Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, December 31st, 2008, 00:04 UTC

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iamlindoro:

Oy, well that's helpful, only english track on the Firefly blu rays is DTS-HD which libav* very helpfully does nothing with

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iamlindoro:

Heh, the stupid HD-PVR on -fixes wiki page has the user steamroll files right over packages. Elegant.

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iamlindoro:

Isn't there *something* we can do about pages that are actively harmful?

[00:11:02]

iamlindoro:

You can't write about SCs there, why should you be allowed to write about breaking your DB?

[00:11:24]

poodyp:

revert it?

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iamlindoro:

Needs to be reverted out of existence

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iamlindoro:

needs to be such that they would have to *rewrite* it to readd is

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iamlindoro:

it

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abqjp:

iamlindoro: I skimmed it. It does not even tell the user how to use the best version of the available patches.

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iamlindoro:

abqjp, There are many, many things wrong with the page and the warning barely covers what's wrong about it

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iamlindoro:

He had my commercial cut scripts in there yesterday, but I removed them with a request that they not be readded

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iamlindoro:

As I want nothing to do with that smoking turd

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abqjp:

I understand the desire to use the HD-PVR. And, I understand the desire NOT to use TRUNK. But I cringe at the processes that people are using.

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iamlindoro:

You can't have an omelette without breaking some eggs

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poodyp:

how stable is trunk currently?

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iamlindoro:

these people want all the features and none of the risk and life just don't work that way

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poodyp:

and can a trunk slave backend talk to a stable master backend?

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iamlindoro:

poodyp, It's a totally abstract question. If you are the only person to use your system and don't mind risking new features literally burning out hardware, then go for it.

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iamlindoro:

and no, the revisions across your system must match

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abqjp:

poodyp: backend and frontend must be the same version

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abqjp:

poodyp: backend is actually very stable. Frontend, not so much.

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poodyp:

oh well

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poodyp:

I'm not even running a production system currently so I'm not missing anything

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phix:

hey

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phix:

I can't seem to get mt TV tuner working in Linux / MythTv

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Anduin:

phix: if if doesn't work in linux you are probably better off in one of the v4l channels, which card?

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phix:

03:00.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant Unknown device 8852 (rev 02)

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phix:

Anduin: winfast pXDVR3200 H

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phix:

main chips are: CX3028+23885+23417+MT353

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Anduin:

phix: You may get more help in #linuxtv, the wiki info for that card seems to show that the DVB side may work but I don't know if it is in the kernel yet.

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iamlindoro:

Whee, fun times: http://www.fecitfacta.com/MVplaying.png

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gbee:

nice :)

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gbee:

only one small issue, what happens at the edge of the screen?

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iamlindoro:

It's all pretty legible, only lose a couple pixels at the side

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gbee:

really? hmm, I'll take your word for it :)

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iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/MVplaying-edge.png

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gbee:

background changes with selection, or is that just random?

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iamlindoro:

Nothing that would prevent you from seeing what it is

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iamlindoro:

Still static, need to appeal to you for dynamic ones :)

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gbee:

sure, I just meant which did you have planned :)

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iamlindoro:

Oh, yeah, would use changing backgrounds when available

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gbee:

the background reflecting the selected item or just pulling a random image from the folder

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iamlindoro:

The former

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iamlindoro:

and the latter when none set, ideally

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GreyFoxx:

the background could be the fanart ?

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GreyFoxx:

If there is any

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gbee:

yeah, that's not a problem

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GreyFoxx:

That zoomcover image screen just needs some audio bling as you move around. some bing/click or something hehe

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iamlindoro:

With a lot of these effects applied MV strtup is noticeably slower (but fast once inside)

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gbee:

the former can be done now, only you need the fanart of course which is probably why you haven't done it already

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iamlindoro:

gbee, In what way could you implement the first case now?

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gbee:

well the fanart and the fanart handling code ... umm forgetting that it's not been written yet

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iamlindoro:

(genuine question as I had thought it not possible)

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iamlindoro:

ah, yeah :)

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iamlindoro:

Is that not been written, or "not been written?"

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gbee:

could display the poster now, but that wouldn't really be the same

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iamlindoro:

right

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iamlindoro:

yeah, I guess you could zoom it way the hell up, but yuck

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gbee:

given that Anduin only just volunteered ...

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iamlindoro:

Hey, you often know something I don't, just checking

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GreyFoxx:

and if you are in afolder maybe use folder.xxx as the fanart if none are defined for the specific file?

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, I'd hate to make it that staic

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iamlindoro:

static

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iamlindoro:

would be nicer just to choose at random from valid image types in /path/to/

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iamlindoro:

And add a new subfolder to ~/.mythtv/MythVideo called backdrops

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iamlindoro:

(of course it'd be a DB value, but that's where I'd default it)

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Anduin:

I'd be more likely to fix it somewhere in the existing artwork directory

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: I'm just thinking for example if I have a folder of Family Guy season 3, and each file has a coverfile but no fan art. It would be nice to show the folder.xxx if one was available

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GreyFoxx:

otherwise you'd get random whatever that has nothing to do with the content of the folder

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Anduin:

GreyFoxx: there is an existing ticket that I'll get to soon that tries harder to find artwork

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GreyFoxx:

cool

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, not that that doesn't still look good (that's what Aeon does)

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iamlindoro:

But I believe they also allow for a fixed fanart for a whole folder too

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iamlindoro:

eg http://japhule.collinsreport.com/avs/xbmc/aeon11c.jpg

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GreyFoxx:

That looks really cool for folders with TV eps

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GreyFoxx:

And I have a lot of those

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iamlindoro:

Might be nice to create an alternative type to folder.jpg/png

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Anduin:

iamlindoro: The search for folder.png will look up until it finds one, so with the proper directory structure that should work (if folder.png is allowed, maybe I'll look for a backdrops dir instead, folder.png is likely to be ugly)

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iamlindoro:

ie folder.jpg is the folder icon, folder_backdrop.png is the backdrop

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GreyFoxx:

We need a simple way to define a folder as "movies" or "TV" or similar sorta like that .info for I was using with my thetvdb grabber

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iamlindoro:

Or yeah, nice idea, .backdrops folder in a folder is the backdrops for that folder

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GreyFoxx:

so we can have context sensitive screens

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iamlindoro:

or something like that

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GreyFoxx:

a screen full of TV screenshots will be 4:3 or 16:9, where as a movie poster is neither

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GreyFoxx:

And you'd really only have to refine it once

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GreyFoxx:

err define

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gbee:

FYI I have a patch which enables the preview generator to be used on videos and DVDs, it needs updating though and extracting from a bunch of unrelated changes, but I might get around to doing that soon

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gbee:

from there it would be trivial to allow mythvideo to grab screenshots if no poster etc is available

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GreyFoxx:

Maybe it's time for a "mythpreview" binary. Something seperate from the backend heh

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GreyFoxx:

something tiny, takes a file, offset and desired size arguments

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gbee:

basically split out that small amount of code in the backend

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GreyFoxx:

yeah

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gbee:

nice idea, I look forward to it ;)

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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GreyFoxx:

:)

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GreyFoxx:

7 more days of vacation, and most toys are now assembled ;)

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GreyFoxx:

Man that fanart stuff really looks nice

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iamlindoro:

I hate to be caught up in fanboyism... but man, .22 is really going to be huge.

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GreyFoxx:

hehe yeah

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iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/MVplay2.png

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iamlindoro:

That's a bit better

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iamlindoro:

Can't tell from the screenshot but the selected item's underlay is pulsing, it's pretty pleasant

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** gbee wipes a tear of pride from his eye **

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iamlindoro:

I for one hail our new MythUI masters

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J-e-f-f-A:

Here Here!

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iamlindoro:

a lot of things start to click when you start poking at them, There's a lot of stuff you just never realized MythUI could *do* until you start trying to do them

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GreyFoxx:

the underlay pulses? hahah neat

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: I've got FC9 on the test box... working on updating it now and pulling down MythTV trunk...

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, fun fun

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, yeah, it's nice

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poodyp:

can you do overlays onto live video?

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, the one surrounding the selected item, that is

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iamlindoro:

poodyp, Not sure what you have in mind, but MythUI conversion of OSD is in progress, which more or less is exactly that

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J-e-f-f-A:

ooh, total download size 324MB... good thing I've got FiOS!!! ;-)

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poodyp:

OSD sounds good

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iamlindoro:

I have some sexy ideas for the OSD once that's fair game, actually

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iamlindoro:

Speaking of tears of pride...

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** iamlindoro plays a trailer from one of his movies **

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GreyFoxx:

http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/pics/video_gallery.png That just looks boring now ;)

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poodyp:

basically what I'm looking for is my current cable box *spit* has a button that brings up a little bar across the bottom of the screen for all the different menus

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iamlindoro:

I love my little baby feature

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iamlindoro:

poodyp, The MythUI idea is, more or less "any widget, anywhere."

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iamlindoro:

so something like that would be at the discretion of the themer but should be possible

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poodyp:

that's exciting

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iamlindoro:

I *do* honestly believe that the community owes gbee a case of his favorite beer when it's all said and done, I'll happily pitch in and pay the shipping

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, ewwwwww, that old thing? ;)

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GreyFoxx:

Really I gotta know... does anyone use GANT ?

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poodyp:

personally I wouldn't mind never seeing http://mythtv.org/mythimages/bluetvmenu.png again

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GreyFoxx:

It's just so ugly and the default

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GreyFoxx:

We just need newer screenshots up there :)

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GreyFoxx:

those are ancient :)

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waxhead:

GreyFoxx: I did for quite a while, but that's because it's the default...

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** J-e-f-f-A uses MythCenter ;-) **

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waxhead:

mostly because I don't muck about with things when they first setup...

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waxhead:

I'm running the black themed one at the moment...

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GreyFoxx:

waxhead: Exactly... and think of all the users doing the same :)

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waxhead:

GreyFoxx: it's not the prettiest theme, and I don't think it does myth tv any favours..

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waxhead:

when you look at the MS mediacentre, out of the box it looks nice enough...

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waxhead:

I get plenty enough greif over using linux/myth combo from the windows crowd...

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waxhead:

I really like some of the images I've seen of late... very impressive...

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** GreyFoxx does another svn up an watches his slaves compile **

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poodyp:

seeing MythUI makes me want to make a mouse friendly UI

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sutula:

Is there a good channel to talk to people about recovering deleted files, or is there anyone here who might be willing to answer a question or two about searching a raw disk for mp3 files?

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poodyp:

I did that once

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sutula:

If I've lost all the directory/file structure information, but know that a file starts in block x, is there anything in block x that lets you know that the next block of this file is block y?

