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Tuesday, January 6th, 2009, 00:04 UTC

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psofa:

since i cant find any help elsewhere, does anyone have some link that mentions the various parameters that tvtime xine plugin takes?I had a link once.....

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quantum_:

I have run into a problem, when I launch mythfrontend I get the following message and no buttons on the first page: QGLContext::makeCurrent(): Cannot make invalid context current.

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quantum_:

I saw a suppid fix for this with mythfrontend -O UseOpenGLPainter=0, but that has not fixed the problem

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quantum_:

I am guessing this is an issue since I switched from QT to OpenGL which obviously doesn't work, but since I can't get back to that screen I can't change it back

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quantum_:

anybody have any idea how to fix this?

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quantum_:

is there a list of options somewhere I really need one that will change it back to QT I think

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poodyp_:

use mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt

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iamlindoro_:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/theme-PBB-final.png

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iamlindoro_:

Few modifications for legibility, and rendered in the actual UI

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quantum_:

cool thanks much

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directhex:

that looks nicey bikkit

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poodyp_:

last ditch try would be mythfrontend --reset

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iamlindoro_:

directhex, bikkit?

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quantum_:

what does that do

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quantum_:

--reset

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directhex:

bikkit! wanna bikkit!

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directhex:

quantum_, deletes all files on your disk except kernel & mythfrontend

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quantum_:

hmm not quite what I want

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** iamlindoro_ continues to struggle to understand bikkit **

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quantum_:

anyway the QT command fixed it, now to figure out why HD card seems to skip even on low bitrate channels

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quantum_:

is there any way to tell if the skipping is during playback or is recorded that way. I suspect it is recorded that way

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iamlindoro_:

recording errors in digital capture are generally accompannied by major picture corruption

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iamlindoro_:

if the picture is sound, just jumpy, it's unlikely it's recording errors

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quantum_:

I don't get any picture corruption at all. picture looks great just a fraction of a second loss every 10 to 60 seconds

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iamlindoro_:

Then it's probably fine

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quantum_:

I have a dual core 1.8 GHz intel I think

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quantum_:

HD is seriously kick ass. I was running analog recording off an antenna for a long time

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: Any chance I can peek at the xml for that PBB screen? promise I wont steal your ideas ;)

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iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx, sure, of course

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iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx, If you want I'll tar the whole thing up for you

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GreyFoxx:

Sure :)

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iamlindoro_:

Mind the many commented passages

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iamlindoro_:

commented out, that is

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GreyFoxx:

hehe no worries

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GreyFoxx:

I assume I'll need the latest pbb patch as well

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iamlindoro_:

Also have *no* idea how it will look on proper 16:9 versus my 1366x768 screen

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iamlindoro_:

yeah

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iamlindoro_:

lemme clean up the dir, two minutes

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GreyFoxx:

1366x768 here

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quantum_:

when I record non-HD channels I get the lines at the top which is the closed caption stuff I believe, and since it plays it as a small portion of the screen it is very visible, is there any way to fix this. I can manually zoom in and scroll it of the screen but that is a pain in the butt to do each time

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iamlindoro_:

including the .svgs from inkscape too

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iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx, There's a lot of useless stuff in there right now, and some stolen images from blootube so that it wouldn't crash outright, but it should be more or less functional

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iamlindoro_:

gbee, An included font for a theme can sit in the theme's dir, right? doesn't need to be installed in /usr/share/fonts etc?

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gbee:

iamlindoro_: I can't remember

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iamlindoro_:

OK :) Well Greyfoxx can not install it and find out

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iamlindoro_:

then we'll all know :)

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gbee:

talking myself into this new theme idea, http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/newtheme5.png

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iamlindoro_:

Heh, that looks really good

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iamlindoro_:

I like that khaki-ish color scheme too

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iamlindoro_:

gbee, Not to bug you, but in terms tof the animation you think you'll have done for .22, do you think scrolling buttonlists are in the cards? It's really the only stuff I can see myself wanting ATM

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gbee:

scrolling in what way?

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iamlindoro_:

gbee, well, take the grouplist in my PBB... would like for it to slide smoothly to the next (slide the items upwards

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iamlindoro_:

and downwards)

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gbee:

ahh, I'll have to produce the 'no idea' card again

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iamlindoro_:

heh, fair enough

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gbee:

ideally yes, but I'm not really sure how simple it will be, what challenges are involved

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iamlindoro_:

occurred to me because I was thinking how nice your MythVideo screen would be if it slid along

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gbee:

yeah

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wylie:

i agree. ;b

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gbee:

there is also another aspect there though, the centre image is larger, so would it slide then 'pop' into place, to look really good an additional zooming animation be needed

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iamlindoro_:

yep

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gbee:

and where the selected button is arranged differently, well lets just say animating could become complicated for a themer

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iamlindoro_:

Would need to be scripted in order in an animation tag

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erb:

anyone have much experience with an ati all in wonder remote and ubuntu

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gbee:

aye

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erb:

driving me to drink

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iamlindoro_:

gbee, maybe something like http://rafb.net/p/nQ5hXS11.html

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justinp_home:

Anybody available to help out with a ir blaster problem?

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justinp_home:

I've been through the eggshellskull.com tutorial back to front, but still get nothing more than irsend: Connection refused

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iamlindoro_:

or even scratch the zoom/shrink bit and make it a movetonext type eg "<movetonext type="slideresize" /> where the slide and resize are animated at the same time

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iamlindoro_:

so have the code figure out "I am at 0,0,140,210 and need to be at 100,0,160,250" and animate the transition. Sounds like something GL would be much better at, though

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abqjp:

iamlindoro_: I *really* like your latest PBB! Lots of promise there.

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iamlindoro_:

abqjp, Thanks :)

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iamlindoro_:

One or two more things to fix up then I'm leaving it alone for a while

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abqjp:

iamlindoro_ I wonder how it would look to move the preview below the callsign, and make the description a new "column" next to the the callsign/preview, but below the title/subtitle? Only reason to do that, would be to *possibly* free up space for more than 4 episodes at the bottom. I really like it the way it is, just thinking about possibilities.

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iamlindoro_:

I'm trying to keep it consistent with the other screens that follow this convention, ie http://www.fecitfacta.com/theme-MythMusic.png and http://www.fecitfacta.com/theme-MV-browser.png

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iamlindoro_:

and while I know it's important to you, my primary aim isn't really to cram in as much info as I can

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abqjp:

But, but, but....

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abqjp:

I was curious how you chose the size of the left column. Seeing those last two screens it is obvious. How long of a "Title" can the left column handle? Probably not "CSI: Crime Scene Investigation", but that's okay.

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iamlindoro_:

"Battlestar galactica" is probably just about the outside edge

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iamlindoro_:

But no more constrained than the "new" PBB tabs

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iamlindoro_:

This theme is very very very not overscan safe :)

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abqjp:

What is the preview area going to be used for on the music/video screens?

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abqjp:

Before myth could scale UI screens for the user, overscan safe was important. Not so much anymore.

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iamlindoro_:

abqjp, In Music, for visualizations, in mythvideo, when the video widget is done it will play the trailer, or fall back to the film itself

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iamlindoro_:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/theme-PBB-round3.png

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iamlindoro_:

That should be "final"

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iamlindoro_:

(ish)

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kisak:

hello

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kisak:

anybody a gentoo / pvr150 / kernel 2.6.27 user or close enough to help?

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kisak:

specifically, my question is if I need ivtv-utils with 2.6.27 for mythtv to use the pvr150 properly

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Anduin:

mythtv doesn't directly use anything normally packaged in something named ivtv-utils

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jamesd:

kisak, there was but they all emerged world 15 minutes ago... so your too late ;-)

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kisak:

jamesd: what?

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jamesd:

they upgrade they are no longer using those versions... your too late, you have to be on the bleeding edge to run gentoo

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kisak:

what versions?

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Sedorox:

hrm

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Sedorox:

I believe .27 and .28 have the latest ivtv drivers

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Sedorox:

so no need to emerge ivtv

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kisak:

ivtv 1.2.0 was for 2.6.25 only, then it appears a new package called ivtv-utils is replacing it (I haven't confirmed that) with a 1.3.0 version, and no matter how I beat my head against it, linux-headers for 2.6.27 and ivtv-utils don't play with each other

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kisak:

there's a file collision

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kisak:

thus I came here looking for a second opinion, which it appears I have received

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iamlindoro_:

ivtv is included in the kernel

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iamlindoro_:

ivtv-utils is tools for manipulating ivtv cards, not a driver

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kisak:

and mythtv uses nothing from ivtv-utils to say, change channels?

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iamlindoro_:

correct

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iamlindoro_:

(as anduin told you 30 or so mintues ago)

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iamlindoro_:

well.. maybe 15 :)

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kisak:

I'm just trying to cover my bases

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iamlindoro_:

mythtv uses APIs to manipulate hardware, not command line utilities

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kisak:

ah

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kisak:

that is good

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dan2:

what do I do when my tuner isn't picking up the channels it should be

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dan2:

says no signal

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dan2:

but I yanked it right from my tv, which was working fine (atsc, us)

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iamlindoro_:

jpabq, Was thinking that one of us needs to hack in the bit where the HD-PVR sets the VID_AVCHD flag to true

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d0netsFN:

ok so i have mythbuntu installed

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d0netsFN:

and i installed ubuntu desktop

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d0netsFN:

but it doesnt look like ubuntu

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d0netsFN:

so whoever said its the same, could you clarify? am i supposed to do anything else

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d0netsFN:

also im pretty sure i set everything the same as i did in ubuntu + mythtv, but when i hit watch tv it just goes back to the menu

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squish102:

is there a way to realign my recordings in mythtv with disk?

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squish102:

the files dont exist anymore on disk

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iamlindoro_:

d0netsFN, sudo update-alternatives --config x-window-manager

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iamlindoro_:

Choose metacity as your WM

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iamlindoro_:

restart X

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iamlindoro_:

squish102, myth.find_orphans.pl

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squish102:

thanks iamlindoro_

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iamlindoro_:

squish102, run it alone at first to see what it plans to do, then add --dodelete to delete errant files, --dodbdelete to delete errant DB entries

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iamlindoro_:

d0netsFN, As for the rest, it's all likely to be in your backend log, but suffice to say you did *not* set everything up properly in mythtv-setup

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d0netsFN:

ok after sudo update-alternatives --configure x-window-manager

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d0netsFN:

i picked 3

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d0netsFN:

do i need to restart or what

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iamlindoro_:

Well what did I tell you to do?

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iamlindoro_:

good lord, adderol please

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d0netsFN:

oh i didt see it

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d0netsFN:

sorry

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d0netsFN:

still looks the same

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d0netsFN:

all i see is the applications menu

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d0netsFN:

i want it just like ubuntu

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iamlindoro_:

restart your system, sounds like you botched something

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iamlindoro_:

otherwise follow up in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-mythtv

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iamlindoro_:

as it's not on-topic here

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scatterp:

does myth tv work on a mac ?

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iamlindoro_:

The frontend does, and in a very limited capacity the backend does

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scatterp:

oh intresting

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scatterp:

and can it stream movies from usenet ?

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iamlindoro_:

uh... no

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iamlindoro_:

where would you get that idea?

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iamlindoro_:

Myth is a DVR, not a copyright-circumvention device

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iamlindoro_:

And, by the way, it never will, nor will it ever use/support/etc torrents

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scatterp:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=oax-gDYHVxU

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scatterp:

right here

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iamlindoro_:

that has nothing to do with this project, and we like it that way

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scatterp:

note not all movies on usenet are copyrighted

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scatterp:

oh hmm i guess i missunderstood the video

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iamlindoro_:

note we don't give two craps, and don't allow discussion of usenet, torrents, etc.

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GreyFoxx:

scatterp: That is someone showing non supported 3rd party patches

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scatterp:

oh that makes a little more sense

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scatterp:

i was confused :S

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scatterp:

so does this run on windows ?

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iamlindoro_:

depends on what you mean by "run" and who is running it

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GreyFoxx:

You can compile it to do so, but not's not an official release

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GreyFoxx:

and I would expect it to be incomplete or unstable

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iamlindoro_:

if run = "function at all adequately," then no

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scatterp:

oh ill stick with the boot cd then

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scatterp:

what hardware should i get to fully support the system

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scatterp:

any recomended specs

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scatterp:

i dont want to buy more than i need

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iamlindoro_:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Hardware

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scatterp:

thanks

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kisak:

scatterp: sdtv or hdtv?

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kisak:

iamlindoro_: that works too

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scatterp:

hmm both.. i suppose

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iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx, you get the .tar?

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iamlindoro_:

if so, have questions for you

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GreyFoxx:

yeah, haven't looked at it yet though

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iamlindoro_:

ok, let me know if the fonts work properly just sitting in the dir

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GreyFoxx:

will do

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iamlindoro_:

thx

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iamlindoro_:

Heh, I'm seeing that frontend memory leak too

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iamlindoro_:

Can just go in and out of the PBB and lose a bit more each time

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squish102:

iamlindoro_ i ran myth.find_orphans.pl with both --dodelete and --dodbdelet. they report the correct info, but in FE they still all there. i even tried doing it with backend down, not that that should make a difference?

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iamlindoro_:

sounds like inadequate permissions or missing/misconfigured config.xml

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iamlindoro_:

but eating dinner now, can't troubleshoot this

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squish102:

ok thanks, i'll check, enjoy dinner

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scatterp:

is there a channel for the ubuntu version ?

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iamlindoro_:

#ubuntu-mythtv

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hadees:

is there a script or something for deleting all recordings? can i just truncate the table or will that cause problems?

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iamlindoro_:

hadees, I supposer you could do a truncate table recordedprogram;

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iamlindoro_:

should be okay to do so, but would be easier/wiser to figure out why myth.find_orphans.pl isn't working

[03:22:10]

iamlindoro_:

what output is it giving? Pastebin the output of running it alone with no options

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Anduin:

recorded

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hadees:

iamlindoro_, its only one line, ERROR: no directory found or specified when i do give it the dir it gives http://pastie.org/353480, but the two files are ones i just recorded and when i log into mythtv i see more recordings, did things change recently and maybe the script isn't working because i'm using trunk atm because of the HDPVRS

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hadees:

i had to switch the hd i use for recordings hence why i have none now

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iamlindoro_:

hadees, sure you're not just looking at a filter that includes livetv?

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hadees:

iamlindoro, i don't even see that in the options

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iamlindoro_:

hadees, watch recordings, M, change filter

[03:29:21]

iamlindoro_:

"Default"

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hadees:

oh i thought you mean thte script, i don't think so but let me check

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iamlindoro_:

find orphans works fine in trunk AFAIK

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iamlindoro_:

did you edit the script and give it valid DB info?

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hadees:

yeah

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squish102:

david@mythnew:~$ mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg

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squish102:

Enter password:

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squish102:

Reading table information for completion of table and column names

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squish102:

You can turn off this feature to get a quicker startup with -A

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squish102:

Welcome to the MySQL monitor. Commands end with ; or \g.

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squish102:

Your MySQL connection id is 137

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squish102:

Server version: 5.0.67–0ubuntu6 (Ubuntu)

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iamlindoro_:

yay

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squish102:

opps sorry

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squish102:

http://www.pastebin.ca/1300664

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iamlindoro_:

hadees, Are you running the script *on* the actual backend, or from a frontend?

