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Wednesday, January 21st, 2009, 00:04 UTC

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Chicago:

So...

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Chicago:

MythTV does a better job with my HDHomerun than VLC does.

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Chicago:

MythTV-Greatness++

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kevinle:

why is the irblaster so hard to set up

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phunyguy:

hmmm speaking of

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phunyguy:

is there any way to get an irblaster to forward remote codes from a specific remote back out a transmitter?

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phunyguy:

i have a commandir

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phunyguy:

i know it used to work, just not sure how I accomplished it

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kevinle:

where would i put the pvr150 firmware

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clever:

phunyguy: using irexec i beleive, you can run command x when you push key y

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clever:

which could then be used to run irsend send_once tv volume+ whenever the pvr150 remote has vol+ hit

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kevinle:

omg, now i broke my pvr150 remote

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kevinle:

doesnt even work

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clever:

which is why you should allways backup your config before changing things you dont know

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clever:

once thhings are working, save everything

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kevinle:

bah

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kevinle:

lol

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kevinle:

i guess ill have to install lirc from scratch

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clever:

and why does everybody think reinstalling will fix things?

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kevinle:

well obviously it wont

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kevinle:

but i need to start at a fresh starting point

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clever:

apt and stuff doesnt delete your config when uninstalling

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clever:

so it will leave you exactly where you started(broken)

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kevinle:

no

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kevinle:

im installing it from the patched lirc version

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clever:

with 'make install'?

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kevinle:

no

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kevinle:

./setup

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clever:

dnt remember that one

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phunyguy:

clever – thanks for the info, but last time i didn't do any of that.

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phunyguy:

:-/

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clever:

wait, 2 diff guys, oops:P

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phunyguy:

just not sure what i did

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clever:

got both of you mixed up there

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phunyguy:

I want to put my dish reciever in a cabinet to get it out of the way, but still be able to use the remote – lol.

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clever:

i put my rogers STB in the closet, but i dont control it with a remote

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clever:

mythtv has total control of it thru the blaster

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wagnerrp:

if i duplicate the .config file from a previous copy of a kernel source tree, and recompile fresh

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phunyguy:

well yeah thats fine, but i dont have myth fully working yet

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wagnerrp:

will old modules be compatible with it?

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wagnerrp:

same tree, same config, but new compile

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phunyguy:

i am inheriting and old PC to replace my garage jukebox though

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clever:

wagnerrp: maybe, if the compiler is the same

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phunyguy:

the garage jukebox has like 5 open PCI slots

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wagnerrp:

should be the same

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phunyguy:

and is a k6–2/500

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phunyguy:

so all i will need is some more PVR cards and MOAR DISH.

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wagnerrp:

can a k6–2 manage SD mpeg2 decoding?

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Dagmar:

maybe

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Dagmar:

Those topped out at what, 550Mhz

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Dagmar:

It *should* be able to do it

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wagnerrp:

apparently 500MHz for this one

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clever:

ive done SD mpeg2 and mpeg4 on my 400mhz P2

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clever:

need to track down my latest cpu usage problem

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: I was talking about the product line actually. I think 550Mhz was as fast as they made those, started at 333Mhz IIRC

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Dagmar:

600Mhz was K6–3 (whatever the hell that was supposed to mean)

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clever:

im getting lines like '3% Completed @ 41.1709 fps.' in the status for jobs

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clever:

but that tells me nothing about how long until it actualy finishes

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wagnerrp:

well you have a framerate, and a video length

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Dagmar:

So time how long it takes to get to 6% and 9%

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clever:

wagnerrp: i dont have frame lenght:P

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wagnerrp:

it should all be interlaced, so 30fps

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clever:

im patching mythtranscode/flag to include the eta right in the status

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Dagmar:

You have fun with that

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clever:

Dagmar: that method would mean polling the status of jobs every now and then

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Dagmar:

It's completely not necessary

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Dagmar:

Or, you could do simple math.

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clever:

and that would just give seconds for 3%

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wagnerrp:

usually, people have sufficient hardware to commflag in realtime

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Dagmar:

It's working at 41.1709 fps, which is how much faster than 30fps?

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wagnerrp:

and at 41fps, that seems to be the case here too

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clever:

wagnerrp: i forgot to start my slave backends after a hardware update

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clever:

so 20 jobs piled up

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wagnerrp:

take a nap?

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Dagmar:

Okay, so you're just being stupid now

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clever:

Dagmar: that still doesnt tell me if its a 30min or 60min recording

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Dagmar:

It's not something that's going to finish until likely tomorrow.

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clever:

which i can only find by comparing the starttime and endtime for the recorded entry, which use lessless once you add a cutlist

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wagnerrp:

you cant look at the title and know what show it is?

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Dagmar:

Seriously.

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clever:

wagnerrp: i could, but that cant be automated

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Dagmar:

You're putting a lot of effort into avoiding using your brain

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clever:

so i can release the patch and let other people be lazy:P

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Dagmar:

They won't care.

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wagnerrp:

well whatever floats your boat i guess

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Dagmar:

Is there something you hope to gain by knowing when the job is complete?

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wagnerrp:

im off to figure out how to manage the zfs io scheduler

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wagnerrp:

so open-iscsi stops getting raped whenever im hitting the disk hard

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Dagmar:

hahah

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Dagmar:

Good luck on that

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clever:

Dagmar: it would be nice to know when the transcoding is done so you could burn it to dvd

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Dagmar:

I fail to see how

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Dagmar:

There is MythArchive for that

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Dagmar:

...which does what transcoding is needed already.

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Dagmar:

...and hey, if you're talking about a video DVD, it's pretty likely it'll need to be transocded again anyway so that it'll be in a DVD-compatible format

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clever:

enless i want to transcode to mpeg4.nuv and burn as a data dvd

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clever:

or in the case of my transcoding laptop that has to be shut off by 6am, will be be idle by then

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Dagmar:

For THAT you could actually use your brain for something constructive and configure the laptop to shut down when idle.

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clever:

i tried using the system in mythtv to do exactly that

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clever:

i then discovered that only after EVERY myth box is idle, will it try to shutdown the ENTIRE network at once

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clever:

which is exactly what i dont want

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Dagmar:

I'll put it simply... predicting when a transcode will finish is only a prediction.

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clever:

yeah, but if it stays at 2pm for 5mins solid, then its a fairly stable prediction

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wagnerrp:

run the jobqueue on the tunerless machines, instead of the backend

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Dagmar:

...and yet it's only a prediction no one cares about.

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wagnerrp:

write a cheap little script that polls queued jobs

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wagnerrp:

and when that goes to zero, standby the machine

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wagnerrp:

perhaps check utmp for active user logins before going into standby

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Dagmar:

I still don't believe for a second this information will do anything useful

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wagnerrp:

write another cheap little script on the MBE that starts booting up machines as the queue fills up

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Dagmar:

Either the job will be done by 6am, and I know you won't get up to power the thing off if it finishes at 3:30am, or it won't be done by then and it'll have to be forcibly killed

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clever:

cant easily get the laptop to power on from the network wake signal

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clever:

and the desktop slave defaults to booting windows so that would be useless to auto wake

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wagnerrp:

wireless?

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Dagmar:

Boo hoo

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clever:

wired on both

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Dagmar:

So, in which case does 6am come and go without the laptop being powered off?

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clever:

dagmar: if i know that it will finish a job by 5:40, then the script could disable all future jobs

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clever:

forcing it to not start another job

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clever:

and to then become idle

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Dagmar:

But hey, when people complain that the predictions are inaccurate, I'll make sure they get your email address

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afm:

well i have my hdpvr working in vlc...no myth yet...running trunk...getting close

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a1fa:

whaaaatsssssuuup

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a1fa:

i decided to sell my sanyo 30" crt and get me a 42" toshiba 1080p lcd

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a1fa:

evil walmart has one for $1k

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wagnerrp:

note that evil walmart tends to get the lowest binned tvs to keep prices cheap

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a1fa:

binned?

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wagnerrp:

screens that have flaws

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wagnerrp:

color spots on the panel

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wagnerrp:

issues with the backlight

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wagnerrp:

and they never get the higher end models

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a1fa:

interesting

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a1fa:

any proof on that?

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Chicago:

Newegg has a beautiful Samsung 30" and it covers more than 100 percent of the NTSC color space and have 178 degree vertical/horizontal viewing angle an its right around $1K.

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wagnerrp:

mostly hearsay and conjecture

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wagnerrp:

heard it from a friend i tend to trust

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wagnerrp:

and i agree that i wouldnt want to buy high end electronics from walmart

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a1fa:

Chicago: thats a bit pricey

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Dagmar:

How about a big ol' "f**k wal-mart" on general principle

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a1fa:

blah i don't really care.. sam walton did the right thing.. maybe they are taking things too extreme these days

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a1fa:

but walmart actually brings more business to town

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a1fa:

do you know how many more specialized stores open around walmart

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Chicago:

If walmart can figure out how to pay a living wage; I would be more considerate of their company.

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a1fa:

heh

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a1fa:

they cant

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a1fa:

thats why they are so cheap

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a1fa:

i feel sorry for people that have to work there

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Chicago:

At least in the USA they don't have Wal-Mart hotels. In China you can work at Wal-Mart and they'll take rent out of your check so you can live in a little closet in the back.

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a1fa:

(i bank with walmart too)

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a1fa:

shit.. even my mortgage is through walmart

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a1fa:

lol

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a1fa:

its just ridicilous paying high prices for grocaries

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a1fa:

and other ammenities

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a1fa:

(ie. toiletpaper)

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a1fa:

fuck that, all that crap should be cheap

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a1fa:

either that.. or people should have bigger salaries, and/or toilet should wipe your ass everytime you flush

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a1fa:

$10 for toilet paper is ridicilous... or $15 at the lil mom and pop gas stations

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Chicago:

This is true.

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a1fa:

lets not talk about high end markets

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a1fa:

where all crap is 10x more expensive

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Chicago:

Plus, I had walking into Wal-Mart because of the number of non-english speakers whom feel right at home there... with their babies shitting their pants, smelling back and breaking things.

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a1fa:

lol

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Chicago:

I feel like the Indian who has the tear in his eye because of what the White man has done to his land.

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a1fa:

we don't have that problem here

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wagnerrp:

in high end markets, you pay for product R&D

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a1fa:

lol.. bullshit wagnerrp

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a1fa:

loaf of bread is $5

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a1fa:

that is just ridicilous

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wagnerrp:

a loaf of bread is not high end

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a1fa:

it cost them $0.25 to bake that bread — total cost

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Chicago:

2 cents worth of yeast... 5 cents of grain....

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a1fa:

i am just saying...

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a1fa:

thats how much a loaf of bread costs here at a high end supermarket

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Chicago:

Alright, I have a myth support question.

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wagnerrp:

shoot

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Chicago:

I added an HDHR and a video source. The channel names I pickup over the air don't match exactly with my lineup from SD.

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wagnerrp:

Chicago: and they wont

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wagnerrp:

you have to figure out what the channels are

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wagnerrp:

and manually set the xmlid to match the one used by SD

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wagnerrp:

you can set xmlids in mythtv-setup or mythweb

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Chicago:

Ah

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Chicago:

Ty

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Chicago:

I see that in SD when I hover over the channel I get the ID. :)

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wagnerrp:

yep

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Chicago:

When I do that, am I setup incorrectly if I have the checkbox for "Use on air guide" enabled?

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wagnerrp:

i believe 'on air guide' is the EIT data

[03:43:04]

wagnerrp:

you do not want to be gathering EIT data if youre using SD

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wagnerrp:

there is really little benefit, because SD updates schedules the day before anyway

[03:44:35]

wagnerrp:

using EIT data will just result in descriptions getting changed, breaking the previous recordings matcher

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Chicago:

Oh, in my SD linup, I have a WISH and WISHDT2, but no plain WISHDT

[03:47:03]

Chicago:

I wonder if I am missing a channel in my SD lineup of if WISHDT2 actually maps to WISHDT (as detected during channel scan)

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wagnerrp:

DT2 is usually the weather/news channel

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wagnerrp:

not something you really need scheduling data for

[03:48:16]

wagnerrp:

pull up mythtv, access the channels, watch for a few second and figure out what they are

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wagnerrp:

or, theres a script somewhere on the wiki that will run through a channels.conf and dump an image on each one using mplayer

[03:49:45]

Chicago:

I can do it manually this time. :)

[03:50:06]

Chicago:

Is it safe to use the channel editor in mythtv-setup while the backend is running?

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Chicago:

such that safe == recommended

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wagnerrp:

generally, anything but a channel scan should be safe

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wagnerrp:

and a channel scan will just fail, because mythbackend has locked the tuner

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wagnerrp:

(although that wont happen with an HDHR)

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Chicago:

So check this out. This HDHR played back with VLC fails miserably due to bad overdriven cable signal.

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wagnerrp:

but most settings in mythtv-setup wont take effect until you restart the backend

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Chicago:

Myth plays back nearly flawlessly.

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Chicago:

Is myth using libdvbpsi?

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houkouonchi:

anyone have any ideas how to improve mysql query performance with the recordedseek table?

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Chicago:

houkouonchi: Sure, get more spindles for your database.

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wagnerrp:

houkouonchi: move the mysql table to a memory disk?

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houkouonchi:

those are dangerous though. Can it get better with an index or anyone know good tuning options to make the entire mythconverg database run in memory for reads?

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Chicago:

houkouonchi: Do you have many old old hard drives laying around?

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houkouonchi:

the database is about 450MB and I am perfectly willing to sacrafice that much extra memory to MySQL if I could

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houkouonchi:

Chicago: Yeah I do but the machine really can't take any more HD's

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wagnerrp:

Chicago: thats not really something good to recommended

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wagnerrp:

houkouonchi: what are you trying to do that the DB is too slow?

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houkouonchi:

play a recording

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houkouonchi:

SELECT mark, offset FROM recordedseek WHERE chanid = '1111' AND starttime = '2009-01–12T20:00:00';

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houkouonchi:

takes 30 seconds to run...

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wagnerrp:

do you have mythweb installed?

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houkouonchi:

run it a second time (in memory) takes less than 1/10th of a second

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houkouonchi:

yes

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Chicago:

check it out.... Just try to partition the outter 2–3 tracks on the old disks. Have a RAID there just for the DB... then the drive heads are barely moving to seek. and things will happen quicker.

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houkouonchi:

the db is already in the first like 8–9 GB of each drive

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wagnerrp:

go into the settings, database, click 'optimize tables'

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houkouonchi:

because its on a raid5 array of 8 drives and the database is on a 30GB slice

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houkouonchi:

wagnerrp: i already optimize the tables every night

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Chicago:

houkouonchi: How did you verify the first 8–9GB is on the inner vs. outter tracks?

[03:56:37]

houkouonchi:

Chicago: because outer tracks are almost always at the beggining of the drives on seagate drives?

[03:57:16]

houkouonchi:

optimizing the table isn't gonna help though since it will take 30 sec even if i run the query as soon as the optimize finishes if i drop disk cache

[03:58:29]

houkouonchi:

I think if I could tune mysql to use 500MB or so of memory for myISAM tables that I could solve my issue but i don't really know the correct values to use in my.cnf for that

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houkouonchi:

the system typically has 2–2.5 GB of free memory so I could live with using another 500MB on MySQL

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houkouonchi:

weird...

