Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, January 19th, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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EnderTheThird:

iamlindoro: i would indeed be a big fan of that. I'm not a huge fan of using multiple media programs

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justinh:

oh go on inkscape. crash. see if I care damnit

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iamlindoro:

In fairness, it only crashes when you've done multiple hours of work without saving and it will really, really really hurt.

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justinh:

half the bother with using inkscape is figuring out how to achieve the effect you want

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justinh:

looks like I can't easily do a http://loadinfo.net/main/preview?gif=preview/ . . . sixty_24.gif

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justinh:

I tried generating a 64x64 gif on there, converting it to png but the alpha levels of gif just suck

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justinh:

there's fully transparent & half transparent. and that's it

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justinh:

hmmm. must be able to make a gradient follow a path

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justinh:

ahhh PSP can do it

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justinh:

heheh. flipbook animation is pretty snappy huh

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justinh:

got 420x420 going at a nice fluid rate

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directhex:

flipbookery? :o

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jduggan:

sounds nice

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directhex:

does alphapulse have a delay loop yet?

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justinh:

just tested the new image I made, copied http://loadinfo.net/main/preview?gif=preview/ . . . sixty_24.gif but made it much bigger

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justinh:

couldn't be bothered to resize all 12 images so I made it realsize to see if it'd cope

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justinh:

iamlindoro: tempted to make some 'intro' clips for mythvideo at this point :D

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iamlindoro:

justinh, like "3...2...1..." type intro?

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justinh:

easy peasy

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justinh:

got one already somewhere.. olde worlde filme style

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justinh:

wasn't gonna pay real money for it so I made one

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justinh:

oops. either it's on a backup dvd in here somewhere, or on some video dvd... or it's gone

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justinh:

anyway, can rustle another up in little time at all. just say the word

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iamlindoro:

I'm waiting for the video widget, fun little spots carved out for that

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rave:

hallo guys, how is going with mythtv for windows? have you gotten the backend and any dvb cards to work? :)

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justinh:

I used to spend days messing around with coloured blocks, shaped masks & all sorts in Sony Vegas making looped motion backgrounds for my dvds

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justinh:

rave: early days yet. nobody has even been brave enough to post ready built exes for a windows mythfrontend yet.. so don't hold your breath

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rave:

hehe okay ;) i am building them right now, a hell of alot files the script wants to download :)

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rave:

any1 running xbmc linux as frontend and mythtv as backend through mythbox?

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justinh:

fwiw your best mythtv experience on an xbox is still going to be through mythfrontend, on real linux on the xbox

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justinh:

takes ages to boot up, is quite slow but very usable

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jpabq:

iamlindoro: the guy complaining that the hdpvr-livetv patch doesn't work, didn't apply it to his BE machine.

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iamlindoro:

jpabq, <facepalm>

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jpabq:

At least he was not rude, like the guy you where dealing with :-p

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iamlindoro:

That guy was wayyyyyy out there

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justinh:

ahhh WHAT? Vegas can't import an mpeg2 clip.. argghh

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justinh:

might aswell make a new un iamlindoro .. when I get a spare hour or so :)

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iamlindoro:

cool

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justinh:

want it grunged up like film, or not?

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iamlindoro:

No preference here

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justinh:

I can do both easily enough

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justinh:

no Adobe products will be used in its production :P

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NCommander:

Hey all

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EnderTheThird:

Hi.

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perilousapricot:

this might be a weird place to ask, but does anyone know of windows PXE dhcp servers? I want to test out the jaunty mythbuntu iso on a frontend without a cd drive and won't boot from usb

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NCommander:

perilousapricot, I do

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NCommander:

I'm interested in building a mythtv setup, using an old MacBook Pro as my backend (I dropped a 500GB HDD under the hood)

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NCommander:

perilousapricot, I'm trying to find a decent USB or firewire way to capture video (hopefully HDTV)

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NCommander:

er, sorry, EnderTheThird

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perilousapricot:

:)

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perilousapricot:

NCommander, what's it called?

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NCommander:

perilousapricot, I don't know offhand, I take it your using a Windows based backend?

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NCommander:

or something else as your backend?

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perilousapricot:

NCommander, yeah, I have something else as a backend, and the only other machine I have is the windows machine

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NCommander:

perilousapricot, Mythbuntu has an auto PXE solution out of the box, but the only Windows DHCP server I know w/ PXE is Windows 200X Server

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EnderTheThird:

NCommander: you talking about from a STB for USB/FW?

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perilousapricot:

NCommander, well, the PXE boot option would just boot me into the version on the backend, right?

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NCommander:

perilousapricot, not quite, you need to do quite a bit of setup to make it fly

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NCommander:

EnderTheThird, I'm not huge on keeping the STB. the FW ports on it are to my knowledge locked out and the HDMI port is HDCP encrypted

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perilousapricot:

hdcp: boo :(

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NCommander:

Now I've heard rumors the non-DVR version of the STB actually allows the Firewire ports to do something

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NCommander:

But that's just a rumor

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EnderTheThird:

That varies by carrier. You'd need to call your cable company to find out about FW.

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** NCommander has in the past been able to get the box to change channels over FW **

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NCommander:

I have time warner, that will be a frustating experience, so I'm wondering if there are any other alternatives before I resort to that

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EnderTheThird:

STB is the only way to get premium HD/digital channels.

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NCommander:

Sadly

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NCommander:

I think my box shoots out 5C encrpted content.

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EnderTheThird:

You can get network HD channels (FOX, NBC, ABC, CBS, PBS...) without an STB though. I use an HDHomeRun, which works great for tuning digital ATSC channels (dual tuner at that).

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EnderTheThird:

The HDHR is nice because it doesn't hog any ports on your BE. You just connect it to your router via ethernet.

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NCommander:

HDHR?

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justinh:

oh jees. I'm absolutely gonna have to go the whole hog with icon animation now

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EnderTheThird:

It is a little pricey though, at about $160 last I checked. (HDHomeRun)

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rave:

if i have a friend who is runnig a CS server on his dreambox with GBOX what do i have to use i myth to get on his server?

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NCommander:

Ouch

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EnderTheThird:

justinh: oh god yes. please do!

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NCommander:

EnderTheThird, that's the one that sits on ethernet; no analog tuner though, right?

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EnderTheThird:

Ncommander: but that is for 2 tuners and it doubles as an IR receiver.

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EnderTheThird:

Yeah, no analog tuner.

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** NCommander is staring at the HD-PR **

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NCommander:

Oh god thats sexy

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : -v jams

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EnderTheThird:

HD-PVR gets around the issue of needing FW for premium HD content. I think they're still working on making it play nicely with Myth, but I'm not sure.

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EnderTheThird:

I think there's still some work on the HD-PVR before it works as seemlessly as most of the digital tuners out there.

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** NCommander is currently trying to determine if the FW ports on his DVR is happy **

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NCommander:

The box itself is relatively cheap, I don't care if I have to keep it, and it also provides a switch to the xbox and anything else I want to plug in as an AV source

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EnderTheThird:

Do you watch premium HD content or not?

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NCommander:

Not regularly

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NCommander:

and not since I got Netflixs :-)

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** NCommander notes that he's upgrading to HD from SD with his new Myth box **

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EnderTheThird:

If that's the case, the HD-PVR might not be worth the extra money/hassle.

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NCommander:

I'm going to assume the HD signal on STBs can't be gathered through coxial? (QAM isn't passed through)

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EnderTheThird:

I have no experience with forwarding IR commands to an STB either, so I'm not sure how easy that is to do (I hear it's not bad though).

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jpabq:

QAM is passed, but is encrypted.

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NCommander:

Ugh

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EnderTheThird:

only QAM channels you can get are the unencrypted ones (network channels I mentioned earlier)

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jpabq:

To clarify, something like the HDhomerun can see the QAM directly off of your cable coax, but can only handle the unencrypted channels.

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NCommander:

Rochester doesn't even have any HD channels

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NCommander:

(well, they keep trying, but the HD signal I'm told has issues)

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EnderTheThird:

Wow that HD-PVR is pricey. $210, ouch.

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rave:

which is the best dvb-s2 card for myth?

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AlmightyOatmeal:

a compatable one

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EnderTheThird:

I thought cable companies are required to send ClearQAM for network channels?

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jpabq:

EnderTheThird: they are.

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rave:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_PCI_Cards one of these?

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NCommander:

EnderTheThird, they don't have to send anything if there are no local network channels sending QAM signals AFAIK

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perilousapricot:

EnderTheThird, in theory

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EnderTheThird:

NCommander: if you want to try out the HD channels, you can grab the pinnacle PCI card from Best Buy or some such. Then just return it and say the drivers sucked (which I hear they do... for Windows, heh)

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iamlindoro:

Local broadcasters have nothing to do with QAM

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rave:

dvico? :)

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iamlindoro:

QAM is a modulation, has nothing to do with the braodcasters

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phunyguy:

i have a dvico card.

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phunyguy:

its pretty good.

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NCommander:

EnderTheThird, I got nothing expect an old RS/6000 that has PCI slots

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phunyguy:

in fact it worked first try

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iamlindoro:

Cable co's are required to bropadcast in the clear any channels which they carry which are also sent OTA

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NCommander:

hrm

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NCommander:

Ok

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rave:

okay thanks

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NCommander:

Time Warner Cable has a box that amazingly does have firewire output

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rave:

just a bit hard to find them here in sweden :)

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NCommander:

the 3250HD

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phunyguy:

i dont have a large cable company here

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phunyguy:

just a local businessa

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phunyguy:

-a

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phunyguy:

but they have digital + hidef

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phunyguy:

i went with dish network though

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iamlindoro:

NCommander, nothing amazing about that, any cable company in the US needs to provide boxes with Firewire to replace any HD STB upon customer request

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EnderTheThird:

Mine charges $20/month for an HD DVR. Hence me moving to MythTV 2 years ago. :)

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NCommander:

iamlindoro, there HD STB with Firewire has no built in DVR

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iamlindoro:

NCommander, so?

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NCommander:

WHich TBH, with the MythTV setup, isn't a lose

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NCommander:

Right :-)

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EnderTheThird:

NCommander: you don't need an STB with DVR if you're using Myth to capture everything.

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NCommander:

no, I know, I'm upgrading

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NCommander:

;-)

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EnderTheThird:

Rock on.

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NCommander:

Building a myth box has been on my todo list for almost a year

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NCommander:

FIgure its time to sit down and do it

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NCommander:

especially since I can use my MacBook Pro as powerful backend

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phunyguy:

hmmm i asked a question early, and got the obvious answer, but maybe i should rephrase. My dish network reciever has RF and Svideo out as well as other connections.. but SDTV is SDTV no matter what, right?

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phunyguy:

earlier*

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phunyguy:

so essentially the picture should come out the same over svideo and the RF

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phunyguy:

SDTV is SDTV...

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iamlindoro:

It'll be the same resolution, but substanitally better quality via S-video

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EnderTheThird:

phunyguy: s-video would probably be a better picture, but how much so might be debatable

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jpabq:

S-video should be better than RF

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AlmightyOatmeal:

considerably

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phunyguy:

yes but if the original picture is RF quality..

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phunyguy:

aka SD

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iamlindoro:

There's no such thing as "RF Quality"

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phunyguy:

wheras svideo is like 480i or something isnt it?

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** NCommander wonders if he has a 4–6 Firewire cable so I can test w/ my laptop **

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AlmightyOatmeal:

s-video has 3 color leads plus a ground and no combined audio, "RF" is a mixed bag of everything and just plain icky

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iamlindoro:

phunyguy, S-Video and RF are identical resolution

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phunyguy:

are they?

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phunyguy:

jusis svideo digital?

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phunyguy:

or analog?

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iamlindoro:

I wouldn't have said it if they weren't

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phunyguy:

is*

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iamlindoro:

they're both analog

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AlmightyOatmeal:

s-video is still analog

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phunyguy:

oh ok

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justinh:

iamlindoro: this theme might be finished in a couple of years :P

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iamlindoro:

justinh, I might be able to finish this in a month if I could stay out of here and ignore the lists ;)

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phunyguy:

ok... well thats my dilemma... i am going to pick up some more cards, but i dont know if i can cram 4 PVRs in one box.

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jpabq:

S-Video and RF are identical ANALOG resolution

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iamlindoro:

justinh, did theme mythcontrols and a few stupid popups today though

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AlmightyOatmeal:

RF < Composite < S-Video < vga < component < dvi/hdmi

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EnderTheThird:

iamlindoro: working on a MythUI theme?

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iamlindoro:

EnderTheThird, Yes

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phunyguy:

i guess i could put 4 PVRs on. are there any dual SVideo cards?

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EnderTheThird:

heh, my bro was using composite for his HDTV until I replaced all his cables with HDMI. doh. I used to wonder why it looked so awful until I saw how it was connected.

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clever:

AlmightyOatmeal: i think vga is similar to s-video, but just adds 2 sync lines

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jpabq:

PVR-500, but it is no longer made

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phunyguy:

has to inputs for sound as well?

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iamlindoro:

VGA is closer to component than S-video

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EnderTheThird:

iamlindoro: pimpin. are there many mythui themes available for .22svn right now?

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NCommander:

EnderTheThird, how much trouble with 5C am I likely to encounter?

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justinh:

EnderTheThird: he says yes, but from what I've seen so far, more magnum opus than theme. it's awesome

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AlmightyOatmeal:

clever: i suppose, but imho i see a noticable difference between s-video and vga, minute, but still noticable

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iamlindoro:

EnderTheThird, There are no new themes for .22 complete yet, they are all works in progress

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justinh:

EnderTheThird: only terra.. and that's still very much WIP

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clever:

AlmightyOatmeal: vga can run at any resolution, so it could get in more quality

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iamlindoro:

justinh, Hahaha, can't change your mind on it now ;)

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AlmightyOatmeal:

clever: aye

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justinh:

iamlindoro: mine will also be awesome, if I ever finish it ;)

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phunyguy:

ok, well, if i have 4 PVRs in one backend server... what would you recommend for cpu speed?

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AlmightyOatmeal:

clever: but s/any/a lot; theres a point where a single vga point can't catch up to the larger res ;) thats where dvi comes in handy

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iamlindoro:

a 100 Mhz 486 DX -4

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phunyguy:

lies.

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phunyguy:

can i get a serious answer?

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iamlindoro:

Nope

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iamlindoro:

not lies at all

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iamlindoro:

Hardware encoders don't use your CPU, so...

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justinh:

oh yeah. my 'rec' icon has a flashing 'R'

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phunyguy:

yeah but you would think that would bottleneck some...

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iamlindoro:

nope

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AlmightyOatmeal:

phunyguy: wheck the mythtv docs, its in there. also depends if your pvr cards are framegrabbers or have hardware encoding, also depends if that machine will also be transcoding or nots

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clever:

AlmightyOatmeal: and then dual link dvi! :P

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AlmightyOatmeal:

s/nots/not

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AlmightyOatmeal:

clever: don't tease me ;)

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phunyguy:

it will be transcoding

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phunyguy:

:)

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GreyFoxx:

phunyguy: Literally one of the devs uses a CEleron 333 with 3 or 4 pvr cards as his main backend

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phunyguy:

...maybe

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iamlindoro:

so then figure out the hardware that you need to transcode at the speed you desire

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AlmightyOatmeal:

phunyguy: 4 pvr cards, assuming framegrabbing, along with transcoding.. ever look at those quad core cpu's?

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justinh:

iamlindoro: I don't care if my new one brings me at the top of the memory usage chart either

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GreyFoxx:

no clue if he does any transcoding, but he is the one who primarily writes the comflag code

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phunyguy:

well i dont have to transcode.

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iamlindoro:

justinh, You'll have competition from me there :)

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justinh:

hahaha

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iamlindoro:

my theme will need MOAR

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phunyguy:

but i will be putting together a rack in the closet behind me..

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AlmightyOatmeal:

phunyguy: if your pvr cards have hardware encoding instead of framegrabbing, the requirements will be considerably less.. if you don't do transcodingeither that will take it down even more

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iamlindoro:

justinh, Mostly to price it out of clever's range

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phunyguy:

already got a dell poweredge 1700 1U to go in there

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justinh:

oh yeah.. mine's also gonna be 1080P. I think I might cheat there though.. convert it afterwards with some script-fu

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iamlindoro:

justinh, Requirements: The sum of all memory is clever's house, plus 1 GB

[01:39:03]

** AlmightyOatmeal misses his dell 1u server :( **

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phunyguy:

but that will already be utilized for something else.

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justinh:

roflmao

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iamlindoro:

justinh, If you do script the conversion I hope you'll share, I would love to do same

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phunyguy:

since i have fiber internet coming very soon, it will be my router / security appliance

[01:39:29]

clever:

iamlindoro: i have 1gig in a single system:P

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phunyguy:

gonna need to route and check 25mb internet for virii, spam, etc

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phunyguy:

25/10mb

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iamlindoro:

clever, Congrats?

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justinh:

iamlindoro: I was thinking about something Dagmar did a while back too – use inkscape to export an SVG of layout info, then convert it to myth xml :)

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phunyguy:

its a nice rack server.

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phunyguy:

3.0GHz Xeon

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phunyguy:

3 gigs ram

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phunyguy:

kinda overkill for a router, but whatever

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phunyguy:

i have hardware all over the place

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AlmightyOatmeal:

wow

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thefRont is now known as thefront

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AlmightyOatmeal:

can i have it?

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phunyguy:

nope.

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AlmightyOatmeal:

bollocks..

[01:40:48]

phunyguy:

:)

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AlmightyOatmeal:

i'll send you dirty pictures :P

[01:41:02]

phunyguy:

ewe?

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AlmightyOatmeal:

:(

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phunyguy:

wait, m or f?

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AlmightyOatmeal:

depends on the day

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phunyguy:

EWE.

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AlmightyOatmeal:

its irc, does it matter? :P

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phunyguy:

'fraid so.

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phunyguy:

brb

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iamlindoro:

justinh, That would be nice-- I hate that Inkscape has the opposite Y axis from myth, that's a pain

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justinh:

man, animated status icons are gonna kill me, but I GOTTA HAVE EM!

