| Sunday, December 7th, 2008, 00:01 UTC | ||
| [00:01:04] | wagnerrp: | weight: 170lbs |
| [00:01:05] | wagnerrp: | !!! |
| [00:01:22] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if that is with or without drives |
| [00:02:12] | AndyCap: | must be with drives? |
| [00:03:02] | AndyCap: | unless they made it from uranium or something. |
| [00:03:57] | kormoc: | cause 48 drives are so heavy? |
| [00:05:17] | Captain_Murdoch: | max normally means max |
| [00:05:20] | Captain_Murdoch: | :) |
| [00:06:51] | AndyCap: | drives would be 71 lbs |
| [00:07:10] | AndyCap: | if they're seagate barracuda es.2 1TB. |
| [00:08:23] | kormoc: | my point still stands, when your talking bout 4% of the weight, you can't really assume they'd be included or not :P |
| [00:08:48] | wagnerrp: | well thats more like 40% of the weight |
| [00:09:22] | kormoc: | oh crap |
| [00:09:24] | AndyCap: | it's not like there's room for much more weight within the confines of 4U rackspace |
| [00:09:31] | kormoc: | I read it as 1701 lbs, not 170... |
| [00:09:37] | AndyCap: | haha |
| [00:09:53] | wagnerrp: | could you make something 4U sized weighing 1701 lbs? |
| [00:10:00] | wagnerrp: | maybe solid depleted uranium |
| [00:10:05] | ** Captain_Murdoch imagines one of his 51U racks full of 1701 LB 4U storage servers. ** | |
| [00:10:08] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: I'd think so, but not with 48 drives |
| [00:10:45] | kormoc: | meh, I didn't realize it was 4u, was thinking it might be talking bout a rack or what not |
| [00:11:05] | wagnerrp: | 57.5 kcc |
| [00:12:05] | wagnerrp: | thats ~13g/cc |
| [00:12:13] | wagnerrp: | lead is 11.34 g/cc |
| [00:12:17] | AndyCap: | so about 1098 kg in uranium. :) |
| [00:12:42] | wagnerrp: | uranium is 19, so you could definately manage that |
| [00:12:53] | mzb_d800: | does anyone have a (nice) way of determining the actual length of .nuv ? |
| [00:12:53] | AndyCap: | Not sure the floor could though |
| [00:13:08] | mzb_d800: | (not from the db) |
| [00:13:23] | kormoc: | mzb_d800, mplayer + nuv patches + --identify ? |
| [00:13:24] | wagnerrp: | well your floor would have to be several inches of steel, as opposed to the traditional raised |
| [00:13:24] | xris: | mzb_d800: nuvinfo? |
| [00:13:43] | mzb_d800: | nuvinfo is from db, right? |
| [00:13:58] | wagnerrp: | thats only 10.3T, not too bad |
| [00:14:09] | AndyCap: | I'm sure you could make raised flooring to match. You'd just need to replace the sucker with an electromagnet from the junkyard |
| [00:16:33] | mzb_d800: | kormoc: where can I find those patches? |
| [00:17:34] | mzb_d800: | my current mplayer version is dev-SVN-r26940 |
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| [00:31:22] | squish102: | having just set up a new mythbuntu box, top is sowing a constant 30% wait on IO. top shows nothing (2% kjournald). how do i figure out what is using all this IO? |
| [00:32:12] | mzb_d800: | as far as I can tell, nuv patch(es) have already been applied to mplayer (circa 2003) ... which patches are you referring to kormoc? |
| [00:32:33] | wagnerrp: | check your mythtv logs |
| [00:32:57] | wagnerrp: | i recently had my mysql server stop midway through an SD update |
| [00:33:11] | kormoc: | mzb_d800, when I was using nuv a few years ago, Gentoo shipped mythtv-specific nuv patches for mplayer |
| [00:33:14] | wagnerrp: | and the script just kept reporting failure on mysql several dozen times a second |
| [00:33:26] | squish102: | wagnerrp THANKS |
| [00:33:30] | squish102: | that was it!!! |
| [00:33:31] | wagnerrp: | flooded my log files |
| [00:33:41] | mzb_d800: | I don't think that applies now. mplayer supports nuv afaik, but the identify command is unreliable |
| [00:34:04] | kormoc: | mzb_d800, at the time, they were for myth's nuv support, as myth has custom nuv changes |
| [00:34:14] | mzb_d800: | hmm |
| [00:35:06] | mzb_d800: | Wed Apr 9 12:00:00 2003 Axel Thimm |
| [00:35:06] | mzb_d800: | - Apply patch from Matt Zimmerman for mythtv nuv format. |
| [00:35:14] | kormoc: | fair 'nuff |
| [00:38:51] | Lexridge: | I just got off the phone with a friend who is installing mythtv for the first time. why is it one has to run mythfilldatabase before the tuner will actually tune in anything? He was getting a black screen before doing this. |
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| [00:39:43] | JonBaugh: | black screen doing what? |
| [00:39:48] | Lexridge: | I had the same problem before signing up with schedules direct. |
| [00:40:01] | JonBaugh: | HD/SD? |
| [00:40:05] | Lexridge: | black screen for a few minutes, then returning to main frontend menu. |
| [00:40:08] | Lexridge: | SD |
| [00:40:29] | JonBaugh: | did he run the channel scan during setup? |
| [00:40:32] | Lexridge: | yes |
| [00:40:46] | JonBaugh: | weird |
| [00:40:54] | Lexridge: | It found all his cable channels just fine....yea, weird is right! |
| [00:41:32] | Lexridge: | but then again, I had the same exact problem when setting my mythtv up for the first time. Perhaps it has something to do with the HVR1600 card, which we both have. |
| [00:41:46] | JonBaugh: | I'm definately not an expert... but I haven't seen that |
| [00:42:11] | JonBaugh: | I've got a couple of PVR-500's and I can't recall that |
| [00:42:28] | Lexridge: | I've reinstalled my backend server 4 times, and had to do the schedules direct update every time before I could see video. |
| [00:42:58] | Lexridge: | Perhaps there is a step I am bypassing or something. |
| [00:43:15] | JonBaugh: | sounds like the channel changer is dependent on the DB to know where to tune |
| [00:43:22] | Lexridge: | yea, agreed |
| [00:43:26] | kormoc: | it is |
| [00:43:36] | kormoc: | the database has the channel numbers |
| [00:43:45] | kormoc: | and the channel numbers match up to the frequencies |
| [00:43:46] | Lexridge: | one would think the channel scan would take care of that. |
| [00:43:57] | JonBaugh: | which isn't really a problem I guess, since myth only really works if the DB has info |
| [00:43:59] | wagnerrp: | channel scan should take care of that |
| [00:44:11] | Lexridge: | humm, that is strange then |
| [00:44:23] | wagnerrp: | always has for me, although i dont know if ive ever actually used mythtv sans scheduling data |
| [00:44:42] | JonBaugh: | is there much of a point without? |
| [00:44:56] | Lexridge: | My friend wanted to do just that. But I think I've talked him into subscribing to SD. |
| [00:44:57] | wagnerrp: | not as far as im concerned |
| [00:45:17] | Lexridge: | he's working on the 7 day trial ATM. |
| [00:45:21] | JonBaugh: | well, yeah, it's what, $20 a year? |
| [00:45:26] | Lexridge: | yea, a bargain! |
| [00:45:38] | JonBaugh: | I was sold in the first 30 minutes of my 7 day trial? |
| [00:45:38] | Lexridge: | cheaper than TiVO!!! |
| [00:45:38] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i was even happy paying at the old $60/yr |
| [00:46:14] | JonBaugh: | I did miss the free datadirect |
| [00:46:31] | Lexridge: | I actually paid $5 three times before subscribing for a whole year...DOH!! Mainly just still tweaking on things and didn't want to commit until everything was perfect. |
| [00:46:39] | JonBaugh: | but I understood they were only trying to pay for hardware and bandwidth |
| [00:46:55] | Lexridge: | and the fees laid out to Tribune Media Corp. |
| [00:47:17] | JonBaugh: | perfect?!? I love myth. but part of the fun is that it's never perfect! |
| [00:47:24] | kormoc: | JonBaugh, it's not the same group |
| [00:47:33] | JonBaugh: | yeah I know |
| [00:47:50] | Lexridge: | ah, but for each his own. I have my setup exactly the way I want it. Sure I still tweak on it, but I love a working system :) |
| [00:48:07] | JonBaugh: | datadirect cancelled, so Isaac and whomever went out on their own, right? |
| [00:49:23] | Lexridge: | or something like that. |
| [00:49:28] | JonBaugh: | Lex – true, but I've spent most of my day re-organizing mine to make it "better" |
| [00:49:38] | Lexridge: | chris peterson plays a large part in all that as well. |
| [00:50:03] | kormoc: | xris is the CFO |
| [00:50:11] | Lexridge: | there ya have it :) |
| [00:50:18] | kormoc: | Isaac is on the board |
| [00:50:24] | kormoc: | as are a few others |
| [00:50:45] | JonBaugh: | well much thanks to those who set it up... best $20 I spent this year |
| [00:50:53] | mzb_d800: | hmm: # Latest mplayer does not output frame count |
| [00:50:57] | Lexridge: | how many subscribers do they have now? |
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| [00:51:13] | kormoc: | Lexridge, that information sadly can't be and isn't public |
| [00:51:21] | Lexridge: | I hope some of the $$ goes to to myth development |
| [00:51:56] | Lexridge: | I'd pay $5 more to ensure it did go to the developers. |
| [00:52:09] | Lexridge: | or even more, honestly |
| [00:52:15] | kormoc: | It's a non=profit and the extra money is currently going into reserves and expanding backend architecture |
| [00:52:28] | JonBaugh: | speaking of... how does one find what it is that needs to be worked on? |
| [00:52:31] | Lexridge: | that is good too |
| [00:52:37] | JonBaugh: | (I know, noob question) |
| [00:52:45] | Lexridge: | look at the wiki |
| [00:52:57] | wagnerrp: | look at trac, look at the open tickets |
| [00:52:58] | kormoc: | there are plans for more community support and what not when things are stabilized down |
| [00:53:02] | JonBaugh: | but I'm a decent developer and new to open source, but would love to contribute |
| [00:53:35] | wagnerrp: | besides that, its a lot of talk on #mythtv and mythtv-dev about what needs to be worked on |
| [00:53:47] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, #mythtv-dev? |
| [00:53:51] | ** kormoc raises an eyebrow ** | |
| [00:53:55] | wagnerrp: | mailing list mythtv-dev |
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| [00:54:25] | JonBaugh: | yeah, I won't bother those that are very into it |
| [00:54:28] | kormoc: | JonBaugh, in short, find a itch, code up the stratch, post the patch on trac in a ticket |
| [00:54:48] | JonBaugh: | Just looking to find some more on the framework |
| [00:55:23] | kormoc: | JonBaugh, http://www.cuymedia.net/mythtv-trunk/ |
| [00:55:58] | JonBaugh: | I was looking at adapting some of majoridiot's code to update what I thought was a potential problem in using groups and his channel changing via firewire, but that seems to be a non – issue |
| [00:56:11] | JonBaugh: | cool |
| [00:56:58] | JonBaugh: | yes, just looking for some small projects that can help me get acquainted :) |
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| [00:57:59] | wagnerrp: | im currently looking through the code to take a stab at multirec on the hdhr |
| [00:58:19] | JonBaugh: | hdhr |
| [00:58:19] | wagnerrp: | it seems nearly all the code is already there, it just needs some glue |
| [00:58:22] | JonBaugh: | ? |
| [00:58:26] | wagnerrp: | hdhomerun |
| [00:58:44] | wagnerrp: | network-attached dual ATSC/QAM tuner |
| [00:59:02] | JonBaugh: | yeah |
| [00:59:30] | wagnerrp: | it supports multirec if you just leave out the PID filter |
| [00:59:45] | JonBaugh: | does that catch your basic HD channels off of cable? |
| [00:59:50] | wagnerrp: | since the filter gets reset on a channel change anyway |
| [01:00:02] | wagnerrp: | JonBaugh: it will catch anything the cableco does not encrypt |
| [01:00:07] | JonBaugh: | nice |
| [01:00:08] | wagnerrp: | just like any other QAM tuner |
| [01:00:25] | wagnerrp: | however in my area, that means it picks up only broadcast channels |
| [01:00:26] | JonBaugh: | so no HBOHD, but everything I can currently get over firewire |
| [01:00:37] | wagnerrp: | but it does mean i dont need an antenna |
| [01:01:04] | JonBaugh: | anything that's not 5C encrtpted? |
