| Monday, December 8th, 2008, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:18] | denken: | same computer, same player (mythfrontend), same recording |
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| [00:00:53] | kormoc: | _aegis, how's it any more crippled then satellite? |
| [00:00:54] | directhex: | denken, i can imagine that happeing if you have serious I/O issues |
| [00:01:15] | directhex: | denken, as in "not enough for both saving AND playing at the same time" |
| [00:01:21] | kormoc: | denken, run top, see how much of the cpu time is in IO WAIT mode? |
| [00:01:31] | denken: | directhex: yeah im not seeing any high iowait on any of the three machines |
| [00:01:47] | denken: | machine a is the capture backend, machine b is the storage server, machine c is teh frontend |
| [00:02:09] | hads: | Network congestion? |
| [00:02:55] | denken: | they are all on a cisco 4900 series |
| [00:02:58] | denken: | 100mbit |
| [00:03:03] | denken: | its possible i suppose |
| [00:03:06] | denken: | but that'd be a stretch |
| [00:03:41] | hads: | Well if you are recording to a storage server and streaming from it at the same time then it comes to mind. |
| [00:04:04] | _aegis: | kormoc: I believe Verizon makes it so you cannot use MythTV for anything over channel 49... AND you still have to rent their $15+ per month STB's. |
| [00:04:11] | hads: | Does it happen if you are watching an in-progress recording? |
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| [00:04:26] | denken: | hads: thats the next thing i was going to try :) |
| [00:04:30] | denken: | lemme poke around here for asec |
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| [00:06:07] | denken: | nope, smooth as glass when playing back an in-progress recording |
| [00:06:17] | denken: | network congestion doesnt appear to be the issue either |
| [00:07:51] | denken: | fyi, i just tapped 'r' during some choppy HD playback, then went and replayed that same in-progress stream |
| [00:08:03] | denken: | very strange |
| [00:08:05] | kormoc: | _aegis, erm... all the things like that (Satellite, Digital Cable) require you to use their cable box, and they have no control over preventing myth from using channels but allowing tvs to... |
| [00:16:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | 0 |
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| [00:18:23] | denken: | a quandary |
| [00:19:31] | kormoc: | denken, if during playback of live tv, if you pause the stream for say 15/30 seconds and then continue, does it work then? |
| [00:19:44] | ojg: | good night |
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| [00:19:56] | denken: | kormoc: no, i tried that earlier |
| [00:19:59] | denken: | no effect |
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| [00:20:29] | denken: | i was thinking some kind of buffering problem but no, it doesnt appear that way |
| [00:20:51] | denken: | its not load, iowait, network traffic or latency, hardware playback ability... |
| [00:21:24] | denken: | the only difference i can see is that in one case im watching "live" (buffered) tv, and in the other playing it back from the list of recorded files |
| [00:21:27] | denken: | which is silly |
| [00:21:30] | denken: | they are essentially identical |
| [00:21:45] | kormoc: | so fiddle with the HDRingBuffer settings? |
| [00:22:20] | denken: | i haven tried that at all, not knowing much abotu what it does |
| [00:22:25] | denken: | ill try that though |
| [00:23:42] | Dibblah: | denken: NFS? |
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| [00:23:57] | denken: | Dibblah: yes |
| [00:24:03] | Dibblah: | Look up actimeo. |
| [00:24:10] | denken: | k |
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| [00:24:24] | Dibblah: | You're probably hitting the "end" of the recording file, as the NFS attributes are cached. |
| [00:24:34] | denken: | interesting |
| [00:24:38] | Dibblah: | Easiest is to avoid it and just use streaming. |
| [00:24:43] | Dibblah: | It's an nfs mount option. |
| [00:25:09] | denken: | streaming-only is certainly an acceptable option |
| [00:26:14] | _aegis: | what tuner do you guys recommend? I'd like to use HDTV and be able to record (at least) one show and watch another another the same time. |
| [00:26:22] | hads: | Depends where you are |
| [00:26:34] | _aegis: | Sorry, United States... NJ |
| [00:26:52] | kormoc: | and your provider? |
| [00:27:17] | kormoc: | cause if you're not doing OTA, you're likely gonna need to rent more then one STB to get what you want |
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| [00:28:05] | _aegis: | Verizon FiOS for now |
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| [00:28:14] | _aegis: | but I'll probably use OTA |
| [00:28:31] | _aegis: | in addition, if that's possible. |
| [00:29:18] | _aegis: | I was looking at this: WinTV-HVR-2250 Dual Tuner PCI Express TV tuner |
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| [00:29:25] | denken: | for OTA HD, im enjoying the pchdtv 5500 |
| [00:29:37] | denken: | its a single tuner though |
| [00:30:02] | _aegis: | denken: did you mount an exterior ant for OTA reception? |
| [00:30:11] | denken: | not yet but i plan on it |
| [00:30:30] | _aegis: | interesting... |
| [00:33:14] | denken: | the 5500 will do two streams of a single multiplexed channel too which is neat |
| [00:33:20] | denken: | but in practice, it doesnt get used much |
| [00:33:40] | denken: | i ended up going with two 5500's, a PVR-150 and a PVR-350 |
| [00:34:38] | Dibblah: | Any DVB card (almost) can read all channels on a MUX. |
| [00:34:55] | Dibblah: | The exceptions are bandwidth limitations – Like USB1 cards. |
| [00:35:32] | Dibblah: | Quite a few cards, in fact, have no PID filtering in hardware – It's all done by the driver. |
| [00:35:42] | denken: | interesting |
| [00:36:03] | kdubya: | and they all cost less than a 5500 |
| [00:36:03] | kdubya: | heh |
| [00:36:39] | ** denken shrugs ** | |
| [00:36:47] | denken: | you asked for a recommendation :P |
| [00:37:26] | d0nets: | hey i had a cool idear |
| [00:37:48] | d0nets: | what if you had an app that allowed musicians to play together online, and it compinsates for the latency by a buffer? |
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| [00:38:30] | kdubya: | Right. |
| [00:38:38] | d0nets: | im high forgive me , haha |
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| [00:39:44] | kormoc: | d0nets, ... topic please... |
| [00:39:59] | d0nets: | yea yea sorry im |
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| [00:40:55] | d0nets: | im sorry * |
| [00:44:04] | kdubya: | man vdpau is awesome |
| [00:44:18] | kdubya: | i was about to ditch myth because hd was such a pain |
| [00:45:08] | kdubya: | i can play a blu ray rip at 2x that would not even play well enough to watch without vdpau |
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| [00:55:50] | Wicked: | hmm kdubya how are u using that? |
| [00:57:13] | mattwj2002: | Man I want a big TV |
| [00:57:15] | mattwj2002: | :( |
| [00:57:33] | mattwj2002: | they have nice 52 inch ones at Wal-mart for $1000 |
| [00:58:54] | denken: | Dibblah: am i wrong in thinking that pausing the live tv playback for 30 seconds or so should make that problem go away, if it is in fact an nfs issue? |
| [00:59:16] | denken: | actimeo=0 actually makes things worse if anything |
| [00:59:40] | denken: | and by go away, i mean without making any other changes to nfs or anything else |
| [01:00:53] | keith_: | mattwj2002: better off spending that on a nice projector + screen |
| [01:01:19] | mattwj2002: | why do you say that? |
| [01:01:49] | mattwj2002: | a project would won't work well in a bright room |
| [01:02:40] | keith_: | the right projector and screen combo would |
| [01:02:41] | kormoc: | denken, try turning on 'Always stream from backend'? |
| [01:02:47] | keith_: | Wicked: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Njg4Ng |
| [01:03:18] | denken: | kormoc: streaming only isnt actually an option, now that ive gave half a thought to my architecture |
| [01:03:25] | Wicked: | oh cool thanks keith_ |
| [01:03:32] | denken: | the master backend is a xen domU running on the storage server :) |
| [01:03:40] | keith_: | oh jeez |
| [01:03:54] | keith_: | timing sensitive stuff + xen = SAD FACE |
| [01:03:58] | denken: | so an HD stream goes: slave backedn -> nfs -> storage server -> domU -> frontend |
| [01:04:42] | denken: | but again, if its just a timing issue, wouldnt pausing the stream make the choppiness go away? |
| [01:04:45] | bsdfox: | seems like a lot of wasted bandwidth to me |
| [01:04:50] | denken: | a recorded streams plays back fine |
| [01:05:13] | keith_: | too many interrupts |
| [01:05:28] | keith_: | bad bad |
| [01:05:59] | bsdfox: | denken: why even have slave backends |
| [01:06:41] | denken: | bsdfox: physical location |
| [01:06:54] | denken: | the HD tuners have to be on the first floor to get a signal |
| [01:07:02] | denken: | everything else in a wiring closet |
| [01:07:09] | denken: | all teh switchgear and storage systems |
| [01:07:18] | denken: | the routers, everything really |
| [01:07:35] | denken: | and the frontend im using right now is in yet another room |
| [01:09:34] | denken: | i should mention there is the Wife Acceptance Factor involved too :) |
| [01:09:50] | denken: | else i'd probably just have all my switchgear in a pile in the first floor living room |
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| [01:16:50] | Dibblah: | You have WAF involved... And you put the MBE in a DomU? Odd decision. |
| [01:16:58] | leop: | I'm still having problem getting myth to scan for channels using TwinHan 1020A DVB-S although it is listed in LinuxTV |
| [01:18:19] | denken: | Dibblah: :) |
| [01:18:47] | denken: | Dibblah: the thinking was that i could still do all the master backend functions if i ever take either of the slave backends offline |
| [01:18:54] | denken: | watch recordings, schedule shows, etc. |
| [01:19:09] | Dibblah: | So leave it on the physical hardware. |
| [01:19:51] | denken: | you think the issue has something to do with the MBE being in a domU then? |
| [01:20:50] | denken: | i do crazy stuff like vlan bridging and firewalling/routing in domU's too :) |
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| [01:26:36] | denken: | ive got a couple spare opteron boards. i suppose i could try moving the MBE onto some dedicated hardware. |
| [01:26:50] | denken: | the storage will always be on the xen dom0 though |
| [01:27:01] | denken: | its got all the disks and sata controllers |
| [01:41:55] | kdubya: | heh, unventilated cabinets get hot REALLY fast |
| [01:42:08] | kdubya: | guess i need to cut some holes in this thing |
| [01:43:30] | denken: | that would probably work |
| [01:44:26] | kdubya: | i shut the door for 10 minutes, and the case is already almost too hot to touch |
| [01:44:36] | kdubya: | im suprised the motherboard didnt shut down |
| [01:45:38] | kormoc: | denken, why wouldn't always stream work? |
| [01:46:41] | denken: | kormoc: the frontend in question isnt using nfs directly anyway, and the slave backend and master both share storage via nfs |
| [01:46:44] | denken: | cant really turn that off |
| [01:47:12] | kormoc: | well, if the frontend isn't using nfs, then you area already 'always streaming' |
| [01:47:25] | kormoc: | so it's not that it wouldn't work, it just wouldn't change anything, slightly different :) |
| [01:47:37] | denken: | fair enough :) |
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| [01:51:20] | denken: | well, ill play more with this tomorrow |
| [01:51:31] | denken: | i suppose if all else fails, ill set up a dedicated mbe |
| [01:51:44] | denken: | Dibblah and kormoc thanks for the help |
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| [02:48:37] | orangey: | hey all! |
| [02:48:45] | orangey: | I'm having some trouble watching live tv. |
| [02:48:54] | orangey: | I get: 2008-12–07 21:37:17.844 GetEntryAt(-1) failed. |
| [02:48:54] | orangey: | 2008-12–07 21:37:17.845 EntryToProgram(0@Wed Dec 31 19:00:00 1969) failed to get pginfo |
| [02:49:11] | orangey: | I've searched for it, but everybody says to get the configuration settings right, which they are.. |
| [02:50:26] | kormoc: | well |
| [02:50:32] | kormoc: | are you sure your guide data is correct? |
| [02:50:40] | orangey: | the program guide is impeccable |
| [02:50:54] | kormoc: | well, that date it gives is a bit... odd... |
| [02:51:04] | orangey: | $ date |
| [02:51:04] | orangey: | Sun Dec 7 21:50:59 EST 2008 |
| [02:51:28] | kormoc: | more it thinks the program it's attempting to view is Wed Dec 31 19:00:00 1969 on channel 0 |
| [02:51:39] | orangey: | listing status: "There is guide data until 2008-12–21 |
| [02:51:57] | kormoc: | could try changing the start channel to something non-zero |
| [02:52:05] | orangey: | the start channel where? |
| [02:52:07] | orangey: | I have it set to 2 |
| [02:52:25] | kormoc: | well, then it really shouldn't be attempting to view channel 0 |
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| [02:52:52] | orangey: | "Starting channel: 2" |
| [02:53:10] | kormoc: | and yet it says channel 0 in the program info |
| [02:53:11] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [02:54:03] | orangey: | can I somehow change the start channel from mythfrontend? |
| [02:55:18] | kdubya: | you can set it to start on the last channel you were watching i believe |
| [02:56:06] | kormoc: | it's in mythtv setup |
| [02:56:31] | orangey: | any idea which database table it might be? |
| [02:58:54] | kdubya: | you got some sort of allergy to mythtv-setup? |
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| [03:00:41] | orangey: | hmmm. |
| [03:00:51] | orangey: | kdubya: I didn't come here the moment a problem arose. |
| [03:01:01] | orangey: | if you have a suggestion about something in mythtv-setup that might help, please go ahead. |
| [03:01:15] | orangey: | otherwise, I've been through every setup item pretty thoroughly and don't think that's the problem. |
| [03:01:45] | kdubya: | oh, i didnt know you had a problem i just thought you wanted to change the starting channel without using mytthv-setup |
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| [03:02:22] | orangey: | kdubya: |
| [03:02:31] | orangey: | nope. The problem is: GetEntryAt(-1) failed. |
| [03:02:31] | orangey: | 2008-12–07 21:59:07.591 EntryToProgram(0@Wed Dec 31 19:00:00 1969) failed to get pginfo |
| [03:02:35] | orangey: | which appears quite common. |
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| [03:02:41] | orangey: | but there is no solution that I can find around. |
| [03:03:20] | kdubya: | your recordings work but not livetv? |
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| [03:03:30] | orangey: | exactly |
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| [03:06:56] | orangey: | god. finally. |
| [03:07:12] | orangey: | it was that mythtv runs via the mythtv user, who didn't have permissions. |
| [03:07:17] | orangey: | to the storage directory |
| [03:08:26] | CaptObviousman: | it's always permissions |
| [03:08:44] | CaptObviousman: | well, not always, but strange-ass errors that seemingly have no explanation are 80% of the time permissions errors |
| [03:10:21] | orangey: | dare I ask if there's a page with all the keyboard shortcuts? |
| [03:13:25] | kormoc: | orangey, HOW DARE YOU! Hrmph! http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Keybindings |
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| [03:19:00] | orangey: | kormoc: hehehe ; ) |
| [03:19:00] | orangey: | thanks |
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| [03:22:10] | _aegis: | Do you guys think the speed difference between 50 and 100 feet of cat5e will be noticeable on a mythtv backend? |
| [03:22:33] | keith_: | ha |
| [03:22:34] | keith_: | no |
| [03:23:03] | _aegis: | I didn't think so... I was just going to buy 100 feet so I didn't have to worry about placement... |
| [03:23:08] | kormoc: | there is no speed difference, now there *is* a latency difference, but it's so little... |
| [03:23:21] | _aegis: | I need to get from the basement to the second floor |
| [03:23:31] | _aegis: | that's what I meant... latency... |
| [03:23:46] | _aegis: | as in, pinging the server |
| [03:23:48] | _aegis: | right? |
| [03:24:09] | kdubya: | light is pretty slow, every foot counts |
| [03:24:11] | _aegis: | the ping times would be greater... but negligibly so |
| [03:24:23] | kormoc: | around 51 nanoseconds |
| [03:24:52] | _aegis: | it's still faster than sound though... |
| [03:24:54] | _aegis: | ;) |
| [03:25:31] | kormoc: | _aegis, well, if you have anything that measures ping times in nanoseconds, you'd be able to see the difference |
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| [03:26:36] | _aegis: | newegg has 100ft of cat5e for $9.99 |
| [03:27:11] | _aegis: | I don't know if that's good or not, but that works for me. |
| [03:27:32] | kdubya: | $8.01 on monoprice |
| [03:27:41] | kdubya: | monoprice always wins |
| [03:27:47] | _aegis: | thanks kdubya |
| [03:27:53] | kormoc: | Monoprice is awesome for all cables |
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| [03:28:45] | kdubya: | i like how they set their prices with no thought to marketing, who the hell charges $8.01 for something |
| [03:29:19] | kormoc: | the .01 is the mono price of course |
| [03:29:35] | _aegis: | do you guys usually run bare cable and then put the connectors on yourself? Also, do you generally install "jacks" in the wall? If so, any idea what they are called? |
| [03:30:05] | _aegis: | kormoc: what, they always charge .01? lol |
| [03:30:07] | kdubya: | get the ones with keystones |
| [03:30:32] | kormoc: | _aegis, keystones are better for sure, able to swap out the connectors are very helpful |
| [03:30:34] | _aegis: | kdubya: Sorry, unfamiliar... are those the connectors? |
| [03:30:50] | kormoc: | They're a connector type, aye |
| [03:30:58] | mattwj2002: | any women in the room? |
| [03:31:03] | kdubya: | haha |
| [03:31:07] | kormoc: | _aegis, http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartme . . . ;cp_id=10513 |
| [03:31:08] | _aegis: | awesome... thanks |
| [03:31:17] | mattwj2002: | I have a clothes question |
| [03:31:25] | ** kormoc raises an eyeborw ** | |
| [03:31:43] | mattwj2002: | would juniior size socks fit a teen girl (my sister) |
| [03:31:51] | kdubya: | get an hdmi keystone and run your hdmi through the wall |
