Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, January 4th, 2009, 00:06 UTC

[00:06:53]

AngryElf (AngryElf!n=jsharpe@ip68-100-84-211.dc.dc.cox.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:11:10]

inordkuo (inordkuo!n=inorkuo@cpe-098-027-052-098.nc.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:12:48]

Hoxzer (Hoxzer!n=dsadsad@dsl-hkigw7-fe1df900-39.dhcp.inet.fi) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[00:14:42]

kslater (kslater!n=kslater@206.193.247.78.nauticom.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:14:55]

EvilGuru_ (EvilGuru_!n=freddie@dyn1220-11.wlan.ic.ac.uk) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:16:01]

EvilGuru (EvilGuru!n=freddie@dyn1220-11.wlan.ic.ac.uk) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[00:16:45]

Hoxzer (Hoxzer!n=dsadsad@dsl-hkigw7-fe1df900-39.dhcp.inet.fi) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:23:04]

academy:

I've used XFS for a few years where I've needed performance on large files and it seems the obvious choice for a recordings fs but, I've had a few issues on power failure due to the memory buffering they do for fibre. I see a few people use JFS for this purpose. Has anyone used it? What's your experience of it?

[00:24:06]

kormoc:

I use JFS for my recordings, aye

[00:24:14]

kormoc:

and it works well imho

[00:24:24]

academy:

Used it for long? Ever had a power failure with it??

[00:24:37]

kormoc:

A year or so and a few, aye

[00:24:44]

kormoc:

no data loss at all

[00:25:21]

academy:

MythTV seems to be the only community where anyone uses it. It's odd that it's generally ignored, which is what has concerned me slightly.

[00:26:46]

academy:

Anyway, getting a new hdd tomorrow so I'll try it out.

[00:28:22]

kormoc:

it's used fairly heavily in AIX, just not so much in Linux, so it's not that it's generally ignored, just generally ignored by the Linux masses

[00:28:39]

academy:

Ok.

[00:29:28]

J-e-f-f-A:

academy: I also use JFS, and have no data loss with it — 2+ years...

[00:29:50]

kkuno (kkuno!n=wefw@151.64.201.19) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[00:30:20]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro_: Which nvidia driver are you running?

[00:30:32]

iamlindoro_:

180.18

[00:30:39]

kkuno (kkuno!n=wefw@151.64.201.19) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:30:41]

J-e-f-f-A:

ok, the beta. ;-)

[00:31:01]

academy:

J-e-f-f-A: sounds good.

[00:32:16]

J-e-f-f-A:

ooh, nvidia's ftp servier is fast... almost saturated my fios link – I'm impressed!

[00:32:23]

clever:

nice

[00:34:35]

academy:

We get 50Mbit in the UK but with a pathetic 1.3mbit upload

[00:34:59]

academy:

My router goes crazy when a few connections are downloading

[00:35:27]

J-e-f-f-A:

academy: I've got 15 down, 2 up.

[00:35:56]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro_: FC10 boots really fast... I'm suprised...

[00:35:59]

academy:

Yeah, much better ratio.

[00:36:01]

directhex:

academy, i've suffered more than one total data loss from JFS

[00:36:17]

academy:

directhex: under what circumstance?

[00:36:28]

iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A, Haven't been a fedora user in a really long time (well, never fedora, has been since RHL)

[00:36:33]

directhex:

academy, using it as a file system that has the tenacity to contain data

[00:36:45]

directhex:

twice for my recording partition, once for root fs on a server at work

[00:37:21]

academy:

Hmm, the only fs which has never given me problems is ext3, but it's slower than a dead dog.

[00:37:44]

directhex:

i've lost data to every FS

[00:37:46]

directhex:

except BeFS

[00:37:57]

wagnerrp:

well... it is better

[00:39:41]

wagnerrp:

i dont think ive ever lost data to vfat

[00:40:13]

wagnerrp:

well, unless you consider the jumpdrive being split in half to be data loss

[00:45:04]

kkuno:

academy, wow here in italy we have 320kbit upload :D

[00:45:38]

academy:

kkuno: it's the ratio that's a pain, not the numbers.

[00:46:41]

brownslug4 (brownslug4!n=perk1834@74-141-85-7.dhcp.insightbb.com) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[00:52:31]

wagnerrp:

yeah, 50 up, 1.3 down is an absolute minimum

[00:53:07]

kormoc:

50 up?

[00:53:10]

wagnerrp:

if youre using tcp, you would more than saturate the 1.3 up in TCP_ACK

[00:53:42]

academy:

Exactly

[00:53:53]

academy:

50 down, 1.3 up

[00:54:01]

** kormoc blinks **

[00:54:03]

kormoc:

that's horrible

[00:54:04]

wagnerrp:

last time i benchmarked it, i get about 35:1 on standard http transfers

[00:54:20]

academy:

I'm on 20/768, which is slightly better.

[00:54:21]

kormoc:

I'm at 5/2 and quite happy, but 50/1.3 would be instane

[00:54:39]

wagnerrp:

meaning to saturate a 50 down, you would need somewhere better than 1.4mbps up

[00:55:15]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro_: this may be a dumb question, but my env still points to QT 3.3 – is that ok for Trunk?

[00:55:27]

iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A, nope, need 4

[00:55:40]

iamlindoro_:

Though they can both exist on the same system

[00:55:40]

wagnerrp:

youre probably sharing a gigabit link with 500 of your closest friends too

[00:56:15]

wagnerrp:

love that oversell

[00:56:19]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro_: It's got 4 on the system, just QTDIR=/usr/lib64/qt-3.3 and likewise for QTINC ... should i change them to qt4?

[00:56:30]

iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A, You can pass it as a compile option

[00:56:37]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro_: ok. ;-)

[00:56:39]

iamlindoro_:

--qmake=/usr/bin/qmake-qt4, etc.

[00:56:46]

iamlindoro_:

configure option, rather

[00:57:04]

academy:

wagnerrp: You share at the street level I believe in the UK. If you download more than 3GB in a day you're limited to 500kb/s with traffic shaping.

[00:57:15]

academy:

rediculous.

[00:57:27]

wagnerrp:

what if you buy a game online?

[00:57:40]

academy:

limited for the rest of the day

[00:57:41]

wagnerrp:

i think the last game i pulled over steam was 4.5GB

[00:57:45]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro_: Ok, it shows as /usr/bin/qmake-tqr in the ./configure outpute... time to kick off the compile... ;-)

[00:57:51]

academy:

In the UK we call it a 'fair use policy'

[00:58:35]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro_: ^^ er, make that "qt4"... ;-)

[00:58:46]

wagnerrp:

so youve got about 9 minutes at fill tilt?

[00:59:00]

wagnerrp:

and then youre cut off for the rest of the day

[00:59:19]

academy:

:)

[00:59:34]

academy:

On topic again; Can I enable skiploopfilter for the internal player?

[01:00:00]

wagnerrp:

you have to patch the source for that dont you?

[01:00:23]

academy:

I'll carry on Googling.

[01:00:32]

Computer_Czar (Computer_Czar!n=Drake@71.5.24.68.ptr.us.xo.net) has quit ("Leaving")

[01:00:43]

wagnerrp:

check discussions on the HDPVR

[01:00:50]

wagnerrp:

thats the only thing ive ever heard that in relation to

[01:01:01]

wagnerrp:

cutting that out, to speed up h264 decoding

[01:01:01]

academy:

The only remaining issue I have is that the bottom inch of my picture seems to be 1 frame behind with an FX5200 and XVideo. Is there an obvious fix for that?

[01:01:12]

academy:

Won't file a bug; it's not an issue.

[01:02:09]

EvilGuru_ (EvilGuru_!n=freddie@dyn1220-11.wlan.ic.ac.uk) has quit ()

[01:02:14]

wagnerrp:

i cant say ive ever seen video tearing on xvideo

[01:02:40]

pheld (pheld!n=heldal@81-31-236-106.net.nc-systems.no) has joined #mythtv-users

[01:02:47]

academy:

It's not a diagonal line like normal tearing --- it's just the bottom inch of the screen.

[01:03:45]

wylie:

just curious what the consensus is; is it worth moving frontend/backends to 64-bit vs just staying 32-bit?

[01:04:33]

iamlindoro_:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/theme-MythMusic.png

[01:04:36]

iamlindoro_:

Plans for MythMusic

[01:05:33]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro_: Nice "Fan Art" ;-)

[01:05:34]

wylie:

iamlindoro_ sweet!

[01:05:45]

iamlindoro_:

boobs help even my designs ;)

[01:05:53]

wylie:

always

[01:05:58]

iamlindoro_:

Or rather, without boobs my designs are nothing ;)

[01:06:06]

academy:

looks nice

[01:06:23]

Computer_Czar (Computer_Czar!n=Drake@71.5.24.68.ptr.us.xo.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[01:06:26]

wylie:

and the boobs don't hurt either

[01:07:46]

pab (pab!n=pab@dsl231-036-052.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[01:07:59]

wagnerrp:

wylie: the consensus is... there are no programs of consequence that dont work on 64-bit linux, so why not just run 64-bit

[01:08:40]

wagnerrp:

unless perhaps you have some weird, obscure, proprietary serial card that only has 32-bit blobs

[01:09:03]

wylie:

gotcha — that was my thought as well

[01:09:32]

J-e-f-f-A:

wylie: I've been running 64-bit on my backend for about 2 years... and frontends for about 4 months.

[01:09:46]

wagnerrp:

64-bit operation usually results in executables some 10–20% larger, as well as slightly increased memory usage

[01:13:09]

dashcloud (dashcloud!n=szakulec@pool-141-158-224-133.phil.east.verizon.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[01:13:55]

kslater (kslater!n=kslater@206.193.247.78.nauticom.net) has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))

[01:14:01]

sid3windr:

luckily you can use loads more ram in 64bit mode ;)

[01:14:09]

sid3windr:

s/use/address/

[01:14:32]

wagnerrp:

if you need to exceed the 3GB limit on a myth fe/be, youre probably doing something wrong

[01:15:16]

kkuno (kkuno!n=wefw@151.64.201.19) has quit ("Sto andando via")

[01:19:29]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: So I probably don't have to install the 4GB memory I just picked up for $27.99 ??? ;-)

[01:20:09]

clever:

wagnerrp: fsck could mmap the entire 2tb data partition in 1 sweep, and then just treat it as a char* for testing

[01:20:12]

squidly (squidly!n=squidly@HoodLUG/member/squidly) has quit (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer))

[01:21:19]

clever:

it could greatly simplify parts of the processing to just use a struct* pointing directly into the partition

[01:21:24]

clever:

thru the mmap

[01:22:31]

wagnerrp:

i was going to say that still wouldnt work, but the virtual address space is now 64TB

[01:23:13]

clever:

though with the way block groups function in ext2/3, you probly only need to mmap one group at a time

[01:23:45]

clever:

but im playing with reisferfs now:)

[01:24:21]

nuonguy (nuonguy!n=john@c-24-6-174-132.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep")

[01:27:05]

kslater (kslater!n=kslater@206.193.247.78.nauticom.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[01:27:36]

jduggan:

reisferfs you say

[01:27:54]

wagnerrp:

murderfs!

[01:28:04]

clever:

for my laptop, i have 3 reiserfs parititions now

[01:28:12]

clever:

for the gentoo /, /home, and the portage dir for gentoo

[01:28:28]

clever:

and a ext3 pair for the ubuntu / and the data partition

[01:28:31]

wagnerrp:

why stick portage in its own partition?

[01:28:42]

iamlindoro_:

Because each partition is 756 K

[01:28:49]

jduggan:

lol

[01:28:58]

clever:

portage has tons of tiny files

[01:29:00]

jduggan:

be nice =]

[01:29:08]

clever:

because of my block size on ext3, its wasting 300mb

[01:29:10]

iamlindoro_:

I *am* niceish

[01:29:18]

jduggan:

:P

[01:29:30]

clever:

i felt that a seperate filesystem with a smaller block size would aid in performance

[01:30:10]

clever:

and there was several examples on the gentoo forum(that i found later) which explain how to put portage in a ext3 loopback file

[01:30:46]

inordkuo (inordkuo!n=inorkuo@cpe-098-027-052-098.nc.res.rr.com) has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))

[01:30:57]

wagnerrp:

but who cares, there is very marginal I/O in the portage folder

[01:31:32]

clever:

every time i start to use emerge, it takes 1+mins to read everything in and do anything

[01:31:46]

clever:

and the forums where quoting things like 2.5 mins

[01:32:40]

clever:

and i get similarly poor performance from apt because the core files for the manager have 50gig to float arround and fragment

[01:32:44]

wagnerrp:

maybe if youre doing a deep update on a couple hundred packages

[01:33:01]

clever:

not even updating, just emerge -s takes a while

[01:34:37]

clever:

'time emerge -s alsa' takes 16 seconds after flushing the cache

[01:34:49]

clever:

but only 2 once the files are cached

[01:35:03]

wagnerrp:

and that matters when youre running hours of compiles?

[01:35:28]

wagnerrp:

the only machine i have that gets that poor performance is my laptop, a 1GHz p3, with a 5400rpm 2.5" drive

[01:36:35]

clever:

but having /home/ on its own filesystem should atleast be good:P

[01:37:01]

wagnerrp:

perhaps

[01:37:12]

clever:

i can share it between ubuntu and gentoo now

[01:38:45]

Bearcat (Bearcat!n=Bearcat@sourcemage/apprentice/Bearcat) has joined #mythtv-users

[01:39:20]

wagnerrp:

well you can share directories anyway, you dont have to share the root mount

[01:39:33]

clever:

yeah

[01:39:56]

clever:

but the current setup lets me delete the whole ubuntu / if i want, without loosing /home/

[01:40:56]

clever:

i still need to look into finding/making an ebuild for mythtv trunk

[01:43:47]

wagnerrp:

just copy one of the existing ones, change the revision number in the name, digest, and emerge

[01:44:14]

clever:

nearly everything ive seen so far points to a .tar.gz

[01:44:24]

clever:

except the grub-9999 i saw mentioned in #gentoo

[01:45:05]

wagnerrp:

there IS an existing trunk ebuild

[01:45:41]

clever:

which is why i said 'FIND/make'

[01:45:54]

wagnerrp:

right in the portage tree

[01:46:02]

wagnerrp:

/usr/portage/media-tv/mythtv

[01:46:33]

clever:

yeah, i keep forgeting that portage stores every version

[01:46:44]

wagnerrp:

not every, just several

[01:46:45]

clever:

emerge -s only shows the 0.21

[01:46:55]

kormoc:

erm

[01:47:06]

kormoc:

the current ebuilds are svn based in gentoo's portage

[01:47:11]

kormoc:

look at the 0.22-prexxx

[01:47:28]

kormoc:

and if you update the svn revision, it'll download and build that revision

[01:47:31]

clever:

ChangeLog Manifest files metadata.xml mythtv-0.20.2_p15634.ebuild mythtv-0.21_p18314-r1.ebuild mythtv-0.21_p19046.ebuild mythtv-0.22_alpha18535.ebuild mythtv-0.22_alpha19054.ebuild

[01:47:41]

clever:

no pre files

[01:47:42]

kormoc:

so the _alpha ones then

[01:47:47]

wagnerrp:

as said, just change the name, digest it, and emerge

[01:47:57]

wagnerrp:

better to do so in an overlay

[01:48:18]

tanderson:

You can probably change the ebuilds slightly to use the latest revision available

[01:48:18]

kormoc:

I also keep fairly up to date in my own portage overlay, https://www.kormoc.com/trac/browser/portage

[01:48:18]

clever:

yeah

[01:48:24]

clever:

i'll read the ebuild to see how it works

[01:48:48]

tanderson:

In fact, you can definitely do that

[01:49:10]

wagnerrp:

no need to change anything in the ebuild, just the name

[01:49:23]

wagnerrp:

at least thats the way the nvidia driver ebuild works

[01:49:27]

clever:

cant hurt to read it to learn how things work

[01:49:40]

clever:

i manualy installed the nvidia 180 beta, but something broke later on

[01:49:48]

clever:

i suspect genkernel nuked the nvidia.ko

[01:49:50]

tanderson:

wagnerrp: well, I meant so that you don't have to keep changing the name, and that every time you install it it pulls the latest revision

[01:50:15]

kormoc:

tanderson, meh, then you can't revert easily when something is broken or the like

[01:50:20]

clever:

i think the grub-9999 will load trunk head every time you emerge it, from what i heard in #gentoo

[01:50:26]

kormoc:

it does

[01:50:34]

clever:

but i wouldnt want that with mythtv, since i need to sync every box to the same version

[01:50:57]

tanderson:

kormoc: true...but then you can remember the revision you were previously at and set a flag in the ebuild to roll back

[01:51:03]

kormoc:

meh

[01:51:07]

tanderson:

but yes, not optimal

[01:51:24]

kormoc:

I just have a script to create the files and all that jazz

[01:51:25]

tanderson:

which is why you devs should not make mistakes! ;-)

[01:51:58]

KraMer (KraMer!n=mark@adsl-70-240-215-231.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[01:51:59]

kormoc:

Mistakes? I intentionally commit broken code!

[01:53:22]

iamlindoro_:

he does you know

[01:53:27]

iamlindoro_:

it's all right there in the commit logs

[01:53:34]

iamlindoro_:

to weed out those that don't read it

[01:53:53]

iamlindoro_:

BOOBYTRAP BUILD: Don't build this! (Committed by kormoc, 23 minutes ago)

[01:54:09]

tanderson:

I don't, I just trust Doug ;-)

[01:54:12]

clever:

lol

[01:54:23]

tanderson:

iamlindoro_: I hope you jest :-)

[01:54:48]

iamlindoro_:

check the logs if you think I'm kidding

[01:55:20]

clever:

bbl

[02:02:55]

styelz (styelz!n=yoohoo@m0o0.mooo.com) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[02:03:35]

styelz (styelz!n=yoohoo@m0o0.mooo.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[02:05:39]

kormoc:

And another thousand lines poofed

[02:07:07]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro_: yeah! I'm getting channels now scanning within my FC10/Trunk box... ;-)

[02:07:14]

iamlindoro_:

cool

[02:07:32]

kormoc:

And I get listings again! Wooties

[02:07:43]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro_: I still hav no idea why it wasn't working on the FC8 box, but oh well... ;-)

[02:08:07]

J-e-f-f-A:

course, the frontend just segfaulted when the scan was complete... but I've read that's known...

[02:08:08]

iamlindoro_:

*shrugs*

[02:08:21]

iamlindoro_:

yep... well, and you're lucky if it completed

[02:08:31]

iamlindoro_:

taskset -c 0 mythtv-setup would help uif things went wrong

[02:08:53]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro_: seems to have... "Closing DVB channel", last thing is "-ScanProgressPopup()"

[02:26:42]

iamlindoro_:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/theme-menus.png

[02:26:50]

iamlindoro_:

Ugh, I cannot come up with anything decent for these menus

[02:28:07]

jduggan:

are these themes? or just mockups in some graphics app?

[02:28:20]

iamlindoro_:

themes

[02:28:30]

iamlindoro_:

well *a* theme technically

[02:28:43]

kormoc:

Mockups done in mythui!

[02:29:09]

iamlindoro_:

But aside from the things I've shown concepts of which have not been ported to MythUI (mythmusic and the OSD) everything else is a screenshot in-frontend

[02:31:48]

iamlindoro_:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/theme-PBB-actual6.png http://www.fecitfacta.com/MVplay2.png and http://www.fecitfacta.com/theme-menus.png are real, http://www.fecitfacta.com/theme-MythMusic.png and http://www.fecitfacta.com/theme-osd2.png are waiting for there portions to be ported to become real

[02:32:54]

iamlindoro_:

s/there/their/

[02:33:26]

Penfold (Penfold!n=mikewh@alysande.altrion.org) has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep")

[02:34:51]

jduggan:

is that leona lewis

[02:34:58]

iamlindoro_:

yep

[02:35:02]

jduggan:

she hot

[02:35:05]

iamlindoro_:

oh yes

[02:35:09]

jduggan:

i like the osd2 theme

[02:35:32]

jduggan:

and i like the menu theme

[02:35:50]

iamlindoro_:

Nothing to the menu one, just a strip and some glowy text

[02:36:00]

jduggan:

does the highlighted menu text always stay in that position? (offcenter to the right)?

[02:36:05]

kormoc:

Mmm... Glows with the power of awesome...

[02:36:37]

iamlindoro_:

yes, it is "center scrolling," but I've used negative coordinates to offset what center is

[02:38:42]

iamlindoro_:

See if we can't make these XBMC folks eat their words a bit ;)

[02:40:06]

iamlindoro_:

http://www.thg.ru/desktop/mythtv_iii/images/mythmusic.jpg

[02:40:13]

iamlindoro_:

Maybe I'll just make mythmusic look like that instead

[02:42:05]

andreax1 (andreax1!n=andreaz@p57B941EB.dip.t-dialin.net) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[02:43:29]

jhulst (jhulst!n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) has joined #mythtv-users

[02:46:43]

notyjoey (notyjoey!n=joe@gateway2.fasti.net) has quit (Operation timed out)

[02:50:02]

kormoc (kormoc!n=kormoc@unaffiliated/kormoc) has quit ()

[02:53:38]

notyjoey (notyjoey!n=joe@gateway2.fasti.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[02:54:40]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro_: Looking very nice (except for that last one you just pasted!) ;-)

[02:54:43]

inordkuo (inordkuo!n=inorkuo@adsl-226-137-93.int.bellsouth.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[03:01:35]

thefRont (thefRont!i=xelerato@suffers.from.internal-bleeding.de) has joined #mythtv-users

[03:01:45]

thefRont:

hi everyone

[03:02:09]

thefRont:

i think I'll just get straight to the point with my question ;)

[03:03:41]

iamlindoro_:

too late

[03:04:16]

thefRont:

I have a mac mini running ubuntu 8.04 with mythtv 0.21 and I am experiencing audio skips when playing back audio cds in mythMusic. The log says something about "WriteAudio: buffer underrun" every time a skip occurs

[03:05:15]

thefRont:

everything else works perfectly, so no skipping on dvb-t, dvd playback (with internal player)

[03:05:27]

kali67 (kali67!n=kali67@c-67-170-250-124.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[03:05:38]

thefRont:

I wonder what could cause this

[03:06:07]

thefRont:

skipping occurs about every 10 to 15 seconds

[03:07:56]

thefRont:

skipping does also not occur in other players like vlc, mplayer or amarok

[03:08:21]

thefRont:

only mythmusic shows this behavior

[03:11:35]

jduggan:

hrm, since updating my 'back' key doesnt act as escape in the menus... irw shows it as back but under any context in edit keys, it wont see this back key, but will see any other key press?

[03:11:39]

jduggan:

anyone got any ideas?

[03:12:21]

jduggan:

(its an mce remote)

[03:13:36]

GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: I kinda like this one http://www.fecitfacta.com/theme-menus.png ...course the background might be part of that eh

[03:14:14]

thefRont:

looks nice

[03:16:18]

iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx, Exactly, feels like cheating :)

[03:17:23]

kali67_ (kali67_!n=kali67@c-67-170-250-124.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[03:19:22]

iamlindoro_:

Watch recordings now looks like this: http://www.fecitfacta.com/theme-PBB-actual7.png

[03:19:36]

iamlindoro_:

Really need to get the randomized backgrounds in there for full effect :)

[03:20:44]

unstable (unstable!i=unstable@tor/regular/sid) has left #mythtv-users ()

[03:24:11]

jduggan:

bleh, my lircrc has button = Back config = Escape, irw shows back, mythtv does nothing with it?

[03:24:43]

DarkDrgn2k (DarkDrgn2k!n=DarkDrgn@CPE000f3d01971a-CM00125573082a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[03:25:05]

DarkDrgn2k:

can i extend RCA wire using speaker wire?