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sutula:

(this is ext3)

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poodyp:

I think I used PhotoRec to recover the entire drive then searched for the mp3 metadata because the filenames were gone

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poodyp:

http://www.linux.com/articles/56588

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sutula:

For my disk, photorec was retrieving .mp3 files, but they were all garbled...hence the question

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poodyp:

ah

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poodyp:

that sucks

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poodyp:

no idea there

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sutula:

poodyp: Thanks for the pointer...I'll read it, perhaps write to Christophe, or just dive into the source

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J-e-f-f-A:

humm... The download of the updates was much faster than the install... ;-)

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wolfspirit:

is there a way to access your live tv recordings from within mythtv (ie. something you didn't schedule) without having to manually open up the file in an external player?

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GreyFoxx:

Go to Watch recordings, hit Menu

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GreyFoxx:

change the group filter either to all programs or to LiveTV

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wolfspirit:

nice

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wolfspirit:

GreyFoxx: thank you

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wolfspirit:

GreyFoxx: those are set to be deleted as space runs out by default correct?

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iamlindoro:

or after 24 hous

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iamlindoro:

hours

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iamlindoro:

whichever comes first

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iamlindoro:

extremely short clips are immediately expired

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wolfspirit:

nice.. my wife was about to throw something at me because I changed the channel on house and she didn't watch it yet :)

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iamlindoro:

you can convert them to actual recordings too, just bring up the menu and change its playback group

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J-e-f-f-A:

wolfspirit: It was a rerun anyways... ;-)

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wolfspirit:

J-e-f-f-A: we haven't been following it lately

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wolfspirit:

iamlindoro: will it then be outside of the ones deleted to save space?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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iamlindoro:

(well, it'll still be expire eligible, but no moreso than your normal recordings)

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iamlindoro:

it won't disappear after 24 hours like LiveTV, it will behave just as any scheduled recording

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wolfspirit:

iamlindoro: you know what's odd, since we're on this topic... the other day my drive hit 100% I didn't think that was possible

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wolfspirit:

I could have sworn there was a setting that said never go below 3%

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iamlindoro:

Depends on what caused it to go to 100%

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wolfspirit:

that drive is only for mythtv recordings

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iamlindoro:

If it's a recording that maxes out the drive and you have things set up properly, it shoudl expire the oldest expire-eligible recording

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Sedorox:

anyone know what would cause one PVR-150 to tune/change channels.. but not another?

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iamlindoro:

But if you have everything set not to expire by default, then myth will happily fill the drive

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wolfspirit:

weird

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wolfspirit:

the livetv recording looks fine in the small preview but everyone is green when I play it.. and the osd for fast forwarding is brown instead of blue

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iamlindoro:

GPU and version of myth?

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wolfspirit:

0.21-fixes on ubuntu 8.10 and an nvidia 9600 gt if I play the file outside of myth it's fine and when I watched it on live tv it was fine

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iamlindoro:

restarting the frontend help?

[03:32:41]

wolfspirit:

nope

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iamlindoro:

you physically restarted the box?

[03:32:57]

wolfspirit:

no

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wolfspirit:

watching it outside of mythtv is fine

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wolfspirit:

the frontend and backend are on the same box

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iamlindoro:

That doesn't necessarily mean anything, you should still restart the box

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waxhead:

wolfspirit: so it's not a cable issue then?

[03:33:36]

iamlindoro:

for troubleshooting purposes at the very least

[03:33:37]

wolfspirit:

no

[03:33:51]

** waxhead had a component cable that wans't plugged in right and it would lose colours **

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waxhead:

I'd lose blue I think it was, and it made everything look terrible...

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wolfspirit:

weird.. live tv is doing it now too

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wolfspirit:

I guess I'll reboot.. this is strange heh

[03:36:21]

wolfspirit:

I checked the cable it's fine

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wolfspirit:

hmmm a xvid video file works fine

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** wolfspirit is puzzled a reboot fixed it **

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brownslug4:

i dont have a soundcard installed yet, so I have to use the '-ao alsa' argument when playing one of my avi files with mplayer. 'Internal -ao alsa' wouldnt work in the avi file association command field. what can i do?

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iamlindoro:

Internal isn't mplayer

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iamlindoro:

it's a totally different player and doesn't take mplayer arguments

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brownslug4:

alright

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brownslug4:

so is there anything i can put in that command line to turn off the alsa sound

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iamlindoro:

No. Internal does not take command line arguments. and -ao alsa turns *on* alsa output, not off

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iamlindoro:

(in mplayer)

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brownslug4:

oh

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brownslug4:

well, if i dont use that then the file wont play

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brownslug4:

so is there anything i can do without a sound card right now

[03:51:02]

brownslug4:

besides using mplayer

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brownslug4:

and resizing it

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iamlindoro:

dunno, never did anything silly like running myth without a sound card before

[03:51:43]

iamlindoro:

How much is a sound card, $5?

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brownslug4:

prolly

[03:52:50]

J-e-f-f-A:

you can even pick up a cheap usb sound card at Micro Center for $12.99... ;-)

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Lexridge:

Someone please tell me why this idea would not work: Using three separate 2.4ghz wireless a/v transmitter on different sub-channels, would it not be possible to send HD component in this manner to three receivers?

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: compiling trunk now... ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: It's alot slower to compile on an Athlon 64 2800 than a 64 X2 4800... jeeze, like 5x as long...

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FunkyELF:

hey guys, I must have added a wrong lineup, for some reason I have all these digital cable channels listed and it takes forever to scroll through mythweb or even mythfrontend's listings. From what tables do I need to delete rows?

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GreyFoxx:

ahahha I would say something went a little wrong here :) http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/pics/crazy.png

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J-e-f-f-A:

GreyFoxx: ya think? ;-) Holy bleep !

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iamlindoro:

Looks fine

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iamlindoro:

You use SalvadorDali-wide too?

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JeffH:

Anyone know where I can find a good roundup on LCD tvs?

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Anduin:

FunkyELF: You can edit the lineup and update, but videosource/channel/program are the main ones

[05:24:44]

Raspberry:

I've got a funny problem... over the last two weeks new mythfrontend processes just start at random

[05:25:03]

Raspberry:

so when I'm playing any content it double (or triples like tonight) the sound of the program

[05:25:09]

Raspberry:

plus is really bogs down my poor machine

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Anduin:

Raspberry: mythfrontend doesn't start itself

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Raspberry:

if I "nicely" exit out of the front end (by ESC back to the "Are you sure you want to quit?" prompt and choosing YES until there is only 1 frontend running) — more front ends just come back hours later

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Raspberry:

Anduin: well it is

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iamlindoro:

Anduin, In the list view in MythVideo, do you think things should populate all the way across the way they do? ie I have Television->Battlestar Galactica->A bunch of episodes because they're all the first things in their respective lists

[05:26:46]

Raspberry:

Anduin: I can leave the box on overnight and in the morning I'll have multiple frontends... if I restart the box... it starts with two front ends

[05:26:48]

Anduin:

Raspberry: how are you running it? is what you run really mythfrontend or some helpful but wrong script?

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** iamlindoro suspects monit/pcsk **

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Raspberry:

I'm running it as an auto-login user based on the mythtv-frontend package provided by ubuntu w/o any modifications

[05:27:33]

Raspberry:

I use the Control Centre to make any changes

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Raspberry:

:)

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Anduin:

iamlindoro: It always has, I have no attachment to that though (I only use list view to test)

[05:28:10]

Raspberry:

it's the 8.10 dist updated from 8.04 which was updated from 7.10 --- but I dist upgraded months ago

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iamlindoro:

Anduin, Wonder if there's a way to get it to only populate next-lowest

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Raspberry:

this problem is new to the last two weeks — normally I would just tinker and figure it out, but I have a girlfriend who's pissed that she can't watch her TV shows without going though a whole mess of steps... unhappy girlfriend = unhappy Raspberry :P I can't do my dev work if she's tapping her foot outside my office door :D

[05:29:19]

Anduin:

iamlindoro: Yeah, I'm not actually sure about that, the new list control, well you hand it a tree and it builds the lists internally.

[05:29:23]

iamlindoro:

Well, if I am writing a theme I'm throwing overscan safe to the wind

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Raspberry:

what is the "official" way for the front-end to start... my follow up question will probably be and when did that change ;)

[05:30:18]

Anduin:

er that tree control

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Raspberry:

i'll be more than happy to dig through scripts

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Anduin:

Raspberry: there isn't one, "mythfrontend" at an xterm works

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iamlindoro:

Anduin, Yeah. Hmm, well, it's only a little nitpick

[05:31:13]

Anduin:

iamlindoro: I'm going to need to dig in there anyway, currently the remember position stuff doesn't actually work well there.

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Raspberry:

Anduin: but that doesn't help when you want a keyboardless tv center

[05:32:15]

Raspberry:

I noticed I started getting .dmrc errors after one of the last updates — which I fixed by correcting permissions... would there be anything funny with that? session = Mythbuntu seems to be the primary piece of content

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Anduin:

Raspberry: I don't Ubuntu but I'd look at what that session starts

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Raspberry:

Ah... I see there's a mythtv script in the .config/autostart

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Raspberry:

hmm where would I find what defines the sessions?

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Raspberry:

there's an autostart thing as well for mythbuntu under /etc/xdg/mythbuntu

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Raspberry:

I'll pulled the autostart out of the user .config/autostart — I'll see if the problem goes away

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venger:

when i run mythfilldatabase as an arbritrary user its using /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt right? i seen it say mythtv@localhost using password access denied. so i think i could grant all on mythconverg.* to 'mythtv'@'localhost' identitified by 'that password' — at this point

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venger:

just wanting to avoid using root and i also don't use mythtv account on the backend

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iamlindoro:

It's very hard to make list view suck less

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iamlindoro:

It also doesn't remove the grandchild node, yucky

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iamlindoro:

Ie you have lists 1, 2, 3, you scroll down to something without a child node and have.... 1, blankspace, 3 from before

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PMantis:

Hi everyone. I've ripped a few DVDs and they show fine and play from the frontends. However, I noticed that Myth ripped it to avi, which causes myth to shell out to mplayer. Any way to play avi's internally? Can I rip to mpg?

[06:13:35]

PMantis:

BTW, I chose "Excellent" quality

[06:13:56]

iamlindoro:

Yes, you can play pretty much any format mplayer can play with the internal player too

[06:14:13]

iamlindoro:

Utilties/Setup->Setup->Media Settings->Video Settings->File Types

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iamlindoro:

change the command for the AVI extension to "Internal" (without the quotes)

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erb:

published something on spygate to hopefully put it to rest http://bleacherreport.com/articles/98010-for- . . . ient-history

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** iamlindoro wonders why we care **

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erb:

depends

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PMantis:

iamlindoro: Thank you. Is this a "per frontend" setting?

[06:15:34]

erb:

if you don't watch football you might not ca

[06:15:34]

iamlindoro:

depends on whether this is a NE patriots chat channel?

[06:15:41]

iamlindoro:

Because, ya know, it's not.

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erb:

no shit?

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iamlindoro:

PMantis, yes

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iamlindoro:

It's also not a channel that allows profanity, btw

[06:16:03]

** PMantis wonders why it doesn't default to internal on install **

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iamlindoro:

PMantis, It does in trunk now, and will for released versions as of .22

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erb:

sorry for cursing

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PMantis:

iamlindoro: Cool. I chose to use Mythbuntu 8.10 for my first "dip" into Myth.

