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| [00:00:32] | gbee: | VdpVideoSurfaceGetBitsYCbCr too |
| [00:00:33] | kormoc: | I guess I just don't quite understand what format is the surface's native format, I figured that was the internal format and not something I could process on |
| [00:01:06] | kormoc: | ugh... I think it's largely a case of I have a lot of learning to do :) |
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| [00:02:46] | gbee: | kormoc: it could be a range of image formats, offhand I couldn't list them – variations on RGBA, YCbCR mostly |
| [00:03:13] | kormoc: | Rgr, thanks for the pointer, I'll dig into what those are a bit more ;) |
| [00:05:04] | gbee: | I'd guess that there are methods to get the exact format being used for that surface, which takes out the guesswork, or you've got the second method which always returns YCbCr, you can convert tham to the format you need, QT (QImage/QPixmap) has methods but there may be faster ways |
| [00:05:23] | ** kormoc nods ** | |
| [00:06:54] | gbee: | RGBA is probably the one you'd be most familiar with – a Red, Green, Blue, Alpha – vs Luma, Chroma blue, Chroma Red |
| [00:08:24] | gbee: | but it's not really that important or relevant, you just need to worry about converting to the format used by the edge detection algo |
| [00:08:50] | ** kormoc nods ** | |
| [00:08:51] | iamlindoro: | I played with trying to apply the 4:4:4 chroma upscaling yesterday but only managed to crash my GPU, so it was either my tinkering, or it's not ready yet, or both :) |
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| [00:18:49] | ^Zunni^: | ok stupid question, can you configure Myth or an Xbox360 to stream live TV (or myth recordings) through the Xbox? |
| [00:19:18] | ^Zunni^: | It currently sees the shared Samba drive and I can view those vids but that's not what I thought UPnP was about... |
| [00:19:52] | iamlindoro: | Xbox 360 upnp can see some things from the mythbox, but it cannot play mpeg-2 or NUV so it's 100% useless for live TV or recordings |
| [00:20:11] | ^Zunni^: | boourns :) |
| [00:20:24] | ^Zunni^: | thanks though... |
| [00:20:33] | iamlindoro: | you are welcome |
| [00:20:53] | iamlindoro: | It's a pointless limitation, they already play DVDs so there's no reason not to allow it via uPnP |
| [00:21:15] | iamlindoro: | they also play stuff recorded in media center, so they've either totally insanely overlooked it, or there's something they're trying to protect |
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| [00:21:29] | Fleg: | Hi All! Is it possible to use MythTV without TV card only IR remote controlled video player or are there better alternatives for that? |
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| [00:24:43] | ^Zunni^: | I know one of the imports is via Firewire... but other than that I think it's only TV cards |
| [00:25:00] | jams: | Fleg- yes it's possible but Freevo,elisa,or geexbox may be worth looking into if don't need PVR abilities. |
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| [00:28:35] | gbee: | ^Zunni^: iptv and a host of other options including hdhomerun, hdpvr and usb devices that could loosely be described as TV cards but which aren't card form |
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| [00:29:54] | ^Zunni^: | ahh kk learning new things :) |
| [00:31:29] | gbee: | Fleg: it's possible, but the non tv/recording aspects of mythtv are weaker currently, there are other apps maybe better suited for your purposes at least for the moment, longer term the video, music, gallery elements of MythTV will be getting a lot of work done |
| [00:32:07] | iamlindoro: | Like trailers. I hear you can play trailers for your movie in Mythvideo now ;) |
| [00:32:16] | iamlindoro: | Oh wait, only at my house ;) |
| [00:32:36] | ** fuxxy goes to iamlindoro's house ** | |
| [00:32:48] | ** fuxxy trips on a network cable. ** | |
| [00:32:52] | gbee: | right now it's not that they lack features, far from it, just that the UI isn't as great or as cohesive as it might be, MythTV is first and foremost a high-end PVR application with the ability to do video, music etc |
| [00:33:03] | iamlindoro: | Pffffft, no loose cables at my house |
| [00:33:07] | fuxxy: | :) |
| [00:33:20] | gbee: | iamlindoro: we'll get your patch in ;) |
| [00:33:40] | Fleg: | gbee: I'm using Xine and Oxine now. Can you sugest some video center? |
| [00:33:43] | iamlindoro: | gbee: I know, I can be patient (besides, I already get to play with it) |
| [00:34:10] | gbee: | Fleg: I can't since I've not tried any of them, but I'm sure others here can |
| [00:34:12] | iamlindoro: | gbee: Can't call it truly finished until the cover art file browser gets fixed so that I can use same for trailers |
| [00:34:41] | gbee: | I'd shy away from Elisa – it's designed to sell codecs |
| [00:34:53] | iamlindoro: | and crashy crashy from what I hear |
| [00:35:09] | gbee: | iamlindoro: I'll sort that out soon hopefully |
| [00:35:24] | iamlindoro: | XBMC is flashy looking but their player is awful and fairly large portions are of dubious legality |
| [00:35:34] | iamlindoro: | But at least there's lots of support out there for it |
| [00:36:39] | gbee: | flash over substance some people have said, but I've no personal experience beyond seeing it in action at LRL |
| [00:36:49] | fuxxy: | iamlindoro, I'm sure you've seen this picture before: http://regmedia.co.uk/2002/10/24/920.jpg |
| [00:37:06] | iamlindoro: | Ah, clever's house |
| [00:37:37] | fuxxy: | Speaking of clever, I wonder if he got his ram situation figured out? |
| [00:38:16] | fuxxy: | I was gonna send him a spare P4 2.8Ghz socket 478 proc I have laying around in addition to the ram. |
| [00:38:19] | iamlindoro: | I hear XBMC is implementing mythbackend in 1731 lines of perl |
| [00:38:26] | iamlindoro: | Don't give clever more stuff |
| [00:38:36] | iamlindoro: | He needs incentives for getting a JOB |
| [00:38:43] | fuxxy: | hah! |
| [00:39:16] | iamlindoro: | In fact, put on a gas mask and rob his house |
| [00:39:41] | iamlindoro: | take away all his precious computers |
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| [00:39:55] | fuxxy: | mmmmmm:http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/video/ins . . . s/cables.jpg |
| [00:40:22] | Dagmar: | Well, that's like some kinda porno there |
| [00:40:33] | fuxxy: | Too bad they're Dell's |
| [00:40:48] | Dagmar: | Yeah I was just thinking that |
| [00:40:54] | fuxxy: | at least the ones sticking out the rack are. |
| [00:41:05] | Dagmar: | I will probably have to resort to murdering a few coworkers hee so the rest will start doing neat cabling jobs |
| [00:41:39] | Dagmar: | Although what the hell is with their cooling? |
| [00:41:57] | Dagmar: | No raised floor, no alternating rows == cooling FAIL |
| [00:42:24] | Dagmar: | I guess that would be why they've got machines spaced 1U apart. |
| [00:42:32] | Dagmar: | ...and on bloody shelves |
| [00:42:54] | wagnerrp: | yeah, ive been thinking of rotating every other rack at work |
| [00:43:09] | Dagmar: | Oh no that's not the right way to go |
| [00:43:10] | wagnerrp: | but considering we have no real strategy for cooling, rather than just cranking up the AC |
| [00:43:36] | Dagmar: | If you've got raised flooring (because you're in a "real" DC) you want every other aisle to be a hot row, or a cold row. |
| [00:43:51] | Dagmar: | Cold rows get all the perf files, and machines should face inwards on both sides |
| [00:44:06] | fuxxy: | dagar, Next time I go into houston, I'll snap some pics of my company's server room. |
| [00:44:09] | Dagmar: | i.e., cold air comes out of floor into cold row, goes through machines, comes out in "hot" row |
| [00:44:22] | Dagmar: | s/perf files/perf tiles/; |
| [00:44:22] | wagnerrp: | well i would block and redirect cooling ducts as necessary towards the cold rows |
| [00:44:26] | Dagmar: | i.e., perforated tiles |
| [00:44:49] | Dagmar: | Our facility here would effing melt if we weren't doing this |
| [00:45:12] | wagnerrp: | thats the other thing, theres just a box running down the center of the room with cold air, any HVAC person would vomit at the sight of our setup |
| [00:45:25] | Dagmar: | We've got piles of enclosed 42U shark racks, and they are fully populated. No "venting space" between the machines. |
| [00:45:35] | wagnerrp: | the only other cooling is a cooling vent on the side wall from the second AC |
| [00:46:05] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: Sounds like you could engineer two cold rows then |
| [00:46:43] | fuxxy: | another shot of clever's house: http://regmedia.co.uk/2002/10/08/891.jpg |
| [00:46:49] | wagnerrp: | well we dont really have rows, our 'racks' are 6-ft wide generic wireframe shelving units |
| [00:47:17] | Dagmar: | Ah |
| [00:47:20] | wagnerrp: | and theres four on each side of the main duct, with another three along the wall |
| [00:47:36] | wagnerrp: | with generic 'desktop' form factor cases |
| [00:48:00] | wagnerrp: | 11 per 6-ft shelf, 6 shelves per rack |
| [00:48:02] | wagnerrp: | 11 racks |
| [00:48:20] | Dagmar: | I guess that's a "do the best you can" situation then |
| [00:48:34] | Dagmar: | Maybe buy some smartCDUs and put thermal sensors on them |
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| [00:48:43] | wagnerrp: | honestly, when our AC works, its usually fine |
| [00:49:07] | wagnerrp: | but we have an old unit, cannibalized from a now non-existent building on campus |
| [00:49:16] | wagnerrp: | temporary structure actually |
| [00:50:01] | wagnerrp: | for years now, ive been bitching to our admin to make the thermal sensors available |
| [00:50:15] | wagnerrp: | turns out he just did a 'acpi=off' in the pxelinux config |
| [00:51:07] | Dagmar: | Oh, no. I'm talking about stuff like this: http://servertech.com/Portals/0/products/pdf/SmartCDUCS-21V.pdf |
| [00:51:20] | wagnerrp: | so ive modified a couple machines, and have been experimenting with some monitoring and wake-on-demand program im writing |
| [00:51:41] | Dagmar: | We don't use that specific model, but we've got two units very similar to those in each and every 42U rack so we've got three branches with redundant power. |
| [00:51:48] | wagnerrp: | i know what youre talking about, but were adverse to spending money if it doesnt come with additional memory and processing capacity |
| [00:52:26] | Dagmar: | One of the SmartCDUs in each rack has two thermal/humidity sensors in it, one mounted at the bottom front and one mounted at the rear back |
| [00:52:47] | Dagmar: | We no wait got that backwards, intake is at the top, exhaust is at the bottom |
| [00:53:25] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: You could be like a certain high-performance computing cluster group I know of that has had another major issue stemming from the electric company bouncing the power, again |
| [00:53:43] | Dagmar: | Their admins spent a good part of the weekend tryint to figure out which of 1,000 NICs was malfunctioning |
| [00:53:53] | wagnerrp: | thats another thing |
| [00:54:13] | wagnerrp: | we buy the cheapest netgear gbit switches we can find |
| [00:54:15] | Dagmar: | Why do they not have UPSes at the bottom of each rack just to survive long enough to shutdown the nodes? "Because it would be too expensive" |
| [00:54:33] | Dagmar: | The first time it happened they lost 22 days of work. |
| [00:54:55] | Dagmar: | I think I can pretty much justify buying a 4U UPS unit to stick in the bottom of each of those racks from that incident alone. |
| [00:54:56] | wagnerrp: | our array is backed |
| [00:55:06] | wagnerrp: | but the nodes themselves either have no hard drive |
| [00:55:16] | Dagmar: | Same here |
| [00:55:16] | wagnerrp: | or have a small 80GB disk for temp storage |
| [00:55:35] | Dagmar: | THis is why it just kills me they won't spring for enough UPS power to keep the things going long enough to sign out and shut down |
| [00:56:29] | wagnerrp: | any data we would lose in a power failure is not worthwhile data anyway |
| [00:56:56] | wagnerrp: | because even if we had the chance to properly shut down, any data we may have been gathering would be discarded anyway |
| [00:57:54] | wagnerrp: | our admin bought a UPS a few years back for the backend machines |
| [00:58:03] | wagnerrp: | but after an extended outage a few months back |
| [00:58:18] | wagnerrp: | and the next day when i arrived, and tried to bring everything back online |
| [00:58:29] | wagnerrp: | i discovered he had never actually set it up to shut things down |
| [00:59:08] | wagnerrp: | so power went out, and the machines just kept running until the UPS ran dry |
| [00:59:15] | wagnerrp: | at which point the whole thing ate itself |
| [00:59:28] | Dagmar: | Wow. |
| [00:59:37] | Dagmar: | Now that's some incompetence |
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| [00:59:56] | Dagmar: | Even my s**t at home does a hasty shutdown when it gets word the UPSes are no longer seeing power |
| [01:00:21] | wagnerrp: | i installed NUT that day on all the machines connected to the UPS |
| [01:00:46] | wagnerrp: | was testing it out, and apparently it goes critical immediately upon disconnect |
| [01:00:53] | wagnerrp: | i suppose the UPS is a bit undersized |
| [01:01:09] | Dagmar: | Hey, so long as it can at least order an orderly shutdown |
| [01:02:49] | Dagmar: | Mine won't reliably last 10 minutes at home, but they'll do 5 which is enough to do an orderly shutdown |
| [01:03:03] | Dagmar: | They wait a whole 30 seconds before starting it. |
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| [01:13:04] | sphery: | iamlindoro: in theory you can use free to figure out how much RAM is really being used for your video card (total installed RAM – total Mem gives amount dedicated to video card). Or, on mine (with not-alpha-NVIDIA drivers), this works: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep 'NVIDIA.*Memory' |
| [01:14:03] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, Yeah, There's a BIOS bug at hand here, I got it to switch back for ONE reboot, and now it's insisting on 512 no matter what I do-- I got bored and just let it go |
| [01:14:28] | sphery: | heh, so the tests weren't so useful, then |
| [01:14:32] | RyeBrye: | Any opinions on this? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889253139 I'm probably going to get it tomorrow or my wife – it's thin bezel means it will fit in our existing cabinet upstairs – I'll have a frontend attached to it |
| [01:14:34] | sphery: | updated BIOS available? |
| [01:14:56] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, maybe, It's a *really* new board so I guess that increases the chances of there being some update |
| [01:15:17] | sphery: | RyeBrye: big decision: get a TV or get a wife... |
| [01:15:18] | iamlindoro__: | Right now I'm sorta blehhhhh so I might go looking in a bit |
| [01:15:24] | RyeBrye: | :) |
| [01:15:28] | RyeBrye: | s/or/for/ |
| [01:15:39] | sphery: | oh, I see |
| [01:15:42] | iamlindoro__: | Ah, the technology we buy "for" our significatnt others |
| [01:15:46] | iamlindoro__: | suuuuure |
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| [01:16:09] | RyeBrye: | Well... ok – for the sake of honesty, she just wanted some piece of crap 32" and she'd probably be happy :) |
| [01:16:10] | iamlindoro__: | "Hey baby, I got you that 62 inch plasma TV I... You've been wanting!" |
| [01:16:15] | sphery: | RyeBrye: not owning an LCD display, I can say I wouldn't get one unless it's a 120Hz |
| [01:16:36] | RyeBrye: | Are 60Hz screens really that bad? |
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| [01:16:50] | wagnerrp: | do they make nice panels that can handle 120Hz? |
| [01:17:06] | wagnerrp: | usually the high rate panels are TN |
| [01:17:18] | fuxxy: | haha, mythfrontend, mythcommflag, mythfilldatabase all running at the same time |
| [01:17:20] | sphery: | RyeBrye: http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entertainment . . . n-290237.php |
| [01:17:49] | sphery: | it's not handling 120Hz input, it's using 120Hz output (so that it's 2x any input) |
| [01:18:17] | sphery: | RyeBrye: I can't tell if that's a 120Hz display, but usually they talk it up pretty significantly if it is. |
| [01:19:17] | Dagmar: | Because they know very little else to talk about |
| [01:19:55] | iamlindoro__: | The critique I've heard of the 120Hz LCDs is that it makes everything look kinda like news footage... just something "off" about it |
| [01:20:30] | iamlindoro__: | But that may only apply to their weird adaptive frame doubling features |
| [01:20:37] | Dagmar: | Probably so |
| [01:20:47] | RyeBrye: | Yeah, sphery – that isn't a 120Hz display. It's a normal 60Hz panel – but the panel does have 8ms response time at least and 10-bit color... and some Toshiba-magic CineSpeed thing that is supposed to reduce blur |
| [01:20:56] | fuxxy: | sphery, I'm in your boat. I really can't tell the difference between 60HZ, and 120Hz. even in otherwise identical samsung models. |
| [01:21:00] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i have a friend who complained about the eerily smooth tvs last time he went looking |
| [01:21:26] | RyeBrye: | Dunno... It's not going to be my primary "good" TV – it's just got to fill the role of being a "crappy second TV to watch while we are too lazy to go downstairs to watch the big one" |
| [01:21:40] | fuxxy: | I'll be in the market for my first LCD around Feb. |
| [01:21:42] | sphery: | iamlindoro__: yeah, the frame doubling stuff is broken--the black/faded frame works better, but they're all going to the doubling approach, now, so they don't reduce brightness |
| [01:22:28] | RyeBrye: | sphery – can you drive them at 120hz from a pc input signal? couldn't the black / faded frame be done in software and spit out to the TV? |
| [01:22:57] | sphery: | I haven't seen one that takes 120Hz input at HDTV res's, but that doesn't mean they don't exist |
| [01:23:10] | Dagmar: | That would be a "monitor" |
| [01:23:11] | RyeBrye: | I saw a plasma that did 480Hz I think |
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| [01:23:29] | Dagmar: | You're not going to find equipment sold as a TV that'll do 120Hz like that because no one's input media does 120fps. |
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| [01:23:47] | fuxxy: | Dagmar, quake3! |
| [01:23:56] | RyeBrye: | Crysis! |
| [01:23:58] | RyeBrye: | oh... wait... |
| [01:24:33] | RyeBrye: | Well... for a second TV competing against bargain basement vizio panels – that toshiba doesn't seem like that bad an option, does it? |
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| [01:26:36] | sphery: | MS just demo'ed their new WARP (basically allowing DirectX on CPU for when the GPU sucks) and got 5.69fps at 800x600 in Crysis with a quad-core Penryn. Intel's DX10 IGP got 5.17FPS. :) |
| [01:27:02] | Dagmar: | lol |
| [01:27:41] | RyeBrye: | Cool... maybe they can use that in WINE then ;) |
| [01:27:42] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, I like how when the whole world started ridiculing them about those specs they came back with "Umm... this is just so you can write directX 10 stuff and not worry about if they have a DX10 video card!" |
| [01:28:05] | swat4200: | while i understand most people use mythtv to handle recording tv, i want to build a myth tv box to hold my avi's i've got and play them when i wish, would mythtv be the answer for something remote driven which will allow me to handle easy way to play my collection of videos |
| [01:28:07] | sphery: | lol, I guess the devs won't worry--but the users will |
| [01:28:47] | sphery: | swat4200: IMHO, if you're not doing TV, there are many easier-to-use/easier-to-configure solutions other than Myth. |
| [01:28:54] | Dagmar: | swat4200: You can already do that without myth. |
| [01:29:01] | Dagmar: | Myth is a *bad fit* for what you're wanting. |
| [01:29:35] | swat4200: | but the question is not that i can but how can i do this with a remote so my wife can access them with no keyboard as a avi server ...wouldnt myth tv allow easier menu system? |
| [01:29:56] | Dagmar: | No. |
| [01:30:02] | RyeBrye: | swat4200 – I know most people use a car for driving small groups to work, but I want to use a car to transport large quantities of milk around town... |
| [01:30:20] | swat4200: | is there something you know that would work for me |
| [01:30:21] | RyeBrye: | same kind of thing... use a milk truck, not a car... or in this case, use xbmc or something, not myth |
| [01:30:36] | Dagmar: | xbmc would be way better for this purpose |
| [01:30:43] | wagnerrp: | awesome! '.docx' files! |
| [01:30:52] | sphery: | what about Freevo or Elisa or ... ? |
| [01:30:58] | RyeBrye: | does docx diff better than normal doc files? |
| [01:30:59] | swat4200: | sweet thanks guys |
| [01:31:00] | wagnerrp: | leave it to microsoft to make an incompatible file format in the name of compatibility |
| [01:31:14] | sphery: | (I don't know what's best because I wanted TV, not the rest.) |
| [01:31:32] | wagnerrp: | i suppose thats that OOXML bs? |
| [01:31:33] | RyeBrye: | One guy I work with insists on using word for basic project docs whose only formatting is indenting text |
| [01:32:08] | sphery: | RyeBrye: but doe those docs contain "words"? I rest my point. |
| [01:32:17] | sphery: | sarcasm ^^^ |
| [01:32:30] | fuxxy: | I wonder what the max cable length for DVI/VGA/HDMI is, respectively. |
| [01:32:47] | RyeBrye: | sphery – good point. I should rename a text editor and send it to him and call it "Sentences" and tell him it is a higher level editor than word |
| [01:32:54] | sphery: | longer with VGA, about the same for DVI/HDMI (assuming good quality) |
| [01:33:19] | sphery: | If you make your own DVI/HDMI using coaxial cable rather than twisted pair, though, you could probably go /much/ longer than VGA |
| [01:33:31] | fuxxy: | I"m thinking of running DVI and HDMI wall plate together. |
| [01:33:44] | fuxxy: | I'm trying to plan out my living room |
| [01:33:55] | wagnerrp: | i would imagine if you made your own DVI/HDMI cable out of coax, it wouldnt be worth crap |
| [01:34:08] | wagnerrp: | considering that they transmit a balanced signal |
| [01:34:10] | Guest3497: | the mythweb flash player won't play .nuv recordings, just .mpg? |
| [01:34:44] | iamlindoro__: | the flash play will play anything your copy of ffmpeg can transcode to flv video and mp3 audio |
| [01:34:50] | sphery: | fuxxy: http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/34579/122868.html |
| [01:35:09] | sphery: | talked about component, specifically, but VGA fits in the same category |
| [01:36:12] | fuxxy: | Meh. |
| [01:36:18] | swat4200: | Wow thanks guys this is so what i wanted ! |
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| [01:36:54] | fuxxy: | I'm just thinking in the bedroom, the wife won't exactly let me put a PC on the dresser |
| [01:37:25] | fuxxy: | it's gotta go in the closet, with about a 20 foot cable run to the TV. |
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| [01:37:35] | Guest3497: | iamlindoro: apt says I have the latest version of ffmpeg |
| [01:38:09] | iamlindoro__: | Guest3497, version means nothing, what's compiled in mean's everything |
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| [01:39:13] | Guest3497: | iamlindoro: the .nuv files also have no thumbnails, but the .mpg ones do, so ffmpeg also creates the thumbnails? |
| [01:39:24] | iamlindoro__: | mythbackend creates thumbnails |
| [01:40:25] | Guest3497: | there must be a correlation though because only the .nuv files arn't playable, and they are also the ones without solid-color thumbnail images. |
| [01:40:27] | fuxxy: | The el-cheapo vizio LCD tv I'm gonna buy for the bedroom apparently only has a VGA input |
| [01:40:44] | Guest3497: | with solid-color |
| [01:40:53] | fuxxy: | No, it's got HDMI also. |
| [01:40:55] | ** sphery wonders why the Levis commercial that shows a guy flying around after filling his shirt/jeans with Helium says, "Do not attempt." ** | |
| [01:40:55] | iamlindoro__: | Are you using some old version of myth? |
| [01:40:58] | RyeBrye: | fuxxy – which cheapy vizio? |
| [01:41:14] | iamlindoro__: | There was a brief period where NUV thumbnail generation was broken IIRC |
| [01:41:14] | sphery: | There's obviously not enough helium to actually do anything, so why not let people attempt. |
| [01:41:15] | fuxxy: | RyeBrye, just one I saw at wal-mart. 22" widescreen for about $300 |
| [01:41:22] | iamlindoro__: | but no, thumbnails and ffmpeg have nothing to do with one another |
| [01:41:25] | Guest3497: | nah its .21 |
| [01:41:34] | iamlindoro__: | There is absolutely no correlation whatsoever |
| [01:41:39] | fuxxy: | although, at $300, I can buy a decent computer LCD with a fair response time. |
| [01:42:06] | fuxxy: | the only problem is audio. Probably no speakers on the LCD computer monitor. |
| [01:42:41] | sphery: | you'd be stuck using good speakers, then. :( |
| [01:42:47] | RyeBrye: | lol |
| [01:43:35] | sphery: | Guest3497: you won't get thumbnails if you build your backend with --disable-frontend (which you can't do anymore unless you're hacking things you shouldn't be hacking) |
| [01:43:47] | fuxxy: | I'd still be using stereo speakers. I've got a klipsch ProMedia 2.1 set that I'd most likely use for this purpose. |
| [01:43:59] | sphery: | I was thinking there's another --disable that will cause thumbnail generation to fail, but can't remember which |
| [01:44:15] | RyeBrye: | --disable-random-shit I think |
| [01:44:20] | RyeBrye: | it just randomly disables features ;) |
| [01:44:27] | iamlindoro__: | --surprise-me |
| [01:44:35] | sphery: | fuxxy: yeah, just saying that the speakers in most TV's are not very good |
| [01:44:36] | RyeBrye: | ./configure --with-random-options |
| [01:44:40] | Guest3497: | sphery: thumbnails for .mpeg videos are okay. its just the .nuv ones that show as solid color. |
| [01:45:17] | sphery: | are all recordings on the same backend (recorded by the same backend)? |
| [01:45:26] | sphery: | what color is the solid color? |
| [01:45:40] | fuxxy: | sphery, but then the wife will have to deal with a subwoofer on the floor :) |
| [01:46:06] | Guest3497: | bluish or brownish, each thumbnail is different |
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| [01:49:15] | sphery: | Guest3497: I'm pretty sure I've heard of someone having the same issue and it was a tiny little thing that was wrong, but I don't remember details (and want dinner more than I want to spend a couple hours looking for references :) |
| [01:49:33] | sphery: | pretty sure, though, that it was discussed on the -users list |
| [01:50:08] | RyeBrye: | Hmm.... did nvidia make any AGP 8x 8 or 9 series cards? I guess I can't get VDPAU to work on my old box if I can't find any AGP cards to put in it :( |
| [01:50:23] | Guest3497: | sphery: http://imagebin.org/32593 |
| [01:50:29] | fuxxy: | RyeBrye, 7XXX was the last series I remember |
| [01:50:51] | RyeBrye: | fuxxy – yeah, and only some 8 series and all 9 series cards are supported in VDPAU :( Oh well... |
| [01:51:10] | sphery: | some are getting PCI cards, though I think that's a mistake |
| [01:51:23] | RyeBrye: | AGP > PCI isn't it? |
| [01:51:26] | sphery: | (especially if they don't wait to see how the bandwidth issue shakes out) |
| [01:51:35] | sphery: | yeah, PCI is slow in comparison |
| [01:51:37] | iamlindoro__: | RyeBrye, but PCI = still manufactured on mobos |
| [01:51:41] | RyeBrye: | true |
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| [01:56:06] | fuxxy: | I guess I need to go with HDMI+RJ45 wal plate. |
| [01:56:51] | fuxxy: | unless the TV I buy doesn't have HDMI |
| [01:56:53] | fuxxy: | grrr. |
| [01:57:12] | fuxxy: | hell, at the very least, i'll put a GPU with DVI in the box. |
| [01:57:23] | fuxxy: | expensive cable, but at least i won't have to re-run cables. |
| [01:58:09] | fuxxy: | I wonder why dual HDMI's are so popular? |
| [01:59:21] | wagnerrp: | oof... my backend inexplicably died about an hour and a half ago |
| [01:59:29] | wagnerrp: | no error in the backend, nothing |
| [01:59:38] | fuxxy: | wagnerrp, welcome to my world :) |
| [01:59:49] | fuxxy: | wagnerrp, i'm getting ready to throw it in xinetd |
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| [02:01:34] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp: what happened to it? |
| [02:01:43] | wagnerrp: | it stopped running |
| [02:02:07] | sphery: | just the backend process or the whole system? |
| [02:02:09] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp: doesn't even boot, or mythbackend doesn't run? |
| [02:02:37] | wagnerrp: | the process stopped running |
| [02:03:08] | iamlindoro__: | It slowed to a slow jog, then began to walk |
| [02:03:27] | iamlindoro__: | before expiring at the trailside. |
| [02:04:19] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp: what does it report when running it manually? |
| [02:04:54] | wagnerrp: | well i reran it from the init scripts, and its back up and recording just fine |
| [02:05:08] | wagnerrp: | either way, ive got a new root for it almost built |
| [02:05:23] | wagnerrp: | i was just keeping the old one online during tonight's primetime |
| [02:05:35] | wagnerrp: | which i seem to have missed an hour of |
| [02:06:10] | wagnerrp: | oh... whoops! |
| [02:06:46] | ** RyeBrye has expensive tastes :( ** | |
| [02:07:00] | fuxxy: | sphery, http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/12/16/honeywel . . . wall-baluns/ |
| [02:07:01] | wagnerrp: | Dec 1 17:28:15 myth0 Out of memory: kill process 5516 (mythbackend) score 83222 or a child |
| [02:07:05] | RyeBrye: | My "cheap" frontend-only box that I was planning to rely on VDPAU is already up to $500... but $200 of that is a really nice case :) |
| [02:07:12] | RyeBrye: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163081 |
| [02:07:23] | RyeBrye: | Maybe I'll just glue the crap on the back of the TV and go without a case at all ;) |
| [02:07:36] | wagnerrp: | seems i ran out of memory compiling the new mythtv |
| [02:07:37] | Dagmar: | RyeBrye: Yeah, it's kinda a shame that the case makes up so much of the cost of the boxes. |
| [02:07:44] | wagnerrp: | i suppose that woudl explain why it failed compiling |
| [02:07:47] | Dagmar: | I'm rather hoping that over time the cases will get chepaer |
| [02:07:56] | sphery: | wagnerrp: no swap? |
| [02:08:00] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: Damn how much RAM is in that box? |
| [02:08:05] | wagnerrp: | 1GB |
| [02:08:11] | Dagmar: | wtf |
| [02:08:17] | Dagmar: | That doesn't seem right |
| [02:08:18] | wagnerrp: | i usually add swap when compiling |
| [02:08:21] | wagnerrp: | forgot to do so |
| [02:08:24] | Dagmar: | Ah okay |
| [02:08:34] | Dagmar: | ...and you had a bunch of stuff running at the time, I take it? |
| [02:08:41] | sphery: | yeah, with mbe, mythcommflag (guessing) and the compile going, I can see it running out of 1MB |
| [02:08:42] | wagnerrp: | two compile threads |
| [02:08:50] | sphery: | (and, if it's a frontend, too, then definitely) |
| [02:08:57] | RyeBrye: | Frontends are like children at the Milford school... they are not to be seen nor heard |
| [02:08:58] | sphery: | 1GB |
| [02:09:04] | Dagmar: | I usually drop the machine to runlevel 3 (no GUI) for builds just to free up resources |
| [02:09:13] | pyro-god: | anyone know if mythtv will work with the hauppage wintv go plus video capture card? |
| [02:09:16] | wagnerrp: | theres one point about 2/3 through compiling mythtv where you have a batch of objects that take about 500MB each to push through |
| [02:09:20] | sphery: | the 1MB would definitely run out before you could even run mbe/mythcommflag or a compile :) |
| [02:09:34] | Dagmar: | pyro-god: It'll work, but if it's a framegrabber it won't be happy |
| [02:09:40] | wagnerrp: | both of those, plus the 250MB or so mythbackend/mythfrontend/X were taking put it over |
| [02:09:53] | iamlindoro__: | Mmmm, Myth with 8 year old tuners, yummy |
| [02:10:16] | sphery: | this is not your father's Myth... It's probably the Myth your grandfather was using. |
| [02:10:29] | wagnerrp: | guess im watching chuck/terminator on hulu tonight |
| [02:10:31] | sphery: | (meaning that's old for a capture card) |
| [02:11:02] | iamlindoro__: | You have to connect the Tv signal to that capture card with a couble of screws |
| [02:11:08] | iamlindoro__: | couple |
| [02:11:12] | Dagmar: | heheh |
| [02:11:19] | iamlindoro__: | And select "TV->GAME" |
| [02:11:25] | kormoc: | some chicken wire and some spit never hurt anything! |
| [02:12:19] | iamlindoro__: | I'm sure they're great cards, clever probably has a half-dozen of them |
| [02:13:03] | iamlindoro__: | In truth I built my first mythbox with the original WinTV board IIRC, but that was... some time ago |
| [02:13:28] | kormoc: | iamlindoro__, careful, you might summon the kid |
| [02:13:39] | iamlindoro__: | heh, and we'll never hear the end of it |
| [02:14:32] | Dagmar: | They're good for _watching_ TV. |
| [02:14:40] | Dagmar: | For _recording_ TV, they are obsolete. |
| [02:15:48] | iamlindoro__: | This is like the guy who was angry about the $20 card he bought "for VDPAU" not working on day one |
| [02:16:17] | iamlindoro__: | People seem not to get that $20 of card gets you $20 of function |
| [02:16:54] | leprechau: | pyro-god, get a pvr150 you can find them really cheap and you will be a WHOLE lot happier |
| [02:18:33] | sphery: | YL: "They [EIA-708 captions] remain horribly broken." Nice of him to completely ignore the fact that they work for some. |
| [02:19:28] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, Stop being so wrong headed |
| [02:19:56] | sphery: | iamlindoro__: lol... Here's one for you, "Can the Windows MythTV project use PureVideo?" |
| [02:20:19] | sphery: | (Brad didn't recognize the "Windows" in the subject.) |
| [02:20:23] | Dagmar: | LIfe's easier when you just ignore those people |
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| [02:21:18] | sphery: | at least now I'm not responding on the list to him (which just gets him riled up) |
| [02:21:24] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, It seems like he was suggesting that rather than windows, they use linux + vdpau |