[03:25:12]

kali67 (kali67!n=kali67@c-67-170-250-124.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has quit (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out))

[03:25:20]

thefRont:

interesting... the skipping stops when using oss instead of alsa

[03:25:52]

jamesd:

DarkDrgn2k, possibly but you may loose sound quality... because of impedance and low levels involved

[03:25:54]

iamlindoro_:

it's all two-conductor, but RCA connectors are the *worst* connectors out there, and the most vulnerable to loss... it may not take kindly to it, *especially* at distances greater than 10–20 feet

[03:26:19]

thefRont:

hmm...looks like I was wrong...audio is still skipping

[03:26:27]

DarkDrgn2k:

jamesd: just want to put an RCA speaker in the back but i only ave speakr wire in the wall

[03:31:30]

poodyp (poodyp!n=poodyp@cpe-76-87-115-2.socal.res.rr.com) has quit ()

[03:32:07]

clever:

i have a set of rca plugs on some phone wire, to extect speakers

[03:32:20]

clever:

it worked fine for raw speaker level signals(post-amp)

[03:32:26]

clever:

but it was horid for composite video

[03:33:00]

clever:

but passing the cable beside the main breaker panel couldnt have helped it any

[03:33:54]

inordkuo (inordkuo!n=inorkuo@adsl-226-137-93.int.bellsouth.net) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[03:37:34]

jduggan:

fuckwit i be

[03:37:48]

clever:

bbl

[03:43:36]

kali67_ (kali67_!n=kali67@c-67-170-250-124.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has quit ()

[03:45:52]

RyeBrye:

Is G98 really required for VC1? The latest beta driver has this line in the notes: "Fix a bug that prevented VC-1/WMV3 decode from being allowed on some GPUs."

[03:47:17]

[gquit]bombadil ([gquit]bombadil!n=dana@CPE-70-94-44-157.wi.res.rr.com) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[03:54:39]

poodyp (poodyp!n=poodyp@adsl-69-231-58-169.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[03:56:28]

J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye: I dunno, I've just built a system with a 9400GT, and "vdpinfo" [tool from the web] shows it has MPEG and H264 support, but no VC1

[03:56:52]

RyeBrye:

yeah, interesting

[04:00:46]

Lexridge (Lexridge!n=Lexridge@75.108.69.120) has joined #mythtv-users

[04:01:09]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: what does lspci report that card as? G98 or?

[04:02:31]

jhulst (jhulst!n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host))

[04:02:33]

jhulst_ (jhulst_!n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) has joined #mythtv-users

[04:04:21]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: oh, wait a sec. yeah, VC1 apparently not supported on 9400GT, yeah, I remember now

[04:05:45]

Hoxzer (Hoxzer!n=dsadsad@dsl-hkigw7-fe1df900-39.dhcp.inet.fi) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[04:05:57]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: let me check...

[04:06:22]

RyeBrye:

wchich GPU's is the line in the latest driver talking about when it says: "Fix a bug that prevented VC-1/WMV3 decode from being allowed on some GPUs."?

[04:07:21]

mchou:

RyeBrye: I think you'd have better luck at nvidia's forums for that

[04:07:38]

mchou:

RyeBrye: or go ask Chutt

[04:07:38]

RyeBrye:

ok

[04:08:58]

Hoxzer (Hoxzer!n=dsadsad@dsl-hkigw7-fe1df900-39.dhcp.inet.fi) has joined #mythtv-users

[04:09:27]

poodyp (poodyp!n=poodyp@adsl-69-231-58-169.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))

[04:09:49]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Humm... "VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Device 042c (rev a1) prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) --- doesn't seem to say "GF9400GT" anywhere...

[04:11:21]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: That may answer why vdpau doesn't seem to be working for me at the moment...

[04:11:32]

kali67 (kali67!n=kali67@c-67-170-250-124.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[04:11:43]

mchou:

I dont think lspci is supposed to say that

[04:12:06]

mchou:

run update-pciids.sh

[04:12:29]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Well, on my current backend, it shows "nVidia Corporation NV44 [GeForce 6200 LE]" ...

[04:13:00]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: thats why I say run update-pciids.sh

[04:13:08]

J-e-f-f-A:

10–4. ;-)

[04:13:42]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: I don't seem to have that script on my system atm...

[04:14:16]

mchou:

you need to install pci-utils or whatever it's called

[04:14:30]

J-e-f-f-A:

okeydokey. ;-)

[04:15:45]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: says "pciutils-3.0.2–1.fc10.x86_64 already installed and the latest version"

[04:16:00]

mchou:

pciutils-devel

[04:16:35]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: yeah, same... doh!

[04:16:54]

mchou:

well, fc is screwed up then

[04:16:55]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Ah, no ".sh" on it...

[04:16:56]

jamesd (jamesd!n=jamesd@adsl-68-248-226-137.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[04:17:13]

J-e-f-f-A:

done now... ok, another lspci -v then ?

[04:17:19]

mchou:

yup

[04:17:55]

J-e-f-f-A:

Still shows it the same "Device 042c (rev a1)" ...

[04:18:05]

mchou:

well, that sucks

[04:18:30]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Thanks for the help anyways.... ;-)

[04:20:22]

Bearcat (Bearcat!n=Bearcat@sourcemage/apprentice/Bearcat) has left #mythtv-users ()

[04:20:40]

kormoc (kormoc!n=kormoc@unaffiliated/kormoc) has joined #mythtv-users

[04:20:40]

Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v kormoc

[04:26:05]

poodyp (poodyp!n=poodyp@adsl-69-231-58-169.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[04:26:07]

jamesd (jamesd!n=jamesd@adsl-68-248-226-137.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[04:28:20]

jackson__:

RyeBrye> wchich GPU's is the line in the latest driver talking about when it says: "Fix a bug that prevented VC-1/WMV3 decode from being allowed on some GPUs."? they fixed igp's like the 8200/8300 and I suppose others.

[04:34:18]

Dave123-road (Dave123-road!i=nobody@cpe-72-230-182-200.rochester.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[04:41:36]

EnderTheThird (EnderTheThird!n=phil@cblmdm72-241-237-214.buckeyecom.net) has quit ("Leaving")

[04:47:13]

jhulst_ (jhulst_!n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[04:50:04]

pab (pab!n=pab@dsl231-036-052.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net) has quit ("Don't follow me")

[04:52:17]

jhulst (jhulst!n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) has joined #mythtv-users

[05:00:49]

jhulst (jhulst!n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[05:01:02]

Lexridge:

I've noticed there has not been a real time kernel patch from Molnar for quite some time. Has the RT stuff been added to the offical kernel tree? If so, I'm gonna give 2.6.28 a try.

[05:01:32]

Lexridge:

plus, ext4 might be fun to try.

[05:02:49]

atmaweapon (atmaweapon!n=atma@ip70-190-162-121.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[05:06:02]

atmaweapon:

for mythvideo, is there a way to update the video database without having to go to the video manager each time?

[05:06:45]

thefRont is now known as thefront

[05:07:04]

Lexridge:

atmaweapon: Not that I have found.

[05:09:28]

atmaweapon:

:/

[05:10:00]

Lexridge:

atmaweapon: It should just scan a given directory, but apparently is not able to do this. Perhaps the next version will fix this.

[05:11:20]

Lexridge:

not a big deal to me really, but I can see how it could be for others.

[05:11:57]

atmaweapon:

yeah. i was hoping it was handled by a separate script, but couldn't find one.

[05:12:26]

atmaweapon:

yeah, it's not too huge a deal, just the only step remaining from completely automating my video archiving.

[05:12:49]

Lexridge:

it could be controllable via the user scripts. Not sure.

[05:14:02]

Anduin:

atmaweapon: You can turn on file browsing for a view or use find_meta.py

[05:16:28]

i_is_cat (i_is_cat!n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) has quit ("pre-defined quit message")

[05:17:56]

atmaweapon:

find_meta.py finds new files in the video dir(s)?

[05:18:04]

sandeen (sandeen!n=sandeen@65.122.67.200) has joined #mythtv-users

[05:19:53]

Anduin:

no one actually knows, I don't think a single person has ever looked at it

[05:19:58]

jamesd_ (jamesd_!n=jamesd@adsl-68-248-233-214.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[05:20:51]

jamesd (jamesd!n=jamesd@adsl-68-248-226-137.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net) has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))

[05:23:22]

atmaweapon:

as far as I can tell, it's just for metadata, but I could be wrong.

[05:24:07]

Lexridge:

that's all it needs. The metadata is plenty.

[05:24:15]

quantum__ (quantum__!n=quantum@71-214-130-5.roch.qwest.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[05:25:05]

Lexridge:

all the metadata relates to a database table/column. It updates that database with this data, including paths, etc.

[05:29:16]

iamlindoro_:

RyeBrye, The line was referring to IGP g98 cards, which didn't work at first, but still all g98

[05:29:29]

RyeBrye:

Ah, gotcha.

[05:29:33]

RyeBrye:

thanks

[05:29:47]

iamlindoro_:

and yes, only g98 supports VC1 ATM

[05:29:53]

iamlindoro_:

using VDPAU, anyway

[05:33:08]

inordkuo (inordkuo!n=inorkuo@adsl-226-137-93.int.bellsouth.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[05:35:55]

atmaweapon:

i think it's for metadata on videos already in the db

[05:39:01]

inordkuo1 (inordkuo1!n=inorkuo@adsl-226-137-93.int.bellsouth.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[05:39:07]

inordkuo (inordkuo!n=inorkuo@adsl-226-137-93.int.bellsouth.net) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[05:39:44]

inordkuo1 (inordkuo1!n=inorkuo@adsl-226-137-93.int.bellsouth.net) has quit (Client Quit)

[05:39:55]

atmaweapon:

like, for imdb information and such

[05:40:03]

inordkuo (inordkuo!n=inorkuo@adsl-226-137-93.int.bellsouth.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[05:41:54]

Lexridge:

you're already over my head. I've not used any of those features. I use about 1/10th of myth's capabilities....if that.

[05:42:13]

Neeesat2 (Neeesat2!n=Neeesat@213.7.115.130) has joined #mythtv-users

[05:42:24]

Neeesat2:

Good Morning

[05:43:09]

Lexridge:

what's so good about it? ;)

[05:43:48]

Neeesat2:

I have try Blootube-wide theme and when I try to select Watch Videos It doesn't work and gives me: Error: container 'mythvideo' is missing a child element named 'videos'

[05:44:05]

jduggan:

broken theme

[05:44:20]

Neeesat2:

Is there a fix?

[05:44:22]

Lexridge:

does it only happen while using this theme?

[05:44:29]

jduggan:

yes its a simple fix

[05:44:38]

Neeesat2:

All Juski themes

[05:44:43]

jduggan:

some element was renamed IIRC

[05:44:53]

jduggan:

and your theme isnt up to date to reflect it

[05:45:00]

jduggan:

google

[05:45:03]

Neeesat2:

hmm

[05:45:04]

jduggan:

check mailing lists

[05:45:05]

jduggan:

etc

[05:45:50]

jk1joel (jk1joel!n=jsmith@ns.jk1.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[05:47:32]

Lexridge:

again, and still off topic: I've noticed there has not been a real time kernel patch from Molnar for quite some time. Has the RT stuff been added to the offical kernel tree?

[05:48:25]

jduggan:

it was included in 2.6.18

[05:48:27]

kormoc:

as of 2.6.18 iirc

[05:48:35]

jduggan:

old news

[05:48:48]

jduggan:

prolly like

[05:48:50]

jduggan:

18months ago?

[05:49:08]

kormoc:

more then that, fall of 2006 iirc

[05:49:10]

jduggan:

maybe more?

[05:49:15]

jduggan:

oh jesus

[05:49:16]

jduggan:

time flies

[05:49:27]

Lexridge:

jduggan: they have been adding some rt stuff to the kernel, but nothing like Molnar's patch.

[05:49:37]

kormoc:

erm

[05:50:10]

kormoc:

Molnar's main patch was the preemption patch, which is in there

[05:50:41]

Lexridge:

kormoc: in there since which kernel veresion?

[05:50:47]

kormoc:

2.6.18

[05:51:00]

Lexridge:

okay, that is what I read. Cool!

[05:51:12]

kormoc:

http://rt.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page

[05:51:27]

Lexridge:

I have been there, and it's not updated.

[05:52:28]

kormoc:

it has updates on some of the newer patches

[05:52:33]

Lexridge:

The last patch available is for the 2.6.26 kernel. So I assumed maybe it was included since 2.6.27.

[05:52:36]

kormoc:

none majorly important

[05:53:36]

Lexridge:

good news! I look forward to trying it, as the 2.6.26rt patch failed on my machine miserably!

[06:01:49]

Lexridge:

I just used a #make oldconfig using a RT patched 2.6.24 kernel. Do ya think that will work? Seems to be compiling okay presently.

[06:02:35]

Lexridge:

shit, the #make oldconfig was BASED on the .config file for the 2.4.26 kernel.

[06:02:50]

kormoc:

Watch the language...

[06:03:05]

Lexridge:

oh! sorry!

[06:03:45]

Lexridge:

I still not explaining this very well. DOH!

[06:05:22]

Lexridge:

I copied a .config file from kernel linux-2.6.24 which had the RT patch applied. Will that config file update correctly with a 2.6.28 #make oldconfig

[06:05:53]

Lexridge:

without a patch applied?

[06:06:04]

kormoc:

only one way to find out

[06:06:21]

Lexridge:

well, all seems well so far. :)

[06:06:37]

Lexridge:

still building

[06:06:47]

psm321 (psm321!n=pmahal@c-98-243-65-191.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[06:07:21]

psm321:

is there a way to tell what features a myth build was compiled with? (i.e. if it has lirc support)

[06:08:25]

jams:

psm321- mythfrontend --version

[06:08:46]

psm321:

heh, thanks

[06:08:50]

inordkuo (inordkuo!n=inorkuo@adsl-226-137-93.int.bellsouth.net) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[06:08:56]

Neeesat2:

I couldn't find a fix. Except from the basic themes none of the others works with latest trunk

[06:09:19]

kormoc:

Neeesat2, and you think there is a fix why?

[06:09:43]

Neeesat2:

well I search for it

[06:10:02]

kormoc:

Neeesat2, the fix is to update the themes with all the mythui changes that's going on

[06:10:26]

Neeesat2:

I have latest versions

[06:10:33]

kormoc:

erm

[06:10:53]

jduggan:

Neeesat2: are you following .22 trunk?

[06:11:09]

jduggan:

.21-fixes?

[06:11:12]

Neeesat2:

yes

[06:11:16]

kormoc:

Neeesat2, when I said the fix is that, I mean someone needs to do that, noone is currently

[06:11:17]

jduggan:

which?

[06:11:18]

Neeesat2:

.22 trunk

[06:11:24]

jduggan:

there are like, no themes for it

[06:11:28]

jduggan:

:o

[06:11:30]

jduggan:

well

[06:11:34]

jduggan:

a few ;)

[06:12:20]

Neeesat2:

I have notice it. Just the old ones

[06:12:56]

kormoc:

Neeesat2, so unless you're gonna update the themes, you're stuck with what you got

[06:13:15]

jduggan:

UI changes are almost daily AFAIK, in trunk

[06:14:21]

kormoc:

sphery, I just wanted to mention that your patch in #4956 is brilliant. I've been doing it the hard way for a long time...

[06:14:34]

jamesd_ (jamesd_!n=jamesd@adsl-68-248-233-214.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net) has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer))

[06:15:21]

Neeesat2:

So most people are using the .21-fixes?

[06:16:06]

Anduin:

the released version, yes

[06:17:08]

nuonguy (nuonguy!n=john@c-24-6-174-132.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[06:17:17]

_d0nets:

anyone know how to setup myth with directv

[06:17:30]

_d0nets:

like how i get the guide and my mce remote working

[06:17:37]

_d0nets:

im using a pvr150 and the direct tv STB

[06:17:46]

_d0nets:

right now i have to use the directv remote to change the chan on the STB

[06:18:37]

kormoc:

you need to setup a ir blaster to change the channel on the direct tv STB

[06:19:25]

_d0nets:

i have an irblaster

[06:19:38]

kormoc:

so set it up?

[06:20:27]

_d0nets:

i cant find any good tutorials for that

[06:20:35]

Lexridge:

kormoc is right, but it is not an exact science and....well, good luck. I've had very little luck in making my ir-blaster talk to my DishNet rx.

[06:20:40]

DarkDrgn2k (DarkDrgn2k!n=DarkDrgn@CPE000f3d01971a-CM00125573082a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has quit ()

[06:20:43]

jamesd (jamesd!n=jamesd@adsl-68-248-233-214.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[06:20:47]

psm321:

how do i get mythtv's configure to ignore my qt4 install again? (0.21-fixes)

[06:22:27]

i_is_cat (i_is_cat!n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[06:26:37]

Lexridge:

psm321: If you compilation is looking for qt4, you might be attempting to build the trunk version.Try the standard release first.

[06:27:13]

psm321:

Lexridge: i'm using .21-fixes, which i'm pretty sure is qt3

[06:27:22]

psm321:

i actually already have it running on my system

[06:27:28]

psm321:

trying to reinstall with lirc support

[06:27:31]

psm321:

same source tree

[06:27:41]

psm321:

except i think i've installed qt4 since then

[06:27:48]

psm321:

and its picking up that one instead of qt3

[06:28:06]

psm321:

i know i've had this issue before on a different system but dont remember how i fixed it

[06:30:58]

Lexridge:

IT should not pick up on qt4 if not required.

[06:32:24]

notyjoey (notyjoey!n=joe@gateway2.fasti.net) has quit (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer))

[06:32:25]

mchou (mchou!n=mchou@unaffiliated/mchou) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[06:32:40]

mchou (mchou!n=mchou@unaffiliated/mchou) has joined #mythtv-users

[06:33:00]

psm321:

Lexridge: hmm...

[06:33:44]

Anduin:

but if it ever picked up the qt4 qmake you may need to delete the generated Makefiles

[06:33:59]

psm321:

Anduin: i think thats what it is

[06:34:08]

psm321:

its picking up the qt4 qmake

[06:34:29]

psm321:

but setting the QTDIR to /usr/qt/3 and running configure doesnt seem to have fixed it

[06:34:35]

psm321:

just delete all Makefiles?

[06:34:51]

Lexridge:

yea, and the cache files

[06:36:27]

psm321:

yay :)

[06:36:29]

psm321:

thx guys

[06:36:59]

psm321:

deleting makefiles and then QTDIR="/usr/qt/3" ./configure did the trick

[06:37:32]

Lexridge:

awesome!

[06:39:13]

Lexridge:

Wow! I'm watching my myth recorded Alabama vs Utah game. What a GAME!!!! HS!!!

[06:39:31]

jk1joel (jk1joel!n=jsmith@ns.jk1.net) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[06:40:29]

MartinCleaver_ (MartinCleaver_!n=martincl@206-248-157-222.dsl.teksavvy.com) has quit ()

[06:44:04]

Lexridge (Lexridge!n=Lexridge@75.108.69.120) has quit ("Leaving")

[06:46:25]

notyjoey (notyjoey!n=joe@gateway2.fasti.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[06:53:51]

kali67 (kali67!n=kali67@c-67-170-250-124.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has quit ()

[07:02:54]

Vyrus001 (Vyrus001!n=Vyrus001@pool-71-189-61-27.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[07:03:03]

Vyrus001:

when i play videos with mplayer, no other paramiters i get a blue screen (but working audio), when i use -vo gl i get a white screen, when i play with -vo gl2 i get working picture and sound but video playback is VERRY slow... whats wrong?

[07:06:34]

zlyzyr (zlyzyr!n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[07:16:02]

RyeBrye:

should all recent GeForce 8400 use G98? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814162027 ? I know from people here that this one: is g98: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121235

[07:16:08]

kormoc (kormoc!n=kormoc@unaffiliated/kormoc) has quit ()

[07:16:59]

gnome42 (gnome42!n=gnome42@69-196-169-87.dsl.teksavvy.com) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[07:17:10]

RyeBrye:

I'm putting it on a second frontend, so I don't care if it's the best thing in the world

[07:19:06]

tris:

hey, since upgrading from mythtv 0.20 to 0.21, mythfrontend crashes when I try going into Setup->Appearance... top of the backtrace in gdb says FT_Stream_Seek() from /usr/lib/libfreetype.so.6 — anyone seen this before?

[07:24:47]

KraMer (KraMer!n=mark@adsl-70-240-215-231.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) has left #mythtv-users ("Leaving")

[07:29:44]

_d0nets:

hey

[07:29:44]

Neeesat2 (Neeesat2!n=Neeesat@213.7.115.130) has quit ()

[07:29:54]

_d0nets:

how do i get my guide for directv in mythtv?

[07:31:11]

_d0nets:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Controll . . . V_D11_remote

[07:31:37]

Goga777 (Goga777!n=Goga777@shpd-78-36-177-209.static.vologda.ru) has joined #mythtv-users

[07:31:39]

_d0nets:

oh i think i have a d10

[07:47:05]

Vyrus001 (Vyrus001!n=Vyrus001@pool-71-189-61-27.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) has quit ("Lost terminal")

[07:47:41]

Reiver (Reiver!n=medontwa@c-67-171-44-233.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[07:55:59]

Goga777 (Goga777!n=Goga777@shpd-78-36-177-209.static.vologda.ru) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[08:03:17]

dkeith (dkeith!n=dkeith@pool-98-118-119-204.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:07:23]

GlemSom (GlemSom!n=glemsom@93.163.75.202) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:12:10]

poodyp (poodyp!n=poodyp@adsl-69-231-58-169.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) has quit ()

[08:21:20]

dkeith_ (dkeith_!n=dkeith@173.48.206.156) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[08:26:56]

tris:

for anyone who cares: reinstalling/upgrading qt3 turned out to fix the crash above

[08:33:42]

_d0nets is now known as d0nets

[08:36:17]

d0nets is now known as d0netsFN

[08:39:58]

i_is_cat (i_is_cat!n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[08:52:04]

notyjoey (notyjoey!n=joe@gateway2.fasti.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[08:53:13]

poodyp (poodyp!n=mordac@cpe-76-87-115-2.socal.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:59:10]

Dibblah (Dibblah!n=allan@80-192-14-169.cable.ubr02.dund.blueyonder.co.uk) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:22:45]

Penfold (Penfold!n=mikewh@alysande.altrion.org) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:26:53]

Reiver (Reiver!n=medontwa@c-67-171-44-233.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:28:01]

EnderTheThird (EnderTheThird!n=phil@cblmdm72-241-237-214.buckeyecom.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:32:24]

EvilGuru (EvilGuru!n=freddie@dyn1221-225.wlan.ic.ac.uk) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:34:05]

grokky (grokky!n=grokky@ppp118-208-206-163.lns10.mel6.internode.on.net) has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep")

[09:35:41]

Hoxzer (Hoxzer!n=dsadsad@dsl-hkigw7-fe1df900-39.dhcp.inet.fi) has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer))

[09:39:50]

Hoxzer (Hoxzer!n=dsadsad@dsl-hkigw7-fe1df900-39.dhcp.inet.fi) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:40:10]

i_is_cat (i_is_cat!n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:48:22]

poodyp_ (poodyp_!n=poodyp@cpe-76-87-115-2.socal.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:50:03]

octavsly (octavsly!n=octavian@195-241-244-119.ip.telfort.nl) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:53:57]

EnderTheThird (EnderTheThird!n=phil@cblmdm72-241-237-214.buckeyecom.net) has quit ("Leaving")

[09:59:19]

grokky (grokky!n=grokky@ppp118-208-206-163.lns10.mel6.internode.on.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[10:00:59]

poodyp_ (poodyp_!n=poodyp@cpe-76-87-115-2.socal.res.rr.com) has quit ()

[10:14:58]

EvilGuru:

Does anyone know how ofcom plans to handle HD over freeview? (I presume it will be h.264, but don't know if it will require new freeview cards or if the case will be the same as those who have DVB-S cards.)

