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| [00:13:04] | sid3windr: | hmm, upgraded my kernel to .28 |
| [00:13:15] | sid3windr: | now myth doesn't say "unable to handle tune complete" anymore on scanning my dvb-c |
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| [00:13:18] | sid3windr: | which is good |
| [00:13:24] | sid3windr: | still segfaults though, but differently :] |
| [00:15:04] | dw805: | I updated my nvidia driver to 180.22 (because the earlier version I was running seemed to hang with the latest centos kernels). Now when I watch video (live tv or pre-recorded) the first show plays fine. Every show thereafter has black video unless I shut down and restart frontend, then it can again play one program before going black. Has anyone else seen this? |
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| [00:16:07] | dw805: | (running 0.21 svn 19650 btw) |
| [00:16:32] | wagnerrp: | why bother with the beta drivers if youre running 0.21? |
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| [00:16:52] | Chutt: | .22's not a beta driver. |
| [00:17:09] | dw805: | yes I thought I downloaded stable nvidia, not beta |
| [00:17:17] | wagnerrp: | its not?, they released the 180 branch? |
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| [00:18:28] | janneg: | yes, vdpau is still alpha though |
| [00:20:06] | dw805: | I was running nvidia 100.14.19, which didn't have this problem, but with the last two centos 5.2 kernels the machine would lock up with 100.14.19, so I decided to try 180.22. |
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| [00:20:26] | wagnerrp: | what about 177? |
| [00:20:40] | wagnerrp: | or 173 |
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| [00:21:13] | dw805: | 169 and 173 had the same problem I am finding with 180 |
| [00:21:58] | dw805: | I guess I have to go back to centos 5.2 kernel 2.6.18–92.1.13 and stick with nvidia 100.14.19? |
| [00:22:33] | MythbuntuGuest64: | wagnerrp: you mentioned to me earlier that there was another method for having myth on one screen and a desktop on another – a way other than xinerama with my nvidia card. |
| [00:22:34] | sphery: | dw805: are you using OpenGL video rendering? if so, don't |
| [00:22:52] | dw805: | hmmm yes I think I am. Let me try turning that off! |
| [00:22:58] | sphery: | MythbuntuGuest64: my favorite approach is to have 2 computers--it works every time |
| [00:23:09] | wagnerrp: | MythbuntuGuest64: just disable xinerama, and use two independent X screens |
| [00:23:17] | sphery: | dw805: I'm not talking about the OpenGL Theme Painter... I'm talking about the OpenGL video renderer. |
| [00:23:31] | sphery: | dw805: and, the OpenGL video renderer isn't really ready for use |
| [00:23:59] | wagnerrp: | apparently some people on here have used twinview, i have no recent experience with it |
| [00:24:18] | sphery: | and I have a sneaking suspicion that with the sudden appearance of VDPAU, the OpenGL renderer isn't going to get much attention for a /long/ time |
| [00:24:56] | iamlindoro_: | hopefulyl the GL ThemePainter continues to get love, however |
| [00:25:15] | dw805: | you are talking about --enable-opengl-video on the configure command line? |
| [00:25:28] | directhex: | iamlindoro_, has anyone deleted pvr350 output nonsense yet? |
| [00:25:34] | iamlindoro_: | directhex, Sadly, no |
| [00:25:44] | iamlindoro_: | Watch the hairy hippies scream when it's done |
| [00:25:46] | directhex: | iamlindoro_, xbox stuff? |
| [00:25:50] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: and we could have the support IRC gadget log them in to #mythtv first... After all, think how boring #mythtv would be if all users automatically went to the correct channel for support... |
| [00:26:18] | directhex: | iamlindoro_, the haity hippies can break out fucking g++ and do it themselves. too much damn legacy in myth which nobody who cares maintains |
| [00:26:19] | iamlindoro_: | sphery, Yeah, upon further consideration it's not that great an idea as you can't "cut out" the support window |
| [00:26:34] | iamlindoro_: | sphery, Would be great if it could "float" over, but otherwise... |
| [00:26:53] | sphery: | directhex: not much gets deleted from Myth... We have amazingly large inertia in mythtv-users (which spills to the dev list when users don't like broken stuff disappearing :) |
| [00:27:23] | directhex: | sphery, you can only maintain things you use, though. which of the myth devs uses an xbox or a pvr350? |
| [00:27:27] | sphery: | so, let them play with their broken stuff |
| [00:27:28] | iamlindoro_: | I personally think it would be awesome to remove external player support *except* for player commands for single files |
| [00:27:40] | iamlindoro_: | That way it's still there, but STRONGLY discouraged |
| [00:28:01] | sphery: | directhex: yeah, it's not maintained--just enough to keep it compiling--but anyone who uses it isn't going to like it (at least the PVR-350 stuff) |
| [00:28:23] | wagnerrp: | 350s should be about ready to burn out shouldnt they? |
| [00:28:44] | sphery: | give it a few years... we might be over the top of the bell curve by now, though |
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| [00:29:06] | iamlindoro_: | Not that we don't *still* hear people interested in buying them |
| [00:29:14] | directhex: | sphery, core themes? bin the crap rather than maintaining vileness like iulius? |
| [00:29:21] | sphery: | yeah, on ebay--then they get the burned out ones, right? |
| [00:29:41] | iamlindoro_: | directhex, There's another thing, we may finally have enough momentum from enough people that there will be enough new ones that one can start to think about retiring old ones |
| [00:30:00] | wagnerrp: | well then well just get a bunch of 350 users that dont realize their hardware doesnt work anymore, regardless of software |
| [00:30:01] | sphery: | directhex: I'm all for killing all of the core themes (and just going with 1 or 2 new ones for 0.22), but I also am all for cutting out stuff and telling users, "Tough." |
| [00:30:16] | sphery: | (if 2, it's only because of 4:3 vs 16:9) |
| [00:30:35] | sphery: | wagnerrp: but that's still Myth's fault |
| [00:30:49] | directhex: | iamlindoro_, who's porting iulois to mythui? |
| [00:30:59] | ** iamlindoro_ hisses, bats his claws ** | |
| [00:31:06] | wagnerrp: | yeah, 'you guys burned up my decoder.... :('.... |
| [00:31:10] | iamlindoro_: | Sadly, they all function right now |
| [00:32:56] | sid3windr: | okay, there we go, dvb-c working in myth |
| [00:32:58] | iamlindoro_: | So I think I'll embed some of these google widgets in my theme, but that means coming up with an "easy" way of explaining to users how to change them... hmmm |
| [00:33:12] | dw805: | sphery: am recompiling without --enable-opengl options |
| [00:33:12] | sid3windr: | I hope the new channel scanner gets fixed because the old one really requires messing around in the db ;) |
| [00:33:33] | iamlindoro_: | sid3windr, If that's the case, then it's the provider that's giving broken NIT |
| [00:33:42] | iamlindoro_: | There's a bug open on it-- not Myth's fault |
| [00:33:52] | sid3windr: | what's NIT? |
| [00:33:54] | wagnerrp: | sid3windr: all ive ever had to do was manually set the XMLIDs |
| [00:33:56] | iamlindoro_: | (though probably will be worked around in the channel scanner branch, I would expect) |
| [00:34:16] | sid3windr: | iamlindoro_: it's inserting a multiplex, right after looking for a multiplex to go with the channel, but networkid and transportid are NULL |
| [00:34:18] | wagnerrp: | national invitational tournament? |
| [00:34:23] | iamlindoro_: | Network Information Table |
| [00:34:26] | sid3windr: | so it doesnt match the WHERE clause |
| [00:34:42] | sid3windr: | I set the correct values in the multiplex table and now it's adding channels :) |
| [00:34:50] | iamlindoro_: | search trac for DVB-C and NIT |
| [00:34:50] | sid3windr: | after it's finished scanning mythtv-setup still segfaults though |
| [00:34:57] | sid3windr: | but it's better than before I upgraded my kernel :D |
| [00:35:02] | sid3windr: | thanks for the pointer |
| [00:35:11] | iamlindoro_: | and read the whole ticket because there's lots of misinformation in the middle |
| [00:35:18] | sphery: | dw805: all the opengl stuff is fine, except --enable-xvmc-opengl (and if you compile with that, Myth should work as long as you don't actually /use/ it--i.e. change your video playback profile if required) |
| [00:35:33] | iamlindoro_: | but more or less it's national providers not changing certain elements of the stream to match what they should be for local headends |
| [00:37:26] | wagnerrp: | so they bugger their transport IDs, but then correct it with the proprietary data they feed to their STBs? |
| [00:37:29] | sid3windr: | btw, I also had the problem with dvb-t (similar but a little bit different) |
| [00:37:40] | sid3windr: | so I still partly blame the scanner :D |
| [00:37:54] | sid3windr: | did you mean ticket 3640 btw? "mythtv-setup stores incorrect transport frequencies (DVB-C)" |
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| [00:38:56] | sphery: | dw805: actually, I meant --enable-opengl-video but you probably don't want to use the other one, either (don't use OpenGL video or XvMC OpenGL) |
| [00:39:07] | sphery: | (copy/paste error) |
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| [00:43:23] | chinook86: | Could someone give me a hand with a dependency issue with compiling the latest source? |
| [00:43:44] | wagnerrp: | what source? |
| [00:43:54] | chinook86: | .22 |
| [00:44:00] | wagnerrp: | no such thing |
| [00:44:49] | sid3windr: | =) |
| [00:45:11] | iamlindoro_: | Not to mention if you can't compile trunk, absolutely SHOULD NOT be running it |
| [00:45:16] | iamlindoro_: | It *will break you* |
| [00:45:52] | sid3windr: | personally?! |
| [00:45:56] | wagnerrp: | and the standard byline... if you happen to have a revision that in fact does not compile, you should have checked the commit logs and know that it wouldnt compile |
| [00:46:14] | iamlindoro_: | sid3windr, Like Ivan Drago |
| [00:46:32] | wagnerrp: | i recognize that name from somewhere |
| [00:46:37] | iamlindoro_: | Rocky IV |
| [00:46:41] | iamlindoro_: | it's where the quote is from too |
| [00:46:49] | wagnerrp: | mad russian? |
| [00:47:06] | iamlindoro_: | yar |
| [00:47:12] | wagnerrp: | yep, dolph lundgren |
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| [01:02:26] | strex: | can anyone tell me what this might mean: "NVP: prebuffering pause". Mythfrontend locks up for a few seconds then this message is displayed, (but it comes back after 10sec or so).. |
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| [01:22:47] | MythbuntuGuest64: | well nvidia twinview (xinerama) doesn't cut it for me – any thoughts on how to get myth on X session 1 instead of 0 ? |
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| [01:23:33] | Dagmar: | Ahem... :1 |
| [01:24:01] | MythbuntuGuest64: | what – call myth:1 instead of _whatever_ ? |
| [01:24:30] | Dagmar: | What do you generally set the DISPLAY environment variable to... |
| [01:24:53] | iamlindoro_: | First you're gonna want to switch to your C drive |
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| [01:24:56] | MythbuntuGuest64: | to be honest I don't exactly, I ended up with a myth distro. |
| [01:24:57] | iamlindoro_: | Then run chkdsk |
| [01:25:05] | iamlindoro_: | then load myth into high memory |
| [01:25:10] | iamlindoro_: | lh mythtv |
| [01:25:11] | MythbuntuGuest64: | what – not rm ? :) |
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| [01:25:26] | iamlindoro_: | but only after putting device=emm386.exe in your config.sys |
| [01:25:40] | iamlindoro_: | sorry, that's device=himem.sys |
| [01:25:46] | MythbuntuGuest64: | wow, you remember those days too... ha ha |
| [01:25:50] | iamlindoro_: | then lh emm386.exe in your autoexec.bat |
| [01:26:02] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro___: Screw that. `memmaker.exe /batch2` |
| [01:26:06] | iamlindoro_: | then reboot on your boot floppy and you should be fine |
| [01:26:12] | Dagmar: | It'll "just do it" |
| [01:26:30] | iamlindoro_: | feh, anyone who thinks memmaker can "just do it" has never played an Origin game |
| [01:26:39] | iamlindoro_: | at which it is FAIL |
| [01:26:42] | Dagmar: | This is why you use the undocumented /batch2 |
| [01:26:57] | Dagmar: | It stops it asking you any silly questions. |
| [01:27:29] | MythbuntuGuest64: | well I'm hoping that not knowing something undocumented is not considered a silly question |
| [01:27:41] | Dagmar: | MythbuntuGuest64: DISPLAY is ostensibly set to localhost:0.0 |
| [01:27:51] | iamlindoro_: | *sigh*, it wouldn't be #mythtv-users if someone couldn't take a perfectly good joke and turn it into an excuse to wave their wang about |
| [01:27:53] | Dagmar: | At least, that's basically the default it uses when it's unset. |
| [01:28:08] | MythbuntuGuest64: | yeah but doesn't myth take a parameter in the settings? |
| [01:28:09] | Dagmar: | You can likely figure out which bit of it needs to be changed with a teensy bit of experimenting. |
| [01:28:35] | MythbuntuGuest64: | I understand it will need to be something like 1:0 or 0:1, depending but: |
| [01:28:53] | Dagmar: | No, it'll still be localhost:(something), but you can leave the localhost part out. |
| [01:29:02] | strex: | Anyone know that this is: "NVP: prebuffering pause". it's causing my frontend to tempoaraly freeze. |
| [01:29:13] | Dagmar: | IF you described things accurately, `DISPLAY=:1 mythfrontend` will have interesting results |
| [01:29:20] | iamlindoro_: | strex, it's a catch all error that means SOMETHING IS TOO SLOW |
| [01:29:26] | iamlindoro_: | there is a huge wiki page on the topic |
| [01:29:40] | MythbuntuGuest64: | I had been using the option you fellas built into myth, but as soon as I disabled my xinerama it went away. |
| [01:30:13] | strex: | iamlindoro_: any idea what to search for, to find said page? |
| [01:30:13] | Dagmar: | You're not quite up on how Xinerama and multiple screens work then. |
| [01:30:13] | Dagmar: | You zigged when you could have zagged. |
| [01:30:40] | iamlindoro_: | strex, I suppose "prebuffering pause" slipped your mind? |
| [01:31:06] | Dagmar: | hint: You've got a mode where it's one BIG screen that just happens to be going to two monitors, and you've got a way of doing things which is two separate outputs going to two monitors. |
| [01:31:08] | strex: | iamlindoro_: lol, yep but thx |
| [01:31:42] | MythbuntuGuest64: | dagmar: got that pretty well, but when we start talking specifically about the X server – I start losing track :( |
| [01:32:44] | Dagmar: | MythbuntuGuest64: Having read a lot of their documenation, I'm pretty sure that was the intended result |
| [01:32:55] | MythbuntuGuest64: | I found this on wiki (http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Running_ . . . displays.29) but it doesn't work for me. |
| [01:33:25] | Dagmar: | They treat "display" and "monitor" and "output" as something other than synonyms of each other because there's no simpler way to put it, and you're damned if you don't catch onto that |
| [01:34:13] | MythbuntuGuest64: | so is there a wiki which captures what I _actually_ want to be rather than what I think I should be doing? |
| [01:39:01] | MythbuntuGuest64: | or is it as simple as instructing myth itself to run on the second session? |
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| [01:39:50] | dw805: | sphery: removing --enable-opengl and variants fixed it – thanks! |
| [01:42:05] | Dagmar: | If you can't figure it out after I've told you what to type, I can't help you. |
| [01:43:20] | MythbuntuGuest64: | dagmar – I didn't realize that was it.. I'm appreciative even if I don't know exactly how to apply the knowlege as yet.. thanks. |
| [01:44:52] | Dagmar: | heh |
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| [02:01:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | ah bleep — I forgot to check my timer for 24 and it didn't record... now I've missed the first hour... DOH! |
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| [02:03:31] | mnemonic76: | Can anyone tell me why I get no EPG data on my MediaMVP, but I do on the frontend running on the same box as the backend? |
| [02:04:14] | mnemonic76: | Live TV plays, recordings play, there is channel information (channel number and network) but no programm info! It all says unknown. |
| [02:05:32] | iamlindoro_: | I would guess the MediaMVP frontend is probably limited in a number of regards, that may be one of them |
| [02:06:26] | mnemonic76: | Well, mvmpc is running on it and it takes me to the guide... just all the ime blocks (30minute blocks) say the same thing: Unknown! |
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| [02:07:58] | iamlindoro_: | sounds like a limitation to the software (or that the software expects to speak an older version of MythProto |
| [02:08:00] | iamlindoro_: | ) |
| [02:12:27] | MythbuntuGuest64: | dagmar – your tip worked well, I'm now able to play on my tv and work (yeah sure!) on my desktop. woo! |
| [02:17:03] | mnemonic76: | I realise what is going on... the guide opens at December 31st for some damn reason... it is painfully slow to move page by page for 11 days... any ideas? |
| [02:18:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | mnemonic76: check the time setting on the box? |
| [02:19:26] | mnemonic76: | Yeah, the backend is correct of course, but you're right the OSD on the MVP says 19:27 ... the date is probably wrong too. How the heck do I solve this? |
| [02:19:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | mnemonic76: I dunno... don't have one myself... |
| [02:19:50] | mnemonic76: | Shouldn't it have fixed itself on boot? |
| [02:21:31] | mnemonic76: | Hmm. It gets its IP from the DHCP server and the DHCP tells the MVP where the tftp server is (on the backend) and boots from there... huh. Dunno. |
| [02:22:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | mnemonic76: found via google: http://www.mvpmc.org/index.php?pg=faq#q8 |
| [02:22:59] | mnemonic76: | Yeah, I am looking at that I think... thanks... I'll let you know how it works out. |
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| [03:05:06] | simcop2387: | is it possible to tell myth that a channel/source or input device is in a specific aspect ratio? (i happen to have a mix of them between different sources) |
| [03:08:00] | Dagmar: | Not that I'm aware of |
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| [03:10:36] | deltaray2: | I accidentally ran the video manager over a directory that had a large number of non-video files and video files in it. And now it seems that it is caching that information. Is there a way to clear its database and start over? |
| [03:11:10] | wagnerrp: | flush the table in mysql |
