Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, January 8th, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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sphery:

yalu: you need to remove the listings and then re-run mythfilldatabase

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sphery:

mnemonic76: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Playback_profiles

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mnemonic76:

sphery: thanks!

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sphery:

yalu: the right way to remove the listings is to "Delete all video sources" and then re-create video sources and re-connect them to your inputs

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sphery:

yalu: a hack (that leaves some garbage--at least temporarily) is TRUNCATE TABLE program;

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sphery:

mnemonic76: what video card/driver\s do you have

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sphery:

chances are you want the (default configuration of) Slim playback profile group

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mnemonic76:

Looks like Intel 82810E DC-133 (CGC)

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iamlindoro:

A totally awesome Matrox card on this SWEET 386 SX

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sphery:

heh\

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sphery:

mnemonic76: try Slim profile group

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mnemonic76:

Ok, do I need to reboot or is that change effective immediately from the frontend?

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jarle:

I notice that the default High/low/medium transcode to mpeg4 profiles are identical, anybody have usable settings for the different quality levels?

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iamlindoro:

Most of us are of a mind that transcoding is useless

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sphery:

can't decide between the laptop that's exactly what I want except the screen is 15.4" 1680x1050 (versus 15.4" 1920x1080) or the one that's a 17" 1920x1080 and with a small (6-cell) battery (and much more expensive)

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mzb_d800:

jarle: I use high == lossless, medium=3000Kb mp4, low=1500Kb mp4

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directhex:

sphery, what do you see as a laptop's main job?

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mnemonic76:

I changed to "Slim" and still doesn't work. Unless I need to restart the frontend or reboot or something.

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** academy hits his head against his desk ... self organising maps sounded like such a good idea... **

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sphery:

directhex: playing back MythTV recordings while I'm on the road :)

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mzb_d800:

mnemonic76: worked out what graphics card+driver you're using?

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jarle:

mzb_d800: so you only change the bitrate of the video between the different qualities?

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directhex:

sphery, do you want portability & battery life, or 1080p?

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sphery:

mnemonic76: should work without restart, but if something that attempting playback with a different profile did to the video card corrupted its state, an X restart might be required

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mzb_d800:

jarle: that's not exactly what I said, but certainly for low and medium.

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mzb_d800:

oh ... medium+low are also resized

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mzb_d800:

512x384(?) or similar

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mnemonic76:

http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/f2bece54f line 448

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sphery:

directhex: yes :)... I do have to run through a lot of airports, but the 15.4" is listed as 5.84lbs with 6-cell battery (and I'd upgrade to the 12-cell) while the 17" is listed as 6.25lbs. I don't use battery that much, but it would be nice for some long flights.

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mzb_d800:

mnemonic76: so the answer to that question was "intel" ... good luck

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directhex:

sphery, do you pay for high-end-enough seats to have space top open up a 17" properly?

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sphery:

yes, I know nothing of Intel graphics

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sphery:

directhex: I don't.... That's a very good point.

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sphery:

you may have just decided for me

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directhex:

sphery, my laptop has a 13" screen, and that's large for my needs :x

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sphery:

I just wish 15.4" WUXGA screens weren't so uncommon, now.

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mnemonic76:

Ok, well I thought a frontend could be made from a lower-end machine... I guess maybe this is too low?

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mzb_d800:

mnemonic76: coppermine 66MHz with intel graphics ... have fun with that.

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mzb_d800:

too low without a decent graphics chipset (with hardware acceleration, for example)

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dustybin:

echo "235223MYTHTV42RULEZ245235" | egrep --color '[A-Z]+'

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academy:

66mhz? My epia 600mhz was too slow for a frontend...

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mzb_d800:

fsb

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academy:

ahh

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mzb_d800:

see his pastebin

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academy:

mzb_d800: I thought intel supported xvmc...

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mzb_d800:

don't ask me :) .. I've stuck with nv and openchrome

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mzb_d800:

slowest FE I now run is a P3–866 with an mx440 (possible mx420)

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mzb_d800:

(if you count an M10K as faster;)

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sphery:

my slowest frontend is an Athlon X2 6000+... slowest one on a system I maintain is an Athlon X2 4800+.

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academy:

mnemonic76: Are you using XvMC?

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mnemonic76:

I don't know.

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mnemonic76:

I installed from the MythBuntu 8.10 alternate cdrom.

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mnemonic76:

Don't recall that..

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mzb_d800:

yeah, I'm still in SD-land until a) real HD on FTA, and b) WAF+ for $$$

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academy:

mnemonic76: I've never done it, but read this page in it's entirety. If you can get xvmc (hw acceleration) working it may be ok.

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academy:

mnemonic76: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC

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mnemonic76:

Academy: thanks!

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sphery:

mnemonic76: with Slim you won't use XvMC. You'd probably need CPU-- with that system, if making that system work is even possible.

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mnemonic76:

Ok. I will let you know.

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academy:

Can anyone suggest some tweaks to improve the menu/osd performance of an epia 600mhz? Video's perfect but things like the program guide are just that little bit too slow.

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academy:

channel icons are aleady mounted via nfs.

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academy:

It's running off a usb stick, so is it worth moving all the textures for mythfrontend into tmpfs?

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academy:

svn build from source with --enable-proc-opt

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mzb_d800:

academy: how about a lower res for mythtv?

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mzb_d800:

err... did you build with "--xvmc-lib=chromeXvMC" ?

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mzb_d800:

(guessing that wouldn't make a diff with programme guide)

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academy:

mzb_d800: yeah, I build with the xvmc lib, although as I say the video's perfect. I could try the res although I suspect it's more to do with the speed of the usb stick.

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academy:

channel icons/mysql comes over ethernet

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mzb_d800:

what's the raw read speed of the usb stick?

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mzb_d800:

(measured)

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academy:

mzb_d800: the box isn't on now so I can't check. I might do some research into getting the opengl theme painter working without crashing. 600mhz probably isn't enough for the qt painter.

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mchou:

academy: seriously, upgrade

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mchou:

academy: they're blowing out AM2's right now. just got back from frys with X3 8450 and mobo & 4gb of RAM for ~$100

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academy:

mchou: it's a spare frontend I'd like to throw in the back room. It's not important enough to buy anything.

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mchou:

academy: yeah, understood

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mchou:

but your time tweaking it may be worth more than $100 :)

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academy:

maybe

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mchou:

academy: you make the call. EPIA is a PITA anyways

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academy:

What would you all recommend as a frontend to mount behind an lcd tv? I'm looking at the AppleTV atm.

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mchou:

academy: even if everything worked smoothly

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academy:

runs linux quite easily

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mchou:

yes. a "special kernel"

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mchou:

not the standard i586 kernel

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academy:

Sort of ... it's like a loader kernel.

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mchou:

just that itself is worth $100 (to me)

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directhex:

ikonia, you about?

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academy:

mchou: Oh, are you talking about epia or appletv now?

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mchou:

academy: epia

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academy:

mchou: mine runs a normal kernel.

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mchou:

academy: 600mHz proc from VIA, right?

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academy:

mchou: yes

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academy:

mchou: It's just the kernel included with ubuntu. Can't remeber the version offhand.

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mchou:

I thought those dont run plain vanilla precompiled i586 kernels

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mchou:

some funky math emulation or some such thing

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academy:

dunno; works fine for me

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mchou:

you sure you're not running i386 kernel? :)

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directhex:

hm, damnit.

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mnemonic76:

Ok, I copied an .mpg file (from the recordings dir on the backend) to a usb stick, and it wount play on the frontend with mplayer or vlc... how do I troubleshoot that>

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academy:

mchou: maybe ... it's been a while since I looked.

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academy:

mnemonic76: try it elsewhere

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mnemonic76:

it runs on the backend (which is also my desktop pc) should I try it on the wife's vista laptop?

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mchou:

mnemonic76: maybe the usb stick file system is hosed?

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academy:

mnemonic76: i can't really help. Just read the errors from mplayer to figure out why.

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mnemonic76:

k

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academy:

mzb_d800: you mentined earlier you had an M10k. Do you use the opengl painter?

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dustybin:

my backend log contains a lot of these:

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dustybin:

2009-01–08 00:54:19.601 ERROR when trying to delete file: /GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/private/1001_20081217160607.mpg. File doesn't exist. Database metadata will not be removed.

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dustybin:

what does that mean?

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dustybin:

happens on _lots_ of different .mpg files

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sphery:

that something else (not Myth) deleted your files, so Myth can't autoexpire them or you don't have the filesystem on which they exist mounted

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** iamlindoro_ is sad we are now translating the plain-english error messages **

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Sedorox:

has anyone has 2.6.28 fail them with PVR-150's?

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dustybin:

sphery: i havent done anything different with my recordings partition, i dont touch it at all

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at0m|c:

if

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sphery:

dustybin: something/someone id

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sphery:

did

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dustybin:

sphery: do i need to run a orphans script?

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dustybin:

there are tons of errors on lots of different mpgs

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sphery:

from the name, it looks like a LiveTV show... If it's the dummy stream, it's probably no big deal (and when the real recording was deleted, the metadata was)

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sphery:

I'd say go into Watch Recordings, then change the filter to show LiveTV, then go through the LiveTV recordings to see if any don't exist (and look for one around 16:06 on Dec 17)

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sphery:

you can always delete shows from the frontend--even if metadata is missing

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dustybin:

aye ok

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dustybin:

i can see them and they wont play

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sphery:

try to delete them

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sphery:

may have to use the I (or M?) menu

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sphery:

(pretty sure it's I, though)

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iamlindoro_:

M then, I now

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iamlindoro_:

which is to saw M .21, I .22

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iamlindoro_:

er to say

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iamlindoro_:

(I Think?)

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sphery:

It's the Action popup, which is I in 0.21

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sphery:

don't know about trunk

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dustybin:

VNC can be handy at times, ive never used it before, but when you got a laptop on your lap and you need to use other keys apart from your remote, its easy just to vnc in

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iamlindoro_:

Your mom's an action popup

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dustybin:

:(

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sphery:

heh

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iamlindoro_:

sphery, Told you, I already used up my "rightness" for the day

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sphery:

well, I didn't explain what I meant by menu--technically, the menu is M, but...

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sphery:

where is = "in -fixes"

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Bak3r:

hi got one qustion is there any repository for installing mythtv using yast?

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dustybin:

sphery: im in the 'delete recordings' menu, ive changed the filter to 'live tv' then ive selected 'add this group to the playlist' the list turned green, how do i delete everything?

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sphery:

dustybin: m, then playlist options, then delete

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dustybin:

aye thanks

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sphery:

don't know how well that works with missing files, though

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kormoc:

sacrifice a goat or two...

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sphery:

at least a chicken

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iamlindoro_:

Pedro Serrano?

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sphery:

Major League?

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sphery:

impressed you knew the name

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dustybin:

this film it totally ace: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0283003/

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sphery:

(just found out he was played by Dennis Haysbert)

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iamlindoro_:

sphery, indeed he was, he totally improved his gigs after that :)

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sphery:

yeah--though I really liked his character

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sphery:

he just wasn't top billing on that one

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dustybin:

a nice way to check ones backend: egrep --colour 'error|ERROR' /var/log/mythbackend.log

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iamlindoro_:

He was one of the funniest though

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** kormoc blinks **

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dustybin:

my poor mythtv is sick

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Solaris444:

what's wrong with it dustybin?

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dustybin:

it seems to be ok now, i deleted the live tv footage manually

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dustybin:

actually, i think its because i replaced my database with a previous backup version not long ago

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dustybin:

so the recordings had already been deleted

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dustybin:

but poor mythtv didnt realise it :P

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test1:

hi all . anyone here got a virtual freebox ? (to receive freetv channels in myth using vlc, -without the freebox-)

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test1:

? if yes please help me with the script to open vlc ..

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test1:

(i'm talking of that : http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/ . . . ebox.readme)

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Solaris444:

sorry, don't have one test1

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test1:

:)

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test1:

iamlindoro_: hi :) don't wana practice french ... and by the way help me installing theese channels ? ^

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test1:

(http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/FreeBox)

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wagnerrp:

test1: seems there is no need for VLC, you just have mythtv use the rstp streams directly

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RobertLaptop:

Anyone around who can help with myth-web I am getting "Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 33554432" even though I have updated php.ini to be higher then 32M yet it keeps reporting the same size anyone know know were that setting is to increase?

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test1:

really?

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wagnerrp:

RobertLaptop: have you restarted apache?

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RobertLaptop:

wagnerrp I have rebooted the box just in case.

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wagnerrp:

test1: yes, that page you linked to specifically says that mythtv has been able to receive those streams since IPTV support was added in 0.20

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wagnerrp:

in the first paragraph in fact

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test1:

wagnerrp: i'll try but i'm not so sure .. actually i'm in the complex case >i' ve no freebox & want to simulate it

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mnemonic76:

Thanks for the help guys... probably just build a better pc. Micro or Pico ITX ;) Laters

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bsdfox:

anyone know how I can add aac audio support to mythtv/mythvideo? I figured it'd be a ./configure option but I can't find it

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wagnerrp:

i had assumed it was a default setting

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iamlindoro_:

--enable-libfaad

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iamlindoro_:

Presuming you mean the decoder

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wagnerrp:

mine supports it just fine without any special flags

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RobertLaptop:

found it. mythweb.conf.apache defines a memory limit separte from the standard php file

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bsdfox:

hmm

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test1:

wagnerrp: rstp streams in myth ? where is it ?please

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bsdfox:

iamlindoro: that's for mythtv right?

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wagnerrp:

test1: its a type of 'input card'

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bsdfox:

not listed in ./configure --help but I'll try it

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wagnerrp:

you create it in mythtv-setup

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iamlindoro_:

bsdfox, yes, for myth. What else would I mean?

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iamlindoro_:

you need the libfaad dev packages installed, of course

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bsdfox:

mythplugins

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iamlindoro_:

bsdfox, mythplugins doesn't include any decoders

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wagnerrp:

mythvideo is little more than a loader

[02:03:15]

academy:

Has anyone here got the opengl painter working on an epia without crashing?

[02:03:18]

test1:

[ ty wagnerrp ]

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wagnerrp:

it generates a menu, and then either loads the internal mythtv player, or an external player

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mtn_biker_mike:

can anyone help with mythtv not working

[02:07:34]

sphery:

How do you want it to not work? I know quite a few ways to break it.

[02:07:35]

iamlindoro_:

Whoah, whoah, cut out all this technical talk

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test1:

:)

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test1:

ok .. i try

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test1:

mtn_biker_mike: can you watchtv

[02:08:56]

test1:

(in myth)

[02:09:11]

mtn_biker_mike:

well I got it to work one time with no sound, but it will not play live tv again I have a pchdtv- hd-3000 and a haugppauge hvr-1600

[02:09:55]

mtn_biker_mike:

no Watch Tv, Guide has channels but no names

[02:10:18]

test1:

do you have a cable betveen sound card and tv card ?

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wagnerrp:

test1: no

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sphery:

mtn_biker_mike: sounds like misconfigured input connections/video sources/capture cards... I'd recommend: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

[02:10:52]

mtn_biker_mike:

no cable to the sound card sould not need it on Digital channels

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test1:

ok..

[02:11:38]

test1:

guide is empty ?

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mtn_biker_mike:

but if I got to play live tv and had no sould U would try it

[02:12:15]

mtn_biker_mike:

the guide shows the channels but no names or programs

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wagnerrp:

mythtv should not need guide data, nor channel names, to get livetv

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test1:

u only have icons of the channels

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wagnerrp:

how about some backend logs?

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wagnerrp:

test1: likely he only has numbers

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test1:

yeah..

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mtn_biker_mike:

I change to have the guide pop up when you ,watch Tv and that fixed it for one night

[02:14:15]

test1:

do you know the xmltv id of your channels ? (the one of your grab )

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test1:

and... is it the same in mythsetup/channels/ "xmltv id = "

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mtn_biker_mike:

ok how should I get the logs I have the start up fro the term when I ran mythbackend

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wagnerrp:

usually one daemonizes mythbackend, and uses the '-l' flag to write a log

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wagnerrp:

but, if its in a term, you can just copy and paste it to a pastebin site

[02:17:42]

test1:

mythtv receive a channel but doesnt know which one it is .. so it cant put a program on it ..

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mtn_biker_mike:

ok where do I paste it? Here?

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EnderTheThird:

anyone having any luck with vdpau?

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wagnerrp:

a pastebin site

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wagnerrp:

EnderTheThird: yes

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mtn_biker_mike:

2009-01–07 18:14:02.518 Using runtime prefix = /usr

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mtn_biker_mike:

2009-01–07 18:14:02.520 Empty LocalHostName.

