| Tuesday, January 27th, 2009, 00:01 UTC | ||
| [00:01:32] | carpenike: | Will mythfilldatabase run itself every 2 weeks or should that be setup in a cron job? |
| [00:01:53] | kormoc: | it should run itself nightly |
| [00:02:11] | sphery: | carpenike: generally daily, based on the period you specify (defaults to daily, though) |
| [00:02:19] | fuxxy: | sphery, what setting did you suggest I disable earlier? It wasn't EIT was it? |
| [00:02:23] | sphery: | that way, it always has 2 weeks of data |
| [00:02:24] | carpenike: | okay cool. Works for me. |
| [00:02:44] | sphery: | fuxxy: were you the one with the backend segfault every couple of weeks? |
| [00:02:50] | fuxxy: | sphery, yes. |
| [00:02:53] | fuxxy is now known as unimaginative | |
| [00:02:55] | unimaginative: | sorry. |
| [00:02:58] | sphery: | that's you... |
| [00:03:07] | sphery: | yeah, it's "Perform EIT scan" on the video source |
| [00:03:13] | sphery: | is it unchecked? |
| [00:03:22] | sphery: | (for /all/ video sources) |
| [00:03:26] | unimaginative: | hmm, I just checked both sources, and they both *appear* unchecked. |
| [00:03:42] | unimaginative: | I checked and unchecked them again, just to make sure. |
| [00:04:18] | carpenike: | Also, does anybody know how to get rid of the black/white fuzzy bar at the top of my screen when watching TV using my tuner card? |
| [00:04:49] | unimaginative: | carpenike, I'd suggest adjusting your overscan, but some others may suggest otherwise |
| [00:04:52] | sphery: | unimaginative: I saw some EITScanner stuff in the backtrace, so it looked like it was actually running... It's possible that we create an EIT scanner even if it's never used, but I'd be surprised if no one had noticed that inefficiency, yet. (Though if so, I'll likely be submitting a patch soon.) |
| [00:05:15] | unimaginative: | sphery, so how can I help? |
| [00:06:05] | sphery: | unimaginative: can you start with a mysql query: select useeit from videosource; |
| [00:06:12] | unimaginative: | sure, just a second |
| [00:06:13] | sphery: | and verify it's 0 for all video sources |
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| [00:06:57] | unimaginative: | sphery, correct, "0" for both sources |
| [00:07:37] | sphery: | hmmm.... I'll have to take a loot at it later. |
| [00:07:42] | kormoc: | sphery, what bout http://pastebin.ca/1319065 ? |
| [00:07:45] | sphery: | I'll let you (both :) know what I find |
| [00:07:48] | kormoc: | I'm really not sure if that'll help or not |
| [00:08:33] | unimaginative: | sphery, awesome, I'll try to idle #mythtv-users, send me a PM if I can provide any more information. |
| [00:08:41] | sphery: | kormoc: would that do the count multiple times? |
| [00:09:39] | kormoc: | it /should/ be cached and so shouldn't use up any more cpu time other then a mem copy |
| [00:10:05] | kormoc: | that said, I donno if it'll use up any less time then your solution |
| [00:10:19] | kormoc: | SELECT SQL_NO_CACHE blah to disable query cache for timing |
| [00:10:30] | kormoc: | and if you want to toss up the EXPLAIN for both of them, I can see if it helps at all or not |
| [00:10:34] | bmoll8: | how much size does the average tv show recording take up? I have to decide just how big a hard drive to buy |
| [00:10:36] | kormoc: | I have no mythbox right now |
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| [00:10:53] | kormoc: | bmoll8, that entirely depends on your settings/source/etc |
| [00:11:21] | kormoc: | I'm around 1.1 gb per hour for SD via pvr 150, but will likely increase that |
| [00:11:22] | sphery: | kormoc: no problem... I may just rewrite the logic, instead. Could do it one slightly ugly way that doesn't require a complete rewrite. |
| [00:11:41] | sphery: | thanks for hte help, though |
| [00:12:06] | kormoc: | sphery, I'll ponder and let you know if I come up with a better way, that's a tough one... |
| [00:12:25] | kormoc: | could do a subquery and a GROUP_CONCAT and have you split it up later... |
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| [00:12:40] | unimaginative: | bmoll8, buy the biggest hard drive you can afford. |
| [00:13:13] | unimaginative: | bmoll8, you will eventually be keeping recordings, and a bigger hard drive ensures you have the 'random' recordings as long as possible. |
| [00:13:32] | kormoc: | personally, I don't keep recordings, so a few hundred gigs does me fine |
| [00:13:34] | unimaginative: | bmoll8, I just upgraded from 160GB to 320GB.. it's been a month and I havent filled it yet. |
| [00:14:13] | unimaginative: | bmoll8, even if a particular recording is "expired", it won't be deleted until the drive runs out of space |
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| [00:14:58] | unimaginative: | okay, time to find out if Vista X64 is borked. |
| [00:15:15] | sphery: | bmoll8: on my standard-def analog-only system, I recorded (very-low-quality) shows at 1.15GiB/hr (2GiB/hr is more appropriate, though). On my US ATSC system, I have recordings between 4GB/hr and 8GB/hr (averaging 5GiB/hr). |
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| [00:16:02] | sphery: | bmoll8: but I find with my 6.3TB of storage, I have plenty of room. |
| [00:16:53] | jpabq: | I am looking forward to the 2TB drives which are supposed to hit retailers this spring. |
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| [00:17:28] | unimaginative: | Well, look at that |
| [00:17:29] | directhex: | with or withouth firmware bugs? |
| [00:17:33] | sphery: | bmoll8: oh, and a 1.5TB Seagate HDD is $129.99 and a 1TB WD Green HDD (that people won't make fun of you for buying) is $99.99 |
| [00:17:47] | unimaginative: | apparently the Vista x32 bootloader image works on Vista x64 |
| [00:18:08] | unimaginative: | bmoll8, I have lots of 80GB hard drives for sale :) |
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| [00:19:54] | jpabq: | directhex: WD is actually the only manufacturer to officially list 2TB in the literature. |
| [00:21:50] | califdreas: | I got a Seagate 1.5TB, and it's (so far) performing excellent. |
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| [00:26:19] | jpabq: | buy.com actually lists the WD20EADS, but they don't have any stock. |
| [00:26:43] | RyeBrye: | have those 2TB drives ever shipped? |
| [00:26:58] | jpabq: | Don't think so |
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| [00:29:26] | jams: | iamlindoro- so what was it? |
| [00:29:50] | jams: | customExportFile always empty? |
| [00:30:14] | iamlindoro: | I am a dummy and changed variable names around, therefor customExportFile.isEmpty() is *always* true, but it just return; ed every time |
| [00:30:16] | iamlindoro: | yep |
| [00:30:36] | jams: | thought so, was just typing that out when you figured it out |
| [00:30:39] | iamlindoro: | I felt really stupid when I finally looked hard at that-- have changed the variable names way too many times |
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| [00:31:18] | jams: | i have found that you figure out the problem right after asking for help |
| [00:31:26] | iamlindoro: | Lovely, it's working perfectly now :) |
| [00:31:44] | iamlindoro: | So now my export to mythvideo patch has a custom naming popup for exporting things like movies |
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| [00:31:53] | jams: | sweet |
| [00:32:00] | jams: | can't wait to retire my user job |
| [00:32:04] | iamlindoro: | jams, Yeah, that happens to me 99% of the time, and I always feel stupid |
| [00:32:36] | RyeBrye: | iamlindoro: export to mythvideo? as in export recordings -> mythvideo? |
| [00:32:43] | iamlindoro: | RyeBrye, yep |
| [00:32:45] | RyeBrye: | cool |
| [00:32:57] | RyeBrye: | transcode and remove cutlist points as part of the process? |
| [00:33:10] | iamlindoro: | copies file, copies all metadata, copies seektable, copies screenshot, and uses userjob style variables for naming |
| [00:33:17] | iamlindoro: | RyeBrye, no, it's just a straight export |
| [00:33:24] | iamlindoro: | you do that yourself, then run the export |
| [00:33:29] | RyeBrye: | ok |
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| [00:33:39] | iamlindoro: | but you can set up the naming scheme in advance so it will name all the dirs nicely |
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| [00:33:58] | RyeBrye: | I'm hoping someone with more knowledge of the myth inernals and video codecs than I also wants AVCHD-based DVD export of HD recordings sometime soon :) |
| [00:34:00] | iamlindoro: | default is Television/%TITLE% for the directory naming and %TITLE% – %SUBTITLE% for the file naming |
| [00:34:08] | RyeBrye: | (mythArchive HD?) |
| [00:34:59] | bmoll8: | unimaginative: I will probably settle on a 500 gig hard drive |
| [00:35:44] | bmoll8: | I can't wait until the 2 TB drives come out; I will be swapping out my office hd's, throwing them into my home raid 5 setup (for mythtv and other things) and then replacing them with the 2 TB drives |
| [00:35:49] | bmoll8: | I mean, those things are going to be huge |
| [00:36:02] | bmoll8: | we will eventually get to the point where we won't know what to do with all the hd space |
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| [00:36:17] | carpenike: | heh, cept your performance is going to suck. |
| [00:38:27] | iamlindoro: | jams, http://www.fecitfacta.com/export1.png http://www.fecitfacta.com/export2.png http://www.fecitfacta.com/export3.png |
| [00:39:28] | iamlindoro: | jams, That's on top of a default naming scheme set in Utilties/Setup->Setup->Media Settings->Video Settings->General |
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| [00:41:03] | jams: | looks good. just document the variables that can be used |
| [00:41:52] | iamlindoro: | jams, yeah, they're identical to userjobs, but I will |
| [00:43:23] | jams: | i assume the description also makes it across? |
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| [00:54:19] | iamlindoro: | jams, yep |
| [00:54:24] | iamlindoro: | (sorry, was updating the ticket) |
| [00:54:42] | iamlindoro: | description, directory, rating, year, title, subtitle, etc. |
| [00:55:08] | iamlindoro: | everything with an analog in videometadata gets transferred |
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| [00:56:30] | jams: | awesome. The current userjob sometimes fails because of "special" characters in the description. Hasn't bugged me enough to fix it yet |
| [00:57:15] | iamlindoro: | If it can live in a QString, it should get transferred properly |
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| [01:04:15] | d0netsFN: | ok so i got mythtv uninstalled and reinstalled |
| [01:04:24] | d0netsFN: | it said my password was 9TVTiXvG |
| [01:04:34] | d0netsFN: | when i run the setup and put mythtv for login and 9TVTiXvG for pass |
| [01:04:38] | d0netsFN: | i get unable to login to db |
| [01:05:19] | pike_: | rerun mythtv-setup perhaps |
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| [01:06:11] | d0netsFN: | ok brb |
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| [01:08:02] | d0netsFN: | damn |
| [01:08:04] | d0netsFN: | same thing |
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| [01:11:33] | d0netsFN: | could someone please god help me get my database stuff right |
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| [01:15:07] | jpabq: | iamlindoro: Nick Morrott's reply to you is incorrect. partnumber/parttotal only get filled in for things like mini-series. Not normal TV series. |
| [01:15:27] | iamlindoro: | jpabq, yeah, I was scratching my head and wondering if I was off my rocker |
| [01:15:36] | iamlindoro: | (in fact, had programinfo.cpp open to see what was available) |
| [01:15:52] | iamlindoro: | I *do* intend to expose more information, but don't think I can do that |
| [01:15:55] | jpabq: | there is a field for episode number, but it is very rarely filled in. |
| [01:17:29] | d0netsFN: | it keeps saying cant login to database when i do mythtv-setup |
| [01:17:35] | jpabq: | Also, episode number can suffer from the same problem as the programid --- They may not air the episodes in the same order they film them. |
| [01:18:07] | iamlindoro: | jpabq, yep, see that often |
| [01:18:15] | iamlindoro: | jpabq, I'd rather tie it in to MythVideo as I explained |
| [01:18:36] | jpabq: | That is why I always have sort by originalairdate selected. |
| [01:18:55] | iamlindoro: | I just added originalairdate as an eligible variable, too |
| [01:19:43] | iamlindoro: | ORIGAIRYEAr and ORIGAIRDATE |
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| [01:20:30] | d0netsFN: | whats the command to remove the database in mysql again |
| [01:20:57] | iamlindoro: | jpabq, as I know some people like to do "BattleStar Galactica (2009)" etc. |
| [01:21:23] | jpabq: | Some shows (Firefly) actually should be watched in episode order instead of air date order — but I am sure you knew that. |
| [01:21:36] | iamlindoro: | yeah |
| [01:22:01] | iamlindoro: | I really need to figure out quilt |
| [01:22:17] | jpabq: | Yeah, if I actually wanted to archive a TV series, I would probably make the year part of the folder name. Hmmm, actually not — I would make the season part of the folder name. |
| [01:22:36] | jpabq: | quilt is pretty easy, as long as you are careful. |
| [01:22:47] | iamlindoro: | well that's not me ;) |
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| [01:23:23] | jpabq: | To start working on a new patch "layer", do "quilt new some.patch". Then tell it what files it needs to monitor with " |
| [01:23:34] | jpabq: | quilt add path/file |
| [01:24:17] | jpabq: | Make your changes. Then if you want to generate a diff between the prev "layer", do "quilt refresh", then "quilt diff -p0" |
| [01:24:36] | jpabq: | If you want to go back and modify a prev lay, do "quilt pop". |
| [01:24:50] | jpabq: | If you want to move forward do "quilt push" |
| [01:25:18] | iamlindoro: | my head already hurts ;) I'll get this set of patches pushed through and learn it before starting on anything new |
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| [01:29:02] | iamlindoro: | jpabq, If you want to respond on the dev list or in the ticked clarifying what partnumber/parttotal are, I wouldn't yell ;) |
| [01:29:07] | iamlindoro: | ticket |
| [01:29:40] | jpabq: | Okay. After I get home, so I can verify what I say ;-) |
| [01:29:51] | iamlindoro: | cool |
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| [01:31:50] | iamlindoro: | I really need to define those textedit, the default are *awful* |
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| [01:43:24] | d0netsFN: | ok i got it working |
| [01:43:30] | d0netsFN: | now to get my channel changin stuff workin |
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| [01:44:35] | PMantis: | Hi guys. Myth isn't liked by my wife... every day is lists he soaps as "will be recorded", and every day it doesn't record. I haven't been able to find any errors in the logs either. What should I check? |
| [01:45:00] | d0netsFN: | what setup are you using? |
| [01:45:02] | PMantis: | hmm, typo: every day it lists her soaps |
| [01:45:15] | d0netsFN: | like are you using directtv or what |
| [01:45:35] | PMantis: | Oh, no... just hdhomerun w/ OTA |
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| [01:45:57] | PMantis: | All other shows record, like curious george... |
| [01:46:25] | PMantis: | Just seems to be prejudiced against soaps. I deleted the schedule, recreated, too. |
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| [01:48:56] | PMantis: | oh crap, wife callin for help |
| [01:50:04] | d0netsFN: | yea good luck getting help in here |
| [01:50:16] | d0netsFN: | sorry but im newb, i tried, but i just dont know |
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| [02:16:28] | phunyguy: | hmm – interesting at ssh -X |
| [02:16:35] | phunyguy: | why haven't i used this before? |
| [02:16:44] | phunyguy: | interesting@ * |
| [02:17:14] | phunyguy: | loaded up ubuntu on a live cd, installed sshd, then connected remotely and ran the OS installer from there. |
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| [02:17:35] | phunyguy: | (the pc is attached to the TV and my wife is watching Dr. Phil) |
| [02:17:53] | phunyguy: | so i could flip it back to dish network and install while she watched |
| [02:21:10] | unimaginatve: | grr, I dumped my 'channels' table to a sql dumpfile, and now there's one LOONG string that I now need to seperate to remove the channels I don't want/need |
| [02:21:37] | d0netsFN: | hey if i had a bunch of recorded shows |
| [02:21:40] | d0netsFN: | then i formatted my pc |
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| [02:21:51] | d0netsFN: | it wont have all the info on those shows anymore will it : ) |
| [02:21:54] | d0netsFN: | : ( |
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| [02:24:31] | unimaginatve: | d0netsFN, not unless you backed up your mysql database. You *DID* back up your mysql database, didn't you? |
| [02:25:02] | phunyguy: | *sigh* |
| [02:25:06] | phunyguy: | we live and we learn. |
| [02:25:26] | phunyguy: | this is the reason o moved mysql to its own standalone VM |
| [02:25:29] | phunyguy: | i* |
| [02:25:38] | phunyguy: | i have several databases |
| [02:25:42] | d0netsFN: | nope |
| [02:25:52] | phunyguy: | hosed then. |
| [02:26:03] | d0netsFN: | shiese |
| [02:26:10] | d0netsFN: | i guess ill just have to go through and rename everything |
| [02:26:19] | d0netsFN: | and toss it in my TV folder as a regular video |
| [02:26:32] | unimaginatve: | d0netsFN, you can reimport the files themselves, but you'll need to manually enter program info? |
| [02:26:43] | unimaginatve: | s/?/./ |
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| [02:28:20] | d0netsFN: | ok from now on |
| [02:28:24] | d0netsFN: | i want mythtv to rename the files |
| [02:28:29] | d0netsFN: | instead of numbers and jibberish |
| [02:28:37] | d0netsFN: | i want it to be named relevant stuff |
| [02:29:30] | phunyguy: | then go code it. |
| [02:29:36] | d0netsFN: | lol |
| [02:30:07] | RyeBrye: | mythrename.pl + cron |
| [02:30:10] | unimaginatve: | hmm |
| [02:30:15] | d0netsFN: | ryebrye explain |
| [02:30:19] | d0netsFN: | i tried mythrename.pl last time |
| [02:30:21] | d0netsFN: | and i got nada |
| [02:30:29] | ** RyeBrye shrugs ** | |
| [02:30:41] | unimaginatve: | wow, that gap in between programs on the same channel was LONG |
| [02:30:48] | unimaginatve: | like a 5 second pause |
| [02:31:12] | phunyguy: | pause from the tv provider? |
| [02:31:32] | unimaginatve: | no, it wasn't a pause |
| [02:31:45] | phunyguy: | gap. |
| [02:31:46] | phunyguy: | i see |
| [02:33:38] | unimaginatve: | http://rafb.net/p/wbqkN439.html |
| [02:33:47] | unimaginatve: | look at that time gap |
| [02:35:18] | iamlindoro: | Hey GreyFoxx, any update on the MV SG stuff? |
| [02:35:27] | phunyguy: | nice (I have no clue what I am looking at) |
| [02:35:45] | phunyguy: | well i know where the timestamps are |
| [02:35:51] | phunyguy: | but i dont know what the other stuff means |
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| [02:42:33] | android6011: | i read that pci express tv tuners dont work with linux, is that true? |
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| [02:46:12] | kormoc: | android6011, might want to try the linux driver folks, #linuxtv iirc |
| [02:46:41] | android6011: | ok |
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| [02:47:31] | RyeBrye: | DAMNIT: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28863961/ |
| [02:47:49] | phunyguy: | did a bunch of updates just go out for ubuntu? I am having a real hard time with the Repos. |
| [02:47:51] | RyeBrye: | One of my local networks is on low-power for their HD stream, but will be high-powered after the switchover |
| [02:47:56] | phunyguy: | language. |
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| [02:48:12] | phunyguy: | ;) |
| [02:48:43] | RyeBrye: | so... 4 more months of random signal dropping on Fox HD for em :( |
| [02:48:56] | RyeBrye: | And... in june, the idiots who aren't ready now STILL wont be ready |
| [02:49:14] | phunyguy: | i say too bad for them |
| [02:49:18] | phunyguy: | but that is just me. |
| [02:49:25] | RyeBrye: | yes, I know |
| [02:49:30] | RyeBrye: | who cares? let the idiots lose their TV |
| [02:49:37] | RyeBrye: | they will be motivated to fix it within a day or two anyway |
| [02:49:46] | phunyguy: | well part of the problem is, they didnt make enough coupons. |
| [02:49:55] | a1fa: | does anyone run playon? |
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| [02:50:11] | phunyguy: | thanks to ppl like my boss who grabbed two coupons but has 3 DirecTV DVRs |
| [02:50:15] | RyeBrye: | I'm still not sure that the government should have.. ANY coupons |
| [02:50:32] | phunyguy: | i yelled at him for that one |
| [02:50:35] | RyeBrye: | why is it the governments role to supply TV conversion to the citizens? |
| [02:50:38] | phunyguy: | because it was retarded |
| [02:50:46] | phunyguy: | because they are mandating the change. |
| [02:52:29] | RyeBrye: | The converter boxes would be much cheaper if they weren't required to have an RF modulator in them – which even people with old crappy TVs have already picked up so they can watch a DVD palyer |
| [02:52:46] | RyeBrye: | or they could just use their old VCR's |
| [02:52:58] | RyeBrye: | but instead they mandate the converter boxes have to have RF modulators? dumb. |
| [02:53:09] | phunyguy: | on that note |
| [02:53:14] | phunyguy: | I stayed up too late last night |
| [02:53:17] | phunyguy: | time to go pass out |
| [02:53:19] | a1fa: | woot... new xbmc mythtv plugin |
| [02:53:19] | phunyguy: | cya folks. |
| [02:53:44] | RyeBrye: | a1fa – does this one support commskipping yet? |
| [02:54:16] | a1fa: | yes |
| [02:54:22] | RyeBrye: | cool |
| [02:54:24] | a1fa: | http://xbmc.org/forum/showthread.php?t=43115 |
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| [03:06:14] | unimaginatve: | grrr, I really don't want to have to manually program all these channels in the database again. |
| [03:06:32] | unimaginatve: | and the channels I imported (that used to work) do not work anymore. |
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| [03:10:46] | unimaginatve: | ahh |
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| [03:14:09] | unimaginatve: | sigh, I see now what I'm gonna have to do |
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| [03:26:42] | phunyguy: | ok i am brainfarting here. Where in the world do i input the master backend IP on a frontend-only install? |
| [03:26:53] | phunyguy: | (havent made it to bed yet) |
| [03:27:12] | phunyguy: | (sat down for "one more thing" you know how that goes.) |
| [03:27:24] | phunyguy: | i set the SQL server... |
| [03:27:31] | phunyguy: | but that isn't the same as the backend |
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| [03:29:30] | PMantis: | phunyguy: Set the sql server in /etc/mythtv/mysql.conf, then it'll connect to the server to lookup the backend IP, settings, etc. |
| [03:29:42] | RealKillaz: | hi guys |
| [03:29:50] | phunyguy: | i wonder if the backend is reporting wrong IP / hostname |
| [03:30:23] | phunyguy: | i think it is |
| [03:30:27] | phunyguy: | mysql is set right. |
| [03:30:28] | PMantis: | phunyguy: it'd be the SQL server reporting it wrong then, although it MIGHT be on the same server. |
| [03:30:30] | phunyguy: | err mysql.txt |
| [03:30:41] | phunyguy: | well i have a seperate mysql server |
| [03:30:51] | phunyguy: | since I have like 8 db's with various apps. |
| [03:31:01] | RealKillaz: | two days ago justinh told me of an application/libraries that can be used to alter a TV tuner from PAL to NTSC something tv..... |
| [03:31:12] | RealKillaz: | what was the exact name again? |
| [03:31:22] | PMantis: | Ok, look at the mythconverg db, settings table. |
| [03:32:27] | PMantis: | phunyguy: Try: select data from settings where value='BackendServerIP'; |
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| [03:32:35] | PMantis: | See if that spits out the right IP. |
| [03:32:51] | PMantis: | RealKillaz: I wasn't here last night, and I haven't heard of this. Sorry.... |
| [03:33:10] | PMantis: | RealKillaz: ...but didn't want to keep ignoring you. |