| [03:11:19] | wagnerrp: | or remove the directory path and rescan |
| [03:11:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | deltaray2: or remove that directory from the video ^^^ beat me to it... ;-) |
| [03:15:29] | deltaray2: | I'm completely new to mythtv. But I know about MySQL, so I can just login to the mythtv db and delete all the rows in some table? Which table? |
| [03:15:54] | deltaray2: | I have unmounted the partition that I entered before, how do I rescan? |
| [03:17:45] | iamlindoro_: | enter the video manager |
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| [03:18:23] | tzanger: | good evening |
| [03:19:01] | deltaray2: | I tried that before, didn't seem to work. |
| [03:19:07] | deltaray2: | It takes about 15 minutes for it to scan. |
| [03:19:15] | tzanger: | I'm playing around with ffmpeg to convert some HD streams grabbed with my usb dvb-t adapter and myth to x264... What is the difference between a skiplist and a cutlist from mythcommflag? |
| [03:19:34] | tzanger: | I'm eventually going to try to feed the cut list (or skip list?) to ffmpeg so I don't have commercials in the resultant output |
| [03:19:45] | wagnerrp: | the scan should be done in a matter of seconds |
| [03:19:54] | iamlindoro_: | indeed |
| [03:20:01] | wagnerrp: | if it takes 15 minutes, something is wrong |
| [03:20:09] | iamlindoro_: | x264 is not a codec |
| [03:20:12] | wagnerrp: | all its doing is grabbing the file names |
| [03:20:37] | tzanger: | iamlindoro_: ? |
| [03:20:39] | wagnerrp: | skiplist is what tells myth where the commercials are |
| [03:20:49] | wagnerrp: | cutlist is what a transcode job clips out |
| [03:20:55] | iamlindoro_: | tzanger, x264 is not the name of a codec, it's the name of a program |
| [03:21:15] | iamlindoro_: | h.264 is a name of a codec |
| [03:21:17] | wagnerrp: | just one implementation of h264/avc |
| [03:21:19] | tzanger: | iamlindoro_: sure, h.264 then, I'm not quite sure where the pedantry gets me :-) |
| [03:21:29] | iamlindoro_: | it gets you from wrong to right |
| [03:21:32] | tzanger: | libx264 I think is what ffmpeg actually uses |
| [03:21:36] | iamlindoro_: | and you can't feed ffmpeg a cutlist |
| [03:21:46] | deltaray2: | wagnerrp, no, I just had 500,000 items in the videometadata table. |
| [03:21:51] | deltaray2: | Like I said, I goofed. |
| [03:21:56] | deltaray2: | I'm removing the rows. |
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| [03:22:03] | wagnerrp: | 500000 files in your videometadata table???? |
| [03:22:12] | wagnerrp: | i dont even know if i have that many files on my computer |
| [03:22:38] | deltaray2: | I put the videos I wanted to try on a drive that also had backup data on it. |
| [03:22:52] | tzanger: | wagnerrp: I'm not sure I understand the difference. "what a transcode job clips out" — what do you mean? |
| [03:22:54] | deltaray2: | The backup data included large mailboxes, etc. |
| [03:22:58] | tzanger: | iamlindoro_: hmm |
| [03:23:14] | iamlindoro_: | it still shouldn't have added every file, just the ones that match the extensions you ahve defined |
| [03:23:23] | wagnerrp: | tzanger: if you run mythtranscode with a cutlist, it removes those sections of video from the resultant file |
| [03:23:41] | tzanger: | yes... and a skip list is what the player uses to skip commercials? |
| [03:23:44] | iamlindoro_: | the skiplist, conversely, is non-destructive-- skipped on playback |
| [03:23:48] | tzanger: | are they not usually the same frames? |
| [03:23:58] | iamlindoro_: | them being the same frames is up to the user |
| [03:24:02] | wagnerrp: | they are different entities in the database |
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| [03:24:09] | iamlindoro_: | you would need to load the skiplist as a cutlist for them to be the same |
| [03:24:14] | deltaray2: | Ahhhh, there we go, much better. |
| [03:24:14] | wagnerrp: | open up a video, go into the menu, hit edit |
| [03:24:25] | wagnerrp: | then hit 'z' to convert the skiplist into a cutlist |
| [03:24:32] | wagnerrp: | confirm the placement of the cuts |
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| [03:24:42] | wagnerrp: | and schedule a transcode |
| [03:24:45] | tzanger: | Fair enough; could you explain a scenario when you'd want to cut out parts of a recording that aren't commercials? |
| [03:24:52] | tzanger: | interesting |
| [03:24:58] | wagnerrp: | if your recordings are mpeg2, do a lossless transcode |
| [03:25:07] | wagnerrp: | and then you can re-encode in whatever other program you want |
| [03:25:21] | iamlindoro_: | You would not want to trust the skiplist in case it is (often) completely wrong |
| [03:25:27] | wagnerrp: | tzanger: when you go into the 'video edit' system, you can add cuts anywhere you want |
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| [03:25:32] | PMantis: | Hi! Is there an easy way to move a "Recording" to "Videos"? |
| [03:25:38] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [03:25:42] | iamlindoro_: | cp |
| [03:25:43] | wagnerrp: | well... yes |
| [03:25:46] | tzanger: | iamlindoro_: it's actually been over 90% accurate for my recordings over the past two years |
| [03:25:58] | iamlindoro_: | tzanger, 90% accurate would be 10% not accurate enough for me |
| [03:26:00] | wagnerrp: | use mythrename to copy and rename the files into the videos directory |
| [03:26:10] | tzanger: | it does sometimes goof, sure |
| [03:26:14] | iamlindoro_: | and for most people-- and for people outside the US, it's usually about 90% inaccurate |
| [03:26:31] | tzanger: | but for what I'm thinking of doing here, I'm not getting rid of the original file until after I've watched the transcoded, cut up version |
| [03:26:38] | tzanger: | iamlindoro_: :-) |
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| [03:27:29] | iamlindoro_: | 2 of the 4 networks here have introduced nasty thing into their stream to prevent our kind of commercial skip, too |
| [03:27:49] | iamlindoro_: | like one field in an interlaced frame being a commercial, and the other being program... breaks commflag pretty badly |
| [03:28:10] | iamlindoro_: | so think of skiplist->cutlist as a "are you *sure*?" prompt by myth |
| [03:28:25] | iamlindoro_: | if you are crazy/really certain about commflagging, the skiplist can be automated into a cutlist quite easily |
| [03:28:28] | PMantis: | wagnerrp: Mythrename? |
| [03:28:39] | wagnerrp: | mythrename.pl, its in the contrib folder |
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| [03:29:08] | wagnerrp: | i use it for linking the recordings to a meaningful name, for access on windows machines and samba shares |
| [03:29:13] | iamlindoro_: | you would just set a job to run after all commflagging jobs to be "mythcommflag --getcutlist -c %CHANID% -s %STARTTIME% |
| [03:29:15] | iamlindoro_: | " |
| [03:29:26] | iamlindoro_: | which would take the skiplist and set it as the cutlist |
| [03:29:28] | tzanger: | iamlindoro_: I've got kind of a specialized problem. I can't receive CBC HD where I live, but my brother can; I'm abusing a systme of his to record it for me, then transcode it to something far more manageable for downloading |
| [03:29:46] | tzanger: | there are only 1.5hrs/wk I'm interested in, so it's feasable |
| [03:29:47] | iamlindoro_: | see the "removing commericals" article on the wiki, it will probably cover most of what you want |
| [03:29:55] | iamlindoro_: | er commercials, rather |
| [03:30:03] | wagnerrp: | tzanger: so open up VNC, run a small frontend, and use the edit feature |
| [03:30:11] | iamlindoro_: | do a lossless transcode to remove the commercials, then you can transcode it in any fashion you like |
| [03:30:15] | wagnerrp: | you DO NOT want to cut commercials without confirming them |
| [03:30:22] | iamlindoro_: | ffmpeg, mythtranscode, mencoder, et cetera |
| [03:30:25] | PMantis: | wagnerrp: I'll take a look, thanks. I first looked at the mysql tables, found the entry I wanted, and saw the "basefilename" field. Nothing on my hard drive matched this, however... |
| [03:30:32] | tzanger: | wagnerrp: as I said, it's accurate enough for my purposes |
| [03:30:43] | wagnerrp: | tzanger: doubtful |
| [03:31:05] | tzanger: | hell I'm even going from 1920x1080@60i MPEG2 -> 480p h264 to get the bitrate down |
| [03:31:24] | iamlindoro_: | tzanger, you don't get normal CBC? |
| [03:31:25] | tzanger: | wagnerrp: I appreciate your skepticism, but I've been running myth for over 2yrs it's working very well |
| [03:31:46] | tzanger: | iamlindoro_: unfortunately no; analog reception here is very shitty, and the only CBC HD I *can* get is french |
| [03:32:01] | wagnerrp: | i agree, commflagging usually works very well |
| [03:32:02] | iamlindoro_: | What a wonderful opportunity to learn french :) |
| [03:32:06] | tzanger: | which blows my mind, because I'm a good 8hrs from Quebec |
| [03:32:08] | tzanger: | haha |
| [03:32:15] | wagnerrp: | but just wait until one job completely botches up |
| [03:32:21] | iamlindoro_: | thought all you guys learned it a l'ecole anyway |
| [03:32:38] | tzanger: | sure, but I'm positive we retain as much of that as you do of what spanish you pick up :-) |
| [03:32:45] | tzanger: | (assuming you're American) |
| [03:32:55] | iamlindoro_: | Hey, I live in California, we don't lose our spanish ;) |
| [03:33:03] | iamlindoro_: | And CBC HD in french would work for me too ;) |
| [03:33:18] | tzanger: | if you're in Cali and can't understand Spanish, you must feel like a second class citizen :-) |
| [03:33:32] | wagnerrp: | hell, im hispanic, and i cant even tell the difference between spanish and portuguese |
| [03:33:34] | iamlindoro_: | Like I said, we retain it all |
| [03:34:18] | wagnerrp: | of course my spanish came via the hill people of southern kentucky |
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| [03:52:50] | PMantis: | AH-ha, got the name of the video through lsof. :) |
| [03:54:18] | clever: | lsof can be fun, but its usualy painfully slow for me |
| [03:54:30] | clever: | i prefer ls /proc/$PID/fd/ when i can |
| [03:54:58] | wagnerrp: | that happens when you have a dozen 10yr old machines running off one hard drive |
| [03:55:02] | PMantis: | clever: I almost didn't find it 'cause I was looking on the backend. |
| [03:55:10] | clever: | wagnerrp: even with the 1.6ghz systems, its slow |
| [03:55:31] | clever: | it seems to want to do dns lookups on every ip for the tcp connections |
| [03:55:42] | wagnerrp: | PMantis: yeah, anything not related to tv recording is on the frontend |
| [03:56:19] | PMantis: | wagnerrp: As long as there's an NFS mount, otherwise it's streamed. |
| [03:56:44] | wagnerrp: | clever: often times a '-n' blocks dns resolution |
| [03:56:51] | wagnerrp: | lsof included |
| [03:57:19] | clever: | yes that does indeed make it alot faster |
| [03:59:03] | iamlindoro_: | Ahh 24, which major good guy will turn out to be the bad on your *this* year? |
| [03:59:08] | PMantis: | I've been importing lots of movies to Myth lately... since my recent addition of a PVR-150, I created channel 1, and assigned it to the component inputs, connected a VCR, and have been importing VHS movies, too. Unfortunately, I only figured out how to do this by creating a schedule, then it goes into "Recordings" instead of "Videos". Now I'm having to move the mpegs. Is there a better way? |
| [04:00:14] | wagnerrp: | command line |
| [04:00:22] | iamlindoro_: | cat /dev/video0 > /path/to/a/movie.mpg |
| [04:00:31] | wagnerrp: | grab the ivtv command line tools to tune the card to the svideo input |
| [04:01:00] | Anduin: | and fix the bitrate |
| [04:01:14] | PMantis: | Hmmm, maybe that way will work out |
| [04:01:37] | iamlindoro_: | ps, your pvr-150 doesn't have component inputs ;) |
| [04:02:05] | PMantis: | iamlindoro_: Component, composite... I get it confused. :) |
| [04:02:08] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro_: your VCR has component outputs? |
| [04:02:26] | iamlindoro_: | wagnerrp, hrm? |
| [04:03:06] | clever: | ugh |
| [04:03:11] | clever: | Jan 12 00:02:05 media kernel: [2298883.260042] ivtv0: All encoder MPEG stream buffers are full. Dropping data. |
| [04:03:12] | PMantis: | Yellow, Red, White. Very common video out, but I never seem to get the semantics right. |
| [04:03:17] | ** clever stabs ntfsmount ** | |
| [04:03:34] | wagnerrp: | PMantis: just the yellow |
| [04:03:36] | iamlindoro_: | Only Yellow is video |
| [04:03:43] | iamlindoro_: | wagnerrp, What were you getting at? |
| [04:03:46] | clever: | red/white are audio |
| [04:03:55] | iamlindoro_: | I didn't say anything about my VCR, let alone it having component |
| [04:03:59] | PMantis: | iamlindoro_: Of course, but most videos are nothing without sound. ;) |
| [04:04:13] | wagnerrp: | just joking |
| [04:04:24] | iamlindoro_: | ah |
| [04:04:28] | wagnerrp: | you said the 150 couldnt do that, i said the VCR couldnt do that |
| [04:04:42] | PMantis: | LOL, what did I start? |
| [04:04:44] | iamlindoro_: | PMantis, If you have s-video out you really really ought to use that instead, btw |
| [04:05:32] | PMantis: | iamlindoro_: and I'd only have to convert that to RCA to plug it into the PVR-150, so how does that help? |
| [04:06:04] | iamlindoro_: | PMantis, erm, most (all?) PVR-150s have s-video ins |
| [04:06:07] | wagnerrp: | the PVR-150 should have svideo |
| [04:06:41] | PMantis: | I see FM, ANT, and Y R W |
| [04:06:52] | iamlindoro_: | yucky |
| [04:07:09] | iamlindoro_: | you're damned if you do and damned if you do with that |
| [04:07:10] | wagnerrp: | no round, black, 4-pin connector? |
| [04:07:28] | iamlindoro_: | RF and composite, the two worst available connectors, heh |
| [04:08:00] | PMantis: | Hmmm. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_PVR-150 |
| [04:08:12] | PMantis: | It's shown here, maybe I should look again. |
| [04:08:36] | wagnerrp: | if you have an FM tuner, you have the version pictured in that page |
| [04:08:48] | wagnerrp: | the non-mce version comes with svideo and no fm tuner |
| [04:09:54] | PMantis: | But the VCR I brought down to the backend doesn't have svideo, so I'd have to swap with another one to use it if the card has svideo. |
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| [04:10:10] | iamlindoro_: | it'd be worth it if you really intend to archive this stuff |
| [04:10:18] | ** PMantis feels too lazy to go downstairs to look at the card again. ** | |
| [04:10:38] | wagnerrp: | the color is that much better? because the quality of VHS is already questionable |
| [04:11:14] | PMantis: | iamlindoro_: Yeah, have a few more to do, some home movies, too... I'll take a look at svideo when I do my next batch. |
| [04:11:45] | iamlindoro_: | you're screwed enough with VHS that I wouldn't give up any more if a simple cable switch will do |
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| [04:12:29] | PMantis: | Yeah, I figured I'd better archive this stuff before the tapes degrae any more. |
| [04:12:38] | PMantis: | **degrade |
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| [04:14:16] | PMantis: | BTW, I saw a video on LinuxMCE. That's based on myth, asterisk, +. Is that really all it's cracked up to be? |
| [04:14:26] | iamlindoro_: | nope |
| [04:14:31] | iamlindoro_: | and the version of myth in it is ancient |
| [04:14:36] | iamlindoro_: | and only the backend |
| [04:14:43] | iamlindoro_: | and the UI is awful in person |
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| [04:14:47] | wagnerrp: | its using a heavily patched 0.20 |
| [04:14:48] | iamlindoro_: | but besides that it's great |
| [04:14:52] | ahughes: | is there an ubuntu / apt repository for myth? |
| [04:14:57] | tzanger: | if you want a quick and dirty frontend, I really like minimyth |
| [04:14:57] | PMantis: | lol |
| [04:15:03] | iamlindoro_: | ahughes, besides the normal ubuntu repos? |
| [04:15:04] | tzanger: | mediabuntu? |
| [04:15:18] | iamlindoro_: | Myth is in the plain jane ubuntu repositories |
| [04:15:53] | PMantis: | tzanger: Heh, I do want to slim down the frontends, but I seem to need lots of power to render video. |
| [04:16:31] | tzanger: | PMantis: yeah I have an amd64 system (fanless, diskless) for my frontend. asus m2npv-vm |
| [04:16:48] | tzanger: | runs minimyth, then just a regular slack box in the back with all the media + capture cards |
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| [04:17:34] | ahughes: | well, Im about to buy all my hardware for my htpc.. not sure what o/s + software I should put on it tho.... |
| [04:17:35] | PMantis: | I only have 1 frontend, and I really want to add a few more... but the thought of a full PC for each TV is frightening. |
| [04:17:45] | sphery: | ahughes: but if you're just starting your Myth system, you may want to look at MythBuntu ( http://mythbuntu.org/ ) |
| [04:19:38] | PMantis: | tzanger: Awww, no 5.1 surround on that board? :) |
| [04:20:00] | ahughes: | sphery, that would be a good start thanks. |
| [04:20:13] | PMantis: | tzanger: and you said it was fanless – what CPU is on there? |
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| [04:20:42] | PMantis: | ahughes: I agree, Mythbuntu is pretty good. |
| [04:20:45] | ahughes: | anyone recommend good or BAD tuner cards? PCI or USB??? |
| [04:20:52] | tzanger: | PMantis: optical/coax s/pdif out, I have a 5.1 receiver. |
| [04:21:17] | wagnerrp: | ahughes: what is your content source? |
| [04:21:27] | tzanger: | PMantis: it's a semprom 3400 ee-series with a huge copper heatsink for 1U computers |
| [04:21:30] | iamlindoro_: | one instance of each punctuation per sentence please |
| [04:21:32] | sphery: | ahughes: I'd never recommend one that's bad. Go with a good one. :) |
| [04:21:34] | iamlindoro_: | !!! |
| [04:21:38] | tzanger: | (it's in a silverstonetek LC19 case) |
| [04:21:47] | ahughes: | nice advice sphery ;) |
| [04:21:55] | iamlindoro_: | sphery, I seem to have stopped the dev list it its tracks |
| [04:22:01] | ahughes: | pinnacle vs Haaupage? |
| [04:22:10] | wagnerrp: | arent they the same thing now? |
| [04:22:15] | PMantis: | tzanger: Is this the board? http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131014 |
| [04:22:16] | iamlindoro_: | indeed they are |
| [04:22:30] | tzanger: | yep that's the one |
| [04:22:32] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: your webbrowser post? |
| [04:22:32] | ahughes: | wagnerrp, erm... content source? what do ya mean... well its Australian HDTV broadcast (1080) |
| [04:22:37] | iamlindoro_: | sphery, yar |
| [04:22:48] | Shadow____X: | hey i have that board |
| [04:22:50] | sphery: | last one to the list? |
| [04:22:50] | Shadow____X: | lol |
| [04:22:50] | wagnerrp: | ahughes: thats what i was looking for |
| [04:22:57] | mib_vo3ihr: | quick question...I signed up for the Schedules Direct free trial, and it's mostly fine, but after about noon tomorrow there are no listings for several channels (but some for others). |