[10:15:24]

poodyp_ (poodyp_!n=poodyp@cpe-76-87-115-2.socal.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[10:31:44]

dashcloud (dashcloud!n=szakulec@pool-141-158-224-133.phil.east.verizon.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[10:34:37]

MartinCleaver_ (MartinCleaver_!n=martincl@206-248-157-222.dsl.teksavvy.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[10:40:37]

sebrock (sebrock!n=sebastia@hd5b90669.c46-01-08.dyn.perspektivbredband.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[10:47:33]

stuarta (stuarta!n=stuarta@unaffiliated/stuarta) has joined #mythtv-users

[10:47:34]

Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v stuarta

[10:55:32]

kormoc (kormoc!n=kormoc@unaffiliated/kormoc) has joined #mythtv-users

[10:55:32]

Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v kormoc

[11:01:53]

gbee (gbee!n=gbee@cpc2-derb9-0-0-cust507.leic.cable.ntl.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[11:05:35]

Hoxzer (Hoxzer!n=dsadsad@dsl-hkigw7-fe1df900-39.dhcp.inet.fi) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[11:08:47]

Reiver (Reiver!n=medontwa@c-67-171-44-233.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[11:09:40]

Hoxzer (Hoxzer!n=dsadsad@dsl-hkigw7-fe1df900-39.dhcp.inet.fi) has joined #mythtv-users

[11:12:13]

MartinCleaver_ (MartinCleaver_!n=martincl@206-248-157-222.dsl.teksavvy.com) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[11:17:02]

zlyzyr (zlyzyr!n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[11:28:32]

poodyp (poodyp!n=mordac@cpe-76-87-115-2.socal.res.rr.com) has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer))

[11:32:09]

psofa (psofa!n=psofa@adsl10-103.ath.forthnet.gr) has joined #mythtv-users

[11:40:55]

wetwilly_ (wetwilly_!n=wetwilly@c83-249-80-198.bredband.comhem.se) has joined #mythtv-users

[11:42:50]

octavsly (octavsly!n=octavian@195-241-244-119.ip.telfort.nl) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[11:44:52]

octavsly (octavsly!n=octavian@195-241-244-119.ip.telfort.nl) has joined #mythtv-users

[11:50:31]

octavsly (octavsly!n=octavian@195-241-244-119.ip.telfort.nl) has quit ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12")

[11:57:28]

Traveler8 (Traveler8!n=traveler@cpc1-swin3-0-0-cust176.sol2.cable.ntl.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:00:55]

waxhead (waxhead!n=pete@58.165.248.161) has quit ("Ex-Chat")

[12:00:56]

Traveler9 (Traveler9!n=traveler@cpc1-swin3-0-0-cust176.sol2.cable.ntl.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:04:20]

etnoy (etnoy!n=etnoy@227.236.216.81.static.vs.vf.siwnet.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:05:43]

etnoy:

am I just blind, or do I not find the option to always run the frontend in a window without having to add -w to the options?

[12:05:47]

etnoy:

I'm using svn

[12:13:34]

banyan (banyan!n=banyan@S0106001cf0fc0c7d.cg.shawcable.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[12:28:56]

erb (erb!i=erb@liquidswords.org) has quit (Nick collision from services.)

[12:29:00]

erb (erb!i=erb@liquidswords.org) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:30:08]

erb (erb!i=erb@liquidswords.org) has quit (Nick collision from services.)

[12:30:48]

Traveler9 (Traveler9!n=traveler@cpc1-swin3-0-0-cust176.sol2.cable.ntl.com) has quit ("Java user signed off")

[12:34:00]

erb (erb!i=erb@liquidswords.org) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:35:13]

Hoxzer (Hoxzer!n=dsadsad@dsl-hkigw7-fe1df900-39.dhcp.inet.fi) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[12:39:33]

Hoxzer (Hoxzer!n=dsadsad@dsl-hkigw7-fe1df900-39.dhcp.inet.fi) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:48:02]

Reiver (Reiver!n=medontwa@c-67-171-44-233.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:48:09]

nuonguy (nuonguy!n=john@c-24-6-174-132.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep")

[12:52:46]

jvs (jvs!n=jvs@cpe90-146-210-116.liwest.at) has joined #mythtv-users

[13:02:43]

Goga777 (Goga777!n=Goga777@shpd-92-101-131-52.vologda.ru) has joined #mythtv-users

[13:11:00]

wuzle (wuzle!n=paul@c-66-31-78-53.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[13:14:57]

wuzle:

When I resume from s3 with mythwelcome, mythwelcome doesn't correctly startup mythfrontend when it was a user initiated resume. Any way to fix this?

[13:30:49]

oobe (oobe!n=oobe@220-244-162-235.static.tpgi.com.au) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[13:31:27]

olejl (olejl!n=olejl@92.96.84.156) has left #mythtv-users ()

[13:39:44]

whoDat (whoDat!i=cal@yossman.net) has left #mythtv-users ()

[13:41:21]

olejl (olejl!n=olejl@92.96.84.156) has joined #mythtv-users

[13:47:49]

psm321 (psm321!n=pmahal@c-98-243-65-191.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has quit ("Leaving")

[13:50:04]

Guest96185 (Guest96185!n=quantum@71-214-130-5.roch.qwest.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[13:53:37]

andreax (andreax!n=andreaz@p57B941EB.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[13:56:34]

nullsmack (nullsmack!n=test@c-98-220-223-75.hsd1.in.comcast.net) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[14:00:03]

J-e-f-f-A_ (J-e-f-f-A_!n=mythtv@pool-173-48-112-114.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[14:00:04]

J-e-f-f-A (J-e-f-f-A!n=mythtv@pool-173-48-112-114.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[14:06:31]

sphery:

kormoc: re: #4956, thanks, but I have to admit I just copied the logic from the backend's implementation of the logic to select shows. :) CDev has promised to accept the patch, but hasn't been around to apply it. It would be /very/ nice if it's applied before 0.22 is released (so programs using the XML guide stuff don't have to do it the hard way, again, like in 0.21).

[14:07:00]

grokky (grokky!n=grokky@ppp118-208-206-163.lns10.mel6.internode.on.net) has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep")

[14:07:46]

kormoc:

I'm actually looking into using the xml interface for mythweb, so I'll likely apply it soonish

[14:08:17]

sphery:

Cool.

[14:08:38]

sphery:

I haven't checked if that one still applies in forever, but as simple as it is, I'm guessing it should be fine.

[14:08:50]

Slim-Kimbo (Slim-Kimbo!n=Kimbo@host86-150-233-143.range86-150.btcentralplus.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[14:08:58]

** kormoc nods **

[14:09:29]

kormoc:

Before the interface is usable for mythweb, we'll need to add in some extra info, but doesn't seem to be too hard

[14:09:43]

sphery:

Cool.

[14:10:03]

sphery:

You do know about the detail and summary views, right?

[14:10:11]

andreax (andreax!n=andreaz@p57B941EB.dip.t-dialin.net) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[14:10:45]

kormoc:

Aye, but sadly neather have recording information (scheduled, previously, etc)

[14:10:56]

sphery:

Oh.

[14:10:59]

sphery:

Cool.

[14:11:16]

jvs_ (jvs_!n=jvs@cpe90-146-210-116.liwest.at) has joined #mythtv-users

[14:11:52]

jvs (jvs!n=jvs@cpe90-146-210-116.liwest.at) has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host))

[14:12:03]

sphery:

I can't wait 'til you switch MythWeb over to using the XML interface. A lot of other programs copied MythWeb's approach (rather than using bindings/XML, they go to the DB directly), so updating MythWeb for the new approach will likely lead some of them to the right approach.

[14:13:03]

kormoc:

Hopefully it'll be fast enough. Speed testing mythproto vs database was 45 seconds vs 8 for full guide data for myself, that's fairly extreme

[14:13:22]

sphery:

wow

[14:13:49]

sphery:

Yeah, considering how many complain about how "slow" MythWeb is, that wouldn't be a good thing.

[14:14:18]

sphery:

Anyway, gotta get to my beach volleyball game. Good luck and have fun with the XML stuff.

[14:14:20]

anykey_:

does MythTV support the Running-Status-Flag of DVB?

[14:14:26]

** kormoc waves **

[14:14:27]

kormoc:

Enjoy!

[14:14:43]

stuarta:

anykey_: ISTR we put something in about that

[14:15:05]

stuarta:

or did it never get out of patch stage.... hmmmm

[14:15:34]

anykey_:

stuarta: you have a ticket number or something?

[14:15:47]

stuarta:

actually i think i'm thinking of the wrong thing

[14:16:02]

gbee:

stuarta: never got out of patch stage, janneg wrote a patch but I never heard anything about it again after that

[14:16:03]

jvs_ is now known as jvs

[14:16:12]

stuarta:

i don't believe we do support that flag explicitly

[14:16:50]

stuarta:

anykey_: are you talking about a running status flag at program level or at channel level?

[14:17:11]

gbee:

not in a "running status is finished, mythtv stops recording" or setting cut marks according to the running status

[14:17:22]

anykey_:

stuarta: at programm level

[14:18:16]

stuarta:

thats to signal program starting to a STB iirc

[14:18:21]

anykey_:

stuarta: I have a channel that states to show a programme from 23.00 to 09.15, in fact the show ends at 01.15 in the morning (the running-status-flag is then also set to 'not running')....

[14:18:37]

stuarta:

nice

[14:19:07]

** stuarta larts broadcaster **

[14:19:19]

anykey_:

yeah, especially since it's HD, disk usage++ ;)

[14:19:42]

anykey_:

seems like VDR supports it :/

[14:20:01]

stuarta:

like gbee said, patches were created but didn't get much further

[14:20:08]

stuarta:

dunno if they were ticketed

[14:20:17]

anykey_:

that would be the RST flag: http://www.etherguidesystems.com/Help/SDOs/DV . . . ons/RST.aspx

[14:20:19]

gbee:

I just think everyone forgot about it

[14:20:36]

gbee:

no tickets were created

[14:20:44]

** gbee pokes janneg **

[14:23:10]

alexvd_ (alexvd_!n=alexvd@pool-71-187-31-161.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[14:23:34]

wuzle (wuzle!n=paul@c-66-31-78-53.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) has left #mythtv-users ()

[14:23:44]

gbee:

I'd suggest that if we do pay attention to the running status that we still pad, I wouldn't put it past broadcasters to start messing with the flags by a minute or two to screw up PVRs

[14:24:39]

anykey_:

seems like daniel was also involved: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-dev/2006-April/047350.html

[14:24:40]

stefanj (stefanj!n=stefan@81-178-37-229.dsl.pipex.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[14:25:01]

belamu2 is now known as bestis

[14:28:25]

justinh (justinh!n=unknown@cpc1-salf4-0-0-cust54.manc.cable.ntl.com) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[14:47:36]

troldrik (troldrik!n=cbaoth@0x57391dca.abnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk) has joined #mythtv-users

[14:48:29]

troldrik:

Isn't there a script to make a dir of symlinks with sensable names for the .nuv files somewhere?

[14:50:37]

kkuno (kkuno!n=wefw@151.64.206.38) has joined #mythtv-users

[14:53:16]

justinh (justinh!n=Justin@cpc1-salf4-0-0-cust54.manc.cable.ntl.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[14:55:22]

justinh:

troldrik: mythrename --link $dirname will create a bunch of friendly-named symbolic links within $dirname

[14:56:17]

sebrock (sebrock!n=sebastia@hd5b90669.c46-01-08.dyn.perspektivbredband.net) has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep")

[14:57:00]

troldrik:

Ah thanks... couldn't remember the name.

[14:58:32]

troldrik:

Next problem.. where does ubuntu put the contrib dir. :p

[14:59:14]

laga:

/usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/ AFAIK

[15:02:57]

justinh:

oh hell's teeth. Inadvertently pulled the plug on the backend, had to fsck & now upcoming recordings is empty

[15:04:05]

laga:

optimize_mythdb.pl

[15:04:43]

justinh:

done that. still empty

[15:05:34]

justinh:

hrm. why is this in config.xml in my home dir? <DBPort>0</DBPort>

[15:05:40]

justinh:

that can't be right

[15:06:30]

kormoc:

0 means default iirc

[15:06:45]

kormoc:

and why I'm still up is beyond me

[15:06:50]

justinh:

heh

[15:07:01]

justinh:

well, did a --resched & upcoming recordings are listed now. phew

[15:07:32]

porcodildo (porcodildo!n=wefw@151.64.206.38) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:09:34]

justinh:

finally got round to sorting out my car stereo wiring today. At last it turns off when I switch the ignition off. Stupid European wiring & their fancy 'courtesy timer' crap

[15:12:42]

test1 (test1!n=test1@81-66-55-24.rev.numericable.fr) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:14:38]

test1:

hi all

[15:15:19]

test1:

is there a way to make that all recording stop 10 min after end of program ?

[15:15:40]

kormoc:

set the default postroll to 10 minutes?

[15:15:56]

CrazyFoam (CrazyFoam!n=gturner@genuxb.unzane.com) has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer))

[15:15:59]

test1:

ok.. where is it plz ?

[15:17:35]

kkuno (kkuno!n=wefw@151.64.206.38) has quit (Connection timed out)

[15:18:05]

dgarr (dgarr!n=dgarrett@adsl-76-252-218-0.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:23:14]

CrazyFoam (CrazyFoam!n=gturner@genuxb.unzane.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:24:12]

test1:

damn .. cant find this 'default postroll' ... i have my myth in french ... where is it ? in front end ? parameters ? where ? plzzz..

[15:27:41]

gbee:

Setup > TV > General – Time to record before start of show (in seconds) & Time to record past end of show (in seconds)

[15:28:11]

test1:

thank you vm

[15:28:15]

test1:

both

[15:31:21]

MartinCleaver_ (MartinCleaver_!n=martincl@206-248-157-222.dsl.teksavvy.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:33:17]

porcodildo (porcodildo!n=wefw@151.64.206.38) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[15:34:10]

gnome42 (gnome42!n=gnome42@69-196-169-87.dsl.teksavvy.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:34:25]

kkuno (kkuno!n=wefw@151.64.207.246) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:37:15]

test1:

wow ! got it .. ! (in front end)

[15:41:35]

test1:

and it works ; ty :)

[15:44:54]

andreax (andreax!n=andreaz@p57B941EB.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:45:54]

test1:

question : can nuvexport make avi, xvid, 320*240 , 30 fps ?

[15:46:42]

test1:

(anyway , hopefully, ffmpeg can :)

[15:48:09]

Saviq (Saviq!n=Saviq@static-78-8-144-80.ssp.dialog.net.pl) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:49:41]

test1 (test1!n=test1@81-66-55-24.rev.numericable.fr) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[15:52:38]

wetwilly_:

does mythbuntu come with a mpeg2 decoder?

[15:52:46]

porcodildo (porcodildo!n=wefw@151.64.202.180) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:53:00]

kkuno (kkuno!n=wefw@151.64.207.246) has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))

[15:53:51]

laga:

wetwilly_: yes.

[15:54:30]

wetwilly_:

ok, so I should be able to watch my providers stream out of the box then.

[15:55:15]

wetwilly_:

and if I want to save that stream I can use cat /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 > file.mpeg

[15:55:30]

** gbee frowns at wetwilly_ **

[15:56:10]

stuarta:

wetwilly_: do you actually have any idea what mythtv does?

[15:58:01]

laga:

it's a python frontend to cat?

[15:59:34]

gbee:

with a dog backend using hippo

[15:59:37]

Saviq:

guys, can I somehow 'stick' a frontend to a certain video source?

[16:03:11]

gbee:

Saviq: no

[16:03:45]

gbee:

cards are used for livetv on a first come, first served and the guide displays all sources

[16:04:10]

gbee:

to restrict a frontend to a particular source of set of sources would require patches

[16:04:40]

Saviq:

not even priorities? what about a default source for livetv?

[16:05:31]

gbee:

you can tell it to prefer the lowest priority card for livetv, i.e. the card least likely in-use for recordings

[16:05:57]

Saviq:

is that available per frontend?

[16:06:09]

gbee:

but if that card is in use, then it will use another

[16:06:10]

gbee:

no

[16:06:39]

Saviq:

I've a master backend, a frontend and a combined frontend / backend, does that impact source selection at all?

[16:08:10]

gbee:

can't comment, I don't know

[16:08:16]

Saviq:

ok thanks

[16:19:43]

flohack_temp (flohack_temp!n=hacki@chello084115131198.3.graz.surfer.at) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[16:27:17]

anykey_ (anykey_!n=guedel@84-72-183-129.dclient.hispeed.ch) has quit ("leaving")

[16:29:07]

etnoy:

I'm thinking about HDTV playback and myth

[16:29:16]

Guest61643 (Guest61643!n=Gandalf@firebird68400.dsl.xmission.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:29:25]

etnoy:

basically, by tomorrow we'll go out and replace our aging myth box with a shiny new computer

[16:29:52]

etnoy:

and my basic question is, what CPU and GPU will I need to support 1080p/h.264 playback under linux?

[16:30:05]

etnoy:

I've read and read but I just get more and more confused about the state of things

[16:30:32]

etnoy:

do I need a core 2 duo processor with 3GhZ today?

[16:30:37]

directhex:

etnoy, "stable" support – the most omgfast CPU you can buy

[16:30:43]

etnoy:

and how much off-loading can the gpu make?

[16:30:55]

directhex:

etnoy, unstable, might-possibly-explode support – a geforce 8-series or higher

[16:31:03]

etnoy:

omgfast == dual-core 3ghz?

[16:31:12]

etnoy:

directhex: that's with vpdau, right?

[16:31:15]

jduggan:

3ghz is usually enough

[16:31:17]

directhex:

etnoy, if 3ghz means core2, then yeah, that would probably do

[16:31:23]

etnoy:

okay

[16:31:30]

directhex:

or a bit lower with i7

[16:31:38]

jduggan:

etnoy: if youre using vdpau you can get away with much less.. though its not stable yet

[16:31:42]

etnoy:

and for the future I'll invest in a geforece 8xxx?

[16:31:52]

etnoy:

jduggan: yep, that's what I guessed

[16:32:17]

etnoy:

is there a list of vpday-compatible hardware? I'll want to have support for it when it goes stable

[16:32:23]

etnoy:

vpdau*

[16:32:39]

jduggan:

check the wiki

[16:32:43]

jduggan:

and check the mailing list

[16:32:47]

etnoy:

ok

[16:32:54]

etnoy:

well, a fast cpu it is then

[16:32:56]

etnoy:

thanks all!

[16:33:24]

Guest61643:

I am having trouble getting smooth play back.. I get an audio and video pause every one second or so, and I was curious if anyone knew why or if anyone knows of a good tutorial for optimizing playback settings? Geforce7200, 2.2Ghz Dual core, pcHDTV capture card Live TV works great.

[16:34:37]

directhex:

dual core what?

[16:34:55]

Guest61643:

Intel Pentium DC E2200 2.2GHz OEM

[16:35:06]

directhex:

what kind of media?

[16:36:07]

Guest61643:

Stoage media is a Segate 300Ghz SATA, Capturing digital brodcast media.

[16:36:14]

Guest61643:

GB no Ghz

[16:36:17]

MartinCleaver_ (MartinCleaver_!n=martincl@206-248-157-222.dsl.teksavvy.com) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[16:36:51]

MartinCleaver_ (MartinCleaver_!n=martincl@206-248-157-222.dsl.teksavvy.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:37:22]

directhex:

what resolution is the captured material?

[16:37:40]

anykey_ (anykey_!n=guedel@84-72-183-129.dclient.hispeed.ch) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:38:23]

Guest61643:

Not 100% sure... I appears on both Standard Definition and HD recordings..

[16:38:38]

porcodildo (porcodildo!n=wefw@151.64.202.180) has quit ("Sto andando via")

[16:38:53]

directhex:

you definitely have working xv and gl?

[16:39:47]

Guest61643:

I thought so, but I guess I better say I'm not 100% sure anymore... Would live TV work if xv and gl were not functional?

[16:41:07]

kkuno (kkuno!n=wefw@151.64.202.180) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:43:19]

directhex:

possibly, but slowly.

[16:43:26]

directhex:

you're saying livetv is fine, but recordings are not?

[16:44:11]

Guest61643:

Yes, I'm confident that the recordings them selves are okay but the mythtv doesn't play them back without a 1 second "glitched"

[16:44:29]

wetwilly_ (wetwilly_!n=wetwilly@c83-249-80-198.bredband.comhem.se) has quit ()

[16:44:36]

Guest61643:

I can even pause rewind fastforward without any issue during a liveTV session.

[16:45:33]

Guest61643:

I don't understand how a delayed liveTV feed would be different from a recorded feed...

[16:45:36]

wetwilly_ (wetwilly_!n=wetwilly@c83-249-80-198.bredband.comhem.se) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:46:44]

Guest61643:

Glitch is the wrong term it is a definitive pause...

[16:47:28]

stuarta:

try running the frontend with --verbose playback and see what it says

[16:47:32]

directhex:

it isn't different

[16:47:49]

directhex:

mythtv has no livetv per se – it just as "recording and playing the recording at the same time"

[16:48:17]

Guest61643:

That is what I thought, which is my ultimate confusion.

[16:48:31]

justinh:

livetv can be different if you're using hardware or software encoding because of recording profiles – but not if you're using a digital tuner, firewire or IPTV

[16:49:44]

Guest61643:

In the case of digital TV doesn't the system ultimately save the MPEG stream it receives?

[16:49:55]

justinh:

hrm my frontend is very unresponsive since the little bit of hassle earlier

[16:50:09]

stuarta:

hit it with a big stick

[16:50:15]

justinh:

Guest61643: yes

[16:50:50]

justinh:

Guest61643: which is why it's different to hardware or software encoding. sheesh

[16:52:47]

Guest61643:

Yes, I know this... In my case there is a difference between the playback of recorded and liveTV... I'm curious to know of any possible differences in how MythTV handles the two.

[16:54:31]

justinh:

like I said, the only difference would be recording profiles which in this case don't apply

[16:54:50]

justinh:

is this all on one machine or over a network?

[16:55:19]

Guest61643:

One machine (Backend/FrontEnd)

[16:55:42]

EvilGuru (EvilGuru!n=freddie@dyn1221-225.wlan.ic.ac.uk) has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer))

[16:55:51]

EvilGuru (EvilGuru!n=freddie@dyn1221-225.wlan.ic.ac.uk) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:56:19]

justinh:

could be any number of things, like the recordings you find play back fine are a lower resolution or lower bitrate than what you happen to have problems with 'live'

[16:57:18]

justinh:

without seeing any output from -v playback it's really impossible to say, so do as stuarta suggested. start listening, get further :)

[16:57:43]

** stuarta bangs head against GL contexts **

[16:59:58]

kslater (kslater!n=kslater@206.193.247.78.nauticom.net) has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))

[17:06:28]

Guest61643:

Very sorry for the inconvenience

[17:06:33]

Guest61643 (Guest61643!n=Gandalf@firebird68400.dsl.xmission.com) has left #mythtv-users ("Leaving")

[17:11:22]

notyjoey (notyjoey!n=joe@gateway2.fasti.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:25:31]

jduggan:

hrm, gbee in gallery view of mythvideo, when youre browsing through videos, the highlighted video is barely visible, is that my TV or is that a theme thing?

[17:25:37]

tanderson (tanderson!n=gentoofa@gentoo/developer/gentoofan23) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[17:25:59]

jduggan:

barely visible as in (you can barely tell the diference between the selected video and the rest)

[17:26:09]

jduggan:

-() ...

