Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, January 10th, 2009, 00:00 UTC

[00:00:10]

gbee:

ssh!

[00:00:26]

iamlindoro:

If they haven't filtered your analog there's every chance you're getting digital locals in HD too

[00:00:36]

meshe:

oh?

[00:00:39]

iamlindoro:

yep

[00:00:42]

meshe:

hmmm

[00:00:52]

meshe:

what do I need to check that?

[00:01:00]

iamlindoro:

I mean, not that you couldn't put up an antenna for that too, but..

[00:01:10]

iamlindoro:

meshe: Anything capable of tuning QAM

[00:01:28]

quigleymd (quigleymd!n=quigley@c-76-120-208-187.hsd1.va.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:01:32]

iamlindoro:

Might be able to borrow from a friend/neighbor?

[00:02:07]

quigleym1 (quigleym1!n=quigley@c-76-120-208-187.hsd1.va.comcast.net) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[00:02:20]

justinh:

besides, why buy BD discs when I've only ever bought about 3 DVDs for myself :)

[00:02:57]

justinh:

right now HD just isn't worth the effort I'd have to put in. past the point of doing things for the sake of it a long time ago

[00:03:04]

directhex:

HD games consoles! :<

[00:03:27]

** justinh is not big on modern games one eensy ittle bit **

[00:03:37]

justinh:

i.e. I'm too farking old

[00:03:37]

k-man_ (k-man_!n=jason@unaffiliated/k-man) has quit ("Leaving")

[00:03:47]

** iamlindoro grabs directhex from behind and charges into battle using him as a shield **

[00:03:59]

justinh:

I'm a late adopter. there. I said it

[00:04:13]

directhex:

let's settle on "I'm too farking old"

[00:04:19]

justinh:

heh

[00:05:08]

** directhex goes to chainsaw some monsters inna face **

[00:05:26]

** gbee wonders if justinh's TV looks anything like this one – http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/newtheme_possible_menu.png **

[00:05:29]

** iamlindoro throws a frag grenade at directhex **

[00:05:39]

gbee:

directhex: Doom!

[00:05:39]

justinh:

maybe I need some of that in my life, but I'm not willing to shell out hundreds of quids to find out

[00:05:45]

** directhex glues a frag grenade to iamlindoro's back **

[00:06:03]

gbee:

actually, wasn't the chainsaw Doom 2?

[00:06:07]

** iamlindoro roadie runs at directhex **

[00:06:16]

directhex:

gbee, the chainsaw bayonet is gears of war!

[00:06:20]

justinh:

gbee: yeah, only mine is widescreen

[00:06:26]

** directhex taps B wildly at iamlindoro **

[00:06:36]

gbee:

directhex: sounds like Doom to me ...

[00:06:39]

justinh:

nice menu format btw

[00:06:43]

** iamlindoro glitches directhex through a wall **

[00:06:46]

meshe:

gbee: i like that theme

[00:06:49]

directhex:

gbee, chainsaw was both doom and doom2 afaik

[00:06:55]

directhex:

gbee, doom2 was super shotgun

[00:06:57]

justinh:

oops. not nice. dare I say lovely?

[00:07:00]

grokky (grokky!n=grokky@ppp118-208-147-10.lns10.mel4.internode.on.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:07:15]

** justinh curses himself at not having thought of it first! **

[00:07:16]

justinh:

;)

[00:07:17]

gbee:

justinh: that's just a concept for the menu, I'm still thinking about it

[00:07:33]

** directhex hijacks iamlindoro, stomps around crushing enemies underfoot & shootinating people **

[00:07:49]

jk1joel (jk1joel!n=jsmith@ns.jk1.net) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[00:08:01]

justinh:

gbee: nice inference that livetv is still rooted in the 1950s, though :D

[00:08:18]

gbee:

justinh: heh, I wasn't sure that anyone would get that

[00:08:39]

jduggan:

lolz

[00:08:40]

jduggan:

plus one

[00:08:41]

meshe:

this is my tv: http://www.toshiba.ca/web/product.grp?lg=en&a . . . ;product=610

[00:08:44]

jduggan:

if you like toilet humour

[00:08:46]

jduggan:

it's brilliant

[00:08:50]

** iamlindoro drops a lightmass bomb in directhex **

[00:09:01]

justinh:

put a B&W image on its screen & it's done IMHO ;)

[00:09:18]

justinh:

(with visible scanlines of course)

[00:09:25]

** directhex hands iamlindoro a cool glass of immulsion. with an umbrella in it **

[00:10:18]

** justinh ponders something unthinkable. nah, it's just too crazy **

[00:10:23]

iamlindoro:

ooooh, megohome

[00:10:33]

iamlindoro (iamlindoro!i=4b062c42@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a9f1519a193e5661) has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client")

[00:12:48]

gbee:

the paper photo I used was chosen for it's CompuServe advert, some nostalgia

[00:13:54]

gbee:

my first ISP ... if you can call it that because it was mostly a walled garden

[00:14:35]

justinh:

I vaguely remember being on there for a couple of months

[00:14:44]

justinh:

then they got got by AOL

[00:14:50]

justinh:

IIRC

[00:14:56]

meshe:

Prodigy, Compuserve, AOL...

[00:15:05]

Shadow__X:

aol was the best

[00:15:11]

meshe:

o.O

[00:15:31]

gbee:

this was years before they were bought by AOL

[00:15:45]

meshe:

I have a cat 5E cable wired up to my condo now for internet :)

[00:15:49]

justinh:

best money sink after owning a car?

[00:15:54]

meshe:

can get up to 50Mb

[00:16:09]

gbee:

followed by the heady days of Mosaic

[00:16:38]

justinh:

meshe: don't use all your traffic allowance in one day will you ;)

[00:16:45]

meshe:

hehe

[00:16:47]

dustybin:

mythweb on my mobile looks super cool, i forgot to set something to record at my parents, they dont have internet, so i used my mobile phone

[00:17:06]

dustybin:

the only problem now, its stuck in mobile phone mode, anyone remember how to reset it back?

[00:17:17]

meshe:

i've done close to a TB in one month, thankfully they didn't nail me for their $0.50/GB overage charge

[00:17:27]

justinh:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?client=firefox . . . oogle+Search

[00:17:51]

dustybin:

justinh: you clever sod :P

[00:18:07]

dgarr (dgarr!n=dgarrett@adsl-76-246-19-246.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:18:07]

justinh:

don't ever call me that name again please

[00:18:10]

Shadow__X:

meshe, whats your max

[00:18:34]

meshe:

at that point i had the 30Mb package with gave me 360GB/mo

[00:18:41]

justinh:

out of interest is that mythweb profile sticking fixed now?

[00:19:09]

justinh:

duh. yes it was. oyay

[00:19:36]

justinh:

#5201

[00:20:42]

leprechau (leprechau!n=leprecha@c-69-180-227-158.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) has quit (Connection timed out)

[00:21:19]

dustybin:

justinh: haha i thought you was talking about the word 'sod', you meant 'clever' :P

[00:22:16]

gbee (gbee!n=gbee@cpc2-derb9-0-0-cust507.leic.cable.ntl.com) has left #mythtv-users ("Left")

[00:26:32]

inordkuo1 (inordkuo1!n=inorkuo@adsl-226-137-93.int.bellsouth.net) has quit ("Leaving.")

[00:27:38]

justinh:

I dunno what gave you that impression

[00:27:45]

** justinh goes to sleep **

[00:27:52]

dustybin:

my mythttv setup with 4x tuners and 2x frontends is working pretty dam solid, no problems at all

[00:28:06]

blahrus_ (blahrus_!n=clintcha@c-98-215-60-193.hsd1.il.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:28:13]

dustybin:

i dont think im going to bother with anymore svn updates

[00:28:14]

gnome42 (gnome42!n=gnome42@76-10-139-80.dsl.teksavvy.com) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[00:28:56]

dustybin:

no errors in the mythbackend.log and no errors on dmesg

[00:29:13]

dustybin:

00:29:07 up 10 days, 10:29, 4 users, load average: 1.04, 1.04, 1.06

[00:32:08]

abqjp (abqjp!n=jpabq@c-69-254-145-214.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:32:10]

Gumby (Gumby!n=terry@unaffiliated/gumby) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:32:13]

EvilGuru (EvilGuru!n=freddie@dyn1220-11.wlan.ic.ac.uk) has quit ()

[00:37:05]

sphery (sphery!n=mdean@user-0c6sj46.cable.mindspring.com) has quit ("leaving")

[00:39:10]

sphery (sphery!n=mdean@user-0c6sj46.cable.mindspring.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:44:55]

mythrookie:

what ir is the cheapest ?

[00:45:06]

wagnerrp:

the home-built one

[00:45:20]

sid3windr:

irc.

[00:45:27]

wagnerrp:

of course that depends on your skill level, and your value of time

[00:46:45]

J-e-f-f-A:

mythrookie: Blaster? Here's the simple serial one, with an easier-to-understand graphic: http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/ir_blaster.jpg

[00:47:56]

wagnerrp:

if you want one pre-build, the UIRT and MCEUSB devices seem to be the most popular

[00:49:40]

** J-e-f-f-A built a 3-eye buffered interface based on the 'Bufffered home brew serial blaster' on lirc.org **

[00:50:27]

lotia (lotia!n=lotia@host-145.subnet-200.med.umich.edu) has quit (Connection timed out)

[00:50:28]

wylie_:

i also bought one of these a while back http://www.irblaster.info/

[00:50:28]

olejl (olejl!n=olejl@92.96.108.208) has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))

[00:50:49]

wylie_:

looks like the price of them as come up since i bought one 2–3 yrs ago

[00:50:52]

J-e-f-f-A:

^^ was just verifying the link... ;-)

[00:51:34]

test1_ (test1_!n=test1@81-66-55-24.rev.numericable.fr) has left #mythtv-users ("Konversation terminated!")

[00:54:03]

kslater (kslater!n=kslater@206.193.247.78.nauticom.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[01:01:46]

poodyp (poodyp!n=poodyp@cpe-76-87-115-2.socal.res.rr.com) has quit ()

[01:02:05]

poodyp (poodyp!n=poodyp@cpe-76-87-115-2.socal.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[01:05:42]

wylie_:

ya, took me a bit to remember where the heck i got it. ;b

[01:17:12]

brayton:

Anyone here good with Qam and Schedules Direct?

[01:17:37]

wagnerrp:

i have it set up currently, what do you need?

[01:17:49]

phix (phix!n=threat@123-243-44-131.tpgi.com.au) has quit ("trying out unop's suggestion")

[01:18:38]

brayton:

i got my channels working, went in and looked up the xmlid and entered them all, and i still have no guide data

[01:19:01]

brayton:

i didnt make a lineup, i just pulled the xmlid's

[01:21:12]

iamlindoro_:

there you go, answered your own question

[01:21:15]

iamlindoro_:

you need one

[01:21:34]

brayton:

so a lineup and the xmlid's?

[01:21:43]

brayton:

ty

[01:21:45]

wylie_:

iamlindoro_ ah, right. i searched for livetv, when in fact i should have searched for the action (TV_WATCH_LIVE) slap slap <me>

[01:21:52]

iamlindoro_:

you need any lineups which contain the xmlids you are using set up in your SD account

[01:21:59]

iamlindoro_:

wylie_, all good

[01:22:02]

brayton:

ok ty

[01:22:33]

wylie_:

the checkbox and values should have tipped me off

[01:33:18]

mythrookie (mythrookie!n=similian@pD9E614F7.dip.t-dialin.net) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[01:35:49]

brayton (brayton!n=brayton@139.102.250.190) has quit ("Leaving")

[01:52:33]

dlblog (dlblog!n=dlblog@c-76-118-252-231.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[01:52:53]

dlblog (dlblog!n=dlblog@c-76-118-252-231.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[01:54:45]

jduggan (jduggan!n=thom@s.tankengine.co.uk) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[01:54:48]

jduggan (jduggan!n=thom@s.tankengine.co.uk) has joined #mythtv-users

[01:55:20]

XLV (XLV!n=XLV@unaffiliated/xlv) has quit ("Leaving")

[01:57:05]

Sedorox (Sedorox!i=brandon@smartserv/cna/Sedorox) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[02:01:15]

kslater (kslater!n=kslater@206.193.247.78.nauticom.net) has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host))

[02:08:35]

hadees (hadees!n=hadees@cpe-67-9-179-169.austin.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[02:16:31]

kali67 (kali67!n=kali67@64-166-248-25.ded.pacbell.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[02:18:18]

jm|home (jm|home!n=jm|home@dilbert.jamiem.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[02:18:33]

jamiem (jamiem!n=jm|home@dilbert.jamiem.com) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[02:19:05]

mikal (mikal!n=mikal@69-12-129-6.dsl.static.sonic.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[02:21:53]

jm|home (jm|home!n=jm|home@dilbert.jamiem.com) has quit (Client Quit)

[02:22:31]

psofa_ (psofa_!n=psofa@adsl65-205.ath.forthnet.gr) has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host))

[02:24:44]

Gumby (Gumby!n=terry@unaffiliated/gumby) has quit ()

[02:40:20]

leprechau (leprechau!n=leprecha@c-69-180-227-158.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[02:45:44]

defaultro (defaultro!n=de@c-67-176-152-197.hsd1.il.comcast.net) has quit (Connection timed out)

[02:48:21]

jhulst (jhulst!n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) has joined #mythtv-users

[02:50:59]

gnome42 (gnome42!n=gnome42@76-10-139-80.dsl.teksavvy.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[02:51:31]

asmussen (asmussen!n=kvirc@ip72-222-146-93.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[02:51:50]

notyjoey_ (notyjoey_!n=joe@gateway2.fasti.net) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[02:52:02]

asmussen:

Does anybody know if the newest trunk versions still have trouble playing back 1080i hd-pvr recordings?

[02:52:23]

notyjoey (notyjoey!n=joe@gateway2.fasti.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[02:55:17]

wagnerrp:

i didnt know they used to have trouble playing back those recordings

[02:55:18]

wylie_:

with what video hardware?

[02:55:41]

wagnerrp:

the bigger issue is usually whether or not you have sufficient single threaded performance to manage it

[02:55:46]

croppa (croppa!n=stuart@135.27.233.220.exetel.com.au) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[02:57:37]

wylie_:

is there any contract reason (between schedulesdirect and TMS) that people can only have one of each lineup type?

[02:57:45]

wylie_:

[i can explain in more detail if that didn't make sense]

[02:58:11]

wagnerrp:

each type?

[02:58:24]

wagnerrp:

you can only have one lineup of one service

[02:58:33]

wagnerrp:

but thats just a design limitation of the SD system

[02:58:57]

croppa (croppa!n=stuart@135.27.233.220.exetel.com.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[02:58:59]

J-e-f-f-A:

wylie_: Just use an adjacent zip code if you need to setup a new listing for Digital OTA only...

[02:59:07]

wagnerrp:

the standard recommendation if you need multiple copies of one lineup is just to grab one from a neighboring zip code

[02:59:17]

J-e-f-f-A:

^^ ditto. ;-)

[02:59:41]

wagnerrp:

seems i need to type faster.... or need to spell check less...

[03:00:30]

wylie_:

yup, that makes sense — i should have used my brain.

[03:01:06]

waxhead_ (waxhead_!n=pete@124.176.60.153) has joined #mythtv-users

[03:04:21]

kkuno (kkuno!n=wefw@151.64.201.67) has quit ("Sto andando via")

[03:11:54]

Hilikus (Hilikus!n=ROCKERO@bas6-montreal45-1176365147.dsl.bell.ca) has joined #mythtv-users

[03:12:03]

Hilikus:

hey guys

[03:16:35]

gnome42 (gnome42!n=gnome42@76-10-139-80.dsl.teksavvy.com) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[03:24:05]

flindet_ (flindet_!n=flindet@76.20.20.163) has joined #mythtv-users

[03:24:05]

_flindet (_flindet!n=flindet@76.20.20.163) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[03:34:25]

Hilikus:

when i try to run mythfilldatabase from a file (--file) my whole system crawls to an almost complete stop, could that be some DB corruption? i ran the check form mythweb and it says everything is ok but i dont know how reliable that test is

[03:35:17]

Shadow__X (Shadow__X!n=Shadow__@c-24-0-8-231.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) has quit ("Leaving")

[03:37:14]

Anduin:

Hilikus: unlikely, have you looked at mythfilldatabase/mysqld memory/cpu usage?

[03:38:12]

Hilikus:

i fogrot to mention that i've been running the same setup for 1 year without problems, lately my computer has crashed an the tables have been left in iffy states

[03:38:27]

Hilikus:

yes, mythfill goes really high on cpu

[03:41:24]

notyjoey (notyjoey!n=joe@gateway2.fasti.net) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[03:43:09]

wylie (wylie!n=wylie@ip70-190-125-87.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[03:46:52]

Anduin:

if you've checked/optimized there is likely nothing wrong with the DB, you could always back it up, remove the old, and restore to make sure. Is it using swap during this?

[03:51:12]

Sedorox (Sedorox!i=brandon@smartserv/cna/Sedorox) has joined #mythtv-users

[03:52:52]

gregL (gregL!i=greg@cpe-69-204-178-100.nycap.res.rr.com) has quit ("Leaving")

[03:53:55]

wylie:

hrmmm. i was going to add another lineup off cox in phoenix — i picked a zip code from scottsdale (nearby city), but the cox "name" column dimmed.

[03:55:03]

wylie:

re: schedulesdirect

[03:55:29]

Hilikus:

Anduin i dont know, how do i check that?

[03:55:32]

gregL (gregL!n=greg@cpe-67-246-41-80.nycap.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[03:55:45]

wylie:

i thought the suggestion was an adjacent zipcode, but that doesn't seem to work

[03:56:26]

gregL_ (gregL_!i=greg@cpe-69-204-178-100.nycap.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[03:56:38]

gregL_ (gregL_!i=greg@cpe-69-204-178-100.nycap.res.rr.com) has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer))

[03:57:42]

Anduin:

Hilikus: 'free' will give you a rough idea

[03:58:00]

Hilikus:

k thanks!

[03:58:43]

gregL (gregL!n=greg@cpe-67-246-41-80.nycap.res.rr.com) has quit (Client Quit)

[03:58:57]

i_is_cat:

opera

[03:59:04]

gregL (gregL!n=greg@cpe-67-246-41-80.nycap.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[03:59:33]

gregL (gregL!n=greg@cpe-67-246-41-80.nycap.res.rr.com) has quit (Client Quit)

[03:59:46]

gregL (gregL!n=greg@cpe-67-246-41-80.nycap.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[04:01:00]

gregL_ (gregL_!n=greg@cpe-67-246-41-80.nycap.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[04:01:21]

gregL (gregL!n=greg@cpe-67-246-41-80.nycap.res.rr.com) has left #mythtv-users ("Leaving")

[04:02:28]

Anduin:

wylie: may need a different/more distant neighbor, also if they are the same channels you can use the caching feature of mythfilldatabase to set up an identically configured lineup, edit the channels, etc (more on the wiki)

[04:03:27]

wylie:

thanks, will hunt around on wiki — not much under the schedulesdirect heading

[04:03:39]

wylie:

the mythfilldatabase path is probably what i need

[04:03:44]

wylie:

and then edit

[04:04:07]

gnome42 (gnome42!n=gnome42@76-10-139-80.dsl.teksavvy.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[04:04:10]

i_is_cat (i_is_cat!n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[04:06:18]

Anduin:

wylie: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-24.html#ss24.4

[04:11:54]

wylie:

tx

[04:12:03]

abqjp:

wylie: the adjacent zip code used to work when we talked directly to zap2it. Does not work with scheduledirect, because it is not necessary with schedulesdirect — danielk added the ability to use a subset of one "listing" for another "input". Sorry can't tell you exactly how it works, since I have never needed it, but that info may give you the hint you need to figure out how to solve what ever problem you are trying to solve.

[04:12:31]

wylie:

yup, much appreciated — will figure it out

[04:13:08]

Anduin:

that feature is exactly what the link I gave does, I use it.

[04:13:39]

abqjp:

Anduin: ah, okay. I didn't scroll back far enough to see what you where talking about.

[04:16:00]

abqjp:

I am just slow. I think I started typing my response before you posted that link.

[04:16:07]

wylie:

after reading, this looks right for what i need. a tuner with all the channels, and a tuner with a subset of them, but sourced from the same lineup

[04:19:38]

jk1joel (jk1joel!n=jsmith@ns.jk1.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[04:23:59]

wylie:

amazing how many bad channels there are (as in, the programming is crap)

[04:28:20]

Hilikus:

Anduin this looks kinda weird Swap: 0k total, 0k used, 0k free, 21232k cached

[04:28:28]

Hilikus:

looks like there's no swap

[04:28:46]

Hilikus:

maybe thats why everything is messed up

[04:29:01]

Anduin:

Hilikus: You aren't required to and if you have enough memory...

[04:29:23]

Hilikus:

i dont, i had to remove most of it because i had a hw problem

[04:29:27]

Hilikus:

and i used to

[04:29:33]

Hilikus:

so im guessing something happened to the partition

[04:33:06]

RyeBrye (RyeBrye!n=ryebrye@254.245.sfcn.org) has quit (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer))

[04:35:28]

gnome42 (gnome42!n=gnome42@76-10-139-80.dsl.teksavvy.com) has quit ()

[04:41:40]

zlyzyr (zlyzyr!n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[04:58:05]

RyeBrye (RyeBrye!n=ryebrye@254.245.sfcn.org) has joined #mythtv-users

[05:01:09]

RyeBrye (RyeBrye!n=ryebrye@254.245.sfcn.org) has quit (Client Quit)

[05:01:16]

RyeBrye (RyeBrye!n=ryebrye@254.245.sfcn.org) has joined #mythtv-users

[05:11:55]

hadees (hadees!n=hadees@cpe-67-9-179-169.austin.res.rr.com) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[05:15:18]

psipsi_ (psipsi_!n=psipsi@rrcs-24-227-36-210.se.biz.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[05:20:09]

cattelan (cattelan!n=cattelan@c-24-118-127-188.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep")

[05:32:28]

psipsi (psipsi!n=psipsi@rrcs-24-227-36-210.se.biz.rr.com) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[05:33:21]

asmussen:

Does anybody know if the issues with playing back 1080i hd-pvr recordings are still present with the current trunk builds. (The issues with seeking, not any kind of performance issues)

[05:34:29]

abqjp:

asmussen: I still generally record everything at 720p, but iamlindoro usually records at 1080i, and has not mentioned any such issues.

[05:37:33]

asmussen:

Maybe I'll grab a newer trunk and try it out. The seeking issues were well known originally. I just was having a hard time finding any followup information on if anybody had ever fixed it.

[05:39:13]

abqjp:

asmussen: do you mean from WAY back last summer? If so, then yes those problems were solved long ago.

[05:40:27]

asmussen:

I don't know how long ago the problems originate from. I bought one when they were fairly new, but have been too busy with work to spend much time with it, but am just now dusting it off to get it working with my new WD-73835.

[05:41:08]

abqjp:

asmussen: when I have recorded in 1080i, the only problem I have noticed, is the audio/video sync is consistently, slightly off.... ~300ms

[05:41:47]

asmussen:

That's probably the same thing though. When I set it up, all of the available information said to force your cable box into 720p to avoid the seeking issue, and the recordings I did try at 1080i didn't seek correctly.

[05:41:57]

grokky (grokky!n=grokky@ppp118-208-147-10.lns10.mel4.internode.on.net) has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep")

[05:42:07]

abqjp:

asmussen: the original problem with 1080i, was improper counting of fields as frames, which cause seeking problems, as well as the length to show up as double what it really was. That was solved by last fall.

[05:42:45]

asmussen:

I think that's probably the issue I'm talking about. Are the audio sync issues you're talking about also a known problem?

[05:44:01]

abqjp:

Now, the reason to avoid 1080i has mostly to do with needing a BALLSY machine to play it back. If you set deinterlacing to none, it is not too bad, but using a GOOD deinterlacer like greedy means you need a FAST machine to playback 1080i. Once VDPAU stabilizes that will probably solve that problem, though.

[05:44:49]

wagnerrp:

the instability of STBs flipping resolutions has been fixed?

