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| [00:32:14] | Anusien: | I used to know where it is, but it moved; how does one switch from xfce to kde or gnome (or vice versa) |
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| [00:47:21] | tjcarter: | someone had a good recommendation for ivtv options line for pvr-150/500 users, but I can't remember who |
| [00:47:33] | tjcarter: | If that person is awake, mind sharing it again? |
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| [00:56:49] | Scopeuk: | Anusien what distro? |
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| [01:09:33] | exburn: | i am having troble starting the backend and filling the database |
| [01:11:39] | exburn: | http://pastebin.ca/1286414 |
| [01:12:16] | exburn: | http://pastebin.ca/1286415 |
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| [01:15:38] | exburn: | anyone |
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| [01:23:47] | exburn: | someone |
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| [01:58:39] | Anduin: | exburn: mythbackend is probably already running causing the bind failure, the mythfilldatabase problems aren't or you set it to only use EIT and didn't mean to |
| [02:07:57] | Anusien: | So I'm helping a friend set up his machine. He has links in /var/lib/mythtv/video to where his files actually are; and those are readable/reachable by mythtv. He still can't find it with UPnP. What should I look at next? |
| [02:08:07] | Anusien: | We're running mythbackend -v upnp and not seeing anything relevant |
| [02:09:52] | iamlindoro__: | Anusien, Is the backend running on a real IP and not 127.0.0.1? |
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| [02:10:12] | Anusien: | Where is that setting again? I remember that was one of the problems I had setting it up for myself but I don't remember where it is |
| [02:10:12] | iamlindoro__: | ie, in mythtv-setup, General, page 1, what does it have as the Master Backend IP>? |
| [02:11:03] | Anusien: | oh right, have to set up a static IP for the server first. You know, I remember not having nearly this much trouble setting a server up for myself |
| [02:11:07] | Anusien: | But i bet that is the problem, thanks |
| [02:11:15] | iamlindoro__: | np |
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| [02:24:37] | jsumners: | is anyone having any issues with mythvideo from .21-fixes [19363]? |
| [02:26:10] | iamlindoro__: | Umm... might want to elaborate |
| [02:27:48] | jsumners: | iamlindoro__: well, if i use the video list to start a video and then quit the video, mythfrontend is rendered unusable |
| [02:28:10] | jsumners: | the menu screen has no text and the widgets are not completely drawn |
| [02:28:33] | iamlindoro__: | Are you using the OpenGL painter, and if so, why? |
| [02:28:35] | jsumners: | it also stops responding to iput (e.g. ESC) |
| [02:28:39] | jsumners: | no, i am using the QT painter |
| [02:28:57] | iamlindoro__: | Then you should check your frontend logs at varying verbosity |
| [02:37:17] | jsumners: | i don't see anything in the log (-v most) that indicates why this problem is occuring |
| [02:38:03] | iamlindoro__: | Then I would look into your video card and driver, if I had to guess |
| [02:39:32] | jsumners: | but the problem doesn't occur if i start and quit a recording |
| [02:40:42] | kormoc: | so once it hangs, attaching strace to it shows nothing? |
| [02:41:07] | jsumners: | kormoc: i haven't tried that |
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| [02:46:19] | jsumners: | kormoc: nope. as soon as mythfrontend spawns mplayer, strace stops |
| [02:46:38] | jsumners: | sits on a wait() call |
| [02:47:06] | kormoc: | are you sure when you quit out the video that mplayer actually quits? |
| [02:47:17] | kormoc: | because that wait() call is waiting for mplayer to exit |
| [02:48:21] | jsumners: | it looks like mplayer is still going |
| [02:48:57] | jsumners: | as soon as i killed it mythfrontend is working again |
| [02:49:08] | jsumners: | hmm. okay. time to figure out what is wrong with mplayer now |
| [02:49:11] | jsumners: | thanks |
| [02:49:20] | ** kormoc tips his hat ** | |
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| [02:51:30] | iamlindoro__: | Or, even better, just drop mplayer |
| [02:51:50] | jsumners: | uh, mplayer (usually) works best |
| [02:52:15] | iamlindoro__: | With what? |
| [02:52:21] | kormoc: | jsumners, because it's based on libavcodec which is what myth uses as well... erm... wait a sec... |
| [02:52:41] | clever: | jsumners: strace -f |
| [02:52:49] | jsumners: | well, for one, i can adjust a/v sync on-the-fly with mplayer |
| [02:52:50] | iamlindoro__: | What's more, Myth's player in trunk stomps all over mplayer in a variety of ways |
| [02:52:54] | clever: | that will attach to anything made by fork() and clone(), so it will trace mplayer too |
| [02:52:57] | iamlindoro__: | As you can with myth |
| [02:53:03] | wagnerrp: | hit 'm' |
| [02:53:06] | wagnerrp: | its in the menu |
| [02:54:41] | kormoc: | speaking of internal players... Anyone know offhand if mythtv returns a different status code for exiting out early vs end of recording? |
| [02:54:42] | jsumners: | it wasn't mplayer. i had a previous problem with ratpoison screwing up mythfrontend and i forgot to remove the ratpoison focus command from the external player command |
| [02:55:19] | iamlindoro__: | Not to mention our better support for Blu-ray and HD-DVD (especially their audio formats), a VDPAU implementation that makes theirs looks like a joke, the lack of need for vizarro command lines, the integrated experience... so yeah, mplayer who? |
| [02:55:31] | iamlindoro__: | s/vizarro/bizarro/ |
| [02:55:59] | kormoc: | auto-zooming! |
| [02:56:01] | ** iamlindoro__ cries a little and spends $100 on dish equipment ** | |
| [02:56:12] | kormoc: | $100 isn't too bad |
| [02:56:52] | iamlindoro__: | kormoc, Yeah, could be much worse-- actually $100 after shipping (which is 40% of it) |
| [02:57:08] | iamlindoro__: | Still no DVB-S card but I'm hoping for a christmas gift |
| [02:57:14] | jsumners: | iamlindoro__: well, i don't have a BD or HD-DVD drive. and VDPAU is not only in beta right now, i would have to upgrade to myth .22. so that would be double the unstable |
| [02:57:28] | kormoc: | I paid the for thw whole kit for dish, was around $300 |
| [02:57:47] | wagnerrp: | there is no myth 0.22 |
| [02:57:49] | kormoc: | there's a myth .22! |
| [02:57:54] | ** kormoc cheers ** | |
| [02:58:12] | ** kormoc wonders if 0.23 is out as well ** | |
| [02:58:39] | iamlindoro__: | nope, after .22 1.0 came out |
| [02:58:47] | iamlindoro__: | it's awesome |
| [02:58:47] | kormoc: | awesome sauce! |
| [02:59:55] | jsumners: | i know there isn't a .22. that is my point. what IS to be .22 is in flux |
| [03:00:47] | kormoc: | jsumners, well, in any case, the lack of a feature you don't have currently seems a weak argument for another solution |
| [03:00:49] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
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| [03:13:37] | ** jsumners doesn't understand why ratpoison has started preventing the mythfrontend menu from showing ** | |
| [03:14:04] | Anusien: | Okay, I'm on a local machine 192.168.15.152 that is both frontend and backend. I can do 'mysql -u root' but not 'mysql -h 192.168.15.152 -u root'; what could be causing this? |
| [03:14:58] | jsumners: | root@localhost is allowed but root@192.168.15.152 isn't |
| [03:15:12] | Anusien: | yes |
| [03:15:24] | jsumners: | uh, that's the cause |
| [03:15:35] | Anusien: | Like, what causes that symptom? |
| [03:15:51] | kormoc: | Anusien, localhost != 192.168.15.152 |
| [03:16:05] | Anusien: | The machine has the ip address of 192.168.15.152 |
| [03:16:09] | kormoc: | so? |
| [03:16:15] | kormoc: | localhost is always 127.0.0.1 |
| [03:16:21] | Anusien: | Sure |
| [03:16:44] | kormoc: | just because the machine has a ip doesn't make it match localhost when permissions are checked |
| [03:16:58] | Anusien: | Oh, it's mysql permissions causing that? |
| [03:17:04] | kormoc: | would appear to be, aye |
| [03:17:09] | Anusien: | Okay thanks |
| [03:17:33] | Anusien: | Changed over the IP address the backend is on from localhost to the actual IP address to do UPnP and didn't update permissions I guess |
| [03:17:44] | iamlindoro__: | I curse the term "fall finale" |
| [03:18:05] | kormoc: | I curse the term 'People Fail' |
| [03:18:07] | wagnerrp: | doesnt that imply that the show is actually returning? |
| [03:18:29] | Anusien: | iamlindoro: You mean you don't like artificial cliffhangers? |
| [03:18:34] | wagnerrp: | i thought terminator was over after tonight |
| [03:18:37] | iamlindoro__: | wagnerrp, I just hate that a midseason break (outside of a few weeks) has become the norm |
| [03:18:52] | iamlindoro__: | Is it?? |
| [03:18:54] | iamlindoro__: | ugh |
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| [03:19:49] | iamlindoro__: | Pretty much just gives me LOST, BSG, and the Dollhouse |
| [03:20:09] | iamlindoro__: | wagnerrp, I see a lot of "It's *this* close" but no confirmation, do you have a link? |
| [03:20:57] | Anusien: | <3 Dollhouse |
| [03:21:09] | wagnerrp: | nothing official, i just thought that was the common consensus |
| [03:21:10] | iamlindoro__: | Anusien, How could you know? |
| [03:21:27] | wagnerrp: | imdb/tv/epguides dont have any more episodes listed |
| [03:21:34] | iamlindoro__: | It might suck entirely (although unlikely given track record) |
| [03:21:35] | jsumners: | according to http://www.tvrage.com/Terminator-The_Sarah_Co . . . ad_news=4773 Terminator has at least another season |
| [03:21:53] | wagnerrp: | oh really! |
| [03:22:12] | wagnerrp: | so they were just outright lying when they called it the 'fall finale' |
| [03:22:17] | iamlindoro__: | It's got higher ratings that Prison Break, and that show has dragged the dead horse across the desert before beating it again |
| [03:22:46] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, 'Fall Finale' just says no more new episodes till after December 22ed |
| [03:23:03] | wagnerrp: | thats what i mean, it implies that there will be more episodes |
| [03:23:11] | wagnerrp: | except i had thought there would be no more episodes |
| [03:23:33] | kormoc: | nah |
| [03:23:56] | kormoc: | it can still be the series finale and the fall finale at the same time! |
| [03:23:57] | jsumners: | Pushing Daisies is dead after this season :( |
| [03:24:14] | kormoc: | so Pushing Daisies is... Pushing Daisies? |
| [03:24:19] | iamlindoro__: | yar |
| [03:24:20] | jsumners: | yep |
| [03:24:21] | iamlindoro__: | :( :( :( |
| [03:24:44] | kormoc: | So does Lost ever really explain the whole Darma Initiative thing? |
| [03:24:53] | kormoc: | or am I just going to get increasingly annoyed? |
| [03:24:54] | jsumners: | not yet |
| [03:24:59] | iamlindoro__: | kormoc, They're kinda beginning to dance in that direction, but not yet |
| [03:25:10] | jsumners: | two more seasons of that damn show |
| [03:25:19] | kormoc: | I was fairly upset with the whole button thing not being explained at all really |
| [03:25:23] | iamlindoro__: | I hope that's said lovingly :) |
| [03:25:32] | iamlindoro__: | kormoc, Have you seen all of it yet? |
| [03:25:36] | kormoc: | I wanted better GFX then over-white tv... |
| [03:25:39] | iamlindoro__: | They shed *some* light on it |
| [03:25:44] | jsumners: | it's getting tiresome |
| [03:25:53] | jsumners: | first they want off the island. now they want back on |
| [03:25:54] | kormoc: | They just stopped pressing the button and the world turned white, that's as far as I got |
| [03:26:08] | iamlindoro__: | Don't let mkrufky hear you say that, he is in lurrrrrve with that show |
| [03:26:14] | iamlindoro__: | I must admit that I also love it |
| [03:26:23] | kormoc: | I'm annoyed |
| [03:26:24] | wagnerrp: | you stop pressing a button, and the world ends? |
| [03:26:28] | kormoc: | but still watching it |
| [03:26:30] | wagnerrp: | that sounds like homer and his bobbing bird |
| [03:26:37] | iamlindoro__: | I have faith that things will be explained better than the last season of Alias, ugh |
| [03:27:05] | ** kormoc cries for the end of Jewel Staite being weekly sent to his house ** | |
| [03:27:15] | iamlindoro__: | WHOAH WHOAH |
| [03:27:25] | iamlindoro__: | How do *I* get weekly Jewel Staite at my housE?? |
| [03:27:50] | kormoc: | Was Star-gate Alantas, but no more :( |
| [03:28:06] | iamlindoro__: | ah... Well that would be great except for the whole Stargate Atlantis part |
| [03:28:19] | iamlindoro__: | <-- was never much of a stargate fan |
| [03:28:28] | kormoc: | heh |
| [03:28:33] | kormoc: | I'm a huge stargate fan |
| [03:28:51] | GreyFoxx: | Same here. |
| [03:28:51] | jsumners: | Atlantis will be missed |
| [03:28:56] | iamlindoro__: | I am hoping beyond hope that Fox will finally not screw up a Whedon show |
| [03:29:02] | iamlindoro__: | (Dollhouse) |
| [03:29:03] | jsumners: | hopefully Galaxies doesn't suck |
| [03:29:03] | GreyFoxx: | I'm sad to see Atlantis go but wanna knowmore about SG Universe |
| [03:29:11] | iamlindoro__: | But they've already put it in the timeslot of death |
| [03:29:21] | GreyFoxx: | I thought it was gonna called Universe. Is it Galaxies ? |
| [03:29:43] | jsumners: | whatever |
| [03:29:50] | jsumners: | silly name either way |
| [03:30:05] | Anusien: | What permissions does mythtv need on the mythconverge dbase? |
| [03:30:10] | kormoc: | Miss Jewel needs to do live stargate shows. I'd show up with a nice pile of $1s... |
| [03:30:23] | kormoc: | Anusien, it's documented in the create statements |
| [03:31:49] | wagnerrp: | well all of tonight's recordings are next to worthless |
| [03:32:02] | wagnerrp: | big huge weather warning plastered in the top left |
| [03:32:08] | iamlindoro__: | I keep misreading Anusien as Anduin and wondering why he's asking these questions |
| [03:32:11] | Anusien: | kormoc: Where are those? |
| [03:32:25] | kormoc: | Anusien, mc.sql file I believe |
| [03:32:26] | Anusien: | wait, nevermind. |
| [03:32:27] | wagnerrp: | including beeping warnings |
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| [03:34:56] | ** Anduin learned the actual name of the new doctor from the beep ** | |
| [03:35:03] | jsumners: | ugh. if they really wanted people to see the commercials they would put the weather info up during the breaks instead of during the show |
| [03:35:47] | iamlindoro__: | Anduin, Happy to help. Dare I ask about....? |
| [03:35:50] | wagnerrp: | if they wanted to bother people with the weather, they would just create a whole separate channel with it.... oh, wait... |
| [03:36:17] | wagnerrp: | well i guess this is fox, they dont have a weather channel |
| [03:36:39] | wagnerrp: | just some failed audio streaming service |
| [03:36:42] | iamlindoro__: | It's fox, they don't believe in weather, it's all Jesus tears |
| [03:37:51] | cesman: | LOL! |
| [03:37:56] | Anduin: | iamlindoro__: Oh, I'm just complicating things, if I'd stop doing other things it would be in already, still plan to get to it later tonight. |
| [03:38:07] | iamlindoro__: | Anduin, coolio |
| [03:38:19] | iamlindoro__: | Anduin, Nothing I did I hope |
| [03:39:23] | iamlindoro__: | (in the patch, that is) |
| [03:39:32] | Anduin: | iamlindoro__: No, just decided to use the existing directory scanner (with known file types), and use whatever player was configured for that file type rather than internal, which required other changes, etc |
| [03:40:11] | iamlindoro__: | ah |
| [03:40:20] | Anduin: | and renamed the settings a tiny bit |
| [03:41:05] | Anduin: | and removed a couple trailing spaces |
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| [03:41:58] | iamlindoro__: | haha |
| [03:42:04] | iamlindoro__: | "but besides that, it was fine" |
| [03:42:56] | Anduin: | Oh, those are all minor things, some of them just preferences, I don't know why I care so much about supporting other players (I don't actually use them anymore) |
| [03:43:44] | wolfspirit: | does anyone know what table in the database shows the upcoming recorded shows? |
| [03:43:53] | ** iamlindoro__ hearts internal ** | |
| [03:44:01] | clever: | wolfspirit: none i beleive |
| [03:45:00] | wolfspirit: | clever: how does mythtv keep track of it then? by a file? |
| [03:45:11] | clever: | wolfspirit: its stored in ram at the master backend |
| [03:45:31] | clever: | every frontend can ask for the whole list thru the network |
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| [03:46:04] | wolfspirit: | clever: huh? I can't believe that it's stored in ram.. if I reboot my machine it still knows about the schedule.. it has to be stored somewhere |
| [03:46:29] | clever: | it uses the recording rules(from record table) and the guide data(from program table) to generate the upcomming recordings |
| [03:46:45] | clever: | but it has to regenerate that every time you reboot, or change a rule |
| [03:46:59] | iamlindoro__: | Well, the program info is in record |
| [03:47:04] | iamlindoro__: | but yes, it's in record |
| [03:47:47] | clever: | record shows the rules that say what to record, but it doesnt say WHEN it will actualy record |
| [03:48:20] | wolfspirit: | weird my record table just has old recordings in it.. for example.. Heroes from last week not this week |