| [04:23:05] | iamlindoro_: | sphery, I can't make heads nor tails of the mythuiwebbrowser code, it seems ttoally insistent on being used on a one-off basis |
| [04:23:12] | tzanger: | PMantis: it's a pretty good board, although I don't need onboard component out anymore, I'm doing dvi->hdmi |
| [04:23:21] | wagnerrp: | mib_vo3ihr: probably, mythfilldatabase has not finished running |
| [04:23:21] | iamlindoro_: | and only when called from the code-- maybe paulh can do it quickly, but I sure can't |
| [04:23:27] | tzanger: | I think if I were to do it now I'd be looking at something like a popcorn hour or roku netflix box |
| [04:23:31] | mib_vo3ihr: | wagnerrp: can I make this happen? |
| [04:23:37] | PMantis: | tzanger: I'd love to have a thin client as a frontend – perhaps hacked with a compact flash card. |
| [04:23:38] | wagnerrp: | let it finish running |
| [04:23:41] | mib_vo3ihr: | I would like to schedule a recording tomorrow night |
| [04:23:49] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: yeah, I have that post marked blue (blue is To Do)... If I get a chance, I planned to look at it and see if I could help. |
| [04:23:50] | mib_vo3ihr: | How long do I have to wait? |
| [04:23:58] | tzanger: | PMantis: mine's netbooting — I do kernel dev work though so I have a tftp server around and such already :-) |
| [04:23:58] | wagnerrp: | until it is no longer running |
| [04:24:06] | sphery: | (unfortunately, I have a lot of non-Myth/non-computer things that have to come first) |
| [04:24:09] | wagnerrp: | maybe 15 minutes for a fresh update |
| [04:24:18] | iamlindoro_: | sphery, Would be neat/appreciated-- guess I'll have to see what paulh says (but he may be in a bad mood once he reads the list) |
| [04:24:31] | sphery: | yeah... |
| [04:24:32] | mib_vo3ihr: | wagnerrp: it's been like this for two hours or so :P |
| [04:24:43] | sphery: | as gbee said, would be much easier if he hung out in #mythtv |
| [04:24:48] | iamlindoro_: | sphery, That was a totally incomprehensible move, however |
| [04:25:03] | PMantis: | tzanger: So do I... I participated in the LTSP dev team for a while... have lots of Etherboot and PXE experience. |
| [04:25:06] | sphery: | it's always disappointing to see someone do a lot of work when it's likely to get undone |
| [04:25:17] | iamlindoro_: | true |
| [04:25:35] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: yeah, he had basically finished it back in Nov when he posted about it... Guess he just finished it up as something |
| [04:25:44] | tzanger: | PMantis: awesome. my stuff's more contract work, I tend to not show up in the public logs |
| [04:25:47] | sphery: | and he probably didn't feel like going back and doing it over completely |
| [04:25:54] | PMantis: | tzanger: BTW, The "so do I' referred to have a tftp server already, NOT doing kernerl dev work. |
| [04:26:01] | tzanger: | oh :-) |
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| [04:26:18] | iamlindoro_: | sphery, yeah, I guess... |
| [04:26:26] | wagnerrp: | ahughes: seems you want DVB cards |
| [04:26:30] | tzanger: | there is something very very nice about doing x86/amd64 driver work on a system that you just don't care if it hardlocks, your fs is safe. :-) |
| [04:26:33] | wagnerrp: | DVB-T/S/C |
| [04:26:42] | tzanger: | the embedded stuff is generally all flash or nfs anyway |
| [04:26:46] | wagnerrp: | i dont know anything beyond that |
| [04:26:50] | tzanger: | er flash or ram anyway |
| [04:27:23] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: I will admit that I didn't like the idea of themes containing HTML, though (in Nov or today :) |
| [04:27:26] | PMantis: | tzanger: heh, either way, usually RO., or at least sync mounted. |
| [04:27:42] | tzanger: | yep |
| [04:27:50] | mib_vo3ihr: | wagnerrp: is it possible to manually download the listing data and add it? |
| [04:28:03] | wagnerrp: | just run mythfilldatabase again |
| [04:28:35] | PMantis: | tzanger: That brings up a point, do the frontends need rw to the NFS exports of recordings? |
| [04:28:48] | wagnerrp: | shouldnt, no |
| [04:28:54] | wagnerrp: | in fact, they dont need access at all |
| [04:29:00] | wagnerrp: | you can push video through the backend |
| [04:29:43] | PMantis: | wagnerrp: True, but I find that NFS mounting to match the layout of the backend performs better than streaming from a TCP port on the backend. |
| [04:29:49] | ahughes: | wagnerrp, indeed I do want a DVB card... USB or PCI I wonder??? |
| [04:30:16] | mib_vo3ihr: | wagnerrp: the wiki page for mythfilldatabase is unclear, do I need to run it with an xml file containing the listings? and where would I find such a file? |
| [04:30:46] | PMantis: | ahughes: If you're only looking for digital in your first, card, I'd highly recommend the HDHomeRun – it's awesome, and no slots in the backend – all IP. :) |
| [04:31:15] | wagnerrp: | mib_vo3ihr: with schedulesdirect, just do a '--refresh-all' |
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| [04:31:38] | mib_vo3ihr: | wagnerrp: okay, thanks :) |
| [04:31:42] | tzanger: | PMantis: my frontend does *not* have an nfs connection to the backend |
| [04:31:44] | tzanger: | it's all streamed |
| [04:32:13] | tzanger: | although I wonder if I'd get less backend "drag" if I just used nfs |
| [04:32:27] | tzanger: | I don't know if the player would skip commercials and stuff if it was grabbing the file itself |
| [04:32:47] | PMantis: | tzanger: I never found anything on the web talking about NFS, etc. But there is an option on the frontend to "always stream from backend". What is that there for? |
| [04:33:01] | tzanger: | yep |
| [04:33:11] | tzanger: | (or rather, I am pretty sure. heh) |
| [04:33:21] | PMantis: | :) |
| [04:33:23] | wagnerrp: | PMantis: probably to always stream from the backend |
| [04:33:28] | PMantis: | lol |
| [04:33:39] | rooaus: | sphery: agreed, and I don't know how that will (more likely wont) work with scripting for themes like has been discussed. |
| [04:33:41] | Shadow____X: | you can never really know |
| [04:34:09] | PMantis: | wagnerrp: I meant if I have the ability to exclude all other options, what ARE the other options? |
| [04:34:12] | iamlindoro_: | rooaus, it just doesn't, at all... |
| [04:35:06] | wagnerrp: | PMantis: you can use NFS, CIFS, AFS, some other form of network file system, or do nothing and push it through mythproto |
| [04:35:32] | PMantis: | tzanger: Of course, my main frontend (only frontend right now) does ripping, so i'll need to write the files to something. rw NFS is only logical there. |
| [04:35:53] | mib_vo3ihr: | wagnerrp: mythfilldatabase --refresh-all still doesn't add anything after 10 PM tomorrow, or anything on channels 12.* or 14.* |
| [04:36:16] | wagnerrp: | mib_vo3ihr: are those channels in your SD lineup? |
| [04:36:20] | tzanger: | makes sense |
| [04:36:24] | mib_vo3ihr: | wagnerrp: yes |
| [04:36:30] | tzanger: | my frontend ONLY frontends. :-) |
| [04:37:03] | PMantis: | wagnerrp: I'll have th check the wiki – it'd be nice to see that there. |
| [04:37:20] | PMantis: | tzanger: Nice and clean. :) |
| [04:38:06] | tzanger: | PMantis: yeah, but that processor is overkill, especially if I get minimyth to roll in the newest nvidia driver |
| [04:38:25] | tzanger: | I should be able to drive 1080p with a little AVR if I can do that :-) |
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| [04:39:27] | PMantis: | I'd love to have a low power, fanless frontend with 5.1. woot! |
| [04:40:13] | PMantis: | tzanger: BTW, I'm using DVI-->HDMI as well. My TV never goes to sleep when myth sends such a signal.. just stays on full power, displaying "no signal". So annoying. know of any workarounds? |
| [04:41:20] | clever: | my tv will threaten to kill itself in 10mins if it looses the signal |
| [04:41:31] | PMantis: | ha |
| [04:41:56] | clever: | but i have dpms on the comp disabled, and i just turn the tv off manualy when i leave |
| [04:42:22] | PMantis: | As soon as I touch the remote, bam – the myth menu is back. |
| [04:42:47] | ** clever goes off to watch more tv on the laptop:) ** | |
| [04:42:48] | wagnerrp: | just imagine how much power your tv draws to keep it in standby |
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| [04:43:04] | clever: | wagnerrp: amazingly, mine takes 0 when in standby |
| [04:43:26] | wagnerrp: | then... its not in standby |
| [04:43:26] | Shadow____X: | did you check that with a meter |
| [04:43:44] | clever: | its totaly off, except for the very low power bits like the clock and ir receiver |
| [04:43:49] | clever: | i used the kill-a-watt |
| [04:43:54] | PMantis: | clever: 0? How does it turn on with a remote? Something has to listed to IR. :) |
| [04:44:07] | PMantis: | err listen |
| [04:44:07] | clever: | PMantis: the ir receiver doesnt take 1 watt |
| [04:44:26] | clever: | but its too low to register on the kill-a-watt display |
| [04:44:42] | clever: | id have to leave it measuring for days to get a usefull number |
| [04:44:48] | PMantis: | clever: But technically speaking, it's not truly 0. :) |
| [04:45:07] | clever: | yeah its not 0, but its under 0.01 watts |
| [04:45:23] | PMantis: | Sorry, couldn't resist! LOL |
| [04:45:29] | clever: | which is even less the CFL lights at 11 watts |
| [04:45:57] | clever: | the package on those things lies also, the package claims 13 watts:P |
| [04:46:17] | PMantis: | Hmm, when my CFLs are off, they're completely off. |
| [04:46:41] | clever: | those are switched by a plain old light switch, that totaly cuts the power line |
| [04:46:53] | PMantis: | Exactly :) |
| [04:47:03] | clever: | but 11 watts is 22 cents a month |
| [04:47:15] | tzanger: | PMantis: DPMS? |
| [04:47:17] | clever: | the tv uses under 0.01 watts when in standby, so its way less then 22 cents a month |
| [04:47:24] | tzanger: | mine shuts down if the PC turns off :-) |
| [04:48:01] | clever: | if i run 'xset dpms force off' on any laptop, the lcd panel goes off, and on the tvout, the signal goes dead |
| [04:48:11] | clever: | and my tv will shut itself off if it goes 10mins without a signal |
| [04:48:18] | clever: | composite video out |
| [04:48:27] | clever: | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 440] (rev a3) |
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| [04:49:00] | PMantis: | tzanger: Yeah, if I leave the myth alone for a while, the screen goes black for a bit, then goes to "no signal" forever until I click the remote. Te TV I have never turns itself off. :( |
| [04:49:35] | clever: | you could set something up with an ir blaster to tell the tv to go on/off from the computer |
| [04:49:53] | PMantis: | clever: I was starting to think about that. |
| [04:49:54] | clever: | but even that would be tricky if you just use the toggle on/off ir code, what state is the tv currently in? |
| [04:50:12] | PMantis: | clever: Yeah, have to get the absolute codes. |
| [04:50:18] | clever: | just like the dumb programable remote for my STB, you may turn the tv off every time you wake the system |
| [04:50:26] | clever: | and turn the tv on when going to standby |
| [04:50:50] | PMantis: | Sounds handy |
| [04:51:15] | clever: | the stb remote will send the CABLE and TV power_toggle codes when you hit the power button |
| [04:51:20] | clever: | to turn both devices on or off |
| [04:51:33] | clever: | but if you set the remote down at the wrong second, you block one of the signals |
| [04:51:53] | clever: | then one device is off and toggling both will never fix it |
| [04:52:23] | PMantis: | Yup. annoying. I *was* being sarcastic. |
| [04:52:29] | clever: | yep |
| [04:52:41] | clever: | i can just cover/uncover the remove at the right time to fix it |
| [04:52:49] | clever: | or hit the TV mode button to control just the tv |
| [04:53:05] | clever: | but dad doesnt bother with the easy fix, and just walks over to the tv to fix things manualy |
| [04:53:14] | PMantis: | I wonder if my TV has a firmware update to make it listed to dpms |
| [04:53:27] | PMantis: | heh |
| [04:53:33] | PMantis: | listen |
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| [04:54:01] | clever: | ive never seen people updating the firmware in tv's, but ive seen a few online that are practicaly a full computer system |
| [04:54:31] | PMantis: | Mine has a USB port that the manual says is for flashing the firmware. |
| [04:54:42] | clever: | neat |
| [04:54:43] | PMantis: | It's labeled "Service" |
| [04:54:53] | PMantis: | But definitely USB |
| [04:54:59] | clever: | http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=243 |
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| [04:57:05] | PMantis: | clever: Cool stuff! |
| [04:57:09] | clever: | yeah |
| [04:57:22] | clever: | tons of neat stuff on that site |
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| [04:57:42] | clever: | gigabit ethernet in a tv..... |
| [04:57:57] | PMantis: | haha |
| [04:58:08] | clever: | i dont even have that on my desktops |
| [04:58:13] | wagnerrp: | sure, why not |
| [04:58:30] | clever: | wagnerrp: it could be to handle iptv with the tv itself |
| [04:58:30] | wagnerrp: | its cheap, and the high end Sonys and Samsungs have UPNP clients |
| [04:58:37] | clever: | ahhh |
| [04:58:56] | clever: | now all we need is a linux hack to get a full frontend in there:P |
| [04:59:00] | PMantis: | Really?? That's a slim frontend for myth. :) |
| [04:59:11] | PMantis: | but no live tv |
| [04:59:25] | clever: | stuff linux in there and you solve that problem:P |
| [04:59:34] | PMantis: | clever: Absolutely |
| [04:59:46] | clever: | heck, all you need is to network boot the thing |
| [04:59:47] | iamlindoro_: | no lots of things, uPnp does about 1/100000000th of what a real frontend does |
| [05:00:06] | PMantis: | clever: I've been looking at my iOpener, thinking what it would look like running a frontend. LOL |
| [05:00:36] | clever: | ahh:) |
| [05:00:46] | PMantis: | But not hopeful enough to get ambitious... slow screen. |
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| [05:01:57] | PMantis: | Oh, and I experimented with placing my HDHomeRun on a different NIC, but all I had available far a Linksys USB NIC. |
| [05:02:28] | clever: | http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dell_L . . . DSC00010.JPG |
| [05:02:41] | clever: | i have one of those that i could easily convert into a tablet pc |
| [05:02:46] | clever: | all i would need is a little hot glue |
| [05:03:14] | clever: | the lcd panel is on a short cord, so you can easily tear it off and flip it over |
| [05:03:27] | clever: | but then i would losse access to the inputs |
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| [05:04:04] | PMantis: | It's apparently USB 1.1, and theoretically, this would seem to be fast enough... but iptraf showed this capping at 400 packets/sec, and about 4.3Mbps... recording (yes, only 1 at a time) was worthless, and 2 was just a joke. |
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| [05:04:47] | PMantis: | clever: Hah, hack modding a laptop? |
| [05:05:02] | clever: | the hinges are allready shot on that laptop |
| [05:05:22] | clever: | the panel cant even support itself, it slammed shut on my fingers a few times |
| [05:05:24] | PMantis: | That's funny. |
| [05:06:23] | PMantis: | There's a guy in my local LUG that has an old powerbook that my install Ubuntu on, and uses that to watch TV in bed over wifi. |
| [05:06:47] | clever: | i did the exact same thing with my 1ghz laptop |
| [05:06:52] | ** PMantis asks forgiveness for odd typos – drinking. ** | |
| [05:06:54] | clever: | with 802.11 b |
| [05:07:20] | clever: | but the harddrive eventualy died, so i converted it to network booting |
| [05:07:27] | clever: | add a 100mbit leash and it runs perfectly stable without a hdd or wireless |
| [05:07:39] | mib_vo3ihr: | Goodnight everyone, thanks for all the help :) |
| [05:07:44] | PMantis: | clever: I find that good quality recording a REALLY choppy, with small streaks of clarity. the videos I've imported from VHS are watchable over wifi though. |
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| [05:07:50] | clever: | the batery has since also died, so i cant even unplug it anymore |
| [05:08:19] | clever: | my recordings are roughtly 300kbyte/sec which is just at the limit of 802.11b |
| [05:08:26] | PMantis: | clever: LOL, sounds like a laptop that was donated to me. the HD controller went, so I created an etherboot CD, and made it a thin client. |
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| [05:08:56] | clever: | the harddrive just has a few bad sectors that are slowly growing |
| [05:09:09] | clever: | the gateway is much worse, it eats any harddrive i put in there |
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| [05:09:26] | PMantis: | wow |
| [05:09:27] | clever: | i put a perfectly stable 300mb drive with win 3.11, it began crashing within a week |
| [05:09:58] | PMantis: | Well, you said so yourself... with win 3.11 – mystery solved. :) |
| [05:10:12] | clever: | it ran just fine on the 50mhz 486 the drive came from:P |
| [05:10:26] | clever: | and moving it back has halted the progression of the damage |
| [05:10:42] | PMantis: | wow, I so remember running OS/2 and multitasking like crazy on such a machine. |
| [05:11:02] | clever: | i recently tried to make my 50mhz into a thin client |
| [05:11:14] | clever: | but i dont know how to use pcmcia thru isa |
| [05:11:23] | PMantis: | ? |
| [05:11:48] | clever: | theres no pci bus, so the pcmcia slot isnt auto detected |
| [05:11:48] | clever: | so i cant use the 10mbit ethernet card |
| [05:12:09] | PMantis: | clever: All you need is a NIC that supports PXE or etherboot. |
| [05:12:13] | PMantis: | Ohhhhh, ok |
| [05:13:02] | clever: | and the bios is too old for network booting |
| [05:13:02] | clever: | it cant even boot from cd |
| [05:13:02] | clever: | hell, the laptop doesnt even have a cd drive or sound card |
| [05:13:03] | PMantis: | I have an Intel ISA 10/100 almost NIB... Dunno if that supports network boothing though. |
| [05:13:42] | PMantis: | clever: Most NICs that I deal with for thin clients have a BIOS on board... takes over booting. |
| [05:14:10] | clever: | i allways had to choose net booting from the bios, or F12 before booting |
| [05:14:38] | clever: | those where all dell laptops, with the internal nic |
| [05:15:05] | clever: | the bios&nic are basicaly paired for life, so the bios has whatever 'drivers' it needs |
| [05:15:38] | clever: | bbl |
| [05:17:20] | PMantis: | I'd love to take something like this and make it a myth frontend: http://www.disklessworkstations.com/cgi-bin/w . . . ?id=uAiBYxak |
| [05:18:13] | clever: | http://spritesmods.com/?art=wtcluster |
| [05:18:33] | clever: | converting a thin client to a linux box |
| [05:23:19] | PMantis: | lol, that's funny |