[05:44:52]

toorima (toorima!n=bq@ip68-7-79-241.sd.sd.cox.net) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[05:44:52]

asmussen:

The frontend machine I'm building to put under the wd-73835 should be able to handle it. I'm building a core i7 machine.

[05:45:06]

abqjp:

I have only recorded a couple of shows in 1080i in the last several months, and I just did it as a test. In both cases, I had to adjust the audio/video sync. But, I don't know if that was just bad luck, or if it is a common problem. I have never had that problem with 720p

[05:46:34]

asmussen:

If it does have problems though, is coreavc still a working option?

[05:47:14]

toorima (toorima!n=bq@ip68-7-79-241.sd.sd.cox.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[05:47:21]

abqjp:

iamlindoro has mentioned that he is NOT happy with coreavc, but I don't know why. I have never tried it.

[05:47:28]

Hilikus (Hilikus!n=ROCKERO@bas6-montreal45-1176365147.dsl.bell.ca) has quit ("Estoy usando el Ambar-Script v1.1, yo lo cree y me quedo muy bacano, bajatelo de http://pagina.de/deporcali | There are 10 ki)

[05:48:01]

grokky (grokky!n=grokky@ppp118-208-147-10.lns10.mel4.internode.on.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[05:48:11]

asmussen:

I had it setup and working with an older trunk version, but the last trunk versions I tried it with crashed the frontend when I tried to playback a recording.

[05:48:18]

abqjp:

asmussen: mark_k is working hard to get VDPAU working. I would plan on that

[05:48:31]

asmussen:

But still, I'd only try to get it working again if it wouldn't playback smoothly without it.

[05:48:42]

wagnerrp:

(on windows) ive used coreavc and ffmpeg

[05:48:44]

asmussen:

Yeah, that vdpau stuff looks pretty interesting.

[05:48:54]

wagnerrp:

and to be honest, coreavc is really only marginally faster anymore

[05:49:12]

wagnerrp:

and tended to be a lot more susceptible to errors

[05:49:22]

asmussen:

Yeah, it did seem to be sort of a hack.

[05:49:31]

abqjp:

I believe the advantage of coreavc was that it could thread the deinterlacing.

[05:50:03]

asmussen:

That's true. All of the cores on my quad core box got put to work when I played H264 video back with coreavc.

[05:51:04]

dmz (dmz!n=dmz@64.203.203.232.dyn-cm-pool-64.hargray.net) has quit ("Leaving")

[05:51:31]

asmussen:

Anyway, I'm building a core i7 box that I believe should be fast enough to handle playback for it. Building it that beefy because I'm also going to dual boot the frontend machine into vista to play games on the big screen tv with. Going to try out those new nvidia 3d stereo glasses. They're compatible with my new tv.

[05:54:36]

andreas (andreas!n=andreas@netblock-72-25-106-205.dslextreme.com) has quit (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer))

[05:55:54]

grokky (grokky!n=grokky@ppp118-208-147-10.lns10.mel4.internode.on.net) has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))

[06:01:09]

** lyricnz tries to figure out how to enable digital audio on his Fedora machine, and if the connector he made is even right **

[06:02:30]

wylie_:

abqjp Anduin the channel process makes perfect sense for using a single lineup where not all channels are available for each tuner type (e.g. I have analog NTSC, hdhomerun QAM256, a SA2000 with no HD, and a 4250HD. thanks for the direction — the wiki has really come a long way

[06:02:40]

wylie_:

thanks

[06:06:54]

psipsi_ (psipsi_!n=psipsi@rrcs-24-227-36-210.se.biz.rr.com) has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))

[06:07:30]

psipsi_ (psipsi_!n=psipsi@rrcs-24-227-36-210.se.biz.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[06:07:53]

asmussen (asmussen!n=kvirc@ip72-222-146-93.ph.ph.cox.net) has quit ("KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo http://www.kvirc.net/")

[06:09:25]

gnome42 (gnome42!n=gnome42@76-10-139-80.dsl.teksavvy.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[06:15:01]

psipsi_ (psipsi_!n=psipsi@rrcs-24-227-36-210.se.biz.rr.com) has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))

[06:15:31]

psipsi_ (psipsi_!n=psipsi@rrcs-24-227-36-210.se.biz.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[06:15:59]

blahrus_ (blahrus_!n=clintcha@c-98-215-60-193.hsd1.il.comcast.net) has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))

[06:16:12]

jk1joel (jk1joel!n=jsmith@ns.jk1.net) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[06:19:52]

olejl (olejl!n=olejl@92.96.108.208) has joined #mythtv-users

[06:32:56]

strex (strex!n=strex@ip70-162-253-52.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[06:33:03]

strex:

sup folks.

[06:33:28]

strex:

anyone else having problems with libmythavcodec segfaulting?

[06:35:07]

dmz (dmz!n=dmz@64.203.203.232.dyn-cm-pool-64.hargray.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[06:40:26]

strex:

my main frontend has become un-usable because of mythfrontend crashing with error 4 pointing to libmythavcodec segfaulting.. Any suggestions...?

[06:44:08]

Anduin:

strex: limmythavcodec is mostly ffmpeg, other players don't crash on the same material/

[06:46:30]

strex:

Anduin: Thanks, I'll look into ffmpeg

[06:47:47]

Anduin:

if it is reproducible with a sample you should open a ticket

[06:48:13]

strex:

what do you mean by sample?

[06:48:34]

wagnerrp:

sample video

[06:49:04]

strex:

At this point it won't play liveTv, or recorded TV at all without segfaulting..

[06:50:05]

wagnerrp:

is this trunk? -fixes source? some distribution?

[06:50:13]

Anduin:

strex: use "mythtv filename" to try other files, if it always segfaults I'd suspect build issues or file corruption, or failing hardware

[06:50:20]

gnome42 (gnome42!n=gnome42@76-10-139-80.dsl.teksavvy.com) has quit ()

[06:50:44]

strex:

wagnerrp: it's mythdora..

[06:56:03]

oobe (oobe!n=oobe@220-244-162-235.static.tpgi.com.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[06:56:28]

strex:

my exact error is: kernel: mythfrontend[4981]: segfault at abfff000 ip 07b2afddsp ac9feb94 error 4 in libmythavcodec-0.21.so.0.21.0[7a50000+377000]

[06:58:24]

LadyDeath (LadyDeath!i=i_45b5bf@S0106002215cf4409.gv.shawcable.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[07:00:30]

inordkuo (inordkuo!n=inorkuo@adsl-226-137-93.int.bellsouth.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[07:01:51]

Anduin:

yeah, that is no help, a backtrace with symbols is the minimum, without a sample it is usually guesswork, try mplayer

[07:02:38]

strex:

Anduin: like watching a file that would normally play with mplayer?

[07:02:54]

Anduin:

either way

[07:03:25]

kali67 (kali67!n=kali67@c-24-7-47-22.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[07:04:40]

strex:

Anduin: xine is working fine.

[07:08:43]

iamlindoro_ (iamlindoro_!n=robert@c-24-23-242-27.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[07:09:14]

abqjp is now known as jpabq

[07:09:44]

jpabq (jpabq!n=jpabq@c-69-254-145-214.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) has quit ()

[07:14:34]

abqjp (abqjp!n=jpabq@c-69-254-145-214.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[07:15:25]

dgarr (dgarr!n=dgarrett@adsl-76-246-19-246.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[07:18:08]

abqjp (abqjp!n=jpabq@c-69-254-145-214.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[07:19:02]

abqjp (abqjp!n=jpabq@c-69-254-145-214.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[07:20:27]

abqjp (abqjp!n=jpabq@c-69-254-145-214.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) has quit (Client Quit)

[07:21:22]

jpabq (jpabq!n=jpabq@c-69-254-145-214.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[07:22:07]

jpabq (jpabq!n=jpabq@c-69-254-145-214.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) has left #mythtv-users ()

[07:22:22]

jpabq (jpabq!n=jpabq@c-69-254-145-214.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[07:22:39]

iamlindoro_ (iamlindoro_!n=robert@c-24-23-242-27.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[07:23:01]

lyricnz:

I know this is a bit offtopic, but do latest nvidia drivers provide anyway to eliminate overscan? My desktop is missing 10% when displayed on the TV

[07:24:01]

wagnerrp:

i remember earlier drivers having a tool to manually adjust overscan

[07:24:10]

wagnerrp:

but it does not seem to exist on the current ones

[07:24:30]

wagnerrp:

with VGA, you may be able to put together a custom modeline

[07:24:47]

jpabq:

Utilities/Setup -> Setup -> Screen Setup Wizards <-- not sure if that is in 0.21-fixes, but it is there in trunk

[07:24:50]

wagnerrp:

but svideo/coax and dvi are all static

[07:25:09]

wagnerrp:

yeah, the screen setup wizard was there in -fixes

[07:29:40]

jpabq (jpabq!n=jpabq@c-69-254-145-214.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) has quit ()

[07:31:45]

lyricnz:

Yeah, it's probably more of an X issue than myth. But it's *really* annoying.

[07:32:02]

lyricnz:

Especially since all the menus and things are off the edges :(

[07:32:24]

wagnerrp:

its not so much an X issue, as a driver issue

[07:34:48]

inordkuo (inordkuo!n=inorkuo@adsl-226-137-93.int.bellsouth.net) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[07:36:23]

psipsi__ (psipsi__!n=psipsi@rrcs-24-227-36-210.se.biz.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[07:42:42]

justinp_home (justinp_home!n=mythtv@72.135.214.26) has joined #mythtv-users

[07:42:48]

justinp_home:

Morning, folks

[07:43:04]

wagnerrp:

evening from the other side of the lake

[07:43:10]

cesman:

Good night justinp_home ;)

[07:43:28]

justinp_home:

Anybody know if there's a way to control mythfrontend from a shell script? Particularly jump points?

[07:43:49]

wagnerrp:

justinp_home: there is a telnet interface that allows such control

[07:44:05]

justinp_home:

I'm writing a script to run as a cron job, and part of what I need it to do is jump to LiveTV

[07:44:33]

strex:

justinp_home: the telnet control is for you..

[07:44:38]

wagnerrp:

port 6546

[07:44:43]

justinp_home:

just telnet to localhost

[07:44:52]

wagnerrp:

on any machine with an active frontend

[07:44:54]

strex:

or your BE host

[07:44:58]

justinp_home:

K, cool – thanks

[07:45:10]

cesman:

justinp_home: you need to enable network control

[07:45:23]

wagnerrp:

strex: the backend doesnt run a telnet daemon, only the frontend

[07:45:25]

justinp_home:

I think for this application, I'll probably run it on the frontend

[07:45:56]

justinp_home:

That way I can share it with others without needing to write something in that fetches the ip of the BE

[07:46:04]

strex:

wagnerrp: your right, my brain is still adjusting to having a differend BE and FE..

[07:46:17]

justinp_home:

So, that's my question #1

[07:46:44]

justinp_home:

#2 is, how do I find the author of LIRC so I can strangle him and drag his corpse through the street?

[07:47:01]

strex:

lol

[07:47:03]

wagnerrp:

justinp_home: if you know your way around perl or python, it would probably be easier to use one of those, and just open up a socket

[07:47:14]

justinp_home:

Getting my IR blaster to work is becoming an exercise in futility

[07:47:17]

wagnerrp:

rather than trying to pipe sequences of commands into telnet

[07:47:51]

strex:

wagnerrp: good point, use the mythtv perl interface.....

[07:47:59]

justinp_home:

wagnerrp, I've tried so many times to learn both perl and python, but always get caught up in other important tasks before it can sink in

[07:48:13]

wagnerrp:

well... easier, perhaps not. more powerful, definately

[07:48:38]

wagnerrp:

strex: AFAIK, there is no remote control interface using the mythtv sockets

[07:48:59]

justinp_home:

So, here's my issue with the IR blaster...

[07:48:59]

wagnerrp:

i believe the mythtv perl interface is only for accessing data on the backend

[07:49:24]

justinp_home:

my mobo has no serial ports, so I picked up a PCI-E serial card

[07:49:57]

justinp_home:

Linux sees it just fine, but I can't seem to make it keep a specific IRQ

[07:50:18]

justinp_home:

on reboot, it comes up as either IRQ 21 or 22, with no way to predict which it'll get

[07:50:28]

wagnerrp:

IRQs are the kind of thing that can only be managed by the bios

[07:50:52]

justinp_home:

yep, and my bios won't let me specify the IRQ on this card

[07:51:41]

justinp_home:

Regardless, I'm having absolutely no luck getting anything but "could not connect to socket"

[07:51:57]

justinp_home:

It's driving me up the wall

[07:52:08]

cesman:

justinp_home: you need to enable network control

[07:52:23]

cesman:

Utilities/Setup -> Setup -> General -> Fourth Page

[07:52:50]

justinp_home:

what for?

[07:52:52]

wagnerrp:

cesman: i think he was talking about lirc

[07:52:58]

cesman:

then exit and restart the frontend

[07:53:16]

cesman:

justinp_home: to use telnet control

[07:53:26]

justinp_home:

OK, cesman, thanks

[07:54:02]

cesman:

you're welcome

[07:54:44]

justinp_home:

back to the lirc thing...I've gone over several howtos, but no dice. Anybody feel like helping me hash this thing out?

[07:54:54]

troldrik (troldrik!n=cbaoth@0x57391dca.abnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk) has quit (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out))

[07:55:00]

justinp_home:

My wife is getting crabby...

[07:55:09]

LadyDeath (LadyDeath!i=i_45b5bf@S0106002215cf4409.gv.shawcable.net) has quit ()

[07:55:46]

** cesman can try **

[07:55:49]

wagnerrp:

nope, never used a blaster

[07:56:02]

wagnerrp:

although i didnt think there was any need for an STB in the UK

[07:56:33]

justinp_home:

Not in the UK

[07:56:49]

wagnerrp:

well, in europe in general

[07:56:58]

justinp_home:

heh, I'm in Wisconsin

[07:57:08]

wagnerrp:

you said good morning

[07:57:12]

justinp_home:

I said "morning" earlier because it's 2am

[07:57:19]

wagnerrp:

'Morning, folks'

[07:57:46]

justinp_home:

Weird...google seems to have gone kablooey

[07:58:04]

justinp_home:

...and now it's back

[07:58:22]

justinp_home:

for a few minutes there, I was getting no DNS resolution for google.com

[07:58:39]

justinp_home:

Anyway, where should I start hacking at this lirc thing?

[08:00:17]

cesman:

what distro are you using?

[08:00:23]

KraMer (KraMer!n=mark@adsl-70-240-211-149.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) has left #mythtv-users ("Leaving")

[08:00:27]

justinp_home:

Mythdora 5

[08:00:41]

cesman:

doh!

[08:00:45]

justinp_home:

?

[08:00:54]

cesman:

been years since I've used 'redhat'

[08:00:58]

justinp_home:

heh

[08:01:07]

cesman:

ok...general stuff

[08:01:17]

cesman:

you need a hardware.conf

[08:01:23]

justinp_home:

I'm not normally a fan of fedora, but it's been the easiest and most reliable up till now

[08:01:25]

cesman:

might be in /etc or /etc/lirc

[08:01:43]

cesman:

justinp_home: have you tried KnoppMyth

[08:01:51]

justinp_home:

Yup – hated it

[08:02:02]

** cesman asks as he created it and is always seeking feedback **

[08:02:11]

justinp_home:

doh!

[08:02:22]

** cesman wonders if he should stop helping now ;) **

[08:02:35]

jhulst (jhulst!n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))

[08:02:38]

cesman:

justinp_home: I'd welcome the feedback if you are so inclined

[08:02:42]

RyeBrye:

Anyone know if these things work with LIRC? My guess is "no" since I found nothing after some extensive googling... but figured I'd ask: http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=204 . . . ;dcaid=17902

[08:02:46]

justinp_home:

OK, to be more specific – it installed fine, and seemed to work, but felt...raw, I guess

[08:02:58]

cesman:

ahhh ok

[08:03:12]

cesman:

can you define "raw"

[08:03:22]

cesman:

do you have a hardware.conf and lircd.conf?

[08:03:23]

justinp_home:

Best I can describe it. Kinda like driving a 90's Ford Taurus.

[08:03:35]

RyeBrye:

cesman: if it makes you feel any better, I hated it too. It made me want to kill my children. ;)

[08:03:35]

cesman:

ahhh ok

[08:03:39]

justinp_home:

I have...no hardware.conf, apparently

[08:03:47]

RyeBrye:

cesman: Oh wait. That wasn't KnoppMyth – that was KnoppMeth

[08:03:53]

cesman:

lol

[08:04:34]

cesman:

justinp_home: have you tried the MythDora forum?

[08:05:07]

justinp_home:

I have – I will actually be seeing one of the devs at a local LUG meeting tomorrow

[08:05:27]

cesman:

justinp_home: once you have those two, you can try starting LIRC

[08:05:54]

psipsi_ (psipsi_!n=psipsi@rrcs-24-227-36-210.se.biz.rr.com) has quit (Connection timed out)

[08:05:55]

justinp_home:

Odd that I'm getting no errors about a missing hardware.conf

[08:06:15]

RyeBrye:

what lirc device?

[08:06:15]

cesman:

unless Fedora does it differently...

[08:06:19]

justinp_home:

That's what I dislike most about lirc, I think – the fact that it's completely unhelpful when it breaks

[08:07:51]

justinp_home:

This is the best I get: lircd-0.8.3-CVS[2567]: could not get file information for /dev/lirc1

[08:08:12]

RyeBrye:

Oh, a PCI-e serial card? how much did that run?

[08:08:32]

justinp_home:

Not much – I think I paid like $40 for it

[08:08:38]

justinp_home:

dual ports

[08:08:42]

** RyeBrye curses that CompUSA went under – because he now has nowhere to run to in order to find overpriced – but timely – computer stuff **

[08:09:06]

wagnerrp:

RyeBrye: youve always got microcenter and frys

[08:09:09]

RyeBrye:

I didn't realize that the box I am building my frontend in has no serial ports on the motherboard (damn Dell) until today

[08:09:15]

RyeBrye:

wagnerrp: Not near me I don't :(

[08:09:30]

justinp_home:

Same here, RyeBrye

[08:09:33]

RyeBrye:

The best I have is CircuitCity / BestBuy / Staples / WalMart :(

[08:09:46]

RyeBrye:

So... if you want a hard drive or a keyboard, you MIGHT be in luck

[08:12:46]

justinp_home:

Damn...

[08:13:19]

justinp_home:

tried ln -s /dev/lirc0 /dev/lirc1 but that didn't work either

[08:13:35]

RyeBrye:

you have any /dev/lirc devices created?

[08:13:49]

justinp_home:

yeah, /dev/lirc0

[08:14:02]

wagnerrp:

probably would have been better to pick up a usb-uirt or mceusb2

[08:14:24]

justinp_home:

I don't have /dev/lirc1 specified in any of the configs

[08:14:39]

justinp_home:

usb-uirt runs about $50 + s&h

[08:14:42]

RyeBrye:

justinp_home: did you see the fedora mythology page on the lirc setup?

[08:14:51]

justinp_home:

Nope

[08:14:54]

justinp_home:

where's that?

[08:15:16]

wagnerrp:

justinp_home: true, but your card was $40, plus whatever the parts to make a serial blaster cost

[08:15:29]

justinp_home:

wagnerrp, I have 2 irblasters from irblaster.info and a 2 port card

[08:15:42]

justinp_home:

was planning on using that hardware to control 2 stb's

[08:15:42]

RyeBrye:

justinp_home: http://www.wilsonet.com/mythtv/fc6myth.php <-- it's old, but the LIRC stuff is pretty good

[08:16:17]

RyeBrye:

"Most serial IR receivers should work with the lirc_serial module, but will need some extra parameters, such as port, irq, and possibly receiver type passed to them. All of them will require the following in /etc/modprobe.conf:

[08:16:17]

RyeBrye:

alias char-major-61 lirc_serial"

[08:16:21]

justinp_home:

Thing is, I bought both blasters before my old mobo took a crap, and at that point lirc was working fine

[08:16:38]

wagnerrp:

fair enough

[08:17:13]

RyeBrye:

I'm going to just use a bluetooth keyboard with mine until I figure out what I want to do for a remote

[08:17:28]

RyeBrye:

a USBUIRT might be a good option

[08:18:03]

RyeBrye:

the HD-PVR wont likely have LIRC support anytime soon, right?

[08:18:07]

wagnerrp:

i just ordered a pair of mceusb2s off newegg for $22 each, they only came with a single blaster though

[08:18:17]

Goga777 (Goga777!n=Goga777@shpd-92-101-142-149.vologda.ru) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:18:32]

RyeBrye:

I need 0 blasters – just a receiver

[08:18:35]

wagnerrp:

RyeBrye: thats probably a fair guess

[08:18:45]

justinp_home:

lucky, RyeBrye

[08:19:14]

RyeBrye:

my HD-PVR would work as a LIRC device – but I don't want to relocate it

[08:19:24]

justinp_home:

I wish TWC had a STB that could be controlled via direct cable

[08:19:27]

RyeBrye:

and running down to my basement every time I wanted to change the channel or pause the TV would be counterproductive ;0

[08:20:02]

** RyeBrye wonders if you could rig up some way to control a STB via JTAG :) **

[08:20:09]

justinp_home:

my stb has some whack-ass serial port on the back

[08:20:21]

wagnerrp:

jtag?

[08:21:29]

leprechau (leprechau!n=leprecha@c-69-180-227-158.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[08:21:41]

RyeBrye:

Yeah, it'd be a hack – and probably stupid – but JTAG is what you can use to flash / manipulate / whatever the hardware at a low level for things that have JTAG connections (i.e. reflash your cable modem / unbrick routers / etc)

[08:22:03]

leprechau (leprechau!n=leprecha@c-69-180-227-158.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:22:13]

justinp_home:

looks like a Mini DIN-8

[08:22:34]

RyeBrye:

I hate those random ports that exist on the back of devices with no apparent use

[08:22:40]

RyeBrye:

they just taunt me

[08:22:57]

justinp_home:

I'm even angrier about the really cool ports that are disabled

[08:23:12]

RyeBrye:

what is the model #?

[08:23:34]

justinp_home:

my HD STB has an e-SATA port and a USB port, and I think another one – all disabled

[08:23:45]

wagnerrp:

justinp_home: if you get them to swap out for a firewire box, you can usually control that, even if you cannot stream the channels you want over it

[08:24:00]

RyeBrye:

Do you know the model # off hand?

[08:24:06]

justinp_home:

The SD box hooked up to my BE is a Pioneer BD-V1100

[08:24:46]

justinp_home:

wagnerrp, does TWC actually have a firewire controllable box?

[08:24:55]

gilles (gilles!n=chatzill@70.134.97.255) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:25:00]

wagnerrp:

EVERYONE has a firewire controllable box

[08:25:03]

RyeBrye:

In the US? they have to provide you with one that has firewire enabled if you ask

[08:25:11]

wagnerrp:

they have to, FCC mandates so

[08:25:24]

RyeBrye:

if they don't, they get... well...

[08:25:28]

justinp_home:

Hmmm....really?

[08:25:29]

RyeBrye:

if they don't... hrmmm...

[08:25:33]

wagnerrp:

they can encrypt everything with 5c if they want

[08:25:33]

RyeBrye:

It's the Law, OK?

[08:25:37]

justinp_home:

That's intriguing

[08:25:43]

wagnerrp:

but you will still have control

[08:26:25]

justinp_home:

I'll have to give them a call

[08:26:43]

RyeBrye:

I asked my local cable company if they had firewire enabled boxes and they said "No" and I wrote them back and said "Are you sure? because: <pasted legal sections> " and the tech wrote back with much more detailed info... and... not surprisingly – they DID have firewire enabled boxes :)

[08:27:07]

wagnerrp:

yeah, sometimes it takes a bit of legal prodding

[08:27:08]

RyeBrye:

I don't think they were trying to cover anything up at first – just were lazy and assumed the answer was no

[08:27:23]

gilles:

I'm trying to setup a mythtv system for the first time on OSX and even thouth wiki suggests the backend doesn't work on osx, there are posts out there of success cases. Does anyone know what my chances are are getting a backend on osx (leopard) ?

