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| [00:00:23] | gbee: | click twice on the object (not double click), the arrows around the edge will change |
| [00:00:26] | iamlindoro_: | How 'bout that |
| [00:00:44] | iamlindoro_: | Yeah, never bothered to click the middle arros on the second click |
| [00:01:46] | gbee: | shift/ctrl are modifiers – you've probably noticed the help text in the status bar by now |
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| [00:10:09] | iamlindoro_: | Hmm, gbee/anduin, do you think the folder art probably ought to be linked to the "coverimage" tag? |
| [00:12:42] | Anduin: | iamlindoro_: I don't get it |
| [00:13:49] | gbee: | IMHO yes, since they are mutually exclusive and although mythui is all about making lots of options available, it's also about keeping themeing as easy as possible too |
| [00:14:03] | iamlindoro_: | Anduin, a folder with the folder.jpg shows a ? image in the coverimage slot |
| [00:14:15] | iamlindoro_: | so you see it in the buttonlist but not in the nice big view |
| [00:14:35] | gbee: | ahh, misunderstood the question |
| [00:14:41] | gbee: | ignore me then |
| [00:15:01] | gbee: | thought you meant the in-list stuff |
| [00:18:08] | thefRont is now known as thefront | |
| [00:18:51] | Anduin: | iamlindoro_: you can open a ticket and I guess I'll fix it |
| [00:20:23] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/foldercoverart.png just as an example |
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| [00:21:33] | Anduin: | Yeah, I understood, took a second, there is no metadata for folder nodes so they get default values set |
| [00:25:59] | gbee: | iamlindoro: is there a source for poster aspect images for TV series? |
| [00:26:42] | justinh: | thetvdb.com ? |
| [00:27:09] | gbee: | I suppose it can be easily masked to the same aspect, but it would be nice to have images of the same aspect available for mixed collections |
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| [00:27:48] | gbee: | and something that doesn't require people to pick and chose their theme based on the content of their video library |
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| [00:28:47] | gbee: | justinh: looks like they do serve poster sized images, so that's nice |
| [00:28:51] | justinh: | MOARVIEWZ! |
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| [00:29:24] | iamlindoro_: | gbee, I usually just google "seriesname poster" |
| [00:29:29] | justinh: | 680x1000px posters. wowser |
| [00:29:33] | iamlindoro_: | but cool if ttvdb has it |
| [00:29:53] | gbee: | coverimage should probably become posterimage, then additionally we should have "bannerimage" and "backdropimage" |
| [00:30:20] | gbee: | justinh: tmdb has posters 1000x1500px |
| [00:30:22] | iamlindoro_: | yeah, that would work, could just overlay the posterimage in the same spot then |
| [00:30:56] | justinh: | hrm. and actor images! |
| [00:31:22] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: if tvdb reliably carry poster sized images, then that works better for us, users don't have to go hunting for the images |
| [00:31:33] | iamlindoro_: | yeah, that's neat |
| [00:32:20] | iamlindoro_: | a lot of convergence of people's work these days, between Greyfoxx's tvdb stuff, the MythUI stuff, etc. etc... MythVideo (among others) is going to support so much more "associated data" in .22 |
| [00:32:35] | gbee: | either the menu options change to "search for film" and "search for tv", or we search both and present the user with a choice (which is neater) |
| [00:33:55] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: it's always been about the metadata, or we'd all be using file browsers with hooks into lirc |
| [00:33:59] | gbee: | justinh: not sure if that was serious btw, but tmdb offer actor images through their api too, mostly headshots |
| [00:34:02] | Anduin: | search selection will go in, along with the auto discovery of scripts |
| [00:34:12] | iamlindoro_: | justdave, Yeah, just noting what a huge jump there shall be in .22 |
| [00:34:15] | justinh: | gbee: oh it was serious alright |
| [00:34:16] | iamlindoro_: | er justinh ^^ |
| [00:34:31] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: well now there's a lot more info available :) |
| [00:35:06] | gbee: | justinh: so instead of a plain text cast list, it could in theory be a small wall of cast photos below the plot or something |
| [00:35:08] | justinh: | oh gawd imagine being able to set a recording rule by cast member, only you don't know the person's name, only what they look like! |
| [00:35:45] | ** justinh wonders if there'll ever be a mysql lookey likey query... ** | |
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| [00:35:51] | iamlindoro_: | Now if only there was enough adult programming to account for that scenario |
| [00:37:49] | kormoc: | Make sure to specify a gender if you're gonna specify cup size! |
| [00:38:00] | jduggan: | in edit keys under tv playback, what's the name of the action which gives me the menu that has guide/timestretch/aspect ratio etc? I cant find anything for this? |
| [00:38:08] | justinh: | I heard this class joke on the radio tonight. a married couple have a code word for sex... "washing machine". One night the guy says to the wife "washing machine" and his wife says "no, not now I have a headache". A few minutes later she feels guilty & says to her husband "washing machine". He turns to her & says "bah it was only a small load so I did it by hand" |
| [00:38:11] | gbee: | Anduin: wanted to add a statetype for rating, abstract the ratings we get from imdb etc into a fixed size enum of ratings mapped to states – not 100% accurate but a user can drop in UK/French/Indian ratings images in place of text |
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| [00:39:05] | gbee: | even better would be to fetch the rating based on the users |
| [00:39:08] | gbee: | locale |
| [00:39:27] | gbee: | French ratings for someone in France |
| [00:40:06] | gbee: | not suggesting you do the work, just mentioning it while it was on my mind |
| [00:40:09] | Anduin: | gbee: Yeah, if it is going to be done I think it should be done in the grabbers |
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| [00:40:30] | gbee: | aye |
| [00:41:29] | Anduin: | gbee: I'm going to entirely change the way grabbers return results/are queried so then will be a good time for things like that. |
| [00:42:05] | gbee: | tmdb don't do ratings just now,but it's on the way apparently and I'll make the suggestion that they support multiple ratings mapped to ISO country codes |
| [00:43:02] | Anduin: | Yeah, it will help the automatic parental level thing which sucks a little currently as well |
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| [00:44:45] | gbee: | we can also think about retrieving alternate language versions that way, tmdb/omdb both carry titles/plots in other languages, the API doesn't allow for picking anything but English however I expect that to change eventually |
| [00:45:52] | iamlindoro_: | thetvdb's has a pretty nice way to access foreign language content too |
| [00:45:55] | gbee: | and the batteries in my wireless keyboard are running out, with no spares available :/ |
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| [00:48:25] | jduggan: | whats's the difference between 'Record new episodes only' and 'Record new episodes first showings' ? |
| [00:49:56] | jduggan: | is it like a `repeat` of a new episode? |
| [00:50:26] | gbee: | shame that thetvdb's fanart are not full HD |
| [00:51:24] | gbee: | ok, seems some is, mix of 1280x720 and 1920x1080 |
| [00:51:29] | iamlindoro_: | gbee, much of it is |
| [00:51:30] | Anduin: | jduggan: a new episode is one MythTV hasn't recorded before, the first showing is a new episode of a show |
| [00:51:45] | iamlindoro_: | gbee, Even the 720 stuff is pretty respectable looking at 1080 |
| [00:51:48] | justinh: | gbee: yar but will anybody notice? |
| [00:52:01] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: just picked a bad example I guess, all of it was 720 :) |
| [00:52:17] | javatexan: | I know the copy protection signal can be ignored...ie some of the haupp and other cards do this....can it be filtered on the "thicknet" cable? |
| [00:52:24] | iamlindoro_: | Look at the pushing daisies and chuck fanart |
| [00:52:28] | iamlindoro_: | it's top notch |
| [00:52:33] | justinh: | I've seen it said here by somebody whose opinion I value very highly that 1080p is barely worth the effort unless you really have a very big screen |
| [00:52:34] | gbee: | justinh: possibly not, but going forward I expect to start seeing people designing themes around 1080 instead of 720 |
| [00:52:53] | iamlindoro_: | <-- has a very big screen |
| [00:53:03] | gbee: | so it would be nice if the source images were the right res |
| [00:53:05] | justinh: | gbee: no skin off my nose |
| [00:53:19] | justinh: | 1080/720.. big deal :) |
| [00:53:19] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.thetvdb.com/banners/fanart/original/80351-11.jpg |
| [00:53:42] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.thetvdb.com/banners/fanart/original/80348-14.jpg |
| [00:53:43] | iamlindoro_: | so |
| [00:53:44] | iamlindoro_: | hot |
| [00:53:53] | kormoc: | javatexan, We don't talk about circumventing copy protection of any kind in here. |
| [00:54:14] | javatexan: | okay...np.... |
| [00:54:39] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: 404 |
| [00:54:57] | iamlindoro_: | heng??? |
| [00:55:00] | iamlindoro_: | work here |
| [00:55:08] | kormoc: | works as well |
| [00:55:22] | justinh: | weird. I went through the log |
| [00:55:48] | iamlindoro_: | Second time someone has mentioned the log links being broken in a few days |
| [00:56:02] | javatexan: | works for me too |
| [00:56:19] | justinh: | thing is, they're the same textually |
| [00:56:27] | iamlindoro_: | doesn't like referrers maybe? |
| [00:56:39] | justinh: | maybe not |
| [00:56:43] | kormoc: | oh yum, http://thetvdb.com/banners/fanart/original/78874-6.jpg |
| [00:56:55] | iamlindoro_: | Holy zombie jesus |
| [00:57:08] | iamlindoro_: | just...sit back... a little...further... |
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| [00:59:26] | gbee: | shame she looks pissed off about something |
| [00:59:39] | kormoc: | they all look pissed off in that pic |
| [00:59:52] | iamlindoro_: | I'm fine, I like 'em angry |
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| [01:01:17] | iamlindoro_: | gbee, I can't bring myself to replace your little "jewel" parental level icons, I like them too much. a Nice little touch of color too |
| [01:01:40] | gbee: | your choice :) |
| [01:02:40] | justinh: | I'll mostly be going with BBFC style icons :) |
| [01:03:28] | iamlindoro_: | Our MPAA equivalent are little monochrome pieces of crap, so anything is a step up |
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| [01:05:57] | fuxxy: | I'm runninng mythfrontend on top of fluxbox. Is there any way to make myth on top of the taskbar? |
| [01:06:15] | jduggan: | do the radiotimes feeds include subscriptions? After talking about using timeshifted channels to avoid conflicts, ive tested setting recordings of Eastenders using any channel, using 'record new episodes only' and match duplicates on subtitle and description.... it doesnt match the duplicates on bbc1/bbc3.. if i change it to just match on description it records on bbc3 and avoids bbc1 to get the 'later showing' |
| [01:06:21] | jduggan: | erm |
| [01:06:24] | jduggan: | s/subscriptions/subtitles/ |
| [01:07:01] | justinh: | jduggan: rt are fast & loose with variances I'm afraid |
| [01:07:13] | justinh: | I had to make custom rules for my wife's soaps |
| [01:07:15] | gbee: | not my experience, but there you go |
| [01:07:30] | gbee: | maybe with soaps, since I don't watch/record any |
| [01:07:32] | jduggan: | ok, i compared the descriptions.. they were identical, hence why im asking about subtitles |
| [01:07:41] | justinh: | bet you don't record Emmerdale, Coronation St or Eastenders though gbee ;) |
| [01:07:45] | jduggan: | hehe |
| [01:07:55] | gbee: | jduggan: they include subtitles, but it would be pretty obvious if they were included |
| [01:08:14] | gbee: | for individial episodes |
| [01:09:02] | gbee: | subtitle is normally displayed below the title or at the start of the subtitle in most themes, when in the guide etc |
| [01:09:10] | jduggan: | Hollyoaks is almost impossible to conflict, even with one tuner... channel4 and channel4+1... plus e4 shows the day before, before channel4 aires, then you have e4+1.. then later that evening you have e4 show tomorrows episode plus e4+1 of tomorrow |
| [01:09:11] | iamlindoro_: | gbee, are you planning on making the userratingstate statetype usable in the PBB? |
| [01:09:23] | iamlindoro_: | (although there I guess it would be somewhat misnamed) |
| [01:09:39] | iamlindoro_: | but a non-text ratingstate |
| [01:09:53] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: for ratings from guide state? I can easily add that, sure |
| [01:10:25] | iamlindoro_: | gbee, yeah, would be neat, as my music/mythvideo screens are shaping up to accentuate the rating, would be nice to use a similar/same layout in the PBB |
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| [01:10:28] | gbee: | it's not there now, but then a lot of things I'd like to see available aren't at the moment, seemed more important to convert it first |
| [01:10:35] | iamlindoro_: | sure |
| [01:10:47] | iamlindoro_: | I seem to always be unhelpfully bugging you about such things :) |
| [01:10:59] | gbee: | in the UK ratings are only available for films and even then, only when using xmltv |
| [01:11:34] | iamlindoro_: | Yeah, films here too |
| [01:12:06] | iamlindoro_: | although if our integration with thetvdb becomes tighter, should be easy to add it on a per-show basis from them |
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| [01:12:34] | gbee: | actually I might have that wrong, I seem to remember seeing ratings on other things, maybe pilot episodes of a new series and that sort of thing |
| [01:12:53] | gbee: | but it's mostly films |
| [01:13:24] | gbee: | if you've got other ideas btw, I'm happy to hear them |
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| [01:14:06] | gbee: | better still write them down somewhere, my user-talk page on the wiki maybe so I don't forget |
| [01:14:57] | iamlindoro_: | Smacks of feature request without patch to me ;) |
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| [01:15:37] | gbee: | and if anyone wants to document on the wiki the theming of a particular screen, list of widget names and what they display, please be my guest |
| [01:16:39] | jomanc: | hi, im trying to set up mythtv backend, and im on the input connections screen, trying to get mythtv to scan the atsc channels, but it only seems to get the ntsc channels, i know atsc works cuz i used azap to watch some tv for about an hour |
| [01:17:22] | jomanc: | most of the things i find when i google say to make mythtv scan for 8vsb, but i dont see an option for that |
| [01:17:24] | gbee: | doesn't have to be complete at first, but I'm thinking simple stuff, subheading 'window name', brief description, list of elements with short detail "coverimage" – Displays the poster image |
| [01:18:09] | justinh: | jomanc: you set the tuner card to the wrong type in mythtv-setup, or rather – you didn't set it to the correct type & left it as the default |
| [01:19:33] | jomanc: | justinh: okay, ill go to the Capture Card page and try again, seems you are right on |
| [01:20:53] | gbee: | the NTSC channels will be on the analogue input of the card (seen to linux as a separate card), you need to configure mythtv to use the digital input (DVB/ATSC in the card types) |
| [01:21:19] | iamlindoro_: | Wonder if it's time for a Patchypatch for that card name or if I'd just get crucified for it again |
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| [01:28:38] | jomanc: | think i got it, thanks gbee and justinh, cant believe i missed that |
| [01:29:17] | justinh: | bedtime. g'night all |
| [01:32:50] | gbee: | iamlindoro: you weren't crucified, it might just feel something like that :) That patch was correct and I still stand by the decision to rename it |
| [01:33:13] | iamlindoro_: | I'm being overdramatic :) |
| [01:33:32] | gbee: | I don't even think that janne's objections were to the patch itself, but instead that he's rather fix the underlying problem of certain cards being unsupported |
| [01:33:32] | iamlindoro_: | But acknowledge that making all those cards work instead is far preferable :) |
| [01:33:42] | iamlindoro_: | just so |
| [01:34:16] | gbee: | of course, but it's easy for Janne to say that, he's done v4l driver work :) |
| [01:34:45] | gbee: | it's entirely reasonable to make things clearer in the text in the meantime |
| [01:36:11] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/theme-PBB-round2.png |
| [01:36:18] | gbee: | because I don't expect those drivers to appear overnight and even if they did, they'd not make it into a mainline kernel and then into a major distro release within for another 5/6 months |
| [01:36:18] | iamlindoro_: | Mmm, this is gonna be the one that sticks |
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| [01:36:39] | gbee: | ugh, need sleep |
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| [01:39:12] | jduggan: | i just experienced exactly what justinh mentioned regarding rt |
| [01:39:47] | jduggan: | c4 had a really brief description, the same show on e4 has extensive descriptions |
| [01:41:48] | gbee: | report it to them, it means their internal db didn't match up the episode with the detailed description they had on file |
| [01:42:17] | gbee: | when I've reported stuff in the past they've been extremely friendly and grateful |
| [01:43:14] | fuxxy: | Whenever my tube-tv displays white text, the text "'pulses" fast.. It's like the gamma is blown way out on white, but everything else is fine.. |
| [01:43:39] | fuxxy: | anyone know what could be the culprit? |
| [01:43:40] | gbee: | seems that occassionally one of their servers falls over, jobs don't get completed and the lack of a detailed description for certain showings of the same ep is a result of that |
| [01:44:09] | gbee: | difference between the broadcaster supplied description and the RT archive of in-house reviewer descriptions |
| [01:44:30] | jduggan: | do you use eit with dvb-s? |
| [01:44:47] | jduggan: | think i'll get myself a dish this week for my nova-s card |
| [01:44:49] | gbee: | jduggan: for some channels, xmltv for others |
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| [01:45:29] | jduggan: | why both? because some channels have poor eit? |
| [01:46:14] | gbee: | basically on the channels which matter most to me and where they are likely to carry films I'd want to watch, I want the better quality RadioTimes data, descriptions (reviews) and rating information |
| [01:47:06] | gbee: | EIT is fine for the rest and saves placing unnecessary load on either RT or my backend |
| [01:47:46] | gbee: | since downloading and parsing xmltv guide data can be quite a slow/heavy task |
| [01:48:05] | jduggan: | yea |
| [01:50:01] | gbee: | not everyone agrees with me on this, but I like the long description and reviews in RT guide data, it usually factors into whether I bother to record or watch a film |
| [01:52:04] | gbee: | sometimes I'll watch a film despite the review, sometimes I even disagree pretty strongly with the review, but all the same it factors into the decision process and mostly if a film is described as a turkey, then that's exactly what it turns out to be :) |
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| [01:54:10] | fuxxy: | This is the first time setting up a remote frontend. None of my recordings seem to be accessable – "File not found". Do I need to mount the recordings directory on the frontend to have access to those? |
| [01:54:12] | TROLLZILLA-: | mythbuntu ftw :P |
| [01:54:45] | TROLLZILLA-: | fuxxy: comeon.. you just answered your own question |
| [01:54:46] | TROLLZILLA-: | heh |
| [01:55:05] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/theme-PBB-round2.png |
| [01:55:10] | fuxxy: | TROLLZILLA-, I just assumed it would stream the recordings, like it streams live tv |
| [01:55:32] | TROLLZILLA-: | fuxxy: it should |
| [01:55:35] | iamlindoro_: | fuxxy, you do not need to mount recordings |
| [01:55:38] | TROLLZILLA-: | if your settings are correct |
| [01:55:40] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: it's deja-vu all over again |
| [01:55:45] | TROLLZILLA-: | iamlind: that's what i just told him |
| [01:55:48] | iamlindoro_: | gbee, hm? |
| [01:55:56] | TROLLZILLA-: | he answered his own question |
| [01:55:58] | fuxxy: | iamlindoro, that looks nice |
| [01:55:59] | iamlindoro_: | gbee, new revision |
| [01:56:03] | TROLLZILLA-: | of course he has to mount the drive |
| [01:56:17] | iamlindoro_: | TROLLZILLA-, he does not have to mount the drive on the frontend |
| [01:56:20] | gbee: | ahh, same filename, had to force a refresh |
| [01:56:21] | iamlindoro_: | which is what he asked |