| [03:31:54] | kdubya: | the ladies love that |
| [03:32:00] | mattwj2002: | lol |
| [03:32:06] | kdubya: | mattwj2002, junior MEANS teen girl |
| [03:32:19] | mattwj2002: | thanks |
| [03:32:20] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [03:32:21] | kormoc: | _aegis, even with a the 'toolless' connectors, having a punch is quite recommended, and if you're wiring yourself, you should get a cable tester |
| [03:32:36] | kdubya: | and it doesnt necessarily have to do with size, the clothes are just cut differently |
| [03:32:44] | kormoc: | kdubya, unless she's eightyteeny |
| [03:33:15] | ** kormoc wonders if that would be 801x or 80+1x ** | |
| [03:33:32] | mattwj2002: | no she is 16 |
| [03:33:50] | _aegis: | kormoc: I can probably borrow a cable tester from work... So I would get the keystone connectors with a keystone plate as well? |
| [03:33:54] | kdubya: | i tell you what though dude, she is going to be thrilled when she unwraps those socks |
| [03:34:16] | _aegis: | hahaha |
| [03:34:20] | kormoc: | _aegis, aye, and grab a few extra keystones incase you mess up a few, they just pop-in and out, it's nice |
| [03:34:35] | kormoc: | Hip toe socks at least? |
| [03:34:42] | mattwj2002: | well that is one of a few gifts I am gettinghere |
| [03:34:50] | mattwj2002: | *getting heer |
| [03:34:51] | mattwj2002: | grr |
| [03:34:55] | mattwj2002: | *getting her |
| [03:35:17] | _aegis: | kormoc: what's the name of the "punch" you are recommending... Should I look up cat5 punch ? |
| [03:35:20] | kormoc: | _aegis, also, print out a wiring diagram, so much easier then attempting to orient to a monitor |
| [03:35:43] | mattwj2002: | I am also getting her the complete collection of the Sims |
| [03:35:43] | kormoc: | _aegis, http://media.uxcell.com/uxcell/images/item/ca . . . 024_ux_c.jpg |
| [03:36:01] | mattwj2002: | gift certificate to Amazon |
| [03:36:14] | mattwj2002: | some make up |
| [03:36:24] | kormoc: | _aegis, that's a cheapish looking one, but the idea being it has the correct style ends to push the cable into the terminals nice and deep, and trims as well. If your work does their own cat5 wiring, they should have one |
| [03:36:33] | kdubya: | hey the phones in my place are wired with cat5, can i use that for my network? |
| [03:36:44] | kdubya: | i have no idea how they wire phones |
| [03:37:46] | _aegis: | kormoc: I /msg'd ya... you suggest making a wiring diagram for just one cable? |
| [03:38:11] | kdubya: | dont want to waste that sheet of paper eh |
| [03:39:12] | kormoc: | kdubya, likely POE (power over ethernet) and if they are VOIP, it's likely a shared data network with vlans or the like |
| [03:40:16] | kdubya: | yeah, but i dont have a phone |
| [03:40:42] | kdubya: | any way i can just plug a router somewhere and have them all be live data connections? |
| [03:40:59] | kormoc: | could always try |
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| [03:41:34] | kormoc: | could pop off the keystones and see if all 8 data lines are connected and wired correctly |
| [03:41:58] | kdubya: | ooh found the junction box |
| [03:42:18] | kdubya: | hopefully each one is wired individually from here |
| [03:42:26] | squish102: | kdubya i'm about to try the same thing in my new house |
| [03:42:49] | squish102: | all phone cables are cat5e |
| [03:43:03] | ** kormoc raises an eyebrow at squish102 ** | |
| [03:43:15] | squish102: | gonna replace the phone panel with a switch, and all end connectors |
| [03:43:32] | kormoc: | squish102, other then requiring half the pins and being |
| [03:43:44] | kormoc: | cat 3 |
| [03:43:52] | kdubya: | blah |
| [03:43:56] | kdubya: | i dont know what any of this crap is |
| [03:44:06] | squish102: | phone cables used are cat5e |
| [03:44:23] | squish102: | well that is what it says on the cables |
| [03:44:31] | kormoc: | squish102, http://www.resnet.wvu.edu/images/ethinst_prep5.jpg |
| [03:44:32] | kdubya: | i was hoping it would just be some cat5 cables plugged into some sort of switch |
| [03:44:36] | _aegis: | phones only use 2 wires |
| [03:44:43] | _aegis: | well, per line |
| [03:44:49] | kormoc: | squish102, not quite, there's a ethernet cable vs a phone cable |
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| [03:45:19] | kormoc: | they do share the same jacks at times or the same wiring, but they won't always be wired the same or have the same number of wires in the run |
| [03:45:28] | squish102: | there is an ethernet cat5e and a phone cat5e? |
| [03:45:34] | Lexridge: | is there anyway to delete no longer needed "Recording Profiles"? the "d" key does not work. |
| [03:45:50] | kormoc: | cat5 just defines the wires, their sizes and twistings and the like |
| [03:45:59] | kormoc: | the actual jack/connector defines what it can be used for |
| [03:46:02] | squish102: | jacks are all wrong, as they are rj-11 and i have to replace them all |
| [03:46:31] | kdubya: | yeah, mine are the phone deals too, but the wires are cat5 |
| [03:46:38] | kormoc: | my phone lines are not run with cat5, mine are cat3 |
| [03:46:39] | kdubya: | jacks are phone deals* |
| [03:46:50] | squish102: | so i have to take covers off, pull out cables, put new rj-45 connectors on |
| [03:46:57] | kdubya: | yeah, that |
| [03:47:03] | kormoc: | you're just lucky someone ran better cable then they needed to :) |
| [03:47:20] | kdubya: | in most relatively new construction it is cat5 |
| [03:47:20] | squish102: | all cables run in my house are cat5e, electritian just said it was easier |
| [03:47:30] | kdubya: | this place was built in 2002 |
| [03:47:35] | kormoc: | squish102, I should hope the power cables are not :P |
| [03:47:42] | squish102: | lol |
| [03:47:47] | kormoc: | Yeah, 1908 here :P |
| [03:47:57] | kdubya: | heh |
| [03:48:02] | kdubya: | well the wires aint from 1908 |
| [03:48:10] | kormoc: | well, there are a few... |
| [03:48:43] | kormoc: | I have a few runs of the non-insulated with ceramic standoffs in the basement... |
| [03:49:01] | kormoc: | I'm scared to go near them, and I don't know if they're still powered or not... |
| [03:49:48] | kdubya: | lick your fingers and grab them |
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| [03:53:38] | squish102: | kdubya so you have to replace all your plugs? |
| [03:53:59] | kdubya: | yeah |
| [03:54:12] | kdubya: | i have no idea what all this crap in the junction box is |
| [03:54:27] | kormoc: | lick your fingers and grab them |
| [03:54:42] | kdubya: | how much power is running though these? |
| [03:54:57] | kormoc: | not enough to really cause harm :P |
| [03:55:01] | kdubya: | heh |
| [03:55:17] | kormoc: | unless a phone rings, then it can jump up, but not overly deadly iir |
| [03:55:18] | kormoc: | c |
| [03:55:32] | wagnerrp: | speaking of which, i was trying to run a new phone line into one of my grandparents rooms today |
| [03:55:55] | kdubya: | well if i can get a call, then the phone company is doing something wrong |
| [03:55:56] | wagnerrp: | failed horribly |
| [03:56:13] | kdubya: | i failed the only time i tried as well |
| [03:56:27] | wagnerrp: | seems my grandpa decided to throw standards to the wind 30 years ago when he wired all that crap up |
| [03:56:36] | kdubya: | Nice. |
| [03:56:46] | wagnerrp: | the life pair changes color several times as it traverses the house |
| [03:57:11] | wagnerrp: | it also backtracks practically the entire length of the house |
| [03:57:51] | wagnerrp: | the line in is at the front of the house, but one of the phone lines at the front of the house is split off a box at the back of the house probably 60' away |
| [03:58:14] | wagnerrp: | s/life/live/ |
| [03:59:31] | wagnerrp: | so im just going to take an hour or so, put a single DSL filter at the line into the house, and then star it out from a single point |
| [03:59:43] | wagnerrp: | trash all the existing wiring |
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| [04:01:53] | orangey: | hmm. |
| [04:01:58] | orangey: | now I have another interesting problem.. |
| [04:02:53] | orangey: | My sound plays from line in just fine. |
| [04:03:05] | orangey: | but when it records, there's a nice added high pitched static. |
| [04:04:02] | orangey: | can I choose an alsa recording source? |
| [04:04:49] | Anduin: | orangey: not without patches, only oss recording for framegrabbers |
| [04:05:12] | wagnerrp: | what frequency? |
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| [04:06:34] | cheeseboy: | hi |
| [04:07:02] | cheeseboy: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Script_-_RemoveCommercials can i use that script without setting up whole mythtv ? |
| [04:07:41] | wagnerrp: | mythcommflag requires access to a properly filled out database |
| [04:07:58] | wagnerrp: | meaning a whole mythtv installation, and recordings done with mythtv |
| [04:08:31] | Anduin: | new commflag has --skipdb (though I've never used it) |
| [04:09:17] | wagnerrp: | i suppose with that, --file just becomes a file path, rather than a file lookup in the database? |
| [04:09:45] | Anduin: | I didn't actually look at the code but believe it was added to accomplish exactly this sort of use. |
| [04:10:01] | cheeseboy: | so what do i do? |
| [04:10:24] | orangey: | the really strange thing is that recording with anything else works great. |
| [04:10:34] | orangey: | only mythtv gives me problems with this high-pitched squeal when recording |
| [04:10:37] | wagnerrp: | well mythtranscode doesnt seem to work without database access |
| [04:10:54] | wagnerrp: | so you would have to dump the cutlist, reformat it to some other program, and use that other program |
| [04:11:53] | wagnerrp: | honestly, i would HIGHLY advise against using some automated commercial removal |
| [04:12:26] | wagnerrp: | mere flagging is safe, but once you are actually going to splice out video, and delete the original, i would want to check things first |
| [04:12:49] | wagnerrp: | the commflagger is pretty good, but it is by no means perfect |
| [04:14:27] | wagnerrp: | seems you can take the cutlist as an input file, possibly bypassing the database |
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| [04:17:43] | Lexridge: | I'm actually playing with the commercial flagger right now, on junk material. I have the Daily Show w/comercials flagged. However, when doing the transcode, I still end up with the exact same file....with comercials. :( |
| [04:18:35] | wagnerrp: | thats because the flag list and cut list are two separate things |
| [04:18:55] | Lexridge: | oh, how do I match them? |
| [04:19:14] | wagnerrp: | either generate the cutlist on the command line, as per the second run of mythcommflag on the above script |
| [04:19:35] | wagnerrp: | or do it in the gui, by playing the recording, opening the menu, opening the editor, and hitting 'z' |
| [04:19:51] | Lexridge: | okay, I'll try that...thanks. |
| [04:20:09] | cheeseboy: | i normally use dvbcut but its getting annying doing it all manually |
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| [04:25:43] | larzen: | question... I have myth working really well now... but the files are like 2gb for 60 min of recording... |
| [04:26:07] | larzen: | is there any way I can encode them using xvid or mpeg4 (mencoder) or even x.264 ? |
| [04:26:10] | larzen: | any examples of this? |
| [04:30:09] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp: that worked like a charm :) |
| [04:33:27] | Lexridge: | I have my buddy on the phone trying to talk him through some of this (first time myth user) and his transcode menu only ever says "stop transcoding", but mythtranscode is not running. Any ideas why? |
| [04:34:24] | larzen: | Lexridge – i am trying to get this to work now too |
| [04:35:29] | larzen: | i am hoping to get an xvid.avi file at the end of the whole thing |
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| [04:37:01] | Anduin: | Lexridge: check the job table |
| [04:37:14] | orangey: | can I record directly from my bt878? |
| [04:37:28] | Lexridge: | anduin: okay, I'll tell him this. thanks. |
| [04:44:06] | larzen: | is there any way to find out what the .mpeg file corresponds to? |
| [04:44:22] | larzen: | the .mpeg file with a big number as the name |
| [04:44:38] | _aegis: | kormoc: Are you still around? |
| [04:45:11] | larzen: | when the recording finishes, I would like to run a user job to invoke a script that will use mencoder to convert the file to an xvid format |
| [04:45:21] | kormoc: | _aegis, aye |
| [04:48:53] | _aegis: | kormoc: hey, do you know where I can find instructions for installing the faceplate? Since it's not electrical, I don't think I need any sort of box inside the wall... but what do you install that the faceplate screws into? |
| [04:50:07] | kormoc: | I've always just picked up a wall 'box' from home depo/lowes/etc, never really knew if there was a name for it or not |
| [04:50:13] | _aegis: | I suppose you could use those inserts that expand when you screw into them... |
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| [04:50:23] | _aegis: | ahhh ok... gotcha |
| [04:50:30] | larzen: | folks.. does mythtranscode run automatically if I click the option on mythweb ? |
| [04:50:39] | kormoc: | it gets queued to, aye |
| [04:50:53] | larzen: | kormoc – so the resulting mpeg will have no commercials? |
| [04:51:24] | kormoc: | larzen, if you configured it to, it'll try |
| [04:51:40] | Lexridge: | larzen: you will have to use the script I think for that to happen...otherwise the cut list does not get imported. |
| [04:52:10] | Lexridge: | at least that is what I understand from all this conversation. |
| [04:53:01] | kormoc: | you can import the cutlist by hand |
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| [04:54:35] | larzen: | Lexridge – where do you put / how do you exec this script? |
| [04:54:59] | Lexridge: | RemoveCommercials /videodir filename |
| [04:55:12] | larzen: | Lexridge – by hand? |
| [04:55:25] | larzen: | i wish to do this automatically after the show is done recording |
| [04:55:39] | Lexridge: | I think you would put the script in a user job # |
| [04:55:56] | Lexridge: | but someone who knows better should probably chime in here. |
| [04:56:49] | Lexridge: | but test the script from a shell first to make sure it works. Mine fails not being able to log log into hte database with a password failure. |
| [04:57:02] | larzen: | i think .. you are right.. but I think that MythTV does this automatically in 0.21 |
| [04:57:23] | larzen: | Lexridge – you mythcoverg db? |
| [04:57:54] | Lexridge: | yea |
| [04:58:21] | larzen: | is it default ? as in.. mythtv/mythtv? |
| [04:58:51] | Lexridge: | yea, everything is default...and it may be because I'm running the script as my own user name, and not mythtv |
| [04:59:04] | larzen: | thats exactly what it is.. |
| [04:59:09] | larzen: | otherwise you need to change the command.. |
| [04:59:10] | Lexridge: | however, my own username is a valid superuser of the mythconverg database |
| [04:59:30] | larzen: | mysql you@mythconverg |
| [05:00:21] | Lexridge: | Access denied for user 'hines_j'@'localhost' (using password: NO) |
| [05:00:41] | _aegis: | kormoc: I found a guide for doing the install... Check out the image on this page. It looks like you can install that metal frame instead of a box (a box would require mounting to a stud I believe). |
| [05:00:46] | _aegis: | http://arstechnica.com/guide/networking/installation-2.html |
| [05:01:57] | Lexridge: | larzen: I can access it using: mysql --password |
| [05:02:18] | Lexridge: | then typing my password in, of course |
| [05:02:27] | _aegis: | hahaha "Gotta watch with the jigsaw" http://arstechnica.com/guide/networking/installation-3.html |
| [05:03:08] | Lexridge: | I can also use: mysql -u mythtv --password and that works as well |
| [05:03:27] | kormoc: | _aegis, aye, that looks like it'd work. Every place I've done it has had a stud near by or the like so the mounting was super easy with a box, but that'd work great |
| [05:05:32] | larzen: | Lex.. you can set it up to run as mythtv |
| [05:07:00] | Lexridge: | larzen: yea, I assumed I could with minor mods. |
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| [05:08:47] | Lexridge: | larzen: I just wish mythtv used postgresql instead...I'm much more familar with it. :) |
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| [05:11:36] | wagnerrp: | i really wish someone would just come out and describe exactly what bitstream format different things supported |
| [05:12:11] | wagnerrp: | ive been ripping dvds to h264 for some time now, and struggled coming up with a format that the PS3 supported |
| [05:13:00] | wagnerrp: | and as a result, ive ended up with files that play on both the PS3 and (mythtvs implementation of) VDPAU, files that play on neither, and files that play on one but not the other |
| [05:13:11] | wagnerrp: | luckily my current profile seems to fall under the first category |
| [05:14:11] | t0ny-p40: | I had mythtv record something with my firewire cablebox and I want to extract a clip from but the time code is messed up. Any ideas how to fix this? Vlc says 00:00 for the whole video while mplayer starts at 15 hours. :/ |
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| [05:20:21] | Lexridge: | I have multiple identical recording profiles, and seem to not be able to delete them. Are they not deletable? |
| [05:20:50] | t0ny-p40: | Yes, I think you use the x key to delete them. |
| [05:20:55] | Lexridge: | lemme try that |
| [05:21:26] | Lexridge: | x doesnt do anything either |
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| [05:22:16] | Lexridge: | in fact, I've now typed every key, and nothing. :( |
| [05:24:39] | Lexridge: | perhaps we have discovered a bug? |
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| [05:30:20] | t0ny-p40: | tried the delete key? |
| [05:30:23] | Lexridge: | yes |
| [05:30:30] | t0ny-p40: | I had this problem too. |
| [05:30:34] | t0ny-p40: | But I did get it. :/ |
| [05:30:54] | Lexridge: | I'd hate to have to actually edit the database to get rid of them :( |
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| [05:43:51] | larzen: | i tried to queue transcoding.. got : Exit status 255, job status was "Errored" |
| [05:44:00] | larzen: | not sure if there is some command that I am missing? |
| [05:44:16] | larzen: | in mythbackend-setup i have "mythtranscode" as the only command |
| [05:44:20] | larzen: | no parameters |
| [05:45:01] | larzen: | the log has nothing in it |