| [02:21:55] | sphery: | could be |
| [02:22:18] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, TBH I don't actually know the answer myself-- I assume if purevideo is part of directX render that yes it could |
| [02:22:35] | sphery: | yeah, just thought you'd like it because of the PV word |
| [02:22:44] | sphery: | (words?) |
| [02:23:15] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, Well at least it wasn't "Why doesn't my purevideo card work in linux ya big JERKS" this time |
| [02:23:25] | sphery: | true |
| [02:23:31] | sphery: | seen enough of that |
| [02:24:35] | sphery: | Amazing, too, how many people's myth boxes quit working overnight when NVIDIA announced VDPAU. Yesterday the box did what they wanted, today, "Stupid NVIDIA is making me buy a new video card." \??? |
| [02:25:20] | sphery: | guess there must have been some kind of virus in the e-mail nvidia sent as that's the only way I could explain their frontends just failing to work after receiving that e-mail |
| [02:26:19] | iamlindoro__: | I must admit that when the first Mini ITX 9300 board shows up I will look enviously at it, although I am all set for now |
| [02:26:30] | iamlindoro__: | If the price were right... |
| [02:26:42] | iamlindoro__: | (*and* I could passively cool the processor) |
| [02:26:46] | RyeBrye: | There are a lot of mini ITX 9300 boards out now, aren't there? |
| [02:26:54] | iamlindoro__: | nope, none whatsoever yet. |
| [02:26:57] | RyeBrye: | or rather, micro ITX |
| [02:27:04] | RyeBrye: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131348 ? |
| [02:27:06] | iamlindoro__: | micro ATX |
| [02:27:11] | RyeBrye: | Ah |
| [02:27:39] | iamlindoro__: | versus this tiny devil: http://minicomputerworld.com/mini-motherboard . . . -motherboard |
| [02:27:45] | iamlindoro__: | Think apple TV sized |
| [02:27:57] | RyeBrye: | cool. |
| [02:28:11] | RyeBrye: | maybe not Apple TV-heat though :) |
| [02:28:17] | iamlindoro__: | Yeah, probably not :) |
| [02:28:25] | RyeBrye: | I think I could use my AppleTV as a bed warmer |
| [02:28:29] | iamlindoro__: | Anyone see the new Sage HD extender? talk about beat with the ugly stick |
| [02:28:32] | RyeBrye: | although it woudl probably catch fire |
| [02:28:52] | iamlindoro__: | http://www.geektonic.com/2008/11/sagetv-hd-th . . . acement.html |
| [02:29:03] | iamlindoro__: | Also see "soon to be sued by apple for icon theft" |
| [02:29:05] | tjcarter: | RyeBrye: I still want nuv and rtjpeg codecs for QuickTime and a native Mac frontend that uses accellerated APIs ;) |
| [02:29:16] | RyeBrye: | yeah, me too :) |
| [02:29:26] | RyeBrye: | tjcarter – are you using myth on your appletV? |
| [02:29:40] | RyeBrye: | My appleTV has been sitting doing next to nothing but generate heat for about 8 months now |
| [02:29:45] | tjcarter: | I don't have a TV, so I don't have an appleTV |
| [02:29:56] | iamlindoro__: | RyeBrye, BTW, that board you linked is in the system I'm typing on :) I like it a lot so far |
| [02:29:59] | tjcarter: | I'd be more likely to put TVOS on a minimac |
| [02:30:44] | tjcarter: | iamlindoro__: that's pretty blatant |
| [02:30:52] | jpabq: | iamlindoro__, got my Gigabyte 9400 board. Can't touch the northbridge without burning my finger, but gkrellm is only reporting temps in the 40–50c range. |
| [02:31:13] | RyeBrye: | yeah... I think the linux sensors programs might be a little fUx0red with some sensors |
| [02:31:21] | iamlindoro__: | tjcarter, yeah, I don't get how they can afford to manufacture hardware but not to pay someone to draw an icon |
| [02:31:34] | tjcarter: | heh |
| [02:31:35] | RyeBrye: | like... my CPU sensors on my 9550 were always really low – then i saw in my dmesg one day that one of my cores was shutting down because it was too hot... |
| [02:31:52] | iamlindoro__: | jpabq, So couldn't resist throwing it together, huh? :) |
| [02:32:11] | jpabq: | Hey, it works.... |
| [02:32:17] | RyeBrye: | I wonder if I could take an old DVD player and use it as a case |
| [02:32:54] | RyeBrye: | I guess the cheapest frontends are probably full ATX size |
| [02:33:04] | jpabq: | I did put new paste on the NB. As hot as the NB heatsink gets, I would say it is definitely drawing heat away from the chip. Scary how hot that chip gets, though. |
| [02:34:01] | jpabq: | My memory is CAS4, but that board says the BIOS is corrupt if I try and run it at CAS4. I guess CAS5 will have to do for now. |
| [02:34:36] | iamlindoro__: | jpabq, I have one fan I need to replace with a variable speed but otherwise an very happy |
| [02:34:42] | iamlindoro__: | (and that's on the case, not the mobo) |
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| [02:35:58] | jpabq: | I have an Antec Fusion case (one of the original ones). I replace the two case fans with PWM fans, and went with a fan-less ninja-mini for the CPU. |
| [02:36:57] | fuxxy: | jpabq, I just run the two case fans on medium. No noise at all |
| [02:37:23] | jpabq: | I have not tried VDPAU yet. |
| [02:37:59] | jpabq: | fuxxy, yeah, it is a nice quiet case. |
| [02:38:12] | jpabq: | I need a quieter hard drive in it! |
| [02:38:47] | fuxxy: | jpabq, sadly, I'm running four drives in mine. |
| [02:39:02] | fuxxy: | jpabq, one system drive, and a 3 disk raid5 for recordings. |
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| [02:40:06] | jpabq: | fuxxy, My office has my mythbackend: 12 hard drives. |
| [02:40:27] | fuxxy: | jpabq, nice. Have you gotten the ir reciever and volume knob working? |
| [02:41:19] | fuxxy: | Oh, first gen didn't have an ir receiver did it? |
| [02:41:30] | jams: | fuxxy- correct |
| [02:41:40] | jpabq: | My Fusion is one of the original ones that did not come with IR. I had to get a serial ir and mount it myself. I have not bothered with the knob. |
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| [02:43:43] | iamlindoro__: | I have a HTPC case here with parallel port LCD, that was ugly to make work |
| [02:44:18] | iamlindoro__: | It's amazing how much I paid for it given how repulsive it is by modern standards :) |
| [02:50:13] | fuxxy: | I havent gotten my VFD working, nor do I plan to. It only distracts my attention away from the TV. |
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| [02:55:17] | iamlindoro__: | So my local target broke street date on The Dark Knight |
| [02:55:33] | Dagmar: | onoes! |
| [02:55:40] | iamlindoro__: | I picked up a copy while there today-- This is *the best* looking films I've ever seen on disk |
| [02:55:51] | iamlindoro__: | er film |
| [02:56:35] | iamlindoro__: | Like... astonishingly good. Haven't tried it in AnyDVD/Myth yet, just on the PS3, but it's jaw-dropping |
| [02:56:38] | wagnerrp: | well it was filmed in 8K |
| [02:56:58] | iamlindoro__: | wagnerrp, And they cut in IMAX where appropriate |
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| [03:13:12] | wagnerrp: | so arent people not in-the-loop with the heroes mutations wondering why an eclipse is taking so long? |
| [03:13:23] | iamlindoro__: | lalalalaallalaalal |
| [03:13:28] | iamlindoro__: | four weeks behind lalalaalalalal |
| [03:13:31] | ** Dagmar covers his ears ** | |
| [03:13:45] | wagnerrp: | oh come on, theres two episodes titled 'eclipse' |
| [03:13:55] | Dagmar: | If they make out that it's some kind of goddamn dream segment, I will stop watching. |
| [03:13:59] | wagnerrp: | im not revealing anything about the episode |
| [03:14:21] | wagnerrp: | im just saying to make two episodes, there has to be at least several hours of events |
| [03:14:29] | wagnerrp: | eclipses dont last that long |
| [03:14:32] | iamlindoro__: | I can watch Heroes in VDPAU and pretend I'm watching in analog with rabbit ears |
| [03:14:40] | wagnerrp: | shouldnt the normal people be wondering what is going on? |
| [03:15:17] | fuxxy: | The eclipse is the part where ... :p |
| [03:15:51] | wagnerrp: | theres a new fatass hero, who flies into space and blocks the sun |
| [03:16:11] | fuxxy: | Oh, he's supposed to represent the gluttony of the American culture! |
| [03:18:20] | Dagmar: | ...and the arrogance of people who like to label others. |
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| [03:30:33] | fuxxy: | What? I'm not fat, I'm "fluffy" |
| [03:32:05] | iamlindoro__: | just like c lever isn't lazy, he's motivationally impaired |
| [03:33:05] | Dagmar: | His motivation is fine |
| [03:33:12] | Dagmar: | It's his judgment that's skewed |
| [03:34:27] | clever: | you managed to not hilight me but i still check the room semi often:P |
| [03:34:40] | Dagmar: | HAHA! |
| [03:34:58] | iamlindoro__: | clever, I'm not avoiding highlighting you, I tell yuo what I think of you to your face. |
| [03:35:03] | iamlindoro__: | c is right above space bar |
| [03:35:04] | Dagmar: | Reminder: This is not a "room" and this is not AOL. |
| [03:35:49] | clever: | channel then? |
| [03:36:24] | Dagmar: | Yes, it's a channel because this is IRC. |
| [03:37:06] | clever: | might i ask whats so different between channel and room? |
| [03:37:27] | wagnerrp: | september |
| [03:37:27] | iamlindoro__: | a channel is the thing you tune on TV, a room is a thing I get with your mom |
| [03:37:36] | clever: | lol |
| [03:37:41] | Dagmar: | I wouldn't have put it _that_ way. |
| [03:37:50] | Dagmar: | It's a channel because it's a channel. |
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| [03:38:04] | Dagmar: | The people who made IRC created it with channels, not rooms. |
| [03:38:31] | Dagmar: | Notably, this is not a physical _spacce_. |
| [03:38:45] | clever: | neither are aol 'rooms' :P |
| [03:38:49] | Dagmar: | It's not even a metaphorical space. It's a focus for the broadcast of information. |
| [03:39:01] | Dagmar: | AOL is full of morons. |
| [03:39:22] | clever: | good point:P |
| [03:40:12] | Dagmar: | You might as well have been asking "what's the difference between a car and a wheeled bucket" |
| [03:40:27] | wagnerrp: | or... a skin and a theme |
| [03:40:41] | wagnerrp: | too bad justinh isnt here |
| [03:40:47] | Dagmar: | hehe |
| [03:40:53] | clever: | lol |
| [03:40:57] | clever: | lol |
| [03:45:15] | iamlindoro__: | Hmm... does anyone know if the "How The Grinch Stole Christmas" showing as HD in the listings tonight is actualy an HD remaster? |
| [03:45:49] | Dagmar: | It's a cartoon. |
| [03:45:55] | wagnerrp: | i can check a few hours earlier |
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| [03:46:31] | iamlindoro__: | Dagmar, It's a cartoon painted on cels and transferred to 35 MM. |
| [03:46:42] | iamlindoro__: | wagnerrp, Probably would ahve played a few hours ago for you |
| [03:46:50] | wagnerrp: | its on right now |
| [03:46:55] | Dagmar: | Yes, but the fact remains you could remaster it by feeding it through a tracing utility. |
| [03:47:29] | iamlindoro__: | Dagmar, That doesn't answer the question of whether is *is* remastered or upscaled |
| [03:47:31] | wagnerrp: | ah.... no |
| [03:47:37] | wagnerrp: | its on Family right now, in SD |
| [03:47:49] | clever: | ive seen images fed thru tracing tools and upscaled to the point where firefox consumes 500mb just displaying it:P |
| [03:47:54] | wagnerrp: | its not on ABC (HD) until friday |
| [03:48:06] | iamlindoro__: | wagnerrp, Interesting, I have it at 8 PM tonight in HD on ABC |
| [03:48:34] | iamlindoro__: | But it looks like it was released on HD-DVD so I will assume at some point it's been remastered |
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| [03:48:52] | wagnerrp: | yeah, it was on about 2 hours ago as well |
| [03:49:49] | iamlindoro__: | Ah, never mind, the HD-DVD was that Jim Carrey POS |
| [03:51:23] | wagnerrp: | yeah, tonight was the cartoon, friday is the jim carrey version |
| [03:52:52] | iamlindoro__: | Well, guess I'll find out in 8 minutes or so :) |
| [03:53:09] | iamlindoro__: | er 38 mins |
| [03:54:32] | Dagmar: | Screw that. Find out now, remeber it later. |
| [03:55:04] | iamlindoro__: | I don't think my time/space situation allows for that |
| [03:55:42] | Dagmar: | Sounds like a personal problem to me |
| [03:55:49] | iamlindoro__: | Sounds like a physic problem to *me* |
| [03:55:54] | iamlindoro__: | physics |
| [03:56:18] | Dagmar: | So ask yourself why you can't remember what it will be? |
| [03:56:29] | iamlindoro__: | Curse you, fixed point in the 4th dimension! |
| [03:56:43] | wagnerrp: | isnt it a moving point? |
| [03:56:50] | Dagmar: | Yep |
| [03:57:00] | iamlindoro__: | Depends on your perspective |
| [03:57:07] | Dagmar: | Broaden it a bit |
| [03:57:16] | iamlindoro__: | from the perspective of the person occupying the point, it's always fixed |
| [03:57:29] | wagnerrp: | but then time is passing you by |
| [03:57:30] | iamlindoro__: | for a person outside the timeline, the point is moving |
| [03:57:49] | Dagmar: | For a person in a timeline with less entropy, it will appear to be regressing |
| [03:57:50] | iamlindoro__: | This is the R in TARDIS |
| [03:58:25] | iamlindoro__: | No coincidentally, it's also the R in retarded |
| [03:58:29] | wagnerrp: | you should take the TARDIS and land on Einstein |
| [03:58:30] | iamlindoro__: | s/No/Not/ |
| [03:58:32] | wagnerrp: | damn relativity |
| [03:59:09] | iamlindoro__: | Shouldn't there be a Dr. Who christmas thingie coming up? |
| [03:59:20] | Dagmar: | Either way, in 23 minutes you're there finding out |
| [03:59:43] | iamlindoro__: | Youtube says yes, ah good |
| [03:59:49] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: Yes, but no new season |
| [03:59:58] | Dagmar: | Both Doctor Who and Torchwood are taking a year off |
| [04:00:02] | iamlindoro__: | but 4 x 2 hour specials, yes, I know the sitch |
| [04:00:02] | Dagmar: | DAMN THOSE LIMEYS! |
| [04:00:43] | wagnerrp: | well they do have to find a new doctor |
| [04:00:52] | wagnerrp: | and come up with a way to explain away the old one |
| [04:01:22] | Dagmar: | They need to be more worried about how long it will take me to figure out how to sink their little island to the bottom of the ocean. |
| [04:01:22] | iamlindoro__: | Apparently all signs point to Paterson Joseph |
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| [04:02:05] | wagnerrp: | are they on their own plate? |
| [04:02:37] | Dagmar: | They will be. |
| [04:02:54] | wagnerrp: | seems iceland is actually split in half |
| [04:02:57] | Dagmar: | If I don't have Dr. Who to watch, that frees my time for mad science. |
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| [04:03:01] | wagnerrp: | that will be interesting in a few million years |
| [04:03:15] | iamlindoro__: | You'll get multiple specials spaced strategically |
| [04:07:20] | iamlindoro__: | There's something very satisfying about seeing firefox be more processor intensive than myth playing 1080p material |
| [04:08:01] | wagnerrp: | firefox actually has support for video? |
| [04:08:17] | Dagmar: | The 3.1 branch has video and audio. Ogg even |
| [04:08:22] | wagnerrp: | really... |
| [04:08:22] | iamlindoro__: | Hmm? No, this is just regular browsing |
| [04:08:43] | iamlindoro__: | Myth playing 1080p video on one hand, firefox browsing on the other |
| [04:08:51] | wagnerrp: | i guess that means i wont get media warnings on wikipedia anymore |
| [04:09:07] | wagnerrp: | ive never been able to bring myself to install the java-based players they suggest |
| [04:09:35] | wagnerrp: | something about having to gouge my eyes out first |
| [04:10:38] | Dagmar: | Oh come on |
| [04:10:43] | wagnerrp: | not that its any worse than flash, but at least java had the good sense to fall to obscurity and be unneeded for nearly any task |
| [04:13:33] | Dagmar: | Oh no. |
| [04:13:39] | Dagmar: | Rest assured Java is alive and well. |
| [04:13:50] | Dagmar: | It makes me hate it anew with each passing day. |
| [04:14:15] | wagnerrp: | yeah, my school is replacing their nice Cisco Concentrator with web/java based one |
| [04:14:20] | wagnerrp: | im not looking forward to it |
| [04:14:53] | Dagmar: | We have some surveillance cameras here and the application we're supposed to use to monitor what they see is entirely in Java, and is so kinked up with version-specific eccentricities that we had to turn on firewalling to prevent the machine from EVER trying to upgrade anything, including the Java runtime, or the app completely stops working. |
| [04:15:08] | wagnerrp: | supposedly the client i currently use (vpnc) has some form of support for juniper firewalls |
| [04:15:16] | wagnerrp: | ill need to figure that one out in the near future |
| [04:15:24] | wagnerrp: | s/firewalls/vpns/ |
| [04:15:58] | iamlindoro__: | wagnerrp, I really like the Juniper VPN from work-- makes giving new clients access a snap and simplifies my life administering it immensely |
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| [04:16:26] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro_: i dont deny that it may work well |
| [04:16:51] | wagnerrp: | the problem is that i cannot run a traditional VPN client on my desktop, with roaming profiles, network shares, and all |
| [04:17:03] | wagnerrp: | and i cannot run a VPN that requires a browser on my firewall |
| [04:17:21] | iamlindoro__: | When and if you *do* get a tunnel set up with it, do let me know, I might like to set something like that up here at home |
| [04:17:30] | iamlindoro__: | that is, a tunnel not linked to the browser |
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| [04:18:31] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro__: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/vpnc/devel/1451 |
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| [04:19:06] | wagnerrp: | if i can get vpnc working with it, i already have everything else set up on my firewall |
| [04:19:12] | wagnerrp: | although thats with freebsd/pf |
| [04:19:56] | wagnerrp: | it just opens up a tunnel, and then i add some temporary rules that set up a second NAT through the tunnel |
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| [04:20:18] | iamlindoro__: | Ah, that's the netscreen, I think that's a traditional VPN, I use the SSL VPN |
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| [04:20:31] | wagnerrp: | so there is a difference? thats what i was afraid of |
| [04:21:23] | iamlindoro__: | They make both types, I'm not sure about the netscreen but I believe it's more traditional |
| [04:22:01] | iamlindoro__: | I think Netscreen used to be made by someone else that they bought |
| [04:22:57] | a1fa: | is Athlon XP 4400+ dual core woth anything? |
| [04:22:59] | a1fa: | socket 939 |
| [04:23:19] | Dagmar: | Whatever you can get for it on ebay |
| [04:23:23] | iamlindoro__: | I'm sure it's worth something to someone |
| [04:23:30] | wagnerrp: | $25 on craigslist, maybe $75 if you have board and ram |
| [04:23:34] | a1fa: | haha |
| [04:23:37] | iamlindoro__: | Pretty abstract question |
| [04:23:42] | a1fa: | i mean for playback :( |
| [04:23:44] | a1fa: | damn it dude |
| [04:23:48] | a1fa: | you make things complicated ;) |
| [04:23:53] | iamlindoro__: | Probably fine for Us broadcast |
| [04:23:56] | a1fa: | asking complicated questions.. |
| [04:23:57] | iamlindoro__: | er US |
| [04:24:05] | Dagmar: | I have an answer: http://tinyurl.com/5r4g2h |
| [04:24:05] | a1fa: | would it be capable of handling blue ray? |
| [04:24:14] | wagnerrp: | 4400 is... 2.4GHz 2x1MB cache? |
| [04:24:18] | iamlindoro__: | very unlikely without VDPAU |
| [04:24:18] | a1fa: | yeah |
| [04:24:19] | wagnerrp: | definately not |
| [04:24:28] | a1fa: | sucks |
| [04:24:34] | a1fa: | i must have been asleep for past 5 years |
| [04:24:38] | wagnerrp: | you might be able to handle mpeg2 BRs |
| [04:25:01] | a1fa: | why are these things so demanding |
| [04:25:06] | a1fa: | what happened to good old days |
| [04:25:09] | wagnerrp: | because of the bitrate |
| [04:25:13] | Dagmar: | Because. |
| [04:25:16] | iamlindoro__: | The good old days had ugly TV |
| [04:25:29] | wagnerrp: | the good old days? where you needed an accelerator card to play your DVDs? |
| [04:25:35] | a1fa: | ya |
| [04:25:40] | wagnerrp: | seems weve come back around full circle |
| [04:25:50] | iamlindoro__: | Now we have *dreamyeyes* the Dark Knight in 1080p h.264 mmmmmmm |
| [04:25:53] | a1fa: | so now its back to cpu |
| [04:26:02] | iamlindoro__: | and or GPU |
| [04:26:03] | wagnerrp: | so now its back to accelerator card |
| [04:26:08] | a1fa: | so what do you guys suggest |
| [04:26:13] | a1fa: | AM2 what? |
| [04:26:20] | wagnerrp: | nvidia |
| [04:26:33] | Dagmar: | 4850e should do |
| [04:26:35] | iamlindoro__: | something moderate and wait a bit for VDPAU to mature, or something extremely high end |
| [04:26:35] | a1fa: | in terms of cpu, core, and gpu? |
| [04:26:42] | Dagmar: | We suggest Google. |
| [04:26:46] | a1fa: | :_ |
| [04:26:53] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if you could get a dual core AMD that will handle all BRs |
| [04:27:01] | a1fa: | Dagmar: google doesnt have the easy button |
| [04:27:01] | wagnerrp: | a quad should be able to |
| [04:27:15] | a1fa: | wagnerrp: ok.. but how are stand alone players able to handle that? |
| [04:27:16] | Dagmar: | a1fa: Yes, it does. |
| [04:27:23] | wagnerrp: | ASICs |
| [04:27:25] | a1fa: | Blue Ray* |
| [04:27:34] | ** iamlindoro__ ponders a "your mom has an easy button" joke, thinks better of it ** | |
| [04:27:39] | wagnerrp: | application specific integrated circuit |
| [04:27:48] | a1fa: | accelerator cards? |
| [04:27:53] | wagnerrp: | effectively |
| [04:28:01] | iamlindoro__: | a1fa, GPUs with hardware offload of video |
| [04:28:48] | a1fa: | now stupid question is, even with such mass production, why are they able to sell it so cheap |
| [04:28:51] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: 4850e should be able to |
| [04:29:03] | Dagmar: | a1fa: Because they can. |
| [04:29:04] | wagnerrp: | alfa: because it IS cheap |
| [04:29:09] | Dagmar: | It's just freaking SAND man. |
| [04:29:18] | a1fa: | haha |
| [04:29:27] | Dagmar: | They heat it up, shape it, etch it, package it, but it's still SAND. |
| [04:29:36] | a1fa: | why isnt there such thing for pc? |
| [04:29:41] | wagnerrp: | they can probably churn the necessary silicon out for a few $ a pop |
| [04:29:46] | iamlindoro__: | such thing as what? |
| [04:29:50] | wagnerrp: | alfa; thats what VDPAU does |
| [04:29:56] | a1fa: | h.264 acceleration |
| [04:30:01] | iamlindoro__: | There is |
| [04:30:02] | a1fa: | right out of the box |
| [04:30:03] | wagnerrp: | purevideo has provided some offload since the 6xxx series |
| [04:30:12] | wagnerrp: | and full offload since the 8xxx series |
| [04:30:20] | wagnerrp: | right out of the box |
| [04:30:25] | iamlindoro__: | PureVideo, XvBA, UVD, etc. etc. etc. |
| [04:30:25] | Dagmar: | Only under Windows unless something changed |
| [04:30:40] | a1fa: | ok |
| [04:30:45] | squish102: | is there a limit to an amd 64 +3500 (1gig memory)used as a FE/BE? recording possiby 5 HD streams and playing one stream, off a sata software JBOD? |
| [04:31:01] | wagnerrp: | if you buy a retail dvd player, such as the nvidia decoder, intervideo, or powerdvd, they all support hardware offload on 6-series and better video cards |
| [04:31:01] | Dagmar: | What limit? |
| [04:31:10] | squish102: | cpu limit? |
| [04:31:27] | squish102: | or disk throughput possibly |
| [04:31:27] | wagnerrp: | digital video has almost no CPU usage |
| [04:31:32] | wagnerrp: | just I/O usage |
| [04:31:34] | Dagmar: | "HD streams" or not they're still little more than filecopies |
| [04:31:40] | a1fa: | wagnerrp: do you recommend AMD Athlon X2 4850e |
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| [04:31:47] | squish102: | thanks |
| [04:31:52] | wagnerrp: | and its I/O usage running at most 2MB/s |
| [04:31:54] | a1fa: | or something faster? |
| [04:31:57] | wagnerrp: | per stream |
| [04:32:04] | Dagmar: | Plug in a couple of thumb drives, start simultaneous copies on them all, and see if there's still enough power to keep the frontend going |
| [04:32:32] | wagnerrp: | alfa: ive not really followed the AM2 line |
| [04:32:44] | a1fa: | dual-core 2.5ghz, i think |
| [04:32:46] | wagnerrp: | however my 2GHz 939 is able to manage about 8mbit h.264 |
| [04:32:55] | wagnerrp: | so extrapolate that out |
| [04:32:56] | squish102: | i'll try that.. i probably should upgrade before throwing another card in it, but it is so stable, i'll hate to mess with it |
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| [04:33:04] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: It's their newest model, which is oddly also one of the cheapest with lowest power draw and less thermal output |
| [04:33:05] | wagnerrp: | maybe add 5–10% for the updated architecture |
| [04:33:17] | Dagmar: | It is also fast as bloody hell. |
| [04:33:45] | wagnerrp: | so that chip may manage 20–25mbit |
| [04:34:14] | Dagmar: | http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/1400/amd_at . . . m/index.html |
| [04:35:35] | a1fa: | iamlindoro_: Intel or AMD? |
| [04:36:19] | iamlindoro__: | a1fa, I buy Intel, but acknowledge the same job can be done with either |
| [04:37:06] | a1fa: | tru |
| [04:37:15] | a1fa: | how about bridge processor |
| [04:37:21] | wagnerrp: | bridge? |
| [04:37:28] | iamlindoro__: | erm... huh? |
| [04:37:30] | a1fa: | does it even matter anymore |
| [04:37:36] | wagnerrp: | northbridge? |
| [04:37:45] | wagnerrp: | southbridge? |
| [04:38:03] | kormoc: | I like west side bridges |
| [04:38:15] | wagnerrp: | they do make for good stories... |
| [04:38:33] | a1fa: | hehe |
| [04:41:41] | a1fa: | i mean does it even matter anymore what bridge you have? |
| [04:42:00] | a1fa: | at least when it comes to motherboards built for amd |
| [04:42:05] | iamlindoro__: | *what in the world is a birdge?* |
| [04:42:24] | iamlindoro__: | bridge |
| [04:42:34] | iamlindoro__: | besides a way to get over a river |
| [04:42:51] | wagnerrp: | my sister has one in here teeth |
| [04:42:55] | wagnerrp: | but i dont think it has a processor |
| [04:43:00] | wagnerrp: | *her |
| [04:43:11] | olejl: | I'm struggeling a little after upgrading my computer from Fedora 9 to 10. I'm trying to compile mythplugins trunk, but it seems that it will not use qt4. Any idea? |
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| [04:43:33] | tgj: | hi |
| [04:43:50] | tgj: | can anyone help me with my upnp problems? |
| [04:44:12] | wagnerrp: | theres not a whole lot you can do to fix upnp |
| [04:44:17] | wagnerrp: | either it works, or it doesnt |
| [04:44:24] | kormoc: | tgj, sure, change line #101 of libupnp-1.0.so from "broken" to "fixed" |
| [04:44:41] | tgj: | so it doesn't work? |
| [04:44:49] | tgj: | why advertise it then? |
| [04:44:51] | Dagmar: | heheh |
| [04:44:58] | kormoc: | tgj, no, that's not what he said... |
| [04:45:06] | iamlindoro__: | --unbreak-upnp |
| [04:45:20] | wagnerrp: | it works just fine for me |
| [04:45:27] | Dagmar: | --feed-the-children and --bring-world-peace almost work |
| [04:45:33] | wagnerrp: | but as there is no configuration necessary, or possible |
| [04:45:44] | wagnerrp: | theres not much you can do to fix things if they dont work just fine |
| [04:45:44] | Dagmar: | My favorite is --make-a-man-larger tho |
| [04:45:47] | wagnerrp: | anyway, explain your issue |
| [04:45:54] | kormoc: | tgj, given you haven't even said what's actually broken, it's hard to fix... |
| [04:46:03] | wagnerrp: | Dagmar: i actually got some mail for that today |
| [04:46:09] | wagnerrp: | snail mail |
| [04:46:11] | tgj: | it doesn't show up on my other computer or my ps3 |
| [04:46:24] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, your discrete package arrived? |
| [04:46:31] | tgj: | so I must assume it is not running |
| [04:46:36] | kormoc: | tgj, and you checked the logs and found? |
| [04:46:37] | Dagmar: | tgj: So basically you have to stop using 127.0.0.1 for the IP address |
| [04:46:41] | a1fa: | iamlindoro_: chipset |
| [04:46:41] | wagnerrp: | it just said, 'adult advertising enclosed' |
| [04:46:52] | iamlindoro__: | steps to make uPnP work: a) set up the backend with a real IP. b) scan the video from mythfrontend, c) There is no step c |
| [04:46:54] | Dagmar: | There's nothing that can stop '"running". |
| [04:46:54] | tgj: | ok I'll try that |
| [04:46:57] | Dagmar: | It's part of the backend |
| [04:47:03] | wagnerrp: | tgj: go into mythtv-setup, first item, first page |
| [04:47:09] | a1fa: | how important is mobo chipset |
| [04:47:11] | tgj: | thankyou |
| [04:47:14] | wagnerrp: | make sure the backend is not 127.0.0.1, as Dagmar said |
| [04:47:20] | Dagmar: | WHen it sees you've got the thing configured to connect to 127.0.0.1, it retardedly assumes it should disable uPnP |
| [04:47:29] | iamlindoro__: | a1fa, pretty much doesn't matter for myth purposes |
| [04:47:37] | Dagmar: | a1fa: Unless you buy a Biostar board |
| [04:47:37] | kormoc: | 666.666.666.666 forever! |
| [04:47:41] | Dagmar: | In which case you're just an idiot |
| [04:47:42] | tgj: | other thing |
| [04:47:52] | a1fa: | haha |
| [04:47:53] | a1fa: | :) |
| [04:47:54] | wagnerrp: | alfa: the only reason it would make any difference is if it has an integrated video chip |
| [04:48:05] | a1fa: | i hate integrated video chips |
| [04:48:09] | a1fa: | i just want to punchmyself |
| [04:48:16] | tgj: | once i switched to opengl rendering the gui has disappeared, all i can see is the background, video still works fine though (and runs at a decent framerate whiich it didn't before) |
| [04:48:18] | a1fa: | when i see one |
| [04:48:20] | iamlindoro__: | I rather like my brand new integrated 9300 |
| [04:48:27] | wagnerrp: | in which case nvidia or intel are necessary (unless you want to try and probably fail with amd) |
| [04:48:28] | a1fa: | what mobo? |
| [04:48:32] | Dagmar: | Anything with a 7xx (NOT SAYING 7xxx) chipset or higher should be capable of using the new accelleration stuff |
| [04:48:34] | iamlindoro__: | Does h.264 better than any processor you can buy can :) |
| [04:48:38] | wagnerrp: | and nvidia 8xxx or better is advised |
| [04:49:18] | tgj: | and i have no sound |
| [04:49:20] | iamlindoro__: | Asus P5N7A-VM |
| [04:49:24] | tgj: | alsa appears to be working though |
| [04:49:41] | iamlindoro__: | Hard to find better mobo connectivity than my new baby |
| [04:49:43] | tgj: | sound worked fine in regular ubuntu but I couldn't get mythtv to work |
| [04:51:15] | a1fa: | ah.. and is there any way to beam HDMI across the room without paying $800 for the setup or running wires? |
| [04:51:46] | tgj: | cat5 cables |
| [04:51:48] | tgj: | 2 of them |
| [04:51:56] | iamlindoro__: | "or running wires" |
| [04:52:00] | iamlindoro__: | and no. |
| [04:52:20] | wagnerrp: | just man up, run wires, and be done with it |
| [04:52:26] | a1fa: | argh :( |
| [04:52:32] | a1fa: | it may be too far way |
| [04:52:39] | wagnerrp: | it is not too far away |
| [04:52:45] | iamlindoro__: | What's so hard about putting the PC under the TV? |
| [04:52:50] | a1fa: | heat |
| [04:52:59] | iamlindoro__: | earth |
| [04:53:00] | a1fa: | especially when its doing backend/frontend stuff |
| [04:53:00] | iamlindoro__: | wind |
| [04:53:04] | iamlindoro__: | fire water |
| [04:53:10] | a1fa: | it will burn up quick |
| [04:53:21] | a1fa: | i am already burning 1 gpu a year |
| [04:53:23] | iamlindoro__: | What will burn up quick? Why is it hotter near your TV? |
| [04:53:30] | wagnerrp: | a-quar-i-us! |
| [04:53:32] | olejl: | http://fpaste.org/paste/1229/plain |
| [04:53:32] | iamlindoro__: | Is your TV in the fireplace again? |
| [04:53:37] | a1fa: | no |
| [04:53:52] | a1fa: | ah.. sorry.. i have a small cabinet that closes |
| [04:53:59] | wagnerrp: | is it open in the back? |
| [04:54:02] | a1fa: | i didnt give you all the details |
| [04:54:02] | Lexridge: | How long until we see the wireless A/V senders for HD, if ever? Now that the "whitespaces" have been opened up, perhaps not to far from now. |
| [04:54:04] | a1fa: | no |
| [04:54:10] | tgj: | just use cat5 |
| [04:54:18] | tgj: | cheap and it works |
| [04:54:18] | wagnerrp: | so cut holes, make it open in the back |
| [04:54:19] | iamlindoro__: | There are already wireless HDMI transmitters |
| [04:54:20] | a1fa: | Lexridge: Belkin has one out there for $1500 |
| [04:54:33] | tgj: | cat5 costs $10.00 |
| [04:54:38] | Lexridge: | alfa: OUCH!! but it's a start, nonetheless. |
| [04:54:42] | a1fa: | i got plenty of cat5e |
| [04:54:51] | iamlindoro__: | I agree with the aforementioned... run some wires if you must, or open the cabinet in back |
| [04:54:58] | a1fa: | i just need to buy some hdmi jacks |
| [04:55:04] | wagnerrp: | is it a glass door? |
| [04:55:06] | a1fa: | yes |
| [04:55:20] | wagnerrp: | water cool it |
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| [04:55:27] | iamlindoro__: | If you run cat5 you will need to buy the baluns |
| [04:55:34] | iamlindoro__: | to convert to/from HDMI |
| [04:55:37] | wagnerrp: | CPU, NB, GPU. run some piping out the back with a heatsink and fan |
| [04:55:46] | a1fa: | iamlindoro_: can you send me that link again from last night |
| [04:55:56] | iamlindoro__: | Which link? |
| [04:56:02] | a1fa: | the cabling link |
| [04:56:10] | wagnerrp: | monoprice.com? |
| [04:56:13] | iamlindoro__: | bluejeanscable.com? |
| [04:56:23] | a1fa: | got it |
| [04:56:24] | a1fa: | thanks |
| [04:56:27] | iamlindoro__: | http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/hdmi-cables/index.htm |
| [04:56:55] | a1fa: | got it |
| [04:57:01] | a1fa: | so no slicing required, eh? |
| [04:57:15] | iamlindoro__: | no slicing what? |
| [04:57:20] | a1fa: | hdmi cable |
| [04:57:30] | a1fa: | it allready comes with tails that turn into faceplates? |
| [04:57:41] | iamlindoro__: | I should hope not, user termination of HDMI is bound to end in sorrow |
| [04:57:43] | tgj: | sweet it worked thanks guys |
| [04:57:54] | tgj: | now for the opengl problem |
| [04:57:58] | iamlindoro__: | Hmm? no, if you want a plate you will need to buy that seperate |
| [04:58:00] | tgj: | anyone had the same problem? |
| [04:58:13] | tgj: | ive got an ati3200 integrated |
| [04:58:21] | iamlindoro__: | The HDMI will plug into the back of the wall plate at either end, and you plug another HDMI cable into that |
| [04:58:21] | tgj: | meant to be uvd |