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| [03:33:34] | phunyguy: | Connecting to backend server: 127.0.0.1:6543 (try 1 of 5) |
| [03:33:35] | RealKillaz: | PMantis: ok... np. Thnx for the answer |
| [03:33:38] | phunyguy: | yeah not correct |
| [03:33:52] | RealKillaz: | I will keep looking for the correct name |
| [03:33:55] | PMantis: | phunyguy: Also look at MasterServerIP |
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| [03:34:08] | PMantis: | and MasterServerPort |
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| [03:34:42] | PMantis: | phunyguy: Buuuuuut, be VERY careful with any settings in there. You might destroy your ability to run myth at all. |
| [03:34:49] | phunyguy: | yeah its in the DB as 127.0.0.1 |
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| [03:35:03] | phunyguy: | in fact the DB has two backends |
| [03:35:08] | phunyguy: | one was a slave test |
| [03:35:22] | phunyguy: | both are set to 127.0.01 |
| [03:35:24] | phunyguy: | +. |
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| [03:35:36] | PMantis: | phunyguy: The safest way to edit this is to use mythtv-setup on the backend. |
| [03:35:36] | phunyguy: | how do i clean that out? |
| [03:35:47] | phunyguy: | hmm |
| [03:35:51] | phunyguy: | what would i change in there? |
| [03:35:56] | PMantis: | phunyguy: Do you have X installed on it? |
| [03:36:17] | phunyguy: | on the backend? i can run 32 bit apps via command line |
| [03:36:21] | phunyguy: | yes |
| [03:36:24] | phunyguy: | just no window manager |
| [03:36:39] | PMantis: | phunyguy: I like ssh -X :) |
| [03:36:43] | phunyguy: | me too :) |
| [03:36:51] | phunyguy: | thats what im using |
| [03:36:54] | phunyguy: | so.. |
| [03:37:01] | phunyguy: | needless to say this is kinda hosed. |
| [03:37:13] | PMantis: | That's what I was getting at. |
| [03:37:25] | PMantis: | ssh with -X, then run mythtv-setup on the backend. |
| [03:37:29] | phunyguy: | is it fixable? |
| [03:37:39] | PMantis: | Yup, I did mine. |
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| [03:38:13] | phunyguy: | ok you may have to guide me a little bit., |
| [03:38:20] | phunyguy: | but once you show me, i should be good,. |
| [03:38:34] | PMantis: | phunyguy: Then, choose "General", and fix the IPs there to an IP that any machine on your network can use to contact the backend. |
| [03:38:40] | phunyguy: | i already see the issue |
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| [03:38:45] | phunyguy: | 127.0.01 |
| [03:38:48] | phunyguy: | +. |
| [03:38:58] | phunyguy: | i need to change both> |
| [03:38:58] | PMantis: | On this (the master backend), both IPs should be the same. |
| [03:38:59] | phunyguy: | ? |
| [03:39:05] | phunyguy: | ok. |
| [03:39:31] | phunyguy: | changed |
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| [03:39:48] | phunyguy: | now i shut down the slave backend.... how to i get rid of that junk? |
| [03:39:54] | PMantis: | phunyguy: Exit... then this time, you DONT have to run mythfilldatabase. |
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| [03:40:02] | phunyguy: | hahaha |
| [03:40:05] | phunyguy: | that might take a while |
| [03:40:09] | PMantis: | Yeah |
| [03:40:20] | PMantis: | Now, do you have a frontend? |
| [03:40:20] | phunyguy: | AHH SCRAP. |
| [03:40:29] | phunyguy: | lol.... j/k. |
| [03:40:31] | phunyguy: | yes i do. |
| [03:40:41] | phunyguy: | fresh install of mythfrontend |
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| [03:41:01] | PMantis: | Try the frontend first... make sure the mysql.txt ip is correct, and go for it. |
| [03:41:10] | phunyguy: | ok. |
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| [03:41:52] | phunyguy: | sweeeeeeet. |
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| [03:42:20] | PMantis: | If you tried a frontend setup before, you might want to clean it out: delete from settings where hostname='myth-front-hostname'; |
| [03:42:49] | PMantis: | phunyguy: Again, this is NOT approved, and I did it... I'm a risk taker. :) |
| [03:42:49] | phunyguy: | oooh I like how a front-end only has another shutdown option |
| [03:43:01] | phunyguy: | well |
| [03:43:04] | phunyguy: | heres the funny part |
| [03:43:09] | phunyguy: | the slave backend was a front/backend |
| [03:43:11] | PMantis: | phunyguy: That's configurable, but I forget where. |
| [03:43:14] | phunyguy: | named mythfrontend1 |
| [03:43:23] | phunyguy: | well can you guess what i named this one? |
| [03:43:29] | PMantis: | LOL |
| [03:43:38] | phunyguy: | im thinking it will be fine. |
| [03:43:43] | phunyguy: | there was nothing configured on that backend |
| [03:43:48] | phunyguy: | at all. |
| [03:43:59] | PMantis: | You might want to shut down the frontend, clean it out, and try again. |
| [03:44:04] | PMantis: | Oh, setup no cards? |
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| [03:44:44] | phunyguy: | just exit out of mythtv? |
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| [03:44:59] | phunyguy: | because I will take the risk. |
| [03:45:12] | phunyguy: | it wont take me any time at all to have another masterbackend install |
| [03:45:16] | phunyguy: | if it comes to that |
| [03:45:24] | phunyguy: | i just started it yesterday – lol. |
| [03:45:43] | PMantis: | phunyguy: Yeah. If you plan to delete, I suggest writing a SELECT statement first: select value,data from settings where hostname='mythfrontend1'; |
| [03:46:12] | phunyguy: | :-/ |
| [03:46:18] | PMantis: | Then, when you're sure all the settings are for ONLY that host, change the 'select value,date' to 'delete'. |
| [03:46:21] | phunyguy: | are you serious? |
| [03:46:34] | phunyguy: | well i may have just hosed it then. |
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| [03:46:43] | phunyguy: | i just ran the first line you gave me |
| [03:46:46] | phunyguy: | Deleted rows: 354 (Query took 0.0110 sec) |
| [03:46:58] | PMantis: | Paste me the sql text. |
| [03:47:11] | PMantis: | If it's one line, here in IRC is ok |
| [03:47:16] | PMantis: | IMO |
| [03:47:22] | phunyguy: | it was in phpmyadmin |
| [03:47:36] | PMantis: | Ok, browse settings... are there rows? |
| [03:47:37] | phunyguy: | DELETE FROM settings WHERE hostname = 'mythfrontend1'; |
| [03:47:48] | PMantis: | OK, that's fine. |
| [03:47:59] | phunyguy: | yeah |
| [03:48:01] | phunyguy: | there are |
| [03:48:03] | phunyguy: | lots. |
| [03:48:14] | PMantis: | Open the frontend again, it should ask you for language again, then give you menu. |
| [03:48:20] | phunyguy: | ok. |
| [03:48:52] | phunyguy: | yep |
| [03:49:08] | PMantis: | Now, once this is running, BACKUP the database... and DON'T edit the data in the tables directly unless you're willing to take risks. :-) |
| [03:49:21] | phunyguy: | well. |
| [03:49:29] | phunyguy: | now the video settings are hosed ;) |
| [03:49:36] | PMantis: | LOL |
| [03:49:48] | PMantis: | Hey, we remove ALL settings for that host. |
| [03:49:50] | phunyguy: | i had the movies dir mapped on the backend |
| [03:50:09] | phunyguy: | now it comes up with unknown prefix / unknown prefix / storage / Video |
| [03:50:16] | phunyguy: | :-/ |
| [03:50:20] | phunyguy: | (on the frontend |
| [03:50:21] | phunyguy: | ) |
| [03:50:42] | phunyguy: | im not worried about a database backup |
| [03:51:27] | phunyguy: | yeah it didnt delete all the stuff |
| [03:51:38] | phunyguy: | i will just kill the database and run mythtv-setup again |
| [03:51:48] | PMantis: | phunyguy: NO |
| [03:51:54] | phunyguy: | ? |
| [03:51:57] | phunyguy: | there was nothing in it. |
| [03:52:14] | PMantis: | Will each frontend access the videos with the same path? |
| [03:52:23] | phunyguy: | yes |
| [03:52:25] | PMantis: | ok |
| [03:52:37] | phunyguy: | will i have to configure that on each frontend> |
| [03:52:37] | PMantis: | phunyguy: insert into settings (value,data) values ('VideoStartupDir','/my/dir/path'); |
| [03:53:00] | PMantis: | Notice that there's no "hostname" field? If it's null, it's used on all frontends. :) |
| [03:53:03] | phunyguy: | no i mean there are still settings for mythfrontend1 in there |
| [03:53:10] | phunyguy: | or should there be now |
| [03:53:12] | phunyguy: | ;) |
| [03:53:30] | PMantis: | Once you run the frontend, it re-populates some stuff, so that's ok. |
| [03:54:18] | phunyguy: | well i am lookin at mythweb |
| [03:54:24] | phunyguy: | it has mythfrontend1 in there |
| [03:54:28] | phunyguy: | under video settings |
| [03:54:44] | phunyguy: | with the wrong path still :-/ |
| [03:54:59] | PMantis: | phunyguy: I started playing with Myth after ordering my stuff Black Friday.. I just broke it a bunch, and had to learn. Heh. |
| [03:55:04] | PMantis: | phunyguy: Oh? |
| [03:55:08] | phunyguy: | yep. |
| [03:55:23] | phunyguy: | im tellin you – it will prolly be easier at this point to kill the DB |
| [03:55:35] | phunyguy: | ive messed with it so much |
| [03:55:46] | PMantis: | ok. select * from settings where data='/my/wrong/path'; |
| [03:55:50] | phunyguy: | and there were no recordings or anything |
| [03:56:01] | phunyguy: | ... |
| [03:56:08] | PMantis: | I hate going back to the drawing board myself. |
| [03:56:13] | phunyguy: | i understand |
| [03:56:17] | phunyguy: | but its prolly best right now. |
| [03:56:19] | PMantis: | so... I'm stubborn with it. |
| [03:56:22] | ** phunyguy plays taps ** | |
| [03:56:32] | phunyguy: | its dead, jim. |
| [03:56:34] | PMantis: | TAPS? heh, my wife likes that. |
| [03:56:45] | phunyguy: | <---- prior military. |
| [03:56:54] | ** PMantis not ** | |
| [03:57:02] | phunyguy: | any precautions for killin the DB? |
| [03:57:09] | phunyguy: | or will it just pick it up and rebuild..? |
| [03:57:20] | phunyguy: | BAH |
| [03:57:21] | phunyguy: | sleep |
| [03:57:23] | phunyguy: | must go. |
| [03:57:23] | PMantis: | phunyguy: Not really... just truncate the DB, don't delete. |
| [03:57:27] | phunyguy: | I will do it tomorrow |
| [03:57:30] | PMantis: | heh |
| [03:57:34] | phunyguy: | will you stop? |
| [03:57:35] | phunyguy: | lol |
| [03:57:42] | phunyguy: | its a fresh install on each machine from yesterday |
| [03:57:54] | phunyguy: | and the frontend was done today |
| [03:58:04] | phunyguy: | ttyl. |
| [03:58:20] | PMantis: | phunyguy: I mean, if you truncate, it deletes all tables, but leaves perms |
| [03:58:39] | PMantis: | But, either way, good luck. cya |
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| [04:19:11] | Lexridge: | Well, it certainly looks like the Congress is gonna extend the DTV transition. It will most likely get passed tomorrow. The new deadline will be June 12. |
| [04:19:31] | Lexridge: | until June 12, that is. |
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| [04:20:30] | wagnerrp: | your station is going to go along with the extension? |
| [04:21:21] | Lexridge: | we are not planning to, but we are a bit behind schedule. The 6 new microwaves were just delivered today. They should have been three weeks ago. |
| [04:21:51] | wagnerrp: | i mean from what i read, you can go ahead and nix your analog transmissions on the 17th |
| [04:22:14] | Lexridge: | For that matter, the ch10 antenna is "suppose" to get here this week, as is the ch5 transmitter. |
| [04:22:38] | Lexridge: | that is true....we can shut it down on the 17th, or before, or apparently after now as well. |
| [04:22:38] | wagnerrp: | you cant use the same antenna and amps? |
| [04:23:19] | wagnerrp: | just shift the transmitter onto the equipment formerly used by the analog broadcast? |
| [04:23:32] | Lexridge: | the ch10 xmitter is already here, and the ch5 antenna is here. We are awaiting the ch5 xmitter, and the ch10 antenna. Confusing, I know!!! |
| [04:24:23] | Lexridge: | yea, if the ch5 antenna doesn't make it, we are just going to install the ch5 xmitter using the existing antenna at a different location. |
| [04:24:42] | Lexridge: | doh, you know what I mean. |
| [04:25:33] | Lexridge: | We just finally today got our CBS HD receivers working. They have been in the rack for 3 months, and as of today, they are finally delivering a HD output. |
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| [04:26:31] | Lexridge: | The Air Conditioning is the Datacenter is a complete Fscking mess. It hit 80 today in there and only half of the equipment is installed. |
| [04:27:21] | Lexridge: | the APC UPS automation cuts all power at 83, so it was a close call. |
| [04:28:04] | Lexridge: | I should post of pics of all this. ;) |
| [04:28:51] | RyeBrye: | Stations can switch whenever they want even with the extension? |
| [04:29:16] | wagnerrp: | i was under the impression they had to provide analog service up until the switchover on the 17th |
| [04:29:26] | ** cesman wonders what is the point if that is the case... ** | |
| [04:29:29] | RyeBrye: | which makes me sad |
| [04:29:42] | wagnerrp: | but that now with the imminent extension, they can cut their analog service at any point they choose after the 17th |
| [04:29:54] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp: No, we don't have to do that. We can switch anytime we are ready. |
| [04:29:56] | RyeBrye: | Oh, right – after Feb 17th? |
| [04:30:21] | RyeBrye: | Oh, wait.. you can cut analog BEFORE the deadline? |
| [04:30:21] | wagnerrp: | Lexridge: you just have to cease using the secondary channel by the 17th (under the former rules)? |
| [04:30:23] | Lexridge: | We wanted to switch Fox the first week of january, but too many missing pieces. |
| [04:30:25] | RyeBrye: | taht would be sweet irony of the extension |
| [04:30:26] | RyeBrye: | :) |
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| [04:30:46] | Lexridge: | Well, our digital and analog are the same frequency, so we have no way to simulcast. |
| [04:31:07] | wagnerrp: | i thought stations were all allocated a second channel for digital |
| [04:31:26] | RyeBrye: | My local fox digital signal is weak... it's a "red" in antennaweb and drops on me occasionally – but it's goign to be "yellow" after Feb 17 according to antennaweb |
| [04:31:27] | wagnerrp: | i mean at least all the local stations simulcast |
| [04:31:37] | Lexridge: | We have a temporary ch6 digital for ch5, but the high powered digital reverts back to ch5. |
| [04:31:50] | wagnerrp: | except for 64 (CW), which just runs as a subchannel on CBS's feed |
| [04:31:52] | Lexridge: | and ch6 is only 200 watts |
| [04:32:22] | Lexridge: | Fox is analog on ch46. It's digital will be on ch10. |
| [04:33:17] | Lexridge: | however, we will have to remove the 46 antenna because of weight restrictions on the tower before install the ch10 antenna. |
| [04:33:39] | Lexridge: | you can problably see what a cluster this is becoming! |
| [04:34:34] | Lexridge: | and.......get this.......a lot of our holdup on the ch5 digital has been awaiting Canadian approval!!!!! Holy Crap, wtf do the canadians have to do with anything? |
| [04:35:03] | Lexridge: | WV is not even CLOSE to the Canadian border. |
| [04:35:20] | wagnerrp: | i could understand stations within 100mi |
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| [04:35:24] | wagnerrp: | but not west virginia |
| [04:35:48] | Lexridge: | yea, makes no sense to me at all! However, we finally got that Canadian approval late last week. :) |
| [04:35:58] | wagnerrp: | i mean what kind of spacing does the FCC use when delegating channels? |
| [04:36:49] | Lexridge: | dunno, I don't delve much into that side of the engineering. |
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| [04:38:08] | Lexridge: | We have people that are paid to do that end of it. Although they are mostly worthless, and myself and the ops mgr end up doing a lot of what they are suppose to be doing. |
| [04:38:30] | Lexridge: | .....like finally getting an HD signal from CBS today. |
| [04:38:54] | Lexridge: | Our engineer had been working for two months on this. We got it done in 4 hours. |
| [04:40:37] | Lexridge: | he is an older guy (late 50s) and does old time engineering. He barely understands computers. The whole thing was held up on three firmware updates into three Harris HDTV Sat receivers. |
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| [04:42:52] | Lexridge: | And.....on top of all that, we (myself and ops mgr, who share an office) were forced to move out of our office for the past two week into our new facilities. HDTV did not get much attention for the last week and a half becuase of very STUPID upper mgt decisions. |
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| [04:45:52] | Lexridge: | It's a freaking wonder I'm not a drug addict! This type of stress is only common to that of an air traffic controller. ;) |
| [04:48:10] | wagnerrp: | no drugs! alcohol and suicide |
| [04:48:18] | Lexridge: | lol |
| [04:48:35] | Lexridge: | only my insurance doesn't pay out if I off myself. :( lol |
| [04:49:00] | mchou: | Lexridge: nobody dies if they dont get tv reception |
| [04:49:08] | wagnerrp: | yeah, air traffic controllers and.... dentists... top off for suicide |
| [04:49:18] | wagnerrp: | i dont quite understand the dentists |
| [04:49:28] | Lexridge: | I have heard that before....what's up with Dentists? |
| [04:49:29] | mchou: | Lexridge: air traffic controllers, on the other hand..... |
| [04:49:56] | Lexridge: | mchou: you are so right :) |
| [04:50:11] | sphery: | iamlindoro: great, now the unwashed masses have another reason they "have to" upgrade to trunk: HD-PVR, VDPAU, and Graphite |
| [04:50:24] | mchou: | Lexridge: looking into other people's mouths is not exactly a rewarding job description..... |
| [04:50:32] | wagnerrp: | graphite? (must check the mailing list) |
| [04:50:34] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Heh, did I miss something? |
| [04:50:34] | Lexridge: | well, I've put in a 14 hr day today, so I am certainly slamming a few beers right now :) |
| [04:50:45] | sphery: | iamlindoro: your post to the list with the fancy video |
| [04:50:47] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Or just Bill's inquiry? |
| [04:50:50] | iamlindoro: | ah, heh |
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| [04:51:08] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Imagine their surprise when they can't have it ;) |
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| [04:51:21] | iamlindoro: | sphery, "What is THIS? It look just like the OLD one!" |
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| [04:51:34] | wagnerrp: | so they upgrade to trunk and a theme that probably holds up all of long enough to get the video demo done? |
| [04:51:39] | Lexridge: | mchou: However, my dental hygenist is so freaking hot I get an erection every time her boobs touch my chest.. DOH!!!!! lol |
| [04:51:50] | mchou: | Lexridge: lol |
| [04:52:07] | mchou: | Lexridge: she probably knows that too |
| [04:52:22] | Lexridge: | she can work on my teeth all day long...yea......YEA BABY!!!! :) |
| [04:52:47] | Lexridge: | shame of the matter, she is married to my best friend...dammit! |
| [04:53:17] | Lexridge: | mchou: I'm sure she does! |
| [04:53:37] | sphery: | iamlindoro: You should just quit the open source world. Everyone knows that if you want to participate, you have to be willing to share your stuff. Oh, and you need to rewrite MythWeb in Python while you're at it. |
| [04:53:57] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Oh let's be honest? Who would pay for my theme... NOBODY |
| [04:54:00] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [04:54:15] | iamlindoro: | sphery, I mean it's okay, but it's no list of text on a flaming background :) |
| [04:54:52] | sphery: | I'd love a flaming theme... with video background. |
| [04:55:01] | wagnerrp: | do people actually write web pages in python? |
| [04:55:03] | sphery: | I'd actually pay for that one. |
| [04:55:20] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Then have I got just the (banned for life from #mythtv) guy for you! |
| [04:56:10] | wagnerrp: | php and perl are the old ones, ruby is up and coming, but ive never heard of anyone doing web programming in python |
| [04:56:13] | sphery: | wagnerrp: someone was telling kor moc he's not a team player and he doesn't contribute enough to FOSS because kor moc wouldn't rewrite MythWeb in Python for him. (Where, in this case, Python probably = "first language the kid ever used; therefore, the best in the world".) |
| [04:56:34] | mchou: | wagnerrp: you must be kidding me |
| [04:56:45] | iamlindoro: | I think it was a literal *demand* that he do so, that was the funny part |
| [04:56:50] | sphery: | yeah |
| [04:56:50] | mchou: | wagnerrp: look at plone |
| [04:57:13] | xris: | lol |
| [04:57:18] | sphery: | Python, because you thought the tab character was useless |
| [04:57:41] | mag0o: | hehe |
| [04:57:55] | xris: | not like the guy who told isaac to f* off in #mythtv. |
| [04:58:05] | iamlindoro: | sphery, 10 million XBMC hackbots can't be wrong! |
| [04:58:30] | iamlindoro: | xris, Heh, we were just chatting about him :) |
| [04:58:43] | wagnerrp: | huh... surprised ive never heard of plone |
| [05:01:05] | sphery: | xris: Heh. That was like watching a guy going straight at a stoplight pull into traffic because the guy next to him started to move when the left-turn arrow came on... You knew exactly what was going to happen, but didn't have time to stop the accident. |
| [05:01:43] | sphery: | (though in the case of the guy in #mythtv, it's probably better that he wasn't stopped) |
| [05:02:09] | xris: | I've often pondered rewriting mythweb in perl, though. |
| [05:02:18] | mchou: | oh lord |
| [05:02:18] | xris: | or more seriously.. just writing it all into the backend itself |
| [05:02:42] | mchou: | xris: man, when all you have is a hammer..... |
| [05:03:10] | xris: | ... use perl because it's a HUGE hammer. :) |
| [05:03:15] | sphery: | perl isn't bad for text processing |
| [05:03:33] | RyeBrye: | the current mythweb doesn't have many itches to scratch |
| [05:03:37] | xris: | it's great for web stuff. faster than php, and uses less memory |
| [05:03:40] | RyeBrye: | so I don't see any reason to rewrite it :) |
| [05:03:46] | xris: | RyeBrye: kormoc and I have a lot of things that we'd like to see done with it. |
| [05:03:57] | sphery: | but Perl's aren't as valuable as Ruby's |
| [05:03:58] | xris: | it has a lot of technical shortcomings behind the scenes |
| [05:04:07] | RyeBrye: | Ah |
| [05:04:11] | xris: | sphery: but ruby is... ewwww... |
| [05:04:16] | sphery: | though I don't know anything about ruby |
| [05:04:24] | xris: | not to mention more of a memory hog than PHP is, and that's saying a lot |
| [05:04:28] | RyeBrye: | Well, I could offer some architecture suggestions that I'm sure wouldn't be popular in a C++-based project |
| [05:04:30] | sphery: | wow... |
| [05:04:34] | mchou: | sphery: seriously, have you ever tried to maintain perl code? |
| [05:04:59] | mchou: | sphery: stop extolling perl virtues until you've done that |
| [05:05:00] | sphery: | xris: and imagine the fun you'd have writing the README for Perl MythWeb... 2K lines of CPAN module requirements. |
| [05:05:07] | xris: | ruby brought Rails to the playing field.. which was great. except that now every other major language has something like rails... and you don't have to use ruby to use them. |
| [05:05:20] | xris: | sphery: actually, it wouldn't be too bad. |
| [05:05:29] | RyeBrye: | ... like Java + tomcat + spring + opensymphony sitemesh etc :) – and I'd actually contribute code to that (honest) – but I don't think that would go over well :) |
| [05:06:01] | xris: | mchou: I've written/maintained a LOT of perl code over the years.. and even stuff that isn't my own... it's not that bad. |
| [05:06:06] | RyeBrye: | sitemesh is a really nice decorating framework – I htink it works with php too http://www.opensymphony.com/sitemesh/ |
| [05:06:31] | xris: | it's easy to write bad code in any language.. just like it's easy to write good code in perl. |
| [05:06:41] | mchou: | xris: yeah, I'd trust your judgemnt when you tuen a simple bash script into perl |
| [05:06:42] | xris: | RyeBrye: I took my current job to learn java. |
| [05:07:08] | xris: | mchou: or write multi-threaded bash scripts? I've done that, too. :) |
| [05:07:09] | RyeBrye: | xris: really? if you are interested at all in doing a java based mythweb, I'm not at all kidding about putting some major time into helping you on it |