[08:27:24]

RyeBrye:

but a little legal fire under the butt and they will actually look stuff up

[08:27:40]

RyeBrye:

gilles: concentrate and ask again later

[08:27:44]

RyeBrye:

gilles: signs point to no

[08:28:03]

gilles:

concentrate?

[08:28:05]

RyeBrye:

gilles: I have no clue, to be honest. The backend seems to compile

[08:28:11]

RyeBrye:

but I've never tried to run it

[08:28:29]

wagnerrp:

gilles: you may be able to get an HDHR, or firewire unit working on an OSX backend

[08:28:40]

wagnerrp:

but i doubt anything requiring V4L will work

[08:28:44]

gilles:

You're compiled it on OSX? ./configure didn't barf at ya with some endian stuff ?

[08:29:05]

RyeBrye:

giilles – don't use ./configure – use the OSX script in the contrib directory

[08:29:18]

RyeBrye:

I haven't compiled it in a long while, but I do at least know that much :)

[08:29:44]

gilles:

I only want to setup the front end as a media center to watch movies I already have. At this point, I'm not that interested in watching live tv (yet)... but it seems I need the backend anyway (?)

[08:30:05]

wagnerrp:

that is correct, the frontend will sit and complain if it cannot find a frontend

[08:30:09]

wagnerrp:

err... backend

[08:30:13]

gilles:

RyeBrye: you mean the perl script ?

[08:30:30]

wagnerrp:

if you dont want TV, look elsewhere. mythtv is probably not for you

[08:30:44]

gilles:

I hate frontrow.

[08:31:17]

RyeBrye:

gilles: – yeah... but I guess they moved it since it doesn't appear in trunk anymore

[08:31:22]

wagnerrp:

well there xbmc/boxee, and a whole slew of other program designed to make accessing video on your computer 'pretty'

[08:31:25]

RyeBrye:

gilles: but osx-packager.pl works like a charm

[08:31:35]

gilles:

plus I didn't see I wouldn't want to do it in the future. I'm wondering if I should setup a linux VM.

[08:32:08]

gilles:

... yeah, I don't see it. then again I grabbed the trunk...

[08:32:25]

wagnerrp:

if you can get the backend compiled, you can run the backend tunerless

[08:32:51]

justinp_home:

I'm thinking I might just use the dismal failure of my LIRC config as an excuse to upgrade to MD 10.21

[08:32:55]

wagnerrp:

it just sits there and worthlessly does nothing, but it must be run

[08:33:04]

gilles:

but it still needs a backend I'm assuming no?

[08:33:28]

RyeBrye:

gilles: try to get a prebuilt version from the sniderpad or whatever his name is

[08:33:34]

RyeBrye:

I think his .dmg files have backend and frontend on them

[08:33:46]

gilles:

I don't know I have a working mysql 5.1.30 and when I run the front end, it asks for a user/password (which I created with mysql) then it just quits.

[08:34:08]

gilles:

He doesn't have a backend prebuilt.

[08:34:26]

RyeBrye:

oh, yes he does

[08:34:31]

RyeBrye:

http://www.thesniderpad.com//component/option . . . y/Itemid,36/

[08:34:52]

RyeBrye:

link #4 – MythTV for Mac OS X Back End -Weekly – fixes builds

[08:35:02]

justinp_home:

Well, folks, I'm headed to bed – thanks for the help and the firewire bit

[08:35:08]

RyeBrye:

Link #6 – Backend NIghtly fixes builds

[08:35:09]

justinp_home:

I'll definitely check that out

[08:35:21]

gilles:

damn, thanks RyeBrye.... Google had NOT found that one for me...

[08:35:30]

RyeBrye:

Google sucks monkey nuts

[08:35:32]

justinp_home (justinp_home!n=mythtv@72.135.214.26) has quit ("Leaving")

[08:37:54]

gilles:

yeah, I should have asked here a long time ago... been googling my a** off with no luck. LOL

[08:40:23]

RyeBrye:

:)

[08:40:36]

RyeBrye:

IRC can be much faster than google. but much more rude too

[08:40:49]

** RyeBrye goes to bed **

[08:42:57]

strex:

Fuckin stupid ass mythdora!!

[09:05:07]

strex (strex!n=strex@ip70-162-253-52.ph.ph.cox.net) has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))

[09:09:15]

poodyp (poodyp!n=poodyp@cpe-76-87-115-2.socal.res.rr.com) has quit ()

[09:10:37]

poodyp (poodyp!n=poodyp@cpe-76-87-115-2.socal.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:31:30]

Hoxzer:

x

[09:33:11]

Penfold (Penfold!n=mikewh@alysande.altrion.org) has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep")

[09:39:44]

oobe (oobe!n=oobe@220-244-162-235.static.tpgi.com.au) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[09:42:10]

oobe (oobe!n=oobe@220-244-162-235.static.tpgi.com.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:44:23]

grokky (grokky!n=grokky@ppp118-208-147-10.lns10.mel4.internode.on.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:55:21]

gbee (gbee!n=gbee@cpc2-derb9-0-0-cust507.leic.cable.ntl.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:57:05]

psipsi_ (psipsi_!n=psipsi@rrcs-24-227-36-210.se.biz.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[10:14:45]

jvs (jvs!n=jvs@dyn167219.wlan.jku.at) has joined #mythtv-users

[10:19:45]

TomasuDlrrp is now known as Tomasu

[10:20:55]

psipsi__ (psipsi__!n=psipsi@rrcs-24-227-36-210.se.biz.rr.com) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[10:27:31]

Goga777 (Goga777!n=Goga777@shpd-92-101-142-149.vologda.ru) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[10:28:52]

judazz (judazz!n=gronslet@cm-84.208.182.112.getinternet.no) has joined #mythtv-users

[10:30:07]

Goga777 (Goga777!n=Goga777@shpd-92-101-142-149.vologda.ru) has joined #mythtv-users

[10:36:38]

pheld:

Is it possible to keep myth's player running in the background as a pure audio-player while doing other things in myth?

[10:38:22]

pheld:

Ex listen to live sat radio (DVB) or listen to the audio from a recorded concert while browsing the gallery or reading news

[10:46:39]

pheld:

Guess what I'm really looking for is a media-centric approach with a player running in all contexts within the application where individual components of the player (video/audio/etc) can be turned on/off between contexts based for example on information from the applied theme.

[10:46:57]

kali67 (kali67!n=kali67@c-24-7-47-22.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has quit ()

[10:48:06]

Penfold (Penfold!n=mikewh@alysande.altrion.org) has joined #mythtv-users

[10:48:32]

Goga777 (Goga777!n=Goga777@shpd-92-101-142-149.vologda.ru) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[10:48:56]

Goga777 (Goga777!n=Goga777@shpd-78-36-180-156.static.vologda.ru) has joined #mythtv-users

[10:50:23]

EvilGuru (EvilGuru!n=freddie@dyn1220-11.wlan.ic.ac.uk) has joined #mythtv-users

[10:51:14]

mchou:

pheld: doubtful

[10:51:34]

mchou:

why you'd want to use the myth audio player is beyond me

[10:51:43]

mchou:

have you tried using it?

[10:51:59]

mchou:

UI sucks big time

[10:52:15]

pheld:

not thinking about the UI at all.

[10:52:22]

mchou:

not to mention the stupid visualization crashes

[10:52:25]

mchou:

avoid

[10:52:38]

pheld:

more focus on using the audio-channel from videos as a background source

[10:53:01]

mchou:

use anything else

[10:53:05]

mchou:

mplayer

[10:53:10]

mchou:

works great

[10:53:25]

mchou:

play only audio w/o video

[10:53:46]

pheld:

I don't watch an audio player anyway ;) Tend to listen while doing other stuff instead

[10:53:52]

mchou:

or vice versa

[10:54:05]

judazz:

Hi, I'm using mythzoneminder, and have read http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythZoneMinder and searched to find out how to start/stop ZM from within MythTV, but couldn't find anything

[10:54:11]

judazz:

anyone knows if it is possible?

[10:54:42]

judazz:

eg. from the "zone minder console"

[10:54:42]

mchou:

pheld: you may not watch it but you have to use UI of some sort

[10:55:05]

pheld:

mchou: your approach is fine for a desktop environment, but not if the aim is to use myth as a single device for all media in a livingroom

[10:55:08]

mchou:

pheld: the UI is totally brain dead

[10:55:18]

mchou:

pheld: right

[10:56:05]

mchou:

pheld: I dont know what to recommend but I certainly know the myth audi player is NOT the answer you're seeking

[10:56:05]

pheld:

I don't really much of an UI for audio at all if it only can run at all times and respond to remote

[10:56:28]

mchou:

pheld: dude. I asked you a simple question

[10:56:39]

mchou:

pheld: have you tried using it?

[10:56:55]

pheld:

wasn't thinking mythmusic at all, but rather mythtv sans video

[10:57:16]

mchou:

san video?

[10:57:21]

mchou:

turn the TV off

[10:57:56]

pheld:

nope – using TV for gallery or news while listening to audio from DVB

[10:58:41]

pheld:

"sans" as meaning "without" ;)

[10:59:09]

mchou:

pheld: I speak french better than you do

[10:59:33]

pheld:

prollly (any>none;)

[11:00:57]

mchou:

myth is perfectly capable to tuning to dvb radio w/o video

[11:02:05]

mchou:

but i doubt it will ket you go to gallery or whatever

[11:02:09]

mchou:

let*

[11:02:21]

pheld:

is it in the maual somewhere?

[11:02:41]

mchou:

beats me

[11:02:52]

pheld:

All I've been able to do is "watch" live radio;)

[11:03:08]

mchou:

cut the smileys

[11:03:18]

mchou:

it's retarded

[11:03:26]

pheld:

whatever

[11:04:43]

pheld:

my issue is not that it is impossible to listen to dvb-radio with myth, but that I'd like to be able to do other things with myth while listening

[11:04:45]

mchou:

like I said, use xine or mplayer. both have lirc integration

[11:05:07]

mchou:

you're barking up the wrong tree

[11:05:10]

pheld:

but they integrate badly with myth out of the box

[11:05:26]

pheld:

again fine for a desktop, not so for htpc

[11:05:29]

mchou:

who mentioned anything about integration?

[11:07:04]

mchou:

I think separate apps for listening to dvbradio and gallery/news whatever is perfectly fine for HTPC as long as everything can be controlled by remote

[11:07:24]

mchou:

integration is overrated

[11:08:12]

pheld:

ideally I'd like a dektop themeable to an extent that makes it suitable for htpc

[11:08:32]

pheld:

belive that's a better alternative for the long term, but it's still some way off

[11:08:50]

mchou:

sure. source code is available. you want it, the means are there for you

[11:09:37]

mchou:

meanwhile virtually everyone will be satisfied with using separate apps

[11:09:40]

pheld:

neither kde nor gnome can gracefully handle swithing between themes that work at 2ft and 12ft yet

[11:10:28]

mchou:

yeah. go make your own fractal desktop.

[11:10:48]

mchou:

better yet, tell MSFT to build it in Windows 7

[11:11:34]

grokky:

howdy all. Possibly dumb question here, but I've just compiled latest trunk (just to have a look), and expected to see some of the new GUI stuff, but all I get is GANT or blue themes

[11:11:45]

pheld:

I prefer working on it myself (active developer in the gtk/gl camp), but this is hardly a one man show.

[11:12:25]

justinh:

grokky: you won't see any of the new gui tricks until somebody does a new theme

[11:12:48]

justinh:

none of the default themes are going to be changed much if any

[11:13:00]

justinh:

too much love for them, apparently

[11:13:04]

grokky:

Ah. For some reason I though the default and default-wide changes meant using a default theme would show some basic changes.

[11:13:08]

justinh:

nope

[11:13:57]

justinh:

one or two new $foo-ui.xml files are floating around to try with the new ui libs though. look on the mailing lists

[11:14:04]

Maliuta_ (Maliuta_!n=scooby@kiev.lusan.id.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[11:16:02]

justinh:

not anything which could be called a new theme though, yet

[11:16:36]

califdreas (califdreas!n=andreas@netblock-72-25-106-205.dslextreme.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[11:17:37]

justinh:

judazz: AFAIK mythzoneminder is just a viewing client

[11:18:28]

judazz:

justinh, ok, but one can enable/disable the individual cameras

[11:18:56]

justinh:

pheld: as for being able to use 'livetv' or 'watch recordings' & do other things in mythtv – it's not yet possible. Nor is it likely to be for some time. Somebody was working on getting streaming radio into mythmusic, so that'd almost be a half-way house for you

[11:20:09]

mchou:

not yet possible is an understatement

[11:20:25]

justinh:

AFAIK right now the internal player still can't play audio-only streams, though maybe that's changed since the last time I tried it

[11:20:28]

mchou:

one of the underpinnings of myth is modality

[11:20:53]

pheld:

justinh: I know. Was really fishing for experimental patches from people outside the core dev-group

[11:21:00]

justinh:

for DVB radio I think a dummy video stream is used wherever there's no mheg data for a radio channel

[11:21:32]

Maliuta (Maliuta!n=scooby@kiev.lusan.id.au) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[11:21:33]

justinh:

pheld: somebody here would likely have heard about such a thing if there was one, and to the best of my knowledge there's no such thing

[11:22:31]

justinh:

from what I know of the internal architecture of mythtv it'd be more than a mere patch anyway

[11:22:53]

mchou:

that's because all other folks in the same boat are perfectly statisfied using xine/mplayer

[11:23:41]

mchou:

I have no issues using xine as dvbradio player with remote and myth

[11:23:42]

pheld:

don't know any current efforts either. There was an attempt to turn myth into a "player-centric" architecture around 0.18 or so, but think it died (and the webpages with it)

[11:23:49]

justinh:

more like a pretty big re-write

[11:24:08]

justinh:

mpd.. yeah it died on its ass. good thing too IMHO

[11:24:28]

justinh:

AFAIK it was more music-oriented anyway

[11:24:49]

pheld:

not thinking of mpd. was more like mediaportal

[11:25:49]

justinh:

I made a mockup of mythtv playing video in the background of the menu screen.. but it was only a mockup made in video editing software

[11:26:20]

psofa_ (psofa_!n=psofa@adsl65-205.ath.forthnet.gr) has joined #mythtv-users

[11:26:31]

justinh:

it's on the cards, playing media in the background – certainly not as far away as it once was.. but there'd still be a long, long way to go

[11:26:56]

psofa_ (psofa_!n=psofa@adsl65-205.ath.forthnet.gr) has quit (Client Quit)

[11:27:00]

psofa_ (psofa_!n=psofa@adsl65-205.ath.forthnet.gr) has joined #mythtv-users

[11:27:41]

justinh:

at the very least the OSD libraries have to be converted to mythui first, and before that, more of the main ui needs to be ported to mythui

[11:30:42]

pheld:

the biggest change is that it is a completely diffent architecture to have the player in center instead of the menu

[11:31:33]

pheld:

that turns the entire menu into OSD-elements from an architectural perspective

[11:33:54]

justinh:

not that much of a change when you think how video can be flopped onto an opengl plane

[11:34:06]

justinh:

and mythtv's ui can now use opengl

[11:35:14]

justinh:

but for now at least, it has to remain a pipe dream :)

[11:36:22]

olejl1 (olejl1!n=olejl@92.96.108.208) has joined #mythtv-users

[11:37:16]

olejl (olejl!n=olejl@92.96.108.208) has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host))

[11:37:36]

olejl1 is now known as olejl

[11:39:00]

pheld:

justinh: based on existing technologies mine would be something like a version of BenQ's freesurf UI scaled up for HTPC with full mythbackend integration

[11:44:08]

justinh:

blech

[11:44:14]

justinh:

no need for a new frontend, man

[11:45:16]

justinh:

just take my word for it – the work currently being done is paving the way for something very much better than we have now

[11:48:15]

pheld:

yes. mockups and what's already in trunk looks good.

[11:49:08]

psipsi__ (psipsi__!n=psipsi@rrcs-24-227-36-210.se.biz.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[11:49:40]

justinh:

it' all going to look at least as 'nice' as XBMC et al, but with the added bonus few other 'media centers' have – i.e. it can record TV

[11:50:44]

justinh:

mediaportal is the ONLY open source media centre app which can actually record TV. Not counting freevo in that for various reasons, the main one being that nothing seems to be happening with it

[11:50:47]

octavsly (octavsly!n=octavian@195-241-244-119.ip.telfort.nl) has joined #mythtv-users

[11:51:23]

pheld:

it just doesn't quite fit in the idea of convergence between dektop, MID, and media-center where they are separated by little else than variations of theme.

[11:51:59]

pheld:

then you need an integration perspective beyond the handful of apps in current media-centers

[11:52:33]

justinh:

FWIW I don't ever want to have convergence on my desktop

[11:54:04]

pheld:

the desktop will probably come last.

[11:55:17]

pheld:

but there are already developments pointing to elements from current MID and mobiles to be used in MCs

[11:56:16]

pheld:

like phones, PVRs and MIDs using the same OS and GUI

[11:56:47]

xavier_ (xavier_!n=xavier@cpc1-swin3-0-0-cust176.sol2.cable.ntl.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[11:58:32]

xavier_ (xavier_!n=xavier@cpc1-swin3-0-0-cust176.sol2.cable.ntl.com) has quit (Client Quit)

[11:58:51]

psipsi (psipsi!n=psipsi@rrcs-24-227-36-210.se.biz.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:00:27]

andreax1 (andreax1!n=andreaz@p57B95982.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:02:59]

psipsi_ (psipsi_!n=psipsi@rrcs-24-227-36-210.se.biz.rr.com) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[12:02:59]

RyeBrye (RyeBrye!n=ryebrye@254.245.sfcn.org) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[12:02:59]

lyricnz (lyricnz!n=simonrob@d58-108-16-155.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[12:02:59]

andreax (andreax!n=andreaz@p57B95982.dip.t-dialin.net) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[12:02:59]

RobertLaptop (RobertLaptop!n=rmiddle@96.244.48.200) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[12:03:00]

jgoss (jgoss!n=josh@unaffiliated/jgoss) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[12:03:00]

Lord_Deathscythe (Lord_Deathscythe!n=chris@c-76-18-178-167.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[12:03:00]

[CSI]Octane ([CSI]Octane!n=Octane@c-98-218-237-80.hsd1.dc.comcast.net) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[12:03:00]

dashcloud (dashcloud!n=szakulec@pool-141-158-224-133.phil.east.verizon.net) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[12:03:00]

d00gster (d00gster!n=doughant@bas1-cooksville01-1279552227.dsl.bell.ca) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[12:03:00]

PointyPumper (PointyPumper!i=Pintlezz@190.244.90.37) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[12:03:00]

simcop2387 (simcop2387!n=simcop23@p3m/member/simcop2387) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[12:03:00]

J-e-f-f-A (J-e-f-f-A!n=mythtv@pool-173-48-112-114.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[12:03:00]

aegis (aegis!n=aegis@71.172.30.237) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[12:03:00]

clever (clever!n=clever@fctnnbsc16w-156034221163.pppoe-dynamic.nb.aliant.net) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[12:03:00]

meshe (meshe!n=working@216-19-178-71.stc.novuscom.net) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[12:03:00]

gbee (gbee!n=gbee@cpc2-derb9-0-0-cust507.leic.cable.ntl.com) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[12:03:00]

d0netsFN (d0netsFN!i=den0ts@illegal.filestash.org) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[12:03:00]

J-e-f-f-A|work (J-e-f-f-A|work!n=mythtv@pool-173-48-112-114.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[12:03:00]

Agrajag- (Agrajag-!n=filip@c211-30-185-177.artrmn2.nsw.optusnet.com.au) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[12:03:00]

quicksilver (quicksilver!n=jules@roobarb.crazydogs.org) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[12:03:00]

mgisbers (mgisbers!n=mgisbers@80.190.247.196) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[12:03:27]

dashcloud (dashcloud!n=szakulec@pool-141-158-224-133.phil.east.verizon.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:03:27]

Lord_Deathscythe (Lord_Deathscythe!n=chris@c-76-18-178-167.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:03:27]

psipsi_ (psipsi_!n=psipsi@rrcs-24-227-36-210.se.biz.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:03:27]

gbee (gbee!n=gbee@cpc2-derb9-0-0-cust507.leic.cable.ntl.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:03:27]

RyeBrye (RyeBrye!n=ryebrye@254.245.sfcn.org) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:03:27]

lyricnz (lyricnz!n=simonrob@d58-108-16-155.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:03:27]

RobertLaptop (RobertLaptop!n=rmiddle@96.244.48.200) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:03:27]

jgoss (jgoss!n=josh@unaffiliated/jgoss) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:03:27]

[CSI]Octane ([CSI]Octane!n=Octane@c-98-218-237-80.hsd1.dc.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:03:27]

d00gster (d00gster!n=doughant@bas1-cooksville01-1279552227.dsl.bell.ca) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:03:27]

PointyPumper (PointyPumper!i=Pintlezz@190.244.90.37) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:03:27]

simcop2387 (simcop2387!n=simcop23@p3m/member/simcop2387) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:03:27]

J-e-f-f-A (J-e-f-f-A!n=mythtv@pool-173-48-112-114.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:03:27]

aegis (aegis!n=aegis@71.172.30.237) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:03:27]

clever (clever!n=clever@fctnnbsc16w-156034221163.pppoe-dynamic.nb.aliant.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:03:27]

meshe (meshe!n=working@216-19-178-71.stc.novuscom.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:03:30]

d0netsFN (d0netsFN!i=den0ts@illegal.filestash.org) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:03:30]

J-e-f-f-A|work (J-e-f-f-A|work!n=mythtv@pool-173-48-112-114.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:03:30]

mgisbers (mgisbers!n=mgisbers@80.190.247.196) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:03:30]

Agrajag- (Agrajag-!n=filip@c211-30-185-177.artrmn2.nsw.optusnet.com.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:03:30]

quicksilver (quicksilver!n=jules@roobarb.crazydogs.org) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:05:10]

xavier_ (xavier_!n=xavier@cpc1-swin3-0-0-cust176.sol2.cable.ntl.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:06:06]

psipsi (psipsi!n=psipsi@rrcs-24-227-36-210.se.biz.rr.com) has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))

[12:06:10]

xavier_ is now known as xavierh

[12:06:32]

psipsi (psipsi!n=psipsi@rrcs-24-227-36-210.se.biz.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:09:41]

nuonguy (nuonguy!n=john@c-24-6-174-132.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep")

[12:12:30]

Dagmar (Dagmar!i=dagmar@unaffiliated/dagmar) has joined #MythTV-Users

[12:12:52]

Maliuta_ (Maliuta_!n=scooby@kiev.lusan.id.au) has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host))

[12:14:55]

psipsi_ (psipsi_!n=psipsi@rrcs-24-227-36-210.se.biz.rr.com) has quit (Connection timed out)

[12:19:13]

olejl1 (olejl1!n=olejl@92.96.108.208) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:19:19]

olejl (olejl!n=olejl@92.96.108.208) has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host))

[12:19:31]

olejl1 is now known as olejl

[12:24:46]

waxhead_ (waxhead_!n=pete@124.176.60.153) has quit ("Ex-Chat")

[12:28:04]

psipsi__ (psipsi__!n=psipsi@rrcs-24-227-36-210.se.biz.rr.com) has quit (Connection timed out)

[12:28:06]

Maliuta (Maliuta!n=scooby@kiev.lusan.id.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:30:37]

jvs (jvs!n=jvs@dyn167219.wlan.jku.at) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[12:34:54]

doc__ (doc__!n=doc@15.Red-80-37-209.staticIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:35:01]

doc__:

hi there o/

[12:40:03]

octavsly:

hi

[12:47:12]

jamiem (jamiem!n=jm|home@dilbert.jamiem.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:49:54]

zlyzyr (zlyzyr!n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:59:30]

jvs (jvs!n=jvs@dyn167219.wlan.jku.at) has joined #mythtv-users

[13:04:24]

rooau1:

grokky: You can see some examples of what could be done here http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/newtheme_watchrec4.png and others in that dir.

[13:14:22]

grokky:

rooau1: yes. I'd seen those and thought some of it was checked into SVN. oh well. I've been playing with trunk for a few hours and I'm tempted to leave it in production.