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| [10:03:05] | justinh: | well, no theme work will be done today. objectionable 'music' is being played in there again |
| [10:03:27] | justinh: | so I'm staying out of there to avoid homocidal feelings |
| [10:03:52] | justinh: | s/there/the lab |
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| [11:00:34] | gbee: | :/ |
| [11:03:09] | stuarta: | >8-) |
| [11:05:15] | justinh: | oh goody. Yello is off the playlist, so is Yusuf Islam |
| [11:05:26] | justinh: | back on the wagon then :) |
| [11:06:20] | ** directhex sends the ghost of cat stevens after justinh ** | |
| [11:06:52] | justinh: | he should've stuck to making songs Boyzone could cover |
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| [11:08:37] | justinh: | yay for sftp :) |
| [11:09:50] | justinh: | http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/ . . . oncept14.png |
| [11:10:07] | directhex: | ooh, that's nice |
| [11:10:20] | justinh: | new look viddy managerererer |
| [11:11:15] | directhex: | the clock overhangs the border a smidge too much IMHO, but i like the concept |
| [11:12:10] | directhex: | wait a second..... scooby doo 2? srsly? |
| [11:12:53] | justinh: | directhex: the border isn't going to be visible |
| [11:13:51] | directhex: | shame. i think it works well, albeit with the aforementioned alignment questions |
| [11:14:52] | justinh: | I found it works well too, but it'll look poo on setups where the screen isn't 100% centred |
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| [11:19:16] | directhex: | sigh. so many concessions for people with shittiness issues |
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| [11:27:57] | justinh: | I don't even know what it looks like without the border yet |
| [11:28:04] | justinh: | it might end up staying :) |
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| [11:36:25] | justinh: | gbee: has font inheritance changed? |
| [11:36:56] | Hoxzer: | ' |
| [11:36:57] | gbee: | only slightly, instead of base="" it's from="" to match everything else |
| [11:36:57] | justinh: | yes. oops. |
| [11:38:20] | gbee: | looking good btw |
| [11:38:33] | justinh: | are font definitions in theme.xml ignored now? |
| [11:38:46] | justinh: | or is theme.xml just ignored completely? |
| [11:42:01] | justinh: | I'm a wee bit behind the times :) |
| [11:43:11] | justinh: | eew. changed the viddy filter & it segfaulted |
| [11:43:32] | directhex: | POW! |
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| [11:49:33] | justinh: | hrm. can't reprodce it now |
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| [11:51:16] | justinh: | http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/ . . . oncept15.png |
| [11:53:00] | directhex: | VERY clean. i like. |
| [11:53:41] | justinh: | good god! YOU like it? |
| [11:53:52] | justinh: | :) |
| [11:54:04] | directhex: | now, this might sound silly, but......... given mythvideo is used for movies most of the time, why use a square icon for a vertical rectangle? I've always found that odd |
| [11:54:36] | justinh: | mmyers |
| [11:54:48] | justinh: | this ain't the finished article, not by a long shot |
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| [11:56:27] | directhex: | still, i like where it's going |
| [12:02:25] | gbee: | can't be outdone :p http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/metallurgy_m . . . gallery5.png |
| [12:03:40] | justinh: | OI! |
| [12:04:37] | justinh: | there's no outdoing here.... |
| [12:04:42] | gbee: | heh, nah seriously I like the style you've gone for there |
| [12:04:52] | justinh: | we don't need no steenkeeng theem wars :) |
| [12:05:16] | justinh: | though with all this new stuff to play with I dunno if I'll ever finish this |
| [12:05:36] | gbee: | I'm a little frustrated that I'm having to work within certain limits on metallurgy, I'd much rather start from scratch |
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| [12:06:20] | gbee: | the watch recordings screen is giving me a headache because there is no room in the old design to do anything radically different |
| [12:06:51] | justinh: | I'm glad I did away with the old letterbox style |
| [12:07:26] | justinh: | http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/ . . . oncept16.png |
| [12:08:10] | justinh: | bloowhat? ProjectGrayWHAT? neon-WHAT? ;-) |
| [12:08:30] | directhex: | hehehe. nice ones, guys |
| [12:08:37] | directhex: | both of them. different directions, both good |
| [12:09:13] | justinh: | cool :) |
| [12:09:36] | justinh: | I think the squiggly bits make all the difference :P |
| [12:10:35] | directhex: | the squiggly background? |
| [12:10:52] | justinh: | I wanna know where this theme has been in all this time. why did I have to curl so much shite out before? |
| [12:11:27] | directhex: | you ate too much? |
| [12:11:34] | gbee: | experience etc |
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| [12:12:15] | justinh: | and IMHO it's sufficiently different to the 'competition' too |
| [12:12:24] | justinh: | like it's not an obvious rip of anything |
| [12:14:05] | ** justinh thinks... hmmm... 'only' 15 hours notched up so far ** | |
| [12:18:00] | gbee: | justinh: planning to use the userratingstate statetype in that browse view? |
| [12:21:26] | gbee: | not suggesting you should, I'm just looking for a screenshot that can be used as an example of how putting something like the rating in a statetype can allow the same data to be shown in very different ways |
| [12:22:48] | gbee: | someone has already talked about a bronze, silver, gold type rating images |
| [12:23:25] | gbee: | I considered making the whole background behind an item change colour according to rating |
| [12:27:15] | gbee: | or thumbs up/down, or a flashing big star for top rated films |
| [12:28:17] | gbee: | 'Good', 'Bad', 'Ugly' |
| [12:28:53] | gbee: | hell, if anyone uses exactly the same idea twice then it's only because they are lazy :) |
| [12:29:44] | stuarta: | i'm happy with the nice collection of stars you have going already |
| [12:30:05] | stuarta: | IMNSHO don't need to animate stuff just for the sake of it |
| [12:30:30] | directhex: | sure you do |
| [12:30:36] | gbee: | well the stars are the same ones I'm already using in mythmusic, I'll stick with those for metallurgy |
| [12:30:47] | directhex: | whenever a 5-star movie appears, do a drumroll, and display fireworks |
| [12:31:20] | stuarta: | hah |
| [12:32:02] | gbee: | but I think clever, tasteful use of animation is exciting, at least the new ui allows that possibility |
| [12:33:13] | stuarta: | keyword there is "tasteful" |
| [12:36:19] | directhex: | i can't WAIT to see how leafers-wide looks with the new ui ^_^ |
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| [12:36:57] | justinh: | gbee: thinking about it – but right now I'm over.. erm.. thingied by possibilities |
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| [12:37:16] | stuarta: | oh dear, can you imagine what would happen if you added animations to an LCARs style theme |
| [12:37:34] | justinh: | woo my ebuyer order is here already. only placed it on Thursday & opted for free delivery |
| [12:37:41] | stuarta: | \o/ |
| [12:37:48] | gbee: | bastard |
| [12:37:55] | Dibblah: | Wasn't someone loud working on that? |
| [12:38:05] | gbee: | mine was ordered Sunday last week, still hasn't arrived |
| [12:38:07] | Dibblah: | ... Not that long ago (about a year, istr) |
| [12:38:24] | gbee: | Dibblah: dagmar |
| [12:38:25] | stuarta: | what we all buying? |
| [12:38:29] | Dibblah: | Ah. |
| [12:38:53] | gbee: | stuarta: no idea about justinh, mines a monitor to replace the laptop screen |
| [12:39:23] | Dibblah: | I stupidly forgot to add a VDPAU compatible vid card to my low-power hard drive order :( |
| [12:39:33] | stuarta: | whoops |
| [12:40:22] | gbee: | Dibblah: we've all done it, I didn't get enough ram the first time, though I did manage to tag it into the free delivery on the second order |
| [12:42:29] | justinh: | a new PSU for my backend & 2x USB-SATA/IDE adapters. One for me, one for my Dad's xmas box |
| [12:44:14] | justinh: | gbee: those animated icons you had in that video you did.. did you make them – and if so what did you use to do em? |
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| [12:44:49] | justinh: | they look suspiciously like animations I've seen somewhere else though.. ;) |
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| [12:47:22] | gbee: | I did them, inspired by others though |
| [12:47:51] | justinh: | just the usual painsstaking inkscape, export bitmap route? |
| [12:47:54] | gbee: | used Inkscape, that particular effect is pretty easy with the rotate tool |
| [12:47:58] | gbee: | aye |
| [12:48:25] | justinh: | oh yeah, you could just do an array transform, then export each shape in turn |
| [12:49:01] | justinh: | er.. clone, not array |
| [12:49:41] | gbee: | I can make available the base image for that one |
| [12:50:07] | justinh: | s'ok – shouldn't be too difficult |
| [12:50:32] | justinh: | this is where native SVG rendering could really come into its own, I see now |
| [12:50:33] | gbee: | svg, since the pngs are already in the playbackbox image tar I made available |
| [12:51:31] | justinh: | or heck, even just a 'spin' animation type |
| [12:51:48] | ** stuarta tests out the spin feature on his chair ** | |
| [12:51:55] | gbee: | I'd like to see transform animations added to mythui, it's not especially difficult, just takes time like everything else |
| [12:52:41] | directhex: | justinh, weren't you one of the "over my dead body" people R.E. native SVG? |
| [12:52:51] | justinh: | directhex: yes, I WAS WRONG |
| [12:53:22] | directhex: | but admitting that makes you a better man |
| [12:53:41] | justinh: | I am a better man. I can draw SVGs now :) |
| [12:54:46] | justinh: | the amount of ready-made media centre-centric icons available is still as woeful as ever though |
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| [12:57:39] | ** justinh wonders about frontrow's icons... ** | |
| [12:58:08] | justinh: | oh wait.. no not frontrow.. the other one for Apple thingies |
| [12:58:21] | justinh: | centerstage |
| [12:59:41] | stuarta: | such crap names |
| [13:00:18] | justinh: | jesus. it's not even open |
| [13:00:25] | directhex: | http://www.deviantart.com/#catpath=customizat . . . &order=9 ? |
| [13:00:32] | justinh: | so much for my plan to nick their icons & mash em up |
| [13:02:03] | justinh: | directhex: thanks but they're all well & good – often missing stuff representing EPG etc.. we'd need to get an icon artist totally onboard |
| [13:02:34] | justinh: | it's hard enough to draw stuff from scratch, but drawing from scratch while mimicking a certain style.. |
| [13:04:18] | stuarta: | anyone know of a decent news ticker? |
| [13:04:19] | directhex: | justinh, getting artists onboard is good! if you manage, of course |
| [13:04:31] | stuarta: | used to be knewsticker but that seems dead |
| [13:04:50] | justinh: | directhex: I know. we're not exactly awash wish people wanting to get involved |
| [13:05:22] | justinh: | s/wish/with |
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| [13:06:34] | justinh: | 'massive media icons'.. very familiar.. but I don't call 512x512 massive! |
| [13:08:04] | justinh: | and they're not GPL compatible. oh well |
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| [13:11:50] | directhex: | is art generally GPL? |
| [13:12:07] | justinh: | CC more usually |
| [13:12:35] | justinh: | whoah. Apple Frontrow doesn't use predefined selection bar sizes. they slice em up |
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| [13:13:16] | justinh: | memory miserly :) |
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| [13:34:56] | Piper69: | so whats the deal i tried everything to get this card to work , and everytime i get the same result , and one got any solutions for me please! |
| [13:35:19] | Piper69: | this is what i get when i do dmesg | grep cx18 |
| [13:35:40] | Piper69: | [ 9.988814] cx18: disagrees about version of symbol v4l_compat_ioctl32 [ 9.988881] cx18: Unknown symbol v4l_compat_ioctl32 |
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| [13:53:30] | gbee: | mixing a self compiled or downloaded driver with the wrong kernel? |
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| [14:00:38] | justinh: | directhex: funny but square surrounds work better here |
| [14:01:18] | justinh: | at least when a background with rounded corners is used |
| [14:01:44] | justinh: | a solution might be to use no background |
| [14:01:54] | rooaus: | Penfold__: May or may not be relevant but check http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/19248 |
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| [14:05:14] | justinh: | crazy thought.. might try a gallery WALL just for laughs |
| [14:06:19] | justinh: | actually.. that would be mad.. a zoomable continuous wall of images |
| [14:06:35] | directhex: | justinh, there's a popular thing to do that w/ itunes album covers |
| [14:07:14] | justinh: | news to me :) |
| [14:09:18] | directhex: | it's called, erm, clutter |
| [14:09:21] | directhex: | but not THAT clutter |
| [14:10:39] | directhex: | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=WFBQqcj5Xzw |
| [14:12:15] | justinh: | nah I meant more like a seamless wall, not a heap of covers jumbled atop each other |
| [14:13:09] | justinh: | come to think about it, I might've already seen a video of it.. was it that mirovideo thing? |
| [14:13:26] | justinh: | the one made by a company who were sued for using DVD ripping tech |
| [14:14:13] | directhex: | Real were doing the last high profile ripper |
| [14:14:20] | justinh: | ahh kaleidoscape |
| [14:14:47] | justinh: | ahh kaleidescape |
| [14:19:31] | justinh: | gbee: hurry up & get some smooth scrolling & transitions in then I can make a new promo vid :) |
| [14:21:05] | justinh: | seen the state of this? http://www.kaleidescape.com/files/media/TheKa . . . -640x360.mov jees! |
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| [14:43:06] | gbee: | justinh: I'd love to tell you that you'll see the smooth scrolling/transitions very soon, but truth is that there are many more important things to get done and Paul might just beat me to it |
| [14:44:29] | gbee: | if I didn't have to worry about converting over the remaining screens, adding basic missing functionality like the on-screen keyboard ... |
| [14:45:51] | gbee: | it's my fault for promising so much |
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| [14:56:32] | justinh: | gbee: I was kidding |
| [14:57:09] | justinh: | re the rest of the stuff, I still want to lend a hand |
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| [15:22:32] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | [ot] Burr... cold morning... 12F (~ -11 C) – I'm thinking of moving to Bermuda... |
| [15:22:49] | gbee: | Canada? |
| [15:25:17] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | gbee: Boston area... Windchill brings that down even more... |
| [15:25:18] | jduggan: | scotland? |
| [15:25:20] | jduggan: | :D |
| [15:25:48] | gbee: | despite a latitude equivalent to that of Labrador it never gets that cold in this country |
| [15:26:14] | jduggan: | we have shitty weather :/ |
| [15:26:16] | justinh: | speaking of Labrador.. time to go & let mine out |
| [15:26:16] | jduggan: | summer and winter |
| [15:26:18] | jamiem: | was cold yesterday |
| [15:26:25] | jamiem: | milder today :) |
| [15:26:31] | jduggan: | truetrue |
| [15:26:45] | justinh: | how to kick start a conversation among brits. MENTION THE WEATHER! :D |
| [15:26:54] | gbee: | -4 a couple of days is probably the coldest I can remember it ever getting – maybe -5/-6 when I was a kid |
| [15:26:56] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Hehe... ;-) |
| [15:27:14] | jamiem: | "When two Englishmen meet: their talk is of the weather" — Samual Johnson |
| [15:27:27] | jduggan: | heh |
| [15:27:41] | justinh: | jamiem: more likely "OI! GIV US YOUR ***ING PHONE _NOW_ !" |
| [15:27:50] | jamiem: | :/ |
| [15:27:53] | justinh: | strangers ^^^ |
| [15:27:59] | gbee: | most Brits are a bunch of whingers, were it not for the North Atlantic drift we'd have artic weather conditions 10 months of the year |
| [15:28:05] | jamiem: | . o O ( must be from Manchester ) |
| [15:28:32] | gbee: | we actually get stunningly good weather considering out geographic position |
| [15:28:37] | jamiem: | articulated weather conditions? |
| [15:28:44] | jamiem: | Gulf Stream ftw |
| [15:28:45] | ** justinh clocks off ** | |
| [15:29:38] | gbee: | and I like the rain, I don't know how anyone living in this country can't like it, it would be like being born in the desert and hating sand |
| [15:30:11] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | gbee: So, do you guys get snow out there? |
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| [15:30:41] | gbee: | have you see the Med? it's a rocky, barren place for the most part – not the green and pleasant land we have and that's down to the rain |
| [15:31:31] | gbee: | J-e-f-f-A|work: sure, not not as much as you'd probably imagine – heaviest fall in the last month was 2 inches in most places, 4 inches at worst |
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| [15:32:20] | gbee: | most winters in recent years you can maybe see snow on the ground for 1–2 weeks in the whole 4 months |
| [15:32:23] | ** jamiem mumbles something about Cairngorms, Cumbria and Snowdonia ** | |
| [15:32:27] | spoky99: | hi all |
| [15:32:29] | spoky99: | I had a problem with controlling sound from mythtv |
| [15:32:32] | spoky99: | someone can help me? |
| [15:32:52] | gbee: | and it's never what you'd call deep, it was better when I was a kid, we had real snow falls then |
| [15:33:20] | jamiem: | gbee: I blame all these computers with a TV card left running and running warming up the earth |
| [15:33:37] | gbee: | jamiem: the three highest mountain ranges in England, Wales and Scotland, well sure :) |
| [15:34:14] | spoky99: | here was snowing yesterday :D |
| [15:35:01] | spoky99: | and.. we have a little mountain :D |
| [15:35:01] | gbee: | I grew up in Rossendale, Lancashire (site of the heaviest snow last week) and later Cheshire just across the border from Snowdonia |
| [15:35:13] | spoky99: | O_o |
| [15:35:29] | spoky99: | snowdonia? what's? |
| [15:35:39] | jduggan: | mountain |
| [15:35:40] | jamiem: | letmewikipediathatforyou |
| [15:35:44] | jduggan: | death trap |
| [15:35:47] | jduggan: | for climbers |