| [05:07:09] | mchou: | xris: that's the height of ridiculousness |
| [05:07:28] | RyeBrye: | xris: have you played with Spring MVC at all? |
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| [05:07:57] | RyeBrye: | xris: dependency injection makes unit testing individual pieces of the project incredibly easy – which makes it very easy for distributed development |
| [05:08:08] | RyeBrye: | (if the light is green, the trap is clean) |
| [05:08:11] | xris: | RyeBrye: java/tomcat/etc are too much work for the average user to set up. |
| [05:08:12] | mchou: | xris: no, my point is if bash does the job very compactly, why re-write it in perl and drang in half of CPAN or whatnot |
| [05:08:23] | RyeBrye: | xris: true – but jetty might not be |
| [05:08:24] | mchou: | drag* |
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| [05:08:41] | xris: | mchou: if you need to drag in half of cpan, chances are it couldn't be done easily in bash. |
| [05:08:52] | RyeBrye: | xris: I've seen a lot of projects just ship with jetty and a simple sh script to start it all |
| [05:09:09] | mchou: | xris: dude, you converted my bash script into perl..... |
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| [05:09:14] | xris: | only major issues I have with perl is its OOP support, and the fact that Date::Format doesn't understand DST.. |
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| [05:09:38] | mchou: | xris: it didnt drag in half of cpan, but there were imports..... |
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| [05:09:51] | sphery: | xris: you're forgetting the law of scaling: 1.2M LOC in C++ to make Myth = 470 LOC in Perl to make Myth = 32 LOC in Bash to make Myth |
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| [05:09:52] | xris: | mchou: I have no idea which script you're talking about.. but if I did, I probably added a bunch of user-friendly stuff to save people time. |
| [05:09:57] | RyeBrye: | xris: how does mythweb currently communicate with the backend? |
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| [05:10:08] | xris: | RyeBrye: mythproto, and a bit of mythxml |
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| [05:10:12] | sphery: | pretty sure that follows from the research done by that guy on the -users list |
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| [05:10:23] | RyeBrye: | mythproto is a custom-baked RMI? |
| [05:10:24] | xris: | RyeBrye: I *really* want to see myth's api get solidified for 0.23 (yes, I know 0.22 isn't out yet) |
| [05:10:26] | mchou: | xris: this was a script very long ago b4 myth had atsc scanning |
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| [05:10:37] | xris: | mchou: ah, that one.. yeah |
| [05:10:52] | xris: | RyeBrye: yeah.. it's :[]: separated list of data. or something like that |
| [05:11:01] | xris: | there's also an xml api, with different information. |
| [05:11:02] | RyeBrye: | cool |
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| [05:11:47] | mchou: | freaking freenode |
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| [05:12:06] | xris: | RyeBrye: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . hBackend.php |
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| [05:12:07] | RyeBrye: | could it all be done through the xml api? xml procesing in java would be cake – is there an xsd for the xml used? |
| [05:12:07] | xris: | correction: []:[] |
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| [05:12:29] | xris: | wow, netsplit from hell |
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| [05:12:46] | RyeBrye: | yeah, n joke |
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| [05:12:52] | RyeBrye: | it's like the end of the world or something |
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| [05:14:37] | RyeBrye: | xris: do you have a list of some of the things you would want in mythweb that you can't currently get? |
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| [05:36:50] | CaptObviousman: | well that sure was a blast |
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| [05:37:20] | RyeBrye: | xris: is there a list of things you want mythweb to do that it currently doesn't do? |
| [05:37:20] | iamlindoro: | Still missing 25% of the channel |
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| [05:39:36] | sphery: | now that was some netsplit |
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| [05:39:55] | tritium: | It's still going on other channels. |
| [05:40:26] | iamlindoro: | Any bets on who sends out the global notice explaining this little bit of fun? |
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| [05:40:54] | oobe: | i bet on god i lay 3:1 |
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| [05:42:52] | iamlindoro: | I'll put a shiny nickel on... christel |
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| [05:43:14] | RyeBrye: | xris: looking at mythweb, it actually wouldn't be all that bad to build a pretty slick mythweb in java-based tech – and I don't even care if it doesn't end up replacing the current mythweb but I might start playing around with it. Do you have a list of things you wish mythweb would do that it doesn't currently do? I'm going to start my list of requirements by stripping it down to the bare bones (I don't plan to support the keybindings or the maint |
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| [05:43:45] | oobe: | but some would say god speaks through us all |
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| [05:53:44] | RyeBrye: | is freenode back together now? |
| [05:53:54] | ** iamlindoro kicks the tires ** | |
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| [05:54:10] | iamlindoro: | Yep, no chance at all of it happening again, for sure, definitely |
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| [05:57:17] | mzb_d800: | how do I create a new Storage Group? |
| [05:57:41] | sphery: | mythtv-setup, Storage Groups, Add new group |
| [05:57:51] | mzb_d800: | no such option |
| [05:57:52] | sphery: | (when the backends and frontends are shut down) |
| [05:57:55] | mzb_d800: | yep |
| [05:58:02] | mzb_d800: | 0.21-fixes |
| [05:58:20] | mzb_d800: | "m" key? |
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| [05:58:35] | mzb_d800: | there are no other options in view |
| [05:58:48] | sphery: | mzb_d800: you're running mythtv-setup on the /master/ backend? |
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| [05:59:15] | mzb_d800: | I've tried both ... the new storage group is intended for the sbe (fileserver) |
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| [05:59:54] | sphery: | mzb_d800: it /has/ to be the master to create a storage group... you can /only/ override the directory list of an existing storage group on a slave |
| [06:00:06] | sphery: | but usually you don't have to override |
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| [06:00:46] | mzb_d800: | ok, so create storage group on master? (didn't see it from there either), the run mythtv-setup on sbe, remove the dir and add the local ones? |
| [06:01:06] | sphery: | if mythtv-setup on your master backend doesn't give the option (which is actually, "Create new group"--just looked up the wording), then your mythtv configuration is wrong, and mythtv-setup doesn't know that it's running on the master backend's host (i.e. you have a broken mysql.txt or config.xml somewhere) |
| [06:01:45] | mzb_d800: | actually, might have been trying on the tuner BE ... thanks sphery |
| [06:02:15] | sphery: | basically... create SG on master backend and add any directories that the master backend can access that should be used for recordings in that SG. Then, on the slave backend, edit the SG to contain the desired dirs that the slave can use. |
| [06:03:18] | sphery: | mzb_d800: note that you cannot use storage groups to determine which host will record a show (i.e. by "only having directories defines for that SG on the desired host") as the SG code will fall through to the Default SG (so if the master backend is told to record, it won't find the dirs that only work on the slave, so it will record the show into the Default SG) |
| [06:03:59] | sphery: | which is why there's almost never a reason to override the list of dirs for an SG--unless you just like making up different dir names on different hosts (security through confusion, perhaps?) |
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| [06:04:57] | Lexridge: | what is the best linux s/w to rip DVDs for backup purposes? The first thing I want to get rid of are all the menus. |
| [06:06:12] | Lexridge: | preferably something that is qt or gtk+ based would be nice. |
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| [06:06:52] | wagnerrp: | Lexridge: to rip in original mpeg? not transcoded? |
| [06:07:03] | Lexridge: | yes, original mpeg would be fine. |
| [06:07:57] | Lexridge: | or, better yet, rip as videots directories, with encription removed. |
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| [06:08:31] | Lexridge: | I've tried both vobcopy and dvdrip with limited results. |
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| [06:10:40] | Lexridge: | There should be a master switch on DVD players to eliminate playing the DVD menus. Put the disc in, hit play, and the movie plays. Simple as that. |
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| [06:12:56] | clever: | that would bypass the copywrite warnings and trailers that some disks refuse to let you skip |
| [06:13:37] | Lexridge: | I've read enough of them that I don't need to read them anymore. I know the law. Just play the fscking movie already. ;) |
| [06:13:49] | clever: | ive used cpdvd before to rip the whole video_ts for a single 'title' within the disk |
| [06:14:13] | Lexridge: | command line app? |
| [06:14:18] | clever: | yeah |
| [06:14:29] | Lexridge: | that would work. Looking it up now. |
| [06:14:33] | clever: | you basicaly just point it to the dvd device and the target |
| [06:14:44] | clever: | by default, it rips the largest title on the disk(the movie itself) |
| [06:15:16] | Lexridge: | cool, that is exactly what I want. |
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| [06:15:53] | Lexridge: | clever: got it. |
| [06:15:55] | clever: | i usualy use it to rip everything including special features, so i can watch the extra features after returning a rented disk |
| [06:16:13] | clever: | but that last disk i ripped was a whole 8gig dual layer beast |
| [06:16:36] | clever: | had to delete it to get enough space to breath |
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| [06:16:52] | Lexridge: | no doubt! |
| [06:17:46] | Lexridge: | clever: It seems to be ripping quite happely. :) |
| [06:18:23] | clever: | :) |
| [06:18:45] | clever: | and to play it back you could use mplayer -dvd-device /path/to/video_ts dvd://0 |
| [06:19:18] | Lexridge: | ladies and gentlemen, I believe we have a winner with cpdvd! |
| [06:19:22] | clever: | i think parts of mythvideo can handle the dir as a movie also |
| [06:19:52] | Lexridge: | nice |
| [06:20:20] | Lexridge: | what are k3b's ripping capibilities like? |
| [06:20:31] | clever: | ive only used k3b to burn |
| [06:20:46] | clever: | for some reason 99% of the burning programs made coasters but k3b worked |
| [06:20:57] | Lexridge: | same here, but someone suggested a few days ago I try it for ripping as well. |
| [06:21:05] | clever: | but now that drive makes coasters even under windows |
| [06:21:26] | Lexridge: | sounds like perhaps it drive funeral time. I have two flakey drives myself. |
| [06:21:47] | clever: | it reads disks just fine, so its retired to being a dvd reader in a windows system |
| [06:22:47] | Lexridge: | I no longer have any home windoze systems that I use. My wife still has a desktop and lappy running XP. I've had enough of Microsoft personally. I still use it at work, but as little as possible. |
| [06:23:39] | clever: | yeah, its on my dads desktop and work laptop, and one of my servers |
| [06:23:43] | Lexridge: | My computer shop is starting to get lots of Vista machine nowadays, and wow, they really DO suck the big one. What a horrible terrible operating system. UGH!!!! |
| [06:23:44] | clever: | but i try to use linux everywhere |
| [06:23:54] | clever: | :D |
| [06:24:41] | Lexridge: | Using Vista is like running a severly malware infected system.....even when it's not! |
| [06:24:57] | clever: | lol |
| [06:25:31] | clever: | maybe the build system at microsoft got infected with that stormbot, and is making pre-infected cd's |
| [06:25:59] | Lexridge: | Honestly, that is a very high probably, knowing Microsoft. lol |
| [06:26:22] | Lexridge: | but instead of admitting it, they call it a feature. |
| [06:26:48] | clever: | should try that stormf*cker program on vista and see if it improves! |
| [06:27:05] | Lexridge: | lol |
| [06:27:15] | clever: | http://hackaday.com/2009/01/16/dismantling-th . . . worm-botnet/ |
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| [06:27:55] | Lexridge: | WOW! opening that page made both of my monitors blank for about 1 second!! |
| [06:28:02] | clever: | lol |
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| [06:28:34] | Lexridge: | I think I'll close that firefox tab. |
| [06:29:44] | Lexridge: | I'm just glad we don't have to deal with that BS while using Linux! :) |
| [06:30:02] | clever: | :) |
| [06:32:21] | Lexridge: | I even have my WRT54G router flashed with DD-WRT. The Linksys fw was shat! |
| [06:32:50] | clever: | the dhcp server in my linksys died, and reflashing it hasnt fixed the problem |
| [06:33:01] | clever: | i replaced it with a full linux desktop months ago |
| [06:33:16] | Lexridge: | was it running linksys s/w, or third party? |
| [06:33:27] | clever: | normal linksys firmware |
| [06:33:37] | Lexridge: | that explains that. ;) |
| [06:33:46] | clever: | ;P |
| [06:34:04] | Lexridge: | reflash that router with dd-wrt, and you won't ever go back. ;) |
| [06:34:38] | clever: | technicaly, we dont own the box so we cant do that:P |
| [06:34:58] | Lexridge: | I ran a PC router for about a year, running the x86 version of DD-WRT. It smoked, so I want back the hardware router. |
| [06:35:11] | clever: | and im currently running too many things on my desktop router to push it back into a limited box |
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| [06:35:32] | clever: | squid, ipv6 tunnel gateway, ircd |
| [06:35:39] | Lexridge: | clever: just flash it to dd-wrt, and when you return it, flash it back to linksys. ;) |
| [06:35:55] | clever: | and what if it turns into a brick before then? |
| [06:36:30] | Lexridge: | chance are there for sure, but very slim. I have flashed probably 80 linksys routers, and have never bricked a single one. |
| [06:36:48] | clever: | im currently using it as a plain switch |
| [06:36:54] | sphery: | why dd-wrt vs openwrt? |
| [06:37:28] | clever: | what ip did i hide it at... |
| [06:37:30] | Lexridge: | dd-wrt is a bit more advanced. They do share a lot between them, but DD-WRT just seems to have it more stable. |
| [06:38:01] | Lexridge: | especially in the GUI design. |
| [06:38:04] | clever: | my linksys and dlink used to disconnect semi-often |
| [06:38:26] | clever: | but the router i made is pretty stable and i can see the exact logs saying why any disconnection happened |
| [06:38:48] | clever: | and i dont need any bloated gui:P |
| [06:38:55] | sphery: | Lexridge: interesting... I'm using OpenWRT (but without the GUI/Web config). |
| [06:39:24] | clever: | :(, i forgot the ip for the linksys again |
| [06:39:43] | sphery: | (i.e. I'm using OpenWRT, not X-Wrt |
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| [06:39:47] | fpsdavid: | hi, i just switched out a ATI HD3650 from a nvidia 6600 and now i'm having trouble getting mythtv to go back to 1920x1080. the highest it'll let me pick is 1680x1050 and then 1920x1200 |
| [06:39:52] | Lexridge: | I have messed with OWRT often, just to see how things are going...but DD-WRT is still better, IMO. |
| [06:40:13] | Lexridge: | X-WRT has a long way to go, also IMO |
| [06:40:28] | sphery: | fpsdavid: are you using the ATI or the NVIDIA, now? |
| [06:41:06] | fpsdavid: | ATI |
| [06:41:19] | fpsdavid: | i'm running the ATI restricted drivers as well |
| [06:41:51] | clever: | ummmm, not even nmap can find my linksys |
| [06:42:23] | sphery: | hmmm, then I don't know what would cause it... I'm pretty sure I know exactly what would cause it on the NVIDIA. (Actually, probably the same cause--the TV's EDID info is garbage--but I have no idea how to tell ATI drivers to ignore it.) |
| [06:42:40] | Lexridge: | clever: try a broadcast ping |
| [06:42:54] | clever: | Lexridge: i did a port scan for every port 80 in the lan |
| [06:43:11] | fpsdavid: | sphery, i'm pretty sure i went thru this when i installed the nvidia as well, but i dont remember how i fixed it |
| [06:43:12] | clever: | all i see is several desktops the cisco and the dlink |
| [06:43:28] | Lexridge: | try scanning for 8080 |
| [06:43:54] | clever: | closed on every ip that replied |
| [06:44:36] | Lexridge: | I use post-it notes to slap onto devices stating their IP addresses. Helps my bad memory. |
| [06:44:40] | clever: | maybe the firmware got reset again and its hiding in another subnet |
| [06:44:44] | sphery: | fpsdavid: in the nvidia, you simply specify Option "UseEDID" "False" or similar: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Specifying_DPI_for . . . DID_Settings (but that's an nvidia option that won't work for ATI unless they happened to choose the same name) |
| [06:44:59] | clever: | Lexridge: i fed the ip of everything into my dns server, so i can just go over to dlink.localnet |
| [06:45:13] | clever: | and reverse dns also works, so nmap shows the hostname of every host it finds |
| [06:45:36] | clever: | but the linksys isnt in that dns config file |
| [06:45:49] | Lexridge: | clever: perhaps it needs reset. |
| [06:46:07] | Lexridge: | typical of standard linksys firmware. |
| [06:46:14] | fpsdavid: | sphery: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Modeline_Database# . . . .2F_LNT5265F any idea how i do this? |
| [06:46:18] | clever: | the tcp stack isnt even replying |
| [06:46:18] | fpsdavid: | i have the Samsung LNT4061f |
| [06:46:30] | clever: | ive never seen it crash this much before |
| [06:47:24] | Lexridge: | stock linksys firmware crashes badly on bittorrent traffic. You doing any of that? |
| [06:47:41] | clever: | the linksys isnt acting as my gateway |
| [06:47:58] | Lexridge: | oh, okay |
| [06:47:59] | clever: | none of the torrent trafic has to pass thru its WAN port |
| [06:48:02] | sphery: | fpsdavid: I don't know anything about ATI cards/drivers, so I won't be any help. It's likely the driver config that's the issue. |
| [06:48:17] | clever: | the NAT has been totaly ignored for months |
| [06:49:00] | Lexridge: | try it with some third party firmware. You will be much happier. |
| [06:49:15] | Lexridge: | what is the model number and version of the router? |
| [06:49:26] | clever: | cant update the firmware if i cant get into the webui |
| [06:49:35] | Solaris444: | fpsdavid: what linux distro are you using? |
| [06:49:58] | clever: | befsr41 |
| [06:49:58] | Lexridge: | you will need to reset it via the reset button on the back of the router. Hold down the button until the power light starts to flash. |
| [06:50:21] | Lexridge: | about 20 seconds |
| [06:50:22] | clever: | i have 3 nfs rooted systems using it as a switch |
| [06:50:34] | clever: | 20 seconds of down time for the master backend wont make it happy |
| [06:51:06] | Lexridge: | well, it will also default to 192.168.1.1 when doing this as well. |
| [06:51:10] | fpsdavid: | Solaris444 |
| [06:51:16] | fpsdavid: | Solaris444: mythbuntu |
| [06:51:20] | Solaris444: | ahhh |
| [06:51:40] | Solaris444: | and did you remove the nvidia drivers before swapping out the card? |
| [06:51:56] | fpsdavid: | no, but i did after |
| [06:51:59] | sphery: | iamlindoro: Well, "VDPAU support on 0.21-fixes" made it to -users list... Can anyone close that darn box of Pandora's? |
| [06:52:20] | fpsdavid: | installing the ATI restricted drivers uninstalled then NVIDIA restricted drivers |
| [06:52:56] | Solaris444: | ok dude, that's probably the wrong order to do it in. |
| [06:53:19] | iamlindoro: | sphery, UGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| [06:53:22] | Solaris444: | i'll bet the reason your screen won't set a higher res is that your system is still using the vesa driver. |
| [06:53:33] | fpsdavid: | it says its using something like fgx____ |
| [06:53:45] | clever: | fglrx |
| [06:53:55] | iamlindoro: | sphery, There were a few hours where SOMEONE could have said "I will kill you if you post this crap" |
| [06:53:59] | fpsdavid: | yeah, fglrx |
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| [06:56:20] | sphery: | iamlindoro: I didn't want to be the one |
| [06:56:48] | iamlindoro: | sphery, I officially absolve myself of all user support from this point forward, in perpetuity |
| [06:57:28] | sphery: | you know I havan't been paying attention to the vdpau threads... that won't change |
| [06:57:48] | iamlindoro: | sphery, http://www.avenard.org/conspiracy/omgkool.swf |
| [06:57:56] | iamlindoro: | He's a 9/11 conspiracy nut, fantastic |
| [06:58:07] | ** sphery considers restarting firefox to enable Flash... ** | |
| [07:00:06] | iamlindoro: | sphery, It's been far more fun of late to write for myth than to offer support for it anyway |
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| [07:01:57] | sphery: | Just started a firefox -no-remote with HOME=/temporary/directory (where /temporary/directory/.mozilla/plugins contains flash plugin). |
| [07:02:24] | sphery: | It's BS that I have to have a whole different HOME dir structure to enable/disable plugins (shouldn't that be a per-profile thing). |
| [07:03:01] | iamlindoro: | yes, should be |
| [07:03:37] | iamlindoro: | I am going to remain mute on the backport issue-- I really hope someone will explain to him why it is an *awful* idea, though |
| [07:04:10] | sphery: | does this vid ever get to the theory |
| [07:04:26] | iamlindoro: | doubtful, I'd had my fill after a minute |
| [07:06:24] | sphery: | better question, does this vid ever end? |
| [07:07:26] | sphery: | so it wasn't a plane, but they don't say what it was. |
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| [07:08:05] | sphery: | bigger let down--in terms of questions vs answers--than Lost, but possibly also produced by J.J. Abrams |
| [07:08:10] | iamlindoro: | I have learned that conspiracy shmucks will find insane theories no matter who is in charge |
| [07:09:19] | iamlindoro: | Like the people PO'd about the digital TV delay-- well they can put the digital TV delay off until the earth spins off into cold, dark space for all I care-- we're stopping torture, amending energy policy, and improving our foreign relations-- to borrow a term from dustybin: SD analog FTW! |
| [07:09:27] | sphery: | I actually read some books as a for-fun "guilty pleasure" that I call my "conspiracy" books... Authors like Graham Hancock. |
| [07:10:10] | sphery: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_hancock |
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| [07:10:22] | iamlindoro: | wonder if mark_k appreciates being singled out and thanked for the backports patches :) |
| [07:10:58] | sphery: | fun to see all the meaningless connections he tries to make |
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| [07:12:13] | sphery: | yeah, i wondered how much of that help was real help and how much was just that mark wrote a bunch of trunk code |
| [07:12:23] | iamlindoro: | I think the latter |
| [07:12:42] | iamlindoro: | Jean-Yves waited what, three hours for an answer about where to post it before posting it to -users? |
| [07:12:52] | sphery: | yeah |
| [07:13:08] | iamlindoro: | This is a case of "I made a shiny toy, LOOK!" |
| [07:13:34] | iamlindoro: | like an iphone skin for your blackberry |
| [07:13:48] | iamlindoro: | except it makes your blackberry catch fire and gets your teenage daughter pregnant |
| [07:14:05] | iamlindoro: | and everyone will call apple for tech support on it |
