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| [00:03:32] | Dibblah: | janneg: Post on nvnews seems to say otherwise (by NV guy) |
| [00:04:13] | janneg: | Dibblah: wikipedia page says so too now, was edited yesterday |
| [00:04:26] | Dibblah: | http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=124458 |
| [00:05:39] | Dibblah: | wikipedia? |
| [00:05:46] | janneg: | 8400 gs cards with new chip (G98) allegdely have full VC1 bitstream decoding |
| [00:06:13] | janneg: | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nvi . . . id=257029142 |
| [00:08:42] | JoEMoMMa: | anyone had success connecting a directv receiver to a usb-to-serial connecter |
| [00:10:00] | Dibblah: | janneg: Thanks. Undoubtedly, I'll find out once this card gets supported :( |
| [00:10:05] | clever: | Dibblah: found more room that the hotel room is too smart:P |
| [00:10:35] | clever: | Dibblah: not only do the lights shut off after 30mins of no motion |
| [00:10:47] | Dibblah: | -ot? |
| [00:10:49] | clever: | if the patio door is open, the heater shuts off |
| [00:11:07] | Dibblah: | -ot and I don't care? |
| [00:11:11] | clever: | yeah it is a bit ot |
| [00:11:36] | clever: | i'll just go somewhere else |
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| [00:13:12] | janneg: | Dibblah: G98 based 8400 are confirmed to play VC1 http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=124497 |
| [00:14:00] | janneg: | s/play/accelerate/ |
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| [01:14:20] | iamlindoro__: | GreyFoxx, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5589 – Updated version w/ new UI uploaded |
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| [01:21:37] | mzb_d800: | are there any non-alpha characters I can prepend to a video filename so that a) the character is not visible in mythvideo gallery view, and b) so that _that_ file is before others in the list? |
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| [01:23:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro__: Ah, you've been "Tube"ing... ;-) |
| [01:24:08] | iamlindoro__: | J-e-f-f-A, Yar |
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| [01:24:28] | iamlindoro__: | J-e-f-f-A, That's half of it anyway |
| [01:24:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro__: hehe... ;-) |
| [01:24:57] | iamlindoro__: | J-e-f-f-A, RSS Podcast downloader looks something like this: http://www.fecitfacta.com/before_qt.png |
| [01:24:57] | Wagner: | pissed off the rest of the family earlier today |
| [01:25:06] | Wagner: | i updated mythtv last night, but forgot to update the plugins |
| [01:25:21] | Wagner: | so mythvideo just did nothing |
| [01:25:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | Wagner: I was gonna ask, "Updated Myth and something broke?" ;-) |
| [01:26:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro__: Ok, how come you had that feed highlighted instead of the 3rd one? |
| [01:27:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro__: Looks really nice BTW... 0.22 is going to be a great leap in 'wow factor" I think... |
| [01:27:14] | iamlindoro__: | J-e-f-f-A, My real feed selection had to be pruned for screenshot appropriateness reasons ;) |
| [01:27:39] | iamlindoro__: | J-e-f-f-A, Well, there's no guarantees that MythTube will make "official" status (although I would like it to) |
| [01:27:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro__: It's got my vote! ;-) |
| [01:28:42] | iamlindoro__: | J-e-f-f-A, Heh, I know a lot of the code is a bit rough (and my working on it certainly doesn't help that) but yeah, I hope so, time will tell |
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| [01:30:11] | iamlindoro__: | J-e-f-f-A, Have a few more search scripts underway, dunno if/when I'll ever get to finishing them |
| [01:31:34] | mzb_d800: | _and_ is it possible to have directories sorted _with_ videos, rather than having them first in the list? |
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| [01:32:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro__: Looks spiffy though. ;-) I like what I see! |
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| [01:47:31] | craftyguy: | What in the world would cause blocky livetv playback, and mythfrontend to spew "[mpeg2video @ 0x7f818f09acf0]invalid mb type in I Frame at 0 41" and "NVP: prebuffering pause" messages to console? |
| [01:47:50] | craftyguy: | besides tuner card, bad cable input, system overheating |
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| [01:50:52] | iamlindoro__: | The mpeg2video error messages are *only* bad/corrupt signal |
| [01:51:02] | iamlindoro__: | so pretty much the three things you mentioned |
| [01:51:26] | iamlindoro__: | It means some time between the broadcaster and your hard drive, the signal is getting corrupted, no other cause possible |
| [01:51:49] | iamlindoro__: | usually poor signal strength/bad noise |
| [01:51:56] | craftyguy: | iamlindoro, i've been battling this issue for months. i've had comcast come out and check my cable feed and verify it's as strong as anyone elses', i've carried my mythtv box to a friend's house on the other side of town who was not having any issues, and had issues |
| [01:52:33] | craftyguy: | i replaced the tuner card with a totally differnt model, it worked fine for a short while, and has been getting progressively worse again |
| [01:52:36] | iamlindoro__: | craftyguy, Have you tried taking your tuner card, putting it in another *linux* system, and capturing? |
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| [01:53:06] | mzb_d800: | hmm ... chars in brackets aren't used, and are sorted prior to normal files (mythvideo) |
| [01:53:10] | craftyguy: | i inserted a PCI slot fan and even pointed a box fan at the damn thing with the panel off, i'm positive it's not overheating |
| [01:53:39] | iamlindoro__: | Have you done what I asked you about? |
| [01:53:58] | iamlindoro__: | I would go out on a limb and guess you were slowly frying tuners |
| [01:54:09] | craftyguy: | iamlindoro, no i have not, i do not have another system with mythtv on it, but as i said, i had this problem, replaced the card, still have same problem after new card worked briefly (~1 month) |
| [01:54:25] | iamlindoro__: | craftyguy, ergo my explanation |
| [01:54:33] | craftyguy: | iamlindoro, how? from my coax connection or what? |
| [01:54:59] | iamlindoro__: | could be lots of things, overamped line, system heat, etc. |
| [01:55:05] | craftyguy: | that's kindof what i came up with as well, but i've checked heat, etc |
| [01:55:07] | mzb_d800: | un-earthed power point? |
| [01:55:12] | iamlindoro__: | Until you take the card and put it in another linux box and try to capture, you won't know |
| [01:55:32] | iamlindoro__: | But it's important that it be in another linux box with the same drivers |
| [01:55:41] | craftyguy: | man dropping $60 every 3 months on a new card is getting expensive :( |
| [01:56:18] | craftyguy: | yea unforunately i have neither the time or hardware to build up a brand new mythtv box to test that theory |
| [01:56:52] | craftyguy: | so would you mind explaining the 'overramped line' you mentioned? what causes that? how would i prevent it? |
| [01:57:21] | mzb_d800: | I had issues with a whole circuit being unearthed ... and getting ~20V tingles off the aerial |
| [01:57:27] | iamlindoro__: | excessive amplification on the line, pretty much what it sounds like |
| [01:57:45] | iamlindoro__: | and yeah, bad ground power surge, cheap amps, anything could do it |
| [01:57:46] | craftyguy: | mzb_d800: i live in an apartment, how could i check for that? |
| [01:58:06] | mzb_d800: | multimeter |
| [01:58:09] | craftyguy: | the coax is not being amped between my wall and the tuner |
| [01:58:33] | craftyguy: | mzb_d800: what would it show? |
| [01:58:53] | mzb_d800: | check if there is voltage difference between earth and (say) you sink |
| [01:59:01] | mzb_d800: | check aerial socket for the same |
| [01:59:21] | mzb_d800: | should be 0 (and continuous) |
| [01:59:57] | mzb_d800: | ps: if it is unearthed then it's also a safety issue ;) |
| [02:00:26] | craftyguy: | sorry, aerial = coax socket? |
| [02:02:18] | iamlindoro__: | aerial = antenna. But cable drops can have ground issues as well |
| [02:02:45] | craftyguy: | ah, this isn't OTA, it's cable |
| [02:03:04] | iamlindoro__: | " But cable drops can have ground issues as well" |
| [02:03:08] | craftyguy: | the ground on my coax cable isnt showing any voltage |
| [02:04:30] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: Do I have to do something to get the new menu? Or will that come after a search ? |
| [02:04:46] | iamlindoro__: | GreyFoxx, Just select the youtube script, run a search |
| [02:05:02] | iamlindoro__: | GreyFoxx, Should be empty to start |
| [02:05:13] | GreyFoxx: | "miroguide.py" sound right ? |
| [02:05:21] | iamlindoro__: | no, youtube.pl |
| [02:05:32] | iamlindoro__: | highlight that box and press down |
| [02:05:58] | craftyguy: | iamlindoro, some of those surge protectors accommodate coax connections, you think that would help in preventing future tuners from frying (if that's the cause) |
| [02:06:12] | GreyFoxx: | Nice |
| [02:06:28] | iamlindoro__: | craftyguy, couldn't hurt, but I'd only be guessing one way or another, I'm not there to investigate myself. I would advise trying it anyway |
| [02:06:42] | iamlindoro__: | GreyFoxx, Need to make sure to turn off VDPAU, remember |
| [02:06:50] | GreyFoxx: | yeah I forgot |
| [02:06:55] | GreyFoxx: | I imagine it's gonna freak out hehe |
| [02:07:04] | iamlindoro__: | it'll just blip out of playback, not a big deal |
| [02:07:05] | GreyFoxx: | too ba you can't pick VDPAU or not right from the playback menu |
| [02:07:09] | craftyguy: | ok i'll give it a shot, thanks. |
| [02:07:10] | iamlindoro__: | you can esc out of a download |
| [02:07:47] | iamlindoro__: | GreyFoxx, resulting MP4 files will be in ~/.mythtv/MythTube in case you care |
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| [02:08:10] | GreyFoxx: | After a successful download it will remain cached for me to play again later I assume ? |
| [02:08:15] | iamlindoro__: | yes |
| [02:08:38] | iamlindoro__: | well, it'll exist, I actually need to fix the "use cache if exists" bit tonight |
| [02:09:23] | GreyFoxx: | You should put the screenshots upwith the title like the Watch recordings screen. Thought I imagine you are planning that |
| [02:09:30] | iamlindoro__: | GreyFoxx, Yep |
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| [02:10:57] | ** GreyFoxx pops to Katy Perry off youtube ** | |
| [02:11:14] | ** iamlindoro__ youtubes who katy perry is ** | |
| [02:11:35] | iamlindoro__: | Ahhh, her |
| [02:11:53] | ** jams wonders if that couldn't have been phrased better ** | |
| [02:11:56] | GreyFoxx: | Hot N Cold and I kissed a girl are fun songs :) |
| [02:12:03] | GreyFoxx: | jams hehe |
| [02:12:41] | iamlindoro__: | GreyFoxx, anyway, it more or less works as advertised, even though there are some rough edges |
| [02:13:01] | iamlindoro__: | from the top MythTube menu, press M to add an RSS feed if you are so inclined, including a searchable guide |
| [02:13:03] | GreyFoxx: | How does one get at the higher quality streams ? |
| [02:13:10] | GreyFoxx: | I saw you mention them :) |
| [02:13:13] | iamlindoro__: | GreyFoxx, It will download them when available |
| [02:13:18] | GreyFoxx: | gotcha |
| [02:13:26] | jams: | GreyFoxx- you might like this video http://www.kontraband.com/videos/13014/I-Kissed-A-Girl/#show |
| [02:14:25] | GreyFoxx: | maybe it's time the Internal player could play a http stream directly to play while it's coming in |
| [02:14:39] | iamlindoro__: | Yes, that would be nice |
| [02:14:55] | iamlindoro__: | I'll make the mythweb mods if you made the player mods ;) |
| [02:14:58] | iamlindoro__: | er mythtube |
| [02:15:05] | jams: | i don't know why that kid is in a shopping cart |
| [02:16:32] | GreyFoxx: | heheh cause he could be |
| [02:17:00] | jams: | he certainly makes the video |
| [02:17:45] | jams: | normally i don't buy into these types videos, but that one is pretty good. Also "cooking by the book" is awesome. |
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| [02:22:34] | mofu: | any with HDHomeRun having issues with "Recording Unavailable" |
| [02:23:06] | mofu: | not all the HD show, but it will randomly miss |
| [02:23:42] | ** tjcarter ponders ** | |
| [02:23:55] | tjcarter: | That's dangerous, you know. |
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| [02:25:08] | tjcarter: | mofu: recording unavailable sounds like Myth not HDHomeRun |
| [02:25:32] | tjcarter: | since HDHomeRun doesn't save stuff, it just streams it |
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| [02:26:19] | ** GreyFoxx puts on star wars kid for his daughter ** | |
| [02:26:27] | mofu: | The program shows up on the recorded programs list, but unavailable. Wondering if its a lock problem, |
| [02:28:06] | ** tjcarter is having trouble making a decision.. Helpful if some console gaming nerd (like nerdy enough to know about XCM toys) is willing to explain stuff. ** | |
| [02:28:09] | mofu: | like the hdhomerun doesn't respond correctly to the tune command from myth |
| [02:28:15] | tjcarter: | When it comes to this kind of thing, I'm a n00b. |
| [02:30:26] | iamlindoro__: | mofu, Generally the reason you would end up with random broken recordings would be if channels got moved about slightly or re-engineered-- both very common occurrences |
| [02:31:17] | mofu: | No that's not the issue, it will miss 1 out of 4 shows on the same channel in the same evening. |
| [02:31:43] | tjcarter: | also possible if you have something funny going on with storage groups or something |
| [02:31:59] | mofu: | I don't use storage groups wither |
| [02:32:03] | mofu: | either. |
| [02:32:14] | tjcarter: | I had all of my recordings become unavailable when the md driver shat itself |
| [02:32:15] | mofu: | just one directory |
| [02:32:43] | tjcarter: | Is it possible that you're scheduling too many things at once? |
| [02:32:47] | tjcarter: | that shouldn't be possible |
| [02:32:49] | tjcarter: | but it might be |
| [02:33:22] | mofu: | I have enough tuners, no conflicts, but sometimes the back is quite busy |
| [02:34:33] | mofu: | when you have a conflict Myth doesn't act like it tried to record the show and put it on the Recorded List. |
| [02:34:53] | tjcarter: | yeah |
| [02:34:59] | tjcarter: | that's why I'm thinking Myth's the problem |
| [02:35:12] | tjcarter: | because the file would be available if Myth recorded it |
| [02:35:32] | mofu: | yeah, I think there is an error state with the HDHR that its not handling well. |
| [02:35:35] | tjcarter: | and the record shouldn't be available unless Myth did. |
| [02:35:56] | tjcarter: | well, and Myth is handling worse ;) |
| [02:36:13] | mofu: | I think it generates an empty file no stream |
| [02:59:04] | mofu: | I upgraded the firmware, we'll see if that makes any difference |
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| [03:27:25] | Wagner: | what is 'tvmyth'? |
| [03:27:42] | burlitsa: | mythtv* |
| [03:28:22] | Wagner: | mythtv is not something that can just be installed |
| [03:28:29] | Wagner: | read through the manual on the wiki page |
| [03:28:49] | Wagner: | chances are that the reason you cannot log onto the database, is because your database is not running |
| [03:29:14] | Wagner: | or if not that, you at least have not set up the tables and authorization |
| [03:29:35] | Wagner: | the manual on the wiki walks you through what you need to do to get mythtv working |
| [03:32:49] | burlitsa: | ok thnx i 'll try again!! |
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| [03:57:38] | Lexridge: | Is there anyway to configure Mythtv's internal DVD player? I've spent about 5 hrs trying to replace it with mplayer, but cannot 5.1, so I'm back to internal with 5.1 but slightly wrong aspect ratios. |
| [03:57:57] | xris: | Lexridge: W should change aspect ratio |
| [03:59:33] | Lexridge: | w changes the zoom. The problem is, I have a 16:10 monitor at 1920x1200, so what looks normal in VLC or mplayer is slightly horzontally stretched by 120 pixels. |
| [03:59:48] | Lexridge: | in internal mythtv player. |
| [04:00:45] | Wagner: | rather... vertically stretched |
| [04:00:50] | Lexridge: | the aspect options in the internal player are 4:3, 16:9 and 14:9. |
| [04:01:03] | Lexridge: | yes, vertically stretched. |
| [04:01:15] | Lexridge: | 14:9 and 16:9 look exactly the same |
| [04:01:21] | Wagner: | reconfigure the tv setup wizard to ignore the top and bottom 60 pixels |
| [04:01:33] | Lexridge: | I'll try that. |
| [04:02:30] | iamlindoro__: | or, alternately, horizontally stretch it a bit *past* your monitor edges horizontally |
| [04:02:38] | Lexridge: | humm, it lets me crop from the top down, but not equally from top and bottom. |
| [04:02:58] | Lexridge: | would that not screw up the mythtv frontend display as well? |
| [04:03:00] | Wagner: | hit enter, and it goes to the opposite corner |
| [04:03:06] | Lexridge: | okay |
| [04:03:20] | iamlindoro__: | Themes are mostly overscan safe, shouldn't lose much |
| [04:03:44] | iamlindoro__: | upshot of stretching it past the edges is you will have all your pixels lit up |
| [04:04:00] | iamlindoro__: | downsid is you would lose a tiny bit of picture at the edges |
| [04:04:49] | iamlindoro__: | other option is to set video playback to scale one direction down by x percent |
| [04:04:55] | Wagner: | better for 4:3 content, worse for anything widescreen |
| [04:05:30] | iamlindoro__: | TV Settings->Playback, page 2 |
| [04:05:43] | iamlindoro__: | Counter-compensate with vertical scaling |
| [04:06:06] | aegis: | Has anyone built a backend recently? What is a good tuner card to get? |
| [04:06:12] | Lexridge: | I used tape to mark where the video top/bottom is in VLC which is correct in aspect. After adjusting the top down 60 px and hte bottom up 60px, it didn't do as expected. |
| [04:06:20] | Wagner: | what do you want to record? |
| [04:06:21] | aegis: | I'd like one that can do HD |
| [04:06:46] | ** iamlindoro__ is tempted to tell him to buy some tuner totally incompatible with his region to teach a lesson about asking specific questions ** | |
| [04:06:47] | Lexridge: | the bottom is now about 60px above the tape marker, and the top is about 60px above the tape marker. Strange! |
| [04:06:48] | Wagner: | what specifically do you want to record? |
| [04:06:49] | aegis: | HD from Fios as well at OTA |
| [04:07:05] | aegis: | I was looking at Hauppauge |
| [04:07:14] | Wagner: | HD over verizon probably has to be captured analog, meaning HDPVR |
| [04:07:37] | iamlindoro__: | also meaning only the development version of myth, compiling from source, etc. |
| [04:07:59] | aegis: | wagner: yeah, I think you are correct... they only allow the first 49 channels I believe... |
| [04:08:03] | iamlindoro__: | not to mention the requirement to religiously follow the dev and commit lists if you do so |
| [04:08:59] | aegis: | wagner: but if you put the backend between the STB and the TV, you might be able to record other content from Fios. |
| [04:09:15] | Wagner: | aegis: thats the idea |
| [04:10:09] | aegis: | wagner: but then is the server any good to other frontends besides the one you are watching? |
| [04:10:34] | Wagner: | one input can facilitate one session of livetv |
| [04:10:56] | Wagner: | one recording can be fed to however many frontends your disk and network can support |
| [04:11:34] | aegis: | oh, great point... |
| [04:12:45] | aegis: | wagner: so I should look for hauppage HPDVR tuner cards? |
| [04:13:01] | Wagner: | no, the hdpvr is neither a tuner nor a card |
| [04:14:06] | aegis: | Hmmm... It's USB... |
| [04:14:17] | Wagner: | and its analog capture, not a tuner |
| [04:14:53] | aegis: | Hmmm... so why would I want/need a tuner card? for Digital OTA? |
| [04:15:25] | Wagner: | ATSC (broadcast) and clearQAM (unencrypted digital cable) can be received by a tuner card |
| [04:17:46] | aegis: | So I could get a tuner card and get OTA as well as the first 49 channels from Fios (they are digital unencrypted)... Hmmmm.... I'll have to do more research. |
| [04:18:14] | Wagner: | are they unencrypted? can you tune them with your tv without using a STB? |
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| [04:19:12] | aegis: | yes |
| [04:20:28] | aegis: | I haven't read alot of people using the HDPVR... I guess the IR Blaster actually changes the STB channels for recording. I thought that you could use firewire to control the HD STB's... |
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| [04:21:11] | iamlindoro__: | HD-PVRs IR blaster does nothing whatsoever in linux ATM |
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| [04:21:29] | iamlindoro__: | so you'd need to either set up firewire channel changing if it works on your provider, or a third party IR blaster |
| [04:21:56] | aegis: | gotcha... thanks... |
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| [04:26:13] | Lexridge: | I finally got the screen wizard to work. I had to move my upper icons down, as there were showing above the DVD playback, and set the background to black, but looks great now. thanks |
| [04:32:24] | Lexridge: | the downside is 4:3 videos are black boxed all the way around. Ugh! |
| [04:34:09] | aegis: | Do you guys know of any problems with the Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-2250 Media Center Kit Dual TV Tuner 1213 PCI-Express? |
| [04:34:36] | iamlindoro__: | aside from having no linux driver? |
| [04:34:40] | iamlindoro__: | Nope, no other problems |
| [04:34:54] | aegis: | no linux driver is sucky |
| [04:35:22] | aegis: | that card seems to do everything I want though... |
| [04:35:34] | aegis: | (other than run on linux, apparently) |