| [15:35:49] | jduggan: | =] |
| [15:35:52] | jamiem: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowdonia |
| [15:35:53] | spoky99: | ah |
| [15:35:56] | jduggan: | idiot climbers... |
| [15:36:06] | jamiem: | lol |
| [15:36:13] | jamiem: | it's NICE climbing! |
| [15:37:19] | spoky99: | eysterday some climbers falls under a snowslide |
| [15:37:28] | gbee: | but even despite remembering some heavy snows as a kid, there weren't snow ploughs on the roads or homes cut off for days etc ... it usually melts pretty quicly |
| [15:38:04] | gbee: | not sure I'd like climbing in Snowdonia at this time of year, the rock is lethal when wet |
| [15:38:26] | gbee: | sandstone of the Lake district is more forgiving |
| [15:38:34] | jduggan: | ive seen snow ploughs on the roads |
| [15:38:43] | jduggan: | but i come from in the welsh mountains |
| [15:38:44] | jduggan: | :P |
| [15:39:21] | gbee: | jduggan: Welsh or an English migrant? |
| [15:39:42] | jduggan: | im welsh but now living in east anglia |
| [15:39:47] | jduggan: | :) |
| [15:39:52] | gbee: | :) |
| [15:40:06] | jduggan: | well dunno if northampton counts as east anglia |
| [15:40:10] | jduggan: | :O |
| [15:40:13] | jduggan: | east midlands i guess |
| [15:40:39] | gbee: | Welsh by ancestry (surname probably gives that bit away), family from South Wales, but I was born in England |
| [15:40:49] | jduggan: | ah |
| [15:40:51] | jduggan: | jones? |
| [15:40:54] | gbee: | Morgan |
| [15:40:59] | jduggan: | ic |
| [15:41:10] | jduggan: | mothers maiden name is morgan |
| [15:41:11] | jduggan: | :O |
| [15:41:18] | jduggan: | we're from mid-south wales |
| [15:41:22] | jduggan: | near brecon |
| [15:41:48] | jamiem: | "Bee" ? |
| [15:41:52] | jduggan: | lol |
| [15:41:53] | jamiem: | oh |
| [15:41:55] | ** jamiem reads up ** | |
| [15:43:02] | gbee: | Anglicised from the Welsh patronym, Ap Morgan – son of Morgan, so it's not really a surname but a first name :) |
| [15:44:53] | jamiem: | CApt Morgan? |
| [15:44:55] | jamiem: | mmm |
| [15:45:08] | gbee: | not exactly sure where the family was from, the handwriting was illegible Aber-something in Monmouthshire |
| [15:45:25] | jduggan: | abergavenny? |
| [15:45:45] | gbee: | possibly Aberdare, too short for Abergavenny |
| [15:46:13] | jduggan: | aberdare is monmouthshire? i thought it was gwent |
| [15:46:40] | gbee: | looks like it ends in ..res, never managed to fit it to any place names though |
| [15:48:56] | gbee: | not sure which county it's now in or whether it was ever in Monmouthshire, borders have changed a lot over the years |
| [15:50:17] | gbee: | e.g. one branch of the family is from Ulverston – used to be Lancashire although it was detatched from the rest of the county, it's now Cumbria which is a made up amalgamation of Westmorland and Cumberland |
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| [15:57:17] | andreax1: | How to disable compilation of the backend? |
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| [16:00:29] | jams: | andreax1- there is no builtin method to disable complining of the backend or frontend. |
| [16:03:48] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | spoky99: re: sound issue — I'd starte with disabling/removing pulseaudio, then re-booting and making sure you're controlling the right volume control, either Master or PCM depending on your sound card... |
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| [16:04:29] | jduggan: | is ft100 cable better than ct100 for sat cable? |
| [16:05:12] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work doesn't even know FT100 or CT100... Is that anything like RG6 and RG6/QS ??? ** | |
| [16:06:45] | andreax1: | aye, okay... thankyou... |
| [16:09:07] | spoky99: | J-e-f-f-A|work: my problem is that i use 6 channel audio (5,1) and the sound control of mythtv control only the stereo output not the other. I heard the sound in all the channel and.. if I use the multimedia key for mute a volup and voldown it work fine |
| [16:10:04] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | spoky99: Ok, digital audio. No volume control of that with Myth, you've got to use your sterio or TV in that case. |
| [16:11:16] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | spoky99: It's just passing the 'raw' digital audio straight through, like a DVD player or Cable box would. To change the volume of it would require modifying the signal itself. |
| [16:11:21] | spoky99: | J-e-f-f-A|work: I partially solved the problem don't using internal control and using lirc with irexec and amixer |
| [16:11:33] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | spoky99: With Analog audio, it's much simpler... ;-) |
| [16:11:47] | spoky99: | J-e-f-f-A|work: I use analog audio.. not digital |
| [16:12:24] | spoky99: | J-e-f-f-A|work: I use the 3 stereo plug for the 5,1 channel |
| [16:12:27] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | spoky99: Oh, so you're using 5.1 over Analog... Humm.... |
| [16:12:36] | spoky99: | J-e-f-f-A|work: yess |
| [16:13:26] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | spoky99: Ok, not sure about that then — haven't played with that. Does the 'master' volume control all the channels with 5.1 analog? If so, you could just use that... |
| [16:14:39] | spoky99: | J-e-f-f-A|work: using the gnome volume control in the upper control bar I'm in able to control all the channel |
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| [16:15:13] | spoky99: | J-e-f-f-A|work: ad also using the multimedia key into the keiboard |
| [16:15:44] | spoky99: | J-e-f-f-A|work: but.. I don't found how to tell lirc to make the same think |
| [16:16:31] | spoky99: | J-e-f-f-A|work: using vlc player volume controll. work fine... |
| [16:16:43] | spoky99: | J-e-f-f-A|work: vlc control all the channel |
| [16:18:07] | spoky99: | J-e-f-f-A|work: I read a loto of how-to and.. I try a lot of command from terminal, but noone work eactly like the gnome volume control :) |
| [16:18:29] | mzb_d800: | use irexec to do amixer command? |
| [16:18:33] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | spoky99: Well, I believe Myth can only control either 'PCM' or 'Master' — so I don't know if it can do what you want. If you haven't already tried it, I'd suggest trying to change it to Alsa:Default "Master" and see what happens. |
| [16:19:27] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | mzb_d800: I think that's what he's doing now, and wants to know if Myth can do it... But it if it doesn't work with 'Master', than I think irexec is the only way for him... ;-) |
| [16:19:51] | spoky99: | J-e-f-f-A|work: pcm and master controlo only the stereo output, I could control also "surround" and "center" |
| [16:21:07] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | spoky99: Ok, so you may be 'stuck' having to use irexec like you're doing already. Perhaps that's a feature request? I don't know what priority it would get, as you're the first person I've come across running 5.1 Analog... |
| [16:22:01] | spoky99: | mzb_d800: I do it, but amixer via irexec don't control the real volume, you control the volume set in the gnome-volume-control |
| [16:22:13] | spoky99: | J-e-f-f-A|work: woww :D great! :D |
| [16:22:50] | spoky99: | J-e-f-f-A|work: I had a oldest micropc mobo :) and... I could use it |
| [16:28:57] | andreax1: | Any Idea? http://pastebin.ca/1279736 |
| [16:30:32] | gbee: | andreax1: you are building trunk with qt3, when it requires qt4? |
| [16:32:16] | andreax1: | gbee: hmmmm... To be honest, i cant remember, this is a real, real old frontend i try to update... :) |
| [16:33:06] | andreax1: | Seems i should try to recompile qt... |
| [16:34:17] | sphery: | gbee: Is the tmdb bug database ( http://meticulo.lighthouseapp.com/projects/17 . . . org/overview ) the preferred place to report "Application error (Rails)"? Found another one last night when I was watching a movie/checking if it was in tmdb. |
| [16:34:31] | gbee: | sphery: yes |
| [16:34:34] | sphery: | thx |
| [16:34:40] | sphery: | I'll create an account and report it. |
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| [17:20:23] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | [ot] DDR5 memory? Wow – just scanning fleabay and came across a video card with DDR5 memory... Guess I haven't been keeping up with technology much... |
| [17:20:50] | wagnerrp: | DDR5 has been out for a while |
| [17:20:58] | wagnerrp: | GDDR5 anyway |
| [17:21:15] | wagnerrp: | ati or nvidia came out with 4, i dont remember which |
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| [17:21:47] | wagnerrp: | so the other just leapfrogged it entirely in a gratuitous show of one-ups-manship |
| [17:21:54] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Makes one think "Why not just increase the clock speed?" ;-) — That's basically what they're doing anyways... |
| [17:22:44] | wagnerrp: | AFAIK, theres no real technological advantage of one over the other, just a higher number for sales |
| [17:24:24] | wagnerrp: | maybe that was 3 and 4 |
| [17:24:31] | wagnerrp: | 5 seems to be an advancement on 4 |
| [17:24:32] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Jeeze. the card is $530 alone... "VISIONTEK RADEON HD 4870 X2 2GB @ DDR5 PCI EXPRESS 2.0" ... yikes... And to think there are gamers that will run 2 of them... |
| [17:26:16] | wagnerrp: | seems they started shipping back in june |
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| [17:31:15] | jams: | Thats annoying, seems you can't run mythfrontend anymore without being able to connect to the backend. Just endless loops of prompts |
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| [17:32:01] | GreyFoxx: | jams: I just hit OK and it carries on |
| [17:32:02] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | wagnerrp: Intersting — according to wikipedia's DDR3 SDRAM page "DDR4 SDRAM will be the successor to DDR3 SDRAM. It was revealed at the Intel Developer Forum in San Francisco and is currently in the design state and is expected to be released in 2012" <- 2012??? |
| [17:32:27] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A|work: GDDR, completely different |
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| [17:32:51] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | wagnerrp: Really? Humm... didn't realize there was a difference.... |
| [17:33:28] | jams: | GreyFoxx- not here. it tells me it can't connect to the backend, then says there are no capture cards defined, then can't connect to backend, then no caputre cards defined..... |
| [17:33:48] | jams: | maybe i should run mythtv-setup and save something |
| [17:35:00] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | jams: Do you have a backend on the network? If not, I'm confused as to why you're trying to run the frontend only... |
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| [17:35:24] | jams: | J-e-f-f-A- doing some testing |
| [17:35:33] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | wagnerrp: Ok, yeah much different... Humm... ;-) |
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| [17:36:46] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | wagnerrp: Kinda confusing since they've adopted a similar name (having "DDR" in the name...) |
| [17:36:52] | jams: | gregL- defining a null capture card made the endless loop stop, go figure |
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| [17:38:42] | wagnerrp: | ah, gddr3 started being used by nvidia first, and even though ati created it, they only used it for a handful of cards before jumping to gddr4 |
| [17:39:20] | sid3windr: | here I am buying brand new gddr3 graphics cards |
| [17:39:38] | sid3windr: | of the 2x0 gtx kind |
| [17:39:50] | sid3windr: | are you saying they're 2 generations of memory behind? :o |
| [17:40:10] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | sid3windr: hehe... The newest card I have is a Nvidia 7800 iirc... and it's not even in a PC yet... ;-) (or did I put that in my new frontend... Hummm, can't remember) ;-) |
| [17:40:38] | wagnerrp: | you could also make the claim that it took two extra generations of memory before ati caught up with nvidia in terms of performance |
| [17:42:32] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Gee, I just learned that AGP 8x is faster than PCIe x16.... (34,133Mb/s for AGP 8x vs 32,000Mb/s for PCIe x16)... Unless it's PCIe 2.0 – then it doubles... |
| [17:43:06] | sid3windr: | uhh |
| [17:43:13] | sid3windr: | heh :) |
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| [17:43:28] | sid3windr: | so has anyone got a bandwidth monitoring tool? I don't think we really maxed out AGP 8x yet. |
| [17:44:02] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A|work: not exactly... that was 8x 64-bit, double the normal consumer interface bandwidth |
| [17:44:59] | high-rez: | And wasn't that only in one direction? |
| [17:45:07] | wagnerrp: | pretty much, yes |
| [17:45:20] | wagnerrp: | AGP had marginal card-to-host bandwidth |
| [17:45:44] | wagnerrp: | where as PCIe is symmetric |
| [17:46:02] | wagnerrp: | thats why all the GPGPU stuff started coming out with PCIe |
| [17:46:03] | high-rez: | I, for one, am happy being able to use the same slot for video cards and raid cards. |
| [17:46:26] | wagnerrp: | you could process the data, and actually be able to recover it in a reasonable amount of time |
| [17:46:38] | sid3windr: | this was possible with vesa local bus, high-rez. |
| [17:46:47] | sid3windr: | (and pci) |
| [17:47:13] | sid3windr: | because agp was such an ugly hack noone ever dared to put a second slot on a board ;) |
| [17:47:19] | GreyFoxx: | What's gonna be fun is the first person to get commflagging going with a spare video card using VDPAU for the decoding heh |
| [17:47:27] | wagnerrp: | there were boards with multiple AGP slots |
| [17:47:43] | wagnerrp: | usually backplanes for videowall setups |
| [17:48:08] | high-rez: | Which died in.... 1995? And old PCI just wasn't good enough for video. Heck most decent raid cards were pci-x or 64bit pci at least. Wasn't 32bit 33mhz PCI basically 300MB/s symmetric? |
| [17:48:22] | high-rez: | (or do I have that wrong?) |
| [17:48:24] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | wagnerrp: Humm... that's cool. ;-) never seen one myself. |
| [17:48:37] | wagnerrp: | high-rez: it was 133MB/s total |
| [17:48:44] | RyeBrye: | do those normal PCI video cards people have been buying to put in old machines work with VDPAU? |
| [17:49:02] | high-rez: | only 8 series and beyond. |
| [17:49:06] | wagnerrp: | it was a hub topology (IIRC) so all bandwidth in all directions was shared off the same 133MB/s |
| [17:50:01] | high-rez: | wagnerrp: Yeah that's pretty sucky for even modest disk controllers. :) My not terribly advanced raid array for my mythbackend can do 300MB/s sequential writes. |
| [17:50:08] | xris: | anyone hazard a guess how well a cable amp would work with a digital signal? |
| [17:50:37] | wagnerrp: | xris: a signal is a signal, traditional cable amps should work just fine |
| [17:50:56] | wagnerrp: | but remember, the boost is gets in one direction cuts the signal in the other direction |
| [17:51:10] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | xris: ^ yeah, as long as the frequrency range of the amp is sufficient... and it might have to be 2-way too... (depending on application) |
| [17:51:11] | wagnerrp: | so upstream transmissions dont work too well |
| [17:51:21] | RyeBrye: | Would something like this possibly breathe new life into a P4 1.8 Ghz backend? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133245 ? |
| [17:51:22] | wagnerrp: | meaning cable routers, and some functions on the STB |
| [17:51:33] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | ^ exactly. ;-) |
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| [17:53:56] | high-rez: | RyeBrye: Probably. Does your P4 backend of PCI-Express ? |
| [17:54:03] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | RyeBrye: Perhaps, when myth works with VDPAU – but are you really going to be trying to play H.264 on that backend? |
| [17:54:08] | wagnerrp: | high-rez: the card is PCI |
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| [17:54:24] | high-rez: | woh, wow, i didn't even realize. |
| [17:54:42] | wagnerrp: | RyeBrye: check out the recent ramblings of PCI video cards on -users |
| [17:54:47] | wagnerrp: | it has been discussed at length |
| [17:54:50] | RyeBrye: | The backend only has AGP (4x? 8x?) and normal PCI |
| [17:54:58] | RyeBrye: | Ok. I'll go read the list |
| [17:54:59] | wagnerrp: | i believe the consensus was 'Yes' |
| [17:55:42] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work cheers the folks working on VDPAU... ** | |
| [17:56:08] | high-rez: | Yeah. We should put together a beer-buying pool |
| [17:56:13] | high-rez: | To send to the VDPAU folks. |
| [17:56:19] | GreyFoxx: | VDPAU works suprisingly well |
| [17:56:27] | GreyFoxx: | for me at least |
| [17:56:31] | high-rez: | Collected, of coruse, once they say VDPAU is done. :) |
| [17:56:47] | GreyFoxx: | can't wait til the next version of the driver |
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| [17:57:02] | wagnerrp: | ive got a handful of ripped dvds that just flip back and forth between the two closest I-frames |
| [17:57:09] | high-rez: | GreyFoxx: I'm getting killed by the reference frame limitation. I read that they are going to do an API change to fix it... Believ eit or not it works if you remove interlacing. |
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| [17:57:21] | wagnerrp: | i suppose i encoded them with too many reference frames or some such |
| [17:57:25] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Nah, we need to give them incentive to keep working on it and give them a few here and there... ;-) |
| [17:57:34] | GreyFoxx: | high-rez: yeah the current version only handles 4 reference frames |
| [17:57:53] | wagnerrp: | whats odd is that the PS3 plays them just fine, and its a finicky bitch when it comes to AVC |
| [17:57:54] | GreyFoxx: | but with the next one it will be configurable so it should work for more stuff |
| [17:58:13] | bradd: | does anyone know how the mythweb ipod theme determines if a recording is "ipod viewable"? or is that not actually functional yet? |
| [17:58:16] | GreyFoxx: | wagnerrp: What you describe sounds like a ref count of > 4 |
| [17:58:21] | RyeBrye: | It's exciting to see hardware acceleration on my desktop PC that will finally beat that of my cell phone |
| [17:58:22] | GreyFoxx: | and many guides and scripts use 5/6 |
