Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, January 13th, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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iamlindoro_:

Blah

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Anduin:

just need to get gbee to apply a patch you make adding support to myththemedmenu.cpp

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iamlindoro_:

okay. Will spend a bit right now seeing if I can manage that myself before asking anyone else to do my work for me. I'm a dummy for not checking another screen, thanks :)

[00:02:06]

Anduin:

Yeah, it was only after seeing it work that I stopped skipping over you saying menu :)

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iamlindoro_:

gbee, care to weigh in on what I should do to add support for this widget to menu screens?

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phunyguy:

hmmm

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sphery:

phunyguy: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/363974#363974 + http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/364018#364018

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phunyguy:

maybe a mythfill database will work?

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phunyguy:

i hadn't done that yet :P

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sphery:

then what are you browsing in the guide?

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phunyguy:

i hadn't done it since upgrading the -fixes

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phunyguy:

:)

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sphery:

are you on trunk?

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sphery:

oh, wait... You mean since updating to 0.21-fixes r19222 or later.

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phunyguy:

yeah

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phunyguy:

and ive read that first link

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phunyguy:

EIT scan option?

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sphery:

phunyguy: So, anyway, if you can figure out what's causing it and can link it to the gnome-screensaver-command stuff that was fixed in r19222, please let me know (either here or on the -users list--I'm the guy who posted the first post in the 2nd half of the thread (that became a new thread on gossmaer because of the broken MUA used by the guy I replied to)

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phunyguy:

(missed the last post)

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phunyguy:

think it could be that?

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sphery:

EIT scan?

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phunyguy:

you know what...

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phunyguy:

it does only happen on one channel – i just havent changed it...

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phunyguy:

i could try to get to another channel

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phunyguy:

its in the end of the first post

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phunyguy:

http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-commit . . . /037352.html

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phunyguy:

i am on a dvb card

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sphery:

yeah, found it

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sphery:

are you in the US?

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phunyguy:

yeah

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sphery:

I highly recommend SD instead of EIT.

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phunyguy:

i would love to know where to change that

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sphery:

oh, and note that using both XMLTV/SD /and/ EIT on the same channel is not supported

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phunyguy:

:-/

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phunyguy:

awesome

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phunyguy:

but i have no clue what that stuff is ;)

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sphery:

SD = Schedules Direct = http://schedulesdirect.org/

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phunyguy:

oh i use schedules direct

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phunyguy:

not sure how or if anything else is enabled

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sphery:

so you shouldn't use EIT

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meshe:

need this for my livetv icon: http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_i . . . mg%2Fwho.jpg

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phunyguy:

again... lol

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phunyguy:

if i am, i didnt know it

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sphery:

make sure in mythtv-setup you've disabled "Perform EIT Scan" in the video source and you've set it to use Schedules Direct

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dioporco:

kormoc, sphery seems that vlc support http 206

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sphery:

and, it doesn't hurt to mark all the channels (using the MythWeb or mythtv-setup channel editor) to not "Use on-air guide"

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dioporco:

<nefrir> dioporco: vlc does, but their server might be a bit buggy

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dioporco:

their = mythweb

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dioporco:

<nefrir> dioporco: it depends if they answer 206 on a partial request with offset equal to 0

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phunyguy:

HAH

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phunyguy:

EIT scan was enabled

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sphery:

dioporco: 20090112 17:26:50<+kormoc> 206 is only supported in mythweb with the mp4 streaming module currently

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phunyguy:

:-/

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dioporco:

ah

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dioporco:

ok :/

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phunyguy:

its in video source setup

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kormoc:

dioporco, it's easy enough to port back, could do so in 30 minutes or so likely

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dioporco:

k

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kormoc:

As for answering 206 with 0 offset, we do, as that's in the spec, and we also handle caching correctly, so it might work out for ya

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phunyguy:

THAT WAS IT!!!

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phunyguy:

:D:D:D:D:D

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sphery:

dioporco: patches appreciated at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/wiki/TicketHowTo

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phunyguy:

it is SOOOOO speedy now.

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sphery:

phunyguy: great... Glad you figured it out.

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phunyguy:

hawt – thanks dude!

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dioporco:

kormoc, but only with mp4 right?

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dioporco:

mp4 = mpg4 ?

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sphery:

phunyguy: responding to that thread saying that it was using EIT that caused the problem (likely because you had it using /both/ EIT and Schedules Direct), it would likely help a lot of other people (who seem to be having the same problem)

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kormoc:

currently yes, all you would need to do is update http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . tream_raw.pl to be like http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . tream_mp4.pl

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kormoc:

from binmode DATA: and down is the key stuff I believe

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meshe:

wow, i didn't even dig that far into mythweb, there's a lot of config in there

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meshe:

no idea it had a channel editor

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dioporco:

ok thanks

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sphery:

yeah, it's great for quick fixes to a lot of channels (like setting them commercial free or whatever)

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sphery:

it would be even better if there were a way to specify the channel icons through MythWeb and send them to the backend and have the backend provide them for the frontends :)

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kormoc:

sphery, xris has been drooling over that for years :P

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iamlindoro_:

Heh, http://www.fecitfacta.com/widget.png

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sphery:

yeah... someone like me should spend a little time working on the channel icons storage group code

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sphery:

just so easy to ignore the "one-time setup" stuff

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meshe:

where do the channel icons come from? do they get sent over the network? or do they need to be on each frontend?

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kormoc:

they need to be local to each fe/mw

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sphery:

on each frontend in the exact same location

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sphery:

does MW copy them from the "normal" dir to the cache dir?

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simcop2387:

is there any way i can go to live tv on a specific channel, BEFORE it switches to its previous one?

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kormoc:

sphery, it's a symlink

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simcop2387:

even if it involves changing something in the database

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sphery:

kormoc: oh, I see

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meshe:

how big are the icons? small enough to just store in the db?

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sphery:

and I could have seen for myself by ssh'ing first and asking questions later... (thanks for letting me get away with it, though :)

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meshe:

since the fronends have db connections anyway

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sphery:

meshe: they can be whatever size the picture chosen by the user is, but they're scaled to fit the page

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sphery:

so, on the guide, for example, they're small. On the channel details page, they're bigger

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sphery:

but, we generally want files on the filesystem, not in the DB

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kormoc:

and we keep meaning to allow the BE to stream more files out anyway, so DB backing isn't overly easier in the long run

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

I may work on the channel icon storage group some in the next couple of weeks...

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kormoc:

it'd be snaztastic

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sphery:

probably just make them available through MythXML rather than mythproto

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kormoc:

works for me!

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sphery:

frontends could use MythXML to retrieve them, too

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kormoc:

and I'm so applying your patch when I get some free time (after moving I guess)

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sphery:

which, the MythXML inclusive listings patch?

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kormoc:

Aye

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dioporco:

uhm well, can I use mythweb from svn with mythtv 0.21 fixes?

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sphery:

Perhaps I should verify it still applies with recent changes, then... (Been meaning to do that on all my patches as I'm sure some of them won't apply, now.)

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sphery:

dioporco: nope, no mix and match

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dioporco:

k

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kormoc:

dioporco, no, but this is a rare case, you can use the streaming module from -trunk just fine with -fixes if you don't care about the flv streaming

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sphery:

but don't tell anyone... :)

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dioporco:

lol

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kormoc:

and I may be quite wrong and it still might not work, but those changes should be fairly safe :P

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sphery:

too many people try mixing oil and water parts of Myth and complaining that it doesn't work

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iamlindoro_:

So, hrm, Qtwebkit javascript is "okay" at best

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iamlindoro_:

Looooootta widgets don't play nice with it

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kormoc:

and no firebug!

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sphery:

thus the whole JS is evil thing

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iamlindoro_:

Trying to get a few screenshots of halfway fun widgets in pages, but minimal luck so far

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sphery:

but the noway fun widgets work?

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iamlindoro_:

Pretty much anything that's a google maps mashup works, so far... trying to find something better :)

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sphery:

If you would like to add an "End of the world" counter to your Myth screens...

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iamlindoro_:

Have a feeling the real fun with this won't come until they release 4.5

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unimaginative:

my mythbackend keeps segfaulting on Gentoo. I recompiled mythtv with the "debug" use flag (to keep debugging symbols), and ran gdb for mythbackend following the guide. I get this: http://rafb.net/p/jTSmqx58.html

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unimaginative:

My wife tells me that she was just watching TV when it quit.

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dioporco:

-.-

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** sphery thinks unimaginative compiled with --compile-type=debug and then used some packager script to create the install (and it duly stripped out all the debug symbols for him) **

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sphery:

unimaginative: the debug symbols aren't in the code you're running--they're often stripped out when you make RPM's or DEB's or whatever

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unimaginative:

sphery: I'm not sure how the ebuild treats the "debug" use flag, but the gentoo guides on debugging say to emerge mythtv with the "debug" use flag.

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kormoc:

Sadly Gentoo's debug use flag doesn't set the nostrip option...

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sphery:

unfortunately, I can't tell you how to make a package with them in it (as I'm packager-/package-manager-challenged)

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unimaginative:

kormoc: know what I need to do to keep portage from stripping the package?

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sphery:

Oh, and I'm also Gentoo-challenged

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kormoc:

FEATURES="nostrip" emerge ....

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kormoc:

that /should/ do it

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sphery:

but then you can't record pr0n with Myth, right?

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unimaginative:

kormoc: okay, I'll try that. Sad thing is these segfaults are so sporadic.

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kormoc:

sphery, nah, it just flags the stripping as commercials and skips it

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sphery:

kormoc: oh, cool... :)

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sphery:

unimaginative: is this 0.21-fixes?

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kormoc:

it's a feature! Yay!

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unimaginative:

sphery: It's 0.21, I think gentoo builds their package from the -fixes tree

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kormoc:

unimaginative, keep in mind, while tracking this down, you'll need to use that same command line style for any version bumps as well (to keep the symbols)

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sphery:

if you say, FEATURES="strip" emerge, does it make a really sexy Myth box?

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** kormoc laughs **

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kormoc:

only if electrons turn you on

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unimaginative:

kormoc: I can add it to package.keywords

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kormoc:

it's not a keyword, it's a FEATURE flag, and sadly that's system wide only at the moment (unless you override it via the command line like I showed)

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unimaginative:

kormoc: that leads to my next question. I want to verify that FEATURES="nostrip" actually does something, so I do 'FEATURES="nostrip" USE="debug" emerge -pv mythtv'

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kormoc:

that should work, aye

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unimaginative:

kormoc: but the results don't give any feedback regarding 'nostrip'

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kormoc:

it should...

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unimaginative:

http://rafb.net/p/wwhxE070.html

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kormoc:

ooh, only when you emerge it will it show info

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unimaginative:

kormoc: ok

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sphery:

unimaginative: It's that getting a good backtrace may not be a lot of help... You're getting a crash in a thread that's calling GetHostName() and that's doing a deep copy of the value... There are many known issues with unsafe multithreaded QString-handling in 0.21-fixes (and danielk has cleaned most of them up in trunk), but there's no push to fix 0.21... If the backtrace indicates a problem that's a quick fix, I'm sure ...

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sphery:

... danielk will fix it for you. If it requires major rework, he won't.

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sphery:

s/It's/It seems/

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unimaginative:

sphery: hmm. I guess we'll see? Is there anything I can do to make GetHostName() do it's job easier? (if that makes any sense)

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sphery:

unimaginative: If you can get a good backtrace, it's definitely worth posting, just in case, but I don't want you to get your hopes up.

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sphery:

It's not GetHostName() that's the problem. It's the QString it's returning (and the fact that a different thread is using it).

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unimaginative:

Okay, well I know *squat* about coding, so i'll have to hope it's an easy fix :)

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unimaginative:

hopefully 0.22 makes it to fixes soon (*Isn't holding his breath*)

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sphery:

actually, I should say, it's the use of GetHostName() from the wrong thread (but one that needs the info, nonetheless) that's causing the issue due to the QString that's not meant for that thread :)

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iamlindoro_:

.22 would have to make it to release before there can be a -fixes branch of it ;)

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meshe:

heh

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meshe:

wheres 1.0?

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kormoc:

Planned right after Universal Heat Death

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meshe:

oh, so 2012

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sphery:

unimaginative: even with the backtrace you have, danielk might be able to tell you if it's something that's might be fixable in -fixes. I'd recommend sending the backtrace to the list with a good subject (like, "QString-related SEGV in 0.21-fixes" or something) and mention that you've just learned how to make emerge not strip the debugging symbols and are trying to get a better BT, but this is the one you have and see what ...

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sphery:

... Daniel says...

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sphery:

I'm having some serious problems with apostrophe s in my comments here...

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sphery:

unimaginative: Oh, and also, thank you very much for going to the trouble of getting a backtrace and for asking if it's a good backtrace. It's always nice when someone is willing to do their part to help.

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sphery:

meshe: I thought in 2012 the calendar would just reset, so Myth would go back to version 0.0 and Isaac would be using an AT&T DVR.

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meshe:

I'm under the understanding that that's when the world is supposed to end, but i don't really believe it ;)

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sphery:

(of course, there may be a 25K and change year long wait for that to happen again)

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meshe:

sphery: sounds like a good reason to have a party anyway

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Dagmar:

sphery: No, in 2034 the calendar resets and we're all killed by flaming computers falling from the sky.

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kormoc:

well, the aztecs say the world will end in 2012, but of which calendar I ask!

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Dagmar:

The Aztecs didn't have a proper grasp of hexadecimal.

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sphery:

Yeah, that's when the calendar of several civilizations ends. It's my understanding that they end because they're cyclical (and the ones ending in 2012, particularly, are based on the cyclical nature of the 25,792-year period of precession of the equinoxes).

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directhex:

coud they divide by zero?

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iamlindoro_:

directhex, They did, that's what happened to them

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directhex:

iamlindoro, oh sh-

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Dagmar:

There's also the matter of their wise men probably figured people would have enoough sense to know how to restart a calendar then.

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Dagmar:

...or that people would have surely come up with a new one by then.

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sphery:

lol

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sphery:

Y2K+12 issue...

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Dagmar:

Do you think future archaeologists would dig people's homes up and decide that everyone felt the world would end after December 31st?

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iamlindoro_:

Zune2k9!

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sphery:

It's in all the Aztec pictographs

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iamlindoro_:

Anyway, yay, browser widget now working various places and commit, fun fun

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iamlindoro_:

not we wait for qtwebkit not to suuuuuuuuuuck

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iamlindoro_:

er now we

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Dagmar:

HAHAH

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: don't bring that up as that leap second killed 4 boxes of mine, too

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sphery:

never had a problem with leap seconds until this one... Bad choice of kernel, I guess.

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iamlindoro_:

sphery, that's what you get for running ZuneLinux, as I said

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directhex:

iamlindoro, i thought qtwebkit was the good one, and gtkwebkit sucked

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sphery:

but it's so much better than iPodLinux

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sphery:

no one wants to steal/crack my systems when I run it

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iamlindoro_:

ZUNE=PERFECTLOWPOWERQUIETMYTHFRONTENDYESNO?

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directhex:

you kid, but the zune hardware is infinitely nicer than the ipod when it comes to an os like linux. if the zune didn't require signed stuff, right down to cpu level, anyway

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Dagmar:

#define EIGHTBALLSEZF**KYOU 3

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iamlindoro_:

That's like saying my mom is infinitely nicer than other moms except for all the times she kicked me in the nuts

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jamesd:

directhex, except for that little end of year issue...

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sphery:

why no one wants to steal/crack my ZuneLinux systems: http://hideapod.com/

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** kormoc isn't sure he wants to see where they hide their zunes.... **

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directhex:

jamesd, that error in the freescale sdk driver for the etc chip, as used in a bunch of non-zune devices?

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Dagmar:

sphery: That site is win.

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sphery:

kormoc: inside a gutted iPod nano. You have to fold the Zune 4 times to make it fit, but no one will steal it once you do.

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kormoc:

ha

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jamesd:

directhex, the issue where they stopped working after the end of the year.. not sure what caused it i just laughed because i don't have one and MS made another mistake

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directhex:

jamesd, the mistake was trusting their partners to not be chimps

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directhex:

jamesd, the error was in microsoft's QA for letting it slip, not their programmers – wasn't their source

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kormoc:

meh

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sphery:

jamesd: didn't it stop at exactly midnight UTC on Jan 1--the exact second when the leap second was applied?

