Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, December 14th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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Dibblah:

pheld: Quite a few cards work now.

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pheld:

well if you have the drivers you should see them with aplay -l

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Led-Hed:

minimyth doesnt include aplay

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pheld:

or "-L" to list available mixer channels

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pheld:

Dibblah: yes, I just found out.

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Led-Hed:

Dibblah, is there a list of supported cards?

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pheld:

Led-Hed: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=14 is possibly a better source of info if it's nvidia hardware

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Led-Hed:

pheld, thanks

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DGMurdockIII:

can i play FM radio with myth tv

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Dagmar:

Not realistically, no.

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DGMurdockIII:

not even with a fm tuner card

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DGMurdockIII:

why not

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Dagmar:

Because it's complex and Myth isn't designed for radio.

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Dagmar:

Hence the name, MythTV

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kormoc:

because noone has ever coded up support for it

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Dagmar:

MythTV really sucks at popping popcorn, too. You also shouldn't try to use it to open cans unless you want corn all over the place.

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Dagmar:

Don't even think about using it as a suppository.

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kormoc:

Ultra microatx cases should only be taken orally, with at least a full glass of water

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DGMurdockIII:

does mythtv have a forum

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kormoc:

not officially

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DGMurdockIII:

but if mythtv is supposed to be a media center like platform why no support for fm radio

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DGMurdockIII:

and there is a myth tv forum

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kormoc:

because noone has coded in that support yet

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Dagmar:

Arguing about it won't change it.

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DGMurdockIII:

so there might be fm radio support some day?

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Dagmar:

If you want it to do FM, start coding.

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Dagmar:

Not likely since FM radio is dying out.

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kormoc:

DGMurdockIII, if someone cares enough to write it up, sure, but the current group of developers don't really have interest in it.

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kormoc:

DGMurdockIII, feel free to code it up yourself and submit it

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Dagmar:

You might as well ask why the Amish are no good at designing high-flexibility aircraft frames from synthetics.

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Dagmar:

They are interest areas which aren't likely to overlap.

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kormoc:

or sponsor it, get enough folks to toss a few bucks into a pool and someone might write it up

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DGMurdockIII:

fm radio dse work what is this URL:http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Fm_radio

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Dagmar:

So?

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DGMurdockIII:

whydo you say it does not

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kormoc:

DGMurdockIII, and it doesn't lock the card so when you have a recording start, your radio goes away, you can also corrupt recordings by using it when a recording is always in progress....

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GreyFoxx:

it doesn't

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Dagmar:

"<Dagmar> Not realistically, no."

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Dagmar:

It will not work like you expect it, and it will interfere with the machine's ability to record normally.

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Dagmar:

Feel free to keep doing your research until you see we're right.

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GreyFoxx:

That page is a users attempt at hacking up some shell scripts to play fm radio, it is not myth supporting it directly

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GreyFoxx:

And it will only work with specific cards and likely cause conflicts unless that particular tuner is unknown by myth for recording

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kormoc:

Yay, newest nvidia drivers and still dead! Whee

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dustybin:

kormoc: you might of blown your card

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J-e-f-f-A:

dustybin: I don't think he's that kind of guy....

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dustybin:

LOL

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sid3windr:

(might have)

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paladine:

anyone tried using one of these for a myth backend yet? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt . . . 190273212238

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wagnerrp:

does it have a tuner card? does it have a hard drive?

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paladine:

it will have a tuner card once I fit it into the PCI expansion and it will have a flash drive for OS and nfs for storage

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wagnerrp:

well if you have another computer serving nfs, why not just stick the tuner card in there, and forgo this whole debacle

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Lexridge:

it would be a very slow backend at only 1ghz

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paladine:

because the other machine runs windows vista

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paladine:

1ghz is more than enough speed for backend

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wagnerrp:

you have an NFS server that runs vista?

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paladine:

I have seen mythboxes running on 1/4 of that

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paladine:

you don't need big CPU with a pvr250

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wagnerrp:

Lexridge: its not just a 1GHz machine, its a 1GHz transmeta

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J-e-f-f-A:

paladine: A friend of mine just got one of those to run his MajicJack.... not very robust.

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wagnerrp:

imagine a normal processor, and chop off the whole front end

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paladine:

hey J-e-f-f-A ltns :) I have a couple of t5300's too mate so I can replace any cosmetic stuff no problem

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Lexridge:

I thought the transmeta was just a low power cpu, nothing more.

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wagnerrp:

all the instruction translation is done in software on the primary execution core

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Lexridge:

oh, ok...didnt know that.

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wagnerrp:

leading to small chips, low power, and lackluster performance

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Lexridge:

Is transmeta even still in business?

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wagnerrp:

no, they died out a while back

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CaptObviousman:

which is really a shame, because I kinda liked them

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Lexridge:

Torvolds worked for them for a while I guess.

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paladine:

wagner, have you used one before, because I have 2 t5300s here which only have 600MHz transmeta and they run lightening fast with linux on them

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paladine:

the reason I got the 5700 is cos the 5300 doesn't have PCI

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paladine:

and it has more RAM capabilities

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wagnerrp:

it runs lightning fast, until you try to run a browser with modern web pages

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paladine:

that is exactly what they are used for at the moment

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paladine:

thin clients for browsing the web in the boy bedroom and the lounge

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paladine:

they have no issues with firefox 3

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paladine:

and no issues playing youtube or other rich media sites

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wagnerrp:

anything with any amount of js or flash will make that thing run like a dog

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paladine:

I say again, have you used one, because I use 2 frequently with no problems so I am speaking from experience as opposed to just having an opinion

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bomama:

the silence is deafening

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wagnerrp:

used one of those chips specifically? no

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wagnerrp:

but my laptop is still of that era

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wagnerrp:

and those TM chips ran on average about 20–30% less per clock than a P3

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paladine:

well I think really before becoming a critic you should actually try the thin clients before making judgement

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paladine:

I have been using them for over 10 months now

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paladine:

J-e-f-f-A, what you upto nowadays?

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J-e-f-f-A:

paladine: Not much... Just got my new frontends setup to support HD... ;-)

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paladine:

nice, I am just in the process of an upgrade

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paladine:

putting together a 9950 system

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Led-Hed:

when I type aplay -L, there is a Device listed as hdmi:CARD=NVidia,DEV=0. I cant seem to access it though. I tried speaker-test -D hdmi, but it says 'No such file or directory'. Anyone here have experience with HDMI Audio

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** Led-Hed already tried the alsa channel **

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J-e-f-f-A:

paladine: I've got a frontend that's a C2D 2200, runs great – and an A 64 x2 4200 – runs great too. Need to setup a couple more now. ;-)

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paladine:

yeah I am on a 4400 X2 san diego atm

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paladine:

but the mobo is on the way out

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paladine:

so doing a full upgrade

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J-e-f-f-A:

paladine: I got my backend all setup some time ago – Athlon 64 x2 4800 w/2GB ram... 6x 500GB for video storage, and 2x200 [raid1] for os/database.

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J-e-f-f-A:

paladine: I still have those other parts if you're still interested in them... ;-)

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paladine:

my new desktop is gonna be 1TB raid 5 + 60GB SSD, 1GB 9800GT and 8GB 1066

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paladine:

I am always interested in parts

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paladine:

although my basement is filling up cos I never get time to work on stuff nowadays

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J-e-f-f-A:

paladine: same here... DOH! ;-)

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paladine:

if I am not working I am uber busy with my political campaigning

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paladine:

have wiped about 950M USD off Phorm's share capital since Feb :)

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mattwj2002:

hi guys

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mattwj2002:

I need your help

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paladine:

taken them from a billion dollar company to having just 45M USD of share capital left :)

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** paladine is evil **

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mattwj2002:

anyone know of a good dual hdtv/dual analog tv tuner that works with mythtv?

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kormoc:

you want 4 tuners in a single card?

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fuxxy:

mattwj2002, uh, you want a tuner with 4 inputs?

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fuxxy:

mattwj2002, PVR500 and a hdhomerun, you're done.

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J-e-f-f-A:

^^ that's exactly what I have... ;-)

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mattwj2002:

I all ready have a HDhomerun

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mattwj2002:

okay anyone know where I can find a PVR-500 for under $90 including shipping and handling?

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fuxxy:

This problem has happened before, I can reboot and it goes away, but I'd like to figure out what's causing it. The wife says it just froze while watching the hallmark channel, and now, LiveTV won't start with this mythfrontend log http://rafb.net/p/H5pCH066.html

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kormoc:

mattwj2002, you need to take your meds, reality says what you're asking for is a bit unrealistic...

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fuxxy:

ooh, backend log revealed more information

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fuxxy:

mattwj2002, I paid around $100 for my PVR150 (single tuner) You want TWO tuners for cheaper than I paid for ONE?

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fuxxy:

backend complains about table ./mythconverg/recorded is marked as crashed and needs to be repaired.

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fuxxy:

I still wish I could find out what actually caused it

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mattwj2002:

used is fine

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kormoc:

mattwj2002, so check ebay?

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mattwj2002:

I did

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kormoc:

mattwj2002, we are not your personal search engine...

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mattwj2002:

no luck

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mattwj2002:

:(

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J-e-f-f-A:

mattwj2002: there are a few on ebay for < 100 currently.

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fuxxy:

mattwj2002, I suggest you lurk. and lurk, and lurk.

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J-e-f-f-A:

mattwj2002: search for "pvr-500"

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mattwj2002:

right but that mount bracket won't work

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fuxxy:

Lurk ebay, lurk the hardware FS/T forums wherever you can.

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sid3windr:

eheh

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sid3windr:

not your personal army!

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sid3windr:

:>

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mattwj2002:

fair enough

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mattwj2002:

:)

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mattwj2002:

I wish this worked with mythtv

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mattwj2002:

DViCO FusionHDTV7

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mattwj2002:

:(

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mattwj2002:

crap I mean DViCO FusionHDTV7 Dual Express DUAL HDTV/Analog TV Tuner Card

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bomama:

that does work with myth

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fuxxy:

Looks like my db was borked.

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iamlindoro__:

You mean the one listed as "supported" here? http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_PCIe_Cards

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fuxxy:

I dont' see how it got borked, but it's fixed now.. sigh.

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kormoc:

iamlindoro__, you don't actually expect mattwj2002 to *READ* do you!??!?!

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iamlindoro__:

kormoc, I'm sure if I read the scrollback I'd find that I shouldn't expect it ;)

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mattwj2002:

ouch kormoc

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mattwj2002:

maybe the Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-1800 is a better choice

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bomama:

lol

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bomama:

dvico HW WAY better than Hauppauge

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mattwj2002:

right but it doesn't support analog

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mattwj2002:

right nwo

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mattwj2002:

*now

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mattwj2002:

:(

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kormoc:

and even if it did, you wouldn't want to use it, it's a framegrabber...

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** iamlindoro__ wonders why mchou changed his name **

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mattwj2002:

this webpage says that the Hauppauge HVR-1800 doesn't support analog either

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mattwj2002:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_HVR-1800

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iamlindoro__:

mattwj2002, It works in linux, but not in myth

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iamlindoro__:

The analog side of the 1800, that is

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mattwj2002:

bummer

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mattwj2002:

:(

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J-e-f-f-A:

mattwj2002: the 1600 works in linux, both sides. But it's PCI, not PCIe.

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bomama:

lol

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bomama:

1600 dont work worth a damn in windows or linux

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bomama:

least of all the digital side

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kormoc:

bomama, Swearing isn't allowed in this channel, please refrain

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bomama:

avoid

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mattwj2002:

yeah I READ on the wiki that same thing

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iamlindoro__:

Hey kids, here's a fun internet trick. Google "mchou c-76-103-44–118.hsd1.ca.comcast.net"

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iamlindoro__:

Then whois the person acting most like him and read the real name

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iamlindoro__:

Tadaaa, new name, same behavior!

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iamlindoro__:

(not to mention persion)

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iamlindoro__:

er person

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mattwj2002:

I solved my own problem

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mattwj2002:

I'll just buy two PVR-150

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mattwj2002:

:D

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mattwj2002:

it'll use up an extra slot but the price is right and I'll have dual tuners

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RyeBrye:

whois mchou?

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RyeBrye:

sounds familiar

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iamlindoro__:

Someone who manages to get himself 99.9% of the way to being banned every time he opens his mouth

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro__: related to 123?

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iamlindoro__:

J-e-f-f-A, No.

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J-e-f-f-A:

ok. ;-)

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fuxxy:

New kernel, then rebuilt LIRC. Why are my LIRC modules missing?

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mattwj2002:

thanks for your help guys

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mattwj2002:

I am off

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mattwj2002:

:)

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fuxxy:

I didn't think I needed to enable anything in the kernel to include support for LIRC, I thought all that was handled by the LIRC package.

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craftyguy:

mythfrontend crashes with "*** glibc detected *** mythfrontend: double free or corruption (out): 0x00007f48", after displaying lots of fun "blocky" and stuttering video, any ideas?

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craftyguy:

I've confirmed the following: 1)replaced tuner, 2)tried moving box to a different house across town (so it's not my cable reception), 3)ran system with panel off and box fan pointed at it (not overheating), 4) recording folder is mounted on a raid0 with 2 drives (hdparm reports ~140mb/s), 5)upgraded processor to intel Q9650, 6) tried all combinations of xv, xvmc, opengl, etc

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kormoc:

why didn't you try following the 'creating a backtrace' in the mythtv manual and posting it on the bug tracker?

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craftyguy:

my tuner is a wintv 1250, running 2.6.26 stable kernel, mythtv-0.21 (tried 19046 and 18314)

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craftyguy:

alright.

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Lexridge:

Is there a way to build only the mythfrontend from the stable trunk? Looking at ./configure --help and not seeing a way to do it.

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jams:

Lexridge- there is not

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iamlindoro__:

Nor is there such a thing as "stable trunk"

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Lexridge:

I used that term loosely ;)

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Daluv:

my storage dir is "/mnt/mythtv" but for some reason mythbackend do not seem to prepend that dir. what is wrong?

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iamlindoro__:

There are releases, and there's trunk. Trunk is by definition unstable.

[03:21:31]

** jams does't even understand that question **

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Daluv_:

keep getting 2008-12–13 22:21:23.936 Error: File 'myth://192.168.0.10:6543/1037_20081208205900.mpg' missing.

[03:21:35]

Lexridge:

stable svn would have been more correct then.

[03:23:36]

Lexridge:

how does MythDora allow a frontend only install?

[03:23:58]

Lexridge:

selectively installing frontend only files?

[03:24:41]

jams:

Lexridge- don't know much about mythdora, but i suspect it's installing the backend as well, but not setting it as a service.

[03:24:50]

Lexridge:

simple enough

[03:26:50]

Daluv_:

2008-12–13 22:26:09.905 PlaybackBox::play(): Error, myth://192.168.0.10:6543/1026_20081208025900.mpg file not found

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Daluv_:

I wonder where is that field I am missing in the DB consider the /mnt/mythtv....

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Lexridge:

sounds like you have a path error somewhere. Can you actually locate the file it's looking for?

[03:28:39]

Daluv_:

yeah the file is there and playable via mplayer.

[03:28:42]

Daluv_:

in fact

[03:28:54]

Daluv_:

all my files arent found .

[03:29:04]

Daluv_:

but they are physically there.

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Lexridge:

what about permissions on the files?

[03:30:34]

J-e-f-f-A:

Daluv_: If you're referring to the path mythweb gives you to download the file, it's because it's no longer a direct link to the file. IIRC it's been that way since 0.21...

[03:31:14]

Daluv_:

J-e: well, I am not already there :)

[03:31:43]

Daluv_:

something is wrong in my db I guess.

[03:32:34]

Daluv_:

I am also unable to record with mythfrontend uhm.

[03:33:40]

Daluv_:

-v all hopefully will help me :(

[03:34:16]

Daluv_:

from mythfrontend, I am having this error: 2008-12–13 22:33:56.807 Error: File 'myth://192.168.0.10:6543/1037_20081208205900.mpg' missing.

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Daluv_:

mythfrontend -v all that is.

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Daluv_:

that error on all my files...

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J-e-f-f-A:

Daluv_: What user are you running the backend as? if it's root, you'll run into issues like this IIRC...

[03:36:36]

Daluv_:

j-e-f-f: I use the /etc/init sript

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Daluv_:

root 4894 1 0 22:16 ? 00:00:02 /usr/bin/mythbackend --daemon --logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log --pidfile /var/run/mythbackend.pid

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Daluv_:

select basename from recorded; gives "1026_20081025102900.mpg" which is fine to me.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Daluv_: ^ so mythbackend is running as root. It should be running as a different ID, such as 'mythtv"...

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Daluv_:

I understand but I dont think it will solve my issue.

[03:43:32]

Dagmar:

J-e-f-f-A: Doesn't really need to be

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Dagmar:

It won't.

[03:44:41]

Dagmar:

Is the frontend on the same machine as the backend?

[03:44:41]

Dagmar:

I suspect strongly that it isn't.

[03:44:50]

Daluv_:

Dagmar: it is.

