| Wednesday, January 7th, 2009, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:26] | drmason (drmason!n=who@dslb-084-058-049-183.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [00:00:40] | thefRont: | I should have known better ;) |
| [00:00:42] | iamlindoro____: | That said, to make it a "regular" recording I believe you want to change the playback group, not the recording group |
| [00:01:02] | Shadow____X: | iamlindoro, i know but can you do that in mythweb |
| [00:01:11] | iamlindoro____: | yes, you can. |
| [00:01:14] | erb (erb!i=erb@liquidswords.org) has left #mythtv-users () | |
| [00:01:16] | iamlindoro____: | Again, advanced options |
| [00:01:48] | Shadow____X: | hmm maybe i have to enable advanced options |
| [00:02:13] | iamlindoro____: | You have to expand them, but no "enabling" per se |
| [00:02:29] | iamlindoro____: | Recorded Items->Click a thumbnail->Advanced Options |
| [00:03:40] | Shadow____X: | yeah its not there it should be there under que a job correct |
| [00:04:36] | thefRont: | same here ;) |
| [00:05:26] | Soviet-Ninja (Soviet-Ninja!n=ninja@zboltons1.demon.co.uk) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [00:05:30] | SovietNinja (SovietNinja!n=ninja@zboltons1.demon.co.uk) has quit (Nick collision from services.) | |
| [00:05:38] | Soviet-Ninja is now known as SovietNinja | |
| [00:09:35] | Shadow____X: | checked my other remote backend and the s ame it doesnt have the advanced option |
| [00:12:35] | Mersault (Mersault!n=michaelm@static-1M-b1-17.highspeed.eol.ca) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [00:13:24] | Mersault: | Quick Question: How does one change channels on the HDHomeRun? I'm determining which HD tuner to get, but it appeears that I can't change channels on the HDHR over the network, just over IR? Really? |
| [00:14:06] | iamlindoro____: | no. The HDHR's channel's are changed through its network protocols |
| [00:14:14] | mason (mason!n=who@dslb-084-058-004-067.pools.arcor-ip.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | |
| [00:14:23] | iamlindoro____: | HDHR's IR receiver is just for the end-user, ie to control your myth box, having nothing to do with the tuner |
| [00:14:34] | Shadow____X: | iamlindoro, how do i get this mysterious advanced options box |
| [00:14:50] | iamlindoro____: | Shadow____X: I'm not at home to troubleshoot your things |
| [00:15:02] | Shadow____X: | aww |
| [00:15:06] | Shadow____X: | come on |
| [00:15:15] | Shadow____X: | like you want to pay attention at the meeting |
| [00:15:27] | iamlindoro____: | Shadow____X: I am *at a training*, not at home, I'll choose what I have time to respond to, thanks |
| [00:15:40] | Shadow____X: | fine thanks anyway |
| [00:15:43] | iamlindoro____: | and not having a mythbox/mythweb in front of me, I'm not available/able to look into your question |
| [00:15:55] | Shadow____X: | well thank you for the consideration |
| [00:15:59] | Mersault: | iamlindoro____: Okay, great. I assumed as much, but my friend believed it was all ir blaster. Thanks for the quickie verification. |
| [00:16:25] | Mersault (Mersault!n=michaelm@static-1M-b1-17.highspeed.eol.ca) has quit ("leaving") | |
| [00:17:38] | teprrr (teprrr!n=tpr@kde/developer/rytilahti) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [00:18:23] | teprrr: | hello there. is there a way to quickly change between different players in mythtv? ie. in case internal fails to play some files I'd like to use mplayer and it's kind of painful to go to the settings and every time type it there and change it back to internal afterwards |
| [00:20:56] | iamlindoro____: | nope, just settings (but you can give a single file a custom play command) |
| [00:21:00] | drmason (drmason!n=who@dslb-084-058-049-183.pools.arcor-ip.net) has quit () | |
| [00:22:12] | teprrr: | doesn't help much as the files change.. hmm. GalleryMoviePlayerCmd is apparently the setting for it.. what if I change it manually in mysql? is there anything else to be concerned? |
| [00:22:35] | teprrr: | wondering about creating a script to switch between some variables, which could be then bind to a remote button :) |
| [00:23:27] | gbee: | teprrr: which version? |
| [00:24:20] | Anduin: | teprrr: the Gallery in that bit is for MythGallery |
| [00:24:22] | sphery: | Hmmm... Seems DRM is dying again (at least according to the -users list). |
| [00:25:16] | gbee: | aye and I was hoping to remove that setting too, leaving it with just Internal (which plays mjpeg just fine) |
| [00:26:25] | Anduin: | teprrr: and if you changed the default player to your mplayer command, and Internal as the specific for all file types, you would be a simple "use default" checkbox away from switching |
| [00:26:30] | teprrr: | gbee, 0.21 that is |
| [00:26:49] | teprrr: | Anduin, hmm. ah, indeed.. grepped for mplayer, though it's currently using internal of course... |
| [00:27:51] | teprrr: | Anduin, hmm. that sounds that it may work actually :p |
| [00:29:09] | teprrr: | wondering whether it would still be easier just to make a script which toggles between those :) |
| [00:29:40] | directhex: | sphery, drm is dying on apple stuff at least. and non-apple stores with drm are closing down |
| [00:29:57] | teprrr: | oh, another question popped into my mind too. is it possible to assign a key for changing the fill modes for the playback? |
| [00:30:27] | Anduin: | teprrr: there is a settings cache to deal with |
| [00:30:42] | teprrr: | Anduin, yup. that was one concern I was having indeed |
| [00:31:15] | gbee: | teprrr: already assigned to W |
| [00:31:36] | gbee: | or is that only in trunk? I can never remember |
| [00:31:42] | mikal_ (mikal_!n=mikal@nat/google/x-6e0fdfb52face233) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [00:31:55] | GreyFoxx: | I've been using W for a long time |
| [00:32:03] | GreyFoxx: | I have it mapped to a button on my remote |
| [00:32:19] | sphery: | directhex: I was just mentioning that the DRM-is-dying Chicken Little is back on the lists with a new thread saying how right he was about how DRM is dying. |
| [00:32:48] | teprrr: | hmm, will have to test it and do some binding then. just recalled that I tried to search for the action from the wiki back then I set up my box |
| [00:32:57] | directhex: | sphery, i'm sure everyone's drm-free access to Dish Network is in the mail |
| [00:33:01] | iamlindoro____: | sphery: Isn't he the Neuros guy? |
| [00:33:23] | abqjp (abqjp!n=abqjp@c-69-254-145-214.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [00:33:28] | directhex: | sphery, i'm a target of boycottnovell. i take chicken little characters as normal. |
| [00:33:58] | sphery: | W has been related to zoom/aspect for a long time (it's now zoom in 0.21, which is what most people want--aspect is now Ctrl-W, now that it's broken out separately from zoom) |
| [00:34:27] | sphery: | iamlindoro____: could be... I can't remember. |
| [00:34:41] | iamlindoro____: | sphery: http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2008/public/schedule/detail/2900 |
| [00:34:57] | iamlindoro____: | "Joe Born is the CEO and founder of Neuros Technology, an open source consumer electronics company supported by an active developer community..." |
| [00:35:16] | gbee: | sphery, iamlindoro: and he hangs out in here ... |
| [00:35:34] | iamlindoro____: | gbee: yeah, I had noticed that |
| [00:36:14] | iamlindoro____: | well, in #mythtv I had noticed him, anyway |
| [00:36:40] | gbee: | by coincidence, or design maybe, the stand he was manning at LRL 2007 was in front of an Anti DRM banner mounted on the wall by Open Rights Group |
| [00:37:08] | sphery: | iamlindoro____: but--at least on that page--it's spelled differently than it is in the -users list From address |
| [00:37:15] | gbee: | Neuros have always made the lack of DRM and anti-DRM part of their promotional material |
| [00:37:19] | sphery: | i.e. with a trailing e on -users |
| [00:37:29] | iamlindoro____: | With their boxes being myth based, the abolition of DRM directly affects their ability to make an appealing product |
| [00:37:45] | iamlindoro____: | sphery: Well, maybe different guy then, I dunno |
| [00:38:25] | gbee: | not all their products are myth based, if they are still selling it, the original Neuros OSD was a custom job (AFAIK) |
| [00:38:31] | teprrr: | sphery, ah. yea, zoom was exactly what I was looking for.. btw, is fill the correct term for that? |
| [00:38:39] | iamlindoro____: | gbee: Their new one is, though |
| [00:38:43] | gbee: | aye |
| [00:43:57] | quigleym1 (quigleym1!n=quigley@c-76-120-208-187.hsd1.va.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [00:44:23] | quigleymd (quigleymd!n=quigley@c-76-120-208-187.hsd1.va.comcast.net) has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) | |
| [00:45:31] | sphery: | Yeah, I agree that the end of DRM would be a good thing, but it just seems like we get a /lot/ of threads started by this particular individual... From most recent: http://pastebin.ca/1301459 |
| [00:45:47] | sphery: | And, yeah, I'm pretty sure it's not the Neuros guy. |
| [00:46:46] | sphery: | directhex: hadn't heard of boycottnovell , but it's definitely an interesting site |
| [00:47:21] | directhex: | sphery, it's like dilbert.com, but funnier |
| [00:47:24] | gbee: | sphery: yeah, that does seem like overkill and somewhat annoying too |
| [00:47:50] | iamlindoro____ (iamlindoro____!i=4b062c42@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ac42ffdb8bab5cd0) has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") | |
| [00:49:20] | sphery: | gbee: yeah, I wouldn't mind as much except for the "as I predicted" and "over a year ago, I said" and ... kind of stuff |
| [00:49:25] | quigleym1 (quigleym1!n=quigley@c-76-120-208-187.hsd1.va.comcast.net) has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) | |
| [00:50:16] | ViperSBT (ViperSBT!n=vipersbt@68-112-70-241.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [00:52:31] | ViperSBT: | Anyone got Fedora SPDIF working with non-48k sound? |
| [00:53:00] | sphery: | ViperSBT: non-48kHz PCM or non-48kHz data (AC-3/DTS)? |
| [00:53:19] | sphery: | i.e. passthrough or not? |
| [00:53:32] | ViperSBT: | Not, MP3 and some videos... |
| [00:53:55] | sphery: | Should work fine with proper ALSA conf. |
| [00:54:02] | sphery: | Is this FC10? |
| [00:54:10] | ViperSBT: | Oh, I'm sure it should, just a matter of getting proper config... :) |
| [00:54:12] | ViperSBT: | FC8 |
| [00:54:16] | sphery: | if so, you might need Pulse conf |
| [00:54:31] | Dagmar: | joe borne appears to be riding the short bus |
| [00:55:00] | ViperSBT: | I sure hope not, everyone has told me to ditch Pulse... |
| [00:55:07] | sphery: | I say http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Configur . . . .2C_Properly , then set pcm.!default to digital or mixed-digital or just specify ALSA:digital or ALSA:mixed-digital in the Myth conf |
| [00:55:26] | sphery: | ViperSBT: yeah, you're /much/ better off not using Pulse with Myth until Myth has Pulse support. |
| [00:55:39] | sphery: | But I've heard that FC10 uses Pulse by default. |
| [00:57:26] | Shadow____X: | can someone tell me if there is an advanced menu under program details for a specific recording on mythtv .21 |
| [00:57:51] | quigleymd (quigleymd!n=quigley@c-76-120-208-187.hsd1.va.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [00:57:56] | gbee: | "in mythweb" |
| [00:58:02] | Shadow____X: | yes sorry |
| [00:58:16] | sphery: | ViperSBT: if you actually read the wiki page on which the ALSA config is presented (the one I linked), ignore all the wrong comments about "not required" or "Fedora does <whatever>" |
| [00:59:31] | ViperSBT: | I am reading through it now... I used that when I originally set it up and have been back to it a few times, but it never hurts to try it again... |
| [00:59:34] | sphery: | Shadow____X: What program details for a specific recording? You mean for a specific episode in the listings? TTBOMK, there are no details for individual recordings in MythWeb. |
| [01:00:14] | Shadow____X: | sphery, i want to change a recording from being in the livetv recording group to schedules shows |
| [01:00:18] | sphery: | Shadow____X: heh, foudn something new... |
| [01:01:00] | Shadow____X: | can i do it on mythweb or just on the frontend |
| [01:01:12] | sphery: | Seems just the frontend |
| [01:01:19] | Shadow____X: | ok |
| [01:01:25] | Shadow____X: | thanks |
| [01:01:35] | Shadow____X: | i just wanted to makesure i wasnt missing something |
| [01:01:50] | Dibblah: | Ooooh. http://rapidshare.com/files/179974712/eepg-0.0.1.tgz |
| [01:02:01] | Dibblah: | "I have made a plugin for VDR which detects and loads all known Extended EPG formats here in Europe. Those formats are mostly proprietary and are used to send 2–10 days of EPG information" |
| [01:02:23] | Dibblah: | Wonder if their tables are fuller than ours. |
| [01:02:33] | andreax1 (andreax1!n=andreaz@p57B97ACD.dip.t-dialin.net) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) | |
| [01:03:39] | sphery: | Shadow____X: this is what I see on -fixes for recording details page: http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/MythWeb-R . . . _Details.png |
| [01:03:57] | sphery: | no edit capability |
| [01:04:15] | sphery: | oh, and thanks for helping me find the details page :) |
| [01:04:44] | Shadow____X: | lol yourwelcome |
| [01:04:49] | Shadow____X: | and tanks for finding that |
| [01:06:49] | sphery: | If you feel like doing some PHP-hacking, I'm sure kormoc would love a patch that allows editing title/subtitle/description/recording group/playback group, etc. :) |
| [01:06:54] | squidly (squidly!n=squidly@HoodLUG/member/squidly) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) | |
| [01:07:55] | syamajala: | is it possible to watch tv over ssh with x11 forwarding? |
| [01:08:06] | Dagmar: | Not really. |
| [01:08:07] | Dibblah: | Not realistically, no. |
| [01:08:14] | ViperSBT: | I hope this doesn't sound to ignorant, but is there anything I need to edit in the asoundrc file? |
| [01:08:27] | Dagmar: | ViperSBT: You normally won't even need one |
| [01:09:01] | ViperSBT: | But I can't seem to get non-48k audio to convert to 48k over SPDIF |
| [01:09:13] | syamajala: | because i saw this http://evuraan.blogspot.com/2007/11/watch-mythtv-remotely.html |
| [01:09:26] | sphery: | ViperSBT: you may need to change the hardware device associated with the digital output |
| [01:09:42] | ViperSBT: | How does one do that? |
| [01:09:51] | sphery: | ViperSBT: search for "Uncomment one of the below or create a new "device N" line as appropriate" |
| [01:10:28] | sphery: | use aplay -l to show devices |
| [01:10:32] | Dagmar: | syamajala: Yeah well he's also telling people to make a passwordless ssh login on a remote machine |
| [01:10:32] | ViperSBT: | Where, in the asoundrc? I keep hearing I shouldn't use one... |
| [01:10:42] | sphery: | it would be in the asoundrc |
| [01:11:07] | ViperSBT: | aplay -l **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices **** card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 0: ALC662 Analog [ALC662 Analog] Subdevices: 0/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 1: ALC662 Digital [ALC662 Digital] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 |
| [01:11:22] | syamajala: | Dagmar: no he isn't |
| [01:11:27] | syamajala: | Dagmar: its done using keys |
| [01:11:30] | sphery: | you need to uncomment the device 1 line |
| [01:11:40] | Dagmar: | syamajala: It's not asking for a password. |
| [01:12:08] | sphery: | syamajala: you /really/ need to send encoded (compressed) video across a network |
| [01:12:26] | Dagmar: | sphery: All that web page does is use ssh tunneling to forward the ports myth uses |
| [01:12:40] | sphery: | syamajala: you could do it by using ssh port forwarding to tunnel to the network that has the myth backend and run a local frontend |
| [01:12:42] | Dagmar: | In otherwords, it's for people who are too paranoid to have plaintext in their own homes |
| [01:13:00] | sphery: | yeah, no reason to do that in a local network |
| [01:13:35] | syamajala: | well what i was really looking for was if it would work with just plain old x11 forwarding |
| [01:13:37] | sphery: | might be useful across the Internet--presuming you have sufficient upstream bandwidth (which most--including me--probably don't) |
| [01:13:50] | Dagmar: | syamajala: And you got your answer |
| [01:13:56] | syamajala: | yeah i know |
| [01:14:05] | mikal_ (mikal_!n=mikal@nat/google/x-6e0fdfb52face233) has quit () | |
| [01:14:12] | sphery: | But, IMHO, the /right/ way to watch MythTV recorded TV when not on the network at home is by copying the recordings to a laptop/external/... hard drive and carry it with you. |
| [01:14:33] | sphery: | My bandwidth is >>>>> my cable Internet connection's bandwidth |
| [01:15:18] | sphery: | I can transport 1.5TB from home to LA in just a few hours (by carrying the disk on the plane with me) |
| [01:15:54] | Dagmar: | There's a bottleneck to that |
| [01:16:05] | Dagmar: | ...and *ugly* one. |
| [01:16:22] | Dagmar: | Exceed it and you'll be shunted over into the "shoving a hand up your butt" line. |
| [01:16:33] | ViperSBT: | sphery, I count find anything to uncomment that says device one in the asoundrc... Are you referring to "# slave.pcm "analog-hw"" |
| [01:16:36] | sphery: | yeah, Atlanta is one of those bottlenecks... Sometimes the router in Atlanta caches me overnight |
| [01:16:51] | sphery: | but when they do, at least I have my HDD full of TV to watch |
| [01:16:58] | Dagmar: | Next time I really think I might take a damn bus I hate the airlines so much |
| [01:17:40] | sphery: | ViperSBT: sorry... The one on the page is configured exactly as you need it. |
| [01:17:59] | sphery: | so use it without modification |
| [01:18:51] | ViperSBT: | OK, I have it in place, do I need to reboot, or will it check it on each use? |
| [01:19:01] | abqjp (abqjp!n=abqjp@c-69-254-145-214.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) has quit () | |
| [01:19:02] | sphery: | just restart mythfrontend |
| [01:19:17] | Shadow____X: | sphery, i wouldnt mind doing the patch if i knew where to start |
| [01:19:27] | Shadow____X: | i know alittle php currently |
| [01:19:38] | ViperSBT: | Will I need to change my Audio Out Device in the Setup? |
| [01:19:59] | sphery: | and make sure you configure mythfrontend to use ALSA:digital or ALSA:mixed-digital (or change the pcm.!default stanza to make digital or mixed-digital your default) |
| [01:20:12] | sphery: | Shadow____X: yeah, that's pretty much where I would be on that patch, too. |
| [01:20:20] | Shadow____X: | lol |
| [01:20:38] | sphery: | I'd have to learn not only how to make PHP do it, but also how kormoc would want it done (UI as well as code design) |
| [01:21:12] | sphery: | I think he's going to all AJAX/AJAJ, so I'm sure it would be a fancy web-2.0 approach to editing it... :) |
| [01:21:19] | kormoc: | tablekit likely :) |
| [01:21:32] | sphery: | I woke the sleeping PHP giant... :) |
| [01:21:32] | kormoc: | http://www.millstream.com.au/view/code/tablekit |
| [01:21:49] | sphery: | Shadow____X: and, it seems, I'd have to learn tablekit, too :) |
| [01:21:57] | Shadow____X: | heh |
| [01:22:01] | kormoc: | it should also allow the dynamic table column definitions a lot easier then the current way as well |
| [01:22:10] | Shadow____X: | hmm |
| [01:22:14] | academy (academy!n=adam@unaffilated/academy) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [01:22:21] | Shadow____X: | i know someone who help me get the php work done atleast |
| [01:22:25] | Shadow____X: | i might look into that |
| [01:22:25] | sphery: | kormoc: so, modifying the recorded programs page, not just the recording details page? |
| [01:22:32] | kormoc: | Aye |
| [01:22:43] | sphery: | that would be soooooo nice |
| [01:22:56] | academy: | After updating to trunk I now get: mythfrontend: tv_play.cpp:2739: void TV::KillTimer(int): Assertion `id' failed. when I try to play any TV. I see partial lock and then mythfrontend crashes. Any ideas? |
| [01:23:13] | academy: | well, from r19435 |
| [01:23:17] | Shadow____X: | one of my roomates wants to work with ajax more and doesnt have a project |
| [01:23:42] | sphery: | academy: need 19577 or later |
| [01:23:48] | James1324 (James1324!n=Eric_Bel@d150-44-208.home.cgocable.net) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) | |
| [01:23:48] | sphery: | academy: and a subscription to -commits |
| [01:24:06] | academy: | sphery: I'm running 19597 |
| [01:24:19] | sphery: | academy: regarding the blue screen, you can change your Xv color key with xvattr to something near black (i.e. 10 or 30) |
| [01:24:22] | thefRont is now known as thefront | |
| [01:24:27] | sphery: | then it will flash near-black before playback |
| [01:24:31] | academy: | sphery: yeah, I found that – thanks |
| [01:24:36] | Shadow____X: | now if the shows information was modified(ie recorded programs page and recording details page) would that automatically put it in queue to get commflagged |
| [01:24:47] | Shadow____X: | or would there need to be a script inclluded in the php to do that |
| [01:25:02] | sphery: | (don't use black or a window with black on it above the video playback will show video through--only really useful when coding with vi in a black xterm while watching TV :) |
| [01:25:37] | academy: | sphery: thanks for the help. The killtimer issue is with 19597. |
| [01:25:54] | sphery: | Shadow____X: which shows information? the title/subtitle/description/recgroup stuff? That won't affect the existing flagging/seektable stuff |
| [01:26:36] | Shadow____X: | ah alright so then with editing that information it would have to put it in que to get flagged |
| [01:26:44] | sphery: | academy: OK, I saw r19435 and assumed it was the issue fixed in [19577] |
| [01:27:44] | sphery: | academy: so, I don't know what it is... You could run with QT_FATAL_WARNINGS=1 under gdb to get a backtrace and post it |
| [01:27:50] | sphery: | (the fun of running trunk) |
| [01:28:18] | sphery: | http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.2 for how to do a proper backtrace |
| [01:28:26] | sphery: | need a debug or (better) profile build |
| [01:28:33] | academy: | It's appeared somewhere between 19435 and 19577. It's a debug build, so I'll do the backtrace |
| [01:28:37] | clever: | sphery: something fun im playing with in qt, you can set a message handler |
| [01:28:47] | clever: | so a custom function gets ran for every warning and debug msg |
| [01:29:00] | sphery: | cool |
| [01:29:07] | clever: | you could then feed them out thru VERBOSE to unify the formating of all output |
| [01:29:20] | clever: | or set a breakpoint in there to catch any qt message |
| [01:29:44] | kormoc: | sphery, Shadow____X, just keep in mind, we might be needing to extend tablekit a bit before it will suite our needs, we currently do a fair bit of weird awesome on those pages |
| [01:30:25] | clever: | sphery: qInstallMsgHandler(myMessageOutput); |
| [01:30:39] | mnemonic76 (mnemonic76!n=chatzill@c-67-162-127-19.hsd1.in.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [01:30:47] | Shadow____X: | ah kormoc |
| [01:31:21] | clever: | sphery: http://pastebin.ca/1301649 |
| [01:31:59] | mnemonic76: | Does anyone know what the mvpmv boot progress indicators mean? Anything? Mine keeps hanging at the last 'square' it is flashing blue/grey. It should be green. |
| [01:32:53] | ViperSBT: | sphery... OK I changed the Audio Output Device in Myth to ALSA:digital (which I had to manually key in) and then I tested it, which didn't change anything. When I went back to try ALSA:mixed-digital, I found that it was still set to ALSA:spdif... What gives? |
| [01:32:53] | directhex: | way to take offtopic to a new level |
| [01:32:55] | mnemonic76: | I can get this thing to boot and then i unplug it, and it wont boot the next time. If I wait DAYS something resets and it boots again. |
| [01:33:27] | mnemonic76: | directhex: was that directed at me? |
| [01:33:49] | sphery: | ViperSBT: I've heard that any value typed into the Audio Output Device combo doesn't get saved (only when you change it to a different device in the list) |
| [01:34:12] | mnemonic76: | Sorry I am talking about mvpmc on the Hauppauge MediaMVP |
| [01:34:53] | sphery: | ViperSBT: But ALSA:digital and ALSA:mixed-digital are both in there if you've compiled with ALSA support (or if you're using packages, you should have ALSA support). Use right/left arrows to change the values. |
| [01:37:28] | MartinCleaver_ (MartinCleaver_!n=martincl@69-196-191-134.dsl.teksavvy.com) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [01:39:57] | ViperSBT: | Yes, they were there... digital, mixed-digital, and spdif all give the same results... no audio if it wasn't recorded at 48k |
| [01:40:22] | jroysdon (jroysdon!n=User@ox.roysdon.org) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [01:40:34] | sphery: | are you sure there's audio in the recording? |
| [01:40:49] | mnemonic76 (mnemonic76!n=chatzill@c-67-162-127-19.hsd1.in.comcast.net) has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008121622]") | |
| [01:41:05] | ViperSBT: | I have tried several videos that I know have audio and I have tried all of my MP3s which used to work before I switched to SPDIF |
| [01:41:24] | jroysdon: | What's a good replacement card for the PVR-500 that does SD and is dual-tuner and is well supported in MythTV? |
| [01:41:56] | sphery: | ViperSBT: you'll probably just have to keep hammering on it |
| [01:42:02] | sphery: | it will work if you get it set up right |
| [01:42:29] | Lord_Deathscythe (Lord_Deathscythe!n=chris@c-76-18-178-167.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [01:42:49] | sphery: | I think there's also an audio output device for mythmusic, too, so make sure that's set |
| [01:43:02] | academy: | How can I find out which driver version I'm using? nvidia |
| [01:43:07] | sphery: | jroysdon: another PVR-500 is a good replacement :) |
| [01:43:09] | sphery: | ebay? |
| [01:43:26] | jroysdon: | Yeah, I'm trying to do a large volume |
| [01:43:59] | jroysdon: | Is there any such replacement? Or is there a single-tuner card that will work instead and just by doubles of them? |
| [01:44:15] | ventz (ventz!i=ventz@unaffiliated/ventz) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [01:44:21] | jroysdon: | (I mean, if you were going to set up a new MythTV box, what would you use?) |
| [01:44:22] | psofa (psofa!n=psofa@adsl10-103.ath.forthnet.gr) has quit () | |
| [01:44:38] | sphery: | academy: grep 'NVIDIA dlloader X Driver' /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| [01:44:44] | AriX_ (AriX_!n=AriX@c-76-99-118-122.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [01:45:10] | academy: | thanks |
| [01:45:11] | sphery: | jroysdon: if I were setting up a new box, it would have digital capture cards (like my current) |
| [01:45:28] | academy: | 173.14.12 |
| [01:45:29] | sphery: | haven't paid much attention to the state of analog capture cards in the last 2 years |
| [01:45:36] | mikal_ (mikal_!n=mikal@69-12-129-6.dsl.static.sonic.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [01:45:57] | jroysdon: | Digital cards? Ok, that's fine, but can it still capture analog input as well? |
| [01:46:00] | sphery: | I've heard (but don't quote me on this) that the HVR-1600 works (but may be more challenging to set up than the PVR-x50) |
| [01:46:18] | jroysdon: | sphery, what card would you recommend? Yeah, I saw that about the HVR-1600, but was a bit nervous with the issues listed. |
| [01:46:47] | Shadow____X: | sphery, hvr 1600 works |
| [01:46:51] | Shadow____X: | i gots 2 of ems |
| [01:47:00] | sphery: | Only analog capture cards I've used are the PVR-150, PVR-250, and PVR-350 and I'd recommend 2 out of 3 of those |
| [01:47:01] | Shadow____X: | what issues jroysdon |
| [01:47:07] | AriX_ (AriX_!n=AriX@c-76-99-118-122.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) has quit (Client Quit) | |
| [01:47:37] | jroysdon: | Shadow____X, I just closed my browser, but it was listed on the Mythtv website, but may all be fixed with newer software. |
| [01:47:55] | jroysdon: | sphery, which two would you recommend? Looks lke the PVR-250 and PVR-350 are still around |
| [01:48:16] | academy: | sphery: added #6084 |
| [01:48:20] | sphery: | not the 350 |
| [01:48:25] | Shadow____X: | jroysdon, get a hvr-1600 the issue i had was if you rebooted you need to"prime" analog |
| [01:48:50] | Shadow____X: | which meant you had to watch live tv on the analog side atleast once then close it before ussing it |
| [01:49:31] | Shadow____X: | but i dont recal if that is still the case with the newer kernel |
| [01:49:35] | Shadow____X: | it works fine though |
| [01:50:52] | jroysdon: | Ok, cool. |
| [01:51:07] | jroysdon: | What is recommended for digital, and will a digital do analog as well, or just digital? |
| [01:51:32] | NightMonkey (NightMonkey!n=NightMon@pdpc/supporter/professional/nightmonkey) has quit (Remote closed the connection) | |
| [01:51:42] | Shadow____X: | the hvr-1600 has one mpeg encoder analog input and one digital input |
| [01:51:50] | Shadow____X: | both can be used simultaneously |
| [01:52:00] | jroysdon: | Ah, ok. So if you want to do two analog, you need two hvr-1600s, but that's cool |
| [01:52:11] | Akiyuki (Akiyuki!i=TuxGuy@cpe-065-184-185-223.ec.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [01:52:11] | jroysdon: | Is this one the right model? They package them oddly sometimes: http://www.amazon.com/Hauppauge-1178-WinTV-HV . . . p/B000MGGTY8 |
| [01:52:21] | Akiyuki: | anyone here know how to get picbasic/pbasic to send the correct output using serout? for a IR receiver |
| [01:53:07] | MartinCleaver (MartinCleaver!n=martincl@69-196-133-101.dsl.teksavvy.com) has quit (Connection timed out) | |
| [01:53:14] | perilousapricot (perilousapricot!n=bucky@c-69-180-252-211.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) | |
| [01:53:45] | jroysdon: | Shadow____X, what distro do you run? Have you tried MythDora 5 and do you know if it works out of the box with the PVR-1600? |
| [01:54:05] | Shadow____X: | i run mythbuntu |
| [01:54:07] | pheld (pheld!n=heldal@81-31-236-106.net.nc-systems.no) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [01:54:13] | Shadow____X: | it all depends on kernel version |
| [01:54:28] | Shadow____X: | if it runs the new kernel being 2.6.27 or 28 |
| [01:54:34] | Shadow____X: | it will be suported in the kernell |
| [01:54:40] | jroysdon: | Sure, and worst case I'll use mythbuntu |
| [01:54:51] | Shadow____X: | i guess |