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wagnerrp:

thats a monsterous database for mythtv

[04:01:44]

houkouonchi:

i have a lot of channel/guide data and a lot of recordings

[04:03:26]

houkouonchi:

thats weird...

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Dagmar:

houkouonchi: Well, it's not like the documentation leaves that to be a mystery

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Dagmar:

The MySQL people have rather extensive documentation.

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houkouonchi:

i dont understand why this query takes soo long to run

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houkouonchi:

if i drop caches and then dd the recordedseek files it runs very quickly

[04:04:13]

houkouonchi:

if I dont it takes 25–30 seconds to run after dropping cache

[04:04:19]

houkouonchi:

yet dd'ing the file only takes a couple seconds

[04:04:27]

houkouonchi:

about 3 seconds actually

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houkouonchi:

it makes me wonder why mysql seems to be taking so long to read in the data

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houkouonchi:

maybe i will just write a cronjob that runs every minute and reads in the recordedseek files to keep them in disk cache...

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clever:

houkouonchi: it could be reading the data out of order

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clever:

the data within the file is posibly fragmented

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clever:

what is the sql query?

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houkouonchi:

ah

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houkouonchi:

you are probably right clever

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clever:

(the slow query)

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houkouonchi:

SELECT mark, offset FROM recordedseek WHERE chanid = '1111' AND starttime = '2009-01–12T20:00:00';

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houkouonchi:

it didn't always used to be like this either

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houkouonchi:

even though this table has been pretty big for quite a while

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clever:

alter table recordedseek order by chanid,starttime,mark;

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houkouonchi:

I mean it used to sometimes take 2–3 seconds to start playing a record but now its like 30 seconds sometimes

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houkouonchi:

ok i will try it

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clever:

that will sort everything by chanid,starttime,mark

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houkouonchi:

running

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houkouonchi:

i will drop caches and then try re-running the query

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houkouonchi:

mysql> alter table recordedseek order by chanid,starttime,mark;

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houkouonchi:

Query OK, 3386497 rows affected (22.75 sec)

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houkouonchi:

Records: 3386497 Duplicates: 0 Warnings: 0

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clever:

its basicaly the same thing as optimize table ...; but it will tune the performance for that exact query

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houkouonchi:

YES

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houkouonchi:

you pwn man

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houkouonchi:

0.17 second query time now

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houkouonchi:

after dropping caches

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clever:

now every row your asking for, is in a single seq chunk

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houkouonchi:

THANK YOU!

[04:09:27]

houkouonchi:

went from 30 second query to .017

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houkouonchi:

.17*

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clever:

:)

[04:09:39]

houkouonchi:

awesomeness

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houkouonchi:

i will add that query to my cronjob that optimizes/dumps the db

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Hilikus:

hey guys

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clever:

houkouonchi: once you do that query, all new data gets appended to the end

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houkouonchi:

I am guessing it doesn't help I have been using the same database for almost 4 years now

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houkouonchi:

oh so I don't have to run it again?

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clever:

houkouonchi: aslong as you dont delete data, it will stay relatively good

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Hilikus:

i used to be able to use opengl in mythtv but i dont know what happened and now it shows QGLContext::makeCurrent(): Cannot make invalid context current

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clever:

houkouonchi: but if you delete a show or transcode, you create a hole in the table, where new data can go

[04:10:36]

Hilikus:

i can start it by telling it to use QT, but it looks really bad so i'm trying to fix the opengl problem

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houkouonchi:

ah ok

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clever:

which will over time, fragment it again

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houkouonchi:

well stuff gets deleted fairly often so yeah i might run that query on my nightly cron job then

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Hilikus:

any ideas what could i try? im using the nvidia driver

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clever:

over 4 years, it can get real messy:P

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clever:

the optimize db script will compact everything to 'sane' states to remove fragmentation

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clever:

but its not smart enough to sort things like that

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houkouonchi:

yeah because the files weren't that fragmented

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houkouonchi:

like only a couple hundred

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houkouonchi:

and the fact the DD went quickly made me go wtf...

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houkouonchi:

Total Running Time:

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houkouonchi:

3 years 11 months 22 days 10 hrs 35 mins

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houkouonchi:

according to mythweb =P

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clever:

dd just reads the whole thing in seq

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houkouonchi:

right

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houkouonchi:

i wasn't thinking of the actual order data in which mysql would read it

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houkouonchi:

thats why when you mentioned that it made a lot of sense

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clever:

ive done similar stuff with 4gig tables and millions of rows

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houkouonchi:

i am still quite the MySQL n00b

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houkouonchi:

i had never even really used MySQL b4 until I installed mythtv

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clever:

Total Running Time: 1 year 11 months 15 days 9 hrs 51 mins

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clever:

First recording: Monday February 5th, 2007

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houkouonchi:

Total Recorded:

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houkouonchi:

3 years 9 days 10 hrs 45 mins

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houkouonchi:

Percent of time spent recording:

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houkouonchi:

76%

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houkouonchi:

=)

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Chicago:

Are comcast digital audio channels usually encrypted?

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clever:

Percent of time spent recording: 15%

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wagnerrp:

houkouonchi: do you just leave your tv on for 18 hours a day?

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tony403:

how do i tune an atsc channel? i'm using a hauppauge 1800 on vista. i know it's not myth but the card doesn't have the support on linux. titantv shows channel 8.1 i can get so how do i tune to it?

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wagnerrp:

the 1800 works just fine for ATSC on linux/mythtv

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wagnerrp:

and thats really a question you need to ask someone who uses whatever player you are using in windows

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Lexridge:

besides, what makes you think a bunch of linux geeks would know Vista? ;)

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houkouonchi:

wagnerrp: obviously i dont watch a lot of the stuff that gets recorded

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tony403:

just by chance, would anyone know how to tune to that channel using the hauppauge wintv software? i'm very noob to all this

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houkouonchi:

but it was crap for 3 people

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houkouonchi:

and 3 tv's with frontend machines

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kevinle:

okay finally got my pvr150 remote work, but can anyone here guide me and help me get my irblaster (from irblaster.info) working?

[04:17:23]

Chicago:

tony403: Do you have a scan for channels button?

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houkouonchi:

it has 3.5TB of storage so it takes quite a bit for stuff to drop off

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tony403:

Chicago, yes, but it doesn't pick up anything. i have an antenna that came with it. i assume it's for atsc, correct?

[04:18:02]

Chicago:

No

[04:18:03]

Chicago:

radio

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Chicago:

little wirery thing?

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tony403:

Chicago, ok, i still figured it would help atsc reception if it wasn't for it anyway, correct?

[04:18:43]

Chicago:

lol

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wagnerrp:

kevinle: http://www.blushingpenguin.com/mark/blog/?p=24

[04:19:12]

kevinle:

ack thats the tutorial that messed it up in the first place

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kevinle:

lol

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kevinle:

but im not using the ir blaster from the 150

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kevinle:

im using an ir blaster i bought (serial?)

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wagnerrp:

tony403: the wintv software should come with a manual

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wagnerrp:

and if you cant it out, you cant figure it out, you should call their tech support

[04:21:21]

wagnerrp:

however there is a very real chance that the antenna you have is just insufficient to pick up any channels

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tony403:

thanks guys. i can probably figure it out but i didn't want to crawl through manuals since i'm on limited time right now and installed a few other components which i'm also dealing with

[04:22:08]

tony403:

wagnerrp, yes, i also live in a rural area

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wagnerrp:

check out http://antennaweb.org/aw/Address.aspx to figure out what kind of antenna you would likely need to pick up your local stations

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houkouonchi:

again, thanks a million clever that really made my day

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tony403:

i emailed my local cable station and got no reply so i assume they're just using all analog still

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houkouonchi:

issue solved without adding indexes or having MySQL use more memory

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wagnerrp:

i doubt it, considering theyre due to switch over in less than a month

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Chicago:

tony403: Some people recommend this antenna http://www.crutchfield.com/p_6594228HD/Channe . . . html?tp=3261

[04:25:11]

tony403:

that link only gives me one channel and it's pbs. i don't want to pay a lot of money just to pick up pbs

[04:25:38]

tony403:

i already paid for an "upgraded" card which really does worse than my pvr-150 at analog

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wagnerrp:

do you have cable tv?

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Lexridge:

that particular antenna cannot pick up anything under channel 7.

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tony403:

yes, i have cable

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wagnerrp:

then use QAM

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wagnerrp:

the 1800 can pick up clear qam channels, which should be all your local broadcast channels

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tony403:

do i set it to search for "cable" or "cable hrc" for clear qam?

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Dagmar:

Neither, most likely.

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tony403:

i googled and got in depth stuff which i don't really have time to read it all

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Dagmar:

You could always try just using the wiki.

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wagnerrp:

digital cable is typically on the 'cable high' range

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wagnerrp:

channels 78 and up

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tony403:

i will read the software manual if i can find one, thanks

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wagnerrp:

if your card didnt come with one, there should still be one online

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kevinle:

is the best method for getting the irblaster working is to use another running process or lircd?

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Dagmar:

That's likely the case

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Dagmar:

wronc ahn

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Chicago:

Alright, I have a SD situation. The channel with XMLTV ID: 11557, which I know to be WISH-HD is coming up as LWS (local weather service).

[04:50:32]

Chicago:

The channel I know to be local weather service with XMLTVID 25526, is coming up with 'unknown' here....

[04:51:16]

Chicago:

Since David Letterman is right now on WISH-HD, SD should be showing me WISH-HD is playing David Letterman, instead... (using 11557) it shows LWS.

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Chicago:

What can I do about it before I report it to SD?

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clever:

2009-01–21 00:51:10.431 NVP(0): A/V Divergence: -33.3667, Rate: 0.0131571, Warpfactor: 0.9, warpfactor_avg: 0.966825

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clever:

2009-01–21 00:51:10.435 NVP(0): Video is 30 frames behind audio (too slow), dropping frame to catch up.

[04:52:38]

clever:

trying to figure out why my video decoding is taking so much cpu power to run

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wagnerrp:

youre still sublight

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clever:

wagnerrp: that doesnt help any

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houkouonchi:

what kind of video at what res on what hardware?

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clever:

same video/res that took 30% power before my svn update

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wagnerrp:

its all standard definition

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Chicago:

I'm going to add another lineup, see if the "Local Broadcast Listings" has it right.

[04:54:44]

houkouonchi:

not using anything knew like opengl v-sync or anything like that?

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clever:

A: 6.8 V: 6.8 A-V: -0.001 ct: 0.054 0/ 0 19% 7% 1.6% 9 0 46%

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clever:

19% cpu usage in mplayer

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clever:

and improving

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clever:

houkouonchi: checking

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houkouonchi:

and I am assuming you are using xv output? which would be the lowest CPU usage video output driver (I would assume)

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clever:

2009-01–21 00:55:57.814 Video timing method: RTC

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clever:

2009-01–21 00:55:57.808 ~OpenGLVideoSync() — closing opengl vsync

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clever:

2009-01–21 00:55:57.838 GLVid: Init software conversion.

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clever:

ummm, is that gl video renderer?

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houkouonchi:

looks like it

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clever:

when did that change

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clever:

i'll go thru the profile config again

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wagnerrp:

im surprised vsync would cause much at all additional load

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clever:

the profiles are set to use ivtv xvmc xvmc xcmc and xvideo

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houkouonchi:

it looks like its not vsync its like he is using opengl for the actual vid output

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clever:

none of the rules in cpu-- are set to use gl

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clever:

i'll take a closer look at the profile config

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clever:

i checked the displayprofiles table directly, NONE of my frontends are set to use gl in ANY profile

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clever:

its just xv-blit quartz-blit xvmc-blit and ivtv

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houkouonchi:

hmm

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houkouonchi:

i duno why it would be initializing glvid then...

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clever:

and if im reading the rules displayed in the setup screen right, it should be using libmpeg2 with XVideo

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clever:

houkouonchi: http://pastebin.ca/1314345

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houkouonchi:

#

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houkouonchi:

2009-01–21 01:03:20.979 VDP: GetFilteredDeint() : opengl -> 'none'

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houkouonchi:

#

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houkouonchi:

2009-01–21 01:03:20.981 VDP: GetFilteredDeint() : opengl -> 'none'

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clever:

but what does that mean:S

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houkouonchi:

well when its trying to get a de-interlace filter it is listing openGL, i duno it might not be using openGL but just from what you said makes me think it is

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houkouonchi:

I enable openGL vsync but typically disable openGL when I compile it

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clever:

VERBOSE(VB_PLAYBACK, LOC + QString("GetFilteredDeint(%1) : %2 -> '%3'").arg(override).arg(renderer).arg(deint));

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clever:

found the exact line that printed the line you pasted

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clever:

override:none, renderer:opengl, deint: none

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clever:

so that is the problem it seems

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clever:

QString renderer = GetActualVideoRenderer();

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thedarkone:

is this 1080i 1920x1200 ?

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wagnerrp:

is what?

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houkouonchi:

i could play 720p stuff in openGL output (on mplayer and whatnot) but never 1920x1080 (i or p)

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thedarkone:

1920 x 1200

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clever:

this stuff used to play fine in mythfrontend

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wagnerrp:

1080i != 1920x1200

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clever:

before the update

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clever:

and its SD size

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dustybin:

'[Cc]leve{1,)r'

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thedarkone:

houkouonchi u using component?

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clever:

VO: [xv] 720x480 => 720x540 Planar YV12

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clever:

A: 20.1 V: 20.1 A-V: 0.001 ct: 0.054 0/ 0 15% 6% 1.6% 9 0 45%

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clever:

its using only 15% cpu

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clever:

but mythfrontend uses 100%

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dustybin:

clever: do you use LDAP ?

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clever:

nope, shadow

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dustybin:

if you got a lot of desktops and users at home, it might be worth setting up a ldap server

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clever:

yeah

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dustybin:

lots of appz can speak to ldap

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clever:

currently, i just sync the passwd/shadow files when making a new install

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dustybin:

ok

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clever:

QString GetActualVideoRenderer(void) const { QString tmp = last_video_renderer; tmp.detach(); return tmp; }

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clever:

2009-01–21 01:03:18.603 VDP: SetVideoRenderer(opengl)

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clever:

this is looking close to my problem

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clever:

http://pastebin.ca/1314362

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clever:

it tried to use ivtv for some reason, and failed

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clever:

so it fell back to opengl

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clever:

2009-01–21 01:03:18.776 GLVid: OpenGL colour conversion failed.

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clever:

Falling back to software conversion.

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clever:

that sounds like it would use ALOT of cpu:P

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thedarkone:

anyone know were i can get a xorg config for nivida 6200 hdtv component output

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wagnerrp:

the 6200 should automatically use the component output if it does not detect anything on the VGA/DVI ports

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Tzfardaya:

quick (hopefully) and simple (again, hopefully) question.. when setting up the capture card it's autodetected everything BUT the sound source, the card is capable of capturing audio natively (no need for a loopback cable) but I'm having troubles selecting with the device (system has a second, actual sound card as well)

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thedarkone:

it goes to 1024x768

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wagnerrp:

well then change it

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Tzfardaya:

and suggestions on where to look in the system for the appropreiate audio tags to configure mythtv?

