:

yes you can

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Dagmar:

Go give plasma twice and use the $60 to buy a card

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KungFuJesus:

NvAGP"

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NeoMatrixJR:

I've tried tons to disable AGPGART and it always comes up

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KungFuJesus:

"0"

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NeoMatrixJR:

NvAGP won't kill agpgart either

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Dagmar:

NeoMatrixJR: Uh... Then you're doing it wrong, man.

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JackWinter:

BenB: hi am back :) got the xmltv file, but my dreambox crashes when i try to load it. think it would prefer a epgui type file. know of a way that i can convert it ?

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KungFuJesus:

disable the module from loading

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NeoMatrixJR:

added it to modprobe.d blacklist too and it still loads

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NeoMatrixJR:

on ubuntu

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Dagmar:

NeoMatrixJR: At the most crude, you could just *not* build agpgart support into the kernel.

[20:06:18]

Dagmar:

...or delete the module.

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KungFuJesus:

NeoMatrixJR: is it a module or is it in the kernel?

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Dagmar:

Or blacklist it properly.

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KungFuJesus:

sudo lsmod | grep agp

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NeoMatrixJR:

:( kernel...

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JackWinter:

blacklisting should work...

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KungFuJesus:

why would ubuntu do that?

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Dagmar:

Why would they do what?

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NeoMatrixJR:

I think it's part of them trying to make things "easier" for the average non-tech user

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KungFuJesus:

for PCI-Ex users it just wastes memory to build it into the kernel

[20:07:31]

KungFuJesus:

not much, but still by design it'd be better to make agpgart a module

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JackWinter:

nah, i'm pretty shure that the apggart is a loadable module...

[20:07:35]

NeoMatrixJR:

don't get me wrong, I love ubuntu, but w/ 8.10 things seem harder to hack arround

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KungFuJesus:

NeoMatrixJR: do an lsmod and see if you see it

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KungFuJesus:

if it's not a module, you may have to try a different kernel

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KungFuJesus:

if it is is a module, stop X, remove module, startx

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Dagmar:

Your blacklisting for module won't do a thing if it's not a module.

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Dagmar:

You need to pass args to the kernel through grub if the code is built into the monolithic kernel

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KungFuJesus:

Dagmar: That's why I'm saying it's worthless for them to build it into the kernel, it doesn't make any sense

[20:08:41]

KungFuJesus:

ah that's right you can do that

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NeoMatrixJR:

system's off and @ home right now...but I know it's in lsmod. it can't be rmmod'd and I'v added agp=off to the kernel boot line and nothing gets rid of it

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overbusy:

I have a problem with my two dvb-s cards on mythtv, is there anybody could help me ?

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justinh:

overbusy: just ask

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overbusy:

ok

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Dagmar:

NeoMatrixJR: agp=off won't do it

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Dagmar:

Suprise!

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KungFuJesus:

NeoMatrixJR: do modprobe -rv agpgart nvidia

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KungFuJesus:

then reload the nvidia module

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overbusy:

I have a nexus-s that doesn't work

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Dagmar:

KungFuJesus: You can't even force unloading of that module while it's in use.

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overbusy:

it is not seen

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Dagmar:

...at least, not that I've ever seen

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KungFuJesus:

either way Option "NvAGP" "0" should tell X to not use AGP regardless of it being there

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KungFuJesus:

Dagmar: if you stop X you should be able to do it

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KungFuJesus:

unless you're somehow using it with the framebuffer, but I can't think of any framebuffer driver that uses gart

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NeoMatrixJR:

not if it's IN the kernel

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NeoMatrixJR:

it loads WITH the kernel, not as a module

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KungFuJesus:

NeoMatrixJR: if it's a module it should be in the kernel

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KungFuJesus:

if it's in the kernel, you shouldn't see it with lsmod

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Dagmar:

I never found any way to deactivate the AGP bus once it was up

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NeoMatrixJR:

u kant

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KungFuJesus:

AGP=off should do it at boot

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Dagmar:

Granted, my stuff always just plain worked

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NeoMatrixJR:

that's what the docs say...

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Dagmar:

KungFuJesus: Yes, but that's not the same thing as disabling the agpgart module

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KungFuJesus:

Dagmar: what magic kernel and distro are you using?

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Dagmar:

...which is a subtle but distinct difference. :/

[20:12:15]

KungFuJesus:

AGP=off disables it when it's built into the kernel

[20:12:27]

KungFuJesus:

I'm reading from kernel in a nutshell right now

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Dagmar:

KungFuJesus: There's a reason I've been using Slackware for a long time now, and that reason is it doesn't screw around and just lets *me* set the stuff up

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Dagmar:

So, I don't get to blame my distro.

[20:12:56]

NeoMatrixJR:

KFJ's supposed to be right. AGP=off *should* prevent the kernel from loading agpgart, but for me it doesn't

[20:13:28]

KungFuJesus:

Dagmar: gentoo is the same way, really

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NeoMatrixJR:

I've had the AGP=off, NvAGP 1 (load NvAGP), and blacklisted and the damn agpgart thing still loads!

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KungFuJesus:

set NvAGP to 0

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Dagmar:

Umm... no.

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KungFuJesus:

then try XvMC

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KungFuJesus:

if it works for you, then you have the same issue I do

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Dagmar:

Gentoo has a pile of stuff in there so you'll do things the Gentoo way

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KungFuJesus:

not really, actually, you build it all by hand

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NeoMatrixJR:

why does that sound like it shouldn't work? XvMC w/o AGP?

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Dagmar:

Metaphorically speaking, when you buy a Gentoo car, you get a car and you can replace pieces of it using the dealership

[20:14:42]

KungFuJesus:

slackware packages can be plenty messed up

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KungFuJesus:

and slackware 12 and up have been more bloated than ever

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KungFuJesus:

NeoMatrixJR: trust me and try it

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Dagmar:

When you buy Slackware, you get a car, and if you want new windshield wipers, you need to know how to make rubber first.

[20:15:15]

KungFuJesus:

NeoMatrixJR: It's a bug with Nvidia's drivers and AGP cards

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Dagmar:

BUT BY GEORGE THOSE WINDOWS WILL BE WIPED

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KungFuJesus:

Dagmar: have you tried a base gentoo install? It's smaller than slackware

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NeoMatrixJR:

will try tonight. In the mean time...back to work for me :( have a meeting in 10...laters

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Dagmar:

KungFuJesus: The comparison you make means nothing.

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KungFuJesus:

you're presuming that gentoo doesn't do things the vanilla way

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Dagmar:

KungFuJesus: I'm a special case, but I actually *can* install Slackware, without the installer, one package at a time, from memory using only the package names.