| [01:54:59] | Shadow____X: | no one is stoping you from using mythdora |
| [01:55:26] | Shadow____X: | if i where you i would get the 1600 with the mce remote |
| [01:55:28] | Shadow____X: | but thats me |
| [01:55:40] | jroysdon: | Right, that's what I'm looking at. |
| [01:55:52] | jroysdon: | Why is this one MORE money than the last? No remote, but looks like the same card to me: |
| [01:55:53] | jroysdon: | http://www.amazon.com/Hauppauge-1199-HVR-1600 . . . _ob_title_ce |
| [01:56:04] | jroysdon: | (just a different "package" number, probably due to lack of a remote) |
| [01:57:11] | Shadow____X: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . 20%2f%20NTSC |
| [01:57:11] | Led-Hed (Led-Hed!n=LedHed@75.151.70.113) has quit ("Leaving") | |
| [01:57:13] | Shadow____X: | alittle cheaper |
| [01:58:09] | jroysdon: | nice |
| [01:58:18] | Shadow____X: | some of their models are weird i would check hauppauges site if you where thinking of getting one without the mce remote |
| [01:58:39] | jroysdon: | oh, the difference is the remote model |
| [01:59:01] | jroysdon: | the one you just listed is the MCE remote, right? I'll just get that, since it'll just work. |
| [01:59:54] | Shadow____X: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116010 |
| [01:59:57] | Shadow____X: | thats the mce one |
| [02:00:07] | kkuno (kkuno!n=wefw@151.64.200.50) has quit (Remote closed the connection) | |
| [02:00:08] | jroysdon: | ah, the black one then? |
| [02:00:13] | Shadow____X: | yes |
| [02:01:51] | jroysdon: | Is the 1199 vs. 1183 model of the product determined by the remote? |
| [02:02:12] | mchou: | jroysdon: you plan on using HDTV tuner? |
| [02:02:46] | jroysdon: | I may, I just want something that'll work for sure (and needs to support analog) |
| [02:02:50] | Shadow____X: | i believe so jroysdon |
| [02:02:59] | mchou: | jroysdon: cause 1600 has serios issues on the digital side |
| [02:03:03] | kafkaCA (kafkaCA!n=rob@c-24-6-91-32.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [02:03:06] | mchou: | serious* |
| [02:03:24] | Shadow____X: | i have gotten 1600 to work on qam and atsc |
| [02:03:40] | jroysdon: | Oh? What is recommended for a digital card then? Or, if it sucks that way, I might as well try and get a PVR-350 for dual-analog for now. |
| [02:03:42] | Shadow____X: | 2 seperate backends |
| [02:03:46] | mchou: | Shadow____X: you havent tried even the dvb tools |
| [02:04:02] | Shadow____X: | mchou, we arent talking about those we are t alking about mythtv |
| [02:04:08] | Shadow____X: | and on mythtv it works fine |
| [02:04:09] | mchou: | lol |
| [02:04:23] | jroysdon: | I only care about MythTV with the cards. |
| [02:04:27] | mchou: | on mythtv it doesnt even work anywhere near right |
| [02:04:33] | mchou: | dropouts |
| [02:04:44] | Shadow____X: | mchou, maybe you can blame shitting cabling to that |
| [02:04:46] | mchou: | massive pci bus utilization |
| [02:04:47] | jroysdon: | Shadow____X, did you have to do anything special to fix yours, or just latest kernel? |
| [02:05:11] | Shadow____X: | jroysdon, with older kernels compile driver and copy firmware |
| [02:05:17] | mchou: | Shadow____X: considering I have plenty of other tuners that work right, it's not a cabling issue |
| [02:05:22] | Shadow____X: | newer kernels done |
| [02:05:44] | mchou: | jroysdon: hvr 1600 tuner is junk |
| [02:05:56] | mchou: | get a card with xc5000 tuner |
| [02:06:12] | jroysdon: | Digital only, or does it have analog? |
| [02:06:17] | mchou: | jroysdon: you'd be a much happier camper |
| [02:06:23] | jroysdon: | (or just get an xc5000 and pvr-350 so I have one of each) |
| [02:06:27] | syamajala: | woot! |
| [02:06:31] | syamajala: | it works |
| [02:06:31] | mchou: | has analog, but framegrabber only |
| [02:06:53] | olejl (olejl!n=olejl@92.96.57.34) has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) | |
| [02:07:03] | mchou: | jroysdon: look up the linuxtv wiki |
| [02:07:12] | mchou: | on xc5000 tuner |
| [02:07:18] | Lexridge (Lexridge!n=Lexridge@75.108.69.120) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [02:07:21] | mchou: | far superior |
| [02:07:28] | tanderson: | any udev gurus done anything with using SYMLINK for any video device with a certain driver? |
| [02:07:37] | mchou: | hvr 1600 is a sick joke |
| [02:07:55] | kafkaCA: | tanderson, far from a guru, but i've done finished fighting udev symlink |
| [02:07:55] | jroysdon: | mchou, ok, I'll research that as well. Are PVR-350s still easy to get? |
| [02:08:05] | mchou: | jroysdon: why 350? |
| [02:08:20] | mchou: | jroysdon: get 150 |
| [02:08:31] | jroysdon: | Is the 150 dual-tuner? |
| [02:08:33] | mchou: | assuming they are still available |
| [02:08:40] | kafkaCA: | 500 is dual tuner |
| [02:08:44] | mchou: | neither is dual tuner |
| [02:08:48] | tanderson: | kafkaCA: DRIVER="bttv", SYMLINK+="bttv" results in absolutely nothing, not even warnings/errors |
| [02:08:56] | kafkaCA: | DRIVERS |
| [02:08:57] | mchou: | 500 is dual tuner |
| [02:08:57] | jroysdon: | Ah, ok. So just get as many 150s as you need |
| [02:08:57] | Shadow____X: | hey mchou so then how come i havnt had issues using mine to record |
| [02:09:06] | jroysdon: | Right, 500 is EOL and no longer available anywhere new |
| [02:09:06] | mchou: | Shadow____X: lol |
| [02:09:11] | kafkaCA: | you missed the "S" |
| [02:09:51] | mchou: | Shadow____X: the pvr1600 is crap parts, lousy driver, and broken functionality |
| [02:09:51] | tanderson: | kafkaCA: doesn't change anything really |
| [02:10:05] | mchou: | Shadow____X: it doesnt even pass the dvbtools tests |
| [02:10:19] | Shadow____X: | what tests are those |
| [02:10:21] | kafkaCA: | did you cut & paste from the info output? i did that for all but one of my rules |
| [02:10:26] | mzb_d800: | tanderson: you might want to trigger on a kernel event rather than driver |
| [02:10:28] | jroysdon: | mchou, got a link for the xc5000? I just see news stories about it and Hauppauge |
| [02:10:39] | mchou: | Shadow____X: just cause it records under myth fine does NOT mean it's a good card. |
| [02:10:52] | inordkuo (inordkuo!n=inorkuo@adsl-226-137-93.int.bellsouth.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [02:11:07] | tanderson: | kafkaCA: the udevinfo output has DRIVER, not DRIVERS though |
| [02:11:08] | mchou: | jroysdon: hold on |
| [02:11:10] | Shadow____X: | mchou, jroysdon was just talking about mythtv and it has worked fine under mythtv for recording sd and hd |
| [02:11:14] | mzb_d800: | eg: I have this for one of my dvb tuners: |
| [02:11:17] | mzb_d800: | KERNEL=="dvb*", KERNELS=="0000:00:0b.2", ATTRS{vendor}=="0x14f1", ATTRS{device}=="0x8802", \ |
| [02:11:17] | mzb_d800: | PROGRAM="/bin/sh -c 'K=%k; K=$${K#dvb}; printf dvb/adapter101/%%s $${K#*.}'", \ |
| [02:11:17] | mzb_d800: | SYMLINK+="%c" |
| [02:11:19] | kafkaCA: | hmm ok |
| [02:11:53] | tanderson: | mzb_d800: does that only get run on boot then since it's running on a kernel event? |
| [02:12:08] | mzb_d800: | probably ;) |
| [02:12:16] | kafkaCA: | tanderson: how did you # it in the rules.d directory? |
| [02:12:18] | mzb_d800: | the bottom line is that it works ;) |
| [02:12:27] | kafkaCA: | >=50? |
| [02:12:32] | tanderson: | =50 |
| [02:12:36] | kafkaCA: | k |
| [02:13:04] | tanderson: | udev can't possibly care about tabs? |
| [02:14:05] | kafkaCA: | KERNEL=="dsp*", DRIVERS=="HDA Intel", SYMLINK+="sound-onboard" |
| [02:14:16] | kafkaCA: | that's my line for one of my sound devices |
| [02:14:24] | quigleymd (quigleymd!n=quigley@c-76-120-208-187.hsd1.va.comcast.net) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) | |
| [02:14:26] | mchou: | Shadow____X: which part dont you understand? HVR 1600 doesnt even pass linux dvbtools tests |
| [02:14:46] | quigleymd (quigleymd!n=quigley@c-76-120-208-187.hsd1.va.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [02:14:52] | kafkaCA: | brb... dogs need out |
| [02:14:58] | mchou: | Shadow____X: that means it has issues with compliance |
| [02:15:59] | jroysdon (jroysdon!n=User@ox.roysdon.org) has quit ("ttfn") | |
| [02:16:05] | Lexridge: | mchou: I have no problems with my hvr1600, and I've had three (first two got wiped by lightning). |
| [02:16:37] | kafkaCA: | anyone have a 500 working on the current trunk? |
| [02:16:37] | Shadow____X: | hey mchou are you on older hardware |
| [02:16:50] | mchou: | nope |
| [02:17:02] | Shadow____X: | what mb do you have |
| [02:17:05] | mchou: | pcie 2.0 mobos |
| [02:17:22] | Shadow____X: | http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-1600 |
| [02:17:24] | Shadow____X: | says its fine |
| [02:17:29] | mchou: | lol |
| [02:18:01] | mchou: | I keep telling you. Run 'scandvb -c -A 2' on a channel |
| [02:18:16] | mchou: | you tell me if that even locks |
| [02:19:06] | mchou: | that's not even taking int account the on board dsp xc5000 tuner has. |
| [02:19:11] | mchou: | into* |
| [02:19:23] | Lexridge: | I've done that before without any lockups. I still have the output file too. :) |
| [02:20:00] | mchou: | Lexridge: dude, when I say lock I mean signal locking, not your box locking up |
| [02:20:08] | Shadow____X: | heh |
| [02:20:22] | Lexridge: | So you were unable to get through a full scan? |
| [02:20:35] | mchou: | no, that's not what I said |
| [02:20:47] | mchou: | DO you get FE_HAS_LOCK |
| [02:20:52] | Lexridge: | sorry, perhaps I can into this conversation too late. I apoligize. |
| [02:21:29] | mchou: | Lexridge: seriously, give it a shot |
| [02:21:43] | mchou: | Lexridge: no problem if you come in late |
| [02:21:46] | Akiyuki (Akiyuki!i=TuxGuy@cpe-065-184-185-223.ec.res.rr.com) has left #mythtv-users ("Leaving") | |
| [02:21:55] | Lexridge: | No, I can't pick up anything. But it's not the tuner's fault. I cannot pick up anything with three hdtvs either. :( |
| [02:22:11] | mchou: | I'm giving you all the tools you need to determine "compliance" |
| [02:22:14] | ViperSBT: | Could I be hunting the White Elephant? Does anyone have non-48K audio playing over their SPDIF on Fedora? |
| [02:22:23] | Lexridge: | The most powerful digital signal in my area is 200watts and is directed away from me. |
| [02:22:36] | mchou: | Lexridge: how about cable? |
| [02:22:50] | mchou: | Lexridge: you dont have cable TV? |
| [02:22:52] | Lexridge: | I only get QAM audio stations with my cable. But they lock okay. |
| [02:23:30] | mchou: | Lexridge: so dvbscan -c -A2 reports FE_HAS_LOCK for you? |
| [02:23:36] | mchou: | ummm |
| [02:23:46] | Lexridge: | YEs, on the QAM audio stations |
| [02:23:47] | mchou: | 'scandvb -c -A 2' |
| [02:24:00] | Lexridge: | opps, that would have been a qam scan |
| [02:24:21] | mchou: | sigh... |
| [02:24:44] | mchou: | Lexridge: do something like this.... |
| [02:25:07] | mchou: | mplayer dvb://[callsign of QAM station] |
| [02:25:28] | mchou: | that's assuming you have a proper channels.conf |
| [02:25:50] | mchou: | sand then do 'scandvb -c -A 2'...... |
| [02:25:56] | mchou: | and* |
| [02:26:28] | mchou: | or xine. they both should work |
| [02:26:44] | Lexridge: | humm, I have dvbscan but not scandvb. Was that a typo? |
| [02:27:07] | mchou: | Lexridge: they are called different things depending on distro |
| [02:27:11] | Lexridge: | oh, okay |
| [02:27:18] | mchou: | but same proggie |
| [02:27:24] | Lexridge: | Can I do this while recording? |
| [02:27:28] | mchou: | no |
| [02:27:36] | mchou: | needs to be idle |
| [02:27:47] | Lexridge: | okay, I cannot try it right now then. Recording the GMAC Bowl. |
| [02:27:52] | mchou: | hehe |
| [02:27:55] | mchou: | np. |
| [02:28:04] | mchou: | just try it when you get a chance |
| [02:28:14] | Lexridge: | Lemme see if I can find the output I generated before. |
| [02:28:24] | mchou: | you'd be very surprised, I guarantee it |
| [02:28:54] | ViperSBT (ViperSBT!n=vipersbt@68-112-70-241.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com) has quit ("Java user signed off") | |
| [02:30:18] | mchou: | Lexridge: the HVR also has MASSIVE PCI bus utilization |
| [02:30:51] | Lexridge: | why, and how massive? |
| [02:31:07] | mchou: | some funkiness with PID filtering |
| [02:31:18] | mchou: | doesnt do it correctly |
| [02:31:37] | Lexridge: | I thought that only occured on the very earliest cards. |
| [02:31:42] | mchou: | dumps the whole multiplex regardless |
| [02:32:01] | mchou: | iirc mine were born 6 months ago |
| [02:32:25] | mchou: | there is a date tag on the cards |
| [02:32:35] | Lexridge: | yea, I've seen it. |
| [02:32:36] | mchou: | that's what I'm going by |
| [02:34:09] | abqjp (abqjp!n=abqjp@c-69-254-145-214.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [02:34:16] | Lexridge: | mine says: Hauppauge model 74041, rev C6B2, serial# 913310 |
| [02:34:31] | Lexridge: | that's from dmesg |
| [02:34:36] | mchou: | hold on, lemme see what mine says |
| [02:35:00] | mzb_d800: | re bus use, google for hardware PID filtering |
| [02:35:22] | mchou: | mzb_d800: been there done that |
| [02:35:29] | mzb_d800: | some (budget) cards just won't do it |
| [02:35:31] | mchou: | technisat |
| [02:35:32] | academy (academy!n=adam@unaffilated/academy) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) | |
| [02:36:16] | mchou: | mzb_d800: forget the name of that company but they had HW PID filtering |
| [02:36:25] | mchou: | good cards back in the day |
| [02:36:48] | mchou: | but better stuff out there now |
| [02:37:06] | mchou: | xc5000 is currently top of the heap |
| [02:38:14] | mchou: | Lexridge: Hauppauge model 74041, rev C6B2, serial# 3334816 |
| [02:38:40] | mchou: | Lexridge: lol. look at my serial # compared to yours :) |
| [02:38:48] | mchou: | yours is OLD :) |
| [02:38:48] | Lexridge: | yea, your is MUCH newer!! |
| [02:39:02] | Lexridge: | but the same rev number |
| [02:39:10] | mchou: | yeah |
| [02:39:15] | Lexridge: | so the design did not change any |
| [02:39:22] | mchou: | but it's still a POS |
| [02:39:30] | Lexridge: | lol, and expensive pos |
| [02:39:32] | mchou: | haha |
| [02:40:27] | mchou: | looky here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Pinnacle . . . _Card_(800i) |
| [02:40:41] | mchou: | "The XC5000 tuner on this card is able to pick up considerably more over-the-air digital channels than most other cards." |
| [02:40:43] | iamlindoro_ (iamlindoro_!n=robert@c-24-23-242-27.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has quit (Remote closed the connection) | |
| [02:40:58] | Lexridge: | the page is empty |
| [02:41:03] | mchou: | huh?? |
| [02:41:10] | iamlindoro_ (iamlindoro_!n=robert@c-24-23-242-27.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [02:41:10] | Shadow____X: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Pinnacle . . . _Card_(800i) |
| [02:41:12] | mchou: | it come up for me.... |
| [02:41:15] | Lexridge: | is the (800i) part of the link? |
| [02:41:20] | mchou: | oh |
| [02:41:22] | mchou: | heh |
| [02:41:27] | Shadow____X: | yeah it stops |
| [02:41:37] | Lexridge: | got it |
| [02:43:22] | Lexridge: | so how does this massive PCI bus usage show up on your system? CPU Usage? Doubtful, but how do you "see" it? |
| [02:43:38] | mchou: | mplayer |
| [02:43:41] | mchou: | iostat |
| [02:43:53] | mchou: | multiple recordings at the same time |
| [02:43:57] | mchou: | you name it |
| [02:44:07] | mchou: | fubar! |
| [02:44:26] | Lexridge: | what package includes iostat? |
| [02:44:30] | mchou: | dropouts, artifacts |
| [02:44:50] | mchou: | just a poor experience all around |
| [02:45:14] | Lexridge: | see, I'm not getting any of that, even when recording two things at the same time, however, I am not doing HD. I imagine HD would make the problem worse. |
| [02:45:26] | mchou: | Lexridge: indeedy |
| [02:45:56] | Lexridge: | perhaps the PID issue is with HD only? |
| [02:46:03] | mchou: | also depends on how many mutiplexes oon ne channel |
| [02:46:06] | syamajala (syamajala!n=syamajal@c-75-68-104-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has left #mythtv-users ("Leaving...") | |
| [02:46:13] | mchou: | one one* |
| [02:46:18] | mchou: | on one* |
| [02:46:24] | mchou: | crap |
| [02:46:33] | Lexridge: | lol |
| [02:47:00] | mchou: | my bus is overwhelmed :) |
| [02:47:28] | Lexridge: | you have a phat bus! |
| [02:47:29] | Shadow____X: | can a qam channel go from encrypted to non encrypted then back |
| [02:47:39] | mchou: | yup |
| [02:47:45] | mchou: | happens all the time |
| [02:48:15] | Shadow____X: | because i could of sworn abc was open before when i tested it now its gone freaking comcast |
| [02:48:27] | mchou: | nah |
| [02:48:42] | mchou: | that just means comcast moved abc elsewher |
| [02:48:56] | Shadow____X: | in like half an hour |
| [02:48:58] | Shadow____X: | ? |
| [02:48:59] | mchou: | it aint "gone" |
| [02:49:31] | mchou: | the broadcast networks are never supposed to be encrypted..... |
| [02:49:39] | mchou: | accidents do happen though |
| [02:49:40] | Shadow____X: | hmm |
| [02:50:03] | Shadow____X: | they moved nbc already and i cant find it again |
| [02:50:23] | mchou: | Shadow____X: that's cause you got a POS card |
| [02:50:34] | kafkaCA: | shadow... i have that happen every few months w/ comcast here |
| [02:50:42] | mchou: | with a REAL(tm) card you'd have no issues |
| [02:50:43] | Shadow____X: | i try with my hvr 1800 as well |
| [02:50:51] | kafkaCA: | have to re-fix the channels :-/ |
| [02:50:54] | Shadow____X: | mchou, i have a pctv 800 as wel |
| [02:51:09] | Shadow____X: | kafkaCA, do they take channels away or just move them around and are you on the east coast |
| [02:51:28] | Lexridge: | can you not just do a QAM channel scan from within myth to re-find it? |
| [02:51:30] | kafkaCA: | i'm in california.. they don't take them away,just move them around |
| [02:52:12] | kafkaCA: | that's true for the local channels at least.. i used to be able to get a few of the premium , but they're now all encrypted |
| [02:52:12] | Shadow____X: | Lexridge, yeah but i cant find it i will do it again right now and is there a benefit to include encrypted channels in the scan |
| [02:52:28] | mchou: | kafkaCA: where in CA? |
| [02:52:51] | Lexridge: | maybe abc is just off the air due to technical difficulties? |
| [02:53:03] | kafkaCA: | mchou: outside santa cruz |
| [02:53:15] | SovietNinja (SovietNinja!n=ninja@zboltons1.demon.co.uk) has quit ("+++ Divide By Cucumber Error. Please Reinstall Universe And Reboot +++") | |
| [02:53:26] | mchou: | kafkaCA: heh, I'm almost in your neck of the woods |
| [02:53:36] | kafkaCA: | almost? |
| [02:53:45] | mchou: | yeah, over the hill |
| [02:53:49] | kafkaCA: | SJ? |
| [02:53:52] | mchou: | yup |
| [02:54:08] | kafkaCA: | when i don't work from home, i have to drive 17 |
| [02:54:13] | mchou: | lol |
| [02:54:19] | Lexridge: | Do you know the way to SJ? lol |
| [02:54:23] | mchou: | got a beemer? |
| [02:54:28] | kafkaCA: | lex.. in my sleep |
| [02:54:34] | kafkaCA: | mchou, nope, a TT |
| [02:54:38] | mchou: | the ultimate driving machine |
| [02:54:42] | kafkaCA: | ew |
| [02:54:43] | kafkaCA: | ;) |
| [02:54:56] | mchou: | no, I dont have a beemer |
| [02:55:11] | mchou: | just has a friend who hot dogs it on 17 |
| [02:55:28] | mchou: | I dont ride with hime any more |
| [02:55:33] | ** kafkaCA is too tired to finally try to get lirc working ** | |
| [02:55:42] | mchou: | I'd die of heart attack |
| [02:55:45] | kafkaCA: | haha. you wouldn't like my driving on 17 then either |
| [02:55:59] | mchou: | no dude |
| [02:56:11] | kafkaCA: | in my car, i do 60–65 and 65–70 on my bike |
| [02:56:26] | kafkaCA: | when traffic allows that is |
| [02:56:34] | mchou: | this guy zips in his beemer lane to lane in even rush hour |
| [02:56:53] | kafkaCA: | there's a zen of 17 during rush hour |
| [02:57:03] | kafkaCA: | you have to know just where to change & just when to leave it alone :) |
| [02:57:15] | mchou: | it felt like I was on a friggin roller coaster |
| [02:57:57] | mchou: | first time he drove me I barfed |
| [02:58:03] | kafkaCA: | haha |
| [02:58:24] | mchou: | I'm not joking about that |
| [02:58:24] | mchou: | lost my lunch |
| [02:58:24] | kafkaCA: | i see that all the time |
| [02:58:48] | kafkaCA: | at my exit, on weekends in the summer, there's always at least 2–3 fresh splatters |
| [02:58:58] | kafkaCA: | because it's convenient for people to pull over |
| [02:59:08] | mchou: | ewww. |
| [02:59:22] | mchou: | the barf exit |
| [03:00:39] | Similian (Similian!n=similian@217.230.4.70) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) | |
| [03:00:54] | kafkaCA: | (probably tmi, i know :) |
| [03:01:03] | mchou: | anyway |
| [03:01:23] | mchou: | I ride a bike but there's no way I'd ride a bike on 17 |
| [03:01:44] | mchou: | just too easy to become hamburger |
| [03:02:01] | kafkaCA: | in the summer i commute almost exclusively on it |
| [03:02:08] | mchou: | well |
| [03:02:18] | mchou: | see you in the afterlife |
| [03:02:21] | kafkaCA: | :) |
| [03:02:40] | kafkaCA: | at least then my house will have some relief from me futzing w/ the mythbox :) |
| [03:06:27] | kafkaCA (kafkaCA!n=rob@c-24-6-91-32.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has quit (Remote closed the connection) | |
| [03:07:34] | kafkaCA (kafkaCA!n=rob@c-24-6-91-32.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [03:07:46] | kafkaCA: | grrr.. random pidgin crash |
| [03:07:57] | academy (academy!n=adam@unaffilated/academy) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [03:13:44] | Shadow____X: | well nbc and abc didnt show up inmy scan |
| [03:14:00] | Shadow____X: | unless it doesnt show up like fox 5 and ipn |
| [03:14:07] | Shadow____X: | that say their info |
| [03:15:11] | Shadow____X: | upn* |
| [03:16:46] | nuonguy (nuonguy!n=john@c-24-6-174-132.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [03:20:17] | olejl (olejl!i=c3e5f234@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-232d3ae2d5500398) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [03:21:03] | mchou: | Shadow____X: how are you doing the scan? |
| [03:21:25] | [gquit]bombadil ([gquit]bombadil!n=dana@CPE-70-94-44-157.wi.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [03:21:27] | Shadow____X: | using mythtv |
| [03:21:36] | mchou: | that scan is broken |
| [03:21:41] | mchou: | scandvb |
| [03:21:58] | Shadow____X: | how is it broken |
| [03:21:59] | mchou: | dvb-utils or dvbtools |
| [03:22:04] | Shadow____X: | like it doesnt find all the channels |
| [03:22:08] | mchou: | yup |
| [03:22:09] | Shadow____X: | or its completely borken |
| [03:22:21] | mchou: | doesnt find all channels |
| [03:22:31] | mchou: | makes too many assumptions |
| [03:23:18] | mchou: | it might be fixed by now but I still wouldnt rely on it |
| [03:23:46] | mchou: | 'scan' from dvbutils would be trustworthy |
| [03:23:57] | Shadow____X: | alright |
| [03:24:01] | Shadow____X: | i will install it |
| [03:28:43] | Shadow____X: | dvb utils? |
| [03:29:28] | Shadow____X: | hmm alright |
| [03:31:05] | Shadow____X: | how do you scan to a .conf file |
| [03:34:15] | Shadow____X: | mchou, you there |
| [03:35:30] | kafkaCA: | shadow, try this http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/LinuxTV_dvb-apps |
| [03:35:39] | kafkaCA: | (i've personally never used the dvbutils scan) |
| [03:36:34] | kafkaCA: | http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Scan |
| [03:42:23] | pab (pab!n=pab@dsl231-036-052.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [03:44:07] | kafkaCA: | so does anyone have a pvr500 (or pvr150) working w/ the latest trunk? |
| [03:44:57] | wagnerrp: | ive got a pair of 150s |
| [03:45:15] | wagnerrp: | working with trunk as of this morning |
| [03:45:41] | kafkaCA: | hmm ok |
| [03:45:42] | wagnerrp: | 19586 |
| [03:45:59] | kafkaCA: | last i had was 19580 from yesterday... |
| [03:46:17] | kafkaCA: | i'm getting a weird error. |
| [03:46:40] | kafkaCA: | if i do a fresh install of 0.21 it works, but when i upgrade to trunk it breaks |
| [03:46:50] | kafkaCA: | i've tried completely fresh database |
| [03:47:54] | kafkaCA: | 500 is just 2 150s on a card according to dmesg... wonder if there's something very diff other than that though |
| [03:48:12] | Terrortoertchen (Terrortoertchen!n=Terrorto@g229064248.adsl.alicedsl.de) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | |
| [03:50:31] | Shadow____X: | i do scan -c -a 1 and i get warning filter timeout pid 0x1ffb dumping lists 4 services |
| [03:51:56] | kafkaCA: | sorry.. haven't used it before.. just reading through that myself |
| [03:52:16] | Lexridge: | I believe that is normal when there is no channel carrier detected. |
| [03:54:59] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx, You had a chance to install/look at the theme yet BTW? |
| [04:01:09] | Shadow____X: | after that it lists this stuff |
| [04:04:29] | saintdev (saintdev!n=saint@unaffiliated/saintdev) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [04:06:49] | banyan: | is there a writeup on what to do if your cable company changes the channel lineup? I seem to remember having to delete all the entries from the upcoming programs table and redo the mythfilldatabase. |
| [04:07:18] | kslater (kslater!n=kslater@206.193.247.78.nauticom.net) has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) | |
| [04:08:19] | Shadow____X: | change the channels around in the mythbackend |
| [04:08:40] | Shadow____X: | then mythbackend and you dont have to tough the upcoming programtable |
| [04:10:18] | banyan: | change the channels around? |
| [04:10:47] | Shadow____X: | goto mythbackend setup |
| [04:10:52] | Shadow____X: | channel editor |
| [04:11:03] | Shadow____X: | then you can edit each channel |
| [04:11:10] | hadees (hadees!n=hadees@cpe-67-9-179-169.austin.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [04:11:15] | banyan: | well, maybe I should explain the specific problem — there are 2 "Channel 50" entries right now. and the real one is not the one that recordings are scheduled on. |
| [04:11:30] | Shadow____X: | so delete them |
| [04:11:44] | kafkaCA: | delete the bad one in mythtv-setup |
| [04:12:02] | kafkaCA: | and put the correct chan ID in the remaining one (if it's not already there) |
| [04:12:07] | banyan: | what you're suggesting is that I correct the channel # in the back end? |
| [04:12:12] | banyan: | makes sense! |
| [04:12:27] | Lord_Deathscythe (Lord_Deathscythe!n=chris@c-76-18-178-167.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) has quit (Remote closed the connection) | |
| [04:12:37] | banyan: | now I just have to figure out where it really is. :-) |
| [04:12:44] | kafkaCA: | hehe |
| [04:12:50] | Chutt (Chutt!n=ijr@dsl093-011-148.cle1.dsl.speakeasy.net) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) | |
| [04:12:58] | banyan: | um, do I need to have the backend stopped to do this? |
| [04:13:05] | Shadow____X: | um |
| [04:13:08] | Shadow____X: | yes |
| [04:13:12] | banyan: | I know mythtvsetup pisses and moans if you don't. |
| [04:13:14] | Shadow____X: | unless you do it under mythweb |
| [04:13:29] | banyan: | my mythweb quit working! That's why I originally came in here. |
| [04:13:39] | kafkaCA: | i do it w/ mythtvsetup all the time w/ backend running... but i'm sure that's a "very bad practice"(TM) |
| [04:14:02] | kafkaCA: | but i always restart mythbackend immediately upon exiting |
| [04:14:40] | banyan: | I understand it is not a good idea to add cards etc. online but channel number mods shouldn't really bother it. |
| [04:15:13] | banyan: | plus I think it's recording stuff right now, judging from the amount of disc churn I hear. |
| [04:15:27] | clever: | one of my very first problems was changing the oss input for the frame grabber without restarting the backend |
| [04:15:28] | kafkaCA: | i'd wait until it's not recording before screwing w/ setup |
| [04:15:42] | clever: | it continued to capture from the wrong sound card |
| [04:15:55] | kafkaCA: | oops |
| [04:15:58] | clever: | but 0.18's mythtv-setup didnt piss and moan:P |
| [04:16:12] | Shadow____X: | hey clever have you used dvb utils scan before |
| [04:16:14] | banyan: | hmm, they never put anything in to record radio programs, have they? |
| [04:16:25] | clever: | Shadow____X: never used any dvb cards |
| [04:16:33] | Shadow____X: | ah |
| [04:16:47] | Shadow____X: | i dont understand how to use it |
| [04:16:48] | Shadow____X: | heh |
| [04:17:43] | kafkaCA: | shadow.. .that 2nd link i sent is pretty straightfoward.. just doing the steps myself |
| [04:17:45] | kafkaCA: | then using |
| [04:17:51] | kafkaCA: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Adding_D . . . .conf_Format |
| [04:17:54] | Shadow____X: | hmm |
| [04:18:00] | kafkaCA: | and http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB_search |
| [04:18:24] | Shadow____X: | kafkaCA, i use scan instead of dvbscan |
| [04:18:31] | kafkaCA: | all the same thing |
| [04:18:36] | kafkaCA: | rtfm :) |
| [04:18:36] | Shadow____X: | ok |
| [04:18:56] | Shadow____X: | trfm? |
| [04:19:22] | kafkaCA: | read the f'n manual ;) it's in all of those links that dvbscan, scan, scandvb are all just distro "dialects" |
| [04:19:29] | wylie: | does anyone know if the HD-PVR Rev D1 comes pre-loaded with firmware? |
| [04:19:43] | Shadow____X: | ah sorry kafkaCA i am looking |
| [04:20:03] | wylie: | C2 supposedly does, so I'm assuming only the pre-Rev C2 do not have firmware |
| [04:20:07] | kafkaCA: | shadow, no worries |
| [04:20:24] | banyan: | I have somehow lost my mythweb server. Now, I have a main server, and I had it set up at one point to serve out of /mythweb/ but now it tells me that page doesn't exist, so I broke it. |
| [04:21:10] | banyan: | or it would appear that I broke it. |
| [04:24:13] | phix_ (phix_!n=threat@123-243-44-131.tpgi.com.au) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [04:30:46] | phix (phix!n=threat@123-243-44-131.tpgi.com.au) has quit (Connection timed out) | |
| [04:35:59] | olejl (olejl!i=c3e5f234@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-232d3ae2d5500398) has left #mythtv-users () | |
| [04:36:01] | Shadow____X: | got it scaning kafkaCA |
| [04:36:03] | Shadow____X: | heh |
| [04:36:08] | Shadow____X: | guess i should of read more |
| [04:36:14] | kafkaCA: | :) |
| [04:36:46] | clever: | reading allways helps |
| [04:36:55] | kafkaCA: | except when it doesnt |
| [04:36:59] | clever: | but ive met a few people who refuse to read, and want me to do everything:P |
| [04:37:07] | clever: | one of them claims that he cant read |
| [04:38:37] | iamlindoro_: | expecting you to do anything productive is proof positive of their idiocy |
| [04:39:16] | kafkaCA: | lol |
| [04:41:21] | clever: | compared to him, i am a genius:P |
