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| [00:07:27] | CaptObviousman: | is vdpau turned on by default, or does it have to be specifically enabled? |
| [00:07:53] | Wagner: | it has to be specifically compiled in (which it is not) and then specifically enabled in the playback profile (which it is not) |
| [00:08:06] | CaptObviousman: | hmm, that's what I thought |
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| [00:36:57] | CaptObviousman: | hmm, attempt number two, this time explicitly turning on vdpau runs into the same problem |
| [00:37:25] | kormoc: | which you haven't seem to ever have mentioned |
| [00:37:51] | CaptObviousman: | I'm about to. I didn't want to bother people here if I could solve it myself |
| [00:38:06] | Wagner: | well thats obvious |
| [00:38:19] | CaptObviousman: | http://pastebin.ca/1284006 |
| [00:41:09] | Wagner: | i would distclean and try again |
| [00:42:23] | Anduin: | CaptObviousman: you should svn up, but that error should mean VDPAU didn't enable correctly |
| [00:43:06] | iamlindoro__: | Which begs the question "what version of the Nvidia drivers are you running" |
| [00:44:06] | CaptObviousman: | I downloaded fresh ones from nvidia's website late last night. Hang on I'll get you a number |
| [00:44:45] | CaptObviousman: | it took it a long time last night to checkout from svn, so I'm wondering if there was a commit in the middle of my process |
| [00:45:30] | CaptObviousman: | NVIDIA-Linux-x86–177.82-pkg1.run |
| [00:45:32] | iamlindoro__: | Those aren't VDPAU drivers. |
| [00:45:36] | iamlindoro__: | Had that waiting for you |
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| [00:46:05] | iamlindoro__: | OK, I'll bite and be the bad guy. You shouldn't be running trunk. |
| [00:46:21] | GreyFoxx: | you need the beta 180.11 driver |
| [00:46:25] | GreyFoxx: | and it's not on their website |
| [00:46:40] | GreyFoxx: | you can find it in the nvnews.net linux forum in the Current driver version thread |
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| [00:48:35] | CaptObviousman: | iamlindoro__: you recommend I go back to an earlier checkpoint, or to .21? |
| [00:49:18] | iamlindoro__: | I recommend .21-fixes if you're running trunk and expecting/needing support. |
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| [01:25:29] | clever: | 2008-12–12 21:25:15.774 mythbackend: Delete Recording: File /GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/media/1020_20081212195800.mpg does not exist for chan |
| [01:34:20] | clever: | i allready created such a file |
| [01:34:27] | clever: | but i have to restart the backend before it bothers to look |
| [01:37:18] | RyeBrye: | Does VDPAU in trunk make all your wildest dreams come true? |
| [01:40:30] | CaptObviousman: | so far so good |
| [01:42:58] | CaptObviousman: | hey look it worked |
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| [01:45:28] | GreyFoxx: | RyeBrye: It works really well for mpeg2 and broadcast h264 content |
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| [01:47:45] | RyeBrye: | Is it totally bleeding or moderately stable? |
| [01:47:55] | Wagner: | moderately stable |
| [01:49:18] | RyeBrye: | I was running trunk for a long time, but jumped off when the mythUI "don't run trunk unless you like broken builds" warning messages started coming |
| [01:49:34] | GreyFoxx: | it's very stable |
| [01:49:45] | GreyFoxx: | assuming you are not watching h264 crap you downloa from the net |
| [01:50:15] | GreyFoxx: | If you are then I'd wait |
| [01:50:37] | GreyFoxx: | broken builds? I'm not aware of any of that being mythui related |
| [01:50:41] | GreyFoxx: | more like the QT4 port stuff |
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| [01:52:51] | CoffeeIV: | I have just installed mythubuntu, and I want to play .mp4 files from a USB flash drive that I put in the computer. Is there a way to copy the file to the mytharchive directory or something ? |
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| [01:54:18] | iamlindoro__: | mytharchive is a plugin that backs up myth recordings. You want to copy the files to the mythvideo directory. And you do that by... well, by copying them to the mythvideo directory in any way you see fit. |
| [01:55:31] | CoffeeIV: | iamlindoro: Thanks ! I can copy them. How do I find or tell what the mythvideo directory is ? |
| [01:55:54] | iamlindoro__: | Utilities/Setup->Setup->Media Settings->Video Settings->General, first page |
| [01:56:13] | iamlindoro__: | "Directories that hold videos" |
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| [01:57:17] | CoffeeIV: | I see it — thanks for your help — I am obviously completely new to MythTV |
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| [01:57:57] | iamlindoro__: | you are welcome, good luck |
| [02:00:09] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: have you tried your latest mythtube with trunk from today ? She no compile now heh |
| [02:00:26] | iamlindoro__: | GreyFoxx, hmm, compiles here |
| [02:00:43] | GreyFoxx: | http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/19350 |
| [02:00:43] | iamlindoro__: | hang on, distcleaning and trying again |
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| [02:01:00] | iamlindoro__: | GreyFoxx, hang on, will fix |
| [02:01:00] | GreyFoxx: | that removed some stuff it refers to |
| [02:01:36] | iamlindoro__: | thanks for the heads up, hadn't svn uped for a day or two |
| [02:02:00] | iamlindoro__: | The challenge is to get it fixed before company comes over |
| [02:02:04] | GreyFoxx: | hehe |
| [02:02:16] | GreyFoxx: | let real like take priority :) |
| [02:02:31] | iamlindoro__: | It will when it arrives |
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| [02:03:01] | iamlindoro__: | Worst comes to worst I'll get a fix out in the morning |
| [02:04:41] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [02:06:30] | bomama: | GreyFoxx: which nvidia chip are you using with VDPAU again? |
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| [02:12:21] | squish102: | any preffered motherboard maker? my new gigabyte motherboard wont post all of a sudden :( |
| [02:13:26] | GreyFoxx: | bomama: 8400gs and a 8500gt |
| [02:13:41] | GreyFoxx: | but the one I happen to use most is the 8400gs |
| [02:17:14] | squish102: | looks like newegg only has 9 am2, micor atx, with hdmi and 8 series nvidia... not a big choice |
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| [02:36:14] | RyeBrye: | Anyone use these kind of ethernet-over-power-line things to run a line to another frontend: http://www.amazon.com/Actiontec-MegaPlug-Mbps . . . 0&sr=8-2 ? |
| [02:36:33] | javatexan: | i want to change a font size and weight on one of the MythVideo screens, I can't seem to find where I would make that change |
| [02:36:58] | Wagner: | RyeBrye: a few weeks ago, my old roommate started talking me me excitedly over AIM |
| [02:37:12] | Wagner: | talking about how he was online without running wires, but without running wireless |
| [02:37:22] | RyeBrye: | Ah – he was using those things? |
| [02:37:24] | Wagner: | obviously powerline |
| [02:37:42] | RyeBrye: | I'm wondering if it would clobber X10 stuf |
| [02:38:25] | RyeBrye: | Is 802.11n good enough for streaming 18Mbps streams to a frontend? |
| [02:38:36] | Wagner: | i started talking about all the issues with split networks in houses (1 220V line split in to two independent 110V lines inside the house), unshielded cable with issues with microwaves, cordless phones, cell phones, etc.... |
| [02:39:01] | Wagner: | well anyway, several hours later, i hear back with a 'you were right...' repeated several times, followed by him logging off |
| [02:39:10] | RyeBrye: | that's funny :) |
| [02:40:16] | RyeBrye: | Wikipedia says that 802.11n typical throughput is 74 Mbit/sec – which should be plenty for even HD shouldn't it? |
| [02:40:46] | Wagner: | again, its not the throughput thats an issue, its the lossiness |
| [02:41:18] | Wagner: | you can be running just fine, when someone picks up the cordless phone, and suddenly you lose your tv feed |
| [02:42:04] | Wagner: | or maybe the HAM operator down the street fires up his transmitters, and you just happen to be at a resonant frequency |
| [02:42:04] | RyeBrye: | Hmm... running a wire to where the frontend will be will be a major nightmare |
| [02:42:30] | Wagner: | 'n' is supposed to have built in channel hopping, and a slew of other technologies that should alleviate that issue |
| [02:42:49] | Wagner: | but it all amounts to testing in your particular environment |
| [02:42:50] | RyeBrye: | Currently in my house, I'm running with 11g and I've not had any issues with the signal dropping on me |
| [02:43:27] | Wagner: | the signal doesnt drop for sustained periods, you just drop off for a few seconds |
| [02:43:34] | Wagner: | something not even noticeable on most programs |
| [02:43:34] | RyeBrye: | hm |
| [02:46:49] | RyeBrye: | Myth would probably puke and not reconnect if the signal dropped? |
| [02:47:11] | Wagner: | it should reconnect just fine |
| [02:47:16] | Wagner: | but its still going to be annoying |
| [02:48:31] | RyeBrye: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833124081 That sounds like a better idea than the power-over-ethernet option |
| [02:48:47] | RyeBrye: | because even if it doesn't work... at least I'd have a sweet little router that is apparently hackable (dd-wrt runs on it) to play with |
| [02:48:59] | Wagner: | you mean ethernet-over-power? |
| [02:49:05] | RyeBrye: | oh, yeah :) |
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| [02:49:44] | bomama: | GreyFoxx: can you do 'lspci -nn | grep VGA' on the systems you are using VDPAU? |
| [02:51:06] | GreyFoxx: | What specifically do you wanna know |
| [02:51:18] | bomama: | squish102: wont post? when did you open the case up last since the 'incident?' |
| [02:51:49] | bomama: | GreyFoxx: the nvidia product id (internal nubers for the chips) |
| [02:51:58] | bomama: | numbers* |
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| [02:52:43] | bomama: | GreyFoxx: usually reported as NV93 (or whatever) via lspci |
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| [02:53:10] | GreyFoxx: | (II) NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA GPU GeForce 8400 GS (G98) at PCI:3:0:0 (GPU-0) |
| [02:53:10] | GreyFoxx: | (II) NVIDIA(GPU-1): NVIDIA GPU GeForce 8500 GT (G86) at PCI:2:0:0 (GPU-1) |
| [02:53:26] | bomama: | GreyFoxx: cool, thanks |
| [02:53:54] | GreyFoxx: | lspcithe G98 does vc-1, the G86 doesn't |
| [02:54:35] | bomama: | GreyFoxx: how much vid ram on G86? |
| [02:54:57] | GreyFoxx: | both have 512 |
| [02:55:00] | bomama: | oops, mant G98 |
| [02:55:06] | bomama: | meant* |
| [02:56:17] | bomama: | GreyFoxx: so any real hiccups for mpeg2/vc-1 playback? |
| [02:56:49] | GreyFoxx: | nope not on any of my mpeg2 nor any broadcase h264 or the h264 stuff I made with handbrake |
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| [02:57:05] | GreyFoxx: | but people watching downloaded crap are having plenty of problems |
| [02:57:20] | bomama: | GreyFoxx: yeah, no doubt |
| [02:57:27] | GreyFoxx: | but those will likely be taken care of with the next driver |
| [02:57:53] | bomama: | GreyFoxx: you using 180.11? |
| [02:58:00] | GreyFoxx: | yes |
| [02:59:14] | ** bomama wonders if all 9-series nvidia support vc-1 ** | |
| [03:00:21] | Wagner: | bomama: check out the wikipedia page, only certain chips are VP3 and support VC-1 decoding |
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| [03:01:17] | bomama: | Wagner: wikipedia page puts "unknown" on 9 series |
| [03:01:33] | Wagner: | ah, maybe its the purevideo page |
| [03:01:47] | squish102: | bomama, it was working fine, i popped the case and added another 2 gig of memory, then it would not display anything and no beep codes |
| [03:02:01] | bomama: | squish102: hehe |
| [03:02:21] | bomama: | squish102: take out the memory and try again :) |
| [03:02:22] | squish102: | took everything out now, including memry, and no beep codes, nothing (other than power to the mobo) |
| [03:02:42] | bomama: | squish102: esd? |
| [03:03:03] | squish102: | lights go on, like ethernet port power, light on front... esd? |
| [03:03:20] | bomama: | electrostatic damage |
| [03:03:46] | bomama: | squish102: reset the BIOS jumper? |
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| [03:03:57] | squish102: | i hope not... it has never happened to me before. i wonder if it is the mobo or possibly the cpu |
| [03:04:07] | squish102: | yes, i have cleared cmos |
| [03:04:10] | Wagner: | try one stick at a time, see if you have a singular bad stick |
| [03:04:38] | squish102: | ok, will try, i was hoping i would at least get beeps |
| [03:05:03] | bomama: | squish102: that's only if your mobo has beeper :) |
| [03:05:27] | squish102: | oh, i thought they kinda all had them biult in |
| [03:05:34] | bomama: | nope |
| [03:05:58] | bomama: | mobo builders save $$ by leaving off the beeper |
