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| [00:00:04] | iamlindoro__: | yeah, I'm 99% certain there was a mythbuntu bug opened on it (don't quote me on that! ;) ) |
| [00:00:28] | sphery: | skd5aner: Well, trunk r16586 will convert to 0.21-fixes current without /any/ issues and since there's really nothing of importance in trunk r16586 that's not in 0.21-fixes, I still don't see why you're running old trunk. |
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| [00:01:28] | skd5aner: | btw, while I've got your (Robert) and sphery's (Michael's) attention – just wanted to tell both of you thanks, like I said, I don't necessarily speak up a lot on the lists, but I keep up with all the tickets, revisions, and a good portion of the listserv traffic and you guys do a great job of contributing to the project for folks like me to consume. Just wanted to say thanks |
| [00:01:51] | iamlindoro__: | skd5aner, He does all the work, I just make cranky noises ;) But thanks. |
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| [00:02:24] | sphery: | I make a lot of cranky noises, too. |
| [00:02:25] | skd5aner: | ;) |
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| [00:03:17] | sphery: | skd5aner: though I highly recommend--until you decide it's safe to switch to post-Qt4/post-mythui-conversion trunk, at least (and, yeah, I still haven't switched on my production box-- http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/356880#356880 |
| [00:03:20] | skd5aner: | um, you both make cranky noises... alright? :) |
| [00:03:42] | sphery: | really, current 0.21-fixes is better than March trunk |
| [00:03:46] | skd5aner: | sphery: so I can easily convert to fixes without issue? |
| [00:03:49] | sphery: | (I switched) |
| [00:03:54] | skd5aner: | oh, no doubt about that... I know |
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| [00:04:05] | sphery: | from where you're at now--assuming you didn't go beyond r16586, yes |
| [00:04:09] | skd5aner: | I was worried I might be on the wrong protocol or db version |
| [00:04:17] | sphery: | see my above statement, "skd5aner: Well, trunk r16586 will convert to 0.21-fixes current without /any/ issues ..." |
| [00:04:28] | skd5aner: | yea, was just asking for confirmations :) |
| [00:04:34] | sphery: | no problems. |
| [00:04:39] | dustybin: | i\ think\ i\ need\ a\ break\ from\ my\ computer\ |
| [00:04:45] | sphery: | I did a switch from trunk to -fixes around about that point, myself |
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| [00:05:18] | skd5aner: | p.s... I made some noise on the list for the first time in a while the other day, allbeit slightly OT, I was the guy who asked about wiring a new construction home |
| [00:05:23] | sphery: | (only, now, I don't think I'm going to switch my production boxes back to trunk, ever, because I've seen the benefit of only updating when necessary) |
| [00:05:25] | skd5aner: | I'll definitely consider the switch |
| [00:05:39] | iamlindoro__: | dustybin, 01011001 01101111 01110101 00100000 01100001 01110010 01100101 00100000 01100001 00100000 01101100 01101111 01110011 01100101 01110010 00101110 |
| [00:05:45] | dustybin: | mmmmmm |
| [00:05:49] | iamlindoro__: | use your secret decoder ring. |
| [00:05:55] | dustybin: | LOL |
| [00:06:06] | skd5aner: | well, I'm guessing you're referring to some of the database issues you've been patching |
| [00:07:04] | skd5aner: | wife is yelling that we need to go get some dinner, but real quick – how far along would you guys say they are with mythui and QT4 conversion? |
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| [00:07:14] | sphery: | skd5aner: didn't your e-mail used to have what you're using as a nick, now, in it? |
| [00:07:24] | skd5aner: | yup |
| [00:07:45] | sphery: | didn't realize the new construction one was you (since you used a different address) |
| [00:07:47] | skd5aner: | still does |
| [00:07:59] | skd5aner: | I don't think I did? |
| [00:08:03] | iamlindoro__: | skd5aner, Most of the really really painful stuff seems done... Although I wouldn't recommend it for everyone, I'm happily using today's trunk in production |
| [00:08:09] | skd5aner: | I switched about 3 years ago from hotmail to gmail, but same alias |
| [00:08:18] | iamlindoro__: | there were a few months where it was really rough, but that's 4–5 months ago now |
| [00:08:31] | skd5aner: | Well, with the VDPAU stuff, I'm going to wait a little longer, but man that stuff looks great |
| [00:08:38] | iamlindoro__: | Biggest rough patch right now is probably mythvideo, which is (like your house) a major construction zone |
| [00:08:47] | skd5aner: | .22 will be one of the biggest releases I've seen in a long time |
| [00:09:07] | iamlindoro__: | i agree, I think .21–22 is the largest change I've ever seen between myth releases |
| [00:09:28] | sphery: | skd5aner: nvm... I'm remembering what's probably a reply by a broken MUA... http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/359656#359656 . You're the same person I remembered you being (and same name I remembered). :) |
| [00:09:35] | skd5aner: | I'm really happy that ticket #12 (which has been rated "blocker" since .18) will finally be *done* |
| [00:09:42] | iamlindoro__: | HD-PVR + MythUI + VDPAU + etc. etc. |
| [00:09:54] | iamlindoro__: | There's so much I can't even remember all the *major* bulletpoints |
| [00:10:32] | skd5aner: | sphery: yea, know sure why that guy changed the subject line??? beats me |
| [00:10:40] | sphery: | iamlindoro__: and, possibly, MythTube... :) |
| [00:10:57] | skd5aner: | oh yea, I hope that gets included |
| [00:11:06] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, heh, someone with a few brain cells will need to beat the ugly out of it |
| [00:11:08] | sphery: | skd5aner: yeah, I just heard new construction and thought of the recent one |
| [00:11:44] | skd5aner: | yea, mine was the one with 70 + in the thread, got a lot more on-topic, positive feedback than I had really hoped for |
| [00:11:44] | sphery: | iamlindoro__: I think there's a very good chance MythTube will be in before 0.22 because of how "important" it will be to many. |
| [00:12:09] | sphery: | Especially if it gets good pluggable-scripting support for stuff like Apple trailers and (possibly) Hulu or ... |
| [00:12:09] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, I am going away for the weekend or I was going to try to learn enough perl to write a apple trailer parser |
| [00:12:17] | sphery: | nice :) |
| [00:12:20] | skd5aner: | sphery: I think it's nice to add more core plugins... and that one is really a big whole when you look at what goes on in related projects/products |
| [00:12:32] | iamlindoro__: | maybe next weekend |
| [00:12:48] | iamlindoro__: | Hulu is harder, though, I think, someone will need to find a way to separate their player from the video |
| [00:12:51] | skd5aner: | anway – dell has the HD-PVR on sale for $180 |
| [00:12:54] | sphery: | No need to learn perl, though. I wrote 2 scripts (taking 2000 lines--much of which is comments/--help output, though) and don't know perl. :) |
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| [00:13:18] | iamlindoro__: | Boxee apparently overcame the Hulu thing by just including Hulu's player |
| [00:13:19] | skd5aner: | I think I'll bite the bullett now that they have the SPDIF Input fixed and all the hardware bugs seem to have been resolved in the second revision |
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| [00:13:22] | sphery: | iamlindoro__: yeah, I have no idea how Hulu works, so that may be a pipe dream |
| [00:13:56] | skd5aner: | alright guys, I'm logging off |
| [00:14:02] | iamlindoro__: | see ya, good luck |
| [00:14:04] | sphery: | good luck |
| [00:14:06] | skd5aner: | wife is getting grumpy with an empty stomach |
| [00:14:17] | sphery: | (hope you're happy with the switch if you go that way) |
| [00:14:22] | skd5aner: | I appreciate the help, I'll try to report back... but I'm a SUPER NEWB when it comes to IRC |
| [00:14:40] | sphery: | I was once, then iamlindoro__ and others yelled at me until I learned my place. |
| [00:14:53] | skd5aner: | used it 14 years ago, and didn't reinstall mIRC until about a month ago :) |
| [00:14:58] | iamlindoro__: | HA, sphery predates me, I couldn't yell at him |
| [00:15:06] | RyeBrye: | Hmmm... http://www.engadgethd.com/2005/12/06/cbs-reve . . . in-high-def/ now if only there were a way to change that title of recordings to something like "Boring war movie" ;) |
| [00:15:12] | iamlindoro__: | (and he's too nice to yell back) |
| [00:15:21] | skd5aner: | :) |
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| [00:15:28] | sphery: | I don't know that I predate you on IRC... Perhaps on Myth, but for several years, I wasn't on IRC for Myth. |
| [00:15:40] | iamlindoro__: | RyeBrye, you mean "BOING! What movie?" |
| [00:15:55] | RyeBrye: | My wife might shoot me if I record that |
| [00:16:33] | sphery: | RyeBrye: you can edit the title/subtitle in Watch Recordings or just use a manual recording schedule and specify your own title/subtitle (and with manual, might be able to do description) |
| [00:16:57] | sphery: | the first is more dangerous because you have to wait 'til it records to edit it |
| [00:17:18] | RyeBrye: | The second sounds good – I can blame it recording the boobies on a last-minute schedule change or something ;) |
| [00:17:25] | ** iamlindoro__ lives alone, can freely label all porno ** | |
| [00:17:31] | RyeBrye: | "What? This isn't PATTON?" |
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| [00:18:24] | jams: | sweet the knight rider gps just arrived |
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| [00:19:26] | iamlindoro__: | "jams, I think it's time to use turbo mode..." |
| [00:19:31] | sphery: | RyeBrye: Oh, wait, I see how they made the mistake... Notice how she's wearing knee-high patent leather boots. See, it's not my fault. |
| [00:19:42] | sphery: | patent/patton, common mistake |
| [00:20:03] | jams: | iamlindoro_ my wife wanted a gps and she thought the knight rider one would be amusing |
| [00:20:12] | jams: | so she is getting one for christmas |
| [00:20:26] | sphery: | does it have a KITT voice? |
| [00:20:34] | jams: | sphery- YES |
| [00:20:48] | sphery: | cool. Wonder if it would call me "Michael"... |
| [00:21:16] | jams: | it has several names pre recorded for that reason |
| [00:21:22] | jams: | i'm sure one of them is Michael |
| [00:21:56] | jams: | will know for sure in 20+ days after it's hooked up |
| [00:22:09] | iamlindoro__: | Good thing that won't get old ;) |
| [00:22:30] | jams: | sphery- knightridergps.com |
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| [00:23:42] | sphery: | iamlindoro__: I was disappointed you didn't share your letter to dear Sara with us, today. I hope you got time to send her a note from the front lines, again, today. |
| [00:24:10] | sphery: | jams: cool |
| [00:24:44] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, Heh, dunno why it seems to stupid to me-- mostly because I would never consider calling anyone who's not *working* on a feature "on the front lines" |
| [00:25:13] | iamlindoro__: | It's like calling the hotdog seller "a member of the team" |
| [00:25:17] | sphery: | yeah, I was annoyed by it, too, but found your letter, yesterday very funny |
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| [00:26:01] | sphery: | iamlindoro__: I think you need to tell gbee about the deinterlacing/audio buffering issue over --> |
| [00:26:10] | sphery: | (that's the direction #mythtv is in my UI) |
| [00:26:18] | iamlindoro__: | "Yeah, I'm a member of the San Francisco Giants!" "Really?!? What position do you play?" "Hommrrffmrrff" "What?" "HotMrf. Semrf." |
| [00:26:28] | sphery: | lol |
| [00:27:02] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, thanks |
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| [00:31:52] | iamlindoro__: | I'm hoping I get enough gift cards to put a dent in a new 1080p display for the bedroom |
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| [00:57:27] | wagnerrp: | well this is odd |
| [00:57:41] | wagnerrp: | if i try to run mplayer on a local terminal, it crashes |
| [00:57:57] | wagnerrp: | if i bring my laptop to the tv, ssh in, and run mplayer, it runs just fine |
| [00:58:33] | coffeebinge: | Hello all. My frontend is having problems getting video from my backend. Its connecting to the DB, I can see recordings to select, but cant view any of them. |
| [00:58:53] | wagnerrp: | is this on a combined machine? or remote frontend? |
| [00:59:16] | coffeebinge: | wagnerrp: on a remote machine |
| [01:00:35] | wagnerrp: | myth should be able to push the video automatically, but i dont know if thats enabled by default |
| [01:00:51] | wagnerrp: | have you tried mounting the folder over nfs? |
| [01:01:40] | iamlindoro__: | coffeebinge, Generally in myth we refer to recordings and video as two different entities-- are you looking at stuff in "Watch Recordings" or "Watch videos?" |
| [01:01:45] | coffeebinge: | wagnerrp: no. Do i have to set up a user account for the remote machine in order for it to work? |
| [01:02:50] | coffeebinge: | iamlindoro: both. I select watch tv and nothing happens. I look at recording and i see options and i can select it, but when i go to ply the video nothing happens |
| [01:02:58] | wagnerrp: | 'recordings' can be pushed through nfs, 'videos' must be mounted over nfs |
| [01:03:28] | iamlindoro__: | coffeebinge, Is playback working on the *other* machine? |
| [01:03:38] | coffeebinge: | wagnerrp: just to say this. It was working kinda when i first set it up |
| [01:04:01] | iamlindoro__: | anyway, no need to get into too much guessing, all the answers you need are in the frontend and backend logs |
| [01:04:06] | coffeebinge: | imlindoro: yes. on the master backend i can interact and see videos and live tv just find |
| [01:04:28] | wagnerrp: | yeah, post the frontend log off the remote machine |
| [01:04:31] | iamlindoro__: | If it's a problem with making the recordings, it'll be in the backend logs. If it's a problem with displaying them, it'll be in the frontend logs. |
| [01:04:38] | wagnerrp: | put it on the pastebin of your choice |
| [01:04:52] | coffeebinge: | iamlindoro, lemme look at the logs again. But last night the frontend was saying that live tv couldnt start |
| [01:05:27] | iamlindoro__: | rather than cherrypicking things from the logs, better just to pastebin them for us |
| [01:05:33] | coffeebinge: | wagnerrp: sorry, im a little new to irc. what is a pastebin? |
| [01:05:41] | iamlindoro__: | www.rafb.net/paste/ |
| [01:05:51] | wagnerrp: | pastebin.com, pastebin.ca, <any number of other similar sites> |
| [01:06:04] | iamlindoro__: | paste it in, hit the paste button, then paste the resultant link here |
| [01:06:12] | coffeebinge: | ok.. brb |
| [01:06:31] | kormoc: | you guys need to use http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=pastebin more :P |
| [01:06:59] | iamlindoro__: | Heh |
| [01:07:01] | wagnerrp: | isnt there a rather more vulger version of that? |
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| [01:07:16] | iamlindoro__: | www.justfuckinggoogleit.com |
| [01:07:23] | wagnerrp: | ah, yeah |
| [01:07:35] | iamlindoro__: | oh my gosh, it's gone! |
| [01:07:36] | wagnerrp: | i saw the first one on /. a few weeks ago |
| [01:07:47] | wagnerrp: | and the next one corrected him with justfuckinggoogleit |
| [01:07:51] | wagnerrp: | next post |
| [01:08:12] | iamlindoro__: | Oh wow, it's totally still in the google results for itself, but the site is gone :( |
| [01:10:22] | wagnerrp: | the domain was registered back in 2004 |
| [01:12:32] | iamlindoro__: | Some of this BBC footage of these douchebags in Mumbai is unreal |
| [01:12:43] | wagnerrp: | is that the hotel attack? |
| [01:13:08] | iamlindoro__: | yeah |
| [01:13:09] | wagnerrp: | seems the JFGI site is registered in your town |
| [01:13:31] | wagnerrp: | 2694 19th st |
| [01:13:33] | iamlindoro__: | thems my peeps |
| [01:14:06] | iamlindoro__: | (the JFGI guys, not the douchebags) |
| [01:14:22] | iamlindoro__: | oh wait, up the bay |
| [01:14:25] | wagnerrp: | oh... we know you love blowing up buildings |
| [01:14:28] | iamlindoro__: | asme area, different city :) |
| [01:14:39] | kormoc: | erm |
| [01:14:39] | iamlindoro__: | er same |
| [01:14:45] | kormoc: | I'm seeing the netherlands, http://whois.domaintools.com/justfuckingoogleit.com |
| [01:15:06] | coffeebinge: | ok back: http://rafb.net/p/1Oqri697.html |
| [01:15:08] | iamlindoro__: | Weird, I get San Fran, with a tech contact in France |
| [01:15:41] | iamlindoro__: | ah, here's your problem |
| [01:15:47] | iamlindoro__: | your backend is set to run on 127.0.0.1 |
| [01:16:01] | wagnerrp: | yeah, go into mythtv-setup on the backend |
| [01:16:05] | iamlindoro__: | You need to go to your master backend and set it to a real IP in mythtv-setup |
| [01:16:08] | wagnerrp: | first item, first page, give it a real address |
| [01:16:10] | coffeebinge: | iamlindoro: no |
| [01:16:24] | iamlindoro__: | umm... I promise it is |
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| [01:16:57] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, actually, he never even setup the backend... |
| [01:17:03] | iamlindoro__: | (or you have broken database, that's a slight possibility) |
| [01:17:14] | kormoc: | line #31, #17 |
| [01:17:14] | coffeebinge: | iamlindoro: sorry, i have the master backend set with an ip, but not the backend... if that makes sense |
| [01:17:59] | coffeebinge: | brb.. looking at my backend setup |
| [01:18:11] | wagnerrp: | remember, any changes mean restarting the backend |
| [01:18:19] | iamlindoro__: | pew pew |
| [01:19:48] | coffeebinge: | ok. I set the backend and the master backend both with 192.168.1.30. Thats the static ip of the system |
| [01:19:50] | iamlindoro__: | kormoc, looks like maybe he didn't do step one, but must have done the rest |
| [01:20:10] | kormoc: | coffeebinge, you have more then one backend? |
| [01:20:17] | coffeebinge: | no.. just one |
| [01:20:18] | iamlindoro__: | Holy cow, this is the pastebin that keeps on giving |
| [01:20:50] | iamlindoro__: | just remember, the mythtv-setup steps are numbered because none of them are optional ;) |
| [01:20:51] | kormoc: | iamlindoro__, it is truely christmas! |
| [01:21:00] | iamlindoro__: | kormoc, like a beautiful miracle |
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| [01:21:17] | kormoc: | coffeebinge, so after a restart of the backend? |
| [01:22:00] | coffeebinge: | kormoc: database is filling... |
| [01:22:04] | kormoc: | I can't believe that letmegooglethatforyou.com was first registered 11-18–2008 |
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| [01:22:06] | kormoc: | that's amazing |
| [01:22:07] | iamlindoro__: | you don't have to do that |
| [01:22:33] | coffeebinge: | iamlindoro: doh |
| [01:22:37] | iamlindoro__: | coffeebinge, mythfilldatabase doesn't have to be run after mythtv-setup |
| [01:22:42] | iamlindoro__: | oh well |
| [01:22:44] | kormoc: | meh |
| [01:22:49] | iamlindoro__: | that bandwidth wasn't doing anything anyway |
| [01:22:50] | kormoc: | it highly recommends that you do |
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| [01:23:15] | coffeebinge: | ok.. gonna jump on the frontend real quick.. brb |
| [01:23:23] | wagnerrp: | agh... when i rebuilt my backend, i forgot to add mythbackend to bootup |
| [01:23:26] | iamlindoro__: | kormoc, yeah, but people seem to always misunderstand it like mythfilldatabase someone "applies" the new settigns or something |
| [01:23:32] | wagnerrp: | missed 20 minutes of pushing daisies |
| [01:23:35] | iamlindoro__: | er somehow |
| [01:24:41] | iamlindoro__: | maybe a patch to change the language to something like "If you have added, modified, or updated channels or lineups, you may want to run mythfilldatabase now." |
| [01:25:30] | ** iamlindoro__ goes to see what it says right now ** | |
| [01:25:37] | coffeebinge: | thanks guys.. that did it |
| [01:25:48] | kormoc: | letmegooglethatforyou.com is for sale, min bid, $60 |
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| [01:26:46] | iamlindoro__: | Anyone running trunk want to try something for me? From the top menu, press esc, then choose "no" to exiting... do you get the main menu back eventually, or does it hang? |
| [01:26:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: ROTFLMAO... (haven't been watching the channel, helping a friend, but just read your line and nearly fell out of my chair!) |
| [01:29:46] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, hrm? |
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| [01:30:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | "letmegooglethatforyou.com"... ;-) |
| [01:30:53] | ** fuxxy clicks ** | |
| [01:32:12] | fuxxy: | hah! |
| [01:32:14] | ** J-e-f-f-A rolls on the floor ... http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=why+are+people+so+stupid%3F ** | |
