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Friday, January 9th, 2009, 00:03 UTC

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wylie:

anyone on with a hauppauge hd-pvr at the moment?

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jonK_:

hi — any reason to not have a full single 1Tb partition? about to add a second drive, going to use it just to expand space for mythtv recordings

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wylie:

jonK_ nope, go for it

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sandeen:

jonK_, and no real reason to even bother with the partitioning part :)

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wylie:

anyone recall who else had hd-pvr's? i've got it working partially and had a couple of questions, but can't remember who said last week they were using a couple of them

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sid3windr:

sandeen: sure there is. :P

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sid3windr:

if you're not fully awake you can do pretty silly stuff if you don't find the partition table and forget you used the raw device ;)

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jonK_:

cool — couldn't think of a reason to break up the 1Tb drive into multiple partitions — given I just want more space for recordings

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mchou:

jonK_: if you intend to use lvm put one partition that spans the whole drive

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jonK_:

where you been? (and was not planning on using LVM)

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mchou:

jonK_: where have I been??

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mchou:

same place as ever

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mchou:

hehe

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mchou:

your wer the one who disappeared after Machu Pichu

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mchou:

were*

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mchou:

anyway, lvm gets a bit fussy if you dont have a partition on the drive

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jonK_:

I was caputred by the Shining Path --

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mchou:

jonK_: lil' prisoner exchange after the daring rescue via helicopter?

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jonK_:

more like something out of first blood

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jonK_:

or kung fu panda

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mchou:

oh wait. I'm confusing all those "organizations"

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mchou:

Tropic of Thunder

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mchou:

be cool if you were wearing blackface :)

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jonK_:

I was the dude who played the dudes playing the other dude

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jonK_:

ok — to the fat reduction facility (aka the gym)

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mchou:

ahh, Ingrid betancourt, that's her name

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sandeen:

son, on my previous problem w/ watching live HDTV on a frontend w/ a separate backend...

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sandeen:

s/son/soooo/

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sandeen:

watching a live HDTV show looks like it drops frames or whatnot. setting that show to record and watching another prerecorded HDTV show while the other records.. playback of the recorded show is fine

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sandeen:

grr

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sandeen:

nothing crazy is happening on the backend disk while watching the live tv: http://sandeen.net/foo/livetv2.png

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sandeen:

not sure what to look at now :/

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sandeen:

... and going back and watching the recording show, while it is recording, is also fine. grr

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mchou:

sandeen: what capture card is this?

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sandeen:

it's a kworld atsc 110 or 115

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sandeen:

which is a Philips Semiconductors SAA7133/SAA7135 Video Broadcast Decoder

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mchou:

I have no experience w/ that HW

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mchou:

but dont feel left out

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sandeen:

i'm not sure it's a card problem (but then I have no idea what it might be) :)

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mchou:

mythtv doesnt do well with unbuffered playback

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sandeen:

watching live stutters; watching live, hitting "record" then immediately going back to watch that as it records is fine

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mchou:

like I said earlier.....

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sandeen:

surely it does some internal buffering of this sort of thing?

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sandeen:

oh, and watching live tv, pausing, then resuling also stutters. you'd think that would provide the buffering

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mchou:

it does internal buffering that's that's not what I'm referring that in your case

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sandeen:

ok, I misunderstood; what did you mean?

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mchou:

unbuffered decoding of live catures

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mchou:

captures*

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sandeen:

but it's the frontend decoding and backend capturing, right ...

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sandeen:

for example I paused for 30s and resumed; it's still stutter-y

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sandeen:

maybe I'm still not understanding

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wylie:

any hd-pvr folks on atm?

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abqjp0:

wylie, yes.

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sandeen:

mchou, at this point I'm 3 minutes behind live and it still behaves this way.

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mchou:

it has nothinfg to do with how many minutes you're behind

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wylie:

abqjp0 hang on a sec if you will – going to flip to my laptop in my family room — brb

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sandeen:

mchou, can you explain how watching live tv 3 minutes behind live while recording vs. exiting live and going back to watch the recording 3 minutes after it has started differs?

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mchou:

sandeen: as long as capture is going on dont bother with playback

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sandeen:

mchou, but that works just fine for me

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sandeen:

I can start the recording, then go back and watch that recording as it records (as a recording, not as "live") and it works fine

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** directhex sticks a bunch of disks on ebay **

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sandeen:

or, record one hdtv channel and watch a previously recorded hdtv show; that works fine too

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wylie_:

back

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mchou:

sandeen: which part dont you grok? "mythtv doesnt do well with unbuffered playback" of livetv

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edoceo:

Does the main-board built-in HDMI support recording to my computer?

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wylie_:

so, on with my question in just a sec. i got the device working on /dev/video0 — however, i'm not able to record anything (latest trunk)

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edoceo:

It's an ASUS P5E-VM "HDMI Integrated"

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sandeen:

what I don't grok is how watching livetv 3 minutes behind "live" differs from watching that same show while it records, as a recording (not as liveltv)

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meshe:

it plays live SD tv fine on both of my myth boxes

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sandeen:

mchou, I'm not trying to be difficult; I guess I don't know what you mean by unbuffered playback, exactly

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J-e-f-f-A:

edoceo: Umm.. that's for Output, not input.

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mchou:

sandeen: if you're not a developer dont bother. google buffered vs. unbuffered i/o

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abqjp0:

edoceo, not a chance. You may want to read http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Recording_Digital_Cable

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sandeen:

mchou, I'm a filesystem developer

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mchou:

lol

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sandeen:

I'm not a freaking idiot ;)

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edoceo:

thx

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wylie_:

abqjp; so when i go to livetv to view, i get h264 @ blah]mmco: unref short failure

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mchou:

a filesystem developer and you dont understand the difference betw. buffered and unbuffered i/o?

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sandeen:

sure I do

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wylie_:

could not open codec blah, aborting

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abqjp0:

wylie, I get that often as well. Does not actually cause a problem.

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wylie_:

couldn' open decoder fr: /blah/blah/34343434534.mpg followed by LiveTVChain and a segfault

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abqjp0:

wylie, could not open what codec?

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mchou:

sandeen: so what is the difference betw. buffered and unbuffered i/o?

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wylie_:

sec

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sandeen:

how this relates to watching live tv from a paused buffer and watching that same file as a "recorded" show is a mythtv implementation question

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mchou:

sandeen: answer my question

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wylie_:

AFD Error: Could not open codec 0xa0bf78e0, id(AAC) type(Audio)

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abqjp0:

wylie, If I had to guess, you are recording AAC and did not compile suport for that into mythfrontend.

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mchou:

sandeen: buffered vs. unbuffered i/o

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sandeen:

in filesystem land, unbuffered IO is direct IO. it's not staged in teh buffer cache, it's sent directly to the device.

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wylie_:

thought i did — i did on plugins, but not explicitly on frontend. so that makes sense probably.

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sandeen:

I don't think that is what you are talking about.

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wylie_:

checking

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abqjp0:

wylie, you are better off recording AC3, anyway.

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wylie_:

ok, and that's a v4l setting?

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mchou:

sandeen: right.

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sandeen:

gosh, thanks

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abqjp0:

wylie, if you are applying the patches described in the wiki, then myth will automatically record AC3, if your STB is outputting it.

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edoceo:

So my only option for HD recording is that HD-PVR by Happauge or the HDFury?

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mchou:

sandeen: so think about the capture, is it using buffered i/o or direct i/o?

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mchou:

sandeen: w/o myth, even

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abqjp0:

edoceo, the HDFury is not "instead of" the HD-PVR, it complements it if you cannot use component instead of HDMI.

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sandeen:

i'm quite certain that the backend is writing with buffered IO. doing direct IO would be silly. And if it were, it wouldn't need to be doing an fsync() every 5s as it does.

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mchou:

sandeen: using dvb calls

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J-e-f-f-A:

edoceo: ATM, just HD-PVR, Over-the-air HD, or a Cable box with Enabled & non-encrypted Firewire port.

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mchou:

sandeen: USING DVB calls

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abqjp0:

edoceo, in the USA all STBs still have component outputs, so you don't need the HDFury.

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wylie_:

abqjp0 hmmm, http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/HD_PVR#Tracking_Progress states "The initial patches have been applied to Trunk, and no patching is currently necessary for basic usage of the HD-PVR in MythTV." not true?

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sandeen:

mchou, riddle me this. I pause live tv for 10 minutes, and resume on the frontend. Where is the frontend getting the data for that paused stream?

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abqjp0:

wylie, keep reading

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mchou:

sandeen: by the time myth gets the packets, it's already too late

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mchou:

oh lord

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mchou:

DVB calls

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mchou:

DVB i/o

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mchou:

not f/s i/o

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mchou:

wtf?

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sandeen:

you're telling me that the frontend is doing something with DVB on the backend to get video data from 10 minutes ago?

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wylie_:

abqjp0 so patch w/ patches referenced on http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5866 ?

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directhex:

sandeen, beware sources who are full of crap

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mchou:

the frontend does nothing of the sort. it doesnt make DVB calls

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sandeen:

hehe I am realizing that, thank you.

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abqjp0:

wylie, yes, apply the patches the wiki tells you to, and you will get AC3 support, as well as correct bit-rates in your recordings.

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wylie_:

abqjp0 thank you, will do. last question, does the ir blaster work? or need to use something else?

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wylie_:

i know there were some notes that it doesn't, but figure that might have changed

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abqjp0:

wylie, irblaster support is NOT in the current driver. Janne hopes to release a new driver with that feature in the near future, but no idea when.

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PMantis:

Hi guys

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abqjp0:

wylie, I use USB to change channels on my directv STB. Firewire also works.

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PMantis:

iamlindoro: I bought a PVR-150 on your recommendation – NICE card! Now, I just need to officially order cable service. lol

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wylie_:

abqjp0 sweet — out of curiosity, which STB are you using? [i used to do this on the sa5200 w/firewire, as well as extract non-encrypted video, but it was so unreliable and frustrating] i will be using 4240hdc, which i recall people having success with either usb or firewire

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meshe:

if i wasn't so busy on this work project I'd start digging into the myth project code to find out what you guys are talking about

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abqjp0:

wylie, even if the sa5200's firewire was unreliable for recording, it should still be reliable for changing channels. I have a couple of H20 STBs.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah! My Acer "Book PC" is alive again with a new power brick from fleabay...

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wylie_:

yup, it was reliable for changing channels, just not for recording — if recording was never in the mix, no problem

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wylie_:

ty much again — will hit the patches and tune up my channel changers later tonight, off to play with the kids before they explode

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abqjp0:

wylie, your welcome

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PMantis:

I just installed a tuner card, but don't want it to be used for recording yet. Is there a way to disable recording on it, but allow live tv? (I know, live is still recording)

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jams:

sphery- you about?

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J-e-f-f-A:

PMantis: Just don't schedule any recordings....

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PMantis:

J-e-f-f-A: Ok, the simplest approach. I have some schedules that say, any time, any channel

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J-e-f-f-A:

PMantis: Then if it finds a match in the guide, it's going to start recording... You'll get a message from myth saying "Myth wants to record blah at 8:00pm".. what do you want to do... with choices to quit to the menu, continue watching what you are, or switch to what will record...

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PMantis:

Oh that's cool!

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PMantis:

J-e-f-f-A: But my main reason, is that I setup analog cable on a PVR-150, but I don't yet subscribe to cable tv. Most of the channels bleed through their filter just enough to tell it *will* work when they turn it on, but it's completely unwatchable right now. So, I wanted to mark that tuner card as unusable until I subscribe.

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J-e-f-f-A:

PMantis: Well, if they're not available 'yet', you could un-check them in mythweb's channel editor I suppose...

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PMantis:

J-e-f-f-A: If there's no way to o that, then I'll just have to watch the recording schedules and make corrections where need be.

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PMantis:

oh

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** PMantis looks **

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J-e-f-f-A:

PMantis: then when they're available, make them visible again.

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J-e-f-f-A:

PMantis: if you've setup mythweb, just go to http://localhost/mythweb

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PMantis:

J-e-f-f-A: Yeah, I'm in there already. Thanks for the idea.

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PMantis:

J-e-f-f-A: I just changed 2 schedules to only look at the main channel, and that stopped all recordings on analog cable for the next 2 weeks... should be plenty of time.

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PMantis:

I just wanted to make sure it didn't record on analog cable *in stead* of OTA.

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J-e-f-f-A:

PMantis: Yeah that will work too. How many channels in analog are they going to give you on Cable?

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PMantis:

Dunno for sure what will be unscrambled, but a scan found 76 channels. Many that i tried to view had audio, and an ever so slight hint of video on them. heh.

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PMantis:

J-e-f-f-A: I had an HD-5500 on there, and found a number of digital stations that came in perfectly, but had no idea what the channels actually were – was taking one by one, identifying it, changing the channel number, moving on. But the HD-5500 sucks for analog IMO.

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PMantis:

And I found hardly anything on digital that I couldn't get OTA

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J-e-f-f-A:

PMantis: Yeah, I've got a HD-5500, but never used it for Analog. I've got a 500 and 250 for analog capture of s-video from 3 dish receivers, and currently a HDHomeRun for OTA ATSC.

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kafkaCA:

pmantis. i was sorely disappointed with the analog quality on the 5500

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PMantis:

kafkaCA: I hear ya!

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J-e-f-f-A:

I think analog was an afterthought for the 5500...

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PMantis:

J-e-f-f-A: Yeah, have a HDHR on my myth box now... considering another. it's awesome.

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kafkaCA:

unfortunately that's the only analog working for me at the moment and it's unwatchable

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PMantis:

kafkaCA: I just bought a PVR-150 off ebay for about $35. Works GREAT!

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kafkaCA:

i have a 500 that worked flawlessly until late december

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kafkaCA:

now i can't figure out what's going on

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PMantis:

kafkaCA: Hmmm

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kafkaCA:

works under 0.21 but my db is the latest trunk version... so going back isn't an option :-/

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kafkaCA:

i have 4ish years of recording history

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PMantis:

Can't you export the schema of both versions and diff -u, manually change back?

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kafkaCA:

i suppose...

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kafkaCA:

i'm more of a power-hack than anything... that'd be a lot of work for me to figure out how to do

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PMantis:

Likely lots of work, but you'll have your analog back.

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PMantis:

heh

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kafkaCA:

i've been on trunk for a very long time

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kafkaCA:

forget why i changed in the first place, but i had a reason LOL

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kafkaCA:

and now i like to be there to at least help test since i can't code

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PMantis:

You probably were impatient for a feature 3 years ago.

[02:07:03]

PMantis:

...just to pick a number. :)

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kafkaCA:

haha probably

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kafkaCA:

actually.. i know it was a feature i wanted, but don't remember which one now

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PMantis:

kafkaCA: I don't remember myth from 3 years ago, so I'm no help!

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kafkaCA:

hehe

[02:09:43]

kafkaCA:

i started futzing w/ it long long ago

[02:10:27]

PMantis:

I had plans for myth for a couple years... finally ordered stuff black friday.

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PMantis:

kafkaCA: The HD5500 was my first card...aggravating experience that was.

[02:11:54]

kafkaCA:

my first was a pvr250 or 350 don't remember which now

[02:12:05]

kafkaCA:

the 5500 just worked in my last install of ubuntu

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kafkaCA:

no fuss, no muss :)

[02:13:12]

PMantis:

I don't like v4l, now that I know it means... no onboard mpeg encoder, use your CPU instead.

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kafkaCA:

yeah... that's why i like the 500

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kafkaCA:

well.. i do when it works

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kafkaCA:

LOL

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PMantis:

heh

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PMantis:

kafkaCA: iamlindoro suggested that I buy the PVR-150

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PMantis:

kafkaCA: It was a good recommendation.

[02:15:19]

kafkaCA:

yes :)

[02:15:26]

kafkaCA:

the 500 is 2x150 on a single card

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PMantis:

oh, really.

[02:15:44]

kafkaCA:

yeah

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PMantis:

kafkaCA: Do you literally have to add two cards (/dev/video0 & video1) ?

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kafkaCA:

yup

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kafkaCA:

i have them symlinked through udev

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kafkaCA:

to video-pvr500–0 and video-pvr500–1

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kafkaCA:

because the analog on the 5500 kept switching places with them

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kafkaCA:

sooo... had to make it survive reboots

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Lexridge:

Probably old news by now, but have you guys seen this? Obama Recommends Delay in Digital TV Switch http://tvdecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/01/08 . . . v-switch/?hp

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mchou:

Lexridge: haha

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mchou:

I thought obama is the tech president

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Lexridge:

I guess not :/

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** PMantis heard that this afternoon... any ate set? **

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Lexridge:

as a tv station employee, I would love an extension!!!!!! It's gonna be tight otherwise...for us anyway.

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cesman:

How would the call for a delay not make him the tech president?

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jamesd:

Lexridge, its all because of faulty advertising and education of viewers that are causing the issue.. its like 3 question test and the people know if they are ready... "do you have satelite or cable tv box" yes your good, no, when you change the channel to your favorite network station does it have a .1 afterwards? yes, you are good.. no try entering it with a .1 ... if it fails go buy a tv converter box.

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Lexridge:

I always thought Clinton was the "tech president", afterall, Al Gore invented the Internet...right?

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Lexridge:

gawd, we had to do a complete outside IP block change today, with only two days warning. It's amazing how many unforeseen problems crop up. Twelve hours later, it seems to be working again. :)

[02:34:12]

Lexridge:

now it's time for beers and boobies. ;) okay, maybe the NCAA football national championship game will do :) Go Florida!

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mchou:

Lexridge: you work at a TV station??

[02:34:33]

Lexridge:

mchou. yea

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mchou:

Lexridge: how can you guys STILL not be prepared for DTV??

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Lexridge:

Because the money simply doesnt trickle down fast enough.

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mchou:

PBS did it eons ago

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fuxxy:

yay for random bacend crashes!

[02:35:33]

mchou:

Lexridge: well, I dont think PBS is made of money either

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Lexridge:

mchou: yea, with public money. Affiliates are not funded with tax dollars.

[02:36:27]

Lexridge:

or even network dollars for that matter.

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mchou:

Lexridge: also, did you get a chance to try FE_HAS_LOCK with hvr1600 the other day?

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fuxxy:

oh wow.

[02:37:17]

Lexridge:

No, I forgot about it actually. :(

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mchou:

Lexridge: cause that card never reports FE_HAS_LOCK, kid you not

[02:37:56]

Lexridge:

Well, I does lock under Mythfrontend when tuned to a QAM audio channel.

[02:38:12]

mchou:

no, it locks but it never reports lock

[02:38:41]

Lexridge:

Not very often, but it indeed does.....occassionally. ;)

[02:38:48]

mchou:

kind of like saying your hail marys and getting an answer from GOD

[02:38:55]

Lexridge:

plus, the audio is very low level.

[02:39:10]

mchou:

actually, audio on mine seems ok

[02:39:17]

Lexridge:

humm, that's strange!

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fuxxy:

Can anyone help troubleshoot a backend crash? http://rafb.net/p/Q0M7zj65.html

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mchou:

I dont see how audio levels can even be low

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mchou:

Lexridge: I mean it's digital, right?

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mchou:

Lexridge: has volume already in the stram, so to speak

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Lexridge:

yea, but it's about 10db lower than an analog cable channel.

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mchou:

stream*

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mchou:

oh, you mean sig strength??

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Lexridge:

no, I mean audio level.

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mchou:

weird.

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Lexridge:

I have to crank my mixer all the way to max to make it the same as the tv channels.

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Lexridge:

it's very clean, just very low

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mchou:

audio levels on digital is "lower" due to greater dynamic range

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Lexridge:

yes, but not that much

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mchou:

Lexridge: so your tv station, is it commercial or public?

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Lexridge:

I record multi-track 24bit audio here in my garage, and I know digital audio very well. It's low. :)

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Lexridge:

CBS affiliate

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Lexridge:

wdtv.com

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mchou:

I dont even understand how the audio is low unless it got encoded as low to begin with

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Lexridge:

it's a terrible webpage however. yech!

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mchou:

as bad as I think hvr1600 is, I dont think it will mess with audio levels on the digital side :)

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Lexridge:

Oh, I wasn't suggesting that. The cable company is at fault I'm sure!!!

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mchou:

maybe it boosts the audio levels on the analog side :)

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Lexridge:

Their box could very well do this.

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Lexridge:

I'm surprised however there is not a video channel associated with it to display song title, etc.

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mchou:

Lexridge: bah. that'd be a waste of bandwith

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mchou:

bandwidth*

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Lexridge:

well, my dish network does it on audio, and my mom's cheap ass cable system even does it.

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mchou:

you mom live in same neighborhood as you?

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Lexridge:

no, and a different cable system.

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mchou:

chances are your mom lives some place less populated than you

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mchou:

not as much demand for every channel under the sun

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fuxxy:

is there a way for mythbackend to restart automatically when it crashes?

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Lexridge:

oh no, I live in BFE!!! Down a hollar!!! lol. Seriously. The road to my house is 1/4 mile of gravel

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mchou:

fuxxy: yes, but you're doing something wrong if BE crashes

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fuxxy:

mchou, What did I do to cause this? *** glibc detected *** /usr/bin/mythbackend: malloc(): memory corruption (fast): 0x08357c07 ***

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fuxxy:

if I've done something wrong.

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mchou:

fuxxy: follow the instructions on mythtv.org for a backtrace

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fuxxy:

mchou, oh, I'll check that out, thanks.

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mchou:

fuxxy: that could be anything from myth bug to bad HW

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mchou:

only backtrace will provide sufficientt info

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fuxxy:

hmm, gdb backtrace means I need to recompile with debugging symbols

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fuxxy:

and it also means I'll have to make it crash again?

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hadees:

i think one of my recordings is choking mythtv's commerical flagging thus crashing mythtv, how do i stop it from flagging this show or get rid of the show?

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hadees:

well mythbackend

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clever:

if you edit the schedule rule, you can go into post processing, and disable commflag for that show

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hadees:

clever, where do you do that? the database? which table

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clever:

in mythfrontend

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clever:

go into upcomming recordings, and edit one of the rules

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clever:

you can do it under mythweb too

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mersault:

offtopic: My parents want a media device that can play music and video files. They're happy to copy the video files to and from the device, as long as it's easy. I don't want to build and support a mythtv box, due to the fact that they live in a different province. HD output is desired, even if all the files aren't. Anyone have any opinions?

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kafkaCA:

apple tv?

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GreyFoxx:

get a popcorn hour

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GreyFoxx:

http://www.popcornhour.com/onlinestore/

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mersault:

I don't like the mirror-only mode of the apple tv (I know it can be worked around, but I want an out of the box solution)

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mersault:

GreyFoxx: What do you know about these popcorn hours? What are they based on?

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GreyFoxx:

stand alone hardware players. play pretty much all media out there now over the network

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wylie:

abqjp0 abqjp, still around?

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GreyFoxx:

and can take a drive and be used as a usb drive

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mersault:

yeah, I'm reading through the site and they seem fantastic.

[03:27:40]

GreyFoxx:

they are. I've got a couple friends with them

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GreyFoxx:

they love them

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mersault:

I'm impressed. 250 USD?

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GreyFoxx:

I\'ve seen them for less

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mersault:

are they linux based?

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GreyFoxx:

yup

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GreyFoxx:

and they give out source and so on

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GreyFoxx:

some users have their own addons for various things

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hadees:

clever, i can't seem to do that because mythbackend isn't running

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mersault:

wow. anyone building a mythtv plugin or something to allow access to mythtv recordings and such?

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clever:

hadees: then go into mythweb

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GreyFoxx:

mersault: None needed

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GreyFoxx:

it supports upnp and samba or nfs playback

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GreyFoxx:

so you have all you ned to access myth's content

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mersault:

aye, but what about the pvr functionality?

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GreyFoxx:

Well, not liveTV is that's what you mean

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GreyFoxx:

but recordings are playable

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mersault:

yeah, sorry, should have been more clear

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GreyFoxx:

Check their forumns , someone might have one on the go

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mersault:

thanks for saving me some googling. these look about perfect.

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fuxxy:

okay, I'm running the while loop, now I just need to make mythbackend crash again.

[03:37:35]

hadees:

i think comercial flagging is just screwed up in general on my machine, i keep gettings errors for what i think are commercial flagging, http://pastie.org/356328

[03:37:39]

wylie:

can you channel change via usb on the scientific atlanta's? or just firewire?

[03:37:40]

iamlindoro_:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/EPGMockup.png

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hadees:

i'm running trunk with 2 HDPVRs and SPDIF audio

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iamlindoro_:

Thinking about something nice and simple like that for the Live TV EPG... "What's on, right now" by default

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dustybin:

'^[Gg]rey[Ff]o{2}x'

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wylie:

hadees: i'm just working on setting up my HDPVR now — deciding whether to go firewire or usb for changer

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academy:

åd/window 3

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wylie:

[just did my patches]

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hadees:

wylie, i used firewire to change the chanels on my cable boxes

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wylie:

which STB's do you have? SAs?