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mtn_biker_mike:

2009-01–07 18:14:02.520 Using localhost value of miketv-desktop

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mtn_biker_mike:

2009-01–07 18:14:02.532 New DB connection, total: 1

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mtn_biker_mike:

2009-01–07 18:14:02.538 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost

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wagnerrp:

damnit...

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EnderTheThird:

wagnerrp: mine doesn't seem to make a difference at all when using -vo vdpau.

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wagnerrp:

EnderTheThird: this is mplayer?

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wagnerrp:

are you using -vc as well?

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EnderTheThird:

wagnerrp: am i supposed to use a -vc <something> in there too? yeah, it's mplayer

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wagnerrp:

you need to use both

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wagnerrp:

just follow the instructions in the readme

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EnderTheThird:

the -vc commands they used to use aren't in there anymore. what'd they change the name to?

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wagnerrp:

oh? i havent tried mplayer/vdpau since some time in november

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EnderTheThird:

hmmm, the -vc commands they give aren't in mine after it's been compiled.

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wagnerrp:

mtn_biker_mike: you need to put the logs on a pastebin website, IRC is not designed for large volumes of text

[02:24:53]

wagnerrp:

also, if you are not, you should be using SchedulesDirect to get guide data

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mtn_biker_mike:

ok a pasted the start up at http://pastebin.com/m417f352a

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mtn_biker_mike:

I also played a U-tuBe stream with no sound

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wagnerrp:

you played a youtube video on firefox with no sound?

[02:29:27]

wagnerrp:

ok, several issues

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wagnerrp:

mythtv cannot access your card, either due to driver issues or file permissions

[02:30:09]

wagnerrp:

also, mythtv cannot bind to the necessary ports

[02:30:28]

wagnerrp:

perhaps because you are trying to run a SECOND instance of mythbackend on the same machine

[02:30:33]

academy:

Has anyone used mythtv with a composite->rf converter? How'd it go?

[02:31:01]

wagnerrp:

academy: you mean an rf modulator? like the thing in every VCR?

[02:31:12]

academy:

wagnerrp: yeah, sorry.

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academy:

wagnerrp: I don't see why it wouldn't work. It'd save building another frontend

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wagnerrp:

it will work just fine, but will likely look like ass

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wagnerrp:

best option is svideo (for standard definition)

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mtn_biker_mike:

I have an internal Motherboard sound Disabled and using a sound card that works if I play a wav file

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academy:

svideo isn't really used in the uk. I could do scart->rf

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wagnerrp:

ah, well why not just use scart directly?

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academy:

The bedroom is too far from the backend without using many wireless repeaters. As there's rf around the house it seemed like a good solution.

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wagnerrp:

wireless is typically not a good option with mythtv anyway

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academy:

It's possible to use a second machine to convert to dvb-t, but if rf would be 'good enough' for a bit of late night film watching, I'd like to try that.

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academy:

*uhf, not rf

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wagnerrp:

outputting dvb-t?

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wagnerrp:

i was not aware there were any devices in the consumer range that could do such things

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academy:

http://bellard.org/dvbt/ Seems like a lot of hastle so I'll try the UHF route first. Just wondered whether anyone had tried it.

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wagnerrp:

anyway, yeah, mythtv will work just fine over rf in that scenario

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academy:

cheers

[02:38:11]

wagnerrp:

oh now thats just horribly fugly

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wagnerrp:

writing a graphics driver that outputs cofdm modulated mpeg2 signals using the VGA DAC

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academy:

I know; thought the UHF route would be easier.

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academy:

If you think that's bad, look at the links :)

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wagnerrp:

i cant decide if thats ingenious, or the most retarded thing i have ever heard

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academy:

I think AM over VGA is pretty ingenious.

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quantum__:

I am having problems playing .vob files in mythtv. before I upgraded they used to play fine, but I did a clean install now they come out garbled

[03:39:32]

quantum__:

anybody out there?

[03:40:03]

quantum__:

can someone give me the mplayer command they are using?

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dgarr:

where can i download mkiconmap.pl ?

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iamlindoro_:

It's in the source

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dgarr:

hmm — i just dowloaded mythtv-0.21.tar.bz2 and it doesn't seem to be there, has it's name changed?

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iamlindoro_:

nope

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iamlindoro_:

actually, come to think of it, it has

[03:51:06]

iamlindoro_:

anyway, look in contrib/icons

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iamlindoro_:

(not a name change per se, but superceded)

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dgarr:

i found channel_icons.pl is that it?

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iamlindoro_:

yep

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dgarr:

thanks much!

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iamlindoro_:

no prob

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quantum__:

I can't play DVDs since I upgraded mythtv. I am getting all sorts of crap like Error reading block from DVD: Error reading NAV packet.

[04:12:42]

quantum__:

anybody know how to fix this

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quantum__:

has libdvdnav become corrupted or something it is saying some junk about region coding, I have been using hte same drive without issue on fc6

[04:15:07]

quantum__:

: Unable to find map file '/home/mythtv/.dvdnav/

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quantum__:

Error reading block from DVD: Error reading NAV packet.

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quantum__:

2009-01–07 22:14:26.870 NVP::OpenFile(): Error, couldn't read file: /dev/dvd

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quantum__:

2009-01–07 22:14:26.870 TV Error: StartPlayer(): NVP is not playing after 20000 msec

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hadees:

hot damn, i finally got my HDPVRs working again

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hadees:

sound and all

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quantum__:

can someone point me in the right direciton to fix this? it used to work before I upgraded mythtv system

[04:19:07]

iamlindoro:

Stop repeating yourself.

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iamlindoro:

So rude.

[04:19:17]

iamlindoro:

suck it up, wait, and be patient

[04:20:07]

hadees:

although mythtv is crashing some times but hell at least i can watch tv

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hadees:

can anyone recommend a good bedroom pc? by that i mean i want something small and good looking, i would like to have a 3ghz chip in it too

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Guest53292:

I can't get playback working quite right on my system. LiveTV works fine, DVD's work fine but the playback of recordings in plagued by intermitten pausing of video and audio. The error I'm seeing is one of NVP: PreBuffer Pause followed by 2 to 4 NVP: Waiting for prebuffer.. Any help would be much appreciated.

[04:41:20]

tank-man:

livetv is the same as playing back recorded tv

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tank-man:

so its strange that livetv works and recordings dont work

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Guest53292:

I completely agree, and admit much frustrated.

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Guest53292:

Ocassionally I can play back a recording fine... Specifically after a reboot... but after exiting or finishing the first one I can not play the same or different video free of these problems.

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Shadow____X:

how do you find what mythtv version you are running

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tank-man:

mythfrontend --version

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GreyFoxx:

/a wonders if there is any open plans for making component -> cat5 adapters

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** GreyFoxx wonders if there is any open plans for making component -> cat5 adapters **

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Shadow____X:

thanks tank-man

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dustybin:

'Shadow_{4}_X'

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dustybin:

'Shadow{4}_X'

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Shadow__X:

aparently _X is registered

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dustybin:

'Shadow{2}_X' ftw

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Shadow__X:

heh

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Shadow__X:

i could switch to hyphen

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poodyp:

Shadow_X456356

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d0netsFN:

yea ok wtf

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d0netsFN:

i gotta figure this out

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d0netsFN:

i set it to record decoding the past

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d0netsFN:

on channel 269 (history)

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d0netsFN:

it changed to 69

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d0netsFN:

ok i def think its the ir blaster

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** d0netsFN tinkers **

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d0netsFN:

someone told me to adjust the time in my channel change script

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d0netsFN:

http://pastebin.com/m599aa7b8

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d0netsFN:

could someone help me do this?

[05:06:41]

d0netsFN:

do i need more or less, and where in the script is that time

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tank-man:

where it says "sleep"

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tank-man:

increase the number

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d0netsFN:

ok

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d0netsFN:

any suggestions?

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d0netsFN:

to a full second?

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d0netsFN:

or what

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tank-man:

i have no suggestion

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d0netsFN:

its not picking up the first number

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d0netsFN:

like i do scriptname 269

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d0netsFN:

and it does 69

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Shadow__X:

scriptname 2269?

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tank-man:

did you try changing the line "sleep 0.5" to "sleep 1" or "sleep 2" ?

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tank-man:

lines

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d0netsFN:

ok back

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d0netsFN:

yea i tried 1

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d0netsFN:

and i moved the irblaster

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d0netsFN:

it changed the chan

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d0netsFN:

so i guess i willl have to see how it goes

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d0netsFN:

and yes shadow__x

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d0netsFN:

you type the scriptname channelnumber

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d0netsFN:

to change the chan

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Shadow__X:

heh d0netsFN i know i meant it as since it was dropping the first number put a n extra

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d0netsFN:

yea but its a script for mythtv to use to change the chan when needed (for recordings when im not there)

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Shadow__X:

yeah i know i was just messing with ya

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sandeen:

anybody know of a source for those ahanix/d-vine HTPC cases? Seems like maybe they stopped making them... was trying to find a black one :) Found silver on ebay ....

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** sandeen decides to go with silver, for now :) **

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poodyp:

don't go with silver, it glows in the dark and you'll hate yourself on movie night

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sandeen:

mroe than I do on most nights? :)

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sandeen:

it's weird, these same cases have been rebadged by some place called "moneaual" or something for like a 250% markup

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test1:

hi.. anyone using >VIRTUAL< freebox in myth (or vlc) to get freetv.fr ?? need help to make it work, please

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portablejim:

I can only pick up 2 channels on my Pinnacle PCTV Hybrid Pro (310i). It is not the signal coming in, as I have put the card into a windows machine and installed the the software provided. Using the same cable, same card, etc and I got 5 Analog Channels + 18 digital signals (expected – I live in Australia).

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mattwj2002:

hi guys

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portablejim:

hi mattwj2002.

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justinh:

!seen guys

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MythLogBot:

guys has not been seen here

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justinh:

GreyFoxx: all you need is a bunch of majorly high bandwidth op-amps :)

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gbee:

"Will the highways on the internet become more few?"

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gbee:

classic

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mattwj2002:

haha justinh

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mattwj2002:

!seen wiseguy

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MythLogBot:

wiseguy has not been seen here

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mattwj2002:

I disagree with that ;)

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justinh:

academy: that 'open' dvb-t modulator won't work for moving images.. he only got as far as making transport streams of still images

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gbee:

best laugh I've had all month – http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7809160.stm

[09:46:36]

justinh:

and FYI I've looked for single board dvb-t modulators and none seem to be available – your best bet is a bunch of modules (no longer made unfortunately) from a German company. COFDM modulation is quite complex, see

[09:50:49]

mattwj2002:

so anyone going to miss analog tv?

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justinh:

some sad buggers are already moaning about the demise of Teletext

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justinh:

I'm going to miss in-vision signing, when it eventually gets replaced. NOT

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mattwj2002:

what is in-vision signing?

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sid3windr:

for deaf people? :)

[09:52:35]

mattwj2002:

oh yeah

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justinh:

it's where somebody SIGNS (as in for the deaf) dialogue in a programme

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mattwj2002:

is that even used that often?

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justinh:

because.. "it's for deaf people who might not be able to read"

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sid3windr:

but can they then read sign language justinh ? ;)

[09:53:30]

justinh:

quite

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justinh:

you'd be surprised quite how many programmes are plagued by it

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justinh:

but no, speak up about against it & you're somehow being discriminatory

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mattwj2002:

I was positive that HDTV had cc in HD

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justinh:

wouldn't care, they have the tech to make in-vision signing completely optional (same with DOGs actually)

[09:55:17]

justinh:

mattwj2002: no, but what about people who can't read?!

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justinh:

you're discriminating against them!

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mattwj2002:

I am sure it'll come out

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mattwj2002:

:)

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justinh:

so anyway, no. I won't be missing analogue TV. Apart from the lovely picture quality

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mattwj2002:

my thought was people that had slow mythtv boxes that only get OTA analog

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justinh:

Especially once OFCOM cull the number of multiplexes available to SDTV in the UK to five from six, meaning that existing channels get even more squished :(

[09:57:32]

justinh:

mattwj2002: analogue PAL TV is superior to <5mbit mpeg2 anytime

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justinh:

well, maybe not _any_ time... any time you've got a nice signal

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mattwj2002:

how so?

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mattwj2002:

the chill affect?

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justinh:

well, digital TV is only superior to analogue in terms of colour resolution

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mattwj2002:

don't forget sound

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mattwj2002:

:)

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justinh:

analogue suffers from no motion-based mpeg artifacts

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mattwj2002:

true

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justinh:

we've had NICAM digital sound for about 20 years now

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mattwj2002:

what is that?

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mattwj2002:

I am from the us....so bare with me

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justinh:

near-CD quality TV audio transmitted on a subcarrier in digital form

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justinh:

infact, it's better quality than the 48khz mpeg1 layer 2 audio on digital TV now

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justinh:

but hey at least we have many more channels now

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justinh:

:-\

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sid3windr:

heh

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mattwj2002:

more channels are good

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mattwj2002:

:)

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justinh:

not necessarily

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mattwj2002:

artifacts suck though

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justinh:

anyway, you guys in the US... you benefit from digital TV no end. I saw enough NTSC crap when I've been over there to know. Hmmmmm yellow skin tones :)

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mattwj2002:

lol

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justinh:

and yeah lots of channels but plenty with nasty crosshatch interference on em

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justinh:

I wondered how anybody put up with it for so long

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justinh:

no, it wasn't always hotel tv ;-)

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portablejim:

Can anyone help me?

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mattwj2002:

what is up portablejim?

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justinh:

anyway, in many ways digital is better for consumers. just don't let me catch anybody using the word 'digital' next to the word 'quality' ;-)

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mattwj2002:

hehe

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portablejim:

I can only pick up 2 channels on my Pinnacle PCTV Hybrid Pro (310i). It is not the signal coming in, as I have put the card into a windows machine and installed the the software provided. Using the same cable, same card, etc and I got 5 Analog Channels + 18 digital signals (expected – I live in Australia)

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mattwj2002:

my biggest concern is tv stations in the country

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justinh:

ahh hybrids. biggest waste of money since.. not buying an analogue & digital tuner separately

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mattwj2002:

a lot of people are going to have problems with the chilling affect

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justinh:

portablejim: for one thing, mythtv's analogue scanning doesn't really provide optimum results

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justinh:

portablejim: for another thing, digital & analogue sections of a tuner card should be treated by mythtv as separate tuner cards

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** lyricnz waves to his mythtv buddies! Hahahaha :) **

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justinh:

if you want to use the digital section, set the tuner type to DVB in mythtv-setup

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mattwj2002:

hi lyricnz

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justinh:

which FYI isn't the default setting

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justinh:

portablejim: btw all this assumes the card is working properly in linux. use kaffeine to test that

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portablejim:

justinh, I have set it up, and it is working, as I can pick up a digital channel (one of the two I can pick up).

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lyricnz:

Frontend hasn't crashed yet, now that I'm running it in the debugger ;)

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justinh:

portablejim: maybe you're missing a module option which enables an internal amplifier on the tuner card

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mattwj2002:

my mythweb is broke

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mattwj2002:

:(

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portablejim:

justinh, please contine. Or do I google "mythtv module internal amplifier"?

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mattwj2002:

other than that I have great little system

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justinh:

portablejim: no, google $nameoftvtunercard linux

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justinh:

has FA to do with mythtv

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sid3windr:

oh

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sid3windr:

I actually had to disable the internal amplifier :p

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mzb_d800:

academy: I use the qt painter

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mattwj2002:

yeah I found something unusual with mythtv box

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mattwj2002:

the open source video card drivers actually work better than the ones made by ATI

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justinh:

YMMV

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mattwj2002:

what is ymmv?

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justinh:

apart from Xv, you mean :)

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justinh:

your mileage may vary

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mattwj2002:

justinh please explain yourself

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mattwj2002:

:P

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mzb_d800:

or in other word: "horses for courses" ;P

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justinh:

e.g. 'actual results experiences personally may vary from published figures'

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justinh:

*experienced

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mattwj2002:

got ya

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mzb_d800:

much more eloquent, I'm sure :)

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mattwj2002:

from my experience Nvidia is better than ATI anyways

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mattwj2002:

for mythtv that is

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** lyricnz will never build another machine with ATI hardware, what a headache! **

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justinh:

when they work, I've heard ATI gear wees on nvidia from a great height in terms of output quality

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mzb_d800:

that seems to be the general consensus in this channel

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justinh:

and output tweakability

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justinh:

their VGA outputs always seemed nicer than anything else when I bought ATI cards

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Dibblah:

Meh. VGA is the new Composite.

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Dibblah:

DVI FTW :)

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justinh:

yeah well obviously digital outputs make analogue output comparisons pointless :)

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Dibblah:

Unfortunately, analogue guys are thin on the ground these days, apparently.