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kormoc:

I don't think it was a mistake

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Dagmar:

sphery: They should branch out into stick-on Dell badges to cover the Apple lights with

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kormoc:

I mean really, what shop does QA on every future second for a device?

[01:01:15]

Dagmar:

Maybe some silvered "Inspiron" stickers...

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directhex:

kormoc, it is if you read the source in question

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sphery:

Dagmar: you should mail them a suggestion :)

[01:01:32]

Dagmar:

kormoc: Anyone who has coders with a brain making devices with a clock inside

[01:01:35]

kormoc:

directhex, who said QA had the source or even could read it?

[01:02:39]

directhex:

kormoc, true, of course.

[01:02:44]

directhex:

kormoc, still... infinite loops are bad

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kormoc:

tis true

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Dagmar:

...but hey... there's what, only a dozen or so "classic Windows coder" mistakes surrounding handing time/date conversion

[01:04:05]

Dagmar:

Who would have ever expected the stupid mistakes to be in the API they were accessing as well?

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sphery:

Dagmar: I thought Windows was a classic mistake surrounding handling time/date conversion (i.e. all times are local)

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kormoc:

meh, all code sucks, somehow, someway

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directhex:

someone at freescale needs to learn what happens if you check for isleapyear but only deal with days >366, not days==366

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Dagmar:

sphery: No, that's "legacy compatibility"

[01:05:25]

sphery:

oh, I see.. Guess we didn't have UTC back BCE

[01:05:31]

sphery:

make sense to me now

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Dagmar:

One of my favorites is when they take a time/date string and hand it to Windows to localize it, but then expect it to come back in a specific format.

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kormoc:

I declare that it is now hour 1, minute 0 in the first year of kormoc!

[01:05:56]

Dagmar:

sphery: it's actually for DOS apps that no one in their right mind runs anymore

[01:06:23]

Dagmar:

Nevermind that you can't even BEG these apps to run under 64-bit XP

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sphery:

yeah, that's what FreeDOS is for, anyway

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iamlindoro_:

+ for BIOS upgrades

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: not anymore... Any mobo worth its salt has the whole BIOS upgrade firmware (with USD mass storage device support) built in

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sphery:

though maybe they're just putting FreeDOS in the mobo...

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iamlindoro_:

sphery, *shrug* My $300 one doesn't that I *know* of, but maybe I'm just issing that bit

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iamlindoro_:

missing

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iamlindoro_:

which is entirely possible

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sphery:

Yeah, I have a bunch that don't. Alt-F2 seems to be the relatively-standard way to invoke it if it exists.

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directhex:

Dagmar, ehm... you know why xp x64 can't run dos apps, right?

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sphery:

is XP64 multilib, like Vista 64?

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directhex:

sphery, yes

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directhex:

sphery, same design – WoW64

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thefRont is now known as thefront

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sphery:

cool... hadn't heard of WOW64

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sphery:

but what will all those warcraft players think of MS's use of WOW?

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kormoc:

they love it, as they think it makes WOW run faster

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kormoc:

It's built in now!

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directhex:

sphery, WOW64 has been about since the win2k days, world of warcraft since 2004

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sphery:

heh

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iamlindoro_:

sphery, I'm concerned about all these 64 bit video cards

[01:20:53]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: you should probably put a comment on all the pages of those cards on newegg to help others out

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directhex:

iamlindoro, mach64!

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro_: all those video cards designed for single precision (32-bit) calculations?

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sphery:

I don't think the others got the reference...

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iamlindoro_:

nor I

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directhex:

users list?

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iamlindoro_:

newegg "high technical level" comments

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** kormoc sighs **

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kormoc:

I wish one could vote on that rating level

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wagnerrp:

wasnt there some thing about the FX line, that they only did 24-bit calculations, and the 16-bit and 32-bit capable radeons could both run faster or look better

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kormoc:

nah, they could do 16 or 24, they ran faster then the 32 bit radeons but slower when in 16 bit mode iirc

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kormoc:

ATI called foul claiming that them chopping down precision was cheating and all that jazz iirc

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wagnerrp:

maybe that was the 4-series

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directhex:

i miss 3dfx

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directhex:

from the days where a gpu really could be released and not accelerate >16 bit color

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kormoc:

I like my accelerated nethack

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wagnerrp:

i certainly dont miss having to run separate 2D and 3D cards

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directhex:

wagnerrp, how about SLI?

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directhex:

wagnerrp, or VGA passthrough cables?

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afm:

anyone know if the libraw1394 v2.0 fixes the current 1.3.0 bugs?

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wagnerrp:

i was speaking of VGA passthrough, actually

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wagnerrp:

but ive never used SLI, crossfire, or whatever 3dfx called it with the 3000 series

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wagnerrp:

we have an X2 card at work, but i dont think that counts

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sphery:

directhex + wagnerrp : http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductReview.a . . . )&Page=2 (see the Cons: section in HaTriX comment)

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wagnerrp:

no good

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directhex:

sphery, i think that's self-delcared

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wagnerrp:

i mean link doesnt work

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wagnerrp:

not on beirdo anyway

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sphery:

wagnerrp: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductReview.a . . . 2&Page=2 perhaps

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sphery:

it's much better when you look at his "Tech Level: high" and then read his "Other THoughts"

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sphery:

took forever to find that because it scrolled to the second page of review since I last saw it.

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wagnerrp:

seems the link was an issue with how beirdo generates the pages

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wagnerrp:

it added in some garbage syntaxing

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sphery:

rooaus: Did you see my mention that GreyFoxx is experiencing (and looking into) the delayed/dropped remote/keyboard event issue? Also, see http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/363152#363152 (which describes the symptoms he was mentioning)

[01:44:14]

rooaus:

sphery: Yeah, saw you mention, meant to say thanks :)

[01:44:45]

sphery:

well, wasn't looking for a thanks--just wanted to make sure you two communicate instead of both solving it independently (at 2x the time cost :)

[01:45:50]

sphery:

rooaus: OK, it seems that thread doesn't describe the symptoms he mentioned...

[01:46:08]

sphery:

his is more like what you mentioned...

[01:47:41]

rooaus:

yeah, was just reading it. The remote seems to work OK when in menus and mythmusic but it is after a short time watching a recording, strange.

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rooaus:

The other thing I see is I can't exit livetv, video just pauses but no popup menu. Not sure what is the issue there as I haven't looked at yet, need to build the the latest trunk on my laptop first.

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sphery:

rooaus: do you have logs of #mythtv? if so check out around 20090107 17:42:38 and 20090108 08:46:09 both (US) EST. On the 7th, there was also some discussion in #mythtv-users at http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1/2009-01-07 at 18:52:10 ( Be ir do time)

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rooaus:

sphery: cool, cheers :D

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sphery:

oh, and to save you some time, it looks like my theory that it was related to the gnome-screensaver-command patch of mine was totally wrong, so ignore all my comments in the discussion :)

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rooaus:

sphery: np, I tried reverting that and thought it fixed it, then realised it didn't. That was how I noticed it took a little while after starting the recording to appear. What I find interesting is that I only notice it during video playback, so far.

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sphery:

from the thread I (mis)quoted, it sounded like the guy thought that a common X config change would help--like a UseEvents True or one of the Composite extension texture ones (that I can never remember)

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wagnerrp:

what is OOM killer?

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iamlindoro_:

Out of Memory

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iamlindoro_:

kills processes to save the system

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jamesd:

i thought they hard coded that to pkill java ... pkill firefox ;-)

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kormoc:

sadly it's more often then not pkill sshd

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sphery:

forunately for a user I know about mythcommflag was >>> memory footprint than mythbackend, so it kept getting killed when he forgot to label his swap partition (and, therefore, had no swap)

[02:21:51]

kormoc:

swapfiles for the win!

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wagnerrp:

more memory for the win!

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kormoc:

why distros don't use them by now is beyond me, tell you what...

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iamlindoro_:

I heard that mythbackend leaks memory but stupid myth devs won't even look at it

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iamlindoro_:

I have ps aux output to prove it

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: I heard the Myth devs have controlling interest in the major RAM manufacturers, so they want it to leak memory

[02:23:28]

jedi__:

anyone aware of the new USB component capture device from blackmagic?

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kormoc:

Every day I remove one instance of free from the code base

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iamlindoro_:

sphery, I heard that too-- I tried to run valgrind for 37 seconds but it totally didn't work

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sphery:

jedi__: it's not the same one people have been talking about for years that they think is high def but isn't, is it?

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kormoc:

and if it's blackmagic, it can't be cheaper then the hdpvr

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iamlindoro_:

It'll be simple, we can just base it on the other Blackmagic drivers for li... oh.

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jedi__:

this is new and looks like it might be an HD-PVR knockoff.

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wagnerrp:

actually, its only $150

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jedi__:

actually... it is only SD

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wagnerrp:

seems so, yes

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: crazy... If mbe leaks 100MiB/hr, it should find a good 1.0278MiB leak in 37 seconds.

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jedi__:

...thought it looked way to small.

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iamlindoro_:

sphery, Seriously, though, did you see the response to the thread with the 30 second valgrind output?

[02:26:40]

iamlindoro_:

um... thanks?

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jedi__:

BM does have a component capture card... uncompressed of course and it costs $1000

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wagnerrp:

how long until mythtv supports the matrox rt.x2?

[02:27:02]

sphery:

jedi__: it's all black magic and snake oil to make you buy it before you realize it's not HDTV

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: I didn't read it

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** iamlindoro_ wonders what's wrong with the excellent, working-in-linux solution **

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jedi__:

...the lack of an s at the end.

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jedi__:

it's always good to have other options.

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iamlindoro_:

That kind of attitude gets me slapped by my girlfriends when I suggest it

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sphery:

by which you probably mean, "It's always good when someone else does the work to allow me to have other options." :)

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** iamlindoro_ suspects Tony Almeida is still a good guy **

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jedi__:

...excuse me while I build my own chip foundary.

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wagnerrp:

isnt he dead?

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iamlindoro_:

apparently not

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sphery:

I was mainly trying to say that supporting a new device is a /lot/ of work (>>> expensive in terms of time than the cost of an HD-PVR), so if you wouldn't choose to write the drivers yourself, you should probably go with the "mainstream" solution rather than holding out for the "not yet supported, but I like my options" approach

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afm:

the hdpvr is supported in trunk

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afm:

mre or less fully functional

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iamlindoro_:

afm, He's not referring to the HD-PVR

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iamlindoro_:

CONTEXT TROUT!

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afm:

oops...

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jedi__:

Don't get the wrong idea.

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** jedi__ pre-ordered a HD-PVR pretty much the instant one could do so. **

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sphery:

yeah, was really more of a general observation than one specifically targetted at you

[02:36:11]

sphery:

I've been reading too many -users list mails today, I guess

[02:37:00]

jedi__:

once all the new goodies (including VDPAU) are in production I will probably get another one and dump the PVR-150.

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iamlindoro_:

Can't leave MPEG-2 behind until lossless commercial cut is possible, personally... But I might take a rough run at something like that sometime soon

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** jedi__ doesn't trust flagging well enough to cut. **

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iamlindoro_:

no need to trust flagging

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iamlindoro_:

that's why god made cutlists

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jedi__:

well, the list has to come from somewhere.

[02:39:09]

iamlindoro_:

load commflag as cutlist->Check cutpoints->go

[02:39:36]

iamlindoro_:

You don't have to run a commflag to get a cutlist, you can do it manually-- but using at a hint to a cutlist works fine so long as you're checking the points yourself

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iamlindoro_:

as a

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sphery:

I trust buying lots of big (even if they're not good :) HDD's much more than even manual commflag/cutlist'ing.

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** jedi__ agrees with sphery. **

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iamlindoro_:

sphery, What's to "trust"? You set the cutlist *yourself*

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sphery:

besides, doing up a cutlist before you've watched the show often gives away some important clues :)

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whoDat:

can someone that uses an hd-5500 tell me what driver is used for it? I somehow borked mine and I need to know what files to restore.

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iamlindoro_:

sphery, And who says you have to do the cutlist before you watch?

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iamlindoro_:

sphery, I load the commflag as cutlist, watch, and if it was right, cut the commercials out and archive

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jedi__:

as soon as my new JBOD setup proves itself, my old JBOD setup will be re-tasked to recordings.

[02:42:08]

sphery:

well, after I watch, it's deleted, so I'd have to do it before

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jedi__:

I don't archive either.

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sphery:

I buy DVD releases (still haven't done the BD thing) to archive. I'll admit, though, there's very little I would ever consider watching more than 1 time, so it's not too expensive for me.

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iamlindoro_:

sphery, *particularly* then I wouldn't want to give up the HD broadcast signal

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iamlindoro_:

sphery, And given the limited release of TV on HD formats as yet, it's often the only way to get it asved

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iamlindoro_:

saved

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iamlindoro_:

eg I have every episode of BattleStar Galactica in 1080i... if I relied on disk media I'd have... the first season in HD and three SD seasons

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sphery:

I guess your local channels don't put so much garbage on the screen during the shows as mine do. "<X> days until the digital TV switchover. Will you be ready." "Breaking news: Watching TV might be killing you. Tune in at 11:00 to find out more." "All new episode of <some show> on Tuesday." "Unplug your toaster to save electricity. Green week 2009." "This show brought to you by <some company>."--and most with some ...

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sphery:

... annoying animated aspect.

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iamlindoro_:

sphery, Nope, none of that, just taht station watermark

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iamlindoro_:

er the

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sphery:

But, really, I find that the difference between (a good 480p) DVD quality and high def isn't enough to worry about.

[02:49:54]

sphery:

NTSC->DVD, the difference is a big worry, DVD->HDTV (720p or 1080i or 1080p) is meh

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iamlindoro_:

sphery, totally individual. At this point SD programming looks like an Elizabeth Taylor perfume commercial to me

[02:50:32]

sphery:

but then again, I'm more into the story than the pictures. (I just watch it for the articles...)

[02:50:45]

jedi__:

SD TV always had that problem.

[02:51:07]

wagnerrp:

you just watch porn for the tips

[02:51:17]

jedi__:

if they used the full potential of SD MPEG2 there would be no market for HD.

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sphery:

jedi__: I fully agree...

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iamlindoro_:

sphery, Display size also has a great deal to do with it-- on my 106" screen, 480p is < 7 Pixels per inch

[02:51:49]

sphery:

where SD MPEG2 necessarily means no more NTSC

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jedi__:

even Digital SD sucks.

[02:52:21]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: yeah, but at the right distance from the screen... :)

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iamlindoro_:

sphery, They won't let me stand across the street

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iamlindoro_:

restraining orders and all that

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sphery:

(though I'll admit that many have TV's/screens too large for the distance from their viewing area)

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sphery:

lol

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jedi__:

there's OTA stuff that takes more bandwidth than a DVD does.

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jedi__:

...and still looks like crap.

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phunyguy:

doh.

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phunyguy:

sphery

[02:53:49]

phunyguy:

i guess i was wrong

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sphery:

still slow?

[02:53:57]

phunyguy:

now it just lasts a little longer before it bombs out

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jedi__:

...which is why I transcode my OTA recordings.

[02:54:11]

phunyguy:

get about 6–8 channels up or down

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phunyguy:

tahts why i got excited

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jedi__:

I wonder if you can set it up so only the SD stuff gets transcoded...

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sphery:

I don't know, then. I'd guess it's either video driver config, deinterlacer, DB config (just like all the *buntu people who are saying that after a while their systems becomes non-responsive to key/button presses for up to 30s), or something else. I'm guessing, though, that you'll have to find it yourself if it's the last as many are still having the same issue and haven't seemed to have found a solution.

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sphery:

jedi__: it's on a per-recording rule basis, so by using separate callsigns for SDTV and HDTV channels and using "this channel" rules and having multiple rules where required (i.e. when you want to record on either SDTV or HDTV) you can

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sphery:

jedi__: or you could have a userjob do the transcode and choose whether to transcode or not

[03:01:57]

wagnerrp:

seems nvidia demo'd an Ion board at CES

[03:02:14]

wagnerrp:

the 9400 absolutely dwarfs the Atom

[03:03:10]

sphery:

yeah, there are probably billions of atoms in the 9400 ;)

[03:03:57]

** iamlindoro_ wonders how a VDPAU board makes the final part of the "HD-PVR/VDPAU triangle" **

[03:04:08]

iamlindoro_:

That triangle sucks

[03:04:25]

wagnerrp:

what the third corner?