[20:16:30]

KungFuJesus:

but if you watch it compile, the code has a pretty AGP vanilla tarball, the patches are barely changing the integrity of the code

[20:16:56]

KungFuJesus:

ehh, /s/AGP/

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Dagmar:

It's got a lot to do with having to do a buncha Jumpstart crap on Solaris some years back

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KungFuJesus:

I use slackware on some computers

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KungFuJesus:

I don't like the newer versions

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KungFuJesus:

they've kinda made the init crappy as of lately

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Dagmar:

Qualify that

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abk_switch:

so nobody has experience with wintv-go style cards? framegrab or whatever ppl are calling them? i'm stymied on this audio shit

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Dagmar:

...because frankly I think Patrick has a ways to go still to clean up init

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Dagmar:

Whatever's making you think that I might be able to provide a useful explanation for

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KungFuJesus:

just try this for me, build the 17x.xx drivers for your kernel (if it lets you) and try it with XvMC on your AGP based computer

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KungFuJesus:

see if it works

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Dagmar:

abk_switch: it's generally a bitch. Two things are possible. One is that you get lucky (not really) and ALSA will figure out the card has an audio input and you'll be able to get sound through DMA via ALSA. The other is that you connect the audio line out from the card to the audio line in on your sound card and tell Myth to record from taht

[20:20:22]

Dagmar:

KungFuJesus: I obsolesced the Athlon 900Mhz machine already.

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abk_switch:

Dagmar: thats how i have it wired now (found the cable!)

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KungFuJesus:

Dagmar: I'm sorry I've been so aggressive, Nvidia just gets me fired up :(

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abk_switch:

but idk how to tell myth to look there, i cant find any setting about it

[20:20:39]

sphery:

So, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5996#comment:4 says he was having I/O issues on his new "Samsung" hard drive. Following the link you find out that the Samsung hard drive is a 1.5 TB whose model number is strangely identical to Seagate's 1.5TB HDD model number. Then he recommends searching google for replacement firmware for it. Guess that saves calling Seagate, but would anyone here would install a HDD firmware that ...

[20:20:45]

sphery:

... doesn't come from the manufacturer's website?

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Dagmar:

KungFuJesus: Oh I don't argue these are hellishly annooying problems, I just think that if you dug around more to figure out which models of things don't do "specific task X" first, you would suffer less pain

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KungFuJesus:

I did, and at the time it worked

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Dagmar:

sphery: Not only no, but "hail no"

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KungFuJesus:

it was the best configuration I could assemble without spending a fortune

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Dagmar:

KungFuJeuss: The next thing ya gotta get comfy with is leaving software that works alone

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KungFuJesus:

I expected it to have a longer support life, though, because usually things in Linux do

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Dagmar:

If you upgrade something and it breaks, you downgrade first, THEN figure out if the upgrade was ever possible

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Dagmar:

You're talking about stuff nVidia has more or less walked away from as being less than useful

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Given the pictures is a seagate and the linked post says seagate, looks like a typo in the ticket

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KungFuJesus:

Dagmar: at this point I've let XvMC, I'm not even bothered by it because it seems to work OK with my CPU

[20:23:00]

Dagmar:

By now you've gotta see that "the industry" that is digital video in general is walking away from MPEG and declaring it obsolete

[20:23:05]

Dagmar:

XvMC only works on MPEG

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KungFuJesus:

60% usage is bearable

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: yeah, just thought that it was a dangerous typo with what is, IMHO, a dangerous suggestion

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Yeah

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sphery:

(i.e. finding the firmware online)

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sphery:

my Seagate HDD's have firmware downloaded from Seagate's website using a Seagate certificate code obtained by calling Seagate

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KungFuJesus:

Dagmar: I know, they just should have ported the functionality available to windows users over to the linux drivers

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Dagmar:

You're assuming that these things work 100% in Windows

[20:24:42]

KungFuJesus:

nvidia has proven to the world that it at least somewhat accelerates with the older cards, and then they tell everybody that what they use for PureVideo makes it impossible for it to accelerate H.264 in Linux without an 8xxx card or higher

[20:25:00]

KungFuJesus:

no I have purevideo on windows, I see the icon pop up with h.264 files

[20:25:14]

iamlindoro_:

KungFuJesus: VDPAU is NOT Purevideo

[20:25:18]

Dagmar:

You realize they're on their third iteration of PureVideo now right?

[20:25:26]

Dagmar:

...and what iamlindoro just pointed out

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KungFuJesus:

the first iteration is what I have and it accelerates h.264

[20:25:38]

iamlindoro_:

If it's an analog of any part of purevideo, it's PureVideoHD, which is bitstreaming of the codecs

[20:25:46]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: yeah, don't they mix the video with some OSD, making it a combination of video /and/ OSD... ;)

[20:25:53]

Dagmar:

There's PureVideo, PureVideo 2, and PureVideo HD, and all three require a different subset of the nVidia product line

[20:26:19]

KungFuJesus:

*sigh* nvidia frustrates me greatly

[20:26:23]

Dagmar:

Just because some icon appears under Windows doesn't mean much other than ONE of these three (or possibly more now) *MIGHT* have kicked in

[20:26:38]

iamlindoro_:

Jesus christ, this is like the fourth HOUR of complaining

[20:26:47]

Dagmar:

Heck, just because an icon appears in the corner of an XP desktop doesn't actually mean much of anything

[20:26:50]

iamlindoro_:

It's like a telethon

[20:26:59]

KungFuJesus:

it's the icon that only appears when purevideo is accelerating the video

[20:27:02]

Dagmar:

iamlindoro: Lotta lotta bogons to disperse

[20:27:05]

sphery:

marketing, like Intel Core, Intel Core Duo, Intel Core 2, Intel Core 2 Duo... Similar enough to make unknowledgeable users think they're getting an awesome deal on that system with a Core chip or the brand-new Core Duo (Duo means 2, right) architecture...

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iamlindoro_:

VDPAU IS NOT PUREVIDEO

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BenB:

JackWinter: no, I don't know a way to convert it. that's what I kept asking you to find out.

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iamlindoro_:

PUREVIDEO IS NOT VDPAU

[20:27:23]

KungFuJesus:

iamlindoro_: I know

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BenB:

iamlindoro is not BenB

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dustybin:

VDPAU IS COOL

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KungFuJesus:

iamlindoro_: but they claim to be using the same hardware on the card to accelerate it via VDPAU asa purevideo

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BenB:

dustybin: and your CPU, too, thanks to it

[20:28:07]

iamlindoro_:

KungFuJesus: No. They don't

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Dagmar:

Who claims

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Dagmar:

I think you've misread someth8ing

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iamlindoro_:

There is physical hardware (entropy coders etc.) which is absent on cards prior to the Purevideo HD era

[20:28:43]

dustybin:

KungFuJesus: i see your name quite a bit, are you training to become a new upcoming justinh or iamlindoro_ ? :P

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iamlindoro_:

And that hardware is what permits VDPAU to operate

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KungFuJesus:

dustybin: I don't mean to be

[20:29:40]

dustybin:

is there a way to view the temp of your nvidia GPU?