| [01:01:29] | wagnerrp: | 5C is a handshaking and encryption mechanism used by firewire |
| [01:01:38] | wagnerrp: | not sure off hand what QAM uses |
| [01:01:48] | JonBaugh: | that's where I've been confuse |
| [01:01:50] | JonBaugh: | d |
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| [01:13:54] | JonBaugh: | I'd love to drop two of the three cable boxes I have |
| [01:14:31] | JonBaugh: | connected over firewire, but I'd want to know that I could get the same 30+ HD channels my cable company provides with it |
| [01:15:15] | wagnerrp: | silicondust maintains a list of channels you should be able to get over QAM |
| [01:15:21] | mzb_d800: | ok, I can find all sorts of info from the nuv header using info gleaned from this script: http://web.aanet.com.au/~auric/?q=node/6 |
| [01:15:39] | mzb_d800: | however, I still can't get a frame count |
| [01:16:02] | mzb_d800: | does the seektable_offset give me anything useful? |
| [01:16:43] | JonBaugh: | do you know how often they update? last I checked, we had nothing.... |
| [01:16:51] | wagnerrp: | no clue |
| [01:16:56] | wagnerrp: | what area? |
| [01:17:32] | JonBaugh: | omaha, ne |
| [01:18:42] | JonBaugh: | last I checked it just showed basic HD (ABC/NBC.... etc) |
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| [01:27:52] | wagnerrp: | JonBaugh: thats typical |
| [01:28:07] | JonBaugh: | damn |
| [01:28:16] | wagnerrp: | cablecos are only required to freely retransmit the local broadcast channels |
| [01:28:26] | JonBaugh: | yeah, that's what I though |
| [01:28:28] | JonBaugh: | t |
| [01:28:29] | JonBaugh: | just didn' |
| [01:28:33] | wagnerrp: | anything else can be (and usually is) encrypted |
| [01:29:02] | JonBaugh: | the only thing I've found to be encrypted are the premium channels (via firewire) |
| [01:29:16] | wagnerrp: | firewire usually provides a lot more |
| [01:29:28] | wagnerrp: | since youre running over their STB, they have content control |
| [01:29:34] | JonBaugh: | yeah |
| [01:30:01] | JonBaugh: | kinda what I thought... just hoped for a different answer |
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| [01:36:54] | mzb_d800: | ok, so now I'm lost. Neither mplayer or ffmpeg give sensible results for the length of .nuv files. But the info is *somewhere" ... otherwise I'd not be able to go to edit mode and find the length of the file (mythvideo). |
| [01:38:19] | mzb_d800: | (or calculated *somehow*) |
| [01:39:33] | mzb_d800: | ... this implies to me that it's not using a seektable, right? |
| [01:40:22] | Captain_Murdoch: | mythtv reads the seektable in the .nuv file and uses that and the keyframe spacing to get the total length of the recording. |
| [01:40:36] | Captain_Murdoch: | the seektable is also stored in the DB during recording. |
| [01:44:22] | mzb_d800: | thanks Captain_Murdoch, I simply want to calculate the length of the video |
| [01:45:08] | mzb_d800: | I've found "GetTotalFrameCount" in libs/libmythtv/NuppelVideoPlayer.h, but I can't see how it's done |
| [01:46:00] | mzb_d800: | (or even where the source is) |
| [01:51:46] | mzb_d800: | nuppeldecoder.cpp looks interesting, but I'm starting to get in way over my head |
| [01:52:30] | Captain_Murdoch: | NuppelDecoder::OpenFile calls NuppelVideoPlayer::SetFileLength() after it reads in the seektable. |
| [01:55:58] | Lexridge: | anyone watching on ESPN2 the WVU vs SFU game? |
| [01:57:38] | Lexridge: | I really enjoyed seeing (2)Florida roll over (1)Alabama this afternoon. |
| [01:58:30] | Lexridge: | mythtv makes college football so much more enjoyable :) |
| [01:59:31] | mzb_d800: | hmm: totalLength = (int)((ste.keyframe_number * keyframedist * 1.0) / |
| [01:59:31] | mzb_d800: | video_frame_rate); |
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| [02:19:19] | mattwj2002|study: | man oh man |
| [02:19:26] | mattwj2002|study: | I am so happy |
| [02:19:27] | mattwj2002|study: | :D |
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| [02:20:41] | mattwj2002|study: | I got a cool frontend |
| [02:21:15] | mattwj2002|study: | I got mythfrontend working on my new netbook. it is a Acer Aspire One |
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| [02:23:58] | mattwj2002|study: | plus Comcast seems to be putting more shows on unencrypted QAM |
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| [02:46:53] | Lunar_Lamp: | I have tvcard with dual-tuners. Should I create a video-source for each of the tuners, or share a single video source for both of them? |
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| [02:47:43] | justinh: | Lunar_Lamp: will they share the same channels lineup etc? if so, yes |
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| [02:48:44] | Lunar_Lamp: | justinh: I assume you mean "yes" to the latter there? |
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| [02:49:43] | justinh: | if you'll be using both tuners for the same thing then yes |
| [02:50:13] | Lunar_Lamp: | OK, thanks :-) |
| [02:54:54] | Lunar_Lamp: | When mythtv is recording, does it write to /tmp at all, or anywhere outside the recording directory? |
| [02:55:47] | justinh: | shouldn't |
| [02:56:34] | Lunar_Lamp: | Hmm, ok. |
| [02:56:57] | Lunar_Lamp: | I was curious as I have separate disks for my recording partition, and they appear to be noisier than I expected when recordings are occuring. |
| [02:57:13] | Lunar_Lamp: | Perhaps I was just too optimistic as to how quiet they'd be. |
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| [03:00:55] | justinh: | there's a good reason my myth system is in 2 boxes ;-) |
| [03:01:08] | Lexridge: | mattwj2002|study: So the acer aspire one works as a great frontend eh? I've had my eye on one of those. How did you install Linux on it? |
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| [03:02:59] | mattwj2002: | it isn't too bad |
| [03:03:01] | mattwj2002: | :D |
| [03:03:03] | Lexridge: | mattwj2002|study: I figured copying a F8 image to a USB flash stick would do it, but dunno for sure |
| [03:03:21] | mattwj2002: | do you have Ubuntu on any of your computers? |
| [03:03:31] | Lexridge: | mattwj2002: did you use an external DVD drive for the install? |
| [03:03:37] | mattwj2002: | nope |
| [03:03:43] | mattwj2002: | I used a thumb drive |
| [03:04:10] | Lexridge: | mattwj2002: I'm redhat fedora here all the way. No (k)ubuntu. |
| [03:04:22] | mattwj2002: | Ubuntu has this handy little program that creates bootable USB thumb drives |
| [03:04:25] | mattwj2002: | ok |
| [03:04:37] | Lexridge: | damn, I want one now that I know it works okay :) |
| [03:04:43] | Lunar_Lamp: | justinh: yeah – my plan is to hide away the backend when I by the hardware for a nice quiet frontend in Jan/Feb. I just wasn't expecting this to be quite so noisy for now! |
| [03:04:50] | mattwj2002: | HD is a bit rough |
| [03:04:55] | mattwj2002: | to be honesst |
| [03:04:56] | Lexridge: | oh? |
| [03:05:00] | mattwj2002: | yeah |
| [03:05:08] | Lexridge: | what are your HD results like? |
| [03:05:38] | mattwj2002: | I think it struggles a little with 1080i |
| [03:05:57] | mattwj2002: | but I am hoping a memory upgrade will help |
| [03:06:04] | mattwj2002: | right now I only have 512 MB |
| [03:06:04] | mattwj2002: | :D |
| [03:06:11] | mattwj2002: | and no swap partition! |
| [03:06:14] | Lexridge: | how much memory does it have...oh, okay...the one I was looking at has 1gb |
| [03:06:40] | Lexridge: | do you have a Solid state HDD? |
| [03:06:45] | mattwj2002: | yup |
| [03:06:49] | mattwj2002: | 8 GB |
| [03:07:03] | mattwj2002: | I bought this for $250 |
| [03:07:04] | mattwj2002: | :D |
| [03:07:17] | Lexridge: | oh, I want the mechnical HDD version. 8GB of SSD is not enought for my tastes. |
| [03:07:51] | Lexridge: | what flavor of linux came installed on it? |
| [03:08:37] | Lexridge: | $250 is a great deal, btw. |
| [03:08:55] | Lexridge: | I'm looking at a similar model with 160GB HDD for $350 |
| [03:09:02] | mattwj2002: | nice |
| [03:09:55] | Lexridge: | what kind of Windows restore features do they offer, since there are no discs included. I would want to be able to revert to system defaults in case I ever wanted to sell it. |
| [03:09:55] | mattwj2002: | to answer your question it comes with Linpus Linux |
| [03:10:09] | mattwj2002: | I have no idea |
| [03:10:18] | mattwj2002: | for linux they include a CD |
| [03:10:19] | Lexridge: | yea, since you have a linux version. understood. |
| [03:10:30] | mattwj2002: | I haven't read the instructions for reinstalling |
| [03:10:44] | Lexridge: | the one I'm looking at is winxp, but that would be gone rather quickly. ;) |
| [03:11:13] | mattwj2002: | lol |
| [03:11:14] | mattwj2002: | hehe |
| [03:12:19] | mattwj2002: | I am right now updating my backend |
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| [03:12:39] | mattwj2002: | I'll try HD again and see if I can get HD running better |
| [03:12:55] | Lexridge: | I wish list is rather large at the moment...can't afford it all....hopefully the wife will come through on some of it over Christmas: Acer Aspire One, HDTV tuner for use on any LCD, and an HD-PVR. |
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| [03:13:09] | mattwj2002: | nice |
| [03:13:52] | Lexridge: | I'm not too hopefull :( |
| [03:14:37] | Lexridge: | I did buy myself a xmas present....an Acer 24" 1080p monitor for my garage. |
| [03:14:38] | mattwj2002: | why do you say that? |
| [03:14:43] | mattwj2002: | nice |
| [03:14:44] | mattwj2002: | :D |
| [03:14:55] | Lexridge: | got a great deal on it too......$280 |
| [03:15:09] | mattwj2002: | not bad |
| [03:15:17] | mattwj2002: | black friday special? |
| [03:15:35] | Lexridge: | I thought it was pretty good deal myself. I can sleep at night on that one :) |
| [03:15:47] | mattwj2002: | :P |
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| [03:16:08] | Lexridge: | all the reviews on it said it had all the features of a $640 monitor....I can live with that :) |
| [03:16:26] | mattwj2002: | nice |
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| [03:16:40] | mattwj2002: | I love this little netbook |
| [03:16:47] | Lexridge: | how does cold weather affect LCD monitors? My garage is outside temps when not occupied |
| [03:16:51] | mattwj2002: | I am typing on it right now |
| [03:16:55] | mattwj2002: | hmmm |
| [03:16:57] | mattwj2002: | :Ss |
| [03:17:00] | mattwj2002: | I am not sure |
| [03:17:17] | Lexridge: | well, my 19" computer monitor seems to survive okay. |
| [03:17:20] | mattwj2002: | I can't image it is good for it |
| [03:17:34] | Lexridge: | it's also acer LCD |
| [03:17:58] | mattwj2002: | I guess I won't worry about it then |
| [03:18:11] | Lexridge: | it take a few moments to warm up, once turned on, but seems to do okay after that. |
| [03:18:38] | mattwj2002: | got ya |
| [03:18:44] | Lexridge: | I am in presently snowy West Virginia. where are you? |
| [03:19:01] | mattwj2002: | Minneapolis |
| [03:19:15] | mattwj2002: | we just go some snow |
| [03:19:16] | mattwj2002: | :S |
| [03:19:24] | Lexridge: | I hate snow...UGH!!! |
| [03:19:46] | mattwj2002: | believe me I know the feeling all too well |
| [03:19:50] | Lexridge: | There is a car over the hill right in front of my house. It's very slick out. |
| [03:20:34] | Lexridge: | however, the driver was very drunk and wondered off after falling down about three times. The law never did show up for it. |
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| [03:20:42] | mattwj2002: | lol |
| [03:20:45] | mattwj2002: | that is crazy |
| [03:20:47] | mattwj2002: | :S |
| [03:20:48] | mattwj2002: | :P |
| [03:21:16] | Lexridge: | oh well, I'm about half drunk myself, but I am not driving. ;) |
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| [03:21:36] | mattwj2002: | well it is the weekend |