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| [05:24:39] | ahughes: | yeah sure PMantis , it would be great if it has HDMI + Dolby Digital out too... |
| [05:24:45] | ahughes: | and bluetooth. |
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| [05:25:21] | PMantis: | lol |
| [05:25:36] | PMantis: | Hey, some people just have too much time on their hands |
| [05:25:37] | ahughes: | what's the standby support like in mediaubutnu or similar... given that windows has S3 standby. |
| [05:25:46] | ahughes: | I have no time :'( |
| [05:26:04] | ahughes: | now that I think about how... how am I ever gonna get to watch TV :'( |
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| [06:33:18] | d0netsFN: | http://code.google.com/p/mythmote/ |
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| [06:40:40] | davez0r: | so does anyone happen to know why myth is working great, but then mythbackend would suddenly shoot to 51% cpu usage and things get choppy? |
| [06:43:40] | davez0r: | as soon as I exit mythfrontend, mythbackend takes up the rest of the CPU and it seems caught in a loop using 99% CPU |
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| [06:44:56] | cesman: | check the backend log to see what it is doing |
| [06:45:05] | wagnerrp: | my myth would do that back around 0.20, but i dont remember what was the cause |
| [06:45:17] | wagnerrp: | it hasnt done it in the last few years |
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| [06:47:10] | davez0r: | oh hi wagnerrp |
| [06:47:53] | davez0r: | yeah, i checked the log and nothing looked unusual- so i stopped mythbackend and checked the log again- there is one strange error at the end |
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| [06:48:25] | davez0r: | MythSocket(1ad4940:-1): writeStringList: Error, socket went unconnected. |
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| [06:48:33] | davez0r: | ever seen that? |
| [06:49:04] | clever: | all the time |
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| [06:50:32] | davez0r: | i'm running 0.21-fixes |
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| [06:50:45] | clever: | i see it 59 times in my logs |
| [06:50:58] | davez0r: | and do you have the same behavior mine has? |
| [06:51:10] | davez0r: | or is that a normal thing? |
| [06:51:36] | clever: | i know its not good |
| [06:51:40] | davez0r: | heh |
| [06:51:47] | clever: | but dont remember the exact cause or side effects |
| [06:52:06] | clever: | would need a backtrace of what was going on at the time |
| [06:53:32] | davez0r: | yeah, i'm not even sure that error is the cause- it could just be something else that broke due to the endless loop |
| [06:53:42] | clever: | mythbackend -v all |
| [06:54:03] | davez0r: | ahh, good call- i'll run it with that |
| [06:56:17] | wagnerrp: | make sure to log it to a file |
| [06:56:42] | wagnerrp: | theres no way you could live watch the stream of garbage that will dump to console |
| [06:56:59] | davez0r: | yeah, probably tons |
| [06:58:19] | clever: | i carefully chose my -v flags to catch the common problems while keeping the spamage down so i can actualy keep up with it in real time |
| [07:02:56] | justinh: | davez0r: preview generator causing the cpu usage perhaps? |
| [07:03:12] | davez0r: | very possible |
| [07:03:18] | davez0r: | is that a known issue? |
| [07:03:39] | justinh: | I think so |
| [07:03:43] | davez0r: | i think the CPU went bonkers during a time i was browsing recordings |
| [07:03:55] | wagnerrp: | that sounds like it might have been my issue years ago |
| [07:04:30] | justinh: | I think it's still an outstanding issue, but can't be sure since I haven't been following it |
| [07:04:54] | davez0r: | hmm interesting. is there a way to disable the preview generator in the UI? |
| [07:04:58] | justinh: | nope |
| [07:05:10] | justinh: | yuo can disable previews being displayed but not being generated |
| [07:05:13] | davez0r: | hmm, cmdline switch? |
| [07:05:20] | justinh: | don't think so |
| [07:07:08] | davez0r: | hmm |
| [07:08:25] | davez0r: | any recommendations for a workaround? |
| [07:08:36] | davez0r: | maybe there's womthing in the trouble ticket |
| [07:08:40] | davez0r: | *something |
| [07:08:55] | wagnerrp: | fix the file permissions issue that prevented the images from being generated |
| [07:09:53] | davez0r: | does it create them in the same directory as the recordings? |
| [07:10:03] | justinh: | yup |
| [07:10:23] | wagnerrp: | my problem wasnt the video preview, but the thumbnail generator |
| [07:10:24] | davez0r: | it should have complete rights but i'll doublecheck |
| [07:11:01] | justinh: | ah damnit I can't svn up on my laptop without a network connection can I |
| [07:11:04] | wagnerrp: | one of the files happened to be garbled right at the point myth wanted to grab a frame |
| [07:11:21] | davez0r: | ahh- that could be my issue |
| [07:11:29] | davez0r: | i remember seeing some 0 byte thumbs |
| [07:12:10] | justinh: | try setting the timestamp used for preview generation further on in recordings :) |
| [07:12:43] | davez0r: | heh, where is that setting? deep in mythconverg somewhere? |
| [07:13:08] | justinh: | tv playback settings IIRC |
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| [07:21:56] | davez0r: | ok i found that setting, thanks justin. so wagnerrp, you resolved it by changing that, so the next time it tries to generate a thumb it will do so at a different spot |
| [07:22:07] | davez0r: | hopefully a spot that isn't garbled |
| [07:22:41] | wagnerrp: | davez0r: i resolved it by eventually getting rid of the videos causing the problem |
| [07:23:34] | davez0r: | ahh ok- i'll try that next |
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| [07:26:37] | RyeBrye: | I want a "watch recordings" screen that is a gigantic grid of video previews – all playing at once... it'd be like PIP*30 |
| [07:26:44] | RyeBrye: | :) |
| [07:26:59] | justinh: | you'll want a faster CPU then |
| [07:27:11] | davez0r: | lol no kidding |
| [07:27:16] | justinh: | though the way things are going maybe they could all be accelerated |
| [07:27:40] | justinh: | just don't ask me to theme that mother |
| [07:28:30] | RyeBrye: | :) |
| [07:28:44] | RyeBrye: | my CPU could handle it |
| [07:28:53] | RyeBrye: | ;) |
| [07:29:07] | justinh: | once we can have more than one view in 'watch recordings' I might consider it though |
| [07:29:16] | wagnerrp: | RyeBrye: my dad was actually talking about that yesterday |
| [07:29:24] | RyeBrye: | I do think it would be cool |
| [07:29:33] | wagnerrp: | he wanted his BTTF video wall |
| [07:29:48] | justinh: | 'cool' maybe. easy to find a recording fast without staring.. maybe not |
| [07:30:07] | RyeBrye: | how many can VDPAU accelerate at once? |
| [07:30:18] | wagnerrp: | the scene in back to the future where he pulls up multiple channels at once |
| [07:30:57] | RyeBrye: | wagnerrp: ah – yes. I want that |
| [07:30:57] | justinh: | PiPiPiPiPiPiPbP |
| [07:31:07] | justinh: | wagnerrp: back then though, it was still the 20th century when livetv was all people had! |
| [07:31:11] | wagnerrp: | although the concept of an EPG removes the need for that |
| [07:31:37] | wagnerrp: | and like justinh mentions, recording further does so |
| [07:31:49] | davez0r: | dude i know that scene |
| [07:32:06] | davez0r: | what i always wondered as a kid... |
| [07:32:28] | davez0r: | was one of the channels, ahem, "adults only?" |
| [07:32:35] | wagnerrp: | it was like channel surfing on steroids, but TV seems to be going a different direction |
| [07:33:02] | justinh: | there's a guy at work who 'watches' a lot more TV than me. Try to discuss the plot of a show, though.. and he often doesn't know what you're talking about. He's one of those who watches TV on his computer. While doing other stuff. So not really watching at all |
| [07:33:50] | wagnerrp: | i find when i do that, my attention will get pulled elsewhere |
| [07:34:04] | wagnerrp: | and i just keep scrolling back because i lost track of what was going on |
| [07:34:12] | justinh: | probably the same with multiple TV windows :) |
| [07:34:16] | RyeBrye: | I "watch" shows with my wife like that – reality shows and stuff |
| [07:34:28] | RyeBrye: | I'll just have my computer open doing work |
| [07:34:31] | justinh: | ADD tendencies |
| [07:34:35] | RyeBrye: | ;) |
| [07:34:59] | wagnerrp: | im sure i would 'test positive' for ADD if they did that when i was growing up |
| [07:35:14] | wagnerrp: | of course most kids would probably test positive |
| [07:35:18] | justinh: | if by 'watching' you mean 'being in the same room when it's playing' then yes I 'watch' my wife's soaps |
| [07:35:53] | davez0r: | ugh, soaps |
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| [07:35:57] | davez0r: | a waste of perfectly good bytes |
| [07:36:21] | davez0r: | especially the spanish ones |
| [07:36:42] | wagnerrp: | the spanish ones were never about the story |
| [07:36:44] | justinh: | as bad as ours are, I think they put a lot of others in the world ot shame |
| [07:36:59] | justinh: | *to |
| [07:37:04] | davez0r: | oh for sure |
| [07:37:34] | justinh: | the amount of mythweb machines I've found via google in other countries which get our soaps is incredible |
| [07:37:52] | d0netsFN: | hey is it possible to have mythtv rename the files to the name of the show? |
| [07:38:09] | d0netsFN: | or some type of labeling like "Show Title: Episdode" |
| [07:38:09] | wagnerrp: | mythrename.pl |
| [07:38:22] | ** d0netsFN googles ** | |
| [07:38:22] | justinh: | d0netsFN: yes but I'd rather have a script just make symbolic links.. i.e. mythrename.pl --link $directory |
| [07:38:53] | justinh: | less chance of anything going wrong |
| [07:39:02] | wagnerrp: | i have it set up to run just after the half hour, so i can access shows on my windows machines |
| [07:39:21] | wagnerrp: | just symlinks into a samba share |
| [07:39:47] | justinh: | I run it from time to time.. don't need to access recordings outside of mythtv very often |
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| [07:39:55] | wagnerrp: | i actually have it set up to run twice |
| [07:40:24] | wagnerrp: | one makes it sorted by recorded date, the other makes it sorted by show title |
| [07:40:43] | wagnerrp: | easier to find what im looking for in a hundred or so recordings |
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| [07:42:38] | davez0r: | well, thanks for the tips gents- i made some changes and we'll see if it resolves it |
| [07:45:08] | wagnerrp: | i really need to figure out why trunk isnt compiling on freebsd |
| [07:46:02] | wagnerrp: | it was a fairly trivial patch to get .21 and -fixes running, but trunk isnt so happy |
| [07:46:14] | justinh: | wagnerrp: because mythtv is designed for linux, and freebsd != linux ;-) |
| [07:46:31] | wagnerrp: | yeah yeah... but thats where all my file storage is |
| [07:46:35] | justinh: | wagnerrp: possibly a qt4 thing |
| [07:46:44] | wagnerrp: | i might as well have the HDHR running directly on the file server |
| [07:46:59] | wagnerrp: | justinh: yeah, it is a qt4 thing |
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| [07:47:32] | justinh: | oh dear. some guy going on about 'FTA' satellite in a forum thread, then talking about setting up his dishnetwork channels in his SD lineup. Whoops |
| [07:47:54] | wagnerrp: | there was a problem getting qt4 on freebsd, and it was ugly getting it running |
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| [07:48:16] | wagnerrp: | but after some quick forum searching, i found i did it wrong, and needed to change just a single line in one config file |
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| [07:48:48] | wagnerrp: | its rebuilding currently |
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| [07:56:14] | justinh: | and another theme bites the dust. pearody-wide's site has vanished |
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| [07:59:11] | wagnerrp: | the appletv theme? |
| [07:59:15] | justinh: | yup |
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| [07:59:54] | wagnerrp: | seems its been down for at least a month |
| [08:00:13] | wagnerrp: | someone requesting a copy of it on the ubuntu forums at the beginning of december |
| [08:00:59] | justinh: | wow. according to ohloh.net I'm one of 4 people within a 5 mile radius who've committed stuff to mythtv |
| [08:03:15] | justinh: | that can't be right |
| [08:04:14] | justinh: | heh. it's other ohloh members, not mythtv contributors. I was gonna say! |
| [08:04:18] | laga: | ;) |
| [08:04:20] | wagnerrp: | oof.... i need to shift the nightly system maintenance to a later time |
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| [08:05:07] | justinh: | still think we should have a get-together sometime this year though |
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| [08:08:24] | d0netsFN: | ok i think i have mythrename figured out for new recordings but is there a way to have it rename the old ones? |
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| [08:08:42] | justinh: | mythrename --help |
| [08:08:57] | justinh: | but FWIW I REALLY wouldn't do that if I were you |
| [08:09:15] | d0netsFN: | why |
| [08:09:40] | wagnerrp: | possibility of overlap |
| [08:09:49] | justinh: | because it's a script which messes with the database directly |
| [08:09:54] | wagnerrp: | issues of changing names on an active file |
| [08:10:07] | justinh: | and there's NO NEED to use it to directly rename files |
| [08:10:16] | wagnerrp: | just symlink it elsewhere |
| [08:10:26] | wagnerrp: | and you never have to worry about the actual recording directory |
| [08:10:43] | cesman: | right |
| [08:11:26] | justinh: | and if I was to run the script without having it make links, I certainly wouldn't run it without backing up the database first! |
| [08:11:42] | justinh: | (which incidentally is something you should do regularly anyway) |
| [08:11:57] | d0netsFN: | how do i back it up |
| [08:12:08] | wagnerrp: | check the wiki |
| [08:12:16] | wagnerrp: | mysqldump |
| [08:12:29] | justinh: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Backup_your_database |
| [08:14:34] | justinh: | ah, so a lot of people who wander in here aren't really lazy after all – they're trying to save the planet! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7823387.stm |
| [08:15:45] | clever: | :D |
| [08:16:10] | justinh: | but hang on, what kind of BULL is that article spouting? A typical desktop computer, doing TWO google searches uses as much electricity as it takes to boil a kettle? BULLS**T!!! |
| [08:16:43] | justinh: | how many PCs pull 1300W from the mains in the time it takes to enter 2 search queries? |
| [08:17:20] | kormoc: | they're saying Google's servers/network infrastructure/etc uses that much energy |
| [08:17:52] | justinh: | yeah but how many users are availing themselves of the facility? ;) |
| [08:18:57] | clever: | "In fact, in the time it takes to do a Google search, your own personal computer will use more energy than we will use to answer your query." |
| [08:19:07] | wagnerrp: | i dare say that in the time it takes for a user to run two queries (0.12s), the data center youre using consumes enough power to boil a kettle of water |
| [08:19:19] | justinh: | more than likely |
| [08:19:29] | justinh: | but the wording isn't clear enough |
| [08:19:53] | wagnerrp: | of course they could mean the amount of power needed to turn that copper kettle into plasma |
| [08:20:00] | wagnerrp: | in effect, 'boiling the kettle' |
| [08:20:04] | clever: | :D |
| [08:20:14] | justinh: | lol |
| [08:20:47] | justinh: | I'm sick of all these pseudo-science news stories now |
| [08:21:47] | clever: | im about 10 hops from a google server |
| [08:22:20] | clever: | so thats 10 servers, a cisco switch, a linksys router, and a dsl modem just to ping the thing |
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| [08:23:42] | wagnerrp: | the router and the modem probably count as hops |
| [08:23:55] | clever: | the linksys router is being abused as a switch |
| [08:24:03] | clever: | the 1st hop is the linux router |
| [08:24:30] | wagnerrp: | so... the router and the modem probably count as hops |
| [08:24:40] | clever: | the traceroute went allong this rough path |
| [08:24:43] | wagnerrp: | unless you happen to have a dsl modem in your PC |
| [08:24:48] | wagnerrp: | PCI card |
| [08:25:17] | clever: | theP4->dlink(router)->linksys(router)->cisco(switch)->real_router(li nux desktop)->cisco->dsl modem->dslam->isp |
| [08:25:20] | clever: | 1 newrouter (10.0.0.3) 0.547 ms 0.632 ms 0.797 ms |
| [08:25:21] | clever: | 2 loop0.16w.ba03.fctn.nb.aliant.net (142.166.182.18) 201.809 ms 202.995 ms 203.423 ms |
| [08:25:42] | clever: | that counts as 2 hops acording to traceroute, which cant count the hops within the ethernet layer |
| [08:27:01] | clever: | the dsl modem is basicaly a dumb serial device receiving a stream thru pppoe |
| [08:27:14] | clever: | which then uses plain old ppp to simulate an ip link |
| [08:27:16] | kormoc: | and so the wikipedia quoting begins... |
| [08:27:36] | clever: | i havent quoted wikipedia yet:P |
| [08:27:55] | clever: | but the 'dumb' dsl modem is alot more complex then i first thought, since i discovered the telnet server it runs on 10.0.0.1 |
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| [08:28:16] | justinh: | ouch. seems my ISP must be doing something nasty. trace is getting lost somewhere |
| [08:29:00] | clever: | 6 gle1.asbn.va.aliant.net (207.231.227.34) 228.146 ms 220.673 ms 220.882 ms |
| [08:29:00] | clever: | over half my hops where inside the ISP |
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| [08:29:06] | wagnerrp: | for some reason im getting bounced to a data center on the other side of the US, before getting bounced around inside google a couple times |
| [08:29:19] | clever: | i get the same weird thing |
| [08:29:28] | justinh: | wagnerrp: somebody must be standing on one of the tubes |
| [08:29:32] | clever: | im on the east coast, yet one of the hops allways shows up in vancover |
| [08:29:51] | wagnerrp: | justinh: someone dropped an anchor somewhere in kansas |
| [08:30:27] | clever: | its like the entire east coast is routed thru vancover, which has a direct link to 2 places on this side |
| [08:30:28] | clever: | here->vancover->back here->towards dest |
| [08:30:28] | clever: | it feels more like a bad ip2location entry |
| [08:30:46] | kormoc: | I go to the local FIOS link in Seattle to level3 Seattle to level3 New York to google's NY datacenter, 22 hops |
| [08:31:14] | kormoc: | clever, other then traceroutes use reverse IP and thus don't do anything at all with ip2location crap? |
| [08:31:41] | clever: | i used to use neotrace under windows, which found the location of every hop and ploted them on a map |
| [08:31:52] | clever: | http://pastebin.ca/1306385 |