[03:04:31]

iamlindoro_:

VDPAU! HD-PVR! .... More different VDPAU!

[03:04:37]

iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp, my point

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wagnerrp:

'seven dot one HDMI audio'... ive always thought it was 'seven point one' personally

[03:07:01]

wagnerrp:

and 'digital spee-dif', thats a new one

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sphery:

spee-dif? so Sony + Phillips = spee?

[03:08:32]

sphery:

Philips

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iamlindoro_:

pheelips

[03:09:25]

sphery:

heh

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wagnerrp:

gonads + strife + wEEEEE

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cesman:

iamlindoro_: they both have V, just flip the V upside down ;)

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iamlindoro_:

cesman, throw in one more VDPAU and you've got yourself a square

[03:19:19]

Paladine:

can anyone give me a clue on how to check the svideo input on a pvr150? For some reason it always seems to default to input 0 instead of input 1

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wagnerrp:

use the ivtv tools to set the svideo input, and cat /dev/video0 to a file

[03:20:11]

Paladine:

I did that already and it is still recording static

[03:21:05]

wagnerrp:

some discrepancy on the reports on the Ion

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wagnerrp:

one reports a 9400M, one reports a 9300M

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fuxxy is now known as unimaginative

[03:23:20]

unimaginative:

I've followed the guide to run mythbackend through gdb using a while loop, but now I can't find the while loop to kill it!

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Paladine:

oooo it is working now :)

[03:23:41]

unimaginative:

'ps auxw | grep while' doesn't return anything

[03:24:01]

Paladine:

now to try and remember how I had it setup in mythtv

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kormoc:

unimaginative, could do ps auxfww and follow the tree from myhhbackend up

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sphery:

unimaginative: did you get a good BT, already?

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perilousapricot:

can vdpau render to an opengl texture?

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unimaginative:

kormoc, found it. had to kill bash to get rid of the loop

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unimaginative:

sphery, not yet, I'm just restarting gdb to make sure it's loaded the new mythbackend

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wagnerrp:

perilousapricot: thinking of rendering video to a 3d geometry?

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perilousapricot:

wagnerrp: that's the idea

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unimaginative:

i did a ctrl+C earlier on it, got significantly more data, I think this time it'll work.

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stegel:

i am trying to set up myth with a UHF HD antenna from Pioneer...when i hook antenna up directly to TV, i can tune a bunch of stations...can't find any with myht and pinnacle 800i...any adivce

[03:46:24]

stegel:

advice*

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wagnerrp:

stegel: no such thing as an HD antenna

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iamlindoro_:

But it says so on the box! ;)

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sphery:

unimaginative: cool, good luck. I was going to be surprised if it cooperated already and segfaulted

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kormoc:

stegel, first step is to get it working outside of myth first

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stegel:

a uhf antenna

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stegel:

okay

[03:47:18]

stegel:

i did do that

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stegel:

directly on TV

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stegel:

or do you mean via dvb-utils?

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wagnerrp:

you cannot find any channel in a scan?

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kormoc:

stegel, aye, on the box

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stegel:

i should 8vsb from the examples folder, correct?

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unimaginative:

sphery, looks good so far, eh? http://rafb.net/p/zcUDYh37.html

[03:48:17]

wagnerrp:

so you have a multicore or hyperthreaded processor?

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stegel:

i should use 8vsb*

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unimaginative:

wow, 75 bucks for random crap I had lying around

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sphery:

unimaginative: yep, that's a good BT. Now we just need a segfault. :)

[03:50:30]

unimaginative:

I might just be able to afford iamlindoro_ 's motherboard

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stegel:

kormoc: should i run it against the us-8vsb example?

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** J-e-f-f-A wants one of iamlindoro's motherboards too... ;-) **

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wagnerrp:

stegel, do you have a multicore or hyperthreaded processor?

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stegel:

dual-core

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sphery:

stegel: yep

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iamlindoro_:

<hisssssssss> My preciousssssssss

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stegel:

i have athlon x2 64

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** wagnerrp wants the tv star locked in iamlindoro's basement **

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iamlindoro_:

I ain't done with her yet

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unimaginative:

Tom Cruise is a HER?

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unimaginative:

*grin*

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sphery:

stegel: wagnerrp is going to say, run mythtv-setup locked to one core using taskset -c 0

[03:52:34]

wagnerrp:

stegel: the mythtv digital channel scanner does not work on multicore chips

[03:52:49]

wagnerrp:

unimaginative: tom cruise is a tv star?

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unimaginative:

wagnerrp, ooh, touche.

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stegel:

wagnerrp: interesting

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wagnerrp:

stegel: its bugged, use sphery's simple fix

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, hey now, she's only on loan bud...

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unimaginative:

Now to get rid of the rest of these LGA775 P4's

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I was just saying what you were going to say, so it's really your fix (and it's the right fix)

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unimaginative:

two down, 9 more to go

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wagnerrp:

sphery: it would be, but i can never actually remember the command to do that

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wagnerrp:

i always wait for someone else to blurt it out

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sphery:

well, it's the thought that counts

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iamlindoro_:

taskset -c 0 mythtv-setup?

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stegel:

is there a way to change the terminal that runs when i execute mythtv-setup...i can't adjust font size or anything on it?

[03:55:06]

stegel:

and on my 46" it is hard to read

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: yep

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iamlindoro_:

gah, missed that it had been said moments ago

[03:55:42]

wagnerrp:

you cant read the text on a 46" HDTV?

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iamlindoro_:

!trout iamlindoro context

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** MythLogBot slaps iamlindoro with a context trout on behalf of iamlindoro_... **

[03:55:48]

sphery:

or you can lock it after with a pid

[03:55:52]

stegel:

it looks like it is size 8 font

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stegel:

it doesn't resize

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iamlindoro_:

sounds like ubuntu/mythbuntu to me

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iamlindoro_:

good old "wrap mythtv-setup with a script"

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sphery:

stegel: fonts in mythtv-setup aren't themed, but there are 3 settings in mythfrontend settings that will allow you to choose larger fonts for mythtv-setup: "Big" font, "Medium" font, and (you guessed it) "Small" font

[03:58:07]

stegel:

i may have accidently installed mythbuntu...but i can pull it out

[03:58:15]

iamlindoro_:

try opening a terminal and run mythtv-setup.real

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stegel:

i am running ubuntu 8.1 with mythtv installed via apt-get

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stegel:

wonder if i might have grabbed a mythbuntu package...going to try uninstalling that first

[03:58:38]

iamlindoro_:

no

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iamlindoro_:

don't do that

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: what's *buntu do to affect the fonts?

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stegel:

i don't want mythbuntu though

[03:58:52]

iamlindoro_:

ubuntu and mythbuntu use the *same* myth packages

[03:59:01]

iamlindoro_:

you didn't install mythbuntu

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stegel:

so far I am geting channels via dvb-utils/scan....this is good

[03:59:24]

iamlindoro_:

sphery, It spawns another terminal with some incomprehensibly small fonts

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stegel:

i did install mythbuntu control center though

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sphery:

mythbuntu is just ubuntu that's already been configured for Myth. Ubuntu + myth, you're the somebody who has to do all the configuration. :)

[03:59:42]

stegel:

this way i can at least learn something

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iamlindoro_:

stegel, Do *not* uninstall, you will not do anything for yourself

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stegel:

so intead of running mythtv-setup i should run mythtv-setup.real

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iamlindoro_:

yes

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stegel:

okay

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sphery:

oh, I just got that he's talking about a terminal window and /not/ about mythtv-setup fonts...

[04:00:54]

iamlindoro_:

yep

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iamlindoro_:

Hmm, every time I post to the dev list it stops for eight hours

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sphery:

stegel: I'd also recommend that you lie to X and tell it your display is really small so that it thinks your TV is 100DPI. Then, fonts in "not-designed-for-TV" programs like the terminal will be the right size.

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stegel:

okay

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sphery:

stegel: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frequent . . . rect_this.3F + http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Display_Size + http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Specifyi . . . NVIDIA_Cards

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stegel:

its an ATI card, but i will look at the links

[04:03:47]

sphery:

(plus you'll have to find out how to undo the things *buntu may have done--like specifying some -dpi argument on the X command-line or whatever)

[04:03:56]

sphery:

OK, then ignore the nvidia one

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sphery:

others still apply

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stegel:

now this is weird....and i am not sure what to search for...but sometimes when I watch dvds (and now NTSC tv)...i see two copies of the video signal...layered top and bottom

[04:04:56]

stegel:

dvds it seems to just be before the movie actually starts (at the Paramoumt, Columbia, screens, etc)

[04:05:00]

sphery:

darn... every time I go to that NVIDIA page and see the completely-unrelated-to-nvidia and completely-unrelated-to-X-DPI comment about the X font server DPI, I get upset...

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iamlindoro_:

Ah, the old I use an ATI card and the wrong deinterlacer

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stegel:

i am using envy-ngs tool to get the right drivers so i can also support audio over hdmi

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iamlindoro_:

sphery, This brings to mind an note I keep meaning to make-- we need to patch Slim to be the default Playback profile

[04:06:46]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: yeah, I want the same

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iamlindoro_:

stegel, Utilities/Setup->Setup->TV Settings->Playback, page three. change the playback profile to slim.

[04:06:57]

sphery:

Daniel wants it to be Normal

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iamlindoro_:

Watch in awe as the problem disappears

[04:07:04]

sphery:

there's a bug, though, that makes it CPU++

[04:07:11]

sphery:

(i.e. the first in the list)

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stegel:

on my way already...found the wiki article...wasn't even sure what to google

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stegel:

thanks for the hint on deinterlacing

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stegel:

i wish you guys had feedback like on home depot receipts

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stegel:

i love coming to this chan

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: I decided I'm not going to touch it (even the bug) until the screen becomes mythui, though. :)

[04:08:32]

iamlindoro_:

sphery, Bet that will be among the last things to go MythUI

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iamlindoro_:

(settings screens)

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jams:

it will be

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: Yeah. There's a reason that the settings screens are still Qt widgets (and not even old Myth UI elements). :)

[04:09:27]

iamlindoro_:

I'm not sure if I would ever go through the trouble of theming settings screens

[04:09:35]

iamlindoro_:

but maybe

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sphery:

I'm wondering if gbee will run out of motivation when he gets to settings, too, like last time

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jams:

i thought daniel was going for the settings pages

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sphery:

last time = whomever did the changes from Qt to not Qt

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sphery:

he did some of the work toward it, but it's not high priority for him, either

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: ideally the settings screens would take only one or two window definitions

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sphery:

or maybe none and just define colors/fonts and use inheritance

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iamlindoro_:

would be niec to lose the icky qt widgets

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iamlindoro_:

nice

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sphery:

if someone has to theme them all for default/default-wide, though, that's a really mess of work

[04:12:14]

sphery:

-ly

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sphery:

carefully, carefully, careful-ly

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sphery:

(just gave away my age, there)

[04:13:13]

** iamlindoro_ points a firearm at X **

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iamlindoro_:

DIE!

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iamlindoro_:

Ahhh, better

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tgm4883:

looks like there was a single shooter.....a crime of passion

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iamlindoro_:

Luckily X is Hindu

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tgm4883:

X was dead when we got to the scene

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iamlindoro_:

it was reincarnated

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tgm4883:

ah, well then there will be no charges filed

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wagnerrp:

yeah... but it may have come back as a cow

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tgm4883:

you are free to go

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iamlindoro_:

now it won't be able to tell me to burn things any more

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Dagmar:

That's not X.

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Dagmar:

That would be the undead ghost of Y-windows, burning with jealousy.

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feld:

looking for suggestions on a QAM card

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feld:

what's actually good?

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feld:

I was looking at a PCHDTV HD-5500 but now i'm hearing it's terrible for signal quality

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wagnerrp:

you will likely never have signal issues with QAM

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wagnerrp:

if you do, that usually just means youre splitting the signal too many times and need an amp

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feld:

i hope i'm not missing anything, but the local stations being broadcast in the USA now when they say they're moving to digital they mean QAM, right?

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sphery:

broadcast will be 8VSB vs QAM modulation

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wagnerrp:

no, ATSC

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wagnerrp:

ATSC is broadcast, QAM is cable

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feld:

oh interesting

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feld:

is one technically superior than the other?

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wagnerrp:

theyre for different purposes

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sphery:

just different ways of carrying (basically) the same signal

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feld:

and if i'm literally in line of sight of a tower i couldn't possibly have reception issues, could I? :S

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feld:

I mean *the* tower that's broadcasting

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wagnerrp:

ATSC (8VSB) can handle a much lower bitstream quality before losing data

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wagnerrp:

however QAM-256 can handle double the data throughput

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kevinle:

I am getting a message that I should have gotten a channel lock by now, and it says partial lock

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kevinle:

This is on a SA3250HD

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kevinle:

Can someone help me get the partial lock resolved?

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iamlindoro_:

the FCC probably could

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wagnerrp:

thats an STB, you need to fix whatever is wrong with your STB

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kevinle:

oh

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kevinle:

I have charter do those guys lock the channels?

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iamlindoro_:

which is to say, if it's "LAMc" then the channel is 5C locked

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wagnerrp:

STB meaning set top box, cable box

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iamlindoro_:

Almost all US providers lock firewire down to pretty much just the locals

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iamlindoro_:

There are exceptions... but they're just that, exceptions

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kevinle:

Even the locals are locked :(

[04:38:25]

kevinle:

FOX, NBC is locked

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iamlindoro_:

Did you follow the myth wiki and prime your box adequately?

[04:38:44]

kevinle:

oh i had no idea

[04:38:46]

kevinle:

there was a prime

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kevinle:

let me google that

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feld:

Charter... hah.. i just got rid of them. They're terrible and their prices suck. :S

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iamlindoro_:

can't just plug it in and go

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iamlindoro_:

wiki.mythtv.org/FireWire

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kevinle:

thats all i got in this area

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kevinle:

lol

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iamlindoro_:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/FireWire rather

[04:39:50]

iamlindoro_:

won't get anything in myth unless you get the box primed... which you may or may not need to do on a very VERY regular basis

[04:39:52]

feld:

anyway, do people here agree that the PCHDTV HD-5500 is a good quality ATSC tuner?

[04:40:00]

iamlindoro_:

and even then one program can be 5C and the next not 5C

[04:40:16]

iamlindoro_:

Yes, I've had a 5500 for years and never an issue

[04:40:26]

iamlindoro_:

for the money you might as well get an HDHomeRun though

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wagnerrp:

but you use QAM, not ATSC

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wagnerrp:

so signal quality isnt an issue you would even notice

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kevinle:

i see

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iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp, I used it for years with ATSC

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wagnerrp:

i thought you were behind a hill, and didnt get reception

[04:41:12]

iamlindoro_:

since I bought my house, yes

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wagnerrp:

ah, nevermind then

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iamlindoro_:

There was life before house :)

[04:41:40]

wagnerrp:

yes, but it was boring with lack of Cameron

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feld:

hdhomerun you say, eh?

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wagnerrp:

or thirteen

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feld:

now on ATSC they're broadcasting HD and SD signals side by side, right?

[04:43:18]

kevinle:

oh cool someone rote a primer script

[04:43:21]

wagnerrp:

correct

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wagnerrp:

all digital, but they can be 480p, 720p, or 1080i

[04:43:51]

feld:

or what happens if I hook one of these up to an SDTV because I didn't get an HDTV yet for one room, etc.

[04:44:13]

wagnerrp:

then your graphics card and XV downscales to the output resolution

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feld:

oh hah! shit i am retarded wagnerrp

[04:44:55]

feld:

i am getting a tuner for straight TV and one for PC as well

[04:45:04]

feld:

i wasn't thinking straight — long day.

[04:45:18]

feld:

of course I can downscale in Xorg

[04:45:27]

wagnerrp:

a tuner for straight TV? meaning an STB?