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Raspberry:

When I run mythtv-status I'm seeing 3 encoders 7, 9 and 12 — and I only have 2 cards

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justinh:

Raspberry: you got digital tuners eh

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Raspberry:

yeah

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Raspberry:

it was fine for the last two years

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justinh:

iamlindoro: if only loadinfo's site did png frame output

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Raspberry:

but sometime in the last month the third tuner has shown up

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Raspberry:

I'm also having funny issues where it can't switch between tuners

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AlmightyOatmeal:

Raspberry: two tuners.. alone.. in the dark... and you're surprised a third one popped up?

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Raspberry:

so if it's recording on 1 tuner and I want to watch Live TV — it'll drop me on the tuner that's recording and I can only watch that multiplex

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AlmightyOatmeal:

it was only a matter of time unless the proper precautions were taken

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Raspberry:

yeah two PCHD-5500s

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justinh:

heh

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phunyguy:

i have something weird going on as well.... with my PVR-150

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phunyguy:

every once in a while on the channel change, the sound is all whacked out

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phunyguy:

comes in sounding overdriven

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phunyguy:

not sure iof its the card or the reciever

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phunyguy:

if*

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Raspberry:

my frontend keeps crashing too

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Raspberry:

I just redid my backend tuners and inputs and what-not and now I can change channels

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Raspberry:

but I've done this before and something keeps changing things back

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sandeen:

when setting up w/ schedulesdirect does one normally need to do a scan and then manually enter XMLTV ids for each channel?

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sandeen:

(this is a clear qam source, FWIW)

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Anduin:

sandeen: yes

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justinh:

hahaha. 'watched' icon with eyes looking from side to side

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sandeen:

ok, that's a bit tedious :) but only once, I guess.

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justinh:

ok that was an easy one I'll grant you

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Anduin:

sandeen: and when you qam lineup suddenly changes

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sandeen:

yeah

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justinh:

iamlindoro: it's actually quite easy to do animation in any package if you use layers, and set em all to 50% transparent, then keep the last frame's layer visible ;)

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sandeen:

Anduin, dumb question, is the SD lineup page the best source for the IDs?

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iamlindoro:

sandeen, Click the "report" link next to any lineup

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iamlindoro:

justinh, Cool, now you've inspired me to work on some of the icons tonight, sigh

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Anduin:

it is on mouseover as well, or used to be

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justinh:

THEMEWARZ!

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sandeen:

iamlindoro, ah, thanks. Was looking at the mousover on the "edit" but that was tedious :)

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iamlindoro:

justinh, Don't think I'll get too fancy with the animation, though

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Zanthus:

hi everybody

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justinh:

jees it's 2am already

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justinh:

and all I've done is two stinkin icons

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Zanthus:

I'm a new mythtv user and I've got a tuner card with two tuners on it; I want to set one tuner to be used for watching TV and the other for recording TV. I was wondering if anyone my know of a 'how to' document somewhere on the web that I could read

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Zanthus:

*may

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justinh:

Zanthus: even watching tv in mythtv is recording

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** justinh preaches the spiel about never watching livetv & recording everything to watch at a time which is convenient instead :) **

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Zanthus:

what I mean is, I want to get the 2nd tuner to only do the scheduled recordings

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unimaginative:

Hmm. Some of my recordings that USED to have sound now do not.

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unimaginative:

Live TV and some other recordings *do* have sound.

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perilousapricot:

Zanthus, why do you want to do that? as long as you're not recording more than one show simultaneously, it will just work(tm) for you. If you do schedule two simultaneous recordings, when you try to watch liveTV, myth will ask you which one you want to cancel

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Zanthus:

I scheduled a program to record on one channel; whilst I was watching another channel (live). When it was time for the show that I wanted to record to start the channel that I was watching (live) changed to the channel that the scheduled recording was to be recorded from. What I want to do is to simply use the tuner that is not being used for live tv to do the scheduled recording, rather than having the channel that I'm watchi

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Zanthus:

ng be automatically changed

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Anduin:

Zanthus: there is a setting that will attempt to make that happen less often

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Zanthus:

ahh

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Zanthus:

I think that's what I'm after then

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perilousapricot:

Zanthus, wait, so you have two tuners, and instead of using the idle tuner, myth changed the channel on what you were watching?

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Zanthus:

perilousapricot: yes, that's right

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Anduin:

Zanthus: I don't use it but it is something like avoid conflicts with live TV or close

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perilousapricot:

Anduin, I remember a setting like that

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iamlindoro:

justinh, Heh, okay, well I admit your talking so much about animation has made me redo the recording icon much better, so thanks :)

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unimaginative:

hmm, W. T. F.

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unimaginative:

I can't figure out why SOME recordings don't have sound, but others do. Sound is present on the recording itself, I played it in VLC.

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Anduin:

unimaginative: -v playback and make sure it is finding the same audio stream to start

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unimaginative:

Anduin, on the backend, I assume?

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Anduin:

unimaginative: no frontend, if vlc plays it, it isn't a recording problem

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unimaginative:

Anduin, ahh, okay. We'll see how it goes

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hachi:

bloody tv stations change their volume levels across the day...

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Anduin:

unimaginative: can also try selecting the audio track while playing to see if there is one that works

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unimaginative:

Anduin, I've done that already, only streams available are english and spanish, tried switching to spanish and still no sound.

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unimaginative:

Anduin, http://rafb.net/p/Ng7RS390.html

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iamlindoro:

sphery, Seems Mr. Real Estate is not only detached from reality, but also a sat pirate, I stand by my conclusions about him ;)

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** iamlindoro can't get over how fast mythweb is now **

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unimaginative:

Anduin, I've got no idea what I'm looking at

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Anduin:

unimaginative: Did you enable AC3 passthrough?

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unimaginative:

andrboot, I believe so, I'm using strictly coaxial SPDIF

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unimaginative:

Anduin, let me check real quick

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Anduin:

unimaginative: -v playback should allow you to see if it is only AC3 that fails

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unimaginative:

Anduin, that log is using -v playback

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Anduin:

unimaginative: Yes, I know, why I was asking about AC3

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unimaginative:

I can try and play a DTS trailer

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unimaginative:

and mythweb says AC3PassThru is "1"

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unimaginative:

without having to kick the wife off the TV

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unimaginative:

here, let me pick a recording that works

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unimaginative:

Anduin, this is a tail -n 100 of a video that DOES work. http://rafb.net/p/lhvlSi72.html

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Anduin:

unimaginative: too short, missing the stream identification stuff

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unimaginative:

Anduin, ok

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unimaginative:

http://rafb.net/p/ecXliJ55.html

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Anduin:

unimaginative: Yeah, SD MP2

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unimaginative:

what's that mean?

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Anduin:

unimaginative: That it isn't going through the passthrough

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Anduin:

unimaginative: disable it, see if you have sound

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unimaginative:

hmm.

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unimaginative:

Anduin, ok

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Anduin:

if it doesn't work hopefully someone else will have an idea, bbl

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unimaginative:

That fixed it

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unimaginative:

funny that it wouldn't passthrough though

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clever:

now that ive upgraded to trunk head, my cpu usage during playback has gone up 2–3 times what it was

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clever:

all of it going to mythfrontend

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Anduin:

unimaginative: well not really fixed just worked around, hopefully someone else will know why it didn't work.

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unimaginative:

andrboot, yeah, I need AC3 passthrough for my hardware dolby digital decoding to work

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unimaginative:

I *did* switch sound cards in this box though, mabye it's a hardware, or driver problem

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Motoko-chan:

Hello. I'm trying to get sound working through inputs other than RF but am not having luck.

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Motoko-chan:

Specifically using a cx88 card.

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Motoko-chan:

Anyone around that can provide some pointers?

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wagnerrp:

mythfilldatabase decided to run at 10pm... that seems a bit early

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Chutt:

hrm

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Chutt:

how does one edit the endtime of an in-progress recording?

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Gumby:

has anyone here messed with gentoo and lirc? I've yet to be able to get it working with either then gentoo package or using lirc source.

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Gumby:

then/the

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Anduin:

Chutt: in the program guide it is an option

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Chutt:

Anduin, yeah, found it earlier

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Chutt:

thanks

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jackson__:

Gumby, first thing, is double check the lirc device node that is created. Sometimes there is a disparity between what udev names the device, and what the lircd.conf file tries to use.

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jackson__:

for instance, the /etc/conf.d/lircd may try to use /dev/lirc0 when udev named it /dev/lirc/0

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Gumby:

jackson__: is this with the gentoo lirc sources or from the maintainers package?

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clever:

jackson__: i usualy run lircd manualy and check the debug output

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jackson__:

Gumby, doesn't matter. It's really what version of udev you are using and how it names the device node.

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clever:

before i even bother with lircd.conf, which i rarely even use afterwards

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Gumby:

should i have anything for lirc before I have loaded lirc modules?

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Gumby:

oops.. in /dev/ I mean

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jackson__:

Gumby, possibly, however to help, remove them.

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jackson__:

Gumby, serial receiver?

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Gumby:

jackson__: mceusb2

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Gumby:

USB

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jackson__:

cool, so you don't need to worry about freeing up the serial driver etc.

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jackson__:

just so you understand, the lirc modules create the device node in /dev (typically /dev/lirc, /dev/lirc0, /dev/lirc/0 (as I say, it depends on udev), then just make sure that your lircd init script configuration file (typically in /etc/conf/lirc) points to that device node.

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jackson__:

then, when you start lircd, it creates /dev/lircd (that programs such as myth communicate with)

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Gumby:

ok.. I am starting fresh here. I just rebooted. lirc_mceusb2 gets loaded at boot. /dev/lirc0 gets created

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wagnerrp:

Gumby: i picked up a pair of those last week

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wagnerrp:

i had to unmask 0.8.4 before they would work

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wagnerrp:

with 0.8.3, they were recognized, but the module would lock

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Gumby:

wagnerrp: I have no issues setting them up in ubuntu from maintainer sources but in gentoo I have thus far gotten nowhere with gentoo packages and maintainers packages

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Gumby:

I'll try masking 0.8.4 next

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Gumby:

errr. unmasking

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levander:

Does leaving my TV (and just letting MythTV go blank on the screen when it times out) on decrease the TV's life expectancy?

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d3ity:

hey guys, still unable to emerge ivtv, i know this is not a support channel for ivtv, is there a place I could ask questions about that? or would anyone be willing to assist me in PM?

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GreyFoxx:

#gentoo ?

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Gumby:

it looks like lirc fails to initialize the hardware when something tries to connect when I start irw this happens... http://pastebin.ca/1312241

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GreyFoxx:

they make the packages and build system

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GreyFoxx:

not the ivtv guys

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d3ity:

GreyFoxx, will try there, thanks

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NineTeen67Comet:

Hello all. I've got a MySQL server with movies on it and three MuthBuntu boxes using it as a backend .. my question is: Can I point all the frontends to the same database? Last time I tried they lost their thumbnails .. Do their file structures need to be identical etc etc?

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RyeBrye:

NineTeen67Comet: there is only one database – the one on the backend. There is also one location for the MythVideo files – so if you want to share those across other ones, you can do so using nfs or something

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NineTeen67Comet:

RyeBrye: Yes, I'm using NFS to share my movie directory (and music and pictures) but when I tell all the machines to use the same database (mythtv) it looks like they erase each other's information. Right now they each have their own db on there (mythbedroom, mythlivingroom and mythkids) ..

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RyeBrye:

NineTeen67Comet: make sure each frontend has its own hostname

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RyeBrye:

a unique hostname

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NineTeen67Comet:

I don't mind them having their own db, just setting up all the thumbs for the movies is getting a bit teadeus ..

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iamlindoro:

They should all be connected to the same DB, with unique hostnames, with the movies, posters, etc. mounted *in the same paths*

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NineTeen67Comet:

They all use the same username mythuser and each box has it's own hostname (listed in /etc/hosts on the server) ..

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RyeBrye:

I never touch the database settings for my frontends

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RyeBrye:

NineTeen67Comet: when you type "hostname" on each computer – it returns a unique result?

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iamlindoro:

Your problem is probably mounting them in different locations and then doing a video scan, if I had to guess

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NineTeen67Comet:

I'll make sure the paths are the same I think one of them has a unique path (myth-movies, myth-pictures etc etc .. the others have simply /media/movies etc ) ..

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RyeBrye:

yeah, they all ahve to be mounted at the same location

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NineTeen67Comet:

RyeBrye: Yes, they've all been setup to use individual hostnames .. (after greek gods) .. so there is Metopr, Athena and Zeus) ..

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NineTeen67Comet:

I'll check the paths and fix that . see if that fixes things ..

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NineTeen67Comet:

Thank you for the ideas RyeBrye and iamlindoro .. off to "tinker" .. Just got my Remote (test remote) working and it's TOTALLY awesome now .. =)

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Zanthus:

okay, I can sort of see the option that I want

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Zanthus:

when I go to schedule a recording the default tuner is tuner0 (the same as the default tuner for watching live tv)

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Zanthus:

is there a way to change things so that the default tuner when scheduling a recording is tuner1, or maybe change live tv to default to tuner1 (leaving scheduled recording defaulting to tuner0) ?

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iamlindoro:

Anduin, If you have 2 seconds, I think Mythvideo needs this set as Video_trailer_default, otherwise it is setting a null trailer value to "No Cover" instead of "No Trailer."

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iamlindoro:

not a big deal, but just something I noticed a second ago

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iamlindoro:

http://rafb.net/p/GZuVPv90.html

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RyeBrye:

Zanthus: you can set priorities on your tuners in mythtv-setup

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Anduin:

iamlindoro: probably just some bug when I put the output stuff together

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RyeBrye:

I have my HDHR tuners set up to be a higer priority than my normal tuners, and I have the HD DT channels set up as a higher priority than the SD coutnerparts

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Anduin:

adjusting tuner priority is the last thing to try

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Anduin:

the avoid conflicts is the first

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Anduin:

and tuner preference is per recording rule not group

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iamlindoro:

Anduin, I think that patch should fix it though, no?

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Anduin:

iamlindoro: I wouldn't think so, does it?

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iamlindoro:

Will let you know in a sec :)

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Anduin:

iamlindoro: it shouldn't, and I hate the text defaults they way they are, that crap goes to the DB, only reason it is that way is something that was there when I inherited it

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iamlindoro:

Was only dlooking at it in the interest of consistency, if it's on the way out I won't bother

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Anduin:

iamlindoro: Yeah, I only removed it for planning to make it consistently blank

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Anduin:

iamlindoro: so you see No Cover in the DB?

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iamlindoro:

Anduin, yes (in the trailer field)

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iamlindoro:

now that I'm looking at it it looks like VIDEO_TRAILER_DEFAULT and VIDEO_COVER_DEFAULT may be switched in one spot

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iamlindoro:

videoscan.cpp

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Anduin:

yup

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iamlindoro:

Metadata newFile(p->first, VIDEO_COVERFILE_DEFAULT, VIDEO_TRAILER_DEFAULT

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iamlindoro:

should be swapper, I think

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iamlindoro:

swapped, that is

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iamlindoro:

cool

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EnderTheThird:

Right now I'm using smbfs in fstab to mount my samba shares automagically on boot. Is there a better way to do that? Right now it takes forever for my machine to shut down because of some cifs messages/errors during shutdown.

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phunyguy:

argh. now i cant get surround

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Anduin:

EnderTheThird: autofs on demand isn't bad for some things

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EnderTheThird:

I'll try to find something on that

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phunyguy:

ok i have all channels unmuted and turned to max in alsamixer

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phunyguy:

yet i only get front two channels

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phunyguy:

speakertest confirmed it.

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EnderTheThird:

sound in linux..... *cringe*.... so many freaking nightmares with that

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phunyguy:

yeah.

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phunyguy:

if it's not one issue it's another.

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phunyguy:

my last motherboard worked great except it kept crashing

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clever:

then it didnt work great:P

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phunyguy:

it was like every 100th press of the down arrow key

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EnderTheThird:

"great except crashing" there seems to be a problem with that statement

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phunyguy:

so it was few and far between

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phunyguy:

but just enought to get annoying

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phunyguy:

so i sold it and bought this one.

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wagnerrp:

EnderTheThird: any reason why not to use nfs?

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phunyguy:

now this one seems to not have 5.1 AT ALL

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phunyguy:

analog or digital

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phunyguy:

and zero digital so far.

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EnderTheThird:

wagnerrp: not in particular. i started using samba when Ubuntu got rid of their shared folders tool and I couldn't find the nfs shares config file, heh

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phunyguy:

no ic-598 channes to unmote in alsamixer

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phunyguy:

unmute*

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phunyguy:

lots of analog channels, just no output.

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wagnerrp:

EnderTheThird: if nothing else, its very simple to just edit /etc/exports

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wagnerrp:

although i dont know what it takes to run the nfs server on linux

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phunyguy:

when is the next alsa update due ouit?

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EnderTheThird:

"what it takes"....?

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EnderTheThird:

with regard to what?

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wagnerrp:

what init scripts to run, how to make init scripts run on boot

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wagnerrp:

whether you need to run anything separate, or if it runs the locking daemon and similar tools automatically

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EnderTheThird:

got ya

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wagnerrp:

having never used ubuntu (or debian or friends), i dont know how they set that stuff up

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EnderTheThird:

I do miss the tool they used to have a few releases ago. nice, simple GUI to select which folders to share, rw priv's, and how to share it (nfs/smb). much simpler than finding the config files

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wagnerrp:

i have to imagine it just got moved

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** clever points at /etc/exports and /etc/samba/smb.conf **

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clever:

there, i found both config files!

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iamlindoro:

right click a folder, Sharing Options

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iamlindoro:

(in the Ubuntu File Browser)

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clever:

isnt that called nautilus

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iamlindoro:

clever, It is Nautilus, but given the only title it gives *itself* is "File Browser," most of us are more interested in giving direction people can actually *follow* instead of acting like pretentious morons

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iamlindoro:

*cough, pointed look*

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clever:

i'll just shut up then:P

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EnderTheThird:

iamlindoro: when i tried that before, it said that it needed to add permissions for the folder to be written to by others. that worried me and that's why i stuck with samba because I knew that i could protect rw priv's with my user account

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wagnerrp:

still fired up from last night it would seem

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EnderTheThird:

i know you can do that with nfs as well, just not sure if that's the default when doing it that way through nautilus

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iamlindoro:

EnderTheThird, The writeable defaults are the same as always, it's merely a warning that you are modifying folder permissions

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iamlindoro:

or rather, a prompt for confirmation to do what it was always doing anyway before

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wagnerrp:

i imagine youre sharing data to a frontend? no need for write permissions for that

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EnderTheThird:

iamlindoro: got ya. and that will set them up as nfs shares so I can edit fstab to automount them as such?