| [08:32:16] | wagnerrp: | i blame Level3 |
| [08:32:38] | wagnerrp: | my routing has been going to hell the last couple months |
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| [08:34:55] | clever: | when i check things on ip2location.com, im going canada->st. john nb canada->california->new york->california |
| [08:34:55] | clever: | that doesnt make any sense:P |
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| [08:35:10] | clever: | cali and ny are on oposite sides of the country, why go all the way back to ny, only to return to cali |
| [08:36:21] | kormoc: | because they know it's you |
| [08:37:54] | justinh: | it's like having callerid :) |
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| [08:54:49] | ** lyricnz kicks mythbackend in the nuts ** | |
| [08:54:55] | lyricnz: | Damn stupid fool thin |
| [08:55:53] | lyricnz: | Been flatlining one CPU since 1PM. Again, this is the 2–3rd time it did this |
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| [08:58:33] | Dibblah: | lyricnz: Backtrace? |
| [08:59:28] | lyricnz: | Unfortunately I've only been running my frontend in a debugger :) Not that anyone looked at that, from what I can tell. |
| [09:00:04] | lyricnz: | I'll get the debuginfo, and try again I guess ;( |
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| [09:10:25] | lyricnz: | Dibblah: if it didn't crash (just went into a high cpu death), how would I cause a backtrace? |
| [09:15:51] | Dibblah: | CTRL-c in GDB. |
| [09:16:24] | Dibblah: | Attach to the process, then hit CTRL-c. However, you need debugging symbols installed. |
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| [09:20:47] | pheld: | in cases where gdb is unable to attach you might also try to throw the process a SEGV signal |
| [09:21:29] | ** lyricnz googles "gdm attach to process" ** | |
| [09:21:34] | lyricnz: | gdb rather |
| [09:24:22] | pheld: | but you'd have to enable the system to save memory-dumps with "ulimit -c unlimited" (or specific size-limit) before the app is started to get anything useful. |
| [09:28:16] | pheld: | lyricnz: start GDB and attach to a running process "gdb <program> <Process-ID>". |
| [09:28:25] | pheld: | find the PID with ps first |
| [09:28:45] | ** lyricnz nods. Thanks. ** | |
| [09:30:07] | ** lyricnz has a frontend crash if anyone is interested. Looks like a free() problem in freetype, fwiw ** | |
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| [09:42:56] | Dibblah: | lyricnz: Again, backtrace :) |
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| [09:48:02] | ** justinh smacks ubuntu in the face for not playing mpeg out of the box ** | |
| [09:48:16] | justinh: | MUHHHHHHHHHHHHH, patents! |
| [09:48:46] | lyricnz: | Dibblah: yeah, I have one. Let me pastebin (again) |
| [09:49:29] | directhex: | justinh, the default media player apps on ubuntu will all offer to inrtall a required package the instant they're asked to play a file for which they lack codecs. pretty far down the list of problems |
| [09:49:42] | directhex: | justinh, compare to fedora or opensuse which have no mpeg full stop? |
| [09:49:43] | lyricnz: | http://pastebin.com/m59d51d95 |
| [09:50:56] | justinh: | directhex: not here |
| [09:51:07] | directhex: | justinh, which player? |
| [09:51:31] | justinh: | whatever the default load of shite is |
| [09:51:55] | directhex: | do you have all four repository types enabled in system/administration/software sources ? |
| [09:52:08] | justinh: | can't install vlc or mplayer or xine here cos that'll set off IT's AWOOGA AWOOGA DOWNLOADY alarm |
| [09:52:27] | justinh: | dunno |
| [09:52:38] | justinh: | their default player sucks arses anyway |
| [09:52:46] | Dibblah: | ... And yet your ssh tunneling action goes unnoticed. Hmmm. ;) |
| [09:52:47] | justinh: | gstreamer bollocks no doubt |
| [09:52:55] | directhex: | yes, gstreamer bollocks. |
| [09:53:06] | justinh: | Dibblah: it's more a matter of traffic volume |
| [09:54:40] | directhex: | if only there were some kind of media stack which let it download codecs minimally rather than needing fat monoliths |
| [09:55:21] | justinh: | I just hate gstreamer by default |
| [09:55:30] | Dibblah: | wget has a limit option. |
| [09:55:35] | justinh: | no rational reasoning. just hate it |
| [09:55:52] | justinh: | Dibblah: doesn't matter. they go by amount rather than rate |
| [09:55:53] | directhex: | you can install gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg for worst-of-both-worlds |
| [09:56:32] | directhex: | only about 200k, you could get away with that |
| [09:57:02] | justinh: | hate flash, hate python, hate gstreamer. :) |
| [09:57:10] | justinh: | hate users :) |
| [09:57:41] | ** Dibblah hates hating. ** | |
| [09:57:42] | directhex: | and your job |
| [09:58:00] | justinh: | it pays well though |
| [09:58:30] | lyricnz: | I need one of those... |
| [09:58:38] | ** justinh deletes GNAT ** | |
| [09:58:45] | lyricnz: | a well paying job that doesn't suck. the doesn't suck part is kindof optional. |
| [09:58:50] | justinh: | why are we still foisting that on people? |
| [09:58:59] | directhex: | justinh, for ADA powers! |
| [09:59:25] | justinh: | and anything with 'center' in the name. eew |
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| [10:10:52] | justinh: | programme details page in HTML? Now come on! What kind of crack are people smoking?! |
| [10:11:07] | directhex: | justinh, ? |
| [10:12:00] | justinh: | http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/19649 |
| [10:13:14] | justinh: | is that to make way for re-doing mythfrontend in flash? -O |
| [10:13:25] | justinh: | craziness |
| [10:13:45] | justinh: | if that change ends up staying, count me out. I don't do webpage design |
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| [10:19:17] | Dibblah: | justinh: It's already been commented on. |
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| [10:28:38] | ** justinh falls asleep waiting for "Connecting to puzzle.dl.sourceforge.net|195.141.111.5|:80..." ** | |
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| [11:41:29] | justinh: | eew. ethernet to be added to HDMI. Yet another 'your current HDMI gear is now junk' proclamation |
| [11:41:52] | sid3windr: | hehwtf |
| [11:42:57] | justinh: | oh and they're adding upstream audio, so a TV can send audio to an external receiver |
| [11:43:22] | justinh: | makes you wonderhow come they didn't think of this stuff in the first place |
| [11:43:27] | justinh: | instead of afterthoughts 4.0 |
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| [11:58:09] | doc__: | hi there |
| [12:12:19] | Dibblah: | <sigh>. "I use <illegal unlicensed software> to get EIT data". |
| [12:12:40] | Dibblah: | ... Except that EIT is in the clear on most providers. |
| [12:22:23] | mchou: | what? |
| [12:22:34] | mchou: | where's this? |
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| [12:33:07] | sid3windr: | it's in the clear |
| [12:33:11] | sid3windr: | doesn't mean the software is always free |
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| [13:04:42] | dustybin: | I have created a Postfix mail server + Squirrelmail howto, works perfectly, been tested in vmware, you could stick this on your backend box :P http://worldbeyond.net/archives/652 |
| [13:06:14] | justinh: | you could just stick it |
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| [13:07:20] | dustybin: | *warning* the mythtv howto will be next on the list.. |
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| [13:35:26] | rooaus: | Just updated tonight, anyone noticing "weirdness" with remote input when watching recordings, the button presses seem to get delayed and/or dropped. When this happens it seems to block input from the keyboard. |
| [13:35:47] | laga: | rooaus: trunk? |
| [13:35:49] | rooaus: | irw shows the button presses to be occuring when expected |
| [13:36:11] | rooaus: | laga: Yeah, sorry should know better ;) |
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| [13:38:46] | rooaus: | Interestingly things seemed OK when first entering the recording but over time the problem occurs, will look into it tomorrow. |
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| [14:40:41] | justinh: | hrm. still not 3.30 yet |
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| [14:47:30] | sphery: | rooaus: GreyFoxx was seeing the same issue... I think he's (at least partially) debugged it a bit. |
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| [15:38:55] | iamlindoro_: | gbee, Heh, yeah, I found that site-- good source for similar material for games, too |
| [15:39:45] | iamlindoro_: | between HTBackdrops for Games/Music/Photos, TTVDB for TV, and TMDB for movies, that would be more or less a source of backdrops for all the "main" stuff |
| [15:40:40] | iamlindoro_: | especially if two of the three end up using the same API |
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| [15:50:26] | gbee: | just needs someone to add support to mythmusic/watch recordings :) |
| [15:50:46] | gbee: | which I genuinely hope happens for 0.22 |
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| [16:16:25] | Lokiase: | Hello, can someone tell me how to configure/find my NAS (via samba?) in mythtv, so I can watch my movies on it? |
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| [16:19:18] | iamlindoro___: | gbee: When Anduin finishes he work on the MythVideo part I will happily take a run at Music/PBB following his approach (though obviously no promises at my success) |
| [16:19:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | Lokiase: Configure it in Samba, then add that directory to mythvideo's list of paths and do a scan for videos. |
| [16:19:35] | iamlindoro___: | s/he/his/ |
| [16:20:21] | Lokiase: | J-e-f-f-A: how do I configure samba? |
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| [16:23:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | Lokiase: Most distributions have a GUI – running "system-config-samba" from a shell prompt will usually start it. Google has a wealth of information too... |
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| [16:30:29] | defaultro: | Good morning folks. Can we watch cartoonnetwork on the internet? Is there a site that provides it? |
| [16:31:30] | iamlindoro___: | doubtful |
| [16:31:42] | iamlindoro___: | might check hulu to see if there's some content there |
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| [16:34:02] | Lokiase: | J-e-f-f-A wat do I have to do in samba? |
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| [16:38:48] | Lokiase: | can someone tell me how I can add a directory of my western digital mybook LAN on mythtv? |
| [16:40:10] | iamlindoro: | Lokiase: Configuration of Samba is a little bit outside of the scope of this room, you may want to check with #yourdistro to get it mounted locally first, then return for more help |
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| [16:45:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro_: Gee, would be nice to get to this level of LCD support with Myth... Sure wouldn't happen with 'lcdproc' though! ;-) http://graphlcd.berlios.de/images/glcd240x128_action.gif |
| [16:46:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro_: more 'real-life' examples here ("Some images" section) http://serdisplib.sourceforge.net/ser/ks0108.html |
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| [16:48:11] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A: neat |
| [16:49:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Yeah, not for everybody, but for those with LCDs, would offer increased 'curb appeal'... ;-) |
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| [16:57:21] | thl: | i have just installed mythtv 0.21 on Ubuntu Hardy, everyting seems to work, except one thing. when i schedule something for recording it doesn't create a file, but in the log it says i recording |
| [16:57:46] | thl: | any suggestions? :-) |
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| [17:03:03] | defaultro: | just got back. Thanks iamlindoro! |
| [17:03:53] | defaultro: | is there any hulu plugin for myth? |
| [17:03:58] | Anduin: | thl: try running the backend with -v most, if that doesn't reveal anything, pastebin that version of the log (just the portion from a bit before the recording started on) |
| [17:05:56] | jedi__: | boxee does hulu pretty well but it's not exactly a plugin. |
| [17:06:23] | thl: | Anduin: i'll try tha, thank you |
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| [17:06:46] | iamlindoro: | defaultro: There is something for watching Hulu that's sort of cobbled together from scripts, see MythVodka in the wiki |
| [17:07:07] | iamlindoro: | In the medium term when/if Qt 4.5 becomes a pre-requisite doing Hulu should become quite easy in Myth |
| [17:07:15] | defaultro: | cool |
| [17:13:19] | defaultro: | I'm seeing that 0.7 is the latest version. Is that correct? |
| [17:15:13] | iamlindoro: | Of MythVodka? No idea |
| [17:16:38] | gbee: | is it just me, or are more and more people being redirected to boxee/xbmc etc from here? |
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| [17:20:02] | defaultro: | gbee? huh |
| [17:21:37] | notyjoey: | got a bit of a problem, mythweb says i am currently recording a show |
| [17:21:46] | notyjoey: | but when i load any of my myth frontends |
| [17:21:49] | notyjoey: | i dont see it |
| [17:22:20] | Anduin: | notyjoey: and the upcoming recordings page? |
| [17:22:31] | gbee: | defaultro: just noticed that in here and the users list (when I read it), there are a lot of people talking about boxee/xbmc and suggesting to others that they try one of those instead of mythfronted |
| [17:22:35] | notyjoey: | actually, weird, the backend status page |
| [17:22:39] | notyjoey: | doesnt say its recording |
| [17:22:47] | notyjoey: | but the upcoming recording page |
| [17:22:48] | notyjoey: | does |
| [17:23:16] | notyjoey: | Encoder 1 is local on storage1 and is watching Live TV: 'Rachael Ray' on CITY. This recording will end at 12:00 PM. |
| [17:23:16] | notyjoey: | Encoder 2 is local on storage1 and is not recording. |
| [17:23:19] | thl: | Anduin: http://pastebin.com/m5e892619 |
| [17:23:22] | gbee: | and whilst there are times when those are appropriate, it's not always the case :) |
| [17:23:31] | jedi__: | mythfrontend doesn't handle hulu |
| [17:23:37] | notyjoey: | Tuner #1 Star Trek: Deep Space Nine: The Sons of Mogh 50 – Space: The Imagination Station Mon Jan 12, 2009 (12:00 PM) 1 hr Currently Recording: Edit |
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| [17:23:43] | jedi__: | the relevant plugins do a poor job in general. |
| [17:23:58] | jedi__: | mythstream and such. |
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| [17:24:23] | shadash: | gbee: when .22 comes out people with recommend myth frontend again |
| [17:24:51] | jedi__: | OTOH, boxee has it's own problems (music and video mainly) |
| [17:24:53] | shadash: | they just need to see the sparkely stuff |
| [17:25:02] | sid3windr: | bring on .22 ! |
| [17:25:03] | sid3windr: | :] |
| [17:25:13] | jedi__: | even non-sparkly working stuff would be good. |
| [17:25:36] | iamlindoro: | gbee: Hey, *I'm* trying to keep it in the family ;) |
| [17:26:17] | thl: | Anduin: i can't see any problems in the log, and there is still no file |
| [17:26:30] | iamlindoro: | Anyway, as mentioned before, With MythVodka Myth *does* do Hulu-- it's just not likely to be the permanent solution |
| [17:27:00] | shadash: | ugh the travel services website my company uses to book travel is down right now and won't be online until 2300 PST |
| [17:27:21] | defaultro: | jedi, i had luck with mythstream before but not on hd |
| [17:27:32] | shadash: | what kind of a web services business doens't have a production and testing website? |
| [17:27:38] | defaultro: | but it was a very complex configuration |
| [17:27:41] | defaultro: | it was not user friendly |
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| [17:28:19] | defaultro: | i read that mythvodka is the old mythstream |
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| [17:29:02] | ** sid3windr really has no clue what "Hulu" is ;/ ** | |
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| [17:32:27] | Anduin: | thl: It looks like the signal monitor never sees a signal on that channel |
| [17:33:16] | Anduin: | I'd have to look at the code to be sure but it also looks like the channel is encrypted |
| [17:50:54] | Anduin: | iamlindoro: have you tried loadPage() in the ui web component's Finalize()? |
| [17:52:14] | Anduin: | (which is almost the worst name ever for that function) |
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| [17:55:20] | thl: | Anduin: the channel is unencrypted, and it works in mplayer |
| [17:55:44] | thl: | Anduin: and mythtv-setup gets a locked signal |
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| [17:56:34] | iamlindoro: | Anduin: Yeah-- Have tried a number of things that compile okay, but no real result |
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| [17:57:30] | iamlindoro: | Anduin: Also noticed the somewhat nasty behavior that if you define a <webbrowser> object before you define a buttonlist with statetypes, it will segfault the frontend on the first keypress |
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| [17:59:45] | Anduin: | iamlindoro: It isn't just any time it has focus? |
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| [18:02:33] | iamlindoro: | Anduin: More or less, I defined a <webbrowser> object in my menu-ui.xml where I defined my clock (prior to the buttonlist)... First buttonpress causes a segfault. Moved it to after the buttonlist and there's no segfault (but the webbrowser object never appears either) So yeah, I guess it's probably focus, now that you mention it |
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| [18:08:01] | iamlindoro: | Anduin: Actually, upon looking at it again I guess I haven't tried in Finalize(); Will toy with that this afternoon, thanks |
| [18:08:42] | thl: | Anduin: in which line is the code from the signal monitor thaqt you are talking about? |
| [18:08:48] | Anduin: | Ok, if it doesn't work I'll look at it tonight |
| [18:09:17] | iamlindoro: | Anduin: Nice, thanks! I hope it works... the whole widget has some spots that really make me scratch my head |
| [18:09:23] | iamlindoro: | (more than usual) |
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| [18:15:47] | meshe: | if you build mythtv from source does it do anything to the existing database? or does it determine that one exists and leave it alone (except for alters)? |
| [18:16:41] | iamlindoro: | If you point it at the existing DB and it's an earlier schema, it will update to the latest schema (which is non-revertable) |
| [18:17:01] | iamlindoro: | but which DB and DB Host it uses is up to the user (as set in mysql.txt/config.xml) |