| [01:32:41] | fuxxy: | J-e-f-f-A, hey, have you heard of "The Bat Cave" ? no, not the movie prop. |
| [01:33:49] | fuxxy: | http://www.cepro.com/article/the_batcave_home . . . deo_systems/ |
| [01:35:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | fuxxy: holy $hit... I'm dying over here... that's funny as hell.... I'm going to be using that ALL THE TIME now... ;-) |
| [01:35:13] | ** fuxxy goes back to researching HDMI wall plates. ** | |
| [01:35:28] | fuxxy: | J-e-f-f-A, yeah, I can see how it would be beneficial to use in IRC :) |
| [01:35:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: wow... that's awesome... ;-) I'm laughing so hard I started to cry... wow... ;-) |
| [01:35:43] | fuxxy: | J-e-f-f-A, How do I turn my computer on? |
| [01:35:52] | fuxxy: | "Let me google that for you" |
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| [01:37:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | fuxxy: check out this page: http://tinyurl.com/5fthxl |
| [01:41:53] | wagnerrp: | TNT is a bit premature, theyre playing A Christmas Story tonight |
| [01:42:06] | sphery: | Why does everyone think now is the time to go out and buy a new NVIDIA card to use VDPAU? |
| [01:42:27] | wagnerrp: | theyre listening to Crystal Method? |
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| [01:42:46] | sphery: | or maybe not listening and without the "od" |
| [01:43:05] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, HA, I was just catching up on users and thinking that same thing |
| [01:43:15] | sphery: | I just don't get it. |
| [01:43:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: Wow... ;-) I'm still rolling about "letmegooglethatforyou.com"... totally cool... ;-) |
| [01:43:21] | sphery: | It's not like -fixes has support |
| [01:43:39] | sphery: | It's not like the drivers are really ready |
| [01:44:01] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, at least they've clued into the fact that PCI + 512 + fanless exists |
| [01:44:34] | sphery: | saw that |
| [01:44:44] | iamlindoro__: | Guess we'll all need to get up to date on all the things that get broken when using VDPAU + PCI |
| [01:45:12] | iamlindoro__: | Or, ya know, maybe just laugh at people |
| [01:45:13] | sphery: | "Sparkle" brand, too. Wonder if it comes in a box with Homer Simpson and a bunch of bubbles for a picture. |
| [01:45:23] | pheld: | When tuning with szap-s2 it is enough to sample about 1200k (<1sec) from /dev/dvb/adapter1/dvr0 to get something ffplay can use (head --bytes=1200k /dev/dvb/adapter1/dvr0 > f). Tuning mythbackend at the same channel and it needs 358sec (avg across 10 samples) to find a keyframe and start recording. |
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| [01:45:35] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, "Cons: 64bit, but I'm not really concerned with it." |
| [01:45:51] | sphery: | which one is that? |
| [01:45:56] | pheld: | is this all down to versions of libavformat/libavcoded, or is there another explanation? |
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| [01:46:02] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, a review of the sparkle at newegg |
| [01:46:13] | sphery: | lol, nice |
| [01:46:55] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, There are too many things wrong with that to even know where to begin |
| [01:47:19] | sphery: | yeah, I agree |
| [01:47:32] | sphery: | http://www.liquidmatrix.org/blog/wp-content/u . . . rkleorig.jpg |
| [01:47:45] | sphery: | guess they aren't bubbles |
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| [01:48:25] | sphery: | speaking of clyons--I mean cylons--Caprica is a go |
| [01:48:41] | iamlindoro__: | Yeah, it seems like every 6 months they announce it as a go |
| [01:48:52] | iamlindoro__: | "No, for reals! Caprica! Coming! Soon...ish!" |
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| [01:48:59] | sphery: | at least they're saying 2010, so we're not expecting it right away. |
| [01:49:21] | iamlindoro__: | I have at least four or five episodes of the dollhouse to look forward to before Fox can teabag it to death |
| [01:49:53] | sphery: | you don't think Fox has gotten better at cancelling good shows since Firefly times? |
| [01:50:16] | iamlindoro__: | You're right, might get it canceled before the pilot ends |
| [01:50:21] | sphery: | Yeah, Reaper is cominb back. |
| [01:51:49] | sphery: | reduction of Knight Rider's season by 5 episodes... |
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| [01:53:57] | wagnerrp: | i still havent actually started watching that series |
| [01:54:12] | wagnerrp: | ive got the last four seasons, sitting on my hard drive, unwatched |
| [01:54:28] | sphery: | which is that? BSG? |
| [01:54:32] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [01:54:38] | sphery: | well worth it, IMHO |
| [01:55:15] | sphery: | I'm struggling to wait for the next season to be released on DVD (don't get SciFi). |
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| [02:13:40] | fuxxy_: | damnit, damnit, damnit. |
| [02:13:50] | fuxxy_: | my rack UPS batteries just went bad. |
| [02:14:38] | squish102: | can someone point me to a utility that will allow me to take my existing mythbuntu drive and copy it (image) onto a new bigger drive? |
| [02:15:19] | cesman: | dd |
| [02:16:08] | fuxxy_: | cesman, that will copy the partition table also, won't it? |
| [02:17:45] | cesman: | it can |
| [02:17:52] | fuxxy_: | squish102, you don't want to copy the partition table to the new drive unless it's the same size as the old. |
| [02:17:58] | sphery: | if you don't want the partition table, then (find +) cpio |
| [02:18:11] | squish102: | it is a different size and not configured |
| [02:18:42] | squish102: | going from a sata 150gig to a new 1tb drive |
| [02:18:56] | squish102: | ok i'll read up on dd |
| [02:19:04] | ** fuxxy_ grabs for the old 150GB sata ** | |
| [02:19:07] | wagnerrp: | just load up knoppix or something, and copy the data |
| [02:19:24] | Lexridge: | you will then need something like gpartd to resize you partition to use the unused space. |
| [02:19:25] | wagnerrp: | instant solution |
| [02:19:34] | sphery: | use a livecd, like Ubuntu or KnoppMyth or whatever, use cfdisk to partition the new drive, and make a filesystem, then mount the old and the new partitions, then use cd /mnt/oldpartition && find . -print0 | cpio -dpmv0 /mnt/newpartition |
| [02:20:26] | squish102: | ok cool, i'll try that |
| [02:20:26] | Lexridge: | that should has read gparted, not gpartd |
| [02:20:28] | wagnerrp: | no sense adding complexity like expanding a partition |
| [02:20:39] | sphery: | though cpio (and tar and zip and ... anything except pax) won't handle files > 2GB so if you have any of those, you should use a find . -size +2G -prune -o -print0 |
| [02:21:00] | Gumby: | can anyone tell me if there is a verbose way of running mythtv-setup. I just installed mythbuntu 8.10 on my frontend/slave backend and when I run mythtv-setup it asks me if I want to stop the backend and then skips everything else and the next input I get is if I want to run mythconverg or not. |
| [02:21:03] | wagnerrp: | those should only be recordings |
| [02:21:32] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp: true, but otherwise he wont see the added HDD space. |
| [02:21:44] | sphery: | (actually, cp would work for files > 2GB, but cp would also copy hard links and symlinks incorrectly, so don't use it, except for the +2GB files after the fact) |
| [02:21:47] | wagnerrp: | Lexridge: thats why you just copy the files |
| [02:22:25] | sphery: | I agree with wagnerrp copy (with cpio) is /so/ much easier (and better) |
| [02:22:28] | Lexridge: | oh, I missed that he wasn't dd'ing his root partition. |
| [02:22:32] | squish102: | out of interest why do all the common utilities only support < 2gig files? |
| [02:22:35] | Lexridge: | nm |
| [02:23:28] | sphery: | because they were all originally specified when computers couldn't count to 4billion :) |
| [02:23:35] | wagnerrp: | squish102: because when they were written 20 years ago, the concept of a 2GB file was nonsensical |
| [02:24:04] | wagnerrp: | same reason why older file systems cannot have >2GB files |
| [02:24:04] | squish102: | and no-one has gone back and changed it? |
| [02:24:11] | sphery: | pax is the only one with a new specification format that allows very large files, but GNU doesn't have a maintainer for pax and it isn't complete, so it doesn't get much respect |
| [02:24:14] | wagnerrp: | seems so |
| [02:24:19] | Lexridge: | kinda goes along with "who would ever need more than 640k of RAM" lol |
| [02:24:33] | wagnerrp: | fdisk cannot handle disks >2TB for the same reason |
| [02:24:36] | sphery: | can't change it because of compatiblity |
| [02:24:57] | cesman: | squish102: what "common utilities" are you talking about? |
| [02:24:58] | wagnerrp: | so everyone is switching to GPT |
| [02:25:24] | sphery: | in truth, some distros /break/ their versions of cpio to allow for >2GiB files, but in so doing, any cpio archives they create are not readable by a standards compliant cpio (cough, yeah, I'm looking at you, Debian, cough) |
| [02:26:10] | wagnerrp: | love them RFCs |
| [02:26:12] | sphery: | wagnerrp: didn't know that was a limitation on fdisk--you mean the GNU fdisk from util-linux-ng? |
| [02:26:33] | wagnerrp: | i mean at least under freebsd, fdisk doesnt work beyond 2TB |
| [02:26:41] | cesman: | squish102: in most cases, most files (general computer files) will be under 2 gigs |
| [02:26:41] | wagnerrp: | you have to use some 'guid partition table' |
| [02:26:43] | sphery: | Oh, you mean the partition table stuff... |
| [02:26:52] | sphery: | I'd never heard of GPT |
| [02:27:09] | wagnerrp: | i came across it when trying to expand my last raid array |
| [02:27:28] | sphery: | heh, haven't tried making a > 1.5TB filesystem, myself |
| [02:28:07] | wagnerrp: | i think thats why its not a big issue (yet) |
| [02:28:26] | wagnerrp: | and things like SANs come up with their own solution |
| [02:28:42] | squish102: | i presume all the new filesystems support files > 2gig (ext3, reiser, etc) |
| [02:28:49] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [02:29:10] | sphery: | yeah, once Seagate releases some broken 3TB HDD's, I'm sure many will learn about it. |
| [02:29:24] | wagnerrp: | well standard DVDs do not support >2GB |
| [02:29:25] | sphery: | don't use FAT32, though |
| [02:29:48] | sphery: | standard DVD's (meaning DVD video) uses 1GiB files |
| [02:30:05] | sphery: | data DVD's are limited to 2GB? |
| [02:30:05] | wagnerrp: | dvd video uses 1GB, but the partitioning scheme allows for 2GB |
| [02:30:16] | wagnerrp: | file scheme |
| [02:30:45] | wagnerrp: | anyway, you have to use UDF if you want larger files |
| [02:31:00] | wagnerrp: | which is still of limited support in some OSs |
| [02:31:03] | sphery: | interesting |
| [02:31:16] | sphery: | so, back to the GPT thing... for GPT support, you have to have an EFI BIOS? |
| [02:31:38] | wagnerrp: | for booting? maybe |
| [02:32:09] | sphery: | hmmm... seems I'll have some learning to do |
| [02:32:14] | wagnerrp: | a secondary disk should be completely handled by the OS |
| [02:32:21] | sphery: | Cool. |
| [02:34:24] | GTswagger: | sphery: that fixed the second pass failing. |
| [02:34:26] | squish102: | hoping not to start any wars, but is it a good idea to make a swap, and then put everything else in ao ext3? |
| [02:34:51] | squish102: | *in an lvm and format to ext3 |
| [02:34:59] | GTswagger: | sphery: Audio still gets progressively out of sync though. I'm going to install ffmpeg svn and see if it fixes that problem. (been using --transcode) |
| [02:35:43] | wagnerrp: | ext3, not really |
| [02:35:57] | wagnerrp: | not for excessively large files (recordings) anyway |
| [02:36:09] | sphery: | GTswagger: Good to hear. Thanks for the report. I'll see if DBD allows passing the timeout information in the request so system config isn't relevant. |
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| [02:37:45] | squish102: | wagnerrp, any suggestions, OS + recordings |
| [02:37:54] | wagnerrp: | yeah, dont |
| [02:38:12] | wagnerrp: | separate partitions, easier, simplier, no headaches |
| [02:38:13] | sphery: | GTswagger: there's also the Java one... A lot of people swear by it because it "fixes" A/V sync issues, but I found that it fixed it by adding or deleting audio frames, so after a while, it would have an audio or video glitch and it still allows sync to wander (but much less so than ffmpeg/transcode) |
| [02:38:27] | sphery: | can't remember what the java video editor/transcoder is called |
| [02:38:33] | squish102: | separate OS from recordings, ext3 in lvm for OS and ??? in lvm for recordings |
| [02:38:35] | RyeBrye: | Project X |
| [02:38:56] | sphery: | thx |
| [02:39:01] | RyeBrye: | sphery – that's the name of it. I use it, it works. but I only use it because the default one was bombing on me |
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| [02:39:28] | sphery: | yeah, once you said it, it rang a bell |
| [02:39:36] | wagnerrp: | squish102: whatever you want for OS, usually either JFS or XFS for recordings |
| [02:39:42] | wagnerrp: | just something that handles large files well |
| [02:39:42] | RyeBrye: | It is an ancient java program – I think it is wrtten against JDK 1.2 or some old crap like that |
| [02:39:44] | sphery: | I wasn't happy with it, though I'll admit it generally did better than anything else I used |
| [02:39:56] | RyeBrye: | the GUI of it is an abomination |
| [02:39:59] | squish102: | thx wagnerrp |
| [02:40:18] | sphery: | yeah, most Java devs don't know how to do a proper Java GUI |
| [02:40:22] | iamlindoro__: | -async 10 |
| [02:40:28] | wagnerrp: | plus that way, you can guarantee space for OS and database |
| [02:40:28] | sphery: | Last Update: Mar 30 2006 |
| [02:40:32] | iamlindoro__: | is the ffmpeg option he wants |
| [02:40:34] | RyeBrye: | sphery – A proper Java GUI is done in Flex, duh :) |
| [02:40:38] | wagnerrp: | no risk of overruns |
| [02:40:44] | RyeBrye: | or AIR with a merapi bridge :) |
| [02:40:48] | RyeBrye: | Swing is an abomination |
| [02:41:21] | sphery: | RyeBrye: actually, now, a proper Java GUI is done in Ruby (or Python, though I wouldn't ever choose Python)--with Java 6 scripting language support running the Ruby in the JVM |
| [02:41:39] | RyeBrye: | Ok, that works too :) |
| [02:41:40] | sphery: | Swing is definitely a /lot/ better than MFC |
| [02:42:24] | RyeBrye: | yeah, MFC is crap |
| [02:42:27] | sphery: | though Swing is /way/ too expensive considering most organizations throw away the GUI every couple of years--meaning there's no reason to write a 10- or 15-year GUI because you'll never recoup development costs in maintenance |
| [02:43:11] | RyeBrye: | true. Just throw in a new look and feel with PLAF and hope the users don't notice ;) |
| [02:43:53] | sphery: | Isn't JavaFX supposed to be the answer to Flash (or is it Flex or AIR or ???) and Silverlight? Has anyone ever actually used JavaFX? |
| [02:45:21] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, I found another issue with that fsID caching code in Storage Groups. If ever it was incorrectly determined that two directories were not the same filesystem, the bug prevented them from being correctly detected later. I saw this happen last night after mythtranscode finished. it was removing the old file (straight unlink(), no slow-delete), so the usages differed wildly on two backends so the fsID cache thought t |
| [02:45:21] | Captain_Murdoch: | hey were different filesystems and it still thinks that even though their usage numbers match now. |
| [02:46:00] | sphery: | wow... |
| [02:46:12] | sphery: | I'm so glad you're back :) |
| [02:47:50] | sphery: | I'm kind of glad I have a very simple SG configuration (only local drives on each of 2 backends, only one dir per filesystem), though I suppose if mine were more complex, I might have noticed some of these things so I could have helped with the fixes while you were busy. |
| [02:51:00] | iamlindoro__: | On the other hand he'll have to put up with you know who bitching about SGs every time his 500 MB hard drive fills up |
| [02:51:40] | sphery: | true |
| [02:52:06] | sphery: | I gave him the short version of the complaint yesterday, so at least he'll be expecting it. :) |
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| [02:59:25] | Captain_Murdoch: | I'm adding a bunch of debugging output for SG code that will help explain why it chooses certain dirs if you use "-v file,schedule" |
| [03:01:55] | iamlindoro__: | if (total_storage_space < 1GB) {VERBOSE(VB_IMPORTANT, "Clever, get a job you lazy idiot");} |
| [03:02:18] | Captain_Murdoch: | current logic should put things on filesystems with free space first, and only resort to a filesystem without enough free space if it can't find one with enough. |
| [03:02:31] | Captain_Murdoch: | maybe he'll get a bigger USB stick in his stocking for Christmas. :) |
| [03:02:46] | sphery: | even if there's already a recording in progress on the filesystem with free space? |
| [03:03:56] | iamlindoro__: | He should get a shiny box of "get the hell out of my house" |
| [03:04:05] | Captain_Murdoch: | after it figures out the weights, it goes through the list in weight order trying to find a dir with enough space. that's pass 1 of the loop. if it can't find a dir with enough free space, it goes through the list again in the same order and will pick the first dir (lowest weight). |
| [03:04:11] | iamlindoro__: | with a "take a shower" bow |
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| [03:05:01] | sphery: | Oh, so it's only when autoexpire is required that it makes people mad (i.e. by recording to whatever drive, "even though I had much older recordings on a different drive"). |
| [03:05:41] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, danger, danger, the HD-PVR -fixes patches are making the rounda again |
| [03:05:44] | iamlindoro__: | er rounds |
| [03:06:20] | Captain_Murdoch: | yeah. it doesn't take autoexpire into account at all. it does print a message if you have "-v file" on saying something may get expired becaues it didn't have enough free space. since I rarely have things expire I haven't had motivation to write the large amount of code to make it check the expirer to see. that also goes against the "spread out the I/O" philosophy. |
| [03:06:20] | sphery: | iamlindoro__: saw that... People were talking about "good support in -fixes" and I was very confused until I saw mention, "unofficially backported." |
| [03:06:48] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: there's a ticket that adds another pass to take autoexpire into account... Looking for it now. |
| [03:07:03] | Captain_Murdoch: | yeah, I have that bookmarked, but haven't looked at it all the way through. |
| [03:07:22] | sphery: | yeah, I haven't looked at the code at all |
| [03:07:55] | iamlindoro__: | I expect when I come home after the weekend I will find that Hulu is "unofficially supported" through a complex system of levers, pulleys, a fly-by-wire system, and copious ruby and PHP |
| [03:08:34] | ** sphery wonders why #5070 is still open ** | |
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| [03:12:11] | sphery: | wow... that was hard to find again... http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5746 Could seriously use keywords "storage groups" |
| [03:12:35] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, I dunno if gtswagger clued into it or not, but his issue with ffmpeg was a missing -async 10 (or similar numerical value) |
| [03:12:59] | sphery: | heh, it gets the YL seal of approval, so it must be good for those who are right-thinking |
| [03:13:12] | iamlindoro__: | which compares the timecodes every 10 (or x) frames and stretches/compresses the audio as appropriate to maintain parity |
| [03:13:41] | sphery: | cool... I thought that applied a constant offset to sync |
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| [03:13:57] | sphery: | (but I haven't done much transcoding, because, um, cheap HDD's) |
| [03:14:08] | iamlindoro__: | nope, x is the # of frame interval to recheck |
| [03:14:22] | iamlindoro__: | and 0 is a special case where it is synched at the beginning and then never again |
| [03:14:39] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, Nor I, but there was a time |
| [03:15:25] | sphery: | so how come nuvexport and/or mythtranscode don't do that? |
| [03:15:47] | iamlindoro__: | I runno |
| [03:16:18] | sphery: | I'm actually very upset by the people who reported errors in #5070, now. |
| [03:16:50] | iamlindoro__: | I correct myself, by the way, 1 is the special case |
| [03:16:57] | iamlindoro__: | but otherwise, yeah, as described |
| [03:17:23] | iamlindoro__: | It's the only way I used to get reliable automated transcodes from digital recordings with flaws |
| [03:17:43] | sphery: | OK... No longer upset. I think it could occur even if they didn't hack their DB's. |