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iamlindoro:

EnderTheThird, Any step you take will likely only be short term, by .22 Myth will stream much of the content that probably matters to you

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EnderTheThird:

wagnerrp: my main Myth server also houses all my personal documents (school, music, video, etc in addition to Myth).

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iamlindoro:

so just do what works for you in the meantime

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EnderTheThird:

the nfs share would be for my personal documents as well as the media files that mythvideo and mythmusic use

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phunyguy:

what are the benefits of NFS?

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wagnerrp:

speed

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wagnerrp:

simplicity

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phunyguy:

hmm

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phunyguy:

samba has always come easy for me

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wagnerrp:

lack of any form of security that might otherwise cause issues

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phunyguy:

laff.

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phunyguy:

true.

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phunyguy:

what about if windows needs to connect?

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wagnerrp:

i dont know of any free NFS clients for windows

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kormoc:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/324055

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phunyguy:

i know there are services for unix on windows

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phunyguy:

but not sure if that was just server OSs

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EnderTheThird:

meh, i'll just leave it as smbfs. not worth screwing around with to save 30 seconds when restarting, heh.

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phunyguy:

cifs*

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wagnerrp:

i need to figure out what to fix in my init scripts to make rebooting possible

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wagnerrp:

network gets shutdown, and then being network booted, the whole system goes kaput

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EnderTheThird:

another annoyance..... i need to get my network up before mythbackend starts up. Right now, the BE starts first which means it doesn't detect my HDHR until i restart it after the network is up.

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wagnerrp:

blame ubuntu/gnome/networkmanager

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wagnerrp:

the recent release of ubuntu runs all networking through network manager by default

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EnderTheThird:

i know it's not myth's fault :)

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wagnerrp:

which doesnt run until you log into X

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Gumby:

hi wagnerrp, you said you unmasked lirc 0.8.4 in gentoo. how does one see which packages/versions are masked in the first place?

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EnderTheThird:

yeah, the new network manager seems great for laptops, but an utter pain for a desktop

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wagnerrp:

i dont know how to tell what is masked or not, but 'genlop -s lirc' will give you the available versions

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wagnerrp:

genlop is not part of the basic package

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wagnerrp:

and you can always just to 'ls /usr/portage/app-misc/lirc'

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wagnerrp:

nevermind, genlop just gives you what youve built in the past

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clever:

what ebuild is genlop part of?

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kormoc:

google

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clever:

wagnerrp: i had similar problems network booting

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clever:

wagnerrp: you have to add eth0 to /etc/network/interfaces and set it for manual config

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clever:

kormoc: emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy "google".

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wagnerrp:

quick! build me internet!

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clever:

lol:)

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wagnerrp:

... oh wait, its gentoo. :P

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wagnerrp:

anyway, the network is set up for manual configuration

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wagnerrp:

boot isnt a problem

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wagnerrp:

its the shutdown

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clever:

ah

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EnderTheThird:

ever wonder what it would be like to just use a computer and not constantly tinker with it? that would be.... weird

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wagnerrp:

the problem is that its not nfsroot, but a real filesystem on an iscsi disk, so the init scripts dont know its a bad thing to kill it

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clever:

yeah

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phunyguy:

my wife asks me all the time why im NOT like that

[06:05:20]

phunyguy:

"WHY CANT YOU JUST BE NORMAL"

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clever:

wagnerrp: ive seen my shutdown scripts murder ntfsmount before

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phunyguy:

"...you married me.."

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EnderTheThird:

sucks to be her, heh

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phunyguy:

:)

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wagnerrp:

the nfsroot situation is correctly handled in gentoo

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wagnerrp:

it has been for several years

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wagnerrp:

but the iscsiroot is a bit more rare

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clever:

wagnerrp: how do you even get gentoo to boot with / on nfs?

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wagnerrp:

same way you do any other OS

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wagnerrp:

enable it in the kernel, add the proper parameters to the boot line

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clever:

add the nfs tools to the initrd :P

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wagnerrp:

no initrd needed

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clever:

but in ubuntu, i just enable a flag in the initrd config

[06:09:25]

clever:

ahhh, thats the much more basic version

[06:09:42]

wagnerrp:

why use an initrd if you dont need one?

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clever:

i was using the stock precompiled kernel with ubuntu

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clever:

i'll have to reresearch the purely kernel based method

[06:13:52]

wagnerrp:

well lets see if this works.... if it did, my backend will come back to life in a few minutes

[06:14:23]

clever:

serial console helps alot for shutdown type problems

[06:14:30]

clever:

you wont loose the console output when it shuts down

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clever:

i played with putting my nfsroot system into standby

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wagnerrp:

i actually have a monitor down there

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wagnerrp:

but its all the way down in the basement

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clever:

the monitor still goes blank when the system turns off:P

[06:15:23]

wagnerrp:

if the system turns off, then theres no problem

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clever:

what if you put /usr on iscsi

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clever:

and made your entire / a tiny ramdisk or something?

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wagnerrp:

then i would have to make individual partitions for each subfolder on / as well

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clever:

why do that?

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clever:

you need bin and etc on the main / partition

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wagnerrp:

so they dont fill up the ramdisk

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clever:

what folders on / would take up space?

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wagnerrp:

tmp and var

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clever:

tmp==tmpfs!

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clever:

var&usr can go to there own parititions

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wagnerrp:

lib fills up pretty nicely too

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clever:

the /lib should only be kernel modules&firmware

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clever:

everything else goes to /usr/lib/ or /usr/local/lib/

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wagnerrp:

time to go reboot the thing in the basement

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Gumby:

wagnerrp: you menioned that you installed lirc-0.8.4 by unmasking it. Ive done this but I have no idea where the heck the kernel modules are. Do you know which package they are part of?

[06:22:29]

wagnerrp:

the lirc kernel modules come in lirc

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wagnerrp:

amazing stuff these package systems.... :)

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Gumby:

they seem to be missing from the gentoo package.

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Gumby:

I installed 0.8.4 and have no lirc kernel modules.

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wagnerrp:

did you add 'LIRC_DEVICES="mceusb2"' to your make.conf?

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Gumby:

hrm. I think I added lirc_mceusb2 let me check

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Gumby:

yes, thats what Ive done

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wagnerrp:

do an 'emerge -vp lirc', it will list all available options

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Gumby:

thanks wagnerrp hopefully I can figure the rest of this out. Its been a real pain

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Gumby:

woohoo, its working.

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wagnerrp:

figured out my problem too

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wagnerrp:

it wasnt the network

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wagnerrp:

iscsi itself was getting nixed, and the modules unloaded

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EnderTheThird:

wow, vdpau makes a huge difference when it actually works, heh

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clever:

wagnerrp: sounds alot like when the shutdown scripts murder ntfsmount

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clever:

which uncleanly umounts the ntfs volumes

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wagnerrp:

why did 802.11a never take off?

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NCommander:

wagnerrp, cause 5.2GHz signals get stopped by just about anything

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wagnerrp:

i mean just looking at the available independent channels, the 2.4GHz band has 3, while the 5GHz band has 24

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wagnerrp:

NCommander

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NCommander:

?

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wagnerrp:

NCommander: if that frequency were really a problem, whats with all the 5 and 6GHz phones

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wagnerrp:

sorry, hit the enter button early

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NCommander:

The 2.4GHz spectrum is overcrowded

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NCommander:

if you have a wireless 2.4Ghz phone near your hotspot, you can loose the wireless signal due to interference

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wagnerrp:

my house is old, with old heavy construction, and the 5GHz phones run just fine in places the 2.4GHz wifi cannot even establish a link

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NCommander:

Different materials stop different signals

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NCommander:

wikipedia has a decent page on this

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test2:

hello,

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Chicago:

Hi

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test2:

the stupid question of he day : can a frontend connect to a backend elsewhere by .. internet ?

[10:19:35]

justinh:

bah. Ideal I recorded last night was snooker instead

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Chicago:

test2: Using ssh or vpn?

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justinh:

test2: no, not unless your .. internet connection is very fast

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clever:

ive done it with vpn

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clever:

but i only had 50kbyte/sec upload

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justinh:

think, for SDTV you need a minimum of 5Mbit upload speed from your backend

[10:20:34]

Chicago:

test2: Ooh... it might be fun to try and do that with a distributed file system like openafs... but you'll have a big big delay between when a recording completes and when it becomes available.

[10:20:34]

clever:

so i had to move the recordings to a 'local' slave backend

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clever:

and even then, it had some lag in the mysql and myth proto

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justinh:

and now all the silly ideas come out of the woodwork

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justinh:

NO is the answer, you can't. not unless your pipe is fat

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test2:

lol

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test2:

ok i forget it ;)

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clever:

or the patch to transcode on the fly is done:P

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justinh:

if you want to watch TV over the internet, mythweb can stream recordings (not livetv) as flash videos

[10:21:57]

clever:

was going to mention that:)

[10:22:03]

justinh:

or you can use something else. i.e. not mythtv

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test2:

ty justin

[10:22:34]

test2:

( & all)

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Chicago:

test2: VLC does a great job of transcoding and streaming on the fly to a small pipe ( read resize to 320x240 @15 fps).

[10:23:13]

test2:

lol .. i tried but have pb with telnet..

[10:25:42]

test2:

Chicago : i already lost days trying this .. but if u have a good script or tutorial .. i'll take it

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test2:

:)

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Chicago:

yeah I do

[10:26:12]

test2:

well..

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justinh:

man vlc ?

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test2:

(too hard.. ;)

[10:30:03]

justinh:

so long as you have ffmpeg with built-in mp3 encoding, mythweb's streaming is very easy to get working

[10:30:36]

Chicago:

agreed

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Chicago:

I needed something to test doing a multicast/unicast gateway...

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Chicago:

VLC -> DSS -> Mobile Phone

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test2:

sry people .. but i cant found mythweb in frontend .. is it a plugin or something?

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test2:

>wiki .. ok

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clever:

mythweb runs in a WEB browser:P

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test2:

ahh..

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test2:

got one.. precisely ;)

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test2:

well.. justinh .. i'm not sure that mythweb can help me ... let me explain again .. i wanted to have more channel (like mms://live.france24.com/france24_fr.wsx, or http://vipmms9.yacast.net/mcm_top ...), and to access to this pressing 'watch tv' in frontend.. (all local, back & frontend in same cpu)

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test2:

is this possible with mythweb?

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Zanthus:

hey, changing the IP address of my mythbox won't mess it up, will it?

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Zanthus:

its a front end/back end

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Zanthus:

with no clients hanging off it

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clever:

the ip in mythtv-setup should either be 127.0.0.1 or the real ip

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clever:

if its 127, then nothing will break when you change the ip

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Zanthus:

cool, thanks :)

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Chicago:

I officially have given blood over MythTV at my apartment. An RG6 coax cable which I was handling snapped back at me under its own rigidity and the copper conductor sliced my nose.

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Chicago:

Not too much blood though... just that now my Comcast connection has been blessed in blood.

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clever:

lol

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Chicago:

mmm dada moom ba ba

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clever:

wagnerrp: got the netbooting working, but now pxe is crapping out

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Zanthus:

gah

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Zanthus:

in the mythtv frontend under "Media Library" -> "Listen to Music" I've got a list of all my music but its all sorted alphabetically by IDv3 tags, not by filenames; is there and option to sort my music collection by file names?

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Zanthus:

at the moment I've got an awful mess where tracks from all albums are all mixed in together

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Zanthus:

nm, sorted it out

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gbee:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/18/barra . . . nd_recovery/

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clever:

finaly, a recovery method!

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justinh:

Chicago: hey you just gave me an idea for a new line of high-spec cables for stuck-up hifi nuts

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Chicago:

justinh: Cool, is it a marketing idea?

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justinh:

yeah. a sure-fire hit if we can find enough virgins

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** clever raises a hand **

[13:54:07]

Chicago:

Did you see the $64,000 turntable on they covered on CNN that was at the CES 2009?

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Dibblah:

You live near <big urban conurbation>, right?

[13:54:27]

Dibblah:

Good luck with the virgin hunt. ;)

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Chicago:

clever: PXE question?

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clever:

Chicago: my PXE is randomly failing the 'media test' and refusing to boot

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clever:

if i change the setting to reboot on failure it should try again

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Chicago:

clever: Is this the first time for you putting together DHCP+TFTP+PXE+NFSROOT?

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Dibblah:

clever: Once again, the solution to your problem is to Buy Something New.

[13:58:05]

Dibblah:

Anything. It's good for the soul.

[13:58:10]

clever:

ive been using pxe+pxelinux+initrd&linux(from ubuntu) for months

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Dibblah:

Who needs an initrd?

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Chicago:

Debian rubbish

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clever:

i just switched to a gentoo kernel&root WITHOUT the initrd! :P

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Chicago:

! yay \o/

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clever:

does that make both of you happy:P

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clever:

but it wasnt even getting to pxelinux because the PXE ROM was failing the media test

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Chicago:

clever: dual NIC box?

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clever:

1 onboard nic, laptop

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Dibblah:

Gentoo never makes anyone happy.

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Chicago:

Gentoo makes me happy all the time.

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clever:

now to get the laptop functioning as a frontend

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clever:

1st, i cant get root over ssh, so i'll need to emerge sudo from the chroot on the server

[14:02:18]

chainsawbike:

why not su?

[14:02:29]

clever:

forgot about that one, i use it so little:P

[14:02:43]

clever:

su: Permission denied

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clever:

and im not in the wheel group :P

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chainsawbike:

:(

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clever:

though i could add myself to wheel from the chroot

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clever:

would be faster then emerge sudo

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keith4:

I have two tuners. I just started 2 recordings, one on each. I can watch both of these recordings in the frontend. If I watch LiveTV, it starts me on the 2nd recording, and I can watch other channels that are in the same multiplex, but I can't change to the other tuner

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wombo_:

Keith4 I have the same problem

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keith4:

i haven't had two tuners since 0.19 or so, when Y changed tuners, iirc

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Chicago:

Y still changes tuners on 21.

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keith4:

doesn't seem to work

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keith4:

i thought that was combined with "change inputs" to the C key, no?

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keith4:

Chicago: it's not in keys.txt anymore

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keith4:

and I don't see it here either: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-11.html

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doodz:

Hey peeps... I've running Mythbuntu (surprise) and got a simple question ... I installed it on a 500gig drive and I'm just wondering where the majority of my hard drive space is so that I can copy larger files to there...I just did default install nothing fancy

[14:37:45]

clever:

doodz: df -h

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doodz:

ahar thanks

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academy:

With 0.21-fixes, trunk before myth-vid and new trunk I get tearing where the bottom inch of the picture is a frame behind the current frame. I have an fx5200 with the 173 drivers and I've used XvMC, XvMC-opengl and XVideo. It's not the end of the world but, does anyone have any suggestions as to how I could fix it? Thanks.

[14:50:04]

academy:

Between trunk and 0.21-fixes I replaced my old fedora install with mythbuntu 8.10

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fuxxy:

I don't know if this is a good thing or a bad thing. Now that I'm running the backend in gdb, I can't get it to segfault :)

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doodz:

clever: I've run 'df -h' but there's 350 gig gone missing somewhere...sda6 says it is using 1.1gig of 137gig...any ideas ?

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afm:

check yer live recording profile to figure out where its storing

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doodz:

well ive only got a fresh install of everything so there should be about 450gig free at least

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doodz:

actually I know why I may have a problem...I installed my system from a backed up image file where the original hard drive was about 180gig...is there a way to tell Ubuntu I now have a 500gig instead ?

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Chicago:

doodz: Try to mount that backup inside the 500 gig filesystem and then rsync your data back into place... boot with rescue mode LiveCD or something.

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doodz:

ok ill check that...

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Zanthus:

hey, just wondering, is it possible to hide menu options in the mythtv frontend?

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GreyFoxx:

edit the xml

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Zanthus:

the xml for the theme?

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jams:

Zanthus- the xml for the menu theme, got an example of what option you want to remove?

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Zanthus:

I just want to take out all of the menu items for NetFlix

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jams:

Zanthus- in that case you could remove the plugin mythflix.

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jams:

when a plugin is removed it's menu items no longer show up.

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Zanthus:

ah, yes

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Zanthus:

sorry, I'm a little tired at the moment

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Zanthus:

its almost 3am here

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Zanthus:

jams: thanks for that :)

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jams:

sure

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Zanthus:

I still need to figure out, or find, a grabber for the movie listings

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Zanthus:

I found one that works, but it crashes due to their being an error in the XML output

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Zanthus:

there's a movie on at the moment called "Marley & Me" and the ampersand, being a reserved character in XML causes problems

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Zanthus:

anyway, that's a job for tomorrow

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academy:

With 0.21-fixes, trunk before myth-vid and new trunk I get tearing where the bottom inch of the picture is a frame behind the current frame. I have an fx5200 with the 173 drivers and I've used XvMC, XvMC-opengl and XVideo. It's not the end of the world but, does anyone have any suggestions as to how I could fix it? Thanks.

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academy:

Between trunk and 0.21-fixes I replaced my old fedora install with mythbuntu 8.10

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** iamlindoro_ grumbles about being at work on a holiday when all his friends are off... **

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** jams is at work as well **

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iamlindoro_:

damn the man

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: Saw your message about Mr Real Estate. Nice evidence to attach to the business name.

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: yes, all very impressive (It was in a different thread talking about how he was "streaming DISH network MPEG-2 and h.264 over wireless")

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: The more I watch the original thread the more convinced I am that he's probably a very, very, very weird person in real life

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: and you don't think it was an R5000 kind of thing (with the R5000 patches)?

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt... but am having trouble giving him that much credit

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iamlindoro_:

besides, don't the patches only apply to -fixes?