[13:16:04]

gbee:

the new themes aren't in SVN yet, they probably won't be until they are near complete

[13:17:00]

gbee:

because otherwise people would tend to bitch a lot – opening tickets for "Theme X is missing screens A, B and C"

[13:18:43]

rooau1:

gbee: Those latest screen shots are awesome.

[13:18:44]

gbee:

grokky: there are some very basic changes to the default themes, so using any theme would show that in certain screens

[13:19:30]

grokky:

very true. SVN seems to work ok with the old ones though, except for being slow to load new menus.

[13:19:57]

gbee:

grokky: yeah, that's just a cache bug which I intend to fix this weekend sometime

[13:20:19]

grokky:

VDPAU seems to work really well! Although I can only use 1x linearblend, I dont' think the 8400GS is up to more.

[13:20:37]

gbee:

intentionally the default themes don't vary radically from how it was before – for a start creating new graphics and layouts takes hours of thought/work which I wasn't prepared to spend on old themes

[13:21:39]

grokky:

Indeed. It is probably wise to leave the old themes to their peace, and let people come up with something new using mythui.

[13:21:44]

gbee:

or more to the point, the default themes (default, default-wide) are designed as last ditch fallbacks, so a screen should always be usable even if the theme you are using is missing it, but that means in 99% of cases they will never be seen

[13:22:07]

gbee:

and it's not worth the investment to make them very pretty

[13:24:58]

gbee:

I may start to make preview releases of themes such as the one in that screenshot available when I feel it's worthwhile, i.e. after more than 3 screens have been done

[13:25:42]

justinh:

whee I can see desk!

[13:26:09]

gbee:

but no longer the floor adjacent to the desk?

[13:26:20]

justinh:

actually that's still visible

[13:26:33]

grokky:

Well, I'm sure I won't be the only one happy to test when you're ready.

[13:26:34]

justinh:

and I have a new home for my old CRT monitor

[13:27:40]

justinh:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/ is home to concept-wide.. though only the watch recordings & mythvideo screens have been done so far. dunno if I'll continue with it in its current state or not. depends if other ideas I have take root

[13:28:15]

octavsly (octavsly!n=octavian@195-241-244-119.ip.telfort.nl) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[13:28:17]

octavsly (octavsly!n=octavian@195-241-244-119.ip.telfort.nl) has joined #mythtv-users

[13:28:26]

justinh:

it might not even work with current trunk... need to get a dev box running in some kind of usable state again

[13:28:30]

whop (whop!n=luk@83-177-70-201.cust.tele2.se) has joined #mythtv-users

[13:28:58]

justinh:

we need somebody to make a mythui friendly 4:3 theme

[13:29:32]

justinh:

the community I mean. I don't need one :)

[13:33:29]

gbee:

maybe we need a team effort, I'm not sure it could work, but if someone sets out a basic style with two or three concept images, then invites volunteers to pick some screens to work on

[13:33:31]

elg (elg!n=fugalh@c-76-113-14-195.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[13:33:55]

gbee:

it would either be a great success or a huge disaster

[13:34:52]

justinh:

I was thinking about that the other day. there are always going to be 'boring' screens few people want to work on

[13:35:10]

justinh:

and it's often the more mundane which can add finishing touches

[13:35:39]

gbee:

if it worked, then we could have a theme in a fraction of the time it would normally take one person working in their spare time

[13:35:47]

justinh:

true

[13:35:48]

gbee:

(months)

[13:36:13]

justinh:

I can churn something out in much less time but it takes a lot of snagging to get stuff right

[13:36:18]

gbee:

doesn't have to be the best theme available, just something which doesn't suck

[13:36:30]

justinh:

maybe have one guy doing the main work & others helping with the snagging

[13:36:45]

justinh:

for me that'd be the best way to work

[13:37:20]

justinh:

people are still finding stuff wrong with my themes, which is annoying in the extreme. stuff is too easily overlooked

[13:37:52]

kabtoffe (kabtoffe!n=kbergstr@hoasb-ff0ddd00-14.dhcp.inet.fi) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[13:38:01]

justinh:

though I took a lot more time getting things right in glass-wide & I've yet to find anything missing

[13:38:01]

gbee:

wish I could do it with this theme, but I'm a control freak on anything artwork related

[13:38:11]

elg (elg!n=fugalh@c-76-113-14-195.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) has quit ("So long and thanks for all the fish!")

[13:38:24]

justinh:

heh. I wish I could say I don't have a clue what you're talking about ;)

[13:39:16]

gbee:

finding problems is one thing, but having other people mess with the layout or graphics .... not sure I could do it

[13:39:17]

justinh:

I don't think there's a single submitted image I've allowed into grayhem & blootube

[13:39:23]

dmz (dmz!n=dmz@64.203.203.232.dyn-cm-pool-64.hargray.net) has quit ("Leaving")

[13:40:13]

justinh:

gbee: I think the layouts etc would be best decided before even editing an xml file in the case of a team effort

[13:40:21]

kabtoffe (kabtoffe!n=kbergstr@hoasb-ff0ddd00-14.dhcp.inet.fi) has joined #mythtv-users

[13:40:25]

gbee:

the images I'm using in 'newtheme' (working title) were all found in an hour on Image After, I'd gladly take suggestions for new/additional images

[13:40:39]

justinh:

then if kinks are found in testing, then talk about changing things

[13:41:43]

justinh:

gbee: is it just me or does some of the photo artwork in other 'skins' look decidedly 'stock photo'.. so probably therefore not strictly GPL friendly

[13:42:32]

justinh:

still left with the overall impression that some people still don't give a damn about licensing/use issues

[13:43:23]

justinh:

the links the 'xbmc skin team' posted on their forum are next to, or actually _are_ totally useless, so I'm left wondering where they got their nice sparkly photos

[13:43:32]

justinh:

lunchtime :)

[13:47:43]

directhex:

justinh, there are royalty free stock photo sites

[13:47:54]

directhex:

and free of charge too

[13:47:55]

gbee:

justinh: having searched and search for genuinely free (as in beer and money) images, I'd have to assume that a lot of themes are using stock photo suppliers – they might just have paid for liberal licenses, although I somehow doubt it

[13:50:39]

gbee:

having said that by not having a fixed idea of what I wanted when looking, I have found what I think are some good images – I just don't know that they are all right for the theme

[13:51:06]

directhex:

also, wikimedia commons

[13:51:11]

octavsly (octavsly!n=octavian@195-241-244-119.ip.telfort.nl) has quit ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12")

[13:59:28]

justinh:

I've seen the state of wikimedia commons images. phewey

[14:00:09]

justinh:

and 'free' stock photos (as in free of charge) ain't the same thing as 'free to do as you want with and distribute as you see fit'

[14:01:30]

justinh:

I've used stock xchg images in the past, but only ones which permit the kind of usage they got. there are some really nice ones on there.. just not many with usage terms that fit in with what we do

[14:11:41]

akv:

I'm concidering buying a DVB-C card – have seen the Technotrend Premium C-2300 Hybrid card and it looks nice, except it doesn't have HDTV decoder. Will it work with HDTV and just allow decoding in software or? Any other suggestions for a DVB-C card with CI?

[14:12:08]

poodyp (poodyp!n=poodyp@cpe-76-87-115-2.socal.res.rr.com) has quit ()

[14:12:15]

directhex:

it's all software decoded

[14:12:19]

justinh:

akv: mythtv won't work with any external HDTV decoders anyway, so the point is moot

[14:12:22]

directhex:

or, well, hardware in some specific cases, but not on the tv card

[14:12:50]

justinh:

the only hardware decoding option for HDTV is Nvidia VDPAU with mythtv right now

[14:13:27]

justinh:

mythtv != linux STB ;)

[14:13:28]

akv:

ah, maybe i'm confusing myself...of cause the mpeg2/4 feed from my cable provider is encoded...not like now where i have an analog encoder that does it for me...

[14:14:02]

justinh:

ah. you mean decoding as in DECRYPTION with a CI module & CAM as opposed to anything else

[14:14:35]

akv:

Then the technotrend budget card C-1501 might be better for me, it also has a HDTV tag?

[14:14:50]

akv:

justinh: no, but that thing has to be covered too

[14:15:01]

justinh:

one option for you might be one of the linux DVB-C cable boxes with a CI module streaming into a mythtv backend over the network

[14:15:20]

akv:

okay, got a link?

[14:15:33]

justinh:

if you're after a card to actually PLAY the received HDTV on the card with mythtv, forget it

[14:16:08]

akv:

what do you mean?

[14:16:20]

justinh:

akv: google for 'Dreambox'. I have no idea how they'd work with mythtv in any _real_ terms though, not having had personal experience of them

[14:16:48]

justinh:

akv: if you want the actually MPEG _PLAYBACK_ to be handled by the tuner card in mythtv you're out of luck

[14:16:55]

justinh:

s/actually/actual

[14:17:04]

akv:

yes, that's not what i need

[14:17:12]

akv:

i just wasn't thinking :)

[14:17:25]

justinh:

so just a CI slot you can plug your CAM & viewing card into...

[14:17:43]

akv:

i'm going to use the HDMI output

[14:17:52]

akv:

so the decoding will have to be in the processors

[14:18:07]

justinh:

basically it doesn't matter if the card is labelled 'HDTV' or not. all it needs to do is receive the streams

[14:18:20]

justinh:

akv: you'll need a pretty hefty CPU then

[14:18:23]

akv:

okay

[14:18:29]

akv:

justinh: for HDTV?

[14:18:39]

akv:

tought HD would be possible..and Full HD were impossible..

[14:18:45]

justinh:

I'm assuming you're in europe

[14:18:49]

akv:

i am

[14:18:55]

justinh:

in which case it's more than likely the HD will be encoded in h.264

[14:19:00]

akv:

yes

[14:19:07]

justinh:

and h.264 HD needs a LOT of grunt to play back

[14:19:10]

Tomasu is now known as Typosu

[14:19:31]

akv:

justinh: so my brand new dual 2.5GHz box might be too small? :)

[14:19:40]

justinh:

there are plenty of example files, all original clips that haven't been transcoded to try out

[14:19:48]

akv:

oh

[14:19:49]

justinh:

that'd prolly do it :)

[14:19:57]

akv:

oh, great!

[14:20:20]

akv:

which card should i go for then?

[14:20:21]

akv:

technotrend c-1501?

[14:20:26]

justinh:

download some sample files.. not MKV, not AVI.. original h.264 sample files

[14:21:25]

cattelan (cattelan!n=cattelan@c-24-118-127-188.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[14:21:32]

justinh:

akv: looks like you need a seperate CI module for that one, but they're freely available too. You'll also need to buy a CAM for the encryption your cable company uses

[14:22:11]

akv:

Are there any difference in CAM modules?

[14:22:23]

akv:

My provider has one they sell..?

[14:22:40]

justinh:

my advice would be to buy that one then :)

[14:23:03]

akv:

that was my tought...to be sure that everything worked :)

[14:23:59]

akv:

are there other cards that's recommendable?

[14:24:08]

justinh:

akv: http://x264.nl/h.264.samples/ is a page with some real sample files. they're short clips taken from actual HDTV channels without being altered in any way. In other words, they're representative of REAL WORLD HDTV

[14:24:22]

justinh:

akv: just any others which have linux drivers available

[14:24:35]

akv:

great, i'll fetch some of them for a test :)

[14:25:00]

justinh:

akv: for best results, try playing them in linux.. and with mythtv

[14:25:17]

dmz (dmz!n=dmz@64.203.203.232.dyn-cm-pool-64.hargray.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[14:25:21]

akv:

i'll do that

[14:26:07]

akv:

accually i'm only able to get a few channels in HD at the moment, but more will have to come later

[14:26:11]

justinh:

YMMV... there are still snafus in mythtv's handling of h.264, since it's a little way behind ffmpeg (mythtv uses snapshots of ffmpeg code which are periodically updated)

[14:26:47]

akv:

okay

[14:27:09]

kabtoffe (kabtoffe!n=kbergstr@hoasb-ff0ddd00-14.dhcp.inet.fi) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[14:27:37]

justinh:

a lot of it depends on how the stuff is encoded. some broadcasters do screwy things

[14:28:01]

akv:

harder compressions or like?

[14:28:03]

justinh:

s/some/most

[14:28:41]

justinh:

yeah that, and other stuff. stuff hardware decoders in STBs have no trouble with, but software has to work around

[14:29:04]

justinh:

so much for 'standards' eh

[14:29:05]

pheld:

worst with h.264 on dvb-s2 here is that trunk takes up to 7 or 8 min to detect an IDR-frame and start recording

[14:29:32]

justinh:

pheld: that'll only get better in time :)

[14:30:05]

pheld:

does it really differ how the various operators encode h.264?

[14:30:28]

pheld:

containers surely, but not the codec itself?

[14:31:31]

justinh:

oh yeah plenty of differences

[14:31:49]

akv:

justinh: just saw the example file and OH MY GOD! That looked amazing!

[14:31:53]

justinh:

h.264 has a myriad of parameters which vary from provider to provider

[14:32:06]

akv:

75–90% cpu usage (on one of two cores)

[14:32:12]

akv:

so it might work

[14:32:27]

justinh:

heh. if one core copes, you'll be fine with multithreaded h.264 playback in mythtv

[14:33:03]

justinh:

no guarantees though ;)

[14:33:09]

akv:

oh, there is multithreadded decoding?

[14:33:10]

justinh:

but it's a good indication so far

[14:33:35]

justinh:

yeah there's multithreaded decoding, but it's so far only any use for stuff encoded in slices – which happens to be the majority of broadcast material

[14:33:40]

pheld:

I've got 2 cores enabled in the config, but it never uses more than one of the cores on my E6600 lab box.

[14:34:09]

pheld:

need to oc from 2.4 to 3GHz for h.264

[14:34:22]

justinh:

if the source material isn't sliced it won't use more than one core

[14:34:31]

akv:

okay

[14:34:55]

justinh:

check myth has been built with multithreading enabled with mythfrontend --version

[14:35:08]

pheld:

makes sense, but that means no advantage of multicore on any HD-channels around here

[14:35:12]

justinh:

though I'd expect the max # of cores to be only one if it wasn't built that way

[14:36:25]

grokky:

justinh: just had a look at concept-wide. Nice. I really like the background and colour scheme.

[14:36:55]

squish102 (squish102!n=squish10@cpe-098-024-067-184.carolina.res.rr.com) has quit ("= oops wrong button")

[14:37:01]

justinh:

the background was just very quickly scribbled

[14:37:20]

akv:

justinh: doesn't seem like there is any "multi" in the mythfrontend --version output

[14:37:39]

grokky:

I like the dark blue. So many themese are bright.

[14:37:53]

jduggan:

where's the setting to say which timestretch to automatically use, it defaults to 1.1, i want 1.0? i thought it'd be in tv playback options but it's not there?

[14:38:10]

justinh:

akv: using_ffmpeg_threads is what you're looking for IIRC

[14:38:31]

justinh:

jduggan: playback groups?

[14:39:06]

jduggan:

ana

[14:39:08]

jduggan:

aha*

[14:39:09]

akv:

it's there

[14:39:11]

jduggan:

thanks justinh

[14:39:23]

justinh:

know your menus! :-D

[14:40:01]

justinh:

if anything ever moves though, I'm sunk :P

[14:40:33]

gbee:

obviously some of these photos are winners and others suck, or maybe they all suck – you tell me ;) http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/newtheme_menu.png http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/newtheme_menu2.png

[14:41:08]

gbee:

want a much better newspaper photo for a start, at least something about the fold and even better a stack

[14:41:25]

justinh:

don't fancy the 'watch videos' image much gbee

[14:41:37]

akv:

justinh: well, thanks for your time. I'm just going to find myself a card and get on with it :)

[14:41:41]

** justinh goes for a dig in his 'hq photos' directory **

[14:41:46]

gbee:

no? aww

[14:42:35]

justinh:

love the systems status pic

[14:42:43]

justinh:

and weather :)

[14:43:15]

gbee:

I'd agree that the video picture isn't too clear, not apparent what it is at a glance, but I did like the colour and reflection

[14:43:24]

gbee:

LOVE the weather one

[14:43:56]

gbee:

film can doesn't work

[14:44:17]

justinh:

I've got a better (IMHO) headphones pic here somewhere too

[14:44:35]

gbee:

web one, well I was going to use a spider web, but a) couldn't find a decent picture and b) I wasn't sure whether that would translate

[14:44:48]

Dibblah:

Stupid question – But in-action, is this flip changes or smooth transitions?

[14:45:03]

** Dibblah guesses flips... **

[14:45:09]

gbee:

for music playlist management I've got a photo of a rack of CDs in a store which I quite like the idea of

[14:46:05]

gbee:

Dibblah: flips, for now at least, I'm no longer promising that all the animation stuff will be ready for 0.22 – I was making a rod for my own back with that

[14:46:20]

Dibblah:

It looks like it'd be difficult.

[14:46:27]

kabtoffe (kabtoffe!n=kbergstr@hoasb-ff0ddd00-14.dhcp.inet.fi) has joined #mythtv-users

[14:46:35]

gbee:

0.22 maybe if Paul does as promised, otherwise 0.23

[14:48:51]

justinh:

gbee: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/photos/movie.png

[14:49:10]

Dibblah:

http://pendor.org/temp/

[14:49:15]

Dibblah:

Argh. Sorry – Wrong window.

[14:49:36]

justinh:

hmmm. I thought I had a better headphones pic but I can't find it

[14:49:47]

justinh:

only sucky plastic phillips ones

[14:50:21]

justinh:

gbee: actually this is where teamwork could come in handy.. image scrobbling :)

[14:50:32]

gbee:

between now and 0.22 I still have to complete porting the rest of the screens to mythui, finish some several other jobs that I wanted to see done and now complete this theme ... that's a lot of work if we want to see 0.22 sometime in the first half of the year

[14:50:39]

justinh:

& icon finding :)

[14:51:34]

gbee:

yeah, that's a better celluoid photo – don't happen to remember the source just so we can double check the license?

[14:52:10]

justinh:

can't remember but I used it in lootube so it'll be fine

[14:52:32]

justinh:

I checked them all voraciously

[14:52:38]

quantum (quantum!n=mythtv@cust-static194-28.BHI.COM) has joined #mythtv-users

[14:53:08]

quantum is now known as Guest14408

[14:53:08]

justinh:

oh hell. I've not got my reworked turntable image anywhere. this one has cruft & dust all over it

[14:53:22]

justinh:

took me AGES to clean that one up

[14:53:48]

gbee:

yay, vdpau is broken in trunk

[14:54:01]

Guest14408 is now known as quantum__

[14:54:29]

Dibblah:

Meh. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:H%C3%B6rlurar.jpg

[14:55:08]

justinh:

high res photos are all well & good but I don't want no pubes & dust on my theme images ta

[14:55:45]

justinh:

heh. that camera has a few hot pixels.

[14:55:45]

gbee:

justinh: heh, I've been cloning out the dust/hair/unidentified substances from some of these images

[14:56:26]

Dibblah:

:)

[14:56:47]

justinh:

where the hell are my nice headphones?

[14:57:33]

gbee:

nothing in that image of Dibblah

[14:57:43]

gbee:

's that I can't remove

[14:57:44]

** justinh hurriedly sets up a mini-studio **

[14:57:58]

Dibblah:

Obviously, it's not mine ;)

[14:58:14]

Dibblah:

What size are you actually needing?

[14:58:27]

justinh:

gimme a few mins folks

[14:58:40]

Dibblah:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Audio- . . . ATH-A500.jpg

[14:58:58]

justinh:

eew

[14:59:22]

kkuno (kkuno!n=wefw@151.64.203.141) has joined #mythtv-users

[14:59:50]

gbee:

bigger the better since if I have to edit/crop it's easier, the final image sizes are just 277x238

[15:00:18]

gbee:

but I've been thinking about making this theme 1920x1080 which means they would have to be at least 384x?

[15:01:45]

dgarr (dgarr!n=dgarrett@adsl-76-246-19-246.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:02:16]

gbee:

raw images I've been working with upto now have been 1200x1600, that sort of thing, at that res you can airbrush out dust/hairs etc and even with an amateur like me, the airbrushing won't be obvious when scaled to the final size

[15:03:33]

gbee:

That Technica image is fine for size, but has some pretty bad jpeg artifacts

[15:04:00]

gbee:

even looks like it went jpg -> gif -> jpg

[15:04:37]

gbee:

justinh: http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/newtheme_menu3.png

[15:06:28]

gbee:

anyway, if people want to compile a list of photos for me that would be great, just don't post a link at a time and maybe email them to me since I'll look at them all at once

[15:06:32]

gbee:

:)

[15:09:15]

justinh:

right let's see what I've got here

[15:09:44]

justinh:

white paper stuck over the flash makes a great ad-hoc diffuser ;)

[15:11:11]

** justinh makes a note to photograph his stacks of CDs at some point.. **

[15:11:17]

justinh:

(for insurance purposes)

[15:15:56]

justinh:

gbee: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/photos/phones.png – bit noisy.. disappointing really :(

[15:15:58]

gbee:

justinh: yeah I've seriously thought about taking my own photos for at least some of these, I've probably even got a few on a drive that would be suitable (went a bit crazy photographing things when I got my new camera)

[15:18:11]

gbee:

found that daylight works best for closeups, results in a brighter image with no noise due to the slow ISO speeds and doesn't have the yellowing effect of indoor lighting

[15:18:31]

justinh:

yeah. I couldn't be doodled with running outside

[15:18:33]

gbee:

taken a few shots on my windowsill for that reason

[15:18:52]

justinh:

my portable velvet curtain (oooer) comes in handy :)

[15:19:08]

mythrookie (mythrookie!n=similian@pD9E606B9.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:19:09]

gbee:

hehe

[15:19:15]

mythrookie:

hi gbee

[15:19:34]

mythrookie:

i wondered btw if you are part of the dev team ?

[15:19:57]

gbee:

scaled down that photo looks a lot better justinh, noise isn't obvious

[15:20:13]

gbee:

well less obvious anyway

[15:20:38]

mythrookie:

Iam looking into buying an ir device

[15:20:47]

RobertLaptop:

anyone here have any experience setting up commandir?

[15:21:04]

mythrookie:

does it matter which one i buy ? (cheap chinese vs. technisat)

[15:21:11]

mythrookie:

5 Euro vs 30 Euro

[15:22:29]

justinh:

gbee: s'ok I'll nip outside. just need to find my spare batteries

[15:23:09]

gbee:

justinh: saved it as a possible, don't want to do all the cropping/scaling and moving to the right directory if then come up with something better :)

[15:23:17]

porcodildo (porcodildo!n=wefw@151.64.203.141) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:23:33]

laga:

hum, i wonder if shiva kumar will answer my question..

[15:24:04]

gbee:

mythrookie: are those two questions related, "Are you a dev?" and "Which IR should I buy?"

[15:24:42]

gbee:

because the answer to the first is only yes if I'm not expected to answer the second ;)

[15:25:28]

mythrookie:

not related

[15:25:36]

mythrookie:

the one related to that one is

[15:25:48]

mythrookie:

how many inches are we away from .22

[15:25:53]

mythrookie:

(dont slap me)

[15:27:35]

gbee:

mythrookie: we're well past the halfway point and I get the feeling that most of the devs would like 0.22 to be released sometime in the first half of year (final release, not including any beta)

[15:28:01]

mythrookie:

thank you

[15:28:22]

gbee:

but I'm looking at the work I've yet to finish and it seems never ending :)

[15:28:27]

kslater (kslater!n=kslater@206.193.247.78.nauticom.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:28:33]

mythrookie:

your interface looks A M A Z I N G

[15:29:47]

gbee:

if I had a little more help, I'd be more optimistic about getting 0.22 out the door in say April/May

[15:30:16]

Neeesat2 (Neeesat2!n=neosat@213.7.115.130) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:30:17]

mythrookie:

sounds really good

[15:30:22]

Neeesat2:

Hello to all

[15:30:29]

mythrookie:

Hellow

[15:30:52]

gbee:

if I cut my expectations of what features are going to make the cut for 0.22, maybe just a little earlier

[15:31:02]

mythrookie:

wow

[15:31:09]

mythrookie:

i was expecting june

[15:31:32]

mythrookie:

but first half 09 sound good

[15:31:38]

gbee:

mythrookie: lot of ifs there, I'm saying June for now

[15:31:41]

Neeesat2:

I have build a client mythtv release-fixes version to a new pc and when I start mythfrontend I get: Registering Internal as a media playback plugin. Segmentation fault

[15:31:51]

mythrookie:

ok

[15:32:18]

grokky (grokky!n=grokky@ppp118-208-147-10.lns10.mel4.internode.on.net) has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep")

[15:32:37]

Neeesat2:

Any idea please?