| [04:36:10] | iamlindoro__: | It's a great card, and the driver is coming, just not here yet |
| [04:36:57] | aegis: | what is the highest one that works with linux? the WinTV-HVR-1800? |
| [04:37:14] | Wagner: | correct |
| [04:37:23] | Wagner: | however the 1800 does not work with mythtv |
| [04:37:31] | Wagner: | so you have the 1600 and the 1250 |
| [04:37:39] | Wagner: | the 1600 supposedly has some driver issues |
| [04:37:42] | Wagner: | and is PCI |
| [04:37:51] | Wagner: | the 1250 has no analog encoder, just a framegrabber |
| [04:38:52] | clever: | though if you have the cpu to decode hd, then framegrabbing might not be a problem |
| [04:39:14] | Wagner: | framegrabbing has more issues than just pulling CPU |
| [04:39:21] | clever: | even if its a ugly method |
| [04:39:22] | aegis: | hmmm.... wow... |
| [04:39:30] | clever: | Wagner: what other problems? |
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| [04:39:55] | Lexridge: | I have a 1600 that works pretty well. |
| [04:39:56] | Wagner: | you have to deal with finicky audio capture |
| [04:39:58] | aegis: | I was told Hauppage made the best kit... |
| [04:40:02] | clever: | Wagner: ahhh yes |
| [04:40:11] | Wagner: | you use a MASSIVE amount of bus bandwidth |
| [04:40:12] | iamlindoro__: | clever, Limited codec and container choices? Dodgy support in my on many cards? need to use sound card in many cases? Audio sync issues? |
| [04:40:16] | clever: | the audio capture on the box i use for framegrabbing is horid |
| [04:40:18] | iamlindoro__: | er in myth |
| [04:40:20] | Wagner: | youre stuck with nuvs |
| [04:40:24] | Anusien: | What do uri-mismatch errors mean on mythweb? I'm trying to stream music. |
| [04:40:30] | Piper69: | when i run mythtv-setup and at the end it say that it can not connect and to make sure the i set the ip |
| [04:40:33] | Piper69: | please help |
| [04:40:43] | clever: | Wagner: im allready stuck with nuv's with all the mythtranscoding im doing |
| [04:41:01] | aegis: | lexridge: you have no problems with the 1600? |
| [04:41:07] | clever: | it took several hours of trial&error to get my sound card to even capture |
| [04:41:27] | clever: | it has to be in loopback mode to capture |
| [04:41:28] | Lexridge: | none that have jumped out at me at least. Plus I know other people using the 1600 with no apparently issues as well. |
| [04:41:36] | clever: | which means the yndelayed audio spews out the speakers |
| [04:41:43] | clever: | undelayed* |
| [04:41:58] | clever: | it doesnt make any sense why it has to be like that |
| [04:42:44] | aegis: | lexridge: what are you recording/viewing with it and are you using Fios? |
| [04:43:52] | Lexridge: | I have standard cable hooked up to the RF input, and my Dish receiver connected to hte SVideo/audio inputs. I also have an outdoor antenna on the ATSC input, but no stations are yet hi powered enough for me to pick up in this area. |
| [04:44:26] | Lexridge: | what is Fios? |
| [04:44:37] | aegis: | it's Verizon's service |
| [04:44:45] | Lexridge: | no, I am not using that. |
| [04:45:07] | Lexridge: | what kind of feed do you end up with using Fios? Coax? HDMI, etc |
| [04:45:13] | aegis: | Hmmmm, so if you were just using cable you wouldn't need the svideo/audio inputs right? |
| [04:45:19] | aegis: | Coax |
| [04:45:47] | Lexridge: | correct. Plus you may be able to use the ATSC input to pick up QAM signals if Fios has them. |
| [04:46:00] | aegis: | actually, I'm using svideo from the setup box |
| [04:46:03] | aegis: | and component audio |
| [04:46:33] | Lexridge: | so you don't have coax RF? |
| [04:46:37] | aegis: | Fios does have some qam unencrypted channels... basically all the OTA |
| [04:46:59] | aegis: | coax goes to the STB |
| [04:47:31] | Lexridge: | okay, you may be able to split the coax twice, and run into the both the RF and ATSC of the 1600 and it may work. Dunno for sure. Anyone care to chime in here? |
| [04:47:33] | aegis: | so I assume I could go coax to the 1600, and get 40 channels or so |
| [04:47:43] | Lexridge: | I'd assume that is correct |
| [04:48:46] | Lexridge: | I have picked up QAM on my cable, but only audio stations, as they offer no HD services yet |
| [04:49:50] | aegis: | lexridge: so for a backend, I really don't need the kit with the remote |
| [04:50:00] | aegis: | for the 1600 |
| [04:50:16] | Lexridge: | I think the 1600 comes with a remote by default, but I don't use mine |
| [04:50:48] | aegis: | yeah, my bad... the 1800 had it as an option |
| [04:51:57] | Lexridge: | I'd like to use the remote eventually, but my setup would be complex, and I have not the time yet. |
| [04:56:08] | aegis: | Lexridge: So you can't do HD or can you with the 1600? You specifically need an HD PVR according to Wagner... |
| [04:56:33] | Lexridge: | you can receive QAM and ATSC HD with the 1600 |
| [04:56:34] | Anusien: | I think authentication was my problem on my mythtv server (streaming audio) so I temporarily disabled it; now things will happily load the stream but there's no sound. WIndows Media Player complains of a codec issue. |
| [04:56:52] | Wagner: | the 1600 will do digital HD just fine |
| [04:56:59] | Wagner: | but you need an HDPVR if you want analog HD |
| [04:57:01] | aegis: | oh cool... I think I just misunderstood. |
| [05:02:03] | aegis: | did you guys all subscribe to the scheduledirect? |
| [05:02:09] | aegis: | is that the only option now? |
| [05:02:47] | Wagner: | thats certainly not the only option if youre a masochist |
| [05:03:48] | aegis: | wagner: are you referring to scraping??? |
| [05:03:56] | Wagner: | scraping and EIT |
| [05:04:07] | Wagner: | EIT is rather limited in the US |
| [05:04:13] | Wagner: | youre lucky to get more than a day or so |
| [05:04:38] | Wagner: | and scraping can work very well, until your provider decides to make the ever so slight change to their website |
| [05:05:12] | aegis: | for $12 or so, it hardly seems worth the hassle |
| [05:05:20] | Wagner: | $20/yr |
| [05:06:23] | Anusien: | What do the permissions for the music files have to be for mythmusic to play them? |
| [05:06:34] | Wagner: | anything that allows mythtv read access |
| [05:06:36] | aegis: | ahh... so $1.60 a month |
| [05:07:54] | Anusien: | /var/lib/mythtv/music is 775 owned by mythtv/mythtv and so are the files within |
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| [05:08:28] | Lexridge: | aegis: schedulesdirect is worth every penny!!!!!!!! Don't go without it. |
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| [05:11:52] | Anusien: | Does mythbackend ever refresh the music library, or do you have to do that manually? |
| [05:12:01] | clever: | im even using schedulesdirect+freeguide(java program) to get custom guides when in a hotel |
| [05:12:30] | Lexridge: | Anusien: I believe you have to do it manually. It's not like Amarok. |
| [05:12:37] | Anusien: | *groan* |
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| [05:12:48] | Anusien: | Well I think I found the reason MythWeb hasn't been successfully streaming my audio |
| [05:13:00] | Lexridge: | Anusien: that, hopefully that will be addressed in trunk |
| [05:13:13] | Anusien: | I'm so used to the UPnP server that refreshes the video library |
| [05:13:20] | aegis: | Lexridge: roger that... will do. |
| [05:13:41] | Anusien: | I moved the audio files so I could see them on a Samba share (they were in a /home/user directory which made things awkward for the future), and never refreshed the database |
| [05:15:42] | Wagner: | works out to less than the schedule with the sunday paper |
| [05:17:02] | Lexridge: | that's amazing! |
| [05:17:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | Anusien: Actually, 0.21-fixes refreshes every 30 mins or half hour IIRC... (the UPNP list) |
| [05:17:39] | Wagner: | well it was originally $15/qr, but they got enough subscribers to get a better volume discount |
| [05:18:01] | Wagner: | J-e-f-f-A: thats the upnp list, completely independent of the list mythmusic maintains |
| [05:18:18] | Lexridge: | My buddy just started using mythtv this week, and was very reluctant to subscribe. Once he got his free 7 day account, he subscribed immediatly! |
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| [05:18:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | Woops, that's what I get for not reading the previous comments to put it in context... ;-) |
| [05:19:37] | Anusien: | *peer* So I did a refresh music list... and it wiped out the list without adding anything else |
| [05:19:52] | Anusien: | Checked settings; music is in /var/lib/mythtv/music where the files actually reside |
| [05:20:18] | Lexridge: | It actually cost him $30 instead of the usual $20, because I bet him $10 he would subscribe once using the free account...lol! |
| [05:20:38] | Lexridge: | he has not paid me yet, however. :/ |
| [05:20:52] | Wagner: | you need to lay the smack down |
| [05:20:59] | Wagner: | bitch! pay me what you owe! |
| [05:21:08] | Anusien: | Another scan got the music working. So at least mythmusic works. |
| [05:21:34] | aegis: | anusien: I wonder if you can set up a cron job to do a manual scan every so often? |
| [05:21:36] | Lexridge: | lol, I will next time I see him...should be tomorrow nite. |
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| [05:22:49] | aegis: | I have my frontend pretty much picked out parts wise... any suggestions for a backend setup that will also be used as a file server? |
| [05:23:02] | Anusien: | A HA |
| [05:23:08] | Lexridge: | he plays the keyboard in our band, and we play tomorrow night. I'll just subtract the $10 from his pay lol |
| [05:23:10] | Anusien: | Turning off authentication allows it to work properly |
| [05:23:50] | Lexridge: | how's that for a "bitch slap"? |
| [05:24:11] | Wagner: | thats pretty weak actually |
| [05:24:20] | Anusien: | Am I understanding right that in current Mythweb AuthType Digest is discouraged? |
| [05:24:25] | Lexridge: | really? why? |
| [05:24:38] | Wagner: | its not violent |
| [05:24:41] | Lexridge: | lol |
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| [05:28:19] | aegis: | What do you guys think of the Gigabyte w/ Nvidia GeForce 9400 and an AMD Athlon 64 x2 6000+ for the front end? |
| [05:28:30] | Wagner: | sounds good |
| [05:28:38] | aegis: | awesome :) thanks |
| [05:28:59] | Wagner: | no real need for that kind of power in the frontend once this VDPAU stuff gets done though |
| [05:29:48] | aegis: | wagner: i'll keep waiting and waiting to do this though... lol |
| [05:30:00] | aegis: | wagner: so I'd like to start building |
| [05:30:06] | Wagner: | you can always run a job queue on the frontend to offload transcoding/commflagging tasks |
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| [05:30:58] | Wagner: | to be honest, the lowliest AM2 chip should have no problem handling anything you get over ATSC/QAM |
| [05:31:17] | Wagner: | while the best AMD has might not be sufficient for the highest bitrates out of the HDPVR |
| [05:32:29] | Wagner: | as long as you think you can cool that chip quietly, go for it |
| [05:35:24] | Lexridge: | what is the highest bitrate the hdpvr can do? |
| [05:35:30] | Lexridge: | oh, that right, the hdpvr is h264. |
| [05:36:39] | Wagner: | max average is 13.5mbps, max peak is 20.2mbps |
| [05:36:47] | Lexridge: | nice! |
| [05:37:28] | Lexridge: | does the hdpvr do 4:2:0 or 4:2:2? |
| [05:37:35] | aegis: | Does L1 or L2 cache matter much in the frontend? |
| [05:37:38] | Wagner: | i believe 4:2:0 |
| [05:38:21] | Lexridge: | does anything consumer do 4:2:2? I'm sure nothing can do 4:4:4. |
| [05:39:01] | Lexridge: | blu-ray may be 4:2:2 eh? |
| [05:39:39] | aegis: | The CPU I am looking at (AMD Athlong 64 x2 6000+) comes in two flavors... one is 89w with a small L2 cache, and the other is 125W with an L1 Cache and large L2 cache |
| [05:40:10] | Lexridge: | no, blu-ray does 4:2:0 |
| [05:41:01] | Wagner: | large cache helps with repetitive data sets |
| [05:41:07] | Wagner: | but video playback is stream processing |
| [05:41:26] | Wagner: | data goes in, data comes out never to be used again |
| [05:42:20] | Wagner: | while thats not entirely true, you really want enough cache to handle all uncompressed data from one I-frame to the next |
| [05:42:45] | Wagner: | but that may be on the order of several dozen MB, depending on your resolution and encoding |
| [05:43:24] | aegis: | First CPU has # L1 Cache: 128KB+128KB |
| [05:43:24] | aegis: | # L2 Cache: 2 x 1MB and is 125W / the other option CPU only has a L2 Cache: 1 MB and is 89 W.... |
| [05:44:02] | aegis: | I am leaning towards the lower watt.... |
| [05:44:06] | Wagner: | basically, neither is large enough to be useful |
| [05:44:13] | aegis: | hmmmm |
| [05:44:30] | Wagner: | and you should really look into one lower |
| [05:44:50] | Wagner: | thats a lot of power to try to dissipate in a SFF machine |
| [05:45:51] | aegis: | Well, the other optioon was the Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz 6MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor |
| [05:46:25] | aegis: | it's more than twice the price of the AMD though... |
| [05:46:58] | aegis: | You think that's a better route to go though? lower watt and high cache |
| [05:47:51] | aegis: | err, higher cache |
| [05:49:13] | Wagner: | personally, i would go for something like this... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103297 |
| [05:50:47] | aegis: | interesting... |
| [05:51:03] | aegis: | it was probably a decent price too |
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| [05:54:12] | Piper69: | when i run mythtv-setup and at the end it say that it can not connect to the master server and to make sure the i set the ip is set correct |
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| [06:04:01] | aegis: | have any of you had luck either using a network boot or compact flash on the frontend? |
| [06:04:06] | sphery: | Piper69: mythtv-setup says it can't connect to the master server? None of the servers should be running when you run mythtv-setup, so that shouldn't be an error. |
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| [06:04:24] | Wagner: | aegis: i have machines running both |
| [06:04:52] | Piper69: | sphery: can't connect to a master server is not an error |
| [06:05:12] | aegis: | wagner: How did you do the compact flash? Can you make that internal (I'm looking at the Antec NSK 2400 / Fusion case)? |
| [06:05:21] | Piper69: | sphery: how do i tested then |
| [06:05:44] | Wagner: | aegis: its not a mythtv box, but rather my firewall |
| [06:05:53] | Wagner: | the board has a CF slot |
| [06:06:43] | aegis: | aegis: cool... so you have to get a specific board with a CF slot... interesting... I suppose the front end woould only need a bare install |
| [06:06:55] | Piper69: | sphery: please help me |
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| [06:11:35] | Wagner: | aegis: you can get CF-IDE adapters |
| [06:11:54] | Wagner: | you can also get CF-SATA controllers |
| [06:12:18] | Wagner: | it can be fairly large if you get a sufficiently large CF card |
| [06:12:30] | Wagner: | but its probably much easier to just PXEboot the machine |
| [06:13:52] | aegis: | The Gigabyte mobo's I'm considering have both SATA and IDE controllers... I will have to research PCEboot... I'm not familiar |
| [06:14:11] | Wagner: | PXE is the mechanism for network booting |
| [06:14:32] | aegis: | can you use it with mythbuntu? or is it redhat specific? |
| [06:14:56] | Wagner: | its PXE specific |
| [06:16:25] | aegis: | lol... very confusing... I'm going to end up buying the wrong stuff. But I'll eventually get it to work. |
| [06:16:28] | Wagner: | unless of course your network card has an EEPROM with redhat built into it |
| [06:16:40] | Wagner: | burned, rather |
| [06:16:41] | aegis: | I don't want redhat |
| [06:17:20] | aegis: | i just want a silent as possible front end |
| [06:17:38] | aegis: | so I figured a network boot or cf boot would work |
| [06:17:38] | sphery: | Piper69: what's saying "can't connect to master server"? mythtv-setup (it shouldn't because nothing should be running when you run mythtv-setup). If you get that when you run mythfrontend, you need to make sure you're running mythbackend /before/ you start mythfrontend. If you are running mythbackend and you get it when you start mythfrontend, you specified the incorrect address(es) when you configured the backend(s). |
| [06:18:30] | Wagner: | pxeboot is pretty simple to manage |
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| [06:18:50] | Wagner: | i believe ubuntu has some facility to set up everything for you (besides some BIOS work) |
| [06:19:33] | Wagner: | of course that doesnt mean you shouldnt research on your own |
| [06:20:04] | Wagner: | someone was in here a couple months ago who didnt understand why his system was behaving as it was |
| [06:20:18] | Wagner: | he didnt understand one of the basic concepts of how the ubuntu implementation worked |
| [06:24:17] | aegis: | wagner: can you recommend any frontend and backend build lists? I feel like I'm going in circles... |
| [06:24:36] | Wagner: | have you ever built a computer before? |
| [06:24:43] | aegis: | well, the backend really isn't that important... but I want to build a front end using the Antec Fusion case |
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| [06:25:14] | aegis: | yeah... the backend really isn't anything special... other than the interface for the signal. |
| [06:26:06] | Wagner: | well the NSK-2480 (i believe) is basically the fusion at half price, minus the VFD panel |
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| [06:27:00] | aegis: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129029 |
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| [06:27:18] | aegis: | It has the LCD panel... |
| [06:27:34] | Wagner: | no, VFD |
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| [06:29:10] | aegis: | I can't even find what vfd stands for... |
| [06:29:23] | Wagner: | vacuum florescent |
| [06:29:24] | aegis: | visual something display? |
| [06:29:28] | aegis: | ahhh |
| [06:29:47] | aegis: | it also doesn't have the knob |
| [06:30:16] | Wagner: | well how often are you going to walk up to the TV and change the volume? |
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| [06:30:58] | aegis: | haha |
| [06:31:00] | aegis: | great point |
| [06:34:40] | aegis: | and people were actually having problems with the VFD anyway... so I could go with the 2480... |
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| [06:35:42] | aegis: | plus, it's less money... not half, but definitely less.... |
| [06:35:56] | Wagner: | yeah, the fusion has gone down in price considerably |
| [06:39:20] | aegis: | So am I missing anything off the top of your head? GIGABYTE GA-E7AUM-DS2H LGA 775 NVIDIA GeForce 9400 HDMI Micro ATX Intel Motherboard, Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80570E8400, Scythe Ninja Mini CPU heatsink, CORSAIR 2GB DDR2 PC6400 XMS2 XTREME (2X1GB), Antec NSK2480 case. |
| [06:39:45] | sphery: | iamlindoro__: code looks about right, but you probably need MythContext::GetConfDir() (though I'm sure the compiler will tell you that soon enough :). And, you may want to /try/ to make the dir when you need it if it doesn't exist (which you may be planning, but I couldn't tell from your help text :). |
| [06:39:54] | Wagner: | something for a remote |
| [06:40:05] | Wagner: | whether it be IR or wireless keyboard |
| [06:40:21] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, I will likely parrot whatever mythvideo does with the video dir |
| [06:40:24] | iamlindoro__: | (once I find it) |
| [06:40:24] | Wagner: | maybe some AS5, if you dont have any spare |
| [06:41:18] | aegis: | Newegg is offering a combo deal with the antec and the Anyware GV-IR01WT Windows Vista Infrared MCE White Learning Remote Control |
| [06:41:54] | aegis: | I think the other antec I was looking at came with a remote so I hadn't researched it much. |
| [06:42:50] | RyeBrye: | the micro atx 9400 boards are out now? |
| [06:43:01] | aegis: | AS5? is that cable? |
| [06:43:12] | Wagner: | arctic silver, thermal grease |
| [06:43:15] | RyeBrye: | arctic silver |
| [06:44:10] | aegis: | gotcha, thanks |
| [06:44:30] | aegis: | so I need a USB IR receiver with that case as well, right? |
| [06:44:59] | sphery: | iamlindoro__: default value used for recordings directory if no storage groups are defined is /mnt/store . Default artwork directory is MythContext::GetConfDir() + "/MythVideo". The default directory for MythVideo videos is DEFAULT_VIDEOSTARTUP_DIR defined at the bottom of ./mythvideo/mythvideo/globals.cpp (differs by platform). |
| [06:45:24] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, why do we keep flip flopping? ;) |
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| [06:47:55] | sphery: | iamlindoro__: No reason... Just figured I could be more verbose in here. |
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| [06:50:09] | aegis: | well, that's enough fun for me for one night... thanks for your help.... I'm gonna hit the rack. Talk to you guys later. |
| [06:51:06] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, Heh, floating point error when that directory doesn't exist, whups |
| [06:51:47] | sphery: | floating point error? Doing math on it? (like a GetNumSetting() typo?) |
| [06:52:12] | iamlindoro__: | well, maybe not a type so much as guessing at the syntax |
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| [06:53:51] | sphery: | You can use a QDir to check to see if a dir exists (and try to make it if it doesn't)... |
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| [07:26:46] | CaptObviousman: | so, any minefields I should be looking for in the svn .22 trunk? |
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| [07:26:57] | ** CaptObviousman is downloading and will be compiling QT4 forthwith ** | |