[03:44:56]

Daluv_:

I only have one machine.

[03:44:57]

Dagmar:

...or that the user you're running the frontend has no rights to access those files.

[03:45:12]

Daluv_:

running both as root to test right now..

[03:45:49]

Daluv_:

it is a location problem and not an access problem.

[03:45:53]

Dagmar:

THe IP address of that machine *is* 192.168.0.10 and that's what's been set to, right?

[03:46:03]

Dagmar:

Like, in mythtv-setup

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Daluv_:

ifconfig say 192.168.0.10

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Dagmar:

Set wrong, god only knows what'll break

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Daluv_:

I can see my recording in mythweb

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Daluv_:

but no thumbnail

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Dagmar:

What mythweb does doesn't have anything to do with mythfrontend.

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Daluv_:

so the files location are screwed somewhere.

[03:47:05]

Daluv_:

I know, it is another way to validate.

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Dagmar:

No, it's another way to waste time

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Daluv_:

uhm

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Dagmar:

...since it does not have anything to do with how the frontend operates.

[03:47:59]

Daluv_:

the backend is broken, not the frontend...

[03:48:23]

Dagmar:

So again, check what you put into mythtv-setup.

[03:48:33]

Dagmar:

You can put a wrong IP in there and things will break horribly.

[03:48:49]

kormoc:

Yay... I love people

[03:49:24]

kormoc:

'Myth is unusable and the developers are just playing a practical joke on the world, because they hate people with free time'

[03:50:05]

Dagmar:

kormoc: Well, at some point someone should go find the code that needs people to set an IP in mythtv-setup, take it 'round back, and shoot it in the head.

[03:50:07]

SlicerDicer:

lol kormoc

[03:50:14]

SlicerDicer:

I love that response :)

[03:50:16]

Dagmar:

There's just no sane reason I can think of to require that.

[03:50:23]

Dagmar:

Not anymore.

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kormoc:

Dagmar, only thing is purely on two+ interface systems, which interface to bind to

[03:50:45]

Dagmar:

Not with autodiscovery via uPnP and *definitely* not with any modern socket code.

[03:51:23]

SlicerDicer:

how is it not sane?

[03:51:27]

kormoc:

I would hate to trust the users to setup firewalls correctly....

[03:51:31]

Dagmar:

Yeah, if someone wants to pick an interface they can do that, but as it stands now, I suspect havign that in there as a required setting (last I checked) is causing more failure states than anything

[03:51:48]

Dagmar:

Everything else binding to 0.0.0.0 should be more than enough

[03:52:25]

kormoc:

yeah, well, patches are always welcome! :P

[03:52:37]

Dagmar:

If I do it, no one's going to like the comments.

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SlicerDicer:

kormoc: Indeed! :) I am glad some of my ideas made it in /me nudges xris

[03:53:04]

** kormoc laughs **

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Daluv_:

uhm uhm

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Dagmar:

...cuz I'll kill off that retarded uPnP-is-disabled-if-127.0.0.1 code at the same time

[03:53:46]

Daluv_:

any other ideas?

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Dagmar:

When did it stop working?

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Daluv_:

when I upgraded fc9->fc10

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Daluv_:

and when 0.20 to 0.21

[03:55:05]

Dagmar:

Yeah well, that's your problem.

[03:55:26]

Daluv_:

thanx.

[03:55:54]

Daluv_:

I like that attitude.

[03:56:18]

Dagmar:

Well then. No more help from me.

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kormoc:

Daluv_, so the logs say?

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Dagmar:

Into the ignore list yet another snarky little newb goeth

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kormoc:

Dagmar, I'm surprised that you haven't caused your client to overflow with the size of that ignore list

[03:57:20]

Dagmar:

kormoc: It culls names after 30 days by default

[03:57:30]

Dagmar:

Either way ther'es only like 4–5 people in it most of the time

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Daluv_:

irc changed in 10 years I guess.

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Dagmar:

I was about to look up the name of the magic perl script that might sort his db, but screw it

[03:58:20]

SlicerDicer:

Dagmar: odd.. in my entire time on IRC I have never had to ignore one person :)

[03:58:33]

Dagmar:

If someone upgraded both the OS *and* myth at the same time and ignored every bit of documentation saying to back up the bloody database, so be it

[03:58:48]

Dagmar:

SlicerDicer: You've not been on IRC as long as I have.

[03:59:05]

SlicerDicer:

Dagmar: been on freenode since 2003 I think?

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Daluv_:

I agree that a backup would have help.

[03:59:08]

SlicerDicer:

I have anyway

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Dagmar:

The /ignore command is *way* easier than trying to get newbs to stop acting like you owe them money

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Daluv_:

that guy's has issue.

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Dagmar:

SlicerDicer: So I've been using IRC about 10 or so years longer

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Dagmar:

No matter what ya do tho, people don't seem to understand that calling someone names is not a very productive way of getting help

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Daluv_:

wow, amazing attitude.

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Dagmar:

You'd think he'd have mentioned something like "I upgraded everything and then it all stopped working". Most people would consider that a significant factor. I scrolled up and didn't see any mention of it

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SlicerDicer:

I dont upgrade unless there is serious features I like :)

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Dagmar:

I'm the same way for my box most of the time

[04:06:19]

Dagmar:

...at least until I have time to sit own and start exporting my recordings with an XML snippet next to them so I can import them back into MythVideo later

[04:06:56]

SlicerDicer:

I am still gathering the balls to do the upgrade for iphone stuff

[04:07:04]

SlicerDicer:

kormoc: did some sweet work there so I got to test it

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SlicerDicer:

I am afraid of total annihilation

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SlicerDicer:

:)

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SlicerDicer:

although my mythbox is getting so old I seriously need to do some rebuilding.. however I am also afraid of dead drives from the reliability issues lately

[04:08:38]

SlicerDicer:

it seems I am jammed in a corner like a cougar but without teeth and claws just swatting shit

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SlicerDicer:

lol

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kormoc:

:)

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SlicerDicer:

kormoc: got any recent infos on drive failures?

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SlicerDicer:

are they getting better?

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Dagmar:

Yeah well, maybe some technological whiz will save us by inventing some non-volatile storage that can handle half-terabytes at a go and get it to market soon

[04:11:11]

SlicerDicer:

Dagmar: maybe that had a recent alien visitation? ;-)

[04:11:16]

SlicerDicer:

LOL....

[04:11:37]

SlicerDicer:

Dagmar: SSD is just moving so slow

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Dagmar:

I'd buy it (mostly) no matter where it came from

[04:11:56]

SlicerDicer:

Spawn more Overlords.. err wait... ;-)

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer, it's still high all over the industry for some reason, typically these trends take awhile to sort out

[04:12:40]

SlicerDicer:

Dagmar: well hopefully there is something that will come along.. I just want to have about 2tb of storage I think

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SlicerDicer:

alright kormoc I will hold off

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SlicerDicer:

although I am getting to danger zone.. 50gb free :/

[04:13:26]

kormoc:

you need to go buy a few cases of beer and not leave the couch for a few weeks!

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SlicerDicer:

lol

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SlicerDicer:

Its nearly 1tb of video ;-)

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kormoc:

months then! :P

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SlicerDicer:

haha

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SlicerDicer:

kormoc: I just use myth as my video storage box.. so I dont have to mess with dvd's or anything

[04:14:34]

SlicerDicer:

all my movies are on there and stuff

[04:14:40]

SlicerDicer:

just a giant digital library lol

[04:15:20]

SlicerDicer:

so mostly everything that is on there I dont really want to delete

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kormoc:

hehe, fair' nuff

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SlicerDicer:

been collecting since 2005 on there I think...

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Lexridge:

but if you don't mess with DVDs, how do you back everything up? If your drive fails, and it will eventually, you will loose everything

[04:20:46]

Kichigai:

Evening, I've got a minor problem with my MythBox having switched IPs, and now everything seems... very very broken.

[04:21:16]

kormoc:

Kichigai, so run the setup and change the ip addresses?

[04:21:44]

SlicerDicer:

raid5 Lexridge

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SlicerDicer:

assuming there is no fire... explosion or something similar

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SlicerDicer:

I should be ok

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Kichigai:

kormoc, minor issue with that: I haven't got a monitor to connect to my back-end, I've had to lend out the VGA cable for it.

[04:22:07]

Lexridge:

or turn off dhcp and go with a static IP, which is the recommended method.

[04:22:11]

SlicerDicer:

raid1 as well leprechau

[04:22:17]

SlicerDicer:

err crap tab completion

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Kichigai:

Lexridge, not my house, not my router. If it was my router, I'd have replaced it with something more competent.

[04:23:00]

GreyFoxx:

most of those home routers start handing out IP's starting at 100 and up

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Lexridge:

SlicerDicer: Good, but still not enough. I have lost RAID 5s before...several in fact.

[04:23:09]

GreyFoxx:

just use a static below the dhcp range

[04:23:17]

SlicerDicer:

Kichigai: cant you do dhcp leasing of ip by mac?

[04:23:17]

Lexridge:

Kichigai: you can still use a static IP

[04:23:58]

SlicerDicer:

Lexridge: it would be a awful lot of DVD's to back up my data :/

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Kichigai:

SlicerDicer, Lexridge, the router can't seem to do that. I've configured it nine or ten times, and it never seems to take. How do I set one "below" the range, GreyFoxx ?

[04:24:11]

SlicerDicer:

and DVD-R stuff fails after what 5 years?

[04:24:38]

GreyFoxx:

Kichigai: lookat the router config (unless you already know it) and just statically assign and IP that is not in that range

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SlicerDicer:

Lexridge: what caused raid5 failure?

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GreyFoxx:

so if the router hands out 192.168.1.100–200

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Lexridge:

SlicerDicer: Who knows really, there is tons of conflicting info. Your best bet is to have two RAIDs, one as a backup.

[04:24:58]

GreyFoxx:

give yourself 192.168.1.90

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GreyFoxx:

it's outside the range and wont be given out by the rouer to another machine

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Kichigai:

GreyFoxx, Oh, I see.

[04:25:43]

SlicerDicer:

Lexridge: thats expensive.. to have two raids...

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Lexridge:

SlicerDicer: Don't recall off the top of my head, but I run several of them at work, and they do fail for various reasons. the more you run, the higher the failure rate.

[04:26:18]

SlicerDicer:

I am doing software raid too

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Lexridge:

I am using linux software raids to backup the stand-alone RAIDs. Works very well. :)

[04:27:14]

Kichigai:

GreyFoxx, any way to remotely execute the set-up app?

[04:27:54]

SlicerDicer:

I did have one slight mishap with the raid where my database got horked in my ext3

[04:28:10]

SlicerDicer:

however I backed up my db into the raid5 so there was a copy elsewhere

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Lexridge:

how many disks are in your raid? Any spares?

[04:28:29]

SlicerDicer:

and I have never had JFS go mental...

[04:28:40]

SlicerDicer:

I have 2 for my raid1 and 1 parity for my raid5 with 4 disks

[04:29:05]

Lexridge:

you should add at least one hot spare to your raid5

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GreyFoxx:

Kichigai: Ssh in and just launch it ?

[04:29:22]

Dagmar:

hah

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Lexridge:

and I'd assume it's plugged into a UPS?

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SlicerDicer:

cannot do at the moment this is why I want to upgrade to bigger drives Lexridge

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GreyFoxx:

ssuming you have some way to see the screen

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Dagmar:

good luck explaining to people who want to do raid5 with only 4 disks that they need to add more disks without any space increase

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SlicerDicer:

UPS is on the menu next month Lexridge

[04:29:48]

Lexridge:

a hot spare is worth many more times the cost of the drive itself!

[04:30:16]

SlicerDicer:

Lexridge: its not a matter of cost of the drive...

[04:30:22]

SlicerDicer:

I have maxed out the case... and motherboard with drives

[04:30:40]

SlicerDicer:

there is 7 drives in there... total

[04:30:48]

SlicerDicer:

4 on sata.. 3 on pata

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Lexridge:

Do you have lots of air moving thourhg the case, or is it rather hot inside?

[04:31:11]

SlicerDicer:

120mm fans moving air over the drives its not hot

[04:31:26]

SlicerDicer:

I have digital thermal readout of the interior at several points so I can see :)

[04:31:33]

Lexridge:

yea, that's good. Drives need lots of cooling, something that is often overlooked.

[04:31:35]

SlicerDicer:

all I have to do is glance at the case and it cycles all the temps

[04:31:45]

SlicerDicer:

bout 5 seconds and I can see what they are all at

[04:31:55]

SlicerDicer:

usually around 37c in the case

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Lexridge:

I hate the noise, but I generally add a fan in front of every set of four drives.

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Kichigai:

Huh... I can't edit my interfaces file as root.

[04:32:32]

Lexridge:

a big fan, that is

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SlicerDicer:

the case has 3 120mm's

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Dagmar:

Lovely white noise generator you got there

[04:33:28]

SlicerDicer:

Dagmar: my fish tank makes more noise :)

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Dagmar:

...unless they're all 1000rpm fans

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SlicerDicer:

http://idisk.mac.com/slicerdicer/Public/tankprogression.jpg

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Dagmar:

Fish don't emit white noise

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Lexridge:

SlicerDicer: I do remember one instance where the computer's P/S failed and took out two of five RAID drives with it. GONE!

[04:34:39]

SlicerDicer:

Lexridge: ok will get hotspare

[04:34:44]

Lexridge:

lol

[04:34:55]

Dagmar:

I've seen a Sun Ultra 10K dropped (and I mean *dropped*) from the back of a pickup.

[04:34:59]

SlicerDicer:

your talking PSU failure right?

[04:35:04]

Lexridge:

right

[04:35:07]

Dagmar:

RAID5 isn't divine intervention

[04:35:11]

SlicerDicer:

I have had 3 blow on that box :/

[04:35:18]

SlicerDicer:

over the course of my myth lifetime

[04:35:22]

SlicerDicer:

as it has morphed anyway

[04:35:44]

Lexridge:

it's expensive, but with a RAID with no backup, you should install a redundant PSU

[04:35:54]

SlicerDicer:

1.4ghz, 2.7ghz, 3.1ghz, dual core 2.8ghz now :)

[04:36:11]

SlicerDicer:

Lexridge: the last PSU asplosion took the mobo with it.. blew caps

[04:36:16]

SlicerDicer:

I need to fix it yet the rest of the way

[04:36:18]

Lexridge:

automatic fail-over. Sweet stuff, but about $300 for a 400watt unit.

[04:36:29]

SlicerDicer:

kormoc: btw replacing the blown caps more blew :/ I just need to replace them all

[04:36:37]

SlicerDicer:

Lexridge: link on how to do that?

[04:36:55]

Kichigai:

OK, quick question: how can root be denied permission to edit a file?

[04:37:27]

SlicerDicer:

read only?

[04:37:27]

Lexridge:

look on newegg or tiger for redundant power supply.

[04:37:41]

Dagmar:

Kichigai: it's been marked immutable or the filesystem itself is read-only

[04:37:51]

Lexridge:

get one that fits your existing ATX (i assume) psu mounts.

[04:38:48]

SlicerDicer:

thats neat Lexridge

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SlicerDicer:

Lexridge: I have a 600watt psu in there right now

[04:39:46]

SlicerDicer:

overkill for sure... but I want to make sure its not pulling a large load on it and stressing it :)

[04:40:06]

Lexridge:

look up the istarUSA power supplies. They are sweet!

[04:40:37]

Lexridge:

but however they are way too expensive!!

[04:40:39]

SlicerDicer:

thats what I was looking at

[04:41:27]

SlicerDicer:

500 watt 269

[04:41:34]

Lexridge:

redundant?

[04:41:46]

Dagmar:

Yeah for that you can pretty much buy a second machine for dedicated backups

[04:42:06]

Lexridge:

yes indeed!

[04:42:08]

SlicerDicer:

yep Lexridge

[04:42:09]

Dagmar:

...or rather a used/spare box and a crapton of disks for it

[04:42:25]

SlicerDicer:

Dagmar: power bill

[04:42:31]

SlicerDicer:

I bet it would exceed costs over time

[04:42:37]

SlicerDicer:

go long go long!

[04:42:42]

SlicerDicer:

;-)

[04:42:48]

Dagmar:

Like you need to keep a backup machine running 24/7

[04:42:50]

Lexridge:

well, the spare p/s doesn't actually have any load on it, so it doesnt draw much

[04:43:01]

SlicerDicer:

Dagmar: in my case of obsessiveness yes :)

[04:43:03]

Dagmar:

Whoa no

[04:43:17]

Lexridge:

oh, the extra backup machine...well. use wake on lan to do the backups, then shut her back down...right?

[04:43:17]

Dagmar:

Who is making redundant power supplies that don't run them both at once?

[04:43:31]

Anusien:

What is the command to scan for new media files the way you can in mythfrontend?