[15:33:05]

gbee:

but _if_ something changes, _if_ more people help out with some of the necessary work and/or _if_ I decide to drop a couple of new features, then earlier would be possible

[15:33:19]

mythrookie:

driver

[15:33:41]

xavierh (xavierh!n=xavier@cpc1-swin3-0-0-cust176.sol2.cable.ntl.com) has left #mythtv-users ("Ex-Chat")

[15:34:24]

mythrookie:

I do qt with c++

[15:34:32]

kkuno (kkuno!n=wefw@151.64.203.141) has quit (Connection timed out)

[15:34:40]

mythrookie:

but just got started with myth :D

[15:34:42]

gbee:

_if_ I suddenly don't have the time to work on Myth, _if_ I or another dev are hit by a bus, take a new job, or start a family then it could slip to late 2009

[15:35:02]

mythrookie:

i know those factors

[15:35:02]

Neeesat2:

here is my syslog: kernel: mythfrontend[5853]: segfault at 63726170 ip b678e5b1 sp bfb25740 error 4 in libqt-mt.so.3.3.8[b6266000+6b5000]

[15:35:45]

mythrookie:

min 1 release date changes

[15:36:06]

Neeesat2:

Can someone help please?

[15:36:07]

mythrookie:

lets hope you plan March/April and delay to June

[15:36:10]

gbee:

now if someone were to pay me to work on Myth fulltime ... well, that's unfortunately unlikely to happen :/

[15:36:29]

mythrookie:

how many main devs do you have?

[15:36:41]

mythrookie:

(guess the wiki tells)

[15:37:01]

mythrookie:

Nee: does the frontend start up ?

[15:37:29]

gbee:

varies from month to month how many are active, how much time each spends on Myth, but around a dozen have been active in the last six months

[15:37:57]

Neeesat2:

no It start and I get segmentation fault and exits

[15:38:17]

gbee:

half of that number make regular commits

[15:38:40]

mythrookie:

Nee: Did you try your capture card w/o mythtv ?

[15:39:00]

mythrookie:

how do you guys decide if it is stable anyway?

[15:39:15]

Neeesat2:

I do not have a capture card on that machine

[15:39:25]

Neeesat2:

it's a client

[15:40:07]

justinh:

bbbrrrrrrrrrr

[15:41:13]

justinh:

reminds me I was going to get around to putting a card reader in my backend/server & do an automount scriptcle to wazz all the files into a shared dir... bah

[15:41:47]

mythrookie:

is there a cardreader tool for mythtv

[15:41:50]

mythrookie:

like on wii

[15:42:21]

justinh:

nope

[15:42:59]

justinh:

heh. images are still noisy. how much light does this piece of cack camera need?!

[15:46:10]

mythrookie:

i compiled 21 with 3.3.7

[15:46:37]

mythrookie:

but i guess your qt lib is fine

[15:46:37]

justinh:

and i can see reflections of the tree. bugger :)

[15:47:11]

Neeesat2:

I will upgrade my kernel to see how it will go

[15:47:58]

d00gster0 (d00gster0!n=doughant@bas1-cooksville01-1279552227.dsl.bell.ca) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:48:34]

mythrookie:

wait

[15:48:45]

Neeesat2:

?

[15:48:46]

mythrookie:

do you have qt installed (qt4)

[15:48:51]

Neeesat2:

yes

[15:49:07]

mythrookie:

check with ld what lib your frontend is using

[15:49:30]

Neeesat2:

how I do that?

[15:49:35]

mythrookie:

libqt-mt.so could be 4 instead of 3 i guess

[15:49:44]

mythrookie:

did you compile it yourself

[15:49:47]

Neeesat2:

yes

[15:50:13]

mythrookie:

what linux ?

[15:50:18]

Neeesat2:

debian

[15:50:29]

Neeesat2:

I was running trunk in before that

[15:50:39]

mythrookie:

still wann run trunk ?

[15:50:50]

Neeesat2:

no I run release now

[15:50:53]

pheld (pheld!n=heldal@81-31-236-106.net.nc-systems.no) has quit ("Leaving.")

[15:50:59]

mythrookie:

why not doing it debian way?

[15:51:03]

mythrookie:

apt-get

[15:51:21]

Neeesat2:

How I check what gt is using?

[15:51:29]

Neeesat2:

qt

[15:51:29]

mythrookie:

:D

[15:52:12]

mythrookie:

ldconfig -p | grep libqt

[15:52:43]

mythrookie:

but i cant help you debugging your custom build

[15:52:53]

gbee:

liqt-mt.so isn't used with qt4

[15:53:22]

lotia (lotia!n=lotia@c-68-40-199-249.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:53:45]

d00gster (d00gster!n=doughant@bas1-cooksville01-1279552227.dsl.bell.ca) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[15:53:51]

Neeesat2:

libqt-mt.so.3 (libc6) => /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3

[15:54:07]

Neeesat2:

it's using version 3

[15:56:00]

kkuno (kkuno!n=wefw@151.64.203.141) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:56:01]

academy (academy!n=adam@unaffilated/academy) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[15:56:38]

RobertLaptop (RobertLaptop!n=rmiddle@96.244.48.200) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[15:56:49]

gbee:

justinh: one of the other jobs that needs doing is writing short, one line descriptions for each of the menu entries as in this mockup – http://www.miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/newtheme_possible_menu.png

[15:57:03]

Dibblah (Dibblah!n=allan@80-192-14-169.cable.ubr02.dund.blueyonder.co.uk) has left #mythtv-users ()

[15:57:12]

Dibblah (Dibblah!n=allan@80-192-14-169.cable.ubr02.dund.blueyonder.co.uk) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:57:35]

gbee:

even better if it's done in XML, (watermark statetype)

[15:58:32]

mythrookie:

nice

[15:58:51]

gbee:

note I'm not singling you out, this is more generally for anyone who wants to help, but it needs a little coordination, knowledge of myth and basic writing skills ;)

[15:58:52]

jpabq (jpabq!n=jpabq@c-69-254-145-214.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:00:10]

mythrookie:

nee: I remember having a similiar error when running QT4 apps on a sys without proper qt4

[16:00:21]

justinh:

gbee: cool :)

[16:00:23]

mythrookie:

nee: its strange to see it in this context

[16:01:18]

Neeesat2:

I have it installed but the release-fixes version of myth doesn't use it

[16:01:20]

porcodildo (porcodildo!n=wefw@151.64.203.141) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[16:01:46]

mythrookie:

i feel like installing 0.22 and exploding in developer rage

[16:02:16]

mythrookie:

guess i would need till june to get even started

[16:02:56]

gbee:

Neeesat2: have you upgraded that machine at all since compiling myth?

[16:03:33]

mirak (mirak!n=mirak@81-66-70-98.rev.numericable.fr) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:04:11]

Neeesat2:

no I had trunk and I got back to release

[16:04:19]

atmaweapon (atmaweapon!n=atma@ip70-190-162-121.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:04:25]

atmaweapon (atmaweapon!n=atma@ip70-190-162-121.ph.ph.cox.net) has left #mythtv-users ()

[16:04:27]

atmaweapon (atmaweapon!n=atma@ip70-190-162-121.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:06:25]

gbee:

hmm, did you make sure all the trunk libs were uninstalled?

[16:07:27]

Neeesat2:

I just compile release and install it over it

[16:07:37]

Neeesat2:

I didnt remove qt4

[16:08:59]

Neeesat2:

Thats what I did on my myth server and it's working ok

[16:11:20]

Chutt (Chutt!n=ijr@dsl093-011-148.cle1.dsl.speakeasy.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:11:20]

Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v Chutt

[16:11:48]

gbee:

Neeesat2: using/installing any plugins?

[16:12:30]

revilootneg (revilootneg!n=oliver@pool-111-65-198-89.dbd-ipconnect.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:12:39]

gbee:

actually forget that

[16:12:45]

Neeesat2:

yes I have them installed all except mythmusic and browser

[16:13:01]

gbee:

make uninstall, make distclean, ./configure, make, make install

[16:13:21]

gbee:

do that for both mythtv and mythplugins (in that order)

[16:13:38]

Neeesat2:

ok I will

[16:14:02]

gbee:

something has probably broken during the build, I can't say what, but if it did, the above should fix it

[16:14:37]

Toast (Toast!n=matt@87.127.37.199) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:17:45]

Neeesat2:

thanks gbee lets see if it will be fixed

[16:20:23]

Chutt (Chutt!n=ijr@dsl093-011-148.cle1.dsl.speakeasy.net) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[16:21:32]

lotia (lotia!n=lotia@c-68-40-199-249.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has quit ()

[16:21:45]

notyjoey (notyjoey!n=joe@gateway2.fasti.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:23:00]

smithna (smithna!n=smithna@c-71-207-20-172.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:23:56]

Chutt (Chutt!n=ijr@dsl093-011-148.cle1.dsl.speakeasy.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:23:56]

Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v Chutt

[16:28:37]

Neeesat2:

nope again the same error

[16:31:22]

justinh:

time to take the waggy one out

[16:32:46]

iamlindoro_:

rm /usr/lib/mythtv/plugins/*

[16:32:58]

iamlindoro_:

(or /usr/local/lib/mythtv/plugins/*)

[16:33:14]

iamlindoro_:

then recompile and install

[16:33:21]

iamlindoro_:

and I'm off

[16:34:47]

Neeesat2:

I will try thanks

[16:41:06]

DuppyK (DuppyK!n=DuppyK@host-84-9-52-63.dslgb.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:41:35]

olejl (olejl!n=olejl@92.96.108.208) has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer))

[16:42:02]

olejl (olejl!n=olejl@92.96.108.208) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:44:41]

Hoxzer_ (Hoxzer_!n=dsadsad@f124b.paawola.tontut.fi) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:51:02]

olejl (olejl!n=olejl@92.96.108.208) has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host))

[16:51:18]

olejl (olejl!n=olejl@92.96.108.208) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:57:18]

mythrookie (mythrookie!n=similian@pD9E606B9.dip.t-dialin.net) has left #mythtv-users ()

[17:00:13]

Hoxzer_ (Hoxzer_!n=dsadsad@f124b.paawola.tontut.fi) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[17:00:39]

squish102 (squish102!n=squish10@cpe-098-024-067-184.carolina.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:01:00]

lotia (lotia!n=lotia@c-68-40-199-249.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:01:11]

gnome42 (gnome42!n=gnome42@76-10-139-80.dsl.teksavvy.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:01:32]

kkuno (kkuno!n=wefw@151.64.203.141) has quit ("Sto andando via")

[17:02:29]

quantum__ (quantum__!n=mythtv@cust-static194-28.BHI.COM) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[17:07:44]

brayton (brayton!n=brayton@139.102.250.247) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:10:01]

brayton:

ok lirc question: i have irexec set up to call a shell script like so http://pastebin.com/m569d2056. any ideas why its not working?

[17:16:13]

mikal (mikal!n=mikal@69-12-129-6.dsl.static.sonic.net) has quit ()

[17:18:30]

david__ (david__!n=david@farend.plus.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:19:21]

david__:

Hi, I'm an IRC newbie, but have been using MythTV for about 4 years

[17:19:49]

david__:

I have a problem that's been ocurring for about a week and have been unable to resolve it using my normal techniques

[17:20:44]

brayton (brayton!n=brayton@139.102.250.247) has quit ("Leaving")

[17:21:29]

david__:

I'm not a C++ developer, but I've got as far as gdb and found that it seems "MPEGStreamData::IsEncryptionTestPID()" and "ThreadedFileWriter::SyncLoop()" are the methods that are on the active looking threads when the mythbackend process gets into trouble

[17:22:02]

david__:

I'm not sure what debug information would be useful to help anyone diagnose this

[17:22:28]

david__:

uname -a: Linux oak.forest.myforest.com 2.6.27.9–159.fc10.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Dec 16 14:47:52 EST 2008 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

[17:23:26]

david__:

mythbackend --version: 0.21–15.fc10 with API of 0.21.20080304–1

[17:27:00]

lotia (lotia!n=lotia@c-68-40-199-249.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has quit ()

[17:27:19]

Neeesat2:

All worked ok after removing /usr/local/lib/mythtv/plugins/*

[17:27:52]

justinh:

david__: pop a backtrace from gdb into a pastebin & get folks to have a look at it.

[17:28:04]

david__:

OK, thanks, will do

[17:28:18]

justinh:

I won't be able to help though.. can't make head nor tail of gdb output

[17:28:37]

david__:

Nor me yet – I'm really using kdbg which is helping alot

[17:29:47]

academy (academy!n=adam@unaffilated/academy) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:30:24]

academy:

I need to upgrade my fx5200 because I'm now using both mythtv and boxee. What new nvidia card would you recommend? How stable is vdpau?

[17:30:34]

Neeesat2 (Neeesat2!n=neosat@213.7.115.130) has quit ()

[17:38:13]

jvs (jvs!n=jvs@dyn167219.wlan.jku.at) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[17:38:52]

leprechau (leprechau!n=leprecha@c-69-180-227-158.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[17:39:01]

Toast:

Has anyone ever seen this error when trying to run mythtv-setup on a remote X session? "X Error: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) 8"

[17:39:32]

leprechau (leprechau!n=leprecha@c-71-228-207-78.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:40:09]

Toast:

The backend is running Debian, and the host is running Ubuntu Ibex.

[17:43:55]

zlyzyr (zlyzyr!n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[17:44:49]

zlyzyr (zlyzyr!n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:47:09]

mythrookie (mythrookie!n=similian@pD9E606B9.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:47:13]

mythrookie:

back

[17:47:18]

mythrookie:

i just found out

[17:47:30]

mythrookie:

my dvd playback is choppy as

[17:47:45]

mythrookie:

and buggy

[17:47:48]

mythrookie:

anyway

[17:48:02]

mythrookie:

what do you guys use as remote in mythtv?

[17:48:15]

mythrookie:

cuz keyboard is a pita

[17:48:16]

wagnerrp:

the receiver on my hauppauge 150

[17:48:46]

mythrookie:

i have a skystar but did not get a remote

[17:48:55]

mythrookie:

what device should i buy ?

[17:49:37]

wagnerrp:

the big two are the usb-uirt, or something compatible with the mceusb2 driver

[17:50:43]

justinh:

mce remote kits are popular round here

[17:50:47]

lotia (lotia!n=lotia@c-68-40-199-249.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:51:01]

RobertLaptop (RobertLaptop!n=rmiddle@mb30736d0.tmodns.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:51:11]

wagnerrp:

search comments before you buy a mce remote kit

[17:51:23]

Newsome (Newsome!n=sorenson@dsl081-138-007.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:51:28]

wagnerrp:

theres a lot of 'vista' and 'mce' branded stuff out there

[17:51:37]

wagnerrp:

but only some works with the mceusb2 driver

[17:52:11]

jk1joel (jk1joel!n=jsmith@ns.jk1.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:52:22]

david__:

I'm very happy with my ATI Sapphire remote. It works over radio (using X10) so controls my server in another room

[17:52:26]

academy:

Anyone here use vdpau? How stable is it?

[17:52:39]

mythrookie:

(googling the buzzwords)

[17:52:40]

iamlindoro_:

not at all stable. Not for non-developer non-contributor use

[17:52:43]

david__:

The ati_remote model is now in the kernel so it works without too much tinkering

[17:52:54]

david__:

(model=> module)

[17:52:56]

iamlindoro_:

Unless you are okay with the literal threat of it burning out your GPU, which it can, avoid for now

[17:52:57]

mythrookie:

i was searching for something with IR and LIRC to buy before

[17:53:08]

mythrookie:

no luck a all what so ever

[17:53:18]

academy:

iamlindoro_: really?

[17:53:25]

iamlindoro_:

yes, really

[17:53:41]

david__:

ati_remote is picked up by evdev so no need for LIRC, you just use a key map (say using xmodmap)

[17:53:43]

academy:

heh. Is there a ticket to do with that? You've peaked my curiosity

[17:53:46]

iamlindoro_:

At least one myth dev with a permanently damaged GPU

[17:53:55]

iamlindoro_:

No, because it has nothing to do with myth code

[17:54:06]

iamlindoro_:

And everything to do with broken drivers/implementation

[17:54:15]

mythrookie:

nice one

[17:54:28]

iamlindoro_:

So yeah, VDPAU = not ready for primetime yet

[17:54:30]

wagnerrp:

its an alpha grade feature in beta drivers

[17:54:31]

david__:

Oh, and the ATI remote is a USB device so that's easy too

[17:54:31]

squidly:

i've got an issue with my backend. I can delete a recoarding but as soon as I do it comes back

[17:54:34]

iamlindoro_:

(but very promising)

[17:54:44]

wagnerrp:

its the kind of stuff that really is 'at your own risk'

[17:54:49]

academy:

Alright. If you were buying a card now, is it worth going for a 9400 card to futureproof or would an 8 series do?

[17:55:05]

academy:

cost difference is minor

[17:55:20]

wagnerrp:

some 8400GS cards are actually G98 chips

[17:55:26]

jams:

that feature to randomly destroy the GPU is just another ploy to sell more video cards.

[17:55:33]

iamlindoro_:

Depends on what material you mostly deal with. If you have a lot/some VC1 material, then get a *new* 8400 GS or 9300/9400

[17:55:54]

iamlindoro_:

If all you care about is mpeg-2 and h.264 then get any 8 or 9 series you like aside from the 8100 or 8800 GTX

[17:55:55]

wagnerrp:

but if you dont ever plan to use VC1 based BR/HDDVD disks, theres no point to worrying about it

[17:56:21]

academy:

Alright, thanks.

[17:56:26]

david__:

I'm using a GeForce 7900 GTX and it's quite dandy with Fedora 10 / KDE 4's eye candy and playing 720x576 DVB streams at 1360x768

[17:56:41]

academy:

what does the GT prefix mean, ooi?

[17:56:44]

david__:

My stuff is all MPEG2

[17:56:45]

iamlindoro_:

david__, Too bad the GPU has practically nothing to do with that

[17:56:45]

wagnerrp:

david__: youre not using VDPAU

[17:56:55]

academy:

*suffix

[17:57:18]

wagnerrp:

academy: it means absolutely nothing, its just their model name syntax

[17:57:29]

academy:

wagnerrp: ok

[17:57:45]

david__:

Apparently my "series" is G71 (I think)

[17:57:45]

wagnerrp:

usually the performance goes: GS GT GTX

[17:58:00]

wagnerrp:

but at least on my card, my GS was faster than the older GTs

[17:58:01]

iamlindoro_:

david__, Not relevant to VDPAU, your card isn't capable of it

[17:58:45]

david__:

Sorry – I see what you mean, I mistook it for a generic question

[17:58:49]

mythrookie:

MCE is not ir right ?

[17:59:00]

wagnerrp:

MCE IS ir

[17:59:18]

wagnerrp:

the ATI receivers are one of a very few number of devices that actually arent IR

[17:59:19]

academy:

I think I'll go for this then – seems to fit the bill: Inno3D 9500GT Passive Edition 512MB DDR2 VGA DVI TV Out PCI-E Graphics Card

[17:59:34]

squidly:

ok I got it fixed. it was a permissons issue (tyvm gentoo)

[18:00:16]

mythrookie:

can i use any remote with an MCE usb dongle?

[18:00:30]

iamlindoro_:

academy, It's very likely you can get a late-model 8400 GS for the same price or less and it will do VC1

[18:00:43]

wagnerrp:

any learning/programmable remote, certainly

[18:00:53]

wagnerrp:

but i dont know if it will accept arbitrary codes

[18:01:05]

david__:

My remote is like this: http://www.dooyoo.co.uk/remote-control/sapphi . . . control-bob/ – it's not pretty, but it's fairly baby-proof

[18:01:20]

jduggan:

well the new ui allow for scolling past the top to get to the bottom (and vice versa)

[18:01:25]

david__:

My non-IR remote can't control any other devices inthe house

[18:01:41]

iamlindoro_:

jduggan, at the discretion of the themer

[18:01:41]

jduggan:

scrolling*

[18:01:48]

jduggan:

iamlindoro_: excellent

[18:02:03]

jduggan:

is the .21 ui capable of it

[18:02:05]

jduggan:

if i mod the theme

[18:02:08]

academy:

iamlindoro_: I thought you said the 9500GT did VC1?

[18:02:17]

iamlindoro_:

academy, re-read

[18:02:24]

wagnerrp:

david__: thats what you get for buying an RF remote

[18:02:29]

iamlindoro_:

"<iamlindoro_> Depends on what material you mostly deal with. If you have a lot/some VC1 material, then get a *new* 8400 GS or 9300/9400"

[18:03:04]

academy:

iamlindoro_: so the 9400 decods it but not the 9500?

[18:03:06]

mythrookie:

i guess usb uirt can be used with all ir remotes

[18:03:31]

wagnerrp:

mythrookie: that is correct, but unlike most, it does not come with a remote. you have to provide your own

[18:03:35]

david__:

non-IR is fine as I don't have any IR equipment. Myth controls the volume and the TV standby (using dpms) and restart (when a key is pressed) so all is sweetness and light (for me at least)

[18:03:37]

** iamlindoro_ wonders how he can be more clear when he's already said the same thing twice **

[18:03:57]

mythrookie:

not a problem

[18:04:03]

wagnerrp:

david__: you dont have a TV?

[18:04:04]

mythrookie:

but its a shicker

[18:04:10]

mythrookie:

50 Dollars

[18:04:15]

mythrookie:

shocker i mean

[18:05:10]

david__:

remote: yes, I have a TV, but I don't use it's remote control. Myth does everything for me

[18:05:27]

wagnerrp:

mythrookie: i picked up one of these a few months back http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121235

[18:05:28]

mythrookie:

for 50 Bucks i got my Skystar 2 / a Zalmann fan and a FX52000

[18:05:46]

wagnerrp:

ive not actually tried VC1, but it reports having a G98 chip and being able to decode VC1

[18:05:59]

mythrookie:

Dear baby lord

[18:06:12]

mythrookie:

sweet

[18:06:18]

mythrookie:

but i need Lowprofile

[18:06:27]

wagnerrp:

so picky...

[18:06:28]

mythrookie:

since i built my old mini itx

[18:06:39]

mythrookie:

into a classic Beta1000 Recorder

[18:06:54]

academy:

How can I tell whether a card is a new or old model 8400?

[18:07:02]

mythrookie:

smell

[18:07:19]

academy:

heh

[18:07:32]

mythrookie:

( sorry i have no clue )

[18:07:39]

academy:

I don't understand why a 9500GT, being a higher model than the 9400gs wouldn't decode VC1.

[18:07:45]

wagnerrp:

academy: its been discussed at length in the last, with no conclusions

[18:07:48]

mythrookie:

I would not be picky at all about the ir

[18:08:04]

iamlindoro_:

except to say that *most* 8400 GS'es being manufactured today should be g98

[18:08:04]

mythrookie:

i just dont know if its compatible with mythtv

[18:08:11]

academy:

wagnerrp: ahh ok.

[18:08:23]

academy:

This is what I'm looking at: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/145832

[18:08:25]

justinh:

jduggan: wrapping in 0.21 is not possible and AFAIK it's not quite working properly in mythui either

[18:08:51]

iamlindoro_:

academy, do not buy a 256 MB card

[18:08:58]

iamlindoro_:

You need 512+

[18:09:02]

academy:

iamlindoro_: ok

[18:09:03]

justinh:

though in the menu screens in 0.21, wrapping IS possible – but that's the only place

[18:09:17]

mythrookie:

this for example http://www.alfa888.net/ebay/tpschb/etbg211ob.jpg

[18:09:21]

iamlindoro_:

!trout cheapasses

[18:09:21]

** MythLogBot slaps cheapasses with a trout on behalf of iamlindoro_... **

[18:09:22]

mythrookie:

what is that ?