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Hmm, looking at the ticket it looks like maybe it does work with trunk-- oh well

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** J-e-f-f-A|work joins iamlindoro_ in his grumbling... as he's at work too... **

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sphery:

There are trunk patches on the ticket, but from what I've read (the first post of the VDPAU thread), I'd be impressed if he was able to get it to apply, especially if he's using VDPAU LiveTV patches or something

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Heh, the last messages in that ticket are clearly from real estate himself

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iamlindoro_:

Both "Bill," quoting the e-mails" "Running Myth trunk 19669 and nVidia binary driver 180.22 with VDPAU, and have frontend Setup|Setup|TVSettings|Plaback|{3rd screen} set up as a VDPAU profile. (> 0 0 vdpau vdpau)"

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sphery:

hm

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iamlindoro_:

quoting the ticket:

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iamlindoro_:

"ou have to compile Myth with --enable-vdpau and --enable-proc-opt then in Setup|Setup|TVSettings|Playback|{3rdScreen}..."

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iamlindoro_:

So yeah, I guess he's using r5000, I take back what I said before

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sphery:

Well, that's good. I hate when satellite TV theives give Myth a bad name.

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iamlindoro_:

He's got his hands full giving himself a bad name :)

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sphery:

But, that's just another case of the bug database being used as a support forum.

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sphery:

when you respond to one of his messages about his using alpha driver support for VDPAU and unsupported R5000 support, he's going to wonder how you saw his setup...

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iamlindoro_:

I give up responding to his messages, I hope he follows through on not being involved in the list :)

[16:26:03]

sphery:

why did he make that promise?

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iamlindoro_:

Because I'm such a jerky jerk :)

[16:26:41]

iamlindoro_:

who calls him names and derides his character and knocked up his teenage daughter

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sphery:

Oh, I understand. We've all considered leaving the list because of you.

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iamlindoro_:

Hey, sometimes I offend ever myself

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iamlindoro_:

even

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sphery:

that 3rd accusation, though, is pretty impressive via e-mail.

[16:27:46]

sphery:

Gotta fill out a rebate form and pay my HOA fees... :( Stupid real life.

[16:27:52]

sphery:

Have fun at work today. :D

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iamlindoro_:

Heh, well, you know me, constantly signing in from different personalities to formulate personal attacks against straingers

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iamlindoro_:

strangers

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iamlindoro_:

*grumble*

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sphery:

Yeah, but at least you're like the US monetary system /used/ to be. Each of your online personalities is backed by another personality in your psyche.

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iamlindoro_:

true... i agree with that

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iamlindoro_:

and so do I

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sphery:

heh

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: HA

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: It's worth reading up the comments in that ticket... there's more from real estate

[16:35:47]

iamlindoro_:

6 weeks ago... "I give up. Sage works. Back to Windows."

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sid3windr:

lol

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iamlindoro_:

"Crap, I just invested another two days trying to make this work, and it's still busted."

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sphery:

So, why don't these people just stick with Sage?

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jams:

I suspect they don't want to pay the fee for every FE, or they just like complaining.

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iamlindoro_:

"Hey, can I use my Sage HD extenders as Myth Frontends???"

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sphery:

and what better way to get a myth user interested in helping them than calling Myth a POJ

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iamlindoro_:

If it's any solace, most people who threaten to go back to windows generally end up back there anyway

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iamlindoro_:

IME

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sphery:

Really, that does help. (I know, it's mean of me to say so.)

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sphery:

It's just that I'd prefer the community to be made up of people willing to help other people, rather than people who believe others should be helping them.

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** jams has helped one person today. The quota has been met. **

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** iamlindoro_ stamps jams' MythTV community card for the day **

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iamlindoro_:

I, on the other hand, am apparently... wait, let me quote exactly...

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laga:

what do you get when it's full?

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poodyp1:

a free beer

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iamlindoro_:

"You aren't interested in contributing. You are not here to improve others' situations."

[16:54:53]

iamlindoro_:

"You are here to attack and belittle."

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iamlindoro_:

"The community is poorer for it though."

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iamlindoro_:

Aw dang it, I broke the Myth community

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: Great, and now that we're broke (poor), we're forced to get by with free (as in beer) software that other people wouldn't be willing to pay money for. So, how's that theme of yours coming?

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iamlindoro_:

It's the finest theme money can't buy

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iamlindoro_:

Yo' HTPC software poor the menu materials are see through! http://robertmcnamara.smugmug.com/gallery/706 . . . 305481_95Jfh

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iamlindoro_:

er so poor

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sphery:

can't even afford a proper opaque background...

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sphery:

Nice work on the theme, though. Looks great. Are you sure it's MythTV, though? Maybe you're using Sage and you forgot. (Though really, it looks like a nice UI, so it /must/ be XBMC.)

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jduggan:

iamlindoro_: wow, props to you, that theme is looking like something else

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iamlindoro_:

jduggan: Thanks!

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: thanks. I'm pretty sure it's boxee, right? Sometimes I black out

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sphery:

heh

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro_: #1 is still my favorite... Probably yours too, since it's #1 after all! ;-)

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A|work: Boobies? Boobies are always my favorite

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iamlindoro_:

I'm actually rather fond of the PBB and MythVideo, but they're becoming like a scab, I need to stop picking at them and do the less fun screens

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro_: hehe... ;-)

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jduggan:

picking is fine, its when you start chewing that you know it has got bad

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iamlindoro_:

Inheritance is a huge, huge help with this stuff, though... define the base button, buttonlist, arrows, popups, etc. and it trickles down to so many screens where all you need to do is do the layout

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iamlindoro_:

and whatever random one-off widgets or animations are called for for that screen

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** jams thinks iamlindoro_ should try doing a theme with the old ui. **

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iamlindoro_:

jams: Why do you hate me?

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iamlindoro_:

Here I was thinking we were cool, but after that...

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jams:

heh

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Anduin:

it is weird in the PBB to have the group connected to item details

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iamlindoro_:

Hmm... Maybe so.

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iamlindoro_:

(although when the groups are active they too show in the detail box)

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Anduin:

won't stop me from using it when you've finished of course

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iamlindoro_:

You've got a point, though... Hrm. There are one or two things I'm struggling with about that screen, and now there's a new one on the list :)

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shadn_:

anybody here doing work on the windows port?

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iamlindoro_:

shadn_: I think it's fair to say that the only work done on the windows port in many months has been in furtherance of occasionally sort of making it compile

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iamlindoro_:

maybe

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iamlindoro_:

ish

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iamlindoro_:

a bit

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iamlindoro_:

if you're lucky and the wind is blowing just right

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Anduin:

and most of the people who do occasionally work on it don't irc

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shadash:

I just wanted to suggest using this http://eol.ovh.org/winexe/ + samba so the entire windows compile/install script could be run from a bash script on Linux but installed on remote windows systems

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shadash:

I've done it with an application and it works very well + keeps me off the windows systems

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shadash:

might make the windows port more interesting to linux/unix people

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iamlindoro_:

I don't quite understand what advantage that would be-- you'd just be kicking off the commands *from* a linux box, they'd still be executed on the windows box

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shadash:

yes

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iamlindoro_:

Seems to add a layer of unnecessary complexity

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shadash:

the advantage is you can remotely install on windows systems

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shadash:

and you don't need to log into them

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iamlindoro_:

You *do* need to log into them, you just do it using this command line

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shadash:

plus bash scripting makes more sense

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shadash:

you're right

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Scopeuk:

the current script is in python which kinda works but the grabbing of files is painfully slow compared with say native wget

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iamlindoro_:

pretty sure the current script is Perl

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shadash:

wget to the linux system mv to the samba share mount the samba share to windows mv to c:

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Scopeuk:

iamlindoro i may be mistaken i get thsoe two mixed up

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shadash:

or xcopy to c: if you're on dos

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Scopeuk:

shadash or grab the native compile of wget for windows and jsut do it on the platform itself

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shadash:

that would work to

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shadash:

but wget is not natively on windows

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iamlindoro_:

Still having a hard time seeing how that would be easier or more intuitive than opening a command prompt, running MythInstaller, and walking away

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iamlindoro_:

Especially as to install remotely you need to enable services on the windows side

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Scopeuk:

iamlindoro think i agree with you

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shadash:

nothing needs to be enabled on windows

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shadash:

it's on by default

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Scopeuk:

shadash on by default doesent mean its on

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iamlindoro_:

If you have simple file sharing on (and most people do) then the IPC and admin shared are *off* by default

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shadash:

can you to psexec to most windows systems?

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iamlindoro_:

And if you've on the Windows box to fix/enable those, then again, why not just run the batch script and walk away?

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shadash:

becasue dos scripting sux

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iamlindoro_:

ummm... ok.

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iamlindoro_:

Not a very compelling argument, since it works just fine in this case

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shadash:

it's just more flexable modiying files from a bash script with sed + awk

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shadash:

batch scripting is stupid

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iamlindoro_:

99% of people trying to build on windows are going to do it natively, so any solution needs to work there

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iamlindoro_:

Stupid is requiring a second computer to install it on the first

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Anduin:

and the .bat is just to run perl anyway

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clever:

what site should i check to see what sata cards work under linux?

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shadash:

looking through the windows myth install script 1st thing it does is... "Checks for Perl, attempts to download latest win32-packager.pl"

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iamlindoro_:

Yes. And?

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shadash:

then d/l's + installs perl if need be

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iamlindoro_:

Yes. Again, so what? It nicely installs any and all pre-requisites, up to and including perl to run the perl build script

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Chicago:

clever: Be clever and check the kernel. 'cd /usr/src/linux' then 'make menuconfig' -> Device Drivers -> SATA

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shadash:

I'm looking

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iamlindoro_:

looking for a reason to find fault with it, or...?

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clever:

Chicago: the card is a little too generic, id have to go by the id on the chips

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Chicago:

clever: The lspci output or the output from lshw should be sufficient.

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clever:

the only thing i can realy do is research it, or shove it in a box with every posible module compiled

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clever:

i havent put it in a system yet

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clever:

its got pata, sata, and usb!

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shadash:

so you're expected to build perl? Why not have precompiled binaries copied over? Admitedly I'm not a perl developer.

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Chicago:

clever: Good idea, download a LiveCD, like the Gentoo 2008-r1 LiveCD for example and then once you're booted successfully do 'lspci -k' it will inform you which module the device accepts.

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iamlindoro_:

You *don't* build perl. If it's not there, it downloads, installs, then calls it.

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Anduin:

shadash: activestate perl....

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clever:

Chicago: ive allready got a full gentoo install on a few systems

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clever:

but id need to open a case and actualy install the card to do that

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iamlindoro_:

or rather, opens the site so you can download it, but no building of perl anyway

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clever:

http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html#via6421 i think matches the card

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Chicago:

Well if you used gentoo-sources, you probably don't have strange arbitrary modules compiled... but with the LiveCD, you can do the detection with 'lspci -k'

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clever:

Chicago: yeah, ive been turning practicaly every module off

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Chicago:

The -k actually tells you which module is associated with the device.

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clever:

but ubuntu has 99% of the modules still enabled and present

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shadash:

iamlindoro_: The bigest reason I can see for using http://eol.ovh.org/winexe/ + samba for the windows myth script is the backend currently has to be Linux. Include a script the backend that just need to be executed. Have it ask a couple of questions then myth is installed on a windows system

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shadash:

and it's configured

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iamlindoro_:

shadash: The backend runs on linux, windows, and Mac OS (to varying degrees)

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shadash:

less barriors to entry

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shadash:

I've heard the backed under window is poor

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jedi__:

windows myth backend?

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iamlindoro_:

The frontend on windows is poor

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iamlindoro_:

(als)

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iamlindoro_:

also

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clever:

ive run mythbackend under colinux without trouble

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jedi__:

I have two backends running against the same storage. can I tell myth not to double report the storage for the 2nd backend?

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iamlindoro_:

shadash: It doesn't change the fact that most people will want to install a new program from the system it will be running on, and doing otherwise only makes Myth *less* intuitive

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clever:

but it can only use network capture devices(in theory) or useless slave

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shadash:

maybe

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shadash:

depending on you're exposure i guess

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iamlindoro_:

*shrug*, feel free to write up a remote build script and submit it in a ticket, but it would need to run parallel to the existing build script (or parse the latest), I don't see it becoming the "default."

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shadash:

* might *

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shadash:

now that mythdora is using fedora 10

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iamlindoro_:

Har Har "theme blootubelite-wide has file "menu-ui.xml" that is corrupted begin at line 710. A fixed version needs to be checked in."

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Chicago:

hehe

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iamlindoro_:

And I want a pony!

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justinh:

a fixed version needs to be checked in?

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justinh:

where is this 'fixed version' ?

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justinh:

or seen as it's me, where's the 'won't fix' button?

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Anduin:

justinh: iamlindoro_ just added it

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: Heh, funny you should ask

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justinh:

the sooner those themes break irrepairably the better

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iamlindoro_:

Would have taken him 5 seconds to compare that clause to the one in the other menu-ui, but...

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iamlindoro_:

Yeah, debated leaving it alone entirely, but... maybe it would be better just to remove them altogether?

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justinh:

out of interest what was up with it?

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justinh:

removing them isn't an option I'm afraid. they just have to be left to rot

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iamlindoro_:

Looks like an errant paste

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justinh:

typical me

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iamlindoro_:

Well MythPhone got removed :)

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iamlindoro_:

If someone is really motivated they can pull up a revision pre-removal to get it

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justinh:

blootube-wide itself might be worth saving, but the more cover art / fan art gains use, themes with immovable backgrounds will die out naturally

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Chicago:

justinh: What was your idea from earlier?

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shadash:

iamlindoro_: what's a better design? To have users d/l the latest + greatest then compile/install. Or to provide the tested working version to users.

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shadash:

from a myth dev standpoint

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iamlindoro_:

shadash: Latest and greatest generally isn't an option with the windows port, since it only ever seems to work as of the revision when it was last fixed

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iamlindoro_:

I believe the revisions are hardcoded into the build scripts for fixes

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shadash:

yea they are

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AlmightyOatmeal:

can i just install a remote frontend or do i need to compile the whole works to get the FE

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AlmightyOatmeal:

?

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Anduin:

AlmightyOatmeal: everything, luckily it doesn't add much to the compile

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iamlindoro_:

AlmightyOatmeal: The backend files only add a few megabytes, it will not really slow down a compile, nor will it take much space on a disk-- the only supported setup is to install the entire package

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iamlindoro_:

gah, beat me to it

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AlmightyOatmeal:

i was hoping there was something seperate.. mythtv doesn't like freebsd and i'm just trying to get the frontend working on my laptop while the backend is downstairs

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shadash:

Windows sucks b/c you have to add soo much stuff to make it useable. (compaired to linux)

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shadash:

iamlindoro_: see oatmeal is proving my point

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iamlindoro_:

shadash: What does his question have to do at all with yours?

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AlmightyOatmeal:

did i miss something?

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Anduin:

AlmightyOatmeal: there is a secret option for porting to not build the backend, think it is disabled because people abused it

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iamlindoro_:

shadash: His question has nothing to do with Windows, and nothing to do with where he wants to build it, so....

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shadash:

typical user install's mythdora/mythbuntu as a frontend/backend

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AlmightyOatmeal:

Anduin: it was marked as broken in freebsd ports because no one maintains the linux compatability/mythtv for freebsd

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shadash:

then they create a backend

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shadash:

then they want to push out frontends

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AlmightyOatmeal:

i'm not going to replace freebsd on my laptop just to get a mythtv frontend hehe

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iamlindoro_:

shadash: jesus christ, will you let it go? If you think it would be better done your way, then write it and see what happens

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iamlindoro_:

But I *promise* you that remote installs will not replace local ones as the default option

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shadash:

no use working on it then

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iamlindoro_:

not IMO, but I have nothing to do with the Windows port, and if it works for *you* then you should write it

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iamlindoro_:

And if other people use it, fantastic

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iamlindoro_:

And there you have the Myth dev philosophy and the reason feature requests without patches get sent to /dev/null ;)

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justinh:

anyway folks by the time I get done with this concept theme, gbee has put the finishing touches on Terra & iamlindoro_ is done on his.. lest we forget the other work in progress theme.. hopefully everybody will forget all about projectgrayham (might as well call it that since so many others tend to) & the blootube family

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justinh:

that's my plan anyway. besides, anybody else is free to submit patches if they want to eke more life out of older stuff

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iamlindoro_:

No reason to keep working on things when you don't want to any more just because you wrote them in the first place

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justinh:

last time I saw projectgrayhem-wide I was tempted to save it too, but this concept theme is taking all my time & motivation right now

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justinh:

hey, it's mister pearody-wide in the channel :) evenin Dubstar_04

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Dubstar_04:

has anyone seen any screenshots from the terra theme?

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justinh:

Dubstar_04: people are anxious to download your theme but they can't seem to find it anywhere. I had an old copy lying around which I tarred up & put on my webspace

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justinh:

Dubstar_04: yeah, there are some linked to on a -users list post

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justinh:

and gbee drops new ones in here from time to time

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academy:

With 0.21-fixes, trunk before myth-vid and new trunk I get tearing where the bottom inch of the picture is a frame behind the current frame. I have an fx5200 with the 173 drivers and I've used XvMC, XvMC-opengl and XVideo. It's not the end of the world but, does anyone have any suggestions as to how I could fix it? Thanks.

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iamlindoro_:

And on the original terra commit IIRC

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academy:

Between trunk and 0.21-fixes I replaced my old fedora install with mythbuntu 8.10

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AlmightyOatmeal:

does mythtv have a upnp/dnla server built in by chance?

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justinh:

Dubstar_04: are you going to continue to support it or is it dropped, and do you have plans to do another? ;)

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GreyFoxx:

AlmightyOatmeal: It does for serving up recordings and such

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Dubstar_04:

justinh the pearody needs loads of work doing on it still. I gave up in the end and started learning c++

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justinh:

heh

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AlmightyOatmeal:

GreyFoxx: nice. is it a special plugin or built in by default?