[04:43:32]

Dagmar:

Both run all the time, so if one fails the stuff keeps going

[04:43:34]

SlicerDicer:

Lexridge: I dont like shutting down hardware :/

[04:43:49]

SlicerDicer:

Lexridge: I have had many times bootup death of hardware :/

[04:44:06]

Dagmar:

Believe me we have bunches of machines like that here

[04:44:07]

SlicerDicer:

blown 2 mobos, 3 gfx cards, 2 harddrives etc etc

[04:44:33]

Lexridge:

Dagmar: All our stuff at work has practically zero load on that the redundant p/s, until the main fails.

[04:44:45]

Dagmar:

Like I said, who is making those

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Kichigai:

SlicerDicer, why would /etc/network/interfaces be RO?

[04:44:52]

Dagmar:

IBM and Dell aren't shipping out stuff like that, and neither is HP

[04:45:03]

Dagmar:

I need to know to avoid them

[04:45:05]

Lexridge:

I'm guessing the caps supply enough power for the switchover to take place.

[04:45:17]

Dagmar:

Lexridge: Are you *sure* they're doing what you think they're doing?

[04:45:18]

SlicerDicer:

Kichigai: I am the wrong person to ask about networking.. I dont know it from drake.. google usually is my friend there :)

[04:45:29]

Kichigai:

I mean the file.

[04:45:43]

SlicerDicer:

ohh the file?

[04:45:49]

SlicerDicer:

is the filesystem mounted read only?

[04:45:57]

Lexridge:

We have checked these with an ammeter while both sides were powered up. One was sucking hard, while the others were very low.

[04:46:06]

Dagmar:

Lexridge: A circuit dedicated to "failover" like you're talking about is merely another part to fail

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Lexridge:

that's very true, but I've not seen it happen in my experience.

[04:46:24]

Dagmar:

We've got one two NEC boxes that appear to be designed to do what you're talking about.

[04:46:46]

Dagmar:

I've already had one of them screw me when I tried to move one of it's power cables. Turns out they *stopped being redundant* (yay!)

[04:46:58]

SlicerDicer:

Lexridge: but yeah eventually I want to get 4 1tb drives for myth

[04:47:03]

Dagmar:

Everything else here, and I do mean out of *hundreds* of machines, runs both PSUs at the same time for a reason

[04:47:11]

Dagmar:

it's called redundant power paths

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Lexridge:

Dagmar: wow, never have seen that, but I always use the reduntants when moving around pluggin arrangments. Never a problem so far except for the annyoing alarm.

[04:47:42]

Dagmar:

We've got them plugged into separate circuits on separate "small cottage sized" UPSes

[04:47:52]

Lexridge:

same here

[04:47:55]

SlicerDicer:

Lexridge: you want to see something really strange?

[04:48:02]

Lexridge:

except one BIG ups

[04:48:03]

SlicerDicer:

my raid setup will boggle your mind lol

[04:48:08]

Dagmar:

...so if one of the power supplies fails, no problem. If one of the CDUs they're plugged into fails, no problem.

[04:48:10]

SlicerDicer:

well not boggle but make you say wtf?

[04:48:22]

Lexridge:

Each rack plugin strip is on a seperate breaker, which is nice

[04:48:28]

Lexridge:

there are two per rack

[04:48:36]

Dagmar:

If the power fails and one of our UPSes doesn't go into failover properly, we're still good.

[04:48:46]

Dagmar:

If you've got them trying to switch over on the fly, that's a design flaw.

[04:48:48]

Lexridge:

I would not be in that case

[04:49:17]

SlicerDicer:

Lexridge: btw any ideas on how to come by a decent ups without dropping a crapton of cash?

[04:49:32]

SlicerDicer:

I tried craigslist for APC used to get a new battery

[04:49:33]

Dagmar:

SlicerDicer: No such animal that I've ever seen

[04:49:37]

SlicerDicer:

and thats about a giant negatory...

[04:49:51]

Lexridge:

SlicerDicer: They are not that expensive for a farily large unit.

[04:49:54]

Dagmar:

UPSes are always expensive once you go above the "keeps your desktop running for 15 minutes" mark

[04:50:13]

SlicerDicer:

yeah

[04:50:17]

SlicerDicer:

5 mins would be good with me

[04:50:22]

SlicerDicer:

power is usually not down long here

[04:50:33]

Dagmar:

So get an ES350, which is APCs starter line

[04:50:48]

Dagmar:

They need to do something about their recycling on those

[04:50:57]

Dagmar:

The replacement battery costs as much as a new unit

[04:51:02]

SlicerDicer:

Lexridge: http://rafb.net/p/m31jEA52.html

[04:51:38]

Lexridge:

Dagmar: They do switch over on the fly. Most stuff is only plugged in once ATM. But I am constantly rewiring the datacenter, and use the second plug for temp power while moving the main plug.

[04:51:38]

SlicerDicer:

are you serious? 44$

[04:52:13]

Dagmar:

Lexridge: I still want to know who you're buying those from so I can make sure no one here buys them

[04:53:01]

SlicerDicer:

Dagmar: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Searc . . . #detailspecs

[04:53:04]

SlicerDicer:

that one might be better?

[04:53:09]

Dagmar:

I *know* the load is balanced between power supplies on all the things here because the built-in meters on the CDUs are one of the things we use to make sure the load is balanced across circuits

[04:53:45]

Lexridge:

Dagmar: Harris, Omneon, Echolab, Sierra. All those companies

[04:53:52]

Dagmar:

SlicerDicer: That's about what I've got running my cablemodem, firewall, and Myth box

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Dagmar:

Lexridge: Let me guess, they're making their own cases as well

[04:54:23]

Lexridge:

Dagmar: Perhaps we are talking about different things? Or perhaps I just don't understand how redundant psus work?

[04:54:29]

SlicerDicer:

Dagmar: I would really like to have APC though :)

[04:54:41]

Dagmar:

Lexridge: The redundant ones here run both PSUs at once

[04:54:52]

Lexridge:

so they split the load?

[04:54:56]

Dagmar:

So if one fails, absolutely nothing happens to what's going into the mainboar

[04:54:58]

Dagmar:

Yes.

[04:55:32]

Lexridge:

okay, so two 10amp redundant psu's are drawing 5 watts each at full output?

[04:55:55]

Dagmar:

Generally yeah

[04:56:18]

Dagmar:

We use something evry similar to this model http://servertech.com/Portals/0/products/pdf/SmartCDUCS-21V.pdf for mounting in the racks

[04:56:21]

SlicerDicer:

so how do you calculate VA to time?

[04:56:43]

Dagmar:

About the only difference is by looking at that one I can see it doesn't have the giant breakers for each branch

[04:57:16]

edoceo:

How do I make it so my tty1 console doesn't blank out?

[04:57:30]

Dagmar:

stty blank off iirc

[04:57:33]

Dagmar:

Not 100% sure about it

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edoceo:

Dagmar: where does that go? rc.local or similar?

[04:58:13]

edoceo:

I heard about setterm but have to have console open first, want to do this before I log in (cause some times I never do)

[04:58:13]

Lexridge:

Dagmar: we are talking about different things. I'm not taking about reduntacy in upses, but redundant power supplies in equipment.

[04:58:34]

Dagmar:

Lexridge: I'm talking about redundant everythings

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d0netsFN:

hey yall

[04:58:40]

Dagmar:

Particularly redundant power supplies

[04:58:42]

d0netsFN:

so i think my gf ordered my pvr 150

[04:58:44]

Lexridge:

sorry for the confusion

[04:58:47]

Dagmar:

The "live switchover" thing is a bad design

[04:58:58]

SlicerDicer:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16842101159 its nice!

[04:59:07]

d0netsFN:

i leave 5 days after xmas for a 2 week long trip so i would love to have my pc setup to record and stream, etc...

[04:59:16]

Dagmar:

edoceo: If it's the right command then pretty much anywhere you like should do

[04:59:20]

d0netsFN:

so any pointers or suggestions?

[04:59:25]

Lexridge:

our APC datacenter UPS is three phase, 400volt, 30kw. It is not redundant.

[04:59:25]

d0netsFN:

im a complete myth/mediapc newb

[04:59:35]

Dagmar:

Lexridge: We have redundant everything here.

[04:59:39]

d0netsFN:

im trying to get a decent idea of how it all works

[04:59:41]

edoceo:

Those commands only operate on the active terminal

[04:59:45]

d0netsFN:

so i can get everything setup in my small time window

[04:59:55]

edoceo:

I need this powersave/blanking options set before the 'login:' runs

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CCFL_Man2:

i'd love a cherrypicker

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Lexridge:

We cannot afford that kind of redundancy

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Dagmar:

edoceo: Technically you just need it run before the screen blanks the first time

[05:00:39]

Lexridge:

Our UPS was $35. Can't spend that much twice. I'm sure yours were much more expensive!

[05:00:45]

Lexridge:

$35K that is

[05:00:53]

edoceo:

Dagmar: http://alexis.m2osw.com/console.html – ftw!

[05:01:23]

Dagmar:

edoceo: Been too long. I just looked in my init script. setterm -blank 0

[05:02:34]

edoceo:

Dagmar: Which script? local? bootmisc? where is better?

[05:02:34]

Dagmar:

edoceo: Whichever thing you use to stuff in the miscellaneous things you might want run before the system allows people to login

[05:02:34]

Dagmar:

It doesn't really matter.

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edoceo:

thx

[05:03:06]

Dagmar:

Ugh that page has people typing raw ANSI

[05:03:52]

Dagmar:

Probably safer to stick with invoking setterm since it's likely to be around if you have to deal with other Unices

[05:04:34]

edoceo:

Yea, and it looks like the "Gentoo-ish" method is to add to /etc/init.d/local.start or local.stop

[05:04:50]

edoceo:

pwd

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Dagmar:

No DNS

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Dagmar:

wrong chan

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d0netsFN:

hey guys

[05:13:42]

d0netsFN:

would myth be a replacement for orb?

[05:13:44]

d0netsFN:

like orb for nix?

[05:14:13]

Dagmar:

Nope

[05:14:21]

d0netsFN:

hrmm

[05:14:22]

d0netsFN:

explain

[05:14:35]

Dagmar:

Hah

[05:14:36]

d0netsFN:

i mean what all does/can it do

[05:14:40]

Dagmar:

Read both their website.

[05:14:43]

d0netsFN:

is it a full nix distro?

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iamlindoro__:

Erm... read the web site/wiki/manual yourself?

[05:14:44]

Dagmar:

s

[05:14:57]

iamlindoro__:

This isn't #mythtv-sales

[05:15:01]

d0netsFN:

lol

[05:15:06]

Dagmar:

It's a bit unreasonable to expect someone else to sit and type to you all the stuff that's on two separate websites.

[05:15:24]

d0netsFN:

dude i know how irc works

[05:15:27]

d0netsFN:

its a simple question

[05:15:39]

d0netsFN:

does it stream your home media

[05:15:46]

iamlindoro__:

Knowing how to log in to IRC != knowing how it works

[05:16:05]

iamlindoro__:

Go read the web site/wiki

[05:16:10]

d0netsFN:

im not asking you to hold my hand, im asking about the general utility of myth

[05:16:13]

d0netsFN:

ok

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Dagmar:

Hey it's useable.

[05:16:48]

Dagmar:

Myth is a PVR.

[05:16:54]

Dagmar:

As a PVR it's useable.

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Dagmar:

Orb isn't a PVR.

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d0netsFN:

ya it is

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d0netsFN:

it connects to tuner cards just as myth does

[05:17:23]

d0netsFN:

has a guide, etc...

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iamlindoro__:

Erm, orb is *not* a PVR

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Dagmar:

Orb is not designed as a PVR. Deal with it.

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d0netsFN:

i dont want to argue

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d0netsFN:

"Orb is your Personal Video Recorder without the hassle and cost of a PVR set top box!"

[05:22:23]

Dagmar:

Look around, see if we care

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d0netsFN:

but is that lies?

[05:22:28]

Dagmar:

Do your own research

[05:23:18]

Dagmar:

Orb looks like a professional product with support options.

[05:23:29]

Dagmar:

If you like that, no one's stopping you.

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d0netsFN:

i like orb

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d0netsFN:

but i dont like windblows

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d0netsFN:

thats why i am asking about myth

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Dagmar:

So read the website

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d0netsFN:

i am sorry i asked about myth in the mythtv-users channel

[05:24:32]

d0netsFN:

i will never asked about relevant topics again

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d0netsFN:

forgive me

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Dagmar:

Myth is 0.21 still, with all the "joys" that a 0.x release entails

[05:25:01]

Dagmar:

Damn two shortbus riders into the ignore list in one night

[05:25:16]

d0netsFN:

umoms riders you mean

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cesman:

MythTV isn't a distro. There are distro's the include it out the box. If you check the wiki, you'll find guides for installing it on various distros.

[05:26:13]

d0netsFN:

ok thank you cesman

[05:26:19]

cesman:

you're welcome

[05:26:50]

cesman:

if you check the mailing list archive/wiki, you'll find various scripts to transcode to various devices

[05:28:14]

d0netsFN:

oh nice its all in the respositories?

[05:28:18]

d0netsFN:

(ubuntu 8.10)

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d0netsFN:

thats way cool, very excite!

[05:28:45]

** cesman doesn't use ubuntu **

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Lexridge:

d0netsFN: Try installing something like MythDora, or Knoppmyth

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Dagmar:

Those are good for people who refuse to read

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Lexridge:

kinda my thoughts too. ;) but good nonetheless.

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d0netsFN:

ok so those are the full distros, i would imagine the "mythbuntu" i see on youtube is the same

[05:31:39]

d0netsFN:

but i would rather just install everything manually on my current distro

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** cesman would hardly call installing via apt a manual process ;) **

[05:32:28]

d0netsFN:

true dat

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d0netsFN:

but you know what i mean

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Lexridge:

depending on your dist, there are several options rpm, deb, etc. Pick which one is best for you. Are you already familiar with linux?

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d0netsFN:

lol yes

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Lexridge:

well, install away then. What's stopping you?

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d0netsFN:

no pvr150 yet

[05:33:48]

d0netsFN:

but touche

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** d0netsFN apt-get installs myth* **

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Lexridge:

well, I guess that's a real show stopper.

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Dagmar:

yay more of the functionally illiterate

[05:34:43]

Lexridge:

All I can say is, you will not be disappointed with MythTV. I'm not familiar with Orb, but MythTV is awesome!!!!!

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Dagmar:

Lexridge: From looking at their website their main focus is on streaming media from one PC to various PCs/devices

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d0netsFN:

right dagmar, thats why i asked about the comparison to orb

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Lexridge:

humm, not even close to MythTV!

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d0netsFN:

because lots of people post on forums, searching for orb for linux

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d0netsFN:

people have a plethora of small apps like jinzora

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d0netsFN:

to attempt a shot at the functionality of orb

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d0netsFN:

but it appears myth is it...

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Kichigai:

Is there any way to change the brightness level of video coming out of my PVR-150?

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Dagmar:

Yep

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Kichigai:

How?

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Dagmar:

There's various v4l controls.

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Dagmar:

You're probably better off changing the _playback_ brightness tho

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Kichigai:

PVR-150 is handled by v4l? I thought it was under ivtv?

[05:37:48]

Dagmar:

Kichigai: You're confused about what both are

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cesman:

d0netsFN: no it isn't

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Kichigai:

I must be.

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Dagmar:

v4l isn't a driver, it's a framework

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Dagmar:

Seriously tho. Use X controls or the frontend controls (they're in there somewhere) to change the brightness

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Lexridge:

d0betsFN: MythTV can do everything you want, and more. You have to have supported h/w (which is a fairly large list) and you must READ a LOT!!!

[05:39:15]

Dagmar:

There's no direct "thing" in a broadcast that could cause a video image to be too dark and therefore need adjusting

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Lexridge:

dagmar: unless the broadcaster is just simply not correcting a bad tape/dub/mpeg...etc

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d0netsFN:

lexridge

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Dagmar:

If you diddle the recording you're just going to be throwing away fidelity

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d0netsFN:

does it stream your movies and music?

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d0netsFN:

pics?

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Kichigai:

Dagmar, my front-end is an OS X laptop, I don't really have X controls to mess with.

[05:41:55]

d0netsFN:

it looks like we need some pda clients

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meshe:

is there any way to switch a show that livetv has finished recording to a saved recording?

[05:42:09]

Dagmar:

Kichigai: Look in the frontend setup menus

[05:42:21]

Dagmar:

..and you can't tell me that Macs don't have some way to do that

[05:42:33]

Kichigai:

d0netsFN, that would be nice. I'd like a nice Symbian front-end that works OK over EDGE... but I doubt I'll ever have it.

[05:43:00]

Lexridge:

there was once available a MythFrontend for the Sharp Zaurus.

[05:43:00]

Kichigai:

Dagmar, they don

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Lexridge:

so I've heard, anyhow.

[05:43:22]

Kichigai:

Err, Dagmar, they do, but I'm running it in a window, while working on other things.

[05:43:34]

d0netsFN:

yea kichigai i want one for android

[05:43:43]

d0netsFN:

i think someone is on it though

[05:44:00]

Kichigai:

d0netsFN, And what's so wrong with having on for Symbian? ;)

[05:44:41]

d0netsFN:

lol android is 1337

[05:44:56]

d0netsFN:

no need for anything else

[05:45:00]

d0netsFN:

(jk ofc)

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jams:

meshe- should be able to change the groups within the watch recording screen, you will need to change the filter to show live-tv

[05:45:49]

Kichigai:

Well, aside from the fact it lets its applications walk all over it, and mess with its settings, it's not bad.