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hadees:

on the backend

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squish102:

find_orphans seems to display right thing, but i still have 48 recordedprogram entries

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iamlindoro_:

sounds like you set DB info wrong then, it works find here

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iamlindoro_:

er fine

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iamlindoro_:

squish102, select count(*) from recorded;

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squish102:

in pastebin... 44 rows

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hadees:

i think i figured it out, for some reason on my master backend it uses its own name instead of localhost although i thought i saw localhost in the db

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squish102:

mmmmmm, maybe i have the same problem. let me force the ip address in perl script

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hadees:

well i did find one problem with find_orphans, it doesn't seem to escape the text so descriptions with SQL reserved chars in it cause problems

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iamlindoro_:

There are many problems with find orphans :)

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iamlindoro_:

of which that is not the least :)

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iamlindoro_:

It also helpfully deletes the DB backups that myth itself makes, whoops!

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squish102:

ahhh, i have hostname issues i think, i moved these recordings from a different machine. hope i changed the hostname :(

[03:54:10]

** squish102 thinks tomorrow is another day **

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iamlindoro_:

Anduin, ping?

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d0netsFN:

ok

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d0netsFN:

iamlindoro

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d0netsFN:

i have some progress but not completely

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d0netsFN:

i click watchtv

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d0netsFN:

its black

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d0netsFN:

but i have sound

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d0netsFN:

any ideas?

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iamlindoro_:

check your logs

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Anduin:

iamlindoro_: ?

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iamlindoro_:

Anduin, I may have pinged the wrong person-- Are you working on a using the preview generator w/ MythVideo?

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Anduin:

iamlindoro_: No, gbee has an old patch he needs to clean up that may or may not make it in

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iamlindoro_:

okay. Was thinking since it'd have the file open, it would be nice to store the resolution and audio codecs at that time for use in theming

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d0netsFN:

http://pastebin.com/m1d4b9550

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iamlindoro_:

something videoprops/audioprops like with enums/flags

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iamlindoro_:

d0netsFN, What video driver do you have installed, and for what GPU?

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Anduin:

iamlindoro_: Yeah, if it makes it in that could easily be done.

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iamlindoro_:

Anduin, Yeah, would be nice-- seems it would be simple to use it to fill out all three pieces of information even if one or more was already logged

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iamlindoro_:

Anduin, OK, couldn't recalls whether it had been you or gbee, sorry about that.

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iamlindoro_:

er recall

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d0netsFN:

one sec

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d0netsFN:

nvidiea accelerated graphics driver (version 177 [recommended]

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d0netsFN:

and im using a 6600gt

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hadees:

anyone know whats wrong with this udev rule? DRIVER=="ivtv", KERNEL=="video[0–9]*", NAME="v4l/ivtv%n", SYMLINK+="ivtv%n", GROUP="video" it should be grabing all my ivtv cards but it doesn't do anything

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d0netsFN:

any ideas iamlindoro_?

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hadees:

so anyone have any idea why my udev rule won't work for ivtv? DRIVER=="ivtv", KERNEL=="video[0–9]*", NAME="v4l/ivtv%n", SYMLINK+="ivtv%n", GROUP="video"

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Lexridge:

Ohio State just lost their third straignt BCS game. wow! I'd hate to be Tressel.

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James1324:

hello people

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James1324:

I've recently got an HD PVR from Hauppauge.. does mythtv support this device?

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James1324:

because its a pretty new device

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wagnerrp:

0.21-fixes? no. trunk? yes.

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wagnerrp:

trunk has had some level of support for about 6 months now

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abqjp:

James1324: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_HD-PVR

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abqjp:

iamlindoro_: I remember you talking about using vdpau for vsync. My system does not seem to be using it. Is there some trick to enabling it?

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erb:

getting my old school version 1 all in wonder remote to work sucked

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erb:

mode2 shows output from the remote but irw crashes lircd every time

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erb:

lsmod shows the proper modules

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erb:

i've already wasted a lot more than $15 of my time though so i orderd what i hope will just be plug and play http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16880121003

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MavT:

speaking of trunk, hows the stability of trunk at the moment ?

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MavT:

I went back to 21-fixes when qt4 was coming in, after running trunk for about 12 months, would like to dip back into trunk again sometime

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mjb1:

I'm not running it, but I was on the #hdpvr channel on freenode, and one of the developers there said that backend was pretty stable, but that frontend was quite unstable at the moment......

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mjb1:

Anyone else having frequent lockups when running w/ XvMC support enabled? I love what XvMC does for my CPU, but, it's unusable right now, with lockups every 5–10 minutes. Nasty lockups too, force me to reboot.....

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mjb1:

Anyone? XvMC? mythfrontend lockups?

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Lexridge:

mjbl: are you sure it's mythfrontend that is locking and not X?

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kafkaCA:

i haven't had anything wrong w/ trunk mythfrontend

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kafkaCA:

i'm having issues w/ backend and recording on a pvr500

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Lexridge:

Is anyone here using kde4? I've heard great things about it, and horror stories too. Is anyone actually using it...or better yet, IS it usable?

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kafkaCA:

using 4.2beta

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Lexridge:

kafkaCA: any horror stories to tell, or does it work pretty well?

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kafkaCA:

4.1 was

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kafkaCA:

4.2b is a daily use desktop for me & my mythbox

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kafkaCA:

it's a bit quirky

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Lexridge:

so perhaps I should wait for kde4.1 final before installing Fedora 10.

[06:08:30]

Lexridge:

er....4.2 final that is

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kafkaCA:

it's perfectly usable for me for myth, since i don't use the UI for anything really

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Lexridge:

kafkaCA: I use a dual monitor setup, run myth on one, and compute on the other.

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kafkaCA:

lexridge... i haven't done dual monitor with it

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Lexridge:

kafkaCA: I've been looking for an excuse to not upgrade to F10 just yet, and this could be a good one. ;) But damn, I'm still running FC6 on my main machine/frontend.

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kafkaCA:

grr.. accidentally closed pidgin

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Lexridge:

kafkaCA: What you missed was: kafkaCA: I've been looking for an excuse to not upgrade to F10 just yet, and this could be a good one. ;) But damn, I'm still running FC6 on my main machine/frontend.

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kafkaCA:

haha

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kafkaCA:

umm... yeah, i suspect a few things have changed

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Lexridge:

well, it's not that I'm not updated.....I just have to do it the hard way. ;)

[06:16:09]

Lexridge:

by compiling all my new rpm replacements :(

[06:16:28]

Lexridge:

it's kinda fun, actually.

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kafkaCA:

i run the same kinda deal w/ ubuntu (was on FC until 3 or 4? I forget now)

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Lexridge:

yea, this system doesn't really even resemble a FC6 system. Just tried out the 2.6.28 kernel, but the RT patches are not yet available, so back to 2.6.26-rt4

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kafkaCA:

ah

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kafkaCA:

on the mythbox (dedicated machine for me) i don't do that much beyond myth as roll your own

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Lexridge:

kafkaCA: so for your other computing needs, you are a windows user?

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kafkaCA:

no

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kafkaCA:

my work laptop is windows.. but i only use it@ work

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kafkaCA:

everything else is kubuntu

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Lexridge:

lol, sorry, but it kinda sounded like that.

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kafkaCA:

personal laptop & workhorse desktop are both 8.10

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Lexridge:

I've played with a kubuntu live cd, and liked it very much, but I hated sudo.

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kafkaCA:

so do sudo passwd root

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kafkaCA:

and then you have a root password :)

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Lexridge:

and that give you a root account?

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kafkaCA:

yup

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Lexridge:

humm, did not know that. kewl!

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kafkaCA:

ok... dog has to go outside... brb

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kafkaCA:

lexridge... that's one of the first things i do when iset up a new ubuntu box

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kafkaCA:

you can also do sudo su

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kafkaCA:

if you don't want to permanently enable the root account

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Lexridge:

okay, perhaps I will try kubuntu again someday soon.

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Lexridge:

it now has Synaptic as well, correct?

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kafkaCA:

dunno... i use aptitude exclusively

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Lexridge:

package mgr?

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kafkaCA:

yup

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Lexridge:

see, I've been using yumex for years. lol

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kafkaCA:

aptitude is part dselect & part apt-get

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Lexridge:

don't know about dselect, but I did use apt-get on a redhat dist at some point.

[06:30:19]

Lexridge:

RH9 maybe.

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kafkaCA:

both are debian tools

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Shadow____X:

hello everybody

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kafkaCA:

hi shadow

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Lexridge:

Ah, just finished a great 1958 classic, "The 7th Voyage of Sinbad". Great claymation!

[06:39:16]

Lexridge:

in panavision too :)

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kafkaCA:

hah

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Lexridge:

actually, I think they called it dynamation. lol

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kafkaCA:

ok bedtime!

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poodyp_:

so I have a frontend that can't log in to the backend despite QT being compiled with mysql support

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poodyp_:

the only thing I can find is to install qt3-mysql but I can't find any such package for gentoo

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wagnerrp:

if you emerge mythtv, everything is taken care of

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wagnerrp:

my guess is your .mythtv/config.xml isnt set up properly

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wagnerrp:

depending on how youre set up, you may need it in /etc/mythtv/.mythtv/config.xml or ~/.mythtv/config.xml

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poodyp_:

well I did emerge mythtv

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poodyp_:

basically I run mythtv-setup, see the backend, try to connect and get "cannot login to database?"

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wagnerrp:

mythtv-setup is not needed on a frontend-only machine

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poodyp_:

rather, mythfrontend

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wagnerrp:

just make sure that file exists in that location (probably the latter) and provides the correct information

[07:40:13]

wagnerrp:

if you used the upnp connection method, you dont even have to create that file manually

[07:40:30]

wagnerrp:

also, make sure your permissions are set up properly in mysql to allow the new machine to connect

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poodyp_:

file exists, and I used this: http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Mythfrontend to set permissions

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wagnerrp:

do you have any other machines? or is your only other mythtv box the one hosting the mysql server?

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poodyp_:

yes this is the only other mythtv box

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wagnerrp:

your mysql server may not be listening on the network at all

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poodyp_:

what can I check for besides bind-address and skip-networking?

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wagnerrp:

i think loopback and file socket access only are standard mysql setup for most linux distros

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wagnerrp:

as for how to change it? no idea

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wagnerrp:

ive never run mysql on a linux system

[07:49:47]

wagnerrp:

basically, those are the only three you need to worry about mysql

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wagnerrp:

network operation, mysql permissions, and local permissions settings

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Shadow____X:

http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/how-do-i-enable . . . -server.html

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wagnerrp:

its almost certainly one of those three

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Shadow____X:

shows you how to enable remote mysql connections

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poodyp_:

thanks I'll take a look

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poodyp_:

well I've tried everything and still can't log in remotely

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poodyp_:

okay now I can log in remotely with root, but with the exact same privileges I can't as mythtv

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Shadow____X:

make sure the password command is being used correctly

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Shadow____X:

that has gotten be before

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Shadow____X:

make sure the password it typed right and setup right

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poodyp_:

oh

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poodyp_:

durf

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poodyp_:

I copied the user and changed the name so of course the password was wrong

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poodyp_:

thanks

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Shadow____X:

yup

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Shadow____X:

happens all the time

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justinh:

Dibblah: never bothered with analogue surround. it's analogue stereo or SPDIF

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justinh:

SPDIF works great now, the problem I had with myth outputting crap over analogue when playing AC3 & DTS streams was that the passthrough device (the default one) was screwed. found what it _should_ have been with aplay -L IIRC

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Akiyuki:

When I look at the lirc raw menu window, i see pulses when nothing is pressed is this commomon?

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gbee:

Akiyuki: infrared bursts/emissions can come from many things, e.g. my cat's collar

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Akiyuki:

:(

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gbee:

might be another bit of kit in the room somewhere

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Akiyuki:

But when I point a remote at it, in "learn" mode and press buttons, nothing is ever detected

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justinh:

it could also be fluorescent lights interfering... or sunlight.. any number of things

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justinh:

are you trying to learn a different remote to the one which comes with the receiver?

[13:10:28]

justinh:

or are you using some lame irda thing? FYI irda generally doesn't work for remote controls since they operate on completely different carrier frequencies

[13:11:08]

justinh:

you generally can't learn a different remote with most USB receivers because they tend to be based on micros which only work with one code set

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justinh:

this is one of those times where if you'd supplied more information to start with, nobody would have to try & guess ;-)

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Akiyuki:

its a custom built circuit

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Akiyuki:

the circuit works fine, i think it is the method in wichi it is attached to the pc that is the issue

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justinh:

how can you know if it works fine if ... nevermind

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justinh:

heh

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justinh:

that's always the problem with DIY lirc gear. How do you know what's good?

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poodyp_:

maybe he hooked it up to an oscilloscope?

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justinh:

like that's any guarantee of anything

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mason:

lo guys ... anyone in who can answer me a short general question about mythtv bevor i dig in ?

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justinh:

nope

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mason:

okay

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justinh:

bye then

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mason:

i just wanna know if its possible to use the mythtvbackend on a debian without any xserver? to use it with another frontend ... or is a xserver mandatory ?

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justinh:

you need X to set mythtv up

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mason:

hmm shit ... since i would like to run it on a headless mediaserver i have

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mason:

to bad

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janneg:

mason: it requires the x libraries, not a full x server on the backend

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mason:

thanks

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mason:

oh okay that sounds better

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poodyp_:

you can get awayy with a remote x

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justinh:

most mortals who come here wanting to set myth up remotely have no luck at all

[13:38:02]

justinh:

they'd all have been better off spending a few minutes ot fit a video card :)

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janneg:

you can set it up using X11 forwarding over ssh for example

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justinh:

janneg: yes, people could do that.. or er.. whether they can or not is the question ;)

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mason:

hmm will see ... since im no linux pro and i would kill myself if i fuck up my machine ;)

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mason:

thats the point hehe

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justinh:

language!

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mason:

sorry

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justinh:

if only more people who made mistakes would kill themselves though.. ;)

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mason:

bad mood today? or generally a grumpy guy ? ;9

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justinh:

this isn't a bad mood. jees

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mason:

im sensible ;)

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mason:

anyway i will give it a try

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justinh:

VNC is probably another route you can take too

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justinh:

or freenx

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justinh:

and it's often quite handy to have a monitor on a myth backend, if only when setting up – just to make sure your tuner hardware all works on THAT BOX

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justinh:

why? cos setting up mythtv without knowing your tuner hardware works is simply silly – if stuff doesn't work how will you know what's wrong? Is it how you configured mythtv or is it the state of the hardware? ;)

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mason:

thats a point

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mason:

i have no experience with mythtv yet

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mason:

but i like the headless debian server ... is like set and forget

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mason:

and all deamons are usually writing logfiles for status

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mason:

i fear the use of x will slow down the whole system there

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troldrik:

loi

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troldrik:

stop using a 8088?

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poodyp_:

lol

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mason:

but if i get you right ... im able to use the backend as deamon (when its completly setup) without x?

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mason:

:P

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justinh:

yeah X uses so many resources. oh man. just bogs everything down so much, hogging up that 0.0001% of CPU time

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justinh:

and a whole 20M of ram. jees.

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mason:

oh come on ... i have no need for ... all the other shit runs perfectly

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mason:

without

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mason:

sorry language again

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mason:

stuff

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justinh:

and by not installing X libs at all, you'd have enough spare HDD space to store 30 seconds of SDTV mpeg2

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mason:

i never done anything with x yet ... im fine on the cli ... and since im new to mythtv ... i guess ill get enough problems anyway ;)

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justinh:

well, it's certainly your problem not mine. so have fun :)

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mason:

i will :)

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mason:

and sorry to ask

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mason:

forward me to #mythtv-noob :P

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poodyp_:

you're going to have enough problems without trying to be tricky just to save 0.005% ram/cpu time/hdd space

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mason:

sorry how should i know what a x server need

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mason:

im new to it

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sshirley:

Morning! Anyone here using the alpha Hauppauge HD-PVR driver?