| [04:58:35] | iamlindoro__: | tgj, No (usable) UVD in linux yet |
| [04:58:46] | a1fa: | so cable + one long ass cable + another small cable |
| [04:58:50] | tgj: | i know but opengl is a huge improvement over qt |
| [04:59:01] | tgj: | so i atleast need opengl to work |
| [04:59:13] | iamlindoro__: | a1fa, with wall plates in there, yes |
| [04:59:25] | a1fa: | yeah. I may have to do that |
| [04:59:26] | tgj: | we only have hd terrestrial digital in new zealand so opengl is ultra important |
| [04:59:47] | iamlindoro__: | tgj, opengl has nothing to do with HD or digital |
| [04:59:51] | a1fa: | lolz |
| [04:59:52] | tgj: | h.264 uses all the CPU so it can't scale |
| [04:59:59] | tgj: | yes it does |
| [05:00:02] | tgj: | ofcourse it does |
| [05:00:07] | iamlindoro__: | no. It does not. |
| [05:00:16] | tgj: | opengl is a much faster renderer because it uses hardware |
| [05:00:30] | tgj: | large resolutions require more rendering |
| [05:00:30] | iamlindoro__: | wrong. OpenGL is a slower rendered than Xv. |
| [05:00:52] | kormoc: | ugh |
| [05:00:56] | kormoc: | c++ hurts my brainz |
| [05:00:57] | tgj: | well than why does my framerate improve radically when i turn it on? |
| [05:01:09] | wagnerrp: | probably because Xv is broken |
| [05:01:13] | iamlindoro__: | tgj, Because you likely have broken Xv. |
| [05:01:19] | wagnerrp: | and its reverting back to basic X11 |
| [05:01:26] | wagnerrp: | meaning software scaling and direct display |
| [05:01:28] | Dagmar: | yepyep |
| [05:01:35] | tgj: | well help me fix it |
| [05:01:45] | tgj: | i dont see how i could've broken it anyway |
| [05:01:47] | kormoc: | tgj, erm... what rendering does video require? it's not like it's drawing a 3d world... |
| [05:01:50] | tgj: | i haven't done anything |
| [05:01:56] | Dagmar: | Nah we don't think it's really broken, just not configured properly |
| [05:02:11] | iamlindoro__: | a) Install driver properly. b) Have a beer. c) Repeat b as necessary |
| [05:02:38] | tgj: | i installed the amd driver |
| [05:02:53] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [05:02:57] | kormoc: | tgj, you mean the ati driver? |
| [05:03:00] | tgj: | and opengl wouldn't work unless i installed it right? |
| [05:03:00] | Dagmar: | Yeah well, it's the nVidia driver you want for an nVidia card, champ. |
| [05:03:14] | Dagmar: | No, it would just fall back to using Mesa. |
| [05:03:20] | tgj: | how stupid do you think i am? |
| [05:03:30] | Dagmar: | You don't _really_ want the answer to that, do you?: |
| [05:03:33] | iamlindoro__: | probably 5% stupider than you're proving yourself to be |
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| [05:03:49] | kormoc: | Now now guys... be nice... |
| [05:04:01] | tgj: | nvidia driver for an nvidia card? |
| [05:04:12] | tgj: | since when does nvidia make amd ati 3200hd? |
| [05:04:17] | Dagmar: | I assumed you had the sense to get an nVidia card. |
| [05:04:23] | Dagmar: | Any problems with the ATI driver is all you. |
| [05:04:33] | wagnerrp: | he said a while back he did not |
| [05:04:50] | wagnerrp: | yes, when you buy ATI, you take your fate into your own hands |
| [05:04:55] | iamlindoro__: | You want to be using xv-blit as your renderer. It works in current fglrx, although there may be xorg.conf options that you need to turn on. |
| [05:05:07] | tgj: | thankyou |
| [05:05:18] | wagnerrp: | the nvidia and intel drivers tend to 'just work' |
| [05:05:20] | iamlindoro__: | Xv-blit is a fair amount faster than opengl rendering, although opengl can be cajoled into working |
| [05:05:27] | wagnerrp: | ati is getting better, but theyre not there yet |
| [05:05:34] | iamlindoro__: | But it's best avoided as the renderer is highly experimental |
| [05:05:52] | tgj: | it came with my motherboard and i'm poor so thats my excuse |
| [05:05:59] | iamlindoro__: | Ultimately there will likely be an XvBA implementation for ATI + Myth but there isn't enough info to do that yet |
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| [05:06:55] | iamlindoro__: | Whether on ubuntu or not this may give some insight on what xorg.conf options to use: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI |
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| [05:07:28] | iamlindoro__: | Option "VideoOverlay" "on" |
| [05:07:32] | iamlindoro__: | is I believe the key one |
| [05:07:36] | tgj: | why is it encrypted? |
| [05:07:48] | iamlindoro__: | en...crypt...ted? |
| [05:07:48] | wagnerrp: | is what? |
| [05:08:05] | wagnerrp: | oh, https |
| [05:08:12] | Dagmar: | The chinese will find out otherwise. |
| [05:08:40] | wagnerrp: | no idea why ubuntu would want to encrypt their help page |
| [05:08:56] | Dagmar: | It's just optional. |
| [05:09:03] | Dagmar: | Some people are serious about private web browsingt |
| [05:09:16] | Dagmar: | This is part of the reason they have a Live CD that's _fully_ functional |
| [05:10:01] | wagnerrp: | well people who are serious use TOR |
| [05:11:14] | wagnerrp: | now back downstairs to see if i can figure out this booting issue... |
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| [05:12:32] | tgj: | looks like the driver didn't install properly |
| [05:14:33] | tgj: | ok |
| [05:14:40] | tgj: | any ideas why my sound is not working? |
| [05:14:48] | tgj: | does mythtv have support for he-aac |
| [05:15:09] | Dagmar: | It wasn't configured properly |
| [05:15:10] | iamlindoro__: | It does if you compiled it with --enable-libfaad and had all required libraries installed at that time |
| [05:15:30] | tgj: | hey mate i just put in the dvd and clicked next a few times |
| [05:16:01] | iamlindoro__: | If you're in New Zealand, I believe it's more than HE-AAC |
| [05:16:05] | iamlindoro__: | It's HE-AAC with LATM |
| [05:16:14] | iamlindoro__: | which IIRC requires a patch, available in myth's trac |
| [05:16:35] | iamlindoro__: | You'll likely need to apply the patch yourself and build myth from source |
| [05:16:44] | iamlindoro__: | (If you intend to use DVB-T that is) |
| [05:16:55] | tgj: | ok |
| [05:17:10] | tgj: | i suppose you want to walk me through it step by step |
| [05:17:19] | iamlindoro__: | I suppose I don't :) |
| [05:17:20] | Dagmar: | hah |
| [05:17:26] | tgj: | with only my thanks as payment |
| [05:17:37] | iamlindoro__: | No offense intended, but that's a lot of walking :) |
| [05:17:42] | iamlindoro__: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5487 |
| [05:17:55] | iamlindoro__: | I'll give you a link and my sincere "good luck," does that count? |
| [05:18:03] | tgj: | somewhat |
| [05:18:08] | kormoc: | iamlindoro__, Care if I ask you a quick c++ question or two? |
| [05:18:17] | iamlindoro__: | Well, that somewhat makes it all worthwhile :) |
| [05:18:30] | iamlindoro__: | kormoc, I don't care but I'm almost definitely the wrong person to ask :) |
| [05:18:36] | kormoc: | hehe |
| [05:18:53] | kormoc: | so I'm gathering that a class is always in 'this' scope? |
| [05:19:45] | iamlindoro__: | kormoc, I'm definitely the wrong guy, I have no training at all, I am totally self-taught... someone else here surely knows, especially when it comes to terminology |
| [05:19:59] | kormoc: | Heh, rgr |
| [05:20:00] | iamlindoro__: | I am sorry |
| [05:20:05] | kormoc: | no worries :) |
| [05:20:14] | tgj: | it is yes |
| [05:20:30] | kormoc: | I'm attempting to take some c knowledge and mash up my php OOP on top of it, it's going to be fun! |
| [05:20:38] | iamlindoro__: | heh |
| [05:21:03] | iamlindoro__: | The concepts all make sense to me when I look at them enough, but my knowledge of terms is embarassing |
| [05:21:09] | kormoc: | tgj, so calling other class methods is done just by the method name with no prepended 'this' or the like? |
| [05:21:15] | Dagmar: | Actually this will be where you find out that previous programming experience makes learning new languages easier |
| [05:22:00] | kormoc: | Dagmar, yeah, it's more I'm going to find out how spoiled php has made me :) |
| [05:22:19] | kormoc: | I've been way way way too single language oriented for the past 5 years or so |
| [05:22:49] | Dagmar: | You've been coding in just PHP for the last 5 years? |
| [05:22:54] | kormoc: | Aye |
| [05:23:01] | Dagmar: | Allow me to suggest whiskey. |
| [05:23:07] | Dagmar: | Lots of whiskey. |
| [05:23:15] | kormoc: | with a few c projects here and there, and a fair bit of JS, but yeah, practically just php |
| [05:23:22] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [05:23:41] | kormoc: | I actually don't mind PHP too much, especially newer versions |
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| [05:24:36] | iamlindoro__: | Maybe at christmas I'll try to learn all the terms I've ignored. But it's all so... *dry* |
| [05:24:55] | Dagmar: | Of course it is |
| [05:25:03] | Dagmar: | That's because all programmers are macabre by nature. |
| [05:25:41] | ColdFyre: | i have a 5.1 setup..my center channel is wicked low..only in myth though, every other program is fine |
| [05:25:49] | Dagmar: | If technical writers were allowed to set the tone, it would all be "C++ for Mass Murderers" and "How to learn Ruby with just 21 victims" |
| [05:25:53] | jpabq: | kormoc, yeah, anything defined inside a class, can access the other members of the class directly. |
| [05:26:03] | iamlindoro__: | It's been fun to add/hack/fix things over the past couple months, mostly because I can always go "Ah, but I'm no programmer" when something is done wrong ;) |
| [05:26:20] | tgj: | these patches are incredibly old are you sure they're not already included in the latest release? |
| [05:26:37] | iamlindoro__: | tgj, Bug is still open, ergo not applied |
| [05:26:58] | iamlindoro__: | Those patches are also newer than the latest myth release |
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| [05:27:16] | tgj: | it says 5 months ago but that must refer to something else |
| [05:27:29] | iamlindoro__: | No, those patches were uploaded 5 months ago, that's correct |
| [05:27:31] | tgj: | i like how priority is minor |
| [05:27:41] | iamlindoro__: | It is minor. Very minor. |
| [05:27:53] | tgj: | well...it means no sound if you live in new zealand |
| [05:28:11] | iamlindoro__: | There are 221 other countries out there |
| [05:28:16] | iamlindoro__: | none of which use LATM |
| [05:28:23] | tgj: | not true |
| [05:28:26] | kormoc: | jpabq, thanks |
| [05:28:26] | tgj: | norway uses latm |
| [05:28:40] | tgj: | besides, i live in New Zealand |
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| [05:28:51] | iamlindoro__: | So apply the patch |
| [05:28:58] | tgj: | ok what do I do |
| [05:29:23] | iamlindoro__: | download patch. Apply to source. Shake until mixed fully. Bake at 350 for 47 minutes |
| [05:29:42] | jpabq: | kormoc, a good function reference: http://www.cplusplus.com/ |
| [05:30:11] | tgj: | do i just copy and paste the diff commands in to a terminal? |
| [05:30:12] | iamlindoro__: | jpabq, That helps me too, thank you |
| [05:30:26] | iamlindoro__: | No, you download the patch, and apply it with the patch command |
| [05:30:31] | kormoc: | jpabq, slickness, thanks |
| [05:30:41] | iamlindoro__: | if this is beyond you, with absolutely no offense intended, you probably shouldn't be doing it |
| [05:31:01] | tgj: | well i have no choice so here goes |
| [05:31:10] | iamlindoro__: | more or less, with the patch in the correct directory, the command would be "patch -p0 < somepatch.diff" |
| [05:31:49] | iamlindoro__: | Then you'll need to ./configure and build myth properly, and to do so you will need all required libraries/headers installed |
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| [05:33:41] | tgj: | wouldn't the patch already be included in the latest SVN? |
| [05:33:55] | tgj: | could I just download and compile that? |
| [05:33:58] | iamlindoro__: | no. |
| [05:34:14] | iamlindoro__: | If the ticket is not *closed* and there isn't a message saying which revision it was *applied*, it's not. |
| [05:34:25] | tgj: | right |
| [05:34:42] | iamlindoro__: | patching the source is the *easiest* part of building myth |
| [05:34:46] | iamlindoro__: | by a long shot |
| [05:35:37] | iamlindoro__: | the patch would go in the "mythtv" directory of the source (under which there are directories called libs, programs, etc.... |
| [05:35:47] | iamlindoro__: | then patch -p0 < mythtv-latm.patch |
| [05:35:50] | iamlindoro__: | That's it |
| [05:35:57] | iamlindoro__: | It's *building* it that takes knowhow |
| [05:36:00] | tgj: | sweet thankyou |
| [05:36:15] | wagnerrp: | so heres an interesting issue |
| [05:36:33] | wagnerrp: | my fe/be combo is now booted over iscsi |
| [05:36:39] | wagnerrp: | there is a sata disk in there already |
| [05:36:46] | wagnerrp: | so it gets autodetected, and set to sda |
| [05:37:09] | Dagmar: | Dude you're booting off iSCSI successfully. |
| [05:37:12] | wagnerrp: | while the initrd boots up, logs into the target, and creates the network disk as sdb |
| [05:37:16] | Dagmar: | You need to go buy some damn lottery tickets. |
| [05:37:25] | wagnerrp: | i mount root, boot up |
| [05:37:38] | wagnerrp: | and now df says root is mounted off of /dev/sda2 |
| [05:37:48] | wagnerrp: | while /dev/sda2 doesnt even exist |
| [05:38:32] | wagnerrp: | and /dev/sda1 is a partition on the local disk |
| [05:38:55] | Captain_Murdoch: | what does /proc/mounts say? |
| [05:39:18] | wagnerrp: | that says sdb2 (correct) |
| [05:39:31] | Captain_Murdoch: | df doesn't read /proc/mounts, it reads /etc/mtab I believe. |
| [05:39:40] | Dagmar: | yep |
| [05:39:51] | wagnerrp: | any idea why the discrepancy? |
| [05:40:14] | Captain_Murdoch: | my nfsroot systems update their /etc/mtab by "cat /proc/mounts > /etc/mtab" when they boot before passing control to /sbin/init. |
| [05:40:16] | Dagmar: | pivoting |
| [05:40:30] | Dagmar: | If I understand what you're explaining you're doing correctly. |
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| [05:41:17] | iamlindoro__: | tgj, what distro are you using |
| [05:41:59] | spencer: | general question: for PCI video capture card, what would you recommend?? using basic cable, not HD... |
| [05:42:07] | iamlindoro__: | and how did you go about getting the source you are working on right now |
| [05:42:11] | wagnerrp: | once i figured out how to make custom initrds, it was actually pretty simple |
| [05:42:26] | kormoc: | Can't that also happen if the device node updates via a udev event after root is first mounted? |
| [05:42:32] | iamlindoro__: | spencer, The Hauppauge PVR-150 and PVR-500 are very well liked cards for myth + SD cable |
| [05:42:49] | Dagmar: | I figure it's renumbering things during/around the time he pivots off the initial root |
| [05:43:32] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, is the initrd coming off local disk or PXE? |
| [05:43:37] | wagnerrp: | pxe |
| [05:43:53] | wagnerrp: | the local disk is dedicated to recordings only |
| [05:43:57] | Dagmar: | So since that *disappears*... |
| [05:43:58] | Captain_Murdoch: | so initrd doesn't pivot, it just mounts iscsi disk? |
| [05:44:01] | spencer: | _iamlindoro, what about the pvr-150 MCE model?? |
| [05:44:17] | Captain_Murdoch: | nevermind, that didn't make sense. |
| [05:44:28] | iamlindoro__: | spencer, SAme thing, the MCE just means better audio inputs and (usually) a better remote (if not a white box/OEM) |
| [05:44:33] | wagnerrp: | just loads up the open-iscsi modules, attaches the target, and mounts |
| [05:45:30] | wagnerrp: | well... back to finishing the mythtv setup on the new install |
| [05:45:30] | spencer: | cool... thanks... and anyone use gentoo as the distro? |
| [05:46:06] | iamlindoro__: | spencer, lots do (not me, however) |
| [05:46:14] | Dagmar: | Captain_Murdoch: I was actually waiting for you to realize what you'd just typed |
| [05:46:16] | Dagmar: | Heheh |
| [05:46:57] | spencer: | thinking between ubuntu or gentoo, i use ubuntu for my desktop.. but i want something lighter weight for my mythtv box as it's just a bang up old P4 2G box... |
| [05:46:57] | Captain_Murdoch: | I keep forgetting that since I'm nfs mounting my actual /root I don't pivot. |
| [05:47:10] | Dagmar: | I've not had time to really beat on the theory to be sure, but I was pretty sure there *always* had to be a / coming from somewhere, just because you have to mount something to it |
| [05:47:11] | Captain_Murdoch: | my actual / root that is. :) |
| [05:47:21] | Captain_Murdoch: | yeah. |
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| [05:47:38] | iamlindoro__: | spencer, Ubuntu makes a great mythbox, the theoretical difference in "weight" is more imagined than anything else |
| [05:47:51] | Captain_Murdoch: | I've had to tweak RHEL initrds at work for various reasons. even have one image that has EMC's powerpath installed in it to allow booting off SAN with powerpath on the root LUN. |
| [05:47:54] | wagnerrp: | spencer: on both systems, you can pretty much load as much or as little as you want at runtime |
| [05:48:27] | wagnerrp: | however on that chip, that P4 will take 10 hours of compile time to get everything installed |
| [05:48:29] | Dagmar: | Well, the "weight" factor varies proportionally to how much you need someone to put your machine together for you. |
| [05:48:44] | Dagmar: | If you have zero clue, you get to install it all. |
| [05:48:58] | Dagmar: | If you know waht you're doing, you can pare out 3/4 of the stuff without breaking stride. |
| [05:49:33] | iamlindoro__: | You can also get a pretty well tweaked mythbox by trusting smart people who put myth distros together a la mythbuntu |
| [05:49:55] | iamlindoro__: | Which, while it has its funky quirks, is fairly thoughtfully put together |
| [05:50:04] | Dagmar: | Yeah |
| [05:50:09] | Dagmar: | I was screwikng with mythbuntu last night |
| [05:50:16] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [05:50:20] | Dagmar: | I dont like the way their automagic stuff works, but it does work well enough |
| [05:50:25] | kormoc: | I wonder if I can get a pointer to a class inside of itself |
| [05:50:58] | Dagmar: | kormoc: <allcaps>why do you hate the garbage collector so much!!!</allcaps> |
| [05:51:09] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [05:51:23] | kormoc: | I need to be able to call methods on the parent from a child class |
| [05:51:31] | Dagmar: | Oh |
| [05:51:44] | Dagmar: | That you should be able to do |
| [05:52:01] | Dagmar: | Just be *tidy* about it. I thought you were doing something else that generally leads to nightmares and lost memory |
| [05:52:40] | kormoc: | Nah, I'm actually a tad experienced with C, so I understand the memory stuff, it's just all this wacky class syntax stuff that's throwing me for a loop |
| [05:53:12] | wagnerrp: | Dagmar: lost memory... as in memory leaks? or tears and binge drinking? |
| [05:53:25] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, both I would imagine |
| [05:54:32] | spencer: | kormoc, better answer, you forgot.. |
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| [05:55:42] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: Leaks the size of niagra falls |
| [05:56:03] | wagnerrp: | well both my NFS systems are migrated to iscsi on a different server |
| [05:56:07] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: I wrote an authenticator module for perl years ago. It could do 10,000 auth token checks per second, no problem at all. |
| [05:56:18] | wagnerrp: | now i just have to move tftp as well and i can just that machine altogether |
| [05:56:20] | Dagmar: | *I* am very picky about how I do my data structures. |
| [05:56:24] | wagnerrp: | s/just/junk/ |
| [05:56:34] | Dagmar: | I gave it to a guy a knew to use for his consult project. |
| [05:56:37] | Dagmar: | He's not so careful. |
| [05:57:01] | Dagmar: | I was creating "doughnuts" of memory, and cutting them loose in a very specific, *unwinding* kind of way. |
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| [05:57:40] | Dagmar: | His first run with modified data structures, the thing went completely apesnort |
| [05:57:52] | clever: | lol |
| [05:58:37] | Dagmar: | You link an item to another item, and then back to the first item creating a nice little love triangle of pointers, and most lazt garbage collectors will never catch it |
| [05:58:43] | spencer: | that will do it.. change the datastructure around.. like playing janga and just pulling the bottom piece.. |
| [05:59:13] | Dagmar: | ...so the moment you obliterate the pointer that links it back to the main scope, you've just cut loose a little bit of RAM your process can never find again. :) |
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| [05:59:50] | Dagmar: | mod_perl makes these mistakes take awhile to manifest, but boy howdy will they |
| [06:03:04] | clever: | id think mod_perl could nuke the entire env when the script is done |
| [06:03:13] | clever: | nothing should remain in the env between scripts |
| [06:03:20] | Dagmar: | mod_perl is stateful. |
| [06:03:27] | wagnerrp: | well iscsi seem much faster, but i wonder how much of that is the difference in machines |
| [06:03:41] | Dagmar: | It *keeps* the script running, although I suspect maybe instantated is a better word |
| [06:03:44] | wagnerrp: | the nfs server was an old P4 running an old ATA 160GB |
| [06:04:05] | clever: | so just collect everything |
| [06:04:07] | Dagmar: | clever: Rememebr me talking aobut "start up cost" of running a perl script a few days ago? |
| [06:04:14] | clever: | yeah |
| [06:04:18] | wagnerrp: | vs. the iscsi server on an opteron, and a 320GB mirror with a hardware RAID card |
| [06:04:19] | clever: | you can keep the compiled code in ram |
| [06:04:29] | Dagmar: | clever: You use mod_perl to eliminate that happening when you've got a webserver being hit 1,000+ times a second |
| [06:04:30] | clever: | but env/data/variables should be cleared |
| [06:04:40] | Dagmar: | Not necessarily. |
| [06:05:11] | Dagmar: | Espeically when you just threw them out of sight of the garbage collector. |
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| [06:07:09] | clever: | the only time i use the 'garbage collector' in Qt is when i create child objects with this as the parent |
| [06:07:52] | Dagmar: | The gc in perl pretty much works on the basis of "if (refcount==0) then we_can_free_it" |
| [06:08:09] | clever: | yeah |
| [06:08:11] | spencer: | would you go with pvr-250 or pvr-150? |
| [06:08:17] | Dagmar: | If you manage to make a structure that is essentialyl a->b->c->a, refcount will never be zero. |
| [06:08:18] | clever: | i think the same thing happens inside QString&friends |
| [06:08:32] | clever: | each QString is just a pointer to a private shared peice of data |
| [06:08:35] | Dagmar: | spencer: For shame. The 250 is obsolete and it says so on the wiki. |
| [06:08:42] | Dagmar: | The 150 took it's place years ago |
| [06:08:46] | clever: | if the refcount hits 0, when deleting, clear the internal data too |
| [06:09:07] | spencer: | sorry for my stupid question :P |
| [06:09:25] | Dagmar: | It's not a dumb question, it's just one that could have maybe been avoided |
| [06:09:52] | spencer: | but i was able to find different "brand new" cards on ebay.. and some comment on people like the output of the 250 better.. so that's why i ask. |
| [06:09:55] | kormoc: | Thank you encyclopedia clever... |
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| [06:10:29] | Dagmar: | spencer: Yeah so the people selling the cards aren't very likely to say anything but "You should give me your money!" |
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| [06:13:58] | tgj: | im using mythbuntu |
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| [06:24:52] | kormoc: | compile compile compile... |
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| [06:32:40] | iamlindoro__: | Jeez, I am gonna have a holy-crap-lotta TV to watch over the holiday, I am 4–6 weeks behind on all the good stuff |
| [06:33:37] | iamlindoro__: | One of these days I'm going to have to stop poking at myth and start watching it |
| [06:34:56] | kormoc: | hehe |
| [06:34:59] | kormoc: | I'm doing both! |
| [06:35:09] | kormoc: | least, until this compiles and the frontend crashes... |
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| [06:37:00] | iamlindoro__: | I've given up, I'm so behind. I figure all the TV will disappear in a week or two and then I'll have no choice but to get caught up |
| [06:37:21] | iamlindoro__: | I have 4 x Heroes, 6 x Terminator, 7 x Life on Mars... who has that kind of time? |
| [06:37:42] | wagnerrp: | isnt that ALL of life on mars? |
| [06:37:48] | iamlindoro__: | Yeah |
| [06:37:52] | iamlindoro__: | well, I've seen the first ep |
| [06:38:04] | iamlindoro__: | I've also seen the first series of the BBC version |
| [06:39:11] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, ... I'm over 10k episodes watched on my mythbox... so evidently, *I* have the time |
| [06:39:26] | iamlindoro__: | kormoc, Heh, it's all a matter of the span of time |
| [06:39:34] | kormoc: | 3 years, 6 months :P |
| [06:39:45] | iamlindoro__: | and that counts things where you started it and went... "meh" |
| [06:40:02] | kormoc: | unlikely, I typically hit those as 'rerecord' and delete the schedule |
| [06:40:28] | iamlindoro__: | Trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here, don't stop me ;) |
| [06:40:49] | kormoc: | :P |
| [06:41:35] | high-rez: | Does myth's builtin player suppor EVO files? |
| [06:41:46] | iamlindoro__: | I've gotten into this weird cycle where I'd rather prod at Myth and make it do weird things than watch anything... I'm sure I'll get back into watching eventually |
| [06:41:53] | iamlindoro__: | high-rez, yes. |
| [06:42:13] | kormoc: | iamlindoro__, I'm a sucker for multi-tasking, I love having it as background noise |
| [06:42:22] | iamlindoro__: | EVO is just a VOB file that supports a few extra codecs, and a VOB is just an MPEG-PS more or less |
| [06:43:04] | iamlindoro__: | kormoc, I need a second monitor upstairs, I have been doing all my computing on my LCD TV lately |
| [06:43:23] | wagnerrp: | what you really need is a fourth |
| [06:43:40] | iamlindoro__: | I have one of those once a month |
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| [06:43:54] | high-rez: | iamlin: excellent, guess I'll give her a try then. |
| [06:43:57] | sphery: | "Seems a shame I spent my money on a core 2 duo now" ??? What's a Core 2 Duo cost these days? $40? |
| [06:44:16] | wagnerrp: | you can pick them up for around $100 |
| [06:44:20] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, "I really feel like I wasted that $20 on my 8400 GS" |
| [06:44:31] | sphery: | yeah, that one was worse |
| [06:45:37] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [06:45:48] | kormoc: | I've caused something to break in a file I never touched... uh oh |
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| [06:46:58] | high-rez: | iamlin: Fantastic, works great. :) |
| [06:47:19] | iamlindoro__: | high-rez, yep. Myth has (IMHO) the best player for high definition material on linux |
| [06:47:26] | sphery: | Guess there's still quite a markup on Intel's CPU's. I figured they were selling for what they're worth by now, but I guess since they're better (though not nearly 2x better, as cost would indicate) than AMD procs, they sell them with a hefty profit margin. |
| [06:47:33] | iamlindoro__: | where HD material = material from HD disks |
| [06:48:19] | iamlindoro__: | It's the only player that supports the HD audio codecs and does *not* require a doctoral degree in commandlineology |
| [06:48:54] | high-rez: | iamlin: Yeah. Just got one of those xbox hddvd players since movies are like $6 bucks at frys now. Looks great – but freezes when I switch to the right audio track. |
| [06:48:56] | sphery: | but requires 2 Ph.D.'s--one in mythtv-setup and one in frontend settings :) |
| [06:49:12] | wagnerrp: | well thats primarily because there is (almost) no command line access |
| [06:49:19] | sphery: | (though those are the do the time, take the test, and forget it all kind of degrees :) |
| [06:49:35] | iamlindoro__: | high-rez, what version of myth are you using? |
| [06:49:53] | high-rez: | fixes, a checkout from a couple days ago. |
| [06:50:03] | iamlindoro__: | fixes does not have HD audio support |
| [06:50:52] | wagnerrp: | 'reboot' on my mythbox does not seem to be working |
| [06:50:59] | wagnerrp: | time to go back downstairs |
| [06:51:00] | high-rez: | Ffmpeg says this is just plain old liba52 audio. |
| [06:51:22] | sphery: | wagnerrp: you mean the reboot command or MythTV's "Shut down and reboot"? |
| [06:51:25] | iamlindoro__: | high-rez, It may *say* that, but e-ac3 is handled by the ac3 driver |
| [06:51:34] | wagnerrp: | i mean reboot, on the command line |
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| [06:51:46] | high-rez: | try reboot -f -n |
| [06:51:50] | wagnerrp: | oh damn! |
| [06:51:55] | sphery: | wagnerrp: there's always telinit |
| [06:52:00] | wagnerrp: | i updated the kernel, i did not update the initrd |
| [06:52:02] | kormoc: | Error: Computer on fire? |
| [06:52:06] | wagnerrp: | whoops... :P |
| [06:52:12] | sphery: | or shutdown -r |
| [06:52:14] | iamlindoro__: | Yay, I love that error (the printer one) |
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| [06:52:41] | high-rez: | iamlin: hmm, you may be right here. |
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| [06:52:50] | high-rez: | gah, i don't really want to go to trunk yet |
| [06:53:02] | wagnerrp: | well thats going to get annoying |
| [06:53:03] | iamlindoro__: | high-rez, So don't, just rip the movies and hang in there |
| [06:53:13] | wagnerrp: | ill have to put together some script to rebuild that |
| [06:53:23] | kormoc: | jesus |
| [06:53:35] | kormoc: | anyone using current -trunk and compiled it successfully? |
| [06:53:51] | iamlindoro__: | kormoc, current as of this AM, yes |
| [06:53:59] | iamlindoro__: | mytharchive was broken for a while this morning, though |
| [06:54:03] | high-rez: | iamlin: Is there any plans to bring eac3 to dixes ? |
| [06:54:04] | kormoc: | iamlindoro__, how about as of a few minutes ago? |
| [06:54:11] | iamlindoro__: | high-rez, no |
| [06:54:15] | iamlindoro__: | kormoc, svn uping now |
| [06:54:39] | iamlindoro__: | high-rez, Would require bringing the whole ffmpeg sync to fixes, not gonna happen |
| [06:55:02] | kormoc: | iamlindoro__, this is driving me nuts. my patch isn't throwing any errors, but it won't compile with http://pastebin.ca/1273208 |
| [06:55:17] | kormoc: | iamlindoro__, and that's in a file I didn't touch, so I'm hoping it's not something I did |
| [06:55:27] | iamlindoro__: | kormoc, built without a make clean, but making clean and trying again |
| [06:55:36] | sphery: | kormoc: guy on the list is saying there's an issue in mythplugins |
| [06:55:58] | kormoc: | sphery, nah, this is purely just mythtv (frontend/backend) |
| [06:56:35] | wagnerrp: | thar be snow on the porch |
| [06:56:35] | sphery: | yeah, I think his is user error--he's getting some pretty basic Qt errors (QApplication, QFile, QDir, QObject not found and stuff) |
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| [06:56:56] | kormoc: | oh crap |
| [06:57:27] | iamlindoro__: | tv_play just whizzed by, I seem okay |
| [06:57:33] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [06:57:43] | kormoc: | using namespace was missing in my header... grubmle... |
| [06:58:05] | iamlindoro__: | heh, could've been worse |
| [06:58:19] | kormoc: | Still can! :) |
| [06:58:33] | iamlindoro__: | I'm pretty sure I did some exciting things to my production DB that I may not know about yet working on the trailers thing |
| [06:58:59] | high-rez: | i wonder if my ps3 wil play it as a upnp client |
| [06:59:00] | high-rez: | ;) |
| [06:59:13] | iamlindoro__: | high-rez, I would be surprised if it could parse the container |
| [06:59:30] | sphery: | iamlindoro__: there's always the spring cleaning thing... :) (backup, create new DB, partial restore, configure everything) |
| [06:59:33] | iamlindoro__: | The codecs are no problem, but I'll put money on it not accepting the container |
| [06:59:37] | kormoc: | no... that wasn't quite it... |
| [07:00:02] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, Yeah, I intend to eventually but I'm working on other stuff so might as well not go through the effort if I'm just going to futz with it again |
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| [07:00:58] | sphery: | yeah, I love having a dedicated dev box. Since Saturday, I've destroyed and restored my dev database at least 40 times (working on the people fix). |
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| [07:02:17] | iamlindoro__: | The more I hack at things, the easier I find it to find tasks to do |
| [07:02:18] | sphery: | it's nice having a system where I don't care how much I mess it up, but if it's your production system and you haven't noticed issues, might as well wait until the work is done or your find issues :) |
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| [07:03:33] | sphery: | Yeah, I'm planning on doing some Myth work tomorrow (really, later today). The problem isn't finding something to do, but deciding which of my many in-the-works Myth projects to work on. |
| [07:04:23] | iamlindoro__: | Step one) Identify task. Step two) Am I capable of task? Step three) No. |
| [07:04:34] | kormoc: | oh my lordy |
| [07:04:36] | kormoc: | it compiled |
| [07:05:12] | kormoc: | I feel really silly |
| [07:05:15] | sphery: | I've never let step 3 stop me... |
| [07:05:21] | kormoc: | class x {} requires a ; to close it |
| [07:05:30] | kormoc: | else it errors out on the next header... |
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| [07:07:17] | high-rez: | hmmf |
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| [07:08:56] | kormoc: | oh hrm |
| [07:09:00] | high-rez: | friggin ps3 caching |
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| [07:21:00] | kormoc: | and now it compiled and linked... uh oh |
| [07:23:51] | kormoc: | and it works by the grace of god... |
| [07:26:23] | ** cesman would think god's grace would fall on items for greater importance ** | |
| [07:26:39] | cesman: | but what do I know about religion... |