[04:45:37]

feld:

yes

[04:45:40]

kevinle:

What packages provides plugctl?

[04:45:52]

feld:

wagnerrp: i'll also get a separate one that can be hooked directly to the TV

[04:46:19]

feld:

one I want for recording things to MythTV, the other will be for watching straight TV without needing my PC to be on or Myth to be running and lots of other scenarios.

[04:46:22]

iamlindoro_:

kevinle, All software is listed at the topof the page...

[04:47:50]

stegel:

so i have a populate channels.conf....see http://pastie.org/359332...and i do a scan...import from channels.conf...but i get nothing

[04:47:53]

stegel:

what step am i missing her

[04:47:56]

stegel:

here*

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feld:

wagnerrp: my only other thought was "how is HDHomeRun a 100mbit network device, and they say each tuner only uses 15mbit"? is it actually that low? I always thought it was more for their HD junk...

[04:48:21]

iamlindoro_:

stegel, The part where you should never import a channels.conf

[04:48:27]

wagnerrp:

ATSC is at most 19mbps

[04:48:33]

wagnerrp:

QAM is at most 38mbps

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wagnerrp:

two tuners, so the HDHR will use at most 76mbps

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feld:

ok that sounds more like it then

[04:48:55]

stegel:

oy...i was just following the wiki article on digital channels and it said to import

[04:48:58]

feld:

i thought 15mbit was a bit low

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iamlindoro_:

stegel, What article?

[04:49:09]

stegel:

cause doing a scan in myth turns up nothing..even on single-core

[04:49:14]

wagnerrp:

15–16mbps is average bitrate for an HD channel

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stegel:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Adding_D . . . _USA/Canada)

[04:49:36]

iamlindoro_:

stegel, did you read the note at the top?

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stegel:

got it

[04:49:50]

stegel:

sorry

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kevinle:

sigh mythbuntu doesnt have those dependencies

[04:49:58]

kevinle:

and their forum is down

[04:50:20]

iamlindoro_:

kevinle, it most certainly does

[04:50:32]

stegel:

iamlindoro_ that would work, but I can't see to get any channels using myth's scanner

[04:50:37]

iamlindoro_:

"apt-cache search libiec"

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kevinle:

oh goodie its in the -dev package

[04:50:45]

wagnerrp:

feld: note that even though a QAM channel can support 38mbps, any stream on digital cable will doubtfully be larger than 15–16mbps

[04:50:48]

iamlindoro_:

apt-cache search libraw1394

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iamlindoro_:

etc.

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feld:

wagnerrp: right, makes sense... i know they're on a bandwidth crunch...

[04:51:19]

wagnerrp:

so until someone writes up multirec support for the HDHR, the most you will see is somewhere around 35mbps

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** RyeBrye hopes that day comes soon that the HDHR will saturate his network **

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stegel:

so for OTA...why do i get so many channels via db-utils/scan but none via myth

[04:54:51]

RyeBrye:

well... it wont saturate it much...

[04:55:07]

iamlindoro_:

if experience tells anything, it's usually user misconfiguration

[04:56:09]

stegel:

hmmm...myth just crashed during my scan

[04:56:21]

kevinle:

hmmm the firewire test p2p and broadcast both failed

[04:56:22]

stegel:

Error: Tune(): Setting Frontend tuning parameters failed.

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kevinle:

i am thinking the port on the stb is not open

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iamlindoro_:

kevinle, Switch to a network TV (NBC, CBS, etc.) channel to give yourself the greatest chance of it working

[04:56:58]

stegel:

mythtv-setup.real: ../../src/xcb_lock.c:77: _XGetXCBBuffer: Assertion `((int) ((xcb_req) – (dpy->request)) >= 0)' failed.

[04:57:02]

iamlindoro_:

if those don't work... well, you may be sunk

[04:57:10]

iamlindoro_:

stegel, Did you run mythtv-setup with taskset?

[04:57:36]

iamlindoro_:

taskset -c 0 mythtv-setup.real

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stegel:

nope...is this theerror you were speaking to

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stegel:

okay

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iamlindoro_:

well we weren't just making stuff up before

[04:57:59]

iamlindoro_:

we do that in the mornings

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stegel:

i didn't no there was a fatal error that caused myth to crash...assumed you just meant it wouldn't find any channels

[04:58:30]

stegel:

i shoul get up early then

[04:59:00]

kevinle:

oh dope

[04:59:01]

kevinle:

it works

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kevinle:

but the sound is super low

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iamlindoro_:

so... turn it up?

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iamlindoro_:

digital sound will almost invariably be much lower level than analog

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iamlindoro_:

until myth gets auto gain it's something to live with

[05:00:37]

kevinle:

man i forgot the command line to adjust audio

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kevinle:

not aumix

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iamlindoro_:

alsamixer

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kevinle:

thank you!

[05:01:45]

kevinle:

whoa when i change channels with the stb

[05:01:46]

kevinle:

it works

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kevinle:

but now with the internal mythtv changer, thats where i am getting the partial lock

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stegel:

iamlindoro_ same error with using taskset

[05:04:07]

stegel:

taskset -c 0 mythtv-setup.real -geometry 1921x1081

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stegel:

../../src/xcb_lock.c:77: _XGetXCBBuffer: Assertion `((int) ((xcb_req) – (dpy->request)) >= 0)' failed.

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iamlindoro_:

stegel, did it complete scanning first?

[05:06:15]

stegel:

not sure

[05:06:17]

stegel:

it just bailed

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stegel:

i am going to check my channel list

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iamlindoro_:

taskset should still allow it to *complete* even if it crashes at the end (in which case the channels found will have made it to the DB)

[05:06:46]

stegel:

seems to have gotten some channels, but not all

[05:07:02]

iamlindoro_:

very likely limited itself to unencrypted

[05:07:06]

iamlindoro_:

how many did you get?

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iamlindoro_:

(and how many did you expect?)

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stegel:

i expected all basic stations: CBS, NBC, ABC

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stegel:

which showed up in my channels.conf from running dbvb-utils/scan

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iamlindoro_:

and have you gone through and watched what you got in this channel scan?

[05:10:46]

iamlindoro_:

Just because they showed up in the dvbutils scan doesn't mean a) they didn't end up in myth without PSIP data or b) that they're not (unlawfully) encrypted

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iamlindoro_:

keep in mind, channel 11–1 or whatever on your TV is very possibly *frequency position* 70-something, 80-something, etc.

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stegel:

okay

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stegel:

can i manually add those channels to see if anything comes in

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wagnerrp:

IP addresses on tv shows... 1623.187.228.983.1.5

[05:12:15]

** iamlindoro_ sighs **

[05:12:15]

iamlindoro_:

You're not listening

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iamlindoro_:

Have you *gone through and watched* what you got on the myth scan?

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stegel:

about to

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stegel:

doing analog channel scan now

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iamlindoro_:

anyway, off to bed, someone here will likely pick up with this

[05:12:56]

iamlindoro_:

and they'll tell you you don't scan analog channels...

[05:13:01]

stegel:

iamlindoro_ thanks for your patience, i really appreciate your help

[05:13:02]

wagnerrp:

people playing gears of war on an xbox and keyboard

[05:13:11]

iamlindoro_:

stegel, good luck

[05:18:08]

kevinle:

hmmm changing channels doesnt work

[05:20:38]

wagnerrp:

odd... i cant ping, i cant access web pages, i cant access my modem... but irc still... kinda... works

[05:22:01]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, I can't see what you're saying

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wagnerrp:

guess i should go to the basement and do a hard cycle

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RyeBrye:

shit. wagnerrp is goign to realize that we are all ALICE bots running on his local network :/

[05:26:36]

RyeBrye:

the jig is up!

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wagnerrp:

how do you like being up on the jig?

[05:27:07]

RyeBrye:

better than on the spinaker

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wagnerrp:

lets discuss this spinaker more

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RyeBrye:

;)

[05:30:14]

RyeBrye:

wait... ALICE is being ALICEd

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wagnerrp:

'Microsoft's extensive user data revealed that Windows users often tend to use only one or two windows at a time'... Windows users need to get larger and more monitors

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jamesd:

wagnerrp, perhaps they deal with webpages that have bugs that cause iexplorer to use 5GB of ram do the machine crawls if has more than 2 windows open

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wagnerrp:

i think on average, i have about a dozen windows open

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MaliutaLap:

anyone know how to transcode nuv files from myth to an xvid avi? (without mythtv installed) maybe with transcode or mencoder?

[06:31:00]

wagnerrp:

mythtranscode will only generate nuvs

[06:31:08]

wagnerrp:

i believe ffmpeg has nuv support

[06:31:40]

wagnerrp:

the nuv may already be mpeg4asp, in which case xvid wont be significantly smaller

[06:31:55]

wagnerrp:

you may just want to repack it to avi

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MaliutaLap:

it's not size I'm haveing issues with, it's playing the file with mplayer thats the problem

[06:32:21]

MaliutaLap:

trying to skip forward kills playback

[06:32:36]

wagnerrp:

why use mplayer?

[06:32:50]

MaliutaLap:

it's my player of choice on my machines

[06:33:03]

MaliutaLap:

these files where recorded for me by a friend while I was OS

[06:33:10]

wagnerrp:

i mean recordings are just a lot easier to use on the frontend

[06:33:29]

wagnerrp:

anyway, ive never actually messed with nuvs

[06:33:35]

wagnerrp:

all my cards dump mpeg files

[06:33:45]

MaliutaLap:

I am not currently runing myth in this house, I can't get enough signal for digital until the antenna gets replaced

[06:33:53]

wagnerrp:

you have cable?

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MaliutaLap:

no

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MaliutaLap:

.au cable isn't worth the outlay

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wagnerrp:

ah

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wagnerrp:

i was going to say US cable retransmits broadcast digital

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MaliutaLap:

so I need a way to transcode the files so I can play them reliably

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wagnerrp:

but i dont know how australia works

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wagnerrp:

well i just broke my windows desktop

[07:01:22]

clever:

yay!

[07:01:30]

wagnerrp:

rather, i broke the little plastic clip on the SATA port on the boot drive

[07:01:56]

clever:

ahh

[07:02:05]

clever:

physical damage to the windows drive

[07:02:18]

clever:

that sucks, because you cant format to linux and instantly solve it:P

[07:02:50]

jamesd:

strange how that damage resulting from throwing the box out the window.. but i have seen stranger things.

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wagnerrp:

i believe i have a identical drive i can image to

[07:03:12]

wagnerrp:

but that still suck losing an otherwise perfectly good 300GB drive

[07:03:24]

clever:

once, i swaped the 'controler board' on the hdd with an identical drive

[07:03:43]

wagnerrp:

if its out of warranty, i may see if i can just get maxtor to ship me a new bracket, and solder it on

[07:03:51]

clever:

but that didnt solve the problem i had at the time, which was bad sectors in the fat table

[07:04:22]

clever:

if theres no nvram storing special crap on the board, you might be able to just swap the whole board off the side of the drive

[07:04:52]

clever:

aslong as you also had an identical drive

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wagnerrp:

the pins are all still there, so i *should* be able to plug it into a cable, and run with it

[07:05:55]

wagnerrp:

but i dont trust that for any long term solution

[07:06:05]

wagnerrp:

the drive will have to be replaced

[07:06:42]

wagnerrp:

lets see if the Maxtor replacement is a painless as i have found other manus to be

[07:08:29]

wagnerrp:

nope, one year

[07:08:33]

wagnerrp:

fun...

[07:09:52]

wagnerrp:

i think ill call tomorrow morning

[07:10:15]

wagnerrp:

seems like something that would be easier to discuss over the phone than email

[07:11:31]

wagnerrp:

yep, heres an identical drive

[07:12:57]

wagnerrp:

one of my drives from my old array, just sitting on my desk for backup purposes

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wagnerrp:

to be honest, i wont actually lose anything if i lose that drive

[07:16:07]

wagnerrp:

i just have to reinstall windows and applications

[07:16:15]

wagnerrp:

profile is stored on a file server

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lbow:

Hi Mythers: My previously-working Myth box with 2 x PVR250 now has one card that seem to be locked up or even broken. First card still is fine, but second gives: "ivtv1: Initializing card #1

[07:20:32]

lbow:

ivtv1: Autodetected Hauppauge card (cx23415 based)

[07:20:32]

lbow:

ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [APC2] enabled at IRQ 17

[07:20:32]

lbow:

ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:01:07.0[A] -> Link [APC2] -> GSI 17 (level, low) -> IRQ 17

[07:20:32]

lbow:

ivtv1: Unreasonably low latency timer, setting to 64 (was 0)

[07:20:34]

lbow:

ivtv1: Loaded v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw firmware (376836 bytes)

[07:20:36]

lbow:

ivtv1: Loaded v4l-cx2341x-dec.fw firmware (262144 bytes)

[07:20:38]

lbow:

ivtv1: Encoder mailbox not found

[07:20:40]

lbow:

ivtv1: Retry loading firmware

[07:20:42]

lbow:

ivtv1: Loaded v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw firmware (376836 bytes)

[07:20:44]

lbow:

ivtv1: Loaded v4l-cx2341x-dec.fw firmware (262144 bytes)

[07:20:46]

lbow:

ivtv1: Encoder mailbox not found

[07:20:48]

lbow:

ivtv1: Error initializing firmware

[07:20:50]

lbow:

ivtv1: Error -19 on initialization". (Other times the box locks up when it probes that card). Any suggestions!?

[07:21:13]

wagnerrp:

thats a BAD lbow!

[07:21:18]

lbow:

:-(

[07:21:30]

wagnerrp:

dont paste flood like that

[07:21:38]

wagnerrp:

use pastebin

[07:21:42]

lbow:

sorry about that

[07:22:10]

lbow:

not a irc regular. let me off this time ;-)

[07:22:24]

wagnerrp:

nothing to do with irc, just channel rules

[07:23:15]

wagnerrp:

its listed in the topic, perhaps not that visibly though

[07:25:28]

wagnerrp:

if one card works, but the other card fails, chances are the card just went bad

[07:25:50]

wagnerrp:

maybe try it in a different slot, or different machine altogether

[07:25:59]

wagnerrp:

but the 250 is an old card

[07:26:21]

kevinle:

is there a better remote than the PVR150 remote that works well with mythtv

[07:27:02]

lbow:

Sure – I've been Mythtving for years. Haven't got any more slots (its a custom-made system with a small mobo.

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wagnerrp:

kevinle: the 150 should work just fine for receiving, but ive heard its a pain to get working for transmission

[07:27:42]

wagnerrp:

the two big recommendations are the mceusb2 and the usbuirt

[07:27:56]

wagnerrp:

they seem to work well with lirc

[07:28:00]

kevinle:

well i am buying a blaster

[07:28:05]

kevinle:

from that irblaster.info website

[07:28:21]

kevinle:

so i can change channels on my stb

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wagnerrp:

careful buying the mce one... there are a lot of 'vista compatible' receivers/blasters, but only some are mceusb2 receivers

[07:28:45]

wagnerrp:

do you have cable or satellite?

[07:28:49]

kevinle:

cable

[07:28:59]

kevinle:

all my channels are unlocked

[07:29:03]

kevinle:

but just need a way to change them

[07:29:11]

wagnerrp:

you may want to just pick up a firewire-enabled STB

[07:29:18]

wagnerrp:

and use firewire to change channels

[07:29:26]

kevinle:

yes

[07:29:31]

kevinle:

i just said, all my channels are unlocked

[07:29:34]

kevinle:

no encryption

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wagnerrp:

well then just use firewire

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wagnerrp:

no reason at all to fiddle with an IR blaster

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kevinle:

it doesnt work

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kevinle:

i poked around all night

[07:30:13]

kevinle:

when mythtv changes the channel it says it cant get a lock

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wagnerrp:

i cant tell you anything but to continue poking around

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kevinle:

but when i manually change the channel via the stb remote

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wagnerrp:

ive never used firewire

[07:30:26]

kevinle:

video/audio works

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wagnerrp:

or an ir blaster for that matter

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kevinle:

so my solution is to use the ir blaster to change channels

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stuarta:

morning all

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wagnerrp:

morning

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kevinle:

has anyone use the ragetv script?