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GreyFoxx:

built in to mythbackend

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iamlindoro_:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/19681/

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iamlindoro_:

Screenshots at the top

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justinh:

Dubstar_04: I'll take that as you're leaving it for somebody to rescue then :)

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AlmightyOatmeal:

nice

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Dubstar_04:

I will be working on a new theme when the mythui is more final

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justinh:

Dubstar_04: just somebody came in here asking about its whereabouts & I did a little digging. seems there are more results for people trying to find it now ;)

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justinh:

Dubstar_04: it's pretty much there on a lot of screens now. there's certainly more than enough to get your head around compared to the old ui libs

[18:35:17]

justinh:

hmm this animated watched icon is a little too comical

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iamlindoro_:

Plus, advantage of starting now is being able to influence how certain things end up behaving as they're written

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Dubstar_04:

I love the screenshots

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justinh:

it's a mould-breaker, but so's iamlindoro's work. my new one, maybe less so

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Dubstar_04:

justinh do you have any screenshots?

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Dubstar_04:

or links

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justinh:

Dubstar_04: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/screenshots/

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justinh:

all subject to change of course.. so they likely will

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justinh:

and animated icons are being dropped in here: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/animated/

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justinh:

hahaha not that you can tell on a white page background. lol

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meshe:

what are the themes written in?

[18:39:45]

justinh:

xml

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Dubstar_04:

justinh I like the pbb1 recordings screen

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meshe:

yeah, sweet theme

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justinh:

Dubstar_04: aye, that background is staying. looks more teal than green on my laptop but I like both looks

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justinh:

working on animated icons for stuff now. it's a ballbreaker of a job but somebody's gotta do it

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Dubstar_04:

I have got the new G1 phone and that has some interesting screen layouts that could be used in myth

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iamlindoro_:

You can do a lot with alphapulse and inkscapes transform tools ;)

[18:44:07]

justinh:

iamlindoro_: yeah but if you want _real_ animation it's much, much harder ;)

[18:44:39]

iamlindoro_:

justinh: I'm not that wedded to animations beyond recording/transcoding/commflagging

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justinh:

I'm doing it cos it's fun :)

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iamlindoro_:

well yeah :)

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justinh:

Dubstar_04: the main thing about mythui is much less rigid stipulations on screen layout

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justinh:

the menus are still vertical, horizton or grid-based though.. no cross menus yet... but I see that as a good thing

[18:46:28]

justinh:

horizton.. a new word, meaning _horiztontal_

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justinh:

ffs

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justinh:

horizontal even

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meshe:

hehe

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mo0dbo0m:

hey all – is there a way to rescan videos or music from the command line/in a script? or timed?

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justinh:

mo0dbo0m: nope

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Dubstar_04:

where are we at with trunk. is it useable on a day to day basis?

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justinh:

Dubstar_04: yup

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justinh:

though I wouldn't recommend it. get a development system, be it on a virtual machine or a spare box

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Anduin:

mo0dbo0m: for videos you can use find_meta.py

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mo0dbo0m:

justinh: thanks for the quick reply at least! haha that was like .2 ms

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Dubstar_04:

I am gonna get my laptop out an do a build and start playing

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meshe:

I did find some C code that you can compile that will rescan the videos, they modded the source from myth to do so

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mo0dbo0m:

Anduin: tnx, will check it out

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justinh:

mo0dbo0m: in 0.22 you'll be able to scan for new videos without even leaving the plugin you play stuff from :)

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justinh:

i.e. the video manager is now available from a popup menu along with change views etc

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** iamlindoro_ hisses at the video manager **

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Anduin:

0.22 will hopefully always scan, may not make it in, but eventually

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justinh:

easy to tell who downloads media blindly innit

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meshe:

iamlindoro_: hehe, i have to use vnc and a keyboard to sort my videos in videomanager, 1400+

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iamlindoro_:

meshe: IMO since the metadata editing *and* scanning both appear in the context menus now, the video manager should go bye bye

[18:50:32]

Dubstar_04:

I assume at 140 tickets 0.22 won't be stable this year?

[18:50:36]

justinh:

iamlindoro_: it's only a menu item edit away

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justinh:

140 is nothing

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meshe:

if that's available in 22, when i upgrade to 22 i won't ever look at it again

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iamlindoro_:

.22 will probably be in the first half of the year by most estimates

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Anduin:

only 140 would be great

[18:51:01]

mo0dbo0m:

justinh: cool, i'm just hoping to automate everything i can :>

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meshe:

mo0dbo0m: http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-dev/20 . . . /030172.html

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Dubstar_04:

well i best get busy then

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justinh:

it's always been possible to make it automagical, but it took somebody to write something AND make it public

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Dubstar_04:

i was hoping to release a plugin for 0.22 also!!

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justinh:

hmmm?

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GreyFoxx:

Anduin: A live filesystem navigation or going to fix the "browses file system" stuff ?

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Anduin:

iamlindoro_: the video manager will probably stay, even if it is only so that there is a good place to have filters you wouldn't enable in other screens

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iamlindoro_:

phooey

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: you're just sore cos it's another screen you have to theme :P

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iamlindoro_:

Anduin: Guess I'd better get to work figuring out what to do themingwise then :)

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: HA

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iamlindoro_:

true

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mo0dbo0m:

meshe: thanks!

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jams:

Dubstar_04- whats the plugin do?

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justinh:

can't wait til mytharchive is ported. man

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Dubstar_04:

that would be telling

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justinh:

sounds 3rd party :-\

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Anduin:

iamlindoro_: things are negotiable, I hate doing more work as well, but parental level, browsable, ick like that

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meshe:

mo0dbo0m: i was looking for the same thing as I send files to my parents myth box over scp and i can't rescan remotely

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meshe:

never implemented it though

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Anduin:

GreyFoxx: eventually, initially just a normal scan informed by Qt dir watch stuff.

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GreyFoxx:

I got the mythvideo streaming patch updated last night. I'm going to run it this week and fix the little bits I find as not not working and such and I'll open aticket for it this weekend for people to look it over for anything I missed

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iamlindoro_:

Anduin: It just seems so redundant at this point-- the layout might as well be Browse mode, and the context menus expose the same functionality

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GreyFoxx:

Only a couple of things to change that are obvious at this point

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mo0dbo0m:

meshe: i'll see how far i can get with it, thanks

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: yeah how else will we edit our metadata? since we're gonna be relying on tmdb.com et al... I think we should reserve the right to have _correct_ data

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justinh:

;)

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: But... you can do that from any view now!

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aegis:

Hi all... I'm about to pull the trigger on the parts purchase for an HTPC (network booted). Please let me know if you think I'm missing anything or if you'd recommend something different. Antec 430 Fusion Media Case, GA-E7AUM-DS2H mobo, Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz LGA 775 65W Dual Core Processor, Scythe Ninja Mini CPU heatsink, Corsaie 2GB DDR2 PC6400 XMS Extreme (2 x 1 GB)

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Anduin:

GreyFoxx: You should just commit it :)

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iamlindoro_:

We'll help you find bugs ;)

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GreyFoxx:

Anduin: k :)

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GreyFoxx:

I still wanna runn it for a few more days

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GreyFoxx:

but once that's over I'll just commit it

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meshe:

btw, i think it was GreyFoxx that suggested i switch to using Internal for mythvideo, thanks worked great for my audio sync issues

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cesman:

aegis: looks good, but no tuners?

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Anduin:

Yeah, just saying opening a ticket will get like one person looking at it

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GreyFoxx:

meshs: cool :)

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cesman:

aegis: ahh... just a frontend I see

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GreyFoxx:

mese: And it's nice to keep all the features and consistant OSD :)

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aegis:

cesman: the tuners will be in the backend... a separate backend. Sorry for not mentioning that.

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meshe:

GreyFoxx: agreed, and it so far seems to play all of my videos without audio sync issues

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iamlindoro_:

Speaking of OSD, I'm psyched for my sexy MythUI OSD

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Anduin:

iamlindoro_: I admit to never using the screen after gbee's work, but I also don't use parental level and take things for browsing

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meshe:

need a button on the remote to bring the time up if you're looking for suggestions ;)

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iamlindoro_:

Anduin: Doesn't the Manager sort of circumvent the parental controls if anyone can get to it?

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iamlindoro_:

Or... wait... I think I must be misunderstanding something about its usefulness

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Anduin:

iamlindoro_: it is checked before you are allowed in

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iamlindoro_:

(obviously, I too don't use parental controls :) )

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Anduin:

iamlindoro_: but you can hide items, the manager shows them, I don't use it but would imagine it would be annoying without that view

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aegis:

cesman: I debated going with the AMD Athlon 64 x2 6000+ 3.1GHz dual core processor (witha different mobo (GA-EG45M-DSH2) which used an intergrated intel graphics card, however, the L2 Cache was much more limited. It would be $100 cheaper though.)

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iamlindoro_:

Anduin: Ah, hm. Don't suppose a "Show hidden items" context menu item would do just as well?

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AlmightyOatmeal:

aegis: do you know if the o/b intel graphics had hardware mpeg2 decoding?

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iamlindoro_:

Anduin: OH, speaking of which, have you noticed that "Disable flat view" doesn't stick? Only lasts as long as the frontend session

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AlmightyOatmeal:

i have an onboard intel 915G graphics card :(

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Anduin:

iamlindoro_: I haven't, I'll make a note to check it.

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aegis:

AlmightyOatmeal: It says "Integrated into the system are an Intel GMA x4500HD graphics sub-system with support for DX10, Intel Clear Video and full hardware HD decoding. Video outputs through your choice of a DVI or HDMI port. Sound is not forgotten with Dolby Home Theater sound and a Realtek 8 channel audio chipset. "

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iamlindoro_:

Anduin: Cool

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Anduin:

iamlindoro_: and no need for a menu for that, the filter can show them

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AlmightyOatmeal:

impressive

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Anduin:

(it is just more work)

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iamlindoro_:

Anduin: Understood... Besides, I'd much rather have fanart :)

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aegis:

AlmightyOatmeal: Here is the newegg link... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . A-EG45M-DS2H

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aegis:

It only ends up being $100 cheaper than a system with a dual core intel processor w/ an nvidia card.....

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GreyFoxx:

meshe: Hit 'I'

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GreyFoxx:

it will bring up the time (assuming the OSD theme supports it) and the current playback possition

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GreyFoxx:

hit it a second time and it will give a more indepth description

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Anduin:

iamlindoro_: last weekend was HDD failure, this one was rare overlapping time off, you're whole "select fanart" thing is also going to make it more work

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meshe:

hmmm, i'll have to check that out, thanks :)

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Anduin:

er your

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iamlindoro_:

Anduin: Which thing now?

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Anduin:

iamlindoro_: Oh, nothing, it is just that I had considered, well making it a lot like poster selection (in other words, you don't choose)

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iamlindoro_:

Anduin: Ahhh, I don't see a problem with that myself, if someone doesn't like what they get they can always drop another one it

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iamlindoro_:

in

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iamlindoro_:

I neer said anything about selecting fanart :)

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Anduin:

Yeah, but it is also a good excuse to allow for poster selection as well

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Anduin:

Not directly, just hinted at choice.

[19:08:06]

iamlindoro_:

Well I wouldn't kick it out of bed for eacting crackers :)

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iamlindoro_:

UGH, when did my fingers go retarded?

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iamlindoro_:

eatin

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iamlindoro_:

eating

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iamlindoro_:

!trout iamlindoro mavisbeacon

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** MythLogBot slaps iamlindoro with a mavisbeacon trout on behalf of iamlindoro_... **

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kormoc:

iamlindoro_, does it correlate to the amount of time in irc?

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iamlindoro_:

kormoc: Very possible... may be exacerbated by time spent reading mailing lists

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iamlindoro_:

Like living under power lines, next to a nuclear plant

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AlmightyOatmeal:

iamlindoro_: that sounds like where i was born actually

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AlmightyOatmeal:

silly soviet union

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iamlindoro_:

"No, Timur, lots of boys have three eyes and six nipples!"

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AlmightyOatmeal:

except my anatomy is rather fine :P

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kormoc:

Do they have fireflys over there or are they all just radioactive?

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AlmightyOatmeal:

kormoc: radioactive.

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kormoc:

if you consider an anatomy completely immune to vodka as rather fine, perhaps

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** AlmightyOatmeal shrugs **

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GreyFoxx:

iamldor: So, they doing any better on the blu-ray playback stuff these days ?

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GreyFoxx:

I can't find the URL to that thread :)

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laga:

GreyFoxx: might wanna highlight iamlindoro_ properly ;)

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iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx: Google "Finally handling bd+", first result-- they've made some progress but a user friendly tool is probably a ways off

[19:23:24]

iamlindoro_:

I think they have at least the first couple generations of bd+ working properly, though

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clever:

doom9?

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iamlindoro_:

yes, on doom 9

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clever:

found the right one then:)

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: if you're that riled about theming the manager, just take a leaf out of the lazy themer's book ;)

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: Heh, naw, I'll do it, just won't be too creative

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justinh:

screens like that need more functionality than 'wow' factor anyway IMHO

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justinh:

and by taking a leaf out of my book I didn't mean just don't do it ;)

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iamlindoro_:

I don't think your book is the lazy themers book

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iamlindoro_:

Not given the ration of myth themes which were done by you

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iamlindoro_:

ratio

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iamlindoro_:

!trout iamlindoro typingtutorturtle

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** MythLogBot slaps iamlindoro with a typingtutorturtle trout on behalf of iamlindoro_... **

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justinh:

you don't think? wow. I hid my coying & pasting well then :P

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justinh:

*copying

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kormoc:

justinh, it's all about copying and pasting the correct things ;)

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justinh:

loads of my cruft still contain a lot of the themes they're based on, look at image names, font names etc for clues ;)

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iamlindoro_:

Oh well, at least base.xml and menu-ui.xml in my theme started as default-wide

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iamlindoro_:

But have probably changed enough that it *might* escape someone

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iamlindoro_:

but might not

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justinh:

if you look at the sheer number of themes which take mythcenter as their base... phew

[19:32:53]

iamlindoro_:

When I finish the theme I'll go in and cull the font definitions that I didn't modify and use myself (basesmallpurple et al)

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justinh:

I can see me writing a little set of scripts to go in & find unused stuff as well as missing things

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justinh:

bout time I boned up on my perl-fu again

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justinh:

what there ever was of it

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Anduin:

if someone does it should go in trunk somewhere, I have a themelint python script that only checks for missing images that I'd love to delete

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justinh:

let's face it.. I've needed to write one for as long as I've been making themes :P

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** iamlindoro_ wonders if it's more fun to be an old salt themer when there are lots of people around doing it lately **

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iamlindoro_:

well... lots given history, anyway

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keith4:

can anyone offer an opinion of the suitability of the (rumored) upcoming atom-based mini as a HD frontend?

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: it is & it isn't. knowing your way around is one thing, being set in your old ways is another

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GreyFoxx:

Atom based mac mini ?

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iamlindoro_:

Would be suitable if it also includes nvidia Ion graphics once VDPAU settles down

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GreyFoxx:

Or do the mean the possible nvidia ion unit ?

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GreyFoxx:

I want one of the ions to play with. That will be quite nifty :)

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keith4:

GreyFoxx: yah. the ion is the dual-core atom, no?

[19:43:22]

GreyFoxx:

dualcore, plus nvidia chipset

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: I just meant not feeling like you're toiling all alone with nobody knowing what work it is :)

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GreyFoxx:

hdmi, and all kinds of good stuff

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keith4:

hdmi? slick

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keith4:

i've been considering another frontend. looking at the current and past gen minis

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GreyFoxx:

keith_: http://www.dailytech.com/NVIDIA+Unveils+Ion+P . . . cle13723.htm

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GreyFoxx:

That just makes me drool :)

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keith4:

holy crap that's small

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: it's nice to not feel like a frickin one-man band anymore, if that's what you mean

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: That's what I mean :)

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keith4:

GreyFoxx: better suited than current c2d minis?

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GreyFoxx:

keith_: Yeah, I'm thinking of mounting them in tiny boxes right on the TV's :)

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justinh:

I never counted mediaportal skin hacks as real themes, sorry mr mepo

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keith4:

GreyFoxx: yah. I can see double-sided taping one of those to the back of the TV

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GreyFoxx:

The heat from the TV might not make tape your best option heh

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GreyFoxx:

but a couple of standard screens and you'd be good to go

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GreyFoxx:

err standard screws, not screens

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iamlindoro_:

Same chipset will also be available to third parties most likely so You may be able to get same in a chintsier box for less, if all you intend to do is mount it behind the TV

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iamlindoro_:

ie if it's going to be hidden anyway, might as well save a few bucks if oyu can get the same hardware elsewhere

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iamlindoro_:

(and that's coming from a manc owner/fan)

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iamlindoro_:

mac

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justinh:

the manc mini?

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justinh:

lol

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GreyFoxx:

I have a mac mini on my desk

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justinh:

y'aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahl raaaaaaaaaaaaaaht? wanna watch some telleh tonaaaaaaaaaaaaaht?

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GreyFoxx:

I used it as a desktop for a year at home

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GreyFoxx:

it was great

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unimaginative:

justinh: don't mock me.

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: the manc mini comes with its own mirror, razorblade & gun

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: Heh, Not knowing the cultural stereotypes, I'm forced to draw parallels to our own ;)

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justinh:

unimaginative: yeah just look at my ip guy

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iamlindoro_:

I believe he thought you were making fun of our southerners

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justinh:

been here over 10 years, still don't feel welcome in this part of the 'north' of England

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unimaginative:

justinh: I can't tell squat from your IP. Your hostame helps though..

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unimaginative:

justinh: look at mine :)

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justinh:

manchestuh!

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justinh:

you can't really do a mancs accent in text form though..

[19:50:47]

justinh:

so you should watch Ideal or better yet, Shameless

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** justinh smacks inkscape over the head again **

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justinh:

work!

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justinh:

is this why a lot of the creative commons wikimedia looks like this? http://wiki.laptop.org/images/8/80/Icon_Hourglass.svg

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iamlindoro_:

rotate 22.5 degrees. Reduce opacity by 12.5. Save. Rotate 22.5 degrees. Reduce Opactiy by 12.5. Save. Rotate by...

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keith4:

iamlindoro_: true. i suppose if I'm going to just put linux on the mini anyway, might as well get a non-mac ion

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iamlindoro_:

keith4: That said, there's been som speculation that it's actuall for new apple TVs, in which case it'll be unlikely you can beat the price

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iamlindoro_:

some, actually

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justinh:

what? inkscape has no 'duplicate layer' function? argghhh

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** unimaginative hopes his new TV will have some method for monitoring on/off/input status from linux. **

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justinh:

wonder if anybody's looking at hdmi 3 with its power switcher offery gadget promise...