[10:28:20]

Dibblah:

I mean... http://regmedia.co.uk/2008/11/26/amd_rad_4350.jpg

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mzb_d800:

*cough*

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Dibblah:

That makes my eyeballs feel all dirty.

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poodyp:

nerd pr0n?

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mzb_d800:

red boards don't float my boat ;)

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poodyp:

I'm more in to brunettes

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Dibblah:

Please tell me you see what's wrong with that picture?

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mzb_d800:

svideo port?

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Dibblah:

justinh: I know you know...

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Dibblah:

Hint: VGA connectors aren't properly impedence matched and nicely balanced. However, that's just taking the piss.

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justinh:

eew

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Dibblah:

It seems to be very common these days on any card that's not "high end" :(

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** Dibblah does, however, like the DVI-a connector. Nicely impedance matched, nicely shielded, symmetrical signal paths... Just... Nice. **

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justinh:

that said, it'll probably be fine for 1024x768 or 1280x1024

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Dibblah:

Just finished making a case for the mini-ATX motherboard to fit better than a full tower in the cupboard it's sitting in.

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directhex:

it's enormously common

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directhex:

if anyone wants to buy a nice geforce 7600 instead, though, i might have a spare... :p

[10:41:23]

Dibblah:

Ended up being 27x27x15cm...

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Dibblah:

That's with space for a full height video card.

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troldrik:

Dibblah: Too bad you can't get a decent CRT these days for that dvi-a. :p

[10:44:50]

Dibblah:

No, actually, it's not.

[10:45:06]

Dibblah:

I hate the size and power consumption of CRTs.

[10:45:24]

Dibblah:

Sure, they have their place, since 24 bit panels are insanely expensive.

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** directhex has been tft-only for 8 years **

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justinh:

I think I'll be chucking my 20" CRT this weekend. currently on the backend

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** Dibblah just wants commercially available, cheap and long-lasting OLED or equivalent. **

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justinh:

don't want much then :-P

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gbee:

doesn't everyone?

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Dibblah:

Bugger this throwing away 90% if the energy in the polarisers idea.

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** justinh wonders how linuxmce's plan for world domination is coming along **

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directhex:

almost as well as Elisa's?

[11:07:21]

justinh:

funny, but all the projects myth was so cruelly compared to a while ago at lugradio live aren't doing so well nowadays. could it really be that all that glisters stinks of doggy poo?

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Doodz:

evening

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gbee:

are they really not doing well?

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justinh:

gbee: tried any of them recently? crashy. seemingly not moved on at all since the first time I looked at them

[11:09:32]

justinh:

and gstreamer based stuff seems only to be grabbing hold of desktop players

[11:09:34]

gbee:

I don't really have any perspective, on the inside looking out, so I wouldn't know just how well mythtv is doing and how it is viewed by the wider community

[11:09:38]

Doodz:

peeps thanks for your help yesterday .. finally got MythTV workin...if ya can remember me lol

[11:09:51]

lyricnz:

Yup. Cool.

[11:10:22]

Doodz:

just got one minor thing that is weird

[11:10:26]

justinh:

gbee: in terms of doing what it says on the tin, it still does & that's what counts :)

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Doodz:

when my PC starts up and goes into MythTV ...when I attempt to watch TV screen goes blank and then returns to menu ... but if I close front end and also kill back end.. then start backend followed by front end... TV works fine ?

[11:12:23]

jduggan:

and what do your logs say?

[11:12:42]

justinh:

he no know. he no look yet ;-)

[11:12:53]

Doodz:

lol

[11:13:31]

Doodz:

well I did have a peek at logs but dont mean much to me.. so yeah ill put up some logs soonish

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Doodz:

is this a patch that is already automatically applied on the current MythTV ..or if I want the feature the patch provides I would need to install the patch ? — http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3008

[11:17:12]

justinh:

Doodz: logs

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Doodz:

justinh: yeah the patch thing is a separate question .. getting logs soon ..my PC is busy atm

[11:18:48]

justinh:

Doodz: the patch is against trunk, the development version of mythtv – so you'd need to use that

[11:18:59]

Doodz:

justinh: gotcha thanks

[11:19:05]

justinh:

17 months ago? christ on a bike

[11:19:18]

Doodz:

lol yeah

[11:19:27]

justinh:

it's closed anyway, so likely won't even apply cleanly now

[11:19:36]

Doodz:

darn

[11:19:52]

Doodz:

yeah thought it might have been a feature that is standard by now...

[11:20:17]

justinh:

nope

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justinh:

there we go. one in-car USB power unit. done and boxed

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GreyFoxx:

justinh: You know of any open plans for making some component to cat5 adapters ?:)

[11:38:45]

justinh:

GreyFoxx: nope, but you're gonna need a carefully designed circuit if you want to do HD

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justinh:

controlled & stable gain to > 60MHz, probably equalisation too... tricky for DIY. Certainly not something you could knock up on some veroboard & be certain of video quality

[11:42:04]

gbee:

features don't write themselves

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** directhex writes a polymorphic gbee **

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Doodz:

they dont ?

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Doodz:

I thought if people google something enough ... it eventually creates itself....

[11:43:38]

GreyFoxx:

justinh: I'm just trying to be cheap and not buy them for $50CDN+ per end :)

[11:44:35]

justinh:

GreyFoxx: that's cheap :)

[11:46:04]

justinh:

well, it would be if they're good enough for HD

[11:48:22]

GreyFoxx:

the site doesn't specifically say hd or not

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GreyFoxx:

actually no it does say hd

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justinh:

there you go then :)

[11:49:13]

justinh:

for DIY you'd be talking very careful circuit layout, controlled impedance.. not something you're going to get easily on home-etched boards

[11:49:43]

justinh:

unless you like ghosting & ringing ;)

[11:49:52]

GreyFoxx:

no :)

[11:50:35]

justinh:

then again it might stand some experimentation.. wonder how bored I'd have to be to get busy with that

[11:51:13]

GreyFoxx:

he

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GreyFoxx:

h pretty bored I imagine :)

[11:51:43]

justinh:

and like my USB in-car PSU... it'd at least _look_ like real work :)

[11:52:51]

lyricnz:

Hmm, mythfrontend using 120% of CPU playing SD content :(

[11:53:06]

justinh:

ENOPROPERVIDEODRIVER?

[11:53:25]

lyricnz:

nvidia binary, seems to be working find

[11:53:40]

justinh:

using the wrong video playback profile perhaps?

[11:53:42]

lyricnz:

glxgears does thousands of fps, no errors in x logs

[11:53:50]

lyricnz:

It's, uh, defaults whatever that is :0

[11:54:02]

justinh:

try another then

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lyricnz:

It's probably deinterlacing or something.

[11:55:10]

justinh:

whoah what's with all the TVs that are converging on other mediums?

[11:55:14]

at0m|c:

hi, i'm setting up an X user account for real small kids. Is it possible to exclude certain modules (news, weather,..) so they get some "simplified" mythtv?

[11:55:36]

justinh:

just been shown an ad for a telly with inbuilt news & weather browser

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justinh:

what next? upnp players built in?!

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directhex:

justinh, you want? tosh sell

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justinh:

with upnp? any good?

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justinh:

oh wait. upnp. no it won't be any use

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justinh:

universal plug & play with their own media server software running on a windows PC

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at0m|c:

or worse, intel V//V

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Doodz:

ok got some logs

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Doodz:

I'll explain my issue again:

[12:02:37]

Doodz:

when my PC starts up and goes into MythTV ...when I attempt to watch TV screen goes blank and then returns to menu ... but if I close front end and also kill back end.. then start backend followed by front end... TV works fine ?

[12:02:51]

Doodz:

logs here: http://pastebin.com/d427734ca

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directhex:

"Failed to find network interface eth0"?

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Doodz:

oh

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justinh:

network manager strikes again!

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Doodz:

ahh

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justinh:

in days of yore, mythbackend init scripts used to depend on certain services having started first

[12:04:22]

** directhex strikes network manager again **

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Doodz:

okay so TV wont work without internet...I see and backend must be start AFTER internet is up and running...?

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justinh:

no not internet. NETWORKING

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directhex:

justinh, modern n-m doesn't depend on the user, you can set up static connections with it

[12:04:57]

Doodz:

oh...

[12:05:09]

justinh:

well, whatever. they need to sort that out pronto

[12:05:10]

justinh:

:)

[12:05:53]

directhex:

it's sorted, dependant upon users usnig a recent enough NM

[12:05:58]

Doodz:

so is there a better workaround than just killing off mythtv processes and restarting it ?

[12:06:31]

directhex:

make networking work.

[12:06:36]

directhex:

great workaround.

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Doodz:

well how come it works after I kill off the mythbackend processes and start them up again ?

[12:07:36]

directhex:

because by then networking is up

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directhex:

you have a race condition

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directhex:

myth starts before networking, fucks up

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directhex:

myth must start after networking

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directhex:

this isn't rocket science

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Doodz:

it isnt ?

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** Doodz puts rockets away **

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academy:

I'm getting 'ProcessFrameXvMC: Tried to reuse frame but failed' in the program guide so the preview pane stays blank. Fullscreen livetv works fine. Is there a fix for this or should I report a bug?

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directhex:

not using xvmc is the best advice

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academy:

directhex: I find that I get focus issues with XVideo and that when I change channel from the program guide, the screen remains blank until the video appears. XvMC works much more smoothly for me

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justinh:

makes a change from people whining that channels take too long to change :)

[12:17:40]

justinh:

and anyway, Xvideo has bugger all to do with focus

[12:18:05]

justinh:

your window manager takes care of that (or not)

[12:19:22]

academy:

justinh: well it works with XvMC perfectly. I never get issues – with Xvideo I get black screens with audio until I alt+tab a few times. I'm using ratpoison.

[12:20:18]

academy:

I'm happy with XvMC besides the preview pane issue – I'll report it though as I assume it's a bug.

[12:20:42]

justinh:

I have some breaking news for your. xvmc is not used on the preview video

[12:21:16]

justinh:

least not in 0.21 AFAIK

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academy:

justinh: oh, ok. When I'm using Xvideo I get a preview pane. When I'm using XvMC, I get the above error scrolling, no audio and a black screen

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academy:

I'm using the trunk revision from before the PlayBackBox additions

[12:21:55]

academy:

(the one immediately before).

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justinh:

it's probably known about then

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justinh:

the -vid branch was merged recently apparently

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academy:

Ok. I'll put a bug report in as I can't see an existing one. It can always be deleted.

[12:22:52]

academy:

Ok?

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justinh:

and in the -vid branch there was talk of xvmc accelerated preview windows

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justinh:

academy: update to a newer version & see if it still happens

[12:23:29]

justinh:

like the guy in the ticket will prolly tell you to do :P

[12:23:47]

justinh:

if that breaks the theme you use, boo hoo.

[12:24:30]

academy:

justinh: I'm using 19601 and I can't see a changeset that would affect this.

[12:25:06]

Dibblah:

Again, parts of -vid were merged. There's still more to go in from that branch, AFAIK.

[12:25:16]

justinh:

only parts? heh

[12:25:19]

Dibblah:

Or at least more dev work in there.

[12:25:31]

Dibblah:

... Since Daniel is keeping it up to date.

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** justinh goes back to sleep **

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justinh:

did anybody take my commit privs away yet? still want that to happen since they're wasted on me

[12:28:28]

jduggan:

give them to dustybin

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justinh:

if I needed an excuse to hang onto them just incase, that'd be it

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zDen:

Hi, is there any way to update myhtv (mythvideo) database automaticly?

[12:30:46]

zDen:

I mean that if my files on disk changes, i definetly want update my database... now i have to select it from menu

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directhex:

zDen, some kind of inotify magic, to start processing as soon as files are added?

[12:33:05]

zDen:

well, for me it might be enough for example if i can run some script from cron... or something like that

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directhex:

there's no facility in 0.21 to do it

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directhex:

mythweb mangles the database by hand

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zDen:

in fact, i'm using svn snapshot

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zDen:

its pretty frustrating to go through menus every time when you want watch something...

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justinh:

you can, of course just browse files in mythvideo if you want

[12:52:19]

zDen:

yes i can, but then can not have metadata with my videos

[12:54:44]

Doodz:

zDen: check out the following page: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-938760.html

[12:57:55]

justinh:

you can always scan for metadata later

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justinh:

or just use XBMC

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justinh:

:)

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Doodz:

well the link I gave him should do what he wants...

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zDen:

Doodz: wow! thanks i'm already using metacleanup and that imdbupdater seems to just what i'm looking for... thanks

[12:58:53]

justinh:

or not, because imdb scraping is or will be broken

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Doodz:

ur welcome

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Doodz:

well I've used it for a collection of 400 movies..and it works just as the site says it should...

[13:00:28]

justinh:

ducking file squirrels & torrent whores

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Doodz:

just backed up my movie collection ;)

[13:00:55]

justinh:

the site says 'YMMV, don't come running to me if it breaks' actually

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Doodz:

well I guess that's always an issue with any non-official feature...

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justinh:

people will be pleasantly surprised by 0.22 then :)

[13:02:21]

Doodz:

ooh ? why's that ...when does it come out

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justinh:

it doesn't. not until it's ready!

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Doodz:

so it comes out when it's ready then...

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Doodz:

why will people be pleasantly surprised ?

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directhex:

it'll be buncled with retail copies of duke nukem forever

[13:03:22]

justinh:

put it this way, you won't need to trawl through menus to manage videos anymore

[13:04:04]

Doodz:

so it will work like Banshee or Amarok ?

[13:04:11]

justinh:

no, it'll WORK

[13:04:57]

justinh:

the level of idiocy encountered here lately is ridiculous. where have all the clued people gone?

[13:06:01]

justinh:

well, had enough of that. gone is the grub bootloader, back to having a plain ole windows laptop. get yer own 0.22 themes

[13:06:04]

directhex:

turkmenistan

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** directhex pings ikonia again **

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Doodz:

there aren't many of the people you want

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Doodz:

who like the think they are superior and look down on those who don't share their niche information flow

[13:06:59]

justinh:

yeah distros like ubuntu have reduced the cluedness of the community to the barest possible level

[13:07:24]

Doodz:

well that's what is needed if you want things to be mainstream .. and not just for the nerds/geeks

[13:08:20]

jduggan:

meh, i wouldnt blame ubuntu specifically, 12 years ago the only people that ran linux were true geeks that were pretty competent... its all about making things easier, linux isnt just for geeks

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jduggan:

its an alternative

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jduggan:

its good that there are lusers on linux these days... it increases the userbase and makes hardware vendors pay more attention ;)

[13:10:30]

justinh:

does it?!

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otwin:

justinh: just like mouse and gui – blame xerox...

[13:10:41]

Doodz:

jduggan: totally agree...the geeks are achieving their aim if what they create attracts non geeks

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jduggan:

if linux was reserved for geeks that knew what they were doing, i doubt nvidia would release drivers for it

[13:11:16]

justinh:

not MY aim to attract anybody to anything. everybody else can all go to hell for all I care :)

[13:11:44]

jduggan:

now that it has a pretty wide userbase, it makes more sense to increase its market share by making a linux driver available

[13:14:55]

Doodz:

nod

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Doodz:

Microsoft never did a good job automating stuff...but they did the best job....their days are numbered in that respect...

[13:16:12]

justinh:

and as far as the userbase is concerned, try letting your email address become known to people who happen to have very solid opinions about what you should spend all your time doing

[13:16:28]

justinh:

see how quick you get sick of hearing about it

[13:16:36]

justinh:

see how much 'the community rocks' then

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Doodz:

lol

[13:16:46]

Doodz:

you need a holiday bud

[13:16:51]

justinh:

I've had one

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Doodz:

have another one

[13:17:11]

justinh:

what I really need to do is disconnect from the ducking linux community altogether

[13:17:28]

justinh:

including IRC & clueless idiots who don't know their arse from their elbow

[13:17:45]

justinh:

but that's the problem.. I'm always effing compelled to come back

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directhex:

the big problem, the big big problem, is entitlement culture

[13:18:14]

justinh:

always was, directhex – and I don't see it going away

[13:19:04]

justinh:

if something doesn't do what I want it to do, or if it does something badly, I'll have a moan about it for a short while then use something that does the job better (or at all)

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jduggan:

justinh: if you worked for a commercial application development firm, you'd see the same emails 'it does this but not this, can we make it do this.' answer; 'no'

[13:20:01]

jduggan:

the difference is that theyre paid for it :)

[13:20:18]

justinh:

the difference is that they can't opt out of it :)

[13:21:20]

justinh:

sufficient to say I've still not got over getting burned by those ducking sucky themes I did. I want to forget they ever existed

[13:22:04]

jduggan:

i think you're too hard on yourself

[13:22:24]

jduggan:

at the time of each theme release, they were probably the best that existed

[13:22:32]

jduggan:

:)

[13:22:32]

justinh:

I think I made a mistake in ever contributing to anything

[13:22:42]

jduggan:

you could contribute anonymously

[13:22:53]

justinh:

because it brought me into contact with some very unsavoury people

[13:23:01]

justinh:

which in turn made me ever more jaded & angry

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Doodz:

lol

[13:23:15]

** lyricnz chuckles **

[13:23:16]

directhex:

computomotrons attract fraks

[13:23:21]

directhex:

just look at boycottnovell!