| [03:21:39] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [03:21:46] | mattwj2002: | now is the time to drink |
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| [03:21:56] | Lexridge: | yea, and it's been a damn tough week, and the wife is outta town :) |
| [03:22:13] | stiev3: | I just murdered my videometadata tables running a script with the wrong parameters, can I just truncate them and start over? |
| [03:23:44] | Lexridge: | I've got the fridge full....Corona, UFO Hefeweizen, and Bud Light...wish I had some DosEquis. |
| [03:23:52] | mattwj2002: | nice |
| [03:25:56] | Lexridge: | However, the WVU mountaineers are playing like sh*t tonight...dammit!!! At least we are still winning. |
| [03:26:27] | Lexridge: | I should have been at this game, but the snow/cold scared me off. lol |
| [03:27:30] | Lexridge: | all my buds that went have been calling me and then calling me a puss*. They are probably right, but I am warm ATM lol |
| [03:27:54] | mattwj2002: | lol |
| [03:27:55] | mattwj2002: | :P |
| [03:28:38] | Lexridge: | they are drunk and cold.....I'm drunk and warm....:P |
| [03:28:52] | mattwj2002: | you have a nice TV? |
| [03:28:53] | Lexridge: | and probably have a much better view of the game too |
| [03:29:07] | Lexridge: | oh yea, watching in hd |
| [03:30:03] | Lexridge: | this tv is only 720p, but I have an older rear projection 51" in my livingroom that looks just awesome in 1080i |
| [03:30:11] | mattwj2002: | nice |
| [03:30:12] | mattwj2002: | :D |
| [03:30:47] | Lexridge: | It only has around 2–300 hrs on it. I'm gonna sell it after xmas and get something a little smaller. |
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| [03:31:37] | Lexridge: | maybe 46" would work better there. |
| [03:32:12] | mattwj2002: | 51" is too big? |
| [03:33:12] | Lexridge: | yea, for the distance it is. my livingroom is very long and narrow, and the wife rearranged it so the tv is on the narrow side. Doesn't work real well with a TV that size. |
| [03:34:03] | Lexridge: | the viewing distance went from 20' to about 8'. Ouch!!! |
| [03:34:24] | mattwj2002: | crazy |
| [03:34:41] | Lexridge: | yea, well women are always right....just ask them ;) |
| [03:35:15] | mattwj2002: | hehe |
| [03:35:18] | mattwj2002: | I hear you |
| [03:35:19] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [03:35:36] | Lexridge: | I have also come to the conclusion that you have to have a penis to see HDTV...All my friends agree. |
| [03:36:04] | mattwj2002: | :P |
| [03:36:17] | Lexridge: | I will enter the livingroom, and my wife is watching the standard def channel of whatever, instead of the HD version...She cannot see the differnce. |
| [03:36:53] | Lexridge: | She will have it zoomed in so much it looks like crap, and heads are cut off....jezze!! |
| [03:36:56] | Lexridge: | most of my friends experience the same thing lol |
| [03:37:26] | mattwj2002: | lol |
| [03:37:39] | Lexridge: | this should be a survey question...how many women actually know about HDTV and use it lol |
| [03:38:22] | mattwj2002: | yup |
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| [03:38:37] | mattwj2002: | yeah I just have a basic SDTV |
| [03:38:49] | mattwj2002: | it has an HDTV tuner at least |
| [03:38:58] | mattwj2002: | I won't mind upgrading it |
| [03:38:58] | Lexridge: | so it downconverts? |
| [03:39:03] | mattwj2002: | yup |
| [03:39:24] | mattwj2002: | it was only $230 |
| [03:39:33] | mattwj2002: | or maybe it was $250 |
| [03:39:36] | Lexridge: | yea, you need to buy yourself a xmas present ;) |
| [03:39:42] | mattwj2002: | lol |
| [03:39:51] | mattwj2002: | I wish I could :D |
| [03:40:32] | Lexridge: | buy it now, cause the economy is gonna get way worse in the near future. Gas will be $5 per gallon again soon. |
| [03:40:41] | mattwj2002: | I hope not |
| [03:40:42] | mattwj2002: | :S |
| [03:41:00] | Lexridge: | me too, but I think it's true |
| [03:42:36] | mattwj2002: | yeah that would be rough |
| [03:42:36] | Lexridge: | my brother works for Dominion, and he agrees that gas will be $5 per g by feb. :( :( :( |
| [03:42:43] | mattwj2002: | :( |
| [03:43:11] | Lexridge: | yea, I wish I could afford to fill up about 10 55gal barrels of gas. Not happening. |
| [03:43:50] | Lexridge: | He also said it should be around $1 by christmas. |
| [03:43:59] | mattwj2002: | hmm |
| [03:44:08] | mattwj2002: | what would cause such a change? |
| [03:44:15] | Lexridge: | I have not seen gas prices that low since the 70s |
| [03:44:32] | Lexridge: | demand, when the economy of other countries starts to pick up |
| [03:45:18] | Lexridge: | that is what he tells me anyway....not my predictions. |
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| [03:45:38] | mattwj2002: | got ya |
| [03:45:55] | Lexridge: | so, go get that HDTV ASAP. ;) |
| [03:46:18] | mattwj2002: | :P |
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| [03:46:45] | Lexridge: | you have to remember from history, the depression began in 1929, but food lines did not form until 1933. It takes a while to sink in. |
| [03:47:15] | mattwj2002: | good point |
| [03:47:58] | Lexridge: | I'm no more ready for it than anyone else. I hope to be, but will probably get caught off guard, as usual. |
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| [03:48:44] | Lexridge: | this will be a time when free software will take over. that is one good thing ;) |
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| [03:50:44] | mattwj2002: | :) |
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| [03:52:20] | mattwj2002: | yeah I'll be fine unless I lose my job |
| [03:52:24] | mattwj2002: | then I am screwed |
| [03:52:39] | Lexridge: | same here. I think I'm pretty safe ATM. |
| [03:53:38] | mattwj2002: | auto workers....man I hope they can keep their jobs |
| [03:54:07] | Lexridge: | well, unless the US bails them out, I think they are sunk! |
| [03:54:19] | mattwj2002: | I agree |
| [03:54:48] | Lexridge: | honestly, the US bailing them out is not such a good idea however. It will fix things only short term |
| [03:55:32] | mattwj2002: | they say it could cause inflation |
| [03:55:42] | Lexridge: | the wallstreet bailout has ended up in disaster, and will only get worse. |
| [03:56:14] | Lexridge: | that is minor...we are in a true downright recession. |
| [03:56:41] | Lexridge: | and have been for over a year....they are just now starting to admit it. |
| [03:57:42] | mattwj2002: | this is true |
| [03:58:24] | Lexridge: | hopefully things will not get so bad that I cannot enjoy my mythtv installs. :P |
| [03:58:34] | mattwj2002: | lol |
| [03:58:48] | mattwj2002: | I hear that |
| [03:58:55] | mattwj2002: | oh hey by the way |
| [03:59:05] | mattwj2002: | do you have cable or satellite? |
| [03:59:09] | Lexridge: | both |
| [03:59:13] | mattwj2002: | do you have any HD tuners? |
| [03:59:18] | Lexridge: | yes |
| [03:59:23] | mattwj2002: | computer turners that is |
| [03:59:42] | mattwj2002: | who do you have for cable ? Comcast? |
| [03:59:43] | Lexridge: | one computer hd tuner, one terrestial HD tuner. |
| [03:59:52] | JonBaugh: | what's the best way to remove the commercials from a show that's already flagged |
| [03:59:55] | Lexridge: | no, it suddenlink |
| [04:00:03] | mattwj2002: | oh okay |
| [04:00:07] | Lexridge: | no, I have suddenlink |
| [04:00:12] | Lexridge: | and DISH |
| [04:00:28] | mattwj2002: | I noticed Comcast some good channels on HD |
| [04:00:30] | Lexridge: | no HD except for DISH hdmi and component |
| [04:00:51] | mattwj2002: | TBS. ESPN for example |
| [04:00:53] | mattwj2002: | oh okay |
| [04:01:02] | JonBaugh: | everything I've tried wants to transcode it as well |
| [04:01:02] | Lexridge: | I spend about 2 hrs on my roof today aligning my antenna, and still no off air HD |
| [04:01:26] | mattwj2002: | that sucks :( |
| [04:01:30] | Lexridge: | installed boosters, the whole works....it sucks |
| [04:01:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | JonBaugh: Lossless transcode. |
| [04:01:43] | mattwj2002: | are you way out in the country? |
| [04:01:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | JonBaugh: (Assuming MPEG2 recordings... .that is... ) |
| [04:01:58] | JonBaugh: | keeps seg faulting |
| [04:02:07] | Lexridge: | I live in Jane Lew, WV. That is pretty much BFE |
| [04:02:31] | JonBaugh: | (and yes mpeg2) |
| [04:02:34] | mattwj2002: | BPE? |
| [04:02:45] | Lexridge: | Bum Fucked Egypt |
| [04:02:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | JonBaugh: I just leave them there, as it's not 100% perfect... But then again, I'm runnin 3TB of disk space... ;-) |
| [04:02:58] | JonBaugh: | I've got 2.25 |
| [04:02:59] | Lexridge: | it's a technical term lol |
| [04:03:01] | JonBaugh: | :) |
| [04:03:08] | JonBaugh: | and I'm running out |
| [04:03:11] | mattwj2002: | oh okay |
| [04:03:29] | mattwj2002: | only 1.5 TB |
| [04:03:31] | mattwj2002: | :( |
| [04:04:03] | Lexridge: | mattwj2002: I actually work for the CBS/Fox affiliate in the our market. But, our HD transmissions are extremely low power at the moment. |
| [04:04:17] | Lexridge: | like 100 watts |
| [04:04:26] | mattwj2002: | yeah I heard that is the case until the switch over right? |
| [04:04:37] | mattwj2002: | by the way that is pretty cool |
| [04:04:38] | mattwj2002: | :D |
| [04:04:45] | Lexridge: | all the high-powered shit has been installed, but is not yet turned on. |
| [04:04:47] | JonBaugh: | I'm looking to remove those that I'm satisfied with the flaggin on |
| [04:04:53] | JonBaugh: | as a user job |
| [04:05:07] | mattwj2002: | why is that because they are still using power for analog? |
| [04:05:59] | Lexridge: | we are at 100kw for our channel 5 analog. The digital replacement will only 10k watts. and the fox station, channel 10, will be at 30k watts. |
| [04:06:49] | Lexridge: | I have a very tall hill to the north of my house, which is the direction most of the HD signals come from. :( |
| [04:06:49] | mattwj2002: | why don't they run it at the same wattage as analog? |
| [04:07:05] | mattwj2002: | bulldozer! |
| [04:07:07] | mattwj2002: | :D |
| [04:07:08] | Lexridge: | digital does not need as much for greater coverage. |
| [04:07:44] | mattwj2002: | so the range should be the same after the change over? |
| [04:07:58] | Lexridge: | the digital survey frm the FCC reports that we will gain 200,000 viewers off air from our current configuration. |
| [04:08:07] | mattwj2002: | :( |
| [04:08:19] | Lexridge: | I have my doubts |
| [04:09:08] | Lexridge: | the thing about digitial, is you experience the "cliff effect". You either get it, or you don't. |
| [04:09:17] | mattwj2002: | yeah that doesn't seem to make since |
| [04:09:36] | Lexridge: | well, the FCC has their agenda, we have ours. |
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| [04:11:43] | Lexridge: | I cannot pick up channel 33 which my friend can pick up 15 miles further away from me, with rabbit ears. WTF???!!!! |
| [04:12:42] | Lexridge: | note that is 15 miles further away from the originating signal than I am. |
| [04:13:06] | Lexridge: | and I have a high power rooftop antenna |
| [04:14:22] | mattwj2002: | crazy |
| [04:14:23] | mattwj2002: | :S |
| [04:14:25] | JonBaugh: | J-e-f-f-A: do you record a lot of HD? |
| [04:14:25] | Lexridge: | yea |
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| [04:18:05] | pneves: | Hello everyone, I'm trying to setup mythTV to use my Hauppauge WinTV HVR 1250. But I'm running into a bit of a bump in the road. I was wondering if anyone has had success getting this device to work? |
| [04:21:11] | Lexridge: | I believe the 1250 is suppose to work under mythtv, but I do not have one. |
| [04:22:02] | Lexridge: | what does your dmesg say? Is the card recognized? |
