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Saturday, November 29th, 2008, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:11] sphery: do they have the brackets that give you extra inputs on for HD-PVR (i.e. like you could get for the 2nd RCA/S-Video input for PVR-500)?
[00:00:24] iamlindoro: If it doesn't introduce delay, then it could be the best of both-worlds... play in real time, record in HD, and keep the 5.1 soundtrack
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[00:00:46] iamlindoro: sphery: No, it's all self-contained in the USB box
[00:00:57] sphery: Oh, forgot it's not internal.
[00:01:08] sphery: how many inputs do you get, then, just one?
[00:01:13] iamlindoro: yeah
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[00:01:45] iamlindoro: S-video/Component/Composite video in, RCA/SPDIF audio in
[00:02:18] sphery: so that approach would require dedicating an HD-PVR to gaming, then, right (or getting some kind of component switch box and messing with Myth's input connections every time you switch)?
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[00:03:17] iamlindoro: Well, if didn't want to swap cables, I guess so-- for me, I can't imagine doing anything but wswapping cables and cat'ing when I wanted to record a game
[00:03:46] sphery: yeah, but you'd have to let Myth know the input's no longer available, right?
[00:04:09] sphery: anyway, if people buy dedicated HD-PVR's for gaming, all the better for Hauppauge
[00:04:19] iamlindoro: yeah (or just sneak it in between recordings)
[00:04:42] iamlindoro: My Hd-PVR is my last-ditch recorder so it's not in use enough that I have to worry too much about myth needing it
[00:04:55] sphery: cool
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[00:06:25] sphery: Let me know what you find out about the passthrough delay... I'd be interested (so I know how much to laugh at people who mention the idea).
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[00:06:41] sphery: Seems a lot of people try to do that so they don't have to switch inputs on their TV's or whatever.
[00:06:50] iamlindoro: Yeah, I'l get around to it one of these days
[00:06:53] sphery: For just recording, though, I think I'd just get a component splitter.
[00:07:11] iamlindoro: mostly too lazy to go tearing around the closet
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[00:07:59] sphery: (by splitter, I mean split the output of the console. One side goes to the TV for direct display and the other goes to the HD-PVR for recording--as desired)
[00:08:04] wolf_: Hey I am trying to sue nuvexport, I keep getting this Waited too long for mythtranscode to create its fifos. Please try again, I tried compiling ffmpeg and nuvexport from source with xvid options enabled. But that didnt solve the problem. Anyone else ran into this?
[00:08:09] sphery: then, no delay, but can still record games
[00:08:16] wolf_: use* not sue heh*
[00:08:18] iamlindoro: whoah, whoah, no need to sue, we'll pay up
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[00:08:28] wolf_: yeah yeah i corrected myself before you got me :-P
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[00:11:32] sphery: Only things I know about nuvexport: 1) make sure you're using the right version of nuvexport for your version of mythtv and b) OK, I guess I only know one thing about nuvexport...
[00:11:54] wolf_: sphery, heh, well it should be the latest version of both
[00:12:12] wolf_: sphery, well actually I dont know about mythtv, I installed it from a repo so maybe not
[00:12:44] sphery: actually, latest version in the repo should be good (better than "latest version", really)
[00:13:36] wolf_: sphery, yeah... I dunno Ive had the exact same issue on two differnet backends, yet I cant really find any solution on it from googling
[00:14:04] wolf_: Seems strange. I think that somewhere I saw a thread that recommended compiling ffmpeg from source to fix the issue, but that I ahve already done
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[01:02:23] TuomasT: Does anyone here use tv_grab_dvb ?
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[01:40:10] fuxxy_: Has the syntax for mythtvosd changed from 0.20 to 0.21?
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[02:18:15] GreyFoxx: I don't think so
[02:24:59] iamlindoro: kormoc: Went and checked MPEG-2 after what Chutt said about the new patches, and I agree, looks great now after 19168
[02:25:27] GreyFoxx: Just doing a make install on that now myself :) Funtimes :)
[02:26:00] iamlindoro: GreyFoxx: Hopefully can figure out what I'm doing differently with the discrete card than I am with the IGP
[02:26:14] iamlindoro: or perhaps the driver just isn't co-operating with my 9300 IGP yet
[02:27:07] GreyFoxx: Not that I need it, but it's fun to play with
[02:27:18] GreyFoxx: nothing I'e played has have problems on this new frontend
[02:27:41] iamlindoro: yeah, my downstairs (where VDPAU is working) is same, upstairs could probably use it (where it's not)
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[02:28:15] GreyFoxx: I've got several vidos with DTS audio that aren't playing since the last ffmpeg sync though
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[02:28:25] GreyFoxx: My wife just pointed it out today
[02:28:25] iamlindoro: I noticed slight picture corruption for the first GOP in MPEG-2, interested to see if you see the same
[02:28:38] iamlindoro: GreyFoxx: Same. DTS to analog is broken, DTS passthrough is working fine
[02:29:01] iamlindoro: Told janneg but not sure he noticed, didn't want to burden him with more bugs/complaints
[02:29:12] GreyFoxx: heh
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[02:29:57] iamlindoro: Oh, and Whew, at last I have that MPEG-1 hardware acceleration I've always been hoping for
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[02:30:56] iamlindoro: They also fixed h.264 accel in MKV with this revision of the libav* patches so that will help you I think
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[02:38:42] dustybin: the siege is still going on, this is unbelievable
[02:39:02] GreyFoxx: siege?
[02:39:19] dustybin: india
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[02:39:36] dustybin: now they are setting fire to the hotel
[02:40:05] GreyFoxx: I had no idea that was going on :)
[02:40:13] dustybin: jeeeeeeeeeze
[02:40:18] tank-man: law enforcers are setting fire?
[02:41:13] iamlindoro__: They have been "clearing" each floor of the hotel by collapsing it
[02:41:22] dustybin: bloody heck
[02:41:37] iamlindoro__: search rooms for survivors/good guys, collapse floor
[02:41:48] dustybin: how much money will that cost to repair
[02:41:56] tank-man: sounds like a mini 9/11 heh
[02:42:11] dustybin: i think its coming up to the 4th day
[02:42:11] ** Dave123-road has driven by the taj mahal hotel several years ago **
[02:42:16] iamlindoro__: They're gonna end up knocking it all down, it's ruined inside from fire apparently
[02:42:44] Dave123-road: dude why can't they just send more men in and kick down more doors
[02:42:46] dustybin: the SAS would of cleared it days ago
[02:43:29] Dave123-road: dustybin, the sas is good like that
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[02:44:12] iamlindoro__: These guys they've got doing it are *not* yahoos, they've done a pretty remarkable job so far
[02:44:33] iamlindoro__: Not to mention its your boys who trained their boys ;)
[02:44:43] dustybin: haha
[02:45:10] iamlindoro__: Anyway, it's not right to second-guess them while it's still going on, these situations are dynamic
[02:45:19] dustybin: if they want to set the building on fire, do it from the top so the fire engines cannot put it out
[02:45:28] dustybin: stupid terrrorists
[02:45:31] iamlindoro__: There will be many years of monday-morning quarterbacking ahead, I imagine
[02:45:54] iamlindoro__: They're not setting fires, they're setting off RDX.
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[02:46:08] dustybin: whats RDX?
[02:46:14] iamlindoro__: Some of the secondary fires are from incendiary and chemical rounds
[02:46:18] iamlindoro__: Military-grade explosive
[02:46:20] dustybin: oh
[02:46:42] iamlindoro__: They turned up a fair amount of it undetonated in a western Cafe yesterday
[02:46:53] iamlindoro__: Bad guys were very, very, very well prepared and equipped
[02:47:14] dustybin: they look very young too
[02:47:24] iamlindoro__: Easiest group to radicalize
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[02:49:40] dustybin: they must be working shifts, how the hell can they sleep through this?
[02:50:02] dustybin: anyway, back to mythtv
[02:50:08] iamlindoro__: Looks like there's only one left outstanding
[02:50:32] iamlindoro__: Odds of him being captured alive are low. 16 Police Officers dead = low odds of survival for bad guys
[02:51:20] dustybin: They should try and get him alive and force information out of him, then kill him
[02:51:27] iamlindoro__: They have 9 in custody
[02:51:33] dustybin: oh good
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[02:51:52] iamlindoro__: And probably the boat they came from with more on it
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[02:53:36] dustybin: i thought there is technology what can sense heat of bodies inside buildings
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[02:58:27] jpabq: iamlindoro__, bummer about the 9300 & VDPAU. My board will be delivered on Monday (even though it has been in town since last wednesday).
[02:59:34] iamlindoro__: jpabq, Well, it could just as easily still be *some* random software thing, but I feel like I've done everything I can to eliminate that
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[03:00:09] iamlindoro__: They're both running same revision of same distro/same driver/same patch set/same Myth revision/same settings, so it's the best I can do without making myself crazy
[03:00:50] iamlindoro__: I can be realistic about the fact that it's in its infancy, and that before too long it'll be more bulletproof.
[03:01:46] sphery: iamlindoro__: you should complain. I'm pretty sure the box your mobo came in said "PureVideo" on it...
[03:02:08] jpabq: I assume no one has asked the nVidia people why it works on the cards, but not the integrated.
[03:02:20] iamlindoro__: I'd like to speak to a manager at Myth, Inc. I demand a full refund.
[03:02:27] sphery: lol
[03:02:58] jpabq: When did Myth becomes incorporated? I wanna buy stock :-p
[03:03:01] iamlindoro__: jpabq, My conclusion could be totally false, just the best I can think of off the top of my head
[03:03:50] jpabq: Annoys me that Newegg said *Guaranteed* 3 day shipping, and it will a total of 10 days before I actually get my hands on it.
[03:04:52] iamlindoro__: Ugh
[03:04:59] iamlindoro__: that's bad even in light of the holiday
[03:05:12] jpabq: iamlindoro__, I subscribed to the ffmpeg list, so I have been following your thread about DTS-MA.
[03:05:52] iamlindoro__: jpabq, I'm slightly frustrated-- definitely trying to approach it in a very humble manner, but it would be nice to get someone who is authorized to look at it to do so
[03:06:04] jpabq: yup
[03:07:10] jpabq: I did get a Panasonic DMP-BD55K for my birthday, so I can now watch the blu-ray movies I have bought.
[03:07:16] iamlindoro__: Nice
[03:07:46] iamlindoro__: I usually find that in about 80% of cases there's a 5.1 AC3 track in there alongside the DTS-HD stuff
[03:08:06] jpabq: For some (wrong) reason, I though DTS-MA implied 7.1. I have 4 movies with DTS-MA, and all of them are just 5.1. Unless I have something miss-configured.
[03:08:29] jpabq: The Die Hards only have DTS
[03:08:42] iamlindoro__: Hmm. Bummer.
[03:10:30] jpabq: sphery, the primary reason I sold my old Samsung DLP and bought one of the new LED based ones, was for 1080p 24Hz HDMI. The improved overall picture quality was a nice bonus.
[03:12:02] sphery: jpabq: cool. how'd you do on the sale of your DLP? (Sold it to a private individual, I assume, not some kind of trade in with purchase.)
[03:12:15] iamlindoro__: I was very very tempted to take advantage of one of the 1080p Black Friday deals, so I sat down this morning and paid my bills and property taxes, and now I don't need to worry about accidentally buying a TV
[03:12:38] jpabq: sphery, yeah, I sold it to a friend for 800.
[03:12:52] sphery: wow. not bad, but definitely not what you paid.  :)
[03:13:13] sphery: that's the problem when we buy things when the tech is brand new... :)
[03:13:20] jpabq: Half of current Amazon price for an equivalent tv. I figured that was fair.
[03:14:05] sphery: so the LCD has a 24Hz mode (that's not just 24Hz input)?
[03:14:23] iamlindoro__: 72 Hz, 24 fps input most likely
[03:14:41] jpabq: Two weeks after I sold it to them, their house was broken into. The tv was not stolen, but it was knocked over, and now has a black stripe down one side. Insurance company paid them 850 to get it fixed. They decided they could live with the black stripe, and are keeping the money for a new tv next year.
[03:15:06] iamlindoro__: knocked it out of alignment, I guess
[03:15:07] sphery: nice
[03:15:23] jpabq: My new tv is another DLP, but uses LED for the light source instead of halogen lamp. The tv has a native 120Hz refresh.
[03:15:55] iamlindoro__: Ah, that makes sense in light of 24p
[03:16:13] sphery: I wonder if that's the same black stripe I got. If so, it's either a) foam that's blocking the light from the projector or b) the light tunnel is collapsing (I had both--a) when I first bought it and b) after 15mos)
[03:16:45] sphery: a) is easily fixable by just opening the window on the side and moving the foam around--should be easy to see where the foam is "lit up"
[03:17:02] sphery: for b) Samsung replaced the entire light engine
[03:17:22] jpabq: They told me the black stripe was REALLY bad right after it happened. After getting it back from the repair shop (to get the bid for the insurance company), they said it was not near as bad — only half an inch?
[03:17:54] sphery: 120Hz makes sense--5x24 or 4x30 or 2x60
[03:18:11] jpabq: Yeah. Love the new tv.
[03:18:46] sphery: And, they can do the fancy "insert black frames to compensate for LCD refresh effects" thing...
[03:19:24] jpabq: http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-HL67A750-67-Inc . . . p/B001413DWQ
[03:19:55] iamlindoro__: Very nice.
[03:20:23] sphery: that's the 2x the $800 for equivalent one, right?
[03:21:06] jpabq: I bought mine locally, just in case it had "sag" on the screen. Which it did. Not much, but a bit. I made the local store exchange it, and the new one also has a tiny amount of "sag", but not as much. I can certainly live with it. And there was no way I was get a 67" LCD or Plasma for that price.
[03:21:57] sphery: you said yours is an LCD, right?
[03:22:11] jpabq: This is the closes current equivalent to my old tv: http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-HL61A650-61-Inc . . . p/B00141765G
[03:24:01] sphery: oh, wait... "jpabq> My new tv is another DLP"... Don't know where I got LCD from...
[03:24:17] iamlindoro__: They need to get on releasing more TV on Blu-ray. I want Farscape.
[03:24:17] sphery: guess I misread LED.