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thedarkone:

well i tried into nvidia settings

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wagnerrp:

in your display section, one of the subsections, make a 'Mode "1280x720"'

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kevinle:

has anyone here gotten the channel changer via firewire for a sa3250 to work?

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wagnerrp:

if you really want to, check the wiki, or avsforum, for a modeline for your tv

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wagnerrp:

nvidia-settings should be able to do what you want as well

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thedarkone:

low format mode lol

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wagnerrp:

Tzfardaya: what is the card?

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clever:

i'll try editing the ivtv rule to use xv

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clever:

so it wont have to fall back to gl

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Tzfardaya:

not sure, second hand, but used the bttv linux driver.

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Tzfardaya:

I've had it set up before, but I can't recall wherewhat I found to place in audio...

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clever:

bttv is the driver for horid painfull cards:P

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Tzfardaya:

I knoiw, but it's all I have atm...

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clever:

and changing the ivtv rule to use xv-blit has solved my problem

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Tzfardaya:

the audio-device in capture-card-setup is looking for a full path is it not?

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Tzfardaya:

so /dev/???/??? right?

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clever:

wagnerrp: do you have that new mythui 'watch recordings' screen?

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wagnerrp:

nope, still using the old side-tabbed interface

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clever:

actualy, my problem is with that old interface

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clever:

on a recent build of trunk

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clever:

wagnerrp: do you have a jumppoint also configured?

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wagnerrp:

not using any jumppoints

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clever:

mine arent working in that window

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clever:

they seem to queue and only react when i leave

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wagnerrp:

jumppoint being jump to a different section of mythtv?

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clever:

yes

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clever:

trying to jump to 'upcomming recordings'

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wagnerrp:

i havent actually seen them anywhere but the telnet interface

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clever:

and the 'watch recordings' is still fully responsive and letting me scroll up/down

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clever:

yes i am in the telnet interface

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clever:

i'll check the keyboard

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wagnerrp:

so go into recorded programs, and try to jump to anywhere?

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clever:

correct

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clever:

then use the up/down arrows, youll see that 'recorded programs' is still responsive

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clever:

and the jump point was 'ignored'

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clever:

but if you hit escape, it will then react to the jump point

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wagnerrp:

whoops, still had the local frontend commandeering the telnet port. the vnc one wasnt doing anything

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wagnerrp:

nope, jumps out of 'recorded programs' just fine

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wagnerrp:

using 19703 currently

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clever:

MythTV Version : 19715:19722M

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wagnerrp:

the way the gentoo ebuild is set up, i dont get a version

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clever:

yeah i heard of that

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clever:

cleans the .svn stuff out

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wagnerrp:

its exported, as opposed to checked out, so theres no subversion data for it to grab a revision off of

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wagnerrp:

not necessarily cleaned, but to the same effect

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clever:

i think i saw it mentioned when reading an ebuild

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wagnerrp:

its never generated to begin with

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wagnerrp:

of course since its downloaded, compiled, installed, and deleted, theres little reason for the .svn files

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clever:

and id prefer to not download the source every time i compile

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wagnerrp:

i only pull it once every couple weeks

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clever:

ive fixed the problem of having 2 diff revisions in my tree

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clever:

posibly related, it was libs/libmythui

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wagnerrp:

two revisions?

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clever:

i had a mix of 19715 and 19722

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clever:

most of the tree was 19715

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clever:

but a few files in mythui where 722

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wagnerrp:

accidentally update in one of the subdirectories?

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clever:

libmythui itself was a mix of 2 revisions

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clever:

and it has no subdirs

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clever:

so one of the files within there(or several) got updated

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clever:

posibly related to the colisions in there when my edits hit the updates

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thedarkone:

well no matter what i do i can't get hdtv to work

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wagnerrp:

cant get what to work? cant get the video to play? cant output on component? cant output at the proper resolution?

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kevinle:

i give up on this irblaster

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kevinle:

im gonna go out and buy a tivo

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kevinle:

lol

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thedarkone:

it says low res mode

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thedarkone:

configure continue

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thedarkone:

and so on

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thedarkone:

it will work in low res mode

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wagnerrp:

kevinle: irblasters are generally considered the plaything of sado-masochists

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kevinle:

translation?

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wagnerrp:

they are an endless source of pain

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iamlindoro:

go buy a tivo

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wagnerrp:

cable or satellite?

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iamlindoro:

I think it was put best the other day... we ignore emotional blackmail here

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kevinle:

oh

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kevinle:

cable

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wagnerrp:

upgrade your STB to one with firewire

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kevinle:

it has firewire

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kevinle:

the sa3250hd doesnt change channel via firewire :(

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kevinle:

or it does something funky

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thedarkone:

any one know were i can get a xorg config file for nvidia 6200 component video

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iamlindoro:

Someday I will teach people that model of cable box has nothing to do with its firewire capabilities

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kevinle:

lol

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iamlindoro:

but needless to say the "sa3250ch" channel changer program in contrib is *not* named that way for decoration

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iamlindoro:

Firewire behavior depends on the box policies set *by your local headend*

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clever:

i found a serial cable based changer for my STB, but could never get it to work

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iamlindoro:

clever, What did your interjection add to this conversation?

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iamlindoro:

Nothing as always

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clever:

the provided scripts and control ports dont allways 'work' instantly

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clever:

they can easily be disabled

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iamlindoro:

clever, That was the *point* of what I just told him

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iamlindoro:

so go be a pain in the ass elsewhere until I go to sleep

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iamlindoro:

And then you can come back

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justinh:

hey my cable STB has USB. that must mean i can stream channels straight off the box, right? No? What? but... awww... muhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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iamlindoro:

and then you can go away again when I wake up

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kevinle:

well the sa3250ch compiles, but it doesnt change the channel at all

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kevinle:

when i do sa3250 49, i can see it punching in liek 6 numbers on the stb

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justinh:

so that's good so far

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clever:

justinh: i didnt assume i could control it thru the serial port, but i found a script that claimed to do just that

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justinh:

maybe you need it to send a 'select' or 'ok' to make the change :)

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iamlindoro:

fact that it communicates with it at all is a good start, means the port isn't *totally* disabled

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thedarkone:

any one know were i can get a xorg config file for nvidia 6200 component video ?

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justinh:

kevinle: that it gets the digits is GOOD

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kevinle:

but it types in way too many, and not even the right ones

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kevinle:

what do i do from there?

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justinh:

thedarkone: read the nvidia driver docs. they tell you what you need to do

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justinh:

kevinle: when you test the command from a terminal?

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iamlindoro:

This channel always gets better when the brits wake up. Maybe I should move

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kevinle:

yes

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kevinle:

i do, ./sa3250 49

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justinh:

iamlindoro: higher IQ per capita :D

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kevinle:

and on the stb, i see it type, 13345

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thedarkone:

justinh i was looking for a quick easy fix

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justinh:

thedarkone: and how long have you been looking for the 'quick, easy fix' ? ;)

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iamlindoro:

thedarkone, Taking a random xorg.conf that wasn't written for *your* specific box/tv/card is a almost guaranteed fail

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iamlindoro:

you can't just get any old xorg for nvidia+component out

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justinh:

5 years ago I bought a dvb-t tuner for my windows PC so I could record episodes of some TV shows now & again. Jees, now look where that 'quick fix' got me

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iamlindoro:

you need to *write* one for your situation

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wagnerrp:

or use nvidia-settings

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justinh:

kevinle: there's a good possibility all you need to do is use nvidia-settings

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kevinle:

me?

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wagnerrp:

that program should manage anything short of setting up a custom modeline

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kevinle:

why do i need to do that?

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iamlindoro:

failing that, try nvidia-xconfig

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iamlindoro:

kevinle, He misaddressed it, it's for thedarkone

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thedarkone:

well i tried to do one all i get is a blue screen

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wagnerrp:

nvidia-xconfig does little more than alter the driver line in your xorg.conf

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justinh:

oops kevinle sorry. it's not even 6:20am here :)

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, It does a bit more than that :)

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iamlindoro:

detects connected outputs and guesses at good likely to work defaults

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thedarkone:

whire and blue

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thedarkone:

white

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kevinle:

i see :(

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kevinle:

lol

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justinh:

thedarkone: your TV is going to complicate matters somewhat. not all TVs work at resolutions you'd logically expect to work

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iamlindoro:

I really ought to watch all these episodes of Fringe at some point

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justinh:

I love a good hairdressing drama, me :D

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thedarkone:

justinh my tv does 480p 720p 1080i

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iamlindoro:

it's the frosted tips episode tonight!

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justinh:

thedarkone: myers, but... it's not always as simple as that

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justinh:

anyway.. last bite of toast means it's time to head to work :)

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thedarkone:

so it a bit to get working?

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wagnerrp:

thedarkone: then you should run 720p

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iamlindoro:

Yes, it will take work. But that will happen far faster than you could ever find a random xorg.conf that would work for you

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wagnerrp:

if youre really daring, you could write a modeline to do 1366x768, but i wouldnt advise it

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kevinle:

okay so when i got to channel 50, it goes to 53

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kevinle:

i have no idea where it gets that from

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wagnerrp:

run 'X -configure', copy /root/xorg.conf.new to /etc/X11/xorg.conf, run 'nvidia-xconfig', edit xorg.conf to set the display resolution to 1280x720

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iamlindoro:

kevinle, If I had to guess, I'd say you have a dodgy/slightly incompatible firewire chipset... they vary *wildly* in quality and operation

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kevinle:

ahhh

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kevinle:

i changed CMD[2] in the c code

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kevinle:

and now it works

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iamlindoro:

cool

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kevinle:

it was set to 0x00, i set it to CTL_CMD2; to a return

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kevinle:

man i spent 16 bucks on this irblaster

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kevinle:

whack

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iamlindoro:

So all the Inauguration coverage today is easily the largest single recording I've ever made w/ Myth

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iamlindoro:

48 GB in a single scheduled item

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iamlindoro:

wang-measuring random numbers from others ensues in three... two...

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** kormoc waits for clever to pipe up about his 50 meg recording that happens to be 25% of his drive **

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iamlindoro:

I have to give it to Comcast lately-- I think maybe they've been taking the complaints about bitrates seriously-- have been seeing a lot more tolerable bitrate even on non-network channels

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jpabq:

iamlindoro: thanks for responding to the "mpegrecorder-hdpvr-v2.patch patch no longer applies to trunk" thread. I was wondering why the guy was playing with those patches, if he could not even handle that one reject by hand.

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iamlindoro:

jpabq, Not to mention a reject that wasn't even a change in code, just line number

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iamlindoro:

no problem, though

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kevinle:

finally my box is ready to go

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iamlindoro:

jpabq, No matter how delicately I put things I'm always waiting for the venomous response from the lists

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jpabq:

:)

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iamlindoro:

"Sorry for the delay in response, I couldn't find the on switch... anyway, how DARE you suggest I not run trunk!!!!"

[06:35:06]

iamlindoro:

"You, sir, are as bad as HITLER!"

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jpabq:

I can post an update to that patch easy enough, but janneg said he would probably commit it this week, and I don't think he will have any trouble with what is there.

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iamlindoro:

I'm sure can manage :)

[06:36:22]

iamlindoro:

Sometimes I'll update a patch so that the maintainer of X component knows that I am trying to meet them half way, but I think you've done your part on the HD-PVR stuff

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jpabq:

Recording using the HD-PVR is solid for me. My only grief is playback. Too many unreproducible seg faults.

[06:38:23]

iamlindoro:

jpabq, Was slightly amused by the somewhat attitude-ridden response... to himself

[06:39:07]

CCFL_Man:

iamlindoro: i'm amazed cumcast even listens to bitrate complaints

[06:39:22]

dustybin:

anybody got a link to the mythtv mailing lists?

[06:39:30]

iamlindoro:

www.mythtv.org

[06:39:31]

jpabq:

I didn't read his self reply. and it is not worth digging out of the trash.

[06:39:44]

dustybin:

WOW new design

[06:39:58]

iamlindoro:

jpabq, "FYI, for those about to suggest attempting with current trunk, it's still busted at 19770..."

[06:40:18]

jpabq:

Heh

[06:41:21]

jpabq:

Bed time. l8r

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iamlindoro:

night

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dustybin:

What are your 3 essential mythtv plugins? Mine are: MythWeb, MythVideo + MythMusic

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iamlindoro:

Who are your favorite new kids on the block? Mine are Donnie, Joey, and Markie...

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dustybin:

LOL

[06:44:16]

dustybin:

MythWeb is ace, no problems with that at all, apart from those sticky descriptions

[06:44:33]

dustybin:

MythVideo plays just about anything, works fine

[06:44:57]

dustybin:

MythMusic works fine, but the interface good do with improving to make it simpler, but im unsure how

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iamlindoro:

"could do"

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iamlindoro:

Thank god my people saved your language from you

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dustybin:

check out this video: http://hothardware.com/Articles/NVIDIAs-Ion-S . . . C-Platform-/

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iamlindoro:

You are the master of news that was hot in the channel two weeks before

[07:02:19]

dustybin:

:(

[07:03:05]

dustybin:

Those boxes might be the ultimate MythTV HD Frontend

[07:03:14]

iamlindoro:

We know

[07:03:32]

iamlindoro:

although you should look up what the word ultimate means

[07:03:45]

dustybin:

im sure justinh will find something wrong with them..

[07:03:49]

iamlindoro:

And unless it's the very last Myth box you ever had... it's not the ultimate

[07:03:59]

dustybin:

heh ok

[07:05:16]

justinh:

dustybin: oh you just found out about the nvidia ion platform eh? where you been mister ostrich?

[07:05:41]

wagnerrp:

i dont know if i would consider mythweb a plugin

[07:06:50]

justinh:

I don't know if I would consider some folks human beings, but apparently everyone here is. so there you go

[07:07:31]

dustybin:

can VDPAU use linear-blend?

[07:07:38]

justinh:

why?

[07:07:47]

justinh:

so you can fuzz up your video?

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dustybin:

thats the only one what looks nice for me

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wagnerrp:

theres linear, temporal, and advanced

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dustybin:

oh nice

[07:08:03]

justinh:

yeah well viddypow has some nice deinterlacers apparently

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justinh:

which will all work better than software

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dustybin:

wow

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wagnerrp:

typically you only run linear when you dont have the power to run the others

[07:08:35]

justinh:

wagnerrp: he doesn't :)

[07:08:36]

wagnerrp:

of course that isnt a problem with vdpau

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dustybin:

imagine that ickle nvidia box + mythtv .22 + VDPAU

[07:08:51]

justinh:

<3 greedy2x :)

[07:08:58]

wagnerrp:

the bigger issue is 1x vs. 2x deinterlacers

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justinh:

dustybin: yes, it'll take days to transcode anything with its puny CPU

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dustybin:

justinh: the GPU will do that?