| [07:14:15] | iamlindoro: | which will delay the new iPhone until 2011 |
| [07:14:19] | iamlindoro: | the end |
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| [07:15:57] | sphery: | Yeah, I think he's really trying to help/thinks the patch will help a lot of people and he just doesn't realize the problems it will cause. |
| [07:16:16] | sphery: | I just downloaded the patch. First good sign is that it doesn't touch dbcheck.cpp. :) |
| [07:16:46] | iamlindoro: | I notice the same three people keep responding with nonsense comments and questions to my patches |
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| [07:16:51] | iamlindoro: | including him |
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| [07:17:13] | sphery: | dual working copies to make the patch rather than using svn diff or whatever |
| [07:17:29] | sphery: | (whatever including quilt, git, ...) |
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| [07:18:39] | iamlindoro: | I pray to god he is PERSONALLY contacted for every bit of support... but sadly, we know it won't happen |
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| [07:19:29] | sphery: | Gotta say it's /much/ better than the HD-PVR backport based on the files it touches (considering it doesn't break the DB). |
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| [07:20:41] | sphery: | Though I can imagine future conversations on here/threads in -users/-dev lists going something like: "Video doesn't work." "Did you try the default configuration of Slim?" "If I do that I can't use VDPAU." "OK, you're on your own." |
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| [07:48:48] | justinh: | hahaha. Red Dwarf is 'returning to TV' |
| [07:49:01] | justinh: | with "no sets, no effects" |
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| [07:54:20] | test2: | hello , some easy questions ;) : |
| [07:54:50] | test2: | can i run mythfilldatabase elsewhere than from a terminal ? |
| [07:55:50] | test2: | (i mean from mythfrontend, or clicking an icone ?) |
| [07:56:10] | justinh: | you can make a menu entry for it if you want |
| [07:56:39] | justinh: | though why you'd want to run it at arbitrary times is beyond comprehension |
| [07:57:22] | test2: | i see.. it should be programmed so ? |
| [07:57:57] | justinh: | see the wiki |
| [07:58:09] | test2: | ok :) |
| [07:58:54] | justinh: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Menu_theme_develop . . . cial_Actions |
| [07:59:27] | test2: | ty4 link. last 1 : the wake on lane is supposed to light on my computer, true ? |
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| [08:00:14] | justinh: | erm... what use is wake on lan if the computer you run it from is already ON ? |
| [08:00:45] | test2: | logical :) |
| [08:00:47] | justinh: | wake on lan is done by a special packet of data over the network from another machine |
| [08:01:00] | test2: | ah.. |
| [08:01:33] | clever: | test2: there is also a button in mythwelcome to run mythfilldb |
| [08:03:16] | test2: | and .. can i automatically turn on my own cpu using myth'something' or do i have to program it outside of myth.. ? |
| [08:03:22] | test2: | (ty clever |
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| [08:09:11] | justinh: | can we have a hit put out on mr -fixes viddypow? for the good of the community? |
| [08:09:32] | RyeBrye: | consider him dead |
| [08:10:57] | justinh: | RyeBrye: btw I had a look at those new icons – the filmstrip ones. they're er.. not quite what I envisaged |
| [08:11:16] | RyeBrye: | that's fine. What are you wanting? |
| [08:11:24] | RyeBrye: | If you say a headstone and a bookmark I'm going to kill you |
| [08:11:29] | justinh: | lol |
| [08:11:34] | RyeBrye: | ;) |
| [08:12:42] | justinh: | well, the idea of having the icons interconnect is good, and one I've often considered. iamlindoro has taken it a little further than I would've in his theme, but I think grouping them could be nice |
| [08:13:03] | RyeBrye: | Our preferences might be different – but I prefer icons that reprsent the thing visually – whereas some people prefer icons that represent the words that represent the concept... (eg a flag for flag commercials – which is nice... if the user knows the term "commercial flagging" – otherwise it's like... What? is this a diplomatic show?) |
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| [08:13:16] | justinh: | heh |
| [08:13:47] | RyeBrye: | if you have some ideas for other ways of doing it, I'm game – I might use those other ones later in a different theme if I ever get around to making a different theme |
| [08:13:51] | justinh: | this is the hard part of iconography – other than the actual drawing |
| [08:13:53] | RyeBrye: | :) |
| [08:14:03] | RyeBrye: | you are exactly right :) the hard part is the idea |
| [08:14:27] | justinh: | I'd originally thought of a 'recycling' icon for 'autoexpiry' |
| [08:14:35] | justinh: | the idea being, it's gonna be recycled :) |
| [08:14:52] | test2: | (.. well, ty justinh for answers, i understand that wake on lane is not the tool i need, as I just want my cpu to auto-light on at 6.30 every morning ; i'll study the wiki to learn more .. but it gonna b hard in english ..) have a good day/night _ bye |
| [08:15:05] | test2: | (and for your patience) |
| [08:15:30] | justinh: | test2: your BIOS probably has an 'alarm clock' feature where you can set it to power on at a certain time |
| [08:15:38] | test2: | yep |
| [08:15:59] | test2: | think so.. may b got to move an horse .. got to see.. |
| [08:16:04] | justinh: | if you don't need that time to ever change, just set that :) |
| [08:16:14] | RyeBrye: | I can't think of anything better than a recycling icon – which shows it is recyclable (but a recycling bin I think would be wrong because it's not in the bin yet...) |
| [08:16:24] | justinh: | also, there are programs you can use to set that time :) |
| [08:16:39] | justinh: | RyeBrye: bins are out of the picture as far as I'm concerned |
| [08:16:45] | RyeBrye: | that's good |
| [08:16:46] | test2: | in bios it's perfect .. 6.30 am everyday :) |
| [08:16:58] | test2: | bye.. i let u work ;) |
| [08:17:14] | ** RyeBrye needs to disable apci on his new frontend... the damn thing shuts down at seemingly random times ** | |
| [08:17:34] | justinh: | RyeBrye: commflagging.. I hadn't got round to that one yet. no flags though.. and probably no dollar signs |
| [08:17:52] | RyeBrye: | yeah, the dollar sign was just the first thing that came to mind |
| [08:18:13] | justinh: | scissors or a razor blade for cutting ;) |
| [08:19:04] | justinh: | if we keep in mind that whatever we go for, somebody will always have trouble seeing what it's supposed to be just by looking at it |
| [08:19:08] | RyeBrye: | Yeah, the reason I thought filmstrip was because it was easy to show stuff that happens on the timeline – like flagging, skipping, or cutting – all pretty easily |
| [08:19:27] | RyeBrye: | That is true, but as long as you make them feel like an absolute retard when they know what it really is, then you are ok ;) |
| [08:19:31] | justinh: | yeah I could see that |
| [08:19:46] | justinh: | I come from a planet where program icons are square :P |
| [08:20:11] | RyeBrye: | Ah – you want those little icons to be square? |
| [08:20:15] | justinh: | don't mind making room where necessary though, say for the audio icons |
| [08:20:27] | justinh: | just not if it can be helped ;) |
| [08:20:43] | RyeBrye: | I can make them square.... but they will be tiny ;) |
| [08:20:53] | justinh: | nah they're ok rectangular |
| [08:22:09] | justinh: | though if they're gonna take up much more space than they do now, I'll have to lose a line from the 'recorded' buttonlist, so then they might aswell take up a whole line |
| [08:22:45] | RyeBrye: | Yeah, I should have worked on them with a screenshot of that screen behind them – but I didn't have one on hand |
| [08:23:04] | justinh: | I'll try to upload a shot with a newer layout today |
| [08:23:22] | justinh: | none of this is hard & fast though.. I don't mind shifting stuff round |
| [08:23:42] | RyeBrye: | that's fine |
| [08:23:50] | justinh: | this time I'm putting more effort into things being RIGHT on first release |
| [08:23:54] | RyeBrye: | It's your theme – I'm just trying to help get rid of the tombstone :) |
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| [08:25:09] | justinh: | btw the animated scissors in my web dir.. the ones I'd use would be mono line art ;) |
| [08:25:21] | justinh: | they were a proof of concept exercise |
| [08:27:05] | RyeBrye: | ah, I couldn't get that page to load so I haven't seen them |
| [08:27:19] | justinh: | http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/animated/ |
| [08:27:37] | justinh: | you'll have a job seeing most of them – they're white on a white background :P |
| [08:27:58] | justinh: | rather, they're white on transparent graphics, and the page background is white |
| [08:28:06] | RyeBrye: | I just put them all together closely and I think they hold their own concept better if they are seperated slightly |
| [08:29:08] | justinh: | actually.. I think for 'editing' a razor blade is the way to go |
| [08:29:21] | justinh: | much more precise than scissors |
| [08:29:35] | justinh: | though whether or not it's more immediate to people I dunno |
| [08:29:42] | justinh: | who cares. it's my theme :P |
| [08:29:51] | justinh: | they can always look at the key! |
| [08:30:15] | RyeBrye: | http://ryebrye.com/files/status_icons3.png |
| [08:30:47] | RyeBrye: | yeah, a razor blade works |
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| [08:32:44] | RyeBrye: | http://ryebrye.com/files/status_icons4.png |
| [08:33:00] | RyeBrye: | they are a little less wide than the original version in icons4.png |
| [08:34:23] | test2: | wiki of mythwelcome talk about ACPI_Wakeup to 'automatically shutdown and wakeup your machine' ; gonna try this .. ty all bye |
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| [08:34:59] | justinh: | RyeBrye: what do they look like when they're only 40 pixels high? |
| [08:35:16] | justinh: | or 50? |
| [08:35:33] | RyeBrye: | what's a pixel? |
| [08:35:33] | RyeBrye: | ;) |
| [08:36:04] | justinh: | if I had a 1080P screen, I'd probably not even be thinking about resolution loss |
| [08:36:10] | RyeBrye: | Ah, I thought you did have 1080p |
| [08:36:20] | ** RyeBrye gets out wallet ** | |
| [08:36:23] | RyeBrye: | crap. my money is all gone :( |
| [08:36:30] | justinh: | but when 0.22 is out I'll prolly still be using my 32" CRT widescreen TV |
| [08:36:56] | justinh: | the theme base res will likely be 1080 |
| [08:37:06] | justinh: | but it's got to look good at SD res too |
| [08:37:32] | RyeBrye: | isn't it a widescreen theme? |
| [08:37:59] | justinh: | yup |
| [08:38:49] | justinh: | always catches me out, that assumption |
| [08:39:09] | justinh: | cos you guys didn't really get widescreen programming til HDTV came along |
| [08:42:00] | justinh: | I should get ready & set off for work soon |
| [08:42:34] | justinh: | I always thought it was funny when folks called my -wide themes 'HD' when they were moaning about the lack of 4:3 support |
| [08:42:50] | RyeBrye: | http://ryebrye.com/files/small_icons.png there is is 50px high |
| [08:43:20] | RyeBrye: | they can use some work to make them look good smaller |
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| [08:44:02] | justinh: | they look better in context like that |
| [08:44:05] | RyeBrye: | the cutlist one is crappy in that one too |
| [08:44:21] | justinh: | hmmm. |
| [08:44:54] | justinh: | screw it. I'll use a whole line for status icons if push comes to shove |
| [08:45:06] | justinh: | how about this for 'commflagging' then... |
| [08:45:12] | RyeBrye: | ok |
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| [08:45:31] | justinh: | bear with me... |
| [08:45:36] | RyeBrye: | is comflagging the one that is an inprogress icon, or one that is a past-tense "has been comflagged"? |
| [08:45:58] | justinh: | there was talk of making both possible |
| [08:46:03] | RyeBrye: | that's cool |
| [08:46:09] | justinh: | though just go with the latter for now |
| [08:46:09] | RyeBrye: | yeah, animated in progress would be good |
| [08:46:12] | RyeBrye: | ok |
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| [08:46:23] | RyeBrye: | I'm listening |
| [08:47:51] | justinh: | based on the 'edit' icon... three frames or so in the filmstrip... first frame is white. second one, crossed out dollar sign. last frame same as the first |
| [08:48:07] | RyeBrye: | ok |
| [08:48:20] | justinh: | does that sound ok? |
| [08:49:20] | justinh: | or maybe like the first icon, where the two greyed out frames would have the crossed out dollar in em |
| [08:49:55] | justinh: | I'm also thinking it'd be nice to have the filmstrips be the same height as the audio icons |
| [08:50:07] | justinh: | just for continuity |
| [08:50:31] | RyeBrye: | I made them a bit smaller so that the things that poked out on top would fit |
| [08:50:47] | RyeBrye: | I've just been using white and alpha transparency so far |
| [08:51:00] | justinh: | that's cool |
| [08:51:04] | RyeBrye: | are you thinking of a white $ crossed out with an x? |
| [08:51:14] | justinh: | yeah |
| [08:51:37] | RyeBrye: | ok, a hand-drawn looking dollar sign (like someone sketched it in there) or a machine-generated dollar sign ( like it was pre-existing and then someone crossed it out)? |
| [08:51:50] | justinh: | the latter |
| [08:52:04] | justinh: | put like that it works better... 'machine-generated' ;) |
| [08:52:20] | justinh: | commercials aren't made by humans :P |
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| [08:53:06] | justinh: | don't take this the wrong way btw but what does the 1st icon represent? |
| [08:53:17] | RyeBrye: | the bracketed thing? |
| [08:53:19] | RyeBrye: | that was the commflag |
| [08:53:22] | RyeBrye: | but I removed the $ |
| [08:53:24] | justinh: | ah ok |
| [08:53:32] | RyeBrye: | then it became rather ambiguous |
| [08:53:36] | oobe: | some of my recordings play ok with out sync issues but when i rip them to xvid using nuvexport they are out of sync each time i try |
| [08:53:53] | oobe: | does this happen to anyone |
| [08:53:54] | justinh: | oobe: that's the beauty of xvid :P |
| [08:54:16] | oobe: | is there anything i can do about it |
| [08:54:24] | justinh: | stop using xvid? |
| [08:54:27] | oobe: | h264 didnt work for me |
| [08:54:33] | oobe: | and divx is worse |
| [08:54:49] | oobe: | what would you suggest |
| [08:54:53] | justinh: | xvid with constant bitrate audio or variable? |
| [08:55:06] | oobe: | variable multipass |
| [08:55:25] | oobe: | i havent tried without variable and multipass |
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| [08:55:31] | justinh: | what you might need to do is demux the recordings first into separate audio & video streams, then remux/encode them into xvid |
| [08:55:34] | justinh: | messier |
| [08:55:46] | justinh: | oobe: what's the source format? |
| [08:55:54] | oobe: | nuv |
| [08:56:04] | oobe: | i have my recordings auto transcode |
| [08:56:22] | justinh: | so you go from lossy to lossy to even lossier? bleh |
| [08:56:22] | oobe: | i decided to try not auto transcoding and those worked fine |
| [08:56:44] | oobe: | but i also have had many nuv's work fine |
| [08:56:49] | oobe: | its only some |
| [08:56:53] | justinh: | I experimented with transcoding a few times. it's not worth the hassle |
| [08:57:09] | oobe: | and they are consistantly bad |
| [08:57:16] | oobe: | like the same one's wont work |
| [08:57:20] | justinh: | so I'd save a few GB. big wow. it looks like poo when it comes out the other end |
| [08:57:37] | oobe: | i dont mind transcoding it looks ok |
| [08:58:08] | oobe: | im only ripping things that are kinda rare and making torrents for archiving purposes |
| [08:58:34] | justinh: | you shouldn't have said the last bit. no more help from me fella |
| [08:58:45] | oobe: | ok then |
| [08:58:59] | oobe: | you wernt to helpful anyway :P |
| [08:59:37] | oobe: | oh wait i missed the demux line |
| [08:59:45] | oobe: | yeah i will try that |
| [08:59:45] | ** justinh deletes the demux line ** | |
| [08:59:47] | oobe: | thanks |
| [08:59:52] | oobe: | lol |
| [09:00:08] | ** justinh feels dirty now. helping a filthy file sharer ** | |
| [09:00:33] | oobe: | so are you morally opposed to sharing recorrdings online or is it a rule you are compelled to force |
| [09:02:02] | RyeBrye: | http://ryebrye.com/files/small_icons2.png |
| [09:02:28] | directhex: | RyeBrye, the scribbly one for cutlists is cute |
| [09:02:30] | RyeBrye: | justinh: X'ing out a $ and having it still be legible as a $ is pretty tough at that size. The $ there is punched out of the frame |
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| [09:02:54] | RyeBrye: | directhex: that wasn't for cutlist. That was for auto expire |
| [09:02:59] | RyeBrye: | ;) |
| [09:03:06] | RyeBrye: | j/k |
| [09:03:25] | oobe: | that was a loaded question anyway justinh so its ok you didnt answer |
| [09:04:41] | RyeBrye: | oobe: discussing sharing recordings or anything outside of established fair use is taboo in this channel |
| [09:05:05] | oobe: | yes got it |
| [09:05:23] | RyeBrye: | oobe: and distributing your own recordings across your home LAN can be done much more efficiently using normal file transfers than torrents – unless you have a LOT of computers on your home LAN |
| [09:05:41] | RyeBrye: | well... even then... if they are all on the same switch, the torrent wouldn't help it |
| [09:06:00] | oobe: | heh |
| [09:06:08] | oobe: | good thing no one would ever try doing that |
| [09:07:38] | RyeBrye: | justinh: in the theme can you have it align-right and build out the format icons as they are needed? so shows that don't use all of them wont have a sparsely populated line? |
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| [09:10:20] | directhex: | RyeBrye, even better, make the border containing the icons align right but expand left! |
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| [09:11:33] | oobe: | does anyone know an easy why to find the literal name of a specific myth recording |
| [09:11:57] | RyeBrye: | an easy why? maybe because you want to find the file that matches a specific recording |
| [09:12:10] | RyeBrye: | an easy way? dunno. some people use mythrename.pl to rename them to the titles and stuf |
| [09:13:01] | oobe: | yeah i just found that |
| [09:13:05] | oobe: | amazing |
| [09:13:33] | RyeBrye: | nuvexport works for exporting |
| [09:14:03] | Gumby: | select select title,basename,hostname from recorded; |
| [09:14:06] | Gumby: | -select |
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| [09:16:01] | oobe: | mythrename works great |
| [09:19:39] | RyeBrye: | anyway. off to bed |
| [09:19:41] | ** RyeBrye goes to bed ** | |
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| [09:49:33] | justinh: | RyeBrye: thing about the icons not taking a whole line is this: if you have them at one side of the screen, what do you put in the space? and rather than gaps, just have greyed out (25% or so alpha) icons :) if they were on the same line as a text element there's another tradeoff.. e.g. title length vs icon space :-\ I'd rather avoid that |
| [09:50:23] | justinh: | oobe: and FYI this is a logged channel. you'd be admitting you're going to share recordings – not the wisest move you'd ever make despite the channel rules or any moral objections people have :P |
| [09:50:31] | directhex: | i should make a mockup of what i mean |
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| [10:03:46] | justinh: | oh great |
| [10:04:01] | justinh: | Suddenly the Dungeon collapses!! – You die... |
| [10:04:49] | justinh: | one for the 'strange but true' pile, that error message. gee thanks for giving me a meaningful error message, loonix |
| [10:05:38] | justinh: | so synaptic crashed while it was removing ekiga .. and then I have no shell at all. no commands found |
| [10:06:18] | justinh: | $ ls ... -bash: /bin/ls: Input/output error |
| [10:06:31] | directhex: | fucked FS? |
| [10:06:35] | directhex: | check dmesg |
| [10:06:43] | justinh: | what do I check dmesg with? |
| [10:06:58] | justinh: | -bash: dmesg: command not found |
| [10:07:10] | directhex: | no /bin/dmesg? |
| [10:07:12] | directhex: | sounds bad |
| [10:07:34] | justinh: | sounded bad last time it happened too |
| [10:07:42] | directhex: | which FS? |
| [10:07:45] | justinh: | synaptic caused it last time aswell |
| [10:07:46] | justinh: | ext3 |
| [10:08:15] | justinh: | I can't do anything about it from here either |
| [10:08:16] | directhex: | triggered it. ekiga is hardly related to FS access |
| [10:08:33] | justinh: | how would synaptic trigger it though? |
| [10:08:56] | directhex: | too much I/O? tripping on a bad block? |
| [10:09:06] | justinh: | hmmm |
| [10:09:08] | directhex: | who knows. needs a reboot though, absolute best case |
| [10:09:22] | justinh: | well, gonna have to take it down & redo the OS anyway |
| [10:09:29] | directhex: | ext3 SHOULD be smart enough to remount read-only in the event of catastrophic multi-engine failure |
| [10:09:42] | directhex: | and "gone" files may not be gone post-reboot |
| [10:09:57] | directhex: | if there's bad shit in the cache, or bad things which haven't been committed, and so on |
| [10:10:03] | justinh: | now I've lost ssh |
| [10:11:16] | justinh: | weird. trying to reconnect is saying not 'timed out' but 'server refused connection' |
| [10:12:21] | justinh: | well, good job all my media is on a different fs, as are my daily database backups |
| [10:12:39] | directhex: | first try a reboot to assess damage. it really might not be as bad as it appears |
| [10:12:51] | justinh: | nothing i can do til I go home now |
| [10:12:54] | justinh: | que sera |
| [10:13:31] | justinh: | this is the part where clever helpfully pipes in that if I had a serial terminal ... |
| [10:14:10] | directhex: | you'd need a gatekeeper of some kind. something for the serial connection to plug into |
| [10:14:20] | justinh: | I know |
| [10:14:32] | justinh: | which by sod's law would also be liable to fall down |
| [10:14:56] | directhex: | a problem i am currently trying to work out |
| [10:15:08] | Dibblah: | directhex: Wireless router. |
| [10:15:16] | justinh: | anyway, I've seen this before. fsck will need to be run manually again no doubt, and will find plenty of broken inodes |
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| [10:15:27] | Dibblah: | Personally, I'd recommend a wrt634u, if it was still available :) |
| [10:16:11] | directhex: | Dibblah, routers have dreadful cooling. heat is my enemy in this use-case, since i need something with two independent network ports which will stay alive during a catastrophic aircon failure |
| [10:16:35] | Dibblah: | ... Mine don't. |
| [10:16:53] | Dibblah: | Remove case – Add fsck off big heatsink – Job done. |
| [10:17:24] | Dibblah: | Independent from each other, or externally? |
| [10:17:38] | Dibblah: | Most wireless routers with hubs support tagged VLANs. |
| [10:17:54] | Dibblah: | Which means they essentially have up to 5 individual ports available. |
| [10:18:58] | Dibblah: | The 634u, for example, also has a USB port and 2 serial ports (which only need max232s to get them up to rs232 levels) |
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| [10:29:15] | justinh: | there's the rub right there |
| [10:29:29] | justinh: | you have to find a suitable model for sale at the right price :P |
| [10:32:07] | ** Dibblah really likes the look of these "cheap and nasty" £15 dvb-t cards. ** | |
| [10:32:33] | Dibblah: | The chipset is funky – Inbuilt PID filter, 8051, ... |
| [10:32:53] | Dibblah: | Shame it's not supported under Linux, really :( |
| [10:35:12] | Gumby: | hi all. I've changed the mount point for where my recordings get stored and I also went into my recording directories and edited them in mythtv-setup however I am seeing a lot of "/GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/dvr2/1151_20090124203000.mpg. File doesn't exist" in my logs. Is there somewhere in the mysql db I can check to see where myth is looking for recordings? I also see Error: File 'myth://192.168.1.15:6543/2190 |