| [04:42:36] | MartinCleaver_ (MartinCleaver_!n=martincl@69-196-191-134.dsl.teksavvy.com) has quit () | |
| [04:44:40] | pab (pab!n=pab@dsl231-036-052.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net) has quit ("Never look down on someone unless you're helping them up.") | |
| [04:47:26] | wylie (wylie!n=wylie@ip70-190-125-87.ph.ph.cox.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | |
| [04:47:58] | notyjoey (notyjoey!n=joe@gateway2.fasti.net) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) | |
| [04:50:22] | lwizardl (lwizardl!n=james@c-68-40-247-128.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [04:50:29] | lwizardl: | Hi |
| [04:50:48] | lwizardl: | anyone here have comcast DCT6200 box? |
| [04:51:45] | Achmed (Achmed!n=acka@82-35-152-46.cable.ubr05.enfi.blueyonder.co.uk) has quit () | |
| [04:53:07] | wagnerrp: | i believe that is a fairly common box |
| [04:54:43] | lwizardl: | I just got mine today |
| [04:55:18] | squidly (squidly!n=squidly@c-71-201-104-67.hsd1.il.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [04:56:44] | Shadow____X: | do you have a pciture |
| [04:57:55] | Shadow____X: | ah |
| [04:57:57] | Shadow____X: | that one |
| [04:58:01] | Shadow____X: | what can you do with it |
| [04:58:17] | wagnerrp: | use it with firewire |
| [04:58:19] | Shadow____X: | i specifically got one with firewire to record off of it |
| [04:58:29] | Shadow____X: | http://images.scripting.com/archiveScriptingC . . . 200_back.jpg |
| [04:58:30] | lwizardl: | well I was wanting to grab HD shows via firewire |
| [04:58:43] | kafkaCA: | i've got one but it's useless w/ comcraptastic in my area |
| [04:58:43] | Shadow____X: | wheres the firewire on that |
| [04:58:49] | kafkaCA: | firewire on the back |
| [04:58:54] | banyan: | ah, at least I'm back to having the same limited functionality I started with when I originally meant to ask about mythweb. |
| [04:58:57] | lwizardl: | the firewire is missing on that pic |
| [04:59:05] | banyan: | this is all I see: http://imagebin.ca/view/W4PkGG.html |
| [04:59:20] | lwizardl: | it should go s-video -> optical -> firewire |
| [04:59:21] | Shadow____X: | ah |
| [04:59:33] | Shadow____X: | right i got one just like the pic no firewire |
| [04:59:42] | lwizardl: | that sucks |
| [04:59:49] | lwizardl: | mine has 2 firewire ports |
| [04:59:59] | Shadow____X: | kafkaCA, ive got a dch 3200 thati can record over firewire and i have comcast |
| [05:00:08] | Shadow____X: | lwizardl, i could just go there and swap it |
| [05:00:14] | kafkaCA: | shadow... i can record over firewire, but only local broadcast |
| [05:00:18] | kafkaCA: | nothing else |
| [05:00:23] | wagnerrp: | time to break out the heat gun and firewire keystones |
| [05:00:23] | Shadow____X: | ah i can record more |
| [05:00:33] | Shadow____X: | wagnerrp, ? |
| [05:00:56] | Shadow____X: | kafkaCA, just relized i can do national geographic in hd |
| [05:01:12] | wagnerrp: | chances are that box is fully firewire capable, your provider just ordered boxes without the firewire jacks installed |
| [05:01:24] | Shadow____X: | hmm sounds like comcast |
| [05:01:26] | kafkaCA: | they have to give you firewire if you request |
| [05:01:31] | kafkaCA: | by law |
| [05:01:40] | wagnerrp: | so you break it open, solder on your own jack, and horribly piss off your provider |
| [05:02:02] | kafkaCA: | shadow... i started off being able to record everything, including hbo, cinemax, etc |
| [05:02:07] | Shadow____X: | wagnerrp, or i could just go to the local place and have them swap it for one that has it |
| [05:02:11] | kafkaCA: | then within 2 mos it was only the local broadcast |
| [05:02:17] | wagnerrp: | but... it was a joke. better (but possibly just as difficult) to just throw the book at the provider and make them give you a new box |
| [05:02:24] | Shadow____X: | kafkaCA, ah what did they do start taking it away |
| [05:02:32] | kafkaCA: | they started encrypting |
| [05:02:39] | kafkaCA: | so that you have to have cablecard or box |
| [05:02:46] | wagnerrp: | i was not actually suggesting you wire on your rented STB |
| [05:02:55] | kafkaCA: | firewire won't do the encrypted |
| [05:03:37] | banyan: | so, why do I only get this very limited subsection of mythweb functionality? I must have something messed up. |
| [05:03:55] | kafkaCA: | ban.. never seen anything like that before |
| [05:04:02] | wagnerrp: | how is it limited? |
| [05:04:08] | banyan: | http://imagebin.ca/view/W4PkGG.html |
| [05:04:21] | Shadow____X: | wagnerrp, i know i wish i could beable to access all of the channels I PAY for though |
| [05:04:23] | iamlindoro_: | By having set the mobile version of mythweb, that's how |
| [05:04:32] | wagnerrp: | banyan: that looks like the WML version |
| [05:04:41] | iamlindoro_: | If only the readme included detailed instructions for setting it back |
| [05:04:45] | iamlindoro_: | alas |
| [05:04:51] | Shadow____X: | iamlindoro, if only |
| [05:04:54] | banyan: | well, that was what was under /usr/share/mythweb... |
| [05:05:17] | iamlindoro_: | COUGHCOUGHCOUGH "If only the readme included detailed instructions for setting it back" |
| [05:05:38] | wagnerrp: | mythweb is mythweb, you just got it stuck in a bad mode and reset it |
| [05:05:45] | wagnerrp: | im not saying there is another set of files somewhere |
| [05:06:01] | kafkaCA: | grr....i'm at a loss now on the pvr500 |
| [05:06:17] | kafkaCA: | iam--i reverted last nite & nothing |
| [05:06:35] | kafkaCA: | today i completely wiped away the install, the svn download and rebuilt everything |
| [05:06:47] | iamlindoro_: | kafkaCA, Sounds like nothing to do with trunk then, probably a configuration issue |
| [05:06:48] | kafkaCA: | w/ blank db & old db i still get recording problems |
| [05:06:59] | kafkaCA: | it works fine w/ 0.21 |
| [05:07:10] | Shadow____X: | so dvbscan includes even encrypted channels huh |
| [05:07:11] | Dagmar: | did you bother upgrading your kernel? |
| [05:07:23] | kafkaCA: | dag.. was that for me? |
| [05:07:31] | Dagmar: | ...and particularly you'll need to upgrade the firmware files. |
| [05:07:33] | wagnerrp: | what are these problems, other than it 'breaking'? |
| [05:07:43] | Dagmar: | It'll continue to be flaky until you do these things. |
| [05:07:50] | kafkaCA: | hold on... i did a write up for the user mailing list |
| [05:08:03] | wagnerrp: | well if its on the mailing list, ill just check there |
| [05:08:07] | wagnerrp: | what thread? |
| [05:08:08] | Dagmar: | Hey, look at me... Astonishingly not caring about any write up |
| [05:08:30] | kafkaCA: | wagner "problem with pvr500 |
| [05:09:01] | kafkaCA: | dagmar,i'm on 2.6.27–11 from kubuntu |
| [05:09:12] | Dagmar: | ivtv changed a whole lot *still* between 0.21 and now |
| [05:09:27] | Dagmar: | I had to upgrade the damn firmware files here to make my PVR-500 stable again. |
| [05:09:32] | kafkaCA: | dagmar... i've been on trunk for aquie a while |
| [05:09:40] | wagnerrp: | can you 'cat' the /dev node to a file? |
| [05:09:41] | kafkaCA: | and jsut started seeing this in december |
| [05:10:03] | Dagmar: | Then your card is going bad. |
| [05:10:03] | kafkaCA: | yes and it plays fine |
| [05:10:59] | kafkaCA: | dagmar.. it's only in myth that i have the issue |
| [05:11:06] | kafkaCA: | so i don't think the card is bad |
| [05:11:11] | wagnerrp: | so older versions of trunk worked? |
| [05:11:17] | Dagmar: | So you can a) stop using myth to eliminate the problem or b) check your firmware |
| [05:11:26] | kafkaCA: | wagner, yes |
| [05:12:04] | Dagmar: | ...because I'm telling you FOR CERTAIN that between 0.21's release and now I've had to hunt up a new firmware to make my PVR-500 stable again. |
| [05:12:36] | kafkaCA: | dagmar... i haven't had any issue with it being stable until i upgraded trunk in dec |
| [05:12:49] | kafkaCA: | i just don't remember what version i was on before then |
| [05:12:49] | Dagmar: | I thought I was done with the thing being freaky about it when the number of changes to IVTV started to settle between 0.20 and 0.21, but I found out with 0.21.1-fixes that I was mistaken |
| [05:13:01] | Dagmar: | kafkaCA: So downgrade |
| [05:13:09] | kafkaCA: | so what firmware are you using dagmar? |
| [05:14:39] | wagnerrp: | im still using some firmware from back in early 2007 |
| [05:14:40] | Dagmar: | http://www.pastebin.ca/1302444 <-- these |
| [05:15:51] | wagnerrp: | i seem to be using a different v4l-cx25840.fw |
| [05:16:06] | Dagmar: | Yeah and the ivtvdriver's site is LESS than helpful about this, too. |
| [05:16:11] | Dagmar: | It's a real annoyance. |
| [05:16:22] | banyan: | I try its reset trick and it tells me this: Error at /var/www/html/mythweb/modules/settings/handler.php, line 61: |
| [05:16:22] | banyan: | require_once(modules/settings/tmpl/wap/header.php) [function.require-once]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory |
| [05:16:24] | kafkaCA: | i have the same md5 on my files |
| [05:16:44] | Dagmar: | They've got conflicting data up there about which ones to use, and I kinda had to just use my noggin, grab the latest beta package for Win32 from Hauppauge's site and extract the files |
| [05:17:33] | kafkaCA: | oops.. wagner, you're right.. different v4l-cx25840.fw |
| [05:18:12] | kafkaCA: | dagmar, your pvr500 is working w/ current trunk & that list of firmware? |
| [05:18:18] | banyan: | oh, yeah, my 350 since I have upgraded to f9 won't do a decent capture. the 500 is my only workable capture card. |
| [05:18:27] | Dagmar: | Everything was working just fine until the last release, and then I did a complete system upgrade and magically the card was dropping data again like from a year and a half ago |
| [05:18:29] | banyan: | maybe the firmware has something to do with it. |
| [05:18:48] | Dagmar: | kafkaCA: I'm not using trunk because life's too short |
| [05:19:00] | wagnerrp: | my v4l-cx25840.fw is 99836e41ccb28c7b373e87686f93712a |
| [05:19:10] | kafkaCA: | wagner,that's the same one i have |
| [05:19:31] | Dagmar: | Specifically, I'm using SVN revision 18089, which is from the -fixes branch for sane people |
| [05:19:32] | wagnerrp: | my 150s are working with trunk built this morning |
| [05:19:40] | kafkaCA: | hmm |
| [05:19:47] | kafkaCA: | i'm on 19598 right now |
| [05:19:54] | kafkaCA: | trying to fix it |
| [05:20:03] | Dagmar: | Okay so you don't know how SVN release numbers work apparently. |
| [05:20:14] | wagnerrp: | 19586 |
| [05:20:29] | Dagmar: | This one's from back around August 6th, so not terribly old. |
| [05:20:41] | Dagmar: | You can have -fixes and trunk numbers that are side by side, just so you'll know |
| [05:20:57] | kafkaCA: | dagmar well, i'm on trunk as i've stated before |
| [05:21:10] | kafkaCA: | --version shows 19598 and branch of trunk |
| [05:21:11] | Dagmar: | SVN takes the remarkably exciting view that all revision numbers should be contiguous, no matter what branch |
| [05:21:48] | kafkaCA: | wagner... do you know of any diffs in the 500 vs 150 that might cause an issue? (since we're running same firmware versions) |
| [05:22:03] | Dagmar: | There's multiple happy little conexant chips on them |
| [05:22:17] | wagnerrp: | nope, other than a 500 shows up as a pair of 150s |
| [05:22:18] | Dagmar: | It's rather likely one that performs properly with one firmware because it's newer |
| [05:22:32] | kafkaCA: | wagner, that's exactly what i thought |
| [05:22:52] | wagnerrp: | i havent actually looked at any of this stuff in about 2 years |
| [05:23:01] | Dagmar: | When in doubt the IVTV site talks about an "Amity" driver. Grab it and extract from it |
| [05:23:10] | wagnerrp: | it was about that far back the packages got smart enough i didnt have to touch anything |
| [05:23:52] | kafkaCA: | wagner... i haven't had to touch a firmware in years either |
| [05:24:03] | Shadow____X: | the channels.conf left me with a bunch of channels that have no freqid |
| [05:24:17] | kafkaCA: | and since the card works w/ cat /dev and other programs |
| [05:24:41] | Dagmar: | Yeah so you've played back long recordsing you made with cat /dev/blah? |
| [05:24:51] | Dagmar: | Just because it spools data doesn't mean the data is useful |
| [05:25:26] | kafkaCA: | dagmar... yes, they play back |
| [05:25:47] | kafkaCA: | dagmar, are you actually going to be honestly helpful or just bitchy? |
| [05:25:58] | kafkaCA: | thank you for the firmware md5s |
| [05:26:03] | wagnerrp: | kafkaCA: actually, reading back through your email, seems mythtv is having trouble storing, not recording |
| [05:26:08] | saintdev (saintdev!n=saint@unaffiliated/saintdev) has left #mythtv-users ("Leaving") | |
| [05:26:12] | wagnerrp: | the error is on your recording folder |
| [05:26:19] | kafkaCA: | wagner--possibly but the permissions on the oflder are ok |
| [05:26:24] | banyan: | so, that tip on how to reset the mythweb skin doesn't work if your skin is wap. |
| [05:26:24] | kafkaCA: | and there's plenty of room on the device |
| [05:27:15] | kafkaCA: | wagner, the recordings directory is chomod 777 |
| [05:27:20] | kafkaCA: | chmod* |
| [05:27:26] | wagnerrp: | banyan: why would your skin be wap? |
| [05:27:44] | wagnerrp: | WAP IS THE SKIN USED ONLY FOR SMALL WIRELESS DEVICES! |
| [05:27:44] | banyan: | not a frigging clue! |
| [05:27:53] | banyan: | but it is. |
| [05:28:19] | banyan: | is the skin stored in the database somewhere? |
| [05:28:24] | wagnerrp: | so try going into the settings, and changing the skin |
| [05:28:43] | banyan: | here's the beauty of it — the wap skin doesn't include access to the settings. |
| [05:28:51] | banyan: | see where I'm going with this? |
| [05:28:55] | wagnerrp: | oh fun... |
| [05:30:13] | wagnerrp: | so go into the database, and set one manually for your session |
| [05:30:23] | kafkaCA: | wagner: /dev/sda6 652G 340G 312G 53% /mythtv |
| [05:30:30] | wagnerrp: | then you probably need to flush your cookies too |
| [05:30:42] | wagnerrp: | table, mythweb_sessions |
| [05:31:00] | wagnerrp: | part of the big text blob |
| [05:31:25] | wagnerrp: | should be a line 'skin|s:7:"default"' |
| [05:31:56] | wagnerrp: | or, probably easier to just flush that whole table |
| [05:32:18] | Shadow____X: | any ideas on a dvb scan that when the chanels.conf is used it gives freqids = 0 |
| [05:32:33] | wagnerrp: | 'delete from mythweb_sessions;' |
| [05:34:26] | kafkaCA: | wager, besides permissions (chmod 777) and space... what else should i explore if you think this is a write error |
| [05:34:54] | banyan: | ah, had to delete the one session out of the table. |
| [05:34:59] | wagnerrp: | actually, its a read error, which seems odd for storing a stream to a file |
| [05:35:07] | banyan: | now I'm back to the whole shootin' match. |
| [05:35:41] | kafkaCA: | i can play the recordings in the directory fine |
| [05:35:56] | kafkaCA: | both in the frontend and in mplayer |
| [05:36:17] | banyan: | and, as an Italian American, I take exception to these references to wap skin. vafanculo! |
| [05:36:27] | kafkaCA: | hah |
| [05:36:32] | banyan: | :-) j/k |
| [05:36:42] | Dagmar: | What about those darn racist access points? |
| [05:37:30] | wagnerrp: | with your dego moustache and greasy hair ? |
| [05:41:08] | Dagmar: | All those people talking about WAP insecurities |
| [05:41:11] | Dagmar: | So racist! |
| [05:45:04] | kafkaCA: | hmm wagner.. just chcked the directory... there are a bunch of 0 length recordings from my attempts |
| [05:46:57] | wagnerrp: | http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/20 . . . 82mugs5.html |
| [05:47:34] | kafkaCA: | lol |
| [05:47:53] | olejl (olejl!i=c3e5f234@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-13dd6450fe272827) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [05:51:00] | kafkaCA: | wagner... any reason writing/reading to the recording directory would work differently for the 500 vs my HD card? |
| [05:51:22] | wagnerrp: | no clue |
| [05:51:24] | kafkaCA: | k |
| [05:51:51] | kafkaCA: | ugh. |
| [05:52:03] | Dagmar: | Write speeds, perhaps |
| [05:52:16] | kafkaCA: | if anything, the HD would come out for the worse, not the 500 |
| [05:52:22] | Dagmar: | ...although it's pretty hard to have a disk unable to keep up, some people manage it |
| [05:52:23] | kafkaCA: | but the HD works flawlessly still |
| [05:52:37] | Dagmar: | I dont' think you're at that point tho |
| [05:52:47] | kafkaCA: | 500 manages to create the file @ 0bytes |
| [05:52:52] | kafkaCA: | and no further |
| [05:53:45] | kafkaCA: | dagmar, if 1 500 stream is overloading the disk, then we're back in 1980 :) |
| [05:53:58] | Dagmar: | Pretty much. |
| [05:54:18] | Dagmar: | It could be choking the PCI bus because of latency, but that's another "seriously doubtful" realm |
| [05:54:43] | Dagmar: | I had some weird crap going on long ago that's supposedly forcibly fixed in the driver that I had to use setpci to get around initially |
| [05:55:20] | Dagmar: | I've still got /sbin/setpci -v -s 02:08.0 latency_timer=b0 happening in rc.local for both tuner devices tho |
| [05:55:26] | banyan: | that's funny... wonder where "Mr. Karate Kid: dude got that shirt. |
| [05:55:30] | banyan: | I want one! |
| [05:55:40] | kafkaCA: | as i said before this worked flawlessly until ~12/23 |
| [05:55:46] | Dagmar: | Damn elves. |
| [05:55:57] | banyan: | merry f****g christmas. |
| [05:56:00] | banyan: | lol |
| [05:56:33] | kafkaCA: | i did a couple of trunk updates in december, last one corresponded to 23 or 24th (dont remember exactly |
| [05:56:35] | banyan: | maybe somebody had too much egg nog and did a yum upgrade...? |
| [05:56:39] | Dagmar: | It's the ELF Liberation Army at it again. They b steelin mah bites! |
| [05:56:45] | rooau1 (rooau1!n=cameron@ppp118-208-219-56.lns10.mel6.internode.on.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [05:56:50] | kafkaCA: | and bam it's borked |
| [05:56:57] | kafkaCA: | LOL |
| [05:57:00] | rooaus (rooaus!n=cameron@ppp118-208-219-56.lns10.mel6.internode.on.net) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) | |
| [05:57:12] | banyan: | I iz in yr garden, boning yr gnomes. |
| [05:57:15] | Dagmar: | You'll find that rather a LOT of us won't let *anything* update except when absolutely necessary |
| [05:57:27] | Dagmar: | This stuff's a bit too fragile still |
| [05:57:43] | kafkaCA: | i haven't run stable in a couple of years.... i figure i can't code, so give back by testing |
| [05:57:46] | Dagmar: | ...and the testing cycle to figure out what broke is hideously long |
| [05:58:04] | kafkaCA: | this is the first time it's been more than a few hours before something is fixed for me |
| [05:58:13] | kafkaCA: | *knock on wood* guess i've just had good luck |
| [05:58:19] | banyan: | it's the weird little sub-sub-sub dependencies that will bite you. faac2 or stuff like that. |
| [05:59:07] | kafkaCA: | ban... compiles fine but i suppose there could be a library dependency |
| [06:00:19] | banyan: | I used to do regular updates, driven by the paranoia that some of them might be security related. didn't have all that many problems, but back when atrpms carried most of the myth packages, you'd run into issues where atrpms had a competing and not very compatible version of a library that was available elsewhere. |
| [06:00:59] | banyan: | and his version wouldn't be updated by the "correct" one... so your stuff would break because you were missing some library. |
| [06:01:10] | kafkaCA: | ban... oh yeah... i remember those days :) |
| [06:01:28] | banyan: | now it's all on livna or fedora extras and it's much nicer! |
| [06:02:02] | Lexridge: | I thought both of those merged and became rpmfusion. |
| [06:02:36] | Maliuta (Maliuta!n=scooby@kiev.lusan.id.au) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [06:02:40] | banyan: | oh! maybe so. since I stopped compulsively updating, I hadn't noticed. |
| [06:02:44] | kafkaCA: | :) if i weren't trying to help test, i'd be just running the stuff from the ubuntu repository |
| [06:03:33] | poodyp: | so, I have a new remote frontend, and everything seems to be working except playing recordings. I'll try to play one and I just get a black screen for a few seconds and get kicked back to the recordings page |
| [06:03:36] | banyan: | I still don't really know if fedora is the best repo for me to be running, but I figure they'll all have warts, and I know Fedora's. |
| [06:03:45] | poodyp: | any ideas? |
| [06:05:52] | J-e-f-f-A_: | poodyp: make sure your backend's IP is set to the real IP in mythtv-setup, not 127.0.0.1 ... |
| [06:06:03] | poodyp: | got that |
| [06:06:13] | poodyp: | frontend can connect to the backend |
| [06:06:19] | kafkaCA: | anyting in backend log? |
| [06:06:30] | kafkaCA: | or run frontend from a terminal & see anything? |
| [06:06:41] | J-e-f-f-A_ is now known as J-e-f-f-A | |
| [06:06:42] | wagnerrp: | mount the recordings locally, or tell the backend to push the recordings over (in mythtv-setup) |
| [06:07:06] | andreas (andreas!n=andreas@netblock-72-25-106-205.dslextreme.com) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [06:11:34] | poodyp: | I have the recording folder mounted, is there any way to check to see if the frontend knows they're there? |
| [06:12:00] | poodyp: | http://pastebin.com/m642182d1 |
| [06:12:04] | poodyp: | frontend log |
| [06:14:21] | lwizardl (lwizardl!n=james@c-68-40-247-128.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has quit ("Leaving") | |
| [06:15:03] | kafkaCA: | poody, dunno... i have a similar error |
| [06:15:13] | Terrortoertchen (Terrortoertchen!n=Terrorto@g229117236.adsl.alicedsl.de) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [06:15:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | poodyp: Does "/data/MythTV/" exist on the remote frontend, and is it writable by the local user that mythfrontend is running as? |
| [06:17:03] | olejl (olejl!i=c3e5f234@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-13dd6450fe272827) has left #mythtv-users () | |
| [06:17:19] | Terrortoertchen (Terrortoertchen!n=Terrorto@g229117236.adsl.alicedsl.de) has quit (Client Quit) | |
| [06:18:07] | jhulst (jhulst!n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) has quit (Remote closed the connection) | |
| [06:20:02] | Penfold (Penfold!n=mikewh@nsabfw1.nsab.se) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [06:20:05] | poodyp: | J-e-f-f-A: yes |
| [06:21:59] | califdreas (califdreas!n=andreas@netblock-72-25-106-205.dslextreme.com) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | |
| [06:27:22] | Lexridge (Lexridge!n=Lexridge@75.108.69.120) has quit ("Leaving") | |
| [06:27:30] | kafkaCA (kafkaCA!n=rob@c-24-6-91-32.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has left #mythtv-users () | |
| [06:29:04] | TomasuDlrrp is now known as Tomasu | |
| [06:43:44] | Hoxzer (Hoxzer!n=dsadsad@dsl-hkigw7-fe1df900-39.dhcp.inet.fi) has quit ("Lost terminal") | |
| [06:45:58] | dashcloud (dashcloud!n=szakulec@pool-141-158-224-133.phil.east.verizon.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | |
| [06:51:38] | SlicerDicer (SlicerDicer!n=SlicerDi@24-119-155-26.cpe.cableone.net) has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) | |
| [06:52:50] | RyeBrye: | You know those flashing black and white rectangles in the overscan? – I wonder if there is any human who can just look at them as they flash and read them |
| [06:53:25] | poodyp: | superman could |
| [06:55:33] | RyeBrye: | he could probably do it from the radio waves themselves though |
| [06:56:05] | SlicerDicer (SlicerDicer!n=SlicerDi@24-119-155-26.cpe.cableone.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [06:57:05] | poodyp: | well, golden age superman probably |
| [06:57:33] | Penfold (Penfold!n=mikewh@nsabfw1.nsab.se) has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep") | |
| [07:01:48] | poodyp (poodyp!n=poodyp@cpe-76-87-115-2.socal.res.rr.com) has quit () | |
| [07:02:11] | poodyp (poodyp!n=poodyp@cpe-76-87-115-2.socal.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [07:02:59] | mashzmash (mashzmash!n=mash@pool-96-241-233-67.washdc.fios.verizon.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | |
| [07:04:18] | olejl (olejl!i=c3e5f234@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-13dd6450fe272827) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [07:14:54] | Goga777 (Goga777!n=Goga777@shpd-92-101-154-163.vologda.ru) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [07:15:28] | justinh: | poodyp: this remote frontend.. it doesn't happen to have the same hostname as the backend machine does it? |
| [07:15:54] | poodyp: | nope |
| [07:15:59] | justinh: | because mythfrontend checks to see if the file is local first :) |
| [07:15:59] | iamlindoro_: | What, I call *all* my frontends localhost.localdomain! |
| [07:16:29] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: which will be fine if you export the recordings directory & mount it to the same point on all frontends |
| [07:16:44] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [07:17:12] | justinh: | oh bugger. I was supposed to go for a blood test this morning. oh well it'll have to be tomorrow now |
| [07:21:08] | wagnerrp: | youre certainly up early |
| [07:21:28] | wagnerrp: | well, 7am, i guess not |
| [07:21:36] | justinh: | nah not so early |
| [07:21:46] | justinh: | got up at 6am, now at work |
| [07:24:34] | abqjp (abqjp!n=abqjp@c-69-254-145-214.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) has quit () | |
| [07:25:49] | Penfold (Penfold!n=mikewh@nat/yahoo/x-eedd8a2bfd75ad75) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [07:30:24] | d0netsFN: | ryebrye, any word on a myth client for android? |
| [07:30:46] | RyeBrye: | nope, I wouldn't hold my breath |
| [07:30:48] | olejl (olejl!i=c3e5f234@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-13dd6450fe272827) has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") | |
| [07:31:15] | Shadow____X: | i love witch hunts for comcasts changes |
| [07:31:32] | RyeBrye: | burn the witch |
| [07:32:13] | abqjp (abqjp!n=abqjp@c-69-254-145-214.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [07:32:27] | wagnerrp: | you threaten to limit our internets, the geeks go on the war path |
| [07:32:42] | justinh: | the file squirrels, God love em all |
| [07:32:58] | Shadow____X: | i dont believe i can find qam on another carrier in my area |
| [07:33:05] | justinh: | and yet they all say "muhhhh, game demos & linux distros!" |
| [07:33:18] | Shadow____X: | justinh, i like to test |
| [07:33:27] | KraMer (KraMer!n=mark@adsl-70-240-215-231.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) has left #mythtv-users ("Leaving") | |
| [07:33:36] | Shadow____X: | cant blame a guy for wanting to stay ontop of distros |
| [07:33:58] | abqjp (abqjp!n=abqjp@c-69-254-145-214.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) has quit (Client Quit) | |
| [07:33:59] | justinh: | several distros a day would be needed to hit a lot of UK carrier caps |
| [07:34:17] | justinh: | so that's generally why the excuse never washes with me ;) |
| [07:34:32] | wagnerrp: | some people just love their youporn... errr, tube |
| [07:36:31] | zlyzyr (zlyzyr!n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) has quit (Remote closed the connection) | |
| [07:36:59] | Shadow____X: | i still remember the first day i got dsl |
| [07:37:02] | olejl (olejl!i=c3e5f234@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a1eff17912afa867) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [07:37:12] | Shadow____X: | i think i burned my first dsl modem by donwloading too much |
| [07:37:20] | Shadow____X: | discolored from heat |
| [07:37:34] | justinh: | audiogalaxy certainly took a hammering the day I got my cable interwebs |
| [07:37:44] | justinh: | those were the days |
| [07:37:48] | gnome42 (gnome42!n=gnome42@76-10-136-59.dsl.teksavvy.com) has quit (Remote closed the connection) | |
| [07:37:57] | Shadow____X: | heh |
| [07:38:02] | wagnerrp: | i burned my first laptop hard drive by downloading too much |
| [07:38:06] | Shadow____X: | nice |
| [07:38:13] | wagnerrp: | back in my heady days of internet piracy |
| [07:38:23] | wagnerrp: | something about a teenager on a campus OC3... |
| [07:38:28] | Shadow____X: | i remember downloading on win95 :D |
| [07:38:31] | justinh: | and the best thing about it? just the fact you could log in from anywhere & set your client downloading at home |
| [07:59:18] | ** cesman recallins logging onto BBSs w/ 300 baud modem... ** | |
| [07:59:25] | cesman: | N/8/1 |
| [07:59:33] | briand (briand!n=brian@dsl226028.dyndsl.nettally.com) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | |
| [07:59:56] | briand (briand!n=brian@dsl082127.dyndsl.nettally.com) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [07:59:59] | justinh: | yeah we had Micronet800 & Prestel at home for a while. It was too far ahead of its time to take off |
| [08:01:53] | wagnerrp: | i vaugely remember logging onto compuserve on something external rated in bauds, but my first real internet use was on an internal 19.2 modem |
| [08:02:36] | Shadow____X: | i had 56k until 04 :( |
| [08:06:27] | wagnerrp: | ive been on broadband this entire century, although i do remember being frighteningly good at leading a target several hundred ms in TFC |
| [08:07:24] | wagnerrp: | it was almost difficult to relearn when i dropped down to tens of milliseconds |
| [08:07:56] | croppa (croppa!n=stuart@135.27.233.220.exetel.com.au) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [08:18:13] | jamiem (jamiem!n=jm|home@zen.jamiem.com) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [08:19:49] | turbo (turbo!n=brian@dsl086182.dyndsl.nettally.com) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [08:21:02] | briand (briand!n=brian@dsl082127.dyndsl.nettally.com) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | |
| [08:23:51] | banyan (banyan!n=banyan@S0106001cf0fc0c7d.cg.shawcable.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | |
| [08:25:29] | d0netsFN: | question |
| [08:25:33] | d0netsFN: | i go to delete recordings |
| [08:25:47] | d0netsFN: | i delete a few, then i go to watch recordings, and they are still there |
| [08:26:06] | d0netsFN: | how do i delete them? |
| [08:26:11] | d0netsFN: | they arent in delete recordings anymore |
| [08:42:09] | Goga777 (Goga777!n=Goga777@shpd-92-101-154-163.vologda.ru) has quit (Remote closed the connection) | |
| [08:46:17] | kormoc (kormoc!n=kormoc@unaffiliated/kormoc) has quit () | |
| [08:50:49] | justinh: | oh dear oh dear. openivo. what the heck? selling mythtv-based PVRs which have been modified to include 'targetet' advertising |