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justinh:

try in #hd-pvr or whatever :)

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James1324:

can someone please tell me what kind of CPU usage they get with the HD-PVR?

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justinh:

playing back? heavy!

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sshirley:

When I get it working, I'll tell you. ;-)

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justinh:

it's #hdpvr btw :)

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James1324:

well, I found the only way to playback > 10mbit/s on my t2300 laptop was with coreavc codecs

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sshirley:

justinh: but is that dedicated to the mythtv driver for the hd-pvr

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James1324:

everything else lagged too much

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justinh:

mythtv driver? wtf are you talking about?

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James1324:

I think he needs more helps with the setup

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sshirley:

I'm talking about the alpha version of a new driver for the hd-pvr so that mythtv recognizes it as a tuner (or source)

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justinh:

sshirley: there's a linux driver to make it work in linux, and then you need to use the trunk (development) version of mythtv to be able to use it

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justinh:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/HDPVR

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James1324:

sshirley, have you thought about using sagetv?

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sshirley:

Well, first I just want to know just HOW alpha it is. I was using mythtv last year and switched to media center because of the better stabilitiy (I know, I know...I had to swallow a lot of linux pride for that). Now I got a HD-PVR and there is no support for it in MCE. I switched to MediaPortal (an open source mediacenter app for windows) last week because it has support for it (sorta), but it sucks. I'd like to try mythtv again if I can really get

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sshirley:

justinh: I've read all about it in the wiki. I was just hoping to talk to someone to someone who is actually using it.

[14:19:52]

justinh:

switched to MCE for better stability? ouch. I don't recommend you run trunk with that level of experience then

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sshirley:

justinh: Ok, I wonder how alpha that trunk version of mythtv is.

[14:20:33]

justinh:

people use it day to day & find it generally works okay

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justinh:

but you'd be at the bleeding edge, so you have to decide whether hd-pvr functionality is more important than anything else

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justinh:

it's not necessarily any worse than running 0.21-fixes, but could indeed be more stable. It all depends on the state of the code when you check it out :)

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mason:

sshirley check out xbmc

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sshirley:

The software that comes with the hd-pvr can do scheduling and recording, but straight to h264 *.ts files, which I can get media player to play. But there is no channel or episode info the file (which sucks). It's important to me to be able to have integration into my media center. So I guess the bleeding edge is where I need to be. :-)

[14:23:31]

mason:

its way better than mediaportal

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sshirley:

xbmc did look good

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sshirley:

And it has support for the hd-pvr?

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justinh:

xbmc is just a media playing file browser

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mason:

thats the point ... its perfect for media -the tv ;)

[14:24:00]

justinh:

and it doesn't support ANY kind of TV

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shadash:

mythv support of hdpvr is decent

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mason:

but support for mythtv as backend is right in development

[14:24:20]

shadash:

but developers are trying to make it perfect before releasing .22

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mason:

therefor im here lol

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shadash:

.22 was supposed to be released before xmas new years but has slipped

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justinh:

what are you talking about?

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laga:

shadash: can you back up those claims?

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shadash:

hopefully it will come soon

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justinh:

there was no 'supposed'

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shadash:

laga: just wat I was told

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justinh:

there are no release plans

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justinh:

no firm release dates

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shadash:

I understand

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justinh:

it'll be ready when it's ready

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justinh:

stop your BS

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shadash:

that was a little extreme

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justinh:

I understand that not knowing is fine.. great. but making stuff up off the cuff is unacceptable

[14:27:03]

shadash:

I was told that

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shadash:

sheesh

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justinh:

well, whoever told you that was lying

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sshirley:

Really? So XBMC (which runs on Linux) is doing development on being a MythTV-frontend (essentially)?

[14:27:23]

justinh:

no

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justinh:

something XBMC will not have when mythtv 0.22 is out, is hardware accelerated playback in linux :)

[14:28:56]

justinh:

its 'native' support of mythtv is supposed to work out of the box now, only it doesn't. and it's very unstable

[14:29:31]

justinh:

I'd sooner run trunk mythtv. at least that mostly works all the time

[14:29:52]

sphery:

Anyone know which repo Ubuntu has the debug packages for the weekly builds in? Want to say so on http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6077 ?

[14:30:10]

justinh:

can't get xbmc to work on my windows laptop, and on linux.. it won't play anything back smoothly at all :-\

[14:31:36]

sphery:

but I'll bet it looks pretty...

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sshirley:

So the current trunk supports the hd-pvr? Is read somewhere that I could use the release verion of mythtv but would have to patch the hell out of it.

[14:31:50]

sphery:

(that's a joke)

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justinh:

the menu transitions are nice. but it spends a lot of time on a blank screen :)

[14:32:14]

mason:

xbmc runs perfect on my end ... and with the ability to playback mythrecordings it would be perfect

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sphery:

sshirley: AIUI, patch it to make upgrading to 0.22 when it's released a chore (you'll have to undo all the stuff done to the DB before you can upgrade)

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justinh:

sshirley: yes current trunk support the hd-pvr – and if you have a certain kind of nvidia card, it'll work with nvidia's beta driver's GPU video playback acceleration too

[14:33:47]

sphery:

sshirley: so, the /best/ bet is to not use an HD-PVR until 0.22 is released. If that doesn't work, you should use trunk, but that means signing up for and reading all the messages on the -dev and -commits list and /not/ bugging developers with invalid bug reports/questions about how to use new stuff or about why things don't work the way you're used to.

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mason:

gpu acc is a point ... but i rather have the cpu power in the frontend and not in the backend

[14:34:08]

sshirley:

Unfortunately I have a ATI Radeon 2600HD. Great card. I just have to use a proprietary driver for it (which doesn't bother me but some linux purists have issues with that).

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sphery:

mason: that's the best approach! :)

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justinh:

you need a strong CPU to play back hd-pvr recordings, then

[14:34:50]

justinh:

very strong indeed

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troldrik:

sshirley: if the proprietary drivers were worth anything... nvidia's are.

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sphery:

mason: though in 0.22, Myth will have GPU acceleration for (supported by NVIDIA) NVIDIA cards

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troldrik:

fglrx.. not so much.

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sphery:

troldrik: the new ATI drivers are nice

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sshirley:

h264 played back smooth in mce

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justinh:

windows != linux

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mason:

i have no problem with that with it on my frontend .. plays everything i throw at ...issue is ... the frontend is not up 24/7 so i love to have the mythtvbackend running on my server

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sshirley:

gotcha

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sphery:

no supported video decode, yet, with ATI proprietary, but software decode is better, anyway

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justinh:

ruh?

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sshirley:

Righto....that's why h264 playing sucked in mythtv. that was a major reason I switched to mce.

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justinh:

software decoding is better? since when?

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mason:

since you dont have to struggle with videodrivers and stuff

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troldrik:

Does vdpau allow do cpu/gpu postprocessing on the decoded video?

[14:37:42]

mason:

and it works regarding your gfx card ..

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justinh:

deinterlacing & stuff, yes

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justinh:

no cpu involvement though

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mason:

it works even with some crappy onboad card if you have the cpu power

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sshirley:

This is a little predictament I'm in. h264 decoding was harsh on my system (very jerky) when I ran linux (because of the drivers I guess). But MediaPortal sucks and MCE has no support for it.

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justinh:

all that happens is the video stream is shoved into the GPU directly

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shadash:

justinh: are you modifying greyhem for .22?

[14:38:26]

justinh:

shadash: NO

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justinh:

nor blootube

[14:38:36]

justinh:

nor blootube-wide

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mason:

so xbmc is your friend as frontend

[14:38:40]

justinh:

nor glass-wide

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James1324:

anyone who thinks that there computer can't play h264 (because its too bloody slow) has gotta try coreavc codec

[14:38:52]

laga:

James1324: or latest ffmpeg.

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mason:

and mediaportal is pretty bad compared to xbmc ...

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shadash:

too much of a pita?

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James1324:

my 1.6ghz can play 720p

[14:39:00]

James1324:

or 1080i

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justinh:

shadash: users are, yes

[14:39:16]

James1324:

laga, I had bad exp with ffmeg

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James1324:

way too slow

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laga:

also the release-0-21-fixes branch has improved support for 0.21 – compared to the 0.21 release

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laga:

James1324: it's been improved.

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James1324:

does it support dual core tho?

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mason:

ffmpeg is perfect if you have the cpu for it

[14:39:38]

justinh:

James1324: yes

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laga:

James1324: if your video has more than one slice

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mason:

for slower systems you coreavc is the choise

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justinh:

only for sliced streams

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James1324:

it didn't 5 months ago

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James1324:

so hopefully your not making this up ;)

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justinh:

it's not 5 months ago!

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sshirley:

Maybe coreavc with mythtv might be nice

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mason:

is there a linux port for coreavc ?

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James1324:

ahh, I've gotta check ffmpeg now

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sshirley:

Mason: yes

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mason:

oh okay

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James1324:

I'll see how it compares to coreavc

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troldrik:

There's a wrapper for coreavc.

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mason:

wrapper sounds like problem ;)

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James1324:

lol

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James1324:

a lot of good things are inside wrappers tho ;)

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sshirley:

I think what I'll do then is stick with mce for a while and deal with the nastiness of playing only video files without any episode info until mythv 0.22 comes out.

[14:41:31]

James1324:

or you can give SageTv a try

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mason:

xbmc have scrappers for that

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troldrik:

I haven't tried their myth patches... but the mplayer one either worked perfectly... or very badly... depending on the file. :/

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justinh:

yeah sagetv is free on thepiratebay

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James1324:

which ver?

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James1324:

you need 6.4

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James1324:

at least

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justinh:

who cares.. I was joking

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sshirley:

My media center hard drive is large enough. I could dual boot for a while and try both.

[14:43:15]

sshirley:

Hmmmm....Has anyone here tried SageTV? Is it worth the effort . I know they have HD-PVR support.

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James1324:

sshirley, the hd pvr support is very good

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James1324:

they have linux and windows support

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justinh:

OMG. And people say mythtv is ugly!

[14:46:09]

mason:

if youre on windows try dvbviewer

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James1324:

which I way I use it, I need windows support

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sshirley:

sagetv is not very pretty (just looked on the site)

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mason:

dvbviewer runs perfect with h264 sreams on my winbox

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James1324:

whoever said that ffmpeg is now good with h264.. what ver were you referring to?

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justinh:

did you build it from source hmm?

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James1324:

laga, ?

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justinh:

did you build it from source?

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James1324:

no, I'm in windows

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James1324:

its done for me :)

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laga:

James1324: i was referring to trunk

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justinh:

then you can't make a comparison then

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James1324:

I did a benchmark search on google.. coreavc seems to still blow ffmpeg outta the water

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mason:

also for the quality of the picture ;)

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sshirley:

Ok, guys. I gotta get going. But you've helped me out. I'm going to stick with MCE (and deal with no integration) until MythTV 0.22 comes out. Or if I have nothing to do on a Sunday, maybe dual booth and try the trunk version of MythTV.

[14:53:28]

justinh:

well if you want to waste your money paying for coreavc, you go right ahead :)

[14:53:44]

sshirley:

$15 is not a whole lot of money to get smooth playback!

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James1324:

and so I'll stick with coreavc on my 1.6 core 2 duo.. so I can still play my 1080i movies :)

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justinh:

my c2d 1.6Ghz can play 1080i h.264 from BBC HD just fine thanks. in linux

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justinh:

without coreavc :)

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James1324:

you like lag don't u

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justinh:

c2d mobile, i might add

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justinh:

though I admit that's with all the loopfiltering disabled

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James1324:

a core 2 duo is mobile ;)

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Similian:

Hi

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justinh:

not that it seems to make any difference to the output quality

[14:55:58]

Similian:

who wants to congratulate me for burning down my htpc?

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James1324:

and I'm using a t2300 laptop

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mason:

congrats !

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Similian:

Thanks

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James1324:

Similian, do you have pics?

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Similian:

:D

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justinh:

t5600 here IIRC

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Similian:

not spectacular

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Similian:

its taken apart

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James1324:

lol, t5600 that's a lot better than mine

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justinh:

t2300 is only core duo, not C2D :)

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James1324:

try a t2300 with ffmpeg, and you will see my dilema

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Similian:

Iam looking into buying new hardware (praying the hdd is fine)

[14:57:20]

James1324:

that's why coreavc is nice

[14:57:32]

Similian:

I thought about buying an intel atom dual core

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shadash:

I had a computer catch on fire once. It smelled like burning plastic and motherbaord. Started by a cheap nic

[14:57:55]

justinh:

anyway, my ignore list is getting so long I may aswell not be here

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Similian:

(i was about to make a picture)

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shadash:

justinh is not very happy

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Similian:

(but it just looks lie a htpc)

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Similian:

cpu/mb failed

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James1324:

it drives me nuts when people compare coreavc to ffmpeg

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shadash:

why

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Similian:

So myth-tv and itel atom go or no go ?

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shadash:

I researching coreavc now

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James1324:

I've tried both, and if you're not willing to pay 15 dollars to compare both .. don't tell me when "you think" ffmpeg is better

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gbee:

Similian: fine for SD mpeg 2, don't even dream about HD

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Similian:

yeah no hd no sense i guess

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Similian:

thanks gbee

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Similian:

that was my question

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James1324:

well maybe he can play HD at like 1–2mbit/s

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James1324:

but who does that :p

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gbee:

James1324: current ffmpeg is fairly close to CoreAVC performance now (and yes, I have a license and currently use ffmpeg on my production frontend)

[15:01:37]

gbee:

Atom is a puny little thing

[15:02:28]

gbee:

Similian: well maybe I was too hasty, with hardware acceleration from your graphics card (available for at least Nvidia from MythTV 0.22 onwards) I'd imagine the Atom wouldn't be a bad choice

[15:03:03]

gbee:

aside from it's power requirements being a fair bit larger than AMDs low power/netbook cpu

[15:03:30]

psofa:

gbee, i thought frame based multithreading isnt here yet

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Similian:

=D thanks for the info

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Similian:

do you guys use a commercial h246 codec

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gbee:

http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/newtheme_real.png

[15:06:04]

Similian:

is this real ?

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gbee:

Similian: no and a commercial codec would be irrelevant if you go the GPU hardware decoding route

[15:06:31]

gbee:

Similian: yes, it's real

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Similian:

public ? (it looks AAAAAAAAAAAAAmazing)

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fuxxy:

I'm trying to get mythweb installed on my master backend. I'm running apache2 with PHP5. There is no index.php in my /mythweb folder. When I browse to http://coldfire.myftp.org/mythweb I either get the contents of the mythweb.pl (when alias in default_vhost.include is set to mythweb.pl) or an error about database configuration is wrong (when alias is pointed to mythweb.php)

[15:07:15]

fuxxy:

I'm pretty lost, and not sure exactly how it's supposed to be set up.

[15:07:47]

gbee:

Similian: it's one screen so far and for MythTV 0.22 only

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Similian:

aight

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Similian:

guess i have to go with another htpc(hopter)

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iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/theme-PBB-round3.png

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iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/theme-MythMusic.png

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shadash:

that looks sweet!

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Similian:

background vid is Chuck

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Similian:

nice

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iamlindoro:

.22 will be pretty ;)

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Similian:

isnt it svn yet?

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iamlindoro:

no such thing as .22 yet, technically speaking, just what *will* be

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shadash:

Man, Myth is going to annilate all the rest of the pvrs when .22 comes out

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fuxxy:

iamlindoro: any chance .22 frontends will be capable of running on 0.21 backend? :]

[15:14:49]

iamlindoro:

not a chance

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justinh:

fuxxy: nope

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justinh:

fuxxy: any chance you can get a nick which isn't bordering on profanity?