| [17:58:24] | high-rez: | Heh, I love my PS3 as a myth-frontend (not full frontend of course, through UPnP) |
| [17:59:00] | xris: | bradd: you'd have to ask kormoc.. |
| [17:59:02] | RyeBrye: | PS3 still has no GPU acceleration of crap in linux-land, right? |
| [17:59:13] | bradd: | 10–4..thanks |
| [17:59:25] | wagnerrp: | GreyFoxx: yeah, the x264 config dialog (under windows) recommends 1–5, so i had just been using 5 |
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| [18:00:19] | GreyFoxx: | one way to check without needing a graphic app is to strings the video file and pipe it to less. Scroll for a bit and you will find a text section showing the h264 encoding options |
| [18:00:29] | high-rez: | Once nvidia fixes the reference frame limitation, and the fact that the driver craps when you send it b-frames ahead of full frames, i'll go ahead and make a perm switch to trunk. |
| [18:01:45] | wagnerrp: | GreyFoxx: no, youll find the command line flags used to run x264 |
| [18:02:10] | wagnerrp: | if you check out some other encoder, such as the quicktime encoder on apple movie trailers, they offer no such thing |
| [18:02:21] | jackson__: | it'll be interesting to see if anyone releases any vdpau patches for -fixes |
| [18:02:35] | GreyFoxx: | ahh ok. I had run across it looking at a couple of files and assumed it was a standard |
| [18:02:50] | high-rez: | jackson: At least one guy (here) has already done that. |
| [18:02:54] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | jackson__: Yeah, not likely as it's not a 'fix'... But your're right, it would be nice... ;-) |
| [18:03:08] | GreyFoxx: | certainly never anything official |
| [18:03:24] | jackson__: | right, I'm not saying having it applied to the fixes branch, but releaes a patch. |
| [18:03:30] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | high-rez: ^^ Really? neato. Ah, but I don't have an 8xxx+ series card yet... DOH! |
| [18:04:08] | wagnerrp: | GreyFoxx: well i only have videos encoded by x264 and quicktime, and quicktime doesnt follow the 'standard' |
| [18:04:18] | high-rez: | Jeff: At least he's made a patch set and it works. I don't think he's released it to anyone. I'm going to ask him real nicely though to get a copy ;) |
| [18:04:24] | wagnerrp: | if you want, i can toss something into Nero Recode, and see what pops out |
| [18:05:00] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | high-rez: That's cool. If I had a capable card I might have persued it too... although I don't really have any H.264 stuff to playback yet... ;-) |
| [18:06:20] | wagnerrp: | seems Recode only wants to work with full DVDs, i dont know how to transcode just a simple video in nero |
| [18:06:21] | high-rez: | I'm using an xbox hd-dvd player ($40) to rip hd dvd to my backend. HD DVD are like $5 now – so it just makes sense (funny that hte platform is more popular than ever. I wonder if they'll take a hint from this? Release stuff at a resonable price and people will buy it). |
| [18:06:45] | high-rez: | Of course since VDPAU doesn't support VC-1 yet (except with a handfull of cards noone can get their hands on) it doesn't really help me. ;) |
| [18:07:01] | wagnerrp: | the 9300 is readily available |
| [18:07:19] | wagnerrp: | and i think someone said the .11 patch added support for the 9400 and 9500 chips as well |
| [18:07:31] | wagnerrp: | or maybe the embedded chips |
| [18:07:43] | wagnerrp: | it added support for more cards under VC-1 (all VP3 of course) |
| [18:07:46] | GreyFoxx: | high-rez: My 8400gt supports it. Apparently I got 1 of a number of then that has a g98 chip in it |
| [18:08:23] | wagnerrp: | yeah, the PCIe2.0 8400s are actually rebadged 93s or 94s, not sure why they did that |
| [18:08:50] | jackson__: | The only troubles that I've had with VDPAU (and trunk 19237), when intitially tuning a channel (SD mpeg2) for the first time, it fails to appropve the VDPAU renderer and uses xv-blit. If I remain in LiveTV and change channels, it works correctly each subsequent channel change. But if I exit LiveTV and come back, the first channel tuned fails to aprove the vdpau renderer. Playing a SD mpeg2 recording works every time. |
| [18:08:55] | gbee: | I'm going to look pretty stupid if there turns out to be a good reason to have VC-1 support |
| [18:08:58] | high-rez: | GreyFoxx: Damn!!! I was looking at the 8400 GT's and 9400 GT's from my frontend. I said "well i'm sure the 9400 GT will have better support than the 8400" |
| [18:09:10] | GreyFoxx: | high-rez: heh |
| [18:09:46] | wagnerrp: | gbee: if that turns out to be the case, you hock the old card on ebay, buy a new one, and youre down maybe $15 |
| [18:10:40] | gbee: | wagnerrp: IGP |
| [18:10:46] | high-rez: | Man, I'm totally disappointed. The 8400 GT 512meg was $10 cheaper than my 9400 GT 512 meg. |
| [18:11:04] | Chutt: | you don't know you're getting a g98 with an 8400 |
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| [18:11:11] | wagnerrp: | gbee: ah, well then youre screwed |
| [18:11:31] | wagnerrp: | Chutt: yes you do, if it says PCIe2.0, its a g98 |
| [18:11:41] | Chutt: | wagnerrp, the 8400gs i just bought isn't |
| [18:11:45] | Chutt: | that's pcie2 |
| [18:11:52] | Chutt: | so, no, you don't :p |
| [18:11:57] | wagnerrp: | hmm... |
| [18:12:03] | gbee: | wagnerrp: well not really, can stick a card in there, but I'm just joking about the VC-1, really can't forsee a time when I'll need it |
| [18:12:05] | high-rez: | Chutt: Not sure if you have visited nvnews, but basically nvidia hasn't really said wether or not vc-1 is going to come to the other platforms or not. Lots of people have asked directly and no word :( |
| [18:12:35] | jackson__: | Chutt, did that 8400GS happen to be the ASUS silent one from newegg? |
| [18:12:42] | Chutt: | jackson__, no |
| [18:12:51] | Chutt: | high-rez, nobody uses vc1 for anything :p |
| [18:12:51] | RyeBrye: | well... didn't nvidia not even say anything about hardware acceleration on linux until they said "Oh, by the way – here's a beta version of VDPAU" |
| [18:13:04] | high-rez: | Chutt: My HD DVDs are all VC-1. |
| [18:13:06] | gbee: | high-rez: I suspect Chutt knows far more on the subject than either you or nvnews |
| [18:13:11] | Chutt: | high-rez, case in point |
| [18:13:13] | sid3windr: | yeah viddy pow is da bomb :> |
| [18:14:15] | high-rez: | Well granted, hd dvd, and with it vc-1 is dying off faster than a nest of bees, but it still would be nice to watch the movies I already have :) |
| [18:14:22] | gbee: | regardless, aside from the few early adopters with HD-DVDs, VC-1 support isn't a big deal |
| [18:14:39] | wagnerrp: | GreyFoxx: does your 8400 claim OpenGL 2.0 or 2.1? |
| [18:15:00] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work has an HD-DVD drive and a dozen or sow HD-DVDs... ;-) ** | |
| [18:15:25] | high-rez: | I might just use ffmpeg to convert my hd-dvds to h264 or something. |
| [18:15:40] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | ^^ that would work for me. ;-) |
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| [18:17:54] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | high-rez: It might be fun to gut my Toshiba HD-DVD player and put a mATX 'all-in-one' montherboard in there as a frontend... Although IIRC, it runs Linux, so theoretically it could be hacked... |
| [18:18:18] | justinh: | gbee: I thought BBC HD was VC-1 |
| [18:18:30] | high-rez: | I think it's H264 |
| [18:18:49] | gbee: | h.264, don't think VC-1 is used anywhere for broadcast |
| [18:19:21] | high-rez: | jeff: Ehh, I just have a $40 xbox hd-dvd drive which is also a normal dvd drive that i can use anywhere as an external drive so I have no loss in $$$ if support never comes. :) |
| [18:19:21] | GreyFoxx: | wagnerrp: got a simple way for me to check remotely ? some command I can run ? |
| [18:19:33] | gbee: | or anywhere apart from HD-DVD, maybe MS will try to push it with silverlight ... |
| [18:19:36] | justinh: | so any old 8200 will be reet for UK HDTV playback then.. :) |
| [18:19:45] | gbee: | justinh: aye |
| [18:19:55] | justinh: | or 8400.. or whatever falls off santa's sleigh :D |
| [18:20:23] | wagnerrp: | GreyFoxx: check newegg? |
| [18:20:34] | gbee: | haven't been able to try ITV HD or get my two samples working yet |
| [18:20:45] | justinh: | still in a state of slight disbelief about the whole aitchdeePOW stuff |
| [18:20:50] | wagnerrp: | just looking for some different in specs for the G98 cards |
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| [18:21:03] | gbee: | but there are lots of variations that VDPAU struggles with at the moment |
| [18:21:16] | justinh: | wish I'd bought a laptop with nvidia GPU now |
| [18:21:27] | gbee: | justinh: intel? |
| [18:21:31] | justinh: | yep |
| [18:21:44] | high-rez: | Hmm. Mine is a G96 |
| [18:22:02] | GreyFoxx: | 2.1.2 NVIDIA 180.11 according to nvidia-settings |
| [18:22:19] | gbee: | don't know which chipsets but Intel were supposed to be working on their own hardware accelerated decoding and of course ATi are too |
| [18:22:51] | justinh: | need to find out how to configure the power saving features on this thing.. the changes in backlight brightness are VERY annoying |
| [18:22:53] | wagnerrp: | gbee: i believe the X4500 is the only one with hardware for h264 decoding |
| [18:23:07] | high-rez: | Wasn't ATi sort of at least publically ahead of the game with XvBA ? |
| [18:23:16] | justinh: | allegedly |
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| [18:24:15] | justinh: | sick to death of wireless being so slow in loonix now too |
| [18:24:24] | gbee: | high-rez: they were the first to release a driver with support for hardware decoding, but it wasn't official, much like Nvidia's support isn't official yet – it's still beta |
| [18:24:28] | justinh: | can't even play xvids from my backend :( |
| [18:24:37] | Chutt: | gbee, 'much like'? :p |
| [18:24:59] | gbee: | difference is that Nvidia released headers/documentation with their beta driver, ATi haven't yet |
| [18:25:01] | high-rez: | gbee: Did they ever release an API so people could write code against it? I'm not seeing anything. I thoguht it was "support in driver, no apps that will support it." |
| [18:25:12] | high-rez: | Right. |
| [18:25:15] | Dibblah: | Not releasing an API is much like releasing an API. It's just got not in front of it. |
| [18:25:24] | justinh: | lol |
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| [18:26:00] | Dibblah: | Possibly maybe support in the driver. For limited values of support. |
| [18:26:34] | wagnerrp: | and marginal values of 'maybe' |
| [18:26:49] | gbee: | there is an API, just no header or documentation to describe that API – so it requires some guesswork but we're told it's a copy of DXBA or whatever it's called which is documented |
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| [18:27:22] | gbee: | there was an XvMC wrapper lib which some people have used (don't have details) |
| [18:28:21] | high-rez: | Straight old XvMC or XvMC+Support_For_Something_Othern_Than_MPEG2? |
| [18:28:58] | gbee: | basically expect to see support emerging in apps next year, either because ATi have released more details or because someone has reverse engineered it |
| [18:29:03] | justinh: | yay! I found the source for all the media icons I'll ever need! http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Image:Hard_disk.svg |
| [18:29:05] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Humm... interesting, I'll have to try this... According to an amazon.com customer review of my Toshiba HD-A3 HD-DVD player, it "Plays HD content burned onto standard DVDs!"... Humm, I'll have to test that... neato... |
| [18:29:14] | gbee: | early next year that is |
| [18:29:51] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | justinh: Wow, great find. Too bad he doesn't have an animated version... ;-) |
| [18:29:56] | gbee: | justinh: that's beautiful |
| [18:30:14] | Dibblah: | Growf. Decided to replace failing RAID array. Backup is fine, so no problems thinks I. |
| [18:30:19] | justinh: | I'll put that icon in SomethingMyDogDrew-wide |
| [18:30:32] | sid3windr: | :D |
| [18:30:48] | justinh: | jees – I'll never talk my drawing skills down again |
| [18:30:52] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | justinh: or "My4-year-old's-drawings-wide" |
| [18:31:10] | Dibblah: | Restore backup to new disk – Old RAID is still intact, if a bit tatty. Boot new disk – RAID array comes up, then back down in a *very* self-destructive way. |
| [18:31:31] | high-rez: | Wow, is that an SVG of one of those WD 750's? |
| [18:31:52] | justinh: | I should probably press my new USB gadget into service tonight & get my backend transferred sooner |
| [18:31:54] | Dibblah: | Now I'm going through backing up the components in the RAID to see if I can recover some not-so-important data off the damn thing. |
| [18:32:21] | Dibblah: | Just annoying that the _day_ I decide to replace it, it goes titsup. |
| [18:33:43] | justinh: | I think it might be a good idea to put out an appeal for icon artists on the mailing lists |
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| [18:33:52] | justinh: | themery is one thing.. |
| [18:34:21] | gbee: | justinh: I was thinking about curved menus and blootube-wide, think I'll put the group/title list on a horizontal curve above the recording list |
| [18:34:36] | justinh: | gbee: as nature intended :) |
| [18:34:42] | gbee: | indeed |
| [18:34:59] | justinh: | not played with curvy lists yet |
| [18:35:12] | justinh: | not sure it'd fit in with the style of 'concept' |
| [18:35:33] | justinh: | it might yet though :) |
| [18:35:41] | ** ruskie imagines an L-CARS stylef interface for myth... ** | |
| [18:36:05] | justinh: | reluctant to appeal on the -dev list for anything incase it inadvertently invites _opinion_ |
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| [18:36:49] | justinh: | ruskie: better not tell you somebody's got some prototype LCARS style screens squirreled away somewhere.. |
| [18:37:09] | ruskie: | justinh, lol... depends how close they are to the real thing |
| [18:37:14] | gbee: | justinh: haven't committed the curved menu stuff, maybe I should get that done before it bitrots |
| [18:37:30] | justinh: | ruskie: pretty bloody close actually |
| [18:37:41] | gbee: | but they were done for the old UI |
| [18:37:42] | ruskie: | justinh, colours and everything else... |
| [18:37:47] | justinh: | yes |
| [18:37:53] | justinh: | fastidiously! |
| [18:37:58] | ruskie: | omg |
| [18:38:01] | high-rez: | Wow, I had to google to see what LCARS is. And after seeing it, I just realized: that's what VDR looks like. |
| [18:38:05] | ruskie: | someone as obssesed as me |
| [18:38:27] | justinh: | it was as near spec as is possible AFAIK |
| [18:38:28] | gbee: | more maybe |
| [18:38:50] | ruskie: | not that I run anything on my computer with such a theme... |
| [18:38:59] | justinh: | I don't mean this in a bad way but this guy is anal about detail |
| [18:39:10] | ruskie: | since without touchscreens it kinda makes no point :( |
| [18:39:19] | justinh: | ruskie: it's a-comin |
| [18:39:23] | gbee: | which is why we might never see the theme reach completion |
| [18:39:52] | justinh: | I can imagine the /. attention now.. oof |
| [18:40:01] | gbee: | not that it's completely working right now, but mythui is fully mouse/touchscreen friendly |
| [18:40:36] | gbee: | lists have been broken for a while, no-one has noticed suprisingly |
| [18:40:46] | justinh: | ruskie: I was half-serious when I suggested casting a certain Majel Barrett to do audio feedback voicing too :P |
| [18:40:48] | ** ruskie hopes 0.22 will get an update on hardy as well.. ** | |
| [18:40:57] | ruskie: | justinh, *droool* |
| [18:41:10] | justinh: | are Trek SFX public domain now? |
| [18:41:15] | ruskie: | Majel Roddenberry Barrett :) |
| [18:41:32] | ruskie: | justinh, I think fair use would fit for them... |
| [18:41:43] | ruskie: | there's 5 zips I think... comp{1,2,3,4,5}.zip |
| [18:41:54] | gbee: | could be worse, could be a Batman theme |
| [18:42:28] | gbee: | don't think I'll ever be geeky enough to appreciate this LCARS thing |
| [18:42:29] | ruskie: | I think oleds might actually make lcars usable... lcd's sadly don't really |
| [18:42:58] | justinh: | gbee: nor me |
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| [18:43:11] | ruskie: | and of course GUI theming would need to reach a whole nother level globaly to allow for custom widget shapes etc... |
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| [18:43:24] | justinh: | ruskie: it already does for the most part now |
| [18:43:40] | ruskie: | not really |
| [18:43:42] | gbee: | but I do encourage it purely because it looks like a very different theme to anything we have now and that's a good thing |
| [18:43:42] | justinh: | the awful qt widgets are mostly gone |
| [18:43:51] | ruskie: | I meant overall not just myth :) |
| [18:43:52] | justinh: | ruskie: seriously |
| [18:44:09] | justinh: | you can theme the whole of a WM if you're up to it |
| [18:44:09] | ruskie: | i.e. gtk, qt, etc... |
| [18:44:28] | justinh: | anality knows no bounds |
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| [18:45:12] | gbee: | justinh: mind you, the round buttons are still square as far as the clicks regions, not that it really matters in usage because you'd have to be really anal to notice and consider it a flaw |
| [18:45:26] | justinh: | heh |
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| [18:47:29] | justinh: | wow. what the world really needs is another interpretation of how to draw that infernal pengiun! |
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| [18:50:07] | gbee: | please don't let us have a Gnu or Penguin based theme |
| [18:50:28] | justinh: | one for da kidz – get em early! |
| [18:50:32] | directhex: | leafers-wide featuring tux? |
| [18:51:08] | sphery: | Tux wearing a fig leaf? |
| [18:51:11] | gbee: | I still like the idea of a kids theme, but not Tux or any cute characters |
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| [18:51:37] | justinh: | I think a cutesy animation is obligatory for a kids' theme |
| [18:52:01] | ** justinh puts kde-look.org in the dustbin ** | |
| [18:52:17] | sphery: | We need our own MythTV character... What about the guy from that website mockup? ;) |
| [18:52:34] | justinh: | ugly blue nekkid guy? |
| [18:53:02] | sphery: | yeah (sarcastic comment) |
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| [18:55:14] | GreyFoxx: | Starwars kid! |