| [03:48:47] | iamlindoro__: | wolfspirit, It's the info from the time you made the rule, doesn't mean anything |
| [03:49:01] | iamlindoro__: | as clever said, it's the rule, not the program info for *all* upcoming |
| [03:49:20] | iamlindoro__: | eg my Simpsons rule is from Treehouse of Horror (which happened to be when I made the rule) |
| [03:49:43] | iamlindoro__: | But it's not matching description or plot, so that doesn't really matter |
| [03:51:24] | wolfspirit: | I guess I didn't notice there was a "next record" in the record table.. I'm assuming this is the auto generated data? |
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| [03:51:56] | iamlindoro__: | it's the next program that matches the rule |
| [03:52:13] | iamlindoro__: | and it's generated when the backend runs a reschedule |
| [03:52:18] | iamlindoro__: | (I believe) |
| [03:52:44] | clever: | i beleive ive seen mass updating of that column whenever a rescedule happens |
| [03:53:28] | wolfspirit: | reason I asked.. I've recently created a google gadget that displays my mythtv status and this is the only piece not working.. currently it displays last update time, disk usage, (supposedly it should show the next recording), it shows whether you are playing a video with an external player, DVD, previous recording, live tv, or just recording and not watching, it also shows the last song played and what time it was played.. pl |
| [03:53:37] | clever: | 2008-12–15 23:53:32.416 MSqlQuery::exec() "UPDATE record SET next_record = '' WHERE recordid = '3985';" |
| [03:53:40] | clever: | yep :) |
| [03:54:26] | clever: | wolfspirit: using the http status page, or the mythtv network protocol you can query the whole upcomming recording schedule |
| [03:54:48] | clever: | http://media.localnet:6544/ shows the next ~10 upcomming recordings |
| [03:54:53] | jpabq: | wolfspirit, you may want to check out http://www.etc.gen.nz/projects/mythtv/mythtv-status.html |
| [03:55:08] | clever: | i also use `mythbackend --printsched` from a script to get the entire listing |
| [03:55:33] | wolfspirit: | clever: I know but I wanted to do it without using mythtv-status.. I assumed that it was available from the DB as well |
| [03:55:40] | iamlindoro__: | jpabq, Had a chance to test VC1 since 180.16? |
| [03:55:54] | clever: | wolfspirit: try running `mythbackend --printsched` |
| [03:56:04] | iamlindoro__: | Works pretty nice :) Some slight smoothness issues, but pretty good all around |
| [03:56:17] | wolfspirit: | jpabq: mythtv-status is nice but it doesn't really tell me what's going on with my overall media center.. just tuner status really... |
| [03:56:28] | jpabq: | iamlindoro__, I have almost no luck watching any blu-ray or hd-dvd via myth. I either get no sound, or I get a black screen. Doesn't matter if I am use VDPAU or not. |
| [03:56:32] | wolfspirit: | clever: that is probably what I might use.. thank you |
| [03:56:59] | iamlindoro__: | jpabq, strange... I have had incredibly good luck, then, maybe... pretty consistent |
| [03:57:20] | jpabq: | iamlindoro__ I have not spent to much time fighting with it. |
| [03:57:20] | iamlindoro__: | OMG I forgot how hot the blonde from Lethal Weapon 2 was |
| [03:57:45] | jpabq: | I recorded LW2 off of HDnet Movies recently. Guess I should watch it. |
| [03:58:08] | iamlindoro__: | So hot |
| [03:58:17] | wagnerrp: | was LW2 the one with the south africans? |
| [03:58:35] | iamlindoro__: | yeah |
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| [04:03:35] | jpabq: | iamlindoro__, do I need to be applying one of your patches to get audio from blu-ray discs? |
| [04:05:08] | iamlindoro__: | jpabq, shouldn't, should get at least e-ac3 and mlp support out of the box |
| [04:05:26] | iamlindoro__: | My only changes are to the parser to identify more audio tracks, but nothing to codecs themselves |
| [04:05:50] | jpabq: | I get no audio from any disc which has dts instead of ac3. |
| [04:06:10] | iamlindoro__: | I am at a loss for what to do on ffmpeg-dev, I don't know if I should prod again about the parser changes or what |
| [04:06:37] | iamlindoro__: | It's one thing if there's a reason not to take the patch, but sheesh, don't *ignore* me |
| [04:07:06] | iamlindoro__: | I guess I could drop in to their channel |
| [04:07:42] | jpabq: | crack that whip! |
| [04:07:57] | iamlindoro__: | Heh, don't want to crack so hard my patch falls off the world |
| [04:11:52] | wagnerrp: | damned fall finale... that was a terrible episode |
| [04:12:43] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: Dude, c'mon. Patches being ignored is a sure sign you've spotted something the devs don't understand. ;) |
| [04:12:58] | wagnerrp: | 'oh but we have to have a cliff hanger, we cant just have episodes stand independent on their own like other shows' |
| [04:13:36] | iamlindoro__: | Dagmar, I'm sure they understand it better than I do, and they (ffmpeg devs) have a tendency to be a bit... erm... insular. So I'll go on being as polite as possible and hope for the best :) |
| [04:16:14] | jsumners: | what do you guys use to manage focus on your frontend boxes? |
| [04:16:29] | wagnerrp: | evilwm |
| [04:17:56] | Dagmar: | Occam's Razor. |
| [04:19:22] | iamlindoro__: | Using only the internal player eliminates focus issues :) |
| [04:19:38] | wagnerrp: | there is that... |
| [04:19:47] | jsumners: | iamlindoro__: i'm sure it does :) |
| [04:19:52] | wagnerrp: | of course mythgame is still an issue |
| [04:20:03] | iamlindoro__: | blech, mythgame |
| [04:20:04] | Dagmar: | "All things being equal, the only app running takes focus" |
| [04:20:12] | ** cesman has never seen a focus issue in about 6 years of using MythTV... ** | |
| [04:20:14] | iamlindoro__: | one of the many plugins to die when I rule the world |
| [04:20:21] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: WHY DO U HATE IP SO MUCH? |
| [04:20:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | [ot] Anyone want a free 18-year-old Son???? I'm ready to send mine packing... yikes... |
| [04:20:31] | ** jsumners curses! ** | |
| [04:20:37] | iamlindoro__: | He's 18, nobody has to take him |
| [04:20:44] | jsumners: | evilwm is giving me the same problem as ratpoison |
| [04:20:45] | iamlindoro__: | You can just do the pack-sending |
| [04:20:49] | Dagmar: | J-e-f-f-A: You missed your chance when Wisconsin changed their laws last month |
| [04:20:57] | wagnerrp: | Dagmar: what are you talking about? i use mythgame to launch Tux Racer! |
| [04:21:06] | Dagmar: | You could have just driven over there and dropped him off at a hospital |
| [04:21:15] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: You'd be like the only person I've ever seen using it for that |
| [04:21:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | Dagmar: yeah, but I'm a long ways from Wisconsin... :-| |
| [04:21:51] | jams: | that wasn't WI |
| [04:22:00] | Dagmar: | It was somewhere up north |
| [04:22:07] | jsumners: | cesman: i prefer to use vlc as my DVD player. when vlc quits, it doesn't return keyboard focus to mythfrontend. so i use ratpoison to do so. |
| [04:22:42] | iamlindoro__: | Thought it was midwesty... |
| [04:22:43] | ** cesman uses fluxbox ** | |
| [04:22:44] | iamlindoro__: | Nebraska? |
| [04:22:54] | jams: | yes it was nebraska |
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| [04:29:53] | Der_Thomas: | OK, so I've been thinking about making the leap and buying an HDTV. So I've been reading up on using myth with HD. Thing I can't figure out is how to get HD material INTO myth. |
| [04:30:12] | Der_Thomas: | Yeah you can use a clearQAM card, but that is only a few channels for the luckey people |
| [04:30:29] | wagnerrp: | well everyone gets a few channels |
| [04:30:34] | Der_Thomas: | How can I get all of the other HD channels into myth? |
| [04:30:42] | wagnerrp: | and you can usually get the same channels under ATSC |
| [04:30:57] | Der_Thomas: | right, but what about HBO, ESPN etc etc |
| [04:31:03] | wagnerrp: | there is often a lot more to be had over firewire |
| [04:31:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | Der_Thomas: HD-PVR... |
| [04:31:16] | wagnerrp: | possibly espn, but definitely not hbo |
| [04:31:19] | Der_Thomas: | oh fierwire is HD |
| [04:31:21] | Der_Thomas: | ? |
| [04:31:25] | wagnerrp: | firewire is digital |
| [04:31:42] | wagnerrp: | its iust the same mpeg feed the cableco sends down the line to you |
| [04:31:46] | wagnerrp: | be that HD or SD |
| [04:31:55] | Der_Thomas: | j-e-f-f-A, HD-PVR is still only clear QAM and you won't get HBO ESPN etc in HD |
| [04:32:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | Der_Thomas: And -if you're lucky- it's not only enabled, but in-the-clear.... |
| [04:32:11] | wagnerrp: | Der_Thomas: WRONG |
| [04:32:20] | wagnerrp: | the HD-PVR is an analog capture box |
| [04:32:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | Der_Thomas: HD-PVR is a Component Video -> H.264 encoder. |
| [04:32:31] | wagnerrp: | meaning you get anything that your STB will pump out to your tv |
| [04:32:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | (and you need a HD STB too, of course...) |
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| [04:33:27] | Der_Thomas: | wagnerrp, so if I use a HD STB and put it's component output to an HD-PVR, I get HD into myth, or is it converted into SD? |
| [04:33:40] | iamlindoro__: | You get HD into myth |
| [04:33:44] | wagnerrp: | its converted into whatever the STB is outputting |
| [04:33:50] | Der_Thomas: | ok |
| [04:33:56] | Der_Thomas: | didn't know that |
| [04:34:28] | Dagmar: | Why would you think that a machine specifically designed to encode HD would emit an SD stream unless you told it to? |
| [04:34:40] | Der_Thomas: | I though that it was just an NTSC, ATSC/QAM tuner |
| [04:34:45] | iamlindoro__: | Moreover, why would they call the it *HD*-PVR |
| [04:34:53] | iamlindoro__: | It's not a tuner of any kind |
| [04:35:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | Der_Thomas: At the moment you need a fast machine to decode it, but with Nvidia VDPAU support on it's way, that will change soon... ;-) |
| [04:35:02] | Dagmar: | Now, that doesn't mean these providers won't decide to be jackasses at some point in the future and ignore the FCC restriction that forbids them from ruining component output |
| [04:35:02] | wagnerrp: | it comes with a hard drive! |
| [04:35:25] | iamlindoro__: | wagnerrp, wait, you know it doesn't, right? |
| [04:35:31] | wagnerrp: | ... |
| [04:35:35] | Dagmar: | They did a pretty damn good job of getting around the FCC's directive that digital cable boxes should have a useable firewire port |
| [04:35:56] | Der_Thomas: | oh, I'm thinking about something else I think Are we talking about HVR-1600 PCI cards? |
| [04:36:04] | Der_Thomas: | or things like that? |
| [04:36:07] | wagnerrp: | AFAIK, there is nothing that says cable boxes have to have a usable firewire port |
| [04:36:13] | iamlindoro__: | No. We're talking about the HD-PVR. Like we keep saying |
| [04:36:14] | Dagmar: | An HD-PVR is an HD-PVR is an HD-PVR. |
| [04:36:21] | Dagmar: | If you need a model number I think it's HD-1200 or something like that |
| [04:36:24] | wagnerrp: | ones with firewire ports merely need to be made available to the users upon request |
| [04:36:30] | iamlindoro__: | we're not all spontaneously misspelling some other card name as performance art |
| [04:36:40] | iamlindoro__: | HDPVR-1212 |
| [04:36:49] | iamlindoro__: | but don't call it that, because only mailing list stooges call it that |
| [04:36:54] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: Yeah, come to just about anywhere but San Francisco or Seattle and see how much you can get out of the firewire port. |
| [04:37:08] | Dagmar: | Most places, the firewire port is useable for changing channels and watching PBS and that's it. |
| [04:37:22] | Dagmar: | Everything else is protected by 5c monopoly-tech |
| [04:37:29] | wagnerrp: | well, get a 5C compatible TV and you can use it all you want! |
| [04:37:31] | Dagmar: | s/protected/"protected"/; |
| [04:37:46] | Dagmar: | You can't record it unless you buy a 5C-compliant PVR. |
| [04:37:49] | wagnerrp: | love that racketeering |
| [04:38:29] | Der_Thomas: | OK, got it, HD-PVR is the way to go. |
| [04:38:47] | Dagmar: | The FCC appears to have figured out what the studios were up to with their "new martket" stunt they were using to try to "fix" the "analog hole". |
| [04:38:49] | iamlindoro__: | Der_Thomas, Regular users shouldn't be using the HD-PVR until .22 comes out |
| [04:38:50] | Dagmar: | by the way |
| [04:38:58] | iamlindoro__: | Der_Thomas, It's not supported in any released version of Myth |
| [04:39:23] | Dagmar: | They realized that the wording they were being asked for meant that broadcasters would basically flag EVERYTHING as being invalid for sending out the component outputs until a DVD was available |
| [04:39:25] | wagnerrp: | good to hear |
| [04:39:36] | Der_Thomas: | Dagmar, yeah I've been fighting with my cableco for a few months now trying to get my firewire ports running |
| [04:40:01] | Dagmar: | Der_Thomas: UNless you live in Seattle or the Bay Area (SFO) you're pretty much out of luck |
| [04:40:01] | Der_Thomas: | Dagmar, first they told me that the vendor (SA) diabled them and they couldn't change it |
| [04:40:03] | ** iamlindoro__ switches to Recorded programs and watches his little army of STBs poop HD into myth ** | |
| [04:40:10] | Der_Thomas: | Dagmar, I'm in Buffalo, NY |
| [04:40:42] | Dagmar: | Der_Thomas: You can usually browbeat them into giving you one with the firewire port enabled, and if you don't _contact your FCC field office and set up an appointment to talk to someone_ but good luck getting video out of it |
| [04:41:08] | Der_Thomas: | Dagmar, after I told them that they were lying as other people on the net are using the same box with different ccable co's they decided to put me to level 2 techs |
| [04:41:19] | Dagmar: | They're legally obligated to not block locally broadcast OTA stuff like PBS and local affiliates with antennas (ATSC/NTSC) in the area, but everything else is fair game |
| [04:41:57] | Der_Thomas: | Dagmar, next the level 2 tech did't know what I was talking about until I told him about the law and read it to him then lagically they knew what I was talkina about |
| [04:42:07] | Dagmar: | Clearly, the FCC is going to have to start talking about levvying fines to get their attention, since that's what made Comcast turn off that Sandvine crap |
| [04:42:25] | Der_Thomas: | Dagmar, next they referred me to their engineering department where they told me, that they are already enabled |
| [04:42:44] | Der_Thomas: | Dagmar, problem is that if I go into the diagnostic screen, they are clearly turned off |
| [04:43:01] | Dagmar: | Contact your local FCC field office. |
| [04:43:10] | Der_Thomas: | when I plug it into my maching, the computer doesn't even 'see' the STB |
| [04:43:51] | ** iamlindoro__ changes the channel name to #mythtv-therapy ** | |
| [04:43:51] | Der_Thomas: | Dagmar, yeah I'm going to have to |
| [04:43:56] | Dagmar: | You don't need to make threats to anyone. Just get someone's ear at the FCC office, and then call the cable company and try again to get a box with the firewire port enabled--and when they bullshit you around say "So this is what I'm to tell Mr. So-and-so at the FCC office?" |
| [04:43:58] | Der_Thomas: | haha |
| [04:44:13] | Dagmar: | This is what's called "playing hardball". |
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| [04:44:35] | Der_Thomas: | yeah, I didn't know that they had field offices thought |
| [04:44:36] | Der_Thomas: | yeah, I didn't know that they had field offices though |
| [04:44:38] | Dagmar: | Don't get irate, don't get rude, the law is on your side. If NY is a "one-party consent" state, feel free to record those phone calls and tell them |
| [04:44:48] | Dagmar: | Hehe oh yes the FCC has field offices in just about every major city |
| [04:45:06] | Der_Thomas: | I'll have to google that |
| [04:45:15] | Dagmar: | *Someone's* gotta be nearby to go hassle people running pirate radio transmitters. ;) |
| [04:45:49] | Der_Thomas: | right, haha, do people do that anymore? |
| [04:46:08] | wagnerrp: | always trying to steal my lucky frequencies |
| [04:46:17] | Dagmar: | Although frankly, if NY *is* a one-party consent state, I woulnd't tell them. I would let it be a suprise after you turn over your recordings of upper management refusing your request |
| [04:46:55] | Dagmar: | Der_Thomas: Umm... Yes. And occasionally they forget to turn the thing off after awhile and the next day the FCC has to break out the Mystery Machines and go glare at people until the transmissions "go away" |
| [04:47:11] | Dagmar: | They're pretty reasonable people |
| [04:47:25] | Dagmar: | ...although that might just be my opinion |
| [04:48:28] | Der_Thomas: | probably a dumb q, but since HD-PVR is not supported until 0.22, anyone know what kind of schedule the next release is on? |
| [04:48:38] | Dagmar: | The same as always... |
| [04:48:41] | Dagmar: | "When it's ready" |
| [04:48:41] | iamlindoro__: | Same one as usual |
| [04:48:44] | wagnerrp: | at some point before 0.23 |
| [04:49:09] | Der_Thomas: | right |