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[03:24:53] jpabq: I stuck with DLP because I never had any problem with the first one (unlike you), and the price/quality/performance ratio was the best.
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[03:25:15] sphery: So, with the DLP, there's no need for the black/dim frame thing that LCD's need ( http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entertainment . . . n-290237.php ), so I guess the real benefit of 120Hz on DLP is matching frame rate for 24fps, 30fps, or 60fps sources (because it's an even multiple of each).
[03:25:33] jpabq: Farscape was a VERY good show. It was also VERY expensive on DVD.
[03:25:52] iamlindoro__: Tell me about it, I bought it in the 3-episode sets they released
[03:26:08] jpabq: sphery, right. 120Hz also means the TV can do 3D, but letting each eye see 60Hz through LCD shutter glasses.
[03:26:09] sphery: Yeah, I still like price/quality/performance (I hate the look of LCD's), but it feels rather fragile, now (thanks to the issues I had). And, I really don't feel like buying a $400 bulb (but I need one).
[03:26:26] jpabq: s/but/bye/
[03:26:35] jpabq: s/bye/by/
[03:26:48] sphery: from what I understand, the movie industry is pushing 3D really hard (spending billions to upgrade existing theaters to allow 3D).
[03:26:56] jpabq: LED based DLP are supposed to last 15+ years.
[03:26:57] iamlindoro__: Yeah, I don't get it
[03:27:24] iamlindoro__: Until there's a method wherein I can watch without headgear, I don't see myself seeing any 3D movies
[03:27:34] jpabq: sphery, you could always get one of Mitsu's laser based DLPs! They run around 7k, though.
[03:27:49] iamlindoro__: NED is looking good
[03:28:03] jpabq: Still years away, though.
[03:28:24] sphery: jpabq: I've heard that the bulb life for non-LED DLP's is 2–4 years with replacement about $400. For LED-based DLP's, you have to replace the LED "bulb" after about 4–6 years for about $800 (those prices may have dropped since I checked about 1 1/2 to 2 years ago).
[03:28:47] sphery: But, there's no light tunnel in the LED-based ones (so that failure mode is completely gone :)
[03:29:03] jpabq: You would have to leave it on 24hours a day to go through the LEDs in only 6 years.
[03:30:02] sphery: Oh, also, it's nice that you got the 67" TV you had wished you bought the first time :)
[03:30:20] jpabq: Plasmas & LCDs don't last any longer, and you have to replace the whole TV --- Not that that is necessarily a bad thing....
[03:30:25] jpabq: Yup!
[03:30:45] sphery: Yeah, I don't see plasma and LCD as being any longer lasting
[03:31:10] jpabq: 4 months after buying the 61, I was thinking I should have gone bigger. I have now had the 67" for 4 months, and I don't wish I had gone bigger!
[03:31:17] sphery: I think the whole industry is expecting users to churn through HDTV sets every few years (and I don't think most consumers realize that).
[03:31:58] jpabq: I expect to get 5–6 years out of this tv. There will be cool, new tech by then.... right?
[03:32:01] sphery: Gotta say that it's kind of sad how much less expensive that TV is than the one I bought--especially since it's so much better.
[03:32:12] sphery: I want my NED.
[03:32:30] jpabq: Yeah. That is why I didn't think I could justify asking for more than 800 for my old one.
[03:32:34] iamlindoro__: I'm about 5 years in to my current LCD TV, and I can't say that any current technology is appreciably more impressive to me
[03:32:44] iamlindoro__: Prices sure are though
[03:33:39] sphery: heh... I though djvu was dead, but Samsung has the manual for your TV in that format.
[03:34:04] sphery: They also have a firmware update for your TV (OS = "All Windows" :) http://www.samsung.com/us/support/download/su . . . _nm=HL67A750
[03:34:06] jpabq: The picture quality of a good DLP, IMHO, blows away any LCD I have seen. However, DLP have the same drawbacks as any projection based system — you are not going to get *perfect* geometry.
[03:35:00] iamlindoro__: The LCD makes a good TV for the bedroom (and is also the monitor I'm typing on right now). Downstairs I love my Projector.
[03:35:14] sphery: so does your TV have the serial port/specs for the serial port control?
[03:35:52] jpabq: sphery, I believe so, but have not been interested enough to investigate.
[03:36:19] jpabq: sphery, Interesting find on that firmware. I have not experienced any of the problems it is supposed to fix, so I may not bother with it, though.
[03:36:40] sphery: I'm still telling myself that one day I'll write a program that allows me to turn on the TV through serial so I can pass a serial cable through the wall and my Myth box can turn on the TV when appropriate.
[03:37:01] sphery: good idea with the firmware. messing with cheap PC mobos is one thing...
[03:37:24] sphery: just found the GPL in the manual for your TV.
[03:37:25] jpabq: My new blu-ray player will happily tell me tv to turn on/off as needed, and switch to the correct input. All automatically, just by telling the blu-ray player to turn on/off.
[03:37:48] jpabq: done via HDMI
[03:38:15] sphery: cool. didn't know that was an option in HDMI
[03:38:31] sphery: probably using the DPMS stuff?
[03:39:01] iamlindoro__: It has its own control scheme/standard AFAIK
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[03:41:22] iamlindoro__: CEC/AV Link
[03:41:43] jpabq: Yeah. HDMI has a "control" protocal. I think it is called HDAVI. Panasonic has their own name for it, though.
[03:41:53] sphery: wow... lamp prices have dropped. $149.99 for assembly.
[03:41:53] iamlindoro__: "Alternative names for CEC are Anynet (Samsung), Aquos Link (Sharp), BRAVIA Theatre Sync (Sony), Kuro Link (Pioneer), Regza Link (Toshiba), RIHD (Onkyo), Simplink (LG), Viera Link/EZ-Sync (Panasonic/JVC), Easylink (Philips) and NetCommand for HDMI (Mitsubishi)."
[03:41:54] iamlindoro__: Heh
[03:43:15] jpabq: Well, my panasonic blu-ray seems to talk to my Samsung TV just fine. So, they all seem to get along.
[03:43:22] sphery: new light engine is $909.09 with a $350 core value for old
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[03:44:15] jpabq: For that much money, you should just get a new TV.
[03:44:28] sphery: yeah.
[03:44:43] sphery: It would be 1/4 the price of a new tv
[03:44:51] a1fa: lol
[03:44:52] a1fa: :0
[03:44:57] a1fa: i didnt even know what cpu I had
[03:45:00] jpabq: 1/4? Wow, which tv do you want?
[03:45:01] a1fa: its been forever
[03:45:43] jpabq: sphery, oh, I didn't subtract the 350.
[03:45:53] a1fa: i was going through my closet and I found a motherboard
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[03:46:54] a1fa: iamlindoro: 7800GTX not good enough for HD stuff?
[03:47:05] a1fa: only some 8, and all 9 series, right?
[03:47:07] sphery: jpabq: yeah, after the -$30
[03:47:10] sphery: -$350
[03:47:12] iamlindoro__: For VDPAU? No. For software rendering? Yes.
[03:47:31] iamlindoro__: correct, most 8xxx, all 9xxx
[03:47:36] a1fa: what playback profile would that be?
[03:47:44] a1fa: hehesucks
[03:47:57] iamlindoro__: for what? For that card, you should use Xv-blit
[03:48:07] a1fa: whats that?
[03:48:28] iamlindoro__: The renderer that should be used for most decent cards
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[03:48:44] a1fa: i havent updated my box yet
[03:48:54] iamlindoro__: updated to what? What are we talking about?
[03:48:59] a1fa: :)
[03:49:04] a1fa: 7800GTX is in my windows box
[03:49:05] a1fa: hehe
[03:49:15] iamlindoro__: xv-blit is the normal renderer for nvidia cards, ATI card, Intel cards, etc.
[03:49:19] a1fa: my friend will sell me his 9 series
[03:49:26] a1fa: so i am going to be updating my mythtv box shortyl
[03:49:40] iamlindoro__: Unless he's selling it to you for under $30, just buy a new one
[03:49:50] a1fa: cpu, mobo and a video card
[03:49:55] a1fa: actually two of them in SLI
[03:49:57] a1fa: combi
[03:49:58] iamlindoro__: a new VDPAU capable card will be about $30
[03:50:03] a1fa: for $100
[03:50:05] iamlindoro__: and SLI won't do you any good
[03:50:11] iamlindoro__: but hey, whatevs
[03:50:14] a1fa: cpu, mobo, two cards and 4GB ram for $100
[03:50:31] a1fa: i am taking the two slis for my gaming rig
[03:50:34] iamlindoro__: Why is your friend letting you rip him off?
[03:50:44] a1fa: he is upgrading his crap
[03:50:48] iamlindoro__: k
[03:51:22] a1fa: i dont know if i should buy a new case
[03:51:37] a1fa: i want this thing inside a small desk
[03:51:38] a1fa: under the tv
[03:51:44] a1fa: there is going to be shit load of heat
[03:51:48] a1fa: what do you guys use
[03:51:55] a1fa: and where do you keep your computer
[03:52:00] a1fa: what do you do with the heat?
[03:52:23] iamlindoro__: In the Equipment closet, with all the cabling run through the wall to nice, neat wall plates.
[03:52:45] a1fa: hm
[03:52:58] a1fa: even for your frontend?
[03:53:01] GreyFoxx: my main frontend is behind a curtain under my basement stairs with the rest of my backends
[03:53:14] GreyFoxx: cable runs to the tv and projector
[03:53:42] a1fa: hm
[03:53:46] iamlindoro__: yes, that's the point-- the only visible things are DVI/HDMI/VGA/S-Video/Component wall plates on the ceiling 6 inches from the projector
[03:53:48] a1fa: how long is your HDMI cable?
[03:54:19] iamlindoro__: You can do somewhere in the 30–50 foot range with HDMI passively
[03:54:38] a1fa: damn
[03:54:42] GreyFoxx: I have a 25 footer for the TV and 30 for the projector
[03:54:52] iamlindoro__: These guys rock: http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/hdmi-cables/index.htm
[03:55:06] GreyFoxx: Got my cables for free heh
[03:55:16] a1fa: my backend/frontend is right next to the tv
[03:55:17] GreyFoxx: have a drawer full of them still unopenned :)
[03:55:23] a1fa: it sucks because its a high traffic area with two dogs
[03:55:28] a1fa: i have to shut it down every month
[03:55:31] a1fa: and get the dust out
[03:55:33] a1fa: and dog hair
[03:55:36] iamlindoro__: Time to start running through those walls
[03:55:45] iamlindoro__: You'll look at it when you're done and be very happy
[03:56:07] iamlindoro__: <--- Likes things neat
[03:56:22] GreyFoxx: At my last house I ran video/coax/ethernet to every room. It was sweet
[03:56:38] GreyFoxx: I feed my upstairs living room via cables in the wall
[03:56:50] GreyFoxx: and my master backend is a frontend for it :)
[03:56:56] a1fa: i run ethernet cables to my computer room
[03:57:05] a1fa: but how do you do IR?
[03:57:11] a1fa: do you also have IR blaster?
[03:57:25] GreyFoxx: RF remote
[03:57:33] a1fa: :P
[03:57:39] GreyFoxx: the reciever is in the basement on top of the backend :)
[03:57:50] a1fa: damn it
[03:57:52] a1fa: i dont have a basement
[03:57:55] a1fa: concrete slab :)
[03:57:57] iamlindoro__: I modded a receiver and put it in a wall plate
[03:58:06] iamlindoro__: usb through the wall to the wall plate
[03:58:18] a1fa: sheet :0
[03:58:26] a1fa: i guess thats a lot cleaner
[03:58:32] a1fa: i am not that neat
[03:58:40] GreyFoxx: It's too bad usb doesn\t go further than 16 ft without a powered hub or something
[03:58:42] a1fa: i got shit hanging from everywhere
[03:58:48] a1fa: the only neat place is where woman controls it
[03:58:56] a1fa: living room, bedroom, bathroom, kitchen
[03:59:02] a1fa: my compute room is crazy :P
[03:59:22] GreyFoxx: I have a usb cable leading o the upstairs frontend connected to a dvdrom in a usb enclosure
[03:59:31] GreyFoxx: but I have ahub n the middle to make the distance :)
[03:59:39] a1fa: SATA DVD player in the wall?
[03:59:45] a1fa: hihi
[04:00:54] a1fa: any info whether or not netflix will release their API?
[04:01:00] GreyFoxx: no idea
[04:02:09] clever: GreyFoxx: ive run a usb webcam off atleast 5 or 6 usb extensions
[04:02:30] clever: half of them where plain extensions, and the other half used the 5v line to 'boost' the data signals back to proper levels
[04:02:53] GreyFoxx: I'd just rather be le ot buy a single 30 ft vcable without hubs or anything
[04:03:12] J-e-f-f-A: GreyFoxx: You might be able to make a really long USB cable with Cat5e or Cat6 network cable... ;-)
[04:03:15] clever: then you would have to solder a usb connector on either end
[04:04:35] J-e-f-f-A: Or snip a short usb cable and splice in the cat5 cable — that would give you a few inches at each end with a more flexible cable
[04:05:55] clever: would still be more complex then shoving extensions into eachother
[04:06:18] ** J-e-f-f-A ponders on testing the theory with a USB-RJ45 setup and a good length of Cat5... ;-) **
[04:06:36] fuxxy_: GreyFoxx, that's the first thing I did when I moved in my house is run cat5, coax, and phone to every room. It was an extreme PITA, but worth it.
[04:07:33] clever: fuxxy_: i only run lines as i need them and yes it is a PITA
[04:07:54] clever: ive run out of long cat5 lines so im just putting spare routers at the end to act as a splitter
[04:07:56] clever: brb
[04:11:48] ** J-e-f-f-A is fortunate enough to own a house with a full basement and can easily run lines from the basement to the attic... ;-) 8x RG6's and 4x network so far... ;-) **
[04:12:41] clever: my basement has fiberglass tiles
[04:12:52] clever: i can just pop them out and run wires
[04:13:07] fuxxy_: J-e-f-f-A, I've got a 4 bedroom house, and a 24 port switch – with 16-ish ports already used.