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| [18:59:40] | Led-Hed: | finally got me backend issues figured out. |
| [18:59:57] | Dibblah: | No more rapid toilet trips for you, then? |
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| [19:00:09] | Led-Hed: | how did you know? |
| [19:00:12] | Led-Hed: | :) |
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| [19:01:32] | Led-Hed: | If anyone is having trouble with Seagate 1.5TB drives, turns out that there is a firmware issue. Workaround is to disable Write Cache till Seagate releases a new firmware |
| [19:01:57] | justinh: | hahah frontrow icon sets with the reflections built in! |
| [19:01:59] | Led-Hed: | this will prevent the 30 sec hangs the drive experiences |
| [19:02:25] | Led-Hed: | hdparm -W0 /dev/sda |
| [19:02:32] | justinh: | looks like I'm going back to my drawing board for now |
| [19:02:47] | justinh: | I'll go & get my mouse |
| [19:02:50] | XLV: | Led-Hed, and in the process make the hdd much slower |
| [19:02:51] | Dibblah: | Metaphorically speaking? |
| [19:03:03] | justinh: | Dibblah: no, actually speaking |
| [19:03:49] | Led-Hed: | XLV, Still fast enough to play 4 LiveTV streams (2HD & 2 SD) |
| [19:04:36] | XLV: | Led-Hed, no i mean that you should bug seagate for a new firm, instead of castrating the hdd |
| [19:04:36] | Dibblah: | ... /me wonders if people are hitting the fsync issue again... |
| [19:05:00] | Led-Hed: | XLV, like I said, Its a workaround till the firmware is released. |
| [19:05:00] | Dibblah: | XLV: Unless Dell complains, Nothing Will Happen. |
| [19:05:17] | Dibblah: | Led-Hed: You're not really Michael, are you? ;) |
| [19:05:19] | Led-Hed: | Seagate has already stated that they are working on it |
| [19:05:31] | XLV: | Led-Hed, thats reassuring |
| [19:05:33] | Led-Hed: | Dibblah, that depends. Who is Michael? |
| [19:05:38] | Dibblah: | Mr Dell. |
| [19:05:39] | XLV: | mr dell |
| [19:05:51] | XLV: | damn, faster and with caps ;-) |
| [19:05:52] | Led-Hed: | Ahh. Only if I can have his money |
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| [19:19:40] | sphery: | Led-Hed: There's a new SD1A firmware available for the affected drives ( http://techreport.com/discussions.x/15863 ). You have to call them. I'm still moving around recordings/HDD's from when I did firmware upgrades on 2 of those drives. |
| [19:20:25] | sphery: | Link shows the affected drives, not the announcement of the firmware--I haven't seen an official announcement. Note that you must /call/ Seagate to get the "certificate" that allows you to d/l the firmware. |
| [19:20:27] | Led-Hed: | sphery, does the firmware destroy the data on the drives? |
| [19:21:25] | sphery: | One of the 2 HDD's was empty, the other had about 1TB of data on it. I upgraded firmware on the new HDD, moved data from old to new, then upgraded old. Didn't lose data, but Seagate recommends "backing up" any data on the drive before the upgrade. |
| [19:22:00] | sphery: | (the empty one was brand new--that's the only reason it was empty :) |
| [19:22:16] | jams: | either it works and no data lost, or it dosn't work and the drive is toast |
| [19:22:23] | sphery: | note that the online support doesn't have access to give you the upgraded firmware info. |
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| [19:23:50] | sphery: | But, hey, this time, I tried rsync for moving recordings around and found that it has everything I've been looking for in a "copy large amounts of data from large (>2GB) files, so the shuffling was a good thing. |
| [19:24:06] | sphery: | I had never considered using rsync for local file copies, but it rocks. |
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| [19:24:32] | ruskie: | :) |
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| [19:24:42] | Dibblah: | rsync is nice... Locally. |
| [19:24:53] | Dibblah: | It needs some tweaking over networks. |
| [19:25:03] | ruskie: | I tend to use unison for syncing stuff... though a single direction only rsync might work better |
| [19:25:51] | ruskie: | hmm unless the store offers me a very very decent offer on the hdd tomorrow I'm ditching them... |
| [19:26:36] | sphery: | yeah, someone mentioned unison, but I haven't tried it before. |
| [19:26:57] | sphery: | I also am used to working with a one-way-only approach, so rsync worked well. |
| [19:27:16] | ruskie: | yeah I generally need two-way :) |
| [19:27:20] | sphery: | (Besides for a 1-time copy of recordings files to a different HDD, it will definitely be one-way.) |
| [19:27:24] | ruskie: | probably why I went with unison... |
| [19:28:52] | janneg: | unison uses the same algorithm as rsync and added sugar for two way mirroring |
| [19:29:00] | meshe: | LVM avoids most of that copying |
| [19:29:25] | janneg: | it's unneeded for a simple file move |
| [19:29:49] | ruskie: | yeah unison actually keeps a state of both locations... |
| [19:30:23] | janneg: | meshe: LVM actually has to copy more data |
| [19:31:30] | janneg: | and decreases fault tolerance and speed (large file systems on multiple disk vs storage groups) |
| [19:31:32] | meshe: | when I added my new drive on saturday to my existing lvm setup, I didn't have to copy a thing, it just expanded the partition to include the new drive |
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| [19:31:42] | ruskie: | :) |
| [19:32:03] | meshe: | you can create a raid underneath LVM |
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| [19:32:20] | ruskie: | mdraid+lvm running here :) |
| [19:32:52] | janneg: | and how is that related to move all data from an old drive to upgrade its firmware |
| [19:32:54] | ruskie: | mdraid1 with lvm for the important data... the rest is plain lvm... |
| [19:33:03] | ruskie: | janneg, you can pvmove it :) |
| [19:33:35] | janneg: | ruskie: yes, and that will copy more data since it has to copy the unused space too |
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| [19:35:27] | meshe: | for that rare case, yes, but for the majority of the time you won't ever need to copy data around if you buy a new drive, just add it to the Volume Group |
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| [19:37:09] | sphery: | meshe: and, if you're using storage groups, adding a new drive is as simple as mounting it, and adding a directory under the mount point to the storage group (i.e. you do /not/ need LVM to make adding a new drive easy--and I'd argue adding a new drive to LVM is harder than simply mounting a filesystem on a new drive) |
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| [19:38:27] | meshe: | is Storage Groups a feature of myth? I've not heard of it before |
| [19:38:45] | janneg: | are there unresizeable fs left anyone would use for mythtv recordings? |
| [19:38:58] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [19:39:05] | janneg: | meshe: yes |
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| [19:39:10] | Dibblah: | Careful, sphery – You may make someone upgrade to .21 ;) |
| [19:39:19] | wagnerrp: | its just a mechanism by which you can define multiple directories to store recordings to |
| [19:39:31] | meshe: | new to myth, here to learn |
| [19:39:32] | wagnerrp: | and there is some sort of load averaging algorithm involved |
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| [19:40:00] | gbee: | and you can move recordings from one directory to another and it will still be able to find them |
| [19:40:06] | sphery: | meshe: are you using Linux MCE? |
| [19:40:26] | meshe: | mythbuntu |
| [19:40:27] | sphery: | If so, I think you're stuck on MythTV 0.20 (for a while, at least), and won't have Storage Groups |
| [19:40:35] | meshe: | 8.10 |
| [19:40:42] | sphery: | Then you do have storage groups |
| [19:40:50] | sphery: | mythtv-setup |
| [19:41:08] | wagnerrp: | last item in the setup |
| [19:41:22] | meshe: | nice, I'll check it out |
| [19:42:12] | meshe: | my myth box had a pre-exiting LV on it that was storing all of my media long before I set up Myth |
| [19:42:40] | wagnerrp: | ugh... Tombstone rip failed |
| [19:42:40] | meshe: | just added a new drive and a PVR-350 |
| [19:42:46] | sphery: | I broke up my LVM for improved fault tolerance 6 months before Storage Groups were ready for use. I will never again use a multiple-disk approach for Myth recordings (yeah, that means that I feel TV isn't worth the cost of RAID, either). |
| [19:42:58] | wagnerrp: | video keeps repeating itself |
| [19:43:18] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if it is one of a handful of DVDs that actually uses angles |
| [19:43:30] | meshe: | I feel the same way sphery, mine is setup without raid |
| [19:43:40] | meshe: | if it goes, it goes |
| [19:43:45] | sphery: | yep |
| [19:44:03] | bsdfox: | sphery: lol I have a 2x80+2x120 stripe array in my backend |
| [19:44:05] | sphery: | that's what reruns (and purchasing DVD's for the important stuff) are for |
| [19:44:06] | bsdfox: | totally useless |
| [19:44:10] | wagnerrp: | i dont feel TV is worth the cost of RAID, but i think my transcodes/dvdrips are |
| [19:44:27] | wagnerrp: | i consider recordings to just be temporary files |
| [19:44:39] | meshe: | my myth box is also my backup server for my desktops, but that just gives me 2 places that data is kept |
| [19:44:49] | sphery: | If I want long-term archiving of something, I just buy the series on DVD--that way, I get all the extras, too. |
| [19:45:13] | meshe: | sphery: agreed |
| [19:45:21] | sphery: | Plus, I don't have bugs/logos/ads/weather warnings/breaking news/other garbage in my archive, that way |
| [19:45:53] | meshe: | I do however want all of my DVD's transcoded and stored on my myth box for easy access |
| [19:45:54] | sphery: | (or--for this year--election updates) |
| [19:46:28] | meshe: | which is going to take a *long* time to do |
| [19:46:39] | wagnerrp: | mashe: what processor? |
| [19:46:49] | sphery: | I can see making them available for easy access, but I wouldn't waste processor time transcoding them, and if you lost the ISO, you could just re-rip it (local laws permitting, of course) |
| [19:47:07] | meshe: | the myth server is a Celery 2.4 |
| [19:47:20] | wagnerrp: | ah, that is fairly slow |
| [19:47:27] | sphery: | 1.5TB HDD's for $129.99 make me think that transcoding is a waste of money (because time is money) |
| [19:47:46] | Dibblah: | Power is money. |
| [19:47:49] | meshe: | I'd probably transcode them on my husbands 3Ghz Core 2 Duo using Fair Use Wizard and move them over |
| [19:47:50] | wagnerrp: | i was going to say even with some fairly intensive settings on x264, i still manage about 1/2 realtime on my rips |
| [19:48:02] | wagnerrp: | (2.2GHz C2) |
| [19:48:05] | dustybin: | i rip all my dvds with handbrake, it cuts out all the extras / crap, + saves space |
| [19:48:08] | sphery: | (Or, "good-quality" 1.0TB HDD's for $99--there's much discussion about the quality of those 1.5TB HDD's) |
| [19:48:38] | Dibblah: | Going bleeding edge on HD size is silly. |
| [19:48:46] | gbee: | I wouldn't bother transcoding to a more compressed format, not least because I always feel there is a loss in quality, but I'd always lossless transcode (cut) out adverts |
| [19:48:58] | sphery: | meshe: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148337 :) |
| [19:49:04] | dustybin: | .mkv + ac3 audio ftw |
| [19:49:36] | meshe: | sphery: eventually, not too worried about it now |
| [19:49:38] | gbee: | and data streams, since trunk is currently broken in that regard and records the MHEG |
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| [19:50:26] | meshe: | I'm not horribly worried about quality, many of my shows and movies are already converted to divx |
| [19:50:41] | meshe: | (and yes, it's still legal to transcode your dvds here) |
| [19:51:30] | dustybin: | eeek divx, x264 ftw |
| [19:51:33] | sphery: | That 1.5TB would hold 175 DVD-9 (7.95GiB) DVD's. |
| [19:51:53] | meshe: | that's less than half of my dvds ;) |
| [19:51:56] | sphery: | and is actually quite power efficient compared to older/smaller HDD's |
| [19:52:05] | gbee: | and it's only 7.95GiB because of all the extras |
| [19:52:34] | meshe: | we broke 300 about a year and a half ago |
| [19:52:41] | meshe: | haven't counted since |
| [19:52:44] | gbee: | but if you want to keep those |
| [19:52:45] | sphery: | And, a lot are actually more lik 6–7GiB |
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| [19:53:43] | meshe: | anyone remember those 200CD carousel players? I kinda wish they would come out with something like that for DVDs |
| [19:54:02] | high-rez: | why? rip and forget. |
| [19:54:14] | gbee: | hmm, I love film but I couldn't imagine owning that many DVDs – I'm not even sure there are that many films I would pay to own and watching all those, not including new releases during that period would take years |
| [19:54:24] | meshe: | that will take me a long long long time |
| [19:54:31] | high-rez: | i keep my media as backups. given the cost of the actual movies, i dont like risking scratches etc. |
| [19:54:47] | high-rez: | Even my HD stuff. |
| [19:55:27] | gbee: | kind of glad that I ripped a DVD – the only one I've ever ripped, since I left it behind when I returned from holiday – doh |
| [19:55:57] | gbee: | only ripped it because I needed to see/test the mythdvd rip screens during the port to mythui |
| [19:56:00] | meshe: | we enjoy a wide range of movies, I love drama and comedy even old musical, my husband loves B movies and horrors |
| [19:57:01] | meshe: | it's not hard to build a huge collection |
| [19:57:54] | wagnerrp: | ive got a pair of friends who are in a bit of a competition |
| [19:58:00] | wagnerrp: | last i heard, they were both in the 700s |
| [19:58:13] | high-rez: | I love good movies, my wife loves crap ones. All of mine get copied onto the media server. Hers, well lets just hope they get scratched up one day. ;) |
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| [19:58:25] | jackson__: | good thing storage is getting denser and cheaper |
| [19:58:43] | meshe: | hope they have good insurance :) Half of my house contents insurance is just for DVDs |
| [19:58:52] | gbee: | I've no doubt I've watched far more films than is average even for this channel, but only a small few do I get the urge to buy the DVD, it has to be something very special before I'll do that, but usually it's a case of _must have_ |
| [19:59:40] | meshe: | lunch time, back later |
| [20:00:27] | gbee: | I should think about ripping my DVDs to mythvideo, but so far I haven't felt that I have enough space to justify it |
| [20:00:28] | sphery: | meshe: I think DVD changers exist (though I don't know how big they get) and one developer is working on adding support for using them in Myth. |
| [20:00:34] | justinh: | gbee: y'know I was thinking how much room to leave for the 'position' textarea in this new theme |
| [20:00:48] | justinh: | how many digits is enough?! 4 ? 5? 6?! |
| [20:02:17] | jams: | I believe consumer level dvd changers top out at 200 |
| [20:02:36] | justinh: | but with USB/ serial ports.. chain em! |
| [20:05:51] | gbee: | justinh: that's a good question, I don't know the answer but I'm assuming that most people have the sense to break down their collection into managable chunks |
| [20:06:36] | wagnerrp: | jams: i have a 300 changer, and the newer model of mine is 400 |
| [20:06:41] | gbee: | go into 5/6 digits and it's going to be slow loading anyway (without modification to allow background loading) |
| [20:07:01] | ruskie: | looking back at things I might want to own some day... hmm not that much there... |
| [20:07:09] | gbee: | wagnerrp: how big is that thing? |
| [20:07:26] | wagnerrp: | standard AV equipment size |
| [20:07:31] | wagnerrp: | about as big as my receiver |
| [20:07:55] | justinh: | gbee: I think as it stands now there's enough room for 5 digits. should be enough for now |
| [20:08:05] | gbee: | yeah |
| [20:08:06] | wagnerrp: | the unit is a big carousel, with the actual reader in the center |
| [20:08:29] | wagnerrp: | which is actually pretty nice, because you can load the reader on both sides |
| [20:08:36] | wagnerrp: | allowing for automatic flipping of disks |
| [20:08:49] | jams: | wagnerrp- hooks up to a pc? |
| [20:08:50] | justinh: | god I wish I'd learnt to inkscape sooner. PSP can't export anything as vectors :( |
| [20:08:52] | wagnerrp: | the handful or so that are actually double sided anyway |
| [20:09:26] | wagnerrp: | pc? no. standalone player |
| [20:09:32] | wagnerrp: | didnt know you were talking about ROMs |
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| [20:18:06] | sphery: | how can you fit 300 DVD's into a space the size of a standard piece of A/V equipment? |
| [20:18:30] | sphery: | Or is there some big cabinet attached to it elsewhere? |
| [20:18:56] | AndyCap: | torus/donut I guess |
| [20:19:04] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [20:19:06] | XLV: | most likely its the size of a large av amp |
| [20:19:20] | jackson__: | wagnerrp, 3u sized? |
| [20:19:40] | wagnerrp: | http://www.amazon.com/Sony-DVP-CX875P-changer . . . p/B00008A5WW |
| [20:21:19] | sphery: | Wow. That's impressive... (and an efficient means of storage)... Only problem is hanging on to the stacks of cases |
| [20:22:06] | wagnerrp: | heres the 400-disk one: http://www.amazon.com/Sony-DVPCX995V-400-Disc . . . p/B000A3XRSO |
| [20:22:29] | wagnerrp: | i guess the 400-disk one just has less gap between the disks |
| [20:22:56] | jackson__: | must be fun keeping track of what disc is in which slot :) |
| [20:23:18] | sphery: | Once GreyFoxx finishes up the MythVideo DVD changer storage group support, that (or a couple of them linked with USB) would be a great way for meshe to go. |
| [20:23:37] | sphery: | meshe: http://www.amazon.com/Sony-DVPCX995V-400-Disc . . . p/B000A3XRSO |
| [20:23:39] | laga: | if he's still working on it :) |
| [20:23:47] | wagnerrp: | we just have a little folder with a list, in both numerical and alphabetical order |
| [20:24:09] | wagnerrp: | plus, there is an onscreen list, populated on first play of a dvd |
| [20:24:19] | wagnerrp: | and a list in my harmony |
| [20:24:28] | XLV: | some also got usb connection to pc for some indexing, and controlling the unit |
| [20:24:43] | wagnerrp: | the new one might, my 300-disk doesnt |
| [20:25:14] | sphery: | You must believe in the not-quite-silver canid... If you believe, he will code it. |
| [20:26:47] | wagnerrp: | seems pioneer makes one too: http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-PD-F1009-301-Di . . . p/B00004RDL5 |