| [03:19:01] | sphery: | end result is the same, though... To fix the problem correctly, I have to write more code like the code I just wrote for the people fix. (Funny enough, people.name--which I just fixed--will have to be futher fixed.) |
| [03:19:44] | sphery: | guess now would be a pretty good time to work on it, though, since I just figured out how to do it with that last patch... |
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| [03:28:12] | Captain_Murdoch: | that SG patch doesn't take into account filesystems that aren't available on the master. I like the idea but it needs a little more work and needs to be an option for those who want to prefer balancing I/O instead of disk space. |
| [03:29:59] | sphery: | heh, so still a "large amount of code to make it check the expirer to see" (at least large from the standpoint that you won't really be using the code yourself :) |
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| [03:35:03] | wagnerrp: | any tool i can use to quickly cut out a segment of ATSC? |
| [03:35:15] | Captain_Murdoch: | well, it only checks the local filesystem for the files, if it's not local on the master, then it ignores the file because it doesn't know what fs it is on. |
| [03:35:21] | wagnerrp: | all the stuff i use is designed for avi, and doesnt handle mpeg2 very well, mpeg2ts less so |
| [03:35:55] | iamlindoro__: | wagnerrp, mythtranscode lossless won't do the job? |
| [03:36:04] | iamlindoro__: | avidemux will do it easily, or mpeg2cut2 in windows |
| [03:36:24] | wagnerrp: | well i dont want to clip everything, just a 1minute section |
| [03:36:30] | wagnerrp: | mpeg2cut2 sounds good, checking |
| [03:36:42] | iamlindoro__: | mepg2cut2 is my favorite for quick edits and good audio sync |
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| [03:41:28] | blahrus_: | mythtv newbie here, trying to get my xorg working right, but the whole screen just apears to larger for the LCD TV |
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| [03:41:35] | blahrus_: | the TV can only do 720p |
| [03:41:58] | blahrus_: | I am connectd direct via HDMI port on an intel x4500 onboard card |
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| [03:43:02] | iamlindoro__: | too large by what percent? When you move the mouse to the edge of the screen does the whole thing scroll? |
| [03:43:20] | blahrus_: | I am currently using Mythbuntu |
| [03:43:22] | blahrus_: | or tryin too |
| [03:43:52] | blahrus_: | iamlindoro__: no it doesn't scroll at all |
| [03:46:43] | wagnerrp: | well i downloaded it, opened up my directory of video tools to unpack it, found i had a copy sitting there from several months ago |
| [03:47:19] | iamlindoro__: | blahrus_, what percentage is it too large by? Say... 5% on all sides? |
| [03:48:21] | wagnerrp: | a lot of TVs overscan even on the digital inputs |
| [03:48:36] | iamlindoro__: | blahrus_, that's overscan. Common/usual with HDMI inputs. On some higher/high end TVs you can disable overscan on inputs, but on a lot you cannot. |
| [03:48:46] | wagnerrp: | if you go into the frontend settings, there is a setup wizard that will let you scale back the GUI |
| [03:48:52] | iamlindoro__: | You can use myth's own Screen wizard to resize the myth GUI to fit your overscan, though |
| [03:49:31] | blahrus_: | hurm . . . I can't even get it installed :( |
| [03:49:48] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro__: all that punctuation... its slowing you down... :P |
| [03:49:49] | hads: | Use a VGA input |
| [03:50:03] | iamlindoro__: | wagnerrp, ah well |
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| [03:50:55] | iamlindoro__: | blahrus_, Can't get what installed? What's stopping you? |
| [03:51:13] | iamlindoro__: | boot from the mythbuntu cd, choose the "install mythbuntu" option |
| [03:52:10] | blahrus_: | iamlindoro__ working on that, trying vga now |
| [03:52:30] | ** iamlindoro__ doesn't understand how overscan is preventing an install ** | |
| [03:52:45] | blahrus_: | can't see half the stuff I need to click on/do |
| [03:52:49] | wagnerrp: | well with vga, you can define your own custom modeline (graphics drivers permitting) and display exactly the size you want |
| [03:53:09] | wagnerrp: | but tuning such a thing is rather complex |
| [03:53:16] | wagnerrp: | best just to stick to hdmi/dvi |
| [03:53:16] | iamlindoro__: | and painful |
| [03:53:56] | wagnerrp: | im not liking how nvidia pulled overscan control from their tv outputs |
| [03:53:59] | blahrus_: | wagnerrp: when I ran it in live mode, I was able to select the right rez |
| [03:54:10] | blahrus_: | wagnerrp: and the over scan at that point was about 5% all around |
| [03:54:26] | blahrus_: | the live cd on HDMI the rez is much lower, and I prolly have 15% over |
| [03:54:35] | hads: | *shrug* Modes "1360x768" works for me with VGA |
| [03:54:54] | blahrus_: | does it look as good as HDMI though? |
| [03:55:14] | hads: | Yes |
| [03:55:20] | iamlindoro__: | looks like soup to me |
| [03:55:37] | hads: | Guess it depends on your card and TV |
| [03:56:01] | wagnerrp: | if you have a tv that will display pixel accurate, hdmi will end up looking better |
| [03:56:31] | wagnerrp: | but if you cannot disable overscan on your tv, youre going to be scaling the digital image, and it will look no better than vga |
| [03:56:33] | hads: | But getting HDMI to not overscan is painful if you can't. |
| [03:56:48] | wagnerrp: | unless you have a crappy vga cable and get ghosting |
| [03:58:26] | ** blahrus_ watches 1TB format :( ** | |
| [03:58:39] | wagnerrp: | should take maybe 20 seconds |
| [03:58:50] | blahrus_: | oh nice, it's already copying |
| [03:58:55] | blahrus_: | must not do a true format :) |
| [03:59:00] | blahrus_: | which is fine by me |
| [03:59:19] | wagnerrp: | it does a true format, it just doesnt do an initialization |
| [03:59:34] | wagnerrp: | no one does that except windows and raid cards |
| [04:01:22] | wagnerrp: | although in windows you can bypass that with a 'quick format' |
| [04:01:36] | wagnerrp: | and i think vista skips the initialization by default |
| [04:01:59] | blahrus_: | can't wait for this, I have wanted a mythtv box for many many years |
| [04:02:02] | blahrus_: | just getting around to it :) |
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| [04:12:07] | iamlindoro__: | jpabq / abqjp , IT looks like the 9300 IGP may not be able to do VC-1 offload, which is a bummer but not the end of the world |
| [04:12:08] | arodd: | Does anyone know if PS3 should play files after they have been mythcommflagged/mythtranscoded with mpeg2 lossless? |
| [04:12:32] | arodd: | I think it takes it from TS->PS but i'm not sure whether the PS3 supports MPEG2-PS vs. TS |
| [04:13:26] | blahrus_: | yea, HDMI deffently looked better here] |
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| [04:19:04] | GTswagger: | sphery: trying to use ffmpeg-svn lead to a complete cluster-f of building everything else from source so bleh. |
| [04:19:05] | iamlindoro__: | arodd, yes, it converts to PS. If you think that's the issue, once you've done the lossless transcode, you can do ffmpeg -i transcodedfile.mpg -acodec copy -vcodec copy -f mpegts outputfile.mpg |
| [04:19:23] | GTswagger: | I built an older nuvexport (02/2007) from source. Will see if it fixes the audio sync issues. |
| [04:19:27] | iamlindoro__: | arodd, and you'll have a file that's a TS and you can try that |
| [04:19:37] | sphery: | GTswagger: did you see what iamlindoro__ said about -async for ffmpeg? |
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| [04:19:47] | GTswagger: | sphery: negative |
| [04:19:53] | GTswagger: | sphery: I'm using --transcode |
| [04:20:00] | iamlindoro__: | GTswagger, -async xxx where xxx = # of times to sample a second |
| [04:20:06] | sphery: | yeah, that |
| [04:20:19] | sphery: | shouldn't require new ffmpeg (it's in mine from 2004) |
| [04:20:24] | iamlindoro__: | will resync time codes and subtly warp audio to preserve sync |
| [04:20:25] | arodd: | iamlindoro__ that remains lossless as well correct because it's just remuxing from PS->TS? |
| [04:20:32] | iamlindoro__: | arodd, right |
| [04:20:43] | GTswagger: | sphery: When I run the latest nuvexport (03/2008) it complains it MUST HAVE svn and then exits. |
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| [04:21:04] | iamlindoro__: | GTswagger, I used -async 10 before I realized disks were cheaper than my time and stopped transcoding |
| [04:21:11] | GTswagger: | iamlindoro__: Is that a way to re-encode existing file and fix? |
| [04:21:14] | arodd: | superb, that was fairly a fairly obvious solution. Any more obvious and it would smack me in the face. |
| [04:21:17] | sphery: | haven't used nuvexport |
| [04:21:26] | iamlindoro__: | GTswagger, once you've done the transcode, the original timestamps are gone baby gone |
| [04:21:35] | iamlindoro__: | you need the source file to be able to do it |
| [04:21:48] | GTswagger: | Still have it. |
| [04:21:55] | iamlindoro__: | arodd, That's not to say that it'll make it work with the PS3 but it's worth a shot :) |
| [04:22:20] | iamlindoro__: | GTswagger, and, of course, you need to be transcoding the audio to use async, won't work with an -acodec copy |
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| [04:22:52] | GTswagger: | iamlindoro__: Problem is I'm forced to use transcode. Using latest nuvexport it wants ffmpeg-svn. Using older nuvexport ffmpeg says "Unknown option: -flag" |
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| [04:23:27] | arodd: | the native mpg recordings from my ATSC card play perfectly on the PS3 via MythUPNP. I believe those are TS. I think I've tried to commflag/lossless encode with cuts before and the file wouldn't play. Hopefully that's all it was. I will give it a shot with the next few records. |
| [04:23:31] | iamlindoro__: | GTswagger, if you check out a copy of nuvexport that's approximately the same vintage of your ffmpeg, should work ok |
| [04:23:46] | iamlindoro__: | arodd, you are correct, the recordings from your ATSC card are TS |
| [04:24:01] | iamlindoro__: | arodd, and yeah, there's no other real change in lossless |
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| [04:24:52] | GTswagger: | iamlindoro__: nuvexport is 03/2008 ... ffmpeg is 20080715–3 |
| [04:24:55] | arodd: | The PS3 actually plays the TS streams as well as my cable box does. I've yet to build a decent linux frontend with solid mpeg2 decoding that can match the PS3/cable box quality. You can't even discern the difference whereas |
| [04:25:33] | iamlindoro__: | Since the MPEG-2 fix this afternoon, I'm finding the nvidia VDPAU decode of MPEG-2 to be really impressive |
| [04:25:41] | arodd: | ??? |
| [04:25:45] | arodd: | Did they add vsync? |
| [04:26:11] | arodd: | or sync to vblank(whichever causes the tearing) |
| [04:26:21] | iamlindoro__: | vsync is there in the driver, just needs some implementation applicationside, that's coming in myth |
| [04:27:05] | GTswagger: | iamlindoro__: I just upgraded to the nVidia beta driver .... looking forward to less CPU destruction. |
| [04:27:18] | GTswagger: | Of course, that assumes freakin' plasma in KDE4 isn't already destroying my CPU. |
| [04:27:22] | GTswagger: | >:-| |
| [04:27:26] | arodd: | was the fix in myth or in the beta driver? |
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| [04:28:07] | iamlindoro__: | There was a fix for MPEG-2 rendering errors in myth/libavcodec this afternoon that made the rendering near-perfect. Yes, vsync remains unimplemented in the player but it's on the way |
| [04:29:27] | arodd: | I had compiled the copy of myth with VDPAU last week, I will have to update and re-compile to see how it fares now. My backend is still running a stable release though and I didn't feel like ruining that integrity so I can really only play recordings via an NFS mount with the updated frontend. |
| [04:30:09] | iamlindoro__: | That's probably a prudent decision |
| [04:30:49] | arodd: | I'm assuming vsync is handled at the vo layer? As in vsync support needs to be added for Xv/XvMC/OpenGL/etc.?? |
| [04:31:07] | iamlindoro__: | right |
| [04:31:42] | arodd: | So it's just not there yet for VDPAU in myth. But you can achieve vsync with XvMC as that's already been coded. |
| [04:31:46] | GTswagger: | iamlindoro__: I commented out the svn check of ffmpeg ... when I run nuvexport, mythtranscode goes into runaway memory gobbling. |
| [04:31:59] | GTswagger: | I killed it after it ate 1.5 GB and was running into swap. |
| [04:32:27] | iamlindoro__: | arodd, Well, if there were such a thing as a XvmC and VDPAU capable card, yes |
| [04:32:34] | iamlindoro__: | GTswagger, chomp chomp |
| [04:33:23] | GTswagger: | iamlindoro__: Any ideas where the time sync issue could come from when using transcode? |
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| [04:34:28] | iamlindoro__: | GTswagger, If it's a digital recording source, then it's coming from tiny errors in the video and audio streams |
| [04:34:47] | iamlindoro__: | ie from the source material |
| [04:34:57] | Gumby: | does anyone here work with patch files or diffs? I am trying to understand the syntax of @@ -15,6 +15,8 @@ I understand the -15, the 6, and the 8 but I cant figure out what the +15 means |
| [04:35:21] | GTswagger: | iamlindoro__: analog cable, because Charter Communications refuses to spend money on infrastructure :) |
| [04:35:25] | sphery: | Gumby: are you editing patch files? |
| [04:35:36] | sphery: | really there are better ways to merge changes |
| [04:36:00] | iamlindoro__: | GTswagger, not entirely certain then, audio sync and transcoding are always at war with each other |
| [04:36:02] | Gumby: | sphery: yes. its just one simple edit (although not simple enough for me) |
| [04:36:08] | grokky: | Howdy all... I've done some searching in the list archives on this but didn't find anything definitive. Is there a way to set a default audio DELAY for all recordings,livetv and videos? |
| [04:36:35] | iamlindoro__: | grokky, no. Not globally, anyway |
| [04:36:53] | iamlindoro__: | you can adjust audio delay in the player in realtime, though |
| [04:37:04] | ** iamlindoro__ wonders if grokky has opened any tickets lately ** | |
| [04:37:13] | sphery: | but, really, it says, starting at line 15 in the original file, the chunk of 6 lines becomes starting at line 15 in the second file a total of 8 lines |
| [04:37:22] | grokky: | I guess that will have to do, unless there is an easy way to do it by hacking the code and recompiling. |
| [04:38:01] | iamlindoro__: | find where the audio sync int is initialized and hardcode it to = -200 |
| [04:38:30] | grokky: | My new tv (Sony Bravia) delays video due to the image processing, causing loss of lip sync, and I have the audio from the frontend going directly into my amp, which cannot add a delay. |
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| [04:39:02] | sphery: | Gumby: you can be off on the line numbers, but the total number of lines (before/after) /must/ be perfect |
| [04:39:18] | grokky: | iamlindoro, That's probably what I'll do. Although I suspect I might end up turning off all the image processing in the tv anyway. |
| [04:39:34] | Gumby: | sphery: I see now. |
| [04:39:38] | Gumby: | sphery: thanks |
| [04:44:05] | arodd: | When forcing a commflag method from cli do you use the actual hex value or the decimal equivalent? |
| [04:44:22] | arodd: | It doesn't pronounce which method it actually uses which is ....strange. |
| [04:46:33] | iamlindoro__: | you use the text tag for the method |
| [04:46:41] | iamlindoro__: | --metho scene |
| [04:46:45] | iamlindoro__: | er --method scene |
| [04:46:46] | iamlindoro__: | etc |
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| [04:56:36] | ** iamlindoro__ cries a little more for Pushing Daisies ** | |
| [04:56:50] | Captain_Murdoch: | because it's going off? |
| [04:57:05] | iamlindoro__: | Yeah, canceled |
| [04:57:21] | sphery: | now I'm crying, too... Thanks for reminding me. |
| [04:57:33] | sphery: | how many more episodes? Was tonight's the last? |
| [04:57:52] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, 13 total, tonight's is 2x08 |
| [04:58:03] | jblack: | it's cancelled? Didn't it just start showing on TV? |
| [04:58:09] | iamlindoro__: | I'll also remind you that The Dollhouse is coming to FRIDAYs |
| [04:58:19] | Captain_Murdoch: | jblack, 2nd (half) season |
| [04:58:19] | sphery: | Joss's favorite night on Fox |
| [04:58:21] | iamlindoro__: | jblack, second season |
| [04:58:31] | Captain_Murdoch: | was cut short last season by writers strike |
| [04:59:16] | sphery: | which is probably why it's getting cancelled (lost too many viewers in the long hiatuses--hiati?) |
| [05:00:05] | jblack: | Yet they'll keep doing heroes. |
| [05:00:47] | sphery: | iamlindoro__: just figured out what 2x08 means... It's not the 2nd episode of 2008, but the 8th episode of season 2. So, now I understand. Thanks for the info (and the puzzle). |
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| [05:01:26] | sphery: | I still like Heroes... I'll admit that they haven't done a good season ending, yet, but the rest is pretty good. |
| [05:01:50] | sphery: | (I'm not as upset as some about the time traveling.) |
| [05:01:52] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, heh |
| [05:02:04] | iamlindoro__: | Apparently Bryan Fuller will finish out the season with Heroes |
| [05:02:09] | iamlindoro__: | so it might actually get good |
| [05:02:15] | iamlindoro__: | and NO SPOILERS |
| [05:02:16] | sphery: | what else did he do? |
| [05:02:23] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, Pushing Daisies? |
| [05:02:26] | iamlindoro__: | Wonderfalls? |
| [05:02:28] | sphery: | oh |
| [05:02:30] | iamlindoro__: | Dead Like me? |
| [05:02:40] | Captain_Murdoch: | ahh, 'tis a pleasing sight to see all 5 filesystems detected correctly across all 3 backends. |
| [05:02:44] | sphery: | I loved the first 2, don't know Dead Like Me |
| [05:02:59] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, You'd love it then |
| [05:03:12] | sphery: | I'll put it on the list |
| [05:03:35] | sphery: | (Wasn't it a cable TV show? Maybe even premium channel?) |
| [05:03:35] | wagnerrp: | dead like me, girl gets hit by space toilet, dies, starts her new life as a 'grim reaper' aiding others to the afterlife |
| [05:03:36] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, Very very very similar main character to wonderfalls, plus it has Mandy Patinkin! |
| [05:03:42] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, showtime |
| [05:03:52] | sphery: | sounds good |
| [05:04:07] | wagnerrp: | it was showtime? i watched it when scifi picked it up a few years ago |
| [05:04:12] | iamlindoro__: | It's really poignant, too. I loved it. |
| [05:04:24] | iamlindoro__: | Another canceled before its time, but at least there were two seasons |
| [05:04:45] | iamlindoro__: | there's a direct to DVD movie coming soon, too |
| [05:05:51] | sphery: | Guess Bryan only does 2 season shows... (Wonderfalls doesn't count because it was Fox, and Fox doesn't do 2 season shows--just partial seasons or 20-seasons (Simpsons)) |
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| [05:07:18] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, They're all grim reapers but they all have day jobs, it's hilarious. Main character is a file clerk. Think of it as The Office meets Wonderfalls meets Pushing Daisies meets ermm... yeah. |
| [05:07:36] | sphery: | nice |
| [05:07:54] | sphery: | But, without Caroline Dhavernas, can it really be like Wonderfalls? |
| [05:08:13] | iamlindoro__: | It has Ellen Muth |
| [05:08:16] | iamlindoro__: | She rocks |
| [05:26:34] | iamlindoro__: | I'm so sick of 2 Mbit MPEG-2 SD Daily Show |
| [05:26:44] | iamlindoro__: | NEED COMEDY CENTRAL HD |
| [05:29:22] | Lexridge: | agreed!!! |
| [05:30:12] | Lexridge: | The Daily Show would be awesome in HD! |
| [05:34:09] | Gumby: | If I am compiling mythtv and when I do a ./configure it says "lirc support No" is there something I need to install to get it? I tried --enable-lirc but that had no effect |
| [05:34:57] | jblack: | Oh, dead like me. That was a great show. Cancelled, of course. |
| [05:35:13] | jblack: | keep an eye out for falling toilet seats. |
| [05:36:12] | iamlindoro__: | Well, Comedy Central HD goes online next month, hopefully they add it in my market soon. |
| [05:36:48] | Lexridge: | hopefully it will be added to Dish soon as well. |
| [05:37:20] | sphery: | Gumby: you have to have liblirc_client.so and lirc/lirc_client.h in one of the specified lib and include directories, respectively, or it will disable LIRC |
| [05:37:50] | Gumby: | sphery: thanks. I'll figure that one out now :) |
| [05:39:35] | sphery: | Gumby: if yours is in a non-standard location, you'll have to specify the location with $LD_LIBRARY_PATH or --extra-cflags=-I/path/to/include/dir |
| [05:40:37] | sphery: | (not sure the second will work) |
| [05:41:20] | Gumby: | hrm, I just compared it to a box I compiled the same version of myth on and both of those files are in the same place on both boxes and I've followed the same howto for both boxes |