[07:09:50]

justinh:

no

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dustybin:

oh

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wagnerrp:

not as of yet

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justinh:

maybe if mythtranscode is rewritten to take care of it with CUDA... but until then, stop believing the marketing hype

[07:10:33]

wagnerrp:

there seem to be interfaces to get decompressed video out of vdpau

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dustybin:

anyway, thats only a frontend, backends will do transcoding

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wagnerrp:

and you can do the transcoding with cuda

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wagnerrp:

of course this all depends on someone writing the software to do so

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justinh:

wagnerrp: yes, but mythtv no work with cuda

[07:11:04]

justinh:

yet!

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justinh:

I can imagine the ffmpeg guys will be all over it one day

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justinh:

in which case, we'll likely get it by osmosis

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justinh:

so dustybin yes, regarding nvidia ion – I DO want one

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justinh:

I'd even consider building a full system based around it, if viddypow ever proves to be more practical than xvmc. early days yet

[07:16:01]

justinh:

would really like a HD capable STB form factor mythtv system one day :)

[07:19:34]

justinh:

starting to wonder what folks with quad core based systems are going to do with all their spare cpu cycles if vdpau takes hold though...

[07:22:08]

justinh:

iamlindoro: gonna give moving backgrounds a shot at the weekend

[07:22:47]

justinh:

some blue sky with clouds :)

[07:23:49]

justinh:

I have no doubt it'll work well but not sure about how it'll look when the animation stops to load a new menu page

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** RyeBrye wants moving backgrounds... **

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justinh:

you can want them all you like, they're possible even now. like i said the only snag is where the animation stops when you go into submenus

[07:35:46]

justinh:

might be possible to do something about that but I doubt it's within my capacity

[07:35:50]

clever:

you could have a dedicated thread for the animations

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justinh:

I don't think it's even about that

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clever:

but if i think about it, gui can only be done by the original thread

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clever:

so you would have to either do all the blocking tasks in a new thread, or just do less blocking tasks

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justinh:

I think it's more to do with the way screen stacking works

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clever:

the last few programs i made with QT(atleast 3) are purely event based and can multitask with 1 thread

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clever:

yeah, from what i have seen, that stack is heavily blocking

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justinh:

so between 2 consecutive menu screens, there are effectively two backgrounds not just one

[07:37:43]

clever:

if i hit a jump point while 5 menus deep into the setup

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justinh:

that's the issue, not threading

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clever:

i can see it run back up the menu stack, showing each menu

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clever:

till its back to the root

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clever:

then it sits for 5 seconds to crunch whatever window i jumped to

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** justinh stops listening **

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clever:

i hear what you said

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clever:

each submenu is layered ontop of the last with its own background&shit

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justinh:

actually, I don't know if the animation actually stops during transitions if the _background_ is a flipbook

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justinh:

all I've done up to now is put a fullscreen image loop in there. wonder if it makes any difference

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justinh:

there's one way to find out :)

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justinh:

actually the animation only stops when going forward into a new menu

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justinh:

going backwards, it continues playing. interesting

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justinh:

hate to say this, clever might actually be right about something blocking the animation thread

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clever:

i try to avoid blocking tasks as much as posible

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clever:

could just be a bad habbit from using a language that cant even block

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clever:

mirc script has no way to do any blocking mode stuff

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kormoc:

so if your language can't block, how can you have a habit to avoid blocking?

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clever:

i learn tricks to avoid needing that feature

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clever:

storing the state in a variable and going back to the 'event loop'

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clever:

so i learn how to make the most of a single thread

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kormoc:

if it can't block no matter what you do, you're avoiding blocking...

[08:01:01]

clever:

yeah

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clever:

but now that im using QT mainly, i still avoid blocking

[08:01:23]

justinh:

or then again, the background is a child of a window, and AFAIK each menu screen is treated as a new window in the stack, so that in itself could still be the issue

[08:01:23]

clever:

and i can multitask with 5 things at once in a single thread

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kormoc:

i doubt the statement 'at once' really means what it means to developers

[08:02:15]

clever:

yeah, techinicaly its still doing one thing at a time

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clever:

but to the end user it appears to be multitasking

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justinh:

hrm. I don't think there's gonna be an easy workaround for this

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clever:

enless somebody totaly redesigns the screen stack

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clever:

has that been ported to mythui yet?

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justinh:

aha. a log from #mythtv last year has answered my question

[08:23:29]

justinh:

well, at least last year screen creation wasn't threaded off, so will block animation & stuff. dunno what the situation is now

[08:24:56]

justinh:

guess we'll just have to put this idea back under its rock for now :)

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Dibblah:

Flipbook animations are expensive, anyway ;)

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justinh:

so I said.

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justinh:

ram is cheaper now

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justinh:

besides, with a 720p theme, each frame is only 1280 * 720 * 4 bytes – assuming 32 bit colour.. or 24-bit colour with 8 bit alpha

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justinh:

so not _that_ expensive after all :)

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justinh:

then again, a while ago I was probably saying something like "yeah, but each frame is a whopping 1280x720x4 bytes in size! even a loop a couple of seconds long will eat memory! and for what?!". heh

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justinh:

so sue me :)

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jduggan:

heh

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justinh:

oops. maybe 250 frames at 1280x720 is too much

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justinh:

yup. OOM

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justinh:

WHOAH

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directhex:

OOM!

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justinh:

slight break in the frames when new menus load or no, this looks awesome

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directhex:

howe much ram eaten tho?

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justinh:

860MB, give or take

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clever:

lol

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justinh:

that's 50 frames of 1280x720

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justinh:

total mythfrontend usage though

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justinh:

at 1280x720

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justinh:

I think it's prolly worth the payoff

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directhex:

do you really need to blit the whole lot as uncompressed pixmaps? what's wrong with compressed textures? o_o

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justinh:

hey I'm just trying what's there now

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directhex:

furry muff

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justinh:

jesus. this is even better with content on top

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justinh:

just a pity about the loadimage blocking, or whatever

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justinh:

I need to get this demoed

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clever:

justinh: can you set a different background for every sub menu?

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dustybin:

I have a interview tomorrow! iamlindoro will be proud :D

[11:05:28]

directhex:

yes, he would

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directhex:

our own little dustybin all growed up?

[11:06:02]

dustybin:

'grown'

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sid3windr:

is there a way for myth frontend to "detect black bars/widescreen" or something, when outputting to a tft? my analog viewings which are widescreen are have black bars on all 4 sides on my widescreen tft :/

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jduggan:

lolz

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justinh:

sid3windr: there was a patch for that once. search the mailing lists, you know like the FAQ says to :P

[11:07:45]

dustybin:

sid3windr: r3ad th3 M4nu4l loLzzz

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sid3windr:

meh, I dislike patches as much as I dislike searching the mailing list :]

[11:08:05]

justinh:

it made it to trunk IIRC

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** sid3windr slams dustybin into a wall :] **

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dustybin:

:P

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sid3windr:

justinh: that's good news. :)

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gbee:

not in trunk yet

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gbee:

kormoc was trying to get it working with vdpau when vdpau killed his card

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BenB_:

yes, I think that's important – many poorer stations (commercial freetv) here in Germany also still send 16:9 as 4:3 with black bars.

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BenB_:

some of them put the station logo in the black part, some in the 16:9 part, so the algo would have to ignore a small, static part which is not black.

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justinh:

roflmao. paris hilton to play 'the bride of davros'. axe the show already

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justinh:

BenB_: it looks for black bars

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BenB_:

justinh: (paris hilton is a continuous gag. at first, I was disgusted. by now, I am just amused.9

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gbee:

wtf? That's the sixth new channel this month, yet only two have be removed, where is the space coming from? and why do we want or need another shopping channel? http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitaltv/a143559 . . . reeview.html

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rinaldi_:

nooo not JML

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justinh:

6 new channels?

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justinh:

I knew about the new discovery thingy, and er.. dave+1

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justinh:

read about the shopping channel but assumed it was replacing something

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justinh:

come the mux cull, I think there'll be less tat :)

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justinh:

gbee: maybe there's already enough spare bandwidth for 'rocks & co' – I mean, artifacts will make the gems look bigger :)

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gbee:

CNN, Russia Today, Dave +1, Discovery Quest, Rocks & Co ... and pretty sure there was another I just can't remember what it is atm

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rinaldi_:

how many channels should we be able to get with the bandwidth atm?

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gbee:

Net Play TV

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justinh:

rinaldi_: in the kind of quality we were used to with analogue.. 4 channels per mux

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gbee:

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitaltv/a138604 . . . w-slot.html/

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justinh:

I have to wonder exactly how cheap it is to broadcast

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justinh:

24 hour gaming? arghhh

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gbee:

if you take the primary BBC mux as an example of how it should be done – 4 channels with some additional data streams

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rinaldi_:

ok

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gbee:

on the Channel Five mux ... well there is between 10 and 15 channels, and several data services

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justinh:

aye. should be done. but when ofcom nick the bbc's mux off them & nab it for HD on dvb-t2 ...

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rinaldi_:

is there a limit to the number of muxes?

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justinh:

we can only have six

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justinh:

cos ofcom want to auction off the rest of the UHF band

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rinaldi_:

ah ok got it

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justinh:

"the digital dividend"

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directhex:

they want to sell it to mobile operators

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justinh:

course there's nothing to stop broadcasters bidding for band space

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directhex:

who will finally have enough spare bandwidth to do...

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directhex:

DVB-H!

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gbee:

read "filling the gaping holes in the government's budget"

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justinh:

dvb-h, which was found to be very nice in trials. oh wait – we'll have to PAY? EFF THAT, they said

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directhex:

gbee, filling gaping holes with radio waves o_o

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gbee:

since the 3G spectrum bonaza the government see selling public assets via auction as a way to make quick cash (and leave us short-changed in the long run)

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justinh:

so, come analogue switchoff, the bbc will lose their primary mux, and will have to move channels to other muxes. of course there's little room on them, so the bitrate will be reduced.. oh and we'll be losing interactive services

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justinh:

freesat will be much more appealing to me then :)

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rinaldi_:

I take it image quality is reduced when that happens

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justinh:

nah, they can just keep reducing the bitrate with no effect on quality :P

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justinh:

SFN will improve matters on some muxes post-analogue though

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gbee:

it

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afm:

anyone know if the 5604 and 5866 patches are still needed for the hdpvr within trunk?

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directhex:

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=16937

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gbee:

ouch

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jduggan:

hah we're seeing issues

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jduggan:

we just had to remove two seagates that we put into a raid 5 box, about 6tb

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directhex:

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1098793&cid=26542735

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mikeoscar:

can anyone give me a bit of advice... I've searched the archive and cant really find anything about this. I've got NVIDIA 180.22 drivers installed under Fedora 10, and when i run ./configure --enable-vdpau (on trunk) it always comes back with "VDPAU support: no"

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jduggan:

mikeoscar: since it's trunk, youre prolly not gonna get much support.. id suggest opening up configure, find what it looks for to determine vdpau support and start debugging

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jduggan:

:p

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mikeoscar:

heh okay

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mikeoscar:

has vdpau been backported to any branch?

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justinh:

nope

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justinh:

nor will it be

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mikeoscar:

k

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stuarta:

it's still under *heavy* development

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mikeoscar:

well thats good news in itself ;)

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mikeoscar:

i'll have a poke around,thanks anyway

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directhex:

mikeoscar, do you have the required development headers?

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jduggan:

i read above that vdpau broke kormocs card? did i read that right??

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justinh:

yup

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justinh:

bad pointer sent data godknows where, that's apparently how

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jduggan:

definitly vdpau? not just a coincidental break?

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jduggan:

ah

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jduggan:

how was that determined :)

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justinh:

because the card still works for everything other than vdpau

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jduggan:

ah

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gbee:

not sure why everyone thinks it's so unlikely that experimental drivers can kill hardware

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** directhex waits for experimental hardware which can kill drivers **

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gbee:

especially when all the evidence is to the contrary (Seagate drives anyone?)

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** clever waits for experimental drivers that can kill people! **

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** stuarta shoots clever to put him out of his misery **

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gbee:

everyone accepts that CPUs/memory can be damaged by overclocking etc, but trashing a graphics cards is "impossible" ... heh

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clever:

gbee: ive seen ways to overclock the gpu to get more FPS

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clever:

and on the tv show, they cranked it to 1000% for a second to show what happens

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clever:

and the 2d graphics for windows itself started to corrupt as the GPU didnt have time to do things

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justinh:

clever: they call those LEARNER DRIVERS over here :P

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clever:

justinh: the ones that can kill? :P

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mikeoscar:

directhex> you were right, had a brainfart moment – just remembered that i installed 180.22 from RPM

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mikeoscar:

hence no vdpau/vdpau.h

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directhex:

i'm always right!

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gbee:

mikeoscar: should be a -devel package to go with the rpm

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thefRont:

hi

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doc___:

hi

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thefRont:

i have a problem with recording through mythtv. I have a transponder with a good signal but when tuning in it often happens that I don't get a channel lock. so when I try to record this channel and it doesn't immediatly get a channel log, the recording won't work. unfortunatly when tuning in with vlc it gets a lock after a few minutes and I can watch the program

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justinh:

after a few minutes? heh

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thefRont:

yes. vlc said that it didn't get a lock, waits a few seconds and tries again

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thefRont:

after some tries it finally gets a lock and shows the program without loosing the lock again

[14:42:02]

thefRont:

when starting a recording in mythtv from this specific channel it never locks and therefor never starts recording

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thefRont:

could it be that mythtv only tries to lock once and then never retries?

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thefRont:

especially when recording

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thefRont:

any ideas?

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thefRont:

here is the log output of vlc

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thefRont:

http://pastebin.com/d3148513c

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thefRont:

it really takes some time until it gets a lock but it finally gets it. unlike mythtv which looks like to never locks. i'll have a look at the logfiles of the backend. maybe it will tell us a bit more about what's happening

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thefRont:

brb

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** justinh mutters something about a 'wait for PMT' setting **

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thefRont:

damn...now it locks immediatly...

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directhex:

PMT is something you pray to never see. why wait for it?

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justinh:

thefRont: maybe the channel is defective

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thefRont:

PMT is that thing that says which channels exist on a transponder, right?

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justinh:

forget I said anything

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justinh:

talking cod

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thefRont:

directhex: I want to log the behaviour of mythbackend when it can't lock immediatly

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justinh:

you can't pick & choose when to log

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justinh:

you can only use different levels or verbosity

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justinh:

see mythbackend --verbose help

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thefRont:

already set the logging to a more detailed state

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thefRont:

the problem is now, that it immediatly locks...well, yeah that's good, but I think tonight, when I want to do a scheduled recording it will most definitively fail

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justinh:

maybe try the 'wait for seq start' setting

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thefRont:

is enabled

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justinh:

can't remember what the help text for that setting says about it but it might be relevant

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justinh:

drop packets from the card until a seq start header is seen. try changing it, you have nothing to lose :P

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thefRont:

ignores packets in dvb recordings until a start sequence was found in the header

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justinh:

definitely think the channel is broken though

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justinh:

broadcasters are always doing non-standard stuff

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shadash:

time warner in San Diego signal drops every 3–5 minutes

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thefRont:

ok, I'll wait a bit... at the moment it works flawlessly

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shadash:

screen jumbles and sound skipps

[15:23:28]

shadash:

I called their service office and they told me that it is a "known issue"

[15:23:52]

shadash:

It's been going on for the last 2 weeks

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thefRont:

"known issues" that don't get fixed... this is typical ;)

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shadash:

Time Warner cable sux

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shadash:

It's dropping b/c I live by the beach, it's very heavly populated and they've oversold the service

[15:25:28]

shadash:

Time Warner wants to collect their money but they don't want to upgrade their network

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shadash:

I'm gonna get dish network

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shadash:

Dealing with Time Warner is stupid. They don't care about their subscribers.