[15:15:06]

fuxxy:

Heh, didn't think so – figured I'd ask anyway :)

[15:15:41]

justinh:

no answer to that one....

[15:15:46]

fuxxy:

justinh: I could. i've been using this nick for years and my imagination fails me in that department.

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shadash:

.22 + modified fedora 10 boot graphics is going to be really nice ;-)

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Shanther:

did his work?

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Shanther:

yes yay

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Shanther:

i need help getting my myth tv up and running on fedora will anyone help me?

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shadash:

http://mythdora.com/

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justinh:

Shanther: only if you start providing information about what you need help with rather than that rather general sweeping statement

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Shanther:

ok

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Shanther:

i just ran all of the yum thing to install the downloaded file and now im stuck...i have almost no knowledge of fedora let alone linux...if it helps its only because i have never used it (i have a businees for windows so im not a complete noob :P)

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justinh:

www.mythbuntu.org, in that case then

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unimaginative:

justinh: better? Until I come up with something thoughtful.

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justinh:

if you just want a box that runs mythtv, why not go with a ready-rolled mythtv-based distro?

[15:19:57]

Shanther:

but im not using ubantu im using fedora

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shadash:

http://mythdora.com/

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justinh:

esp. if you know FA about linux

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justinh:

but you're not using fedora.. not if you don't know what you're doing ;-)

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shadash:

ummmm

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Shanther:

...

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shadash:

Personally I like RH derivative distros

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justinh:

there's a rather authoritative guide on setting up mythtv on fedora. I wonder what it's called

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justinh:

it's a little but out of date but it'll be more help than me today

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justinh:

ahh yes. http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=fe . . . ch&meta=

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shadash:

Shanther: just reinstall http://mythdora.com/ it's a mythtv fedora distro

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Shanther:

i am using fedora and i do know that much...i have a friend who works with me who told me about mythTV so i did research and it told me it only works on linux so knowing that he doesnt use windows but uses everything else i asked him which linux i should use and he told me fedora so thats what im on

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justinh:

yeh that's how I ended up using Gentoo. Oh boy

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justinh:

never ask a fan. Ever

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Shanther:

lol

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shadash:

honestly Shanther look into mythbuntu

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Shanther:

i thought i might aswel expand my knowledge of different OS so im trying out some linux...starting with fedora

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Shanther:

i know a preinstalled version of mythTV

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shadash:

a lot of the people that use Myth are debian types

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Shanther:

but what do you learn from not having to install it?

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justinh:

do you want to a) get mythtv up & running, or b) learn linux or c) all of the above?

[15:24:18]

Shanther:

whats debian?

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shadash:

well you know what it looks like when it works

[15:24:39]

shadash:

Debian is another distrobution like Fedora

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justinh:

note: answer c may impede your progress in a) and b)

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Shanther:

c all of the above...mythTV will be fun to have furthur down the track but I still want to know what im doing on the computer when linux is running

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shadash:

if you want to learn Linux try Gentoo

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Shanther:

im not exactly in any hurry so anything i learn will be very helpful :P

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justinh:

no hurry, that's good. implies a certain level of patience which believe me you're going to need!

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shadash:

Gentoo will teach you linux even if you don't want to learn it

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Shanther:

im on dial-up atm due to me using alot of internet :P so i can't get another copy of linux till next month so in the mean time why not use what i have :P

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shadash:

order install media online for a couple of bucks and have it sent to your house

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justinh:

hmmm. grabbing EPG data with dialup internet is going to be interesting for you

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Shanther:

i have knoppix ubantu and openSUSE...oh and fedora :P so i have fedora installed and thought i have learnt a little about the yum thing (made myself hungry XD and eaten) so now im ready to learn...whatever you can tell me would be helpful :P

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shadash:

1 you don't have enough bandwith to realistically run yum

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Shanther:

well i say dial-up cause i don't count 500mb left as broadband in this case (cause i can't get anything with it)

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Shanther:

so far im impressed with linux (as a free OS) does it have voice in this chat area?

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GreyFoxx:

IRC does not support voice

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Shanther:

kk

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GreyFoxx:

Your client might have some special addon but it would require the other person to support that as well

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Shanther:

can i start my noob-a-thon by asking how do i finish the installation of mythTV?

[15:32:41]

laga:

no

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GreyFoxx:

for me it's usuallty "make install" after having compiled it.... for you I have no idea :)

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Shanther:

i have the option for "MythTV Setup" but it has errors after errors

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gbee:

(fresh, small tweaks to better match the original mockup) – http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/newtheme_real.png

[15:33:37]

gbee:

refresh

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Shanther:

it has a UPnP problem

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jamiem:

gbee: ooh

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Shanther:

"no UPnP Backends found"

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iamlindoro_:

gbee, looking good!

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shadash:

gbee: what about borders between the non-selected movie posters?

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shadash:

does that look weird?

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gbee:

not tried it yet, but I was planning to

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shadash:

It looks fine the way it is currently

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gbee:

still not entirely convinced by the style of this theme yet, but I guess as long as other people think it looks good I'm just being overly critical

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shadash:

it's light years beyond what's currently available

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Shanther:

any ideas on my problem?

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shadash:

people would flip for have the wow factor you're creating

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shadash:

half

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GreyFoxx:

Shanther: I don't know if you are following a guide or not, but normally the backend process must be started before launching the frontend process (which is why can't can find the backend)

[15:39:51]

gbee:

Shanther: it's just a warning not an error

[15:39:55]

Shanther:

...i don't even know what a backend process is?

[15:40:10]

gbee:

GreyFoxx: upnp?

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Shanther:

how do i do something about the backend processes?

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GreyFoxx:

his error is not binding the upnp server to get the SQL connection info

[15:40:47]

GreyFoxx:

not finding

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GreyFoxx:

but it can be skipped and manually entered anyway

[15:41:01]

GreyFoxx:

or just start the backend first

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Shanther:

i have a choice of frontend and setup

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gbee:

ugh so the batteries on my wireless keyboard look like they are really won't last much longer, getting painful to type anything and I don't have any spare, nor do I have a wired keyboard handy

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gbee:

guess I'm going shopping :/

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laga:

gbee: get rechargeables?

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gbee:

laga: crappy keyboard doesn't support 1.2v batteries

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Shanther:

how do i start the backend process?

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laga:

ouch

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gbee:

only reason I've not got any 1.5v akalines in the house is because I switched over to using nothing but rechargables, but they just don't work at all in this thing

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Shanther:

???

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Dibblah:

Shanther: Which installation guide are you following?

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Shanther:

none atm...im asking for help cause the installation guides don't mean anything to me cause i have never used anything linux ever

[15:48:50]

clever:

14624489472 bytes (15 GB) copied, 82861.8 s, 176 kB/s

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clever:

damn is this drive ever getting slow....

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at0m|c:

Shanther, some installation guide is better than none – especially when you're new to all this eh

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Shanther:

i think i found one

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at0m|c:

it took me a while too, but now i won't ever go back and i'm proud of the setup which intrigues all people who whitnes it :)

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Shanther:

how do i get out of it when i have the ->

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clever:

sounds like you forgot a ' or "

[15:57:05]

clever:

but i think ctrl+c will cancle the whole thing

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Shanther:

kk thnx

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Shanther:

what am i doing wrong now??? "Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost''

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laga:

Shanther: you need to read the manual

[16:01:53]

Shanther:

i am and it telling me to type this

[16:01:55]

Shanther:

mysql -u root -p < /usr/share/doc/mythtv-docs-0.21/database/mc.sql

[16:02:02]

laga:

what distro are you using?

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Shanther:

so i did and now i have an error which i think has something to do with something i did before

[16:02:25]

Shanther:

i dont even know what a distro is

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unimaginative:

gah, freaking mythweb

[16:02:41]

unimaginative:

I thought I had it figured out, but noo!

[16:02:52]

laga:

Shanther: what linux distribution

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Shanther:

fedora

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unimaginative:

Shanther: did you set a root password when you installed mysql?

[16:03:23]

laga:

Shanther: if jarod wilson's mythtv guide is still up to date, i recommend you read that

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Shanther:

yes and no...i already went in to the program and i dont know what the defaults were...i dont know how to uninstall it so i can re-install it to try again

[16:04:43]

unimaginative:

Regarding mythweb, where should the index.php alias point to? mythweb.php or mythweb.pl?

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Shanther:

how do i start again?

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unimaginative:

Shanther: you start by making sure your hardware is supported in linux.

[16:09:42]

Shanther:

yep done that and yes it is

[16:09:42]

unimaginative:

Then install mysql

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Shanther:

easier said then done

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unimaginative:

set a mysql root password

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unimaginative:

http://note19.com/2008/01/21/how-to-install-mysql-on-fedora/

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Shanther:

with this line UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('ROOT_PWD') WHERE user='root' do i replace 'ROOT_PWD' or ROOT_PWD ???

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Shanther:

as in does the comand line need the ' ' symbols?

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Shanther:

ok i got it

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Shanther:

now with this line does it need editing?

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Shanther:

mysql -u root -p < /usr/share/doc/mythtv-docs-0.21/database/mc.sql

[16:21:07]

unimaginative:

Shanther: what does ls -alh /usr/share/doc/mythtv-docs-0.21/database/mc.sql tell you?

[16:21:13]

Shanther:

now it asks for a password but i only have 1 password and its saying its wrong

[16:21:24]

Shanther:

i dont know...as i said iim new to linux

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unimaginative:

run the command I pasted and tell me what it tells you

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cesman:

The password it needs, is the password you set above

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cesman:

that line needs the correct path to mc.sql

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Shanther:

it then asks for a password...but every password i use is wrong

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unimaginative:

Shanther: did you set a root password for mysql after installing mysql?

[16:22:55]

Shanther:

yes but it was saying that that password was wrong yet in every other use of it it was right

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Shanther:

i got it....the password is blank...as in no password

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unimaginative:

Shanther: then you never set a mysql root password.

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unimaginative:

Set one now.

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Shanther:

how

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unimaginative:

mysql -u root

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sid3windr:

or rather mysqladmin password <x>

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unimaginative:

then at the prompt, erp

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unimaginative:

yeah, thanks sid3windr

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Shanther:

so say my password is banana...i would type mysqladmin password <banana> or do i leave out the <>

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unimaginative:

mysqladmin -u root password NEWPASSWORD

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sid3windr:

Shanther: you've never read any documentation or whatever?

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Shanther:

no

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sid3windr:

I bet you'd type quotes if I put them around

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sid3windr:

:/

[16:29:12]

sid3windr:

anyway it's good that you say you've never read any documentation, will surely get you helped here :]

[16:29:14]

Shanther:

no i ask first so i don't make a mistake ( i make the mistake when nobody answers and i give it a wak n my own)

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unimaginative:

sid3windr: it could be worse. He could have a tech job with that same mentality :)

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Shanther:

lol

[16:30:13]

Shanther:

i do have a tech job

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Shanther:

XD

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unimaginative:

oh jesus.

[16:30:26]

** unimaginative falls over **

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sid3windr:

ye gods.

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sid3windr:

:P

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Shanther:

lol but i know how do do it cause it 100% windows and im pro on windows

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sid3windr:

ah yes

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sid3windr:

pro on windows.

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sid3windr:

you're a sales guy at best buy or something? :P

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Shanther:

so i type in....... mysqladmin -u root password banana

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unimaginative:

Shanther: sure.

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Shanther:

no i own by own repair shop

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Shanther:

and the line i just typed in is wrong

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unimaginative:

Shanther: when in doubt, try 'command --help'

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Shanther:

'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)'

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unimaginative:

Shanther: try it without the -u root

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Shanther:

nope same problem

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Shanther:

any more ideas?

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sid3windr:

then you have a root password set.

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sid3windr:

you just forgot it.

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Shanther:

i know my root password

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Shanther:

it hasn't changed

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jamiem:

mysql password for root :)

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Shanther:

and the system still accepts it in every way except the one i nede it to

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jamiem:

did you try mysql -uroot -h$hostname ?

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Shanther:

that just gives me heaps of lines of script

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jamiem:

replace $hostname with your actual hostname :

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Shanther:

[root@Underworld-Fedora Shanther]# mysql -u root h$sacred

[16:39:00]

Shanther:

ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)

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jamiem:

remove the $

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Shanther:

same problem

[16:40:10]

jamiem:

Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO) ?

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Shanther:

yea

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jamiem:

localhost?

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jamiem:

mysql -uroot -hsacred

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Shanther:

i found something that worked

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jamiem:

Joy.

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Shanther:

mysql -u sacred

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Shanther:

but what do i do woth that

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jamiem:

wut?!

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jamiem:

http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resett . . . issions.html

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Shanther:

mysql -uroot -hsacred did something

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jamiem:

does it say mysql> ?

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Shanther:

ERROR 2005 (HY000): Unknown MySQL server host 'sacred' (2)

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wagnerrp:

is the machine name of the mysql server 'sacred'?

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Shanther:

no the machine name is underworld-fedora

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jamiem:

face

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jamiem:

palm

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wagnerrp:

well then that command was doomed to fail

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jamiem:

and 'sacred' is a poor root password :D

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Shanther:

its not my password its my laptops name

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jamiem:

oic

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wagnerrp:

you need to run that command on the machine hosting the mysql server

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wagnerrp:

and you should not define the host, it should be using the local file socket

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Shanther:

thats this one...is there like a linux version that says what the machine name is?

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jamiem:

hostname

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Shanther:

got it...Underworld-fedora

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jamiem:

but it does somewhat rely on your local DNS being right

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Shanther:

[root@Underworld-Fedora Shanther]# mysql -uroot -hUnderworld-fedora

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Shanther:

ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)

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wagnerrp:

well then add '-p', and input your password

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Shanther:

ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

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Shanther:

stuff it im gonna re-install the whole system

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erb:

whats the command to run the mythtv control center from a terminal window?

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unimaginative:

erb: isn't that a ubuntu-specific app?

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erb:

mythbuntu

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unimaginative:

erb: then you may have better luck in #mythbuntu

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erb:

ook

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Similian:

i find myth tv need a cool logo with all these new themes comin up

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Similian:

like an apple with a missing piece

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unimaginative:

I believe that logo's already been taken :)

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_abbenormal:

control center or setup

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unimaginative:

ooh looks like I made apache mad

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_abbenormal:

erb

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_abbenormal:

ok back to work

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tomtom099:

can I ask silly questions about audio hardware here? (or what place would be better?)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

tomtom099: if it's pertinent to Myth, ask away...

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tomtom099:

I have a board with a "HD Audio codec" onboard, and stereo speakers connector. Now how do I get 5.1 sound out of there(of course I want it for my mythtv box :))

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

tomtom099: Depends on the board – if it's got spdif output via RCA or Optical on the board, then you use that. Some cards can output the digital audio on one of the 1/8" audio jacks, and you'll need an adapter cable to feed that into your receiver.

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tomtom099:

there is no optical... RCA is that the one for SPDIF on coax? Doesnt have that one either. Only 3 of the 1/8" (mic, line and speaker). I have never seen such an adapter cable – how can I find out if this would work, and where to get one?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

tomtom099: ... and if it's onboard- which yours seems to be, there may be a header on the motherboard for the SPDIF connections – you'll need the [probably optional] spdif adapter to use it.

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tomtom099:

I have looked for such an onboard connector, but there is none :-(

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

tomtom099: Check the manual for the motherboard, or the manufacturer's web site for the specs.