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justinh:

and for added wonderment, an ethernet implementation in the next hdmi incarnation. yay. oh and a new connector

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keith4:

unimaginative: mine does!

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keith4:

in fact, it's connected to my frontend via a serial cable. pretty neat. my crowning achievement was the "figure out what channel i'm watching, change to the mythTV input, and change myth to that same channel" script

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iamlindoro_:

As long as your TV has discrete codes for each input and on *and* off, you're set

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academy:

With 0.21-fixes, trunk before myth-vid and new trunk I get tearing where the bottom inch of the picture is a frame behind the current frame. I have an fx5200 with the 173 drivers and I've used XvMC, XvMC-opengl and XVideo. It's not the end of the world but, does anyone have any suggestions as to how I could fix it? Thanks.

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GreyFoxx:

unimaginative_: Mine has rsa232 I can use for controlling it, and I can kinda "trick" it into telling me if it's on or off

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academy:

Between trunk and 0.21-fixes I replaced my old fedora install with mythbuntu 8.10

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laga:

academy: enable xv sync?

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GreyFoxx:

but so far I have no way to tell what input it's set to :/

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GreyFoxx:

I want to script some stuff but I ONLY want them to happen if I'm on a specific input with the TV on

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academy:

laga: do you mean vsync? it's on.

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unimaginative:

GreyFoxx: exactly. It's hard to program a 'dumb' script with no knowledge of the TV status. What TV do you have perchance?

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academy:

laga: and I'm also playing the output on an LCD via VGA

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GreyFoxx:

An LG 42Inch LCD flatscreen

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GreyFoxx:

Can remember the exact model off hand

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GreyFoxx:

I've written a script to do all the on/off/setaspect/set input stuff

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unimaginative:

GreyFoxx: I'm looking at getting a Samsung 46A750 or mabye 850 when income tax comes in.

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GreyFoxx:

cool

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unimaginative:

currently I'm running a 27" tube TV.

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unimaginative:

through S-video /

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sphery:

That was weird. Lost all name resolution capability about 2hrs ago, but /everything/ else on the Internet worked fine. Since I'm running my own caching-only name server, I figured it was my config, so started debugging it and went so far as resetting the cable modem and rebooting the gateway/name server (thereby losing even the in-memory cached IP's--and my ability to do IRC/net radio). Finally tried setting my system to use ...

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sphery:

... my ISP's name servers and still got nothing, so I determined it couldn't be me, so called a friend with the same cable 'net service and no one had name resolution. Of course, the ISP fixed it 5 minutes after calling the friend.

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Scopeuk:

could be wose unimaginative could be composite

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Scopeuk:

sphery that use to rutinly happen in the flats i was in last year ended up moving over to ripes name servers

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GreyFoxx:

sphery: haha

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unimaginative:

Scopeuk: yeah, but it's all SD. I try to use my laptop as a frontend every chance I get

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** Scopeuk only gets sd content **

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Scopeuk:

its a fair point though

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AlmightyOatmeal:

aww :(

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: and the worst part of it is that I now don't know what happened in #mythtv during the time I was off IRC... 8|

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AlmightyOatmeal:

whenever i go to "Watch TV" the screen goes black and I need to restart X :'(

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: absolutely nothing

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sphery:

whew!

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unimaginative:

GreyFoxx: I was kinda hoping that when attached via HDMI/VGA/DVI the TV would respond to DPMS signals.

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keith4:

ha

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AlmightyOatmeal:

00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82915G/GV/910GL Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 04) <-- is there something about this card that won't allow for watching tv?

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: I was afraid they may have had the argument about switching to using XBMC as the frontend, and I was gone so I couldn't support the idea. :)

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sphery:

^^^ not really, for anyone reading this

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Don't worry, when they did I spoke up and said "Hey guys, sphery was JUST telling me what a great idea this is, on account of the frontend sucking so bad"

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sphery:

great...

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kormoc:

totally man, totally

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GreyFoxx:

sphery: We battled over adding a bittorrent client, but Isaac wanted to work on SASC integration first and then migrate to xbmc/boxee

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: I should have guessed that would come up first....

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keith4:

i enjoy the irony of the fact that the XBMC website has downloads for OSX, windows, linux, etc... but not xbox

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iamlindoro_:

I voted for including the BT client with MythNZB

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** kormoc waits for the slashdot story that mythtv adds native bit torrent/SASC support in 0.22 **

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GreyFoxx:

hahahahahah

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sphery:

After all, why use a program whose first XBox implementation was created from a stolen SDK if you don't have the tools to support theft in the program?

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GreyFoxx:

And bring out the libbluray we've been hiding

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justinh:

XBMC hasn't much to do with xbox anymore

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iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx: The libbluray that decrypts Blu-ray and instantly shares them with the community?

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iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx: Love that one, good work on it, by the way

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GreyFoxx:

yup, of course

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kormoc:

Aye, it's bittorrent 2.0!

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justinh:

it's just 'ecks bee emm see media center' now

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iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx: What's your address again?

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GreyFoxx:

yeah, it was a bitch but at least it works now

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kormoc:

multicasts out the ripped movies so anyone else that wants to watch them or store them can

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iamlindoro_:

Xbox Media Center Media Center... Mmmm, straight out of the department of redundancy department

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sphery:

justinh: do they still have the XBox version, or did that die with the hardware?

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GreyFoxx:

gfdizzle@the.hizzle.gimme MOARwa4r3z.org

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: It's still around

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sphery:

I'm surprised there are any XBox original consoles still operational.

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GreyFoxx:

kormoc: That's for version 2.1 :)

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unimaginative:

sphery: I've got one running xebian – with a mythtv frontend :)

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unimaginative:

The kid's gotta have his saturday morning cartoons every day.

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iamlindoro_:

I like the notion that if you don't get everything for free, it's someone contrary to "community"

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iamlindoro_:

er somehow

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sphery:

kormoc: I thought that 60 weeks was a strange choice for expiry, even though it's probably not an issue to have it too long versus too short. Hope you don't mind my question. (Thought I might learn something.)

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iamlindoro_:

kormoc: By the way, have you made those changes to mythweb I ordered, or do you just hate freedom?

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sphery:

kormoc: but thanks for responding, too.

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unimaginative:

iamlindoro_: and puppies.

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iamlindoro_:

Oh Slashdot.... "When my wife got an iTouch several months back, the first thing I wanted to do was build some applications for it."

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justinh:

sphery: we still use our xbox at home. the wii has lost any appeal it once had. glad I didn't pay for any part of it!

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sphery:

Just a note to anyone interested... When you disable your screensaver and turn off the screen with DPMS, don't leave the mouse cursor pointing to a browser window on the Google search page just in case you come back and (out of habit) type in your password and Enter to unlock the screen before the LCD turns on.

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iamlindoro_:

Like that "Christmas Present" TV I got my girlfriend

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sphery:

justinh: I love the Wii, but /only/ as a console for playing with visiting friends.

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iamlindoro_:

I like the Wii, but it doesn't have *near* the sensitivity they simulate when advertising it

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iamlindoro_:

I spend lots of time angry at it

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iamlindoro_:

And Sd looks like poop at 106 inches

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: did you try calibrating your sensor bar or creating your own that's better for your 106" screen?

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mikal:

Heh. The schedule has a list of social events, but doesn't say what _day_ each is on...

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: I built my own, but even using their formula for determining LCD spacing per unit of distance, it's still just so so

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justinh:

ahh nuts to this. did I say making animated icons was fun?

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iamlindoro_:

er LED spacing

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: but imagine how 'cool' it'd be to be able to use a wiimote to control every aspect of mythtv!

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iamlindoro_:

Ew

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justinh:

so long as your buttons are all 200 pixels square, aye

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iamlindoro_:

I don't get the gyro remote kids at all

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iamlindoro_:

I don't *want* to twist my wrist to scroll right! I just want to press effing RIGHT!

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: guess it depends on whether you thought Tom Cruise looked cool in Minority Report, or a bit of a c*ck ;)

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: Just curious. A friend with a 100" 4:3 display decided it wasn't worthwhile, but was looking for other opinions. His works pretty well, but as you said, not super precise.

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justinh:

the BBC's Click show have been at CES.. there's a 'new' remote concept where you wave your arms at the TV. ugh

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: The display and projector are fantastic, it's the Wii that falls down-- PS3 and Xbox on the same display are amazing

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justinh:

can we have the next phase of gaming now please? stunning visuals and game play you want to go back to time & time & time again?

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iamlindoro_:

I am not a big shooter lover, but I'd be a liar if I said playing an FPS on a 106" screen from 10 feet away wasn't a bit awesome :)

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: There are a *couple* out this year that fit the bill, but only a couple

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justinh:

not linear FPS which are either too damn hard or too easy & nowhere inbetween :)

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justinh:

though killing stuff has its merits

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: I'm actually considering getting a projector for my next TV, now, because of you.

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: Fallout 3 has been really really fun-- can indulge the "asplode some heads" desires, and still be non-linear and role-playingish

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justinh:

oh gawd. the 'tivo runs on linux, therefore mythtv must be able to run on a tivo' thread is still going

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: I really love it, the *only* downside for me is that I need to get up and go downstairs to use it, which sometimes relegates it to "event TV"

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sphery:

I think the biggest downside would be the requirement for watching in a dark room.

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: ie I watch all the premieres I'm excited about there, but if it's just this week's scrubs or whatever I'll usually play it while I'm on IRC or whatever upstairs

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sphery:

I don't have any dark rooms, except at night time.

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wagnerrp_:

iamlindoro_: you lose any data off those seagate failures?

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justinh:

oh to have a basement

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iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp_: Yeah-- since recorvered, but yeah

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iamlindoro_:

recovered

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: It's not as requisite as you might think if you have a good projector

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wagnerrp:

ok... apparently seagate is now offering free data recovery services for the affected drives

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justinh:

oh to be able to buy the amount of square footage you guys can in the USA with the same cash

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iamlindoro_:

http://robertmcnamara.smugmug.com/gallery/406 . . . 552714_2vAri

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iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp: Ah... heh, yeah, I have since recovered it and only have one or two seagate drives left in there

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: See link above, that's at about 2 in the afternoon

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: does daylight operation require a super-high bulb setting (with super loud fan and/or halving bulb life)?

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AlmightyOatmeal:

is it bad when "ivtv0: Autodetected Hauppauge WinTV PVR-250" but it's really a 150-MCE?

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Granted the room is shaded-- no, the projector is absolutely silent to my ears

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justinh:

AlmightyOatmeal: not if it works :)

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sphery:

nice

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: And that's on the normal brightness setting

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sphery:

bulb life?

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: it's *more* vibrant in the dark, bu that's perfectly watchable to me-- bulb life is 3000 hours

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AlmightyOatmeal:

justinh: i get nothing but a black screen when I go to "watch tv" (not even a mythtv channel overlay :( ) and my last half hour recorded show was only 5.1kb

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iamlindoro_:

or 5000 on low brightness mode

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: And the bulb cost is $200ish

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sphery:

and does your projector have tons of auto-optimizing "intelligence" to mess things up?

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: No, not really-- it has one aperture adjustment thing to optimize blacks when it senses a scene with a lot of black, but it's a help more than a hindrance

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AlmightyOatmeal:

wtf, my recording shows are only 1.1kb, what gives?

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iamlindoro_:

They're using MPEG-5 supercompression

[20:31:10]

iamlindoro_:

it's awesome

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justinh:

AlmightyOatmeal: sounds like mondo problemo

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justinh:

but FWIW I always test my tuner hardware outside of mythtv

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sphery:

Friend who's using a Myth box has one that auto-optimizes the display all the time when switching modes, and it adjusts the position/keystone/borders/centering/... (and ends up doing it wrong--so, in text mode, it shows you /only/ the parts of the screen that have text on it--chopping the far right and/or bottom of the display to "optimize" for you--then you type and don't get output until you hit "optimize" again...)

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AlmightyOatmeal:

justinh: so i guess the pvr-150MCE being detected as a 250 really isn't working :(

[20:31:53]

sphery:

similar issues in X

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AlmightyOatmeal:

it seemed to scan and lock on to cable channels just fine :(

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justinh:

AlmightyOatmeal: unless mythtv thinks it's a v4l capture card

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: thx for the pick, though. That room doesn't look too much darker than mine would be

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: I don't have anything like that (at least not that I have ever seen)

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justinh:

and it'd only do that if you didn't say it's an mpeg encoding type

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AlmightyOatmeal:

justinh: it shouldn't be configured as a v4l capture card?

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justinh:

and furthermore, wth are you doing scanning for analogue channels?

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: I figure if it looks as good as it does with two spotlights net to it it's doing okay :)

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wagnerrp:

it should be configured as an ivtv card

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iamlindoro_:

justinh:

AlmightyOatmeal: NO. MPEG2 hardware encoding card

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: cool, so I guess I just have to find the right projector, then

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AlmightyOatmeal:

oops!

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AlmightyOatmeal:

:P

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wagnerrp:

yeah... big difference

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** justinh goes to find his cattleprod **

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: I have the Mitsubishi HC 5000, but there are two or three new models after it-- all get rave reviews, though

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** AlmightyOatmeal runs away **

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justinh:

damn. needs charging

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sphery:

cool

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AlmightyOatmeal:

:D

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Also, I got mine imported from Japan via pricejapan.com, which halfed the price at that time

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iamlindoro_:

halved

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wagnerrp:

Mitsubishi makes good projectors? because the RP tvs ive seen looked like ass

[20:35:06]

iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp: http://www.projectorcentral.com/mitsubishi_hc5000.htm

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iamlindoro_:

See review there, 5 stars across the board

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justinh:

btw on Click they showed some CES stands where folks were comparing power consumption. jees on a bike! 500Watts for some current models!!!

[20:35:26]

justinh:

500 watts!

[20:36:01]

justinh:

still, save on your heating bill in winter I guess

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro_: for all i know, the 'techs' at best buy could have just configured them wrong

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iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp: Probably-- My folks had a mitsu RP TV that I was never impressed with-- but this projector I love

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AlmightyOatmeal:

justinh: hey, it works now!

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justinh:

fancy that!

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** AlmightyOatmeal gives justinh a hug and squeeze **

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** justinh feels dirty **

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AlmightyOatmeal:

;)

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justinh:

hey that kind of thing might be what they do all day at Canonical but here in the real world, it's ok just to say thanks :)

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laga:

justinh: hah

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AlmightyOatmeal:

not sure who or what Canonical is, but hehehe anyway

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Dubstar_04:

I forgot how long it takes to build trunk!!

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justinh:

Dubstar_04: less time the 2nd time around, with ccache :P

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Dubstar_04:

justinh: what plans do you have for themes?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro_: I can't wait until they've got a nice, bright projectors with LED light source... ;-)

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A|work: The laser projectors they're playing with seem pretty awesome

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wagnerrp:

sounds... inefficient

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro_: ooh, that's another though... Yeah, heard about the projection TVs... I wonder if they'll 'twinkle' like a laser pointer does... that I wouldn't like... DOH!

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justinh:

plans? well, the ones I've already done are going to die unless somebody takes them on. as for the one I'm currently working on, if it ever sees the light of day it's gonna be nice. oh and I don't really plan to do any more after this one, so if anything happens it'll just get updated. maybe

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wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A|work: laser pointers twinkle because theyre cheap diode lasers that can only approximately maintain a frequency/power

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro_: I told you about that rear-projection DLP tv with LED light... pretty bright, and NO RAINBOW EFFECT... I was blown away. Super-sharp too.

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A|work: SED/NED have some promise too, but I think it may be too late for them

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: btw, I read a bunch of the real estate thread... now I completely understand what you were saying.

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AlmightyOatmeal:

iamlindoro_: SED/NED?

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Heh, only just now? It was funny

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sphery:

yeah, got busy this weekend.

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wagnerrp:

AlmightyOatmeal: techs which would effectively house an e-tube display behind each pixel

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iamlindoro_:

AlmightyOatmeal: Yes, SED and NED (there should be wikipedia on both)

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AlmightyOatmeal:

nifty

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iamlindoro_:

Think high brightness with tube quality blacks

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AlmightyOatmeal:

awesome!

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iamlindoro_:

in more or less flat panels

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sphery:

someone said SED?

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sphery:

I love SED

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iamlindoro_:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface-conducti . . . tter_display

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro_: Oh yeah... OLED... Still find it curious where "S"ED and "N"ED came from...

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sphery:

so we need to fix the world economy so that Canon will actually release it

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A|work: Different from OLED

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sphery:

SED = Surface-conduction Electron-emission Display

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro_: really? </me looks at the list you posted... ;-) >

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sphery:

NED = the same tech, but basically using carbon Nanotubes (rather than the "possible to manufacture with today's tech, but really just a cheating version of NED" SED approach)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro_: One other technology that impressed me quite a bit was LCoS – which I've only seen on a RP Sony set, and it was incredibly clear, high contrast, and no rainbows... Haven't seen that take off though...

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A|work: You and your rainbows ;)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro_: hahaha... That's what I get for having eyes that can see 60hz refresh... ;-)

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iamlindoro_:

unfortunately all the major manufcturers have put new display types on hold because of the economic climate

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sphery:

if someone can just fix the economy real quick...

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sphery:

I'm currently FED up with the lack of field-emission display techs, like SED and NED.

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro_: Humm... I thought Plasma just excited phosphors too... like millions of little CRTs... confused by the difference between SED and Plasma... <me reads on>

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unimaginative:

the new 9-series Samsung LCD's are nice.

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A|work: Each pixel in SED has an emitter-- they are each, more or less, a tube until themselves that can be turned on and off (off for perfect blacks)

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iamlindoro_:

er unto themselves

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unimaginative:

individually backlit LED's

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justinh:

Dubstar_04: btw, somebody needs to pick up the baton for those people still stuck with 4:3 screens.. none of the current work in progress is for 4:3. I certainly have no plans to support 4:3. Why move backwards? ;)

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: would it be each pixel or each sub-pixel?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro_: Humm... I think OLED will take the market though... LEDs turn on in nanoseconds...