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| [07:33:09] | dustybin: | CaptObviousman: some of the minefields, you will find, are quite obvious.. |
| [07:40:20] | CaptObviousman: | clear as mud |
| [07:40:30] | CaptObviousman: | I don't suppose you could enlighten me, could you? |
| [07:41:06] | iamlindoro__: | Of course *he* can't, he's not even qualified to run myth let alone trunk |
| [07:41:51] | iamlindoro__: | CaptObviousman, It's nothing too terrible. Mythvideo is under major construction, and VDPAU requires a bit of special attention. It's mostly in fairly decent shape. Most of my little problems come from using other-than-core themes which are no longer completely compatible |
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| [07:42:27] | CaptObviousman: | vdpau, I don't recognize that |
| [07:42:40] | CaptObviousman: | mythvideo is the mplayer replacement? |
| [07:43:00] | iamlindoro__: | erm... no. You're not one of those people who thinks Myth uses mplayer to play back media, are you? |
| [07:43:13] | iamlindoro__: | anyway, back to work. |
| [07:43:18] | CaptObviousman: | no |
| [07:43:34] | iamlindoro__: | mythvideo is mythvideo, the plugin that's been around for years |
| [07:43:45] | CaptObviousman: | my understanding is that myth plays outside (non-live) video with a plugin |
| [07:43:57] | CaptObviousman: | ah, I'm thinking of mythplayer |
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| [08:01:10] | Wagner: | years ago, mythvideo used mplayer. now it uses the internal player |
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| [08:23:10] | mzb_d800: | when using "mythtv" from an external script, is it possible to use (for eg.) command line switches for things like aspect ratio/ |
| [08:23:19] | mzb_d800: | s/? |
| [08:23:23] | iamlindoro__: | nope |
| [08:23:44] | mzb_d800: | is there anyway of automating it, then? |
| [08:24:08] | iamlindoro__: | mythtv takes all the settings frm the frontend's playback settings, need to set them there |
| [08:24:08] | mzb_d800: | are there any command line switches available? |
| [08:24:13] | iamlindoro__: | nope, none |
| [08:24:16] | mzb_d800: | hmm |
| [08:24:57] | mzb_d800: | I'd just prefer to avoid pressing the "zoom" (?) button twice (for some videos) |
| [08:25:30] | mzb_d800: | ok ... another tack |
| [08:26:28] | mzb_d800: | is there a "nice" way of mythtranscoding & scaling (?) at the same time? ... ie for recordings originally transmitted in 16:9 to be transcoded (and clipped?) to 4:3 ?? |
| [08:26:41] | mzb_d800: | s/nice way/preferred method |
| [08:26:56] | iamlindoro__: | not with mythtranscode, you'd need to use mencoder or ffmpeg |
| [08:27:11] | mzb_d800: | got any magics handy? |
| [08:27:37] | iamlindoro__: | naw, I don't transcode, disk is too cheap |
| [08:27:43] | mzb_d800: | heh |
| [08:27:51] | mzb_d800: | yeah ... I'd like to think so |
| [08:28:11] | mzb_d800: | I'm particularly considering animated kids shows |
| [08:28:55] | mzb_d800: | up until now, the videos I've transcoded and put into mythvideo have all been 640x480@3000kb |
| [08:29:42] | mzb_d800: | now I'm discovering that (in particular) the animated kids shows look quite acceptable at 480x384@1800 |
| [08:30:05] | mzb_d800: | for a 50–60% reduction in size |
| [08:30:06] | mzb_d800: | but the issue with "zooming" still remains |
| [08:30:30] | mzb_d800: | (something I'd prefer to avoid ... for non-tech users;)) |
| [08:30:40] | mzb_d800: | ah well ... another time |
| [08:32:16] | mzb_d800: | I'm assuming I'll need mencoder. Does ffmpeg handle mp4 .nuv's ? |
| [08:33:04] | iamlindoro__: | ffmpeg is, in a certain sense, what's writing them in the first place :) |
| [08:33:15] | mzb_d800: | mythtranscode! |
| [08:33:26] | iamlindoro__: | (as the container and codec support in myth comes from libavformat and libavcodec, from ffmpeg) |
| [08:33:33] | mzb_d800: | ah ... sorry, thought I read a question ;) |
| [08:33:56] | mzb_d800: | ok thanks, I'll continue fiddling |
| [08:34:38] | mzb_d800: | hopefully the compression techniques will give me enough space to last the "customer paying" drought over Christmas ;) |
| [08:34:49] | mzb_d800: | (hence the lack of *planned* drives) |
| [08:35:13] | mzb_d800: | tbh, I'd prefer to fill up with uncompressed movies, than uncompressed kiddie shows ;) |
| [08:35:35] | mzb_d800: | s/movies/movies + documentaries/ |
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| [08:35:57] | mzb_d800: | time to cook bbq methinks. Thanks for the help iamlindoro |
| [08:36:05] | iamlindoro__: | mzb_d800, good luck |
| [08:38:24] | justinh: | mzb_d800: the auto letterbox detection stuff should come in handy if it ever makes it in :) |
| [08:38:36] | justinh: | letterbox/pillarbox |
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| [08:39:45] | justinh: | arghhh the bloody work wiki is still brokened. oh well. can't grab software from it to update a machine, so will have to find something less boring to do instead :D |
| [08:41:35] | justinh: | got to thinking about my idea for the expiry list rejig on the way in to work just now. should be relatively easy to implement I think. the tricky part might be how to work out an estimated expiry time |
| [08:42:37] | justinh: | though, I figure if it's too hard I just won't bother with that part |
| [08:43:29] | justinh: | iamlindoro__: would you object to the list of shows that are going to be expired looking more like the 'watch recordings' screen? ;-) |
| [08:44:05] | iamlindoro: | justinh: http://iamlindoro.sexypenguins.com:8081/MythTube-UI-1.png |
| [08:44:20] | iamlindoro: | On its way, anyway |
| [08:44:34] | justinh: | OooooOOOOO ! |
| [08:44:42] | directhex: | OO.o! |
| [08:45:05] | justinh: | iamlindoro: just a little thing.. could the script bit have a proper (user defined) name? |
| [08:45:23] | iamlindoro: | justinh: Yeah, I was planning on adding that in the next few days |
| [08:45:38] | justinh: | _cool_ :) MOARUSRFRNDLY |
| [08:45:41] | iamlindoro: | although likely script author defined as they already have a switch to output description |
| [08:46:02] | iamlindoro: | Was thinking a standardized switch to give "friendly" name |
| [08:46:13] | justinh: | well, so long as it's friendlier than $foo.pl |
| [08:46:15] | justinh: | ;) |
| [08:46:21] | iamlindoro: | indeed |
| [08:46:37] | justinh: | otherwise though.. NIFTY |
| [08:46:55] | iamlindoro: | I am now declaring my trailer patch done and myself very proud of myself |
| [08:47:08] | justinh: | trailer patch? |
| [08:47:09] | iamlindoro: | Added user-defined x random trailer playback before movies tonight |
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| [08:47:45] | justinh: | heh. what I prefer about watching films at home is NOT having to sit through half an hour's worth of crud |
| [08:47:49] | iamlindoro: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5920 |
| [08:47:55] | iamlindoro: | see my last comment |
| [08:48:30] | iamlindoro: | purely optional, and added as a second playback button so that you can either play the film or choose the "theatre experience" |
| [08:48:54] | iamlindoro: | also allows you to associate a single trailer with a movie so that you can pay its trailer before deciding to watch the film |
| [08:48:59] | iamlindoro: | er play |
| [08:49:28] | justinh: | I know I said I wouldn't want it, but I can see how others would see it as useful :) |
| [08:50:05] | iamlindoro: | Easy enough, just leave it off (or turn it on and never use the context option) |
| [08:50:08] | justinh: | I had a play with XBMC on my laptop the other night. good GOD how does anybody put up with it? |
| [08:50:31] | RyeBrye: | the menu system on xbmc is a pita – but they do have nice skins |
| [08:50:34] | iamlindoro: | The UI does have some nice stuff, I will 100% give it that, but the whole thing is a crashy beast |
| [08:50:45] | justinh: | iamlindoro: I still can't get it to play video |
| [08:51:18] | justinh: | RyeBrye: one of their 'nice skins' isn't quite as nice up close |
| [08:51:26] | iamlindoro: | justinh: You're lucky, 30% of the time at the end of a film it steals your mouse and never gives it back until ctrl-at-backspace |
| [08:51:38] | justinh: | http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/ . . . s/Image1.png |
| [08:51:51] | iamlindoro: | mm, pubes |
| [08:52:47] | iamlindoro: | I imagine clever's power button to look like that |
| [08:52:56] | justinh: | and when the background images dissolve into one another, the scroller pauses |
| [08:53:19] | justinh: | that's on a dual core system which I wouldn't consider slow. Ooops |
| [08:53:39] | justinh: | then again maybe opengl on that system is lacking |
| [08:54:13] | justinh: | but it's not exactly hawking massive polygons around is it? |
| [08:54:25] | directhex: | pubetastic! |
| [08:54:33] | iamlindoro: | That much python takes its toll |
| [08:54:48] | justinh: | as for the menu navigation.. yeesh! |
| [08:54:50] | directhex: | iamlindoro, port it to .net! |
| [08:54:52] | RyeBrye: | iamlindoro__: I don't think clever has a power button – it's got one of these: http://pro.corbis.com/images/CB055720.jpg?siz . . . 1C78A9742%7D |
| [08:55:01] | dustybin: | pubes.py |
| [08:55:03] | directhex: | RyeBrye, but that is awesome and win |
| [08:55:12] | iamlindoro: | nice |
| [08:56:02] | justinh: | oh yeah.. and another thing.. this 'native' mythtv support.. where the hell is it? I set it up to use upnp to try watching recordings from my myth backend and er.. oops. no worky! They're all listed, but completely unplayable.. |
| [08:56:42] | iamlindoro: | You add a source as mythtv://123.45.6.78 |
| [08:56:55] | iamlindoro: | segfaultsed when connecting to my backend, whoops |
| [08:57:17] | justinh: | so why don't they put that in as a selectable item then? |
| [08:57:24] | directhex: | it's seekrit! |
| [08:57:37] | iamlindoro: | because we'll be dumping our frontend for it any day now |
| [08:57:43] | justinh: | they call other projects for doing strange stuff |
| [08:58:32] | justinh: | I quite like the audio feedback thingies though.. I can see me playing about with bringing that to myth somehow |
| [08:58:44] | RyeBrye: | wait -they have native myth support? |
| [08:58:50] | directhex: | RyeBrye, sorta |
| [08:58:51] | justinh: | RyeBrye: of sorts |
| [08:58:55] | RyeBrye: | the only thing I care about is commercial skipping |
| [08:59:01] | justinh: | you can't do that |
| [08:59:02] | directhex: | RyeBrye, oh, nothing like THAT |
| [08:59:05] | iamlindoro: | well forget about that |
| [08:59:11] | directhex: | RyeBrye, it can talk to a backend though. over not-upnp |
| [08:59:12] | RyeBrye: | Well... screw that then |
| [08:59:12] | justinh: | only playback of recordings too AFAIK |
| [08:59:18] | justinh: | no EPG |
| [08:59:25] | justinh: | the UI doesn't support it |
| [08:59:27] | iamlindoro: | They have liveTV...sorta |
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| [08:59:31] | directhex: | justinh, it might do livetv. the old mythtv.py could |
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| [08:59:51] | justinh: | infact, insofar as their skinning engine is powerful, it's also incredibly limited |
| [08:59:58] | iamlindoro: | as in "each program appears sorta like a recording in a seperate livetv foldery thing" |
| [09:00:31] | justinh: | well, fair play to em. they started out making a filebrowser with user friendly buttons... and it still is that |
| [09:01:29] | directhex: | i still like the semantic metadata for files |
| [09:01:39] | directhex: | and the comprehension of the idea that people have files that are not movies |
| [09:01:55] | justinh: | myth is moving ever closer to that model |
| [09:01:59] | iamlindoro: | directhex: G reyfoxx has something being cooked up for that |
| [09:02:13] | directhex: | iamlindoro, thank christ |
| [09:03:10] | anykey_: | Does anyone know what the problem is here? I see LMsC on screen, but no picture: http://pastebin.com/m1b1199b8 |
| [09:03:22] | iamlindoro: | I dunno if it's the lack of context or what, but I feel like .22 will be the change of any three prior releases |
| [09:04:07] | justinh: | iamlindoro: ? |
| [09:04:07] | directhex: | iamlindoro, well, don't forget multirec. that was major |
| [09:04:29] | justinh: | it'll certainly be _visibly_ different |
| [09:04:29] | iamlindoro: | justinh: .22 = revolutionary, versus the evolutionary of any prior release |
| [09:04:44] | justinh: | it had to, or it'd just die |
| [09:05:11] | justinh: | not that it was likely to die quickly, at the rate the 'competition' are doing DVR features |
| [09:05:19] | iamlindoro: | directhex: multirec was big, but I dunno if it compares to HD-PVR, VDPAU, MythUI, maybe a new plugin, bajillions of fixes, HD audio formats, huge improvements to h.264 support |
| [09:05:49] | justinh: | iamlindoro: ahh yes but who will love MythPhone? ;-) |
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| [09:05:58] | directhex: | someone who uses it? |
| [09:06:01] | iamlindoro: | and in all liklihood S2API, streaming videos, and metadata based mythvideo |
| [09:06:24] | iamlindoro: | I would be happy to see Mythphone/zoneminder/flix asplode |
| [09:06:28] | justinh: | iamlindoro: and hopefully (at last!) a kick-ass core theme |
| [09:06:45] | iamlindoro: | justinh: ;) Signs are positive in that respect |
| [09:07:44] | directhex: | you mean mepo-wide is becoming the def... enough trolling for one day |
| [09:07:47] | iamlindoro: | I note the l33t media player crowd still have not one shred of VDPAU code |
| [09:08:17] | anykey_: | justinh: two core themes ;) |
| [09:08:17] | iamlindoro: | guess they're hoping their GSoC python GPU-accel script will fall together |
| [09:08:25] | justinh: | btw I've left room in certain parts of mythvideo for the 'watched' and 'added' proposals, just incase |
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| [09:08:31] | directhex: | iamlindoro, vdr doesn't need it, it already has amazing hardware acceleration on all those FF cards! |
| [09:08:58] | iamlindoro: | vdr exists only as a means to run sass kenji |
| [09:09:01] | iamlindoro: | yarrrrr! |
| [09:09:15] | justinh: | I still wanna do that sudoku game plugin |
| [09:09:27] | stuarta: | go for it |
| [09:11:08] | justinh: | stuarta: heh. it'll have to come after being able to set/disable autoexpiry on playlist items, and after I redo the autoexpiry show list |
| [09:11:26] | justinh: | and after at least _almost_ completing 'concept' |
| [09:11:42] | iamlindoro: | wonder if gbee still has the diskspace widget on the list |
| [09:12:00] | iamlindoro: | That'd be a "nice to have" little touch |
| [09:12:05] | justinh: | which one.. the pie chart one? |
| [09:12:28] | iamlindoro: | justinh: That or a thermometer like thing, whichever |
| [09:12:48] | justinh: | I thought there was already one |
| [09:13:05] | iamlindoro: | really? I've never seen it if so |
| [09:13:15] | justinh: | oh wait.. don't remember seeing it in recordings-ui.xml |
| [09:13:18] | iamlindoro: | could be, though |
| [09:14:05] | iamlindoro: | playbackbox.cpp make my head hurt. I keep starting to put in icons for 480/720/1080 but I always quit within 20 minutes |
| [09:14:13] | iamlindoro: | er makes |
| [09:14:33] | justinh: | oh to take the place of the 'HD' icon you mean? |
| [09:14:44] | iamlindoro: | I wrote the bit to put resolution in the DB, might as well turn it in to UI bling |
| [09:14:48] | iamlindoro: | justinh: yeah |
| [09:15:06] | justinh: | should be a walk in the park for somebody of your calibre shirley |
| [09:15:28] | iamlindoro: | My calibre is decidedly low when it comes to writing code, and don't call me shirley |
| [09:16:14] | iamlindoro: | though my recent forays have been fun. Would like to see trailers + mythtube committed, though, need to start badgering |
| [09:16:51] | justinh: | yeah well my coding methodology is.. copy existing code which does something similar enough to what I want, then hack. get it to compile cleanly, hack hack hack.. rinse & repeat.. then get it doing what I want, rinse, repeat.. etc |
| [09:17:07] | iamlindoro: | ah, so we went to the same coding night college then |
| [09:17:28] | directhex: | so did all of microsoft! |
| [09:17:45] | justinh: | it's about the code equivalent of being able to buy a beer in 3 languages |
| [09:19:15] | justinh: | bugger. wiki's back up. and I've not been told which version of software to put on this box so it's getting the latest |
| [09:19:16] | directhex: | cervesa, por favor! |
| [09:20:05] | justinh: | btw you know what's _really_ wrong with XBMC IMHO? The fact it's designed to be used with only 6 buttons |
| [09:20:30] | iamlindoro: | you should be lucky you didn't get into video playback, then |
| [09:20:54] | iamlindoro: | and press the menu button and see the default OSD-- looks like a cartoony NES D-pad |
| [09:20:59] | justinh: | if they've not already, they should definitely add support for more buttons |
| [09:21:43] | justinh: | I think the xbox version was ok if you used a controller though. never had to deal with the osd much |
| [09:22:42] | justinh: | so it's really not the panacea people seem to think it is, being fair. they do _some_ stuff better than anybody else but they're being encroached upon :) |
| [09:24:02] | iamlindoro: | I think you could take the current Myth UI, add smooth motion on the selectors, and people would ooh and aah |
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| [09:24:57] | justinh: | definitely |
| [09:25:19] | iamlindoro: | I do look forward to seeing what gbee does with that |
| [09:26:29] | justinh: | I'll be doing schedule-ui tonight.. or maybe start later |
| [09:30:34] | Dibblah: | Okay. This is nuts... mythfilldatabase is taking 7 seconds to insert 10 programs. :( |
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| [09:38:15] | stuarta: | when he turns up, we'll send him to #linuxtv |
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| [09:39:07] | steerpike: | hi? |
| [09:39:38] | justinh: | mythtv does not support devices as such. a device needs to work in _linux_ :) |
| [09:40:27] | justinh: | not true in all cases, but in the case of DVB-T tuners it IS |
| [09:41:00] | steerpike: | it has analog as well |
| [09:41:26] | justinh: | same applies |
| [09:41:28] | steerpike: | anyway, how do i go about identifying the chipset? |
| [09:41:45] | justinh: | without opening the box or plugging it in? tough call |
| [09:41:45] | steerpike: | i haven't purchased said unit yet |
| [09:41:48] | Dibblah: | Eww. No hardware PID filter. |
| [09:42:03] | justinh: | stuarta: in short, YOU CAN'T tell |
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| [09:42:18] | justinh: | steerpike.. I meant. sorry stuarta |
| [09:42:42] | steerpike: | i guess there's only one way to find out |
| [09:43:05] | justinh: | hardware compatibility questions for tv tuners in linux should be asked in #linuxtv anyway.. and they'd also likely tell you the same thing |
| [09:43:32] | steerpike: | ok |
| [09:44:41] | ** stuarta pokes justinh ** | |
| [09:45:04] | Dibblah: | Besides... If it doesn't work, use the ebay refund – Resell it. |
| [09:45:14] | stuarta: | also, usb based tuner support is "variable" at best |
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| [09:46:23] | justinh: | even if you managed to find somebody with the 'same' stick there's no guarantee you'd end up with the same result. chipsets change & model numbers stay the same :( |
| [09:46:36] | justinh: | *numbers & names |
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| [10:14:47] | Dibblah: | Hmm. This changed with the recent people table changes. |
| [10:15:16] | Dibblah: | ... Which probably means that that table is somehow broken now :( |
| [10:15:40] | justinh: | dunno what possible use the people table has in _real_ terms anyway |
| [10:18:24] | justinh: | if $actor != "Lee Evans" recordstuff maybe :) |
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| [10:26:24] | Dibblah: | SELECT title,starttime,endtime FROM program WHERE chanid='1000' AND starttime>='2008-12–25T06:00:00' AND starttime<'2008-12–25T07:00:00'; |
| [10:26:35] | Dibblah: | is taking 75ms to execute. Which is insane. |
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| [10:27:32] | gbee: | sphery: just thought you might be interested – http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2008/12/12/s . . . ve_warranty/ |
| [10:28:08] | gbee: | hardly a move which suggests confidence in their own product |
| [10:28:37] | justinh: | well, could be a profit preservation move too |
| [10:29:11] | justinh: | though anybody playing the long game would logically take the hit |
| [10:29:20] | ** directhex sends steerpike to the kitchens ** | |
| [10:30:23] | gbee: | oh I'm sure that's what they are doing, but the message it sends is "it's costing us too much to cover our drives for 5 years", which in turn gives the impression that a lot of them are failing within that period |
| [10:30:56] | Dibblah: | Is anyone else seeing really slow mythfilldatabase runs? |
| [10:32:34] | gbee: | what it means is that Seagate drives were never more reliable, that when they extended their warranty beyond what other manufacturers were willing to risk they were taking a loss and it wasn't out of a belief that they had a superior product, I find that interesting |
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| [10:33:03] | Dibblah: | I don't get it. programid is an index for starttime / chanid. |
| [10:33:50] | gbee: | most people don't buy things with a longer warranty because they are protected, they buy it because of the implication that it's a better product and will last longer :) |
| [10:34:04] | Dibblah: | So that shouldn't invoke a full table scan. |
| [10:34:48] | gbee: | Dibblah: seems slow here, but it's been that way for so long that I don't know if it should/could be faster |
| [10:34:49] | dustybin: | i didnt mention mythtv at all |