| [01:56:34] | ** TROLLZILLA- is sooooo stoked, he got his hd audio working :P ** | |
| [01:56:37] | TROLLZILLA-: | in myth |
| [01:56:55] | gbee: | iamlindoro: mockup or real? |
| [01:57:03] | iamlindoro_: | gbee, mockup on its way to being real |
| [01:57:12] | TROLLZILLA-: | iamlindoro: if it's not mounted in linux, it's not in the frontend |
| [01:57:13] | TROLLZILLA-: | well |
| [01:57:16] | gbee: | cool, just curious |
| [01:57:23] | jduggan: | nice |
| [01:57:25] | TROLLZILLA-: | you all got different setups |
| [01:57:28] | iamlindoro_: | TROLLZILLA-, He asked if it needed to be mounted *on the frontend*. It does not. |
| [01:57:30] | TROLLZILLA-: | i'm using mythbuntu |
| [01:57:36] | TROLLZILLA-: | ohhh |
| [01:57:41] | TROLLZILLA-: | sorry iamlind |
| [01:57:46] | TROLLZILLA-: | you are right then :P |
| [01:58:06] | iamlindoro_: | gbee, Should have it working shortly, though, have all the font definitions done in the other screens so just need to get the positioning |
| [01:58:08] | TROLLZILLA-: | a mount is a mount |
| [01:58:10] | TROLLZILLA-: | :P |
| [01:58:39] | TROLLZILLA-: | the mythbuntu project is really looking good |
| [01:58:41] | jduggan: | gbee: did you know in metallurgy, some of the menus are missing the time/date, some just date? (at the top) |
| [01:58:43] | gbee: | well I look forward to seeing more in the coming days :) Off to bed now though |
| [01:58:57] | TROLLZILLA-: | i can't believe the differences between v8.04 and v8.10 |
| [01:58:58] | gbee: | jduggan: yes, limitation of the old UI |
| [01:59:03] | TROLLZILLA-: | seriously |
| [01:59:04] | iamlindoro_: | gbee, night, thanks for all the help |
| [01:59:10] | jduggan: | gbee: ok, just checking i didnt have a wack mix of versions |
| [01:59:13] | jduggan: | :) |
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| [01:59:23] | jduggan: | night |
| [01:59:25] | TROLLZILLA-: | mythdora5 has NOTHING on the new mythbuntu |
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| [01:59:29] | TROLLZILLA-: | :P |
| [01:59:57] | fuxxy: | iamlindoro, that screenshot is awesome. is that simply a static background, or does it change depending on what recording you've currently got selected? |
| [02:00:05] | d0nets: | ok |
| [02:00:09] | d0nets: | i got my blaster working with my STB |
| [02:00:15] | d0nets: | now how do i get my guide working |
| [02:00:17] | gbee: | jduggan: I designed the theme with some expectation that mythui would support the clock on every screen (well I wrote the widget after all) but the old UI didn't support that hence the clock is missing on many screens in 0.21 |
| [02:00:18] | iamlindoro_: | fuxxy, ATM it's a static background, but when the functionality gets there it will change |
| [02:00:25] | d0nets: | directtv guide in mythtv |
| [02:00:33] | ** TROLLZILLA- is just stoked his spdif hd audio is working right :P ** | |
| [02:00:48] | iamlindoro_: | d0nets, You cannot use the guide from your box in myth, you need to use Schedules Direct |
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| [02:01:04] | TROLLZILLA-: | sd ftw |
| [02:01:04] | d0nets: | lemme re register with them |
| [02:01:07] | d0nets: | one sec |
| [02:01:12] | d0nets: | i couldnt get it working last time i tried |
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| [02:01:35] | TROLLZILLA-: | i need a subwoofer for my getup |
| [02:01:47] | asmussen: | Are there still issues with playing back 1080i hd-pvr recordings? |
| [02:01:50] | TROLLZILLA-: | i redid my whole setup... built a new computer for myth |
| [02:02:00] | TROLLZILLA-: | got a new tuner and speakers |
| [02:02:05] | TROLLZILLA-: | it's working well |
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| [02:03:39] | fuxxy: | I selected the option "Always stream recordings from the backend" in Setup> TV settings > Playback, but it's still saying "File not found" |
| [02:03:54] | fuxxy: | I verified the recording is in the recordings directory, am I missing something? |
| [02:04:31] | d0nets: | so there is no way to stream the live tv over the intarweb? |
| [02:05:54] | clever: | ive run mythfrontend in 1 city, with mysql and mythbacked in a totaly diff country |
| [02:06:22] | clever: | but the bandwidth was ~1/6th of my recording bitrate, so i had to move whole recordings over ahead of time |
| [02:06:40] | d0nets: | how |
| [02:07:01] | clever: | i just setup a vpn between the front and backend, so they acted like they where on the same local network |
| [02:07:17] | clever: | and then moved the files over like you would download any file over the web |
| [02:07:41] | clever: | its a pretty ugly hack, but it let me use the commflag markers in mythfrontend |
| [02:08:10] | d0nets: | oh wait |
| [02:08:15] | d0nets: | so if i have dyndns setup |
| [02:08:28] | d0nets: | instead of using localhost |
| [02:08:33] | d0nets: | i would just put my domain |
| [02:08:34] | d0nets: | ? |
| [02:08:36] | clever: | mythtv cant use hostnames |
| [02:08:43] | clever: | everything must be ip based |
| [02:08:58] | clever: | and forwarding the mythtv port on the router, is very unsafe |
| [02:09:40] | clever: | you need to use a vpn (virtual PRIVATE network) between the 2 systems |
| [02:10:09] | clever: | might be simpler to just use the streaming in mythweb |
| [02:10:09] | d0nets: | ok i will worry with it in a bit |
| [02:10:13] | d0nets: | i need to get my guide working |
| [02:10:28] | d0nets: | yea clever i know but you can watch the live stream in mythweb, or at least someone in here said i couldnt |
| [02:10:40] | d0nets: | but ok i just bought the 5$ 2 month schedules direct account |
| [02:10:44] | d0nets: | i put it in "video sources |
| [02:11:20] | d0nets: | NOW WHAT |
| [02:11:22] | clever: | that should all be explained in the documents |
| [02:11:23] | d0nets: | woops |
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| [02:12:27] | fuxxy: | hmm, it works on one frontend, but not the other. |
| [02:12:32] | fuxxy: | so what's wrong? |
| [02:13:32] | clever: | all systems must use the same mysql server/database |
| [02:13:35] | clever: | http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-9.html#ss9.1 |
| [02:17:58] | fuxxy: | clever, It's not mysql, I can stream recordings to one frontend, but not the other. |
| [02:18:07] | fuxxy: | the afflicted frontend says "File not found" |
| [02:19:08] | clever: | what else does it say in the logs? |
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| [02:20:07] | d0nets is now known as d0netsFN | |
| [02:20:59] | d0netsFN: | so after i put my schedules direct info in video sources |
| [02:21:06] | d0netsFN: | what do i have to do to get ithe program guide to work |
| [02:21:18] | fuxxy: | clever, a bunch of "2009-01–05 02:09:13.318 Error: File '/recordings/1032_20081202170000.mpg' missing." |
| [02:21:28] | fuxxy: | the time's all screwed, I know that |
| [02:22:13] | clever: | fuxxy: there should be others that mention myth:// |
| [02:23:53] | fuxxy: | ooh, it's pissed |
| [02:24:54] | d0netsFN: | ok iu think i might have done it |
| [02:24:55] | d0netsFN: | woohoo |
| [02:25:05] | fuxxy: | I get these also: 2009-01–04 20:23:29.967 Error: File '/GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/mythtv/1012_20081208190000.mpg' missing. |
| [02:25:20] | fuxxy: | but no myth:// |
| [02:25:40] | clever: | fuxxy: what path is it at the server |
| [02:26:01] | fuxxy: | /recordings/filename.mpg |
| [02:26:39] | fuxxy: | funny thing is I was just watching liveTV, it played that back just fine |
| [02:26:39] | clever: | are you using nfs? |
| [02:26:53] | fuxxy: | clever, I'd like not to need to |
| [02:27:08] | clever: | why? |
| [02:27:08] | fuxxy: | short answer is no :) |
| [02:27:25] | fuxxy: | because that's another possible point of failure |
| [02:27:33] | fuxxy: | I would prefer it to just stream everything |
| [02:28:09] | clever: | try mythfrontend -v file |
| [02:28:18] | fuxxy: | on the frontend? |
| [02:28:26] | clever: | yes |
| [02:29:25] | fuxxy: | gar, that requires X |
| [02:29:49] | clever: | so does running mythfrontend normaly, and getting the error your allready getting:P |
| [02:30:11] | fuxxy: | well, this thing is semi-headless |
| [02:30:13] | fuxxy: | just a second |
| [02:30:38] | clever: | ive done those before too:) |
| [02:31:19] | clever: | 2009-01–04 22:31:01.985 Error: File 'myth://10.0.0.103:6543/1008_20081203205800.nuv' missing. |
| [02:31:29] | clever: | an example of the error i get with -v file |
| [02:31:47] | fuxxy: | um. |
| [02:32:10] | fuxxy: | "Unknown argument for --v/--verbse: 1012_20081208190000.mpg |
| [02:32:25] | clever: | 'mythfrontend -v file' |
| [02:32:33] | fuxxy: | oh, ver-batim |
| [02:32:36] | clever: | not 'mythfrontend -v some_random_filename' |
| [02:32:44] | fuxxy: | haha |
| [02:32:48] | ** fuxxy sits back down ** | |
| [02:32:52] | clever: | and -v help to get a list of all flags |
| [02:35:20] | fuxxy: | 2009-01–04 20:35:00.748 Error: File '/GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/mythtv/1012_20081208190000.mpg' missing. |
| [02:35:33] | clever: | still doesnt mention myth:// |
| [02:36:00] | fuxxy: | google says "My storage and/or storage groups configuration is broken |
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| [02:36:55] | clever: | the frontend should be asking the backend about where the file is(when streaming) |
| [02:36:55] | clever: | so if the backend can play it, it should work everywhere |
| [02:37:25] | fuxxy: | that's what I figured. |
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| [02:37:56] | kormoc: | The two machines don't have the same hostname do they? |
| [02:39:31] | fuxxy: | kormoc, no. |
| [02:39:44] | fuxxy: | One is called 'slider-frontend' the other is called 'mythtv' |
| [02:40:11] | clever: | that could explain why i had trouble finding the hostname in the error:P |
| [02:40:21] | clever: | 'mythtv' didnt look like a hostname |
| [02:40:42] | fuxxy: | clever, sorry |
| [02:41:13] | clever: | 2009-01–04 22:40:35.216 write -> 33 55 ANN FileTransfer d630 1 -1[]:[]/1011_20081217210000.nuv |
| [02:41:21] | clever: | from mythfrontend -v file,network |
| [02:41:38] | clever: | i can see the d630(frontend hostname) asking for that .nuv file |
| [02:42:26] | clever: | but when using a broken file, it doesnt even get that far |
| [02:42:29] | clever: | 2009-01–04 22:42:04.253 write -> 21 627 QUERY_CHECKFILE[]:[]1[]:[]Pushing Daisies[]:[]Comfort Food[]:[]Ch... |
| [02:42:43] | clever: | that query just fails, because the master cant find the file at its end |
| [02:42:58] | fuxxy: | clever, so you're watching the backend logfile? |
| [02:43:08] | clever: | just the frontend log at the moment |
| [02:43:32] | clever: | but i understand whats going on at both ends |
| [02:43:38] | fuxxy: | okay. |
| [02:43:59] | fuxxy: | I don't even have to PICK a file.. as soon as I load the records screen I get: |
| [02:44:03] | clever: | if i had large chunks of the logs(from both ends) on a pastebin i could make more sense of it |
| [02:44:41] | fuxxy: | http://rafb.net/p/MHIUbZ93.html |
| [02:45:37] | clever: | lines 1 thru 71 look like a normal file streaming over the network |
| [02:45:50] | fuxxy: | that's the only file that works. |
| [02:45:50] | clever: | followed by errors about a file it cant find localy |
| [02:45:58] | fuxxy: | the one that was just recorded |
| [02:46:14] | clever: | know how to login to mysql? |
| [02:46:15] | fuxxy: | however, on my OTHER frontend, all of them work. |
| [02:46:19] | fuxxy: | clever, yeah |
| [02:46:32] | clever: | select hostname from recorded where basename='1012_20081208190000.mpg'; |
| [02:47:31] | fuxxy: | It returns a table with "mythtv" in the hostname column, one row in set |
| [02:47:45] | clever: | thats what it should be:) |
| [02:48:21] | clever: | what version? (mythfrontend --version) |
| [02:49:19] | fuxxy: | http://rafb.net/p/FlRTyf64.html |
| [02:49:43] | clever: | ahh:) |
| [02:49:54] | clever: | might explain why the errors look a little different |
| [02:50:58] | fuxxy: | it blows my mind why the recordings of shows I've watched TODAY work, but the ones from before the frontend was built do not work |
| [02:51:13] | clever: | something is different between them |
| [02:51:34] | fuxxy: | I wonder if I export them, and them re-import them. |
| [02:52:05] | kormoc: | SELECT DISTINCT hostname FROM recorded; |
| [02:52:33] | clever: | allready checked that on the file that was failing, i expect it to just show 'mythtv' for that too |
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| [02:52:50] | fuxxy: | kormoc, http://rafb.net/p/DByBji64.html |
| [02:52:54] | kormoc: | and on the frontend, ping mythtv correctly points to the BE? |
| [02:53:03] | fuxxy: | OOOOOOO |
| [02:53:05] | fuxxy: | holy crap |
| [02:53:06] | kormoc: | fuxxy, why two? |
| [02:53:07] | fuxxy: | that's the problem |
| [02:53:09] | fuxxy: | just a second |
| [02:53:15] | fuxxy: | coldfire is the master dedicated backend |
| [02:53:18] | fuxxy: | no idea why it's there |
| [02:53:36] | fuxxy: | mythtv is frontend, coldfire is backend |
| [02:53:43] | clever: | recordings are owned by the hostname that recorded them(with the capture card) |
| [02:54:04] | clever: | normaly, it will try to connect to the slave backend at that system, to stream |
| [02:54:14] | fuxxy: | kormoc, there's a name resolution screwed up |
| [02:54:26] | fuxxy: | mythtv is static ip 192.168.0.98, coldfire thinks it is 192.168.0.110 |
| [02:54:28] | fuxxy: | just a second |
| [02:54:48] | clever: | so for example(with my setup) it would connect to a laptop capture system, even though the laptop stores them on the master(thru nfs) |
| [02:55:18] | fuxxy: | kormoc, route's fixed with a hack for now, |
| [02:55:19] | clever: | i beleive the setting is 'master backend override' |
| [02:55:22] | fuxxy: | but it pings |
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| [02:55:46] | kormoc: | fuxxy, do the files live on the FE (mythtv) or the BE (coldfire) or a mix? |
| [02:55:49] | fuxxy: | kormoc, still no bueno though. |
| [02:55:58] | fuxxy: | they live exclusively on the backend |
| [02:56:05] | clever: | fuxxy: try turning 'master backend override' on in mythtv-setup (general) |
| [02:56:13] | kormoc: | UPDATE recorded SET hostname = 'coldfire'; |
| [02:56:13] | fuxxy: | clever, just a second |
| [02:56:32] | kormoc: | that will cause all FE's to go to the backend for the files |
| [02:56:42] | kormoc: | (given you said coldfire was the backend) |
| [02:56:48] | fuxxy: | kormoc, correct |
| [02:56:55] | clever: | (master backend override makes it go directly to the master, and ignore the hostname in mysql) |
| [02:57:06] | kormoc: | you'll need to restart the backend and frontends to clear the cache |
| [02:57:34] | fuxxy: | kormoc, doing that now. |
| [02:57:42] | fuxxy: | clever, if that doesnt work I'll turn on backend override |
| [02:57:56] | fuxxy: | it works! |
| [02:58:11] | fuxxy: | holy jesus it works |
| [02:58:26] | fuxxy: | the wife will be happy |
| [02:58:27] | moegreen: | hey guys i moved over some HD movies to my box and the sound is really low. is there a way you can boost it? |
| [02:58:30] | fuxxy: | thank you guys for help |
| [02:58:46] | wagnerrp: | turn up the volume |
| [02:59:04] | moegreen: | :) the tv is maxed |
| [02:59:14] | wagnerrp: | turn up the ALSA volume |
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| [03:00:22] | moegreen: | how do i do that ? |
| [03:00:32] | wagnerrp: | the volume controls in mythtv |
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| [03:00:41] | wagnerrp: | or on the command line through alsamixer |
| [03:00:43] | moegreen: | those are maxed too |
| [03:01:05] | clever: | i have trouble getting much out of my hda-intel card |
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| [03:01:20] | clever: | even with everything maxed, it isnt very loud |
| [03:01:42] | moegreen: | ok hold on i just maxed on alsamixer so let me check my vid now. |
| [03:02:04] | clever: | i usualy fix it with mplayer's softvol stuff, which basicaly boosts the volume in the main cpu(at the loss of quality and cpu usage), but mythtv cant do that right now |
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| [03:04:08] | squish102: | on mythbuntu, i need to start a vncserver automatically under a users account when the machine restarts. where is the best place to put that? |
| [03:04:27] | kormoc: | might want to ask in #ubuntu |
| [03:04:35] | squish102: | ok |
| [03:05:15] | fuxxy: | squish102, I stick mine in ~/.xinitrc |
| [03:05:20] | fuxxy: | before the wm |
| [03:05:39] | clever: | 'vncserver' is meant to setup a 2nd X session with the server |
| [03:05:47] | squish102: | thanks, #ubuntu is a little crazy! |
| [03:05:58] | clever: | putting it in .xinitrc would start a whole new vnc server every time you login as that user |
| [03:06:21] | wagnerrp: | yeah, a bunch of people seeing the terminal for the first time in their lives |
| [03:06:21] | squish102: | yes, i am trying to put skype in a different window so it does not mess with my mythtv screen |
| [03:06:34] | fuxxy: | Now, I need to figure out why my channels table is not in my mysql database backup files |
| [03:07:16] | clever: | squish102: i would just setup a vnc server thru xdm |
| [03:07:54] | clever: | brb |
| [03:08:00] | squish102: | i have it all working and starting skype correctly on a blackbox vm, but i just need to automate the 'vncserver' startup on a reboot |
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| [03:09:56] | clever: | you could just stick it in /etc/rc.local |
| [03:10:11] | clever: | su squish102 -c 'vncserver' |
| [03:10:16] | clever: | i think |
| [03:10:23] | squish102: | ok, i'll try that |
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| [03:10:58] | clever: | rc.local is ran after all the services start up and the system is done booting |
| [03:12:23] | moegreen: | that really didnt help with the volume is made it kinda sound like echoes |
| [03:12:31] | moegreen: | *it made |
| [03:12:37] | moegreen: | anything else to try? |
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| [03:16:05] | squish102: | clever thanks, worked |
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| [03:20:01] | fuxxy: | Can I grep a gzipped file? |
| [03:20:15] | clever: | cat something.gz|gunzip|grep findme |
| [03:20:31] | GreyFoxx: | or zgrep on most systems |
| [03:20:43] | GreyFoxx: | zcat, zgrep etc on many systems |
| [03:21:44] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx, http://www.fecitfacta.com/theme-PBB-round2.png |
| [03:21:51] | iamlindoro_: | Coming soon to a MythUI capable PBB near you ;) |
| [03:23:03] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [03:23:45] | iamlindoro_: | See also http://www.fecitfacta.com/theme-MythMusic.png and http://www.fecitfacta.com/theme-MV-browser.png |
| [03:24:07] | fuxxy: | so.. my database backup script only copied ONE record from the channel table |
| [03:25:40] | GreyFoxx: | I like that chronicles of riddick poster more than the one I have heh |
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| [03:29:20] | fuxxy: | How do I wipe the contents of the 'channel' table, while keeping the table itself intact? |
| [03:29:33] | kormoc: | TRUNCATE channel; DELETE FROM channel; |
| [03:29:42] | kormoc: | they both clear it |
| [03:30:21] | fuxxy: | okay.. and I have a table with a bunch of 'INSERT INTO `channel`" statements |
| [03:30:37] | fuxxy: | I can just mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg < channel.sql ? |
| [03:30:48] | kormoc: | aye |
| [03:30:53] | kormoc: | assuming it's valid SQL |
| [03:30:53] | fuxxy: | the channel.sql file has the INSERT INTO statements, rather |
| [03:31:07] | fuxxy: | it's a CSV dumpfile |
| [03:31:12] | kormoc: | erm |
| [03:31:19] | fuxxy: | kormoc, just a second |
| [03:31:28] | kormoc: | if it's CSV you'll need to use a LOAD FROM DATAFILE statement |
| [03:32:09] | fuxxy: | http://rafb.net/p/vn9A8524.html |
| [03:32:25] | fuxxy: | I'm really not sure what it is, I just pulled it from my database backup files |
| [03:32:26] | kormoc: | Yes, that's valid SQL not a CSV file |
| [03:33:11] | fuxxy: | okay, so.. cross fingers |
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| [03:34:11] | brayton: | does this look legit to you guys? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6129026 he claims to have an hvr 1800 working with NTSC in myth. I was under the impression that this was impossible. |
| [03:34:23] | brayton: | post 132 |
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| [03:35:34] | fuxxy: | woot |
| [03:35:37] | fuxxy: | now to try it |
| [03:35:56] | fuxxy: | ooh, wait, I think I need to copy dtv_multiplex table also |
| [03:37:01] | iamlindoro_: | brayton, The fact that he set his 1800 up as allegedly MPEG-4 card type shows you it's BS |
| [03:37:12] | iamlindoro_: | (as that card type is specifically the Hauppauge Hd-PVR right now) |
| [03:37:43] | iamlindoro_: | anyway, you can *make* the 1800 work in myth right now, you just can't tune channels with it, making it useless. someone is working on it, however |
| [03:37:49] | brayton: | dang, got my hopes up lol |
| [03:38:04] | iamlindoro_: | There will be support, there's a dev looking at it |