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| [03:06:34] | Wagner: | one manu, either abit or asus, talks to you out of the onboard audio |
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| [03:07:35] | bomama: | squish102: does the CPU fan spin up? |
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| [03:09:17] | squish102: | i have a big passive cooler on it, no fan |
| [03:09:27] | Wagner: | no case fans? |
| [03:09:30] | squish102: | this is ment to mbe my silent mythfrontend |
| [03:09:46] | squish102: | case fans are plugged into 12v and all start up |
| [03:09:47] | bomama: | squish102: I'd put a cpu fan on for sanity check |
| [03:10:13] | bomama: | even if it's not actually mounted to the CPU |
| [03:10:21] | squish102: | this mobo does not have a speaker :( |
| [03:10:49] | bomama: | some mobos wont start if cpu fan wont start |
| [03:10:50] | squish102: | ok, let me move over another computer that has a cpu fan, and try plug it into this mobo |
| [03:11:15] | bomama: | squish102: nah, you dont need to do that |
| [03:11:16] | squish102: | it was working just fine, and i have copied all my data onto it and then wham, nothing |
| [03:11:26] | bomama: | just plug in a random fan |
| [03:11:31] | Wagner: | often times default settings on mobos will go batty if you dont have have CPU fan attached |
| [03:12:09] | Wagner: | it would sound all sorts of alarms, if you had alarms to sound |
| [03:12:25] | squish102: | ohh, somthing else i just figured out, there anre no lights on the keyboard |
| [03:12:37] | bomama: | squish102: preferably a fan which has a tachometer |
| [03:12:47] | Wagner: | they should blink once when you turn on the machine |
| [03:13:06] | squish102: | nothing blinks |
| [03:13:18] | Wagner: | assuming its a wired ps2 keyboard |
| [03:13:34] | squish102: | i may have to rip a psu out another computer to eliminate psu possibilityis |
| [03:13:40] | squish102: | yes, wired ps2 |
| [03:13:44] | bomama: | squish102: I dont understand how you could inflict so much damage replacing memory |
| [03:14:29] | Wagner: | unless you favor wearing wool, ESD really isnt that much of a risk |
| [03:14:42] | squish102: | well, i do blieve, now that i think about it, it has happened possibly once or twice before... but i did not take notice, as i switched it off and on and then it booted |
| [03:14:57] | bomama: | depends if he had the heat on |
| [03:15:21] | bomama: | if he had heat on ESD is rather likely |
| [03:15:24] | Wagner: | i usually dont go more than a couple weeks between digging into a computer, and in ~10yrs, ive never caused a problem |
| [03:15:43] | squish102: | so it may not have had anything to do with me inserting memory.. |
| [03:15:44] | Wagner: | depends if he has a humidifier |
| [03:17:39] | bomama: | squish102: so you have nothing on mobo besides PSU and CPU? |
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| [03:19:54] | asmussen: | I'm trying to get my mythtv setup working with spdif passthrough audio, but I'm not having any luck. I've successfully tested the audio config with mplayer and played back a dvd with 5.1 sound with no problems, but I can't get the spdif passthrough in Mythtv working. The only two results I can get are either no sound at all or a horrible popping noise depending on exactly what settings I try. Has |
| [03:20:16] | asmussen: | anybody here ever seen anything like that? |
| [03:20:52] | squish102: | bomama and one memory stick now |
| [03:21:13] | bomama: | squish102: and you have speaker attached? |
| [03:21:16] | squish102: | but i guess i cannot find a speaker, so i cannot even figure out if there are beep codes |
| [03:21:54] | squish102: | busy looking in other computer and hope to find a good ol speaker that I can rip out |
| [03:21:58] | bomama: | squish102: most likely there are beep codes for the mobo |
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| [03:35:18] | squish102: | ok, the only two other computers dont have speakers. so with the 4 speaker pins, can i link them up to headphones? |
| [03:35:35] | Wagner: | to be honest, i have no idea |
| [03:35:39] | Wagner: | its the two outer pins |
| [03:36:05] | bomama: | yup, you can use headphones in a pinch |
| [03:36:33] | squish102: | wow, let my try rig something |
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| [03:58:15] | squish102: | ok i give up, gonna just order another cheap mobo and hope it is not the cpu |
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| [04:31:25] | leprechau: | so...I just got off on a wild hair today and decided to encode some of my old DVDs to h264/aac 5.1 with the latest handbrake svn ... the files seem fine and all the specs are right |
| [04:31:30] | aaronp: | FYI, 180.16 is out: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=1873716 |
| [04:31:51] | leprechau: | but now I can't figure out how to get mythtv/mplayer to send that as 5.1 to my receiver |
| [04:31:57] | leprechau: | through spdif |
| [04:32:43] | Wagner: | you need to set up alsa to recode the raw streams back to AC3 |
| [04:32:59] | Wagner: | digital 5.1 requires AC3 format |
| [04:33:08] | leprechau: | have a guide for that by any chance? |
| [04:33:15] | leprechau: | or wiki page or something? |
| [04:33:22] | Wagner: | there may be one on the wiki |
| [04:33:28] | Wagner: | or the ALSA people may have something |
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| [04:49:34] | aegis: | hey all |
| [04:51:12] | aegis: | what hardware are you guys using for mythtv backends? raids? Intel dual core? I'd like mine to also work as a file server... |
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| [04:52:31] | Wagner: | file server: Opteron 165, ARC-1230, 7x750GB, 2x320GB, 2GB |
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| [04:52:52] | Wagner: | backend: Ath64 3200+, 2x300GB, 1GB |
| [04:54:45] | aegis: | wagner: you split them up? that is a crazy file server... lol... are the 7x750's a raid? |
| [04:54:55] | Wagner: | raid6 |
| [04:55:19] | Wagner: | thats actually a relatively moderate file server |
| [04:55:20] | aegis: | are you recording HD with the backend? |
| [04:55:26] | Wagner: | correct |
| [04:55:49] | aegis: | how many hours do you get with 600GB? around 20? |
| [04:56:37] | aegis: | Do you think it's worth building your own? |
| [04:56:40] | Wagner: | i would get about an hour if i were storing uncompressed raws |
| [04:56:49] | Wagner: | 20hr is by far an understatement |
| [04:57:39] | Wagner: | somewhere closer to 90hr |
| [04:57:51] | aegis: | Wow... very cool... |
| [04:57:56] | Wagner: | average HD is only 15mbit |
| [04:58:20] | aegis: | How much did it cost you for the backend? Did you build it from scratch? |
| [04:58:57] | Wagner: | it slowly gets upgraded over several years, not sure what the actual cost is |
| [05:01:17] | Wagner: | current parts at original purchase price is about $2400 |
| [05:01:20] | aegis: | Oh... then you wouldn't have a parts list for it I guess... Does it use a lot of power? What sort of power supply do you have? |
| [05:01:38] | aegis: | Wow... that's kind of pricey... :( |
| [05:01:57] | aegis: | That file server must have cost twice that |
| [05:02:45] | Wagner: | that is the file server, the backend is more like $550 |
| [05:02:54] | Wagner: | at original purchase price |
| [05:03:15] | Wagner: | note most of the hardware on both of those machines were purchased several years ago |
| [05:03:39] | Wagner: | the only thing newer than about two years on either are the 750GB drives |
| [05:05:01] | Wagner: | as far as power consumption, the backend probably pulls about 150W under load, the server closer to 250–300W |
| [05:06:30] | aegis: | $550 is around what I'd like to spend on a backend.... |
| [05:07:05] | aegis: | oh gotcha... but if it works, then that's all that matters... It's not like you are playing video games on them. |
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| [05:08:08] | Wagner: | you should be able to put something very capable together just shy of $400, plus tuners |
| [05:09:40] | aegis: | what cases did you go with? Those are quite a few drives in there. I guess you bought two different kinds? |
| [05:10:32] | Wagner: | some codegen doublewide for the server, P180 for the backend |
| [05:11:12] | Wagner: | next purchase i do will be a purpose built frontend, and the backend goes into the basement next to the server |
| [05:11:16] | aegis: | I'm going to go look them up |
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| [05:11:39] | aegis: | yeah, that's what I'm doing... We spoke last night about the frontend parts... |
| [05:11:40] | aegis: | :) |
| [05:11:48] | Wagner: | the P180 is exceedingly large for sitting in a living room |
| [05:12:08] | Wagner: | but thats just because im using an SLI board off my old desktop |
| [05:12:34] | Wagner: | theres really no need for something that large unless you want several tuners |
| [05:13:32] | aegis: | Nope... I think I'll have my hands full with one tuner actually ... :) |
| [05:13:47] | aegis: | I saw you guys writing last night about floating decimal point errors... |
| [05:14:37] | Wagner: | dont know about that |
| [05:15:27] | aegis: | so your file server is rack mounted I take it? |
| [05:15:28] | leprechau: | okay lots of googling |
| [05:15:31] | leprechau: | one step closer |
| [05:15:40] | Wagner: | no, double-wide eATX |
| [05:15:51] | leprechau: | I have extracted the h264 video stream and aac audio to seperate files |
| [05:16:04] | Wagner: | i guess it would be comparable to 7U |
| [05:16:07] | leprechau: | anyone know an ac3 encoder for linux that can take aac input? |
| [05:16:58] | Wagner: | leprechau: you have mythtv decode audio, send it to ALSA, and then ALSA handles on-the-fly encoding and digital output |
| [05:17:42] | Wagner: | thats the basic process |
| [05:17:48] | Wagner: | ive never done it, so i dont know the details |
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| [05:21:46] | aegis: | Wagner: so did you use eatx mobos? |
| [05:22:12] | Wagner: | i have one, dual P3, but i dont use it anymore |
| [05:22:44] | Wagner: | the case was just purchased because it has 12 5.25" bays |
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| [05:23:08] | aegis: | but it accepts a standard atx motherboard as well? |
| [05:23:16] | Wagner: | good for 18 hard drives, plus another 5 internal |
| [05:24:02] | Wagner: | nearly all cases should have multiple tap points to allow you to mount various standards of boards |
| [05:24:08] | aegis: | that probably gets nice and warm |
| [05:24:32] | Wagner: | not exceedingly |
| [05:24:36] | GreyFoxx: | yay VDPAU updates! |
| [05:26:05] | Wagner: | GreyFoxx: yeah, just installed it myself |
| [05:26:08] | Wagner: | havent tried it yet |
| [05:30:00] | aaronp: | You guys saw the change to VdpDecoderCreate, right? |
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| [05:48:15] | jpabq: | aaronp, I saw that the prototype had changed. Not sure what we should be passing for max_references, though. |
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| [05:52:13] | fuxxy: | I installed new gentoo-sources but havent compiled a kernel yet. I'm trying to rebuild lirc with support for another LIRC_DEVICE, and it complains that there is no makefile in /usr/src/linux. What do I need to do to rebuild LIRC? |
| [05:52:34] | wagnerrp: | generate a config file |
| [05:52:42] | wagnerrp: | 'cd /usr/src/linux; make menuconfig;' |
| [05:53:14] | fuxxy: | can't I just point /usr/src/linux back to the current running kernel version in 'uname -a'? |
| [05:53:40] | wagnerrp: | if you want to compile lirc for the old kernel |
| [05:54:09] | fuxxy: | I'm still running the old kernel, I don't have time to generate a .config at the moment for the new kernel. |
| [05:54:33] | wagnerrp: | you can copy the old .config to the new directory, and run 'make oldconfig' |
| [05:54:38] | wagnerrp: | ive never used that method though |
| [05:54:54] | fuxxy: | It still complains that there is no Makefile in /usr/src/linux, even after pointing /usr/src/linux to the currently running kernel version. |
| [05:55:15] | wagnerrp: | well then i guess you just have to build the kernel |
| [05:55:45] | fuxxy: | There's a version change in the new kernel vs old, and the gentoo docs tell me that I shouldn't use oldconfig unless it's just a minor revision (gentoo-r5 to gentoo-r7, etc) |
| [05:55:52] | fuxxy: | I guess so then :) |
| [05:55:52] | wagnerrp: | kernel modules must be built directly against your specific config on your specific kernel tree |
| [05:55:56] | wagnerrp: | or else they cannot be loaded |
| [05:57:44] | fuxxy: | oop, I just realized, i'm in the wrong freaking channel :) |
| [05:57:52] | fuxxy: | but good advice all the same, wagnerrp |
| [05:59:35] | aegis: | wagnerrp: what range power supply will I need for the backend? and could I go with an 80 plus style? |
| [05:59:54] | wagnerrp: | i would advise an '80 plus' PSU |