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hadees:

SA 3250

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wylie:

those are HD?

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wylie:

nah, can't be

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hadees:

they are

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academy:

Can someone clarify how QString::fromUtf8(proc.readLineStdout(), -1) + "\n"; would be ported to QT4.x? proc.readListStdout() now just returns a QString, so can it be used directly?

[03:40:36]

hadees:

3250HD

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academy:

(Attemptiny to port mythvodka to trunk (just because I miss it).

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wylie:

really. huh. ah. gotcha. i used to have the non-HD 3250 (I think) — i used to pull video off w/ firewire but it was so inconcistent

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hadees:

anyone know what this AFD Error: Unknown decoding error that keeps repeating means?

[03:41:36]

hadees:

wylie, well mine are really locked down, i only got OTA channels so it wasn't worth it but they work great just for channel changing

[03:42:29]

hadees:

academy, this may be the one time i'm ever going to recommend someone go into the developer channel

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academy:

hadees: ok

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hadees:

academy, also damn i just found out about mythvodka and now you tell me it doesn't work with trunk

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academy:

iamlindoro_: I think it'd be nicer if you put the program info on the right

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hadees:

that sucks

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kafkaCA:

link to mythvodka?

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hadees:

kafkaCA, is in the wiki

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iamlindoro_:

academy, naw

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kafkaCA:

ok :)

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kafkaCA:

cool

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hadees:

so maybe we should start with what exactly is AFD,

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iamlindoro_:

AV Format Decoder

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iamlindoro_:

avformatdecoder.cpp

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hadees:

iamlindoro, ever seen it spit out errors like that before?

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iamlindoro_:

Are you using VDPAU?

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hadees:

you mean GPU stuff?

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iamlindoro_:

I mean VDPAU

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iamlindoro_:

are you using it?

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hadees:

not that i'm aware of

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iamlindoro_:

What video decoder are you using?

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iamlindoro_:

Check

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hadees:

iamlindoro, i'm not using any hardware decoding and i seem to be able to watch recordings fine, i think what is screwing up my backend is commerical flagging because it start going off with those AFD errors before i even watch tv

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hadees:

here is my log again http://pastie.org/356328

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wylie:

hadees: same for me (really locked down, cox, phoenix) now i'm trying to get the hdpvr working — i use hdhomerun for the qam256 and pvr250's and 150s for the analogs

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wylie:

i'm also getting a lot of the afd errors, but haven't looked into it yet

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** sandeen tries a tcpdump of back<->front w/ live & recorded to see if there's anything interesting **

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hadees:

i hope mythvodka becomes offical

[03:57:40]

hadees:

i also hope for revision3 stuff it can auto download higher quality

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iamlindoro_:

There's not a chance of mythvodka becoming official

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iamlindoro_:

Best you should hope for is for someone to take the concept and do a real plugin with it

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hadees:

iamlindoro_, really? why? because it scrapes?

[03:59:15]

iamlindoro_:

That's the least of its problems, but still a critical one

[03:59:28]

hadees:

i think the AFD errors are comming from ffmpeg

[03:59:29]

iamlindoro_:

the reliance on using mencoder is the big one

[03:59:44]

iamlindoro_:

hadees, no

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wylie_:

hadees: did you apply all the two patchsets posted on the wiki?

[03:59:56]

wylie_:

for hdpvr

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iamlindoro_:

afd = AVFormatDecoder. Not part of ffmpeg (and ffmpeg has nothing to do with your myth logs anyway)

[04:00:40]

hadees:

wylie, i applied what ever that wiki says, i think a lot of the stuff is in trunk now

[04:00:45]

iamlindoro_:

Anyway, the AFD errors are not a problem, perfectly normal to see those with h.264/HD-PVR output

[04:00:52]

iamlindoro_:

They are not causing your backend to crash.

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hadees:

wylie, don't forget to update your HDPVRs with the beta drivers link there too

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wylie_:

hmmmm.. so updated firmware?

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iamlindoro_:

No. Don't install the beta firmware.

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hadees:

iamlindoro, i couldn't get mine to work with out it

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iamlindoro_:

Taht would be rolling backwards for a new HD-PVR

[04:02:40]

wylie_:

I just used http://hg.jannau.net/hdpvr/

[04:02:41]

iamlindoro_:

hadees, You have had yours for substantially longer

[04:02:51]

iamlindoro_:

if the driver works for him, he does not need to do anything

[04:02:57]

wylie_:

seems to be working fine — i've got a rev 3d or something. didn't have to put firmware on at all

[04:03:00]

iamlindoro_:

jesus, the amount of totally made up advice around here

[04:06:04]

hadees:

sorry I misunderstood, i thought he was having problems

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[04:06:43]

wylie_:

ugh, frustrating. my only problems are probably with my patch

[04:06:49]

wylie_:

or my applying patches

[04:07:31]

wylie_:

for livetv on the hdpvr, Ringbuff error: Invalid fie descriptor in 'safe_read()'

[04:07:56]

hadees:

i think most of the stuff has been applie to trunk but check the second trac ticket for patches

[04:08:15]

hadees:

wylie, do you have more then one SA you need to tune?

[04:08:22]

wylie_:

no, just one

[04:08:38]

wylie_:

rather, just 1 per backend — but this is not SA tuning problem

[04:09:30]

wylie_:

abqjp recommended that i follow the two patches in the wiki — because i had an aac problem and it was suggested not to use aac. and that bitstream detection would be better in the patch

[04:09:49]

wylie_:

patches applied fine without errors, but obviously not working entirely

[04:10:43]

hadees:

wylie, i'm not really sure if you needed them because the wiki also says "The original ticket for Myth support of the HD-PVR has been locked. The initial patches have been applied to Trunk, and no patching is currently necessary for basic usage of the HD-PVR in MythTV."

[04:11:11]

hadees:

wylie, check the patches in this ticket http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5866

[04:11:46]

wylie_:

I quoted that here, but I was told to "read on"... to still do this Patch MythTV with DeviceReadBuffer-polltimeout.2.patch in #5604 and mpegrecorder-hdpvr-v2.patch in #5866.

[04:12:04]

wylie_:

which makes sense for the not using AAC, if in fact, it is better not to use AAC

[04:12:29]

wylie_:

i'm reverting back to unpatched now and compile AAC back in and see how that goes

[04:12:43]

hadees:

wylie, i coudln't get AAC to work

[04:13:36]

iamlindoro_:

the wiki is correct, the walkthrough in the wiki is correct

[04:13:41]

iamlindoro_:

including the linked patches

[04:13:51]

wylie_:

so do the patches or not needed? i think needed

[04:14:12]

wylie_:

[when i say do patches, i mean specifically the 5604 and 5866 v2s

[04:14:16]

iamlindoro_:

Needed if you intend to use AC3 or watch live TV

[04:14:48]

wylie_:

w/ patches against latest trunk i am getting the invalid file descriptor safe_read

[04:14:59]

wylie_:

ringbuf err

[04:15:22]

hadees:

so i guess "basic usage" doesn't include live tv

[04:15:49]

iamlindoro_:

hadees, That's correct, it doesn't.

[04:22:36]

wylie_:

looks lke some of the patches referenced in wiki on step-by-step have been committed to trunk — so going thru it all line by line

[04:22:52]

iamlindoro_:

No. They have not.

[04:23:03]

iamlindoro_:

The walkthrough is absolutely, positively correct

[04:23:23]

iamlindoro_:

The two patches have *not* been applied

[04:24:00]

wylie_:

hmmmm.... then i need to pull out a fresh trunk and am confusing myself

[04:24:08]

wylie_:

ty for checking

[04:24:56]

iamlindoro_:

Also need to read both the wiki and the tickets *carefully*

[04:25:30]

iamlindoro_:

As some of the tickets contain multiple patches for different things

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wylie_:

yes, i saw that. i was told only to specifically apply DeviceReadBuffer-polltimeout.2.patch from 5604 and mpegrecorder-hdpvr-v2.patch from 5866

[04:27:43]

wylie_:

do you think that is correct — nvm, i'll read it thoroughly

[04:28:06]

iamlindoro_:

Hoest answer, what is it that has you installing trunk?

[04:28:19]

iamlindoro_:

Because if it is to try out new features, you really, really, REALLY should not.

[04:28:51]

wylie_:

i have been running trunk for 6 years, except for during some of the qt4 migration

[04:29:06]

iamlindoro_:

That's not an answer

[04:29:24]

wylie_:

well, for 1, is hdpvr a new feature?

[04:29:28]

iamlindoro_:

Yes

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[04:29:36]

wylie_:

exactly :)

[04:29:44]

iamlindoro_:

So what?

[04:30:01]

wylie_:

I want to be able to use it

[04:30:25]

iamlindoro_:

Instead of working on a new theme for .22, I'm sitting in here trying to keep one person who can't figure out which patches to apply, who is being helped by someone giving wrong advise/instruction, none of whom are reading the wiki and associated tickets carefully

[04:30:58]

iamlindoro_:

Watching the blind lead the blind when trying to use trunk for no good reason is very frustrating

[04:31:12]

iamlindoro_:

especially when you spent many many hours writing a wiki page to give clear, correct instruction on the matter

[04:31:23]

iamlindoro_:

and spent countless more hours keeping it up to date

[04:31:58]

iamlindoro_:

Then two guys who don't have a functioning setup between them assume its because the *wiki* is wrong. Well it ain't the wiki.

[04:32:55]

wylie_:

hence the "nvm, I'll read it thoroughly above". I've participated in adding content to the wiki over the years, because I was running trunk. I understand your frustration.... but trust me, if I knew that you were taking time away from otherwise working on the great theme works you've been at... I'd say, stop wasting time talking to me and get back to it — because I'll figure this out and get it working smoothly (as I always have) bu

[04:34:37]

abqjp:

wylie_: Even with those two patches, LiveTV is still not perfect, and can be frustrating. Just be happy when you get recording working with the HD-PVR.

[04:36:04]

abqjp:

The main reason the HD-PVR wiki tries to talk people out of using the TRUNK version of myth, is because it is in such a high state of flux. Makes it very hard to "support" non-developers.

[04:36:50]

Lexridge:

I was all geared up to purchase a HDPVR, but without live tv support, I think I'll wait a bit.

[04:37:37]

iamlindoro_:

Live TV with the HD-PVR will get better soon. But for every minute spent troubleshooting someone who can't be patient, it's a minute later.

[04:37:46]

academy:

iamlindoro_: to change the subject a bit ... 16 miles??? Do you purely do that for recreation or are you in a club?

[04:38:08]

abqjp:

For example, new stuff has been committed to trunk within the last two days, which has make the "Watch Recording" screen max out the CPU for some people. You may be trying to get the HD-PVR working, and be having problems that are not related the the HD-PVR at all.

[04:38:09]

iamlindoro_:

It's been a while since I did 16 miles, I've had a slow winter

[04:38:17]

iamlindoro_:

academy, For charity

[04:38:25]

iamlindoro_:

but also a member of a club/for fun

[04:38:41]

wylie_:

Yup, I get it. But as I've said, I've been running trunk forever — sometimes I hold at changesets or back up to more stable locations. Until recently, I kept up on the cvs commits — but as I hadn't added new unstable hardware in a couple of years and my kids keep me busy, I have admittedly fallen behind in that. I run 3 backends and 6 frontends. You don't hear me whining much. If I can figure out how to get stuff working better,

[04:39:04]

abqjp:

iamlindoro_: I really need exercise. I have had a damn lingering cold for two weeks now. Im am sick of being sick.

[04:39:15]

academy:

Good stuff. I row so I normally end up doing about 6 every morning as the first session of the day. Anything over 10 I find very impressive if done regularly.

[04:39:37]

iamlindoro_:

abqjp, Not running makes me feel sick-- but haven't run in weeks. Friends and I are gearing up to do an iron man triathlon this spring, so I need to get off my fat rear

[04:40:22]

academy:

I stress-fractured my rib rowing a few days ago. Practically housebound for the time being :( Everything hurts!

[04:40:25]

iamlindoro_:

academy, yeah, have been bad the last few months, but glad to be getting going again. Friends and I all coming together and getting training the next few weeks

[04:40:41]

iamlindoro_:

academy, That sucks, I know the feeling, stress fractured my shin last year

[04:40:56]

abqjp:

Lexridge: good call. LiveTV will get better with some of the stuff that daniel is working on, but if it is important to you, stay away.

[04:41:46]

academy:

Anyway I'm off to bed. MythVodka's 90% working on my trunk build (iamlindoro_, don't comment :P), so I'll get back to my (final?) segfault tomorrow.

[04:42:38]

iamlindoro_:

academy, You only get harangued when you're in asking for support to get it working ;)

[04:43:06]

academy:

iamlindoro_: Oh, I do...

[04:43:07]

iamlindoro_:

I personally have no great objection to anyone running trunk provided they are submitting good *valid* bug reports and don't request support

[04:44:33]

wylie_:

I've done plenty of that in the past — and am only asking questions on a piece of gear that is in the beginnings of support. I realize that. Like I said, I'd much rather you were kicking ass on the themes then wasting time on me — I'll figure it out — with or without help.

[04:44:59]

academy:

Oh, one quick question: how different is the db schema in trunk? Would it take a lot of work for me to rollback a db dump to run under 0.21?

[04:45:17]

iamlindoro_:

it'd be pretty much impossible to roll a trunk DB back to .21

[04:45:22]

academy:

Ok

[04:45:22]

wylie_:

yup

[04:49:27]

sandeen:

hmm well recorded playback has 30% more packets sent than stuttery livetv but that probably doesn't tell me much :)

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sandeen:

is there debugging I can enable on the backend to get more info about the video streaming?

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sandeen:

cool, if I make the audio device null for testing, video playback is 1/2 speed

[05:24:09]

sandeen:

sigh.

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sandeen:

is there any difference in the frontend<->backend communication when the frontend is watching livetv vs. recorded HDTV? It's just receiving an mpeg-2 stream either way, right?

[05:37:36]

RyeBrye:

is there no --prefix for qmake-qt4? I'm trying to do a trunk build on my new machine with prefix of /usr/local but it doesn't seem to like --prefix on qmake-qt4

[05:40:45]

iamlindoro_:

qmake doesn't get a prefix, and you shouldn't be running qmake manually anyway

[05:40:58]

iamlindoro_:

./configure --prefix=/usr/local; make; make install

[05:41:11]

RyeBrye:

ok, gotcha

[05:42:04]

RyeBrye:

is yasm used much? I haven't noticed it in the config before

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iamlindoro_:

myth's configure inherits from libav*

[05:42:55]

iamlindoro_:

where it is heavily used

[05:44:05]

wylie:

hrmmm. so sucessfully patched and recording — but for some reason not recording in AC3 and so playback is not possible without AAC decoder — but fairly certain --enable-aac not possible on the frontend...

[05:44:15]

wylie:

re: hdpvr

[05:44:26]

iamlindoro:

--enable-libfaad

[05:45:02]

iamlindoro:

So much for fairly certain

[05:45:14]

RyeBrye:

Ah, gotcha. Yeah, I installed yasm just to make sure I had it available... I'm testing the power of VDPAU to turn a relatively junk box into a decent frontend... I've got an older hyperthreaded P4 3.06 GHz box with an 8400 EN in there now... :) 2 or 3% CPU on a Core2 Duo shouldn't translate into that bad on a P4, should it?

[05:46:02]

wylie:

right, now i am 100% certain. it's not --enable-aac, it's faad. ;b

[05:49:46]

wylie:

not possible was bad wording, perhaps — "fairly certain --enable-aac not a configure option for frontend, just mythmusic"... but why so grumpy iamlindoro — this _is_ the users channel

[05:50:22]

iamlindoro:

and users should run releases

[05:50:24]

RyeBrye:

wylie: maybe that's exactly WHY he's grumpy :)

[05:51:36]

wylie:

why? i have submitted patches years ago that were committed. if every developer had that attitude towards any potential contributors, there would be very few

[05:52:33]

wylie:

i've also submitted *valid* bug reports that led to fixes, along with debugs

[05:52:34]

defaultro:

I was at Tiger Direct this afternoon. I saw small capture devices that are usb based. Are these supported?

[05:52:52]

sandeen:

defaultro, some are, look at linuxtv.org

[05:52:53]

wagnerrp:

check linuxtv.org

[05:52:54]

iamlindoro:

defaultro: How in the world could anyone know based on that amount of info?

[05:52:57]

defaultro:

cool

[05:53:00]

defaultro:

thanks

[05:53:09]

RyeBrye:

defaultro: let me review the logs I have of what you saw today

[05:53:10]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro has a usb based capture device working with mythtv

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iamlindoro:

I saw some PCI based tuner cads, do those work in myth?

[05:53:19]

defaultro:

logs?

[05:53:39]

wylie:

wylie pokes iamlindoro and asks him to smile. it's almost friday.

[05:53:41]

RyeBrye:

defaultro: yes. I'm NSA, and I'm spying on you ever since that sheep porn incident

[05:53:58]

wagnerrp:

he film himself having relations?

[05:54:00]

defaultro:

oh yeah, :) I still don't forget it

[05:54:10]

defaultro:

it was a cool porn incident

[05:54:21]

RyeBrye:

let's just say he used an "unsupported capture device"

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wylie:

for my own amusement, i did some digging. here's a quote from "iamlindoro" in the trac. "First patch here, and not a real coder so please be gentle on what little I have done here." So can we assume you are also not running trunk since you are "not a real coder"?

[06:06:33]

wylie:

lol

[06:07:21]

iamlindoro:

wylie: That was a ways back and I've learned quite a bit in that regard since. I run trunk but also don't expect/need help doing so.

[06:08:35]

iamlindoro:

Also wonder what it is you hope to gain by quoting that, but whatever

[06:09:43]

wylie:

i gain nothing, simply to make the point — nobody is a mythtv developer until they are a mythtv developer and running the trunk. i've been around as long as you and i've asked a question or two — and so have you — that's why this channel exists. so why the elitist crap.

[06:10:26]

iamlindoro:

I've never tried to run anything I wasn't capable of getting *compiled properly* myself

[06:11:58]

iamlindoro:

Also have a fairly decent number of new features in .22 written by me so I hardly think I need to defend my own activities

[06:14:49]

wylie:

I was quite capable of getting it compiled as well, thank you. It's great that you have created new features in .22 and it's appreciated. I'm personally really looking forward to your theme work hitting the pavement. I think it is fantastic. But scrutinizing me or anyone else for asking a question is the users channel is pretty silly.

[06:15:33]

wylie:

albeit, stupid questions deserve some slaps from time to time. and your poke at me to thoroughly read led me to get it working. which it now is.

[06:15:59]

iamlindoro:

wylie: You couldn't bother to carefully read the wiki, what would you like me to think of you based on that?

[06:16:18]

wylie:

anything you want

[06:16:52]

iamlindoro:

So while before I thought you were a little silly for not reading, now I conclude you're an a-hole too for hunting my older record in trac down

[06:16:59]

iamlindoro:

er oldest

[06:17:39]

wylie:

the point is the same — you were a user then, you were running trunk then, and if you weren't, it's unlikely you'd have contributed anything to .22

[06:18:28]

iamlindoro:

wylie: Actually, I was a user running the release then. My patch just happened to apply to both.

[06:18:45]

iamlindoro:

I installed trunk on a spare box to get the patch working there

[06:20:52]

iamlindoro:

Which, by the way, I still find to be a perfectly valid way of getting in to it

[06:21:08]

wylie:

agreed

[06:21:11]

iamlindoro:

presuming, as I did, that person doesn't waste a bunch of people's time by not reading

[06:22:22]

iamlindoro:

You didn't read the wiki, which is up to date and specific. You got an earful from me on account of that. But that has nothing to do with anything I wrote long ago when I was coming up to speed, and while I imagine you hoped/hope to embarrass me, I expect in the eyes of others here you've only embarrassed yourself.

[06:24:06]

PMantis:

iamlindoro: Dunno if you saw my note earlier... I ordered the PVR-150 you suggested – nice card, works great!

[06:24:30]

iamlindoro:

PMantis: I'm glad to hear it, Sorry, didn't see anything earlier (got in late this afternoon so might have missed it)

[06:24:38]

iamlindoro:

PMantis: Get it for a decent price?

[06:24:48]

PMantis:

~$35

[06:25:02]

PMantis:

w/ shipping

[06:25:07]

iamlindoro:

Pretty decent, ebay?

[06:25:09]

wagnerrp:

its too bad hauppauge doesnt still make those for canadian markets

[06:25:23]

PMantis:

iamlindoro: Yeah, ebay.

[06:25:27]

iamlindoro:

nice

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[06:26:11]

PMantis:

iamlindoro: Myth scanned about 76 channels from cable, and the v4l driver for my HD5500 card didn't find any.

[06:26:12]

iamlindoro:

sold off mine a year or so ago, most of my watching is on stuff I get via QAM and I am lucky enough to get my other channels via firewire

[06:26:42]

iamlindoro:

PMantis: I am naturally suspicious of framegrabber channel scanning (although you probably shouldn't scan with analog cards at all)

[06:27:17]

wagnerrp:

yeah, if you live in the US, there is next to no reason to ever use the channel scanner for analog

[06:27:27]

iamlindoro:

PMantis: If you know what your analog lineup is you can just get the channels from the listings source and that *should* get you all the analog channels regardless of card/scanning capabilities

[06:27:35]

wagnerrp:

the listings provider give you all the information you need

[06:27:38]

wylie:

No, I wasn't trying to embarrass you — I was trying to make the point that everyone starts somewhere. I think making a blanket statement that only active MythTV developers should be running trunk is bad.

[06:27:51]

wylie:

I also agree that people that don't know what they are doing and haven't run stable for a good amount of time, and followed the code and commits log, shouldn't either.

[06:28:04]

wagnerrp:

wylie: i read that 'users' shouldnt be running trunk

[06:28:18]

wagnerrp:

users, power users, devs...

[06:28:29]

iamlindoro:

wylie: I agree, and I probably overstated matters in that regard-- I've said before (today, in fact) that I have no problem with regular users using trunk-- but we have a HUGE influx of average joes trying to use trunk and needing support lately-- it's very very frustrating

[06:28:45]

wagnerrp:

power users being people who can survive on their own

[06:29:19]

PMantis:

iamlindoro: I haven't pruned out the channels that I can't pick-up yet, as I haven't subscribed.. just yet. But this proves the card works.

[06:29:20]

iamlindoro:

So what I've said before and I'll say again now-- If you want to use trunk, no problem with me-- but you should *not need any help*, especially when the answers are tidily wrapped up in a wiki for you

[06:29:32]

iamlindoro:

PMantis: Glad to hear it. They're good cards.

[06:29:57]

PMantis:

iamlindoro: The channels are completely unwatchable – maybe except for 1, but I can hear audio, and tell there's an image behind the snow somewhere.

[06:30:21]

wylie:

just for the record, the first patches I did were correct — my confusion came from attempting to run livetv. i re-pulled trunk applied patches again and got recordings working properly. i then flipped back to the previously patched (by me) copy and also got that running with recordings.

[06:30:21]

PMantis:

Now to call the cable provider to get this turned on. heh

[06:30:34]

wylie:

livetv was throwing me off — and you're right, i should have read more closely

[06:31:00]

PMantis:

iamlindoro: neway, just wanted to report.. Off to bed......

[06:31:04]

wagnerrp:

PMantis: youre probably just picking up a broadcast channel somewhere

[06:31:47]

wagnerrp:

unshielded bits of cable acting as antenna

[06:32:01]

PMantis:

wagnerrp: Was a few channels that don't have a broadcast around here.

[06:32:22]

iamlindoro:

wylie: And while I'm far from a core myth dev (Would call myself a contributor, really) I think it is fair to say that I'm among the 10–15 "regulars" in here who are offering daily, consistent, *free* support... so I think I'm entitled to my opinions about people running trunk when I'm answering basic "what's this ./configure thing" questions day in and day out recently

[06:32:36]

PMantis:

wagnerrp: Bit for those locals, you could be right. I don't even care about those, since I have a HDHR for OTA digital.

[06:32:58]

iamlindoro:

wylie: So if I overstated matter when it comes to you personally, I apologize... it's just easy to get sick and tired of people not reading/feeling they're entitled to support for a product that by definition should not be used by most

[06:33:24]

wagnerrp:

PMantis: i gathered you were hooked up to cable without actually having the cable turned on?

[06:33:27]

iamlindoro:

I think it's be fun to introduce code that would partition drives randomly one out of every five commits, just to make people read the commits list

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RyeBrye:

speaking of unshielded cable.... I'm so sad the guy who ran the normal COAX in the walls did two things. 1: he ran only decent RG6 cable, and 2: he stapled it down a lot so that means that when a nutjob like me wants to run the whole house with RG6-QS I'm out of luck unless I want to drill a lot of holes and cut through a lot of drywall

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wylie:

haha

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PMantis:

wagnerrp: right.. roof of concept before I spend money

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PMantis:

RyeBrye: That's not a problem if your backend is in the basement, nd your frontend streams over ethernet. :)

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iamlindoro:

RyeBrye: How much signal do you think you'll pick up by swapping in Quad Shielded cable? A tenth of a dB? a fiftieth? Why not leave the cable and put that money towards hooker and blow?