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Daniel_DK123:

Morning! Do anyone know where one may finde the changelog for the svn version?

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justinh:

the changelog?

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stuarta:

try reading the archive for mythtv-commits

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stuarta:

http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-commits

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justinh:

don't think anybody updates a changelog manually

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stuarta:

they do, but 1 week before release :-p

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stuarta:

wtf did we change.....

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justinh:

heh I meant on a day-by-day basis.. or commit by commit basis

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judazz:

Hi folks, I've been asking around about firewire or PCI express DVB-C cards that work in Linux, but it seems none are working atm. So I though I'd buy a PCI card and put it in my one and only PCI slot.

[09:42:58]

judazz:

I've read http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Multirec, but can't see Terratec listed

[09:43:18]

judazz:

Does anyone know if Terratec Cinergy C 1200 DVB-C will work with multirec?

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judazz:

And – will it be cpu intensive? Where I live, I have my five(!) favorite channels in the same multiplex... :)

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justinh:

judazz: it'll cope with five just fine

[09:45:25]

judazz:

cool, maybe I'll finally will be able to go all digital then.

[09:45:26]

justinh:

judazz: my crappy athlon 800 dev box coped with 10 recordings per mux fine – the CPU usage got spiked up to 50% periodically by the scheduler

[09:46:39]

judazz:

justinh, great news. Is Terratec Cinergy a good choice? any other suggestions (DVB-C)?

[09:46:55]

stuarta:

have a look at www.linuxtv.org

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justinh:

for DVB-C you're extremely limited to a) what's available & b) what'll work in linux

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judazz:

Yep, I've been searching around, not much to choose from. But at least have read report on Terratec Cinergy DVB-C (PCI) working. Think I'll go for that. Thanks

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MilkBoy:

I have a cinergy 1200 working quite OK

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judazz:

MilkBoy, you're using multirec?

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MilkBoy:

yea

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judazz:

how many channels?

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MilkBoy:

not sure if I have it on right now tho, reinstalled the box a few days ago, and it's not quite running as I want yet

[09:51:37]

MilkBoy:

only tried 2 I think

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judazz:

my "problem" is that I've only got one PCI slot, and have to throw out my PVR-500 (dual analog tuner), and replace it with the DVB-C card

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MilkBoy:

doh

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judazz:

So to keep the WAF, I need to be able to record more than one channel...

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justinh:

judazz: 5 recordings per card will be comfy :)

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stuarta:

just be aware that doing that probably violates T&C's of you provider and you lose support for crypted channels

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justinh:

judazz: keep an eye open for the HDHR DVB-C box ;)

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** judazz googling HDHR DVB-C **

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justinh:

no CI slot on it though

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judazz:

regarding violating T&C's, I think I'm on quite safe grounds (here in Norway)

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stuarta:

it's very territory dependent

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stuarta:

only you would know

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** judazz was about to ask a question about decrypting multiple channels at a time, using softcam, but think that sould be done elsewhere (?) **

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laga:

yes.

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justinh:

judazz: you can't talk about that here, no

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judazz:

ok, no prob

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justinh:

forget about the HDHR dvb-c box if your cable is encrippled btw.. AFAIK it won't be able to use a CI/CAM

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judazz:

ok

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justinh:

though what use a dvb-c box that only deals with unencrippled streams would be to anybody.. I dunno!

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stuarta:

judazz: doing so will get you kicked from here

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laga:

justinh: we get unencrypted channels here

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judazz:

stuarta, yep, though I read some heated discussion about that here some time ago. No problem :)

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justinh:

laga: so do we- not that there's anything you can't already get on dvb-s FTA or dvb-t

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justinh:

and whether or not it's a T&C violation of VirginMedia to connect your own box to the cable.. that's no longer clear since nobody has found any mention of it in the new T&Cs

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laga:

justinh: quality is better

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laga:

justinh: then it's probably not a TC violation.

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justinh:

if I can have that in writing (?) I'll buy a reel of low-loss coax & start looking for dvb-c cards

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jduggan:

justinh: interesting, that seems quite clear to me

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jduggan:

are they not encrypted?

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jduggan:

digital signals?

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justinh:

jduggan: I've heard that the 'S' package is unencrippled

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justinh:

but it's less than you get with freeview.. ish AFAIK

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stuarta:

huh? they wouldn't do it on a package basis. waste of bandwidth

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stuarta:

either the channel is or isn't encrypted

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justinh:

stuarta: oh but they do apparently

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stuarta:

thats stupid

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justinh:

yup

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justinh:

since all the control is done in the STB

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stuarta:

they would be providing both the C & F versions on the cable

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kevinle:

does anyone here use the ragetv script?

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jduggan:

justinh: well, interesting, do you know of any success stories of VM w/myth? I'd always been informed it was violation of terms and conditions to do it, so havent even investigated the possibilities, perhaps i should read the t&c's for myself

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stuarta:

wise idea

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justinh:

jduggan: the more people sift through those docs the better :)

[10:07:34]

justinh:

I'd always maintained it was a violation, based on the assumption that they'd just cut & pasted NTL's – where I know for certain they prohibited it

[10:07:45]

justinh:

then I actually _READ_ the damn things :)

[10:08:14]

laga:

justinh: just ask them?

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justinh:

I wouldn't take anything a phone droid takes as gospel or legal precedent

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Daniel_DK123:

<+stuarta> Thanks the mythtv-commits is what i was looking for :)

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phunyguy:

is there a way to autopopulate movie info when pointing to the collection?

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phunyguy:

like cover image, plot, etc

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phunyguy:

i have hundreds of movies – lol

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justinh:

I believe there's a script available to do that

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justinh:

a third party script

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Daniel_DK123:

yeah – i think its called imdbbulkupdater

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Daniel_DK123:

google says: http://www.nabble.com/New-Version:-1.9-IMDB-B . . . 7s15552.html

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Daniel_DK123:

have any of you guys had any success with s2api and dvb-s2? I've been trying to get this stuff to work for a long time now with limited success :(

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justinh:

I thought it was all looking more promising now there actually IS an S2 API :)

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Daniel_DK123:

Yeah – I thought so too, actually the api working since i can scan and tune to dvb-s2 transponders using scan-s2 :)

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Daniel_DK123:

Mythtv is a whole different animal though – it will NOT lock on any transponder (dvb-s or s2) after i apply the patches from ticket# 5882 http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5882

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justinh:

finally! got trunk plugins to compile. needed to distclean the whole lot

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justinh:

uh? 19:37:01.792 TVRec(3) Error: Failed to set channel to 42. Reverting to kState_None. what IS channel 42 anyway I wonder? hrm

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justinh:

nutstv. now off air

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** justinh stops the backend **

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stuarta:

what no dodgy male oriented channels for you?

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justinh:

they're off air now anyway... for good!

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justinh:

though quite why tvrec reported that I dunno.. unless it was to do with EIT

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jduggan:

oh

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jduggan:

theyre offair

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jduggan:

how

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jduggan:

very

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jduggan:

unfortunate.

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jduggan:

:|

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justinh:

bugger. forgot to get the chanid of nutstv incase for some unknown reason I had a recording schedule

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directhex:

quick, put another shopping channel in the gap

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justinh:

ah. I have a backup on my laptop :)

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jduggan:

lol

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** stuarta offers justinh the hide channel checkbox **

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justinh:

jduggan: easier than untarring this morning's backup :)

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jduggan:

backups? what are they?

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jduggan:

:D

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justinh:

stuarta: hiding it.. will that stop the eit crawler working on it too?

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justinh:

nothing in the record, recorded or oldrecorded tables for chanid 1042.. so it must've been EIT failing on there

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stuarta:

uncheck useonairguide as well

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justinh:

not sure that's in the remit of tvrec though.. if not I suspect somebody in my house is a secret watcher

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stuarta:

easiest done using the hardcore settings interface in mythweb

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justinh:

better just to delete defunct channels if you know what you're doing IMHO

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** justinh remembers when channels would mysteriously reappear **

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justinh:

and back in the day, PID entries were all manual.. god.. how long was it before somebody realised what the networks do with dynamic PIDs ?

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Similian:

cheers

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Similian:

i know you might be sick of it but any ideas on how to get the pearody / pearTV theme ?

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justinh:

you'll be lucky

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justinh:

though I saw its author drop by here a few days ago

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justinh:

Dubstar04 IIRC

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justinh:

!seen dubstar_04

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MythLogBot:

dubstar_04 was last seen 1 day 18 hours 1 minute 39 seconds ago

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justinh:

ding ding

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justinh:

AFAIK it wasn't much more than a menu revamp on top of projectgrayhem-wide.. could be very wrong though

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justinh:

well he's not on freenode at the mo.. or is cloaked

[13:20:02]

justinh:

he has an account on mythtvtalk.com – he'll probably get an email if you send him a PM

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justinh:

I might have a copy kicking around here actually. sec

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justinh:

yup :)

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Similian:

Jack Pott

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justinh:

want me to uploadify it?

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Similian:

well if you dont mind

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Similian:

:)

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justinh:

no idea how old it is though, but it's prolly quite up to date based on what I've heard this week

[13:22:03]

Similian:

yes i read mythvideo is a bit wrong ...

[13:22:20]

Similian:

but if its nice i would like to contribute ... we'll see

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Similian:

might talk to dubbo

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justinh:

it's all moot anyway with mythui changes in the air

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Similian:

yes

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Similian:

i will wait till 0.22 of course

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jduggan:

:o

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Similian:

with contributing i mean

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jduggan:

apart from vdpau and ui, what are the major changes for .22?

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justinh:

:-O

[13:23:45]

justinh:

mythtubes!

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justinh:

still not committed yet though

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Similian:

and qt4?

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justinh:

so maybe discount that

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justinh:

qt4 brings no visible changes as such

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Similian:

(which is noffin to to with themes )

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** jduggan thinks he'll probably be on .21-fixes for quite some time (given that i've only just updated from .20 =] ) **

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Similian:

qt4 brings more possibilities with css tho ? doesnt it?

[13:24:57]

Similian:

it should

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justinh:

Similian: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/ . . . -wide.tar.gz – NOT YET FINISHED UPLOADING!

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justinh:

Similian: wth does css have to do with anything?

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Similian:

i meant qt ui styling ...

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Similian:

(where i dont know what the myth code looks like)

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justinh:

myth won't be using any naff old qt widgets

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Similian:

well then

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justinh:

ah. pearodyTV-wide was adapted from mythcenter

[13:28:08]

justinh:

so it's not much more than a menu theme

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Similian:

thanks for the theme

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justinh:

heheh. it has two watermark directories.. one I suspect can be deleted

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justinh:

finished uploading btw

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justinh:

yeah you can safely delete the 'watermark (copy)' dir. not referenced anywhere

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justinh:

I'll delete it here & redo the tarball

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directhex:

is napping on my desk likely to cause me issues? hmm

[13:31:49]

laga:

directhex: i'm pondering the same thing.. although i'm at home

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stuarta:

napping on your keyboard maybe

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justinh:

directhex: keyboard impressions on your face? :)

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jduggan:

atleast not all keys will impression, due to y, o, u, t, b, e, ., c and m being worn

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jduggan:

erm

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jduggan:

hah

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Similian:

you dont have the 4:3 version ?

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jduggan:

way to spell youporn wrong

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jduggan:

oh well

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jduggan:

joke fail

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justinh:

Similian: there was never a 4:3 version

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justinh:

ever

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Similian:

guess wont need it just wondered

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Similian:

following its tracks

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Similian:

i read about one

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justinh:

where?

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Similian:

freespace.virgin.net/sally.taylor30/Pear-ody.tar.gz

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Similian:

not wide

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justinh:

god, another email asking if projectgayhem will be worky with 0.22 ***K OFF

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Similian:

Kick off?

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Similian:

nice

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justinh:

Similian: would be easy to convert pearody to 4:3.. but is it worth the effort?

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justinh:

ahhh. mtweber at gmail ?

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justinh:

http://mtweber.googlepages.com/peartvtheme

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justinh:

it's based on pearody-wide

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justinh:

how that one slid under my radar I'll never know

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justinh:

dubstar is on the boxee forums too..

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justinh:

there is no escape! muhahahaha

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justinh:

whoops. ubuntu forums not boxee

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Similian:

=) I will check it out

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** justinh is now officially an interweb stalker **

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Similian:

gues it not real till 0.22

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Similian:

thanks

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justinh:

I could probably help fix it up but there's not really any point IMHO

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justinh:

bloody hell. dubstar_04 is pretty local to me looking at his cable modem address

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justinh:

small world indeed

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laga:

who is dubstar?

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Similian:

pearody themer

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justinh:

laga: the guy wot made pearody-tv

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laga:

ah

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Similian:

what osd are you ppl using

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justinh:

glass-osd

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Similian:

is there an other theme rep than the wiki ?

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justinh:

the one that comes with glass-wide

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justinh:

nope

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justinh:

going by recent screenshots I've seen that wiki page seems more like a rogue's gallery nowadays

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Similian:

i like the theme i'll try it a while

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Similian:

thanks justin

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justinh:

np

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aBs0lut30:

I cant imagine it would, but does myth enforce broadcast flags?

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stuarta:

pfft

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justinh:

how would it?

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justinh:

and even if it did, how easy would it be to make it NOT do that? ;)

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stuarta:

we've not put in any support for such silliness

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aBs0lut30:

cool, i just couldnt imagine the OSS community doing that, but i figured it was worth asking

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aBs0lut30:

well hopefully I will be able to rid myself of MCE soon, got to order some HD-PVR's thursday and i'm home free, OHHH the HD goodness makes me happy :D

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justinh:

blimey. now I know what dubstar_04 looks like

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** justinh stops googling **

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aBs0lut30:

ohh, was reading up on VDPAU yesterday and came across something talking about some sort of issue using it when there are digital tuners involved, is this true?

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justinh:

ruh?

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jedi__:

sounds like a Vista sort of problem.

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jedi__:

"DRM self-nuke"

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aBs0lut30:

heh, well it mentioned myth... let me see if i can find it again

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justinh:

viddypow is in Beta... so YMMV a great deal indeed

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directhex:

justinh, isn't 180.x out proper-like now?

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justinh:

doesn't mean VDPAU is out of beta

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sid3windr:

what's a broadcast flag?

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sid3windr:

something like "do not record" or so?

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Similian:

how ?

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justinh:

sid3windr: yeah that's it. like 'do not record' 'allow copy' and 'do not allow copy'

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sid3windr:

don't copy that floppy

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justinh:

it's just a kind of register in the stream

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aBs0lut30:

here, its the third bullet under the Caveats http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/VDPAU

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aBs0lut30:

looks like I am remembering it wrong, cause it looks like it just breaks all the headers...

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justinh:

in all probability there are still some stream types which break vdpau.. but that's cos it's beta

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DavidFreeman:

?help

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justinh:

?que

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directhex:

damn, i meant to pick up an hdmi cable today

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sid3windr:

hd am I

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khunt:

http://pastebin.ca/1307262 does any one know what this problem is

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gbee:

Vote – http://lifehacker.com/5128408/six-best-dvr-applications

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justinh:

saw that already. people cite XBMC in there. And boxee. And they're not even DVR apps

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directhex:

how OLD is that screeny? :o

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justinh:

older than the current Blue theme.. and that is OLD

[15:09:34]

justinh:

oh christ. where the ***k do people drag these up from?!

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justinh:

hmmm. i want to make mythtv look really bad against these windows apps...

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justinh:

and Tivo is not an app!

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justinh:

surprised though.. mythtv is 2nd to MCE. not a bad score so far

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Chutt:

that's the very first menu screen that had a theme, btw.

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Similian1:

haha

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Similian1:

myth tv is second

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justinh:

I think it'd be a different story if it was just about 'media center software' though. there are a lot of xbmc & boxee fanboys out there

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justinh:

not that the world of OSS is a popularity contest

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Similian:

are you a xbmc fanboy

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justinh:

nope

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justinh:

especially since I still can't get the current version to even RUN on my laptop :)

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Similian:

trunk

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justinh:

I CBA to compile something I only want to steal ideas from

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Similian:

hahahaha

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Similian:

nice one

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Similian:

this weekend i might try to get a wiimote working with my box

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jedi__:

boxee has better eye candy, really nice metadata fetching, but doesn't scale well and is not easily tweaked (like mythvideo)

[15:28:09]

jedi__:

I could see how some people might get "dazzled" by it and not bother with fine details.