[13:23:50]

justinh:

is that like veganism, only much much more silly?

[13:24:21]

directhex:

yes!

[13:24:37]

justinh:

like, to properly boycott novell, you have to avoid dealing with anybody who might have bought, sold or otherwise come into contact with Novell tech?

[13:24:55]

directhex:

no, just moan on smoe crappy blog about how evil microsoft are

[13:25:05]

justinh:

ahh right

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directhex:

then when people criticize you, accuse them of being MS employees sent to stalk you

[13:25:24]

justinh:

because we'd all be better off using abacuses in our candle-lit caves

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Doodz:

im sure there would be a way to automate abacuses.. with a few rocks and running water...

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justinh:

jduggan: anyway, 'best at the time they were released' isn't saying all that much. and the core themes haven't moved on much since either. infact not a single core theme can hold even a birthday cake candle to ANY 3rd party theme due to a flat refusal to bin any of the core theme junk

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justinh:

goes to show me, despite the protestations of some just how unimportant they're viewed

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justinh:

"it's only graphics" after all

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directhex:

someone must like those core themes for them to remain

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directhex:

they suck!

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jduggan:

heh

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justinh:

maybe nobody wants to see their own work discontinued. me, I wouldn't mind.. not that lot of mine

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shadn_:

ugh get rid of the core themes

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shadn_:

or reimplement them

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GreyFoxx:

The only one that really bothers me in GANT, but to each their own :)

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directhex:

GreyFoxx, gant is doable. i like gant icons. but iulius, srsly?

[14:04:57]

GreyFoxx:

*shrug*

[14:05:03]

GreyFoxx:

It's a great low memory theme :)

[14:05:24]

shadn_:

Well if you want to get rid of the Myth is ugly moniker give it some flash from the start

[14:06:09]

GreyFoxx:

I don't particular care if people find it ugly :)

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GreyFoxx:

I just care if I find it ugly :)

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jams:

GreyFoxx- is it safe to assume the save&restore of settings was so impressive that your still speechless about it?

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directhex:

GreyFoxx, iulius isn't "minimal" or "low memory", it's "ugly".

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jduggan:

does the new UI code make theme usage lighter?

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jduggan:

on memory

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GreyFoxx:

jams! Doh! I'll check it now

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jduggan:

or, with all the new features, is it likely to make mem usage heavier ;P

[14:14:08]

GreyFoxx:

dunno :)

[14:14:16]

jams:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

jams I got it twice. Are both the same patch ?

[14:14:51]

directhex:

offload everything into graphics ram – who needs to store a real bitmap in ram if you just display a gl texture?

[14:15:05]

jams:

GreyFoxx- yes, had trouble sending it

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GreyFoxx:

k

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jams:

probably should split it out into multiple patches.

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GreyFoxx:

jams: I assume I should now be seeing a new "save or restore" option appearing in the frontend setup ?

[14:29:52]

trix:

i have some difficulties to compile the head version of mythtv, can someone help me ?

[14:31:54]

jams:

GreyFoxx- yes it's in the utilities area

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jams:

least i think thats where it went

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jams:

GreyFoxx- are you using the default menu layout?

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jams:

GreyFoxx- command line usage is provided at http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6064

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GreyFoxx:

classic actually

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jams:

that would be why it's missing

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jams:

the patch only changes the default theme

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GreyFoxx:

k

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GreyFoxx:

It's not enforcing you to provide an argument to -o is that intentional ?

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jams:

it probably should enforce that

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mythrookie:

hi there

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mythrookie:

iam trying to install myth tv

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mythrookie:

with dvb car

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mythrookie:

kaffein plays channels

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mythrookie:

sound is ok

[14:47:13]

mythrookie:

system/hardware setup should be fine

[14:47:22]

mythrookie:

but i cannot setup mythtv

[14:47:37]

mythrookie:

setup exits with backend not running

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justinh:

hmmm. I thought all t-dialin addresses were ignored by my client

[14:47:59]

GreyFoxx:

jams: Should it force a template name as well?

[14:48:20]

GreyFoxx:

a simple -o save creates settings_ though that is probably on purpose ?

[14:48:57]

mythrookie:

do i need a video source?

[14:49:05]

mythrookie:

i only have a dvb card

[14:49:23]

jams:

GreyFoxx- probably should

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GreyFoxx:

At a minimum you must always add the card, add a video source, and then go to input connections to join the source to the input on the card

[14:49:51]

GreyFoxx:

even if using EIT data you must define the video source

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mythrookie:

what is a videosource for my /dvb/adapter0 ?

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GreyFoxx:

You choose. You can all it whatever you like

[14:51:19]

GreyFoxx:

The viedo source is where you define the name of programming data source, if it's EIT or a xmltv script and so on

[14:51:38]

mythrookie:

so it creates a device?

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GreyFoxx:

no

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mythrookie:

ah

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mythrookie:

-.-

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mythrookie:

ok

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mythrookie:

i will choose EIT

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GreyFoxx:

Personally I'ld rename it to "program guide source" or listings source or something else

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mythrookie:

so i guess i can choose /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0

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mythrookie:

as device

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mythrookie:

its just a name

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mythrookie:

not device

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mythrookie:

:D

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** iamlindoro wonders why someone who seems never to have set up myth appears to be setting up trunk **

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GreyFoxx:

For less confusions I'd name it the name of the source of listings

[14:54:27]

GreyFoxx:

"Joes Cable Company"

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GreyFoxx:

"Telstra Sat"

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GreyFoxx:

whatever

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GreyFoxx:

but name it whatever you like :)

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mythrookie:

(tought it was asking for a device :/ dear god)

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: Udo might have taken your last email to heart..... he's gone silent :)

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: Think it took the combined will of us all-- like Care Bears

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Solaris444:

mythrookie: EIT is data provided by your broadcaster.

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GreyFoxx:

jams: well my save worked. can't test the restore from here though heh

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GreyFoxx:

haha

[14:56:23]

Solaris444:

It is received over the actual channel instead of from an internet feed.

[14:56:56]

Solaris444:

setup just tells myth WHICH hardware device to use.

[14:57:04]

Solaris444:

It doesn't actually create one.

[14:57:15]

** justinh names his video sources things like 'AV1', as logic would suggest **

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sid3windr:

av1? wtf is that :]

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GreyFoxx:

jams: Main things I'd change are enforcing template/parameter counds, add an entry for classic, and some of the patch had just whitespace changes.

[14:57:41]

justinh:

it's a video source :)

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GreyFoxx:

side: For him AV Input 1

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justinh:

sources of EPG data though, I name them after the grabber I use

[14:58:03]

GreyFoxx:

basically name it whatever makes sense so you can figure out what is coming from mwhere

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Solaris444:

actually justinh, for a rookie, the term "video source" can be confusing. It took me a while to work out exactly what it was.

[14:58:30]

GreyFoxx:

I have "IPTV" "Eastlink Cable" "Eastlink QAM" "Eastlink Firewire" :)

[14:58:38]

mythrookie:

i have sat

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GreyFoxx:

Solaris444: Don't get him started on that

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Solaris444:

I wasn't sure if it referred to hardware, software, etc.

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mythrookie:

setup dvb0 with EIT

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Solaris444:

I'm going to be writing an article on my experiences with myth sometime soon.

[14:59:03]

GreyFoxx:

we wanted to change it a long time ago but let othhers give opinions on what to name it

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Solaris444:

mythrookie: yup that looks good.

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GreyFoxx:

and it died a horrible death

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mythrookie:

scan results in Parameter Error

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sid3windr:

GreyFoxx: well, what you're saying makes more sense in a general way ;)

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GreyFoxx:

sid3windr: I also give names to heach of the tuners so Eastlink-PVR-0 Eastlink-PVR-1

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sid3windr:

:]

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mythrookie:

channel scan in input settings results in Parameter Error to be more clear

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GreyFoxx:

so I can always tell which is which, what I'm watching with, what tuner is going to record each show (via mythweb) and so on

[15:00:04]

Solaris444:

GreyFoxx: I can't necessarily think of a better name, but the helptext displayed on the screen during setup could be clearer.

[15:00:24]

Solaris444:

mythrookie: sounds like you've got a problem there.

[15:00:41]

Solaris444:

you have to do the card setup first.

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mythrookie:

ok

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mythrookie:

i will redo it

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mythrookie:

maybe the lnb setting is crap

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Solaris444:

inb?

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mythrookie:

Lnb

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justinh:

ooo. grand xmas allowance options. fgdshfasdhfjh truyj rfgew

[15:02:17]

jams:

GreyFoxx- thats easy enough. What about adding the changes to mythfrontend.pro do those look ok?

[15:03:30]

jams:

wasn't for sure of the correct way to do things, so I just stopped when it finally compiled.

[15:03:31]

mythrookie:

maybe debian myth is no dvb flag compiled

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GreyFoxx:

the linking directly to source/headers that are outside of the programs/mythfrontend might not go over too well

[15:03:53]

jams:

specificly the INCLUDEPATH

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GreyFoxx:

I's say a lot of the funcitons could move to mythcontext (savesettings and such)

[15:04:31]

GreyFoxx:

and then mythsettings/mythfrontend could call from there

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jams:

ah good point

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** directhex tries one last time to ping ikonia **

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GreyFoxx:

Or mythdb as it is now

[15:05:20]

GreyFoxx:

I keep forgetting most of that went to libmythdb

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jams:

Will add the extra checks for the cmdline and attach another patch to trac. Then wait some more.

[15:08:28]

iamlindoro:

Later I'll show you the secret-- it's called "being so obnoxious that people commit things to get you to shut the hell up"

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jams:

heh

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iamlindoro:

wroks good

[15:08:54]

iamlindoro:

er works

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jams:

i'm sure it will be committed at some point.

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mythrookie:

should i try to compile 0.22 instead of using debian-0.21

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mythrookie:

scanning channels fails with Parameter Error

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justinh:

arghh. another email about pooptube today. time to close that account

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justinh:

how are people getting my bloody email address anyway? from the lists? I thought changing it to 'none' in trac would stop this hassle

[15:17:32]

iamlindoro:

theme-info.xml

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justinh:

it's not in any of them AFAIK

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GreyFoxx:

<email>justin.hornsby@gmail.com </email>

[15:18:21]

iamlindoro:

Was in blootube's last I saw

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justinh:

that address is dead now

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GreyFoxx:

from themes/blootube/themeinfo.xml

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iamlindoro:

ah

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GreyFoxx:

k

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justinh:

just googled it. ffs, man! http://www.acetylcholine.com/phpbb/viewtopic. . . . 3e88bdae4ab9

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justinh:

guess an open source contributor's life is not a private one if you're not completely careful

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directhex:

which integrated chipsets did viddypow?

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jams:

hmm, anybody remember seeing a disabled button in the playback popupbox for -fixes. Thought for sure I saw it at one point but can't remember the button or how to trigger it.

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jams:

actually if anybody knows how to disable a button in a popup, that would work as well.

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troldrik:

directhex: gf9300/9400?

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directhex:

nothing gf8-based?

[15:38:43]

troldrik:

No gf8 igps

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troldrik:

oh.

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directhex:

8200/8300?

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troldrik:

8200/8300 for am2.... eewww

[15:39:27]

troldrik:

I'm not sure they're supported.

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troldrik:

should be but make sure.

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troldrik:

But intel is way better anyway. :p

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directhex:

i don't want "better", i want "cheaper"

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directhex:

especially in terms of running costs

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directhex:

and in terms of "not costing me any money to do" costs

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troldrik:

Intel is cooler running.

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troldrik:

oh.. you have an am2 cpu already?

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directhex:

TDP is higher for core2 than athlon 64 ee

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directhex:

troldrik, i have a pentium-d 820. yeah, i know.

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directhex:

130W, no speedstep.

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troldrik:

AMD doesn't quote maximum usage.

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troldrik:

And the 45nm c2d TDP's didn't get lowered, but they're way cooler running.

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Solaris444:

justinh: why would anyone care about youtube on mythtv?

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directhex:

troldrik, which IGP can i use on 775? no viddypow is bad, plug-in gpu is bad, and needing to look at celeron to compete with amd pricing is bad

[15:47:25]

Solaris444:

directhex, why is IGP so important?

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troldrik:

gf9300/9400

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Solaris444:

what's wrong with a heatsink based geforce 8200 or something?

[15:48:33]

Enox:

I keep getting "Screen(s) found, but none have usable configuration." With the nvidia driver. Anyone have a guess on how to fix this?

[15:49:36]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Enox: Sounds like you updated your kernel and didn't re-compile the nvidia driver...

[15:49:45]

Enox:

It's a straight Cd install.

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Enox:

So nothing is compiled. It's mythbuntu

[15:50:19]

Enox:

Could it be that it can't find a reasonable resolution? I'm not sure where that is specified.

[15:50:26]

directhex:

hm, my usual retailer doesn't have 9x00 boards

[15:50:29]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Enox: Then I'm not sure ... is there a #mythbuntu channel perhaps?

[15:50:44]

Enox:

Seems to be..thanks

[15:50:45]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Enox: It's specified in /etc/X11/xorg.conf

[15:51:26]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Enox: (or may not be specified, in which case it uses EDID data...)

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directhex:

9300 seems... new

[15:53:35]

Enox:

There's not much in that file.

[15:53:42]

Enox:

A color debth selection of 24

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wylie:

anyone on with a hauppauge hd-pvr?

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Enox:

No resolutions or anything.

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Solaris444:

here's a question, anyone know why mythtv's transcode tool would be producing videos that have the audio out of sync?

[15:56:07]

Solaris444:

every single one i have done has produced out of sync video.

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gbee:

http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/newtheme_watchrec.png & ndash; unfinished of course, but I'm please enough with it that I thought I'd share

[16:03:37]

Chutt:

nice.

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Chutt:

what'd be even better if the middle was video, and the others were images.. :p

[16:04:41]

gbee:

well I'm hoping it can be once the video widget is done

[16:05:03]

Chutt:

right

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directhex:

wait, 9x00 is i730/750? ouch, expensive

[16:06:53]

gbee:

but to work well it would need to allow masking of the video and maybe the ability to render over the top of the video

[16:07:25]

gbee:

this is where I really don't know enough about video rendering :/

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mythrookie:

hi

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mythrookie:

what does this error mean : TFW, Error: Opening file '/mnt/data/11601_20090108180750.mpg'.

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mythrookie:

eno: Permission denied (13)

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mythrookie:

fixed chmod on mnt/data

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

gbee: looks great! ;-)

[16:28:38]

Solaris444:

gbee: holy crap that looks awesome.

[16:29:07]

Solaris444:

where can i get that theme when it's done?

[16:30:50]

gbee:

I'll make it available, I'll probably even put it into the official themes if we decide to throw out some of the old ones

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mythrookie:

mythtv scan is crap :/

[16:31:33]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

gbee: We should put a poll page up on the myth site ... which themes to keep, which to discard... ;-)

[16:31:58]

mythrookie:

i I have a twin lnb

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mythrookie:

it only scans one sattelite?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

mythrookie: nice way to make friends here – call the software 'crap'...

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mythrookie:

no

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mythrookie:

wasnt meant that way

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mythrookie:

its a setup error i guess

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mythrookie:

sorry

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mythrookie:

Does anyone have experience using myth tv with sattelites?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

mythrookie: I don't have sat on myth [I'm in the US], but I think you have to setup an input connection for each sat, and scan each one individually.

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mythrookie:

and how do i make a channel search ?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

mythrookie: My Sattelite is through 3 Dish Network STBs -> Hauppauge Tuners, so no scanning for me.

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mythrookie:

ok

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mythrookie:

the channel search in mythtv0.21 seems to require a frequenz ?

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mythrookie:

that is wierd

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mythrookie:

Full Scan (tuned)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

mythrookie: I don't have any experience with that, but IIRC, it needs a frequency to start with. — either the myth wiki or google searches should give you some leads...