| [03:38:06] | fuxxy: | awesome, let's try it now |
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| [03:38:26] | brayton: | ok kool, ty for info |
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| [03:41:11] | portablejim: | How do you get mythTV set up for a composite (Red, White and Yellow plugs) signal? |
| [03:42:13] | iamlindoro_: | The same way you set it up for any signal |
| [03:43:00] | kormoc: | Be American! Paint that yellow plug blue! |
| [03:43:46] | cesman: | blue plug? |
| [03:44:05] | ** cesman gets the joke now... ** | |
| [03:44:25] | portablejim: | kormoc, I am not American. |
| [03:44:33] | iamlindoro_: | nobody's perfect |
| [03:44:48] | ** cesman see portablejim doesn't get the joke ** | |
| [03:45:06] | portablejim: | I get the joke. |
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| [03:46:06] | fuxxy: | awesome, now I've got all my digital channels! |
| [03:46:34] | fuxxy: | Now I need to set up the database backup system on the new backend. |
| [03:47:14] | cesman: | portablejim: in mythtv-setup, when you setup the tuner. Just select the appropriate input of the tuner. |
| [03:47:26] | GreyFoxx: | http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/19569 That should be interesting |
| [03:47:33] | cesman: | portablejim: like iamlindoro_ stated... |
| [03:47:41] | GreyFoxx: | get that nicefull screen OSD all the time |
| [03:48:11] | iamlindoro_: | Oooh, that is nice |
| [03:48:18] | iamlindoro_: | I like that high res OSD much |
| [03:48:26] | iamlindoro_: | (although it's possible in OpenGL but that's neither here nor there) |
| [03:48:51] | GreyFoxx: | I've had issues with the OpenGL video renderer |
| [03:48:59] | GreyFoxx: | so this should be neat to try out |
| [03:49:04] | iamlindoro_: | yeah, me too |
| [03:51:04] | portablejim: | When I go to Input connections I have the inputs for the card (/dev/video0) which are: Television, Composite1, Composite2 and S-video. |
| [03:51:30] | portablejim: | I know that I want Composite2 or S-video from using TVtime. |
| [03:52:10] | portablejim: | However when I go to set it up it asks me for a channel. What do I do?? |
| [03:52:20] | iamlindoro_: | jpabq, 13 groups visible in my new PBB ;) |
| [03:52:34] | iamlindoro_: | (but only 4 episodes) |
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| [03:55:54] | fuxxy: | PBB? |
| [03:56:03] | iamlindoro_: | "Watch Recordings" |
| [03:56:03] | kormoc: | portablejim, you'll still need to setup a external channel changing script/device/etc and all that jazz |
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| [03:58:34] | portablejim: | kormoc, I am a fairly new user. would "Mythtv s-video external channel changing script" me what I would put into google to find what you are talking about?? |
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| [04:01:07] | kormoc: | portablejim, Well, myth can't change the channel on the device you're hooking up to it via the svideo/composite cables, You need a script that myth can run to change the channel on that device, so it's less that there is a generic script and more likely there is one for your ir blaster/other device |
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| [04:04:02] | portablejim: | kormoc, I just want to hook up a Playstation / Video Player, etc to it, so a channel changer is not needed (or you see it that I will be controlling the device personally.) |
| [04:04:26] | iamlindoro_: | Playstation will not work in myth |
| [04:04:43] | iamlindoro_: | As you will be controlling things on a multiple-second delay |
| [04:04:57] | kormoc: | portablejim, then myth really isn't the right app for you |
| [04:04:57] | iamlindoro_: | making game playing impossible |
| [04:06:57] | portablejim: | Then, change the example to an external DVD player / external VCR player. |
| [04:07:41] | iamlindoro_: | Myth still not being the right app for that |
| [04:08:18] | kormoc: | portablejim, so... why run myth? you're going to need to create fake channel lineups or it'll complain all the time about not having guide data... You'll be limited to 30 minute recorded files if you don't bother will realistic guide data.... Why would you want to use myth without the tv stuff? |
| [04:10:25] | RyeBrye: | oooh... that vdpau renderer sounds nice. Does this change happen independent of the resolution changing? I.e. my OSD wont turn crappy when I watch SD stuff but will still be high res? |
| [04:10:40] | iamlindoro_: | correct |
| [04:10:50] | ** RyeBrye is excited ** | |
| [04:11:09] | iamlindoro_: | OpenGL has done it for a while |
| [04:11:42] | RyeBrye: | OpenGL as the renderer? or could you have openGL do that on top of xv-blit? |
| [04:11:52] | iamlindoro_: | opengl as in the renderer |
| [04:12:29] | RyeBrye: | Ah. OpenGL was disappointing as the renderer – I had tons of tearing and it didn't perform well on my extremely ballsy system |
| [04:12:51] | RyeBrye: | btu maybe I just abandoned it too soon without tweaking the parameters |
| [04:13:06] | RyeBrye: | It's such a bitch to have to jump back and forth between a recording and the video playback settings |
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| [04:14:11] | dman_: | Anyone in? |
| [04:14:43] | kormoc: | nope, all 201 of us are actually dropped connections that haven't timed out yet |
| [04:14:51] | dman_: | lol |
| [04:14:54] | dman_: | well done |
| [04:15:48] | dman_: | been trying to get a Hauppauge 1600 card setup for days now...no luck. It will play chan 1 on VLC PVR....but myth won't even start up |
| [04:16:46] | dman_: | neither the front-end or the back-end will start now |
| [04:16:55] | portablejim: | kormoc, since I am trying to get TV channels working (seperate issue – they are paritally working) and TVtime does not have any sound with the channels, Myth does. I assumes I wanted to have the input going to mythTV so I could record the input. What is a better program to use? |
| [04:17:45] | dman_: | I've also removed and reinstalled if anyone is there to assist |
| [04:17:49] | kormoc: | portablejim, depends on your capture card |
| [04:18:40] | Anduin: | dman_: you will need to but relevant logs on some pastebin |
| [04:19:04] | Lexridge: | dman_: Well, the frontend will not start without the backend, so you need to get that working first. What are your errors when starting the backend? |
| [04:19:08] | dman_: | <---total newb here – sorry for my ignorance |
| [04:19:32] | portablejim: | kormoc, please explain. |
| [04:19:52] | dman_: | been running GBpVR on xp for year now – jus switched to ubuntu 3 weeks ago and don't want to use xp anymore |
| [04:19:59] | dman_: | xp is ass |
| [04:20:01] | dman_: | sorry |
| [04:20:03] | kormoc: | portablejim, a v4l device would have different options then a mpeg-2 capture card, which is different then a mpeg-4 capture card.... |
| [04:20:12] | dman_: | ok...will work on backend |
| [04:21:37] | portablejim: | kormoc, setting up the device in mythtv it seemed to recognise it (even had the different inputs) when it said it mentioned V4L card. |
| [04:21:37] | RyeBrye: | dman_: are you using mythbuntu? |
| [04:21:59] | dman_: | no – gnome 8.10 |
| [04:22:05] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [04:22:09] | cesman: | lol |
| [04:22:43] | dman_: | the backend won't even execute into the Gui though |
| [04:22:48] | RyeBrye: | If you are using the machine primarily for myth, mythbuntu will make your setup life much easier |
| [04:22:52] | RyeBrye: | the backend has no gui |
| [04:22:54] | kormoc: | portablejim, v4l would limit you to mencoder likely for recording, xawtv or tvtime for playback |
| [04:23:19] | RyeBrye: | mythtv-setup is a gui that talks to the backend, but the backend is like your ass... you never really see it when it is running |
| [04:23:19] | dman_: | I have mythbuntu installed and can open a session there as well, but still can't execute the app |
| [04:23:27] | dman_: | lol |
| [04:23:29] | dman_: | ok |
| [04:23:57] | RyeBrye: | you can see it in ps and you can see it's log... and if you do mythbackend -d in a termianl window it will spit out some text into that winodw |
| [04:24:37] | dman_: | lots of errors |
| [04:24:43] | portablejim: | kormoc, so to set it up google "mencoder v4l composite"? |
| [04:24:51] | kormoc: | likely |
| [04:25:12] | dman_: | UPDATE recorded SET programid=CONCAT(SUBSTRING(programid, 1, 2), '00', SUBSTRING(programid, 3)) WHERE length(programid) = 12 |
| [04:25:12] | dman_: | Driver error was [2/1146]: |
| [04:25:12] | dman_: | QMYSQL3: Unable to execute query |
| [04:25:12] | dman_: | Database error was: |
| [04:25:12] | dman_: | Table 'mysql.recorded' doesn't exist |
| [04:25:27] | kormoc: | dman_, you're gonna need to read the docs |
| [04:25:38] | dman_: | will do again – have been reading them for a week |
| [04:25:53] | kormoc: | you missed the setting up the initial database bit |
| [04:25:55] | dman_: | installed, removed, reinstalled – removed...no luck |
| [04:26:00] | Lexridge: | dman_: Find a good online howto, like the wiki |
| [04:26:24] | dman_: | have done...will --purge everything again and start fresh....arrghhhhh |
| [04:26:35] | kormoc: | Lexridge, that might be fairly hard given he doesn't even know what distro he is using |
| [04:26:57] | dman_: | give me a little credit here...i'm not that much of a moron |
| [04:27:03] | Lexridge: | kormoc: he said he had mythbuntu installed. |
| [04:27:07] | dman_: | i can type ;) |
| [04:27:14] | dman_: | I do have buntu installed |
| [04:27:31] | dman_: | logout – change session to buntu etc |
| [04:27:48] | dman_: | just going to remove all again |
| [04:27:49] | kormoc: | dman_, you did first say you had gnome 8.1 installed, which such a thing doesn't exist |
| [04:28:05] | dman_: | sorry – I did say I was a newb |
| [04:28:13] | dman_: | ubuntu 8.10 |
| [04:28:34] | kormoc: | Ubuntu != Mythbuntu |
| [04:28:47] | dman_: | ?? |
| [04:28:48] | kormoc: | they're similar, but have important differences in setting things up |
| [04:29:14] | dman_: | I have them both installed though – unless I'm logging into mythbuntu and it's not what I think |
| [04:29:40] | justdave: | has .22 branched yet, or is that still trunk? |
| [04:29:47] | Lexridge: | dman_: have you looked at this link: http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php ? |
| [04:29:50] | kormoc: | it's still trunk, will be trunk for awhile |
| [04:30:53] | dman_: | have seen this link as well |
| [04:31:00] | Lexridge: | dman_: This one may be better: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV |
| [04:31:20] | iamlindoro_: | mythbuntu has a manual with pictures |
| [04:31:24] | justdave: | I keep hearing how it's light-years beyond .21 already, but I'm scared to run trunk because I have to keep it usable by the wife :) who isn't quite as tolerant of little glitches here and there (or installing an update and have something suddenly not work until some bug gets fixed :) |
| [04:31:41] | kormoc: | little glitches? trunk is currently majorly glitched! |
| [04:31:45] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.mythbuntu.org/documentation/mythbu . . . allation.pdf |
| [04:32:01] | justdave: | yeah, exactly :) |
| [04:32:36] | dman_: | ya, I've looked at all of these – I'll just start from scratch |
| [04:32:48] | dman_: | is the "purge" option the best to remove all traces? |
| [04:32:49] | justdave: | I'm sure the backend protocol has changed since .21, too... if the protocol were still the same I could see upgrading one box (not one that she uses) to play with it |
| [04:33:09] | iamlindoro_: | You can probably remove all traces best with a match and some lighter fluid |
| [04:33:11] | iamlindoro_: | but no need to go that far |
| [04:33:55] | Lexridge: | dman_: If you are going to start from scratch, perhaps you should get mythbuntu and install that instead of ubuntu. It would make it much easier, but you wouldn't learn much. |
| [04:33:56] | dman_: | lol – has been thought of trust me :).....headed to ncix tomorrow to upgrade my system – just for linux |
| [04:34:08] | dman_: | I want to learn |
| [04:34:20] | dman_: | I've been working on systems since the commodore 64 |
| [04:34:37] | dman_: | and now I think I've found the holy grail :) |
| [04:34:46] | dman_: | tons to learn though |
| [04:34:49] | justdave: | is the mythbuntu installer different other than the package selection? |
| [04:34:49] | Lexridge: | dman_ or you could even try knoppmyth which is a great hardware tester since it boots live. |
| [04:34:58] | d0netsFN: | hey how do i do this |
| [04:34:59] | d0netsFN: | Error Could not create a symlink to /home/hebs/.mythtv/MythVideo, the local MythVideo artwork directory for this hostname (hebs-desktop). Please create a symlink to your MythVideo directory at data/video_covers in order to use the video artwork portions of MythWeb. |
| [04:35:00] | dman_: | hmm...interesting |
| [04:35:15] | justdave: | I installed Ubuntu then did apt-get install mythbuntu and it switched everything over. |
| [04:35:47] | Lexridge: | justdave: really? That's cool it can do that!! |
| [04:35:57] | dman_: | is there a wild card to remove all myth items like sudo apt-get auto remove --purge myth*? |
| [04:35:59] | kormoc: | d0netsFN, ln -s /home/hebs/.mythtv/MythVideo /path/to/htdocs/mythweb/data/video_covers |
| [04:36:17] | justdave: | Mythbuntu is in the same repos with Ubuntu, it's just a different package selection |
| [04:36:57] | justdave: | maybe it was "mythbuntu-desktop" was the metapackage that switches it over (to coincide with ubuntu-desktop, which is the metapackage that depends on all the stuff the main Ubuntu installer installs) |
| [04:37:10] | Lexridge: | great idea. Perhaps MythDora should do something like this. |
| [04:37:38] | d0netsFN: | $ sudo ln -s /home/hebs/.mythtv/MythVideo /var/www/mythweb/data/video_covers |
| [04:37:38] | d0netsFN: | ln: creating symbolic link `/var/www/mythweb/data/video_covers': File exists |
| [04:38:10] | Lexridge: | dman_: try typing "man apt-get" from a shell, if that is the package manager ubuntu uses. |
| [04:38:40] | justdave: | d0netsFN: permissions probably aren't set so the webserver can see them |
| [04:38:45] | dman_: | beautiful thanks |
| [04:38:46] | justdave: | dman_: run Synaptic from the GUI |
| [04:38:54] | portablejim: | kormoc, I have done it. Thanks. |
| [04:39:03] | dman_: | kinda like command line :) |
| [04:39:04] | justdave: | dman_: pick "Status" from the buttons at the bottom left |
| [04:39:05] | d0netsFN: | if i do sudo chmod 777 -R /var/www/mythweb |
| [04:39:08] | d0netsFN: | would that work? |
| [04:39:17] | justdave: | dman_: then click on Installed on the list of statuses |
| [04:39:22] | kormoc: | nah, will need to be on the target of the symlink |
| [04:39:22] | iamlindoro_: | d0netsFN, You have to remove the existing broken symlink first |
| [04:39:27] | justdave: | dman_: the in the search box at the top, put in "myth" |
| [04:39:32] | iamlindoro_: | do NOT chmod your web dir 777 |
| [04:39:57] | justdave: | dman_: select all, right-click on any of them, and pick completely remove (make sure they're all actually myth stuff of course) |
| [04:40:05] | d0netsFN: | ok how do i remove the symlink and get it workin? |
| [04:40:06] | kormoc: | Why not? Having strangers fully control your boxes is the new hawtness, no? |
| [04:40:10] | d0netsFN: | im trying to watch my stuff remotely |
| [04:40:26] | iamlindoro_: | rm /var/www/mythweb/data/video_covers && sudo ln -s /home/hebs/.mythtv/MythVideo /var/www/mythweb/data/video_covers |
| [04:40:51] | iamlindoro_: | then make sure the www-data user (or equivalent apache user) has permissions to that dir |
| [04:40:56] | dman_: | wow – fantastic |
| [04:41:16] | dman_: | thanks for that gui tip |
| [04:41:57] | d0netsFN: | iamlindoro how do i do that |
| [04:42:25] | iamlindoro_: | put the user in the group that owns that dir |
| [04:42:33] | justdave: | I'm had much better luck getting random things working (like Mythweb) by getting all of that stuff out of user home directories |
| [04:42:37] | d0netsFN: | mind holding my hand for that command to? |
| [04:42:40] | d0netsFN: | too* |
| [04:42:43] | iamlindoro_: | off to eat dinner now |
| [04:43:03] | justdave: | you can change the directories myth looks in for various things from the setup screens |
| [04:43:42] | justdave: | also makes it easy to share the stuff over NFS so other frontends can see the video thumbnails and so forth, too. |
| [04:44:03] | dman_: | theoretically if VLC can play chan 1, I can probably get Myth working eh? |
| [04:44:18] | dman_: | at least this tells me my card is recognized and working |
| [04:44:33] | justdave: | Can do it wherever you like on the filesystem, but I made an /opt/myth/ and put my videos and videothumbs and recordings all in there |
| [04:44:39] | justdave: | then shared /opt/myth over NFS |
| [04:44:49] | justdave: | the frontends all mount it |
| [04:44:51] | Lexridge: | dman_: most likely. Also, you can do a "cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg" then control C outta that after a few seconds, and see if vlc plays it. |
| [04:46:09] | kormoc: | Lexridge, only if it's a mpeg2 style card |
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| [04:46:17] | Lexridge: | dman_ v4l2 also has some tools that allow you control the card directly, depending on the card. |
| [04:46:31] | Lexridge: | kormoc: yea, that's right. What card do you have dman_? |
| [04:46:46] | dman_: | ya this hauppauge 1600 is apparently needing myth |
| [04:47:45] | Lexridge: | dman_ I have a 1600 as well. /dev/video0 should exist. A simple "dmesg" in a shell will show you if the card is found or not, and show you the devices it creates as well. |
| [04:48:14] | Lexridge: | dman_ it will probably be near the very bottom of the dmesg list. |
| [04:48:43] | Lexridge: | dman_ you also need to install the firmware for this card, usually in /lib/firmware |
| [04:48:53] | Lexridge: | but ubuntu may be different. |
| [04:49:26] | d0netsFN: | hey when i try to stream i get this |
| [04:49:31] | d0netsFN: | Internal Server Error The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. Please contact the server administrator, webmaster@localhost and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error. More information about this error may be available in the server error log. |
| [04:49:35] | dman_: | 22.665275] cx18–0: Autodetected Hauppauge HVR-1600 |
| [04:49:35] | dman_: | [ 22.665279] cx18–0: Raw VBI supported; Sliced VBI is not yet supported |
| [04:49:35] | dman_: | [ 22.900273] end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 7782912 |
| [04:49:35] | dman_: | [ 22.900282] Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 972864 |
| [04:49:35] | dman_: | [ 22.992681] end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 7782912 |
| [04:49:36] | dman_: | [ 22.992689] Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 972864 |
| [04:49:38] | dman_: | [ 23.559507] dcdbas dcdbas: Dell Systems Management Base Driver (version 5.6.0 |
| [04:50:10] | d0netsFN: | thtas when i click "recorded programs" in mythweb, and i click the .asx streams |
| [04:50:45] | Lexridge: | dman_ be careful pasting that stuff here. Multiple lines can get you kicked. Use http://pastebin.ca instead. |
| [04:50:53] | dman_: | sorry |
| [04:51:26] | Lexridge: | your sr0 errors are related to the DVD/CD drive probably. You're missing a lot, but probably slightly further up in the list. |
| [04:52:28] | Lexridge: | dman_: You should see stuff like this as well: cx18–0: loaded v4l-cx23418-apu.fw firmware V00120000 (141200 bytes) |
| [04:53:13] | d0netsFN: | any idears on my inability to stream? |
| [04:53:40] | dman_: | pastebin'd everything |
| [04:53:55] | dman_: | http://pastebin.ca/1299920 |
| [04:55:01] | Lexridge: | dman_: your card is being recognized just fine. |
| [04:55:21] | dman_: | thank god :) |
| [04:56:10] | dman_: | so it's just my myth config I'm doing wrong somewhere. going for the reinstall now and will walk through it here |
| [04:57:05] | Lexridge: | I have found that until you fill the myth database, things just don't seem to work. First, set up your free 2 wk subscribtion to schedules direct, then populate the database using "mythfilldatabase" |
| [04:57:35] | dman_: | my 2 weeks is almost up – lol – that's how long I've been at this |
| [04:57:47] | dman_: | will try now though |
| [04:58:31] | Lexridge: | and be sure to change "localhost" to the actual machine's IP in "mythtv-setup" |
| [04:59:11] | dman_: | oh shnap – that was one of the mistakes |
| [05:00:00] | dman_: | I'm feeling lucky tonight though *fingers crossed* |
| [05:01:58] | dman_: | is a restart required after removal of an app – to clear it out? |
| [05:02:38] | dman_: | I'll take that as a "no" |
| [05:02:56] | Lexridge: | not necessary |
| [05:04:10] | Lexridge: | dman_: dunno about ubuntu, but you if you are removing everything, you will probably need to remove all of mysql as well, and it's created mythconverge database. Anyone want to correct me here? |
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| [05:05:04] | dman_: | um – I believe you're correct, but it's too late now :) |
| [05:05:14] | dman_: | I did that previously |