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| [06:00:16] | wagnerrp: | what kind of hardware are you looking for |
| [06:00:51] | wagnerrp: | you dont need big or multiple video cards, which is one of the biggest power draws |
| [06:01:40] | wagnerrp: | expect 10–15W peak per hard drive |
| [06:02:29] | wagnerrp: | DDR2 will do ~10W per side |
| [06:02:57] | wagnerrp: | low end video cards might be 30W |
| [06:03:19] | wagnerrp: | 60W for a midrange proc, double for high end |
| [06:03:25] | bomama: | wagnerrp: hard drive is wrong |
| [06:03:45] | aegis: | I was thinking about getting 4 of the WD Green Cavier 650GB HD's from newegg |
| [06:03:51] | bomama: | you're not taking into spin up into account |
| [06:04:12] | wagnerrp: | well youre certainly going to spike much higher than that |
| [06:04:24] | wagnerrp: | but then most modern motherboards allow for staggered startup |
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| [06:05:48] | aegis: | wagner: do you run a raid on your backend? |
| [06:05:56] | wagnerrp: | hardware, yes |
| [06:06:14] | aegis: | through a pci card? |
| [06:06:19] | wagnerrp: | hell no |
| [06:06:31] | aegis: | lol... through what then?// |
| [06:06:47] | RyeBrye: | The PSU I bought might have been overkill, but I'm amazed at it is so quiet: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817379006 |
| [06:06:57] | wagnerrp: | any RAID card of any worth will be PCIe or PCIX |
| [06:07:09] | wagnerrp: | and PCIX doesnt come on consumer-grade motherboards |
| [06:08:15] | aegis: | RyeBrye: wow... 750watts? for a backend server? |
| [06:08:31] | RyeBrye: | yeah, but I'm planning to add a ton of HDD's to it |
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| [06:08:34] | wagnerrp: | RyeBrye: to be honest, that price isnt bad |
| [06:08:50] | wagnerrp: | and its almost better to go overkill just so you have more wiring leads |
| [06:09:24] | RyeBrye: | That PSU is likely so quiet because it is never under any load :P |
| [06:09:46] | RyeBrye: | My system is heavily overclocked though – so I wanted a stable PSU |
| [06:10:02] | wagnerrp: | sure, you can buy splitters, but you dont want to chain too much on a single line out of a power supply |
| [06:10:32] | RyeBrye: | I pretty much went for overkill on all my stuff for my system – I haven't regretted it |
| [06:10:42] | RyeBrye: | and now that VDPAU is out, it's crazy overkill |
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| [06:44:58] | Lexridge: | My buddy who has been learning mythtv for about a week. His backend died a few days into it, so he bought a new MB. Reinstalled everything....Now.... |
| [06:45:36] | Lexridge: | his ivtv drivers don't load. I had him get the latest v4l drivers and make install on those, no difference. Any ideas what might keep ivtv from loading? |
| [06:45:52] | wagnerrp: | check dmesg |
| [06:46:16] | Lexridge: | ivtv doesn't even show up in dmesg. |
| [06:46:38] | Lexridge: | In messages, it shows the ivtv startup, and the next line ends it...no apparent error. |
| [06:46:54] | Lexridge: | however, nothing is loading in between. |
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| [06:47:23] | Lexridge: | exactly what ivtv do, and do we need it? |
| [06:47:37] | wagnerrp: | do you have a PVR card? |
| [06:48:00] | Lexridge: | he has a hvr1600 |
| [06:48:16] | wagnerrp: | well then he needs ivtv for analog |
| [06:48:49] | Lexridge: | Thats what I though. What is happening is, he gets video, but never any audio. The audio is not even been recording within the mpeg stream. |
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| [06:49:15] | Lexridge: | since the ivtv drivers are not loading, that is what I think is problem is. |
| [06:49:24] | wagnerrp: | there are some known I2C issues with the 1600, but i dont know what they amount to |
| [06:49:57] | Lexridge: | He had the card working before his MB smoked. |
| [06:50:09] | Lexridge: | now, it's plugged into a new MB with x2 cpu |
| [06:50:40] | Lexridge: | I thought the issues were only for early version also. |
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| [06:53:29] | Lexridge: | I've googled for this problem, but don't really get anything concrete. |
| [06:54:32] | CCFL_Man2: | Lexridge: i want a motorola cherrypicker |
| [06:54:46] | Lexridge: | WTH is that!? |
| [06:55:03] | wagnerrp: | a truck with a box on a mechanical arm |
| [06:55:21] | Lexridge: | motorola makes these now? |
| [06:56:44] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp: does the ivtv driver not come from the v4l-dvb package? |
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| [06:57:53] | wagnerrp: | honestly, i get them from my kernel |
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| [06:59:13] | Lexridge: | well sure, if you kernel is 2.6.26+. After ivtv started failing to start, I though maybe a newer version might work, and installed the tip package. Didn't make any difference however. |
| [06:59:44] | Lexridge: | strange thing is, I can modprobe ivtv and it loads after boot. |
| [06:59:47] | CCFL_Man2: | Lexridge: it's a multiplexor and groomer |
| [07:00:36] | Lexridge: | but still doesn't work...er, have audio. However, the analog video is present. |
| [07:00:58] | Lexridge: | CCFL: What type of inputs doe it have? |
| [07:02:35] | CCFL_Man2: | mainly asi and dhei |
| [07:02:54] | CCFL_Man2: | you can build your own PMT with one, actually |
| [07:02:57] | CCFL_Man2: | cool shit |
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| [07:06:24] | Lexridge: | CCFL: Sounds like it. |
| [07:07:33] | CCFL_Man2: | yeah |
| [07:07:46] | CCFL_Man2: | you can create your own custom transport stream |
| [07:07:47] | Lexridge: | it sounds like you have some free time on your hands ;) |
| [07:08:25] | CCFL_Man2: | i love this stuff, it's all i use my free time for |
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| [07:08:50] | Lexridge: | Anyone else get lots of ice and snow today? We got hammered!! A total whiteout for 20 minutes. |
| [07:09:51] | clever: | we just got home today, 3 feet in the driveway:P |
| [07:09:58] | Lexridge: | ouch!! |
| [07:10:02] | clever: | couldnt get the van in the driveway |
| [07:10:14] | Lexridge: | what part of the country you in? |
| [07:10:21] | clever: | canada, east coast |
| [07:10:30] | Lexridge: | oh, very cold brrrrrrrrrrr |
| [07:10:41] | clever: | it was only -0 :P |
| [07:11:21] | clever: | it was followed by freezing rain, so there was a thick layer of ice ontop of the snow |
| [07:11:44] | CCFL_Man2: | Lexridge: i have to clean the ice off my dishes |
| [07:11:48] | Lexridge: | yikes! It's suppose to get down into the low 20s here tonight. It was still 28 when I got home about 40 minutes ago. |
| [07:12:04] | clever: | the furnace also kicked out so it was 12 c indoors when we got home |
| [07:12:16] | clever: | -0 C |
| [07:12:31] | Lexridge: | that's chilly! |
| [07:13:03] | clever: | yeah |
| [07:13:08] | Lexridge: | My temp were in F. |
| [07:13:28] | clever: | yours is such a backwards country:P |
| [07:13:59] | clever: | who in there right mind sets 32 degrees as the freezing point?:P |
| [07:14:01] | Lexridge: | I agree. We should have adobted the metric system in the 70s, but didn't |
| [07:14:23] | clever: | did they just pull random numbers out of a hat? |
| [07:14:29] | Lexridge: | seems like it. |
| [07:15:28] | Lexridge: | I don't know where it came from actually, and google could proibably explain it to us, but I'm too tired to look atm ;) |
| [07:15:43] | clever: | wikipedia probly has more info |
| [07:15:50] | clever: | but ive been waiting 2 hours for firefox to load |
| [07:16:12] | clever: | firefox wants a gig of ram, i have 256mb |
| [07:16:27] | Lexridge: | I think I'd killall firefox by now |
| [07:16:30] | wagnerrp: | been searching the porn? |
| [07:16:44] | clever: | Lexridge: then id need another 2 hours:P |
| [07:16:52] | clever: | wagnerrp: all i did was open firefox |
| [07:17:06] | clever: | and all 200 tabs i left open came back on there own... |
| [07:17:08] | Lexridge: | what does top or htop show you? |
| [07:17:29] | clever: | Lexridge: 66% of the ram going to firefox |
| [07:17:35] | clever: | and constantly swapping |
| [07:17:39] | Lexridge: | oh, you need to kill it, and then restart it telling it NOT to load the previous session. |
| [07:17:59] | clever: | and then i would loose all the tabs that i left open for a reeason:P |
| [07:18:13] | Lexridge: | oh, it was intentional. NM |
| [07:18:15] | clever: | though i cant remember half those reasons right now |
| [07:18:34] | Lexridge: | it may not matter before long ;) |
| [07:19:00] | Lexridge: | it run outta memory and swap, you are going down |
| [07:19:06] | clever: | clever 6337 8.6 64.1 1098112 164208 pts/5 Dl+ 01:54 7:16 /usr/lib/firefox-3.0.4/firefox -P dev |
| [07:19:14] | clever: | Swap: 1048568k total, 471200k used, 577368k free, 18920k cached |
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| [07:20:10] | clever: | i can just ctrl+z it whenever i need some performance |
| [07:20:23] | clever: | the system recovers allmost instantly |
| [07:20:55] | EnderTheThird: | anyone else have trouble with myth not responding to IR commands for ~60 seconds while playing a recording sometimes? |
| [07:21:07] | Lexridge: | memory is cheap these days :) |
| [07:21:23] | clever: | Lexridge: i think this laptop is allready maxed out |
| [07:21:32] | wagnerrp: | Lexridge: not for the parts clever has |
| [07:21:34] | clever: | i should have just booted up the one with a gig of ram and used that |
| [07:22:08] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp: is that an inside joke? |
| [07:22:28] | clever: | model name : Pentium III (Coppermine) |
| [07:22:29] | wagnerrp: | clever has a bunch of old P2 and P3 laptops |
| [07:22:41] | wagnerrp: | PC100 is expensive, sodimms more so |
| [07:23:02] | clever: | i was looking for some 30pin ram a few weeks ago |
| [07:23:12] | clever: | my 4866 SX doesnt have enough ram for duke nukem |
| [07:23:22] | Lexridge: | yea, old shit is really expensive. |
| [07:23:51] | clever: | which means i can probly sell it for parts and get rich:P |
| [07:24:22] | wagnerrp: | if you can find someone to buy it |
| [07:24:23] | Lexridge: | maybe. Look at SD100 RAM on ebay. It's still going for more than modern RAM. |
| [07:24:31] | wagnerrp: | not much of a market either directions |
| [07:24:51] | clever: | or just put the stuff on ebay and say goodbye:P |
| [07:25:18] | Lexridge: | when linux dists still supported older hardware, which is really doesn't now in major releases, it was great to have old pcs stacked around. Nowadays, I just toss them out. |
| [07:25:45] | clever: | i tryed to run linux on the 486 sx a while ago |
| [07:25:54] | Lexridge: | I couldn't bare going back to RedHat 9 |
| [07:25:56] | clever: | no math co processor and no math emulation:P |
| [07:26:05] | Lexridge: | yea, that is common |
| [07:26:21] | clever: | i know how to fix it now |
| [07:26:27] | clever: | but havent gotten arround to it |
| [07:26:45] | Lexridge: | the newer sse sse2 sse3 etc....speeds things up so much, the os took advantage of it, leaving older pcs in the dust, |
| [07:26:50] | clever: | the vt100 compatible terminal was working great, so i didnt realy need to make the 486 into a thin client |
| [07:27:54] | Lexridge: | I'm sure there are many linux dists that still run on outdated HW. There is DSL for one...That sucked would proabblyu boot on an 8088 cpu :) |
| [07:28:21] | clever: | i installed ubuntu to a 1gig partition on my SD chip a few weeks ago |
| [07:28:22] | Lexridge: | that sucker would proably boot on an 8088 cpu, is how that should have read |
| [07:28:27] | clever: | to play with the new nvidia driver |
| [07:29:04] | clever: | i think it was working great, but it was hard to handle the system and get details when using ratpoison |
| [07:29:10] | Lexridge: | did you remape /tmp to ramdrive or something? |
| [07:29:32] | clever: | probly should have, i started to get bad sectors in the wrong places and the system went down:P |
| [07:29:35] | Lexridge: | to avoid the loads of write cycles? |
| [07:29:44] | Lexridge: | oh |
| [07:30:09] | clever: | but i knew it worked, so i gave it a try on my nfs rooted install |
| [07:30:12] | Lexridge: | I've always heard you have to assign OS write operations to a RAMDISk somewhere. |
| [07:30:17] | clever: | then i discovered a new problem |
| [07:30:29] | clever: | mythbackend loads the new libGL.so |
| [07:30:39] | clever: | the neew libGL.so aborts if it cant find sse |
| [07:30:45] | clever: | my master backend lacks sse |
| [07:30:52] | clever: | and shares / with the nvidia laptop |
| [07:31:03] | clever: | so mythbackend suddendly stoped functioning:P |
| [07:31:38] | clever: | this is why i dont like linking cli programs like mythbackend with gui libs like libGL.so :P |
| [07:31:51] | Lexridge: | I had the same problem with an older AMD chip. It only supported sse, and nothing else. I had to replace it. Could not find any workaround. |