| [05:41:25] | ** Gumby wonders what the difference is ** | |
| [05:41:40] | jpabq: | iamlindoro__, only HD-DVD I have is "Streets of Fire" I got out of a bargain bin. So, I don't know that I really care about VC-1. |
| [05:42:12] | iamlindoro__: | jpabq, Yeah, I've got 20 or so titles so it'd be nice, but I can do it in CPU if I must |
| [05:42:42] | sphery: | Gumby: do you have $LD_LIBRARY_PATH specified on one? Does /etc/ld.so.conf differ on them? |
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| [05:43:02] | Gumby: | ah weird. I just installed some deps that apt-get build-dep failed to install and now lirc support says "yes". Yet nothing I installed had anything to do with lirc |
| [05:43:34] | sphery: | probably just needed an ldconfig |
| [05:43:34] | Gumby: | compiling now :) |
| [05:43:59] | sphery: | which happened with the install of unrelated libs |
| [05:44:27] | Gumby: | d'oh. FAIL!! |
| [05:44:59] | Gumby: | applying patch 24_fix_h264_frame_counting to ./ ... failed. |
| [05:44:59] | Gumby: | make: *** [patch-stamp] Error 1 |
| [05:46:05] | jpabq: | iamlindoro__, you tried VDPAU with the Dark Knight yet? |
| [05:47:41] | iamlindoro__: | jpabq, Haven't even tried ripping it yet, I've been swamped and going out of town this weekend |
| [05:47:56] | iamlindoro__: | jpabq, Couldn't resist watching it, but from disk |
| [05:48:29] | jpabq: | I didn't see it in the theater, so will probably rent it before buying. |
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| [05:49:15] | iamlindoro__: | jpabq, It's probably the best movie I saw this year |
| [05:50:03] | jpabq: | I am still giddy over the blu-ray picture/sound experience. Been a while since I have REALLY enjoyed the "experience" of watching a movie. |
| [05:51:05] | iamlindoro__: | jpabq, Yeah, I like it a lot too. Not this weekend, but next I plan to tackle 24p |
| [05:51:13] | iamlindoro__: | and possibly test that patch |
| [05:51:39] | jpabq: | I have been using 24p from my panasonic. I have not watching anything yet via myth. |
| [05:52:38] | jpabq: | I had forgotten how annoying all the FBI warning are. It would be nice to be able to skip those. |
| [05:53:03] | iamlindoro__: | jpabq, yeah, aside from Dark Knight and Firefly, haven't seen those on my blu ray stuff :) |
| [05:53:56] | iamlindoro__: | Still waiting on the AnyDVD HD Firefly fix, sigh |
| [05:54:05] | jpabq: | pretty bad when they feel like that have to give the FBI warning in half a dozen languages, with 10 seconds each, so you have time to read it..... |
| [05:54:41] | iamlindoro__: | I just make popcorn |
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| [05:54:50] | Gumby: | it looks like my frontend/slave backend seem to think it has "encoder 10" connected to it however the database says encoder 15. I've tried deleting adn re-adding the card but it still thinks it has "encoder 10" anyone have any suggestions? |
| [05:54:54] | Gumby: | 2008-12–03 21:51:40.882 MainServer: HandleRemoteEncoder(cmd IS_BUSY) Unknown encoder: 10 |
| [05:55:59] | iamlindoro__: | jpabq, Oh, and TDK is far and away the best picture I have seen on Blu |
| [05:56:08] | jpabq: | Hmmm |
| [05:56:23] | Gumby: | hrm. it cant see my other mythboxes either. something isnt right here. ARGH! |
| [05:56:28] | iamlindoro__: | jpabq, So far and away better that it's like the first film I feel like they've gotten the hang of the mastering |
| [05:57:04] | iamlindoro__: | jpabq, I *do* want to see the bitrate to know what the secret is, but it may just have been the filming at 6k and IMAX |
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| [05:58:02] | jpabq: | So wait, The CW cancels one of the best shows on TV (Veronica Mars), replaces it with pure junk (The Reaper), and actually gives that junk a second season? Sad. |
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| [06:06:24] | iamlindoro__: | VDPAU is showing me Victoria's Secret models. |
| [06:06:31] | arodd: | lols |
| [06:06:42] | arodd: | was just watching that to test the new mplayer vdpau patch |
| [06:06:47] | arodd: | myth recorded it for me earlier ;) |
| [06:07:06] | iamlindoro__: | Myth's fixes for MPEG-2 improve it greatly |
| [06:07:08] | arodd: | mpeg2 still has some weird vertical liney issues that are apparent on faces |
| [06:07:13] | arodd: | this is via mplayer |
| [06:07:33] | arodd: | but you can tell that it has improved |
| [06:07:38] | iamlindoro__: | yes, look at today's commits to myth |
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| [06:07:48] | iamlindoro__: | you can apply the same fix to libavcodec in mplayer |
| [06:08:03] | arodd: | in nvnews he stated they already had? |
| [06:08:20] | arodd: | maybe that's in a yet to be released mplayer patch |
| [06:08:20] | iamlindoro__: | to their next release. |
| [06:08:28] | arodd: | yeah |
| [06:08:31] | iamlindoro__: | It is not in any current patch set. |
| [06:08:33] | arodd: | i'm on the 11/26 patch I think |
| [06:08:56] | iamlindoro__: | Which is the last |
| [06:09:26] | arodd: | may have to diff it out then |
| [06:09:39] | iamlindoro__: | It's just four lines, cut and paste |
| [06:09:43] | arodd: | ahh |
| [06:09:51] | arodd: | trac # handy? |
| [06:10:08] | iamlindoro__: | Just look at the commit log, it's from today |
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| [06:12:10] | arodd: | ahh http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/19227#file0 |
| [06:12:17] | arodd: | sweet |
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| [06:23:05] | arodd: | going to have to setup distcc....lol |
| [06:23:22] | arodd: | after leaving gentoo I forgot how long stuff takes to compile |
| [06:23:55] | wagnerrp: | what machine? |
| [06:24:15] | arodd: | it's a pentium-m desktop |
| [06:24:25] | wagnerrp: | speed? |
| [06:24:31] | arodd: | 2.0ghz |
| [06:24:39] | arodd: | it's not really THAT slow |
| [06:24:43] | arodd: | but i'm impatent |
| [06:25:04] | arodd: | impatient* But yeah those 4 lines of code made a night/days difference in the rendering quality of mpeg2 |
| [06:25:10] | wagnerrp: | that might be half an hour |
| [06:25:20] | arodd: | it's on par with the ps3 now |
| [06:25:39] | arodd: | now to wait for vsync and we should be golden |
| [06:25:59] | iamlindoro__: | it'll likely be in myth before it's in mplayer |
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| [06:26:08] | arodd: | good to know |
| [06:26:21] | iamlindoro__: | Totally my own theory, mind you |
| [06:26:24] | arodd: | then i won't need to re-transcode my videos ;) just have mythfrontend autoskip |
| [06:26:47] | arodd: | myth devs have been on the ball with it so far |
| [06:26:49] | iamlindoro__: | but ffmpeg devs are too busy being douchebags to put any effort into the VDPAU stuff, and myth devs are actively working on it, sooo |
| [06:27:18] | iamlindoro__: | They'd rather have an e-mail roast ripping patches apart than apply any |
| [06:29:22] | arodd: | the wonders of unpaid coders |
| [06:29:31] | arodd: | some are great |
| [06:29:35] | arodd: | others are nitpicky |
| [06:29:57] | sphery: | Gumby: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 |
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| [06:32:58] | sphery: | iamlindoro__: "VDPAU test suite"??? Why do you need to know if VDPAU is working on your card if you're not going to update ffmpeg or MPlayer or Myth to use it? As a matter of fact, why would you even install beta drivers if you're not going to use VDPAU? |
| [06:33:14] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, Heh, saw that |
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| [06:33:34] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, And another "I bought this 256 MB card for VDPAU...." remark |
| [06:34:07] | iamlindoro__: | "I found this in a dumpster. Why doesn't it work with an unfinished alpha quality feature in my beta drivers on this prerelease copy of myth?" |
| [06:34:08] | sphery: | heh, I quit reading most of the VDPAU card threads |
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| [06:34:18] | analogue1: | yo |
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| [06:34:46] | analogue1: | can anyone shed some light on how to create a 'proper' chainid (for a mythtv client) |
| [06:35:09] | sphery: | libs/libmythtv/livetvchain.cpp |
| [06:35:23] | analogue1: | tnx |
| [06:35:57] | ** iamlindoro__ wonders what this client will do that can't be done by improving the existing one ** | |
| [06:36:23] | sphery: | analogue1: That's probably the best reference... It's not really documented anywhere. |
| [06:36:29] | sphery: | what kind of client? |
| [06:37:17] | sphery: | (also, I have to admit I first read that as "chanid", thinking it was a much less technical question, which is why I was so quick to bring you to -users :) |
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| [06:37:50] | analogue1: | python client embedded in xbmc |
| [06:37:58] | sphery: | Oh. |
| [06:38:11] | sphery: | are you using the python bindings at all? |
| [06:38:21] | sphery: | have you considered using (and improving) them? |
| [06:38:26] | analogue1: | nope..the python bindings are pretty sparse |
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| [06:38:44] | sphery: | yep, therefore, a great way for you to contribute to 2 projects! :) |
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| [06:39:03] | analogue1: | i actually took the abandoned xbox mythtvclient and an pretty much rewriting it cause the code aint too pretty |
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| [06:39:33] | sphery: | basically any code you write that doesn't go into the bindings is code that the next person who's writing some kind of python-based client/script/whatever will have to re-write... |
| [06:39:57] | analogue1: | actually, i'm rewriting with standalone python mythtv client lib in mind. clean separation between ui and backend AAPI |
| [06:41:44] | sphery: | cool |
| [06:42:06] | Gumby: | does anyone know if there is an application out there that will show me what lircd is picking up from my remote? |
| [06:42:19] | analogue1: | hopefully, will see the light of day once i get through refactoring the pile of mess |
| [06:42:22] | analogue1: | irw |
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| [06:44:05] | Gumby: | thanks analogue1. I always forget that one |
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| [07:05:15] | RyeBrye: | http://arstechnica.com/guides/buyer/guide-200812-htpc.ars |
| [07:05:29] | RyeBrye: | Good article, but a shame the guy doesn't even seem aware of VDPAU |
| [07:06:22] | RyeBrye: | http://arstechnica.com/guides/buyer/guide-200812-htpc.ars/1 is page one of it |
| [07:07:21] | RyeBrye: | "the lack of high-definition acceleration support from Intel (Clear Video), AMD (UVD), and NVIDIA (Pure Video) means that you have to use a considerably more powerful processor to play back HD than you do in Windows. Such acceleration under Linux is coming soon since the last update, but only AMD has made any serious headway so far." (he links to a VAAPI or UVD article – but no VDPAU links) |
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| [07:38:47] | AndyCap: | "support 8-channel LPCM and actually work." This is obviously some new meaning of support that I'm not familiar with. :) |
| [07:41:35] | RyeBrye: | I emailed him about the VDPAU omission, he made it sound like it was some kind of thing that came out of the blue (which I believe) – but I can't see how they couldn't have updated the article before it went live Monday with it |
| [07:41:47] | RyeBrye: | it's not like they are a print magazine |
| [07:42:39] | RyeBrye: | also, he makes it sound almost like the software is a commodity – i.e. just use whichever one you want (windows media center, myth, sage, beyondTV... whatever) – but that's certainly not the case |
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| [07:56:52] | AndyCap: | Mm. though vdpau isn't quite common knowledge just yet. but you should bother to find it when writing a media center article for ars |
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| [08:54:45] | wagnerrp: | especially when it made big news 2 weeks before the article |
| [08:55:15] | wagnerrp: | search for 'video decode acceleration', and it should come up fairly quick |
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| [09:10:27] | jblack: | Ars isn't doing as complete a job as they used to. |
| [09:30:14] | wagnerrp: | their 'heavy duty backend' only has four slots |
| [09:30:38] | wagnerrp: | one x16, two x1, one pci |
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| [09:56:23] | sid3windr: | ouch |
| [09:56:31] | sid3windr: | methinks you want more pci :> |
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| [10:34:31] | Chicago: | I need a new video card to playback HD from this HD Homerun. My CPUs aren't cutting it. |
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| [11:45:35] | sege: | my imdb.pl wont get me rating/plot anymore, using the svn version it's missing some perl files. Any solution? |
| [11:47:09] | directhex: | imdb.pl is dead |
| [11:47:31] | sege: | hmm, dead? that's bad. |
| [11:48:15] | sege: | what's the replacement? nothing? |
| [11:49:34] | sege: | imdbpy? |
| [11:51:18] | sid3windr: | mmm, pie. |
| [11:55:39] | directhex: | sege, a different content provider. imdb dislike screen scrapers |
| [11:57:41] | sege: | suggestion? how do i get movie meta data into mythtv with typing everything myself? |
| [12:01:29] | directhex: | you're running svn, so you've been reading the development lists. so use the replacement detailed in there. |
| [12:02:50] | sege: | no, i'm not running svn. |
| [12:02:55] | sege: | i tested imdb.pl from svn |
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| [12:25:32] | GregFrost: | does anyone have this working: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php?title=Fe . . . level_script |
| [12:25:56] | GregFrost: | after following the steps, i cant add videos to mythvideo |
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| [14:24:56] | dustybin: | would a NTSC DVD play ok on a UK PAL Television? |
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| [14:25:49] | gbee: | depends if the DVD player is region free, supports NTSC and whether the tv does the same |
| [14:26:05] | dustybin: | the DVD player is region free |
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| [14:27:12] | dustybin: | NTSC = 648 x 486 PAL = 720 x 576 |
| [14:27:26] | dustybin: | bloody heck, quite a difference |
| [14:27:29] | dustybin: | PAL FTW |
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| [14:31:04] | Chicago: | HD homerun fails to get a channel lock on OTA ATSC... but show signal strength 99% or 100% on some channels. |
| [14:31:11] | Chicago: | Anybody run into this and know howto fix it? |
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| [14:53:15] | uz: | Howdoyoudo All) |
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| [14:53:49] | uz: | I have one question, may i ask it? |
| [14:55:34] | ** gbee chuckles ** | |
| [14:55:44] | jams: | uz if it's about mythtv go ahead and ask, if somebody knows the answer you will get an answer |
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| [14:58:04] | shadash: | is 800x600 resolution able to display 1080i correctly on a 16:9 plasma tv? |
| [14:58:26] | Chicago: | If you don't use the same resolution for the GUI as you do for playback. |
| [14:59:35] | directhex: | shadash, that's a wind-up, right? |
| [15:00:04] | shadash: | no it's an ati rage xl (it's the ONLY card that I can put in my system) |
| [15:00:24] | directhex: | shadash, which number is bigger: 1920, or 800? |
| [15:00:36] | ** gbee flips a coin ** | |
| [15:00:57] | shadash: | the most it can do is 832x624 16colors in 3d |
| [15:01:08] | directhex: | that doesn't answer the question asked. |
| [15:01:17] | directhex: | <directhex> shadash, which number is bigger: 1920, or 800? |
| [15:01:18] | shadash: | in that past I've always used nvidia cards |
| [15:01:24] | shadash: | 1920 |
| [15:01:47] | directhex: | then no, you can't display 1920x1080 "correctly" when running 800x600 |
| [15:01:55] | shadash: | and could set the resolution to whatever I want in xorg.conf |
| [15:02:19] | uz: | I have tested MythTV on Ubuntu HH i386 and found it suited well for my needs, but Ubuntu HH amd64 seems to be bad guy:-( after channel scanning none of found channels could be viewed except 3 or 4 from more than 40-ty... Could this situation have had place theoretically and in practice of cause ) |
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| [15:02:42] | gbee: | The Rage XL is what 15, 18? year old tech |
| [15:02:56] | shadash: | directhex: could I set a modeline to make 1080i display in 800x600 |
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| [15:03:08] | shadash: | gbee: I know it is but it's my ONLY solution |
| [15:03:24] | directhex: | shadash, can you make a modeline do it? no, no you can't |
| [15:03:39] | shadash: | sigh... |
| [15:03:42] | directhex: | shadash, you have 1080 pixels to display. you have 600 pixels. make it work. |
| [15:04:04] | gbee: | mythtv will scale, but don't expect it to be pretty |
| [15:04:07] | shadash: | I thought I had some kind of a solution |
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| [15:04:37] | shadash: | scaling down doesn't look very good? |
| [15:05:02] | directhex: | now when you're slashing the resolution, and also stretching the image |
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| [15:05:17] | uz: | it depend on engine of scaling) |
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| [15:05:35] | gbee: | shadash: well it's scaling down then the TV is scaling back up again |
| [15:05:42] | directhex: | uz, a critical factor is the 16:9 -> 4:3 -> 16:9 conversion |
| [15:06:02] | shadash: | so is there any way to display 1080i on 800x600? And will it look good at all? |
| [15:06:24] | directhex: | can you display files which are 1920x1080? yes |
| [15:06:37] | directhex: | can you display 1920x1080? no, you just said you have 800x600 |
| [15:06:43] | dustybin: | is it possible to output SD video > DVI > into a dedicated scaler box > 1080P plasma |
| [15:06:46] | shadash: | I've got all the ram I need + cpu power it's just the stupid video limitation |
| [15:07:15] | directhex: | shadash, you have no video card slots? this thing is new enoguh for HD? |
| [15:07:39] | shadash: | 2.4ghz 4gb of ram |
| [15:07:58] | shadash: | no agp and 1 mini-pci slot |
| [15:08:06] | tank-man: | directhex, can you help me next? i want stereo sound with only one speaker :) |
| [15:08:07] | shadash: | sis onboard video |
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| [15:08:35] | directhex: | tank-man, plenty of companies will sell you "virtual surround" |
| [15:08:42] | shadash: | It's just annoying I have a system that works and the only limitation is video |
| [15:08:43] | tank-man: | is this a laptop shadash? |
| [15:09:40] | shadash: | http://usa.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=2 . . . 2=4&l3=0 |
| [15:10:02] | shadash: | http://people.easter-eggs.org/~yack/digimatrix/ |
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| [15:10:40] | XLV: | shadash, the multipin din connector of that thing should be able to produce component out with the rigth dongle |
| [15:10:45] | ]Oscar: | hi |
| [15:10:48] | uz: | Well Can AnyOne Say Me Does i386 Build Differ from Amd64 Build in Ubuntu? |
| [15:11:32] | XLV: | shadash, and it has also vga and dvi, why not use dvi to hdmi to connect the hd tv to it, or if thats not possible, multipin din to component |
| [15:11:42] | shadash: | one is for a 32bit cpu and the other is for a 64bit cpu |
| [15:11:45] | XLV: | shadash, 1 x HDTV/S-Video (TV Out) |
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| [15:12:13] | shadash: | yea but the sis driver doesn't do 3d |
| [15:12:18] | uz: | shdash You Are Welcome) |
| [15:12:28] | uz: | shadash, sorry |
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| [15:12:41] | gbee: | shadash: you might want to explain why that's a problem for a mythtv frontend |
| [15:12:45] | shadash: | the sis driver does do Xv |
| [15:13:04] | shadash: | I like the pretty colors in visuals |
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| [15:13:33] | shadash: | and I like the myth-interface to be 3d so it looks smoother |
| [15:13:58] | shadash: | and I want to play roms in 3d |
| [15:14:14] | shadash: | so just a bunch of little things |
| [15:14:21] | XLV: | then you need to get a new htpc, and dump this one |
| [15:14:32] | shadash: | :-( that costs $$$ |
| [15:14:43] | shadash: | I can afford but... sigh... |
| [15:14:54] | dustybin: | if your television broadcast is mainly SDTV, like here in UK, and you have a LCD what has excellent upscaler chipset. am i right in thinking that instead of matching the native high res of the display, you should match to a res what is closest to the SD resolution, and let the TV do the upscaling rather than letting mythtv do it? |