| [05:05:24] | dman_: | but not this time |
| [05:07:01] | dman_: | how is myth compared to gbpvr? |
| [05:07:36] | iamlindoro_: | On a scale of X to 23,476, Myth is an orange and gb-pvr is a grandfather clock |
| [05:07:40] | Lexridge: | not familiar with gdpvr, but myth is so damn good I don't want to try anything else. |
| [05:08:51] | dman_: | lol |
| [05:08:54] | dman_: | rofl |
| [05:09:23] | dman_: | nope – backend still won't open – not even the gui for setup opens for me |
| [05:09:49] | dman_: | runs through the process, but I can't get into do any setup |
| [05:09:57] | Lexridge: | run it from a shell, and paste the errors to pastebin so we can see them |
| [05:10:19] | dman_: | kk – command > mythtvbackend-setup? |
| [05:10:27] | Lexridge: | mythtv-setup |
| [05:10:33] | dman_: | thx |
| [05:11:16] | dman_: | where are the logs found? |
| [05:11:30] | dman_: | /usr/bin/mythbackend found running; none killed. |
| [05:11:54] | dman_: | again – I apologize for my Newbness |
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| [05:12:01] | Lexridge: | they should show up on the standard output....the shell you run it from, in otherwords. |
| [05:12:03] | erb: | whats the best remote to use if i just want the remote and not a remote/card combo |
| [05:12:14] | erb: | and will the remote work with my ati x850 video card |
| [05:12:23] | dman_: | only thing that ran in the shell was that remark above |
| [05:12:28] | erb: | been trying to figure this out on google and its notw orking |
| [05:12:30] | Lexridge: | dman_ sounds like your backend IS indeed running. |
| [05:12:55] | dman_: | hmm...kk |
| [05:13:40] | dman_: | not sure what next step should be now |
| [05:14:00] | Lexridge: | do a "ps -ea|grep myth" and see if anything shows up |
| [05:14:14] | d0netsFN: | how the F do i get my .asx streams working over mythwe |
| [05:14:15] | d0netsFN: | b |
| [05:14:22] | dman_: | 1510 ? 00:00:00 mythbackend |
| [05:14:45] | Lexridge: | humm, try "killall mythbackend" then try "mythtv-setup" again. |
| [05:16:10] | dman_: | nice one...in the setup now |
| [05:16:36] | Lexridge: | cool! |
| [05:17:30] | dman_: | port 6543 correct? |
| [05:17:36] | Lexridge: | yea |
| [05:17:41] | dman_: | sec pin? |
| [05:17:55] | Lexridge: | you will need to set a pin |
| [05:18:12] | Lexridge: | not sure why really, but I believe you need to set it. |
| [05:18:17] | dman_: | so jus add anything in there I wan? |
| [05:18:38] | kormoc: | it's the pin you use to validate remote upnp requests |
| [05:18:42] | Lexridge: | something you will remember would be better. |
| [05:18:45] | dman_: | 0000 is what I'm using |
| [05:18:53] | dman_: | allows all apparently |
| [05:20:38] | dman_: | card type? |
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| [05:21:16] | dman_: | I read somewhere I was supposed to change this to mpeg |
| [05:21:47] | Lexridge: | yea, I think mpeg pvr types and your HVR1600 should show up once you select that. |
| [05:21:50] | dman_: | set on analog 4vl |
| [05:22:06] | dman_: | when I select mpeg, my card is gone |
| [05:22:26] | Lexridge: | what all types DOES your card show up on? |
| [05:22:38] | dman_: | analog 4vl |
| [05:22:45] | Lexridge: | and that's it? |
| [05:22:56] | dman_: | mjpeg |
| [05:23:15] | dman_: | usb mpeg |
| [05:23:18] | Lexridge: | in that case, choose analog v4l, I think. I not in a position to run my setup ATM for comparison sake. |
| [05:23:30] | GreyFoxx: | Well so far the VDPAU video renderer is working like a champ compared the the OpenGL renderer on this box |
| [05:24:19] | Lexridge: | dman_ check this link: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_HVR-1600 |
| [05:24:50] | Lexridge: | dman_: look at this section "3. Configure MythTV to use both "halves" of the card" |
| [05:24:58] | dman_: | will do now |
| [05:25:57] | dman_: | Probed info should populate with 'Hauppauge HVR-1600 [cx18] – this does not happen |
| [05:28:57] | Lexridge: | the Video Device should be /dev/video0. Is it? |
| [05:29:53] | Lexridge: | my card type for NTSC is "MPEG-2 encoder card (PVR-x50, PVR-500)" |
| [05:30:18] | Lexridge: | video device is /dev/video0 and probed info says "Hauppauge HVR-1600 [cx18]" |
| [05:30:37] | Lexridge: | default input is "Tuner 1" |
| [05:33:53] | dman_: | ya, the mpeg 2 encoder doesn't populate the hvr-1600 |
| [05:34:23] | Lexridge: | humm, it should. perhaps you should try rebooting. |
| [05:34:26] | dman_: | tried running the mythfill database after setup and it seemed to run through for a min and dissappear |
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| [05:35:15] | dman_: | arghhhhh |
| [05:35:20] | dman_: | this is crazy |
| [05:35:48] | dman_: | doing restart now.....have a feeling that's not going to help either |
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| [05:42:33] | dman_: | no luck – can't get into the setup again |
| [05:42:39] | trontos: | silly questions, if there is a recording conflict the program (if there is one) with the lower priority will NOT be recorded in favor of a higher priority? |
| [05:42:40] | dman_: | will have to kill everything again |
| [05:43:00] | dman_: | is it mythtv-killall? |
| [05:43:10] | dman_: | sorry command for killing all |
| [05:43:12] | Lexridge: | killall mythbackend |
| [05:43:15] | dman_: | thanks |
| [05:43:48] | Lexridge: | however, the mythtv-setup should still run with the backend running, with a warning that the backend is running. So that is strange. |
| [05:44:29] | dman_: | it asks me to fill the database etc...then runs a script and doesn't open another window |
| [05:44:35] | trontos: | nevermind, tried and looks like my assumption was correct :) |
| [05:45:03] | dman_: | first asks to close backend – I say ok |
| [05:45:41] | dman_: | woot – got the hauppauge under the probed now |
| [05:45:55] | Lexridge: | good news! |
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| [05:52:53] | dman_: | scanning for chan now....this is the furthest I've gotten so I'm close to peeing myself :) |
| [05:53:26] | dman_: | damn – spoke too soon – getting timeouts on chan scan |
| [05:53:38] | kormoc: | you don't scan for normal cable stuff |
| [05:54:24] | dman_: | ?? |
| [05:54:46] | kormoc: | the data you get from schedules direct is all you need for normal cable |
| [05:54:58] | dman_: | everything is showing as "No Signal |
| [05:55:11] | dman_: | hmm |
| [05:55:42] | dman_: | so should I be receiving the "no signal" on this initial scan? |
| [05:57:14] | dman_: | signal strength and signal noise are @ 0 as well, so I'm suspecting I'm doing something incorrect again |
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| [06:01:56] | d0netsFN: | why do i get internal server error when i try to stream the .asx in mythweb? |
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| [06:06:21] | kafkaCA: | hi. having an issue w/ viewing/recording w/ pvr500 on latest trunk on kubuntu 8.10 (2.6.27–11). it worked until about 12/23 or 24 |
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| [06:11:00] | dman_: | oh well |
| [06:11:09] | dman_: | looks like a no go for me again |
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| [06:11:28] | dman_: | hate logging into xp |
| [06:11:33] | dman_: | just to record tv |
| [06:12:18] | dman_: | frontend not working either |
| [06:12:27] | dman_: | damn this is allot of work for one card |
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| [06:18:28] | dman_: | can someone check out the log here http://pastebin.ca/1299952 |
| [06:18:32] | dman_: | please |
| [06:19:07] | dman_: | failed to get pginfo |
| [06:19:31] | dman_: | get entry at -1 failed |
| [06:19:44] | dman_: | any help would be much appreciated |
| [06:19:45] | iamlindoro_: | IT's generic, means you should check your backend logs |
| [06:20:06] | iamlindoro_: | where, most likely, it will tell you you have not completed mythtv-setup properly |
| [06:20:20] | iamlindoro_: | you cannot use the frontend until all steps in mythtv-setup have been properly completed |
| [06:20:29] | dman_: | kk |
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| [06:26:49] | kafkaCA: | i'm getting an error trying to watch live tv or record from the pvr500--error is RingBuf (path to file): Invalid file (fd15) |
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| [06:28:37] | kafkaCA: | i can cat the /dev/video1 & video2 for each of the tuners to a file and they playback fine |
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| [06:29:46] | dman_: | ok – I'm very close now – need some final help here please |
| [06:29:47] | dman_: | anyone |
| [06:29:52] | hot_wheelz: | I wonder what the state of Blu Ray playback on Linux is like at the moment. How's the MythTV support? |
| [06:30:44] | dman_: | any commands to check the status of my install etc? |
| [06:31:08] | dman_: | chan scan found channels, but still can't open front end |
| [06:31:22] | dman_: | am I just babbling now – no listeners? |
| [06:31:48] | kafkaCA: | dman... what does frontend say when you try to start it? |
| [06:32:00] | dman_: | doesn't do anything |
| [06:32:24] | kafkaCA: | how are you starting it? |
| [06:32:27] | iamlindoro_: | mythtv is not the command to start mythtv |
| [06:32:31] | dman_: | and now of course the damn backend won't open again either |
| [06:32:32] | iamlindoro_: | have you even *glanced* at the manual? |
| [06:32:34] | dman_: | this is insane |
| [06:32:47] | dman_: | you're kidding right? |
| [06:32:51] | iamlindoro_: | No. |
| [06:32:55] | iamlindoro_: | about either part. |
| [06:33:00] | iamlindoro_: | You should *really* read the manual |
| [06:33:00] | dman_: | 3 weeks of looking at manuals |
| [06:33:16] | iamlindoro_: | And you didn't bother to check out the part on the command that starts the frontend? |
| [06:33:18] | dman_: | I've read it – many times over |
| [06:33:26] | kafkaCA: | mythfrontend |
| [06:33:27] | dman_: | solutions |
| [06:33:29] | iamlindoro_: | were you reading a manual in your native language? |
| [06:33:41] | dman_: | wow – this is pointless |
| [06:34:20] | dman_: | I've been in sysadmin for a while, understand systems, and am not a newb to systems – have read the manuals, along with many other people who talk about how hard it is to install this |
| [06:34:33] | dman_: | I know I'm not the only one with issues installing Myth |
| [06:34:42] | dman_: | have you read any of those posts |
| [06:34:45] | kafkaCA: | dman... try knoppmyth or mythbuntu |
| [06:34:55] | iamlindoro_: | *my* reading isn't the issue, apparently |
| [06:34:59] | kafkaCA: | until you cut your teeth |
| [06:35:14] | dman_: | nevermind......thanks to those who assisted |
| [06:35:27] | dman_: | uninstalling myth – bak to freaking xp |
| [06:35:57] | dman_: | at least I can say I attempted to read, install, reinstall, reread and uninstall |
| [06:37:02] | dman_: | ciao |
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| [06:37:53] | kafkaCA: | iamlindoro... this is the first problem i've had that i think is related to trunk--any better forum? |
| [06:38:50] | iamlindoro_: | Have you been following the commits list? |
| [06:39:19] | kafkaCA: | yeah.. only thing remotely related is a change from the description for the cards |
| [06:39:28] | kafkaCA: | at least as far as i can tell |
| [06:39:34] | iamlindoro_: | Right, that's unrelated (wrote the patch myself) |
| [06:39:41] | iamlindoro_: | only changes the text descriptions |
| [06:40:13] | iamlindoro_: | Anyway, if it was around the 23rd/24th, that's when -vid got merged in, problems like this are to be expected |
| [06:40:51] | kafkaCA: | i saw that merge, but wasn't sure what it meant exactly |
| [06:41:05] | kafkaCA: | so i guess i should just open a ticket for this |
| [06:41:12] | iamlindoro_: | A merge of, more or less, a completely seperate version of myth in trunk |
| [06:41:29] | kafkaCA: | ahh |
| [06:41:55] | iamlindoro_: | You should try reverting to 19435 |
| [06:42:42] | kafkaCA: | k. that includes a back-rev of the database schema as well i guess |
| [06:42:48] | iamlindoro_: | Only thing I can see is a change in 19436 that changes mpegrecorder.cpp... can't see why it would cause your problem, but it's the closest thing I can see besides the -vid merge |
| [06:43:44] | iamlindoro_: | I expect your problem was caused by 19436, so you can try 19435, see if it works, then move to 19436 and see what happens |
| [06:44:05] | kafkaCA: | ok. i'm hoping i still have the backup of the sql for the old schema :-/ purged a bunch of stuff over the holiday before i noticed that the 500 card wasn't working |
| [06:45:00] | kafkaCA: | thanks! i'll play around with that and if it's the case, i'll open a ticket |
| [06:45:40] | iamlindoro_: | good luck |
| [06:46:50] | kafkaCA: | thanks for the help (and the coding--i'm just a hack user :) gotten complacent with how good the trunk code is and upgraded w/o exploring the -vid merge in detail |
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| [07:37:16] | kafkaCA: | hi again iamlindoro |
| [07:37:45] | kafkaCA: | 19435 still has the ivtv pvr500 issue.. gonna have to keep going back further i guess to figure out where it started |
| [07:44:56] | kafkaCA: | getting "RingBuf(/mythtv/recordings/1003_20090104233900.mpg) Erro |
| [07:44:56] | kafkaCA: | r: Invalid file descriptor in 'safe_read()'" in the backend |
| [07:45:30] | kafkaCA: | and just above it in the log: |
| [07:45:33] | kafkaCA: | "RingBuf(/mythtv/recordings/1003_20090104233900.mpg): Inv |
| [07:45:33] | kafkaCA: | alid file (fd -1) when opening '/mythtv/recordings/1003_20090104233900.mpg'." |
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| [08:11:34] | test1: | hello, is there away to increase quality of a recording ? |
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| [08:22:08] | test1: | ? please |
| [08:25:04] | styelz: | turn off transcoding |
| [08:25:26] | test1: | nice ty |
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| [08:29:50] | test1: | and.. if tv reception is not good for a canal, can I apply a filter or how can i clean image ? where can i find filters ? |
| [08:30:16] | test1: | canal=channel .. sry |
| [08:34:48] | styelz: | i think you will find the info here http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Using_playback_filters |
| [08:34:50] | styelz: | i dont know |
| [08:35:12] | test1: | ty i check :) |
| [08:37:43] | test1: | thats perfect ty |
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| [09:25:45] | hot_wheelz: | what the state of Blu Ray playback on Linux is like at the moment. How's the MythTV support? |
| [09:26:26] | troldrik: | awful |
| [09:27:12] | hot_wheelz: | troldirk non existant then? |
| [09:27:49] | troldrik: | Use a java app to dump to hd/pipe to player, then guess at what .ts file contains your movie and hope it's not a multistream one. |
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| [09:28:26] | troldrik: | Not quite... but it's a PITA. |
| [09:29:08] | directhex: | there's nothing silky-smooth like a libdvdcss yet |
| [09:29:44] | directhex: | although, FUSE would potentially work – said java app could present a FUSE filesystem with "unencrypted" files in it (and it could decrypt on-demand, assuming the mhz) |
| [09:30:11] | troldrik: | There is a libaacskeys, should be relatively easy to add a AES decrypt function. |
| [09:30:34] | hot_wheelz: | k |
| [09:31:30] | troldrik: | But there's no freely available info on the bluray on disc structures, so know what files to play, or even... display the hdmv menus. |
| [09:31:50] | troldrik: | so you know* |
| [09:34:07] | troldrik: | The crypto is really the easier bit... doom9 people have cracked aacs and bd+ and there's even semi-complete bd+ c library. |
| [09:37:22] | directhex: | i like my FUSE idea. anydvd-style access to encrypted disks, so players would not only need no knowledge of encryption, but not even knowledge of decryption libs to delegate |
| [09:40:59] | troldrik: | Is there a fuse udf >2.50 plugin you could base it on? |
| [09:45:01] | troldrik: | google isn't finding much. |
| [09:47:19] | troldrik: | directhex: I like it too... may have to steal it. |
| [09:47:25] | directhex: | would you need one? does any of the decryption need to be done at block level, or is it done at file level? |
| [09:47:41] | directhex: | i'm sure you could nick the kernel udf code if need be and FUSEify it |
| [09:47:59] | troldrik: | directhex: Well, you'd have to expose the fs data when it's FUSE. |
| [09:48:32] | troldrik: | It's not Block Device in UserspacE. :p |
| [09:48:44] | directhex: | sure, but you could use the already-mounted mountpoint as input, if all you need is access to the files |
| [09:49:19] | directhex: | if you feel particularly vile, you could re-use the java decryption tool's code and hack in some FUSE-J |
| [09:49:29] | troldrik: | D: |
| [09:49:46] | troldrik: | Easier just to translate the code to c. |
| [09:50:15] | directhex: | but not as delightfully perverse |
| [09:50:19] | troldrik: | How hard could it be (TM) |
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| [10:04:19] | academy: | When I turn on XvMC on an FX5200 the video seems to quiver – it moves up and down by one pixel every frame. Any idea why? Deinterlacing is on. |
| [10:06:46] | directhex: | which deinterlacer? |
| [10:11:22] | academy: | directhex: bob 2x |
| [10:11:35] | academy: | That's a point; should have tried it off |
| [10:12:32] | directhex: | why do you think it's called "bob"? |
| [10:13:07] | directhex: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deinterlacing#Fi . . . einterlacing |
| [10:14:27] | academy: | directhex: heh, I never realised that! |
| [10:14:30] | academy: | cheers |
| [10:16:33] | academy: | One other question – is there a vsync option in the menus somewhere? I compiled it in, but I can't find it. |
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| [10:52:21] | justinh: | tv playback profiles, no doubt |
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| [11:24:10] | justinh: | heheh. the Humax Freesat PVR can't delete a recorded show while it's recording anything. Whoops |
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| [11:24:39] | directhex: | justinh, moar mhz! |
| [11:30:44] | justinh: | don't think it's an issue of cpu speed. prolly just dumb software |
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| [11:37:23] | directhex: | justinh, depends how you define dumb, really |
| [11:37:34] | directhex: | justinh, could be an issue with lack of IO, which isn't worked around in software |
| [11:48:09] | justinh: | it can record tw shows & play back another at the same time, so I doubt it's IO |
| [11:48:13] | justinh: | *two |
| [12:01:08] | test1: | justinh: (or anyone :) i have a lil pb .. can u help me please ? i try to do this : in myth, "External streams can be imported even if you don't have the Freebox modem, thanks to the VOD functions of VLC.", using this info : http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/1704/freebox.readme |
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| [12:03:14] | test1: | (if i write commands on terminal, it says me that vlc.vod.conf doesnt exists .. what am i supposed to do ? anyone knows ? please? |
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| [12:31:03] | psofa: | 8600 or 9400 for vdpau? 9400 seems overpriced or im i missing something? |
| [12:32:56] | troldrik: | 9400 is a motherboard chipset... or are they finally selling g98 cards? |
| [12:34:18] | troldrik: | Ah.. there are 9400gt cards. |
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| [12:37:12] | psofa: | well i can see standalone 9400's |
| [12:38:18] | troldrik: | 9500gt is supposed to replace the 8600, you might consider too. |
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| [12:40:35] | psofa: | troldrik, you are right ill probabply get that |
| [12:41:46] | directhex: | nvidia are taking an inordinate amount of time t squeeze a consumer-grade part from their GTX series |
| [12:42:22] | troldrik: | q3 according to the rumour sites. |
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| [12:42:43] | troldrik: | directhex: They're late with the 55nm shrink too. |
| [12:43:27] | troldrik: | psofa: But... 9400 MIGHT support vc-1 with the current drivers... can't find the supported vc-1 card list atm. :/ |
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| [12:45:27] | troldrik: | http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.ph . . . ghlight=vc-1 |
| [12:45:31] | troldrik: | nvm. |
| [12:46:28] | troldrik: | But all the cards do vc-1 on windows... so I don't see why they won't eventually will fix it on lunix too. |
| [12:46:59] | justinh: | is vc-1 really that big a deal if you can transcode to h.264 anyway? |
| [12:47:29] | troldrik: | uh.. |
| [12:47:48] | troldrik: | You want to transcode that vc-1 bd before playback? |
| [12:47:52] | troldrik: | "I'm not really familiar enough with our marketing names to say for certain. I get confused by them. However, as far as I can tell, "certain 8400" is probably your best bet." |
| [12:47:57] | jduggan: | justinh: well... depends if you want realtime, or wait 23402034230 hours :| |
| [12:48:06] | troldrik: | From an nvidia employee. |