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| [18:22:42] | dherman: | Has anyone had a problem with the internal player causing X to lockup while using VDPAU? (with trunk, obviously) |
| [18:23:17] | iamlindoro: | Using VDPAU period is to be expected. It will hard lock X frequently on material that makes it sad |
| [18:23:24] | iamlindoro: | par for the course (and nothing to do with Myth) |
| [18:23:54] | iamlindoro: | er s/is to be/it is to be/ |
| [18:24:11] | dherman: | iamlindoro, it only happens with the internal mythplayer (in mythvideo)... mplayer is solid |
| [18:24:29] | iamlindoro: | myth is using a number of feature mplayer hasn't even begun to look at |
| [18:24:43] | iamlindoro: | deinterlace/compositing/etc. |
| [18:24:56] | iamlindoro: | Myth still can't lock X, that will *always* be a driver issue |
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| [18:26:16] | mustangg: | hello all.. |
| [18:26:52] | mustangg: | dagmar – thanks again for yesterdays fix, it works nicely. I wonder though, why the flag -display isn't working for me.. |
| [18:28:34] | wagnerrp: | '-display'? |
| [18:29:50] | mustangg: | yeah. I tried all kinds of variations on "-display=:0",":0.0",etc but none are accepted to push myth to my second X session. |
| [18:30:04] | wagnerrp: | csh or bash? |
| [18:30:50] | mustangg: | I need to check but I ended up using dagmar's suggestion of "DISPLAY=.. myth.." instead |
| [18:30:53] | Dagmar: | Probably because no one ever bothered to code that functionality in, or they expect the value to be in a different format |
| [18:30:58] | sphery: | mustangg: I'd bet your "second X session" isn't a second X session and it's simply a second screen on a single X display... |
| [18:31:06] | wagnerrp: | csh or bash? |
| [18:31:12] | sphery: | mustangg: if so, you'd need DISPLAY=:0.1 |
| [18:31:22] | sphery: | (most people who think they're running "multiple X sessions" aren't) |
| [18:31:32] | wagnerrp: | if you use csh, that syntax wont work |
| [18:31:55] | Dagmar: | Someday we'll come up with a cure for both csh and ksh |
| [18:31:58] | sphery: | well, the important part I was mentioning was the ".1" part |
| [18:32:01] | mustangg: | wagnerrp – need to check .. but spherey may be right.. I'm using nvidia with xinerama disabled. |
| [18:32:12] | wagnerrp: | are you using twinvideo? |
| [18:32:26] | sphery: | twinvideo = xinerama-like-ilk |
| [18:32:59] | sphery: | (and many people are running xinerama-like configurations without realizing it) |
| [18:33:23] | mustangg: | no twinhead, I turned it off as wagnerrp suggestd then followed dagmars answer |
| [18:34:14] | wagnerrp: | well then you should have screens :0.0 and :0.1 |
| [18:34:25] | mustangg: | yes. |
| [18:34:36] | wagnerrp: | if the inline set doesnt work, try an 'export DISPLAY=:0.1' |
| [18:34:51] | sphery: | but if it's 2 different X sessions, it would be displays :0 and :1 |
| [18:35:01] | wagnerrp: | or if youre using csh and friends, 'setenv DISPLAY :0.1' |
| [18:35:15] | sphery: | is anyone friends with csh? |
| [18:35:37] | wagnerrp: | sphery: AFAIK, nvidia cards are not capable of running multiple x sessions |
| [18:36:19] | mustangg: | no, DISPLAY did the trick. . |
| [18:36:23] | sphery: | that may be... I seldom even run 1 X session on my systems |
| [18:36:32] | sphery: | which DISPLAY? |
| [18:36:32] | wagnerrp: | at least last time i tried to multi-seat on an nvidia card, i failed horribly |
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| [18:36:51] | mustangg: | DISPLAY=:0.0 or 0.1 worked. |
| [18:36:57] | sphery: | yeah, I'm just kind of baffled as to why so many people say they're not using xinerama when they are |
| [18:37:12] | sphery: | and contend they're using multiple X sessions |
| [18:37:27] | sphery: | it's amazing how many tickets in the bug database say they're not when they are |
| [18:37:50] | mustangg: | well I disabled it, but the panel specifically shows as two X. |
| [18:37:59] | sphery: | (and, yes, I'm using xinerama in a general sense that includes things like twinview) |
| [18:38:23] | wagnerrp: | the panel? meaning youre doing this in some GUI application? |
| [18:38:28] | sphery: | mustangg: and, that would explain it--GUI tools that don't tell the user what's actually happening, but try to simplify it for them |
| [18:39:02] | wagnerrp: | general rule, if youre using a GUI in linux, you usually have no idea what the system is actually doing |
| [18:39:09] | sphery: | mustangg: btw, I'm not trying to attack/challenge you, I'm really just wondering what gives so many people the idea that they're running 2 separate X sessions |
| [18:39:13] | mustangg: | Nvidia's proprietary control center. |
| [18:39:54] | mustangg: | Hey if I knew enough to do this X stuff directly I would so no insult taken. |
| [18:40:38] | sphery: | I think in NVIDIA's parlance, "disabling Xinerama" means "using our proprietary extension of Xinerama, called TwinView, rather than using the official Xinerama extension" |
| [18:40:54] | Dagmar: | Actually, it's not that hard to do. |
| [18:40:59] | sphery: | which is fine--TwinView has a lot of benefits over plain Xinerama--but it's still basically Xinerama |
| [18:41:10] | Dagmar: | You just have to be willing to roll up your sleeves and write some stanzas in xorg.conf yourself |
| [18:41:24] | pheld: | Nvidia doesn't formally support xinerama anymore. use twinview instead |
| [18:41:35] | wagnerrp: | or even easier, just do an 'X -configure', copy edit as needed |
| [18:42:09] | wagnerrp: | i was under the impression there was no need for drivers to support Xinerama |
| [18:42:12] | sphery: | Dagmar: and be willing to start/attempt to start and restart X a bunch of times :) |
| [18:43:37] | sphery: | Actually, Xinerama is being deprecated in X.org. In the future, anyone wanting it's capabilities will have to use XRandR, instead. |
| [18:43:43] | mustangg: | my worry is blowing away my config so badly that I can't restart X ..other than that I do as much at cli as I generally can. |
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| [18:43:56] | sphery: | but, regardless, they're all still doing the same thing--and have nothing to do with running 2 X sessions |
| [18:44:24] | Dagmar: | sphery; I only had to do it once |
| [18:44:36] | Dagmar: | I was a little irked by how simple it actually was. |
| [18:44:36] | sphery: | mustangg: using the nvidia app is fine... again, I was only curious why so many people get the wrong idea |
| [18:44:46] | Anduin: | thl: my guess is tv_rec.cpp:3518 in trunk |
| [18:44:49] | sphery: | Dagmar: but that's you |
| [18:45:17] | Dagmar: | sphery: no, I mean it actually is pretty simple. If you flat out tell X about two video cards and two displays and make sure to tell it their relation to each other, you've done 90% of the work |
| [18:46:06] | sphery: | Yeah, but someone just starting with X--perhaps never having looked at an XF86Config/xorg.conf before--might be a bit overwhelmed. And, people between the 2 extremes will often make mistakes. |
| [18:46:29] | Dagmar: | Ph yeah they'd be screwed |
| [18:47:07] | wagnerrp: | well, you can pull up the xorg.conf directly in the nvidia configurator |
| [18:47:13] | pheld: | no wonder the design goal for x.org is to make the conf obsolete |
| [18:47:17] | wagnerrp: | make changes, see what it does to the conf.... |
| [18:47:23] | sphery: | After all, I got a new mouse and had to do about 10 trial-and-error restarts of X (to find out that the evdev driver version I have has a bug when used with certain newer Logitech mice). So, even if you do everything right, X may not start. :) |
| [18:47:36] | laga: | evdev. *shiver* |
| [18:47:50] | sphery: | laga: is there a newer/better thing? |
| [18:48:02] | sphery: | (I had to go back to the old mouse driver, so now many of my buttons don't work) |
| [18:48:27] | sphery: | Really, I'll eventually be upgrading X, but it will be as part of a complete system overhaul on all systems on the network. |
| [18:48:30] | laga: | sphery: no clue. i had to use it for my multiseat setup. and hotplugging didn't really work back then |
| [18:48:48] | sphery: | ah |
| [18:49:09] | laga: | and then when i upgraded ubuntu, the config syntax changed.. and i was a sad panda. |
| [18:49:30] | sphery: | yeah, the changing config syntax is always fun |
| [18:49:34] | laga: | yup |
| [18:49:39] | jams: | took me an hour to figure out that I needed dbus running for my mouse/keyboard to work with xorg 1.5 |
| [18:49:56] | sphery: | but I'd argue far better than the "try to support DOS 3.x as long as possible" approach some others take :) |
| [18:50:02] | laga: | one reason why i've become increasingly scared of upgrades. this laptop is going to stay on hardy for a while. especially because kde 3.x is no more :) |
| [18:50:28] | pheld: | isn't the old x-input modules (kbd/mouse/joystick etc) obsolete already now that everything is going via HAL? |
| [18:50:31] | sphery: | jams: Why did the mouse cross the screen? To get to dbus on the other side. |
| [18:50:39] | laga: | sphery: ouch |
| [18:50:44] | ** Dagmar stabs sphery to death. ** | |
| [18:51:05] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i agree, thats worth a stabbing |
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| [18:51:11] | jams: | that was awful |
| [18:51:22] | laga: | godlike |
| [18:51:27] | sphery: | pheld: it should be obsolete (but it actually works for the mouse and is easier than upgrading X on a system that's about to be completely reinstalled) |
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| [18:56:04] | wagnerrp: | ugh |
| [18:56:32] | wagnerrp: | seems the nightly maintenance scripts cause too much disk load |
| [18:57:01] | wagnerrp: | it wiped out my iscsi terminator long enough for my frontends to lock up last night |
| [18:59:59] | pheld: | is it common that the frontend toggles interlacing on/off every few sec with vdpau? |
| [19:00:48] | GreyFoxx: | No, but if the content contains a mix of progressive and interlaced frames it can happens. |
| [19:01:04] | GreyFoxx: | I use to see it a lot in my QAM recordings of the simpsons from 1 specific channel |
| [19:01:09] | pheld: | http://pastebin.ca/1306683 is log output from watching a mpeg2 channel showing this (line 298 onwards) |
| [19:01:23] | wagnerrp: | GreyFoxx: flipping between 720p and 1080i? |
| [19:01:50] | sphery: | probably syndicated episodes |
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| [19:02:04] | wagnerrp: | or TC'd content? |
| [19:02:48] | sphery: | yeah, just meaning a channel that may be interlaced (i.e. not a Fox 720p channel--especially since Fox probably doesn't exist where he is?) |
| [19:03:15] | pheld: | GreyFoxx: agree, it result varies across channels. The lowest quality (4/3 format) get the worst result. |
| [19:03:17] | GreyFoxx: | wagnerrp: No, it was SDTV mpeg2 flipping from interlaced and progressive frames |
| [19:03:53] | ** GreyFoxx has Fox in HD :) ** | |
| [19:04:04] | GreyFoxx: | but that particular channel was fox in sdtv |
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| [19:08:12] | domenag: | hey, i only wanna ask if someone can give me a link to a good list for tv-cards that function on mythtv on knoppmyth, plx |
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| [19:11:10] | Dagmar: | I guess he didn't really need that list after all |
| [19:11:24] | kormoc: | nah, he decided to bug #mythtv |
| [19:12:05] | dherman: | domenag look in the wiki http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Hardware |
| [19:12:15] | kormoc: | dherman, he left the room |
| [19:12:40] | dustybin: | '^[+]kormo{1,}c' |
| [19:12:44] | dherman: | kormoc... my irc client did not show.. sorry... |
| [19:13:54] | kormoc: | is it bad when my first reaction to dustybin for the day is 'Go die in a fire'? |
| [19:14:09] | dustybin: | :( |
| [19:14:29] | kormoc: | having my pattern modified so early in the morning isn't so nice... |
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| [19:14:49] | dustybin: | pattern? |
| [19:15:00] | dustybin: | oh i see |
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| [19:31:33] | domenag: | sorry, i was throw out of this channel^^ |
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| [19:35:15] | iamlindoro: | Anduin: Paulh appears to concur about how to load the page-- d'oh! I basically had it surrounded, had tried the loadpage in a few other spots but seem to have gotten it wrong-- oh well, hopefully it'll all be working this afternoon when I get home to test :) |
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| [19:35:59] | jduggan: | \o/ |
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| [19:44:57] | domenag: | can someone give me a linklist of tv-cards for mythtv on knoppmyth, too? |
| [19:45:23] | Josh_Borke: | domenag: i would just look on the mythtv wiki |
| [19:45:43] | Josh_Borke: | domenag: also, card recommendations depend on your configuration and where you live |
| [19:46:09] | Josh_Borke: | domenag: for instance, if you live in the US and you receive your television over the air you should get a digital receiver |
| [19:46:47] | iamlindoro: | www.linuxtv.org/wiki |
| [19:47:05] | domenag: | thx |
| [19:48:20] | domenag: | i tried it with an old pinnacle card, but it doesn't function |
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| [19:50:17] | domenag: | ok, thx cu |
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| [19:52:39] | wagnerrp: | 'old pinnacle cards' will either be framegrabbers (which you dont want to use), or digital card (which should show up in /dev/dvb/adaptor0) |
| [19:52:46] | iamlindoro: | Wowie, someone who is actually *volunteering* to document MythUI |
| [19:54:29] | justinh: | iamlindoro: I've done a leetle teeny bit already |
| [19:54:54] | iamlindoro: | justinh: Had planned to start breaking down a bit myself-- done privately, or wikiside? |
| [19:54:58] | justinh: | iamlindoro: I saw the march of a new flash based UI has started, with the introduction of html in themes |
| [19:55:04] | iamlindoro: | haha |
| [19:55:13] | iamlindoro: | um... yeah, no comment |
| [19:55:40] | justinh: | iamlindoro: I did something in the wiki.. covered buttonlist & stuff in menu-ui.xml |
| [19:57:11] | justinh: | planned to do loads more but you know how it is |
| [19:57:54] | domenag: | yes but linux doesn't show the tuner, only composite |
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| [20:00:41] | hadees: | sweet, i think i just found my bedroom case, http://www.atechfabrication.com/products/BD-2 . . . 20Player.htm although I hope i can switch out the bluray drive for just a standard dvd one |
| [20:01:20] | mustangg: | sphery – here's a screen cap from that nvidia panel I mentioned earlier .. http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/5106/nvidiaxdisplaytl3.png |
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| [20:01:31] | sphery: | there's a lot of mailing list getting in to the bug database, lately (especially on a few specific tickets--DVB S2, R5000, MythMovies grabber, ...) |
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| [20:03:57] | sphery: | mustangg: hmmm... perhaps the "Separate X screen" is seen by some as "Separate X session" (by those who don't understand that screen != display and session (definitely) != screen != display)... I'll admit that if you don't know/aren't used to X it's difficult to figure out how all those words relate. |
| [20:04:12] | sphery: | mustangg: anyway, thanks for the screen shot. it explains a lot |
| [20:04:34] | justinh: | iamlindoro: what we could really do with isn't just a breakdown of every widget – we've always needed to have explanations of every possible option so people can see without picking code to bits :) |
| [20:05:43] | justinh: | but that will obviously involve somebody looking in the code to find out in the 1st place |
| [20:05:52] | sphery: | also shows why people are so adamant about not using Xinerama... If only they knew that TwinView (which is what that's configuring--either TwinView or "classic" Xinerama) should be treated as Xinerama for all purposes of discussion/bug finding in Myth |
| [20:06:07] | mustangg: | yeah well with you guys helping me, I can _see_ the difference now as well.. :\ |
| [20:06:37] | mustangg: | not to say I'll be question-free from now one : |
| [20:06:39] | mustangg: | ) |
| [20:07:39] | mustangg: | the other thing is that nvidia is using the automated configuration which specifically warns about customingzing. |
| [20:08:21] | mustangg: | ie: will clear anything not done via the ui |
| [20:08:54] | janneg: | sphery: unless someone disables the twinview xinerama extension. Video walls are the only case where that might make sense though |
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| [20:11:57] | sphery: | janneg: yeah, I'm not saying people should use Xinerama instead of twinview. I've just been wondering why we see so many people who are adamant about the fact that they're not using Xinerama (and therefore won't touch the XineramaScreen/XineramaMonitorAspectRatio settings) when they still have DISPLAYS :0.0 and :0.1. They tend to insist they have 2 separate X sessions, so it doesn't apply. |
| [20:12:12] | iamlindoro: | justinh: Heh, I only learned what the opposite of scrolltype center was the other day ;) |
| [20:12:34] | iamlindoro: | Prior to that it was scrolltype center and... erm... the one that you get when you don't set scrolltype |
| [20:12:54] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, scrolltype middle? :P |
| [20:13:06] | thefRont: | nuvexport uses a temporary directory to store files while transcoding. can anyone tell me where to find it? |
| [20:13:08] | iamlindoro: | justinh: Anyway, if no objections I will try to help out a bit with that when I'm hurting for something to do |
| [20:13:14] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: heh, "free" |
| [20:13:14] | janneg: | sphery: sessions or screens? |
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| [20:13:32] | justinh: | iamlindoro: I never object to anybody doing stuff on my to-do list ;) |
| [20:13:47] | sphery: | janneg: they say sessions, but they mean screens... |
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| [20:14:30] | kormoc: | sphery, easy way to prove it, 'Shutdown one but not the other' |
| [20:14:39] | sphery: | heh |
| [20:14:55] | janneg: | sphery: ah, completely misguided |
| [20:15:15] | sphery: | kormoc: you obviously think in more of a horizontal vs vertical approach than I... I thought the opposite of center was "squished on the 2 sides" |
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| [20:16:26] | khunt: | where are the connection settings for a front end saved? Mythtv crashes cos I was buggering about with my frontend on my laptop at work today |