| [04:49:10] | Dagmar: | They should start using irrational numbers for the unstable tree. |
| [04:49:12] | iamlindoro__: | There'll need to be a lull in major new features first for feature freeze and bugfixing |
| [04:49:27] | wagnerrp: | 0.eleventybillion |
| [04:49:31] | iamlindoro__: | But since gigantic new things keep going in, 22 is still a date in the distance |
| [04:49:31] | Dagmar: | 0.pi |
| [04:49:58] | Der_Thomas: | so like 6 months+ ? |
| [04:51:20] | iamlindoro__: | anything would be a guess. I qould *guess* less than 6 months |
| [04:51:27] | iamlindoro__: | er would |
| [04:51:35] | Dagmar: | Der_Thomas: Probably before youre hit by a truck |
| [04:51:41] | Dagmar: | But who knows when that might be |
| [04:51:50] | iamlindoro__: | MythUI needs to settle down, and that's still going full speed, then there needs to be a period of bugfixing, then release |
| [04:52:23] | kormoc: | Der_Thomas, the only plan is we plan to have 0.22 out before the universal heat death |
| [04:52:49] | Der_Thomas: | that's cool, just trying to figure out if I should wait to buy the device or just grab it now |
| [04:53:10] | Der_Thomas: | sounds like I can wait and let the price drop |
| [04:53:15] | iamlindoro__: | make someone get it for you for Xmas |
| [04:53:24] | Dagmar: | Umm... I wouldn't wait forever |
| [04:53:28] | iamlindoro__: | $183, dell.com |
| [04:53:49] | Dagmar: | It's only a matter of time before the lawyers catch up to the fact that we've worked around the "Amarella" version of 5C. |
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| [04:54:12] | Dagmar: | ...although with that french thing running around on the market, I'm not sure they have time to go after Hauppauge right now |
| [04:56:55] | iamlindoro__: | Which thing now? |
| [04:57:34] | Dagmar: | That french device that may or may not have an "f" in the name that I'm not even going to mention which strips HDCP like a hooker with a big pile of hundies in front of her |
| [04:57:52] | iamlindoro__: | Ah, don't think it's French, is it? |
| [04:58:02] | Dagmar: | I thought it was of French origin |
| [04:58:13] | iamlindoro__: | Thought it was made in Hong Kong |
| [04:58:15] | Dagmar: | When I first heard about it the site was half-French and hosted in France |
| [04:58:24] | Dagmar: | Could very well be Chinese |
| [04:59:11] | Dagmar: | Either way, the safer legal precedent (YMMV, IMHO, & IANAL) would be to go after the HDCP stripper |
| [04:59:26] | iamlindoro__: | Ah, we're both wrong, Taiwan (somewhat predictably) |
| [04:59:44] | Dagmar: | If they go after Hauppauge over the Amarella thing and fail, they'll probably have a harder time going after the other thing |
| [05:00:41] | ** iamlindoro__ makes a habit of stocking up on the fun technology before it can disappear ** | |
| [05:00:50] | Dagmar: | Frankly I think they should spend less money on lawyers and more money on making things worth buying. |
| [05:01:16] | Dagmar: | ...but they *have* gone after one of Hauppauge's products before. |
| [05:03:22] | Dagmar: | Before you can ask I don't remembver which one, I just remember that some of the Dropline devs were pretty hot to get one before something took effect |
| [05:03:29] | iamlindoro__: | What will I do until January without Yvonne Stralfjkhlasdfhasdlhfaski |
| [05:03:56] | Dagmar: | Was there an eipsode of something on tonight? |
| [05:04:31] | iamlindoro__: | Chuck? |
| [05:04:38] | iamlindoro__: | Terminater, Heroes.. |
| [05:04:39] | Dagmar: | Oh and Heroes |
| [05:04:44] | iamlindoro__: | Terminator, that is |
| [05:04:55] | Dagmar: | I've fallen a bit behind on Chuck |
| [05:05:07] | Dagmar: | It's not as interesting when he's not in a panic all the time |
| [05:05:21] | iamlindoro__: | Up to date on Chuck and Daisies, 7 weeks behind on Heroes and T:TSCC |
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| [05:10:43] | ServerSage: | Hey folks, I just upgraded my server, and moved from Gentoo to MythBuntu on my backend. After doing so, things are working for the most part. All except one small thing, my remote frontend cannot see upcoming recordings, and it cannot see the guide data, nor can I do a search by program name. What am I missing? |
| [05:11:49] | kormoc: | ServerSage, all the myth parts need to be the same version exactly |
| [05:12:13] | ServerSage: | kormoc: Doh, I think you hit it on the head. My frontend is still Gentoo running a newer version of the frontend. |
| [05:12:16] | Dagmar: | ServerSage: Perhaps now is the time to mention Thou Shalt Not Mix And Match Frontend And Backend Versions |
| [05:12:29] | Dagmar: | Darn those capital letters slowing me down. |
| [05:12:35] | ServerSage: | Hehe. |
| [05:12:50] | ServerSage: | Thanks fellers. Speedy and helpful as always. |
| [05:12:57] | Dagmar: | Just boot the MythBuntu disk on your frontend |
| [05:13:07] | ServerSage: | Dagmar: That is exactly where I'm off to. |
| [05:13:12] | Dagmar: | If it works, you know you can start the wipe and reinstall |
| [05:13:49] | iamlindoro__: | The list is all atwitter about.. erm... a Twitter. |
| [05:14:35] | iamlindoro__: | a perl script that takes username and password as command line arguments and displays with xosd... well, at least it's not a hack. |
| [05:15:53] | Dagmar: | Wait... |
| [05:16:10] | Dagmar: | Someone wrote code to display the piddling nonsense of near-strangers on the screen? |
| [05:16:15] | iamlindoro__: | yar |
| [05:16:36] | wagnerrp: | my google-fu fails me, i cant seem to find this device you speak of |
| [05:17:09] | iamlindoro__: | wagnerrp, HdFury2 |
| [05:17:35] | wagnerrp: | oh, i thought it was something hdmi --> hdmi |
| [05:17:47] | kormoc: | you know, that vonage script doesn't seem to work... |
| [05:17:57] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: Argh I was really trying to avoid that showing up in logs |
| [05:18:10] | iamlindoro__: | Dagmar, It's shown up about 10 other times today :) |
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| [05:19:43] | iamlindoro__: | imagine it's a lot like the megafactories.... day shift makes dish receivers, night shift makes "FTA" receivers... day shift makes TVs, night shift makes Aytch Dee Fyooris |
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| [05:20:04] | Dagmar: | *headinhands* |
| [05:21:40] | wagnerrp: | besides, i think its relatively safe when you type 'hdcp stripper' into google, and in return, it suggests you search for 'hdfury' |
| [05:22:28] | kormoc: | hdfury in that context sounds like a STD |
| [05:22:37] | wagnerrp: | because... oh no! google is promoting the violation of dmca laws! |
| [05:22:53] | kormoc: | I was playing with a HDCP stripper and now the doctor says I have hdfury.... it burns when I pee... |
| [05:22:55] | ** iamlindoro__ applies his HDFury topical ointment ** | |
| [05:23:40] | wagnerrp: | must be how they make those 'hd sunglasses', apply some hdfury sauce |
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| [05:24:30] | iamlindoro__: | It comes in a plain brown wrapper clearly marked "Not Penis Cream." |
| [05:24:47] | iamlindoro__: | massage into affected area for 30 seconds up to a half hour |
| [05:26:37] | iamlindoro__: | For all the kids in the house who have no idea what that's from, http://www.hulu.com/watch/4139/steve-martins-penis-beauty-creme |
| [05:27:11] | wagnerrp: | steve martin! i remember the skit but i couldnt remember who did it |
| [05:27:29] | wagnerrp: | only makes sense it was the host whos been around more than most cast members |
| [05:28:04] | iamlindoro__: | Well, he was a cast member for a pretty fair stretch too |
| [05:28:50] | wagnerrp: | nope, never a cast member |
| [05:28:54] | iamlindoro__: | Uhh |
| [05:28:56] | iamlindoro__: | yes he was |
| [05:29:00] | iamlindoro__: | "Two wild and crazy guys" |
| [05:29:05] | iamlindoro__: | He was an ORIGINAL cast member |
| [05:29:08] | wagnerrp: | yes... never a cast member |
| [05:29:26] | iamlindoro__: | What?? You are wrong. He most certainly was. |
| [05:29:35] | wagnerrp: | nope |
| [05:29:51] | iamlindoro__: | wagnerrp, Steve MArtin was a *founding* cast member of SNL |
| [05:30:12] | wagnerrp: | there was some skit when tom hanks hit his 5th time hosting, he got access to some special club room |
| [05:30:45] | wagnerrp: | steve martin was in there, but he had hosted so many times, he was being carried around on his own throne |
| [05:31:26] | RyeBrye: | Steve Martin was 14 times hosting |
| [05:31:31] | kormoc: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_Night_L . . . s.27_Club.22 |
| [05:31:59] | RyeBrye: | yep |
| [05:32:00] | kormoc: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_Night_L . . . .28_1975_.29 |
| [05:32:05] | RyeBrye: | I was totallly right |
| [05:32:21] | RyeBrye: | Anyone else have any strange issues with audio when the computer comes out of screensaver? |
| [05:32:27] | iamlindoro__: | Craziness. OK, my mistake. Swore he had been |
| [05:32:34] | kormoc: | given I don't use screensavers... |
| [05:32:45] | RyeBrye: | Yeah, I just distabled mine |
| [05:33:10] | RyeBrye: | the pitch would be shifted for about 30 seconds to a minute down really low – then it would just magically come back to normal |
| [05:33:22] | RyeBrye: | now it makes the audio sound like it is in a garbage disposal |
| [05:33:35] | RyeBrye: | I'll see if just disabling the screen saver will avoid the issue |
| [05:34:35] | d0netsFN: | http://pastebin.com/m3a7ff035 |
| [05:34:41] | d0netsFN: | hey im getting errors when i try to sync five |
| [05:35:00] | d0netsFN: | i get all that then the server closes |
| [05:35:53] | ** iamlindoro__ wonders what five is and how it pertains to myth ** | |
| [05:36:15] | d0netsFN: | lol sorry i had my terminal covering my chans |
| [05:36:21] | d0netsFN: | i saw ryebrye and assumed to much |
| [05:36:43] | RyeBrye: | L) |
| [05:36:47] | ** RyeBrye is also in #android ** | |
| [05:37:23] | RyeBrye: | Is NAS a good place to put video for mythvideo? |
| [05:37:39] | kormoc: | NAS is a place now? |
| [05:37:40] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [05:37:50] | iamlindoro__: | More of a state of mind |
| [05:37:53] | Dagmar: | Grammar notwithstanding, it's fine. |
| [05:38:05] | Dagmar: | s/Grammar/Nomenclatures/; |
| [05:38:07] | RyeBrye: | :) |
| [05:38:10] | Dagmar: | s/res/re/; |
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| [05:38:55] | CaptObviousman: | HD video is what, ~5 MBit/sec? |
| [05:39:12] | wagnerrp: | depends on your source |
| [05:39:18] | RyeBrye: | Nah – some of my streams are 18 MBit I thnk |
| [05:39:23] | wagnerrp: | crappy internet HD might be ~5Mbps |
| [05:39:38] | iamlindoro__: | If you get 5 Mbit Hd, welcome to AT&T Uverse and I hope you enjoy your stay |
| [05:39:38] | ** RyeBrye has a WRT350N on the way – and totally wants to use the USB port to rig up a NAS for his video shares ** | |
| [05:39:57] | wagnerrp: | broadcast is usually somewhere around 15, br and hddvd are upwards of 40mbps |
| [05:40:23] | CaptObviousman: | so if you're saving to NAS, you've got 18MBit each way |
| [05:40:46] | RyeBrye: | yeah |
| [05:40:48] | wagnerrp: | nope, just one-way |
| [05:40:53] | RyeBrye: | Oh, right |
| [05:41:07] | RyeBrye: | but I'm not saving my hd streams to NAS – just my h264 DVD rips |
| [05:41:10] | wagnerrp: | presumably, your FS is intelligent enough to cache in memory, and not have to pull it back across |
| [05:41:35] | wagnerrp: | and mythvideo is only ever one direction |
| [05:41:37] | ** CaptObviousman recalls reading recently that mythtv had a small ring buffer also ** | |
| [05:41:51] | wagnerrp: | the ring buffer is old and gone |
| [05:42:01] | wagnerrp: | now all recordings are done directly to the file system |
| [05:42:06] | CaptObviousman: | interesting |
| [05:42:27] | wagnerrp: | was that nixed in 0.19? |
| [05:42:51] | iamlindoro__: | may even have been .18, but somewhere right there |
| [05:43:11] | CaptObviousman: | wow, I must have been reading an old doc then |
| [05:43:15] | ** CaptObviousman doesn't remember where he saw it ** | |
| [05:44:34] | Lexridge: | I thought the ring buffers were still there for tuner-only/non-encoder cards. I must also have been reading something old. |
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| [05:45:17] | what4893: | Does anyone here have an HDHomerun tuner setup with mythtv? |
| [05:45:21] | RyeBrye: | Yes |
| [05:45:24] | ** RyeBrye has HDHR ** | |
| [05:45:30] | ** RyeBrye loves HDHR ** | |
| [05:45:36] | what4893: | Awesome, was thinking about getting one |
| [05:45:48] | what4893: | and was curious if myth can change the channel over the network |
| [05:45:50] | what4893: | or if you have to use lir |
| [05:45:52] | what4893: | lirc |
| [05:46:08] | RyeBrye: | yeah, it changes the channel over the network |
| [05:46:13] | what4893: | beautiful |
| [05:46:19] | what4893: | Wanted to hide the box in the closet |
| [05:46:24] | RyeBrye: | That's how mine is |
| [05:46:41] | what4893: | Perfect, that's exactly what I needed to know, thanks RyeBrye |
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| [05:46:51] | iamlindoro__: | what4893, Just so you're clear, you can't use the HDHR (or any other digital tuner) to capture the output of a STB |
| [05:46:56] | iamlindoro__: | inc ase you thought you could |
| [05:47:07] | Lexridge: | I wish they would combine the HD-PVR and the HDHR. That would be an awesome box! |
| [05:47:57] | what4893: | that's good to know too, thanks iamlindoro |
| [05:47:58] | RyeBrye: | what4893: yeah, it just takes a CATV or antenna connection and it does the tuning |
| [05:48:17] | RyeBrye: | only clear QAM or ATSC |
| [05:48:18] | what4893: | Ok, good to know for future, was just going to use it with a normal cable connection for now |
| [05:48:27] | RyeBrye: | oh, it doesn't do standard analog cable |
| [05:48:33] | RyeBrye: | only QAM (digital cable) |
| [05:48:41] | RyeBrye: | and only clear QAM (unencrypted) |
| [05:48:55] | what4893: | hmmm how do i find out if that's what I have, I have Cox Cable |
| [05:49:02] | what4893: | just standard cable package from them |
| [05:49:05] | iamlindoro__: | Which means, more or less, NBC, ABC, CBS, Fox, and local channels |
| [05:49:13] | what4893: | oh, interesting |
| [05:49:14] | RyeBrye: | you might get some of the broadcast channels as QAM |
| [05:49:34] | what4893: | hmmm well that kinda busts that for me, maybe that's not the best solution for me |
| [05:49:38] | RyeBrye: | http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/channels |
| [05:49:47] | RyeBrye: | what4893: do you have an HDTV? |
| [05:50:09] | Lexridge: | if your STB has component outputs, get an hd-pvr. |
| [05:50:23] | RyeBrye: | what4893: My setup right now is an HDHR and a PVR500 – so I've got 4 tuners. I watch a lot of network TV in HD – and I have the PVR-500 for analog stuff |
| [05:50:31] | iamlindoro__: | But don't get an HD-PVR until Myth .22 comes out, as it's not currently supported in any release |
| [05:50:47] | Lexridge: | right! |
| [05:51:06] | what4893: | RyeBrye: yes, a vizio 37" |
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| [05:51:41] | RyeBrye: | what4893: if you watch a lot of network stuff, ATSC and the HDHR would be great |
| [05:52:01] | iamlindoro__: | I manage to keep 2 QAM tuners pretty busy with just network TV |
| [05:52:19] | iamlindoro__: | examples, Terminator and Chuck are on at the same time, bam, instant conflict |
| [05:52:31] | iamlindoro__: | among others |
| [05:52:37] | RyeBrye: | Yeah, I use ATSC for the same thing |
| [05:52:42] | RyeBrye: | but yes, they are both almost always busy |
| [05:53:33] | what4893: | hmmm, is there a site where I can learn a bit more about qam and atsc? |
| [05:53:43] | iamlindoro__: | wikipedia |
| [05:53:56] | what4893: | lol, true should have thought of that :) |
| [05:53:56] | what4893: | thx |
| [05:53:58] | RyeBrye: | wikipedia probably, but from a user standpoint QAM = digital cable, ATSC = over-the-air |
| [05:54:06] | what4893: | ok |
| [05:54:24] | what4893: | looks like based on that site you sent me rybrye that I get a decent number of channels in my area |
| [05:54:31] | what4893: | so might still be worth the effort |
| [05:54:47] | RyeBrye: | what4893: what zip code? |
| [05:54:50] | what4893: | My main intention for using the HDHR was to run my mythbackend in a vm |
| [05:54:52] | what4893: | 92673 |
| [05:55:59] | RyeBrye: | Wow, that's a lot of ATSC channels |
| [05:56:03] | RyeBrye: | (the 8vsb ones up at the top) |
| [05:56:37] | RyeBrye: | any work being done on multirec for the HDHR's? |
| [05:57:31] | iamlindoro__: | Someone mentioned wanting to do so the other day, but nobody actively working on it AFAIK |
| [05:57:51] | RyeBrye: | I saw in the API a while ago it's pretty easy to get the whole mux instead of just the one piece of it |
| [05:57:56] | RyeBrye: | (the HDHR API) |
| [05:58:36] | wagnerrp: | i mentioned i was going to look into it |
| [05:58:37] | iamlindoro__: | Don't think it has anything to do with difficulty, just interest |
| [05:58:43] | RyeBrye: | yeah, gotcha |
| [05:58:52] | RyeBrye: | oh, yeah – wagnerrp – you get your HDHR yet? |
| [05:59:00] | iamlindoro__: | ie, no one person has had both the skills and the interest to do it |
| [05:59:01] | wagnerrp: | i went, and looked, and realized i would have to get to know my way around the mythcode base more before having any idea what im doing |