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iamlindoro:

hookers, that is

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PMantis:

ROFL

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wylie:

I may not have been able to get your to smile, but you also have me ROFL

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RyeBrye:

iamlindoro: the problem is, the hookers here all want to have the TV on, and they are very sensitive to analog noise

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PMantis:

Ugh,

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iamlindoro:

If you went all digital you could get "escorts"

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RyeBrye:

I'm also not entirely sure it's RG6 all through the house

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PMantis:

Ok, I really gotta get some sleep..

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PMantis:

cya guay

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RyeBrye:

They DID run Cat5 for all the phone jacks

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iamlindoro:

escorts love progressive video

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PMantis:

guys

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iamlindoro:

night PMantis

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RyeBrye:

and since I don't have any POTS lines... I could commandier that for ethernet – but the phone jacks are in crappy locations to put computers... good places for phones, but bad places for computers

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wagnerrp:

do you have ethernet run as well?

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RyeBrye:

No :( I'm trying to compensate for the bad ethernet with some high-gain antennas on 802.11n routers

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RyeBrye:

s/bad/non-existent/

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wagnerrp:

you only bother running cat5 if you already have spools of cat5 from running ethernet

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, the developer must have already had spools of it

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RyeBrye:

althought that does make me realize I coudl just run etnerhet over some of those lines and put an 802.11n AP much closer than my basement to that frontend and probably have better luck with the connection than I woudl by relying on high gain antennas and boosting my Tx power until it burns holes in the grass

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wagnerrp:

you could probably tap into those lines just as easily, and reroute them

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RyeBrye:

It'd still be a long run to get from the closes phone jack to where I want the frontend

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RyeBrye:

a long run through very visible walls that my wife wont appreciate having holes cut in while I run the wire... not to mention the hookers

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wagnerrp:

the hookers that would care about such things are probably going to cost more than you would spend on RG6-QS

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iamlindoro:

I added crown moulding in the living room when I got sick of cutting through firewalls

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iamlindoro:

Got it through the wall up to the ceiling and instead of notching out the T-joist I popped it back out a little hole and ran it along the corner, now covered by moulding

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RyeBrye:

my firewalls are usually pretty small and movable, and when I want to put a wire in it, I usually just use an RJ45 connector ;)

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wagnerrp:

if your firewalls use rj45, that must be why your last house burned down in a fiery blaze

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RyeBrye:

Yes, true

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iamlindoro:

I ran myth via wireless exactly once back around .11 or so... So awful

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wagnerrp:

ive run myth wirelessly on my laptop before, no issues

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iamlindoro:

had it mostly stableish for SD but the worst part was overwhelming my roomie (who I didn't get along with)'s little router, and having to sneak into her room to reset it rather than speak to her

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RyeBrye:

iamlindoro: yeah... I'm hoping that I can get by... I will have 270Mbps wireless links – which should be roughly equivalent to 100Mbps wire links

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iamlindoro:

RyeBrye: Assuming nothing else is going on on the LAN.. remember, wireless is a hub, not a switch

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RyeBrye:

I have run it on my laptop wirelessly just fine as well

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i have three online, but otherwise completely unused wireless APs

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RyeBrye:

iamlindoro: yes – I have a separate 802.11n that's going to be used for myth only

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Shadow__X:

RyeBrye, wireless n?

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RyeBrye:

Shadow__X: yeah

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Shadow__X:

what sutained speed you get

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wagnerrp:

about the only heavy traffic i ever see is my mom's cell phone

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Shadow__X:

the biggest issue with n and with all wireless is reliability

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RyeBrye:

Shadow__X: I've gotten sustained ftp transfers acrossed it on my LAN at 30 Mbps

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RyeBrye:

that was on a machine that was only using the narrow 130 Mbps channel

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Shadow__X:

hmm

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Shadow__X:

i like MB/sec

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Shadow__X:

lol

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iamlindoro:

I'm still an advocate of just sucking it up, getting some sweats on, getting into the crawlspace (or a drywall saw) and getting some Cat6 in

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Shadow__X:

max i topped out at was 9 MB/sec

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wagnerrp:

3.8MB/s sound good to you?

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Shadow__X:

there we go

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Shadow__X:

thats more like it

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RyeBrye:

9 MB/sec is good

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp, doesnt that just sound better

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wagnerrp:

im happy with mbps

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Shadow__X:

yeah that would right next to the router and a good card RyeBrye

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RyeBrye:

that's 72 Mbps

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iamlindoro:

mbps also makes a heck of a lot easier conversion when we're speaking about video

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Shadow__X:

moving away from the router i get around 7 MB/sec sustained

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RyeBrye:

My target is just at least 20 Mbps so I can get HD streaming :)

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wagnerrp:

especially considering video bitrates are... gasp! in 'mbps'

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro, sure sure

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RyeBrye:

Shadow__X: using 5 Ghz channels?

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pbj:

Hey guys. I'm running ArchLinux Kernel 2.6.27 – With intel chipsaet on a Asus EEE B202 – But sometimes the screen goes blanc, eventhough I can hear the TV in the back – But the only thing working is a reboot – Have anybody tryed this – and perhaps have a solution. Sound like a crapdriver – I've search and asked in the ArchLinux forum with out an solution: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=60705

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Shadow__X:

nope 2.4ghz

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wagnerrp:

pbj: is this SD or HD?

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mchou:

pbj: what are you decoding?

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wagnerrp:

anything more intensive than standard definition mpeg2 is probably going to choke an eeebox

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pbj:

wagnerrp: it's only SD – When you're asking about decoding ??? What you mean – I'm using DVB-S

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wagnerrp:

pbj: he was asking the same question i did

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wagnerrp:

decoding... video

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pbj:

OK – I'm noty running HD yet – only DVB-S SD

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iamlindoro:

DVB-S channels which are encrypted will often have unencrypted/audible audio, btw

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Shadow__X:

hey iamlindoro speaking of encrypted hows the work on the cable card for linux

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iamlindoro:

pbj: Myth logs will probably be more helpful than system logs from that post

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iamlindoro:

Shadow__X: Finishing it up right now, started work when I got home today

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pbj:

But it seems like a problem with the X-server – I'm not having any problems running DVB-S – But I only happens on my Asus EEE B202 boxes and not on my Shuttle XPC running with Nvidia

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Shadow__X:

ah alright ii will post my half tonigh

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iamlindoro:

Shadow__X: It's working pretty good but for some reason it tunes all the channels for free without a subscription, I'll try to fix that though

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Shadow__X:

heh oh yeah

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RyeBrye:

:)

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poodyp:

cable card for linux? that's actually possible?

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** RyeBrye sees only 10% CPU useage on his P4 doign 720p MPEG2 with VDPAU **

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pbj:

I think the problem isd in the X-server – mostly becaurse the TV is still running in the background ( sound – and changing channel) but the screen/Xserver is crashing. But will have a look on the frontend log

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mchou:

poodyp: dont be so gullible

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iamlindoro:

poodyp: No, we're just having a joke

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poodyp:

aw :(

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wagnerrp:

poodyp: sure, anything is possible! it just takes someone willing to spend the time to write drivers

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poodyp:

you guys make me a sad panda

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iamlindoro:

poodyp: You don't want cablecard anyway, the people who do have it in windows have it pretty bad

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Shadow__X:

i do not have the knowledge to write said drivers

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wagnerrp:

plus you cant actually buy a cablecard tuner

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wylie:

RyeBrye; what model card?

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poodyp:

heh

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poodyp:

I have firewire, which is kinda okay

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mchou:

RyeBrye: why are you running P4? not noisy enough for you?

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wagnerrp:

have it pretty bad? a lot of stuff flagged in VMCE as 'do not record'?

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RyeBrye:

mchou: I had one sitting in the closet :)

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mchou:

poodyp: nothing wrong with firewire

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RyeBrye:

wylie: this is the card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121235

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RyeBrye:

ASUS EN8400GS

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mchou:

poodyp: in fact you may be getting more programming with firewire than ppl using QAM

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poodyp:

nothing wrong with it, until it stops working inexplicably, or the cable box crashes

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mchou:

poodyp: what cable box?

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iamlindoro:

poodyp: cablecard is just as prone to those things, if not moreso-- They're basically just little cable boxes on a card

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poodyp:

motorola dct6416

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mchou:

poodyp: make sure you d/l the latest and greatest from linux1394

[07:03:11]

mchou:

poodyp: incompatible library versions WILL mess you up in the manner you state

[07:03:22]

poodyp:

is it normal for the SD channels to not work? I see other people with the same problem

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abqjp:

RyeBrye: have you tried to play a VC-1 video with that card and VDPAU yet?

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poodyp:

they're not 5c encrypted

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mchou:

poodyp: what do you mean by "work"

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RyeBrye:

abqjp: not yet. Where is a VC-1 file to test?

[07:04:01]

wagnerrp:

RyeBrye: if you check the initial nvidia release, they have a VC1 demo file

[07:04:04]

mchou:

poodyp: they wont work if you arent subscribed

[07:04:09]

abqjp:

iamlindoro: can probably come up with one. He seems to have samples of everything.

[07:04:15]

poodyp:

as in I get nothing through firewire

[07:04:24]

iamlindoro:

abqjp: Cleaned by VC1 sampe off my ftp this week :)

[07:04:37]

wagnerrp:

poodyp: the SD channels? or the analog channels?

[07:04:40]

abqjp:

iamlindoro could also probably point you to a tool that will print out the capabilities of the card for you.

[07:04:42]

poodyp:

SD

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poodyp:

I get some analog SD channels

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iamlindoro:

That I can: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=124978

[07:05:06]

poodyp:

channels 2–33 work

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wagnerrp:

abqjp: ive got the same card, nvclock reports a 'NV98' chip

[07:05:22]

poodyp:

34–399 don't

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mchou:

not all SD DIGITAL channels will work via 1394

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wagnerrp:

ive not actually tried VC1 though

[07:05:55]

abqjp:

wagnerrp: cool. I may get one of those while it's cheap.

[07:05:56]

mchou:

poodyp: especially if your arent subscribed

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iamlindoro:

If it's g98 It should be good for VC-1

[07:06:22]

abqjp:

iamlindoro: did you get VC-1 working with the 9300?

[07:06:36]

iamlindoro:

abqjp: Yes, they got it turned on in 180.16 IIRC

[07:06:38]

wylie:

any recommendations for a vc-1 capable price performer... was just looking at the page on the wiki

[07:06:41]

poodyp:

I get every channel from 2 to 299 or so, but anything above 34 doesn't work

[07:06:58]

poodyp:

then all the HD channels work

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iamlindoro:

wylie: The newer generation of the 8400 GS seems to be the cheapest card with all the capabilities

[07:07:10]

iamlindoro:

wylie: $30–40 I believe

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poodyp:

I'm not too beat up about it I was just wondering if it was normal

[07:07:21]

abqjp:

wylie: that card that RyeBrye linked to....

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wagnerrp:

vdpinfo reports 'VC1_SIMPLE', 'VC1_MAIN', and 'VC1_ADVANCED'

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wagnerrp:

in decoder capabilities

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wylie:

wow; $40. i was expecting 150+

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mchou:

wylie: why 150?

[07:08:10]

RyeBrye:

http://pastebin.com/f56a5067a

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RyeBrye:

that's the output of it

[07:08:22]

RyeBrye:

it's $39 with a $10 MIR

[07:08:22]

iamlindoro:

http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/V-codecs/WVC1/Fli . . . 1_15Mbps.wmv

[07:08:25]

iamlindoro:

VC1 sampe

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iamlindoro:

sample that is

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wylie:

I hadn't looked at pricing yet — used to video cards being far more expensive in the past

[07:09:24]

RyeBrye:

I think that output implies it supports VC-1, doesn't it?

[07:09:27]

iamlindoro:

You can definitely still spend a mint... but for this, happily, you can spend next to nothing

[07:09:31]

iamlindoro:

RyeBrye: Yes

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wagnerrp:

wylie: the first discrete video card i ever bought was $35

[07:09:56]

wagnerrp:

and that was... 8 year ago?

[07:10:11]

RyeBrye:

I bought this one because someone else mentioned it had g98 in it – and it was dirt cheap

[07:11:18]

abqjp:

Shipping charges is $9, though. Newegg used to have cheaper shipping charges.

[07:11:42]

RyeBrye:

Ah, yeah. They do bite you in the ass on some things for shipping – but it's all across the board.

[07:12:07]

abqjp:

Newegg also annoys me with their "Guaranteed 3 day shipping", when they will not actually guarantee it, and it always takes 4 days to get to me.

[07:12:39]

RyeBrye:

It takes it usually 1 or 2 days to get to me – but that's when they ship from CA... this last order they shipped from TN and it took the full 3 days

[07:12:50]

wagnerrp:

abqjp: i usually get my stuff in ~2 days, although im about 500mi from two of their main shipping centers

[07:13:09]

RyeBrye:

What really annoyed me was when I built out a system and I was spending around $1700 on one order... they still charged me the $40 for shipping or whatever it was

[07:13:19]

abqjp:

I am in albuquerque, and they always ship it UPS ground.

[07:14:37]

RyeBrye:

I'm pleased to see that when I upgrade my TV to a 2032 x 2032 TV and start getting source material in that format that my $39 graphics card will still be able to hardware accelerate it

[07:15:02]

wagnerrp:

well... kind of...

[07:15:35]

wagnerrp:

(with h264 at least) the larger the frame, the fewer reference frames you can have before the decoder craps out

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RyeBrye:

ah.

[07:16:05]

RyeBrye:

I hope they fix that before a square 2032p becocomes commonplace ;)

[07:16:15]

wagnerrp:

thats the big meaning of the levels

[07:16:33]

RyeBrye:

that makes sense

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wagnerrp:

you need a certain amount of processing capability, you need a certain amount of buffer space

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RyeBrye:

do the more $$$ cards support more reference frames, or is entirely up to the chipset?

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wagnerrp:

entirely up to the hardware implementation

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justinh:

the way I read it, more RAM is better

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justinh:

i.e. people with the same card but with more RAM onboard had fewer playback issues using VDPAU. Could just be coincidence & the cards were physically different otherwise, despite being the same model number

[07:19:02]

justinh:

I reckon it might just be too early to say for sure

[07:19:15]

RyeBrye:

It was funny... earlier today when I went to put in the 4 gigs of DDR2 pc5300 (remember, this is an old crappy box – 4 gigs is the max for the box) – I went to turn it on and it was giving me the angry grunting beep indicating bad / unsupported RAM

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wagnerrp:

from what i heard, people using mplayer didnt have the same issue with the 256mb cards than the people using mythtv

[07:19:40]

justinh:

that, and the fact that accurate information hasn't been collected yet because of all the excitement

[07:19:40]

RyeBrye:

I was worried I bought unsupported RAM – so I put back in the 512 meg DIMM it had... and for a short time my video card and my computer had the same amount of RAM

[07:19:55]

RyeBrye:

(it turns out, one of the sticks is bad – so once I figured out which one i at least am at 3.5 Gigs now)

[07:20:14]

justinh:

and of course the fact it's very difficult to collect reliable & accurate information as long as users are involved

[07:20:18]

justinh:

users lie!

[07:20:37]

RyeBrye:

Yep

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wagnerrp:

RyeBrye: your board has 8 slots? or you have 3 sticks of 1GB, one of 512?

[07:21:49]

RyeBrye:

wagnerrp: 4 slots, but it somehow recognized / booted with 3.5 – maybe it just isn't using the 512

[07:22:26]

wagnerrp:

RyeBrye: thats actually some limitation of the architecture, i dont remember what was the reason

[07:23:03]

RyeBrye:

In the BIOS when I had 2 1G chips in, it said something like "Dual interweaved" but when I put the 512 in it said "Single" in the mode column or whatever it was

[07:23:25]

RyeBrye:

so perhaps it's just not interweaving when they are mismatched... I haven't looked into it much – I'm going to RMA this bad one and get a full matching set in there

[07:23:34]

wagnerrp:

thats correct, you need match pairs to get dual channel

[07:23:42]

wagnerrp:

1 1GB chip in each channel

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RyeBrye:

It's a Dell BIOS, so I try to spend as little time in it as possible

[07:23:47]

justinh:

iamlindoro: I'm really bowled over by gbee's new take on pbb

[07:23:50]

poodyp:

RyeBrye: you need a 64bit OS to get more than 4gb

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wagnerrp:

or perhaps one 1GB chip, and one 512MB chip in each channel

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poodyp:

total

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poodyp:

so your video ram is taking some of that 4gb

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RyeBrye:

poodyp: I only have 3.5 installed now

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poodyp:

ah

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wylie:

thanks for the tip guys — ordered that card — looking forward to its arrival, since i can barely watch anything the hdpvr is recording (but this was expected)

[07:26:06]

RyeBrye:

When I was scrounging for RAM that I mgiht use- I puleld out some sticks from an even OLDER box that have these big heat spreaders on them... then I looked at the sticker and they were PC3200 400 Mhz RAM (120 pin IIRC) – but it's funny how aggressive the heat spreaders these little piece-of-crap DIMMS have on them

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justinh:

iamlindoro: I long ago dreamed of not _having_ to put the channel info on that screen – I mean what _real_ use is it? ;)

[07:26:13]

RyeBrye:

wylie: yeah, that chip is a definite bargain

[07:26:21]

RyeBrye:

wylie: er s/chip/card/

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wagnerrp:

wylie: note that the vdpau stuff is very experimental

[07:26:41]

wagnerrp:

of course since youre already using the HDPVR, that shouldnt be an issue

[07:26:48]

justinh:

I mean who _cares_ what channel something _was_ recorded on? surely it only matters that it was recorded :)

[07:26:53]

wylie:

yup, expected

[07:27:19]

poodyp:

RyeBrye: well because obviously the bigger the heatspreader the fastar [sic] the ram can go

[07:27:39]

wagnerrp:

was there ever a 120pin format?

[07:27:53]

RyeBrye:

let me go check – maybe it was 140 pin

[07:27:55]

poodyp:

never mind the fact that a heatspreader =/= heatsink

[07:28:24]

iamlindoro:

justinh: Behold the power of MythUI, I suppose

[07:28:32]

wagnerrp:

well recently there has been 168, 184, 200, and 240 pin

[07:29:02]

justinh:

since my backend upgrade isn't needed with the apparent urgency it was before xmas (as in, I don't think the box is as near death as it had me believe) I'll be turning my spare machine (with tuner) over to development again. So I can sit at a desk & use two monitors to make life (and work) much easier

[07:29:38]

justinh:

iamlindoro: not saying I'm brimming with ideas. you're apparently the man for that :)

[07:29:57]

wagnerrp:

mmm... multimonitor systems

[07:30:01]

RyeBrye:

wagnerrp: probably 168 pin

[07:30:06]

iamlindoro:

justinh: Haha, I need to stop looking at what I've already done, thoguh, it all seems to look like mess after a day or two

[07:30:20]

wagnerrp:

i dont know how i ever used a computer before getting a second monitor

[07:30:28]

justinh:

iamlindoro: the real test for you will be doing more than a handful of screens

[07:30:39]

wagnerrp:

RyeBrye: 'PC3200' would be 184 pin

[07:30:54]

RyeBrye:

wagnerrp: I twas probably 184 pin then ;)

[07:31:30]

iamlindoro:

justinh: Well, MythVideo and PBB are more or less done, and I have concepts done for MythMusic, OSD, and part of the EPG that just need translation to theme XML, and I could probably get Pictures done in an hour or two

[07:31:36]

wagnerrp:

would would not match up with the rest of the memory that was probably 240 pin

[07:31:45]

justinh:

I've even deleted the 'concept' screenshots so I can't dwell on them

[07:32:13]

iamlindoro:

justinh: Need to come up with something for the menus, though, and finish the popups all over, and that should more or less do the absolutely necessary stuff

[07:32:21]

RyeBrye:

wagnerrp: yeah, but I solder on extra pins – I read about it on the -users list ;)

[07:32:37]

poodyp:

RyeBrye: is this machine for myth? or personal use?

[07:32:40]

justinh:

iamlindoro: I hate doing the menus. they're BORING

[07:32:56]

iamlindoro:

justinh: agreed, will probably be something fairly simple I think

[07:33:00]

justinh:

those & the recording scheduling screens

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RyeBrye:

poodyp: myth frontend

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iamlindoro:

justinh: Not going to break the mold to much on the little random screens, have some ideas for the one to follow, though. Need to get through this one first, though

[07:33:58]

iamlindoro:

and need at least a few more features implemented before anything can really be called "done"

[07:34:03]

justinh:

and I think in the absence of DECENT large icons suitable for use as watermarks, there will mostly be no watermarks

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wylie:

just curious; anyone doing anything with zfs for a backend storage?

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justinh:

wylie: only the foolhardy

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iamlindoro:

justinh: I've never liked watermarks, I'm unlikely to ever use any

[07:35:00]

justinh:

iamlindoro: they're ok until someone comes up with a new plugin ;)

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t0ny-p40:

Is it possible to Daisy chain a firewire cablebox and a firewire camera and use that camera for something outside mythtv?

[07:35:28]

justinh:

t0ny-p40: get another firewire port. less hassle

[07:35:42]

t0ny-p40:

But it is possible right?

[07:35:47]

justinh:

in theory it is

[07:35:47]

wagnerrp:

should be

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justinh:

YMMV

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wagnerrp:

thats one of the design principles of firewire

[07:36:03]

justinh:

with a very big V

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poodyp:

RyeBrye: little overkill don't you think? or are you doing more than just myth?

[07:36:17]

justinh:

where MAY means 'probably will'

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wagnerrp:

of course if you add in multiple devices, you add in interrupts, and your bandwidth plummets

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iamlindoro:

justinh: Want to do something *very* simple and *very* fast for the live TV EPG, eg http://www.fecitfacta.com/EPGMockup.png

[07:36:33]

wagnerrp:

two devices *shouldnt* be a problem

[07:36:40]

justinh:

iamlindoro: I'm thinking WHAT LIVETV EPG ;)

[07:36:49]

iamlindoro:

heh

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RyeBrye:

poodyp: 4 gigs of RAM? nah, not at all :) RAM is cheap and I like it all cached :)

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RyeBrye:

poodyp: also It's going to do a lot of HD stuff

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justinh:

iamlindoro: at least in terms of the teeny video preview window.. what a farking waste of space

[07:37:45]

justinh:

better to just have a kind of bigger browse view IMHO

[07:38:10]

justinh:

take up maybe half the screen, translucent grid view

[07:38:19]

iamlindoro:

I just hate the bog-standard EPG grid view

[07:38:34]

justinh:

iamlindoro: well, it's patented!

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: is that livetv in the background? or just a static image?

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justinh:

wagnerrp: it's a mockup!

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Live in the background

[07:38:53]

iamlindoro:

That's the idea, anyway

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wagnerrp:

justinh: i realize that

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justinh:

iamlindoro: I hope I'm not being overly critical but there doesn't seem to be much consistency in these concepts other than they're all strikingly different

[07:40:54]

iamlindoro:

justinh: http://www.fecitfacta.com/theme-MV-browser.png http://www.fecitfacta.com/theme-MythMusic.png http://www.fecitfacta.com/theme-PBB-round3.png

[07:40:59]

iamlindoro:

That's not consistent?

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justinh:

iamlindoro: and just FYI that EPG layout will be absolutely useless for us in the UK

[07:41:29]

justinh:

our channel names are all longer than 4 chars :(

[07:41:38]

justinh:

well not all, but 95%

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poodyp:

RyeBrye: I'm watching HD right now and only using 450mb

[07:41:59]

wagnerrp:

justinh: what?

[07:42:06]

wagnerrp:

bbc1, bbc2, bbc3, bbc4, ....