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iamlindoro__:

I presume someone has pointed him at the DVB-S wiki page?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro__: I didn't yet — mythrookie Where are you located?

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iamlindoro__:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-S

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iamlindoro__:

And there's nothing weird about DVB-S requiring a frequency-- any sattelite software will require one, we are no different

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iamlindoro__:

er satellite

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mythrookie:

yes you are right

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iamlindoro__:

There are far too many possibilities for transponder frequency *not* to need one

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mythrookie:

seems they are preset by other software via Satoptions

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mythrookie:

thanks

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iamlindoro__:

You only need to provide an initial frequency and have one successful scan, then you can do a full scan of existing transponders which should pick up all the rest

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mythrookie:

i did that before

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mythrookie:

it stops after one transponder

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mythrookie:

i had to set the freq from the link

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iamlindoro__:

Then your transponder doesn't contain information about the others, keep trying other ones

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iamlindoro__:

You should attempt a full scan of existing after eacdh, one of them will eventually contain the referring information about all the others

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perilousapricot:

does anyone think xvba (ATI's video acceleration api) will be around long enough to build off of, or will they go to using VPVDA

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perilousapricot:

(or whatever nvidia's thing is called)

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iamlindoro__:

I don't expect them to just all over VDPAU

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iamlindoro__:

If all manufacturers go to a unified API it will take tooth-pulling

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sid3windr:

you accidentally the whole vdpau?

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iamlindoro__:

s/just/jump/

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sid3windr:

;)

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perilousapricot:

yeah, I guess it was just a dream

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sid3windr:

I don't think they'll use the same one

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sid3windr:

once nvidia invented the mobile universal graphics card slot for notebooks

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sid3windr:

which ati then ignored and made a "better" one ;)

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randombloke:

license deals make em money, or they wouldn't bother

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perilousapricot:

basically, I have a 5700 in my frontend now, which is working with xvmc, I got an ATI board for another machine (a 3650) then that machine broke, so I'd like to put it in my mythbox to speed up playing emulators

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perilousapricot:

but putting in the ATI card makes me lose the acceleration

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iamlindoro__:

You're not losing much, XvMc sucks

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randombloke:

there IS no acceleration of video with ATI gear. You're lucky if Xv works in their drivers. Your luck may vary depending on what hardware you own and which driver version you get

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perilousapricot:

iamlindoro__ yeah, but for whatever reason, I get stuttering with my frontend without it

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randombloke:

their new acceleration API has yet to bear any fruit, for various reasons

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randombloke:

perilousapricot: not enough Ghz?

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perilousapricot:

I know nothing about GPU programming, but it seems like you could do some magic with pixel shaders and not have to wait on ati/nvidia to expose the apis

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perilousapricot:

randombloke no, that's the weird thing, it's an older pentium 4 w/2.4 ghz

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randombloke:

it seems like room temperature fusion might be possible at some point in the future but we've yet to see a working example of it :P

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iamlindoro__:

That is intensely technical work that requires brilliant programmers and an exposed API for accessing the shaders

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perilousapricot:

I am neither a brilliant programmer nor do I have access to the API :(

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perilousapricot:

could you pipe it through openGL? they have a shader api

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randombloke:

is 2.4Ghz enough grunt to play $whatever, though.. that is the question....

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randombloke:

and no, quoting some bloke's wiki posting isn't gonna count as evidence

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perilousapricot:

maybe the problem is, I've cannibalised some older harddrives that are NTFS formatted

[17:17:27]

perilousapricot:

I _bought_ another harddrive, but it was a DOA from ebay, and it never got taken care of

[17:17:46]

perilousapricot:

anyways, ntfs performance sucks something terrible, so it might just be that

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perilousapricot:

but, i'm just watching SD stuff

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randombloke:

2.4Ghz should be plenty. your HDD performance must really suck

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perilousapricot:

it's definately that

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perilousapricot:

mount-ntfs chokes often

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randombloke:

best thing to do with NTFS formatted anything is to format it properly

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randombloke:

it needn't result in you losing anything either, provided you have space to copy files before you reformat :)

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gbee:

randombloke: I cracked room temperature fusion two years ago, but the reactor is currently in a closet while I figure out what colours to make it available in

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sid3windr:

well, ntfs access is slow as molasses

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sid3windr:

under linux

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iamlindoro__:

gbee: Brushed metal and tempered glass?

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randombloke:

gbee: should ask the -dev list. the debate will soon heat up enough to melt all the snow & ice we're currently experiencing

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randombloke:

rather than re-paint my shed (choosing the colour to paint it was becoming a mind-bending chore) I decided to burn it down instead

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randombloke:

now I can use the space for something else :)

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gbee:

iamlindoro__: how did you know? Yes, that how metallurgy got started, mockups for a cold fusion reactor turned into a theme for MythTV .. who would have thought?

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mythrookie:

found the error

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

perilousapricot: Umm... Why NTFS? You're running Linux, why not EXT3 or XFS or JFS???

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iamlindoro__:

It shows

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iamlindoro__:

;)

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mythrookie:

with the bad scan

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gbee:

;)

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mythrookie:

for some reason my dvb card returns Astra on switchposition 3

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mythrookie:

instead of 1

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randombloke:

that must be where many themers go wrong. they start out by tarting up an old shed

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iamlindoro__:

You wrongly assume there are many themers

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iamlindoro__:

;)

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mythrookie:

the problem now is that the mythtv settings only have a 2 way switvh

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mythrookie:

no 4 way

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mythrookie:

(0.21)

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iamlindoro__:

Uhh... are you talking about diseqc? You can absolutely have a 4 way switch

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mythrookie:

My capture dev only has swich

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iamlindoro__:

Change the number of ports when setting up the switch

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mythrookie:

which has 2ports (i cannot change that val)

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iamlindoro__:

Did you *read* the wiki page?

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mythrookie:

Yes sir

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iamlindoro__:

It even has *screenshots* of that part

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

mythrookie: Then you didn't change the "number of ports" for the switch from the default of 2 to 4 to match your switch...

[17:28:08]

mythrookie:

the screens are tooooootaly different from my software

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mythrookie:

i have 0.21

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randombloke:

iamlindoro__: the wiki page should have hooks into mythtv-setup & do everything for the user. sheesh

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mythrookie:

(thanks but iam reading the wiki)

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iamlindoro__:

randombloke: Only way to sidestep the sadly-necessary "follow directions" step

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perilousapricot:

j-e-f-f-a|work because until I get a new harddrive to put the old data from the NTFS partitions on, I can't nuke them :(

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mythrookie:

ohhh goooooood

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mythrookie:

this gui is a shocker :D

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mythrookie:

i had to change the switch type

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mythrookie:

ofcourse

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iamlindoro__:

So much for having read

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** J-e-f-f-A|work laughs... **

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mythrookie:

no i did read it but .. could change it

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mythrookie:

but because of keyboard user dumbness

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iamlindoro__:

we call that PEBKAC

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro__: ^^ hehe, I was just typing that!

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randombloke:

comprehension is quite a different thing to reading... yet another problem in the field of computing

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randombloke:

and indeed with all kinds of written word :)

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mythrookie:

pebkac

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mythrookie:

?

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iamlindoro__:

Problem Exists Between Keyboard and Chair

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mythrookie:

Yes indeed.

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mythrookie:

:) I apologize

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mythrookie:

Tabbing trough the mythtv-setup is pain tough :p

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gbee:

no-one is going to disgree with you

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gbee:

but this is opensource, things improve if you are prepared to do them yourself

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro__: Gee, I was gonna use this on him: http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=PEBKAC

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iamlindoro__:

Heh

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randombloke:

an alternative would be to fork mythtv into many different branches, each supporting different features. oops. that has problems of its own. like what happens when somebody wants parts of one in another part? whoops

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iamlindoro__:

I'm just happy becasue at least now there's a DVB-S page *period*

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mythrookie:

I love sucking at setting up my diseqc

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro__: yep. ;-)

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iamlindoro__:

justi^H^H^H randombloke: Ah, but what about when XBMC decides to be a DVR?

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mythrookie:

because i will have an Amazing dvb-s box

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randombloke:

I stay away from the wiki these days. it's a den of depressing comments

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iamlindoro__:

"Why MythTV Sucks"

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro__: I updated the trunk lcd client last-night – I will probably submit the patch tonight. ;-)

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iamlindoro__:

J-e-f-f-A|work: nice

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randombloke:

iamlindoro__: what about it? it'll crash just as often as it does now but at least it'll look 'nice'

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randombloke:

no doubt it'll automagically seed your recordings too

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

randombloke: 0.21-fixes doesn't crash for me...

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randombloke:

for the XBMC TV 'cloud'

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iamlindoro__:

randombloke: Remind me to paraphrase a conversation I heard about that topic from their devs once

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randombloke:

I remember seeing it

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iamlindoro__:

joke's on them when they realize the backend's not written in python

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gbee:

much like I hope you don't walk into other people's houses making comments like "This place is a shit hole", it's not really appropriate to make rude comments about mythtv to the people who give up their time to actually contribute to it's development

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iamlindoro__:

well put

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randombloke:

I can't even get the latest build of XBMC for windows to start let alone run. they seem to think it's somehow MY problem.. same goes for all the other forum posters with the same issue

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gbee:

traitor

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perilousapricot:

gbee :)

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randombloke:

a traitor has to have allegiances in the first place to become a traitor :)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

wait, how'd you get in here without taking "The Oath"?

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randombloke:

tried wearing my heart on my sleeve about mythtv once upon a time. what a wasted effort that was. though then again I was probably taking it to the wrong place

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iamlindoro__:

I've listened to a lecture for the last 20 minutes about what a SELECT query is

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iamlindoro__:

yay training

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randombloke:

lol

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perilousapricot:

iamlindoro__ glad I'm gonna be in academia forever :)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro__: Learning SQL?

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iamlindoro__:

J-e-f-f-A|work: No, Discussion of the SQL backend to our new PLM software

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro__: I used to be anti-SQL until about 7 yrs ago... then I started using it and there was no looking back... ;-) (Enscribe files on Tandem have many relational properties, but still aren't as good as SQL)

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iamlindoro__:

It's mostly just a high-level discussion in this case, the class is about administration of the software itself

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iamlindoro__:

Just amused by a 20 minute discussion of what SELECT is

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gbee:

"retrieves stuff from this thing called a database" class dismissed

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Shadow__X:

hmm we can use wildcards you say

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iamlindoro__:

Especially sad given you never actually use any queries, it's explaining how the software does it for you

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iamlindoro__:

so yeah, "The data's in a database. The end."

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perilousapricot:

okay

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perilousapricot:

I'm about to melt my head, I got roped (trolled, probably) into explaining QM to someoen who thinks the world is deterministic

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

perilousapricot: visit http://letmegooglethatforyou.com and enter the search text, then post the resulting link to them... [or even the tinyurl]

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randombloke:

hmmm. upcoming EEE with builty in telly tuna. suppose it'll come with loonix drivers. you know what that means!

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iamlindoro__:

"PERFECT LIGHT SMALL QUIET CHUBBY INDUCING MYTH BOX"

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nobody99:

hi

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nobody99:

is someone here who could help me to get ofdp.py to work?

[18:18:02]

nobody99:

I get charset errors :(

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nobody99:

http://pastebin.com/m2494531

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mchou:

perilousapricot: it is deterministic if you by the many-worlds interpretation of QM

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mchou:

s/by/buy

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mchou:

perilousapricot: it's not so farfetched since branes in string theory also supports that interpretation

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

randombloke: ATI gfx though?

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iamlindoro__:

J-e-f-f-A|work: Should be fine by all accounts

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro__: Even with mpeg4/H.264 on the horizon?

[18:21:35]

iamlindoro__:

J-e-f-f-A|work: Just won't do XvBA when it comes along, apparently (I think they're 3xxx series?)

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iamlindoro__:

Then again, They may get it enabled on those chips eventually

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Looks pretty neat... and the B204 has a "Built-in battery that performs a U.P.S. function", plus HDMI and Bluetooth... neat...

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Anduin:

nobody99: it isn't your patch on #5947?

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nobody99:

yes it is mine

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nobody99:

and th epatch works but poster search doesn't work and I don't know hy

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nobody99:

hy=why

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Anduin:

nobody99: I'll look at it tonight, see if I can get something committed

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nobody99:

oh that would be fantastic

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nobody99:

I had a look the last hour but my python knowlege is not sooo well:)

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Anduin:

I keep skipping that ticket as easy but with no one really complaining about it

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nobody99:

what? sorry I don't understand

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iamlindoro__:

He will try to fix it tonight

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nobody99:

hehe

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nobody99:

ok

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nobody99:

thanx

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d0netsFN:

hey what are the default flash streaming settings in mythweb?

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d0netsFN:

i messed with mine and now my recordings wont stream

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d0netsFN:

i hit reset but it doesnt reest them

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iamlindoro__:

320x240 256K/64k IIRC

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dustybin:

'^[Ii]amlindoro{2}_'

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

d0netsFN: I don't recall if I changed mine, but it's set to: 400x300, Video 512kbps, Audio 64kbps

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iamlindoro__:

yes, you changed it :)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

d0netsFN: (but I may have changed it since I've got a 2Mbps upsream pipe... ;-) )

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iamlindoro__:

(At least I'm pretty sure you did)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro__: hehe...

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** directhex orders his new backend **

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iamlindoro__:

leave your personal life out of this

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Shadow__X:

does it have lights

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iamlindoro__:

I have a wire cutter than loves blue LEDs

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iamlindoro__:

stupidest addition to PCs ever

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Shadow__X:

EL wire better?

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directhex:

Shadow__X, i'm keeping the old chassis, so no

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Shadow__X:

aww shucks

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gbee:

but it's blue!

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iamlindoro__:

Hissssssss!

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ipstatic:

Hello all

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ipstatic:

Anyone here have a Hauppauge HVR-1600, and have gotten their remote to work?

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ipstatic:

lirc "sees" the card as a pvr-150 (which is what the 1600 uses for analog capture) in dmesg

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ipstatic:

but irw outputs nothing

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defaultro:

Good afternoon everyone. I would like to dump comcast to save some money. However, which provider would you suggest? I'm in IL

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iamlindoro__:

If you want to save money, just do OTA

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_abbenormal:

not a good ? as most dont know who your options are in the area you live in

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iamlindoro__:

If you have a paid provider then you will always be paying comparably

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_abbenormal:

hi iamlindoro__

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iamlindoro__:

hi _abbenormal

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_abbenormal:

so looks like life is treating you well

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iamlindoro__:

Heh, I dunno about "well"... but it's still there :)

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_abbenormal:

lol

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_abbenormal:

i know the feeling

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_abbenormal:

my year is starting out on a good note the company i was working for is no longer open so ive got to find a new one to work for or change jobs to something else got to love the economy wonder if i can file for a bailout lol

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Shadow__X:

let me know if that goes through _abbenormal i got soome student loans i dont want to pay

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_abbenormal:

lol g/l

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kisak:

hello again

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iamlindoro^:

Grr, stupid IE

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_abbenormal:

lol

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_abbenormal:

another happy windows user

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kisak:

I just pondered an idea, I have a mythtv backend with 2x PVR150

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defaultro:

thanks ialinidor

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iamlindoro^:

Stuck using it this week, piece of junk

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defaultro:

iamlindoro

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mythrookie:

ok i managed to set myth tv up :D

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mythrookie:

works (kindof)

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kisak:

how would I go about being able to use one of the composite-in ports?

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_abbenormal:

yup i not a fan of it but have to use it when i setup others that do

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mythrookie:

video is a bit laggy any ideas on how to fix that (wiki link if you want)

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randombloke:

video is a bit laggy? what does "mythfrontend -v playback" report?

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Shadow__X:

i am having a issue with guide data i have 3 video source all of which have the same channel when i have 2 sources enable the channel the guide data is correct but when i enable the third the listing data is incorrect i already edited the channel information such as xmltv code channel name and number but it still changes the guide information when enabled

[19:27:56]

gbee:

disable Bob deinterlacing? Change the CPU Profile from CPU+ to CPU-?

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randombloke:

depends what 'laggy' means really

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mythrookie:

audio is smooth

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mythrookie:

video is trying to catch up

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mythrookie:

a bit choppy / slow

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mythrookie:

changing profiles

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mythrookie:

doesnt really help

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mythrookie:

checking report randombloke

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mythrookie:

(do i need opengl?)

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randombloke:

do you need opengl? maybe. maybe you need Xv. maybe that info is in the playback output log

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mythrookie:

=)

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mythrookie:

the whole thin froze a bit sry

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kisak:

can a pvr 150 capture from composite and coax at the same time?