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shadash:

they put me on hold for 20 minutes waiting to speak with a tech

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shadash:

We have a support office in my company and people are rarely on hold over 2–3 minutes

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shadash:

Grrrr....

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shadash:

Gov sponsored Monopolies

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thefRont:

shadash: ever watched the first episode of IT crowd?

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GreyFoxx:

God I love that show

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mikeoscar:

is trunk actually functional at the moment, i've had a bizarre problem for a few days – even tried on different installs of Ubuntu and Fedora... basically Xorg is using 100% of CPU as soon as myth's UI is opened

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mikeoscar:

i've tried UseEvents in xorg.conf

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mikeoscar:

and OpenGL vsync is disabled

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GreyFoxx:

Works fine for me. Though I don't use the OpenGL painter

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GreyFoxx:

so I can't comment on that part

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mikeoscar:

im using QT at the moment as it happens

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mikeoscar:

if i leave mythfrontend running for maybe 10 mins, it'll get to the main menu

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mikeoscar:

but then if i select a submenu it'll hang some more

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GreyFoxx:

Crazy. Tried running with -v all ?

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GreyFoxx:

What kind of processor / ram ?

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mikeoscar:

with -v all theres ALOT of spam about MythUIImage

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GreyFoxx:

What kind of processor / ram ?

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mikeoscar:

its an AMD, 2GB of urrm

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mikeoscar:

533 i think

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mikeoscar:

AMD 5000+

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mikeoscar:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 87?page=last

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mikeoscar:

this is the exact problem

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GreyFoxx:

Odd, while you should see a bunch of MythUIImage stuff, but it shouldn't be on going

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mikeoscar:

but it was never closed

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GreyFoxx:

On a processor like that, with 2G of ram you shouldn't notice it at all

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GreyFoxx:

My first suggestion is to clear your themecache, see if it still does it

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mikeoscar:

yea – 0.21 builds and works fine

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GreyFoxx:

Out of curiousity, how recent of a trunk build, and what theme

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mikeoscar:

its just GANT

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clever:

mythfrontend --version

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mikeoscar:

and i pulled this morning, i'll get a version

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mikeoscar:

19771

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mikeoscar:

yea still happens after dumping my themecache

[15:51:11]

mikeoscar:

is there a way, using gdb, to see whats spinning Xorg?

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mikeoscar:

im only really used to windows debugging unfortunatly, i'd use !runaway with WinDBG

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** sphery wonder what would happen if mikeoscar disables alphapulse... **

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clever:

linux has a profiler which can show what function any program is stuck within(or just using alot)

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clever:

look for 'oprofile'

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mikeoscar:

what is alphapulse?

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sphery:

it's what "animates" the G.A.N.T menus

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mikeoscar:

ah, so disable it in GANT?

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mikeoscar:

in the xml?

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sphery:

look in /usr/{,local/}share/mythtv/themes/G.A.N.T/base.xml and comment it out

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sphery:

or try switching themes to one that doesn't use alphapulse (i.e. blue)

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sphery:

I love it when someone on the -users list complains about an "annoying and counter-intuitive" feature of MythTV that happens to be one that's disabled by default (meaning they had to enable it themselves).

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mikeoscar:

disabling it didnt have any effect

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mikeoscar:

i purged the themecache again after changing it too

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clever:

sphery: i see that thread, and he doesnt seem to understand that the 'deleted' shit will expire before the 'autoexpire' stuff

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sphery:

you may need to restart the frontend for it to "take", but it's not likely the problem (just the one theme that uses alphapulse, so it was a possibility)

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sphery:

clever: yeah... I probably should have said that, too.

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clever:

i usualy try to keep a buffer of deleted shows

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clever:

but thats been imposible lately, 700mb free on my drive

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sphery:

3.5TB free on my drives :)

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clever:

ship me one of the platters:P

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sphery:

3 small HDD failures does wonders for Myth (now that buying a large hard drive costs about the same as buying a large hard drive and since none of my systems other than Myth can actually benefit from large hard drives, I just buy Myth-sized drives (1.5TB) and roll the smallest Myth drives down to the system with a failed drive)

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clever:

sphery: the hotpluging on my sata board doesnt seem to function

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clever:

any idea how to see if its disabled or somethign?

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sphery:

no clue... I only recently started to venture into the world of sata

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clever:

same, ive never even writen to an sata drive yet

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clever:

the sata chip is hotplug capable acording to the site

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clever:

so i carefully pulled the sata cord out, then the molex power

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clever:

but it still shows in /proc/partitions

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clever:

its a ghost!

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sphery:

My 1.5TB drives are all SATA (and all in machines whose mobo didn't have SATA support :) and I had one failed 750GB SATA drive. I'm only switching now because SATA is much cheaper than PATA, anymore.

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clever:

now that i think of it, rmmod sata_via might do something

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sphery:

and, I've /never/ done hot-plugging with SATA (closest was with eSATA on a Windows box)

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clever:

Jan 21 12:10:36 media kernel: [129610.715190] ata3.00: disabled

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clever:

Jan 21 12:10:36 media kernel: [129610.716377] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Stopping disk

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clever:

Jan 21 12:10:36 media kernel: [129610.716566] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] START_STOP FAILED

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clever:

Jan 21 12:10:36 media kernel: [129610.716580] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Result: hostbyte=DID_BAD_TARGET driverbyte=DRIVER_OK,SUGGEST_OK

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clever:

this might do

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clever:

removing and reloading the driver will probly rescan the sata 'bus'

[16:11:31]

clever:

though i should probly rmmod 1st next time, to totaly sever the connection

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clever:

sphery: its not realy a 'sata' board, its a 'sata+pata+usb' board

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dustybin:

clever: have you had any encounters with iamlindoro today?

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clever:

i think it was mainly justinh today:P

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dustybin:

hehehe

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iamlindoro_:

*cough*

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iamlindoro_:

It's like he *wants* me to yell at him

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iamlindoro_:

"Please, someone, give me a chance to TALK"

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clever:

i could pipe dmesg into here if you want:P

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kormoc:

clever, jesus h christ, stop the pasting into the channel numbnuts. the rules still apply to you no matter what your delusional brain things...

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kormoc:

clever, I double dog dare you to...

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clever:

kormoc: i was only joking! :P

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dustybin:

kormoc: 'thinks'

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kormoc:

I don't really care, it wasn't funny

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dustybin:

I don't care either, was doing a impression of iamlindoro_ :P

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tomtom099:

where is the best place to ask for LIRC support?

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clever:

#lirc

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jams:

oh nice on a conf call, and somebody just introduced hold music

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iamlindoro_:

Someone in here mentioned having a moko, didn't they? Sphery maybe?

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sphery:

i have one

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: why?

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Wondering if you've poked at the development tools at all-- My company is looking at it as the platform for a prototype medical device we're developing-- it has some nice features we're interested in

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iamlindoro_:

!trout iamlindoro_ preemptiveOfftopic

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** MythLogBot slaps iamlindoro_ with a preemptiveOfftopic trout on behalf of iamlindoro_... **

[17:38:39]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: More interested in general impression with it, don't need specifics

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: haven't done much at all... They're using OpenEmbedded/BitBake

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: OK... so no general impressions you'd care to share?

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sphery:

supports pretty much any toolkit you'd want to use (GTK, Qt) as well as X

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iamlindoro_:

build quality/state of the software/etc.?

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sphery:

I'll just say that it still has a ways to go before it's like a cell phone you get from a provider. :)

[17:41:07]

sphery:

Nice platform, hardware support is improving nicely, but still requires a certain stubbornness to use it as a phone.

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iamlindoro_:

Yeah, we don't necessarily need it for that-- we'd just like a standard linux dev environment, and the GPS/Accelerometer/GSM functionality opens up some good data gathering tools for us

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iamlindoro_:

In fact, for our purposes we'd want to prevent subjects from using it as a phone entirely (while having access to the GSM data services from our software)

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shadash:

what are you gonna do stick it on patients back to track them?

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iamlindoro_:

not exactly

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shadash:

put it on their clipboard?

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sphery:

the GPS and accel are 2 of the hardware devices that seem the least reliable to me (with the distro I have--actually, I haven't tested it with 2008.12, but did with 2008.9). They're improving support/reliability a lot, though (it's the current focus).

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shadash:

so the patient + doc notes don't get separtated?

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sphery:

"it's" = "reliability is"

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iamlindoro_:

shadash: Without your knowing what it is we're doing I can't make it make sense... and I can't divulge what we do

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shadash:

:-p

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Interesting... it may be enough to us-- with the accelerometer we may just need a "it moved"

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Orientation/altitude/et al are of less importance

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: GPS would just be a value-add so that's not the end of the world either

[17:47:19]

sphery:

GPS is actually very stable if you're not heavily using the display (i.e. updating a map all the time)

[17:48:05]

sphery:

The accels work fine, but sometimes just stop giving data. There's a lot of discussion (and possibly even workarounds/fixes) on teh list about it. I don't really read those lists, though, so I'm not the best for info.

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: For our purposes (data gathering during prototype clinical trials) we'd want to turn off the screen without some serious intervention anyway

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sphery:

probably the biggest issue for you would be battery. It does pretty well now compared to when first released, but it's kind of a charge every day thing.

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Looking at it *purely* as a portable data gathering device, and the GPS/Accel/GSM stuff would give us more good data

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Yeah, that's fine, we'd be powering it and our device off a power umbilical

[17:49:27]

iamlindoro_:

so it'd only need enough battery to weather an external battery change anyway

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sphery:

I'd say it's worth looking into. If nothing else, buy one device to play with. In the grand scheme of things, that's probably not a big cost for a company, so...

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sphery:

If that's the case, you'd be fine. And, it's easy to power--USB power--and you can use the same USB for networking/data.

[17:50:53]

sphery:

I'm having a dilemon right now...

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Cool, thanks for the offtopic insight

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sphery:

Writing a script to show "Available Storage Used by:" (LiveTV/Deleted/Watched shows). If I use MythTV::Recording I get the filesize info I need. If I use MythTV::Program, it's not there. But, MythTV::Recording is an order of magnitude (or more) slower.

[17:52:50]

clever:

sphery: i just went directly into the db and ran querys on the recorded table

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clever:

it works and aslong as the schema doesnt change, it wont break

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sphery:

So, I could just turn it into a $Myth->{'dbh'}, but then I'm not doing what I tell others they should do (use the bindings, not direct DB access).

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clever:

yeah:S

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sphery:

clever: yep, that's the dilema

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clever:

i usualy just do querys directly in the mysql console

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sphery:

I'm looking to see if there's a way to use MythTV::Program and then retroactively populate the filesize when required

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clever:

and if i use them often enough, i just make php run it for me

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clever:

that sounds slow just the way you say it:P

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clever:

i can just select sum(filesize) from recorded where autoexpire=1 and recgroup !='deleted'

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clever:

and instantly have tht total number of bytes for autoexpire content

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clever:

you could edit mythtv itself to do such a thing on its own, and then add that to the bindings:P

[17:56:01]

clever:

win win!

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sphery:

using MythTV::Program and looping over each recording isn't slow--well, on anyone's hardware except yours

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laga:

sphery: win

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sphery:

clever: I'm planning on putting the info into Myth, but want to post a script for -fixes users.

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clever:

ahhh, trying to avoid patching the source in 5 diff brances

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clever:

bindings are less likely to have changed

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sphery:

I think it's the fact that MythTV::Recording hits the DB that slows it down.

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clever:

sounds like each poke at the bindings will lead to 1(or more) sql querys

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clever:

200 recordings, 400 sql querys....

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Dibblah:

sphery: Depends if you're looking at the files or just the DB.

[18:03:16]

Dibblah:

If it's the files, some people (OK, it's me) spin down their media drives.

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sphery:

Dibblah + clever: MythTV::Program only looks at the data I provide it (which comes straight from the MBE--not even the DB. MythTV::Recording takes that data and uses it to hit the DB to pull additional garb^H^H^H^Hinfo, like the transcoder name, the cutlist, etc. MythTV::Recording also checks to see if the file is available if it's local (but on my system--where it was slow creating a MythTV::Recording for each of 542 ...

[18:07:14]

sphery:

... recordings--none are local, so it never hit the filesystem).

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clever:

stty erase ^?

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sphery:

However, since I have all the data, I'm just using MythTV::Program and then converting the filesize bytes into a filesize (so I don't get the extra garbage).

[18:08:44]

sphery:

Oh, and it's fast this way (and uses the bindings :).

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sphery:

Now to make it look pretty on the backend status page (the text output format works, so just the misc status info format to do now)

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sphery:

Heh... Posted the script, and there's an easter egg (joke) in it for anyone who actually reads the code.

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iamlindoro_:

I post questions about the code on the users list so that people can parse and read it FOR me, duh

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sphery:

which one is that?

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iamlindoro_:

Real Estate

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sphery:

oh

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sphery:

I just compacted my folder and had deleted those... I'll have to go to the archive

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iamlindoro_:

not worth the effort

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sphery:

I'm starting to wonder if having deleted MythPhone is a good enough reason to mark the MythPhone bugs as wontfix...

[18:52:24]

sphery:

guess it's just those lazy devs

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iamlindoro_:

I think using mythphone as kindling for MythZoneMinder and MythFlix sounds nice :)

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sphery:

yeah, those are 2 that I don't build

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dustybin:

remove the un-used plugins and concentrate on the popular used ones

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dustybin:

mythzoneminder kicks ass

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iamlindoro_:

Ah, our project lead speaks

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laga:

rotfl

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dustybin:

I, Sir Dustybin (MythTV CEO)

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BenB_:

dustybin: I, lawyer, sueing you for abuse of the MythTV (R) trademark

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dustybin:

LOL

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afm:

anyone know if the two patches 5604 and 5866 are still needed for myth and hdpvr...they seem a bit old to still be relevant

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iamlindoro_:

Read the wiki

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afm:

i am...but it also still has a link to the beta firmware

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iamlindoro_:

The wiki instructions are correct and up to date

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Dagmar:

I'm sure some penicillin will clear those links right up

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afm:

the firmware link is old....ftp://ftp.shspvr.com/download/wintv-hdpvr/hdpvr1.0.3.53beta.zip and current is ftp://ftp.shspvr.com/download/wintv-hdpvr/hdpvr1.0.5.3_whql.zip

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afm:

1.0.5.4beta is out as well

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iamlindoro_:

afm: The wiki links firmware that is tested by the driver author

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iamlindoro_:

New firmware can and has broken the driver on several occasions

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iamlindoro_:

so once again...