[05:46:12]

d0netsFN:

and kichigai orb streamed fine over edge so it has to be possible

[05:46:19]

meshe:

jams: but won't it delete it after x time like it usually does with live tv recordings?

[05:46:31]

meshe:

i want to keep these ones

[05:46:49]

jams:

right change the filter to show live-tv, then use the menus to change the group

[05:46:52]

d0netsFN:

it reduced quality though according to teh current speed of the stream

[05:47:21]

meshe:

jams: ahhh, i see what you mean, thans

[05:48:05]

Kichigai:

d0netsFN, true, but I'm just saying, I don't think Myth has that kind of speed-detection technology built-in yet.

[05:49:01]

Kichigai:

...and no one seems to care about platforms that aren't Android or iPhone-flavored Mac OS.

[05:49:30]

d0netsFN:

yes they do

[05:49:35]

d0netsFN:

they just dont care about symbian : /

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d0netsFN:

know why

[05:50:00]

d0netsFN:

?

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d0netsFN:

because i dont know a single person running it

[05:51:23]

d0netsFN:

and thats just because of a lack of marketing

[05:51:35]

d0netsFN:

so you are right, but you missed 2, wm6 and blackberry

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Kichigai:

No one cares about WM6 or BB since the G1 or the iPhone.

[05:53:35]

d0netsFN:

well

[05:53:39]

d0netsFN:

blackberry is corporate

[05:53:46]

Kichigai:

There's like a hojillion location-aware shopping apps for Android/mOSX, but 0 for WM6, BlackBerry, or Symbian.

[05:53:47]

d0netsFN:

so right you wont get "cool dev"

[05:53:58]

d0netsFN:

and as for wm6

[05:54:06]

Kichigai:

There's a java one called Slifter, but you have to manually enter your zip code and product info.

[05:54:08]

d0netsFN:

its just too hard for "average" users to figure out how to install shit

[05:54:11]

d0netsFN:

i mean active sync is retarted

[05:54:31]

d0netsFN:

and your avg person doesnt want to deal with a cab

[05:54:41]

d0netsFN:

so appstore and market win

[05:54:49]

d0netsFN:

and that == more dev

[05:55:26]

d0netsFN:

dont get me wrong

[05:55:32]

d0netsFN:

i hate the iphone

[05:55:43]

Kichigai:

Let's review: Symbian S60 is the largest smartphone OS, BBOS is second, and WinMo is third. Andriod and mOSX are in last place, but making up ground fast, but get more attentino.

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d0netsFN:

i think its nice and shiny on the outside, but on the inside its a fat little whore who cant do 2 things at once

[05:55:52]

Kichigai:

Cabs are a piece of cake to deal with, as are SIS's.

[05:55:54]

jams:

d0netsFN- swearing is highly discouraged here

[05:55:59]

d0netsFN:

oh sorry

[05:56:05]

d0netsFN:

yea cabs are easy

[05:56:10]

d0netsFN:

but people dont want to deal with it

[05:56:13]

Kichigai:

Click-click-done.

[05:56:15]

d0netsFN:

and it doesnt allow ratings and reviews

[05:56:23]

d0netsFN:

it doesnt update, etc...

[05:56:32]

Kichigai:

Tht doesn't mean people don't use it or should be developing for it.

[05:56:52]

Kichigai:

Hell, the only OS with a decent application-based security model is Symbian.

[05:56:55]

d0netsFN:

i didnt say they wereent

[05:56:59]

d0netsFN:

i said it == more dev

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d0netsFN:

more being key word

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kormoc:

d0netsFN, watch your language in here

[05:57:41]

kormoc:

Kichigai, because sandboxed apps (via chroot jails) isn't decent?

[05:57:41]

d0netsFN:

watch your redundancy in here

[05:57:43]

Kichigai:

Look at OS X: it doesn't have those features.

[05:57:58]

Kichigai:

kormoc, not when they can turn data roaming on against your will.

[05:58:04]

kormoc:

Kichigai, they can't

[05:58:17]

d0netsFN:

they can in android

[05:58:21]

d0netsFN:

i saw something about it yesterday

[05:58:32]

Kichigai:

http://androidcommunity.com/t-mobile-makes-of . . . ue-20081210/

[05:58:34]

d0netsFN:

but still , kichigai, use android for a day, you will see the light

[05:58:39]

d0netsFN:

its just a nicer OS

[05:58:42]

d0netsFN:

than *

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kormoc:

not on the iphone/ipod touch, that's abstracted out in the hardware level

[05:59:03]

d0netsFN:

but the main thing is the openness

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Kichigai:

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with Android, I'm just saying it's depressing that people are only developing for the "cool" OSes

[05:59:15]

d0netsFN:

the application dev that is going on is incredible

[05:59:43]

Kichigai:

Symbian's plenty open, has a gigantic installed userbase, tons of awesome features, but no one develops anything for it.

[05:59:55]

d0netsFN:

as i said earlier

[05:59:56]

d0netsFN:

marketing

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d0netsFN:

and i wouldnt call it a gigantic installed userbase

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d0netsFN:

as i said i dont know a single person with a symbian based phone

[06:00:57]

Kichigai:

That's because Nokia's US marketing team is a bunch of lobotomized babboons.

[06:01:04]

Kichigai:

Nokia OWNS Europe

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Kichigai:

http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/24/nokia-grab . . . illion-in-q/

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Lexridge:

Nokia used to own America too, in the beginning when they were by far the cheapest hardware.

[06:02:45]

d0netsFN:

right

[06:02:48]

Lexridge:

competition has changed

[06:02:48]

d0netsFN:

i was about to argue that

[06:02:57]

d0netsFN:

europe just got the iphone

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d0netsFN:

and they dont have the g1

[06:03:26]

d0netsFN:

when there are multiple, and better devices for android, i think it will take over

[06:03:43]

d0netsFN:

the key is multiple devices

[06:03:49]

d0netsFN:

if apple would make an iphone with a qwerty

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d0netsFN:

i think they would beat blackberry

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Kichigai:

There's nothing unique about Android's hardware, though. It's mostly features that can be found on a lot of Nokias and WinMo devices.

[06:04:19]

d0netsFN:

umm are you serial?

[06:04:21]

Lexridge:

I don't really follow the cell market, as I have a really cheap phone, and tend to stay as far away from it as I can. :)

[06:04:25]

d0netsFN:

accelerometer

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d0netsFN:

compass

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d0netsFN:

jogball + touchscreen

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d0netsFN:

qwerty

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kormoc:

d0netsFN, the apple platform has a qwerty keyboard, unless you're talking a physical keyboard

[06:04:48]

d0netsFN:

no other device has all that

[06:04:59]

Kichigai:

N82, N95, N96 all had those features (except the touch screen). E70 had the keyboard.

[06:05:04]

d0netsFN:

lol kormoc...

[06:05:06]

Kichigai:

Jogball isn't a quantum leap in software.

[06:05:12]

Kichigai:

err, hardware

[06:05:14]

d0netsFN:

but it brings in blackberry users

[06:05:22]

d0netsFN:

and no other phone has touch screen and jogball

[06:05:33]

Kichigai:

No one buys a phone for the jogball.

[06:05:42]

d0netsFN:

my brother wants the g1 because it has both

[06:05:46]

d0netsFN:

so technicaly, yes they do

[06:05:56]

Kichigai:

People bought BlackBerry because, for hte longest time, it was THE Smartphone. In many companies, it still is.

[06:06:06]

d0netsFN:

right

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d0netsFN:

companies

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d0netsFN:

blackberry == corporate

[06:06:16]

Kichigai:

IF you have a touch screen, why do you need the jog-ball?

[06:06:25]

Kichigai:

Look at the PEarl and tell me that's corporate.

[06:06:26]

d0netsFN:

and kormoc the iphone keyboard blows

[06:06:37]

Kichigai:

The iPhone keyboard is pretty bad.

[06:06:47]

d0netsFN:

i dont know kichigai, but the blackberry people lub their balls

[06:06:51]

d0netsFN:

right

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Kichigai:

:\

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d0netsFN:

there is so much stuff i do on my g1

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d0netsFN:

that i would never want to do on the iphone

[06:07:17]

d0netsFN:

irc, instant messaging, ssh, etc..

[06:07:19]

kormoc:

d0netsFN, I'm actually a fan

[06:07:20]

Kichigai:

No, the blackberry people love the e-mail, syncing (Windows and OS X), and it's tried-and-true security model.

[06:07:40]

d0netsFN:

i reorganized my storage drive on my home pc, via ssh from my g1

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d0netsFN:

in class

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d0netsFN:

i would never want to attempt that with the iphone keyboard

[06:08:04]

Kichigai:

People have been doing that for eons with Symbian and WinMo units forever.

[06:08:13]

kormoc:

d0netsFN, I've used the ssh client on the ipod touch quite a few times now quite happily

[06:08:17]

Kichigai:

And FYI, I have done some console stuff with the iphone keyboard, it's not THAT bad.

[06:08:22]

d0netsFN:

kormoc

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Kichigai:

I wouldn't write more than a few lines of an e-mail with it, but it's not the worst thing ever.

[06:08:34]

d0netsFN:

the argument was "that i would never want to do"

[06:08:39]

Kichigai:

At least it's not the Storm's keyboard.

[06:08:44]

d0netsFN:

the iphone keyboard sucks compared to a real qwerty

[06:09:06]

kormoc:

d0netsFN, so why do you have a problem with me giving a counter opinion?

[06:09:29]

d0netsFN:

i dont

[06:09:32]

d0netsFN:

but i have used both

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d0netsFN:

and i know i type much faster and error free with a real qwerty

[06:10:02]

kormoc:

the small keys are so much harder for me, my fingers are too big for them

[06:10:08]

Kichigai:

Anyway, so far no one has given me a single reason NOT to develop software for platforms other than Android or mOSX

[06:10:19]

d0netsFN:

yes i did

[06:10:22]

d0netsFN:

and you agreed

[06:10:23]

d0netsFN:

marketing

[06:10:32]

kormoc:

marketing is the reason not to?

[06:10:35]

** kormoc blinks **

[06:10:48]

Kichigai:

I'd say having a huge market share is THE reason to develop for something.

[06:10:50]

kormoc:

free marketing for your target platforms seems like a good reason for that platform

[06:10:51]

d0netsFN:

yes, lack of marketing == lack of userbase == lack of incentive for dev

[06:10:53]

Kichigai:

Qik aparently thinks so

[06:11:07]

Kichigai:

Didn't we just agree that Nokia owns the mobile OS market?

[06:11:18]

d0netsFN:

lol in europe

[06:11:28]

Kichigai:

Globally.

[06:11:30]

Kichigai:

And users are users.

[06:11:30]

d0netsFN:

and like we said, thats because of the time they have been around, and the cheap phones

[06:11:34]

d0netsFN:

there is no dev for the cheap phones

[06:11:38]

Kichigai:

I wouldn't call the N95 "cheap"

[06:11:39]

d0netsFN:

we are talking about pdas

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Kichigai:

Or the E90

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d0netsFN:

find me a market share for nokia pdas and smartphones

[06:11:51]

Kichigai:

Or the N97

[06:12:02]

Kichigai:

http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/24/nokia-grab . . . illion-in-q/

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Kichigai:

40%

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d0netsFN:

pdas and smartphones

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Kichigai:

And what's Android's market share?

[06:12:37]

d0netsFN:

and how long have they been around? how many handsets?

[06:12:40]

d0netsFN:

how many carriers?

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d0netsFN:

a couple months, 1 , 1

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d0netsFN:

but look at the future

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d0netsFN:

and look at who its backed b y

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d0netsFN:

and the OS is made by

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Kichigai:

That's still not a reason to NOT develop for platforms that already have a large userbase.

[06:14:33]

d0netsFN:

that article is from 2007

[06:14:39]

Kichigai:

Jan 24, 2008.

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d0netsFN:

the iphone 3g wasnt even out then

[06:14:57]

d0netsFN:

ok i ment the statistics

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d0netsFN:

were for 2007

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Kichigai:

http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/28/nokia-quak . . . oard-and-mo/

[06:15:40]

Kichigai:

^ While I'm looking for your stats, let me know when the G1 or iPhone can do that

[06:16:10]

d0netsFN:

!google wifi army android

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d0netsFN:

oops i forget this isnt my channel

[06:16:24]

d0netsFN:

kichigai they are going to have wifi first person shooters...

[06:16:42]

d0netsFN:

they are going to have gps rpgs where you spawn guns on street corners and collect kills by other players walking by

[06:17:06]

d0netsFN:

and when i say wifi fps, i mean you use your phones camera, wifi, and gps, and you aim at them and throw nades and such

[06:17:16]

Kichigai:

Sounds like that PacMan ARG they developed like six years ago.

[06:17:21]

Kichigai:

And S60 already has a couple of those.

[06:18:15]

d0netsFN:

for my alarm clock, to turn it off, i turn it over

[06:18:30]

Kichigai:

That's not a reason for me to ignore S60, WM6 or BBOS

[06:18:58]

d0netsFN:

theres an app that lets you put your phone in your baby's room, and when it cries, it calls your wifes phone and you can pick up and listen

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d0netsFN:

theres an app that controls your ringer so when you put it face down on a desk, its silent, when its face up it rings, when its upside down in your pocket its silent, when its right side up it rings

[06:19:48]

Kichigai:

Those aren't reasons to NOT develop for something.

[06:20:02]

d0netsFN:

but they are reasons TO develope for something

[06:20:08]

d0netsFN:

and that = reasons NOT to develope for others

[06:20:09]

Kichigai:

No they're not.

[06:20:12]

d0netsFN:

opportunity cost

[06:20:16]

Kichigai:

They're examples of things people developed

[06:20:21]

d0netsFN:

right

[06:20:22]

Kichigai:

And this is software, not physical goods.

[06:20:37]

Kichigai:

Was there an opportunity cost for Blizzard to develop World of Warcraft for both OS X and Windows?

[06:20:40]

d0netsFN:

but it uses physical goods (compass, accelerometer)

[06:20:44]

kormoc:

this seems like it'll never end guys...

[06:20:48]

d0netsFN:

do any nokia phones have an accelerometer?

[06:20:56]

Kichigai:

N82, N95, N96 to name a pair.

[06:20:59]

Kichigai:

Err, three.

[06:21:05]

d0netsFN:

cool

[06:21:41]

d0netsFN:

im not arguing that people shouldnt dev for anything

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Kichigai:

You'll also notice they have a proven security model, a good track record for stability, no creepy big-brother looking into everything, an open platform, and a real glass lens for the camera.

[06:21:50]

d0netsFN:

my argument is that ive used a few phones

[06:21:58]

d0netsFN:

and the android experience is pretty damn cool

[06:21:59]

d0netsFN:

not the apps

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Kichigai:

Then you're not arguing wht I'm arguing.

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d0netsFN:

the OS itself is just incredible

[06:22:12]

Kichigai:

The OS is full of holes.

[06:22:33]

Kichigai:

Until a month ago, you could type "reboot" at any point in the "experience" and restart your phone.

[06:22:36]

d0netsFN:

1.5 holes

[06:22:40]

Kichigai:

It logged every key press you made.

[06:22:42]

d0netsFN:

1 = the roaming

[06:22:50]

d0netsFN:

.5 = root

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Kichigai:

It passes all data (eventually) to Google.

[06:22:57]

Kichigai:

Root is not "half" a hole.

[06:23:00]

Kichigai:

Root is a MAJOR hole.

[06:23:06]

d0netsFN:

i say half because its something wanted

[06:23:11]

kormoc:

Kichigai, prove that one (the passes all data to Google)

[06:23:20]

d0netsFN:

because i rooted my g1, i now have made it a dev version with the engineering bootloader

[06:24:18]

Kichigai:

BTW: another securiry hole: http://www.tomsguide.com/us/google-android-g1 . . . ws-2844.html

[06:25:17]

Kichigai:

And all my data eventually goes to Google in the form of (At least) the calendar, contacts and mail.

[06:25:34]

Kichigai:

Nothing against Google, I use all three of those services on my Nokia and WM phone, but I like the option to NOT use them.

[06:25:52]

d0netsFN:

then dont use android

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kormoc:

Kichigai, they've never said that you had to use them, nor did they say others couldn't develop their own

[06:25:54]

d0netsFN:

nuff said

[06:26:00]

d0netsFN:

im a google fanboi

[06:26:07]

d0netsFN:

google can have my babies if they want

[06:26:10]

Kichigai:

kormoc, there's no other way to sync your data, though.

[06:26:20]

d0netsFN:

lies

[06:26:25]

d0netsFN:

theres sever exchange apps

[06:26:29]

kormoc:

Kichigai, until someone develops one, perhaps, but they've never said they wouldn't allow that

[06:26:29]

d0netsFN:

they arent all complete yet

[06:26:33]

d0netsFN:

but there are ways

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Kichigai:

OK, back to the original topic: why NOT develop for plaforms other than Android or mOSX?