| [15:14:58] | XLV: | then dont want all those things, untill you get the dough to want them |
| [15:15:27] | shadash: | f%cking sis |
| [15:15:34] | gbee: | shadash: I appreciate the desire and frustration that comes with trying to make the best of the hardware you have, but there comes a point where you have to recognise that you've painted yourself into a corner and the only way out is to knock through the wall |
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| [15:15:52] | shadash: | ya ya I know |
| [15:16:33] | shadash: | my final solution might be to create a mini-pci to pci adaptor |
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| [15:16:57] | shadash: | I think all the pins are the same just different sizes |
| [15:17:43] | shadash: | then throw an nvidia pci card in and have a decent solution |
| [15:19:00] | XLV: | yeah.. you'd be able to solder some wires together, and think that a 32bit 33MHz parallel bus will work that way.. |
| [15:19:19] | uz: | shadash, I would not be so much sure, but nevertheless it's not my business though |
| [15:19:33] | XLV: | you'll have crosstalk, signal skew etc etc |
| [15:19:59] | uz: | bb |
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| [15:20:10] | shadash: | thanks for all the input |
| [15:20:56] | Chicago: | Channel lock on HD Homerun with new antenna over ATSC doesn't work. |
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| [15:24:41] | shadash: | http://www.interfacemasters.com/products/im300.html There's a solution :-) |
| [15:25:36] | shadash: | http://www.interfacemasters.com/products/im380.html even better! WooHoo! |
| [15:26:47] | XLV: | shadash, yeah.. and now check their prices |
| [15:27:02] | shadash: | I'm afraid to ask |
| [15:27:55] | shadash: | they're up in San Jose so I'll call later today. Can't be more than $100 |
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| [15:40:27] | _abbenormal: | cd .. |
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| [17:17:20] | sphery: | Hip, hip, hooray!!! Canon won appeal on the SED sub-licensing patent dispute with Applied Nanotech, and Applied Nanotech announced it's not going to pursue the suit. |
| [17:17:59] | sphery: | Now I just need to make my existing DLP last until SED's are available. |
| [17:19:49] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: They've also more or less said they'd be stupid to introduce new display technology in this economy |
| [17:19:57] | iamlindoro_: | so they're not even going to try for now |
| [17:19:59] | sphery: | Yeah. That's the one issue. |
| [17:20:30] | sphery: | So, I'll just have to figure out a way to solve the US/global economic issues so I can get the TV of my dreams... |
| [17:20:59] | iamlindoro_: | Heh, by the time the economy turns around there will probably be a couple of new "dream" display technologies |
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| [17:22:42] | sphery: | The only one I can see on the horizon that would beat SED is NED (which is basically SED done right--but requiring nonexistant technology to manufacture--so I'd be happy with that, too). If the economic issues drag on long enough that there are actually new/as-yet-uninvented techs out there, I guess the TV will be the least of my problems. |
| [17:23:06] | iamlindoro_: | sigh, trying to get results on the ffmpeg dev list is like wrestling with a greased electric eel |
| [17:23:08] | sphery: | I don't care for OLED--even if they figure out how to make it work. :) |
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| [17:23:29] | sphery: | did you notice all the people talking about 256MB cards "working" on the list? |
| [17:23:55] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: better put those quotation marks in bigger font, I'm not sure I want that kind of "working" on my system |
| [17:24:04] | sphery: | latest batch seem to indicate that "it works in MPlayer, but not in Myth" or "it works for 720p, but not for 1080i/p" |
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| [17:24:39] | sphery: | I'm wondering if there's any kind of caching of UI theme graphics happening in video RAM... |
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| [17:25:09] | sphery: | (Of course, though, on the -users list, it will just be, "Well, obviously, MPlayer is a better program because it works and Myth sucks because it doesn't.") |
| [17:25:29] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: I think we complicate matters substantially by having working deinterlace and OSD |
| [17:26:26] | sphery: | The really annoying thing is that /no one/ is giving any kind of information which would make it easier to identify why 256MB only works sometimes (i.e. ThemePainter, UI Theme, OSDTheme, ...) |
| [17:26:27] | GreyFoxx: | the OSD looks really nice with too |
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| [17:26:49] | GreyFoxx: | One thing I found that helped me was switching regular menu painters from OpenGL to QT |
| [17:26:54] | GreyFoxx: | Make a huge difference |
| [17:27:17] | GreyFoxx: | qith the OpenGL painter my startup on a lot of videos either failed or was all green |
| [17:27:24] | GreyFoxx: | more mostly shaded green |
| [17:27:37] | GreyFoxx: | but with the QT painter that hasn't been a problem |
| [17:27:57] | GreyFoxx: | so some of the pople having problems should check that |
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| [17:29:00] | sphery: | Yeah, though, IMHO, most of the people who are playing with it/having problems should just wait a bit (i.e. are in over their heads). |
| [17:29:10] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [17:29:18] | sphery: | you and iamlindoro_ not included, there |
| [17:29:23] | ** jams puts the new card back in the box... ** | |
| [17:29:32] | GreyFoxx: | one thing that will make a lot of most peoples problems will be if the driver starts to support more than 4 reference frames |
| [17:29:33] | sphery: | actually, I think you'll be fine, too |
| [17:29:39] | iamlindoro_: | Oh I might be over my head, I just know better than to bitch about things not working ;) |
| [17:29:46] | GreyFoxx: | since many apps, and docs for stuff like mencoder recommend using 5/6 |
| [17:30:10] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: I think anyone who starts making patches for playback/decoding can't claim to be in over his head |
| [17:30:27] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: It's irritating to see all the people being self-righteous about it not working while simultaneously brazenly mentioning that it's downloaded/stolen |
| [17:30:37] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Bah, my hacking doesn't count ;) |
| [17:31:09] | iamlindoro_: | The "This is useless if it doesn't support my downloaded blu-ray rip MKVs" BS really raises my blood pressure |
| [17:31:09] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [17:31:09] | clever: | iamlindoro_: i had no trouble with my unmentionable 264 files on the quadro card |
| [17:31:11] | sphery: | well, you're beyond me for hacking--I haven't touched any of the playback stuff. |
| [17:31:40] | sphery: | clever: please don't mention them, even by calling them unmentionable |
| [17:31:42] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: Most people I've seen who mentioned the source of their material were very humble :) I must have missed what you are seeing |
| [17:31:43] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Don't say that, you're embarrassing me, you would put me to shame on that stuff, |
| [17:31:50] | GreyFoxx: | though I've skipped alot of the -users stuff |
| [17:31:53] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: one or two on nvnews |
| [17:31:54] | jams: | sphery- well either way the card should stay in the box for a bit. Need to let it warm up from being outside(it was just delivered 5 minutes ago). |
| [17:31:56] | GreyFoxx: | ahh |
| [17:32:15] | clever: | sphery: though i didnt get to play with much of anything for long, the SD card that / was on started to crap out |
| [17:32:25] | iamlindoro_: | Anyway, FWIW I don't have a single *legit* blu ray file that doesn't play perfectly in VDPAU |
| [17:32:31] | sphery: | jams: oh, the obligatory warming-up period... The hardest part of getting a new toy. |
| [17:32:34] | iamlindoro_: | which is clearly the real target for that technology |
| [17:32:59] | laga: | sphery: order them during summer |
| [17:33:02] | jams: | sphery- yep, but with the timing of your comment I couldn't pass it up. |
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| [17:33:40] | sphery: | laga: or just live where I do--in Florida :) |
| [17:33:54] | laga: | meh |
| [17:33:55] | laga: | ;) |
| [17:33:58] | ** iamlindoro_ watches sphery's Mythbox fly by in a hurricane ** | |
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| [17:34:33] | sphery: | Though I have to admit that I haven't done anything with the 1.5TB HDD that was delivered 2 days ago... I looked at it and realized that it (like one of my others) is the rev/firmware version that has the "lock-up I/O" issues. |
| [17:34:47] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: Here there is only like 3 VDPAU threads on there I actually follow :) |
| [17:34:48] | sphery: | I'm trying to decide whether to call Seagate to get the firmware update or not... |
| [17:34:49] | ** iamlindoro_ points at sphery and laughs ** | |
| [17:35:03] | sphery: | what do you think of updating firmware on a HDD? |
| [17:35:07] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: All of the users ones have been useless all week |
| [17:36:35] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showpost.php? . . . ostcount=218 |
| [17:36:44] | GreyFoxx: | One thing that would be nice is if we detect that a video has too many reference frames, or some other "outside of spec" probem, it auto jump back to software |
| [17:36:53] | dustybin: | mmmm perfect http://www.ebuyer.com/product/132310 |
| [17:37:11] | jams: | sphery- i do it all the time, just not on "consumer" drives. |
| [17:37:32] | GreyFoxx: | I've got one I made via mencoder, using their suggested settings which repeats the same frames over and over with every second or so a "new" frame entering the mix |
| [17:37:38] | sphery: | hmmm... Guess I could call, get the firmware, then sweat the decision. |
| [17:37:41] | GreyFoxx: | but it was 6 reference frames |
| [17:37:54] | GreyFoxx: | If the hardware/driver can handle it that would be nice heh |
| [17:38:18] | jams: | sphery- might as well try one, i'm sure they wil replace it if things go bad. |
| [17:38:46] | sphery: | good point... and since I have one completely empty HDD (the new one) |
| [17:38:59] | sphery: | You don't have to clean stuff off the HDD to upgrade, do you? |
| [17:39:09] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: I've been reading that thread, missed that post |
| [17:39:12] | sphery: | (though I guess for data safety, it probably makes sense) |
| [17:43:08] | GreyFoxx: | That's the problem with these bigger and bigger drives |
| [17:43:22] | GreyFoxx: | read/write speeds are not keeping up with drive size |
| [17:43:28] | sphery: | yeah, copying 1TB of data or so takes /forever/ |
| [17:43:55] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [17:44:19] | sphery: | I guess if I just bought working (WD Green) HDD's, though, it wouldn't be as big an issue... Right, iamlindoro_ ? |
| [17:44:53] | sphery: | stupid Ctrl-Q right next to Ctrl-W |
| [17:45:42] | sphery: | just lost a lot of Firefox windows with a lot of stuff I was reading |
| [17:47:13] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Correct |
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| [17:49:15] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: I keep closing tabs in safari by switching between nano (where search is ctrl-w) and ffow |
| [17:49:16] | iamlindoro_: | er ffox |
| [17:49:27] | iamlindoro_: | gah, s/safari/firefox/ |
| [17:49:50] | sphery: | ctrl-w for search seems weird |
| [17:50:21] | iamlindoro_: | *shrugs* |
| [17:50:39] | sphery: | Though I /hate/ that Firefox (especially FF3) is forcing Windows keys/behaviors on all platforms. The whole "let's just change the direction of Ctrl-Scroll Wheel to match Internet Explorer, even though they've always had it backwards." |
| [17:50:43] | sphery: | grrrr |
| [17:50:45] | iamlindoro_: | I'm sure I'll hear all sorts of BS about how I should be using vi/emacs/whatever, but nano works for me |
| [17:51:08] | sphery: | I guess Ctrl-W makes sense from a "find word" perspective... |
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| [17:56:46] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: so an item from my sales order (1.5TB Seagate HDD) "has been nominated for a Newegg Customer Choice Award", so it must not be that bad (other than the fact that it causes I/O lockups) |
| [17:57:10] | iamlindoro_: | I'm sure it's great outside of that little thing |
| [17:57:11] | sphery: | After all, who knows technology better than newegg customers |
| [17:57:30] | iamlindoro_: | Absolutely-- just look at how many of them rate their technical level as extremely high! |
| [17:58:00] | sphery: | yeah, and make comments that are so advanced I can't understand them--like about that 64-bit graphics card |
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| [17:58:31] | iamlindoro_: | ugh! |
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| [18:10:03] | _abbenormal: | hey guys |
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| [18:11:01] | sphery: | hey |
| [18:11:31] | iamlindoro_: | hola _abbenormal |
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| [18:21:59] | sphery: | That was painless for a call to customer support... 5 minutes--most of which was telling the guy my name/contact info. |
| [18:22:23] | sphery: | Took longer to write down the S/N, etc. from the HDD's before the call. |
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| [18:33:33] | iamlindoro_: | The ISO is making me insane-- trying to buy like eleventy-billion swiss francs worth of documents and their credit card verification is BROKEN |
| [18:34:35] | sphery: | I'm guessing this is for work (or you're really contributing more than your share for the whole Myth thing). |
| [18:34:39] | laga: | does it keep telling your that your CC is stolen? ;) |
| [18:35:18] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Yes, for work |
| [18:35:30] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: if you disable sending the Referer header in your browser, that can cause credit card stuff (written by clueless devs who think that client-generated data is useful for security) to fail |
| [18:35:36] | iamlindoro_: | Although how it became MY job to chase down regulatory documents I don't know |
| [18:35:57] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: You were too slow to say it was someone else's responsibility, dummbass. |
| [18:36:07] | Dagmar: | That's _exactly_ how that happens. |
| [18:36:49] | iamlindoro_: | This isn't the right economy to remind people what is and isn't your job |
| [18:36:52] | ** Dagmar lights a candle ** | |
| [18:38:25] | sphery: | seems it's not the right economy to introduce displays based on a very good technology, either |
| [18:38:56] | sphery: | (but I can promise Canon that I would buy one if they released one at the size I want) |
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| [18:44:38] | Dagmar: | 8' diagonal? |
| [18:45:18] | iamlindoro_: | My screen is 9'+ diagonal :) |
| [18:46:27] | Dagmar: | Yeah, but what's the cost-per-hour for running it? |
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| [18:46:41] | XLV: | sphery, what canon display? and what tech? |
| [18:47:05] | iamlindoro_: | Dagmar: a dime or so |
| [18:48:23] | Dagmar: | Is someone else paying for your bulbs? |
| [18:50:47] | iamlindoro_: | Dagmar: 5000 hour bulb, $220 or so |
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| [18:53:46] | wagnerrp: | awesome... python 3 came out... intentionally incompatible |
| [18:53:56] | Dagmar: | Not bad, although I'm suprised to see something listed as a 5,000-hour bulb |
| [18:55:27] | shadash: | http://www.globalamericaninc.com/p1800010/180 . . . ct_info.html I found a mini-pci to pci adaptor card but it's $261.16 :-( |
| [18:55:41] | wagnerrp: | why do you need one? |
| [18:55:58] | shadash: | long story I just to to get decent graphics |
| [18:56:16] | shadash: | sigh... |
| [18:56:23] | wagnerrp: | oh! this is backwards |
| [18:56:31] | clever: | just found out where half my space is gone |
| [18:56:32] | wagnerrp: | ive not seen one of these before |
| [18:56:48] | clever: | theres 9gig in the build dir for ubuntu 6.06 |
| [18:56:52] | clever: | which im not even running anymore |
| [18:58:17] | iamlindoro_: | Dagmar: 5000 on the low power setting, 3000 on the standard |
| [18:58:22] | wagnerrp: | 9gb should not hurt anything |
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| [18:58:56] | wagnerrp: | i have a friend whose bulb recently burned out a few months ago |
| [18:59:36] | wagnerrp: | ran the TV hard getting it to fail before the warranty |
| [18:59:55] | clever: | what package is qmake(for qt4) in debian etch? |
| [19:00:06] | clever: | it doesnt seem to be in qt4-dev-tools |
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| [19:03:52] | clever: | ahhhhhh! |
| [19:04:05] | clever: | theres 8gig worth of core dumps in my 6.06 build dir |
| [19:04:07] | clever: | -rw------- 1 mythtv mythtv 39M 2008-03–28 02:44 core.mythshutdown.24709 |
| [19:04:10] | clever: | x100 |
| [19:04:29] | wagnerrp: | sounds like a lot of crashes |
| [19:04:42] | clever: | mythshutdown runs every minute inside mythwelcome |
| [19:04:52] | clever: | so a simple one time crash gets blindly repeated for weeks |
| [19:05:08] | clever: | now i suddenly go from 1gig free to 9gig |
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| [19:05:29] | clever: | plenty of room now:) |
| [19:05:52] | clever: | but that still puts over 5gig for the build+prefix+roots |
| [19:07:11] | clever: | once i get mythtv compiled for etch i'll get to work on trimming my /'s |
| [19:07:56] | clever: | 2.0G sharedbuilds/7.10/ |
| [19:08:07] | clever: | that doesnt make much sense, its double the 6.06 build dir... |
| [19:08:21] | XLV: | shadash, have you decided to get a new htpc or not yet? |
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| [19:09:17] | shadash: | :-/ |
| [19:09:53] | sphery: | XLV: SED technology. Canon just won the appeal on the Nano Proprietary patent lawsuit and Nano isn't pursuing it further. |
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| [19:10:24] | sphery: | but they said the current economic climate isn't right for releasing a displayed based on a new technology |
| [19:10:39] | sphery: | (which, funny enough, is not that new, but has been held up in litigation for a few years) |
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| [19:12:09] | gustave_: | can anyone ID what is the matter in the make? |
| [19:12:11] | gustave_: | http://pastebin.com/m11bac1ae |
| [19:12:29] | gustave_: | latest trunk on Fedora 10 |
| [19:12:59] | wagnerrp: | internal compiler error |
| [19:13:03] | wagnerrp: | thats bad juju |
| [19:13:08] | gustave_: | like a gcc error? |
| [19:13:20] | gustave_: | it was working fine with Fedora 9 |
| [19:13:28] | sphery: | gustave_: "trunk make error. Worth a ticket?" on -dev |
| [19:13:41] | sphery: | you are reading -dev and -commits, since you're using trunk, right? |
| [19:13:42] | gustave_: | just upgraded to 10 and now this. Yes, thats me |
| [19:13:48] | gustave_: | I am yup |
| [19:13:53] | wagnerrp: | sphery: trunk had no part in his error |
| [19:13:58] | gustave_: | I have seen nothing related |
| [19:14:00] | sphery: | there isn't a solution, yet, though |
| [19:14:12] | sphery: | exact same issue in that thread |
| [19:14:21] | gustave_: | sphery: Sorry, what do you mean |
| [19:14:39] | gustave_: | that thread on the mail list is me |
| [19:14:42] | wagnerrp: | a compiler segfault caused by the code? |
| [19:14:50] | sphery: | oh, that explains why it's the exact same issue |
| [19:14:55] | gustave_: | yes. |
| [19:15:00] | wagnerrp: | usually compiler faults are caused by failing hardware |
| [19:15:02] | sphery: | It's likely a problem with the processor opts |
| [19:15:07] | sphery: | what configure line are you using? |
| [19:15:25] | gustave_: | ./configure --prefix=/usr/local --enable-opengl-video --enable-opengl-vsync --enable-dvb --enable-libfaad --enable-proc-opt |
| [19:15:38] | gustave_: | I have also tried it without the --enable-proc-opt |
| [19:15:42] | gustave_: | same result |
| [19:15:44] | sphery: | what processor? |
| [19:15:50] | Chutt: | gustave_, if you want to be allowed to post to the lists, you need top stop cross-posting |
| [19:15:53] | gustave_: | c2d 7300 |
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| [19:16:15] | Chutt: | and if gcc is failing, you have an issue that is entirely not related to myth |