[17:26:33]

iamlindoro_:

depends on your theme

[17:26:38]

andreax1 (andreax1!n=andreaz@p57B97ED8.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:26:41]

jduggan:

erm, it might help if i mentioned this was metallurgy heh

[17:26:46]

jduggan:

iamlindoro_: nod :)

[17:27:21]

jduggan:

i directed the question towards gbee since it's his theme, but if anyone else has an answer

[17:28:04]

jduggan:

the selected video changes from a black background to a very dark grey.. might be my shit tv but you really have to pay attention to know which video is selected

[17:28:37]

jduggan:

its a toshiba HD that i bought maybe 4 or 5 years ago... not the best quality i'll admit :)

[17:29:03]

jduggan:

(and cost me a small fortune at the time :P)

[17:30:55]

iamlindoro_:

Not having intimate knowledge of metallurgy, you can likely solve your problem as simply as finding the selected state image in the theme directory and using any bitmap editing program to crank the brightness

[17:31:16]

porcodildo (porcodildo!n=wefw@151.64.206.123) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:34:31]

thefront is now known as thefRont

[17:34:35]

dgar1 (dgar1!n=dgarrett@adsl-76-246-19-246.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:35:55]

tanderson (tanderson!n=gentoofa@gentoo/developer/gentoofan23) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:36:14]

iamlindoro_:

Oy, 3D episode of Chuck? I should not need pointless glasses to watch TV

[17:36:26]

GlemSom (GlemSom!n=glemsom@93.163.75.202) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[17:37:57]

gbee:

jduggan: common complaint, seems my monitors/TV has better contrast that some TVs

[17:38:52]

gbee:

if someone supplies a patch I'll fix it, but my focus is on other things right now, such as the mythui version of metallurgy and well, mythui

[17:39:34]

gbee:

oh yeah, it's an image ... ok I'll try to find a moment to turn out a new image

[17:40:15]

thefRont:

hey there

[17:40:16]

gbee:

since only I have the original SVGs to do that

[17:40:28]

thefRont:

I have a mac mini running ubuntu 8.04 with mythtv 0.21 and I am experiencing audio skips when playing back audio cds in MythMusic.

[17:40:38]

thefRont:

The log says something about "WriteAudio: buffer underrun" every time a skip occurs.

[17:40:55]

thefRont:

Everything else works perfectly, so no skipping when watching tv (DVB-T) or dvd playback (with the internal player)

[17:41:11]

thefRont:

Skipping occurs about every 10 to 15 seconds in MythMusic but it does not occur in other players like vlc, mplayer or amarok.

[17:41:29]

thefRont:

There is also no difference in using ALSA and OSS except that the error message above is not showing up when using OSS.

[17:41:31]

sphery:

thefRont: likely a sample rate issue (i.e. sound card wants 48kHz and you're trying to play a 44.1kHz audio stream)

[17:41:33]

thefRont:

any idea?

[17:41:47]

sphery:

which means your sound configuration is wrong

[17:42:00]

sphery:

(in MythMusic and/or MythTV)

[17:42:20]

thefRont:

ok, I will check that

[17:42:28]

sphery:

do you use ALSA on a mac mini?

[17:42:33]

thefRont:

yes

[17:42:35]

sphery:

or is it actually running mac

[17:42:45]

thefRont:

no, it's running ubuntu

[17:42:46]

sphery:

OK, then you can set up your ALSA to do conversion for you

[17:43:13]

sphery:

what do you have for audio output device?

[17:43:29]

sphery:

ALSA:default with no /etc/asound.conf or ~/.asoundrc will likely work

[17:43:33]

sphery:

(for analog out)

[17:43:40]

sphery:

for digital out, it's likely more complex

[17:43:52]

thefRont:

I'm using ALSA:default for output in mythtv config

[17:43:56]

jduggan:

hrm, this is really petty, but does myth support anything along the lines of... if a channel has a channel+1 channel also, if there's a conflict it records on the +1 channel?

[17:44:02]

andreax (andreax!n=andreaz@p57B941EB.dip.t-dialin.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[17:44:07]

sphery:

thefRont: and you're not using Pulse?

[17:44:15]

jduggan:

i guess the simple fix would be to get more tuners..

[17:44:18]

jduggan:

but.. :P

[17:44:23]

sphery:

jduggan: more tuners is always best

[17:44:30]

thefRont:

afaik no

[17:44:40]

iamlindoro_:

sphery, 8.04 on should be using pulse by default, except for Mythbuntu which does not

[17:44:43]

sphery:

jduggan: though I'm guessing you're saying you want to prefer HDTV (i.e. 2_1 instead of 2)?

[17:44:48]

kkuno (kkuno!n=wefw@151.64.202.180) has quit (Connection timed out)

[17:44:48]

thefRont:

but I'll check that now

[17:44:59]

iamlindoro_:

sphery, With 99% certainty he's using the ALSA emulation layer of pulse

[17:45:00]

stuarta:

jduggan: it'll do that automatically

[17:45:04]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: thanks for the clarification

[17:45:18]

iamlindoro_:

(unless he's done something intentional to change that)

[17:45:26]

stuarta:

so long as the program data is the same for both the chan & chan+1

[17:45:34]

sphery:

yeah, IMHO, anyone using Ubuntu for Myth /should/ be using MythBuntu

[17:45:39]

sphery:

(why re-invent the wheel)

[17:45:44]

iamlindoro_:

Should be as simple as running alsamixer

[17:45:51]

iamlindoro_:

It'll show "card" as "PulseAudio"

[17:45:53]

jduggan:

stuarta: where do you link the two (to say 4+1 is the same as channel 4?)

[17:46:04]

sphery:

callsign must be identical

[17:46:06]

sphery:

value is irrelevant

[17:46:09]

jduggan:

aha

[17:46:15]

stuarta:

or program data is identical

[17:46:23]

sphery:

or, just don't use the "this channel" recording rules

[17:46:27]

jduggan:

yea, i guess that depends on your recording settings

[17:46:31]

sphery:

any channel ftw!

[17:46:36]

jduggan:

sphery: nod, thats the problem i guess

[17:46:50]

jduggan:

i'll make the callsigns the same, is probably the best bet

[17:46:56]

sphery:

"this channel" is the most misused recording rule type in all of Myth

[17:47:07]

sphery:

Why not just use any channel

[17:47:10]

sphery:

it's much better, anyway

[17:47:11]

stuarta:

yes there is a missing concept of considering the timeshifted channels the same as the main channel

[17:47:12]

justinh_ (justinh_!n=unknown@cpc1-salf4-0-0-cust54.manc.cable.ntl.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:47:27]

justinh (justinh!n=Justin@cpc1-salf4-0-0-cust54.manc.cable.ntl.com) has quit (Nick collision from services.)

[17:47:33]

sphery:

Oh, this is one of those UK channels that I don't totally get...

[17:47:46]

stuarta:

sphery: any channel record works fine

[17:48:02]

stuarta:

apart from the occasions they put a radio version of a show on as well

[17:48:12]

jduggan:

lol

[17:48:14]

sphery:

jduggan: in that case, I'm pretty sure you do /not/ want to set the callsigns to be the same and you should use any channel

[17:48:23]

justinh (justinh!n=Justin@cpc1-salf4-0-0-cust54.manc.cable.ntl.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:48:31]

stuarta:

= lots of "no i don't want to record that stupid show on that radio channel" overrides

[17:48:37]

sphery:

if you need to avoid the radio channels, either hide (set not visible) or use custom recording rules

[17:48:55]

justinh_:

I wish somebody would can those +1 channels

[17:48:57]

sphery:

yeah, would have to do custom to say don't use a channel

[17:49:00]

justinh_:

waste of airspace

[17:49:01]

Lord_Deathscythe (Lord_Deathscythe!n=chris@c-76-18-178-167.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:49:14]

sphery:

though you could also set the radio channel priority /very/ low

[17:49:15]

jduggan:

justinh_: sorta.. if you have limited tuners theyre useful to avoid conflicts

[17:49:41]

jduggan:

though the channels with +1 are usually the ones with poor programming :P

[17:49:45]

stuarta:

we really should implement something that considers timeshifted channels as equal for "this channel" recording purposes

[17:49:50]

sphery:

(or just take the radio channel out of the Myth config)

[17:49:57]

gentoofan23_ (gentoofan23_!n=gentoofa@gentoo/developer/gentoofan23) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:50:03]

jduggan:

stuarta: thats basically what i was looking for

[17:50:13]

jduggan:

but i guess it works if i just set record on any channel

[17:50:15]

stuarta:

sphery: there's occasionally stuff worth recording on the radio channels

[17:50:26]

stuarta:

jduggan: yep, that's what i do

[17:50:30]

justinh_:

occasionally? loads!

[17:50:37]

stuarta:

unless it's a movie, when i use "find one showing"

[17:50:39]

dgarr (dgarr!n=dgarrett@adsl-76-252-218-0.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[17:50:44]

sphery:

stuarta: yeah, it /should/ work with the same callsign (bjm says equivalent callsign means channels are "substantially identical" content)

[17:51:03]

stuarta:

however it is wrong to make these channels the same callsign

[17:51:13]

sphery:

I agree

[17:51:15]

justinh_:

I record as much radio as I do TV almost

[17:51:26]

stuarta:

justinh_: well you are odd :-p

[17:51:30]

jduggan:

if you make them the same callsign, would mythfilldatabase put the wrong schedules in the timeshifted channel?

[17:51:33]

sphery:

jduggan: another approach is to make 2 different recording rules

[17:51:37]

justinh_:

Radio 4 ftw!

[17:51:47]

sphery:

one for +1 channel and one for not +1 channel

[17:51:52]

justinh_:

jduggan: no, coz the xmltvid are different

[17:51:57]

justinh_:

if you use xmltvids

[17:51:57]

iamlindoro_:

*shudder, dustyjustinhbin

[17:51:59]

stuarta:

just go for "any channel" fule, much easier

[17:52:05]

jduggan:

justinh_: thanks, yes i dod

[17:52:09]

jduggan:

-d

[17:52:30]

sphery:

or 2 "this channel" rules

[17:52:59]

** stuarta goes back to hunting GL contexts **

[17:53:21]

stuarta:

like rabbits, but harder to catch

[17:53:28]

justinh_:

anyway, as for users who don't have enough tuners, screw em :)

[17:53:41]

sphery:

be vewy quiet, he's hunting GL contexts...

[17:53:54]

justinh_:

even with 15 virtual tuners I still run into the occasional conflict though

[17:54:04]

sphery:

wow

[17:54:14]

sphery:

not that much worth recording here in the US :)

[17:54:21]

** iamlindoro_ punches Udo repeatedly in the face... **

[17:54:28]

stuarta:

or here

[17:54:28]

justinh_:

sphery: depends which muxes shows fall on ;)

[17:54:33]

iamlindoro_:

As you know, mythbackend leaks resources...

[17:54:33]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: yeah, that was a wonderful post

[17:54:46]

stuarta:

i'm so glad i don't read -users anymore

[17:55:08]

iamlindoro_:

I guess he figures after the last painful thread he might as well just restart it ever month or two

[17:55:14]

justinh_:

I dip into the archives sometimes. I'm still subscribed to all the lists but chose not to receive any mail

[17:55:19]

sphery:

as a certain dtk said, "there's no helping Udo since he won't run Myth without his patches"

[17:55:28]

iamlindoro_:

The total refusal to provide anything but the output of ps is fun too

[17:55:42]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: what more /proof/ do you need?

[17:55:48]

sphery:

he has memory, then it's used

[17:55:56]

tanderson (tanderson!n=gentoofa@gentoo/developer/gentoofan23) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[17:55:58]

justinh_:

iamlindoro_: but mnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnngggggggggggggggggggggg his flea-pea machine isn't hefty enough to run gdb as well!

[17:55:58]

sphery:

so, it's leaking resources

[17:56:00]

stuarta:

it bet he's using some unmentionable patches

[17:56:08]

sphery:

yeah

[17:56:22]

justinh_:

<3 FTA

[17:56:24]

iamlindoro_:

"Running valgrind to find the causes of the presumed leaks is not an

[17:56:24]

iamlindoro_:

option due to the lack of CPU in this machine."

[17:56:29]

stuarta:

like some of the ppl testing dvb-s2

[17:56:49]

stuarta:

valgrind needs memory more than anything

[17:56:54]

sphery:

and, to paraphrase justinh_ , "anyway, as for users who don't have enough resources to run Myth, screw em :)"

[17:57:14]

iamlindoro_:

"What can we do to fix most of the common leaks and make MythTV run more stable this way?"

[17:57:21]

iamlindoro_:

God, this is just full of memorable quotes

[17:57:31]

sphery:

and the subject is a real winner, too

[17:57:47]

sphery:

"mythbackend still eats memory: the current status"

[17:57:58]

sphery:

I'm waiting for the sequel to see how it turns out

[17:58:30]

iamlindoro_:

I love the "what can WE do" when *he* won't do anything but bitch

[17:58:38]

iamlindoro_:

"maybe we can work something out in 2009!"

[17:58:43]

laga:

"shut up" ;)

[17:58:53]

justinh_:

maybe somebody could just ban him from the mailing lists

[17:59:04]

huslu (huslu!n=huslu@c-98-245-66-172.hsd1.co.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:59:08]

sphery:

His threads are a lot like Lost, though... He shows something, but not enough to make anyone sure of what they see, and there are /never/ any answers

[17:59:23]

iamlindoro_:

Significantly fewer hot chicks

[17:59:29]

sphery:

true

[17:59:34]

laga:

and occasionally, weird magnetic fields make his mythbackend eat memory

[17:59:43]

sphery:

If Evangaline Lily were in the thread, I'd run valgrind

[17:59:51]

iamlindoro_:

Oh I'd valgrind her good

[18:00:11]

justinh_:

there are hot chicks in Lost? why didn't anybody say?

[18:00:29]

sphery:

you have to look beyond the dirt that covers them

[18:00:34]

iamlindoro_:

"PS2: Is there a way to run a virtual environment with virtual tuners and virtual signals for MythTV's virtual tuners? (my other box can do VirtualBox etc)"

[18:00:49]

iamlindoro_:

virtual virtual virtual virtual, virtual! Ps, virtual!

[18:00:54]

justinh (justinh!n=Justin@cpc1-salf4-0-0-cust54.manc.cable.ntl.com) has quit (Nick collision from services.)

[18:01:00]

wetwilly_ (wetwilly_!n=wetwilly@c83-249-80-198.bredband.comhem.se) has quit ()

[18:01:01]

justinh_ is now known as justinh

[18:01:11]

huslu:

pvr-350 users, is it possible to get audio (from tv cable) when watching live tv on a computer screen (not over the tv-out, on tv) ?

[18:01:32]

iamlindoro_:

I'm considering sending an inflammatory response

[18:02:01]

sphery:

sound card?

[18:02:01]

huslu:

sphery: via something, has line in.

[18:02:01]

justinh1 (justinh1!n=Justin@cpc1-salf4-0-0-cust54.manc.cable.ntl.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:02:22]

** justinh shakes his fist at BBC News for replacing Click with rolling Gaza coverage. Twice **

[18:02:45]

sphery:

huslu: the PVR-350 captures an MPEG stream that contains audio and video, so you just have to play it back /and/ configure the sound card in the app that's playing it back

[18:03:02]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: please do, I want to see a good "take that"

[18:03:49]

justinh:

the words 'good' and 'Take That' in the same sentence? lol

[18:04:33]

huslu:

sphery: ok. i've tried a lot of things but i haven't been successful. everything else plays audio fine. just live tv from cable

[18:05:44]

wetwilly_ (wetwilly_!n=wetwilly@c83-249-80-198.bredband.comhem.se) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:06:25]

huslu:

i can turn on use tv-out but then it's played out via composite video (and audio to tv), but i just want to get it on the computer screen (and speakers).

[18:06:56]

wetwilly_ (wetwilly_!n=wetwilly@c83-249-80-198.bredband.comhem.se) has quit (Client Quit)

[18:07:27]

justinh:

does other audio work in mythtv?

[18:07:48]

huslu:

justinh: yes, streams stuff all have it

[18:08:05]

justinh:

no, does stuff which uses the Internal player have it?

[18:08:27]

justinh:

i.e. not mplayer derived stuff. not mythstream

[18:08:52]

huslu:

can you give me an example what uses internal player (apart from live tv) ?

[18:09:25]

iamlindoro_:

sphery, response sent, taking the dog to the park and looking forward to the flaming waiting in my inbox when I come home

[18:09:57]

huslu:

justinh: dvd played with sound, if that's internal.

[18:10:35]

justinh:

might be, depends on what your dvd player is set to :)

[18:11:00]

KraMer (KraMer!n=mark@adsl-70-240-215-231.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:11:20]

justinh:

weird. rebooting the frontend (since the backend machine was restarted) has cleared up the laggyness

[18:11:53]

mchou (mchou!n=mchou@unaffiliated/mchou) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[18:13:18]

GreyFoxx:

if udo has other hardware capable of running virtuals and all the other stuff, AND he truly wants to help "fix" his problem, why not just swap the drives and tuners into the more powerful machine and run valgrind an such there ?

[18:17:23]

gbee:

this the guy complaining of a backend leak as though it's a problem that everyone suffers from?

[18:17:37]

jduggan:

any brits having problems getting ITV1 schedules with the rt grabber?

[18:17:49]

gbee:

wait, that sounds familiar, like the guy complaining that scanning doesn't work and that everyone has the same problem

[18:17:54]

jduggan:

(anglia region specifically :P )

[18:18:00]

gbee:

jduggan: which xmltvid?

[18:18:11]

justinh1 (justinh1!n=Justin@cpc1-salf4-0-0-cust54.manc.cable.ntl.com) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[18:18:34]

jduggan:

24 i believe

[18:18:34]

stuarta:

they were a bit slow in pushing them out to EIT for the new year

[18:18:34]

jduggan:

anglia.itv1.itv.co.uk

[18:18:34]

gbee:

possibly you've got the wrong one since they were updated a couple of months back

[18:18:46]

gbee:

nope ... that looks right

[18:19:36]

gbee:

http://xmltv.radiotimes.com/xmltv/24.dat – might be that the grabber doesn't like those newlines

[18:19:44]

** stuarta installs a few more debug packages **

[18:20:32]

gbee:

jduggan: fire off a bug report to Nick via the xmltv website

[18:20:59]

jduggan:

is there a way i can confirm its teh new lines

[18:21:14]

gbee:

I record maybe a dozen things off ITV a year, so I wouldn't really notice

[18:21:15]

jduggan:

can i import manually by using tr to cut the newlines and pointing at my .dat?

[18:21:19]

justinh:

strip em out then try tv_grab_uk_rt on the resultant file :)

[18:21:19]

gbee:

ITV1 anyway

[18:21:43]

gbee:

jduggan: are you not getting any listings at all?

[18:21:51]

jduggan:

gbee: not for itv1

[18:21:53]

justinh:

jduggan: you should perhaps try an updated grabber. it's been ages since I grabbed a nightly snapshot

[18:22:13]

jduggan:

will grab a snapshot

[18:22:16]

gbee:

hmm, I'm getting data for itv1 for at least the next 24 hours

[18:22:29]

jduggan:

im using whatever version comes with mythtbuntu 8.10

[18:22:40]

jduggan:

gbee: well.. i updated my mythsystem last night

[18:22:44]

justinh:

got ITV1 data (Granada region) til 14 days from now

[18:22:47]

jduggan:

so its possible its a problem with my config

[18:22:50]

gbee:

XMLTV module version 0.5.51

[18:23:24]

Reiver (Reiver!n=medontwa@c-67-171-44-233.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[18:23:34]

jduggan:

though my channel_ids is right, i just checked mythweb and ITV is set to use anglia.itv1.itv.co.uk

[18:23:39]

jduggan:

and i manually ran mythfilldatabase

[18:23:42]

jduggan:

not much else could be wrong?

[18:24:01]

justinh:

nope.. unless the grabber is out of date

[18:24:07]

justinh:

or the feed is broken for real

[18:24:39]

d0netsFN is now known as d0nets

[18:24:41]

gbee:

ooh, new Series of Dexter

[18:25:10]

justinh:

been catching up with 30 Rock today. Must be the best thing on Five

[18:25:43]

gbee:

I'd agree

[18:25:52]

XLV (XLV!n=XLV@unaffiliated/xlv) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:25:55]

gbee:

can't see anything wrong with my ITV1 listings

[18:26:04]

justinh:

must catch up with House at some point.. or rather start watching it

[18:26:22]

justinh:

tempted just to delete all my Spooks now. never gonna be in the mood to watch em

[18:26:30]

gbee:

and looking through them has cheered me up, I was starting to think there wouldn't be much to watch this month

[18:26:34]

stuarta:

i'm still working my way through heroes & sarah connor cronicles

[18:27:06]

justinh:

Survivors is still unwatched too. my Dad saying it wasn't as 'good' as the original doesn't inspire me to keep them though

[18:28:26]

gbee:

justinh: don't, I'm not saying they are perfect, personally I think there are some holes in the plot lines and it gets ever more unlikely with each series, but it's probably still the best drama in it's class that isn't an import

[18:28:45]

justinh:

on that basis it stays then :)

[18:30:03]

jduggan:

how do i manually import a .dat into myth, now that i've cut out the newlines?

[18:30:10]

gbee:

I've got an episode or two of Survivors to watch, but I've only stuck with it so far because anything was better than working on the watch recordings screen, wouldn't recommend it

[18:31:26]

justinh:

heh. and here's me thinking about adding stuff to that screen. maybe I should just copy & adapt 'upcoming recordings' instead

[18:31:42]

justinh:

is that screen mythui'd yet btw?

[18:33:00]

bobgill (bobgill!n=smileyfa@CPE000802b64568-CM0011e6c40b1f.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[18:33:43]

gbee:

upcoming? yeah

[18:34:41]

justinh:

cool. gonna borrow it to show a nice list of shows which are to be expired

[18:35:16]

justinh:

hopefully with an estimated time to expiry based on upcoming recordings & average bitrate usage

[18:35:35]

justinh:

will only be a very rough guide of course but better than nowt

[18:37:35]

jduggan:

uuuh, virgin give sky 3 on the base package

[18:37:41]

jduggan:

not that there's anything worth watching on it

[18:37:48]

gentoofan23_ is now known as tanderson

[18:38:08]

justinh:

not recorded anything on Sky Three since the last run of '24' ended

[18:38:26]

justinh:

ooo reminds me. I have the new 24 tv movie to watch soon

[18:38:58]

thefRont:

sphery: I can't get it fixed

[18:39:34]

porcodildo (porcodildo!n=wefw@151.64.206.123) has quit ("Sto andando via")

[18:40:52]

thefRont:

how can I get alsa to convert the sampling rate to 48khz?

[18:41:27]

dashcloud (dashcloud!n=szakulec@141.158.224.133) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:42:34]

gbee:

thefRont: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Configur . . . .2C_Properly

[18:43:02]

gbee:

justinh: only thing I've recorded is Weeds

[18:43:33]

jduggan:

wtf

[18:43:40]

thefRont:

thanx gbee

[18:43:44]

jduggan:

i get manutd TV on the virgin base package??

[18:43:52]

gbee:

no

[18:43:55]

jduggan:

isnt this a subscription channel

[18:43:59]

gbee:

it is

[18:44:02]

jduggan:

gbee: .... well i got it

[18:44:24]

gbee:

jduggan: might be a FTV period? To encourage you to buy the full subscription?