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kormoc:

Kichigai, because I only own a ipod touch?

[06:27:44]

Kichigai:

kormoc, I didn't say exclusively. iTouch 1G or 2G?

[06:27:59]

d0netsFN:

there is no reason kichigai

[06:28:04]

kormoc:

Kichigai, 2ed g, 8 gig

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d0netsFN:

and there are devs for symbian

[06:28:13]

d0netsFN:

but the majority go where the future is

[06:28:19]

d0netsFN:

and if people see the future elsewhere

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d0netsFN:

there is nothing that can be done

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Kichigai:

kormoc, I got the 1G with my laptop. I can't honestly see why anyone would want the iPhone if they could just have the iTouch. It's $960 cheaper!

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d0netsFN:

960?

[06:29:19]

d0netsFN:

i paid 199 for my iphone

[06:29:20]

kormoc:

Kichigai, aye, I do prepay cell service, I pay less then $100 a year for my phone, and combined with the ipod, I'm quite happy

[06:29:25]

Kichigai:

$40/mo for data over two years.

[06:29:43]

Kichigai:

Or is it $45 for the iPhone now?

[06:29:47]

d0netsFN:

for what

[06:29:48]

Kichigai:

All I know is that it's manditory.

[06:29:50]

Kichigai:

Data.

[06:29:51]

kormoc:

give me a smart phone I can do prepay with and I'd be a happy man, but they don't have that

[06:29:52]

d0netsFN:

data for iphone is 29.99

[06:30:01]

d0netsFN:

data for g1 is like 25 with 400 texts free

[06:30:03]

kormoc:

d0netsFN, the 3g stuff upped that I thought

[06:30:10]

d0netsFN:

nope

[06:30:16]

Kichigai:

kormoc, I hate to harp on it,but an unlocked Nokia running Symbian will do that. Or an unlocked WinMo phone too.

[06:30:34]

Kichigai:

I'm pretty sure the rates went up with the 3G

[06:30:45]

kormoc:

Kichigai, and how much for the device? I'm including the phone cost in that $100/year rate

[06:30:47]

d0netsFN:

i just had the iphone 3 months ago

[06:30:57]

Kichigai:

kormoc, for MobileMe?

[06:31:07]

kormoc:

Kichigai, nah, for my prepay cell

[06:31:26]

Kichigai:

kormoc, Oh. Well, you can get an N82 for like $300, unlocked.

[06:31:29]

Kichigai:

It has WiFi

[06:32:13]

Kichigai:

IT doesn't have American 3G, though.

[06:32:34]

d0netsFN:

you can get unlocked g1 for 355 with 8 gig micro sd

[06:32:36]

d0netsFN:

case, etc...

[06:32:50]

Kichigai:

OK, the iPhone is $30/mo, but it's still manditory.

[06:33:17]

d0netsFN:

unless you pay 499 for it

[06:33:19]

d0netsFN:

and get a turbosim

[06:33:25]

Kichigai:

Can't do that.

[06:33:30]

Kichigai:

AT&T doesn't let you do that.

[06:33:36]

d0netsFN:

let you do wh at

[06:33:56]

d0netsFN:

my friend bought a regular iphone before the 3g

[06:33:58]

Kichigai:

Well, scratch that: NOW you can get an iPhone and not activate it in store, but you still need to be pre-approved to buy one.

[06:34:02]

d0netsFN:

he bought it out of contract

[06:34:09]

kormoc:

Cheapest at&t plan, $69.99, 450 minutes, 5000 night and weekend, unlimited data

[06:34:13]

d0netsFN:

he claims he gets free data

[06:34:19]

Kichigai:

ROFL, no way.

[06:34:25]

d0netsFN:

he called ATT and they made fun of him for calling and complaining about free data

[06:34:46]

d0netsFN:

he wasnt really complaining, he was more just concerned

[06:34:49]

Kichigai:

This story is sounding less and less likely.

[06:35:03]

d0netsFN:

i didnt believe it either

[06:35:05]

Kichigai:

kormoc, don't forget it's a two year contract.

[06:35:05]

d0netsFN:

but i trust the guy

[06:35:09]

kormoc:

Kichigai, still, $300 for a unlocked phone is 3x my yearly talk rate, that's a bit much

[06:35:10]

d0netsFN:

he works for slashdot

[06:35:59]

Kichigai:

kormoc, true. But smartphones will cost you no matter what. You could look into the N73 or the N80. If you don't care too much about stuff like the camera, consider the E70.

[06:36:15]

d0netsFN:

no they dont, if you dont mind a contract

[06:36:15]

Kichigai:

kormoc, also consider older, low-end WinMo phones.

[06:36:17]

d0netsFN:

letstalk.com

[06:36:30]

d0netsFN:

you can pick up quite a few smart phones for free, some with rebates though

[06:36:51]

Kichigai:

d0netsFN, that's not on a pay-as-you-go plan, that's with a contract.

[06:37:19]

Kichigai:

http://www.letstalk.com/cell-phones/shop.htm?tNav=4

[06:37:22]

kormoc:

d0netsFN, aye, I'm currently roughly at $6 a month with my prepay, as I talk so very little, I'm wanting to keep in that range

[06:37:36]

d0netsFN:

right like i said, with a contract

[06:37:39]

Kichigai:

Besides, Let's Talk doesn't sell phones without plans.

[06:37:48]

Kichigai:

And we're talking about phones sans contracts or plans.

[06:37:54]

Kichigai:

Just straight phones, like they do in Europe.

[06:38:01]

d0netsFN:

But smartphones will cost you no matter what.

[06:38:05]

Kichigai:

kormoc, I'm assuming a GSM provider?

[06:38:21]

kormoc:

Kichigai, t-moible, aye

[06:38:54]

Kichigai:

http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-Unlocked-Smartpho . . . 5&sr=8-1

[06:39:08]

Kichigai:

^ that's what I have (though I have the American model, with the 3G disabled)

[06:39:15]

Kichigai:

No WiFi, though.

[06:40:06]

Kichigai:

Here's the E70:

[06:40:07]

Kichigai:

http://cell-phones.shop.ebay.com/items/Cell-P . . . 3286.c0.m282

[06:40:33]

Kichigai:

It has WiFi, a QWERTY keyboard, one of the best screens Nokia's ever built, and built-in VoIP

[06:40:33]

d0netsFN:

(12:39:30 AM) St0ned: they want to know why nobody devs for symbian

[06:40:34]

d0netsFN:

(12:39:46 AM) St0ned: or scratch that, why nobody devs for anything other than android and iphone

[06:40:34]

d0netsFN:

(12:39:53 AM) nyt: i may port my irc client to symbian / iphone

[06:40:34]

d0netsFN:

(12:39:55 AM) nyt: we'll see

[06:40:39]

d0netsFN:

see people dev for symbian lol

[06:41:01]

d0netsFN:

i run #android on efnet

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d0netsFN:

hence the bias

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d0netsFN:

lulz

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Kichigai:

Also, if you don't mind the language: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone (Maddox prefers the E70)

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d0netsFN:

lol this is funny

[06:43:26]

Kichigai:

I love Maddox

[06:43:34]

Kichigai:

Oh Wow, GhostBusters!

[06:43:38]

jsumners:

why is there "myththemes" and "themes" in the source tree?

[06:44:04]

kormoc:

because one is core themes and one is extra themes

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jsumners:

ah, okay

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kormoc:

hrm

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kormoc:

has anyone played with the HP TouchSmart PCs?

[06:51:41]

d0netsFN:

lol

[06:51:43]

d0netsFN:

i havent

[06:51:48]

d0netsFN:

and this is irrelevant

[06:51:56]

d0netsFN:

but this girl in a class im taking has one

[06:52:04]

d0netsFN:

and my nerd friend was showing him thinkpads

[06:52:08]

d0netsFN:

and how durable it is

[06:52:30]

d0netsFN:

he hardly lifted the front of the laptop up, maybe an inch

[06:52:32]

d0netsFN:

and dropped it

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d0netsFN:

it died

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d0netsFN:

i lold

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Piper69:

howdy people

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Kichigai:

I know someone who bought a TouchSmart. Great idea for something like a kitchen PC.

[06:53:06]

Piper69:

who is in a goood moood to help me

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d0netsFN:

true dat

[06:53:14]

Kichigai:

Piper69, 'sup?

[06:53:25]

d0netsFN:

kichigai what i want them to make is a detachable touch screen lcd

[06:53:34]

d0netsFN:

so you can use it for your media pc

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Piper69:

Kichigai: i can't get mythtv to work for me

[06:53:41]

d0netsFN:

but then detatch it and take it into the kitchin

[06:53:49]

d0netsFN:

or the pooper

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kormoc:

also known as a laptop?

[06:54:11]

d0netsFN:

yes and no

[06:54:27]

Kichigai:

I think someone either built that or patented it.

[06:54:41]

Kichigai:

Piper69, well, we need more details than that.

[06:54:47]

d0netsFN:

f'n patents

[06:54:58]

d0netsFN:

how do you have a true free market with patents

[06:55:07]

Kichigai:

d0netsFN, It can be licensed. And so far we've been doing OK.

[06:55:18]

d0netsFN:

lol

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Piper69:

Kichigai: i know , hold on please

[06:55:26]

d0netsFN:

ok?

[06:55:41]

d0netsFN:

i wouldnt call a possible future economic collapse ok

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Kichigai:

d0netsFN, that has nothing to do with the patent system.

[06:56:31]

d0netsFN:

when what is your definition of ok?

[06:56:42]

d0netsFN:

and what is ok?

[06:56:45]

Kichigai:

What I want to see: something like an iPod Touch (or any device that can speak to my computer) that I can transfer "states" to. I can move a web browser tab on to and take with me. Or easily move drafts around on. Like the Minority Report interface.

[06:57:06]

Piper69:

Kichigai: check this http://paste.debian.net/23559/

[06:57:15]

Kichigai:

d0netsFN, well, for one it mandates creativity and uniqueness in the system. And what's brought about the economic issues is lending companies gone amok.

[06:57:16]

d0netsFN:

lol

[06:57:25]

d0netsFN:

kichigai, http://docs.google.com

[06:57:46]

Kichigai:

Piper69, your MySQL server isn't running.

[06:57:52]

d0netsFN:

what brought about the economic issues is gvt intervention

[06:58:04]

d0netsFN:

and then the attempt at bandaiding with more gvt intervention

[06:58:13]

d0netsFN:

action = reaction

[06:58:18]

Kichigai:

Oh God, here comes the politics.

[06:58:31]

Kichigai:

Sorry, I'll watch my mouth and not say the "P" word any more.

[06:58:33]

Kichigai:

;)

[06:58:53]

d0netsFN:

a manipulation of the credit of the country has caused malinvestment (poor lending due to artificially low rates)

[06:59:09]

** d0netsFN starts an END THA FED! chant **

[07:00:14]

Kichigai:

Anyway, as I was saying, I'd love a device I could move program states to. Like tell it to take the present state of MythTV on my portable device, so I can take it around the house with me.

[07:00:30]

d0netsFN:

right

[07:00:45]

d0netsFN:

thats what i was wanting kinda, but just with a little detachable tablet

[07:00:53]

d0netsFN:

i mean i still want my big ass lcd

[07:01:02]

d0netsFN:

but as a second monitor have a little detachable touch screen

[07:01:16]

d0netsFN:

wouldnt that achieve it/

[07:01:29]

Kichigai:

To a degree, but why create a whole new device?

[07:01:39]

Kichigai:

Why can't the iPhone/iPod Touch do that already?

[07:01:48]

d0netsFN:

android can

[07:01:50]

d0netsFN:

lulz

[07:02:02]

Kichigai:

Why not send a notification to my N73 via Bluetooth and tell it to load up this page at this length into the page?

[07:02:02]

d0netsFN:

http://code.google.com/p/android-vnc-viewer

[07:02:31]

Kichigai:

OK, anything with a screen can run VNC, and VNC would be impractical to use.

[07:02:48]

Piper69:

Kichigai: it is running

[07:03:26]

Kichigai:

Piper69, I'm passing this one off to someone who knows more than me. kormoc, can you figure it out?

[07:03:36]

Kichigai:

Closed DBs apparently.

[07:04:37]

kormoc:

Piper69, the security pin isn't assigned on the backend it seems?

[07:04:58]

kormoc:

Piper69, run mythtv-setup and verify that it's set to a value you know?

[07:05:17]

Piper69:

kormoc: how do i left it blank

[07:05:24]

d0netsFN:

wow kichigai im glad i pasted that link

[07:05:29]

kormoc:

it needs to be set for upnp to work

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d0netsFN:

recently they didnt have the option to use password

[07:05:43]

d0netsFN:

so to test it out you had to run your vnc server without a pass

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Piper69:

kormoc: so what shall i put there

[07:06:08]

d0netsFN:

i didnt think anything would happen so i left my running, and no lies, i was sitting at my desktop and my mouse started going nuts and clicking on stuff

[07:06:23]

kormoc:

Piper69, whatever you want, but every frontend will need to be given it

[07:06:29]

d0netsFN:

i sudo apt-get installed firestarter and firestarter'd real quick

[07:06:36]

d0netsFN:

sure enough someone was connected to my vnc

[07:07:07]

Kichigai:

And that's why we don't run things without passwords, even on our internal networks.

[07:07:19]

d0netsFN:

right, i learned my lesson

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d0netsFN:

how is the sdk for symbian?

[07:10:02]

d0netsFN:

i hardly know html and javascript, but im attempting porting a guitar tuner for android

[07:10:08]

Kichigai:

Never used it, but pretty good from what I hear.

[07:10:29]

d0netsFN:

what language?

[07:11:04]

Kichigai:

C++

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d0netsFN:

what is the publishing process like?

[07:12:30]

Kichigai:

You can go signed or unsigned.

[07:12:44]

d0netsFN:

any costs?

[07:12:57]

d0netsFN:

i can google things things

[07:13:04]

d0netsFN:

but you seem to know

[07:13:42]

Kichigai:

Well, apparently not, but I don't know about signing. I think getting a crypto key for signing is free, but I could be wrong.

[07:14:58]

Kichigai:

If I actually developed software for any platform, I'd probably know this in more detail, though.

[07:16:45]

d0netsFN:

how is the app distrobution? as in is there an app store, or is it like a cab or other file to install it?

[07:19:11]

Kichigai:

You install it, though there are some centralized hubs. Nokia has their Download! application on all phones that distributes some stuff (most of the popular apps like Sports Tracker, Maps, Slifter)

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Kichigai:

All I can say is that I'm glad it's not esoterically and unpredictably controlled by some unknown overlord high atop some dark mountaintop with no clearly defined process or standards... like a certain i-branded device ;)

[07:24:11]

RyeBrye:

./configure --enable-vdpau --enable-proc-opt .... No need to enable opengl video or anything, or opengl vsync – those wont matter with vdpau will they?

[07:26:59]

d0netsFN:

right

[07:27:16]

d0netsFN:

i dont either

[07:27:26]

d0netsFN:

i mean with android you get so many cool apps because its completely open

[07:27:51]

Kichigai:

Well, you get plenty of cool apps on the iPhone too, but it's the philosophy of it all.

[07:27:54]

d0netsFN:

theres an app that uses the accelerometer to sense when you jump and it makes mario jumping noises

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Kichigai:

I'll stick with Sports Tracker

[07:28:24]

d0netsFN:

and you touch it and jump and it makes the coin noise

[07:28:31]

d0netsFN:

right the iphone has lots of apps

[07:28:38]

d0netsFN:

but

[07:28:40]

d0netsFN:

lots are expensive

[07:28:54]

d0netsFN:

and that == me more likely to pirate it

[07:29:35]

Kichigai:

Well, I don't think that has anything to do with the App Store at all.

[07:29:58]

d0netsFN:

(i didnt just admit to piracy, im just stating it makes me more likely to go google how to jailbreak and mod my mobileinstallation file to pirate iphone apps by the hundreds through itunes)

[07:30:00]

Kichigai:

And we're not getting into piracy here.

[07:30:04]

d0netsFN:

i know

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RyeBrye:

does the svn trunk use qt3 at all anymore? I'm getting some build errors on my first try to get it working and I'm wondering if it is related to the qt3 / qt4 stuff?

[07:30:55]

RyeBrye:

http://pastebin.com/d33a0599 is the tail end of it

[07:31:15]

d0netsFN:

oh hey ryebrye

[07:31:19]

RyeBrye:

hi

[07:31:26]

d0netsFN:

i got my chans confused

[07:31:49]

RyeBrye:

yeah, I'm in both #android and #mythtv-users... but I talk about android stuff over there and myth stuff over here :P

[07:31:53]

RyeBrye:

;)

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d0netsFN:

right

[07:32:02]

d0netsFN:

we were discussing myth clients earlier

[07:32:12]

RyeBrye:

yeah, building one in java is not my idea of fun

[07:32:14]

d0netsFN:

and it went down hill from there

[07:32:47]

d0netsFN:

well i googled

[07:32:54]

d0netsFN:

and there are a few people claiming to be working on it

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Kichigai:

Does Android have a Java interpreter?