[20:29:40]

Dagmar:

dustybin: If we could use bogons to create electricity, we could use him to power the wiki

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BenB:

KungFuJesus: may I humbly suggest that you read about the technologies first, as precisely as possible (meaning press releases and tomshardware are out as information sources), before discussing about it. because reading is much faster than discussing.

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dustybin:

Dagmar: LOL

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BenB:

KungFuJesus: wikipedia is often good.

[20:30:00]

wagnerrp:

dustybin: check out nvclock

[20:30:08]

dustybin:

ace

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Dagmar:

dustybin: lm_sensors *possibly*. Not all cards have temp sensors on them and not all buses/mechanisms are supported by lm_sensors (although some are) and there's some other nVidia code out there wot does it too

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dustybin:

ok

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Dagmar:

I think I got lucky on my mtyh box in that it at least tells me the card has no sensor. ;)

[20:31:01]

BenB:

KungFuJesus: not meant as insult, just helpful

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KungFuJesus:

I'm reading it right now, says that it uses the purevideo bitstream processor

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Dagmar:

Dig more

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Dagmar:

Unless you see them being _really_ specific, they could be talking about the original PureVideo which isnt' the same as PureVideo HD

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KungFuJesus:

my point is the hardware is *capable* of accelerating h.264 in some respect, they just won't do it

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Dagmar:

REmember, ther'es MUTLIPLE "PureVideo" products

[20:31:54]

Dagmar:

No it's not.,

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KungFuJesus:

I get that

[20:32:03]

Dagmar:

You have YET to actually argue that point successfully

[20:32:22]

wagnerrp:

its capable of accelerating parts of h264

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Dagmar:

So, your premise is broken. This means your conclusion is no longer demonstratably true or even valid.

[20:32:28]

Dagmar:

I.e., you are wrong.

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wagnerrp:

vdpau is set up to send the raw video bitstream to the card, and pull raw uncompressed frames out

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wagnerrp:

the older cards that only do partial decoding cannot operate in that manner

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iamlindoro_:

VDPAU supports total hardware offload. It is supported by the last TWO generations of cards, and cards going forward. It would be foolish of nvidia to pour resources into accelerating performance on deprecated products in a niche (sorry) operating system

[20:33:35]

Dagmar:

...and again, what PureVideo does DOES NOT MATTER to us.

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Dagmar:

Linux does NOT have PureVideo support.

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Dagmar:

Dig?

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: Not to mention cards they won't be making in another 9 months

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wagnerrp:

the reason the older 7-series cards are not supported is the same reason the less old 8-series cannot do VC1

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wagnerrp:

they cannot do the decoding completely on chip, and VDPAU is an all-or-nothing affair

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KungFuJesus:

I want partial hardware offload

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KungFuJesus:

the card can do it, they just refuse to write that into the drivers

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wagnerrp:

better get to work on that then

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wagnerrp:

hook up with the nouveau guys

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iamlindoro_:

Refuse and having priorities are ENTIRELY different

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KungFuJesus:

but why couldn't they port that functionality is all I'm asking

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Dagmar:

Because it would be a waste of time

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wagnerrp:

theres nothing saying they cant

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wagnerrp:

this is just all theyve given us

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iamlindoro_:

They have limited resources, it's a niche market, and they rightly are devoting them to a technology that they will support going forward

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KungFuJesus:

I'd *pay* them to to do

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wagnerrp:

up to this point

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iamlindoro_:

AND

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KungFuJesus:

it'd be cheaper than buying new parts. A few days worth of labor

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iamlindoro_:

we get it for free and it costs money in windows

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Dagmar:

KungFuJesus: Then call them up and make them that offer.

[20:37:03]

iamlindoro_:

wait wait

[20:37:06]

Dagmar:

Personally, I think you have too much money.

[20:37:06]

KungFuJesus:

give me the number

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iamlindoro_:

WHAT would be a few days labor?

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KungFuJesus:

for one developer?

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iamlindoro_:

Adding partial offload to your card would be multiple engineers for MONTHS

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wagnerrp:

and considering they were rather tight lipped about this tech before they released it mid november, they may have that in the works, they may not

[20:37:38]

Dagmar:

Wow that's just a downright deranged idea of a developmental cycle

[20:37:46]

jams:

iamlindoro_ know of any short mpeg files (1 minute or so) that is decent quality and can be redistributed.

[20:37:52]

Dagmar:

It's up there with Andrew Dice Clay's view of women

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KungFuJesus:

they already have it done from an architecture standpoint, they just need to port the functionality to a different platform

[20:38:16]

iamlindoro_:

jams: Any particular content type? samples.mplayerhq.hu usually has some good stuff

[20:38:17]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: yeah, but a new graphics card is like 30 /whole/ dollars

[20:38:26]

Dagmar:

yes, because porting code is just a bunch of sed substitutions, right?

[20:38:27]

Dagmar:

Sure

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jams:

iamlindoro- and those can be redistributed ?

[20:38:30]

Dagmar:

NO problem there

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Dagmar:

I think I've isolated the root problem.

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wagnerrp:

KungFuJesus: the problem is that X and Windows are two completely different beasts

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iamlindoro_:

jams: A large portion of them probably can't, but there are probably a fair number that can

[20:38:48]

Dagmar:

You're a thick skulled fool.

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jams:

didn't see a license, and some of those looked suspect

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iamlindoro_:

jams: Some of them likely are

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Dagmar:

The extra bone is preventing natural cluons from neutralizing the bogons, creating a bogon-haven.

[20:39:50]

jams:

i will keep hunting. Thought you might know off the top of your head

[20:39:58]

sphery:

Batshua: either--as said on the list--you're not using a static IP/hostname (and not using a unique identifier) or you have broken config.xml or mysql.txt files

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iamlindoro_:

jams: Yeah, sorry, if something occurs to me I'll let you know

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sphery:

Batshua: or both

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Batshua:

Yes, I fixed the static IP.

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iamlindoro_:

jams: The alternative is doing a quick ffmpeg on Big Buck Bunny

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jams:

i have one for a 1929 chevy commerical, but it's rather poor quality

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Batshua:

Okay. config.xml and mysql.txt? That will be my next goal.

[20:40:30]

sphery:

Batshua: and it's the /exact/ same IP that it was before things stopped working?