[18:44:32]

jduggan:

maybe

[18:45:28]

gbee:

unless Virgin went and spent serious money buying rights to show it FTV ... which I doubt because it doesn't really offer value for money to them and I wouldn't expect it in the base package

[18:45:57]

jduggan:

could be an account cock up on their part

[18:46:19]

gbee:

annoyingly Virgin's STB used to allow you to hide channels which you didn't have a subscription for, they stopped offering that after the redesign >:(

[18:46:27]

jduggan:

yea

[18:46:28]

jduggan:

but

[18:46:35]

jduggan:

the channels you dont have access to

[18:46:38]

jduggan:

are grey'd out

[18:46:48]

jduggan:

so you isntantly know what you have access to in the guide

[18:47:12]

gbee:

yup, but you still have to wade through them to find the ones you can actually view, even more annoying in 'browse mode'

[18:47:27]

jduggan:

yea when you browse theyre not grey'd out

[18:47:33]

gbee:

I prefered it when those channels could be moved/hidden

[18:47:33]

jduggan:

so you dont know

[18:47:38]

jduggan:

true true

[18:48:51]

gbee:

it would be nice to not hit Page Down 15 times to reach the channel you want when 13 of those pages are just full of crap you can't even watch

[18:49:59]

jduggan:

yea

[18:49:59]

gbee:

actually I confess that I've not looked very hard for the option to hide/move unsubscribed channels, it might still be there somewhere

[18:49:59]

jduggan:

i rarely use their ui now

[18:50:02]

jduggan:

i was just looking at what channels i now have access to

[18:50:08]

jduggan:

which is how i found mutv

[18:50:14]

jduggan:

(im actually watching match day live

[18:50:17]

jduggan:

)

[18:50:19]

jduggan:

post match analysis

[18:50:22]

gbee:

but following the redesign it reset my custom channel ordering and started displaying the unwanted channels again

[18:50:35]

jduggan:

id be surprised if it were a ftv period

[18:50:49]

jduggan:

gbee: you still pay for virgin?

[18:51:09]

gbee:

jduggan: in the sense that it comes 'free' with the phone/broadband

[18:51:22]

jduggan:

yea same here

[18:51:44]

jduggan:

i pay 27/month for XL phone, L internet, M TV

[18:51:53]

jduggan:

it worked out it would cost me more to drop the TV

[18:52:01]

gbee:

but I only use it for On-Demand films maybe once a week or so

[18:52:01]

jduggan:

because i wouldnt get the bundle cost

[18:52:20]

jduggan:

do you record into myth?

[18:52:37]

thefRont:

I'm still getting buffer underruns when playing audio cds

[18:53:03]

gbee:

not any more, replaced the PVR-150 with DVB-S for HD, worth more to me than anything I might record from the STB

[18:56:54]

MartinCleaver (MartinCleaver!n=martincl@206-248-157-222.dsl.teksavvy.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:57:35]

thefRont:

hmm...looks more like my asound config is not being recognized

[18:57:56]

MartinCleaver_ (MartinCleaver_!n=martincl@206-248-157-222.dsl.teksavvy.com) has quit (No route to host)

[19:02:21]

MartinCleaver (MartinCleaver!n=martincl@206-248-157-222.dsl.teksavvy.com) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[19:02:43]

MartinCleaver (MartinCleaver!n=martincl@206-248-157-222.dsl.teksavvy.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:03:38]

justinh:

gbee: believe me I've looked for a way to move/hide unsubscribed channels. they did away with it

[19:03:54]

gbee:

bastards

[19:04:19]

** gbee quickly drops a penny in the swear jar before jams kicks him **

[19:04:20]

justinh:

you seen how cushty the iPlayer is on there though? It's much better than their own offerring

[19:04:31]

iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx, Man, I can't wait to see how Udo flips out

[19:05:00]

iamlindoro_:

I don't think he'll get the subtlety of "Or is that too much trouble?" though :)

[19:05:24]

gbee:

justinh: not really, I have mythtv record everything I want to watch, so I've looked around the On Demand stuff and use it to watch a film now and then, but I'm not intimately familiar with the iplayer section

[19:05:46]

[CSI]Octane ([CSI]Octane!n=Octane@c-98-218-237-80.hsd1.dc.comcast.net) has quit ()

[19:06:36]

justinh:

I tried it ages ago for giggles & it's really very nice. nice enough to use on a regular basis

[19:06:44]

Hoxzer (Hoxzer!n=dsadsad@dsl-hkigw7-fe1df900-39.dhcp.inet.fi) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[19:07:03]

gbee:

for me the On Demand offerings from Virgin just piss all over Sky – can't see why anyone would pick Sky instead of Virgin given availability

[19:07:07]

justinh:

as for their own on-demand stuff – things from the commercial channels come without adverts!

[19:07:35]

justinh:

I always knew cable was better than anything else. if for no other reason than it's bidirectional

[19:07:55]

jduggan:

even the epg menus piss on sky

[19:08:05]

justinh:

are Sky's that bad? :-O

[19:08:08]

stuarta:

so long as all the sport channels are there

[19:08:25]

stuarta:

only reason i'd bother to get $ky

[19:08:32]

jduggan:

you cant 'info' on a program youre looking at in browse mode, in sky if you hit 'i' you get the current showings info

[19:09:00]

MartinCleaver (MartinCleaver!n=martincl@206-248-157-222.dsl.teksavvy.com) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[19:09:16]

justinh:

we still have to reboot the stb sometimes though, when it gets drunk & doesn't update its time

[19:09:24]

Hoxzer (Hoxzer!n=dsadsad@dsl-hkigw7-fe1df900-39.dhcp.inet.fi) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:09:29]

jduggan:

my stb will crash from time to time

[19:09:36]

gbee:

justinh: I didn't really think so, their menus are clean and simple, more so than Virgins, but then as jduggan points out, Virgin's menus etc give you access to more things

[19:09:40]

MartinCleaver (MartinCleaver!n=martincl@206-248-157-222.dsl.teksavvy.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:10:16]

jduggan:

i left it on for like 6 days, the tv was off but the stb was on bbc1, when i came back and turned the tv on i had a highpitched stuttering squeak and the video had froze

[19:10:22]

nuonguy (nuonguy!n=john@c-24-6-174-132.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:10:25]

justinh:

that mate of mine is now on his 5th Sky+ box

[19:10:29]

justinh:

in 2 years

[19:10:35]

gbee:

Sky's menus have barely changed since they launched digital – don't quote me on that though since I might be remembering wrong

[19:10:47]

jduggan:

i did read somewhere sky were re-designing their menus

[19:11:00]

jduggan:

gbee: it hasnt noticeably changed, i think the colors got lighter

[19:11:13]

justinh:

I saw some 'Sky HD' updated EPG screenshots a while ago, they weren't very good at all. certainly didn't make good use of screen space

[19:11:23]

jduggan:

my brother just bought skyHD

[19:11:27]

justinh:

unless their focus groups are comprised of myopic 60 year olds

[19:11:49]

thefRont:

ok, now I get the following error when trying to play an audio cd in mythmusic

[19:11:50]

thefRont:

2009-01–04 20:10:27.560 Opening audio device 'dmix-analog'. ch 2(2) sr 44100

[19:11:50]

thefRont:

2009-01–04 20:10:27.561 Opening ALSA audio device 'dmix-analog'.

[19:11:50]

thefRont:

2009-01–04 20:10:27.592 AudioOutput Error: Rate doesn't match (requested 44100Hz, got 48000Hz)

[19:11:50]

thefRont:

2009-01–04 20:10:27.592 AudioOutput Error: Unable to set ALSA parameters

[19:11:54]

iamlindoro_:

oof

[19:12:23]

justinh:

1st time I met a Sky+ box I was at a complete loss as to how to access recorded shows. turned out they're in the 'guide' WTF?

[19:12:23]

gbee:

I refuse to pay an extra fee per month just so I can use my HD tv ...

[19:12:23]

thefRont:

rate parameter in asoundrc for device dmix-analog is set to 48000

[19:12:24]

Octane (Octane!n=Octane@c-98-218-237-80.hsd1.dc.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:12:28]

jduggan:

you dont with sky

[19:12:39]

jduggan:

gbee: the HD comes with sky+, you just have to pay for the STB, IIRC

[19:12:40]

thefRont:

shouldn't this normally convert everything to 48kHz=

[19:12:44]

gbee:

thefRont: if you are using analog then your problem probably isn't to do with the sample rate

[19:12:59]

justinh:

jduggan: it's an extra tenner on top of everything else.. and only if you subscribe to a minimum of one premium package AFAIK

[19:13:03]

gbee:

normally that's only an issue with Digital audio (spdif/hdmi etc)

[19:13:20]

thefRont:

gbee: any other idea why audio cds are skipping then?

[19:13:29]

jduggan:

justinh: yea, but you pay the same price for sky+, so you are paying for sky+ rather than the HD

[19:13:32]

justinh:

they've even been talking about '3d' now.. with those special specs. lol

[19:13:44]

justinh:

jduggan: nah basic Sly+ is free now

[19:13:50]

jduggan:

oh really

[19:13:53]

justinh:

they dropped the subs for that ages ago

[19:13:53]

iamlindoro_:

justinh, We apparently have a 3D episode of Chuck coming in February

[19:14:22]

jduggan:

ok, last i looked @ it.. sky+ was a tenner per month... so was skyHD (which gets sky+).. you just had to pay 75quid for the box

[19:14:22]

justinh:

they should really call it 'stereoscopic' not '3d'

[19:14:32]

iamlindoro_:

justinh, Wonder how they intend to get the entire fanbase to go out and pick up glasses (and how many "Hey! Chuck is broken!" calls they will get)

[19:15:16]

iamlindoro_:

justinh, if you told Americans something was stereoscopic, they'd be angry because they normally get 5.1 audio

[19:15:16]

justinh:

never even heard of it

[19:15:42]

justinh:

like it's the new 'thing' for cinemas too apparently :-\

[19:15:45]

gbee:

thefRont: DMA enabled for the CD drive? I dunno, could it be that you've restricted the drive speed?

[19:15:47]

iamlindoro_:

"Stereoscopic? Whut? But I likes my suh-round sound!"

[19:15:57]

justinh:

yeah make everybody wear dorky specs. oof

[19:16:03]

thefRont:

re

[19:16:10]

sphery:

thefRont: with that asoundrc, you need to read the comments... I.e. the one that says, "This configuration file defines four devices for use by the user. Those

[19:16:12]

jamesd:

iamlindoro, only 5.1... some have 7.1 and of course 7.125 can't be far behind ;-)

[19:16:12]

thefRont:

gbee: any other idea why audio cds are skipping then? (sorry, I had a disconnect

[19:16:16]

sphery:

devices are "analog", "mixed-analog", "digital", and "mixed-digital"."

[19:16:39]

sphery:

thefRont: and, "All other devices created within this file are used only by the configuration file itself and should /not/ be used directly."

[19:16:56]

jduggan:

wow, news24 changed its name to bbc news.. how on earth did i not notice that

[19:17:08]

MartinCleaver (MartinCleaver!n=martincl@206-248-157-222.dsl.teksavvy.com) has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer))

[19:17:10]

justinh:

reminds me. will somebody please wake me up when something better than alsa comes along? that works, I mean

[19:17:12]

gbee:

jduggan: you can't have HD with out Sky+ though, so it doesn't really matter which you are technically paying extra for, it's still Â£10 a month (and rubbish quality)

[19:17:16]

thefRont:

so why is dmix-analog set as default device in pcm.!default then?

[19:17:35]

justinh:

thefRont: ask yourself that question because that isn't what myth defaults to

[19:17:37]

thefRont:

and not analog or mixed-analog

[19:18:04]

thefRont:

justinh: to what device does mythtv defaults to if I use ALSA:default?

[19:18:43]

iamlindoro_:

justinh, http://www.fecitfacta.com/theme-MythMusic.png Thinking about something nice and simple like this for Music

[19:18:51]

tanderson (tanderson!n=gentoofa@gentoo/developer/gentoofan23) has quit ("leaving")

[19:19:15]

iamlindoro_:

Control panel will go in the bottom once I figure out how I want to do it

[19:19:15]

gbee:

what I want from Virgin is a HD STB without the PVR, at a low fixed (or zero) cost and no additional fees/subscription

[19:19:26]

jhulst (jhulst!n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:19:32]

justinh:

gbee: more than one HD channel would be a good start :P

[19:19:32]

gbee:

and I dare say that a lot of people would love to see that option

[19:20:00]

gbee:

justinh: doesn't matter, you've got a huge amount of HD ondemand content

[19:20:24]

justinh:

is there? hrm

[19:20:26]

gbee:

which ironically you can't access unless you have their PVR ...

[19:20:37]

sphery:

thefRont: re, "why is dmix-analog set as default device in pcm.!default then": "All other devices created within this file are used only by the configuration file itself and should /not/ be used directly." (I.e. setting the default device is within the config file.)

[19:20:38]

justinh:

one platform. keeps things simple for em

[19:20:42]

gbee:

ondemand content requires a PVR .. why?

[19:20:51]

justinh:

coz the only HD box they do is the PVR

[19:20:54]

MartinCleaver (MartinCleaver!n=martincl@206-248-157-222.dsl.teksavvy.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:20:57]

gbee:

justinh: yeah, I don't entirely buy that argument

[19:20:59]

jduggan:

atleast their prices are 50% of sky's

[19:21:03]

sphery:

thefRont: and, ALSA:default uses whatever device is specified by the pcm.!default stanza

[19:21:06]

jduggan:

its like a fiver a month for the pvr

[19:21:19]

jduggan:

with HD

[19:21:25]

gbee:

really? was 10 the last time I looked

[19:21:34]

justinh:

it's bad enough that they have to maintain several different SD STBs

[19:21:44]

jamesd (jamesd!n=jamesd@adsl-68-248-233-214.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net) has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))

[19:21:48]

jduggan:

http://allyours.virginmedia.com/html/existing . . . /v_plus.html

[19:22:00]

gbee:

over the years they've switched hardware suppliers more than once – so having two different HD STBs isn't going to be the straw that breaks the camels back

[19:22:12]

gbee:

and they could then ditch the SD STB

[19:23:03]

justinh:

they're working on a multiroom STB.. a proper one that can access recorded content from any box in the house

[19:23:10]

thefRont:

sphery: then I don't understand why I shouldn't use dmix-analog in mythtv configuration if it's set as default device in pcm.!default

[19:23:16]

jduggan:

oh shit that would be sweet

[19:23:27]

justinh:

or at least they were. maybe on the back burner since ondemand made good inroads

[19:23:28]

gbee:

still, on principal I won't pay that Â£5 ... (until I do)

[19:23:33]

jduggan:

gbee: heh

[19:23:39]

justinh:

they say about half their customers use on-demand regularly

[19:23:43]

sphery:

thefRont: pcm.!default sets the default device, i.e. "ALSA:default". If you set the default device, then ALSA:default uses the device

[19:23:47]

jduggan:

i use ondemand

[19:23:52]

MartinCleaver (MartinCleaver!n=martincl@206-248-157-222.dsl.teksavvy.com) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[19:23:56]

jduggan:

maybe once or twice a week

[19:24:06]

jduggan:

some good content up there

[19:24:18]

justinh:

they need to sort out the content listing though. I was trying to find stuff myth missed (or maybe I deleted accidentally) on iPlayer which turned up on their own section

[19:24:38]

jamesd (jamesd!n=jamesd@adsl-68-248-233-214.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:24:39]

MartinCleaver (MartinCleaver!n=martincl@206-248-157-222.dsl.teksavvy.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:24:39]

jduggan:

yea i agree with that

[19:24:49]

jduggan:

i found their od hard to browse

[19:24:59]

justinh:

and whoever wrote their ondemand stuff & the iPlayer.. I wish to God they'd get them to write the rest of the box software

[19:25:02]

sphery:

thefRont: dmix-analog is an internally defined /logical/ device that's lower-level and analog and mixed analog, and not high-enough level to actually use outside the config file, but just the right level for what must be specified in the pcm.!default stanza. And, I don't really feel like teaching you how to write an ALSA config file, so either take my word for it, or feel free to about ALSA config files with google.

[19:25:29]

sphery:

s/lower-level and/lower-level than/

[19:25:29]

justinh:

iamlindoro_: not a fan. looks good though

[19:25:33]

thefRont:

kk

[19:25:35]

gbee:

missed ITV not having content in ondemand, for once I actually missed recording something on ITV1 that I wanted to watch and I couldn't even use the webshite since it uses Silverlight instead of Flash ... muppets

[19:25:46]

jduggan:

haha

[19:25:50]

iamlindoro_:

justinh, Hrm, those two statements seem in opposition to one another

[19:26:02]

sphery:

thefRont: so, either put ALSA:default in MythTV's config or put ALSA:analog or ALSA:mixed-analog

[19:26:08]

justinh:

iamlindoro_: looks good. not something I'd see myself using

[19:26:13]

iamlindoro_:

ah

[19:26:28]

jhulst (jhulst!n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))

[19:26:34]

thefRont:

then we are back at my previous problem with the skips when playing audio cds on an analog output

[19:27:05]

sphery:

with ALSA:default /and/ using the config file, you get skips?

[19:27:14]

thefRont:

yes

[19:27:29]

gbee:

iamlindoro_: I see you are getting comfortable with Inkscape :)

[19:27:34]

** justinh gives up on 'concept' again. just can't be arsed **

[19:27:57]

iamlindoro_:

gbee, Heh, I guess so-- 90% of the stuff I haven't used, but the 10% I have seems to get the job done

[19:28:26]

** gbee yanks away justinh's Themer badge and gives it to iamlindro **

[19:28:40]

justinh:

same with any program iamlindoro_. ever used GIMP for anything more than rescaling & curve correction?

[19:28:45]

iamlindoro_:

I can't accept any badge until I actually finish one :)

[19:29:08]

iamlindoro_:

justinh, Yes, but only because I didn't know I *should* have been doing some of those things in inkscape

[19:29:14]

justinh:

I'm sorry but I just can't bring myself to _care_ anymore :(

[19:30:11]

iamlindoro_:

No need to care about anyone but yourself, but if it's not fun for you then you really shouldn't

[19:30:13]

justinh:

pity cos I really love the mythvideo screens I did. the menus still suck, the icons look like arse & there are screens I just can't face doing

[19:30:21]

gbee:

I wish justinh did have more enthusiasm, but I know well enough that once you lose interest in something it's not easily regained

[19:30:54]

justinh:

I think I need to flex my coding muscle again for a while

[19:31:13]

justinh:

bring a couple of new things to myth that I've wanted for yonks

[19:31:14]

inordkuo (inordkuo!n=inorkuo@adsl-226-137-93.int.bellsouth.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:31:22]

iamlindoro_:

gbee, Have you taken a look at anykey_'s autoscale patch yet at all?

[19:31:54]

gbee:

I didn't quite expect iamlindoro to be the first one who step up to the challenge since he's never shown interest in theming before, but I'm glad that someone is brave enough to go first

[19:31:59]

gbee:

iamlindoro_: yes

[19:32:05]

justinh:

plus it's hard to be motivated to do a theme I can't fully develop on my laptop because I don't really have a backend on there

[19:32:18]

gregL:

justinh: I always enjoyed your work...Thanks for your effort...

[19:32:27]

iamlindoro_:

Wondered if anything like that is in the pipeline, I have a couple of spots where it might help (although used it the wrong spots it could be gruesome)

[19:32:38]

iamlindoro_:

I think I want to start over with recordings-ui.xml

[19:32:53]

iamlindoro_:

not layouts, but graphics. It just doesn't match the rest and can't figure out how to make it do so

[19:32:56]

justinh:

I still want to do a new one to kick the ass of all the others I've ever done & finally teleport them to sucksland

[19:33:27]

gbee:

it will be done, I just _really_ need to finish what I've started so new features are on the back burner for a short while

[19:33:28]

justinh:

maybe it'll just have to be later rather than sooner so I'll be able to use it every day :)

[19:33:51]

gbee:

unless they help towards what I'm doing right now

[19:33:54]

iamlindoro_:

gbee, I'm jumping from thing to thing anyway so you'll not get any pressure from me, there's nothing I can't circle back to

[19:34:10]

jduggan:

i just realised virgin doesnt broadcast the itv +1 channels, which doesnt make sense to me because the channels they support OD seem to have them (eg channel4)

[19:34:37]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: btw, nice post

[19:35:08]

iamlindoro_:

sphery, Thanks :) I don't like to speak for a group I'm not a part of, but hopefully that's an accurate representation of the thoughts on his "problem"

[19:35:14]

gbee:

jduggan: it's upto ITV if they want to pay for carriage, Virgin is short on space at the moment, at least until the analog switch off in a couple of months

[19:35:25]

justinh:

iamlindoro_: what I ended up doing was use a common template for screens & pretty much stick to it

[19:35:40]

gbee:

so any available slots are going to have a premium price tag I'd imagine

[19:35:58]

jduggan:

gbee: ITV pay virgin to broadcast their shows? Seems it would make more sense that virgin would have to pay ITV?

[19:36:02]

justinh:

well I did eventually, once I got a clue about commonality & saving memory

[19:36:02]

iamlindoro_:

justinh, a wise idea. I think this theme is going to get to "good enough" and if I do a second I will have learned a lot that I can apply

[19:36:19]

jduggan:

gbee: but the bandwidth space makes sense

[19:36:30]

iamlindoro_:

I would be naive to expect my first try to be a masterpiece :)

[19:36:53]

justinh:

iamlindoro_: as 1st efforts go it er.. wees all over ProjectGrayhair

[19:37:14]

justinh:

not seen your take on button watermarks yet though..

[19:37:15]

justinh:

:P

[19:37:17]

iamlindoro_:

justinh, It doesn't hurt that I have a fair number of good themes to look at as an example

[19:37:23]

iamlindoro_:

NO WATERMARKS

[19:37:24]

iamlindoro_:

BAD

[19:37:39]

iamlindoro_:

[19:37:39]

justinh:

yeah I don't see a point in them anymore either

[19:37:44]

gbee:

jduggan: all broadcasters pay carriage for the networks they are transmitted over, Virgin might make special deals with some broadcasters which they feel enhance their brand but I can't see them valuing the +1 channels of a dinosaur like ITV having much value to them

[19:38:09]

gbee:

err, well you know what I meant to say there

[19:38:13]

jduggan:

yea

[19:38:28]

jduggan:

i need to get more tuners really, instead of relying on +1 for timeshifting

[19:38:32]

jduggan:

:O

[19:39:04]

iamlindoro_:

ohhh, so these +1 networks run the same programming timeshifted?

[19:39:16]

justinh:

iamlindoro_: jups

[19:39:27]

gbee:

yeah, literally the same content but one hour behind

[19:39:28]

justinh:

there are even +2 channels in places

[19:39:30]

iamlindoro_:

interesting. So I guess those will disappear as PVRs become more prevalent

[19:39:39]

gbee:

iamlindoro_: probably

[19:39:48]

justinh:

iamlindoro_: in more ways than one given the fall in advertising revenues :P

[19:40:16]

gbee:

ITV has to be in real trouble, they've not had any real hits for years

[19:40:36]

justinh:

has that new saturday teatime thing started yet? about zombies or something?

[19:40:46]

justinh:

prolly be worse than Primordeal though

[19:40:55]

jduggan:

gbee: but they have 2 soaps which pull in millions

[19:40:57]

jduggan:

:P

[19:41:03]

justinh:

which incidentally is coming back :-\

[19:41:08]

jduggan:

plus things like xfactor

[19:41:16]

jduggan:

im a celebrity

[19:41:20]

iamlindoro_:

My parents and the kids want that PRimeval (evil?) show

[19:41:21]

jduggan:

i dont think theyre in trouble

[19:41:21]

justinh:

don't forget the Ant or Dec thing

[19:41:25]

iamlindoro_:

er watch that

[19:41:27]

jduggan:

yep

[19:41:34]

justinh:

jduggan: oh but they ARE in trouble

[19:41:46]

justinh:

they're reducing local output big style

[19:41:56]

justinh:

news & kids original programming are going

[19:42:08]

gbee:

says it all that they decided for the first time to carry two major US shows last year, Dexter and Pushing Daisies, ITV until that point had almost no foreign content and the bits they did were in late night slots

[19:42:35]

iamlindoro_:

Pushing Daisies I would hope would do well over there

[19:42:45]

jduggan:

i dont think it did

[19:42:45]

iamlindoro_:

you guys have more stomach for decent programming than we do, apparently

[19:42:56]

iamlindoro_:

Ugh, then you are all stupid

[19:43:04]

iamlindoro_:

Such. A. good. Show.