| [20:16:35] | sphery: | janneg: Yeah, I'm now thinking it's the lack of information on these GUI tools that leads to the confusion. I just know something must be responsible because of the sheer number/percentage of users who are similarly misguided. |
| [20:16:43] | GreyFoxx: | khunt: Check ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt or config.xml |
| [20:17:32] | kormoc: | sphery, Heh, it's totally because I deal with web browsers so much. They infect my thinking far deeper then I like to admit at times |
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| [20:18:25] | sphery: | So have you gotten to the Neo stage, yet? Where you walk around and see the HTML/CSS for the world around you? |
| [20:18:39] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [20:18:47] | kormoc: | Nah, I'm still alive :) |
| [20:18:58] | sphery: | stay away from those red pills, just in case |
| [20:20:39] | mustangg: | sphery/janneg – from a user point-of-view, I expect to believe what the screen presents under these type of circumstances.. why else use that type of tool if the info is wrong? |
| [20:21:32] | sphery: | maybe not wrong, but kind of lying by omission :) |
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| [20:24:57] | mustangg: | I've always thought that the UI was the computing version of management's "noone ever got fired for buying IBM". Let's_someone_ off the hook for WHATEVER. |
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| [20:27:15] | mustangg: | imagine the support calls.."well sir YOU did click on the NUKE-MY-COMPUTER option we made available"...! :) |
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| [21:12:31] | iamlindoro: | HAhahahahaha @ $300 mceusb |
| [21:13:03] | laga: | huh? |
| [21:13:39] | iamlindoro: | http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/01/12/amulet-r . . . -yell-at-it/ |
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| [21:14:22] | iamlindoro: | Just in case you want your HTPC possessed by Stephen Hawking |
| [21:14:25] | iamlindoro: | (watch the video) |
| [21:14:34] | laga: | i don't want my remote to be activated when i'm yelling at eclipse |
| [21:16:09] | iamlindoro: | Cue first person asking if it can be used with LIRC in 3...2... |
| [21:16:29] | RyeBrye: | "Amulet, configure yourself with LIRC" |
| [21:17:07] | iamlindoro: | "Amulet, get me a beer. Ugh, domestic?" |
| [21:17:09] | RyeBrye: | of all the messaging channels available between humans and computers, voice is probably one of the slowest and most expensive to use |
| [21:17:15] | meshe: | "!@#$#$% syntax error" Amulet "Recording Sex In The City" |
| [21:17:48] | RyeBrye: | not to mention least reliable |
| [21:18:35] | meshe: | voice control has some very good places IE: your car |
| [21:18:56] | iamlindoro: | Per 5:30 or so in the video, it only listens when tilted up |
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| [21:19:26] | meshe: | rented a car with Microsoft Sync, and loved the technology, plugged my iphone in and it worked beautifully |
| [21:19:51] | meshe: | and i still hate M$ |
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| [21:33:44] | justinh: | hrm.. recent trunk is saying SG(Default) Error: FindNextDirMostFree: '/video/videorec' does not exist! |
| [21:33:48] | justinh: | when it does :-\ |
| [21:36:09] | iamlindoro: | Do not question the trunk |
| [21:36:13] | iamlindoro: | obey the trunk |
| [21:36:18] | iamlindoro: | trunk will give you viddpows |
| [21:36:23] | iamlindoro: | obey |
| [21:36:36] | iamlindoro: | he trunk is mother |
| [21:36:39] | iamlindoro: | the trunk is father |
| [21:36:41] | iamlindoro: | obey |
| [21:36:45] | justinh: | is there a nobackup option or something? |
| [21:36:59] | justinh: | not fussed about the database, it's only my laptop dev system :) |
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| [21:39:57] | wagnerrp: | i dont get it.... we used to have a station 97.3 Z |
| [21:40:14] | wagnerrp: | they disbanded, 97.3 became country, the old staff moved to 94.9 Wave |
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| [21:40:23] | justinh: | The Wave! |
| [21:40:26] | wagnerrp: | and the station went downhill |
| [21:40:30] | justinh: | oops. that was Wave 103 |
| [21:40:30] | ** directhex waves ** | |
| [21:40:36] | justinh: | my fave station :) |
| [21:40:37] | wagnerrp: | now the wave has moved back to 97.3, and theyre good again |
| [21:40:45] | justinh: | wagnerrp: commercial radio is rank |
| [21:40:46] | ** directhex makes justinh listen to VCPR ** | |
| [21:40:59] | justinh: | haha. I also loved that station |
| [21:41:02] | justinh: | We need a river! |
| [21:41:05] | wagnerrp: | now where the country station went, i couldnt care |
| [21:41:25] | justinh: | this db stuff is mangling my head |
| [21:41:26] | directhex: | k-chat! |
| [21:42:14] | justinh: | I dumped the production backend's database, copied it over to this machine, changed some key values like hostnames & IP addresses.. then ran mythtv-setup & it's whining that stuff is wrong when it ain't |
| [21:42:33] | justinh: | maybe I'm missing some perl lib or other |
| [21:44:40] | wagnerrp: | heh... some french marketing spam made it onto one of the freebsd mailing lists |
| [21:46:20] | justinh: | wtf? now mythtv-setup is saying it wants to put stuff in /myth/tv |
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| [21:49:07] | justinh: | ahh I'd not updated storagegroup |
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| [21:55:26] | iamlindoro: | sphery: http://swik.net/Trolltech/Trolltech+Labs+Blog . . . e+Maps/b84lo |
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| [21:55:47] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Looks like the 4.4 qtwebkit has good enough javascript to do google maps, so that ought to enable some nice widgets |
| [21:55:55] | sphery: | nice |
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| [21:56:29] | justinh: | oh hell. keep javascript out of mythtv |
| [21:56:30] | ahughes: | no one actually said what is the clear winner here... USB or PCI for a DVB tuner? |
| [21:56:43] | justinh: | PCI |
| [21:56:59] | ahughes: | why's that justinh ? |
| [21:57:06] | justinh: | because USB sucks? |
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| [21:57:33] | sphery: | justinh: mainly for displaying web content from within MythTV (a la MythBrowser, but NG version) as the web seems to have gone all Web 2.0 and left HTML behind |
| [21:57:37] | iamlindoro: | justinh: There's no harm in embedding a webbrowser object in a theme to enable, for example, a mibbit connection to #mythtv-users for support |
| [21:57:39] | justinh: | suffers disconnects, tends to get pulled out accidentally.. |
| [21:58:06] | wagnerrp: | so you can type out errors with your remote? |
| [21:58:10] | sphery: | justinh: for theming/scripting in Myth, I'm sure the winner will be Qt Script |
| [21:58:33] | Shadow_M: | html5 seems to be a big push forward |
| [21:58:36] | ahughes: | what's myth written in py? |
| [21:58:40] | justinh: | qtscript? sounds icky |
| [21:58:44] | justinh: | ahughes: definitely not |
| [21:58:52] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Yes, because everyone using myth is using a remote exclusively |
| [21:59:02] | sphery: | ahughes: C++ (using the Qt framework) |
| [21:59:04] | ahughes: | if ya want web2.0 you should look at GWT... but you'd need to know java. |
| [21:59:14] | wagnerrp: | they should be... :P |
| [21:59:16] | justinh: | nobody _wants_ web 2.0 really |
| [21:59:21] | sphery: | exactly |
| [21:59:41] | justinh: | we've been told it's great, and it's been foisted upon us |
| [21:59:45] | wagnerrp: | ahughes: mythtv written in python is Gloss |
| [21:59:53] | ** iamlindoro loves everyones a-hole opinions ** | |
| [22:00:02] | justinh: | mythtv written in python is a one-man show |
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| [22:00:43] | ** ahughes better go buy some hardware real soon and start playing :) ** | |
| [22:01:11] | justinh: | iamlindoro: I don't mind the option of extra widgets etc.. I just have this orrible feeling they'll get abused |
| [22:01:24] | iamlindoro: | justinh: not my problem |
| [22:01:38] | justinh: | arghhh can't even build trunk plugins anymore |
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| [22:01:41] | elg: | hi, two computers here: falcon and gwythaint. falcon was the backend and frontend, then gwythaint was the frontend, and now i moved everything over to gwythaint. But it's still looking for the files that were recorded on falcon on the falcon backend (even when there is no falcon backend). i thought myth was supposed to automagically find the files when they move from one storage directory to another? |
| [22:01:43] | sphery: | make it something users can do (to themselves), and it's not a problem |
| [22:01:43] | justinh: | I've had enough for today |
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| [22:02:07] | justinh: | elg: not when hostname change |
| [22:02:11] | sphery: | elg: someone didn't do the proper hostname change procedure |
| [22:02:13] | justinh: | that's a barrel of fail |
| [22:02:17] | iamlindoro: | Guess I should expect the fact that with increasing involvement comes proportionately more "helpful" advice |
| [22:02:41] | elg: | justinh: ok. so how do I fix it? |
| [22:02:57] | iamlindoro: | Har har, gwy-taint |
| [22:03:01] | elg: | i guess i could set up a network filesystem and let videos fly back and forth across the lan |
| [22:03:36] | sphery: | elg: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Database . . . d_or_backend |
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| [22:04:04] | sphery: | elg: if you're just changing the hosts and keeping the old hostnames, use a temp name--i.e. change falcon to temporary then change gwythaint to falcon then change temporary to gwythaint |
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| [22:04:26] | elg: | no i'm moving all myth stuff to gwythaint |
| [22:04:32] | ahughes: | perhaps someone can help me with hardware choice... I want mandatory: 1. Very low standby power use, with "instant on", 2. HDMI (including sound out), 3. A DVB card where I don't have to use the default program with the card. 4. Blu Ray Drive. Plus I would *like* this to be quiet (I know its mostly the case and fan choice). Thats about it. |
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| [22:04:49] | elg: | will that mess anything up if I change falcon to gwythaint? or should I pick another name (with the same IP) for the move? |
| [22:04:49] | sphery: | elg: so falcon is getting removed from the system? |
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| [22:04:56] | elg: | yes |
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| [22:05:40] | sphery: | elg: you have to get rid of gwythaint before you change falcon to gwythaint--i.e. change gwythaint to notused then change falcon to gwythaint |
| [22:05:45] | iamlindoro: | I want a pony |
| [22:05:51] | sphery: | must choose a not-before-used hostname |
| [22:05:55] | iamlindoro: | I also want fecund females ready to service me |
| [22:06:19] | elg: | sphery: ok, but what about the couple of recordings that gwythaint has made since i made it the master backend? |
| [22:06:30] | elg: | maybe if i use an alias hostname? |
| [22:06:43] | sphery: | you'd have to fix those manually |
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| [22:07:35] | ahughes: | does linux have an "instant on" standby boot? |
| [22:07:38] | elg: | is it an entry in one table or will the hostnames be scattered across the database? |
| [22:07:53] | justinh: | ahughes: suspend to RAM. YMMV |
| [22:08:04] | justinh: | ahughes: and there ain't no playing BD discs directly in linux |
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| [22:09:05] | sphery: | they're scattered across the DB, but "fixing" the recordings is changing a single table (after all your hostname changes/reconfiguring for the new hardware): UPDATE recorded SET hostname = 'whatever' WHERE hostname = 'old_or_temp_hostname'; |
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| [22:09:25] | ahughes: | no BD in linux, that sux :'( |
| [22:09:33] | sphery: | BD sux |
| [22:09:34] | iamlindoro: | Hmm, qt 4.5 is now in beta |
| [22:09:39] | justinh: | ahughes: so write a player :) |
| [22:10:11] | elg: | sphery: could i just do that for the ones recorded on falcon? update recorded set hostname = 'gwythaint' where hostname = 'falcon' |
| [22:10:41] | justinh: | your best bet is never to change hostnames |
| [22:10:54] | sphery: | elg: when it comes to manually editing the DB, you're welcome to do what you want as long as you are prepared to live with the consequences |
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| [22:11:29] | sphery: | in other words, from my perspective, you're on your own once I find out you ran any SQL directly on your DB |
| [22:11:31] | elg: | i'm not afraid, if you think it'll work |
| [22:11:41] | sphery: | I won't guarantee anything of the kind |
| [22:11:47] | sphery: | I won't even suggest that it might |
| [22:12:00] | sphery: | but justinh's advice is the best--don't change hostnames |
| [22:12:09] | sphery: | so, if you move hardware, move the hostname |
| [22:12:16] | elg: | i didn't move hardware |
| [22:12:39] | sphery: | you moved your backend to new hardware (from falcon's hardware to gwythwhatever) |
| [22:12:40] | elg: | i got new hardware so I hooked the tv up to gwythaint instead. they're not just myth boxes either so changing hostnames is absolutely not an option |
| [22:16:21] | sphery: | that's what they called it... I've been trying to remember "Defective by Design" since my "BD sux" comment ( http://www.amazon.com/tag/defective by design --yes, amazon actually has spaces and doesn't properly encode them in the URI, but http://www.amazon.com/tag/defective+by+design should work for those looking to click) |
| [22:18:04] | dioporco: | does mythweb support http 206 ? |
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| [22:21:26] | sphery: | dioporco: TTBOMK, MythWeb and/or Apache httpd support it, but you'll be hard-pressed to find a client that does |
| [22:21:42] | sphery: | (I'm assuming you mean for seeking/jumping within streaming content) |
| [22:22:33] | sphery: | the hard part is guessing which bytes of the file correspond to the time you want to seek to |
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| [22:26:50] | kormoc: | 206 is only supported in mythweb with the mp4 streaming module currently |
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| [22:27:20] | kormoc: | it's easy enough to backport the fix to the rest of them, but no browsers/media players seem to use it other then the ipod/iphone (hence the support) |
| [22:27:56] | meshe: | is that only in trunk or 22-fixes? |
| [22:28:54] | gbee: | sphery: funny you should mention that, I've been trying to remember the slogan since the middle of last week, it was on the banner underneath which the Neuros stand was standing at LRL |
| [22:30:00] | gbee: | E_NOTENOUGHCOFFEE |
| [22:30:01] | directhex: | hm, PCIe devices |
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| [22:30:08] | ** meshe googles ** | |
| [22:30:12] | directhex: | my new backend only has 2 PCI slots, but also 2 free PCIe slots |
| [22:30:23] | directhex: | and PCIe device support is materializing |
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| [22:34:47] | sphery: | gbee: makes sense that they would use it to promote their system. If only they had the power to get rid of it for all of us. |
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| [22:36:10] | Tenkawa: | Anyone know off hand a good choice of linux compat tv cards that supports digital tv signals |
| [22:36:13] | Tenkawa: | ? |
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| [22:37:59] | smithzv: | I get these channels like 81–4 on Comcast, does anyone know how to get these things to play well with Schedules Direct line-ups? |
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| [22:41:28] | kormoc: | meshe, if you mean the 206, it's in -trunk only currently |
| [22:42:07] | sphery: | smithzv: use the channel editor associate the (schedules direct) xmltvid with the (scanned) channel |
| [22:42:29] | sphery: | smithzv: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XMLTV_Myth_Channel_Setup |
| [22:43:06] | sphery: | wow, Tenkawa is impatient (and didn't come back to -users after going to the dev channel) |
| [22:43:30] | stuarta: | just because i wouldn't tell him what card to buy |
| [22:43:37] | sphery: | maybe he found #linuxtv or whatever |
| [22:43:47] | stuarta: | a clue? unlikely. |
| [22:43:56] | gbee: | sphery: that's the thing, I can't be 100% sure but the positioning of the banner and the stand seemed to be coincidence, the banner was put up by the Open Rights Group afaik, but Neuros have always used their non-DRM/anti-DRM stance in their promotional material including what was available on the stand |
| [22:44:41] | gbee: | anyway, that little story isn't really important, it had just been bothering me because I couldn't remember "Defective by design" |
| [22:44:47] | sphery: | I love how any question can be a development question just by saying, "for development uses" or "this is so complex only a dev would know" or ... |
| [22:45:01] | sphery: | gbee: glad we both figured it out, then :) |
| [22:45:12] | stuarta: | it's not like devs don't hang out in here |
| [22:45:21] | sphery: | yeah |
| [22:45:35] | stuarta: | i mainly avoid it when i don't need the distraction |
| [22:45:35] | sphery: | but unfortunately, some think the I in IRC means "instant" |
| [22:45:59] | stuarta: | -users is spritely compared to the dev channel :) |
| [22:46:06] | sphery: | definitely true |
| [22:46:26] | stuarta: | answers within 2hrs are rapid :) |
| [22:46:29] | sphery: | even when I'm following -users, I tend to miss a lot of it |
| [22:46:42] | shadash: | .22 .22 .22 .22 (subliminal message... ) |
| [22:46:52] | sphery: | even the -users list is spritely compared to #mythtv |
| [22:46:53] | ** stuarta fires shotgun at shadash ** | |
| [22:47:05] | shadash: | you can't shoot a ghost |
| [22:47:25] | stuarta: | the -users list has far to high SNR for me |
| [22:47:39] | sphery: | I think the next release of Myth should be 1.0--for absolutely no reason--just to see how many write it up as "finally stable" or whatever |
| [22:47:51] | sphery: | only problem would be the influx of (likely unqualified) users |
| [22:48:05] | stuarta: | i'd disagree |
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| [22:48:29] | stuarta: | still loads of stuff todo |
| [22:48:52] | sphery: | true, but version numbers don't mean anything--regardless of the importance some give them |
| [22:49:08] | Scopeuk: | stuarta one could argue with somethign of the size and breth of a project like myth there will always be lots to do |