| [07:27:07] | RyeBrye: | hey... myth is way more important than a sparrow falling |
| [07:27:14] | kormoc: | heh |
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| [07:27:41] | cesman: | Unless you don't watch Nature ;) |
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| [07:40:11] | high-rez: | huh, vdpau does work on my machine (sort of). If I started it as mplayer -vo ... -vc ... from .xinitrc it would crash my machine, but if I run it from a window manager it's fine. |
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| [07:41:30] | high-rez: | it's too stuttery to actually be watchable with hd content, but it works. |
| [07:42:21] | kormoc: | I actually have a weird issue of vdpau causes my audio to stutter |
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| [07:43:03] | high-rez: | i never actually got it work with myth, this is just mplayer issues |
| [07:44:32] | high-rez: | wow, this deinterlacing is inferior to myth's |
| [07:45:56] | wagnerrp: | huh... mythbackend through the init scripts cannot grab the mysql config |
| [07:46:31] | wagnerrp: | just sits there dumping its death cycle to the log |
| [07:46:55] | clever: | wagnerrp: -v all, it will list the paths it checks for config |
| [07:47:09] | clever: | (edit the init script to force the flags if needed) |
| [07:48:41] | wagnerrp: | seems its grabbing it from /etc/mythtv/.mythtv now, used to be ~mythtv/.mythtv |
| [07:48:50] | wagnerrp: | not sure why the init scripts now force an alternate home |
| [07:49:02] | wagnerrp: | (gentoo) |
| [07:49:20] | justinh: | I have that problem with my ubuntu init script |
| [07:49:33] | justinh: | on bootup the home dir isn't defined |
| [07:49:43] | justinh: | so I have to start it manually via the init script |
| [07:49:59] | justinh: | won't take much figuring out I expect – I just need to get round to it |
| [07:50:12] | clever: | export HOME=shit |
| [07:50:15] | wagnerrp: | i mean i look in the init scripts, and its forcibly setting home, rather than just taking the default |
| [07:50:21] | wagnerrp: | what clever said |
| [07:50:23] | wagnerrp: | its doing that |
| [07:50:26] | justinh: | hmm |
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| [07:51:03] | clever: | ive done that in the shell after loging in, to switch firefox&email config |
| [07:51:15] | clever: | cheaper then a full blown chroot |
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| [07:52:27] | justinh: | what I don't get is what effect putting export HOME=/home/mythtv will have when the init script is started by root though |
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| [07:53:23] | clever: | su may change HOME |
| [07:53:23] | clever: | sudo has -H to do so(off by default) |
| [07:53:25] | wagnerrp: | well its working anyway... now to test the tuners |
| [07:53:45] | justinh: | I neither know or care how ubuntu's init crap works |
| [07:56:10] | justinh: | ach what the hell. I put the HOME line in the script – if anything screws up I'll know where to look |
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| [08:08:35] | justinh: | Ha! Dynamic menus indeed. Bloody nightmare waiting to happen |
| [08:08:59] | gbee: | snow! |
| [08:09:09] | justinh: | aye. 3 inches this morning |
| [08:09:20] | clever: | theres snow here too |
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| [08:09:29] | clever: | not shure how much |
| [08:09:30] | justinh: | still only took 40 minutes to get to work too :) |
| [08:09:57] | gbee: | pretty serious snow here compared to what we've seen in recent years |
| [08:10:24] | gbee: | sort of snow that I remember seeing as a kid |
| [08:10:37] | gbee: | well almost, it's still on the light side |
| [08:11:21] | justinh: | I remember when I was a kid & we had a lot of snow.. think it might've been in 79 – when the roads were starting to be cleared the heaps of snow went almost as high as the tops of lamp posts |
| [08:11:44] | justinh: | and we had a snow drift on the side of our house that went all the way up to the eaves |
| [08:12:07] | clever: | i remember when i was a kid, the snow heaps where over my head |
| [08:12:20] | clever: | it doesnt look like much anymore, but im alot taller now:P |
| [08:12:50] | justinh: | and the actual roads themselves were mostly cut down to one lane, with the level of snow either side almost up to roof level |
| [08:12:59] | kormoc: | Ugh! |
| [08:13:08] | kormoc: | why can't these errors make sense.... |
| [08:13:31] | justinh: | so that was probably about 2 or 3 feet of snow either side. awesome :) |
| [08:13:50] | justinh: | not sure I'd want to see that now, no matter how good it'd make the sledging |
| [08:13:53] | clever: | kormoc: paste 1 line of an error |
| [08:14:37] | ** justinh continues to look around for specials on USB/Firewire HDD carriers ** | |
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| [08:19:31] | justinh: | ah screw it. I'll just buy a 1TB external HDD & have done with it |
| [08:20:12] | clever: | send me your old drives:P |
| [08:20:49] | justinh: | they're not worth having, believe me |
| [08:20:57] | clever: | how big? |
| [08:21:07] | justinh: | 3 of them have been in constant service for more than 3 years |
| [08:21:21] | justinh: | they're very long in the tooth now |
| [08:21:27] | clever: | ahh |
| [08:21:29] | justinh: | 2x320GB & one 500GB |
| [08:21:40] | clever: | those are still bigger then anything i have:P |
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| [08:22:01] | clever: | /dev/sdb1 mainvg lvm2 a- 298.09G 0 |
| [08:22:03] | justinh: | soon to be replaced by 1x 300GB & 2x 1TB |
| [08:22:09] | clever: | bigest single drive i have |
| [08:22:55] | justinh: | £70 for a 1TB USB2.0 drive. The internal ones cost about that each |
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| [08:27:46] | wagnerrp: | clever: can you imagine what the shipping on those drives would be? |
| [08:28:02] | clever: | depends on the weight and distance |
| [08:28:03] | wagnerrp: | you may as well just buy new ones |
| [08:28:15] | pat_: | england to yankeeland |
| [08:28:23] | pat_: | the shipping would be silly |
| [08:29:05] | wagnerrp: | hell, yankeeland to canuckland alone would be ~$40 |
| [08:29:31] | wagnerrp: | theres considerably cost incurred because of transfer across national lines |
| [08:30:03] | pat_: | I'd suggest clever gets a job and buys new ones |
| [08:30:11] | clever: | i got a item on ebay from usa->canada with ~20$ shiping |
| [08:30:28] | pat_: | even delivering junk mail or newspapers would pay enough to buy a new drive in a short time |
| [08:30:39] | wagnerrp: | well if you want to get it in any reasonable amount of time, youre going to air-freight it |
| [08:30:40] | justinh: | pay my air fare & I'll deliver em by hand :P |
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| [08:30:55] | tgj: | what is lqt-mt? |
| [08:30:59] | clever: | pat_: i know the kid in town that delivers the junk fliers, and i helped him one night |
| [08:31:10] | wagnerrp: | a qt library |
| [08:31:27] | wagnerrp: | rather its the command to tell a compiler to include libqt-mt.so |
| [08:31:42] | clever: | pat_: the guy that he got the papers from looked like my future, fat, and only wearing underwear:P |
| [08:32:00] | tgj: | so why would the compiler not find it? |
| [08:32:01] | pat_: | but he had enough money to buy new drives |
| [08:32:16] | clever: | pat_: he didnt look like he was smart enough to use a computer:P |
| [08:32:28] | kormoc: | so it is clever's future self! |
| [08:32:50] | clever: | kormoc: atleast i wear a housecoat when im that uncovered:P |
| [08:33:25] | tgj: | right, so its the multithreaded version of qt? |
| [08:34:35] | tgj: | what the hell is depends but is not going to be installed mean? |
| [08:34:51] | tgj: | why doesn't it just install it god damn |
| [08:35:46] | tgj: | well apparently i can't install qt-mt because it relies on a package?????? |
| [08:36:21] | kormoc: | you can thank your distro maintainers, but don't swear in here |
| [08:36:24] | tgj: | any ideas? |
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| [08:36:53] | tgj: | whos swearing? |
| [08:37:04] | kormoc: | tgj, you did, twice |
| [08:37:25] | tgj: | no i didn't |
| [08:38:10] | kormoc: | tgj, erm... you can claim you didn't all you want, doesn't change the fact that you did |
| [08:38:27] | ** clever hides the export HOME=**** line above ** | |
| [08:38:34] | tgj: | if your refering to my blasphemy, thats not swearing |
| [08:38:57] | kormoc: | tgj, doesn't change the fact that it's not allowed in this channel, no matter what you call it |
| [08:39:39] | tgj: | didn't realise this channel was run by the church |
| [08:39:41] | tgj: | i apologise |
| [08:40:55] | tgj: | anyone managed to compile mythtv on ubuntu? |
| [08:41:06] | ** clever raises a hand ** | |
| [08:41:10] | kormoc: | tgj, nothing to do with the church. We don't know who might be in here at any time, and we try not to offend anyone, thus the rules to keep it 'child' safe |
| [08:41:19] | wagnerrp: | certainly the people who make the packages for ubuntu |
| [08:41:24] | kormoc: | tgj, it's all covered in the channel FAQ, which everyone is encouraged to read |
| [08:41:30] | tgj: | ok |
| [08:41:53] | kormoc: | gbee, have a sec? |
| [08:41:57] | tgj: | so how do I get qt-mt? |
| [08:42:14] | tgj: | it says I need a package that can't be got |
| [08:42:19] | wagnerrp: | it should come with qt |
| [08:42:45] | tgj: | well the compiler stops say can't find qt-mt |
| [08:42:57] | tgj: | sorry lqt-mt |
| [08:43:05] | wagnerrp: | its qt-mt |
| [08:43:29] | wagnerrp: | '-lqt-mt' means 'link in libqt-mt.so.<whatever revision you have>' |
| [08:44:12] | tgj: | it says it has unresolvable dependencies |
| [08:45:09] | tgj: | libcupsys2-dev |
| [08:45:41] | wagnerrp: | are you 32-bit or 64-bit? |
| [08:45:50] | tgj: | 64bit |
| [08:46:18] | wagnerrp: | then you should have a /usr/qt/3/lib64/libqt-mt.so.<something> |
| [08:46:20] | tgj: | then when i try install that it says it is not going to be installed |
| [08:46:59] | wagnerrp: | do you have a file like that> |
| [08:47:59] | wagnerrp: | do you have a file like that? |
| [08:48:06] | tgj: | doesnt exist |
| [08:48:25] | wagnerrp: | do you have qt3 installed? |
| [08:49:16] | wagnerrp: | if you just installed 'qt', it probably grabbed qt4 |
| [08:49:18] | tgj: | yeah it wouldn't configure if i didnt |
| [08:49:32] | tgj: | but i do anyway |
| [08:49:37] | clever: | /usr/share/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3.3 is part of the 'libqt3-mt' package on my system |
| [08:50:00] | wagnerrp: | you have that in a separate package? funky... |
| [08:50:38] | clever: | but im not using qt3 anymore |
| [08:50:57] | tgj: | what should i do? |
| [08:51:03] | wagnerrp: | i thought trunk still needed some remnant parts of qt3 |
| [08:51:12] | wagnerrp: | tgj: do you have the file clever mentioned? |
| [08:51:27] | tgj: | no i can't install qt3-mt |
| [08:51:40] | tgj: | depends on cupsys3 or something |
| [08:52:00] | tgj: | which "is not going to be installed" |
| [08:52:05] | wagnerrp: | that sounds more like a problem you should be asking in #ubuntu |
| [08:52:08] | tgj: | according to the synaptics package manager |
| [08:52:28] | tgj: | your right |
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| [08:53:46] | pat_: | grammar nazi time. you're right! |
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| [08:54:01] | pat_: | heh |
| [08:54:05] | wagnerrp: | ur 2 l8 |
| [08:54:33] | gbee: | kormoc: |
| [08:54:50] | wagnerrp: | ugh... now i hate myself for typing that |
| [08:55:03] | clever: | gbee: ive noticed some ui bugs in the cutlist editor, when the recording is still being recorded |
| [08:55:13] | clever: | gbee: are you still planning to convert that over later? |
| [08:55:28] | gbee: | clever: yes, but not for some time |
| [08:55:31] | clever: | ah |
| [08:55:32] | kormoc: | gbee, any hints on "error: functional cast expression list treated as compound expression" ? :) |
| [08:55:44] | clever: | i'll just avoid the problem till then |
| [08:56:01] | clever: | it still works, the ui just gets a bit scrambled |
| [08:56:54] | gbee: | kormoc: no, maybe pastebin the line it's erroring on? |
| [08:57:32] | kormoc: | gbee, it's one I wrote, and it has to do with some weird cast that I'm just not doing, I'm fairly sure, but I'm lose on what it's wanting me to do |
| [08:57:42] | tgj: | they're just ignoring me in the ubuntu channel |
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| [08:58:23] | clever: | tgj: happens all the time, i managed to find my last answer thru google |
| [08:58:40] | tgj: | they're busy telling someone how to run a java file???? |
| [08:59:00] | kormoc: | gbee, http://pastebin.ca/1273318 |
| [09:06:59] | gbee: | kormoc: I'll be honest, I really don't know |
| [09:07:19] | kormoc: | Heh, no worries :) |
| [09:07:38] | ** clever takes a look ** | |
| [09:07:51] | justinh: | great. I need to program a JTAG device on this board but the programming software license has expired & the guy who writes all the crap VB programs isn't here |
| [09:08:00] | tgj: | google is no help |
| [09:08:05] | gbee: | guessing it'll be the third arg, the buffer pointer needs casting to something but I hate complicated pointer related casts |
| [09:08:20] | tgj: | do I need qt is it possible to compile it without? |
| [09:08:22] | clever: | justinh: i have jtag software on my windows box |
| [09:08:31] | clever: | though i dont remember entering a key |
| [09:08:32] | justinh: | clever: not this stuff you don't |
| [09:08:36] | gbee: | tgj: yes you need QT |
| [09:08:41] | clever: | justinh: what do you have? |
| [09:09:00] | clever: | xilinx ise 7.1i is what i have |
| [09:09:01] | justinh: | clever: some crazy mad JTAG software from JTAG themselves. USB key dongles, the works |
| [09:09:17] | justinh: | ahh the good old days of xilinx ISE |
| [09:09:22] | clever: | the burner i had was usb based, but it was just a large box |
| [09:09:33] | justinh: | where all the tools were 'free' |
| [09:09:43] | clever: | ahh |
| [09:09:55] | justinh: | now we pay exhorbitant hardware fees, silly money software licenses |
| [09:10:20] | clever: | my dad uses that programer to flash fpga's in the catscan |
| [09:10:25] | clever: | theres a common 'processing board' thats used in a number of places |
| [09:10:38] | clever: | instead of having 20 different spares, you can have just 1 spare |
| [09:10:45] | clever: | burn&swap and its fixed |
| [09:11:06] | justinh: | and the batch programming software is shoddily written in VB.. the software was just updated but this guy's VB code hasn't been changed to take account of the newer software & new license key |
| [09:11:07] | wagnerrp: | i have to wonder if that makes things cheaper or more expensive |
| [09:11:38] | gbee: | kormoc: might ask in #mythtv, someone should have greater foo than me |
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| [09:12:41] | CCFL_Man: | is there a way to use a dvb-s or dvb-s2 card in linux and somehow transmit the tuned transport streams via multicast ip? |
| [09:13:06] | wagnerrp: | vlc may be able to do that |
| [09:13:17] | wagnerrp: | i know it can multicast |
| [09:13:25] | wagnerrp: | but i dont know if it can handle dvb cards |
| [09:13:37] | CCFL_Man: | it can |
| [09:14:40] | CCFL_Man: | i wonder if it can be done on a headless server |
| [09:14:56] | Dibblah: | justinh: Hexedit. Compiled VB is not checksummed. |
| [09:15:14] | justinh: | Dibblah: I couldn't care less. it's someone else's mess |
| [09:15:19] | Dibblah: | Heh. :) |
| [09:15:23] | CCFL_Man: | because dvb-s and dvb-s2 irds with ip out are super expensive |
| [09:15:56] | wagnerrp: | the netceiver isnt too bad |
| [09:16:07] | Dibblah: | wagnerrp: Do you have one? |
| [09:16:20] | CCFL_Man: | wagnerrp: rackmount? |
| [09:16:32] | wagnerrp: | no, but IIRC, the price for a fully kitted one is ~$600 |
| [09:16:42] | Dibblah: | Well, stop talking about it, then :) |
| [09:17:21] | justinh: | wheee all programmed agai & now it works. stupid JTAG shite doesn't program stuff first time sometimes |
| [09:17:32] | justinh: | and our boards KIND OF need the logic programmed to work |
| [09:17:33] | MasseR: | aaaa/win 21 |
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| [09:18:12] | CCFL_Man: | thats how much i'd pay for a 3U server with dvb-s2 cards and gigE |
| [09:18:44] | wagnerrp: | CCFL_Man: thats effectively what it is |
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| [09:19:08] | Dibblah: | CCFL_Man: Not quite. It's quite a bit lower power and has true CAM support. |
| [09:19:30] | CCFL_Man: | oh, hmm.. |
| [09:19:44] | CCFL_Man: | well, low power is nice |
| [09:20:28] | Dibblah: | The sales docs are a bit misleading too. |
| [09:20:29] | CCFL_Man: | but in the US, DVB CI isn't really used |
| [09:20:39] | Dibblah: | "6 tuners" – If you use dvb-s only. |
| [09:20:50] | CCFL_Man: | oh |
| [09:21:01] | Dibblah: | (-c and -t are single input) |
| [09:21:17] | CCFL_Man: | well, most of the stuf i need is dvb-s and s2 |
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| [09:22:01] | CCFL_Man: | s2 supported? |
| [09:22:19] | Dibblah: | ... Feel free to read the sales stuff yourself ;) |
| [09:22:31] | Dibblah: | Remember that this isn't even a released product yet. |
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| [09:22:44] | wagnerrp: | really? its been on their site for years |
| [09:22:49] | CCFL_Man: | oh, it's not even out |
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| [09:23:18] | stuarta: | morning all |
| [09:23:46] | stuarta: | okay, this is cool -> http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_6019.html |
| [09:24:42] | CCFL_Man: | i wonder if i can use diskless linux on a server and multicast transport streams from dvb-s2 cards |
| [09:25:13] | stuarta: | well you could, not much point in using myth tho |
| [09:25:33] | wagnerrp: | stuarta: little he says ever has any bearing on myth |
| [09:25:38] | CCFL_Man: | dvb-s and s2 irds with ip are super expensive |
| [09:25:40] | ** stuarta chuckles ** | |
| [09:25:42] | Dibblah: | stuarta: Eh? |
| [09:25:43] | Dibblah: | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Motorized-In-Dash-7-TFT . . . notsupported |
| [09:25:57] | Dibblah: | Yes, I should have trimmed it. Do I care? :) |
| [09:26:06] | wagnerrp: | stuarta: i was about to say theyve had those for years, but then i noticed it was for a computer, not a car |
| [09:26:39] | CCFL_Man: | stuarta: i can use it as a standalone server to multicast to a myth backend |
| [09:26:51] | wagnerrp: | why use multicast? |
| [09:27:16] | stuarta: | well you don't want p2p when streaming to multiple dests |
| [09:27:17] | Dibblah: | ... Except that it needs a custom case + custom drive bay? |
| [09:27:32] | Dibblah: | Hence multicast. |
| [09:27:57] | wagnerrp: | right, but youre streaming to mythtv, a singular unit, and then mythtv disseminates as necessary |
| [09:28:04] | Dibblah: | However, most cheaper switches don't do any form of intelligent multicast. |
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| [09:29:59] | stuarta: | you don't need intelligent multicast in a small network |
| [09:30:58] | tgj: | do i need to stop the backend before compiling again? |
| [09:31:02] | gbee: | stuarta: that is cool, not sure what I'd do with it, but it's cool |
| [09:31:19] | stuarta: | someone just pointed out you ca put it in the front of a shuttle |
| [09:32:14] | Dibblah: | Yeah, but if you can afford a shuttle, you can get the damn screen custom built. I hear the views from space are good, though. |
| [09:33:16] | stuarta: | tgj: no, just before installing it |
| [09:33:47] | stuarta: | !trout Dibblah shuttle *PC* |
| [09:33:47] | ** MythLogBot slaps Dibblah with a shuttle *PC* trout on behalf of stuarta... ** | |
| [09:34:07] | tgj: | make install? |
| [09:34:15] | stuarta: | yes |
| [09:34:38] | tgj: | how would i do that? |
| [09:34:54] | tgj: | will i keep my settings and db and stuff? |
| [09:35:01] | stuarta: | if you don't know that you shouldn't be building your own |
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| [09:35:37] | tgj: | i have no choice |
| [09:35:40] | stuarta: | do you currently have a distro package installed? |
| [09:35:46] | tgj: | yes |
| [09:35:51] | wagnerrp: | you said the backend was already running |
| [09:35:56] | tgj: | yes |
| [09:36:03] | wagnerrp: | so its currently installed and functioning |
| [09:36:14] | tgj: | not properly there is no sound it needs a patch |
| [09:36:15] | stuarta: | why are you going from package -> source build |
| [09:36:34] | justinh: | maybe 'FTA' patches :D |
| [09:36:44] | tgj: | fta? |
| [09:36:53] | justinh: | exactly |
| [09:37:06] | tgj: | free to air? |
| [09:37:09] | ** stuarta shussshhes justinh ** | |
| [09:37:13] | tgj: | free trade agreement? |
| [09:37:31] | tgj: | its actualy the latm patch |
| [09:37:54] | ** justinh googles ** | |
| [09:38:01] | wagnerrp: | is that the he-aac thing for australia? |
| [09:38:14] | tgj: | no |
| [09:38:23] | tgj: | its hte he-aac thing for new zealand and norway |
| [09:38:26] | justinh: | hmm not interesting |
| [09:38:39] | justinh: | sack your package manager |
| [09:38:53] | justinh: | or just use something else (tm) |
| [09:38:57] | pat_: | you say ubuntu? |
| [09:39:06] | tgj: | ? |
| [09:39:07] | wagnerrp: | a, i presumed new zealand and australia were on the same broadcast system |
| [09:39:12] | tgj: | no |
| [09:39:26] | tgj: | they are two different countries thousands of kilometres from each other |
| [09:39:27] | pat_: | make a dpatch of it, and build the source packages with your patch |
| [09:40:05] | justinh: | btw uk peeps who have bother watching ITV HD.. somebody at work got a freeshat box at the weekend & real hardware crashes with ITV HD, so God help y'all |
| [09:40:08] | tgj: | ive already changed the source |
| [09:40:20] | stuarta: | justinh: excellent :) |
| [09:40:25] | tgj: | i just need to compile it |
| [09:40:39] | tgj: | but i can't install qt-mt |
| [09:40:50] | ** stuarta beats head against desk ** | |
| [09:40:58] | tgj: | but i can't install qt-mt-dev actually |
| [09:41:26] | justinh: | stuarta: he presses the red button to go to HD (on the rare occasion it's broadcast) then it's ok-ish til the ads come on – whereupon it bounces back to SD. You then have to press red again to go back to HD mode! |
| [09:41:41] | justinh: | whereupon the STB usually crashes & needs a reboot |
| [09:41:47] | wagnerrp: | HAH |
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| [09:42:14] | justinh: | and that's a Humax freeshat box, not some Aldi no-brand crap |
| [09:44:22] | tgj: | will qt4 work? |
| [09:44:37] | justinh: | qt4 is a trunk-only kinda thing |
| [09:44:59] | tgj: | truck-only -> for older programs? |
| [09:45:07] | justinh: | what? |
| [09:45:16] | wagnerrp: | trunk is the development branch |
| [09:45:20] | justinh: | seriously if you don't follow this stuff you shouldn't be building from source! |
| [09:45:20] | tgj: | ok |
| [09:45:23] | justinh: | :-O |
| [09:45:30] | tgj: | like i said i have no choice |
| [09:45:30] | wagnerrp: | 0.21-fixes is the stable branch (what you should be using) |
| [09:45:42] | tgj: | it is what i am using |
| [09:45:51] | justinh: | should be using packages.. doubtful about even those tbh |
| [09:45:57] | tgj: | i am trying to install a dependency |
| [09:46:08] | stuarta: | what distro? |
| [09:46:08] | tgj: | dont be rude |
| [09:46:12] | tgj: | ubuntu |
| [09:46:13] | wagnerrp: | ubuntu |
| [09:46:20] | stuarta: | apt-get builddep mythtv |
| [09:46:27] | stuarta: | or build-dep |
| [09:46:29] | stuarta: | can't remember |
| [09:46:33] | justinh: | build-dep |
| [09:46:40] | justinh: | it's smack the noob day :) |
| [09:46:43] | justinh: | (every day) |
| [09:46:48] | ** stuarta smacks self ** | |
| [09:46:51] | justinh: | it's what makes loonix so cool |
| [09:47:16] | justinh: | where it's fine to smack people for not knowing prerequisites in the classic catch-22 scenario |
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| [09:48:39] | stuarta: | you don't learn without a good smack in the head occasionally |
| [09:49:09] | wagnerrp: | better if the smack in the head is accompanied by loss of data |
| [09:49:16] | tgj: | yeah it doesnt work |
| [09:49:49] | tgj: | cannot find -lqt-mt again |
| [09:50:07] | wagnerrp: | did you start from scratch? or just do another 'make'? |
| [09:50:39] | tgj: | start from scratch as in ./configure? |
| [09:50:51] | wagnerrp: | 'make clean' and './configure' |
| [09:50:55] | stuarta: | no |
| [09:50:58] | stuarta: | make distclean |
| [09:51:07] | ** directhex cleans stuarta ** | |
| [09:51:14] | ** stuarta fluffles directhex ** | |
| [09:51:42] | ** wagnerrp leaves before they start yiffing ** | |
| [09:52:10] | justinh: | it's the schmuzzling I find offensive, personally |
| [09:52:25] | tgj: | i don't see why its going to work all of a sudden without qt-mt? |
| [09:52:41] | stuarta: | its not :) |
| [09:53:01] | justinh: | if you need to find real package names try apt-cache seach FOO |
| [09:53:08] | justinh: | where FOO is a string |
| [09:53:19] | stuarta: | hence the 'apt-get build-dep mythtv' |
| [09:53:22] | tgj: | no i've found the package it just won't install |
| [09:53:29] | stuarta: | installs _all_ the deps in one go |
| [09:53:40] | justinh: | tgj: have you uninstalled the mythtv packages? |
| [09:53:43] | tgj: | yeah it stopped at lame |
| [09:53:47] | tgj: | no |
| [09:54:02] | tgj: | i don't want to lose my config etc... |
| [09:54:14] | stuarta: | then backup your database |
| [09:54:24] | ** directhex wonders why tgj isn't just using packages ** | |
| [09:54:36] | tgj: | shall we go through this again? |
| [09:54:40] | ** stuarta mumbles something about patches ** | |
| [09:54:46] | tgj: | thankyou |
| [09:55:22] | tgj: | what happens if i don't uninstall the mythtv packages? |
| [09:55:36] | stuarta: | you have 2 myth's and they conflict |
| [09:55:46] | tgj: | wouldn't it overwrite the old myth? |
| [09:55:47] | stuarta: | = bad. mmmmkay? |
| [09:56:02] | stuarta: | also bad. mmmmkay? |
| [09:56:17] | stuarta: | tho not as bad as before |
| [09:56:18] | tgj: | same error |
| [09:56:29] | tgj: | cannot find lqt-mt |
| [09:56:35] | justinh: | oh for crying out loud! this lame product is disgusting. USB mouse support isn't plug & play. it's only detected at boot time. This company is effing DOOMED |
| [09:57:04] | tgj: | ??? |
| [09:57:11] | stuarta: | he hates his job |
| [09:57:25] | tgj: | wrong channel perhaps? |
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| [09:57:33] | justinh: | it's a bad time to hate your job too.. since the work market isn't exactly overflowing right now |
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| [09:58:08] | tgj: | so back to my problem |
| [09:58:33] | stuarta: | have you done 'apt-get build-dep mythtv' yet? |
| [09:58:38] | justinh: | ENOTENOUGHDISTROKNOWLEDGE |
| [09:58:47] | stuarta: | have you done 'sudo apt-get build-dep mythtv' yet? |
| [09:59:03] | tgj: | when i try to get the build dependencies it says cannot find lame and then says it can find lame but it is called something else and stops |
| [09:59:20] | tgj: | saying the dependencies cannot be satisfied |
| [09:59:24] | tgj: | mind boggling? |
| [09:59:28] | justinh: | ahh that'll be because you don't have the right sources enabled then |
| [09:59:29] | stuarta: | well need to fix that first |
| [09:59:36] | justinh: | muleyverse etc etc |
| [09:59:48] | justinh: | *mutleyverse, omniverse ... |
| [09:59:59] | stuarta: | prosenverse |
| [10:00:18] | tgj: | multiverse? |
| [10:00:49] | justinh: | just enable everything 'non free – may harm kittens' :) |
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| [10:01:25] | tgj: | yeah its all enabled |
| [10:01:40] | tgj: | main restricter universe |
| [10:01:49] | tgj: | multiverse |
| [10:01:55] | tgj: | medibuntu |
| [10:02:00] | tgj: | archive.ubuntu |
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| [10:02:51] | justinh: | medibuntu? why are those enabled? there may be trouble ahead... |
| [10:03:03] | tgj: | it says liblame-dev is not available, but it is replaced by libmp3lame-dev |
| [10:03:12] | stuarta: | so install that |
| [10:03:15] | justinh: | so sudo apt-get install libmp3lame-dev |
| [10:03:25] | tgj: | its already installed |
| [10:03:48] | justinh: | sounds like the build-dep definitions are broken then |
| [10:03:52] | justinh: | WHOOPS |
| [10:03:57] | stuarta: | so anyway |
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| [10:04:14] | tgj: | thats why im so gobsmacked!!!! |
| [10:04:22] | justinh: | you can still proceed but you might have a lot of dev packages to install manually |
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| [10:04:42] | stuarta: | apt-get install libqt3-mt-dev |
| [10:04:51] | tgj: | ive installed them all except for libqt3-mt-dev |
| [10:04:56] | tgj: | it won't install |
| [10:05:32] | stuarta: | why? |
| [10:06:20] | tgj: | depends libcupsys2-dev |
| [10:06:35] | tgj: | which in turn depends gnutls |
| [10:06:49] | tgj: | with some packages in between |
| [10:06:54] | tgj: | gnutls is already installed |
| [10:07:12] | tgj: | so im not just an idiot |
| [10:07:15] | stuarta: | pastebin the output of apt-get install libqt3-mt-dev |
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| [10:08:09] | justinh: | hey maybe dependency hell has finally found its way to ubuntu at long last. If so.. OH DEAR (ROFLMAO) |
| [10:08:31] | tgj: | http://pastebin.com/m7e7820ff |
| [10:09:05] | gbee: | why on earth is libqt3-mt pulling in libcups? |
| [10:09:07] | stuarta: | it's normally having weird repos added that breaks stuff |
| [10:09:14] | tgj: | my question |
| [10:09:15] | tgj: | also |
| [10:09:21] | tgj: | isn't it for printing? |
| [10:09:32] | sid3windr: | gbee: because qt lets you print! ;) |
| [10:10:07] | gbee: | cups is the printing subsystem, libqt3-mt is the multithread QT plugin/addon |
| [10:10:56] | gbee: | I can understand qt having a cups dependancy, but not mt |
| [10:11:46] | gbee: | or at least not a dependancy which wouldn't have been pulled in by the core qt packages |
| [10:12:37] | tgj: | i assume you have all compiled your own mythtv |
| [10:12:59] | stuarta: | some of are devs so yes |
| [10:13:13] | tgj: | but just don't use ubuntu? |
| [10:13:28] | stuarta: | debian ~= ubuntu |
| [10:13:43] | tgj: | but obviously haven't had this problem |
| [10:14:12] | directhex: | justinh, build-deps can't be broken – they're required for the package to be built. missing build-deps == FTBFS |
| [10:16:52] | justinh: | stuarta: weird repos like medibuntu to work around ffmpeg being totally useless on ubuntu |
| [10:17:12] | justinh: | useless/impotent/patent-avoiding |
| [10:17:26] | stuarta: | yeah, debian has the same |
| [10:18:22] | justinh: | not that building ffmpeg yourself is hard, though |
| [10:18:34] | stuarta: | look what i found http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4385681 |
| [10:19:39] | stuarta: | tgj: guess what you need to do? |
| [10:20:11] | sid3windr: | debian-multimedia++ |
| [10:20:49] | tgj: | install windows? |
| [10:21:45] | stuarta: | read the fucking link i just posted |
| [10:21:56] | stuarta: | directhex: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=460431 |
| [10:21:57] | tgj: | i did |
| [10:22:08] | stuarta: | and what did it say? |
| [10:22:10] | tgj: | and weren't you just having a go at me for swearing? |
| [10:22:17] | stuarta: | not me :) |
| [10:22:57] | tgj: | it says try installing libcupsys2.... i already have like 20 times |
| [10:23:05] | stuarta: | -dev ? |
| [10:23:10] | tgj: | ofcourse |
| [10:23:32] | tgj: | non dev wouldnt be much use to me |
| [10:23:40] | tgj: | im trying to compile |
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| [10:24:15] | tgj: | besides non-dev is already installed |
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| [10:24:27] | stuarta: | righto, from reading the debian bug |
| [10:25:09] | stuarta: | it looks like there is a package available which is newer than the standard one that comes with the distro, which breaks the dependency chain from the bottom |
| [10:25:10] | tgj: | ok i switched to from new zealand repo to default |
| [10:25:29] | tgj: | and now i can't even find the package |
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| [10:26:45] | tgj: | now says it is replaced by 3 packages |
| [10:27:03] | tgj: | compat-headers, headers and dev-tools |
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| [10:32:25] | tgj: | i don't suppose you guys could just put the patch in the next release? |
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| [10:32:42] | tgj: | for those of you who are devs |
| [10:33:30] | justinh: | the hole that lets me into SVN has probably healed over by now |
| [10:37:49] | tgj: | damn it |
| [10:38:01] | tgj: | sorry +stuarta |
| [10:38:23] | Dibblah: | What patch is this? |
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| [10:38:39] | tgj: | latm he-aac |
| [10:38:55] | tgj: | high tech sound encryption |
| [10:39:24] | Dibblah: | Sheesh. |
| [10:39:29] | Dibblah: | Encoding, you mean. |
| [10:39:51] | tgj: | yeah that thing |
| [10:40:07] | gbee: | there's a patch for latm he? |
| [10:40:34] | tgj: | yes |
| [10:40:40] | tgj: | very simple |
| [10:40:47] | tgj: | 3 lines of code |
| [10:41:14] | Dibblah: | Why on earth would you want that? |
| [10:41:16] | gbee: | doubt it, since ffmpeg doesn't support LATM HE yet |
| [10:41:26] | Dibblah: | It's designed for low bitrate streams. |
| [10:41:31] | tgj: | i need it to listen to tv |
| [10:41:34] | Dibblah: | Oh, I see. Pirate. |
| [10:41:36] | gbee: | and without support in ffmpeg ... |
| [10:41:37] | Dibblah: | ;) |
| [10:42:17] | Dibblah: | There was a HE-AAC patch shown some time ago, but the author recanted it, due to the above lacking support. |
| [10:42:55] | tgj: | yeah i hate the government |
| [10:43:08] | tgj: | i don't understand what is wrong with normal he-aac |
| [10:43:15] | tgj: | or even just ac3 |
| [10:43:38] | Dibblah: | You realise that Myth only records (currently) in mp3, right? |
| [10:43:47] | Dibblah: | For software encoding... |
| [10:44:27] | tgj: | yeah its why i need myth and not mediaportal |