[04:13:36] ** fuxxy_ looks for the ethernet jack on the microwave **
[04:14:05] clever: crap
[04:14:08] clever: 0 bytes free
[04:14:13] clever: damn transcode:P
[04:14:46] J-e-f-f-A: fuxxy_: I've got a mixture of stuff... my equipment in the basement is on a Gigigabit router and 2 Gig switches, plus an old Cisco 2950 10/100 24-port Switch. ;-) (Which will probably be coming out soon for a Gig switch...)
[04:15:15] clever: ive got a 12port 100mbit switch in the furnace room
[04:15:28] clever: and a pair of 4 port routers acting as splitters to get 3 extra ports each
[04:15:50] J-e-f-f-A: fuxxy_: My new C2D 2.2Ghz frontend is MUCH faster since I moved it onto the gig switch... like 2–3x faster... I think my Cisco switch is a little flaky, or doesn't want to play 'smooth' with the Gig equipment.
[04:15:52] fuxxy_: J-e-f-f-A, that cisco switch managed with the two "expansion" ports on the right hand side? I think I've got the same one
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[04:16:46] fuxxy_: I havent made the switch to gigabit myself.
[04:17:11] J-e-f-f-A: fuxxy_: Not this model. I think there might be slots on the back for expansion, but the front is just 24 standard ports. It's a managed switch though, so maybe somethings fubar in it's configuration...
[04:17:52] fuxxy_: and I'm seriously considering buying this LGA 775 motherboard for my frontend, I don't have the cash to put a C2D in it yet, but I've got plenty of LGA775 P4's laying around until I do.
[04:18:07] J-e-f-f-A: fuxxy_: Speed-wise it's completly unnecessary, even for HD, but man did it speed up network operations on my new fast frontend... like 2–3x faster... Recordings screen pops up in like 1/2 a second now – used to take 2–3 seconds on the Cisco at 100mbit...
[04:18:21] J-e-f-f-A: Playback starts in about 3/4 second vs 2–3 seconds before...
[04:18:27] fuxxy_: hmm
[04:18:42] fuxxy_: could be worth the effort :)
[04:20:44] J-e-f-f-A: fuxxy_: It reminded me of the scene in "Lost In Space" where he's logging into the computer on the abandoned spaceship, and says "Woah!" ... in response to how fast the computer was because it was way faster than he expected it to be... that's how I felt when I switched that frontend...
[04:20:58] fuxxy_: heheh
[04:21:13] J-e-f-f-A: fuxxy_: ... from 100Mbit to Gig "just because" it had the interface... I really didn't expect much of a speed increase...
[04:22:20] fuxxy_: what do you guys think of this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . 37-_-Product
[04:22:52] fuxxy_: I'd start out with a P4 Prescott 2.8Ghz, and then upgrade to a C2D when I have the money.
[04:23:10] t0ny-p40: My pvr-150 is way louder then my firewire cable box. Is there a way to adjust?
[04:23:31] fuxxy_: Not sure about the video card, I don't have a PCI-E card on hand to put in it yet.
[04:24:23] J-e-f-f-A: t0ny-p40: Yes – there's a volume level for the tuner, IIRC it's in mythtv-setup for the tuner card...
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[04:24:53] t0ny-p40: thanks J-e-f-f-A
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[04:25:55] J-e-f-f-A: NP.  ;-) (J-e-f-f-A is jealous of t0ny-p40's firewire...)
[04:27:10] J-e-f-f-A: t0ny-p40: Humm.. I don't see it in there.... must be in the recording profiles.... (checking)
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[04:27:21] Chutt: anyone tried the vdpau stuff in trunk yet?
[04:28:13] t0ny-p40: Ya I dont see it anywhere. :/
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[04:28:35] t0ny-p40: Just picked up this box a few days ago. $15/m :/
[04:28:38] gizmobay: What is VDPAU?
[04:28:39] GreyFoxx: Yeah. Giving me lots of troubles :)
[04:29:09] GreyFoxx: Chutt: My first 1 or 2 playbcks after areboot have the video all "green" with the OSD/menu perfectly fine
[04:29:23] GreyFoxx: after that I just get a quick flash of a greenframe and then black videp
[04:29:25] GreyFoxx: video
[04:29:29] Anduin: Chutt: Yes, green here, can adjust to get B/W ish
[04:29:30] fuxxy_: J-e-f-f-A, this one looks nice. onboard GeForce 7100 – http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131229
[04:29:33] GreyFoxx: with the audio playing
[04:29:38] Chutt: mpeg2?
[04:29:43] GreyFoxx: yeah
[04:29:46] Chutt: hrm
[04:30:02] GreyFoxx: I've tried a couple h264 samples and get the same
[04:30:10] GreyFoxx: the bbc test and hdpvr test samples
[04:30:30] GreyFoxx: but most tests have been sd mpeg2 and hdtv mpeg2
[04:30:30] Chutt: maybe i should try release mode
[04:30:34] J-e-f-f-A: t0ny-p40: Yeah, Settings -> TV Settings -> Recording Profiles — 4th screen of the profile is the recording volume %...
[04:30:38] Chutt: might be something uninitialized
[04:30:48] GreyFoxx: I do see this though if it means anything
[04:30:51] Chutt: but mark just wrote and said it was working fine for him as well
[04:30:57] GreyFoxx: 2008-11–29 00:13:38.633 VDP: GetFilteredDeint() : vdpau -> 'vdpauadvanceddoublerate'
[04:30:57] GreyFoxx: 2008-11–29 00:13:38.633 VDPAU Error: Error at util-vdpau.cpp:1312 (#0, UNKNOWN)
[04:30:59] GreyFoxx: 2008-11–29 00:13:38.633 VDPAU Error: Error at util-vdpau.cpp:1330 (#0, UNKNOWN)
[04:31:25] Chutt: hrm
[04:31:35] Chutt: can you comment out that section of code?
[04:31:35] t0ny-p40: Thanks again J-e-f-f-A.
[04:31:40] Chutt: with the noise reduction/sharpness settings
[04:31:42] GreyFoxx: I should note I have 2 pcie cards in here with seperate X servers so I don't know if that might be aproblem. The mplayer stuff worked fine
[04:31:46] GreyFoxx: yu
[04:32:00] Chutt: from 1295->1332
[04:32:07] GreyFoxx: k
[04:32:16] Chutt: as well as lines 608 and 608
[04:32:17] Chutt: err 609
[04:32:46] GreyFoxx: the box is rebooting now, just waiting for it
[04:33:02] Chutt: Anduin, GreyFoxx: what kind of cards?
[04:33:18] Chutt: also, from the commandline (mythtv <filename>), or mythfrontend?
[04:33:43] Chutt: and the newer driver (180.08, not .06)?
[04:33:46] GreyFoxx: So far just mythfrontend. An 8400 and an 8500. Only tried the 8400 (the one that works for vc-1)
[04:34:32] GreyFoxx: 180.08 here
[04:34:47] J-e-f-f-A: t0ny-p40: NP. ;-) Glad to help.
[04:34:55] Anduin: Chutt: 8400 GS
[04:35:21] Chutt: a G98 or one of the older ones?
[04:35:50] GreyFoxx: G98 here
[04:36:04] fuxxy_: Good lord, they shoehorned enough stuff onto this board. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131348
[04:36:43] fuxxy_: Not sure if I like the 9300, I think nvidia disabled xvmc in boards >7000
[04:36:51] Chutt: you don't want xvmc
[04:39:03] fuxxy_: Chutt, on that board specifically, or in all situations?
[04:39:06] J-e-f-f-A: fuxxy_: And you don't need it anymore really... Only works on MPEG2 anyways...
[04:39:16] Chutt: in all situations
[04:39:26] GreyFoxx: Chutt: Just black screen :/
[04:39:34] Chutt: black screen?
[04:39:38] Chutt: hrm
[04:39:49] GreyFoxx: That was a HDTV mpeg2 recording via firewire
[04:39:59] GreyFoxx: just kicked of a SDTV mpeg2 from apvr250 and it's "green"
[04:40:01] Chutt: well, it's either the deinterlacing, the color controls, or the noise reduction/sharpness stuff
[04:40:10] t0ny-p40: J-e-f-f-A here is a faster way to change it echo "update codecparams set value = '80' where name = 'mpeg2audvolume';" | mysql -u root mythconverg
[04:40:11] t0ny-p40: :)
[04:40:19] Chutt: ok, can you cut out anything with ColorControls in it?
[04:40:30] GreyFoxx: starting the same recordin a second time and it's black this time hehe
[04:41:00] J-e-f-f-A: t0ny-p40: Yeah, that works. ;-) (as long as you're comfortable with mysql, many aren't! ;-) ) hehe
[04:41:05] Chutt: does adjusting the color controls in the frontend do anything?
[04:41:14] GreyFoxx: hmm lemme try
[04:41:57] GreyFoxx: Ok, when the video is green I can bring up the menu and OSD, but when the times the screen is black I don\t see them at all
[04:42:05] Anduin: Chutt: it does for me (thus the B/W like)
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[04:42:33] Chutt: hrm
[04:42:43] Chutt: can you try removing the color controls stuff?
[04:42:51] Chutt: it's pretty obvious in utils-vdpau.cpp
[04:43:20] Chutt: SetPictureAttributes, InitColorControl, etc
[04:43:53] Chutt: actually, just in Init()
[04:44:07] Chutt: useColorControl = false; //InitColorControl();
[04:44:46] fuxxy_: Chutt, I tried to watch "The Incredibles" OTA a night or two ago, and my video kept freezing
[04:44:56] Chutt: fuxxy_, why would i care?
[04:45:06] fuxxy_: Chutt, we were talking about xvmc?
[04:45:08] fuxxy_: but ok.
[04:45:17] Chutt: as i said, you don't want xvmc.
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[04:46:13] GreyFoxx: Ok, I get ablack screen everytime now
[04:46:59] Chutt: errors?
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[04:47:42] iamlindoro__: Chutt, I have total success on one system (9800 GT) and same segfaults as gbee on the other (9300 IGP). Both systems same distro/driver/patches/revisions/Playback profiles
[04:47:55] iamlindoro__: Wondering if maybe it's the driver not liking the 9300 IGP in my case
[04:48:06] GreyFoxx: Oooh I just found 1 that works perfectly
[04:48:07] Anduin: I get color (when it doesn't crash)
[04:48:12] GreyFoxx: A MAtrix trailer
[04:48:24] Chutt: Anduin, so color controls break it?
[04:48:50] Anduin: Chutt: Yes, at least it looks that way
[04:49:00] GreyFoxx: oh, of course the video isn't h264 or mpeg2..duh
[04:49:18] RyeBrye: That stuff on the dev list about twitter + mythtv got my thinking about how cool it would be to have twitter + mythtv dump tweets to my LCD screen – since most of them time when I am watching a show it is just that progress bar
[04:49:26] GreyFoxx: 2008-11–29 00:49:17.652 VDPAU Error: Error at util-vdpau.cpp:805 (#3, An invalid
[04:49:26] GreyFoxx: handle value was provided.)
[04:49:44] Chutt: heh
[04:49:58] Chutt: GreyFoxx, might want to do a distclean
[04:50:13] Chutt: ah-hah
[04:50:18] Chutt: the 8800gt does not support the color controls
[04:50:36] Chutt: at least, the check fails
[04:51:15] ** GreyFoxx tries a distclean and wipping ccache **
[04:51:24] GreyFoxx: wipeing ?
[04:51:43] Chutt: was the video just tinted green heavily?
[04:52:04] Chutt: ie, luma was still fine, just chroma was outta whack?
[04:52:08] GreyFoxx: for me any where Iactually saw the video was very very heavily green tinted
[04:52:17] Anduin: http://rafb.net/p/tKKvqK24.html is when it crashes
[04:52:29] GreyFoxx: But most of the time just ablack screen
[04:52:35] GreyFoxx: with no osd or menu appearing
[04:52:44] Chutt: Anduin, are you running it from mythfrontend?
[04:52:54] Anduin: for me it was tinted green, though I could not get a good picture using the picture controls, just better
[04:52:58] iamlindoro: Line 4 in Anduin's crash is followed by a segfault for me
[04:53:03] iamlindoro: (w. the 9300)
[04:53:13] Chutt: how much memory do you guys have on your cards?
[04:53:20] GreyFoxx: I'll try a few using mythtv directly once this recompile finishes
[04:53:21] Anduin: Chutt: Yes, just playing a normal recording.
[04:53:29] GreyFoxx: ummm lemme see
[04:53:29] Anduin: Chutt: 256
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[04:53:44] Chutt: mark said the same about his 256
[04:53:52] Chutt: are you using the opengl painter?
[04:53:52] GreyFoxx: Memory: 524288 kBytes
[04:53:58] Anduin: I admit to buying the cheapest thing to throw in a new frontend never imagining vdpau
[04:53:59] Chutt: might try the qt painter
[04:54:16] Anduin: I am using the gl painter
[04:54:30] GreyFoxx: I'm using the GL painter for the menus and such as well
[04:54:41] Chutt: a real WM, or just something small?
[04:54:46] GreyFoxx: xfce here
[04:54:52] Chutt: we'll need to tune stuff
[04:55:09] iamlindoro: I am using the qt painter, metacity, 9300 IGP w. (I think) 256 MB
[04:55:24] ** GreyFoxx switches painters while the compile goes on **
[04:55:44] iamlindoro: FWIW mplayer is behaving same w/ VDPAU so it's not just Myth
[04:55:52] GreyFoxx: hey! I have colour video!