[20:40:34]

jams:

yeah think i will pass on BBB

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sphery:

Batshua: and the same hostname

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Dagmar:

I'm not trying to be an ass, per se, I'm just speculating about what might be the reason anyone would think X and Windows are so similar that something could be ported from one to the other in a handful of man hours and believe it so deeply as to ignore an abundance of evidence to the contrary

[20:40:50]

Batshua:

Yes. The frontend and the backend are the same box.

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KungFuJesus:

Dagmar: I don't mean it that way

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Dagmar:

Because lets be honest, if it were that bloody easy it wouldn't have taken wine YEARS to get DirectX emulation working worth a damn

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sphery:

Dagmar: they both have windows on them

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Dagmar:

sphery: That sounds like an answer my elderly mother would give.

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Dagmar:

You'd better not be talking to her

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KungFuJesus:

I'm saying they know how to offload the work on their own proprietary driver API that they have

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sphery:

Dagmar: ok, how about both of their names include the term "window" X Window System and Microsoft Windows

[20:42:35]

KungFuJesus:

now the Windows and Linux driver API's are likely different yes

[20:42:35]

iamlindoro_:

jams: Maybe? http://www.stormstock.com/stormstock_sample_clips.html

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Dagmar:

sphery: My mom would at least know from the look on my face that there's a problem with that.

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Dagmar:

She's old, but she's not stupid. ;)

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sphery:

:)

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Dagmar:

KungFuJesus: LIKELY?

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Dagmar:

KungFuJesus: Tell me, would you consider a mobile home "a little hard to lift by yourself"?

[20:43:32]

Dagmar:

...or would you think that particular statement to be greivously inapplicable to the problem of lifting a mobile home?

[20:43:43]

iamlindoro_:

jams: Hmm, never mind, MPEG-1 when it's MPEG

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overbusy:

is there anybody coul tell how can I get my Nexus-s or TT S1102 working on mythtv ?

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iamlindoro_:

jams: http://knowgramming.com/free_stuff/downloads/ . . . 2_Movies.htm

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KungFuJesus:

gahh, these feats are possible when the source is open

[20:44:54]

KungFuJesus:

:-/

[20:45:07]

Dagmar:

No, no they're not.

[20:45:09]

Batshua:

Am I looking for the config.xml in /home/me/.mythtv or the one in /usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib ?

[20:45:19]

BenB:

Dagmar: well, both (can) use openGL... and the driver internals for nvidia seem to be shared, too.

[20:45:21]

Dagmar:

NOt when you're talking about separate development teams with MILLIONS of lines of code

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iamlindoro_:

Batshua: the former

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wagnerrp:

open source just means you *can* have a large community working on it

[20:45:40]

wagnerrp:

it doesnt mean that will actually happen, or that they will work in some cohesive manner

[20:46:02]

Batshua:

Okay, I shall poke at it. Not that I necessarily know what to look for, but here goes nothing

[20:46:11]

Dagmar:

...and hey, that statement ignores the fact WINDOWS ISN'T OPEN to the degree that one might plan a mission to land on the sun, neglecting the fact that the sun is *hot*

[20:46:30]

jams:

heh random videos on a site covered with ads, what could possibly go wrong...

[20:46:44]

Dagmar:

jams: Well, the Adobe PDF plugin or the Quicktime plugin could actually load up

[20:46:50]

Dagmar:

THEN you'd be in REAL trouble

[20:47:03]

Dagmar:

"Hello, Vundo!" *makes motorola noises*

[20:47:42]

jams:

iamlindoro- did you watch marathon of fright?

[20:47:45]

Dagmar:

Yes that is a public-facing statement that they both have in-the-wild exploits which are being actively exploited at the moment. Disable, or upgrade them on your windows machines nao kkthxbak~

[20:47:46]

jams:

2nd from the bottom

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iamlindoro_:

jams: I wasn't told I had to watch them ;)

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abk_switch:

okay ... i've tried every possible sound setting combo in mythtv and still no dice. any suggestions?

[20:50:08]

abk_switch:

well.. the settings to change would be in the 'capture card setup' right?

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Dagmar:

abk_switch: If your problem isn't showing in the last 50 lines of the window you need to restate it

[20:51:02]

Dagmar:

If it *is* then you were netsplit because I don't see it

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abk_switch:

sound on regular video playback works, i get no sound from TV

[20:51:21]

Dagmar:

If it's what you were asking about awhile back, the wiki tells how to set it up

[20:51:28]

Batshua:

YAY

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abk_switch:

i cant find the page about it :-/

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Dagmar:

...for both of the mechanisms i mentioned

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wagnerrp:

looks like audio troubles with a wintv-go

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Batshua:

It was the config.xml which somehow got borked.

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Batshua:

I synced the settings of the two and things look promising.

[20:51:53]

overbusy:

I searched a lot on the web about nexus-s and tt S1102 but not find help...

[20:51:54]

Batshua:

Thank you for your patient assistance.

[20:52:22]

abk_switch:

Dagmar: so how about this: i have all the stuff working (as far as i can tell from modprobes and lsmod/lspci, etc)

[20:52:30]

abk_switch:

how do i point myth at the line-in for sound?

[20:52:38]

wagnerrp:

abk_switch: most people who stick around and lend help have trashed their framegrabbers years ago

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wagnerrp:

you can wait around for clever to come back... if you dare...

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abk_switch:

if i had any money i'd gladly go buy a cheapo new card, but i have like $4 to my name

[20:53:34]

wagnerrp:

he tends to rapidly break and fix things in the attempt to keep such old hardware running

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abk_switch:

lol

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abk_switch:

i wish i could figure out how to point myth at the line in .... i think all would be well then

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Dagmar:

abk_switch: That's where things get fun. The setting requires ALSA grammar that I suck at

[20:55:58]

abk_switch:

ah. hrm.

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abk_switch:

i dont understand how alsa works enough to even TRY to spout commands at it

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wagnerrp:

is there some command that needs to be run before modprobe will find a new module?

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Dagmar:

abk_switch: You ain't the only one

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KungFuJesus:

wagnerrp: do you honestly think that there would be no motivation to improve the nvidia drivers by the open source community?