| [08:52:54] | nuonguy (nuonguy!n=john@c-24-6-174-132.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep") | |
| [08:54:35] | EvilGuru (EvilGuru!n=freddie@dyn1221-225.wlan.ic.ac.uk) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [08:55:01] | Dibblah: | So that annoying guy on the dev list finally wrote some code? |
| [08:55:18] | opentrinity (opentrinity!n=opentrin@host29-15-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [08:55:37] | Dibblah: | Ah. Avilipsha. My brain had blanked him out ;) |
| [08:56:24] | justinh: | Dibblah: no, he's still hanging around looking for people to employ & pay them stock options |
| [08:57:11] | justinh: | one of the people working for him was responsible for how sagetv looks apparently. I wish them luck |
| [09:10:40] | Shadow____X: | does the fcc mandate for the cable companies to distribute sd and hd versions of local broadcast or just sd |
| [09:12:24] | aegis (aegis!n=aegis@71.172.30.237) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [09:12:53] | Solaris444 (Solaris444!n=chatzill@mail.mgtow.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [09:13:50] | Solaris444: | Hi guys, I have a problem with mtd. It seems to start semi-randomly failing DVD rips on the second rip after restarting the process. Any idea what could be causing this? |
| [09:13:56] | justinh: | just mandates they have to distribute em somehow AFAIK |
| [09:14:11] | justinh: | ignore -replies Solaris444 |
| [09:14:13] | justinh: | arse |
| [09:14:41] | Solaris444: | ? |
| [09:14:59] | Solaris444: | what was that about? |
| [09:15:36] | Shadow____X: | thanks justinh i think i am going to call local comcast office and complain to get hd abc and nbc back |
| [09:17:15] | opentrinity (opentrinity!n=opentrin@host29-15-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) has quit ("***debian rules!!***") | |
| [09:18:20] | Lord_Deathscythe (Lord_Deathscythe!n=chris@c-76-18-178-167.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [09:18:34] | Solaris444: | The rip fails because it claims it could not read <some blocks> |
| [09:18:42] | Solaris444: | but restarting mtd usually solves the issue. |
| [09:18:52] | Solaris444: | using 0.21–19 on suse 11 |
| [09:19:41] | Solaris444: | AthlonX2 5000+ |
| [09:19:45] | Solaris444: | 4GB RAM |
| [09:20:25] | Dibblah: | dmesg |
| [09:20:36] | ** justinh notes that some DVDs have 'copy protection' with 'bad' blocks that conventional DVD players skip over ** | |
| [09:20:41] | Dibblah: | Solaris444: Just in case you're not sure, that's for you. |
| [09:21:07] | Shadow____X: | lol |
| [09:21:09] | justinh: | sometimes the best job is the one you do yourself without leaving it to some numb tool |
| [09:22:38] | Dibblah: | AFAIK, the ripper just doesn't retry on bad sectors. |
| [09:23:15] | Solaris444: | justinh: if it was the copy protection then I assume it wouldn't work after restarting mtd. |
| [09:23:42] | justinh: | probably upon the assumption that the bad sector will prolly read the same on a retry.. the nature of optical media being what it is & all ;) |
| [09:24:13] | Solaris444: | thanks Dibblah |
| [09:24:32] | justinh: | you could always try looking in the log! :-O |
| [09:24:55] | Solaris444: | Well, justin, the only thing is that I know someone with an almost identical setup who has ripped over 300 dvds (all legitimately owned may i add) without issue except for a few that were heavily scratchdd |
| [09:25:23] | justinh: | everybody always knows somebody who is an exception to the rule |
| [09:25:31] | justinh: | that isn't what I call evidence |
| [09:26:27] | Solaris444: | ok i understand that, but like i said, i don't see why it would be the copy protection on the disks if mtd works fine after restart. |
| [09:26:35] | Solaris444: | but only for the first rip. |
| [09:27:03] | justinh: | maybe that person has a better optical drive than yours :-P |
| [09:27:14] | Solaris444: | I'm talking a 75% or more failure rate on new and old drives. Same model, same firmware. I checked. |
| [09:27:26] | Solaris444: | Plus I have tried with 3 different optical drives. |
| [09:27:31] | justinh: | you don't see that, and I don't see the point in continuing this conversation |
| [09:28:15] | Solaris444: | justinh: I don't understand why I'm getting so much flak. I have polite to a fault. |
| [09:28:18] | justinh: | mts produces log output AFAIK, so without looking in there you're completely at a loss as to what's going wrong |
| [09:28:22] | justinh: | *mtd |
| [09:28:27] | Solaris444: | I have looked there. |
| [09:28:34] | Solaris444: | I will pastebin it later. |
| [09:28:40] | Solaris444: | I have to head out the door. |
| [09:28:42] | Solaris444: | Thanks. |
| [09:29:16] | Lord_Deathscythe (Lord_Deathscythe!n=chris@c-76-18-178-167.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) has quit ("Leaving") | |
| [09:30:25] | ** justinh takes his phone off the hook ** | |
| [09:36:57] | Dibblah: | Actually, optical media is seriously not repeatable (that's not the phrase I want, but close enough) per-read. |
| [09:37:32] | justinh: | yeah well, who cares :) |
| [09:37:45] | Dibblah: | Due to tracking inaccuracy of the optical head and the seriously non-oriented nature of the tracks. |
| [09:37:59] | Dibblah: | ... to scratches. |
| [09:38:06] | mchou (mchou!n=mchou@unaffiliated/mchou) has quit (Remote closed the connection) | |
| [09:38:19] | Solaris444: | oh Dibblah? If that's the case though, is it normal to get so many read errors? I mean, I can watch the DVDs just fine without them quitting. |
| [09:38:44] | Solaris444: | Or is MythTV's Internal player set to just skip video segments it can't read? |
| [09:39:07] | Dibblah: | Arf. I mean that the head is positioned slightly differently over the disk, which means that due to parallax, it reads "past" the scratch. |
| [09:48:37] | wylie (wylie!n=wylie@ip70-190-125-87.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [09:52:12] | tomtom099 (tomtom099!n=wl@ppp-93-104-101-85.dynamic.mnet-online.de) has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) | |
| [10:33:46] | croppa (croppa!n=stuart@135.27.233.220.exetel.com.au) has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) | |
| [10:34:26] | onixian (onixian!n=xian@151.82.23.212) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [10:34:27] | onixian (onixian!n=xian@151.82.23.212) has quit (Client Quit) | |
| [10:35:27] | waxhead_ (waxhead_!n=pete@124.176.60.153) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [10:41:47] | pheld (pheld!n=heldal@81-31-236-106.net.nc-systems.no) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) | |
| [10:42:54] | drmason (drmason!n=whocares@p4FDD2276.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [10:51:24] | mikal_ (mikal_!n=mikal@69-12-129-6.dsl.static.sonic.net) has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) | |
| [11:03:41] | pheld (pheld!n=heldal@81-31-236-106.net.nc-systems.no) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [11:06:43] | pheld: | is VDPAU_NVIDIA_NO_OVERLAY=1 required for all vdpau-capable cards, or just some of them? |
| [11:08:33] | pheld: | can't play anything on a gtx260/216 without |
| [11:08:52] | justinh: | so? if it works, yay! |
| [11:10:15] | pheld: | works ... well sorta, but gets stuck every now and then. Tryin to work out wether the problem is in vdpau/x or myth |
| [11:10:48] | justinh: | likely vdpau itself |
| [11:11:11] | justinh: | besides it's widely reported that VDPAU issues in mythtv are *not* supported |
| [11:11:12] | pheld: | can sometimes get in via the net and kill mythfrontend, but is sometimes unkillable and reboot is the only way to regain control |
| [11:11:34] | justinh: | that'd be a viddypow problem then |
| [11:12:26] | pheld: | debuggin shows that one thread in the frontend gets stuck in a vdpau function |
| [11:13:34] | justinh: | wow. a beta driver has some bugs in it. hold the front page! |
| [11:13:46] | pheld: | I know it's not supported, so this isn't a complaint. Just experimenting trying to bring thinngs forward (which isn't always appreciated on the dev-chan) |
| [11:16:32] | pheld: | justinh: Where do you suggest people discuss experiments if not here or #mythtv ? |
| [11:17:31] | sid3windr: | mythtv-experimenters! |
| [11:18:39] | justinh: | the nvidia forums? |
| [11:18:54] | pheld: | suppose that'd be fine, but would be nice with a reference somewhere – wiki maybe ;) |
| [11:19:47] | lyricnz (lyricnz!n=simonrob@d58-108-16-155.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [11:22:59] | pheld: | be blunt as in "if you want to experiment with our code, sodd off and bother someone else _here_ or _there_". |
| [11:23:22] | lyricnz: | Hi guys. I just updated my myth boxes to Fedora 10, and to -fixes r19169, and now stability appears even worse than before. Today it went into a flatlining CPU for 8 hours until I noticed. |
| [11:23:30] | lyricnz: | Any fixed bugs with that kind of symptom? |
| [11:24:01] | lyricnz: | (this is backend. Nothing interesting in mythbackend.log) |
| [11:25:08] | lyricnz: | And... (unrelated I think), what do I do about: ERROR when trying to delete file: /GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/mythtv.intranet/1021_20061220185500 .mpg. File doesn't exist. Database metadata will not be remo |
| [11:25:08] | lyricnz: | ved. |
| [11:26:10] | pheld: | lyricnz: just create a mathcing empty file with touch |
| [11:26:20] | lyricnz: | in storage dir? |
| [11:26:24] | pheld: | yes. |
| [11:26:35] | pheld: | the backend will then remove it on next try |
| [11:26:42] | lyricnz: | ta |
| [11:26:52] | lyricnz: | Any ideas about the runaway cpu, or frequent frontend crashes :( |
| [11:27:13] | lyricnz: | Seems much worse the last six months, than the years before that. |
| [11:27:18] | squish102 (squish102!n=squish10@cpe-098-024-067-184.carolina.res.rr.com) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | |
| [11:27:35] | justinh: | obviously nothing to do with mythtv, which seems to get ever more reliable |
| [11:27:41] | lyricnz: | hahah :) |
| [11:28:01] | wylie (wylie!n=wylie@ip70-190-125-87.ph.ph.cox.net) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) | |
| [11:28:01] | gregL_ (gregL_!n=greg@cpe-67-246-41-80.nycap.res.rr.com) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) | |
| [11:28:01] | iamlindoro___ (iamlindoro___!n=iamlindo@12.232.47.78) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) | |
| [11:28:01] | Anduin (Anduin!n=awithers@pdpc/supporter/active/anduin) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) | |
| [11:28:08] | justinh: | I wasn't being funny. I was stating a fact |
| [11:28:45] | squish102 (squish102!n=squish10@cpe-098-024-067-184.carolina.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [11:28:52] | lyricnz: | Dude, I know who you are. I'm sure you've helped me dozens of time before ;) |
| [11:29:21] | justinh: | so? |
| [11:29:21] | justinh: | does that somehow make me a soft touch? |
| [11:29:24] | lyricnz: | But, my experience is that recently especially, the frontend(s) have crashed lots more than they ever did |
| [11:29:26] | wylie (wylie!n=wylie@ip70-190-125-87.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [11:29:26] | gregL_ (gregL_!n=greg@cpe-67-246-41-80.nycap.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [11:29:26] | iamlindoro___ (iamlindoro___!n=iamlindo@12.232.47.78) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [11:29:26] | Anduin (Anduin!n=awithers@pdpc/supporter/active/anduin) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [11:29:36] | lyricnz: | could be some nvidia buggy junk, I guess |
| [11:29:50] | justinh: | my experience is that especially in recent years, my frontend has been very stable since I dumped the epia junk |
| [11:30:19] | justinh: | put it this way, it's so stable I don't need to run mythfrontend in a wrapper script which constantly restarts it |
| [11:30:25] | ** lyricnz ran it on an epia board for a while, but it was just too underpowered. even for sdtv with nvidia card. ** | |
| [11:30:38] | gbee: | lyricnz: he's got a soft centre buried deep somewhere |
| [11:30:43] | lyricnz: | It *used* to be that stable for me, used to go for months wihtout any issues |
| [11:30:58] | lyricnz: | gbee: yeah, I think it |
| [11:31:01] | justinh: | look at what you just said. you upgraded$stuff & now things are fally down |
| [11:31:03] | lyricnz: | 's just his time of the month :) |
| [11:31:15] | ** lyricnz upgraded to try and fix it, didn't wokr. ** | |
| [11:31:21] | ** justinh adds lyricnz to his list ** | |
| [11:31:22] | lyricnz: | Blame nvidia? :) |
| [11:31:26] | gbee: | lyricnz: you really want to get to the cause of it? Then get a backtrace |
| [11:31:29] | tomtom099 (tomtom099!n=wl@ppp-62-216-212-86.dynamic.mnet-online.de) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [11:31:49] | lyricnz: | gbee: what do I do, other than build with -g? |
| [11:32:11] | justinh: | geta backtrace? OH NOES! TAHT MEANZ COMPILERING IT MYSELFZ! |
| [11:32:27] | lyricnz: | Gimme some credit man. |
| [11:32:30] | Doodz (Doodz!n=ss@124.180.192.62) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [11:32:36] | gbee: | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.2 |
| [11:32:45] | justinh: | (and more than likely will stop the problem appearing anyway) :-P |
| [11:32:55] | ** justinh blames packagers ** | |
| [11:33:03] | gbee: | lyricnz: no -g required, --compile-type=debug |
| [11:33:07] | ** lyricnz is running the rpmfusion build right now, to be honest :) ** | |
| [11:33:14] | Doodz: | Hey peoples... just installed Mythbuntu .. can't get TV capture card to be recognised. My capture card works fine in Kaffeine when in Mythbuntu... its a Gigabyte U8000 Hybrid (digital/analog) – I guess I'm stuck at the bit where I select the capture card..not sure which one to choose |
| [11:33:14] | lyricnz: | I even submitted a patch to mythtv, and got it accepted, so not total noob ;) |
| [11:33:41] | justinh: | Doodz: well, for use as a digital card, select the DVB type |
| [11:34:01] | justinh: | for using the analogue section .. forget about it IMHO |
| [11:34:37] | Doodz: | yeah happy to forget about analog.. ok .. so I will choose DVB...and then it should be able to scan for channels ? |
| [11:34:42] | justinh: | yes |
| [11:35:33] | ** lyricnz really likes using packages if possible. It's just so easy :) and Jarod is pretty switched on :) ** | |
| [11:37:02] | justinh: | oh ffs. third day in a row I've been asked if any of my themes will be updated for 0.22. Should I do a fscking press release? |
| [11:37:20] | ** lyricnz chuckles ** | |
| [11:37:23] | Doodz: | justinh: ok so I've selected DVB type. now if I go to 'Channel Editor' the 'Scan for channels' option is not selectable... |
| [11:37:48] | lyricnz: | Doodz: did it come up with info about your card, when you selected it? |
| [11:38:01] | lyricnz: | if not, mythtvsetup couldn't open the device, which means drivers etc are not loaded properly. |
| [11:38:04] | justinh: | did you overlook anything on the first page of capture card setup? like errors perhaps? |
| [11:38:35] | justinh: | lyricnz: he's already said it worked with kaffeine so methinks the drivers are worky |
| [11:38:50] | lyricnz: | justinh: coulda worked in analogue? |
| [11:39:01] | Doodz: | lyricnz: Not 100% sure.. it comes up with 'Frontend ID' which is 'DiBcom 7000 PC' .... DVB Device Number is '0' |
| [11:39:04] | justinh: | kaffeine isn't still open is it by any chance? |
| [11:39:26] | lyricnz: | If it comes up with your device name automagically, that's a good sign |
| [11:39:34] | justinh: | kaffeine doesn't do analogue |
| [11:40:04] | Doodz: | no Kaffeine is definitely closed... and if I close MythTv and go into Kaffeine the card works fine and can detect digital channels and play them etc |
| [11:40:26] | gbee: | Doodz: did you do the steps numbered 3–4 between selecting the card and 5. Channel Editor |
| [11:40:28] | gbee: | ? |
| [11:40:42] | Doodz: | gbee: let me review that hang |
| [11:40:59] | ** lyricnz sets up his new machine to build some mythtv goodness ** | |
| [11:41:04] | justinh: | oops. I sort of assumed a user had followed numbered steps in order. My bad |
| [11:41:18] | Doodz: | well the jury is still out.. hang :) |
| [11:41:28] | gbee: | you can't scan for channels until you've added a video source and associated the card with that source |
| [11:41:35] | Doodz: | gbee: I assume your are talking about the steps in the installation manual ? |
| [11:41:56] | ** justinh looks for his grater ** | |
| [11:42:17] | Doodz: | oh .. I might be guilty.. hang on – my prob was I had to manually install my drivers so perhaps didnt repeat the steps earlier on entirely |
| [11:42:39] | gbee: | in mythtv-setup the menu entries are numbered 1–6, they need to be followed in order, if you go back and change something in step 2 you need to go through 3,4,5 again |
| [11:43:07] | Doodz: | gbee: ok checking out now |
| [11:43:18] | gbee: | since they depend on what is selected in the earlier step |
| [11:43:37] | Doodz: | ok im onto step 3 now... |
| [11:44:53] | Doodz: | gbee: and well ok so im in australia.. what's the best for me to select in Video Source...with my card |
| [11:45:09] | justinh: | heh. guy who sits next to me at work isn't impressed I banned my work IP address from www.mythtvtalk.com/forum |
| [11:45:39] | mzb_d800: | heh |
| [11:45:44] | gbee: | dunno, but there should be an entry in the grabber list for Australia |
| [11:46:06] | mzb_d800: | there is, but it won't work afaik |
| [11:46:08] | gbee: | if there isn't then you need to install xmltv and it's scripts |
| [11:46:12] | Doodz: | nup nothing for Aus... |
| [11:46:16] | mzb_d800: | shepherd |
| [11:46:30] | justinh: | I thought EIT was all good in Oz now |
| [11:46:43] | justinh: | or was that news just a malicious rumour? |
| [11:46:47] | mzb_d800: | err ... it's on, but good isn't the word for it |
| [11:46:56] | Doodz: | ok so how to I install xmltv ? apt-get ? or are there some steps somewhere |
| [11:46:57] | gbee: | maybe, in which case select the EIT option for now |
| [11:47:00] | ** justinh goes back to sleep ** | |
| [11:47:08] | Doodz: | EIT ? |
| [11:47:10] | Doodz: | let me see |
| [11:47:12] | gbee: | Doodz: apt-get install xmltv |
| [11:47:16] | lyricnz: | Nah the aussie grabbers are junk, use shepherd, it rocks |
| [11:47:24] | lyricnz: | But you need all that base stuff too |
| [11:47:26] | gbee: | Doodz: Use On Air Guide (or something) |
| [11:47:45] | gbee: | lyricnz: and shepherd isn't an xmltv grabber? |
| [11:48:00] | lyricnz: | it is, but it's not provided as part of xmltv distro etc |
| [11:48:19] | waxhead_: | i've been using shepherd for ages... |
| [11:48:22] | waxhead_: | works well... |
| [11:48:27] | lyricnz: | Yup |
| [11:49:07] | waxhead_: | the EIT stuff in .au sucks.. they aren't consistant... so one week you're recording V8 Supercars and then next it's Supercars and then week after it's just V8's |
| [11:49:08] | Doodz: | scanning for channels now and its picking them up |
| [11:49:11] | waxhead_: | hopeless... |
| [11:49:29] | Doodz: | gbee: so do I still need to install this xmltv... how am I disadvantaged by not doing so.. |
| [11:49:42] | tomtom099 (tomtom099!n=wl@ppp-62-216-212-86.dynamic.mnet-online.de) has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) | |
| [11:49:49] | waxhead_: | shepherd normalises the data somewhat.... and I get a weeks worth of scheuling info!!! |
| [11:49:53] | justinh: | waxhead_: blame the lessez-faire lifestyle in Oz for that. Whatever, mate. Whenever, cobber. |
| [11:49:56] | mzb_d800: | and then it's SUPerCARz, or SUPERCAR, or suprcar ... .etc |
| [11:49:57] | lyricnz: | Hmmm, I notice that rpmfusion -devel has moved from 0.21-fixes to pre-0.22. Any major gotchas there, other than qt4 dependencies? |
| [11:50:03] | gbee: | Doodz: without xmltv it sounds like you'll get inferior program guide data, which makes scheduling recordings harder |
| [11:50:11] | waxhead_: | justinh: too right me china plate! |
| [11:50:17] | Doodz: | gbee: gotcha thanks |
| [11:50:20] | mzb_d800: | it's freetv trying to scrape into their commitment |
| [11:50:31] | lyricnz: | Doodz: you totally want xmltv grabbers, EIT sucks |
| [11:50:34] | mzb_d800: | (by the skin of their teeth) |
| [11:50:47] | lyricnz: | justinh: or is that too noob to ask? :) |
| [11:50:50] | justinh: | ok then.. the actual scheduling timing is down to the lessez-faire nature of the folks there... ;-) |
| [11:50:50] | Doodz: | lyricnz: thanks |
| [11:51:04] | gbee: | lyricnz: don't do it unless you are prepared to following the -commits list and -dev list |
| [11:51:14] | mzb_d800: | justinh: timing is down to the same issue |
| [11:51:22] | at0m|c: | Hi, anyone knows if it'd be posible to set up different repeat rates for different keyboards? I have this remote control that sends keys for like 350ms, making repeating keys on my "real" keyb impossible faster than 350ms :/ |
| [11:51:31] | mzb_d800: | freetv.au don't wan't pvr's |
| [11:51:33] | gbee: | and accept that it may break from time to time, features may be disabled temporarily etc |
| [11:54:20] | mzb_d800: | Doodz: the only other thing you need apart from shepherd is 10mins pre hard pad (start recording prior to scheduled start) and 20min post hard pad (end recording after scheduled finish) |
| [11:54:25] | Doodz: | gbee: it says xmltv is already at the latest version |
| [11:54:42] | mzb_d800: | Doodz: follow the link in the pm |
| [11:55:09] | gbee: | Doodz: some distros split the base xmltv packages from the actual grabbers scripts, try apt-cache search xmltv |
| [11:55:12] | Doodz: | mzb_d800: thanks checking it out |
| [11:55:14] | mzb_d800: | the install script should take care of the rest (along with the instructions) |
| [11:55:16] | waxhead_: | I'm running 5mins either side and it's not too bad.. except channel 7... those f$%^ers just can't stay on time! |
| [11:55:36] | mzb_d800: | like I say, -10/+20 |
| [11:55:37] | lyricnz: | mzb_d800: In .au, you only need 3 minutes pre-pad, that never misses for me. But agree on the 20 minutes post-pad |
| [11:55:52] | justinh: | mzb_d800: awww, you're spoiling the whole vision I had of drunken ex-cons sitting in a shack full of videotapes staring at a clock |
| [11:56:17] | mzb_d800: | yeah, used to have -3/+5 ... but after 15mths (?) I've rounded up/down ;) |
| [11:56:19] | ** lyricnz is running -3/+20 ** | |
| [11:56:23] | gbee: | lyricnz: since you use IRC you might also want to join #mythtv if you use trunk – but just to see what is being discussed, not to join in ;) |
| [11:56:40] | lyricnz: | gbee: I had it on my autojoin until a couple of weeks ago |
| [11:56:57] | mzb_d800: | justinh: heheh... yeah ... "oops, forgot to turn the ads off cock! .... mind pushing the cart out for me?" |
| [11:57:01] | gbee: | basically what I'm saying is that unless you want extra work, don't run trunk |
| [11:57:13] | lyricnz: | I was going to "help" with mythtv, but the community was so utterly unfriendly at the time, I spread my OSS joy elsewhere :) |
| [11:57:33] | lyricnz: | Yeah, I might just rebuild with the latest 0.21-fixes |
| [11:57:59] | gbee: | having people run trunk is great for finding bugs, but only if they know what is a bug and what isn't, how to properly report problems and even better, how to fix them |
| [11:58:00] | justinh: | lyricnz: I still am |
| [11:58:05] | lyricnz: | Yup :) |
| [11:58:22] | ** waxhead_ like apt-get install ** | |
| [11:58:29] | justinh: | somebody's gotta keep the side up |
| [11:58:35] | waxhead_: | trunks hold up the leaves in a tree don't they? |
| [11:59:02] | gbee: | not unfriendly, just weary, battle worn |
| [11:59:25] | justinh: | aka sick & tired |
| [11:59:58] | waxhead_: | it's hard enough in the paid job... worse still where it's what you do for 'enjoyment'.... |
| [12:01:47] | ** lyricnz *tried* to help, recompiled, added debugging code, etc. Then, gets my ticket closed with "wontfix" and comment to upgrade to latest svn. How helpful. ** | |
| [12:02:22] | mzb_d800: | elitism? |
| [12:03:23] | lyricnz: | Nah, just unfriendly. They never want to know if people can code/help. |
| [12:03:38] | justinh: | just be glad mythtv isn't like xbmc where everbody is pandered to |
| [12:04:01] | lyricnz: | It's a tough call for an OSS project. Some people really are just too dim to help ;) |
| [12:04:14] | ** lyricnz spends all his time on Drupal these days. ** | |
| [12:04:16] | lyricnz: | PHP, ick |
| [12:04:17] | ** mzb_d800 blinks ** | |
| [12:04:21] | gbee: | lyricnz: what do you expect if you submit a bug against an old version? How many people do you think work on MythTV at any given time? We need for people to meet us halfway |
| [12:04:51] | waxhead_: | how many contributors to mythtv? |
| [12:04:54] | lyricnz: | It wasn't old at the time (it was the current release). Hell, I was patching the code, and rebuilding it. |
| [12:05:12] | mzb_d800: | current vs trunk? |
| [12:05:36] | justinh: | lyricnz: just blame me & come back :) |
| [12:05:37] | lyricnz: | Yeah, true – but it was *reasonably* current. Don't "we" care about users at all? |
| [12:05:57] | ** justinh doesn't care about anybody but himself. ** | |
| [12:06:05] | waxhead_: | lyricnz: haha... blame justinh.... |
| [12:06:11] | zlyzyr (zlyzyr!n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [12:06:11] | ** lyricnz has been running (and mostly building, patching) mythtv for 6 or so years ** | |
| [12:06:23] | justinh: | but 'we' as in project... I don't think there's an official 'we care' line |
| [12:06:25] | lyricnz: | But I did, hahaha, manage to get one fix committed ;) |
| [12:06:38] | gbee: | the current release eventually reaches a point where we can no longer work on both versions, you've got to understand that |
| [12:06:44] | ** mzb_d800 shows how much he cares by watching a mythtv recording ** | |
| [12:07:12] | ** waxhead_ like #mythtv-users for the acerbic comments from justinh ** | |
| [12:07:26] | gbee: | lyricnz: and if you mean #2090 your patch just added debugging, it wasn't a fix, so you were asking a dev to spend time fixing something which may already have been fixed for the next release |
| [12:08:17] | lyricnz: | It wasn't a patch for commiting, just demonstrating that I was applying some genuine effort, and was clueful enough to make use of any assistance given |
| [12:08:28] | opentrinity (opentrinity!n=opentrin@host29-15-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [12:08:47] | gbee: | lyricnz: and what was wrong about being told to try the latest version instead? I don't think that's unreasonable |
| [12:09:57] | lyricnz: | It's not just that issue, of course. I was trying to improve the released version, that joe-user runs. |
| [12:09:59] | mzb_d800: | almost sounds like a dev discussion ;) |
| [12:10:05] | ** mzb_d800 looks back at the tv ** | |
| [12:10:06] | lyricnz: | It was probably a dvb driver issue, anyway :) |
| [12:10:10] | justinh: | actually I think it's not true about be not caring. I mean if I really genuinely didn't give a damn, why would I be so effing grumpy? |
| [12:10:25] | mzb_d800: | lol |
| [12:10:27] | lyricnz: | I looked for some of my older input, but maybe it was before trac. |
| [12:10:43] | ** mzb_d800 slaps justinh with a care bear ** | |
| [12:10:46] | gbee: | waxhead_: over the years a total of 25 commit access devs, but in any period there aren't more than 5/6 active – on an application with over 1 million lines and hundreds of possible configurations |
| [12:11:02] | lyricnz: | I wonder why that is....... :) |
| [12:11:17] | justinh: | lyricnz: coz users whine too sodding much! |
| [12:11:33] | justinh: | and few people are tick-skinned enough to put up with 'constructive' crit |
| [12:11:37] | lyricnz: | hahah, I'm a dev/user, at least :) |
| [12:12:01] | lyricnz: | I can't find my commit, which actually got past you lot. Must be real old. |
| [12:12:15] | waxhead_: | gbee: that's amazing... |
| [12:12:17] | gbee: | lyricnz: you're still missing the point, we only support the released version up to a point |
| [12:12:17] | justinh: | some of my actual code is in mythtv somewhere |
| [12:12:37] | justinh: | in a few places. that should scare y'all |
| [12:12:55] | waxhead_: | well, I think it's just awesome... not to be a pathetic fan boy or anything here... |
| [12:13:16] | justinh: | I think life is awesome. the sun is pretty awesome. software... less so |
| [12:13:46] | gbee: | waxhead_: of those 6 no more than two know a particular area of code, so for example I know almost nothing about the video decoding/rendering side of things, but Mark K is an expert there and he knows nothing about the UI code |
| [12:13:57] | lyricnz: | Of course it's awesome. Otherwise we wouldn't put up with ya :) |
| [12:14:13] | justinh: | no software is awesome. jesus |
| [12:14:16] | waxhead_: | the way I see it is that if it wasn't software it would be something else, maybe wood work, or a car in a shed... |
| [12:14:24] | justinh: | anybody in awe of lines of code is too easily impressed |
| [12:14:34] | justinh: | or they just use the word 'awesome' too damn often |
| [12:14:34] | ** lyricnz wrote a mythtv module for Drupal, once upon a time. ** | |
| [12:14:42] | lyricnz: | It screen-scraped mythweb on the fly, hahah |
| [12:14:44] | waxhead_: | it's not the LoC, it's the tenacity to do it... |
| [12:14:49] | waxhead_: | learn it... |
| [12:14:57] | gbee: | so are all the devs under a huge amount of pressure and time constraints? yes, can we afford to split our time between supporting/developing two versions? No |
| [12:15:16] | gbee: | do we expect users to understand that? Yes, but some chose not to |
| [12:15:33] | waxhead_: | gbee: it's a fair point.. |
| [12:15:41] | pheld: | is there any patches available to make myth able to continue playing live from DVB (radio presumably) while browsing the gallery or navigating menus? |
| [12:15:52] | mzb_d800: | I'm guessing that each dev doesn't live in a sound-proof box and that they (possibly) have numerous (involved) users that they rely on for feedback |
| [12:15:52] | justinh: | NO! I AM YOUR USER! OBEY ME OR I WILL USE SOMETHING ELSE! |
| [12:16:11] | lyricnz: | What else, exactly? Windows Media Center? :) |
| [12:16:21] | mzb_d800: | (in addition to this channel) |
| [12:16:33] | waxhead_: | that's about the choice you have... and I for one am happy to have the choice... |
| [12:16:40] | inordkuo (inordkuo!n=inorkuo@adsl-226-137-93.int.bellsouth.net) has quit ("Leaving.") | |
| [12:16:53] | waxhead_: | what's even better is the myth – distros.... |
| [12:16:58] | waxhead_: | IMHO of course... |