| [10:35:12] | Gumby: | _20090122190000.mpg' missing on my frontend but if I click on the show it does play somehow |
| [10:37:16] | Dibblah: | Gumby: Have you manually edited anything in the database? |
| [10:37:47] | Dibblah: | And are there symlinks involved in the path to your recordings? |
| [10:40:23] | Gumby: | nothing to do with file locations no. if I for instance do select basename,group,hostname from recorded where title='mytitle' I get valid info. And no, no symlinks |
| [10:40:43] | Dibblah: | Try -v all. |
| [10:40:52] | Dibblah: | See if it shows you any more info. |
| [10:41:25] | Gumby: | ok |
| [10:42:08] | Gumby: | just the frontend or both front and backend? |
| [10:42:24] | Gumby: | I can see on the backend that its not looking in the right place |
| [10:42:52] | Dibblah: | Have you restarted the backend? |
| [10:43:10] | Gumby: | yes. however not the master |
| [10:43:17] | Gumby: | err.. wait. yes I have |
| [10:43:41] | Gumby: | one frontend/slave, one slave, one master all restarted |
| [10:44:00] | Dibblah: | Myth checks through all SGs to find a recording. |
| [10:44:09] | Dibblah: | Have you defined the SGs on all backends? |
| [10:44:14] | Dibblah: | (The SG is not global) |
| [10:44:27] | Gumby: | yes. each box has a different SG for right now |
| [10:44:31] | Dibblah: | Frontends, too – If you want that. |
| [10:45:04] | Gumby: | I have 3 storage groups on each box default,adult,movies |
| [10:45:09] | Dibblah: | Are the SGs NFS mounted and common? |
| [10:45:21] | Dibblah: | ie are they all available to all BEs? |
| [10:45:52] | sid4windr: | adult?! : |
| [10:45:52] | Gumby: | not all are nfs mounted on each machine no. they are all mounted on the frontend |
| [10:45:54] | sid4windr: | :] |
| [10:45:56] | Gumby: | :) |
| [10:46:23] | Dibblah: | Right. In which case, the error you're seeing is probably the MBE not being able to find the recording, since it can't access it. |
| [10:46:55] | Gumby: | why does it need to find it? doesnt the myth:// protocol handle that? Ive never had them mounted before and this has not been an issue |
| [10:47:08] | Gumby: | I should say, why does it need to find it locally |
| [10:47:25] | directhex: | there's a tickbox to control that iirc |
| [10:47:38] | directhex: | although..... what is the hostname of your machine? |
| [10:47:42] | Dibblah: | directhex: Not between BEs, AFAIK. |
| [10:47:57] | Gumby: | I'll mount them and give it a try. But its never been an issue before |
| [10:48:01] | Dibblah: | It'll need to find it for expiry. |
| [10:48:10] | Gumby: | Ive never had my recording dirs mounted on the MBE |
| [10:48:18] | Dibblah: | I could well be wrong, though. |
| [10:48:25] | Gumby: | directhex: hostname(s) = dvr, dvr2, dvr3 |
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| [10:48:54] | justinh: | well, I'm outta here. no point hanging about in a java irc client/ meh |
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| [11:02:52] | justinh: | heh. Suddenly the dungeon collapses.. that error's in screen |
| [11:05:37] | justinh: | and what a stupid name for a program. how is anybody expected to find a source tarball of it? |
| [11:08:41] | justinh: | ah. full name GNU Screen |
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| [11:11:21] | justinh: | ah. if (AttacherPanic) .. printf("\nSuddenly the Dungeon collapses!! – You die ... \n |
| [11:11:43] | justinh: | I can see me sending a patch in for that |
| [11:14:20] | justinh: | so.. looks like it's polling the process which spawned it, so if that stops.. it quits |
| [11:17:42] | justinh: | oh it's supposed to be FUNNY! |
| [11:17:43] | justinh: | :-O |
| [11:19:23] | sid4windr: | istr it was from an old atari game |
| [11:19:27] | sid4windr: | or so |
| [11:20:10] | sid4windr: | ah, from nethack |
| [11:20:26] | justinh: | my sides are still hurting from laughing so hard |
| [11:20:32] | justinh: | NOT |
| [11:21:10] | sid4windr: | don't blame screen for your crappy hardware ;) |
| [11:21:50] | justinh: | You can turn it off with "nethack off" in you .screenrc. Not that the real error message is any more useful for this situation... |
| [11:22:02] | justinh: | sid4windr: shut up |
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| [12:54:52] | jduggan: | lol. |
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| [13:06:34] | yunosh: | hi, how do i use the finetuning in mythweb? i have to tune down all channels by 500MHz because i have a tt c-2300, but entering -500000 in the fine tune field doesn't seem to work |
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| [13:27:06] | justinh: | well, if my backend has survived its little crash I think it'll be time for its upgrade this weekend |
| [13:27:37] | justinh: | put it off for too long, and what's left of its root fs is probably not worth keeping beyond config files |
| [13:30:33] | directhex: | i have my new case and power supply for my new desktop :) |
| [13:33:25] | justinh: | my backend's case will be getting a good clean out, and probably a couple of new fans fitted |
| [13:33:41] | justinh: | I realised today my desktop machine at home is 11 years old |
| [13:34:12] | justinh: | laptop is the newest, then my desktop, then the backend |
| [13:34:39] | justinh: | though that's a bit like saying look at my hundred year old broom. all I've changed is the handle & the head |
| [13:36:50] | justinh: | then again, the CPUs, motherboards & RAM are all likely originals |
| [13:38:28] | directhex: | new power supply too |
| [13:38:33] | directhex: | 850 watter |
| [13:38:49] | justinh: | for SLI silliness? |
| [13:40:36] | directhex: | of course |
| [13:40:48] | directhex: | why get a mobo with 3-way sli abilities but no psu to do it? |
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| [13:45:35] | aBs0lut30: | hey guys, last night I was watching tv and started getting some odd things happening and finally it popped up a message saying it had lost the connection to the backend, so I went and pulled the log and found some strange messages http://pastebin.com/m6afa114f the log file was up to over 150k lines 90% of them were the same thing over and over, what could it be? running .22 from SVN |
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| [14:32:33] | Dibblah: | aBs0lut30: Is this current trunk? |
| [14:34:02] | aBs0lut30: | about 4 days old... |
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| [14:37:17] | Dibblah: | Looks like a bad h.264 stream... |
| [14:37:29] | Dibblah: | Does it play with mplayer / ffplay? |
| [14:38:01] | aBs0lut30: | humm... the stream is comming from a hd-pvr.. havent given that a try, and it plays in the internal player, just after a while it dies... |
| [14:41:10] | aBs0lut30: | could the bitrate from the hd-pvr be set to high? |
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| [14:47:35] | justinh: | GreyFoxx: remember you were asking about hdmi over cat5 a while back. stumbled on this just now: http://www.keene.co.uk/multi.php?mycode=HDMIC550 |
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| [14:53:31] | NeoMatrixJR: | Can anyone help me figure out why my lirc module won't load/why the port is in use? "lirc_it87: i/o port 0x0310 already in use." |
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| [14:53:54] | justinh: | easy |
| [14:54:00] | justinh: | the port is already in use |
| [14:54:11] | justinh: | i.e. you've not used setserial to put it out of use first |
| [14:54:25] | NeoMatrixJR: | ? |
| [14:54:43] | justinh: | oh wait.. wth is that address? |
| [14:54:44] | NeoMatrixJR: | ok, I'll bite, but what put it IN use? |
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| [14:55:07] | NeoMatrixJR: | it's an IR port on a it87* chip. |
| [14:55:54] | justinh: | sure the module isn't already loaded? |
| [14:57:00] | NeoMatrixJR: | this is all I've got for dmesg | grep lirc: http://rafb.net/p/ncryCA22.html |
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| [14:58:10] | justinh: | what the heck is that device on? |
| [14:58:53] | NeoMatrixJR: | built-in motherboard ir port on a Biostar iDeq 210M |
| [14:59:08] | Dibblah: | cat /proc/ports |
| [14:59:49] | justinh: | blimmin stupid, assuming onboard stuff can be used for lirc, even if lirc modules exist |
| [15:00:15] | Dibblah: | Seems rather hopeful. |
| [15:00:26] | Dibblah: | (Most of the IR ports are not CIR capable) |
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| [15:00:44] | justinh: | well, according to a datasheet, maybe this one is |
| [15:00:52] | NeoMatrixJR: | supposidly there's somone out there that got this to work on an ideq 210v |
| [15:01:02] | justinh: | you'll have to find out what is using the port |
| [15:01:05] | justinh: | something IS using it |
| [15:01:10] | NeoMatrixJR: | it's recieve only and built for remotes I believe |
| [15:01:25] | NeoMatrixJR: | cat /proc/ioports: http://rafb.net/p/I1ApaT88.html |
| [15:01:33] | NeoMatrixJR: | don't see it listed here though ... :( |
| [15:02:40] | justinh: | oof. via everything. good luck with that |
| [15:03:07] | ** Dibblah mumbles at the stupid design of standard UHF style TV plugs without screws internally. ** | |
| [15:03:30] | justinh: | Dibblah: that's cos they're meant to be soldered :) |
| [15:03:32] | Dibblah: | (Just poke the wire in – Yeah, that'll give good contact) |
| [15:03:45] | Dibblah: | justinh: Uhuh? How? |
| [15:04:04] | justinh: | no hole at the end? |
| [15:04:09] | Dibblah: | The only remotely possible option is to end-feed the solder. |
| [15:04:20] | Dibblah: | However, the other end is in thermoplastic. |
| [15:04:41] | justinh: | the old ones had centre pins which were hollow |
| [15:04:49] | Dibblah: | Yeah – The pin is hollow. |
| [15:04:49] | justinh: | in the good old days |
| [15:05:08] | Dibblah: | But the insulator is thermoplastic with a melting temperature of about 170. |
| [15:05:17] | justinh: | so? |
| [15:05:20] | Dibblah: | Which makes soldering rather... Less entertaining. |
| [15:05:38] | justinh: | how long do you think it takes to make the joint? |
| [15:05:52] | justinh: | or rather, how long does it take you to make a solder joint? ;-) |
| [15:07:01] | justinh: | if you're really worried, get somebody to help & shunt the heat away with pliers before the pin meets the plastic :) |
| [15:07:03] | Dibblah: | The connector is not pre-tinned. |
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| [15:07:17] | Dibblah: | It's just... Nasty. |
| [15:07:33] | justinh: | the only alternative is to modify all your gear with f-sockets |
| [15:07:41] | justinh: | something I'm tempted to do with mine |
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| [15:08:24] | Dibblah: | This style: http://www.dse.com.au/isroot/dse/images/products/p2020~sml.jpg |
| [15:08:28] | NeoMatrixJR: | is there any way to get a list of ttyS* and what IO port they're tied to? |
| [15:08:49] | justinh: | Dibblah: yeah done loads of them |
| [15:08:54] | justinh: | doddle |
| [15:09:16] | Dibblah: | Heh. I must just not have the knack / the caustic flux :) |
| [15:09:24] | justinh: | better than the shite B&Q sell with the stupid screw terminals |
| [15:09:51] | justinh: | 60/40 tin/lead solder (Multicore) . no flux needed |
| [15:10:04] | Dibblah: | If it's multicore.... |
| [15:10:12] | Dibblah: | Then it's flux inclusive. |
| [15:10:16] | justinh: | yup |
| [15:10:24] | Dibblah: | And if it's tin-lead, then it's probably rosin. |
| [15:10:27] | Dibblah: | Mmmmm... Rosin. |
| [15:10:28] | justinh: | any good solder will have flux in it |
| [15:10:33] | justinh: | bah |
| [15:10:38] | aBs0lut30: | dibblah: on my 264 problem, could it be that the stream from the hd-pvr is at to high of a bitrate? i hvae it cranked all the way up... |
| [15:10:48] | justinh: | do you want to live a long or do you want to be good at soldering? |
| [15:10:55] | Dibblah: | aBs0lut30: I have no idea. Try not doing that :) |
| [15:10:55] | justinh: | *a long time |
| [15:11:08] | Dibblah: | I'm not too bad at soldering. |
| [15:11:17] | Dibblah: | I give up at less than 0403. |
| [15:11:27] | justinh: | 0402 is nasty |
| [15:11:52] | justinh: | we're about to go smaller here. no more hand reworking |
| [15:12:10] | Dibblah: | I find QFN quite easy, unusually. .45mm pitch on the parts I did. |
| [15:12:51] | justinh: | 0202 is weeeeeeeeeely bad |
| [15:13:17] | justinh: | we have a lot of BGA devices now too, so no reworking them by hand here either |
| [15:14:10] | Dibblah: | BGA rework is quite possible, if you don't mind losing the part. |
| [15:14:31] | justinh: | 0202 == 20 thou long by 20 thou wide. ffs |
| [15:14:34] | Dibblah: | ie just heat the top until it floats, then remove + clean up + insert new part. |
| [15:14:56] | justinh: | yeah easy |
| [15:15:04] | justinh: | if you have decent reflow |
| [15:15:10] | Dibblah: | I didn't say it's easy, I just said that it's possible :) |
| [15:15:12] | justinh: | getting devices off is easy |
| [15:15:36] | justinh: | I've reworked CCGA in my time. now they are nasty |
| [15:15:59] | justinh: | like BGA, only with columns rather than balls |
| [15:16:14] | justinh: | and the columns' melting point isn't that much greater than the solder |
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| [15:18:30] | Dibblah: | Mmmm... Toys. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=h1SrrPfu3Ws |
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| [15:19:03] | Dibblah: | Apologies everyone. I keep forgetting that justinh doesn't live in ##electronics too :( |
| [15:20:11] | justinh: | there's a #electronics? might have to drop by one day |
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| [15:21:16] | Dibblah: | It's very lively. Not much isn't discussed there – UAVs, etc. |
| [15:21:28] | Dibblah: | There's even a resistor color code game bot. Wooo. ;) |
| [15:22:17] | justinh: | roflmao. found a log |
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| [15:27:02] | justinh: | almost time to go home & fix my sick loonix conscooter |
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| [15:27:15] | Dibblah: | justinh: Oooh. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt . . . 200301151603 |
| [15:27:21] | Dibblah: | Heh. :) |
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| [16:07:18] | RyeBrye: | justinh – I had another thought about the bookmark one... what about if instead of just showing bookmark or trying to represent it – you just generate the screenshot for it and put it down there (unless someone has said not to in the preferences – and then it's their own fault and the get a confusing icon instead) |
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| [16:07:36] | RyeBrye: | same for comflagging – why bother showing an icon – just show the status.. "6 commercial breaks" or perhaps show the timeline with the actual breaks on it |
| [16:08:02] | RyeBrye: | It'd be a hell of a lot more useful imo to see the # of breaks or a timeline with the breaks on them than to just see that it had been comflagged |
| [16:08:10] | RyeBrye: | just a few thoughts |
| [16:08:40] | RyeBrye: | might need to bribe gbee if there isn't enough stuff in place to do it right now |
| [16:13:02] | gbee: | I don't come cheap ;) |
| [16:13:57] | RyeBrye: | justinh: getting devices off is easy <-- you use ky instead of flux? |
| [16:14:04] | ** RyeBrye hides ** | |
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| [16:16:50] | RyeBrye: | xris: mythweb reads straight from the DB for many things, and uses mythproto and that xml format for some communication stuff, right? |
| [16:18:32] | RyeBrye: | which columns on "program" are indexed? |
| [16:18:39] | ** RyeBrye is too lazy to check ** | |
| [16:18:58] | RyeBrye: | ok, nm. I checked |
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| [16:20:59] | ** iamlindoro_ grumbles about people who comment on tickets without reading/trying them ** | |
| [16:21:17] | RyeBrye: | you mean tickets aren't meant to be like digg articles? |
| [16:22:51] | iamlindoro_: | That's on top of people who get all offended when their totally messed up backport tickets get closed |
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| [16:25:05] | RyeBrye: | you should make a special account called "BackportNazi" and have him close all the tickets |
| [16:25:47] | iamlindoro_: | My favorite response was the one that threatened to fork myth |
| [16:26:17] | iamlindoro_: | I think it would be *hilarious* to see the -users list fork myth |
| [16:26:26] | iamlindoro_: | it would be like monkeys with a moon program |
| [16:26:42] | RyeBrye: | yeah. if you can't run trunk htf can you fork myth? |
| [16:26:56] | RyeBrye: | and if you can run trunk, wtf would you fork myth? |
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| [16:30:22] | directhex: | RyeBrye, by downloading a tarball & running sed -i 's/MythTV/AwesomeTV/' * |
| [16:30:39] | RyeBrye: | yeah, but how do they compile it? |
| [16:31:12] | aBs0lut30: | I have started seeing some strange errors in my backend log http://pastebin.com/m6afa114f I get that over and over and over again, after a bit the video playback starts acting up and finally the frontend pops up a message saying that its lost the connection to the backend and dies... seems to only do it while its recording or playing live tv, not from a already recorded file HD-PVR with .22 SVN |
| [16:31:23] | directhex: | RyeBrye, usually with a hard-coded .sh file downloaded from a forum which mimics the behaviour of make :) |
| [16:38:00] | abqjp: | aBs0lut30, those message are attempts to either commercial flag, or create a preview image. If you look at your frontend logs, you probably see the same thing whenever you start to watch a show, or skip around in a show. There is something slightly off in how Myth is either recording the location of keyframes, or in how myth is seeking to a keyframe. I have been looking into it, but don't know when I will have a fix. |
| [16:38:52] | aBs0lut30: | ahhh, well as long as its a known issue, and not something in my setup i'm cool, thanks... |
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| [16:41:20] | abqjp: | Generating the preview, It does seem to cause the backend to stop responding to the frontend on rare occasions. I have no idea on that one, and would even know where to start looking. That problem has become evident recently, now that myth will try and generate several previews in parallel. |
| [16:41:36] | abqjp: | s/would/wouldn't/ |
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| [16:42:42] | aBs0lut30: | FUN! gotta love off the wall issues :) |
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| [16:47:50] | iamlindoro_: | This thread is awesome- It's like a puppy chasing its tail |
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| [16:48:03] | laga: | iamlindoro_: which thread? |
| [16:48:11] | iamlindoro_: | All the accusations of "you devs should stop acting this way" when not a single dev has posted to it |
| [16:48:26] | iamlindoro_: | laga: the -users thread on VDPAU for .21-fixes |
| [16:48:31] | ldiamond: | Does anyone here know how to make a Logitech Harmony 670 remote learn new commands in linux? (congruity doesnt seem to support it) |
| [16:48:38] | iamlindoro_: | Which, thanks to one user, is now totally misthreaded |
| [16:48:43] | laga: | iamlindoro_: ugh |
| [16:48:50] | laga: | not gonna read that, my head is already hurting |
| [16:48:59] | iamlindoro_: | laga: Including a threat for fork Myth! :) |
| [16:49:02] | iamlindoro_: | er to fork |
| [16:49:13] | laga: | okay |
| [16:49:16] | laga: | i'm gonna read it |
| [16:49:19] | iamlindoro_: | which IMO would be awesome |
| [16:49:52] | aBs0lut30: | but what if we like sporks better? ;) |
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| [16:51:40] | gbee: | there have been so many people threatening to fork myth because the devs wouldn't pretend that their views were more important than anyone elses |
| [16:51:48] | gbee: | successful forks = zero |
| [16:52:32] | laga: | "Do you want the user community to fork mythtv?" |
| [16:52:34] | laga: | rotfl |
| [16:52:45] | gbee: | generally because the people talking of forking have never touched a line of code in their lives, haven't the first clue of the huge amount of work involved and the time put in by the devs |
| [16:52:58] | ** iamlindoro_ nods ** | |
| [16:53:51] | RyeBrye: | well.. an initial fork with just one patch would be easy – but getting it packaged, distributed, etc etc would certainly not be easy – or worth it |
| [16:54:05] | ldiamond: | Is there an application out there that would allow me to map IR commands (that the utility learns) with keyboard shortcuts for example? |
| [16:54:37] | ldiamond: | So suppose I press volume down on my remote, the application sends the VolDown signal (same as the voldown on my keyboard) ? |
| [16:56:16] | gbee: | one that does the whole thing from start to finish? not aware of one |
| [16:56:47] | gbee: | irrecord is what you want to 'learn' the IR commands and assign meaningful names to them |
| [16:59:10] | ldiamond: | google only gives me stuffs about LIRC when searching for irrecord |
| [16:59:18] | ldiamond: | do you know where I can download it? |
| [16:59:28] | iamlindoro_: | irrecord is part of lirc |
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| [17:03:58] | yunosh: | is there some tool/application to fine tune station settings? not necessarily for mythtv. something that shows the tv screen while allowing you to fine tune frequency, qam etc |
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| [17:21:39] | ldiamond: | Can anyone here help me setup my remote? |
| [17:22:56] | NeoMatrixJR: | ldiamond: Have you seen this: http://blog.cyphermox.net/2008/07/using-logit . . . mote-on.html |
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| [17:24:12] | sUP: | hey guys |
| [17:24:17] | ldiamond: | NeoMatrixJR, yes, that explains how to setup a programs to configure the remote. Mine is fully setup, but I can't control my computer with it. |
| [17:24:30] | sUP: | im having a big problem with Mythdora 5 and my card |
| [17:24:33] | sUP: | can someone help me? |
| [17:24:36] | ldiamond: | I installed LIRC, but now I want it to be able to receive the IR commands from my remote |
| [17:24:53] | ldiamond: | and I want to assign different IR commands to a keyboard shortcut |
| [17:24:58] | NeoMatrixJR: | ldiamond: do you know what kind of ir receiver you have? |
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| [17:25:09] | ldiamond: | apparently an ITE |
| [17:25:22] | ldiamond: | ITE Remote Controller |
| [17:25:38] | ldiamond: | its a receiver directly on my laptop |
| [17:25:52] | NeoMatrixJR: | ldiamod: oh boy...you're in the EXACT same boat i'm in....oh wait. um...hangon |
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| [17:26:39] | NeoMatrixJR: | ldiamond: ok, can you send a pastebin of your dmesg? |
| [17:26:49] | ldiamond: | sure |
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| [17:27:17] | sUP: | I have tries 3 different TV CARDS and I try to configure them in MythTV and add a channel buy i can't access it |
| [17:27:34] | NeoMatrixJR: | ldiamond: and lsmod | grep ir |
| [17:27:39] | sUP: | I spent hours for reading manuals and stuff like that and none |
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| [17:28:49] | sUP: | anyone? :| |
| [17:29:13] | NeoMatrixJR: | sUP: you just can't find the channel scan feature? |
| [17:29:14] | ldiamond: | NeoMatrixJR, both in the same paste or 2 separate? |
| [17:29:41] | NeoMatrixJR: | ldiamond, either's fine, just separate them so u can tell |
| [17:29:49] | sUP: | no no, when i hit setup i need to config the capture card |
| [17:30:07] | ldiamond: | http://pastebin.ca/1319667 |
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| [17:30:10] | ldiamond: | Look at last line |
| [17:30:11] | ldiamond: | odd. |
| [17:30:23] | sUP: | i tried IVTV MPEG2 and V4L |
| [17:30:33] | sUP: | selected the composite 1 and 3 |
| [17:30:35] | ldiamond: | lsmod | grep ir returns nothing |
| [17:30:38] | sUP: | what i need to do then |
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| [17:33:31] | NeoMatrixJR: | ldiamond, you haven't loaded lirc modules yet. Lets start with this: run : "modprobe lirc_dev" and then "modprobe lirc_it87" then send me a new copy of your dmesg. |