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| [19:16:29] | gustave_: | strange |
| [19:16:30] | clever: | wagnerrp: i can only think of 2 times i had the compiler regularly segfault, the 1st was with bad sectors damagging the binarys |
| [19:16:49] | gustave_: | ok |
| [19:16:56] | clever: | wagnerrp: the 2nd was a low batery in the laptop causing (for some reason) only the compiler to get damaged when reading from the disk |
| [19:17:03] | gustave_: | well, that is not good news |
| [19:17:19] | gustave_: | I dont think it is hardware, as I have been using this for a while no probs |
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| [19:17:29] | gustave_: | and now this is happening with Fedora 10 |
| [19:17:38] | gustave_: | so a gcc issue? You think as well? |
| [19:17:40] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i had a friend working on a school project, couldnt figure out why the code wasnt working |
| [19:17:57] | wagnerrp: | turns out he had a faulty motherboard causing compiler errors |
| [19:18:03] | sphery: | gustave_: what do you get from uname -p (please paste the exact answer) |
| [19:18:16] | clever: | wagnerrp: yeah thats weird, some 'faults' are only noticable in the compiler for some reason |
| [19:18:31] | gustave_: | Linux markmyth.gotdns.com 2.6.27.5–117.fc10.i686 #1 SMP Tue Nov 18 12:19:59 EST 2008 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux |
| [19:18:46] | sphery: | -p, not -a, please |
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| [19:19:12] | gustave_: | sorry. i686 |
| [19:19:41] | sphery: | ok, how about: cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep 'model name' |
| [19:20:05] | gustave_: | model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E8400 @ 3.00GHz |
| [19:20:06] | gustave_: | model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E8400 @ 3.00GHz |
| [19:20:33] | sphery: | OK, that's not one of the ones for which the processor detection was just changed. |
| [19:21:04] | gustave_: | ok. You think it is related to proc detect? |
| [19:21:11] | sphery: | not anymore. :) |
| [19:21:15] | gustave_: | ok |
| [19:21:21] | gustave_: | thanks for the help BTW |
| [19:21:35] | gustave_: | if I dont tape 30 rock tonight, I am in deep crap |
| [19:22:05] | clever: | seems like its not posible to build trunk on etch, the qt is too old |
| [19:22:11] | AndyCap: | gustave_: time for cat /dev/video > 30rock.mpg? :P |
| [19:22:17] | sphery: | I'm now leaning toward compiler problems or hardware problems (but someone more knowledgeable will likely figure it out if it's Myth) |
| [19:22:51] | sphery: | did clever just say, "not possible" |
| [19:22:57] | gbee: | gustave_: make distclean ? |
| [19:23:07] | gustave_: | gbee: yes, I have tried that |
| [19:23:11] | clever: | sphery: it comes with qt4.2.1 and mythtv needs 4.3.0 |
| [19:23:12] | gustave_: | same results |
| [19:23:21] | gbee: | it's a compiler error, what version of gcc? |
| [19:23:22] | clever: | sphery: id have to build qt myself, and that took days last time i did it |
| [19:24:28] | gbee: | oh, Chutt already said that |
| [19:24:55] | Chutt: | strange, that |
| [19:24:56] | laga: | clever: it needs 4.3 for mythbrowser AFAIK |
| [19:25:17] | gbee: | :p |
| [19:25:18] | clever: | laga: i had a missing toHex() in QByteArray, near the upnp or http thing |
| [19:25:30] | clever: | laga: and i wasnt even into the plugins, so it sounds unrelated to mythbrowser |
| [19:26:53] | sphery: | laga: Qt 4.4 for MythBrowser, Qt 4.3 for, er, Myth :) |
| [19:27:01] | laga: | sphery: oops. |
| [19:27:26] | clever: | ahh here it is, httprequest.cpp is the source of the fault |
| [19:27:26] | laga: | clever: check backports.org? and hope it doesnt break anything |
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| [19:27:29] | clever: | but i wasnt logging stderr so i cant get the exact message |
| [19:27:43] | clever: | laga: i'll just change $release to 'lenny' |
| [19:27:56] | clever: | i was only using etch because lenny wasnt installing right |
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| [19:28:14] | clever: | the script i made should in theory work identicaly on etch lenny and intrepid |
| [19:28:36] | clever: | lenny is still broken:( |
| [19:28:56] | sphery: | clever: Though the Qt4.4 requirement for MythBrowser exists in mythtv, not mythplugins, because MythBrowser uses a standard mythui widget (where mythui is a mythtv thing, not a MythBrowser thing :). Still, there s a Qt4.3 requirement for Myth itself. |
| [19:29:26] | clever: | sphery: and etch has 4.2 so it doesnt meet any of the requirements |
| [19:30:05] | clever: | 'debootstrap.invalid_dists_lenny_Release' |
| [19:30:06] | clever: | :S |
| [19:30:28] | clever: | that might be my problem |
| [19:30:31] | sphery: | I'm wondering which is worse... People on -users already giving each other advice on whether to buy a 256MB or 512MB NVIDIA graphics card or people on -users giving advice on Windows licensing issues (and suggesting things that MS has claimed to be a violation of the license)... |
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| [19:32:23] | gbee: | slap the lot of them |
| [19:33:20] | sphery: | I think I'll just work on a patch for Myth and ignore the list for a while. :) |
| [19:34:11] | dustybin: | clever: do you have a 8 series nvidia card? |
| [19:34:25] | clever: | dustybin: its a quadro thing |
| [19:34:30] | dustybin: | ok |
| [19:34:31] | wagnerrp: | 8-series equivalent card |
| [19:34:36] | clever: | which i think is a rebranded 8xxx card |
| [19:34:48] | clever: | not shure on the ram, but i can check my log |
| [19:34:52] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: What are the license issues? (not following right now) |
| [19:35:18] | clever: | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Quadro NVS 135M (rev a1) |
| [19:35:23] | clever: | thats all i have in my log |
| [19:36:12] | dustybin: | clever: one day you will be able to play HD on one of your Pentium IIs |
| [19:36:37] | sphery: | basically people saying things like "if you bought a laptop with Windows and replaced Windows with Linux, you can use the Windows license to install Windows to a VM on your (non-laptop) Myth box" and "if your OEM Windows came with a restore disk, not original install media, you can borrow a Windows install disk from someone else to install Windows elsewhere" or ... |
| [19:36:38] | clever: | dustybin: my PII doesnt have a pcie slot, so id have to go with a older version of the nvidia board |
| [19:36:49] | dustybin: | ok |
| [19:36:56] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: wow, nice |
| [19:37:22] | sphery: | clever: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep 'NVIDIA.*Memory' |
| [19:37:23] | clever: | one of my dads work laptops has a win xp cd key on the bottom, and came with win2000 |
| [19:37:45] | clever: | sphery: the /var/log is shared between 4 systems, so the log is probly long gone |
| [19:38:25] | clever: | wait i just remembered |
| [19:38:29] | sphery: | clever: but the guy with the truck in the alley said it was a Windows 2000 system? |
| [19:38:56] | clever: | sphery: its the old work laptop, the company changed it to win2k |
| [19:39:05] | jackson__: | Off topic, but the MS OEM license is tied to the computer that it was sold with. Non transferable to any other machine. |
| [19:39:11] | clever: | and left the xp pro sticker (with key) on the bottom |
| [19:39:27] | laga: | jackson__: i don't think that's true in germany |
| [19:39:40] | sphery: | Yeah, companies get special exemptions because when MS said they had to buy extra copies of Windows if they use Ghost to get identical installs, the companies revolted |
| [19:39:51] | sphery: | I was just joking about the truck in the alley |
| [19:40:05] | clever: | sphery: yeah the installs are all image based, just throw an image on the drive and your done |
| [19:40:21] | clever: | sphery: we also have a spare hdd and bootable usb stick to image the whole thing at home for backup purposes |
| [19:40:36] | sphery: | jackson__: and, yeah, that's definitely true for all consumer purchases of Windows OEM licenses (and the exemption for companies requires special licensing with MS) |
| [19:40:54] | clever: | sphery: the image software(and windows) is also totaly useless |
| [19:41:06] | clever: | sphery: 1 bad sector and windows bluescreens on every boot, and the image software shits itself |
| [19:41:24] | clever: | sphery: using dd_rescue i was able to clone the drive to the 'backup' and then just boot it(without even repairing the damage) |
| [19:41:54] | clever: | it can boot with the files damaged, but it cant boot with an io error |
| [19:42:12] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: BTW, the Windows licensing talk is in your favorite thread, "VDPAU update from the front lines, December 2008" |
| [19:42:28] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: That explains my willful ignoring of it ;) |
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| [19:42:32] | clever: | useless crap:P |
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| [19:44:27] | iamlindoro_: | Yay, now I'm being bitchy on the nvnews forums too |
| [19:44:54] | sphery: | link? |
| [19:45:17] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=124177 |
| [19:45:30] | wagnerrp: | another thread poped up on -users asking for AGP VDPAU cards |
| [19:45:46] | wagnerrp: | apparently they would rather save their PCI bandwidth for additional PVR-250 cards |
| [19:45:55] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: nice response |
| [19:46:02] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: I'm a bastard |
| [19:46:04] | kormoc: | iamlindoro__, he just wanted a different answer, tis all |
| [19:46:23] | sphery: | just another person who's in over his head |
| [19:46:53] | sphery: | the "million eyes" theory of FOSS only works when those eyes are attached to brains... :( |
| [19:46:59] | iamlindoro_: | Ha |
| [19:47:43] | iamlindoro_: | I mean, okay, I can get down with playing with VDPAU when you're not adding anything to development-- it's a new feature and it's fun and cool-- *I* am testing it without adding anything to is. But at least READ everything that comes with it. |
| [19:47:50] | iamlindoro_: | er to it |
| [19:48:43] | sphery: | I'm pretty sure you're adding to it. You're performing requested tests and providing useful feedback. You've also been doing some stream stuff that I didn't understand which may or may not be related to the VDPAU stuff... |
| [19:49:05] | iamlindoro_: | I beg to differ on the latter, but figure I can manage the former ;) |
| [19:49:24] | iamlindoro_: | You overestimate my usefulness ;) |
| [19:49:37] | sphery: | But, yeah, people are welcome to test it even when they don't add to it, but it would be nice if they could do so without detracting from the development process. |
| [19:50:25] | iamlindoro_: | I will admit that my recent getting-more-involved-in-adding stuff has been fun, but I'm still terribly embarassed about my stuff |
| [19:50:50] | iamlindoro_: | Have a long way to go and a lot to learn before I would feel comfortable about anything I submitted |
| [19:51:07] | laga: | get a room? ;) |
| [19:51:11] | sphery: | that's the whole advantage of submitting tickets--someone else will review it :) |
| [19:51:24] | Dagmar: | Meh. I might as well be chewing on my fingers today as typing with them. |
| [19:51:35] | Dibblah: | Yeah, once the other _600_ have been dealt with first. :( |
| [19:52:04] | Dagmar: | Stupid fingerprint scanners in a remote building are being recalcitrant--won't read anyone's fingers correctly but mine |
| [19:52:32] | sphery: | Too bad Mark hasn't done like most devs and learned to ignore the -users list... The time he's spending helping users could be spent playing with/improving the VDPAU stuff. :) |
| [19:53:08] | iamlindoro_: | Yes, tell him to get back to work fixing things I want ;) |
| [19:53:15] | sphery: | lol |
| [19:54:00] | sphery: | I have to say the threads with VCR Addict participating are really confusing--since his replies aren't going to the list anymore, it's like listening in on someone's phone conversation while sitting on the bus. |
| [19:54:26] | iamlindoro_: | oh jeez, he's just responding to individuals? What a douche |
| [19:54:31] | sphery: | yeah |
| [19:54:45] | iamlindoro_: | HA, especially when they cut his quotes out of the reply |
| [19:54:52] | sphery: | He's sending to the list and the individual, so when they reply, it goes back to the list, but they're cutting all of his reply |
| [19:54:55] | sphery: | yeah |
| [19:54:59] | iamlindoro_: | SNIP! Thanks for all the answers, it really helps |
| [19:55:01] | iamlindoro_: | hahaha |
| [19:55:15] | AndyCap: | loose cannon on deck |
| [19:55:15] | Chutt: | that would've stopped yesterday |
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| [19:55:49] | AndyCap: | Chutt: nah, didn't he say he read the list through some other archive before subscribing in his first mail? |
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| [19:56:07] | Chutt: | oh, i dunno |
| [19:56:30] | sphery: | yeah, his aren't coming through to the list, but people are responding to his direct e-mails (the ones before the list bounces them back), so they respond to him and the list |
| [19:57:04] | Chutt: | yeah, but he's no longer getting new emails either |
| [19:57:11] | Chutt: | ie, it would've stopped yesterday |
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| [19:57:56] | sphery: | could be, but I got the impression he was still getting direct e-mails in some conversations |
| [19:58:31] | sphery: | maybe it will all die out and he'll be just another name in the history of the list |
| [19:59:14] | sphery: | have to admit, though, that it's confusing because of the one-sidedness of the conversations, so I may be way off |
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| [20:06:04] | iamlindoro_: | Hmm, interesting, didn't realise the new Neuros box used Myth |
| [20:06:22] | sphery: | cool |
| [20:06:29] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.limesg.com/neuros/neurostvpc/dists . . . 386/Packages |
| [20:07:18] | sphery: | That's the one the -users list is talking about using to figure out how to do the Hulu thing? |
| [20:07:44] | sphery: | Mythbuntu it looks like |
| [20:07:54] | iamlindoro_: | yeah, although I think it's a lost cause. At least, using that source to do it |
| [20:08:39] | sphery: | yeah, though doing it from scratch may be more likely than getting NetFlix Watch Now working |
| [20:08:55] | Dagmar: | "Hulu thing"? |
| [20:09:10] | Dagmar: | I wasn't aware that Hulu allowed *any* third-party content viewing |
| [20:09:21] | iamlindoro_: | Dagmar: Users list trying to spit-and-bash-script themselves a hulu plugin |
| [20:09:38] | Dagmar: | I hope they enjoy conversations with lawyers then |
| [20:09:42] | sphery: | It seems to be available in Neuros |
| [20:10:01] | iamlindoro_: | And in Boxee, and in a bunch of other similar boxes |
| [20:10:11] | iamlindoro_: | including the new sage extender, etc. |
| [20:10:55] | sphery: | Does Hulu work on Firefox on GNU/Linux? |
| [20:11:38] | iamlindoro_: | yes |
| [20:11:43] | iamlindoro_: | w/ flash, but yes |
| [20:12:15] | sphery: | hmmm... I'll have to check it out tonight. I've been wondering about the quality. |
| [20:12:36] | iamlindoro_: | I think the most sensible idea was that when mythbrowser made it to QT 4.4 there would be flash support and should be pretty easily doable to integrate that nicely |
| [20:12:58] | sphery: | Is there Flash support for WebKit, yet? |
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| [20:13:08] | Dibblah: | Yay! Two more tickets to go until we hit the big round 600. |
| [20:13:28] | Dibblah: | Time for me to do some incredible ninja triage skills. |
| [20:14:29] | sphery: | gustave_ got his GCC segfault problem worked out... F9->F10 upgrade with F9's ccache in place. |
| [20:14:50] | sphery: | Dibblah: try to get it below 500 by tonight. :) |
| [20:14:53] | iamlindoro_: | Some quick googling implies flash comes with QT 4.5 |
| [20:14:58] | iamlindoro_: | so my bad about that |
| [20:15:25] | iamlindoro_: | or, at least, QT 4.5 allows mozilla plugin loading, and therefore flash |
| [20:15:27] | sphery: | hmmm. well, making Qt4.5 a requirement for Myth with Flash isn't really a bad thing |
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| [20:16:07] | iamlindoro_: | 64 bit flash 10 is an *dog* |
| [20:16:10] | iamlindoro_: | er a dog |
| [20:16:13] | Dibblah: | sphery: I appreciate your confidence, but believe it to be misplaced :) |
| [20:16:32] | sphery: | yeah, was slow for me, too, but fortunately, my 64-bit systems are much faster than my 32-bit systems. :) |
| [20:16:56] | iamlindoro_: | Yeah, a few flash videos at once is fine, but even on my quad, open 5 or 6 tabs with flash video and UGH |
| [20:17:01] | sphery: | Dibblah: all it takes is closing about 100 (whether they deserve it or not :) |
| [20:17:37] | Dibblah: | I try to only close the undeserving. And at least attempt to triage first :( |
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| [20:18:02] | Dibblah: | But my abilities are faaaar outpaced by the size of the Myth codebase. |
| [20:18:12] | laga: | Dibblah: ugh, i haven't triaged bugs in a while |
| [20:18:24] | Dibblah: | It shows ;) |
| [20:18:28] | laga: | haha |
| [20:18:33] | laga: | way too busy these days |
| [20:18:47] | sphery: | I think #5070 should be closed, now (though janneg would have to confirm). At this point, it seems that the columns most likely to contain dups-with-case-differences-only have been changed to utf8_bin collation, and if we change additional ones, now, then we'll have a mess. :) |
| [20:19:45] | Dibblah: | You know that "understanding 1 word in 5" feeling? |
| [20:20:28] | sphery: | Oh, and the "rough patch" that removes the 1215 upgrade breaks any /proper/ database (i.e. ones where users did not run the broken hack at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Utf8_Text_in_OSD ), so I'm pretty sure the people still complaining broke their DB's (and need to fix the issues themselves). |
| [20:21:28] | sphery: | Dibblah: actually, before I wrote the 1225 update patch (which fixed a database charset conversion issue), I would have been right there--the 1 in 5 words thing--with you :) |
| [20:21:29] | Dibblah: | Well, the issue is mostly transitory, isn't it? |
| [20:21:48] | iamlindoro_: | I hate that page, it needs to go away |
| [20:21:57] | Dibblah: | As in only oldrecorded + record rules will persist. |
| [20:22:03] | iamlindoro_: | The warning at the top works as well as "don't run VDPAU yet" |
| [20:22:07] | Dibblah: | iamlindoro_ it's a wiki. |
| [20:22:09] | Dibblah: | ;) |
| [20:22:28] | iamlindoro_: | Dibblah: Exactly my point-- It's revertable unless someone *removes* the page |
| [20:23:45] | sphery: | Because in pre-UTF-8 database schema we use latin1 charset, MySQL doesn't count rows that have duplicate values differing only in case in non-latin1 characters as duplicates, so the conversion to UTF-8 will cause issues for any users with such data in fields whose collation ends up as "default" (which is utf8_general_ci--meaning "case insensitive"). |
| [20:24:42] | sphery: | So, if there are any more fields that are likely to contain dups-not-known-to-be-dups, the user will be unable to upgrade unless we hack the collation to a case-sensitive collation (utf8_bin). |
| [20:24:48] | shadash: | I found a mini-dvi to pci for my digimatrix ;-) $70 (which is still kinda spendy) but it allows my to have nvidia graphics. woohoo |
| [20:25:01] | laga: | mini-dvi to pci? |
| [20:25:25] | sphery: | But, changing the schema version back there would require adding a new DB update later that then reconciles the schema for those who converted before the old upgrade was changed. |
| [20:25:28] | shadash: | yep |
| [20:25:37] | shadash: | wait mini-pci to pci |
| [20:25:37] | sphery: | basically, it would be a mess |
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| [20:27:20] | sphery: | Hmmm. Now I'm thinking of writing some pre-UTF8-conversion duplicate-checking/fixing code, which we could then use to ensure the duplicate thing wouldn't be an issue for anyone. |
| [20:27:42] | Dibblah: | No. |
| [20:27:51] | Dibblah: | It's not a good use of time, IMHO. |
| [20:28:10] | Dibblah: | The only way people got into the problem was by themselves, right? |
| [20:30:20] | sphery: | It's theoretically possible that dups exist in valid DB's, though based on the number of people who have switched DB's to trunk, it's unlikely that any occur in columns we haven't already hacked to a case-sensitive collation. |
| [20:31:08] | sphery: | But, basically, I could just write the code to be nice and general so it could serve 2 purposes--pre-upgrade-fix /and/ fixes dups in already-converted DB's to allow us to fix the schema correctly (i.e. so we don't have random case-sensitive fields) |
| [20:31:29] | sphery: | So, it would be a schema cleanup thing. |