| [12:17:24] | waxhead_: | and just as happy to sit in #mythtv-users when justinh is around... :) |
| [12:17:39] | justinh: | ducking fanboys |
| [12:18:03] | waxhead_: | maybe one day I'll know enough to answer a question.. the problem is, mythtv just works for me now, so nothing more than the remote is ever used... |
| [12:18:05] | gbee: | lyricnz: if you had actually persisted, shown some patience and understanding then maybe you would be a commit access dev by now – it's something that has to be earned by showing maturity and competence through multiple patch submissions (and not just one liners either) |
| [12:18:30] | ** mzb_d800 throws a care bear at waxhead_ covered in justinh's blood/sweat/tears ** | |
| [12:18:32] | lyricnz: | Hey, I don't have the patience to put up with these phucking users ;) |
| [12:18:36] | Doodz: | mzb_d800: ok I've installed 'Shepherd' and it all went ok ... I've now tried to view TV for the first time.. and when I click enter on watch tv the screen goes blank for a split second and then returns me to the MythTV menu |
| [12:18:51] | mzb_d800: | nothing to do with shepherd |
| [12:18:54] | lyricnz: | Doodz: check the console of mythfrontend |
| [12:18:56] | justinh: | Doodz: time to look in your backend log |
| [12:19:00] | lyricnz: | both :) |
| [12:19:06] | mzb_d800: | ditto |
| [12:19:11] | ** justinh goes out to drown some ickle bunnies ** | |
| [12:19:44] | Doodz: | lyrincz: and how might I got about that ? :) |
| [12:19:48] | Doodz: | oh |
| [12:19:52] | Doodz: | mythbuntu logs ? |
| [12:20:11] | lyricnz: | nah, start mythfront from a terminal, it'll appear on the terminal while the gui is running |
| [12:20:20] | Doodz: | ok hang |
| [12:20:34] | lyricnz: | gui terminal that is, you know, not the tty console |
| [12:20:37] | ** mzb_d800 drop-punts a pre-loved care-bear through the door that justinh walked out of ** | |
| [12:20:43] | edannenbe (edannenbe!n=edannenb@mail.blooparkstudios.de) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [12:21:57] | pheld: | Doodz: if you're using mythbuntu you can read current logs in terminal with "less /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log" and "less /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log" |
| [12:22:19] | lyricnz: | Hmm, my mythfrontend doesn't write any logs |
| [12:22:46] | mzb_d800: | iirc there are options in mythbuntu for debug |
| [12:23:10] | mzb_d800: | another computer (ssh terminals) would help |
| [12:23:21] | pheld: | mythbuntu has wrapper scripts that redirect output |
| [12:23:45] | pheld: | other distro packages may have similar. I don't know. |
| [12:24:11] | gbee: | I don't much like being called unfriendly nor the other devs because most of them bend over backwards to help others, not to mention spending huge amounts of their free time working on MythTV without any sort of reward |
| [12:24:12] | pheld: | doesn't prevent clued people from debugging things manual anyway |
| [12:25:16] | Doodz: | lyricnz: ok so I've started it from a terminal |
| [12:25:43] | _styelz (_styelz!n=yoohoo@2001:5c0:1100:a00:0:0:0:1) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [12:26:42] | mzb_d800: | gbee: that's understandable. Personally, I'd say that the problem is more about this channel, but then perhaps I've not been here long enough to tell |
| [12:26:49] | Doodz: | I guess I will capture everything in a text file |
| [12:28:01] | styelz (styelz!n=yoohoo@m0o0.mooo.com) has quit (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) | |
| [12:28:07] | pheld: | Doodz: to debug playback issues you might want to ask it to print some more info. Try starting the frontend from terminal with "mythfrontend -v playback". |
| [12:29:27] | Caliban (Caliban!n=ianmacd@jiskefet.caliban.org) has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) | |
| [12:30:00] | Caliban (Caliban!n=ianmacd@jiskefet.caliban.org) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [12:30:28] | cesman: | man oh man... |
| [12:31:37] | Doodz: | pheld: ok after puting the -v playback on and attempting to view TV.. the following messages are logged |
| [12:31:38] | pheld: | Doodz: your first priority should be to find out if the back-end starts recording at all. The "-v most" option to mythbackend might be helpful |
| [12:31:42] | Doodz: | 2009-01–07 23:29:19.702 Connecting to backend server: 127.0.0.1:6543 (try 1 of 5) |
| [12:31:42] | Doodz: | 2009-01–07 23:29:19.703 Using protocol version 40 |
| [12:31:42] | Doodz: | 2009-01–07 23:29:19.726 TV: Attempting to change from None to WatchingLiveTV |
| [12:31:42] | Doodz: | 2009-01–07 23:29:19.727 Using protocol version 40 |
| [12:31:42] | Doodz: | 2009-01–07 23:29:20.764 GetEntryAt(-1) failed. |
| [12:31:43] | Doodz: | 2009-01–07 23:29:20.766 EntryToProgram(0@Thu Jan 1 10:00:00 1970) failed to get pginfo |
| [12:31:45] | Doodz: | 2009-01–07 23:29:20.766 TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started |
| [12:31:47] | Doodz: | 2009-01–07 23:29:20.766 TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started |
| [12:31:49] | Doodz: | 2009-01–07 23:29:20.813 TV: Deleting TV Chain in destructor |
| [12:31:51] | mzb_d800: | Doodz! |
| [12:31:51] | Doodz: | 2009-01–07 23:29:20.823 DPMS Deactivated |
| [12:31:52] | mzb_d800: | Doodz! |
| [12:31:53] | mzb_d800: | Doodz! |
| [12:31:53] | Doodz: | 2009-01–07 23:29:20.824 DPMS Reactivated. |
| [12:31:53] | mzb_d800: | Doodz! |
| [12:31:55] | mzb_d800: | Doodz! |
| [12:31:55] | Doodz: | sorry |
| [12:31:56] | cesman: | Doodz: USE pastebin |
| [12:32:07] | Doodz: | I didnt think there was too much .. ok what's the link of pastebin |
| [12:32:09] | Doodz: | sorry |
| [12:32:23] | justinh: | so that was the frontend log, as un-illuminating as it ever is for your symptoms |
| [12:32:31] | Doodz: | haha yeah |
| [12:32:38] | cesman: | pastebin.ca |
| [12:32:40] | justinh: | look in /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log |
| [12:32:43] | cesman: | google pastebin |
| [12:32:58] | pheld: | Doodz: there's nothing to play if the backend doesn't start recording |
| [12:33:01] | cesman: | and you need to take a look at the backend log |
| [12:33:08] | Doodz: | ok |
| [12:34:19] | mzb_d800: | Doodz: this (mostly) gets easier as you get further into (your blossoming addiction to) mythtv |
| [12:35:14] | Doodz: | mzb_d800: yes it all looks very nice.. I've been thru worse thankfully lol.... |
| [12:35:20] | mzb_d800: | Doodz: quick question: if you have a woman, be realistic with expectations+"testing" ... oh, and learn what WAF means ;) |
| [12:35:55] | mzb_d800: | err ... sorry, that didn't turn out to be a question ;) |
| [12:36:03] | ** lyricnz has been getting major hassles from lack of WAF the last few months, with crashes all the time, etc ** | |
| [12:36:08] | ** mzb_d800 tells his 2nd head to be quiet ** | |
| [12:36:22] | Doodz: | so guys just before I get the backend logs... my ip address for my backend defaulted to 127.0.0.1 ... now that I have my wireless network setup I have 192.168.1.1 .. should I be changing it to match ..? or 127.0.0.1 is ok to stay as is |
| [12:36:22] | lyricnz: | Backend *never* crashed, until I "upgraded" (ha) it to Fedora 10 |
| [12:36:38] | gbee: | lyricnz: dare I ask if those crashes have been reported? |
| [12:36:47] | ** gbee ducks behind his desk ** | |
| [12:37:06] | lyricnz: | Errrrr, no. You'll just tell me to update to trunk or something :) |
| [12:37:24] | gbee: | although if they started happening with Fedora 10 it probably going to be a driver or third party lib problem |
| [12:37:24] | ** mzb_d800 casually leaves the room for a few minutes ** | |
| [12:37:28] | justinh: | in the 12 months or so since I junked the flea-pee aye-ay frontend, mythfrontend has crashed only twice, both to do with problems I can't reproduce |
| [12:37:36] | inordkuo (inordkuo!n=inorkuo@97.66.21.169) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [12:37:43] | justinh: | and it gets several hours use every day |
| [12:37:49] | ** lyricnz 's frontend crashes at least once a week. On two different sets of hardware ** | |
| [12:38:11] | gbee: | lyricnz: if we thought the fix for -fixes would take too long and that it had already been fixed in trunk ;) |
| [12:38:14] | justinh: | it's long been due an update too, but I CBA |
| [12:38:57] | ** lyricnz is running 0.21-fixes r19344 – so it's reasonably current ** | |
| [12:39:07] | gbee: | my production frontend hasn't crashed in months, backend even longer |
| [12:39:26] | Akiyuki (Akiyuki!i=TuxGuy@cpe-065-184-185-223.ec.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [12:39:30] | lyricnz: | Fooking nvidia, I bet |
| [12:39:51] | lyricnz: | I'm just checking I can rebuild the rpms with debug now |
| [12:39:54] | Akiyuki: | Anyone here know how to setup httpirc w/ winlirc/lirc ? The site is in itallian, and the instructions do not make any sense on the english page |
| [12:40:22] | gbee: | lyricnz: we're always interested in fixing segfaults assuming the cause can be found and like I said, the fix doesn't take an unreasonable amount of time |
| [12:40:42] | Doodz: | lyricnz: ok I think I may have found an issue..the path for 'LiveTVStorage' can't be set it says the directory is perhaps not writeable when i set it in step 6 |
| [12:41:14] | lyricnz: | gbee: on todays backend crash (wow), nothing in the logs at all. It just went from normal, to pegging one CPU at 100%, and not responding to the frontends... |
| [12:41:44] | lyricnz: | Frontend crashes, I have no idea what happens, nothing interesting on the console iirc |
| [12:43:44] | gbee: | but if the backtrace is points to the driver or something outside of Myth don't get upset when the ticket is closed as Invalid ;) |
| [12:48:07] | ** lyricnz just rebuilt all his rpms with: ./configure --compile-type=debug --enable-debug -g (plus normal stuff) ** | |
| [12:48:17] | waxhead_: | my frontend crashes all the time.. but I put it down to the crappy digital reception we have here... |
| [12:48:19] | lyricnz: | Is that all I need to do to get a backtrace, or run it differently? |
| [12:48:30] | phix_ (phix_!n=threat@123-243-44-131.tpgi.com.au) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | |
| [12:49:10] | gbee: | lyricnz: you then need to run the frontend under gdb |
| [12:49:27] | lyricnz: | ouch |
| [12:49:36] | gbee: | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.2 |
| [12:51:27] | banyan (banyan!n=banyan@S0106001cf0fc0c7d.cg.shawcable.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [12:52:26] | waxhead_ (waxhead_!n=pete@124.176.60.153) has quit ("Ex-Chat") | |
| [12:52:40] | lyricnz: | Hmmm, I did debug build, but binaries seem to be stripped. |
| [12:55:07] | Doodz: | ok peoples I've done a pastebin of the errors that come up when I try to start the backend: http://pastebin.com/d289a992d |
| [12:55:31] | ** lyricnz installs a bunch of debuginfos ** | |
| [12:55:50] | cesman: | Doodz: ERROR: no valid capture cards are defined in the database. |
| [12:56:05] | Doodz: | yes..followed by the I should read the installation instructions ? :D |
| [12:56:29] | Doodz: | well I thought I did select it properly by what I was told here...I was even able to scan for channels etc... |
| [12:56:39] | cesman: | run mythtv-setup (no idea what is is call in mythbuntu) and configure the tuner |
| [12:57:07] | Doodz: | ok im in the control centre |
| [12:57:15] | ** cesman should try to get to bed again ** | |
| [12:57:21] | lyricnz: | Doodz: did you save everything when you exited? when you go back in, is it there? |
| [12:58:14] | Doodz: | checking now...going into MythTV setup |
| [12:59:23] | Doodz: | lyricnz: yeah so its still there I named it 'DVB' comes up in the list as 'DVB:0' |
| [12:59:39] | Doodz: | oh |
| [13:00:29] | Doodz: | I just noticed there are two Video Sources...one which has no known.. |
| [13:00:49] | Doodz: | no name |
| [13:00:55] | lyricnz: | Hmm, these debuginfozzzz are big |
| [13:01:22] | gbee: | D for Delete |
| [13:02:38] | schnuddel (schnuddel!n=klaus@dslb-088-069-220-251.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [13:02:45] | schnuddel (schnuddel!n=klaus@dslb-088-069-220-251.pools.arcor-ip.net) has quit ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12") | |
| [13:04:02] | schnuddel (schnuddel!n=klaus@dslb-088-069-220-251.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [13:06:08] | lyricnz: | gcc-debuginfo?!? 106M sheesh |
| [13:11:25] | lyricnz: | Okay, I'm all setup to get backtraces out of the frontend. |
| [13:11:28] | lyricnz: | Woop |
| [13:11:56] | justinh: | hmmm opencores.org is very interesting indeed |
| [13:16:54] | _styelz is now known as styelz | |
| [13:18:55] | Dibblah: | Yeah, there's even an h.264 baseline encoder in there. |
| [13:19:18] | olejl (olejl!i=c3e5f234@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a1eff17912afa867) has left #mythtv-users () | |
| [13:19:21] | Dibblah: | ... Shame that FPGA stuff is still quite expensive to get set up with :( |
| [13:20:02] | Akiyuki (Akiyuki!i=TuxGuy@cpe-065-184-185-223.ec.res.rr.com) has quit ("Leaving") | |
| [13:20:10] | justinh: | getting really bored now |
| [13:21:35] | ** directhex throws a xilinx at Dibblah ** | |
| [13:22:13] | Dibblah: | You could always do some theming – That always gets you fired up ;) |
| [13:23:01] | justinh: | or knitting |
| [13:23:16] | justinh: | or CV writing |
| [13:25:48] | rooau1: | justinh: If you are interested in HDL processor cores you should look at http://www.gaisler.com/ , the leon core in particular. |
| [13:27:01] | justinh: | not interested so much, just bored |
| [13:27:17] | schnuddel: | hi there |
| [13:27:27] | Doodz: | lyricnz: so I've just gone through the steps of re-adding the capture card etc and then doing a fresh channel scan.... it hasn't fixed the issue where the backend says 'Opening DVB device failed. Device or resource busy (16)' |
| [13:27:44] | lyricnz: | do "lsof | grep dvb" |
| [13:27:46] | justinh: | Doodz: mythbackend still running hmm? |
| [13:27:52] | lyricnz: | see who's got the dvb card open |
| [13:27:57] | Doodz: | oh yeah that's a possibility |
| [13:27:59] | lyricnz: | install lsof if you haven't got it already |
| [13:28:03] | Doodz: | how to I stop the backend from running |
| [13:28:37] | Doodz: | ok got lsof installed |
| [13:28:38] | justinh: | running mythtv-setup on mythbuntu should automagically stop mythbackend, by rights |
| [13:28:59] | Doodz: | yeah that's what I did.. and then came back... I never started it up again ? unless it does it be default |
| [13:31:15] | Doodz: | lyricnz: so what's the lsof syntax to see whats using the card |
| [13:31:34] | lyricnz: | lsof is short for "list of open files" |
| [13:31:48] | lyricnz: | it prints out all of em, just grep for the name of the DVB device |
| [13:32:13] | lyricnz: | grep for /dev/dvb should be enough |
| [13:32:45] | Doodz: | ack there's heaps of them |
| [13:32:53] | lyricnz: | eg: mine is http://pastebin.com/m67ca181d |
| [13:33:03] | lyricnz: | this is mythbackend running. look at the first column |
| [13:39:49] | justinh: | oooo http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/0 . . . .html?page=0 |
| [13:41:28] | lyricnz: | Doodz: did you figure out what had your dvb device open? |
| [13:42:26] | Doodz: | lyricnz: yeah just now ... mybacke is still running |
| [13:42:38] | lyricnz: | killall mythbackend |
| [13:42:55] | Doodz: | ok that done |
| [13:43:01] | Doodz: | now run backend from terminal ? |
| [13:43:03] | lyricnz: | check again |
| [13:43:13] | Doodz: | ok checking first |
| [13:43:25] | lyricnz: | did you get NO errors in mythtv-setup? |
| [13:44:31] | Doodz: | lyricnz: yes I do get an error for the directories set up in step 6...it says they can't be written to >? |
| [13:44:36] | tomtom099 (tomtom099!n=wl@ppp-62-216-212-86.dynamic.mnet-online.de) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [13:44:51] | lyricnz: | you need to fix that too |
| [13:45:02] | lyricnz: | live tv still buffers in the storage directory |
| [13:45:22] | thefront is now known as thefRont | |
| [13:45:29] | justinh: | that's probably the true cause of the problem |
| [13:45:29] | lyricnz: | make the directory manually, and "chmod 777 dirname". You can get more uptight later. |
| [13:45:31] | Doodz: | yeah and that looks like what the main error is |
| [13:45:37] | thefRont: | hey there |
| [13:45:43] | Doodz: | ok hang |
| [13:45:58] | gbee: | justinh: does it work in mythtv yet? |
| [13:46:16] | lyricnz: | gbee: justabout, we just got to his real problem :) |
| [13:46:23] | justinh: | gbee: chips haven't yet gone into production, so I doubt it |
| [13:46:33] | lyricnz: | different "it" whoops! |
| [13:46:44] | gbee: | justinh: joke of course ;) |
| [13:46:49] | thefRont: | I'm trying to compile the windows port of mythtv and the howto says I should refer to a dev if something goes wrong with the MythInstaller script |
| [13:46:59] | thefRont: | well, it won't compile freetype |
| [13:47:02] | justinh: | the bbc tachy blogs make very interesting reading |
| [13:47:04] | thefRont: | this is the error I get |
| [13:47:08] | justinh: | *techy |
| [13:47:10] | thefRont: | http://pastebin.com/mbd0071d |
| [13:47:17] | justinh: | especially the HD engineering dept |
| [13:47:42] | gbee: | who wrote that howto? should really name the guys who wrote the script not the MythTV devs :/ |
| [13:48:44] | Doodz: | lyricnz: ok so it says path 'back/' and patch 'livetv/' doesn't exist for 'LiveTV' and 'DB Backups' respectively.. where do I create them ? |
| [13:49:01] | lyricnz: | wherever you configured them! |
| [13:49:12] | lyricnz: | check the storage part of the config |
| [13:49:31] | Doodz: | I see |
| [13:49:42] | schnuddel: | is anybody of you familiar with "cross-source EIT"? I installed a second DVB-S tuner card and it does not work |
| [13:49:50] | lyricnz: | Doodz: I gotta go to bed, good luck |
| [13:50:10] | Doodz: | lyricnz: thanks for the help! |
| [13:50:22] | lyricnz: | np |
| [13:50:24] | lyricnz (lyricnz!n=simonrob@d58-108-16-155.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au) has quit () | |
| [13:56:07] | justinh: | bloomin heck. andy quested is a member of digitalspy |
| [13:57:07] | gbee: | hmm? |
| [13:58:02] | justinh: | head of engineering, BBC HD |
| [13:58:24] | justinh: | his name used to pop up on credits of a lot of shows in the 80s & 90s.. VT editor |
| [13:58:26] | gbee: | oh |
| [13:59:24] | gbee: | you've a better memory than me, I couldn't name anyone I saw in the credits of a show aside from a handful of actors |
| [14:00:11] | justinh: | I was always interested in the techy side. I used to want to work at the beeb when I grew up |
| [14:02:10] | directhex: | hm. you can still get boards with three PCI slots, even on the brand new intel i7 |
| [14:03:02] | tomtom099 (tomtom099!n=wl@ppp-62-216-212-86.dynamic.mnet-online.de) has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) | |
| [14:04:00] | Doodz: | ok its playing TV now !! YaY |
| [14:04:07] | Doodz: | except its really jerky |
| [14:04:12] | Doodz: | might switch my cpu .. lol |
| [14:06:41] | notyjoey (notyjoey!n=joe@gateway2.fasti.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [14:08:09] | jvs (jvs!n=jvs@cpe90-146-210-116.liwest.at) has quit (Remote closed the connection) | |
| [14:08:28] | schnuddel: | @Doodz try adjusting the playback settings in the frontend configuration menu. This usually helps a lot |
| [14:09:29] | justinh: | *tv playback settings* |
| [14:09:34] | lotia (lotia!n=lotia@host-145.subnet-200.med.umich.edu) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [14:10:22] | Lord_Deathscythe (Lord_Deathscythe!n=chris@c-76-18-178-167.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [14:17:16] | Doodz: | ok checking them out |
| [14:21:04] | Doodz: | hmm real strange |
| [14:21:33] | phix (phix!n=threat@123-243-44-131.tpgi.com.au) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [14:21:41] | troldrik: | CPU/Steam specs? |
| [14:21:44] | justinh: | good grief I get paid more than this web developer advertised job on el reg today. maybe I should count my lucky stars |
| [14:22:01] | Doodz: | right .. when my pc boots up into MythTV...and I try play TV, screen goes blank and does nothing...if I close down front end and restart same result....but if I shutdown front end and kill all backend services... then start backend follow by front end .. tv works |
| [14:30:46] | notyjoey (notyjoey!n=joe@gateway2.fasti.net) has quit (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) | |
| [14:31:29] | mikal_ (mikal_!n=mikal@69-12-129-6.dsl.static.sonic.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [14:32:20] | notyjoey (notyjoey!n=joe@gateway2.fasti.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [14:32:36] | olejl (olejl!n=olejl@92.96.57.34) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [14:34:30] | oxyis (oxyis!n=espenaf@fw.aksess.no) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [14:35:39] | olejl1 (olejl1!n=olejl@92.96.108.208) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [14:37:44] | oxyis: | hei guys. I am trying to rebuild mythtv 0.21 for ubuntu with a critical patch using dpkg-buildpackage, but the build is failing on some x264 code, and I need some kind of H264 decoder for the tv video data, is there a build in H264 decoder beeing used if I compile without --enabled-libx264? |
| [14:39:14] | laga: | oxyis: yes, --enable-libx264 doesn't do anything AFAIR |
| [14:40:11] | oxyis: | good, tnx, will try |
| [14:40:29] | directhex: | isn't linx264 only an encoder? |
| [14:40:33] | directhex: | lib |
| [14:47:27] | iamlindoro_: | yep |
| [14:48:11] | iamlindoro_: | and there's a reason it's not displayed as a configure option (commented out because it's from the ffmpeg configure) but people persist in trying to use it |
| [14:48:29] | justinh: | silly mongs :) |
| [14:48:34] | iamlindoro_: | --enable-MOAR |
| [14:50:10] | justinh: | shouldn't it be ++enable+MOAR though? |
| [14:51:36] | dashcloud (dashcloud!n=szakulec@pool-141-158-224-133.phil.east.verizon.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [14:51:46] | iamlindoro (iamlindoro!n=mcnamara@c-24-23-242-27.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) | |
| [14:52:30] | iamlindoro_: | Back to stupid training today... did two four hour sessions without breaks yesterday, yay |
| [14:53:15] | iamlindoro_: | "Only" three more days of this |
| [14:53:26] | justinh: | doesn't matter. DRM is dead! the MPAA & RIAA are going to die soon! So says some dude on the ML |
| [14:53:29] | iamlindoro_: | With three hours of commutting too |
| [14:53:43] | iamlindoro_: | nostradamus? |
| [14:54:17] | iamlindoro_: | commuting, that is, btw |
| [14:54:37] | justinh: | phew. commutting is a dirty boy's habit |
| [14:55:51] | olejl (olejl!n=olejl@92.96.57.34) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | |
| [14:57:01] | oxyis: | new question; my DVB-T system uses HE-AAC, so I had to apply a patch from this ticket; http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/5487/ using the first patch which is made for 0.21 fixes, the patch only adds codec info to the mpegtables.h and cpp, will there be an internal codec to handle this aac variant or do I need to compile with something enabled? |
| [14:58:00] | justinh: | depends whether or not the version of ffmpeg libraries mythtv uses support he-aac or not |
| [14:58:18] | justinh: | you have nothing to lose when you try it :) |
| [14:58:33] | jduggan: | except your hair |
| [14:58:35] | jduggan: | and patience |
| [14:58:36] | jduggan: | :P |
| [14:58:38] | sid3windr: | and mind |
| [14:58:41] | justinh: | and time |
| [14:58:48] | oxyis: | looks like it didn't work, so I am guessing it's the worng ffmpeg |
| [14:59:02] | justinh: | nothing you can do but try trunk then |
| [14:59:48] | oxyis: | is mythtv compiled againt's ffmpeg as a dependency or is the code actually in mythtv |
| [15:00:06] | justinh: | the code is in mythtv |
| [15:00:23] | banyan (banyan!n=banyan@S0106001cf0fc0c7d.cg.shawcable.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | |
| [15:02:00] | oxyis: | hmm, i see the last patch in the ticket has the actual latm-aac code in it, probably need to apply that then, problem is it's for trunk, hmm, looks like trunk might be the way to go |
| [15:03:06] | oxyis: | tnx for the help guys, gotta run |
| [15:03:10] | justinh: | s/might/is *for you |
| [15:03:50] | oxyis (oxyis!n=espenaf@fw.aksess.no) has quit ("Leaving.") | |
| [15:07:27] | Lord_Deathscythe (Lord_Deathscythe!n=chris@c-76-18-178-167.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) has quit (Remote closed the connection) | |
| [15:07:44] | justinh: | lol. HBO to adapt 'shameless' for US |
| [15:10:24] | phix (phix!n=threat@123-243-44-131.tpgi.com.au) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) | |
| [15:10:33] | phix (phix!n=threat@123-243-44-131.tpgi.com.au) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [15:12:28] | schnuddel (schnuddel!n=klaus@dslb-088-069-220-251.pools.arcor-ip.net) has left #mythtv-users () | |
| [15:13:21] | jduggan: | haha |
| [15:13:39] | jduggan: | it'll be nothing like shameless |
| [15:13:49] | jduggan: | its too culture specific |
| [15:13:50] | jduggan: | :P |
| [15:16:02] | drmason (drmason!n=whocares@p4FDD2276.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has quit () | |
| [15:18:36] | mikeones (mikeones!n=mikeones@pool-71-164-133-37.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) has quit ("leaving") | |
| [15:18:46] | mikeones (mikeones!n=mikeones@pool-71-164-133-37.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [15:19:51] | jk1joel (jk1joel!n=jsmith@ns.jk1.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [15:21:07] | Lord_Deathscythe (Lord_Deathscythe!n=chris@c-76-18-178-167.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [15:26:43] | mikal_ (mikal_!n=mikal@69-12-129-6.dsl.static.sonic.net) has quit () | |
| [15:32:37] | Penfold (Penfold!n=mikewh@nat/yahoo/x-eedd8a2bfd75ad75) has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep") | |
| [15:35:54] | moodboom (moodboom!n=moodboom@cpe-075-177-134-090.nc.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [15:37:57] | Lord_Deathscythe (Lord_Deathscythe!n=chris@c-76-18-178-167.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) has quit (Remote closed the connection) | |
| [15:40:12] | Doodz (Doodz!n=ss@124.180.192.62) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) | |
| [15:48:40] | hadees (hadees!n=hadees@cpe-67-9-179-169.austin.res.rr.com) has quit (Remote closed the connection) | |
| [15:53:30] | jamiem (jamiem!n=jm|home@zen.jamiem.com) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) | |
| [15:58:59] | javatexan: | darn it...well my wife claims that it is "obviously" not worth $175 to resurrect 1s and 0s from the late 1980s to early 1990s...so I won't be able to get the stuff off that old WD hdd from my 8088....(*sniff, sniff*). |
| [15:59:36] | mikal_ (mikal_!n=mikal@nat/google/x-321cf7546329c1c6) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [16:04:49] | thefRont is now known as thefront | |
| [16:06:33] | o2T7 (o2T7!n=saint@212.225.190.145) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [16:06:40] | o2T7: | hi |
| [16:10:06] | jamesd: | javatexan, you can probably do it for less than $10 if you are paitent.. keep checking local good will stores you will find a AT class machine that may have a RLL controller on board... if not buy machine and search ebay for an rll controller.. shouldn't be hard or expensive. |
| [16:10:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | javatexan: Bummer.... Heck, I might have some really old equipment around here somewhere... |
| [16:11:07] | jamiem (jamiem!n=jm|home@zen.jamiem.com) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [16:11:08] | iamlindoro (iamlindoro!i=4b062c42@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-383f1803574a2326) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [16:11:11] | o2T7: | I've run the command `mythfilldatabase --manual --update` on my backend server and It has been an intense disk drive activity for many hours. It prompted me to insert the info related to 127 channels and now (since about 1 hour ago) it is showing the message "2009-01–07 16:27:52.406 Refreshing data for jue ene 8 2009" |
| [16:12:59] | o2T7: | Watching at the running processes list I can see a `/usr/bin/perl -w /usr/bin/tv_grab_es_laguiatv --config-file /home/yomismo/.mythtv/TV_SP.xmltv --output /tmp/myth4ImHtr --days 1 --offset 1 --quiet` command running |
| [16:13:01] | KraMer (KraMer!n=mark@adsl-70-240-215-231.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [16:13:18] | hadees (hadees!n=hadees@rrcs-97-77-45-90.sw.biz.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [16:14:37] | o2T7: | Is it normal that it spends so much time reading and writing to disk? |
| [16:15:36] | DavidFreeman (DavidFreeman!n=david@c-67-188-41-54.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [16:18:05] | drmason (drmason!n=who@dslb-084-058-049-183.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [16:20:57] | ** iamlindoro punches Udo in the face. Repeatedly. ** | |
| [16:21:32] | GreyFoxx: | hehe |
| [16:21:48] | GreyFoxx: | see his reply to me not watching to move the hardware cause it might affect the memory leak :) |
| [16:22:03] | GreyFoxx: | I highly doubt a "myth" memory leak is related to his motherboard or cpu :) |
| [16:22:10] | iamlindoro: | Then there's the other douchebag who is angry/disappointed that VDPAU isn't living up to his expectations |
| [16:22:28] | dustybin: | free the mallocs() |
| [16:22:54] | GreyFoxx: | to be honest VDPAU decoding has worked quite well for me. Though I am currently using software decoding and the VDPAU renderer and not the decoding |
| [16:25:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | well, I was playing with my FC10/trunk/vdpau box this morning, and it locked up with a partially green screen, completely un-responsive to kb/mouse/ssh... after about 5 mins I power-failed it, and now it just hangs in the boot process with a full 'progress bar' at the bottom, and "Fedora 10" on the right... UGH... |
| [16:26:08] | Dibblah: | J-e-f-f-A: Power it off, unplug it at the wall for the next few minutes. |
| [16:26:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | Dibblah: I did try that, for about 1 mins... will try .onger... |
| [16:26:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | (make that 5 mins..) |
| [16:26:51] | Dibblah: | Someone else had a similar issue. |
| [16:27:01] | GreyFoxx: | I did |
| [16:27:05] | Dibblah: | Fixed? |
| [16:27:21] | GreyFoxx: | hasn't reoccured hehe |
| [16:27:27] | Dibblah: | :) |