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iamlindoro_:

the wiki is correct and up to date

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iamlindoro_:

also, the linked firmware says nothing about being the altest, just says that as of that firmware AC3 muxing is available

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iamlindoro_:

latest

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mikeoscar:

could really use some help now, i posted earlier that i was having a problem with Fedora 10 and mythtv trunk causing Xorg to use 100% processor time

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mikeoscar:

it did this on Ubuntu 8.10 too, so i figured i'd try it on 8.10 64-bit, and it's doing the same thing there

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kormoc:

so attach a profiler or similar and see what's causing it

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mikeoscar:

does anyone have any ideas – it's compiled with only --enable-vdpau, using Nvidia drivers 180.22, everything else is totally default

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wagnerrp:

vdpau is a demonstration feature only, you will get very little help trying to use it

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wagnerrp:

however chances are thats not the problem

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wagnerrp:

just for kicks though, try playback profiles with and without using vdpau, and see if that makes a difference

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wagnerrp:

what kind of hardware are you running this on

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mikeoscar:

its an AMD5000+, 2GB

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mikeoscar:

i cant even get in far enough to change playback profiles

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wagnerrp:

so the issue happens as soon as you open up the frontend?

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mikeoscar:

yes, or mythtv-setup

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mikeoscar:

if i leave mythfrontend running long enough

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mikeoscar:

15 mins or more

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mikeoscar:

then it'll get to the main menu

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Chutt:

-v all?

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wagnerrp:

my guess is that your drivers are not setup properly, and youre using the opengl drawer

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wagnerrp:

so its reverting back to mesa emulation

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mikeoscar:

i'm using QT

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mikeoscar:

at least i should be...

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wagnerrp:

try forcing it

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mikeoscar:

by compiling without openGL support?

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wagnerrp:

defining the qt painter on the command line

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wagnerrp:

'--theme-painter=qt'

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Chutt:

err, -O ThemePainter=Qt

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wagnerrp:

yeah, that didnt seem right

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wagnerrp:

teach me to trust google and some mailing list archive

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mikeoscar:

http://pastebin.com/m1bbb55b6 – thats a -v all... forcing the painter didnt help any

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Chutt:

mikeoscar, that's 3 seconds of normal operation

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mikeoscar:

it'll do that for a further 20 mins

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Chutt:

i doubt that.

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mikeoscar:

i'll leave it running then

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mikeoscar:

just a mo

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Chutt:

need from the beginning, too, not just from wherever you feel like starting the log

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mikeoscar:

wilco

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wagnerrp:

is there some sort of limit to pastebin? or just however large your clipboard can handle?

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mikeoscar:

that was just the limit of my terminal 'scroll-back'

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wagnerrp:

oh... log to a file

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mikeoscar:

i'll paste from file next time

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mikeoscar:

yea

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wagnerrp:

if you leave it scrolling to the terminal, that will eat up a lot of CPU just for that

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fuxxy:

iamlindoro: what mobo did you say you just got? micro ATX Asus.. what?

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mikeoscar:

yea its not doing it now, a slapped a > output.log on the end, hopefully that should do the trick

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fuxxy:

iamlindoro: we discussed it before, I thought it was the P5N7A-VM ?

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iamlindoro_:

fuxxy: Whichever their 9300 board is... blah blah-VM

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fuxxy:

iamlindoro_: and you havent had any thermal issues, BIOS compatibility, or random shutdowns?

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mikeoscar:

http://pastebin.com/m165d2081

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iamlindoro_:

No, no random shutdowns, solid as a rock

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mikeoscar:

thats 3 and a bit mins, but trust me – it'll take at least 15 mins to get to the main menu

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fuxxy:

iamlindoro_: what CPU are you running in it?

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iamlindoro_:

Q6600

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fuxxy:

hah!

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mikeoscar:

i dont have the backend running, but it doesnt make any diffence to the speed

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wagnerrp:

you *need* the backend running

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wagnerrp:

or else the frontend complains and does nothing

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fuxxy:

just found myself a Q6600 on a FS/T forum for $125 :)

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wagnerrp:

of course that isnt until it opens up into the gui

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mikeoscar:

yea it doesnt get that far

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wagnerrp:

it should take 15 minutes one way or the other

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fuxxy:

iamlindoro_: thanks for the info, I guess that quells my concerns with this board.

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iamlindoro_:

np

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fuxxy:

iamlindoro_: did you update BIOS when you got it, or are you still running what came OEM?

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iamlindoro_:

Same BIOS

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fuxxy:

hmm, ok.

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wagnerrp:

X is only pegged when mythfrontend is trying to start?

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mikeoscar:

yea

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wagnerrp:

dump your theme cache, and try again

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mikeoscar:

i've tried that, didnt help :(

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clever:

im getting weird results with the sata_via driver, when using the pata port on the card

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clever:

it keeps doing 'ata5: soft resetting port'

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mikeoscar:

something makes me think its a upnp issue, but thats based on no fact at all

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Dagmar:

Is MythTV making hardware drivers now?

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clever:

Dagmar: the drive contains mythtv recordings, so its somewhat mythtv related:P

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gbee:

well why not? everyone seems to already think that we do

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mikeoscar:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 87?page=last

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mikeoscar:

that is some others with the same issue i tihnk

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Chutt:

mikeoscar, check the date/timestamp of the installed files

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mikeoscar:

sorry, what do you mean?

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Chutt:

clean out everything myth related in /usr/local (lib, share)

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mikeoscar:

ok

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Chutt:

make sure your hdd is running ok (ie, hdparm -tT or whatever it is these days)

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wagnerrp:

someone actually posted a ticked about myth 0.20?

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wagnerrp:

and mythphone no less

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justinh:

somebody misses it already ?

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clever:

weird

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clever:

when i did 'killall mythfrontend mythwelcome'

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wagnerrp:

no, seems theyre using 0.20

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clever:

my mysql server failed

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wagnerrp:

linuxmce perhaps?

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justinh:

oh dear

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iamlindoro_:

#6156 seems sorta feature requestish

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wagnerrp:

oh, no

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clever:

this seems heavily related to all 'background tasks' in rc.local dying when the X server goes down

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wagnerrp:

the ticket was from 2 years ago

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gbee:

wagnerrp: was posted 2 years ago, just closed

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wagnerrp:

it just got closed, right

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gbee:

iamlindoro: thanks for the reminder, I was about to close that as invalid when I was distracted

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iamlindoro_:

np :)

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: case you missed it I plonked a sequence of images into base.xml as a background today. a little ott, not very subtle & too fast but it looked sweet. I'm dying to be able to use that now, and after everything I've said about flipbooks

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wagnerrp:

is there any simple way to access the telnet jumppoints?

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wagnerrp:

or do i have to write a little socket script, and call it with irexec

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: Hehehe, nice, I bet it looks sweet-- yes, I read in the scrollback. I think I will hold off on doing that kind of thing until it's possible to use a video file as source, but still neat to have the option

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gbee:

justinh: hmm, yet to try that

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: if you want to download the files to give you a good idea, feel free. they're at http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/trythis/

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justinh:

it's pretty eye-popping IMHO

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: Cool, will play with that when I get home

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justinh:

the loop is broken but I don't have enough ram to hold all 250 frames :P

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: What'd you use to create the animation?

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justinh:

I grabbed a 'free video loop' off the internet – 640x480 wmv & stripped out the frames with ffmpeg into pngs

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mikeoscar:

rm *myth* and then make install didnt help any

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iamlindoro_:

ah, cool

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: for the real thing I'd concoct my own – only way to be sure of licencing etc

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iamlindoro_:

Yeah

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mikeoscar:

tried changing to a lower resolution, that didnt help either

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justinh:

turns out that the animation isn't just stopped on menu loading.. seems the load action in watch recordings & mythvideo halts it too.. i.e. when you scroll forwards through lists

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Chutt:

yes, anything using the ui thread blocks it

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Chutt:

part of the point of mythui was to not have things block the ui thread

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Chutt:

but none of the rewrites have done that yet :p

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justinh:

heh. I'll give it time then. It certainly adds a certain 'wow' IMHO

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directhex:

yay threads!

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justinh:

guy at work who saw it quipped "ah so mythtv has finally caught up with tivo", before relating the tale of how he couldn't use his tivo all last night on account of it fixing itself

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mikeoscar:

i think vdpau and ion are going to mean very good things for mythtv

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mikeoscar:

and i've fixed my little problem

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mikeoscar:

or, rather, determine what it was

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** fuxxy looks for ways to playback blu-ray on Myth. **

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mikeoscar:

why would the size of shared ram allocated to my video card cause Xorg to consume 100% processor time when running myth?

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mikeoscar:

128 work, 256 works, 512 doesnt work (but yet works fine with mplayer-vdpau)

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fuxxy:

mikeoscar: if the processor is having to constantly swap textures to and from system RAM, mabye?

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mikeoscar:

it'd do less swappign with more video ram though, surely

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fuxxy:

mikeoscar: yeah, you're right. Didn't notice that 128 worked also.

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fuxxy:

What is the "Internal" player based off of?

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GreyFoxx:

Itself

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GreyFoxx:

Uses the libavcodec/ffmpeg libraries

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fuxxy:

It was coded from scratch?

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GreyFoxx:

but it's not based off another player

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fuxxy:

hmm.

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fuxxy:

Thanks.

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kuki_n_on_gas:

is there any hope for blu-ray

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kuki_n_on_gas:

?

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GreyFoxx:

Hope sure, they can play and decode some stuff

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GreyFoxx:

it's just not complete or ready for general public consumption

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kuki_n_on_gas:

or should we all go down to sony hq with a big pile of hd-dvds and throw them at them

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GreyFoxx:

Though you can certainly use anydvd to rip them todisk and play them

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kuki_n_on_gas:

anydvd is that m$ bloatware?

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iamlindoro_:

AnyDVD has nothing to do with MS and isn't bloatware, so... no

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GreyFoxx:

It's a windows app, not a Microsoft product

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GreyFoxx:

And apparently is very good at what it does

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wagnerrp:

you can run it under vmware if you like

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wagnerrp:

but wine wont cut it

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GreyFoxx:

vmware+usb bluray drive

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GreyFoxx:

and then you can rip em to disk decrypte

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GreyFoxx:

d\

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wagnerrp:

it has to be USB? not an internal one?

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GreyFoxx:

I imagine pass through would work too

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iamlindoro_:

I've had it work with internal

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clever:

ive heard of using linux usb snoop to monitor the usb

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fuxxy:

You can also rip them to disk with DumpHD, native on linux.

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clever:

while its being 'pass thru'ed to vmware

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iamlindoro_:

fuxxy: DumpHD is close to useless

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clever:

allowing you to snoop on closed source windows usb drivers for anything

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kuki_n_on_gas:

bummer only got windows on work laptop

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fuxxy:

iamlindoro_: Care to elaborate?

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iamlindoro_:

DumpHD natively only handles AACS, and only with a key lib. There is a very VERY new library being worked on to handle BD+ which is so new as to also be nearly useless... in short, you can reip a *very* limited number of Bluray Disks in linux... and all of them with AnyDVD

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iamlindoro_:

and no hunting down correct key files with AnyDVD

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mikeoscar:

does anydvd handle BD+ again?

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fuxxy:

iamlindoro_: From what I've read, the key files are still necessary to decrypt. I wonder how AnyDVD handles them.

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iamlindoro_:

Yes, AnyDVD can currently handle all known disks

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iamlindoro_:

fuxxy: All known AACS and BD+ implementations are included with AnyDVD

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iamlindoro_:

if it needs a new lib, it contacts their server and pulls it

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gbee:

once they've cracked that alternate

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iamlindoro_:

correct

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iamlindoro_:

But the OSS implementation is so neo-natal that it has no real relevance to actual use ATM

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sphery:

so are they out of the US?

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iamlindoro_:

Antigua

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sphery:

how have they not been sued to oblivion?

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iamlindoro_:

See above :)

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iamlindoro_:

I'd love to sit on the beach all day and crack BD+

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iamlindoro_:

or better yet, s/and crack BD+//

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sphery:

still, iamlindoro_ , the MPAA/RIAA haven't let borders or politics stop them much before...

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gbee:

what are the chances that seeing their efforts so easily dismissed, the studios will go the way of RIAA and give up on copy protection

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sphery:

I guess, though, they'll just sue everyone who buys a copy of AnyDVD... :)

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gbee:

?

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Antigua apparently has laws favorable to all that kind of thing

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iamlindoro_:

gbee: I believe it'll happen *eventually*, but is still a long ways off (despite optimism expressed by some on the users list)

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sphery:

guess the anydvd employees just have to stay out of the US for eternity (ask Skylarov why)

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iamlindoro_:

I personally have no problem whatsoever with heavy digital watermarking... I have desire to share or steal media, so I'll happily let them watermark it if I can use it on all my devices

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gbee:

the only way to effectively combat piracy is to reduce the prices of BluRay to the point where you remove the motivation from purchasers

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wagnerrp:

sphery: there has not yet been a court case in which a user had been found guilty of breaking DMCA for personal use

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iamlindoro_:

I love owning my media, I don't have any interest in downloading stuff... but I want to be able to watch it where I want, too

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sphery:

gbee: IIRC, at least some of the studios have gone on record saying that it's the home user (potential) pirate and not the commercial pirates that they're worried about. I.e. if we make it so that it requires some (any amount of) work to get around the protections, then we've stopped 90% of the people who might have tried to copy stuff...

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gbee:

so long as Bluray is 2x the price of DVDs they are just handing money to the pirates

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Chutt:

bluray's only a couple bucks more than dvd, generally.

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wagnerrp:

as long as youre not downloading/uploading it, there is no legal precedence for them to go after you, only the people who make the software

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sphery:

where we does not include me

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gbee:

Chutt: not over here :/

[20:52:18]

sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, and court cases (and the results thereof) haven't really stopped the RIAA/MPAA, yet, either.

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gbee:

might have changed in recent weeks given the bad xmas trading etc

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Chutt:

gbee, ok, it's a few pounds more :p

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iamlindoro_:

Bluray can be pretty cost-competitive when it's *brand* new/hot but the less popular/old titles seem to creep back up to the $30 range

[20:53:37]

iamlindoro_:

I love TV disks, and that's where they really hurt you :(

[20:53:49]

sphery:

yeah, especially Food network

[20:54:37]

iamlindoro_:

Buying all the TV I could find on HD-DVD and ripping to MythVideo was the best decision ever, given I've had them for months and months and now they're being re-released on Blu-ray for 3x the price :)

[20:55:18]

sphery:

nice... gotta love the HD-DVD firesales :)

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iamlindoro_:

Star Trek Season 1, BSG Season 1, Planet Earth, etc. All about $10–12

[20:55:52]

iamlindoro_:

(each)

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GreyFoxx:

ugh

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GreyFoxx:

I really gotta see if I can find any of that still around

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iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx: ast I checked a month or two ago there was still plenty online

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iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx: first hit: http://hddvdboxsets.com/?gclid=CNzm1Z3GoJgCFQUWGgod51momw

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GreyFoxx:

I should pick up one of the drives that does both

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iamlindoro_:

Transformers, $5 :)

[20:56:59]

iamlindoro_:

Serenity, $5 :)

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iamlindoro_:

Saw Xbox HD-DVD drives for about $30 a while back

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GreyFoxx:

I want one of those LG's that does both

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iamlindoro_:

yeah, those seem nice

[20:58:06]

iamlindoro_:

They're not really being made any more so if you buy a drive, do it soon

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iamlindoro_:

http://cgi.ebay.com/LG-GGC-H20L-BLU-RAY-HD-DV . . . 1%7C294%3A50

[20:58:58]

iamlindoro_:

Ugh, ugly link, sorry

[20:59:01]

iamlindoro_:

anyway, $106 buy it now

[20:59:49]

iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx: http://forum.doom9.org/archive/index.php/t-139522.html

[21:00:06]

iamlindoro_:

That is the firmware patch for that drive to disable AACS auth and read the disc volume ID

[21:00:24]

iamlindoro_:

(which allows you to generate your own AACS keys easily for DumpHD)

[21:00:50]

wagnerrp:

so that whole firmware thing is unnecessary with anydvd

[21:00:59]

iamlindoro_:

yeah

[21:01:21]

wagnerrp:

but i guess it lets you do ripping without vmware

[21:01:27]

iamlindoro_:

some, anyway

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: Sweet, thanks

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: is your PBB->MV code handling non-local files (i.e. if you have multiple backends and the file is on one that doesn't have "frontend" directories mounted)? Might also want to talk to GreyFoxx about the MV Storage Group support.