[17:51:22]

tomtom099:

the board is this one: http://www.jetway.com.tw/jw/ipcboard_view.asp . . . 7F5M1G2E-VHE

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

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tomtom099:

they advertize the "6 channel audio codec" but they seem to have forgotten the connectors =:-I

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Guest72990:

everytime I try to switch inputs I am getting a seggault. I thought it used to be working so I am not sure what has changed. I looked at dmesg and see this: mythfrontend[21521]: segfault at 60 ip 0000003f04e6eb6e sp 00007f6b32f25860 error 4 in libGL.so.177.80[3f04e00000+98000]

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Guest72990:

anybody know how to fix this?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

tomtom099: lots of headers on that little MB... trying to find a downloadable manual...

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tomtom099:

jeff: hang on i think i have one...

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

tomtom099: User Manual Download -> "Coming Soon"

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tomtom099:

:-)

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tomtom099:

I think I see something there... what exactly was this RCA thing?

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Guest72990:

everytime I try to switch inputs I am getting a seggault. I thought it used to be working so I am not sure what has changed. I looked at dmesg and see this: mythfrontend[21521]: segfault at 60 ip 0000003f04e6eb6e sp 00007f6b32f25860 error 4 in libGL.so.177.80[3f04e00000+98000]. Anybody know what might be causing this?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

tomtom099: Does it have a S-Video port on it too?

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tomtom099:

yes

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

tomtom099: (like a PS2 keyboard connector, but only 4 pins instead of 6)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

tomtom099: that's probably just for Composite Video output. Looks like it also came with a Component Video output bracket.

[18:03:57]

tomtom099:

actually, this one is not exactly mine... I have a HDMI connector but no DVI connector (but the spec of mine variant is not online). I dont care for component video, currently I use s-video, and in the future i want to use the HDMI

[18:04:15]

tomtom099:

Does a HDMI cable carry any 5.1 sound?

[18:05:09]

keith4:

the HDMI standard includes audio, yes

[18:05:27]

keith4:

but that doesn't mean your HDMI port will include audio out

[18:05:36]

tomtom099:

oh... :)

[18:05:48]

tomtom099:

is it analog or digital audio then?

[18:05:49]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

tomtom099: It has the capability, but wether the chipset supports it and/or if it's supported [yet] in Linux is another question.

[18:06:16]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

tomtom099: digital, of course.

[18:07:05]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

tomtom099: Not sure if it's correct, but one guy says the included S-video adapter is also the digital out... Does the card slot have labels on the connectors?

[18:07:42]

keith4:

wow

[18:07:44]

keith4:

that's messed up

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tomtom099:

not labeled at all

[18:09:03]

tomtom099:

the coax is yellow, so I expected a composite video there, but that was not the case..... so it might be a SPDIF

[18:09:38]

Guest72990:

o.k. I switched the video playback quality and it seems like it has mostly fixed the problem, but when I try swapt the main/PIP it hangs the mythfrontend with this error repeating in the shell: NVP: Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times.

[18:09:43]

Guest72990:

anyody know what that means?

[18:11:09]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

tomtom099: one site I just found lists the backpates as: 1) YPbPr/S-video pin header cable 1) S-Video-IN / Video-IN pin header cable

[18:11:24]

tomtom099:

can u paste me the URL?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

tomtom099: http://www.logicsupply.com/products/j7f5m1g2_vhe <- yep, was in progress... ;-)

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Guest72990:

another problem I have is that when playing dvd's everything is screwed up, before I upgrade myth could play dvds fine. is there a better dvd player that can be used. right now it is default which is apparently internal mplayer

[18:13:14]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

tomtom099: if there was hardware decoding for H.264 and MPEG4, I'd probably buy one of those... but since I'm going HD, I'm gonna pass... (SD would be fine though)

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Guest72990:

can anyone hear me?

[18:14:31]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Guest72990: Swapping PIP actuall causes both tuners to swap channels, not just the images being swapped...

[18:14:33]

tomtom099:

wow the spec of this shop is better than that of jetway themselves :)

[18:14:50]

tomtom099:

so this bracket is for input only :-(

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Guest72990:

J-e-f-f-A_, o.k. that could be a problem since one is analog and the other digital

[18:15:20]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Guest72990: Internal player is not mplayer – it's Myth's internal media player. You can change the DVD player to Xine or Mplayer, or whatever – there are details on the wiki.

[18:15:58]

Guest72990:

J-e-f-f-A_, any idea which player is "most" compatible with a standard dvd hardware device

[18:16:06]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Guest72990: So for PIP, maybe it doesn't know how to deal with that yet...

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Guest72990:

J-e-f-f-A_, yeah it is probably trying to show the analog channel on the digial tuner which screwed me up before

[18:17:02]

thefRont:

I wonder if mythfrontend will run flawlessly under virtualbox

[18:17:08]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Guest72990: the hardware isn't the issue usually, it's the encoding. Try Xine outside of MythTV, and if you like it better, setup Myth to use it to play DVDs instead. You'll have to setup your remote for Xine too...

[18:17:10]

thefRont:

let's check it out

[18:17:40]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

thefRont: Good luck — doesnt virtualbox use 'vesa' display modes?

[18:17:59]

thefRont:

I'm not exactly sure

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Guest72990:

J-e-f-f-A_, well I mean if I stick the disk in an old dvd player it plays fine, I can see the menues etc. but through mytht it is just kind of garbled and locks up a bit

[18:18:58]

thefRont:

but this would be a great replacement for winmyth for me because that doesn't work at all

[18:19:15]

tomtom099:

jeff: what did you mean, what you'd buy?

[18:19:22]

thefRont:

maybe because winmyth and mythtv 0.21 use different protocol versions

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

tomtom099: I would buy that for a myth frontend if it was powerful enough to decode HighDefinition.

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Guest72990:

J-e-f-f-A_, from the wiki it sounds like the internal player should work fine, but that does not appear to be the case. weird

[18:21:33]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

tomtom099: It might have a prayer at doing US ATSC HD with via XvMC, but doesn't have a prayer at decoding H.264 or MPEG4 in software.

[18:22:13]

yalu:

Hi! there is q menu in mythtv "dvd/cd" qnd under it you can play vcd's, dvd's and rip cd's. However you cannot simply play a cd. Yes I know about mythmusic but I find it cumbersome for "just" playing a cd.

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yalu:

does anything simpler exist?

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tomtom099:

I dont understand what you mean "have a prayer"

[18:22:48]

yalu:

make a cross and hope that helps? :-)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

tomtom099: It doesn't have enough processing power to decode High Definition that's encoded as H.264 or MPEG4 — you need a 3GHz + 'real' processor to handle that...

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GreyFoxx:

yalu: You mean play an audio CD ?

[18:23:31]

yalu:

GreyFoxx: yes that

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GreyFoxx:

Mythmusic

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GreyFoxx:

play cd

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tomtom099:

ok :)

[18:23:53]

yalu:

yes... it's somewhat un-cd-playerish... make a playlist add tracks etc

[18:24:16]

tomtom099:

but what can I do next to go for audio?

[18:24:20]

GreyFoxx:

Does it? I've not once in the last 5 or so years played an audio cd with myth so I've never seen it :)

[18:24:23]

octavsly:

BTW. Maybe you guys know. Does it make sense to activate hyperthreading with mythtv?

[18:25:13]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

tomtom099: You'll have to look at the manual to see if it has SPDIF outputs — if not, perhaps a USB sound card with SPDIF would be the only way you could do it, unless you feel like droppping a PCI card in it...

[18:26:02]

tomtom099:

no SPDIF mentioned in the manual, I have searched it trice back- and forward now :-))

[18:26:34]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro___: I only spent about 30 mins on my system last-night [got home really late], but got video to play fine using VDPAU. Updating to the latest trunk seemed to fix it, must have been a bug in there or something whint amuck with my first compile.. . I dunno, it's working onw.

[18:27:01]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

tomtom099: And all the little 'headers' are clearly defined as to what they are in the manual?

[18:27:08]

tomtom099:

cant get it into my head that they built this "6 channel audio" piece on the board, and no connectors to it ?!?!?

[18:27:51]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

tomtom099: IT may be 6-channel Analog audio — in chich case you'd need 3x 18" sterio to RCA jacks, and a sterio with 5.1 analog input...

[18:28:05]

tomtom099:

little headers :-) yes, except for one that I dont understand, its called LVDS

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

s/chich/which/

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

tomtom099: that's for an LCD panel — Low Voltage Differential Signal

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tomtom099:

ah ok :-)

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Guest72990:

J-e-f-f-A_, how can I switch from the internal player then to mplayer for video playback

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Guest72990: In the setup, you change the playback application for DVDs from "Internal" to "mplayer ...<options>" – there should be a wiki page for it...

[18:29:52]

tomtom099:

the board has actually 3 of the 1/8 jacks

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tomtom099:

labeled "line out / line in / Mic"

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thefRont:

J-e-f-f-A_: looks like there are people who got mythtv successfully running inside virtualbox

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thefRont:

I definitively will give it a try

[18:31:13]

yarrmatey:

How I can get free Dish Network with MythTV?

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iamlindoro____:

;)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Guest72990: "mplayer dvd:// -dvd-device %d -fs -zoom -vo xv"

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro____: Wow, I almost fell for that!

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gbee:

iamlindoro: I'd just got back to the desk when you posted that, I was about to be very rude ;)

[18:32:43]

iamlindoro____:

Heh, I'm stuck in this awful training all week, ugh

[18:33:09]

iamlindoro____:

this little mibbit client is clever, though

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gbee:

doesn't help that I've got nick change messages disabled because I hate wading through a page of them to read the bits inbetween

[18:33:25]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro____: raise your hand and start asking random questions. Like "What brand is that Dry-Erase Marker?"

[18:33:49]

tomtom099:

Jeff: if I simply put some adapters there and connect it to the 5.1 amplifier, then they will still be input connectors...

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

gbee: Yeah, I was ready to blast 'yarrmatey', but when the tab-completion didn't work, I noticed the nick change... ;-)

[18:34:36]

thefRont:

J-e-f-f-A_: the faq on mythtv.org also tells that it should work quite well

[18:34:59]

gbee:

it's only because my client colour codes nicks and iamlindoro winking immediately afterwards that I put it together

[18:35:14]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

tomtom099: many newer motherboards can switch the functions of the jacks between inputs and outputs... The manual should mention that functionality...

[18:35:21]

iamlindoro____:

heh, sorry guys :)

[18:35:47]

tomtom099:

manual should... but manual does not ... grrrrrrrrr

[18:35:58]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

thefRont: Cool, give it a shot... ;-) And log a note of your experiences on the wiki page... ;-)

[18:36:24]

thefRont:

I will, if I find it ;)

[18:36:36]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro____: Ask "Can I use that on my MythTV box?" ;-)

[18:37:05]

gbee:

Guest72990: try increasing the drive speed to the max with the internal player (under the video settings somewhere)

[18:37:09]

iamlindoro____:

"But will it run linux?

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iamlindoro____:

"

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro____: What's the training for?

[18:37:49]

iamlindoro____:

Product Lifecycle Management software :( :P

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gbee:

happily there is a patch in trac that I suspect will allow DVD streaming to work properly from a drive at 1x

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

gbee: Humm... so it's either 'max' or '1x' currently?

[18:39:40]

gbee:

J-e-f-f-A: no, 1x, 2x, 4x etc through to 12x

[18:40:13]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

gbee: Ah, so if he sets it to 2x or 4x, he might be ok [assuming he's got it set to 1x now?]

[18:40:19]

gbee:

but I've found that with some drives it needs to be 8x-12x before it stops choking

[18:40:31]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

gbee: ouch.

[18:40:49]

gbee:

J-e-f-f-A: possibly, I'm just suggesting the max as a quick way to debug

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

gbee: sounds like it waits too long before reuesting more data, thus the buffer empties before the new data comes in...

[18:41:31]

gbee:

the other thing to do is disable xvmc if you are using it, since that might cause problems with the menus

[18:42:37]

gbee:

J-e-f-f-A: yeah, the drive isn't streaming as it should be from what I can tell, patch in trac suggests we're not properly telling the drive to switch to streaming mode

[18:43:30]

gbee:

but it's all guesswork on my part, not bothered enough about it to try fixing it myself

[18:43:35]

unimaginative:

gbee: would xvmc cause the sound to cut out while the OSD is on screen?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

gbee: Ah, that's cool. ;-) — and now that I've got a test box built and running Trunk, I'll start to make more meaningful contributions [ie patches]... as time goes on... ;-) [about time, eh?]

[18:43:58]

gbee:

my drives are all quiet at 12x, so it makes no difference

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

gbee: Until you have a poorly balanced DVD... ;-)

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gbee:

wonder how DVD menus fair with vdpau, haven't tried it yet

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

gbee: I haven't tried it yet, but the OSD looks much cleaner in trunk... at least what I've seen so far, which has just been Live TV [ATSC HD] and a couple of test recordings.

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d0netsFN:

ok

[18:45:51]

d0netsFN:

my mythweb asx streams worked last night when i tried it locally

[18:46:16]

d0netsFN:

im at the hospital now and the streams arent workin

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gbee:

well it works on a DVD I happen to have ripped to this machine

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gbee:

J-e-f-f-A: yeah the OSD looks better because it's rendered at the screen resolution rather than the video res, that's only been possible before now with the opengl renderer

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

d0netsFN: Locally – IE in your home? Sounds like it's giving you your private address [ie 192.168.x.x] in the link instead of your public internet address. You can probably temporarily change the 192.168.x.x in the url to your external IP:port for now...

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

gbee: It's beautimus. ;-)

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Shadow____X:

dont ports need to be open

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Shadow____X:

?

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d0netsFN:

i get "an error occurred. location not found"

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gbee:

J-e-f-f-A: The two or three HD osd themes will look even better rendered that way

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iamlindoro____:

d0netsFN: Open the asx file as a text file.

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iamlindoro____:

read the ip address in it. If it's a 192.168 address, that's why it's failing

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Shadow____X: That's a possibility too, I don't recall if it uses the same port as mythweb or not... [not at home to test atm]

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iamlindoro____:

Shadow____X: it's just HTTP

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Shadow____X:

oh ok

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

^^ that's what I thought — thanks iamlindoro____ ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

but d0netsFN — You're not going to have the bandwidth to play the ASX stream over the internet...

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

d0netsFN: the Flash player should work OK if you have enough bandwidth though...

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d0netsFN:

http://hebs.doesntexist.org:80/mythweb/pl/str . . . 2/1231259400

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d0netsFN:

looks like its public to me

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gbee:

d0netsFN: what's your upstream bandwidth like?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

yeah d0netsFN — see my note a couple of lines above ^^

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d0netsFN:

ok where is the flash version

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

d0netsFN: Mythweb – Recordings Screen, click on athumbnail.

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d0netsFN:

that you speak of

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d0netsFN:

recorded programs?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

d0netsFN: You may have to go to the settings and enable it first, it's off by default now.

[18:55:35]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Yes ^

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d0netsFN:

is it in the mythweb settings? if so, any idea exaqctly where?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

d0netsFN: Settings Button -> MythWeb Button -> Video Playbac Tab -> Enable Video Playback checkbox

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

d0netsFN: Then go to the "Recorded Programs" page, and click in the thumbnail of the program you want to watch. On the program details screen, the preview image will now be an embedded flash player.

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iamlindoro____:

Will also need correctly compiled ffmpeg

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

d0netsFN: If all goes well, when you click the Play button, it will start to play your program within a few seconds. Note that seeking doesn't work [yet?], but IIRC pause does...

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iamlindoro____:

(as the red warning indicates)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro____: Ah, yeah forgot about that... If your ffmpeg isn't compiled properly, it will just sit there with a blank screen...