[04:56:06] Chutt: i disabled color controls in svn
[04:56:08] GreyFoxx: slight chop to it, but it's the first colour video so far
[04:56:25] GreyFoxx: All I changed was the painter
[04:56:41] Chutt: i was using qt
[04:56:48] Anduin: http://rafb.net/p/D6boD151.html without gl painter, seems to always crash now
[04:57:00] GreyFoxx: just stated 3 videos and all started fine in colour
[04:57:04] GreyFoxx: started
[04:57:17] Chutt: hrm
[04:57:28] Chutt: my 8800gt (512MB) can play videos fine from the frontend
[04:57:36] Anduin: ok, just apparently took one more try to work
[04:58:12] iamlindoro: Wonder if I can allot more video memory in BIOS, worth a shot
[04:58:21] iamlindoro: Working perfectly on my 1 GB card
[04:58:38] Chutt: i want to play with moving the entire UI over
[04:58:42] Chutt: but, we'll see
[04:59:13] Chutt: should make it really easy to mix ui and video that way
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[05:01:17] GreyFoxx: ok, updated my checkout , the slight stutter is gone
[05:01:25] GreyFoxx: and colour playback is working
[05:01:55] GreyFoxx: I see some artifacts on the screen that I don't see with software decoding, but overall it's working pretty well
[05:02:26] GreyFoxx: playing this hdtv recording at 2% cpu :)
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[05:05:02] Chutt: it seems to work fine on dvds, too
[05:05:59] GreyFoxx: I think the artifacts I'm seeing are scaling related
[05:06:18] Chutt: i wonder if screenshots work
[05:06:34] Chutt: i would assume they don't, but, never know
[05:06:57] Chutt: i'm still baffled by what fixed the major mpeg2 quality issues i was seeing
[05:07:11] Chutt: i don't see anything in the updated libavcodec patch that would've fixed anything
[05:08:11] GreyFoxx:
[05:08:19] Chutt: scaling's kinda iffy
[05:08:30] ** J-e-f-f-A starts to get excited about VDPAU... ;-) **
[05:08:33] Chutt: something's off whenever aspect changes
[05:08:35] Chutt: or you try to change it
[05:08:56] GreyFoxx: the OSD seems to be full screen, but being chopped at the edges of the video window heh
[05:09:05] Chutt: mark mentioned that – doesn't happen to me
[05:11:28] GreyFoxx: I've got a few videos (h264 I think) that seems to repeat the same frames over and over but the audio plays normally
[05:11:42] Chutt: they've mentioned h264 issues on nvnews
[05:11:58] Chutt: with out of order frames/etc
[05:12:01] fuxxy_: I like mythtvosd's notifications, but is there a way to keep the notification visible until it's cancelled (eg, "mute" on surround sound reciever)
[05:12:03] GreyFoxx: the h264 ones have a much better looking picture
[05:12:21] GreyFoxx: but the mpeg2 seems to play more consistantly
[05:12:42] GreyFoxx: fuxx: No, only way would be to turn up your OSD timeout really high
[05:12:55] GreyFoxx: not sure how high that can be turned up
[05:13:34] ** tjcarter winces at rack equipment costs again **
[05:14:48] tjcarter: The $1800 LCD screen and laptop keyboard pretty much proves that rack gear is artificially priced
[05:18:50] tjcarter: That's an even bigger crime than the hotswap bays, most of which for SATA systems are essentially passive backplanes.
[05:20:10] tjcarter: Some are SATA + SAS, but still basically passive boards that move the connectors.
[05:20:26] tjcarter: But the $1800 laptop-without-a-laptop takes the cake.
[05:21:21] Anduin: even when vdpau seems to work I still haven't seen that nice low cpu use number
[05:26:09] clever: i think i had that at one point
[05:26:21] clever: but it was hard to see anything because i had half a distro installed
[05:26:31] clever: and then bad blocks started to appear in my root
[05:27:38] clever: when i redid it on my 'production' root, i was just getting 20–30% usage
[05:27:38] clever: (10% savings)
[05:27:55] clever: then i discovered that having the new libGL.so installed, would cause mythbackend to crash on any system without sse
[05:36:59] mzb_d800: hi all
[05:37:10] clever: hi one:)
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[05:37:11] mzb_d800: just in the process of building a new MBE+SBE setup
[05:37:15] clever: nice
[05:37:16] mzb_d800: ;)
[05:37:29] clever: i noticed that ive got 300gig of recordings
[05:37:33] clever: and 500gig on the main drive
[05:37:47] mzb_d800: hmm ... I'm one of justinh's "file squirrels" )
[05:37:51] mzb_d800: moved all the recordings, transferred the tables over ...
[05:37:58] mzb_d800: but having trouble finding a few things
[05:38:10] mzb_d800: where are the settings for the bitrate of the transcoder
[05:38:13] mzb_d800: ?
[05:38:18] clever: why the hell do i have my recordings spread over 5 drives then?
[05:38:29] mzb_d800: :) ... I've just gone to 7 ;)
[05:38:43] mzb_d800: 160 + 500 + 500 + 750 + 120 + 120 + 250
[05:38:46] mzb_d800: *sigh*
[05:39:03] clever: ive never cleared my database
[05:39:09] clever: i just moved the entire db dir from host to host
[05:39:22] mzb_d800: me neither ... but now it's time for a clean
[05:39:27] mzb_d800: looking better already
[05:39:39] mzb_d800: but I still can't find the transcoder settings
[05:39:42] clever: im currently working on musical chairs with all my files
[05:39:54] clever: trying to push 300gig of recordings into a drive with 2gig of free space
[05:40:03] mzb_d800: I modified High Quality to be lossless ... that's easy enough
[05:40:06] clever: move ~2gig of recordings, move misc videos, repeat
[05:40:27] mzb_d800: but Medium Quality I changed to mpeg4 with a bitrate of around 4400 (I think) ... where can I find it in the db?
[05:40:29] mzb_d800: _OR_
[05:40:45] mzb_d800: how can I find out the video bitrate of an nuv file?
[05:41:02] clever: i made an sql query to show the bitrate of every recording
[05:41:05] clever: and sort them by that
[05:41:17] mzb_d800: err ... yeah ... so where's that bitrate?
[05:41:23] mzb_d800: in recorded?
[05:41:32] clever: i calculate it based on the filesize in recorded and the mark in recordedseek
[05:41:33] mzb_d800: or are you probing the actual file?
[05:41:39] mzb_d800: ah
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[05:41:52] clever: max(mark) is the lenght in seconds(missing for half the files)
[05:41:53] clever: then basic math
[05:41:55] mzb_d800: I guess I could just work out size/time
[05:42:18] mzb_d800: *except* that I'm not convinced that the times are accurate ;)
[05:42:34] kormoc: the max mark isn't going to be the actual length most of the time
[05:42:52] clever: kormoc: its general close enough, if it exists at all
[05:42:56] mzb_d800: ah well ... thanks for the hint ... I'll have a go at it now (need to get this all back up and running before WAF--- rains on me;)
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[05:43:01] clever: my bigger problem was when the seek table got merged into the files
[05:43:10] clever: recorded needs a lenght column
[05:43:35] clever: so i can just select title from recorded order by filesize/lenght;
[05:43:56] iamlindoro__: OK, quick point of info before I go to bed, Chutt/ Greyfoxx/ anduin... Increasing shared memory to the IGP from 256 MB to 512 fixed VDPAU
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[05:44:19] iamlindoro__: Playback now working properly, no more segfaults
[05:44:46] clever: i turned up my video memory on my desktop today(onboard crap) and now 2d performance is horid:P
[05:44:57] clever: i can watch the browser redraw as i scroll
[05:45:07] iamlindoro__: (Someone let gbee know if they see him before me)
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[05:46:48] Dr{Who}: Q. version .21 with mythweb i can download and play videos but its not streaming.... also is it possible to transcode that realtime to reduce it size? dont want to stream the full size recording.
[05:47:07] clever: A. 1: some video players can treat a download as a stream, 2: theres a flash player thingy which transcodes for you, 3: #mythtv-users
[05:48:41] sphery: SirFunk_: (since I won't be watching for when/if he joins), really, no, about the closest you can get is: wget 'https://<hostname>/mythweb/tv/recorded? . . . =1227929400'
[05:50:10] kormoc: clever, this *IS* #mythtv-users
[05:50:21] mzb_d800: hmm ... ok I'm confused
[05:50:21] clever: kormoc: was repeating the answer i gave him in #mythtv
[05:51:13] mzb_d800: I have for example Pocoyo ... a 7 min recording is 50MB (animation so compresses well)
[05:51:29] sphery: ya know, if you answerin #mythtv, what's the motivation for them to join/ask in the correct channel?
[05:51:36] mzb_d800: (7mins and 9 secs if you must;)
[05:52:29] mzb_d800: ok experts, where is the setting in the db for the bitrate for a particular (mpeg4) trancoding profile?
[05:53:43] Dr{Who}: wmp seems to be trying to download the entire file
[05:53:45] sphery: ya know, they make a GUI for changing transcoding profiles
[05:54:01] kormoc: Dr{Who}, did you click asx streaming?
[05:54:13] Dr{Who}: ya tcpdump shows it being transfered
[05:54:25] kormoc: is the format streamable?
[05:54:26] Dr{Who}: but its not showing up yet just "connecting"
[05:54:53] mzb_d800: sphery: yeah I noticed that, thanks ... what I'm trying to do is copy the setting for a particular profile from an old db to a new setup
[05:54:57] Dr{Who}: it should be mpeg2 i have a hardware compression device. the hauppauge 1950
[05:55:37] Dr{Who}: maybe i need a codec.. cant tell if its just not rendering or if its just still downloading it.. I suppose after an hour i will know.
[05:55:56] mzb_d800: At this rate I can see I'm going to have to restore the old setup just to get some of the settings from the screen :|
[05:56:15] ** clever looks **
[05:56:33] clever: mzb_d800: recordingprofiles
[05:57:09] mzb_d800: thanks clever, looked there ... no bitrates
[05:57:11] clever: mzb_d800: and profilegroups
[05:57:14] mzb_d800: ah
[05:57:26] clever: thats the general area
[05:57:29] mzb_d800: nope
[05:57:30] mzb_d800: yeah
[05:57:36] clever: i think those tables point to rows in other ones
[05:57:43] mzb_d800: I agree ... but still can't find bitrates
[05:57:52] clever: let me grep the db backup for a bitrate
[05:58:06] sphery: mzb_d800: The closest I'll give you (since I don't want to encourage DB hacking) is: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/81984#81984
[05:58:12] sphery: transcoding profiles are done similarly.
[05:58:44] clever: sphery: i think he wants to extract the numbers from the old config, to feed normaly into the new setup
[05:58:49] mzb_d800: I'm not intending to hack (that's another matter) ... I merely want to find the setting
[05:58:50] sphery: (Since you're just trying to get info from the DB, you can take that SQL and modify it to select the info for the transcoding profiles.)
[05:58:53] mzb_d800: yes ... thanks clever
[06:00:10] sphery: yeah, I realize he's not hacking it, but a) I don't feel like figuring out the required changes to get the info he wants and b) by giving him a starting point and letting him work through it, it will prevent 99.9999% of casual readers from getting any ideas (i.e. they won't go to the effort of figuring it out themselves :)
[06:00:24] mzb_d800: :)
[06:00:46] sphery: should be straightforward to modify that query to work for the transcoding profiles
[06:00:49] mzb_d800: ok .. well on that point it's easier to restore the former MBE and startup one of the (yet converted) FE's
[06:00:56] mzb_d800: but thanks anyway
[06:01:20] sphery: and, if you're doing lots of backups/restores ;), may I recommend: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Database_Backup_and_Restore
[06:01:28] sphery: feedback appreciated
[06:01:55] mzb_d800: I do a compressed dump when I feel the need
[06:02:10] mzb_d800: (by script)
[06:02:12] sphery: those scripts work with compressed files
[06:02:17] sphery: and can be run by scripts
[06:02:27] sphery: or just run with mythconverg_backup.pl
[06:02:30] mzb_d800: I have my own
[06:03:01] mzb_d800: (I didn't like the available options at the time)
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[06:04:29] mzb_d800: heh ... neat trick ... two mythtv systems (separate db's and MBE's) with the same data+recordings ... woohoo
[06:04:45] mzb_d800: except one of the systems doesn't have tuners ;) ... ah well ;)
[06:05:32] mzb_d800: hmm 3000 was the answer I was looking for ;)
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[06:06:29] mzb_d800: codecparams: codecparams
[06:06:30] SirFunk_: is there any easy way to delete a show from my mythtv database from the command line?
[06:06:39] mzb_d800: thanks all ... now I can move on! ;)
[06:06:54] kormoc: <sphery> SirFunk_: (since I won't be watching for when/if he joins), really, no, about the closest you can get is: wget 'https://<hostname>/mythweb/tv/recorded? . . . =1227929400'
[06:07:55] clever: i would expect all hell to break loose if you delete anything from either end:P
[06:07:59] clever: ahhh thats the table it was hidden in!
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[06:10:56] SirFunk_: hmmm
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[06:11:30] SirFunk: i suppose that would work, kinda hack-ish though
[06:11:51] kormoc: could write a script with the perl bindings
[06:13:34] SirFunk: there's a perl interface for mythtv?
[06:14:25] kormoc: yes, they install in the site_perl dir
[06:14:33] SirFunk: ohh.. i am handy with perl
[06:14:37] SirFunk: is there docs?
[06:14:43] kormoc: not really
[06:14:49] SirFunk: doh
[06:14:54] SirFunk: maybe i'll just use wget :-P
[06:14:56] SirFunk: seems simpler
[06:15:31] SirFunk: (big picture) trying to write a script to cut commercials/encode to x264/and move to a certain folder/file structure
[06:15:50] kormoc: and nuvexport doesn't do what part of that?
[06:16:54] mzb_d800: err... clever that was supposed to be codecparams: mpeg4bitrate
[06:17:00] tank-man: why delete from the command line? just let the expire and delete themselves
[06:17:20] sphery: with the bindings, you could get a list of recordings, but to delete a recording, you'd have to issue a backend command to do the delete
[06:17:24] mzb_d800: (with associated profile)
[06:17:27] clever: mzb_d800: yeah the row that you want depends on the codec
[06:17:32] mzb_d800: yep
[06:17:43] sphery: kormoc: and thanks for passing on my earlier response
[06:17:54] kormoc: sphery, but fairly easy to add to the bindings and submit a patch upstream :)
[06:18:00] SirFunk: kormoc: uhm... idk i thought i read nuvexport doesn't work period anymore?
[06:18:11] kormoc: SirFunk, donno who told you that
[06:18:18] sphery: kormoc: but the bindings make it fairly easy to issue a backend command :)
[06:18:25] SirFunk: curses i wrote this big script... :-P let me look at nuvexport again
[06:18:27] kormoc: sphery, indeed :P
[06:18:46] kormoc: SirFunk, now granted, it won't delete from the db, but the rest of it, it should handle just fine
[06:19:04] sphery: SirFunk: old nuvexport versions won't work with new MythTV--i.e. you probably read someone's blog where they had an old nuvexport and didn't update it when they upgraded Myth
[06:20:09] SirFunk: i think part of the problem is... nuvexport is through the gui right?