[21:04:03]

sphery:

(technically, could happen with only one dedicated backend that has only remote frontends)

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Would need to update it for all that, initially I'm just doing it presuming local/mounted access to each

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GreyFoxx:

Writing to SG's presumes local access as it is

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sphery:

I just figured it would get a /lot/ easier once the SG code is there.

[21:04:52]

GreyFoxx:

you can read from any SG, but I don't believe anywhere in the code cna you write to one via SG itself

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iamlindoro_:

once I get the mechanics figured out I'll figure out how to make it work as a backend function

[21:05:23]

sphery:

GreyFoxx: right, so real support for across-network writing needs to come after the SG code

[21:06:01]

sphery:

and, really, needs more than just SG support (as an SG is simply a logical name for a /group/ of directories and we need to know which directory to use)

[21:06:03]

iamlindoro_:

I've got something that I think *should* workish right now, minus frontend configuration screens, but I'll try to finish it up tonight

[21:07:12]

sphery:

cool

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iamlindoro_:

It may just be one of those things that in the short term only works under those circumstances-- will do my best to adapt it to any new storage group code, though

[21:08:01]

sphery:

that's fine... in general, plugin stuff is considered local only

[21:09:21]

sphery:

I've been considering writing a patch to allow moving files from dir to dir within an SG or from one SG's dir to a dir in another SG or from one host to another (same or different dir/SG). Haven't gotten around to it just yet, though.

[21:10:12]

sphery:

For anything in an SG, it's easy enough to do it by using the normal playback streaming. For MV without SG, though, I wouldn't touch it. :)

[21:10:56]

iamlindoro_:

That issue will be solved ever so shortly :)

[21:11:35]

iamlindoro_:

And would vastly simplify what I'm doing in this patch (or, at least, simplify doing it when all are storage groups)

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sphery:

yep, so maybe I should do some SG move code so you can use that once MV has SG's

[21:12:10]

iamlindoro_:

Well I would appreciate that anyway :)

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sphery:

and I would for the move recordings capability :)

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sphery:

(even if I don't move them to MV)

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iamlindoro_:

Wouldn't even require anything fancy to move PBB->MV since they'll both just be Storage groups as far as the backend is concerned

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sphery:

yep

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sphery:

though the metadata support you have would be nice

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mkrufky:

i just realized.... how could i let such a premiere event day go by without saying hi in #mythtv-users

[21:26:10]

** mkrufky believes in LOST **

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justinh:

lost... the plot? hehehe

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mkrufky:

either you believe or you dont...

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iamlindoro_:

mkrufky: Yes, I'm psyched

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Dagmar:

justinh: I know full well they had no plot for the first season and a half, but it's _amazing_ what a job they did of making something less-than-ludicrous out of it through Season 4.

[21:30:31]

Dagmar:

I was really impressed.

[21:30:43]

Dagmar:

No doubt it's all a complete steaming pile of crap

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Dagmar:

Season 4 is just a damn miracle

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jduggan:

lost is on tonight?

[21:33:20]

Dagmar:

7PM CST

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justinh:

Dagmar: by the end of the 1st 20 minutes I sat down to watch, they lost me forever. hey ho

[21:33:20]

jduggan:

in .US?

[21:33:23]

Dagmar:

...although I think the first hour is just a "quick recap"

[21:33:36]

iamlindoro_:

jduggan: Yep, in the US

[21:33:40]

Dagmar:

Well, I'm not in the Caymans, so yeah, CST is in the US.

[21:34:02]

jduggan:

eew i hope they dont waste the first episode on a recap? i hate it when much anticipated shows do that

[21:34:05]

Dagmar:

How about 7PM America/Chicago

[21:34:15]

iamlindoro_:

jduggan: There's a recap for an hour before, then two hours of show

[21:34:22]

Dagmar:

jduggan: After that hour is a two-hour episode

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jduggan:

oooh yum

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justinh:

reminds me actually...

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mkrufky:

brb phone

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oobe:

hey where do i get tmdb.pl from i would like to try it out

[21:40:37]

mkrufky:

LOST is the best piece of work that I've ever seen on boradcast television

[21:40:45]

mkrufky:

broadcast

[21:41:02]

wagnerrp:

oh come on... brisco county beat it hands down!

[21:41:17]

mkrufky:

every detail means something

[21:41:36]

mkrufky:

(except, "he walks among us, but he's not one of us" — that never really panned out

[21:41:38]

mkrufky:

)

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iamlindoro_:

mkrufky: Thoughts on final cylon?

[21:42:10]

oobe:

nevermind im just grabbing trunk

[21:42:18]

mkrufky:

iamlindoro_: ooooooooh

[21:42:33]

mkrufky:

thats serious spoiler-age if somebody isnt up to date... do u think its safe to talk here?

[21:42:36]

wagnerrp:

the president

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mkrufky:

haha, clearly wagnerrp isn't up to date

[21:43:25]

wagnerrp:

i remember something about her dying of some disease in the miniseries, and in the 4th season shes still around? got to be a cylon

[21:43:27]

mkrufky:

there is a cut scene of her on "YouWillKnowTheTruth" where she's got this devilish look on her face as she takes her meds and dumps them into the trash

[21:43:39]

mkrufky:

Cancer, wagnerrp

[21:43:50]

mkrufky:

yeah, i think she's a cylon, too

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justinh:

cylons in lost? yay!

[21:44:27]

justinh:

now you're talkin sense :D

[21:44:33]

iamlindoro_:

mkrufky: I think all the youwillknowthetruth stuff was crap

[21:44:37]

Dagmar:

Starbuck burned her own body on a funerl pyre.

[21:44:39]

mkrufky:

its not crap

[21:44:45]

mkrufky:

its like LOST: Miissing pieces

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Dagmar:

Organic humans don't generally get to do that.

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iamlindoro_:

I think they threw in all sorts of random junk that means nothing

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mkrufky:

its all BS that doesnt really matter, cuz we'll see it anyway

[21:44:58]

mkrufky:

yeah that

[21:45:08]

Dagmar:

The XO remmebers his wife being with him during the apocalypse on New Earth 2,000 years ago.

[21:45:19]

Dagmar:

They're ALL freaking Cylons, every last one of them.

[21:45:27]

mkrufky:

a friend of mine thought Locke was a cylon after seeing Lost: Pilot, pt 2

[21:45:49]

mkrufky:

umm, okay then... since dagmar spilled it......

[21:46:04]

mkrufky:

nobody ever asked, "what will kara look like when she becomes ellen's age"

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mkrufky:

likewise, "what did ellen look like when she was kara;'s age"

[21:46:18]

mkrufky:

...

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Actually, the mad scientist cooked up some cure for the President using cylon blood or something which put her into almost instantaneous remission.

[21:46:32]

Dagmar:

Of course, since then she's been relapsing.

[21:46:57]

wagnerrp:

the mad scientist... the one who caused the attack at the beginning?

[21:47:18]

Dagmar:

Yeah, the one who was President for awhile, and then got his own harem (lucky bastard)

[21:47:33]

wagnerrp:

(havent seen anything but the miniseries)

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Dagmar:

The one with the hottest blonde technology can create in his head.

[21:47:55]

wagnerrp:

yeah, why does he keep seeing her everwhere?

[21:48:04]

mkrufky:

the "five" have the ability to produce random DNA

[21:48:06]

poodyp:

AH SPOILERS

[21:48:13]

Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Offhand, I'd say because she's hot as hell

[21:48:16]

mkrufky:

thats why one of the five can reproduce with one of the seven originals

[21:48:30]

mkrufky:

likewise, why a human (with random dna, of course) can reproduce with one of the seven originals

[21:48:44]

mkrufky:

but one of the seven originals cannot reproduce with another of the seven originals

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: If I had to speculate tho, I'd say it was because some of the cyclons have developed organic functions as an infectious vector

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mkrufky:

... silly cylons

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mkrufky:

they thought the missing ingredient was LOVE

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mkrufky:

but now we know its not LOVE — its DNA

[21:49:14]

mkrufky:

(tigh didnt love caprica six, but he got her pregnant anyway)

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** iamlindoro_ wonders when tigh got someone pregnant **

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mkrufky:

this is my theory — its not (necessarily) fact

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Dagmar:

So she could infect him, then he starts turning, and he in turn infects her. The President is infected by side-effect from the cure, which is why she's seeing Starbuck's dreams and 6's daughter since they're also half-breeds

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Dagmar:

Those humans are linked to the cyclons they were infected by in a manner similiar to the subliminal communications the cylons have built in

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mkrufky:

iamlindoro_: s04e08, Adama decides to leave galactica, and wait for the president to return in the baseshit...... He left Tigh in charge,.... earlier in that episode, he had a fist fight with Tigh, because Doc Coddle found traces of Tigh inside Caprica Six

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** iamlindoro_ blinks at mkrufky, backs slowly away **

[21:51:21]

mkrufky:

iamlindoro_: i shit you not, my friend

[21:51:25]

Dagmar:

Yeah they've made the plot ludicrously complex

[21:51:31]

iamlindoro_:

mkrufky: Doesn't mean she was pregnant

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mkrufky:

she is pregnant ... .thats what doc coddle found!

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mkrufky:

he ran the dna and traced it back to Tigh

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mkrufky:

Tigh told Adama, he got pissed off

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Dagmar:

Well, he DID do her

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iamlindoro_:

Don't remember anyone saying *pregnant*

[21:52:06]

mkrufky:

Coddle said pregnant

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iamlindoro_:

ok... must have missed that

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Dagmar:

I'm pretty sure if I were faced with the same situation, my wang would faint tho

[21:52:25]

Dagmar:

That girl is too hot

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mkrufky:

Caprica six was in the brig at the time.... .remember, Tigh was projecting ellen

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iamlindoro_:

I feel like a weird sort of link must exist between Ellen Tigh and Six

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Dagmar:

...and he was "interrogating" her.

[21:53:37]

iamlindoro_:

mkrufky: I remember that part, just don't recall anyone saying pregnant

[21:53:41]

mkrufky:

ah

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: I don't think so. Ellen's a trifling scrub.

[21:54:07]

mkrufky:

there should not be any link between ellen and six ....... it was tigh using cylon projection to see ellen's face on six's body

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Dagmar:

cylon projection? I'm thikning more like "hallucination"

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Dagmar:

Tigh was just plain cracking.

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mkrufky:

it was projection... its covered more in season 3

[21:55:20]

mkrufky:

especially if you look at the deleted scenes

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Dagmar:

I'll have to try to remember to pay attention if I'm ever forced to watch reruns of that season then

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Dagmar:

<-- doesn't "do" reruns

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mkrufky:

also, when Natalie six died, she was projecting that forest immediately before she "entered the river that feeds the stream"

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** laga backs away slowly **

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mkrufky:

ok, so clearly i am the resident fanatic

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Dagmar:

Yep

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mkrufky:

ah, i had that quote wrong..... it was "the stream that feeds the ocean that feeds the stream"

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mkrufky:

not that anybody should care

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mkrufky:

lol

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wagnerrp:

theres an article on slashdot about which DTV boxes are the most hackable

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wagnerrp:

with comments on sending your own mpeg feed to the decoder

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justinh:

myers

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wagnerrp:

or capturing the received mpeg feed to a computer

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wagnerrp:

and i just have to wonder....WWWWHHHHHHYYYYYY

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justinh:

further fuelling the retarded assumptions people make

[22:09:03]

justinh:

oh, the $box runs a linux kernel? OH! MythTV on there now please!

[22:09:05]

mkrufky:

coupon-elegible? those are ATSC-only boxes

[22:09:08]

mkrufky:

not QAM

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mkrufky:

who cares about that? VSB is all open in the clear anyway

[22:09:35]

wagnerrp:

i have no clue

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justinh:

is there ever anything of any value on slashdot? I mean really?

[22:10:11]

wagnerrp:

you can pick up capture cards for <$50

[22:10:23]

wagnerrp:

sometimes for less than the DTV box after coupon

[22:10:31]

mkrufky:

ah, its the decoding... my bad

[22:10:35]

mkrufky:

that does make some sense

[22:10:47]

wagnerrp:

and there is no worth trying to feed your own video to it because they can only output standard definition

[22:10:48]

justinh:

does it? who needs an mpeg2 decoder?

[22:11:02]

wagnerrp:

there are any number of devices available, that can do that

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justinh:

anybody with a 2Ghz CPU can do that :)

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wagnerrp:

chances are if you have the desire to hack a dtv box, you have a dozen computer sitting in a trash heap in the back of your basement that can handle standard definition mpeg2

[22:11:40]

mkrufky:

justinh: id be happy to have a tiny cheap machine to run mythfrontend on, rather than investing in a computer that I could otherwise be using as a dev box or job processor

[22:11:59]

justinh:

mkrufky: me too, but such a thing is just a pipedream

[22:12:07]

mkrufky:

i dont deny that

[22:12:10]

justinh:

nvidia ion stuff looks interesting

[22:12:25]

justinh:

I'd love a STB form factor complete myth system

[22:12:43]

justinh:

I don't do much transcoding, even less commflagging.. perfect :)

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: So, you done with that StorageGRoup move code yet? ;)

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justinh:

oh it's not even about hackable converter boxes... it's some bloke asking what is the most hackable. pffft

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justinh:

assuming any of them ARE hackable

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poodyp:

someone put an article on /. asking about hackable DTV boxes?

[22:17:42]

justinh:

http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&id=3129911 & ndash; not an article as such, no

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wagnerrp:

poodyp: scroll back and read the last 30 lines or so

[22:18:29]

wagnerrp:

err... nevermind

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wagnerrp:

i thought that was a statement, not a question

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justinh:

the stuff I have to deal with at work has programmable video codec DSPs on plugin cards.. would be possible to run mythtv on it if you knew what you were doing.. but why would anybody ever want to? ;-)

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justinh:

wooo 4CIF mpeg4 acceleration :-O

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mkrufky:

oooooooooooh

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justinh:

that's just baseline mpeg4 though. no h.264 or anything

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mkrufky:

oh :-/

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poodyp:

wow... that has to be one of the more retarded misuses of a website ever...

[22:20:11]

wagnerrp:

so mpeg4 part 2?