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randombloke:

kisak: no

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randombloke:

at the same time as another pvr150 card, yes :)

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randombloke:

kisak: for that you need a pvr500

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kisak:

what do I do to prevent composite from interfering with normal use?

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randombloke:

eh?

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iamlindoro__:

If you mean with interfering with the use of the tuner, you can't.

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iamlindoro__:

PVR-150 = one recording at a time no matter what input

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iamlindoro__:

So if you us one, the others are blocked from use

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iamlindoro__:

use

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kisak:

well, I don't want composite to stop pre-scheduled programs from being recorded

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iamlindoro__:

and yet it would

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randombloke:

it won't, if you don't select it

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randombloke:

:)

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iamlindoro__:

so buy another card, or don't use it

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randombloke:

so in your case, you need another tuner card – use its composite input

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Shadow__X:

any idea as why when i enable another channel from a video source that 2 other video source have the channel on my listing information changes

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randombloke:

Shadow__X: sorry. can you repeat that in English?

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mythrookie:

Your video is not capable of displaying with full framerate

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mythrookie:

is one message

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mythrookie:

lot of frame drops

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randombloke:

mythrookie: sounds like you need Xv in your video card driver

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randombloke:

mythrookie: that usually means installing binary drivers for ATI or Nvidia

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randombloke:

or putting that SiS piece of crap in the bin :)

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mythrookie:

sweeeet i love that

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mythrookie:

thanks for your help

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Shadow__X:

randombloke, i have 3 video sources all of them have the same channel when source 2 and 3 are enabled the channel g uide info is correct but when the first video source has the channel enabled the listing info is incorrect

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randombloke:

why do you have 3 video sources if all of them have the same channels?

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Shadow__X:

eh randombloke i was do an over simplification i have qam analog and recording from the cable box

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randombloke:

you can easily link many tuners with one video source, if all the lineups are the same :)

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Shadow__X:

there is going to overlap

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randombloke:

you mean the video sources have channels in common with one another, not that they all have the same channels

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Shadow__X:

the issue is with qam when i put in the information for the channel it comes up with the wrong listing information

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iamlindoro__:

If you have three sources with the same channel and you want to only see one channel, th all need to have the same callsign and channum

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Shadow__X:

yes they have channels in common

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro, i changed the call sign xmltv number to match

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** randombloke has another toke on his crack pipe **

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Shadow__X:

but when its enabled it isnt correct

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iamlindoro__:

call sign and xmltv number are totally different,

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randombloke:

if you change the xmltvid of a channel, nothing will change until you run mythfilldatabase

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iamlindoro__:

You have messed something up-- like I said, if they have identical channum and callsign (meaning NOT 2 and 2–1, but both 2, and NOT KORN and KORN-DT, but both KORN) then they will take up the same space

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro, thats what i want it to do

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iamlindoro__:

So... do it.

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iamlindoro__:

christ

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randombloke:

this is why I never bothered allowing overlap between cable & dvb-t

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Shadow__X:

lol nvm thanks though

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Shadow__X:

eh some people

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iamlindoro__:

sme people who aren't able to read and follow basic instructions? Yeah, those people, e?

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Shadow__X:

thanks randombloke i think i just forgot to run mythdatabase

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Shadow__X:

yeah iamlindoro precisely \

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randombloke:

yup. some people. I thought everyone in the country where QAM cable is available could speak plain English & use basic punctuation. Seems I was wrong in assuming that

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Shadow__X:

never assume

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mythrookie:

omg

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mythrookie:

my gfx is a Riva TNT 16MB

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mythrookie:

tnt2

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mythrookie:

-.-

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iamlindoro__:

Yes, that out to work fabulously for 1080p

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randombloke:

mythrookie: heheheh that'd do it. sucky McSuck from Sucksville

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iamlindoro__:

Pretty sure it'll play Crysis at full resolutions and settings too

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mythrookie:

:D

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iamlindoro__:

s/out/ought/

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randombloke:

iamlindoro__: yeah I just checked. in my head, it worked fine

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randombloke:

looked amazing too

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mythrookie:

so intalling the driver will not help ?

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iamlindoro__:

like real life (If I were to go outside and confirm, thatis)

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randombloke:

even the undocumented feature where the GPU can be used as a co-processor so even my epia 1Ghz could play crysis just fine

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randombloke:

mythrookie: I doubt it, but you have nothing to lose by trying

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mythrookie:

leeets goooo

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iamlindoro__:

randombloke: I heard from a guy on the mailing list that I can record all my channels on many tuners 24/7, but that MBE is too leaky to be stable

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randombloke:

if there even are tnt2 drivers

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mythrookie:

there are

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mythrookie:

wonder if get them running on current kernel

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randombloke:

mythrookie: if they give you Xv, you're good. if not, get a new card whose drivers do offer Xv

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randombloke:

e.g. Intel, ATI or Nvidia

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randombloke:

or basically just ATI or Nvidia since Intel don't make graphics cards ;)

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mythrookie:

Nvidia Driver

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mythrookie:

and yes it is supposed to give me Xv

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randombloke:

blimey. something that old supported by the 'nvidia' driver? I'm surprised

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GreyFoxx:

the legacy driver maybe, but not the current one

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GreyFoxx:

they have a legacy branch

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randombloke:

ahhh

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randombloke:

figures :)

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GreyFoxx:

woop new nvidia beta driver today

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Chutt:

non-beta

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GreyFoxx:

ack, it's a release

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GreyFoxx:

Sweet

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gbee:

http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/newtheme_watchrec2.png

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GreyFoxx:

so I updated my xbox360 the other day and now it's no longer showing any content via upnp from my backend :)

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** GreyFoxx wonders what they changed :) **

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GreyFoxx:

gbee: Are you gonna have any of the inprogress recording/transcoding stuff on that one?

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gbee:

now _these_ screenshots and the ones from iamlindoro etc in recent days I wouldn't mind being published in a review of mythui ... rather than that article a month back which used all the tech demo stuff which was pretty rough

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GreyFoxx:

and they could be used to update the shots on mythtv.org ;)

[20:03:05]

GreyFoxx:

that old blue menu shot is still getting mileage :)

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randombloke:

wow. that's a way and a half to go gbee

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gbee:

GreyFoxx: if I can decide where to squeeze it in, then yes

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gbee:

it could overlay the preview image

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GreyFoxx:

Your animated circle in rotating in just the lower corder or something ? :)

[20:04:41]

gbee:

right of the title will be the rating statetype and property icons

[20:04:59]

GreyFoxx:

the stuff you guys have been doing up looks really sweet

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gbee:

GreyFoxx: something like that

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GreyFoxx:

and I hope it inspires some newbie themers to get their hands dirty

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randombloke:

I hope it does too

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GreyFoxx:

The wiki should have a page that shows "this is what you all love about Aeon, and here is the same thing in mythui , and hereis the code to do it" :)

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gbee:

prefer the previews in this selection of recordings (which is why I keep using them in screenshots) http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/newtheme_watchrec.png

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GreyFoxx:

http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/mimic3.png I love this layout

[20:07:25]

randombloke:

not sure, maybe it could do with dividing lines in the horizontal list

[20:07:26]

GreyFoxx:

the fanart stuff would make that really nice

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GreyFoxx:

gbee: the vista views in that first one look nice :)

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gbee:

randombloke: yeah, thinking I'd try that to see how it looked

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GreyFoxx:

Maybe it's time for a libmythmeta for handling the pulling of all fanart/posters/meta data for shows, movies and music

[20:08:58]

GreyFoxx:

handle the grabbing and caching

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GreyFoxx:

and could be make to happen automagically without the frontend running or being manually kicked off

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randombloke:

rather than inspire me though, all these fancy screenshots just make me hate what I've done so far even more, and ashamed. that's the crux of it

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gbee:

GreyFoxx: the rightmost image in that screenshot is Stanage Edge, which is just north of me here, frequently go hiking up in that area

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GreyFoxx:

nice. I love a good hike

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GreyFoxx:

just hard to get the wife to go, especially since our little one came along

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GreyFoxx:

though now that my daughter is old enough it's time to get her into it

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gbee:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanage_Edge

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gbee:

btw I'm allowing room in the design of the watch recordings screen for the display of fanart behind the list/text should someone ever add it for recordings

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gbee:

to mirror – http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/newtheme_real.png

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gbee:

well it's downhill from here, theming most of the other screens is going to be pretty dull in comparison

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GreyFoxx:

hehehe

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gbee:

mythmusic should be interesting, but without pretty pictures as the focal point there isn't much you can do elsewhere :(

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gbee:

any list of changes to go with that new driver?

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GreyFoxx:

nothing showing the .18 to .22 changes that I can find

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GreyFoxx:

I've been looking for the last little bit trying to find something

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iamlindoro__:

gbee: I plan to use the pretty pictures as a focal point in MythMusic :)

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iamlindoro__:

Right now my current plan is to include user-fillable directories for music and TV fanart, and (hopefully) that the MyhVideo Fanart will be in there by default for that part

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poodyp:

is the password the mythtv user uses important? or can I change it to something I know so I can actually use it for things?

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iamlindoro__:

gbee: Still need the ability to asign a directory as an image for randomization to do that, though :)

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dfgas:

where is a good place to get videos and movies like hulu?

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iamlindoro__:

Jeez, after getting teased in #mythtv you didn't even write the question better?

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kisak:

dfgas: can you name any other dvr that uses hulu?

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kisak:

oh, and hi iamlindoro__

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justinh:

dunno what the big fuss is about hulu.. I mean only people in the US can use it :)

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iamlindoro__:

"...withouth using a proxy"

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iamlindoro__:

I hate this keyboard

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justinh:

though broadcasters here are talking about making a common platform for internet-based TV

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gbee:

poodyp: password can be anything you want

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GreyFoxx:

justinh: yeah. I'd try it out myelf if it didn't kick me out for being from canada

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GreyFoxx:

but most of their sites that let you watch shows do

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GreyFoxx:

abc.com, cbs.com etc

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Shadow__X:

justinh, http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/06/accessin . . . ited-states/

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justinh:

IIRC when hulu was first announced somebody was talking about integrating it into myth already. looks like somebody ran into problems of some sort ;)

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Shadow__X:

hmm

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gbee:

someone was talking about it just a few days ago IIRC

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iamlindoro__:

justinh: Sounds like the normal "Bigger mouth than coding skills"

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justinh:

nah this was _ages_ ago

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Shadow__X:

http://www.raymond.cc/blog/archives/2008/10/2 . . . alternative/

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justinh:

and IIRC somebody was saying they'd been approached with a view to writing it for mythtv

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Shadow__X:

2 ways to use

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GreyFoxx:

It was brought up again a couple days ago

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justinh:

Shadow__X: seriously, if I cared much about hulu I'd likely already know ;)

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Shadow__X:

just trying to help justinh :)

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justinh:

having only a 10mbit download pipe, and greatly overloaded & limited broadband.. even youtube gets unusable in the evenings

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justinh:

funny though, BBC iPlayer is generally ok :)

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Shadow__X:

hmm

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jduggan:

justinh: bbc have some caching proxy in virgins network

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jduggan:

:D

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jduggan:

IIRC

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gbee:

I believe Chutt is interested in Hulu integration, so it's not just idle talk, but then Chutt is busier than the rest of us

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justinh:

just googled mythtv hulu & stumbled upon kkuphal's wiki page

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iamlindoro__:

Chutt's busy seems to yield more than many people's idle (at least those talkinabout doing Hulu for myth)

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gbee:

yeah some ISPs, including Virgin have caches and routes setup specifically to optimise iPlayer

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justinh:

well, whatever happens behind the scenes it works nicely ta very much :)

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gbee:

big fat pipes to the BBC

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justinh:

it probably still counts as bytes downloaded in traffic shaping terms though

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jduggan:

yep

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jduggan:

it does

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justinh:

anyway, with a PVR you don't need online TV so much :)

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gbee:

reminds me that there was recent talk of Virgin rethinking their throttling to be a little more targetted, but I've heard nothing more on the issue

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poodyp:

gbee: thanks

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justinh:

yeah they were talking about shaping bittorrent traffic first

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justinh:

that'd make a nice difference to me, since I don't use BT

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gbee:

probably come to nothing, the moment they lift the limits on certain traffic all the pirates will just start encrypting or massaging things to fool the filters

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jduggan:

heh, lets hope their approach is a little more foolproof than comcasts send an rst approach

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jduggan:

...ignore the rst and your torrents still come through

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justinh:

then again if they're sniffing for protocols it might affect everybody's network performance

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justinh:

dunno much about how that stuff works

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gbee:

modern packet inspection stuff is supposed to be uber fast

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jduggan:

every ISP in britain inspects packets ;)

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gbee:

it's specifically tailored hardware

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jduggan:

i've personally seen the 'black boxes', totally unmarked, no serials, no identification, insides tiscalis network

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jduggan:

home office owned

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gbee:

jduggan: even more if Our Beloved Leader gets his way

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justinh:

heh. virtual t-pieces going to cheltenham

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Shadow__X:

encrypt everything

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Shadow__X:

lol

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justinh:

Shadow__X: no use if you have to provide the keys on pain of being sent to gitmo

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Shadow__X:

hmm

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gbee:

aye, refuse to incriminate yourself and you go straight to gaol

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justinh:

don't worry though, if you're innocent you have nothing to fear. apart from the bogeyman

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jduggan:

former colleague left us to be a senior engineer @ tiscali, when he was on a late shift, he brought me down for a tour, and to prove the black boxes, theyre locked away in a tiny sweet, a pair of them about 6u each

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Shadow__X:

nice

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jduggan:

justinh: lol, bogey or boogey?

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gbee:

welcome to the Soviet Union

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Shadow__X:

privacy is also nice

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justinh:

Shadow__X: it used to be, when we had it

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Shadow__X:

right

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justinh:

ever wonder how they snare so many tourists when all they ever say is they intercepted instant messages and/or sms? ;)

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justinh:

they must be right inside MSN, yahoo et al too

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gbee:

only I think even the Soviets/KGB/Stasi wouldn't have thought of some of the things the UK government are pushing forward

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Shadow__X:

lol no

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jduggan:

justinh: no, MSN conversation is not encrypted, they can just parse traffic @ the ISP blackbox

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jduggan:

:)

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Shadow__X:

ecrypt ontop of encryp

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Shadow__X:

lol

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justinh:

and the stuff they manage to drag up about paedos from their IM conversations... that means somebody's logging a LOT of stuff somewhere, somehow

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jduggan:

fuckin paedo's should learn to use silc

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gbee:

why did the US feel they had to liberate Iraq from Saddam, but not the UK from Blair/Brown? We actually have WMDs ...

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jduggan:

;p

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jduggan:

gbee: haha

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Shadow__X:

gbee, because we are friends

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iamlindoro__:

gbee: you do not want us to come live there for a few decades

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laga:

justinh: they probably got the logs from those guy's hard drives

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justinh:

gbee: lol. irony is they're prolly more free than we are. people talk about 1984 surveillance 'coming' but it's already here & too late to stop

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justinh:

the extra legislation they're talking about now is only going to make putting 2 and 2 together (to get 6) easier & less time-consuming for them. pesky court orders getting in the way, etc

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iamlindoro__:

This ends with justinh wearing a mask and trotting about with Natalie Portman

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gbee:

aye, we long surpassed what Orwell described in 1984 ... Orwell's nightmare would actually be a nice holiday destination in comparison

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gbee:

Free us, I'm begging you! *screech* *bang* *thud* *thud*

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hadees:

damn i just found out about the imdb script going away, i mean i like themoviedb.org in concept but i hope it works as well as imdb

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gbee:

iamlindoro__: if I thought that having a totalitarian government would bring me closer to Natalie Portman ... Vive, Brown El Presidente for life

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jduggan:

the imdb script is being removed?

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gbee:

yes

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iamlindoro__:

has been

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jduggan:

in .22?

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jduggan:

ic

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gbee:

not legal, breaks their rules and we failed to get permission

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jduggan:

is that for licensing/copyright reasons

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jduggan:

makes sense

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iamlindoro__:

If people want TMDB to work as well as IMDB they should start submitting their films now

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gbee:

hadees: tmdb has MUCh higher res artwork/posters

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iamlindoro__:

and if someone wants to work on a "submit this to TMDB" feature that'd probably be okay too

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hadees:

gbee, i did notice that

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jduggan:

the tmdb user contributed?

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iamlindoro__:

100%

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jduggan:

tbh, surprised someone hasn't parsed all of imdb and injected into tmdb

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jduggan:

;P

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gbee:

yeah, it's wiki-esque

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jduggan:

for all that doesnt exist

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iamlindoro__:

jduggan: It would all get ripped out gain

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iamlindoro__:

er again

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jduggan:

isnt imdb synopsis, the official synopsis?