[19:43:09]

** iamlindoro_ weeps **

[19:43:24]

gbee:

ITV are the touch of death

[19:44:04]

gbee:

I liked Pushing Daises, though I did feel that it might not have anywhere to go

[19:44:10]

MartinCleaver_ (MartinCleaver_!n=martincl@206-248-157-222.dsl.teksavvy.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:44:20]

iamlindoro_:

Don't know where in the series you are, second season has had one consistent story arc

[19:44:36]

iamlindoro_:

episodic content, but advancing one plot

[19:44:57]

gbee:

but on any other channel I think it would have done much better, people have grown used to ignoring ITV1 when looking through the TV guide

[19:44:58]

MartinCleaver (MartinCleaver!n=martincl@206-248-157-222.dsl.teksavvy.com) has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host))

[19:46:50]

gbee:

it's on ITV1, so it can't be worth watching

[19:47:25]

iamlindoro_:

gbee, Was thinking about poking at both a disk space and a tuner status widget, have anything like that lined up, and if not, any objection to it?

[19:47:33]

justinh:

truth of the matter is, I don't think ITV can afford imports

[19:47:51]

justinh:

iamlindoro_: disk space pie chart! :)

[19:47:55]

thefRont:

it really looks like I'm the only person having these problems right now

[19:48:23]

iamlindoro_:

thefRont, If you mean the only person in this channel having those problems right now, then that is likely true

[19:48:31]

iamlindoro_:

but most basic playback issues are well-worn ground

[19:48:36]

justinh:

last time somebody suggested that, I think it was even before storage groups came along.. just think.. total space vs each group's usage

[19:48:52]

thefRont:

iamlindoro_: well, I haven't found anything on google so far

[19:49:01]

justinh:

iamlindoro_: I wouldn't object to anybody else tackling my autoexpiry list idea either

[19:49:04]

gbee:

no they can't afford it, but I think it's desperation, they can't go on like they have been doing they need to throw their remaining capital in a new direction however much of a gamble that might be

[19:49:05]

justinh:

;)

[19:49:24]

justinh:

plus whatever they paid for F1 etc.. it's crippled them

[19:49:44]

iamlindoro_:

justinh, I don't keep enough in the PBB to make that any use to me ;)

[19:49:48]

justinh:

personally I'd be happy if no sport was on terrestrial platforms at all

[19:50:26]

gbee:

iamlindoro: instinctively I want to resist the idea of widgets for that stuff, at least widgets in the sense of textarea/imagetype/clock

[19:50:26]

Lord_Deathscythe (Lord_Deathscythe!n=chris@c-76-18-178-167.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) has quit ("Leaving")

[19:51:06]

gbee:

we were trying to reduce the number of widgets with mythui, not having a new widget for every little thing

[19:51:12]

iamlindoro_:

gbee, Yes, had planned to model it after the clock... hmm.. Idea had been to put something in menu-ui.xml for quick access to the info

[19:52:13]

gbee:

I'd back the idea of adding those as popup windows though, think along the lines of the alert scroller I've mentioned a fair bit

[19:52:55]

iamlindoro_:

Well if a scroller widget comes and a hook for those things could be added I'd be perfectly satisfied with that

[19:52:58]

iamlindoro_:

happier, even

[19:53:44]

iamlindoro (iamlindoro!n=mcnamara@c-24-23-242-27.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:44]

RyeBrye (RyeBrye!n=ryebrye@254.245.sfcn.org) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:44]

Dave123 (Dave123!i=nobody@cpe-72-230-182-200.rochester.res.rr.com) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:44]

kurre2 (kurre2!n=tomimo@xdsl-83-150-88-111.nebulazone.fi) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:44]

Winkie (Winkie!n=urmom@ur.fa.gs) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:44]

Cougar (Cougar!n=cougar@lost.data.ee) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:44]

[PUPPETS]Gonzo ([PUPPETS]Gonzo!i=gonzo@80.69.47.16) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:44]

MilkBoy (MilkBoy!n=milkboy@v6.yone.fi) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:44]

poodyp_ (poodyp_!n=poodyp@cpe-76-87-115-2.socal.res.rr.com) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:44]

Dave123-road (Dave123-road!i=nobody@cpe-72-230-182-200.rochester.res.rr.com) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:44]

gregL (gregL!n=greg@cpe-67-246-41-80.nycap.res.rr.com) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:44]

tomimo (tomimo!n=kurre@xdsl-83-150-88-111.nebulazone.fi) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:44]

wylie (wylie!n=wylie@ip70-190-125-87.ph.ph.cox.net) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:44]

stuarta (stuarta!n=stuarta@unaffiliated/stuarta) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:44]

sege (sege!n=sege@sege.nu) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:44]

nsx (nsx!n=jm@cutyou.net) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:44]

CaptObviousman (CaptObviousman!n=The_Capt@unaffiliated/captobviousman) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:44]

toorima (toorima!n=bq@ip68-7-79-241.sd.sd.cox.net) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:44]

ruskie (ruskie!i=ruskie@sourcemage/mage/ruskie) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:44]

mishehu (mishehu!i=mishehu@cshells.shavedgoats.net) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:44]

nuonguy (nuonguy!n=john@c-24-6-174-132.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:44]

EvilGuru (EvilGuru!n=freddie@dyn1221-225.wlan.ic.ac.uk) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:44]

Floppe (Floppe!i=muppet@crew.cluster-lan.org) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:44]

charlieS (charlieS!i=charlie@serenity.cat.pdx.edu) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:44]

laga (laga!n=laga@mythwiki.de) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:44]

troldrik (troldrik!n=cbaoth@0x57391dca.abnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:44]

Huijari (Huijari!i=huijar@jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:44]

sphery (sphery!n=mdean@user-0c6sj46.cable.mindspring.com) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:45]

sulx (sulx!n=sulx@85-23-15-158-Karjasilta-TR1.suomi.net) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:45]

Lunar_Lamp (Lunar_Lamp!n=Lunar_La@unaffiliated/lunarlamp/x-038437) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:45]

Lollero (Lollero!i=lollero@rrsite.com) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:45]

LiNERROR (LiNERROR!n=linerror@azureus/LiNERROR) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:45]

CoreDump (CoreDump!n=mhentges@nslu2-linux/CoreDumpHome) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:45]

Saviq (Saviq!n=Saviq@static-78-8-144-80.ssp.dialog.net.pl) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:45]

dgar1 (dgar1!n=dgarrett@adsl-76-246-19-246.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:45]

pheld (pheld!n=heldal@81-31-236-106.net.nc-systems.no) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:45]

AngryElf (AngryElf!n=jsharpe@ip68-100-84-211.dc.dc.cox.net) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:45]

RDV_Linux (RDV_Linux!n=doug@CPE001195554bb4-CM00111a59bd9e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:45]

javatexan (javatexan!n=aars@rrcs-24-153-239-89.sw.biz.rr.com) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:45]

Therock_ (Therock_!i=therock@connected.through.eushells.com) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:45]

DGnome (DGnome!i=mindre@mupp.fi) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:45]

Josh_Borke (Josh_Borke!n=jk275@WoWUIDev/WoWInterface/LegoBlock/joshborke) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:45]

A- (A-!i=a@siren.zzq.org) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:45]

opello (opello!n=opello@about/csharp/regular/opello) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:45]

larstr (larstr!i=larstr@colargol.tihlde.org) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:45]

SlicerDicer (SlicerDicer!n=SlicerDi@24-119-155-26.cpe.cableone.net) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:45]

dmz (dmz!n=dmz@64.203.203.232.dyn-cm-pool-64.hargray.net) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:45]

LabMonkey (LabMonkey!n=bogart@adsl-70-254-56-249.dsl.lgvwtx.sbcglobal.net) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:45]

Octane (Octane!n=Octane@c-98-218-237-80.hsd1.dc.comcast.net) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:45]

Wayhigh (Wayhigh!i=wayhigh@www.kevinlynn.com) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:45]

growler (growler!i=growler@dog.thdo.woaf.net) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:45]

mashzmash (mashzmash!n=mash@pool-96-241-233-67.washdc.fios.verizon.net) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:45]

huslu (huslu!n=huslu@c-98-245-66-172.hsd1.co.comcast.net) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:45]

adante (adante!n=adante@203.217.13.211) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:45]

purserj (purserj!n=purserj@hosting.k-sit.com) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:45]

pigeon (pigeon!n=pigeon@60-241-137-179.static.tpgi.com.au) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:45]

AndyCap (AndyCap!n=aoy@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/AndyCap) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:45]

_abbenormal (_abbenormal!n=_abbenor@216.109.197.30) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:45]

Honk (Honk!i=honk@forschungslabor.dyndns.org) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:45]

otwin (otwin!n=otwin@217.31.79.224) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:45]

janneg (janneg!n=janne@tichy.grunau.be) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:45]

tarbo (tarbo!n=me@unaffiliated/tarbo) has quit (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[19:53:57]

gbee:

I could be persuaded otherwise, but we'll see :)

[19:54:07]

** iamlindoro_ points and laughs at freenode **

[19:54:22]

Octane (Octane!n=Octane@c-98-218-237-80.hsd1.dc.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

nuonguy (nuonguy!n=john@c-24-6-174-132.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

huslu (huslu!n=huslu@c-98-245-66-172.hsd1.co.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

dgar1 (dgar1!n=dgarrett@adsl-76-246-19-246.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

EvilGuru (EvilGuru!n=freddie@dyn1221-225.wlan.ic.ac.uk) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

Saviq (Saviq!n=Saviq@static-78-8-144-80.ssp.dialog.net.pl) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

troldrik (troldrik!n=cbaoth@0x57391dca.abnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

stuarta (stuarta!n=stuarta@unaffiliated/stuarta) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

poodyp_ (poodyp_!n=poodyp@cpe-76-87-115-2.socal.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

Dave123-road (Dave123-road!i=nobody@cpe-72-230-182-200.rochester.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

pheld (pheld!n=heldal@81-31-236-106.net.nc-systems.no) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

AngryElf (AngryElf!n=jsharpe@ip68-100-84-211.dc.dc.cox.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

gregL (gregL!n=greg@cpe-67-246-41-80.nycap.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

RDV_Linux (RDV_Linux!n=doug@CPE001195554bb4-CM00111a59bd9e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

javatexan (javatexan!n=aars@rrcs-24-153-239-89.sw.biz.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

iamlindoro (iamlindoro!n=mcnamara@c-24-23-242-27.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

tomimo (tomimo!n=kurre@xdsl-83-150-88-111.nebulazone.fi) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

RyeBrye (RyeBrye!n=ryebrye@254.245.sfcn.org) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

Floppe (Floppe!i=muppet@crew.cluster-lan.org) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

Dave123 (Dave123!i=nobody@cpe-72-230-182-200.rochester.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

kurre2 (kurre2!n=tomimo@xdsl-83-150-88-111.nebulazone.fi) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

wylie (wylie!n=wylie@ip70-190-125-87.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

charlieS (charlieS!i=charlie@serenity.cat.pdx.edu) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

laga (laga!n=laga@mythwiki.de) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

Therock_ (Therock_!i=therock@connected.through.eushells.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

Wayhigh (Wayhigh!i=wayhigh@www.kevinlynn.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

opello (opello!n=opello@about/csharp/regular/opello) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

sege (sege!n=sege@sege.nu) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

Cougar (Cougar!n=cougar@lost.data.ee) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

Winkie (Winkie!n=urmom@ur.fa.gs) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

adante (adante!n=adante@203.217.13.211) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

MilkBoy (MilkBoy!n=milkboy@v6.yone.fi) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

otwin (otwin!n=otwin@217.31.79.224) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

tarbo (tarbo!n=me@unaffiliated/tarbo) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

mishehu (mishehu!i=mishehu@cshells.shavedgoats.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

dmz (dmz!n=dmz@64.203.203.232.dyn-cm-pool-64.hargray.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

_abbenormal (_abbenormal!n=_abbenor@216.109.197.30) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

mashzmash (mashzmash!n=mash@pool-96-241-233-67.washdc.fios.verizon.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

Josh_Borke (Josh_Borke!n=jk275@WoWUIDev/WoWInterface/LegoBlock/joshborke) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

sulx (sulx!n=sulx@85-23-15-158-Karjasilta-TR1.suomi.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

CaptObviousman (CaptObviousman!n=The_Capt@unaffiliated/captobviousman) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

nsx (nsx!n=jm@cutyou.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

toorima (toorima!n=bq@ip68-7-79-241.sd.sd.cox.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

pigeon (pigeon!n=pigeon@60-241-137-179.static.tpgi.com.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

SlicerDicer (SlicerDicer!n=SlicerDi@24-119-155-26.cpe.cableone.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

janneg (janneg!n=janne@tichy.grunau.be) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

sphery (sphery!n=mdean@user-0c6sj46.cable.mindspring.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

LiNERROR (LiNERROR!n=linerror@azureus/LiNERROR) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

Mode for #mythtv-users by irc.freenode.net : +v stuarta

[19:54:22]

A- (A-!i=a@siren.zzq.org) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

Lollero (Lollero!i=lollero@rrsite.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

Lunar_Lamp (Lunar_Lamp!n=Lunar_La@unaffiliated/lunarlamp/x-038437) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

DGnome (DGnome!i=mindre@mupp.fi) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

purserj (purserj!n=purserj@hosting.k-sit.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

CoreDump (CoreDump!n=mhentges@nslu2-linux/CoreDumpHome) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

[PUPPETS]Gonzo ([PUPPETS]Gonzo!i=gonzo@80.69.47.16) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

larstr (larstr!i=larstr@colargol.tihlde.org) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

ruskie (ruskie!i=ruskie@sourcemage/mage/ruskie) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

LabMonkey (LabMonkey!n=bogart@adsl-70-254-56-249.dsl.lgvwtx.sbcglobal.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

Huijari (Huijari!i=huijar@jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

AndyCap (AndyCap!n=aoy@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/AndyCap) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

growler (growler!i=growler@dog.thdo.woaf.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:54:22]

Honk (Honk!i=honk@forschungslabor.dyndns.org) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:55:07]

iamlindoro_:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/theme-menus.png I'm frustrated because I can't do a horizontal scrolling menu without feeling like I'll be accused of ripping off Aeon

[19:56:06]

gbee:

iamlindoro_: my thought is that is we have tuner status and disk space widgets, then it's a slippery slope towards a huge heap of similar single pupose widgets

[19:56:52]

iamlindoro_:

gbee, I understand that, I can see how a small number of ways to present the data that can be adapted with hooks for various data would be nice/preferable

[19:57:44]

gbee:

yeah, and I've no problems making certain information available for such hooks which can then be using in any screen or popup

[19:59:03]

gbee:

and even allow for user defined data which is placed into a file by an external script or similar

[19:59:33]

banyan (banyan!n=banyan@S0106001cf0fc0c7d.cg.shawcable.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:59:58]

iamlindoro_:

Hmm... I think my MythMusic concept just halped me figure out how to take the whole theme

[20:00:14]

iamlindoro_:

will work great for the browser in MythVideo, and even in the PBB

[20:00:23]

iamlindoro_:

s/halped/helped/

[20:01:07]

iamlindoro_:

'course it means back to the drawing board

[20:01:46]

gbee:

iamlindoro_: that's how it went for me with metallurgy, after 2/3 screens I suddenly decided what I was going to do and went back to start again

[20:02:02]

iamlindoro_:

Better late than never I guess :)

[20:02:23]

gbee:

first drafts are always going to end up in the bin

[20:02:35]

hospadar (hospadar!n=luke@c-68-42-74-52.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:02:35]

MartinCleaver_ (MartinCleaver_!n=martincl@206-248-157-222.dsl.teksavvy.com) has quit (No route to host)

[20:03:35]

mchou (mchou!n=mchou@unaffiliated/mchou) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:04:51]

hospadar:

hello, I was hoping someone could recommend a capture card for me

[20:04:57]

Reiver (Reiver!n=medontwa@c-67-171-44-233.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:05:37]

hospadar:

I want to use iffor hd broadcast channels mostly

[20:07:11]

jhulst (jhulst!n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:07:27]

hospadar:

it seems like the best choice would be the hvr-1800

[20:07:54]

gbee:

ATSC?

[20:10:58]

hospadar:

N. America, so i think so

[20:12:01]

jhulst (jhulst!n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host))

[20:12:57]

mchou:

get a pinnacle PC HDTV (800i)

[20:13:24]

mchou:

very sensitive tuner

[20:13:43]

Goga777 (Goga777!n=Goga777@shpd-92-101-131-52.vologda.ru) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[20:13:48]

jhulst (jhulst!n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:13:59]

mchou:

also inexpensive

[20:15:06]

mchou:

if you want dual tuner on one card go with Fusion HDTV

[20:15:58]

mchou:

pinnacle is PCI, Fusion is PCI-E, so pick your poison

[20:16:33]

hospadar:

how much do they usually run?

[20:16:38]

mchou:

that's dual ATSC/QAM tuners

[20:16:54]

mchou:

hospadar: which one you referring to?

[20:18:07]

hospadar:

well either

[20:18:31]

mchou:

I've seen pinnacles for as low as $25

[20:18:44]

mchou:

Fusion is around $100, iirc

[20:19:05]

hospadar:

I'm looking here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category:HDTV_capture_cards

[20:19:45]

mchou:

hospadar: and?

[20:20:10]

hospadar:

are all those fusion cards basically the same but with more or less tuners?

[20:20:55]

mchou:

depends what you mean by "same"

[20:21:17]

mchou:

they certainly dont have identicle components (tuners)

[20:21:23]

mchou:

identical*

[20:21:42]

hospadar:

same in terms of compatability though?

[20:21:52]

mchou:

but funtionality wise they are the same (pci vs. oci and whatnot)

[20:22:00]

mchou:

pci*

[20:22:07]

mchou:

pcie-e*

[20:22:23]

mchou:

compatibilty with what?

[20:23:49]

hospadar:

will they all work mostly out of the box?

[20:24:38]

Savick (Savick!n=Saviq@static-78-8-144-80.ssp.dialog.net.pl) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:24:50]

Saviq (Saviq!n=Saviq@static-78-8-144-80.ssp.dialog.net.pl) has quit (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer))

[20:24:50]

mchou:

yup

[20:24:59]

hospadar:

cool

[20:25:03]

octavsly (octavsly!n=octavian@195-241-244-119.ip.telfort.nl) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:26:32]

hospadar:

thanks for the help. I already hav a nice analog box running but I'm building a digital box for my dad

[20:27:22]

mchou:

if you want dual tuners I actually this HDHomerun is a better deal than Fusion

[20:27:31]

mchou:

s/this/think

[20:27:56]

mchou:

but HDHR has older generation of tuners demodulators

[20:28:28]

mchou:

and you wont need PCI/PCI-E slots

[20:28:52]

d0nets:

hey could someone help a newb setup mythweb

[20:29:47]

Goga777 (Goga777!n=Goga777@shpd-92-101-131-52.vologda.ru) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:30:02]

hospadar:

well i'll probably only have one tuner

[20:30:50]

gentoofan23 (gentoofan23!n=gentoofa@gentoo/developer/gentoofan23) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:31:02]

gentoofan23 is now known as tanderson

[20:31:38]

hospadar:

d0nets: what's your issue, what distro do you use

[20:31:47]

d0nets:

ubuntu 8.10

[20:32:00]

d0nets:

i did sudo apt-get install mythplugins

[20:32:29]

d0nets:

and thats it

[20:32:35]

d0nets:

just need some guidance from there

[20:32:45]

hospadar:

open up mythbuntu-control-centre

[20:34:24]

hospadar:

there's a section there for plugins, you can activate mythweb from there and set a password

[20:35:18]

Hoxzer (Hoxzer!n=dsadsad@dsl-hkigw7-fe1df900-39.dhcp.inet.fi) has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer))

[20:35:36]

d0nets:

im not use mythbuntu

[20:36:13]

hospadar:

ohh

[20:38:47]

hospadar:

well you can still install the control center with apt-get

[20:39:16]

Hoxzer (Hoxzer!n=dsadsad@dsl-hkigw7-fe1df900-39.dhcp.inet.fi) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:39:18]

hospadar:

ï»¿sudo apt-get install ï»¿mythbuntu-control-centre

[20:40:27]

hadeees (hadeees!n=hadees@cpe-67-9-179-169.austin.res.rr.com) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[20:40:36]

hospadar:

I would think aslong as apache is installed it should be fine

[20:41:20]

atmaweapon (atmaweapon!n=atma@ip70-190-162-121.ph.ph.cox.net) has quit ()

[20:43:10]

bobgill (bobgill!n=smileyfa@CPE000802b64568-CM0011e6c40b1f.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:44:34]

d0nets:

ok lemme try

[20:44:55]

d0nets:

sudo mythbuntu-control-centre

[20:44:59]

d0nets:

lol wrong windblow

[20:50:05]

gbee:

iamlindoro, jpabq: http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/metallurgy_watch_recordings.png

[20:50:29]

iamlindoro_:

Nice, saw the submenu thing go in this morning

[20:50:39]

iamlindoro_:

Really cool

[20:50:50]

gbee:

Metallurgy Watch Recordings with mythui – pretty much as it looks in 0.21 but there are a couple of new touches

[20:51:15]

gbee:

ignore the masking on the preview image, that's left over from testing the masking code

[20:51:52]

iamlindoro_:

looks good to me

[20:53:01]

iamlindoro_:

gbee, what's the Mythvideo UI bit for stars?

[20:54:36]

stephelton (stephelton!n=stephen@cpe-76-186-223-176.tx.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:54:54]

pembo13 (pembo13!n=pembo13@75.87.128.16) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:55:12]

pembo13:

how do I get mythtv channel line up to match what i am getting from schedules direct?

[20:55:18]

pembo13:

I did `mythfilldatabase --refresh`

[20:55:27]

pembo13:

but the channel lineup and data don't match what i am supposed to be getting

[20:55:30]

pembo13:

the number of channels are wrong

[20:55:37]

pembo13:

and the position of some channels are wrong

[20:55:57]

gbee:

in mythvideo? It's a statetype, with five states

[20:56:05]

gbee:

give me a second and I'll find the name of it

[20:56:14]

justinh:

userrating, I thought..

[20:56:19]

wagnerrp:

pembo13: you probably dont have the xmlids set up properly

[20:56:27]

pembo13:

wagnerrp: suddenly?

[20:56:42]

pembo13:

wagnerrp: this isn't a new install... i just recently noticed the channels not right

[20:56:44]

wagnerrp:

if you do a channel scan, you need to make sure the IDs align with what SD wants

[20:56:55]

wagnerrp:

not sure what would cause them to suddenly change

[20:56:58]

pembo13:

wagnerrp: ok.. how do i go about doing that?

[20:57:01]

dgar1:

r elo

[20:57:13]

dgar1:

oops-wrong window

[20:57:20]

iamlindoro_:

aeiou and sometimes y

[20:57:33]

gbee:

"userratingstate", numbered states from 1 to 5

[20:57:40]

wagnerrp:

you can set the xmlids inside mythtv-setup/channel-manager, or from within mythweb

[20:57:49]

wagnerrp:

but if this was an existing system, i doubt thats your issue

[20:57:58]

iamlindoro_:

gbee, so state name = "1" etc.

[20:57:59]

justinh:

gbee: nice :)

[20:58:09]

iamlindoro_:

?

[20:58:16]

MartinCleaver (MartinCleaver!n=martincl@206-248-157-222.dsl.teksavvy.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:58:17]

iamlindoro_:

(thank you, by the by)

[20:58:44]

pembo13:

wagnerrp: any other suggestions then?