| [17:34:25] | ldiamond: | NeoMatrixJR, wait, I just restarted it, ill pastbin the dmesg again |
| [17:34:54] | RyeBrye: | are there any friendly sources to get TV-show promotional images like the ones that they show in the listings here when you click on a show here? |
| [17:34:54] | RyeBrye: | http://www3.tivo.com/tivo-tco/tvlistings.do |
| [17:34:56] | NeoMatrixJR: | sUP: sorry, I'm kinda new at this too. and it looks like most of the guys I get help from have stepped out. you may want to try back later |
| [17:35:26] | sUP: | thanks NeoMatrixJR |
| [17:36:00] | ldiamond: | NeoMatrixJR, alright, I restarted it (/etc/init.d/lirc start), but nothing in lsmod still |
| [17:36:02] | sUP: | neo have u got any source? or u have the same problem? |
| [17:36:08] | ldiamond: | NeoMatrixJR, Want dmesg again? |
| [17:36:41] | NeoMatrixJR: | ldiamond: yes, after you run the two commands I sent you |
| [17:37:13] | RyeBrye: | The URL to the images that TiVo has on their guide pages look like this: http://www3.tivo.com/images/zap2it/programs/1 . . . ce_h1_aa.jpg |
| [17:37:19] | ldiamond: | FATAL: Error inserting lirc_it87 (/lib/modules/2.6.27-9-generic/kernel/ubuntu/lirc/lirc_it87/lirc_it87.ko): No such device or address |
| [17:37:33] | ldiamond: | lirc_dev worked tho |
| [17:38:16] | iamlindoro_: | RyeBrye: thetvdb.org, see banners and fanart |
| [17:38:17] | RyeBrye: | do you think they get their images from zap2it? anyone know if we schedules direct could provide images like that? |
| [17:38:24] | RyeBrye: | iamlindoro_: ok I'll look there |
| [17:38:37] | iamlindoro_: | .com, sorry |
| [17:38:50] | ** RyeBrye loves .orgs who use .com domains :) ** | |
| [17:38:59] | ldiamond: | NeoMatrixJR, btw, it seems like I have LIRC 0.8.3 |
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| [17:40:59] | RyeBrye: | iamlindoro_: the tvdb.com has their own numbering scheme, right? they don't use schedules direct program numbers? |
| [17:41:28] | iamlindoro_: | sorrect |
| [17:41:30] | iamlindoro_: | correct |
| [17:41:56] | ldiamond: | NeoMatrixJR, this seems to be caused by a bug in my linux kernel |
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| [17:42:45] | NeoMatrixJR: | ldiamond: I don't know if this will help you or not, but you may want to upgrade lirc. I'm running 0.8.4a on ubuntu 8.10. I have an it87 (ITE) ir on my mobo. I'm having dificulties with it, but I think it's related to the IR on my tv card. You may need to do some updates |
| [17:43:24] | NeoMatrixJR: | ldiamond: I do know that even though I don't load properly either, mine still finds the chip and just says the port's busy |
| [17:44:56] | NeoMatrixJR: | ldiamond: I'm running kernel 2.6.27–11, you're on -9 so I don't know if it's ur kernel or Lirc version or other problem |
| [17:45:07] | nwahmaet: | I'm running into an issue where LiveTV gets a partial lock (La) with a signal strength 0%, and so I don't see the channel. However, I can record shows on the tuner (and they play back just fine). Any suggestions where to look? 0.21, ubuntu 8.10, hvr-1250 + pvr-250. |
| [17:45:31] | ldiamond: | ill upgrade kernel |
| [17:47:21] | RyeBrye: | Is there a compelling reason why some of the fields in the database that are used as booleans are stored with wildly varying field types and lengths – even within the same table? some are tinyint of length 1 (program: hdtv, closecaptioned), some are tinyint of length 4 (program: previously shown), some are integers of length 10 (recorded: commflagged, int, 10) some are integers of length 11 (recordings, commflagged, int length 10) ? |
| [17:48:11] | iamlindoro_: | yes |
| [17:48:41] | iamlindoro_: | hdtv, closecaptioned, etc. are boolean values, others are enumerated flags in a field |
| [17:49:58] | RyeBrye: | Ahh – gotcha. So their numbers map to enum values. I see now a "2" in one of the commflagged columns |
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| [17:50:31] | iamlindoro_: | what table are you looking at, and what is it you are thinking you are looking at? |
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| [17:51:44] | iamlindoro_: | I suspect you are looking at recorded, whereas if you are interested in the information that feeds the watch recordings screen, you most likely should be looking at recordedprogram |
| [17:52:57] | RyeBrye: | the reason I'm looking over the tables is because I'm in the very early stages of exploring a new mythweb-like project – initially just for the hell of it (and nothing may come of it) – but using java and some other things to work with it (I'd not expect it to become mainstream... One of the first things I'm trying to do is to look over the data model as it exists in the database and start to translate it into a domain model that is abstracted a w |
| [17:54:11] | iamlindoro_: | What is it you hope to do that mythweb proper can't be made to do? |
| [17:55:28] | RyeBrye: | Nothing really, mostly just playing around with it for the hell of it. Xris actually got my started thinking about this last night when he was mentioned two things last night – first that there were things in mythweb that he felt constrainted by, and second that he took his current job so he could learn java |
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| [17:56:57] | RyeBrye: | so I figured I might start poking around and see if I could get a feel for how hard it would be to get something interacting with the database and the backend and then start building up some view layer stuff later – mostly just as an experiment |
| [17:56:59] | iamlindoro_: | Not to dissuade you, but why not see if you can collaborate with xris and kormoc to improve the existing interface? I know they're not averse to reimplementing it at some point, getting some help wouldn't be a bad thing |
| [17:57:26] | iamlindoro_: | That way the effort is guaranteed not to go to waste |
| [17:58:25] | RyeBrye: | The great netsplit of 2009 occured right after we started talking last night about it and he didn't come back afterwards |
| [17:58:35] | RyeBrye: | I'll ask him about it tonight when he comes back on |
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| [17:59:47] | ** kormoc raises an eyebrow ** | |
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| [17:59:53] | RyeBrye: | ah – hi kormoc |
| [18:00:08] | kormoc: | Why would you write views when the models aren't there yet? :P |
| [18:00:19] | xris: | I did.. but the conversation had died so I went to go do other things.. like sleep. :) |
| [18:00:26] | RyeBrye: | Ah, gotcha :) |
| [18:00:35] | xris: | and poor kormoc doesn't have the internets at his new house yet. |
| [18:00:50] | kormoc: | Feb 13th! 20/5. Worth the wait :) |
| [18:01:01] | xris: | nice |
| [18:01:06] | xris: | I think I'm getting 15/5 from comcast now |
| [18:01:25] | RyeBrye: | xris: in any case, what are some of the things you and kormoc are wanting to do that mythweb isn't doing currently? |
| [18:01:28] | kormoc: | $80 + tax per month for 20/5, 250 SD channels, 100 HD channels, I'm happy |
| [18:01:45] | xris: | RyeBrye: integrated video/music playback (flash) is big on my want list. |
| [18:01:58] | xris: | kormoc: sweet. wish I could get that at my place. |
| [18:02:12] | kormoc: | RyeBrye, Well, one thing I'm in the middle of is objectifying (Modeling) the code and adding custom caching layers (static, mysql, memcached, etc) |
| [18:02:44] | kormoc: | then the goal is to finish up the ipod interface (view) and then work on a webby 2.0 view |
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| [18:04:14] | gbee: | been thinking that I might look at creating a mythweb skin to match terra, probably not until after 0.22 though, can't see myself having much time before then |
| [18:06:03] | RyeBrye: | kormoc: do you have any of your domain modeling out somewhere? |
| [18:06:33] | xris: | gbee: I still want to re-re-redo the css stuff for mythweb. |
| [18:06:50] | xris: | so it's more easily skinned, with proper cascading if things aren't defined properly |
| [18:07:03] | xris: | but I doubt I'll have time for that. |
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| [18:07:28] | xris: | would be nice if perc data would finally start moving forward and make me a ton of money.. then I could just do mythtv-related dev work all day. :) |
| [18:08:21] | kormoc: | RyeBrye, it's all local right now on my box which isn't hooked to the web, but it's a fairly large patch, a few thousand lines modified at last count and still not really near ready |
| [18:09:56] | RyeBrye: | for the most part – does mythweb just do reads from the database and then use mythproto or the xml method to tell the backend when it wants changes made to do things like schedule recordings or such? |
| [18:10:18] | RyeBrye: | or does mythweb write to tables (other than the mythweb_sessions table)? |
| [18:11:53] | kormoc: | Mythweb reads and writes to almost every table in the DB right now |
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| [18:12:06] | RyeBrye: | Oh, ok |
| [18:12:11] | kormoc: | with a smattering of mythproto and mythxml right now |
| [18:12:20] | kormoc: | we're attempting to limit that down a bit more as well |
| [18:12:33] | kormoc: | move over to the xml interface as much as we can, but it's slow going |
| [18:13:35] | RyeBrye: | I think a big part of what I want to do is build a decent java piece that can communicate effectively with the backend so that any interested java developers (well... for starters... me) could easily write things that work with myth – and doing something that was a web interface would be an easy thing to layer on top of that if I were to get it built |
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| [18:14:06] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [18:14:32] | kormoc: | so you want to make mythweb a java web service? |
| [18:14:33] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [18:14:49] | RyeBrye: | Not necessarily :) |
| [18:14:53] | xris: | RyeBrye: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/mythtv/bindings |
| [18:15:02] | xris: | there's already a place for it... |
| [18:15:05] | kormoc: | Wow... talk about killing the end user. They have enough issues with php |
| [18:15:07] | RyeBrye: | cool |
| [18:15:21] | sphery: | RyeBrye: What would you do in Java for Myth? Java would be in its own universe (like Perl/Python scripts), so it wouldn't affect mythfrontend/mythbackend/etc. except through MythProto/MythXML commands, so aren't you just talking about making Java bindings (like the Perl/Python bindings)? |
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| [18:15:44] | xris: | sphery: beat you to it. :) |
| [18:15:46] | RyeBrye: | sphery: yes, the first step would be bindings I think :) |
| [18:15:46] | sphery: | guess so... |
| [18:15:56] | sphery: | xris: yeah, short and sweet wins again! |
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| [18:17:21] | sphery: | sounds like catching up on my mythtv mailing lists is going to be interesting today (after the VDPAU for -fixes ticket :) |
| [18:17:53] | ** kormoc sighs ** | |
| [18:18:00] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: let me save you time and summarize: YOU'RE SUCH A JERK I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU CLOSED THAT TICKET FORK FORK FORK! |
| [18:18:14] | ** kormoc waves to the users ** | |
| [18:18:23] | ** Scopeuk waves back ** | |
| [18:18:34] | ** Scopeuk clicks and feels liek a muppet ** | |
| [18:18:44] | xris: | lol |
| [18:19:18] | ** xris provides a completely unrelated link for those who want other reading material.. shiny food photos: http://tiger-chow.blogspot.com/ ** | |
| [18:19:25] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: So how are you liking the armchair quarterbacks giving advice on your patches? |
| [18:20:04] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: The one about mytharchive behavior still confuses me-- kkuphal thinks he means one thing, but I think he means it about mytharchive, since he opened a ticket on mytharchive saying almost the same exact thing |
| [18:21:07] | RyeBrye: | kormoc / sphery is there a json interface in place yet? |
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| [18:21:08] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: I feel semi-rude ignoring some questions as I'm concerned about driving up SNR (ie "what theme is that?" and "where did you hear that, IRC?") |
| [18:21:28] | kormoc: | RyeBrye, to certain things, yes, to most, no |
| [18:22:18] | sphery: | yeah, generally they're just comments from someone who doesn't understand the patch you're making but has strong feelings about something or another (usually due to problems they've had elsewhere). He may have thought that you could fix MythArchive with your patch (or that you would do it also), but don't worry too much about it. |
| [18:22:23] | xris: | RyeBrye: that's part of what I was talking about last night.. after 0.22 is released, there are several of us who would like to reexamine/rewrite the API layer for mythbackend.. to allow for more generic queries/responses in mythproto/mythxml/mythjson, whatever |
| [18:22:45] | RyeBrye: | That would definitely be good to have |
| [18:23:02] | sphery: | RyeBrye: note that the JSON interface is in MythWeb (there's none in mythbackend or its http server) |
| [18:23:12] | kormoc: | in anycase, once mythweb's models are done, it'll be a bit easier to at least write a generic JSON handler for them all |
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| [18:23:53] | kormoc: | mythxml removes any need for mythjson on the backend |
| [18:24:15] | RyeBrye: | One reason I ask is because one of the first view-level things I was going to work on would be an RIA-style interface using GWT to build the interface up. GWT makes generating stuff when you have java on the backend almost sickening how easy it is – but you can also use JSON and make it work (here's an article one guy wrote about it: http://angel.hurtado.googlepages.com/tutorialgwt2 ) |
| [18:24:20] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: I have no idea how many people who heard that I wrote a patch to verify that the time zone identifier was the same on clients as on the master backend told me that all I needed to do was check UTC offset. |
| [18:25:15] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: the funniest part is that was the first patch I wrote, then someone told me a way I could do one part (that I said wouldn't work in Windows) and while explaining why that wouldn't work, kormoc joined the discussion and we figured out that knowing the offset isn't enough. |
| [18:25:49] | RyeBrye: | if you wonder why I would want to use GWT to build a frontend for mythweb – take a peak at a site like this one: http://www.gwt-ext.com/demo that shows the gwt-ext components and then click on the "view source" buttons... it makes writing really nice web interfaces a lot easier than just doing it all in javascript hell |
| [18:26:02] | sphery: | the fun part is always explaining the same thing over and over 10 times to all the people who provide advice about how to do it without thinking through the code/looking at the patch/etc |
| [18:26:12] | xris: | RyeBrye: there are a lot of toolkits like that available. |
| [18:26:18] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: heh... Well I generally trust the input I get in #mythtv above ticket commentary and while I was fairly certain about Nick's comment being incorrect, I didn't know for sure until jpabq confirmed it for me |
| [18:26:37] | xris: | but we can't just force javascript on people. there are still a very loud minority of mythtv users who like to be able to access things in lynx, etc. |
| [18:26:40] | kormoc: | RyeBrye, document.getElementById('loading-msg').innerHTML = 'Loading UI Components...' vs $('loading-msg').innerHTML = 'Loading UI Components...' |
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| [18:27:56] | kormoc: | RyeBrye, it's using extjs, it's nothing to do with GWT's js |
| [18:28:00] | RyeBrye: | I'm not saying the ext-js integration is the best part about GWT. The best part about GWT is that you write your code in java and it compiles down to javascript |
| [18:28:06] | RyeBrye: | kormoc: right – that's just one example |
| [18:28:42] | kormoc: | meh, I couldn't deal with that crap, but then I'm way too much a stickler for hand optimization |
| [18:29:13] | RyeBrye: | kormoc: you'd be amazed at how much crazy optimized the GWT stuff gets when it gets compiled down in "optimize" mode |
| [18:29:46] | RyeBrye: | kormoc: you can compile it in "Debug" mode when you are testing so it makes it fairly easy to step through and debug – but for production when you kick it into "optimize" mode it's ridiculously optimized |
| [18:29:54] | kormoc: | RyeBrye, Mythweb's table sorter is still the current fastest DOM level dynamic sorter on the planet :) |
| [18:30:07] | sphery: | kormoc / xris : I find that a lot of times I go into MythWeb at, say, 8:35 and it shows me the current listings starting at 8:30 (through 11:30), but I want to see from 8–11. To do so (since the time drop down seems to submit onchange), I have to change the time or day to a different one, then go back to 8:00. Would you be averse to a patch which adds some Go type button (or some change to allow JS to change it if the time in ... |
| [18:30:13] | sphery: | ... the dropdown isn't what's displayed)? If so, suggestions on approach? |
| [18:30:25] | kormoc: | RyeBrye, or you can just use firebug and have the debugger in the browser itself attached to a real DOM |
| [18:31:09] | xris: | sphery: huh? can't just pick 8:00 from the menu? |
| [18:31:10] | RyeBrye: | kormoc: GWT in debug mode would still be executed in firefox and still debugged with firebug – I'm just saying that the code that it spits out is more readable |
| [18:31:22] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [18:31:24] | RyeBrye: | (than when you tell it to run in optimized mode) |
| [18:31:36] | sphery: | xris: not if 8:00 is currently shown in the dropdown and it's actually showing some time slightly later than 8:00 |
| [18:32:40] | kormoc: | RyeBrye, I'm just saying I won't find it 'crazy optimized' if it can't beat my hand optimizations |
| [18:32:59] | sphery: | xris: like if I go in right now, the drop down shows 1:00, but the listings start at 1:30. To get to 1:00, I have to change to something else, then back to 1:00 |
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| [18:33:14] | sphery: | (drop down being the "Jump To:" drop down |
| [18:33:24] | kormoc: | sphery, the arrows move it in full pages? |
| [18:33:44] | RyeBrye: | kormoc: well, if you really wanted to optimize certain pieces of it by hand it does allow you to call other javascript from the stuff you don't feel like optimizing by hand and you can be like Hannah Montanna and have the best of both worlds |
| [18:34:00] | sphery: | right, but was wanting to move it by the 30-minutes it's off from a "top-of-the-hour" |
| [18:34:11] | kormoc: | RyeBrye, that's only if you consider Java a best of anything, which I personally don't :P |
| [18:34:14] | RyeBrye: | you just write the method and throw the keyword "native" on it and then put in your normal javascript |
| [18:35:36] | RyeBrye: | kormoc: the java part of it isn't really the part that is the nice part. the strongly typed language with support for easy unit testing and compile-time checking is the nice part. |
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| [18:35:41] | jpabq: | WD makes their new 2TB drive official: http://wdc.com/en/company/releases/PressRelea . . . 872D0E6C335} |
| [18:35:50] | mag0o: | hehe, does hannah montanna rank up there on your most recorded show list too, RyeBrye ? |
| [18:35:52] | xris: | sphery: that's more a bug about the menu, then. |
| [18:35:59] | sUP: | someone can help me? |
| [18:36:00] | RyeBrye: | mag0o: :) |
| [18:36:06] | sUP: | i can get no source |
| [18:36:08] | xris: | sUP: only if you tell us what's wrong |
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| [18:36:43] | sphery: | xris: ok, I'll look at it (and google some JS events :) to see if I can find a fix for it (that allows me to select what's selected). Thanks. |
| [18:37:41] | xris: | sphery: I was thinking more that the "what's selected" is incorrect. if the list starts at 8:30, the menu should also show 8:390 |
| [18:38:36] | sUP: | i dont know how i get source from my tv card |
| [18:38:37] | dustybin: | What is a good motherboard make for a solid / stable home server / mythbackend box? |
| [18:38:44] | sUP: | i use a dvd to get source for try |
| [18:38:53] | sUP: | buy i dont know what i need to configure |
| [18:39:00] | sphery: | sUP: are you saying you want the MythTV source code, but don't know where to find it? If so, make sure you're really ready to compile yourself (and deal with the compile issues that occur)--otherwise, you're /much/ better off using a package for Ubuntu or Fedora/CentOS or whatever or even MythBuntu/MythDora. But, the source code is available from http://svn.mythtv.com/ |
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| [18:39:21] | sUP: | no no |
| [18:39:21] | sphery: | sUP: what DVD? MythBuntu or MythDora LiveCD? |
| [18:39:29] | sUP: | u dont got me |
| [18:39:32] | sUP: | i have mythdora |
| [18:39:35] | sUP: | installed on my PC |
| [18:39:54] | sUP: | buy i want to create channel |
| [18:39:59] | mag0o: | connecting your tuners to a source |
| [18:40:08] | sUP: | well i connected my dvd player |
| [18:40:13] | sUP: | to the tv card |
| [18:40:15] | sphery: | xris: yeah, it doesn't show 8:30 because the drop down only contains 24 entries for the hours of the day. |
| [18:40:42] | kormoc: | RyeBrye, we have easy unit-testing in php as well, no-one cares enough to write them tis all |
| [18:41:01] | RyeBrye: | unit testing of the PHP – but of the client side javascript? |
| [18:41:02] | kormoc: | RyeBrye, softly typed languages are fine if you use it correctly, so I don't really consider that a 'win' for java |
| [18:41:27] | kormoc: | RyeBrye, sure, they exist, and full client side testing for scripted functionality exists as well |
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| [18:42:02] | kormoc: | we actually have fully scripted javascript based functionality tests for certain things I'm doing at my job that are fully dom aware |
| [18:42:10] | xris: | sphery: would be easy enough to inject a single half-hour box for the current time block if it doesn't fall on the hour. |
| [18:43:12] | kormoc: | RyeBrye, in short, all these languages are turning complete and can do anything |
| [18:43:24] | laga: | turing* |
| [18:43:30] | sphery: | sUP: Though that's possible using MythTV to record from something like a VCR is the wrong way to go about it--there are much better programs for that. And, when the data is digital to begin with (a DVD), you'd be far better off just reading the data directly rather than going from digital to analog then back to digital again (not to mention the loss suffered from using NTSC/PAL). But, here are instructions for how to do it: ... |
| [18:43:36] | sphery: | ... http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/232857#232857 |
| [18:43:42] | ** kormoc tips his hat to laga ** | |
| [18:44:50] | sphery: | sUP: you're much better off testing MythTV with a TV source (DVB-T, DVB-C, DVB-S, analog (NTSC or PAL), ATSC, ... depending on where you are in the world) /and/ a source of good listings data (either Schedules Direct if you're in the US or, if not, either XMLTV or EIT). |
| [18:45:02] | sphery: | after all, it is Myth/TV/ |
| [18:45:03] | laga: | kormoc: ;) |
| [18:45:36] | sphery: | xris: OK, I'll take that approach for it. See if I can cook up a patch quickly later today. |
| [18:45:41] | CCFL_Man: | i'm watching c-span 3 |
| [18:45:56] | sphery: | xris: and thanks for the direction. :) |
| [18:46:28] | CCFL_Man: | they are talking about a new proposed telecom policy |
| [18:46:31] | xris: | sphery: np |
| [18:46:41] | xris: | that's about all I do these days on mythweb.. sounding board for kormoc. |