| [10:45:16] | tgj: | mediaportal doesn't record |
| [10:45:23] | tgj: | it just writes the ts straight to disc |
| [10:45:24] | justinh: | ruh? |
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| [10:45:30] | justinh: | so does myth |
| [10:45:31] | Dibblah: | So why do you need HE-AAC, then? |
| [10:45:37] | doc__: | hi there |
| [10:45:39] | justinh: | unless you use a framegrabber |
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| [10:45:52] | justinh: | doc__: there isn't here. look: |
| [10:45:54] | justinh: | !seen there |
| [10:45:54] | MythLogBot: | there has not been seen here |
| [10:45:54] | AndyCap: | I'm guessing mediaportal doesn't support lamegrabbers |
| [10:45:57] | tgj: | so it does record HE-AAC? |
| [10:46:04] | doc__: | ¿ |
| [10:46:34] | Dibblah: | Only if the original program is sent in HE-AAC and you're recording it with a DVB/Firewire/... card. |
| [10:47:03] | tgj: | why else would i need latm he-aac decoding? |
| [10:47:21] | tgj: | do you think i enjoy trying to compile mythtv? |
| [10:48:51] | Dibblah: | Okay. Well, unless you are able to put in the support yourself, I don't believe compiling Myth will help you. |
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| [10:49:04] | Dibblah: | However, I could be wrong! |
| [10:49:12] | tgj: | theres a patch |
| [10:49:14] | Dibblah: | Where is the patch you want to apply? |
| [10:49:25] | tgj: | svn |
| [10:49:32] | tgj: | can't remember the address |
| [10:49:32] | Dibblah: | trac, you mean. |
| [10:49:35] | Dibblah: | URL? |
| [10:49:36] | tgj: | yeah trac |
| [10:50:41] | tgj: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5487 |
| [10:51:35] | Dibblah: | Okay. Try it – If it works for you, you need to note that in the ticket. |
| [10:51:57] | tgj: | well doesn't loook like im ever going to be able to compile it |
| [10:52:29] | tgj: | might have to switch back to mediaportal |
| [10:52:31] | Dibblah: | Why on earth would a commercial broadcaster do that? |
| [10:52:32] | tgj: | but its poos |
| [10:52:42] | Dibblah: | Is this a radio stream? |
| [10:52:44] | tgj: | no |
| [10:52:47] | tgj: | tv |
| [10:52:50] | tgj: | hd |
| [10:52:58] | Dibblah: | That's... Very, very bizarre. |
| [10:53:19] | tgj: | one channel broadcasts in ac3 |
| [10:53:30] | tgj: | the rest (all state owned) broadcast only in aac |
| [10:54:07] | tgj: | it uses less bandwidth |
| [10:54:11] | tgj: | it does make sense |
| [10:54:25] | tgj: | i just wish every other country would adopt it |
| [10:54:28] | tgj: | so we get support |
| [10:55:22] | Dibblah: | It doesn't make *any* sense. |
| [10:55:37] | Dibblah: | 56kbps vs 128kbs. |
| [10:56:05] | tgj: | its more like 128kbs vs 512kbs |
| [10:56:05] | Dibblah: | Where the video is 3Mbits/s. |
| [10:56:47] | tgj: | surrouind sound |
| [10:56:48] | tgj: | hd |
| [10:57:01] | tgj: | video is 10mb/s |
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| [10:58:24] | Dibblah: | So you're talking less than 1/10th. |
| [10:58:42] | tgj: | less than 1/20th |
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| [10:59:51] | gbee: | turns out that you can patch faad for latm, which is why that patch isn't entirely useless |
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| [11:00:27] | Dibblah: | Isn't libfaad on the way out in terms of Myth? |
| [11:01:27] | tgj: | after 20 channels that is an extra channel |
| [11:01:43] | tgj: | and if it is standard def its even more |
| [11:01:50] | Dibblah: | Meaning everything that can be done in libav* is being? |
| [11:02:33] | Dibblah: | However, since you can't fit 20 channels on a mux... |
| [11:04:13] | tgj: | http://forum.doom9.org/archive/index.php/t-141792.html |
| [11:05:20] | tgj: | i don't think its a limitation of channels its a limitation of bandwidth |
| [11:05:31] | gbee: | Dibblah: yes,libfaadd will be redundant when HE-LATM finally gets finished in FFMPEG, until then libfaad is still a supported option and no harm is done applying the mpeg tables patch |
| [11:05:39] | tgj: | therefore if you can save bandwidth wouldn't it be smart to do it where possible? |
| [11:07:04] | gbee: | but I'm reviewing the patch now and I might have to check with Daniel or janneg first since I can't see why it hasn't already been committed |
| [11:09:43] | tgj: | thankyou |
| [11:10:18] | stuarta: | gbee: the concern that comes to mind is that it'll mis-identify streams in other territories as audio streams that aren't actually audio streams |
| [11:10:39] | stuarta: | i'd have to dig through the code a bit more to confirm/deny |
| [11:14:02] | gbee: | that's one concern, it should only happen with non compliant mpeg streams – but we all know how that one goes |
| [11:14:34] | stuarta: | unfortunately there are an awful lot of broadcaster that aren't compliant in some way |
| [11:15:20] | gbee: | only way we're going to know for sure is if people test it, for that it's probably going to have to be committed – you can't get people to test something which offers them no benefit |
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| [11:17:46] | gbee: | sadly |
| [11:19:20] | gbee: | they'll scream and shout when you break something, but they don't queue up to test before that happens |
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| [11:23:40] | tgj: | guess what i just found |
| [11:23:50] | tgj: | +stuarta you will be stoked |
| [11:23:55] | stuarta: | enlightenment? |
| [11:24:00] | tgj: | http://pkendall.homeip.net/?p=41 |
| [11:24:29] | tgj: | i can remove all those dev packages |
| [11:25:02] | stuarta: | that's from the guy who wrote the patch |
| [11:25:12] | tgj: | yeah i saw that |
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| [11:41:21] | Dibblah: | And there I was thinking Avilipsha had given up on his programming career. :( |
| [11:41:40] | stuarta: | he hasn't? |
| [11:41:51] | Dibblah: | Unfortunately, no. |
| [11:42:08] | stuarta: | :( |
| [11:42:18] | Dibblah: | Didn't respond to my email, either. |
| [11:43:29] | Dibblah: | 14 emails to the dev list and not one of them even slightly getting-a-clueish. |
| [11:43:51] | Dibblah: | I could understand it if he was actually looking at the code or something... |
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| [11:49:12] | ** gbee has frostbite ** | |
| [11:49:43] | ** directhex freezes gbee ** | |
| [11:50:05] | ** stuarta suggests anti-freeze in your coffee ** | |
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| [11:50:54] | gbee: | clearing snow with my bare hands wasn't the smartest idea |
| [11:51:19] | stuarta: | no snow here :( |
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| [11:51:44] | k-man__: | hello |
| [11:52:31] | k-man__: | when i go to the watch recordings screen, the date column truncates all the dates to "1..." |
| [11:53:00] | k-man__: | is there some way I can fix that? I have short date set to "14/12 Tue" format |
| [11:53:33] | gbee: | k-man__: edit the theme |
| [11:53:49] | gbee: | even better edit the theme then submit patches |
| [11:53:56] | k-man__: | gbee, hmm.. |
| [11:54:00] | k-man__: | that sounds tricky |
| [11:54:15] | gbee: | and tell us which theme so we can mock the author |
| [11:54:26] | gbee: | k-man__: it's not, really |
| [11:54:42] | k-man__: | theme is lulius |
| [11:54:47] | k-man__: | maybe i should try a different theme |
| [11:55:02] | k-man__: | i have a 4x3 TV |
| [11:55:09] | k-man__: | any recommendations on a theme? |
| [11:55:28] | gbee: | blootube or MythCenter |
| [11:55:50] | k-man__: | blootube is not an option for me |
| [11:56:03] | k-man__: | is that in .21? |
| [11:56:05] | gbee: | it's trivial to edit the theme, just increase that column width and maybe shift it left to compensate for the extra width |
| [11:56:15] | k-man__: | ok |
| [11:56:16] | k-man__: | let me see |
| [11:56:25] | gbee: | k-man__: third party theme, should be packages for it |
| [11:56:41] | k-man__: | gbee, thanks |
| [11:58:30] | k-man__: | oh, its Iulius not Lulius |
| [11:59:15] | k-man__: | any idea where to look for that date colum in the theme? |
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| [12:03:35] | ilikesthemedia: | hello folks. I have a remote set up. I can do irw /dev/lircd and get the correct input, which is nicely mapped in /etc/lirc.conf. What I can't seem to do is pass the input to mythtv frontend (0.21 from mythbuntu). I have a .lircrc.conf file which seems to be correct. Would any one have any ideas on what may be the cause of my issue? |
| [12:04:17] | ilikesthemedia: | oops rather than .lirc.conf i should have written lirc.conf |
| [12:05:08] | gbee: | k-man__: ui.xml, playbackbox iirc, the listarea |
| [12:05:22] | k-man__: | gbee, cool, thanks for the pointer |
| [12:05:24] | gbee: | could be wrong on the window name |
| [12:05:42] | k-man__: | gbee, i seem to be having trouble finding a homepage for blootube |
| [12:06:30] | Dibblah: | I don't suppose anyone has power usage reports for the VDPAU capable cards? |
| [12:06:44] | gbee: | that's because Justin deleted it, he was tired of people emailing him for support |
| [12:06:56] | gbee: | k-man__: which distro? |
| [12:06:56] | k-man__: | hehe |
| [12:06:59] | k-man__: | debian |
| [12:07:11] | k-man__: | using the marillat builds |
| [12:07:39] | gbee: | hmm, I know that there are Ubuntu packages, but I've no idea about Debian – never even seen or heard from a debian packager |
| [12:07:59] | gbee: | Dibblah: not afaik |
| [12:08:33] | k-man__: | gbee, hmm.. can i just download the files and drop them in somewhere? |
| [12:09:55] | gbee: | k-man__: it's in svn, so you can check it out from there |
| [12:10:07] | k-man__: | gbee, ok, thanks |
| [12:10:37] | gbee: | svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0- . . . es/blootube/ |
| [12:11:04] | gbee: | you might want the matching OSD, or another non-default one |
| [12:11:16] | gbee: | e.g. metallurgy |
| [12:11:25] | k-man__: | gbee, oh... that sounds interesting |
| [12:11:36] | k-man__: | thanks for giving me the svn line |
| [12:11:50] | gbee: | http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0- . . . -preview.png |
| [12:13:13] | k-man__: | oh – had to install svn |
| [12:17:26] | k-man__: | where do you specify the OSD theme? |
| [12:18:32] | k-man__: | oh nm, i found it |
| [12:19:12] | k-man__: | hmm |
| [12:19:25] | k-man__: | well, blootube is very nice – but the dates are still truncated |
| [12:19:36] | k-man__: | at least, some of them are at any rate |
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| [12:24:22] | k-man__: | gbee, anyway, i'm off to bed – thanks for your help |
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| [12:34:40] | ilikesthemedia: | ok, anyone that read my question 15 minutes ago: disregard it, I have it sorted |
| [12:36:48] | ilikesthemedia: | another thing tho that I cant seem to find on google, when doing a modprobe -r usbhid i loose audio, despite not even having a usb audio device. Would anybody know the cause of that? |
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| [13:34:41] | clever: | configure says i need freetype installed, but libfreetype6-dev is allready installed |
| [13:38:32] | gbee: | clever check that the path is in ld.so.con |
| [13:38:34] | gbee: | f |
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| [13:39:32] | clever: | its under /usr/lib |
| [13:40:24] | clever: | and adding that to ld.so.conf didnt fix it |
| [13:41:15] | clever: | ahhh |
| [13:41:19] | clever: | g++: No such file or directory |
| [13:41:34] | clever: | now why the hell didnt it just say g++ was missing:P |
| [13:41:50] | ruskie: | lol |
| [13:42:00] | ruskie: | cause it has to make with the smarts ;) |
| [13:47:12] | clever: | next problem, it wants lame.h but libtwolame-dev gives twolame.h |
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| [13:49:15] | ** clever pokes dustybin ** | |
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| [13:51:57] | clever: | stuarta: know much about compiling mythtv on debian lenny? |
| [13:52:07] | stuarta: | it works |
| [13:52:23] | clever: | i cant even get mine to configure |
| [13:52:35] | clever: | lame.h is missing, and libtwolame-dev only provides twolame.h |
| [13:52:42] | stuarta: | ah... |
| [13:52:54] | stuarta: | there's a new package name |
| [13:53:11] | clever: | something cryptic that doesnt contain lame and dev? |
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| [13:53:35] | stuarta: | libmp3lame-dev: /usr/include/lame/lame.h |
| [13:53:52] | clever: | package not found |
| [13:53:59] | clever: | extra repo? |
| [13:54:08] | stuarta: | yeah, one sec |
| [13:54:23] | stuarta: | deb http://debian-multimedia.fx-services.com lenny main |
| [13:54:50] | gbee: | it's not in standard repos for patent reasons – nasty patent trolls have a habit of suing people |
| [13:55:05] | stuarta: | even umbongo has a separate repo |
| [13:55:28] | clever: | so i'll need to detect which distro im on and add the right repo... |
| [13:55:31] | clever: | ugh! |
| [13:55:32] | gbee: | ogg ftw |
| [13:56:13] | stuarta: | why ftw? |
| [13:56:36] | stuarta: | clever: there's probably an official site telling you which repo to use |
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| [13:57:09] | stuarta: | http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ |
| [13:57:49] | gbee: | stuarta: no nasty patent trolling and supposedly better audio quality at equivalent bitrates |
| [13:58:06] | clever: | stuarta: im making a script to install&config debian/ubuntu |
| [13:58:11] | stuarta: | well yes, i use it on my mp3 player :) |
| [13:59:22] | clever: | so the script needs to know about the differences between ubuntu and debian, and handle them properly |
| [13:59:53] | stuarta: | not only that, pick the correct mirror :) |
| [14:00:03] | clever: | lol |
| [14:00:38] | gbee: | Captain_Murdoch was going to make the lame dep optional by including support for encoding in other formats |
| [14:01:08] | stuarta: | do we only use that for software encoding? |
| [14:01:20] | stuarta: | aka lamegrabbers |
| [14:01:22] | clever: | transcoding includes software encoding |
| [14:01:29] | gbee: | and transcoding |
| [14:01:33] | stuarta: | hmpf |
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| [14:02:03] | gbee: | but only if you reencode when transcoding |
| [14:02:24] | clever: | which is 80% of the reason why i transcode:P |
| [14:02:29] | clever: | and the default for every transcode profile |
| [14:03:38] | clever: | though it would be better to lossless the audio AND compress the video |
| [14:03:46] | clever: | but mythtranscode doesnt have an option to mix the 2 right now |
| [14:03:53] | stuarta: | wouldn't it also be only for mp3 containers? |
| [14:04:16] | ** clever pokes the feature list ** | |
| [14:04:16] | clever: | stuarta: you would need lame for ripping a cd to mp3 also |
| [14:04:17] | clever: | in mythmusic |
| [14:04:35] | stuarta: | i prefer ripping to ogg anyway |
| [14:04:53] | clever: | but lame probly isnt an optional feature there either |
| [14:06:16] | stuarta: | not afaik |
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| [14:38:13] | shadash: | does anybody know what the current status of the mythtv wondows port is? |
| [14:38:19] | shadash: | Is it useable? |
| [14:41:09] | GreyFoxx: | You'd likely be better asking on the mailling lists, I don't think many people use it on here |
| [14:43:13] | sprout: | I don't know if you've seen http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Windows_Port looks like a complicated build process, with no offical binaries? |
| [14:44:17] | GreyFoxx: | definitely no official binaries, and I believe they have a ticket open with a build script to do the work for you |
| [14:44:48] | perilousapricot: | sprout: I'd cut a baby for an (even experimental) binary. I don't use my windows machine for development, so installing an entire dev environment for one program is a little excessive |
| [14:45:15] | shadash: | thanks |
| [14:45:44] | shadash: | having windows binaries would be nice |
| [14:45:59] | shadash: | not that I care either way |
| [14:46:06] | shadash: | as long as things work |
| [14:46:58] | shadash: | I'm willing to bet a windows binary will be released with .22 |
| [14:47:07] | GreyFoxx: | Hehe not likely :) |
| [14:47:10] | stuarta: | i'm willing to be against that |
| [14:47:23] | shadash: | why it seems to make sense |
| [14:47:29] | shadash: | get everyone to the same level |
| [14:47:36] | stuarta: | it's alpha quality at best atm |
| [14:47:41] | shadash: | ahh |
| [14:47:53] | shadash: | what about frontend only? |
| [14:47:54] | GreyFoxx: | shad: it barely works, and is not officially supported or worked on |
| [14:47:56] | stuarta: | like "it compiles and kinda works" |
| [14:48:03] | stuarta: | it is frontend only |
| [14:48:07] | sprout: | well i'm certainly for cutting babies, but I don't have any windows systems :(, maybe someone will provide binaries once it gets a bit more mature |
| [14:48:10] | shadash: | sounds good |
| [14:48:33] | stuarta: | unlikely to be a backend running on windows anytime soon |
| [14:49:28] | clever: | i would prefer to have something like a ubuntu and windows binary package from the same version |
| [14:49:48] | shadash: | Personally Linux is my os of choice but the wife is used to windows. So putting a frontend on a windows system woudl make more sense to her. |
| [14:49:51] | ** stuarta washes clever's mouth out with soap ** | |
| [14:49:52] | clever: | so i could just stick a extra windows frontend beside the existing distro package frontends |
| [14:50:04] | clever: | doesnt have to be ubuntu |
| [14:50:41] | clever: | could be a debian and windows package, from the same source |
| [14:51:09] | shadash: | I just created a custom respin of RHEL 4.4. It took a little while but wasn't that hard to customize anaconda |
| [14:51:49] | shadash: | The mythdora group does some strange things |
| [14:52:09] | shadash: | they try to configure a lot of things automagically |
| [14:52:47] | shadash: | I'm more in the camp of use the install cd to put everything needed on the disk. Then let the users configure it |
| [14:53:45] | iamlindoro: | Well that would be completely the opposite the point of a myth distro, then |
| [14:53:54] | shadash: | why? |
| [14:54:00] | iamlindoro: | whose sole pupose is to *avoid* user intervention |
| [14:54:17] | shadash: | stuff everything on the disk let people configure themself |
| [14:54:26] | iamlindoro: | yes, you said that |
| [14:54:32] | iamlindoro: | It's just not the point. |
| [14:54:38] | shadash: | what I' |
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| [14:55:21] | shadash: | what I'm seeing with the mythdora distro is they try to customize the install so much that they paint themself into a corner when it comes to upgrades |
| [14:55:50] | iamlindoro: | example? |
| [14:56:32] | shadash: | well when I used it i used the regular yum repositories for updates and started to have problems |
| [14:56:47] | shadash: | the obvious solution was not to update |
| [14:56:55] | iamlindoro: | example of said problems? |
| [14:57:21] | shadash: | I was using dag as a repository and the myth rpms started screwing up |
| [14:57:25] | shadash: | that was one issue |
| [14:57:30] | iamlindoro: | and yes, in general, no mythbox of *any* distro should be blindly updated, by the way |
| [14:57:48] | iamlindoro: | so you added extra repositories and things started breaking. Imagine that. |
| [14:57:54] | shadash: | ;-) |
| [14:58:06] | iamlindoro: | Definitely the packager's fault. |
| [14:59:37] | shadash: | Well if there was less customization on the initial os install it would 1. be more tolerant of using different repos. 2. would be easier to update/respin new versions |
| [15:00:09] | shadash: | basically what I want is the new fedora 10 boot sequence and myth |
| [15:00:10] | iamlindoro: | What does "customization" have to do with *you* having enabled conflicting repositories? |
| [15:00:21] | gbee: | and you might as well use an ordinary distro |
| [15:00:27] | iamlindoro: | You broke it, it's *your* fault |
| [15:00:43] | shadash: | I understand where you're coming from |
| [15:02:22] | shadash: | my thought is to create a basic fedora 10 respin witn myth on it. Show people how to modify it and how to add custom scripts to ks.cfg and see what happens |
| [15:02:56] | gbee: | heh, so the days of "I'm a mac and I don't get viruses" is officially over with Apple apparently advising Mac owners to invest in anti-virus software |
| [15:03:01] | shadash: | once the whole process is layed out it's not that hard to do |
| [15:03:30] | shadash: | it's just that RH doesn't make figureing out the process very easy |
| [15:03:31] | gbee: | that's got to be hurting a lot of fanboys |
| [15:04:08] | shadash: | doh |
| [15:04:43] | shadash: | actually mac's are a more desirable target b/c it's unix |
| [15:05:04] | shadash: | with scp and expect you can do some cool things |
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| [15:37:24] | clever: | having compile problems again |
| [15:37:38] | clever: | the mythtv binary cant link up because xinerama stuff is missing |
| [15:38:05] | clever: | it looks like its missing -l flags |
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| [15:42:02] | perilousapricot: | where would be a good place to look for mythtranscode errors? there's one show that always manages to bomb out its transcode jobs |
| [15:42:38] | clever: | the backend log |
| [15:42:41] | perilousapricot: | also, I'm getting sweet segfaults when I leave video playback mode |
| [15:42:50] | clever: | the frontend log |
| [15:43:00] | perilousapricot: | it just says, "segmentation fault" |
| [15:43:12] | perilousapricot: | I enabled the verbose 'playback' log and nothing special pops up |
| [15:43:57] | perilousapricot: | I tried running it on GDB, and the thread that crashes cdoes it in some weird library, and the highest stack frame is in a library file |
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| [15:48:01] | perilousapricot: | my last lines are: 2008-12–02 00:04:38.981 ~OpenGLVideoSync() — end |
| [15:52:09] | stuarta: | sounds like the destructor is segfaulting |
| [15:57:11] | perilousapricot: | I disabled the opengl thing and it crashes too |
| [15:58:31] | perilousapricot: | Closing XVideo port 325 |
| [15:58:34] | perilousapricot: | segmentation fault |
| [15:58:44] | stuarta: | are you using a package, or what version etc etc. |
| [15:58:52] | perilousapricot: | mythbuntu |
| [15:59:15] | stuarta: | did you install the debug package? |
| [15:59:39] | perilousapricot: | just the standard one |
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| [16:00:11] | stuarta: | i'm fairly sure there's a package which puts the library symbols back so the gdb output is more useful |
| [16:00:40] | perilousapricot: | 0.21.0+fixes18722 |
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| [16:01:05] | perilousapricot: | what sort of incantation should I use on GDB? |
| [16:01:21] | stuarta: | see wiki section 22.2 |
| [16:04:54] | perilousapricot: | is there something other than xvideo that would work?" |
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| [16:13:20] | iamlindoro_: | There's a debug repository, and he'd need to install the mythtv-dbg packages AFAIK |
| [16:13:52] | perilousapricot: | it's a debian repository? |
| [16:13:54] | perilousapricot: | I'll look that up |
| [16:14:10] | iamlindoro_: | and ubuntu repository, yes |
| [16:14:13] | iamlindoro_: | er an |
| [16:14:18] | perilousapricot: | that's what I meant |
| [16:14:18] | stuarta: | why not do apt-cache search mythtv |
| [16:14:29] | perilousapricot: | I did apt-cache search mythtv | grep dbg |
| [16:14:33] | perilousapricot: | nothing |
| [16:14:36] | perilousapricot: | or under debug |
| [16:14:38] | iamlindoro_: | debug repos is not included by default |
| [16:14:44] | iamlindoro_: | you will need to find and add it |
| [16:14:55] | perilousapricot: | cool, I'll do that |
| [16:15:46] | iamlindoro_: | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash |
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| [16:17:40] | shadash: | has anybody ever used an ati rage XL in a frontend? I know it's old but it's the only mini-pci card available |
| [16:18:36] | stuarta: | check driver support. think it's a bit poor |
| [16:19:03] | iamlindoro_: | key being "can it do Xv" |
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| [16:20:05] | shadash: | the digimatrix is a nice little system but has sis graphics or a mini-pci slot |
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| [16:38:11] | iamlindoro_: | Another day, another failed god damn Seagate 1 TB |
| [16:39:51] | shadash: | failure or purchase? |
| [16:39:59] | abqjp: | My es.2 1tb drives have been solid. |
| [16:40:15] | at0m|c: | failed hd, a computer's worst nightmare eh |
| [16:40:17] | iamlindoro_: | abqjp: These are all es.2 |
| [16:40:18] | abqjp: | I think I am glad I spent a little more to get the es.2 version. |
| [16:40:22] | abqjp: | Oh? |
| [16:40:28] | iamlindoro_: | indeed |
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| [16:41:05] | iamlindoro_: | I think I've *almost* cycled all the originals out for repaired drives now |
| [16:41:11] | iamlindoro_: | and that's about 50-some |
| [16:41:21] | abqjp: | I only have 6. |
| [16:41:25] | iamlindoro_: | Repaired drives have all worked fine-- but the originals... ugh |
| [16:41:39] | abqjp: | Okay, guess I have been lucky. |
| [16:41:52] | at0m|c: | abqjp, hold wood :> |
| [16:41:59] | iamlindoro_: | "Seagate returns, c/o Jabil global services, something something parkway, McAllen Texas" |
| [16:42:12] | shadash: | I had a snap server that had a raid setup and drives almost always failed in pairs |
| [16:42:17] | shadash: | then xfs corrupted |
| [16:42:17] | iamlindoro_: | One or two more drives and I'll have the "something something" memorized |
| [16:45:23] | iamlindoro_: | "VDPAU update from the front lines, December 2008"... I wonder if I am wrong to let this thread, title included, get under my skin |
| [16:45:29] | ham: | mythbunutu mytharchive error on each try message say last attemp failed and goes no further. I can not find a mythburn.lck file on my machine. Un installed mytharchive and rebooted aand reinstalled still get the same error message and no DVD creation help welcomed and apprieciated |
| [16:48:51] | gbee: | ]t=hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
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| [16:49:25] | iamlindoro_: | NO CARRIER |
| [16:49:40] | stuarta: | i thought he sneezed and that was a furball |
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| [16:56:11] | iamlindoro_: | abqjp: I presume since they all came in together that they were part of a bad batch. I've started buying the WD Greens for work as well as Myth and I've had better luck. |
| [16:59:54] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: you've gotta get WD to up their largest drive size to 1.5TB, then I'm on board. :) |
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| [17:00:29] | LEsinnlos: | hello can i make that the "composite 1" is an channel ? |
| [17:00:37] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: What good is that extra 500 GB when it's in the shop? |
| [17:00:49] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: this is classic "tree falls in the woods" |
| [17:00:58] | iamlindoro_: | As a HDD in for repairs really larger? |
| [17:01:01] | iamlindoro_: | er Is a |
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| [17:01:52] | iamlindoro_: | LEsinnlos: What is it you want to record via composite? |
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| [17:03:08] | LEsinnlos: | no but i will not realy chance all the time my input device in the menu |
| [17:03:21] | iamlindoro_: | Huh? |
| [17:03:33] | iamlindoro_: | *what* do you plan to record from composite |
| [17:03:46] | iamlindoro_: | Video games? VCR? Etc? |
| [17:03:49] | sphery: | LEsinnlos: if you're talking about setting up a fake channel and associating it with an extra input (composite 1) to allow recording "one off" shows like for transferring VHS recordings to Myth, I can get you a reference |
| [17:04:12] | iamlindoro_: | If you are talking about a video game, then that will not be possible with myth |
| [17:04:13] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: it's the thought (of the extra 500GB) that counts :) |
| [17:04:42] | LEsinnlos: | shery: yes that right |
| [17:04:45] | shadash: | the ATI RAGE XL only does 2d :-( and it's the only mini-pci video card available |
| [17:05:20] | sphery: | LEsinnlos: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/354701#354701 and http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/232857#232857 (the second is the one linked from the first) |
| [17:05:35] | iamlindoro_: | That's not to say that using myth to record VCR output is the best approach |
| [17:05:40] | sphery: | LEsinnlos: but the short version is, "Myth is the wrong tool for the job" |
| [17:05:42] | iamlindoro_: | In fact, it's a bad approach |
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| [17:06:33] | LEsinnlos: | sphery: no i have also an dvb-t reciver on mythtv and an analog input :) |
| [17:06:44] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: got a Kill-A-Watt? |
| [17:07:26] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: No, my kill-a-watt is my power bill :) |
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| [17:08:08] | daburn: | any of you use the hauppauge hd pvr just noticed it records hd directv satellite signals |
| [17:08:34] | iamlindoro_: | daburn: There are many myth users using the HD-PVR. Yes, you can record HD from a set top box with it. |
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| [17:09:07] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: I was intrigued by gbee's mention of on-GPU vs on-CPU decoding power requirements and wondered if you could get "at-the-wall" measurements for the 2 different decoding types (with H.264 and MPEG-2) |
| [17:09:37] | daburn: | sweet iamlindoro |
| [17:10:01] | gbee: | sphery: I'd do that for you, but I'm having trouble finding a meter at the price I want to pay |
| [17:10:09] | sphery: | LEsinnlos: yeah, using the DVB-T capture card in MythTV with guide data is good. Using the analog input should probably be done outside Myth (for the PVR-x50's I used to use, I would just use dd to capture from a VCR tape). |
| [17:10:23] | sphery: | gbee: if you weren't over the pond, you could get one cheap :) |
| [17:10:25] | gbee: | was in Maplins at the weekend looking for one |
| [17:10:42] | iamlindoro_: | sphery, gbee: I read a few articles yesterday on the reduced power consumption of GPU-decode versus CPU |
| [17:10:53] | gbee: | they had them at £10 a few weeks ago, now £24 >:( |
| [17:10:54] | iamlindoro_: | I'll see if I can find them again |
| [17:11:02] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: cool |
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| [17:13:15] | ** gbee puts the livetv transcoding thread on ignore ** | |
| [17:13:28] | laga: | gbee: do you know how to do that in thunderbird? |
| [17:13:39] | gbee: | laga: sorry, no |
| [17:13:52] | laga: | i'd love such a feature |
| [17:14:29] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: I can understand that it could be more efficient to use a GPU, but I'd like to see real measurements instead of constantly hearing people say things like, "Well, it's so obvious from an intuitive perspective that it's obviously saving 2–3kW to use my GPU which is connected to the mobo with a 75W PCIe slot and 2 (75W?) HDD molex connectors rather than decoding on my 65W TDP Core 2." |
| [17:15:00] | ** sphery thinks his post is what tipped gbee over the edge (since it was the most-recent post on that thread) ** | |
| [17:15:42] | gbee: | sphery: no it was the follow up |
| [17:15:53] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: HAve you been reading "VDPAU from the front lines" or whatever? |
| [17:16:03] | iamlindoro_: | That subject line is making me crazy |
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| [17:16:14] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: Is that the one YL is in? |
| [17:16:35] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: yes |
| [17:16:50] | sphery: | gbee: just read the follow up... completely wrong patch he was talking about. |
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| [17:16:57] | gbee: | sphery: that question of power usage seems even more relevant with the energy efficient CPUs, e.g. the 45W Athlons |
| [17:17:05] | sphery: | (though the other is still relevant as the how to get what he wants) |
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| [17:17:37] | sphery: | gbee: exactly (although the whole AMD doesn't report TDP anymore thing is why I mentioned Core 2) |
| [17:17:56] | gbee: | the whole thread has got out of hand, SNR beyond my tolerance level, haven't the time |
| [17:18:11] | sphery: | And, a GPU with 225W of power connections seems, well, like it /could/ take a lot of power. :) |
| [17:18:41] | gbee: | sphery: they don't? The cpu I bought was marketed specifically on it's 45W TDP |
| [17:19:49] | sphery: | gbee: they're reporting a number, but it's lower than a(n :) historical TDP measurement would have been |
| [17:20:15] | gbee: | huh |
| [17:20:29] | sphery: | http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductIn . . . .html#122968 "How does ACP relate to Thermal Design Power (TDP)?" |
| [17:20:51] | sphery: | basically, they use an "average" power usage |
| [17:21:10] | sphery: | so the 45W is probably really a 65W |
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| [17:21:22] | ]Oscar: | re |
| [17:21:36] | iamlindoro_: | Let me see your frontend logs from the channel first |
| [17:21:40] | ]Oscar: | yep |
| [17:22:04] | ]Oscar: | 2008-11–30 00:02:38.494 Something went terribly wrong in PMT parsing when looking at program info |
| [17:22:06] | ]Oscar: | 2008-11–30 00:02:38.494 Something went terribly wrong in PMT parsing when looking at program info |
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| [17:22:37] | ]Oscar: | this is 4 times at same timestamp |