| [07:32:30] | Lexridge: | HOwever, you may be able to install a pre .107 nvidia driver, which only uses sse, and it may work. |
| [07:33:12] | clever: | my problem was thhat a nnon gui program was loading libGL and crashing from a LACK of sse |
| [07:33:23] | clever: | whicch would have caused no problems at all |
| [07:33:57] | Lexridge: | what OS are you running? |
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| [07:34:08] | clever: | ubuntu 8.04 on most of my installs |
| [07:34:54] | Lexridge: | I'm not very familiar with ubuntu. I've had kubuntu installed for a shot time, and liked it mostly, but cound not get over sudo. :( |
| [07:35:11] | clever: | used any other debian based systems? |
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| [07:35:42] | Lexridge: | I have a Sharp Zaurus, which is debian based. |
| [07:35:52] | clever: | ah |
| [07:36:24] | Lexridge: | great machine, and still useful after all these years. |
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| [07:36:56] | Lexridge: | it's a SL5500 model |
| [07:37:24] | Lexridge: | it uses qtopia, very nice interface |
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| [07:38:11] | Lexridge: | it was actually my first portable MP3/OGG player. Worked fantastic :) |
| [07:38:39] | clever: | i cracked the lcd panel on my old 1ghz P3 laptop a while ago |
| [07:38:54] | Lexridge: | does it still work? |
| [07:38:58] | clever: | i just tore the whole panel off |
| [07:39:02] | clever: | and blindly typed into it |
| [07:39:10] | clever: | turned it into an oversized mp3 player:P |
| [07:39:53] | Lexridge: | cool. I've been playing with getting RockBox running on a nanoITX MB for car use, with touchscreen interface. |
| [07:39:59] | clever: | its fun to just BLINDLY type into a linux system for 3mins and then have it do something exactly like you expected |
| [07:40:30] | Lexridge: | I've done this before, but you have to be very careful, and know exactly the system state at the time. |
| [07:40:32] | clever: | i could use this P3 in the car if i had a touch panel display |
| [07:40:37] | clever: | yeah |
| [07:41:09] | clever: | the hinges in the lcd panel had blown out |
| [07:41:11] | RyeBrye: | Wow, a p3? When did you upgrade? |
| [07:41:16] | RyeBrye: | :P |
| [07:41:28] | clever: | so i had baught a wholle new panel, and raped it for the hinges alone |
| [07:41:40] | Lexridge: | They make automobile cases for the nanoITX cases that are really sweet! Computer with touchscreen monitor i/f on the MB, and wireless. |
| [07:41:45] | clever: | so when the 'old' panel cracked, i simply dug out the 'new' panel and swaped them |
| [07:42:05] | wagnerrp: | is this a laptop? or a full P3? |
| [07:42:07] | clever: | it was allready damaged when we got it, which made it cheaper |
| [07:42:11] | clever: | P3 laptop |
| [07:42:13] | Lexridge: | why have one, when you have two at twice the price ;) |
| [07:42:45] | clever: | wagnerrp: its the old 1ghz coppermine based laptop |
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| [07:43:32] | clever: | so far, its gone thru 2 hinges, 1 lcd panel, 1 harddrive, 1 power suply |
| [07:43:42] | clever: | and the touchpad is on its way oout |
| [07:45:39] | Lexridge: | someone once spilled a glass of blackberry wine into my laptop keyboard. Ugh! It was a nightmare to clean up. I took apart the keyboard and baked it in the oven for several hours. |
| [07:46:06] | Lexridge: | all works great still, and that was 7 years ago. |
| [07:46:13] | clever: | my mother spilled ~2 littres of sugar filled water upstairs a few years ago |
| [07:46:26] | clever: | it soaked thru the floor and rained down on my 50mhz laptop/server |
| [07:46:34] | clever: | i got home and noticed it was offline |
| [07:46:37] | clever: | and ping didnt work |
| [07:46:41] | EnderTheThird: | Lexridge: baked it in the oven? that works? |
| [07:47:00] | clever: | went in to reboot it |
| [07:47:10] | clever: | found a soaked laptop that was still on, and oddly warm |
| [07:47:29] | Lexridge: | EnderTheThird. Absolutely! Low temps of course, I had the oven set to 115F and baked it for about 6 hours. |
| [07:47:38] | EnderTheThird: | Lexridge: my bro spilled water all over his laptop's KB and it's dead now. maybe I'll suggest dismantling and baking, heh. |
| [07:47:39] | clever: | i moved the hdd&nic to the nearly iidentical laptop(withh COLOR and sound!) |
| [07:47:47] | wagnerrp: | so you bake out the water, and leave a bunch of sugar |
| [07:47:51] | Lexridge: | after washing everything in soapy water with a very good rense. |
| [07:47:54] | EnderTheThird: | The KB is dead, that is. Not the laptop. |
| [07:47:55] | wagnerrp: | i cant imagine thats the best |
| [07:47:56] | clever: | windoows 95 was never the same:P, even such a small change in the motherboard screwed it up |
| [07:48:27] | EnderTheThird: | Meh, it's worth a shot. Maybe he'll stop eying my eee if he gets his laptop working again, heh. |
| [07:48:42] | Lexridge: | If is hasn't corroded yet, you can remove just the keyboard, soak it in warm soapy water, rense well, then back |
| [07:48:44] | Lexridge: | bake |
| [07:49:04] | clever: | my toshiba was soaked down to the motherboard |
| [07:49:27] | Lexridge: | you can do this with a MB too, but you have to remove the entire board first. |
| [07:49:28] | clever: | its currently in a box in the garage, iin 15 peices |
| [07:50:07] | clever: | i put linux on a nearly identical model but had some trouble |
| [07:50:12] | clever: | its 486 so no pci |
| [07:50:27] | clever: | the pcmcia ethernet card doesnt work so no ethernet |
| [07:50:41] | clever: | and X11 forwarding over ppp over serial is painfull:P |
| [07:51:04] | Lexridge: | seems hardly worth it....unless you are just having fun doing it. |
| [07:51:15] | clever: | i was trying to make it into a thin client |
| [07:51:22] | clever: | run just X and forward everything else |
| [07:51:25] | Lexridge: | oh, okay |
| [07:51:33] | clever: | but until i get the ethernet working its useless |
| [07:51:36] | wagnerrp: | because you might want to use a screen that is AT MOST 640x480? |
| [07:51:45] | clever: | it is 640x480 :P |
| [07:51:53] | clever: | and one of them is in COLOR :P |
| [07:51:59] | clever: | the other toshiba is grey scale! |
| [07:52:03] | Lexridge: | you'd probably have to run an old version of XFree86 instead of xorg |
| [07:52:27] | clever: | i forget which one i was using, but i did have an X server working on it at one point |
| [07:52:41] | clever: | used LFS |
| [07:53:14] | Lexridge: | I dont think any version of xorg works with a 486, so it must have been Xfree86 |
| [07:53:48] | clever: | the current problem is finding the io ports and stuff for the pcmcia interface |
| [07:54:03] | clever: | linux doesnt even know it has a pcmcia bus |
| [07:54:29] | Lexridge: | you may have to build a module or build a custom kernel |
| [07:54:45] | clever: | the whole damn system was compiled from scratch:P |
| [07:54:49] | Lexridge: | if it's not seeing the bus, it does not have the driver for it. |
| [07:55:03] | clever: | its ISA, it cant autodetect ANYTHING |
| [07:55:13] | Lexridge: | does an lspci show it to you? |
| [07:55:23] | clever: | it has no PCI bus! |
| [07:55:35] | Lexridge: | I "think" lspci will also rec isa cards. |
| [07:55:50] | clever: | lspci is also not part of the default install:P |
| [07:56:16] | Lexridge: | apt-get install lspci? |
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| [07:56:30] | clever: | LFS doesnt have any package manager by default |
| [07:56:39] | Lexridge: | oh, you may need to build it then |
| [07:56:47] | clever: | everything is tar -xvf ....;cd ...;configure;make;make install |
| [07:56:54] | Lexridge: | it's a must when troubleshooting hardware |
| [07:57:16] | clever: | may i point out the 50mhz again?:P |
| [07:57:21] | clever: | how many hours to compile? |
| [07:57:29] | wagnerrp: | fun with distcc |
| [07:57:40] | clever: | distcc gets upset if i mix compiler versions |
| [07:58:03] | wagnerrp: | there are ways around that |
| [07:58:10] | clever: | i also hacked things up when building the initial system |
| [07:58:20] | clever: | so i had half a compiler chain on the laptop |
| [07:58:28] | clever: | and couldnt compile anything because i only had 20mb of ram |
| [07:58:35] | clever: | i couldnt even compile swapon :P |
| [07:58:46] | Lexridge: | my advice, unless you're just doing for a ssh terminal, or shell based enviroment, throw that computer in the nearest dumpster. ;) |
| [07:59:09] | clever: | so i used 'cat' to make a 3 line .c file that called the swapon syscall and compiled&ran that |
| [07:59:11] | Lexridge: | while you still can!!!! ;) |
| [07:59:37] | clever: | the 486 sx i have, i actualy pulled out of the garbage:P |
| [07:59:52] | Lexridge: | put it back!!!! Quickly!!!!!! LOL |
| [08:00:02] | clever: | it looks like a MAC |
| [08:00:10] | clever: | the CRT and 'desktop' parts are one peice |
| [08:00:16] | Lexridge: | huH!!?? |
| [08:00:26] | Lexridge: | what is the CPU ? |
| [08:00:32] | Lexridge: | motorola or intel? |
| [08:00:32] | clever: | 486 sx |
| [08:00:37] | clever: | intel i beleive |
| [08:00:39] | clever: | no heat sink |
| [08:00:49] | Lexridge: | Apple never had a 486 computer/. |
| [08:01:00] | clever: | yes its not a mac |
| [08:01:11] | clever: | but its goot the mac style oof monitor+tower |
| [08:01:11] | Lexridge: | just looks like one, IC |
| [08:01:24] | clever: | damnit |
| [08:01:27] | Lexridge: | what is the brand name? |
| [08:01:36] | clever: | when this system is swapping heavily, keys tend to 'stick' and repeat |
| [08:01:56] | clever: | compaq |
| [08:02:21] | clever: | CDS 510 |
| [08:03:04] | clever: | pretty much everything is onboard, except the ISA network card |
| [08:03:19] | clever: | including onboard audio |
| [08:03:34] | Lexridge: | be sure to let us know when you get mytv running on it ;) |
| [08:03:43] | clever: | loll |
| [08:04:15] | clever: | libmythtv.so is 52mb |
| [08:04:23] | clever: | it probly has under 20mb of ram |
| [08:04:28] | Lexridge: | I have a truck load of Amigas for sale. Some are actually 68040s running a 50mhz. Great old machine! |
| [08:04:35] | clever: | that might have problems:P |
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| [08:05:17] | Lexridge: | those old machine will actually run a version of Linux! |
| [08:05:36] | Lexridge: | I've not done it, but know folks who have. |
| [08:06:07] | clever: | generaly linux needs virtual memory to function |
| [08:06:19] | clever: | but with some hacks you can get it to work without that |
| [08:06:21] | Lexridge: | not if you have enough real memory |
| [08:06:31] | clever: | the problem is things like fork() |
| [08:06:54] | clever: | you need to create a seperate process, with identical data at the SAME memory address |
| [08:07:14] | clever: | without virtual memory, those processes would be sharing that data, and all hell would break loose |
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| [08:07:53] | Lexridge: | yea, when working with limited memory systems. Would not be necessary otherwise. You want to AVOID VM if you can. It generally kills the system bigtime when you get into it. |
| [08:08:11] | clever: | what would you define VM as :P |
| [08:08:19] | clever: | windows used the term wrong:P |
| [08:08:30] | clever: | VM != swap |
| [08:08:39] | Lexridge: | once into SWAP. you will take up to an 80% performance hit. |
| [08:08:49] | clever: | VM != swap |
| [08:09:02] | wagnerrp: | all modern operating systems and processors run off virtual memory |
| [08:09:12] | clever: | wagnerrp: exactly what i was about to explain |
| [08:09:25] | wagnerrp: | like clever said, its got nothing to do with swap |
| [08:09:31] | wagnerrp: | its just an abstraction of memory |
| [08:09:35] | Lexridge: | yes, to some extent, but when you run out of memory, you use swap. which is bad |
| [08:09:50] | clever: | you can have virtual memory without swap |
| [08:10:02] | clever: | i kept forgetting to enable the swap on my P3 laptop |
| [08:10:14] | clever: | it kept turning real bad every time i ran out:P |
| [08:10:15] | Lexridge: | yes, you can. But it is still a performance hit. How could it NOT be? |
| [08:10:20] | clever: | worse then if i did have swap |
| [08:10:41] | clever: | without swap, the system just hardlocks once it runs out of ram |
| [08:10:53] | Lexridge: | yea, it's bad!!! very bad!!!!! |
| [08:11:06] | wagnerrp: | typically it doesnt hardlock, it just kills something |
| [08:11:25] | Lexridge: | please explain the difference between VM and swap on linux? |
| [08:11:29] | wagnerrp: | sacrificing user applications for more critical systems |
| [08:11:51] | clever: | virtual memory lets every process have a virtual memory space, which is mapped to a seperate address space in real ram |
| [08:11:53] | wagnerrp: | swap is memory fed through the disk subsystem |