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RyeBrye:

poodyp: I might also do some other stuff on it

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justinh:

wagnerrp: yeah they're the BBC channels. everything non-terrestrial has much longer names

[07:42:40]

RyeBrye:

poodyp: It was all of $30 for 4 gigs of RAM

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justinh:

iamlindoro: still stands. maybe I AM being over critical & for that I apologise

[07:43:24]

iamlindoro:

OK, well then I officially don't care ;)

[07:43:30]

iamlindoro:

I'm perfectly satisfied with them

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poodyp:

RyeBrye: overkill never hurts :)

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justinh:

all the new screenshots I've seen look great but there's still nothing I'd ever use

[07:43:57]

wagnerrp:

RyeBrye: if you want a quiet box, more memory means more power

[07:44:07]

poodyp:

dunno how much encoding video and stuff will use

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wagnerrp:

IIRC, a double-sided stick of DDR2 uses about 15W

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iamlindoro:

justinh: Wonder whether you get a perverse sort of pleasure out of saying things like that, as you seem to relish repeating them

[07:44:45]

iamlindoro:

I did pick up your opinion the first time, I'm not that dense

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justinh:

iamlindoro: no, I fully appreciate the work that's gone into them but I just don't _like_ them. it's horses for courses

[07:45:30]

iamlindoro:

Once again, I *get* it, no need to further express your opinion, feel free to disregard any screenshots of mine

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justinh:

see I think I'm falling into the all too common trap everybody who's ever contacted me has fallen into, so I'll STFU

[07:48:43]

justinh:

anyway, and I really do mean this... good luck :) Hope you never end up like me

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poodyp:

http://www.osnews.com/story/20736/Trends_Are_ . . . Eee_Keyboard

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poodyp:

new frontend anyone? :D

[07:55:40]

wagnerrp:

are you serious?

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poodyp:

no

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wagnerrp:

ok... good

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justinh:

yeah all everyone needs, a tiny handheld frontend. nah. get the upcoming model with built-in TV tuner & it can be a backend too :-P

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poodyp:

that'd be awesome

[07:56:41]

poodyp:

:D

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poodyp:

</sarcasm>

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mchou:

what the hell is up with all these keybaord jokes?

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justinh:

in the same way facebook is awesome. and secondlife

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mchou:

apple wheel. eee keyboard

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poodyp:

I don't understand the battery part

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mchou:

someone must really hate the keyboard

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wagnerrp:

mchou: actually, the eee keyboard is legitimate, as opposed to the onion report on the apple wheel

[07:59:04]

mchou:

wagnerrp: it's still a sick joke

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RyeBrye:

the Eee keyboard? wtf?

[08:00:09]

RyeBrye:

"It has a small built-in touchscreen display, which can display the Windows desktop or a set of media controls." Yuck. Windows

[08:01:24]

poodyp:

kind of odd, considering the EEE series got it's start using linux

[08:02:41]

mchou:

They should just make an iphone with all the attachments

[08:02:45]

mchou:

game over

[08:03:51]

mchou:

or I should say iTouch

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wagnerrp:

for people who touch their... gadgets?

[08:04:45]

mchou:

wagnerrp: why not?

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mchou:

if jobs was really a visionary he should have announced it at this macworld

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justinh:

heh. next time some damn foo comes in here with mysql related problems... http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php . . . p;highlight=

[08:07:36]

justinh:

so long as people are capable of editing a file, saving it & changing its permissions AND figuring out what they need to do to run it but hey

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wagnerrp:

i understand putting a computer in a monitor, but not putting one in a keyboard

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justinh:

keyboards are cheaper to make :)

[08:08:58]

justinh:

especially ones which have low profile keys that look distinctly awful to use

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mchou:

what happens when the keyboard gets grimy?

[08:09:42]

mchou:

can you put it in the dishwasher?

[08:10:43]

mchou:

gives a whole new meaning to 'replace the keyboard'

[08:11:21]

mchou:

either the product is going to be wildly popular to fail miserably

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justinh:

all innovators run that risk

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justinh:

thank god people are still trying though, or we'd all be using beige boxes

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justinh:

and GANT

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** RyeBrye pukes **

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RyeBrye:

thanks for mentioning GANT

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wagnerrp:

i cant say ive ever washed a keyboard

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wagnerrp:

i gutted them several times, and sprayed out the accumulated dirt, dust, and hair, but the keys never really get grimy

[08:14:00]

wagnerrp:

maybe greasy, but that just gives them a nice sheen

[08:14:00]

ruskie:

I generally clean keys and all once every 6 months...

[08:14:00]

ruskie:

most people just take the keys and put them in something and stuff them into the dishwasher...

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wagnerrp:

they really are going full 'mac'

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wagnerrp:

when it gets dirty, you toss it and buy a new one

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ruskie:

lol

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mchou:

wagnerrp: that's what I meant by grimy

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wagnerrp:

i know

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** justinh wonders how the hell that wireless HDMI stuff works **

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mchou:

all the crap that's stuck betw. keys

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wagnerrp:

i dont dare look at whats under my laptop keyboard

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justinh:

what's HDMI.. in excess of 1.5Gb/sec... doing that over radio... oof

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wagnerrp:

justinh: double that

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justinh:

cue health scares about > 10Ghz emmissions in the home... (guessing)

[08:19:34]

wagnerrp:

because 10GHz is so much worse than 6GHz

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justinh:

ah. it uses UWB apparently. 3.1 – 10.6GHz, pulsed carriers OFDM style. effing complicated DSP tech

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poodyp:

I don't understand wireless HDMI

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wagnerrp:

silver-zinc batteries for laptops... isnt that 1960's tech?

[08:24:29]

poodyp:

I mean what the point is not how it works

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RyeBrye:

what is the latency on that?

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poodyp:

wagnerrp: not if it's zinc coated lithium

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justinh:

RyeBrye: probably less than a video field. it's not compressed

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RyeBrye:

hmm... two of my shows tonight recoded and then immediately it auto-expired the thing it just recorded

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** RyeBrye should have freed up space before **

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RyeBrye:

I guess it did wait 15 minutes before expiring it

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justinh:

heh

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** lyricnz got a backtrace out of a frontend crash, but has NFI what to make of it... **

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wagnerrp:

pastebin

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justinh:

that's what the point of getting people more experienced than you to look at pastebin dumps is :)

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lyricnz:

Looks like a sigsegv in freetype

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lyricnz:

http://pastebin.com/m6e09d6bc

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lyricnz:

Is there any code in themes? Or all declarative?

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wagnerrp:

never actually seen a multithreaded backtrace

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wagnerrp:

but youve got freetype and ssdp, the rest are in various states of 'wait'

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lyricnz:

Well, I'm presuming that since the sigsegv was in "LWP 30647", that's the interesting backtrace

[08:55:40]

lyricnz:

which is doing freetype memory-free stuff

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wagnerrp:

a reasonably assumption

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justinh:

lyricnz: themes have been known to cause segfaults in the past – missing elements & the like. but they were always static faults

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lyricnz:

Which looks like it was watching pre-recorded, so probably writing some GUI/title stuff

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lyricnz:

like the progress bar text, program info, or something

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lyricnz:

Looks like it died when it was starting to watch a recording

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lyricnz:

I'm using blootube-wide theme and blueosd osd

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justinh:

nuff said

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lyricnz:

Is that bad?

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justinh:

I wouldn't have said so

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justinh:

if there were problems in the themes, you'd be able to reproduce the crash very easily

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lyricnz:

It's pretty inconsistent, it crashes pretty randomly.

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justinh:

so you can rule them out :)

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lyricnz:

I've run memtest86 on this machine for 48 hours, nothing there...

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lyricnz:

So I doubt it's faulty memory or anything

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lyricnz:

I'm waiting for more crashes to compare

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lyricnz:

but NuppelVideoPlayer.cpp is "ours" right?

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justinh:

I read something about nvidia fixing something freetype-ish yesterday. dunno if that's related or not. you need somebody who really knows the code to look at that backtrace

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justinh:

lyricnz: without question

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lyricnz:

line 317 of NuppelVideoPlayer.cpp is "delete osd". This kindof implies a double-free bug?

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lyricnz:

Isn't there some extra-defensive memory allocator for C, that zeros out on free() to help diagnose this kind of thing?

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lyricnz:

It's actually in the destructore for that class, so maybe the osd is disappearing at the time

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wagnerrp:

well valgrind will alert you of such issues, but will probably render mythfrontend completely unusable

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justinh:

no idea. like I said, you really need somebody who knows the code to look at the backtrace

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lyricnz:

okay. brb, dinner

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** justinh wonders what relevance the Boxee alpha going public has to mythtv.. and why somebody would see fit to post about it on the ML **

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wagnerrp:

boxee is the shiznitz, it beats the shizzle out of myth

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justinh:

yeah why record TV when you can just download it illegally

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jduggan:

fosho mofo

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** justinh chuckles at all the votes for XBMC in the 'best DVR' poll. Ooops **

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directhex:

most people just want a file browser for torrents!

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** directhex votes sagetv, for looking awesome **

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** poodyp votes for Macrovission iGuide **

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poodyp:

I think a part of me died just from typing that

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justinh:

heh another manager is leaving us. aww. well, I see it as preserving the jobs of the rest of us since we were top-heavy with managers anyway :)

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justinh:

aka delaying the inevitable. hmph

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justinh:

yet another thing based on XBMC \o/

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bcochofel:

Hi, I'm new to mythtv and I have one question

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bcochofel:

Can I use mythtv to schedule something like: play video, next show weather, next show rss feed in a loop fashion?

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bcochofel:

automatically I mean, without the need to interact

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lyricnz:

nope

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justinh:

not without scripting it & using the telnet remote interface :)

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justinh:

but that kind of application of mythtv sounds like a commercial kiosk operation

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justinh:

and you don't need to go to all the hassle of installing mythtv to do that

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justinh:

well, one less screen to do. delete recordings, I never loved you anyway

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bcochofel:

justinh: yes, something like that, but can you tell me how to do that? or some tool that I can use?

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justinh:

man bash

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justinh:

10 mplayer videofile.mpg -some_options

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justinh:

20 open browser showing weather webpage, possibly customised

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justinh:

30 point browser at rendering of rss news feed

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justinh:

40 goto 10

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justinh:

forgot line 05

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justinh:

05 REM this is not rocket science

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bcochofel:

justinh: :), ok that I know. I'm looking for some kind of app

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justinh:

you could look for an app to do this for years, without finding anything

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justinh:

it's simple enough just to write a script which does it instead

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justinh:

http://www.my-custom-video-kiosk-app.com/make . . . eydamnit.htm

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Shadow__X:

oh rly

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justinh:

depends. I mean if you want to update it on the fly by dropping files onto it.. not quite so easy...

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justinh:

definitely sounds like a job for custom-made code though

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justinh:

hey you could just use XBMC & sent it (its window, via the X server) control events heavy-handedly from a script

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justinh:

any deeper advice than this & you'll be looking at a consultancy fee

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gbee:

bcochofel: oddly enough, what you want to do might just become a little easier with 0.22, but that's in the future, not something you can do now

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bcochofel:

justinh: thx very much, guess I have to hard code

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justinh:

what's it for anyway?

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directhex:

new backend's been shipped. woo

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justinh:

old one fall of? ;-)

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justinh:

of? off. damn my faulty brain

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mythrookie:

cheers

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mythrookie:

is there a way to debug the scan command mythtv is using to scan channels for an input?

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mythrookie:

i know it is sending the wrong -s (switch parameter) i would like to figure out what setting DVB Lnb gives me the parameter -s 3

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mythrookie:

DiseqC port 4 does not

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justinh:

hrm. try "-v all" when you run mythtv-setup

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mythrookie:

allright on it

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justinh:

or -v most might be better instead

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mythrookie:

wow segfaults

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mythrookie:

looks like diseq voltage is wrong

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mythrookie:

thanks

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justinh:

you mean I was actually useful today? wow. cheers :)

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Shadow__X:

congrats justinh

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mythrookie:

(is there a reason why after closing mythtv-setup my keyboard is useless in x?)

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justinh:

er... you need to move the mouse and/or click on a window to change focus?

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justinh:

sounds window-manager related anyway, fwiw

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mythrookie:

its just x

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mythrookie:

but i will figure it out .. just wondered it its common/known

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** justinh wonders what happens to all the old calculators **

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Shadow__X:

junk drawers

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gbee:

mythrookie: that's why window managers exist, to manage windows and focus

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directhex:

justinh, calculator heaven. duh

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mythrookie:

so i need a wm

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mythrookie:

got that

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mythrookie:

do you guys know what the option ATSC ChannelSeperator stands for

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mythrookie:

in Scan from channel.conf?

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mythrookie:

sweet baby jesus

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justinh:

wouldn't advise anybody to import from channels.conf files – instead use the built-in scanner in mythtv-setup

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mythrookie:

all channels found

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mythrookie:

nope scanner finds 5 channels

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mythrookie:

had to do a scan with dvbscan myself

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mythrookie:

and import it

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mythrookie:

mythtv scan stops after first transponder

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mythrookie:

about 5 – 15 channels

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mythrookie:

dvb scan scans for about 20min

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mythrookie:

finds 1250channels

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justinh:

ahh satellite stuff

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justinh:

well, not all transponders carry information about every other transponder. Infact I'm not even sure they should.. though it's certainly the case with dvb-t

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justinh:

also, not every dvb broadcaster follows the dvb spec, meaning that mythtv needs to use various workarounds for those special cases

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gbee:

http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/newtheme_watchrec4.png

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gbee:

problem is that I don't know when to stop tweaking and I don't know if I've taken it too far

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gbee:

anyway, left two recordings are in-progress

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justinh:

WOW

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justinh:

the 4:3 preview seems to have leaked out by a pixel or so but otherwise, top banana :)

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justinh:

really like the colour scheme too

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gbee:

yeah, I can't figure out why since the frame is in front so should hide it

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justinh:

mask it anyway? ;)

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gbee:

might just have to tweak further, or mask it as you suggest :)

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justinh:

I gave up trying to make a frame fit everything perfectly in glass-wide.. it really gets buggered with 4:3 previews

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gbee:

masking or overlaying a border helps to hide the nasty edges of the previews too, which is a top tip

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gbee:

justinh: yeah, might be easier with mythui, I don't really know

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justinh:

wasn't there an image autoborder-cutter-offer thingy done at some point for coverart etc?

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mythrookie:

are those two cable inputs

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gbee:

justinh: yep, <crop>, so that can be used too

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gbee:

had to give the area behind the previews a black background for the 4:3 previews

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mythrookie:

luvly theme this is

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justinh:

just noticed the in-progress recording icons too. effinelle

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mythrookie:

i wonder how two recordings at the same time

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justinh:

mythrookie: you can do at least two (and up to five) recordings from one DVB transponder/multiplex with mythtv

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justinh:

more if you hack one line of code :)

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justinh:

eat that, MCE :D

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gbee:

my production frontend can do 15+ at a time

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gbee:

even my dev backend can do 10+

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justinh:

my athlon 800 managed 10 at a time but I didn't bother pushing it. CPU load was about 50% with the scheduler doing so much work

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justinh:

considering there aren't more than 6 or so TV channels per mux on Freeview I didn't think there was any merit taking it further

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justinh:

but even pulling a whole mux down to HDD wouldn't tax even an IDE bus all that much

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loki_666_:

hi

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justinh:

yay my new knives are in. £17 at amazon reduced from over £80

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loki_666_:

does the internal myth player output yv12 format?

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mythrookie:

really

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justinh:

mythrookie: no, we're making it all up!

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mythrookie:

how more than 1 recording?

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justinh:

mythrookie: because on a transponder, all the channels are part of the same stream of data

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mythrookie:

-.- of course

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mythrookie:

from one transponder

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justinh:

get it now? ;-)

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mythrookie:

makes sense

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gbee:

all broadcast on the same frequency, the STB etc just filters out the stream it wants

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justinh:

in practise it's much harder to do than it sounds, though

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gbee:

discarding the rest

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mythrookie:

but there are only about 10 channels on one transponder

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justinh:

_TV_ channels, yeah. generally

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mythrookie:

here every second transponder has max one or two good channels

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justinh:

it's down to the luck of the draw :)

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mythrookie:

still Amazing

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gbee:

more than that here

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justinh:

I record everything I could conceivably ever want to watch/listen to with only 3 tuners

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justinh:

and yet I still watch less than 5 hours of TV a week. heh

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justinh:

gbee: those in-progress icons.. are they just the other flipbook images you had with another image hard-wired or are they layered?

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justinh:

nevermind I suppose they could easily be either now such things can be done

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gbee:

the box is a seperate image, the foreground circles are flipbook, using the images I created for the watch recordings demo

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mythrookie:

can i use fluxbox as wm ?

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gbee:

use whatever you want

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mythrookie:

doesnt matter .. mh

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gbee:

I know a lot of people like flux, personally I use Ice but for no particular reason

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poodyp:

I use evilwm only because that's what the gentoo ebuild installed

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poodyp:

it's nice because it has no toolbars or anything to accidentally get in the way

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mythrookie:

omg

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mythrookie:

i just tried it with pip (transponder thingamabob)

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mythrookie:

it is insane

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mythrookie:

in sane

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mythrookie:

i regret every second i had to live w/o mythtv

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justinh:

figuring out how to get rid of window decoration with fluxbox was beyond me so I ultimately went for evilwm

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justinh:

heheh "Youtube contest challenges users to make a 'good' video"

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gbee:

lol

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justinh:

just been giving the onion's macbook wheel vid a spin here at work

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justinh:

one guy .. "Whoah.. is this for real?".. er.. no, ironic man

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justinh:

the production values had him fooled for a sec. ahem

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jduggan:

heh

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gbee:

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitaltv/a140957 . . . service.html

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justinh:

good grief! I can't believe this place sometimes. so we have a new front panel to try in place for something OEM-ish we're doing.. which has extra screw holes to mount it, holes which weren't needed for the original panel. is there a revised drawing for the new mounting plate? Is there nuts

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gbee:

what did I just just a couple of days ago about it being a shame that ITV wasn't available through Virgin's on-demand

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gbee:

no need to thank me, it was nothing really

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jduggan:

gbee: oh really??

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gbee:

no, not really

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gbee:

but yes, ITV content is now being made available through on-demand

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justinh:

and another silly assumption.. that all the mounting holes were both centrally groups and equidistant. wtf is wrong with these mechanical drawing folks?

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justinh:

s/groups/grouped

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justinh:

gbee: somebody buy virgin some new HDDs for xmas? ;-)

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gbee:

seems like it :)

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gbee:

only 500 hours of content though, so not that much really

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justinh:

watchable content.. per year? sounds about right

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justinh:

including ads :)

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gbee:

heh

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justinh:

wooo. nifty, this: http://www.curiousinventor.com/store/product/102

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gbee:

I'll take your word on that

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kaktuspalme:

hi there

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kaktuspalme:

has anyone build a system with a DVB-S2 Card?

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pheld:

s2 works fine, but requires more recent code than is available in any current distro

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gbee:

http://xkcd.com/

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kaktuspalme:

pheld: cool, i'm planning to build a media center system

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pheld:

kaktuspalme: some s2-cards also works as SD-receivers with supported software releases. HD is still experimental from a myth-perspective

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kaktuspalme:

pheld: i love experimental things, so no problems, what about capturing?

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pheld:

both recording and playback of HD is under heavy development. Capture/recording requires recent drivers and some modifications to myth to get it to accept most HD channels. HD playback requires either a powerful CPU or HW-accell with experiemental drivers (nvidia only)

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justinh:

powerful CPU meaning 1.8GHz Core 2 Duo – ish

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pheld:

what works and not also depends on location (choice of standards and codecs)

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kaktuspalme:

pheld: powerfull cpu shouldn't be a problem, it'll be a news system

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kaktuspalme:

a new not news

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pheld:

justinh: my E6600 (2.4GHz stock) needs overclocking to ~3GHz to play 1080i

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kaktuspalme:

as i heard, if i have a tv-card with a hw chip, i can directly save the stream to the harddisk

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justinh:

in Europe it'll generally be h.264 at around 15Mbits/sec

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justinh:

kaktuspalme: digital tuners just grab the digital stream, so no encoding needed

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pheld:

I'm in europe which means h.264 and thus extra crunching-power reqd

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kaktuspalme:

justinh: so as i except then playback is the greater problem than recording(problems = machinepower problems)

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pheld:

with mpeg2 you're probly ok with about a 1.8G core equivalent

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kaktuspalme:

pheld: im from europe to

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kslater:

as is justinh

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pheld:

capturing DVB is I/O only — almost

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justinh:

recording will generally use very little CPU.. the majority of recording in mythtv with DVB sources is database accesses & HDD writes

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kaktuspalme:

ok cool

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kslater:

I don't seem to remember h.264 decoding requiring overclocked dual core cpu's to decode though

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kaktuspalme:

is a phenom II CPU too much?

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kslater:

that's like asking if you have too much disk space

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kslater:

I don't think you can have too much cpu unless you are concerned with noise/heat/power

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kaktuspalme:

the phenom II doesn't need much power

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kaktuspalme:

hmm, my last problem is bluray support :(

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kslater:

I wanted enough power to decode hd recordings and still be reasonably quiet

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kslater:

went with AMD 5000+ x64

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kslater:

works great

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gbee:

Phenom II is what 125W compared to a 45W X2?

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kaktuspalme:

gbee: read the tests, TDP doesn't mean much

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gbee:

heh

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pheld:

kaktuspalme: blueray is not the problem. DRM is

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kaktuspalme:

but a X2 System isnt' expensive

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kaktuspalme:

pheld: yeah, but i read anywhere on the internet that someone has written an (illegal) decoder for linux

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kaktuspalme:

i live in switzerland so nothing illegal here

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kaktuspalme:

nothing illegal about cracking decrypt bluray

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kaktuspalme:

-cracking

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kaktuspalme:

hmm, ok i'll wait for bluray, there's a ps3 to play that, but id liked to have all in one box

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kaktuspalme:

DVB-S, DVB-S2, DVB-T, DVD Playback and Bluray Playback

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pheld:

myth can already handle BD containers and codecs. Existing cracks works transparent in the mounting process so myth should only see it as an extra unecrypted disk. Just like softcams it becomes an unreleated external which myth doesn't need any changes to handle

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kaktuspalme:

pheld: hmm ok cool

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kaktuspalme:

many thx

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GreyFoxx:

Oh god, Udo's back. He musta been sick yesterday or something :)

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kaktuspalme:

im searching atm for a dvb-s2 pci card with a hardware encoding chip

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iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx, Hahahaha, and he keeps posting, third one just came in

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iamlindoro_:

It's Udo v. the world now

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GreyFoxx:

I've only gotten 2 of them so far heh

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GreyFoxx:

if anything he's amusing in a "what a social idiot" kind of way

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iamlindoro_:

Ugh, I feel like if I go to this (last) day of this training that I will actually physically die

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iamlindoro_:

Longer four days of my life

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iamlindoro_:

er longest

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iamlindoro_:

YES, message four from Udo

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GreyFoxx:

What kind of training is it ?

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iamlindoro_:

Administrator training for this Product Lifecycle Management software

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iamlindoro_:

It's the driest thing I've ever been subjected to

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iamlindoro_:

Sort of like having someone read you stereo instructions

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iamlindoro_:

for 32 hours

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GreyFoxx:

And again, Udo still expects everyone to do his work for him.

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GreyFoxx:

Noone has ignore the issue, nor refused to acknowledge that HE is suffering from a problem

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GreyFoxx:

but until someone else can replicate it, or he can do some work to find out why then it frnakly does not exist

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GreyFoxx:

It's like people who have 20 second channel change times

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GreyFoxx:

I sympathize but until they can tell us how to replicate that then it's up to them to try and find out why

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kaktuspalme:

pheld: can you recommend me a DVB-S2 Card?

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GreyFoxx:

considering none of the devs I know of suffer from it

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iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx, Shame on you for providing constructive response

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iamlindoro_:

It'll only encourage him to keep speaking

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GreyFoxx:

I know

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GreyFoxx:

but I found I couldn't ignore all of his crap, and that was the only thing I could say that wouldn't have been a bitchslap

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GreyFoxx:

If it really is a bug then sure we'd want it fixed

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GreyFoxx:

Maybe I should just add udo to a filter

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mythrookie:

how do you guys autostart x and mythfrontend?

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mythrookie:

i did autologin in inittab

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mythrookie:

but only x starts -.- doesnt read my root/.xsession

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mythrookie:

where mythfrontend is started

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justinh:

autologin as which user? ;-)

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mythrookie:

i loged in as root

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shadn__:

you should log in as a user

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shadn__:

if you log in as root you make it easier for people to hack your system

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justinh:

hahahaha

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mythrookie:

well who is going to hack my tv

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mythrookie:

but you are right

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justinh:

somebody has to believe all that crap

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mythrookie:

when i startx as root it works

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shadn__:

people run scripts all day long that just look for specific ways to get in

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GreyFoxx:

myth I have rc.local auto start X as the right user, and I have X start my window manager (xfce) And xfce launches mythfrontend

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mythrookie:

6:23:respawn:/sbin/rungetty --autologin root -u 0 -g 0 tty6 /usr/bin/startx

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justinh:

the bogeyman/tourists might sneak into your house.. and use your interwebs to download open doc formatted bomb-making instructions!