[20:58:03]

Dagmar:

I KNOW this particular issue is addressed in the installation docs on the wiki, but it's taking awhile to find it

[20:58:14]

Dagmar:

Ther's a LOT of redundancy on the wiki *sigh*

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wagnerrp:

abk_switch: thats one of the reasons people shy away from framegrabbers

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abk_switch:

i found the page about my card

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abk_switch:

but it isnt helpful, at all

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Dagmar:

KungFuJesus: Dude, give it a rest man. You only have to look at the state of the nvidia driver xorg ships to know how fast that boat sinks

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wagnerrp:

KungFuJesus: i think if nvidia OS'd their drivers this minute, by Sunday there would be about 50 different forks all moving in different directions

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Dagmar:

abk_switch: This willa ctually be common to all framegrabbers

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abk_switch:

wagnerrp: honestly, if it was in the cards, i'd just buy a new card and call it a day

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abk_switch:

but its gonna be months till i get another grant check for school

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Dagmar:

You could chump some Windows user into buying the card off you for $50 and ordering a PVR-150. ;)

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abk_switch:

lol

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wagnerrp:

ah... 'depmod'... thats what i was looking for

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abk_switch:

Dagmar: dont get me wrong, i do appreciate the help, i'm just unbelievably frustrated that something this small is holding me back so much

[21:03:05]

abk_switch:

and the only person i know IRL that's done a mythbox, didnt have a tv tuner

[21:03:09]

abk_switch:

(which raises the question, why bother)

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wagnerrp:

i was actually just about to ask that

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sphery:

Just saw xfce for the first time (Xubuntu LiveCD). It looks like it's for people who like prettiness, but are smart enough not to take it too far. *cough*Compiz.

[21:03:41]

sphery:

Definitely much more appropriate for a Myth box than GNOME or KDE, though.

[21:04:16]

wagnerrp:

sphery: for those who feel the need to have a GUI running behind mythfrontend anyway...

[21:04:24]

sphery:

yeah, exactly

[21:04:43]

sphery:

If you want your Myth box to be a part-time desktop, it's not a bad choice.

[21:05:12]

sphery:

I use fluxbox on mine (then again, I use flux on my desktops, so... :), but RatPoison is also a great choice for a dedicated Myth box.

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** iamlindoro_ maps sphery onto a cube, spins him, and drops rain droplets on the surface **

[21:06:17]

sphery:

but they just slide off me because everyone knows you can only put windows on the /sides/ of the cube, not the top or bottom... :)

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** wagnerrp gets some actual work done.... :P **

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sphery:

does wagnerrp realize it's friday?

[21:06:58]

wagnerrp:

i sit on my ass at home all day, avoiding writing my thesis

[21:07:02]

wagnerrp:

i have no concept of a work week

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Sides are still a surface!

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sphery:

yeah, but gravity pulls the water off me

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Dagmar:

abk_switch: Might help http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1010786

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abk_switch:

checking =) thanks

[21:08:09]

Dagmar:

Although when you told Myth where your framegrabber was it should have actually picked up on the audio device if it was working

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KungFuJesus:

:( *goes back to his hole*

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Dagmar:

Might be useful if you said what you currently have told it to record audio from

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Dagmar:

abk_switch: I swear the info is in the wiki somewhere, but it just seems there's too many people thinking it's a good idea for them to write a new installation guide, NOT FINISH IT, and then wander off without ever filling in any useful details

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: well you know, they get distracted by something shiny

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: If I had enough free time (I have Dropline obligations that are about to pants me) I would freaking drop in a proper technical doc outline and start kicking and shoving the loose documents either INTO it, or off the wiki

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Dagmar:

Just I know i don't have that much time

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Dagmar:

Seeing six rather equally vague and incomplete install docs isn't useful

[21:17:10]

Dagmar:

Seeing ten completely separate install docs for different distros is also not useful

[21:17:28]

Dagmar:

*sigh*

[21:18:16]

Dagmar:

WTF... that woman already had six kids?

[21:19:50]

overbusy:

is there any test could I do for my dvb-s cards

[21:19:56]

KungFuJesus:

I hope I didn't piss anybody off to the point of them ignoring me

[21:20:06]

Gumby:

overbusy: test for what?

[21:20:08]

wagnerrp:

overbusy: do they show up in /dev/dvb?

[21:20:16]

overbusy:

yes

[21:20:22]

overbusy:

only one

[21:20:34]

wagnerrp:

check dmesg, see why the other one failed

[21:20:36]

overbusy:

adapter0

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overbusy:

the one I see in adapter0 I can't see it with kaffeine

[21:21:35]

overbusy:

(I am a newbye)

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overbusy:

I try dmesg now

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Dagmar:

KungFuJesus: We distinguish (or try to) between ignorance (lack of knowledge) and stupidity (refusal of knowlede) here, so probably not

[21:22:41]

Dagmar:

This s**t ain't simple. :/

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KungFuJesus:

well I'm not stupid, and I do my best to keep myself from ignorance

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KungFuJesus:

I do read up on these things

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Dagmar:

You maybe could stand to question your base assumptions more, but you're not doing badly all things considered.

[21:24:58]

KungFuJesus:

*thinks of NPR*

[21:25:15]

Dagmar:

Something an uncle once said to me was "Never rule out that the sky might actually not be blue, or that blue might not be the color you think it is"

[21:25:30]

Dagmar:

Turns out he was right on both counts

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overbusy:

what should I search in dmesg result for my non working card

[21:25:50]

BenB:

Dagmar: Just FYI: in German view, "ignorance" (Ignoranz) = refusal of knowlede. lack of knowledge = "uneducated"

[21:25:56]

KungFuJesus:

There are so many things we do in software in the Linux world never thought possible though. Linux really does open a lot of possibilities

[21:26:07]

Dagmar:

overbusy: Anything that says "FAILURE! DOOM! NO CARD DETECTED! STOP TOUCHING ME!"

[21:26:09]

Dagmar:

Stuff like that

[21:26:26]

BenB:

Dagmar: why do you keep talking with KungFuJesus, if he annoys you so much?

[21:26:33]

Dagmar:

Mainly look for things which *mention* the hardware you want working, and don't scream out "everything's okay now"

[21:26:50]

Dagmar:

BenB: Because he's not an idiot. He's just gotten some base assumptions wrong and never thought to challenge them

[21:26:56]

Dagmar:

His chains of logic are relatively sound.

[21:26:58]

BenB:

Dagmar: nod

[21:27:07]

Dagmar:

It's just taking a lot of digging to find the one place he went off the rails.

[21:27:14]

BenB:

heh

[21:27:27]

Dagmar:

As with above, the sky isn't actually blue at all.

[21:27:44]

BenB:

oh, it's not? it's here. you have a strange country. :-)

[21:27:52]

sid3windr:

it's black here

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Dagmar:

:)

[21:28:03]

KungFuJesus:

Dagmar: have you had much luck with Lucent Winmodems in Linux? Or Connexant for that matter? It seems most modems I come across have the title winmodem, but apparently some do work with Linux

[21:28:10]

BenB:

sid3windr: yeah, that's true, in fact. I was idealizing too much, to the day.