| [08:12:20] | clever: | every program can have its own version of the address 0x1234 and not conflict with eachother |
| [08:12:27] | Lexridge: | so really, you are talking about a ramdisk? |
| [08:12:28] | wagnerrp: | virtual memory is just a virtual addressing space encompassing all physical and swap up to 128GB or so |
| [08:12:46] | clever: | 4gig on 32bit systems |
| [08:13:02] | clever: | if you try to access a page of memory that isnt mapped, you cause a page fault |
| [08:13:08] | wagnerrp: | might be a few TB |
| [08:13:23] | clever: | the kernel will catch that error, and if its in the swap, will copy the page in and retry it |
| [08:13:30] | Lexridge: | okay, but clever's system only has 256MB, correct? |
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| [08:13:33] | clever: | if that page is unmaped, it will turn into a segfault |
| [08:13:35] | wagnerrp: | but i know the limit on x86_64 is well below the limits of 64-bit |
| [08:13:44] | clever: | i only have 256mb of psysical memory |
| [08:14:02] | clever: | but virtual memory lets every program use up to 3gig of 'memory' |
| [08:14:21] | Lexridge: | so you are using most of that with VM after booted, and then you get into the actual swap drive once exhasted. |
| [08:14:40] | wagnerrp: | its all VM |
| [08:14:53] | clever: | ive read half the code thats ran to boot up the linux kernel |
| [08:14:56] | Lexridge: | right, but the difference is ram VM and disk VM' |
| [08:15:03] | wagnerrp: | its actually something abstracted into the hardware on the processor |
| [08:15:09] | clever: | at some point a main() like function gets ran as pid 1, and sets up a bunch of things |
| [08:15:18] | clever: | at that point its allready using virtual memory |
| [08:15:39] | clever: | wagnerrp: yeah |
| [08:15:44] | Lexridge: | oh, you are talking about CPU cache, not sys memory or HDD |
| [08:15:53] | clever: | thats something else |
| [08:15:53] | wagnerrp: | no, virtual memory |
| [08:16:16] | clever: | virtual memory is where the cpu transparently maps a virtual address to a psysical memory address |
| [08:16:48] | Lexridge: | oh, okay, that makes better sense |
| [08:17:05] | clever: | every process in windows and linux, runs in its own private virtual address space |
| [08:17:17] | Lexridge: | correct |
| [08:17:20] | clever: | so it looks to have its own 4gig chunk of ram all to itself |
| [08:17:46] | clever: | in linux, its alocated with 3gig to userspace and 1gig to kernel space |
| [08:17:53] | Lexridge: | okay, I'm finally in sync now. |
| [08:18:01] | clever: | so every process has its own private chunk of 3gig of 'ram' |
| [08:18:17] | wagnerrp: | well thats default, but definable upon boot |
| [08:18:20] | wagnerrp: | same with windows |
| [08:18:35] | clever: | using the page tables, the cpu translates the virtual address to real memory addresses |
| [08:18:58] | clever: | if you try to access something not defined in the page tables, you generate a page fault |
| [08:19:13] | clever: | linux will then try to find out what belongs at that page |
| [08:19:35] | clever: | a mmap()'ed file would just be read in and then your instruction would be retried |
| [08:19:43] | clever: | a page that was swaped out would to the same |
| [08:21:04] | clever: | if it runs out of memory, it would write some pages to the swap file/partition, and then remove then from the page tables, making 'free' memory |
| [08:21:16] | clever: | or just release some cached memory |
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| [08:23:46] | clever: | also, if a program goes insane, it can only write to its own private virtual address space |
| [08:23:58] | clever: | so 1 program cant crash the entire system |
| [08:24:23] | wagnerrp: | thats the way the plan goes anyway |
| [08:24:26] | clever: | but on my PALM phone, the OS doesnt use virtual memory, so it only takes 1 stray pointer to crash the entire system |
| [08:25:06] | clever: | also, kernel level drivers have powers beyond even the godly root! :P |
| [08:25:37] | Lexridge: | I just watched one the worst movies ever made, and what is funny, I actually enjoyed it when I saw it as youngster. "Billy Jack". Good story, horrible acting!!! IT was great seeing Howard Hessman again as a teenage. :) |
| [08:25:38] | clever: | under linux, all drivers have access to the shared 1gig at the end of every process |
| [08:26:20] | clever: | i beleive the virtual memory from 3g to 4gig is shared between all processes, and only kernel space can read/write/exec it |
| [08:26:22] | wagnerrp: | Lexridge: i remember thinking the same thing about hudson hawk |
| [08:26:48] | Lexridge: | lol! I vaugly remember the title. |
| [08:27:15] | wagnerrp: | bruce willis discovers michaelangelo's secrets |
| [08:27:34] | Lexridge: | okay, right. ringing the bell man |
| [08:27:42] | wagnerrp: | with the help of his fellow singing cat burgler and seductive nun |
| [08:28:00] | Lexridge: | was it bad last time you saw it? |
| [08:28:23] | ** clever wonders off ** | |
| [08:28:30] | wagnerrp: | i seem to remember nothing about the movie, except enjoying it, when i was young |
| [08:28:41] | wagnerrp: | i saw it again a couple years ago, and it was HORRIBLE |
| [08:29:33] | Lexridge: | lol, same thing I thought about Star Wars, the original cut. Seeing it as an adult took the magic away. |
| [08:30:04] | Lexridge: | then lucus really ruined it with the edits. Ugh!!! |
| [08:30:54] | Lexridge: | The summer of '77 has two memories for me....Star Wars and Fleetwood Mac's Rumours LP. |
| [08:31:14] | Lexridge: | I was 12 year old that year. |
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| [08:32:06] | Lexridge: | and also the year the Leonard Skynard's plane crashed. |
| [08:33:50] | wagnerrp: | wow, he died in a plane crash? how ironic |
| [08:35:10] | Lexridge: | He? More like a "They" That was the band's name. Noone was actually named that. The lead singer died (a VanZant) but since I HATE Skynard, I cannot give any more details than that. |
| [08:35:51] | Lexridge: | I jsut remember it because the news broke while reading hte Star Wars novel, after seeing the movie. |
| [08:35:55] | wagnerrp: | well either way... freebird died in a plane crash |
| [08:36:09] | Lexridge: | freebird died long before that LOL |
| [08:36:53] | Lexridge: | that song and Eric Clapton's Cocaine both grate on my nerves. |
| [08:37:52] | Lexridge: | however, it's always great fun to scream "FREEBIRD" at a local band concert. They hate, and I understand perfectly, but fun nonetheless. |
| [08:38:56] | wagnerrp: | there was some sort of joke along those lines in one of the guitar heroes |
| [08:39:50] | Lexridge: | no doubt...it was even in the movie "Cars", a disney film |
| [08:41:07] | Lexridge: | g'nite fellows...er, good morning....shit, it's 3:40am. well past my bedtime. |
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| [08:43:09] | clever: | crap |
| [08:43:14] | clever: | 4:43 am here:P |
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| [09:15:33] | laga: | clever: go to bed ;) |
| [09:15:53] | clever: | i am in bed! |
| [09:16:41] | laga: | god, sometimes i'm jealous of your life style |
| [09:16:45] | laga: | +spelling |
| [09:17:02] | laga: | as in "jealous is probably not spelled correctly, but i just got up and blah" |
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| [12:35:43] | vinnie_: | Heres the deal.. Right now I have regular cable service through comcast, and I have a HiDef TV. My regular channels, are set to aspect ratio NORMAL. And I get some digital channels, and I have them set to WIDESCREEN. So when I watch a regular chanel it displays at 4:3 ratio, thats what I want it to do. |
| [12:37:06] | vinnie_: | And when I watch a digital channel, if the program is in HiDef, it automaticlay displays it in 16:9 ratio, and if the program isnt HiDef it displays it in 4:3 with the black bars on the side, which I like. My question is... What kind of tv card do I need to perform the Same way? |
| [12:38:16] | vinnie_: | I havent built a MythBox yet |
| [12:41:35] | vinnie_: | Or do i need to even worry about this functionality if I hook the computer to the vga port on my tv? |
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| [12:52:29] | vinnie_: | anyone here? |
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| [12:54:46] | dustybin: | "11:15, restate my assumptions: 1. Mathematics is the language of nature. 2. Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers. 3. If you graph these numbers, patterns emerge. Therefore: There are patterns everywhere in nature." |
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| [13:11:19] | GlemSom: | ffs – now my provider has decided to move the DVB channels around again...And I think they're even using a new transponder... Now I'll have to use hours to find my channels again... :( (My provider is among the 'broken' ones – who does not supply the correct transponder info and stuff on their steams...) :/ |
| [13:12:11] | GlemSom: | Maybe I should start thinking of trying to do this process automaticly... I guess bash scripts and ducktape can fix EVERYTHING! :P |
| [13:14:53] | vinnie_: | can anyone help me? |
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| [13:21:57] | dustybin: | how cool is this http://www.sq.ro/ |
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| [14:32:17] | Der_Thomas: | GlemSom, you ever try that script that goes through all of you channels and creates a screenshot of the ones that work? |
| [14:32:38] | Der_Thomas: | I've got a broken provider too but this script worked awesome |
| [14:33:23] | Der_Thomas: | GlemSom, when you scan, do you get a huge file with hundreds of channles, but most don't work? |
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| [14:43:39] | Piper69: | Good morning all |
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| [14:59:23] | GlemSom: | Der_Thomas, Well, I needed to force MythTV to use a specifik network ID – else I would only find channels at the first transponder |
| [15:00:20] | Der_Thomas: | GlemSom, hmm, sounds like a different problem then I had. I'm not even sure I know what that means... |
| [15:00:27] | GlemSom: | Der_Thomas, So, I guess it's not quite the same problem... But – what script are you talking about – that takes screenshots? |
| [15:01:25] | Der_Thomas: | GlemSom, well basically when I use (dvb)scan to create my channles.conf, I get 300+ channles none with names and all but 10 or so are not really channles |
| [15:01:59] | Der_Thomas: | this script takes your channels.comf and tries to tune each channel, then creates a screenshot of the channels that do tune |
| [15:02:19] | Der_Thomas: | then you can pare down your broken channels.conf to include just the channels that actually are something to watch |
| [15:02:34] | Der_Thomas: | I can try to dig it up if you want? |
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| [15:02:55] | GlemSom: | Sounds interesting! |
| [15:03:36] | GlemSom: | I have some channels that have odd channel names... Renaming them would be easier if I had a screenshot! :) |
| [15:03:59] | Der_Thomas: | the script is on this page: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB_search |
| [15:04:04] | GlemSom: | Though, according to the documentation – we should _NOT_ import the channels.conf file into MythTV (as of 0.21) |
| [15:05:04] | Der_Thomas: | GlemSom, yeah, I'll tell you that the import is broken, but scanning is broken too |
| [15:05:28] | Der_Thomas: | I used this article to get all of my channels: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Adding_D . . . _USA/Canada) |
| [15:05:45] | Der_Thomas: | I actually had to manually change the mysql db to get them all :~( |
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| [15:06:25] | Der_Thomas: | for some reason whether scanning in myth or ising a channels.conf several channels of mine would "UPDATE" each other |
| [15:07:03] | Der_Thomas: | what this means is they would OVERWRITE each other in my channel editor and I would only have 1 channel that actually tuned what ever the last channel it was that it found |
| [15:07:10] | GlemSom: | ohh.. I have to use w_scan to find all my channels... Which takes hours... http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Channel_tuni . . . n_with_DVB-C |
| [15:07:37] | GlemSom: | but in the end it seems to find it all... :) |
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| [15:07:52] | Der_Thomas: | it was strange as it was not all channels overwrritting all channles, but it was groups overwritting each other |
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| [15:08:28] | Der_Thomas: | well at elast it finds them all and you don't have to baby sit |
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| [15:39:03] | GreyFoxx: | OMG a lossless transcode of a firewire recording finished without error ..... |
| [15:41:46] | RDV_Linux: | GreyFoxx: Are using the 180.16 nvidia drivers now? |
| [15:41:55] | GreyFoxx: | yeah as of this morning |