| [10:35:05] | Dibblah: | "slow" as in taking 100ms / row. |
| [10:35:20] | Dibblah: | Where row == program. |
| [10:35:21] | dustybin: | i just spoke to hauppauge regarding a problem with losing a tuner on the new Nova-TD 500, they told me to send a email to them |
| [10:35:26] | Dibblah: | programme, even. |
| [10:35:33] | dustybin: | they replied back: Ive been told if you post back on the linuxtv.org or myth tv websites |
| [10:35:43] | dustybin: | Someone there should be able to assist |
| [10:35:56] | justinh: | dustybin: yeah I can assist. FO |
| [10:36:00] | dustybin: | hahaha |
| [10:36:03] | justinh: | hope that helped |
| [10:36:07] | dustybin: | how do they know what mythtv is |
| [10:36:14] | justinh: | BUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| [10:36:16] | dustybin: | or myth tv |
| [10:36:25] | gbee: | dustybin: err, you're joking right? |
| [10:36:32] | dustybin: | aye |
| [10:36:44] | justinh: | because of all the hauppauge shills working on the mythtv project of course! |
| [10:36:55] | justinh: | like all the nvidia ones :) |
| [10:37:01] | dustybin: | Kind Regards T.Luke Hauppauge Digital SARL |
| [10:37:32] | gbee: | dustybin: Hauppuage actually have people working on linux drivers with the community, they know about MythTV because our users are a decent number of their users |
| [10:37:55] | dustybin: | i didnt realise how to pronounce 'Hauppauge' until i spoke to them :P |
| [10:38:04] | gbee: | HopHog |
| [10:38:08] | dustybin: | LOL YES |
| [10:38:24] | dustybin: | aye ok |
| [10:38:29] | justinh: | stupid name, always thought so |
| [10:38:35] | justinh: | nice product though |
| [10:38:42] | directhex: | hopHOG |
| [10:38:46] | gbee: | It's Native American or something, name of the town in which the company was started |
| [10:38:56] | directhex: | viddyPOW |
| [10:39:03] | Dibblah: | Maybe it's time for a wipe + start again on this database. I've had it since... 0.15? |
| [10:39:05] | justinh: | me speaky ENGLISH thankyou :D |
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| [10:39:27] | dustybin: | my friend with the Nova-TD 500 keeps on losing a tuner and getting this in logs |
| [10:39:29] | AlNahar: | can i have mythtv use pulseaudio? |
| [10:39:30] | dustybin: | [37293.475337] DiB0070 I2C write failed |
| [10:39:37] | stuarta: | Dibblah: i think you need to run the optimize db script |
| [10:39:40] | gbee: | dustybin: it's a driver bug |
| [10:39:45] | dustybin: | ok |
| [10:39:57] | gbee: | you need to raise it in #linuxtv or on their mailing list |
| [10:40:01] | Dibblah: | That was my thought too. |
| [10:40:06] | Dibblah: | However... |
| [10:40:08] | dustybin: | right ok will do |
| [10:40:30] | gbee: | dustybin: which kernel? |
| [10:40:33] | justinh: | gbee: you mean rabbiting about it in here acheives nothing? :-O |
| [10:40:54] | gbee: | dustybin: disable active EIT too |
| [10:40:54] | dustybin: | Linux debian 2.6.26-1–686 #1 SMP Sat Nov 8 19:00:26 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| [10:41:00] | dustybin: | with the latest v4l drivers |
| [10:41:04] | gbee: | k |
| [10:41:10] | gbee: | justinh: ;) |
| [10:41:26] | dustybin: | and 1.10 nova-t 500 firmware |
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| [10:41:35] | dustybin: | there is a 1.20 but its not ready yet, buggy |
| [10:41:50] | Dibblah: | Oh, this is INSANE. program, programrating and credits are all using chanid,starttime as a key. This *so* needs normalised. |
| [10:42:12] | dustybin: | dvb-usb-dib0700–1.10.fw |
| [10:42:21] | gbee: | dustybin: might want to try 2.6.27 – there were USB fixes that I think came in that kernel which helped |
| [10:42:28] | stuarta: | Dibblah: what's so bad about that |
| [10:42:43] | dustybin: | gbee: i better check if the usb sub system stays on |
| [10:42:58] | Dibblah: | They're all storing duplicate information. |
| [10:43:08] | dustybin: | i remember i had that problem with my nova-t 500, once the usb was powered on all the time, no problems at all |
| [10:43:23] | dustybin: | ill have a look later |
| [10:43:30] | dustybin: | time to post some stuff selling on ebay |
| [10:43:36] | Dibblah: | And updating in separate tables, using the same key. |
| [10:43:40] | stuarta: | Dibblah: yeah, but that's what lots of stuff is looked upon |
| [10:43:57] | Dibblah: | stuarta: Err? |
| [10:44:25] | stuarta: | chanid,starttime is used heavily in the scheduler iirc |
| [10:44:53] | Dibblah: | Yes, but normalise that out into a seperate table, and the scheduler query gets _smaller_. |
| [10:45:16] | stuarta: | wish you luck doing that :) |
| [10:45:41] | Dibblah: | Yeah. Thanks. If I had time... :( |
| [10:45:42] | justinh: | are there any db normalising tools that could be brought to bear on this? |
| [10:45:48] | Dibblah: | And ability. |
| [10:45:58] | Dibblah: | justinh: It's mostly a manual task. |
| [10:46:06] | justinh: | eew |
| [10:46:15] | stuarta: | which is one reason DBA's make $$$ |
| [10:46:15] | justinh: | I've seen that BFSQ. it's SCARYWARY! |
| [10:46:17] | gbee: | I'd love to see the database re-worked and normalised |
| [10:46:29] | ** stuarta sets milestone 0.23 ** | |
| [10:46:57] | Dibblah: | Personally, I think the BUQ needs a revamp ;) |
| [10:47:32] | Dibblah: | ... Maybe asking for a volunteer on the ML would do some good? |
| [10:47:44] | Dibblah: | I'm quite sure there's got to be some SQL gurus out there... |
| [10:47:52] | justinh: | maybe pissing in the wind would do some good |
| [10:48:02] | Dibblah: | Who think "I can't contribute because I can't do C++" |
| [10:48:25] | gbee: | can only harm him if he pisses _into_ the wind ;) |
| [10:48:45] | justinh: | what if the wind changes though? oops |
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| [10:51:08] | laga: | you guys are weird |
| [10:51:30] | stuarta: | just remember, never eat yellow snow |
| [10:52:52] | justinh: | we're weird? we've seen Eurotrash, man! talk about weird! |
| [10:53:13] | Dibblah: | Trying adding an index on chanid / starttime to credits. |
| [10:53:55] | justinh: | this is why so many Brits don't want to join Europe.. blimmin weirdos! |
| [10:54:40] | gbee: | normalising a database isn't rocket science, optimising it to the Nth degree does take a little more time/experience, but even someone with intermediate SQL skills should know how to set about normalisation |
| [10:54:50] | ** directhex sends antoine de caunes after justinh ** | |
| [10:54:55] | laga: | justinh: you've got chavs |
| [10:55:53] | justinh: | chavs are just scummy though, not weird |
| [10:56:31] | gbee: | at this point I should point out that Eurotrash was a show which looked a the drak and bizarre underbelly of European life, featured some weird people and their weird lifestyles |
| [10:56:46] | gbee: | s/drak/dark/ |
| [10:58:25] | ** justinh is in his happy place ** | |
| [10:59:08] | gbee: | that's for the benefit our foreign friends who have never heard of Eurotrash and might be wondering what was meant by justinh's comment |
| [11:00:19] | directhex: | i have the theme song in my head now :| |
| [11:00:40] | justinh: | lucky you |
| [11:00:43] | directhex: | scary thing is, eurotrash was a big-budget show. they spent all their money on looking downmarket & amateur :| |
| [11:00:45] | justinh: | we've got the beatles on in here |
| [11:01:04] | stuarta: | some random crap here |
| [11:01:08] | directhex: | laaaa la la la la laaaaaaaaa la la la la laaaaaaaaaaaaaaa lalalalala la laaaaaaa! |
| [11:01:08] | justinh: | yesterday.. FFS SCALPELS AT THE READY! |
| [11:01:37] | directhex: | deeee deeeeeeeee doobydooby dee dee dum, deeee deeeeeeeee doobydooby dee dee dum! |
| [11:01:40] | directhex: | laaaa la la la la laaaaaaaaa la la la la laaaaaaaaaaaaaaa lalalalala la laaaaaaa! |
| [11:01:47] | directhex: | *gong sound* |
| [11:02:42] | ** justinh drowns it all out with Kool & the Gang's 'Jungle Boogie'. VERY VERY LOUD ** | |
| [11:03:29] | Dibblah: | Well, this would appear to be a nasty ext4 / mysql interaction. |
| [11:03:42] | Dibblah: | Sticking it on a ramdrive does... Something interesting :) |
| [11:04:44] | justinh: | wow. apparently 6 days ago only about 30% of congestion charge votes had been returned. how can people be so apathetic? |
| [11:05:01] | Dibblah: | Complete mythfilldatabase run in 25 seconds, with --file |
| [11:05:23] | stuarta: | did you just copy the files to ram drive? |
| [11:05:29] | Dibblah: | Yup. |
| [11:05:48] | Dibblah: | What I really want is RAID with write-mostly, :( |
| [11:06:07] | Dibblah: | well, tmpfs, but similar enough. |
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| [11:06:53] | stuarta: | be interesting to see if it still happens on ext3 |
| [11:07:54] | Dibblah: | Interesting to see that the scheduler isn't all that much faster. 11.8 seconds... |
| [11:08:11] | Dibblah: | Wierd. It's actually slower. |
| [11:08:57] | Dibblah: | justinh: I'd try and find out, but that means going to london and I can't be bothered. |
| [11:09:16] | justinh: | no, I meant for the Manchestuh CC |
| [11:11:07] | Dibblah: | Oh, so only going to Manchester. I still think I'll skip :) |
| [11:12:19] | dustybin: | dam ive run out of anti-static bags and i need to post a CPU |
| [11:12:45] | ** ruskie suggest dusting it heavily ;) ** | |
| [11:12:51] | directhex: | dustybin, wrap it in enough cling film & it's sure to be safe from knocks |
| [11:13:07] | dustybin: | no static on cling film? |
| [11:13:44] | justinh: | none at all |
| [11:14:10] | dustybin: | seriously? i dont want to damage the CPU |
| [11:14:31] | ** dustybin finds cling film ** | |
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| [11:14:43] | ** stuarta doesn't believe them ** | |
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| [11:22:46] | Dibblah: | Err... Seriously not true. |
| [11:23:16] | Dibblah: | ... As should be obvious from an elementary examination of unrolling a roll of cling film in a dark room. |
| [11:23:59] | justinh: | ahh in that case, wrap it up in nylon wool & gaffer tape :) |
| [11:24:13] | justinh: | or better yet, steel wool. steel is very antistatic |
| [11:24:22] | AndyCap: | must use the soapy kind |
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| [11:46:16] | justinh: | btw folks, if you ever get the chance to listen to a Christmas album by the Salsoul Orchestra, TURN IT DOWN! |
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| [11:46:54] | justinh: | you might think "hmm, Salsoul Orchestra... pretty credible band...". While that's true.. this album is evil dirge |
| [11:47:12] | justinh: | Xmas goes disco. BLECH |
| [11:47:35] | ** stuarta loads it into the launcher, readies the shotgun, yells 'PULL', and blasts it into smithereens ** | |
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| [11:51:06] | ** justinh starts fixing video-ui.xml ** | |
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| [11:59:37] | Terrortoertchen: | hi all |
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| [12:15:29] | doc___: | hi there |
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| [12:45:31] | justinh: | gotta love democracy. the majority of people voted against the congestion charge :) |
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| [12:48:48] | gbee: | was there going to be an exemption for city residents? |
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| [12:50:26] | justinh: | nope |
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| [13:06:51] | Piper69_: | i need help please, when i do mythbackend , and when i load it tells me "can not connect to master backend server ...is it running? |
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| [13:10:33] | sulx: | run mythtv-setup to config it first |
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| [13:24:53] | justinh: | there we go. sorted out video-ui.xml again :) |
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| [13:27:08] | gbee: | does anyone know what app/script etc might keep appending .local to my hostname? I'm getting really pissed off now |
| [13:28:41] | anykey_: | gbee: your router maybe |
| [13:28:50] | gbee: | not the router |
| [13:28:57] | gbee: | it's software |
| [13:29:13] | anykey_: | DHCP hostname something? Mine does that |
| [13:29:32] | gbee: | unlikely this is happening at random, not when a DHCP lease expires |
| [13:30:03] | justinh: | sounds yucky |
| [13:30:35] | gbee: | randomly changing hostname tends to break things, from kde through to myth |
| [13:30:35] | justinh: | and the probable cause of many a user wandering in here with "HELP! miffyteevee bwoked again!" |
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| [13:40:36] | Piper69_: | sulx: i did so , and still same thing |
| [13:41:08] | Piper69_: | i am putting that box ip |
| [13:41:23] | justinh: | if it's all in one box you needn't change the IP addresses |
| [13:41:47] | Piper69_: | justinh: it is all in one box |
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| [13:45:13] | justinh: | well then, the defaults should've been okay it you were following documentation |
| [13:45:20] | justinh: | s/it/if |
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| [13:48:39] | Piper69_: | justinh: when i do mythbackend , i get can't login database |
| [13:51:13] | justinh: | yet another happy ubuntu user? |
| [13:51:43] | Piper69_: | but i have a windows vista box and it popped a msg box that said windows media center detech MythTV Render |
| [13:53:54] | justinh: | really? that has nothing to do with anything. |
| [13:54:33] | Piper69_: | justinh: ok, what you suggest i do to make it run |
| [13:56:40] | justinh: | are you using ubuntu? |
| [13:56:51] | Piper69_: | justinh: Debian |
| [13:57:04] | justinh: | have you read ANY documentation? |
| [13:57:20] | Piper69_: | no i just set it up from the blue |
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| [13:57:36] | Piper69_: | was that a real question! |
| [13:58:00] | justinh: | so you just kind of expected everything to work out of the box? whoops |
| [13:58:04] | laga: | was that a real answer? |
| [13:58:26] | Piper69_: | what do u think |
| [13:58:38] | Piper69_: | i RTM |
| [13:58:43] | justinh: | I think you've not read any install documentation |
| [13:58:51] | justinh: | bye |
| [13:59:08] | Finswimmer: | hello, i am using tvmovie2vdr-0.5.14 with tvm2xml.pl. but my "umlaute" such as äüüe and special signs like ""/' are broken. is someone using this program? |
| [13:59:33] | Piper69_: | justinh: oh is htat right. i think you don't know wtf you are saying, and you are trying to make an excuse with the manual |
| [14:00:27] | Finswimmer: | Piper69_: calm down... |
| [14:01:52] | Piper69_: | Finswimmer: dude, you spend 3 fucking weeks reading and preping and some ID10T tells u did you read the MAN |
| [14:01:57] | Piper69_: | wtf |
| [14:02:13] | dustybin: | Piper69_: i think you need to speak to iamlindoro, hes more tolerate with people of your kind |
| [14:02:30] | Josh_Borke: | Piper69_: did you verify that you could connect to your mysql server? |
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| [14:02:32] | dustybin: | *tolerant |
| [14:02:58] | Josh_Borke: | Piper69_: did you verify the information within mythfrontend to connect to the database was correct? |
| [14:03:17] | Piper69_: | Josh_Borke: i even said it , i am not able to connect to db when i do mythbackend |
| [14:03:23] | Piper69_: | i verified it yes |
| [14:03:25] | justinh: | three weeks? and you didn't cover the part where mythtv uses a mysql database whose credentials are set in mythtv-setup, then stored in a file within ~/.mythtv/ ? |
| [14:03:57] | Piper69_: | justinh: no coz u mama was a distraction to me |
| [14:04:11] | justinh: | you come in here, saying you get AN ERROR, without explaining WTF you've tried so far, then you take offense when somebody asks you if you're read the docs |
| [14:04:38] | Piper69_: | justinh: go read what i said b4 you talk like that |
| [14:04:40] | justinh: | yo momma. that's mature |
| [14:04:52] | Piper69_: | :) |
| [14:05:46] | Finswimmer: | Piper69_: but with the same settings specified in mysqlbackend can you connect with mysql in bash? |
| [14:05:54] | dustybin: | Piper69_: did you star in this movie: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=kBVmfIUR1DA |
| [14:05:59] | justinh: | you know why I'm so damn fat? every time I give your mrs an orgasm she gives me a biscuit. there's a put down |
| [14:06:51] | Finswimmer: | dustybin: hey...nothing against germans ;) |
| [14:07:09] | Finswimmer: | i think he is using windows :) |
| [14:07:21] | gbee: | keep it friendly guys |
| [14:07:58] | justinh: | 1. check you can log into the mysql server using the username & password you've set mythbackend to use |
| [14:08:07] | gbee: | I know it's hard when it feels like you are talking to a brick wall |
| [14:08:40] | justinh: | 2. check that the user mythbackend is running as actually has its own copy of the right credentials in its ~/.mythtv/config.xml file |
| [14:09:05] | Piper69_: | Finswimmer: i use phpmyadmin |
| [14:09:21] | Piper69_: | i didn;t setu from shell |
| [14:09:51] | Finswimmer: | no. try it with mysql from console. and like justinh said try it with the same user which runs mythbackend. |
| [14:10:29] | Finswimmer: | Piper69_: it is for testing the connection to your myslqd. you need not to set it up from shell. |
| [14:10:30] | justinh: | I'm fed up to the back teeth with dealing with database access problems caused by the packager trying to make life easier for end users |
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| [14:10:56] | gbee: | sooner we integrate the database the better |
| [14:11:21] | justinh: | sooner people get capable of following simple instructions in a list... |
| [14:11:27] | gbee: | I'd be working on that if mythui wasn't flapping in the wind |
| [14:12:06] | gbee: | nah, we have to treat users like they are idiots – it works for Microsoft, why not us? |
| [14:12:14] | Piper69_: | mysql -u mythtv -p password |
| [14:12:17] | justinh: | I think part of the problem is that mythbackend wants to run as root on some installs & as mythtv on others, but people run mythtv-setup as themselves |
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| [14:13:44] | Piper69_: | errr, i will come back later i gtg to work now |
| [14:14:04] | gbee: | I'd like to have words with packagers setting up mythtv to run as root |
| [14:15:32] | Finswimmer: | Piper69_: whats the output of the mysxql command above? |
| [14:25:02] | justinh: | gbee: uploading new screenshots now |
| [14:27:40] | justinh: | http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/ . . . concept1.png thru concept7.png |
| [14:27:54] | justinh: | in good shape to tackle schedule-ui tonight :) |
| [14:29:29] | Finswimmer: | justinh: amazing. when will it be ready to use :D |
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| [14:30:01] | justinh: | bugger. posted that in the wrong channel and a half |
| [14:30:56] | justinh: | Finswimmer: when A) it's ready and B) when mythui work is ready enough. how long is a piece of string? |
| [14:32:02] | gbee: | twice as long as half a piece of string |
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| [14:32:29] | gbee: | looking good |
| [14:32:59] | psipsi: | justinh, pretty pictures |
| [14:32:59] | gbee: | picky side in me wants to point out one or two alignment issues but I'm pretty sure you're aware of them |
| [14:33:37] | justinh: | there you go. think of a number, then double it. then halve it. you've got the number you originally thought & you still have to wait for 'concept' to be ready. |
| [14:33:53] | justinh: | gbee: really? where? |
| [14:34:31] | justinh: | I'm thinking about making the parental value black on a solid white circle (or maybe red?), so I know that's off |
| [14:34:46] | justinh: | the outer rectangle is gonna go, it's just there to help me line stuff up |
| [14:35:10] | gbee: | well the manager view, the year, runtime and browsable info all start at different points, would look better if they lined up IMHO |
| [14:35:20] | justinh: | oh yeah I know about them |
| [14:36:08] | justinh: | that tag we talked about the other day would greatly simplify stuff like that :) |
| [14:36:18] | gbee: | the other one is the preview images in the watch recordings list, they look 4 pixels below the top of the background but line up at the bottom |
| [14:36:39] | justinh: | yeah the BG needs to be fatter by about 4 px |
| [14:36:40] | gbee: | instead of being centred vertically |
| [14:37:33] | gbee: | and I only notice that stuff because I've spent so long looking for it in my themes, so it's nothing major |
| [14:37:45] | justinh: | for one of mine, there's very little needs doing at this stage ;) |
| [14:38:13] | gbee: | :) |
| [14:38:42] | justinh: | I won't let anybody near it til I've gone over everything til I'm sick of it |
| [14:38:50] | gbee: | still think that the large preview should have a white border as the poster does in the videos |
| [14:39:00] | justinh: | yeah it will do |
| [14:39:14] | justinh: | the menu icons need changing too. they suck |
| [14:43:18] | gbee: | just how much feedback do you want? |
| [14:44:26] | justinh: | as much as you want |
| [14:44:37] | justinh: | but bear in mind it's all still very much W.I.P. |
| [14:45:29] | gbee: | well don't get me wrong, it's your theme and I love the style, but the main menu doesn't break the mould |
| [14:45:29] | justinh: | background needs to be darker, or I need to put darkening boxes in place |
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| [14:45:56] | justinh: | I like vertical menus |
| [14:45:57] | gbee: | I'm really not sure what I'd do differently, but even just putting the watermarks on the left instead of the right |
| [14:46:00] | justinh: | HATE grid menus |
| [14:46:32] | justinh: | horizontal would work, BUT.. somebody else is doing that & I'd be at a loss as to what to do with all the space |