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gbee:

jduggan: we've told TMDB that if that happens we won't be able to use them and they seem genuinely interested in preventing people plageurising content

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gbee:

jduggan: no, it's either written by IMDB editors or user submitted

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jduggan:

interesting, i thought it was the official movie synopsis

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jduggan:

makes sense then

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sandeen:

I'm doing HDTV w/ myth, with separate front & back ends. Playing recorded HDTV works fine; playing live HDTV is choppy. What can I do to debug and/or file a useful bug report?

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sandeen:

when the backend was combined front+back, live HDTV was fine (or at least better than this)

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jduggan:

are you using wireless?

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sandeen:

nope

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sandeen:

both boxes have gig-e but connected through a 100Mbps switch

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jduggan:

check network utlization

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sandeen:

I checked it, it's 20Mb/s

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sandeen:

and why would this differ for prerecorded vs. live?

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jduggan:

ah

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jduggan:

nod

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jduggan:

hrm...

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sandeen:

(20Mb/s for live... honestly did not check prerecorded, but ...)

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iamlindoro__:

sandeen: if you pause live TV for a bit and unpause, is it okay for a bit?

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jduggan:

maybe the nic driver on the backend is crap

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jduggan:

system is under load and cant send out data quick enough

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sandeen:

I tried that too; trying to remember now ... it was not much better, IIRC

[21:19:53]

sandeen:

jduggan, but would this only affect live tv?

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jduggan:

sandeen: yes because its recording and streaming at the same time

[21:20:25]

sandeen:

jduggan, oh I see what you mean. perhaps.

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sandeen:

I guess the next test might be watch a prerecorded show while recording another

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sandeen:

to check that theory.

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jduggan:

can you record a HD stream, then watch a pre-recorded HD video

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jduggan:

although this doesnt quite dis-prove my theory

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jduggan:

:P

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sandeen:

I'll try that

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jduggan:

it makes it less likely

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sandeen:

I don't think there's a lot of load on the system from recording HD, though

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sandeen:

still, I'll give that a shot.

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sandeen:

iamlindoro__, if pause/unpause helps (I should try one more time), any suggestions?

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jams:

sandeen- stop using beta filesystems ;)

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sandeen:

pfft

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sandeen:

I'm not, as ashamed as I may be to admit it ;)

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jams:

hehehe

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justinh:

only time I've ever seen playback have gaps since replacing the epia junk setup is when I was trying to transfer a lot of stuff over samba from a windows box

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justinh:

went with an external HDD middleman solution instead ;)

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mythrookie:

remember the idiot with the tnt2 and opengl ?

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mythrookie:

runs smooooooooooth

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mythrookie:

:) thanks for help random guy

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shadn__:

Hey I like my only tnt2

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Shadow__X:

i gotz on of thems

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mythrookie:

thankyou myth tv runs

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mythrookie:

Cheeeeers!!!!!!

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justinh:

one day those open source nvidia drivers might hit on the idea that Xv is kind of cool to have, but by then maybe it won't even matter for mythtv :)

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shadn__:

someone should make a theme out of these... http://stereogrammes.org/v/Sphinks_001.jpg.html

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iamlindoro__:

And call it epilepsy-wide?

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justinh:

somebody should make a wall-hung trophy out of people who suggest things like that

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justinh:

if you stare at it for long enough you can actually see the programme guide! :-O

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mythrookie:

eyecancer theme ?

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kisak:

doesn't nouveau support xv?

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justinh:

kisak: if it did, would so many people have mythtv playback problems on nvidia kit using non-binary drivers?

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iamlindoro__:

They wanted to, but they spent all the time they were going to spend writing that coming up with a witty name

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justinh:

I think not :)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

ooh, new nvidia drivers... ;-)

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kisak:

justinh: http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FeatureMatrix

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** iamlindoro__ wonders if people get the whole "stable driver != VDPAU is out of alpha" **

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justinh:

kisak: ok, so I'm wrong on that score. must be some other reason for playback suffering then

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro__: Yeah, I know... ;-)

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iamlindoro__:

Their Xv implementation may just suuuuuuuck

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justinh:

not having fast enough xv can cause even the most meaty of systems to struggle playing SDTV

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justinh:

(assuming no alternative renderer is available to the player)

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Shadow__X:

hmm kinda wish there was a notifier for when you said suck like that

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justinh:

there was slurpage

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Shadow__X:

so i called comcast for my missing qam and my box having issues and they said

[21:54:05]

Shadow__X:

they sent a signal for my qam issue

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justinh:

bollocks. the recording rule for Hustle seems to have gone missing, presumed deleted.. so it'll be the iPlayer for the first new episode. bah

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iamlindoro__:

Sure they did

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iamlindoro__:

Did you then explain how signals are transferred in a broadcast medium?

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hadees:

anyone recommend a good case to use as a bedroom mythtv frontend? i'm trying to find something that can hold a motherboard that can handle intenstive hd but still look good, i wanted to get the new macmini for that but looks like it isn't comming out soon if at all

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Shadow__X:

not didnt bother

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Shadow__X:

i wuill call back though

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Shadow__X:

lol

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justinh:

hadees: something with a top & a bottom.. two sides & a front and a back. it might need some kind of power supply unit to give the system juice too. and a nice bracket to fit a HDD to

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hadees:

justinh, lol thanks

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simcop2387:

i'm just glad that my nvidia card supports it still

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kisak:

justinh: I think I have a spare one of those or 6

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justinh:

probably something made by antec or silverstone (if your wallet can stretch that far) which'll accomodate a small ATX form factor C2D board with nvidia integrated video (VIDDYPOW capable of course)

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iamlindoro__:

POW!

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justinh:

that's about as close to a mac mini as you're gonna get so long as they ain't doing one with nvidia onboard

[21:57:46]

justinh:

and the word from CES was, they ain't.. apparently

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justinh:

or at least they didn't say they were gonna.. so I'd take that as a no

[21:58:08]

mchou:

forget it

[21:58:09]

justinh:

CES/Macworld thingy

[21:58:16]

iamlindoro__:

That upcoming Zotac mini itx board w/ 9300 has promise

[21:58:26]

mchou:

get an atom and stic an nvidia card in it

[21:58:33]

iamlindoro__:

more or less Apple TV/ Mac Mini size too

[21:58:34]

mchou:

stick*

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mchou:

problem solved

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jackson__:

would this make a great mythtv frontend? http://www.theonion.com/content/video/apple_i . . . bedded_video

[21:59:05]

justinh:

jackson__: yeah. wheel ftw!

[21:59:18]

jackson__:

heh

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justinh:

and then apple went & invented THE WHEEL

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Shadow__X:

hey iamlindoro that signal they sent sure enough fixed my problem

[22:00:23]

Shadow__X:

too bad i am lieing

[22:00:40]

Shadow__X:

lying

[22:00:52]

iamlindoro__:

Hey, it could be true if you had that homebrew linux cablecard thing you whipped up last night

[22:01:00]

Shadow__X:

lol

[22:01:05]

Shadow__X:

forgot about that

[22:01:06]

perilousapricot:

iamlindoro__ given that xvmc sucks, is it better than doing it all in software?

[22:01:11]

Shadow__X:

damn cant undermine myself

[22:01:15]

iamlindoro__:

perilousapricot: If at all possible, yes

[22:01:35]

justinh:

haha "I'd buy anything, so long as it's shiny & made by Apple"

[22:01:44]

iamlindoro__:

ie if you have the CPU< definitely keep it in software

[22:01:44]

mchou:

xvmc sucks but it beats having just xv

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justinh:

lol.. "The computer is virtually unbreakable unless dropped or hit"

[22:02:09]

jackson__:

"Everything is just a few hundred clicks away"

[22:02:19]

perilousapricot:

is the newer nvidia acceleration much better? (i.e. worth getting a new card to do)

[22:02:31]

mchou:

perilousapricot: not yet

[22:02:38]

mchou:

perilousapricot: maybe later

[22:02:42]

perilousapricot:

course this machine only has AGP, so it'd be tricky to find an AGP gefore 9000

[22:02:45]

justinh:

perilousapricot: looking like a very definite YES. one day soon (ish). YMMV

[22:02:51]

iamlindoro__:

perilousapricot: Yes, VDPAU is much better in a number of ways than XvMc, bu still inconsistent as it's more or less alpha

[22:02:56]

Shadow__X:

"nothing is more simple then a giant button"

[22:03:28]

Shadow__X:

its just a overgrown ipod

[22:03:32]

iamlindoro__:

4–5 years from now CPU will make short work of h.264 and we will talk about how VDPAU sucks

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mchou:

perilousapricot: plenty old "plain jane" PCI video cards that support VDPAU

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sid3windr:

guys, my dvb-t card doesn't seem to work with mythtv; with tzap I get FE_HAS_LOCK fine; with tzap -r I can get a TS stream which is also fine... but mytyhtv shows me "35% signal quality" and "no lock" ... followed by "you should have gotten a lock by now"

[22:04:09]

perilousapricot:

mchou: are there AGP ones that do? I'd rather not burn a PCI slot

[22:04:09]

sid3windr:

anything I can try/check?

[22:04:14]

justinh:

iamlindoro__: I suspect as much.. but then the hype will all be about superhd acceleration in GPUs

[22:04:24]

mchou:

perilousapricot: dont think so

[22:04:37]

iamlindoro__:

justinh: hehe, most likely :)

[22:04:46]

justinh:

and we'll all be downloading 'poor' quality 1080p h.264 from youtube

[22:05:23]

justinh:

except me, cos I'm too highbrow for that kind of thing

[22:05:35]

justinh:

and too stingy to buy a HDTV

[22:05:48]

iamlindoro__:

By then the UK will have three HD channels, even!

[22:05:49]

laga:

and too cranky

[22:05:53]

perilousapricot:

does vdpau make it so you can decode HD on a sensible CPU?

[22:05:58]

iamlindoro__:

But "lots more coming on DVB-T3"

[22:06:03]

iamlindoro__:

perilousapricot: yes

[22:06:07]

kisak:

I'm just glad we got away from mpeg2 as the distribution standard

[22:06:18]

mchou:

kisak: what?

[22:06:21]

justinh:

perilousapricot: it removes the CPU from the equation

[22:06:32]

mchou:

kisak: what's wromg with mpeg2?

[22:06:37]

mchou:

wrong*

[22:06:40]

sphery:

I have a Linksys router running OpenWRT, which is Linux. Could I use it as a frontend with a VDPAU-capable video card?

[22:06:51]

mchou:

sphery: yes :)

[22:06:54]

Shadow__X:

of course

[22:06:54]

laga:

sphery: does it have USB ports?

[22:06:55]

sphery:

cool

[22:07:04]

iamlindoro__:

PLPQMFE

[22:07:07]

justinh:

sphery: assuming you can push video streams over to the USB video device fast enough, of course!

[22:07:18]

iamlindoro__:

* Perfect Low Power Quiet Myth Frontend

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sphery:

nice acronym

[22:07:36]

sphery:

Kind of like TWIMTBP

[22:07:38]

justinh:

actually, I joke.. but it's not unpossible in theory

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justinh:

except the fact that a lot of USB video output devices are made by SiS ;)

[22:08:29]

sphery:

Guess I need to work on my completely-nonsensible-hardware for my joke questions

[22:08:44]

mchou:

sphery: yup, you do

[22:09:06]

kisak:

mchou: hmm ... block codec that has a high amount of repeats and is basically a fancy slideshow to create motion

[22:09:11]

mchou:

sphery: iphone as mythfrontend with hdmi

[22:09:13]

iamlindoro__:

sphery: Where x = anything owned by clever

[22:09:13]

justinh:

heck with the right USB video device even an palm could play HD!

[22:09:36]

justinh:

kisak: that's what film is, right.. basically just a series of er.. still frames :P

[22:09:36]

sphery:

the hard part is getting mythfrontend compiled on it.. :)

[22:09:53]

mchou:

kisak: so? it doesnt take huge amounts of MIPS to decode

[22:09:59]

sphery:

(and living with the blue preview images because of the no-MMX colorspace conversion bug :)

[22:10:20]

mchou:

kisak: unlike some other codecs you're so fond of

[22:10:22]

justinh:

sphery: again no matter cos the video stream is merely dumped to the GPU

[22:10:32]

kisak:

it's mostly the block artifacts that slip into the video stream that bug me

[22:10:43]

justinh:

kisak: like h.264 is immune

[22:10:45]

sphery:

at least now, though, the preview videos are just images

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jduggan:

so uh, what PCI graphics cards are there that do VDPAU, which are found in the UK? coz i cant find anything more recent than a 6200

[22:11:25]

justinh:

kisak: use a low enough bitrate, or sloppy encoding... and it'll look just as bad as mpeg2 ever could :)

[22:11:28]

iamlindoro__:

Are you only looking between the chair and the window?

[22:11:30]

sphery:

there is work on making a VDPAU theme painter, which may also include making the preview videos get played in VDPAU, so at that point, the blue preview wouldn't be a problem :)

[22:11:42]

sphery:

jduggan: don't go PCI

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kisak:

justinh ...

[22:12:07]

jduggan:

sphery: only option on one frontend, without rebuilding the whole box :|

[22:12:22]

sphery:

jduggan: or, if you must, wait until VDPAU/Myth's support for VDPAU is finalized and /then/ see if it's a viable solution

[22:12:41]

mchou:

jduggan: just get a new box, it'd be cheaper than the video card

[22:12:45]

sphery:

(and, yes, I realize that the NVIDIA drivers were released as stable, but that doesn't mean VDPAU is finalized)

[22:12:47]

kisak:

umm ... could someone bring me up to speed on what VDPAU is?

[22:13:00]

** iamlindoro__ highfives sphery **

[22:13:04]

iamlindoro__:

exactly

[22:13:19]

justinh:

kisak: it's nvidia's new video acceleration API for offloading video decoding to the GPU.. as in totally offloading it

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iamlindoro__:

There's a wiki page

[22:13:53]

kisak:

huh ... I wonder how bad they'll screw it up in the linux drivers

[22:13:55]

justinh:

as in, native h.264 decoding without using CPU cycles. And on some chipsets, VC-1 too

[22:14:01]

sphery:

kisak: VDPAU is the thing that made users lose all sense and start buying hardware for something that's not yet stable and for which hardware requirements are still unknown

[22:14:07]

justinh:

kisak: that's just it. it's for linux specifically

[22:14:22]

justinh:

kisak: think of it as purevideo for linux

[22:14:30]

justinh:

that's about it in a nutshell

[22:14:40]

laga:

sphery: but it's so cool

[22:14:42]

kisak:

and it's all in the codec?

[22:14:44]

justinh:

except that out of the box loads more players will work with it :)

[22:14:49]

justinh:

what codec?

[22:14:50]

sphery:

kisak: VDPAU = Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix

[22:15:00]

kisak:

meh ... all in the driver

[22:15:07]

kisak:

I mentally tripped

[22:15:09]

mchou:

lol

[22:15:14]

sphery:

(so if it's for Unix, and GNU/Linux is /not/ Unix, but is Unix-like, is VDPAU really for GNU/Linux?)

[22:15:20]

justinh:

the driver just deals with pumping the video stream into the GPU

[22:15:20]

mchou:

you're still mentally tripping

[22:15:34]

sphery:

kisak: yeah, in the video driver and the video hardware

[22:15:50]

iamlindoro__:

sphery: "for Unixish"

[22:15:56]

meshe:

so do they store the codecs in the video card?

[22:16:02]

sphery:

= no developer control over it other than what's provided by the API :)

[22:16:05]

mchou:

if it's all in the driver there'd be not much difference betw. it & SW decode

[22:16:23]

justinh:

meshe: in noob-speak.. kinda

[22:16:37]

mchou:

aside from maybe saving a few context switch cycles

[22:16:37]

kisak:

sphery: ok ... so what's the cutoff (oldest video series) for VDPAU?

[22:16:44]

sphery:

mchou: TTBOMK, most of it is software decode--just in software on the programmable pixel shaders

[22:16:52]

justinh:

kisak: see the wiki page about it. it'll answer all your questions

[22:16:57]

kisak:

ok

[22:17:01]

mchou:

sphery: no it's not

[22:17:14]

sphery:

kisak: I think it's the NVIDIA GF12000 series. Should be out sometime around 2010

[22:17:18]

iamlindoro__:

Love that the second question is *ALWAYS* "what's the least I can get away with"

[22:17:18]

mchou:

you need explicit HW support for that

[22:17:35]

justinh:

iamlindoro__: yeah, why do people always go bottom dowwar?