| [15:42:12] | RDV_Linux: | I assume they are working well. |
| [15:42:40] | squish102: | anyone built a machine using hdmi? suggest a mobo to use? |
| [15:42:40] | GreyFoxx: | It worked for me before this version , but a couple of the videos I had tha were not playing are now working |
| [15:42:46] | GreyFoxx: | just a few files left that wont play |
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| [15:43:12] | GreyFoxx: | RDV_Linux: They are making excellent progress with it |
| [15:43:40] | RDV_Linux: | Sounds good. I am just waiting for a recording to finish then will update to the new driver and to the latest mythtv trunk release. |
| [15:44:29] | GlemSom: | I have one channel that MythTV will not find... (eve though I try importing my channels.conf file)... So, I'm wondering if I can take the data from channels.conf – and put it directly into the MySQL database? |
| [15:48:53] | GreyFoxx: | I'm stoked that my lossless transcodes of my firewire material are working again |
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| [15:59:21] | squish102: | if i have used something like dvdshrink to take my dvd's and put them on myhtv, they work fine, but vob's are in 1gig parts. Now i want to also put them on zune, and software i have only converts 1 vob at a time |
| [15:59:40] | squish102: | how do i get all the vob's back as one, and have dvd menues still working |
| [16:09:50] | wagnerrp: | AFAIK, you dont |
| [16:10:29] | wagnerrp: | VOBs are limited to 2GB, although common convention is 1GB |
| [16:11:24] | wagnerrp: | menus require some authored format, and i highly doubt the zune has support for any |
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| [16:12:04] | wagnerrp: | there supposedly is some built in menu support inside mp4 |
| [16:12:10] | wagnerrp: | but ive never done anything with that |
| [16:13:01] | aegis: | wagnerrp: If I wanted to boot the system I'm building in the Fusion case from CF, do you recommend any specific adaptors? An IDE-CF adaptor like these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . ;x=0&y=0 |
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| [16:15:45] | wagnerrp: | is this because you dont want the system to be reliant on anything else? |
| [16:16:26] | wagnerrp: | as far as im concerned, thats the only reason you would go CF over PXE/NFS |
| [16:18:19] | aegis: | I was trying to go the route of it not relying on another system... But you really think PXE is much better? I mean, this is going to be an HTPC/MythTV frontend so it really isn't going to be usable without the backend. |
| [16:18:42] | aegis: | So I guess I could go the PXE route... Is there any specific hardware I need for that? |
| [16:19:34] | aegis: | For $20 I could start with a CF system and transition to PXE once I get everything set up, right? |
| [16:19:48] | wagnerrp: | you could |
| [16:20:11] | wagnerrp: | but if youve already got things set up on a CF, there is minimal worth to transitioning |
| [16:22:35] | wagnerrp: | i was going to say $20 isnt going to get you much of a flash card ($10+ spent on the converter alone) |
| [16:22:50] | wagnerrp: | but 2GB isnt too bad for a system |
| [16:24:11] | wagnerrp: | i built my firewall on a considerably smaller 512MB card |
| [16:25:16] | wagnerrp: | well you may have a bit of struggle |
| [16:25:53] | wagnerrp: | my dedicated FE/BE is currently using 4.6GB for the OS |
| [16:27:38] | aegis: | wagner: would you go with the bracket based one? like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812186002 |
| [16:27:55] | aegis: | well, I wasn't including the actual card in the price of the setup. :) |
| [16:28:18] | aegis: | Can't you get 8GB CF now? |
| [16:29:12] | wagnerrp: | cheap ones start at ~25 |
| [16:29:48] | wagnerrp: | just do some research on PXE, its not at all a difficult thing to manage |
| [16:30:19] | aegis: | ok... I'll be back. |
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| [16:40:19] | aegis: | wagnerrp: that doesn't seem to difficult... it is using apache on the backend to communicate with the frontend, right? |
| [16:40:37] | wagnerrp: | absolutely not |
| [16:40:49] | aegis: | wagnerrp: and you just setup network boot in the bios as the top priority |
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| [16:41:09] | aegis: | http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/10/11/how-to . . . stallations/ |
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| [16:41:35] | wagnerrp: | dhcp tells the client where to find a boot image on a tftp, and subsequently what NFS partition to mount |
| [16:41:41] | wagnerrp: | has nothing to do with apache |
| [16:42:06] | wagnerrp: | using pxelinux is a bit easier/more-complex depending on your view |
| [16:42:49] | wagnerrp: | with pxelinux, all you do in dhcp is give it the pxelinux image |
| [16:42:58] | aegis: | okay... more reading for me... :) |
| [16:43:09] | wagnerrp: | pxelinux then grabs a predefined image off tftp and presents a menu |
| [16:43:42] | wagnerrp: | then grabs your kernel, initrd, or whatever else you want over tftp before handing over control |
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| [16:46:53] | aegis: | I think I'm understanding it now... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV/Install/Hardy/Diskless |
| [16:47:31] | aegis: | wagnerrp: I agree now... this pxe/nfs way will work out much better. |
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| [17:03:53] | hashbang: | heyas |
| [17:06:04] | aegis: | wagnerrp: do you have to use that menu on every boot? or just the first? |
| [17:10:37] | wagnerrp: | ever boot |
| [17:10:46] | wagnerrp: | you can adjust the timeout, mine are set to 3 seconds |
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| [17:14:52] | iamlindoro__: | jpabq, and for anyone else who's interested, I can confirm VC1 accel on IGP is fixed by the new 180.16 drivers |
| [17:15:40] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [17:15:56] | GreyFoxx: | and most of the videos I had that wouldn't play are working with the new ref frame stuff |
| [17:16:01] | iamlindoro__: | jpabq, The Dark Knight @ 7%ish on my 9300 :) |
| [17:16:07] | iamlindoro__: | GreyFoxx, Nice :) |
| [17:16:18] | GreyFoxx: | but I have a couple that play for 10 seconds an then go green screen |
| [17:16:22] | GreyFoxx: | we 2 |
| [17:16:25] | GreyFoxx: | well 2 |
| [17:16:30] | iamlindoro__: | GreyFoxx, Should have a fix for MythTube out this morning, I hope |
| [17:16:32] | GreyFoxx: | but most are workin |
| [17:16:36] | GreyFoxx: | cool :) |
| [17:17:03] | GreyFoxx: | notice working firewire transcodes now ? :) |
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| [17:17:24] | GreyFoxx: | I've done 3 this morning without any problems :) |
| [17:17:28] | iamlindoro__: | GreyFoxx, as of when? I know you had trouble since QT4 but mine have worked except certain channels |
| [17:17:56] | GreyFoxx: | I updated this morning, but I haven't tried any since before that last ffmpeg sync |
| [17:18:12] | iamlindoro__: | ahh, yeah. I don't think anything has changed for mine |
| [17:18:12] | GreyFoxx: | I saw jarod commited something that fixed firewire recording for xris |
| [17:18:27] | iamlindoro__: | Think that's only relevant to the new firewire stack used in fedora |
| [17:18:30] | GreyFoxx: | other than that nothing specificaly relevant |
| [17:18:45] | GreyFoxx: | but I'm just happen it's working now :) |
| [17:18:50] | iamlindoro__: | Congrats ;) |
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| [17:19:46] | iamlindoro__: | I want to go on record as HATING the getData – GetData setData – SetData change, btw |
| [17:19:59] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
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| [17:20:14] | elprespufferfish: | if I use firewire to record does it actually change the channel on the box? |
| [17:20:22] | iamlindoro__: | yes |
| [17:20:27] | ** GreyFoxx goes to boot his windows desktop via an AOE disk using pxe ** | |
| [17:21:13] | laga: | age of empires? |
| [17:21:35] | GreyFoxx: | ata over ethernet :) |
| [17:21:38] | laga: | ah |
| [17:22:01] | wagnerrp: | how did you manage that one? linux kernel operating as hypervisor? |
| [17:22:02] | GreyFoxx: | no drives in this machine. windows boots diskless and mounts the remote AOE "drive" as it's c: |
| [17:22:18] | GreyFoxx: | I've been doing it with vmware for a while |
| [17:22:50] | GreyFoxx: | wagnerrp: no, using gpxe/pxe. pxe loads gpxe, gpxe does all the heavy lifting |
| [17:23:00] | GreyFoxx: | it has AOE and iSCSI support right in it |
| [17:23:12] | GreyFoxx: | just took a couple DHCP options to pass at boottime |
| [17:23:28] | GreyFoxx: | no drives in this machine at all but windows things it's all local |
| [17:23:37] | wagnerrp: | well windows itself has iscsi support, but i dont know if that can be done at boot |
| [17:23:44] | GreyFoxx: | and funny... it's faster than before as it's leaving all the IO waits to the other macine |
| [17:24:04] | GreyFoxx: | using the gpl win aoe driver with gpxe it works great right a boot |
| [17:24:48] | wagnerrp: | i recently shifted all my network boot machines over to iscsi |
| [17:24:55] | GreyFoxx: | http://www.etherboot.org/wiki/sanboot/winnt_aoe |
| [17:25:00] | GreyFoxx: | that was helpful |
| [17:25:17] | wagnerrp: | although i had to set up a ramdisk to manage mounting before full boot |
| [17:25:21] | GreyFoxx: | aoe is a much lighter weight protocol and faster in all my testing |
| [17:25:26] | GreyFoxx: | but then it's not tcp based |
| [17:25:41] | GreyFoxx: | and the specs are 8 pages rather than the 253 for iscsi heh |
| [17:26:32] | wagnerrp: | well this was done under the expectation that a future incarnation of ZFS would support iscsi targets internally |
| [17:26:36] | GreyFoxx: | I've converted 2 of the tech's desktops at work without them knowing |
| [17:26:45] | GreyFoxx: | my boss wats to wait a month and see if they notice |
| [17:27:05] | wagnerrp: | however at the moment, i have to use some terminator adapted from netbsd |
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| [17:33:07] | wagnerrp: | you reflashed the existing boot rom? or just chainloading? |
| [17:34:01] | GreyFoxx: | chainload |
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| [17:34:19] | GreyFoxx: | pxe grants gpxe, which dhcp's again and gets the option of which AOE device to boot |
| [17:35:48] | jduggan: | how do you go about adding say a secondary D:\ disk drive in that environment, remotely? |
| [17:36:11] | GreyFoxx: | samba ? |
| [17:36:32] | GreyFoxx: | haven't had to look at anything more complicated than that |
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| [17:37:49] | GreyFoxx: | V:, X:, Y: and Z: are samba maps on all my machines here |
| [17:38:00] | wagnerrp: | so the windows iscsi/aoe initiators actually take over once the OS gets sufficiently loaded |
| [17:38:02] | GreyFoxx: | music, photos, video, and personal directory |
| [17:38:53] | GreyFoxx: | I believe so. gpxe gets it that far and lets the driver for the rest |
| [17:42:51] | jduggan: | oops, got dragged away on a phone call |
| [17:42:54] | jduggan: | yea i realise samba is possible |
| [17:42:55] | jduggan: | but |
| [17:43:08] | jduggan: | if you want to do it without colleagues or `users` knowing |
| [17:43:17] | jduggan: | you have to do it in a similar fashion |
| [17:43:18] | jduggan: | :o |
| [17:45:20] | GreyFoxx: | I imagine you can tell the windows driver to load another drive that way if you had to |
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| [18:06:06] | aegis: | wagner: do you like the amd 64 x2 Brisbane 5600+ 2.9Ghz for the backend server? |
| [18:07:28] | wagnerrp: | aegis: sure |
| [18:07:40] | aegis: | cool... thanks |
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| [18:08:52] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, the backend can be whatever crap hardware you want to throw in there |
| [18:09:08] | wagnerrp: | because it can be placed elsewhere, and you dont care how hot/loud it is |
| [18:09:23] | wagnerrp: | the frontend i the only thing where hardware purchase becomes complex |
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| [18:12:27] | aegis: | wagnerrp: the amd cpu's have such small caches... will that matter? I'm going with the Intel E8400 in the frontend... |
| [18:15:20] | directhex: | cache is largel irrelevant to media use |
| [18:15:31] | directhex: | FLOPs matter though, and AMD sucks on that front |
| [18:15:40] | wagnerrp: | check the Q1 2008 CPU benchmarks on tomshardware |
| [18:16:11] | aegis: | thanks |
| [18:16:15] | wagnerrp: | the difference between equivalent clock rates and 2x512KB vs. 2x1MB cache is <1% |
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| [18:16:42] | Dibblah: | Uhhh... The 5600+ is easily overkill for a 4 card digital backend. |
| [18:17:10] | wagnerrp: | absolutely not true |
| [18:17:24] | Dibblah: | What? |