| [04:22:22] | pneves: | Yes I do see the card in there. |
| [04:22:40] | pneves: | I think I've probably done something wrong configuring myth. |
| [04:23:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | JonBaugh: At the moment not much... I've got a HDHomerun for ATSC OTA HD, but most of my stuff is currently SD from Dish Network receivers. |
| [04:23:09] | pneves: | What do I have to do to get it to read off the card. |
| [04:23:35] | JonBaugh: | J-e-f-f-A: well that 3TB should go pretty far then :) |
| [04:23:42] | pneves: | ?? |
| [04:24:08] | JonBaugh: | J-e-f-f-A: mine 2.25 is almost all HD, which unfortunately doesn't go too far |
| [04:24:31] | JonBaugh: | J |
| [04:24:51] | JonBaugh: | I figure I should be able to save almost 30% of my space if I can get rid of commercials |
| [04:25:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | JonBaugh: Yeah, I can see your point there. ;-) |
| [04:26:06] | JonBaugh: | J-e-f-f-A: almost 7 GB / hour ;( |
| [04:26:37] | pneves: | When I set it scan the channels it doesn't show anything. |
| [04:26:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | JonBaugh: Yep. ;-) I remember from '24' last year... and Terminator this year... ;-) |
| [04:27:03] | JonBaugh: | J-e-f-f-A: ditto... |
| [04:27:23] | wagnerrp: | ive got a 1250, no issues with it |
| [04:27:54] | wagnerrp: | just make sure the proper kernel modules are built and loaded |
| [04:28:09] | JonBaugh: | J-e-f-f-A: Add to that... we've made this a two household deal .... with differing tastes and an HDtv in both... |
| [04:30:24] | mattwj2002: | I think I am going to get a WinTV PVR-350 for Christmas |
| [04:30:25] | mattwj2002: | :D |
| [04:30:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | JonBaugh: So far I've only got LCD monitors on Myth frontends for HD... Well, only 1 actually... a 21.6" in the bedroom, a 19" 4:3 in my son's room, and a 37" 4:3 in the living room (for now) |
| [04:31:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | mattwj2002: I gave myself one of those about 4 years ago... ;-) (Not even using it for the last 2 though...) |
| [04:32:08] | JonBaugh: | J-e-f-f-A: our setup is pretty sweet... 27" crt to the (dedicated) secondary backend). 42" LCD at one house 52" LCD at the other and 24" lcd tv's in both of the bedrooms |
| [04:33:10] | JonBaugh: | J-e-f-f-A: wireless N bridge between the two houses (500 ft apart).... works bueatifuly |
| [04:34:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | JonBaugh: That's cool that Wireless N is working – especially for HD. ;-) I tried HD ATSC over Wireless G a few years ago and gave up and ran cat5e... ;-) |
| [04:34:33] | JonBaugh: | J-e-f-f-A: yes, struggled with that considerably |
| [04:35:07] | JonBaugh: | J-e-f-f-A: we've found that you can get 2 HD streams working flawlessly and a job |
| [04:35:50] | JonBaugh: | J-e-f-f-A: whereas we couldn't get one HD stream over our G Bridge |
| [04:36:52] | mattwj2002: | sounds good |
| [04:37:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | JonBaugh: Yeah, I've had an "N" router since CompUSA went under... And now run Gigabit over my Cat5e. ;-) |
| [04:37:48] | JonBaugh: | yep, each house has gigE, but no way to do that with wires, since it's across the street and three houses up :) |
| [04:38:52] | JonBaugh: | we just got these access points from newegg a couple weeks ago, but so far.... VERY impressed |
| [04:39:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | JonBaugh: Wow... just the 'stock' antennas on those access points? |
| [04:40:09] | JonBaugh: | J-e-f-f-A: no, we bought external 'indoor' antennas (but mounted them outside) |
| [04:40:30] | JonBaugh: | J-e-f-f-A: so far zero problems... and it's snowy and cold as shit outside |
| [04:40:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | JonBaugh: Ah. ;-) I didn't think you were getting that range with the el-cheapo antennas... ;-) |
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| [04:41:03] | JonBaugh: | $20 for each antenna |
| [04:41:08] | JonBaugh: | which I consider cheap |
| [04:41:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | JonBaugh: Yeah, it's coming my way tomorrow... just 1–2" this storm... |
| [04:41:58] | JonBaugh: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833998052 |
| [04:42:07] | JonBaugh: | that's what I stuck outside |
| [04:42:28] | JonBaugh: | and they've both been downpoured and snowed on... not a single packet lost so far |
| [04:43:24] | JonBaugh: | J-e-f-f-A: where are you at? |
| [04:43:35] | JonBaugh: | J-e-f-f-A: ... from? |
| [04:43:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | JonBaugh: Boston area. |
| [04:43:37] | qfx: | anyone have a good link to how to compile from source? |
| [04:44:24] | qfx: | nvm |
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| [04:45:08] | mattwj2002: | I am going to try OTA HDTV |
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| [04:45:40] | mattwj2002: | and see what I can pick up |
| [04:45:41] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [04:46:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | mattwj2002: I get (including sub-channels) 22 channels with an antenna pointed at Boston... (~25 miles) ;-) |
| [04:46:43] | mattwj2002: | nice |
| [04:46:53] | mattwj2002: | I like about 20 miles from the towers! |
| [04:46:53] | mattwj2002: | :D |
| [04:48:37] | JonBaugh: | allright, I'm really still strugglin' with this removing commercials thing |
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| [04:48:42] | mattwj2002: | I hate how Comcast doesn't label some of their unencrypted HDTV stations |
| [04:48:55] | JonBaugh: | seems to be a lot out there... but it just doesn't want to agree with me |
| [04:48:59] | arodd: | bravo |
| [04:49:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | mattwj2002: I have a '75 mile UHF antenna (Yagi)" on the roof pointed at Boston (through trees too...) with no amp goign through a 4-way splitter and still good signal. ;-) |
| [04:49:31] | mattwj2002: | lol |
| [04:49:32] | mattwj2002: | nice |
| [04:49:33] | mattwj2002: | :D |
| [04:49:53] | mattwj2002: | so you just have OTA? |
| [04:50:11] | mattwj2002: | if I had a house I would be putting up a FTA dish |
| [04:50:25] | wagnerrp: | mattwj2002: to get what with? |
| [04:50:40] | mattwj2002: | mostly Galaxy 18 |
| [04:50:51] | mattwj2002: | tv networks from around the country |
| [04:51:33] | mattwj2002: | oh second I'll show you what I mean |
| [04:51:35] | arodd: | So...I'm trying to cut commercials for playback on PS3. For some reason PS3 only plays TS streams which are of the native recording type. After transcoding and cutting the commercials I end up with PS. So using ffmpeg I am able to remux the cut recording back to TS and it plays fine on the PS3 again, except for I've lost the seeking. Trying to rebuild seek tables with either... |
| [04:51:38] | mattwj2002: | *one second |
| [04:51:44] | arodd: | mythtranscode/mythcommflag doesn't seem to the trick |
| [04:52:05] | arodd: | anyone? |
| [04:52:14] | wagnerrp: | the PS3 doesnt support PSs? |
| [04:52:22] | arodd: | i guess not |
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| [04:52:48] | wagnerrp: | im pretty sure thats what my PVR cards dump, which my PS3 handles just fine |
| [04:53:02] | arodd: | pvr cards usually dump TS |
| [04:53:09] | arodd: | some do PS |
| [04:53:09] | wagnerrp: | this is a lossless transcode i assume? |
| [04:53:14] | arodd: | yeah |
| [04:53:26] | mattwj2002: | http://www.ftalist.com/english.htm |
| [04:53:28] | arodd: | after the transcode it ends up PS format and the PS3 reports corrupted file |
| [04:53:52] | arodd: | so using ffmpeg you can remux to TS with the commercials remaining cut...but then you lose seek tables and can't regenerate them for some reason |
| [04:54:16] | wagnerrp: | well at least according to my recording profile, it says im dumping PSs |
| [04:54:25] | JonBaugh: | hmmm... haven't gotten that far yet |
| [04:54:27] | arodd: | that's weird then |
| [04:54:56] | wagnerrp: | PSs for everything, even the profiles i havent messed with |
| [04:55:37] | arodd: | i don't fully understand the seek table business? Does this get stored in mysql? If that's the case then the ps3 could never really access the seek information anyways. But if I just playback the original recording from myth I can fast forward/rewind with the full 120x speed in ps3. |
| [04:55:49] | wagnerrp: | yeah... http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps . . . letypes.html |
| [04:55:50] | arodd: | the remuxed copy doesn't |
| [04:56:10] | wagnerrp: | the seektable is ONLY for mythtv's internal player |
| [04:56:16] | wagnerrp: | im not entirely sure why it needs it |
| [04:56:20] | wagnerrp: | but it cannot seek without it |
| [04:56:58] | arodd: | that makes sense... |
| [04:57:29] | arodd: | yeah that shows PS support which is messed up that these won't play after lossless commercial cutting |
| [04:57:47] | arodd: | do you do commercial cutting with yours? |
| [04:57:54] | arodd: | or just play the original PS |
| [04:58:00] | wagnerrp: | i have done both |
| [04:58:16] | arodd: | all via upnp correct? |
| [04:58:19] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [04:58:52] | arodd: | video encoding is frustrating |
| [04:58:57] | arodd: | lol |
| [04:59:06] | wagnerrp: | video encoding for the PS3 is frustrating |
| [04:59:13] | wagnerrp: | doing it for a PC is damned easy |
| [04:59:17] | arodd: | yeah |
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| [04:59:32] | arodd: | trying to meet a profile/level via open source encoders |
| [04:59:36] | arodd: | consistently |
| [04:59:38] | arodd: | that is |
| [04:59:51] | wagnerrp: | took me a dozen tries to figure out an x264 profile to use with the ps3 |
| [05:00:07] | wagnerrp: | and that was under windows, i havent successfully managed to transfer that to mencoder or ffmpeg |
| [05:00:21] | arodd: | i've got one for mencoder that plays rather well via ps3 |
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| [05:02:46] | wagnerrp: | i dont see any channels in that list that i would care to receive |
| [05:03:00] | wagnerrp: | at least none that i dont already get over ATSC |
| [05:03:24] | wagnerrp: | except for 'Supreme Master TV', that sounds like a winner |
| [05:04:48] | wagnerrp: | oooh! Nigerian TV Authority |
| [05:05:15] | wagnerrp: | letting all prospective business partners know about budding opportunities to transport large sums of money out of the country |
| [05:05:44] | mattwj2002: | are you making fun of FTA satellite? |
| [05:05:57] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [05:06:25] | wagnerrp: | well not exactly, just saying the available channels arent for me |
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| [05:08:51] | Wicked: | hello all. in the upcoming recordings screen i see lots of stuff im not going to record due to recording rules. how can i make it so i only see the shows i will record? i see in the top left corner it says view:all....but i cannot figure out how to switch views. |
| [05:09:06] | Wicked: | if i hit the menu/info button it brings up into on the recording |
| [05:10:40] | wagnerrp: | hit '1' for all, '2' for important |
| [05:11:00] | Wicked: | ah awesome. thanks |
| [05:11:06] | wagnerrp: | it should be listed at the bottom of the screen |
| [05:11:28] | wagnerrp: | but that may be overscanned off screen |
| [05:13:01] | Wicked: | ah part of it was a little and now that message makes sense |
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| [05:13:35] | wagnerrp: | if you go into the screen setup wizard, you can correct that |
| [05:14:37] | Wicked: | ah yea. i had to mess with it a while ago because i was having some weird issues with dualscreens and using twinview |