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sid3windr:

:]

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jpabq:

iamlindoro: from what I am reading, it does not look like our IGPs are powerful enough to do temporal spacial deinterlacing with VDPAU. We will have to settle for temporal only.

[21:28:55]

KungFuJesus:

I learned once in a college chem course why the sky was blue, but sadly I've forgotten that detail

[21:29:02]

Dagmar:

KungFuJesus: They make me glad analog modems are mostly obsolete. THe last time I had to get hacked up binary drivers from a site in Argentina because the rights to the hardware had changed hands so many times one of the companies misplaced a licence needed to fully drive the modem

[21:29:14]

Dagmar:

I'm not exaggerating that in the least.

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BenB:

phew

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KungFuJesus:

well I have a USR, but it's a 3com based one

[21:30:01]

Dagmar:

KungFuJesus: If you take the position that something needs to reflect light to be a color (by reflecting the specific wavelengths) you have to ask yourself, what's reflecting anything in air?

[21:30:03]

KungFuJesus:

when they bought hthem

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BenB:

dito about obsolete

[21:30:06]

KungFuJesus:

but it's IDE

[21:30:07]

Dagmar:

So, the sky isn't a color.

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iamlindoro_:

oobe: Because Steve updated his script, I'm doing a quick update to metacleanup. Packaging it up now, will post it to the list

[21:30:18]

Dagmar:

Clouds are stsill white-grey tho

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Dagmar:

See what I mean about a base assumption?

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BenB:

Dagmar: air molecules.

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BenB:

(?)

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Dagmar:

BenB: It's transparent tho, dig? Ideally anyway

[21:31:09]

Dagmar:

It's refraction, not reflection, that makes it appear blue

[21:31:13]

Dagmar:

That goes away at night

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Dagmar:

...or at least stops obscuring stars.

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BenB:

Dagmar: well, the "ideal" matters here: with lots of air, even small shades accumulate. same with water – that's blue or green, too.

[21:31:47]

Dagmar:

The conversation had to do with me trying to figure out how the F the telescope was showing stars in broad daylight

[21:31:56]

BenB:

(in fact, the organisms in it etc. probably are)

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oobe:

iamlindoro, wow that was fast great work thanks heaps

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oobe:

i will send a email to steve thanking him to

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Dagmar:

BenB: The differnce between "ideal" and "practical" isn't enough to make a "decent" telescope show you blue in the daytime

[21:35:01]

BenB:

Dagmar: but enough to make the sky blue, apparently :)

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KungFuJesus:

ahhh, but it's ISA

[21:35:19]

KungFuJesus:

gah it's been a long day

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iamlindoro_:

oobe: Posted to the list, can get the link there-- limited testing from not in front of my mythbox, but should work identical to ever

[21:35:35]

iamlindoro_:

oobe: http://www.fecitfacta.com/metacleanup-01-30-09.tar.gz

[21:35:49]

BenB:

(I have never learned why the sky actually is blue, but I assume it's due to what I said: many many air molecules accumulating to a color effect)

[21:35:54]

iamlindoro_:

oobe: Keeping in mind that it's deprecated, but since it was only 20–30 lines of work, I was fine with it

[21:35:54]

KungFuJesus:

my USR/3com 56k voice modem is ISA, the mythbox has no ISA slots

[21:36:02]

KungFuJesus:

but last I checked this card didn't like linux

[21:36:39]

Dagmar:

BenB: If hte sky were all that blue you would see blue in the telescope

[21:36:52]

Dagmar:

It was me *assuming* I'd see blue that kept me from ever usinng the thing in the daytime

[21:37:29]

KungFuJesus:

anyway, I guess I'll keep looking, how will I know if it works with Linux?

[21:37:33]

KungFuJesus:

will Udev create something for it?

[21:37:34]

Dagmar:

KungFuJesus: So chuck it. ISA suks.

[21:37:46]

BenB:

Dagmar: no, and the reason is what I said: the amount matters.

[21:37:49]

KungFuJesus:

I'm assuming it throws it on something like /dev/ttyS****

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Dagmar:

If you need an analog modem that badly, just buy an external one that plugs into a serial port.

[21:37:54]

KungFuJesus:

where ** can be anything

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KungFuJesus:

I think I have one, like a 2400 baud one, lol

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Dagmar:

Well, technically I think that might be the wrong name to use to access it, but it doesn't much matter in practice

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KungFuJesus:

how new does it have to be to support CID AT's?

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BenB:

Dagmar: Just checked wikipedia, it's what I said: air molecules actually *do* reflect the blue wavelength light, which leads to that being diffused, which leads to the effect. the other wavelengths shine through with less reflection.

[21:39:33]

BenB:

Dagmar: if you have a telescope, you see only a very small margin of the light – which is not enough to see the blue.

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abk_switch:

Dagmar: that link might help. I'll find out momentarily =)

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Dagmar:

BenB: So by the standards of plain eyesight, it's not there anymore.

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Dagmar:

Arguing this, that, or hte other about it, doesn't change a thing.

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BenB:

Dagmar: are you trying to question that the sky is blue, or what's your point?

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Dagmar:

The basic assumption that the sky was blue and the telescope would just magnify the blue was *wrong*

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Dagmar:

BenB: If you're asking what the point is you need to scroll up by about a half hour or just drop it because you don't know what I was talking about

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BenB:

Dagmar: I never said a telescope would magnify the blue.

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BenB:

Dagmar: ok. nevermind.

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** BenB learned something, anyways. **

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KungFuJesus:

anyway, without debate, umm, what modem works best for CID AT's?

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Dagmar:

Same answer as before, something made by USRobotics that isn't a winmodem if you can get it

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KungFuJesus:

I'll go grab one for very few dollars if I have to, but I'd like to get mythnotify to tell me who's calling on my POTS

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Dagmar:

Generic winmodems are kinda hit-or-miss

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Dagmar:

I bought three last time for $10–12 apiece to get one to work

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Dagmar:

The other two I flipped on Craigslist

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KungFuJesus:

someone actually bought them on craigslist?!

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KungFuJesus:

I'm shocked

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Dagmar:

People will buy alarmingly obsolete things on Craigslist

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Dagmar:

Mainly because they're trying to keep some aged piece of crap running one more year

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KungFuJesus:

I heard that Hayes are pretty worthless for Linux

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Dagmar:

Sometimes because it's really cheap stuff you're selling

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meshe:

that gives me hope for selling my old home theatre on craiglist ;)

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Dagmar:

KungFuJesus: That's like saying cotton gins are worthless for Linux

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Dagmar:

...or you were talking to someone who was being DEEPLY sarcastic.