| [12:48:34] | justinh: | you can't play BD in linux directly yet anyway, so the point is rather moot |
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| [12:55:15] | psofa: | troldrik, VC-1 support in NVIDIA's VDPAU implementation currently requires GeForce |
| [12:55:15] | psofa: | 9300 GS, GeForce 9200M GS, GeForce 9300M GS, or GeForce 9300M GS. |
| [12:55:30] | psofa: | besides i dont need vc-1 |
| [12:55:54] | psofa: | all i need is h264 for rips and dvb-s/dvb-s2 |
| [12:56:59] | troldrik: | Right, then any g84 cards will do. |
| [12:57:04] | troldrik: | g84+* |
| [12:58:07] | troldrik: | Apparently the only pci-e x16 card that'll do vc-1 is a g98 based 8400gs and the only way to tell is where it claims pci-e 2.0 support. :/ |
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| [13:01:24] | GreyFoxx: | No, not as simple as g84 and aboe |
| [13:02:20] | GreyFoxx: | my 8500 gt (g86) does not support it, my 8400gs (g98) does |
| [13:02:34] | troldrik: | No h.264? |
| [13:03:33] | GreyFoxx: | h264 main and high yes |
| [13:03:37] | GreyFoxx: | vc-1 no |
| [13:03:54] | troldrik: | Which was my point.. |
| [13:03:54] | troldrik: | 13:55 < psofa> all i need is h264 for rips and dvb-s/dvb-s2 |
| [13:04:14] | psofa: | :) |
| [13:04:38] | GreyFoxx: | ok, I thought you meant any g84+ for vc-1, didn't realize you were responding to psofa |
| [13:04:54] | GreyFoxx: | thought you were continuing your own set of statements on the subject :) |
| [13:06:59] | troldrik: | And nvidia is going to make it even more confusing: http://www.tcmagazine.com/comments.php?showne . . . &catid=6 |
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| [13:08:28] | justinh: | talk in terms of specific product names why don't they? |
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| [13:37:42] | Similian: | Short Questions: |
| [13:37:55] | Similian: | Can I do Video On Demand with MythTV ? |
| [13:38:15] | Similian: | (Youtube, Apple VOD ... other VOD services / IP TV ) |
| [13:38:54] | Similian: | I realized there is no use for a receiver in my place |
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| [13:42:46] | Ryushin: | Is there any work on when there might be a feature freeze so we can see a new release? |
| [13:43:41] | directhex: | Similian, there's a youtube plugin... generally speaking though, a service needs to be functional enough to work under loonicks |
| [13:43:48] | directhex: | which, e.g., apple drm is not |
| [13:43:56] | GreyFoxx: | Ryushin: Nope |
| [13:44:06] | GreyFoxx: | at This point it hasn't been discussed |
| [13:44:44] | Ryushin: | Okay. Just wondering. Myth finally has all the features in SVN that I want. Just looking when I can starting running a general release instead of svn. |
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| [13:45:07] | Similian: | :D nice one |
| [13:45:59] | Similian: | is the svn not stable |
| [13:46:23] | GreyFoxx: | svn trunk is expected to have instabilities |
| [13:46:32] | GreyFoxx: | but for me it works like a charm |
| [13:46:40] | GreyFoxx: | svn -fixes is espected to be stable |
| [13:46:47] | Similian: | just the usual |
| [13:46:53] | Similian: | thanks |
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| [13:50:47] | clever: | GreyFoxx: i found a weird problem in my mythtranscode |
| [13:51:05] | clever: | Floating point exception (core dumped) |
| [13:51:28] | clever: | int percentage = curFrameNum * 100 / new_frame_count; |
| [13:51:37] | clever: | it feels like the new_frame_count is 0 |
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| [13:52:35] | Ryushin: | GreyFoxx: What is svn -fixes? |
| [13:52:55] | Ryushin: | I just do svn update from the myth trunk and run that? |
| [13:54:36] | GreyFoxx: | Ryushin: -fixes is not a released tarbal, it's a svn branch |
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| [13:55:00] | GreyFoxx: | so when I say svn -fixes I'm refrerring to the actually branch and not someone packagers package |
| [13:55:14] | GreyFoxx: | and not you can't just flip between them :) |
| [13:55:36] | Ryushin: | I wasn't aware of that. What is the difference between the the fixes branch and the general trunk? Besides one has fixes in it. :) |
| [13:55:42] | gbee: | 0.21-fixes |
| [13:55:55] | GreyFoxx: | -fixes is the release + bug fixes that get backported |
| [13:56:01] | GreyFoxx: | no new features |
| [13:56:05] | Ryushin: | Right, but not new features. |
| [13:56:15] | GreyFoxx: | and as time goes on after a release the do become vrydifferent |
| [13:56:40] | justinh: | whoah. thetvdb.com artowk also has vignettes |
| [13:57:00] | Ryushin: | Yea, I want to run the new fixes when it's released. All the core features exist that I wanted are in SVN. when that goes to a final release, I'll move to the release plus fixes branch. |
| [13:57:34] | troldrik: | What's so shiny and new in trunk? |
| [13:57:52] | justinh: | viddypow! |
| [13:57:53] | justinh: | viddypow! |
| [13:58:12] | justinh: | hd-pvr support and lest we forget mythui |
| [13:58:14] | GreyFoxx: | QT4, mythui, vdpau, hdpvr is coming along, atons of fixes that are not in -fixes, newer ffmpeg so moe decoding capablilities |
| [13:58:29] | GreyFoxx: | and who knows what else |
| [13:58:46] | troldrik: | oh vdpau is the big one I guess. |
| [13:59:28] | GreyFoxx: | I've been using the VDPAU video renderer (not decoding) since last night and it's pretty sweet. And a nice good looking fullscreen OSD no matter what content I play |
| [13:59:32] | directhex: | POW! |
| [13:59:45] | troldrik: | vdpau has osd now? |
| [14:00:09] | GreyFoxx: | TROLLZILLA-: Has since fist came to myth |
| [14:00:21] | TROLLZILLA-: | hey |
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| [14:00:33] | ** TROLLZILLA- owns a mythbox :P ** | |
| [14:00:38] | GreyFoxx: | oops troldril I meant :) |
| [14:00:47] | TROLLZILLA-: | heh |
| [14:00:53] | troldrik: | Huh... didn't in the trunks I compiled. :/ |
| [14:01:12] | TROLLZILLA-: | i think my pvr150 is toast |
| [14:01:14] | GreyFoxx: | troldrik: IT's been there since the first commit with vdpau support |
| [14:01:17] | TROLLZILLA-: | getting bad shake images |
| [14:01:21] | TROLLZILLA-: | maybe it's the pci slot |
| [14:01:37] | TROLLZILLA-: | takes so much time and effort to make the perfect mythbox |
| [14:01:42] | troldrik: | GreyFoxx: I guess I must have missed config option. |
| [14:02:07] | troldrik: | +a |
| [14:05:25] | justinh: | ruh? how does thetvdb.com have info for shows that haven't even aired yet? |
| [14:06:01] | justinh: | duh. they don't. hahaha. just the air dates |
| [14:09:03] | Similian: | debian and myth tv no problem ? |
| [14:12:48] | gbee: | mythtv no problem .... |
| [14:13:10] | Similian: | aight thanks i will set it up RIGHT NOW |
| [14:13:18] | Similian: | sorry bit excited |
| [14:13:32] | troldrik: | Don't worry... it won't last. :) |
| [14:13:35] | GreyFoxx: | hmmm the nvidia 180.18 seems a little crashtastic compared to the earlier ones |
| [14:13:54] | gbee: | I don't think I've got another theme in me, started to put some ideas into a mockup just now and I'm struggling |
| [14:13:57] | GreyFoxx: | a simple call to XCloseDisplay seems to randomly segfault |
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| [14:14:21] | gbee: | can't decide whether what I've got so far is original or ugly |
| [14:14:41] | Similian: | screenshub? |
| [14:15:43] | GreyFoxx: | gbee: Lately I've been pondering anew OSD. not sure I could make it through a whole theme :) |
| [14:16:46] | Similian: | i would like a minimal osd |
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| [14:16:55] | Similian: | like the appltv one |
| [14:16:56] | gbee: | at this stage I'm not sure I have the time for a complete theme, but I really want to do something using mythui |
| [14:17:18] | GreyFoxx: | well your examples like the aeon movie info clone will be useful |
| [14:19:07] | justinh: | I would like, I would like, I would like :) |
| [14:19:12] | justinh: | here's my list.... |
| [14:20:21] | GreyFoxx: | http://www.aeonproject.com/images/gallery/aeon_movieshowcase.jpg That looks linda nifty. assuming the navigating was an animated moving of the covers and some audio bling heh |
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| [14:21:20] | Similian: | where is the list |
| [14:21:22] | Similian: | ? |
| [14:21:39] | Similian: | erm |
| [14:21:39] | GreyFoxx: | Similian: he was being sarcastic :) |
| [14:21:46] | Similian: | O rly ? |
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| [14:22:07] | Similian: | Whats that magnificent showcase thing ? |
| [14:23:30] | Similian: | what is AEON by the way? |
| [14:23:43] | GreyFoxx: | It's an XBMC theme |
| [14:24:47] | Similian: | not xbox media center? |
| [14:25:17] | Similian: | ok |
| [14:25:19] | Similian: | thanks |
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| [14:36:24] | justinh: | if you want to see a list of I WANT I WANT I WANT I WANT – look at the feature request pages in the wiki. they're truly sickening |
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| [15:30:09] | sphery: | iamlindoro: says Udo, "I don't want to disrupt the current setup." = "It's not worth my time to find the alleged memory leak when I can just complain on the lists..." |
| [15:31:17] | iamlindoro: | wondering if there's a longer response to me forthcoming ;) |
| [15:35:33] | justinh: | I heard he was buying a plane ticket |
| [15:35:50] | sphery: | iamlindoro: that's his modus operandi |
| [15:35:58] | laga: | is this on users? |
| [15:36:17] | sphery: | (the longer response, that is, haven't heard confirmation of the plane ticket approach) |
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| [15:39:59] | laga: | sphery: where is that thread? -dev or -users? |
| [15:40:32] | justinh: | -users |
| [15:40:52] | justinh: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/364382 |
| [15:41:24] | laga: | thanks |
| [15:41:28] | laga: | i couldn't find it |
| [15:41:38] | laga: | but i also forgot the way to school today. |
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| [15:43:03] | d0netsFN: | hey im having trouble when i click .asx stream in mythweb |
| [15:43:04] | d0netsFN: | Internal Server Error The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. Please contact the server administrator, webmaster@localhost and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error. More information about this error may be available in the server error log. |
| [15:43:05] | d0netsFN: | Apache/2.2.9 (Ubuntu) PHP/5.2.6–2ubuntu4 with Suhosin-Patch Server at hebs.doesntexist.org Port 80 |
| [15:43:11] | sphery: | iamlindoro: and your wait is over... |
| [15:43:22] | d0netsFN: | any idears? |
| [15:44:11] | justinh: | d0netsFN: looked in /var/log/apache2/error.log ? and have you read the mythweb docs? |
| [15:44:26] | d0netsFN: | where are the mythweb docs |
| [15:44:38] | ** justinh sighs ** | |
| [15:44:47] | d0netsFN: | im newb gimme a break |
| [15:44:52] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Hahahahhahahaha |
| [15:45:01] | d0netsFN: | i hate cunts that thing because they know things that people who dont are dumb |
| [15:45:05] | laga: | that thread is pure gold |
| [15:45:06] | d0netsFN: | i just installed myth like a week ago |
| [15:45:22] | d0netsFN: | i am just now getting a chance to set it up |
| [15:45:33] | laga: | wee, "cunts" |
| [15:45:43] | sphery: | laga: it's at least his 4th thread claiming the sky is falling--I mean that mythbackend leaks memory--with no proof to data |
| [15:45:48] | iamlindoro: | sphery: I'm not even going to respond, just going to let his response hang out there |
| [15:45:56] | sphery: | best approach |
| [15:46:01] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Think his response speaks for itself |
| [15:46:06] | sphery: | yep |
| [15:46:35] | d0netsFN: | think* |
| [15:46:44] | justinh: | looking fwd to reading the archive when it's updated |
| [15:47:12] | laga: | justinh: me too |
| [15:47:46] | iamlindoro_: | should already be on the pipermail archive |
| [15:47:55] | laga: | pipermail is scary |
| [15:48:30] | iamlindoro_: | sphery, I can't even parse what he means by "I *DID* run valgrind and it didn't work as intended" |
| [15:48:44] | iamlindoro_: | and "so the sofwtare didn't perform as normal so valgrind couldn't detect anything" |
| [15:48:47] | sphery: | I was seriously considering sending a reply to his, "I don't want to disrupt the current setup," post saying, "So, who do you recommend should disrupt their current setup to perform the test to see where the alleged memory leak that only /you/ are experiencing is occurring." |
| [15:49:45] | iamlindoro_: | sphery, ah, but he'd just respond with "It's not just MY problem. It's the general situation with MythTV, didn't you get that? It leaks. A little and more for some. I want to help to cure that. I posted some constructive ideas. Didn't you notice that?" |
| [15:49:54] | sphery: | he was saying he ran it and didn't have enough patience--I mean RAM--so Myth didn't record anything |
| [15:49:57] | iamlindoro_: | (for those who haven't read it, that's a direct quote) |
| [15:50:07] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
| [15:50:10] | shadash: | I support customers all day and I always find it funny when customers argue that it's my problem even when I prove that 100's of other people are able to run the software with out an issue |
| [15:50:25] | shadash: | the same software |
| [15:50:43] | shadash: | I think it's just a lack of understanding |
| [15:50:45] | ** sid3windr reads thread ** | |
| [15:51:21] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: if not for a power failure 27 days ago, I'd have posted my memory usage with a large uptime value |
| [15:51:23] | justinh: | mythtv leaks so much memory that it stays up & working for months & months on end within the confines of 512MB RAM at home :-\ |
| [15:51:38] | sphery: | justinh: yeah |
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| [15:51:53] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: oh, and the patch he's using increases the maximum allowed number of virtual tuners |
| [15:51:53] | justinh: | I think the guy has forgotten about his 'FTA' claims he made earlier |
| [15:52:02] | shadash: | I admit to being "stupid-stubborn" every once in a while but I try to back my stance up with hard proof |
| [15:52:15] | iamlindoro_: | sphery, But I'm *sure* that could have nothing to do with it *eyeroll* |
| [15:52:26] | sphery: | no, way it could be involved |
| [15:52:37] | iamlindoro_: | well punctuated, that |
| [15:52:59] | sphery: | typo that had more meaning than I realized |
| [15:53:24] | justinh: | the amount of virtual tuners might have a bearing on things.. it should only have been a line character change anyway.. not really what I'd call a patch |
| [15:54:16] | iamlindoro_: | justinh, Not sure I trust him to change it the right way |
| [15:54:16] | d0netsFN: | ok |
| [15:54:17] | sphery: | yeah, the guy says, "I start up Myth and it uses X memory. Then after it has started recording from my plethora of virtual tuners, it's using Y memory (where Y > X). Therefore, it's a memory leak." |
| [15:54:25] | d0netsFN: | lemme pastebin the end of this log |
| [15:54:43] | d0netsFN: | http://pastebin.com/m7691dd65 |
| [15:54:48] | sid3windr: | sphery: so malloc(BOATLOADS) at start ;) |
| [15:54:49] | iamlindoro_: | I did get an offlist "hear hear!" so I'm clearly not alone |
| [15:54:56] | iamlindoro_: | (and obviously people here agree) |
| [15:54:57] | sid3windr: | do this with magic parameter --noleaks |
| [15:55:21] | justinh: | the scheduler will be taxing the system much more than only having 2 tuners but... |
| [15:55:25] | sphery: | danielk has already told him that each virtual tuner takes Z amount of memory, but he still claims it's a memory leak when I'll bet he's just using X + Z * <virtual tuners> (where it doesn't all show up immediately as the virtual tuners aren't all used immediately) |
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| [15:55:47] | iamlindoro_: | anyway, off to work |
| [15:55:52] | justinh: | cut him off the mailing lists :) |
| [15:55:54] | iamlindoro_: | blah :( |
| [15:55:57] | justinh: | kindest to the community :) |
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| [15:56:20] | sphery: | agreed |
| [15:56:40] | justinh: | sphery: he was the guy who was muttering about 'FTA patches' originally wasn't he? |
| [15:57:03] | sphery: | I don't remember |
| [15:57:10] | sphery: | Wasn't that VCR Addict? |
| [15:57:17] | justinh: | duh yes it was. my bad |
| [15:57:21] | justinh: | hometime :) |
| [15:57:52] | sphery: | still, he's recording every show on 3 or 4 channels, so I'll bet there's more to his system than he's letting on |
| [15:58:04] | sphery: | he may just be smarter than VCR Addict about what info he lets on |
| [15:58:09] | sphery: | s/on/out/ |
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| [15:58:56] | d0netsFN: | so any ideas why i cant stream via .asx? |
| [15:58:58] | d0netsFN: | from mythweb |
| [16:00:24] | sphery: | d0netsFN: Your Perl Myth bindigns are improperly installed/broken: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6050 |
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| [16:03:31] | d0netsFN: | hrmm |
| [16:03:37] | d0netsFN: | so im a bit confused, how do i resolve the issue |
| [16:05:48] | d0netsFN: | they attached a mythweb.conf do i need to replace mine? |
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| [16:07:04] | d0netsFN: | if so, which one? |
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| [16:07:15] | d0netsFN: | i did locate mythweb.conf and i see a few |
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| [16:12:03] | d0netsFN: | sphery? |
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| [16:22:23] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro_: I don't know if I told you – got my FC10 system built up, scanned ATSC, but it won't display any video... something is foobar... [X and myth gui shows fine, just no video, even using 'mplayer' externally] |
| [16:22:50] | directhex: | J-e-f-f-A|work, xv is working? |
| [16:24:13] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | directhex: tbqh, I'm not 100% sure... I was fiddling with it yesterday and just shut it down and went to bed... I'll have a look at it again tonight. Using the nvidia beta drivers – 180 iirc... in an attempt to get vdpau working w/it... |
| [16:25:08] | directhex: | POW |
| [16:26:17] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work gorans ** | |
| [16:27:46] | gbee: | any good? http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/newtheme.png |
| [16:27:58] | sphery: | d0netsFN: no, don't use that mythweb.conf--it was posted by the reporter to show his config. Just fix your perl bindings and it will magically start working. |
| [16:28:46] | iamlindoro___: | gbee: I like it |
| [16:29:03] | sphery: | d0netsFN: how to fix your perl bindings is left as an exercise to the reader (i.e. talk to people using the same distro/packages as you, find out what the package/package manager app is doing wrong, then find and apply a fix) |
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| [16:30:06] | iamlindoro___: | gbee: Something I noticed last night-- can't break out the description/subtitle as seperate items in the PBB right now |
| [16:30:18] | gbee: | I'm not really sure about it at all :/ |
| [16:30:26] | gbee: | iamlindoro__: yes you can |
| [16:30:26] | sphery: | gbee: nice |
| [16:32:14] | iamlindoro___: | gbee: ah, I guess I assumed the "description" name was hardcoded, guess it can be named anything but needs <value>%DESCRIPTION%</value> etc? |
| [16:32:40] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | directhex: Just a test box I'm setting up with trunk and a new nvidia card to actually start to contribute to development... [about time, eh?] ;-) |
| [16:32:54] | gbee: | <textarea name="subtitle"> |
| [16:33:26] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | gbee: Looks nice! |
| [16:33:27] | gbee: | description will, by default contain just the description, but the <value>% stuff can override that |
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| [16:35:19] | iamlindoro___: | gbee: yeah, just needed you to make me think about it a second time and it "clicked" :) |
| [16:35:49] | iamlindoro___: | anyway, with that minor change, this is done: http://www.fecitfacta.com/theme-PBB-round2.png |
| [16:36:08] | gbee: | cool |
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| [16:37:13] | iamlindoro___: | gbee: Maybe something to delineate the plot from the title in your browser? A line, etc? |
| [16:38:06] | gbee: | maybe, I'll keep playing with it |
| [16:38:24] | gbee: | better idea might suddenly come to me |
| [16:38:24] | iamlindoro___: | gbee: also noticed last night that there seems to be some built in blur stuff with QImage, have you looked at any of that for the overlay blur effect? |
| [16:38:43] | gbee: | no I haven |
| [16:38:56] | iamlindoro___: | (I know special effects are taking a back seat right now, just curious) |
| [16:39:34] | gbee: | chances are that it just blurs the foreground image which doesn't achieve the frosted glass effect, at least I don't think that it does ... |