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| [05:14:43] | Wicked: | been meaning to correct it |
| [05:16:33] | Wicked: | hmm...when im watching a recording the "right" button on my hauppauge remote jumps alot further ahead then the "left" button skips back. |
| [05:16:46] | Wicked: | and im looking in the lirc conf and there both the exact same |
| [05:16:51] | hads: | Yeah, the default settings are like that |
| [05:16:59] | JonBaugh: | forward should go 30 seconds |
| [05:17:01] | hads: | You can change it in the frontend setup somewhere |
| [05:17:05] | JonBaugh: | back 3 seconds |
| [05:17:17] | hads: | 5 is default from memory |
| [05:17:37] | Wicked: | ah |
| [05:18:14] | Wicked: | and is there any way to make the remote more responsive? it takes forever to scroll through long menus and stuff |
| [05:18:27] | wagnerrp: | what remote? |
| [05:18:36] | Wicked: | silver hauppauge |
| [05:19:01] | wagnerrp: | there is some noticeable lag with that receiver |
| [05:19:03] | Wicked: | got the red green yellow and blue buttons on the bootom |
| [05:19:15] | wagnerrp: | but for faster, you can cut down the repeat timer |
| [05:19:22] | Wicked: | yea when i use the keyboard to scroll and stuff...its MUCH faster |
| [05:19:26] | wagnerrp: | or program buttons for pageup and pagedown |
| [05:19:40] | Wicked: | iirc 3 and 9 jump pages |
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| [05:20:42] | Wicked: | anyone here using the hd-pvr? |
| [05:20:45] | wagnerrp: | it would seem they do! |
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| [06:52:02] | pneves: | Has anyone here got the Hauppauge WinTV HVR 1250 working in mythtv? I haven't been able to get it to work with a NTSC cable signal? Does it work with NTSC? |
| [06:52:53] | pneves: | It picks up the device starts scanning channels but it gives no signal for all the channels. |
| [06:53:12] | pneves: | It seems to Default to ATSC and I can't change it. |
| [06:54:02] | pneves: | in my dev directory I'm getting a /dev/dvb folder. I think thats the device. But there is no /dev/video device. |
| [06:54:32] | pneves: | dmesg does pickup the device. |
| [06:58:16] | pneves: | I'm using ubuntu. |
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| [08:35:12] | clever: | something is wrong with my myth setup |
| [08:35:17] | clever: | no upcomming recordings |
| [08:37:18] | clever: | restarting the master seems to have fixed it |
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| [08:47:54] | GlemSom: | I've read that mythtv can record from two channels – if they use the same multiplex... How do I know if two channels are using the same multiplex? |
| [08:48:15] | justinh: | if they have the same mplexid :) |
| [08:52:08] | GlemSom: | That's odd... DiscoveryHD and NGC HD both uses mplexid 19. But MythTV does not want to use the same tuner when recording from both of then :/ (assuming the mplesid is found in the "channel" table) |
| [08:54:46] | justinh: | anyway myth can record way more than just two channels from the same multiplex :) |
| [08:55:14] | justinh: | the default setting is only two |
| [08:55:44] | justinh: | but if you upgraded to 0.21 & didn't change anything, you may still only have 1 'encoder' per tuner |
| [08:56:16] | ** justinh has 5 'encoders' per tuner listed ** | |
| [08:58:35] | Dibblah: | Depends. Some CAMs can't do even two streams... |
| [08:59:23] | GlemSom: | justinh, In mythtv-setup I defined 3 recording per tuner... So I guess that means it can record 3 shows at the time (If they're on the same multiplex)...? |
| [09:01:09] | justinh: | that should be fine |
| [09:01:36] | justinh: | damn, I just can't work out how to draw those little arrows with rounded corners |
| [09:02:57] | GlemSom: | I just setup two recordings – this is what I see in mythbackend.log: http://pastebin.com/m57fcf6b7 |
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| [09:08:50] | GlemSom: | What could I be missing here... Do I need specify somewhere that I prefer using the same tuner? (Even though I have a second tuner that is available)? |
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| [09:17:37] | clever: | try setting up 6 things to record at once, on the same multiplex |
| [09:17:37] | clever: | force it to use a tuner multiple times |
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| [09:25:33] | GlemSom: | clever, I just tried... It wont... It's like after I installed the second tuner – it will only record 1 channel per tuner... I know the tuner can record more – because I've used Picture In Picture when I only had one tuner... :/ |
| [09:25:54] | clever: | im out of ideas then |
| [09:28:59] | GlemSom: | Is it supposed to show that I'm having 6 tuners? (I have two tuners – and enabled it to record 3 channels at once per tuner) |
| [09:29:21] | clever: | ive never actualy used dvb so i dont know |
| [09:34:24] | Dibblah: | The fake tuners are not exposed much in the UI. |
| [09:34:36] | Dibblah: | ... As far as I know. |
| [09:37:37] | Dibblah: | justinh: Stroke to path? |
| [09:37:43] | Dibblah: | Assuming inkscape... |
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| [09:37:56] | Dibblah: | http://tavmjong.free.fr/INKSCAPE/MANUAL/html/Paths-Creating.html |
| [09:38:03] | Dibblah: | Bottom of that page. |
| [09:41:33] | justinh: | Dibblah: yes I know, but can't seem to get mine to look like gbee's creations ;-) |
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| [09:42:45] | Dibblah: | The inspiration of those fresh at a task... |
| [09:43:33] | justinh: | aha! done it :) |
| [09:44:10] | justinh: | started with a square with rounded corners, then rotated it 45 degrees & messed about with it |
| [09:48:45] | Dibblah: | Ooooh... Technical. |
| [09:49:23] | Dibblah: | The spark of inspiration has hit you once again, then? :) |
| [09:49:53] | justinh: | I'll say |
| [09:50:13] | justinh: | http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/ . . . oncept10.png |
| [09:50:34] | justinh: | just a concept at the minute – going to be experimenting a _lot_ |
| [09:51:36] | GlemSom: | aha – I think I've found out where the problem is... Mythtv uses the virtual tuners (can be seen in mythweb – not in the UI) – and by looking at the database MythTV did not correctly associate the virtual tuners with the real tuners. (It needs to associate the first 3 to card1 and the other 3 to card2) |
| [09:51:58] | GlemSom: | So, by fixin that O |
| [09:52:01] | GlemSom: | it works :D |
| [09:52:05] | justinh: | yay :) |
| [09:52:16] | ** justinh goes back to his crayon doodlings ** | |
| [09:52:21] | Dibblah: | Hmm. Version? |
| [09:55:12] | GlemSom: | wow – are you releasing that theme justinh? It looks awesome! |
| [09:56:29] | Dibblah: | GlemSom: When you created the virtual tuners, which Myth version were you using? |
| [09:56:51] | justinh: | GlemSom: what isn't finished can never be released ;-) |
| [09:56:58] | laga: | holy crap, that's spifftastic |
| [09:57:09] | justinh: | laga: hardly even started it yet :D |
| [09:57:34] | justinh: | when you want something to be a core theme contender, one has to pull out all the stops |
| [09:57:47] | GlemSom: | Dibblah, 0.21.. But I must point out, that I first had 1 tuner – with max recording set to two. Then I added another tuner... And after that I changed max recordings from 2 to 3... Guess I've done about everything to confuse mythtv-setup! :P |
| [09:58:13] | Dibblah: | Yeah, the point is that it should just work. |
| [09:58:34] | justinh: | GlemSom: I think I had that trouble too.. or something like it |
| [09:58:45] | justinh: | it's no big deal to delete tuners & re-add em though |
| [09:59:17] | justinh: | anyway, my official line is.. "nobody else is going to do it, so here I am again" |
| [09:59:45] | justinh: | or "if somebody else did it, it'd likely be a rip of something already available for XBMC" |
| [10:00:11] | justinh: | my therapist is on standby |
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| [10:26:40] | Guest82762: | hi all people, good morning |
| [10:27:20] | Guest82762: | i have two questions but i cant find response in google |
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| [10:31:10] | Guest82762: | why mythtv start recording any time i see any channel? if i try changing channels they start recording all channels, and the consum of memory use all (apologize about my english) |
| [10:32:54] | AndyCap: | Guest82762: that is how it works. |
| [10:33:31] | AndyCap: | Guest82762: It should stop recording that program if you change channels though. |
| [10:33:37] | Guest82762: | ok, but last time i try to see one film in HD, and dont works fine, then i restart and now work fine |
| [10:34:08] | Guest82762: | but ok, i understand, thank you andycap |
| [10:34:23] | Guest82762: | hmm, i use mplayer for watch hd |
| [10:35:10] | Guest82762: | this is my command for watch films in HD: mplayer -alang spa -fs -zoom -quiet -vo xv %s -ao alsa:device=spdif -afm hwac3 |
| [10:35:59] | Guest82762: | i put the sound to my ampli (denon 1508), the sound work excellent, the mplayer play hd very good, but, i still watching 2 bands blacks |
| [10:36:26] | Guest82762: | my resolution is set to 1280x720, and i watch 720p filmds, how i can do zoom or anything for see at full screen? |
| [10:36:48] | AndyCap: | Guest82762: doesn't mean that the film is actually in 1280x720 |
| [10:37:40] | Guest82762: | the name of the archive say 720p |
| [10:37:56] | Guest82762: | but, that dont is very important |
| [10:38:14] | Guest82762: | then the usage of memory is normal, ok, thanks |
| [10:38:40] | AndyCap: | if by memory you mean harddisk, yes. |
| [10:38:44] | Guest82762: | and its normal they start recording all channels i try to see... but when i change the channel 5 times, the sistems freeze |
| [10:39:28] | AndyCap: | doesn't sound right that it freezes. |
| [10:39:32] | Guest82762: | not freeze at all, i see the channel working, but the keyboard dont responds, i cant change more channels or leave mythtv, i have to do alt+tab open terminal and killall mythfrontend.real |
| [10:40:15] | Guest82762: | i re-opened mythtv, go to media-> recordings -> and i see 6 o 7 recordings at same time! lol? |
| [10:40:36] | Guest82762: | i wait a little time, and all of this information dissapear |
| [10:40:39] | AndyCap: | Guest82762: no, it should not record them at the same time. |
| [10:40:52] | Guest82762: | i think i have any bad in my config :P |
| [10:42:09] | AndyCap: | Guest82762: but it will record what you are watching. so if you switch channels a lot you get a lot of small recordings |
| [10:42:17] | AndyCap: | they'll expire after a while though |
| [10:42:34] | Guest82762: | hmm |
| [10:42:49] | Guest82762: | this is ok? i dont like this, why start recording all wath i see? |
| [10:42:59] | Guest82762: | dont is better onle watch what i want? |
| [10:43:08] | Guest82762: | and only record when i say? |
| [10:43:15] | Guest82762: | hmmm |
| [10:43:32] | AndyCap: | Guest82762: well, that is not how MythTV works. it records everything |
| [10:43:33] | Guest82762: | in waht section i have to modifiy that? under general -> tv? or |
| [10:43:44] | justinh: | you cannot change what mythtv does |
| [10:43:49] | justinh: | it will always record everything |
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| [10:43:54] | justinh: | that's the way it's meant to work |
| [10:44:06] | justinh: | that is how you are able to pause live TV, rewind live tv etc |
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| [10:44:40] | justinh: | and that's also how you are able to decide to keep a whole show you've been watching even if you only press 'record' when it's almost finished |
| [10:45:17] | Guest82762: | hmm |
| [10:45:25] | justinh: | maybe mythtv isn't for you then |