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** PMantis is excited about Myth so far... and looks forward to a day when he can contribute **

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iamlindoro:

PMantis, .22 will also detect many more extensions out of the box (in fact, most extensions that anyone uses today will be added by default) so won't need to add them manually either

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iamlindoro:

And they'll all play with Internal by default

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PMantis:

iamlindoro: Do you know of any reason why one might WANT to use an extenal player??

[06:18:34]

iamlindoro:

PMantis, In the old days, mplayer could eke out a bit more speed and did seeking better on certain files types. This is no longer the case

[06:19:25]

iamlindoro:

Some people just assume mplayer is going to be better with certain file types from out of date experience with myth. In most cases, it's quite the opposite.

[06:19:41]

iamlindoro:

Myth handles, for example, files from blu-ray disks *far* better than mplayer/etc.

[06:20:38]

sulx:

btw does internal player support external subtitles?

[06:20:44]

PMantis:

iamlindoro: To me, it seems like it's just an extra process, more memory overhead,etc... no to mention the inconsistency in the UI

[06:20:50]

iamlindoro:

sulx, yes

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PMantis:

iamlindoro: So I'm glad the internal player leaped ahead

[06:21:23]

iamlindoro:

PMantis, You have a pretty accurate perspective of things, then. It's exactly that. I for think the ability to use external players should be dropped ASAP

[06:21:34]

iamlindoro:

But people will throw absolute fits if that happens, so...

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PMantis:

iamlindoro: heh. The way I see it, if my wife and kids are to use this, it MUST present a consistent UI.. otherwise the "wife test" will beat it to death.

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iamlindoro:

Agreed

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PMantis:

iamlindoro: I just got through dropping all telcos in favor of asterisk and voip – I did that 2 years ago. heh

[06:24:36]

iamlindoro:

sulx, Name the .srt file with the name name.srt ie "My Movie.srt" and when you play it in internal, press "T"

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** PMantis takes a shortcut and looks at the SQL tables. **

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sulx:

iamlindoro: Ok thanks, I just tried with same file name

[06:26:02]

PMantis:

Hmmm, 'videotypes'. :-)

[06:26:51]

iamlindoro:

sulx, So if you have "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.avi" you would put in "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.srt" in the same dir

[06:27:04]

PMantis:

lol

[06:27:33]

PMantis:

We just watched that the other night on Myth... really has the wife looking at this with hope.

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PMantis:

One other thing for now... is there a description somewhere of capture cards, inputs, groups, etc and how the all relate? With examples?

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** PMantis is trying to get a handle on how to put this together properly with his current scenario. 1 HDHR + 1 PCI card with DVD and V4L **

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PMantis:

One thing that I'm thinking about is if the card and the HDHR are on cable, the HDHR can't get analog, so the HDHR and DVB would be connected to one input, with a different lineup than the V4L side, which only sees analog. But, V4L and DVB can't be accessed at the same time, so they'd be in the same input group. Do I have this right? It still seems fuzzy for some reason.

[06:38:06]

iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/MVplay3.png

[06:38:13]

iamlindoro:

There, that makes list view a bit more tolerable

[06:38:47]

PMantis:

Damn, that's slick looking

[06:39:21]

iamlindoro:

I'm still more partial to http://www.fecitfacta.com/MVplay2.png

[06:40:01]

PMantis:

Both nice

[06:40:23]

PMantis:

but for browsing, #2 looks easier to navigate.

[06:41:05]

iamlindoro:

IT's not an either/or, myth contains list, browse, and gallery modes, all need to be themed

[06:41:15]

iamlindoro:

3 is list mode, 2 is gallery mode

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iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/MythUIBling5.png

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iamlindoro:

That's my browse mode

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PMantis:

Yeah, saw that with 'M'enu... pretty cool

[06:41:43]

iamlindoro:

Or, at least, it'll be something like that

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Anduin:

with automatic poster generation 2 wouldn't be so bad

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PMantis:

But who has time to do all the graphics for each movie?

[06:42:42]

Anduin:

PMantis: crazy people, they do it though

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iamlindoro:

PMantis, Plenty of people, apparently

[06:42:51]

PMantis:

heh

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iamlindoro:

Anduin, I prefer the gallery mode

[06:43:06]

iamlindoro:

I don't care for list mode at all, but it must be done

[06:43:38]

PMantis:

Did anyone see my big note above, or did I trigger a flood alarm of some kind?

[06:43:52]

iamlindoro:

A few more screens and I can say I honestly themed a plugin, then I'll be stuck doing the rest

[06:45:30]

iamlindoro:

PMantis, Input groups are for multiple cards sharing one source, like a STB

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Anduin:

PMantis: probably about right, where input = source

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PMantis:

STB?

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iamlindoro:

Set Top Box

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PMantis:

Ahhhhhh

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PMantis:

So, how does Myth know that my HD5500 can't tune to analog and digital at the same time?

[06:48:24]

PMantis:

That's setup as two separate cards... DVB and V4L

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** PMantis found out after buying it that there was no hardware encoder – so needs to be replaced, but conceptually, needs to be understood. **

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iamlindoro:

It's easier to drop analog altogether than you think

[06:50:11]

iamlindoro:

or, at least, to move the the current technologoy, namely, the HD-PVR

[06:50:16]

iamlindoro:

er technology

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iamlindoro:

It's the only analog device in my house

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iamlindoro:

s/device/capture device/

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PMantis:

Isn't that a component input box for interfacing with STB's?

[06:51:11]

iamlindoro:

The HD-5500 is a *nice* card, I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater

[06:51:15]

iamlindoro:

PMantis, yes

[06:52:24]

PMantis:

I don't like the idea of a provider's box, then a conversion box then myth... trying to do it all with my own equipment, if I can.

[06:53:12]

PMantis:

I know... no showtime, HBO... usually encrypted.. don't care.

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iamlindoro:

What are you capturing with analog if you don't have a provider's box?

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PMantis:

iamlindoro: The standard cable channels

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PMantis:

Mostly local stations

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iamlindoro:

I advise getting an inexpensive second hand PVR-150 and adding it alongside the HD-5500 rather than replacing them with, say, an HVR-1600

[06:54:21]

iamlindoro:

were sphery here he would advise you to go all OTA, and he'd likely be right about it

[06:54:36]

iamlindoro:

as that's better quality by a substantial margin than you can get on the locals from cable providers

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Anduin:

if you are lucky enough to live in the right area

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iamlindoro:

Indeedly doo

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** iamlindoro looks up at the hill he lives on and shakes his fist **

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poodyp:

50% of the stuff I watch isn't broadcast so OTA is mostly a no-go for me

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iamlindoro:

Nothing wrong with using your digital card for the OTA stuff and a nice cheap PVR-150 to pick up the remained from cable

[06:56:52]

iamlindoro:

But if your choices for the locals are cable or OTA, OTA > cable

[06:57:07]

iamlindoro:

s/remained/remainder/

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PMantis:

Heh, I do get pretty good reception with OTA and the HDHR. 10 stations here with a coathanger/cardboard/aluminum foil antenna. :-D

[06:57:50]

poodyp:

sorry meant for HD

[06:59:12]

** PMantis remembers a day when cable > OTA by a long shot **

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poodyp:

hehe

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poodyp:

digital = purdy

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PMantis:

Oh it's awesome

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PMantis:

unless the signal is low... then no snow – just breaks apart.

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PMantis:

iamlindoro: So, you recommend the PVR-150's? Any advantage the 350 would have or vice versa?

[07:02:01]

iamlindoro:

350 is older technology. There are still folks around who make the "Oooh, it's got TV out!" argument, but that's more or less moot these days. The 150 is IMO the card to go with

[07:02:03]

PMantis:

An HVR-1600 is only $79 on NewEGG

[07:02:27]

iamlindoro:

The HVR-1600s can work, and if you're adventurous, go for it, but it's just starting to emerge from some driver issues its had in the past

[07:02:56]

PMantis:

Heh, TV out is moot with DVD-->HDMI now.

[07:03:06]

PMantis:

s/DVD/DVI

[07:03:33]

iamlindoro:

Yep, you can do much better with a $30 GPU these days than the 350 ever could

[07:03:42]

** poodyp wishes 2250s worked in linux **

[07:03:51]

iamlindoro:

and the $30 GPU, if you pick the right one, will shortly give you full decode offload of high def material

[07:03:58]

PMantis:

iamlindoro: I know a newbie in my local LUG that uses the HVR-1600, so it can't be that bad.

[07:04:12]

iamlindoro:

poodyp, They will someday, but stoth has put it on the shelf for now. Sometime this year probably

[07:04:23]

poodyp:

yeah

[07:04:27]

poodyp:

I'm patient

[07:04:35]

iamlindoro:

PMantis, Not sure how that proves anything over my extensive experience with it, but ok

[07:04:38]

PMantis:

Awesome, since the year only have 22 hour left, Whooohooo

[07:04:47]

iamlindoro:

"this coming year"

[07:04:48]

phix_:

mythtv music plugin is shit, who wants to help me write a new one?

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[07:05:17]

iamlindoro:

phix_, a) watch the language, b) pretty respectful of the author, eh? c) Why not just fix the one that's there?

[07:05:42]

iamlindoro:

Why don't we see how well you can do to start before deciding to "help"

[07:05:52]

PMantis:

iamlindoro: I was just stating that I have someone local to compare notes with if need be. I'm not challenging anyone!

[07:06:07]

iamlindoro:

As most people who recruit before writing a line of code end up with... well, let's just say we don't have any plugins by those people.

[07:06:14]

phix:

iamlindoro: <3

[07:06:46]

phix:

iamlindoro: is this a christain channel?

[07:07:02]

iamlindoro:

It's a family-friendly channel. Don't think that the profanity rule isn't enforced.

[07:07:10]

iamlindoro:

It's enforced on devs, it'll certainly be enforce on you.

[07:07:17]

iamlindoro:

s/enforce/enforced/

[07:07:21]

ruskie:

:)

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** PMantis thinks it should be family friendly **

[07:08:38]

PMantis:

Not that I'm a stakeholder in the channel or anything. lol

[07:08:44]

CCFL_Man:

pbs hd looks beautiful

[07:11:17]

Anduin:

I bet those sycamore fig trees have sold more than a few on an upgrade

[07:11:34]

PMantis:

Well, I appreciate the help from everyone... I'm sure I'll be back as I trek forward.

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iamlindoro:

Anduin, Are you going to add the backdrop download to the tmdb grabber while you're at it (adding the new videometadata field)

[07:16:59]

Anduin:

iamlindoro: Yes

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iamlindoro:

cool beans

[07:17:28]

iamlindoro:

so much new metadata, so little time

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Anduin:

though I wish people would stop contributing perl scripts

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iamlindoro:

With the amount of C++ I've learned in the last few months I regret a lot of things I wrote as bash scripts

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iamlindoro:

Trying to get some inspiration to theme the EPG, but man, there just isn't a nice looking EPG out there, period.