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro____: Maybe one of my contributions could be getting either the flash playback or the older non-offical "MythStreamTV" 'plugin' (<- Used loosely here) setup and work with Xris to make it official. I had it working quite well on my 0.19 or 0.20 system way-back-when...

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

d0netsFN: Are you in the hospital yourself, or visting somebody?

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javatexan:

hey I found the hard drive from my old 8088 Turbo! The computer has long since died and gone. The hard drive still spins, I wonder if there is a converter to hook this thing up to a newer machine to get the data off. It was from studying CS in college, no telling what is on there.... :)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

javatexan: Yeah, it's called an MFM controller... Probably only found in ISA slot format though...

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javatexan:

COOL! that is awesome. thanks

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kormoc:

so get a usb to isa adapter!

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

javatexan: two edge connectors on the drive, right? one IIRC is 20-pin, and the other IIRC is something like 34 pins.

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javatexan:

yes

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jamesd:

javatexan, the better question is why didn't you just copy its entire onto your newer harddrives as time goes on.. given that its probably only 10–40MB in size it wouldn't of made a dent into any harddrdive you have owned in the last 10 years...

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

javatexan: Yep, if it's from an 8080, it's MFM... or possibly RLL, but most likely MFM.

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javatexan:

well the computer motherboard met with an early demise...my roomate got drunk and spilled his beer into the box

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javatexan:

thats cool

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jamesd:

first attempt and liquid cooling system failed news at 11.

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jamesd:

er s/and/at/

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javatexan:

it has printed on it WD 584R

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javatexan:

the WD website says its a RLL

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academy:

Does mythtv create new recordings every now and again if a show lasts a long time in livetv? Every half an hour or so, my video freezes for around 5 seconds.

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xris:

J-e-f-f-A|work: I put out a call awhile back for help with the flash player.

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

javatexan: Ok, yeah, RLL is the same connectors, with a different encoding for higher density. So you need an MFM RLL Controller Card...

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

xris: I'll try. ;-)

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xris:

I want a music player in flash, too

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xris:

so we don't have to muck around with the stupid half-broken m3u streaming stuff anymore.

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jamesd:

might be cheaper to buy an old AT box at good will or craiglist or ebay and use it to recover your data... i don't see any listing for a pci based rll controller

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mason:

anyone running a haupauge dvbs2 ?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

javatexan: http://cgi.ebay.com/8-Bit-ISA-RLL-MFM-Hard-Dr . . . 4112011r8504 <-- then you'd just need a 'puter to put it in... ;-)

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** J-e-f-f-A|work remembers using an "IBM PC" Western Digital RLL controller with an adapter circuit and a custom driver on his Amiga in 1991... Ooh, a 10MB HardDisk!!! **

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** J-e-f-f-A|work just remembered it was MFM, not RLL at the time... oops! **

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javatexan:

wonder if this would work for the ISA part: http://www.arstech.com/item-USB-2-0-to-ISA-ca . . . usb2isa.html

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

javatexan: ... Sounds like what kormoc suggested... ;-) I didn't know they existed!

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javatexan:

i laplinked windows 2.0 onto that old 8088 and had the borland c++ compiler on it....simple apps would take 15 min to compile. Those were the days. Start a compile...go to bathroom, get something to eat, watch tv, come back to find compiler error.....repeat. We sure have be spoiled with these newer fandangled compilers that compile in seconds....eh?

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Shadow____X:

esp when the compiler points out around where the mistake is

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d0netsFN:

J-e-f-f-A|work

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d0netsFN:

im visiting someone

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d0netsFN:

my gfs father had a massive heart attack on the 26th

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d0netsFN:

other than a couple breaks i took at home during his dialisis, we have been up here from 9–9 ever since

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d0netsFN:

so can i up this resolution?

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d0netsFN:

if so, what should i up it to?

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Hoxzer:

nkl

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d0netsFN:

hrmm i did what you said i see the player there in the page

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d0netsFN:

but its like it plays a 2 second loop over and over gain

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d0netsFN:

instead of playing the full show

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iamlindoro____:

generally implies the transcoding system is too slow

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iamlindoro____:

It is a not-even-alpha feature

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gbee:

proof of concept

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d0netsFN:

lame

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

d0netsFN: Humm... Yeah, my system plays ok, but it's pretty quick {A64 x2 4800)

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d0netsFN:

so how do i stream this stuff?

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d0netsFN:

yea i only have a amd 64 3000 in that box

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d0netsFN:

i need to upgrade

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

d0netsFN: Well, that would be fast enough I would think... It's probably your internet link that's the issue...

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iamlindoro____:

New rule, you're not allowed to call someone elses hard work lame unless you have something better

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gbee:

managed to stream mpeg2 SD with the flash player from an AMD 64 2800 to my hotel room, 18 months ago

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

... and for the record, I don't think it's lame at all... just needs some refinement... ;-)

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d0netsFN:

ok its playing now

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d0netsFN:

but hrmm

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d0netsFN:

i plug my headphones in and i get no audio from them

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d0netsFN:

wtf

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d0netsFN:

wth*

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iamlindoro____:

your ffmpeg isn't compiled with mp3 support

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gbee:

d0netsFN: sounds like ffmpeg wasn't compiled with liblame

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d0netsFN:

lol

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d0netsFN:

so how do i fix that

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d0netsFN:

the sound works from my speakers

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

kormoc: that usb to ISA adapter looks pretty neat. ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

javatexan: ouch – $149 +

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gbee:

d0netsFN: then ignore us, if you get audio from the speakers but not headphones then it's not a software problem, could be that your headphones are broken, or that they have an inline volume control which is at zero

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

javatexan: ... $18 for the power supply...

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javatexan:

I saw that

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gbee:

might be that the headphones are seen by the mixer as a seperate output which is currently muted

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javatexan:

not sure if that 40MB is worth $175 total.....darn

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javatexan:

All I wanted off of it was an old game

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javatexan:

called "Sword of Aragon" or something like that

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gbee:

not the porn?

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javatexan:

that was on the other hdd I think ;)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

javatexan: Did you write it yourself?

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javatexan:

no....but I can't remember where I got it either...prolly the same place I got laplink and windows.....a roomate

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javatexan:

I was thinking about remaking it...but I wanted to play it again to remember how it all worked

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

javatexan: haha! I had like 30+ discs of Apple II games in high scool... All obtained by similar ways... I haven't done that stuff in ~15 years now though...

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d0netsFN:

ok im back

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d0netsFN:

its max on the inline volume control

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d0netsFN:

lemme see if they work with my g1

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iamlindoro____:

Help guys! The screen on my computer is all blank and there are no pictures on the screen!

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Shadow____X:

what os

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javatexan:

me neither...its fun to think about those times again....we were drunk most of the time we played that game...its probably far worse than I remember... LOL

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Shadow____X:

lol

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro____: Ok, let's start by unplugging all the cables – did that help any? ;-)

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iamlindoro____:

NO

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iamlindoro____:

Help, I am stuck at a roadside truck stop and have no entertainment!

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gbee:

iamlindoro____: did the lights in the house go out at the same time?

[19:47:24]

iamlindoro____:

THIS IS YOUR PROBLEM NOW

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javatexan:

iamlindoro____: lol....are you having a support meltdown?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro____: do you have the original boxes the computer came in?

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iamlindoro____:

gbee: Yes, what I do?

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gbee:

:p

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iamlindoro____:

j-e-f-f-a, yes, I am currently living in them

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javatexan:

iamlindoro____:have you called all the manufacturers of all your components and told them the long...drawn out story?

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gbee:

I'd not last two hours in front line tech support

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro____: You need to ship it back to us... But that means you'll have to find alternate living arrangements.

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javatexan:

lol

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d0netsFN:

yea shiese

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro____: It's serious — you see, Y T F S T O A C !!! ;-)

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d0netsFN:

i think my headphones are broken

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justinh:

gbee: two hours? give me five minutes

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

d0netsFN: If you're going to be there for a while, I'm sure the gift shop has a set for like $20... ;-)

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d0netsFN:

my gf's sister had some

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d0netsFN:

lemme test them out

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Tuxguy:

will this IR receiver work http://www.parallax.com/Store/Sensors/ColorLi . . . cProductName ?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Tuxguy: If you're asking if it will work to build your own serial IR receiver, then it should work... I just used a receiver from an old VCR...

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justinh:

gbee: regarding this 'demo' theme idea... starting to think some kind of collaborative effort would be nice, if no single person can put in all the time to do something from zero & redo everything

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A|work, now that funny part is I had no clue they made isa to usb adapters, just went with the assumption that everything has a usb counterpart these days

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gbee:

justinh: 2hrs including 20 minutes of adjusting my seat, 40 minutes of re-arranging the desk, by which time I'd be ready for a 15 minute tea break, returning to my desk I'd finally pick up the phone ... to call my dentist and cancel the appointment – long story short, 30 seconds after speaking to my first 'customer' I'd go on a killing spree

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d0netsFN:

J-e-f-f-A|work

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justinh:

heh

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

kormoc: I had a hunch it was an 'off-the-cuff' comment... I was pretty suprised to see that one existed too. ;-)

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d0netsFN:

how high do you think i can set these settings for the streaming?

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d0netsFN:

my upload is usually around 80 KB/sec

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justinh:

I was at the dentist earlier. was quite pleasant apart from him having Steve Wright on in the background

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d0netsFN:

and its around 120 down here at the hospital

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d0netsFN:

id like to make it a little less grainy when i have it in full screen mode

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gbee:

justinh: I was hoping that someone might say that, about the demo theme I mean

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

d0netsFN: I dunno... I think you can only change the Horizontal resolution currently... I think I put mine up a little higher.

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justinh:

iamlindoro____: btw I worked out what udo's problem is. you know my frontend used to be a via system... it made me pretty bitter too :p

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** J-e-f-f-A|work checks what he has set. **

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justinh:

gbee: there's too much work for just one person, it's taken me this long to realise it

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justinh:

that, and the fact there's so much can be played with now. not saying it would be better done by comittee...

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d0netsFN:

and when you said i dont have the bandwidth to stream the .asx's

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d0netsFN:

is that the download or upload speed that is limiting it?

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iamlindoro____:

"yes"

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iamlindoro____:

justinh: He's a dork, I give up on him

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gbee:

I think the clue was in the fact that someone mentioned the XBMC skin development _team_ the other day ... hang on? Theming need not be a solo activity? Why did no-one tell me sooner?

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iamlindoro____:

setting aside control-freakishness is *hard*

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justinh:

I don't mind being steered

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justinh:

so long as it's not "hey, this sucks, but it'd rock if" ;)

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gbee:

sometime tonight I need to create the default and default wide themes for the new watch recordings screen .... fun

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iamlindoro____:

gbee: Is that to say that the code is pretty much done?

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iamlindoro____:

none-themewise, that is

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Tuxguy:

J-e-f-f-A|work got a good link for building one? i tried using my boe-bot as the means, and it didnt work too well, but i will build a real one tonight

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

d0netsFN: I think mine is actually the default settings – 400x300, Video: 512 kbps Audio: 64kbps

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gbee:

justinh: change that, maybe this, and re-arrange those, invert them ... yeah, looks much better, nothing like the original

[20:03:52]

gbee:

iamlindoro_____> just going through now and giving it a final pass

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justinh:

I liked the direction concept was going in for mythvideo.. just got blocked up on the manual schedules screen. so barren :-\

[20:03:59]

d0netsFN:

ok what kinda speeds does it take to stream the asx?

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GreyFoxx:

haahahhaha

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Tuxguy: I bult the one from lirc.org – and got +5v power from the PS2 keyboard connector. (with a passthru for the keyboard)

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GreyFoxx:

I always want to reply to that guy in -dev that his tickets haven't been looked at because his support payment cheque hasn't cleared yet :)

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iamlindoro____:

d0netsFN: Many many times more speed than you have

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gbee:

I might make a patch available in a few minutes, maybe some volunteers to spot what I've missed?

[20:05:21]

GreyFoxx:

a new PBB patch?

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d0netsFN:

really?

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iamlindoro____:

I'm down for that, but stuck here for a few more hours

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d0netsFN:

so 399 KB/sec wouldnt stream it

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iamlindoro____:

d0netsFN: yes

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d0netsFN:

?

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gbee:

GreyFoxx: yeah, hopefully the final one or close to it anyway

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GreyFoxx:

Same here. I'll try it out as soon as I get home but I;'m stuck at a clients so it will be several hours before I got to it :(

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iamlindoro____:

d0netsFN: Your *SD* stuff is probably close to 4000–6000

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justinh:

I need to re-sort out my laptop so I can do some more work. need a mockup database etc

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

d0netsFN: ASX = The raw recoring, streamed via HTTP – so if you had a 1.3GB hour-long recording, you'd need at least 3.6Mbps upload and download path... and that's not even counting packetization, so at leat 4Mbps UP from your house, and down to the site you are at.

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Arceus_:

how many video capture cards do i need if i have 3 digital media devices with analog output (i don't wanna play them at same time or record)

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justinh:

Arceus_: three :)

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justinh:

or 2 dual input cards like the PVR500

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d0netsFN:

ok wel what should i set this res to

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gbee:

iamlindoro____: that low? picking one recording at random, not even from the highest bitrate SD channel – 15,000kb/s

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Arceus_:

justinh, Ah okey, thx

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Arceus_: Ok, if you don't want to play/record them at the same time, you could get away with a PVR-500, which has 2 tuners, and 2 S-video inputs per tuner.

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Dagmar:

It's amazing how often we have to explain to people how their own stuff works.

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iamlindoro____:

gbee: You get 15 Mbit SD channels? <--- Jealous.

[20:09:15]

GreyFoxx:

gbee: imagine if we had one of these for myth http://xbmcskineditor.xbox-scene.com/screenshots.php

[20:09:16]

GreyFoxx:

heh

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gbee:

actually, thinking about it I suspect that's completely bogus

[20:09:38]

gbee:

just ffmpeg getting it wrong

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gbee:

no way it's really that high

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Arceus_: What are the devices?

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Arceus_:

J-e-f-f-A|work, Okey so actually I can use up to 4 devices with one PVR-500?

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justinh:

Arceus_: no

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Arceus_:

J-e-f-f-A|work, Digital-box, Satellite and Ethernet driven digital-box

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Arceus_: yes, but only 1 at a time on each tuner, so if you have device A and B connected to Tuner 1, you can either use A or B, but not both. Same with C or D on T2... And you'd have to buy additional adapters from Hauppauge to get the additional inputs... ;-)

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justinh:

well, maybe you could.. if you use a mixture of composite & svideo

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Arceus_:

J-e-f-f-A|work, What is T1 and T2?

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justinh:

I thought Hauppauge shipped the extra inputs bracket with every card now

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gbee:

iamlindoro: looking at figures gathered from monitoring the bitrates on the Terrestrial muxes, 8000 looks like a good figure :)

[20:11:44]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Arceus_: Tuner 1 and Tuner 2. The 500 has two tuners.

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justinh:

two tuners and two mpeg encoders :)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

justinh: Only for the 2nd tuner on the 500. To access "S-video2" for each tuner, he'd need 2 more of the same bracket...

[20:12:24]

justinh:

two?

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gbee:

average is around 4 though

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justinh:

I thought the extra bracket was for all the inputs on the 2nd encoder

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iamlindoro____:

gbee: Still pretty decent, my SD channels coming via firewire are closer to 3 Mbit

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justinh:

iamlindoro____: yes, but your stuff is lower res than PAL ;)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

justinh: Yes, it is – for S-Video 1 [usually] on the 2nd tuner. But you can use the same brackets for the S-Video2 inputs of each tuner.