| [05:59:16] | wagnerrp: | HDHR came a week or so ago |
| [05:59:35] | wagnerrp: | my freebsd box could use it just fine |
| [05:59:59] | wagnerrp: | but i bumped up to trunk, can no longer get it compiled on freebsd, and my linux box will not connect |
| [06:00:20] | wagnerrp: | the SD app will connect to it, but it cannot auto-discover the HDHR |
| [06:00:27] | wagnerrp: | myth just outright refuses to touch it |
| [06:00:37] | RyeBrye: | I'd be torn between ATSC and it's oh-so-nice high bitrates and QAM and it's multiple-networks-on-one-mux |
| [06:01:18] | wagnerrp: | so at the moment, its sitting lifeless in my basement, velcro'd to an overhead HVAC duct |
| [06:02:45] | ** RyeBrye can't wait for 100Mbit broadband ** | |
| [06:02:54] | RyeBrye: | and IPv6 :) |
| [06:03:09] | RyeBrye: | ... then I'd just offer to use your HDHR for you, wagnerrp ;) |
| [06:05:15] | CaptObviousman: | hmm, so this KWorld 115 can pick up analog |
| [06:05:23] | CaptObviousman: | but if I switch over to try ATSC it gets nothing |
| [06:05:47] | CaptObviousman: | ATSC is 8vsb broadcast yes? |
| [06:05:56] | RyeBrye: | yes |
| [06:06:04] | CaptObviousman: | bizarre |
| [06:06:12] | CaptObviousman: | I wonder if my card's broken |
| [06:06:41] | iamlindoro__: | You set it to DVB card type, right? |
| [06:06:47] | CaptObviousman: | yep |
| [06:10:42] | what4893: | RyeBrye: Had another quick question for you if you don't mind, something like the Pinnacle PCTV HD Pro USB, would the sd and HD work on that? Or just SD until 0.22? |
| [06:10:56] | Lexridge: | Did it identify the tuner chip when you selected DVB? It should. |
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| [06:11:19] | CaptObviousman: | oh wow there it goes, it started finding something |
| [06:11:22] | RyeBrye: | what4893: I don't know about those... others might. I just have the HDHR |
| [06:11:22] | iamlindoro__: | what4893, That's just an ATSC/QAM tuner like the HDHR |
| [06:11:45] | iamlindoro__: | CaptObviousman, Ah, the old "assuming channel 2 on your TV is at frequency 2 mistake" |
| [06:11:53] | what4893: | ok thx |
| [06:12:01] | ** CaptObviousman hangs heAD ** | |
| [06:12:08] | CaptObviousman: | well it skipped Fox and NBC |
| [06:12:09] | iamlindoro__: | most Digital Cable channels are at 78+ frequencywise |
| [06:12:22] | iamlindoro__: | CaptObviousman, Did you let it finish? Did you get any "unknowns" |
| [06:12:24] | iamlindoro__: | ? |
| [06:12:42] | ** CaptObviousman is letting it do a full scan again ** | |
| [06:12:49] | iamlindoro__: | It's very possible you got Fox and NBC but there's just no PSIP data |
| [06:12:53] | CaptObviousman: | last time I did this (two days ago) it found nothing |
| [06:13:06] | CaptObviousman: | it said "Timout scanning" where those two should be |
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| [06:14:05] | CaptObviousman: | finding a bunch of stuff. Maybe Fox is just transposed |
| [06:21:05] | RyeBrye: | Megan Fox is transposed? |
| [06:22:48] | iamlindoro__: | Mmmm |
| [06:23:00] | ** CaptObviousman isn't quite sure what that's supposed to mean ** | |
| [06:23:52] | iamlindoro__: | Good, we're not sure what "fox is transposed" is supposed to mean either |
| [06:24:27] | CaptObviousman: | no need to be rude |
| [06:24:39] | iamlindoro__: | Megan Fox being transposed sounds a lot more interesting, which implies her being upside down |
| [06:25:14] | iamlindoro__: | Who's being rude? You asid something nonsensical, someone else actaully managed to make it into something worthwhile |
| [06:25:19] | iamlindoro__: | er said |
| [06:25:25] | iamlindoro__: | er actually |
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| [06:29:00] | CaptObviousman: | I think I meant to write translated. Moot point now |
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| [06:49:07] | RyeBrye: | Wow. SOmeone has actually beenw orking on mytharchive |
| [06:49:27] | RyeBrye: | I like the "select thumbnails" feature... although it's a bit f'ed up in the theme Im using now |
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| [07:17:59] | CaptObviousman: | success! |
| [07:21:38] | justinh: | RyeBrye: ahh yes but what does the xml look like? I themed mytharchive once. I swore never again! |
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| [07:24:18] | ** justinh bookmarks http://doc.trolltech.com/qq/qq07-popupcalendar.html because it might come in handy before the year is out ** | |
| [07:25:08] | tjcarter: | Okay, it's official: Global warming my frozen pink albino ass! |
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| [07:28:57] | RyeBrye: | ahh... VDPAU – I can watch TV all I want and my transcoding-to-burn-on-dvd doesn't get slowed down at all :) |
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| [07:54:31] | CaptObviousman: | harmmmm, that's very interesting |
| [07:54:55] | CCFL_Man: | my digicipher II ird's battery has failed |
| [07:54:55] | CaptObviousman: | it's scanning for channels and it freezes in the same place in its scan every time |
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| [08:18:46] | justinh: | hmmm think I'll finish work on for the year on Thursday |
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| [08:28:52] | wagnerrp: | thats what my dad is doing |
| [08:29:00] | wagnerrp: | he has ~10 days of vacation left |
| [08:29:10] | RyeBrye: | ics support in mythweb in trunk = cool :) |
| [08:29:18] | wagnerrp: | ics? |
| [08:29:24] | RyeBrye: | ical thing |
| [08:29:45] | justinh: | ruh? |
| [08:29:48] | RyeBrye: | at the bottom of upcoming recordings – click on it and download an ics file... which is used by just about every calendaring app |
| [08:29:59] | RyeBrye: | (it has ical | 2.0 button) |
| [08:30:37] | justinh: | ah |
| [08:30:55] | RyeBrye: | it would be cooler if it was set up as a subscription URL so my ical would just be able to constantly check it – but seeing it on a calendar is pretty sweet – especially since it'd be trivial to write some script to just publish that to a google calendar or something |
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| [08:31:16] | RyeBrye: | you know... in case... umm... nevermind |
| [08:31:25] | wagnerrp: | HAHAHAHAHAHA |
| [08:31:27] | RyeBrye: | I can't think of a reason anyone would really care to see what you were recording |
| [08:31:36] | wagnerrp: | schedules direct tagged Star Trek as 'reality' |
| [08:31:43] | RyeBrye: | Wow |
| [08:31:50] | RyeBrye: | Someone at SD needs to get out more :) |
| [08:32:31] | wagnerrp: | actually, no |
| [08:32:48] | wagnerrp: | seems two episodes were replaced with 'chase' and 'estate of panic' |
| [08:32:56] | wagnerrp: | but are still listed in upcoming recordings |
| [08:33:14] | wagnerrp: | funky |
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| [08:36:07] | jblack: | hurrhhh. out of the blue, nolyc told me that "$$@@" is not a valid command. |
| [08:37:40] | wagnerrp: | it most certainly is |
| [08:38:01] | wagnerrp: | with the proper defines, of course |
| [08:38:03] | jblack: | wrong channel. ;) |
| [08:42:58] | CCFL_Man: | if i want to do rtsp vod of mkv files, is vlc my best bet? |
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| [09:24:38] | teprrr: | hi, anyone recall if there's some kind of a timeout for receiving EIT data? |
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| [09:26:46] | FisherPrice: | Hi, For reasons of setting up the channels and some initial teathing problems I seem to have many of the same channel in the database. I'm concidering deleting all the channels in MythWeb and starting again... is there any gotchya's or warnings to doing this? |
| [09:28:40] | ** justinh wonders if anybody actually learns anything from setting up mythtv multiple times ** | |
| [09:28:53] | justinh: | or if it's just a sign they should buy a standalone DVR |
| [09:29:06] | FisherPrice: | lol |
| [09:29:09] | jduggan: | it depends why they set it up multiple times |
| [09:29:09] | olejl: | teprrr: yes there are some timeout settings, but atm I don't remember exacly where |
| [09:29:15] | jduggan: | but i've done it twice |
| [09:29:25] | jduggan: | 2nd time has run pretty much floorlessly for 12months |
| [09:29:34] | jduggan: | ;p |
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| [09:52:51] | Dibblah: | It's run floorlessly for all intense purposes? |
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| [09:53:11] | justinh: | of coarse |
| [09:53:39] | justinh: | its to good |
| [09:53:55] | justinh: | talking about you're myth setup |
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| [09:59:49] | Dibblah: | Just be careful not to loose the database. |
| [10:00:59] | Dibblah: | It might effect the WAF. |
| [10:01:47] | Dibblah: | Of course, a fully functioning Myth system is much sort after. |
| [10:03:27] | directhex: | your both twats |
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| [10:04:12] | ushills1: | I'm having a few issues with dvd playback of cetain dvds under ubuntu 8.04 and 8.10, they seem to just clog up the drive. Most dvd's work fine but a few of the latest will not playback or rip. |
| [10:04:43] | teprrr: | olejl, okies, must be mythtv-setup I think. thanks |
| [10:05:36] | ushills1: | They will playback with mythdvd but not mplayer and I cannot rip anyof them to my hard drive |
| [10:07:19] | FisherPrice: | Dibblah: were you talking to me? |
| [10:07:45] | olejl: | teprrr: If you can not find it ping me in a couple of hours when I'm able to check it |
| [10:07:56] | clever: | ushills1: what did you try for ripping? |
| [10:08:13] | clever: | ive never had any problems so far with cpdvd |
| [10:08:25] | Dibblah: | FisherPrice: Never mind ;) |
| [10:08:38] | Dibblah: | directhex: I aim to please ;) |
| [10:08:44] | FisherPrice: | still trying to get an answer to my question |
| [10:08:46] | teprrr: | olejl, okies |
| [10:08:49] | FisherPrice: | waiting |
| [10:09:07] | ushills1: | clever: for ripping I used the import dvd option, work with most dvd's but not the last 3 i've brought |
| [10:09:26] | clever: | never actualy used the ripping in mythtv |
| [10:09:27] | Dibblah: | FisherPrice: How did you scan for channels and how did you populate the schedule data? |
| [10:09:58] | ushills1: | clever: Are the dvd's you rip copy protected, mine are and region 2. |
| [10:10:11] | clever: | i think they where copy protected |
| [10:10:21] | FisherPrice: | Dibblah: I went into the "Channels Editor" in myth-setup.. deleted them... then had to re-scan. This was the only way I could fix some problems |
| [10:10:32] | clever: | hell boy the golden army was one of the latest ones |
| [10:10:34] | FisherPrice: | did a full scan |
| [10:10:39] | Dibblah: | ... And how do you get your schedules? |
| [10:10:40] | clever: | that was a 8gig dual layer disk |
| [10:11:13] | FisherPrice: | i have to use shepherd... a grabber for Australia |
| [10:11:32] | ushills1: | clever: what is cpdvd then? and how do I invoke it – I also tried dvd::rip, and a few others in the repo's. Also these dvd's will only play in myth, no other player will play them. |
| [10:11:43] | Dibblah: | Have you customised your config file for it so you're only pulling the channels you want? |
| [10:11:49] | clever: | ushills1: just run it in a terminal |
| [10:11:53] | Dibblah: | If not, it will create channels. |
| [10:12:16] | clever: | ushills1: the program is part of the 'cpdvd' package in ubuntu/debian |
| [10:12:47] | FisherPrice: | ohhh, hrm, no, I haven't customised the config file... |
| [10:12:50] | ushills1: | Thanks I will give that a try, does it create an iso? |
| [10:13:05] | clever: | cpdvd will create a directory with a copy of all the vob/vts files needed |
| [10:13:18] | FisherPrice: | Dibblah: I've had some issues with the shephard install too, so I've deleted the install and started again a few times |
| [10:13:26] | clever: | mplayer -dvd-device /path/to/dir dvd:// would be one way to play it |
| [10:13:42] | Dibblah: | I would suggest you do that, then :) |
| [10:13:57] | FisherPrice: | yeah.. there wouldn't be any gotya's then |
| [10:14:18] | FisherPrice: | if i just use MythWeb to delete the channels |
| [10:14:20] | ushills1: | clever: do I just burn those to a dvd then |
| [10:14:38] | clever: | i havent burnt any of these back to disk |
| [10:14:50] | FisherPrice: | Dibblah: would i have to go back into myth-setup and delete all the channels too |
| [10:14:50] | clever: | i just store them on the hdd to watch for a while, and delete when i run out of space |
| [10:15:34] | ushills1: | clever: will they be picked up by myth and added to video |
| [10:16:18] | clever: | havent tryed that, let me look |
| [10:17:44] | clever: | the dir is just showing as a bunch of .vob files in mythvideo |
| [10:18:28] | ushills1: | clever: I will see if I can rip tonight, thanks |
| [10:18:29] | mzb_d800: | FisherPrice: it might pay to join the shepherd mailing list |
| [10:18:44] | FisherPrice: | maybe...thanks |
| [10:19:19] | FisherPrice: | ttyl, going to check out kde-neon |
| [10:19:30] | clever: | my main drives are 138G 536G 74G 76G and 52G |
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| [10:19:57] | clever: | oops wrong room |
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| [10:27:18] | Dibblah: | It's not a bloody room, it's a bloody channel :) |
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| [10:29:27] | justinh: | nobody has been stabbed yet, so it's not even bloody |
| [10:34:18] | sid3windr: | roooooooooom |
| [10:38:54] | justinh: | channle |
| [10:39:24] | justinh: | theirs no raisin to have an arguement |
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| [10:47:02] | Finswimmer: | hello, i have added an identical tv card to my existing one. but information center --> system status --> tuner status shows me only 3 tuners. not 4. why? |
| [10:50:29] | directhex: | is it a digital tuner? |
| [10:50:54] | Finswimmer: | directhex: yes. wintv hvr-1110 |
| [10:50:55] | Finswimmer: | both |
| [10:51:09] | Finswimmer: | card 0 has 2 tuners, but card 1 shows only 1. |
| [10:51:34] | directhex: | urgh, a hybrid card |
| [10:51:47] | directhex: | you're wanting to USE it as hybrid, or wanting multirec? |
| [10:51:51] | Finswimmer: | yes. but i am only using DVB-T |
| [10:51:54] | Finswimmer: | multirec. |
| [10:52:06] | directhex: | then you need to set the number of virtual tuners in the card properties |
| [10:52:35] | Finswimmer: | hmm. as far as i know i never did this for my first card. but i will try. |
| [10:53:35] | Finswimmer: | directhex: is there a possibility to use 3 tuners on 1 card? |
| [10:54:25] | directhex: | i think the hard-coded limit is 5 |
| [10:54:30] | jduggan: | can you use multirec with dvb-s ? |
| [10:54:34] | directhex: | but if you edit the source you can change the limit |
| [10:54:54] | directhex: | jduggan, yes, but dvb-s transponders carry many fewer channels each than a dvb-t multiplex |
| [10:55:13] | directhex: | making it less useful |
| [10:55:17] | jduggan: | yea, but bbc1/bbc2 probably run on the same |
| [10:55:22] | jduggan: | probably some ITV ones? |
| [10:55:25] | Finswimmer: | directhex: where do i adjust the number of virtual tuners? |
| [10:55:35] | jduggan: | i'll take a look |
| [10:56:38] | directhex: | jduggan, itv1 (four regional variants), itv2, itv4, citv, and men&motors share a transponder |
| [10:57:06] | jduggan: | not itv3? |
| [10:57:07] | jduggan: | :P |
| [10:57:42] | directhex: | jduggan, bbc1 (2 regional variants), bbc2 (one regional variant), bbc4, cbbc, cbeebies, bbc3, and five share a transponder |
| [10:58:07] | jduggan: | definitly a useful one to multirec |
| [10:58:35] | directhex: | jduggan, itv3 is on the same transponder as itv3+1, channel tv, ulster tv, and three regional variants of stv |
| [10:58:36] | jduggan: | bbc1/bbc2/bbc3 are likely clashes for me |
| [10:59:30] | jduggan: | if more people had dvr capabilities we could rid the +1 channels and have more bandwidth :P |
| [10:59:38] | jduggan: | dvr/pvr |
| [11:00:21] | directhex: | you'll be glad to know zone horror+1 and babestation 2 share a transponder |
| [11:01:17] | Finswimmer: | yehah :) i have now 4 tuners :D |
| [11:01:19] | jduggan: | lol |
| [11:03:27] | justinh: | for tv turners eh |
| [11:03:56] | sid3windr: | makes you go all woozy |
| [11:04:04] | directhex: | fore grate just ice |
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| [11:10:21] | grokky: | Howdy All. I just gave trunk a go (was running 0.21-fixes. when mythfrontend starts it displays a dialog saying "initializing mythtv" and a progres bar. |
| [11:10:32] | grokky: | It then sites there and eats all available ram and cpu and does nothing. |
| [11:10:39] | grokky: | have to kill it. |
| [11:10:43] | directhex: | patches welcome! |
| [11:10:54] | grokky: | any ideas? (I've already cleared out themecache. |
| [11:10:58] | sid3windr: | :> |
| [11:11:32] | justinh: | rm -rf /usr/share/mythtv/themes/blootube* |
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| [11:19:15] | grokky: | I was running blootube, and changed the db to a diff theme. I just blew away mythtv dir and did a fresh make install without plugs and theme packages and it is now working (thanks justin) |
| [11:21:13] | directhex: | justinh, well caught |