[15:28:35]

jedi__:

somone on the mailing list is using it as a myth plugin.

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directhex:

jedi__, like tv support, in a dvr?

[15:30:15]

jedi__:

a good video jukebox can make a DVR obsolete.

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justinh:

jedi__: it can, if all you do is download & rip videos

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directhex:

and assuming you don't use bittorrent for everything?

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jedi__:

the price of cable pays for a lot of DVDs.

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justinh:

meh. anyway, you go use boxee, fanboy

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jedi__:

fight illiteracy; READ

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Similian:

?

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jedi__:

I don't use boxee as a DVD jukebox.

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** directhex makes mythbook, a pdf plugin... **

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jedi__:

...doesn't scale well, isn't easy to tweak so's you can add the things they missed.

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gumpert345:

hi Ive seen the PM3 HD skin for xbmc atlantis, I heard mythtv 0.22 is about to get some kind of facelift, does someone know whether it is going to look like xbmc or even better?

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directhex:

gumpert345, it's going to look like mythtv 0.22

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directhex:

gumpert345, what THAT looks like is down to the artists

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jedi__:

...not everyone is dissatisfied with the basic functional aspects of the non streaming parts of myth.

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gumpert345:

I honestly think the xbmc design is awesome, a movie playing in the background, while you are browsing the menu, quick response times, for example. I know the design will be up to the designer, but will 0.22 provide the right conditions for them to create something like that?

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directhex:

gumpert345, probably. more work needed for overlaying on top of playing video

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directhex:

gumpert345, or there was last time i checked

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justinh:

quick WHAT times in XBMC now? like f*** they are. Oh look at the blank screen between menu redraws. Man!

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GreyFoxx:

gumpert345: The new ui stuff really comes down to users making themes to take advantage of it

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justinh:

aaanyway. it's likely mythtv 0.22 will look different to 0.21 but whether you'll like it or not.. well.. frankly not many people will care :)

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GreyFoxx:

gumpert345: For example This is a mythui clone of one of the AEon screens : http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/mimic3.png

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GreyFoxx:

Just need themers to make the themes :)

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GreyFoxx:

And 0.22 will have anew more uptodate default

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gumpert345:

justinh I dont know what you are using, I use: kubuntu 8.10 xbmc 8.10 kde 4.1.85 nvidia 180.16 works very smooth. Btw no need to get insulted

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gumpert345:

GreyFoxx thanks a lot I really like the pic

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GreyFoxx:

http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/newtheme_vidbrowse.png http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/newtheme_watchrec4.png

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justinh:

sorry, you need qt4.4 or greater? what the... ?

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GreyFoxx:

Those last 2 are from the work in progress that will be the new default theme

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GreyFoxx:

justinh: as of Pauls latest commit I think

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GreyFoxx:

I need to update mine before I update my checkout :)

[15:54:49]

justinh:

I give up

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laga:

justinh: i bet there are backports in a PPA somewhere

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directhex:

i remember discussions of qt4 versions ages ago

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directhex:

wasn't there some general desire for 4.4, as it adds significant drawing features?

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justinh:

got qt4.. just which . version is it? hrm

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GreyFoxx:

directhex: Yeah, it just hadn't been decided on heh

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GreyFoxx:

I'm gonna grab whatever the latest qt4.4 is shortly

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justinh:

4.3.2. Bollocks

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GreyFoxx:

cause my compile is like 5 days old...ancient )

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justinh:

this is effing annoying

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gumpert345:

I heard, there will be vdpau support with 0.22 is that true?

[15:57:24]

directhex:

justinh, which os release are you on?

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justinh:

and all for the html stuff. yay :-\

[15:58:03]

justinh:

directhex: gutsy, cos ibex was a PoS on my laptop

[15:58:30]

directhex:

justinh, support for gutsy disappears in 3 months tho

[15:59:06]

justinh:

I'm starting to despite ubuntu for its stupidly short release cycles

[15:59:19]

directhex:

so stick on a long-term release

[15:59:31]

directhex:

you moan at people who create their own problems, but you're just as bad

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justinh:

whatever

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GreyFoxx:

gumpert345: It's in trunk now. So 0.22 will contain it.

[16:00:03]

justinh:

is qt4.4 even available in main repos?

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GreyFoxx:

Not sure about how stable and so on, but it works well for me except fora few files

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GreyFoxx:

justinh: supposedly it is

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justinh:

whoah. apparently it's available for gutsy even

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directhex:

justinh, yes.

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justinh:

just not to my laptop.. hrm

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GreyFoxx:

I've also had a machine using the VDPAU renderer for output but still software decoding and it looks amazing with no glitches

[16:01:17]

directhex:

justinh, 8.04 has 4.4.0 in the hardy-backports repo, and will be surppoeted until mid 2013.

[16:01:30]

GreyFoxx:

And it's nice having a fullscreen OSD even with SD material :)

[16:01:38]

laga:

directhex: on the desktop or on the server??

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justinh:

I think hardy was rubbish on my laptop too though :(

[16:01:48]

directhex:

laga, server ;)

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directhex:

2011 for desktop

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laga:

directhex: ;)

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laga:

good enough for me..

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justinh:

I'll try a dist-upgrade tonight. if it breaks, no more dev work on the laptop. ever

[16:02:28]

laga:

hardy works well, except for the occasional crash when using 3d accel...

[16:02:46]

directhex:

laga, crashes shouldn't be acceptable

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GreyFoxx:

ftp://ftp.trolltech.no/qt/source/qt-x11-opens . . . 4.4.3.tar.gz

[16:03:22]

GreyFoxx:

oops, sorry accidental cut n paste

[16:03:55]

laga:

directhex: i CBA to debug it.

[16:04:14]

laga:

directhex: seriously, i'm sick and tired of doing the whole debug -> SRU thing

[16:04:26]

directhex:

laga, but sru paperwork is joy!

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justinh:

ah nuts to it

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gumpert345:

GreyFoxx this is getting better and better, is there an estimated release date? If not, can the prerelease version already be downloaded? Is it stable enough to play around a little?

[16:05:27]

Similian:

ists cba like a superstore around the corner?

[16:05:39]

justinh:

can't be assed

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justinh:

as in can't be bothered

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** justinh wonders how long qt4.4 would take to compile with everything enabled **

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GreyFoxx:

gumpert345: You can do a checkout from the svn server at anytime :) for my uses it's overal pretty stable

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GreyFoxx:

\No officially set date yet though

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justinh:

damned if I do, damned if I don't

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gumpert345:

GreyFoxx a guess?

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justinh:

directhex: this is a case of being burned simply by NOT upgrading just for the hell of it :)

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GreyFoxx:

hmmmm a guess? 2–4 months

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GreyFoxx:

just aguess though as we haven't really discussed it

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gumpert345:

thx

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GreyFoxx:

and need a feature freeze and so on

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justinh:

well, the sooner I get home, the sooner I can start off the dist-upgrade. Oh the joys of ubuntu, how I love it so :)

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directhex:

justinh, don't just use dist-upgrade, it's incomplete when it comes to cleanup. if you want a terminal, use "do-release-upgrade"

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directhex:

generally, system/administration/software sources, updates tab, set it to only show LTS releases

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justinh:

think I'll just download a disc & use that to wipe the machine

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justinh:

got an 8.04 ISO here... wassat

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justinh:

hrm. doesn't say LTS

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justinh:

bah. It's only bandwidth

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directhex:

8.04 IS lts

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directhex:

there's no non-lts version

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justinh:

it better work with my wireless then :)

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justinh:

right. hometime. I have a laptop to break

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jedi__:

has anyone done anything with the USB cablecard device from ATI?

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jedi__:

...don't figure anyone has but you never know...

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iamlindoro:

Cablecard is unusable in the context of linux/myth

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iamlindoro:

It's not (as most people think) a matter of writing drivers for it

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iamlindoro:

it's the fact that recordings produced with cablecard need to be DRMed and that the recordings are *forever* leashed that *that particular cablecard*, meaning to play a recording it needs to be able to authenticate with the device, and yadda yadda yadda so on and so forth, all things we'll never see in myth

[16:38:14]

iamlindoro:

Plus the tuner itself hardware encrypts the content before spitting it out, so without a licensed, approved path to decrypt for playback... you're sunk.

[16:38:38]

** directhex approves r524625 on SLES11 **

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gumpert345:

I thought about a Sempron 64 LE-1200 and a 8300 igp mainboard for blu ray playback, is this possible?

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iamlindoro:

only if by "playback" you mean "decrypting on a windows box, copying via network, and playing in mythvideo from the hard drive"

[16:41:22]

gumpert345:

and what cpu would be needed to decrypt blu rays on the fly?

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iamlindoro:

You can't get there from here

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iamlindoro:

eg linux decryption of blu-ray is only *barely* starting to climb out of the muck, you can't play much of anything off the disk yet

[16:42:33]

iamlindoro:

and exactly 0% of current releases

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gumpert345:

I think I stay with the LE-1200 and my fileserver

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kevinle:

is there a way to view the wwitv.com streams in mythtv in full screen?

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GreyFoxx:

I'd never heard of that one before :)

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kevinle:

well

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kevinle:

its just a small box

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kevinle:

on the screen

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kevinle:

play button

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kevinle:

let me try that lol

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iamlindoro:

They're mms or rtsp streams last I checked them

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iamlindoro:

at least some of them

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iamlindoro:

Some of the others are *shudder* wmv streaming

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kevinle:

nope

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kevinle:

yeah but they got these asian channels that i like to watch, but its not full screen

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iamlindoro:

nope what?

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kevinle:

nope, the play button just pauses the video, not make it full screen

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kevinle:

iamlindoro: all my channels are unlocked from my stb

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iamlindoro:

ok

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kevinle:

but the only weird part is channel changing

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kevinle:

if i change channels via the stb box remote it works fine, if myth changes it doesnt work

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iamlindoro:

*shrug* Hm.. Works for me (tm)

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kevinle:

locks up the signal from the stb to the myth box

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kevinle:

so i am going to get an irblaster and use the infared thing

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squish102:

does anyone know if there is a myth recordings to zune script?

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iamlindoro:

How dare you, sir

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dustybin:

_o/

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darkdrgn2k3:

hey is there any way to speed up mysql.. it seems myth is a little slow because of it

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dustybin:

darkdrgn2k3: it might be the other way round

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darkdrgn2k3:

dustybin: no i think its mysql

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darkdrgn2k3:

dustybin: i tried running a query against the db mysqlf,,

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iamlindoro:

never mind him, he has no idea what he's talking about

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darkdrgn2k3:

?

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iamlindoro:

There is, IIRC, some info in the docs or wiki about optimizing Mysql

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darkdrgn2k3:

i guess my question is in your experiance does it acutaly make a differnce?

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darkdrgn2k3:

or is yuor mysql fast

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iamlindoro:

Fast enough that I never notice it being slow :)

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darkdrgn2k3:

hmm how many channels?

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iamlindoro:

4–500 or so

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darkdrgn2k3:

hmmm why is mine being so

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darkdrgn2k3:

"dii dii diiii"

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iamlindoro:

Might want to start simple, like running the myth_optimizedb.pl script

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dustybin:

darkdrgn2k3: what distro and what version of mysql?

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iamlindoro:

(or whatever it's called this week)

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iamlindoro:

optimize_mythdb.pl

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iamlindoro:

That's it

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darkdrgn2k3:

dustybin: fedora + svn fixes

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dustybin:

mysql server 5 ?

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iamlindoro:

dustybin: Why are you still talking?

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iamlindoro:

darkdrgn2k3: Also see: http://www.debuntu.org/2006/07/21/75-how-to-o . . . esponse-time

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iamlindoro:

darkdrgn2k3: Which is not distro-specific even though it looks like it

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darkdrgn2k3:

LMAO @ iamlindoro

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iamlindoro:

That guy drives me crazy

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darkdrgn2k3:

lol at least he tries

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darkdrgn2k3:

1/2 sane questions..

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darkdrgn2k3:

even if irrelivent

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darkdrgn2k3:

could be worst :-P

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darkdrgn2k3:

thanx for the link.. looks interesting

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iamlindoro:

It's like the special olympics

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darkdrgn2k3:

and i take it optimize_mythdb.pl is just mysql repair/optimize commands right

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iamlindoro:

right

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quicksilver:

darkdrgn2k3: how slow is slow, out of interest?

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** quicksilver has been running myth for a couple of years with 50-ish channels and not noticed any slow queries. **

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unimaginative_:

Can anyone offer suggestions why I can't watch TV on this tuner? – http://rafb.net/p/Z1LAQT79.html

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afm:

anyone know if the libraw1394 v2.0 drivers fix the issue (not stated) on the wiki of v1.3.0-BROKEN

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wagnerrp:

unimaginative_: file permission issue?

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whoDat:

the hd-5500 sure is finicky. lost sound for some reason.

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unimaginative_:

wagnerrp: shouldn't be, but I'm not ruling anything out :)

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unimaginative_:

drwxr-xr-x 9 mythtv root 8.8K Jan 13 12:14 recordings

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wagnerrp:

the 5500 cannot lose sound

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wagnerrp:

there is no sound, there is no video, just data

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wagnerrp:

if you have video, you have audio

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whoDat:

tell my tv speakers that ;) lol

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iamlindoro:

Generally implies PEBKAC

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wagnerrp:

unless you have some ill conceived notion that using the onboard framegrabber is a good idea

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whoDat:

when it was working before, i had a /dev/dsp and a /dev/dsp1 .. and i had to select the dsp1 to get sound in the backend settings for the card. now, after i reinstalled, i no longer have a dsp1.

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whoDat:

i am using the card for NTSC analog

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iamlindoro:

oof, whyoWHY do people use nice digital cards for analog capture

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whoDat:

using v4l driver

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Paladine:

is there a way to make mythfilldatabase play a little bit nicer? I have been running mythfilldatabase --manual for hours and my system load is 2.4

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whoDat:

iamlindoro: cause i have it. thats the only reaon really. ;)

[18:25:16]

iamlindoro:

Paladine: Nope, that's why it's generally run in the wee small hours of the morning

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wagnerrp:

Paladine: mythfilldatabase should only run for a couple minutes per day, and then it should automatically run late at night when you dont care anyway

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iamlindoro:

(although if it's taking hours there's a very good chance something is wrong)

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Paladine:

wagner – this is the first time it has been run (just setting up)

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wagnerrp:

a full fresh run shouldnt take more than 15 or 20 minutes

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Paladine:

it had to populate the data with about 100 channels

[18:26:21]

wagnerrp:

ive got somewhere in the 80s

[18:26:24]

Paladine:

and 29000 broadcasts

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Paladine:

and I had to enter all the channel info manually (Sky)

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wagnerrp:

my database has some 34000 programs currently

[18:27:06]

iamlindoro:

I've got 400 or so channels and a full run doesn't take *near* hours

[18:27:10]

Paladine:

and it is a 1GHz Crusoe CPU

[18:27:12]

wagnerrp:

of course all my knowledge is based off schedules direct

[18:27:25]

Paladine:

istalling mythbackend on a thin client

[18:27:26]

wagnerrp:

i have no knowledge of xmltv grabbers

[18:27:41]

wagnerrp:

or low capability transmeta chips

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Paladine:

I now have to go through the entire database again and set all the frequency IDs to the channel number so I can use Dusky Control

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Paladine:

yay it finished

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jedi__:

30K rows is NOTHING in terms of a proper database

[18:38:42]

jedi__:

even the default settings for mysql shouldn't cause mythfilldatabase to run for hours.

[18:44:18]

Paladine:

ok how do we get mythTV Player to work with version 0.4?

[18:44:39]

wagnerrp:

revision 0.4?

[18:44:42]

Paladine:

it wants protocol 15–31 current mythtv protocol is 40

[18:44:56]

wagnerrp:

update mythtv

[18:45:07]

Paladine:

erm re-read what I just said

[18:45:07]

wagnerrp:

frontend and backend need to be the same revision

[18:45:20]

Paladine:

this is not frontend this is MythTV player (the windows app)

[18:45:20]

wagnerrp:

oh, dump mythtv player

[18:45:30]

wagnerrp:

if its not the same revision, it wont work

[18:45:41]

wagnerrp:

and no one is updating mythtv player to keep it current

[18:46:01]

Paladine:

so what other options for playing recordings on windows?