[18:09:28]

jduggan:

justinh: thanks

[18:09:30]

jamesd (jamesd!n=jamesd@adsl-68-76-156-249.dsl.akrnoh.ameritech.net) has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer))

[18:09:48]

academy:

:)

[18:09:51]

iamlindoro_:

mythrookie, it's similar to mceusb, but unlikely to be one

[18:10:06]

mythrookie:

its 5 Euros

[18:10:08]

justinh:

dunno what's wrong with people just buying an MS remote kit

[18:10:09]

mythrookie:

:D

[18:10:15]

iamlindoro_:

Pinnacle makes an mceusb that some people *think* won't work,b ut actually will, you just need to compile recent lirc

[18:10:20]

mythrookie:

what is MS ?

[18:10:27]

iamlindoro_:

Microsoft

[18:10:29]

justinh:

MicroSoft, dummy :)

[18:10:30]

mythrookie:

ahhhhhhhhhh

[18:10:34]

iamlindoro_:

they're this little mom and pop computer company

[18:10:42]

iamlindoro_:

pretty much a regional thing

[18:10:46]

wagnerrp:

ran out of a garage

[18:10:49]

iamlindoro_:

so long as region = earth

[18:10:56]

justinh:

they might amount to something one day, if those remotes get popular :-P

[18:10:57]

mythrookie:

thats better folks

[18:11:03]

mythrookie:

thanks

[18:11:16]

justinh:

and it'll pretty much just work out of the box with lirc (tm)

[18:11:29]

justinh:

path of less hassle, and they ain't bad remotes either

[18:11:41]

wagnerrp:

yeah, theyre limited to earth. but as anyone who has seen independence day, apples can interface with alien computers!

[18:11:54]

justinh:

wagnerrp: yeah but only to give em viruses

[18:12:06]

mythrookie:

regarding gfx i bought a lowprofile MSI FX5200 for 10 Euros

[18:12:31]

jk1joel (jk1joel!n=jsmith@ns.jk1.net) has quit ("Leaving.")

[18:12:37]

justinh:

mythrookie: good enough for standard def. tv :)

[18:12:37]

wagnerrp:

so... just continue using that 5200 for the time being

[18:12:42]

iamlindoro_:

!trout cheapasses spiked poison tipped

[18:12:42]

** MythLogBot slaps cheapasses with a spiked poison tipped trout on behalf of iamlindoro_... **

[18:12:44]

mythrookie:

(googling Garage Compane remote kit)

[18:12:44]

jk1joel (jk1joel!n=jsmith@ns.jk1.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:12:51]

academy:

how about these two? http://www.ebuyer.com/product/149063 http://www.ebuyer.com/product/150345

[18:12:57]

mythrookie:

no HD as well

[18:13:01]

mythrookie:

?!?

[18:13:08]

justinh:

mythrookie: no viddypow!

[18:13:14]

wagnerrp:

when 0.22 comes out with VDPAU support, you may want to upgrade to a (now cheap) 9400

[18:13:21]

iamlindoro_:

academy, I would go fo the 8400 MSI of those two

[18:13:32]

mythrookie:

so i wasted money?

[18:13:47]

iamlindoro_:

passively cooled, cheaper, and almost certainly a g98

[18:13:47]

davez0r (davez0r!n=davez0r@z.dsl.xmission.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:13:50]

justinh:

mythrookie: pretty much, but can you even receive HD yet?

[18:13:58]

mythrookie:

of course

[18:14:13]

justinh:

you can always just use your CPU if it has enonugh grunt

[18:14:15]

wagnerrp:

clock speed seems more like one of the old G86 chips

[18:14:15]

iamlindoro_:

mythrookie, depends on what your CPU is... if you have a behemoth CPU you can probably still play most HD with it... but if you want GPU offload, then the 5200 is not adequate

[18:14:29]

mythrookie:

AMD 2000+

[18:14:29]

academy:

iamlindoro_: ok, thank you for your help

[18:14:33]

justinh:

mpeg2 HDTV needs only about 2.4Ghz por so single core

[18:14:56]

mythrookie:

glad i did not buy the skystar HD yet

[18:14:59]

justinh:

h.264 HD, you're looking at a core 2 duo with > 1.8Ghz to be on the safe side

[18:15:08]

mythrookie:

nice

[18:15:14]

justinh:

and in europe, hd tends to be h.264

[18:15:19]

** mythrookie is totaly underpowered **

[18:15:29]

Computer_Czar (Computer_Czar!n=Drake@71.5.23.96.ptr.us.xo.net) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[18:15:43]

leprechau (leprechau!n=leprecha@c-71-228-207-78.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) has quit (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out))

[18:15:58]

justinh:

anyway you're outputting to a normal TV, I thought.. so there's little point having HD

[18:16:05]

perilousapricot (perilousapricot!n=bucky@c-69-245-59-153.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:16:11]

mythrookie:

yes :D iam glad

[18:16:27]

leprechau (leprechau!n=leprecha@c-71-228-207-78.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:16:29]

justinh:

though even on a standard def. TV, HD looks better than SD sources

[18:16:41]

justinh:

not much, but there's a visible improvement

[18:16:57]

justinh:

but then, shows shot in HD but shown in SD look better than those shot in SD too

[18:16:58]

iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp, Hmm, I'm seeing clock specs for g98 at 567 Mhz, that seems in like with the MSI's 550... did I miss something?

[18:17:16]

iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp, ah, I did :)

[18:17:27]

jvs (jvs!n=jvs@cpe90-146-210-116.liwest.at) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:17:27]

jamesd (jamesd!n=jamesd@adsl-68-76-156-249.dsl.akrnoh.ameritech.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:17:34]

iamlindoro_:

academy, wagnerrp is right, that card's clock speed seems to indicate it might be the old version

[18:17:39]

mythrookie:

skystar hd requires a 1,8 P4 with 512 RAM

[18:17:47]

justinh:

mythrookie: BS

[18:17:56]

iamlindoro_:

academy, look for a 8400 GS that has 550 or 567 Mhz clock speed, that should be a g98

[18:17:57]

mythrookie:

Battlestar?

[18:18:01]

justinh:

mythrookie: bull

[18:18:04]

mythrookie:

ok

[18:18:08]

iamlindoro_:

Bulllllllll s.........

[18:18:09]

mythrookie:

:D

[18:18:15]

mythrookie:

yes i got it

[18:18:19]

mythrookie:

Bull snap

[18:18:44]

mythrookie:

side note

[18:18:44]

justinh:

you can basically ignore the specs TV tuner card manufacturers put on the box

[18:18:48]

mythrookie:

in font size 1

[18:19:02]

justinh:

at least as far as what spec machine you need is concerned :)

[18:19:34]

jvs (jvs!n=jvs@cpe90-146-210-116.liwest.at) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[18:19:40]

mythrookie:

h264 needs a Dualcore with 2GHZ and 1024 MB RAM dual channel

[18:19:47]

justinh:

a 1.8Ghz pentium 4 would probably be almost fine with mpeg2 HD at 1080i but er..

[18:19:50]

iamlindoro_:

What the heck is this ebuyer anyway, do they *only* stock complete crap?

[18:19:53]

justinh:

yup

[18:20:02]

wagnerrp:

mythrookie: thats absolutely not true

[18:20:03]

mythrookie:

PCIe 256 MB Ram and Hardware Overlay

[18:20:08]

Computer_Czar (Computer_Czar!n=Drake@71.5.23.96.ptr.us.xo.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:20:10]

justinh:

iamlindoro_: pretty much. it can be hard to find the good stuff in there

[18:20:20]

justinh:

wagnerrp: discounting viddypow for now

[18:20:21]

iamlindoro_:

justinh, Slim picking on GPUs, I'm seeing

[18:20:24]

mythrookie:

(src: technisat.de )

[18:20:41]

wagnerrp:

i play back my h264 dvdrips on a single core box

[18:20:46]

gnome42 (gnome42!n=gnome42@76-10-139-80.dsl.teksavvy.com) has quit ()

[18:20:47]

justinh:

they sell so much stuff it's hard to find _anything_ on ebuyer's site

[18:20:53]

justinh:

wagnerrp: 'rips'. buhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[18:20:57]

wagnerrp:

it hardly breaks a sweat

[18:20:58]

iamlindoro_:

Heh, you buy what technisat suggests, and when it can't play much of anything, take it up with them

[18:21:10]

wagnerrp:

justinh: personal rips, all legal stuff

[18:21:10]

mythrookie:

i belive you guys

[18:21:22]

justinh:

24.pDTV.lol.HDTV-rip.mkv

[18:21:29]

mythrookie:

when mom says dont eat stuff from the floor you dont ... right?

[18:21:32]

** iamlindoro_ has all weekend without interruptions to try to cobble together more of his theme **

[18:21:46]

justinh:

iamlindoro_: lucky you. I can see my desk now.. just

[18:21:48]

iamlindoro_:

although apparently it doesn't have the "buzz" of gbee's ;)

[18:22:01]

iamlindoro_:

justinh, I'm *woefully* in need of doing that too

[18:22:01]

wagnerrp:

the power you need for h264 is almost completely dependent on the bitrate

[18:22:26]

justinh:

and encoding method

[18:22:38]

mythrookie:

so i will aim my box towards SD

[18:22:39]

justinh:

to be on the safe side, we advise people to get as powerful a system as they can

[18:22:45]

wagnerrp:

my 1–1.5mbps dvdrips require little processor capability

[18:22:48]

justinh:

best practise

[18:23:02]

wagnerrp:

my 2.2GHz AMD single core can manage ~7mbps

[18:23:21]

justinh:

wagnerrp: 1mbps h.264 HDTV would look worse than youtube

[18:23:23]

wagnerrp:

DVB broadcasts can get up ~25mbps?

[18:23:29]

justinh:

wagnerrp: yes

[18:23:36]

** iamlindoro_ sends gbee a case of beer if he will give him directory-names-as randomized images (and two if they have sexy crossfades) **

[18:23:43]

justinh:

though they generally max out about 18Mbits/sec

[18:23:46]

iamlindoro_:

And I'm serious about that

[18:24:05]

mythrookie:

i wonder if boroadband will take over blueray

[18:24:20]

wagnerrp:

as justinh said, encoding method matters too

[18:24:27]

justinh:

I'll send anyone a case of beer if they fix the menu button list balancing & centering :)

[18:24:38]

wagnerrp:

CABAC vs. CAVLC is a big one

[18:24:41]

iamlindoro_:

mythrookie, bluray will do up to 54 Mbit, so broadband would need a big upgrade

[18:24:47]

justinh:

boratband? yamash, that is nice!

[18:24:53]

mythrookie:

cologne has 50 Mbit

[18:24:54]

wagnerrp:

but most people use CABAC (the more intensive one)

[18:24:57]

mythrookie:

today

[18:24:58]

iamlindoro_:

I like you you like me?

[18:25:21]

iamlindoro_:

mythrookie, Do you honestly think every person with alleged 50 Mbit can a) get it all the time and b) sustain it?

[18:25:22]

iamlindoro_:

not so

[18:25:27]

iamlindoro_:

not even close

[18:25:33]

wagnerrp:

apple (and their trailers) tends to be the only content using CAVLC, of which my same frontend can manage about 10mbps

[18:25:36]

justinh:

tell you what, for anybody who fixed the button balancing/spacing/centring I'll NOT post a pic of me wearing a mankini to the mailing list :-O

[18:26:11]

mythrookie:

guess you are right it might be hard but ! cloud computing is catching up

[18:26:13]

wagnerrp:

justinh: thats one of the outfits you can find on LBP

[18:26:50]

mythrookie:

i have constant 16 Mbit and my broadband is obsolete

[18:27:07]

mythrookie:

(constant on reliable services)

[18:27:33]

wagnerrp:

have you tried that constant for more than a couple minutes?

[18:27:54]

** iamlindoro_ wonders when he stopped seeing previews from the master backend on the slave backend **

[18:28:10]

perilousapricot_ (perilousapricot_!n=bucky@c-69-245-59-153.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:28:27]

mythrookie:

iam using vod from http://www.limelightnetworks.com/

[18:28:44]

mythrookie:

gives about 12 to 15

[18:28:54]

iamlindoro_:

bullpucky

[18:28:54]

mythrookie:

12 is worst

[18:29:24]

mythrookie:

let me check :D

[18:29:42]

iamlindoro_:

Need to "check" over multiple *days*, not some broadband speed test

[18:30:34]

iamlindoro_:

And I don't believe for a second that any video you're getting via the internet is 12 Mbit

[18:30:36]

mythrookie:

well you might be right

[18:30:41]

iamlindoro_:

more like a tenth of that

[18:30:56]

mythrookie:

mh ok

[18:30:57]

iamlindoro_:

"Our service handles video at 720p and 1080p resolution and at bit rates of 1.5Mbps or higher"

[18:31:08]

CrazyFoam (CrazyFoam!n=gturner@genuxb.unzane.com) has quit ("Leaving")

[18:31:19]

mythrookie:

ah you mean resolution

[18:31:28]

iamlindoro_:

No, I mean bitrate

[18:31:34]

iamlindoro_:

"and at bit rates of 1.5Mbps or higher"

[18:31:40]

iamlindoro_:

which is to say NOT 12–15 mbit

[18:31:48]

mythrookie:

yes i was talkin constant bandwidht

[18:31:57]

mythrookie:

regardless of bitrate

[18:32:09]

mythrookie:

i dont know what bit rate a strem has

[18:32:14]

iamlindoro_:

you said you were using VOD from that site-- you will *only* use as much bandwidth as there is bitrate

[18:32:24]

iamlindoro_:

so if their stream is 1.5 Mbit, you're not using 12 mbit speed to get it

[18:33:03]

iamlindoro_:

Unless you're *downloading* it in which case you might, but that still doesn't really *mean* anything

[18:33:19]

iamlindoro_:

anyway, back to real work

[18:33:23]

iamlindoro_:

well, real-ish

[18:34:48]

mythrookie:

ok

[18:35:38]

mythrookie:

:) thanks for the info ... and you where right i checked it their bitrates are 1400 to 1908

[18:35:53]

wagnerrp:

that bitrate for HD?

[18:36:26]

mythrookie:

dunno to be honest

[18:36:34]

wagnerrp:

i could possibly see cell shaded cartoons looking decent at that resolution

[18:36:38]

wagnerrp:

but definately not video

[18:36:39]

mythrookie:

heeheh

[18:37:03]

perilousapricot_ (perilousapricot_!n=bucky@c-69-245-59-153.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) has quit ("Leaving")

[18:37:11]

GlemSom (GlemSom!n=glemsom@93.163.75.202) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:37:11]

davez0r:

anyone know some tricks to save memory in myth? I'm have a combined front/backend with 1GB of RAM and it seems to start paging to disk after a few hours of uptime. suggestions?

[18:37:24]

davez0r:

yes, "i'm have"

[18:37:45]

wagnerrp:

davez0r: fix whatever you have that is leaking memory

[18:37:58]

davez0r:

that's a fantastic idea

[18:38:06]

wagnerrp:

i have a fe/be with 1GB of RAM, and after weeks of uptime, i dont use anything like that

[18:38:23]

wagnerrp:

what processes are taking all that memory? what theme are you using?

[18:38:25]

davez0r:

do you use --noupnp?

[18:38:30]

wagnerrp:

i use upnp

[18:38:41]

davez0r:

ok, i tried disabling that... hmm

[18:38:52]

iamlindoro_:

upnp memory usage should be really trivial

[18:39:23]

davez0r:

when i had upnp enabled it got stuck in a loop and the backend would use tons of CPU

[18:39:52]

davez0r:

not immediately... but it after a few hours

[18:39:56]

iamlindoro_:

You should upgrade to latest fixes, I sem to recall something like that but I think it's long since fixed

[18:39:57]

iamlindoro_:

er seem

[18:40:11]

davez0r:

what version are you all running?

[18:40:14]

davez0r:

latest svn?

[18:40:39]

iamlindoro_:

Most people are/should be running altest .21-fixes

[18:40:58]

iamlindoro_:

latest, that is

[18:41:57]

lotia (lotia!n=lotia@c-68-40-199-249.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has quit ()

[18:42:03]

wagnerrp:

between a frontend, X, backend, vnc, and a few other programs, im using 210MB of memory

[18:42:11]

wagnerrp:

you dont happen to be running the mepo theme do you?

[18:43:09]

davez0r:

hmm, i'll have to check what this one is called- is that a playback overlay or UI theme?

[18:43:23]

wagnerrp:

how much memory are you using in each of mythfrontend, mythbackend, and X

[18:46:26]

Dagmar:

Hmm... Complex question

[18:46:59]

david__:

server_hang: I've got enough of a handle on gdb to generate some stack traces of the server process which is hanging

[18:47:13]

david__:

server_hang: I've popped it up to pastebin: http://pastebin.com/m583ea5d3

[18:47:51]

david__:

server_hang: Short story: Was OK, machine re-booted, many updates came into effect, now hanging on one or more threads when watching / recording TV

[18:48:48]

david__:

server_hang: Three threads look suspicious. One on IsEncryptionTestPID and two on ThreadedFileWriter

[18:49:42]

david__:

server_hang: Been happening for a week. Tried: re-installing, fresh database, old database, new USB DVB stick, moving recordings folder around

[18:49:48]

david__:

server_hang: No joy

[18:50:08]

davez0r:

wagnerrp: with mythfrontend down, i only have 165MB of my 1GB free

[18:50:25]

david__:

server_hang: The two ThreadedFileWriter threads are referencing the same file (but I can't see how to get gdb to say so, I'm also running kdbg)

[18:50:38]

wagnerrp:

davez0r: are you actually using 835MB of memory? or is most of that being consumed by disk cache?

[18:50:59]

david__:

server_hang: Not sure if anyone else has seen anything like this – there's nothing on Google remotely like it

[18:51:11]

wagnerrp:

that same fe/be that is only using 210MB of memory, only has 40MB free

[18:51:27]

davez0r:

top says ~860MB used

[18:51:40]

davez0r:

and 160MB of swap in use

[18:51:46]

wagnerrp:

yes it does, how much is 'cached'

[18:51:53]

gnome42 (gnome42!n=gnome42@76-10-139-80.dsl.teksavvy.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:52:06]

davez0r:

56 MB buffers

[18:52:10]

davez0r:

that's the line right?

[18:52:15]

wagnerrp:

'cached'

[18:52:24]

davez0r:

364MB cached

[18:53:08]

wagnerrp:

so you have some 400MB free

[18:53:14]

wagnerrp:

thats still rather low

[18:53:28]

wagnerrp:

list off how much memory the peak applications are using

[18:53:43]

davez0r:

ok, i need to learn how to read top

[18:53:49]

Dagmar:

If you're into swap you should probably consider upgrading the RAM on it

[18:53:56]

davez0r:

because 'cached' is on the Swap: line

[18:54:14]

wagnerrp:

type 'F n' in top

[18:54:17]

davez0r:

k

[18:54:41]

wagnerrp:

list the top couple apps, plus their 'RES' field

[18:54:48]

david__:

server_hang: All non-TV activity on the server seems fine. mythfrontend (on same box) works fine

[18:55:45]

david__:

server_hang: I have my card setup to use "Unencrypted channels only" so not sure why it's investigating the encrypted-ness of the stream

[18:55:46]

davez0r:

interesting, so this is listing each process by memory usage

[18:56:00]

wagnerrp:

correct

[18:56:04]

davez0r:

the top two are mythcommflag,

[18:56:10]

davez0r:

one is using 15%

[18:56:15]

Dagmar:

It can't know whether or not a channel is encrypted until it looks

[18:56:16]

wagnerrp:

and the 'RES' field is how much memory is actually being used by the process

[18:56:55]

davez0r:

so yeah, the top mythcommflag is using 154MB

[18:57:04]

wagnerrp:

you have a multiprocessor/multicore box?

[18:57:09]

davez0r:

but it doesn't appear to be running

[18:57:25]

davez0r:

no i don't, so I set commflag to happen in the wee hours of the morning

[18:57:43]

wagnerrp:

then you shouldnt have two instances of mythcommflag running

[18:57:46]

davez0r:

i'm kinda confused why it would be running

[18:57:49]

davez0r:

right

[19:00:11]

davez0r:

how does mythcommflag terminate if it is still running a job at my 6am cutoff?

[19:00:20]

wagnerrp:

i dont know that it does

[19:00:33]

wagnerrp:

why do you cutoff jobs?

[19:00:34]

davez0r:

and does mythcommflag ever lock up?

[19:00:44]

wagnerrp:

what processor do you have?

[19:00:48]

leprechau (leprechau!n=leprecha@c-71-228-207-78.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) has quit (Connection timed out)

[19:00:57]

davez0r:

its an Athlon64 2Ghz

[19:01:01]

davez0r:

older machine

[19:01:12]

davez0r:

but it handles 1080i just great

[19:01:32]

wagnerrp:

on that chip, you really should have little trouble commflagging in real time, while playing back a 1080i ATSC broadcast

[19:02:21]

davez0r:

not sure about that- when it started up a commflag job 1080i would get choppy

[19:02:26]

wagnerrp:

ive got the same chip, 3200+ 939

[19:02:36]

davez0r:

mine is a 754

[19:02:38]

davez0r:

but yeah

[19:02:47]

davez0r:

it feels like it should have enough power

[19:02:54]

Dagmar:

ATSC is MPEG now?

[19:03:10]

wagnerrp:

technically, it supports h264 now, but yes, all mpeg2

[19:03:19]

Dagmar:

Ah okay

[19:03:31]

Dagmar:

I thought all the HD ATSC streams were in h264

[19:03:58]

wagnerrp:

no, h264 was only added to the spec last summer

[19:04:00]

Dagmar:

If they were, it would definitely get choppy. 2Ghz core won't really cut it

[19:04:24]

Dagmar:

It surely shoudl be able to do MPEG tho

[19:04:35]

wagnerrp:

and after 10 years with no hardware support, its not like broadcasters are going to suddenly start using it

[19:05:00]

davez0r:

lol, so my 'ATSC tuner' is no longer ATSC compliant then?

[19:05:05]

high-rez:

hmm. i just tried my pchdtv hd-2000 with myth (which has been sitting in a box for years) and it pretty much just work. :)

[19:05:29]

david__:

server_hang: Maybe this is a similar problem: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/362025

[19:05:30]

Chutt_ (Chutt_!n=ijr@dsl093-011-148.cle1.dsl.speakeasy.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:05:41]

david__:

server_hang: I'll try the mailing list

[19:05:49]

hadees (hadees!n=hadees@cpe-67-9-179-169.austin.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:06:21]

davez0r:

i'm pretty sure my tuner just writes mpeg2 streams, not h264

[19:06:38]

wagnerrp:

davez0r: mpeg2 is a container and a codec

[19:07:06]

wagnerrp:

DVB still used the mpeg2 container when they broadcast using the h264 codec

[19:07:36]

davez0r:

oh, so if a broadcaster starts using h264, the tuner will still see it as a readable stream?

[19:07:52]

Dagmar:

*should*

[19:09:04]

jk1joel (jk1joel!n=jsmith@ns.jk1.net) has quit ("Leaving.")

[19:09:29]

wagnerrp:

agh... just hit the 'standby' button on my keyboard

[19:09:42]

wagnerrp:

anyway, the tuner will grab the stream regardless

[19:09:52]

wagnerrp:

whether or not it will decode is a different matter

[19:09:59]

davez0r:

very interesting

[19:10:09]

wagnerrp:

computers should have no trouble with it (assuming sufficient power)

[19:10:10]

davez0r:

so it could potentially pass it along to a software decoder

[19:10:21]

wagnerrp:

but TVs and STBs will be SOL

[19:10:45]

davez0r:

and the govt will have to send out more coupons

[19:11:23]

high-rez:

Will myth start crawling ATSC transponders like it does DVB transponders for EIT data ?

[19:12:27]

wagnerrp:

if you tell it to, sure

[19:12:37]

Dagmar:

Well, in theory the TV manufacturers had the sense to include h264 decoding

[19:13:08]

high-rez:

wagnerrp: There's generally not much data in the ATSC EIT right?