| [17:22:49] | ]Oscar: | 2008-11–30 00:02:38.744 mpegts_read_header: could not find any PMT's |
| [17:24:01] | iamlindoro_: | Only Janneg will likely be able to tell you if that's because of the divergent mpegts.c, but you're right, the recent fix isn't relevant to this |
| [17:24:15] | ]Oscar: | can I upper the log levels? |
| [17:24:16] | ]Oscar: | :( |
| [17:24:26] | iamlindoro_: | you can do mythfrontend -v playback |
| [17:24:34] | ]Oscar: | and for backend? |
| [17:24:39] | gbee: | sphery: http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductIn . . . 3076,00.html |
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| [17:25:04] | gbee: | still labelling figures as TDP, not ACP |
| [17:25:06] | iamlindoro_: | same, -v most is probably adequate |
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| [17:25:35] | sphery: | gbee: hmmm... I guess that it TDP. |
| [17:25:42] | ]Oscar: | ok,... i'll try. see you later. And thank you very much |
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| [17:26:16] | stuarta: | ]Oscar: best logging for that is --verbose siparser,channel,record |
| [17:26:37] | ]Oscar: | stuarta: front, back or both? |
| [17:26:55] | gbee: | sphery: all that matters to me is that relative to their other Athlons it's significantly lower |
| [17:27:12] | iamlindoro_: | ]Oscar: That would be relevant to backend only |
| [17:27:18] | ]Oscar: | ok |
| [17:27:22] | iamlindoro_: | (what stuarta said, that is) |
| [17:27:31] | stuarta: | well if it's the frontend crashing |
| [17:27:33] | ]Oscar: | :) |
| [17:27:36] | stuarta: | then do it on the frontend |
| [17:27:52] | stuarta: | but generally yes, it's done on the backend only |
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| [17:29:08] | iamlindoro_: | stuarta: I think it's literally not recording for him, AFAICT because of the divergent PMT parsing in mpegts.c |
| [17:29:31] | stuarta: | knew there was something useful in scrollback :-) |
| [17:29:39] | ]Oscar: | right :) |
| [17:29:45] | iamlindoro_: | Much of the differences between the libavformat one and the myth one are in PMT parsing, but I know there's a reason we keep ours... but janneg would know best |
| [17:31:49] | dustybin: | clever has moved into #debian, poor people lol |
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| [17:32:10] | ]Oscar: | I'll be back with increased logs,... i'm going home :) |
| [17:32:24] | clever: | dustybin: dont worry, i wont leave #mythtv-users, i can play with 2 channels at once |
| [17:32:31] | ]Oscar: | bye |
| [17:32:33] | dustybin: | :P |
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| [17:33:46] | iamlindoro_: | Actually, looking at the code, it appears that it should only break for him if the stream itself is broken |
| [17:33:49] | iamlindoro_: | aaaaaand he's gone |
| [17:34:14] | LEsinnlos: | well .. mythtv dont can usw composite1 as an channel ? |
| [17:34:34] | kormoc: | iamlindoro__, btw, I rock the c++, "error: functional cast expression list treated as compound expression" |
| [17:34:48] | sphery: | Hmmm... Kill-a-Watt at amazon is $22.39 w/free shipping and at newegg is $16.49 (after $3.50 instant rebate) plus $6.99 S&H = $23.48 . Annoying when they do that. |
| [17:34:59] | iamlindoro_: | kormoc: hahaha |
| [17:35:30] | iamlindoro_: | kormoc: What is it you're working on? |
| [17:36:13] | sphery: | LEsinnlos: if you follow the instructions in the second post I gave you, you can set Myth up to use composite1 as a channel for recording from a VCR (or whatever) without guide data. Then, when you use it, you'll find out why Myth is the worst possible tool for doing that. |
| [17:36:14] | kormoc: | iamlindoro_, first, I encapsulated the detect letter box patch into it's own object, so it was much cleaner, and now I'm attempting to add vspau support to it |
| [17:36:24] | kormoc: | *cdpau |
| [17:36:26] | iamlindoro_: | Oh, nice! |
| [17:36:27] | kormoc: | *vdpau |
| [17:36:51] | kormoc: | the encapsulated format works great, but the vdpau stuff is a nightmare |
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| [17:36:57] | sphery: | LEsinnlos: if you're trying to get Myth to record from a set-top-box receiver from your cable/satellite company that outputs to the composite input of your capture card (and for which guide data is available), that's a whole different story and Myth would be a great solution for it |
| [17:37:01] | iamlindoro_: | God, why did he run out, I think I have the fix for his PMT thing |
| [17:37:05] | GreyFoxx: | korm: Sweet! |
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| [17:39:29] | kormoc: | GreyFoxx, I'm sure someone with more c++ stuff will have to clean it up a bit, but it's looking like it might just work after I go fully insane ;) |
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| [17:40:28] | iamlindoro_: | Well the important thing is that we will have all gotten something out of it |
| [17:40:32] | iamlindoro_: | We'll speak nicely of you |
| [17:40:40] | kormoc: | Good to know! |
| [17:41:41] | kormoc: | iamlindoro_, you know it's a winning error message when you google for it and your own pastebin is result #3 and the other two are russian translations :) |
| [17:41:50] | iamlindoro_: | HA |
| [17:42:03] | iamlindoro_: | At least you don't make totally embarrassing pedestrian errors like me |
| [17:42:19] | RyeBrye: | Here's a funny article about DVR-induced guilt: http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/TV/12/02/tivo.guilt/index.html |
| [17:42:31] | RyeBrye: | "You want to watch TV, and what do you have? You turn on your DVR and you have a homework assignment," says Brad Berens, chief content officer for iMedia Communications, who analyzes how media advances change people's behavior. |
| [17:42:35] | RyeBrye: | Umm... WTF? |
| [17:42:56] | RyeBrye: | i guess TiVo's don't have timestretch... – do your 'homework' in half the time! ;) |
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| [17:45:34] | sphery: | RyeBrye: Yeah, the DVR guilt is the reason that my storage space has been growing continuously since I started with Myth. |
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| [17:46:51] | sphery: | "I've got three weeks' worth of 'The Mentalist,' two weeks worth of 'New Adventures of Old Christine' and 'Gary Unmarried,' three weeks worth of 'Ugly Betty,' two weeks worth of 'Fringe,' two 'Inside the Actors Studios,' one 'Shield,' and two 'Without A Traces,' " wrote columnist Elissa Bass of The (New London, Connecticut) Day recently |
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| [17:47:09] | sphery: | That's nothing... I have every episode of 'The Mentalist' (unwatched) and waiting to see if it makes the cut. |
| [17:47:39] | RyeBrye: | yeah... I thought "Oh, I can relate" until I realized that when they said "weeks worth" they didn't measure a weeks worth in 168-hour increments... |
| [17:47:44] | RyeBrye: | They mean "I have 2 hours worth... |
| [17:47:47] | sphery: | same for Gary Unmaried, have all the Ugly Betty's from this season (which I will watch eventually, but not until the season is over) |
| [17:48:16] | sphery: | exactly... Guess when you have a 60GB HDD for TV, you measure time differently |
| [17:49:02] | RyeBrye: | I've been hoarding hd recordings of heroes, prison break, knight rider, crusoe, and terminator sarah connor chronicles waiting for someone to write an AVCHD-based mytharchive thing so I can burn the HD recordings to normal DVD's for playback on a PS3 |
| [17:49:26] | ** RyeBrye should probably buy a few more HD's so he can wait longer :) ** | |
| [17:49:59] | sphery: | I watch and delete everything. If it's good enough to keep, I'll buy DVD's (don't yet have Blu-Ray, but would consider that for those where it's worthwhile--source material wise) |
| [17:50:05] | RyeBrye: | yeah, with only a 60 GB HDD – time would be a big deal – plus, the fact that TiVo will randomly record shit you didn't tell it to and delete stuff you did tell it to record that isn't protected... |
| [17:50:22] | sphery: | yeah, the "and things like it" is just plain stupid |
| [17:50:24] | RyeBrye: | I burn TONS of kid movies off for my son |
| [17:50:50] | RyeBrye: | I'll remove the commercials, and squash 6 hours onto a single layer DVD for him to watch on his portable DVD player |
| [17:51:04] | sphery: | that makes sense--kids shows get watched multiple times--but for me, very little is ever watched multiple times (gotta be a really good show like Stargate SG-1 or Firefly) |
| [17:51:30] | RyeBrye: | Yeah, the only reason for backing up stuff is mostly for the "can I borrow" factor for my friends... but then again... I don't have friends |
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| [17:52:57] | sphery: | Yeah, I don't have friends who are worth the cost of my time required to make DVD's. I'd rather just buy them the season on DVD, as the price is lower (as it allows me to do things I want with the time I save) |
| [17:53:02] | RyeBrye: | ha :) "Rosie Live" died after 1 episode |
| [17:53:08] | sphery: | yeah, saw that |
| [17:53:30] | RyeBrye: | It would have been even more of an epic fail if they killed it halfway into the first episode :) |
| [17:53:33] | RyeBrye: | That would have been hilarious |
| [17:54:05] | sphery: | I did like the commercial for it "I know you were once married to Tom Arnold" ... "No...I had a daytime talk show" ... "Oprah?" ... "No." ... "Ellen?" ... "Getting closer." |
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| [17:59:39] | gbee: | right, definately selling my Athlon 64 2800+ (1.8Ghz) on ebay, there are people paying upto £50 .... which is quite a bit more than a 2.5Ghz x2 |
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| [18:00:15] | gbee: | even at £20, which is probably the median, that's a decent return for what is a pretty old cpu |
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| [18:01:41] | DarKnesS_WolF: | good evening guys i have a very strange situation and i want to know if it is normal behavior or i have something mess configured, |
| [18:01:44] | DarKnesS_WolF: | now i have twinhan 1027 card installed on a centOS desktop , the DVB works and i have added 2 frqance both are V which holding few channels |
| [18:01:47] | DarKnesS_WolF: | then i have a frontend on my laptop and a frontend on the desktop " where the backend installed " so if i am watching i channel on freqance A from the laptop frotent , the backend should watch the same freqanc ! he can't go to any channels @ freq. B .. even the channels from freq B are not appering the channle switching on up / down movments .. is that normal ? |
| [18:07:32] | sphery: | DarKnesS_WolF: Map a key to NEXTCARD and hit it to go to the next card |
| [18:07:59] | sphery: | but, yeah, it's doing what it should do |
| [18:08:22] | DarKnesS_WolF: | sphery: i don't have a NEXTCARD what u mean with NEXTCARD ? |
| [18:08:53] | DarKnesS_WolF: | and that is means 2 frontend can't watch 2 diffrent freq. ? |
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| [18:12:18] | sphery: | DarKnesS_WolF: there's a key binding NEXTCARD which would allow it to switch to the next card in the system, though on re-reading it sounds like you have only one card, which means you can only watch a channels from a single multiplex with a single capture card. So, go buy another capture card if you want to watch other channels at the same time (and then map the NEXTCARD binding) |
| [18:14:13] | DarKnesS_WolF: | sphery: really ? mmmmmm sounds very strange .. that even in case the both channels are on Vertical ? |
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| [18:15:43] | sphery: | DarKnesS_WolF: I don't know what Vertical is, but if it's a multiplex, then you can watch the 2 different channels at the same time. |
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| [18:15:53] | sphery: | If it's not the same multiplex, you can't. |
| [18:16:04] | iamlindoro_: | Sounds like a polarity |
| [18:16:15] | sphery: | DVB-S stuff? |
| [18:16:16] | iamlindoro_: | Left/Right/Horizontal/Vertical |
| [18:16:20] | sphery: | I don't know how that works. |
| [18:16:22] | iamlindoro_: | yes |
| [18:16:37] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: I think he was assuming that polarity was somehow like being on the same multiplex, which it's not |
| [18:17:10] | sphery: | DarKnesS_WolF: and, ^^^ is the answer (thanks, iamlindoro_ ) |
| [18:17:24] | iamlindoro_: | Well, I wouldn't know if it's *the* answer, but it's *an* answer ;) |
| [18:17:42] | DarKnesS_WolF: | ues it is DVB-S |
| [18:17:58] | DarKnesS_WolF: | mm i assue that Multiplex = freqancy " set of channels " ? |
| [18:18:05] | iamlindoro_: | yes |
| [18:18:14] | iamlindoro_: | or bouquet if you like |
| [18:18:35] | sphery: | multiples = one physical frequency, which may contain multiple "logical" channels as streams |
| [18:18:39] | sphery: | multiplex |
| [18:18:41] | DarKnesS_WolF: | so the solution will be adding another card |
| [18:18:45] | iamlindoro_: | yes |
| [18:18:55] | DarKnesS_WolF: | so if i want to watch 3 channels from 3 diffrent bouquet ? |
| [18:19:01] | iamlindoro_: | then you need three cards |
| [18:19:05] | sphery: | yep, one capture card per physical frequency you wish to tune |
| [18:19:19] | DarKnesS_WolF: | crap :-s |
| [18:19:23] | ** sphery goes to look up "bouquet" ** | |
| [18:20:04] | DarKnesS_WolF: | but i am sure there is a solution , i mean it can't be wiht all this IP-TV things we are living in and i can't tune more than one freq. |
| [18:20:08] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Actually, I was wrong to use the term bouguet, as it can apply to multiple freqs |
| [18:20:13] | iamlindoro_: | er bouquet |
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| [18:20:37] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: all I can find out on the 'net is that a bouquet is a bunch of flowers... :) |
| [18:20:44] | iamlindoro_: | DarKnesS_WolF: There's no "hack" or anything, tuner hardware is designed to lock to a single frequency at a time |
| [18:21:32] | sphery: | found stome stuff |
| [18:21:57] | sphery: | which says exactly what you just did: "A bouquet may comprise many transport streams across many. satellite/cable/ terrestrial frequencies." |
| [18:22:02] | DarKnesS_WolF: | mmmm, but that is sooo strange so if i have 4 computers for IP-TV system i'll need 4 tuners and i'll need 4 LNB |
| [18:22:17] | iamlindoro_: | DarKnesS_WolF: That's not strange, that's how DVB works |
| [18:22:36] | iamlindoro_: | (and all other transmission methods, actually) |
| [18:22:46] | iamlindoro_: | One tuner = one frequency |
| [18:23:02] | sphery: | we won't even tell him how new the code to watch multiple channels from the same multiplex at the same time is... :) |
| [18:23:21] | DarKnesS_WolF: | :D |
| [18:24:13] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: I'm just glad you got that Seagate drive fixed so you could help with the DVB-S translations here (since I don't know the satellite stuff) |
| [18:24:26] | sphery: | fixed = replaced with a WD |
| [18:24:33] | DarKnesS_WolF: | hahha |
| [18:24:38] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Heh, I don't really either, just from reading. But the drive is still out, need to wait for tape backup to finish |
| [18:24:38] | DarKnesS_WolF: | i can help :-) |
| [18:24:49] | DarKnesS_WolF: | i have DVB-S but i'll need a guidness on how to help |
| [18:25:31] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: well, then, glad tape backup is slow :) |
| [18:26:11] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: boy is it... especially for 3 TB |
| [18:26:24] | DarKnesS_WolF: | 3TB of what ? |
| [18:26:29] | sphery: | seems I should have bought my 2 new PSU's yesterday as newegg's $35 off on their Antec Earthwatts 430W PSU's just ended (and I still have 2 PSU's whose fans are failing) |
| [18:26:52] | iamlindoro_: | DarKnesS_WolF: Does it matter? Medical data. |
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| [18:27:25] | gbee: | sphery: worth just replacing the fans? |
| [18:27:30] | psipsi: | Anyone have a video card suggestion for playing with VDPAU? |
| [18:27:37] | psipsi: | I am considering: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127396 |
| [18:27:38] | gbee: | don't |
| [18:28:24] | DarKnesS_WolF: | iamlindoro_: mmmmm strange i am seeing lots of doctors are geeks now days :) |
| [18:28:24] | sphery: | gbee: these are cheap PSU's that came with cheap cases, so--with my new line of thinking, which involves a love of 80+ PSU's--no |
| [18:28:38] | iamlindoro_: | DarKnesS_WolF: Oh I'm no doctor, just work in biotech right now |
| [18:28:45] | iamlindoro_: | psipsi: That should work nicely |
| [18:28:58] | DarKnesS_WolF: | iamlindoro_: same also :d biotech eng. and so on :) |
| [18:29:43] | psipsi: | iamlindoro_: thanks... it's fairly cheap, but I wanted to make sure. |
| [18:29:47] | sphery: | 80+ was annoying when it was "an incentive program to encourage better energy efficiency" but actually just cost the consumer about 2x as much as a normal PSU, but now it's worthwhile since you can often buy 80+ PSU's for about the same as non-80+ PSU's |
| [18:29:51] | DarKnesS_WolF: | iamlindoro_: sphery so if you are having like a cable or so, u'll not need DVB, so also u'll be able to watch more than one channel at the same time ? |
| [18:29:57] | DarKnesS_WolF: | i don't know how cables work not in egypt yet :-D |
| [18:30:46] | iamlindoro_: | DarKnesS_WolF: No matter what type of television you have, you will always need one tuner for one frequency |
| [18:30:59] | iamlindoro_: | DVB-T, US cable, DVB-S, etc. |
| [18:31:09] | sphery: | DarKnesS_WolF: no, generally on cable TV systems, they use either analog transmission (which is always 1 channel per frequency) or DVB (or DVB-like) transmission, which may group several channels on one multiplex (frequency), but whether they're actually worth watching at the same time is another matter |
| [18:31:13] | ** gbee googles 80+ ** | |
| [18:31:55] | DarKnesS_WolF: | mmmm ic |
| [18:31:58] | sphery: | DarKnesS_WolF: and--at least here in the US--the cable companies often encrypt most of the channels, so you actually need a set-top-box receiver, which means you no longer get to record multiple channels from the same multiplex because the STB only outputs one channel |
| [18:32:05] | sphery: | gbee: 80plus.org |
| [18:32:23] | gbee: | already reading up on it :) |
| [18:32:47] | sphery: | gbee: the one Antec Earthwatts PSU I have gives 80% efficiency or higher from 20% to 100% load |
| [18:33:03] | sphery: | my cheap PSU's are probably <65% efficient |
| [18:33:26] | sphery: | and really are most efficient at a specific load (around 70–80%, likely) |
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| [18:34:13] | wagnerrp: | even 'cheap' PSUs are usually rated at >70% at full load |
| [18:34:13] | gbee: | interesting, I'd wondered whether it would be worth getting a new PSU as part of my attempt to cut power bills, the Enermax I'm using in this machine for example is a few years old now |
| [18:34:17] | iamlindoro_: | Hmm, I wonder what the efficiency on my BE PSU is at home |
| [18:34:25] | wagnerrp: | however i have no idea what efficiency at partial load is |
| [18:34:41] | sphery: | newegg even has 80+, 80+ Bronze, and 80+ Silver categories: http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCategory.aspx? . . . wer-Supplies |
| [18:35:06] | sphery: | the silver isn't worth the cost (and tends to only be available on the ~1kW PSU's) |
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| [18:35:21] | sphery: | the bronze might be if you get a deal, but IMHO the 80+ is definitely worthwhile |
| [18:35:40] | DarKnesS_WolF: | sphery: iamlindoro_ thx alot , i'll dig more |
| [18:35:51] | sphery: | This time, I'm going to buy one before my old PSU fails, then run the system on my kill-a-watt with the old, then run it with the 80+ and compare usage |
| [18:36:11] | wagnerrp: | seems my HDHR is sitting outside currently! |
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| [18:38:41] | wagnerrp: | free shipping from newegg, and it was picked up only yesterday |
| [18:38:50] | sphery: | nice |
| [18:39:02] | sphery: | I'd complain, though, because it was "guaranteed 3-day shipping" |
| [18:39:23] | wagnerrp: | 24 hours (and 28 minutes) from pickup to delivery |
| [18:40:20] | sphery: | that's impressive even if the newegg warehouse is next door |
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| [18:40:40] | wagnerrp: | memphis to cincinnati |
| [18:44:20] | daburn: | im thinking of ordering from newegg right now that hd-pvr |
| [18:44:22] | daburn: | 215 or so |
| [18:44:26] | wagnerrp: | 'tuner 0' and 'tuner 1'? i suppose they expect their user base to be programmers? |
| [18:44:33] | wagnerrp: | daburn: its much cheaper from dell |
| [18:44:36] | wagnerrp: | like $30 les |
| [18:44:39] | daburn: | ah ok ill check out dell then |
| [18:44:46] | sphery: | daburn: link on the -users list |
| [18:45:11] | daburn: | had no idea anything existed to record direct tv hd |
| [18:45:19] | daburn: | is there a good front end for myth support in xbmc yet? |
| [18:45:23] | wagnerrp: | yeah, came out this summer |
| [18:45:38] | daburn: | nice |
| [18:45:46] | wagnerrp: | relatively new (the hdpvr, not xbmc stuff) |
| [18:46:23] | daburn: | yeah how is the myth support going pretty well? |
| [18:46:34] | wagnerrp: | in trunk, pretty well |
| [18:46:40] | wagnerrp: | in 0.21-fixes, non-existant |
| [18:46:48] | daburn: | ah ok |
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| [18:47:08] | daburn: | ill have to experiment all my htpc is missing is recording tv, but supposed to be getting fios tv this month so have to see |
| [18:47:27] | gbee: | daburn: xbmc user? Ahh well, nobody is perfect |
| [18:47:31] | psipsi: | iamlindoro_: What's the link to the latest driver with VDPAU? Same as the original announcement? |
| [18:47:38] | daburn: | haha gbee:p |
| [18:47:47] | daburn: | been one since day one have a few buddies on dev team |
| [18:47:54] | sphery: | psipsi: it's the 180.08 version, IIRC |
| [18:48:02] | sphery: | psipsi: I think the original was 180.06 |
| [18:48:45] | gbee: | 180.08 can't be found through their website, but the links can be googled |
| [18:48:52] | psipsi: | sphery: Ok. I'll search for that. |
| [18:49:10] | psipsi: | gbee: I'm having trouble finding... will google it. |
| [18:49:51] | ** sphery is using 173.14.12 (obviously without VDPAU, as I have no need for it and don't have a supported card, anyway) ** | |
| [18:50:30] | gbee: | and running beta drivers, with alpha software is not recommended ;) |
| [18:50:40] | psipsi: | HA! |
| [18:50:48] | GreyFoxx: | spipsi: Go to nvnews.net, go to the linux forums |
| [18:50:56] | psipsi: | http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=1847941 |
| [18:50:59] | GreyFoxx: | at the top is a "Current versions" or some such sticky post |
| [18:51:04] | GreyFoxx: | it's linked there |
| [18:51:16] | psipsi: | GreyFoxx: thanks! |
| [18:51:20] | iamlindoro_: | psipsi: sorry, just getting back to the desk, but looks like you're sorted |
| [18:51:28] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: does your client really not have a tab-auto-complete for nicks? (I'm just curious as I figured all IRC clients would have it.) |
| [18:51:28] | gbee: | I've bookmarked their FTP server, easier that way |
| [18:52:08] | psipsi: | iamlindoro_: I'm already downloading... thanks! |
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| [18:53:22] | GreyFoxx: | sphery: Yeah it does, I just turned it off one day because it kept misidentifing the person and I just haven't bothered to turn it back on :) |
| [18:54:14] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: Oh, cool. I'm too lazy to type, so I use mine. |
| [18:54:16] | GreyFoxx: | sphery: Auto complete Test |
| [18:54:27] | GreyFoxx: | that was auto completed :) |
| [18:54:49] | GreyFoxx: | At one people we had a bunch of users in here with nicks that started the same and it annoyed me :) |
| [18:54:54] | GreyFoxx: | err at one point |
| [18:55:00] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: just got my latest 1.5TB Seagate. Total of 3, now, so preparing for multi-failures. |
| [18:55:05] | GreyFoxx: | I swear I loose more braincells every day |
| [18:55:17] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: now you're just enjoying mentioning this too much ;) |
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| [18:55:23] | sphery: | yeah, in mine if I keep hitting tab it goes to the next match |
| [18:55:43] | camelreef: | good evening from Scotland |
| [18:55:46] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: I want it known I'm a rebel |
| [18:55:52] | gbee: | sphery: space whore |
| [18:56:08] | camelreef: | I have an auto-transcode question |
| [18:56:16] | camelreef: | I'm a DVB-T user |
| [18:56:24] | camelreef: | so recording MPEG2-TS streams |
| [18:56:27] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Without a...? |
| [18:56:32] | sphery: | gbee: isn't that what Inara was in Firefly? |
| [18:56:50] | gbee: | :P |
| [18:56:51] | camelreef: | I've setup the DVB hardware encoders recording profile to do auto-transcode |
| [18:57:03] | camelreef: | lossless MPEG2-TS to MPEG2-PS |
| [18:57:03] | shadash: | has anybody ever tried a SSD before? |
| [18:57:10] | camelreef: | 20% HDD space savings |
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| [18:57:15] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: yeah, and my last name means that I was called the "rebel without a clue" since high school |
| [18:57:23] | camelreef: | transcode is happening |
| [18:57:45] | camelreef: | logs show it rebuilduing keyframes tables |
| [18:57:55] | camelreef: | what I think is the seektable |
| [18:58:03] | camelreef: | but the result has a bad seektable |
| [18:58:12] | camelreef: | rebuilding the seektable manually fixes it |
| [18:58:46] | defaultro: | good afternoon folks. I need some help. I'm wondering why my Heroes recording is always between 51 and 54 minutes only. It varies. I looked at it and it's set to start and end on time. It also says 8–9pm. Then there is no other recording happening after Heroes. |
| [18:59:02] | camelreef: | I have a log there, starting with the end of the recording, then going into the transcode, then rebuilding the keyframes table, then going into the commflagging |
| [18:59:10] | camelreef: | http://youplala.net/~will/htpc/transcode_and_ . . . _problem.txt |
| [18:59:16] | camelreef: | what did I miss ? |
| [18:59:25] | defaultro: | all my other recordings says somewhere 59mins and 56 seconds |
| [18:59:25] | sphery: | defaultro: time watching it with a stopwatch and you'll see it's actually an hour (plus or minus a little bit for channel change, capture card startup, ...) |
| [18:59:40] | defaultro: | no it's isnt' because it's cut |
| [18:59:58] | defaultro: | I am missing like 2 mins of the show |
| [19:00:02] | sphery: | yeah, but it's cut by a few seconds because NBC ends it about 10:00:30 |
| [19:00:34] | sphery: | defaultro: it just so happens that the display is wrong because we use a hack to compute the duration which assumes a constant frame rate, but the commercials are broadcast at a different frame rate |
| [19:00:35] | defaultro: | so why isn't 9pm being followed or is it being followed? |
| [19:01:01] | defaultro: | so how do I fix the recording? It's weird that i did end time 5 mins late, it didn't help |
| [19:01:10] | sphery: | defaultro: if you really are missing a couple of minutes then your clock is likely wrong (you /should/ run ntp on /all/ mythtv boxes--frontends and backends) |
| [19:01:20] | defaultro: | nope, it's time sync |
| [19:01:24] | sphery: | defaultro: and you can always set myth to record late |
| [19:01:49] | defaultro: | i'm really wondering because it's only Heroes that is affected |
| [19:01:52] | sphery: | defaultro: but if you /time/ playback with a stopwatch, you'll see it recorded for exactly as long as you asked it to |
| [19:02:02] | defaultro: | k |
| [19:02:23] | defaultro: | i'll do this |
| [19:02:31] | sphery: | and, for me, Heroes has been cut off (about 30 seconds before the end at most) the last few weeks because NBC is broadcasting it that way |
| [19:02:42] | sphery: | and it's possible your local channel may be even later |
| [19:02:48] | defaultro: | k |
| [19:03:19] | sphery: | and it's possible that you're receiving your local channel through cable or satellite, which takes the original broadcast, then manipulates it for rebroadcast, thereby inducing further delay |
| [19:03:20] | defaultro: | START=`date`;mplayer recorded file;END=`date` |
| [19:03:26] | defaultro: | it's cable |
| [19:03:34] | defaultro: | k |
| [19:03:41] | sphery: | and if it's output from an STB, it may actually have STB-induced delay due to buffering |
| [19:03:53] | defaultro: | nope, it's direct from coax |
| [19:04:20] | defaultro: | i'll try manual recording from 8 to 9 |
| [19:04:30] | defaultro: | not sure, if that's going to help |
| [19:04:34] | sphery: | but the important part is that Myth is actually doing what it was told to do, but something else is causing it to end late, which is why myth has a setting to allow a recording rule to specify an end late time |
| [19:04:59] | defaultro: | i think it's ending earlier |
| [19:05:26] | sphery: | You think the recording is ending earlier (but it's not). I'm saying the show is ending late, so you need to tell Myth to record late. |
| [19:05:27] | defaultro: | start of the recording is perfect |
| [19:05:45] | sphery: | do you have a little bit of the previous show at the start? |
| [19:05:49] | defaultro: | yep, I said earlier that I added 5 mins later but it didn't help |
| [19:05:52] | defaultro: | it was still 52 |
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| [19:06:00] | defaultro: | yes, terminator |
| [19:06:12] | defaultro: | but time is 7 to 8 |
| [19:06:20] | defaultro: | central |
| [19:06:53] | sphery: | well, if you have a little bit of the previous show in the same recording file, that indicates that the network was broadcasting late |
| [19:07:05] | sphery: | little bit of the previous means a little bit missing from the current |
| [19:07:28] | defaultro: | oh, you mean, if I am capturing Terminator inside the Heroes mpg file? |
| [19:07:32] | sphery: | if you added 5 minutes to the recording rule (not in the mythtv settings), it will record 5 minutes later for real |
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| [19:08:05] | sphery: | no, I mean did the file that contained Heroes have a little bit of the end of the prior show (which, I think, would be Chuck) |
| [19:08:12] | sphery: | Mine did |
| [19:08:23] | sphery: | and mine missed about 30 seconds of the end of heroes |
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| [19:08:34] | defaultro: | ok |
| [19:08:39] | sphery: | and mine said about 52 minutes or whatever in the GUI when I looked at the OSD |
| [19:08:43] | defaultro: | what table does the schedule gets saved? |
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| [19:08:45] | sphery: | but it was actually an hour |
| [19:08:50] | defaultro: | k |
| [19:09:00] | defaultro: | let me do an ffmpeg -i on the file now |
| [19:09:11] | sphery: | listings are in program, but you're better off using MythWeb or mythfrontend to view the listings |
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| [19:09:31] | defaultro: | you are right, it says 59mins |
| [19:09:46] | sphery: | yeah, we use a hack to compute length for the OSD |
| [19:09:53] | sphery: | it's only a display issue |
| [19:09:58] | defaultro: | i'll check again if it does show the start of video correctly |
| [19:10:10] | defaultro: | brb, going to the basment theater now :D |
| [19:10:27] | sphery: | and it requires a /lot/ of new code to fix it properly (and really doesn't add much to usability--it's mainly cosmetic), so it's low priority |
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| [19:12:28] | defaultro: | it started 6 seconds earlier then it showed Previously on Heroes |
| [19:13:14] | defaultro: | I looked at the end, Claire said Dad and it got cut off |
| [19:13:24] | sphery: | actually, now that you mention it, last night's episode started in the middle of previously on, but still ended a few seconds short |
| [19:13:46] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: I was thinking about that, If we add FPS changes to recordedmarkup, exact OSD time should be possible (although a little more compute-intensive to generate) |
| [19:13:52] | defaultro: | where did yours got cut off? |
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| [19:15:05] | defaultro: | and last week, my friend told me that a gun was pointed to Sylar. I didn't get the recorded as well |
| [19:17:29] | sphery: | defaultro: look at your backend log(s) for lines like: http://pastebin.ca/1273814 (which proves that mine recorded from 21:00:04 until 22:00:03 --and, yes, there's a reason for the 3–4 seconds, but it's way too long to go into. If you're really curious, it's discussed on the lists.) |
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| [19:18:19] | sphery: | defaultro: last week's ended with the gun pointing and not knowing whether it was fired, this weeks ended just before I found out what actually happened, but I'll get that from the next "previously" |
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| [19:18:25] | AlNahar: | hi help |
| [19:18:31] | AlNahar: | when i change volume through lirc to mythtv, mythtv skips |
| [19:18:37] | sphery: | defaultro: but, it seems that NBC is just ending it late--probably because of the people using PVR's |
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| [19:19:02] | sphery: | AlNahar: are you using gnome-screensaver? |
| [19:19:07] | kormoc: | defaultro, so just tell the schedule to end +1/2/3 minutes later and start +1/2/3 minutes earlier |
| [19:19:22] | sphery: | exactly... |
| [19:19:51] | AlNahar: | sphery: yes |
| [19:19:53] | sphery: | AlNahar: likely, this would fix Myth, but may possibly break some gnome-screensaver functionality: ln -s /bin/true /usr/bin/gnome-screensaver-command |