| [16:40:08] | gbee: | ignore me, I can see how it might be done |
| [16:41:04] | gbee: | iamlindoro: can you point out this blur stuff? |
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| [16:44:10] | iamlindoro___: | Lemme see if I can find it again |
| [16:44:25] | iamlindoro___: | On my work PC so no history to look at |
| [16:45:26] | iamlindoro___: | There's lots in kimageeffect.h but that sounds like another KDE dep if you were to use that-- saw an actual qt tutorial on gaussian blur, though |
| [16:45:44] | iamlindoro___: | Still, this is kind of sexy: http://kde.eng.lsu.edu/mirrors/kdeweb/sites/a . . . eEffect.html |
| [16:48:06] | iamlindoro___: | Another one I found but not the one I read last night: http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2008/08/01/ol . . . radial-blur/ |
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| [17:03:23] | Maxeypad: | Just curious, what is the easiest remote to setup for use with mythtv? |
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| [17:06:10] | gbee: | I don't know that one is any easier than another, but a lot of people like the MCE remote for it's near perfect design and USB IR receiver |
| [17:06:31] | jams: | streamzap is also a good choice |
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| [17:07:15] | jduggan: | i use the mce, it is ease |
| [17:07:23] | shadash: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Generic_ . . . E%22_Remotes |
| [17:07:39] | jduggan: | nice butttons.. the one i was using previously (hauppauge one), was rubbish |
| [17:11:23] | shadash: | I've been keeping my eye out for a small bluetooth keyboard mouse combo with a charging stand |
| [17:12:44] | shadash: | this would be ideal but they don't make them any more http://www.pocketnow.com/index.php?a=portal_d . . . s&id=725 |
| [17:14:17] | shadash: | here's another neat one http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem . . . nk:middle:us |
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| [17:17:58] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Maxeypad: I concur with all the other MCE suggestions — specifically the "Microsoft RC6" is what will give you the best results via an ebay search... [make sure you get the receiver too] |
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| [17:28:24] | kslater: | I had a drive begin to go bad, so I used rsync to copy all the bits to a new (slightly larger) drive with things in mostly the same positions. When I go to boot it I get the typical POST stuff then: |
| [17:28:24] | kslater: | GRUB |
| [17:28:52] | kslater: | anyone want to take a shot at what's gone wrong? |
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| [17:30:39] | shadash: | grab a knoppix/live cd boot to it and see if you can mount the drive |
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| [17:30:57] | shadash: | if you can mount the drive the data is good |
| [17:31:01] | kslater: | I can mount the drive – I use MythDora and it has a rescue mode |
| [17:31:07] | kslater: | seems like everything is there |
| [17:31:13] | jams: | kslater- are you trying to boot from the new harddrive? |
| [17:31:19] | kslater: | yes |
| [17:31:52] | kslater: | and the root partition (/) is in an LVM2 partition like it was on the old – now dead – drive |
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| [17:32:05] | shadash: | *might* need to rerun grub to reload it |
| [17:32:24] | shadash: | so it sees the new location of the copied kernel on the new drive |
| [17:32:25] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | shadash: That little KB is pretty neat – but looks like a jumbo remote turned sideways. I doubt I could touch-type on it... ;-) |
| [17:32:30] | squish102: | Maxeypad i went through 3 or 4 remotes and different ir receivers, then got a M$ MCE remote, and it was plug and play |
| [17:32:41] | kslater: | thought of that, I can get grub to complete successfully after chrooting to the mounted partitions |
| [17:33:16] | kslater: | so grub-install /dev/sda reports no errors |
| [17:33:23] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | shadash: A buddy of mine has a small laptop-sized bluetooth wireless keboard with touch pad too – very nice, I'll see if I can find it on fleabay... |
| [17:33:42] | shadash: | Jeff: I've been watching pretty closely |
| [17:33:57] | shadash: | I still haven't seen anything |
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| [17:34:20] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | shadash: the 1st one you posted is up on fleabay for $75... |
| [17:34:24] | shadash: | most of the bluetooth stuff is designed to work with cell phones for business travelers |
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| [17:34:47] | shadash: | buy it if you can it was only sold in the UK |
| [17:35:14] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | shadash: Well, his came with a usb adapter, which presented it as a standard keyboard, even works at POST. |
| [17:35:30] | shadash: | that would be nice |
| [17:36:00] | shadash: | I like my myth frontend to also work as a general gnome desktop computer |
| [17:37:00] | shadash: | I wish there was some kind of small thumbpad type keyboard/mouse combo with a charge station. |
| [17:37:13] | shadash: | that would be ideal |
| [17:39:04] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | shadash: ooh, this looks pretty nice: http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Slim-USB-2-4G-Wireles . . . 390013890383 |
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| [17:39:30] | shadash: | That is SWEET! |
| [17:40:43] | shadash: | thanks for the link I'm gonna buy it (or one like that) |
| [17:41:27] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | shadash: I just looked for "wireless keyboard" ... and paged through all the stuff... |
| [17:41:45] | shadash: | maybe I was fixated on it being bluetooth |
| [17:41:51] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | shadash: since a search for "Mini Wireless keyboard" didn't turn up much... |
| [17:42:05] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | shadash: yeah, well fleabay's search leaves alot to be desired... |
| [17:43:19] | shadash: | did you notice the Xorg key? |
| [17:43:27] | shadash: | that's kinda wild |
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| [17:43:43] | shadash: | it's below the trackball |
| [17:44:23] | shadash: | probably meant for MS Excel and Word |
| [17:45:06] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | shadash: Yeah, it's the 'excel' "X"... ;-) |
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| [17:45:40] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | shadash: the receiver fits in a slot under the KB for storage... that's nifty. |
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| [17:46:35] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | shadash: I'd have a little bit of an issue typing though as the quote key is re-located... |
| [17:47:10] | shadash: | black keyboards get annoying at night if they're not lit up |
| [17:47:36] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | shadash: Ah, so you're not a touch-typist then... ;-) |
| [17:47:47] | shadash: | ;-) |
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| [17:50:21] | gbee: | iamlindoro: added that line plus a small tweak, might still reconsider the colour scheme but I was trying to go for something different |
| [17:52:39] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | shadash: This is more my stye... ;-) http://cgi.ebay.com/SONY-WIRELESS-KEYBOARD-AN . . . 0292138632QQ |
| [17:53:37] | shadash: | too big |
| [17:53:42] | shadash: | but interesting |
| [17:54:47] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | shadash: Ok, I found one that I really like: http://cgi.ebay.com/2-4GHz-Wireless-Slim-Keyb . . . 0316473068QQ |
| [17:55:20] | shadash: | I'm gonna have to do more searching |
| [17:55:54] | shadash: | -bluetooth |
| [17:56:01] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | shadash: All the 'regular' keys on that one ^^ are in the normal places... |
| [17:57:16] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | shadash: Check out the 'advanced search' utilities on ebay... and for a 'crash course', you can force words like bluetooth with a plus sign ie: "wireless keyboard +bluetooth" and mask stuff wita minus sign... |
| [17:57:19] | shadash: | looks like there's an on/off swith on the last on you linked |
| [17:57:40] | gbee: | http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/newtheme2.png |
| [17:57:46] | shadash: | that would be good for battery life |
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| [17:58:22] | iamlindoro___: | gbee: Oooh, nice! Should I expect a forthcoming RSS widget then? :) |
| [17:58:48] | gbee: | rss/alert popup has always been on the cards |
| [17:59:09] | iamlindoro___: | nice |
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| [17:59:21] | iamlindoro___: | Have to cut me some slack, I don't know what's in the cards :) |
| [18:02:29] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | shadash: I think this is the one my buddy has: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823166047 |
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| [18:05:38] | jduggan: | wtf, cbeebies thinks its channel4 after 6.30pm and cbbc thinks its film4 after 7.15pm, is this a grabber issue? the xmltvids are unique for each channel, and the callsigns are unique |
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| [18:07:06] | shadash: | too big |
| [18:07:32] | shadash: | and it's rf |
| [18:07:54] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | shadash: Bluetoothis RF as well... ;-) |
| [18:07:58] | shadash: | wait rf is good ir is bad |
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| [18:09:05] | shadash: | I've got too many acronyms in my head these days |
| [18:09:12] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | shadash: here ya go: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823126039 |
| [18:09:32] | shadash: | yea I was considering that one |
| [18:09:42] | shadash: | but it's kinda ugly |
| [18:09:54] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | shadash: Yeah. ;-) |
| [18:09:55] | shadash: | the whole clamshell design is weird |
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| [18:10:37] | shadash: | if they would have not included the clamshell part it would be decent |
| [18:10:39] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | shadash: I like the touchpad one I found... slightly on the large side, but at least all the keys are in the right place! |
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| [18:11:37] | shadash: | I like the first one you linked for me. I'm researching it right now |
| [18:12:35] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | shadash: yeah, I could live with that one for text entry on Myth... but would go crazy trying to use it to type something more lengthy... |
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| [18:19:44] | shadash: | oops |
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| [18:23:07] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | jamesd: If commflagging isn't working [reliably] for you, just set your skip-forward to 30 seconds, and skip-back to 10 secs. Works well for 'manually' skipping commericals... |
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| [18:33:17] | tomtom099: | hi everybody... are newbie questions allowed here? |
| [18:34:27] | shadash: | of course ;-) |
| [18:34:35] | gbee: | yes, but you are not allowed to ask if you can ask questions |
| [18:34:43] | tomtom099: | i am stuck before the channel scan :-( |
| [18:35:18] | shadash: | list all your hardware and the distro you installed |
| [18:35:29] | tomtom099: | mythtv seems unable to scan any channels, the scan tool ffrom dvb-utils did the job and created a channels.conf for me. Now i tried to import this in mythtv but it fails |
| [18:35:47] | tomtom099: | distro is mythbuntu 8.10 |
| [18:36:02] | tomtom099: | new installed on new hardware |
| [18:36:20] | tomtom099: | KNC one DVB-S card |
| [18:36:59] | Tomasu is now known as TomasuDlrrp | |
| [18:37:10] | tomtom099: | any ideas what to try next? |
| [18:37:43] | shadash: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/EIT |
| [18:38:06] | shadash: | and specifically "It seems that for some people EIT only works when channels have been scanned by MythTV (this has been reported to have been necessary by a DVB-T user in the UK and a DVB-C user in the Netherlands). Importing channels.conf doesn't provide enough information for MythTV to use EIT. " |
| [18:38:25] | iamlindoro___: | \ |
| [18:39:10] | tomtom099: | hm |
| [18:40:04] | tomtom099: | i'm not sure if I need any EIT at this stage... currently it does not recognize any channels at all (in mythtv-setup) |
| [18:40:26] | tomtom099: | Isnt EIT for the program guide information? |
| [18:40:38] | sid3windr: | mythtv crashed when I tried to import my channels.conf ;) |
| [18:41:10] | tomtom099: | it does not crash for me, it simply disregards the channels.conf and starts a scan anyway (with no result)9 |
| [18:41:24] | jduggan: | is there a way to reset key bindings to defaults? |
| [18:41:52] | shadash: | tomtom099: the person you want to speak with is iamlindoro |
| [18:42:31] | shadash: | I'm also assuming you're reviewed this link http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-S |
| [18:43:09] | sphery: | jduggan: shut down mythtv, backup DB, then DELETE FROM keybindings WHERE hostname = '<your hostname>'; |
| [18:43:12] | gbee: | jduggan: truncate the keybindings table? I'd back it up first but I think that would do the job |
| [18:43:45] | tomtom099: | shadash: no i havent seen this one yet :-) thanks (now reading) |
| [18:43:53] | sphery: | jduggan: might want to also do: DELETE FROM jumppoints WHERE hostname = '<your hostname>'; |
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| [18:43:58] | gbee: | jams is working on some ui tools for that sort of thing, but for now it means digging into the database |
| [18:45:00] | sphery: | tomtom099: what do you mean by, "mythtv seems unable to scan any channels"? What does it do? |
| [18:46:01] | jduggan: | sphery/gbee, thanks, ive somehow (well, more like, f****d it up) my key bindings, now 'm' doesnt bring up the menu for changing playback options(timestretch/aspect etc) and also lost the ability to hit 'g' to modify brightness/hue etc... these dont seem to be in the 'edit keys' settings? |
| [18:46:37] | sphery: | they're in there somewhere, but I have no idea which context |
| [18:46:39] | gbee: | they should be there |
| [18:46:51] | jduggan: | whats odd is that i checked back through all the options (including global), and 'm' or 'i' are not defined for any context/action |
| [18:47:01] | jduggan: | which are the default keys for above |
| [18:47:17] | tomtom099: | shadash: there was no new information... the scan inside mythtv seems unable to find anything :-( only the "scan" tool does |
| [18:47:18] | jduggan: | er |
| [18:47:21] | jduggan: | s/i/g/ |
| [18:47:32] | sphery: | tomtom099: are you scanning the right thing? |
| [18:47:39] | gbee: | "TV Playback" "ToggleChanControls" |
| [18:47:44] | sphery: | tomtom099: do you have the capture card properly configured in MythTV? |
| [18:47:47] | tomtom099: | I have tried full scan as well as tuned scan |
| [18:47:59] | iamlindoro___: | And are you feeding it the tuning data in the way it expects |
| [18:48:01] | iamlindoro___: | eg x 1000 |
| [18:48:03] | sphery: | and for what frequency table? |
| [18:48:11] | iamlindoro___: | 12224 = 12224000 |
| [18:48:14] | gbee: | MENU is under the Global context |
| [18:48:58] | tomtom099: | the card is recognized properly in mythtv, the frequency table is Western Europe, since I am from Germany |
| [18:49:23] | sphery: | and the card is set for the right standard (i.e. DVB-T or DVB-C or ...) |
| [18:49:43] | iamlindoro___: | frequency table doesn't really matter since you're using DVB-S |
| [18:49:48] | tomtom099: | yes, DVB-S, frequency for example 12187500 |
| [18:49:59] | iamlindoro___: | But you *do* need to feed the tuned scan the right format |
| [18:50:19] | iamlindoro___: | Need to get one transponder working, then you can go back and do a full scan of existing transponders and it will pick up the rest |
| [18:50:23] | tomtom099: | when using the scan tool from dvb-utils, is there any way to get it wrong? |
| [18:50:23] | sphery: | oh, I missed the dvb-s part... sorry |
| [18:51:33] | sphery: | iamlindoro___: dind't someone just write up a very good description of setting up DVB-S on the wiki? |
| [18:51:37] | tomtom099: | iamlindoro: could you give me some more detailed instructions for the part "get one transponder working" (how do I know when it's working?) and "go back and do a full scan" ? |
| [18:51:40] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-S |
| [18:51:56] | iamlindoro___: | sphery: Some numbskull ;) |
| [18:51:56] | gbee: | has he configured the lnb? |
| [18:52:07] | gbee: | that's usually the bit people overlook with DVB-S |
| [18:52:10] | iamlindoro___: | I happen to think the DVB-S wiki is a pretty good step by step |
| [18:52:19] | iamlindoro___: | (including the LNB setup) |
| [18:52:41] | tomtom099: | yes but these instructions never tell what to do when something is not working in the expected way :-((( I have read about 10 or 40 of these instructions now..... |
| [18:52:58] | sphery: | but did you read that one? |
| [18:53:26] | tomtom099: | it's on my screen at this moment... |
| [18:53:38] | sphery: | that one was written only about 2 weeks ago, so it's far more current (and likely done by a much more knowledgeable person) than many blog/distro wiki/forum/... entries. |
| [18:54:14] | gbee: | tomtom099: have you configured the card to use a standard LNB? |
| [18:54:30] | iamlindoro___: | I gotta run a drive to the data recovery folks, but I'll be back later if there are issues w/ anything there (but sounds like gbee's got it) |
| [18:55:01] | tomtom099: | i have only one LNB... what exactly do you mean gbee? |
| [18:55:30] | tomtom099: | the LNB type should be "UNIVERSAL" (at least i hope so -... how can I be sure?) |
| [18:56:18] | gbee: | I just mean did you go through that step in mythtv-setup of telling it to use a universal lnb? Since a lot of people miss that step out |
| [18:56:56] | gbee: | if you did, then good |
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| [18:58:23] | tomtom099: | dont know for sure... what is the default... OK i will try again and be extra sure to do this... |
| [18:59:30] | ** tomtom099 will be back in an hour or so... ** | |
| [19:00:15] | jduggan: | Uhh, "GuideGrid: You don't have any channels defined in teh database. Guide grid will have nothing to show you." yet i have lots in the Guide? what's this error about? (noticed it while tailing frontend logs looking for a different issue) |
| [19:01:02] | gbee: | ignore it if there isn't anything obviously wrong |
| [19:02:44] | jduggan: | Ok... also is the inability to scroll the contexts in edit keys, using metallurgy, just a ui limitation? |
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| [19:03:59] | jduggan: | i like the onscreen keyboard btw, who's the brains behind that |
| [19:04:58] | GreyFoxx: | gbee: is http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/newtheme.png a new theme you are working on ? |
| [19:06:33] | gbee: | GreyFoxx: maybe, I'm not too sure about it |
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| [19:07:08] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [19:07:20] | sid3windr: | he doesn't know if he's working on it :x |
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| [19:07:33] | gbee: | http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/newtheme2.png |
| [19:09:24] | gbee: | wanted to start a new theme and without any real thought or planning that's what I ended up with |
| [19:09:27] | GreyFoxx: | What do most of you use for creating the borders and such? something more complicated than gimp I assume ?:) |
| [19:09:38] | gbee: | Inkscape |
| [19:09:46] | GreyFoxx: | What do you use for the RSS feed stuff? Didn't know that was awidget |
| [19:11:55] | gbee: | well that's a mockup, but I'm planning an mythosd style alert/rss popup for 0.22 |
| [19:13:17] | gbee: | so in that mockup the rss stuff would just be a 50px high popup with no background set at the bottom of the screen |
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| [19:14:00] | GreyFoxx: | What do you think about a couple widgets that execute a scriptand display the output? A bool widget tht displays an icon for a 0 and a different for if the return is a 1? Or another tan just displays the first line of text? They could even hav atimer to rerun every X seconds as defined in the theme |
| [19:14:12] | gbee: | with scrolling text, displaying rss/phone/system errors and whatever the user sends to the frontend through mythosd |
| [19:14:14] | GreyFoxx: | and the script would have to be located under the themes directory |
| [19:14:43] | GreyFoxx: | or one hat displays a series of icons depnding on the returned numeric value |