| [14:46:45] | gbee: | not suggesting you change it from vertical, not sure what I'm suggesting |
| [14:47:07] | justinh: | toyed with the idea of putting icons on the buttons |
| [14:47:19] | justinh: | then the icons could appear as screen titles |
| [14:47:30] | Piper69_: | Finswimmer: i was able to login to mythconverg db from shell |
| [14:48:37] | justinh: | gbee: see what you think to concept2.png now |
| [14:48:45] | Piper69_: | sorry i was afk getting dress for work |
| [14:49:29] | gbee: | justinh: you know how much I like UI consistency ;) |
| [14:49:48] | justinh: | I was going to get around to it! :) |
| [14:50:26] | justinh: | I like consistency too, which is why I spend 2 hours moving the button areas in the mythvideo screens to the top & put the info on the bottom |
| [14:50:35] | justinh: | s/spend/spent |
| [14:51:33] | justinh: | actually the more cleanup I do now, the less there's gonna be later |
| [14:51:49] | justinh: | less chance of overlooking stuff too |
| [14:52:36] | justinh: | and yeah the watch recordings icons will be a-changing aswell. I hate the ones that look like they were done in PAINT :) |
| [14:54:51] | gbee: | not more than I do |
| [14:54:52] | justinh: | need to sort the fonts out aswell. everything in watch recordings is 'clock' or 'title' :P |
| [14:55:41] | justinh: | I think I'm gonna have to define them locally then farm em out to base.xml when they're ok |
| [14:56:57] | justinh: | and cos I based all this on glass-wide I need to hack out all the old graphics too |
| [14:57:33] | justinh: | think I might make a script to grep for image filenames & delete those it doesn't find |
| [15:01:00] | gbee: | fonts don't need to be in base.xml, I prefer it because it's easier to make theme wide changes and it's less xml, but I won't try to force that preference on anyone else |
| [15:01:56] | justinh: | I know they don't need to be, but I want to minimise the number of them :) |
| [15:02:25] | justinh: | so I'll make em local first, then tweak.. then when they're right move em back & use them everywhere else |
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| [15:03:16] | justinh: | hopefully it'll set a good example of font usage in future |
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| [15:20:50] | ** iamlindoro curses work, mornings, and all things awake ** | |
| [15:22:34] | laga: | it's friday |
| [15:22:47] | iamlindoro: | friday is a work day :( |
| [15:23:28] | laga: | da wo die schrank is? heh |
| [15:23:32] | laga: | 16:32 for me. going to bake christmas cookies with some friends now |
| [15:23:49] | stuarta: | special cookies no doubt |
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| [15:26:37] | laga: | stuarta: yes! christmas cookies! |
| [15:27:51] | LanUser: | laga: hopefully while listening to "die Prinzen – Festplatte" eh? |
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| [15:29:08] | root___: | heyas |
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| [15:30:30] | iamlindoro__: | ah, the old log in as root gag |
| [15:30:46] | elRoot: | anyone here running trunk atm? I used to always run trunk but have stuck on .21 whilst the move to QT4 was going on but am tempted to go back |
| [15:30:55] | elRoot: | yesss..... gag...... |
| [15:30:58] | elRoot: | :) |
| [15:31:05] | ** stuarta is not amused ** | |
| [15:31:24] | iamlindoro__: | stuarta, What's not amusing about my rooting around in his files? |
| [15:31:36] | jams: | i thought we had root banned here |
| [15:31:39] | stuarta: | that is amusing |
| [15:31:45] | stuarta: | jams: so did i |
| [15:31:49] | elRoot is now known as ElWig | |
| [15:31:52] | ElWig: | fine. |
| [15:31:52] | ** jams checks ** | |
| [15:32:01] | iamlindoro__: | chagning the nick doesn't change your user id, heh |
| [15:32:09] | iamlindoro__: | mailto:n=root@208.86.143.76 |
| [15:32:12] | jams: | guess not, just mythtv |
| [15:33:27] | iamlindoro__: | ssh root@208.86.143.76 |
| [15:33:31] | iamlindoro__: | whoops, wrong window |
| [15:34:08] | ElWig: | grumble |
| [15:35:24] | ElWig: | anywho.... anyone on trunk able to comment on how stable it is atm? |
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| [15:35:49] | stuarta: | it works on my dev rig |
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| [15:37:59] | iamlindoro__: | Oh the other hand it's as foolish as ever to run trunk if you're *not* hacking on it personally |
| [15:38:18] | stuarta: | definitely still a work in progress |
| [15:38:33] | iamlindoro__: | mostly because people who run it for features make me insane by never ever following -dev or -commits |
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| [15:38:54] | iamlindoro__: | and then claim they read every message except the one that explains EXACTLY what they're bitching about |
| [15:40:52] | ElWig: | yeah id quite like to test my plugin on it but dont want to move over if ill spend more time battling with the main bits than moving plugin |
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| [15:50:13] | gbee: | perfectly stable here, but there are incomplete features which shouldn't be used on a stable setup |
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| [16:00:00] | mascool: | can anyone please help me find out why my image is this screwed: http://i38.tinypic.com/micves.jpg |
| [16:00:39] | mascool: | i have tried 3 different kernels |
| [16:00:45] | mascool: | 3 different nvidia drivers |
| [16:00:53] | mascool: | many many xorg.conf options |
| [16:01:06] | LanUser: | mascool: what cable are you running from the vid card to the TV? |
| [16:01:10] | mascool: | coax |
| [16:01:19] | gbee: | PVR-350?? |
| [16:01:24] | mascool: | i have also tried 3 different cables |
| [16:01:27] | mascool: | pvr-150 |
| [16:01:43] | LanUser: | pvr-150 doesn't have X out to my knowledge, or? |
| [16:01:53] | gbee: | err, so where's the coax cable coming from? Or do you mean component? |
| [16:02:34] | mascool: | coax cable from a splitter or wall, doesn't matter |
| [16:02:36] | gbee: | sorry composite |
| [16:02:53] | gbee: | that's not the cable you are running from the video card |
| [16:03:01] | mascool: | oh |
| [16:03:03] | mascool: | wait |
| [16:03:06] | mascool: | i'm a dumbass |
| [16:03:10] | mascool: | it's s-video |
| [16:03:13] | gbee: | k |
| [16:03:18] | mascool: | my bad i'm frustrated |
| [16:03:30] | LanUser: | mascool: what's your exact video card model? |
| [16:03:39] | mascool: | geforce 6200 |
| [16:03:49] | LanUser: | can you post your xorg.conf somewhere? |
| [16:04:06] | mascool: | the same hardware config worked on a mythbuntu install but it was kind slow so i switched it to gentoo |
| [16:04:09] | mascool: | LanUser, yes one sec |
| [16:04:45] | mascool: | xorg.conf: http://pastebin.com/d61c24a99 |
| [16:04:47] | gbee: | might be capturing that way since it's a PVR-150, have you tried playing the videos on another machine? |
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| [16:05:13] | mascool: | i have not but even doing mplayer -vo xv /dev/video0 gives the same results |
| [16:05:24] | mascool: | hmm maybe i should ask the ivtv guys ? |
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| [16:06:24] | LanUser: | mascool: actually my pvr-150 has been screwed up lately too, does the MythTV menu show properly and just playback is bad? |
| [16:06:53] | mascool: | LanUser, yes glxinfo reports direct rendering, everything looks good except for video coming from the pvr |
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| [16:07:19] | LanUser: | yeah, it's a PVR-150 driver issue http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=9681 . . . ight=pvr-150 |
| [16:07:38] | shadash: | bug triage gets old |
| [16:08:07] | LanUser: | the solution listed above worked for a bit but after a while failed again, I just gave up and started using my HDHomeRun :( |
| [16:09:21] | mascool: | well at least you're getting HD quality now :) |
| [16:09:35] | mascool: | maybe the hw is sying |
| [16:09:37] | mascool: | dying* |
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| [16:10:06] | LanUser: | mascool: I'm sure it's a PVR-150 issue, maybe the folks at IVTV has a better solution by now, sorry |
| [16:10:34] | mascool: | i'll try changing the firmware |
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| [16:10:52] | mascool: | if this doesn't fix it i'm installing the old mythbuntu back |
| [16:11:03] | mascool: | i've spent 3 days on this already |
| [16:11:09] | mascool: | and i mean almost 10 hours |
| [16:11:11] | mascool: | a day |
| [16:11:25] | gbee: | mascool: sorry, but yes it looks like a PVR driver problem, not sometime we're best positioned to debug – I haven't used my PVR-150 in a year now |
| [16:12:20] | mascool: | well thanks for pointing me somewhere at least |
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| [16:13:41] | gbee: | if this is a dedicated mythtv box you might consider downgrading to an earlier distro where the driver isn't broken |
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| [16:17:54] | mascool: | so i updated the firmware with the one on ivtvdriver.org, restarted, mplayer /dev/video0 worked then mythtv showed the problem, then mplayer stopped working completely after exiting mythtv |
| [16:17:57] | mascool: | :) |
| [16:18:38] | mascool: | yeah so mplayer works flawlessy now that i've restarted |
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| [16:21:40] | mascool: | too bad, everything was so much faster in gentoo |
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| [16:23:49] | mascool: | any mythtv distro you guys would reccomend ? |
| [16:23:52] | LanUser: | mascool: do you have the issue with your compiled kernels or with the stock kernels too? |
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| [16:24:04] | mascool: | LanUser, any kernel |
| [16:24:22] | mascool: | 2.6.25, .26 and .27 |
| [16:24:38] | LanUser: | yeah, me too, that's what seems strange to me, even with a kernel that used to work, as if the PVR-150 is damaged |
| [16:24:55] | LanUser: | I never went so far as to test it in a windows box though |
| [16:25:20] | mascool: | i will not go that far either :) |
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| [16:42:45] | mascool: | duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude |
| [16:42:53] | mascool: | you're not gonna believe this |
| [16:42:57] | mascool: | wow |
| [16:43:21] | mascool: | i deserve a friggin medal for being the world's dumbest friggin idiot |
| [16:43:31] | stuarta: | !trout mascool |
| [16:43:31] | ** MythLogBot slaps mascool with a trout on behalf of stuarta... ** | |
| [16:43:32] | mascool: | so when you go to setup recording profile in mythtv |
| [16:43:33] | Wagner: | enough build up... out with it already |
| [16:43:37] | mascool: | :D |
| [16:43:41] | shadash: | I wonder what that woudl look like |
| [16:43:46] | mascool: | i had it set up to record at 480x480 |
| [16:43:57] | mascool: | that was the default!!! |
| [16:44:30] | mascool: | and i just went through that config pages and it says (not setting 720x480 will cause ghosting on pvr-x50 ) |
| [16:44:38] | mascool: | duhhhh |
| [16:44:47] | mascool: | wow |
| [16:45:00] | mascool: | all these days of trying to debug ivtv .. |
| [16:45:04] | mascool: | hahaha |
| [16:45:15] | shadash: | sometimes allowing too many choices causes problems |
| [16:45:39] | mascool: | so trying to record in mythtv at 480x480 screwed up ivtv because not even mplayer would work afterwards |
| [16:45:42] | iamlindoro_: | I suggest translating all english tooltips into bantu since nobody ever reads them anyway |
| [16:45:47] | shadash: | just happens when you're trying to mesh several different projects |
| [16:45:49] | mascool: | that's what really messed me up |
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| [16:46:15] | mascool: | my mytbox iz sooo fast now :D |
| [16:46:38] | LanUser: | mascool: I was actually having the issue with the output of "cat /dev/video0 > file.mpg" too though |
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| [16:46:50] | mascool: | 3 days!!!! i'm getting a beer wo what if it's not noon yet |
| [16:47:20] | Wagner: | whats 3 days? |
| [16:47:29] | shadash: | one less than 4 days |
| [16:47:34] | mascool: | LanUser, the weird part was that usgin cat worked too, but only until i tried to watch livetv |
| [16:47:40] | mascool: | 3 days i spent on this crap |
| [16:47:46] | mascool: | trying to get it to work |
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| [16:48:03] | shadash: | so now you have crap that does work? |
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| [16:48:47] | mascool: | shadash, yeaaaaaaaaaaah |
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| [16:48:57] | mascool: | i'm watching divorce court ... |
| [16:49:00] | mascool: | haha |
| [16:49:14] | mascool: | ok now to get lirc working .. |
| [16:49:14] | Wagner: | all that work... gone to waste.... |
| [16:49:30] | mascool: | :) |
| [16:49:52] | gbee: | begs the question why we even allow that resolution, anyone? |
| [16:50:11] | mascool: | seriously, why does it default to that ? |
| [16:50:28] | shadash: | mascool: wait until you start recording content and automatically stripping out commercials |
| [16:50:39] | shadash: | I always thought that was pretty cool |
| [16:51:07] | Wagner: | mythtv does not automatically strip out commercials |
| [16:51:08] | mascool: | shadash, i've been using mythtv for 2 years now |
| [16:51:13] | mascool: | :D |
| [16:51:19] | mascool: | it's awesome |
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| [16:51:42] | shadash: | and the ability to watch show's faster but the voices don't sound like chipmunks |
| [16:51:52] | mascool: | oh yeaa |
| [16:51:55] | shadash: | that's neat as well |
| [16:51:58] | mascool: | any of you guys tried boxee ? |
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| [16:54:18] | shadash: | Wagner: well not "stripping" the commercials out but jumping over them |
| [16:55:32] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: I did (in bygone days) have ivtv working fine at 480x480, maybe it doesn't work right any more but at some point it did |
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| [16:56:32] | dustybin: | i like the idea of smooth scrolling menu selectors, that would change the whole feel of it |
| [16:56:55] | gbee: | heh, next time anyone tries to persuade me that Rails is sent from heaven ... why is it that I'm more likely to see things crash and burn on sites driven by either Rails or ASP? You'd think PHP, being more widely used and used by a great deal of amateurs would be the biggest source of error pages, but I see so many Application Error (rails) or "ASP.net – An Error has occured" |
| [16:57:01] | Wagner: | smooth scrolling simply means it takes longer to get where you want |
| [16:57:20] | dustybin: | Wagner: but it looks and feels nice |
| [16:57:34] | ** dustybin loads up frontrow ** | |
| [16:57:47] | iamlindoro_: | I spent all week wrestling with ASP.net, I desperately hope my company doesn't adopt this product |
| [16:58:20] | gnome42: | gbee: yeah, my default ivtv profile is 352x480 and 480x480 works fine for me as well. (on -fixes) |
| [16:58:30] | dustybin: | Wagner: it takes longer, but its not noticable as your brain can see it doing something |
| [16:59:07] | Wagner: | fair enough, plus its not like youre going to do anything else during that quarter second animation |
| [16:59:20] | dustybin: | aye |
| [16:59:34] | dustybin: | it gives it a quality feel |
| [16:59:35] | iamlindoro_: | so long as it's purely optional I don't see any harm in it |
| [16:59:56] | iamlindoro_: | But for the ricers it should also be possible to turn off all extra bling |
| [17:00:17] | iamlindoro_: | I myself am likely to leave it on as I am simple and easily amused like that |
| [17:00:18] | Wagner: | i thought ricers were for all the extra bling |
| [17:00:34] | iamlindoro_: | Wagner: need MOAR SPYD! |
| [17:01:04] | dustybin: | will all the extra bling work on a fx5200 ? |
| [17:01:20] | Wagner: | why would it not? |
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| [17:01:25] | iamlindoro_: | dustybin: It doesn't exist yet, how could it work? |
| [17:01:33] | dustybin: | haha ok |
| [17:01:37] | iamlindoro_: | It won't work on a quad core with a 9800 GTX either |
| [17:02:02] | Wagner: | the opengl drawer already does smooth transitions from one page to the next |
| [17:02:12] | Wagner: | i imagine my old ass laptop has enough power to do that |
| [17:02:22] | iamlindoro_: | Wagner: Believe he's speaking of animated selector |
| [17:02:42] | gbee: | and it gets smoother in trunk, with the limited optimisations I've had time to do |
| [17:03:22] | gbee: | all I ask is that people have patience, this work takes time |
| [17:03:31] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: I've noticed that OpenGL starts to draw garbage on random screens when it gets anything it doesn't like. I keep switching to the painter not remembering why I switched away, and then when I find some random movie title on the Top menu I remember why |
| [17:03:57] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: I've not seen that :/ |
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| [17:04:23] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: Seen it one two systems with two separate GPUs, although all nvidia |
| [17:04:31] | iamlindoro_: | will try to grab a screenshot next time I see it |
| [17:04:33] | gbee: | weird |
| [17:04:43] | iamlindoro_: | s/one/on/ |
| [17:05:45] | iamlindoro_: | sure it's some cleanup not being done, but it's likely beyond my debugging capabilities, all that painter stuff is greek translated into klingon then back into binary and finally to hex, by way of babelfish |
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| [17:07:14] | ** iamlindoro_ pesters anduin ** | |
| [17:07:21] | iamlindoro_: | So, good buddy, how 'bout that trailer patch, anyway? |
| [17:07:46] | iamlindoro_: | And have I mentioned how marvelous you're looking today? Have you lost weight? |
| [17:07:59] | Anduin: | iamlindoro_: I will commit it this weekend (haven't looked at it yet) |
| [17:08:06] | iamlindoro_: | Anduin: ok ;) |
| [17:08:28] | iamlindoro_: | I think it's the first thing I've ever done that I'm more or less proud of, although I'm sure it will need a nudge here and there |
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| [17:09:35] | Anduin: | There are obligatory changes a programmer needs to make to fuel the ego of course |
| [17:10:13] | iamlindoro_: | of course |
| [17:13:44] | dacs: | iamlindoro_ howdy |
| [17:15:06] | iamlindoro_: | hello |
| [17:15:41] | dacs: | justinh: you here man |
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| [17:21:22] | justinh: | dacs: no I'm not |
| [17:21:35] | dacs: | :) |
| [17:22:50] | justinh: | damned doggy thought it'd be hilarious to run off down a long steep muddy slope & peg it down by the brook in the dark. little shitbag |
| [17:23:14] | dacs: | hahahahah |
| [17:23:26] | dacs: | howes 'em that way he'll learn |
| [17:25:05] | justinh: | caught up with him & attached the lead again.. he was obviously loving it. little bastard. seemed to like my lack of patience all the way home too, walked to heel eventually. makes me wonder if he's craving discipline sometimes. I know I'm too soft |
| [17:26:01] | dacs: | :d |
| [17:26:09] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: My dog is same. They *do* crave discipline |
| [17:26:34] | iamlindoro_: | sometimes I'll order her around just to remind her who's boss, it's good for them (no joke intended) |
| [17:26:54] | justinh: | well, if it helps avoid games like that where I have to run after the blighter & risk breaking my neck.. |
| [17:27:41] | iamlindoro_: | Jesus Christ, is someone seriously bitching that they can only get 1.65x timestretch on high bitrate h.264?? |
| [17:27:41] | justinh: | aaaanyway. so dacs.. you hollered? |
| [17:27:54] | justinh: | lol |
| [17:27:57] | iamlindoro_: | "My testing Using a GeForce 9500 GT on my desktop system has been somwhat disappointing so far with respect to high timestretch speeds." |
| [17:28:03] | iamlindoro_: | This is w/r/t VDPAU, btw |
| [17:28:14] | dacs: | yeah |
| [17:28:20] | justinh: | viddypow allows timestretchy? |
| [17:28:30] | iamlindoro_: | yeah, makes impossible possible too |
| [17:28:35] | justinh: | :-O |
| [17:28:49] | GreyFoxx: | timestretch forms for me with VDPAU |
| [17:28:53] | dacs: | justinh: i wanted to apologize for being rude this morning i was a little grumpy. puls the darn thing was giving me hard time |
| [17:28:55] | GreyFoxx: | err works |
| [17:29:21] | justinh: | dacs: we all get a bit tetchy sometimes. tell me about it :) |
| [17:29:32] | iamlindoro_: | Tippy-top c2ds can manage 1.25x with HD-PVR, I know jpabq has managed quite a bit more with VDPAU assist |
| [17:30:02] | dacs: | justinh: so, infornt of the whole channel i would like to apologize for you! |
| [17:30:04] | dacs: | :D |
| [17:30:06] | justinh: | the mind boggles as to how timestretch can work with viddypow.. but carry on :) |
| [17:30:15] | dacs: | ahhhh now i feel good |
| [17:30:24] | dacs: | lol |
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| [17:30:44] | sid3windr: | you feed it stuff, it outputs stuff |
| [17:30:44] | sid3windr: | if you feed it faster, I guess it outputs faster? |
| [17:30:44] | sid3windr: | hm. I see what you mean |
| [17:31:19] | justinh: | dacs: thanks, but I didn't feel slighted – I mean I can't even remember what it was about.. ;) |
| [17:31:41] | iamlindoro_: | It helps if you remember dacs = Piper69 ;) |
| [17:32:07] | justinh: | even so.. |
| [17:32:11] | justinh: | moving on |
| [17:32:25] | ** justinh picks a thorn out of his leg. OW ** | |
| [17:33:08] | dacs: | oh darn , i am logged in with my other nick...shit |