| [16:27:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yeah, I was reading that in one of the forums I found while googling... |
| [16:28:14] | [gquit]bombadil ([gquit]bombadil!n=dana@CPE-70-94-44-157.wi.res.rr.com) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | |
| [16:31:15] | MartinCleaver (MartinCleaver!n=martincl@bas3-toronto02-1279724235.dsl.bell.ca) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [16:31:46] | lotia (lotia!n=lotia@host-145.subnet-200.med.umich.edu) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | |
| [16:36:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | .... 8 mins un-plugged, no change... The FC10 Boot progress bar starts out blue, fills to white all the way across, but that's where it sits forever... can't even get to the shell windows via CTRL-ALT-F1 thru F6.... ugh... |
| [16:37:04] | DavidFreeman (DavidFreeman!n=david@c-67-188-41-54.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | |
| [16:37:25] | iamlindoro: | I am sitting at this training listening to the guy behind me talking about his MCE DVR ;) |
| [16:37:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | hdd light flashes briefly every 3 to 8 seconds... |
| [16:39:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Hehe... Have you told him what a real DVR is yet? |
| [16:39:39] | shadash: | iamlindoro: M$ is awesome! There, not you see it in here to |
| [16:40:04] | iamlindoro: | j-e-f-f-a, meh, I don't evangelize |
| [16:40:12] | iamlindoro: | I always end up on the hook for support that way |
| [16:40:27] | shadash: | ha, I've been there |
| [16:40:52] | jamesd: | iamlindoro, you should ask him how many other computers can you watch those programs from? can you set it to program shows using a web interface from anywhere in the world? |
| [16:41:40] | shadash: | ask him to burn they shows he's recorded to a dvd so you can watch them on your system |
| [16:44:15] | J-e-f-f-A (J-e-f-f-A!n=mythtv@pool-173-48-112-114.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has quit ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12") | |
| [16:44:44] | J-e-f-f-A (J-e-f-f-A!n=mythtv@pool-173-48-112-114.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [16:45:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... oops, that was the wrong [X] button to press!!!! DOH! |
| [16:46:19] | iamlindoro: | Udo's back. |
| [16:46:22] | iamlindoro: | "80 euro? I spent less on the multirec feature." |
| [16:46:30] | iamlindoro: | Yes. BEcause you spent 0 on it |
| [16:46:34] | ** J-e-f-f-A prepares to call in an airstrike on his FC10 box... ** | |
| [16:49:47] | iamlindoro: | Response sent, standing by for venomous response. |
| [16:49:53] | Shadow____X (Shadow____X!n=Shadow__@c-24-0-8-231.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) has quit (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) | |
| [16:50:37] | Shadow____X (Shadow____X!n=Shadow__@c-24-0-8-231.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [16:51:50] | iamlindoro: | See http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2009 . . . /243577.html and responses |
| [16:51:56] | jvs (jvs!n=jvs@cpe90-146-210-116.liwest.at) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [16:55:00] | iamlindoro: | Ah, there's the response then. |
| [16:57:47] | edannenbe (edannenbe!n=edannenb@mail.blooparkstudios.de) has quit (Remote closed the connection) | |
| [16:59:56] | GreyFoxx: | it's a fool. let him rot then |
| [17:00:44] | iamlindoro: | I wonder what level of effort *would* be acceptable for him to provide information |
| [17:01:08] | GreyFoxx: | I mean moving the drives/tuners to a new box should be a SIMPLE option |
| [17:01:21] | GreyFoxx: | and not require him to delete the tuners like he seems to think |
| [17:01:32] | GreyFoxx: | and even if he had to ...so ? |
| [17:01:37] | laga: | it's hilarious |
| [17:01:44] | GreyFoxx: | remove the tunes, readd and reset the input connections |
| [17:01:51] | GreyFoxx: | and keep a mysql dump of it prechages |
| [17:01:53] | GreyFoxx: | changes |
| [17:02:30] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: the level he would except is where someone else does it for him. Udo is an ideas man, not a worker bee :) |
| [17:02:42] | iamlindoro: | so it seems! |
| [17:04:01] | GreyFoxx: | I've got one of those at my office |
| [17:04:40] | GreyFoxx: | he feels that giving the workers his thoughts and opinions counts just as much as someone who actually does work or tests his usually stupid and invalid thoughts |
| [17:05:07] | Dibblah: | There could well be a leak in his case. |
| [17:05:18] | Dibblah: | But, his use case is truely pathological. |
| [17:05:34] | GreyFoxx: | Dibblah: Absolutely, e just refuses to take on any of the work in solving his own problem |
| [17:07:25] | MartinCleaver (MartinCleaver!n=martincl@bas3-toronto02-1279724235.dsl.bell.ca) has left #mythtv-users () | |
| [17:09:11] | mikal_ (mikal_!n=mikal@nat/google/x-321cf7546329c1c6) has quit () | |
| [17:10:22] | Dibblah: | "It appears you can't accept that other people live other lives than you, have other opprotunities and choices than you have"... |
| [17:10:44] | Dibblah: | Like the choice Not To Work On Your Problem Because You're A Twonk. |
| [17:10:52] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, no idea what that (or any other) bit meant |
| [17:11:09] | opentrinity (opentrinity!n=opentrin@host29-15-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) has quit ("***debian rules!!***") | |
| [17:16:02] | brayton (brayton!n=brayton@adsl-66-72-38-41.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net) has quit (Remote closed the connection) | |
| [17:23:56] | GreyFoxx: | hehe looks like the other people who were trying to be helpful to him are nowfed up with him too haa |
| [17:24:22] | iamlindoro: | Interested to see his response |
| [17:25:04] | laga: | my response would have been "get the gently caress out" ;) |
| [17:26:03] | iamlindoro: | I'm amused by the notion of having "spent" on multirec... even if he donated, it's *still* not like he "bought" it |
| [17:26:46] | sphery: | which is exactly why the bounty system is broken--he bought it, so he /deserves/ support |
| [17:26:58] | thefront is now known as thefRont | |
| [17:27:04] | sphery: | (that's his opinion, not mine) |
| [17:27:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: maybe he spent time complaining about multirec... |
| [17:27:11] | dgarr (dgarr!n=dgarrett@adsl-76-246-19-246.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [17:27:14] | sphery: | lol |
| [17:28:02] | sphery: | I'm nearly positive that he doesn't want to switch his Myth over to a different computer because he's sure he won't find the "memory leak" when he does so |
| [17:28:14] | iamlindoro: | I'm sure in his mind he has "spent" his time giving what he perceives to be a valuable bug report, too, and that thinks he's given enough to "solve" it |
| [17:29:40] | o2T7: | Where does mythtv-backend store its configuration parameters? |
| [17:29:51] | wagnerrp: | in the database |
| [17:30:03] | GreyFoxx: | and going the vrtual/iptv route avoids the EIT and DVB code... where any leak likely exists |
| [17:30:08] | wagnerrp: | all settings (except the login information for the database) is stored in the database |
| [17:30:23] | GreyFoxx: | except for how to reach the database |
| [17:30:25] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [17:31:27] | o2T7: | wagnerrp: I'm trying to locate the port especification, any hint? |
| [17:31:42] | Guest72990 is now known as quantum__ | |
| [17:31:57] | wagnerrp: | standard port for mysql is 3306 |
| [17:31:58] | quantum__ is now known as quantum_ | |
| [17:32:20] | quantum_ is now known as quantum__ | |
| [17:32:40] | o2T7: | wagnerrp: But the backend always starts at a port higher that 6543 |
| [17:33:00] | davedom (davedom!n=davedom@ool-182f0f69.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [17:33:03] | wagnerrp: | mythtv uses ports 6543–6546 for various things |
| [17:33:44] | thefRont: | like recording porn when you are not watching? |
| [17:33:45] | thefRont: | ;) |
| [17:33:54] | gnome42 (gnome42!n=gnome42@76-10-161-112.dsl.teksavvy.com) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [17:34:02] | sphery: | o2T7: mythtv-setup |
| [17:34:51] | o2T7: | oh, ok. mythfrontend seems to connect succesfully to the database. My problem is when I try to watch anything. I always get something like "couldn't connect to backend server" |
| [17:35:05] | Penfold (Penfold!n=mikewh@alysande.altrion.org) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [17:35:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | o2T7: Is mythbackend running??? |
| [17:35:23] | thefRont: | o2T7: make sure you specify the real ip address through mythtv-setup |
| [17:35:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | ^ that too... |
| [17:35:36] | thefRont: | don't use something like 127.0.0.1 which is set as default |
| [17:35:45] | sphery: | o2T7: that's almost definitely because you have specified the master backend ip and/or local backend ip incorrectly. If you have more than 1 (combined frontend/backend) system, you can /not/ use 127.0.0.1 anywhere |
| [17:35:48] | GreyFoxx: | o2T7: On the backend machine, run mythtv-setup and see what the backend IP and "masterbackend" are set to |
| [17:35:54] | GreyFoxx: | make sure your frontend can reach them |
| [17:35:56] | sphery: | o2T7: you specify the ip's in mythtv-setup |
| [17:36:12] | sphery: | GreyFoxx is faster than me |
| [17:36:41] | o2T7: | all is set to 127.0.0.1, as both back and frontend are at localhost |
| [17:36:48] | o2T7: | backend is up and running |
| [17:36:52] | GreyFoxx: | are they both running on the same machine ? |
| [17:37:00] | thefRont: | J-e-f-f-A: I'm just starting a new windows mythtv attempt |
| [17:37:06] | o2T7: | GreyFoxx: That's it |
| [17:37:09] | thefRont: | this time I'm trying the windows port I found in the wiki |
| [17:37:20] | GreyFoxx: | o2T7: K, then it's likely just the backend process isn'trunning |
| [17:37:58] | sphery: | Anyone here use MythFlix or MythZoneMinder? I need a list of tables in the DB and would be forever grateful if a user of one/both would pastebin the output of: echo 'SHOW TABLES;' | mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg |
| [17:38:03] | o2T7: | GreyFoxx: I check it with `netstat -atpn` and it's there. Also, my disk activity is very high when I start it |
| [17:38:23] | GreyFoxx: | o2T7: Run mythfrontend and go to the mythvideo setup area |
| [17:38:26] | o2T7: | but on my frontend log i get "Connecting to backend server: 127.0.0.1:6543" |
| [17:38:39] | GreyFoxx: | make sure you set the start location for where mythvideo shouljd look for stuff |
| [17:38:51] | justinh is now known as Udo | |
| [17:38:52] | GreyFoxx: | cause he backend will use that to scan for media to make available via upnp |
| [17:39:08] | GreyFoxx: | and if it's not set it could scan the intire drive and not just the particular directories :) |
| [17:39:24] | Udo: | nah, this is too trollish even for me |
| [17:39:26] | sphery: | Udo: need help with your valgrinding? :) |
| [17:39:30] | o2T7: | GreyFoxx: Oh, ok |
| [17:39:32] | Udo is now known as justinh | |
| [17:39:39] | hadees: | i'm trying to write udev rules for my ivtv tuners but it isn't working, anyone know whats wrong with this rule? DRIVERS=="ivtv", KERNEL=="video[0–9]*", NAME="v4l/ivtv%n", SYMLINK+="ivtv%n", GROUP="video" |
| [17:39:58] | sphery: | what's not working? |
| [17:40:22] | hadees: | sphery, it just doesn't work, i don't get any ivtv1 or whatever showing up in /dev |
| [17:40:57] | hadees: | this forum post has my udevinfo -a -p $(udevinfo -q path -n /dev/video*) output for my ivtv devices http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-724502.html |
| [17:41:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: wow, taking lessings from iamlindoro ??? ;-) |
| [17:41:18] | iamlindoro: | justinh: HAHAHAHA |
| [17:41:24] | iamlindoro: | Best. Joke. Ever. |
| [17:41:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | er... lessons even... ;-) |
| [17:41:45] | iamlindoro: | Hey now, I came in without my underscores today, leave me alone |
| [17:42:32] | o2T7: | shouldn't the backend appear at netstat's output at port 6543? |
| [17:42:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: justinh — still very funny!!! ;-) |
| [17:43:05] | GreyFoxx: | o2T7: If it's running it should |
| [17:43:20] | GreyFoxx: | o2T7: try stopping mythbackend and run it manually |
| [17:43:31] | o2T7: | GreyFoxx: ok |
| [17:43:44] | GreyFoxx: | it might be wanting some console input regarding database updates or something before completing startup |
| [17:44:19] | o2T7: | GreyFoxx: yeah, now it is listening on that port |
| [17:44:37] | iamlindoro: | YES, new Udo |
| [17:45:05] | iamlindoro: | Now it's getting almost fun |
| [17:45:09] | iamlindoro: | Almost. |
| [17:45:15] | gbee: | if this guy really is being such a pain then why hasn't he been banned already? |
| [17:45:41] | o2T7: | GreyFoxx: thanks :) |
| [17:45:58] | revilootneg (revilootneg!n=oliver@pool-119-65-198-89.dbd-ipconnect.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [17:46:06] | laga: | hahaha |
| [17:46:26] | Penfold (Penfold!n=mikewh@alysande.altrion.org) has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep") | |
| [17:46:27] | gbee: | on one hand I don't think it sends out the right message to ban people from the lists, but on the other he's sounds like a troll |
| [17:49:50] | iamlindoro: | Hee hee, can't wait to see his response to this... |
| [17:50:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | Humph... my FC10 boot issue seems to be something flakey with LCDd... I get an LCDPROC screen with alt-tab, with the hearbeat flashing between "-" and "+"... seems to be hung – anyone know how to break out of it so I can get booted up and fix the issue with LCDd? |
| [17:50:47] | RyeBrye: | J-e-f-f-A|work: what part of the boot is it? can you control-alt-F# to some other screen? |
| [17:51:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | RyeBrye: Nope... can't seem to do squat... that's what's getting me so annoyed... |
| [17:52:02] | RyeBrye: | do you have the install / rescue disc? you can boot from that and tweak stuff – and if you really want you can even chroot to your normal stuff from the boot cd |
| [17:52:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | RyeBrye: FC10 boots in 'text' mode, with bar growing along the bottom line until it fills the whole line except the text "Fedora 10" in the bottom-right side... it goes all the way over, but just hangs... |
| [17:53:27] | RyeBrye: | FC10 didn't boot my new machine at all when I tried one of the later betas of it – and after trying for a few hours to get it to install I just gave up and went with another distro – I hope you have better luck with the release version on your hardware than I did with a late beta on mine |
| [17:53:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | RyeBrye: Yeah, humph... well, I'll work on it in a bit, I've got to get some work done anyways... (working from home due to our nasty "Noreaster" storm... Snow/sleet/hail/freezing rain mess... |
| [17:54:21] | dkeith_ (dkeith_!n=dkeith@pool-173-48-214-127.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [17:54:39] | Anduin: | J-e-f-f-A: edit the boot command in grub, remove the quiet and rhgb lines, maybe throw in a 1 as well |
| [17:54:42] | RyeBrye: | How hard is it to cross-compile a working mythtv setup for x86 on an x86_64 machine? |
| [17:55:46] | andreax (andreax!n=andreaz@p57B97ACD.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [17:56:22] | dkeith (dkeith!n=dkeith@pool-98-118-119-204.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) | |
| [17:57:05] | RyeBrye: | I'm running trunk on my backend which is x86_64 – and am going to set up a frontend tomorrow which is a on a P4 machine – but I'd rather use my extremely balsy backend / frontend to do the compiling rather than compile everything on the P4 machine itself |
| [17:59:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | Anduin: Yep, it's the LCDd daemon... it's popping up on the console, instead of on the LCD, so it's reading the wrong config file somehow... Still can't get access to another console to kill it... |
| [17:59:17] | Led-Hed (Led-Hed!n=LedHed@75.151.70.113) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [17:59:29] | XLV (XLV!n=XLV@unaffiliated/xlv) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [17:59:32] | Anduin: | J-e-f-f-A: it starts before ssh? |
| [18:00:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | Anduin: Looks like my network isn't starting on boot... I tried to resolve that, but doesn't appear to have worked [obviously]... I can't even ping the IP... |
| [18:00:42] | Anduin: | probably NetworkManager being helpful :) |
| [18:00:43] | simcop2387 (simcop2387!n=simcop23@p3m/member/simcop2387) has quit (Remote closed the connection) | |
| [18:01:02] | jhulst (jhulst!n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [18:01:09] | hadees: | i hate udev... |
| [18:01:21] | Anduin: | there is no way that I know of when it gets hung there, everything to do is before a problem |
| [18:01:21] | hadees: | the HDPVRs were so easy to setup |
| [18:02:09] | Anduin: | hadees: something close to what you had works for many, there is info on the ivtv wiki and probably the myth one |
| [18:02:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | Anduin: Ugh... Never had these problems with FC2 thru 8... Maybe I'll dump FC10 and go with MythBuntu or something... ;-) |
| [18:02:44] | hadees: | Anduin, yeah i know, which is why i don't get why mine doesn't work |
| [18:02:48] | Anduin: | every time I update Fedora I swear it is the last time |
| [18:02:57] | Goga777 (Goga777!n=Goga777@shpd-92-101-156-43.vologda.ru) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [18:03:01] | hadees: | Anduin, all i'm really doing is adding in another thing to check, DRIVERS |
| [18:03:53] | sphery: | hadees: try: KERNEL=="video[0–9]*", DRIVERS=="ivtv", NAME="v4l/ivtv%n", SYMLINK+="ivtv%n", GROUP="video" |
| [18:03:59] | Anduin: | hadees: I use DRIVERS=="ivtv" in my rule |
| [18:04:16] | sphery: | (though it may not help, it at least groups the attributes/parent attributes more sensibly :) |
| [18:04:35] | hadees: | Anduin, whats your rule for ivtv cards? |
| [18:05:19] | hadees: | i couldn't seem to find what i thought was a unique identifer, otherwise i wouldn't have done the [0–9] stuff |
| [18:05:22] | sphery: | I wouldn't be surprised if you have to specify parent attributes (the plurals) after the child attrs (I've always done it that way) |
| [18:05:53] | hadees: | sphery, i'll try that when i get home, thanks i guess that would make sense |
| [18:06:13] | _abbenormal: | guy why does myth change the audio settings back to a lower one when i set it to a higher one how would i save it so it wont change back |
| [18:06:15] | sphery: | never tried it the other way, so it may be a red herring |
| [18:06:22] | Anduin: | hadees: I use something close to http://rafb.net/p/xvkxwM20.html |
| [18:06:40] | sphery: | _abbenormal: either let Myth control audio or don't |
| [18:07:04] | sphery: | _abbenormal: i.e. Myth keeps an internal value for volume (I'm assuming you mean volume) and if you change volume outside of Myth, Myth will just change it back |
| [18:07:06] | hadees: | sphery, well Anduin has drivers first so i guess that isn't it |
| [18:07:10] | sphery: | so use Myth to change the value |
| [18:07:21] | _abbenormal: | why then does it not set the right audio then if i change it i get audio until myth changes it back |
| [18:07:29] | hadees: | Anduin, is kernel unique for each card? |
| [18:07:44] | sphery: | _abbenormal: what do you mean by "not set the right audio" |
| [18:07:54] | _abbenormal: | sorry the audio freq is what is changing |
| [18:07:56] | Anduin: | hadees: that is the PCI id |
| [18:08:24] | kslater (kslater!n=kslater@206.193.247.78.nauticom.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [18:08:24] | Anduin: | hadees: (so yes) |
| [18:08:32] | hadees: | Anduin, ah, well i also tried http://pastie.org/354807 and that didn't work |
| [18:08:47] | sphery: | _abbenormal: audio frequency? (meaning sample rate--i.e. 32kHz vs 44.1kHz vs 48kHz?) |
| [18:09:11] | _abbenormal: | i change it to 48000 i get audio then myth changes it back to 32000 |
| [18:09:17] | _abbenormal: | i lose audio |
| [18:09:38] | _abbenormal: | so how do i save it as 48000 |
| [18:09:46] | sphery: | Myth just asks for the sample rate that's used by the audio in the file you're playing back, so if it's a 32kHz recording, Myth asks for 32kHz |
| [18:09:58] | sphery: | are you using passthrough? |
| [18:10:12] | davedom: | yes |
| [18:10:34] | davedom: | I think abbenormal is asking for me |
| [18:10:39] | _abbenormal: | here he is i was asking for davedom |
| [18:11:15] | davedom: | 2 cards, 1 150, 1 cx18 |
| [18:11:16] | sphery: | I'd bet you have specified IEC958 status bits in your passthrough output device that include the 32kHz bit |
| [18:12:03] | davedom: | according to the backend log, the 150(video0) changes the setting to 48000 |
| [18:12:19] | _abbenormal: | thanks sphery |
| [18:12:24] | sphery: | I'm assuming you mean that you have to run "iecset rate 48000" to make it work, right? |
| [18:12:55] | davedom: | actually was using v4l2-ctl to set it to 48000 |
| [18:13:01] | davedom: | the cx18 card |
| [18:13:16] | sphery: | so you're talking about the recording sample rate... You specify that in the recording profile |
| [18:13:21] | sphery: | you need to change it there |
| [18:13:38] | sphery: | (sorry, took me a while to figure out you're not talking about playback rate) |
| [18:14:33] | davedom: | I've tried changing that, but seems stuck on 48000 |
| [18:14:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | Anduin: I'm a dumba$$... Just removed RHGB and QUIET and used interactive startup mode to disable LCDd and lcdproc... now I'm in... |
| [18:14:59] | sphery: | davedom: you really want to use 48kHz for ivtv... I think there are problems with any other value |
| [18:15:29] | Penfold (Penfold!n=mikewh@alysande.altrion.org) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [18:16:11] | davedom: | sphery: I'd agree, just don't know how to get mythtv to set the cx18 to 48000 |
| [18:16:34] | iamlindoro: | recording profiles |
| [18:16:54] | davedom: | sphery: when I use v4l2 to set rate to 48000, myth sets it back to 32000 |
| [18:16:55] | sphery: | davedom: OK, so the ivtv needs 48kHz... Are you saying that the cx18 needs 32kHz? |
| [18:17:09] | davedom: | cx18 needs 48 as well |
| [18:17:18] | sphery: | but it's getting set as 32kHz? |
| [18:17:23] | davedom: | yep |
| [18:17:26] | sphery: | so are you using the exact same recording profile for both? |
| [18:17:30] | davedom: | yep |
| [18:17:44] | sphery: | Do you have 48kHz specified for all profiles? |
| [18:17:49] | davedom: | yep |
| [18:17:56] | Tomasu (Tomasu!n=moose@S010600016cb89986.ed.shawcable.net) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) | |
| [18:18:19] | RyeBrye: | if 48kHz the default for ivtv stuff? I've never bothered looking for what my pvr500 it set up to use |
| [18:18:36] | sphery: | I think 48kHz is default in Myth |
| [18:18:44] | davedom: | well, i think thats where the problem is coming in |
| [18:19:02] | davedom: | cx18 is a copy paste of ivtv, but mythtv tells me its not |
| [18:19:16] | davedom: | well, the mythtv backend log |
| [18:19:26] | sphery: | copy paste? |
| [18:19:33] | davedom: | I can watch tv on the card, but no audio |
| [18:19:38] | davedom: | the driver code |
| [18:19:55] | davedom: | I get audio for it over a remote frontend though |
| [18:20:18] | sphery: | I know nothing of the HVR-1600 (which I assume you're using), so I can't say why it's not working. |
| [18:20:28] | davedom: | aye thats what i'm usig |
| [18:20:43] | davedom: | using 2 cards, 150 and hvr 1600 |
| [18:20:54] | davedom: | the 150, no problems |
| [18:20:56] | sphery: | But, in theory, if all your recording profiles are set to 48kHz audio, then Myth will ask for 48kHz audio--it's not asking for 32kHz audio--so I don't know why your card is being set to 32kHz audio. |
| [18:21:26] | sphery: | You don't have the HVR-1600 set as a V4L device, do you? |
| [18:21:31] | davedom: | nope |
| [18:21:52] | davedom: | set as an MPED-2 Encoders |
| [18:22:10] | davedom: | MPEG-2 Emcoders even |
| [18:22:54] | sphery: | no idea, then... You'll probably need to find an HVR-1600 user and tell them Myth seems to be asking for 32kHz audio when recording on the HVR-1600 in spite of recording profiles being set to 48kHz and see if they have it working/what differs. |
| [18:24:08] | davedom: | I will fire off a few emails :) |
| [18:24:14] | RyeBrye: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythStreams looks like it was written by a shizophrenic |
| [18:24:15] | davedom: | Thanks for the help :) |
| [18:25:30] | iamlindoro: | Haha MythVodka |
| [18:25:49] | RyeBrye: | Anyone using mythvodka? I'm curious how the hulu part of it works |
| [18:26:25] | iamlindoro: | The transcode step is stupid |
| [18:26:30] | RyeBrye: | From the article, it sounds like he just gutted the parts from XBMC and put them into a myth plugin...I've used hulu on boxee and I kind of like it |
| [18:27:05] | sphery: | The Udo thread is getting even better... +1 for David's suggestion (get him to switch to Windows MCE) |
| [18:27:24] | iamlindoro: | sphery: I haven't been too rough on him? |
| [18:27:25] | iamlindoro: | (I Hope) |
| [18:27:32] | RyeBrye: | is this a thread in -users? |
| [18:27:38] | wagnerrp: | i like how the wiki cant get the install commands right |
| [18:28:49] | jgoss (jgoss!n=josh@unaffiliated/jgoss) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | |
| [18:29:07] | jgarvey (jgarvey!n=jgarvey@cpe-098-026-069-229.nc.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [18:30:03] | jgoss (jgoss!n=josh@unaffiliated/jgoss) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [18:30:09] | nuonguy (nuonguy!n=john@c-24-6-174-132.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [18:30:13] | lotia (lotia!n=lotia@host-145.subnet-200.med.umich.edu) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [18:31:09] | sphery: | iamlindoro: not too rough at all... Though I agree with your sentiment, rather than saying, "The bounty paid for the work done to acheive the feature," I'd have said, "The bounty simply served as a small motivation for the developers who paid for the feature with their own time." (Though in the hourly wage part, you did confirm it wasn't a reasonable fee for the services provided, so it's probably just as good.) |
| [18:32:09] | notyjoey (notyjoey!n=joe@gateway2.fasti.net) has quit (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) | |
| [18:33:46] | sphery: | gbee: Nice screen shot... I love it--"Not your grandfather's playbackbox, but close enough that people won't feel lost." I think we should be buying you that food you're off to get. |
| [18:38:27] | Chutt (Chutt!n=ijr@dsl093-011-148.cle1.dsl.speakeasy.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [18:38:27] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v Chutt | |
| [18:41:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ok. boot problem resolved... Seems LCDd auto-installs for bootup on FC10... didn't do that on FC8 and prior... And was reading the default LCDd.conf file, which I didn't update, just the one in ~mythtv/lcd/LCDd.conf... |
| [18:44:20] | gbee: | sphery: thanks, it's nothing fancy, just demonstrates that this isn't the same old UI but without requiring me to think up all new images and layout |
| [18:44:57] | o2T7 (o2T7!n=saint@212.225.190.145) has quit ("byez!") | |
| [18:45:19] | sphery: | yeah, I like it--I'd hate for the default pbb to be the exact same thing after all the work you put in |
| [18:45:20] | gbee: | hopefully gives people a hint of what's possible and maybe they'll be interested in creating new themes based on it |
| [18:46:39] | iamlindoro: | We'll just make sure a few of the new themes are available at release of .22 so that screenshots of those can get out too :) |
| [18:47:18] | gbee: | yeah |
| [18:49:28] | wylie: | anyone on who using the the HD-PVR — I got mine yesterday and got it rolling, but having a couple of issues that might be easy to answer |
| [18:50:13] | iamlindoro: | I'd love to be able to do "gradient" text where each successive value in a buttonlist w/ textarea increments the color value by "x" steps |
| [18:50:54] | gbee: | rainbow text? |
| [18:51:10] | gbee: | ya big hippy |
| [18:51:24] | iamlindoro: | gbee: More like I set the selected to white, and the unselected go from greys to black to fade into the background |
| [18:52:02] | iamlindoro: | ie the selected would be #000000 and I would increment by #333333 per item and stop at #000000 |
| [18:52:03] | gbee: | yeah, I actually want exactly that |
| [18:52:27] | iamlindoro: | er sorry, selected #FFFFFF |
| [18:52:42] | iamlindoro: | and it would be a decrement, I guess |
| [18:52:46] | gbee: | well something similar anyway |
| [18:53:05] | iamlindoro: | you get the idea ;) |
| [18:58:22] | iamlindoro: | gbee: I had a request if you do update your MythVideo preview patch, btw |
| [18:59:07] | iamlindoro: | Was hoping you wouldn't mind adding a quick bit to add videocodec and audiocodec values in videometadata since you'll have the file open. It would be nice to use those flags in theming. |
| [19:00:05] | iamlindoro: | If you don't get around to it but do update/commit the patch, I can do that part myself too |
| [19:01:07] | d0netsFN: | ok im having problems changing the channel |
| [19:01:25] | d0netsFN: | my recordings are off |
| [19:01:34] | wagnerrp: | off? |
| [19:01:36] | d0netsFN: | likei wanted to record stuff on history this morning and it recorded the early show |
| [19:01:49] | d0netsFN: | and when i hit 269 |
| [19:01:54] | iamlindoro: | oh, and resolution, too |
| [19:01:56] | wagnerrp: | is your system clock correct? |
| [19:01:58] | d0netsFN: | its like myth changes the channel but my ir blaster isnt changing the chan |
| [19:02:18] | wagnerrp: | oh, it recorded 'the early show' |
| [19:02:19] | d0netsFN: | hrmm it was messed up wagnerrp |
| [19:02:29] | d0netsFN: | yea it recorded something on a different channel |
| [19:02:36] | wagnerrp: | not the earlier showing |
| [19:02:43] | d0netsFN: | no |
| [19:02:48] | d0netsFN: | like the morning show |
| [19:02:55] | wagnerrp: | yeah, its very likely that your ir blaster is messed up |