| [19:16:55] | gbee: | GreyFoxx: no problem with any of that, only as I was explaining to iamlindoro the other day, I wouldn't implement those as low level widgets but instead special popups or similar which use the existing widgets |
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| [19:18:54] | gbee: | when I say popups, what I mean in the context of mythui is more akin to layers |
| [19:19:09] | GreyFoxx: | ahhh ok. I was confused for a sec ;) |
| [19:21:37] | gbee: | one of the basic intents behind mythui was to make the core UI code easier to maintain, less cluttered and easier to theme, so that means not having special purpose ui types |
| [19:23:55] | gbee: | we have things like statetypes which can display different text/images dependant on state – whether that's boolean or otherwise, a 'widget' which executes a script and displays the results is better implemented as a screen or within a screen if it's specific to a particular location |
| [19:28:02] | GreyFoxx: | That could be quite useful |
| [19:28:55] | jduggan: | eh, in recording playback is there a setting along the lines of 'play with skipped commercials'? my recordings auto commflag, recording status shows a recording as having flagged 5 commercials but playback doesnt skip them. (this worked as expected before i upgraded) :P |
| [19:29:24] | jduggan: | (hate upgradin btw) :P |
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| [19:29:39] | endeavormac: | i have a friend who just set up mythtv and he has an external hard drive full of movies and such. how can i modify the paths to media so they point to his external hard drive? |
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| [19:30:19] | Anduin: | jduggan: No, but you can enable automatic skip in the frontend settings |
| [19:30:49] | jduggan: | endeavormac: setup -> media setup -> video setup -> General |
| [19:30:55] | endeavormac: | ok, thanks |
| [19:31:02] | endeavormac: | is there anyway to do this through the command line? |
| [19:31:05] | endeavormac: | or with a text editor |
| [19:31:05] | jduggan: | Anduin: hmm, im sure thats set, one sec |
| [19:31:09] | endeavormac: | i have remote access to his box |
| [19:31:18] | GreyFoxx: | endeavormac: edit the sql directly |
| [19:31:21] | jduggan: | stored in db |
| [19:31:25] | endeavormac: | ok, thanks |
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| [19:35:57] | jduggan: | Anduin: thanks, ive changed it to notify (was auto skip), just to see if its flagging them right |
| [19:36:22] | Anduin: | jduggan: you can e then z to see where they are |
| [19:36:43] | Anduin: | (but then skip will certainly work) |
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| [19:39:33] | gbee: | jduggan: don't expect much from advert flagging with UK TV, it was written/optimised for US broadcasts where ad transitions etc are done a little differently |
| [19:40:13] | gbee: | and check your language setting, sounds like you are using the US translation |
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| [19:50:12] | ** iamlindoro___ wonders why the -users list is getting XBMC questions now ** | |
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| [19:57:19] | sphery: | iamlindoro___: no one told you that we're scrapping mythfrontend and moving to XBMC? |
| [19:57:41] | iamlindoro___: | Might as well, right? |
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| [19:57:55] | iamlindoro___: | I mean that's all Mythfrontend is, right? Just a frontend to mplayer? |
| [19:58:10] | iamlindoro___: | Or was it xine? |
| [19:58:12] | iamlindoro___: | I forget |
| [19:58:18] | sphery: | yeah, mplayer it seems |
| [19:58:47] | ** iamlindoro___ sets fire to the disk his theme is on ** | |
| [19:58:53] | iamlindoro___: | Useless now! |
| [19:59:29] | sphery: | cool, now just get one other person to do the same (with code + theme), and it will be official |
| [19:59:40] | gbee: | http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/newtheme3.png |
| [20:00:05] | gbee: | nuts, forgot to switch the fanart over |
| [20:00:41] | iamlindoro___: | I like |
| [20:00:51] | sphery: | gbee: what in the world are you doing making the UI better than XBMC's? That's going to ruin a lot of (even-before-the-change invalid) "why not switch to XBMC" arguments... |
| [20:01:08] | iamlindoro___: | <-- needs to finish in time for .22 but all those popups are daunting |
| [20:01:30] | iamlindoro___: | I just need to chase gbee through the mythui conversion, theming each screen as he finishes it :) |
| [20:03:03] | gbee: | sphery: way I see it, we don't need to have a better UI than XBMC, just something equivalent |
| [20:03:05] | iamlindoro___: | I've been his personal MythUI whipcracker this week and feel more than a little guilty about it :) |
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| [20:03:25] | gbee: | then on balance of features XBMC doesn't even come close to myth |
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| [20:03:51] | sphery: | gbee: yeah, that was sarcasm... but ours has always been better than XBMC's--especially when you factor in the "designed for the functionality" portion of the argument |
| [20:04:46] | gbee: | since I've never used XBMC or even seen it being used, the only impressions I have of XBMC come from screenshots |
| [20:05:28] | gbee: | and even then, only the screenshots posted in here by others since I've never felt the need to look them up for myself |
| [20:06:04] | iamlindoro___: | To give an honest assessment, with MythUI where it is now, the things I could see as being lacking features that people would note would be a) Fanart support throughout, b) tight metadata integration (including specifying certain directories as TV versus Movies and accompanying grabbers) and c) animation |
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| [20:06:31] | iamlindoro___: | otherwise I would say Myth has same, similar, or better functionality across the board, UI included |
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| [20:06:59] | sphery: | yeah, my impressions are second-hand, too, but it looks like your mythui stuff has gone far beyond xbmc's UI in terms of (useful) features/looks |
| [20:06:59] | LinuxGhost: | does someone knows how to install mithtv on ubuntu? |
| [20:07:26] | LinuxGhost: | ? |
| [20:07:35] | sphery: | LinuxGhost: mythbuntu |
| [20:07:41] | iamlindoro___: | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV |
| [20:07:44] | iamlindoro___: | these people seem to |
| [20:07:49] | LinuxGhost: | and how mythbuntu? |
| [20:07:57] | sphery: | IMHO, the best approach: http://www.mythbuntu.org/ |
| [20:07:59] | thefront is now known as thefRont | |
| [20:09:06] | directhex: | i still wonder why there's so few suse-based dists |
| [20:09:30] | sphery: | perhaps because no one knows how to pronounce the distro name |
| [20:09:34] | LinuxGhost: | can i see tv with pc tv pendrive tv tuner? |
| [20:09:38] | Dibblah: | justinh: Did you ever get onboard sound working right on that c2d motherboard? |
| [20:10:01] | Dibblah: | Works fine for stereo, but surround is busted – It's model related. |
| [20:10:15] | iamlindoro___: | Nobody seems able to pronounce ubuntu either |
| [20:10:34] | iamlindoro___: | Oo-boon-too, Oo-BUN-too, Uh-BUN-too |
| [20:10:44] | sphery: | true... didn't consider that. |
| [20:10:46] | iamlindoro___: | I personally use the first |
| [20:10:50] | forrestv: | ew-bun-tew |
| [20:10:55] | opello: | don't forget you-bun-too, you-boon-too, etc |
| [20:10:55] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: as far as can see those three issues, at least in part should all be better for 0.22 – I'm not sure at this stage whether the animation stuff will go as far as everyone wants because of time constraints |
| [20:11:37] | iamlindoro___: | gbee: Kind of figured but yeah, I saw all of them being addressed in the short/medium term |
| [20:11:42] | iamlindoro___: | A I think seems like it will be addressed more or less entirely |
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| [20:11:57] | iamlindoro___: | B will be over time, and C when you get to it |
| [20:12:02] | gbee: | fanart is being added to mythvideo and there is no reason it can't be made available elsewhere but I don't ever see it being available everywhere by default since what relevance does fanart for movie A have to mythgallery or mythmusic? |
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| [20:12:30] | sphery: | do music lovers make fan art for CD's/songs? |
| [20:12:33] | iamlindoro___: | gbee: I *do* see it having relevance to the PBB, though, would be nice to have a recordedmeta table |
| [20:12:47] | gbee: | however themers will be able to do slideshow backgrounds so users/themers can achieve the same effect if that's what they really want |
| [20:12:51] | iamlindoro___: | that includes fanart and banners associated to show IDs |
| [20:13:02] | gbee: | iamlindoro___: I agree with PBB |
| [20:13:34] | iamlindoro___: | sphery They have them for artists, so "sort of" |
| [20:13:41] | sphery: | heh |
| [20:14:12] | sphery: | wow... there's already a 9.04 alpha of *buntu? |
| [20:14:39] | laga: | yeah |
| [20:14:46] | LinuxGhost: | how to install mithtv on ubuntu? |
| [20:14:57] | directhex: | sphery, the first alha is made almost immediately after development opens |
| [20:15:09] | directhex: | sphery, usually because it has loads of new debian packages in it |
| [20:15:17] | sphery: | oh... I was thinking 8.10 was still pretty new |
| [20:15:28] | LinuxGhost: | ive bought a tv card it works well on windows but nothing on ubuntu :( |
| [20:16:05] | directhex: | LinuxGhost, whose fault is that? |
| [20:16:19] | sphery: | likely not supported in Linux, so you'd need to either hack it or just buy a new one (guess which one is less expensive, when factoring in time) |
| [20:16:56] | LinuxGhost: | it is usb, |
| [20:17:11] | LinuxGhost: | tvtime is a shit one i can configure it |
| [20:17:33] | LinuxGhost: | vlc is another damn those cant recognise the usb |
| [20:17:43] | LinuxGhost: | i cant configurre\ |
| [20:17:44] | iamlindoro___: | lang-gwitch |
| [20:18:05] | LinuxGhost: | i cant alter the settings |
| [20:23:42] | LinuxGhost: | jjjj |
| [20:24:11] | LinuxGhost: | hey? |
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| [20:28:05] | iamlindoro___: | That. Was obnoxious. |
| [20:30:36] | poodyp_: | help I'm dumb and can't use google someone do my work for me |
| [20:32:41] | jams: | at least he found the exit door by himself |
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| [20:33:59] | octavsly: | guys don't push it. Hoe many time you buy a TV card, an later to find out that teh hardware basterds used a diferent chipset |
| [20:34:27] | laga: | never |
| [20:34:33] | poodyp_: | never |
| [20:34:35] | octavsly: | I have many examples |
| [20:34:35] | laga: | because i do my research ;) |
| [20:34:40] | octavsly: | even with known cards |
| [20:34:50] | laga: | sure, that's what happens to people, but you said "you" ;) |
| [20:34:51] | octavsly: | used to work in previous kernels but is broken in new ones |
| [20:35:04] | ** poodyp_ doesn't use TV cards ** | |
| [20:35:09] | octavsly: | you guys I meant. |
| [20:35:33] | octavsly: | My hair turned white in the meantiem beacuse of this. |
| [20:36:13] | Sedorox: | 2.6.28 really screwed me over with my tuners |
| [20:37:07] | octavsly: | 2.6.27 distroyed my audio, I almost had a heart-atack since I sold that box :-D |
| [20:37:23] | sphery: | stupid Free and Open Source Software developers changing things and not leaving /any/ way for you to fix them... |
| [20:37:37] | octavsly: | Only if I could have more time |
| [20:37:39] | octavsly: | ... |
| [20:38:39] | tomtom099: | guys, a special thanks to gbee ** tadaaaa!! ** for solving my problem with the channel scan. It was the missing LNB setting. |
| [20:38:44] | Sedorox: | I have 2x pvr-150's... one tuner (the second) can change channels.. works as expected.... the first one.. I only get one channel.. but video and audio work.. but I can't actually change the chanel |
| [20:38:50] | sphery: | Well, if you'd prefer a system where hardware makers update drivers so they continue to work as the kernel and applications (what some would call an operating system) are changed, I think a small company called Microsoft makes one... |
| [20:40:04] | tomtom099: | and also to iamlindoro for writing the only instruction where this is mentioned correctly (others even said 'leave the defaults') |
| [20:40:17] | iamlindoro___: | :) |
| [20:40:23] | iamlindoro___: | I did something right! |
| [20:40:32] | tomtom099: | hehe :-) |
| [20:40:33] | iamlindoro___: | you are welcome, I am happy to hear you got it working |
| [20:40:56] | tomtom099: | the whole thing is still far from working, but now i have the channels. |
| [20:41:02] | iamlindoro___: | A good start |
| [20:41:06] | tomtom099: | yes |
| [20:41:10] | sphery: | iamlindoro___: so now you just need to go through and fix all the other wrong pages in the wiki... better get started--it may take some time |
| [20:41:39] | tomtom099: | phew... <sweating/> |
| [20:41:43] | iamlindoro___: | sphery: I had thought to, while I've only got a few of them to go through, start writing a MythUI wiki page so that I'm not overwhelmed all at once |
| [20:42:02] | iamlindoro___: | I know that I'm still a newbie when it comes to it, but something is better than nothing at least |
| [20:42:36] | tomtom099: | guess i am going to bother you again tomorrow (one problem a day...) |
| [20:42:51] | octavsly: | sphery: No I do not prefer that. I enjay freedom too much, but it is tsrabge that it works perfectly in one version and then in the new version the software developer made it batter... that it doe snot work anymore. I know it happens but still, spending a lot of time on the ame hardware over and over again is not too productive isn't it? |
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| [20:43:45] | octavsly: | Ok I stop complaining and start reading. |
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| [20:46:09] | sphery: | yeah, but IMHO, GNU/Linux is a /very/ expensive computing platform compared to MS Windows. In Windows, you pay for the platform with $ for licensing (often about $20-$30 for an OEM license when purchasing a system) and things mostly work not requiring a lot of your time. In GNU/Linux, you pay $0 licensing but pay a fortune in time. |
| [20:46:54] | gbee: | that all depends on who you are and what your expectations are |
| [20:46:55] | sphery: | So, if you have more $ than time, use MS Windows. If you have more time than $ and you don't want to learn/tinker, use MS Windows, anyway. If you have more time than $ and you like to learn/tinker, then GNU/Linux may be right for you. |
| [20:47:44] | sphery: | true. |
| [20:48:38] | sphery: | but in general, when using GNU/Linux, the only support you should expect is that which you can provide yourself. :) |
| [20:48:58] | sphery: | (all other that's available is just a bonus) |
| [20:49:35] | octavsly: | Well I chose Linux from a completely different perspective. I like freedom, I do not want to be bound by a company who is only after my money, and where supports sucks. Many times I had excellent support fron GNU software |
| [20:50:03] | sphery: | and that's your right, but as they say, "Freedom isn't free." |
| [20:50:08] | octavsly: | and poor (stupid) supporet from commercial companies. |
| [20:50:42] | octavsly: | I know, price can be high. Still this does not mean that we should see the problems and try to fix them. |
| [20:51:02] | iamlindoro___: | sphery: s/Gnu\/Linux/Trunk/ |
| [20:51:02] | sphery: | agreed |
| [20:51:18] | sphery: | that too |
| [20:51:22] | iamlindoro___: | And if people would understand THAT then my blood pressure would be in the normal range |
| [20:53:59] | sphery: | I have to admit that although I love MythTV, I've recommended TiVo, cable/satellite company DVR's, and Windows MCE to a /lot/ of people. |
| [20:54:15] | octavsly: | Did you try them? |
| [20:55:01] | sphery: | I've played with all of them (where all, obviously, doesn't include all versions of all cable/satellite company DVR's). |
| [20:55:51] | sphery: | I've never really "used" them as they were designed to be used, though (i.e. never owned a system with any of them) |
| [20:56:15] | d0netsFN: | ok im back to my issue |
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| [20:56:20] | d0netsFN: | highya sphery |
| [20:56:25] | sphery: | the mythweb one? |
| [20:56:28] | sphery: | got the bindings working? |
| [20:56:41] | sphery: | what happens when you run mythrename.pl --help in a shell? |
| [20:58:03] | d0netsFN: | [Mon Jan 05 14:57:00 2009] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] Premature end of script headers: mythweb.pl, referer: http://localhost/mythweb/pl/stream/1269/1231135200.asx |
| [20:58:05] | d0netsFN: | nah |
| [20:58:09] | d0netsFN: | i had to go somewhere |
| [20:58:19] | sphery: | try mythrename.pl --help |
| [20:58:19] | d0netsFN: | well i was at the hospital |
| [20:58:21] | d0netsFN: | i came home for a bit |
| [20:58:47] | d0netsFN: | $ mythrename.pl --help |
| [20:58:47] | d0netsFN: | bash: mythrename.pl: command not found |
| [20:58:47] | xris: | d0netsFN: check your apache logs — they should show the actual perl headers. |
| [20:58:59] | xris: | shouldn't need the mythtv perl bindings for that, though... I don't think I added that as a requirement yet. |
| [20:59:05] | octavsly: | I aske you if you used them since I also thought Windows XP was better. Recently I started using it again (games for my son) and I was agian dissapointed as I was in 2000 when I ditched M$ forever. So most of the tiem is only good marketing rather then good products |
| [20:59:12] | sphery: | xris: isn't it used for the asx streaming? |
| [20:59:32] | sphery: | xris: there's mention of use MythTV; in the script on a ticket in Trac |
| [20:59:37] | d0netsFN: | http://pastebin.com/m3ff87871 |
| [20:59:40] | d0netsFN: | theres the error log |
| [20:59:55] | xris: | sphery: ah, then that did get changed. :) |
| [21:00:00] | sphery: | xris: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6050 |
| [21:00:21] | d0netsFN: | any idears? |
| [21:00:36] | sphery: | xris: I'd think both the reporter and anonymous have bindings improperly (or not) installed |
| [21:00:44] | d0netsFN: | someone hold my hand, its my birthday |
| [21:00:45] | d0netsFN: | lol |
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| [21:01:16] | iamlindoro___: | Sheesh, 6050 tickets |
| [21:02:29] | sphery: | d0netsFN: Looks like your packager sets the HOME directory to /var/www for the user running Apache httpd, so that user must have appropriate permissions on /var/www (i.e. allowing creation of /var/www/.mythtv ) or you must create /var/www/.mythtv (with at least 755 permissions) yourself) |
| [21:02:40] | sphery: | d0netsFN: and then you must put a valid config.xml in /var/www/.mythtv |
| [21:03:02] | d0netsFN: | so sudo mkdir /var/www/.mythtv |
| [21:03:16] | d0netsFN: | then sudo chmod 755 -R /var/www/.mythtv ? |
| [21:04:24] | sphery: | depends on the user/group running httpd... might want to chmod 775 |
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| [21:04:47] | d0netsFN: | ok now what about the config? |
| [21:04:54] | d0netsFN: | could you elaborate on that a little? |
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| [21:06:11] | sphery: | a valid config.xml should exist on one of your frontend systems (in $HOME/.mythtv/config.xml , where HOME is the home directory of the user running mythfrontend). However, it's quite likely that your distro has mysql.txt files in place that prevent mythfrontend from making config.xml files for you, in which case you need to delete all the appropriate mysql.txt files and... |
| [21:07:10] | xris: | sphery: odd... that sounds like a bug in the perl code. I don't think I ever intended it to look for config.xml for web stuff. heh. |
| [21:07:18] | sphery: | I'm pretty sure that *buntu has mysql.txt files that prevent the creation of config.xml) |
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| [21:07:28] | d0netsFN: | oh wait |
| [21:07:36] | d0netsFN: | so this .mythtv folder in var www |
| [21:07:37] | xris: | that should just be a warning, though. |
| [21:07:43] | d0netsFN: | thats not the same as the mythweb folder i created in there is it? |
| [21:07:43] | sphery: | xris: the MythTV object in the bindings use config.xml to automatically determine the DB |
| [21:08:05] | d0netsFN: | (where all my web stuff is) |
| [21:08:08] | sphery: | d0netsFN: no, /var/www/.mythtv is the MYTH_CONF_DIR |
| [21:08:11] | d0netsFN: | ok |
| [21:08:41] | d0netsFN: | so sudo cp ~/.mythtv/config.xml /var/www/.mythtv |
| [21:08:41] | d0netsFN: | ? |
| [21:09:04] | ** iamlindoro___ hates sudo. ** | |
| [21:09:08] | sphery: | d0netsFN: still, though, might help to run mythrename.pl --help to see if it works. If so, then just copy that user's config.xml to /var/www/.mythtv |
| [21:09:17] | d0netsFN: | yea lik ei said that didnt work |
| [21:09:19] | iamlindoro___: | I just can't be bothered, I su more often than not, castigate me now |