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mythrookie:

thanks foxx

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justinh:

shadn__: bigger fools them for having open internet connections :)

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GreyFoxx:

mythrookie: http://www.pastebin.ca/1304273

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justinh:

anybody who leaves a computer connected directly to the net deserves everything they have no idea is coming to them :)

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shadn__:

Well if I was to make a script I would use bash and expect ;-)

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shadn__:

automate everything with expect then use bash to hit different IPs over and over again

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GreyFoxx:

mythrookie: My example just happens to have 2 screens and 2 X sessions for 2 different users which have their own frontends running

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justinh:

shadn__: ZOMG.. you could SO pwn my systmz! :-O

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GreyFoxx:

so that part might look weird :)

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shadn__:

justinh: you could "pwn" lots of systems that way

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shadn__:

not my thing though

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justinh:

ahh yes. you're such a white hat with that "I could if I wanted to" attitude :-P

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shadn__:

What I did do was create a remote installer from bash to install applications on both windows and linux systems

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shadn__:

I just need the root/administrator password

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shadn__:

check this out... http://eol.ovh.org/winexe/ It's a linux verison of psexec

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justinh:

I'm really not that bored

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shadn__:

it allows you to run shell commands on remote windows systems

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shadn__:

well if you had to manage 100's of windows systems you'd care

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justinh:

if I had to manage hundreds of windows systems I'd already be beyond caring. and probably suicidal. but that's just me

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shadn__:

agreed

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justinh:

things are bad enough in this 'happy new year' already

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mythrookie:

foxx? against what do you check in your script if ! grep noautologin ....

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GreyFoxx:

mythro any commandline input given to grub or lilo at boottime. So if I am rebooting but want to skip starting X for some reason I just add "noautologin" at the bootprompt

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GreyFoxx:

/proc/cmdline contains the line passed to the system at boot :)

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GreyFoxx:

and on my backends Ihave "nomyth" and a few others to avoid starting the backend and so on

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kaktuspalme:

is mythv able to control a LED Screen?

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shadn__:

if you wanted to make this a MythTV discussion... You could use http://eol.ovh.org/winexe/ and bash to automagicly build mythtv frontends on windows computers from a Linux backend. ;-)

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justinh:

LCD/VFD .. yes. LED screens.. erm.. maybe if they're controllable from lcdproc

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mythrookie:

sweet

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mythrookie:

thanks foxx

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shadn__:

you just create samba mounts on the linux system then use http://eol.ovh.org/winexe/ to mount the linux samba mounts to the windows system. Copy all data off the samba mount the windows local drive and start compiling

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shadn__:

remotely

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justinh:

has clever been reborn or something?

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shadn__:

you're just to negative

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mythrookie:

so your script doesnt restart x ?

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mythrookie:

mh

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mythrookie:

(i have a kill x button on my remote if my screen goes blue ... happens quite often :( )

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justinh:

I'd be trying to fix that if I were you

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justinh:

fixes are better than workarounds, long term :)

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mythrookie:

i tried to

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mythrookie:

When i watch tv

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mythrookie:

go to menue

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mythrookie:

go back to watch tv

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mythrookie:

its blue

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mythrookie:

(wiki says osd crashes => restart x )

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mythrookie:

solution dont crash osd

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mythrookie:

well it crashes every time i go back to watchtv

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GreyFoxx:

MythLogBot: Did you mean that for me ? "[11:20am]<mythrookie> so your script doesnt restart x ?"

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mythrookie:

(some channels swap screen ratio sometimes)

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GreyFoxx:

err that was for mythrookie I meant

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mythrookie:

yes i wondered if it would be hard to implement

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GreyFoxx:

Well I could just put that in a loop, for X never crashes for me in a auto restartable way

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GreyFoxx:

and frankly if X is crashing I want human intervention to restart it :)

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gbee:

driver bug

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GreyFoxx:

but mythfrontend I have in a loop

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mythrookie:

yes i want to kill it

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gbee:

or X bug, some versions of X are fairly buggy

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GreyFoxx:

myth that'd be a willing bash script with a while loop

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GreyFoxx:

simple

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mythrookie:

ok

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mythrookie:

iam getting a new gfx card

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mythrookie:

if the bug stays i will bother

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mythrookie:

guess its my beta legacy nvidia driver

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GreyFoxx:

http://www.pastebin.ca/1304296 that's what I use for running mythfrontend in a loop

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justinh:

beta legacy driver? if that isn't a contradiction in terms...

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GreyFoxx:

If I want it to grab backtraces for debugging I uncomment the gdb line and comment the mythfrontend line

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** justinh heads home **

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mythrookie:

thanks

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GreyFoxx:

a similar script could be launching X

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mythrookie:

yes i will modify that

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GreyFoxx:

so it would loop around and start if X crashes

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mythrookie:

ye good since i have to restart it if it turns blue (with the radio button on my remote :D )

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mythrookie:

quite quick to reboot 2 sec

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

I just have a script that I can press the "power" button on the MCE remote, and it will start mythfrontend if it's not running, or kill it if is running.

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

For anyone looking for a great remote for MythTV – This is the HP version of the MS MCE remote (but no receiver, and no backlit keys) for $9.99 with free shipping – http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem . . . 110328023775

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GreyFoxx:

My has 2 power buttons. 1 starts the TV, and the other will poweron the frontend if it was suspended rather than truly powered down

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GreyFoxx:

but we honestly never used the second one. We just leave it on all the time

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

GreyFoxx: I also have an Antec Fusion Black case that has an IR receiver built-in that will power on the case with a MS MCE remote (PC Power button)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

re: HP Remote – I already have one of these, and just bought 2 off of this guy for other frontends. (they work fine with a 'generic serial' receiver too.. ;-) )

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GreyFoxx:

gbee: watchrec4 looks better with the lines between the images

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GreyFoxx:

ooh and you have the in progress recording icon too

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GreyFoxx:

nice

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: Udo's most-recent response to your post is unbelievable.

[16:02:16]

sphery:

He lists all the things the devs have not done about his bug report.

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sphery:

jams: FWIW, I'm around for a while, now.

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GreyFoxx:

sphery: yeah

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GreyFoxx:

he's a self absorbed nutbar

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sphery:

Yep.

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: even if Udo doesn't appreciate your (and the rest of the devs) work, I do. :)

[16:08:01]

RyeBrye:

I totally have to side with Udo on this one. I mean – look at what he's paying you!

[16:08:04]

RyeBrye:

... oh... wait

[16:08:16]

RyeBrye:

;)

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d0netsFN:

is there a list of keyboard shortcuts for myth?

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d0netsFN:

or a keyboard shortcut that shows all the keyboard shortcuts?

[16:09:14]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

God that guy is annoying.... (Udo)... What the bleep is he on??? yikes...

[16:09:33]

sphery:

RyeBrye: Yeah, after all, how many man-months of one-on-one developer support should he get from the $30 (just guessing) he contributed^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hspent to pay for multirec.

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sphery:

d0netsFN: there's a file keys.txt in the source distro, but it's not complete

[16:10:05]

RyeBrye:

oh, the guy actually did contribute? Wow – $30... That pays for a developer to open up a .h file and read the methods

[16:10:29]

sphery:

d0netsFN: the best place is to look in MythControls (available through the frontend)

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d0netsFN:

we need a list to popup with the press of a key

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sphery:

d0netsFN: and MythWeb has a list of all actions and their associated keylist (interpretation is left to the user, though)

[16:12:05]

sphery:

d0netsFN: good luck fitting that on an 800x600 screen (see the MythWeb page(s and pages) for why)

[16:13:02]

sphery:

But, MythControls is by /far/ the best because it tries to prevent you from using any overlapping bindings (i.e. if you map 2 actions to the same key and they exist in the same context, you'll get "unexpected" results)

[16:13:09]

sphery:

and it won't be a bug in Myth

[16:13:33]

sphery:

it's because you used the wrong tool to change the bindings and broke your configuration (as the MythWeb page warns)

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GreyFoxx:

d0t: There is something in the wiki as well

[16:14:10]

clever:

mythcontrols has segfaulted for me alot last time i tried to use it

[16:14:43]

clever:

not shure iif its fixed now

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sphery:

well, I am assuming that d0netsFN is running -fixes

[16:15:25]

clever:

yeah, probly more stable there

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d0netsFN:

whats -fixes

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sphery:

yeah, in the *stable* -fixes branch, it's probably more stable :)

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d0netsFN:

im running mythbuntu

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sphery:

d0netsFN: it's the stable branch used by packagers

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clever:

:P

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sphery:

so, unless you did crazy things, you're using -fixes (=0.21-fixes)

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mythrookie:

hi

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mythrookie:

i read in the wiki mythvideo plugin gets Album Art via tags

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d0netsFN:

i asked because i want to use remote droid as my remote

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d0netsFN:

(my g1)

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mythrookie:

what file does it read ?! and what tag ?

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d0netsFN:

but he doesnt have arrows or the esc button added yet

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mythrookie:

do i have to generate some file for this

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sphery:

mythrookie: ID3 tags in the MP3 files (and possibly some other formats)

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iamlindoro:

mythrookie: Sounds like you're speaing about MythMusic

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iamlindoro:

and yes, sphery beat me to it

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sphery:

oh, yeah, and that

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sphery:

I actually read it as MythMusic

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: just wondering if you've read the response, yet

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d0netsFN:

we need media button support for keyboards

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iamlindoro:

sphery: The CAM one?

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d0netsFN:

like i have the logitech wave and its got controls at the top

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iamlindoro:

Or Udo?

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sphery:

Udo

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Hmm, last one I read was when Greyfoxx and you responded, is there more?

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sphery:

nope

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sphery:

just the one where he lists all the things the devs didn't do for him

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Note I just got yelled at for saying that SoftCAM discussion wasn't allowed

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mythrookie:

yes iam retarded

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mythrookie:

mythmusic sorry

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro: yeah, I read that too... "It's legal for me to break the law in my contry..." Yeah, right...

[16:23:39]

iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A|work: Well that's okay, but the response to my response (not by the OP) was silly

[16:23:51]

iamlindoro:

I mean, I'll give the OP the benefit of the doubt that he just didn't know

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gbee:

mythrookie: yes, mythmusic can read albumart from the ID3 tag of mp3s (and maybe in future other formats)

[16:24:14]

mythrookie:

(works with music from itunes shop :D)

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sphery:

sounds like I need to read the cam thread

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mythrookie:

thanks mr bee

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mythrookie:

i had to ad the pics with a strange tag

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mythrookie:

just plain .jpg (cover.jpg ) doesnt help

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Whoah, like three new reposes to that thread showed up whie I was drafting my response

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iamlindoro:

responses

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sphery:

Udo's?

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iamlindoro:

sphery: no, the SC thread

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sphery:

oh

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro: Is what he said really true? ie: "according to Danish law I'm entitled to break any encryption if neccessary for interoperability."

[16:27:22]

sebrock:

Is the internal player able to handle .ogm vidoes?

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sphery:

I'm enjoying that thread, now

[16:28:10]

iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A|work: It's very possibly true, and truth be told I don't have an ethical problem with breaking encryption for "free" use of something, but the rules is the rules

[16:28:31]

iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A|work: Where free us = gtting what you pay for, by the way, not free TV

[16:28:34]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro: Yeah, I understand... just seems a bit odd to me...

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iamlindoro:

sebrock: yes

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sphery:

iamlindoro: the double signature really shows how much you support the policy :) (I do that all the time, too.)

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iamlindoro:

sphery: I was just wondering how i the world I managed that

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clever:

(As he doesn't want to get sued into oblivion by the MAFIAA), let's

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clever:

lol:)

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sphery:

I often sign before I finish, then forget (because it's scrolled off the screen) and sign again.

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sebrock:

iamlindoro, thanks

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iamlindoro:

sphery: I even said "sorry" in my first response (as I recognize hes probably not trying to rip anyone off)

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sphery:

yeah

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro:

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro: that's clear & consise... and not rude either... good reply. ;-)

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sphery:

I think your responses were good. But the constant "information wants to be free (as in free beer)" people get their feathers ruffled.

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EvilGuru:

How does a 2.4Ghz Core 2 fare in the war-on-HD? As I remember reading a while back that 2.6 (Core 2) is ideal

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directhex:

a bit short, but in theory enough for most cases

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EvilGuru:

As now we have an HD TV I am building myself a new MythTV box, and will probably get a 3.16Ghz Core 2 and swap it for the 2.4Ghz in my desktop

[16:35:51]

** sphery highly recommends erring on the side of caution (i.e. more power is better) **

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iamlindoro:

sphery: I'm sure those that think information should be free would have a problem with my stealing their hard drive-- information generally wants to be free when it belongs to someone else, it seems.

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sphery:

yeah, exactly

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EvilGuru:

I'll probably get an nVidia card, so maybe in 6 or so months time the problem will solve itself

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sphery:

I just wish some of them would spent a great deal of time/effort/money compiling some information and have it get stolen

[16:36:56]

sphery:

what better way to change their opinions than to force them to see it from the other side

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

EvilGuru: I've got a C2D 2200 (2.2Ghz) that plays US ATSC HD perfectly... Haven't tried any H.264 or MPEG4 on it yet though... but I can always use a VDPAU capable card in the future if that's an issue... ;-)

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sphery:

Sounds like Brad D is one who had that type of experience (with some music of his)

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iamlindoro:

walk a mile, shoes, etc.

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iamlindoro:

Brad D seems to have his head in the right place, generally

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sphery:

yeah

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EvilGuru:

Just need to find myself a nice case now, then.

[16:38:22]

sphery:

though, coming from me--who's known to be not right-thinking--that probably doesn't mean much

[16:39:07]

EvilGuru:

Oh, and a motherboard, doubt 3xPCI is common anymore, though

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EvilGuru:

So I might have to go with just a Nova-T-500 and whatever DVB-S card is the dogs

[16:39:34]

sphery:

EvilGuru: I took the money I saved by buying the cheapest/ugliest case available and put it toward the CPU, then used a drill to allow me to put the ugly box in a different room (and what case is more beautiful than an invisible case?)

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EvilGuru:

sphery: Be nice, just don't have the space, sadly

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clever:

my frontend box is just at the end of a realy long extension running arround a wall

[16:40:31]

clever:

but the fans in the thing as so loud you can still hear it

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sebrock:

iamlindoro sorry is OGM supported since a long time ago or is it new? Doesnt work by me, got 0.21

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clever:

could hide it in a cupboard maybe...

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RyeBrye:

J-e-f-f-A: yep... VDPAU would definitely make that C2D work just fine on ATSC HD... Since I have it working great on a P4 :)

[16:41:09]

** EvilGuru wants to go with a combined frontend/backend again **

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clever:

EvilGuru: my main frontend has suddenly stoped working with lirc and ivtv

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RyeBrye:

Is there a way to do a referential integrity check on a mysql database – like... say I go in and much with my database and re-load in data without foreign key checking turned on... then after the fact can I run some command to make sure all my foreign key constraints are satisfied?

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iamlindoro:

sebrock: I don't *think* it's that new but TBH I may have lost track when it came in

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EvilGuru:

Not sure if the new Mythbuntu release will have VDPAU, doubt it as it seems to be beta nVidia drivers + SVN versions of stuff

[16:43:50]

RyeBrye:

EvilGuru: Jan 8 NVIDIA released the driver with VDPAU... but – it's still not in a release version of MythTV

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sphery:

RyeBrye: MySQL doesn't perform any foreign-key checking for us since we allow MyISAM (which doesn't--or at least didn't until very recently--support it)

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sphery:

RyeBrye: so, the app provides all referential integrity checks

[16:44:25]

sphery:

RyeBrye: thus the "don't muck with your DB" warnings everywhere on the lists, etc

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sphery:

(now MySQL does provide dup checking and other same-table-key checking, so if that's what you meant...)

[16:45:12]

RyeBrye:

sphery: ok, I wont :)

[16:45:20]

sphery:

what are you trying to do?

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sphery:

RyeBrye: and though the 180.x driver is stable, the VDPAU in it is /not/

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sphery:

think of it like MS Windows 1.0

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RyeBrye:

sphery: well, tbh – I actually hit "enter" in the wrong channel! :) (That question was intended for #mysql) – I have a DB with a bunch of InnoDB tables I'm trying to reload with test data – and it's a pain to reorder the mysqldump stuff everytime to be in an order that satisfied foreign key constraints... but it's nice to know that hand-edited data is still consistent...

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sphery:

EvilGuru: the Ubuntu packagers are looking at possibilities for making 0.22 (when released) available in the next MythBuntu without backports, but unfortunately, the freeze for that *buntu version is coming way too fast

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sphery:

RyeBrye: Oh, so, it's possible that DB may have the foreign-key constrints (i.e. using InnoDB or whatever)

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sphery:

so, all my comments apply only to the Myth DB

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EvilGuru:

Is 0.22 the Qt4 port?

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iamlindoro:

.22 uses QT4 exclusively, yes

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GreyFoxx:

it will be QT4 along with gobs of fixes and other stuff

[16:50:21]

iamlindoro:

although obviously it's more tha just that

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sphery:

I hear that with Qt4, the Myth user interface will be beautiful... ;)

[16:51:16]

iamlindoro:

haha

[16:51:27]

iamlindoro:

It'll turn GANT into a Van Gogh

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** EvilGuru would like to see GANT self-mutilate itself **

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sphery:

(for anyone who didn't catch the joke, it's really the 10's of months of work that gbee has done on mythui--and not at all Qt4--that's making Myth beautiful)

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RyeBrye:

sphery: Yeah, it's got all InnoDB tables. The way mysqldump "solves" the problem of dumping out data to be restored is that it will turn off key checking – load in all the data – then turn key checking back on... which is fine if you know the DB you are dumping is in perfect working order – but if you want to edit the data by hand and have some kind of check that you aren't breaking things... it's not a perfect solution. I'll go bug the #mythtv pe

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sphery:

you mean the #mysql people?

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RyeBrye:

err – yeah :)

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** sphery types mythtv all the time when trying to run the mysql client **

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RyeBrye:

all these things that start with "my"

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RyeBrye:

MyThtv MySQL – same thing ;)

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sphery:

yeah, at least we don't call it My-thTV

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RyeBrye:

sphery: I hear with GCC 4.4 that myth will also have a ton more features in place ;)

[16:54:20]

iamlindoro:

sphery: Better yet, fancy capitalizations. MyTHt^V

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EvilGuru:

Or Greek letters

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gbee:

it's not pronounced My-Thtv?

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iamlindoro:

Hey, when did we start troubleshooting Boxee, btw?

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RyeBrye:

My -Thutvuh is how I've been pronouncing it

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sphery:

gbee: rotfl

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sphery:

would be hilarious if one of the most-frequent committers really didn't know

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iamlindoro:

ex: Ubuntu

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justinh:

I may be many things, but at least I'm not 'him' :)

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sphery:

iamlindoro: uh, Boxee has video, so it's Myth, right?

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GreyFoxx:

Rye....your kidding right ?:)

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GreyFoxx:

Myth TV

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iamlindoro:

sphery: "I'm running it ON my Myth box!"

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GreyFoxx:

Yeah

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justinh:

miffyteeves!

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RyeBrye:

GreyFoxx: :) Yeah, I"m kidding :)

[16:56:48]

GreyFoxx:

ok :)

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iamlindoro:

I do feel we are a stand-in for ##linux (or #ubuntu, etc.) far too often

[16:57:10]

justinh:

miffyteevees needs a my sequel darterbayse

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sphery:

justinh: isn't a darterbase where the Wraith keep their fighter ships?

[16:58:09]

iamlindoro:

So I was watching the prematurely canceled show Wonderfalls the other day

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justinh:

iamlindoro: since my own recommendation of having a policy of kickbanning anybody asking a #linux-101 question was rejected, we'll have to make do with the way things are now

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iamlindoro:

and who should show up in a multi-ep guest appearance but Kaylee herself

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iamlindoro:

justinh: MOAR BANZ around here

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justinh:

wow. apparently my local TV tx was switched off for several hours early today

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justinh:

presumably while they de-iced the mast to avoid a repeat of the mast fally down incident of the early 1970s

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justinh:

iamlindoro: btw incase you missed it when your client couldn't make its mind up whether it wanted to stay here or not.. I apologise for the comments earlier. Going to concentrate on _positivity_ from here on :) And if that doesn't happen feel free to shoot me

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iamlindoro:

justinh: It's okay

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iamlindoro:

and yes, my laptop was being a bastard (I was asleep)

[17:01:18]

iamlindoro:

the log seems to have captured the burning out of my wireless card

[17:01:31]

iamlindoro:

1:15 PST or so was when it finally decided to stay dead

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justinh:

no, it's not. The kind of glib remarks I've been making have been precisely hypocritical – after all it was probably people TRYING to be constructive who pissed on my bonfire in the first place. So no more of it

[17:02:44]

iamlindoro:

justinh: Well, I respect that level of introspection :) I *would* rather you liked my work, but I also need to be okay with people not doing so

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sphery:

iamlindoro: Why did you have to bring up Wonderfalls? I miss that show. (And Caroline Dhavernas--who, I just saw in the movie Breach--was so perfect for the lead in it.)

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GreyFoxx:

sphery: yeah I liked that show

[17:03:41]

iamlindoro:

sphery: Because you brought up stargate

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justinh:

yeh I'm not sure I've got the hang of handling "yeah, looks great but isn't my cup of tea" either.. doubtful I ever will

[17:03:51]

iamlindoro:

And Hottie Firefly Mechanic was in both

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iamlindoro:

(Jewel Staite)

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SuPrSluG:

i'm thinking of getting a everex mini duo core 2ghz 2gig ram and hd homerun. will this work for a back end?

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sphery:

iamlindoro: now I'm missing Stargate, too

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justinh:

anyway, instead of sitting like a zombie on the couch playing facebook games (!) while my wife watches her soaps... gonna tidy my desk & set about some new scribblins

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SuPrSluG:

also using freeswitch instead of asterisk should work right?

[17:05:52]

justinh:

SuPrSluG: possibly – but you really don't need all that grunt just to record television from a HDHR box

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justinh:

though it won't hurt you if you come to transcode recordings & ripped media ;)

[17:07:20]

SuPrSluG:

this is what i

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SuPrSluG:

i'm talking about. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . x-_-83118007

[17:07:44]

SuPrSluG:

low power comsumer

[17:08:11]

sphery:

I love how when something is mentioned on the list that people don't like, they start up a big thread about it--"Someone should have told me..." "It should be better documented..." "It works for me, even if it's not supported, so I recommend that this newbie asking questions run in an unsupported configuration..."

[17:08:33]

sphery:

(that, specifically, regarding the fact that Myth hasn't been designed to allow running a backend without any defined capture cards)

[17:08:54]

iamlindoro:

sphery: "Why should I just trust *you*?"

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justinh:

heh. I had to coerce my laptop into it

[17:09:07]

sphery:

(and, yes, I realize that GreyFoxx may do so in the near future, at which point it may become a supported configuration, but...)

[17:09:46]

sphery:

iamlindoro: yeah, and that

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justinh:

SuPrSluG: maybe your question is a little bit too general. The only things that matter for a mythtv box are: 1. RAM 2. CPU 3. whether the motherboard chipset devices are supported by linux or not.. and a handful of other stuff

[17:10:29]

sphery:

I'm just happy that the response/new thread came out of Brad's reply, not mine (keeps every message from being highlighted in my MUA since they're not all quoting me)\

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SuPrSluG:

cool. that should work then

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justinh:

and of course whether or not any audio & video devices work in linux or not.. very important :)

[17:10:33]

SuPrSluG:

thanx

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justinh:

in all likelihood, you shouldn't have any problems SuPrSluG

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SuPrSluG:

the intel 950 on it. I wonder if can handle the hd stuff

[17:11:57]

SuPrSluG:

i like the idea of only using 30 50 watts of power :)

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justinh:

handle? it'll certainly display video at HD resolutions without too much problem

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justinh:

whether or not the CPU can decode HD content or not depends on the content :)

[17:12:37]

justinh:

or not :-P

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iamlindoro:

sphery: SC thread a "Yeah, can't talk about that here, but HERE'S A PARTING SHOT FULL OF INFO!"

[17:13:05]

iamlindoro:

er got a

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justinh:

you should be fine playing mpeg2 from the HDHR though SuPrSluG. h.264 HD from BD or whatever... your experience may vary

[17:13:28]

EvilGuru:

Does 1G still cut it?

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SuPrSluG:

http://www.ecost.com/Detail/Processors/AMD/AD . . . id=155438362 lol

[17:14:39]

justinh:

does 1G of what still cut what?

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iamlindoro:

One G on the keyboard-- is it enough?

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EvilGuru:

For a Mythtv frontend/backend

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justinh:

one G of what?

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iamlindoro:

I personally like a keyboard just of Gs

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EvilGuru:

.append('-spot')

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** justinh puts money on the gee-gees **

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gbee:

EvilGuru: of what? Ram (1Gb), CPU (1Ghz), Diskspace (1Gb)?