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| [18:47:57] | sphery: | xris: that's what happens when they promote you to MythTV management. :) |
| [18:48:22] | laga: | how's your management belly? |
| [18:49:00] | xris: | laga: growing since I discovered belgian beer... |
| [18:49:23] | xris: | sphery: I didn't get promoted, though.. just took on too many other things. like SD. |
| [18:50:31] | mag0o: | good job with all you do, btw |
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| [18:53:19] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: it's amazing how many of the MythTV devs just don't get FOSS... We knew kormoc doesn't get it ;), and now on the lists I just found out that jan neg doesn't (at least that's what he was told). |
| [18:54:39] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Just today I learned that the "open" in open source means anyone should get to do whatever they want with it and any and all patches should be tracked with no regard to whether they have the slightest chance of being committed |
| [18:55:14] | iamlindoro_: | (That's a reference to the quote "don't forget what the 'open' in open source means...") |
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| [18:56:19] | laga: | yeah |
| [18:56:22] | laga: | i loved that line |
| [18:57:03] | sphery: | Help! Help! I'm being repressed! |
| [18:57:51] | gbee: | open means that everyones code must be committed and made part of the whole, just like a wiki |
| [18:58:30] | ** sphery shudders at the thought ** | |
| [18:58:46] | laga: | including inline python |
| [18:58:51] | sphery: | I've submitted code that I'm glad wasn't committed. |
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| [18:59:11] | iamlindoro_: | Hello and thank you for using frankenTV... if you'll state your question unclearly, and then specify which answer you'd like to hear, I'd be happy to assist you |
| [18:59:14] | sphery: | laga: well, kormoc is rewriting MythWeb in Python... |
| [18:59:56] | gbee: | open also means that we must not ever remove functionality, no matter how few people it benefits and how much work it is to maintain |
| [19:00:06] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: and did you notice that VDPAU is /not/ alpha quality because it's in their stable drivers? |
| [19:00:17] | iamlindoro_: | Yes. I'm learning so much today!! |
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| [19:01:12] | janneg: | my favourite was that vdpau is open source since the header is available and everyone is free to implement it |
| [19:01:44] | laga: | i like how he invoked godwin's law |
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| [19:03:19] | sphery: | janneg: what? there's more to VDPAU than just a header file? ;) |
| [19:03:54] | sphery: | guess I'll delete that copy of the header I made with a global search and replace of nvidia->ati |
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| [19:09:37] | justinh: | oo thankyou channel five. just got an idea for pbb :) |
| [19:14:06] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: from "VDPAU : Minimum hardware required," "Since there is a patch for 0.21-fixes...I might jump and try VDPAU." And so it begins. |
| [19:14:21] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Heh, yeah, I saw that and groaned to myself |
| [19:16:20] | sphery: | I still don't get people's going out and buying hardware for a feature whose real requirements aren't known (since the support for the feature isn't complete). Oh, and I've never understood the "minimum requirements" approach at all. |
| [19:16:51] | iamlindoro_: | + SHE BURN YOUR HARDWARE GOOD |
| [19:17:08] | fpsdavid: | hi, i just switched out a ATI HD3650 from a nvidia 6600 and now i'm having trouble getting mythtv to go back to 1920x1080. the highest it'll let me pick is 1680x1050 and then 1920x1200 |
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| [19:17:57] | justinh: | erm.. what 'great product' is the guy thanking people for |
| [19:18:01] | justinh: | product?! |
| [19:18:24] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: There's more than a hint of him accepting praise for what amounts to a cut and paste |
| [19:18:43] | iamlindoro_: | although admittedly a complex and thought-requiring one |
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| [19:19:46] | AngryElf: | if I wanted to remove certain options from the main menus can I do that easily? |
| [19:20:05] | AngryElf: | like I only want Watch TV and Watch Recordings on the TV menu |
| [19:20:27] | justinh: | AngryElf: you know fine well you can |
| [19:20:30] | iamlindoro_: | edit the menu theme |
| [19:20:33] | justinh: | edit mainmenu.xml et al |
| [19:20:44] | justinh: | or put your own file in ~/.mythtv/ |
| [19:20:55] | AngryElf: | I do? |
| [19:21:11] | justinh: | oh come on. how long have you been loitering in here? :) |
| [19:21:21] | AngryElf: | I don't read stuff :) |
| [19:21:32] | justinh: | anyway you got your answers :) |
| [19:21:39] | AngryElf: | thanx |
| [19:21:52] | iamlindoro_: | I think "pound of flesh" is the term you're looking for |
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| [19:24:14] | justinh: | oh ffs. "do you want the user community to fork mythtv?". Hahaha. and who in the world is gonna maintain a fork? the many, many users who submit patches every day? |
| [19:25:06] | mag0o: | hehe |
| [19:25:15] | laga: | that thread is epic |
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| [19:26:18] | iamlindoro_: | It's moments away from "How do you expect to expand mythTV to take over the world/etc?" |
| [19:27:31] | justinh: | imagine what'd happen if the lunatics managed to take over the asylum though. eesh |
| [19:30:16] | kormoc: | iamlindoro_, I die a little more inside with each post on that thread! |
| [19:30:40] | kormoc: | and I'd like to say, fork, please fork, and take the annoying users with ya, and enjoy your life! |
| [19:32:48] | justinh: | kormoc: and I find myself agreeing with you |
| [19:32:54] | AngryElf: | it doesn't like it so much if I steal the "Video List" button from the video menu and stick that on the main menu :( |
| [19:33:11] | justinh: | AngryElf: you must've got something wrong, then |
| [19:33:21] | sphery: | justinh: a fork of myth is only a couple hundred lines of perl, so it can't be that tough to maintain |
| [19:33:34] | AngryElf: | my copy and paste skills have been brought into question now? |
| [19:33:40] | laga: | sphery: how long are these lines? |
| [19:33:59] | justinh: | AngryElf: maybe. let me take a look |
| [19:34:28] | kormoc: | laga, we don't know, the guy never open sourced it |
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| [19:34:33] | justinh: | AngryElf: at the whole xml file.. pastebin :) |
| [19:35:24] | kormoc: | oh gawd |
| [19:35:31] | kormoc: | "It was never about integrating VDPAU into 0.21-fixes officially (at least not yet)." |
| [19:35:48] | justinh: | d'oh |
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| [19:36:14] | sphery: | I so want to post a reply that says, simply, "*Bug* tracking database." |
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| [19:36:31] | sphery: | due to all the complaining about the ticket being closed |
| [19:36:35] | justinh: | sphery: are you just another freedom hater? :P |
| [19:36:37] | AngryElf: | justinh: the 3rd button is a copy/paste from the TV menu and doesn't do anything |
| [19:36:49] | AngryElf: | er, the Video menu |
| [19:36:52] | AngryElf: | it works fine from there |
| [19:36:53] | justinh: | AngryElf: pastebin the file |
| [19:36:57] | AngryElf: | http://pastie.org/372410 |
| [19:38:22] | justinh: | AngryElf: looks like you're missing a <depends> |
| [19:39:15] | AngryElf: | added, still broke |
| [19:39:23] | AngryElf: | wouldn't that just prevent it form being shown if mythvideo were not installed? |
| [19:39:39] | justinh: | maybe the <action> is wrong then |
| [19:39:40] | AngryElf: | I bet it's the action, since "LISTING" is a plugin command |
| [19:39:53] | justinh: | lemme have a look here |
| [19:40:44] | sphery: | laga: don't know the length of those lines... Turns out it's 1731, though. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/187428#187428 |
| [19:43:07] | laga: | sweet |
| [19:43:29] | justinh: | AngryElf: what did you edit the file in? |
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| [19:45:11] | kormoc: | sphery, I wonder if that guy knows how much of a... legend he is |
| [19:45:57] | AngryElf: | vim |
| [19:46:49] | iamlindoro_: | kormoc: and then, after the line you quoted, someone whines "I'm the one who encouraged Jean-Yves to create a ticket. Neither he nor I intended, or expected, his patch to ever be added to 0.21-fixes; both my message, and his abundant disclaimers both on the ticket and here, make that clear." |
| [19:47:06] | iamlindoro_: | when *clearly* that was his hope |
| [19:47:15] | kormoc: | Yeah... ugh... |
| [19:47:56] | iamlindoro_: | It's amazing just how disingenuous some people can be to avoid seeming wrong |
| [19:48:08] | iamlindoro_: | otherwise I was very inclined to quote that bit for him |
| [19:48:24] | sphery: | and look at the already-growing list of questions about how to use it/how to compile it/how to enable it on that -users thread about it. I'm /very/ glad those aren't going into my tickets folder. |
| [19:49:38] | kormoc: | the Ubuntu users got ahold of it... oh noes... |
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| [19:51:14] | justinh: | AngryElf: working on it.. brb |
| [19:51:28] | AngryElf: | justinh: thanx |
| [19:51:41] | iamlindoro_: | kormoc: His own fault, he made them a repository |
| [19:52:28] | sphery: | I'm using MythTV 0.18 (as 0.18-fixes is just too unstable for me). Why hasn't someone already backported VDPAU (and Storage Groups and HD-PVR) to 0.18 fixes? You all know nothing about FOSS! |
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| [19:52:55] | sphery: | (that wasn't a real one--though I do know of one user that I'm pretty sure is still using 0.18 because he couldn't figure out how to get anything else working :) |
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| [19:53:32] | sphery: | The really sad thing is that some poor Linux MCE user is going to have to backport the backport to 0.20 to use VDPAU... |
| [19:53:54] | kormoc: | We recently had (with in a month or two) some guy in here who was updating from 0.18 to 0.21, that was a blast from the past |
| [19:54:00] | AndyCap: | which reminds me I should upgrade. :-P |
| [19:54:02] | sphery: | Nice. |
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| [19:54:23] | sphery: | AndyCap: I don't know. I've heard some really scary things about 0.19 and above. Give it some time to settle. |
| [19:54:35] | janneg: | sphery: mythcommflag --rebuild should work fine in trunk |
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| [19:55:47] | sphery: | janneg: I thought he was using -fixes, but I didn't know that anyone had fixed mythcommflag's seektable rebuilding code for MPEG-2. |
| [19:56:23] | AndyCap: | sphery: Yeah, I want the diagenic mythtv. :-P |
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| [19:56:52] | ** sphery goes to find a dictionary ** | |
| [19:57:24] | sphery: | probably not the Norwegian pharmaceutical company |
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| [19:57:39] | AndyCap: | sphery: I thought you said dictionary, not google. :-P |
| [19:57:40] | justinh: | AngryElf: <action>JUMP Video Listings</action> |
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| [19:57:52] | AndyCap: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diagenesis |
| [19:58:00] | justinh: | AngryElf: don't ask me why, it just is :) |
| [19:58:09] | sphery: | AndyCap: yeah, I thought better of it... The dictionary is way over on the book shelf. |
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| [19:58:40] | janneg: | sphery: I've fixed it |
| [19:58:53] | sphery: | janneg: cool... That will be very nice when 0.22 is out. |
| [19:59:29] | justinh: | wth is up with my internets tonight? |
| [20:00:02] | AndyCap: | it's getting packeted? |
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| [20:05:11] | xal2: | Hi |
| [20:05:30] | yalu: | hi. another Q. does mythbackend set the acpi wakeup time if you shut it down with an init script (ie send it a kill signal)? |
| [20:05:43] | xal2: | I am having trouble scanning for clear-QAM ATSC channels, but I did so successfully on a previous mythtv install. Where does mythtv store channel data so I can copy it over? |
| [20:06:05] | AngryElf: | justinh: thanx man :) |
| [20:06:21] | justinh: | xal2: channel table, dtv_multiplex table |
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| [20:06:48] | justinh: | AngryElf: see your mythweb key bindings page for more JUMP points :) |
| [20:06:56] | Dibblah: | xal2: WTH go to #mythtv? ;) |
| [20:07:05] | driedsponge: | hello everybody |
| [20:07:21] | justinh: | Dibblah: didn't get an answer in 2 milliseconds |
| [20:07:29] | xal2: | thanks, i'll check that out |
| [20:07:32] | xris: | Dibblah: don't tell people to do that for support help |
| [20:07:45] | Dibblah: | WTH = Why The Heck... |
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| [20:08:03] | xal2: | Oh, first channel I entered. I said hi, and then nothing else because I read the topic. |
| [20:08:03] | xris: | Dibblah: no.. WTH == What The Hell |
| [20:08:07] | xal2: | and then I came here. |
| [20:08:13] | xris: | xal2: you want the channel table.. and possibly a few other associated ones. |
| [20:08:14] | Dibblah: | Heh :) |
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| [20:08:36] | justinh: | xal2: look at the ACPI wakeup section in the wiki |
| [20:08:42] | justinh: | should tell you all you need to know |
| [20:08:51] | xris: | Dibblah: either way, conversation that isn't directly about the code is usually met with a "go to #mythtv-users".. unless it's devs BSing, but we try to keep that conversation here, too |
| [20:09:17] | ** xris goes to find some lunch. ** | |
| [20:09:19] | Dibblah: | xris: I was commenting on him joining the channel first, |
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| [20:09:29] | Dibblah: | not suggesting that he go there and ask. |
| [20:09:40] | Dibblah: | Or that was my obviously failed intent :( |
| [20:10:08] | driedsponge: | I had a question and i can't seem to find a solid answer for it. |
| [20:10:34] | justinh: | driedsponge: so just ask the question already |
| [20:10:49] | driedsponge: | is there any way to get uPnP streaming in mythfrontend? |
| [20:10:56] | Dibblah: | No. |
| [20:10:58] | iamlindoro_: | no, Myth is not a uPnp client |
| [20:11:02] | justinh: | driedsponge: not yet |
| [20:11:12] | justinh: | maybe one day |
| [20:11:27] | Dibblah: | Although the uPNP client bits are mostly in the code, apart from the UI. |
| [20:11:34] | driedsponge: | That's pretty much the answer i figured i'd get. Just wanted to try. |
| [20:12:12] | driedsponge: | I was looking to get PlayOn streaming on my network and hoped i could get mythtv frontend to read it. |
| [20:12:31] | justinh: | ahhh hope |
| [20:12:35] | justinh: | I remember having that |
| [20:13:51] | ** driedsponge wishes he knew how to program this stuff himself. ** | |
| [20:14:12] | justinh: | so do I. wish you knew |
| [20:14:15] | justinh: | :P |
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| [20:18:59] | driedsponge: | Well, thanks for the help. At least now i can stop reading countless forum posts that give only vague possibilities. |
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| [20:22:24] | sphery: | think the -fixes VDPAU patch has the new fixes that were just checked into trunk today? |
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| [20:23:54] | iamlindoro_: | douuuuubtfuuuuuul |
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| [20:28:12] | sphery: | #6177 proves that mentioning the word Xinerama to a user is more trouble than it's worth. From now on, I'll just tell them that there's a setting, "Monitor Aspect Ratio," that will only appear in mythfrontend's Appearance settings under "Screen settings" if they need to use it; so if it's there, they must set it properly. |
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| [20:32:04] | justinh: | those darn nazis. we'll fork myth & release it into the wild. roam free my pretty one! |
| [20:32:31] | iamlindoro_: | when exposed to strange bacteria, myth will wither and die |
| [20:32:44] | iamlindoro_: | only when ensconced in the battle armor of a -fixes branch can it thrive! |
| [20:32:46] | justinh: | oh wait. you mean it won't gain new features & bug fixes all by itself? OHNOES what have we done? |
| [20:33:23] | justinh: | hey, just realised something nobody has commented on... |
| [20:33:28] | justinh: | the users are revolting :P |
| [20:33:36] | iamlindoro_: | I've always called them revolting |
| [20:33:38] | iamlindoro_: | ;) |
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| [20:47:19] | sphery: | gbee: Commenting in here because it's not really important... But I'd want the file dialog to allow PgUp/Down, and it might be nice if the user could specify a filter of their own (possibly even show/hide hidden files/dirs). However, since all of those could be added later without much effort, feel free to ignore. |
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| [20:48:34] | sphery: | gbee: as for the filter, something like being able to type in "myth" with the file list changing to show files that start with that and that meet the filter requirements specified by the dialog's creator |
| [20:50:16] | basskozz: | I need help picking a PCI GPU (w/ VDPAU support). [yes I relize VDPAU is still in beta, but I'd rather buy a card that supports it now, so when it is out of beta I'll be ready]. I've narrowed it down to these: http://tinyurl.com/pcigpuvdpau |
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| [20:50:48] | basskozz: | p.s. System Specs: 2.4GHz P4, 1.5GB ram, 500GB IDE HD, 220Watt PSU |
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| [20:51:51] | basskozz: | I know some of the cards require 300watts or more PSU, but I plan on disconnecting the computers floppy+CD drive to free up some power, and I read some reviews that say they have gotten these cards to work on 250W PSU |
| [20:54:55] | yalu: | is it possible to add jumppoints yourself? I would like a jumppoint to the screen asking you if you realy want to logout. |
| [20:55:23] | iamlindoro_: | The code is open, you can add boobs on every screen if you like :) |
| [20:55:46] | yalu: | rofl |
| [20:56:19] | yalu: | you answer, it's not spitting up some values out of an xml file and dumping them in the database, they need to be programmed |
| [20:56:25] | justinh: | vdpau is more alpha than beta apparently |
| [20:56:26] | basskozz: | I smell a new Myth Distro coming, MythBoobs |
| [20:56:41] | yalu: | the ultimate porn collection theme |
| [20:56:44] | iamlindoro_: | yalu: correct |
| [20:56:51] | justinh: | hmmm theta miffyteevees |
| [20:56:53] | directhex: | iamlindoro_, mythboobs sounds inspired to me |
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| [20:57:05] | justinh: | only boobs? |
| [20:57:11] | justinh: | mythchuff-wide more like |
| [20:57:29] | Dubstar_04: | could someone answer a stupid question with a proper answer? |
| [20:57:43] | justinh: | Dubstar_04: dunno. this is #mythtv-users |
| [20:57:50] | Dubstar_04: | ah |
| [20:58:06] | Dubstar_04: | well i will have a go |
| [20:58:24] | GreyFoxx: | A MythBoobs theme would only be really funn if there were audio sounds for certain keystrokes and actions |
| [20:58:58] | Dubstar_04: | I am in a plugin and i want to open a new screen, like mytharchive has its next button and moves to a new screen |
| [20:59:03] | justinh: | <sound><action="left"><filename>oooh.wav</filenam e></action></sound> |
| [20:59:15] | GreyFoxx: | Can at startup it could kick off a "I be stroking" mp3 |
| [20:59:39] | GreyFoxx: | God I loved that song |
| [21:00:09] | justinh: | Dubstar_04: there are a few ways you can do that. have each screen be a .cpp with its own xml file (yuk), for one |
| [21:00:32] | basskozz: | Are there any MythTV support forums? or just the mailing list? |
| [21:00:35] | Dubstar_04: | * can't believe he asked a question when everyone is talking about boobs |
| [21:00:55] | justinh: | basskozz: forums are er.. crap |
| [21:01:14] | justinh: | mythbuntu have forums, and there's a very unofficial forum at mythtvtalk.com/forum |
| [21:01:32] | justinh: | mythdora have a forum too IIRC, as does knoppmyth |
| [21:01:54] | justinh: | and FWIW the mailing lists aren't worth a light either |
| [21:01:59] | justinh: | too much noise |
| [21:03:13] | basskozz: | Thanks justinh |
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| [21:04:38] | justinh: | Dubstar_04: what's that plugin of yours doing anyway? I'm only guessing it's 3rd party because of your previous refusal to talk about it. surely not BT related... |
| [21:06:05] | justinh: | grrr. bloody VM DNS playing up again |
| [21:06:33] | sphery: | justinh: I'm having extremely slow name resolution (on the Internet, not locally) today... Are you sure it's you? |
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| [21:06:51] | sphery: | I mean are you sure it's your VM and not just the root servers? |
| [21:06:57] | justinh: | it's usually my ISP :) |
| [21:07:07] | justinh: | VM == Virgin Media |
| [21:07:21] | justinh: | might well be the root servers.. just usual to blame VM :) |
| [21:07:41] | justinh: | wouldn't care but I'm using dnsmasq |
| [21:08:00] | justinh: | wow. getting 42% packet loss to google.com |
| [21:08:14] | sphery: | ah, I was thinking virtual machine. I think it's my ISP, too (they completely disabled name resolution--any request to port 53 on any host--for about 2–3 hours last week) |
| [21:08:32] | sphery: | though mine (in FL, USA) is obviously a different ISP from yours |
| [21:08:52] | sphery: | yeah, I'm having similar issues. |
| [21:09:11] | clever: | im not getting any dns buggering from my isp |
| [21:09:22] | clever: | im going directly to the root dns servers from my dns cache |
| [21:09:50] | yunosh: | is there some place to review the changelogs of mythbuntu's weekly builds *before* installing them? |
| [21:10:22] | iamlindoro_: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/log/branches/release-0-21-fixes |
| [21:10:47] | yunosh: | mythbuntu, not mythtv |
| [21:10:53] | justinh: | sphery: tracepath seems to indicate the holdup is my ISP |
| [21:10:55] | ** iamlindoro_ blinks ** | |
| [21:11:08] | justinh: | the UBR |
| [21:11:22] | justinh: | yunosh: their weekly build IS 0.21-fixes |
| [21:11:23] | iamlindoro_: | *sigh*, I'm just not that interested in setting that straight |
| [21:11:35] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: Brad D replying to the request in the VDPAU thread for backporting HD-PVR support, too: "That's already been done. (Notice there's no ticket for it.) Search the list to find the code." |
| [21:11:45] | sphery: | Love that "Notice there's no ticket" part! |
| [21:11:51] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Yeah |
| [21:12:05] | yunosh: | justinh: i know, but do they just include the svn changelog in the packages? |
| [21:12:28] | justinh: | yunosh: no idea, but what's so important about knowing the changes? |
| [21:12:35] | yunosh: | developer changelogs are usually not that helpful to unexerienced end users |
| [21:12:36] | justinh: | apart from "more stuff was fixed" |
| [21:12:56] | justinh: | yunosh: then they'd be of little use to end users anyway |
| [21:13:04] | iamlindoro_: | if you're asking in anyone parses the code changes and makes them "friendly," then no, nobody does that |
| [21:13:05] | sphery: | developers generally leave out the list of all the new bugs they create when they fix other bugs |
| [21:13:08] | justinh: | no new features ever make it to -fixes |
| [21:13:09] | yunosh: | because: never change a running system, unless it fixes something that nags you |
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| [21:13:13] | justinh: | no new plugins |
| [21:13:17] | justinh: | only bug fixes |
| [21:13:44] | justinh: | go bug the mythbuntu packagers to publish :) |