[08:04:32]

poodyp:

I'm partial to TitanTV's listings

[08:05:24]

iamlindoro:

Erm... you think Myth's EPG should look like *this*? http://blog.seanalexander.com/content/binary/ . . . .325x244.jpg

[08:06:11]

poodyp:

no idea what that is

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poodyp:

looks really old

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poodyp:

http://titantv.com/ttv/Grid/grid.aspx

[08:06:45]

iamlindoro:

That's just a web interface, has nothing to do with Myth's frontend EPG

[08:07:08]

iamlindoro:

(And Mythweb's look better than that, for that matter)

[08:10:06]

poodyp:

well if myth's EPG looked like that I'd be happy

[08:10:33]

poodyp:

and personally I think mythweb's listings are too tall

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Gumby:

does the backend automagically make itself the mysql server if it is set to another machine and cant connect?

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iamlindoro:

No.

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Gumby:

my mysql server was down for a bit and judging by the mythbackend logs, mythbackend makes itself the mysql server when it cant connect. hrmm.. I'll pastebin what I see

[08:14:28]

iamlindoro:

No, it does not.

[08:14:42]

iamlindoro:

Promise.

[08:15:00]

Gumby:

http://pastebin.ca/1296993

[08:15:16]

Gumby:

what might have went wrong here then?

[08:15:23]

iamlindoro:

Yeah. that's myth not being able to connect to the DB. so?

[08:15:36]

Gumby:

the DB was never set to localhost

[08:15:50]

Gumby:

and now the DB server is back up, but mythbackend is still trying to connect to localhost

[08:16:25]

iamlindoro:

Then you've broken something else, myth won't change setting on you unless *you* change them

[08:16:46]

Gumby:

I've changed nothing. I havnt touched the mythbox other than rebooting it

[08:16:54]

Gumby:

strange

[08:17:09]

iamlindoro:

Most likely by pressing "enter" through the frontend when it fails to come up and thus accepting the default settings it presents you with

[08:17:25]

iamlindoro:

Well I promise you myth has no code to change around your settings, and it didn't become self aware recently

[08:17:25]

Gumby:

I dont use that machine as a frontend

[08:17:42]

Gumby:

its a master backend only. doesnt even have an active tuner it it

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iamlindoro:

Those settings will *only* change through human intervention

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Gumby:

then either I blacked out for awhile or someone has been messing around with my backend

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xris:

poodyp: mythweb errs on the side of "enough information to be useful" vs "fits on one screen"

[08:18:44]

Gumby:

what is this part about? [console is not interactive, using default 'mythconverg']

[08:19:43]

iamlindoro:

Gumby, It attempts sensible defaults if the DB is down. It does *not* reset the settings, however, those are in your mysql.txt and can ONLY BE CHANGED THROUGH HUMAN INTERVENTION

[08:19:59]

Gumby:

iamlindoro: /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt had "DBHostName=" in it without any IP or hostname

[08:20:18]

iamlindoro:

So once again, you/someone/ghosts/fairies broke it

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Gumby:

is it possible for me to have set it up without editing that file?

[08:20:47]

Gumby:

and then upon reboot it only knew to read that file

[08:21:07]

** iamlindoro rolls his eyes, goes back to TV **

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Gumby:

ubuntu does ask for the db server IP on install when using dpkg

[08:21:33]

Gumby:

obviously it doesnt write it to the mysql.txt

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C-P:

So, is there an issue with mythstream not playing AAC encoded streams?

[08:24:05]

iamlindoro:

There's likely all sorts of issues with mythstream, that's why it's not an official plugin

[08:24:20]

C-P:

ah

[08:24:24]

iamlindoro:

All it does is pass stuff to mplayer, so if I had to guess your mplayer is what's not able to play the streams

[08:24:51]

C-P:

well, I was able to play the stream directly through mplayer on the box

[08:24:59]

C-P:

so, I know it plays it

[08:25:05]

iamlindoro:

I'd contact the author for help

[08:25:15]

C-P:

sounds like a plan

[08:25:26]

** xris wishes someone would rewrite mythmusic/mythvideo to support *casts. **

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portablejim:

I can only get at two channels with my Pinnacle 310i. It is a analog and digital tuner card (PCI). Our analog TV can pick up channels fine.

[08:30:13]

iamlindoro:

portablejim, Is that having scanned with the DVB side of the card, or the v4l side?

[08:30:50]

iamlindoro:

It's entirely possible you only get a couple channels on the digital (DVB) side. The analog side of the card should get most/all of the channels your analog TV gets.

[08:56:13]

C-P:

well, in the mean time, anyone else use mythstream and had problems with AAC streams?

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rojo:

anything special needed to tune digital cable radio channels? My channel scanner detects a bunch of channels from 73#1 to 73#50, each of which freezes mythtv for a few moments then results in "Error was encountered while displaying video. Return to menu."

[09:03:57]

rojo:

I have a pcHDTV 5500 tuner card fwiw

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gbee:

xris: casts?

[09:28:11]

justinh:

webcasts, podcasts, presumably

[09:28:36]

iamlindoro:

I have no idea how you guys use inkscape, this thing is a beast

[09:28:44]

justinh:

click & draw!

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gbee:

ah, couldn't see what he meant there at all ;)

[09:29:02]

justinh:

easier than Adobe PhotoShite

[09:29:28]

iamlindoro:

At least I understand Photoshop/Illustrator/et al

[09:29:35]

iamlindoro:

Obviously the fault is with me but it's making my head hurt

[09:29:58]

justinh:

nobody is gonna want .ai source files

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iamlindoro:

Luckily I don't care what anyone wants

[09:30:30]

justinh:

more to the point, no themer is likely to legally *own* a copy of AI ;-)

[09:31:02]

gbee:

iamlindoro: it's different to most bitmap drawing apps, but once it clicks IMHO it's easier

[09:31:16]

justinh:

took me a while to click with inkscape

[09:31:59]

iamlindoro:

It also *refuses* to scale down vertically from what it's decided is the minimum resolution it will allow

[09:32:15]

iamlindoro:

So I assume there is a status bar that shows your pointer's coordinates, but I can't see it

[09:32:18]

justinh:

I still find it frustrating sometimes, especially when resizing stuff

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gbee:

guess it all depends what level of artistic talent you have, Inkscape allows me to create stuff well beyond my skill level since it's all about combining and editing shapes rather than freehand drawing

[09:33:18]

gbee:

which version are you using iamlindoro?

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justinh:

heh yeah the version you use has a BIG bearing on ease of use

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iamlindoro:

0.46 apparently

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gbee:

k, same as here

[09:33:56]

iamlindoro:

I just dragged one of the top menus off the board and lo and behold, all the info I've been seeking

[09:34:15]

gbee:

coordinates appear at the right of the bottom 'status' bar

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iamlindoro:

Had to actually pull the fil/open/save menus out to get it to resize 20 more pixels, though

[09:34:29]

iamlindoro:

1366x768 is not *that* low a resolution after all

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iamlindoro:

I should be able to fit the freaking thing in it

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justinh:

CTRL+scrollwheel :)

[09:35:06]

iamlindoro:

justinh, That doesn't help me seeing the window borders

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gbee:

SHIFT+scrollwheel

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iamlindoro:

when inkscape has placed them 20 pixels below the bottom of my monitor

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gbee:

odd

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justinh:

ahh you're using it on linux

[09:35:52]

justinh:

probably a GTK snafu

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gbee:

well so am I, but I've never had that happy

[09:35:58]

gbee:

happy? happen

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iamlindoro:

Anyway, found them now, just have to drag the file/open/save bits back in to use them when I want to, lovely

[09:36:18]

iamlindoro:

I'm sure it'll make sense eventually if I force myself to use it

[09:36:24]

justinh:

it has a nasty habit of leaving panes on secondary displays too

[09:36:38]

iamlindoro:

I'm right to say the EPG in upcoming recordings is not mythui'd yet, right?

[09:36:45]

justinh:

yup

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iamlindoro:

k. Whew.

[09:37:05]

justinh:

well not committed anyway, can't speak for what gbee has waiting in the wings ;-)

[09:37:45]

iamlindoro:

Had some big EPG plans starting to formulate that went to pieces when I looked the current state of things and thought that was all there was

[09:37:55]

gbee:

right now I'm still not sure how to do that, might need a special widget but I'd rather find a way to do with with lists within lists or something

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justinh:

a couple of different views could work well in the EPG

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portablejim:

iamlindoro, I scanned both. The DVB side pick up 2 channels, the v4l side picks up some, but they do not work.

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gbee:

http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/mimic4.png

[09:50:23]

gbee:

becoming way too attached to that look

[09:51:52]

iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/MVplay3.png http://www.fecitfacta.com/MVplay2.png

[09:51:58]

iamlindoro:

Was goofing a bit with the other views tonight

[09:52:10]

justinh:

the thing is, that look was possible with the old ui libs

[09:52:10]

iamlindoro:

I hate that list view's grandchild node just sits there

[09:52:50]

gbee:

http://pastebin.mandriva.com/5461

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gbee:

justinh: largely yes, aside from the clock and the image reflection which I'll grant doesn't actually appear in the screenshot

[09:54:49]

stuarta:

gbee: that does look _really_ cool

[09:55:01]

gbee:

inspired by the original screen though I'm just adding a case option to textarea

[09:55:21]

justinh:

ooh

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stuarta:

has anyone thought about a function "move recording to mythvideo"

[09:55:30]

gbee:

Upper,Lower,UpperWithLower

[09:56:07]

justinh:

stuarta: yes

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stuarta:

as an interim until we merge the two

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gbee:

stuarta: in case you missed the discussion yesterday, that's not my design, it's a rip-off of an XBMC theme just to prove something about mythui

[09:56:35]

stuarta:

anyone got past thinking about it? :)

[09:56:45]

justinh:

stuarta: then I realised it'd need magic in mythbackend

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stuarta:

gbee: yeah, i saw the hideous scrollback

[09:56:53]

gbee:

iamlindoro's new and original theme actually demos some far more interesting stuff

[09:58:29]

gbee:

iamlindoro: you do know that you can theme the tree widget? You might, but I'm not sure everyone understands that

[09:58:56]

iamlindoro:

gbee, I do, I'm just inheriting it from default's base.xml right now and being lazy

[09:59:03]

gbee:

k

[09:59:06]

iamlindoro:

thanks :)

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iamlindoro:

The appearance of the grandchild node is a bug, though, right?

[10:00:55]

gbee:

umm, yeah, you mean on the right hand side?

[10:01:09]

gbee:

it shouldn't be visible

[10:01:33]

iamlindoro:

yeah

[10:01:41]

gbee:

does that happen with the default theme?

[10:02:10]

iamlindoro:

yep

[10:02:31]

gbee:

qt or gl painter?