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EvilGuru:

gbee: Memory

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justinh:

EvilGuru: depends. if you wanna use pooptube-wide, nope

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justinh:

(not that it ever did)

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iamlindoro:

Memory is *so cheap* these days, might a well get 2–4 GB

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sphery:

love this... Regarding a user editing the wiki himself: "so anything i did write wouldn't be provably true or correct. it would just be hearsay"... Wouldn't that mean it would be like the rest of the wiki (save for iamlindoro's pages)

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iamlindoro:

sphery: haha, thanks for the caveat ;)

[17:17:19]

gbee:

justinh: that's hopefully going to change with 0.22, assuming I can make the changes I want in time

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sphery:

gotta get back to the SC thread

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justinh:

can you still buy 1GB sticks new these days?

[17:17:40]

justinh:

in packs of less than 10 I mean :P

[17:17:46]

sphery:

I didn't even remember the policy that we're not allowed to speak of South Carolina on the list, but I trust you all...

[17:18:05]

iamlindoro:

What happens in South Carolina stays in South Carolina

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justinh:

gbee: you must be angling for just-in-time loading of images or something, I figure then

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d0netsFN:

hey i run my 360 through my pc's mic in

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shadash:

I think that was a a movie once "Deliverance"

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d0netsFN:

i cant get it working in mythbuntu with gnome

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d0netsFN:

i went to system prefs audio control or whatever its called

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justinh:

d0netsFN: do you like distorted mono audio?

[17:18:50]

d0netsFN:

and i hit prefs and enabled everything

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gbee:

justinh: sort of

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iamlindoro:

d0netsFN: Wait, where does myth come into this?

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d0netsFN:

well im running mythbuntu

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d0netsFN:

its different than gnome was

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iamlindoro:

so?

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sphery:

I run my XBox 360 on the same TV that's connected to Myth

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d0netsFN:

or ubuntu

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iamlindoro:

so ask in #ubuntu-mythtv

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d0netsFN:

i did

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d0netsFN:

i got nada

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justinh:

playing 360 games through mythtv's live buffering, for testing my precognitive powahs!

[17:19:46]

iamlindoro:

we don't support your WM here

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d0netsFN:

wm?

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iamlindoro:

justinh: Hell, he's just talking about his audio settings

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iamlindoro:

even less relevant

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d0netsFN:

i enabled everything and turned the volume up

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iamlindoro:

d0netsFN: Window Manager-- it's not Myth related-- and anything pertaining to your machine runnng myth is *not* fair game

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** justinh hooks his PS3's HDMI output into his reelmagic card & does video fx on it, so he can appear in the games.. ahhh the lovely cheapness of homebrew chromakey on a PC :P **

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iamlindoro:

justinh: you've just doomed us to six months of "I heard in here that you could use the BM card in linu/Myth..."

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iamlindoro:

linux

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justinh:

a bonus is being able to appear next to Hannah Montannah in real-time video form too

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justinh:

youtube won't let me upload THOSE though

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d0netsFN:

http://img374.imageshack.us/my.php?image=volumece8.png

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d0netsFN:

i know

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d0netsFN:

i just figured maybe someone could relate (using mythbuntu)

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d0netsFN:

because the settings look different in mythbuntu than they did in regular ubuntu

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justinh:

iamlindoro: oops. I should've said I'm running Vista on that rig :-\

[17:23:21]

iamlindoro:

d0netsFN: So go *back* to #ubuntu-mythtv and wait patiently until they DO answer

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justinh:

it might one day occur to people that some 'improvements' in applications like mixer applets are not all they appear to be.. for instance, why would anybody possibly want to hear a mic input over their speakers? ;)

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meshe:

justinh: karaoke

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d0netsFN:

my xbox 360

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justinh:

precisely

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d0netsFN:

...

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justinh:

best excuse to never enable mic over the live audio channel ever invented :)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

justinh: or to re-create that live-rock-band feedback effect... ;-)

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meshe:

lol

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** justinh throws a $5 USB audio device at d0netsFN **

[17:25:33]

meshe:

i built someone a karaoke laptop once

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justinh:

look – it has a LINE input :)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

justinh: My SB Live! had like 4 line inputs... 2 were called "Aux" inputs... ;-)

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meshe:

d0netsFN: in windows at least, you need to tweak the drivers to allow it, you may need to do the same in linux if the driver even allows it

[17:26:46]

justinh:

heh. My SB Live! had like 0 digital ins or outs. Now it has 2 ins & 2 outs. I <3 my soldering iron

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d0netsFN:

thats a pretty poor solution justinh

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meshe:

find our audio card and google the problem

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** iamlindoro wonders if next we'll be helping with furniture assembly because "I want to put my myth box in it" **

[17:27:16]

d0netsFN:

brb im gonna restart

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iamlindoro:

Or mortgage advice because "I want a house with a home theatre room"

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justinh:

d0netsFN: it still has as much to do with mythtv as fly fishing. seeya

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meshe:

d0netsFN: also run alsamixer from a terminal and check the settings there

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d0netsFN:

i have asla mixer open

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shadash:

I had an idea that was even "better" than karaoke! It's called act-araoke. Basically you blur out the characters faces in a movie and people record their faces in the scene

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d0netsFN:

everything is enabled

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d0netsFN:

volume up, etc...

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d0netsFN:

brb

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justinh:

also, badger the guys who wrote the driver. ask them why it's not enable-able in the version mythbuntu use :)

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sid3windr:

mushroom mushroom

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justinh:

hey yeah... just go ask in #alsa

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meshe:

aaaah, a snake

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justinh:

never had anybody take me up on my offer of about a hundred FREE mythtv domed PC case badges when i offered the other week.. so here it is again.. free myth case badges to good home, just pay post & packing :)

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meshe:

i don't need 100, but i'll take 5 :)

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sid3windr:

pic? :p

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justinh:

sid3windr: it's the mythtv logo, on the blue coily spring background made famous by mythtv.org

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sid3windr:

hmm then I'll take 5 too ;)

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justinh:

nah, winner takes them all or they go in the bin

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sid3windr:

hrmpf :p

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iamlindoro:

sphery: now you're in for it, Udo will see you agree with him that Mythbackend is full of "cruft" ;)

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sphery:

iamlindoro: oops

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sphery:

it's only cruft when it's disabled

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justinh:

sid3windr: I didn't use the SVG either.. actually took time to do a faithful reproduction :)

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iamlindoro:

I know, bu his talent for misconstruing is unrivaled

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sid3windr:

:)

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justinh:

next time I build myth I have to remember to --disable-dbox2 & all that

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meshe:

justinh: sell them for a couple bucks each and donate the profits to mythtv.org

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justinh:

mythtv.org doesn't take donations

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justinh:

I've used previous sales to help fund trips to expos where we 'preached' about mythtv

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meshe:

there ya go :)

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justinh:

didn't go far but every little helps

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justinh:

and no way it'll pay for an airfare to linuxtag

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justinh:

seen as there aren't any UK linux expos of note anymore

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meshe:

linuxfest northwest should be coming up soon

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justinh:

linuxfest northwest? que?

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justinh:

ah. USA

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RyeBrye:

Are there any reliable cheap lirc-compatible USB general-purpose infrared receivers? or would I be better off getting something like a USB MCE remote?

[17:36:02]

meshe:

near my area, western Washington state

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justinh:

boo!

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meshe:

well, i live one country north of it

[17:36:31]

justinh:

RyeBrye: the latter, but if you want to spend more $$$ there's the USBUIRT or whatever they call it

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RyeBrye:

justinh: yeah, I saw that. I don't need a blaster or anything, and $20ish seems a lot better for a remote control than $60ish

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justinh:

RyeBrye: plus other remotes can easily emulate the MCE remote :)

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justinh:

hrm. linuxworld is now opensource world

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meshe:

i'm going to need a usb ir receiver as i'm going to have a spare hauppage 350 remote available for my laptop frontend

[17:38:58]

meshe:

actually, that laptop might have serial

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justinh:

!!

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meshe:

??

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sid3windr:

..

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justinh:

serial.. on a laptop.. (!)

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RyeBrye:

hm... an RF remote might be nice... but if the remote gets broken then you are kind of SOL

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justinh:

RyeBrye: remote.. gets.. broken? ruh?

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RyeBrye:

I've had some remotes get broken buttons after a year or two

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meshe:

yeah, bought it... 5 years ago, p4 2.4 Ghz 256 MB RAM no builtin wireless, makes a great frontend

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meshe:

RyeBrye: don't step on your remotes?

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justinh:

heh

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meshe:

i've got another laptop with a dead lcd i'm going to turn into a frontend and just hook a monitor or tv up to it

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** sphery thinks someone should write a MythHulu plugin and announce it on the list (without screenshots) and when people go to install it they get a screen with a picture of a bottle gourd, with the Chinese characters for hulu under it) **

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sphery:

I have an RF remote (ATI Remote Wonder) and want to upgrade to the ATI Remote Wonder Plus (3rd gen), but AMD/ATI doesn't sell it without a graphics/video capture card that I don't need

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Have you looked at the Snapstream Firefly?

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defaultro:

good afternoon folks. I'm saving some to buy a new box in April or May. Is there any benefit of going with crossfire or sli?

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iamlindoro:

defaultro: no, not currently

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defaultro:

cool

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wagnerrp:

defaultro: do you want to play games?

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iamlindoro:

not for Myth anyway

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defaultro:

wagnerrp, i'm thinking. Looks like i've been too much working. Time to play again :)

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sid3windr:

even with gaming, I don't think +15% performance is worth it :p

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justinh:

sphery: don't give me any ideas

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sid3windr:

sphery: send it back saying the remote was missing!

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defaultro:

so if the box will be for both myth and games, nvidia or ati? I've never tried ati

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sid3windr:

then bring it back.

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sid3windr:

unopened ;)

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defaultro:

sid3windr, so sli or crossfire is just a waste of money then

[17:47:02]

wagnerrp:

you want to play games on linux?

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defaultro:

dual boot

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sid3windr:

defaultro: yes.

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wagnerrp:

linux gaming is about as good as mac gaming, but with more emulators

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defaultro:

i don't find much games on linux, I maybe wrong

[17:47:54]

defaultro:

so wagnerrp, I should stick with Nvidia?

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iamlindoro:

Linux has great games! Like Tux Racer and.... The gimp...

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defaultro:

k

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sid3windr:

now now iamlindoro

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sid3windr:

armagetron is nice!

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iamlindoro:

Also, Inkscape!

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iamlindoro:

And um.... grep!

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meshe:

processlist doom

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meshe:

http://www.cs.unm.edu/~dlchao/flake/doom/

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meshe:

just make sure you run that one as root

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sid3windr:

yes well, if init's attacking you, what are ya gonna do :p

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sphery:

wagnerrp: Actually, I think that Mac gaming is ahead of Linux gaming... They have Photoshop: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk8hxjpnUiw

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sphery:

heh, iamlindoro was thinking the same thing (but inverting it to Linux)

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iamlindoro:

sphery: yep

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iamlindoro:

so in processlist Doom is killing the boss the same as kill -9 -1?

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meshe:

haha

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meshe:

game over

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ruskie:

hmm I'm trying to get mythvodka but the wget only get's me a text/html file... anyone got any idea where to get the tarball?

[17:53:48]

iamlindoro:

Oh, our resident personal trainer prefers that we give people the resources to do their illegal stuff.

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sphery:

iamlindoro: firefly is interesting... I may have to go with it

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

ruskie: I think I saw that at mythpagagestore

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

ruskie: umm... mythpacagestore that is... DOH!

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ruskie:

erm

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jackson__:

don't forget X-plane for linux!

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wagnerrp:

well if youre running xplane, you still dont want to be using SLI

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wagnerrp:

SLI limits the your output ports to a single card

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wagnerrp:

so self-respecting X-plane user would have less than 12 monitors

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jackson__:

wagnerrp, I run it networked with 5 pc's

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sid3windr:

5 pc's with SLI is acceptable.

[18:01:19]

jackson__:

I'm wondering how advanced the headset goggles are getting – it'd be cool with a little accelerameter to control the pan/tilt of the views.

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wagnerrp:

headset googles? like those things that dont come better than 640x480?

[18:03:47]

jackson__:

hence my wondering how advanced they've gotten...

[18:04:19]

wagnerrp:

they keep looking nicer and fancier, but theyre still pitiful resolution

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iamlindoro:

I'm waiting for the day when 3D doesn't sound like it will suck horribly

[18:04:44]

iamlindoro:

Still don't understand how it's had such a revival

[18:04:49]

wagnerrp:

theyre almost to something you could look fashionable wearing outside, until you get runover

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sphery:

The movie studios are investing $2B this year to upgrade theaters across the US for 3D

[18:05:30]

wagnerrp:

$2B?

[18:05:52]

wagnerrp:

all you need is a second projector, and a pair of couple hundred dollar filters

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jackson__:

updating smell-o-vision

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wagnerrp:

i guess it depends on whether its digital or analog

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Dibblah:

Uh... polarising filters are something like $10 if bought commercially.

[18:07:30]

wagnerrp:

Dibblah: linear polarizing filters maybe

[18:07:47]

sphery:

wagnerrp: and digital projectors... Only about 1400 of 30000 screens can do 3D in the US. 28600* a couple projectors and filters = more money than I have to spend on it :)

[18:07:53]

sphery:

http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/2008-11 . . . 617089_x.htm

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wagnerrp:

if you want worthwhile 3D, you get circular polarization

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wagnerrp:

you dont need digital projectors for 3D

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sphery:

yeah, red/blue is too 1980's and the nv^H^Hsyncrhonized active glasses approach is wrong

[18:08:55]

wagnerrp:

but i forgot about the screen, you need special screens

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sphery:

maybe the digital projectors was just because of the live broadcast of last night's game (which makes sense)

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wagnerrp:

i have a friend who works as a manager at a Showcase

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wagnerrp:

we always suggested doing game night, or movie night, on the digital projectors

[18:11:08]

wagnerrp:

nothing ever came of it

[18:12:21]

wagnerrp:

not movie night... football night

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ruskie:

lol

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wagnerrp:

just grabbing an ATSC tuner, sticking it on the projector

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

A few years ago we did a superbowl party at my church in HD with a 12' HD picture... was like being at the theatre... ;-)

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wagnerrp:

sell tickets for games when they dont have a big movie in the theater

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

wagnerrp: probably lots of legal issues to deal with there... ;-)

[18:14:35]

wagnerrp:

yeah, could be the rebroadcast issue

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A|work: They've banned playing that stuff in churches now too

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wagnerrp:

really?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro: Huh?

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wagnerrp:

cant have people watching the game can they....

[18:15:13]

wagnerrp:

what about indian reservations?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Last year we did it but just an 8' picture this time... (smaller room, still quite nice though!)

[18:16:01]

shadash:

What about not charging them but running a sports book for bets ;-

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shadash:

;-)

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shadash:

as long as the line holds you make $$$

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wagnerrp:

depends on if you can do gambling in your area

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

wagnerrp: Some of the teatures in our area do live broadcasts of Operas and such... and charge for them...

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

(not something that I'm interested at all, but apparently lots of people are...)

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wagnerrp:

somehow i imagine PBS is more willing to negotiate licensing

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Dibblah:

The screen is not all that special either – It just can't be specular.

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

wagnerrp: These are apparently live HD broadcasts of real operas happing in NY, etc... just 'simulcast' to remote locations... [but not 3d...] From the 3d perspective, the polarization is 1000% better than the blue/red glasses from years past... ;-)

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wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A|work: not polatization, circular polarization

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A|work: http://stushie.wordpress.com/2008/02/01/relig . . . g-superbowl/

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wagnerrp:

linear polarization can be done for about $50/lens, plus a couple cents per pair of glasses

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wagnerrp:

but you turn your head, and you lose the effect

[18:20:38]

wagnerrp:

circular is quite a bit more expensive

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Dibblah:

It's not a very good way to do it, though.

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Dibblah:

... Since if it was built into the projector itsself, it'd be a $50 increment in total.

[18:21:56]

Dibblah:

(With DLP, at least)

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wagnerrp:

yeah, LCD cannot be used with polarization for obvious reasons

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iamlindoro:

http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/01/09/centon-c . . . r-windows-m/

[18:24:11]

iamlindoro:

Har har har, MCE has discovered multirec

[18:24:22]

iamlindoro:

"You see Ceton Corp announced that during 2009 their multi-channel digital cable tuner will ship, and for the first time ever a single device will somehow allow you to record up to six channels at once."

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RyeBrye:

I think the big news on that is the "cablecard" bit

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iamlindoro:

cablecard is old news, They seem to think the multirec part is fancy-shmancy

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wagnerrp:

that makes all of two devices in the last 5 years

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wagnerrp:

and the first card

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wagnerrp:

although i dont see a PCI card in the picture

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wagnerrp:

no interconnect visible

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iamlindoro:

seems to be photoshopped out

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iamlindoro:

looks like there's a stub of PCIe there

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wagnerrp:

the commenters on engadget seem to have no clue on how digital cable works

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mythrookie:

in know iam annoying

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mythrookie:

-n

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mythrookie:

how would you recommend setting up videocards with svideo out

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mythrookie:

twinview clone

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mythrookie:

?

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mythrookie:

or run x with shared space

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wagnerrp:

if you use twinview, both outputs have to be the same resolution

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meshe:

i use twinview

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mythrookie:

hm

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gbee:

wagnerrp: really?

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mythrookie:

you can setup res for screens seperately

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mythrookie:

i just wondered if you guys clone or not

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XLV:

wagnerrp, no, twinview runs very well with displays with different resolutions

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mythrookie:

and i will remove analog monitor

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gbee:

yeah, I don't believe that's true, it might have been once, but it's not now

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meshe:

mine are both set for 800x600, but i never use the vga/dvi out

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mythrookie:

so i will have svid only

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wagnerrp:

XLV: you dont mean separate screens?

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wagnerrp:

at least the last time i considered using twinview, they had to be the same resolution, even when using 'spanned'

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XLV:

in contrary of ati's dual display technique, which is my main gripe of my ati 4850 on linux atm ( that and some form of h264/vc1 gpu acceleration, but that will come i guess )

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jduggan:

google meta modes

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jduggan:

you dont need the same res on both screens

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mythrookie:

ha

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mythrookie:

hes right

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wagnerrp:

it still show up as one screen?

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jduggan:

i run nvidia twinview on 1400*900 + 1280*1024, two different resolutions, two different aspects even

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jduggan:

wagnerrp: ofcourse.

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mythrookie:

it only shows a piec of mythth on my TV

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mythrookie:

if the res is not the same

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mythrookie:

even tough i added META modes

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wagnerrp:

ok, last time i used twinview, the system thought you had a single monitor

[18:33:50]

wagnerrp:

so this sounds more like their version of xinerama

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gbee:

wagnerrp: yup

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mythrookie:

what is xinerama ?

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wagnerrp:

allows you to use multiple screens with a single X screen

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gbee:

that used to be the case and it was shitty compared to xinerama, but it now seems to work better than xinerama

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wagnerrp:

typically, your screens will be 0.0, 0.1, 0.2, 0.3, ....

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wagnerrp:

and you cannot drag applications between then

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wagnerrp:

with xinerama, it forces all screens to 0.0, making it similar to windows-style multimonitor

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meshe:

Option "MetaModes" "800x600,800x600"

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mythrookie:

yep have that

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mythrookie:

everything to 800x600

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gbee:

just use nvidia-settings

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mythrookie:

can i run x just on the tv ?

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XLV:

mythrookie, yeah

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mythrookie:

not on my analog screen

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meshe:

when i upgraded from gusty to ibex i saved my xorg.conf and just copied it in place and it worked perfectly

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mythrookie:

i would prefer that

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wagnerrp:

yes, you can run two completely independent X servers

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mythrookie:

that would be better i guess

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wagnerrp:

however, you can usually only do that on two separate cards

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mythrookie:

i only see a piece of mythtv frontend

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

mythrookie: don't expect to read shell text very well on a TV...

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mythrookie:

the middle part

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mythrookie:

i will use ssh for work

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jduggan:

http://sigkill.noffle.net/~jduggan/twinview.jpg <- twinview using metamodes, that black space on the left screen is due to different aspect ratios, i cant move windows into that space

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

I've run 2 screens on my backend system, and set mythfrontend to run on the 2nd screen only, your config should be similar.

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XLV:

mythrookie, i used to have a crt 29" and a 6600gt connected to it through svideo, just using the crt only as display, it worked as 1024x768... flickery for desktop, but enough for mythtv and movies

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wagnerrp:

yeah, mythtv really works best if it has its own X screen

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wagnerrp:

so that mythtv can run 'fullscreen'

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meshe:

works great on my twinview setup

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jduggan:

wagnerrp: in that screenshot, i used to run mythtv fullscreen on the right side monitor

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XLV:

mythrookie, check out if your tvout works too at 1024x768, thats why you see a fraction of mythtv screen.. use nvidia-settings

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mythrookie:

so how do i start x on TV only

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mythrookie:

ok

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

mythrookie: All I did was a) setup the dual screen (forget if it was xinerama, or twinview... been a few months now), then b) set mythfrontend's default display coordinates so it appeared on that screen...

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wagnerrp:

jduggan: and mythtv properly detected the monitor size? or you defined that manually?

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jduggan:

wagnerrp: no you're asking... i dont remember specifiying the resolution

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jduggan:

s/no/now/

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

mythrookie: Probably make the S-Video your 'primary' monitor I think...

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XLV:

mythrookie, yeah, through nvidia settings

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wagnerrp:

ok, any time ive run xinerama, mythtv wants to expand over all monitors unless i specify otherwise

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mythrookie:

nvidia-settings the binary?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

wagnerrp: Yeah, I seem to remember that, I think I forced the offset and 1024x728 in my config...

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mythrookie:

(never had a gui on linux sry)

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XLV:

mythrookie, yeah

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mythrookie:

The control display is undefined

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meshe:

mythrookie: here is my xorg for my frontend/backend: http://www.randombabblings.com/xorg.conf

[18:44:37]

meshe:

i think that one is using a 6200

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mythrookie:

wow thanks

[18:45:09]

mythrookie:

interesting how you define device options in screen

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

mythrookie: composite? EWWW.... your tv doesn't have s-video?

[18:45:53]

meshe:

i built that conf file about 2 years ago, i don't remember why I did it the way I did

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meshe:

J-e-f-f-A|work: it does, I can't remember why I went that way...

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

oops, meant meshe , not mythrookie ... ;-) Can you say blurry text?!?

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XLV:

mythrookie, yeah, if it has svideo, use it, and get a quality svideo cable

[18:47:06]

mythrookie:

i have svideo and video out

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mythrookie:

should be the same

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meshe:

my whold setup has changed a lot since I origianlly set that up, i have a few monster svideo cables lying around now

[18:47:27]

XLV:

mythrookie, when i was using it, getting a quality svideo cable increases quality quite a bit, not something expensive, i paid 10 euro for it, a clicktronics svideo to scart cable

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

meshe: switch it to s-video, and it will be much sharper... easier on the eyes. Normal video will be little or no difference, text will be WAY clearer...

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mythrookie:

okay

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

meshe: Monster cables don't do much over a decent 'normal' cable...

[18:48:28]

meshe:

ahh, right, the card is composite only, that's why

[18:48:32]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

meshe: They just have a 'monsterous' price in most cases... for no good reason...

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iamlindoro:

s/much/anything/

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meshe:

should try to find an agp card with svideo out for it

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wagnerrp:

your card doesnt have svideo?

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meshe:

it's an agp 6200

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wagnerrp:

ive not seen a card with a composite jack in maybe 8 years

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meshe:

bought it about 4 years ago

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sid3windr:

I have a composite agp s3 card I think :p

[18:50:20]

sid3windr:

somewhere buried deeply

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justinh:

if I ever figure out how to get the login window on the _correct_ 'main' monitor output I might revisit multimonitor dinglies in loonix

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XLV:

it should provideo svideo and composite from a dongle or multi-connections cable from the multi-pin din connector it has

[18:50:38]

justinh:

*without using a 2nd video card

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wagnerrp:

yeah, mine was some diamond/s3 card

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

I once had a BB sales kiddie trying to force me to buy a $35 6' USB cable with Gold Plated connectors for a $40 printer... I told him, "No thanks, I've got USB cables I can use." He argued, "But are they Gold plated? You'll lose quality!" I said "No I won't, it's a digital signal." What a dumbA**

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mythrookie:

ok

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mythrookie:

reboot

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XLV:

newer ones even provideo component out from that connector too, one of the component cables is composite out

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XLV:

s/provideo/provide

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meshe:

J-e-f-f-A|work: you have to love the intelligence of some of the people working at those places

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gbee:

J-e-f-f-A|work: place over here sells gold plated toslink cables ....

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wagnerrp:

meshe: i think thats very intelligent, if you can sucker the masses into buying expensive cables, why not?

[18:52:23]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

gbee: gold-plated Optical cables, that's a new one for me!