[20:59:03]

pembo13:

i ony have one data source

[20:59:09]

pembo13:

and the data from the data source is correct

[20:59:18]

pembo13:

so i have no idea where mythtv is getting this incorrect stuff

[20:59:41]

pembo13:

... and it seems like mythsetup just crashed

[20:59:48]

pembo13:

while doing a channel scan

[20:59:50]

hospadar (hospadar!n=luke@c-68-42-74-52.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has left #mythtv-users ()

[21:00:23]

laga:

pembo13: bind it to one cpu using taskset -c 0 mythtv-setup

[21:00:43]

pembo13:

backtrace: http://rafb.net/p/ldxPxa70.html

[21:00:49]

pembo13:

laga: ok

[21:00:53]

d0nets:

ok mythweb is working

[21:00:58]

d0nets:

now how do i watch my tv over it

[21:01:22]

wagnerrp:

thats a pretty fugly backtrace

[21:01:28]

justinh:

you make sure you've got ffmpeg with mp3 encoding support

[21:01:31]

wagnerrp:

i dont think ive seen one beyond maybe 10 lines

[21:02:07]

pembo13:

wagnerrp: was just using the channel editor in mythtvsetup

[21:02:32]

** iamlindoro_ sadly notes how many 1 star movies he owns :) **

[21:02:50]

laga:

iamlindoro_: i bet those are your favourite ones.

[21:03:10]

MaverickTech (MaverickTech!n=Maverick@111.86.233.220.exetel.com.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:03:24]

iamlindoro_:

hahah

[21:03:28]

iamlindoro_:

I admit nothing

[21:03:41]

iamlindoro_:

Except to say that "anchorman" was ROBBED

[21:03:57]

pembo13:

are there any docs on syncing mythtv with the datasource?

[21:04:09]

wagnerrp:

i have my 'copy' of Battlefield Earth, for posterity's sake

[21:04:17]

wagnerrp:

although i cant actually bring myself to watch it

[21:04:21]

iamlindoro_:

gbee, I think that statetype may be a little broken

[21:04:21]

wagnerrp:

i tried once, it was painful

[21:04:32]

gbee:

iamlindoro_: how so?

[21:04:36]

iamlindoro_:

gbee, AFAICT some ratings in that state are not clearing the previous one

[21:04:52]

gbee:

iamlindoro_: which painter?

[21:04:56]

_gnome42 (_gnome42!n=gnome42@76-10-136-59.dsl.teksavvy.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:04:58]

iamlindoro_:

GL

[21:05:11]

gbee:

I can't see how that would happen, I can't reproduce either

[21:05:23]

iamlindoro_:

ie I have two three star films, and the opacity seems to change going between then

[21:05:25]

iamlindoro_:

with the same image

[21:05:26]

gbee:

have a screenshot, just some visual prompt to get my brain working?

[21:05:37]

iamlindoro_:

I presume it's because something's being redrawn over

[21:06:07]

pembo13:

so usuing the channel editor seems to have made things worse

[21:06:21]

pembo13:

everything now says "Unamed: "

[21:06:23]

iamlindoro_:

gbee, also have some "0.0" films being drawn as 4 star

[21:07:23]

justinh:

maybe it's not clearing the star between items

[21:07:25]

iamlindoro_:

gbee, It's a very subtle behavior and not at all the end of the world

[21:08:02]

iamlindoro_:

just a little strange when the same image suddenly has two stars get brighter

[21:08:13]

iamlindoro_:

definitely a not clearing issue

[21:08:15]

gbee:

nah, it should be clearing them, the statetypes are use in a lot of places, e.g. watermarks, if it weren't working I'd have expected someone to mention it before now

[21:08:21]

iamlindoro_:

as my first item is a folder-- no stars

[21:08:24]

pembo13:

help would be appreciated.. not finding anything on google

[21:08:31]

iamlindoro_:

scroll right, then left back to it, suddenly it has three stars

[21:08:37]

gbee:

not saying there isn't a problem, but I'm a little baffled

[21:08:53]

iamlindoro_:

consistent, too, so it seems not to be the painter

[21:09:00]

gbee:

iamlindoro_: oh wait, could be an issue local to mythvideo

[21:09:00]

wagnerrp:

pembo13: this is digital, not analog?

[21:09:06]

sebrock (sebrock!n=sebastia@hd5b90669.c46-01-08.dyn.perspektivbredband.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:09:17]

pembo13:

wagnerrp: this is analog, basic cable

[21:09:19]

hadees (hadees!n=hadees@cpe-67-9-179-169.austin.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:09:27]

wagnerrp:

well then you should never even be touching that stuff

[21:09:31]

d0nets:

anyone?

[21:09:37]

d0nets:

where do i go in mythweb to watch the tv?

[21:09:38]

pembo13:

wagnerrp: or rather i am coming straight from a coax

[21:09:39]

wagnerrp:

dump your channels, fetch the listings from scheduling source

[21:09:47]

wagnerrp:

and be done with it

[21:09:48]

justinh:

d0nets: 'recorded programs'

[21:09:56]

justinh:

d0nets: you can't watch 'live' tv in mythweb

[21:09:57]

pembo13:

wagnerrp: how do i dump the channels?

[21:09:59]

d0nets:

oh

[21:10:08]

octavsly (octavsly!n=octavian@195-241-244-119.ip.telfort.nl) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[21:10:11]

d0nets:

well i cant even get my guide workin or change my channels yet

[21:10:12]

gbee:

oh poo, I can't grep for DisplayState to find the right line since Anduin's obscured it ;)

[21:10:16]

justinh:

mythtv != slingshot or whatever they call it

[21:10:19]

d0nets:

so all i can do is watch live tv

[21:10:19]

wagnerrp:

i believe in the channel editor

[21:10:29]

d0nets:

slingbox

[21:10:29]

wagnerrp:

you cannot get livetv running over mythtv

[21:10:32]

d0nets:

oh

[21:10:32]

wagnerrp:

err... mythweb

[21:10:33]

justinh:

d0nets: no, you can't watch live tv over mythweb

[21:10:34]

d0nets:

thats lame

[21:10:39]

justinh:

no it's not lame

[21:10:42]

d0nets:

is there another program or plugin?

[21:10:43]

pembo13:

wagnerrp: will try that after i do some updates

[21:10:46]

iamlindoro_:

so write it yourself, numbnuts

[21:10:46]

justinh:

d0nets: nope

[21:10:52]

d0nets:

or any way to watch live tv over the web

[21:10:54]

wagnerrp:

d0nets: check out VLC

[21:10:56]

iamlindoro_:

not our problem

[21:11:18]

justinh:

d0nets: www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer :-P

[21:12:03]

d0nets:

iu dont want bbc

[21:12:08]

d0nets:

i want history channel

[21:12:13]

d0nets:

my gfs father had a heart attack

[21:12:21]

d0nets:

9AM to 9pm in the waitingroom

[21:12:36]

wagnerrp:

so record some shows, and watch them an hour behind

[21:12:37]

d0nets:

can make someone go insane

[21:12:45]

d0nets:

like i said

[21:12:50]

justinh:

learn to read :)

[21:12:54]

wagnerrp:

or steal someone's cane, and manipulate the tv in the waiting room

[21:13:01]

d0nets:

i cant get my guide working nor can i change teh channel

[21:13:04]

d0nets:

anyone use directv?

[21:13:11]

wagnerrp:

so do manual recording

[21:13:19]

iamlindoro_:

I love that after the heart attack the big concern is how to entertain oneself in the waiting room

[21:13:28]

d0nets:

: /

[21:13:28]

wagnerrp:

or buy a subscription to SD (or get a trial subscription)

[21:13:35]

iamlindoro_:

if you're that obtuse get yourself some legos

[21:13:35]

d0nets:

trust me i know what the priorities are dude

[21:13:53]

justinh:

iamlindoro_: of course. tv is more important than human life & helping loved ones cope with a relative's illness :)

[21:14:00]

d0nets:

so dont give me that shit because im trying to help get my mind off things

[21:14:05]

iamlindoro_:

watch your language

[21:14:12]

d0nets:

below me

[21:14:26]

iamlindoro_:

"..is not much to look at"

[21:14:56]

justinh:

you know what my new year's resolution was? my only one.. apart from trying not to pay so much damn tax.. it's to test irssi & see how full my ignore list can get before I hit problems

[21:15:28]

test1 (test1!n=test1@81-66-55-24.rev.numericable.fr) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:15:43]

pembo13:

wagnerrp: so are you saying to delete all channels?

[21:15:59]

pembo13:

wagnerrp: will i loose all my recordings schedules doing that?

[21:16:00]

wagnerrp:

delete all the channels, download from the listings source

[21:16:01]

Savick (Savick!n=Saviq@static-78-8-144-80.ssp.dialog.net.pl) has quit ("Caught sigterm, terminating...")

[21:16:18]

pembo13:

ok

[21:16:25]

d0nets:

wagnerp

[21:16:34]

wagnerrp:

you will not lose any schedules, but you may need to recreate schedules that are 'record on this specific channel'

[21:16:37]

d0nets:

theres only like 5 channels

[21:17:01]

d0nets:

well i dont have the ability to change the channel yet

[21:17:05]

wagnerrp:

thats a crappy hospital that only gets 5 channels

[21:17:39]

wagnerrp:

anyway, pembo13, with analog tv (in the US), you should never be doing your own scan

[21:17:57]

test1:

hello . some foreign grabs don t give info about channel frequencies (as tv_grab_fr) so ...

[21:17:58]

wagnerrp:

SD (and zap2it before them) provide everything mythtv needs

[21:18:31]

gnome42 (gnome42!n=gnome42@69-196-169-87.dsl.teksavvy.com) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[21:18:57]

d0nets:

ok hrmm

[21:19:00]

gbee:

iamlindoro_: is the statetype inside or outside of the list?

[21:19:05]

d0nets:

i registered with them last week

[21:19:08]

d0nets:

but couldnt get it working

[21:19:15]

iamlindoro_:

gbee, outside

[21:19:39]

pembo13:

wagnerrp: i've updated mythtv, deleted all the channels, did a scan... and now everything shows up as Unnamed

[21:19:54]

wagnerrp:

no! no scan! grab the channels from the listings source

[21:20:08]

gbee:

I've only really tested it in the list, I'd like to find and fix the bug but I can no longer find my way around mythvideo as it's been reorganised, I think you'll need to file a bug with Anduin

[21:20:21]

iamlindoro_:

okay, sounds like a plan

[21:21:02]

d0nets:

wagnerrp any idea how to blast signals to a d10 directv stb?

[21:21:04]

gbee:

the statetype either need to be Reset() between changes in the selected item

[21:21:05]

Anduin:

iamlindoro_: step one, add stars to the default video-ui :)

[21:21:06]

pembo13:

wagnerrp: ok.. didn't realise there was a diff.... i take you mean go the data source page and "click" grab lisitngs?

[21:21:21]

iamlindoro_:

gbee, draw order also seems slightly broken

[21:21:22]

pembo13:

video source*

[21:22:00]

gbee:

actually, there isn't an "or", those out of list items just need to have Reset() called on them to reset them to their default values

[21:22:43]

iamlindoro_:

gbee, Anduin: Have a backdrop defined before the video list, and when I page through the list, it's drawing over... alt-tab out of the window and back and it fixes itself

[21:22:59]

wagnerrp:

when you go into input connections, and define the card to a source

[21:23:07]

wagnerrp:

you should have two buttons, a scan and a fetch

[21:23:25]

pembo13:

wagnerrp: ok

[21:23:31]

wagnerrp:

i dont quite remember how it looks, its been months since ive pulled that up, and am not currently able to do so

[21:23:34]

Anduin:

gbee: easy enough, currently the state is set to ""

[21:23:36]

gbee:

iamlindoro: ok, now that's more likely to be a mythui bug, but again it's not one that I've seen and most screens have a background of some sort defined

[21:23:58]

iamlindoro_:

gbee, It's actually the *second* thing underlaid that's the problem, wonder if that's it

[21:24:02]

wagnerrp:

d0nets: you get an ir-blaster, and glue it to the ir input on your STB

[21:24:15]

d0nets:

i have one

[21:24:17]

d0nets:

its right next to it

[21:24:20]

d0nets:

its all plugged in

[21:24:27]

iamlindoro_:

gbee, doesn't go behind the first (background) but is swapping behind the menu scroller backdrop, which lies between the two

[21:24:42]

wagnerrp:

well then youre already beyond my knowledge, ive never tried using one

[21:24:43]

Lord_Deathscythe (Lord_Deathscythe!n=chris@c-76-18-178-167.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:24:50]

gbee:

Anduin: yeah, that will only work when the statetype has <showempty>true</showempty>, otherwise a statetype will always try to display the previous state if given one it doesn't support

[21:25:03]

gbee:

don't ask me why, it was like that when I got here ;)

[21:25:24]

Anduin:

gbee: ah, hmm, maybe I'll just always Reset before setting

[21:26:13]

Guest96185 (Guest96185!n=quantum@71-214-130-5.roch.qwest.net) has quit ()

[21:27:19]

Anduin:

iamlindoro: can you change videoutils.cpp: CheckedSet(MythUIStateType...) to Reset()?

[21:27:28]

iamlindoro_:

yep

[21:27:37]

Anduin:

or I can be less lazy and go define a star state type in the default theme

[21:27:57]

iamlindoro_:

naw, will just take me a sec

[21:28:01]

sebrock (sebrock!n=sebastia@hd5b90669.c46-01-08.dyn.perspektivbredband.net) has quit ("Leaving")

[21:28:42]

Anduin:

and I haven't given up on your trailer bug, just stopped for a while, no invalid instruction here, just tries to write mbs to a null picture.

[21:29:19]

pembo13:

wagnerrp: thanks, i'll rememeber that for next time

[21:30:00]

iamlindoro_:

Anduin, where do you want the Reset() in relation to the void CheckedSet(MythUIType *container, const QString &itemName, const QString &text)?

[21:30:16]

wagnerrp:

pembo13: ive never actually done an analog channel scan in mythtv

[21:30:37]

iamlindoro_:

Anduin, If in the brackets, that gives Reset not declared in this scope

[21:30:40]

wagnerrp:

if you have a decent listings source, its just counterproductive

[21:30:50]

Anduin:

iamlindoro: it should be in the specialized one, line 33 should be {uiItem->Reset(); uiItem->DisplayState(state);}

[21:32:59]

croppa (croppa!n=stuart@135.27.233.220.exetel.com.au) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[21:33:22]

croppa (croppa!n=stuart@135.27.233.220.exetel.com.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:33:28]

iamlindoro_:

Anduin, http://rafb.net/p/JFTVHx58.html ?

[21:34:03]

Anduin:

iamlindoro_: No you need the {}s (or the if is a single statement, extending only to the first ;)

[21:34:10]

pembo13:

wagnerrp: i thought that was "the way"

[21:34:34]

Anduin:

iamlindoro: and your checkout is old :)

[21:34:48]

iamlindoro_:

Anduin, Like two days!! ;) Anyway, that seems to work

[21:34:59]

iamlindoro_:

Yep, works

[21:35:09]

iamlindoro_:

Gah, nope

[21:35:17]

iamlindoro_:

works *somewhat*

[21:35:27]

iamlindoro_:

Still end up with a three star rating for a folder, though

[21:35:33]

iamlindoro_:

just not drawing over each other any more

[21:35:51]

iamlindoro_:

So it's really only when dealing with a non-item item that it still shows up

[21:36:02]

Anduin:

ok, I can fix that, we abandon the update draw too soon is all

[21:36:22]

Anduin:

are there stars in the default iamges?

[21:36:25]

iamlindoro_:

But yes, on everything else it looks perfect :)

[21:36:42]

iamlindoro_:

Anduin, No, these are "custom" (in that inkscape's star tool gave them to me :) )

[21:36:51]

flindet (flindet!n=flindet@76.20.20.163) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:37:10]

iamlindoro_:

But I can throw them in the default theme fairly easily if you like

[21:37:23]

Anduin:

iamlindoro_: Yeah, I just hate theme work and hate making images more, I'm betting ugly black boxes will work just fine to test with :)

[21:37:37]

iamlindoro_:

sure will

[21:37:45]

iamlindoro_:

hang on, will pastebin the relevant UI part

[21:37:52]

Anduin:

and if you make a patch to add them to the default theme I'll happily apply it

[21:38:10]

iamlindoro_:

Hang on, I can do that in a couple minutes

[21:38:32]

Anduin:

it would probably have taken me hours so...

[21:38:37]

gbee:

the rating equation probably needs some more clever rounding, currently only a film with a 10/10 rating would get five stars, but that should probably be anything with a rating > 9

[21:39:30]

iamlindoro_:

Anduin, if all you want to do is test, http://rafb.net/p/itUdcs43.html

[21:39:45]

iamlindoro_:

where mv_1star.png is an image of 1 star, mv_2star is an image of two stars, etc.

[21:39:53]

gbee:

that's what I get for adding it in a half-arsed hurry

[21:39:58]

danomac (danomac!n=danomac@d207-216-17-49.bchsia.telus.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:40:06]

iamlindoro_:

I will come up with a patch later for the default theme that won't make me look like I'm ripping off the default theme ;)

[21:40:44]

** gbee waits for the onslaught of themes where everyone uses a linear line of stars for the rating instead of something different/more adventurous **

[21:40:53]

Anduin:

iamlindoro_: thanks, if you make the patch and are willing to part with it can you please attach the inkskape file so I can add it to the artwork directory

[21:41:15]

iamlindoro_:

Anduin, Yeah, that's no problem, just have one example of my images right now so I should make something different for the default theme

[21:41:24]

Lord_Deathscythe (Lord_Deathscythe!n=chris@c-76-18-178-167.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) has quit ("Leaving")

[21:41:24]

iamlindoro_:

If only for selfish reasons :)

[21:41:33]

gbee:

Anduin: want the inkscape file for the default images?

[21:41:36]

iamlindoro_:

although admittedly they're just plan white stars, rotated

[21:41:49]

Anduin:

iamlindoro_: Ok, you don't need to, well if you want it to look good, but otherwise...

[21:42:00]

danomac:

is there any way to have the video manager use a different player for only ogm containers?

[21:42:05]

iamlindoro_:

Anduin, naw, I'm happy to, I'll get something together this afternoon

[21:42:29]

iamlindoro_:

The needing to alt-tab to get the draw order right is weird, though

[21:42:34]

Anduin:

gbee: If you have them yes, I'd like to keep all originals so the worst I'll ever need to do is learn inkscape rather than try to emulate what was done years ago.

[21:43:03]

flindet (flindet!n=flindet@76.20.20.163) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[21:43:13]

Anduin:

danomac: You can set the player in the File Types screen in MythVideo settings

[21:43:15]

gbee:

k

[21:43:46]

gbee:

was my intention to make the inkscape files available for the entire default theme when I'd finished the mythui port

[21:43:51]

danomac:

Anduin: thanks, i don't recall seeing that option there. apparently mplayer hates ogm containers... someone told me vlc handles them fine, so i'm compiling vlc now

[21:44:19]

gbee:

I hope that once themers get going that no-one will ever see those default images/theme, but all the same

[21:44:54]

gbee:

danomac: doesn't the internal player like them either?

[21:45:22]

gbee:

possibly not since both mplayer and mythtv are ffmpeg based, but you never know

[21:45:30]

danomac:

gbee: i actually haven't used the internal player – i am so used to mplayer on my other boxes

[21:45:49]

danomac:

there's a specific problem with mplayer in that it won't allow you to switch audio or video streams

[21:46:17]

iamlindoro_:

Internal does that nicely ;)

[21:46:23]

gbee:

danomac: ok, sounds like the internal player might be worth try, faster than compiling vlc

[21:46:40]

danomac:

my computer is really fast

[21:46:43]

gbee:

worth a try ... swear this keyboard hates me

[21:46:45]

danomac:

compiles take no time at all

[21:47:00]

gbee:

switching to internal for videos takes a second :)

[21:47:02]

laga:

can it run an infinite loop in under two hours?

[21:47:08]

danomac:

it took a little over 5 minutes to compile vlc

[21:47:54]

danomac:

this PC can compile openoffice 2.4.x in < 45 minutes :)

[21:47:55]

iamlindoro_:

Internal is better than VLC ;)

[21:48:07]

test1 (test1!n=test1@81-66-55-24.rev.numericable.fr) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[21:48:22]

danomac:

i'm going to try setting the internal player for ogm files, but to do that i have to find my bluetooth keyboard :|

[21:48:53]

gbee:

while you are at it, you might try using it for all videos

[21:51:21]

iamlindoro_:

Missing a couple masks, but you get the idea: http://www.fecitfacta.com/theme-MV-browser.png

[21:51:35]

iamlindoro_:

Empty box is for the video widget when it comes

[21:51:45]

Anduin:

very nice

[21:52:15]

iamlindoro_:

In other "totally unfair" news, JAmes Bond has a lower rating than Lethal Weapon 2 ;)

[21:52:18]

iamlindoro_:

Anduin, Thanks :)

[21:52:42]

gbee:

Anduin: like it, a lot

[21:53:01]

wagnerrp:

which james bond?

[21:53:10]

iamlindoro_:

Casino Royale

[21:53:42]

iamlindoro_:

gbee, was that for me? :)

[21:54:03]

wagnerrp:

you sure you got the right casino royale data?

[21:54:11]

gbee:

iam: yeah sorry, brain <-> fingers disconnect

[21:54:22]

iamlindoro_:

gbee, Thanks then :) (felt a bit embarassed asking)

[21:54:30]

iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp, it's from TMDB, so user submitted

[21:54:46]

iamlindoro_:

ie "roll/role"

[21:55:23]

iamlindoro_:

I keep trying to puzzle that one out, as in, yes, I guess he's "rolling out" as James Bond... and "first role as James Bond" doesn't make much sense, but it still hurts my head

[21:55:27]

DarkDrgn2k (DarkDrgn2k!n=DarkDrgn@CPE000f3d01971a-CM00125573082a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:55:36]

DarkDrgn2k:

Hey guys

[21:56:02]

DarkDrgn2k:

i currently have tones backedup DVDs on my harddrive in ISO format. Is there a better format i can store them in so they dont take up all that space

[21:56:31]

DarkDrgn2k:

i only care about having SUBs, preferably up to 2 audio tracks (5.1 and 2.0 if available) and the quality to be relativly good.

[21:56:55]

wagnerrp:

hell, loaded weapon got a better score than casino royale

[21:57:29]

keith_ (keith_!n=kbe2@216-164-144-176.c3-0.eas-ubr9.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:57:53]

iamlindoro_:

total BS

[21:59:54]

justinh:

what do you expect? no self-respecting geek would be comfortable with a film where a 'fit' guy is shown in such a good light :P

[22:00:12]

iamlindoro_:

hehe

[22:00:21]

mchou:

what do you mean?

[22:00:26]

wagnerrp:

what, naked, dangling out of a seatless chair?

[22:00:28]

mchou:

his balls got busted

[22:00:49]

mchou:

wouldnt wish that on anyone

[22:00:56]

justinh:

oh I dunno

[22:01:42]

mchou:

the funny thing was he could still "perform" from the hospital bed after that

[22:02:04]

wagnerrp:

hes bond, he can heal from any injury!

[22:02:20]

directhex:

gears of war style

[22:02:22]

wagnerrp:

or.... hes bond, he has spares!

[22:02:28]

directhex:

"ow, my leg got blown off" "walk it off, pussy!"

[22:02:29]

iamlindoro_:

At least this bond *gets* injured

[22:02:29]

mchou:

I think you've mixed up Bond with the Cheerleader from "Heroes"

[22:03:15]

DarkDrgn2k:

can any one point me to where i can learn how to configure my snd_via82xx device for 5.1 output?

[22:03:17]

Goga777 (Goga777!n=Goga777@shpd-92-101-131-52.vologda.ru) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[22:04:07]

justinh:

www.alsaproject.org ?

[22:04:27]

directhex:

use a spoon.

[22:05:21]

dgar1 (dgar1!n=dgarrett@adsl-76-246-19-246.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))

[22:05:35]

Hoxzer (Hoxzer!n=dsadsad@dsl-hkigw7-fe1df900-39.dhcp.inet.fi) has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer))

[22:05:50]

keith_:

#yourdistro?

[22:05:52]

DarkDrgn2k:

http://www.alsaproject.org/ <- wooohoo parked domain!