[18:46:24]

wagnerrp:

i use mythrename.pl to link recordings to a folder with meaningful names

[18:46:32]

wagnerrp:

and then just share the folder over samba

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wagnerrp:

if you have Vista, you can use the upnp support in windows media player

[18:47:09]

wagnerrp:

if you have nero, you can do the same thing in their showtime

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justinh:

showtime crashy

[18:47:38]

justinh:

good job I gots it fer free with a doovde writer

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wagnerrp:

you can grab video streams though mythweb

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kormoc:

watch via the flash player...

[18:48:23]

wagnerrp:

justinh: the full version? i got a copy of nero with a dvdr, but it was just the burning wizard

[18:48:44]

wagnerrp:

burning wizard is the sux

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justinh:

wagnerrp: came with showtime.. no jiggery pokery

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Paladine:

I don't think streaming flash is going to be viable on my backend hardware

[18:50:06]

kormoc:

p3?

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iamlindoro:

So get better backend hardware

[18:50:12]

Paladine:

crusoe

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wagnerrp:

worse, transmeta

[18:50:24]

justinh:

heck even my crappy.. woah that IS crap

[18:50:28]

iamlindoro:

So *he's* the one guy who bought from Transmeta

[18:50:28]

justinh:

heh.

[18:50:40]

justinh:

but hey at least you're saving the planet

[18:50:41]

Paladine:

iamlindoro if you have nothing sensible to say why bother typing?

[18:51:02]

iamlindoro:

I guess sensible is defined entirely by perspective

[18:51:04]

kormoc:

Paladine, why bother to respond if you don't care?

[18:51:07]

wagnerrp:

that whole lack of CPU frontend causes a detriment to performance

[18:51:07]

Paladine:

the whole point of using the hardware is to experiment with low power hardware

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justinh:

Paladine: but folks are on the right track.. your best bet is probably over upnp

[18:51:21]

Paladine:

it is not my frontend

[18:51:23]

Paladine:

just my backend

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Paladine:

again read

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wagnerrp:

actually, the best bet is probably mythrename.pl

[18:51:48]

wagnerrp:

simple to implement, simple to use

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iamlindoro:

I'd say that experiment yielded the expected result-- a crusoe processor is not up to task of being a MBE in any sort of decent-use scenario

[18:51:58]

wagnerrp:

just set it up to run on the half-hour with a cron job

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Paladine:

iamlindoroactually it is working fine as a backend it is currently recording with no issues

[18:52:25]

iamlindoro:

Now, the upcoming nvidia ion boxes.. those have promise

[18:52:28]

justinh:

wagnerrp: so long as you can play the file in windows yes :)

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kormoc:

Mmm... Ion....

[18:52:41]

iamlindoro:

Paladine: Most of us expect our backends to do far more than just record

[18:52:50]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, I'm so hopping that's what apple's been waiting for for the minis

[18:53:01]

Paladine:

I don't, I set it up specifically to "just record"

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wagnerrp:

justinh: well it assumes you have cards that output mpegs, and considering his backend is a crusoe, its a fair assumption

[18:53:11]

iamlindoro:

kormoc: That would be neat (and the price point they mentioned was right in the Mini spot)

[18:53:23]

iamlindoro:

kormoc: Looking at the mobo it could be *really* "mini"

[18:53:29]

Paladine:

and yes I have a pvr150 so the output is mpeg

[18:53:32]

kormoc:

yeah, really

[18:53:33]

iamlindoro:

like... really REALLY mini

[18:53:52]

justinh:

whoah. That ion.. makes nano look big

[18:54:09]

justinh:

nano itx that is

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kormoc:

pico itx!

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Paladine:

I presume I need to convert from nuv to view them in windows?

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justinh:

Paladine: nuv? what? pvr cards record mpeg2 I thought

[18:55:18]

wagnerrp:

the dsmyth filters include nuv filters

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iamlindoro:

If you're ending up with NUVs you've got something misconfigured

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justinh:

or you're transcoding

[18:55:35]

Paladine:

yeah it does but myth is saving them as nuv

[18:55:36]

kormoc:

or a very old version of myth

[18:55:40]

justinh:

blimey

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Paladine:

I must have messed up one of the setup settings for codecs

[18:55:46]

justinh:

mythtv 0.19?

[18:55:54]

Paladine:

latest mythbuntu

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Paladine:

0.21

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iamlindoro:

Then yes, misconfigured

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iamlindoro:

You shouldn't have NUVs, you should have MPGs

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justinh:

wildly misconfigured

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wagnerrp:

unless youre transcoding

[18:56:36]

wagnerrp:

or somehow using the framegrabber on the 150

[18:56:38]

Paladine:

it has been a very long time since I configured mythtv

[18:56:41]

Paladine:

like 2 years or more

[18:57:02]

iamlindoro:

How did you manage to install .21/latest mythbuntu without configuring in the last two years?

[18:57:12]

Paladine:

where do I change the codecs in mythtv-setup?

[18:57:20]

iamlindoro:

you don't

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justinh:

it's about tuner type, not codecs

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Paladine:

iamlindoro, I used to run mythtv on different hardware 2 years ago

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Paladine:

this is the first time I have set it up for about 2 years

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Paladine:

as in this is a new install

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justinh:

I have to ask.. are you just assuming they're nuv files?

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justinh:

gawd I don't say this very often but I WANT ONE OF THOSE (Nvidia Ion platform hardware)

[19:00:21]

wagnerrp:

thats the general consensus

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justinh:

hmm. pop some usb tuners in a STB sized case, with a 1TB disk or so.. and umm.. yes. quite.

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justinh:

btw.. with viddypow does timestretching go out of the window?

[19:03:41]

justinh:

I just _know_ there has to be a downside somewhere

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wagnerrp:

ive not actually tried, but since it can smoothly render at 3x, i imagine it could do the same at 1.1x

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justinh:

ok, so there's not really a downside apart from the fact it'll only work on nvidia kit.. which let's face it ain't really a downside :)

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justinh:

well, time to attempt to upgrade my laptop so I can install qt4.4

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iamlindoro:

taking a run at the beta of 4.5 to see just how much effort is required to use it

[19:10:16]

iamlindoro:

I have a feeling my poor test box will be hard at working compiling it for a lonnnnnggggg time

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kormoc:

what is this beta 4.5?

[19:10:23]

iamlindoro:

kormoc: hang on, will get you a link

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: http://www.qtsoftware.com/developer/preview-qt-4.5

[19:10:38]

clever:

iamlindoro: yeah, qt4 took days and days to compile

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kormoc:

ahh!

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clever:

turns out debug mode was on by default, 1gig debug libs....

[19:10:55]

kormoc:

And here I thought qt 4.5 was out for awhile in alphas

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: This is, I blieve, beta 1

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iamlindoro:

clever: Debug off by default here

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clever:

good

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: The date on the docs for it indicated 1-10–09 for this, I think you're right about the alphas stretching back a ways though

[19:13:51]

iamlindoro:

I know I'm asking for trouble by playing with it, sigh

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asmussen:

Anybody happen to know what the current recommended version of the hd-pvr firmware that is best to use with the linux hd-pvr driver/mythtv?

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stoth:

asmussen: The very latest

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jpurdy:

Afternoon, folks

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sphery:

Any Gentoo users around who want to fix their MythTV DB (something they'll have to do before upgrading to 0.22)?

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jpurdy:

I'm trying to figure out how to record HDTV from an STB

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sphery:

jpurdy: firewire or HD-PVR

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jpurdy:

Will those get me around the encrypted channels?

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sphery:

nope

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wagnerrp:

jpurdy: depends

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jpurdy:

That's what I'm looking for

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sphery:

HD-PVR will allow you to record anything that your STB will output without encryption

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sphery:

i.e. anything it will output over Component

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wagnerrp:

often times channels with encrypted QAM, will not be 5c encrypted

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wagnerrp:

and as such, can be recorded over firewire

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sphery:

basically, with firewire, you can record any channel that's output unencrypted over firewire and with HD-PVR you can record any channel that's output over component. Which channels those are depends on your provider.

[19:49:26]

jpurdy:

Awesome – sounds good.

[19:50:07]

jpurdy:

Ooh, $200

[19:50:29]

wagnerrp:

well in the us, that should be all channels (are output over component)

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wagnerrp:

however at least in the UK, cablecos have started to disable component output

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wagnerrp:

we cant have the users getting their hands on our preciousssss contentsssssss....

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jpurdy:

For now, I think I'll go with firewire – just have to figure out how to make myth record via firewire for the channels that work, and via my pvr-150 for those that don't

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iamlindoro:

Yarrrrrr, Comedy Central HD launches today on... wait for it... cablevision, ugh

[19:52:43]

wagnerrp:

jpurdy: thats the hard part about firewire

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wagnerrp:

its not functional channel to channel, but rather show to show

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iamlindoro:

Ah, but without Daily Show and Colbert in HD it's still useless, oh well

[19:53:07]

jpurdy:

Oh, for real?

[19:53:09]

jpurdy:

Suck.

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mchou:

jpurdy: firewire is fine

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jpurdy:

Of course, I should be able to work out which shows are which, and set the appropriate recording method in its profile

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wagnerrp:

basically, its free, so go ahead and try it before dropping $200 on an HDPVR

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mchou:

jpurdy: wagnerrp is a naddering nabbob of negativity when it comes to STBs

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wagnerrp:

what are you talking about?

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wagnerrp:

i have nothing against STBs, i just have no use for one

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mchou:

jpurdy: depending on where you live and who your local cableco is you may actually get channels unencypted. Just dont rely on it

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jpurdy:

wagnerrp: why no use for an STB?

[19:55:19]

wagnerrp:

i dont have digital cable

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mchou:

jpurdy: there you go. That makes wagnerrp an "authority"

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jpurdy:

Do you go all OTA?

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wagnerrp:

i know nothing about setting up firewire, but i do know some of the 'gotchas' for different input formats

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stoth:

firewire works well

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wagnerrp:

OTA (actually broadcast channels over clear QAM), and analog cable

[19:57:08]

stoth:

or, well enough for me.

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mchou:

jpurdy: seriously, just get an STB. if it doesnt work out return it. you're out $5.

[19:57:40]

jpurdy:

Well, cool – I'm headed out to my local TWC store to get a firewire capable box, so I'll be back around sometime later

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mchou:

jpurdy: it's really a simple enough test

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jpurdy:

thanks for the help!

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wagnerrp:

if you already have an STB, one with firewire outputs should be available at no extra cost

[19:57:54]

wagnerrp:

just some of your free time

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jpurdy:

yup

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jpurdy:

I'm trading out for firewire because I got sick of fighting with lirc

[19:58:23]

jpurdy:

the added capture ability is just a bonus

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jpurdy:

later, folks

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mchou:

jpurdy: if they have it, get a dct6200 if you can

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justinh:

mmmmkay, so here I go through the rigmarole of getting trunk working on my laptop again

[20:09:53]

justinh:

arghhh qt4.3.x again

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iamlindoro:

justinh: Could just up to Intrepid and have 4.4

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justinh:

couldn't get wireless to work in Ibex :(

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iamlindoro:

ahh

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justinh:

set my repo to allow hardy backports.. now I have qt4.4 :)

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** iamlindoro watches more qt4.5-y-compile-y bits scroll by **

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justinh:

system restart required.. wth? better do as it says. never disobey the heron

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wagnerrp:

after all, it is hardy

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sphery:

Any Gentoo user who wants to help me/help themself? I need someone to test instructions for a DB corruption fix (that most Gentoo users will have to do before they upgrade to 0.22/trunk). http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Fixing_C . . . ase_Encoding (And it will /not/ break your system or your DB even if it doesn't work--and the whole reason I want to get someone to do it while I'm here is so I can interactively help ...

[20:26:08]

sphery:

... fix any issues.)

[20:27:25]

wagnerrp:

i would help, but my database does not live on gentoo

[20:27:36]

mchou:

gentoo is still alive?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: oh, then your mysql is probably correctly configured. Thanks, anyway.

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sphery:

Hmmm... I may just have to hack someone's Gentoo box so I can shell in and fix a broken system myself. :)

[20:31:35]

wagnerrp:

can always build a VM

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sphery:

I figured it would be a /lot/ easier for someone who knows Gentoo to try it out.

[20:32:42]

wagnerrp:

of course i would imagine building a machine from scratch on an emulated/translated processor would take a fair bit of time

[20:32:43]

sphery:

plus, my DB isn't corrupt, and--though I can corrupt it--without an "in-the-field" corrupted DB, I'm just doing the same tests I've already done.

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iamlindoro:

sphery: We've got people in here convinced they can do that with ethtool and wireshark

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sphery:

what's that? hack a system to get ssh access?

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wagnerrp:

i changed the WOL settings on my NIC... im a haxxor!

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iamlindoro:

sphery: So you can turn to one of our COUGHCOUGHCOUGHCOUGH "security experts" *HAHAHAAHWHEEEEEEEEZE*

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iamlindoro:

sphery: yep

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sphery:

hmmm

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thefront is now known as thefRont

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sphery:

I'd think it would take ethtool + wireshark + a whole lot of very fast processors

[20:34:55]

wagnerrp:

going for the brute force approach?

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sphery:

(aren't they generally sold in lots of 10K CPU's? If so, it may actually take a bunch of lots)

[20:35:21]

sphery:

wagnerrp: do you know of another approach?

[20:35:58]

wagnerrp:

i saw an SSH hack in the second matrix

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wagnerrp:

movies dont lie

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sphery:

yeah, and don't get me started on the whole ssh as root thing from that movie

[20:36:51]

sphery:

PermitRootLogin no

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wagnerrp:

yeah, im still amazed linux systems allow root login by default

[20:37:02]

wagnerrp:

thats one of the first things i change when reinstalling a system

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sphery:

I allow root login, but not via ssh (and really only to allow ksu)

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i mean via ssh

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sphery:

I wonder why the default in OpenSSH is "PermitRootLogin yes" considering how everyone says *BSD is "built upon the principles of security"

[20:38:31]

sphery:

oh, so we're saying that same thing

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wagnerrp:

well my fbsd systems default to not permitting it

[20:39:03]

wagnerrp:

dont know about obsd or nbsd

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sphery:

wonder if it's just the portable versions of OpenSSH that have yes as a default

[20:39:32]

sphery:

or maybe your fbsd system just has an appropriate /etc/sshd/sshd_config

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mchou:

it has nothing to do with ssh

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mchou:

your distro decides what the default is

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sphery:

by configuring it

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sphery:

however, there's a built in default if you do not specify PermitRootLogin in /etc/sshd/sshd_config

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sphery:

wanna see the code

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mchou:

and most distros permit root over ssh so they wont have to deal with users "howcome it wont let me ssh root?"

[20:41:16]

wagnerrp:

well thats certainly a good reason....

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sphery:

yeah, I'll give you that one... Good security is one thing. Educating users about good security is a /lot/ more difficult.

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wagnerrp:

they expect users to have good passwords too?

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sphery:

my passwords (both root and my user) are the same as the combination on my briefcase--which I got from Spaceballs, so I know it's good (after all, if it's good enough to use for the air shield)

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iamlindoro:

0n3 7W0 7HR33 F0UR F1V3!

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iamlindoro:

like teh hackers do!

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sphery:

iamlindoro: great, now I have to change it...

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doc__:

hi there

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sphery:

what's up doc__ ?

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doc__:

nah.... waiting for house on tv :)

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iamlindoro:

http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/01/08/echostar . . . ong-live-th/

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iamlindoro:

Worst. Idea. EVER

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sphery:

agreed

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sphery:

they have a cursor on screen, now?

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wagnerrp:

not to mention its a fugly remote

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iamlindoro:

Sort of-- they bring up on onscreen number pad

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iamlindoro:

at which point you wonder.. if it takes you four times as long to select a number, what in the world do you gain?

[20:55:41]

wagnerrp:

doesnt that also mean its no longer an IR remote?

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sphery:

free advertising

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shadash:

how do blind people work it?