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** justinh resists the temptation to join in this one **

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justinh:

gold-plated, triple-screened mains power cables, now 'only' £2000

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mythrookie:

the splash only shows up on my analog mon

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mythrookie:

not on my tv

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justinh:

J-e-f-f-A|work: you've led a sheltered life, admit it :-P

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gbee:

J-e-f-f-A|work: should you think I'm joking – http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=35921

[18:54:07]

gbee:

"Gold-plated TosLink™ connectors"

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shadash:

I need one if those

[18:54:23]

shadash:

maybe 2

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meshe:

walked into future shop, the equivalent of best buy here about 10 years ago asking to buy a second hard drive for my computer, the sales guy tried to tell me that you can't have more than one hard drive

[18:54:47]

XLV:

mythrookie, tried with no monitor connected?

[18:54:51]

XLV:

mythrookie, just the tv?

[18:54:54]

justinh:

wow. that german weather guy needs a frickin haircut

[18:55:37]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

gbee: Ha... I didn't doubt you, just find it absolutely amazing... The people who buy those probably also fall for the "Muffler Bearing" replacement on their cars...

[18:55:48]

meshe:

i just quit going to chain stores for stuff like that

[18:56:05]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

meshe: Future Electronics?

[18:56:21]

meshe:

it's called future shop

[18:56:32]

meshe:

they are actually owned by best buy now

[18:57:14]

wagnerrp:

here we go! QED performance toslink optical cable.... '24k gold plated toslink connectors'

[18:57:24]

justinh:

I've actually been taken to the back of a shop to complete a transaction at a till after I interjected in a conversation a sales droid was having with a customer. The BS coming from his mouth was absolute gold

[18:57:49]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

meshe: Ok. ;-) I worked for Future Electronics here in the US 20 yrs ago... ;-) It's an Electronics wholesaler... The retail chain was "Active Electronics"... Got laid off when they consolidated our mainframe system with the headquarters in Montreal, Canada...

[18:58:01]

justinh:

I don't even go in that chain for a _look_ nowadays

[18:58:46]

meshe:

i've almost been thrown out of stores for actually helping a customer when the sales guy didn't have a clue

[18:58:51]

meshe:

twice

[18:58:52]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

justinh: understandable.

[18:59:27]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

meshe: I've been asked "Do you work here?" often, and most of the time I say "No, but I may be able to help you anyways..." And usually can... ;-)

[18:59:32]

wagnerrp:

heres one one amazon claiming the gold plated connectors prevents corrosion

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wagnerrp:

because, as we all know... glass and plastic corrodes just like metal

[19:00:02]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

wagnerrp: That's all it does... but how does that help an OPTICAL connection?

[19:00:16]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

^ exactly. ;-)

[19:00:17]

meshe:

J-e-f-f-A|work: yeah, the stores that i ended up helping in had their own computer repair department, they got pissed at me when i handed the customer a card when they asked for one

[19:00:43]

wagnerrp:

also, the heavy metal connectors are to 'dampen vibration'

[19:00:58]

justinh:

the thing I found really dumbfounding was that the salesperson couldn't possibly have missed the train about DAB radio in the UK. There was the old dear who wanted to buy a DAB radio to listen to classical station Radio 3, and the droid just kept rabbiting on about dance music stations.

[19:01:07]

mythrookie:

how can i start x on TV only ?

[19:01:11]

justinh:

wagnerrp: because vibrations cause jitter!

[19:01:14]

shadash:

I like to make up crazy configurations that don't make sense and ask the salespeople if they have the parts I need

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shadash:

according to the sales people they usually have everything I need

[19:02:04]

mythrookie:

sry my irc client

[19:02:05]

mythrookie:

re

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justinh:

and jitter causes tiny differences in timing between ones and zeroes in the stream. those are just _fatal_ to audio fidelity. Allegedly

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

justinh: and to VoIP too... ;-)

[19:02:41]

justinh:

it's not as if there's a clock signal embedded in digital audio or anything

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justinh:

oh wait.. it is. d'oh

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Raccoon-Fox:

hiya, guys. i have a problem configuring the v4l-dvb package on my system. it claims to install, but when i reset, the module for my ATSC tuner remains uninstalled, and installing it does the same thing. my tuner is a Hauppauge Win-TV HVR-1600. can anyone help me with installing my tuner's drivers and modules?

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iamlindoro:

You want #linuxtv

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Raccoon-Fox:

that place is dead, and they directed me here :)

[19:04:41]

iamlindoro:

Where you may need to be patienty and wait some hours

[19:04:46]

Raccoon-Fox:

i see

[19:04:50]

iamlindoro:

wait, #linuxtv directed you *here*?

[19:04:56]

Raccoon-Fox:

yes

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[19:05:04]

** iamlindoro goes to check logs **

[19:05:23]

Raccoon-Fox:

itw as via PM

[19:05:54]

GreyFoxx:

EINVALIDREDIRECT

[19:06:01]

iamlindoro:

There is *no* reason they would direct you here for your issue. Sory, but I just don't believe that

[19:06:10]

Raccoon-Fox:

o.O

[19:06:14]

Raccoon-Fox:

what would i gain by lying?

[19:06:23]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Raccoon-Fox: Perhaps this will help: http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_HVR-1600

[19:06:27]

iamlindoro:

I'm sure oy uhope to gain help

[19:06:30]

iamlindoro:

er you hope

[19:06:44]

Raccoon-Fox:

yes, i do hope to gain help, but i won't lie to do so

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[19:06:56]

iamlindoro:

but getting a random PM in #linuxtv telling you to come here when you can't get v4l-dvb installed correctly? Just don't buy it.

[19:07:32]

Raccoon-Fox:

x.x

[19:07:51]

iamlindoro:

Who sent that PM? I'll ask them.

[19:08:21]

Raccoon-Fox:

MrHeavy_> Raccoon-Fox, even though it's OT I think the guys in #mythtv might be able to help

[19:09:08]

iamlindoro:

Well, he was right baout it being OT

[19:09:17]

iamlindoro:

back to #linuxtv and *wait*, sometime it takes hours to get a response

[19:09:24]

iamlindoro:

It's a low-volume channel

[19:09:54]

sphery:

MrHeavy: And all your weight, it falls on me\nIt brings me down

[19:09:56]

sid3windr:

[09|19:31:44] < Raccoon-Fox> anyone here?

[19:09:56]

sid3windr:

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sid3windr:

[09|20:05:51] < crope> Raccoon-Fox: yes, please wait and cross your fingers

[19:10:00]

sphery:

(where me = #mythtv-users)

[19:10:02]

sid3windr:

direct me here, why yes ofcourse.

[19:10:05]

sid3windr:

:p

[19:10:05]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro: Gee, hours is at least better than the weeks response I'm still waiting for on the lcdproc mailing list... DOH!

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Raccoon-Fox:

o.O

[19:10:34]

iamlindoro:

Whee, yay logs

[19:12:48]

shadash:

Does anybody know anything about SNMP

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GreyFoxx:

What do you want to know ?

[19:13:08]

meshe:

it stands for Simple Network Management Protocol

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** meshe whistles innocently **

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shadash:

I'm looking for a linux solution that will graph SNMP traps

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meshe:

cacti

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shadash:

doesn't do it

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meshe:

yes it does

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GreyFoxx:

I use cacti to grab tons of snmp gathered data. No idea if it has a trap handler or not

[19:14:13]

shadash:

there is no trap handler

[19:14:38]

** gbee gives a blank stare **

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shadash:

yea I've been doing the same thing for a while gbee

[19:15:36]

GreyFoxx:

I found a post for someone who is doing it (using it to graph traps) but his site is down

[19:15:58]

GreyFoxx:

basically force your trap daemon to log it to syslog, then have a custom cacti script read the log

[19:16:11]

shadash:

lots of people talk about it and say that it's possible but I can't get SNMP traps to graph

[19:16:34]

meshe:

http://forums.cacti.net/about21980.html

[19:16:48]

shadash:

yea I got that far but I need a better way

[19:17:10]

GreyFoxx:

define better

[19:17:14]

shadash:

I'd like to graph potentially 100's of events

[19:17:39]

GreyFoxx:

so ? trap logging is barely any disk space or cpu

[19:17:52]

shadash:

wouldn't scale very well to do 100's of custom scripts

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GreyFoxx:

Just write the scripts well and you wouldn't need hundreds of them

[19:18:18]

shadash:

becasue I need to set up multiple times

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shadash:

at different sites

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GreyFoxx:

For example I have some perl code that poles Motorola wireless canopy AP's, I don't write 1 per AP, just 1 script that takes a commandline saying what AP to pole and any other distiguishing info I require

[19:19:46]

GreyFoxx:

So I can call getsmlist.pl 192.168.0.2

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GreyFoxx:

getsmlist.pl 192.168.0.5

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GreyFoxx:

and so on

[19:20:08]

GreyFoxx:

add parameters and season to taste

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shadash:

yea I know where you're going with it

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shadash:

sigh...

[19:21:27]

iamlindoro:

How does it relate to your myth box?

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** GreyFoxx gets out the white out and changes "pole" to "poll" **

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** iamlindoro scrolls the log, leaving a splotch of whiteout on GreyFoxx's monito **

[19:22:07]

iamlindoro:

r

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shadash:

I'm trying to integrate a closed source application that sends traps with an open source application Cacti in a solution I can sell/provide to users. But I don't want to be the person they come to over and over to set things up

[19:23:58]

shadash:

ugh...

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iamlindoro:

so... Myth fits in where?

[19:24:54]

shadash:

maybe you want to monitor your network using snmp protocals so your myth backend doesn't go offline

[19:25:15]

shadash:

or at least you'd know when systems godown/fail

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meshe:

nagios is better for that

[19:26:02]

shadash:

I like graphs

[19:26:03]

iamlindoro:

But what does that have to do with *your* question?

[19:26:04]

GreyFoxx:

Using just the info provided so far, what you describe (to graph traps) is fairly easy to setup with minimal scripting involved

[19:26:09]

shadash:

to see all the pertty colors

[19:26:16]

iamlindoro:

which has nothing at all to do with myth

[19:26:26]

GreyFoxx:

Just like I graph my GPU temps using custom scripts in cacti

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GreyFoxx:

cacti is very flexible

[19:26:32]

iamlindoro:

Jesus, it's the day of "ask for help having jack and suat to do with myth"

[19:26:37]

iamlindoro:

squat

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shadash:

GreyFoxx: I'll look at it again

[19:26:46]

meshe:

yes, but a graph won't tell you when your box is down

[19:26:47]

justinh:

it's been that all week

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justinh:

meshe: lack of a graph will :D

[19:27:08]

GreyFoxx:

if you needed alerts then yeah nagios would be good

[19:27:09]

shadash:

exactly

[19:27:11]

meshe:

true, but nagios will actually notify you

[19:27:45]

iamlindoro:

Hey guys, my Chevy is making an odd sort of whirring noise. Who can help?

[19:27:47]

iamlindoro:

Anyone?

[19:27:50]

iamlindoro:

nyone here?

[19:27:52]

iamlindoro:

GUYS?

[19:27:54]

iamlindoro:

UGH

[19:28:04]

justinh:

!seen guys

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MythLogBot:

guys has not been seen here

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iamlindoro:

It's on-topic because I need it to drive back to my mythbox!

[19:28:25]

sphery:

!seen intelligence

[19:28:25]

MythLogBot:

intelligence has not been seen here

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wagnerrp:

funny...

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro: I can help with your Chevy... ;-) [hehe]

[19:29:18]

iamlindoro:

!seen tact,courtesy,commonsense

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MythLogBot:

tact,courtesy,commonsense has not been seen here

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sphery:

iamlindoro: you could take your Chevy to the levy

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iamlindoro:

sphery: it's dry

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sphery:

guess you'll need some whiskey and rye

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** justinh fast forwards to the end of the song he hates most in all the world **

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wagnerrp:

but you could always get trashed with the good-ol-boys

[19:30:17]

sphery:

was the Weird Al Starwars version better?

[19:30:52]

GreyFoxx:

http://phaze.org/gpu.html Which do you think gets more of a workout :)

[19:31:38]

mythrookie:

ok i did the setup

[19:31:49]

mythrookie:

how can i start x on screen 0 only ?

[19:32:00]

mythrookie:

startx -- :0 doesnt work

[19:32:06]

mythrookie:

still running on both :/

[19:32:10]

wagnerrp:

make a new layout, with only the one screen

[19:32:22]

mythrookie:

ok layout

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wagnerrp:

in xorg.conf

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mythrookie:

i know

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[19:34:04]

mythrookie:

ah

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mythrookie:

it says no screen found

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mythrookie:

config wrong

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

wow- out of my [immediate] price range, but Linksys has some new spiffy color-screen music (and video?) players now: http://cl.exct.net/?qs=6d4fad02c603bfaeefb8d9 . . . e1c9cc51cf28 – Wonder if they work with standard UPnP...

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mythrookie:

you are talking about the server layout rifht?

[19:36:29]

mythrookie:

http://pastebin.com/m5f575a1f

[19:36:33]

mythrookie:

my config seem ok

[19:36:44]

mythrookie:

output of the startup is ok

[19:36:51]

mythrookie:

but when i use the second layout

[19:36:58]

mythrookie:

it says no screen foud ?!!?

[19:36:59]

justinh:

J-e-f-f-A|work: prolly work best with their own server (windows) software like the majority of 'Universal' plug & play devices

[19:40:12]

iamlindoro:

I've never seen the appeal the uPnP "players"

[19:40:30]

iamlindoro:

of the

[19:40:30]

justinh:

oh the idea is sweet, don't get me wrong

[19:41:12]

wagnerrp:

i could appreciate a small squeezebox, but i dont see the use for that big tower on that page

[19:41:14]

justinh:

I mean why invest in an expensive difficult to configure PC as a frontend if you can buy a $100 easy to use nice looking good performing box to do the same jobs? ;)

[19:41:24]

iamlindoro:

the "u" needs to be really universal and it needs to go one step further in getting a UI from the server

[19:41:40]

justinh:

iamlindoro: .. or just have a UI that doesn't suck donkeys

[19:41:47]

iamlindoro:

If it amounted to the same as a frontend, I'd be all for it

[19:41:51]

justinh:

quack quack oops

[19:42:19]

justinh:

yeah – it's when you see their UI (1) and when you try to use one (2) that you realise the dream was a sham

[19:42:37]

wagnerrp:

for instance, i watch very little livetv, so the upnp player on my ps3 does nearly everything i want it to

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iamlindoro:

when it all amounts to a file frontend... well, might as well settle for XBMC then

[19:42:59]

iamlindoro:

(presuming you can get it to run)

[19:43:12]

justinh:

still can't get it to load here anymore

[19:43:41]

justinh:

no great loss. seen it enough times now :)

[19:44:06]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Yeah, the "U" in "Universal" needs much work...

[19:44:27]

justinh:

nah. Universal means.. there's a universe of differences in everybody's take on the protocol :)

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justinh:

hell, even products from the same company can be a PITA to get to work together. I was at my sister's house on xmas night watching her try to get music served from her windows PC to the xbox 360. how many reboots? lol

[19:46:34]

justinh:

same story as last year then

[19:48:15]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro: The best 'network media player' I've had to date was a Pinnacle ShowCenter 200 iirc... Wasn't quite UPnP, mostly HTTP... Worked great for SD stuff, and could customize the menus (just html). ;-)

[19:48:30]

justinh:

J-e-f-f-A|work: sounds nifty

[19:48:57]

iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A|work: Everyone seems very fond of the PCH

[19:49:18]

iamlindoro:

which will apparently play pretty much every/anything

[19:50:08]

XLV:

or egreat

[19:50:18]

XLV:

http://www.egreathd.com/

[19:50:21]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

justinh: I still have it... I've also got some other HD players... 2x Avel LinkPlayer2's and, and a Buffalo Link Theatre HD... They work with myth, but in simple 'file directory' type browse mode, not very pretty.

[19:50:21]

iamlindoro:

The New Sage HD Extender is apparently also a new standalone media player contender, too

[19:50:54]

XLV:

yeah, if one could add a mythtv frontend on any of those

[19:51:12]

jduggan:

why does everyone want myth on everything :)

[19:51:15]

justinh:

if...

[19:51:22]

justinh:

jduggan: I wonder ;-)

[19:51:27]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro: maybe that's what I'll try to tackle... seeing if I can make the UPnP interface a little more 'mythfronendish'... ;-)

[19:52:02]

XLV:

or if one would provide some nettop pc with atom? maybe a dual atom 330 is enough cpu to play most h264, maybe with nvidia 9400 chipset for dxva compatible content

[19:52:35]

justinh:

because yes, even now with the prospect of VDPAU & everything else most people would still prefer a lower-cost, low-footprint, low-noise, nice-looking box with all the features we love so

[19:52:38]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro: not that it would ever achieve the functionality of a full frontend, but it would be quite awesome if it had a much better presentation...

[19:52:57]

XLV:

i have seen some links about atom 330 being enough to play most h264 only on cpu

[19:53:05]

jduggan:

i've decided to hold tight for my new frontend.... atom with vdpau looks a viable option, but i have the feeling i could be left always waiting for the next big thing..

[19:53:21]

justinh:

XLV: will it come in sub $200 box and look mighty purdy? ;)

[19:53:43]

justinh:

jduggan: you're always gonna be left in that predicament

[19:54:02]

XLV:

justinh, well, since atom 330 mini-itx boards ( with intel 950 chipset ) are selling already at 75 euro here, why not?

[19:54:07]

wagnerrp:

will an atom330 right now (no nvidia chip for acceleration) even decode HD mpeg2?

[19:54:09]

jduggan:

deliver_to is the user_idnr field in the dbmail_users table

[19:54:14]

jduggan:

oops

[19:54:16]

justinh:

wagnerrp: nope

[19:54:27]

jduggan:

justinh: yep, it just a case of finding out when is the right time

[19:54:53]

justinh:

gotta bite the bullet sooner or later. I hummed & hahhed about my current frontend for too long

[19:55:54]

XLV:

http://www.silentpcreview.com/article896-page5.html

[19:56:06]

XLV:

Both 720p and 1080p x264 clips played without difficulty. Slower single core machines are notorious for not being able to handle 1080p x264 clips, even using CoreAVC, so we're happy to report that a dual core Atom system is sufficient for such files.

[19:56:35]

wagnerrp:

as always... what is '1080p h264'

[19:57:00]

XLV:

and a youtube video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6QXaNTgT68

[19:57:02]

iamlindoro:

as always, anyone who is not able to figure out bitrates, encoding options, or even the name of the codec cannot be trusted

[19:57:31]

justinh:

I wouldn't beleive any of that for one second

[19:57:52]

XLV:

http://www.silentpcreview.com/article896-page4.html 1080p is a Rush Hour: Rush Hour 3 Trailer 1 is a 1080p clip encoded in H.264 inside an Apple Quicktime container. 1080p | 24fps | ~10mbps

[19:58:05]

justinh:

show me it playing european broadcast h.264 and I'll start looking seriously

[19:58:17]

wagnerrp:

so apple quicktime, meaning far easier to decode than the standard h264

[19:58:25]

wagnerrp:

the apple encoder is very limited

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iamlindoro:

playing 10 Mbit h.264 isn't any greashakes

[19:58:29]

iamlindoro:

great shakes

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justinh:

XLV: still BS. my frontend really works hard to play BBC HD, but apple HD, even '1080p' apple HD.. it just EATS

[19:58:51]

wagnerrp:

10mbps apple, means ~7mbps anything else

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iamlindoro:

When it's playing 40 Mbit single sliced I'll get all hot and bothered, but until then...

[19:59:19]

wagnerrp:

or 3.5mbps single-sliced

[19:59:24]

XLV:

also there are BIOSes outthere to oc atoms to 2GHz

[19:59:32]

XLV:

with minimal if any increase in heat

[19:59:39]

justinh:

I've always discounted overclocking

[19:59:40]

iamlindoro:

Won't help

[19:59:41]

gbee:

yeah I don't believe it, sorry but have you seen the performance of the single core Atom? You're seriously telling me that a dual core one can do better than 2Ghz Athlon x2? etc

[19:59:55]

wagnerrp:

overclock an atom to 2GHz, meaning it will be comparable to a late model P3

[20:00:06]

justinh:

"but on the videos we downloaded from piratebay.org labelled 'h.264 rip' ... "

[20:00:15]

XLV:

justinh, i just present options, i am not trying to sell anything

[20:00:25]

iamlindoro:

Anyway, there's nothing wrong with atom, but we'll need Viddypow GPUs on them for them to be viable Myth frontends for decent HD material

[20:00:25]

justinh:

it's just aswell I'm not buying

[20:00:38]

justinh:

XLV: problem is, people might be taken in by those 'facts' ;)

[20:00:46]

XLV:

justinh, sure a mod core2duo or athlon x2 would be better, but at what price

[20:00:53]

XLV:

500$ and more

[20:01:06]

gbee:

what I would believe is that they were testing a system with PureVideo ... only Atom+PureVideo boards have only just come off the drawing boards AFAIK

[20:01:18]

justinh:

exactly. gimme a DVD player thin box with all the right hardware to do the job & for less than £200 please

[20:01:29]

iamlindoro:

gbee: not to mention intel strongly resisting thei ever being manufactured

[20:01:33]

justinh:

sold, to the mardy arse in the red shirt

[20:01:40]

XLV:

justinh, well yeah, i want one too ;-)

[20:01:49]

justinh:

sod it, gimme three of the damn things

[20:02:41]

justinh:

you know what'd be better still? if these review sites provided links to the 'files' they used for testing

[20:03:01]

justinh:

that'd help sort the pretenders out

[20:03:01]

iamlindoro:

justinh: or the .torrents they stole them from ;)

[20:03:06]

justinh:

hahaha

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justinh:

or hell, just get somebody to make some test clips & put em up somewhere

[20:03:49]

iamlindoro:

ffmpeg has a number of publicly available ones

[20:04:23]

iamlindoro:

http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/

[20:04:38]

XLV:

well, they tried a 14Mbps x264 1080p file, no links to it

[20:04:39]

gbee:

I'm still holding out for the AMD equivalent to the Atom, if it's as promised then the power requirements should be lower which IMHO is the only point of the Atom in the first place

[20:04:54]

justinh:

blimmin eck!

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XLV:

so it may be able to play most of mkvs out there

[20:05:25]

gbee:

x264? Why does everything get described as x264, like that means something?

[20:05:36]

iamlindoro:

http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/V-codecs/h264/

[20:05:43]

iamlindoro:

Is probably fairly helpful

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justinh:

'mkvs'. lol

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XLV:

yeah, they dont provide encoding options, whch are crucial

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gbee:

first sign that they don't really know what they are talking about

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iamlindoro:

gbee: not to mention a sure sign of where they got them from

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justinh:

look ma! it plays viddies!

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justinh:

10/10

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gbee:

it's encoded into H264 ... using software called x264 ...

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XLV:

at 75 euro i'd try it

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XLV:

maybe it works, maybe not

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gbee:

it's like me calling a DVD a 'Nero'

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justinh:

guy at work quizzed me about 'the AVI codec' on my way out today. I seriously looked round for something to pick up & hit him with

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justinh:

I think he just likes to wind me up

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XLV:

i even have an old dvd deck player thats broken to house it in

[20:08:30]

justinh:

that, and the questions about 'which codec pack' to install. WTF is a codec pack, and why is anybody still using a player which requires one?

[20:09:05]

justinh:

ahh linux, how you freed me from codec hell

[20:09:18]

justinh:

(almost, thanks Ubuntu)

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justinh:

oo ffmpeg have Dirac samples

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XLV:

ffdshow & coreavc dont need anthing more

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XLV:

coreavc is better than ffdshow provided ones

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justinh:

allegedly

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XLV:

no, from my experience too

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gbee:

CoreAVC have a player which handles multiple formats aside from AVC?

[20:11:44]

justinh:

wow. got '1080P' h.264 playing on my 1.6 Ghz C2D laptop which I know for a fact won't play broadcast h.264 from BBCHD

[20:11:58]

justinh:

not just playing. I mean I can watch it

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XLV:

gbee, they dont include a player, but there are many freeware ones

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justinh:

it's such a pity MCE won't work with purevideo :D

[20:14:32]

justinh:

I work with people who own £300 graphics cards who can't play HD on their machines with modern CPUs

[20:14:50]

justinh:

all allegedly 'purevideo' capable

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XLV:

justinh, http://mpc-hc.sourceforge.net/DXVASupport.html

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justinh:

bleugh. 720p 'h.264' SKY HD samples play just fine here too. and they look awfully artifacty

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gbee:

XLV: but the CoreAVC codecs plays back more than AVC? Or are we getting our wires crossed here?

[20:18:56]

XLV:

only h264 and avc

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gbee:

right, ok, then I don't understand what you were saying before

[20:20:07]

gbee:

not that it really matters

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XLV:

gbee, well it was in response to justinh's comments about codec hell in windows, only ffdshow and coreavc is whats needed for most content

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justinh:

XLV: thing is, you know how it goes – these guys won't pay for anything

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** gbee googles ffdshow **

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justinh:

ffmpeg thingies for windows

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gbee:

huh

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justinh:

at least I think it's all nicked out of ffmpeg..