| [18:17:26] | wagnerrp: | ideally, your backend could manage real-time commflags for all inputs |
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| [18:17:46] | Dibblah: | I have a 4000+ with 4 cards. |
| [18:17:57] | Dibblah: | Which does simultaneous commflags on all 4. |
| [18:18:05] | wagnerrp: | so while you could very easily get by with much less than a 5600, you can easily make work for it |
| [18:18:54] | Dibblah: | The only way you can 'make work for it' is transcoding. |
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| [18:19:50] | wagnerrp: | last time i checked, my backend was commflagging at ~30fps |
| [18:19:56] | wagnerrp: | 2GHz 939 |
| [18:20:11] | wagnerrp: | although that could have just been because it was following the recording in real time |
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| [18:23:39] | wagnerrp: | well i just queued one up, running at 60fps, but then its only using 20% cpu |
| [18:23:53] | wagnerrp: | so yeah, youre right, plenty of power on that chip |
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| [19:13:55] | hashbang: | Dibblah: does commflagging actually work for you? |
| [19:14:08] | hashbang: | Dibblah: I thought it couldn't cope with UK ad breaks |
| [19:24:14] | GlemSom: | How long should it usually take to have program data for all programs when using eit? I've waited about an hour now – and I still have no data at all for 3 of my channels... The rest look fine though... |
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| [19:31:13] | Dagmar: | GlemSom: Your provider probably isn't giving a complete run of EIT data |
| [19:31:33] | Dagmar: | ...as in you've likely gotten all the data you're going to get. |
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| [19:36:17] | GlemSom: | Dagmar, Well, the fact is that my provider moved a few channels around – so I decided to do a complete re-scan (Delete the "program" and "eit_cache" tables aswell)... Before that – i did have program info for those channels – and two of those channels are not even among those that have been moved... So it sounds a bit odd to me :/ |
| [19:37:21] | iamlindoro__: | GreyFoxx, So any improvements to MKVs and temporal distortion with 180.16? I only have two MKV files and only one had that problem |
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| [19:40:06] | Dibblah: | iamlindoro_ Are these possibly files with multiple audio streams? |
| [19:40:30] | Dibblah: | GlemSom: How did you scan for channels? |
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| [19:41:19] | Dibblah: | hashbang: I don't use commskipping, as it's unreliable, like you said. Commflagging is still enabled, for no good reason. |
| [19:41:42] | hashbang: | Dibblah: ah, gotcha. :-) |
| [19:42:02] | Dibblah: | It works perfectly on some channels... |
| [19:42:14] | Dibblah: | But I just don't use it because it's inconsistent. |
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| [19:59:33] | RDV_Linux: | Well finally got burned using alpha and beta software. I upgraded to nvidia 180.16 with trunk mythtv and vdpau enabled. While trying out fast forward in a mkv vdpau'ed video with mythtv the machine locked up. CTRL-ALT-Bspce or CTRL+ALT+Del would not get control back. |
| [19:59:54] | RDV_Linux: | Now the pc will not reboot, getting stuck in POST. |
| [20:01:15] | RDV_Linux: | I have seen this about three months ago nothing to do with nvidia or myth. It took three days to get the system running again. Something to do with static and the motherboard. Oh well. |
| [20:02:04] | RDV_Linux: | Last time I was going to RMA the MOBO. |
| [20:03:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | RDV_Linux: I had a PC that would not POST if the display was connected via DVI with a generic ProVista 18" LCD... |
| [20:03:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | RDV_Linux: But if I un-plugged the monitor, it did POST andd continue the boot process... go figure... I had to run the LCD in analog... |
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| [20:05:00] | RDV_Linux: | I read on the web that ASUS Rampage MOBO's have this static problem and you need to wait until the charge is gone and then everything works again. What I read was exactly what I experienced. |
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| [20:07:26] | RDV_Linux: | I had successfully reboot only 10 minutes before after installing the new nvidia driver. I sure hope this time it takes less than 3 days as I use myth now for recording tv. |
| [20:09:24] | RDV_Linux: | The geek moto is "If it works you have not tweaked it enough". I am live proof. |
| [20:10:08] | aegis: | Any of you have any experience with the Sony 42" 1080p Bravia LCD ??? |
| [20:10:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | RDV_Linux: Hehe... ;-) Yeah, I fall into that category too... ;-) |
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| [20:14:31] | Dagmar: | RDV_Linux: You know static drains out in well under a second, right? |
| [20:14:49] | Dagmar: | ...and let's be honest, if static can build up inside your computer, you've already broken it |
| [20:15:27] | Dagmar: | Whoever's stuff you were reading there, allow me to suggest you add them to whatever bogon filter the forum or mail client supports. |
| [20:16:22] | RDV_Linux: | Dagmar: I am only going by what I read and my own experience seem to be the same. I agree with you that it does not make sense. |
| [20:16:36] | Dagmar: | Are you mounting the motherboard to the backplane with little wads of cashmere sweater, or possibly braded bits of cat hair? |
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| [20:17:05] | RDV_Linux: | lol ;-) |
| [20:17:05] | Dagmar: | There's plenty of ways the motherboard could be improperly shut down and wind up in a suspend mode instead. |
| [20:17:14] | Dagmar: | ...which is rather likely what's going on. |
| [20:17:22] | Dagmar: | i.e., look for a BIOS update |
| [20:17:41] | RDV_Linux: | Well only time and my own testing will tell. |
| [20:18:27] | RDV_Linux: | Updated BIOS last time and but by that time it was passing POST. |
| [20:18:28] | watto: | hey guys I got a quick question. Is there any way to get VDPAU working in version .21 or is it only working in .22? Also can you run a .22 frontend with a .21 backend? |
| [20:18:43] | RDV_Linux: | Only .22 |
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| [20:20:38] | watto: | so no .21 backend? |
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| [20:28:00] | GlemSom: | Dagmar, I just noticed... The channel I have EIT problems with – I had to do a full scan on that specific frequency... Else it wouln't pick it up.. I'm wondering if that has something to say... Sadly I cannot quite recall what the message was in mythtv-setup... But it was something like it did not match tsid... |
| [20:28:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | watto: nope. The major version must match – protocol changes. |
| [20:28:56] | Dagmar: | GlemSom: You can tell me these things, but I"m not going to care since I neither have nor want EIT scheduling data |
| [20:29:00] | watto: | J-e-f-f-A: ok thanks |
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| [20:30:17] | GlemSom: | Ohh, I'm really sorry Dagmar1 ... My message was meant for Dibblah |
| [20:31:01] | Dagmar: | No need to apologize, I'm just sayin'. I don't use EIT |
| [20:31:03] | Dagmar: | :) |
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| [20:53:25] | pepsiman: | my wife is getting annoyed with our Freeview DVR, so I'm thinking about building a mythtv box |
| [20:54:01] | pepsiman: | she doesn't want a "PC" in the lounge, so it needs to be small and quiet |
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| [20:55:01] | pepsiman: | any case ideas? |
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| [20:57:46] | Dagmar: | Antec NSK2480 |
| [20:58:20] | Dagmar: | Or, get a used/refurbbed CFF dell machine as a frontend-only box |
| [21:01:17] | pepsiman: | 44cm isn't small |
| [21:02:17] | Dagmar: | Too bad. Those are your options. |
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| [21:04:42] | pepsiman: | I was thinking of a shuttle kpc |
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| [21:08:23] | Der_Thomas: | hey, anyone around that can help me troubleshoot studdering with high def? |
| [21:09:22] | Dagmar: | Buy a faster CPU. |
| [21:09:28] | Der_Thomas: | I'm running a pretty lightweight FE, Athlon 3000+ and have a PCTV 800–1 in it |
| [21:09:41] | Der_Thomas: | that is a PCTV 800-i |
| [21:09:51] | Der_Thomas: | it is running as a slave BE too |
| [21:10:28] | Der_Thomas: | I get some 720p and 1080i streams from my cable co, |
| [21:10:54] | Der_Thomas: | the video plays fine with about a 50% CPU utilization, but when the OSD is on, it studders VERY badly |
| [21:11:20] | Der_Thomas: | the CPU is only at about 75 or 80% when the studdering is happening |
| [21:12:00] | Der_Thomas: | Dagmar, the CPU is only at about 75 or 80% when the studdering is happening, you still think that the CPU is just undersized, or could it be another bottlekneck? |
| [21:12:36] | Dagmar: | WEll, it's hardly likely that it would be disk or video bus bottlenecks. |
| [21:12:54] | jduggan: | could be poor x config, bad driver |
| [21:12:56] | Dagmar: | How many times have you seen "HD playback is very CPU intensive" before you believe it? |
| [21:12:59] | jduggan: | likely cpu |
| [21:13:01] | jduggan: | ;P |
| [21:13:59] | Dagmar: | It's a 1.8Ghz core |
| [21:14:01] | Der_Thomas: | understood, just thought that since I am not 100% CPU, and the video plays just fine just a problem when displaying the OSD that maybe I had a different problem |
| [21:14:30] | Dagmar: | We've been saying pretty steadily 2.2~2.4Ghz cire |
| [21:14:32] | Dagmar: | 's/cire/core/; |
| [21:15:46] | Der_Thomas: | Actually the 3000+ Barton 333 is running at 2167 MHz |
| [21:16:11] | Der_Thomas: | so I think that I'm pretty close to that spec |
| [21:16:43] | Dagmar: | You have a Barton? |
| [21:16:57] | Der_Thomas: | yeah |
| [21:17:22] | Dagmar: | So, is this a hand grenade or a horseshoe? |
| [21:18:06] | Der_Thomas: | don't know I guess, if you say that 2200MHz is the low end of what I need and I am at 2167MHz, sounds pretty close to me |
| [21:18:14] | Der_Thomas: | I really have no idea though |
| [21:18:23] | Der_Thomas: | that's why I'm here |
| [21:18:31] | Der_Thomas: | are there other things to look at? |
| [21:18:43] | Anduin: | osd fade make any difference? |
| [21:18:51] | Dagmar: | No, I said that 2.2~2.4Ghz is the low end |
| [21:18:58] | Dagmar: | 2.1Ghz is less than 2.2Ghz. |
| [21:19:01] | Dagmar: | Expect probelms. |
| [21:19:08] | Der_Thomas: | Dagmar, OK |
| [21:19:28] | Dagmar: | To be very specific, I tell people 2.4Ghz as a minimum |
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| [21:19:37] | Der_Thomas: | Anduin, no, it studders the whole time the OSD is on |
| [21:20:35] | Der_Thomas: | Dagmar, i see, so sounds like I'll just have to live with it, or upgrade |
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| [21:21:21] | Dagmar: | Give it nine more months and maybe driver accelleration will help |
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| [21:21:40] | Der_Thomas: | Could the Video card on the PCI bus also affect this? I'm running an nVidia 5200 that was GIVEN to me, but it is not AGP... |
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| [21:51:45] | pepsiman: | CPU requirements for SD, DVB-T, combined frontend&backend? |
| [21:51:59] | Dagmar: | OMGLOTS |
| [21:52:18] | Dagmar: | Feel free to read the wiki, or any documentation at all really. |
| [21:52:45] | pepsiman: | the docs say very little about dvb-t cpu requirements |
| [21:53:53] | pepsiman: | which are likely to be much lower than a backend that has to compress video |
| [21:57:31] | Dagmar: | Exactly. |
| [21:57:37] | Dagmar: | the CPU isn't doing much of anything there. |
| [21:59:00] | pepsiman: | so how slow can I go? |
| [22:00:16] | iamlindoro__: | Nothing warms the heart like "What is the absolute bare minimum under federal and state statute that I can run a myth box with, so long as it runs perfectly and in every way I expect it to" |
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| [22:02:15] | pheld: | depends on the encoding. Around 2.2–2.4Ghz should be able to handle the odd mpeg2 HD streams. The more common h.264 HD streams require 3GHz+ |
| [22:04:21] | pepsiman: | I won't have HD streams until 2011 |
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| [22:07:40] | pheld: | for SD I guess something equivalient to a P4 core @ 1GHz should work, and about half that it you've got a vcard with xvmc. |
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| [22:10:42] | Dagmar: | Actually, SD playback only requires about 550Mhz or so |
| [22:10:56] | Dagmar: | ...for MPEG. No major XvMC boost needed |
| [22:11:06] | Dagmar: | I've got a laptop I cna play SD on while it's on battery |