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jackson__:

...just like the Wheel Book, everything you need it only a few hundred clicks away.

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sphery:

same way they use all these Flash-based web sites

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wagnerrp:

i cant imagine you could accurately transmit touchpad data over standard IR

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wagnerrp:

although it does have the standard window on the front

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iamlindoro:

"Hey Lurleen, lookit the teevee! Them iPods got one o' them thar TOUCH screens! What we got what kin have a touch screen?" "The ree-mote!" "Good thinkin'!"

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wagnerrp:

no, 2-way RF

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wagnerrp:

meaning you cannot use anyone else's remote

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wagnerrp:

you MUST use the dish remote

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wagnerrp:

theres a good plan...

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jackson__:

why does that mean you can't use another remote?

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jackson__:

the recievers may still incorporate an ir receiver.

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shadash:

welcome to dish network we've taken the liberty of making your remote harder to use. This should increase your viewing expereince.

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** iamlindoro wonders why he let Qt compile alllllll the example apps **

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shadash:

I was working with a small isp/cable provider/hosting company a couple of months ago. And they were looking for the most simple remotes they could find for their older subscribers

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shadash:

The old people wanted an on, off, channel up, channel, down, and volume control buttons. Thats it.

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shadash:

and they were getting tired of supporting them

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justinh:

ooo look, their UI is glossy. Ish

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sphery:

9 out of 9 hunks FAILED --guess it's time to update that patch

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justinh:

ah. this might be why I failed to get wireless worky in Ibex. wireless no worky in this room. but it does in windows. grrr

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wagnerrp:

shadash: and a touchpad is certainly the right way to go with the technologically ignorant

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justinh:

wonder why the signal level varies so much between drivers

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iamlindoro:

justinh: For the same reason GPU performance varies so much between drivers :)

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justinh:

meh

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justinh:

first build failure. missing libqt4-opengl-dev I hope

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justinh:

looks like it was :)

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justinh:

think I definitely need to update my backend sometime soon just so I'm ready for 0.22

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justinh:

tempted to just use my old desktop machine & just junk the old one

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sphery:

is "Guide selects worst tuner,remote selects best tune" guy in here?

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iamlindoro:

WTF is with people and their dickish subject lines???

[21:36:41]

iamlindoro:

"More hours of messing with mythtv yield zero result"

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, entitlement... oh how I hate it...

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_abbenormal:

lol

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: The xkcd "require all comments to be read back to user" is actually a brilliant idea

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_abbenormal:

iamlindoro, that sounds like me

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iamlindoro:

heh

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_abbenormal:

hours on myth tv and still no working setup cannt leave it alone it can be better

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iamlindoro:

http://xkcd.com/481/

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_abbenormal:

i know it can

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iamlindoro:

_abbenormal: Well we'd gladly help you if it's not working

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iamlindoro:

I've got some things in mind for my theme that might be nice, actually-- thinking about adding embedded links to help topics on a per-screen basis

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_abbenormal:

thanks its for me a big learning tool i have to figure it out and im so thick headed at times it takes a big hammer to drive things home lol

[21:43:15]

_abbenormal:

but you know i dont give up easy

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iamlindoro:

Admittedly back on my first myth box I had a devil of a time on it-- but perseverence definitely pays off

[21:44:19]

_abbenormal:

yes it does

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iamlindoro:

As I recall it I managed the myth part "okay" but LIRC gave me a devil of a time until it finally clicked one day

[21:46:29]

_abbenormal:

for me i want it for satellite and off air not into cable dont have it here as a choice

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iamlindoro:

Satellite works pretty well in myth, although I have a few things I'd like to put some effort into someday (auto-parsing lyngsat for scans would be nice)

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sphery:

iamlindoro: well, obviously if /I/ can't make Myth work after some hours, MythTV is broken because /I/ rate myself as "Technical Level: High"

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_abbenormal:

well ive had good luck scanning so thats not an issue its drivers for let say other dvb devices not fully up to date yet

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sphery:

(is what all those people seem to think)

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Think it has to do with all these extra bits

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iamlindoro:

well, Myth compiles with Qt 4.5 without trouble, that's good

[21:49:26]

meshe:

well of course it's not *my* fault

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iamlindoro:

backend running, too, so that's a good start

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sphery:

extra bits? you mean using trunk/backported-unstable-patches when they shouldn't be?

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iamlindoro:

sphery: I mean the extra 32 ;)

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meshe:

lol

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sphery:

iamlindoro: oh, yeah, on the video card... forgot about that

[21:52:02]

iamlindoro:

sphery: well why not, it was way back yesterday ;)

[21:52:36]

sphery:

EOUTOFMEMORY

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sphery:

which really would be ENOMEM

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iamlindoro:

Heh, I like Jeff Wormsley's response to the "Waahhhhh MythTV no WORK" thread

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Chicago:

How do I cause recordings to be moved into a different storage directory before they are transcoded?

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iamlindoro:

cp

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iamlindoro:

mv

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iamlindoro:

(and yes, I'm serious)

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Chicago:

iamlindoro: In a user defined job?

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iamlindoro:

yep. Myth is happy so long as they're in one of the storage groups, you can freely mv them around

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Chicago:

Okay

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Chicago:

The situation I have is that I dumped my old master backend as a master backend and now it's a slave backend to a new master.

[22:04:09]

Chicago:

I want my recordings in the storage directory on the master backend... but only after they have been encoded.

[22:04:26]

Chicago:

Usually I do autotranscoding-lossless and just keep the mpgs around.

[22:04:44]

Chicago:

I'd like to keep the functionality of autotranscoding...

[22:04:58]

Chicago:

If I want to move them before transcoding.... what do you recommend?

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wagnerrp:

i user job to move from one folder to the other

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wagnerrp:

*a

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iamlindoro:

^^ yep

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Chicago:

Turns out also... that in this new setup... the 100mbit network is insufficient for me.

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sphery:

Chicago: you can't move it from a directory on one host to a directory on another unless both have access to both directories

[22:06:07]

Chicago:

That link is too small for me to playback and copy the big files over the wire for transcoding at the same time.

[22:06:07]

sphery:

can only move from dir to dir if hostname doesn't change

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Chicago:

Today, I'll put another nic into the mix to fix that.

[22:06:28]

wagnerrp:

Chicago: it shouldnt be

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wagnerrp:

no recording will be more than 19mbps

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Chicago:

wagnerrp: When the slave backend begins to transfer the recording to the transcoding backend... it saturates my network.

[22:07:24]

Chicago:

It's not a complaint....

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Chicago:

Just that if some process is going to flood the network, then either I need a bigger better playback buffer on the 100mbit frontend or to have the shared filesystems working off another nic.

[22:08:10]

wagnerrp:

yeah, i didnt think about that

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wagnerrp:

no such thing as network priority

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wagnerrp:

i suppose you could kludge something together with iptables

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sphery:

QOS?

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wagnerrp:

prioritize traffic to certain nodes

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Chicago:

wagnerrp: I have some more options... The new master backend has dual gigabit nics.

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Chicago:

I have an old gig nic lying around... and if I put it into the slave backend and connect that directly to the second nic on the master backend... then I can do NFS over the gigabit link and have mythbackend stream using the 100mbit IP.

[22:10:35]

Chicago:

(because I have mythfrontend stream them from the backend rather than reading them from the filesystem directly)

[22:10:40]

wagnerrp:

do you have a gigabit switch?

[22:10:42]

Chicago:

I think the playback is more smooth.

[22:10:43]

Chicago:

Not yet.

[22:10:50]

Chicago:

I'm going to get a HP procurve next month.

[22:11:41]

wagnerrp:

well gigabit on the file server, and 10/100 on the clients, would fix everything

[22:11:55]

wagnerrp:

assuming your server can handle the load of multiple clients

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Chicago:

wagnerrp: Better be.... it's a new quad core xeon w/ 8 gig of ram and a 133FSB.

[22:14:10]

Chicago:

1333

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wagnerrp:

got nothing to do with processor

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Chicago:

Hmm... I am interested in how this would work though.

[22:14:43]

Chicago:

Since the original recording host would be the slave backend...

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wagnerrp:

rather disk system, and memory cache

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Chicago:

if I move the file onto a native filesystem of the masterbackend

[22:15:05]

Chicago:

and want a frontend to watch a recording streaming it from the backend...

[22:15:35]

Chicago:

Then I might end up with a problem where the slave backend (original recording host) has to read the frames from the fileserver over the gig link in order to spit them back out to the frontend requesting them.

[22:15:40]

Chicago:

Do you understand the concern?

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wagnerrp:

well so long as you have the file systems mounted, there is no need for the video to get pushed through mythproto

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Chicago:

wagnerrp: The jury is still out here on that one... I get better results with the 180X fast-forward and rewind when the frontend doesn't need to read all the frames and instead has them streamed to it.

[22:21:51]

wagnerrp:

there is no difference, the data is still decoded on the frontend

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Chicago:

wagnerrp: I imagined that if I did a 180x fast forward with mythfrontend through an entire recording... .that mythfrontend would read all the frames of the recording from the fileserver...

[22:22:58]

wagnerrp:

thats the purpose of the seektable

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Chicago:

vs.... streaming it... mythfrontend wouldn't actually read 100% of the frames... thus less data going across that network...

[22:23:01]

Chicago:

wrong?

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wagnerrp:

it knows where the keyframes are, so it can just jump between them

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wagnerrp:

no need to grab all that data

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iamlindoro:

Igor has taken OVER the users list

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iamlindoro:

with new subject and thread when a suggestion made in the old thread failed

[22:34:29]

iamlindoro:

"Mythtv-setup is very secretive about what credentials it uses to access mysql, really secretive about what it is trying to do, fails to create database mythconverg, does not really say so either, and then says "could not connect to database mythconverg". (because it is not there, duh)."

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iamlindoro:

What a gem

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wagnerrp:

he also seems to be completely naive as to how mythtv works

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wagnerrp:

claiming something about a 'mythtv password'

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justinh:

easy to forget that noobs confuse mysql users with linux users

[22:35:49]

justinh:

we all think these are dead simple concepts to grasp NOW...

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kormoc:

myth is really secretive given it's open source nature

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kormoc:

justinh, sadly, it was never really hard for me, it really escapes me how it's that hard

[22:36:34]

justinh:

sadly no single howto I've ever seen gives a detailed explanation of what a user has to do and why they need to do it that way

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justinh:

kormoc: it was rock hard difficult for me for about one night, then pennies dropped

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justinh:

some distros try to make life easier for users but we've all seen how that can go pear-shaped

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wagnerrp:

they only issue i ever had with mythtv was ivtv

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justinh:

meta-packages & the like.. hiding real programs behind scripts & all..

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justinh:

it's all done with the best intent & generally must work – but when something goes wrong, oh boy

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justinh:

I still think making those info popups dismissable without a time delay in ubuntu was a mistake

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Chicago:

Mythcommflag can has multithreading?

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wagnerrp:

not that i am aware of

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Chicago:

didn't think so

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wagnerrp:

not that its really needed either

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kormoc:

Chicago, might want to lay off the lolcats a tad too

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laga:

justinh: actually, i think the toolkit we used for that (some gtk variant of xdialog) can't really do timeouts. or at least it couldn't back then

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justinh:

speaking of which, time to install mysql-client-5.0

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wagnerrp:

any dual core proc (except an atom) can handle comm flagging in real time for any content (except hdpvr, or maybe h264 dvb)

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justinh:

laga: just, you know how it is.. OK .. OK... OK... OK... OK ALREADY! OK... press, press press!

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laga:

hehe

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laga:

i actually mean a different kind of timeout

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wagnerrp:

and at least with an hdpvr, if you can play it, youre going to have an extra core available for commflagging

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justinh:

I mean the OK button not appearing for a good 20 seconds or so :)

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justinh:

make sure the buggers read it

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justinh:

that's virtually the only way you can go wrong unless you're genuinely thick

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justinh:

and er.. I have no desire to help the latter category

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justinh:

laga: have you guys ever done testing with random volunteers to see if there's anything you can pick up to make mythbuntu easier to install?

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laga:

i don't think so

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justinh:

be interesting to do that

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laga:

justinh: some of that stuff would need to happen in mythtv anyways..

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justinh:

yeah good point

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justinh:

then the man in the street will scratch a bald patch on his head trying to figure out what 'video sources' means

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Paladine:

k am home for my break and think I found the issue with it saving as NVU, I had it set as v4l in capture settings, just changed it to mpeg2 for pvr-x50

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justinh:

Paladine: how was it even working before now? that's what I find confusing

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Paladine:

it wasn't I just checked the recordings folder and they files were only 45k so it obviously bombed out straight after starting

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Paladine:

should work fine now

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justinh:

heh

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jedi__:

the man in the street has enough trouble getting his head around a pre-configured Tivo.

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justinh:

well, just have to re-import & mangle this database then I'll be good to pick up the dev baton again tomorrow. YAY

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Paladine:

I am thinking of running mythfrontend in virtualbox, it apparantly supports video now but I have never tried it – anyone had any success with a virtualbox guest mythfrontend yet?

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iamlindoro:

There isn't the slightest chance of that working for mythfrontend

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iamlindoro:

na' ganna' happen

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Paladine:

have you tried?

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iamlindoro:

Many have tried

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Paladine:

and how long ago was this?

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Paladine:

video support and hardware acceleration in virtualbox is farely new

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iamlindoro:

Paladine: You know what, do what you like

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iamlindoro:

I'll not bother you with details like every two days or so someone decides to try it

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Paladine:

does mythrename.pl work over samba when using the --link option?

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Paladine:

ok thats better it is recording as mpeg2 now and the file sizes are realistic :)

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Paladine:

load average during recording 0.3, 0.18, 0.09 :)

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Paladine:

I need to upgrade the RAM from 256MB to 512MB I think

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khunt:

it would be great if you could stop a frontend from watching livetv from mythweb

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khunt:

the x session on my main box is locked up but it is tying up a tuner

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DGMurdockIII:

is FM radio supported in mythtv?

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sphery:

DGMurdockIII: not really

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sphery:

DGMurdockIII: there used to be a plugin called MythFM which is probably the closest thing

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DGMurdockIII:

oh

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DGMurdockIII:

that the only reason i want to use mythtv

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jpabq:

I wonder what the chance is, that Tribune Media Services / Schedules Direct will have the guide updated by Thursday to represent the delayed start for all the shows that night?

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DGMurdockIII:

i hear Schedules Direct will be alot better by lat feb or early march

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GreyFoxx:

Define better :)

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jpabq:

Yeah. If xris, etc can pull it off, it will be very nice to have quicker updates when the schedules change suddenly.

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kormoc:

why would all the shows be delayed for a night?

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xris:

DGMurdockIII: not sure what you mean.. we don't have any specific plans for that time period.

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jpabq:

Our president has announce that he is going to give a farewell speech.

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xris:

but since I've only had a couple of "ok" responses to my request for help with the new system, I'm still sitting on a 12-month timeline to get the self-host stuff going.

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jpabq:

xris, I assume there is very little chance that TMS will get the guide updated before Thursday?

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kormoc:

it's more dependent on the stations in the area getting the data to TMS

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sphery:

iamlindoro: he's back with more: "Setting up mythtv password did no good"

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jpabq:

True..... So, that means there is not just little chance, not zero chance.

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jpabq:

s/not zero/but zero/

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** cesman wonders how long it will take to say 'goodbye' as that is _all_ he'd like to hear **

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xris:

jpabq: like kormoc said, TMS only moves as fast as the stations that they get their info from.

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xris:

we've been working with them to figure out how to be better about such things, but it's actually a problem with the TV industry as a whole and not something that can be easily fixed.

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jpabq:

Speech is scheduled start start at 8pm ET.

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jpabq:

So, it may not impact Mountain, or Pacific timezones.

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sphery:

and I have a ton of recordings on that night for it to mess up

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jpabq:

Me too

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iamlindoro_:

sphery, I had been responding to that thread, haven't seen latest bits though

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sphery:

oh, yeah... I just meant more of the wonderfully positive subject lines

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khunt:

is there a way to free up a locked tuner without restarting the backend process?

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GreyFoxx:

nope

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khunt:

bugger

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khunt:

i need more tuners

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