[20:13:29]

justinh:

about 100 lines less res :)

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Arceus_:

J-e-f-f-A|work, Okey but i dont have to manually change the connections points? :)

[20:13:58]

justinh:

Arceus_: nope. the cards can switch between inputs

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justinh:

but if you're already using one tuner, to record one input you can't switch to another & record something different at the same time

[20:14:47]

hadees:

anyone know whats wrong with this udev rule for my ivtv cards? DRIVERS=="ivtv", KERNEL=="video[0–9]*", NAME="v4l/ivtv%n", SYMLINK+="ivtv%n", GROUP="video"

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Arceus_: What you'll have to do is setup a 'group' for the two devices that are on the first tuner, ie "Sat_Dig", and Sattelite would be on Tuner1 S-Video1, and Digital would be on Tuner1 S-Video2. They could not be used at the same time in Myth.

[20:15:38]

Arceus_:

justinh, okey i dont really need to record anything at all, but how do i connect device A and B to T1 then? with that adapter?

[20:15:57]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Arceus_: But the Ethernet box feeding S-Video1 on Tuner2 could be used simultaneously.

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justinh:

oh but you DO need to record. mythtv records everything :) And I mean everything

[20:16:22]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Arceus_: Yeah, what is your aim? Just to display the video on a computer monitor?

[20:16:24]

Arceus_:

justinh, Ah okey :)

[20:16:38]

justinh:

in mythtv, watching IS recording & watching

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justinh:

the whole concept of a pvr :)

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Arceus_:

J-e-f-f-A|work, On a TV screen with computer input

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Arceus_: yeah, Myth records to disk, then plays back from disk – always recorded, and a minimum 2 second delay.

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Arceus_:

J-e-f-f-A|work, Okey sounds good, is there any guide to setup that such group and easy switch between them?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Arceus_: <confused> It doesn't have S-Video inputs? Not sure what you're trying to accomplish – if you just want S-Video devices to display on a computer monitor, look for a Viewsonic N4 – great little scaler.

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d0netsFN:

anone have a g1?

[20:19:11]

d0netsFN:

theres this app called droid remote

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d0netsFN:

it turns the touch screen into a touch pad

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** J-e-f-f-A|work doesn't even have a GF... [wife instead, DOH!] **

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d0netsFN:

and lets you use the keyboard

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d0netsFN:

its extremely cool

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d0netsFN:

especially for media pc's and such

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Arceus_:

J-e-f-f-A|work, The idea is i wanna have it as a computer too, with my media in my house and also the boxes

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Dagmar:

I'm waiting for a coherent question.

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d0netsFN:

http://remotedroid.net/

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d0netsFN:

watch that video

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Arceus_:

J-e-f-f-A|work, So if a setup a group that you said it will work? where do i find that adapter?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Arceus_: Maybe I'm confused, but I still don't understand... If your aim is to use that TV with Computer input for both your computer and TV, why not just hook the devices directly to the TV? And if it doesn't have 3 S-Video inputs, just use a switchbox?

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Arceus_:

J-e-f-f-A|work, Then i need 4 remotes =( as i have right now

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anykey_:

Arceus_: use an all in one remote

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Tempest2k:

can anybody help with satalite chanel setup in myth i cant seem to scan for any satalite channels , do you need another program or summat it seems to find chanels with dvb-t but not dvb-s

[20:26:20]

Tempest2k:

?

[20:26:25]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Arceus_: If you're going to use MythTV, best to use it as designed – ie: 1 tuner for each input, and then you 'hide' the Set-Top tuners (and their remotes), and everything is controlled by MythTV.

[20:28:09]

Arceus_:

J-e-f-f-A|work, Okey i maybe messed up something but if i do that way i need 2 PVR 500 right? or 3 ordinary cards

[20:28:30]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Arceus_: No, one 500 and 1 150 would be fine.

[20:28:41]

Arceus_:

J-e-f-f-A|work, Yeah or that :)

[20:29:14]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Arceus_: and it's best to get out of the 'channel surfing' mindset. Channel changes will take from 2 to 5 or more seconds... especially with IR blasters...

[20:29:43]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Arceus_: So use Myth for what it's designed for — search for shows you like, then set them up to record, and you can watch them 'live' as they record, or whenever you want to.

[20:30:05]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Arceus_: and if you feel the need for "LiveTV", browse the guide, then switch to that channel....

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Arceus_: And don't even think of playing a video game system (X-box, PS3, etc) through MythTV – it will be next to impossible due to the delay of recoring to disk, then playing back from disk.

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Arceus_:

J-e-f-f-A|work, Thanks, I appreciate your help :)

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RyeBrye:

not impossible if you are good

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RyeBrye:

;)

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Arceus_:

Hehe

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RyeBrye:

you have to see the future and play in the future

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Tempest2k:

does anybody in here use myth tv for freesat in the UK ?

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Arceus_:

Anyone heard of wellton way?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Arceus_: NP by the way... [sorry at work as my nic suggests... busy right now... ;-) ]

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Arceus_:

J-e-f-f-A|work, :)

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thefRont:

a short question. as I'm installing a standalone frontend (besides a machine that has a frontend, master-backend and database), how do I set up access to the master backend for this frontend? are these information stored in the database?

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thefRont:

as I'm just looking in the backend setup of my main box the answer might be yes ;)

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mason:

anyone willing to help a linux noob get his hardware working? haupauge nova dvbs2

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** RyeBrye just saw #6063: HDhomerun Multirec support in his commits list and got all excited... only to read it and realize it was some douche making a feature request :( **

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

RyeBrye: Does the HDHR sream the whole signal, or parse out the stream you're recording before streaming it to Myth?

[20:49:30]

RyeBrye:

J-e-f-f-A|work: it can be asked to do either IIRC – but I believe now it's just being asked for the one... but I know it can be asked for the whole signal

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RyeBrye:

I had found the docs for it somewhere before, but lost them – but they have a few options and I remember seeing one of them was to get the whole mux

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

RyeBrye: ah, ok. ;-) I don't have much (if any) of a need for that feature now anyways, since there isn't much on the same mux to watch on ATSC... :-(

[20:50:55]

RyeBrye:

Yeah, Same here. I'd probably buy a second HDHR and use that one with multirec on the digital cable

[20:51:06]

RyeBrye:

but keep the ATSC as the higher priority

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

RyeBrye: Yeah, if digital cable were in-the-clear, it would be great to do that... ;-)

[20:51:43]

RyeBrye:

All the network channels are in the clear for me

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

RyeBrye: You're very lucky then!!!!

[20:52:05]

RyeBrye:

my TVs all have QAM tuners an I can get a fair number of clear channels, plus a shitload of un-named music channels

[20:52:33]

RyeBrye:

well... by fair number I mean about as many as I get OTA – but with a few different channels on the cable than I get OTA

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

The only HD tuners in my house are the ones in my Myth Backend... ;-)

[20:53:04]

RyeBrye:

FOX is weak for me right now (it's red on antennaweb) but after Feb it shoudl be a yellow station so I shouldn't have mild dropouts like I have now

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thefRont:

ok...myth frontend is now running inside my virtualbox. unfortunatly i'm stuck now. how can I watch the tv stream from my main box on my virtualbox mythfrontend now?

[20:53:24]

RyeBrye:

They are inconsistent when they happen, but it si quite a buzzkill

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wagnerrp:

anyone know how to reboot the HDHR remotely?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

wagnerrp: reboot it? I've only had mine for 3 or 4 months, but I've never had to 'reboot' it...

[20:54:46]

wagnerrp:

i want to change the IP, but i dont want to go into the basement

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

wagnerrp: You're afraid of the dark, eh?

[20:55:28]

wagnerrp:

more afraid of the stairs, two flights up, two flights back

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RyeBrye:

I've noticed that mine will disappear sometimes – not sure why.... but i have to hdhr_config IP address to find it – hdhr_config discover wont find it :/

[20:55:33]

wagnerrp:

err... down

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gbee:

that's where they keep it chained

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

wagnerrp: Just go over to the breaker panel, and throw the main breaker for like 10 seconds... ;-) Oh wait, that's probably in the basement too...

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RyeBrye:

Hmm.. a new firmware 20081231 for HDHR?

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wagnerrp:

RyeBrye: ive got mine at .1.50, with my mythbackend at .2.30

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wagnerrp:

i cannot 'discover' it, and mythtv connect to it at all

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wagnerrp:

theyre both on the same subnet, but im thinking they might actually have to be on the same /24

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

wagnerrp: going through a router?

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wagnerrp:

nope, no routers, same subnet

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

wagnerrp: so your network is 192.168.0.0/16 ?

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RyeBrye:

what does it use for discover? some multicast?

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wagnerrp:

no, /22

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wagnerrp:

.0.x through .3.x

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RyeBrye:

My birthday is in October... so my home network is on 10.14.xx :)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

wagnerrp: Well, theoretically it should work... but who knows... ;-)

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wagnerrp:

that date sucks, people born three days earlier are much better...

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RyeBrye:

:)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

wagnerrp: I've got a lot of equipment in my house, but no need to go beyond a /24 mask... ;-)

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thefRont:

J-e-f-f-A_: it is possible watching tv on a mythfrontend streaming the media from another pc running the backend and having the receiver installed, isn't it?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, it was just for naming convention

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wagnerrp:

network management is on .0, appliances/VMs/servers on .1, hardwired machines on .2, wireless on .3

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

thefRont: yes. I have 3 remote frontends currently, plus the backend that I occasionally use as a frontend too.

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RyeBrye:

wagnerrp: no dhcp?

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thefRont:

okay...then I'm stuck

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wagnerrp:

RyeBrye: dhcp and dns, yes

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thefRont:

my frontend is connected to the database and master-backend

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GreyFoxx:

one does not use DHCP for servers or your Internet license should be taken awawy

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RyeBrye:

http://www.silicondust.com/downloads/hdhomeru . . . re_changelog has "fixed DHCP on some routers" in a recent firmware upgrade

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thefRont:

but it won't let me watch tv

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GreyFoxx:

client PC's is another matter :)

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Tempest2k:

can anybody help with satalite chanel setup in myth i cant seem to scan for any satalite channels , do you need another program or summat it seems to find chanels with dvb-t but not dvb-s

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thefRont:

it just flashes if like there is no tuner installed and goes back to the menu

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RyeBrye:

wagnerrp: perhaps you can upgrade the firmware to it remotely and that woudl trigger it to reboot :) ?

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thefRont:

or am I missing an important mythtv module? I've just installed myth-frontend and myth-common (packages from ubuntu)

[21:04:45]

thefRont:

well, and all packages that depended on these two

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thefRont:

other way around... all packages that are needed by these two ;)

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RyeBrye:

wagnerrp: fwiw installing new firmware didn't seem to force it to reboot

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gbee:

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitaltv/a140500 . . . reeview.html

[21:07:33]

wagnerrp:

RyeBrye: actually, that was my reasoning for thinking there was a way to remotely reboot it

[21:07:45]

wagnerrp:

but... i just went down to the basement anyway

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iamlindoro____:

Interesting, no more DRM on iTunes

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wagnerrp:

no more fairplay?

[21:08:29]

iamlindoro____:

all songs DRM free by the end of the quarter

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wagnerrp:

what was dvdjon's stripping program called?

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wagnerrp:

fairkeys

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Tuxguy:

Anyone use winlirc + sound input receiver?

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wagnerrp:

nope, still unable to connect, either through the IP, MAC, the ID on the bottom of the box, or auto-discovery

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RyeBrye:

wagnerrp: you can't do hdhomerun_config <IP> get /sys/version ?

[21:15:43]

wagnerrp:

RyeBrye: i can do that just fine

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RyeBrye:

on mine I can't discover, but hdhomerun_config can find it if I tell it the specific IP

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RyeBrye:

oh, ok

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RyeBrye:

the discover can't find it?

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wagnerrp:

windows will auto-discover just fine

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wagnerrp:

but linux cannot

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wagnerrp:

linux also cannot use the device id, only the IP

[21:16:25]

wagnerrp:

and myth works not at all

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RyeBrye:

my myth didn't find it once, and I rebooted the backend and then it could find it

[21:17:10]

RyeBrye:

it was a rather crude fix for me but it prevented me fromg looking deeper to figure out what was wrong

[21:18:50]

wagnerrp:

to be honest, ive not yet gotten it working on trunk

[21:19:07]

wagnerrp:

worked fine on fixes, not on trunk

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RyeBrye:

interesting. On mine the linux box can see it but my mac can't see it – but I think the issue might be because my mac is connected wirelessly via a wds node... the wds link should be transparent to the network but perhaps it blocks the discover somehow

[21:20:07]

wagnerrp:

the backend is connected through switch, not 5' from the hdhr

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RyeBrye:

Strange.

[21:20:32]

RyeBrye:

does your backend have an extra NIC? :)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Humm... I haven't tried to discover it from my Trunk test box [yet]... didn't want to cause a conflict with the 'live' backend...

[21:20:55]

RyeBrye:

discover wont do anything

[21:21:03]

RyeBrye:

it's just if you tune channels and stuff

[21:21:18]

RyeBrye:

you can discover / probe / fondle / whatever from multiple machines

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wagnerrp:

yes, but its disabled in the bios

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Ooh, he said "fondle"... brings me back 20+ years...

[21:21:57]

wagnerrp:

back when you used to.... fondle computers?

[21:22:02]

RyeBrye:

if the HDHR is so close, you could try to just run it to that extra NIC (after re-enabling it) and bridging the two

[21:22:12]

RyeBrye:

it's obviosuly a ghetto fix to a probelm that shouldn't exist

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

RyeBrye: He siad it was in the basement... (or is the backend in the basement too? ;-) )

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wagnerrp:

both

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RyeBrye:

Just out of an academic curiosity... you couldn't get the HDHR to stream a raw signal from an encrypted digital cable and then use software to decrypt it, right? (obviously the act of doing this would be illegal – I'm just curious if you can even get the encrypted stream)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

^^ that's probably a great suggention then... And I'm not sure if UDP packets get discarded if the switch gets flooded, like a firewall will do, but that would definitely keep that from happening... ;-)

[21:25:30]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

(the suggestion for using a dedicated nic port...) ;-)

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wagnerrp:

its a gigabit card and a gigabit switch, i doubt it could be flooded by a 10/100 appliance

[21:26:28]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

wagnerrp: No, but perhaps by other equipment on the switch itself... Not very likely, but a possibility...

[21:26:47]

RyeBrye:

maybe it was running in promiscious mode and caught a VD ;)

[21:27:02]

wagnerrp:

there is currently negligible other traffic, maybe a few hundred kbps

[21:28:27]

wagnerrp:

the most i can see from forums is 'disable the firewall'

[21:28:38]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

wagnerrp: You don't happen to have your MTU size set higher, do you?

[21:28:50]

wagnerrp:

now it was a freebsd box on -fixes, and multiple gentoo boxes with trunk

[21:28:57]

wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A|work: no, no jumbo frames

[21:29:24]

wagnerrp:

so im thinking that there may be something screwy with the default gentoo setup

[21:29:37]

wagnerrp:

or perhaps there is something screwy with the network because of the manner im booting over iscsi

[21:29:49]

wagnerrp:

i should update my laptop and try it on there

[21:30:18]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

wagnerrp: Yeah, I'm basically out of ideas....

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gregL:

wagnerrp: is your network up fully before the hdhr looks for an ip ?

[21:30:56]

wagnerrp:

im starting the backend manually, not through an init script, so yes

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

gregL: And he can connect to it via hdhomerun_config and IP, but not via Myth... [yell if I'm quoting you wrong...]