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A|work: OLED still has massive scaling problems

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: You likely know better than I

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sphery:

that I don't know...

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro_: Yeah, but just like LCD panels, they will be overcome I'm sure...

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A|work: I have my doubts that they will be overcome before a new display type takes over

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iamlindoro_:

eg laser TV

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro_: I didn't think I'd ever see a 60+" LCD panel... Yet they're commonplace now...

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sphery:

how's the OLED short lifetime issues coming along

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Dubstar_04:

justinh: I can pick up some 4:3 work in the short term but I am getting a new tv first quarter.

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iamlindoro_:

Laser TV will cost half as much at a quarter the power with many times the brightness-- I would expect things to go that way

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro_: Yeah, I can see your point. I'd love to see one myself too... ;-)

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A|work: With drastically increased color range apparently, too

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro_: Yeah, that was an advantage of that DLP with LED lighting too... by varying the LED brightness, they can give a dramatically increased range as well... and great better contrast too.

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A|work: http://blogs.pcworld.com/staffblog/archives/006226.html

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

... and no bulb to burn out... Unless they're driving those LED's too hard... then they'll blow out...

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A|work: And on sale now for $7000ish

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A|work: Not bad given first-generation tech

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: looks like each phosphor dot (subpixel) has an array of emitters behind it, so you have a multi-gun, single dot CRT for each subpixel

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Nice

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: though now I have to look into laser tv

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Beware early adoption :)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

hehe "You won't see Laser TVs on sale at your local Best Buy or Circut Citys"... <- Especially with CC going out of business... DOH!

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sphery:

yeah, no (planned) TV purchases on the horizon for me, just yet

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iamlindoro_:

God love Mitsubishi, they've never been shy about trying new tech

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sphery:

"purest light form that we can see"

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meshe:

i was in CC just before xmas after they filed Chap 11, the employees said it was a rumor that they were in trouble

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Yeah, I hate muddy light

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sphery:

meshe: yeah, I was surfing their website the day before the "going out of business sale" started and it started sending me to a "scheduled maintenance" page for all requests. When it "came back" it was the "closed" page. :)

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meshe:

all i thought was "poor employees"

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AlmightyOatmeal:

When i set a tv show to record, do I want my "Recording Profile" to be "Live TV" or "High Quality"? I would prefer high quality but i'm not sure what the Live TV would do or something

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: I hate it when they mix light with artificial ingredients and preservatives. I want my light like my Ivory soap... 99.4% pure.

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Anduin:

AlmightyOatmeal: You should change the profiles to whatever you want, the Live TV one make a good place to test.

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iamlindoro_:

AlmightyOatmeal: They're just arbitrary names, you're the one who sets the recording profiles.... and if you're recording digitally then it *really* doesn't matter since oyuhave no control over quality

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: I got some cheap Taiwanese display that runs on NutraLight

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AlmightyOatmeal:

iamlindoro_: i would be recording from analog, not sure if "High Quality" would be overboard for analog tv

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AlmightyOatmeal:

i'm not sitting infront of the box or i would adjust the profiles

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iamlindoro_:

AlmightyOatmeal: Like we were saying for analog, *you* set what those profiles are equal to, so it's entirely under your control

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meshe:

heh, canadian Circuit City is staying open

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Ah, but the Canadian CC's will stay open... Interesting...

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iamlindoro_:

AlmightyOatmeal: And since we have no way of knowing what your profiles are set to, any answer would be a guess-- their defaults are fairly conservative so nothing would be "going overboard," really

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AlmightyOatmeal:

:P

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meshe:

canadian cirucuit city's are Radio Shack

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GreyFoxx:

Nope "the Source"

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AlmightyOatmeal:

kthx

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GreyFoxx:

got renamed a couple years back

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meshe:

yup, Radio Shack

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meshe:

:)

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GreyFoxx:

"The Source by circuit city"

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: NutriLight... That's the light made from bananas and milk, right? At least it's natural (like poison oak/poison ivy, scorpion/snake venom, and other stuff that's good for you).

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Ah, the old "it's natural so it's good for me" argument

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

meshe: hehe.... I didn't see your msg until now... DOH! ;-)

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meshe:

CC bought radio shack canada and i think Best Buy owns the US radio shack brand and said, no, you can't use that name

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justinh:

Dubstar_04: btw no need to pick up 4:3 work if you don't want to.. hence why nobody else is around here ;)

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: "Merge of a more recent database into an older one." *sigh*

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: The first sentence in that made me laugh

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

meshe: Eh? I don't think BB has anything to do with Rat Shack... <but you got me googling...>

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: "It's all too complicated to explain to you peons"

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sphery:

yeah

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meshe:

eh, yeah, it wasn't BB, it was the Radio Shack Corp

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meshe:

after Circuit City aquired InterTan which owned Radio Shack Canada

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: I'm just wondering how the CC closure is going to affect the show Chuck... Granted, Nerd Herd and Buy More are more-closely BB-related, but they've been filming in a CC, IIRC. (Or was that just the pilot?)

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Yeah, it's filed in a CC

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iamlindoro_:

filmed

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

RS used to be one of my favorite stores, but they don't sell bleep for parts anymore... I have to order most stuff online now and wait for it to arrive in the mail... Oh well...

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: I dunno, they definitely make it look Best Buyish

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: hmmm... maybe they'll get a cut-rate price on the building.

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: I would imagine they could move if necessary

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meshe:

yeah, they used to be great pre "The Source"

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afm:

anyone have working firewire channel changing on qip-7100?

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sphery:

I just hope we don't have to send NBC letters asking them to save CC after NBC cancels Chuck for lack of a studio...

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: But... but... then there'd be room for Law and Order: Financial Crimes! Or CSI: Topeka!

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** J-e-f-f-A|work doesn't even know what a qip-7100 is... ;-) His DishPlayer 7100 doesn't have firewire... ;-) **

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wagnerrp:

i dont know why, but every so often, JFS gets goobered up on one of my systems

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wagnerrp:

trashing the /var/lib/init.d directory, and preventing boot

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

sphery: I'm sure NBC could just buy the store 'as is' and make it a full-time studio... ;-)

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sphery:

J-e-f-f-A|work: works for me... Just don't cancel my Chuck.

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wagnerrp:

have the buy more burn down, and everyone shifts to a new store!

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wagnerrp:

it will just be like killing off a character

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sphery:

wagnerrp: the season finale, perhaps?

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iamlindoro_:

I'd give up Chuck to get Pushing Daisies back

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meshe:

they killed Pushing Daisies?

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iamlindoro_:

several months ago, yeah

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wagnerrp:

its dead, and there are three un-aired episodes

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meshe:

how many seasons?

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wagnerrp:

ending in a cliffhanger

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jackson__:

too bad Dead Like Me is still dead :)

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iamlindoro_:

Two half-seasons

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meshe:

guess i'll be able to buy the whole series on dvd soon then

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iamlindoro_:

jackson__: Although there's a straight to DVD movie next month

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jackson__:

is there?

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iamlindoro_:

jackson__: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Like_Me_(film)

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meshe:

there's going to be a Dead Like Me movie? sweet!

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: that would be a tough call... I've already come to terms with the death of Daisies. If Ned touches Daisies and Chuck (no, not Ned's Chuck ;) dies as a result, it would be just as bad as when Ned killed Chuck's dad.

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sphery:

i.e. an innocent bystander dying to keep a loved one around beyond her time

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** AlmightyOatmeal sings the Chuck Norris theme song **

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iamlindoro_:

I love Chuck... but I *really* love PD

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sphery:

besides, didn't Mom just die again the next day or soemthing?

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wagnerrp:

theres a chuck norris theme song?

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AlmightyOatmeal:

have you ever seen a chuck norris episode?

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meshe:

dammit: An exclusive television debut occurred on January 1, 2009 on SuperChannel in Canada

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Anduin:

sphery: think it was that night, putting him to bed

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wagnerrp:

theres a chuck norris show?

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sphery:

oh, yeah, when she kissed him goodnight.

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iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp: Assume he means the "young chuck norris" SNL skit

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wagnerrp:

other than those gym equipment ads he does....

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wagnerrp:

was that on this saturday or something?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

or "Walker, Texas Ranger"???

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iamlindoro_:

It's from a few years back

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AlmightyOatmeal:

yes, Walker, Texas Ranger... whatever :P

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iamlindoro_:

http://www.hulu.com/watch/1478/snl-digital-sh . . . chuck-norris

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AlmightyOatmeal:

figure the theme for that show is as good as a theme for chuck norris in general

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wagnerrp:

AlmightyOatmeal: we all know Walker should only be played against the theme song to Beverly Hills Cop

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thebishop:

what are some distros designed for HTPC? I've tried MythDora and Mythbuntu. Neither worked on my hardware

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AlmightyOatmeal:

lol wagnerrp

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iamlindoro_:

If mythdora/buntu don't work on your hardware, then you may be out of luck as they should encompass just about anything commonly used

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wagnerrp:

what is your hardware?

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** AlmightyOatmeal is using Mythdora on his media pc **

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thebishop:

iamlindoro, it's not that my hardware is not supported, it's that the installer failed in both cases

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wagnerrp:

what is your hardware?

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AlmightyOatmeal:

thebishop: well thats vague

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thebishop:

MythDora failed trying to finish up Grub, and Mythbuntu started throwing up console errors

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AlmightyOatmeal:

thebishop: could be your root hard drive is bad..

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AlmightyOatmeal:

bad sectors or something

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thebishop:

AlmightyOatmeal, nah, works great with default Ubuntu

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AlmightyOatmeal:

and said console errors would behelpful

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: got an eggtimer type gadget animated now. looks ok I think : http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/animated/ (job%1.png)

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thebishop:

AlmightyOatmeal, i didn't capture them. I'm moving to vanilla Ubuntu install and installing Myth from there

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: Looks great! For the "busy" dialog?

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justinh:

for er.. whatever :)

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justinh:

I'll upload the svg in a sec

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justinh:

there ya go.. in the same dir

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iamlindoro_:

Looking good-- I wanna see them in context

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justinh:

so do I :)

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justinh:

right now I've just been seeing how they look on the menu screen.. quick, easy hack ;)

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iamlindoro_:

I'm using a fill bar for the loading dialog that I am happy with, but still need to come up with something for the busy dialog

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justinh:

if inkscape has a 'duplicate layer' feature it'd be loads easier to do this stuff

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justinh:

I really like Vista's progress bars actually.. tempted to try to emulate that

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iamlindoro_:

the pulse-y blue ones?

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justinh:

yup

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AlmightyOatmeal:

those are sexy

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justinh:

well, I like the way they pulse – actually gives an impression of stuff happening

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iamlindoro_:

I will likely use something similar to my loading bar, but steal the "KITT" animation for it

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iamlindoro_:

for the busy anim

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justinh:

heh

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meshe:

sweet, add the swishing sound too

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Scopeuk:

meshe entertaining once irritating forever

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meshe:

true

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: It tought to rein in stuff I want to do--- with designs done for the OSD and MythMusic, I'm eager for the MythUIification

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: And the dialogs etc. I have to force myself to do

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iamlindoro_:

though, I'll say it again, yay inheritance

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justinh:

yeah, they can get a bit drudgery-ish

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sphery:

iamlindoro_ / justinh : in theory, converting to 1080p won't take any more resources than 720p baseres, since we cache uncompressed already-scaled images in memory, right?

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iamlindoro_:

Sounds about right

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iamlindoro_:

no more resources on a given system, that is

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sphery:

cool, so then someone who wants to run at 640x360 could do so, even with pitifully-small amount of RAM installed. :)

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iamlindoro_:

which is to say a 720 and 1080 theme should be the same memory utilization on a given machine, but a machine running 1080 will use more than a machine at 720

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sphery:

right

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iamlindoro_:

wow... a really rude response to my blootubelite fix

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iamlindoro_:

haha

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iamlindoro_:

what a little bitch

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iamlindoro_:

(pardon)

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directhex:

?

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sphery:

which one?

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iamlindoro_:

hang on

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iamlindoro_:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6145

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iamlindoro_:

He quoted the problem line, I fixed the problem line and he gives me hell for it!

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justinh:

"I think the maintainer should either checkin his good working copy, or generate a good/working copy and check it in"

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: I beg you to comment on this ticket :)

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laga:

god

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justinh:

nah

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iamlindoro_:

Something along the lines of "These themes are deprecated, no fixes are forthcoming, go screw yourself"

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laga:

so much random crap on -users

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sphery:

that one's on -commits (through Trac)

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sphery:

bug database/place for outraged user (always named "anonymous") to vent

[21:57:52]

laga:

yeah, i was skipping over gossamer

[21:57:58]

sphery:

If we could convince Mr Anonymous to just use Windows MCE or Sage or whatever, things would be so much easier...

[21:58:06]

justinh:

iamlindoro_: I've been on record enough times already I think

[21:58:07]

sphery:

Oh, then you're right, also. :)

[21:58:10]

bayes:

question for you guys – can you set up MythTV on a Debian or Ubuntu box to change the channel of a UPC set box?

[21:58:15]

meshe:

of course, the internet is anonymous, it's just text on the other side, not a person that they are bitching it ;)

[21:58:28]

laga:

meshe: just some damn AI

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: Thus my argument for remove them from the repository-- If they're that hard to get a copy then can switch back revisions

[21:58:36]

justinh:

bayes: it's possible to do that if you have some means of controlling said set top box

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meshe:

laga: aye, no feelings :)

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sphery:

I would respond to the question about changing the channel, but my bayesian filter blocked it...

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justinh:

bayes: e.g. an IR blaster or whatever

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sphery:

bayes: what exactly is a "UPC" set top box?

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bayes:

cheers, this going to require lots of messing about with config files or should it work pretty easily? with IR blaster or what ever?

[21:59:53]

justinh:

iamlindoro_: I argued to remove them some time ago, because I knew all this was coming. the answer was no. I'm not prepared to argue either way on their behalf

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sphery:

bayes: there are remote configs available for DISH and many cable company STB's, but need to know which one you have

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octavsly:

UPC is a crappy encrypted DVB-C box from a cable company

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iamlindoro_:

"(I guess you would know that if you had bothered to try you fix before posting it)"

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iamlindoro_:

hahahahahaha

[22:00:20]

iamlindoro_:

what a dick

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phunyguy:

watch your language.

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bayes:

UPC is a cable co, don't know the make / model of the box off the top of my head

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: Ah, then neglect unto obsolescence it is!

[22:01:02]

justinh:

hmmm. I just took a moment & thought to myself "hmmm, wonder how come I'm so chilled out about this subject"

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iamlindoro_:

phunyguy: Feel free to try to get me kicked

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: why should he have to report /all/ the bugs in the file? It's your responsibility to help him /and/ test out everything that's causing him problems (even when he hasn't told you what that is).

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phunyguy:

i got yelled at for "damn"

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phunyguy:

:-/

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iamlindoro_:

OK. So ask someone to kick me then

[22:01:23]

phunyguy:

so thats kinda wrong.

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meshe:

is there going to be any 4:3 themes in 0.22, or am i going to have to write one for the 4 tv's i'm going to be supporting

[22:01:33]

justinh:

life's kinda wrong. totally unfair

[22:01:37]

iamlindoro_:

I'm not immune, it's okay, you can ask

[22:01:41]

sphery:

bayes: Do you have an option for using an STB with firewire support? Firewire channel changes may be easier than infrared

[22:01:48]

justinh:

I mean Tony Hart died at the weekend yet Peter Andre is still alive. no frickin justice

[22:01:48]

phunyguy:

im not asking anything

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phunyguy:

i was just pointing out that it was wrong.

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bayes:

I don't think so, will check

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justinh:

miss! miss! so and so said such and such!

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Teaches me to write any fixes from work, I'm make sure to postpone then until I get home from now on when I *really* don'

[22:02:36]

iamlindoro_:

t care about the user

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justinh:

anyway, it's time for bed

[22:03:06]

iamlindoro_:

ugh, I'll make sure, postpone them

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hadees:

bayes, you can request them although it is a pain because most people who work for the cable companies don't know of the FCC reg

[22:03:14]

justinh:

will get much more done tomorrow while I'm at work

[22:03:32]

phunyguy:

i finally got 5.1 output and now the sub output is really low.

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bayes:

don't think so tbh, is IR not an option?

[22:05:02]

meshe:

IR is an option, there's details and scripts in the wiki

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sphery:

bayes: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User:Michel#TV_reception http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Howto:Gentoo

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sphery:

bayes: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Netherlands#UPC

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bayes:

many thanks guys

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sphery:

bayes: if your STB accepts IR commands from a remote control, Myth can be made to control it. Probably easiest to find someone who's done it before/written up a guide, but you can always adapt /any/ MythTV + LIRC + STB guide to work. Good luck.

[22:07:34]

bayes:

thanks!

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octavsly:

bayes: What encryption is UPC using. Any standard one?

[22:09:38]

sphery:

woo hoo!!! The commflagger on my master backend just finished flagging the last of Thursday night's shows. (Had 2 recordings--one from each card in the MBE--where the commflagger got stuck forever due to bad signal/reception at a point.)

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bayes:

no idea

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octavsly:

I have Digitenne and it kinds of works 75% of the time

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octavsly:

Digitenne uses Connax

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octavsly:

25% the CAM is not recognized...anyway I stop here

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octavsly:

forgot to ask UPC in what country?

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bayes:

Ireland

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afm:

how do i determine my stb vendor_id and model_id? trying to edit the 6200ch for use with 7100

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iamlindoro_:

6200ch -v -v 123

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kormoc:

so Circuit city's discounts are 10–30% off, mostly 10. not really worth it

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AlmightyOatmeal:

if transcoding is checked for a recording, does that happen immediatly after the recording is finished, or does it wait until all sequential recordings are done or does it cron itself sometime over the night?