[19:13:09]

wagnerrp:

consider yourself lucky if the broadcasters give you more than a day of EIT data

[19:13:13]

Dagmar:

...although for some it may be a matter of explaining to angry customers about how they need to go buy a thumb drive and do some complex stuff to put an upgrade image on it and how to then feed it to the TV

[19:13:16]

high-rez:

hmm

[19:14:06]

wagnerrp:

Dagmar: well thats why you bought the warranty at circuit city, so they would do that stuff for you

[19:14:18]

Dagmar:

When left to their own devices, broadcasters seem to use EIT for telling people what's coming on for the rest of the evening and no farther.

[19:14:22]

davez0r:

i setup a box using EIT

[19:14:29]

wagnerrp:

of course that presumes CC is still going to be around

[19:14:31]

davez0r:

it works pretty well in my area

[19:14:40]

Dagmar:

Their "program guide channel" will have more information because hey, they can put ads on it

[19:15:12]

Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Pretty sure their warranty doesn't cover upgrading your firmware for you

[19:15:42]

wagnerrp:

your tv no longer works, they have to fix it

[19:16:53]

wagnerrp:

anyway, it will probably be years before this is an issue anyway

[19:17:10]

wagnerrp:

considering 'bama wants to block the whole switchover anyway

[19:17:37]

davez0r:

block it?

[19:17:43]

davez0r:

i heard postpone

[19:17:57]

wagnerrp:

same thing

[19:17:58]

davez0r:

i'm surprised man, just cut it

[19:18:03]

leprechau (leprechau!n=leprecha@c-71-228-207-78.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:18:06]

high-rez:

Yeah, it's time for it to go.

[19:18:12]

davez0r:

are people going to die without TV?

[19:18:14]

high-rez:

Been using up way too much spectrum.

[19:18:21]

wagnerrp:

davez0r: yes

[19:18:34]

davez0r:

if they haven't heard by now, they don't even watch TV

[19:18:50]

iamlindoro_:

gbee, Is there a clever way to get the active-state image in two locations, resized as appropriate here? http://www.fecitfacta.com/theme-gallery.png

[19:18:59]

high-rez:

The argument has been that people don't understand that they can use a converter bo, rather they think they ahve to switch to cable or sat or get an hdtv.

[19:19:08]

high-rez:

(as it was explained on NPR yesterday anyways)

[19:19:49]

wagnerrp:

they shouldnt even know about the possiblity of cable or satellite, unless they already have one or the other and have been subject to their ads

[19:19:55]

mythrookie:

does the apple tv do proper hd ? (kinda frustrating that my system sucks as)

[19:20:09]

davez0r:

appletv does 1080i

[19:20:13]

DuppyK (DuppyK!n=DuppyK@host-84-9-52-63.dslgb.com) has quit ("Talkative IRC")

[19:20:19]

davez0r:

not 1080p afaik

[19:20:20]

wagnerrp:

i thought it only did 720p

[19:20:34]

mythrookie:

1080 i is 720

[19:20:35]

iamlindoro_:

mythrookie, if proper = broadcast bitrate h.264, then no

[19:20:40]

davez0r:

i set one up for a friend, pretty sure there was a 1080i mode

[19:20:42]

high-rez:

the run cable/sat ads on local braodcast stations here saying basically that they offer low cost alternatves to "purchasing new equiptment [for the digital transition]"

[19:20:44]

wagnerrp:

mythrookie: what?

[19:20:44]

iamlindoro_:

erm... 1080i is *not* 720

[19:20:47]

mythrookie:

can my sys do 720 ?

[19:20:55]

wagnerrp:

what is your system?

[19:21:18]

mythrookie:

AMD 2000+ FX5200

[19:21:41]

Dagmar:

high-rez: If it's a cable company, their "alternative" is for you to sign up for their digital service

[19:22:04]

mythrookie:

iamlindoro : sorry

[19:22:07]

wagnerrp:

Dagmar: my local cableco has been advertising that they will still provide an analog signal after the switchover

[19:22:14]

davez0r:

hey wagnerp, how many bogomips does /proc/cpu info give you on your 3200+?

[19:22:14]

Dagmar:

This is true.

[19:22:16]

mythrookie:

it is 540

[19:22:20]

high-rez:

Dagmar: Exactly. I think the argument is that they feel consumers (older consumers) don't really understand the options – and are being folled into purchashing cable service plans.

[19:22:32]

gregL_ (gregL_!n=greg@cpe-67-246-41-80.nycap.res.rr.com) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[19:22:33]

Dagmar:

Analog cable is actually *not* affected by the changeover deadline at all.

[19:22:35]

Chutt (Chutt!n=ijr@dsl093-011-148.cle1.dsl.speakeasy.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[19:22:51]

Dagmar:

high-rez: Oh they're willing to outright LIE about it

[19:22:57]

wagnerrp:

4021

[19:23:05]

davez0r:

mine is a 3000+, I get bogomips: 3959.80 wow that's really close in power

[19:23:09]

mythrookie:

my cpu is 1,6 GHz 1 Gig ram my gfx is AGP 8x 128 mb nvidia FX5200

[19:23:10]

Dagmar:

My gf had a Comcast tech out to her house recently who is LUCKY I wasn't there

[19:23:12]

high-rez:

That said, I say cut it. Between DVB-S, and my ATSC tuner card I'm all ready for it :)

[19:23:23]

Dagmar:

He was trying to tell her she *had* to upgrade to digital cable or her TV wouldn't work

[19:23:30]

davez0r:

and yours can commflag in realtime

[19:23:39]

davez0r:

or atleast...

[19:23:42]

wagnerrp:

mythrookie: HD mpeg2 on that system will be marginal

[19:23:59]

davez0r:

in the background and not interrupt your regularly scheduled 1080i show

[19:24:13]

wagnerrp:

i can run one commflag, and play back one channel, at the same time

[19:24:15]

mythrookie:

even 720

[19:24:19]

high-rez:

Dagmar: Wow, that's pretty low. THough sometimes with the lower end techs like that, you can't attribute to mallice what is more easily attributed to ignorance.

[19:24:21]

wagnerrp:

im about at my limit doing it, but i can

[19:24:25]

mythrookie:

?

[19:24:41]

wagnerrp:

mythrookie: 720p and 1080i are typically around the same bitrate

[19:24:46]

Dagmar:

high-rez: Yeah, but this isn't the first time I've heard of this happening

[19:24:58]

wagnerrp:

and if youre not using a deinterlacer, they take about the same amount of power

[19:25:24]

Dagmar:

Comcast around here isn't really doing anything about the sales reps that are misinforming people

[19:25:35]

mythrookie:

ok i differenciate between 720p and 1080p

[19:25:53]

wagnerrp:

you are correct, there is a difference between 720p and 1080p

[19:25:54]

mythrookie:

thanks wagnerrp

[19:25:55]

davez0r:

wagnerp- do you use XvMC?

[19:26:04]

wagnerrp:

however 720p and 1080i are roughly the same pixelrate

[19:26:18]

high-rez:

Dagmar: THey tried to sell my sister ond her husband on needing a digital box to get their locals in HD... They seem to attempt to hide the fact that they're required to send down locals unencrypted.

[19:26:20]

wagnerrp:

and similarly, they are usually encoded in roughly the same bitrate

[19:26:28]

mythrookie:

(just curious i heard 1080 is less )

[19:26:28]

wagnerrp:

davez0r: my card does not support xvmc

[19:26:39]

mythrookie:

(1080i )

[19:26:46]

davez0r:

gah... mine does, but it is a bit buggy

[19:26:46]

Dagmar:

high-rez: Yeah, but they're not required to send it out free

[19:27:10]

Dagmar:

They wouldn't need to buy/rent a box, but they *would* need the service

[19:27:17]

davez0r:

maybe glitchy is a better word

[19:27:28]

high-rez:

Dagmar: Sure, but any level of service (e.g. the most basic analog service) should be able to get it.

[19:27:36]

Dagmar:

Ah this is true

[19:28:02]

high-rez:

And they were pretty much trying to force my sister to rent a digital box just to get locals in HD.

[19:28:23]

mythrookie (mythrookie!n=similian@pD9E606B9.dip.t-dialin.net) has quit ("Leaving.")

[19:28:30]

davez0r:

man, I hate cable/sat companies

[19:28:42]

davez0r:

sooo glad to have dumped them

[19:29:25]

high-rez:

davez0r: Yeah, ditto here. I was paying comcast $100/mo for nothing to watch. Now I have ATSC + DVB-S and still have nothing to watch but at least it isn't costing me $100/mo :)

[19:29:57]

davez0r:

i was actually surprised how many great things myth records for me off free TV

[19:30:15]

wagnerrp:

nearly everything i record is off ATSC

[19:30:42]

wagnerrp:

plus a handful of things on disc, hist, usa, scifi

[19:31:06]

davez0r:

i thought i would miss the discovery or history channels, but PBS has really great stuff- and they aren't throwing commercials down my throat

[19:31:42]

wagnerrp:

to be honest, if i could just grab a few channels piecemeal at a couple dollars each, i would be happy

[19:32:15]

davez0r:

i started to really hate history channel- they take a 20 minute topic, and stretch it to 60 minutes by adding commercials and repeating themselves after each break

[19:32:48]

high-rez:

ehh, i remember when they were about history, and when the learning channel was about learning.

[19:32:56]

davez0r:

i totally agree wagner.

[19:32:59]

Goga777 (Goga777!n=Goga777@shpd-78-36-180-156.static.vologda.ru) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[19:34:02]

wagnerrp:

i mean right now, i get ~60 channels at ~$40, i would be paying considerable markup

[19:34:24]

davez0r:

sure, but cutting the crap is worthwhile

[19:34:27]

high-rez:

One of the sat providers has a pretty good deal – 20 HD channels for $20/mo – that's pretty appealing to me cause they're the channels I'd be interested in (and all in HD). Locals are extra but I get them via ATSC anyways.

[19:35:24]

davez0r:

atleast until it snows on your dish

[19:35:36]

Slim-Kimbo (Slim-Kimbo!n=Kimbo@host86-150-233-143.range86-150.btcentralplus.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:35:46]

high-rez:

add a little hot water, problem solved.

[19:36:27]

wagnerrp:

yeah, thats my big issue with satellite

[19:36:40]

wagnerrp:

they used to have a dish for the break room at one of my old jobs

[19:36:48]

leprechau (leprechau!n=leprecha@c-71-228-207-78.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) has quit (Connection timed out)

[19:36:52]

lepsie (lepsie!n=leprecha@h69-131-207-52.lvrgtn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:36:59]

wagnerrp:

any time it was raining, or even heavy cloud cover for that matter, signal would cut out

[19:37:28]

lepsie is now known as leprechau

[19:37:56]

high-rez:

I don't have any issues with rain-fade at all.

[19:38:30]

Dagmar:

You'd be in the minority

[19:38:32]

wagnerrp:

this was also 7 years ago

[19:38:34]

Dagmar:

...or it don't rain much there.

[19:38:50]

high-rez:

(...I'm in seattle)

[19:39:20]

Dagmar:

Then you must be using a large dish.

[19:39:51]

high-rez:

Can't get much on DVB-S without a large one :)

[19:39:56]

Dagmar:

Ah

[19:40:03]

iamlindoro_:

s/without one//

[19:40:10]

Dagmar:

Snow piling up on them will screw your signal over then

[19:40:12]

wagnerrp:

'Abukar Haji, uncle of one of the dead men, blamed the naval surveillance for the accident that killed his pirate nephew Saturday'

[19:40:22]

wagnerrp:

does anyone else see something wrong with that statement?

[19:40:41]

Dagmar:

Many things

[19:40:54]

high-rez:

iamlin: Feeds.

[19:41:04]

high-rez:

And even some decent international.

[19:41:16]

Dagmar:

Mostly that I've never heard of a "surveillance fatality" that didn't involve a cat and a bottle of unstable isotope.

[19:41:50]

wagnerrp:

well the claim is that the pirates sped off from the tanker at high speed to avoid surveillance, and ended up capsizing

[19:42:24]

Dagmar:

Weak.

[19:42:29]

Dagmar:

Sank their own boat

[19:42:33]

wagnerrp:

nevermind the fact that they died, because they were pirates

[19:42:42]

wagnerrp:

and that naval surveillance was there to find, and kill them

[19:43:10]

Dagmar:

Or that they managed to wreck their boat on water without hitting solid objects or being shot at apparently.

[19:43:11]

Dagmar:

That's just win.

[19:43:16]

high-rez:

just to find them, they've been actually handing them to the somali gov.

[19:43:28]

lotia (lotia!n=lotia@c-68-40-199-249.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:43:31]

lotia (lotia!n=lotia@c-68-40-199-249.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[19:43:38]

iamlindoro_:

Just goes to show, don't bring a knife to a cruise missile fight

[19:43:48]

wagnerrp:

its like blaming the cops, because some criminal got run over by a bus trying to flee a bank robbery

[19:43:56]

Dagmar:

Sounds like the aquatic equivalent of failing a bank heist because you crashed your getaway car into the poles around the ATM machine

[19:46:25]

kdubya (kdubya!n=kyle@cpe-66-25-190-56.austin.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:53:08]

Toast (Toast!n=matt@87.127.37.199) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[19:54:01]

wagnerrp:

i wonder how demoralizing that is

[19:54:20]

wagnerrp:

after two months siege, you finally get your money, and end up flipping the boat on the getaway

[19:54:34]

Oberon (Oberon!n=chris@c-76-18-178-167.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:45]

Slim-Kimbo (Slim-Kimbo!n=Kimbo@host86-150-233-143.range86-150.btcentralplus.com) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:54:45]

perilousapricot (perilousapricot!n=bucky@c-69-245-59-153.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:54:45]

smithna (smithna!n=smithna@c-71-207-20-172.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:54:45]

d00gster0 (d00gster0!n=doughant@bas1-cooksville01-1279552227.dsl.bell.ca) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:54:45]

J-e-f-f-A|work (J-e-f-f-A|work!n=mythtv@pool-173-48-112-114.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:54:45]

meshe (meshe!n=working@216-19-178-71.stc.novuscom.net) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:54:45]

J-e-f-f-A (J-e-f-f-A!n=mythtv@pool-173-48-112-114.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:54:45]

PointyPumper (PointyPumper!i=Pintlezz@190.244.90.37) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:54:45]

[CSI]Octane ([CSI]Octane!n=Octane@c-98-218-237-80.hsd1.dc.comcast.net) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:54:46]

gbee (gbee!n=gbee@cpc2-derb9-0-0-cust507.leic.cable.ntl.com) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:54:46]

d0netsFN (d0netsFN!i=den0ts@illegal.filestash.org) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:54:46]

dashcloud (dashcloud!n=szakulec@pool-141-158-224-133.phil.east.verizon.net) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:54:46]

jgoss (jgoss!n=josh@unaffiliated/jgoss) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:54:46]

Agrajag- (Agrajag-!n=filip@c211-30-185-177.artrmn2.nsw.optusnet.com.au) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:54:46]

RyeBrye (RyeBrye!n=ryebrye@254.245.sfcn.org) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:54:46]

quicksilver (quicksilver!n=jules@roobarb.crazydogs.org) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:54:46]

clever (clever!n=clever@fctnnbsc16w-156034221163.pppoe-dynamic.nb.aliant.net) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:54:46]

mgisbers (mgisbers!n=mgisbers@80.190.247.196) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:54:46]

aegis (aegis!n=aegis@71.172.30.237) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:54:46]

simcop2387 (simcop2387!n=simcop23@p3m/member/simcop2387) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:54:46]

lyricnz (lyricnz!n=simonrob@d58-108-16-155.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:54:46]

Lord_Deathscythe (Lord_Deathscythe!n=chris@c-76-18-178-167.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:54:49]

Oberon (Oberon!n=chris@c-76-18-178-167.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer))

[19:55:39]

dashcloud (dashcloud!n=szakulec@141.158.224.133) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:55:39]

Slim-Kimbo (Slim-Kimbo!n=Kimbo@host86-150-233-143.range86-150.btcentralplus.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:55:39]

perilousapricot (perilousapricot!n=bucky@c-69-245-59-153.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:55:39]

smithna (smithna!n=smithna@c-71-207-20-172.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:55:39]

d00gster0 (d00gster0!n=doughant@bas1-cooksville01-1279552227.dsl.bell.ca) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:55:39]

RyeBrye (RyeBrye!n=ryebrye@254.245.sfcn.org) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:55:40]

lyricnz (lyricnz!n=simonrob@d58-108-16-155.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:55:40]

jgoss (jgoss!n=josh@unaffiliated/jgoss) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:55:40]

[CSI]Octane ([CSI]Octane!n=Octane@c-98-218-237-80.hsd1.dc.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:55:40]

PointyPumper (PointyPumper!i=Pintlezz@190.244.90.37) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:55:40]

simcop2387 (simcop2387!n=simcop23@p3m/member/simcop2387) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:55:40]

J-e-f-f-A (J-e-f-f-A!n=mythtv@pool-173-48-112-114.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:55:40]

aegis (aegis!n=aegis@71.172.30.237) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:55:40]

clever (clever!n=clever@fctnnbsc16w-156034221163.pppoe-dynamic.nb.aliant.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:55:40]

meshe (meshe!n=working@216-19-178-71.stc.novuscom.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:55:40]

d0netsFN (d0netsFN!i=den0ts@illegal.filestash.org) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:55:40]

J-e-f-f-A|work (J-e-f-f-A|work!n=mythtv@pool-173-48-112-114.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:55:40]

mgisbers (mgisbers!n=mgisbers@80.190.247.196) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:55:40]

Agrajag- (Agrajag-!n=filip@c211-30-185-177.artrmn2.nsw.optusnet.com.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:55:40]

quicksilver (quicksilver!n=jules@roobarb.crazydogs.org) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:55:43]

gbee (gbee!n=gbee@cpc2-derb9-0-0-cust507.leic.cable.ntl.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:03:39]

gregL (gregL!i=greg@cpe-69-204-178-100.nycap.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:08:22]

davez0r:

wagnerrp: are you still around?

[20:10:01]

|Torg| (|Torg|!n=mdm@adsl-70-136-64-115.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:15:50]

KraMer (KraMer!n=mark@adsl-70-240-211-149.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:17:43]

andreax (andreax!n=andreaz@p57B9518E.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:28:50]

wagnerrp:

yeah, what do you need?

[20:29:23]

davez0r:

i was wondering if you changed any settings for your commflag

[20:29:32]

davez0r:

is there a way to set the nice level?

[20:29:36]

wagnerrp:

i set it to run at a lower priority, but thats it

[20:29:45]

squidly (squidly!n=squidly@HoodLUG/member/squidly) has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host))

[20:29:46]

wagnerrp:

all done within the gui

[20:29:50]

wagnerrp:

i dont remember where though

[20:29:56]

davez0r:

yeah i think i set that as well

[20:30:05]

davez0r:

i found this script here

[20:30:17]

davez0r:

and i'm trying to figure out why people would use it...

[20:30:32]

davez0r:

http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=19126

[20:30:54]

davez0r:

basically it monitors for commflag and transcode jobs

[20:31:00]

davez0r:

and "re-nices" them

[20:31:25]

davez0r:

but i ask, what's the point?

[20:31:39]

wagnerrp:

basically, just sets them to the lowest priority, so that they ONLY run when nothing else wants CPU

[20:31:47]

wylie (wylie!n=wylie@ip70-190-125-87.ph.ph.cox.net) has quit ()

[20:32:05]

davez0r:

oh, and by default the nice level is higher?

[20:32:07]

davez0r:

brb

[20:32:23]

wagnerrp:

i dont know what the lowest you can tell it to use in the GUI is

[20:35:49]

andreax1 (andreax1!n=andreaz@p57B95982.dip.t-dialin.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[20:41:03]

davez0r:

ok, so i also wanted to ask how much CPU mythbackend uses when it is recording

[20:41:15]

davez0r:

since yours seems to be a similar vintage to mine

[20:41:18]

wagnerrp:

do you have a framegrabber?

[20:41:29]

davez0r:

...?

[20:41:36]

davez0r:

my tuner is an HDhomerun

[20:41:48]

wagnerrp:

then you should have next to no cpu load

[20:41:58]

Dagmar:

Amazing how little people know about their hardware, yet still expect to be able to work it

[20:42:32]

wagnerrp:

mpeg encoders (ivtv cards), digital tuners, and the hdpvr all provide a pre-compressed stream

[20:42:42]

wagnerrp:

all myth does is copy the stream to the hard drive

[20:43:05]

davez0r:

ahh, ok, but a USB tuner might have to work a little harder?

[20:43:48]

wagnerrp:

framegrabbers have to capture each frame in a shared IO space, combine them, encode them, do the same for audio, and multiplex them together

[20:44:01]

wagnerrp:

if you have a framegrabber, there will be significant load during capture

[20:44:08]

wagnerrp:

otherwise, there should be negligable load during capture

[20:45:54]

kkuno (kkuno!n=wefw@151.64.204.219) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:46:38]

|Torg|:

my backend, while recording 3 HD atsc streaks used between 51–15% of one core of a X2 3800, most of that is from disk io and mysql not mythbackend. It is litteraly the slowest computer I own

[20:46:45]

|Torg|:

err 5–15

[20:50:40]

sphery:

jpabq: I think MrGandalph may be using -fixes with a some stuff backported

[20:51:12]

nuonguy (nuonguy!n=john@c-24-6-174-132.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:51:14]

davez0r:

yeah, so usually I have very little load from mythbackend- even when capturing, but the machine is in some state now where recording takes 25–50% CPU

[20:51:39]

davez0r:

a reboot fixes it

[20:51:56]

mgering (mgering!n=mgering@nc-76-4-0-64.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:51:56]

jpabq:

sphery: Ah right. I had forgotten that he was the one that did that.

[20:52:35]

jpabq:

sphery: Makes me wonder if he has the patch which tells it that an IDR is not necessary.

[20:52:58]

iamlindoro_:

slow news day on phoronix, they're benchmarking atoms with greater and lesser amounts of RAM

[20:53:33]

sphery:

#6107 is the best ever

[20:54:19]

mgering:

How can I recover my lirc? I tried to add xmit support for my PVR-150 and lirc stopped working. I tried to remove both IR remote and xmit with the MCC and progress is hung at "Configuring Remote COntrol..."

[20:54:19]

iamlindoro_:

HA

[20:54:23]

iamlindoro_:

nice

[20:54:31]

jpabq:

sphery: isn't that a dupe? Could have sworn I had seen that reported before.

[20:54:45]

iamlindoro_:

At least it was minor

[20:55:22]

wagnerrp:

*gasp*.... mythtv has a bug!

[20:55:50]

jpabq:

iamlindoro_: I know that your priority lately has been theming, but did you ever play around with getting your onboard NIC working reliably?

[20:56:09]

iamlindoro_:

jpabq, I haven't, it's definitely been back-burnered

[20:56:46]

jpabq:

I have another motherboard with dual 8111C nics. I have not installed it yet. Just wondering if I am going to end up swearing at it.

[20:56:58]

Dagmar:

mgering: That is distro-specific code. Talk to the people in #MythBuntu or whatever you're using

[20:57:23]

iamlindoro_:

jpabq, possibly/probably? I just don't know. I heard things had improved but also hear there were still occasional problems with auto-neg

[20:57:40]

mgering:

damar: Ok. Thanks.

[20:57:55]

jpabq:

I was hoping you would be my guinea pig for that stuff ;-)

[20:58:33]

iamlindoro_:

jpabq, Heh, truthfully I don't see myself getting to it for at least a few weeks... time has been a precious commodity lately

[20:59:25]

jpabq:

Hey, someone has to produce the first WOW theme for mythui. That is becoming more and more important, as gbee works his magic.

[20:59:35]

notyjoey (notyjoey!n=joe@gateway2.fasti.net) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[20:59:49]

Dagmar:

Considering that I've done one for the PS3 and PSP I'll handle it.

[21:00:08]

Slim-Kimbo (Slim-Kimbo!n=Kimbo@host86-150-233-143.range86-150.btcentralplus.com) has quit ()

[21:00:10]

Dagmar:

Alliance gets priority.

[21:00:13]

wagnerrp:

everyone wants a hawt dark mage cradling their menu!