[21:32:08]

wagnerrp:

nope, all good

[21:32:30]

wagnerrp:

ping works fine, hdhomerun_config works fine with the proper IP

[21:32:50]

wagnerrp:

i can access it just fine with windows and VLC

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

wagnerrp: Hummph... Mine was "Plug & Play"... I initially set it up with DHCP, then told my router to assign it a specific IP... works great... (on 0.21-fixes... Live Backend)

[21:34:00]

wagnerrp:

right, when i first set it up on -fixes, it was plug-and-play

[21:34:52]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

wagnerrp: Umm... You changed the IP address since then, right?

[21:35:26]

wagnerrp:

yeah, same issues afterwards

[21:35:43]

wagnerrp:

i still have -fixes installed on my laptop

[21:35:46]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

wagnerrp: But if you put it back at the original, working IP, it still doesn't work?

[21:35:48]

wagnerrp:

im going to fire that up and see what happens

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wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A|work: i would have to go back to the basement, but thats a fair assumption

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

wagnerrp: Well, my thinking is this — if you change it back, and it works again, than the IP affect's myth's configuration, and you probably have to delete the capture cards and re-add/re-discover them...

[21:37:32]

thefRont:

J-e-f-f-A_: am I missing something?

[21:38:15]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

thefRont: I dunno — what you referring to?

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thefRont:

my frontend is connected to the remote database and mythbackend but it won't play live-tv

[21:39:19]

wagnerrp:

yeah, my -fixes laptop (running gentoo as well) picks up the box and is scanning channels just fine

[21:39:29]

thefRont:

ah ok

[21:39:33]

thefRont:

hold on

[21:39:35]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

wagnerrp: Ok, so it's something isolated to your main backend...

[21:39:35]

wagnerrp:

so its with something to do with me booting over iscsi, or its -fixes vs. trunk

[21:39:54]

wagnerrp:

its isolated to multiple machines and multiple installs running diskless and trunk

[21:40:18]

wagnerrp:

im going to boot one of my backends back to the -fixes image, and see what happens

[21:40:58]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

wagnerrp: Oh, trunk? I thought I heard somebody else already chime in that they couldn't see their HDHR in trunk... [maybe I'm just losing it!]

[21:41:43]

iamlindoro____:

jpabq uses trunk, and an HDHomeRun.. AFAIK he's fine

[21:42:00]

gregL:

mine works fine also..

[21:42:50]

** J-e-f-f-A|work hasn't tried his yet with the trunk system... he will later tonight when he's home... [late] **

[21:43:27]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

... works fine with the HD-5500 though! ;-)

[21:45:34]

thefRont:

2009-01–06 22:45:27.193 RemoteEncoder::openControlSocket(): Connection timed out.

[21:45:34]

thefRont:

2009-01–06 22:45:27.196 GetEntryAt(-1) failed.

[21:45:35]

thefRont:

2009-01–06 22:45:27.199 EntryToProgram(0@Do Jan 1 01:00:00 1970) failed to get pginfo

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thefRont:

looks like this is the problem

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iamlindoro____:

frontend logs are meaningless for recording issues

[21:47:10]

iamlindoro____:

that log means nothing

[21:47:15]

iamlindoro____:

and use a pastebin

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro____: BTW: What do you have your tv playback profile set to? I set mine to VDPAU/VDPAU for experimenting...

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iamlindoro____:

J-e-f-f-A|work: I have Xvideo on ATM since I'm primarily focusing on my theme and not on trying to eke out video speed.... when I want to really watch I'll likely go back to playing with VDPAU

[21:49:30]

syamajala:

hi

[21:49:45]

syamajala:

i'm trying to setup mythtv on ubuntu with bttv

[21:52:08]

iamlindoro____:

nobody's perfect

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro____: that's cool. ;-) I take it there's still vdpau bugs being worked on, or they're in the driver, it seems to hang once in a while, where I have to bounce the frontend to get video playback to work again... I still have to try it with an H.264 or MPEG4 sample though... just ATSC MPEG2 so far...

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iamlindoro____:

J-e-f-f-A|work: Yes, a fair number in the driver and I don't care to restart X that often, and I need composite *and* vsync *and* the ability to alt-tab, which you can't have together ATM

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro____: understandable! ;-)

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syamajala:

i'm not sure if the bttv module is working though

[21:55:47]

syamajala:

i did modprobe bttv card=64 tuner=2

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syamajala:

because i have an ati tv wonder ve

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thefRont:

well

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thefRont:

call me dumb

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thefRont:

it works now

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syamajala:

but dmesg doesn't say it detected my card

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thefRont:

I had to set the ip of the backend (not master-backend) from 127.0.0.1 to the correct internal ip

[21:56:39]

syamajala:

it shows up in lspci though

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iamlindoro____:

syamajala: You should follow up in #v4l until your card is working in linux

[21:57:17]

wagnerrp_:

thefRont: yeah, that will happen

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iamlindoro____:

we don't troubleshoot card setup

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syamajala:

ah ok

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wagnerrp:

my whole network just went tits up

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wagnerrp:

network switches went bad or something

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thefRont:

so...the next problem is....speed

[21:58:11]

wagnerrp:

i knew buying cheap netgear equipment was going to come back to bite me

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

wagnerrp: yeah, I have seen switches go bad, not that often, but they do from time-to-time...

[21:58:36]

thefRont:

about 0.5fps is a bit slooooow ;)

[21:58:50]

wagnerrp:

the netgear switches at work (24-port gigabit) go bad from time to time

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

wagnerrp: sometimes they're just confused – and a power-cycle cleans them up for a while...

[21:59:02]

thefRont:

wagnerrp: which netgear thing do you have?

[21:59:14]

wagnerrp:

i personally have a pair of 8-ports

[21:59:35]

wagnerrp:

but at work, its like its contagious

[21:59:43]

wagnerrp:

one goes down, and then they all follow

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wagnerrp:

all 30 or so

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

wagnerrp: so far I've had really good luck with the el-cheapo TrendNet Gigabit router and 8-port Gigabit switch I have...

[22:00:44]

wagnerrp:

thirty 24-port switches, all blinking in unison

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wagnerrp:

its rather creepy

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wagnerrp:

if you cycle some without rebooting the others, its like it spreads back across the network

[22:01:30]

wagnerrp:

the funky ones refunkify the newly power cycled ones

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

wagnerrp: It's a netgear virus...

[22:01:53]

wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A|work: seriously, it behaves like one

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thefRont:

ooookay

[22:02:52]

thefRont:

I think I can forget using mythfrontend inside virtualbox

[22:02:58]

iamlindoro____:

duh

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

thefRont: What did you get, like 5 frames per second?

[22:03:27]

thefRont:

except I find a way that the backend will record and stream live-tv

[22:04:06]

thefRont:

it looks like live-tv is streamed to the frontend, then the frontend records this stream and plays it

[22:04:43]

thefRont:

and yes, I get about 0.5fps at the moment

[22:05:04]

thefRont:

might be because I'm using a bigger resolution right now than recommended

[22:05:10]

iamlindoro____:

no, livetv and all other things are recorded on the backend

[22:05:25]

iamlindoro____:

frontend does no recording whatsoever

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thefRont:

then I'm wondering why my virtual disc is full

[22:05:57]

iamlindoro____:

no idea, but the frontend doesn't record *anything*

[22:06:35]

thefRont:

ok... apt cache is one reason

[22:06:45]

thefRont:

;)

[22:08:57]

thefRont:

ok...problem fixed...but now with the speed

[22:09:02]

thefRont:

it's somewhat slow

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

thefRont: Umm... right – would you expect DVD playback to be fast on it too?

[22:10:55]

thefRont:

hmmmm....probably not ;)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

thefRont: It's not quite as bad as a VLC session, but it's darn close...

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wagnerrp:

yeah, its a trunk issue

[22:14:42]

wagnerrp:

i booted the same machine into a different image running -fixes

[22:14:48]

wagnerrp:

it connects to the hdhr just fine

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thefRont:

ok, i got it a bit faster I think

[22:20:02]

iamlindoro____:

You will never get Video watchable in mythtv in virtualbox

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thefRont:

never say never ;)

[22:20:18]

iamlindoro____:

It's just not fast enough, and not at all meant to be used that way

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wagnerrp:

yes, never

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wagnerrp:

youre decoding, rescaling, and displaying, all on an emulated processor

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kormoc:

works fine on my 512 core core 27 128 ghz box

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thefRont:

hrhr

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kslater1:

argh. in my crash recovered main machine my mythtv user doesn't seem to have rights to the sound device

[22:23:08]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: is that they one that magically parallelizes serial code to run multicore?

[22:23:40]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, aye, MOOOP, Magic Out Of Order Processing

[22:23:58]

iamlindoro____:

MOOOPs he did it again

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kslater1:

MOOPS was an answer to a Trivial Pursuit question on Seinfeld

[22:24:39]

wagnerrp:

moops?

[22:24:48]

kslater1:

it was a misprint

[22:24:49]

wagnerrp:

cant say i recall that episode

[22:25:00]

kslater1:

George was playing Triv Pursuit with the bubble boy

[22:25:14]

kslater1:

the answer on the card was supposed to be The Moors

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shadash:

Mulva?

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wagnerrp:

ah, then they fought, and the bubble boy got popped

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thefRont:

well

[22:26:32]

wagnerrp:

i vaguely remember that

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kslater1:

right

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thefRont:

I think I'll switch back to MythTvPlayer then

[22:26:49]

kormoc:

MythTVPlayer?

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thefRont:

but unfortunatly it doesn't play all tv stations yet

[22:26:53]

** kormoc raises an eyebrow **

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thefRont:

http://www.sudu.dk/mythtvplayer/

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: windows frontend

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iamlindoro____:

I wouldn't expect ever to see any more versions of that little gem

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thefRont:

current testing build supports live-tv

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iamlindoro____:

trying to use myth with windows is worse than trying to use it in Virtualbox

[22:27:32]

thefRont:

but it's still experimental

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kormoc:

and well over a year old

[22:27:52]

thefRont:

iamlindoro_: hehe

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kslater1:

just use mythweb and streaming with vlc

[22:28:15]

thefRont:

well...the current problem is...my parents occupy the tv most of the time

[22:28:33]

thefRont:

so I can't use my little baby on the tv

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thefRont:

kslater1: haven't got streaming of live-tv to work over mythweb yet

[22:29:22]

kormoc:

there is no streaming of live-tv over mythweb

[22:29:31]

kormoc:

but there's no point in live-tv imho anyway

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thefRont:

why?

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kormoc:

you know all of what's on, pick one and record and watch away

[22:30:10]

kormoc:

why channel surf?

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thefRont:

i like channel surfing ;)

[22:30:37]

thefRont:

when I watch tv

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thefRont:

doesn't happen very often

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kormoc:

meh, I see no point in it

[22:31:15]

wagnerrp:

yeah, definitely a problem with trunk

[22:31:32]

wagnerrp:

i boot into -fixes, the hdhr runs fine. i boot into trunk, it doesnt

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wagnerrp:

(probably) nothing to do my system

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wagnerrp:

time to scour the mailing list... again

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justinh:

scour/cleanse

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kslater:

so I had a drive crash in my main system. I'm back up and running on a new hard disk after copying things across but I just found out that mythtv user doesn't have access to the sound card. (I didn't copy /dev – doh) How are those permissions set? Is there an alsa script that I could re-run maybe?

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justinh:

checked that the device nodes are owned by the 'audio' group and that your user is a member?

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kslater:

device nodes as in say /dev/dsp?

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wagnerrp:

usually one does not copy /dev, or change permissions in /dev for that matter

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wagnerrp:

all of that stuff should be handled by udev rules

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kslater:

right, which is why I skipped it

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iamlindoro____:

copying dev would be an excercise in uselessness

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kslater:

udev rules

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iamlindoro____:

exercise that is

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kslater:

hmm

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jduggan:

udev doesnt rule

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jduggan:

it drools

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kslater:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

no, you drool!

[22:51:50]

Dagmar:

Simply put: If you have no /dev/audio/* make sure the drivers for your sound card are actually loading. That directory is populated by udev when/if a driver purporting to belong to a sound card manages to initialize properly.

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kslater:

if I run say vlc as root, I get sound just fine

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Dagmar:

If your distribution is still utilizing a static udev, you suck.

[22:52:29]

kslater:

as mythtv, no access to sound

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kslater:

this is a FC 8 machine

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Dagmar:

So add your mythtv user account to the group that has permissions to write to the sound card.

[22:53:10]

Dagmar:

...which is *probably* called 'audio' or 'sound'.

[22:53:21]

Dagmar:

Otherwise, it's a FC 8 problme.

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iamlindoro____:

kslater: What is it that leads you to believe your myth user can't access the sound devices?

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Dagmar:

Doing an `ls -g /dev/audio` should show you what group owns /dev/audio

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** iamlindoro____ thinks it's as simple as "mixer/sound device set wrong in frontend" **

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Dagmar:

If you are attempting to tell MythTV to use /dev/*ANYTHING* for sound, you are not using ALSA and are likely doing it wrong.

[22:55:14]

kslater:

I see a message to that effect when I run the frontend from an xterm

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Dagmar:

The wiki shows what strings should actually be put in there to route the sound through ALSA and not the deprecated OSS drivers.

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iamlindoro____:

to *what* effect?

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kslater:

frontend has it set to ALSA:default

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Dagmar:

That would be the right thing to have it set to most of the time

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kslater:

ALSA : default

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kslater:

lemme pastebin a few lines

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iamlindoro____:

If the same use gets audio with VLC and not with Myth, there is almost nothing it could be besides misconfiguration in the frontend

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iamlindoro____:

er same user

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kslater:

root can use sound via vlc

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kslater:

mythtv user no sound via vlc

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kslater:

I would guess that if I ran the FE as root, it would get the sound card just fine

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iamlindoro____:

possible you just need to set up the alsa default device again for that user then

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kslater:

that's what I'm thinking

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iamlindoro____:

There's a simple terminal command for it, but no time to google it right now

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kslater:

no problem, thanks for the pointer

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syamajala:

i think bttv is working now

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syamajala:

there was something wrong with my card... taking it out and putting it back in got it working

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syamajala:

gonna test it out with tvtime right now to make sure

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Shadow____X:

hey janneg hows the 1800 going

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Shadow____X:

hey how do i change a live tv recording to a regular recorded show

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Shadow____X:

and can that only be done on a frontend not via mythweb

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Anduin:

Shadow____X: you change the group it is in

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thefRont:

I think that can be done by clicking on the clock disabling automatic removal

[23:49:08]

thefRont:

but I'm not sure

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thefRont:

but afaik you can't change the recording group

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thefRont:

Anduin: you can change the group via mythweb?

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Anduin:

thefRont: I have no idea, probably?

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iamlindoro____:

Click the thumb, expand advanced options, change playback group

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iamlindoro____:

done

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kormoc:

ugh... it's like a war of who can have the most _'s on their name...

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iamlindoro____:

kormoc: :( Sorry, I stupidly left myself logged in at work and I'm off-site at a training

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Shadow____X:

i cant expand advanced options

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kormoc:

Shadow____X, enable javascript

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Shadow____X:

i can reduce mine kormoc if that would please you

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gbee:

I was going to joke earlier that 6 months from now it will be iamlindro_______________________________________________________________________ ________

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Shadow____X:

it is enabled kormoc

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iamlindoro____:

gbee: lol

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gbee:

makes autocomplete difficult :/

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iamlindoro____:

I pay enough attention that any will do

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thefRont:

another question would be...where do I define a recording group ;)

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kormoc:

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