| [10:45:44] | Guest82762: | but first time i configured, all work very fine, but now, if i change the cannels 5 times, its freeze and dont respond |
| [10:46:09] | Guest82762: | i stay testing mythtv and xbmc |
| [10:46:29] | Guest82762: | xbmc seems more pretty, but i like more mythtv, seems more efficient |
| [10:47:02] | Guest82762: | i have configured xbmc for run mythtv too, but i think mythtv is more easy for my wife and my childs really? |
| [10:47:35] | justinh: | xbmc won't be that much more pretty for very long :D |
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| [10:48:24] | Guest82762: | why justinh ? |
| [10:48:41] | justinh: | because, that's why! |
| [10:48:56] | Guest82762: | ough! i need to study more english :P |
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| [10:49:38] | justinh: | because people have heard enough people MOANING that XBMC is prettier than mythtv for long enough, and some people want to do something about it! |
| [10:50:19] | justinh: | and some people like a good challenge :P |
| [10:51:04] | Guest82762: | i see xbmc more pretty, but i see mythtv more easy, or completed, you no? |
| [10:51:24] | justinh: | XBMC cannot do TV, so is useless to me |
| [10:51:25] | gbee: | Guest82762: MythTV is getting an improved UI and themes |
| [10:52:11] | Guest82762: | yes |
| [10:52:43] | gbee: | Guest82762: that's true, XBMC is pretty but has less abilities, MythTV isn't as pretty (yet) but it has a lot more features and is designed around recording TV |
| [10:56:05] | sulx: | I prefer features over candy |
| [10:56:18] | justinh: | why prefer one thing over another when you can have both? :D |
| [10:56:38] | justinh: | *only available in 16:9 |
| [10:56:56] | kormoc: | You know, the world might be a lot nicer if less people knew about the existence of -trunk... |
| [10:57:08] | sulx: | if both are available then its fine =) |
| [10:58:00] | Guest82762: | but the first time i configured mythtv, i can change channels w/o problems, now, i f i change 5 times, they freeze, why? i think i have modified any option bad |
| [11:00:34] | justinh: | try deselecting the "allow 5 channel changes then crash" option! |
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| [11:59:28] | sunset06: | hi all. In mythtv I'm getting image corruption about every second or so. |
| [11:59:28] | sunset06: | When mythfe is run from a terminal, I see lots of errors once I start to watch a channel |
| [11:59:28] | sunset06: | http://fedora.pastebin.com/d2b670a4f |
| [11:59:28] | sunset06: | The logs show errors that seem to be aggregated around 0.99 secs apart; is myth |
| [11:59:28] | sunset06: | written to flush out it's error log every second ? |
| [11:59:29] | sunset06: | Do the errors above point to software, driver, hardware, bios, antenna problems ? |
| [12:00:36] | Dibblah: | sunset06: Probably antenna. |
| [12:00:44] | Dibblah: | You have actual mpeg corruption. |
| [12:00:54] | Dibblah: | Try tuning with s/c/tzap. |
| [12:01:05] | Dibblah: | And see what the BER is. |
| [12:01:19] | sunset06: | how do you read that hex value ? |
| [12:01:37] | Dibblah: | If it's anything more than 0, it's too much :) |
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| [12:02:00] | Dibblah: | Sorry – You're interested in UNC, not BER. |
| [12:02:51] | sunset06: | video pid 0x0200, audio pid 0x028a |
| [12:02:52] | sunset06: | status 00 | signal 4f9f | snr 0000 | ber 00000000 | unc 00000000 | |
| [12:02:52] | sunset06: | status 1f | signal f01f | snr c7c7 | ber 00000000 | unc 00000000 | FE_HAS_LOCK |
| [12:02:52] | sunset06: | status 1f | signal ffef | snr c8c8 | ber 00000000 | unc 00000000 | FE_HAS_LOCK |
| [12:02:52] | sunset06: | status 1f | signal f05f | snr c9c9 | ber 00000000 | unc 00000000 | FE_HAS_LOCK |
| [12:02:52] | sunset06: | status 1f | signal efff | snr c8c8 | ber 00000000 | unc 00000000 | FE_HAS_LOCK |
| [12:02:54] | sunset06: | status 1f | signal f0af | snr c4c4 | ber 00000000 | unc 00000000 | FE_HAS_LOCK |
| [12:02:56] | sunset06: | status 1f | signal f06f | snr c9c9 | ber 00000004 | unc 00000000 | FE_HAS_LOCK |
| [12:02:58] | sunset06: | status 1f | signal f17f | snr c6c6 | ber 00000004 | unc 00000000 | FE_HAS_LOCK |
| [12:03:00] | sunset06: | status 1f | signal f07f | snr c8c8 | ber 00000004 | unc 00000000 | FE_HAS_LOCK |
| [12:03:02] | sunset06: | status 1f | signal f10f | snr c9c9 | ber 00000004 | unc 00000000 | FE_HAS_LOCK |
| [12:03:04] | sunset06: | status 1f | signal f10f | snr c5c5 | ber 00000004 | unc 00000000 | FE_HAS_LOCK |
| [12:03:04] | Dibblah: | Don't do that. |
| [12:03:11] | Dibblah: | Pastebin if you need to. |
| [12:03:28] | Dibblah: | And you're never getting an UNC? |
| [12:03:49] | sunset06: | gotcha. snr is drifting a little. Not that iv've noticed. |
| [12:04:03] | Dibblah: | Check that is the channel you're having issues with. |
| [12:05:20] | sunset06: | Having trouble with all channels. HD is worse {CPU=2.6 AMX 2.6GHz }, uses 100% CPU so I don't really do that. |
| [12:06:25] | sunset06: | bt878 (avermedia avertv pci card). |
| [12:07:08] | Dibblah: | Do you have frequency scaling enabled in your kernel? |
| [12:07:35] | Dibblah: | Older motherboards / PSUs really have trouble regulating the PSU to the card with varying CPU loads. |
| [12:07:48] | Dibblah: | Try a dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/null |
| [12:08:01] | Dibblah: | in the background and see if that makes a difference. |
| [12:08:16] | Dibblah: | (To the *zap results) |
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| [12:13:08] | sunset06: | Not that I can see: http://fedora.pastebin.com/d3d93f839 |
| [12:13:08] | sunset06: | It would be normal to have a smal BER, and I guess UNC is uncorrected, which you would definitely get errors if it's > 0 ? Ie what is normal to see in each column status, signal, snr, ber, unc ? |
| [12:15:06] | Dibblah: | sunset06: Driver dependent. |
| [12:15:14] | sunset06: | freq scaling – seems that isn't supported on AMX Athlon XPs: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_make_use . . . ling#General |
| [12:15:32] | Dibblah: | When myth is running, run femon against the adapter that is tuned. |
| [12:15:38] | sunset06: | So my driver might just be putting fake=unrealistic values in there ? |
| [12:15:52] | Dibblah: | Doesn't appear to be. |
| [12:16:11] | Dibblah: | However, I mean that the SNR, BER, etc are not in any sensible units. |
| [12:16:24] | Dibblah: | Or "polarity" |
| [12:16:39] | Dibblah: | So more SNR could mean less or more signal – noise ratio. |
| [12:17:54] | artus35: | Hello everybody |
| [12:18:08] | artus35: | did anybody try mythtv on Fedora 10? |
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| [12:18:32] | artus35: | It works ok for me but I dont get lcdproc and LCDd to work correctly |
| [12:18:40] | artus35: | I always get: |
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| [12:18:57] | Dibblah: | Don't paste large volumes of text in-channel. |
| [12:19:06] | Dibblah: | Pastebin if you need to show something large. |
| [12:19:14] | artus35: | its a one liner |
| [12:19:24] | Dibblah: | Heh :) – Just making sure :) |
| [12:19:51] | artus35: | /etc/init.d/LCDd: line 48: log_daemon_msg: command not found |
| [12:23:22] | sunset06: | Dibblah: same sort results with femon (haven |
| [12:23:46] | sunset06: | t heard that one before). http://fedora.pastebin.com/d340b062e |
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| [12:43:59] | sunset06: | Dibblah: I noticed some stuff in /varlog/messages: http://fedora.pastebin.com/d23bf464c |
| [12:44:28] | Dibblah: | Yeah, that'd cause it. |
| [12:44:40] | Dibblah: | Try moving the tuner card to a different slot. |
| [12:46:47] | sunset06: | OK, I'll try a third slot, since I have already moved it once. |
| [12:46:47] | sunset06: | Interesting, I think it might have got more video/audio corruption since I installed a PCI SATA card, but I wasn;t using mythtv for a while at the same time... This has two disks hanging off it. |
| [12:50:03] | sunset06: | Dibblah: when I tried a HD stream, I saw some of the following: [mpeg2video @ 0x7a0d9e0]slice mismatch |
| [12:50:03] | sunset06: | 2008-12–05 18:33:46.482 NVP: prebuffering pause |
| [12:50:03] | sunset06: | Is that related to PCI slot/IRQs ? |
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| [15:01:07] | spoky99: | hi all |
| [15:01:17] | spoky99: | Someone know how make work XF86AudioMute by lirc? |
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| [15:38:15] | stuarta: | afternoon all |
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| [16:00:27] | clever: | stuarta: im using the exim smtp deamon |
| [16:00:38] | clever: | know how to fix it, or recomend a better one? |
| [16:01:18] | stuarta: | you have to allow local host to relay |
| [16:01:46] | clever: | i know that:P, but i dont know how in the config |
| [16:02:31] | stuarta: | it's in the acl's |
| [16:02:58] | clever: | i forget how i even broke it so i dont know what file to edit |
| [16:03:00] | stuarta: | summink like accept host = localhost |
| [16:03:08] | Dibblah: | clever: You're wasting a -dev's time on SMTP? stuarta: Get back to work! ;) ;) |
| [16:03:19] | laga: | that's the spirit |
| [16:03:27] | stuarta: | just start with the default config again and don't break it |
| [16:03:32] | stuarta: | Dibblah: too right. |
| [16:03:46] | stuarta: | i was going to fix this stupid thread issue with the frontend |
| [16:03:47] | clever: | if i do that, i'll probly break accepting email for my domain:P |
| [16:04:15] | Dibblah: | clever: Seriously. Even SendMail isn't brain surgery. |
| [16:04:33] | clever: | the 'sendmail' program doesnt work anymore:P |
| [16:04:36] | Dibblah: | Of course, you could try Q?ail... |
| [16:04:36] | stuarta: | even the basic debian magic email configurerererer can do that |
| [16:05:04] | clever: | got some kind of gui config |
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| [16:07:23] | Dibblah: | "channel"? "channel"? Yes, because the components of mpeg TSes are known as channels. |
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| [16:07:40] | Dibblah: | Argh. I need to think more before submitting comments to a ticket. |
| [16:10:17] | clever: | that fixed outgoing |
| [16:13:23] | clever: | and so is incomming |
| [16:13:26] | clever: | finaly! |
| [16:15:11] | clever: | now to deal with the 13k emails |
| [16:15:50] | clever: | the 1st 100 emails are all mythfilldatabase output from when i ran 0.18 :P |
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| [16:30:39] | stuarta: | transcode go faster!!!!! |
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| [16:42:47] | Dibblah: | Anyone have any power usage stats for the fanless VDPAU cards yet? |
| [16:43:58] | stuarta: | i was wondering today if there's an equivalent api on OSX that we could use |
| [16:44:01] | ** Dibblah wants reasonable playback, but still wants http://pendor.org/power/2years_power.png to keep going down :) ** | |
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| [16:47:40] | ruskie: | hmm Dibblah what are you using to create that? |
| [16:48:12] | Dibblah: | Two transformers, some resistors, a USB sound card and a wireless router. |
| [16:48:21] | clever: | stuarta: i had writen a script to shut powernowd and boinc off when mythtv are running jobs, so transcode would go faster |
| [16:48:36] | stuarta: | it's finished anyway |
| [16:48:52] | stuarta: | oh and powernowd hard locks my system :) |
| [16:49:08] | Dibblah: | stuarta: It'll be even faster when VDPAU is handling the decode cycle. |
| [16:49:12] | ruskie: | Dibblah, erm... all of that to generate that graph... O.o |
| [16:49:13] | clever: | i shut the script off because it was somehow causing the freq scalling to hardlock |