| [11:21:40] | justinh: | oh did that solve some problem or other? I just typed into the wrong window! |
| [11:22:01] | directhex: | hehehe |
| [11:24:37] | justinh: | damn. somebody planted the idea of a KFC lunch & now it won't go away |
| [11:25:40] | wagnerrp: | the colonel knows best |
| [11:26:37] | sid3windr: | :] |
| [11:27:17] | directhex: | colonel panic! |
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| [11:37:00] | jduggan: | heh @ colonel panic |
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| [11:43:13] | justinh: | grr @ the people who want the old info popup for mythvideo's gallery view |
| [11:43:18] | justinh: | INFO key ftw! |
| [11:43:49] | directhex: | when in doubt, press m or i |
| [11:43:53] | justinh: | SELECT to play, INFO to show INFO |
| [11:43:54] | directhex: | have these people never USED myth? |
| [11:44:12] | justinh: | INFO doesn't show video info in mythvideo |
| [11:44:37] | justinh: | it also doesn't show INFO in the EPG either |
| [11:44:56] | justinh: | 'U' does that. can you see the logic? |
| [11:57:58] | hashbang: | justinh: how difficult do you estimate it'd be to add functionality to MythTV to a) have a directory full of remote button icons and b) then associate each option and any help menus with those icons, so that the UI of MythTV can be tuned to match the remote the user is actually using? |
| [11:58:16] | hashbang: | justinh: as a way of increasing WAF and making it similar to off-the-shelf appliances |
| [11:59:14] | justinh: | hashbang: because I don't have one of those kind of remotes I really couldn't give a |
| [11:59:42] | justinh: | but I imagine it'd be awful |
| [11:59:55] | justinh: | and it'd likely look awful |
| [12:00:12] | hashbang: | justinh: hmm, but regardless of what remote you're using, there's always an element of "now, do I press 1 here, or red, or teletext on/off, because I've forgotten the bindings I setup" |
| [12:00:24] | justinh: | who the hell uses teletext? |
| [12:00:42] | hashbang: | justinh: you're missing my point |
| [12:00:51] | directhex: | framegrabber users! |
| [12:00:54] | hashbang: | justinh: what button on your remote do you use to delete recordings? |
| [12:00:54] | justinh: | point is, it's the responsibility of whoever sets myth up as to what bindings are used |
| [12:01:09] | justinh: | mythtv != appliance. end of |
| [12:01:24] | justinh: | try asking somebody who cares :) |
| [12:01:28] | hashbang: | justinh: sure, but the advantage that OTS appliances have is that the remote is designed in conjunction with the device |
| [12:01:54] | hashbang: | justinh: so the buttons actually have meaningful legends |
| [12:02:04] | justinh: | so use a remote with meaningful legends! |
| [12:02:16] | justinh: | not that it helps when keybindings aren't yet common |
| [12:02:22] | hashbang: | justinh: are there any that are designed for MythTV? |
| [12:02:32] | justinh: | programme details (aka show info) bound to U by default, FFS |
| [12:02:44] | justinh: | INFO brings up a menu, as does MENU. FFS |
| [12:02:45] | hashbang: | justinh: or have programmable legends? (bound to be spendy, though) |
| [12:02:56] | hashbang: | justinh: ah, you use a keyboard. |
| [12:03:02] | justinh: | so you need not one but TWO menu keys |
| [12:03:13] | justinh: | no, I use a remote & had to put bindings on illogical keys |
| [12:03:33] | justinh: | and then I ran out of buttons so can't access some of the features I'd like |
| [12:03:48] | Dibblah: | Maybe there should be "themes" for remotes? :) |
| [12:03:52] | justinh: | bah |
| [12:04:00] | hashbang: | Dibblah: that's kinda what I'm getting at |
| [12:04:06] | justinh: | maybe there needs to be more consistency instead |
| [12:04:10] | justinh: | (!) |
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| [12:04:49] | hashbang: | and, sadly, probably a more menu-driven interface (e.g. like the OSD) and less of a "now, in this mode, press X to do foo" |
| [12:04:57] | justinh: | nope |
| [12:05:01] | justinh: | I strongly disagree |
| [12:05:09] | justinh: | look at XBMC's OSD menu to see how bad that can get |
| [12:05:11] | tjcarter: | hashbang: Double-press this button for .... |
| [12:05:28] | justinh: | anyway, this is thoroughly depressing |
| [12:05:33] | hashbang: | heh |
| [12:05:40] | tjcarter: | sorry justinh =) |
| [12:05:45] | justinh: | sitting here yacking will change FA |
| [12:05:48] | ** tjcarter had to bring up multi-presses ** | |
| [12:06:02] | justinh: | SIX BUTTONS! |
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| [12:06:09] | hashbang: | tjcarter: I started off with a Sinclair Spectrum, so it brings back old memories... :-) |
| [12:06:35] | tjcarter: | the multi-presses really are needed when you only have 6 buttons |
| [12:06:47] | tjcarter: | but it scared away justinh ;) |
| [12:07:49] | quicksilver: | the modality of what keys mean sometimes is quite a big WAF blocker IME. |
| [12:08:02] | quicksilver: | Although possibly I just haven't quite figured out the right key bindings yet. |
| [12:08:22] | quicksilver: | the difference between 'Right' and 'Enter' feels like the worst, to me. |
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| [12:09:15] | clever: | i like being able to use Right like Enter sometimes |
| [12:09:20] | clever: | and Left as Esc |
| [12:09:28] | laga: | that'll go away with mythui AFAIK |
| [12:09:43] | clever: | cant you bring it back as a default off option? |
| [12:10:09] | Dibblah: | If you add an option, I'll break your legs. Personally speaking. ;) |
| [12:10:23] | clever: | you dont have to add it to the ui:P |
| [12:10:25] | laga: | haha |
| [12:10:28] | tjcarter: | I am for as few buttons as needed |
| [12:10:33] | tjcarter: | but you need more than 6 |
| [12:10:33] | clever: | you can just make it a hidden one in the db and maybe a doc file |
| [12:10:37] | directhex: | mac mini remote!!!!!!!!!! |
| [12:10:39] | tjcarter: | less than 40 =p |
| [12:10:40] | Dibblah: | clever: No. |
| [12:10:54] | laga: | clever: it won't work anymore. |
| [12:10:56] | Dibblah: | Adding more complexity to the code is _stupid_. |
| [12:11:39] | Dibblah: | Especially complexity designed to cover up bad UI choices. |
| [12:11:54] | clever: | about the bigest reason i can think of right now, is because escape and Left are on oposite sides of the keyboard |
| [12:11:58] | tjcarter: | down that path lies KDE |
| [12:12:10] | clever: | right and enter arent that far appart so they dont mater as much |
| [12:12:13] | Dibblah: | clever: Which part of 'remote' is foreign to you? |
| [12:12:22] | tjcarter: | ten million checkboxes and tweak controls for it to basically clone MS Windows ;) |
| [12:12:26] | clever: | my pvr150 receiver stoped working 2–3 dist-upgrades ago |
| [12:12:36] | clever: | it causes a kernel oops and cant receive anything |
| [12:12:55] | clever: | ive tried to fix it several times and asked for help several times, and never got it to work |
| [12:13:07] | Dibblah: | So? Downgrade. |
| [12:13:17] | clever: | back to 6.06 ? |
| [12:13:25] | clever: | thats 2 years old now |
| [12:13:36] | Dibblah: | It's a Myth box. |
| [12:13:41] | clever: | and i dont think it even has the right qt4 dev packages, which was the whole reason i upgraded |
| [12:14:07] | laga: | get a serial LIRC receiver for $5 |
| [12:14:09] | Dibblah: | ... If you don't know how to downgrade single packages... |
| [12:14:24] | Dibblah: | Much better – Get an MCEUSB or friends. |
| [12:14:26] | clever: | laga: i baught a serial receiver online a few years ago, it still hasnt arrived |
| [12:14:34] | tjcarter: | I am very much of the opinion that Myth should be an appliance, so KM is where I go |
| [12:14:45] | tjcarter: | Dibblah: just not a Pinnacle MCEUSB |
| [12:14:50] | tjcarter: | Dibblah: I hate the thing. |
| [12:14:50] | clever: | Dibblah: i would have to downgrade the kernel package, which ive done before on my master backend |
| [12:14:57] | Dibblah: | None of that silly software timing stuff. |
| [12:15:06] | clever: | Dibblah: and downgrading the kernel breaks nvidia, so i have to downgrade nvidia&xorg too |
| [12:15:12] | clever: | and now its not a 'single package' thing |
| [12:15:16] | Dibblah: | clever: You're still using the distro kernel? Interesting. |
| [12:15:49] | clever: | the only time ive used a custom kernel on ubuntu was to get debug symbols in lvm, and i wasnt able to reproduce the problem |
| [12:16:42] | ** tjcarter tried to build a custom kernel the ubuntu way once, gave up ** | |
| [12:16:51] | clever: | my master is using a 6.06 kernel on 8.04, for lirc blaster problems |
| [12:16:51] | clever: | the new serial blaster source blinks, but doesnt control anything |
| [12:16:51] | clever: | and the old source wont compile |
| [12:16:59] | tjcarter: | way more trouble than it was worth |
| [12:17:00] | clever: | the old source wont even compile against the old kernel |
| [12:17:26] | clever: | im stuck using year old .ko files with the exact kernel i made them with |
| [12:17:51] | clever: | and those .ko's have the irq/io hard coded so i cant change the serial port i use |
| [12:17:58] | Dibblah: | How Things Are Supposed To Work, part 1: The module is matched to the kernel. |
| [12:18:16] | Dibblah: | clever: modinfo / module options. |
| [12:18:21] | clever: | the binary module is matched with the binary kernel |
| [12:18:35] | clever: | but i beleive the source can be thrown at any binary+config and made to work |
| [12:18:44] | clever: | enless there are api changes |
| [12:19:15] | Dibblah: | Which happens quite often. |
| [12:19:29] | clever: | vermagic: 2.6.22-14–386 mod_unload 486 |
| [12:19:30] | Dibblah: | So, generally, most modules are not portable. |
| [12:19:52] | clever: | thats the modinfo for my lirc_dev.ko which i saved ages ago and have working just fine |
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| [12:20:17] | clever: | i manualy downloaded the .deb with the matching kernel binary and used dpkg to force it into the system without apt(not in new repo) |
| [12:20:30] | Dibblah: | Seriously. Get proper hardware and all of your miscellaneous issues disappear. |
| [12:20:56] | Dibblah: | Running Myth on "what you have lying around" may work, but it's not a rewarding use of time. |
| [12:20:57] | clever: | so the pvr150 receiver isnt 'proper' ? |
| [12:21:19] | Dibblah: | AFAIR, it's not well supported. |
| [12:21:35] | clever: | it was working just fine back on 6.06 |
| [12:21:52] | laga: | used to work fine for me |
| [12:21:53] | clever: | i should try booting my master backend into lenny and see how that handles things |
| [12:22:07] | laga: | clever: maybe if you file a bug report in launchpad.. |
| [12:22:31] | clever: | laga: i was using lirc source that wasnt in the ubuntu repo, so it might not exactly be covered |
| [12:22:53] | clever: | and the lirc that ubuntu automaticaly installed&compiled with the nifty dkms cant blast over serial |
| [12:23:12] | tjcarter: | Dibblah: It's not? =D |
| [12:23:20] | clever: | it finaly has load time options for irq/io(not compile time) but that doesnt do much good if it doesnt work |
| [12:23:24] | laga: | it should be able to these days. |
| [12:23:28] | laga: | there was a bug |
| [12:23:33] | tjcarter: | Dibblah: pvr-150 is about as standard as you can get! |
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| [12:24:06] | Dibblah: | tjcarter: The card. Not the IR blaster / receiver portion. |
| [12:24:15] | tjcarter: | ah |
| [12:24:27] | clever: | install process for lenny started, with compile packages disabled |
| [12:24:30] | tjcarter: | yeah, IR changes with revisions a bit too much |
| [12:24:46] | tjcarter: | these days you're better off with MCE USB receiver/blaster |
| [12:24:52] | tjcarter: | for full plug-and-pray |
| [12:25:01] | clever: | i think i was using the lirc_i2c driver |
| [12:25:21] | clever: | i was going to buy a usb receiver to use with my frame grabber a few years ago |
| [12:25:30] | clever: | but dad hinted to not buy myself stuff before x-mas |
| [12:25:39] | clever: | then i got the pvr150 and that solved everythign:P |
| [12:25:55] | clever: | im lucky he didnt get a framegrabber with ir receiver:P |
| [12:26:02] | clever: | he had no idea what the features where |
| [12:27:15] | tjcarter: | Ubuntu disappoints with the names |
| [12:27:22] | tjcarter: | 8.04 should have been Hungry Hippo |
| [12:27:27] | clever: | lol |
| [12:27:36] | clever: | im looking into using debian on my network based systems |
| [12:32:11] | clever: | i might be getting an STB with firewire, so the pvr150 may be getting less work later on |
| [12:32:25] | clever: | and i can probly retire the framegrabber for good if that happens |
| [12:36:43] | laga: | i need to watch moar TV |
| [12:37:44] | clever: | same, atleast half my recordings are unwatched |
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| [13:44:39] | justinh: | I wondered how long it'd be before the novelty of 'concept' wore off. Bored already |
| [13:47:36] | tjcarter: | For the record... Who would invest their money with a guy whose name sounds like "Made off" ... |
| [13:47:44] | tjcarter: | as in, with your money. =p |
| [13:48:09] | justinh: | who cares? it's not their own money! |
| [13:48:35] | tjcarter: | IIRC, it was |
| [13:49:19] | tjcarter: | It wasn't MY money thankfully. =D |
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| [13:52:42] | clever: | crap |
| [13:52:50] | clever: | apt just went and removed 2.6.22 |
| [13:52:58] | clever: | i need that to run my ir blaster |
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| [13:55:00] | justinh: | wish I had a willing minion to work on the boring cruft I don't want to have to deal with |
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| [14:51:11] | justinh: | gonna have to have a crack at doing that calendar gadget to make any progress on this theme. and all because one screen lacks 'va va voom'. pfff |
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| [14:58:20] | justinh: | oopsie. screwed up on my holiday form so I finish tomorrow instead. |
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| [15:04:44] | mchou: | daate |
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| [15:20:59] | AriX_: | Hey People |
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| [16:14:09] | Zzeiss: | What's the current recommendation for an "one disk to Myth" distribution? MythDora 5.0? Something else? |
| [16:14:42] | dustybin: | mythbuntu |
| [16:15:01] | Zzeiss: | Dusty: OK. Lemme look. (thanks!) |
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| [16:25:19] | ** iamlindoro_ wonders why 1/3rd of the messages on the users list these days are "OT – $SomeGeneralComputingProblem" ** | |
| [16:29:08] | jm|home: | hmm |
| [16:29:26] | jm|home: | in place of rtfm how do I move a whole bunch of recorded programs into a different new group? |
| [16:29:37] | tjcarter: | Subject: OT – Why are there so many complaints about this mailing list? |
| [16:31:07] | iamlindoro_: | jm|home: Tag each with / then you can press M |
| [16:31:26] | jm|home: | neato! |
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| [16:31:36] | dustybin: | anybody know how to format my hard drive in XFS format? |
| [16:32:01] | jm|home: | man mkfs.xfs ? |
| [16:32:02] | dustybin: | actually, ill post on the users list instead |
| [16:32:26] | ** iamlindoro_ smiles delightedly at a new reason to complain about the users list ** | |
| [16:34:06] | jm|home: | iamlindoro_: hmm, all tagged. Playlist options > Change recording group? |
| [16:34:33] | iamlindoro_: | jm|home: Yep |
| [16:34:35] | cesman: | LOL! |
| [16:34:41] | ** jm|home only sees 'default' ** | |
| [16:35:13] | iamlindoro_: | Erm, actually, maybe that's not the right command-- / is to tag a group, but without looking at it I can't be sure about moving groups |
| [16:35:33] | ** jm|home googles ** | |
| [16:36:37] | iamlindoro_: | It's probably not recording group that you want, what are your other options? |
| [16:36:49] | jm|home: | playback group |
| [16:36:55] | jm|home: | I have changed recording group in the schedule |
| [16:37:09] | iamlindoro_: | Playback group should be what you want |
| [16:37:24] | iamlindoro_: | (assuming I understand correctly what you want) |
| [16:37:43] | jm|home: | (assuming *I* understand correctly what I want) |
| [16:38:06] | jm|home: | I was CSI to use a different recording/playback group |
| [16:38:14] | jm|home: | for filtering purposes, I guess |
| [16:38:30] | jm|home: | some pages say mv files then update recorded table with new group |
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| [16:38:56] | jm|home: | s/was/want/ |
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| [16:42:31] | ron_o: | I have recently found out that ALSA really doesn't support HDMI sound. Does it support DVI sound? If I get a DVI to HDMI cable, will that work? |
| [16:43:02] | iamlindoro_: | ron_o: DVI doesn't do sound |
| [16:43:05] | sid3windr: | dvi sound =) |
| [16:43:10] | iamlindoro_: | and ALSA will do HDMI audio just fine |
| [16:43:23] | ** jm|home isn't sure DVI carries sound ** | |
| [16:43:26] | iamlindoro_: | Or I'm just *really* imaginative when watching movies ;) |
| [16:43:37] | sid3windr: | jm|home: I'm sure it doesn't ;) |
| [16:43:38] | ron_o: | iamlindoro_, i'm researching it right now... which ALSA version? |