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| [19:20:19] | defaultro: | ah, sphery, that makes sense now. They're ending it late |
| [19:20:33] | defaultro: | and the display messed me up :) |
| [19:20:49] | sphery: | defaultro: yeah, it's confusing if you don't realize that the display is wrong. :) |
| [19:21:11] | defaultro: | :) |
| [19:21:33] | sphery: | AlNahar: basically, Myth is calling gnome-screensaver-command on /every/ LIRC button press, so you just need to make a program gnome-screensaver-command that executes extremely quickly... I'll see about getting the fix into -fixes |
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| [19:22:26] | AlNahar: | sphery: thx |
| [19:22:49] | defaultro: | is there a theme that looks like the screen from our ipod touch or like those silver lights |
| [19:22:57] | wagnerrp: | well that was an amazingly painless install |
| [19:23:08] | defaultro: | i mean, when we move music selection or recorded show selection |
| [19:23:27] | wagnerrp: | 20 minutes from in my hands to integrated in mythtv |
| [19:23:44] | defaultro: | what did you integrate? |
| [19:23:49] | wagnerrp: | HDHR |
| [19:24:07] | defaultro: | i would like to integrate sopcast but I haven't seen a good howto |
| [19:24:09] | sphery: | AlNahar: I just posted the real fix to http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/ . . . tivate.patch . If you're building yourself, you can apply that patch and you won't need the workaround. |
| [19:24:24] | AlNahar: | sphery: do you think it will be in next myth? |
| [19:24:26] | AlNahar: | (atrpms) |
| [19:24:54] | defaultro: | so has anyone integrated sopcast with mythtv? |
| [19:25:09] | sphery: | AlNahar: It will definitely be in 0.22 when 0.22 is released (because it's in current trunk). I'm going to try to convince the devs to apply it to -fixes (so it will be in ATrpms/Ubuntu repos "soon"). |
| [19:25:29] | wagnerrp: | is sopcast actually legal in most places? |
| [19:26:03] | sphery: | in the meantime, you may be able to convince Axel to apply the patch I just uploaded. See and reference http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5893 for a description of the problem and the solution used by the patch. |
| [19:26:16] | wagnerrp: | 'build your own channels and broadcast it over the internet'.... sounds bad |
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| [19:26:53] | defaultro: | oh, i just learned that software today. I didn't know it was bad |
| [19:27:18] | sphery: | AlNahar: what distro are you using? |
| [19:27:19] | wagnerrp: | if they provide the content, it would probably be legitimate |
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| [19:27:35] | wagnerrp: | but since users provide the content, its probably flooded with copyrighted material |
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| [19:28:04] | wagnerrp: | meaning it falls under the same category as bittorrent as why it will not be supported by anything official |
| [19:28:12] | AlNahar: | f10 |
| [19:28:13] | defaultro: | k |
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| [19:29:20] | defaultro: | so going back to the themes, is there a theme that looks similar to the macs, overlapping images, gets bigger when mouse is placed on the active recording, etc |
| [19:29:40] | wagnerrp: | there cannot be a theme such as that |
| [19:29:48] | defaultro: | why? |
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| [19:29:54] | wagnerrp: | the old UI did not allow for such things |
| [19:30:06] | defaultro: | oh ok |
| [19:30:11] | defaultro: | do you know if there are plans? |
| [19:30:30] | wagnerrp: | the new UI being worked on in trunk is far more capable, but what it is capable of? i really have no idea |
| [19:32:04] | sphery: | it is actually capable of such a theme, but you'll have to wait for 0.22, then wait for a theme developer to make such a theme. :) |
| [19:32:57] | sphery: | I think theme development should pick up shortly after 0.22 is released because of all the new possiblities (and it hasn't picked up, yet, because of all the changes--which would require a lot of work to keep a new theme up to date) |
| [19:33:16] | sphery: | one 0.22 is out, it will stabilize, so more will be inclined to theme |
| [19:33:21] | iamlindoro_: | Overlapping images etc are definitely possible |
| [19:34:17] | iamlindoro_: | eg http://www.fecitfacta.com/before_qt.png |
| [19:34:26] | wagnerrp: | well overlapping images are probably possible already |
| [19:34:36] | sphery: | gets bigger when selected is possible, though the "mouse" part may not be (because of the whole--Myth is meant to be used with a remote--thing) |
| [19:34:43] | wagnerrp: | but not the smooth moving or resizing of images |
| [19:34:49] | iamlindoro_: | You could also skew the background ones to give it a more "coverflowy" sort of layout if you wanter |
| [19:34:51] | iamlindoro_: | wanted |
| [19:35:01] | iamlindoro_: | The motion paths are on the list last I checked |
| [19:35:15] | wagnerrp: | i mean for the old UI (current -fixes) |
| [19:35:17] | sphery: | wagnerrp: oh, right... I was talking about the new UI--didn't realize you were talking about the old. |
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| [19:35:52] | ]Oscar: | re |
| [19:35:57] | iamlindoro_: | Hi Oscar |
| [19:36:06] | iamlindoro_: | You are running .21, right? (not trunk?) |
| [19:36:10] | ]Oscar: | i have the logs... |
| [19:36:11] | wagnerrp: | im just going from the position that he is likely not going to try trunk anytime soon |
| [19:36:16] | ]Oscar: | uhm,... |
| [19:36:48] | ]Oscar: | 21.20080304 |
| [19:36:54] | iamlindoro_: | This patch applies to trunk, I am *not* sure that it will apply to fixes, but I'd like you to try it: http://rafb.net/p/83tMwN19.html |
| [19:37:04] | ** gbee explodes ** | |
| [19:37:06] | ]Oscar: | wow! :) |
| [19:37:45] | sphery: | ]Oscar: for gbee's sake, please quote the output of mythfrontend --version or mythbackend --version when someone asks your version :) |
| [19:37:48] | iamlindoro_: | I have no idea if it will successfully even apply to fixes, let alone build, so you may have to play with trunk to try it, and it might not even work them |
| [19:37:59] | gbee: | heh |
| [19:38:03] | ]Oscar: | ooops,... |
| [19:38:21] | sphery: | ]Oscar: but in pastebin if you quote it in IRC :) |
| [19:39:00] | gbee: | ]Oscar: we're joking, don't worry about it :) |
| [19:39:03] | ]Oscar: | so, now I need teh trunk... |
| [19:39:07] | sphery: | ]Oscar: mainly because what you quoted is just a binary API version that doesn't say much (i.e. it could be some versions of trunk or any version of 0.21-fixes) |
| [19:39:18] | ]Oscar: | I'm so happy to have that patch to try,... :) |
| [19:39:31] | ]Oscar: | yes ok |
| [19:39:34] | gbee: | although the output of --version is preferred to package versions since they are often meaningless |
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| [19:39:39] | sphery: | ]Oscar: I'd try the patch in -fixes, first. |
| [19:39:55] | sphery: | and if you're using packages, you can likely get source rpms or debs to use to build your own |
| [19:40:11] | iamlindoro_: | and *please* backup your DB before trying anything |
| [19:40:19] | gbee: | or the binary version (library API version) as sphery mentioned |
| [19:40:22] | abqjp: | http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081202 . . . nes-wmp.html |
| [19:40:32] | iamlindoro_: | that way if you do have to go to trunk or whatever you could always revert to a known good DB + .21-fixes |
| [19:40:34] | jedi__: | you should be backing up your DB daily anyhow... |
| [19:40:37] | ]Oscar: | eheheh for db no problem, I don't have nothing to save, really |
| [19:40:40] | sphery: | going to trunk is a one-way path--there's no going back except by restoring a backup |
| [19:40:58] | sphery: | ]Oscar: and for doing backups/restores, I recommend: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Database_Backup_and_Restore |
| [19:41:18] | wagnerrp: | ugh... ive got a recording scheduled tonight with the 'new episodes only' filter, but the original airdate is back in november |
| [19:41:24] | iamlindoro_: | ]Oscar: This is Italy DVB-T? Do you know if there's anything unusual about it? |
| [19:41:29] | ]Oscar: | yes ITaly |
| [19:41:38] | ]Oscar: | no I dont' know |
| [19:41:40] | ]Oscar: | :( |
| [19:42:00] | iamlindoro_: | okay... well, this patch brings the part that's failing more or less up to current ffmpeg, so let's just see what happens |
| [19:42:04] | ]Oscar: | Can I get some data and send it to you? there is any way? |
| [19:42:14] | sphery: | wagnerrp: are you sure it's not a generic episode? generics are still recorded (as they might be new) |
| [19:42:16] | iamlindoro_: | I tested it at my house and it works, but I don't have one of your streams to test |
| [19:42:33] | sphery: | wagnerrp: you'd need a new episodes only excluding generics rule to ignore generics |
| [19:42:34] | wagnerrp: | nope, has a subtitle and a description |
| [19:42:36] | iamlindoro_: | ]Oscar: If this patch fails, please make me a short (20–30 MB) recordings from that channel so I can download |
| [19:42:40] | sphery: | what show? |
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| [19:42:43] | ]Oscar: | I suppose that there is no way to "grab" it to a file to make some test... |
| [19:42:57] | ]Oscar: | with tzap, for example? |
| [19:43:15] | iamlindoro_: | ]Oscar: you can zap, then cat /dev/dvb/frontend0/dvr0 > test.ts |
| [19:43:17] | iamlindoro_: | I think |
| [19:43:30] | sphery: | wow... new episodes of According to Jim tonight |
| [19:43:31] | ]Oscar: | ok. |
| [19:43:37] | wagnerrp: | and it obviously recognizes the episode, because it didnt try to schedule it until i deleted the previous recording of it |
| [19:43:46] | sphery: | wagnerrp: what show? |
| [19:43:52] | wagnerrp: | the universe |
| [19:44:01] | sphery: | hmmm... don't get it on my channels... |
| [19:44:02] | wagnerrp: | parallel universes |
| [19:44:08] | wagnerrp: | history |
| [19:44:35] | iamlindoro_: | ]Oscar: If you can get me a 30–50 MB sample I can at least tell you if this *might* work by testing it with my patches system |
| [19:44:41] | iamlindoro_: | er patched |
| [19:44:53] | ]Oscar: | voila',... I'll get it right now :) |
| [19:45:07] | iamlindoro_: | But I'm not at home so I can't test playback, just parsing |
| [19:45:29] | ]Oscar: | yes yes :) |
| [19:45:41] | ]Oscar: | you made me happy :) |
| [19:45:55] | iamlindoro_: | Heh, don't be too happy, I'm just an amateur ;) |
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| [19:48:03] | ]Oscar: | I found /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 it's ok I supopse |
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| [19:49:04] | iamlindoro_: | Yes, that should be cat'able. Also, I broke my program_info parsing working on this, so I learned that you should be able to record just fine, only playback and thumbnail generation should be broken in myth |
| [19:49:09] | iamlindoro_: | recording should work fine though |
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| [19:49:29] | ]Oscar: | I'm not sure of this.... |
| [19:49:29] | iamlindoro_: | So worst comes so worst you should be able to schedule a 1 Minute manual recording on the channel in myth |
| [19:49:50] | ]Oscar: | 45 Mb |
| [19:49:53] | edandanumber: | Hi Everyone, I'm interested in finding out some basic info about how streams are made available to frontends... I'm interested in trying to see if I can write a frontend for xbox 360 using XNA game studio |
| [19:49:56] | iamlindoro_: | 45 is fine |
| [19:50:10] | ]Oscar: | how can I send to you? |
| [19:50:18] | edandanumber: | it looks like some preliminary work has been done with XNA to get an MPEG 2 decoder running |
| [19:50:31] | sphery: | wagnerrp: new episodes just checks program.previouslyshown = 0 , so for some reason it was not marked as previouslyshown. mfdb marks shows as previously shown when originalairdate is not NULL and originalairdate is more than 14 days in the past. So, if those criteria are met and it's still shown as previouslyshown = 0, then it would indicate a failure in mfdb (i.e. a segfault or a broken video source causing mfdb to error so ... |
| [19:50:37] | sphery: | ... it doesn't do "final processing"). |
| [19:50:46] | iamlindoro_: | ]Oscar: FTP or http if possible |
| [19:50:53] | iamlindoro_: | ie, put it somewhere I can download it |
| [19:50:53] | ]Oscar: | ok, it's the same |
| [19:50:58] | edandanumber: | however I'm not sure in what format(s) myth stream data is made available |
| [19:51:00] | ]Oscar: | oh! ok :) :D |
| [19:51:15] | iamlindoro_: | edandanumber: Myth uses its own protocol, mythproto |
| [19:51:57] | edandanumber: | iamlindoro_: do you know how the data is encoded though? Is it just uncompressed 16 bit color or something like that? |
| [19:52:05] | sphery: | edandanumber: mythfrontend uses either local file access (possibly through NFS/CIFS) or a custom protocol (Myth protocol) to transfer recordings from the backend. We also have support for UPnP-based transfer, but on the XBox 360, the default UPnP impl from MS doesn't support the MPEG-2 we generally have, so it doesn't show recordings for that |
| [19:52:13] | iamlindoro_: | no, uncompressed would never work over any normal human network |
| [19:52:35] | iamlindoro_: | It's streamed in its original format, then parsed and output by the frontend |
| [19:52:38] | edandanumber: | lol, I would think not |
| [19:52:45] | sphery: | edandanumber: if you can get the XNA app to use UPnP and play back MPEG-2, we could /easily/ add the recordings back to the list of videos made available to XBox 360 |
| [19:52:56] | iamlindoro_: | so unless the XNA game studio has an API for accessing the video accel, I would say you are sunk |
| [19:53:51] | edandanumber: | sphery: I will try to look into that... |
| [19:53:54] | sphery: | edandanumber: and if you can get mythtv recordings playback to work on X360, many would be very happy |
| [19:54:27] | edandanumber: | iamlindoro_: are there any docs you can recommend for the myth protocol's format? |
| [19:54:38] | sphery: | though with UPnP, you lose all the myth extras (like commercial skip and timestretch and ...) |
| [19:54:49] | sphery: | edandanumber: not much in the way of documentation on myth proto |
| [19:54:52] | iamlindoro_: | edandanumber: just the source, likely in libs/libmyth and libs/libmythtv |
| [19:55:12] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Myth_Protocol |
| [19:55:45] | sphery: | really, though, you're probably much better off using UPnP rather than trying to make a custom protocol handler that has to be upgraded with every change to the myth proto |
| [19:56:10] | edandanumber: | hmmm, yeah, it sounds that way |
| [19:56:14] | iamlindoro_: | otherwise you gt into a situation like XBMC's myth support, which happily segfaults on an unacceptable proto version |
| [19:56:31] | sphery: | GreyFoxx is probably a good source of info on the current state of XBox 360 and UPnP (as he did much of the recent work on the UPnP stuff) |
| [19:56:33] | edandanumber: | lol... well, it would have to be written in C# |
| [19:56:43] | edandanumber: | so at least I won't get a segfault =) |
| [19:56:52] | edandanumber: | just a wacky stack trace |
| [19:57:31] | iamlindoro_: | That's what you get when you throw a media center together with python and twine |
| [19:57:46] | edandanumber: | =) |
| [19:58:21] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: what a waste... Pythons are kind of like very thick strings, so it seems that they could have just tied some pythons up and saved the twine... |
| [19:58:50] | iamlindoro_: | I hear they're like a series of tubes |
| [19:59:33] | jedi__: | what was the latest change in the myth protocol that necessitated breaking things? |
| [19:59:35] | gbee: | wonder why coax aerial flyleads don't tend to come in heavily screen varieties or with ferrites |
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| [20:00:37] | iamlindoro_: | The proto has changed twice since .21 I think, and the schema a bunch of times |
| [20:01:01] | jedi__: | yeah but why? |
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| [20:01:12] | iamlindoro_: | You'd need to read the revision log, I don't remember |
| [20:01:17] | jedi__: | ...just curious |
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| [20:02:43] | iamlindoro_: | ah, look at that, some nice person has been keeping the link sphery posted up to date |
| [20:02:49] | iamlindoro_: | the reasons for the proto changes are there |
| [20:02:50] | edandanumber: | has there ever been an attempt to implement an architecture that will support backwards-compatible protocol support? |
| [20:02:59] | gbee: | one was to fix a long standing bug where the production year wasn't included in programme information sent to remote frontends, the other was the addition of a time and timezone query so that frontends/backends can make sure they are synchronised |
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| [20:03:12] | edandanumber: | like perhaps dyn-loading the library based on what version of the protocol a client requests? |
| [20:03:19] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: series of tubes... heh. |
| [20:03:32] | edandanumber: | (that might get crazy... but you get the idea =) |
| [20:03:56] | gbee: | edandanumber: no |
| [20:03:58] | sphery: | proto has changed since 0.21, but not in 0.21-fixes :) |
| [20:03:58] | iamlindoro_: | Can't stop progress! |
| [20:04:46] | sphery: | yeah, it's enough work maintaining things with "all Myth clients/servers /must/ be the exact same version", so no interest in making things more complex for devs |
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| [20:05:27] | gbee: | and since devs are always working forwards, not backwards |
| [20:06:18] | gbee: | and we can't really see why users (in any significant numbers) would want to downgrade from one major version to another |
| [20:06:26] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: yeah, up to date, but has a typo in the QUERY_TIME_ZONE command (since the ticket/commit message said QUERY_TIMEZONE since I didn't know that time zone is actually 2 words when I wrote the first broken implementation :) |
| [20:06:52] | iamlindoro_: | heh |
| [20:07:26] | sphery: | fixed |
| [20:07:37] | edandanumber: | well... downgrading isn't so much an issue... but sometimes when you get a box setup and use it for a lot of stuff you don't want to take it offline to upgrade |
| [20:08:21] | sphery: | edandanumber: for high-availability Myth, you have to have multiple nodes in a cluster :) |
| [20:08:50] | edandanumber: | sphery: lol... yeah... I dunno about that |
| [20:09:25] | sphery: | I have 2 backends, but don't have any scripts in place to detect a master-backend failure and promote the slave to a master |
| [20:09:42] | edandanumber: | =) |
| [20:09:48] | sphery: | of course, since the database is on my master backend machine, likely it wouldn't work, anyway :) |
| [20:09:59] | edandanumber: | My mythbox also acts as a print and file server |
| [20:10:05] | ** gbee upgrades every two days, without taking mythbackend offline for more than 10 seconds ** | |
| [20:10:13] | edandanumber: | it has a 1 tb raid 1 array with all sorts of stuff in it |
| [20:10:30] | edandanumber: | taking it offline for a while for myth upgrade isn't really an option |
| [20:10:33] | sphery: | gbee: how do you do that since you have to install mythtv before compiling mythplugins? |
| [20:11:04] | sphery: | edandanumber: offline simply means kill `pidof mythbackend` |
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| [20:12:35] | gbee: | plugins are built after the first restart – thanks to changes made a while back the install can be done while the process is running, restarting takes under 5 seconds x 2 |
| [20:12:37] | edandanumber: | yeah... my upgrades usually involve a distribution upgrade too (using ubuntu) |
| [20:12:49] | edandanumber: | which inevitably breaks something |
| [20:12:58] | sphery: | oh, yeah, that may mean shutting more stuff down :) |
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| [20:13:24] | iamlindoro_: | ]Oscar: How's that upload coming? |
| [20:13:36] | ]Oscar: | ufff,.. it's so slow.... |
| [20:13:43] | ]Oscar: | i'm uploading on a web space |
| [20:13:50] | sphery: | I'm partial to my new "don't touch the production boxes unless you /really/ need to" approach to Myth maintenance. Possible now that I have a dedicated Myth dev box. |
| [20:13:51] | iamlindoro_: | ok |
| [20:13:53] | ]Oscar: | done! :) |
| [20:14:01] | ]Oscar: | www.giulioeanna.it/test.ts |
| [20:14:14] | sphery: | that just invalidates the whole "watched pot never boils" adage... :) |
| [20:14:41] | ]Oscar: | ahahah1!!!!! |
| [20:14:52] | ]Oscar: | just sync (ntp proto???) |
| [20:16:02] | iamlindoro_: | ok, give me a little bit |
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| [20:16:39] | edandanumber: | yeah, thats a good policy to have =) |
| [20:17:22] | ]Oscar: | ok,.. I'm going to make sleeping my son ;) |
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| [20:18:36] | iamlindoro_: | Just hold the pillow until the struggling stops |
| [20:21:43] | ]Oscar: | I think he's e .2 release: pillow resistant! :) |
| [20:24:52] | iamlindoro_: | ]Oscar: Just asking, are you able to get *any* picture on this? |
| [20:25:09] | ]Oscar: | uhm,... I think,... how i can? |
| [20:25:13] | iamlindoro_: | So myth won't play it and mythweb won't create a preview? |
| [20:25:19] | ]Oscar: | wait |
| [20:25:38] | iamlindoro_: | I'm only saying because I think my patch worked |
| [20:25:51] | ]Oscar: | WOW !!! |
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| [20:25:54] | iamlindoro_: | I was able to import, commflag, and create a thumbnail for it-- I just can't test playing until I get home |
| [20:26:06] | iamlindoro_: | But It looks like some Orange Dinosaur/children's show |
| [20:26:14] | ]Oscar: | ehehhe |
| [20:26:28] | ]Oscar: | I'm looking for somthink that can play it |
| [20:26:43] | iamlindoro_: | I am 99% certain it worked, backend and comm flagger parsed it properly |
| [20:27:13] | iamlindoro_: | I know when that part is broken that the backend spews all sorts of errors while parsing it, there are none for me with the fix applied |
| [20:27:27] | ]Oscar: | ok,... I have an hard work to do :) |
| [20:27:45] | iamlindoro_: | ]Oscar: I know it's geting late there, but you might want to wait for me to go home and test it |
| [20:28:07] | iamlindoro_: | If it works, I don't think there will be a problem with getting it applied, and may even be okay for .21 |
| [20:28:18] | ]Oscar: | ok, no problem: I don't know if my wife want the pc for her ;) |
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| [20:29:12] | iamlindoro_: | I *think* that it's fixed, though. Just not sure until I go home and try to play it |
| [20:29:21] | ]Oscar: | and I need to study and test a lot to get sources working: i'll etst oll tomorrow morning from office.. |
| [20:30:28] | ]Oscar: | os,... thanks a lot for now ,... see you tomorrow! |
| [20:30:37] | iamlindoro_: | buona sera |
| [20:30:47] | ]Oscar: | ciao!!! :D |
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| [20:33:07] | iamlindoro_: | I guess I could roll back the change and try reimporting... that'd be a pretty quick test |
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| [20:46:09] | judazz: | Hi, if upgrade one frontend to a testing release (from rpmfusion testing, specifically r19169), is there any change that could do unwanted things with my backend config? |
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| [20:47:11] | iamlindoro_: | Hmm... yep, this is almost definitely the fix, previewer fails on unmodified mpegts.c |
| [20:47:22] | iamlindoro_: | judazz: The two won't work together |
| [20:48:01] | iamlindoro_: | Your backend and frontend need to match one another |
| [20:48:18] | judazz: | ok, thanks iamlindoro_ |
| [20:48:24] | iamlindoro_: | np |
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| [21:02:21] | iamlindoro_: | Anyone in front of a -fixes box that can test playback on a file? |
| [21:02:38] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.giulioeanna.it/test.ts |
| [21:03:10] | iamlindoro_: | I have a sneaking suspicion this file is fine |
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| [21:04:12] | gizmobay: | 0.22 gives a blank video when exiting out of the guide. Anyone else have the same problem? |
| [21:04:31] | stuarta: | iamlindoro_: i have one of those as well :) |
| [21:05:29] | iamlindoro_: | stuarta: If that's so then either he recorded the wrong thing or there's something else borked on his system |
| [21:05:35] | stuarta: | what we looking for? |
| [21:05:44] | iamlindoro_: | if it plays back at all, it should be fine |
| [21:06:18] | iamlindoro_: | If it doesn't, should complain about parsing program_info in the PMT |
| [21:06:38] | ** stuarta is downloading ** | |
| [21:06:40] | iamlindoro_: | (this is with internal player, of course) |
| [21:07:05] | stuarta: | of course :) |
| [21:08:00] | iamlindoro_: | Covering my bases ;) |
| [21:08:51] | iamlindoro_: | I'm just confused because I can get it to import, commflag and generate a preview with both modified and unmodified TS parser, so either those things don't touch the thing that's failing, or the file is fine in trunk at least |
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| [21:14:00] | sphery: | kormoc: guy in this thread could really use some explanation on how the mythweb remote stuff works if you have the time (he seems to be going down the wrong path with many leading him in various other directions): http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/359553#359553 |
| [21:15:52] | kormoc: | sphery, heh, okay, I'll see if I can help out in a few |
| [21:16:12] | stuarta: | iamlindoro_: plays for me |
| [21:16:18] | iamlindoro_: | stuarta: figured, thanks |
| [21:16:34] | iamlindoro_: | stuarta: I think he recorded the wrong thing, he needs to do it with myth |
| [21:16:45] | stuarta: | intruiging show |
| [21:16:54] | iamlindoro_: | Heh, I haven't seen it yet |
| [21:17:02] | iamlindoro_: | Only the preview image |
| [21:17:08] | iamlindoro_: | Of a dino or something |
| [21:17:16] | stuarta: | i just used the mythtv standalone app |
| [21:17:42] | iamlindoro_: | oh, and a dancing chick maybe? |
| [21:17:54] | kormoc: | iamlindoro_, when you play mpeg2 with vdpau, did you ever get weird audio issues? |
| [21:17:59] | stuarta: | yeah, then they just sit around doing nothing useful |
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| [21:18:11] | iamlindoro_: | kormoc: The occasional "hiccup," yeah |
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| [21:18:22] | ** stuarta goes back to watching pans labyrinth ** | |
| [21:18:36] | iamlindoro_: | stuarta: thank you by the way |
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| [21:19:06] | dacs: | does anyone having any luck installing Hauppauge HVR-1600 in debian etch? |
| [21:19:12] | stuarta: | helps having dev & prod installs on the same machine :) |
| [21:19:13] | kormoc: | iamlindoro_, so I'm getting that every say 10–15 seconds, it's sad, but glad to know it's not just mine |
| [21:19:36] | iamlindoro_: | kormoc: Doesn't sound so much like corruption as just a momentary "stoppage?" That's what I get |
| [21:19:50] | ** sphery wonders why his compile (with ccache) is taking so long... ** | |
| [21:19:56] | iamlindoro_: | Yeah, I get it with about that frequency |
| [21:20:01] | kormoc: | iamlindoro_, aye, and the FE logs 'Audio buffer underrun' ? |
| [21:20:08] | iamlindoro_: | kormoc: Yeah |
| [21:20:11] | stuarta: | sphery: time to harness a few more pixies |
| [21:20:15] | kormoc: | Yeah, same thing then |
| [21:20:26] | kormoc: | iamlindoro_, do you get that with your h264? |
| [21:20:45] | iamlindoro_: | kormoc: If I do it's not as noticeable, I only remember making note in MPEG-2 |
| [21:20:51] | ** kormoc nods ** | |
| [21:21:15] | sphery: | all of your MPEG-2 channels |
| [21:21:55] | iamlindoro_: | are belong to us |
| [21:22:21] | kormoc: | You are on the way to destruction |
| [21:22:28] | iamlindoro_: | make your time |
| [21:22:32] | sphery: | there was the whole audio/video streams are way out of sync in the file, so we aren't decoding far enough into the stream to keep up with audio in real time issue that affected some people on some channels... might just be more likely to occur with VDPAU |
| [21:23:18] | kormoc: | sphery, so I'm on a pvr 150, and yeah, every channel/recording I've tried, but my audio works fine with xv |
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| [21:23:32] | iamlindoro_: | What you say?? |
| [21:23:46] | iamlindoro_: | Take off every PVR |
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| [21:24:08] | kormoc: | for great justice |
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| [21:24:27] | sphery: | kormoc: sounds like it's either a different problem or VDPAU makes it far more likely to occur |
| [21:24:33] | InitMass: | is it possible to record a desktop session with mouse movements and so? |
| [21:25:42] | sphery: | InitMass: XTrap extension and xtrapout/xtrapin |
| [21:25:48] | sphery: | simple example at ( make install 2>&1 | tee mkinstlog && exit $PIPESTATUS ) && |
| [21:25:52] | sphery: | chown -R root:root /usr/local/share/mythtv && |
| [21:26:05] | sphery: | oops, no, that's not the example... simple example at http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/82722#82722 |
| [21:26:36] | sphery: | InitMass: there are much more user-friendly ways to accomplish the same if for something more than just a hack |
| [21:27:23] | kormoc: | sphery, if you have any suggestions on how to track it down or what not, feel free to let me know |
| [21:28:24] | InitMass: | sphery, i'm trying recordmydesktop atm but i get an annoying video delay |
| [21:29:34] | wagnerrp: | apparently pioneer has a 400GB disk that will play in any standard BR player |
| [21:30:01] | sphery: | InitMass: oh, you want more of a "here's a playback of what I saw" than a "record interaction with the desktop so I can replay it to accomplish the same thing again" |
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| [21:30:39] | sphery: | InitMass: I think there's a VNC-based program that does that (and might be more efficient than recordmydesktop's encoding to Ogg video) |
| [21:31:25] | InitMass: | sphery, i'm making a video tutorial for my co-workers |
| [21:31:49] | InitMass: | sphery, so i'm trying to guide them in a, for them, new program |
| [21:32:21] | sphery: | InitMass: check out http://www.unixuser.org/~euske/vnc2swf/ and http://www.cs.ubc.ca/~bsd/vncrecording.html and google for "VNC record" (no quotes) for more (never used either approach, so I can't recommend them) |
| [21:32:58] | InitMass: | sphery, is it just my computer or is the ogg theora slow? |
| [21:33:09] | sphery: | encoding video is just plain slow |
| [21:33:29] | clever: | sphery: i had worked on making something very similar years ago |
| [21:33:41] | sphery: | might seem relatively responsive on a quad-core Core 2 system... |
| [21:33:46] | clever: | sphery: my idea would basicaly just log the vnc session, and play it back to vnc thru a dummy server |
| [21:34:01] | sphery: | yeah, that's what most all of the VNC-based ones do. |
| [21:34:16] | clever: | but i was making mine in mirc script |
| [21:34:20] | clever: | horid horid stuff:P |
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| [21:34:48] | sphery: | InitMass: and you could even record the VNC session (low compression, but low resource usage) and then "transcode" it to a real (high-compression, high-resource-usage-to-encode) video format afterwards |
| [21:35:10] | InitMass: | sphery, sounds good |
| [21:35:19] | InitMass: | sphery, but can vnc capture sound? |
| [21:35:26] | clever: | InitMass: nope |
| [21:35:40] | InitMass: | :-( |
| [21:35:44] | clever: | though you could record a wav/mp3 at the same time, and then use ffmpeg to mux the 2 together afterwards |
| [21:36:05] | InitMass: | have to try if detaching my monitor from the laptop works to get rid of the delay |
| [21:36:18] | InitMass: | clever, is that hard? |
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| [21:36:35] | clever: | its as hard as sticking a music track on a crappy home video:P |
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| [21:36:48] | InitMass: | clever, hehe |
| [21:36:58] | clever: | ive never done it but ##ffmpeg should know |
| [21:37:16] | InitMass: | thanks guys |
| [21:37:33] | InitMass: | i'll save the log and try some alternatives |
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| [22:01:56] | janneg: | new nvidia beta driver 180.11 with vdpau improvements http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=1861825 |
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| [22:08:17] | Chicago: | Is schedule's direct supposed to be current? I just ran a mythfilldatabase and don't know whether TV guide is right, or if Schedules Direct is right. |
| [22:08:39] | kkuno: | I've replaced the standard mythtv set wakeup functions with a custom script |
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| [22:08:54] | kkuno: | that fetch the database one time every 2 seconds |
| [22:08:58] | kkuno: | now it's perfect :D |
| [22:10:20] | stuarta: | that is extremely rude to the server |
| [22:10:44] | laga: | kkuno: are you talking about schedules direct? |
| [22:11:36] | kkuno: | laga, I'm talking about setting the wakeup alarm |
| [22:11:46] | shadash: | bang bang bang |
| [22:11:50] | kkuno: | mythtv sets it only when the frontend isn't running |
| [22:12:03] | kkuno: | or I have to run mythwelcome |
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| [22:12:42] | kkuno: | I don't think my method consumes so many cpu resources... |
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| [22:16:39] | Chicago: | kkuno: So, are you saying that you turn off the frontend so that the wakeup script can run and then set the alarm and shutdown? |
| [22:17:37] | kkuno: | Chicago, that is an awful solution |
| [22:17:46] | Chicago: | kkuno: What are you saying? |