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RyeBrye:

Well... kind of – it's native programming language is java, and it gets converted into its own bytecode format ("dex") that runs on their VM named "dalvik"

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Kichigai:

Ouch.

[07:34:01]

RyeBrye:

well – more correctly, the compiled java bytecode gets converted to dex

[07:34:21]

RyeBrye:

it's not bad to program in – and you can make calls out to native code using JNI

[07:34:38]

RyeBrye:

but if you want it to be portable across all android devices – you have to stick to the javaland

[07:35:22]

Piper69:

Kichigai: ok, i still get Cannot login to database?

[07:36:21]

d0netsFN:

brb

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Kichigai:

Err, again, Piper69, I think I'll have to refer you to someone who knows more about SQL than me. I'm a pretty big duncecap when it comes to that kind of stuff.

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RyeBrye:

ah. my error was I needed to use qmake-qt4 mythtv.pro not qmake mythtv.pro...

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Piper69:

Kichigai: ok

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Kichigai:

kormoc, Piper69 is still having that problem.

[07:38:40]

Piper69:

kormoc: oh that is the right name, sorry Kichigai :)

[07:39:02]

Piper69:

kormoc: still not working

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kormoc:

Piper69, there was no change in the log output?

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Piper69:

kormoc: http://paste.debian.net/23561/

[07:44:37]

kormoc:

Action not authorized says the key wasn't correct

[07:44:54]

kormoc:

is the mysql server on the same machine as the backend?

[07:45:09]

kormoc:

are you sure taht you don't have skip-networking in the my.cnf file?

[07:45:53]

Piper69:

i am sure the mysql is on the same server

[07:46:06]

Piper69:

not sure about the my.cnf

[07:46:14]

Piper69:

where is it located

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kormoc:

depends on the distro, but typically in /etc or /etc/mysql or similar

[07:47:04]

Kichigai:

I'm wondering, what's the story with FiOS? I mean as far as MythTV goes.

[07:47:20]

kormoc:

it's the same as digital cable

[07:47:27]

Kichigai:

That bad, huh?

[07:49:13]

Kichigai:

Is FiOS mandated to have functioning FireWire output, or will I have to rely on the analog hole?

[07:50:24]

kormoc:

FIOS isn't a cable company and thus non mandated, but there is rumors that the channels do get decoded into QAM, but noone really has verified afaik

[07:50:35]

Piper69:

kormoc: i have bind-address 192.168.1.108

[07:50:58]

Kichigai:

Yeah, I thought I read something about that in the Wiki, but also something about it being encrypted.

[07:51:07]

kormoc:

Piper69, you'll want to comment that out, as myth is attempting to contact it via 127.0.0.1

[07:51:17]

kormoc:

Piper69, you'll need to restart mysql for that to take affect

[07:51:18]

Kichigai:

I'm living with my Aunt and Uncle while I'm going to school, and they're thinking about switching to FiOS, so I'm wondering what this'll do to my machine.

[07:55:06]

CaptObviousman:

make it faster

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CaptObviousman:

it's like putting a racing stripe on a muscle car gives it extra horsepower

[07:55:22]

RyeBrye:

http://pastebin.com/d6bca9a2e <-- build error... pebcac?

[07:56:16]

kormoc:

RyeBrye, downgrade to the .11 drivers?

[07:56:30]

RyeBrye:

Ah. yes. must be pebcac.

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** RyeBrye goes off to downgrade **

[07:56:44]

RyeBrye:

thansk

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Piper69:

kormoc: looks like it is connected now

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Piper69:

:)

[07:59:20]

** kormoc tips his hat **

[08:00:55]

RyeBrye:

hmm... I think I am running the 180.11 drivers? http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=1861825 is where I got the link for them – and I see dmesg | grep NVRM

[08:00:55]

RyeBrye:

[ 13.829237] NVRM: loading NVIDIA UNIX x86_64 Kernel Module 180.11 Wed Nov 26 10:53:43 PST 2008

[08:01:25]

kormoc:

try a older -trunk revision? I know a few days ago it was building for myself

[08:01:47]

RyeBrye:

ok

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RyeBrye:

any idea which rev you are on?

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Piper69:

kormoc: no fun yet, when i click watch tv it doesn't

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Piper69:

:(

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RyeBrye:

yeah, it appears revision 19356 broke it for me – probably the uint32_t stuff added in there

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kormoc:

likely worth posting that to the -dev list

[08:07:58]

RyeBrye:

yep. will post

[08:12:18]

RyeBrye:

wow. My new machine builds myth MUCH faster than my old P4 1.8 GHz machine did :)

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RyeBrye:

is GANT the default theme because we want users to learn where the "theme" preference is quickly?

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kormoc:

RyeBrye, I'm a GANT fan actually...

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rooaus:

kormoc: There is something I like about it as well, don't use it though.

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cheeps:

Is there a way to expand screen a bit more? Currently the osd and guide is so large, it takes up like 60% of screen, like it would be on a SDTV or something. Seems like the resolution would be 800x600 or something

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RyeBrye:

ok.... vdpau is really sweet :)

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bomama:

which nvidia chip you have?

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bomama:

'lspci -nn | grep VGA'

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RyeBrye:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation GeForce 9500 GT [10de:0640] (rev a1)

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bomama:

wow. weird

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RyeBrye:

what's weird about it?

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bomama:

no internal nvidia number on lspci output

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** RyeBrye kicks his box **

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bomama:

like 'G98' or whatever

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bomama:

you get the vid card recently?

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RyeBrye:

Yeah

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RyeBrye:

october ?

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bomama:

that's not that recent

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RyeBrye:

Well – in some timescales it is

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bomama:

that one has a fan?

[09:07:34]

RyeBrye:

Yes, has a fan

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RyeBrye:

a small one

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bomama:

bah

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bomama:

as long as you got a good deal

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RyeBrye:

yeah, I cant remember what it was, but probably around 50 or something

[09:08:11]

bomama:

frys has one 1GB (vid mem) for $40

[09:08:17]

RyeBrye:

cool

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bomama:

almost tempted

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bomama:

but apparently 9500 is Purevideo2, not 3

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RyeBrye:

:(

[09:08:58]

RyeBrye:

oh well

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bomama:

no big deal for now

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RyeBrye:

video cards are cheap, and if I need to replace it in the future it's not that big of a deal

[09:09:17]

RyeBrye:

well... SOME video cards are cheap

[09:09:28]

bomama:

by the time you want to decode vc-1 it will be a few years down the road

[09:09:34]

RyeBrye:

I bought it not really caring about the purevdeo – I just thought I'd want CUDA stuff

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bomama:

does cuda even work on linux?

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, pretty sure it does

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RyeBrye:

what's the difference between the pkg0 pkg1 and pkg2.run installers on the nvida ftp site?

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bomama:

what linux cuda apps are there?

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RyeBrye:

I have no idea

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bomama:

read the reademe

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bomama:

tells you all about the differences

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RyeBrye:

is there a version of mepo that works on trunk?

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matahari:

hi!

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matahari:

i have a problem with DVB-S and Mythbuntu. I have two quattro-LNB (one looking to Astra 19,2E one Hotbird 13,0E) behind a Switch. I entered this configuration in Mythtv, and started scanning for channels, and it found a lot on Astra, but none on Hotbird... As i am new to satellite, i wanted to ask someone of you, if he/she can help me. Thank you

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justinh:

RyeBrye: apparently not

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justinh:

IMHO there's little point adapting current themes to work with mythui – when there's the chance to totally turn everything on its head & do cool stuff it must be done :)

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justinh:

anyway... morning all :)

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KaZeR:

anyone here is able to play 1080p content?

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justinh:

1080p what? mpeg1/2 ? h.264? VC-1 ? que?

[13:24:26]

justinh:

what bitrate? which encoding method? hmmm?

[13:26:58]

** AndyCap plays 1080p solitaire **

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KaZeR:

hehe :)

[13:29:52]

KaZeR:

h264

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KaZeR:

i can play them fine under .. windows using xbmc, and haali media splitter

[13:30:50]

KaZeR:

but i can't get a smooth playback under linux.

[13:35:59]

KaZeR:

someone has tips? i have a ati 780g chipset (radeon 3200hd) i tried with the fglrx drivers

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matahari:

i have a problem with DVB-S and Mythbuntu. I have two quattro-LNB (one looking to Astra 19,2E one Hotbird 13,0E) behind a Switch. I entered this configuration in Mythtv, and started scanning for channels, and it found a lot on Astra, but none on Hotbird... As i am new to satellite, i wanted to ask someone of you, if he/she can help me. Thank you

[13:43:15]

justinh:

did you set up the disecq configuration correctly? I'm not experienced with dvb-s personally though

[13:43:58]

justinh:

I have no real idea how myth has to be configured for use with switches etc

[13:44:36]

justinh:

and FWIW we don't see many people here using DVB-S, let alone in any kind of fancy configuration

[13:45:14]

matahari:

well, i set in the disecq config, that i have a switch, and two LNB

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matahari:

and both LNB set up as "Universal"

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justinh:

from what I know about it, that sounds ok so far

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matahari:

the strange thing is, that every program on astra is being found

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matahari:

but NOTHING on hotbird (it always says "no signal")

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justinh:

did you tell mythtv-setup to do a tuned scan on a hotbird transponder too?

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matahari:

but when using Kaffeine, it can tune to hotbird

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jarle:

matahari: maybe your switch isn't configured correctly

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matahari:

yes, i did, but still "no signal"

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matahari:

what could be wrong in my switch?

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justinh:

if kaffeine is ok I don't know how it could be the switch

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jarle:

matahari: there is serveral types of switches, you need to be sure that myttv is set to use the correct type of switch..

[13:48:05]

justinh:

that could be it, of course

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matahari:

well, where can i see what type of switch i have?

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jarle:

matahari: if you have told myth that you have a "tone" switch, when you probably have a "universal" switch

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matahari:

under "switch type" i selected "DiSEqC"

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jarle:

matahari: have a look at the switch itself, or the packaging?

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jarle:

matahari: DiSEqC is probably correct..

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matahari:

that's the one i have: http://www.spaun.de/?lang=de&modul=produc . . . me=SMS5808NF

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jarle:

matahari: if kaffeine has any settings for the switch, make sure you are using the same settings for mythtv

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matahari:

okay, let me look

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jarle:

matahari: http://www.spaun.de/files/08e2e_de_spaun_cat_de_page020-021.pdf might give you a hint on which settings you need..

[13:53:29]

matahari:

in kaffeine there are no settings for the stwitch :-(

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matahari:

i now selected "DiSEqC (Uncommited)"

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matahari:

let's see if it works now....

[13:56:10]

matahari:

still says things like "Timeout Scanning Multiplex #186 — no signal"

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matahari:

:-(

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matahari:

aaah!

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matahari:

NOW there comes something!

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matahari:

:-)

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matahari:

looks good!

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matahari:

THANKS A LOT!

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justinh:

y'know the wiki could do with some love in the area of dvb-s configuration ;-)

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justinh:

I'd help but I don't use dvb-s

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jarle:

...and I guess the dvb-s channel scanner still has a tendency to crash if run on a multi-core system if you don't force it to use only one cpu using "taskset -c 0 mythtv-setup"

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laga:

yeah

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justinh:

whoah, think I partied too hearty last night

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laga:

justinh: got some construction workers in your bed?

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justinh:

rofl

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justinh:

how did you know?

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jduggan:

hrm, if you have a video card with dual dvi and svideo out, can you use the svideo if both dvi's are in use

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jduggan:

i seem to recall it shares hardware or something

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justinh:

a video card with three RAMDACs?

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justinh:

hrm

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justinh:

er.. wtf am I talking about? pfff

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justinh:

maybe the svideo out will just be a clone of one of the outputs as long as it's under a certain res

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directhex:

jduggan, general case: no

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jduggan:

nvidia card 8600gt i think

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jduggan:

thought as much

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jduggan:

i have a 5200fx PCI card in teh same box, which ive tried getting a config working to put svideo into a tv, but cant get it working

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jduggan:

No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:7:1:0) found

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directhex:

i don't think 5k and 8k series have a common driver

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directhex:

which complicates matters

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jduggan:

i thought so to, so i tried using nv driver but i get the same issues

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jduggan:

http://sigkill.noffle.net/~jduggan/xorg.conf if anyone has a spare few minutes to gander over that that'd be cool

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jduggan:

hrm, they do share a common driver

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jduggan:

im pretty convinced the problem is with the xorg.conf

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justinh:

maybe they changed the output config syntax again

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jduggan:

omg

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jduggan:

nvidia removed the overscan slider bar from newer drivers?

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jduggan:

drivers/nvidia-settings

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judazz:

Hi folks, I'm planning to buy a webcam for zoneminder surveillance in mythtv. Are there any webpage with recommendations for this?

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judazz:

I guess an UVC compliant webcam would do?

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laga:

try the zoneminder web site?

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judazz:

laga, yep, have been there, and now I also found http://www.zoneminder.com/wiki/index.php/Uvc, thanks :)

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GreyFoxx:

At work we tend to use Axis cameras

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GreyFoxx:

they spit out jpeg's ,(or mjpeg if you want a stream) and mpeg4

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GreyFoxx:

in fact this week we are deploying 15 zoneminder setups with 4 cameras each

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judazz:

GreyFoxx, thanks – will google Axis

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sid3windr:

axis is like the #1 ip cam brand :)

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GreyFoxx:

yeah they work very well and have tons of options

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GreyFoxx:

and you can get great outdoor housing for them, and they support POE and some wireless

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judazz:

oh, and now I saw the price... :)

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judazz:

quite expensive – think I am looking something cheap. only for personal/hobby use, nothing professional really

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jduggan:

i build a cctv box for work with 16 inputs (windows based in this case)

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jduggan:

eurecard picolo card IIRC

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** judazz just googled CCTV (yes, really newbie here) **

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jduggan:

(not over ethernet)

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jduggan:

judazz: lol

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judazz:

hehe

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GreyFoxx:

And use pastebin.ca or something :)

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th0br0:

hey, I'm just trying to compile mythtv 0.21 stable, yet the compile is failing :/ (gcc 4.3.2, distribution gentoo) http://dpaste.com/99020/

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th0br0:

any ideas?

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th0br0:

nvm...

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th0br0:

just added #include <stdlib.h>

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laga:

justinh: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3799322&postcount=1

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justinh:

eew

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jduggan:

each to their own

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jduggan:

;p

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justinh:

I started ripping that one off ages ago but gave up

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justinh:

I posted some screenshots here IIRC

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th0br0:

btw, is there any way to compile only the backend for mythtv?

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justinh:

no

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th0br0:

:/

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th0br0:

that sucks.

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justinh:

it's not as if the binaries take up much space compared to er.. the amount of room even half an hour of video takes up

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th0br0:

sure.

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th0br0:

I'm rather talking about building it for a server-only system

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justinh:

so?

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th0br0:

where I have to install mesa and all that stuff...

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justinh:

and X

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th0br0:

yup.

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justinh:

laga: anyway who says you need to be a photoshop whizz? :P

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justinh:

and as for talking a MediaPortal designer into doing a theme for mythtv.. ROTFLMAO.. I tend to think hell might freeze over first!

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justinh:

anyway, all my thoughts right now are directed to 'concept' & I won't be sidetracked

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justinh:

be easy enough in principle just to change text colours & plonk new graphics into an existing theme. that'd work

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justinh:

won't be looking at any xml til my brain's fixed though. need to replenish the braincells I massacred

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iamlindoro__:

justinh, Reading the scrollback-- thinking as a project I'll probably experiment with the few network FTA broadcasts over the holiday and update the DVB-S documentation on the wiki so that we can stop guessing

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Dibblah:

justinh: Am I missing something obvious, or do none of the core themes work with current trunk in MythVideo?

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Anduin:

Dibblah: everything should be using the default video-ui.xml at this point, cruft in an installed tree?

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Dibblah:

Hmm. Apparently, yes :)

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Dibblah:

Thanks!

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justinh:

might be ready to unleash a test version of 'concept' this time next week or so

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justinh:

wouldn't hold your breath though

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Chutt:

can someone run the vdpau painter on a lower-end gpu (igp or a 8400/etc) and let me know how well it works?

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Chutt:

-O ThemePainter=vdpau

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Chutt:

don't expect video to wokr

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Chutt:

err, work

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Anduin:

Chutt: What am I looking for?

[18:26:28]

Anduin:

hmm, some images don't seem to be scaled correctly

[18:27:00]

Anduin:

progress bar on start, mythvideo gallery is a mess, but other than that looks normal

[18:29:16]

Anduin:

(8400gs 256MB)

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Anduin:

images seem darker too

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Anduin:

Ok, no longer convinced things are darker

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th0br0:

right... I managed to get the backend working

[18:53:35]

th0br0:

already finished scanning for channels

[18:53:49]

th0br0:

everything worked flawlessly.now, in my frontend,I'm trying to open the television

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th0br0:

but it fails; how could I debug this?