[21:00:13]

mgering (mgering!n=mgering@nc-76-4-0-64.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) has left #mythtv-users ()

[21:00:29]

iamlindoro_:

fairly certain he meant the exclamation ;)

[21:00:49]

Dagmar:

There's no "dark mage" class in WoW

[21:00:59]

davez0r:

you'd know

[21:01:02]

davez0r:

:)

[21:01:04]

wagnerrp:

really? dark elf?

[21:01:05]

Dagmar:

Yes, I would.

[21:01:20]

Dagmar:

Inkies are from EverQuest.

[21:01:27]

Dagmar:

There are no dark elves in WoW.

[21:01:27]

davez0r:

any of you play TF2?

[21:01:31]

wagnerrp:

or... its blood elf isnt it

[21:02:14]

Dagmar:

Night elves (strippers), Blood elves (trailer park trash), and probably high-elves as user-playable in the next expansion

[21:02:41]

wagnerrp:

well then... everyone wants a hawt night elf cradling their menu!

[21:02:48]

Dagmar:

Not really.

[21:02:59]

Dagmar:

Some of us download actual porn when we want porn.

[21:03:31]

Dagmar:

It's only the kiddies who try to hide that they want to look at boobies

[21:03:54]

iamlindoro_:

jpabq, I think I'm actually starting to run up against the end of what's been MythUI'd just yet, but there are still a number of stupid little popups that I need to theme, and need to come up with something for the menus themselves... then I'll be in good shape and get individuals plugins and such done as they get converted

[21:04:21]

Dagmar:

A WoW theme would be pretty straightforward actually.

[21:04:47]

Dagmar:

The worst part will be (as per usual) figuring out which of the 2,000 or so spell icons would be appropriate for various menu items

[21:08:01]

Slim-Kimbo (Slim-Kimbo!n=Kimbo@host86-150-233-143.range86-150.btcentralplus.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:10:13]

fuxxy (fuxxy!n=fuxxy@c-76-31-189-187.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:10:39]

notyjoey (notyjoey!n=joe@gateway2.fasti.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:14:41]

arttu:

hi all if i try test dvb-s HD channel how i configure --dvb-dir= and what more, sysem is debian leny and kernel 2.6.28 dvb-s card is hvr-4000

[21:15:50]

squidly (squidly!n=squidly@c-71-201-104-67.hsd1.il.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:16:01]

fuxxy:

I've got an analog-only tuner and two digital-only tuners, both attached to Comcast cable. The digital and analog tuners each have a seperate set of channels, although some 'overlap' – eg, I can recieve Discovery channel on both tuners. At the moment, I have two entries in my Program Guide for discovery. One for the analog, one for the digital. Is there a better way of configuring my guide so that I only have one of each channel l

[21:16:01]

fuxxy:

isted?

[21:16:26]

wagnerrp:

nope

[21:16:43]

wagnerrp:

sadly, theres no such thing as a 'channel group' yet

[21:16:52]

fuxxy:

mmm

[21:19:09]

wagnerrp:

arttu: usually, dvb support is compiled into the packaged distros

[21:19:13]

wagnerrp:

no need to recompile mythtv

[21:20:52]

fuxxy (fuxxy!n=fuxxy@c-76-31-189-187.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) has quit ("Leaving")

[21:24:19]

arttu:

this is a new installation of the test machine, usually on a version fixes

[21:24:32]

gnome42 (gnome42!n=gnome42@76-10-139-80.dsl.teksavvy.com) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[21:24:48]

wagnerrp:

usually, you just leave that option blank, and configure takes care of everything

[21:26:00]

GlemSom (GlemSom!n=glemsom@93.163.75.202) has quit ("Leaving")

[21:28:03]

gnome42 (gnome42!n=gnome42@76-10-139-80.dsl.teksavvy.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:28:40]

davez0r (davez0r!n=davez0r@z.dsl.xmission.com) has left #mythtv-users ()

[21:29:09]

w33d5 (w33d5!n=w33d5@c-69-249-166-77.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:29:28]

w33d5:

i just installed mythbuntu on a mac mini and i was wondering — are all IR recievers the same or since its an apple do i need to use the apple IR receiver listed on install? i have a logitech harmony 520 remote so i'm thinking i can essentially set it up to mimic any type of remote /// does the IR receive just pick up any IR transmitted or are they remote specific?

[21:30:08]

dmz (dmz!n=dmz@64.203.203.232.dyn-cm-pool-64.hargray.net) has quit ("Leaving")

[21:31:18]

wagnerrp:

youre asking if, since you installed linux on a mac, if the mac drivers have any bearing on anything you subsequently do?

[21:31:31]

w33d5:

wagnerrp yes

[21:32:07]

wagnerrp:

does that make any sense?

[21:32:49]

w33d5:

actually what i am asking is – does the IR receiver take in all IRs transmitted and look for specific patterns?

[21:33:02]

wagnerrp:

that depends on the receiver

[21:33:14]

wagnerrp:

homebrew receivers will pick up anything

[21:33:27]

wagnerrp:

receivers that come with a remote often only pick up the signal from the remote

[21:33:37]

justinh:

* due to the micro inside them ;)

[21:33:42]

wagnerrp:

whether you can reprogram lirc to allow other codes, i cant say

[21:34:12]

justinh:

some USB IR receivers can learn from _some_ other remotes. YMMV

[21:34:34]

wagnerrp:

but since you have a harmony, all that is irrelevant, because the harmony will emulate the codes sent by whatever (IR) remote you want

[21:34:34]

justinh:

but if you don't like the remote which comes with a kit, you can generally program a 'universal' remote to emulate it

[21:35:42]

wagnerrp:

the harmony database came pre-programmed with the codes for my hauppauge receiver

[21:37:07]

judazz (judazz!n=gronslet@cm-84.208.182.112.getinternet.no) has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))

[21:37:08]

justinh:

I wish there was a better way to program those remotes than that stupid web thing

[21:37:29]

justinh:

wonder if they've been hacked yet

[21:37:32]

porcodildo (porcodildo!n=wefw@151.64.204.219) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:37:55]

w33d5:

ok let me poke around

[21:37:56]

w33d5:

thats

[21:37:59]

w33d5:

thanks

[21:38:06]

wagnerrp:

chances are the database had the codes you need

[21:38:15]

wagnerrp:

if not, you can always capture the codes you need

[21:38:26]

justinh:

the only thing that puts me off getting one is all the silly macros they have

[21:38:38]

justinh:

can they be turned off?

[21:39:03]

wagnerrp:

the 'statefulness' of a harmony is integral to its design

[21:39:05]

w33d5:

the reason why i ask is that the apple remote has like 5 buttons

[21:39:14]

justinh:

wagnerrp: that sucks then

[21:39:16]

wagnerrp:

youre supposed to use macros

[21:39:17]

w33d5:

but a xbox 360 remote has many more

[21:39:35]

wagnerrp:

you *can* use it like a standard universal remote

[21:39:36]

justinh:

I prefer to press TV to control my TV, 'VCR' to switch to myth..

[21:39:38]

w33d5:

so if i emulate an xbox 360 remote will the apple IR pick up the codes?

[21:39:46]

justinh:

can you? cool. might get one in that case

[21:39:58]

justinh:

the whole 'watch dvd' stuff is pretty much useless with mythtv

[21:40:01]

wagnerrp:

accessing the codes for each device independently

[21:40:16]

wagnerrp:

but then why buy a $100 remote, when you can get a $10 remote that does the same thing

[21:40:19]

justinh:

that's how it is with my oneforall & I prefer it that way

[21:40:35]

justinh:

wagnerrp: because the harmony has MOARBUTNZ!

[21:41:01]

justinh:

and they've been on special lately for way less than $100

[21:41:02]

wagnerrp:

justinh: i have a 'watch mythtv' macro, that turns on my TV, turns on my receiver, and sets the proper channel and inputs on both

[21:41:22]

justinh:

wagnerrp: does your TV have discrete codes for its inputs?

[21:41:32]

wagnerrp:

next week when my mceusb2 receiver comes in, it will bring the mythbox out of standby as well

[21:41:34]

wagnerrp:

no it does not

[21:41:40]

wagnerrp:

thats where the 'statefulness' comes in

[21:41:48]

justinh:

wagnerrp: and the harmony copes with that? that's neat

[21:41:50]

w33d5_ (w33d5_!i=w33d5@c-69-249-166-77.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:42:07]

wagnerrp:

the harmony remembers when input is set, and knows how many times to cycle though the inputs to get to the one it wants

[21:42:15]

justinh:

nifty

[21:42:36]

justinh:

they really should mention stuff like that for control freaks like me

[21:42:45]

wagnerrp:

the problem i havent figured out yet is what to do my my other tv (samsung)

[21:42:45]

justinh:

sell it to me!

[21:43:04]

wagnerrp:

the samsung will not cycle though an input it does not recognize a signal on

[21:43:10]

justinh:

ah

[21:43:28]

justinh:

my TV lets you do AV, then red green or blue to get an AV input

[21:43:37]

justinh:

thing is AV2 can be S-vid or composite

[21:43:38]

wagnerrp:

there are some direct-input commands that the harmony knows but arent on the packaged remote

[21:43:41]

wagnerrp:

but theyre a bit buggy

[21:43:43]

judazz (judazz!n=gronslet@cm-84.208.182.112.getinternet.no) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:43:45]

justinh:

so green toggles it

[21:44:05]

justinh:

are the macros pretty quick then?

[21:44:18]

wagnerrp:

theyre as quick as you want

[21:44:34]

kdubya (kdubya!n=kyle@cpe-66-25-190-56.austin.res.rr.com) has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))

[21:44:46]

wagnerrp:

you can fine tune the amount of time spent transmitting, the amount of time spend between 'presses', wait time to allow the device to boot up, etc...

[21:44:58]

justinh:

so you can totally hack about with delays & stuff to your heart's content? that's not the impression I got from any of the blurb

[21:45:14]

judazz (judazz!n=gronslet@cm-84.208.182.112.getinternet.no) has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer))

[21:45:24]

justinh:

I'll try to download TFM & RTFM in that case :)

[21:45:34]

wagnerrp:

well, download the program

[21:45:46]

justinh:

no manual pdf?

[21:45:51]

wagnerrp:

you need an account, but you dont actually need a device, to run it

[21:46:01]

wagnerrp:

pdf manual? i dont know, never looked for one

[21:46:27]

wagnerrp:

all configuration is done in the application, you cant change anything on the remote itself

[21:46:29]

justinh:

a 525 would suit my needs

[21:46:36]

justinh:

yeah I know that much already :)

[21:46:45]

justinh:

seen the 525 on for Â£35 recently

[21:47:22]

justinh:

I'll certainly consider it :) Ta

[21:47:50]

jpabq (jpabq!n=jpabq@c-69-254-145-214.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[21:47:56]

jpabq (jpabq!n=jpabq@c-69-254-145-214.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:48:02]

squidly (squidly!n=squidly@HoodLUG/member/squidly) has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host))

[21:48:52]

wagnerrp:

the other thing is the LEDs on them are absurdly powerful

[21:50:29]

wagnerrp:

ive got white walls, i can point the remote any direction in the room and still get picked up

[21:51:23]

jduggan:

the mce remote is like that

[21:52:23]

wagnerrp:

well the one that came with my samsung is comparatively pathetic, it has to be pointed almost directly at the TV to pick up

[21:52:25]

kkuno (kkuno!n=wefw@151.64.204.219) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[21:54:04]

porcodildo (porcodildo!n=wefw@151.64.204.219) has quit (Connection timed out)

[21:55:25]

kkuno (kkuno!n=wefw@151.64.204.219) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:57:29]

david__:

server_hang: I've been digging into my server hang some more

[21:57:34]

david__:

Well alot more to be honest

[21:57:53]

arttu:

wtf i diÅ•ive latest v4l-dvb driver and my dev/dvb/adapter0 lost in reboot

[21:58:05]

david__:

server_hang: Here's a stack I see in every fail:

[21:58:10]

david__:

#3 MPEGStreamData::IsEncryptionTestPID (this=0xccb648, pid=6017) at mpeg/mpegstreamdata.cpp:1613

[21:58:12]

david__:

#4 0x0000003306fa7727 in MPEGStreamData::ProcessTSPacket (this=0xbabba0, tspacket=@0x10e33d0) at mpeg/mpegstreamdata.cpp:961

[21:58:13]

david__:

#5 0x0000003306f9baa4 in MPEGStreamData::ProcessData (this=0xccb648,

[21:58:40]

w33d5 (w33d5!n=w33d5@c-69-249-166-77.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[21:58:48]

david__:

server_hang: Which looks like it might be fixed by this: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/19357

[21:58:58]

david__:

server_hang: Avoids infinite loop possibility introduced in [19341].

[21:59:16]

david__:

server_hang: Anybody care to venture an opinion? I'm wary of bothering the devs.

[22:01:48]

Penfold (Penfold!n=mikewh@alysande.altrion.org) has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep")

[22:02:14]

mirak (mirak!n=mirak@81-66-70-98.rev.numericable.fr) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[22:02:34]

squidly (squidly!n=squidly@c-71-201-104-67.hsd1.il.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:03:18]

RobertLaptop (RobertLaptop!n=rmiddle@mb30736d0.tmodns.net) has quit ("Leaving")

[22:04:51]

purserj (purserj!n=purserj@hosting.k-sit.com) has quit ("leaving")

[22:05:01]

purserj (purserj!n=purserj@hosting.k-sit.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:07:36]

squidly_ (squidly_!n=squidly@c-71-201-104-67.hsd1.il.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:11:46]

|Torg| (|Torg|!n=mdm@adsl-70-136-64-115.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) has quit ("Konversation terminated!")

[22:19:00]

squidly (squidly!n=squidly@HoodLUG/member/squidly) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[22:20:43]

david__:

server_hang: Yay, oh yay. 6 hours without a baby climbing over me and I think I've cracked it

[22:21:42]

david__:

server_hang: The gdb logs pointed me to MPEGStreamData and then I traced it through in Myth SVN and on to RPMFusion: http://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/up . . . libmyth.html

[22:22:25]

** iamlindoro_ wonders who server_hang is **

[22:22:41]

wagnerrp:

probably the gremlin harassing david

[22:22:41]

david__:

server_hang: Where Jarod indicates that 0.21–15.fc10 only includes up to r19344 so it has the broken 19341

[22:22:53]

david__:

server_hang: But not the 19357 fix!

[22:23:01]

david__:

Indeed

[22:23:08]

david__:

Bloomin' gremlins

[22:23:10]

iamlindoro_:

You are not current PM'ing, if that's what you're after, Dave123

[22:23:12]

iamlindoro_:

er david__

[22:24:12]

david__:

No, I was not speaking to an individual – I was waving my arms in desperation after 10 days trying to sort this out

[22:24:33]

iamlindoro_:

so... who/what is server_hang?

[22:24:33]

david__:

but the spam was getting too much so I prefixed the comments, which then looked like I was talking to someone

[22:24:40]

david__:

I'm an IRC newbie as you can tell

[22:24:59]

david__:

mythbackend hangs with checkin 19341

[22:25:18]

david__:

But salvation comes from 19357 we are led to belive

[22:25:31]

david__:

I simply reverted back to an older libmyth and now I'm golden

[22:25:34]

iamlindoro_:

trunk intermittently broken, news at 11

[22:25:45]

david__:

Exactly

[22:26:02]

wagnerrp:

fedora has a trunk package?

[22:26:07]

david__:

I was stupid enough to let my shiny new box update itself as my distro had a cute UI

[22:26:12]

david__:

Yes, Fedora 10

[22:26:18]

david__:

Myth coming from RPMFusion

[22:26:34]

david__:

So it's not realy trunk

[22:26:47]

david__:

e.g.: http://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/up . . . libmyth.html

[22:26:53]

iamlindoro_:

well the changesets you are referring to apply only to trunk

[22:27:36]

david__:

So when Jarod (who I have lots of respect for) dropped r19344 onto RPMFusion he was in fact exposing trunk

[22:27:50]

david__:

That's life at the edge

[22:27:58]

iamlindoro_:

revisions don't specify branch

[22:28:06]

iamlindoro_:

you can have the same revision of different branches

[22:28:32]

iamlindoro_:

it's very likely still .21, but .21 as of that revision, meaning that has not been applied to it

[22:28:34]

david__:

Ah, OK, I'm used to working in Perforce where each branch has a fresh revision

[22:28:45]

david__:

of the same change

[22:28:52]

david__:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/19341

[22:29:24]

iamlindoro_:

that is a commit to trunk also

[22:29:27]

david__:

Yes, it's a snapshot of .21, but I don't understand enough about SVN just yet to know what that means

[22:29:31]

iamlindoro_:

note the prefix of the files affected

[22:29:39]

iamlindoro_:

trunk/etc/etc

[22:29:54]

david__:

preix: Indeed, that's something I noticed earlier today

[22:29:56]

iamlindoro_:

if it were branches/0.21-fixes/blah blah then the revision would have been applied to that

[22:30:27]

david__:

I won't bug you about SVN, I'll go figure it out

[22:30:44]

iamlindoro_:

if you want to see the revisions to .21-fixes, go here and read the revision log

[22:30:49]

iamlindoro_:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/release-0-21-fixes

[22:30:53]

david__:

This is the fisrt time I've been to #mythtv-users and it's nice to see it bubbling along nicely

[22:31:00]

iamlindoro_:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/log/branches/release-0-21-fixes

[22:31:03]

iamlindoro_:

That's the log

[22:31:09]

iamlindoro_:

You'll note the revisions are non-serial

[22:31:20]

gbee (gbee!n=gbee@cpc2-derb9-0-0-cust507.leic.cable.ntl.com) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[22:31:22]

iamlindoro_:

eg only those particular revision numbers changed that branch

[22:31:50]

david__:

Yep, that's actually similar to what we see in Perforce

[22:31:58]

whop (whop!n=luk@83-177-70-201.cust.tele2.se) has quit (Client Quit)

[22:32:01]

w33d5_ (w33d5_!i=w33d5@c-69-249-166-77.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) has quit ("...later!")

[22:32:05]

iamlindoro_:

I know (although perforce suuuuucks, speaking as a perforce admin)

[22:32:25]

iamlindoro_:

ayway, back to work

[22:32:35]

david__:

Well coming from SourceSafe I can tell you Perforce is a dream

[22:32:56]

david__:

Also, I work over a WAN so it's useful to have a server/client setup

[22:33:05]

david__:

Thanks for your time

[22:33:14]

iamlindoro_:

np

[22:33:46]

wagnerrp (wagnerrp!n=wagnerrp@NR-FT1-66-42-240-2.fuse.net) has quit ("Leaving")

[22:33:52]

Typosu is now known as TomasuDlrrp

[22:39:19]

david__ (david__!n=david@farend.plus.com) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[22:39:36]

test1_ (test1_!n=test1@81-66-55-24.rev.numericable.fr) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:40:13]

revilootneg (revilootneg!n=oliver@pool-111-65-198-89.dbd-ipconnect.net) has quit ("leaving")

[22:45:43]

PMantis (PMantis!n=sswitzer@cpe-66-67-53-247.rochester.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:47:02]

PMantis:

Hi guys. I can't seem to find the option to not preload descriptions in Media Linrary-->Wach Recordings. This loads a little too slow, can anyone jog my memory?

[22:47:09]

atmaweapon (atmaweapon!n=atma@ip70-190-162-121.ph.ph.cox.net) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[22:52:02]

sid3windr:

nice

[22:52:07]

sid3windr:

2147483647 as frequency on channel scan =)

[22:54:03]

atmaweapon (atmaweapon!n=atma@ip70-190-162-121.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:58:58]

judazz (judazz!n=gronslet@cm-84.208.182.112.getinternet.no) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:59:59]

Toast (Toast!n=matt@87.127.37.199) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:01:00]

kdubya (kdubya!n=kyle@cpe-66-25-190-56.austin.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:01:01]

** sid3windr yawns at closed ticket **

[23:02:56]

Toast:

I've got a problem with mythtv-setup coming up, but without the navigation icons. Everything works, but I can't see what I'm selecting. Any ideas?

[23:04:17]

sid3windr:

navigation icons?

[23:05:06]

Toast:

on the first screen, all the icons which give you options, like add tuner.

[23:07:46]

Toast:

I have a bad feeling I killed something when I installed the dependences I would need to build myth from source. I'm currently running the debian-multimedia builds. I installed the dependencies, but havn't messed with the core app yet.

[23:09:13]

sid3windr:

that's text here, not icons :o

[23:09:37]

sid3windr:

perhaps you're missing the msttcorefonts?

[23:12:05]

Toast:

They didn't get renamed or anything recently did they?

[23:17:11]

poodyp (poodyp!n=poodyp@cpe-76-87-115-2.socal.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:17:40]

sid3windr:

not that I know, no

[23:19:23]

Toast:

Something like that seems most likly.

[23:20:49]

kdubya:

if something happened on debian that effected whether or not myth worked

[23:21:01]

kdubya:

you would be able to find someone else complaining about it

[23:21:19]

sid3windr:

yes, me for instance ;)

[23:21:19]

kdubya:

if not, then it is something with your system

[23:21:30]

kdubya:

pff

[23:21:57]

Toast:

It would have been me installing the build dependences I think.

[23:22:38]

styelz (styelz!n=yoohoo@m0o0.mooo.com) has quit ("changing servers")

[23:24:40]

styelz (styelz!n=yoohoo@m0o0.mooo.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:32:16]

shep-home (shep-home!n=shep@pool-71-126-42-2.pitbpa.east.verizon.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:32:39]

shep-home:

hey all, I have a question about the MPEG streams from a pcHDTV

[23:32:51]

shep-home:

If I run file *.mpg in my recordings directory

[23:33:10]

shep-home:

only two of them say "MPEG transport stream data"

[23:33:18]

shep-home:

and the rest are just "data"

[23:33:30]

shep-home:

which I think affects streaming this data to my PS3

[23:33:48]

shep-home:

Is there something I can do to fixup these files / prevent this from happening?

[23:37:15]

inordkuo (inordkuo!n=inorkuo@adsl-226-137-93.int.bellsouth.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:41:52]

GreyFoxx:

Wow, pcalchemy closed up shop

[23:42:36]

alexvd_ (alexvd_!n=alexvd@pool-71-187-31-161.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:46:20]

GreyFoxx:

Anyone know of any place to buy a hdpvr other than direct from hauppage

[23:46:42]

iamlindoro_:

Dell, Newegg, et al

[23:47:11]

iamlindoro_:

For a While dell was the cheapest at $183 but last I checked they had increased their price again

[23:47:36]

sid3windr:

Dell sells hd-pvr?! :o

[23:47:45]

iamlindoro_:

Yeah, they're back to $229, Newegg is $209 right now, probably your best bet

[23:50:09]

xavierh (xavierh!n=xavier@cpc1-swin3-0-0-cust176.sol2.cable.ntl.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:51:59]

xavierh (xavierh!n=xavier@cpc1-swin3-0-0-cust176.sol2.cable.ntl.com) has quit (Client Quit)

[23:54:32]

kdubya:

fry's carries them

[23:54:44]

kdubya:

if you want to take it back with less hassle

[23:56:29]

sid3windr:

mm, frie

[23:56:29]

sid3windr:

s

[23:57:35]

iamlindoro_:

http://robertmcnamara.smugmug.com/gallery/706 . . . 518042_Q7gaZ

[23:57:40]

GreyFoxx:

no fry's anywhere near me :)but I might order one from newegg now thatthey ship to canada

[23:57:43]

iamlindoro_:

For those interested in where the new theme is at

[23:58:40]

kdubya:

that's myth?

[23:58:41]

kdubya:

damn

[23:58:44]

iamlindoro_:

yep

[23:58:50]

kdubya:

its almost not ugly

[23:59:06]

iamlindoro_:

umm... thanks I guess

[23:59:09]

kdubya:

haha

[23:59:14]

iamlindoro_:

Praise like that makes it all worthwhile

[23:59:26]

kdubya:

myth themes are hideous

[23:59:31]

kdubya:

that is the best one i have ever seen

[23:59:43]

iamlindoro_:

That's the ticket ;)

[23:59:46]

GreyFoxx:

kdubya: Then tell people to start themeing :)

MythLogBot@irc.freenode.net :: #mythtv-users

Current users (195):