[10:02:44]

iamlindoro:

QL

[10:02:48]

iamlindoro:

hahaha

[10:02:48]

iamlindoro:

GL

[10:02:58]

iamlindoro:

but it'd be QL if Qt and GL got married

[10:03:18]

gbee:

odd, can't reproduce but I'll try and fix it anyway

[10:03:34]

justinh:

the QL painter... uses 8-bit graphics :)

[10:03:38]

iamlindoro:

If it helps I can give you the XML, although it's nothing special

[10:05:21]

iamlindoro:

So... is a "free transform" option too much to hope for in inkscape, or am I just missing it entirely?

[10:06:00]

justinh:

you can click & drag to do that, or you can apply it via a menu by a determined amount

[10:07:15]

justinh:

click on the object with the arrow selector tool, then click on it again

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gbee:

clicking twice on an object with the 'pointer' tool gives you rotation and shear options

[10:07:45]

justinh:

or use Object -> transform

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, I see all that stuff... hmm, well thanks

[10:09:03]

gbee:

shape math is pretty useful, you might want to look into that eventually

[10:09:04]

iamlindoro:

Ah, the push tweak is what I wanted

[10:11:01]

iamlindoro:

Well.. maybe not

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gbee:

iamlindoro: I'd use the same frame around the poster in the list view that you do in the gallery (or is that browse) view

[10:11:26]

iamlindoro:

I'd like to pinch a box long two lines, think hourglass shaped

[10:12:05]

iamlindoro:

gbee, Good idea. It's mostly random screwing around right now, maybe I'll come up with a "approach" at some point

[10:12:23]

gbee:

you can do that with node editing and there may be a better way, but I'm not familiar with it right now

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C-P:

after a good bit of research, I found out I had spelled the stream hostname wrong, figures :P

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gbee:

iamlindoro_: Draw your rect; Path > Object to Path; click on the node tool (below the arrow selector tool); shift click the two nodes at either end of each long line and select 'Insert node' from the node bar (extreme left)

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gbee:

repeat for the other side of the rectangle

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iamlindoro:

gbee, Heh, just got done with that one :)

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iamlindoro:

Thanks

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gbee:

ahh

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justinh:

see, it's not that hard :)

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, it'll be a bit before I can do anything worthwhile, but I'll get there

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gbee:

optionally you can create a square/elipse etc and cut out the shape you want from the rectangle with difference/intersection etc

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_julian:

hi

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_julian:

do you guys see framedrops with vdpau on hd when activating temporal_spatial or temporal deinterlacing?

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jduggan:

i see amd have up'd the anti with respect to their linux drivers

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gbee:

_julian: no

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_julian:

gbee: not even with lowend cards like 8400 series? – or 9300 onboard?

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_julian:

gbee: we do see heavy frame-dropping with xine...

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gbee:

not even with my 8200

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_julian:

hmm, that's weird

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gbee:

HD h.264, mpeg2 or VC1?

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quicksilver:

jduggan: ?

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_julian:

gbee: we see it for example with h264 hd on Astra HD. or Discovery HD

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jduggan:

quicksilver: see slashdot.org

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_julian:

gbee: we did not implement VC-1 yet (we're doing the decoders from scratch, not using ffmpeg)

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gbee:

oof

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_julian:

gbee: was a lot of work, but gives us a sleeak codebase for vdpau... mpeg12 is fully supported. h264 almost fully.

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_julian:

only minor glitches left there

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quicksilver:

jduggan: ah, nod. Yes, I follow the developers in #radeon. It's promising stuff but there is plenty left to do :)

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gbee:

odd, just tried h.264 for the first time since upgrading to 180.18 and none of it works ...

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_julian:

gbee: no playback at all?

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_julian:

.16 worked?

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gbee:

almost certainly a build error of some sort

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_julian:

gbee: feel free to give xine-vdpau a test,too (c:

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gbee:

heh, sorry but I've got enough to occupy my time right now

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_julian:

heh, np

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_julian:

still would be interesting to know if you don't see any drops with .18 on full hd interlaced material

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_julian:

gbee: do you actually do frame doubling when deinterlacing? (50i -> 50p) -or do you skip top or bottom fiels

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gbee:

we support both

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_julian:

in both cases no frame drops though?

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gbee:

if you want more detail you really need to speak to the two devs who have done most of the work, both can be found in #mythtv

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_julian:

gbee: who are they?

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gbee:

_julian: I was going to confirm there was no frame drop with 2x temporal but due to the problem I mentioned before I can't

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gbee:

danielk and mark_k_

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_julian:

maybe some other user who has vdpau running with mythtv?

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sid3windr:

viddy pow

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gbee:

iamlindoro, justinh: http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/mimic5.png spacing is now supported with reflections, with the exception of the imaginary blur I think that it's now equal to the original in terms of effects used

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justinh:

wooo nice!

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justinh:

poster looks a shade stretched though

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iamlindoro__:

gbee: sweet

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iamlindoro__:

I think it's fair to say you've proven your point :)

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iamlindoro__:

Now svn up your PBB changes as I've started work on that :)

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iamlindoro__:

god, what is wrong with my intenet connection *everywhere*

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gbee:

justinh: I just matched up the size in the original image, it's not using preserveaspect so it will stretch

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iamlindoro__:

Ah, I see, they've changed my IP address on me again. Comcast's fault.

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gbee:

not really interested in scaling the frame to the right aspect, it's close enough

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gbee:

actually, it _IS_ the right aspect, but my monitor aspect is 16:10 so that's the reason for the slight stretching of all the images

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iamlindoro__:

Gah, just sent e-mail to my boss from an e-mail address I'd rather he NOT know

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iamlindoro__:

And no, it's not LuvzRickyMartin2001@aol.com , that one expired

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justinh:

mybosssucksdonkeys@aol.com ?

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iamlindoro__:

haha

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** iamlindoro__ wonders if inkscape can take a gaggle of selected objects and space them equidistantly **

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iamlindoro__:

Doing all these PBB icons is simultaneously fun and irritating

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justinh:

yes you can do that

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iamlindoro__:

That's what I like to hear

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justinh:

select em all, then use object – > align/distribute (CTRL A) brings up the panel for it

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iamlindoro__:

Ooooohhhh

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iamlindoro__:

Thanks

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justinh:

or just edit the XML :-P

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iamlindoro__:

When they all have slightly differing center planes I'd trust Inkscape to be smarter at it

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iamlindoro__:

Hehe, Microsoft apparently fouled up the firmware on Zunes so they are confused by the 366 day year, and all of the 30 GB ones went tits up today

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gbee:

inkspace has a whole bunch of alignment/spacing options

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gbee:

what is it with MS and calendars? historically they never get it right ...

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iamlindoro:

Am playing with something like this as a "dashboard" on the PBB screen, where everything is greyed out and activates rather than random icons just floating: http://www.fecitfacta.com/MythUIPBB.png

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gbee:

nice

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test1:

hi,

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test1:

please, my grab is wrong, how can i delete it ? (tv_grab_fr)

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test1:

which file am i supposed to delete?

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sphery:

test1: you need to go into mythtv-setup and configure the grabber in the Video Sources section

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iamlindoro:

http://www.stat.columbia.edu/~cook/movabletyp . . . swalmar.html

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test1:

ok ty sphery

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test1:

actually it is configured, but the programation have 24hours back ..

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sphery:

so when you say it "is wrong," what specifically is wrong?

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sphery:

Are you saying the grabber itself (the script tv_grab_fr) gives bad data?

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wolfspirit:

why would mythtv status report "Total space is __drive_total_total__ MB, with __drive_total_used__ MB used (unknown)" ?

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gbee:

iamlindoro: interesting, so if you start seeing more Starbucks appearing on local streets, expect a Democrat to win the next election in that state?

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iamlindoro:

gbee, So it would appear. My buddy and I were chatting about whether the ipod to zune map would look similar

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gbee:

test1: what day is it?

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test1:

sphery: actually i dont know..

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test1:

gbee 31 /12 17h39

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gbee:

well aside from being to minutes fast, that's correct

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gbee:

so much for that theory

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gbee:

s/to/two/

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gbee:

test1: you might want to consider running ntpd though

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test1:

sphery: i have in grab (programation) for tonight ... what i have seen yesterday on tv ..

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gbee:

unless the French are just being contrary as usual and like to be two minutes ahead of the rest of the world ...

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test1:

must b the grab which isnt well done ..

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test1:

gbee :)

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test1:

im not in venezuela ;)

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test1:

(chavez changed time of +30min ..)

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iamlindoro:

viva la revolucion!

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iamlindoro:

Now we're 30 minutes ahead of you, suckas!

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test1:

que loco este..

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iamlindoro:

Anyone know the unicode codes offhand for the matching quotation marks?

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sphery:

test1: you could try deleting all video sources ( http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 ) and reconfiguring, which would delete all listings so you could see if it was a previous misconfiguration that you've since corrected (don't worry about deleting capture cards)

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iamlindoro:

201C and 201d, for reference

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** iamlindoro wonder what the point of two subtitles icons is, and if the text on one of them should be changed to "assistive listening" or something **

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sphery:

or "audio described" (I think that's the words XMLTV uses.)

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iamlindoro:

Makes sense

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wolfspirit:

getting "Unable to find any value for drive_total_total while looking at Total Disk Space" from mythtv-status.. anyone see this before?

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sphery:

what do you mean by mythtv-status? The backend status page?

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gbee:

three different types of subtitles – subtitles on a foreign film, subtitles which include descriptions of noises in addition to the words and subtitles which just display what the characters are saying

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test1:

ok ty all ..gonna try that

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test1:

sphery: :)

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test1:

iamlindoro: :)

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wolfspirit:

sphery: the perl script mythtv-status

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test1:

bie

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sphery:

no idea, then

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iamlindoro:

bye test1

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sphery:

I guess it worked for test1

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gbee:

not something official then

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iamlindoro:

Think they include it by default as the MOTD in mythbuntu

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iamlindoro:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Assist . . . ing_icon.svg

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iamlindoro:

Heh

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iamlindoro:

That would be helpful if it weren't profoundly ugly

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wolfspirit:

iamlindoro: I was thinking that it probably wasn't an official mythtv project but wasn't sure so I still asked.. it worked before my drive hit 100% but now it doesn't even though I've cleaned up a lot of space

[16:59:27]

dustybin:

this will be my new year party tonight: http://www.cracked.com/video_16899_saddest-ne . . . ty-ever.html

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wolfspirit:

funny

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sphery:

wolfspirit: you might want to ask on the list. The guy who wrote it seems to be pretty good at responding.

[17:02:50]

sphery:

(that would be the -users list)

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wolfspirit:

at least it won't have 10 kids... my sister in laws are bringing their kids to the party tonight and I have 4 of my own...

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shadash:

I'm going to a house party up in Santa Barbara with 100 other people

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shadash:

should be fun. No kids

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shadash:

prob a bunch of drugged out trust fund hippies

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justinh:

like drugged out people are always so fun to be around, man

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justinh:

iamlindoro: y'know there are people on the mailinglists who'll go apecrap when they see the double 'D' trademark

[17:32:00]

justinh:

why else would it not have been used before? ;)

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iamlindoro:

justinh, Guess it'll never be "official" then ;)

[17:34:04]

iamlindoro:

I am getting progressively more halfassed as I get to the last couple icons

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justinh:

they look nice though

[17:34:41]

iamlindoro:

Some of the abstract concepts are *hard* to simplify well, though... "commflag in progress," anyone?