| [17:33:19] | dacs: | my bad justinh this is Piper69 |
| [17:33:31] | justinh: | yeah I kinda figured that out |
| [17:33:40] | dacs: | good good , |
| [17:33:41] | dacs: | :) |
| [17:33:47] | dacs: | okay doky |
| [17:36:33] | justinh: | hrm. watch recordings needs 5 buttons for the centre scrolling to work properly but there's not quite enough room without reducing the font size or straying into the overscan safe area. hrm |
| [17:37:07] | iamlindoro_: | Down with overscan |
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| [17:37:11] | justinh: | cut.. the.. text.. dow.. is alw.. an opt.. |
| [17:37:33] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: nah even now themes should be overscan aware |
| [17:37:41] | iamlindoro_: | Boo |
| [17:37:44] | dustybin: | what are projectors like? can you get the same quality as you do if you was at the cinema? |
| [17:37:47] | dustybin: | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7779114.stm |
| [17:37:56] | iamlindoro_: | Some projectors are nice, some are crap |
| [17:38:12] | justinh: | dustybin: depending on the cinema & the home setup, some home setups look better |
| [17:38:28] | dustybin: | wow |
| [17:38:31] | justinh: | don't buy a crap one & it won't be crap |
| [17:38:38] | ** iamlindoro_ hearts his 1090p projector at 106 inches ** | |
| [17:38:41] | iamlindoro_: | er 1080 |
| [17:38:54] | ** dacs trying to setup his work PC to pull mythtv to finish setting it up ** | |
| [17:39:03] | iamlindoro_: | Yay 1090p, it's next years model! |
| [17:39:12] | justinh: | I've noticed a big difference in the quality of prints when I've gone to the cinema recently. some look decidedly grainy :( |
| [17:39:18] | iamlindoro_: | I'll call it "FullHDPlusTen" |
| [17:39:19] | Wagner: | wouldnt that be 2160? |
| [17:39:24] | meshe: | iamlindoro_: do you need to keep the room dark, or is the lamp bright enough? |
| [17:39:35] | justinh: | 90210P :) |
| [17:39:38] | iamlindoro_: | meshe: Sorta depends on the projector and the room |
| [17:39:52] | iamlindoro_: | meshe: Some are *awful* in lit rooms, mine behaves really nicely |
| [17:39:58] | iamlindoro_: | but you get what you pay for |
| [17:40:02] | meshe: | which one do you have? |
| [17:40:03] | justinh: | if I had a basement I could convert.. I'd build a real TV room |
| [17:40:12] | iamlindoro_: | Mitsubishi HC5000B |
| [17:40:22] | justinh: | but for the little TV I get round to watching, it'd hardly be worth it |
| [17:40:35] | iamlindoro_: | Erm, actually, not the B, just the HC5000 (B is black) |
| [17:40:48] | justinh: | not spending £1000 on a decent projector just for her to watch Emmerdale & Eastenders ffs |
| [17:41:47] | dustybin: | to hell with plasma + LCD, projector ftw |
| [17:41:57] | dustybin: | whoops im not meant to use that word |
| [17:42:02] | justinh: | dustybin: apart from the £400 bulb costs |
| [17:42:11] | dustybin: | jeeeze |
| [17:42:15] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: Jeeze if they're that much over there you're getting ripped off |
| [17:42:17] | justinh: | prices may vary |
| [17:42:22] | iamlindoro_: | Mine are $220 |
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| [17:42:44] | meshe: | would it be bad putting vga into that? |
| [17:42:45] | justinh: | how much was the projectorifyer? |
| [17:42:56] | dustybin: | iamlindoro_: does it project onto a special board or just a normal wall |
| [17:43:21] | iamlindoro_: | meshe: It has VGA inputs, I can't speak to what it looks like-- Component looks great, I'd imagine it would look the same |
| [17:43:33] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: Imported it from japan, got it half-price that way... $2200 USD |
| [17:43:40] | meshe: | nice |
| [17:43:41] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: £233 here for the lamp for your prooj. yowsa |
| [17:43:44] | meshe: | http://www.pricebat.ca/Mitsubishi-HC5000-HDTV . . . .p_10053652/ |
| [17:43:47] | iamlindoro_: | dustybin: You can project on a wall but it defeats the purpose of a high end projector. I have a special screen |
| [17:43:57] | dustybin: | nice |
| [17:44:13] | iamlindoro_: | This was a few years ago, and the price has gone done a fair bit domestically |
| [17:44:16] | justinh: | oof. two and a half grand for the HC5000 here |
| [17:44:33] | dustybin: | jeeeeeeeeeeeze |
| [17:44:45] | justinh: | yup. me no love teevee that muchy |
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| [17:45:07] | meshe: | HC5500: http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=33 . . . e=Mitsubishi |
| [17:45:09] | justinh: | I think I'd be happy enough with 720p though |
| [17:45:11] | iamlindoro_: | I had just bought my home, it was my present to myself to make the living room the home theatre-placey-thing |
| [17:45:48] | iamlindoro_: | There are some nice, cheap 720ps that do a great job |
| [17:45:52] | iamlindoro_: | < $1000 USD |
| [17:46:26] | justinh: | then a good few hundred sheckles for a decent screen... |
| [17:46:34] | justinh: | more if you want it motorised |
| [17:47:01] | iamlindoro_: | Mine is manual, always in the down position anyway |
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| [17:47:17] | iamlindoro_: | But a nice one, glass embedded, etc. |
| [17:48:05] | meshe: | i haven't even gone hidef yet so a 720 would be more than i would need |
| [17:48:10] | justinh: | then again I bet I could get a good lamp life, watching less than 2 hours every day (personally) & very rarely in daylight :) |
| [17:48:35] | justinh: | maybe when I win the lotto eh |
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| [17:49:30] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=85 |
| [17:49:34] | iamlindoro_: | Thar she be |
| [17:49:44] | iamlindoro_: | (Can't believe it's been this long and it's still on the first gallery page) |
| [17:50:13] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: the number of people who stay around longer than 20 posts can be counted on two hands ;) |
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| [17:50:30] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: Had to struggle to remember the domain name, I am totally burned by that site |
| [17:50:47] | meshe: | frankie? nice |
| [17:51:46] | justinh: | that mythtvnews.com comment about that icon might yet spur me into changing it. I feel such shame now |
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| [17:52:29] | ** iamlindoro_ wonders who frankie is ** | |
| [17:53:06] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: Which? |
| [17:53:13] | justinh: | the home icon |
| [17:53:15] | dustybin: | whos stodgy setup is this: |
| [17:53:16] | dustybin: | http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=22 |
| [17:54:38] | ** justinh drops a 32" CRT onto dustybin's head from a two storey height ** | |
| [17:54:38] | Wagner: | thats a rather large box for an epia machine |
| [17:54:41] | iamlindoro_: | ugh, you're going to make me actually go to mythtvnews |
| [17:55:04] | justinh: | Wagner: easier to cool |
| [17:55:21] | justinh: | plus it no longer houses an epia machine |
| [17:55:37] | justinh: | got rid of that junk a while back |
| [17:55:39] | iamlindoro_: | What a freaking jerk |
| [17:56:00] | meshe: | ahh, that was a different person |
| [17:56:04] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: yeah but, he did have a point |
| [17:56:25] | iamlindoro_: | "One user is saying on the users mailinglist that the new UI screens feel snappier than the old screens. Maybe because rendering them is offloaded to the GPU." |
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| [17:56:49] | iamlindoro_: | Seriously, the mythtvnews guy is up-to-date enough on some stuff that he MUST be in here |
| [17:56:58] | iamlindoro_: | come on, whoever you are, fess up and take your punishment |
| [17:57:16] | shadash: | might just read the logs |
| [17:57:19] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: people actually said that the opengl painter looked sharper, when infact.. |
| [17:58:00] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: Hey, I just want to figure out which branch I have to check out to get this gpu-accelerated UI |
| [17:58:17] | iamlindoro_: | (and no, I don't count the GL painter) |
| [17:58:26] | Chutt: | why wouldn't the gl painter count? |
| [17:58:39] | Chutt: | it accelerates all the slow parts of the ui |
| [17:58:50] | Chutt: | ie, the alpha blending |
| [17:59:16] | iamlindoro_: | Chutt: Because the comment implies some *new* feature, and OpenGL is not |
| [17:59:27] | Chutt: | it wasn't used for anything but the menus before |
| [17:59:37] | iamlindoro_: | and that's what they're speaking of. |
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| [18:00:07] | justinh: | yeah what I meant was, when the gl painter first came about folks said they'd noticed improvements everywhere. heh |
| [18:00:10] | shadash: | .22 is going to kick ass |
| [18:00:25] | Chutt: | i should mess more with the vdpau painter |
| [18:01:16] | GreyFoxx: | one thing I REALLY like with vdpau... the OSD looks awesome |
| [18:01:18] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: anyway, you get the award for best looking myth setup on that forum, easy. you lucky, lucky sod |
| [18:01:30] | GreyFoxx: | crisp, and full screen :) |
| [18:01:38] | GreyFoxx: | regardless of any zooming or res of the video |
| [18:01:47] | justinh: | amen to that! |
| [18:01:55] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: Heh |
| [18:02:08] | Chutt: | GreyFoxx, i was thinking of halving the osd dimensions for 1080p, though |
| [18:02:09] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: seriously though, it looks hella sweet |
| [18:02:16] | Chutt: | until we have a better backend renderer |
| [18:02:18] | iamlindoro_: | I like the VDPAU OSD too (although the OpenGL OSD has similar advantages) |
| [18:02:27] | Chutt: | it's silly to composite the osd in software |
| [18:02:35] | Chutt: | when there's hardware that can do it |
| [18:02:39] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: The amusing part is that I seldom drag myself downstairs to sit on the couch and watch |
| [18:02:51] | justinh: | Chutt: and do it in the blink of an eye too :) |
| [18:03:07] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: Really for guests and events, and otherwise watch stuff at the desk, but hey, saves bulb costs |
| [18:03:10] | GreyFoxx: | Not sure if I have played any 1080p, but my sdtv and 720p+1080i look great hehe |
| [18:03:29] | justinh: | hahaha someone must really love their myth system.. "My mythbox shares a storage room with the cat toilet (eeeeww!!)" |
| [18:03:51] | Chutt: | GreyFoxx, the actual osd rendering in myth gets kind of slow at 1080p |
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| [18:04:49] | GreyFoxx: | I can imagine |
| [18:05:18] | GreyFoxx: | anyone wanna come sign xmas cards to go to my companies customers for me ? |
| [18:05:21] | GreyFoxx: | I'll pay! |
| [18:05:27] | Chutt: | i'm hoping the vdpau painter works well |
| [18:05:34] | Chutt: | that'd allow some fun stuff |
| [18:06:01] | GreyFoxx: | Any idea why using the GL painter the VDPAU playback is hit or miss? |
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| [18:06:10] | Chutt: | runs out of memory |
| [18:06:15] | Chutt: | all the gl textures |
| [18:06:16] | GreyFoxx: | Though I haven't tried it since you suggested to switch to QT |
| [18:06:25] | GreyFoxx: | ahh |
| [18:06:43] | Chutt: | i was thinking of adding a image cache flush command to the painter |
| [18:06:47] | Chutt: | might help |
| [18:07:45] | GreyFoxx: | I'm hoping with the xmas break coming I can clean up my video streaming stuff to commit to mythvideo |
| [18:07:54] | GreyFoxx: | I haven'ttouched it since I got sick last month |
| [18:08:19] | iamlindoro_: | "Please note the only stylish parts: the glowing fan and the iPod connector." |
| [18:08:37] | iamlindoro_: | I am profoundly troubled that anyone thinks LEDs on fans are stylish or even remotely good |
| [18:08:53] | GreyFoxx: | I find them disturbing :) |
| [18:09:05] | iamlindoro_: | I immediately snip every Blue LED I can |
| [18:09:09] | iamlindoro_: | A man needs to sleep at night |
| [18:09:39] | sid3windr: | hm |
| [18:10:07] | sid3windr: | do you have a spare blue led for me then? :P |
| [18:10:12] | sid3windr: | the power led in my desktop died |
| [18:10:33] | iamlindoro_: | ugh, Allow me to protect your from yourself |
| [18:10:37] | iamlindoro_: | NO BLUE LEDS |
| [18:11:42] | shadash: | better than red |
| [18:11:46] | sid3windr: | the harddisk led is red |
| [18:11:47] | sid3windr: | :] |
| [18:11:57] | sid3windr: | and it's fine ;) machine is not in living nor bedroom |
| [18:13:27] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: don't come to the UK at this time of year then |
| [18:13:42] | justinh: | the streets are simply FULL of flashing blue LEDs |
| [18:14:03] | ** iamlindoro_ shudders ** | |
| [18:14:27] | justinh: | 'proud' homeowners decking their houses with gaudy displays. not a real bulb to be seen anywhere |
| [18:14:44] | meshe: | do you guys have a naming scheme for your myth boxes? |
| [18:15:04] | justinh: | backend is called mythback. frontend is called.. mythfront |
| [18:15:15] | justinh: | imaginative, n'est pas? |
| [18:15:21] | gbee: | though I'm no fan of the blue led, I think the transition to led based christmas lighting is a step in the right direction |
| [18:15:22] | meshe: | my backend's name is Holly, my frontend is Hilly and my parents Myth (back|front)end is Ace |
| [18:15:41] | iamlindoro_: | Holmes/Moriarty/Watson/Lestrade |
| [18:16:00] | justinh: | gbee: to some extent I agree, but blue & white/blue LEDs are just awful IMHO |
| [18:16:03] | gbee: | justinh: I really didn't know what you were talking about with the Blue LEDs last year, until I went to visit relatives in Manchester over the xmas period |
| [18:16:12] | justinh: | hahaha |
| [18:16:27] | dustybin: | iamlindoro_: you have 4 boxes on? what about wasting leccy? |
| [18:16:37] | justinh: | I dunno how people manage to sleep at night, with those things flashing away on the front of their house |
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| [18:17:03] | iamlindoro_: | dustybin: They're from different generations |
| [18:17:09] | meshe: | dustybin: I have 7 machines that run fulltime, my power bill averages $60//mo |
| [18:17:16] | shadash: | I was getting on a plane a couple of days ago and the pilots had xmas lights in the cockpit windows |
| [18:17:17] | iamlindoro_: | Holmes is the backend, Moriarty is the current upstairs box |
| [18:17:29] | justinh: | guy at work bought some LED xmas lights from dealextreme. very nice & all that, but the series resistors run _dangerously_ hot |
| [18:18:27] | gbee: | my machines are named after hills (well some call them mountains) which I've hiked or climbed up, a little humour thrown in too – my netbook is called Box Hill |
| [18:18:30] | dustybin: | meshe: 7 machines on 24.7???????? forget the leccy, is that necessary? |
| [18:19:08] | gbee: | which for the foreigners is a measly little mound in Surrey that the locals revere as their highest point – popular with families from London |
| [18:20:00] | meshe: | 1 firewall/gateway/dhcp server, 1 webserver/dns server, 1 myth (front|back)end, 1 laptop frontend, 1 laptop by the couch, 2 gaming computers |
| [18:20:32] | meshe: | in a 575 sq ft condo |
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| [18:20:51] | iamlindoro_: | Good lord |
| [18:20:56] | justinh: | time for me tea :) |
| [18:20:59] | iamlindoro_: | because you needed a computer every ten paces |
| [18:22:58] | meshe: | yeah, pretty much |
| [18:23:33] | shadash: | you should check out vmware/xen |
| [18:23:46] | Wagner: | ive got about that many running for ~3Ksqft |
| [18:23:48] | meshe: | i dislike having my webserver sitting live on the internet and prefer to forward 80 to it from the firewall so that has to stay that way |
| [18:24:05] | meshe: | otherwise i could consolidate those 2 |
| [18:25:03] | shadash: | I bought vmware b/c I thought it would allow me to get rid of some physical systems. Now I have the same number of physical systems + a bunch of vm's |
| [18:25:33] | dustybin: | meshe: you dont need to keep all of those on 24.7! |
| [18:25:43] | shadash: | but at least it allows for quick testing |
| [18:25:45] | sid3windr: | dustybin: I have 7 machines o n24/7 too. |
| [18:25:51] | dustybin: | jeeeeeeze |
| [18:25:54] | Wagner: | no reason for the laptops or the gaming computers to stay on |
| [18:26:14] | sid3windr: | 2 frontends 1 backend, 1 fileserver, 1 router/firewall/dhcp/watchamacallit, 2 workstations (for 2 people) |
| [18:26:23] | dustybin: | i wonder how many boxes 'clever' keeps on.... |
| [18:26:34] | sid3windr: | dustybin: imagine a cluster of 64 386's |
| [18:26:39] | dustybin: | LOL |
| [18:26:57] | iamlindoro_: | I move that clever's name always be encased in quotes from this day forth, for puposes of sarcasm |
| [18:29:01] | meshe: | i don't need to, but i prefer to, i don't see a reason to shut them down |
| [18:29:17] | meshe: | until boot time is < 2 seconds I won't change |
| [18:29:19] | sid3windr: | power is cheap where you're at though :p |
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| [18:29:28] | ** sid3windr pays 3 times that ** | |
| [18:29:30] | Wagner: | meshe: thats what standby is for |
| [18:30:07] | sid3windr: | standby doesn't work reliably under linux and doesn't keep your 12 ssh connections going ;) |
| [18:30:30] | meshe: | stanby is not fast enough |
| [18:30:52] | Wagner: | ssh keeps running on standby |
| [18:31:02] | sid3windr: | nah, not really |
| [18:31:15] | Wagner: | well it does on the nodes at work |
| [18:31:37] | Wagner: | the session comes back to life when the compute node comes out of standby |
| [18:31:39] | sid3windr: | if you're at an idle prompt perhaps. |
| [18:31:46] | sid3windr: | oh and umm |
| [18:31:50] | sid3windr: | you're talking the other way around |
| [18:32:31] | sid3windr: | if you standby the serverside -and- you're smart enough not to type anything into the windows while it's out, it'll survive |
| [18:32:40] | sid3windr: | but not if you standby your client and the server decides to send something |
| [18:33:28] | xris: | SlicerDicer: (or anyone else, for that matter) you ever get both tuners working in a comcast dvr box? |
| [18:33:43] | SlicerDicer: | I am with cableone now |
| [18:33:48] | SlicerDicer: | but I am sure it cant be that much differnet? |
| [18:34:04] | SlicerDicer: | I never got dual tuners stuff working on a single box if thats what your aasking |
| [18:35:30] | xris: | yeah.. |
| [18:35:54] | xris: | jarod finally fixed mythtv's firewire stuff last night (along with a bunch of changes to libraw1394), so I can record again. |
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| [19:05:16] | dacs: | question, did anyone had luck to setup mythTV remotly , i am trying to save some time while am at work, it is dead slow |
| [19:05:30] | Wagner: | do you have vnc installed? |
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| [19:07:16] | dacs: | Wagner: no |
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| [19:08:02] | shadash: | you can set up a custom ks.cfg file |
| [19:08:07] | Wagner: | then you cannot install mythtv |
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| [19:08:55] | shadash: | put it on the install media and do an automated install |
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| [19:09:45] | shadash: | http://damaestro.us/howtos/installing-centos- . . . ote-location |
| [19:10:09] | shadash: | it's all pretty much the same for newer versions |
| [19:10:11] | Wagner: | you need to walk though mythtv-setup from a X-server to install mythtv |
| [19:10:20] | shadash: | oh sorry I see what you mean |
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| [19:10:59] | shadash: | Wagner: if you figure out a way to do it let me know |
| [19:11:15] | shadash: | command line configure options would be nice |
| [19:11:20] | GreyFoxx: | x11vnc is your friend |
| [19:11:23] | Wagner: | shadash: its simple, you fill out the sql database on your own |
| [19:11:32] | shadash: | yea I was thinking that to |
| [19:12:42] | dustybin: | x11vnc always seems to work, i dont have much luck with other vnc servers |
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| [19:14:26] | shadash: | dustybin: what Wagner is looking of is a way to configure myth from cli |
| [19:14:42] | shadash: | so everything can be done automagically |
| [19:15:01] | GreyFoxx: | that's not what I read |
| [19:15:09] | GreyFoxx: | You mentioned automated installs, not him |
| [19:15:15] | Wagner: | im just saying thats your only other option |
| [19:15:19] | GreyFoxx: | someone just wanted to do a myth install remotely |
| [19:15:26] | GreyFoxx: | doesn't even specify cli only |
| [19:15:42] | GreyFoxx: | cli to install the app, x11vnc to run through mythtv-setup |
| [19:15:50] | shadash: | ssh -X then |
| [19:15:55] | GreyFoxx: | and if you are mass installing then do it once, bundle and drop |
| [19:15:56] | dacs: | i have vnc veiwer in my work pc |
| [19:16:08] | GreyFoxx: | the main reason I don't use X forwarding as it's slow as heck over the net |
| [19:16:21] | shadash: | yes it is |
| [19:16:34] | GreyFoxx: | x11vnc is much more useful when remote from that network |
| [19:17:53] | shadash: | I try to do everything via cli if possible |
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| [19:18:26] | shadash: | but yes vnc ould prob be better over network connections |
| [19:18:31] | shadash: | would |
| [19:19:06] | shadash: | I tried to export X from San Jose to San Diego and it was painful |
| [19:19:14] | shadash: | ssh was no problem |
| [19:19:34] | dacs: | i agree guys , but for right now, what shall i do to get this to work |
| [19:20:54] | GreyFoxx: | got the app installed already > |