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Dagmar:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayes_Communications

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Dagmar:

You will be hard-pressed to find a modem that was made after 1991 or so that does NOT have some flavor of the AT command set

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oobe:

iamlindoro, testing it now its gonna take a while cause i have loads of videos its redoing

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oobe:

and its doing ones that dont have metadata first

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Dagmar:

...and if you do you can pretty much give up on it working under Linux because AT commands became the de facto standard way of telling a modem what do to *ages* ago

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iamlindoro_:

oobe: Should be fine, I tested on two or three and it was correct

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oobe:

cool

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gbee:

ugh, keyboard/mouse shopping isn't easy, proving hard to find exactly what I want

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KungFuJesus:

alright, I'll do more hunting

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KungFuJesus:

thanks

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KungFuJesus:

gotta go home, later

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abk_switch:

ahahahahahahha

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abk_switch:

Dagmar. you're not gonna believe this. know why it wouldnt work?

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abk_switch:

fucking 'capture' thing in the alsa config was muted.

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Dagmar:

There was a crayon shoved into the line input port?

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Dagmar:

Ohhh

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Dagmar:

Yes, um, alsa defaults all mixer devices to muted.

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abk_switch:

works flawlessly now

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BenB:

Dagmar: heh, even 3G phones have the AT commandset still :)

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abk_switch:

so now to figure out my remote. and kaboom. ready to move her downstairs.

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Dagmar:

...which is to avoid that eye-watering *POP* that used to come out of everyone's sound card as it initizlizes

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Dagmar:

From little dinky monitor speakers, the pop is no big deal

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Dagmar:

If you have cabinets the size of a child standing around, it's not so innocuous

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BenB:

Dagmar: yes. I hear it every time the power goes out (which is about the only time I power on/off my boxen)

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BenB:

and it is scaring

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BenB:

and it's despite ALSA

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Dagmar:

Can't do much about a new ground circuit opening

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abk_switch:

so Dagmar: thanks for that link. that pointed me to the right spot :D

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[Peter]:

what would cause really bad FPS rates when using mythfrontend (~5/s). Playback works just fine with xbmcs client

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Dagmar:

Differing hardware

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[Peter]:

it's the same box though

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[Peter]:

E8500 C2D with a 8500GT. CPU usage for the mythfrontend.real process is about 15%

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Dagmar:

Let us know when you see five digit framerates with glxgears at it's default size. Until then it's an X misconfiguration

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[Peter]:

the funny thing is that I have a laptop that's running the same mythtv-frontend package and that has no problems

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Dagmar:

Either that or you've got something screwed up in the playback profiles

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[Peter]:

Dagmar: XBMC runs smoothly, and that is using nothing but opengl

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meshe:

sounds like playback profiles to me too

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Dagmar:

So, have I mentioned that what XBMC does has no bearing on what MythTV does?

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[Peter]:

Dagmar: but glxgears does?

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Dagmar:

glxgears not working right would at least indicate for nearly certain that your X config is bad

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dustybin:

Dagmar: have you watched a film called 'Revolution OS'

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Dagmar:

MythTV is dependent upon X.

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oobe:

iamlindoro, it doesnt seem to make screenshots anymore

[22:09:00]

Dagmar:

MythTV is not dependent upon XBMC, nor the other way around.

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justinh:

smooth video playback is pretty much dependant on Xv working

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abk_switch:

whar = xmodmaprc

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abk_switch:

?

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Dagmar:

abk_switch: You probably don't need to remap keys.

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abk_switch:

trying to make my remote work

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dustybin:

im shocked! http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0308808/

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justinh:

man lirc

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abk_switch:

well. work properly rather.

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Dagmar:

Then xmodmap is *really* not what you want to use

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Dagmar:

...not if you're trying to go through lirc.

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gbee:

[Peter]: lost the start of this conversation with the netsplit, could you briefly recap?

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justinh:

weekend in. clues out

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gbee:

including what GPU etc

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[Peter]:

gbee: using XBMC for playback is fine. mythtvfrontend is low on FPS, like 5/s. E8500 with 8500GT

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abk_switch:

Dagmar: issue is my pc thinks this remote is a mouse. discuss.

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abk_switch:

lol

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justinh:

[Peter]: are you using the binary _nvidia_ drivers?

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Dagmar:

dustybin: I didn't bother with it much like vietnam vets aren't always real big on vietnam war flicks.

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Dagmar:

"Been there, done that, don't need some newb recapping it for me"

[22:11:34]

[Peter]:

justinh: yeah, otherwise xbmc wouldn't run

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dustybin:

LOL

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gbee:

ok, check the frontend log, betting the answer will be there

[22:11:56]

justinh:

[Peter]: and do you have useevents set to true in xorg.conf ?

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Dagmar:

abk_switch: So the mouse part of your remote isn't something you need to worry about then, since that'll go right into X with no problems if it's a USB mouse device. X will handle it just like any other mouse you plugged in.

[22:12:15]

Dagmar:

By the way, mice arne't real useful with MythTV.

[22:12:18]

gbee:

guys, guessing at the problem will take forever, that's why we have logs

[22:12:22]

justinh:

[Peter]: and which video playback profile are you using?

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Dagmar:

Something to do with the lack of a pointer on the screen. Hint hint.

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abk_switch:

Dagmar: thats the point. i need it to work as a remote for myth. lol. how do i do that.

[22:12:35]

abk_switch:

its an ati remote wonder

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[Peter]:

justinh: I'll check

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abk_switch:

i think theres something wrong w/ my config that gentoo see's it as a mouse

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justinh:

abk_switch: google 'ati remote wonder lirc'

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Dagmar:

Nah, you might (MIGHT) actually need to use xmodmap there, but I'd google for it

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abk_switch:

what is LIRC?

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gbee:

[Peter]: frontend logs from during playback to http://pastebin.ca or http://pastebin.com

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Dagmar:

It sounds like your USB dongle is making the mouse and the buttons on your remote act as HID inputs

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justinh:

[Peter]: and as gbee says, looking in the frontend logs will be beneficial

[22:13:27]

[Peter]:

gbee: where is that log file?

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abk_switch:

Dagmar: basically

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Dagmar:

LIRC is the thing we use to recieve/send IR using an IR dongle

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justinh:

abk_switch: lirc == linux infrared remote control

[22:13:49]

abk_switch:

yeah it isnt IR

[22:13:58]

abk_switch:

its RF, and gentoo sees it as a HID

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justinh:

but it doesn't just do infrared remotes :)

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abk_switch:

ahhhh okay

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Dagmar:

http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=ATI+Remote+Wonder+Linux

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abk_switch:

Dagmar: doing that now :P

[22:14:40]

abk_switch:

i multitask

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Dagmar:

Very. First. Hit.