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iamlindoro:

justinh, Thanks, means a lot coming from you

[17:35:08]

justinh:

crossed out aliased dollarsign in shocking yellow?

[17:35:20]

justinh:

at about 10DPI ?

[17:35:27]

justinh:

oh wait that's what's currently used :P

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iamlindoro:

Oooh, perfect! ;)

[17:35:49]

justinh:

hmmm

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justinh:

dollarsign inside an egg-timer?

[17:36:36]

justinh:

it's always the abstract stuff which is hard to draw

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iamlindoro:

Flag on a clock, maybe

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justinh:

btw I can see now why you had issues zooming about

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J-e-f-f-A:

or an animated one – a dollar sign with an "X" being drawn over it...

[17:39:13]

iamlindoro:

Nothing says classy like flipbook animation

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justinh:

or, a dollar sign with a rotating thingy around it

[17:40:08]

justinh:

actually this is where animated images start to make sense

[17:40:22]

justinh:

moving stuff automagically infers in progress

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justinh:

static images mean er... nothing doin ;)

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iamlindoro:

I just don't want to ruin the consistency of the rest of the dash by making *one* icon animated

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justinh:

yeah but...

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justinh:

actually maybe use alphapulse again for the 'in progress' stuff

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iamlindoro:

yeah, much nicer

[17:41:44]

justinh:

that'd say the same thing

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justinh:

much less work too :D

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iamlindoro:

(IMHO)

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gbee:

magnifying glass in some way infering inspection of the recording for adverts

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SHADOW__X:

hello everybody

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gbee:

never thought "flagging" as a description was family friendly, so that rules out the flag imagery

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gbee:

then you have to think about alternative language e.g. Commercial Detection, Commercial Removal

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justinh:

flagging not family friendly?

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justinh:

flagellation.. I could see that not being family friendly...

[17:45:06]

gbee:

justinh: just that it doesn't immediately convey what is being done

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gbee:

it's not instantly understandable

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justinh:

like umm.. video sources? ;-)

[17:45:28]

gbee:

aye

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laga:

justinh: we should rename that

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iamlindoro:

Luckily I haven't got a family, I get to fart and burp and call it flagging all I want

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gbee:

we should, just do it already

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justinh:

wish I was going out to get drunk tonight

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justinh:

but it's sub zero & it'll be a git to get a cab home

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shadash:

get drink right now. Call it a pre-emptive strike on New Years

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justinh:

I have wine & JD stocked up ready for later

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gbee:

we've created a term in commflag/commflagging but I think we tend to forget than it's not a real word and isn't something that your 80 year old grandad would recognise

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iamlindoro:

Neither is "1080p"

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iamlindoro:

Or Dolby or, in the case of my grandfather, HDTV

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justinh:

iamlindoro: how about 'crap', 'less crap', 'ok' and 'excellent' instead?

[17:48:42]

iamlindoro:

That's about how I'd explain it

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iamlindoro:

Were it not for the cataracts

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iamlindoro:

Blurry, still blurry, and less more blurry?

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gbee:

I'd resist using the $ in my own themes for the same reason, yes you are depriving broadcasters of money (in theory but not really), but no-one sees a crossed out $ and goes "oh, it must be removing commercials"

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gbee:

iamlindoro: but those are all things that appear on the front of DVD/Bluray cases and the surrounds of new TVs etc

[17:50:35]

iamlindoro:

gbee, I just don't feel strongly enough on the issue to kill myself drawing another icon

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gbee:

in other words they are logos that people can match up against other hardware or media, in a way they don't need to know what it means

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: How about this, but with a "$" sign to start off with... ;-) http://www.gifanimations.com/GA/animation/ImageDisplay/1/16/0

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justinh:

gbee: yeah maybe more people see the crossed out $ as the 'torrent download in progress' icon :-P

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justinh:

hmm speaking of status icons

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justinh:

shoot me if you like but... might be cool to have 'general status' icons in places too

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J-e-f-f-A:

Or, maybe a static image of scissors cutting a dollar sign...

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justinh:

like 'low disk space' & stuff

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justinh:

defacing notes of the realm? that's treasonous in the UK J-e-f-f-A

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justinh:

anyway maybe it's time mythtv owned up to being an international project now ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: hehe... nah, just a pair of scissors cutting a $ — something like this: 8X$

[17:53:54]

justinh:

wow your icons rock!

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: or a pound sign for you... ;-)

[17:54:28]

J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: ascii art. ;-) There we go, how about a theme of just ascii art! ;-) (NOT!)

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justinh:

maybe I should stop listening. I remember it was something I read yesterday that made me get my nicks in a twist

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SHADOW__X:

while runing mythfrontend sometimes the menus become unresponsive while watching recordings or live tv for a random amount of time then comes back running irw even while this happens shows the button presses in realtime

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justinh:

SHADOW__X: is your HDD sleepy hmm?

[17:55:58]

gbee:

which menus?

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justinh:

the one where the recordings/database are?

[17:56:18]

gbee:

and have you upgraded to the latest fixes?

[17:56:40]

gbee:

in fact start with the answer to that question first

[17:56:46]

SHADOW__X:

i am running mythtv within mythbuntu repos

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SHADOW__X:

the osd menus

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justinh:

which repos? fiesty?

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gbee:

SHADOW__X: beat laga or superm1 into releasing a new package, the bug has already been fixed but the packages are pretty old

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laga:

meh

[17:57:33]

laga:

yeah

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gbee:

;)

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justinh:

I thought they were updated regularly

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SHADOW__X:

intrepid muythbuntu 8.10

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laga:

justinh: they are not right now. i'm too busy.

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SHADOW__X:

gbee: ah alright thanks good to know

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laga:

life being extremely exciting these days

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justinh:

ahh life. I had one once

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laga:

i recently got one

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laga:

it's pretty good

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justinh:

I need to move back to the north east next year if I can

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justinh:

give manchester the kiss off at last :)

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justinh:

hmm is it too early for port? nah

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shadash:

tactical we need one pre-emptive strike on port. Ay sir...

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justinh:

aaand one glass after another would be...

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justinh:

serial port

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justinh:

muhahahaha

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shadash:

actually that would be a parallel port

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laga:

no

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justinh:

and of course the speed of serial port is measured in ml/sec

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justinh:

blimmin nora this is ok stuff. especially considering the label. M&S. lol

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justinh:

anyway, why would anyone want to go out in the cold tonight, when we can have a NYE mythtv party? :)

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justinh:

though toasting the new year in every timezone could end up in much drunkenness

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laga:

justinh: http://s.naurunappula.com/0/244/425/459232.jpg

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justinh:

roflmao

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iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/toolbar.png

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iamlindoro:

That's enough of that for now, I think

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iamlindoro:

my creativity gland is burnt out

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justinh:

heh. time to have a drink & celebrate mastering inkscape as much as I have

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iamlindoro:

Now don't gloat, I'm doing my best

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justinh:

hey now they're good icons

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: lookin' good... ;-)

[18:22:04]

laga:

nice icons!

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justinh:

better than the majority of the frickin core theme icons

[18:22:17]

laga:

what does the "" mean?

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iamlindoro:

Subtitles

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laga:

ah

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justinh:

subtitles != closed captions != hard of hearing

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justinh:

who'da thunk it?

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justinh:

btw for autoexpire I much prefer skull & crossbones :)

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justinh:

much more.. evocative IMHO

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justinh:

a dustbin may aswell be saying it's in my wife's playback group

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iamlindoro:

I thought *that* was the international sign for bittorrent

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justinh:

ahh yes

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iamlindoro:

I like the segmentation... makes it much easier to understand what each "module" maens

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iamlindoro:

gives context

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: this is more what I was thinking of: http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/commflag.JPG (just hacked together in paintbrush...)

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: (since you didn't like my ASCII Art... ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: or... http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/commflag2.JPG

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justinh:

well, they'd look ok in GANT

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: hehe... not a 'finished' icon... just a 'proof-of-concept'... ;-)

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** J-e-f-f-A guesses he'll stick to the LCD programming for now... ;-) **

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justinh:

I reckon I will be scrubbing 'concept' & starting again anyway

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gbee:

eaten too much, queasy

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justinh:

ETOOMANYCHOCS?

[18:40:58]

gbee:

ETOOMUCHBURGERCHIPSANDCOKE

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gbee:

haven't even touched the xmas sweets today, don't think I will now

[18:42:20]

gbee:

I blame the coke, only drink the stuff at xmas

[18:42:47]

laga:

i went to mcdonald's today, and my stomach didn't like that

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justinh:

haha. here's an offer you can't refuse. go out tonight for a meal with my wife's friend, their kids & their paedophile (unproven) stepdad. NAH

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shadash:

Everyone Have a Safe and Fun New Years! :-)

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gbee:

can something be both safe and yet fun?

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justinh:

hmmm

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justinh:

the jury's still out on that one gbee

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justinh:

not 100% safe anyway :)

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** justinh wonders why olympic athletes are being knighted/whatever **

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** iamlindoro wonders if 37 pixels is too tall for these **

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justinh:

iamlindoro: nah. there's plenty room to be had not wasting it with screen titles & stuff

[18:52:12]

justinh:

what's more important? a longer list or more information?

[18:52:21]

iamlindoro:

Don't want to end up looking too... I dunno.. Fisher Price'y

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justinh:

if you like it, do it

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iamlindoro:

Well it works...ish

[19:08:47]

iamlindoro:

Just need a little MythUI love on the PBB ;)

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larzen:

anyone here have an HD tuner

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larzen:

?

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iamlindoro:

larzen, Why don't you just ask your question instead of asking for volunteers?

[19:13:51]

gbee:

and what on earth is a HD tuner?

[19:13:57]

gbee:

no wait, forget I asked

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iamlindoro:

It's proof someone fell into the marketingspeak trap ;)

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sid3windr:

a harddisk tuner

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iamlindoro:

guess the question wasn't that important :)

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iamlindoro:

for statistical purposes only, perhaps

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larzen:

my provider provides STBs to get digital cable.. These are motorola 2500 stbs... I am wondering if I can use the STB to descramble the digital signal and send lear QAM to my HD tuner card.