[22:06:05]

keith_:

it's alsa-project

[22:06:07]

DarkDrgn2k:

www.alsa-project.org <- aaaaa... refreshing

[22:06:11]

DarkDrgn2k:

lol

[22:07:54]

iamlindoro_:

Oh yay, Anduin added back in the detail screen. More screens to theme, just what I need ;)

[22:08:19]

Anduin:

iamlindoro_: It is optional, you don't need to add it

[22:08:22]

danomac:

while i'm in here, is there any negative repercussions about removing the "Watch TV" and "Manage Recordings" from the menu system?

[22:08:30]

danomac:

i only use mythtv as a frontend to my NAS

[22:08:38]

directhex:

danomac, mythtv is a bad fit for non-tv roles

[22:08:40]

iamlindoro_:

Anduin, Heh, I have no excuses, I'm one of the people who made noise about it being gone :)

[22:08:41]

DarkDrgn2k:

danomac: nop.. its only an XML file :)

[22:08:41]

Anduin:

danomac: No

[22:09:06]

Hoxzer (Hoxzer!n=dsadsad@dsl-hkigw7-fe1df900-39.dhcp.inet.fi) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:09:11]

danomac:

i found the xml file, i figured i should make sure before i go deleting things ;)

[22:09:32]

danomac:

directhex: how so? i've been using mythtv for quite a while as a frontend this way! o_O

[22:09:50]

DarkDrgn2k:

danomac: at one point myth would not even work if a tuner was not defined

[22:10:01]

directhex:

danomac, the need for a mysql server? the need for identical files in identical paths on all systems?

[22:10:07]

DarkDrgn2k:

danomac: not it just warns that you dont know what you are doing.. and keeps going in case you really do

[22:10:28]

keith_:

a upnp server might be better-suited for tha

[22:10:29]

keith_:

t

[22:10:30]

danomac:

huh. i've never had any problems with it...

[22:10:41]

danomac:

course all my files are only in one place

[22:10:44]

DarkDrgn2k:

directhex: to be fair... having identical files on each computer is NOT really a byproduct of the tv..

[22:10:53]

directhex:

DarkDrgn2k, but the same path?

[22:10:57]

danomac:

i'm actually building a dedicated htpc for this purpose now

[22:11:06]

danomac:

trying to work out some bugs

[22:11:06]

DarkDrgn2k:

directhex: .. stil not REALLY a by product of the tv..

[22:11:15]

DarkDrgn2k:

sorry that was @ danomac

[22:11:24]

directhex:

DarkDrgn2k, but not ideal. a poor fit, as it were

[22:11:46]

DarkDrgn2k:

directhex: curious: could u recommend a differnt product then?

[22:11:59]

danomac:

i used to use lirc as a mouse and just open stuff with konqueror until i tried mythtv out

[22:12:00]

danomac:

^^;

[22:12:08]

directhex:

DarkDrgn2k, there are 20 or 30 by now

[22:12:19]

DarkDrgn2k:

directhex: yes but are they as wife friendly as myth?

[22:12:28]

directhex:

DarkDrgn2k, xbmc, entertainer, elisa, and so on

[22:12:37]

danomac:

my grandma can use mythtv, don't know about anything else...

[22:12:57]

DarkDrgn2k:

wow

[22:13:01]

DarkDrgn2k:

xbmc looks nice..

[22:13:58]

stuarta (stuarta!n=stuarta@unaffiliated/stuarta) has left #mythtv-users ("my pumpkin has gout")

[22:15:23]

jduggan:

ok fuck you

[22:15:29]

DarkDrgn2k:

?

[22:15:32]

jduggan:

sorry

[22:15:34]

danomac:

the don't provide sources though

[22:15:37]

danomac:

they*

[22:15:39]

jduggan:

i hit up on the wrong term

[22:15:41]

jduggan:

and enter

[22:15:43]

danomac:

i don't use a debian based distro

[22:15:47]

jduggan:

(that was from another irc channel haha)

[22:15:51]

DarkDrgn2k:

danomac: who doenst prvoce source?

[22:15:57]

danomac:

xbmc

[22:16:00]

iamlindoro_:

of course they do

[22:16:03]

DarkDrgn2k:

?? http://xbmc.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/xbmc/branches/linuxport/

[22:16:08]

DarkDrgn2k:

right on their download page LOL

[22:16:13]

danomac:

DOH

[22:16:16]

danomac:

needed to scroll down

[22:16:27]

DarkDrgn2k:

YAY for once IM not the one that didnt read

[22:16:30]

danomac:

it's gonna be one of them days

[22:16:30]

DarkDrgn2k:

its ok.. i missed it the first time too

[22:16:33]

flindet (flindet!n=flindet@76.20.20.163) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:16:48]

danomac:

even at 1920x1200 i didnt' see it

[22:17:32]

DarkDrgn2k:

looking at the screen shots they look nice

[22:17:35]

danomac:

yeah

[22:17:41]

danomac:

i think i have a spare usb-key around

[22:17:41]

DarkDrgn2k:

... to bad im in love with myth's recording capabilities :)

[22:17:50]

danomac:

i wonder if i should start my macmini with it

[22:18:12]

DarkDrgn2k:

i wonder if they will ever support linux :)

[22:18:15]

DarkDrgn2k:

dosh

[22:18:18]

DarkDrgn2k:

i ment WII linux

[22:18:49]

iamlindoro_:

As of .22 Myth will more or less be themeable to the extent XBMC is

[22:18:52]

danomac:

i wonder if someone managed to get hardware acceleration working with the ps3 yet

[22:19:17]

iamlindoro_:

So you get the ability to add the same shiny stuff, and a much better player, plus DVR :)

[22:19:22]

DarkDrgn2k:

iamlindoro: i cant wait.. im waiting for the QT4 bugs to die down and ill be moving to .22

[22:19:27]

DarkDrgn2k:

last .22 didnt go so well :-P

[22:20:34]

iamlindoro_:

DarkDrgn2k, http://www.fecitfacta.com/theme-MV-browser.png http://www.fecitfacta.com/theme-MythMusic.png http://www.fecitfacta.com/MVplay2.png etc.

[22:20:56]

** DarkDrgn2k jaw dropped! **

[22:21:10]

DarkDrgn2k:

when can i move to myth?

[22:21:15]

DarkDrgn2k:

.22

[22:21:31]

iamlindoro_:

Heh, since all that exists only on my hard drive, you'd be wasting time. :)

[22:21:37]

iamlindoro_:

But it's coming, anyway

[22:21:40]

DarkDrgn2k:

(i knew you guys wouldnt let me down!)

[22:21:54]

DarkDrgn2k:

LOL @ iamlindoro aaa un relased skin

[22:21:56]

iamlindoro_:

Hope to have something done in time for the .22 release

[22:21:57]

** DarkDrgn2k feels special **

[22:22:11]

DarkDrgn2k:

stupid question.. but any idea when .22 will be released?

[22:22:27]

iamlindoro_:

Well, let's not call it "stupid"... let's call it *silly*

[22:22:27]

iamlindoro_:

:)

[22:22:32]

iamlindoro_:

Since you know the answer is...

[22:22:33]

DarkDrgn2k:

sounds good

[22:22:34]

DarkDrgn2k:

LOL

[22:22:35]

iamlindoro_:

"When it's done"

[22:22:37]

gbee:

http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/mimic.png http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/mythui_watch . . . gs_wide1.png

[22:22:56]

gbee:

http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/metallurgy_m . . . gallery7.png

[22:23:04]

DarkDrgn2k:

huh.. thast myth?

[22:23:15]

iamlindoro_:

I love the mimic example, i'm going to trot it out any time someone bitches about UI

[22:23:41]

iamlindoro_:

DarkDrgn2k, Yes, all Myth

[22:23:45]

DarkDrgn2k:

very nice..

[22:23:59]

DarkDrgn2k:

hey is it just me or is the guide buggy?

[22:24:09]

DarkDrgn2k:

i can never use it because it always seems slow or freezes

[22:24:11]

directhex:

so... will the default myth themes be gaining any awesome, or will they just be direct ports?

[22:24:22]

iamlindoro_:

The mimic sample is a clone of a very popular XBMC skin that gbee whipped up

[22:24:43]

DarkDrgn2k:

dam i REALLY gatta get on board with the development of this stuff :-S

[22:24:48]

DarkDrgn2k:

... no time though :(

[22:24:50]

Lord_Deathscythe (Lord_Deathscythe!n=chris@c-76-18-178-167.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:25:02]

iamlindoro_:

directhex, As of now they're just MythUI compatible without too much new stuff. But that's not to say there can't be new core themes

[22:25:24]

gbee:

directhex: bin?

[22:25:29]

** DarkDrgn2k claps for backward compatibility **

[22:25:52]

iamlindoro_:

There's no backwards compat

[22:26:01]

DarkDrgn2k:

well. with teh UI there seems to be :-P

[22:26:02]

iamlindoro_:

MythUI themes will work with MythUI, and nothing previous

[22:26:04]

DarkDrgn2k:

wait

[22:26:06]

DarkDrgn2k:

too much

[22:26:07]

DarkDrgn2k:

never mind

[22:26:41]

DarkDrgn2k:

on a side note any awsome skins out there for .21?

[22:26:44]

DarkDrgn2k:

for sd :-S

[22:27:10]

iamlindoro_:

Themes

[22:27:15]

DarkDrgn2k:

right

[22:27:16]

DarkDrgn2k:

themes :-P

[22:27:23]

iamlindoro_:

and most of the good themes are -wide

[22:27:29]

DarkDrgn2k:

yeh...

[22:27:41]

DarkDrgn2k:

im using lulius right now

[22:28:06]

iamlindoro_:

As are all the forthcoming ones that I know of

[22:28:07]

DarkDrgn2k:

or titivillus

[22:28:17]

iamlindoro_:

My theme will break badly on SD or 4:3 screens

[22:28:19]

** DarkDrgn2k pouts **

[22:29:36]

iamlindoro_:

*shrug*, I don't own 4:3 screens, and wouldn't use them if I did, changing times...

[22:29:54]

DarkDrgn2k:

iamlindoro: yes iknow... but still.

[22:30:01]

DarkDrgn2k:

iamlindoro: some of my tvs are old crts LOl

[22:30:06]

iamlindoro_:

Ah, the old "yeah, but still!" argument

[22:30:15]

DarkDrgn2k:

iamlindoro: ....still looking for a small form myth settop box but..

[22:30:28]

iamlindoro_:

I can't play PS3 games on my colecovision. But still!

[22:30:34]

DarkDrgn2k:

...sorry for got "but still (tm)"

[22:30:58]

pembo13 (pembo13!n=pembo13@75.87.128.16) has left #mythtv-users ("Konversation terminated!")

[22:31:13]

DarkDrgn2k:

lol@colecovision remark

[22:32:03]

iamlindoro_:

Anduin, Aw, that popup's not so bad, give yourself some credit

[22:32:17]

gbee:

directhex: it all depends if someone wants to add new stuff to them, personally I can't be bothered, it takes almost as much time to update an old theme as it would to create a new one

[22:33:00]

Anduin:

iamlindoro_: If you had any idea how long that took me you would be unable to stop laughing.

[22:33:17]

iamlindoro_:

Anduin, Now how about adding the other playback options? ;)

[22:33:34]

Anduin:

Other playback options?

[22:33:36]

gbee:

the old themes will benefit from some minor visual changes added to the default (fallback) theme, but I'd rather that people came up with some new theme ideas for 0.22 with maybe just 2 or 3 of the old core themes re-imagined

[22:33:43]

iamlindoro_:

Anduin, Play With Trailers, Play Trailer

[22:34:38]

Anduin:

iamlindoro_: If you want to roll the theme change in with the stars I'll happily add the few lines of code :)

[22:34:59]

iamlindoro_:

Heh, may just do all at once, let me take a look

[22:35:13]

Anduin:

or I'll add it to the list and get to it eventually, next is backdrops and cast order though

[22:35:39]

iamlindoro_:

Backdrops are something I'd love to see, so I'll handle this :)

[22:36:19]

iamlindoro_:

One thing I hate about the dialog boxes in the default theme is the fact that the hightlithed option is the *unselected* item

[22:37:00]

gbee:

hmm?

[22:37:44]

DarkDrgn2k:

these are all the themes right: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Themes

[22:38:03]

iamlindoro_:

gbee, In the dialogbox, the "selected" is a grey of like 50,50,50 and the unselected is a grey of like 150,150,150

[22:38:03]

Anduin:

iamlindoro_: Yeah, that get me every time

[22:38:06]

Anduin:

gets

[22:38:16]

gbee:

which dialogs?

[22:38:30]

iamlindoro_:

gbee, popup

[22:38:47]

gbee:

yeah, I got that much, you mean the menu popups?

[22:39:09]

gbee:

because the selected option should be bright green

[22:39:13]

iamlindoro_:

No, not the menus

[22:39:15]

iamlindoro_:

yeah

[22:39:19]

Anduin:

gbee: the buttons

[22:39:23]

gbee:

I know there is a real problem with the button

[22:39:25]

gbee:

s

[22:39:34]

iamlindoro_:

yes, the button

[22:39:36]

iamlindoro_:

sorry

[22:39:46]

DarkDrgn2k:

so anyway, any ideas when .22 will be stable enough to start testing without blowing it up or is it still far off?

[22:39:59]

gbee:

right, np, I know it's an issue I just keep forgetting that I'm not the only one using the mythui screens now ;)

[22:40:03]

iamlindoro_:

depends on your capacity for blowing things up

[22:40:29]

DarkDrgn2k:

LOL side note.. whats a better paint engin. OpenGL or QT

[22:40:31]

jduggan:

how do you add more than one directory to a playlist in mythmusic? until now i've just had artist/album per playlist, but i've just created a playlist called 'chillout' i've added jack johnson into the list... i dont see an option to add more files to it, in edit playlist, i go to 'All My playlists' ->chillout only options i have are to delete, rename or move to active queue

[22:40:38]

kkuno (kkuno!n=wefw@151.64.204.45) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:40:40]

jduggan:

is this just something that cant be done?

[22:40:53]

jduggan:

just have to add each album to the active queue?

[22:41:19]

iamlindoro_:

DarkDrgn2k, It sort of depends, both have their problems-- I personally find that the QT painter screws up more, but when the GL painter screws up it screws up *big*

[22:41:20]

jduggan:

(no mocking jack johnson :P)

[22:41:44]

DarkDrgn2k:

iamlindoro_: ok.. swiched to opengl.. well see what happens

[22:42:10]

judazz (judazz!n=gronslet@cm-84.208.182.112.getinternet.no) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:42:12]

gbee:

I might just give the selected button a yellow highlight or something, I can't really think of a toned down way to do it at the moment, not one that will fit with the colour scheme of gant and mythcenter at the same time

[22:44:29]

DarkDrgn2k:

soo. tv guide.. any one else having problems

[22:44:46]

gbee:

"The icon is displayed using a MythUIStateType object, Could this have been done with a check box instead ?" *shudder*

[22:45:53]

directhex:

gbee, why not just bin the old ones, and make something like metallurgy a new default?

[22:46:20]

gbee:

don't let me catch anyone using a checkbox to display icons unless clicking on that icon triggers a boolean action

[22:47:02]

gbee:

directhex: I'd be happy to do that, but there would be considerable resistance, people love their GANT/Iulius/MythCenter etc

[22:47:21]

fde (fde!n=fde@unaffiliated/fde) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:47:30]

directhex:

gbee, people who love iulius need to be shot into the sun though

[22:48:41]

iamlindoro_:

hahahah

[22:49:06]

fde:

Hello, is anyone here in the US and using Cox Cable? Have you had any luck with it and MythTV? If so, what card are you using? So far, I keep ending up with cx88 cards, and all I'm getting is S-Video viewing in other apps, MythTV doesn't get a signal at all.

[22:54:59]

judaz_ (judaz_!n=gronslet@cm-84.208.182.112.getinternet.no) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:55:13]

judaz_ is now known as judaz

[22:55:52]

** jams prepares for his trip to the sun **

[23:03:48]

iamlindoro_:

Enjoy i buddy, you're as bad as stalin

[23:03:52]

iamlindoro_:

s/i/it/

[23:03:54]

iamlindoro_:

;)

[23:06:03]

gbee:

on the upside, that makes you pretty popular in Russia

[23:07:37]

DarkDrgn2k:

whast the comand in xinitrc to start vnc server on the display

[23:08:09]

jams:

Thats good news cause chances are pretty high we would need to use one of their spacecrafts.

[23:09:04]

judazz (judazz!n=gronslet@cm-84.208.182.112.getinternet.no) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[23:09:07]

riddlebox (riddlebox!n=james@75-132-225-75.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:10:12]

DarkDrgn2k:

can i make the same button on the remote do 2 differnt htings ( in 2 differnt parts of myth)

[23:10:17]

DarkDrgn2k:

IE: livetv vs Non Live TV

[23:10:31]

brayton (brayton!n=brayton@adsl-68-22-242-187.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:10:57]

brayton:

Quick question, does the HVR-1800 by Hauppauge have NTSC support yet? ive been reading conflicting reports.

[23:11:06]

wagnerrp:

yes

[23:11:24]

wagnerrp:

next question, is it supported by mythtv? nope...

[23:11:40]

brayton:

lol

[23:11:49]

judaz (judaz!n=gronslet@cm-84.208.182.112.getinternet.no) has quit ()

[23:11:56]

wagnerrp:

AFAIK, that card works just fine in linux

[23:12:04]

wagnerrp:

however that is not an IVTV card

[23:12:22]

wagnerrp:

and mythtv does not know how to handle mpeg encoders besides IVTV cards

[23:12:35]

brayton:

ok

[23:14:22]

** keith_ hugs mythtv **

[23:16:26]

DarkDrgn2k:

ok ... is there any reason why playing liveTV or recodring is so quite but mp3s are so loud?

[23:17:38]

kormoc:

there's no volume equalization?

[23:17:53]

DarkDrgn2k:

...yeh for some reason i think its more then that..

[23:18:01]

DarkDrgn2k:

is there a place to setup what the recording voluem is

[23:18:03]

DarkDrgn2k:

(pvr-150)

[23:19:25]

DarkDrgn2k:

.. found it.. is there any disadvantages of setting the volume to 100%?

[23:19:30]

Anduin:

iamlindoro: not seeing the switch from video with stars to directory = stars still showing, do you still see it with current trunk (plus the state reset patch)

[23:19:33]

Anduin:

?

[23:20:15]

iamlindoro_:

Anduin, Not now, just updated and no longer see it :)

[23:20:45]

Anduin:

iamlindoro_: Yeah, I accidentally fixed it when I switch to the generic setting in the last large commit

[23:21:06]

iamlindoro_:

hehe, nice job

[23:21:12]

Anduin:

and the star tool in inkscape was almost as easy as black boxes

[23:21:17]

iamlindoro_:

yep

[23:22:59]

XLV (XLV!n=XLV@unaffiliated/xlv) has quit ("Leaving")

[23:23:18]

iamlindoro_:

Looks like ffmpeg is about to get native VDPAU for h.264, hopefully the other codecs follow

[23:26:14]

jduggan:

wots are the keys to adjust ivtv brightness?

[23:26:43]

Anduin:

there are no ivtv specific keys, F will let you adjust picture controls during playback

[23:26:59]

Anduin:

(maybe)

[23:27:02]

jduggan:

i thought there were keys that can do it on ivtv cards

[23:27:50]

iamlindoro_:

jduggan, Since you're never directly using the card in playback, any keys affect playback, not the card itself

[23:28:08]

iamlindoro_:

You can't change the properties of the recording (and thus the card) during playback

[23:28:47]

jduggan:

all my channels are darker than they should be, i thought there used to be a method of adjusting all, which does it in the driver?

[23:29:08]

iamlindoro_:

nothing with keys bound to it

[23:29:12]

jduggan:

could be talkin crack, i did it over 12months ago

[23:29:18]

iamlindoro_:

you can adjust that kind of stuff in your channel editor though

[23:29:22]

jduggan:

..just upgraded to .21

[23:31:30]

kormoc (kormoc!n=kormoc@unaffiliated/kormoc) has quit ()

[23:31:35]

kslater (kslater!n=kslater@206.193.247.78.nauticom.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:32:12]

alexvd_ (alexvd_!n=alexvd@pool-71-187-31-161.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:40:17]

iamlindoro_:

Haha, Plot: None seems so appropriate for Tomb Raider

[23:41:02]

wagnerrp:

'Plot: bouncing...'

[23:43:53]

gbee:

Hmm, where's that "None" come from?

[23:44:09]

wagnerrp:

themoviedb.org i presume

[23:44:12]

iamlindoro_:

TMDB presumably

[23:44:36]

Anduin:

gbee: You don't want to know

[23:47:31]

gbee:

it's not TMDB, so I'll heed Anduin's advice and remain in ignorance :)

[23:48:05]

iamlindoro_:

Now I sorta wanna know

[23:48:19]

mikal_ (mikal_!n=mikal@69-12-129-6.dsl.static.sonic.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:48:28]

Anduin:

mythvide traditionally filled empty values with default values to be inserted in to the DB a translated "None" is used for plots, on the list to be disappeared one day but not very high on that list.

[23:48:55]

gbee:

only reason I even brought it up is because it blocks the themer selecting their own default

[23:49:03]

mikal_:

Hi. I'm having troubles with mythtv-setup... Specifically, the escape key doesn't exit the application in either the SVN version of stable. Is this a known issue or something?

[23:49:25]

iamlindoro_:

mikal_, You're not running an old version of trunk on a slave backend, are you?

[23:49:42]

mikal_:

No, single machine setup, SVN version from a couple of days ago

[23:49:53]

mikal_:

But the same thing happens with stable too

[23:50:02]

iamlindoro_:

be specific, trunk of -fixes? (SVN means not much)

[23:50:04]

gbee:

plus I've plans to allow widgets to depend on another widget having content – so the "Plot" label could disappear if there is no plot rather than having labels floating in mid-air for non-existant data

[23:50:04]

iamlindoro_:

er or

[23:50:12]

brayton (brayton!n=brayton@adsl-68-22-242-187.dsl.bltnin.ameritech.net) has quit ("Leaving")

[23:50:27]

mikal_:

SVN trunk, and "stable" tarball from the website both exhibit this problem

[23:50:27]

iamlindoro_:

gbee, ooh, "directed by" my being there when on a folder = win

[23:50:40]

iamlindoro_:

never build from the tar, try building fixes from SVN

[23:50:45]

iamlindoro_:

the tar is ancient

[23:50:48]

Anduin:

gbee: That will be nice, and yeah before 0.22 is out I'll be removing all default values like that.

[23:50:49]

gbee:

[23:51:11]

** mikal_ goes to try the fixes SVN **

[23:51:31]

iamlindoro_:

Need to magic up some folder icons

[23:51:51]

iamlindoro_:

something not yellow

[23:52:00]

Anduin:

it is possible I missed something when fixing the problem reporting stuff in trunk though it works for me (re mythtv-setup exiting)

[23:52:19]

iamlindoro_:

Anduin, works here too now

[23:52:23]

iamlindoro_:

fix worked for me

[23:55:26]

gbee:

iamlindoro_: you know that folder icons are now distinct from the cover image? e.g. http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/metallurgy_m . . . gallery4.png

[23:55:45]

iamlindoro_:

gbee, yeah, doesn't help me making good ones though :)

[23:55:58]

gbee:

:)

[23:57:31]

gbee:

I was going to say that the icon I created for the default theme wasn't yellow, it's Manila

[23:57:56]

gbee:

but looking at Manila (http://www.colourlovers.com/color/E6DD93/manila) I'm wrong

[23:58:42]

** iamlindoro_ wonders if a simple skew tool would be *that* hard, inkscape **

[23:58:45]

Slim-Kimbo (Slim-Kimbo!n=Kimbo@host86-150-233-143.range86-150.btcentralplus.com) has quit ()

[23:59:21]

gbee:

no? since they have a very simple one

[23:59:55]

jk1joel (jk1joel!n=jsmith@ns.jk1.net) has joined #mythtv-users

MythLogBot@irc.freenode.net :: #mythtv-users

Current users (205):