[06:20:16] sphery: nope
[06:20:17] kormoc: SirFunk, no?
[06:20:18] sphery: perl script
[06:20:26] SirFunk: hmm
[06:20:28] sphery: (that uses the bindings :)
[06:20:42] kormoc: SirFunk, it has a text menu system, but you can just use command line params to skip the text menu
[06:20:51] SirFunk: the wiki seems to be talking about using the gui to set cutpoints and the bitrate and such
[06:22:06] sphery: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Nuvexport ???
[06:23:01] SirFunk: yeah idk, i probably misread
[06:23:11] SirFunk: it's late.. and i'm skimming and working on homework :-)
[06:23:37] sphery: cutpoints are probably set using the mythfrontend recording editor, but bitrate and such should be specifiable to the script
[06:23:58] sphery: (only the internal mythtranscode stuff uses the bitrate specified in transcoding profiles)
[06:24:37] sphery: but, I don't know how you can accurately and precisely specify cutpoints without using a GUI
[06:25:08] sphery: (acutally, it's more the determining where to place the cutpoint that requires the GUI)
[06:25:22] SirFunk: interesting
[06:25:30] SirFunk: i'm exporting now, lets see how it goes
[06:25:46] SirFunk: hmm.. seems to be stuck on 0 frames
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[06:33:29] SirFunk: ooo ffmpeg had critical errors :(
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[06:48:44] t0ny-p40: I'm getting a lot of glitches from my firewire cable box. Like this. http://dl-client.getdropbox.com/u/30726/glitch.jpg
[06:49:18] t0ny-p40: I can go a few shows without it happening then like right now it happens a few times per minute.
[06:50:19] wagnerrp: hell, i get that over analog cable on my TV
[06:50:42] wagnerrp: and every so often over QAM
[06:51:22] t0ny-p40: I'm getting it a LOT right now. :/
[06:51:51] t0ny-p40: My system is not doing too much, only active processes are mythbackend and frontend.
[06:52:13] t0ny-p40: So you think its something other then my system doing it?
[06:52:59] wagnerrp: its very possible the cableco is to blame
[06:53:05] wagnerrp: or it could be your tuner
[06:53:20] wagnerrp: or it could be your firewire adapter
[06:53:25] wagnerrp: or your system could be hosed
[06:53:35] t0ny-p40: Wait it si my system. 2008-11–28 23:53:24.508 NVP: prebuffering pause
[06:54:44] clever: t0ny-p40: yeah i get that on raw analog too, even with the computer totaly out of the loop
[06:55:03] clever: its sat problems back at the root office where they convert the digital->analog
[06:55:12] wagnerrp: FX does it a lot
[06:56:05] t0ny-p40: Weird.
[06:56:33] clever: it depends on the weather back at the root office
[06:56:36] t0ny-p40: lol its not happening at all during the ads.
[06:57:04] clever: the ad's may be inserted localy from a 'reel'
[06:57:44] clever: they splice those in horidly here
[06:57:54] clever: i get 1 second of a comerical
[06:57:58] clever: then it splices over
[06:58:00] clever: 1 more second
[06:58:04] clever: then another splice!
[06:58:09] t0ny-p40: I get that to sometimes.
[06:58:10] clever: then a comercial about rogers
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[07:01:29] t0ny-p40: Wow, I'm only using about 70–80% of my cpu playing 1080 :)
[07:02:10] t0ny-p40: And my cpu is only 1.9Ghz
[07:06:30] t0ny-p40: Another show is on and not a single glich.
[07:07:02] t0ny-p40: How can I tell if it is 1080i or p?
[07:07:12] t0ny-p40: VO: [null] 1920x1080 => 1920x1080 Mpeg PES
[07:07:38] wagnerrp: you dont
[07:07:43] ruskie: hmm where could I find documentation on how mythgame(non indepth and indepth)/mythvideo/mythmusic do the media scans
[07:07:55] wagnerrp: you simply divine the fact that it is interlaced, from voices in the either
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[07:32:06] wagnerrp: t0ny-p40: by the way, US 1080 broadcasts are all interlaced
[07:32:26] wagnerrp: ATSC supports 1080p, but no one uses it
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[09:27:24] senorzorro: hello, has anyone had issues with installer today? since some patches came through, i'm getting "no UPnP backend found"? anyone else having this issue?
[09:28:53] laga: what's the installer?
[09:29:20] laga: and what patches?
[09:30:10] senorzorro: standard security updates, about 20 of them
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[11:03:38] pheld: any tricks to get mythtv to identify h.264 correctly? (not mpeg1/2) The mythtv binary sits waiting for data (NVP: Waiting for prebuffer) while readingf from a h.264-file in which it obiously won't find any mpeg1/2 data.
[11:04:11] firestorm1: Hi there. Does Linux allow a VGA-output port on a laptop to be automatically enabled when in X11? I am finding that I need to reboot for it to be picked up. Thoughts?
[11:06:14] gbee: pheld: should recognise it automatically
[11:07:11] pheld: AFD: Stream #2, has id 0x513 codec id MPEG1VIDEO, type Video, bitrate 0 at 0x0x823f590
[11:07:30] gbee: pheld: what's the source of this stream?
[11:08:01] pheld: then a few lines further: AFD: InitVideoCodec() 0x8261f40 id(MPEGVIDEO_VDPAU) type (Video)
[11:08:09] pheld: source is DVB-S2
[11:08:17] gbee: no, I mean what channel?
[11:08:27] pheld: with or without vdpau and s2api pacthes doens't matter
[11:08:53] pheld: eurosport/historyHD/DiscoveryHD
[11:09:08] gbee: trunk?
[11:09:16] pheld: yes
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[11:09:29] pheld: but it's been like this for a while
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[11:10:01] pheld: at least a couple months since I first tried to get myth to play HD
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[11:10:16] gbee: hmm, no idea, it's able to correctly identify every h.264 file I've ever thrown at it except for stuff from ITV HD where the video stream is deliberately masked as data/mpeg1 to prevent direct tuning
[11:10:18] luke0512: hello @all
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[11:10:55] gbee: that includes DVB-S here in the UK
[11:10:57] luke0512: somebody here who can gimme some help for installing and setup mythbackend on centos?
[11:12:23] pheld: ffplay otoh can just be pointed at the dvb-device when tuned by szap-s2 and it plays. mplayer needs to be forced to use the lavf demuxer, otherwise it plays with libavcodec or nvidia vdpay codecs
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[11:13:31] gbee: pheld: can you make samples available so we can debug and fix?
[11:14:04] pheld: sure. hang on
[11:18:56] gbee: pheld: not promising instant results, janneg or danielk will probably need to take a look
[11:22:07] GlemSom: Can I activate subtitles over DVB in MythTV? I cannot seem to find an option for it?
[11:22:56] pheld: gbee: can produce short samples (~20MB) . uploading to filebin if that's ok for you?
[11:23:00] gbee: GlemSom: yes, OSD menu
[11:23:30] gbee: GlemSom: if you want them automatically shown all the time, the option exists somewhere in the TV settings, I can't remember where though
[11:23:34] GlemSom: gbee, I do not have such an option... ? Maybe my provider used teletext or something..
[11:23:36] gbee: pheld: that's fine
[11:23:58] gbee: GlemSom: teletext subtitles are normally supported too
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[11:25:26] gbee: options depending on available subtitle types would be "Select Subtitle" or "Toggle Teletext Captions"
[11:25:51] gbee: appear after the "Select Audio Track" item
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[11:27:54] gbee: GlemSom: T would normally toggle subtitles on/off
[11:28:40] gbee: may be that your provider is using a format we don't recognise, if you can find details then it might be worth mentioning on the -dev list
[11:35:01] Deception1: bye
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[11:36:43] GlemSom: gbee, Ohh, you're right.. "t" seems to toogle it.. though, I do not have the option to enable subtitles from the OSD menu... Maybe because there's only 1 subtitle stream avabile?
[11:37:08] gbee: should still be displayed
[11:38:54] GlemSom: hmm, might it be because I've choosen MyhtTV to be Danish then...
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[11:43:43] clever: could be a prob with the danish trans of the theme&stuff
[11:45:32] gbee: should still be displayed, but may be translated incorrectly so that you don't recognise it ... or it could be a bug
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[11:49:05] pheld: gbee: uploading 20M capture samples for the 4 HD channels I've got a subscription for. filebin is slow so it'll take a while. Maybe I should drop a summary of my findings with filebin-links to the dev-list when I'm done?
[11:51:00] gbee: pheld: that would be great, thanks
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[12:11:58] yfaykya: gbee: Can you post your BBC HD line from the db?
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[12:17:46] gbee: the channel table?
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[12:20:56] gbee: yfaykya: ?
[12:21:22] gbee: http://pastebin.ca/1270145 if that's what you wanted
[12:26:35] yfaykya: gbee: was looking for the dtv_multiplex entry
[12:26:44] gbee: ahh
[12:27:40] yfaykya: just to make sure I have it right. mplayer plays sound with mplayer – < /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 but after about 2–3 mins! And no video at all. Internal player just chokes
[12:27:44] gbee: http://pastebin.ca/1270152
[12:28:05] gbee: yfaykya: did you mention what cpu the other day?
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[12:32:04] yfaykya: hmm. We have different freqs
[12:32:04] yfaykya: and polaritys..
[12:32:04] yfaykya: thanks for that
[12:34:10] yfaykya: I have a 4300 o/c to 2.4Ghz
[12:34:37] gbee: ok that's fine, just checking
[12:34:45] yfaykya: I am gonna do a -v playback
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[12:40:39] dustybin: anybody know of a tool what can make a fresh new .iso container?
[12:41:41] yfaykya: http://pastebin.ca/1270158
[12:41:42] yfaykya: Saw a "using 1 CPU" bit in there..
[12:43:30] yfaykya: gbee: I changed to cpu++ and it sort of worked. I will play with my video settings. PS. When is the settings but due a mythui overhaul
[12:43:31] yfaykya: ?
[12:43:54] yfaykya: You need tab on the video playback settings screen which means my remote does not work
[12:48:55] GlemSom: I would like to switch MythTV back to english... But I cannot seem to find an option for setting language? (Like I got the first time I started mythtv-setup)
[12:56:51] GreyFoxx: mythfrontend -O Language=EN
[12:57:20] GreyFoxx: Then you can search for the option :)
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[13:16:13] pheld: yfaykya: have you tried "-demuxer lavf" in mplayer for HD content?
[13:17:03] pheld: the default demux seems to fail to identify some h.264 streams
[13:22:13] iamlindoro: not going to help as he's trying to watch television...
[13:23:24] pheld: wasn't he trying to watch with "mplayer – < /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0"
[13:23:59] iamlindoro: not on the pastebin he just posted
[13:24:44] pheld: ahh. missed that.
[13:25:13] pheld: struggeling with getting myth to handle h.264 myself
[13:32:44] dustybin: i wish mythweb mythvideo would update itself when you press 'Scan Collection', instead one has to first scan the video collection on the frontend..
[13:39:22] yfaykya: pheld : http://www.pastebin.ca/1270183
[13:39:33] yfaykya: No look with -demuxer lavf
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[13:40:37] yfaykya: s/look/luck/
[13:40:47] yfaykya: although both are apt ;-)
[13:40:56] pheld: it still thinks it is mpeg1. shouldn't this be h.264?
[13:41:37] yfaykya: yes
[13:41:53] pheld: in that case could you try to also add "-vc ffh264" on the commandline?
[13:42:51] yfaykya: no joy
[13:42:58] yfaykya: cannot sync MAD frame
[13:43:48] yfaykya: oh and : Video: no video
[13:49:09] pheld: could you grab a bit of the stream and put it on filebin or something? (head --bytes=20M /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 > samplefile)
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[13:50:48] iamlindoro: If this is Freesat, might as well stop right now
[13:51:23] pheld: btw, have you tried "ffplay /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0" ?
[13:51:29] iamlindoro: At least one HD channel on Freesat is known to identify itself as MPEG-1 codec type rather than h.264, these may be the same
[13:52:36] iamlindoro: Problem being the streams, not Myth
[13:52:50] pheld: makes sense. the demux in mplayer does afik not give you the ability to override stream type, only select between multiple codecs when there is more than one available
[13:53:42] iamlindoro: You can read up on the problem in the ITV HD trac ticke if interested
[13:53:43] pheld: does myth use the demux from libavcodec?
[13:53:46] iamlindoro: er trac ticket
[13:53:52] dustybin: what aspect ratio fills a 16:9 widescreen up properly with no black bars, 2.35:1, 1.85:1, 1.78:1 or 1.33:1?
[13:53:52] iamlindoro: libavformat, yes.
[13:53:57] pheld: ;)
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[13:54:44] iamlindoro: 1.78:1
[13:54:49] pheld: strange, my problem is that mplayer and ffmpeg are able to use H.264 channels, but myth thinks it is mpeg1/2
[13:55:01] dustybin: why the hell dont they record all films with the 1.78:1 ?
[13:55:39] iamlindoro: Because 2.35:1 is much much nicer
[13:55:55] dustybin: iamlindoro: does that mean black bars?
[13:56:06] iamlindoro: It does on a 16:9 screen
[13:56:13] dustybin: well, its not nice at all!
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[13:56:37] iamlindoro: The better question is "whose idiot idea was it to use 16:9 for HDTV when 2.35:1 has been around for 75 years"
[13:56:38] dustybin: surely cinemas look pretty good in 1.78:1 ration?
[13:56:48] dustybin: hmm
[13:56:48] iamlindoro: Cinemas aren't in 1.78
[13:56:52] dustybin: oh
[13:57:41] pheld: ideally all recordings should be 180-degreee panorama with infinite resolution ;)
[13:58:20] pheld: then just pick and render the appropriate piece for the presentation medium
[13:59:23] iamlindoro: That's just pan and scan... which is usually not a pretty thing
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[14:08:26] pheld: what's up with channel-zapping in myth-trunk?