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larzen:

this was my question ;)

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i_is_cat:

anyone have any idea why my saa7134 tuner is suddenly choppy in the sound after a slackware upgrade? :S

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iamlindoro:

larzen, no

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iamlindoro:

Set Top Boxes do not pass QAM

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gbee:

however you can use a HD capture device (e.g. HD-PVR) to capture the image via component

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SHADOW__X:

larzen have you tried to scan the incoming signal without the stb to see if you get some clearn qam

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gbee:

firewire might be an option

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SHADOW__X:

possible

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SHADOW__X:

but dont count on it i have only some channels over firewire and sometimes it needs priming

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SHADOW__X:

when it works great

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SHADOW__X:

when it doesnt needs alittle tlc but hey i am glad i can do it

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erb:

how does the album cover feature work for movies

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erb:

i put a jpg in the movies directory

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erb:

but it doesnt show up in myth

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J-e-f-f-A:

erb: Usually they're automatically downloaded from imdb when you search for the metadata. The filename is the imdb number.jpg

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erb:

hmmf

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erb:

doesnt seem to work for me

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J-e-f-f-A:

erb: highlight the video, then hit the menu button and select "search" and see what happens.

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iamlindoro:

It needs to be added to the DB, can't just name a JPG the IMDB # and expect it to work

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iamlindoro:

needs to a) be in the artwork directory you specified in preferences, b) be associated with the film (which you can do by editing the metadata for the film manually or using the TMDB script)

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iamlindoro:

Manually would be, in .21, enter the video manager, highlight the film, choose edit metadata. there's a field for Cover Art which will show you the images in the cover art dir.

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iamlindoro:

Anyway, back to work

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jduggan:

wtf

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jduggan:

biggest night of the year

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jduggan:

and dominos is closed

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jduggan:

as is the next biggest pizza place in town

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

you dont want dominos anyways

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mchou:

get pizza from a real pizza joint

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justinh:

who needs pizza on NYE anyway?

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** iamlindoro stomps on inkscape and resizing in general **

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iamlindoro:

gahhhhh, the only way to make an icon look good is for it to be an obscenely huge resolution

[21:19:35]

iamlindoro:

I am not a classic adventure game artist, I can't make 320x240 work

[21:20:07]

gbee:

iamlindoro: inkscape's export is rubbish, I don't know if that's the cause of your current grief but it's worth knowing

[21:20:23]

iamlindoro:

gbee, Any way around that?

[21:21:08]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Humm... can't seem to get the ATSC channel scanner to work in trunk, or to be able to pull the channels down from SD... am I missing something stupid?

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gbee:

any small icon sized image you export from inkscape, just select+group, then scale it up to stupid size in inkscape, export before rescaling it back down to the size you want in gimp

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, not as far as I know, works here

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Humm... I'll try tvtime or something to make sure my tuner's working right...

[21:21:52]

iamlindoro:

gbee, ouch. Okay, thanks

[21:22:12]

gbee:

mostly affects small images for some reason, but it's a real pain

[21:22:47]

gbee:

luckily scaling up in inkscape is easy and of course there is no loss in quality

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iamlindoro:

That stinks. Yeah, just did direct exports at 1:1 pixel ration and my stuff looked like garbage upon use in myth

[21:22:59]

iamlindoro:

er ratio

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gbee:

hoping they'll fix it in future versions

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, hope so too

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gbee:

anyway, don't give up because you are doing good work

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iamlindoro:

Thanks

[21:29:15]

iamlindoro:

that's definitely the greatest risk (that I'll just get frustrated and stop

[21:29:25]

iamlindoro:

But they're definitely not all as fun to theme as MythVideo :)

[21:29:33]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Yeah, don't lose faith... you're doing quite well. ;-)

[21:29:38]

gbee:

happens too often unfortunately

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** justinh is living proof **

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gbee:

no-one is immune, I'm really going to have to force myself to finish porting pbb

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iamlindoro:

I *am* looking forward to PBB (even if it's currently giving me fits), the OSD and the EPG, though

[21:31:55]

iamlindoro:

The EPG because I'd like to try something really wild

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iamlindoro:

Mostly because every EPG out there is broken in the same ways and I'd like to try a different paradigm (not that I'm expecting to change the world)

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justinh:

yeah there's never any goto menu in the EPG :)

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iamlindoro:

Any chance the old non-MythUI screens don't handle alpha channel very well?

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justinh:

every chance

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justinh:

in the qt painter? they don't

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iamlindoro:

That might explain a lot of the crapitude

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iamlindoro:

GL painter, though

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justinh:

well, alphapulse for one

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justinh:

font alpha for another

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gbee:

non-mythui screens don't use either painter and don't support alpha either

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justinh:

eh?

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justinh:

oh yeah nevermind

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RDV_Linux:

My wireless keyboard has just died. My monitor is my HDTV so I want a cordless or bluetooth keyboard. I sit 10 to 14 feet away from the PC. Any keyboard replacement suggestions?

[21:51:59]

gbee:

put in new batteries

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justinh:

because all PVRs should have QWERTY keyboards of course :)

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RDV_Linux:

The first thing I tried. The keyboard is several years old.

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iamlindoro:

justinh, No no! Six buttons and only six buttons!!!!

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RDV_Linux:

I thought that some others have double duty usage for the PC that is attached to their HDTV.

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justinh:

people who sit 2 feet away from their TVs maybe

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RDV_Linux:

Ok sorry for asking. I have been using my HDTV as my monitor for about 5 years now.

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gbee:

Don't apologise, it's like blood in the water to this lot ;)

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gbee:

however as far as your question, IMHO there are way too many makes/models of wireless keyboards and I'm not aware of any great consensus on one make or model

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poodyp:

logitech diNovo?

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gbee:

a keyboard is a keyboard, there is little to tell one apart from another

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gbee:

well looking at photos I'd personally say that's too big for what he has in mind

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gbee:

if you want a keyboard to occassionally use with the myth box or TV connected PC I'd opt for something compact

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gbee:

unless you do a lot of data entry you really don't need a num pad, so you might look for one without it

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RDV_Linux:

gbee: Thanks for your response. I had wondered if "this lot" did have a preference. One of the favourites I tried was a bluetooth "Stowaway" keyboard I had for my PDA. It was ultra-compact. Unfortunately it died a few years ago.

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poodyp:

there's the dinovo mini

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poodyp:

I have a full size keyboard so anything is small in comparison

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mchou:

RDV_Linux: you have iphone?

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mchou:

RDV_Linux: use that

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gbee:

I ended up getting a brushed aluminium, relatively compact keyboard for occassional use with the frontend, it's branded Advent (ick) but it matches the case so ...

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iamlindoro:

gbee, Should applying a mask over the video preview widget be possible when the PBB is ported?

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justinh:

eew mario kart on the wii sucks

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RDV_Linux:

mchou: No iphone, Thanks for the suggestion.

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gbee:

I really don't know, at this stage I'm really not sure what will be possible since I'm unfamiliar with the specific of various video rendering methods

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gbee:

specifics

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RDV_Linux:

poodyp: The dinovo mini seems fairly expensive.

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SpaceBass:

hey folks

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SpaceBass:

anyone have any suggestions for dealing with multipath issues and OTA HD?

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justinh:

hey spaceghost

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SpaceBass:

my tuner seems to have a real hard time with the local ABC which is very high power

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justinh:

digital broadcast methods are supposed to do away with multipath reception issues. maybe you used the term incorrectly ;)

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SpaceBass:

maybe

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SpaceBass:

probably

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SpaceBass:

whatever it is, its fustrating the hell out of me

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justinh:

how is it manifesting itself?

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SpaceBass:

channel 22 – exact same transmitter tower as the others, but 2x the power ... I cannot get a signal lock, I watch the strength % pulse, almost rhythmically between 0 and 100%

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justinh:

you using an amplifier?

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justinh:

could be the tuner's AGC being swamped

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SpaceBass:

7 miles to the tower, no buildings, but lots of trees

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SpaceBass:

no amp

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justinh:

unlikely though

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SpaceBass:

this is where I am getting some of the info from: http://rabbitears.info/search.php?request=zip . . . amp;miles=60

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justinh:

tried an attenuator?

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SpaceBass:

oddly my mac-only USB tuner will lock onto that station with nothing more than a coat hanger

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SpaceBass:

justinh, no, I have not tried an attenuator – does that knock the power down?

[22:19:16]

justinh:

yup

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justinh:

any good electronic store should stock em

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SpaceBass:

worried that might kill my PBS and CW ... but worth a try

[22:19:46]

Enox:

Can anyone give me advice on which haupague card works well for video capture? I have no need for a tuner because my cable company encrypts the signal.

[22:20:03]

justinh:

or maybe there's a source of RF interference in your machine.. not unheard of..

[22:20:21]

SpaceBass:

I'm on like the 5th antenna ... at some point I'm just going to give up on ABC...but I was thinking about another tuner so guess I'm willing to try and attenuator

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SpaceBass:

justinh, using an HDhomerun – so its unlikely from within the machine, but could be any other number of things

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justinh:

Enox: your choices range from a pvr150 card for SDTV all the way up to a firewire enabled HD cable box or HD-PVR hooked up to a cable box...

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SpaceBass:

for instance, does 802.11b/g/n crossover that spectrum at all?

[22:21:25]

Enox:

justinh- Do the cards that talk about being a 'tuner' do anything negative if I choose not to use the tuner ability?

[22:21:29]

justinh:

SpaceBass: nah. nowhere near

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justinh:

Enox: nope

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SpaceBass:

justinh, didn't think so, but figured I'm past the point of assuming anything :D

[22:22:02]

justinh:

Enox: though you'll need an IR blaster or some other means of mythtv changing channels on the cable box

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justinh:

!trout Enox msging

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** MythLogBot slaps Enox with a msging trout on behalf of justinh... **

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erb:

i think enabling opengl instead of qt for the painter broke mythtv

[22:23:11]

erb:

i can't get back into the settings in the gui to change it back to qt though

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Enox:

I just remember you had an affliation..couldn't remember which company it was.

[22:23:18]

justinh:

for the record, I don't work for a hardware manufacturing company.. well nothing to do with PC kit

[22:23:19]

SpaceBass:

justinh, any other thoughts I should try besides the attenuator?

[22:23:35]

justinh:

SpaceBass: another HDHR ?

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justinh:

SpaceBass: do both tuners on the hdhr exhibit the problem?

[22:23:55]

SpaceBass:

justinh, I think I might use one of those PCHD cards before I'd do that

[22:24:06]

SpaceBass:

justinh, yes

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justinh:

not likely to be a tuner fault then.. unless it's a design flaw.. which I doubt

[22:24:32]

SpaceBass:

but my Elgato EyeTV usb tuner does not ... forums suggested that it was mulitpath, but I had wondered how that could be with a digital signal

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justinh:

sounds like BS to me

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justinh:

digital modulation is more robust to multipath distortion allegedly

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SpaceBass:

any reason one brand of tuner works and the other doesnt?

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justinh:

if the signal is swamping the HDHR's automagical gain control inside.. that'd do it

[22:25:46]

SpaceBass:

unless to your point, the USB tuner / antenna combo is weaker and therefore getting less power

[22:25:48]

justinh:

i.e. if it's too 'loud'

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SpaceBass:

yeah

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SpaceBass:

thats begining to sound reasonable

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justinh:

hence trying the attenuator

[22:26:09]

SpaceBass:

do they make frequency specific attenuators?