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justinh:

there's a new chip we've got that'll do (wait for it!) 480P h.264 !!!!

[22:20:31]

justinh:

four eighty pee ! :D teh awesomes!

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justinh:

oh yeah.. 480p h.264 at 30fps. meh

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poodyp:

justinh: that'll be perfect for my progressive scan SD tv

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justinh:

it'll do 720p mpeg2 though

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poodyp:

ohwait

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wagnerrp:

well then it should manage 720p h264 at ~10fps with one reference frame

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justinh:

cool

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wagnerrp:

nothing like low framerate HD

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wagnerrp:

of course good luck finding content with so few refs

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justinh:

they have mplayer running on a dev board though. looks awful over the HDMI connection. and the design notes say 'IPTV STBs etc'. Haha

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wagnerrp:

burn notice comes back thursday!

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poodyp:

yay

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** poodyp can't wait **

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: not just yet... :)

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Was just thinking about it... will be nicer that way as it can be a backend process... not quite sure what this is going to do when I hit it... likely hang there until the copy is done, I would guess

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Dagmar:

eryc: Yeah, but then how do you stop your eyes from bleeding

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Dagmar:

wrong channel

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gumpert345:

hi I use mythtv 0.22 on kubuntu 8.10 and I got a mysql problem I cant connect to the database, this problem is not 0.22 related, because it occured on a previous system too, there seems to be something wrong with mysql, I added a pastebin: http://pastebin.com/m59a30b56 I hope some may help me

[23:09:07]

phunyguy:

Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

[23:09:12]

phunyguy:

seems to be a flag right there.

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AlmightyOatmeal:

gumpert345: did you start the mysql daemon? did you setup a user with a password for mythtv? did you tell mythtv to use said database with said username/passwd?

[23:10:06]

gumpert345:

no, I thought installing mythtv via apt-get would be all I need to do

[23:10:19]

gumpert345:

how can I setup a user?

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AlmightyOatmeal:

it did what it was supposed to, install the packages.. it's your duty to configure said installed packages

[23:10:35]

Dagmar:

THe MythTV installation documentation says what you need to d

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AlmightyOatmeal:

iirc mythtv has some excellent documentation on the website

[23:11:47]

gumpert345:

ill take a look

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gumpert345:

thx

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phunyguy:

jeez

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shani8:

i am working on reduction in channel zapping time in iptv systems

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Dagmar:

tzanger: No they're just learning that you need to really perfume bullshit or people know what it is before open the box.

[23:14:00]

Dagmar:

wrong channel

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phunyguy:

haha dagmar

[23:14:20]

shani8:

i need help

[23:15:36]

shani8:

my advisor has asked me to chk whether we can mythtv to develope any application which can help us reduce the channel zapping time

[23:15:37]

sphery:

phunyguy: perhaps we should even bust out, "you really think you should run unstable trunk if you're asking for help getting the basic system configuration right?"

[23:16:03]

shani8:

is there anyone who can help me out?

[23:16:15]

Dagmar:

To reduce what?

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phunyguy:

lol sphery

[23:16:23]

Dagmar:

What's "channel zapping time"?

[23:16:30]

phunyguy:

channel change time?

[23:16:33]

sphery:

channel change time when channel surfing?

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mkrufky:

ok, im out .... enjoy lost premiere night

[23:16:39]

AlmightyOatmeal:

does a stun gun pop out of the crt?

[23:16:40]

shani8:

the delay when you change channels

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Dagmar:

shan18: Old problem, Not exactly a solvable one either.

[23:17:18]

Dagmar:

You can reduce it SOME through a control available through the ivtv stuff, but you will never be able to get rid of it.

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[23:17:47]

Dagmar:

There will ALWAYS be a delay between when the tuner starts listening to a channel and when it can start giving you a video stream.

[23:17:48]

phunyguy:

i am thankful for teh delay on my PVR

[23:17:49]

sphery:

shani8: are you saying your advisor wants you to check with mythtv developers to see if they want you to do a project to reduce the time or that you are checking to see if mythtv would be a good choice for a project which requires a system with a small channel change time?

[23:18:07]

Dagmar:

Now, if you want to get rid of that delay, you'll need to buy five or more tuner cards.

[23:18:07]

phunyguy:

since it irblasts the channel to the dish reciever with .5 delay between each digit

[23:18:52]

sphery:

shani8: if you're looking for a system whose channel change time is already small, you don't want Myth (because Myth was designed to a) record shows for you, not show you TV as it airs and b) work in various networked client-server configurations which require an approach that may not be fast)

[23:19:04]

shani8:

well he has asked me to dig into mythtv and find out whether it can help us in reducing the delay

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sphery:

"help us" means who?

[23:19:31]

sphery:

your existing system that uses something other than Myth?

[23:19:33]

sphery:

or Myth?

[23:20:00]

phunyguy:

myth actually writes the content to the drive, and if you are watching livetv it then streams it off the drive to you. (am i correct?)...

[23:20:07]

sphery:

yep

[23:20:11]

phunyguy:

thoguht so.

[23:20:14]

phunyguy:

thought*

[23:20:28]

phunyguy:

so by concept it will have that lag time

[23:20:41]

phunyguy:

a good second or two

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shani8:

thats what i understood and told him but hez such a dumbass he never understands..

[23:20:58]

sphery:

and we will /never/ allow passthrough LiveTV since a) you shouldn't use LiveTV and b) it won't work in a networked situation and is only supported by some cards and doesn't allow pause/rewind/fast-forward

[23:21:00]

phunyguy:

language.

[23:21:14]

phunyguy:

shouldnt watch livetv? :(

[23:21:19]

phunyguy:

thats my main issues

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phunyguy:

:-/

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Dagmar:

You can watch LiveTV using your TV.

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sphery:

LiveTV = waste-your-life-TV (watching on /their/ schedule instead of yours)

[23:21:51]

phunyguy:

well i only have 1 tuner right now so...

[23:21:53]

phunyguy:

:(

[23:21:59]

phunyguy:

if i want to record i cant watch.

[23:22:05]

phunyguy:

and vice versa

[23:22:10]

phunyguy:

if i want to watch i can't record.

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Dagmar:

The things you use your PVR for make it impossible to channel surf in the same way you would if you weren't using a PVR

[23:22:24]

shani8:

what kind of applications we can develope on mythtv

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Dagmar:

Unless, of course, you put enough tuners in the box that you can always predict what channel the user will skip to.

[23:22:35]

phunyguy:

maybe my slow channel guide is directly related to those statements

[23:22:40]

Dagmar:

...and then they still can't change channels very quickly.

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Dagmar:

shan18: What kind of applications can you develop on a Chevy Nova.

[23:23:14]

Dagmar:

It's an application itself, not an application platform.

[23:23:16]

phunyguy:

is this a school project?

[23:23:24]

phunyguy:

do your own homework.

[23:23:27]

sphery:

yeah, I've seen STB's whose channel change time is /much/ slower than mine is through Myth--but they hide that fact with fancy animations or similar

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sphery:

(oh, and my Myth frontend a dedicated frontend that's remote from both myth backends)

[23:24:36]

phunyguy:

[18:24] [Away] You are now marked as being away. <----- o_O @ that

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sphery:

so I don't have any special "fast" stuff

[23:25:09]

phunyguy:

im in the middle of a conversation and it marks me as away...

[23:25:21]

phunyguy:

ok there it goes

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phunyguy:

back from away

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shani8:

can some just make me clear about mythtv? how frontend and backend communicate with each other.. i mean what protocols? is it multicasting as in traditional iptv?

[23:25:35]

sphery:

custom

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Dagmar:

shan18: It uses it's own protocol.

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phunyguy:

TCP/IP sockets?

[23:25:48]

sphery:

see programs/mythbackend/mainserver.cpp

[23:25:57]

Dagmar:

phunyguy: Migratory turtles, just baby ones.

[23:26:00]

Dagmar:

That's why the delay.

[23:26:03]

phunyguy:

laff.

[23:26:22]

sphery:

never forget to feed your Myth box...

[23:26:39]

sphery:

the pool little guys wouldn't have a chance

[23:26:44]

sphery:

s/pool/poor/

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Dagmar:

Well, there's usually not much predation inside a mini-tower, so they stand a much better chance there than at the beach.

[23:27:52]

sphery:

not to mention the issues with people trampling the eggs at the beach

[23:28:14]

phunyguy:

wow,

[23:28:24]

phunyguy:

you guys really know how to kill a joke, lol.

[23:28:28]

Dagmar:

shani18: I don't do privmsgs.

[23:28:33]

phunyguy:

hah.

[23:28:53]

phunyguy:

he is doing homework

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Dagmar:

All my client shows me unless someone's on a whitelist is "[nick(user@host)] *mumble*"

[23:28:57]

phunyguy:

i can almost guarantee it

[23:29:11]

phunyguy:

and he wants someone to do it for him.

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shani8:

come on its not my home work.. its my final year project at university

[23:29:27]

phunyguy:

SAME THING?

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phunyguy:

:-/

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phunyguy:

i called it.

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phunyguy:

.pk – is that pakistan?

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Dagmar:

Yes, it is.

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phunyguy:

thought so.

[23:31:30]

Dagmar:

Any place that I'm likely to get a visit from the secret service over is a place that catches my eye

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shani8:

actually my advisor dosent understand that we cant develope anything which can reduce the delay of iptv network

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Dagmar:

Granted, now that Bush is out I can be a bit less paranoid about it

[23:31:56]

phunyguy:

yes Dagmar

[23:32:00]

phunyguy:

yesterday was a good day.

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Dagmar:

shan18: Perhaps he needs an education in how compressed video works, then.

[23:32:47]

directhex:

Dagmar, by pixie

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Dagmar:

directhex: No, pixies handle ARP

[23:33:21]

Dagmar:

They gotta be REALLY small to fit in those NIC cards.

[23:33:47]

Dagmar:

Video frames are much bigger, which is why we need the turtles.

[23:33:56]

Dagmar:

A pixie would just get squished under all that data.

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shani8:

can you tell me any strong reason that we cant use mythtv for that.. whenever i tell him mythtv is pvr and we cant build anything on it which can reduce the delay.. he says gimme the proof..

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Dagmar:

He has it wrong.

[23:34:40]

Dagmar:

You have to prove something is possible, not the other way around.

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AlmightyOatmeal:

shani8: tell him to try it himself

[23:35:03]

Dagmar:

If he knew how compressed video worked, he would not be this confused.

[23:35:39]

Dagmar:

You could maybe point out to him that the amount of work needed to compress a single frame is variable, not fixed.

[23:35:54]

Dagmar:

Furthermore, the compression is done across multiple frames, not just one frame at a time.

[23:36:16]

shani8:

hmm.. so

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Dagmar:

Meaning it's not as simple as just cranking up the CPU power until you're compressing one frame sending it and then displaying it immediately

[23:37:08]

Dagmar:

If he doesn't grasp that then you've got an advisor telling you stuff he knows nothing about.

[23:37:09]

Dagmar:

This is bad.

[23:37:40]

shani8:

yup this bad thing is actually happening to me..

[23:38:22]

Dagmar:

Also, MythTV has nothing to do with IPTV.

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shani8:

what if he says why cant we use mythtv to develope anything like that.. can you gimme any link which i can show him as a proof

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Dagmar:

No.

[23:39:03]

Dagmar:

Nor will I even try

[23:39:09]

Dagmar:

You're trying to prove a negative.

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iamlindoro:

the users mailing list, monthly :)

[23:39:27]

shani8:

the how can i go other way round

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Dagmar:

If you want to develop IPTV "drivers" for Myth that pretend to be a tuner card, that's about as close as you're going to get.

[23:40:37]

Dagmar:

Simply saying "mythTV does not use the IPTV protocol" should be plenty.

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iamlindoro:

sphery, http://rafb.net/p/RqWGl528.html

[23:41:32]

iamlindoro:

Well that worked rather nicely :)

[23:42:10]

shani8:

for what purposes mythtv is used?

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Dagmar:

Except now we all know you watch Supernatural.

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doc___:

pvr

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iamlindoro:

for recordings and timeshifting television, for watching existing video, for listening to music, etc. etc.

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AlmightyOatmeal:

shani8: that was explained to you about 20 minutes ago

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AlmightyOatmeal:

and probably 5 or 6 times

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shani8:

suppose m a layman n now make me understand cz my advisor is actually a layman.. :P

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar, All you know is that I *record* supernatural

[23:43:06]

Dagmar:

iamlindoro: Sophistry.

[23:43:22]

Dagmar:

You probably thought Twilight was a good book, didn't you?

[23:43:31]

iamlindoro:

Wouldn't know one way or the other

[23:43:52]

Dagmar:

iamlindoro: I'll save you the trouble. Anyone who liked the writing is probably mentally damaged.

[23:44:07]

GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: Cool! So it's pulling the show and metadata from recordings ?

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Dagmar:

It practically embodies bad writing. It's just _eye-wateringly_ bad.

[23:44:17]

iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, yeah

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shani8:

ok.. lets make things clear.. i want to reduce the channel switching delay.. which is mainly caused by igmp join/leave or pre buffering of streams or aquisition of random access points in a video stream.. what tools should i use and how should i go abot this problem

[23:44:38]

** GreyFoxx Likes Supernatural and doesn't give acrap about anyone elses opinion ;) **

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iamlindoro:

shani8, Myth doesn't use multicast, so you are incorrect

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** AlmightyOatmeal has never seen Supernatural **

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Dagmar:

Whoa... THAT was what you were coding?

[23:45:05]

iamlindoro:

Dagmar, yes

[23:45:23]

Dagmar:

shan18: You're not only barking up the wrong tree, you're in the wrong type of FOREST altogether.

[23:45:29]

Dagmar:

MythTV != IPTV.

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GreyFoxx:

But myth will record iptv sources

[23:45:47]

shani8:

hmm

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: That's necessary stuff

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GreyFoxx:

It just doesn't create ipt streams to cliens

[23:46:09]

iamlindoro:

Dagmar, Yes, I save all my stuff that I care about in MythVideo so it'll be a big help to me

[23:46:21]

GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: I love he idea

[23:46:22]

Dagmar:

iamlindoro: Maybe after it's been around awhile people will start to clue in that having separate data stores for video and recordings isn't useful

[23:46:23]

GreyFoxx:

the

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GreyFoxx:

damn keyboard is getting sticky

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kormoc:

Dagmar, I personally keep mine in separate data stores. Videos in one that doesn't change often and tv on drives I don't care get thrashed to death

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Dagmar:

kormoc: Keeping the videos in separate places is fine

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, Had been meaning to get around to it for a while, but last time I mentioned it I got some discouragement... but I'm tired enough of doing the alternative that I'm going to finish it and see what happens

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Dagmar:

...but having two separate avenues for what is essentially the _same_ set of metadata isn't wholly useful. :/

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AlmightyOatmeal:

is there a way to get mythtv to rename a recording/transcoding to something more useful than '2032_20090120210000'?

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Dagmar:

AlmightyOatmeal: mythrename.pl

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iamlindoro:

Mythrename.pl

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AlmightyOatmeal:

cheers.

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shani8:

thats actually my advisor who made me dig into mythtv.. can you suggest anything to solve my problem

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Dagmar:

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