| [21:13:45] | sphery: | yunosh: so ask us about whatever is nagging you and we can let you know when/if it was fixed (or how to fix it yourself) |
| [21:14:02] | RyeBrye: | justinh: but... it fixes the fact that I'm missing a feature! ;) |
| [21:14:57] | yunosh: | sphery: it's not a special issue i'm looking for. i generally like to know which happens with an update before i install it. everybody should actually do that |
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| [21:15:32] | iamlindoro_: | so what part of "read the svn changelog for the past 7 days" isn't okay? |
| [21:15:57] | sphery: | yunosh: so what you're saying is that nothing about your MythTV install nags you? If so, see /your/ advice above (which /is/ good advice): "because: never change a running system, unless it fixes something that nags you" |
| [21:16:36] | justinh: | hmm part of VM's network is off. that'd explain lots |
| [21:16:47] | sphery: | they actually tell you that? |
| [21:17:08] | justinh: | sphery: http://status-cable.virginmedia.com/vmstatus/ . . . =status+home |
| [21:17:28] | sphery: | my ISP's status pages show "Scheduled maintenance in progress... May disrupt service for some users" perpetually. (It's been there for at least 5 years.) |
| [21:17:41] | yunosh: | nevermind: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mythtv/my . . . an/changelog |
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| [21:18:46] | kevinaj: | anyone know a good way to escape the %Description% passed to a user job? |
| [21:19:20] | justinh: | escape it? |
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| [21:19:38] | justinh: | you mean remove certain characters out of it?# |
| [21:19:38] | justinh: | regex! |
| [21:19:42] | kevinaj: | if it contains special characters " or ; |
| [21:19:47] | kevinaj: | yes |
| [21:20:03] | justinh: | s/\\"// IIRC |
| [21:20:18] | justinh: | and s/\\;// |
| [21:20:39] | justinh: | my regex-fu is weak, though |
| [21:21:00] | kevinaj: | Do i have to do that to the database or as i pass it to the script |
| [21:21:09] | iamlindoro_: | You'd need to do it in the script |
| [21:21:14] | justinh: | do it in the script :) |
| [21:21:32] | sphery: | kevinaj: what are you escaping it for (HTML, sh, ...) |
| [21:21:38] | kevinaj: | problem is it appears in the script as an additional pramater |
| [21:21:39] | kevinaj: | sh |
| [21:21:41] | justinh: | in one of my scripts I just strip all non-alphanumerics out |
| [21:21:56] | justinh: | ruh? |
| [21:22:02] | justinh: | that shouldn't happen |
| [21:22:11] | sphery: | kevinaj: so in sh and for sh? |
| [21:22:24] | justinh: | oh wait. it'll have newlines in it too |
| [21:22:26] | iamlindoro_: | kevinaj: What are you doing with your user job? |
| [21:22:42] | kevinaj: | creating a RSS feed with the description |
| [21:22:44] | sphery: | (i.e. a sh script that escapes characters for use in a command line) If so, justin's approach is best. |
| [21:22:45] | wagnerrp: | has anyone come across a problem where nvidia 8-series and better cards output a null audio signal over DVI? |
| [21:23:05] | justinh: | wagnerrp: DVI has no audio |
| [21:23:23] | iamlindoro_: | kevinaj: Mythweb has RSS for recordings (I believe in fixes as well) |
| [21:23:26] | sphery: | justinh: guess someone at my ISP heard me complaining to you... Everything's fine, now. |
| [21:23:42] | justinh: | heh |
| [21:23:43] | iamlindoro_: | ie feed://127.0.0.1:8080/mythweb/rss/tv/recorded |
| [21:23:44] | justinh: | my lag is still > 5 secs here :( |
| [21:23:52] | wagnerrp: | justinh: apparently it adds a blank audio feed into the bitstream when the device you connect gives an HDMI EDID |
| [21:24:05] | justinh: | whoah I didn't know that :) (the rss thing) |
| [21:24:12] | justinh: | wagnerrp: interesting |
| [21:24:15] | wagnerrp: | justinh: which has the adverse effect of causing the TV to default to using the non-existent HDMI audio |
| [21:24:18] | sphery: | kevinaj: trunk only, but something to look forward to for 0.22: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/17726 |
| [21:24:22] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: Yeah, makes a nice smart bookmark |
| [21:24:39] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: BAh, I've lost track, my mistake |
| [21:24:50] | justinh: | wagnerrp: bleh :( |
| [21:24:54] | kevinaj: | sphrey: thanks, I'll take a look at that |
| [21:25:32] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: heh... Didn't notice you were talking about mythWeb's RSS. |
| [21:25:36] | wagnerrp: | seems theres a hack on windows where you force a custom EDID |
| [21:25:47] | oobe: | i just tried that link it say's this for me "An unknown module was specified" |
| [21:25:56] | sphery: | wagnerrp: Option "IgnoreEDID" "true" |
| [21:26:01] | justinh: | wagnerrp: IGNORE_EDID deprecated or something? |
| [21:26:22] | wagnerrp: | sphery, justinh: i could try that... |
| [21:26:30] | sphery: | wagnerrp: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Specifying_DPI_for . . . DID_Settings |
| [21:26:58] | wagnerrp: | ill take a look, thanks |
| [21:27:06] | justinh: | so.. this rss stuff.. |
| [21:27:09] | justinh: | not worky here either |
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| [21:27:47] | sphery: | justinh: "WWXBMC"... nice. |
| [21:27:52] | iamlindoro_: | D |
| [21:27:59] | sphery: | justinh: trunk? |
| [21:28:16] | justinh: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythWebRSS |
| [21:28:47] | oobe: | interesting idea though |
| [21:28:52] | wagnerrp: | so if i DISABLE_EDID, the built in modes should still work, correct? |
| [21:29:10] | wagnerrp: | err... 'UseEDID' 'False' |
| [21:29:19] | justinh: | sphery: they're not all a bucket of suck you know ;) |
| [21:29:48] | justinh: | I've borrowed an idea or 2 from XBMC in my time |
| [21:30:14] | iamlindoro_: | Not me! *whistles, looks away* |
| [21:30:14] | sphery: | yeah, just thought it was funny |
| [21:30:26] | justinh: | ooo lag decreasing... |
| [21:31:01] | iamlindoro_: | Got MythNew, MythMovies, item detail screen, progressbar, busy indicator, more popups done this weekend |
| [21:31:04] | iamlindoro_: | I was on a tear |
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| [21:31:29] | justinh: | my plan to theme this weekend has been kyboshed with rebuilding my backend |
| [21:31:35] | justinh: | its rootfs is on the brink |
| [21:31:52] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, it just says to ignore the capabilities specified by the TV (and sorry for saying it wrong above with IgnoreEDID--I couldn't remember which was current) |
| [21:32:29] | justinh: | when I got home today it looked like the IDE controller had locked up |
| [21:32:51] | wagnerrp: | well that... sort of worked |
| [21:32:58] | justinh: | but a borked root could be responsible for all kinds |
| [21:33:01] | wagnerrp: | i guess there is no '1280x720' mode |
| [21:33:11] | wagnerrp: | but at least i get audio |
| [21:33:32] | wagnerrp: | its progress anyway |
| [21:33:42] | justinh: | that's crazy |
| [21:33:52] | justinh: | will have to look out for that one |
| [21:34:03] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/01/27/audioque . . . hdmi-cables/ |
| [21:34:07] | iamlindoro_: | Well that ought to go well |
| [21:34:15] | justinh: | bah. lag back up |
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| [21:35:31] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: ! |
| [21:36:37] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: 19 wires to separate and crimp, then fit onto a tiny HDMI bracket? What could possibly go wrong? |
| [21:37:36] | oobe: | justinh, just pack / into a tar ball then scan the disk for bad sectors if you find any create a new partition around it for or buy a new disk then untar your back into the new disk partition |
| [21:39:29] | sphery: | now the users are feeding a monster... In "Ticket #6158: Add Export to MythVideo Functionality to Watch Recordings," "Robert – you've done a great job here" |
| [21:39:40] | sphery: | Oh, wait. I'm not upset by that patch. |
| [21:40:18] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Did you see the latest comment? Wants mythtranscode rolled into it |
| [21:40:38] | sphery: | hadn't finished reading the post |
| [21:40:39] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: What's so hard about setting up a transcode to run yourself if you want something transcoded? |
| [21:40:56] | iamlindoro_: | my favorite line, and this is for xris: "and nuvexport hasn't worked properly in years now." |
| [21:41:51] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: heh, Captain_Murdoch's code to move the recordings won't do that, so it's up to you. |
| [21:41:59] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Not a chance |
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| [21:44:21] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: What would be the point? One can transcode/etc. automatically after recording anyway |
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| [21:45:03] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: And (arguably) I haven't yet reimplemented existing functionality, and don't intend to |
| [21:45:17] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: yeah, or edit, then start a transcode job manually, then do an export to MV |
| [21:45:24] | iamlindoro_: | yeah |
| [21:45:44] | sphery: | but he has a good idea--just make mythtranscode work with all video |
| [21:45:59] | sphery: | oh, and make sure it preserves captions/subtitles/picture subtitles/... |
| [21:46:05] | iamlindoro_: | once the SG move code is there, I'll have to put in a check for the status to make sure a transcoding recording isn't moved/copied |
| [21:46:33] | xris: | iamlindoro_: I'm still waiting for a mythffmpeg. :) |
| [21:46:47] | iamlindoro_: | xris: You and me both, let's make sphery do it |
| [21:47:07] | sphery: | wait, if you understood FOSS, you'd do it yourself--in Python! |
| [21:47:11] | iamlindoro_: | after he finishes the tasks I've assigned him, that is |
| [21:47:29] | xris: | lol |
| [21:47:36] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: you fool, the essnce of open source is me telling you what I want and you doing it for me |
| [21:47:36] | xris: | sphery: Ook would be more fun |
| [21:49:15] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: notice how the big task you've assigned to me got done by someone else? (the SG move/copy code) |
| [21:49:27] | iamlindoro_: | It ain't done until I see a commit ;) |
| [21:49:37] | sphery: | if you believe... |
| [21:49:44] | iamlindoro_: | I actually wasn't clear on whether his code allows for a copy-- I hope so |
| [21:50:10] | iamlindoro_: | and also on whether it allows between hosts |
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| [21:50:58] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: if nothing else, it's a much better start than what I have(n't) |
| [21:51:11] | iamlindoro_: | heh, duly noted |
| [21:51:33] | sphery: | yeah, I was wondering if he responded to my question about that last night while I was netsplit |
| [21:52:12] | iamlindoro_: | I dunno, I was on the outside of the split myself |
| [21:52:23] | sphery: | Oh, and I have a feeling his code /does/ take into account inuseprograms |
| [21:52:55] | sphery: | I completely lost the channels/connection to freenode and had to wait to reconnect |
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| [21:53:58] | sphery: | I liked the explanation, "bored dimwit with more bandwith than sense" |
| [21:54:21] | iamlindoro_: | where's that? |
| [21:54:55] | sphery: | christel's notice this morning |
| [21:55:21] | sphery: | did you get it? |
| [21:55:39] | iamlindoro_: | Had to do a reboot this morning on the system I would have gotten it on, so no |
| [21:55:59] | iamlindoro_: | heh, funny |
| [21:56:12] | sphery: | well, you won the bet about who would send the global notice |
| [21:56:17] | iamlindoro_: | yes I did :) |
| [21:56:35] | iamlindoro_: | in fairness it's almost always hi |
| [21:56:36] | iamlindoro_: | m |
| [21:57:47] | sphery: | true... I looked at my logs to see who else has sent them and found he almost exclusively sent them in 2008 and 2009 |
| [21:58:06] | sphery: | meaning only him, not only those years |
| [21:58:18] | sphery: | me no word good |
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| [22:00:05] | iamlindoro_: | I got it ;) |
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| [22:00:49] | wagnerrp: | well the drivers keep deciding my modelines are invalid |
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| [22:01:07] | wagnerrp: | modelines generated by parse-edid |
| [22:02:48] | sphery: | wagnerrp: if you use UseEDID false, you /must/ specify a valid HorizSync/VertRefresh (or at least you must specify values that will work with your modeline--X really doesn't care if they're valid for your TV) |
| [22:03:11] | wagnerrp: | all information defined by parse-edid |
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| [22:04:54] | wagnerrp: | new tactic... feed it a slightly modified edid dump |
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| [22:08:58] | wagnerrp: | success! |
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| [22:16:45] | test2: | hi jeeks, hi all, i was wondering where can i find a well updated information about myth , in French ? (please |
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| [22:17:47] | afm: | afternoon all |
| [22:17:49] | afm: | I upgraded to trunk today, and it looks as if mytharchive didn't quite make it. I get mytharchive (0.22..2009011–1) binary version does not match libraries (0.22.20090120–1) when attempting to run the frontend |
| [22:18:13] | RyeBrye: | did you compile mythplugins? |
| [22:18:33] | afm: | did it via apt-get..running mythbuntu |
| [22:19:12] | iamlindoro_: | trunk + mythbuntu = they're on the hook for supporting it IMO |
| [22:19:16] | iamlindoro_: | #ubuntu-mythtv |
| [22:19:30] | RyeBrye: | yeah, if mythbuntu is packing their trunk, mytbuntu is responsible for telling you how to fix it |
| [22:19:37] | RyeBrye: | sounds like they have junk in their trunk |
| [22:19:41] | RyeBrye: | ;) |
| [22:20:15] | RyeBrye: | I wonder how wise it is for them to package bleeding versions for the masses |
| [22:20:39] | iamlindoro_: | no comment |
| [22:20:49] | sphery: | perhaps they should use 0.21-fixes with VDPAU and HD-PVR backports ;) |
| [22:21:05] | iamlindoro_: | hehe |
| [22:21:06] | RyeBrye: | what about the mythui backports? |
| [22:21:07] | RyeBrye: | ;) |
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| [22:21:14] | sphery: | that way, at least it would be stable! |
| [22:21:39] | RyeBrye: | Hm... maybe I'll create a new branch and call it "0.21-fixes-with-all-backports" and just have it symlink to the trunk |
| [22:22:31] | clever: | but then it will need qt4 instead of 3! |
| [22:22:41] | iamlindoro_: | yeah, it's a qt4 backport, so what? |
| [22:23:00] | RyeBrye: | yes, it qt3-with-all-fixes-backported |
| [22:23:32] | clever: | but you need to rewrite all the alpha code to qt3! :P |
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| [22:23:43] | sphery: | what kind of idiot created the OS/applications on CSI: Miami? "Enter application request:" "Run:// Access Y-Filer" (and all caps, no less, though I've changed that to spare the yelling here...) |
| [22:24:26] | RyeBrye: | sphery: I actually work for that company. The cool thing is that it's actually got a cool interface to it |
| [22:24:29] | sphery: | And to make it worse, it's a popup dialog with Cancel/OK buttons (so why not just make a button to run it?) |
| [22:24:35] | sphery: | lol |
| [22:24:35] | RyeBrye: | you just hit any key on the keyboard and it types out that command for you |
| [22:24:47] | RyeBrye: | (except for one of the keys which clears the screen) |
| [22:24:51] | RyeBrye: | so that way you can look like you type fast |
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| [22:24:58] | sphery: | that too... they all type very fast. Guess it's because they have to type long strings of nonsense to do anything |
| [22:25:38] | sphery: | I love how 8xx and 9xx numbers in IP addresses have become the cyber-equivalent of 555 in phone numbers on CSI shows, too |
| [22:25:42] | RyeBrye: | Hey, anyone that can enhance an ATM camera's 320x240 fuzzy footage to read the mint-mark on a dime 100 yards away is clearly at a higher level of computing than us mere mortals |
| [22:25:56] | sphery: | i.e. 962.128.832.92 |
| [22:26:06] | RyeBrye: | I think that one is real. it's a "vanity IP" ;) |
| [22:26:16] | RyeBrye: | they should at least stick to the 10. subnet |
| [22:26:18] | sphery: | Where do I buy one of them? |
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| [22:26:38] | RyeBrye: | they only work in windows I think |
| [22:26:40] | RyeBrye: | ;) |
| [22:26:46] | Chutt: | don't most clients wrap octets? |
| [22:26:55] | Chutt: | 256 = 0, etc? |
| [22:26:56] | sphery: | yeah, though I think even a non-computer person would figure out the whole example.com setaside if they used names, so I understand their not using that |
| [22:27:19] | sphery: | heh. now I'm going to have to wrap some of their IP's and see where it takes me |
| [22:27:43] | RyeBrye: | ping: cannot resolve 962.128.832.92: Unknown host |
| [22:27:49] | RyeBrye: | it's available! |
| [22:27:52] | RyeBrye: | buy it now! |
| [22:28:16] | RyeBrye: | I totally want to register a new tld of .92 when they get on the TLD-free-for-all |
| [22:28:20] | RyeBrye: | that would rule! ;) |
| [22:28:48] | sphery: | you should take .1 through .255, at least |
| [22:28:54] | RyeBrye: | yes, good thinking |
| [22:29:07] | RyeBrye: | and serve up ads on 192.168.1.1 |
| [22:29:35] | sphery: | or 192.168.0.1 for non-linksys routers |
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| [22:30:03] | sphery: | 127.0.0.1 might be more challenging to make work |
| [22:30:21] | RyeBrye: | yeah, everyone has that one in their hosts file already |
| [22:30:35] | RyeBrye: | but 127.O.O.1 (o's not 0's) would be ok |
| [22:32:26] | sphery: | just gotta get distros to start putting "hosts: dns files" in /etc/nsswitch.conf (instead of "hosts: files dns") |
| [22:34:05] | CaptObviousman: | domains can't start with a number I believe |
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| [22:34:22] | CaptObviousman: | so your dreams of capturing errant traffic aren't realistic |
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| [22:37:34] | RyeBrye: | yeah, I know |
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| [22:42:29] | gbee: | it will probably copy then delete the original, generally you don't want to be moving files any other way when one location may be across a network |
| [22:42:45] | gbee: | err, sorry, replying to a very old comment there |
| [22:43:23] | sphery: | yeah, he's wanting copy without delete in addition to "move" (=copy then delete) |
| [22:43:40] | iamlindoro_: | Yeah, I'd like to preserve the original in case of catastrophe |
| [22:43:46] | sphery: | would be useful, i.e., for copying to an SG that's a laptop/external HDD filesystem for taking shows on the road |
| [22:43:48] | iamlindoro_: | or at least to have a button to give the user the option |
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| [22:44:50] | kormoc: | CaptObviousman, http://www.123.com/ claims otherwise |
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| [22:45:28] | CaptObviousman: | so I am |
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| [22:45:52] | iamlindoro_: | (or 1800flowers.com) |
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| [22:49:12] | RyeBrye: | kormoc: I think he was talking about TLD's |
| [22:49:22] | RyeBrye: | when / if they go to the TLD-orgy |
| [22:52:40] | iamlindoro_: | I myself will buy www.creedthoughts.gov.www\creedthoughts |
| [22:53:42] | iamlindoro_: | (not funny to non-Office fans) |
| [22:53:56] | ** sid3windr googles "google" ** | |
| [22:54:08] | kormoc: | RyeBrye, if he was, he shouldn't have said domains can't start with and said TLD's can't start with |
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| [23:17:37] | bunder: | if i run my backend on one box, and the db on another, how do i add a new frontend into the mix? |
| [23:18:50] | Gumby: | there is a config file in /etc/mythtv or ~/.mythtv that controls the database connection and mythtv-setup controls the connection to the MBE |
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| [23:20:53] | directhex: | bunder, the normal way |
| [23:21:01] | bunder: | weird, mythtv-setup asked me for the one holding the db, not anything about the backend |
| [23:21:12] | directhex: | bunder, that info is in the db |
| [23:21:17] | directhex: | why ask for tyhings it already knows? |
| [23:22:45] | bunder: | i wonder why i can't connect to the MBE then |
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| [23:23:20] | bunder: | do i have to enable anything on that box for remote frontends? |
| [23:23:25] | Gumby: | have you told the sql server to allow connections from the host you are trying to connect from? |
| [23:23:30] | bunder: | yeah |
| [23:23:38] | bunder: | mythtv-setup wouldn't run without it |
| [23:24:13] | Gumby: | and have you told the mbe that its running on its IP and not localhost? |
| [23:24:21] | directhex: | everything needs to use LAN IP addresses, not 127.0.0.1 |
| [23:24:29] | bunder: | yeah, i did all that |
| [23:25:26] | Gumby: | what error are you getting? |
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| [23:26:50] | bunder: | that the frontend can't find the backend |
| [23:27:04] | aoeu: | I have 3 capture cards, but only see 1 in mythtv-setup. |
| [23:27:24] | sid3windr: | mythtv-setup is a backend setup program, is it not? |
| [23:27:53] | bunder: | i got it, it really wants ip, won't use dns name |
| [23:28:10] | Gumby: | <directhex> everything needs to use LAN IP addresses, not 127.0.0.1 <----- |
| [23:28:21] | Gumby: | which part of "everything" was unclear? |
| [23:28:34] | sid3windr: | the fact that "not 127.0.0.1" is different from "not localhost" perhaps |
| [23:28:43] | sid3windr: | or... the fact that it also works with non-LAN IP addresses ;) |
| [23:28:51] | Gumby: | lol |
| [23:29:07] | sid3windr: | so no, it was actually not very clear, as that line does not say you can't use dns names pointing to said addresses |
| [23:29:14] | sid3windr: | (but afaik that works fine for me, too) |
| [23:29:23] | sid3windr: | bunder: are you sure your dns is set up right? :) |
| [23:29:27] | directhex: | what does the tooltip at the bottom of the screen say? |
| [23:29:34] | bunder: | sid3windr: yeah. |
| [23:29:57] | directhex: | hint: it says in words of 1 syllable or less that you mjust use ip, not hostname |
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| [23:31:35] | poodyp: | is there a way to get myth to start recordings late? |
| [23:31:47] | sid3windr: | haha |
| [23:31:54] | sid3windr: | I guess he didn't like to be pointed at the obvious |
| [23:31:55] | poodyp: | all I can find is one to start early and it won't go into the negatives |
| [23:32:08] | aoeu: | how do i go back when i'm in mythtv-setup. i click capture cards, but see no back button to the main menu |
| [23:32:09] | sid3windr: | poodyp: why would you always want to miss the first 5 minutes? |
| [23:32:22] | sid3windr: | aoeu: try not clicking but using the keyboard. |
| [23:32:28] | poodyp: | I don't |
| [23:32:51] | aoeu: | methinks he should rtfm |
| [23:32:53] | poodyp: | I want to miss the last 10 seconds of the proceeding show |
| [23:33:01] | sid3windr: | ahh :) |
| [23:33:03] | poodyp: | and catch the last 10 seconds of the show I want |
| [23:33:11] | sid3windr: | hmm |
| [23:33:16] | sid3windr: | so your broadcaster's time is wrong? |
| [23:33:25] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [23:33:35] | poodyp: | or my clock is, but I have ntp |
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| [23:58:41] | aoeu: | i'm trying to compile the latest version of mythtv on debian, and it says i need freetype2. i installed libfreetype6 and libfreetype6-dev, and it says i don't have it. are there any other packages that i need? |
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