[22:26:15]

justinh:

that'd give the fault a periodic nature too ;)

[22:26:24]

justinh:

SpaceBass: not on the open market

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SpaceBass:

cool – thanks for the help, very educational

[22:26:50]

SpaceBass:

so one option is another tuner, specifically for ABC with the attenuator inline between it and the antenna

[22:27:12]

SpaceBass:

or perhaps the attenuator will knock my other locals out- I'll have to test

[22:27:21]

justinh:

SpaceBass: what's the elgato tuner like with the same antenna the HDHR uses?

[22:27:44]

justinh:

there could be local interference getting on the antenna download

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justinh:

*downlead

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SpaceBass:

same antenna + elgato works fine

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justinh:

maybe contact silicondust & see what they say too

[22:28:43]

justinh:

try the attenuator though

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SpaceBass:

k

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SpaceBass:

thanks again

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justinh:

np

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ugh, no matter what I do I can't get the ATSC scanner to work in FC9 & Trunk... Oh well, time to snow-blow the driveway anyways...

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erb:

any way to disable opengl and switch back to qt without using the GUI?

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justinh:

mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt

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gbee:

-O ThemePainter=qt

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erb:

ty

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ben:

evening, don't suppose there might be anyone here using an xbox as a frontend?

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justinh:

not for the last 4 years, nope

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ben:

hehe, trying to save moneys after xmas

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justinh:

but the xbox might be taking the place of the wii beside the telly some day soon. wii games suck

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ben:

weirdly enough, i can play *some* recordings via the native myth stuff within xbmc

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gbee:

erb: trunk?

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ben:

the xbmc mythtv script i can't use as i can't get subtitles to work

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justinh:

some? lucky you. I never got it to work. velly clashy

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ben:

pity

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justinh:

well, if I wanted all my files in one big long list...

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ben:

thing is tho – wouldn't the two use the same player?

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ben:

i'm just trying to understand why one displays subs and the other doesn't

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gbee:

which two?

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ben:

native myth support in xbmc and xbmc mythtv python scripts which seems better than native support but doesn't display subs

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justinh:

yeh they should both use the same player

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justinh:

best ask in #xbmc :)

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gbee:

why not mythfrontend on xbox?

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justinh:

gbee: you never saw how long it takes to boot up :)

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justinh:

but yeah it doesn't get any more native than mythfrontend

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ben:

gbee: i could do – i just happen to have extracted my xbox from under the bed and it has xbmc on it already

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justinh:

putting linux on is about as easy as xbmc

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ben:

i'd probably have to get a usb convertor so i can use the keyboard :p

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justinh:

ssh into it to change config stuff

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justinh:

if you have the dvd remote it's easy to get worky

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ben:

mmm, tempting!

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ben:

i guess you're talking about xebian?

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justinh:

aye

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ben:

well, nothing to lose...

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gbee:

I'm not making any recommendation, since I've never tried it, but if you're aim is to watch mythtv recordings etc on an xbox it seems like a more obvious fit than XBMC

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ben:

Yep

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ben:

and maybe dvds

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ben:

nothing special

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justinh:

it's slow to boot, is a little sluggish to operate but its more stable than XBMC in my experience

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gbee:

not sure what the graphics rendering is like, what GPU is has and whether opengl is supported

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ben:

might just be worth my while building a decent frontend

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gbee:

with opengl it might be reasonable with mythui so even xbmc style looks won't really factor into the equation

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gbee:

ben: yeah, longer term that's probably a better proposition, but if you just want a hobby project then messing with the xbox might be interesting

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gbee:

it's antiquated hardware though, so it's never going to be spectacular and forget HD etc

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ben:

Thats true

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ben:

video seems a bit choppy at times now – altho i've not looked into why that is

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larzen:

Folks... i just tried the built in myth client for xbox... cant seem to play videos... "too many consecutive errors"

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larzen:

but I can see my recorded shows, browse the schedule, etc..

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larzen:

does anyone know what could the problem be?

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gbee:

"built in myth client for xbox"? XBMC?

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iamlindoro:

Would have to be

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gbee:

iamlindoro: not necessarily, but the way he phrased it that's the impression I got

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iamlindoro:

well, it's the only thing that has a *cough* "built in" client, anyway

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iamlindoro:

Would be a stretch to call actual myth on the xbox that

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iamlindoro:

Think I finally have an idea for this freakin' PBB

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larzen:

for mythtv

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larzen:

on exbox

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larzen:

The "myth://" client for xbox

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larzen:

does not let me watch the shows ;)

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iamlindoro:

That would be "XBMC"

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gbee:

does anyone know what what he's talking about? :/

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gbee:

mythfrontend or XBMC? If the latter that's nothing to do with us, you should ask in #xbmc

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iamlindoro:

gbee, They use that as a prefix for a myth backend for their (sic) "client"

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GreyFoxx:

we use that to :)

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iamlindoro:

which is more or less the same as browsing it as a file source (presents recordings et al as channels)

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gbee:

aye, so do we

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larzen:

mythtv native client was added to xbmc about 6 months ago ot so

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J-e-f-f-A:

aka UPnP, eh?

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, Yes, but that's where the similarity ends

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iamlindoro:

larzen, It's only "native" to XBMC, it's not what anyone here would consider a real myth client

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gbee:

larzen: yeah, nothing to do with us, you need to ask XBMC users/devs

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larzen:

ok ;)

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J-e-f-f-A:

gbee: btw, original xbox has a PIII 733, a whopping 64MB ram, and Nvidia graphics.

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larzen:

yes, garbage :)

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larzen:

doesnt even play h.264

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gbee:

I remembered the CPU, but not the ram/graphics

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J-e-f-f-A:

larzen: and it does mpeg2 in hardware...

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larzen:

i think it has a hw decoder for mp2

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gbee:

64Mb? that's pathetic for a modern media centre platform

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larzen:

oh this is not modern

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J-e-f-f-A:

larzen: probably just uses xvmc... I don't remember, it's been at least 2 years since I had it up and running.

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larzen:

its about 8 years old

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J-e-f-f-A:

gbee: That's the original X-Box, not the 360.

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larzen:

i wish the 360 got hacked

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gbee:

J-e-f-f-A: I know, what I mean is why do people want or expect to run a modern media centre on such old hardware?

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larzen:

now I realize I am asking the xbmc question in the myth channel – my bad.

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larzen:

gbee – i need it to carry me over while I build the new front end (from a PC)

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J-e-f-f-A:

gbee: It actually works quite well as an SD frontend, but menus are a bit slow due to the low memory and swaps to disk. It helps to run a lightweight theme.

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larzen:

but because the PC is going into a dvd-type case... and I need to insure the IR detector works..and gentoo linux runs..etc.. i need to use this xbox thing for the time being to watch shows with.

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larzen:

runs max 1080i i believe

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larzen:

at least thats what the tv says.

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: I think I'm going to wipe this thing and start from scratch with SVN Trunk – I tried wiping 0.21 and the db off of it and goint to trunk but it ain't agreeing with me... Myth seems to work, but I cant get the dang atsc tuners to work...

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gbee:

getting a little worried now, vdpau osd is failing, this after it started refusing to play h.264

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larzen:

im wondering if I should run the xbmc (for linux) or myth front end.. not sure which one is better for the tv

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J-e-f-f-A:

gbee: ouch...

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gbee:

can't afford for the GPU to die like it did for kormoc :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

gbee – yikes, didn't realize it was kormoc who was the victim before...

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gbee:

hope to make additional changes in 0.22 which bring down the memory usage of mythfrontend, that might actually help make it faster on the xbox

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gbee:

but then again, other advances might offset that

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larzen:

i heard mythtv is going to move towards an opengl based UI

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larzen:

more fancy..

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larzen:

has that actually happened?

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J-e-f-f-A:

gbee: It's almost midnight for you, right? ;-)

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gbee:

in the development version, it's work in progress

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gbee:

J-e-f-f-A: aye, my secret's out, I'm not celebrating this year :)

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iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/theme-PBB.png

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iamlindoro:

Yes, I know this would mean another piece of metadata/fetching

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larzen:

is it common to run myth front end as a tv front-end using remote, etc.. ?

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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GreyFoxx:

by far most do that

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: Metadata/images are the future :)

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iamlindoro:

agreed

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larzen:

i only ever ran it on a pc

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: looking good... what are you going to put on the right side?

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larzen:

how customizable is the gui? skins, etc.. i know the skins are pretty limited..and certain things (like the show selection box) cannot actually be changed too much.

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, Would be episode names/dates

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J-e-f-f-A:

larzen: it's still run on a PC, but with video output...

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gbee:

larzen: http://www.fecitfacta.com/MVplay2.png http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/mimic4.png

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GreyFoxx:

there is huge fexibility in anything done in mythui. And the show slectionbox (pbb as we call it) will be moved to mythui soon

[23:53:27]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: makes sense. ;-) I think it looks good.

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larzen:

J-e-f-f-A what is that? a Myth skin??

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iamlindoro:

larzen, gbee's examples are both real-life examples

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gbee:

larzen: http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/mythui_watchrecordings_wide.png

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larzen:

this looks amazing

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J-e-f-f-A:

larzen: that's what's in development for 0.22 ... ;-)

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gbee:

http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/metallurgy_m . . . gallery7.png

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larzen:

i looked around for skins that look modern and easy to navigate..didnt see anything even close to what you are showing me here.

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gbee:

just as an example of flexibility

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iamlindoro:

Actually, reload my last one, much better when darker

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larzen:

wow

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gbee:

this aren't all examples of the same theme, different themes etc

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J-e-f-f-A:

larzen: Well, 0.21 doesn't have that flexibility...

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: reload which one ?

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larzen:

is 0.22 usable ?

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, http://www.fecitfacta.com/theme-PBB.png

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GreyFoxx:

larzen: to be honest I'd wait for it's release

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iamlindoro:

Depends on who's using it

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J-e-f-f-A:

larzen: It's still under heavy development. As you can see, it's undergoing major UI enhancments.

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gbee:

larzen: yes but don't expect it to look like these screenshots since none of these themes are complete/released

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gbee:

but some of them will be around for the launch of 0.22

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larzen:

gbee – i have two tuners .. I suppose I can a PC up for testing .22

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larzen:

but I need one to run the big tv here

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larzen:

that will have to be .21

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iamlindoro:

as gbee said, f you expect to see any of that at the moment you will be disappointed, as it only exists on our various harddrives, and not it finished form

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iamlindoro:

for right now, it will look in most ways like it always has with the public source

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larzen:

thats ok

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J-e-f-f-A:

^^ but is an excellent example of how powerful the new UI in 0.22 is... ;-)

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larzen:

i might try to contribute.. I am a c/c++ developer

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larzen:

just did a bunch of extras for mythweb..

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larzen:

to make it look "spiffy"

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larzen:

i think myth is mostly c... Unless .22 has the python bindings?

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larzen:

like xbmc?

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iamlindoro:

Myth is mostly C++

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gbee:

iamlindoro: shows potential but it's a little too 'washed out' for my tastes, but I like the layout

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gbee:

and adding the banner/fanart stuff isn't a problem

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