[20:24:09]

justinh:

yeah directshow filter for libavcodec et al

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gbee:

give it another three/four months and you won't even need CoreAVC

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justinh:

just idly wondered if VLC could be skinned. it can. oh dear gawd

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justinh:

aaaaaaaaaaanyway

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justinh:

I need to start tidying my desk

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** gbee looks at the assorted items cluttering his desk, including a bottle opener, rawl plugs, torch, batteries, screwdriver ... **

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gbee:

could be worse, at least I can still see the desk

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justinh:

bah. too comfy on the couch. not to mention warm. not had the radiator on in that room for ages

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mythrookie:

ok xorg setup done

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mythrookie:

i have quite a black border on tv around the x

[20:41:23]

mythrookie:

any ideas on fixing that?

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** iamlindoro blinks at "h.264 and AVC" **

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iamlindoro:

(as they are the same thing)

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iamlindoro:

Two certifying bodies, same codec

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mythrookie:

it is called overscan

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iamlindoro:

mythrookie: well in your case it's actually underscanning, but the solution is the same, refer to your video driver documentation to solve

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iamlindoro:

If you're underscanning you actually want to set it to overscan by a bit

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mythrookie:

thats what i needed to know buzzwords :D

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iamlindoro:

overscan is easier to colve in myth as you can adjust the GUI size to match

[20:49:47]

iamlindoro:

er solve

[20:50:02]

iamlindoro:

but underscan needs to be solved with your video driver settings

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mythrookie:

have to do it in xorg.conf

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iamlindoro:

probably (or possibly in your driver's -settings program

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iamlindoro:

)

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mythrookie:

'Option "TVOverScan" "0.5"'

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mythrookie:

what ever the number means

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iamlindoro:

percent, most likely

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troldrik:

So uh.. is 180.22 more stable than the betas?

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iamlindoro:

troldrik: Probably more stable as a driver, but VDPAU as a feature is still alpha

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iamlindoro:

ie it's a stable driver, but VDPAU should not be construed as such

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troldrik:

fun.

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mythrookie:

no effect

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iamlindoro:

mythrookie: what did you adjust it to?

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mythrookie:

0.5 0.2 0.7

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iamlindoro:

mythrookie: Those are relatively teensy amounts

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iamlindoro:

If it's percent, you are going to want to try real whole numbers

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khunt:

how do i correct overscan in windows there was a setting in the nvidia control panel is there something similar?

[20:55:55]

iamlindoro:

ie 5.0

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iamlindoro:

mythrookie: as it is you're chaning by tenths of a percnt

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iamlindoro:

mythrookie: also, just to be clear, what output from the card are you using?

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mythrookie:

iam using it on the device

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gbee:

khunt: you can try nvidia-settings

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iamlindoro:

on what device? I'm asking which output you are using

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iamlindoro:

ie s-video, hdmi, etc.

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mythrookie:

composite

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gbee:

however nvidia aren't as good on this issue as ATi in their linux drivers and control app

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iamlindoro:

okay, then overscan should be settable-- gbee is correct, though, you may also want to try nvidia-settings frst

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mythrookie:

well the nvidia-settings thing doesnt wokr on my sys

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gbee:

I was talking to khunt

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iamlindoro:

but that value, like I said, is likely by percent, so changing from .2 to .7 is a half a percent, probably nearly imperceptible.

[20:58:43]

gbee:

just happens that you are both looking at the same problem at the same time

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mythrookie:

ok i tried 20

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mythrookie:

no change :/

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iamlindoro:

mythrookie: It may be worth trying a reboot

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iamlindoro:

otherwise you'll need to read the nvidia drive documentation

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iamlindoro:

driver

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gbee:

khunt: you can reduce the size of the mythtv window if you can't reduce overscan, if the problem is underscan then obviously that won't work

[21:00:13]

meshe:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/339788

[21:00:25]

meshe:

"use the slider in nvidia-settings. TVOverScan is deprecated. "

[21:00:39]

iamlindoro:

meshe: nice, good find

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** iamlindoro solves this problem by not using anything with overscan ;) **

[21:01:24]

Ryushin:

Are there any known issues with mythweb when trying to view your recorded programs and you have 40+ days worth of shows? I figure I probably have 800 or so shows recorded.

[21:01:46]

iamlindoro:

Ryushin: Just that it's likely to take some time to build all the previews, etc.

[21:01:47]

Ryushin:

It no longer displays the shows when I click on the Recorded Programs link.

[21:01:53]

gbee:

or you just buy a decent TV, or use HDMI/DVI instead of VGA

[21:01:59]

iamlindoro:

Ryushin: you may need to wait a lonnnnnnnggggg time

[21:02:21]

Ryushin:

Well, even leaving the browser alone for an hour it still doesn't come up.

[21:02:45]

iamlindoro:

you could check your apache error log, and see if the backend is doing anything

[21:02:47]

Ryushin:

Maybe I should talk with xris about adding a number of records to display or something to that affect.

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mythrookie:

reboot

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mythrookie:

thanks meshe

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meshe:

welcome mythrookie

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mythrookie:

is nvidia-settings an x tool ?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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justinh:

Ryushin: something there rings a bell. maybe something to do with max memory usage in php...

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mythrookie:

thaaaaaaaaaaats why it doesnt start -.-

[21:04:50]

Ryushin:

justinh: Okay, I'll dig through that.

[21:04:55]

meshe:

hehe

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Ryushin:

Okay, I doubled it from 128 to 256

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Ryushin:

Is there a way to make it rebuild all the images? Should I just delete all of them and then do a refresh?

[21:08:48]

iamlindoro:

yep

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Ryushin:

Does it have issues with multiple recording directories?

[21:10:37]

iamlindoro:

nope, shouldn't

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brayton:

ok, i have an hvr-1800. Scanned for qam channels, found several. Ran the database update afterward. When i try to watch in the front end i get the catch-all error "Error occurred during video playback.". any ideas?

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iamlindoro:

brayton: You need to check your logs, both frontend and backend

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iamlindoro:

frontend logs can be had by running "mythfrontend" from the terminal and looking at the output... backend log will be set by you or your init script, possibly in /var/log/mythtv somewhere

[21:19:36]

brayton:

http://pastebin.com/m346a646 front end

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iamlindoro:

backend would be the first place to check, though

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brayton:

edited it to add the backend log

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iamlindoro:

when you change a pastebin the URL changes

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brayton:

nm it changed http://pastebin.com/m6272ea14

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iamlindoro:

tal isn't enough

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iamlindoro:

er tail

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iamlindoro:

need a few hundred lines

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iamlindoro:

I would guess you have permissions issues

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jduggan:

sooooo, did anyone watch that dead set

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jduggan:

i still have it in my list of things to watch

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brayton:

ok one sec

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mythrookie:

oh god this nvidiasettings is AWESOME

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meshe:

lol

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brayton:

ok the entire mythbackend log http://pastebin.com/m2496dccb

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iamlindoro:

brayton: looks like you didn't complete mythtv-setup successfully (did you try to set up both sides of the card?)

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mythrookie:

so what slide am iam looking for ?

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iamlindoro:

brayton: please don't PM

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brayton:

my appologies

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iamlindoro:

anyway, that channel setting output does not appear correct, it's setting a non-QAM channel name/number on a QAM source

[21:29:42]

iamlindoro:

I would say something went wrong on your channel scan

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brayton:

hmm ive scanned at least 4 times now

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iamlindoro:

you want to set up that card as DVB card type, and do a scan with modulation QAM-256 and cable. You also want to make sure you have a single, fresh channel lineup

[21:30:41]

hadees:

iamlindoro, last night you said mythvodka was poorly done and a big part was using mencoder, i'm not disagreeing with you and since i have trunk right now i can't even try it but i'm kind of curious in knowing what you think an app like that should use.

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iamlindoro:

so I would remove your existing video inputs (which are essentially maps to channel lineups) and start with a fresh one, then channel scan with correct settings

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iamlindoro:

hadees: *if* anything needs to be done to play the files (which it probably doesn't) then the internal player should be adapted to play whatever is downloaded instead

[21:32:21]

iamlindoro:

hadees: ie myth will happily play flvs with h.264 right now so no idea why they're transcoding

[21:32:42]

brayton:

ok

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iamlindoro:

hadees: also, it shouldn't be a seperate plugin, it should be added to MythTube which is much further along

[21:33:51]

hadees:

iamlindoro, yeah i thought mythtube was already working this stuff too

[21:34:07]

mythrookie:

the TVOverscan scale is missin

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sphery:

brayton: between failed channel scans, might want to do the video sources part of: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

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iamlindoro:

hadees: not currently, we've been woking on other stuff, but it could be added with less work than creating a whole new plugin just for that one thing

[21:34:56]

hadees:

iamlindoro, you are working on mythtube?

[21:35:05]

iamlindoro:

hadees: Have been, but not much lately

[21:35:32]

hadees:

does mythtube stream or actually download the files?

[21:35:36]

iamlindoro:

would be *easy* to follow its lead and add a Hulu "channel" to it

[21:35:39]

iamlindoro:

hadees: downloads

[21:37:07]

hadees:

an the Hulu channel would also just download the files first then play them?

[21:37:29]

iamlindoro:

yes (at least until the internal player gets proper streaming support someday)

[21:37:58]

iamlindoro:

The structure already exists to allow streaming in mythtube, but the internal player would need some tweaking for it

[21:39:59]

hadees:

i've actually used the internal player to kind of stream although i know it isn't the same, i downloaded the file first and start playing before it finishes

[21:40:25]

hadees:

works well enough although the time stuff is screwed up

[21:40:28]

iamlindoro:

all MythTube needs is for an external channel script to have a -S "Somephrase" search option and a -M option to return a download link. Sounds like the MythVodka stuff could be adapted to that format easily

[21:40:31]

justinh:

that's basically all streaming is

[21:40:34]

iamlindoro:

hadees: right, that's not streaming

[21:40:50]

iamlindoro:

or, at least, not in the sense that mythtube needs it

[21:40:55]

justinh:

wth is mythvodka? I thought somebody was taking the mick

[21:41:08]

iamlindoro:

justinh: A stupid stupid name for a hulu download script

[21:41:21]

iamlindoro:

and iplayer

[21:41:22]

gbee:

MythVodka? I'd be pretty disappointed if it wasn't a plugin which dispensed vodka

[21:41:24]

justinh:

as I just discovered

[21:41:44]

** justinh compiles MythJD.. **

[21:41:54]

justinh:

MythJuski(theme)Deleter

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iamlindoro:

Plus, if it's turned into a nice simple mythtube script we could stop saying "Mythvodka"

[21:42:06]

** meshe starts coding a "pour me a shot" button on her remote **

[21:44:20]

poodyp:

hmm, all you'd need is an electric solenoid connected to a serial port and a conveyor belt with a bunch of shot glasses on it

[21:45:12]

judazz:

Hi, I've been searching the dvb-linux list for any info about DVB-C *firewire* tuners, but it seems the latest info/questions/development stopped back in 2006.

[21:45:29]

** iamlindoro sighs **

[21:45:35]

judazz:

I'm pretty desperate, and willing to go into "testing"/"unstable" if thats possible...

[21:45:45]

gbee:

I wouldn't be impressed unless I could stream the vodka .... and not _after_ I'd drunk it

[21:45:50]

hadees:

i might take a crack at the hulu script for mythtube, i love me some screen scraping

[21:45:58]

iamlindoro:

judazz: we don't do drivers, though

[21:46:06]

iamlindoro:

judazz: they do in #linuxtv

[21:46:13]

brayton:

hmm if it thinks there should be a grabber and i dont have one, could that cause this?

[21:46:14]

judazz:

ah, thanks

[21:46:26]

iamlindoro:

I'm only aware of one firewire DVB device, period, though and that's the firedtv (sp?)

[21:46:49]

poodyp:

gbee: just attack a rubber tube to the vodka bottle

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poodyp:

s/attack/attach

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judazz:

iamlindoro, yes, I've read about that, but not really sure it is supported (although it has been around for quite some years) – will check #linuxtv

[21:47:52]

iamlindoro:

and I don't think that's DVB-C

[21:47:52]

iamlindoro:

so AFAIK there aren't any (at least not with any linux support)

[21:48:18]

judazz:

too bad

[21:48:30]

judazz:

well, a PCIe1x would do

[21:48:51]

judazz:

(I don't have enough standard PCI slots on my MB)

[21:49:01]

iamlindoro:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-C_PCIe_Cards

[21:49:04]

iamlindoro:

None of those either

[21:49:15]

iamlindoro:

(and no, the FireDTV DVB-C version isn't supported)

[21:49:47]

iamlindoro:

You could wait a month or so for the new HDHomeRun DVB version which does DVB-C, but no CI if you need that

[21:50:18]

judazz:

cool

[21:50:45]

judazz:

don't need a CI – have a USB card reader that is supposed to work (here in Norway anyway)

[21:52:33]

iamlindoro:

Hmm, didn't think there were any linux-xupported USB CI slots

[21:52:40]

iamlindoro:

er supported

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gbee:

ugh, mysql hung, recordings failed, not good

[21:54:29]

iamlindoro:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythTV_STBs

[21:54:32]

iamlindoro:

Heh, never noticed that page

[21:55:27]

judazz:

A USB card reader available in Norway is one provided by the national betting company, using pcscd.

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judazz:

the name might be " CardMan 3021"

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wylie_:

there is also that spin-off in florida — can't remember the name

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iamlindoro:

wylie_: monolith? Dragon?

[21:57:46]

iamlindoro:

Fiiire

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iamlindoro:

et cetera

[21:58:30]

iamlindoro:

Looks like Fiire is here in the SF Bay

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iamlindoro:

no idea about monolith, can't find non-email contact info

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brayton:

iamlindoro: Still no go. Deleted to capture cards, remade the dvb one, it found my tuner, used default settings. Then deleted all the video sources and made a new one called input 1 (no grabber), then went to input connections and assinged input 1 to dvb and scanned for channels. (switched bdcast to cable, and terristrial to qam 256) found several channels. saved, populated DB, went to front end and got the same error.

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brayton:

want new logs?

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iamlindoro:

brayton: sorry, am in a training so need to pass you off to someone else

[22:01:16]

brayton:

ok

[22:05:10]

wylie_:

iamlindoro: walked away for a minute — no, i think it was yet another.... thinking on it. i'll remember

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wylie_:

the one in florida looked good (from a marketing perspective), fairly sure it was crap... but they had some interesting devices paired in — and had more focus on the overall home automation bit

[22:06:32]

wylie_:

still thinking on name

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iamlindoro:

wylie_: and it wasn't fiire?

[22:06:43]

iamlindoro:

They're the most polished I know

[22:06:52]

wylie_:

no, definitely wasn't fiire

[22:06:56]

iamlindoro:

http://www.fiire.com/

[22:07:01]

iamlindoro:

hmm, ok

[22:07:27]

wylie_:

it was a space-oriented name..... it will come to me

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iamlindoro:

wylie_: wait, you don't mean plutohome?

[22:09:10]

wylie_:

ya, that was it

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iamlindoro:

wylie_: they're gone, LinuxMCE took up their software

[22:10:06]

iamlindoro:

Think their site is still around though

[22:10:09]

wylie_:

yup, http://plutohome.com/index.php?

[22:10:18]

wylie_:

but makes sense they are defunct

[22:10:50]

iamlindoro:

Think they primarily sold services, accessories, and support, don't think they ever got anywhere with it

[22:11:16]

iamlindoro:

LinuxMCe is more or less the same thing, though

[22:11:27]

iamlindoro:

I Thikn LMCE is *still* on Myth .20

[22:11:32]

iamlindoro:

think

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iamlindoro:

well, .20.2 anyway

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wylie_:

yep, that sounds about right. i didn't realize linuxmce took pluto. i'd hate to be one of those suckers that bought into the pluto promise

[22:12:06]

iamlindoro:

Wonder if they'll get to .21 by the time .22 is out ;)

[22:12:11]

wylie_:

unlikely

[22:12:12]

wylie_:

:)

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mythrookie:

where would i find my nividia documentation

[22:12:36]

iamlindoro:

At this point they ought to just forgo it and go to .22 when/if they have a new release

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mythrookie:

TVOverScan does not wort at all

[22:14:25]

iamlindoro:

Oof, LinuxMCE just put out an alpha, presumably with .21

[22:17:12]

iamlindoro:

Haha, guy on the list wants to know if the HP Geode Thin client can play HD mterial

[22:19:54]

wylie_:

no chance

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iamlindoro:

So I said

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javatexan:

do you want to hear a funny but sad cable co story....I called today to find out why Tom and Jerry cartoons from 1965 have the copy protection CCI set

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javatexan:

the cable guy says "that channel is not copy protected"

[22:25:04]

javatexan:

I said well most shows on the channel are not but this one is.

[22:25:38]

javatexan:

I said can you filter the stream to make sure that the CCI byte is set to 0

[22:25:52]

javatexan:

answer: we don't know how to do that.....

[22:27:45]

javatexan:

so I am thinking of a new feature for mythtv...the my cable co is too stupid to know how to rebroadcast their feeds correctly feature.....what do ya think?

[22:29:58]

javatexan:

LOL

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javatexan:

thats what happens when a business person starts a technical company....

[22:31:43]

brayton:

ok i found the issue

[22:32:01]

brayton:

apparently trying to tune channel 1008 crashes myth

[22:32:14]

brayton:

when i set it to default on another it was fine

[22:32:29]

brayton:

how can i remove just this one channel from the list?

[22:32:40]

iamlindoro:

channel editor in mythtv-setup

[22:35:44]

brayton:

Can i change channel names and not break them?

[22:36:15]

brayton:

via channel editor that is

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brayton:

It wont let me just delete one channel, it only lets me delete all or the input one channels. Can select it individually for deletion.

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khunt:

my remote does not work in myth nor in irw but it does in irw...

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khunt:

sorry not in irrecord

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iamlindoro:

brayton: you can delete a single channel

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iamlindoro:

brayton: highlight a channel and try pressing D

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wylie_:

brayton: you can also do some channel editing with mythweb — but you also have more opportunity to mess things up

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brayton:

ok ty

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khunt:

can someone point me in the right direction to setting up my remote

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

khunt: if it works with irw, there is no reason to use irrecord.

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

khunt: if running irw, then pressing remote buttons, produces a line for each button you press, then you just have to create a .lircrc file in your myth user's directory that maps the remote button names to myth keypresses.

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iamlindoro:

Or if you're running ubuntu or mythbuntu, apt-get install mythbuntu-lirc-generator

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iamlindoro:

then run it and it'll do all the lircrc stuff for you

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

^^ooh neato. ;-)

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A|work: Fairly certain it's just a script, you could likely pull it from the deb and use it anywhere you like

[22:59:58]

meshe:

nice, i was wondering how mythbuntu did that

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iamlindoro:

yeah, more or less takes the lircd.conf, finds common button names/numbers and assigns keypresses in myth, mplyare, vlc, and I think maybe xine as well

[23:01:34]

iamlindoro:

gah, mplayer

[23:01:46]

iamlindoro:

This laptop is killing me

[23:01:58]

meshe:

sadly vlc is broken, so the latest mythbuntu configs don't work out of the box for it

[23:02:22]

sid3windr:

woah

[23:02:34]

sid3windr:

mythweb speaks dutch to me on this laptop

[23:04:36]

brayton:

thank you all for your help guys!

[23:04:37]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro: good info to know... ;-)

[23:06:24]

** J-e-f-f-A|work thinks its time to go home for the weekend... ;-) Varoommm..... **

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test1_:

Hello, I need help with freebox tv channels in myth .. someone having that ?? please help (with script)

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khunt:

J-e-f-f-A|work, it works in irrecord but not irw

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test1_:

freebox ? someone ??

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iamlindoro:

test1_: I just don't think we have too many french users in the channel usually-- I think there is a french myth forum at www.mythtvtalk.com

[23:29:37]

iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=9

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test1_:

bon..merci :)

[23:29:49]

iamlindoro:

du rien

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iamlindoro:

s/du/de/

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test1_:

de

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iamlindoro:

Fixed it before you ;)

[23:31:02]

test1_:

... well .. i learned how to fix.. ;)

[23:31:30]

iamlindoro:

s/ = search and replace first thing with second thing

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test1_:

last link is the good one ty

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iamlindoro:

np

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test1_:

but.. you talking french aren't u interested in theese channels ?

[23:33:11]

test1_:

s/u/_/

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iamlindoro:

je ne connais bien les mots informatiques en francais, alors...

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directhex:

you missed the second part of your negative

[23:34:49]

iamlindoro:

you missed the second part of suckin' it ;)

[23:35:02]

directhex:

like english, a negative is like a sandwich in french

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test1_:

iamlindoro: well u can read this.. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/FreeBox all in english .. but too hard 4 me

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iamlindoro:

directhex: Don't need basic french lessons, I *did* live there, I'm merely as illiterate in that language as I am in my own

[23:36:17]

test1_:

(script is in ticket link)

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sid3windr:

=)

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iamlindoro:

test1_: I am a bit busy with work currently, I think you should post in the forum and get some help from people who may have done it

[23:38:04]

test1_:

if anyone can make it run .. i teach french 4 free ..lol

[23:38:19]

test1_:

np iamlindo i fully understand that :)))

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test1_:

it can take days ...

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test1_:

(or some seconds.. for others)

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test1_:

...

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test1_:

life

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lyricnz:

seen sevi*?

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lyricnz:

oops, wrong channel :)

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mythrookie:

i will keep underscan :(

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mythrookie:

guess my drivers are shit

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meshe:

what card?

[23:48:42]

mythrookie:

Nvidia V7100 MX2

[23:48:49]

mythrookie:

lates beta driver

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mythrookie:

(the only one which compiles)

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mythrookie:

2.6.28

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mythrookie:

Has no Overscan scales

[23:49:30]

mythrookie:

xvidtune does not work

[23:50:19]

** justinh hands mythrookie a $25 nvidia fx5200 or so. whoops not PCI. damn :) **

[23:50:51]

mythrookie:

iam already looking for a fx5200 AGP x8

[23:50:56]

mythrookie:

128 MB

[23:51:02]

mythrookie:

about 20 Euros

[23:51:21]

mythrookie:

next few weeks

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meshe:

my 6200 fills the screen almost perfectly

[23:52:06]

meshe:

picked it up for $99 4 years ago

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justinh:

you almost never get that on PAL or NTSC tv outputs

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iamlindoro:

time to dump the last-century TV

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justinh:

invariably you have to adjust the overscan to leave no black borders, which inevitably cuts off visible screen area

[23:53:19]

meshe:

yeah, i have X displaying on the tv out of the prv-350 on my parents myth box and it has underscan issues

[23:53:29]

justinh:

iamlindoro: or stick with a lovely bright (if fuzzy) CRT with plenty of years left in it :)

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iamlindoro:

justinh: bah!

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justinh:

oh look at those black levels. nice :)

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justinh:

I'll be assimilated one day, don't you worry :D

[23:54:18]

iamlindoro:

I have nice black levels and 6 x the pixels ;)

[23:54:41]

iamlindoro:

But way to "SD FTW"

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meshe:

is there any point going to HD?

[23:55:46]

iamlindoro:

Besides accurate representation of colors and sharper, clearer, smoother picture? Nope.

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gbee:

meshe: if you aren't bowled over by how stunning nature docs etc look in HD, then I'd say no

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meshe:

i get my SD cable including movie channels for free, I'd have to pay for HD, plus the HD box, plus the HD TV... I'm good with SD

[23:56:52]

gbee:

there isn't a compelling reason if you can't appreciate the difference, which some people can't

[23:57:21]

iamlindoro:

If I wanted to watch an SD picture I'd just smear vaseline in my eyes

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meshe:

oh, i can see the difference and appreciate it, but it's not worth the $$'s right now, my home theatre equipment is in good condition

[23:58:17]

justinh:

I can't get any HD without resorting to paying or illegal downloading anyway, so there's my argument in one sentence :)

[23:58:29]

directhex:

HD games consoles! :<

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meshe:

well, the TV is starting to look like someones held a magnet to it, so an LCD upgrade may be coming soon

[23:58:45]

gbee:

I wouldn't, and don't pay, for HD

[23:59:14]

iamlindoro:

There's always buy->decrypt->MythVideo

[23:59:23]

justinh:

paying!

[23:59:24]

justinh:

:(

[23:59:26]

iamlindoro:

Which, admittedly, is paying, but still

[23:59:41]

gbee:

but I'm not really convinced by the idea of paying for any TV aside from what goes towards the license fee (because I do appreciate the BBC)

[23:59:43]

iamlindoro:

justinh: "free"sat?

[23:59:47]

justinh:

there's always freesat but I need to clear a line of sight for a dish

[23:59:55]

meshe:

i cancelled all of my cable services a year and a half ago, funny that my capture card still records shows

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