| [20:26:59] | Anduin: | I thought GreyFoxx was all done except cleanup on the changer stuff |
| [20:27:14] | laga: | Anduin: i wasn't paying attention then :) |
| [20:28:47] | Anduin: | I don't understand it though, unless you can find a cheap changer HDD space with a reasonable collection will be cheaper |
| [20:31:00] | sphery: | Yeah, I like the HDD approach, but the changer allows skipping the whole ripping step--and for some reason, it seems some people feel that "A 1.5TB HDD that only holds half of my collection isn't useful." :) |
| [20:32:10] | wagnerrp: | well i bought mine for $500, at a time when when 120GB and 160GB drives had just come out |
| [20:32:48] | wagnerrp: | so figure the cost to losslessly rip and store all of those discs would have been 4x that |
| [20:33:05] | sphery: | Yeah, things have changed a lot in the last year on the HDD front. |
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| [20:34:09] | sphery: | You could get 2 $129.99 1.5TB HDD's for the cost of the 400-disc changer, and each would hold about 175 DVD rips, so the HDD is a bit more expensive, but still reasonably similar in cost. |
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| [20:38:33] | gbee: | and consume a fraction of the space |
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| [20:39:13] | wagnerrp: | well, if you consider the space its going to take is already being used by an existing mythtv box |
| [20:39:13] | jams: | woohoo main menu popup patch updated for trunk |
| [20:40:18] | sphery: | wagnerrp: like it would be possible to ever give up your MythTV box... :) |
| [20:41:15] | wagnerrp: | well when i bought the changer, mythtv was still in its infancy, and the closest thing i had to a HTPC was bringing my laptop downstairs and plugging it into the TV |
| [20:44:04] | dustybin: | you cannot share the dvd changer with other frontends what might exist in your home |
| [20:44:08] | dustybin: | ? |
| [20:44:26] | wagnerrp: | that is true, i cannot |
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| [20:45:07] | wagnerrp: | kaleidoscope sells stuff that can do that, but their systems are a good order of magnitude more expensive |
| [20:45:34] | laga: | wagnerrp: does your dvd changer connect to the computer for playback, ie as a DVD-ROM drive? |
| [20:45:43] | wagnerrp: | no it does not |
| [20:45:48] | laga: | ah, sad. |
| [20:45:54] | laga: | because VLC can do DVD streaming ;) |
| [20:46:24] | wagnerrp: | c'mon! this is a sony product! do you think they would produce such a thing? |
| [20:46:56] | wagnerrp: | something like that might be used for... *gasp*... piracy |
| [20:47:18] | wagnerrp: | nevermind the fact that if you buy one of these things, you obviously have a large collection |
| [20:48:21] | dustybin: | i find ive started to watch a lot more of my dvds since i ripped them, before i couldnt be bothered to put them in the player |
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| [20:52:30] | jedi__: | If you are willing to transcode stuff, the physical changer quickly gets left in the dust. |
| [20:52:51] | jedi__: | a jukebox definitely makes a DVD more useful, convenient, valuable. |
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| [20:53:03] | jedi__: | the industry really missed the boat with that. |
| [20:53:07] | wagnerrp: | yeah, its basically just used for dvds i havent yet gotten around to rip |
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| [20:55:45] | sphery: | jedi__: really, there's no need to transcode--just rip |
| [20:55:46] | cvance: | How would I configure audio in mythtv. When I ran mythtv-setup there were no audio sections. I use alsa, and ran mythfrontend, but I have errors: error opening audio device the error was: No such file or directory. |
| [20:55:58] | cvance: | Sound is working properly in the rest of my system. |
| [20:56:09] | kormoc: | cvance, you setup audio in mythfrontend's settings |
| [20:56:29] | cvance: | you mean the settings option when i start mythfronend? |
| [20:56:37] | sphery: | use either, audio output device: /dev/dsp and mixer device /dev/mixer or audio output device ALSA:default and mixer device ALSA:default |
| [20:56:53] | kkuno: | hi |
| [20:56:54] | sphery: | yep, myhtfrontend, utilities|setup, settings |
| [20:57:09] | bradd: | kormoc: how does the mythweb ipod theme determine if a recording is ipod viewable? or is that(streaming a recording) not functional at this point? |
| [20:57:32] | cvance: | thank you kormoc and sphery i will put those in now |
| [20:57:53] | kkuno: | I'm recording with a 1700 kbps profile for 1 hour, and I get a 1.5 GB file |
| [20:57:56] | jedi__: | transcoding saves a lot of space. like mp3 most people aren't aware enough of the diffrences (between original and transcode) |
| [20:57:58] | kkuno: | is it correct? |
| [20:58:00] | kkuno: | O_o |
| [20:58:07] | kormoc: | bradd, first, the ipod viewable 'group' isn't hooked up yet, so nothing will ever show in that section for now, but if you go to the recording normal, it'll show a stream option if there's a file with the extension of .mp4 with the same name as the other recording |
| [20:58:28] | bradd: | okay |
| [20:58:30] | bradd: | thanks |
| [20:58:32] | wagnerrp: | kkuno: you should get half that |
| [20:58:34] | kormoc: | bradd, so 1102_1212122132132132.mpg would need 1102_1212122132132132.mp4 in the same directory |
| [20:58:42] | kormoc: | g'luck |
| [20:58:42] | kkuno: | wagnerrp, yes it's strange |
| [20:59:13] | kormoc: | kkuno, what's your device? |
| [20:59:15] | bradd: | ahh..okay..my ipod export script makes the file *.mpg.mp4..i'll need to update that |
| [20:59:28] | jedi__: | ...it all depends on the content. |
| [20:59:31] | kkuno: | kormoc, bt878 hauppauge wintv express |
| [20:59:41] | kkuno: | can I check if the recorded show is really 1700kbps? |
| [20:59:48] | sphery: | kkuno: 1700kbps is 729.5MiB/hr |
| [21:00:06] | kormoc: | kkuno, what's your 'max' bitrate set for that card? |
| [21:00:06] | kkuno: | + mp3 I think |
| [21:00:11] | sphery: | kkuno: there was a bug (but I'm pretty sure it's been fixed) where the software encoder used 2x the specified bitrate |
| [21:00:27] | sphery: | kkuno: so make sure you're running the most current -fixes |
| [21:00:47] | kkuno: | kormoc, how can I check it? |
| [21:00:51] | kormoc: | I remember when I was using a framegrabber, mine would tend towards the max bitrate rather then the min |
| [21:00:52] | cvance: | Sphery there is no option for ALSA:default in the audio output device list, I know mythtv was compiled with alsa support. |
| [21:01:00] | kormoc: | kkuno, when you setup the bitrate, there should be a max and a min |
| [21:01:00] | jedi__: | ...pretty much anything that I don't think I will ever want in bluray gets crunched down to h264. |
| [21:01:13] | kormoc: | cvance, you'll need to use a keyboard to type it in |
| [21:01:14] | sphery: | cvance: and you're using the most current 0.21-fixes? |
| [21:01:28] | sphery: | actually, it's in current 0.21-fixes |
| [21:01:45] | sphery: | if it's not in current 0.21-fixes, you don't have alsa support compiled in |
| [21:01:52] | cvance: | let me check it for you |
| [21:02:06] | justinh: | whee my usb converter doodah works fine with my 1TB HDDs |
| [21:02:18] | cvance: | i need to unmask it, im running 0.20.2 |
| [21:02:37] | cvance: | thanks, i feel noobish, i thought it was a dropdown menu |
| [21:02:38] | kormoc: | Go Gentoo! |
| [21:02:42] | cvance: | ;) |
| [21:02:46] | ** kormoc pokes Cardoe ** | |
| [21:02:51] | cvance: | i luv mah gentoo |
| [21:03:03] | kormoc: | As do I, Cardoe just hasn't unmasked it yet :P |
| [21:03:37] | cvance: | perfect, thank you all very much, as soon as I started it, it decied to play jerry springer with all the sound and everything...! |
| [21:03:39] | sphery: | cvance: yeah, you don't want 0.20, anything :) |
| [21:03:45] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i dont know why it is masked, it seems to compile/run just fine |
| [21:03:47] | cvance: | alright, will unmask |
| [21:03:53] | cvance: | or ~amd64 it |
| [21:03:58] | jedi__: | a drive chassis really shouldn't care about the size of drive it's holding... |
| [21:04:00] | cvance: | ill check the changelog |
| [21:04:01] | justinh: | it hasn't been around for 5 years yet, that's why |
| [21:04:06] | cvance: | lol |
| [21:04:10] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, there was a few very small issues Cardoe had that was holding it back, but I forget what they were |
| [21:04:30] | ** kormoc ponders if he really should commit a memcache backed mythweb ** | |
| [21:04:43] | cvance: | okay, will update |
| [21:04:46] | kkuno: | kormoc, http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/5091/schermata5do6.png |
| [21:04:50] | sphery: | Heh, Jerry Springer with the sound... Kind of goes against the whole Incubus "Talk Shows on Mute" thing. |
| [21:05:34] | dustybin: | will there be any changes to mythweb + plugins when .22 is released? |
| [21:05:37] | kormoc: | kkuno, woah, so ether my memory is faulty or that's changed in the past few years. |
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| [21:05:46] | ** sphery just hopes he cfdisk'ed/formatted the right HDD ** | |
| [21:06:16] | kormoc: | dustybin, nah, mythweb is entirely static, no work going on with that at all |
| [21:06:31] | sphery: | lol |
| [21:06:44] | sphery: | slackin' developers on MythWeb |
| [21:06:50] | hads: | hah |
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| [21:07:17] | dustybin: | aye ok |
| [21:07:24] | kormoc: | Yeah, they're most certainly not adding new templates, fixing bottle necks, or cleaning up the code. Most certainly not! |
| [21:08:08] | sphery: | kormoc: I was thinking of a couple of new links in the program details page of MythWeb for "Search on..." themoviedb.org and thetvdb.org (i.e. ones that don't steal your contributions). Objections? |
| [21:08:23] | kormoc: | Not at all |
| [21:08:46] | justinh: | oh dear Lord. my network rsync was faster |
| [21:08:47] | sphery: | cool... I'll try to figure out the proper way to do that and post a patch. |
| [21:08:52] | kkuno: | I have set 640x480 for the resolution |
| [21:08:57] | kkuno: | can it be a problem? |
| [21:09:15] | wagnerrp: | are you using a widescreen theme? |
| [21:09:20] | sphery: | kkuno: did you verify you're using current 0.21-fixes so you don't have the 2x bitrate bug? |
| [21:09:43] | wagnerrp: | i thought he verified he was using 0.20.2 |
| [21:09:55] | wagnerrp: | no, that was cvance |
| [21:10:08] | kkuno: | sphery, well I'm using mythtv-fixes 18314 |
| [21:10:11] | cvance: | sorry what about me |
| [21:10:15] | wagnerrp: | nevermind |
| [21:10:16] | kkuno: | I'll try to compile a newer version soon |
| [21:10:29] | gbee: | ok, to avoid confusion can everyone put their version after their nickname |
| [21:10:49] | kormoc is now known as kormoc-future-tr | |
| [21:10:52] | kkuno: | lol |
| [21:10:54] | kormoc-future-tr: | sad, it won't fix |
| [21:10:56] | wagnerrp is now known as Wagner_0 | |
| [21:10:57] | kormoc-future-tr: | kormoc-future-trunk |
| [21:10:59] | kormoc-future-tr is now known as kormoc | |
| [21:11:11] | cvance: | yeah, im updating to .21 now |
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| [21:11:19] | Wagner_0: | seems i cannot have nicks with periods in them |
| [21:11:21] | ** kormoc sees the future of the code! ** | |
| [21:11:21] | cvance: | seeing all the new goodies i'll get |
| [21:11:24] | Wagner_0 is now known as Wagner_0_superme | |
| [21:11:32] | Wagner_0_superme: | bah... |
| [21:11:35] | cvance: | actually im setting this mythtv setup for my girlfriend |
| [21:11:37] | Wagner_0_superme is now known as Wagner | |
| [21:11:37] | gbee: | :) |
| [21:11:49] | cvance: | i bullied her into using linux so now i have to show her all the stuff it can do |
| [21:11:50] | justinh: | 640x480... nothing but the best for her eh |
| [21:12:02] | bsdfox: | wow you're an asshole |
| [21:12:51] | Huijari: | :D |
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| [21:13:17] | justinh: | somebody said the magic word.. now they'll all come back out of the woodwork. nice work |
| [21:14:06] | kormoc: | magic word? |
| [21:14:09] | kkuno: | i tried to open the recording with vlc, and it gave me an avarage bitrate of 4000kbps |
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| [21:14:22] | kormoc: | so halve your bitrate settings? |
| [21:14:32] | kkuno: | I'll try |
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| [21:14:49] | cvance: | sorry ran out of ram |
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| [21:15:48] | kkuno: | lolf |
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| [21:16:50] | sphery: | kkuno: yeah, I'm pretty sure (though I don't feel like looking up the commit to verify) you have the buggy version. Either halve your bitrate like kormoc suggested, or upgrade. :) |
| [21:17:12] | kkuno: | ok |
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| [21:20:15] | sphery: | and if you halve the bitrate, remember you did it, so when you upgrade you don't wonder why quality is so much worse on the newer version :) |
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| [21:21:09] | ** kormoc wonders what strange and unusual ways the masses will use to break memcache ** | |
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| [21:22:52] | ** dustybin creates the first ever mythtv.Expl0it.mythw3b.m3mcache.v1.0 ** | |
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| [21:23:49] | Wagner: | good thinking! considering that any properly configured mythweb is not going to be accessible |
| [21:24:12] | dustybin: | Wagner: ever head of local exploits? :P |
| [21:24:14] | dustybin: | heard |
| [21:24:46] | Wagner: | you have to have local access first, which means something has already gone horribly... horribly wrong... |
| [21:26:32] | justinh: | Wagner: dustybin is a master locksmith & the most skilled of all social engineers you'll ever see |
| [21:27:31] | dustybin: | :P |
| [21:28:36] | bradd: | kormoc: i think you broke something with the class_autoload.php upgrade |
| [21:28:40] | sphery: | I got a phone call about a forgotten password on my Myth box, which confused me since I'm the only user. When the voice on the phone explained that he was really me calling from the future, it finally made sense, so I reset the password for him. |
| [21:29:08] | kormoc: | bradd, ooh? |
| [21:29:35] | kkuno: | lol |
| [21:29:40] | ** dustybin rolls up sleeves and starts work on: MythTV.Backend <= 1.01 IFF Delete All Recordings Stack Buffer Overflow Exploit ** | |
| [21:29:49] | bradd: | seems so..im still messing around but post 19286 going to the recorded screen didnt work..and i got this in the apache log |
| [21:29:55] | bradd: | File does not exist: /var/www/html/myth |
| [21:30:08] | bradd: | mythweb is installed at /var/www/html/mythweb for me |
| [21:30:12] | kormoc: | bradd, what bout errors to the screen? |
| [21:30:17] | laga: | dustybin: what's a stack buffer overflow? |
| [21:30:25] | dustybin: | laga: dunno :P |
| [21:30:27] | justinh: | hmmm. nothing quite like running into icon hell to dispirit you |
| [21:30:27] | kormoc: | that class autoload change shouldn't have changed anything at all like that |
| [21:30:31] | bradd: | my browser just timed out |
| [21:30:35] | bradd: | hmmm |
| [21:30:38] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [21:30:42] | bradd: | maybe it was something else |
| [21:30:53] | bradd: | let me play with it a bit more |
| [21:31:02] | kormoc: | and the cache files I commited aren't hooked up yet, so they're largely a noop right now |
| [21:32:31] | bradd: | hmmm..odd..it works now..timed out like 3 times in a row though..sorry. false alarm |
| [21:34:03] | kormoc: | weird |
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| [21:34:22] | bradd: | still i wonder about that error in my apache log though..first ive noticed that |
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| [21:40:31] | Chutt: | who the hell encodes video with i-frames 30 seconds apart |
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| [21:44:05] | janneg: | some european broadcaster do something like that with h264 |
| [21:45:32] | janneg: | it's not that bad, they probably have I-frames every second but IDR frames are minutes appart |
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| [21:45:56] | janneg: | IDR frames are strictly speaking needed to start decoding |
| [21:47:06] | Chutt: | actual I frames, not IDR |
| [21:47:13] | Chutt: | it's silly |
| [21:47:14] | gbee: | they can only get away with such stuff because commercial decoders are so lenient |
| [21:47:34] | Chutt: | this movie file is 5 minutes long, and you can seek to one of 8 points |
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| [21:48:17] | Chutt: | rewind is horrible at 1x, it displays a frame, then waits 30 seconds.. displays another |
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| [21:50:37] | stevi: | Hello, I'm new to this irc channel. I have a problem while watching my recordings. Could somebody please help me? The problem is that sometimes when I watch a recording it skips back or forth in the film. |
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| [21:51:24] | stevi: | http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/fb8ed3c1 there's my log-file |
| [21:52:35] | stevi: | I watched a film for the last two hours an this skipping-issue happend four or five times. really annoying :( |
| [21:53:42] | meshe: | kormoc: what are you using memcache for in MythWeb out of curiosity? |
| [21:54:19] | gbee: | suprised to see someone still using a PVR-350 for video out |
| [21:54:39] | meshe: | gbee: that's how I set up my parents Myth box |
| [21:54:57] | meshe: | works great for their old tube tv |
| [21:55:00] | kormoc: | meshe, object caching |
| [21:55:04] | stevi: | I# |
| [21:55:20] | stevi: | i'm also using a 350. works good |
| [21:55:27] | kormoc: | meshe, and really, it'll be memcache backed php static caching for the people that want to really use it |
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| [21:56:01] | meshe: | so you'll avoid reconstructing the objects for each page load? |
| [21:56:13] | kormoc: | meshe, basically, we instantiate a ton of objects all the time with info that rarely changes, program info only changes once a day or so, recording objects stick around the same for days/weeks |
| [21:56:16] | kormoc: | meshe, that's the idea |