| [19:03:03] | wagnerrp: | ive heard thats often painful to get working |
| [19:03:19] | ** justinh has visions of iamlindoro doing Llamatron-wide :-\ ** | |
| [19:03:59] | iamlindoro: | justinh: llamatron? |
| [19:04:14] | justinh: | google :) |
| [19:04:29] | AndyCap: | is this jeff minter related? |
| [19:04:32] | justinh: | yup |
| [19:04:46] | d0netsFN: | it was working fine |
| [19:05:01] | andreax1 (andreax1!n=andreaz@p57B97D17.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [19:05:25] | iamlindoro: | justinh: ouch. I'm hurt. |
| [19:05:56] | justinh: | <colorcycle name="psych1"><start="000000" end="ffffff" random="255" spliff="3 tokes"></colorcycle> |
| [19:06:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | d0netsFN: any lights shining onto your receiver? |
| [19:06:24] | wagnerrp: | what menu item would be the huge toilet? |
| [19:06:24] | iamlindoro: | justinh: ahhhhh, thought you were referring to the last thing I said, wondered what wanting access to more metadata had to do with that ;) |
| [19:06:25] | AndyCap: | HEhe. Neon has since been reprogrammed and significantly expanded and is used in Xbox 360 media visualisation. |
| [19:06:26] | justinh: | alpha fades maybe.. not colours, shirley |
| [19:06:32] | d0netsFN: | what do you mean jeffa? |
| [19:06:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | d0netsFN: Mine will only miss channel-changes if my track light is shining direcly on my receivers... |
| [19:06:39] | tanderson (tanderson!n=gentoofa@gentoo/developer/gentoofan23) has quit ("leaving") | |
| [19:06:40] | iamlindoro: | justinh: I trust you saw what I *want* to do |
| [19:06:45] | d0netsFN: | its right next to the blue light on the directtv box |
| [19:06:58] | justinh: | yeah, not sure colour fades are the way to achieve that effect though |
| [19:07:14] | justinh: | alpha would be better IMHO |
| [19:07:15] | Chutt: | you can do color cycles with individual text lines already.. |
| [19:07:26] | iamlindoro: | justinh: Alpha would be fine too |
| [19:07:35] | iamlindoro: | Chutt: but not auto-incrementing in a buttonlist |
| [19:07:37] | gbee: | iamlindoro: I'll see how simple it would be to get those at the same time, although the file is open I'm just using the preview generator which is fire and forget |
| [19:07:40] | Chutt: | correct |
| [19:08:10] | justinh: | not entirely convinced, but as can be seen from my recent screenshots... |
| [19:08:18] | gbee: | it could be modified to right those to the DB if it's a video, but it seems a little hacky |
| [19:08:57] | iamlindoro: | I have a nice screenshot with what I would like to do at home, but stuck in this training |
| [19:09:39] | iamlindoro: | by concept for the popups is to dim the window, and the button items are a center scrolling buttonlist that is "floating" outside the window and fades on both sides of the selector |
| [19:09:42] | iamlindoro: | er my concept |
| [19:09:56] | d0netsFN: | hrmm ok it just changed the channel fine |
| [19:09:59] | d0netsFN: | earlier when i would hit 268 |
| [19:10:03] | d0netsFN: | it wouldnt change the channel |
| [19:10:10] | d0netsFN: | but the mythtv guide stuff would change at the bottom |
| [19:10:23] | gbee: | I wanted to use something similar for the 'selectors' used in various settings pages and the schedule editor, so you could see what the prev/next values were |
| [19:10:50] | gbee: | very similar idea really |
| [19:10:59] | justinh: | couldn't you just use a mask image on top of the selector? or does the inheritance not go that far? |
| [19:11:10] | iamlindoro: | justinh: can't mask a textarea yet |
| [19:11:10] | gbee: | can't mask text at the moment |
| [19:11:15] | justinh: | ah |
| [19:11:38] | gbee: | it's doable but I'll need to move the mask stuff into the painters first |
| [19:12:18] | gbee: | and read up on how to mask with GL so I don't need to use the QT masking stuff in there |
| [19:12:30] | mchou (mchou!n=mchou@unaffiliated/mchou) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [19:12:30] | iamlindoro: | would also be a very nice effect for menu-ui.xml |
| [19:12:44] | iamlindoro: | that combined with eventual animation would be gorgeous |
| [19:13:09] | iamlindoro: | fades in as slides up into the selected state, etc. |
| [19:13:36] | gbee: | iamlindoro: yeah, I'm going to need to think about having an additional, optional state for buttonitem – for buttons before and after the selected button |
| [19:13:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | d0netsFN: I suggest you use "LiveTV" to test your blaster — jump around channels, and test to see if the IR blaster coul be positioned better, or if something may be interfering with it. You may also need to change the delays in your channel-change script. |
| [19:14:32] | gentoofan23 (gentoofan23!n=gentoofa@gentoo/developer/gentoofan23) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [19:14:54] | justinh: | bah. whatever magic I used last time to mock up a setup on my laptop isn't working now :( |
| [19:15:14] | gbee: | think along the lines of those cover art browsers where the images are scewed away so that they appear to be at an angle, the ones on the left face right, those on the right face left |
| [19:15:25] | iamlindoro: | gbee: yeah, seems like that. I don't envy you all this, wish I were smarter :( |
| [19:15:47] | iamlindoro: | gbee: Yeah, and with the skew/rotation stuff they use you would also want to give an increment too |
| [19:15:53] | justinh: | think this through. import a database, change some vital stuff like IP addresses, then run mythtv-setup to get the schema updted... this should work! |
| [19:16:07] | iamlindoro: | ie position 1 = 10 degree, position 2 = 20 degree, position 3 = 30 degree, etc. |
| [19:16:10] | gbee: | iamlindoro: that one isn't actually very hard, it doesn't require any changes to the way the buttonlist works, just some small additions |
| [19:16:21] | justinh: | gbee: some don't bother with even that |
| [19:16:45] | Led-Hed (Led-Hed!n=LedHed@75.151.70.113) has quit ("Leaving") | |
| [19:16:59] | gbee: | actually the increment stuff is more work, I meant the additional state |
| [19:17:18] | iamlindoro: | gbee: Yeah, right/left, before/after, I understand |
| [19:17:44] | gbee: | just trying to do three things at once hence my replys are a little delayed ;) |
| [19:18:08] | iamlindoro: | :) I'm following |
| [19:18:44] | gbee: | we have to leave some stuff for 0.23 and I'm not saying no to anything at this stage, but some things are more likely to be done in time for 0.22 than others |
| [19:21:50] | andreax (andreax!n=andreaz@p57B97ACD.dip.t-dialin.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | |
| [19:24:35] | Chutt: | gbee, probably be wise to caveat things such that themes for 0.22 might not work for 0.23 |
| [19:25:33] | gbee: | Chutt: I mostly expect the things added post-0.22 will be extensions, additional elements etc rather than changes which break existing themes |
| [19:26:07] | Chutt: | i was thinking things like a moveable highlight image for button lists might have to break the xml format |
| [19:26:14] | Chutt: | or whatnot |
| [19:28:11] | gbee: | it's possible, so maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea to add caveats |
| [19:29:17] | gbee: | we just don't want people deciding not to create a theme because they are waiting for 0.23 instead |
| [19:29:36] | octavsly (octavsly!n=octavian@195-241-244-119.ip.telfort.nl) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [19:29:55] | gentoofan23 is now known as tanderson | |
| [19:30:00] | iamlindoro: | rm ~/themeresources |
| [19:30:04] | iamlindoro: | sorry, wrong window ;) |
| [19:30:11] | ** iamlindoro sits down to wait for .23 ** | |
| [19:30:24] | Chutt: | wouldn't be major changes, obviously |
| [19:30:36] | gbee: | we've never warned about future versions breaking themes before, yet inevitably they always do break between releases because of screen changes |
| [19:30:46] | Chutt: | true |
| [19:32:29] | XLV (XLV!n=XLV@unaffiliated/xlv) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) | |
| [19:33:12] | kormoc (kormoc!n=kormoc@unaffiliated/kormoc) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [19:33:12] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v kormoc | |
| [19:41:56] | javatexan (javatexan!n=aars@rrcs-24-153-239-89.sw.biz.rr.com) has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) | |
| [19:47:33] | davedom (davedom!n=davedom@ool-182f0f69.dyn.optonline.net) has quit ("Loqui") | |
| [19:51:27] | thefRont: | I'm trying to build the windows port of mythtv but I'm having problems compiling qt4 (which is done by the MythInstaller script) so I want to manually compile qt3 as described in the howto. unfortunatly one patch for qt (http://tanas.ca/qt2.patch) is not available. does anyone have this patch? |
| [19:52:18] | Tomasu (Tomasu!n=moose@S010600016cb89986.ed.shawcable.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [19:54:07] | iamlindoro: | thefRont: Again, it's not a dev issue, it doesn't belong in #mythtv |
| [19:54:16] | iamlindoro: | no matter how much of a pain it is |
| [19:54:22] | thefRont: | that's why I'm posting it here ;) |
| [19:54:36] | iamlindoro: | you are continuing to speak in #mythtv |
| [19:54:46] | iamlindoro: | it's not on topic there. Don't. |
| [19:54:50] | thefRont: | ok |
| [19:55:50] | thefRont: | can I assume that you don't have that particular patch available? |
| [19:56:07] | jhulst (jhulst!n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) | |
| [19:56:10] | iamlindoro: | nope, I'd never build on windows, at last check it's virtually unusable |
| [19:58:05] | d0netsFN: | J-e-f-f-A: i used irsend SEND_START |
| [19:58:11] | d0netsFN: | it sends constant signals so i could find a good spot |
| [19:58:25] | d0netsFN: | i will look at the script in a minute |
| [19:58:28] | d0netsFN: | my system clock is wrong |
| [19:58:31] | d0netsFN: | so my guide is all messed up |
| [19:58:41] | d0netsFN: | lemme fix that first |
| [19:58:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | d0netsFN: enable ntp |
| [19:58:48] | d0netsFN: | ntp? |
| [19:59:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | Network Time Protocol. if in the us, sync to north-america.pool.ntp.org |
| [20:00:09] | wagnerrp: | or us.pool.ntp.org |
| [20:00:28] | d0netsFN: | where is that |
| [20:00:49] | wagnerrp: | should be executables ntpd and ntpdate |
| [20:01:22] | wagnerrp: | ntpdate is just a one-time sync, usually done on boot |
| [20:01:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | d0netsFN: normally you can set it from the gui for adjusting your time – "Enable Automatic Time update" or "NTP" somwhere... |
| [20:01:38] | wagnerrp: | ntpd continually slews the local clock to match an external time source |
| [20:04:00] | d0netsFN: | ok an di guess i have to do mythfilldatabase again |
| [20:04:06] | d0netsFN: | why does mine take like 10 minutes to run? |
| [20:04:26] | wagnerrp: | because there is a large amount of data to download and process |
| [20:04:32] | d0netsFN: | ok |
| [20:04:38] | d0netsFN: | lemme restart and make sure the clock will stick |
| [20:04:55] | wagnerrp: | beyond that, theres never been any real push to streamline it |
| [20:05:18] | wagnerrp: | since its just one of those things that gets run late at night which youre asleep and dont care |
| [20:08:02] | tomtom099 (tomtom099!n=wl@ppp-62-216-212-86.dynamic.mnet-online.de) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [20:09:23] | tomtom099: | Why does my mythfrontend scale to a wrong screen size? I am using the box without a real monitor, only the TV is attached via S-video, and at least the BIOS knows about that. Any hints? |
| [20:09:50] | sphery: | and it doesn't take that long on some systems (like my AMD Athlon XP 2400+ based system using Schedules Direct). Using an XMLTV web scraper, it will take a long time because of scraping. Using a system with certain configurations causing improper prioritization, overly conservative frequency scaling, or poorly configured MySQL server, it will be very slow. |
| [20:09:59] | wagnerrp: | mythtv will scale to the resolution of X, unless you tell it otherwise |
| [20:10:03] | Hoxzer (Hoxzer!n=dsadsad@f124b.paawola.tontut.fi) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [20:10:10] | tomtom099: | how can I tell it? |
| [20:10:16] | sphery: | tomtom099: it uses the size of the screen reported by X unless you specify a size of screen |
| [20:10:23] | sphery: | in mythfrontend settings under Appearance |
| [20:10:33] | wagnerrp: | either on the command line with '--geometry' or where sphery said |
| [20:10:55] | tomtom099: | can I tell X to do it correctly in the first place? |
| [20:11:01] | sphery: | don't use geometry for more than a single invocation, though--configure it correctly |
| [20:11:15] | wagnerrp: | yes, thats what youre supposed to do |
| [20:11:16] | sphery: | tomtom099: multi-head/xinerama/twinview/etc? |
| [20:11:19] | d0netsFN: | hrmm |
| [20:11:23] | d0netsFN: | i just changed my bios time |
| [20:11:26] | d0netsFN: | and did what you guys said |
| [20:11:28] | tomtom099: | no plain and simple |
| [20:11:31] | d0netsFN: | it still switched to an hour ahead |
| [20:11:47] | wagnerrp: | d0netsFN: check your time zone settings |
| [20:11:59] | d0netsFN: | well thats one thing |
| [20:12:01] | wagnerrp: | is this in mythtv, or mythweb? |
| [20:12:08] | d0netsFN: | it doesnt ask what timezones |
| [20:12:12] | d0netsFN: | this is ubuntu |
| [20:12:20] | wagnerrp: | correct, linux asks the timezones |
| [20:12:30] | d0netsFN: | iut asks cities |
| [20:12:31] | d0netsFN: | one sec |
| [20:12:36] | wagnerrp: | stored in /etc/localtime, as well as possibly some other locations |
| [20:12:39] | d0netsFN: | you know the little map that has the pink dots? |
| [20:12:49] | wagnerrp: | no, i dont, i dont use ubuntu |
| [20:13:06] | tomtom099: | wagnerp: do you know where that commandline is, which starts myth? |
| [20:13:06] | wagnerrp: | however thats how the time zone data is stored, in relation to a large city in the time zone |
| [20:13:08] | otwin: | d0netsFN: check /etc/timezone |
| [20:13:22] | tomtom099: | it's a mythbuntu 8.10 distro |
| [20:13:26] | otwin: | d0netsFN: and use tzselect to correct if wrong |
| [20:13:29] | jhulst (jhulst!n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [20:13:29] | wagnerrp: | usually, EST/EDT users would use America/New_York as their time zone |
| [20:13:43] | sphery: | d0netsFN: you probably specified the (only use this setting if your system is broken and you don't care to do things right) setting that tells mfdb to change the times on all shows |
| [20:13:45] | justinh: | mythfrontend, tomtom099 |
| [20:14:51] | tomtom099: | sorry if I may sound silly, that's because i am new to this thing. It does it all automatically, and I dont know yet where all these scripts are... |
| [20:15:00] | sphery: | tomtom099: is your screen size set larger than the display size? I.e. if you move your mouse to the corners, does your screen scroll? |
| [20:15:16] | sphery: | tomtom099: or are you just seeing overscan and not understanding it? |
| [20:15:30] | ** justinh wonders how so many noobs find their way into IRC ** | |
| [20:15:42] | tomtom099: | sphery: i have not set it, so i dont know :-( |
| [20:15:53] | sphery: | tomtom099: move the mouse to the corners... |
| [20:15:57] | wagnerrp: | if youre just seeing overscan, you can correct that with the 'tv setup wizard' in the frontends |
| [20:16:14] | drmason (drmason!n=who@dslb-084-058-049-183.pools.arcor-ip.net) has quit () | |
| [20:17:11] | justinh (justinh!n=unknown@cpc1-salf4-0-0-cust54.manc.cable.ntl.com) has quit ("Just can't be bothered at all anymore") | |
| [20:17:42] | tomtom099: | I have found the mythfrontend script now |
| [20:18:15] | d0netsFN: | ok i had to use a city in canada |
| [20:18:22] | d0netsFN: | lemme restart and make sure we are good |
| [20:18:30] | tomtom099: | is it the line near the end, where "mythfrontend.real" is fired up? |
| [20:18:51] | wagnerrp: | mythfrontend.real is probably the actual frontend executable |
| [20:19:07] | tomtom099: | so I could put the --geometry there, right? |
| [20:19:11] | wagnerrp: | you shouldnt be modifying that script unless you know what youre doing |
| [20:19:41] | wagnerrp: | as sphery said, putting in command line flags are a one-off solution |
| [20:19:44] | sphery: | stupid OEM that has the laptop I want has a (costs me) $40 "free upgrade to 250GB HDD from 160GB HDD" that I don't want to pay for (since I can buy a 500GB HDD for $105 or a 320GB for $68). Better than the $150 free upgrade to Blu-Ray player, though. |
| [20:20:06] | wagnerrp: | if you want to do things permanently, change the settings in the GUI |
| [20:20:19] | tomtom099: | do you happend to know why X does it wrong (or where I can tell X to do it right)? |
| [20:20:19] | sphery: | so if I wait 2 more weeks for the next deal, wonder what I'll pay for that I don't want. |
| [20:20:27] | tarbo (tarbo!n=me@unaffiliated/tarbo) has quit ("leaving") | |
| [20:20:32] | wagnerrp: | /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| [20:20:32] | sphery: | tomtom099: I /really/ think you just have overscan |
| [20:20:44] | sphery: | put the mouse cursor in the corner of the screen |
| [20:20:47] | sphery: | can you see it? |
| [20:20:48] | wagnerrp: | but again, you shouldnt be touching that unless you know what youre doing |
| [20:20:51] | sphery: | does the screen scroll?\ |
| [20:20:55] | tomtom099: | what if i dont want to have overscan (it's like a sickness)? |
| [20:21:03] | tarbo (tarbo!n=me@unaffiliated/tarbo) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [20:21:04] | sphery: | then disable it |
| [20:21:06] | wagnerrp: | well then you have to fix your graphics drivers |
| [20:21:11] | sphery: | configure your video card drivers the way you want it |
| [20:21:16] | sphery: | or configure X the way you want it |
| [20:21:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: Laptop drives cost more than desktop drives... you're not going to find a 500GB laptop 2.5" drive for $105... |
| [20:21:16] | wagnerrp: | older nvidia cards allow you to fix that |
| [20:21:24] | wagnerrp: | but it seems to have no effect on newer nvidia cards |
| [20:21:32] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A|work: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . N=2010150380 1309740009&name=500GB |
| [20:21:39] | tomtom099: | no the screen does not scroll. The lower part and the rightmost part are simply unavailable for me, and every video is scaled wrong, too |
| [20:21:49] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A|work: the HDD market has tanked |
| [20:21:52] | wagnerrp: | i imagine ati and intel chips have similar capabilities |
| [20:22:06] | tomtom099: | and most settings dialog boxes are over my screensize :-((( |
| [20:22:16] | wagnerrp: | tomtom099: do you have a 4:3 or 16:9 tv? |
| [20:22:25] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A|work: You can get a 1.5TB desktop drive for $129, so 500GB laptop for $105 follows |
| [20:22:29] | tomtom099: | 4:3 PAL which is about 976x625 |
| [20:22:53] | wagnerrp: | not quite.... |
| [20:23:13] | sphery: | tomtom099: so if your mouse cursor goes off screen a little bit on all 4 corners, you have overscan |
| [20:23:24] | tomtom099: | nono |
| [20:23:32] | wagnerrp: | PAL is typically considered 720x576 |
| [20:23:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: Ok, I stand corrected... wow... |
| [20:23:42] | sphery: | tomtom099: you can also just start an xterm and put it at 0,0 and if it's partly off screen, it's overscan |
| [20:23:51] | tomtom099: | the cursor does never get off |
| [20:23:53] | wagnerrp: | its 625 scanlines because there is additional data used outside the viewable area |
| [20:24:00] | tomtom099: | ok |
| [20:24:11] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A|work: yeah, I was impressed when I first looked (when trying to decide on what options to get for the laptop), too |
| [20:25:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: My work laptop is a Dell Latitude D430 – a little 12" screen — and a 1.8" 80GB hdd... small and light, but not much for expansion options... |
| [20:26:01] | sphery: | tomtom099: then if you're saying you can see all four corners of the X display, then you either have a size specified for the Myth window that's larger than the X display /or/ you're using Xinerama (and, note that /many/ people are using Xinerama and don't know it--especially with the most recent distros) |
| [20:26:11] | wagnerrp: | anyway, resolution shouldnt really matter, unless you manage to get a virtual screen larger than your physical screen |
| [20:26:27] | tomtom099: | sphery i dont want this overscan stuff |
| [20:26:31] | wagnerrp: | it should be obvious if you are setting this up in your X config |
| [20:26:38] | tomtom099: | and i cannot see all. Only top and left. |
| [20:26:43] | wagnerrp: | but not so obvious if your graphics driver is doing that automatically |
| [20:26:49] | wagnerrp: | thats what sphery is trying to figure out |
| [20:27:03] | poodyp (poodyp!n=poodyp@cpe-76-87-115-2.socal.res.rr.com) has quit () | |
| [20:27:27] | wagnerrp: | also, with all analog tv, and nearly all digital tv, you have no option but to have overscan |
| [20:27:30] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A|work: Yeah, I really want a laptop with a 15.4" 1920x1200 display, "large" battery (9- or 12-cell), and--ideally--an AMD processor. It seems that people only make 17" displays at 1920x1200, anymore, though. |
| [20:27:35] | wagnerrp: | the tv overscans, theres nothing you can do about it |
| [20:27:47] | tomtom099: | It's a new installation of mythbuntu 8.10, and i havent touched the X configuration so far, because I dont know where this is done today (I knew it all about 10 years ago) |
| [20:28:01] | wagnerrp: | some graphics drivers can internally scale the video output to minimize overscan |
| [20:28:10] | hadees: | has anyone had a problem getting SPDIF on a HDPVR box to initialize at first? So on windows with my SA 3250HD i can only get the sound SDPIF to work on my HDPVRs after I first having the Component Audio play first. Now i'm not really sure if this is related or not but i never get audio in MythTV although i can't get component audio to work anyway so i'm not sure if it is the same issue |
| [20:28:20] | wagnerrp: | or, you can just use the built in mythtv controls (tv setup wizard) to minimize overscan |
| [20:29:01] | sphery: | tomtom099: right, TV overscans a signal, so your options are to a) tell the video driver to underscan the image within the signal (so it just fits in the displayed portion), b) tell X to underscan the image, or c) adjust your TV to not underscan (though this is not possible on any analog TV's--only on analog monitors) |
| [20:29:33] | tomtom099: | where do I tell X? |
| [20:29:42] | sphery: | or d) learn to appreciate overscan (which removes the garbage from the edges of analog video) |
| [20:30:00] | sphery: | tell X in the modeline |
| [20:30:10] | sphery: | which is the hardest of the 3 possible approaches |
| [20:30:20] | tomtom099: | d is not an option :-) it's far too much, I cannot even do a mythtv-setup on this screen (have to carry a pc monitor there) |
| [20:30:38] | sphery: | or e) tell Myth to make it's window smaller than the X desktop and position it so that it just fits on screen (though this doesn't help you for any other apps) |
| [20:30:59] | wagnerrp: | tomtom099: to be honest, mythtv does not really like small resolutions. it tends to clip off the buttons on the bottom of the screen |
| [20:31:01] | tomtom099: | modeline sounds familiar 8-) |
| [20:31:06] | sphery: | tomtom099: mythtv-setup is pretty much the /only/ part of Myth not designed with overscan in mind--it shouldn't be a problem in mythfrontend |
| [20:31:19] | wagnerrp: | trunk is even worse, text entry lines are cut down to 1 pixel |
| [20:31:29] | tomtom099: | wagnerrp: PAL TV should NOT be small to an application that's built for TV!! |
| [20:31:32] | sphery: | tomtom099: and, you should just use ssh -Y <hostname> to allow X redirect to a /real/ monitor when using mythtv-setup |
| [20:31:38] | sphery: | tomtom099: or VNC or whatever |
| [20:31:52] | tomtom099: | yes vnc shows the whole X screen |
| [20:32:03] | sphery: | tomtom099: you do realize that PAL if 50 years older than what the majority of people are probably using today, right? |
| [20:32:17] | tomtom099: | thats just wrong |
| [20:32:30] | sphery: | <analog>X576 is small compared to 1920x1080 or 1280x720 |
| [20:32:47] | tomtom099: | a vast majority in Germany (and probably some other parts of Europe) is using nothing else |
| [20:32:53] | sphery: | "majority of people" being the majority of people using Myth |
| [20:34:03] | sphery: | though, regardless, PAL with overscan works fine for everything but mythtv-setup |
| [20:34:38] | sphery: | so, just use VNC to run mythtv-setup (which you only do a couple of times and some negligible percentage of time compared to the time you use mythfrontend) |
| [20:35:01] | tomtom099: | most of the settings that are offered in "application" menu are not working :-( |
| [20:35:14] | tomtom099: | because their dialogs are even bigger |
| [20:35:53] | tomtom099: | but i have to live with that. It's only a TV box after all. |
| [20:35:55] | GreyFoxx: | What res is X running? You sure it's not 640x480 or something else ? |
| [20:36:05] | tomtom099: | how do i find out what res is X running? |
| [20:36:30] | Terrortoertchen (Terrortoertchen!n=Terrorto@g229117236.adsl.alicedsl.de) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [20:36:36] | tomtom099: | probably 800x600 or 1024x768 |
| [20:36:39] | sphery: | xdpyinfo |
| [20:36:40] | wagnerrp: | should be able 30 lines down from xdpyinfo |
| [20:37:06] | GreyFoxx: | You can that or xwininfo -root |
| [20:37:34] | tomtom099: | ok X is running 800x600 |
| [20:38:35] | jamesd: | hmm i think that is the same resolution as my cellphone ;-) |
| [20:39:09] | sphery: | tomtom099: and in the mythfrontend log, you should see a line (near the top) like: 2008-12–27 09:33:52.537 Using screen 0, 1920x1080 at 0,0 |
| [20:39:14] | sphery: | what's the resolution it says |
| [20:39:26] | Terrortoertchen: | hi all |
| [20:39:50] | tomtom099: | 2009-01–07 20:12:59.413 Using screen 0, 800x600 at 0,0 |
| [20:40:07] | sphery: | so if anything's off screen, it's because of overscan |
| [20:40:12] | sphery: | what drivers did you say you're using? |
| [20:40:48] | octavsly (octavsly!n=octavian@195-241-244-119.ip.telfort.nl) has quit ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12") | |
| [20:41:06] | tomtom099: | I did not say :-) But how do I find out? Its a VIA board with onboard "VIA Unichrome" graphics |
| [20:41:08] | sphery: | heh, OEM has a screen 1366x768 with an optional upgrade to 1920x1080p (notice the "p") |
| [20:41:45] | sphery: | Hmmm... I don't know how to set overscan/underscan in via drivers, so I can't help with that, but that's probably the easiest approach to "fix" it |
| [20:42:00] | octavsly (octavsly!n=octavian@195-241-244-119.ip.telfort.nl) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [20:42:01] | tomtom099: | shouldnt I simply tell X to start with 720x576? I am not afraid of modelines, that's the way it was done formerly when I was young :-))) |
| [20:42:23] | sphery: | tomtom099: there's a difference between the resolution at which X is rendering the screen and the "output" resolution |
| [20:42:25] | AndyCap: | tomtom099: if you're using tv out the tv encoder may not agree with you |
| [20:43:01] | sphery: | tomtom099: X renders the screen, then the tv out chip samples that screen to create a signal (that's /not/ 720x576, by the way because it's an analog signal with no concept of pixels) that's transmitted to the TV. |
| [20:43:09] | tomtom099: | hmpf :-X |
| [20:43:26] | sphery: | If you run at 720x576, you won't be using square pixels, which will make things much more difficult--especially for non-Myth apps that run |
| [20:43:39] | sphery: | so, the best for TV out is to use 640x480 or 800x600 |
| [20:43:40] | AndyCap: | tomtom099: there's always this. http://www.idiots.org.uk/vga_rgb_scart/ :) |
| [20:44:03] | justinh (justinh!n=unknown@cpc1-salf4-0-0-cust54.manc.cable.ntl.com) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [20:44:32] | justinh: | tomtom099: mode "720x576Noscale".. or it might be "720x576NoScale" – not sure |
| [20:44:34] | sphery: | and if you're worried about a loss of quality from sampling an image that was rendered at a different resolution, don't--the loss of quality is from putting the image into a PAL-compatible format (the only thing worse than that you could do is put it in an NTSC-compatible format :) |
| [20:45:09] | justinh: | so find the "800x600" line in xorg.conf, change it to one of the above "720x576Noscale" then restart X |
| [20:45:30] | tomtom099: | justinh: there are no modelines in xorg.conf (where are they?) |
| [20:45:36] | justinh: | but stuff in mythtv-setup will still end up off the sides of your TV |
| [20:45:45] | sphery: | there are built-in modelines defined in all drivers |
| [20:46:16] | tomtom099: | where do i look when you say "in the driver"? |
| [20:46:41] | wagnerrp: | in the driver documentation if anywhere |
| [20:46:59] | wagnerrp: | theyre compiled into the driver, nowhere you can actually find |
| [20:47:55] | tomtom099: | I am somewhat confused now... |
| [20:49:00] | justinh_ (justinh_!n=unknown@cpc1-salf4-0-0-cust54.manc.cable.ntl.com) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [20:49:02] | tomtom099: | thinking about once when I played with the startup menus, and i fired up a * second * mythfrontend, it did the job right. But I dont know why, and I could not reproduce this behaviour |
| [20:49:08] | justinh_ (justinh_!n=unknown@cpc1-salf4-0-0-cust54.manc.cable.ntl.com) has quit (Client Quit) | |
| [20:49:32] | justinh_ (justinh_!n=unknown@cpc1-salf4-0-0-cust54.manc.cable.ntl.com) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [20:49:56] | justinh (justinh!n=unknown@cpc1-salf4-0-0-cust54.manc.cable.ntl.com) has quit (Nick collision from services.) | |
| [20:49:59] | justinh_ is now known as justinh | |
| [20:50:09] | tomtom099: | It was "prescaling themes" or something like that, for a while, and then everything was the right size and all fit on my screen. In the OTHER mythfrontend it was wrong at the same time |
| [20:50:25] | academy: | Is there a way to stop the bob deinterlacer 'bobbing'? i'm having to use onefield with xvmc-opengl, which blurs a bit. |