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iamlindoro_:

kormoc: Got myself a few hundred dollars in Best Buy Gift Cards at Christmas time--- just enough that I'm thinking of a new TV but also enough that I'd be on the hook for at least half of it-- AFAICT the Circuit City 10–30% off is from MSRP and doesn't make it that appealing over BB sales prices

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kormoc:

iamlindoro_, it was 10–30% off of current retail price

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iamlindoro_:

kormoc: Ah, I took a look at their stuff here and it looked like they had marked it up to MSRP before the markdown

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iamlindoro_:

but maybe I was mistaken

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iamlindoro_:

or just didn't look at enough

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kormoc:

iamlindoro_, the store I went to was still quite high, even after the discounts, other stores were cheaper normally

[22:46:09]

kormoc:

but perhaps this store just really sucked

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iamlindoro_:

It's a paradox, there's a sweet spot where prices have come down but there are still things worth buying... just don't think they're there yet

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afm:

my c skills blow...i have the channels changing properly finally....but i can't seem to hack the extra 0 for numbers under 1000

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afm:

need a 0 in front of <= 999

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AlmightyOatmeal:

is there mythtv transcoding error log laying around someplace?

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phunyguy:

hey ROBERT

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phunyguy:

i am proving you wrong

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phunyguy:

i have audio over DVI.

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phunyguy:

YES DVI.

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** kormoc blinks **

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AlmightyOatmeal:

wtf?

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phunyguy:

i know it seems odd...

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kormoc:

phunyguy, erm... first... you may have cut up a dvi cable and sending audio over the analog or some crap like that, but it's not really an option for most folks, so who cares?

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phunyguy:

i have a standard DVI to HDMI cable

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kormoc:

so?

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directhex:

and which graphics card is this, precisely?

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kormoc:

starting with a standard cable doesn't mean the end result is standard

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phunyguy:

nvidia

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phunyguy:

8200

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phunyguy:

well the audio is coming out of the DVI port so the cable is irrelevant

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phunyguy:

no havk

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phunyguy:

hack

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kormoc:

phunyguy, I'm calling bull

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phunyguy:

ok.

[23:07:59]

phunyguy:

want me to take pics?

[23:08:03]

phunyguy:

and video?

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meshe:

lol

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kormoc:

phunyguy, not really, given the video card isn't a sound card, that sorta kills it right there

[23:08:29]

phunyguy:

its onboard.

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phunyguy:

motherboard

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kormoc:

the dvi port doesn't have pins for audio

[23:08:44]

phunyguy:

with DVI and HDMI out

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phunyguy:

*sigh*

[23:08:58]

phunyguy:

then i have ghosts in my PC.

[23:09:03]

phunyguy:

i just went and doublechecked

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kormoc:

or just hearing things

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kormoc:

phunyguy, http://www.interfacebus.com/Design_Connector_ . . . DVI_Bus.html

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kormoc:

point out the audio pints

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kormoc:

*pins

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kormoc:

if such a thing actually is happening, it most certainly is the motherboard OEM doing very non-standard stuff

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phunyguy:

that may be the case

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phunyguy:

but it is HDCP compl;iant

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kormoc:

HDCP is just copy protection, has nothing to do with audio

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phunyguy:

OK here is a quote from my reciever manual

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kormoc:

and only digital video copy protection at that

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phunyguy:

"Connect using HDMI"

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phunyguy:

If you have an HDMI or DVI (with HDCP) equipped component, you can connect it to this reciever using a commercially available HDMI cable.

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AndyCap:

I'd imagine hdcp covers audio as well,

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kormoc:

doesn't mean you'll get audio over it

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phunyguy:

now i don't know how to explain it, but the DVI to HDMI cable tgets audio to the speakers.

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AndyCap:

Seeing as how they've been playing sample rate games for years

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phunyguy:

*sigh*

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phunyguy:

i will take pics if i must,.

[23:20:56]

phunyguy:

or video of teh setup with speakertest ruinning

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phunyguy:

running*

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kormoc:

phunyguy, the thing is, you have no pins on the dvi cable to send audio out on, it's just not part of the spec

[23:21:43]

kormoc:

AndyCap, so it does, (hdcp can be applied to audio)

[23:21:48]

AndyCap:

but yeah, a few people have been producing ugly dvi+audio hacks. cheapo lcd manufacturers, dvb receivers that can't get a hdmi license

[23:21:56]

AndyCap:

etc.

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phunyguy:

like i said

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phunyguy:

i didnt hack anything

[23:22:08]

phunyguy:

Asus may have

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AndyCap:

phunyguy: not you, whoever made your hardware.

[23:22:18]

phunyguy:

well it works.

[23:22:23]

phunyguy:

yeah it may only be two channel

[23:22:47]

phunyguy:

but i have a cheap reciever

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kormoc:

what asus motherboard?

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Dibblah:

Uhhh... It's just data.

[23:23:18]

phunyguy:

for somereason i cant select digital audio on that hdmi port

[23:23:25]

Dibblah:

DVI / HDMI is just a signalling issue.

[23:23:29]

phunyguy:

Asus M3N78

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phunyguy:

-VM

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Dibblah:

The audio is muxed in at the vblank of each frame.

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phunyguy:

with this reciever it only passes the HDMI through to the TV

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kormoc:

Dibblah, it's mainly just the fact that the only extra pins on the dvi port after digital video is used is the analog pins, and typically gpu's just mirror that, there's not seperate hardware to render different content to both

[23:24:18]

phunyguy:

still have to connect through digital or analog out

[23:24:27]

kormoc:

Dibblah, that's not really specced with dvi...

[23:24:48]

Dibblah:

Eh? Again, DVI is just a connector.

[23:25:03]

Dibblah:

You can convert it freely to HDMI.

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phunyguy:

i rest my case.

[23:25:18]

phunyguy:

thank you Dibblah

[23:25:22]

phunyguy:

I don't lie.

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kormoc:

Dibblah, can you show me how to get audio out of my Geforce 8200 card?

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phunyguy:

its not a card.

[23:25:31]

phunyguy:

its onboard.

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kormoc:

it's still a card

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phunyguy:

which is probably why it works

[23:25:46]

phunyguy:

plus some video cards have SPDIF in for that reason

[23:25:59]

phunyguy:

they also have HDMI out, but like he said, its just data

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Dibblah:

... Of course, you need hardware to mux the audio into the stream.

[23:26:18]

Dibblah:

You can't do it with a dumb video card, AFAIK.

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kormoc:

Dibblah, if it's so simple, why doesn't all hdmi cards support audio over DVI?

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AlmightyOatmeal:

Dibblah: ATI?

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AlmightyOatmeal:

lol :D

[23:26:38]

Dibblah:

Intel graphics works for it, so do some NV, I believe.

[23:26:39]

phunyguy:

ok you may be an op, but i still have audio over DVI.

[23:26:48]

phunyguy:

:-/

[23:26:57]

phunyguy:

and Robert needs to stand down.

[23:27:00]

phunyguy:

:P

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Dibblah:

Because the card has a codec for it.

[23:27:12]

phunyguy:

Azalia?

[23:27:18]

phunyguy:

or whatever it was called.

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phunyguy:

i have to use the bathroom – brb

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kormoc:

phunyguy, what's your obsession with Robert? He's not saying a thing and yet you're badmouthing him nonstop

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directhex:

it's national hate on iamlindoro day

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iamlindoro:

Important not to confuse DVI *signaling* and DVI connections-- DVI has a connector component and a signaling component. Even if you can use the DVI connector to pass audio to HDMI, it's not DVI any more

[23:29:18]

directhex:

there are six models of M3N78

[23:29:22]

iamlindoro:

directhex, And on this, the national holiday of tolerance no less :)

[23:29:29]

phunyguy:

he was the original person to prove me wrong

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phunyguy:

:P

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Dibblah:

AFAIK, it is DVI. It just has more data in the vblank period than 'vanilla' DVI.

[23:29:39]

phunyguy:

called me out on -users

[23:29:57]

iamlindoro:

Dibblah, HDMI isn't DVI, it has a DVI compatibility mode

[23:30:09]

kormoc:

Dibblah, I'd argue that it's not part of the DVI spec then it breaks it

[23:30:09]

Dibblah:

http://xkcd.com/386/

[23:30:34]

Dibblah:

HDMI without HDCP essentially is DVI.

[23:30:34]

phunyguy:

hahahaha nice

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kormoc:

Dibblah, but not, there's no analog signal

[23:31:01]

phunyguy:

maybe thats why my reciever wont output the audio

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iamlindoro:

Dibblah, DVI uses HDCP

[23:31:05]

phunyguy:

its not HDCP

[23:31:10]

phunyguy:

ok maybe not.

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directhex:

there are no pins on any grade of DVI connector which are specified for use for audio

[23:31:46]

phunyguy:

argue amonsgst yourselves, I have to use the bathroom.

[23:31:57]

phunyguy:

and listen to music over my DVI cable.

[23:32:00]

phunyguy:

bbiab

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phunyguy:

<3

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iamlindoro:

This is a classic case of "credibility through agreeing with you"

[23:33:13]

Dibblah:

Meh. We're all essentially agreeing – This 'phunyguy' character is just trolling.

[23:33:45]

iamlindoro:

And here I was themeifying until I got blooped :)

[23:34:02]

directhex:

M3N78-CM is the only board in the series with DVI but no HDMI

[23:35:01]

Dibblah:

I am still continually amazed that I can run a cable with a 4Gbit/s data link for 10+ meters.

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Dibblah:

With no observable bit errors.

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directhex:

it's a DVI-D port, no analog pins

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kormoc:

according to the motherboard manual for the board he specified, "High-Definiton Multimedia Interface (HDMI) is the first and only industry-supported, uncompressed, all digital audio and video interface via a single cable"

[23:36:36]

kormoc:

they claim dvi doesn't do audio...

[23:36:37]

iamlindoro:

Finally got around to plugging in a second monitor again... How do I ever manage to convince myself it's okay to have only one monitor?

[23:37:19]

jams:

iamlindoro- you know it wasn't coding that convinced me to get two 24" monitors, it was themeing that did it.

[23:37:20]

clever:

i sometimes use 3 at once

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clever:

with a 4th for tv

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directhex:

kormoc, they certainly don't claim to do audio via dvi anywhere in the manual

[23:37:49]

iamlindoro:

jams, Heh, The endless cycling between frontend and channel must *end*

[23:37:54]

directhex:

kormoc, like i said, the only M3N78 with DVI but not HDMI is the -CM

[23:38:13]

iamlindoro:

jams, Now I just sort of wish they were of comparable size

[23:38:38]

jams:

http://jmeyer.us/screens/dscn2715.jpg <= as you can see they look very nice

[23:39:04]

clever:

nice:)

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clever:

is that a stereo amp in the desk?

[23:39:24]

iamlindoro:

jams, Yeah, looking nice-- a co-worker just had two 30 inchers delivered to work that he paid for himself-- He claims he will have increased productivity, I claim he's a weirdo

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kormoc:

directhex, he specified the -vm

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jams:

clever- there is no stereo amp in the desk, it's off in the corner of the room

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, I have one 30"

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jams:

if your referring to the knob it's a powermate

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clever:

ahh

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clever:

i just saw a knob and alot of tiny switches

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clever:

and a pair of headphones handing from it

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jams:

the switches are power

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clever:

and the knob?

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directhex:

kormoc, but the -vm has hdmi

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, I have a 32" TV that I use as the upstairs monitor-- there's more to this guy-- he is... erm, to put it nicely, manic-depressive, and spent, as near as anyone can tell, $10k in the last week in a manic swing

[23:40:48]

phunyguy:

if you guys need to know anything i will gladly tell you.

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jams:

knob is used to switch songs

[23:41:14]

iamlindoro:

jams, Used to have one of those a few years ago, loved the solid feel of it

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phunyguy:

it is M3N78-VM

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jams:

yeah i really like it, it's limited in what it can do but still a good purchase in the right setup

[23:41:45]

phunyguy:

has HDMI / DVI out

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phunyguy:

as well as optical out

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jams:

actually it went unused for a couple years until i built this desk

[23:42:02]

jams:

just had no place for it

[23:42:27]

iamlindoro:

jams, Do you do woodwork?

[23:42:32]

jams:

yes

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iamlindoro:

(getting a little OT)

[23:42:38]

iamlindoro:

it's a nice looking desk

[23:42:41]

jams:

hobby

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jams:

V2 will be better cause i can take my time and not try to finish in a day.

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jams:

pressed for time and needed something, despite some of the shortcuts i'm happy enough with the results.

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iamlindoro:

Anduin, I am going to follow your advice on that screen and detach the list from the item detail-- buys me ~50 more pixels for group titles too

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phunyguy:

doh

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phunyguy:

kernel panic

[23:46:29]

phunyguy:

btu that wasnt the media mox

[23:46:31]

phunyguy:

but*

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phunyguy:

box*

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AlmightyOatmeal:

uh oh..

[23:46:43]

phunyguy:

I'll stop typing now.

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phunyguy:

:)

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AlmightyOatmeal:

must be all that audio going through your dvi... ;)

[23:46:52]

phunyguy:

it was when i clicked that picture that was posted.

[23:47:03]

phunyguy:

i just said it wasnt the media PC

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phunyguy:

;)

[23:47:30]

AlmightyOatmeal:

and i'm a 14 year old girl

[23:47:35]

phunyguy:

sweeeeet.

[23:47:40]

AlmightyOatmeal:

heh

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phunyguy:

your parents must be proud.

[23:48:08]

AlmightyOatmeal:

point being, people say alot on irc.. who knows whats factual or not

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phunyguy:

i said i would take video of it.

[23:48:32]

phunyguy:

but do i really care what you gusy believe?

[23:48:35]

phunyguy:

guys*

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AlmightyOatmeal:

i'll believe it when i see it and verify the audio/video hasn't been tampered with ;)

[23:48:57]

AlmightyOatmeal:

phunyguy: if you didn't care what people on irc thought, you wouldn't have told us...

[23:49:03]

directhex:

i'll believe it when it's true

[23:49:07]

phunyguy:

hahaha i told you guys but thats the thing

[23:49:10]

directhex:

until then, i don't care

[23:49:17]

phunyguy:

you d=idnt believe me because i said it

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** AlmightyOatmeal sneezes all over the laptop screen **

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** AlmightyOatmeal grabs a squeegee **

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directhex:

and on a channel with mchou on it, reality is often in short supply

[23:49:41]

AlmightyOatmeal:

directhex: mchou?

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phunyguy:

anyway

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iamlindoro:

Oh look, a yellow submarine in the sky!

[23:49:53]

phunyguy:

i came on here to brag about it really and throw it in Roberts face.

[23:49:53]

justinh:

heh. found a typo. overridding broken theme

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** AlmightyOatmeal runs after the submarine **

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phunyguy:

because he called me out on the -users list

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phunyguy:

but in hindsight – it was mean.

[23:50:29]

phunyguy:

so i am sorry, Robert.

[23:50:32]

Dibblah:

phunyguy: How... Adult of you.

[23:50:41]

thefRont is now known as thefront

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** iamlindoro sighs **

[23:50:59]

phunyguy:

hey I apologized.

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directhex:

iamlindoro, it's like this all the time for me :)

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iamlindoro:

directhex, Was just chatting with someone about revoking license to use anything you've written for people acting like tools :)

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justinh:

calling people by their first name in IRC.. to what... demean them in some way?

[23:51:58]

directhex:

iamlindoro, not dfsg-free :(

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phunyguy:

well he has two names on here

[23:52:14]

phunyguy:

iamlindoro and RobertLaptop or whatever

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iamlindoro:

justinh, I suppose it might work if I had ever made the slightest attempt at hiding who I am, *shrug*

[23:52:24]

phunyguy:

so Robert stuck with me because that is my first name as well.

[23:52:26]

directhex:

iamlindoro, the buttmunch license has many benefits, but is unsuitable for debbuntu :(

[23:52:26]

kormoc:

There's more then one robert in here

[23:52:37]

iamlindoro:

I'm also not the laptop guy

[23:52:47]

phunyguy:

RobertMLaptop?

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iamlindoro:

not I

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phunyguy:

ahh – my mistake then

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justinh:

dah dah dah... and another one makes my list...

[23:53:08]

RobertLaptop:

RobertLaptop is me

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iamlindoro:

but I'm sure he's enjoying being pinged for no reason

[23:53:11]

phunyguy:

i assumed that one

[23:53:19]

RobertLaptop:

and I only have 1 ID.

[23:53:27]

phunyguy:

yeah yeah my bad

[23:53:46]

phunyguy:

that was a drunken misconception the other night

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kormoc:

now granted, I have a fair number of usernames... kormoc, kormoc_, kormoc__, kormoc___, etc...

[23:54:07]

** iamlindoro proudly notes he only has one nick today ;) **

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justinh:

iamlindoro: so blootubelite-wide has revealed a typo. I should fix it immediately. the typo, I mean

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iamlindoro:

justinh, The author must "generate" a new version and commit a fix. THE AUTHOR MUST.

[23:54:33]

justinh:

"closes #6145"

[23:54:49]

justinh:

fixes typo brought to light by unsupported theme

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iamlindoro:

justinh, I am curious to learn how I can "generate" this XML, sound much easier than what I've been up to

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phunyguy:

ok anyway, guys, It was nice sparking an argument between you all, but i have to go for a bit.

[23:55:20]

Dibblah:

justinh: Does this fix involve an rm? ;)

[23:55:28]

justinh:

iamlindoro: duh! you mean you've not got my patented theme churner-outer script?

[23:55:53]

justinh:

"what color would you like? blue/black"

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kormoc:

You can have any color you like... as long as it's black

[23:56:17]

justinh:

"where mepo-wide is a 10, what score out of 10 do you want this theme to get from users?"

[23:56:22]

justinh:

press return and voila!

[23:56:23]

iamlindoro:

justinh, heheh, $color$noun{-wide}

[23:56:51]

directhex:

justinh, mepo seems to be dead. no new releases for a year

[23:57:14]

justinh:

nah I'm not anywhere near nasty or immature enough to close that ticket that way, not even for those anon comments

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kormoc:

MaroonFog-wide GreenUknownLiquidOnMyFloor-wide

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justinh:

directhex: so it still works with 0.21 though right? ;)

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, MaroonFog could *totally* work, heh ;)

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, yeah, I actually like that one :)

[23:59:02]

kormoc:

okay, I'm totally for revoking anonymous comments on -trac

[23:59:07]

justinh:

haven't seen zd.. er mepo guy in here for yonks actually

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