[14:08:49] pheld: can select channel by number or from the prog-guide
[14:09:41] pheld: but browsing with up/dn+enter only makes it tuned to some def channel which isn't even configured visible
[14:15:56] dustybin: if you got more than 1 PXE netbooting machines on your network, how can you get a particular machine use a certain image?
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[14:21:41] iamlindoro: Give the second machine a different boot image filename. I'm guessing from that question you haven't set up the *first* net boot yet.
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[14:34:13] AndyCap: /tftpboot/pxelinux.cfg/macaddress files for the config. unless myth has something already packaged
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[14:39:15] dustybin: thanks :)
[14:55:27] yfaykya: pheld: I put a sample at www.skynet.ie/~shabba/samplefile but it is freesat so that maybe the problem. Although myth did a show a frame or 2 of it earlier
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[15:05:23] iamlindoro__: Heh, the PS3 is the "fastest" Blu-ray player, at 42 seconds to play a film.
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[15:22:45] pheld: yfaykya: your samplefile plays back just fine on my system with "ffplay" or "mplayer -demuxer lavf"
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[15:24:23] pheld: mplayer without the lavf demuxer thinks it is mpeg2 and fails, as does my myth built from svn-trunk
[15:25:15] pheld: looks like the same problem I've got
[15:30:30] pheld: need to check how old the libs in mythtv are. It should use the demuxer from libavformat so the solution may be as simple as to merge in a more recent version of the external libs in myth.
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[15:35:59] yfaykya: great to know someone else in same boat ;-)
[15:36:03] yfaykya: pheld : thx
[15:39:12] iamlindoro__: Myth has its own versions of the libavformat TS and PS demuxers. If you use the ones from ffmpeg, you'll break myth. Changes need to be made by hand.
[15:39:45] iamlindoro__: Which is to say, they're different from any versions that have ever been in actual libavformat
[15:39:56] laga: pheld: there are ffmpeg merge trees out there.
[15:40:19] iamlindoro__: laga, Won't work, though (not with the TS/PS demuxer, anyway)
[15:40:29] iamlindoro__: s/demuxer/demuxers/
[15:40:45] iamlindoro__: Myth's are custom
[15:40:55] laga: ah
[15:41:20] iamlindoro__: That said, if there's a particular part of the libavformat ones that applies to the problem it could probably fairly simply be built into Myth's
[15:41:44] iamlindoro__: <-- was working on other demuxer stuff this week, so it's fresh in his mind.
[15:43:21] iamlindoro__: I still would assume that it's the same problem as with ITV HD, though, so it would be wise to look at the ticket/patch for that issue, as it's an identical problem
[15:43:53] iamlindoro__: ie "video stream misidentified as MPEG-1"
[15:45:41] iamlindoro__: namely, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5388
[15:58:00] pheld: iamlindoro__: thanks for the info. I wrongly assumed that the libs included with myth only were copies of a "known good revision" with no significant changes.
[15:58:31] iamlindoro__: pheld, You are absolutely right for the most part, there are just a couple that are modified, and the demuxers are among them
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[15:59:59] pheld: anyway, I've put up several h264 samples and sent a message to the dev-list so let's see if there's response to that
[16:01:16] pheld: yfaykya's sample could be added to my list
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[16:02:47] iamlindoro__: You need to test the ITV HD patch. If it works, then it's a known issue. Need to do your due diligence.
[16:04:02] pheld: iamlindoro__: do you know if the libavformat api has been changed in myth code? If not, it shouldn't be that hard to try to link agains a different version
[16:04:46] iamlindoro__: IIRC the version of libav* in Myth is the last with the old API. Some of the fixes afterwards are backported to it, too.
[16:07:47] pheld: yes, just read up on the API changes. it complicates things a tad
[16:08:30] iamlindoro__: I will say this one last time
[16:08:54] iamlindoro__: Do *not* try to do your own ffmpeg sync-- try the ITV HD patch and see if it helps. It is *very likely* that it is the same, known issue.
[16:09:28] pheld: doesn't work here.
[16:10:02] iamlindoro__: ok. Then I would open a bug and attach debug info, Janne can likely get to the bottom of it
[16:10:07] pheld: probably because ITV deliberately changes h264, while these channes do not afik
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[16:14:15] pheld: the ITV-patch is also very specific on PID and triggered by "pmt.StreamPID(i) == 3401 && type == StreamID::PrivData"
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[16:16:48] pheld: I'll change the patch to match my PID(s) and see what happens
[16:16:56] iamlindoro__: Good idea
[16:17:59] pheld: should of course work as this overrides any vformat-detection in the demux ;)
[16:18:19] pheld: we'll know in a few min
[16:19:31] dmz: hey y'all, i've noticed when ivtv loads it finds an fm tuner, is there any myth project to listen to fm radio through that tuner on any frontend?
[16:19:55] iamlindoro__: No.
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[16:21:19] Piper69: howdy
[16:21:33] a1fa: morning dmz
[16:21:34] a1fa: :P
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[16:33:40] wagnerrp: seems VDPAU does work on the PCI variety
[16:35:12] iamlindoro__: I'd be curious to know to what extent and what is any limitations
[16:35:40] iamlindoro__: er what if any
[16:35:45] wagnerrp: well on -users, they asked what resolution he was running
[16:35:49] wagnerrp: he responded with a blank email
[16:36:24] iamlindoro__: That guy has been known to make some exaggerated statements before w/r/t the Apple TV
[16:36:30] dmz: hey a1fa
[16:37:03] wagnerrp: i put together a new desktop for my uncle yesterday
[16:37:22] wagnerrp: it was a bit disappointing when i got all the parts home, started piecing everthing together
[16:37:34] wagnerrp: and the graphics card wouldnt fit in the pcie slot
[16:37:47] wagnerrp: i had accidentally grabbed pci
[16:40:43] RyeBrye: that sucks. Did the mobo have onboard video as a fallback option?
[16:41:27] RyeBrye: ... Anyone here recently been shopping for mid-sized HDTV's? I'm looking for a 37" TV to go upstairs as a secondary TV area – is it true that 720p vs 1080p really doesn't matter on 37" screens?
[16:41:33] laga: most modern motherboards still have PCI slots?
[16:41:50] RyeBrye: yes, that is true – most do have PCI slots... mine get used for tuners usually :)
[16:42:08] wagnerrp: no, but i had a spare 6200, old card from my frontend
[16:42:26] RyeBrye: does 1080i deinterlacing and scaling to a 720p in software (i.e. mythtv and xv or whatever) look good?
[16:43:20] wagnerrp: depending on your proximity to the TV, many people will not see beyond the resolution of 720p on a 37" TV
[16:44:49] wagnerrp: 720p is about the limit for me on a 26" from 10'
[16:48:19] RyeBrye: Yeah, my biggest concern really was if a 1080i signal would take more effort to display properly on a 720p system – my frontend will likely be on the weaker side of things. My source video for recordings will be ATSC recordings – the max bitrate I've seen is 18 MBps I think
[16:49:56] dmz: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Fm_radio ahh
[16:50:44] wagnerrp: do they make digital radio cards?
[16:51:08] wagnerrp: or would that just let those pirates get their dirty hands on our precious contents?
[16:51:29] iamlindoro__: Don't follow that howto unless you want to cause the tuner to stop working in myth
[16:51:58] RyeBrye: I have an extra PVR-500 I could dedicate one of the tuners to FM and just not set it up in the mythtv-setup as a card
[16:52:11] RyeBrye: well... by "one of" I mean "the tuner that does FM"
[16:52:38] RyeBrye: Right not it's just gathering dust. Of course, I don't really listen to FM radio unless I'm driving or something
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[17:29:52] whoever: hi all I'm using a hauggpaug 1600. Im trying to take the channles from the rca jacks on the cable box. my card has s-vidto , and white and red jackks do i set the input to s-video or set it to stmthin else?
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[17:36:01] d0netsFN: hey guys will a harmony remote work with the pvr 150?
[17:36:06] d0netsFN: with the ir blaster and everything
[17:37:32] pheld: iamlindoro__: the ITV-patch doesn't seem to apply at all to my problem. I've tried to set breakpoints in the function that is patched and it is never executed when trying to play the troublesome clips. Have to delay further debugging till tomorrow.
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[17:53:28] fuxxy_: d0netsFN, don't concern yourself with the blaster yet. the remote doesn't have anything to do with that. I'm not familliar with the Harmony, but as long as it's the same frequency as your'e reciever, it *should* work.
[17:53:52] fuxxy_: d0netsFN, although, in my experience, I hated the PVR150's IR reciever.
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[17:58:47] d0netsFN: oh really?
[17:58:53] d0netsFN: do you recommend a better card
[17:59:17] d0netsFN: i want to watch and record my direct tv STB
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[17:59:22] d0netsFN: its non HD
[18:00:10] fuxxy_: the PVR150 is fine for analog
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[18:00:58] fuxxy_: I got an mceusb2 ir reciever, and havent looked back. The Hauppauge remote ir reciever was extremely slow and didn't always catch the signals from the remote.
[18:01:21] d0netsFN: bleh i hate that
[18:01:45] d0netsFN: thtas one thing im trying to get rid of
[18:02:00] d0netsFN: i hate how slow my satellite's STB software is
[18:02:37] fuxxy_: Nothing you can really do about that, except trade it in for an upgraded box?
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[18:05:47] wagnerrp: i would say the hauppauge receiver may have some lag to it
[18:05:55] wagnerrp: but it never has reception problems
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[18:06:06] d0netsFN: mceusb2
[18:06:10] d0netsFN: you said i can replace it with that?
[18:06:10] wagnerrp: of course that may be because the harmony is a beast of a transmitter
[18:06:22] wagnerrp: you have an mceusb2 receiver currently?
[18:06:28] d0netsFN: no
[18:06:30] d0netsFN: but
[18:06:37] d0netsFN: im considering now to not get the mce bundle it
[18:06:38] d0netsFN: kit*
[18:06:39] whoever: hi all I'm tring to fetch channles to take the output off a settop box but im recieveing the live up. when i try to watch all i get is a black screen with no sound
[18:06:48] d0netsFN: im considering just getting the card oem, them a harmony
[18:06:51] d0netsFN: and a nicer reciever
[18:06:58] d0netsFN: thats all i need right?
[18:07:15] wagnerrp: if youre using an STB, you need the transmitter too
[18:07:26] d0netsFN: the ir blaster?
[18:07:30] d0netsFN: is that "mceusb2"
[18:07:30] wagnerrp: correct
[18:07:48] d0netsFN: ?
[18:07:52] wagnerrp: the mceusb2 has two jacks on either side to connect remote blasters
[18:08:00] wagnerrp: but it usually only comes with one of them
[18:08:26] d0netsFN: im still confused
[18:08:28] d0netsFN: sorry
[18:08:41] wagnerrp: the mceusb2 is just a little box, usb attached, with an IR receiver
[18:08:52] ratman: Hello all. Anyone have experience with the hauppauge 1212?
[18:08:57] d0netsFN: ok wait
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[18:09:02] d0netsFN: thats the reciever for the harmoney remote?
[18:09:14] wagnerrp: thats the receiver for the MCE remote
[18:09:21] d0netsFN: then you connect the blaster to send signals out?
[18:09:41] wagnerrp: it has two 1/8" jacks on either side that you can connect IR blasters to
[18:09:50] wagnerrp: the bundle usually comes with one of those
[18:09:58] d0netsFN: right
[18:10:03] d0netsFN: that was my question
[18:10:17] wagnerrp: the harmony can emulate ANY consumer IR remote
[18:10:21] wagnerrp: including the MCE remote
[18:10:28] d0netsFN: if i dont get the bundle
[18:10:36] d0netsFN: what all components do i need to buy
[18:10:53] wagnerrp: hopefully, just the MCEUSB2
[18:11:02] wagnerrp: it should come with the receiver, a remote, and a blaster
[18:11:24] d0netsFN: no
[18:11:27] d0netsFN: if i DONT
[18:11:29] d0netsFN: get the bundle
[18:11:46] d0netsFN: because i would like to get the harmony remote instead of buying the bundle and using the standard remote
[18:12:18] wagnerrp: every so often i come across a receiver for sale independently, i have only ever seen it with the remote
[18:12:27] wagnerrp: the receiver is no good without a remote
[18:12:37] wagnerrp: and most people cannot be trusted to buy their own remote for such things
[18:13:13] wagnerrp: usually, you have to get them bundled with tuner cards or computers
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[18:15:00] wagnerrp: currently, this is the only one i can find on newegg
[18:15:20] wagnerrp: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815144019
[18:15:23] wagnerrp: and its out of stock
[18:16:57] fuxxy_: wagnerrp, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16880121004
[18:17:02] wagnerrp: i presume thats the standard mceusb2, just rebranded
[18:17:15] fuxxy_: I'm sure it is also.
[18:17:24] fuxxy_: you can build your own blaster cable, I did.
[18:17:37] fuxxy_: the hard part is attaching it to the device you're trying to control
[18:17:51] dashcloud: I have 2 schedules direct lineups: satellite (directv) and my local lineup (what directv carries). Is there any way to tie both lineups to my s-video input, so that I can access every channel I get without needing to change video inputs?
[18:17:51] wagnerrp: fuxxy_: i was talking about the pinnacle one i linked to, actually
[18:18:14] wagnerrp: but yes, yours has no blasters, or any way to connect blasters
[18:18:20] wagnerrp: so its pretty much worthless for him
[18:18:50] d0netsFN: so i cant get this
[18:18:51] d0netsFN: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searc . . . CjCVRqCjCVRq
[18:19:06] d0netsFN: and use an oem card
[18:19:13] fuxxy_: wagnerrp, mmm, didn't see that
[18:19:30] wagnerrp: sure, should work fine, but dont quote me on that one
[18:19:46] wagnerrp: d0netsFN: the remote is completely independent of the tuner card
[18:20:23] wagnerrp: i am presuming that is just a standard mceusb2, rebranded
[18:21:41] wagnerrp: the remote controls mythtv, mythtv controls the tuner cards, the remote has no direct interaction with the tuner cards
[18:22:06] wagnerrp: so there is no reason to have to get a receiver with your tuner card
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[18:22:16] fuxxy_: Here here!