| [20:50:39] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [20:50:52] | onixian (onixian!n=xian@host153-145-static.112-81-b.business.telecomitalia.it) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [20:51:03] | justinh: | xmvc? is it still worth the bother? |
| [20:51:18] | onixian (onixian!n=xian@host153-145-static.112-81-b.business.telecomitalia.it) has quit (Client Quit) | |
| [20:51:23] | academy: | It makes my osd look nicer ;) |
| [20:51:32] | justinh: | xvmc doesn't make anything look nicer |
| [20:51:45] | kormoc: | justinh, he likely has a greyscale OSD with xvmc |
| [20:51:50] | academy: | I find that the opengl osd is nicer than softblend – you get less corruption when changing channel. |
| [20:51:57] | academy: | no, a colour one |
| [20:52:08] | kormoc: | there shouldn't be any difference at all then |
| [20:52:21] | tomtom099: | sphery: what would you realy recommend me to do? |
| [20:52:21] | sphery: | academy: OpenGL OSD is available without XvMC |
| [20:52:23] | justinh: | you get less corruption? What the heck kind of BS are people smoking nowadays? |
| [20:52:26] | sphery: | though not really supported |
| [20:52:48] | sphery: | tomtom099: no idea... I have never used Via graphics--and especially not with TV out. |
| [20:53:23] | academy: | justinh: sorry, that was the wrong word. It's almost like antialiasing turns off on channel change with softblend and the osd goes blocky. That's the only reason I use xvmc – it's really minor and xvmc works fine for me. |
| [20:53:35] | sphery: | tomtom099: but your options are to a) underscan the entire display (through X or drivers) or b) underscan Myth (through the screen size app) or c) live with overscan :) |
| [20:53:54] | academy: | sphery: oh, i don't remember it coming up as an option |
| [20:54:15] | tomtom099: | b) is the normal setup for the frontend, right? |
| [20:54:33] | sphery: | probably in there |
| [20:54:38] | sphery: | don't remember, though |
| [20:54:52] | sphery: | it would make sense to have it at Utilitites/Setup|Screen Size |
| [20:54:56] | sphery: | or something |
| [20:55:07] | tomtom099: | ok |
| [20:55:11] | tomtom099: | trying this. |
| [20:56:46] | justinh: | opengl osd rendering makes my frontend very crashy :-\ |
| [20:57:09] | academy: | been pretty reliable for me |
| [20:58:37] | academy: | Hmm, just noticed that PiP disapeared from the menu in 19601 with xvmc |
| [20:58:55] | javatexan (javatexan!n=aars@rrcs-24-153-239-89.sw.biz.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [20:59:12] | justinh: | PiP is for people who use live tv |
| [20:59:30] | justinh: | and livetv belongs in the 20th century when it was invented ;) |
| [20:59:51] | GreyFoxx: | You can now pip while watching a video :) |
| [20:59:54] | academy: | justinh: you obviously don't watch news or sports |
| [20:59:58] | GreyFoxx: | with the recent -vid merge :) |
| [21:00:16] | justinh: | I obviously don't watch live tv news, no |
| [21:00:19] | GreyFoxx: | I've accidentially triggered it a few times while watching something under mythvideo :) |
| [21:00:21] | leprechau (leprechau!n=leprecha@c-71-228-215-60.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | |
| [21:00:26] | justinh: | GreyFoxx: ugh |
| [21:00:29] | sphery: | PiP is something you use to show people how cool your system is, and for /nothing/ else (if you're not watching/listening to the show, then why put it in a corner of the screen) |
| [21:00:38] | Caliban (Caliban!n=ianmacd@jiskefet.caliban.org) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | |
| [21:01:06] | sphery: | academy: news and sports should be recorded like anything else, not viewed in LiveTV |
| [21:01:07] | jamesd: | sphery, to watch the stockmarket fall as israel destroy gaza... |
| [21:01:10] | Caliban (Caliban!n=ianmacd@jiskefet.caliban.org) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [21:01:39] | justinh: | from the time I check the news when I get up to the time I get home, FA ever changes, Same old same old |
| [21:01:48] | Josh_Borke: | sphery: to watch for when the commercial ends on my current show |
| [21:02:02] | academy: | sphere: rubbish. sports should be watched live with friends. And what's the point in watching what happened in the world yesterday? |
| [21:02:10] | sphery: | Josh_Borke: why wait for the commercials to end... skip them |
| [21:02:13] | justinh: | sports should be watched in stadia |
| [21:02:16] | justinh: | end of story |
| [21:02:21] | academy: | true |
| [21:02:32] | sphery: | academy: sports should be watched from a recording--you can watch the recording as it airs if you like |
| [21:02:42] | justinh: | anyway, enough conjecture |
| [21:03:01] | sphery: | academy: but by setting a recording rule to record it, you don't have to do it on the network's schedule--you can start watching 15 minutes late because Bob got caught in traffic |
| [21:03:30] | jamesd: | Josh_Borke, the other reason for pip is if you are canadian and need to watch too hockey games at once... |
| [21:03:33] | sphery: | academy: and if you set the recording rule to record it to the LiveTV recording group, it gets cleaned up like LiveTV |
| [21:11:39] | EvilGuru_ (EvilGuru_!n=freddie@dyn1221-225.wlan.ic.ac.uk) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [21:15:21] | benc_ (benc_!n=benc@markcaswell.dsl.visi.com) has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) | |
| [21:16:17] | academy: | Hmm, Is it possible to output from mythtv to rf co-axial? |
| [21:16:43] | grantm (grantm!n=grant@68.142.138.4) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [21:17:20] | kormoc: | find a video card that does it and that is supported by linux and supports XV, sure |
| [21:17:45] | laga: | you can probably use a composite->rf converter |
| [21:20:27] | academy: | laga: nice. In the UK we use rf quite widely — every tv in my house has an rf cable to it. |
| [21:21:05] | laga: | yes, but picture quality is not that great |
| [21:21:47] | academy: | laga: It isn't, but it's good enough |
| [21:24:14] | academy: | might have a look at dvb-t output – wonder if that's possible |
| [21:24:35] | laga: | most likely not |
| [21:24:37] | academy: | yup, you can :) |
| [21:24:41] | laga: | not without expensive gear |
| [21:26:46] | AndyCap: | Heh, even as PCI http://www.dektec.com/Products/DTA-110T/index.asp but yeah. 1k€ is a bit of cash |
| [21:26:57] | Hoxzer_ (Hoxzer_!n=dsadsad@f124b.paawola.tontut.fi) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [21:27:02] | academy: | http://bellard.org/dvbt/ |
| [21:27:23] | Hoxzer_ (Hoxzer_!n=dsadsad@f124b.paawola.tontut.fi) has quit (Client Quit) | |
| [21:27:29] | AndyCap: | And I guess mythui -> ts rendering isn't on the roadmad. :) |
| [21:29:01] | EvilGuru (EvilGuru!n=freddie@dyn1221-225.wlan.ic.ac.uk) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | |
| [21:30:57] | Hoxzer (Hoxzer!n=dsadsad@f124b.paawola.tontut.fi) has quit ("Lost terminal") | |
| [21:32:01] | simcop2387 (simcop2387!n=simcop23@p3m/member/simcop2387) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [21:33:52] | Hoxzer (Hoxzer!n=dsadsad@f124b.paawola.tontut.fi) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [21:34:12] | ** kormoc sighs ** | |
| [21:34:18] | kormoc: | no nvidia mac mini/imacs |
| [21:34:35] | Hoxzer (Hoxzer!n=dsadsad@f124b.paawola.tontut.fi) has quit (Client Quit) | |
| [21:35:32] | Terrortoertchen (Terrortoertchen!n=Terrorto@g229117236.adsl.alicedsl.de) has quit ("When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion.") | |
| [21:36:25] | simcop2387: | whats the best way to destroy all the settings for the backends/frontends in the database BUT preserve all recordings? |
| [21:36:40] | benc_ (benc_!n=benc@markcaswell.dsl.visi.com) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [21:37:05] | sphery: | simcop2387: for what purpose? Just to reset to a clean state? |
| [21:37:17] | sphery: | simcop2387: i.e. as if you're just starting (but keeping recordings)? |
| [21:37:25] | simcop2387: | yea |
| [21:38:18] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Database . . . _of_a_backup (follow instructions at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Database_Backup_and_Restore to get the scripts) |
| [21:38:35] | simcop2387: | i'm trying to add a slave back end and the master isn't behaving right so i figure i'll just start from scratch with the settings, the master's been upgraded from 0.19 to 0.21 fixes over time without being reset/reconfigured/anything |
| [21:38:55] | simcop2387: | thanks |
| [21:39:05] | octavsly (octavsly!n=octavian@195-241-244-119.ip.telfort.nl) has quit ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12") | |
| [21:39:14] | sphery: | If doing Partial restore of a backup (i.e. not the "including plugin data" one, you should really apply the patch at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6013 |
| [21:39:23] | sphery: | or, given a minute, I'll just post an updated one for you... |
| [21:39:33] | mnemonic76 (mnemonic76!n=chatzill@c-67-162-127-19.hsd1.in.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [21:40:37] | simcop2387: | ah neat i can patch it myself :) i just wasn't sure what the best way to do it anymore was, otherwise i was going to dump the database with phpmyadmin and just edit that up and hope i don't screw it up :) |
| [21:41:01] | wagnerrp: | woo! replacement switch came in |
| [21:41:05] | mnemonic76: | I have a front/backend server setup that I can watch live tv and recordings on, I just set up a frontend only box, and can connect to the backend, but all I get is a blue screen when I play a recording or livetv! |
| [21:41:11] | mnemonic76: | Any ideas? |
| [21:41:38] | wagnerrp: | sounds like a graphics driver issue |
| [21:42:11] | mnemonic76: | Ok, I can buy that... any tips on how to figure this one out? |
| [21:42:42] | wagnerrp: | what card? |
| [21:43:36] | mnemonic76: | Hmm... it is an onboard video card... can you tell me the command to read that info? |
| [21:43:44] | wagnerrp: | what board? |
| [21:44:08] | simcop2387: | you can usually get something from lspci |
| [21:45:01] | sphery: | simcop2387: here's the updated version (has another patch that's in the queue, too): http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/mythconverg_restore.pl |
| [21:45:58] | simcop2387: | thanks |
| [21:46:38] | mnemonic76: | Looks like Intel 82810E DC-133 (CGC) |
| [21:47:01] | revilootneg (revilootneg!n=oliver@pool-119-65-198-89.dbd-ipconnect.net) has quit ("leaving") | |
| [21:47:46] | d0netsFN: | hey what should i up the resolution in mythweb to? |
| [21:48:07] | sphery: | resolution in MythWeb? |
| [21:51:17] | Dubstar_04 (Dubstar_04!n=laptop@cpc1-warr4-0-0-cust260.bagu.cable.ntl.com) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [21:52:40] | xris: | d0netsFN: flash player? |
| [21:54:48] | mnemonic76: | I don't understand the internals of how a MythTV setup works to know how to troubleshoot this... would it help to try playing back low res mpg recordings from the backend to troubleshoot? |
| [21:56:54] | d0netsFN: | yes |
| [21:56:54] | kali67 (kali67!n=kali67@64-166-248-25.ded.pacbell.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [21:56:54] | d0netsFN: | sorry |
| [21:57:16] | d0netsFN: | also |
| [21:57:22] | d0netsFN: | when i click listings in mythweb i get this |
| [21:57:23] | d0netsFN: | Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 33554432 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 35 bytes) in /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/modules/tv/includes/objects/Program.php on line 291 |
| [21:57:44] | sphery: | d0netsFN: increase your PHP memory size in php.ini |
| [21:57:58] | iamlindoro: | *and* in mythweb.conf IIRc |
| [21:58:00] | d0netsFN: | where is that |
| [21:58:11] | iamlindoro: | man locate |
| [21:58:39] | xris: | iamlindoro: only need to do it in mythweb.conf |
| [21:58:53] | xris: | mythweb.conf overrides the php settings. |
| [21:58:57] | sphery: | yeah, didn't know you put it in there... |
| [21:59:02] | sphery: | that's good |
| [21:59:08] | iamlindoro: | xris: I thought that was the case but I generally assume sphery knows better than I :) |
| [21:59:16] | mnemonic76: | Would someone please look at my log files: http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/f2bece54f |
| [21:59:18] | Tomasu is now known as TomasuDlrrp | |
| [21:59:23] | d0netsFN: | ok wtf i cant do anything right today |
| [21:59:30] | sphery: | what I said would have been right a long time ago :) |
| [22:01:02] | xris: | sphery: probably correct. although .htaccess should still have done the override. |
| [22:01:37] | sphery: | huh, I remember a lot of people having to change php.ini a long time ago |
| [22:01:55] | sphery: | maybe a distro reconfigured things (and removed stuff from the mythweb conf or whatever) |
| [22:03:42] | xris: | sphery: a long time ago, there was no setting in the .htaccess. :) |
| [22:03:55] | xris: | or not one enabled by default, anyway |
| [22:03:59] | sphery: | ah, so it was a /really/ long time ago |
| [22:04:35] | iamlindoro: | Hmm, new MythDora for those who are so inclined |
| [22:05:13] | shadash: | yay! |
| [22:05:53] | laga: | sweet |
| [22:06:04] | d0netsFN: | ok sorry i had to fix my ssh |
| [22:06:34] | shadash: | Based on Fedora 10! |
| [22:06:38] | laga: | "Entirely new browser based setup for MythDora customizations" – cool stuff |
| [22:06:38] | shadash: | woohoo! |
| [22:06:59] | d0netsFN: | (03:57:44 PM) sphery: d0netsFN: increase your PHP memory size in php.ini |
| [22:07:10] | d0netsFN: | is that in /apache2? |
| [22:07:16] | sid3windr: | did you read the rest |
| [22:07:21] | sid3windr: | ... |
| [22:07:31] | d0netsFN: | oh |
| [22:07:34] | d0netsFN: | ok mythweb.conf |
| [22:07:44] | sphery: | d0netsFN: yeah, the rest that says I was wrong |
| [22:07:52] | sphery: | mythweb.conf is right |
| [22:07:53] | d0netsFN: | /etc/apache2/sites-available/mythweb.conf |
| [22:07:57] | d0netsFN: | that one? |
| [22:08:03] | xris: | d0netsFN: sounds likely |
| [22:08:14] | d0netsFN: | /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/mythweb.conf.apache |
| [22:08:21] | iamlindoro: | sites-enabled |
| [22:08:24] | d0netsFN: | /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/mythweb.conf |
| [22:08:30] | d0netsFN: | k thanks |
| [22:08:50] | xris: | d0netsFN: the .apache one is the one that comes with mythweb. the .conf is the same file after your distro has made appropriate edits for pathnames, etc. |
| [22:08:55] | xris: | you want to edit the .conf |
| [22:09:56] | poodyp (poodyp!n=poodyp@dialup-4.131.158.212.Dial1.LosAngeles1.Level3.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [22:10:43] | jhulst (jhulst!n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | |
| [22:10:56] | d0netsFN: | ok now what do i edit |
| [22:11:05] | xris: | there's a memory_limit setting |
| [22:11:07] | xris: | or something like that |
| [22:13:29] | Dubstar_04 (Dubstar_04!n=laptop@cpc1-warr4-0-0-cust260.bagu.cable.ntl.com) has quit ("Ex-Chat") | |
| [22:13:51] | d0netsFN: | ok |
| [22:13:52] | d0netsFN: | i found it |
| [22:13:57] | d0netsFN: | it says 32M |
| [22:14:02] | d0netsFN: | what should i change it to |
| [22:14:24] | sphery: | something larger than 32M |
| [22:14:29] | d0netsFN: | haha |
| [22:14:29] | d0netsFN: | k |
| [22:15:05] | sphery: | 64M might work, 128M might work, might require 512M--all depends on your config... I can't say, but trial and error will tell you, though. |
| [22:15:56] | iamlindoro: | /mode #mythtv-users +t welcome to #mythtv-handholding, please purse all DNS entires for Google and submit queries here. |
| [22:16:03] | iamlindoro: | s/purse/purge/ |
| [22:22:04] | wagnerrp: | does linux stall when you add an new esata drive? or is that just windows behavior? |
| [22:23:15] | iamlindoro: | Think it depends on the chipset but know it can be hotplugged just fine |
| [22:24:54] | wagnerrp: | well i just soldered a new power switch onto my esata dock, and noticed that windows will stall for a few seconds when i attach a drive |
| [22:25:05] | wagnerrp: | or several times that if i turn the dock on without a drive |
| [22:27:20] | d0netsFN: | ok after i change that mythweb.conf |
| [22:27:24] | d0netsFN: | do i need to restart it or somethin |
| [22:27:29] | d0netsFN: | or is it automatic |
| [22:27:35] | Penfold (Penfold!n=mikewh@alysande.altrion.org) has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep") | |
| [22:27:43] | wagnerrp: | restart apache, yes |
| [22:27:51] | d0netsFN: | hrmm |
| [22:27:53] | d0netsFN: | i forget how to do that |
| [22:28:00] | iamlindoro: | |
| [22:28:02] | d0netsFN: | k |
| [22:28:06] | iamlindoro: | jesus |
| [22:28:07] | wagnerrp: | init scripts |
| [22:28:14] | iamlindoro: | "RESTART APACHE MYFREAKINGDISTRO" |
| [22:28:18] | d0netsFN: | ? |
| [22:28:21] | wagnerrp: | learn the, live them, love them |
| [22:32:24] | d0netsFN: | ok now back to my originstal question |
| [22:32:25] | RDV_Linux (RDV_Linux!n=doug@CPE001195554bb4-CM00111a59bd9e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) | |
| [22:32:30] | d0netsFN: | what can i set the flash resolution to in mythweb |
| [22:32:41] | kormoc: | who said you could? |
| [22:33:18] | d0netsFN: | oh hrmm |
| [22:33:25] | d0netsFN: | i can only change the bitrates and the 7 resolution |
| [22:33:29] | d0netsFN: | y resolution* |
| [22:34:32] | wagnerrp: | well after putting the dock back together, i seem to have three screws, and no idea where they go |
| [22:34:49] | d0netsFN: | lol i hate that |
| [22:35:05] | wagnerrp: | but there are no more holes to put screws into |
| [22:35:17] | wagnerrp: | i have no idea from what they may have come |
| [22:35:25] | gregL_ (gregL_!n=greg@cpe-67-246-41-80.nycap.res.rr.com) has quit (Remote closed the connection) | |
| [22:38:34] | tomtom099 (tomtom099!n=wl@ppp-62-216-212-86.dynamic.mnet-online.de) has quit (Remote closed the connection) | |
| [22:40:59] | gregL (gregL!n=greg@cpe-67-246-41-80.nycap.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [22:43:22] | RDV_Linux (RDV_Linux!n=doug@CPE001195554bb4-CM00111a59bd9e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [22:45:43] | Penfold (Penfold!n=mikewh@alysande.altrion.org) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [22:49:55] | croppa (croppa!n=stuart@135.27.233.220.exetel.com.au) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [22:52:10] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: what distro/WM? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/364870#364870 says switching from XFCE back to GNOME "fixed" it. |
| [22:52:34] | GreyFoxx: | XFCE same as I've run on that machine for over 2 years |
| [22:52:41] | sphery: | hmmmm... |
| [22:52:44] | GreyFoxx: | but the delay I've seen is relatively recent |
| [22:52:49] | sphery: | yeah |
| [22:52:58] | sphery: | I'm thinking it might be in IsScreenSaverRunning()... |
| [22:53:00] | sphery: | one sec |
| [22:53:03] | sphery: | booting dev box |
| [22:53:54] | Chicago (Chicago!n=Chicago@c-98-223-56-126.hsd1.in.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [22:54:52] | sphery: | OK, shouldn't be that as it just does return m_xscreensaverRunning || m_gscreensaverRunning; |
| [22:55:48] | GreyFoxx: | I'll toss some VERBOSE() statements around that and the lirc code to ensure it's not some delay in reading from lirc as well |
| [22:56:05] | inordkuo (inordkuo!n=inorkuo@97.66.21.169) has quit ("Leaving.") | |
| [22:56:11] | iamlindoro: | There were recent LIRC changes IIRC |
| [22:56:21] | iamlindoro: | support reconnects or whatever |
| [22:56:27] | GreyFoxx: | yeah but I was seeing it before that I'm sure |
| [22:56:35] | iamlindoro: | hmm, nm then :) |
| [22:57:17] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: does running the following (with a valid DISPLAY on a system not running gnome-screensaver) cause a similar "lock up": gnome-screensaver-command --help >&- 2>&- |
| [22:58:09] | GreyFoxx: | I don't even have that command Nor gnome installed :) |
| [22:58:43] | sphery: | OK, then it should be as fast as running any other non-existant program... |
| [22:59:28] | sphery: | I can't see any way it could be related to the changes in the screensaver deactivate, then... |
| [22:59:48] | sphery: | Any chance you can switch to a different WM to test if it fixes it like it did for Bruce T? |
| [23:00:24] | GreyFoxx: | I'll put in some debugging sutff and try that for a day or 2. Then if that don't find anything I'll change to another WM |
| [23:00:39] | Goga777 (Goga777!n=Goga777@shpd-92-101-156-43.vologda.ru) has quit (Remote closed the connection) | |
| [23:01:35] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: cool... don't worry about the WM. I expect others on the -users list will try doing as he did and report back. |
| [23:02:57] | GreyFoxx: | else |
| [23:02:57] | GreyFoxx: | sleep(2); // wait a while before we retry.. |
| [23:03:02] | GreyFoxx: | hehe that looks suspect :) |
| [23:03:12] | sphery: | where at? |
| [23:03:26] | GreyFoxx: | libs/libmythui/lirc.cpp in run() |
| [23:03:53] | GreyFoxx: | Slapping a VERBOSE next to it heh |
| [23:03:56] | sphery: | that being the reconnect code iamlindoro mentioned? |
| [23:04:20] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [23:04:22] | ** sphery thinks iamlindoro has become the new archive ** | |
| [23:04:29] | iamlindoro: | Even a broken clock is right twice a day |
| [23:04:32] | sphery: | I hereby step down |
| [23:04:51] | GreyFoxx: | I'm gonna slather this with VERBOSE and see what happens heh |
| [23:07:35] | jams: | iamlindoro blame libs/libmythui/lirc.cpp |
| [23:08:06] | iamlindoro: | jams, hm? |
| [23:08:11] | iamlindoro: | I think I already did that :) |
| [23:08:23] | sphery: | did the LIRC reconnect go into -fixes, too? |
| [23:08:41] | sphery: | if so, that probably explains all the problems -users list reported |
| [23:08:53] | jams: | iamlindoro- you have not yet matched sphery, sphery would have responsed with line numbers and the person who commited changes to that file |
| [23:09:22] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Don't think so |
| [23:09:33] | sphery: | jams: I don't know, I'm slipping... I first blamed myself/my patch and didn't even remember the LIRC reconnect changes. |
| [23:09:37] | iamlindoro: | jams: Haha, I wouldn't presume to try to replace him |
| [23:10:31] | poodyp_ (poodyp_!n=poodyp@dialup-4.131.158.212.Dial1.LosAngeles1.Level3.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [23:10:44] | jams: | ah well time for a break now that this 4 hour conf call is over. |
| [23:11:05] | sphery: | conference calls... what a wonderful waste of time :) |
| [23:11:21] | sphery: | should do a conference chat in IRC :) |
| [23:11:29] | iamlindoro: | I am in the training from hell |
| [23:11:30] | iamlindoro: | 4 hours stretches without breaks |
| [23:11:30] | iamlindoro: | this is unwise |
| [23:12:29] | Penfold (Penfold!n=mikewh@alysande.altrion.org) has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep") | |
| [23:12:36] | sphery: | iamlindoro: you're right about LIRC reconnect not going into -fixes. |
| [23:13:02] | iamlindoro: | sphery: There's the second right thing for the day, now I'm all out |
| [23:13:08] | Chicago: | Does someone have Hauppauge HVR-1600 working perfectly with Gentoo? |
| [23:13:22] | sphery: | So, you're the new list rememberer. I'll send you the (thing like a staff, but shorter, that some king might hold) |
| [23:13:39] | iamlindoro: | wang? |
| [23:13:51] | sphery: | scepter |
| [23:13:59] | sphery: | but yours could be, too |
| [23:14:03] | iamlindoro: | oh. Yeah. ;) |
| [23:14:36] | sphery: | Yeah, those old computers from Wang weren't tiny, but they're not as long as a staff... |
| [23:15:21] | inordkuo (inordkuo!n=inorkuo@adsl-226-137-93.int.bellsouth.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [23:17:17] | tanderson: | heh |
| [23:17:32] | tanderson: | Anyone know of any updates with the HVR-2250 drivers? |
| [23:18:27] | kslater (kslater!n=kslater@206.193.247.78.nauticom.net) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) | |
| [23:19:26] | iamlindoro: | tanderson: They're on hold |
| [23:19:42] | tanderson: | I see that, but does anyone know why? |
| [23:19:47] | iamlindoro: | ie I would expect it to be a number of months |
| [23:19:57] | iamlindoro: | tanderson: Real Lives intervening? |
| [23:20:04] | tanderson: | iamlindoro: oh, ok |
| [23:20:17] | tanderson: | iamlindoro: as long as it's not the vendor deciding linux support isn't worth it ;-) |
| [23:20:37] | jarle: | I'm trying to get transcoding working, however I get this in the backend log: http://pastebin.ca/1303094 Any obvious pitfalls? I haven't changed any settings in this erea, all profiles are as default settings... |
| [23:21:05] | RungeKutta (RungeKutta!n=rungekut@dsl093-016-075.msp1.dsl.speakeasy.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [23:21:18] | iamlindoro: | jarle: "2009-01–08 00:16:51.400 Please ensure that recording profiles for the transcoder are set" |
| [23:21:42] | iamlindoro: | You need to edit the existing transcoding profiles and set them properly (and not set up your own newly-named ones) |
| [23:22:28] | jarle: | iamlindoro: The existing profiles seemed just fine to me... that's why I have not changed any settings.. |
| [23:23:30] | jgarvey (jgarvey!n=jgarvey@cpe-098-026-069-229.nc.res.rr.com) has quit ("Leaving") | |
| [23:23:34] | RungeKutta (RungeKutta!n=rungekut@dsl093-016-075.msp1.dsl.speakeasy.net) has quit (Client Quit) | |
| [23:24:00] | iamlindoro: | jarle: seems you haven't set up the output video codec properly |
| [23:24:13] | jarle: | iamlindoro: I seem to have to profile groups: "Hardware DVB encoders" and "codecs" (or something, translated from Norwegian) |
| [23:24:44] | Lord_Deathscythe (Lord_Deathscythe!n=chris@c-76-18-178-167.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [23:25:05] | iamlindoro: | Should be under Transcoder Profiles |
| [23:25:14] | iamlindoro: | Then, IIRC, Autodetect from MPEG-2 |
| [23:26:59] | jarle: | iamlindoro: guess I might be missing some packages for RTjpeg? |
| [23:27:52] | iamlindoro: | All necessary codecs are built into myth, it doesn't compile in other packages for video codecs |
| [23:29:39] | jarle: | iamlindoro: my recordings are in Autodetect from MPEG-2 and I have a "Autodetect from MPEG-2" set to use the rtjpeg codec and mp3... |
| [23:29:43] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: Any progress on the Storage Groups for MythVideo thing, btw? |
| [23:30:13] | jarle: | iamlindoro: you know what is the actual transcode command it wil try running? |
| [23:30:54] | iamlindoro: | jarle: No, mythtranscode pulls information from the backend when spawned by the backend, so all necessary information is not on the command line |
| [23:30:55] | jarle: | iamlindoro: above shoudl be: my recordings are in MPEG-2 and I have a "Autodetect from MPEG-2" set to use the rtjpeg codec and mp3... |
| [23:31:33] | iamlindoro: | and will always be variable based on *your* setup, anyway |
| [23:32:21] | jarle: | iamlindoro: guess I am a bit out of sync with how all the profile thing is actually working.. |
| [23:33:05] | jarle: | iamlindoro: nuvexport workis just fine for me, it is just the internal transcoding that seems to be getting at me.. |
| [23:35:16] | Dave123-road (Dave123-road!i=nobody@cpe-72-230-182-200.rochester.res.rr.com) has quit (Remote closed the connection) | |
| [23:37:18] | kslater (kslater!n=kslater@206.193.247.78.nauticom.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [23:39:00] | DuppyK (DuppyK!n=DuppyK@host-84-9-52-63.dslgb.com) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [23:39:00] | jk1joel (jk1joel!n=jsmith@ns.jk1.net) has quit (Remote closed the connection) | |
| [23:39:12] | jarle: | iamlindoro: setting the codec (in Autodetect from MPEG-2) to MPEG4 instead ofg RTJpeg seems to work, so guess my problem is realted to RTJpeg codec not working for some reason.. |
| [23:42:07] | kjetil_ is now known as KjetilK | |
| [23:43:39] | yalu: | I have some strange problem with my mythtv box... I'm in the CET time zone (it's 0:42 now here) and my listings show all programs half an hour too early. local time zone on the machine seems to be correct. |
| [23:44:34] | sphery: | yalu: you didn't specify anything in "Your Local Timezone (for XMLTV)", did you? (You shouldn't--it should be None.) |
| [23:47:28] | yalu: | is that in mythtv-setup? the xml itself contains correct dates and times, I checked |
| [23:49:09] | sphery: | yalu: yes, in mythtv-setup |
| [23:49:18] | yalu: | (I don't really use xmltv btw, I use mc2xml.) |
| [23:49:35] | sphery: | still affects things |
| [23:50:34] | yalu: | hmmm, mythtv-setup runs slow over ssh. :-) |
| [23:50:48] | sphery: | use: mythtv-setup -O ThemePainter=qt |
| [23:51:30] | sphery: | or: mythtv-setup -O ThemePainter=qt -O Theme=Iulius -geometry 800x600 |
| [23:51:45] | mnemonic76: | I have audio for live tv/recordings on my frontend, but only a blue screen... how can I troubleshoot this? |
| [23:52:05] | yalu: | default is opengl or something? |
| [23:52:31] | sphery: | default is whatever you configure in mythfrontend settings |
| [23:53:25] | sphery: | the default default (i.e. if you don't set anything should be Qt, but distros may change things...) |
| [23:54:19] | mnemonic76: | !help |
| [23:54:24] | mnemonic76: | !help list |
| [23:54:38] | mnemonic76: | !list |
| [23:55:01] | Dibblah: | mnemonic76: Why do that in channel? |
| [23:55:10] | Dibblah: | You can talk to the damn thing directly. |
| [23:55:29] | mnemonic76: | Sorry, hope I din't inconveniency anyone too much. |
| [23:55:29] | yalu: | sphery: it seems that was indeed the problem! thank you, I will dedicate my next recording to you |
| [23:55:51] | sphery: | wonder why Bierdo didn't set it up to PM a person asking it for help... |
| [23:56:11] | sphery: | yalu: enjoy |
| [23:56:28] | mnemonic76: | Yeah, sorry. They usually respond in PM. |
| [23:56:51] | mnemonic76: | Dibblah: Do you have any insight into my problem with the blue screen? |
| [23:58:03] | mnemonic76: | Funny thing is I can see the little preview videos for the recordings, but they don't play fullscreen. |
| [23:59:30] | sphery: | the preview videos aren't videos, IIRC--just a bunch of images |
| [23:59:48] | yalu: | sphery: anything else I have to do? I set it to none, but the listings are still the same. |
| [23:59:53] | sphery: | but either way, it means your playback profile is messed up |
IRC Logs collected by
BeirdoBot.
Please use the above link to report any bugs.