| [22:17:56] | Chicago: | kkuno: I guess I don't know what running mythwelcome does. |
| [22:18:13] | kormoc: | Chicago, he's saying he want's the frontend to turn itself on when he powers it down manually |
| [22:18:31] | Chicago: | kormoc: Oooh |
| [22:18:34] | kkuno: | at the moment I'm running a script that read the database every 2 seconds and read the next scheduling |
| [22:18:44] | kkuno: | and write it to /proc/acpi/alarm |
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| [22:19:21] | Chicago: | So are you saying, all the sudden the backend decides to wakeup and once it is capabable of sending the signal, it wakes up the remote frontend? |
| [22:19:33] | kkuno: | no |
| [22:19:36] | kormoc: | Chicago, now, I would just have tossed the script into the shutdown procedure so it fires when it shuts down rather then all the time, but that's just me |
| [22:20:07] | kormoc: | Chicago, the backend knows when the next recording the slave backend is scheduled to make, so it can write that to the wake-up and power down the backend |
| [22:20:07] | kkuno: | Chicago, when the pc is shutted of and it has to record a scheduling, it power itself on |
| [22:20:19] | sphery: | laga: for ignoring a thread in T-bird, hit 'K' for kill. See, also, https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/3135 . |
| [22:20:49] | Chicago: | kkuno: How is your script different from nvram-wakeup? |
| [22:20:55] | kormoc: | sphery, that doesn't seem to work for email, "Watching and ignoring threads can only be done for News, not for Mail or RSS feeds" |
| [22:20:58] | kkuno: | lol kormoc you are right :D |
| [22:21:08] | kkuno: | I have to set it just at shutdown |
| [22:21:09] | kkuno: | lol |
| [22:21:20] | sphery: | kormoc: oh, right... guess so. |
| [22:21:44] | Chicago: | Quick question.... |
| [22:21:45] | kkuno: | Chicago, don't know |
| [22:21:53] | sphery: | laga: nvm, only for news feeds |
| [22:22:21] | kkuno: | nvram-wakeup can run only when mythwelcome is on, not? |
| [22:22:31] | Chicago: | When my new HD Homerun comes in the mail... will I be scheduling it "Times" to record, or will I be selecting "streams" for it to record... the difference being, I won't care about how many minutes I need to record before or after a stream, because it will begin and end on its own... properly. |
| [22:22:48] | kormoc: | Chicago, erm? |
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| [22:23:14] | kormoc: | Chicago, myth setups recording based on times given by the scheduling source, the devices don't know when things start/stop |
| [22:23:19] | Chicago: | kkuno: I run nvram-wakeup along with a kernel module. It will set the alarm and shutdown the machine if there are no recordings for a half hour... or hour... or whatever you set. Then it is set to wake up just a few minutes before recroding. |
| [22:23:31] | laga: | sphery: thanks anyways :) i will either have to find some nice addons or get a different MUA |
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| [22:23:44] | laga: | sphery: i find it a bit hard to manage my mail with thunderbird |
| [22:23:51] | kkuno: | Chicago, but can you run it without mythwelcome? |
| [22:23:58] | kormoc: | laga, gmail has a 'auto-archive this thread' functionality |
| [22:24:12] | sphery: | yeah, I'm managing my mail with procmail and my own IMAP server so T-bird is just the reader for me. |
| [22:24:17] | Chicago: | kkuno: I have never explicitly called mythwelcome. I only call mythbackend mythfrontend and myth transcoding daemon. |
| [22:24:34] | Chicago: | kkuno: Myth just knows which script to execute in order to do the setting of the alarm clock. |
| [22:24:42] | kkuno: | ok |
| [22:24:52] | Chicago: | kkuno: What does mythwelcome have to do with it? |
| [22:25:02] | Chicago: | kormoc: I was hoping to have VLC be the backend for the HD Homerun. |
| [22:25:25] | kkuno: | Chicago, if you: schedule a recording ---> shut off the pc ---> power on the pc manually before the recording ---> cancel the recording --> shut down the pc |
| [22:25:27] | kormoc: | Chicago, well, enjoy that, but we really can't help out too much in here then |
| [22:25:28] | Chicago: | kormoc: Then try to connect the VLC backend to MythTV... such that MythTV is monitoring a multicast feed. |
| [22:25:36] | kkuno: | the pc will wake up or not? |
| [22:25:49] | kormoc: | Chicago, why would you do that? |
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| [22:27:11] | kormoc: | kkuno, the entire point of mythwelcome is to allow that to work correctly |
| [22:27:15] | Chicago: | kormoc: I want the video to be a multicast stream so that more than one machine can playback the stream, using the least network bandwidth. |
| [22:27:20] | kormoc: | kkuno, I'm not sure why you don't like mythweclome |
| [22:27:31] | laga: | kormoc: unfortunately, gmail involves google, and i don't want to give anyone power over my private email |
| [22:27:34] | kormoc: | Chicago, but erm... when it gets payed from myth, it won't be multi-cast anymore |
| [22:27:37] | kkuno: | kormoc, I don't use mythfrontend |
| [22:27:43] | kormoc: | laga, fair 'nuff |
| [22:27:55] | kormoc: | kkuno, so then what's the problem with nvram-wakeup? |
| [22:27:56] | Chicago: | kormoc: Also, I use VLC to transcode a duplicate -sout which I can play back on my mobile phone. |
| [22:28:07] | kkuno: | kormoc, but I think mythwelcome will wake up in that situation (it souldn't) |
| [22:28:11] | kormoc: | Chicago, vs just telling myth to transcode to the other format? |
| [22:28:12] | sphery: | kkuno: Myth has multi-rec built in |
| [22:28:14] | Chicago: | kormoc: So having MythTV own my inputs, makes it impossible to do duplicate handling of the video. |
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| [22:28:26] | sphery: | oops, I mean Chicago |
| [22:28:27] | kkuno: | because if there aren't any schedule mythwelcome doesn't write anything |
| [22:28:28] | Chicago: | kormoc: Well, in Myth I have some custom transcode scripts. |
| [22:28:32] | kkuno: | which is an error |
| [22:28:40] | kormoc: | Chicago, setup a user job using nuvexport... |
| [22:29:10] | kkuno: | someone can confirm this? |
| [22:29:20] | Chicago: | kormoc: But to do anything with the live video feed... I either need to find a new script that works with VLC telling me which file I need to be streaming (because at that point VLC isn't in control of the device)... or have VLC control my inputs and have MythTV tune into an MPEG-2 TS or PS over multicast. |
| [22:29:31] | Chicago: | sphery: What do you mean multi-rec? |
| [22:29:48] | sphery: | I mean that it can record shows from multiple channels on a multiplex |
| [22:30:01] | Chicago: | sphery: I was talking about multicast. |
| [22:30:04] | kormoc: | kkuno, you won't be using mythwelcome if it's purely a backend, the master backend shoudl tell the slave when to shutdown and when to wake up |
| [22:30:16] | sphery: | Chicago: do you really need multicast? |
| [22:30:27] | Chicago: | sphery: For example, you tune into /dev/v4l/video1 and have it broadcast over your network using a multicast address like 239.255.12.42. |
| [22:30:28] | ** sphery thinks this is a case of optimizing before profiling ** | |
| [22:30:48] | kkuno: | kormoc, yes I want to shut down the pc manually |
| [22:30:52] | kkuno: | without the frontend |
| [22:31:09] | sphery: | besides, with multicast, you can't control the playback (or only one could). With myth, you can pause, exit, ... |
| [22:31:11] | kkuno: | so I needed something which write the alarm when I power off the pc |
| [22:31:33] | Chicago: | sphery: That's the thing. |
| [22:32:02] | Chicago: | sphery: I haven't learned enough about RTSP yet, but in theory if RTSP is sending you a feed, you can seek forward/backward in it as long as it has a hints track. |
| [22:32:15] | Chicago: | This is how the sample mp4's from Darwin Streaming Server work. |
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| [22:33:17] | sphery: | Chicago: unless the client is caching the file, there's no way to pause/rewind or if it's done because the file is cached on the server, then with multicast /every/ client is paused/rewound |
| [22:33:17] | Chicago: | sphery: But I don't buy your point that I can't control the playback. If VLC puts a file into my /media directory, the same kind of file that MythTV would have put there, then I can still use the internal myth player. |
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| [22:33:42] | sphery: | the point is /multicast/ sends the same thing to all clients |
| [22:33:48] | Chicago: | sphery: Well lets say I have a 1 megabyte buffer and am tuned into multicast. |
| [22:34:02] | sphery: | Myth allows you to send different data to different clients meaning that each one is in control of his/her own viewing |
| [22:34:04] | Chicago: | Then two hours into my stream, I decide I want to go back 20 minutes... |
| [22:34:11] | Chicago: | That's the part I need to figure out. |
| [22:34:27] | Chicago: | I know it won't work today. |
| [22:34:41] | sphery: | Still, I don't think you need multicast as much as you think you need multicast |
| [22:34:48] | Chicago: | I put about 60 hours into ffmpeg/mencoder/vlc last week, using them to capture beautiful video from my encoder. |
| [22:34:58] | sphery: | but if you're dead set on using VLC /instead/ of mythtv, perhaps you should find a VLC channel. |
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| [22:35:15] | Chicago: | sphery: Check it out... I don't need to bother with TCP connections dependent on the number of people watching the stream if I just use multicast UDP instead. |
| [22:36:04] | Chicago: | sphery: In my tests, if I had VLC run a multicast, and an http stream... The vlc -vvv verbose output would show problems handling more clients as I add them. |
| [22:36:15] | Chicago: | So I would just like the tuner to dump to file and rebroadcast. |
| [22:36:32] | sphery: | but how many clients are going to be watching the exact same thing at the same time? Do you really need multicast? A 100Mbit switch is pretty amazing--and dirt cheap--you know. |
| [22:37:03] | sphery: | you're far more likely to encounter HDD seek issues than network bandwidth issues, anyway |
| [22:37:13] | Chicago: | sphery: At this point, 3 or more devices. |
| [22:37:47] | Chicago: | sphery: Running a fast RAID-0 for the recordings on a different physical drive than the operating system. :) |
| [22:38:05] | sphery: | and with a switch (as opposed to a hub), network bandwidth shouldn't even be close to being a problem |
| [22:38:24] | Chicago: | sphery: Anyways, I know you know about this stuff, and so do I. |
| [22:38:30] | sphery: | If you're talking about 10's or hundreds of users, then, perhaps |
| [22:38:47] | Chicago: | When I had VLC tune into my encoders at max constant bandwidth and broadcast it live to my network, I was using almost 50mbits of my 100mbit network. |
| [22:39:07] | Chicago: | That is just one feed. |
| [22:39:15] | Chicago: | More than one would have been too much for the network. |
| [22:39:24] | Chicago: | Doing TCP negotiation for that feed was a problem for VLC. |
| [22:39:28] | Chicago: | It worked better as multicast. |
| [22:39:47] | Chicago: | Then I used Darwin to act as a multicast/unicast gateway to send to clients by HTTP for the mobile phone. |
| [22:39:55] | Chicago: | I'm still working it out though. |
| [22:40:01] | sphery: | well, again, this is the myth channel, so for VLC help... |
| [22:40:07] | Chicago: | I am happy I ordered the HD Homerun on Sunday night, more toys to play with. |
| [22:40:34] | Chicago: | correction, this is a mythtv-users channel. |
| [22:40:43] | Chicago: | So for help for mythtv-users... |
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| [22:42:00] | Chicago: | sphery: One advantage I found with VLC over MythTV's internal capture code, is that VLC can receive progressive frames from IVTV and perfectly handle the deinterlacing from my encoder. |
| [22:42:24] | Chicago: | Although the downside is VBI streams from my encoder don't work so well with VLC> |
| [22:43:26] | dustybin: | this channel should be called mythtv and the other mythtv-developers |
| [22:43:48] | ** stuarta laughs at dustybin ** | |
| [22:44:07] | dustybin: | phew i thought that was iamlindoro_ for a moment then :P |
| [22:44:22] | ** iamlindoro_ laughs at dustybin ** | |
| [22:44:26] | ** dustybin runs ** | |
| [22:45:28] | kormoc: | dustybin, the horse it dead, for the love of god, leave it be... |
| [22:45:53] | ** dustybin double runs ** | |
| [22:46:02] | ** sphery wonders what source material is broadcast in a 50Mbps multiplex ** | |
| [22:46:21] | ** stuarta fires the big shotgun in dustybin's direction ** | |
| [22:46:22] | sphery: | (and how much of that 50Mbps is wasted since each client is only watching one channel from the mux) |
| [22:46:30] | iamlindoro_: | What format allows for a 50 Mbit mux? |
| [22:46:36] | Chicago: | sphery: I tried to stream out the ray yuv4mpeg frames and it was over 80mbps. |
| [22:46:44] | Chicago: | raw yuv4mpeg rather. |
| [22:46:54] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: what broadcast format, that is |
| [22:46:54] | kormoc: | Whee! Why bother encode when you can just flood! |
| [22:46:55] | sphery: | yeah, uncompressed would be just plain wrong |
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| [22:47:47] | Chicago: | kormoc: The test failed because I couldn't successfully capture audio from /dev/v4l/video33 on the kernel/ivtv driver I had to test with at the time. (I just upgraded to 2.6.26 and I haven't tried again though). |
| [22:48:00] | sphery: | but if you send the MPEG-? stream, you're likely to never see any one mux take more than 19Mbps (at least here in the US--I'll admit it's possible some exotic satellite format has more, but...) |
| [22:48:42] | Chicago: | sphery: It is fair to point out I wanted to decrease the latency so that I could be closer to LiveTV on my mobile. Of couse I didn't receive the 80Mbps stream on the phone... |
| [22:49:17] | Chicago: | But when I captured the raw yuv4mpeg stream on /dev/v4l/video33 (audio was on /dev/v4l/video25 actually) and transcoded it and streamed it to the phone, My latency was under 1 second. |
| [22:49:25] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: don't know--it was based on Chicago's observations that he can't use unicast because it saturates his 100Mbit network |
| [22:49:31] | Chicago: | I could use Ivtv tune to change the channel and in less than one second, the channel was changed on the phone. |
| [22:49:38] | ** iamlindoro_ blinks confusedly ** | |
| [22:50:06] | Chicago: | sphery: Iamlindoro_: It was my observation that more than one unicast feed out of VLC, doggs down VLC. |
| [22:50:22] | iamlindoro_: | Wait, why are we talking about this in here? |
| [22:50:34] | sphery: | again with the, "so why use VLC?" |
| [22:50:53] | Chicago: | sphery: It was advice I received in this channel to use VLC for this! |
| [22:51:02] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: well, it seems this is #mythtv-users so it's help for any problem any mythtv user has :) |
| [22:51:24] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: or for any program run on a mythbox, or for at-home advice for any house housing a myth box |
| [22:51:38] | sphery: | I'm thinking about asking for help with my old Mazda pickup which has some electrical issues |
| [22:51:57] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Is it parked in front of a house with a mythbox? |
| [22:52:03] | iamlindoro_: | 'cause you can't get any help for it if it's not |
| [22:52:03] | sphery: | yes |
| [22:52:07] | iamlindoro_: | ok, whew |
| [22:52:20] | Chicago: | It was directly suggested to me here that I should use VLC + IPTV + MythTV. |
| [22:52:22] | Guest3497: | sphery: been searching the mailing list for anything related to .nuv files and thumbnails, haven't found what you mentioed. |
| [22:52:35] | sphery: | and, it's been known to transport my laptop containing copies of mythtv recordings, so it's definitely covered :) |
| [22:53:14] | iamlindoro_: | VLC + IPTV + Myth *only* made sense in the pre-multirec days-- this idea is just hairbrained |
| [22:53:19] | Chicago: | sphery: I am sure if the car was used to pickup food for you so that you weren't hungry when you went to work on your mythbox, that the car is covered. |
| [22:53:50] | sphery: | that also... |
| [22:53:58] | trumee_: | Anyb |
| [22:54:16] | iamlindoro_: | VDPAU update from the front lines, December 2008... |
| [22:54:26] | iamlindoro_: | Dear Sarah... war is hell. But my spirits are high |
| [22:54:33] | sphery: | lmao |
| [22:54:46] | iamlindoro_: | For soon I shall return home to you and my little edgar, bringing with me all the joyous bounties of GPU acceleration |
| [22:54:53] | trumee_: | Anybody saw nokia release video |
| [22:55:20] | iamlindoro_: | And lest I should not live to write you another day, know that should a breeze flit across your cheek, it shall be my spirit, passing by. |
| [22:55:43] | iamlindoro_: | Oh sarah, do not mourn me dead, think I am gone and wait for thee. For we shall meet again... |
| [22:55:57] | iamlindoro_: | Western Front, The Internet, December, 2008 |
| [22:56:01] | Chicago: | Is it a possibility to have MythTV simultaneously record a program and demux it into its elementary streams into named pipes? |
| [22:56:14] | stuarta: | excellent i broke my frontend |
| [22:56:20] | trumee_: | I hope it could have myth one day |
| [22:56:44] | iamlindoro_: | Yay, it's $DeviceWithScreen! A PERFECT FRONTEND! |
| [22:56:47] | sphery: | Chicago: not to named pipes, but it can record each channel in a mux into a separate file? |
| [22:57:37] | Chicago: | sphery: See, if I can make VLC eat MythTV's brand, then I dont' need to look the otherway around. |
| [22:58:04] | trumee_: | Qt is being ported to s60 |
| [22:59:25] | Chicago: | sphery: Can MythTV handle "duplicates"... as in, MythTV records a channel for its own purposes and records a duplicate of the elementary streams into separate files? |
| [22:59:42] | sphery: | Guest3497: My recommendation would be to post a question to the -users list to see if anyone else has noticed that preview pixmaps from NUV files (created by software encoders or by transcoding) are solid-color images (just a guess, but it looks to me like every pixel gets the same color as the first pixel in the video frame) |
| [23:00:42] | sphery: | Chicago: nope, myth just records shows into files for itself |
| [23:00:50] | sphery: | Chicago: though anyone can use that file |
| [23:02:44] | trumee_: | How is the flash support in 0.220 myth web |
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| [23:03:08] | Chicago: | sphery: So if Myth had live555 support, it could receive a multicast MPEG-TS or MPEG-PS and record shows into files for itself... or can MythTV already pickup an MPEG-TS or MPEG-PS from network? |
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| [23:03:27] | sphery: | janneg just made a /lot/ of "My MythTV database is huge because it inefficiently stores people.name as CHAR(30) instead of VARCHAR(30)" people very happy. He simultaneously made them very confused by the fact that their DB size will only decrease by a negligible amount. :) |
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| [23:04:16] | sphery: | trumee_: the flash in MythWeb is a proof-of-concept--even in trunk and much works needs done on the backend before it will be done properly in MythWeb |
| [23:05:10] | sphery: | Chicago: Myth has support for IPTV |
| [23:07:14] | trumee_: | Sphery: i was hoping to play myth web flash media on my mobile |
| [23:07:17] | Chicago: | Thanks for talking about it with me. |
| [23:07:49] | kormoc: | sphery, my people db is 12 megs, but it should actually be about half a meg according to the actual data, so just wondering, why wouldn't it shrink? |
| [23:08:04] | janneg: | sphery: is "a lot" more than 2? and people.name was CHAR(128) so it should have saved a lot more space |
| [23:08:40] | sphery: | just saying that people is really small compared to recordedseek |
| [23:08:50] | janneg: | kormoc: compare recordedseek |
| [23:08:53] | Chicago: | Does 'perl /usr/share/mythtv/contrib/optimize_mythdb.pl' do anything to fix the db? |
| [23:09:02] | Chicago: | or make things smaller for you? |
| [23:09:19] | sphery: | I've seen a lot of posts on -users where people complain about myth's DB size and look at people rather than recordedseek thinking it will make things better |
| [23:09:59] | sphery: | Chicago: optimize_mythdb.pl will make files on disk smaller after a lot of deletes--pretty much the same way compacting a mailbox does |
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| [23:11:20] | janneg: | how can I avoid the "SET character_set_client" lines from mysqldump output? |
| [23:11:23] | sphery: | basically, just saying that the ~10MB is not a significant percent of the ~200MB a Myth DB is likely to take |
| [23:11:41] | janneg: | it's not --skip-set-charset |
| [23:12:00] | kormoc: | janneg, granted, that's 70 megs of data and 60 megs of indexes... :P |
| [23:12:27] | janneg: | 300M data, 378M index |
| [23:12:46] | sphery: | nice... that's a lot of recorded seconds of video |
| [23:13:46] | kormoc: | sphery, myisam should release that disk space fairly fast, you shouldn't really notice them shrinking any large amount |
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| [23:19:41] | wagnerrp: | im looking at my DB size, and thinking that a couple hundred megs is meaningless compared to the couple hundred gigs, to several... teras? of recordings |
| [23:19:57] | high-rez: | woot, 180.11 is out |
| [23:20:03] | clever: | wagnerrp: it may mean more if you have your db on a private 500mb partition |
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| [23:20:17] | ** kormoc sighs ** | |
| [23:20:33] | sphery: | kormoc: hmm. Didn't know it did auto-optimize. The docs seem to imply it's worth doing about once/mo on tables with appropriate amounts of churn and variable-length rows |
| [23:20:34] | kormoc: | clever, get a job and then you won't have to worry bout that stuff |
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| [23:20:50] | clever: | kormoc: i put my db on a small partition to improve performance |
| [23:21:04] | clever: | kormoc: it isolated the db from the fragmentation of the recordings filesystem |
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| [23:21:11] | sphery: | yeah, because, you know, performance is so much more important than a working system :) |
| [23:21:12] | wagnerrp: | clever: i have my DB on a private 294MB partition |
| [23:21:33] | clever: | sphery: then why does he have an even smaller one:P |
| [23:21:36] | wagnerrp: | ahhh the magic of ZFS |
| [23:21:43] | kormoc: | sphery, the free-ed rows should be over-written as soon as a new row can fit in it, typically the overhead is fairly smallish. It's not like it's going to recover hundreds of megs or anything |
| [23:22:14] | sphery: | kormoc: oh, I see... thanks for the explanation. |
| [23:22:24] | clever: | kormoc: and i was just guessing, my db is actualy on a 2gig filesystem |
| [23:22:26] | RyeBrye: | I have my DB in a ramfs system |
| [23:22:31] | RyeBrye: | ok... maybe not ;) |
| [23:22:44] | sphery: | clever: just saying that creating a partition of appropriate size for the data it will hold is important. |
| [23:22:55] | kormoc: | sphery, that's what the 'overhead' figures are, when you have a free row block of 1k and you write a 800 byte row to it, you have 248 bytes of overhead, so it can add up, but typically it's not /that/ bad |
| [23:22:59] | wagnerrp: | RyeBrye: i actually did that at work, but rrd, not mysql |
| [23:23:05] | clever: | sphery: yep, and 512mb would allmost do, my db is only using 223mb |
| [23:23:15] | clever: | its 4 times as big as i need it |
| [23:23:23] | sphery: | kormoc: yeah, and for people, it's likely to be negligible |
| [23:23:24] | clever: | more then enough free blocks to avoid fragmentation |
| [23:23:30] | wagnerrp: | ganglia across 800 machines hammered the disk too hard for a old PATA 120GB drive to handle |
| [23:24:01] | wagnerrp: | although i flushed it all to disk about every 20 minutes |
| [23:24:09] | sphery: | kormoc: even for listings (with description), it's not that bad because of the constant churn... I thought rows were only reused with matching data, so I completely misunderstood it. |
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| [23:29:00] | wagnerrp: | so is the recent influx of mail in -users due to the slashdot posting a few weeks back? |
| [23:29:22] | sphery: | or the weather (cold weather means people stay in more)? |
| [23:29:28] | kormoc: | sphery, Aye, now if we were using inno... :P |
| [23:29:43] | wagnerrp: | ah, didnt think about that |
| [23:29:56] | wagnerrp: | white death descends upon the mailing list |
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| [23:30:32] | camelreef-afk is now known as camelreef | |
| [23:30:38] | camelreef: | hi again |
| [23:30:49] | camelreef: | speaking of mailing list |
| [23:31:19] | camelreef: | 24 hours and still no solution or even any insult regarding my transcode/seektable issue |
| [23:31:36] | camelreef: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/359503 |
| [23:31:49] | kormoc: | camelreef, well, I can fix the insult issue, I fart in your general direction! |
| [23:31:53] | sphery: | probably means not many are transcoding (me included in the group who's not) |
| [23:32:02] | camelreef: | pleasetell me I am dumb, point me to the solution, and take me out of my misery :o) |
| [23:32:07] | sphery: | now I want to watch the Holy Grail... |
| [23:32:22] | stuarta: | your mother was a hampster and your father smelt of elderberries! |
| [23:32:27] | camelreef: | kormoc, I'm the French one here, let me do the farting :o) |
| [23:32:43] | camelreef: | <-- frog |
| [23:33:00] | camelreef: | faites chier la vache ! |
| [23:33:01] | sphery: | camelreef: as far as mythtranscoding swapping the audio streams, that's normal, but not intended (so feel free to patch it :) |
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| [23:33:17] | camelreef: | ok, so that one is a known issue, fine |
| [23:34:04] | camelreef: | as for patching.... you certainly do not want me to do that, that would be a perfect waste of time of a dev refusing to accept whatever I could come up with |
| [23:34:25] | camelreef: | if I ever come up with anything withina 3-years time frame |
| [23:34:35] | sphery: | if you want to take a look at mythtranscode source, it's relatively straightforward to find where it's reindexing (rebuilding the seek table), so you could try to fix it yourself... I'm guessing--with the /very/ low cost of storage these days--few are transcoding anymore. |
| [23:34:53] | camelreef: | Ok |
| [23:34:55] | dacs: | does anyone having any luck installing Hauppauge HVR-1600 in debian etch? |
| [23:35:02] | camelreef: | I just found that elegant |
| [23:35:03] | dacs: | i am not able to install it at all |
| [23:35:24] | iamlindoro__: | If you're the french one, how come you don't know it's "Fechez?" |
| [23:35:34] | camelreef: | and I did it also for the fixing to weak signal recordings it did as well |
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| [23:35:43] | sphery: | camelreef: though 2 other options require less work: 1) always have a user job after the transcode that rebuilds the seektable or 2) buy more HDD's |
| [23:36:23] | camelreef: | sphery, I'm not tigh on disk (yet), but it fixes glitches from not so good reception |
| [23:36:36] | sphery: | then buy better antenna :) |
| [23:36:54] | camelreef: | I'm far away from the emitter |
| [23:37:00] | sphery: | (actually, I'm chasing a reception issue of my own after 2+ years of perfect reception, so I feel your pain there) |
| [23:37:11] | camelreef: | antenna is good, cabling has been changed, and I have a mast-head amp |
| [23:37:44] | camelreef: | hmm.... user job after transcode |
| [23:37:47] | camelreef: | right ! |
| [23:38:03] | camelreef: | well, when are mandatory user jobs run ? |
| [23:38:10] | camelreef: | after the auto-transcode ? |
| [23:38:57] | sphery: | yeah |
| [23:39:10] | camelreef: | sphery, I've looked at the mythtranscode source, and dropped it, I became realistic... |
| [23:39:13] | camelreef: | OK |
| [23:39:16] | sphery: | ttbomk, commflag, then transcode (unless you set commflag after transcode), then user jobs |
| [23:39:28] | camelreef: | cool |
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| [23:39:39] | camelreef: | but I am facing bugs |
| [23:39:41] | sphery: | you do have commflag after transcode set, right? |
| [23:39:47] | camelreef: | yes, I do |
| [23:40:42] | camelreef: | if these are bugs, and if I am no coder, can I still try to open a ticket without proposing a patch, or will I go into a bad reaction from the devs? |
| [23:40:45] | sphery: | guess I got that backwards... "Run Transcode Jobs before Auto-Commercial Flagging" should be set |
| [23:41:04] | camelreef: | I have transcode, then commflag |
| [23:41:15] | camelreef: | yes, set in the backend setup |
| [23:41:17] | kormoc: | camelreef, if it's a bug, typically it's fine, if it's just a feature request, it's closed right away |
| [23:41:46] | camelreef: | well, both the seektable stuff and the stream inversions sound like bugs to me |
| [23:41:55] | camelreef: | not a new feature request |
| [23:41:58] | sphery: | camelreef: you can always open a ticket, but it may be closed. It's far more likely to get attention with a patch, though. Also, if you post it, make sure you pay attention to it because you're likely to be asked for more info and if not provided, the ticket will be closed. |
| [23:42:15] | sphery: | think the stream thing is already in a ticket |
| [23:42:28] | camelreef: | providing info, I can do, patching, keep me away from it |
| [23:42:43] | camelreef: | I'll make sure to check previous tickets |
| [23:43:24] | camelreef: | sphery, thanks for the time |
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| [23:44:00] | camelreef: | I'll check the ticketing system tomorrow and see if I need/want to open anything |
| [23:44:00] | sphery: | camelreef: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3284 |
| [23:44:23] | camelreef: | at least I got a temp solution and a sane reply |
| [23:44:34] | camelreef: | ticket bookmarked |
| [23:44:49] | sphery: | camelreef: also, notice the age of that one--20 months, so that will likely give you an indication of how important transcoding is to the devs :) |
| [23:45:50] | camelreef: | ok |
| [23:45:58] | camelreef: | that's a bit annoying, though |
| [23:46:21] | camelreef: | I understand priorities, personnal matter, trying to make people participate in the effort, but still.... |
| [23:46:26] | sphery: | camelreef: actually, here's the real one (the other is a segfault caused by the audio swapping issue): http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2468 (2yrs old) |
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| [23:47:00] | camelreef: | this is still different |
| [23:47:21] | camelreef: | first was a segfault, 2nd is a track going away, mine is swapping tracks |
| [23:47:36] | sphery: | camelreef: you can always figure it out yourself--even if you're not a programmer (or find some friends who do programming--especially if their open-source software fans--to help). Many have taught themselves enough C++/Qt to help. |
| [23:48:06] | iamlindoro__: | \o/ |
| [23:48:47] | dustybin: | iamlindoro__: isnt it about time we had a break from the computer? |
| [23:49:03] | sphery: | camelreef: ah, you only read the reporter's summary--users often don't report the issues correctly. But it does mention audio tracks being swapped. |
| [23:49:16] | kormoc: | dustybin, Aye, I think you taking a long break would be a great idea. Go explore the world! |
| [23:49:20] | iamlindoro__: | dustybin, a) I go to my job all day. b) I ran 8 miles this morning, what have you done today? |
| [23:49:32] | sphery: | kormoc: what's this "world" of which you speak? |
| [23:49:44] | kormoc: | sphery, that 3d thing outside the walls of the safe-box |
| [23:49:50] | sphery: | camelreef: there's also http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2797 |
| [23:50:19] | sphery: | camelreef: mainly meaning that reporting the audio tracks being swapped won't help as it's been reported in various ways in several tickets :) |
| [23:51:04] | camelreef: | sphery, yeah, just read the res, my issue, indeed |
| [23:51:05] | sphery: | camelreef: and I'm guessing that http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2266 is the same issue |
| [23:51:48] | dustybin: | the graphics are not very good in the 'world' |
| [23:51:59] | camelreef: | sphery, reading it all |
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| [23:52:02] | iamlindoro__: | But the virtual reality is awesome |
| [23:52:02] | camelreef: | all bookmarked |
| [23:52:03] | kormoc: | dustybin, go see a eye doctor then |
| [23:52:21] | camelreef: | I wish I could code to save my life... |
| [23:52:25] | kormoc: | cause if realities' graphics suck, you have a major issue |
| [23:52:26] | iamlindoro__: | It's like a First Person Real Time strategy where the goal is to meet ladies |
| [23:52:57] | sphery: | iamlindoro__: Leisure Suit Larry? |
| [23:53:19] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, First Person! |
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| [23:53:41] | sphery: | oh, yeah, they never advance LSL that far... :) |
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| [23:54:50] | camelreef: | sphery, thanks again, all bookmarked. |
| [23:54:56] | camelreef: | time for bed now |
| [23:54:58] | camelreef: | ttyl |
| [23:55:07] | ** camelreef waves bye-bye ** | |
| [23:55:24] | sphery: | bye |
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| [23:58:59] | dustybin: | are there any differences between using a FX5200 with 128MB of ram and a FX5200 with 256MB of ram? |
| [23:59:07] | dustybin: | (with regards to mythtv) |
| [23:59:18] | kormoc: | 128 megs more free video ram? |
| [23:59:41] | iamlindoro__: | You'll probably have to check more dumpsters for the 256 MB one, you unemployed schmuck |
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