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[18:22:56] wagnerrp: however its typically cheaper to get the hauppauge mce, than to separately get a hauppauge retail and an mce receiver
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[18:24:26] mortal1: hello all. My recorder card outputs mpeg2 video, can I just burn this straight to a dvd and have it play in a dvd player?
[18:25:33] wagnerrp: mortal1: no, you have to have it mastered by a dvd-video burning software
[18:25:55] wagnerrp: the video does not need to be re-encoded, but it does have to be modified
[18:26:15] wagnerrp: and packaged with a bunch of descriptor files
[18:26:18] Huijari: are there any downsides in using xfs as opposed to ext3 on my recording partition if i'm not going to shrink the partition?
[18:26:46] wagnerrp: xfs keeps a lot of data in memory
[18:26:52] wagnerrp: its very asynchronous
[18:27:11] wagnerrp: so it does not handle crashes/power-loss well
[18:28:10] Dagmar: No filesystems do, tho
[18:28:10] Huijari: ok, thanks, i think i'll stay in ext3 then :)
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[18:28:23] Huijari: "slow" deletion hasn't been an issue
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[18:32:58] wagnerrp: we use XFS liberally at work
[18:33:26] wagnerrp: there was a stretch about a year ago when the experimental guys down the road kept tanking the power for the entire facility
[18:33:55] wagnerrp: power loss once every day or so, on about a hundred disks, powering 800 machines
[18:33:58] directhex: we use XFS liberally, but we have a support contract from SGI on about a million quid of kit
[18:34:24] wagnerrp: the only data loss we suffered was /usr/bin getting tainted on the NFS root for the nodes
[18:34:44] wagnerrp: it wasnt even lost, just marked 'bad' by the file system
[18:34:55] wagnerrp: running some recovery program cleaned it up without any issue
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[18:36:35] wagnerrp: damned media card readers
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[18:36:52] wagnerrp: i forgot to disconnect it on my uncles old computer before reinstalling windows
[18:37:11] wagnerrp: so windows decided to install itself to the I: drive
[18:38:04] directhex: yay windows :)
[18:38:39] wagnerrp: so i try to install the network drivers
[18:38:48] wagnerrp: the executable is pre-programmed to extract to C:\
[18:39:03] wagnerrp: and there is no card in the 'C' bay
[18:39:11] wagnerrp: so it outright refuses to do anything
[18:39:28] wagnerrp: of course you cant unmount and remount the rootfs on windows
[18:39:35] wagnerrp: so i have no choice to install a second time
[18:41:24] directhex: yay windows :)
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[18:51:29] wagnerrp: oof...
[18:51:47] wagnerrp: seems godaddy is offering 99c domains
[18:52:02] wagnerrp: but if you try to renew with that code, it tacks on another $2 to the price
[18:52:28] directhex: 3 bucks matters?
[18:53:05] wagnerrp: the standard renewal is $8, if you apply the $0.99 promo code, the renewal now shows up as $10
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[18:54:34] wagnerrp: not that $8 or $10/yr is any big expense either
[18:54:42] wagnerrp: they just have foiled my scheming
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[19:21:53] hume: hi... I have a problem with channels that have their subtiltes from teletext (I believe that is the word – we call it text-tv in Sweden) – the text font is way to big – anyone can help me with how to adjust it?
[19:22:14] mortal1: http://rafb.net/p/Wr1rnv70.html <-- could anyone tell me why dvdauthor is failing to properly format my mpg2 from my pvr 250?
[19:24:32] mortal1: grr
[19:24:49] mortal1: the mpeg vid needs to be replexed or something
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[19:26:55] wagnerrp: the authoring program should remultiplex the video on its own
[19:27:06] wagnerrp: or else its of limited worth as an authoring program
[19:27:35] dashcloud: if you're really just using dvdauthor by itself, you'll need to provide a properly formatted video
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[19:28:20] wagnerrp: the output from the 250 needs to be in D1/half-D1 resolution
[19:29:06] wagnerrp: so 720x480, 704x408 or 352x480
[19:29:52] hume: anyone can help in setting subtitle fonts/sizes when using teletext? dvb
[19:30:13] wagnerrp: or quarter, 352x240
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[19:35:11] SirFunk: so... nuvexport isn't working for me.. i think ffmpeg dies
[19:35:15] SirFunk: how can i fix this?
[19:35:16] dashcloud: wagnerrp: does mythtv have an option to set the pvr-250 to dvd-compatible video?
[19:35:55] wagnerrp: dashcloud: go into the recording profiles, and make sure youre using one with video at one of those four resolutins
[19:36:01] wagnerrp: and audio at 480kHz
[19:36:05] wagnerrp: 48kHz
[19:36:31] wagnerrp: beyond that, its all going to be mpeg2 audio and video
[19:36:36] wagnerrp: both formats supported by DVD
[19:37:01] wagnerrp: it should be directly usable by any authoring software
[19:37:15] wagnerrp: presuming it is small enough to fit on disk
[19:40:16] directhex: hm. intel i7 chips are technically not terrible value
[19:40:33] directhex: but why does an entry level motherboard which doesn't even have a memory controller start at £200?
[19:40:59] ** kormoc blinks **
[19:41:05] wagnerrp: all the pins?
[19:41:06] kormoc: what in gods name are you looking at?
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[19:41:41] wagnerrp: there technically are no 'entry-level' i7 boards
[19:42:05] wagnerrp: since the only supporting chip at the moment is the X58
[19:42:08] directhex: wagnerrp, well, quite. but the prices are mind-boggling!
[19:42:39] wagnerrp: the entry level boards are only 2-way SLI
[19:42:52] kormoc: directhex, so you're bitching that a processor that's been released for less then a month has a price premium?
[19:43:09] kormoc: talk about wanting your cake and eating it too...
[19:43:30] whoever: wagnerrp: can you help? i am using a 1600 card using s-video and white and red to take my output off a cable box i fetched my channels but all i get is a black screen with no sound with channel line up when i try to watch tv
[19:44:10] directhex: kormoc, i'm bitching that only obsolete sockets are affordable
[19:44:23] wagnerrp: whoever: are you sure you told it to use the svideo input, rather than the digital tuner?
[19:44:53] wagnerrp: you should only get a black screen if you are accessing the digital tuner
[19:45:01] wagnerrp: otherwise you would get static, or some sort of error
[19:45:21] kormoc: directhex, wait a few months for production to scale up and they will be affordable... it's standard for how the industry works...
[19:45:42] whoever: wagnerrp: there are 2 s-videos when i go to input conectios i have tried both, the first one gives me a black screen , the second one gives maa gray screen
[19:46:14] wagnerrp: dont know what to tell you
[19:46:26] wagnerrp: ive never used a 1600, or the capture inputs on my 150s
[19:46:56] whoever: ok, thanks,
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[19:48:04] hume: ok... this is maybe a stupid question: how do I make fonts available t Mythtv? I am using ubuntu, got a bunch of foints available in gnome, but only freemono and freesans in myth
[19:49:17] sphery: available for what?
[19:49:33] wagnerrp: well at least the reference intel board is the only one that actually has four slots
[19:49:35] hume: subtitles
[19:49:36] sphery: available for a theme, just put the (proper) font name in the <font> definitions in the theme's XML file
[19:49:55] wagnerrp: the rest of the manus seem to have seen the pointlessness of that
[19:50:08] hume: sphery, I am trying to get teletext (dvb) subtitles to be less than very ugly
[19:50:17] sphery: for OSD-related stuff, you /must/ put the ttf file (or a link to the ttf file) in the Myth share directory (/usr/{,local/}share/mythtv/
[19:50:31] hume: ok
[19:50:36] sphery: (subtitles and caption fonts are "OSD-related stuff")
[19:51:13] hume: ok... you know also how to change size of the teletext subtitle? I seem not to be able and not find info about it on the web (so far)
[19:51:17] sphery: best bet, though, is to only use a /very/ small number of fonts--i.e. do /not/ put links to every single TTF on your system in the share dir
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[19:51:40] sphery: teletext subtitles, though, might be pictures (as opposed to "fonts"), if so you have no control over them
[19:52:14] sphery: if they're actually text-based subtitles, though, then you can't change the font size as it's specified by the standard/caption stream/...
[19:52:30] hume: sphery, i seem to be able to change from a serif (I guess freemono) to a sans (I guess free sans) at least
[19:52:43] sphery: only some standards (like EIA-708/ATSC subtitles, IIRC) allow changing font size (and then only if the app implements it)
[19:52:56] sphery: then it must be text-based
[19:53:39] hume: sphery, it is supplied through what we in sweden call text-tv.... does that make sense?
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[19:54:23] hume: this is for film channels, the other channels seem to provide the font directly (or ...??) – but TV1000 film is through this "text-tv"
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[19:55:30] sphery: hume: Though I don't recognize that name, it sounds like it's the one channel you get with text-based subtitle/caption info. The others use images.
[19:56:03] sphery: So, just add a link to the TTF of your choosing in the Myth share dir and you should be able to select that font (may have to restart the frontend to see the font in the select box)
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[19:56:21] hume: sphery, "text-tv" is that function where you aslo can read the news etc on the screen...is that tele-text in english?
[20:01:38] sphery: let me just say it's something we don't have here in the US (meaning I have no idea how it works :)
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[20:16:27] wagnerrp: who manages the mailing lists?
[20:16:44] iamlindoro__: C hutt does I think
[20:17:15] wagnerrp: they need to nix 'bram@antwerpen.be ', the listserv keeps spamming out failure to deliver messages
[20:17:26] AndyCap: sphery: no, you wasted it on closed captioning only. :)
[20:18:22] wagnerrp: well one delay, one failure message, per email to the list
[20:18:26] wagnerrp: i suppose thats not too bad
[20:18:33] Chutt: he's now set to 'nomail'
[20:18:38] Chutt: i assume you meant the users list
[20:18:41] wagnerrp: yes
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[20:28:01] sphery: AndyCap: wasted what on closed captioning only?
[20:28:15] AndyCap: VBI.
[20:28:31] sphery: Oh, yeah. Here in the US we did.
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[20:34:14] Dagmar: wagnerrp: There's a simple solution to this. A little magical username@[ip.ip.ip.ip] spoofing will probablly bypass the safety check and allow that bad mail agent to drown in it's own stupidity
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[20:37:02] wagnerrp: i like how the server is located at 'network.local'
[20:37:08] Dagmar: Think of it as a mercy killing.
[20:37:41] sphery: Well, one thing that Myth has taught me is that it's hard to fix people.
[20:37:52] Dagmar: This is why ya kill 'em.
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[20:38:52] sphery: I'm having a little issue with messed up people names in the DB.
[20:38:58] sphery: we have tons of dups.
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[20:45:47] iamlindoro__: Hrmph. Guess I'm the only one excited about it, and I don't even *get* ITV HD
[20:49:47] wagnerrp: and now weve got users with incorrect system clocks
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[20:52:10] wagnerrp: either that or Rod's outbound smtp took 80 minutes to pass on the email
[20:55:03] SirFunk: mythexport hasn't bene updated in 9 months?
[20:55:06] SirFunk: damn
[20:55:09] SirFunk: err. sorry nuvexport
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[21:08:33] xris: SirFunk: not much to change.
[21:08:38] xris: and the author has been busy.
[21:10:46] laga: damn author!
[21:10:59] kormoc: Yeah, who does he think he is...
[21:11:21] kormoc: I demand retribution!
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[21:12:00] whoever: has anyone takeen output from an STB? Im having trouble, all i get is a black screen with the lineup
[21:12:15] kormoc: I grab from dish (with a stb)
[21:12:27] whoever: kormoc: cable
[21:12:45] kormoc: no, I grab from dish network
[21:13:00] whoever: ok, can you hel, its probably the same process
[21:13:46] whoever: kormoc: i am using a hauppaug 1600 card I am using the s-vido and red and white jacks on the card
[21:13:48] kormoc: well, really, it's not much different from other setups other then the ir blasting, which is mainly specific to your devices
[21:14:34] whoever: im juht tryiny eo get channels to work (no usin a remote )
[21:14:47] whoever: just*
[21:15:40] kormoc: well, you might want to see if there's a myth channel for your first language, that might make things a bit easier for you to get answers to your questions
[21:16:17] whoever: wel my firstlanguage is english so i believe im here
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[21:16:36] laga: kormoc: win!
[21:16:40] iamlindoro__: oy
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[21:17:43] sphery: whoever: make sure your capture card works outside of Myth. Sounds like a broken capture card configuration (broken drivers or broken config in Myth)
[21:17:45] whoever: im noticing my stupid tupos after i post( i think its because my keyboard cover is movieing
[21:18:06] laga: are you drunk?
[21:18:26] whoever: sphery: it does work, i can hook it up to the wall and get channels no prob
[21:18:50] whoever: laga: I'm beginning to with I was :-)
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[21:19:05] kormoc: Are you sure the cable box is on a channel that isn't just a blank screen, or outputting using the output you have selected?
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[21:19:55] sphery: whoever: getting channels from the wall (which I assume means from your analog/digital cable using the built-in tuner) != getting channels from Composite/S-Video (i.e. make sure it works /the way you want to use it in Myth/ outside of Myth)
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[21:20:21] whoever: kormoc: yau question is confusing, it is a digital cable box , the cable box works, i pulled off the tv to try to recieve the output
[21:20:36] RyeBrye: http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do? . . . p;pCatg=9666 Um... Why does a 1920 x 1080 panel only support up to 1366 x 768 via VGA and HDMI?
[21:21:07] kormoc: RyeBrye, " With 1080i signal capability"
[21:21:10] whoever: sphery: you mean try to use it in tvtime
[21:21:21] kormoc: RyeBrye, it can decode and resize down 1080 to 720
[21:21:37] kormoc: RyeBrye, ooh, never-mind, that's really odd
[21:22:16] RyeBrye: kormoc – that is very strange that it is saying it has a 1920 x 1080 panel... Probably should be a bit of a red flag.. "this is not the TV you are looking for... move along"
[21:22:27] kormoc: yeah
[21:22:35] AndyCap: RyeBrye: well, could be bugs in the spec. but then the question is. which part is wrong
[21:22:38] kormoc: typically when it says just signal capability, it means it just re-sizes
[21:22:46] kormoc: but yeah, that's super odd
[21:23:00] whoever: sphery: I know gettin channles from camble (wall outlet is different) but I wms using that as an exaple that my card works
[21:23:13] ** RyeBrye is sad. That would have been a decent deal :( **
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[21:25:42] sphery: RyeBrye: the HDMI could easily be explained by low quality HDMI components (i.e. cheap single-link TMDS receiver), the VGA, though, would probably just be laziness on the designers' part.