| [21:09:29] | sphery: | iamlindoro___: me too (though I've heard that it's extremely unpopular view in the "security conscious" world) |
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| [21:09:45] | d0netsFN: | $ mythrename.pl --help |
| [21:09:45] | d0netsFN: | bash: mythrename.pl: command not found |
| [21:09:45] | sphery: | iamlindoro___: when I have to use sudo, I tend to sudo -i |
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| [21:09:56] | sphery: | d0netsFN: locate mythrename.pl |
| [21:10:01] | d0netsFN: | k |
| [21:10:29] | iamlindoro___: | sphery: I seem to always *try* to use sudo and then after the second command that requires me the press up then the left arrow for five minutes I say screw it and su |
| [21:10:45] | d0netsFN: | /home/hebs/mythtv/contrib/user_jobs/mythrename.p |
| [21:10:47] | d0netsFN: | that? |
| [21:10:55] | d0netsFN: | so /home/hebs/mythtv/contrib/user_jobs/mythrename.p --help ? |
| [21:11:12] | iamlindoro___: | pl |
| [21:11:13] | sphery: | sure, but isn't it mythrename.pl? |
| [21:11:31] | d0netsFN: | ok got it |
| [21:11:34] | d0netsFN: | yea |
| [21:11:38] | d0netsFN: | sorry i didnt highlight it all |
| [21:11:38] | d0netsFN: | sorry |
| [21:11:39] | sphery: | and it worked? |
| [21:11:43] | d0netsFN: | now what am i looking for |
| [21:11:50] | sphery: | did you get help output? |
| [21:11:55] | d0netsFN: | yup |
| [21:11:58] | d0netsFN: | want me to pastebin it? |
| [21:12:24] | d0netsFN: | http://pastebin.com/m41c88e4c |
| [21:13:29] | sphery: | OK, so your sudo cp ~/.mythtv/config.xml /var/www/.mythtv should work (as long as ~ expands to the HOME dir of the user who executes the sudo, not the home dir of the root user who's executing the cp) |
| [21:13:53] | d0netsFN: | hrmm im confused by that |
| [21:13:55] | clever: | sphery: ~ gets expanded by bash, before sudo is ran |
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| [21:15:27] | d0netsFN: | ok i copied it there |
| [21:15:29] | d0netsFN: | now what |
| [21:15:39] | d0netsFN: | i tried the .asx again and i get the same thing int he browser |
| [21:15:40] | sphery: | d0netsFN: oh, wait... you sudo'ed the mythrename.pl, so that might need root's home... |
| [21:19:29] | sphery: | d0netsFN: any reason you're running trunk rather than the stable version of Myth? |
| [21:20:05] | d0netsFN: | ok where do you se that |
| [21:20:05] | d0netsFN: | im not |
| [21:20:12] | d0netsFN: | i instlaled it from trunk first |
| [21:20:15] | d0netsFN: | then someone advised against it |
| [21:20:21] | d0netsFN: | so i installed it from apt-get |
| [21:20:34] | sphery: | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at modules/stream/tv.pl line 15 --tv.pl only exists in trunk\ |
| [21:20:50] | d0netsFN: | no |
| [21:20:54] | iamlindoro___: | did you remove all traces including installed libs first? (there is one right answer to this and it's not yes, btw ;) ) |
| [21:21:14] | d0netsFN: | its also in mythbuntu-config-centre |
| [21:21:16] | d0netsFN: | or whatever its called |
| [21:21:55] | d0netsFN: | mythbuntu-control-centre – Mythbuntu Configuration Application |
| [21:21:56] | iamlindoro___: | d0netsFN: After installing trunk, what steps did you take to remove it? |
| [21:22:17] | d0netsFN: | i forget someone told me how in #ubuntu |
| [21:22:33] | iamlindoro___: | What in the world would they know about uninstalling myth |
| [21:22:43] | iamlindoro___: | Odds are whatever you did didn't do the job fully |
| [21:22:44] | d0netsFN: | uninstalling apps from trunk |
| [21:22:46] | d0netsFN: | ok |
| [21:22:49] | d0netsFN: | what are the right steps? |
| [21:23:06] | sphery: | how long have you been using this system? |
| [21:23:10] | sphery: | got anything important on it? |
| [21:23:16] | d0netsFN: | not long |
| [21:23:18] | sphery: | my recommendation would be to start over :) |
| [21:23:20] | d0netsFN: | 8.10 |
| [21:23:23] | d0netsFN: | yea |
| [21:23:25] | d0netsFN: | im considering it |
| [21:23:27] | d0netsFN: | but shiese |
| [21:23:36] | sphery: | cleanest uninstall is a complete reinstall |
| [21:23:43] | d0netsFN: | ive installed it on 3 laptops in the waiting room the past few days |
| [21:24:23] | sphery: | you really should be using 0.21-fixes --which is what the Ubuntu packages make available |
| [21:24:26] | d0netsFN: | and it took me long long time to figure out how to get my irblaster working with my direct tv box |
| [21:24:28] | d0netsFN: | and get my guide working |
| [21:24:53] | sphery: | but, the second time around things go much more quickly... :) |
| [21:24:57] | iamlindoro___: | mythbuntu is excellent for that, it's all dropdowns |
| [21:25:05] | iamlindoro___: | Bam, this IR blaster controlling this box, click okay, done |
| [21:25:23] | d0netsFN: | nah it wasnt like that i dont think |
| [21:25:25] | sphery: | you can make the current system work, but it's very important to clean off all the pieces of trunk since Myth /only/ works with the same version of everything installed |
| [21:25:27] | iamlindoro___: | And if you want it to be a desktop machine too, you just apt-get install ubuntu-desktop at the end |
| [21:25:35] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | d0netsFN: So copy your .lircrc and lircd.conf to a usb flash drive... |
| [21:25:35] | d0netsFN: | i had to find scripts and such |
| [21:25:38] | d0netsFN: | and configs |
| [21:25:49] | d0netsFN: | well i can just put it on my storage partition |
| [21:25:56] | d0netsFN: | thats not the problem |
| [21:25:59] | iamlindoro___: | d0netsFN: You did it wrong, then, DirecTV support is as simple as dropdowns in mythbuntu |
| [21:26:13] | d0netsFN: | with pvr150 mce? |
| [21:26:19] | iamlindoro___: | especially with that |
| [21:26:28] | iamlindoro___: | *extremely* standard setup |
| [21:26:33] | sphery: | though if he was using trunk, he was likely compiling and installing himself (since the trunk Ubuntu packages haven't been updated since before the Qt4 changeover, right?) |
| [21:26:35] | d0netsFN: | any down sides to mythbuntu? |
| [21:26:38] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | And Dish network is easy to with info on the wiki. ;-) (perhaps in mythbuntu too... ;-) ) |
| [21:26:51] | iamlindoro___: | J-e-f-f-A|work: Yep, just dropdowns for dish too |
| [21:27:19] | sphery: | d0netsFN: the biggest down side to MythBuntu is that you won't have all these problems, so you won't get to spend as much time chatting with us, here... :) |
| [21:27:26] | d0netsFN: | well |
| [21:27:32] | d0netsFN: | what are the others |
| [21:27:35] | iamlindoro___: | d0netsFN: Some might say that it might not be as good as a "regular desktop" amchine, but a) I disagree, and b) you can just apt-get install ubuntu-desktop at the end and it will be a regular ubuntu setup with properly configured myth |
| [21:27:40] | d0netsFN: | same packages and everything? |
| [21:27:44] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | rotfl! |
| [21:27:55] | iamlindoro___: | yes, same packages |
| [21:28:08] | iamlindoro___: | mythbuntu provides ubuntu's myth packages, actually |
| [21:28:15] | iamlindoro___: | but adds all the autoconfiguration stuff |
| [21:28:21] | sphery: | MythBuntu is Ubuntu that someone else went to the trouble of reconfiguring to work well with Myth |
| [21:28:35] | iamlindoro___: | a gaggle of someones, in fact |
| [21:28:38] | sphery: | and making easy to configure |
| [21:28:41] | sphery: | true |
| [21:28:49] | sphery: | many very dedicated someones |
| [21:29:26] | d0netsFN: | i just dont have time atm : / |
| [21:31:02] | ** laga doesn't have a lot of time for mythbuntu either.. ** | |
| [21:31:19] | d0netsFN: | gfs father had a heart attack |
| [21:32:25] | d0netsFN: | well hrmm |
| [21:32:35] | d0netsFN: | i think i have like 3 hours |
| [21:32:38] | d0netsFN: | where is the iso? |
| [21:33:06] | ** d0netsFN googles ** | |
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| [21:34:22] | sphery: | http://mythbuntu.org/ + http://mythbuntu.org/downloads |
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| [21:37:04] | iamlindoro___: | Minus download time, I can get mythbuntu set up in about 15ish minutes, but that's from an admittedly above-average amount of experience |
| [21:37:06] | sphery: | xris: you're right about the script being designed so that it should only issue a warning if bindings aren't available (it uses an eval block), but based on http://pastebin.com/m3ff87871 , it doesn't seem to be working. I remember when I did the backup/restore scripts, I followed instructions I found on the 'net for making modules optional and it didn't work with the simple eval, so I had to modify it, but don't remember what ... |
| [21:37:12] | sphery: | ... I changed to make it work right. |
| [21:37:21] | iamlindoro___: | three hours should be plenty if you read the prompts carefully |
| [21:38:14] | d0netsFN: | yea i will set it to auto login and setup vnc and ssh |
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| [21:38:49] | d0netsFN: | to finish installinga ll my other stuffs |
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| [21:39:15] | sphery: | good luck |
| [21:39:24] | d0netsFN: | this torrent is pretty slow : / |
| [21:39:35] | d0netsFN: | 1 hr 5 mins |
| [21:40:09] | sphery: | I think you'll find it easier to start configuring from a fresh install rather than try to undo some unknown stuff that had been done for trunk before being able to configure |
| [21:40:26] | sphery: | on your home network? |
| [21:40:34] | d0netsFN: | yea |
| [21:40:38] | sphery: | (I'd expect it to be /very/ slow on the hospital's network) |
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| [21:43:03] | xris: | sphery: sorry, too much work stuff going on now, can't think about this stuff anymore. |
| [21:43:20] | xris: | remind me tonight if I'm on.. in 4–5 hours or so |
| [21:43:24] | sphery: | no problem |
| [21:43:36] | sphery: | better yet, I'll see if I can do some testing in the next week... |
| [21:43:46] | sphery: | xris: so, nvm for now :) |
| [21:44:25] | xris: | :) |
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| [21:48:36] | ** jamiem debates dropping the Hauppauges straight into the file server ** | |
| [21:51:09] | iamlindoro___: | A direct download of mythbuntu, while selfish, is likely to be much faster |
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| [22:08:12] | iamlindoro___: | GreyFoxx: Although admittedly it took a few gruesome efforts to start creating stuff that's not terrifying :) |
| [22:09:56] | iamlindoro___: | All told though, I think I'm prety happy with the way my theme is coalescing-- actually have one "concept" now |
| [22:12:16] | iamlindoro___: | gbee: HAve you given any thought to having the option to dim/brighten a window when a popup appears? |
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| [22:18:27] | gbee: | :) |
| [22:19:29] | gbee: | not exactly, but one idea did cross my mind a while back |
| [22:20:22] | iamlindoro___: | I guess it smacks a bit of the Windows Protection Mechanism, but it would be a "nice" way of calling attention to the popup |
| [22:20:27] | gbee: | make the popup window fullscreen and put a low alpha single color background as a backdrop |
| [22:20:55] | iamlindoro___: | yeah, that'd work. Fade would be nice when such a thing is possible |
| [22:21:11] | iamlindoro___: | By which I mean animated transition |
| [22:22:35] | iamlindoro___: | gbee: what's your next destination after the PBB? |
| [22:26:57] | gbee: | holiday, somewhere warm, with beautiful girls and cold drinks |
| [22:27:18] | gbee: | I wish :/ |
| [22:27:42] | gbee: | maybe the program finder |
| [22:28:13] | shadash: | I suggest Tahiti or one of the islands around it |
| [22:28:51] | shadash: | Women sun tan topless + they get a lot of french travelers |
| [22:29:05] | shadash: | so the food is good |
| [22:29:28] | shadash: | did I mention the girls are topless? |
| [22:29:51] | directhex: | huh? boobs? |
| [22:29:53] | directhex: | boobs! |
| [22:30:13] | iamlindoro___: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/theme-MythMusic.png Boobs? |
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| [22:33:41] | RyeBrye: | the way the cool kids do popups these days is both with an alpha and a blur on the background |
| [22:33:52] | RyeBrye: | that fades / blurs in and out |
| [22:33:59] | kormoc: | I beta blur these days! |
| [22:34:28] | iamlindoro___: | We no blur... yet |
| [22:34:57] | iamlindoro___: | But I'm sure a smart, hard working, not to mention startlingly good looking person like gbee has plans for things like that |
| [22:35:11] | RyeBrye: | How soon until Myth implements an "enhance" feature that I've seen used on countless TV shows and movies? I want to be able to watch a TV show and say "enhance" and have SD TV turn into OMFG 4096p resolution 90fps images |
| [22:35:26] | gbee: | starting to take shape, but still not there yet – http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/newtheme4.png |
| [22:36:06] | gbee: | no-one else blurs either e.g. xbmc |
| [22:36:28] | RyeBrye: | Yeah, I wasn't talking about media clients – mostly about UI frameworks like Flex or the ones on Android |
| [22:37:13] | RyeBrye: | This probably isn't the best example, but it shows some random blog that has screenshots of the background blur / alpha http://mprami.wordpress.com/2008/04/22/alert_ . . . lur_changes/ |
| [22:37:32] | jams: | GreyFoxx- my 46 inch 1080p lcd has 5% overscan by default. |
| [22:38:12] | RyeBrye: | gbee: that's pretty slick. I take it the background image will change based on teh selected movie? (i.e. it wont be a lion for Star wars?) |
| [22:38:26] | iamlindoro___: | jams: And myth has a wizard to solve that problem :) |
| [22:38:33] | gbee: | RyeBrye: correct |
| [22:39:06] | RyeBrye: | Cool. |
| [22:39:59] | kormoc: | RyeBrye, all I can think of with that link is ugh... flex is so complicated... |
| [22:41:13] | jams: | iamlindoro- that wizard doesnt help any for the screens where it's obvious |
| [22:41:46] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [22:42:03] | RyeBrye: | kormoc: that link is written by an idiot. Flex isn't really that complicated once you get used to it... but the upcoming Flash Catalyst part of it will make it extremly graphic-desgner friendly... I nearly crapped my pants when I saw them demo it in a video: http://www.adobe.com/newsletters/edge/december2008/video/ (basically... you can design your entire UI in Photoshop / Illustrator and then mark parts of it to be interactive... etc) |
| [22:42:04] | iamlindoro___: | whatnow? |
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| [22:43:24] | kormoc: | RyeBrye, it's mainly I'm so very spoiled by prototype and friends, $('body').blur(); ${'popup').unblur(); $('popup').alpha = .8; done :P |
| [22:44:01] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro___: That music mockup is good, but please move the date somewhere else... It's blocking our view... ;-) |
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| [22:44:28] | iamlindoro___: | J-e-f-f-A|work: I must obey my "clock in same spot in every screen" masters |
| [22:44:35] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro___: And maybe put some transparency on the background image? ;-) |
| [22:44:37] | RyeBrye: | kormoc: yeah, for simple stuff flex is overkill and overly complicated. but for complex stuff it really can hold its own |
| [22:44:56] | Terrortoertchen: | hi all |
| [22:45:09] | kormoc: | iamlindoro___, and make the window a pale blue, like a robin egg, but not quite so light... or blue... perhaps redish blueish whiteish greenish brown, but as a nice color that isn't hard, but soft... yeah... so in a hour? sounds grand! |
| [22:45:18] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro___: Well, not the whole image, but certain parts of it... DOH! |
| [22:45:35] | iamlindoro___: | haha |
| [22:45:42] | RyeBrye: | alpha blur on the shirt. I concur |
| [22:45:48] | RyeBrye: | err alpha fade |
| [22:46:26] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro___: All kidding asside, it looks great... ;-) And so does the rest of the design! |
| [22:46:39] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | er.. 'aside'... oops.. |
| [22:46:50] | iamlindoro___: | J-e-f-f-A|work: Thanks, still having fun with it-- imagine it will get less fun when I finally round back and do all the popups |
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| [22:50:04] | d0netsFN: | ok im burning the .iso |
| [22:50:18] | iamlindoro___: | I just put my feet up on the desk |
| [22:50:24] | iamlindoro___: | I scratched my belly |
| [22:50:38] | laga: | iamlindoro___: that'd be really uncomfortable here. the feet up on the desk thing |
| [22:51:07] | iamlindoro___: | laga: Is your desk 11 feet tall? |
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| [22:51:40] | laga: | iamlindoro___: well, my laptop rests on the desk, it'd be OK if i put it on my lap |
| [22:51:47] | laga: | but my chair would keep rolling away |
| [22:52:27] | iamlindoro___: | My laptop's on my lap :) But that's neither here nor there in the "lesson of whether or not to update the channel on every little thing" |
| [22:52:36] | iamlindoro___: | To which the answer is "not" |
| [22:52:40] | laga: | :) |
| [22:53:02] | jams: | clever must be rubbing off on you |
| [22:54:08] | iamlindoro___: | How dare you sir |
| [22:54:52] | ** dustybin sits by log firewall sipping whiskey singing this tune http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1BH7poMtPVU ** | |
| [22:55:13] | iamlindoro___: | Lord, it's catching |
| [22:55:56] | ** kormoc adds a ban on *!*@* ** | |
| [22:56:02] | jams: | iamlindoro- you use the WD 1TB green drives? |
| [22:56:36] | iamlindoro___: | jams: yeah, have been very happy with them. Though I don't care, they're also quite quiet |
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| [22:56:57] | ** kormoc waits for the new macs to come out ** | |
| [22:57:00] | jams: | how long have they been in your service? |
| [22:57:10] | jams: | over a year? |
| [22:57:22] | laga: | jams: have they fixed the head parking problem? |
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| [22:57:31] | jams: | laga i don't know |
| [22:57:33] | ** kormoc raises an eyebrow ** | |
| [22:57:36] | kormoc: | head parking problem? |
| [22:57:41] | iamlindoro___: | jams: Started cycling them in about 5–6 months ago, I guess, but they're about 80% of y drives now with no failures and a fairly noticeable volume decrease |
| [22:58:01] | laga: | kormoc: http://groups.google.com/group/linux.kernel/b . . . 911efd?pli=1 |
| [22:58:09] | laga: | kormoc: not sure if it's still an issue |
| [22:58:11] | iamlindoro___: | jams: They're not eleventy-billion RPM, but far far FAR more than fast enough for Myth |
| [22:59:11] | jams: | maybe i will just spend the extra money for the ES seagates. |
| [22:59:28] | jams: | 5 months isn't long enough to sway my distrust of WD |
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| [23:00:02] | iamlindoro___: | laga: I have a power cycle count of 17 |
| [23:00:12] | iamlindoro___: | (having checked only one of them) |
| [23:00:41] | iamlindoro___: | in 2301 power on hours |
| [23:01:34] | iamlindoro___: | and a load cycle count of 5073 |
| [23:01:40] | iamlindoro___: | not sure if that's a lot or not, actually |
| [23:01:42] | kormoc: | ouch |
| [23:03:33] | iamlindoro___: | Since the specified limit is apparently 300,000, that doesn't seem terrible to me |
| [23:04:31] | iamlindoro___: | Nearly 100 days, at 1/60th of the limit seems not too bad |
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| [23:12:34] | d0netsFN: | ok so could someone give me a heads up on the process of installing mythbuntu then ubuntu desktop on top of it |
| [23:13:02] | iamlindoro___: | Just complete the mythbuntu install, make sure it's all working, then apt-get install ubuntu-desktop |
| [23:13:02] | d0netsFN: | bleh im sure i can handle it |
| [23:13:04] | d0netsFN: | brb (i hope |
| [23:13:08] | d0netsFN: | k |
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| [23:27:12] | d0netsFN: | ok im in the installation |
| [23:27:37] | d0netsFN: | so i want to check silicon dust hdhomerun configuration utility? |
| [23:27:50] | d0netsFN: | do i* |
| [23:28:11] | poodyp_: | do you have an hdhomerun? |
| [23:28:34] | d0netsFN: | nope |
| [23:28:46] | poodyp_: | then no |
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| [23:38:20] | d0netsFN: | do i want the ip to be 127.0.0.1 or localhost |
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| [23:41:02] | iamlindoro_: | d0netsFN, If you need this level of handholding, you may want to get it in #ubuntu-mythtv, with no offense intended |
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| [23:53:04] | kslater: | any grub / booting experts in the house? |
| [23:53:08] | kslater: | I need an assist |
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| [23:55:50] | iamlindoro_: | sounds like a job for #yourdistro |
| [23:56:09] | kslater: | iamlindoro_: true |
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| [23:56:47] | kslater: | grub has never given me trouble before like this |
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