| [19:20:55] | GreyFoxx: | ? |
| [19:22:50] | shadash: | start vnc server on the remote system |
| [19:23:08] | shadash: | run vnc client on the local system (pointing to remote vnc server) |
| [19:25:52] | dacs: | i install x11vnc in my linux box, but the viewier in my windows can connect |
| [19:26:29] | GreyFoxx: | have you actually run x11vnc, and is X already running on the remote box ? |
| [19:28:47] | dacs: | GreyFoxx: how can i make sure |
| [19:29:30] | dacs: | hold on just now a black xterm popped in my screen |
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| [19:34:42] | craftyguy: | any updates on support for the wintv hvr-2250 card? |
| [19:35:38] | iamlindoro_: | No |
| [19:35:45] | iamlindoro_: | (and this isn't the place to get them anyway) |
| [19:35:57] | craftyguy: | ah sorry, what would be the place? |
| [19:36:02] | iamlindoro_: | I wouldn't expect anything for a number of months |
| [19:36:05] | iamlindoro_: | #linuxtv |
| [19:36:11] | dacs: | craftyguy: linxtv |
| [19:36:23] | craftyguy: | It's a sweet-looking card |
| [19:36:36] | craftyguy: | cool, i'll check out that channel then |
| [19:37:54] | dacs: | mythbackend return this error http://paste.debian.net/23484/ |
| [19:47:12] | dacs: | can someone please help me with the above error |
| [19:48:55] | justinh: | I don't know how "ERROR: no valid capture cards are defined in the database" could be put a different way |
| [19:49:48] | justinh: | and "Could not get inputs for the capturecard. Perhaps you have forgotten to bind video sources to your card's inputs?".. speaks for itself really |
| [19:50:22] | justinh: | what it likely means is you've overlooked one or more steps in mythtv-setup |
| [19:50:44] | iamlindoro_: | They are numbered because a) They must be done in order and b) must be done in order |
| [19:50:56] | iamlindoro_: | and c) are not optional |
| [19:51:34] | justinh: | and this bit "# |
| [19:51:44] | justinh: | 2008-12–11 18:37:31.889 Failed to bind port 6543. Exiting." probably means mythbackend is already running |
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| [19:52:23] | justinh: | (more than likely by the magic of an init script) |
| [19:52:57] | iamlindoro_: | Packaged myth users – Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory since (endless) September |
| [19:54:09] | justinh: | I don't care if it'd mean less people install mythtv, I wish it didn't appear in synaptic |
| [19:54:50] | justinh: | dacs: so, what did you define as a 'video source' ? |
| [19:55:30] | iamlindoro_: | I don't mind the myth distros, I think they're kinda neat-- would just help if we enforced a rule about getting help from your packager's room with them (as #ffmpeg will only help you if you built from source) |
| [19:55:32] | dacs: | justinh: sorry this what i meant http://paste.debian.net/23486/ when i do mythtv-setup |
| [19:55:35] | justinh: | just FYI 'video source' might not mean what you (logically) THINK it means. A video source is both a way to grab a lineup of channels and listing data |
| [19:55:55] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: And what did we learn from that? Never ask the mailing list anything, ever |
| [19:56:42] | justinh: | dacs: "lirc_init failed for mythtv, see preceding messages".. means mythtv-setup didn't find a lirc remote |
| [19:57:42] | justinh: | as for the 'missing GLX' stuff.. sounds like you need to get opengl working on your X server if you want to use the opengl painter |
| [19:57:58] | dacs: | justinh: but it did pull it in my exceed session |
| [19:58:00] | dacs: | ?? |
| [19:58:12] | meshe: | should you build myth from source? or install a myth* dist? |
| [19:58:33] | justinh: | meshe: depends. personally I find all the hand-holding nothing but frustrating |
| [19:58:51] | justinh: | your exceed session? que? |
| [19:59:01] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: Some crap windows X server |
| [19:59:37] | justinh: | uhhh.. uh-oh |
| [19:59:49] | iamlindoro_: | and the magic answer is "mythtv-setup -O ThemePainter=qt && rm -rf /" |
| [19:59:58] | iamlindoro_: | Which will start great but end sadly |
| [20:00:09] | meshe: | that's just mean iamlindoro_ |
| [20:00:12] | Anduin: | meshe: use packages unless you find some reason not to |
| [20:00:17] | justinh: | where in the world is setting myth to use the gl painter by default? |
| [20:00:29] | iamlindoro_: | meshe: ;) |
| [20:00:40] | justinh: | will somebody please think of the pvr350 users? :-P |
| [20:01:08] | justinh: | oh man. my heart really isn't in reworking schedule-ui.xml |
| [20:01:14] | iamlindoro_: | I think of them all the time... roasting on hot coals, getting bamboo shoots under the thumbanils, etc. |
| [20:01:26] | meshe: | hey! |
| [20:01:34] | meshe: | the 350 works great! |
| [20:01:57] | iamlindoro_: | The 350 is a cuh-rap TV output device |
| [20:01:59] | justinh: | it won't work with mythui though, I'll pay somebody good money to ensure that |
| [20:02:09] | justinh: | :D |
| [20:02:11] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: two words, "commit access" |
| [20:02:24] | meshe: | my parent's 350 uses tv out, it works fine |
| [20:02:37] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: And judicious use of ifdef |
| [20:02:51] | meshe: | and as i've said before, the mythtv.org wiki still says it's good for tv out |
| [20:02:54] | justinh: | it's all about the viddypow these days |
| [20:03:02] | justinh: | meshe: and wikis are never wrong, of course |
| [20:03:21] | iamlindoro_: | wikis are user edited. the 350's TV out is on its way to being dropped, I would guess |
| [20:03:27] | meshe: | that's where new users are looking, so it should be fixed if it's support is dropping |
| [20:03:33] | iamlindoro_: | so fix it |
| [20:03:42] | meshe: | it's working fine for me |
| [20:03:51] | justinh: | devs are way too busy using all their free time doing worthy stuff |
| [20:04:00] | meshe: | i'm not the one changing the code |
| [20:04:10] | iamlindoro_: | Only because you're not submitting patches |
| [20:04:33] | meshe: | well, i wouldn't submit a patch that would prevent my parents myth box from workign :) |
| [20:04:41] | iamlindoro_: | I would! |
| [20:04:47] | justinh: | dacs: you've gone quiet. getting anywhere yet? |
| [20:04:56] | iamlindoro_: | anyway, no need for a patch for that |
| [20:04:58] | iamlindoro_: | just give it time |
| [20:05:11] | meshe: | what is causing the problem with the 350s? |
| [20:05:17] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: but no cards with viddypow are available in PCI :( |
| [20:05:21] | meshe: | i have the X display exporting to it |
| [20:05:24] | justinh: | meshe: bit rot |
| [20:05:32] | iamlindoro_: | When the magical day comes that it stops working and doesn't get fixed, that will be the day that justinh and I dance a happy jig |
| [20:05:46] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: that & framegrabbers |
| [20:05:49] | meshe: | why do you dislike it so much? |
| [20:06:04] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: I presume you're quoting (the no VeeDeeKAPOW on PCI thing) |
| [20:06:19] | justinh: | because its 'advantages' were overcome a long long time ago, meshe |
| [20:06:25] | dacs: | justinh: lol, no man , i will display the setup screen, like it will show progress bar and say "re-scaling themes images" but then it will only show just the background on the mythtv nothing else" |
| [20:06:42] | meshe: | single card tuner and tv-out has been overcome? |
| [20:06:48] | iamlindoro_: | The same job is done a thousand times better in a GPU now, and it has many drawbacks, not the least of which is codec support and no GL |
| [20:07:02] | justinh: | dacs: well, maybe you need to install msttcorefonts then. yeah, the core themes currently require MS fonts |
| [20:07:20] | Anduin: | meshe: just get your video on your motherboard if a single card is the goal |
| [20:07:25] | dacs: | justinh: but at home it was showing up find |
| [20:07:52] | meshe: | Anduin: it's a box that's already built and in use |
| [20:07:55] | justinh: | meshe: not only that, the alleged advantage of the pvr350 output quality is far less these days |
| [20:08:12] | justinh: | I mean, VGA card TVOUT is a whole lot better than it used to be |
| [20:08:28] | Anduin: | as someone who had both a 350 and MX440 at the time, I never could see the difference |
| [20:08:35] | justinh: | and CPUs come in flavours of > 1Ghz these days :D |
| [20:08:58] | meshe: | i wonder if I'm using it different than most, the X display is tied to the 350 TV-out, not just the Myth display, i have 0 codec issues |
| [20:09:27] | justinh: | meshe: well, software-only playback, colour space conversion, software-only scaling.. bleh |
| [20:09:29] | Anduin: | meshe: so you don't use mythtv's 350 output supprt? |
| [20:09:55] | meshe: | no, i just have the xorg.conf set to display on the 350 |
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| [20:10:31] | meshe: | that was one of the main reasons I bought that card for my parents Myth Box |
| [20:10:52] | meshe: | i eventually want to downsize it to a micro-ATX box |
| [20:11:24] | justinh: | I've considered putting everything in one box but I like silence |
| [20:11:42] | iamlindoro_: | That's what closets are for |
| [20:11:44] | justinh: | getting a full, capable system & making it silent would be tricky |
| [20:11:55] | iamlindoro_: | Oh, you know, and coats and stuff |
| [20:12:26] | meshe: | my 1U firewall server is on the floor of my hall closet :) |
| [20:12:50] | justinh: | I could do that, but it's easier to do it this way |
| [20:12:53] | meshe: | to make my backend quiet, i close the door on the entertainment center |
| [20:12:53] | iamlindoro_: | Which is six feet from the nearest computer |
| [20:13:05] | justinh: | plus my wife prefers having a physical DVD drive |
| [20:13:17] | iamlindoro_: | What's a house if you can't topple over one computer without hitting your head on another? |
| [20:13:24] | justinh: | and those cabinets people put AV gear in.. yeesh |
| [20:13:27] | meshe: | iamlindoro_: agreed |
| [20:14:23] | iamlindoro_: | Well I guess we know what happened to clever's mom, then |
| [20:14:32] | meshe: | my husband came up with this great idea the other day ;) A room, you following?... Where you keep all of your servers... Still with me? that's like temperature controlled... LOL |
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| [20:15:02] | iamlindoro_: | Oh people with actual social skills and grooming habits, what will they think of next? |
| [20:15:25] | justinh: | we have our computer room, which is mostly full of junk |
| [20:15:33] | justinh: | that's where the backend lives |
| [20:15:38] | meshe: | funniest part is, he's seen our server room at work with racks, AC... |
| [20:15:53] | justinh: | www.iwantoneofthose.com |
| [20:16:12] | ** meshe debates whether or not that's work safe ** | |
| [20:16:49] | justinh: | it is, but I was using it to illustrate a point.. (badly) |
| [20:16:55] | justinh: | i.e. he sees it, he wants it |
| [20:17:11] | meshe: | ahh, yeah :) |
| [20:17:13] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | [ot] Yeah! My power is back on.... (was off since ~2:00am due to an ice storm here in New England...) |
| [20:17:58] | iamlindoro_: | J-e-f-f-A|work: A friend living in sharon had the same problem this AM due to wind |
| [20:18:57] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro_: The Govenor said 350,000 homes in MA alone were without power, and they didn't expect to have services restored until Monday... ouch... So I was planning for the worst... |
| [20:19:13] | iamlindoro_: | It's CHILLY out there, Monday would suck |
| [20:19:38] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro_: It's going to be a high of 27F tomorrow (below freezing for our Celcius folks)... so I was trying to figure out how to keep my house warm... |
| [20:19:55] | justinh: | oh my God. proof positive that I really should stay out of touch with people I used to work with: http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v . . . 751_1386.jpg |
| [20:21:02] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro_: I called some local hardware stores to check on small generators... one place said "we've got 1 small 1000W ganerator left". I asked "How much?" – she said "$699" I hung up... the friggin thing is only worth $250 tops... jeepers... |
| [20:21:20] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: Why's that? |
| [20:21:51] | iamlindoro_: | That's a big beer. I'd like a big beer. |
| [20:21:56] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: hmm I guess you have to see the rest of the set |
| [20:22:01] | bomama: | price gouging |
| [20:22:02] | iamlindoro_: | Think they'd notice if I showed up to my 2 o' clock plastered? |
| [20:22:06] | Anusien: | no |
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| [20:22:19] | Anusien: | Did I read correctly that MythWeb does not recommend AuthType Digest? |
| [20:22:35] | iamlindoro_: | Mythweb *does* recommend digest |
| [20:22:41] | iamlindoro_: | IIRC |
| [20:22:50] | meshe: | J-e-f-f-A|work: my parents have a propane furnace that requires no electricity to operate, it looks kindof like a fireplace |
| [20:23:07] | Anusien: | I thought I read somewhere that in 0.21 Digest mode is known to cause problems. I can only seem to get Streaming working with no Authentication, oddly |
| [20:23:13] | Anusien: | Music Streaming* |
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| [20:23:23] | justinh: | ARGHHH MY EYES!!!! MY EYES!!!!!!!!! |
| [20:23:34] | iamlindoro_: | *shrug* I'm using digest with trunk, no issues noted |
| [20:23:40] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | meshe: I've got one that runs on the piped Natural gas, but it's not enough to heat my whole house... |
| [20:23:51] | ** justinh goes back to feeling superior ** | |
| [20:23:51] | iamlindoro_: | In fact last I heard htaccess was strongly discouraged |
| [20:23:54] | meshe: | J-e-f-f-A|work: yeah, you'd need a few of them |
| [20:24:15] | justinh: | hey been a while since we last went unsecured mythweb hunting innit |
| [20:24:23] | bomama: | J-e-f-f-A|work: dude, why you need the whole house heated? |
| [20:24:38] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: It's like hunting cows, 200 quadrillion results does not a hunt make |
| [20:24:48] | meshe: | first thing i noticed with mythweb what "What, no built in authentication?" |
| [20:24:52] | bomama: | J-e-f-f-A|work: in an emergency situation heat one room |
| [20:24:55] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | bomama: It would be nice to keep the basement above freezing... or pipes are going to burst and I'd have a swimming pool for a basement! ;-) |
| [20:25:01] | Anusien: | iamlindoro: music streaming works for you? |
| [20:25:04] | justinh: | meshe: what, mythtv no does dishes?! |
| [20:25:12] | Anusien: | justinh: It's a plguin |
| [20:25:18] | Anusien: | MythWash |
| [20:25:21] | meshe: | justinh: yeah, what the h**l |
| [20:25:27] | justinh: | is that like a penguin? |
| [20:25:28] | iamlindoro_: | Anusien: I don't listen to music on myth, let alone stream it |
| [20:25:30] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Anusien: Music streaming works for me. On Windoze, it asks for the id & pw, then works... |
| [20:25:30] | justinh: | I hate penguins |
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| [20:26:21] | meshe: | i'm going to redo my mythweb config so if it sees the connection coming from an internal ip it skips auth, if it comes from external it requires it |
| [20:26:30] | Anusien: | J-e-f-f-A|work: What type of authentication setup do you have? |
| [20:26:40] | bomama: | J-e-f-f-A|work: I dont buy that pipes freezing argument |
| [20:27:24] | bomama: | J-e-f-f-A|work: there are pipes outside (like sprinklers) and they havent burst |
| [20:27:26] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Anusien: humm... currently "Basic"... |
| [20:27:31] | meshe: | hehe, i've seeen pipes burst from cold, and in the Pacific North West of all places |
| [20:27:56] | bomama: | meshe: I'm not saying frozen pipes cant happen |
| [20:27:59] | Anusien: | Mytyhbuntu set it up for Digest out of the box and I've been reticent to change it; although I took off authentication for the local subnet; doesn't seem to do it though |
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| [20:28:06] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | bomama: In New england, those are plastic, and are usually drained of water before the winter. Newer systems even self-drain automatically. |
| [20:28:31] | bomama: | J-e-f-f-A|work: that's my point. drain the water |
| [20:28:50] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | bomama: So drain the water out of my house's plumbing system? |
| [20:29:01] | Anusien: | yeah |
| [20:29:09] | bomama: | J-e-f-f-A|work: yup |
| [20:29:10] | meshe: | Anusien: it's kinda setup for digest, you still have to create the auth file, i change the word digest to basic and created the authfile using htpasswd |
| [20:29:13] | iamlindoro_: | Ah, the nicks change, but it's still the same old mchou |
| [20:29:27] | Anusien: | meshe: the auth file was set up already |
| [20:29:35] | Anusien: | and i can't remember where it is |
| [20:29:43] | meshe: | you had a default password set up? |
| [20:29:50] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | bomama: I would rather just keep it above freezing. But now that the power is back on, my house is probably back up to 64F again... |
| [20:29:54] | meshe: | mine was wide open with Mythbuntu 8.10 |
| [20:30:00] | Anusien: | meshe: indeed |
| [20:30:02] | dacs: | justinh: i don't have lircd. how come it complain about it |
| [20:30:25] | justinh: | because it's designed to be used with a remote (mythtv) |
| [20:30:43] | justinh: | it's not an ERROR as such, more just a statement |
| [20:30:54] | meshe: | can you guys recommend a good remote? |
| [20:31:30] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | meshe: MCE USB – great remote, works great with MythTV. |
| [20:32:24] | meshe: | from pinnacle? |
| [20:32:28] | bomama: | meshe: you may have a decent remote receiver already |
| [20:32:34] | dacs: | justinh: coz i still can get the setup to work |
| [20:32:50] | justinh: | <3 VNC |
| [20:32:56] | justinh: | <3 FreeNX |
| [20:33:02] | meshe: | my main backend has the 350 remote, but my additional frontend doesn't have a remote yet |
| [20:33:04] | justinh: | forwarding X over SSH.. :( |
| [20:33:12] | bomama: | meshe: especially if you have a tuner card that supports xevents |
| [20:33:13] | dacs: | justinh: not vnc , xterm |
| [20:33:15] | meshe: | i hear you can get the harmony working with it |
| [20:33:16] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | meshe: Microsoft MCE USB2 – great remote – may have come down, but was like $45 for remote + receiver when I bought my two... |
| [20:33:38] | bomama: | lol |
| [20:33:46] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | justinh: Me too... ;-) NX is AWESOME! ;-) (that's what I'm using now, never go back to VNC!) |
| [20:34:15] | bomama: | J-e-f-f-A|work: $45 for a remote? I didnt even spend that much on my HDTV cards :) |
| [20:34:16] | Anusien: | J-e-f-f-A|work: So why Basic and not Digest? |
| [20:34:51] | justinh: | ahh doggy walking time once more. he's on the frickin lead this time! |
| [20:34:52] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Anusien: That's just the way I've had it set since installing it a LONG time ago – ~4 or 5 years now... |
| [20:35:14] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | justinh: ^^ yeah, required by law in this state... ;-) |
| [20:35:17] | Anusien: | What does Basic versus Digest mean? |
| [20:35:35] | bomama: | J-e-f-f-A|work: and the HDTV card has remote receiver that map to xevents |
| [20:36:13] | bomama: | J-e-f-f-A|work: and can use virtually any IR remote |
| [20:36:44] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | bomama: My first HD card was the HD-3000, cost about $250. My 2nd was the HD-5500, cost around $150 – Third was a HDHomeRun – about $140 [dual tuner though, no slots!]... I've been doing this a while... |
| [20:37:44] | bomama: | J-e-f-f-A|work: you were part of the broadcast flag scare |
| [20:37:53] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | bomama: My backend's IR blaster/receiver is a home-made buffered 'generic serial' unit. 3 Eyes, currently to 2 receivers. My 3rd receiver is now UHF remote only, so I'm working on a solution for that. |
| [20:38:29] | bomama: | J-e-f-f-A|work: there is no need for all those homebrew stuff is what I'm saying |
| [20:38:31] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | bomama: Yep. But that's ok, I don't regret it. It's a great card IMHO, even though I'm not using it anymore... I should probably put it up on eBay, or offer to sell it here... I dunno... |
| [20:39:23] | bomama: | J-e-f-f-A|work: plenty of cards these days that generate xevents |
| [20:39:29] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | bomama: Perhaps, now. But the price was right... About $5 worth of misc parts (the ones I didn't already have), and an hour or two of time. |
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| [20:40:00] | bomama: | J-e-f-f-A|work: back then, sure |
| [20:40:23] | bomama: | J-e-f-f-A|work: these days, no real reason for it |
| [20:40:25] | meshe: | i'm hoping to make a web based lirc control |
| [20:40:36] | bomama: | meshe: bah |
| [20:40:47] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | meshe: Should be pretty simple with php, but why? |
| [20:40:54] | bomama: | meshe: lirc is overrated |
| [20:41:16] | bomama: | meshe: xevents is better way to go |
| [20:41:29] | meshe: | i want to control myth frontend from our iPhones and I don't have access to a mac to write it native |