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abk_switch:

or something.

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justinh:

abk_switch: if it's a remote you want to use, in linux – chances are you want lirc on the case

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meshe:

haha, nice Dagmar :)

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Dagmar:

jusstinh: This is the one case where it isn't actually

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[Peter]:

justinh: playback profile is CPU+, haven't set UseEvents

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abk_switch:

i'll just follow this howto i suppose and see what happens

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Dagmar:

A case where NOT having to carve a working solution out of barren rocks like we do with LIRC becomes a liability because of it's rarity

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abk_switch:

(for the record i had just found that dagmar:P)

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Dagmar:

[Peter]: UseEvents shouldn't affect things that much by it's lack, but you generally want that enabled

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Dagmar:

Or maybe like being baffled by a zippo because we're used to rubbing sticks together to make fire

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** gbee mutters something about logs **

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wagnerrp:

well my video card came in the mail about 2 hours ago

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wagnerrp:

its been sitting on the porch, because UPS man never rang the doorbell

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wagnerrp:

comes with two low profile brackets

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wagnerrp:

one fits my card, the other one doesnt

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wagnerrp:

and has a modified s-video cable about the same thickness as Dagmar's coathanger RCA cables

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justinh:

[Peter]: start mythfrontend.real with -v playback

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justinh:

then put the output of that in a pastebin

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abk_switch:

okay Dagmar / justinh. mouse is now seen as a keyboard extension

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abk_switch:

so now to map it and i'm done :D

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abk_switch:

am i better off doing this with xmodmap? or lirc? the lirc method looks .... complicated. moreso than xmodmap, even though i dont understand that very well yet either.

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[Peter]:

gbee/justinh: http://pastebin.ca/1323152

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[Peter]:

lots more of that "too slow" stuff

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Dagmar:

abk_switch: If you use LIRC with that you're going to be partially reinventing the wheel.

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aBs0lut30:

alright guys, I am about to go crazy with this.... I am still having trouble with digital audio, I have got myth setup to go to /dev/adsp and the passthrough to the iec958 but when i play a file the dolby kicks in for a second then drops back out, the i randomly get sound back through the file but its more out than in...

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aBs0lut30:

if I play the file with mplayer -ao alsa:device=hw=0,1 -afm hwac3 it plays flawlessly

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aBs0lut30:

so what am I doing wrong???

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aBs0lut30:

its ubuntu 8.10 with running trunk

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justinh:

[Peter]: try a different playback profile. like 'normal'

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[Peter]:

justinh: that was with normal

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[Peter]:

justinh: same result

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abk_switch:

Dagmar: i guess thats what i was getting at. but xmodmap is confusing me too. just need to read up on what keys do what in mythtv and i can map it i suppose

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justinh:

these are interesting though..

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justinh:

#

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justinh:

2009-01–30 23:32:21.169 nVidiaVideoSync: VBlank ioctl did not work, unimplemented in this driver?

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justinh:

#

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justinh:

2009-01–30 23:32:21.169 DRMVideoSync: Could not open device /dev/dri/card0, No such file or directory

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justinh:

#

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justinh:

oh sheesh

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justinh:

sorry

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justinh:

lines 117 through 119

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[Peter]:

hm, yeah. I guess the nvidia one should've worked

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Dagmar:

abk_switch: Xmodmap was designed by aliens.

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justinh:

xev can help you work out xmodmap mappings

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[Peter]:

justinh: any idea?

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abk_switch:

Dagmar: i agree :-/

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phunyguy:

hello.

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justinh:

[Peter]: nope

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justinh:

things most just work (tm) for me since I junked my epia PoS

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gbee:

could be an audio buffering issue, tend to see similar problems in the logs of people who have enabled things like agressive audio buffering or disabled the additional buffering

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[Peter]:

gbee: "Extra audio buffering" is checked. should I try to uncheck it?

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gbee:

yadifdoubleprocessdeint – try linear instead

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gbee:

[Peter]: no

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Chutt:

heh

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[Peter]:

gbee: where do I change that?

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gbee:

edit the playback profile, second screen

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gbee:

it's not the default so you must have enabled it at some point

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gbee:

it's probably the most taxing deinterlacing method possible

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[Peter]:

hm, it says linear blend

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abk_switch:

is there a keybinding file somewhere for myth? so that i can figure out this modmap as simply as possible?

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gbee:

and try enabling opengl-vsynx

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gbee:

vsync

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aBs0lut30:

hey, does trunk have the pulseaudio stuff in it??

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gbee:

ick

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[Peter]:

gbee: still bad, I'll generate a new log file

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[Peter]:

gbee: the weird thing is that CPU usage is really low

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[Peter]:

gbee: hovers between 21% and 25%

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[Peter]:

gbee: http://pastebin.ca/1323178 new log

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gbee:

yeah, I'm running out of ideas, even on my dev frontend Yadif 2x doesn't get above 22%

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[Peter]:

gbee: could the problem be that it's running at 1920x1080?

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gbee:

no

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Chutt:

it's more likely to be an audio issue

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abk_switch:

yes? no? keybinding file somewhere?

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[Peter]:

nothing audible at least

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abk_switch:

if there is i cant find it

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gbee:

audio buffering, or lack of it in the sound driver/hardware

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[Peter]:

00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) HD Audio Controller

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iamlindoro:

abk_switch, Myth's keys are user-definable, see Utilities/Setup->Edit Keys

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[Peter]:

that's what I use

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iamlindoro:

abk_switch, There's also a keys.txt file that shows what most of the defaults are

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abk_switch:

theres no 'edit keys' in my utilities/setup

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iamlindoro:

then you don't have mythcontrols installed

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iamlindoro:

It's a plugin

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abk_switch:

i basically want to just rebind 'esc' to the 'c' button or something

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abk_switch:

ahhhh

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khunt:

on my bedroom frontend U cannot watch half my recordings it just says recording cannot be found even though it is listed

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gbee:

[Peter]: under the 'General' settings, the is Aggressive Sound card buffering enabled? What is the Audio output device configured as?

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[Peter]:

gbee: it's not, output device is set to ALSA:default

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gbee:

really am out of ideas now, I'll let someone else have a go

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[Peter]:

gbee: actually, at a closer look it seems as the first half second or so is playbacked correctly

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[Peter]:

gbee: and then it slows down

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[Peter]:

gbee: I'll try NULL audio output

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[Peter]:

gbee: it stopped whining about too slow, but now it says "'video_output' mean = '75863.92', std. dev. = '8328.19', fps = '13.18'"

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d0netsFN:

hey how do i use mythrename.pl

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iamlindoro:

mythrename.pl --help

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