[22:17:45]

sphery:

kisak: (meaning there's no way I'm giving buying advice until it's done/usable/stable)

[22:17:58]

justinh:

glad I didn't.. got some room to manoevre in my frontend

[22:18:12]

iamlindoro__:

justinh: I don't know. I don't try to get away with the bare minimum on anything I care about buying only once

[22:18:22]

kisak:

8xxx series ... implies it's built ontop of cuda

[22:18:26]

poodyp:

because after you actually have the feature any more money you spend is wasted on clock cycles and extra pixel pipes?

[22:18:42]

iamlindoro__:

It is not CUDA

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iamlindoro__:

or CUDA-based

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kisak:

did I say it was cuda?

[22:18:58]

justinh:

poodyp: well, there's buying bottom dollar, and avoiding the $3000 range. bit of a gulf inbetween there

[22:19:16]

simcop2387:

i keep getting connection timed outs from a remote frontend and i'm not sure why

[22:19:24]

mchou:

there is nothing wrong with botto dollar these days

[22:19:25]

iamlindoro__:

kisak: As I said, it's not CUDA-based either

[22:19:34]

justinh:

simcop2387: cat chewed through the network cables again?

[22:19:36]

kisak:

iamlindoro__: ok

[22:19:44]

mchou:

bottom dollar buys plenty of capability these days

[22:19:51]

yalu:

justinh: cats are the solution. mice are the problem.

[22:20:08]

simcop2387:

justinh: nope, it finds the backend automagically, but when i try to watch a recording or live tv it times out

[22:20:20]

poodyp:

well what difference will there be in buying an 8400gs fanless low profile card and buying a 8600GT?

[22:20:26]

justinh:

simcop2387: sendy diskies to sleepies?

[22:20:44]

poodyp:

other than the 8600 would probably cost twice what the silent low power 8400 does?

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iamlindoro__:

poodyp: about $50?

[22:21:02]

simcop2387:

nope, the backend works fine, its connected to a tv and the frontend on it works fine

[22:21:32]

sphery:

simcop2387: -fixes or trunk?

[22:21:39]

simcop2387:

-fixes

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justinh:

poodyp: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Vdpau#Supported_Cards

[22:21:42]

simcop2387:

both of them

[22:21:43]

yalu:

the way of configuring lirc in mythtv is just weird... instead of adding eg VOLUMEUP (would be logical) you have to use the keyboard button that maps to VOLUMEUP

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simcop2387:

ok i see whats going on i think

[22:22:19]

simcop2387:

-v all,nodatabase on the frontend shows this, MythSocket(7f93784c0f90:38): attempting connect() to (0.0.0.0:6543)

[22:22:27]

justinh:

ruh?

[22:22:30]

sphery:

yalu: patches welcome (though the 3 people I know of who have done patches for such a reason haven't done it well enough to actually get it accepted)

[22:23:12]

yalu:

sphery: well given I don't know C... probably I will fail at getting anything accepted too :)

[22:23:34]

justinh:

sphery: that's cos they were of the opinion 6 buttons are enough :)

[22:24:09]

yalu:

it's most likely not a mythtv issue, but does anybody know what to do about a "slow" remote? I have to wait like half a sec in between button presses or the program ignores my requests

[22:24:42]

sphery:

Yeah, it really requires a /lot/ of very invasive changes, so it's unlikely to get done well enough unless it's done by a person who knows Myth code well and who has commit privileges and those people are unlikely to want to work on it because it's a zero-progress change (i.e. we end up with something that makes a 1-time configuration slightly easier)

[22:25:05]

sphery:

other than that, we end up where we were before all the work

[22:25:33]

sphery:

justinh: yeah, and how hard is it to map 6 LIRC buttons? It takes what, 2 minutes?

[22:25:52]

yalu:

yeah, it's not exactly a low effort – high reward job probably

[22:26:02]

justinh:

yalu: you messed about with delay & repeat in your lircrc file?

[22:26:39]

yalu:

well. no. my lircrc is simple as a shrimp's brain

[22:26:52]

sphery:

justinh: I should make a LIRC config for a 6-button mouse that uses modes to allow you to get more than 6 buttons capability... Wonder what the maximum number of buttons you could get out of a 6-button remote + modes...

[22:27:22]

justinh:

6 * 6 .. more if you include long presses, and different combinations..

[22:27:42]

justinh:

or go like apple's one-button mouse & do it in morse code

[22:27:53]

yalu:

I was thinking morse allready :D

[22:28:03]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Or, in binary mode, 2^6 – 1, so 63... ;-)

[22:28:33]

justinh:

or, put a tilt switch in it & get even more out of it! :-O

[22:28:51]

simcop2387:

justinh: figured out the issue, mythtv doesn't like hostnames at all

[22:28:56]

sphery:

So, if you have 1 enter mode button and 1 exit mode button and cascade modes, you'd have 4 buttons per mode with the possibility of an infinitely deep level of mode nesting (assuming LIRC doesn't overflow a stack or something), meaning that a 6-button remote is plenty. Could even do it with a 3-button remote (and a /very/ good memory or a decoder chart)

[22:28:57]

iamlindoro__:

If the gyroscope registers to the right...

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iamlindoro__:

Versus left/up/down...

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sphery:

simcop2387: not until 0.22, it doesn't

[22:29:39]

justinh:

got me thinking.. if mythtv's mouse support comes of age at some point, a wiimote might actually be a going concern

[22:29:52]

sphery:

simcop2387: (i.e. hostname resolution support for that was added recently)

[22:29:59]

simcop2387:

sphery: figures

[22:30:16]

sphery:

we had to wait until Qt4 since Qt3 wouldn't work

[22:30:20]

justinh:

sphery: so no need to send the patch for s/hostname/ip\ address then?

[22:30:21]

simcop2387:

justinh: actually there's a number of wiimote -> mouse programs out there IIRC so mythtv wouldn't have to do anything at all

[22:30:24]

shadn__:

I thought touchscreen support brought mouse support with it

[22:30:26]

simcop2387:

sphery: weird

[22:30:38]

sphery:

justinh: guess not :)

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simcop2387:

well there's that fixed, now to go downstairs and get the other backend going

[22:31:16]

justinh:

simcop2387: except myth still doesn't have much clickable stuff yet AFAIK, even in trunk. no big deal at all. I like my remote with all its buttons

[22:31:44]

simcop2387:

justinh: i still prefer a remote anyway too, esp since it ends up nicer and easier on your arm (gorilla arm and all that)

[22:32:10]

sphery:

remotes can be used without looking

[22:32:14]

sphery:

wiimotes can't

[22:32:21]

sphery:

nor can mouse

[22:32:23]

justinh:

heh. shame though. mythbowlarama would be fun

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justinh:

and instead of 'are you sure the backend is running' popups we can have "make sure that the controller lanyard is securely wrapped around your wrist and that you are well away from furniture & sharp objects"

[22:34:14]

justinh:

wouldn't wanna make \. front page with 'mythtv controller embedded in brand new TV class action'

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iamlindoro__:

justinh: "Ugh, the XBMC Wiimote implementation has a

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iamlindoro__:

''torrent button.' Myth sucks!"

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tank-man:

if youre using a wiimote or mouse and dont want to look at the cursor on the screen, what are you doing watching tv?

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poodyp:

I hate stupid remotes that are a foot long and have 40 buttons that all do 1 thing ever

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sphery:

justinh: We'd also have to get audio alerts from wiimote button presses... Probably have to steal the little Wii sounds, just like Microsoft did for their new XBox Experience (the upgrade that add's Wii-Mii-like avatars to the 360).

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justinh:

that'd be what the button with the little house icon on the controller does then. I was wondering

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iamlindoro__:

justinh: Yes, it's "Bring free Teevees to my house"

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justinh:

oh wait. that's the 'call the feds to my house' button. (coming in 2010)

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meshe:

haha

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sphery:

tank-man: I use my remote for controlling my Internet radio playback (when the TV isn't even on) and volume and other stuff in mythfrontend TV playback where I don't have to look at a specific place on screen

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tank-man:

i see, fair enough :)

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justinh:

what is 'free teevees' ? Is it like pay teeves but it comes from the intertube what comes in your house?

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iamlindoro__:

justinh: Em Kay Vees!

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justinh:

then again with a wiimote you'd need some kind of navigable buttons on the OSD. And they'd have to be large enough to hit with the low-res remote pointer. Bleugh

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justinh:

aaanyway. been a hell of a day while nothing happened. time for bed

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kisak:

justinh: that's not true ... you smacked me around a little at least

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kisak:

;)

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poodyp:

personally I'd prefer a gyro mouse with 8 context sensitive buttons and navigable OSD instead of a remote that requires two hands just to reach half the buttons, most of which aren't even used

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mythrookie:

how can i play my dvd rips with myth tv?

[22:46:36]

meshe:

mythvideo

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mythrookie:

plugin

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mythrookie:

ok

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meshe:

i ran mythfrontend with no backend just for mythvideo for a year or more, great plugin

[22:52:07]

perilousapricot:

I wish there were a way to integrate recordings from the main mythtv with mythvideo in a consistent way

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iamlindoro__:

don't let us stop you submitting a patch ;)

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meshe:

me too, i like the mythvideo interface way better than the watch recordings interface

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gbee:

meshe: in what way?

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gbee:

would something like this suit you better? http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/newtheme_watchrec3.png

[23:03:18]

gbee:

or is it the use of posters etc in mythvideo?

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Solaris444:

gbee, when will this theme be ready, and where can I get it when it is?

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poodyp:

Solaris444: when .22 comes out

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Solaris444:

ahhhh ok cool. how is .22 looking so far?

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gbee:

can't guarantee the theme will be ready for the release of 0.22, I have to finish other more important things for 0.22, but it should be available sometime after the release of 0.22

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iamlindoro__:

Hoping to get mine done for .22

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poodyp:

I'll just be happy when .22 comes out :)

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Solaris444:

how serious are the changes to 0.22 internally?

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iamlindoro__:

serious.

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iamlindoro__:

as close to a total rewrite as you will ever see

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Solaris444:

i thought that might be the case. if you don't mind me asking, what was the motivation for that?

[23:13:01]

hadees:

anyone tried MythVodka yet? looks really cool, i'm going to install it when i get home

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Solaris444:

was there something serious you guys wanted to change?

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iamlindoro__:

Transition from QT 3 to 4 and new UI interface are the primary "behind the scenes" changes

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Solaris444:

right.

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Solaris444:

do you get a lot of bug reporting from users or do you guys have to do most of it internally?

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iamlindoro__:

I'm not a myth dev, but I think it's fair to say the majority of the bug reports are user-submitted

[23:17:21]

iamlindoro__:

That's not to say that most of them are valid, but that's where they come from

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Solaris444:

right.

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Solaris444:

i think i have fixed my dvd rip issue incidentally.

[23:18:17]

Solaris444:

Seems to have been related to the older libdvdnav and libdvdread components i was using.

[23:18:50]

Solaris444:

but it would still be nice if mythtv gave some feedback in the UI that the rip has failed other than just failing silently and saying that the job finished.

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mythrookie:

any release date for 0.22 ?

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iamlindoro__:

no

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mythrookie:

what are you using?

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iamlindoro__:

I am using trunk.

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mythrookie:

allright

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test1_:

anyone with 'virtual freebox' ?

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mythrookie:

iam thinking of gettin the trunk running

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iamlindoro__:

mythrookie: Why? Do you *want* your box not to work?

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mythrookie:

well i shouldnt i guess

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mythrookie:

but i love the new themes

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iamlindoro__:

mythrookie: Even if you were running trunk, you would stil lhave the same old themes

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Solaris444:

lol that's an understatement. you've had enough trouble as is mythrookie.

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mythrookie:

and ui

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iamlindoro__:

mythrookie: the UI is based on the theme, and like I said, there are no new ones available

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gbee:

mythrookie: the new themes that people are working on aren't available or complete for use with trunk

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iamlindoro__:

the *soonest* you will see a new theme will be when .22 is out

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iamlindoro__:

at least, a new theme for MythUI

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mythrookie:

well i guess i wait

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mythrookie:

June?

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mythrookie:

once i got a stable running i like to play with the fire

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mythrookie:

but for now i will optimize my channel config

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sid3windr:

tried this earlier, trying again: my dvb-t card doesn't seem to work with mythtv; with tzap I get FE_HAS_LOCK fine; with tzap -r I can get a TS stream which is also fine... but mytyhtv shows me "35% signal quality" and "no lock" ... followed by "you should have gotten a lock by now".. any tips/pointers?

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Solaris444:

sid3windr: you might want to check if the onboard signal amplifier (assuming the card has one) has been turned on in your modprobe.conf options.

[23:31:19]

Solaris444:

Also, try using an amplifier.

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iamlindoro__:

Solaris444: As he said, he's able to tune *and* stream* from the card

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iamlindoro__:

just not in myth

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sid3windr:

indeed.

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Solaris444:

i know. but his other software might be doing something that myth isn't.

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Solaris444:

just a thought.

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sid3windr:

which makes mythtv the problem ;)

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sid3windr:

tzap is from dvb-utils

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sid3windr:

and is very barebones and certainly not enabling/disabling amplifiers ;)

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Solaris444:

ok, well what chipset is your card using?

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** sid3windr only recently learned from #linuxtv that tzap can actually have you record **

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sid3windr:

saa7134

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Solaris444:

ah. not familiar with that one, sorry.

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sid3windr:

it's got an amp and it's disabled, I'm 1km from the dvb-t tower

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sid3windr:

but as I said I have a perfect ts if I cat /dev/adapter1/dvr0 to a file ;)

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Solaris444:

what about I/O. If the system is waiting on hard drive access could that prevent a lock?

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iamlindoro__:

no

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sid3windr:

frontend on the card does the lock methinks

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iamlindoro__:

sid3windr: You might try turning up your signal and tuning timeouts a bit and see what happens

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sid3windr:

how do you mean turning up the signal?

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iamlindoro__:

signal timeout, tuning timeout

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sid3windr:

ah

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sid3windr:

misread, sorry ;)

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sid3windr:

I was looking at those yup

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sid3windr:

I tried the wait for seq in some weird hopeful way ;)

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sid3windr:

doesn't seem to make much difference if any

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sid3windr:

:(

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iamlindoro__:

You scanned using myth, yes Not a channels.conf import?

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sid3windr:

http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /141337.html <- looks familiar

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sid3windr:

iamlindoro__: yes, did a myth channel scan indeed

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sid3windr:

from a -users post: "If anyone gets the same problem: The solution is to MANUALLY UPDATE dtv_multiplex in the mythtv database (mythconverg). For me, MythTV erroneously inserts the wrong frequency for a few channels."

[23:42:38]

sid3windr:

I guess I'll go check that out

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sid3windr:

table is not making much sense to me ;/

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sid3windr:

looks like it's not on the write mplex_id

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** sid3windr experiments **

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sid3windr:

okay, mplex_id changed, now on partial lock ;/

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sid3windr:

maybe I should nuke the entire thing and start over

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sid3windr:

okay, fixed.

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sid3windr:

the multiplex had dvb as sistandard, while the others had dvbt

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sid3windr:

changed that, have lock and image!

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sid3windr:

however, this means there is some serious jiggyness in the dvb(t) channel/multiplex scanning code.

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sid3windr:

and I cannot imagine that everyone has this problem

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iamlindoro__:

sid3windr: There is a whole myth branch dealing with rewriting the scanner, it'll all get much better shortly

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sid3windr:

okay

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sid3windr:

is it worth trying to report a bug?

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sid3windr:

or will it all be overhauled anyway

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iamlindoro__:

The latter

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sid3windr:

okay, then I won't bother

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sid3windr:

it'd be hard to reconstruct anyway I think

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sid3windr:

hehe

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sid3windr:

I'm already glad I have image

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sid3windr:

I thought maybe I was too close to the transmitter (i can see it from my window)

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iamlindoro__:

Yeah, when the myth-channel-scanner branch gets merged, if it's still there it'll be worth a bug report

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academy:

Is Dave Waring on irc? Might be able to help him with some testing...

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Shadow__X:

hey jannel anything on the hvr 1800

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iamlindoro__:

Who's Dave Waring?

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academy:

ugh, David Matthews – sorry, Dave Waring is someone I know.

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academy:

:)

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iamlindoro__:

Who's Dave Matthews? (Aside fomr the obvious)

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academy:

#5562

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iamlindoro__:

academy: No need to find him to test a patch, just test it

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academy:

iamlindoro__: I intend to ... just wondered whether he was here

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iamlindoro__:

Just remember we don't post experiences with patches in tickets

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academy:

iamlindoro__: sorry?

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academy:

iamlindoro__: oh, got you.

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iamlindoro__:

academy: If you try the patch and find it works, don't use the ticket as a discussion board

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academy:

ok

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