| [20:31:44] | Dibblah: | Of course, it's completely up to you how you spend your time :) |
| [20:31:45] | sphery: | And would probably save a /lot/ of grief when 0.22 is released. :) |
| [20:31:52] | Dibblah: | Indeed. |
| [20:32:06] | Dibblah: | Still two weeks time? |
| [20:32:15] | sphery: | Hadn't heard that... |
| [20:32:15] | Dibblah: | Oh, sorry – wrong channel! |
| [20:32:18] | Dibblah: | ;) |
| [20:32:23] | sphery: | lol |
| [20:32:42] | sphery: | if so, someone needs to crack the whip for gbee... |
| [20:32:46] | iamlindoro_: | Oh now that's certain to cause the rumor mill a-runnin' |
| [20:32:54] | sphery: | It's already on /. |
| [20:33:00] | iamlindoro_: | haha |
| [20:33:29] | iamlindoro_: | "Download the Mythtv .22 prerelease alpha now! Just issue a svn co..." |
| [20:33:43] | sphery: | So, nevermind about #5070... I might have a way to prevent problems. |
| [20:34:23] | Dibblah: | I'm only tending to touch the unloved tickets. |
| [20:34:47] | Dibblah: | ... That one has quite a bit of attention. |
| [20:34:59] | sphery: | I'm installing MythTV 0.22 and it's getting a compile error. It says something about wanting me to use Qt4, but I have QuickTime 7 already installed. Do I really have to downgrade QuickTime to use the new version of Myth? |
| [20:35:34] | wagnerrp: | wow... thats... ... choice |
| [20:35:47] | laga: | sphery: hey, where can you download 0.22? i hear it's not coming out till 2011 |
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| [20:36:03] | sphery: | I just installed the new MythTV, version 0.22.20081116–1... (that one's for gbee) |
| [20:36:04] | iamlindoro_: | When will Myth reach 1.0, anyway? |
| [20:36:09] | iamlindoro_: | ;) |
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| [20:36:56] | directhex: | iamlindoro, at the current rate? |
| [20:37:42] | wagnerrp: | well im sure you start pumping up the pay rate for the devs, it hits 1.0 a lot sooner |
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| [20:37:55] | Dibblah: | 1.0 is a stupid number :) |
| [20:38:01] | ** iamlindoro_ points at the ";)" emphatically ** | |
| [20:38:15] | wagnerrp: | perhaps, but its the magical number when someone is paying you for it |
| [20:39:12] | sphery: | I think it would be hilarious to make the next release of MythTV 1.0--for absolutely no reason at all--and see how much it gets /.'ed and talked up in the media/blogs/... |
| [20:39:43] | directhex: | sphery, 3.11 mythtv for workgroups! |
| [20:39:43] | shadash: | or version .9999999992 |
| [20:39:55] | iamlindoro_: | "I can't believe they made it to 1.0 when this POS still can't stream Hulu" |
| [20:40:00] | sphery: | Only problem is a lot of people who were afraid of Myth would decide to use it, then I'd have to actually quit reading -users... |
| [20:40:06] | RyeBrye: | My work is calling a totally half-baked beta version of our product "1.0" and it bugs the hell out of me |
| [20:40:11] | iamlindoro_: | "Have they dropped the frontend and adopted XBMC yet?" |
| [20:40:38] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: temporarily while we work to create a new frontend based on Gloss |
| [20:40:40] | shadash: | I saw that on /. |
| [20:40:50] | shadash: | pretty annoying |
| [20:41:35] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: yummy |
| [20:41:58] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: I'll hand that over to our dedicated team of python script devs, then |
| [20:42:20] | shadash: | one thing I would reccommend to avoid user problems is to get the big myth distros ready to release/install .22 before releasing it |
| [20:42:46] | shadash: | then release it all on the same date |
| [20:42:54] | iamlindoro_: | shadash: that will never happen. |
| [20:43:11] | shadash: | why? b/c it makes too much sense? |
| [20:43:16] | iamlindoro_: | yes, that's why. |
| [20:43:19] | shadash: | ;- |
| [20:43:23] | wagnerrp: | this morning on -users.... 'What is a "dual core processor"?' |
| [20:43:42] | RyeBrye: | "Why do I want to process cores anyway?" |
| [20:44:16] | laga: | wagnerrp: have you read the posting? |
| [20:44:22] | wagnerrp: | yeah, just read it |
| [20:44:26] | wagnerrp: | he does make a valid point |
| [20:44:37] | laga: | yes. |
| [20:44:54] | sphery: | I didn't read it. |
| [20:44:55] | wagnerrp: | i suppose its been so longer since ive taken note of anything stated in requirements... |
| [20:45:10] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Did you see the explanation of how Neuros is doing hulu? Fullscreen firefox. |
| [20:45:17] | sphery: | Oh. |
| [20:45:22] | sphery: | and remote? |
| [20:45:30] | sphery: | none? lircmd? |
| [20:45:42] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: it comes with a wireless kbd+trackball |
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| [20:45:59] | sphery: | wonder if you can do LIRC modes such that lircmd normally isn't doing anything, but in a specific mode, it works as a mouse... |
| [20:46:04] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/04/neuros-lin . . . ets-unboxed/ |
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| [20:48:02] | sphery: | so does it record TV? |
| [20:48:10] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: So more or less it's mythbuntu with a custom theme and an extra EXEC command in the menu to open firefox. |
| [20:48:14] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Nope |
| [20:48:55] | sphery: | wonder why they're using MythTV, then... |
| [20:49:12] | sphery: | do they have a myth backend device, too? |
| [20:50:12] | iamlindoro_: | I'm sure it probably runs the backend, but likely only for simplicity's sake |
| [20:50:31] | iamlindoro_: | As it looks like more or less just a PC, I would imagine you could use USB tuners with a tiny bit of effort |
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| [20:50:54] | sphery: | Hmmm. Still seems strange to choose MythTV if they don't do TV. |
| [20:51:26] | iamlindoro_: | I'm not going to pay $300 to find out |
| [20:51:52] | iamlindoro_: | For less than that I can build a smaller, sexier, quieter VDPAU-capable box |
| [20:52:08] | iamlindoro_: | I have been checking every few days to see if that Mini ITX 9300 board has come out |
| [20:52:54] | sphery: | I just heard that the Apple MacBooks based on the 9300/9400 chipsets are having some serious heat problems |
| [20:53:29] | gbee: | http://www.zatznotfunny.com/wordpress/wp-cont . . . os-link9.jpg |
| [20:53:48] | iamlindoro_: | Heh, VERY familiar |
| [20:54:06] | Chutt: | sphery, the issues sounded more like driver bugs |
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| [20:54:27] | ** iamlindoro_ wonders if justinh's ears are tingling ** | |
| [20:54:35] | sphery: | I was going based off http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2 . . . ing-macbooks |
| [20:54:50] | Chutt: | yeah, basing anything off of the inquirer is _slightly_ iffy :p |
| [20:55:05] | gbee: | iamlindoro: and yet I like that they did do something as simple as swap the watermark to the left of the menu |
| [20:55:09] | sphery: | which said that there's a scrolling problem which is software, but a heat problem which isn't (though it may be SMC or something of Apple's causing the heat/power issue) |
| [20:55:46] | sphery: | anyway, they said OEM's seem to be holding off until the B3 stepping which is due in Jan |
| [20:56:07] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: heh, well at least they maintain repositories so it's not as though they're really hiding anything... just worth a giggle |
| [20:56:23] | RyeBrye: | neuros stuff is oss? |
| [20:56:33] | iamlindoro_: | yep |
| [20:56:35] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: not hiding anything at all, they told us a while back |
| [20:56:37] | sphery: | seems neuros stuff is Myth |
| [20:56:44] | ** RyeBrye reaches for a crowbar to extract the hulu playback crap and pastes it into myth ** | |
| [20:56:56] | iamlindoro_: | RyeBrye: "Fullscreen firefox" |
| [20:56:59] | iamlindoro_: | there, done. |
| [20:57:03] | gbee: | sphery: _some_, in particular this new device they've launched |
| [20:57:04] | RyeBrye: | oh, that's what they do? |
| [20:57:20] | RyeBrye: | so they rely on a mouse and crap to do it? |
| [20:57:20] | sphery: | yeah, I meant the new one |
| [20:57:23] | iamlindoro_: | http://app.neuros.tv/ |
| [20:57:56] | sphery: | RyeBrye: a wise man once said, "< iamlindoro_> sphery: it comes with a wireless kbd+trackball" |
| [20:58:05] | iamlindoro_: | Yeah, then I said it too ;) |
| [20:58:35] | RyeBrye: | Interesting. Yeah – that hulu integration is crap since you coudln't use a remote to do it |
| [20:58:46] | iamlindoro_: | Anyway, that's the address for the app they are using for hulu |
| [20:58:49] | RyeBrye: | even tab and down arrow into their dropdown menu is broken |
| [20:58:50] | gbee: | and before anyone starts knocking Neuros don't – they are a nice enough bunch and there are probably one or two in this channel right now |
| [20:58:53] | iamlindoro_: | Not totally bad looking |
| [20:59:17] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: I don't think anyone had badmouthed them (or at least, didn't mean to) |
| [20:59:28] | RyeBrye: | I wasn't badmouthing neuros – just that hulu page |
| [20:59:29] | sphery: | gbee: in that image, it seems a bad idea to keep the XBox 360 there... Should probably be on the outside to delay the red-ring-of-death from overheating. :) |
| [20:59:44] | sphery: | (yeah, I realize it's not yours) |
| [21:00:09] | gbee: | the Neuros OSD was a completely respectable bit of kit even if we joked with Joe Born at LRL that we'd like one, only it would have to run Mythtv :) |
| [21:01:24] | gbee: | well we didn't realise that he'd go off and do exactly that |
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| [21:01:37] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: I'm re-reading scrollback, but I don't get why you think anyone's being disrespectful of them? |
| [21:03:08] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: no-one has yet, but I'm hoping to preempt it :) There is always someone who gets their knickers in a twist when a commercial entity choses to use myth, normally because they've got their facts wrong |
| [21:03:25] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: Ah. Well, I don't think it's a bad thing, anyway |
| [21:03:41] | sphery: | Yeah, I don't think it's a bad thing, I just don't understand the decision if they're not actually doing TV. |
| [21:04:39] | iamlindoro_: | ISTR their new OSD 2 has hardware encoders to h.264 from component |
| [21:04:57] | sphery: | I just assumed (though I haven't looked/researched) that other apps might be a better choice for a non-TV HTPC. |
| [21:05:02] | iamlindoro_: | But it's got some limitations that are a bit unfortunate (ie only up to 1024x768, 8ish Mbit) |
| [21:05:23] | iamlindoro_: | Also has hardware h.264 decoders too |
| [21:05:34] | gbee: | recreating a UI and other bits and pieces of MythTV would be costly plus you've got the benefit of thousands of MythTV users who might want one |
| [21:05:46] | gbee: | I expect they examined alternatives before choosing mythfrontend |
| [21:06:01] | iamlindoro_: | I was reading that they're using some TI chipset to do all that, and there's some marginally-more-expensive variety that can encode/decode 1080p, wish they would cook one up with that |
| [21:06:31] | iamlindoro_: | If I could pay 400–500 for what amounts to a VDPAU frontend with HD-PVr recording features, all in a sexy little box with a nice backplane, I'd be all over it |
| [21:07:09] | iamlindoro_: | As it is I'm considering buying a spare HDPVR and mounting it internally with an HDFury2 machined into an "HDMI in" |
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| [21:07:17] | Chutt: | LPRECT is bottom right corner exclusive, right? |
| [21:07:21] | Chutt: | just to be completely off-topic |
| [21:07:53] | Chutt: | well, RECT, rather |
| [21:08:12] | stuarta: | this channel on topic? hah! |
| [21:08:51] | shadash: | iamlindoro_: you mean kinda like my digimatrix with a mini-pci to pci adaptor? All the coolness of the digimatrix with nvidia |
| [21:08:56] | RyeBrye: | Can that neuros box also act as a mythfrontend? |
| [21:09:01] | RyeBrye: | i.e. just use it with my existing backend? |
| [21:09:32] | iamlindoro_: | shadash: What does your digimatrix have to do with capturing component HD? |
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| [21:09:54] | gbee: | RyeBrye: can't see any reason why not, I'd expect that if you re-add the missing menu items it would function perfectly as a frontend |
| [21:10:15] | wagnerrp: | does that thing even do USB2.0? |
| [21:10:17] | bradd: | hmmm...Please install Net::UPnP – what package(on fedora) contains Net::UPnP? |
| [21:10:27] | RyeBrye: | Cool. I might look into it – depends on how lazy I get and how poorly my AppleTV does at playing back HD stuff |
| [21:10:32] | gbee: | perl-net-upnp ? |
| [21:10:41] | shadash: | nothing about capturing. I thought you were looking for a "If I could pay 400–500 for what amounts to a VDPAU frontend with HD-PVr recording features, all in a sexy little box with a nice backplane, I'd be all over it" only thing it can't to is record hd |
| [21:10:48] | bradd: | heh |
| [21:10:52] | gbee: | RyeBrye: you can always just ask them |
| [21:10:57] | bradd: | i did already check for the obvious gbee |
| [21:11:06] | iamlindoro_: | shadash: So, basically, aside from both being boxes, the two are nothing alike. Exactly. |
| [21:11:13] | shadash: | kinda |
| [21:11:15] | gbee: | bradd: sorry, can't make that assumption in here ;) |
| [21:11:32] | bradd: | that is a good point |
| [21:12:04] | bradd: | i should restate...i have check in the repositories i have configured for that package..it doesnt exist |
| [21:12:21] | RyeBrye: | In theory, someone could sell commercial STB's for MythTV that they had the users go set up their SD account themselves, right? |
| [21:12:31] | bradd: | but i figure it would be in the fedora and/or atrpms repo's |
| [21:12:50] | RyeBrye: | I can only imagine how much of a pain it would be to build some kind of push-update system for them and to support them all... but someone could do it if they really wanted to, right? |
| [21:13:05] | shadash: | kinda like yum? |
| [21:13:12] | iamlindoro_: | RyeBrye: Assuming one also managed to wade through the patent and DMCA issues, yes |
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| [21:13:31] | gbee: | Chutt: assume you've looked at the MSDN page for RECT? |
| [21:13:44] | Chutt: | yeah, did after that :p |
| [21:13:55] | gbee: | heh |
| [21:14:12] | iamlindoro_: | ie to do so legally in the US would mean paying licensing fees to appropriate bodies for codecs, not including any DVD decryption (or paying the DVD forum for a license), etc. |
| [21:14:51] | RyeBrye: | yeah, that would be a pain |
| [21:14:59] | Chutt: | ok, so, right/bottom exclusive would be: x, y, x+width, y+height |
| [21:15:00] | Chutt: | correct? |
| [21:15:09] | wagnerrp: | well they could do it like that apple clone |
| [21:15:17] | Chutt: | i'm second guessing my math skills |
| [21:15:29] | wagnerrp: | ship a disk that automatically downloads, patches, installs and sets up mythtv |
| [21:15:35] | wagnerrp: | rather than shipping mythtv itself |
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| [21:16:12] | gbee: | Chutt: reads that way to me, but I've no experience with it |
| [21:16:49] | Dibblah: | gbee: You probably want #mythtv. Please read the topic. |
| [21:16:51] | Dibblah: | ;) |
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| [21:17:09] | gbee: | bah, you guys should call this #mythtv-users |
| [21:17:12] | gbee: | oh, wait |
| [21:17:17] | Dibblah: | Heh ;)# |
| [21:17:21] | stuarta: | hahaha |
| [21:17:57] | Dibblah: | So much for my triaging tonight. |
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| [21:18:30] | Dibblah: | Compilation is hell at the moment – *something* causes latency to go waaay up on my system when -j2+. |
| [21:18:48] | wagnerrp: | are you starting to swap at the point? |
| [21:18:51] | Dibblah: | As in jerky mouse and everything. |
| [21:18:52] | Dibblah: | No. |
| [21:18:54] | stuarta: | io contention? |
| [21:19:00] | Dibblah: | Possibly. |
| [21:19:17] | Dibblah: | Looks to me like a bad RAID / XFS / kernel version interaction. |
| [21:19:17] | stuarta: | or new kernel that's changed the io scheduler? |
| [21:19:20] | laga: | there are some bugs open about that in ubuntu and against newer kernel. |
| [21:19:35] | sphery: | or the process scheduler |
| [21:19:39] | Dibblah: | Yeah, this is 2.6.27-rc4 (don't ask) currently. |
| [21:19:48] | stuarta: | laga: wouldn't be one about 2.6.2[56] having a usb stack that crashes when trying to print? |
| [21:19:53] | Dibblah: | Trying 2.6.28-rc* soon. |
| [21:21:08] | laga: | stuarta: no |
| [21:21:26] | stuarta: | damn, i'll have to crash it and go report it to debian |
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| [21:23:45] | Dibblah: | stuarta: Oooh. tetrahub involved? |
| [21:23:53] | stuarta: | nope |
| [21:24:00] | stuarta: | worked fine on 2.6.24 |
| [21:24:16] | stuarta: | craps out on 2.6.25 & 26 |
| [21:24:17] | Dibblah: | For me, I get a complete USB subsystem lockup when I disconnect some bits from my hub. |
| [21:24:33] | stuarta: | back in a sec, changing computers |
| [21:24:37] | Dibblah: | As in it won't recognise anything plugged or unplugged after. |
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| [21:28:51] | stuarta: | well for me, after about the 3rd page of printing, the kernel oops in usb stack |
| [21:28:59] | stuarta: | and then the whole stack is boned |
| [21:29:09] | stuarta: | won't do anything until i reboot |
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| [21:39:14] | gbee: | Dibblah: funny, I've had similar issues with this new machine that I'm blaming on running into swap combined with IO wait, I'll know for sure when I bump up the ram |
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| [21:39:38] | stuarta: | the different schedulers make a difference |
| [21:39:52] | Dibblah: | gbee: xfs? |
| [21:40:01] | gbee: | stuarta: libps crashes here when I try to print with Mandriva 2009 |
| [21:40:13] | sphery: | Dibblah: there you go... Now you've got your 600(+) tickets... |
| [21:40:19] | Dibblah: | For me, it's fairly definitely RAID / XFS related. |
| [21:40:24] | gbee: | Dibblah: on the media drives, root and home paritions are ext3 |
| [21:40:30] | stuarta: | that sucks, not as bad as my kernel oops |
| [21:40:43] | gbee: | no raid |
| [21:40:50] | sphery: | and #5966 is /definitely/ a infoneeded (i.e. selecting /what/ locks it up?) |
| [21:41:00] | gbee: | stuarta: no, thankfully, still means I can't print though :/ |
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| [21:45:15] | Dibblah: | Right. Time to reboot and see what this new kernel brings. Pain, most likely :( |
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| [21:45:29] | iamlindoro_: | Heh, http://tinyurl.com/5nm9yr vs. http://www.zatznotfunny.com/2008-12/neuros-li . . . euros-link4/ |
| [21:45:35] | iamlindoro_: | Awful close, firewire aside |
| [21:46:10] | dustybin: | has justinh wife tied him to a chair with a 'NO MORE MYTHTV' sign attached to his head? |
| [21:46:27] | wagnerrp: | the zatz link doesnt work |
| [21:46:35] | stuarta: | he's probably got the shits with everything. |
| [21:46:41] | iamlindoro_: | wagnerrp: Does here... |
| [21:46:52] | wagnerrp: | i get a 404 |
| [21:46:52] | iamlindoro_: | thrice over, now |
| [21:46:54] | Chutt: | hey |
| [21:47:06] | Chutt: | are people seeing the out of order frames with h264 + vdpau in myth? |
| [21:47:14] | iamlindoro_: | Chutt: Only in MKV containers |
| [21:48:03] | iamlindoro_: | wagnerrp: http://www.zatznotfunny.com/2008-12/neuros-link-unboxed-setup/ You can try that and click the picture of the backplane |
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| [21:49:01] | wagnerrp: | neuros one has firewire |
| [21:49:10] | wagnerrp: | ah, right |
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| [21:49:54] | iamlindoro_: | Yes, I'm guessing it's an 8300 motherboard from Asus, given the almost-identical quality |
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| [21:50:18] | iamlindoro_: | I've got the Asus 9300 I compared it against, it looked awful familiar :) |
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| [21:51:38] | wagnerrp: | nope |
| [21:51:45] | wagnerrp: | onboard video is an HD3200 |
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| [21:51:57] | wagnerrp: | 780G chipset |
| [21:52:16] | wagnerrp: | http://wiki.neurostechnology.com/index.php/Ne . . . ecifications |
| [21:52:24] | janneg: | sphery: thanks for bringing #5070 to my attention, those two !$@#$@%! deserved some smacking |
| [21:52:44] | sphery: | janneg: yeah, just saw your response on it. |
| [21:53:31] | gbee: | pretty close to my Asus M3N78 |