| [16:49:17] | clever: | but only that subsystem |
| [16:49:27] | clever: | which means that it got permanantly locked in 1 freq |
| [16:49:36] | clever: | and anything that tried to change the freq would hardlock |
| [16:49:47] | Dibblah: | ruskie: And some custom C code. |
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| [16:50:07] | Dibblah: | ... Which it appears I have lost, unfortunately, since the scaling constants are out. |
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| [16:50:51] | ruskie: | I should probably source the ups to get some such info... |
| [16:54:39] | clever: | Dibblah: couldnt you use a A->D chip on a 1wire bus? |
| [16:54:39] | clever: | or is it a pulse signal your counting? |
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| [17:05:17] | Dibblah: | clever: Not really, no. The period would be waaay too long. |
| [17:05:38] | clever: | is the signal your reading an analog one or a pulse? |
| [17:05:53] | Dibblah: | I'm taking the current consumption and the voltage levels in realtime and multiplying them. So the signals are analog. |
| [17:06:04] | clever: | ahh |
| [17:06:07] | Dibblah: | Sampled at 48k, ISTR. |
| [17:06:24] | clever: | current being done with a coil arround 1 line? |
| [17:08:10] | Dibblah: | A proper current transformer, but similar. |
| [17:08:57] | clever: | a transformer in series with the HOT, and outputing a voltage related to the current? |
| [17:10:05] | Dibblah: | No, a current transformer. It's a coil with a hole in it for the hot line, like you said originally. |
| [17:10:13] | clever: | ahhh |
| [17:10:19] | clever: | exactly like what ive seen on tv before |
| [17:10:29] | clever: | the one i saw had a BNC connector on it |
| [17:12:36] | clever: | ive got a very old clamp on amp meter |
| [17:12:54] | clever: | the iron 'core' of the transformer is 2 hinges peices on a clamp |
| [17:13:12] | clever: | but the ladder arrangement to seperate the 2 lines is horidly unsafe looking |
| [17:13:40] | clever: | and it came with a cheater to connect the hot and neutral |
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| [18:56:23] | Choice: | I have a question about the Hauppauge PVR-150 Shouldn't sound come thru the coax input? or is there some other cable I need to hook up? |
| [18:56:54] | AndyCap: | Choice: it should put sound in your mpeg file, yes |
| [18:57:09] | AndyCap: | Choice: assuming you've chosen the right tv standard / region etc |
| [18:57:45] | Choice: | yea no sound I don't know why but the coax is just tv channel 3 |
| [18:58:42] | AndyCap: | you still need to set pal, secam, ntsc etc correctly |
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| [18:59:07] | Choice: | hmmmm let me check |
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| [20:17:15] | _aegis: | does anyone have a recent build list for a mythbuntu setup utilizing a front end (either in a black case or a htpc style antec or nmedia case) that is either all in one or has a separate backend? |
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| [20:32:10] | bsdfox: | hey, anyone want to pastebin: zcat /proc/config.gz from their mythbackend? I'm wondering if my performance issues are related to my kernel config |
| [20:33:25] | kdubya: | i dont have that file |
| [20:33:41] | kdubya: | just thought you might like to know |
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| [20:37:18] | bsdfox: | it's a kernel option to enable it |
| [20:37:28] | bsdfox: | cat /usr/src/linux/.config |
| [20:39:52] | kormoc: | bsdfox, I doubt it will help, but, http://pastebin.ca/1279048 |
| [20:44:37] | bsdfox: | thanks |
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| [21:08:40] | clever: | bsdfox: ubuntu has /boot/config-2.6.24-19–386 |
| [21:09:15] | clever: | but i have it running on a 400mhz P2 with a pvr150, and i dont have much of a problem, just the usual delays in everything |
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| [21:10:08] | bsdfox: | clever: I was running my 3 tuner system on a p2–450 for a while, it sucked :P |
| [21:10:49] | bsdfox: | I have problems with i/o wait time on my server hitting 75%+ and my video on the frontends freeze. sometimes it lasts 30 seconds and times out, sometimes it's only 2–3 seconds |
| [21:11:09] | bsdfox: | I am running my timer at 300Hz, and not using tickless system now, seems to be a little better |
| [21:11:19] | stuarta: | what fs are you using? |
| [21:11:23] | bsdfox: | also turned off low latency preempt |
| [21:11:25] | clever: | all my recording drives are on a frontend now |
| [21:11:40] | bsdfox: | I've tried ext3, ext4, xfs, reiserfs |
| [21:11:55] | bsdfox: | I'm using xfs now |
| [21:12:10] | stuarta: | you must have some serious io contention. wtf are you trying to record? |
| [21:12:17] | stuarta: | 16 streams? |
| [21:12:23] | clever: | so the master is hammering nfs |
| [21:12:23] | clever: | even for / :P |
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| [21:12:54] | bsdfox: | stuarta: like I just said, 3 tuner |
| [21:13:13] | laga: | bsdfox: you can try commenting out the fsync() call in the ThreadedFileWriter |
| [21:13:15] | bsdfox: | and 99% of the time (sometimes all day) I am 98% idle while recording |
| [21:13:18] | bsdfox: | and 1–2% i/o |
| [21:13:41] | bsdfox: | laga: any idea which file and where in the source tree that is? |
| [21:14:03] | laga: | bsdfox: grep? :) there are also some threads in the mailing list. they provide lots of insight |
| [21:14:21] | clever: | find|grep ThreadedFileWriter |
| [21:14:28] | clever: | in the root of the source tree |
| [21:14:48] | stuarta: | fgrep -R ThreadedFileWriter <my myth tree here> |
| [21:15:06] | laga: | grep -r ThreadedFileWriter * |
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| [21:15:43] | clever: | laga: -r and * are useless together, -r and . will work fine |
| [21:16:14] | clever: | ./libs/libmythtv/ThreadedFileWriter.cpp |
| [21:16:29] | clever: | fgrep i beleive would search IN every file, and be slower |
| [21:16:57] | stuarta: | which is what your find| grep will do unless you qualify the find |
| [21:17:44] | clever: | find just reads every directory |
| [21:17:53] | clever: | grep then filters the list of files |
| [21:18:00] | clever: | without reading every file |
| [21:18:11] | laga: | well, i meant to read every file, but yours might work as well |
| [21:18:31] | stuarta: | ah yes, you just wanted to find the filename... |
| [21:19:14] | clever: | yeah, then you can just open the thing and ctrl+f for fsync |
| [21:19:26] | clever: | ive read the whole thing before when i got bored |
| [21:20:21] | xris: | anyone know how to use the "use one schedules direct listing with two sources in mythtv" code that went in awhile back? I can't find any documentation about it. |
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| [21:21:30] | clever: | xris: how much work would it be to make mythfilldatabase use xmltv on schedules direct? |
| [21:22:01] | Chutt: | xris, you just have to setup the two sources, deactivate channels on one, and make sure the sd config contains everything |
| [21:26:14] | xris: | Chutt: ah. wasn't sure if it would just see them as the same source. thanks. |
| [21:26:17] | gregL: | xris: This maybe what you are looking for...http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-24.html#ss24.4 |
| [21:26:32] | xris: | clever: no clue. I know that some people do it because xmltv is a little more efficient in how it grabs data. |
| [21:26:56] | clever: | xris: yeah, i was surprised when i used a java/xmltv based guide viewer and it downloaded the stuff in seconds |
| [21:27:13] | xris: | it's been driving robert (xmltv maintainer) nuts that no mythtv dev has stepped up to change things to be more efficient, but he doesn't actually use mythtv, so he doesn't really care. |
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| [21:27:23] | clever: | i suspect i can just steal the xmltv config from that program and tell mythtv to use xmltv/thatconfig |
| [21:27:23] | xris: | just causes a lot of annoying bug reports at SD. |
| [21:27:58] | xris: | clever: xmltv tells SD "grab 14 days of data".. mythtv says "grab 1 day ... grab 1 day ... grab 1 day ..." |
| [21:28:09] | clever: | yeah i know why it does that |
| [21:28:40] | clever: | but you could still make it more paralel even if you stay with the 1 day method |
| [21:28:57] | clever: | using QProcess and some signal/slot magic you can have a wget running while you process the last chunk |
| [21:29:18] | clever: | but it seems alot simpler to just edit the config ui to create an xmltv config, and run with that |
| [21:30:55] | Anduin: | ;:q |
| [21:36:23] | laga: | Anduin: error: ;:q is not a command |
| [21:36:58] | clever: | parsing error! |
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| [21:37:59] | Anduin: | yeah sorry, focus change order wasn't what I expected, I still have 99999 left before I catch up with GreyFoxx though |
| [21:38:17] | clever: | over 9000! |
| [21:38:32] | qfx: | xris, what editor do you use for Mythweb? Do you recommend one in particular, and is there such a thing as debugging in php (short of just having log statements) |
| [21:38:43] | qfx: | Or for that matter, where would log statements even go... apache log? |
| [21:39:05] | clever: | qfx: i usualy make a logmsg() function which appends to /tmp/something |
| [21:39:08] | GreyFoxx: | Anduin: heh you'd be hard pressed to catch up to mine heh |
| [21:39:19] | clever: | but stderr on apache is directed towards error.log(configured in apache config) |
| [21:40:06] | qfx: | clever, cool, just a little util function for logging to file is simple enough, so no debug platforms you know of? |
| [21:40:18] | toorima: | anyone have a rough eta on a replacement for the imdb script? |
| [21:40:28] | clever: | qfx: cant think of any |
| [21:40:30] | kormoc: | qfx, there are interactive debuggers for php, xdebug.org is the open source favorite, but they tend to be fairly more work then they're worth. |
| [21:40:46] | clever: | qfx: but there are things like register tick function, which will run x between every function call |
| [21:41:05] | clever: | qfx: and mythweb somehow outputs a backtrace on error, so yuo could examine the backtrace at every line |
| [21:41:06] | kormoc: | qfx, if you want to give it a go, try out Zend's ide, that should have a free demo that will work with xdebug I believe |
| [21:41:16] | kormoc: | oh christ |
| [21:41:41] | kormoc: | backtracing on every line is worthless... ugh... |
| [21:41:58] | clever: | kormoc: you could program something in to just do function call tracing |
| [21:42:06] | kormoc: | why bother? |
| [21:42:11] | clever: | when frame 2 on the backtrace changes, show somehting |
| [21:42:25] | kormoc: | when some area isn't working right, just trigger a back trace then and echo debugging info |
| [21:42:28] | clever: | just an example of where you could start for making a debug framework |
| [21:42:32] | kormoc: | no need to overload yorself with owrthless info |
| [21:42:38] | kormoc: | clever, or just use xdebug? |
| [21:42:47] | clever: | theres an xdebug on php? |
| [21:42:53] | kormoc: | xdebug.org |
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| [21:43:04] | kormoc: | debugging and profiling |
| [21:43:08] | clever: | neat |
| [21:43:20] | clever: | but im allready moving half my stuff away from php and into c++ |
| [21:43:46] | kormoc: | Because c++ is such an awesome web language... |
| [21:44:05] | clever: | im only doing the crontab based scripts |
| [21:44:25] | kormoc: | so why use php in the first place? Bash scripting works great for cron tasks... |
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| [21:44:38] | cezium_: | how do i get the ir-reciver to work for houppauge nova-td 500? |