| [16:44:41] | iamlindoro_: | 1.0.18 I believe |
| [16:44:50] | iamlindoro_: | But that will depend entirely on your device |
| [16:45:02] | iamlindoro_: | Some HDMI audio works great in linux, some doesn't work at all |
| [16:45:40] | ron_o: | yah, I'm using a p5n-em HDMI Asus board. |
| [16:45:59] | iamlindoro_: | Which is whose video/audio? |
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| [16:46:08] | jm|home: | myth just scouts around the storage groups seemingly whatever the db says or wherever the file is stored! |
| [16:46:09] | jm|home: | cool. |
| [16:46:33] | iamlindoro_: | yeah, it's a nice touch |
| [16:46:42] | iamlindoro_: | you can move files around so long as they're always in *a* storage group |
| [16:46:48] | ron_o: | Nvidia chipset, with Realtek ALC883 audio. |
| [16:46:52] | jm|home: | I see. |
| [16:46:54] | jm|home: | iamlindoro_: thanks. |
| [16:46:56] | Zzeiss: | Is there any way to tell a Myth box to _not_ record ATSC HD at full quality, but rather to compress more to get fewer gigabytes per hour? |
| [16:47:09] | iamlindoro_: | Zzeiss: Not on the fly, you can transcode after the fact |
| [16:47:28] | iamlindoro_: | ron_o: And that's not an HDMI audio passthrough? |
| [16:47:43] | ron_o: | I finally got my sound to just work with the very latest stable Ubuntu kernel. |
| [16:47:50] | Zzeiss: | iamlindoro: will setting that in the "options" page per show do that? |
| [16:47:59] | ron_o: | iamlindoro_, it must be. It's a built in Video card. |
| [16:48:00] | ron_o: | no? |
| [16:48:38] | iamlindoro_: | ron_o: No, what I'm saying is some (most) HDMI audio is passthrough from the sound card instead of a discrete audio device. Sometimes requires jumpering with a cable, even on motherboard video |
| [16:48:39] | jm|home: | agh |
| [16:48:45] | jm|home: | now I have orphaned pngs |
| [16:49:02] | ron_o: | I see. |
| [16:49:16] | iamlindoro_: | Zzeiss: If you have properly set up your transcode profiles/etc. and you set each recording rule to auto-transcode, yes. |
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| [16:50:45] | iamlindoro_: | jm|home: myth.find_orphans.pl |
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| [16:51:46] | ron_o: | iamlindoro_, then it must be my board then. Perhaps soon there will be support for it. |
| [16:52:14] | ron_o: | just curious if I went to DVI it might solve my problems. Most likely not. |
| [16:53:05] | ron_o: | the thing is it isn't that new of a board and I did look hard before I bought it, but there's never any guarantee with linux. Ho hum. :/ |
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| [16:53:28] | jm|home: | iamlindoro_: hehe the mythweb generates them anyway |
| [16:53:30] | jm|home: | I just rmed them |
| [16:53:59] | iamlindoro_: | ron_o: You'll get no audio whatsoever from DVI, so it won't get you where you want to go |
| [16:54:14] | ron_o: | you mean HDMI, no? |
| [16:54:20] | ron_o: | oh, I read wrong. |
| [16:54:21] | ron_o: | ok. |
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| [16:54:46] | ron_o: | they say you can connect the sound card directly to the TV, so I'll give that one a whirl. |
| [16:54:47] | iamlindoro_: | Anyway, my P5N7A-VM has nvidia graphics which include discrete HDMI audio chips, and works well with ALSA 1.0.18 |
| [16:55:20] | ron_o: | iamlindoro_, that's a great start. I'll keep note of that and see what's up. |
| [16:55:22] | iamlindoro_: | Plus fully sexy hardware accel of VC-1, h.264 and MPEG-1/2, so yay that board |
| [16:55:25] | ron_o: | which kernel? |
| [16:55:29] | iamlindoro_: | 2.6.27 ATM |
| [16:56:06] | ron_o: | I'm using 2.6.24-22-generic |
| [16:56:11] | iamlindoro_: | pretty old |
| [16:56:41] | ron_o: | but I'd just rather wait until the kernel is officially supported and in the repository. My computer *is* still functional. That's most important right now. |
| [16:56:43] | ron_o: | :) |
| [16:56:49] | iamlindoro_: | What distro? |
| [16:56:55] | ron_o: | Ubuntu 8.04 |
| [16:57:03] | ron_o: | it's up to date too. |
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| [16:57:15] | iamlindoro_: | Could just move to the current Ubuntu |
| [16:57:38] | ron_o: | I was th inking that, but then I'd lost everything without an official upgrade. |
| [16:57:51] | iamlindoro_: | hmm? No you wouldn't |
| [16:58:04] | iamlindoro_: | Just do it the official way |
| [16:58:06] | ron_o: | I mean for my OS and progs and such. |
| [16:58:13] | jm|home: | CLI mysql ftw |
| [16:58:13] | iamlindoro_: | right, you can keep all that |
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| [16:59:08] | ron_o: | the update manager isn't offering anything of an upgrade. Is there another official way? |
| [16:59:56] | styelz: | hi, im attempting to compile current from svn just wondering if i need the xv opengl support for my nvidia card, or can i forget that? |
| [16:59:57] | ron_o: | sorry, I guess I misspoke. It's Xubuntu. |
| [17:00:02] | iamlindoro_: | doesn't matter |
| [17:00:08] | ron_o: | ok. |
| [17:00:23] | iamlindoro_: | there's some setting in Ubuntu's update control panel where you tell it to look for updates to just this version, for new versions, etc. |
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| [17:00:34] | iamlindoro_: | It's set by default to only check for updates to that version |
| [17:01:34] | ** jm|home isn't sure he even /wants/ thumbnails ** | |
| [17:01:46] | styelz: | yea, pre release updates |
| [17:02:07] | iamlindoro_: | ron_o: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading |
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| [17:02:28] | styelz: | can anyone tell me what -dev package i need on ubuntu for xvopengl support ? |
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| [17:03:25] | styelz: | i cant seem to find the right one, and im tired of installing -dev packaged |
| [17:03:31] | ron_o: | iamlindoro_, thanks. I'll look into it. But I still don't have an official backup yet (other issues, don't ask).. so I'm hesitant to cause potential problems, you know. :) |
| [17:03:48] | iamlindoro_: | yep |
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| [17:04:27] | ron_o: | it's a great start. But I've already seen threads where an upgrade didn't make a difference with those using my mobo (or like mine).. |
| [17:04:47] | iamlindoro_: | upgrade wouldn't, but 8.10 doesn't include 1.0.18 AFAIK |
| [17:05:05] | iamlindoro_: | if 1.0.18 *was* to make a difference, you'd have to build it yourself |
| [17:05:51] | ron_o: | hehe, some other time. :) |
| [17:05:59] | GreyFoxx: | http://investor.tivo.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=353293 |
| [17:06:06] | ron_o: | thanks though. I'm in the right direction for sure. |
| [17:06:08] | GreyFoxx: | Ahahaha All your pause screens belong to us |
| [17:06:20] | ** iamlindoro_ gives tivo the finger ** | |
| [17:06:53] | ** iamlindoro_ points out that Alviso is NOT a city ** | |
| [17:07:03] | iamlindoro_: | it's just a landfill on the north end of my city |
| [17:07:14] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: I took a quick look and the main problem with that myttube stuff is that your calling the channel->name() without the constructor having ever been called and it's trying to access uninitialized data |
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| [17:07:26] | iamlindoro_: | For serious-- it's a *part* of San Jose, don't act like it's its own town |
| [17:07:35] | GreyFoxx: | I'd have to look at other stuff that uses the mythuibuttonlist to know what should be done to fix it |
| [17:08:07] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: Good to know, thanks... wonder why it only reared its head now |
| [17:08:40] | GreyFoxx: | from a very quick look it just happens that the search stuff doesn't reference any of the stuff that needs to be filled in first |
| [17:08:52] | GreyFoxx: | "stuff" ... don't you love that word? |
| [17:08:57] | GreyFoxx: | So vague and non specific ?:) |
| [17:09:01] | iamlindoro_: | Helpful ;) |
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| [17:10:39] | GreyFoxx: | in ChannelScreen::ChannelScreen, m_channel = channel; never gets filled in since we are passed a null feedChannel |
| [17:11:07] | GreyFoxx: | I'll try to take another look tonight |
| [17:11:23] | iamlindoro_: | If you can, great, i you can't, no worries |
| [17:11:36] | iamlindoro_: | I didn't write the broken code in the first place so I'm not going to kill myself fixing it ;) |
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| [17:27:01] | iamlindoro_: | styelz: Question probably belongs here-- did you --enable-opengl-vsync? |
| [17:27:14] | styelz: | ah ok |
| [17:27:23] | styelz: | no i didnt |
| [17:27:29] | iamlindoro_: | Then that's why it says no ;) |
| [17:27:50] | styelz: | heh. thanks |
| [17:28:08] | styelz: | i can see it now on the google searches |
| [17:28:30] | styelz: | wasnt sure what to look for |
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| [17:29:43] | iamlindoro_: | styelz: ./configure --help may help in the future |
| [17:30:06] | styelz: | thanks.. i was following http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu-8.10_Source_Install |
| [17:30:15] | styelz: | but wasnt mentions |
| [17:30:39] | styelz: | now i am wondering if i need it |
| [17:30:41] | styelz: | heh |
| [17:31:41] | ** iamlindoro_ wonders why people keeping writng howtos which willfully ignore the "apt-get build-dep" command ** | |
| [17:33:43] | jm|home: | + |
| [17:33:46] | jm|home: | oops |
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| [17:43:05] | styelz: | mm, im getting this now. |
| [17:43:07] | styelz: | Disabling XvMC-opengl. It is only available when linking against libXvMCNVIDIA |
| [17:43:20] | styelz: | and i have used --xvmc-lib=libXvMCNVIDIA |
| [17:43:41] | styelz: | am i being a knob? |
| [17:44:52] | iamlindoro_: | does libxvmcnvidia exist? If so, you will need to give the absolute path to it |
| [17:45:22] | iamlindoro_: | Moreover, if the lib exists and is osmewhere normal, you shouldn't need to use --xvmc-lib at all |
| [17:45:35] | iamlindoro_: | so long as you --enable-xvmc |
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| [17:45:53] | Aval0n: | who has had success with picking up good HDTV with regular rabbit ears? |
| [17:46:25] | iamlindoro_: | Aval0n: You'd need to be within practically-literal spitting distance from the transmitter |
| [17:46:45] | Aval0n: | my friend says he gets it with a paperclip |
| [17:46:54] | styelz: | iamlindoro_: yea, /usr/lib/libXvMCNVIDIA.so and others |
| [17:46:59] | iamlindoro_: | your friend is a moh-ran |
| [17:47:04] | Aval0n: | and he's at least 20 miles away |
| [17:47:20] | Aval0n: | from the main xmitter |
| [17:47:25] | Aval0n: | hehe |
| [17:47:41] | Aval0n: | i've been getting mine via QAM |
| [17:47:47] | Aval0n: | but cox is switching it up all the time now |
| [17:47:52] | Aval0n: | getting annoying |
| [17:47:57] | Aval0n: | so I was going to move to OTA |
| [17:48:06] | styelz: | and ldconfig shows. libXvMCNVIDIA_dynamic.so.1 (libc6) => /usr/lib/libXvMCNVIDIA_dynamic.so.1 |
| [17:49:23] | iamlindoro_: | styelz: configure should find it automatically if you --enable-xvmc, you shouldn't need to put --xvmc-lib at all |
| [17:49:54] | styelz: | oh sorry, yep, the default is -lXvMCW |
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| [17:50:36] | styelz: | ok that worked |
| [17:51:01] | styelz: | so XvMC OpenGL sup. no .. this is ok ? |
| [17:51:06] | styelz: | for nvidia card |
| [17:51:09] | iamlindoro_: | It's fine |
| [17:51:13] | styelz: | ah |
| [17:51:19] | iamlindoro_: | if you don't know what something is, don't go enabling it |
| [17:51:21] | styelz: | sorry i have no idea |
| [17:51:25] | styelz: | ok |
| [17:51:44] | styelz: | i was after OpenGL vsync yes though |
| [17:52:09] | styelz: | or should i not bother at all, and go defaults |
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| [17:52:37] | iamlindoro_: | If you need xvmc, enable xvmc. If not, not. But don't flip switches when you don't know if you need them or what they do |
| [17:52:55] | iamlindoro_: | having everything enabled is *far* more likely to break your build than to give you some l33t-super-build |
| [17:52:59] | Floppy76: | evening all – I'm having trouble with mythmusic, and wondered if anyone had the same thing. Every now and again, randomly, it will just start fast-forwarding through tracks silently |
| [17:53:00] | styelz: | ok |
| [17:53:37] | styelz: | are they ogg ? |
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| [17:54:03] | Floppy76: | most are, yes |
| [17:54:14] | styelz: | i had to reencode my oggs |
| [17:54:14] | Floppy76: | but I've had it happen on mp3 tracks as well |
| [17:54:20] | styelz: | ah ok |
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| [17:54:33] | styelz: | havent had issues with mp3 |
| [17:54:39] | Floppy76: | fairly random, no pattern, not triggered by a particular file |
| [17:54:49] | Floppy76: | have you seen something similar with ogg? |
| [17:54:49] | styelz: | nope |
| [17:55:16] | styelz: | all my oggs wouldnt play for some reason |
| [17:55:36] | styelz: | not similar |
| [17:55:37] | Floppy76: | hm, ok, sounds a bit different, but thanks :) |
| [17:56:01] | Floppy76: | I get thousands of "WriteAudio: buffer underrun" messages in the frontend log when it happens |
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| [17:56:33] | styelz: | sure you arent sitting on your remote |
| [17:56:40] | Floppy76: | it used to be fixed by skipping to next track, but since 0.21 I have to quit mythmusic and go back in to recover it |
| [17:56:41] | styelz: | ;) |
| [17:56:45] | Floppy76: | hehe, sure :) |
| [17:57:05] | Floppy76: | although sometimes it does recover itself after a while |
| [17:57:07] | Floppy76: | very wierd |
| [17:57:46] | ** styelz hides his Ninja Remote ** | |
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| [18:05:40] | styelz: | spoze i better go watch a movie, i heard this takes hours |
| [18:05:51] | iamlindoro_: | Watching movies? Quite often. |
| [18:06:01] | styelz: | heh |
| [18:06:14] | iamlindoro_: | anyway, compiling myth on any decent machine shouldn't take *that* long at all |
| [18:06:18] | styelz: | exactly |
| [18:06:25] | iamlindoro_: | 10–20 minutes |
| [18:06:28] | styelz: | its only a p4 2.4 |
| [18:06:35] | styelz: | and im watching tvc on it |
| [18:06:37] | iamlindoro_: | OK, so a bit longer, but still not *hours* anyway |
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| [18:06:54] | styelz: | ok |
| [18:06:59] | clever: | i used to distcc it over 6–7 systems at once:P |
| [18:07:18] | iamlindoro_: | The most important step in any myth build is to completely disregard every word typed by clever |
| [18:07:19] | clever: | but its gotten to be so much work to make shure the hosts file matches the hosts that are actualy online and running the right gcc |
| [18:07:28] | styelz: | heh |
| [18:07:30] | clever: | so im not using distcc now |
| [18:07:39] | iamlindoro_: | I hear myth runs 2x faster if you tell clever what a complete tool he is |
| [18:07:40] | clever: | which means, if you disregaurd what i said, you must use distcc:P |
| [18:07:52] | iamlindoro_: | 4x if you tell him to get a job |
| [18:08:09] | iamlindoro_: | This explains why my system runs so fast |
| [18:08:18] | clever: | iamlindoro_: i found you a friend, some1 who is just as disgusted with me as you are:P |
| [18:08:29] | iamlindoro_: | I like him/her already |
| [18:08:34] | clever: | i also found out why my binarys are getting 'dameged' all the file |
| [18:08:38] | clever: | prelink! |
| [18:08:56] | jduggan: | u mean time |
| [18:08:57] | jduggan: | ? |
| [18:09:00] | iamlindoro_: | besides, I have lots of people in this very channel who are disgusted with you |
| [18:09:01] | jduggan: | all the time? |
| [18:09:07] | clever: | prelink runs in crontab and edits the binary of every program to insert prelinking info to improve startup times |
| [18:09:20] | clever: | which explains why the md5 of packages was constantly being 'damaged' |
| [18:09:44] | clever: | and editing the binarys over nfs with a shared /bin/ may also be the cause of all my bus errors |
| [18:10:08] | clever: | and prelink running on 3 systems at once thru crontab, editing the same files, cant help either |
| [18:10:29] | laga: | iamlindoro_: why the file system check do you care what he does? |
| [18:10:52] | clever: | ive stoped prelink and it should stop returning now |
| [18:11:17] | iamlindoro_: | laga: I don't care what he does, I care that he opens his mouth and confuses people who are trying to learn to do things the *right* way |
| [18:11:49] | clever: | i am good at spewing long complicated explanations to confuse people:P |
| [18:12:03] | iamlindoro_: | someone grasping at straws could quite easily come to believe that random crap he does is what they should be doing, and it that respect he is actively harmful |
| [18:12:11] | iamlindoro_: | s/it/in/ |
| [18:12:26] | kormoc: | laga, it does get very tiring when you talk to someone else about something and he sees a 'keyword' and starts reciting wikipedia to prove he knows what two unrelated folks are talking bout |
| [18:12:33] | clever: | ive helped people in here before when you where too lazy to get off the couch and help them:P |