| [20:41:44] | bomama: | meshe: ??? |
| [20:41:48] | bomama: | huh??? |
| [20:42:11] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | meshe: Then you wouldn't use lirc — lirc is used to receive or send IR signals. |
| [20:42:18] | bomama: | meshe: you can control myth with iphone now |
| [20:42:21] | meshe: | it has a UDP plugin |
| [20:42:22] | iamlindoro_: | meshe: Mythweb has an iphone interface now in trunk, and I believe kormoc has completed the remote |
| [20:42:55] | meshe: | for controlling the frontends? |
| [20:42:58] | iamlindoro_: | meshe: yes |
| [20:43:01] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | ^^ said iphone interface has made me consider buying an iPod Touch... ;-) |
| [20:43:13] | iamlindoro_: | in fact you don't need an iphone for it, just pull up the remote from any mythweb |
| [20:43:40] | dacs: | i have ipod Touch just bought it 2 days ago 32G 2nd gen for $150 |
| [20:43:47] | dacs: | smokin' deal |
| [20:43:50] | meshe: | it's not showing both frontends |
| [20:43:57] | iamlindoro_: | just turn on the telnet control interface on each of your frontends, and away you go |
| [20:44:02] | iamlindoro_: | ^^^ |
| [20:44:15] | bomama: | dacs: where did you get it? |
| [20:44:16] | meshe: | and granted, a keyboard is nice, it would be nicer to know what each key does |
| [20:44:30] | dacs: | bomama: craigslist |
| [20:44:40] | bomama: | dacs: cool |
| [20:44:45] | iamlindoro_: | meshe: Can also get the "mymote" application for iphone which is a myth remote |
| [20:45:03] | meshe: | iamlindoro_: i have it, i haven't been able to get it to work |
| [20:45:21] | bomama: | meshe: it works just fine |
| [20:45:30] | iamlindoro_: | emailed the author? I think he's on the users list as well |
| [20:45:36] | meshe: | not yet |
| [20:45:59] | iamlindoro_: | I'd go that route before reinventing the wheel |
| [20:46:43] | meshe: | sometimes i enjoy reinventing the wheel, I learn a lot that way, but yeah, I'll probably contact the author first |
| [20:47:33] | meshe: | if no-one ever tried to do something better, our world would be in a sad state |
| [20:48:04] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | meshe: For a list of mythtv's keys – look at keys.txt |
| [20:48:56] | iamlindoro_: | If everyone rewrote every application they couldn't get to work, we'd have 32 quadrillion half-broken apps |
| [20:49:12] | meshe: | thank J-e-f-f-A|work |
| [20:49:17] | Anusien: | J-e-f-f-A|work: Switching to basic authentication works! |
| [20:49:52] | meshe: | iamlindoro_: lol, and a few great versions that work out of the box by learning from their predecessors |
| [20:49:55] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Anusien: yeah, Digest is probably more secure, I just haven't gotten around to fiddling with it yet... |
| [20:50:06] | Anusien: | J-e-f-f-A|work: I've heard that it doesn't work with Digest |
| [20:50:35] | iamlindoro_: | meshe: Why waste all the effort with many broken and one or two good ones? Why not just improve what exists and skip the crap? |
| [20:50:48] | iamlindoro_: | *cough* "gloss Mythtv frontend" *cough* |
| [20:50:54] | iamlindoro_: | *cough* XBMC *cough* |
| [20:51:02] | iamlindoro_: | *cough* Elisa *cough* |
| [20:51:14] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Anusien: I also don't open port 80 or 8080 from the web to my myth box... As a matter of fact, I've only been using it through an SSH tunnel for like 1+ year now... |
| [20:51:16] | meshe: | some things you can work to improve, others you can't |
| [20:51:38] | iamlindoro_: | meshe: And how would you know about the mymote as you didn't even spend any time making it run? |
| [20:51:45] | Anusien: | J-e-f-f-A|work: I might see if I change the port to be a little more secure; but I basically want to have access to my media whilst on the go since I'm moving it off my laptop and onto a samba share |
| [20:51:55] | meshe: | i can't improve on MyMote, it requires a mac and I'm not even sure the source is there |
| [20:52:15] | meshe: | iamlindoro_: I spent an hour working on MyMote before I put it aside for more pressing issues |
| [20:52:20] | bomama: | meshe: mymote does not require a mac |
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| [20:52:30] | Anusien: | Now i just need to fiugre out why everything shows up 2x in mythweb |
| [20:52:59] | meshe: | bomama: it's an iphone app, it requires a mac to compile the code |
| [20:53:18] | meshe: | or at least a hackintosh |
| [20:53:24] | bomama: | meshe: and the source for mymote is available |
| [20:53:28] | meshe: | neither of which i have a the moment |
| [20:53:52] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Hey, Hackintosh is much better than Winblows... ;-) |
| [20:54:18] | shadash: | linux is better an both |
| [20:54:23] | shadash: | than |
| [20:54:27] | bomama: | lol |
| [20:54:27] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work agrees. ;-) ** | |
| [20:55:01] | dacs: | justinh: so what you think i should do, for not getting any font in myth-setup over xterm |
| [20:55:10] | justinh: | no idea |
| [20:55:27] | justinh: | ah you might also try what iamlindoro_ said earlier |
| [20:55:36] | justinh: | mythtv-setup -O ThemePainter=qt |
| [20:55:40] | iamlindoro_: | minus the "rm your hard drive bit" |
| [20:56:05] | dacs: | i missed that |
| [20:56:16] | dacs: | iamlindoro what you suggest again , sorry |
| [20:56:21] | justinh: | pay attention 007 |
| [20:56:26] | justinh: | mythtv-setup -O ThemePainter=qt |
| [20:56:34] | ** iamlindoro_ smacks dacs on the back of the head, points upwards ** | |
| [20:56:35] | dacs: | ok |
| [20:56:45] | dacs: | lol |
| [20:56:48] | dacs: | outch |
| [20:57:02] | justinh: | opengl no worky over remote X connections! |
| [20:57:16] | justinh: | or VNC, come to think.... |
| [20:57:24] | Wagner: | iamlindoro: seems mythtube release 14 is messed up |
| [20:57:30] | justinh: | nor freenx, more than likely |
| [20:57:38] | iamlindoro_: | Wagner: How so? |
| [20:57:47] | Wagner: | its trying to pull ../../themedummy.c rather than ../../themes/dummy.c |
| [20:57:48] | iamlindoro_: | Wagner: Pretty sure greyfoxx had it working |
| [20:58:54] | Wagner: | at least i assume thats the issue |
| [20:59:00] | dacs: | 2008-12–11 19:58:37.544 Using the Qt painter |
| [20:59:01] | dacs: | mythtv: could not connect to socket |
| [20:59:02] | dacs: | mythtv: No such file or directory |
| [20:59:26] | iamlindoro_: | Wagner: what issue are you seeing? I haven't touched that file, ever |
| [20:59:55] | Wagner: | it built everything in ./mythtube |
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| [21:00:03] | Wagner: | its now trying to build in ./theme |
| [21:00:25] | justinh: | dacs: those last 2 are just the warnings about lirc again. ignore them |
| [21:00:27] | iamlindoro_: | Wagner: Just pulled the source, untared, and made cleanly |
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| [21:01:00] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | mythfrontend using QT painter works just fine on NX session here.... |
| [21:01:00] | Wagner: | ok, ill mess around with it and try to see whats wrong |
| [21:01:01] | Wagner: | ls |
| [21:01:19] | dacs: | justinh: yeah , and still just see the mythtv gray background after it say re-scalling theme images |
| [21:01:43] | justinh: | no idea then sorry |
| [21:01:54] | iamlindoro_: | Wagner: Yeah, just did it again... you did patch with the stuff in contrib, right? |
| [21:02:27] | iamlindoro_: | Wagner: patch configure mythtube/contrib/configure.patch |
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| [21:02:51] | Wagner: | didnt know of anything in contrib, just following the readme in the tarball from trac |
| [21:03:05] | dacs: | what is this -->Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display "localhost:10.0" |
| [21:03:18] | iamlindoro_: | Wagner: Ignore that, out of date |
| [21:03:33] | iamlindoro_: | Wagner: run the patch above, rerun plugins configure, and it should make fine |
| [21:03:36] | Wagner: | proper directions should be on the ticket in trac? |
| [21:03:58] | iamlindoro_: | Wagner: They *are* |
| [21:04:28] | iamlindoro_: | See my comment four months ago |
| [21:04:38] | Wagner: | will do, thanks |
| [21:04:51] | iamlindoro_: | anyway, patching is only necessary until when/if it gets committed |
| [21:05:22] | iamlindoro_: | but all you need to do is patch configure with the included patch, and library.xml (/usr/share/mythtv/library.xml) with the other one, then build plugins as normal |
| [21:05:41] | Wagner: | ah, i unpacked to the wrong directory entirely |
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| [21:06:20] | Wagner: | theres the themedummy.c it was complaining for |
| [21:08:07] | iamlindoro_: | yeah, needs to be from the plugins dir |
| [21:08:43] | iamlindoro_: | added build instructions to the ticket for clarity |
| [21:09:02] | iamlindoro_: | ugh, missed a carriage return, oh well |
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| [21:12:00] | iamlindoro_: | Wagner: build okay now? |
| [21:12:36] | Wagner: | missing some qt3 dependency now, something needing fixing on my end |
| [21:12:51] | iamlindoro_: | Erm... shouldn't be any qt3 in there at all |
| [21:13:42] | Wagner: | configure in ./i18n got hosed then |
| [21:13:48] | iamlindoro_: | if you ran that qmake and it was qmake-qt3, then you might have some wedged makefiles |
| [21:13:57] | dacs: | iamlindoro hate to bug you there but do u suggest anything else, or should i just man it up and wait until i go home |
| [21:14:11] | iamlindoro_: | Wagner: There's the qt3support bit, but that's from qt4 AFAIK |
| [21:14:32] | iamlindoro_: | dacs: Nothing that comes to mind, I would expect your environment isn't compatible with forwarding qt |
| [21:15:17] | iamlindoro_: | Wagner: Actually, you appear to be right, looks like he copied the internationalization stuff from a qt3 dir, grrrr |
| [21:15:20] | dacs: | yeah i even did DISPLAY="`who am i | cut -f2 -d'(' | cut -f1 -d')' | cut -f1 -d':'`:0.0" just to be sure |
| [21:15:24] | dacs: | and no luck |
| [21:15:33] | dacs: | oh well , i tried |
| [21:15:41] | iamlindoro_: | Wagner: Will fix later. ATM having qt3 present should work fine, I'll fix the dep tonight |
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| [21:21:35] | iamlindoro_: | Wagner: Fixed (hopefully) version uploaded, including correct README |
| [21:23:29] | iamlindoro_: | Wagner: Progress? |
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| [21:26:21] | sphery: | gbee: regarding your processor usage, audio upmix (if anything other than passive) can also be rather processor intensive |
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| [21:33:26] | gbee: | justinh: have you ever watched The Last Detective ? |
| [21:33:52] | gbee: | because the credit/title style reminds me of a certain theme |
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| [21:42:13] | iamlindoro_: | Children playing with crayons reminds me of GANT |
| [21:42:21] | clintar (clintar!n=clintar@64.244.102.130) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [21:42:41] | kormoc: | Mmm... GNAT |
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| [21:43:19] | iamlindoro_: | Arrange 8 of everything in a hexagon to simulate segmented eyes, GNAT-wide |
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| [21:47:40] | justinh: | last detective? nope |
| [21:48:18] | kormoc: | gbee, you can never prove that he did! Muhahahahaha! |
| [21:48:33] | justinh: | which theme anyway? |
| [21:49:23] | gbee: | it's only a passing similarity, but it made me think of it and lets face it, since it's just white lines it's not that remarkable |
| [21:49:29] | gbee: | new one |
| [21:49:39] | justinh: | peter davison & sean hughes? nah never even heard of it til now |
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| [21:50:08] | gbee: | recorded a couple of episodes just to see what it was like |
| [21:50:28] | justinh: | if you must know I nicked the white lines idea from that theme which ripped blootube-wide off & set about porting an XBMC skin |
| [21:50:53] | justinh: | I also updated GANT's selectbar to that style since I felt it worked better than the orange smudg |
| [21:50:57] | justinh: | e |
| [21:51:13] | justinh: | and since nobody complained I figured it was ok ;0 |
| [21:51:22] | gbee: | really apart from a couple of parallel white horizantal lines, a small white circle and a similar font that's where the resemblence ends |
| [21:52:01] | justinh: | I might yet rip out the background & go with the pastel hues I've considered |
| [21:52:27] | gbee: | oh and the parallel white lines taper out at the ends in the same way |
| [21:53:30] | justinh: | heh what's in a selectbar...? |
| [21:54:07] | justinh: | for all anybody knows I scanned it from a drawing I did at primary school :) |
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| [21:54:37] | justinh: | hmmm the manual recording schedule screen is awfully... mundane |
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| [21:57:15] | justinh: | oo but I have to hack on basebuttonlist2 I think |
| [21:57:44] | justinh: | and baseeverything. heheheheh |
| [21:58:11] | kormoc: | basebuttonlist2? That's just... wrong... |
| [21:58:36] | laga: | basebuttonlist_sqrt(2) |
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| [22:01:31] | kormoc: | basebuttonlist_to_infinity_and_beyond |
| [22:01:36] | Wagner: | iamlindoro_: sorry, stepped out for a bit |
| [22:01:51] | Wagner: | the i18n stuff builds just fine now, thanks |
| [22:02:04] | iamlindoro_: | Wagner: Good, just wanted to be sure-- fixed that now, thanks for letting me know |
| [22:02:26] | justinh: | ahhh... all basebuttonlist2 is, is "<!-- Base definition of a buttonlist in wide configuration -->" |
| [22:02:35] | justinh: | so I can call mine basebuttonlist |
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| [22:04:59] | mkrufky: | does anybody use the IR on the HVR1300 ? |
| [22:05:58] | jsumners (jsumners!n=jsumners@208.65.91.109) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [22:07:12] | jsumners: | i'm trying to output all sound over an optical link. all iec958 devices are unmutted via alsamixer. i'm using the asound.conf from http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Configuring_Digital_Sound . but no matter what i do, i cannot get any sound. any ideas? |
| [22:07:40] | shadash: | is it muted? |
| [22:07:50] | jsumners: | no |
| [22:08:09] | shadash: | does it work non-optical? |
| [22:08:14] | gbee: | justinh: really? thought I'd deleted that one |
| [22:08:28] | jsumners: | shadash: yes, i get sound from the analog connection |
| [22:09:06] | shadash: | well that eliminates the muteing problem as long as both use alsa |
| [22:09:53] | shadash: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Enabling . . . SPDIF_output |
| [22:09:58] | jsumners: | shadash: yes. both are using alsa. i just retested it with `mplayer -ao alsa:device=analog` and got sound |
| [22:10:08] | shadash: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/How_to_b . . . PDIF_bracket |
| [22:10:20] | jsumners: | i'm reading it now |
| [22:10:20] | shadash: | I'm assuming you've reviewed both those links |
| [22:12:02] | shadash: | here's another good link http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Configur . . . C3_and_SPDIF |
| [22:13:36] | justinh: | gbee: buttonlist2 maybe, but not basebuttonlist2 ;) |
| [22:13:47] | Anusien: | kormoc: I fixed my MythWeb issue. Switched to basic Authentication and it works now. Great tool |
| [22:14:16] | justinh: | rghh my head is fried. I can't deal with all these changes in one go |
| [22:14:41] | justinh: | the devil is now in the fiddly little bits |
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| [22:15:47] | kormoc: | Anusien, weird, but good to know :) |
| [22:16:14] | jsumners: | shadash: i've read through all of that and am still stuck without sound |
| [22:16:31] | Anusien: | kormoc: I saw reference somewhere that IE handles digset pooorly. Apparently that extends to VLC and WMPlayer too |
| [22:16:57] | Anusien: | kormoc: I may look into digest everywhere but for the streaming files themselves and report back |
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| [22:17:38] | elprespufferfish: | anybody know if mythvideo can play flv? |
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| [22:18:09] | iamlindoro_: | yes |
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| [22:21:51] | jordo2323: | I am looking to build a myth box that supports HD including non-clear channels from a digital cable feed. I am pretty open to the parts and configuration. Is there a list of components that I could use as a recipe to build this unit? |
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| [22:22:06] | xris: | jordo2323: can't play non-clear channels |
| [22:22:10] | justinh: | you can only record uncrippled channels directly |
| [22:22:20] | iamlindoro_: | jordo2323: If you intend to capture non-clear, you would need to capture analog outputs. |
| [22:22:29] | xris: | though some providers do expose all paid-for channels via firewire |
| [22:22:34] | jordo2323: | like with hd pvr you mean |
| [22:23:00] | justinh: | to record encrippled channels you need to first go through a set top box and into an analogue capture card, unless you're one of the lucky 1% who get everything they pay for over a STB's firewire output |
| [22:23:18] | jordo2323: | that's what I gathered, thanks for confirming |
| [22:23:32] | xris: | justinh: there is a component-video encoder card from hauppauge that could also work, but I don't know the status of the linux drivers |
| [22:23:48] | xris: | it *will* do HD, in theory |
| [22:23:49] | mkrufky: | eww... new MCE encrypts all recordings.... even if they were received from clear transmissions |
| [22:23:56] | xris: | jordo2323: but if firewire works, it's your best option |
| [22:23:59] | justinh: | oh a new actual card? heh |
| [22:23:59] | ** mkrufky will stick with mythtv forever ** | |
| [22:24:06] | iamlindoro_: | The HD-PVR is working well enough in linux, just needs some more work |
| [22:24:10] | justinh: | I knew about the hdpvr already but not a card per se |
| [22:24:21] | xris: | justinh: card/device/whatever. :) |
| [22:24:46] | xris: | jordo2323: if you want a good atsc/clearqam tuner, I'd recommend the silicondust hdhomerun. |
| [22:25:00] | kormoc: | justinh, you could take it out of it's box and have it hook directly into a mobo usb header... |
| [22:25:07] | justinh: | and then the hdpvr is only good for as long as STBs output component :) |
| [22:25:09] | iamlindoro_: | kormoc: I am working on just that, in fact |
| [22:25:26] | iamlindoro_: | + HDFury and an HDMI port for HDMI capture in a nice sexy port |
| [22:26:28] | justinh: | surprised HDFury hasn't been sued out of existence yet |
| [22:26:47] | RyeBrye: | with what they charge, they can afford lawyers |
| [22:26:51] | Wagner: | its not a HDCP stripper |
| [22:26:56] | Wagner: | its HDMI to analog |
| [22:27:08] | iamlindoro_: | Wagner: It is an HDCP stripper |
| [22:27:33] | Wagner: | the reduced resolution output isnt mandatory for licensed devices yet is it? |
| [22:27:40] | justinh: | ssshhh the feds are listening |
| [22:27:48] | iamlindoro_: | no, and it's not licensed anyway |
| [22:27:56] | elprespufferfish: | is there a way to set a file to repeat in mythvideo? |
| [22:27:59] | iamlindoro_: | ICT is a feature of bluray/HD-DVD only |
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| [22:28:05] | iamlindoro_: | not of HDCP itself |
| [22:28:15] | Wagner: | ah |
| [22:28:15] | justinh: | elprespufferfish: file to always play next.. make that the same file :) |
| [22:28:53] | elprespufferfish: | justinh, where do i set that? |
| [22:29:06] | justinh: | elprespufferfish: setting up your own music video channel? :-P |
| [22:29:14] | justinh: | video manager of course |
| [22:29:14] | elprespufferfish: | sorta :p |
| [22:29:21] | elprespufferfish: | thank you |
| [22:29:37] | justinh: | edit metadata |
| [22:29:47] | elprespufferfish: | i cant set it to itself |
| [22:29:59] | jjwin2k: | is it possible to force mythtv to use a specific input for a channel? i.e. only card 1, but not card 2. (card 1 and card 2 are both associated with source 1) |
| [22:30:07] | justinh: | you can enter the filename in that field I think |
| [22:30:40] | elprespufferfish: | it's just a left/right switcher |
| [22:30:53] | xris: | jjwin2k: easier to just set up two listings sources, one for each card |
| [22:31:28] | elprespufferfish: | oh well, i'll just have a duplicate, and switch between them |
| [22:31:34] | elprespufferfish: | justinh, many thanks |
| [22:32:08] | jjwin2k: | xris: already tried that, but then mythtv doesn't use card 2 as record source (and reports conflicts..) |
| [22:37:37] | jjwin2k: | ok, next question: |
| [22:37:38] | jjwin2k: | I use two sources, both are on the same cable network (dvb-c) But only one source is filled with epg-data. i.e. either channel abc from source 1 or channel abc from source 2. |
| [22:38:37] | jjwin2k: | how do i bring mythtv to use both sources for scheduling records on a channel that is listed in both sources |
| [22:38:40] | jjwin2k: | ? |
| [22:41:28] | xris: | make sure they have the same channel number and callsign |
| [22:41:34] | jjwin2k: | i have |
| [22:41:37] | xris: | then myth will treat them as the same |
| [22:41:40] | xris: | or it's supposed to |
| [22:41:51] | jjwin2k: | i know.. but it doesn't ... |
| [22:42:20] | jjwin2k: | the problem is, that the channel on the second source doesn't have any epg informations.. |
| [22:42:33] | jjwin2k: | therfore mythtv doesn't schedule the record.. |
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| [22:49:27] | justinh: | oh thanks again BBC for another blinding programme |
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