| [21:56:27] | gbee: | meshe: 350 video out frequently gets broken since none of the devs use it, I didn't even know it still worked at all |
| [21:56:44] | kormoc: | meshe, less backend/database queries == faster end result |
| [21:57:13] | meshe: | gbee: worked great on mythbuntu 7.10, I'll be updating to 8.10 soon on that box and we'll see how it works |
| [21:57:30] | meshe: | kormoc: that's a sound principle :) |
| [21:57:53] | meshe: | <---- Web Software Developer for 8 years now |
| [21:57:59] | gbee: | stevi: a mythfrontend log with -v playback might tell us more, but also check to see that the recordedseek table in the database isn't corrupt |
| [21:58:08] | gbee: | could try rebuilding the seektables too |
| [21:58:08] | kormoc: | meshe, welp, feel free to jump in and help out :) |
| [21:58:20] | kormoc: | meshe, I've been for 7 years now or so myself :) |
| [21:58:27] | gbee: | stevi: disable "auto-skip commercials" if enabled |
| [21:58:38] | meshe: | kormoc: i may, if time permits |
| [21:58:42] | stevi: | auto-skip is disabled |
| [21:58:50] | meshe: | though i'm already very impressed with mythweb |
| [21:59:00] | kormoc: | meshe, yeah, the cache layer is also extendable, the SHM module needs to be written, and I'm reworking the class structure to be much more OOP friendly |
| [21:59:03] | meshe: | i love the flash player addition |
| [21:59:17] | kormoc: | the speed issues really shine with the ipod template, so I'm really working on the bottlenecks right now |
| [21:59:23] | kormoc: | Yeah, it's slick :) |
| [21:59:36] | meshe: | I'd love a similar implementation for iPhone |
| [22:00:06] | kormoc: | there's streaming support to the iphone/ipod if you transcode your recordings first |
| [22:00:11] | kormoc: | that's in place in -trunk right now |
| [22:00:26] | meshe: | maybe live transcoding and channel changing :) |
| [22:00:29] | kormoc: | and there's a 'native' interface template that needs a good bit of work |
| [22:00:32] | kormoc: | sadly it's not so easy |
| [22:00:38] | meshe: | i figured :) |
| [22:00:54] | kormoc: | the moov atom is required before playback can start, and it needs to know bit perfect offsets for the full stream |
| [22:01:01] | meshe: | i'd rather not litter my server with 2 versions of the same video |
| [22:01:04] | kormoc: | so it needs the full stream before it can be generated sadly |
| [22:01:52] | meshe: | i've already tried working on a live transcoder for my static media, didn't work out so well |
| [22:01:55] | kormoc: | If anyone writes a generic media handler for the device so it can playback mpeg2/whatever and hooks it up so it fires off automatically from safari, we can stream any format |
| [22:02:19] | meshe: | that won't happen for anything other than jailbroken phones |
| [22:02:30] | kormoc: | I even attempted to setup the stream as a pile of 30 second videos just offset from each other, and that didn't work out so well :P |
| [22:02:36] | meshe: | and that may already be possible there |
| [22:02:38] | kormoc: | yeah, sadly that's true |
| [22:02:55] | meshe: | but I have yet to find the reason for me to jailbreak |
| [22:03:09] | kormoc: | I can't jailbreak at all, ipod touch gen 2 :( |
| [22:03:20] | meshe: | yet... |
| [22:03:45] | bradd: | i jailbroke my phone for the terminal and sip client |
| [22:03:52] | stevi: | i started mythfrondend now with -v playback and wait until it happens again. |
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| [22:05:34] | kormoc: | Haha! I knew it! I bricked my gpu totally |
| [22:05:43] | kormoc: | http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.ph . . . #post1868086 |
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| [22:08:53] | stevi: | could it have to do something with WriteAudio: buffer underrun or with DPMS Deactivated/DPMS Reactivated which both appear often in the log (http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/fb8ed3c1)? |
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| [22:09:04] | meshe: | bradd: I'm using fring as my sip client |
| [22:09:27] | bradd: | i thought fring could only be used with free.fr or something... |
| [22:09:31] | meshe: | and i don't need local terminal, I just iSSH for connection to my servers |
| [22:09:36] | laga: | i just got a phone which doesn't have to be jailbroken ;) |
| [22:09:48] | meshe: | no, you can connect to any sip provider |
| [22:09:56] | meshe: | works great on my asterisk box at home |
| [22:10:09] | bradd: | well..i also use pdanet on occasion |
| [22:10:25] | meshe: | tethering? |
| [22:10:27] | bradd: | yea |
| [22:10:34] | meshe: | yeah, haven't needed that |
| [22:10:49] | meshe: | i used to have a phone i could tether and i just never used it |
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| [22:11:34] | meshe: | so, i still haven't found a good reason for me to jailbreak |
| [22:11:36] | janneg: | kormoc: bugger, but only the video pipeline though that the most interesting part |
| [22:11:41] | bradd: | does fring let you make calls over 3g? or just wireless? |
| [22:11:48] | meshe: | just wireless |
| [22:11:57] | bradd: | ahh..siax lets you make calls over 3g |
| [22:12:23] | meshe: | kewl, i have unlimited voice minutes and can route LD calls through my voip server at home by dialing into it |
| [22:12:56] | meshe: | $40/mo for unlimited anytime minutes on my cell phone |
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| [22:13:24] | bradd: | i expense my cell phone bill :) |
| [22:14:12] | meshe: | mines all personal |
| [22:15:40] | kormoc: | janneg, Aye, it's very very weird. And the other part, even after power cycles, the myth OSD can still be seen in the corrupted output, when using mplayer without ever running myth |
| [22:16:07] | laga: | kormoc: scary. |
| [22:16:19] | laga: | kormoc: have you tried a fresh install? or a live disk? |
| [22:16:40] | kormoc: | Aye, I used a rescue disk I have, and swapped to another mobo, same thing with VDPAU |
| [22:17:00] | kormoc: | I think I'm gonna just buy another card and hope I can't dupe it |
| [22:17:23] | laga: | maybe the nvidia guys are interested in getting your card.. |
| [22:18:15] | kormoc: | perhaps, I'll offer after I get a replacement :) |
| [22:19:26] | meshe: | hehe: "First off, the chances of that bug having actually damaged HW are nil." and "That's odd. There are no obvious errors in either the MPlayer VDPAU or the MythTV log files. At this point, I don't know what to say." |
| [22:20:05] | meshe: | burned your data into vram? |
| [22:20:36] | laga: | could be worse than the mythtv OSD |
| [22:21:35] | kormoc: | I like the fact that running it with ffmpeg12 also is totally corrupt with their patches |
| [22:21:48] | kormoc: | which they said was software based, which makes me wonder |
| [22:22:28] | sphery: | Gotta love that... Successfully moved all recordings off a 750GB HDD, repartitioned 750GB, moved the boot/root/recordings off and old 320GB to the 750GB, to get my master backend running again--and I finished it before primetime |
| [22:22:41] | kormoc: | you know, it *is* a fanless card in a hot box, I wonder if it just got way too hot and killed something |
| [22:22:51] | sphery: | kormoc: 8x00? |
| [22:23:04] | kormoc: | 8400 gs 256mb |
| [22:23:07] | meshe: | kormoc: that's definately a possiblity |
| [22:23:16] | kormoc: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127367 |
| [22:23:46] | meshe: | sphery: not bad, it took me 8+ hours to get my whole setup up and running, including a networked frontend |
| [22:24:01] | meshe: | (thankfully i saved the xorg.conf from the previous install) |
| [22:24:10] | XLV: | 8400/8500/8600 chips atleast in laptops but maybe in desktop forms are quite problematic.. you know, the thermal death issue.. |
| [22:24:41] | Wagner: | i thought the thermal death issue was due to the fans not kicking in properly |
| [22:24:53] | Wagner: | which in the case of a fanless card, should not matter |
| [22:25:41] | sphery: | meshe: took me a /lot/ longer than that to shuffle around all my HDD's because of the time it took to copy the data (in addition, I moved data from a 1.5TB->1.5TB to allow me to safely upgrade the firmware on both 1.5TB's). 8hrs for a (first-time?) setup isn't bad, though (and great if it was the first time). |
| [22:25:47] | meshe: | unless the box doesn't have enough air movement |
| [22:26:05] | XLV: | Wagner, iirc it was cause of problematic substrate http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2 . . . -g84-g86-bad so it matters even in fanless cards, it had nothing to do with fan speed, but thats the way nvidia fixed ( increased fan speeds or lowering freq/volts ) |
| [22:26:27] | meshe: | sphery: first time in a year and first time ever doing a networked front-end |
| [22:26:29] | sphery: | kormoc: it's the inq, so take it with appropriate grain(s) of salt, but http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2 . . . ps-defective and http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2 . . . ctive?page=2 |
| [22:26:33] | kormoc: | 5x 80 mm fans, 1x 120 mm fan, cooling 8 hard drives, core 2 duo, video card and tuner |
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| [22:27:16] | sphery: | kormoc: according to the inq, it's the heat/cool cycles more than anything that cause issues |
| [22:27:42] | sphery: | oops, second link was supposed to be http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2 . . . ective-chips |
| [22:28:33] | kormoc: | sphery, the box stays at consistent temps and the gpu is always warmish/hotish to the touch, it never really changes, as that box is on 24x7 |
| [22:28:56] | meshe: | shouldn't be a temp issue then |
| [22:28:56] | janneg: | kormoc: you see the mythtv osd still moving the card to anotther machine? strange |
| [22:29:03] | meshe: | how old is the card? |
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| [22:29:27] | kormoc: | janneg, Aye, but it's only faint and it's in the corrupted image |
| [22:29:29] | kormoc: | meshe, 3 months |
| [22:29:30] | janneg: | have the graphic cards a non-volatile memory |
| [22:29:52] | kormoc: | janneg, they have firmware, but outside of that... |
| [22:30:19] | sphery: | I don't know if there's heat strain involved in the on-GPU decoding, but that's the kind of thing I was thinking of (i.e. similar to going from idle to full 3D) rather than full power off to power on |
| [22:30:21] | meshe: | if hardware is going to show defects it's usually in the first couple weeks or after years |
| [22:30:23] | kormoc: | The main thing I'm wondering is, given I did the get without allocating if the pointer was pointing to a chunk of it's firmware and it overwrote itself |
| [22:30:36] | kormoc: | sphery, hrm, perhaps |
| [22:31:01] | meshe: | kormoc: that could be :S |
| [22:31:19] | meshe: | but then why is it pulling display info from firmware? |
| [22:32:02] | gbee: | firmware would be in a discrete rom, not the video ram |
| [22:32:08] | janneg: | kormoc: that should be usually be protected but it's possible. see recent e1000 nvram corruption |
| [22:32:17] | sphery: | kormoc: can you get new firmware/BIOS for nv cards? Maybe the Windows drivers will update? |
| [22:32:47] | dustybin: | if you spend too many hours hacking mythtv, could one end up looking like this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5e . . . nt_state.jpg |
| [22:33:01] | sphery: | wonder if just trying it on a windows box would cause the windows drivers to reset it all properly... |
| [22:33:14] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [22:33:22] | Wagner: | if thats supposed to be a joke, i dont get it |
| [22:33:27] | kormoc: | I don't have a windows box handy, but I'll see if I can seek out one |
| [22:33:43] | GreyFoxx: | dustybin: hair is overrated |
| [22:33:46] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [22:34:02] | sphery: | if nothing else, you probably know your card is toast if you see the Myth OSD in windows... :) |
| [22:34:03] | dustybin: | :P |
| [22:34:09] | gbee: | easy to say that if you have it |
| [22:34:19] | meshe: | hehe, it would be a facelift for windows |
| [22:34:21] | laga: | dustybin: how's that? |
| [22:34:30] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: agreed--I shaved mine off about 4 years ago |
| [22:34:31] | ** dustybin runs ** | |
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| [22:34:55] | laga: | sphery: and it hasn't grown back since then? |
| [22:34:58] | laga: | s/how/who/ |
| [22:35:31] | dustybin: | i was just interested who invented C++ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bjarne_Stroustrup |
| [22:35:45] | sphery: | the constant shaving again keeps it from growing back... http://headblade.com/ ftw! |
| [22:35:54] | laga: | dustybin: ah |
| [22:36:09] | GreyFoxx: | sphery: If my wife wouldn't kill me in my sleep I'd shave mine off too |
| [22:36:13] | GreyFoxx: | but she loves it |
| [22:36:21] | GreyFoxx: | (thick wavy and curly) |
| [22:36:22] | laga: | sphery: that's kinda cool. |
| [22:36:25] | GreyFoxx: | I can't stand it :) |
| [22:36:57] | sphery: | yeah, that's not an issue for me... My coastline had eroded into a peninsula, and I wanted to do something about it before it became an island. :) |
| [22:37:04] | Wagner: | is that... the suck cut??? |
| [22:37:07] | GreyFoxx: | hwh |
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| [22:37:55] | sphery: | no, headblade is a razor designed for /shaving/ the head, not for trimming hair |
| [22:38:15] | Wagner: | oh, thats a finger hole, not a handle |
| [22:38:19] | laga: | sphery: haha. the headblade song is.. interesting. their german version of the video was made with a text to speech engine |
| [22:38:30] | sphery: | lol |
| [22:38:42] | sphery: | so, it's babblefish speak? |
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| [22:39:03] | sphery: | or a proper translation with just a computer reading it? |
| [22:39:11] | laga: | sphery: no, a proper translation |
| [22:39:16] | sphery: | oh |
| [22:39:21] | laga: | the TTS engine sounds decent, but it's obvious :) |
| [22:39:37] | laga: | or it's a human and he's.. well, dunno. |
| [22:40:08] | kormoc: | Boten Anna! |
| [22:40:28] | laga: | boten anna didn't have TTS |
| [22:40:34] | laga: | and she wasn't a bot ;) |
| [22:41:18] | kormoc: | Shh! You gave away the ending :) |
| [22:41:23] | sid3windr: | boten anna didn't have tits? |
| [22:41:24] | laga: | sorry :( |
| [22:41:28] | sid3windr: | or err am I misreading this :> |
| [22:41:34] | laga: | sid3windr: uh, yeah ;) |
| [22:42:15] | kormoc: | laga, what amused me most was the long wikipedia article on it :P |
| [22:42:31] | laga: | kormoc: en.wikipedia.org is.. interesting |
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| [22:54:33] | stevi: | hey, I'm back again. It happened again while watching live-tv. It skipped back for a few minutes. at the end of this http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/m75b59330 there's the output of mythfrontend -v playback. |
| [22:56:01] | stevi: | i think this one could be the important one: # |
| [22:56:01] | stevi: | 2008-12–08 23:45:34.194 Dec: DoRewind(35624 (50728), do discard frames) |
| [22:56:01] | stevi: | # |
| [22:56:01] | stevi: | 2008-12–08 23:45:34.194 IVD: SeekReset(35616, 0, do flush, do discard) |
| [22:56:01] | stevi: | # |
| [22:56:02] | stevi: | 2008-12–08 23:45:34.194 IVD: Stop(0) — begin |
| [22:56:04] | stevi: | # |
| [22:56:06] | stevi: | 2008-12–08 23:45:34.195 IVD: Stop(0) — end |
| [22:56:08] | stevi: | # |
| [22:56:10] | stevi: | 2008-12–08 23:45:34.195 IVD: Flush() |
| [22:56:11] | Wagner: | aaaaggghhhh |
| [22:56:12] | stevi: | # |
| [22:56:14] | stevi: | 2008-12–08 23:45:34.195 IVD: Start(0 skipped, 5 muted) — begin |
| [22:56:16] | stevi: | # |
| [22:56:18] | stevi: | 2008-12–08 23:45:34.209 IVD: Start(0 skipped, 5 muted) — end |
| [22:56:19] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o kormoc | |
| [22:56:45] | kormoc: | stevi, oh, you lucky lucky man... |
| [22:56:50] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [22:56:50] | Wagner: | bang bang kormoc's silver hammer.... |
| [22:56:59] | stevi: | ? |
| [22:57:03] | Mode for #mythtv-users by kormoc!n=kormoc@unaffiliated/kormoc : -o kormoc | |
| [22:57:12] | Wagner: | check the topic, no pasting |
| [22:57:18] | meshe: | too much pasty |
| [22:57:19] | kormoc: | stevi, don't flood the channel, it's all covered in the channel rules |
| [22:57:29] | stevi: | oh, I'm sorry |
| [22:57:32] | Wagner: | 'Use http://pastebin.ca/' |
| [22:57:57] | Chutt: | stevi, pvr-350 support is no longer supported |
| [22:58:09] | Chutt: | if it's broken, nobody will fix it |
| [22:58:17] | meshe: | by the +o on kormac, you almost got kicked |
| [22:58:43] | meshe: | where did it break out of curiosity? |
| [22:58:47] | stevi: | i don't think it's a 350 issue. a friend of mine has exactly the same machine and this doesn't happen |
| [22:59:10] | Chutt: | sure it is |
| [22:59:10] | meshe: | X, drivers? |
| [22:59:39] | stevi: | ah, okay :( |
| [23:00:22] | janneg: | stevi: if this is trunk please try reverting 19242 |
| [23:01:02] | stevi: | no, it's not. It is mythbuntu 8.10 upgraded from 8.04 |
| [23:01:12] | stevi: | it also happened with 8.04 |
| [23:01:23] | janneg: | k |
| [23:02:10] | gbee: | ugh, plasma has now consumed enough memory that I'm into swap, with 4Gb |
| [23:03:19] | gbee: | at least when it crashed all the time that memory was freed |
| [23:05:14] | Chutt: | gbee, have you disabled effects, switched to xrender instead of opengl, etc? |
| [23:07:15] | gbee: | effects are disabled, but still using opengl, thought that would be the faster option |
| [23:08:09] | meshe: | the mythtv.org wiki still says that the PVR 350 is: a single-card solution for input/ouput of video and audio to a standard television, running only MythTV and recordings. |
| [23:08:25] | janneg: | gbee: it's here at 49M with 25M shared with effects enabled |
| [23:09:28] | gbee: | before I killed it, it was 709m with 25m shared, 1035 virt |
| [23:09:38] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v xris | |
| [23:11:40] | janneg: | is that kde 4.1.x or still 4.0.x |
| [23:11:40] | dustybin: | do you think it would be cool to have mythtvosd --template=scroller --scroll_text= incorporated into mythweb? |
| [23:12:05] | gbee: | 4.1.3 |
| [23:12:36] | ** kormoc raises an eyebrow at dustybin ** | |
| [23:12:58] | ** dustybin blinks fast ** | |
| [23:13:00] | gbee: | Plasma Workspace: 0.1 |
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