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| [18:12:57] | a1fa: | say what |
| [18:13:12] | laga: | clever: aren't you constantly sitting on a couch? ;) |
| [18:13:16] | clever: | i helped somebody with apache permision problems before, and none of that i learned or even found later on wikipedia |
| [18:13:32] | clever: | laga: the hinges in my laptop lcd panel are toast, so i have to leave it on a desk now |
| [18:13:44] | clever: | the panel slams shut without warning if i take my hand off it |
| [18:13:57] | clever: | but i can prop it up on the desk without a problem |
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| [18:14:31] | laga: | okay, i get the point. ;) not everyone wanted to know that |
| [18:15:08] | clever: | i need to delete recordings more, down to 300mb |
| [18:15:49] | iamlindoro_: | I need to inhale, my red blood cells are deoxygenated |
| [18:16:01] | iamlindoro_: | I need to use the bathroom, my bladder is full |
| [18:16:05] | iamlindoro_: | oh look, something shiny! |
| [18:16:09] | clever: | lol |
| [18:16:57] | clever: | attleast im staying on the topic of mythtv:P |
| [18:18:19] | iamlindoro_: | clever: Why should have to tolerate the *bare minimum* of behavior from you all the time? |
| [18:18:27] | kormoc: | laga, now granted, I just have him on /ignore, but the poor new folks to the channel... |
| [18:18:48] | clever: | i'll just go and delete my recordings in silence:P |
| [18:18:59] | iamlindoro_: | That would be a refreshing change |
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| [18:23:50] | CCFL_Man: | iamlindoro_: my one dcII IRD has changed it's unit address, was changed when i got it, so i'm going to have to have it repaired |
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| [18:37:15] | sphery: | Why do people get so excited to find a capture card, "That might be perfect for recording HDTV over Component"? Haven't they heard about the HD-PVR? Haven't they seen how much time/effort is involved in just making that one card (for which information was provided by the manufacturer) work? Do they really need something else? |
| [18:37:32] | GreyFoxx: | It's all about choice and price :) |
| [18:37:44] | GreyFoxx: | if they think they found the hidden cheap treasure they will go for it :) |
| [18:38:37] | iamlindoro_: | That particular one is a joke too... note it has *no* h.264 support, encode or decode |
| [18:41:20] | sphery: | So, my big challenge today is convincing a user who says that "Extra Disk Space" is a global setting--as evidenced by the code--when he thinks it's not... It was even a global setting in 0.20, so I don't know why he thinks he has "the default of 10" (though the default is actually 1) on the master but 30 on the slave backend... |
| [18:42:02] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Thought you summed it up nicely in the last e-mail |
| [18:43:59] | sphery: | I hope someone responds helpfully to the, "how to add one language option inordkuo Mythfrontend=>Apperance=>Localization" message (that's buried in another) as someone is actually wanting to help, but just got, "Wrong thread + html encoded mail", which could be confusing or de-motivational. |
| [18:49:27] | inordkuo: | sphery: is my name in there for a reason? |
| [18:52:31] | sphery: | inordkuo: sorry... I guess that the subject that I copied had "in<Tab>", so when I pasted it, it became, "in<auto-complete"... |
| [18:52:50] | sphery: | I didn't notice that--first time that what I pasted turned out to be different from what I sent... :) |
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| [18:57:20] | inordkuo: | sphery: ah ok. funny coincidence bc i just opened up the chat window and saw my name in your message. |
| [18:59:55] | sphery: | Yeah, guess I have to read what I paste from now on. (Or paste to vi--where I always enable "set list" so I can see tabs--and then to irssi.) |
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| [19:25:23] | iamlindoro_: | Argh, I cannot for the life of me find a satellite mount for the situation I'm in... Need one that's sort of L-shaped, so that I can attach to the *inside of my deck and then hook around it (so that it's mounted on my property but pokes out of it |
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| [19:26:29] | iamlindoro_: | Hmm, maybe a eave-mount would be better, then I could hook under and gain a few feet elevation too |
| [19:27:42] | Zzeiss: | iamlindoro: have you considered just making something out of threaded steel pipe? |
| [19:28:24] | iamlindoro_: | Zzeiss: It's a possibility if nothing else comes up, would be nice to have something pre-fab but I'll definitely go that route if I must |
| [19:29:28] | iamlindoro_: | Something like the top item here might do the trick http://www.hometech.com/video/satmount.html |
| [19:29:34] | Zzeiss: | iamlindoro: just give it a nice coat of spray paint before you put it up, so the neighbors think it's supposed to be that way. :) |
| [19:29:58] | iamlindoro_: | Heh |
| [19:30:17] | iamlindoro_: | Thankfully I'm on pretty good terms with the neighbors, as I am going to have to get a bit creative to get line of sight |
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| [19:50:56] | iamlindoro_: | Interesting, xine's new VDPAU implementation doesn't use libav* |
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| [19:52:22] | GreyFoxx: | yeah they've been working on their own stuff |
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| [19:55:06] | J-e-f-f-A_: | iamlindoro_: Which Sat provider... <might have missed it, just coming on> |
| [19:55:43] | J-e-f-f-A_ is now known as J-e-f-f-A|work | |
| [19:55:44] | iamlindoro_: | J-e-f-f-A_: For now none at all (just goofing with Sat equipment)-- may go dish network depending of what birds I can get pointed |
| [19:56:17] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro_: Because Dish is switching to 61.5/72/77 very soon... 110 and 119 will be obsolote for dish soon. |
| [19:56:48] | iamlindoro_: | J-e-f-f-A|work: How in the world will they manage that, since MANY of their subs have barely a line of sight to what there is? |
| [19:56:56] | iamlindoro_: | and what about 129 and 148? |
| [19:57:36] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro_: 72 and 77 are much higher in the sky, at least on the East coast. Humm... Perhaps they're just 'adding' 72 and 77? |
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| [19:58:01] | Chutt: | speaking of vdpau – has the white osd gone away for people other than gbee as well? |
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| [19:59:58] | styelz: | is it normal to have just a black screen, during the mythtv-setup upgrade DB process ? |
| [20:00:06] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro_: Humm, yeah, forgot that people on the other side of the US can't see the 61.5 bird probably... so you'd probably have to use 110/119/148, or something newer if they replace those birds. |
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| [20:00:36] | styelz: | its been like, 5 minutes now.. chugging away |
| [20:00:52] | iamlindoro_: | J-e-f-f-A|work: as I understand it the 129 bird is moving to 148 and the new Ciel II bird is going to 129. I just don't know what they're going to put on 148, which I can easily aim |
| [20:01:13] | styelz: | oh here we go.. n/m |
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| [20:01:49] | iamlindoro_: | J-e-f-f-A|work: If they make the "new" 148 anything besides the international channel bird it is right now, and if I can (Baaarely) aim 129 then I can probably get Dish |
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| [20:06:42] | th0br0: | hey, I'm wondering: has anyone of you guys got some win(32bit) binaries that he'd like to share? :D I'm rather... unmotivated to compile 0.21 myself. |
| [20:07:41] | iamlindoro_: | th0br0: You'll have to do it, it's many many gigabytes |
| [20:07:56] | th0br0: | seriously? I mean, ... o.O |
| [20:08:01] | th0br0: | I doubt hat "many gigabytes" |
| [20:08:05] | th0br0: | +t |
| [20:08:20] | directhex: | wrong |
| [20:08:26] | th0br0: | ok :D |
| [20:08:28] | directhex: | i'm one of the fw who succeeded |
| [20:08:31] | directhex: | it was ~5 gig |
| [20:08:35] | th0br0: | aww... |
| [20:08:38] | th0br0: | why so big? |
| [20:08:59] | directhex: | because it's not even pre-alpha quality as a port |
| [20:09:05] | th0br0: | ah ok. |
| [20:09:10] | th0br0: | thanks then. |
| [20:09:15] | th0br0: | is the port currently being worked on? |
| [20:09:50] | th0br0: | (brb, 20min) |
| [20:11:58] | iamlindoro_: | I don't think anyone is doing much besides poking at it and keeping it compiling ATM |
| [20:12:00] | kormoc: | it's not really a port so much as a build target, and if it's not being worked on, why does it exist? |
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| [20:19:22] | jackson__: | Neato, my just recieved Asus EN8400GS SILENT 512MB is indeed g98 :) |
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| [20:24:52] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro_: Well, here on the east coast, 110/119/61.5 gets you all the HD now. They just put 72 and 77 up, and have a new triple-lnb antenna for 61.5/72/77 for dish HD. |
| [20:25:41] | iamlindoro_: | J-e-f-f-A|work: Think everyone here does 110/119/129 for same |
| [20:26:41] | iamlindoro_: | I'm a little surprised they don't take more advantage of their 148 orbital location, as a LOT of people with poor line of sight southeast can likely get that one |
| [20:29:46] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro_: Humm... I can't even get 129 up here.. it's at like 8 degrees elevation for me... |
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| [20:30:14] | RyeBrye: | so is g98 one of the better nvidia chipsets to get? i.e. does purevideo hd 3 or whatever it's called? |
| [20:30:16] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | 61.5 is 45 degrees up for me — no problem whatsoever. 72/77 are 40 degrees for me – no problem there either... |
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| [20:30:50] | iamlindoro_: | RyeBrye: g98 is the only chip which supports VC1/WMV offload |
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| [20:31:06] | RyeBrye: | Cool. And that 8400GS silent is dirt cheap too |
| [20:31:19] | RyeBrye: | $29.99 after $10 MIR |
| [20:31:40] | jackson__: | yup, just finished playing the sample vc1 and wmv3 clips via VDPAU :) |
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| [20:31:57] | RyeBrye: | Is there a list of g98 cards somewhere |
| [20:31:58] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | RyeBrye: Wow – where? |
| [20:32:05] | RyeBrye: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121235 |
| [20:32:16] | RyeBrye: | If that's the same card that jackson__ is talking about |
| [20:32:31] | RyeBrye: | I assume – since it's an ASUS EN8400GS 512MB silent... |
| [20:32:44] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work whips out his CREDIT CARD... (What were you thinking!) ;-) ** | |
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| [20:32:53] | RyeBrye: | buy me one too! :) |
| [20:32:54] | XLV: | 8400gs isnt g84? |
| [20:33:08] | RyeBrye: | jackson__ says it's g98 |
| [20:33:16] | jackson__: | The FlightSim wmv clip via xv ~ 60% cpu on a x2 5600 (one a single core) – with VDPAU 1% |
| [20:33:19] | ** RyeBrye moves out of the way – sincehe has no idea ** | |
| [20:33:36] | jackson__: | Nope, this card is g98 A2 |
| [20:34:00] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | RyeBrye: Is the heatsink really as thin as the slot cover? It looks massive in the side view... ;-) |
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| [20:34:53] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | it is massive... strange they don't show it in the 'slot view' angle... the 'whole bundle' image shows how big it is... ;-) |
| [20:34:56] | RyeBrye: | J-e-f-f-A|work: I don't have that card... I just found the link :) jackson__ might know :) |
| [20:34:58] | iamlindoro_: | Early 8400 GS were one CPU, current ones are G98 |
| [20:35:19] | jackson__: | Right, if it says it's PCIe 2.0, then it's the g98 as I understand it. |
| [20:35:24] | RyeBrye: | Do they list them somewhere? I have a GeForce 9500 GT that I bought recently – (before VDPAU, so I didn't even really CARE about the chipset much – I just wanted a reasonably cheap card that did HDMI) |
| [20:36:14] | jackson__: | NewEgg didn't list this Asus EN8400GS SILENT 512MB as PCIe2.0, but the ASUS website did. |
| [20:37:33] | RyeBrye: | my lspci -nn | grep VGA output is: "01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation GeForce 9500 GT [10de:0640] (rev a1)" |
| [20:37:49] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | RyeBrye: That link doesn't say it's PCIe 2.0 ... |
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| [20:38:07] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | jackson__: Ah ^^^ ok. |
| [20:38:15] | jackson__: | Also, with 180.16, my nforce 750a gpu supports vc-1/wmv3 (biostar tpower n750a) :) |
| [20:41:04] | jackson__: | Here's the output of nvclock showing g98 – http://pastebin.com/m7ed134d4 |
| [20:46:20] | dustybin: | my friends has just connected his LCD screen to a FX5200 via DVI connection, what kind of settings does one put in xorg.conf for EDID communication? |
| [20:46:53] | laga: | dustybin: check the mythtv wik |
| [20:47:39] | jackson__: | UseEDID, UseEDIDFreqs, and UseEDiDpi all set to true |
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| [20:48:05] | jackson__: | er UseEDIDDpi |
| [20:48:33] | laga: | shouldn't it use EDID automatically? |
| [20:48:35] | RyeBrye: | It appears that the GeForce 9500 GT I have is G96 A1 – but it's not officially supported in nvclock so i had to force it to give me that info |
| [20:48:55] | jackson__: | laga, I had to expiclily set them for my 22"... |
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| [20:53:43] | dustybin: | jackson__: ive put those options in xorg.conf, do i still need to mention a modeline? |
| [20:54:01] | laga: | dustybin: does it work? |
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| [20:54:34] | jackson__: | dustybin, I don't need a modeline with my 22" 1680x1050 monitor. |
| [20:54:51] | dustybin: | laga: im about to comment out the previous modeline what was workinbg with VGA |
| [20:54:55] | dustybin: | and pkill X |
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| [20:56:01] | dustybin: | jackson__: what goes in the "Screen" section if one doesnt have a modeline? |
| [20:56:12] | dustybin: | mine says |
| [20:56:13] | dustybin: | Modes "1280x768" |
| [20:56:23] | dustybin: | but i dont have 1280x768 anymore |
| [20:57:15] | XLV: | RyeBrye, that seems more like it.. since all references to g98 state that it will be a 256bit mem bus chip, which that 8400gs isnt.. ofcourse it could be that asus is using it for lower end cards anyhow |
| [20:57:37] | jackson__: | Sure, you still need the Screen section etc – here's mine: http://pastebin.com/m28a829d9 |
| [20:58:08] | dustybin: | jackson__: thanks dude :) |
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| [20:58:33] | RyeBrye: | XLV – hmm... Well I was going to buy another video card for a frontend anyway – I'll probably try that Asus 8400 and see if I get lucky with a g98 one or not – if not, it's not a huge deal... I don't forsee VC-1 in my immediate future |
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| [20:59:14] | jackson__: | RyeBrye and XLV, I'm pretty confident that if you get the 512MB EN8400GS (that I just received today), it'll be a g98 |
| [20:59:56] | jackson__: | from what I understand, the 256MB version of the card is NOT g98 |
| [20:59:58] | dustybin: | unable to connect to xserver no screens found |
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| [21:00:14] | XLV: | RyeBrye, i am still holding back.. both cause i got enough cpu for software decoding, and cause i dont yet have the av amp and speakers to output multichannel audio, still connected to tv via stereo audio out |
| [21:00:26] | dustybin: | jackson__: what does your monitor part of xorg say? |
| [21:00:40] | XLV: | RyeBrye, so i dont yet need hdmi audio, that is |
| [21:01:09] | XLV: | RyeBrye, but in any case a 50$ expense isnt a big deal |
| [21:01:14] | jackson__: | dustybin, http://pastebin.com/m4290e5a0 |
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| [21:01:31] | dustybin: | jackson__: aye thanks |
| [21:01:39] | dustybin: | ohhh i see |
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| [21:02:02] | jackson__: | dustybin, the sections all refer to each other :) |
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| [21:07:19] | dustybin: | jackson__: my xorg is setup just like yours, xorg doesnt connect, i wonder if there is a tool what will communicate directly with the connected LCD to list compatible resolutions? |
| [21:08:18] | jackson__: | you've checked your xlog? It should show validated resolutions. |
| [21:08:22] | dustybin: | read-edid – hardware information-gathering tool for VESA PnP monitors |
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| [21:10:17] | GlemSom: | hmm, my mythfrontend just went completely dead. It didn't even respond to keypresses... I see this in my log: http://pastebin.com/m52c6cc17 So, I'm guessing it could be a locking problem... Or a tuning problem? |