| [22:11:36] | Dagmar: | I would not exactly try to put both a backend and a frontend on that tho |
| [22:12:05] | pepsiman: | so a celeron 420 @ 1.6Ghz is fine |
| [22:12:47] | Dagmar: | for Sd playback that's more than fine |
| [22:13:59] | pheld: | XvMC still makes sense, especially for laptops. Saves battery by letting the CPU run even slower. For some reason the GeForce Go chips use less power when processing mpeg2 than the cpu does. |
| [22:15:17] | Dagmar: | That's because they have bits in them that are designed explicitly to do the kind of math that decoding video for playback entails. |
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| [22:15:32] | Dagmar: | The CPU is a general purpose number cruncher. |
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| [22:16:00] | Dagmar: | XvMC by itself doesn't do a whole lot unless the video card driver has support for accellerating it's function. |
| [22:16:14] | pheld: | True, but I still wouldn't expect such a big difference at speeds below 500MHz |
| [22:16:32] | Dagmar: | 500Mhz is pushing your luck is why |
| [22:16:58] | Dagmar: | When you've got hardware accellerating the XvMC decoding function, you're freeing up the majority of your CPU time |
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| [22:23:17] | eyp810_: | hey |
| [22:24:07] | GlemSom: | Just for the record... My problem regarding EIT channel data... It turns out mythtv-setup had thrown some wrong values for one transponder in the MySQL database (Might be because of my broken provider)... but – changing the values (including network ID) seems to make EIT work better now... :) |
| [22:24:08] | eyp810_: | eny one how can help me with HDTV ? |
| [22:24:52] | eyp810_: | nogle dansker? |
| [22:25:51] | GlemSom: | eyp810_, Yeap – there's some Danes here (well, one at least) :P |
| [22:26:35] | eyp810_: | ok kan du hjælpe med noget opsætning med HDTV i mythtv? |
| [22:27:16] | pheld: | eyp810_: what's your signal source (danish isn't appropriate for this #)? |
| [22:27:29] | GlemSom: | eyp810_, I've given you a private message |
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| [22:29:35] | eyp810_: | okay sorry for that, |
| [22:29:44] | eyp810_: | its DVB-C |
| [22:31:10] | eyp810_: | i can tune the channel but when the pictur i in slowmotion and now flow in the pictur |
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| [22:42:24] | CaptObviousman: | does anyone here have a KWorld 110 or 115? |
| [22:43:01] | hashbang: | pepsiman: My combined FE/BE with 3 physical DVB-T tuners recording SD used to be a Celeron 1.7GHz – was plenty. I only upgraded to make mytharchive go faster, and to have a bit of headroom for performing non-Myth tasks on it whilst recording. |
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| [22:44:30] | pepsiman: | hashbang: thanks |
| [22:44:56] | hashbang: | pepsiman: even now, it's only a P4 2.53GHz |
| [22:45:15] | hashbang: | pepsiman: I double up each of the tuners using multirec, too |
| [22:49:11] | Dagmar: | -all- Scientologists are morons. That is all. |
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| [23:11:01] | CaptObviousman: | yayyyyy freenode |
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| [23:15:10] | Spyro: | hey folks |
| [23:15:23] | Spyro: | anyone know a way to totally disable the mouse pointer in X ? |
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| [23:16:32] | hashbang: | Spyro: the pointer sprite, or the mouse? |
| [23:16:39] | Spyro: | the sprite |
| [23:16:40] | iamlindoro__: | If I were going to try, I'd probably try not defining the mouse in xorg.conf |
| [23:16:44] | Spyro: | its on top of my display |
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| [23:17:14] | CaptObviousman: | you can specify what mouse sprite to use to the hardware I believe, but I cannot recall where I read that, nor have I done it |
| [23:17:21] | ** CaptObviousman does some googling ** | |
| [23:17:43] | Dagmar: | Considering that pointers have been themable for about 5 years now this is trivial |
| [23:18:54] | hashbang: | http://forum.soft32.com/linux2/Howto-remove-c . . . ct54342.html |
| [23:19:03] | hashbang: | http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=disable+x+cu . . . Lyd&sa=2 |
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| [23:20:47] | Spyro: | hrm. |
| [23:21:03] | Dagmar: | googling are hard! |
| [23:21:04] | Spyro: | Im _sure_ I used to pass a flag on the commandline to do that but perhaps not |
| [23:21:06] | cheeps: | I cant get my lirc working, could someone with more skills look at my post at ubuntu forums, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6363463 |
| [23:21:16] | Spyro: | dagmar: dont be an arse (I already googled) |
| [23:21:30] | Dagmar: | Sure you did |
| [23:21:36] | Spyro: | actually yes |
| [23:21:48] | Spyro: | because long ago I did this and seemed to recall it was a command line option |
| [23:21:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | Dagmar: Check out http://letmegooglethatforyou.com <-- awesome site. ;-) |
| [23:21:56] | Spyro: | which I can no longer find, despite googling |
| [23:21:57] | Dagmar: | J-e-f-f-A: I agree |
| [23:22:15] | CaptObviousman: | it's his MO, informating yet prickily |
| [23:22:19] | Dagmar: | cheeps: How about you look into the very first error message... that it can't load the kernel module |
| [23:22:20] | GreyFoxx: | yeah greg, and in that particular one I can take care of the translation. That one will be simple enough :) |
| [23:22:22] | GreyFoxx: | oops |
| [23:22:53] | CaptObviousman: | informative. God where did my ability to type disappear to? |
| [23:23:00] | cheeps: | Dagmar: I have but it doesnt mean i can resolve it just like that |
| [23:23:12] | Spyro: | anyhow, it appears its not possible to use a commandline flag as I recalled (or at least, no-one else here knows one) |
| [23:23:15] | cheeps: | Dagmar: ive tried recompiling kernel modules, nothing works |
| [23:23:22] | Dagmar: | Which module |
| [23:23:27] | Spyro: | so perhaps my recollection is flawed |
| [23:23:35] | cheeps: | Dagmar: lirc_dev and lirc_i2c |
| [23:23:47] | Spyro: | but as I said, dont be an ass – I _did_ google. I just didnt find anything and so asked. |
| [23:23:50] | cheeps: | Dagmar: those should be the ones that are needed by my card |
| [23:24:25] | CaptObviousman: | beggars can't be choosers |
| [23:24:26] | Dagmar: | Spyro: How about you refrain from calling anyone an "ass" |
| [23:24:52] | Spyro: | well how about not telling people to google, perhaps try asking if they HAVE tried? |
| [23:25:24] | ** kormoc sighs ** | |
| [23:25:25] | kormoc: | guys... |
| [23:25:41] | kormoc: | Spyro, perhaps googling for "Transparent X11 cursor theme" or the like? |
| [23:25:52] | Dagmar: | Into the ignore list the pernicious newb goes |
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| [23:26:09] | pheld: | cheeps: is this remote type dev/input in hardware.conf? |
| [23:26:28] | Spyro: | LOL, love the assumption Dagmar... Im no newb, but was hoping someone had a better solution than an invisible cursor theme. |
| [23:26:39] | Dagmar: | "lircd-0.8.3pre1[633]: this device driver does not support the new LIRC interface" |
| [23:26:41] | Spyro: | kormoc: thanks – thats my 'last ditch' plan |
| [23:26:50] | Dagmar: | Dead. in. water. |
| [23:27:05] | pheld: | If so, beware clashes with HAL on recent distros. Need a rule to get HAL to stay off the device, otherwise it is grabbed with control passed to the X-server |
| [23:27:12] | kormoc: | Spyro, even without a mouse section in my config file, the cursor is still there, as other devices can use it |
| [23:27:31] | Spyro: | kormoc: yes, I know. I found that out the hard way |
| [23:27:38] | cheeps: | pheld: type? you mean the remote_device= line? yes, it points to /dev/input/event6 |
| [23:28:09] | pheld: | then check with lshal and see if you find the remote being controlled there |
| [23:28:23] | Spyro: | kormoc: I used to do work on kdrive a long time back and was remembering a commandline switch (posssibly remembering something that didnt actually exist) to hide the cursor, |
| [23:29:42] | kormoc: | Spyro, classically, transparent images were the answer, and I've never heard of another way |
| [23:29:46] | cheeps: | pheld: holy shit |
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| [23:29:59] | pheld: | cheeps: check e.g my post here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6176506#post6176506 |
| [23:30:02] | cheeps: | pheld: i tried manually assigning driver in lircd and it fucking works |
| [23:30:20] | cheeps: | pheld: -H devinput |
| [23:31:00] | cheeps: | ive been messing with this over 11 hours today, finally some results |
| [23:32:00] | pheld: | cheeps: does it really work, or is is just some keys being handled through the X-server. I.e does irw print anything useable ehn you press buttons? |
| [23:32:19] | Spyro: | kormoc: certainly looks that way |
| [23:32:20] | pheld: | s/ehn/when |
| [23:32:36] | Spyro: | kormoc: looks like my recollection is flawed. |
| [23:32:47] | cheeps: | pheld: yup, irw works like a charm, its wonderful |
| [23:32:51] | kormoc: | Spyro, there's a app called unclutter that seems to do that automatically when the cursor isn't moved in a time frame, but that eats cpu |
| [23:33:25] | cheeps: | pheld: although init.d script is still giving me that stupid kernel modules error |
| [23:33:31] | cheeps: | how annoying |
| [23:34:37] | pheld: | cheeps: you're probably among the lucky ones who have a remote with exceptions made in /usr/share/hal/fdi/preprobe/20thirdparty/lirc.fdi |
| [23:34:38] | Spyro: | kormoc: yeah I spotted unclutter during my googling |
| [23:35:29] | cheeps: | pheld: hmm, dont have that file |
| [23:36:05] | cheeps: | pheld: it seems i didnt even need the kernel modules, after using "LOAD_MODULES="false"" line in hardware.conf the script starts up and irw reads my input |
| [23:36:37] | cheeps: | all of this could have been avoided if the lirc package would have had the right hardware.conf for my remote. |
| [23:37:10] | pheld: | cheeps: look in dmesg. You'll probably find that the input-device is being enabled when the tuner-drivers are loaded |
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| [23:38:32] | cheeps: | pheld: this? "lirc_dev: IR Remote Control driver registered, major 61" |
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| [23:39:26] | Dagmar: | Umm... don't blame the package. |
| [23:39:27] | pheld: | lirc has its quirks. Package-installers also tend to overwrite the old config when upgrading (at least ubuntu), so keep copies of the files in /etc/lirc handy. |
| [23:41:34] | pheld: | cheeps: possibly, although one normally see the tuner referenced like this ex: "input: cx88 IR (Hauppauge WinTV-HVR400 as /class/input/input8" |
| [23:43:43] | cheeps: | pheld: hmm, /class/input/input* ? |
| [23:43:44] | pheld: | no mention of lirc there, and hardware.conf says: LOAD_MODULES="false" |
| [23:43:58] | Spyro: | meh. gone with the invisible cursor theme. works ok |
| [23:46:58] | pheld: | cheeps: yes. /class/input/input8 later translates to /dev/input/event8. |
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| [23:48:14] | cheeps: | pheld: ah, well for me its "/devices/virtual/input/input6" |
| [23:48:39] | pheld: | beware that input-device may swap order on reboot. |
| [23:49:00] | pheld: | you may need to refer to it by a rule instead. |
| [23:49:54] | Dagmar: | That's what HAL and udev events are for |
| [23:50:43] | cheeps: | yeah i know, i had set up a udev rule on my previous system |
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| [23:51:49] | pheld: | Dagmar: lirc doesn't work with HAL yet. As is HAL just tends to get in the way, unless you want the remote to work via X-events |
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| [23:51:57] | SpaceBass: | hey folks |
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| [23:52:14] | SpaceBass: | anyone ever seen a way to supliment mythrename with season and episode number? |
| [23:54:04] | Led-Hed: | I have a frontend that supports DVI Audio via a DVI->HDMI Cable, In windows XP I can get sound through the TV with the HDMI cable, but not in MiniMyth or Ubuntu. |
| [23:54:26] | Dagmar: | SpaceBass: If that information were actually in the data that comes from the listings service, sure, but it doesn't afaik., |
| [23:54:49] | SpaceBass: | Dagmar, yeah, I figured it'd require some kind of online db query |
| [23:54:54] | Led-Hed: | I think its because there is more than 1 Audio device, how can I find out what audio driver is loaded for each device |
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| [23:57:12] | pheld: | Led-Hed: think you will have a hard time finding linux-drivers to push sound through DVI or HDMI |
| [23:57:42] | Led-Hed: | its a nforce 7100 chipset, and a Realtek 883 sound card |
| [23:57:51] | Led-Hed: | drivers exist for both |
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