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iamlindoro__:

Anduin, I have updated the trailers patch to account for 19361. I hope this will make it a bit easier for you to look at, won't require hand patching for you

[19:06:57]

Anduin:

iamlindoro__: working on merging it now, almost told you not to bother but figured I'd have it done before you noticed, apparently not.

[19:07:20]

iamlindoro__:

Heh, sorry :)

[19:07:37]

iamlindoro__:

I'm excited to hear none the less, thanks

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th0br0:

umm... does the backend require a soundcard to be installed?

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iamlindoro__:

not uless you have a framegrabber that requires a sound card

[19:17:49]

janneg:

th0br0: only if you want to capture with a framegrabber without sound drivers

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th0br0:

well... I'm just trying to setup things... what do you mean by a "framegrabber without sound drivers"?

[19:18:28]

th0br0:

my backendis a remote non-desktop machine

[19:18:36]

th0br0:

that is just running the backend and providing access to the tv-card

[19:18:50]

iamlindoro__:

framegrabbers are a (cheap) capture card type

[19:18:51]

clever:

this is real screwy

[19:18:55]

clever:

my firefox binary is damaged

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clever:

but its not bitrot

[19:19:08]

clever:

it gained an extra section in the ELF data

[19:19:19]

iamlindoro__:

that encode video with the CPU and often leverage the sound card to capture sound

[19:19:32]

th0br0:

ah ok, well, I got the hvr-1110 so I doubt that it's such a framegrabber.

[19:20:01]

iamlindoro__:

It is for the analog side

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th0br0:

btw, where can I find the "recording profiles"?

[19:20:19]

th0br0:

it is a hybrid for dvb-t and analog

[19:20:29]

iamlindoro__:

Yes. I know. And the analog side is a framegrabber

[19:20:34]

th0br0:

ah :/

[19:20:45]

th0br0:

that's annyoing.

[19:20:48]

iamlindoro__:

So if you capture DVB only, then no, you wouldn't need a sound card

[19:20:55]

th0br0:

but as I capture analog ... :D

[19:21:00]

iamlindoro__:

For the framegrabber side, you *might*

[19:21:42]

th0br0:

well... the backend is complaining about a missing audio device

[19:21:46]

th0br0:

so I guess that I do?

[19:21:52]

th0br0:

it's using v4l after all.

[19:22:09]

th0br0:

although I want to listen to the audio on the remote side ...

[19:22:34]

iamlindoro__:

not necessarily, not sure how the framegrabbers that *can* cass audio via PCI do it, but I would guess they set up their own /dev/dsp node and myth should be pointed at that.

[19:22:41]

iamlindoro__:

If you ahve such a card, it may be a simple misconfiguration

[19:22:45]

th0br0:

mmh

[19:22:54]

th0br0:

i'm accessing the card via v4l

[19:23:10]

iamlindoro__:

th0br0, So are all of us

[19:23:19]

iamlindoro__:

v4l =The Linux TV card framework

[19:24:02]

th0br0:

yeah.

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th0br0:

2008-12–14 20:54:25.296 NVR(/dev/v4l/video0): Unknown video codec. Please go into the TV Settings, Recording Profiles and setup the four 'Software Encoders' profiles. Assuming RTjpeg for now.

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th0br0:

2008-12–14 20:54:25.296 NVR(/dev/v4l/video0) Error: Unknown audio codec

[19:25:46]

th0br0:

2008-12–14 20:54:25.296 NVR(/dev/v4l/video0) Error: AudioInit(): /dev/null : error setting audio input device to 44100kHz/16bits/2channel

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th0br0:

those are the errors more or less...

[19:25:57]

th0br0:

I'd especially like to know how I could solve the first one

[19:26:11]

th0br0:

ah nvm... rather the last two :D

[19:27:10]

RyeBrye:

justinh: is your current mythui theme work hosted somewhere?

[19:27:28]

iamlindoro__:

Heh, well if your audio capture device is /dev/null, you're going to have a hard time having any settings take ;)

[19:27:37]

iamlindoro__:

like I said, misconfiguration

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th0br0:

i know.

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th0br0:

but there was no dsp device registered -.-

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iamlindoro__:

dunno, haven't used a framegrabber in years. Woe unto anyone who buys one these days

[19:29:14]

iamlindoro__:

Using a DVB-T card for analog is a bit of a waste, IMO

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stuarta:

more like not possible

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iamlindoro__:

stuarta, hybrid

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iamlindoro__:

(framegrabber analog)

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stuarta:

ew

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th0br0:

i know :)

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** stuarta runs away and hides **

[19:30:15]

th0br0:

but it's a hybrid, and there were no analog-only ones available

[19:30:43]

iamlindoro__:

th0br0, There *are* hardware encoding analog card, though, and that's what you should be using for analog

[19:30:58]

th0br0:

yeah.

[19:31:01]

th0br0:

no doubt.

[19:31:04]

iamlindoro__:

As well as DVB-T plus analog encoder cards

[19:31:18]

th0br0:

it's a dvb-t plus analog encoder card.

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stuarta:

of which you should use the dvb-t side

[19:31:23]

iamlindoro__:

no. It's not.

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th0br0:

ok.

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iamlindoro__:

th0br0, Your card is a DVB-T card plus analog framegrabber

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th0br0:

k.

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** stuarta punches the OSX build **

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iamlindoro__:

an analog hardware encoder is different

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th0br0:

stuarta, sure,but the range of dvb-t channels and so on here is rather limited ...

[19:32:05]

th0br0:

iamlindoro, ah ok.

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iamlindoro__:

if all you are doing is analog, you want at *least* a hardware encoding analog card like a used PVR-150 or 500.

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iamlindoro__:

otherwise, if you want both, you want something like the HVR-1300

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th0br0:

ok.

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iamlindoro__:

Which is DVB-T and a hardware encoder for analog

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th0br0:

k

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iamlindoro__:

Per this: http://ivtvdriver.org/pipermail/ivtv-devel/20 . . . /004570.html

[19:34:03]

iamlindoro__:

It's even ivtv, which means it'll work with myth

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th0br0:

right

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th0br0:

well, the analog video is workgin

[19:42:02]

th0br0:

but I'll go for dvb-t now then

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th0br0:

and hope that my grandfather's old hauppauge is such a pvr :D

[19:42:41]

iamlindoro__:

DVB-T will be vastly superior in most cases anyway

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th0br0:

yeah

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stuarta:

\o/ OSX build fixed

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elprespufferfish:

any ideas why i'm getting an audio buffer overflow?

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tjcarter:

stuarta: I wouldn't go that far ;)

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th0br0:

should I access the dvb-t part of the card via v4l too?

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th0br0:

ah no. nvm

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stuarta:

tjcarter: no, found another b0rkage

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tjcarter:

stuarta: believe it or not, once upon a time (0.19) the OS X frontend actually worked correctly =D

[19:49:43]

qfx:

How important is protocol version then?

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tjcarter:

stuarta: since then, it's been hit or miss

[19:49:55]

qfx:

I use XBMCMythtv as a frontend from my xboxen, and it comes up with this error

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stuarta:

tjcarter: i use it daily with 0.21

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qfx:

2008-12–14 11:49:01.467 MainServer::HandleVersion – Client speaks protocol version 34 but we speak 40!

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stuarta:

it needs some more love before 0.22

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iamlindoro__:

qfx, erm... in terms of what? If two pieces of the puzzle have incompatible protocol, they will not work together

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tjcarter:

stuarta: back in 0.19, even aspect ratio control worked =D

[19:50:36]

iamlindoro__:

qfx, "very very important"

[19:50:39]

stuarta:

heh, wouldn't mind fixing that

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qfx:

iamlindoro, Was hoping it was backwards compatible

[19:50:56]

iamlindoro__:

nope

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qfx:

OK, thanks

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stuarta:

hopefully with the new video output classes factoring, we can improve the osx output side.

[19:52:27]

tjcarter:

stuarta: nothing as annoying as a pillarboxed letterboxed pillarboxed video..

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th0br0:

w00t, it's working

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th0br0:

thangs guys & bye

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qfx:

iamlindoro, do you know what version myth was at protocl 34 offhand? .20?

[19:55:05]

tjcarter:

.20 it would be

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tjcarter:

or early .21

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iamlindoro__:

.20.2

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iamlindoro__:

Hmm, actually, 20.2 was probably 31

[19:56:12]

tjcarter:

yeah, I remember the move to protocol 36 in .21

[19:56:12]

iamlindoro__:

qfx, if your backend is trunk, then 34 was .21

[19:56:25]

qfx:

iamlindoro, I think it's time for me to downgrade, since the xboxes only handle protocol 34 (aparently)

[19:56:30]

qfx:

.21, thanks

[19:56:42]

tjcarter:

qfx: a beta of .21

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tjcarter:

qfx: unfinished and buggy

[19:57:18]

qfx:

I wonder if I can force this to report some other protocol and see if it works. It doesn't do live-tv anyhow, just want a simple way to watch the shows on my TV

[19:57:29]

tjcarter:

I'd go looking for a fix for the xboxes at this point

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iamlindoro__:

qfx, That will break things handily

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qfx:

The best way to break things!

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tjcarter:

protocol versions do not change lightly

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iamlindoro__:

qfx, Protocol changes are because communications between clients and backends have changed in fundamental ways

[19:58:18]

iamlindoro__:

it'll be a fun way to segfault your backend AND XBMC

[19:58:25]

iamlindoro__:

not that XBMC needs any help segfaulting

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qfx:

updating the xboxes is kind of futile, I suppose I could theoretically just rewrite the python scripts

[19:59:23]

qfx:

but there hasn't been any action on the xmbcmythtv scripts since probably 2005, maybe 2007

[19:59:38]

iamlindoro__:

Most likely because XBMC doesn't use scripts for myth any more

[19:59:47]

iamlindoro__:

They have their own "native" *cough* support

[20:00:20]

qfx:

XBMC has "native" support? Hmm... it might actually be worth a try....

[20:00:20]

tjcarter:

why don't they just connect to the upnpav?

[20:00:25]

qfx:

even if it's not so robust

[20:00:54]

iamlindoro__:

have to ask them how to work it, but I hear it's as simple as adding a myth:// data source

[20:01:09]

iamlindoro__:

Jsut *do not* ask for any help with that here, get it from them

[20:01:18]

qfx:

Yah

[20:01:34]

justinh:

I tried that today. saw all the shows. absolutely FA use though – no playback whatsoever

[20:02:03]

iamlindoro__:

justinh, Good for you, when I played with it it just segfaulted every time

[20:02:11]

qfx:

No problem, I got all this stuff set up a couple of years ago, was happy with the setup until my backend bit the dust, so installed on a new box, but basically just everything on the new box is new, so having to set up all my connectors has been a bit of a discovery.

[20:02:32]

qfx:

between mythweb, ipod viewing (thanks to kormoc!) and the xboxen

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qfx:

hmmm... I DID move the backend into the living room, maybe I should explore some direct to TVness

[20:05:15]

th0br0:

how can I mute mythtv or decrease the volume?

[20:05:19]

th0br0:

+ and – doesn't work :S

[20:05:31]

justinh:

th0br0: it's [ and ]

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justinh:

:S

[20:05:50]

th0br0:

2008-12–14 21:05:43.409 Mixer unable to find control PCM

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th0br0:

:P

[20:06:17]

elprespufferfish:

anybody help with NVP::AddAudioData():p1: Audio buffer overflow, audio data lost!

[20:06:23]

th0br0:

nvm.

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judazz:

Hi folks, I've read the userjob wiki page, and made a script that send some program info by email. It works if I run it manually, but not when mythtv is supposed to do it.

[20:17:18]

judazz:

I've run mythtv-setup and configured it there

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iamlindoro__:

judazz, did you also tick the box that enables the backend to *run* job 1?

[20:17:47]

judazz:

In mythweb I've activated the userjob (#1), but nothing is happening when the recording is finished

[20:18:12]

judazz:

yes – I have allowed all userjobs (1,2,3,4) in mythtv-setup

[20:18:31]

iamlindoro__:

then there will be output in the backend log when it tries to run it

[20:18:32]

judazz:

is there something I can look for in the .log file?

[20:19:20]

judazz:

ah, yes

[20:19:25]

judazz:

I have "jobqueue: Job "Email report" Finished: ...."

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iamlindoro__:

Then it ran it

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judazz:

but no email was sent...

[20:19:48]

iamlindoro__:

so you have a problem with your script

[20:20:04]

stuarta:

that's a classic problem that

[20:20:24]

judazz:

I will copy past the info from mythtv-setup and run it manually to see again now

[20:20:36]

stuarta:

you must remember that scripts when run interactively have the environment inherited from the shell the script is started frmo

[20:20:58]

stuarta:

however, when started from another program/daemon, they have *no* environment

[20:21:08]

stuarta:

and hence mysteriously don't work

[20:21:27]

stuarta:

judazz: try this 'env – myscriptnamegoeshere'

[20:21:34]

judazz:

aha, thanks

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judazz:

oh man – I had a missing quote mark!

[20:23:26]

judazz:

sorry for the noise :)

[20:23:46]

judazz:

thank you for helping also

[20:23:58]

** stuarta chuckles **

[20:24:36]

judazz:

wow, thought I'd checked that line ten times already – copy'n'paste made me see it though

[20:24:49]

stuarta:

wtf do i get an updated svn for OSX from

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Jonaster:

Hello

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tvbox:

lo all, does mythtv support using existing video files? like i have abunch of dvd rips I would like to use but it doesn't seem to pick them up when i put them in the media folder

[20:27:19]

cecil:

tvbox: that is what the MythVideo plugin is for

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tvbox:

cool

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tvbox:

cecil: thanks mate

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** stuarta notices that his OSX build isn't using mac-acceleration **

[20:35:31]

** stuarta hacks configure **

[20:38:46]

qfx:

OK, so I want to build 0.20.2 anyone know the SVN path I need to check out perchance?

[20:39:13]

justinh:

0.20.2? porquoi?

[20:39:36]

qfx:

I'm going to try .20.2 to see if my xboxes will work with that

[20:39:42]

qfx:

(they're my frontends)

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stuarta:

no existe 0.20.2

[20:40:14]

qfx:

This is the url for browsing, but I'm hoping I can check it out somewhere: http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/browser/tags/release-0-20-2

[20:40:25]

qfx:

Funny, there's a release notes and a tag for it....

[20:40:53]

Jonaster:

I'm using the latest MythTV 0.22 from cvs with the t5882_S2Api_5.diff, the latest v4ldvb from cvs with an TT-Budget S2–3200 card. I get all the channels working except for the HD channels, I get lock but no picture/sound here is the errors from the frontend: http://pastebin.ca/1285337

[20:41:07]

stuarta:

0.22 doesn't exist either

[20:41:33]

qfx:

stuarta, what would you say is at that URL I sent?

[20:41:43]

justinh:

svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0-20-fixes

[20:42:14]

qfx:

justinh, thanks

[20:42:25]

qfx:

20 fixes? Does that include the root?

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stuarta:

that is the root

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justinh:

should do

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stuarta:

of 0.21-fixes

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justinh:

apparently XBMC no worky with 0.21

[20:43:42]

qfx:

I use a python script called xbmcmythtv

[20:43:50]

justinh:

yeah so did I

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justinh:

crashiest script I ever ran on it

[20:44:08]

qfx:

really? mine has been pretty stable

[20:44:10]

justinh:

had enough of it & got a proper frontend

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pheld:

Jonaster: does it happen that it picks up HD-channels every noe and then? It's a slight possibility the back-end needs more time than the front-end allows to recognise the content.

[20:44:49]

qfx:

The xbox also serves as the viewer for torrents etc. so it's kind of sticking around. I considered an apple-tv running boxee with myth though

[20:44:58]

qfx:

Although I'm afraid that won't necessarily fare any better

[20:45:56]

Jonaster:

pheld: no, never, mythtv just returns to the main menu. I have to go to mythtv-setup and set the start channel to something else otherwise it will just throw me back at the menu shortly after I get lock.

[20:45:56]

justinh:

a better bet might be to try a newer build of XBMC

[20:46:00]

pheld:

I had the same problem, and had to stop it from waiting for IDR-frames, or it would take up to 6–7min to start recording

[20:46:23]

pheld:

by default the front-end has a 16sec timer

[20:46:35]

qfx:

justinh, well, that's been a consideration, and I do it if I thought it would work

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Jonaster:

I pasted the errors from the frontend here: http://pastebin.com/m1c00c679

[20:47:09]

justinh:

qfx: AFAIK the xbox builds of XBMC are still the best game in town. the windows build simply just doesn't play anything here

[20:47:49]

pheld:

Jonaster: check http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/19094

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qfx:

justinh, hmm... I'm intrigued

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pheld:

Jonaster: your log shows that the frontend aborts after waiting for 16sec, so that matches what I saw.

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Jonaster:

I see. I can try that patch.

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kb9vqf:

Hey, quick question: I managed to delete part of my recordings database, but the actual recording files are still OK. Is there a script that can add the files back to the database (minus the program name, etc. obviously)?