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| [22:49:30] | stuarta: | true true... |
| [22:49:52] | sphery: | smithzv: gave you the wrong link--for US channels: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XMLTV_ID |
| [22:50:17] | sphery: | too many similar pages (and the wrong ones came up first in the link) |
| [22:50:59] | sphery: | probably should be XMLTV setup/xmltvid with links to pages breaking it down by area |
| [22:51:01] | xris: | stuarta: I subscribe to -users and -dev lists, but filter out mythweb/nuvexport type stuff and ignore the rest |
| [22:51:03] | stuarta: | huh???? pressing swap to previous channel repeatedly, seem to have popped off a stack right back to the very first channel i was watching |
| [22:51:29] | stuarta: | as in, back through each and every channel, rather than swapping between the last 2 |
| [22:51:36] | sphery: | stuarta: there was just a fix for jump to previous channel stuff |
| [22:51:48] | gbee: | when the setup is easier, the new ui is done and a few other things, then I might consider myth worthy of a 1.0 tag |
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| [22:52:16] | sphery: | stuarta: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/19632 |
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| [22:52:38] | stuarta: | i'm on 19657 |
| [22:53:00] | sphery: | yeah, but I'm saying that perhaps it got broken unintentionally |
| [22:53:47] | gbee: | settings revamp needs to happen, currently some of the settings stuff is an embarrassment |
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| [22:54:49] | directhex: | gbee, myth is qt based. it's the rules, qt apps need 167865 settings screens! |
| [22:54:52] | gbee: | it's funny that no matter how many people seem to agree that setup needs to be more automated and the settings improved, no-one submits patches for that |
| [22:55:15] | sphery: | we're all waiting for you to convert it to mythui :) |
| [22:55:27] | gbee: | instead we get countless patches trying to add yet more pointless and weird settings |
| [22:55:28] | ** stuarta feels sorry for gbee ** | |
| [22:55:36] | sphery: | yeah |
| [22:55:44] | gbee: | don't |
| [22:56:02] | ** iamlindoro feels a little guilty for adding pointless and weird settings ** | |
| [22:56:51] | gbee: | heh, I wasn't aware you had, but shame on you ;) |
| [22:57:01] | iamlindoro: | Well, guess it depends who you ask |
| [22:57:09] | iamlindoro: | They've had a point to *me* |
| [22:57:31] | iamlindoro: | (Parental ratings from IMDB ratings, trailer playerback, play x trailers before movie, et al) |
| [22:57:53] | iamlindoro: | 720/1080 icons in PBB ;) ;) ;) |
| [22:58:44] | gbee: | well of those four, I'd probably agree with "play x trailers" ;) |
| [22:58:54] | iamlindoro: | Nobody's forced to use it |
| [22:59:27] | gbee: | iamlindoro: yeah and when we split the settings into Normal/Advanced then it doesn't even get in the way |
| [22:59:52] | kormoc: | you know... I really just hate settings... |
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| [23:00:03] | kormoc: | there's never any good UI for them no matter how hard you try |
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| [23:00:50] | iamlindoro: | Was looking at how a few screens had had their settings screens integrated into the context menu the other day-- that seems like a nice way to go towards |
| [23:01:00] | gbee: | there are plenty of settings which just don't affect 99% of users, those should be shunted into Advanced where people can find them if they need to |
| [23:01:12] | sphery: | iamlindoro: and putting more settings in the plugins is not the cardinal sin that putting more settings in MythTV is |
| [23:01:18] | gbee: | kormoc: that's why things like more automated config/setup would be a good thing |
| [23:01:26] | sphery: | I'd love to remove some of the cruft--like now that the preview is generated taking into account the skip list and/or flag list, what's the point of "Time offset for thumbnail preview images"? |
| [23:01:36] | sphery: | "But I use a start early, so it won't work for me." "Start early is factored in. |
| [23:01:36] | sphery: | " |
| [23:01:36] | stuarta: | oh why can't mysql use a sourceforge style auto redirector to the nearest mirror |
| [23:01:41] | sphery: | "But I don't want to" "Tough, and besides, what makes you think that you can choose one value that works better for /every/ possible recording you'll ever make than the value anyone else chooses?" |
| [23:01:41] | sphery: | "But I don't do commflagging" "So, set a bookmark and use 'Generate preview image from a bookmark if possible' where it's wrong" |
| [23:01:47] | sphery: | (Just had to have that whole conversation with myself) |
| [23:02:31] | ** stuarta offers sphery therapy ** | |
| [23:02:36] | kormoc: | Be careful, you might tell yourself that you shouldn't be a developer unless you do what the user wants... |
| [23:02:46] | sphery: | heh |
| [23:03:28] | gbee: | sphery: yeah, settings like that should just be hardcoded to sane defaults, it makes no sense to offer that as an option, satisfying the handful of people that might actually think they have a good reason for wanting it isn't worth the clutter and confusion it causes |
| [23:04:14] | gbee: | sphery: just automatically taking the bookmark snapshot 2 minutes into a recording (+offset) would be sufficient |
| [23:04:35] | phunyguy: | hey guys thanks for the help yesterday with getting my mythtv up to date. I am still seeing the same issues.... |
| [23:04:36] | sphery: | yeah, that was probably 3 gossamer pages of arguing in the settings simplification GSoC thread--poor guy never had a chance |
| [23:04:39] | phunyguy: | (was it yesterday?) |
| [23:04:42] | gbee: | no figure is going to work 100% of the time, so why entertain that notion |
| [23:04:43] | phunyguy: | cant remember |
| [23:04:57] | sphery: | slow EPG? |
| [23:04:59] | stuarta: | right, for the default osx mysql mirror EU or US? |
| [23:05:10] | phunyguy: | i ran the icon script... |
| [23:05:19] | phunyguy: | and manually added a ton of channels |
| [23:05:34] | phunyguy: | only skipped like 2 because nothing came up in the search |
| [23:05:40] | gbee: | phunyguy: has someone already advised upgrading to the latest -fixes then? |
| [23:05:44] | phunyguy: | will "skipping" the icon still cause the issue to appear? |
| [23:05:48] | phunyguy: | yes gbee |
| [23:05:51] | phunyguy: | that was yesterday |
| [23:06:02] | phunyguy: | i was thanking them for that psecifically ;) |
| [23:06:07] | phunyguy: | -ps +sp |
| [23:06:13] | sphery: | did you ensure that every icon specified in the DB exists and is accessible by the user running the frontend (on all frontend hosts) |
| [23:06:26] | phunyguy: | thats my question |
| [23:06:29] | sphery: | if not, then: UPDATE channel SET icon = ''; |
| [23:06:33] | phunyguy: | i skipped a couple because there just simply were none |
| [23:06:42] | phunyguy: | type that where? |
| [23:06:49] | sphery: | if it put garbage into the DB, it will be slow |
| [23:07:07] | sphery: | if it put '' (empty string) in the DB, the icon isn't causing the slowness |
| [23:07:14] | sphery: | and it's likely deinterlacer |
| [23:07:32] | phunyguy: | well i tried the deinterlacer thing |
| [23:07:48] | phunyguy: | it looked like crap :) |
| [23:07:48] | phunyguy: | and still had a jump every 1 second |
| [23:07:48] | phunyguy: | (while in guide) |
| [23:07:48] | sphery: | you'd put the SQL into the mysql command-line app when connected to the mythconverg DB |
| [23:07:48] | sphery: | oh, and you're definitely running r19222 or higher, right? |
| [23:07:52] | phunyguy: | yes. |
| [23:08:16] | phunyguy: | so type exactly that in quotes when i connect to mysql? |
| [23:08:17] | sphery: | Then I say: UPDATE channel SET icon = ''; |
| [23:08:20] | gbee: | mythfrontend --version |
| [23:08:22] | phunyguy: | err |
| [23:08:24] | phunyguy: | not really in quotes |
| [23:08:29] | phunyguy: | but ttype exactly that? |
| [23:08:37] | sphery: | if the EPG is still slow, then it's not the icons |
| [23:08:50] | stuarta: | hmpf |
| [23:08:58] | stuarta: | segfault exiting watch live tv |
| [23:09:06] | stuarta: | that'll teach me for using live tv |
| [23:09:12] | sphery: | stuarta: devs aren't supposed to use livetv |
| [23:09:18] | gbee: | might just be an X redraw issue with the video, you could disable it in the theme |
| [23:09:31] | sphery: | be careful or some user might think you're actually trying to fix live tv for them |
| [23:09:37] | stuarta: | sphery: purely for testing purposes :) |
| [23:09:54] | meshe: | what's wrong with livetv? |
| [23:09:58] | phunyguy: | gbee – that sounds reasonable |
| [23:10:14] | phunyguy: | since i get flicker in the background of the listings |
| [23:10:20] | phunyguy: | just noticed that |
| [23:10:39] | phunyguy: | i meant to show you guys the process that was hanging |
| [23:10:48] | phunyguy: | i had it yesterday – hang on |
| [23:10:50] | gbee: | some video drivers or versions of X just don't do well with embedded video |
| [23:11:05] | phunyguy: | 5842 tty7 RLs+ 22:33 \_ /usr/bin/X :0 -br -audit 0 -dpi 100 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7 |
| [23:11:09] | phunyguy: | that/. |
| [23:11:19] | sphery: | meshe: watching on the network's schedule, commercials, and the fact that if you're doing Myth right, you should have hundreds of recordings from which to choose (and whatever you think you want to watch on LiveTV should already be recording) :) |
| [23:11:26] | phunyguy: | /usr/bin/X |
| [23:11:38] | kormoc: | meshe, personally, I can't stand live-tv so I never use it nor really test things that may impact it, as I tend to forget it exists and a fair number of other devs are in the same boat |
| [23:12:12] | sphery: | phunyguy: sounds like you need to fix your driver installation |
| [23:12:20] | meshe: | i use livetv all the time, but by 10 mins into a show i'm already 3 mins behind it from pausing |
| [23:12:21] | phunyguy: | yeah that makes sense |
| [23:12:27] | phunyguy: | but |
| [23:12:32] | sphery: | phunyguy: if it's NVIDIA drivers, you probably need Option "UseEvents" "True" |
| [23:12:34] | phunyguy: | its a default installation |
| [23:12:39] | phunyguy: | ok. |
| [23:12:41] | sphery: | and/or disabling or enabling some composite option |
| [23:12:41] | phunyguy: | i can try that |
| [23:12:59] | phunyguy: | let me pastebin my xorg.conf |
| [23:13:01] | meshe: | "if you're doing Myth right, you should have hundreds of recordings from which to choose |
| [23:13:15] | ** stuarta tries to remember what he was about to do ** | |
| [23:13:15] | meshe: | there isn't that much good on tv nowadays |
| [23:13:17] | sphery: | phunyguy: and if you have an nvidia card and are /not/ using the nvidia proprietary drivers, you probably need to switch to the proprietary drivers |
| [23:14:07] | sphery: | meshe: took me quite some time to record all those... I have every episode of Friday Night Lights, though I haven't watched any--just because everyone says it's a great show, so I can't bring myself to delete them. |
| [23:14:11] | phunyguy: | i am using them |
| [23:14:21] | phunyguy: | http://pastebin.ca/1306879 |
| [23:14:40] | phunyguy: | i have it set to component TV out |
| [23:14:46] | phunyguy: | but its DVI -> HDMI |
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| [23:15:02] | sphery: | I actually set up my system to record every episode of every new series that comes on and then I delete without watching anything that's cancelled or that people say isn't worth watching and then I have a ton of other stuff (and actually find a lot of good shows that I never would have considered watching otherwise) |
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| [23:15:22] | phunyguy: | you watch too much TV |
| [23:15:23] | phunyguy: | :) |
| [23:16:07] | meshe: | i actually use mythvideo more than mythtv |
| [23:16:11] | sphery: | yeah, but most of it when sitting around in an airport/airplane or a hotel room--much better than watching the TV they happen to be airing while I'm in the hotel room |
| [23:16:24] | gbee: | actually thats the point, at least initially I had so much more free time because I wasn't spending it just waiting for something worth watching to come on the TV |
| [23:17:07] | phunyguy: | that option is already checked (UseEvents) |
| [23:17:07] | kormoc: | meshe, I'm typically a few years behind on tv watching, so I typically get massive number of reruns |
| [23:17:07] | sphery: | I thought I would, but I've started having DVR-guilt when I record something and don't watch it (and don't have a reason for not watching it--like a cancellation or a chorus of "Garbage" cries) |
| [23:18:04] | phunyguy: | what about the dri option? I can't remember what that was for |
| [23:18:10] | phunyguy: | but it's not in ther |
| [23:18:11] | meshe: | yeah, my husband and I tend to watch a series when it's finished airing |
| [23:18:13] | phunyguy: | there* |
| [23:18:25] | gbee: | if I was bored in the early evening, or during the mornings at the weekend I could then watch something that was recorded, I didn't have to be in at exactly 9pm on Wednesday to catch my favourite programme, it was waiting for me on my schedule |
| [23:18:28] | sphery: | phunyguy: could be some composite extension option or ... My best advice is to consult trial and error and http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x . . . E/index.html |
| [23:18:42] | meshe: | IE: we just started watching Boston Legal and the series finale was in December |
| [23:19:09] | sphery: | gbee: yeah, that's the best part of it... |
| [23:19:43] | sphery: | meshe: I'm sorry... I just finished BL (and what a relief that was--it changed a lot from the beginning and, IMHO, went down a /very/ big hill) |
| [23:20:02] | meshe: | sphery: no, no, i don't want to hear that... |
| [23:20:07] | sphery: | sorry |
| [23:20:35] | meshe: | probably good that they ended it then |
| [23:20:39] | sphery: | though I'm not necessarily known for liking what others like--after all, they tend to cancel my favorite shows within 3–10 episodes :) |
| [23:20:56] | meshe: | firefly? |
| [23:20:59] | sphery: | yep |
| [23:21:16] | meshe: | didn't even know about that show until it was cancelled |
| [23:21:21] | sphery: | and, about this time next year, I'm sure I'll be saying, "Dollhouse," right, iamlindoro |
| [23:22:04] | meshe: | we are Knight Rider fans and it looks like that's getting the chop :S |
| [23:22:13] | sphery: | I actually left the bowling alley/didn't hang out to drink with the team to get home in time for Firefly (that was before Myth for me) |
| [23:22:19] | gbee: | the point with LiveTV is that you end up watching a lot of rubbish, if you wouldn't chose to record something then it's not really worth watching |
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| [23:23:09] | sphery: | I watched the pilot/movie of Knight Rider and, well, maybe I had too much KR history to enjoy it |
| [23:23:09] | gbee: | most of what appears on TV is filler, cheap tat that they pad out the schedules with |
| [23:23:09] | meshe: | myth is an inexpensive alternative to a digital cable box for my parents (first myth box I built) |
| [23:23:09] | sphery: | gbee: well said |
| [23:23:38] | meshe: | we finished watching all of the original series *just* before they aired the new series |
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| [23:24:22] | sphery: | gbee: speaking of filler, it seems that NBC's airing season 1 of Dexter last year (which I saw in one of your screen shots) was filler due to the writer's strike... They aren't going to air other season of it, so I either have to get Showtime or DVD's to watch it. |
| [23:24:44] | sphery: | do you guys get it on a non-premium (non-pay) channel over there? |
| [23:26:13] | gbee: | yeah, it's on one of the 5 main FTA terrestial channels |
| [23:26:55] | gbee: | ITV 1 |
| [23:27:18] | meshe: | looks like we get it on the movie channels here |
| [23:27:24] | Anduin: | it was CBS |
| [23:28:18] | sphery: | oops... that's the thing with Myth--I don't have to care which channel it's on :) |
| [23:28:30] | sphery: | for some reason I thought it was NBC, though |
| [23:28:42] | meshe: | funny thing with my cable provider, they have the movie channels on non-digital |
| [23:28:55] | iamlindoro_: | Anduin, No go on the loadpage() in finalize :( |
| [23:29:09] | meshe: | the old provider forced you to digital for the movie channels |
| [23:29:11] | sphery: | meshe: non-digital would mean they can't encrypt them, so I'm assuming they just block them with filters? |
| [23:29:14] | iamlindoro_: | Will post my patch to the -dev list in a few and maybe you can see where/if I've gone wrong |
| [23:29:28] | Anduin: | sphery: I only know because I don't get showtime |
| [23:29:54] | meshe: | they haven't filtered any of my cable after i cancelled it 18 months ago |
| [23:30:23] | meshe: | 75 analog channels |
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| [23:30:33] | meshe: | my digital box was nuked though |
| [23:30:50] | sphery: | yeah, I don't have showtime either, but just let Myth record season 1 for me and I always do "any channel" rules, so I don't really pay attention to which one airs which |
| [23:30:51] | Anduin: | iamlindoro_: I'll take a look in a few hours |
| [23:30:57] | iamlindoro_: | Anduin, thanks |
| [23:34:11] | meshe: | up until a month ago my tv's were only connected to frontends for mythvideo, finally got a tuner card since the sale was too good $45 for pvr-350 |
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| [23:39:12] | smithzv: | thanks sphery |
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| [23:57:10] | phunyguy: | OK. |
| [23:57:16] | phunyguy: | still no luck. |
| [23:57:23] | Anduin: | iamlindoro_: for some reason I have it stuck in my head that you said menu at some point, you are trying this in a menu xml file? |
| [23:57:33] | phunyguy: | I get into program guide and it scrolls through 2 channels nicely, then gets stuck. |
| [23:57:39] | phunyguy: | must be the icons |
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| [23:58:25] | iamlindoro_: | Anduin, Yes. Is there a reason that *wouldn't* be possible? To be that's where a few web widgets have the greatest utility. |
| [23:58:28] | iamlindoro_: | er to me |
| [23:59:13] | Anduin: | iamlindoro_: in the old stuff it wouldn't work, I don't think it has changed, the parser for menus was/is entirely different |
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| [23:59:43] | Anduin: | I ask because I can make a single line change and VNCed quickly and LoadPage in Finalize works fine for me |
| [23:59:46] | iamlindoro_: | Anduin, You're absolutely right |
| [23:59:56] | iamlindoro_: | Got on in video-ui.xml working fine |
| [23:59:59] | iamlindoro_: | er one |
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