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| [21:54:21] | Chutt: | gbee, you haven't seen the out of order frames with the bbc h264 stuff, have you? |
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| [21:54:38] | gbee: | except for the displayport, firewire and the spdif is between the ps/2 + usb block and hdmi |
| [21:54:49] | gbee: | Chutt: no |
| [21:54:56] | Chutt: | ok, cool |
| [21:55:01] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: identical to my 9300 mobo except for firewire |
| [21:55:05] | Chutt: | i'm being asked questions about that stuff |
| [21:55:19] | sphery: | janneg: The failure in oldprogram.oldtitle can't happen, anymore, because someone changed it to use utf8_bin, now. Those who say that it "works" if you remove the varbinary conversion are either corrupting their data (thereby preventing dups because the data is corrupt) or--the only way it could work--is if they had already hacked the character set. |
| [21:55:24] | wagnerrp: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131324 |
| [21:55:45] | iamlindoro_: | yep, there we go |
| [21:56:01] | gbee: | I've samples that lock up the machine, samples that play no video and samples that show corruption, but none that I'm aware of with out of order frames |
| [21:56:34] | Chutt: | h264? |
| [21:56:40] | gbee: | the no video one is the h.264 sample they suggest, so I'm guessing that's a MythTV only bug |
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| [21:56:42] | gbee: | Chutt: yeah |
| [21:57:33] | sphery: | janneg: Did you see my ramblings on a function to do a pre-UTF-8 conversion check/fix of dups? I could write it with the intent of allowing us to fix the remaining utf8_bin columns to use default/utf8_general_ci . We could also use it as a pre-upgrade-fix, but I'd guess that running it on every text column in the DB would take quite some time (though I haven't tried, just yet). :) |
| [21:57:37] | wagnerrp: | one unused PCI, one unused PCIE |
| [21:57:44] | sphery: | janneg: think it's worthwhile? |
| [21:57:44] | wagnerrp: | does that mean theyre using one of them internally? |
| [21:58:07] | gbee: | I can make them available, the lock up one is a HDPVR sample that someone made available, the corruption is an older BBC HD (Mark is also seeing this issue, or one like it) |
| [21:58:07] | sphery: | (if nothing else, it would let us close out #5070 completely) |
| [21:58:24] | iamlindoro_: | wagnerrp: The differences in the expansion placeholders imply so |
| [21:58:36] | Chutt: | gbee, we'll see if the guy asks |
| [21:58:44] | gbee: | k |
| [22:00:30] | Dibblah: | Wierd. NV seems to have gone from essentially no active / visible support of Linux to bending over backwards... |
| [22:01:00] | stuarta: | it's interesting indeed |
| [22:01:06] | janneg: | sphery: no, I don't think so. it might be nice but imho nothing worth more than a couple of minutes of changing the collate to utf8_bin |
| [22:01:28] | sphery: | OK. Then I'll work on some other stuff. |
| [22:01:42] | directhex: | Dibblah, i still need a newer driver for s870! |
| [22:01:44] | iamlindoro_: | I'd like to see some interesting open-source CUDA stuff start to appear |
| [22:01:47] | Dibblah: | ... Maybe there is truth to this Steam coming to linux rumors ;) |
| [22:01:54] | sphery: | I guess if we have mass failures when 0.22 is released, I'll look at it then. :) |
| [22:02:09] | sphery: | (Though I doubt we will have any on non-hacked DB's) |
| [22:02:16] | directhex: | Dibblah, the 50 meg of linux sofiles in the left4dead demo? |
| [22:02:25] | Chutt: | Dibblah, the video stuff's been in the works for quite some time |
| [22:03:42] | sphery: | I'm definitely happy with current NVIDIA support. I still can't believe all the people complaining about how their GPU's aren't supported by VDPAU. |
| [22:04:01] | kormoc: | sphery, you just don't feel entitled enough |
| [22:04:05] | Dibblah: | I know – It just seems a _lot_ more focussed than previously. |
| [22:04:26] | AndyCap: | sphery: what do you mean that there won't be a lecacy driver with VDPAU? |
| [22:04:30] | kormoc: | Dibblah, because it only counts if it's released? |
| [22:04:37] | ** kormoc sighs ** | |
| [22:04:41] | janneg: | sphery: I'm not sure that oldtitle isn't a problem anymore: |
| [22:04:43] | janneg: | Query was: ALTER TABLE oldprogram DEFAULT CHARACTER SET default, MODIFY oldtitle varchar(128) CHARACTER SET utf8 COLLATE utf8_bin NOT NULL default ''; |
| [22:05:04] | sphery: | kormoc: guess so (and the sad thing is that I probably paid a /lot/ more for my unsupported GF7800 GTX than most paid for their unsupported cards) |
| [22:05:13] | kormoc: | AndyCap, VDPAU depends on hardware support, so if your card doesn't support it, no driver update will fix that |
| [22:05:31] | AndyCap: | I want h.264 decoding on my Geforce MX 4 |
| [22:05:34] | AndyCap: | :P |
| [22:05:36] | Dibblah: | kormoc: Sorry to ambush you – http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4336 |
| [22:05:58] | kormoc: | Dibblah, what bout it? |
| [22:06:09] | Dibblah: | Anything stopping this from being new rather than infoneeded? |
| [22:06:11] | sphery: | janneg: OK, it could be a problem if there are invalid UTF8 chars in the column before the UTF8 conversion, but definitely not a duplicates-differing-only-in-case issue |
| [22:06:25] | AndyCap: | kormoc: I was kidding btw. I'm still amazed at the number of people wanting drivers for their old MX4 and whatnots |
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| [22:06:33] | sphery: | janneg: I don't know how MySQL handles invalid chars when it does the varbinary->utf8 conversion |
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| [22:06:54] | kormoc: | Dibblah, ahh, well, it should likely go as invalid, as I've been doing a full fledged template for the iphone |
| [22:07:01] | Dibblah: | :) |
| [22:07:03] | stuarta: | well do we know which chars are invalid? |
| [22:07:23] | kormoc: | Dibblah, I'll accept it and review the patches again tho, thanks for the pointer |
| [22:07:28] | Dibblah: | kormoc: Switch it to a tracking ticket and attach your patch, then ;) |
| [22:07:42] | kormoc: | Dibblah, my patches are already in -trunk :P |
| [22:07:57] | Dibblah: | OK. Thanks! |
| [22:08:13] | sphery: | janneg: I'm guessing there could be invalid chars due to improper/missed/forgotten conversions in the old pre-UTF8 Myth. |
| [22:08:20] | kormoc: | Dibblah, http://flickr.com/photos/kormoc/tags/ipod |
| [22:08:47] | kormoc: | Dibblah, there's some screenshots to see what I did, it needs a bit more work porting things over, but the framework is there |
| [22:09:38] | Dibblah: | Looks nice. I don't have one, the GF may be getting one if I can resolve this damn ebay thief :( |
| [22:10:19] | Dibblah: | My own stupidity – She'd only sold 3 phones previously with (presumably fake) feedback. |
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| [22:11:55] | gbee: | paypal? |
| [22:12:05] | Dibblah: | Yeah. |
| [22:12:12] | Dibblah: | So protected, hopefully. |
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| [22:12:19] | Dibblah: | Which is an odd turnaround. |
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| [22:12:47] | Dibblah: | Previously, paypal used to "protect" as in if you complained, they'd give you the money back. |
| [22:13:38] | Dibblah: | Or, rather, they'd give you the money back if there was any left in the seller's paypal account after everyone that complained before you got theirs. |
| [22:13:54] | Dibblah: | So about as much chance as ... Something with very little chance. |
| [22:14:07] | gbee: | last time I had a dispute (seller sent a broken card) I opened a dispute, paypal/ebay refunded me within the week |
| [22:14:12] | Dibblah: | Now, apparently, it's not dependent on the paypal balance of the complainant. |
| [22:14:33] | gbee: | I was pleasantly suprised |
| [22:14:38] | Dibblah: | Err.. Person complained against. |
| [22:15:09] | kormoc: | Dibblah, paypal used to freeze bank accounts linked to the accounts as well, that was ebil |
| [22:15:11] | kormoc: | *evil |
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| [22:15:32] | sphery: | kormoc: would A = Ä in utf8_bin? |
| [22:15:38] | Dibblah: | Yeah, I know the tales. But I've not had an issue, really. |
| [22:16:06] | sphery: | kormoc: I'm guessing there's a way to do a query to find out, but I can't figure it out... |
| [22:16:52] | Dibblah: | xris: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5905 applies cleanly against trunk... |
| [22:17:41] | xris: | Dibblah: yeah, jarod and I have been working on that stuff |
| [22:17:57] | xris: | just haven't committed because the firewire system in myth is actually seriously broken with the juju stack. |
| [22:18:07] | xris: | and neither of us has had time to go through and clean it all up |
| [22:18:37] | Dibblah: | Okay. That's annoying :( |
| [22:18:52] | Dibblah: | There's nothing I can do to help – I have no firewire sources. |
| [22:19:30] | Dibblah: | Is it at all possible there's corruption in Trac? |
| [22:19:31] | Dibblah: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/5210/ticket.2.diff |
| [22:19:50] | Dibblah: | Patch appears to be binary garbage – Looks like a bitmap. |
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| [22:22:11] | iamlindoro_: | #5844, #5796, and #5686 are all by me and should be simply applyable. #5799 can be closed invalid, a new DB fixed it. |
| [22:23:41] | sphery: | What's the MySQL equivalent of Oracle's dual? |
| [22:23:53] | janneg: | sphery: yeah, that could be possible. if we wrote something with 8-bit chars without converting to utf-8 it's very likely to create invalid utf-8 chars |
| [22:24:14] | Dibblah: | Thanks, iamlindoro. |
| [22:24:22] | Dibblah: | Why are you in channel 3 times? ;) |
| [22:24:33] | sphery: | I'd guess that MySQL would just ignore the character, which could then create dups, right? |
| [22:25:04] | Dibblah: | 601 tickets... Maybe we'll get back to where we were this morning :( |
| [22:26:18] | iamlindoro_: | Dibblah: two PCs at home, one at work |
| [22:26:32] | sphery: | irssi + screen :) |
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| [22:26:48] | wagnerrp: | im partial to xchat + tightvnc myself |
| [22:26:48] | iamlindoro_: | bah |
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| [22:27:22] | iamlindoro_: | I'm trying to call attention to the cause of nick obesity |
| [22:27:47] | wagnerrp: | fattened up with underscores? |
| [22:28:01] | janneg: | sphery: or it just gives an error on that entry |
| [22:28:34] | sphery: | so it would error the conversion, not error on dup? |
| [22:29:17] | janneg: | sphery: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/charset-conversion.html actually mentions the BINARY(x) CHAR(X) 0x0 padding and has a different solution |
| [22:29:52] | janneg: | sphery: right, the error was a duplicate key error |
| [22:30:54] | sphery: | yeah, I didn't see any reason to run TRIM on every entry when varbinary seemed to work (is there some reason to do the conversion through binary rather than varbinary)? |
| [22:31:20] | sphery: | I found that page when working the 2nd patch (that fixed the already-converted data) |
| [22:31:52] | Dibblah: | Anyone have any comment on http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4571 |
| [22:32:13] | Dibblah: | With the recent discussion of "customisable, scripted" menu trees, is it really needed? |
| [22:32:32] | sphery: | I'm currently trying to understand the effects ( http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/charse . . . -effect.html ), where it says that utf8_unicode_ci has an A = Ä , but I can't reproduce that with utf8_general_ci |
| [22:32:40] | Dibblah: | Oh, doh. No, it's completely different. Ignore. |
| [22:32:46] | janneg: | sphery: I was speaking about the cleanup patch of already converted DBs. using varbinary is better |
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| [22:33:09] | sphery: | janneg: oh, the TRIM versus the REPLACE... |
| [22:33:18] | janneg: | sphery: yes |
| [22:33:28] | sphery: | is it more efficient? |
| [22:33:40] | sphery: | would definitely prevent issues if null exists in the string... |
| [22:33:54] | janneg: | I would guess TRIM but it doesn't matter |
| [22:34:43] | sphery: | I don't understand character encodings, so if we do a replace, could it mangle a multibyte character--i.e. could one of the bytes be null-char? |
| [22:35:10] | sphery: | or does it replace only on "real" characters (i.e. properly seeing the multiple bytes as a character) |
| [22:35:59] | janneg: | sphery: no, null byte is a null byte in utf8 |
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| [22:36:22] | janneg: | sphery: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utf8#Description |
| [22:36:59] | sphery: | cool... I started to worry that the replace would mangle data. |
| [22:39:05] | sphery: | OK, trying to prove this A = Ä thing... I've tried "SET NAMES utf8 COLLATE utf8_unicode_ci;" followed by "SELECT 'A' = 'Ä';" and get 0. I've tried "SELECT 'A' = _utf8 'Ä' COLLATE utf8_unicode_ci;" and get 0. I don't know what I'm doing wrong. |
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| [22:42:55] | sphery: | SELECT 'A' = _latin1 'Ä' COLLATE latin1_german1_ci; gives 1 , but with _utf8 using COLLATE utf8_bin, utf8_general_ci, and utf8_unicode_ci , it gives 0, so I have to think that the documentation is wrong. |
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| [22:48:36] | Dibblah: | Meh. These patches need a proper code reviewer. I'm not that person :( |
| [22:48:40] | sphery: | janneg: so, if oldprogram.oldtitle cannot have dups due to case sensitivity (it's using utf8_bin, not utf8_general_ci), and if utf8_bin (and utf8_general_ci) don't have equalities such as A = Ä , then the only way we could have an issue is with corrupt data (which would only occur in non-latin1 characters, right?). However, that means that any text column could have similar issues (at least any column where we had at least one ... |
| [22:48:46] | sphery: | ... missing conversion in the old code). |
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| [22:54:15] | wagnerrp: | well... time to clone the current fixes install and try out trunk |
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| [22:57:24] | iamlindoro_: | Dibblah: you can probably close 5962 invalid |
| [22:57:34] | iamlindoro_: | (since an identical tickket was closed invalid last week) |
| [22:58:17] | Dibblah: | Hmm. Yes, by the guidelines. |
| [22:58:27] | leop_: | I got Twinhan Vision Plus DVB-S 1020A card and I connected my LNB cable direct from the dish to the card when I do channel scan it fails? |
| [22:58:48] | Dibblah: | I'm not too sure about it, though. It's probably not _that_ much work. |
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| [23:12:29] | elprespufferfish: | i'm trying to set up mythlcdserver and all I get when mythtv should be displaying something is the "LCDProc Server" message |
| [23:12:33] | elprespufferfish: | 1 client, Scr: 7 |
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| [23:20:19] | sphery: | Dibblah: Yeah, if users can't be bothered to re-report issues, the issues probably aren't worth fixing, anyway. :) |
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| [23:22:09] | Dibblah: | sphery: It's not that. |
| [23:22:23] | Dibblah: | It takes me 10 minutes to triage a ticket. Minimum. |
| [23:22:30] | Dibblah: | There's now 600 tickets. |
| [23:22:36] | Dibblah: | That's 6000 minutes. |
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| [23:23:19] | sphery: | Yeah, just saying that if you clean out the good and the bad, people are far more likely to re-report the good. |
| [23:23:39] | sphery: | (meaning the valid tickets--especially ones with patches :) |
| [23:24:42] | Dibblah: | There's some really worthwhile patches in there. Useless, since they've bitrotted. |
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| [23:27:01] | grndslm: | how much longer do you guys think my pvr500 will be of any use?? ... in other words, how much longer can i expect my cableco to offer analog cable?!? |
| [23:27:13] | laga: | Dibblah: go to bed? ;) |
| [23:27:30] | Dibblah: | Yeah, that sounds like a plan :) |
| [23:27:31] | laga: | Dibblah: you're not alone in triaging |
| [23:27:39] | sphery: | grndslm: if nothing else, they'll likely offer a set-top-box with Composite or S-Video output for a long time. |
| [23:27:44] | Dibblah: | Sure – There's about 6 of us. |
| [23:27:55] | Dibblah: | And danielk when he's on a roll just _rocks_. |
| [23:28:01] | laga: | yeah |
| [23:28:05] | laga: | it's scary to see that |
| [23:28:06] | sphery: | grndslm: but /expecting/ anything from a cable company is just a recipe for disappointment |
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| [23:28:19] | grndslm: | sphery: i can'tusecomposit or s-video to change channels tho |
| [23:28:25] | grndslm: | damn spacebar |
| [23:28:34] | dustybin: | does anybody know what the future dvb HD specification will be? |
| [23:28:38] | sphery: | grndslm: that's what LIRC and an IR transmitter (or firewire, if you're lucky) are for |
| [23:28:50] | Dibblah: | dustybin: That's easy. Add a 2. |
| [23:28:55] | sphery: | or an ng |
| [23:29:00] | dustybin: | dvb2 ? |
| [23:29:02] | Dibblah: | dvb-s2, dvb-c2, dvb-t2 |
| [23:29:13] | grndslm: | sphery: hmm... i wanna record 2 channels at once, tho. =-( |
| [23:29:26] | dustybin: | interesting, i wonder if my nova-t 500 will work on dvb-t2 |
| [23:29:27] | Dibblah: | And those wierdoes with mobile phone TV stuff. |
| [23:29:35] | sphery: | grndslm: fortunately, your cable company would be elated to rent you 2 STB's. |
| [23:29:35] | grndslm: | sphery: will the hdhomerun only with with ota hd channels? |
| [23:29:43] | Dibblah: | Yes. |
| [23:29:58] | grndslm: | *work |
| [23:30:06] | sphery: | grndslm: hdhomerun will only record digital channels (whether they're high def or not) |
| [23:30:25] | Dibblah: | And yes, only FTA ones. |
| [23:30:44] | grndslm: | sphery: but it won't work with encrypted channels, QAM? or will it? |
| [23:31:00] | sphery: | grndslm: I'm just saying that only your cable co could tell you how long they plan to keep analog channels available--and even then they're likely to change plans when they feel they can get away with doing so |
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| [23:31:26] | Dibblah: | No, no encryption. |
| [23:31:32] | sphery: | grndslm: nope, there's no way to get direct access to encrypted digital channels in the US. You'd have to do digital -> analog -> HDPVR or something |
| [23:32:04] | grndslm: | damn damn damn |
| [23:32:05] | dustybin: | once UK starts using DVB-T2, it could take years before linux drivers are hacked up |
| [23:32:30] | sphery: | grndslm: but some cable co's have STB's with firewire that will output unencrypted versions of those encrypted channels, but you won't know if yours does until you try (likely even asking them you'll get incorrect info) |
| [23:32:45] | grndslm: | i hate this digital crud... fuxin' with my mythical life |
| [23:33:16] | grndslm: | sphery: i called my cableco once and asked what the model no was of the STB and they said they couldn't tell me |
| [23:33:26] | sphery: | grndslm: but some of those cable co's that have been making all subscribed channels available through firewire are starting to encrypt more and more of those channels (leaving only the "must-carry" channels unencrypted--through either firewire or directly on the line) |
| [23:33:52] | Dagmar: | Basically, unless you live in the California SF Bay Area, forget about unencrypted firewire |
| [23:33:52] | sphery: | yeah, cable co customer service is the reason I have an antenna and a $0/mo TV bill |
| [23:34:30] | grndslm: | i've heard of people with huge uhf antennas being able to pick up a ton of ota channels |
| [23:34:51] | Dagmar: | I've heard of UHF channels worth watching. |
| [23:35:00] | Dagmar: | No wait, I haven't. |
| [23:35:01] | sphery: | I get a ton of OTA channels, but only 7 are worth watching |
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| [23:35:28] | elprespufferfish: | anybody on my mythlcdserver problem? |
| [23:35:39] | sphery: | sorry, don't know the lcd stuff |
| [23:37:17] | teprrr: | elprespufferfish, that message means that the mythlcdserver hasn't set anything visible |
| [23:37:41] | laga: | g'night! |
| [23:42:39] | elprespufferfish: | teprrr, any idea why? i've tried watching a recording, and live tv, and music |
| [23:43:16] | teprrr: | elprespufferfish, hrmh. have you checked the lcdserver settings already? |
| [23:43:34] | teprrr: | if those are disabled in there that may be a reason |
| [23:43:35] | elprespufferfish: | teprrr, it the frontend? i've turned on a bunch of them |
| [23:43:39] | teprrr: | otherwise I have no idea |
| [23:43:49] | teprrr: | they do change for me here :P |
| [23:44:35] | teprrr: | you could try to run mythfrontend verbose output mode (can't now remember how) or try to see if LCDd has something in its logs |
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