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kb9vqf:

I seem to remember one from a long time ago, but Googling for hours has not turned it up.

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stuarta:

look in contrib

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** kb9vqf looks in contrib **

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kb9vqf:

Thanks, looks like myth.rebuilddatabase.pl is what I want

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pheld:

Jonaster: you should also check the backend log. Messages like "Saw PAT/PMT but did not write to disk yet" would confirm this problem.

[20:58:17]

Jonaster:

Thanks, I will look at it...

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qfx:

justinh, I think I'll go that route first, since my compile of .20 fixes is not as straight forward as I'd hoped

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johannes_:

hi, I use a pinnacle 72e dvb-t stick, and recently discovered a dvb-c connection in my new home, is there a way to see dvb-c programs with this stick? Can mythtv tell the cpu to do all the coding?

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justinh:

dvb-t != dvb-c

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johannes_:

I know but there are dvb-t/dvb-c usb sticks available, I thought all that these sticks do is decoding the signal and sending it to the PC, and I could tell the PC to do it by himself

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iamlindoro__:

You thought wrong, that's not how they work

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johannes_:

that sad to hear

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kb9vqf:

I'm attempting to use myth.rebuilddatabase.pl from contrib to add recordings to the database, and it seems to be doing its job overall, but there are no thumbnails in MythWeb and the filesize is 0 in the mythconverg database. Any ideas why this might be happening? The recordings are OK; they play perfectly in Xine.

[22:00:57]

Dibblah:

Actually, some frontends can do C and T – The one in the upcoming HDHR-DVB-t is one such.

[22:02:38]

kb9vqf:

Looking closer, it seems that progend is set to 1969??

[22:03:24]

kb9vqf:

If it helps, I'm on Ubuntu Intrepid

[22:04:44]

iamlindoro__:

Dibblah, Difference being the HDHomerun is marketed as such

[22:05:03]

iamlindoro__:

Your average DVB-T Stick isn't going to do DVB-C

[22:07:07]

Anduin:

kb9vqf: the script is far from perfect, thumbnails are generated on request so eventually it should work

[22:08:05]

kb9vqf:

Anduin: I can live with the thumbnail problem, but the biggest issues are with the missing recirdid, file size, and recording length

[22:08:19]

Chutt:

Anduin, hey – thanks. how was it in terms of speed?

[22:08:42]

kb9vqf:

Anduin: I'm not a Perl person, so I don't really know how to debug the script

[22:08:43]

Anduin:

Chutt: I didn't notice a difference

[22:08:53]

Chutt:

vs opengl, or the qt painter?

[22:09:13]

Anduin:

opengl

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Chutt:

oh, excellent

[22:09:42]

Chutt:

cool, i think i shall pursue development of that more

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Anduin:

kb9vqf: the filesize in the DB is a "new" feature compared to the last real work on the script would be my guess

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kb9vqf:

Anduin: OK...is there a way to get MythTV to "refresh" everything (thumbnails, filesizes, etc)?

[22:14:24]

xris:

kb9vqf: deleting the thumbnails is pretty easy...

[22:14:27]

kb9vqf:

Anduin: Here's part of the end-time problem I think: End time: // - ::

[22:14:33]

kb9vqf:

Anduin: Here's part of the end-time problem I think: E

[22:14:53]

kb9vqf:

Anduin: Oops...sorry. Looks like Perl isn't doing what it is supposed to do

[22:14:57]

xris:

kb9vqf: have you tried running mythcommflag to rebuild the seek tables, etc?

[22:15:18]

RyeBrye:

Is a line conditioner just snake oil, or is it really worth paying a premium for compared to a basic surge protector?

[22:15:18]

kb9vqf:

Anduin: I am only running it when the script prompts me to

[22:15:27]

sphery:

kb9vqf: And there's no need for a recordid--after all, it did /not/ come from any recording rule you have programmed

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kb9vqf:

sphery: OK, I was just nervous about the null value. I'm not anymore...

[22:15:56]

Anduin:

kb9vqf: what, other than thubnails, is broken?

[22:16:06]

kb9vqf:

Anduin: Mainly the recording end time

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xris:

RyeBrye: amplifier?

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xris:

or just conditioning the electrical power?

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Anduin:

kb9vqf: which doesn't actually break anything

[22:16:43]

jsumners:

what could cause the mythfrontend menu to not appear after it prescales all of the images?

[22:17:02]

RyeBrye:

xris: just conditioning the electrical power – something like one of these thigns: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000SXZJKK

[22:17:04]

kb9vqf:

Anduin: Makes it hard to see what programs are using all my disk space :)

[22:17:23]

sphery:

kb9vqf: it asks for the duration and computes the end time based on that value, so either you gave it bad data or nothing and it has some date math errors when the duration is nothing/0/whatever

[22:17:52]

xris:

RyeBrye: crazy. I'd think that something like an APC UPS might do the same thing...

[22:17:56]

sphery:

if you did the < /dev/null that I recently saw on the -users list, I wouldn't be surprised if that results in a bad end date

[22:18:11]

RyeBrye:

xris: yeah, and an APC UPS would actually have a battery backup too

[22:18:31]

kb9vqf:

sphery: Sorry, not sure what your are referring to?

[22:18:50]

kb9vqf:

Anduin: Could this be a problem? "start time (YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS) [20081019202900]:"

[22:18:54]

xris:

RyeBrye: that device is pretty much just a home theatre version of a PDU (power distribution unit)... probably worth the cash if you need the functionality it provides, but if you just want conditioning, a good UPS will do that for a lot less.

[22:19:04]

kb9vqf:

Anduin: The date is not in the format requested

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sphery:

kb9vqf: the end time is bad because you gave it a bad value for duration

[22:19:26]

kb9vqf:

I typed in 60

[22:19:56]

kb9vqf:

sphery: I typed in 60. Would it help if I posted an example transaction with the script?

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sphery:

ok, then it's because of the bad format start time, probably

[22:21:18]

sphery:

can't do proper date math without good values

[22:21:19]

kb9vqf:

sphery: Here's what I am doing: http://pastebin.ca/1285451

[22:21:45]

kb9vqf:

sphery: Should I be manually entering start date with the formatting marks perhaps?

[22:22:36]

sphery:

I'd guess so, but without looking at the script, I can't say for sure.

[22:25:24]

kb9vqf:

sphery: Yup, that was the problem. Is there a way to get the default value into that format? I don't know Perl very well at all :)

[22:26:38]

sphery:

don't know where the default is coming from... figuring it out would require looking at the script--and I've vowed to never do so because that script has never been/probably will never be updated to use the Perl bindings, the way it should

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kb9vqf:

sphery: OK...I'll see if I can hack something into it with Google. Thanks for the help! :)

[22:27:34]

sphery:

Eventually, I plan to write a patch so Myth automatically pulls in any videos in the recordings directory (or does so at the user's request)

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sphery:

kb9vqf: I'd also recommend not spending too much time on it as that script has a /lot/ worse problems than just being confusing :)

[22:30:01]

kb9vqf:

sphery: Well, I have 161 programs that need to be added back to the database, so any speed-up, however small, is going to help a lot...

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kb9vqf:

sphery: If you're wondering how that happened, I was a bit fumble-fingered with rm -rf and /var

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sphery:

kb9vqf: so you lost /var/mysql (and the database)?

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kb9vqf:

sphery: Yup. Had to go back to a 4 month old backup

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** kb9vqf feels like an idiot **

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sphery:

kb9vqf: I highly recommend http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Database_Backup_and_Restore ... It's easy and you'll probably be using it when 0.22 comes out, anyway. :)

[22:32:31]

kb9vqf:

sphery: Yes, I found that out--too late. :) It was really late at night, and I was trying to update a 32-bit system to 64-bit.

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sphery:

kb9vqf: don't worry about it... We've all done something like that. I (as root) did an "rm -rf /somedir &&" but my right hand was shifted one right from the home keys, so my "&&" became "**" (everything in the current directory)... I lost all the data on my file server. :)

[22:34:29]

kb9vqf:

sphery: :) At least the machine runs better on 64-bit (an Opteron-based server)...

[22:34:35]

iamlindoro__:

I find a new DB refreshing every now and again

[22:35:05]

sphery:

iamlindoro__: yeah, sometimes I just do the new-host/partial restore just to clean up all the cruft

[22:35:43]

iamlindoro__:

sphery, This is why I've come up with so many fancy ways to automate replacing data ;)

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RyeBrye:

how many bits are in a pixel for rgb photo stuff? 8? (A friend is showing me a camera that captures 5mp at 200fps – trying to figure out what insane bitrate that woudl be)

[22:36:37]

sphery:

Hmmmm.... It's 72deg/60% humidity outside, so I opened my windows since it was 78deg/44% humidity inside. Now it's 77deg/55% humidity inside... That didn't work the way I wanted it to.

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iamlindoro__:

crazy Floridians

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iamlindoro__:

Which it promptly makes a prison girlfriend of

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jsumners:

when i start mythfrontend the images are prescaled and then i get no menu. the only thing that shows is the background image. i have changed themes and switched the theme painter from qt->opengl->qt. nothing seems to be working. any ideas?

[22:51:44]

iamlindoro__:

Missing msttcorefonts?

[22:51:51]

jsumners:

hmm

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jsumners:

iamlindoro__: nope. that didn't solve the problem

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laga:

wrong painter?

[22:59:33]

iamlindoro__:

he said he tried changing it, but it's the only other possibility I can think of if the fonts are there

[22:59:42]

jsumners:

:-/

[22:59:45]

laga:

oh, sorry.

[22:59:52]

jsumners:

right now it is being forced to QT

[22:59:53]

laga:

i just got home and it's late

[23:00:01]

jsumners:

and i'm pretty sure it was set to QT to begin with

[23:00:02]

iamlindoro__:

laga, Naw, would have been my first guess too

[23:00:59]

iamlindoro__:

jsumners, Have you tried forcing another theme to force a theme re-cache?

[23:02:23]

laga:

you could also try deleting the theme cache

[23:04:44]

jsumners:

iamlindoro__: yes. and i have deleted the theme cache (first thing i did actually)

[23:04:58]

jsumners:

what does "mythfrontend --reset" actually reset?

[23:05:36]

jsumners:

i'm beginning to think this is something to do with the video card drivers

[23:05:47]

jsumners:

but there aren't any errors in the X server log

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jsumners:

well, --reset didn't help

[23:10:40]

clever:

mythfrontend --help

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wagnerrp:

seems im a bit late in getting zoneminder set up

[23:14:47]

wagnerrp:

street urchins already clipped off my sister's mirror

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Circuitsoft:

Hello.

[23:26:18]

Circuitsoft:

When I run mythtv-setup, there is no text on the screen.

[23:26:23]

Circuitsoft:

Just a list box with many blank entries.

[23:26:30]

Circuitsoft:

The console I'm running from has many BadMatch errors on it.

[23:27:46]

sphery:

are you using X redirection (i.e ssh -X)?

[23:27:56]

sphery:

Circuitsoft: if so, use ssh -Y

[23:28:27]

wagnerrp:

think an old P3 box would have USB2.0?

[23:28:59]

sphery:

is it running Linux? if so look for a module ehci vs ohci or uhci

[23:29:14]

wagnerrp:

its not running anything at the moment

[23:29:22]

wagnerrp:

im building a boot image for it at the moment

[23:29:39]

wagnerrp:

but im going to shove it in the basement and use it for camera capture on a USB webcam

[23:30:41]

wagnerrp:

just wondering if this spare P3 would cut it, or if i need to dig through my old parts and find a usb card

[23:30:48]

Anduin:

wagnerrp: I'd think it unlikely to have 2.0 on the motherboard

[23:31:04]

wagnerrp:

digging it is...

[23:31:40]

Enox:

Can 1080p be transmitted over RGB? The HDFury claims HDMI->RGB with 1080p quality.

[23:32:14]

wagnerrp:

RGB will do up to 2048x1536

[23:32:15]

wagnerrp:

so yes

[23:32:24]

Circuitsoft:

Not using X redirection.

[23:32:24]

Anduin:

Circuitsoft: usual empty screen is 1) try qt painter 2) check for missing fonts (most MythTV themes use MS fonts)

[23:33:03]

iamlindoro__:

The HDFury works very very well.

[23:33:25]

Enox:

Yea..Basically one could use it to rip Bluray to Myth in full quality, right?

[23:33:28]

iamlindoro__:

you can do 1080p over VGA, or component easily

[23:33:41]

wagnerrp:

except you shouldnt be buying the HDFury

[23:33:46]

wagnerrp:

get the HDFury2

[23:33:51]

Enox:

Well yes, I meant a HDFury2.

[23:34:23]

iamlindoro__:

Well, there'd be quality loss as you'd be capturing from analog (presumably with the Hauppauge HD-PVR) and doing an encode on it, so there'd be a loss from the encode

[23:34:27]

iamlindoro__:

But it's fairly minimal

[23:34:44]

iamlindoro__:

I personally don't feel real-time capture of Blu-ray is the best way to do it, but it is *a* way to do it

[23:34:55]

Enox:

What do you think the best way to do it, is?

[23:35:06]

iamlindoro__:

By decrypting the disk in AnyDVD HD

[23:35:10]

iamlindoro__:

(in windows)

[23:35:22]

Enox:

Well yes..But is it possible to automate that and stuff it in myth?

[23:35:23]

iamlindoro__:

Then you *do* get the original file, and therefore the full quality

[23:35:26]

Enox:

Plus that's...windos...eww.

[23:35:40]

wagnerrp:

it can be done in vmware

[23:36:00]

Enox:

Seems like the fury2 could be fairly easy for a normal person

[23:36:00]

iamlindoro__:

Enox, OK, well if operating system evangelism is more important to you than getting the original file, HDFury away

[23:36:09]

Enox:

Iam- I know..You're right.

[23:36:25]

iamlindoro__:

Heh, AnyDVD is *far* easier than capture with the HD-PVR at this point

[23:36:26]

Enox:

It was more that I wanna set this up for a normal person and that seems a little difficult for them.

[23:36:32]

iamlindoro__:

plus the HD-PVR is only up to 1080i

[23:36:41]

iamlindoro__:

so the best captures you'll get will be 1080i or 720p

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Enox:

Hmm

[23:36:55]

Enox:

What about a capture card of some variety on a PC?

[23:37:10]

iamlindoro__:

This *is* on a PC

[23:37:19]

Enox:

Sorry I'm a bit new at this.

[23:37:23]

iamlindoro__:

the HD-PVR is a USB capture box

[23:37:36]

wagnerrp:

as opposed to a mac, which of course is just a pc anymore anyway

[23:38:15]

Enox:

Cany anyDVD just be configured to ID & Dump it to a NAS with a relevant filename? Then myth could pick it up there perhaps?

[23:38:21]

wagnerrp:

if you want 1080p, i think the $2K Matrox card can manage that

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wagnerrp:

all andvd does is removes copy protection

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iamlindoro__:

With anyDVD, you drop the disk in the drive, right click the AnyDVD icon in the tray, and choose "Rip move to disk."

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wagnerrp:

you still need some other rip program

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iamlindoro__:

er movie

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iamlindoro__:

wagnerrp, naw, it's built in

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wagnerrp:

of course at that point, 'cp' works

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Enox:

Just trying to figure out the easiest way to get bluray

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wagnerrp:

there is some minimal ripping capability? i thought you had to use clonedvd

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iamlindoro__:

I personally just let it decrypt, open a command window, find the largest file (which is the film itself, and go "copy 00001.m2ts Z:\The Dark Knight.m2ts"

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iamlindoro__:

wagnerrp, nope, built in

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iamlindoro__:

It's not all the bells and whistles, but for getting it to your hard drive, it works

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Circuitsoft:

What is QT Painter?

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sphery:

Circuitsoft: mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt

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iamlindoro__:

The painter from Qt used by myth to render widgets/menus/etc.

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Circuitsoft:

Googling gets me the QTt

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Enox:

The m2ts format is the huge full quality version?

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sphery:

it's less demanding than OpenGL

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Circuitsoft:

ok

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iamlindoro__:

Enox, m2ts is just a container format, it doesn't mean anything about the contentsa

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Circuitsoft:

"mythtv-setup -O ThemePainter=qt" makes no difference

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iamlindoro__:

Circuitsoft, And do you have whatever your distro calls the msttcorefonts installed?

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Circuitsoft:

Just did.

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Circuitsoft:

No difference.

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Circuitsoft:

BTW, debian/lenny

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kb9vqf:

I went ahead and fixed the myth.rebuilddatabase.pl script--do you want to take a look at it for possible upload to SVN?

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kb9vqf:

It now auto-detects the length of the recording, populates the file size field, and proplery handles the start time

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kb9vqf:

Anduin: I went ahead and fixed the myth.rebuilddatabase.pl script--do you want to take a look at it for possible upload to SVN? It now auto-detects the length of the recording, populates the file size field, and prpperly handles the start time.

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Anduin:

kb9vqf: You can open a ticket and attach your patch, if you keep your expectations low enough it won't be too bad.

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kb9vqf:

Anduin: OK, sounds good.

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