| [21:44:46] | jams: | kormoc- any experiance with iomega rev drives? |
| [21:44:51] | clever: | kormoc: its processing a bunch of text files and inserting into mysql |
| [21:44:57] | clever: | kormoc: that doesnt sound like a bash task |
| [21:45:10] | laga: | sounds like a perl task |
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| [21:45:19] | kormoc: | jams, negative, sorry |
| [21:45:19] | jams: | bash would be able to handle that |
| [21:45:22] | clever: | i know php better then perl |
| [21:45:34] | Dibblah: | This can't be right. But it seems to me that it's not possible to change the channel for a record rule, without resorting to editing the database? |
| [21:45:35] | kormoc: | sed/awk for the win! |
| [21:45:43] | Dibblah: | Frontend can't, mythweb can't. |
| [21:46:02] | clever: | kormoc: ive seen irc clients writen in bash, but that doesnt mean its easy and fast |
| [21:46:06] | kormoc: | Dibblah, yeah, previous recommendation is delete and re-create |
| [21:46:19] | qfx: | Thanks guys |
| [21:46:22] | kormoc: | clever, perl would be the better language then php for that stuff, and that is easy and fast |
| [21:47:07] | qfx: | sed/awk or striaght up perl for text parsing |
| [21:47:13] | jams: | kormoc- no problem, I'm interested in them but have not found a decent review or feedback for them. And they are a bit of money to shell out just to try it. |
| [21:47:15] | clever: | kormoc: i wrote a perl program to replicate one of my tools, and Dibblah said the style of code was horid:P |
| [21:47:15] | clever: | though i havent writen perl in a year and i never checked my book:P |
| [21:47:16] | kormoc: | qfx, if you're looking for state on a object/var, print_r($item); works well, throw_error() will cause a backtrace to be generated at the error being thrown |
| [21:47:32] | clever: | kormoc: http://clever.mine.nu/feed.txt |
| [21:47:33] | kormoc: | clever, I think that's less Perl's fault and more you |
| [21:48:06] | clever: | its easyer to just keep using php then to relearn perl |
| [21:48:12] | kormoc: | jams, yeah, I haven't ever actually heard of a single soul using them or even thinking bout using them. Iomega seems to be just background noise these days |
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| [21:49:11] | kormoc: | clever, it's not so much learning Perl in your case, but just good design principals.... |
| [21:49:31] | clever: | i had to bug #perl alot to get that script working:P |
| [21:50:02] | clever: | but i allmost never visit ##php |
| [21:50:24] | Dibblah: | Perl can be a hard one to get right. |
| [21:50:49] | Dibblah: | There's so many perl shortcuts that other languages seem verbose. |
| [21:50:56] | clever: | yeah |
| [21:51:02] | laga: | Dibblah: yeah. it's terrible. :) |
| [21:51:04] | clever: | like leaving () out on functions |
| [21:51:11] | jams: | kormoc- Thats what i'm worried about. Looking for a decent backup solution other then external usb disks. The rev drive itself isn't so interesing but the rev loader has caught my eye. Before spending cash on the loader it seems sensible to buy a single drive first(if I even go down this road).. |
| [21:51:13] | laga: | of course, the perl lovers are going to kill me now |
| [21:51:17] | clever: | and how i can abuse $@ in so many damn places:P |
| [21:51:21] | laga: | clever: SML does that, too ;) |
| [21:51:26] | Dibblah: | clever: No, not at all like that. |
| [21:51:41] | xris: | Chutt: seems there might be a bug with your instructions.. can't actually fetch channels when I add a second copy of my listings source. |
| [21:51:59] | kormoc: | verboseness is next to godliness |
| [21:52:35] | qfx: | kormoc, on a side not, any idea why the perl bindings might not be working for me for the streaming.pl? |
| [21:52:54] | kormoc: | toss up the errors somewhere? |
| [21:53:53] | qfx: | like pastepin perhaps? http://pastebin.ca/1278375 |
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| [21:54:37] | kormoc: | qfx, that seems to say that the UPnP failed to find any backends |
| [21:54:45] | kormoc: | qfx, does a frontend on the same machine find it all? |
| [21:54:54] | kormoc: | (via upnp that is) |
| [21:55:29] | qfx: | find the backend? |
| [21:55:38] | kormoc: | aye |
| [21:55:53] | qfx: | yes, but I assumed that's because I set it up... |
| [21:56:11] | kormoc: | well, did you try coping the file it asks for over? |
| [21:56:50] | qfx: | find / -name config.xml doesn't turn anything up |
| [21:57:08] | kormoc: | Is that the same box as a frontend? |
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| [21:57:53] | qfx: | in particular there is no /var/lib/wwwrun/mythtv/config.xml |
| [21:57:58] | kormoc: | right |
| [21:57:58] | qfx: | Yes, same box as a frontend |
| [21:58:11] | kormoc: | well, it's .mythtv |
| [21:58:22] | kormoc: | and the frontend should create that file, in the user's home dir |
| [21:58:36] | kormoc: | well, in ~/.mythtv/config.xml |
| [21:58:38] | qfx: | typo, sorry. There is a /var/lib/wwwrun/.mythtv directory, but it's empty (ls -a) |
| [21:59:06] | qfx: | ah, there's a config.xml in my home directory... maybe that'll do it! |
| [21:59:28] | qfx: | copying to /var/lib/wwwrun/.mythtv now |
| [22:00:41] | kormoc: | Verify it has (correct) data too if that doesn't work |
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| [22:02:31] | qfx: | That worked great! |
| [22:02:58] | qfx: | so now streaming works :) I can finally get rid of my old mythbox and make this new one a dual tuner! |
| [22:03:02] | kormoc: | yay :) |
| [22:04:19] | qfx: | Hah, you're telling me, the wife's been on my case for a few weeks now, too many computers hanging out in the living room! |
| [22:05:07] | clever: | i have 2 desktops and 2 laptops at my desk right now:P |
| [22:05:13] | clever: | but my master is now hidden in a closet |
| [22:05:33] | laga: | clever: you're a lost cuase |
| [22:05:46] | laga: | i've got my laptop in front of me, my myth box next to the tv and that's it |
| [22:05:57] | qfx: | we had to make the computer room into a baby room, but I have 2 laptops 1 desktop and 2 linux boxes here now |
| [22:06:05] | qfx: | all int he living room. |
| [22:06:19] | clever: | i can see the living room tv and kitchen from my desk |
| [22:06:35] | clever: | http://gallery.clever.mine.nu/index.py/2gig%2 . . . 2708_002.jpg |
| [22:06:57] | clever: | theres 1 more laptop on the desk right now |
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| [22:09:27] | qfx: | clever, I like the access for cables! |
| [22:10:02] | clever: | qfx: yeah the whole desk has enough slack on that main bundle that i can spin it 90 in either direction |
| [22:10:08] | clever: | or pull it out several feet |
| [22:10:20] | clever: | the problem is that the power buttons are now behind the microwave |
| [22:10:30] | clever: | so i have to reach under the microwave to turn anything back on |
| [22:10:50] | qfx: | lol |
| [22:11:13] | qfx: | I have one of those "armoir" cabinets, so I had to rig up a cable / component grid with one of those metal shelf thigns |
| [22:11:19] | clever: | and the P4 beast has very loud fans |
| [22:11:36] | clever: | for the closet system, i put it under a shelf facing into the wall |
| [22:11:48] | clever: | so all the cables are right next to the door |
| [22:12:07] | clever: | it puts out enough heat to keep the closet toasty warm |
| [22:13:18] | qfx: | Yah, I think that might be what happened to this system. Since the cabinet is (for all intents and purposes) closed it gets pretty damned hot when it's transcoding all night |
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| [22:25:06] | clever: | kormoc: ive enabled xdebug but now when i add a certain line of code, it crashes:P |
| [22:26:40] | clever: | ob_get_clean |
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| [22:37:36] | clever: | ahhhh nvm, i used gzip output buffering |
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| [22:56:39] | arodd: | Does anyone know if there is a way to start a livetv recording as if a frontend was connected but via cli? This way I can use this livetv mpg file elsewhere for remote streaming? |
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| [22:57:18] | arodd: | mencoder doesn't create recordings correctly for live streaming via the dvb interface |
| [22:57:36] | arodd: | but the myth mpg's are perfect |
| [22:57:55] | hads: | Yeah you can, you'll need to do it via the myth protocol though. Check out the bindings (Perl ones are more complete in that area). |
| [22:58:27] | arodd: | cool |
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| [23:06:20] | justinh: | blimmineck. diesel is down to 99.9 pence a litre from tomorrow at morrisons |
| [23:09:53] | grndslm: | grm |
| [23:10:18] | grndslm: | hmm... that wasn't supposed to come out |
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| [23:23:19] | johannes_: | hi, there seems to be a way to play blu ray movies that have been copied to hdd using mplayer, can this be used with mythtv? does mythty benefit from the unified video decoder? |
| [23:24:30] | Dibblah: | Anyone know in Google image search a way to get it to only return porn? |
| [23:24:38] | Dibblah: | Err... That sounded bad. |
| [23:24:55] | Dibblah: | I found an image in Trac that shouldn't be there and want to check for more. |
| [23:25:34] | Dibblah: | Hmm. Of course, it appears that Trac is not indexed :( |
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| [23:26:26] | Dibblah: | johannes_: There is no UVD. |
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| [23:27:00] | johannes_: | what do you mean with there is no UVD? |
| [23:27:24] | Dibblah: | I mean it's not unified. |
| [23:27:50] | Dibblah: | We use ffmpeg to decode, or in some cases XVMC. VDPAU is in development. |
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| [23:29:34] | johannes_: | ah ok, Ill look vdpau and xvmc up |
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| [23:36:06] | johannes_: | i think i got it: the hardware integrated into amd gpus is called uvd, and this is able to provide xvmc. Is vdpau better than xvmc? nvidia gpus seem to support both but amd gpus only xvmc? |
| [23:39:56] | directhex: | xvmc is old tech, which can only offload some components of MPEG2 decoding |
| [23:40:12] | directhex: | most GPUs are capable of better, but the driver and API support is needed |
| [23:41:19] | directhex: | nvidia's marketing refers to "purevideo HD", which VDPAU is an interface to. AMD have an API called "XVBA" for their UVD2 capabilities, but nobody's written anything to use it yet |
| [23:41:36] | directhex: | nvidia released code examples with their VDPAU-enabled driver, AMD didn't, so VPDAU has the edge |
| [23:43:48] | johannes_: | mhm so I better shouldnt use a 780g mainboard |
| [23:44:21] | ojg: | How is the support for Nova-TD 500's ir receiver ? (Diversity) |
| [23:44:57] | directhex: | ojg, i heard dustybin couldn't get it working, but that isn't neccessarily a representative sampling |
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| [23:46:24] | ojg: | thx directhex |
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| [23:58:23] | _aegis: | Does it even make sense to build a mythtv box with Verizon FiOS... Verizon seems to really screw you over and makes your MythTV setup crippled. |
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| [23:59:48] | denken: | has anyone else seen this issue where HD playback of live television is choppy, like frames are being dropped, whereas playing back that same HD recording after the face (a second time) plays nice an smooth? |
| [23:59:59] | denken: | there shouldnt be any difference between the two, afaik |
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