| [21:11:09] | styelz: | hm, i selected via XvMC for decoder, and my pc hard locked on watching tv. i think i will stick with libmpeg eh |
| [21:12:18] | dustybin: | i just had a thought, because my friend is using a really old CPU, a athlon 1400, he is using legacy nvidia drivers, maybe those legacy drivers dont support EDID |
| [21:12:34] | styelz: | oh it came back n/m, again |
| [21:13:22] | iamlindoro_: | styelz: Why are you even using libmpeg2? |
| [21:13:39] | iamlindoro_: | Unless you have a really good reason, you ought to be using Standard (which is libavcodec) |
| [21:15:52] | styelz: | ah ok |
| [21:16:09] | styelz: | it seemed better on HD |
| [21:16:45] | styelz: | when i use standard cpu is 2x usage almost |
| [21:16:49] | styelz: | i need to upgrade |
| [21:16:54] | styelz: | h/w |
| [21:18:49] | dustybin: | jackson__: what do you make of this: http://paste.debian.net/23836/ |
| [21:18:57] | dustybin: | maybe this TV doesnt support EDID |
| [21:19:28] | styelz: | nvidia vdpau works good, but the deinterlacing is not so good |
| [21:19:41] | iamlindoro_: | styelz: Which have you tried? |
| [21:20:12] | jackson__: | dustybin, dunno – but I'd like to see whats in the Xorg.log |
| [21:20:24] | styelz: | One Field |
| [21:20:40] | iamlindoro_: | styles, one field = throws away half the picture |
| [21:20:56] | iamlindoro_: | All the 2x deinterlacers in VDPAU are as good or better than anything in myth right now |
| [21:21:13] | styelz: | looks good, until things move |
| [21:21:31] | wagnerrp: | all all interlaced content (deint or not) looks good until things move |
| [21:21:34] | styelz: | ill give em a try |
| [21:21:54] | styelz: | hehe yea |
| [21:24:12] | styelz: | and my tv is old 720p |
| [21:24:17] | styelz: | doesn not help |
| [21:24:45] | dustybin: | jackson__: heres some more interesting information: http://paste.debian.net/23837/ |
| [21:24:53] | styelz: | i dont know how all that wors though.. using 1280x960 res |
| [21:26:39] | dustybin: | jackson__: and finally, the xorg log: http://paste.debian.net/23838/ |
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| [21:29:27] | dustybin: | jackson__: its ok, i had to remove the DPMS option, now it works :) |
| [21:31:03] | jackson__: | dustybin, good stuff |
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| [21:37:52] | styelz: | iamlindoro_: then i dont think the deinterlacers are working then |
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| [21:38:21] | styelz: | maybe my card is too old |
| [21:38:28] | fbnts: | Hi, has anyone had any experience with Audio of HDMI? I have searched the wiki but there wasnt a lot of information |
| [21:38:38] | styelz: | its a gforce 6800 |
| [21:38:59] | jackson__: | styelz, no VDPAU for that 6800 |
| [21:39:09] | styelz: | ah ok |
| [21:39:20] | iamlindoro_: | styelz: VDPAU only works with most 8xxx and all 9xxx series |
| [21:39:24] | iamlindoro_: | That card is *way* too old |
| [21:39:29] | justinh: | wonder how long it's gonna be before all this sinks in out there |
| [21:39:41] | ** styelz looks at his shoes ** | |
| [21:39:46] | justinh: | wooo I got a nerviddyer card, I can do viddypow! |
| [21:39:59] | justinh: | oh, wait. it's a GF2! |
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| [21:41:03] | iamlindoro_: | styelz: For larffs, tell me why you're running trunk |
| [21:42:04] | styelz: | wanted to have a look at the new stuff and play around a bit.. more boredom than anything else |
| [21:42:22] | iamlindoro_: | Awesome |
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| [21:49:23] | bertoldo_it: | last job I done was a clean of db (channel/dtv_multiplex) by hand |
| [21:49:53] | stuarta: | okay |
| [21:49:59] | bertoldo_it: | maybe there was soem duplicate info that return more than a single row.... |
| [21:50:05] | stuarta: | were you going to run mythtv-setup to repopulate? |
| [21:50:29] | bertoldo_it: | stuarta: thanks a lot for your time: I'll try to replicate the problem, |
| [21:50:31] | bertoldo_it: | yes |
| [21:50:32] | bertoldo_it: | exactly |
| [21:51:05] | bertoldo_it: | I'll write down step by step all operation, and append it all in bug |
| [21:51:13] | stuarta: | can you also run mythtv-setup as 'mythtv-setup --verbose siparser,channel,record | tee setup.log' |
| [21:51:22] | bertoldo_it: | I think also with tables dump |
| [21:51:22] | stuarta: | we may not need it |
| [21:51:35] | stuarta: | but easier to capture now |
| [21:51:47] | bertoldo_it: | yes |
| [21:51:56] | bertoldo_it: | yes ok,.. |
| [21:52:27] | bertoldo_it: | and,.. if I can obtain a working machine, I'll test to back to mythbuntu version ;) |
| [21:52:49] | stuarta: | cool, thanks |
| [21:52:56] | stuarta: | let us know progress |
| [21:53:06] | bertoldo_it: | yes, sure! |
| [21:53:13] | bertoldo_it: | thanks a lot!! |
| [21:53:28] | stuarta: | we currently have one other person from italy having potential issues to |
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| [21:54:01] | bertoldo_it: | what kind of problem? like mine? |
| [21:54:15] | stuarta: | possibly yes |
| [21:54:26] | stuarta: | we haven't got to the bottom of the problem(s) yet |
| [21:55:04] | bertoldo_it: | there is an open bug I can read? |
| [21:55:30] | stuarta: | no, he was just popping in to irc over the last 2 weeks |
| [21:55:42] | stuarta: | just worry about reproducing your issue |
| [21:55:46] | bertoldo_it: | (I canot help, I think, but I'm curious) |
| [21:55:52] | bertoldo_it: | ok |
| [21:55:53] | stuarta: | we'll correllate what we can |
| [21:55:56] | bertoldo_it: | :) |
| [21:57:21] | bertoldo_it: | voila', for this night it's enought (for me) :) |
| [21:57:40] | bertoldo_it: | thank you very much, I'll be back with news :) |
| [21:57:43] | stuarta: | k later |
| [21:57:52] | bertoldo_it: | bye! |
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| [22:18:15] | dustybin: | wow xrandr shows this on my friends box |
| [22:18:16] | dustybin: | Screen 0: minimum 640 x 480, current 1360 x 768, maximum 1360 x 768 |
| [22:18:17] | dustybin: | default connected 1360x768+0+0 0mm x 0m |
| [22:18:35] | dustybin: | EDID used the 1360x768 mode without me doing anything! |
| [22:19:02] | stuarta: | xrandr is the way forward |
| [22:19:07] | Cyberai: | Hey this is weird. I just set up a frontend and it can find and connect to my backend, but mythfrontend never appears when I launch it. From the command line it gets stuck at "New DB connection, total: 1". Has anyone seen that before? |
| [22:19:28] | stuarta: | something else using the upnp port? |
| [22:20:23] | Cyberai: | hmmm, when I set up the frontend it said no upnp backends found. So I gave it the IP and port by hand. |
| [22:20:42] | Cyberai: | I do have two ports open on the backend, should I switch to the second one? |
| [22:21:19] | stuarta: | no no. |
| [22:21:26] | stuarta: | i've seen something odd like that |
| [22:21:52] | stuarta: | when my svn frontend hadn't exited properly and was still running a upnp thread |
| [22:22:06] | stuarta: | so the 0.21 frontend couldn't use that port and got confused |
| [22:22:17] | Cyberai: | hmmm, should I log into the backend and kill the thread? |
| [22:22:26] | stuarta: | no |
| [22:22:37] | stuarta: | lemme check something |
| [22:22:52] | Cyberai: | k |
| [22:23:38] | meshe: | i had that issue the other day, my frontend crashed and the backend just kept on happily recording livetv as if the frontend was still up |
| [22:23:45] | dustybin: | On my CRT TV at home, Linear Blend de-interlacer looks the nicest, my friend with a DVI connected LCD, Linear Blend de-interlacer also looks the nicest, do you guys use Linear Blend ? |
| [22:23:46] | meshe: | i ended up restarting mythbackend |
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| [22:26:20] | stuarta: | Cyberai: with your frontend *not* running what do you get from 'lsof -i :6547' |
| [22:26:29] | stuarta: | you'll need to run it as root |
| [22:26:37] | stuarta: | so stick a sudo in front if req |
| [22:26:57] | Cyberai: | stuarta, on which box, the frontend or backend system? |
| [22:27:56] | stuarta: | frontend, that's the one with the problem |
| [22:28:14] | Cyberai: | mythfront 8947 mythtv 4u IPv4 5335415 TCP *:6547 (LISTEN) |
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| [22:28:31] | stuarta: | [22:26] <+stuarta> Cyberai: with your frontend *not* running..... |
| [22:28:39] | Cyberai: | doh, one sec |
| [22:28:53] | ** stuarta you'll get nothing i expect ** | |
| [22:29:15] | Cyberai: | yep,. nothing |
| [22:29:28] | stuarta: | lsof -i :1900 |
| [22:30:28] | Cyberai: | nothing |
| [22:30:44] | stuarta: | curious |
| [22:31:03] | Cyberai: | ? |
| [22:31:17] | Cyberai: | I hate it when techs and doctors say that |
| [22:31:30] | dustybin: | i could murder someone for a spare PCI slot |
| [22:31:43] | stuarta: | in this case curios = don't think it's that then |
| [22:31:50] | Cyberai: | ah |
| [22:32:47] | stuarta: | try running the frontend with --verbose most and see if that provides any useful info |
| [22:32:49] | Cyberai: | usually when the word "curious" is uttered as a standalone phrase the next thing to occur is either a system completely melting down, or a patient falls over in convulsions. |
| [22:32:55] | Cyberai: | ok, one sec |
| [22:33:06] | stuarta: | dustybin: yeah, there's a serious lack of slots in modern MB's |
| [22:33:18] | keith4: | does a "Media Center Extender" have potential to connect to myth? using upnp perhaps? |
| [22:34:11] | Cyberai: | stuarta, here are two curious lines from the result. |
| [22:34:13] | Cyberai: | QServerSocket: failed to bind or listen to the socket |
| [22:34:13] | Cyberai: | 2008-12–16 17:33:25.510 MediaRenderer::HttpServer Create Error |
| [22:34:18] | Cyberai: | everything else looks normal |
| [22:36:47] | stuarta: | Cyberai: okay try starting with -p. That'll make it ignore all settings and start again |
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| [22:36:51] | jamesd: | u think we need to have a button on the web interface to stream hd programming scaled on the fly down to 200x300... great for cellphones and old slow laptop and desktop doxes. |
| [22:37:00] | jamesd: | er s/^u/^i/ |
| [22:37:20] | stuarta: | mwuahahahahahaha |
| [22:37:37] | stuarta: | nice theory |
| [22:37:58] | stuarta: | in practice transcoding, especially from hd takes quite a bit of cpu |
| [22:38:10] | stuarta: | that said |
| [22:38:23] | stuarta: | there are plans to eventually make the backend convert stuff on the fly |
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| [22:38:51] | stuarta: | which would mean it would then be supportable |
| [22:38:56] | stuarta: | doable even |
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| [22:39:29] | jamesd: | well i do have plenty of cpu on the backend... dual core 2.6ghZ opteron... and my family really likes the sunray thin clients in there rooms.. just can't play the mythtv stuff well enough |
| [22:39:44] | Cyberai: | stuarta, here's the result.. I got the mythtv first time setup screens. Went through and after finishing config I saw this... |
| [22:39:46] | Cyberai: | No error type from QSqlError? Strange... |
| [22:39:46] | Cyberai: | 2008-12–16 17:37:12.693 DB Error (SaveSettingOnHost query failure: ): |
| [22:39:46] | Cyberai: | Query was: |
| [22:40:22] | stuarta: | sounds like it's not able to access the database host |
| [22:40:29] | Cyberai: | hmmm, weird |
| [22:40:34] | stuarta: | check your mysql security, firewalls etc |
| [22:40:39] | Cyberai: | nmap shows the ports are open |
| [22:40:52] | Cyberai: | let me go look at it's config |
| [22:41:08] | stuarta: | doesn't mean the mythtv user has been granted access from all hosts tho |
| [22:41:09] | jamesd: | command you login via the cli agent.. and access the mythtv database |
| [22:43:11] | dustybin: | blood heck, i could remove my PCI soundcard what has digital outputs to free a PCI slot, I could then buy a USB Turtle Beach Voyetra TBS-1120–01 for digital sound, they are only £15!!!! |
| [22:44:39] | jamesd: | dustybin, think of the orphans^Wbeer donations man its christmas time you know ;-) |
| [22:45:22] | dustybin: | aye up!! |
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| [22:48:19] | dustybin: | this is too good to be true, it looks like it works in linux: |
| [22:48:20] | dustybin: | http://www.amazon.com/Turtle-Beach-Micro-Voye . . . p/B0002ICGDY |
| [22:48:47] | stuarta: | why are hardware raid controllers so damned expensive? |
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| [22:49:42] | jduggan: | coz they are |
| [22:49:43] | jduggan: | ! |
| [22:49:56] | dustybin: | stuarta: with the faster PCI bandwidth on the latest motherboards, and lots of onboard SATA ports, one might as well use kernel RAID |
| [22:49:56] | jamesd: | stuarta, not enough people buy them.. so they aren't made in big enough quantity to be cheap |
| [22:50:12] | stuarta: | all of the above is true |
| [22:50:33] | dustybin: | you can buy mobos with 10+ onboard SATA ports these days |
| [22:50:36] | jduggan: | how expensive is expensive? |
| [22:50:52] | jduggan: | you can buy rocketriad for respectable price.. agreed theyre not the best, but theyre decent enough |
| [22:50:55] | stuarta: | http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Highpoint-RR35 . . . d-Controller |
| [22:51:10] | jduggan: | we use areca, theyre nearly 600quid |
| [22:51:11] | meshe: | we just bought 3 promise raid controllers for $70 each |
| [22:51:11] | stuarta: | admittidly that is a 16 port |
| [22:51:12] | jduggan: | but good cards |
| [22:51:44] | dustybin: | stuarta: what would you trust your data with, some closed source stodgy RAID firmware, or linux RAID? |
| [22:52:09] | jduggan: | its good to offload the raid to dedicated hardware |
| [22:52:17] | jduggan: | otherwise youre tieing up CPU |
| [22:52:20] | stuarta: | hey i agree with you, i haven't the budget to fork out on a card just to save some cpu |
| [22:52:27] | meshe: | but not really necessary with today's processors |
| [22:52:37] | jamesd: | see this type of conversation would never happen in the U.S. there just isn't enough high quality programming here to justify raid... just replace the drive, nothing worth crying over... |
| [22:52:39] | jduggan: | that depends on the requirements |
| [22:52:47] | jduggan: | but i agree |
| [22:53:26] | dustybin: | todays CPUs are fast, and todays motherboard PCI bandwidths are fast, and motherboards have lots of onboard SATA ports, so it makes sense to use linux software RAID? |
| [22:53:33] | jduggan: | we use hardware raid for our better spec'd boxes, @ home i just linux raid ;P |
| [22:53:39] | jduggan: | +use |
| [22:54:36] | stuarta: | same here, we just buy servers with builtin SAS raid controllers |
| [22:55:26] | jamesd: | sorry but i use solaris zfs + xvm/zen ... better solution than linux lvm... |
| [22:56:09] | meshe: | linux lvm really has nothing to do with raid |
| [22:57:07] | jduggan: | we use dell for decent boxen, we build db servers ourselves using areca raid cards and also a custom backup solution we sell to customers use areca raid.. then i have probably 100 – 120 linux servers using software |
| [22:57:29] | stuarta: | hp's for us |
| [22:58:49] | meshe: | 30+ production linux servers all use 3ware raid cards anything non-critical just gets a promise raid controller |
| [22:59:06] | meshe: | for personal systems, i would use kernel raid |
| [22:59:12] | jduggan: | we've found dell cheaper for equivalent spec, we have a good account manager now and can negotiate good deals, we're pushing probably $250k USD per year of business their way |
| [22:59:14] | meshe: | which i don't even bother with |
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| [23:00:20] | jduggan: | we're a commercial datacenter/rack space facility i'd say 75% of branded colo servers in our facilities are dell branded |
| [23:02:39] | CaptObviousman: | is there a graceful way to end mythbackend, like when I'm shutting down the computer? |
| [23:02:54] | ** CaptObviousman was thinking of something equivalent to rndc ** | |
| [23:02:55] | meshe: | what distro CaptObviousman ? |
| [23:02:59] | CaptObviousman: | slackware |
| [23:03:09] | stuarta: | the init script should have a stop option |
| [23:03:13] | stuarta: | otherwise use kill |
| [23:03:30] | CaptObviousman: | kill has no harmful side effects? Other than cutting off any current recordings of course |
| [23:03:40] | stuarta: | it'll clean up correctly |
| [23:03:49] | CaptObviousman: | ok, that's all I needed to know |
| [23:03:50] | CaptObviousman: | thanks |
| [23:04:16] | meshe: | standard kill, probably avoid kill -9 |
| [23:04:25] | stuarta: | heh |
| [23:04:46] | jduggan: | heh |
| [23:04:53] | CaptObviousman: | if it's misbehaving and not quitting when the script tells it to, rc.sysvinit will catch it |
| [23:07:48] | javatexan: | okay...so I ripped my first dvd which went to the blah/mythtv/temp. But I cant find it anywhere in the recordings or the media library. What should happen now? |
| [23:08:05] | stuarta: | import o padiun |
| [23:08:06] | javatexan: | hey greyfoxx, how are things...if you are around |
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