[21:25:47] whoever: sphery: ok, so so we know my card works, the cable box does work (pulled it off of a tv that wms using it
[21:26:06] sphery: whoever: now get the card working with the cable box outside of Myth... :)
[21:26:10] whoever: sphery: should i remove my card and from the backend and start over
[21:27:04] sphery: I still think you need to get the card working with the cable box outside of Myth as a first step, but to remove the card from your myth config: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034
[21:27:04] whoever: sphery: what program do you suguesst tvtime is a pain to setup just to set
[21:27:23] sphery: I don't know the HVR* cards, so I'll leave that up to you
[21:27:28] xris: whoever: have you configured myth to use the card's svideo input?
[21:27:59] whoever: xris: yes, tuner s-video1 = input
[21:28:18] xris: what kind of card?
[21:28:44] whoever: hauppaug 1600
[21:29:31] xris: huh
[21:29:53] xris: usually just works.. but I haven't messed with tuner cards in ages (firewire is so much nicer — when it works — stupid juju firewire stack)
[21:30:10] ** xris currently has no mythtv recording functionality **
[21:30:55] whoever: xris: http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hvr1600.html
[21:31:24] xris: whoever: and it works for normal channel viewing?
[21:31:32] xris: maybe no one updated the driver to work with the svideo jack
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[21:32:03] whoever: xris: can't get any channels all i get is the linup and black screen when trying to use the svideo
[21:33:05] whoever: xris: could be possible but could i still use the analog coax tuner to take the output off the coax out of the stb
[21:33:51] xris: whoever: have you tried the normal RF input?
[21:34:01] xris: I know that card didn't work under linux for a long time.
[21:34:11] whoever: xris: the normal rf is the wall hook up and yes
[21:35:11] xris: and that works fine?
[21:35:27] whoever: xris: I have a 150, should i though that in (just in desperation) and try that compostit
[21:35:39] whoever: xris: yes it worked fine
[21:35:50] ** sid3windr struggles hard to get his 150 blaster working :( **
[21:37:08] sphery: hmmm... mythbackend doesn't like it if you drop the mythconverg DB while the backend is running...
[21:37:17] xris: whoever: couldn't hurt.. I know the 1600 took awhile to get linux support, so I'm wondering if it even got support for the svideo jack yet.
[21:39:41] SirFunk: xris: nuvexport doesn't work for me :( that's why i was hoping there was an update
[21:39:49] SirFunk: i can't really figure out what the problem is
[21:39:58] whoever: xris: you could be right
[21:40:27] whoever: xris: should i try take the outpue of the stb with coax first ?,
[21:42:52] xris: whoever: I'd try the pvr-150 first
[21:43:05] xris: SirFunk: read the wiki article about --debug
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[21:43:11] SirFunk: i tried debug
[21:43:17] SirFunk: it jsut dies with little description of the problem
[21:43:29] whoever: xris: the only reason i said it that was is becase I'd have to power down to put my 150 back in
[21:43:29] SirFunk: i think it's using some ffmpeg option that is no good anymore or something
[21:43:39] SirFunk: i don't really understand what the fifo is doing too
[21:44:07] whoever: xris: so you stillthink try the 150 first
[21:44:43] xris: whoever: nothing wrong with powering down...
[21:45:01] xris: SirFunk: debug shouldn't even try to execute the commands...
[21:45:12] xris: afk, relatives here for lunch.
[21:45:29] whoever: xris: just letting you know I'd disappear so hopefully u'd stay around
[21:45:44] whoever: ok powering down brb xris
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[21:47:53] SirFunk: xris: i know it doesn't execute, i mean if i execute manually the commands it recommends
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[21:51:17] uomogrande: I have video coming in through a V4l2 analog (bt878) capture card , coax input. I need to setup MythTV so that it sets the card to channel 3, and then uses an external channel changer past that to set the channel, however I seem to be having problems, is this possible to do ?
[21:51:33] xris: SirFunk: I think I remember seeing a bug report in mythtv trac about changed commandline options. you might sort through the nuvexport tickets there.
[21:51:55] uomogrande: in the setup, i have both initial channel set to 3, and the channel changer command set, however it doesnt seem to work
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[21:52:19] uomogrande: it doesnt seem to be using the channel changer script to change channels, even though the field is set in mythtv-setup
[21:53:48] sphery: go Paul H... "You should be reading the commits list if you are using svn trunk." (in response to, 'I'm trying to compile the newest trunk' where 'newest trunk' isn't the newest trunk.
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[21:54:47] whoever: xris: hey I made it back :-) juht setting up my 150 now
[21:56:46] plarec: I've got a bit of a weird problem. My Media Library only shows bits of programs that were recorded when I was watching live TV, not programs I explicity told it to record (typing R while watching TV, or scheduling it).
[21:57:16] laga: plarec: hit m and select a different group
[21:57:16] plarec: The missing programs show up when I go into Manage Recordings. MythArchive can also see them and cut them to discs.
[21:57:58] whoever: xris: now my problem is whether i teli it video0 or video1 for device it still thinks its a 1600 card not a 150
[21:58:23] plarec: ah hah.... Now I see what I screwed up. I've got different recording profiles... Now things are starting to make sense.
[21:58:29] plarec: Thanks laga!
[21:59:18] sphery: uomogrande: I've heard rumors (for almost 3 years, now), that the /proper/ way to do what you're trying (using, "Preset tuner to channel: Leave this blank unless you have an external tuner that is connected to the tuner input of your card. If so, you will need to specify the preset channel for the signal (normally 3 or 4).") does not work
[22:00:29] uomogrande: Yeah thats basically what I'm finding, so, what is a non-proper way I can do it, that works ?
[22:00:43] uomogrande: well, if you are aware of any id appreciate it,
[22:01:01] sphery: uomogrande: So, your options are a) do /not/ specify a value for "Preset tuner to channel" and use "External channel change command: If specified, this command will be run to change the channel for inputs which have an external tuner device such as a cable box. The first argument will be the channel number." to /both/ change the tuner to the pre-set channel (using ivtv-tune or whatever) /and/ change the STB to the desired ...
[22:01:07] sphery: ... channel specified as the first arg to the external channel-change script.
[22:01:37] sphery: uomogrande: or b) use a more appropriate connection type to your capture card (Composite/S-Video--or maybe (though I'm not sure about this as we don't have it in the US) SCART)
[22:01:44] sphery: b) is the preferred solution
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[22:02:36] uomogrande: yeah I figured B would be easier it would just mean another trip to Rat-Shack to buy more cables .. blah .. they ripped me off enough today .. would you believe $53 for a DVI to HDMI cable, and $33 for a Firewire Cable .. .. geez.. a couple strands of wire are sure expensive
[22:02:47] sphery: uomogrande: there is a c) Fix myth and submit a patch, but I haven't had any desire to do c) in 3 years (haven't even had the desire to test if it's broken) since RF input from a set-top-box is the /worst/ possible input to use on an analog encoder card
[22:03:08] sphery: uomogrande: yeah, understandable
[22:03:24] sphery: in the meantime, use a)--it's just a single extra command in your external channel change script
[22:03:49] uomogrande: well .. im using Coax from a cable box to a BT878 card , and then FireWire from the cable box to change channels ..
[22:04:13] sphery: but you have a script that's changing the channel using firewire, right?
[22:04:19] uomogrande: yea
[22:04:51] sphery: so just add one more command to that script (and make sure you remove the "Preset tuner to channel" stuff)
[22:04:58] uomogrande: and in case your going to ask, no there doesnt seem to be any video coming accross the firewire .. (S4250HDC box)
[22:05:03] uomogrande: ok
[22:05:06] uomogrande: thanks
[22:05:11] uomogrande: ok then , for that, last question
[22:05:30] uomogrande: via command line, how can i set the channel on a capture card (v4l2 card) .. to say channel 3 ?
[22:05:55] uomogrande: so i can just set it to 3 in the first line of the script and then set the channel on the cablebox in the second line
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[22:07:44] sphery: don't know how to do that for a frame grabber? possibly v4l2-ctl (or is there a v4l2-tune)? I've only done it with ivtv stuff.
[22:08:48] uomogrande: well thanks alot for the help, guess i know what i need to do now .. not as sexy of a solution as i had hoped but this will deefinitly work
[22:10:03] sphery: yeah, it's unfortunately one of those bugs that affects so few configurations that it's not even worth fixing--probably even if you have an affected configuration, since the workarounds are so easy
[22:10:11] sphery: good luck finding the right command
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[22:10:46] sphery: if you were local I could give you a handful of RCA/S-Video cables.  :)
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[22:11:27] Jasper: hej guys, I'm trying to make a new htpc, but I'm looking for a silent system...anyone know if the atom motherboards will work?
[22:12:26] sphery: IMHO, you're much better off getting a more powerful CPU.
[22:12:43] sphery: the frontend really can use whatever CPU you throw at it.
[22:12:44] Jasper: ok, but how am I gonna get it silent then...am using zalman hd160 plus
[22:13:13] sphery: the new Core 2 procs are pretty darn cool (and have huge heatsinks with large = relatively quiet) fans
[22:13:14] Jasper: for the case, and zalman powersupply
[22:13:19] uomogrande: OHHHHH while i'm here one more question but its not really MythTV specific, ... I got a DVI to HDMI adapter cable to go from my video card to my TV , however, it seems the TV always sets the resolution slightly smaller than what the computer thinks it is, by that i mean , there is a good amount of my screen hidden on all sides, Does anyone know what is needed to do to setup the resolution to work right with the DVI -> H
[22:13:45] sphery: Though I use a very loud frontend and just put it in a different room (no case you'll ever find is as beautiful as an invisible frontend)
[22:13:48] Jasper: I'm thinking static cooling, but I have a huge case allready sphery and I don't think stuff like the ninja will fit
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[22:15:30] plarec: Jasper – how silent are you trying to make it? My MythTV box is based around a surplus IBM NetVista P4. It's very quiet, I can barely hear it. It's in a shelf with the rest of the stereo, and what little noise it makes is deadened by the shelving.
[22:15:31] sphery: uomogrande: your TV is overscanning the output (which most TV's do because the edges of TV video are generally /very/ ugly--with rainbows/jaggies/gray "static" VBI data/black bars--and not meant to be displayed)
[22:15:59] Jasper: plarec as silent as possible
[22:16:05] Jasper: am willing to buy a new motherboard + cpu for it
[22:16:10] Jasper: I have a p4 now, which is loud..
[22:16:15] Jasper: but the darn things get hot as hell
[22:16:17] sphery: I still vote for the different room. Best of all possible worlds.
[22:17:24] plarec: You can upgrade your cooling – get a better heat sink, one that uses a bigger fan. You can run a bigger fan at a lower speed and still move the same amount of air.
[22:17:51] plarec: Also, putting rubber bushings on the case fan where it mounts to the case will help deaden any resonance – same for the hard disk
[22:18:36] Jasper: well plarec problem is
[22:18:46] Jasper: everything is silent as in not hearable
[22:18:48] Jasper: even the psu
[22:18:57] Jasper: but the cpu fan just makes it into a vacum cleaner
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[22:20:07] riddlebox: is an 800mhz cpu good enough to run as a frontend?
[22:20:11] plarec: And a better heat sink, one with more surface area and a good thermal connection to the CPU, will help. Try to find a heatsink/fan system that uses a really, really big fan.
[22:20:31] whoever: xris: I got the 150 in and set it to use composit same thing, juht a black screen but i do havd linup info
[22:20:36] Jasper: or a new cpu, which doesn't get as hot :P
[22:20:55] plarec: riddlebox – yes. But you need a hardware encoder tuner.
[22:21:07] Anduin: whoever: if by lineup info you mean stuff drawn by myth in the OSD stop saying it
[22:21:09] riddlebox: plarec, it will just be a frontend, it will not have a tuner
[22:21:09] plarec: Jasper : that couldn't hurt :)
[22:21:27] iamlindoro: As long as you only intend to watch low to mid bitrate SD, that is.
[22:21:35] Jasper: but I have a zalman cnps9700 cooler plarec which I expected to be quite good
[22:21:37] riddlebox: plarec, I am getting some choppy playback on it, but I think it is because there is only 256mb ram in it
[22:21:38] Jasper: but it suxxx
[22:21:39] Jasper: :P
[22:21:42] plarec: Yeah, for Standard Definition, it'll be fine.
[22:22:27] whoever: Anduin: what do you mean OSD, I mean when I try to change channles i get the corrt listing and time but a lack screen
[22:22:28] plarec: riddlebox – more ram will help a lot of things. What about the network performance? It
[22:22:37] plarec: 's connected to the backend through what sort of network?
[22:22:54] riddlebox: plarec, 100mb network
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[22:23:10] riddlebox: plarec, I have a happauge media mvp on the same network working fine
[22:23:40] plarec: Jasper – a guy I know went crazy trying to make his PC silent. He tried many different types of heatsinks and fans, he had it almost completely silent... then the chipset fan crapped out and started making this horrible whine.
[22:24:10] Jasper: plarec ? :p
[22:25:00] plarec: riddlebox – and what resolution are you trying to play back? I can play full screen MPEG streams on my little old 700mhz laptop, but only DVD resolution, no higher.
[22:25:23] plarec: Jasper – no, it wasn't me. I personally don't really care. I find the whirr of computer equipment soothing.
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[22:28:30] plarec: riddlebox – I'd try taking one of the mpeg files generated by your backend, and moving it to the local disk of the frontend, and try playing it. That'll take the network (and network card) out of the equation. Also, check to ensure that your video card is using the right X server module. For example, for nvidia cards, always use the Nvidia supplied drivers. They work MUCH better.
[22:28:47] Jasper: plarec what do you think of http://www.scythe-usa.com/product/cpu/036/ima . . . main_400.jpg
[22:29:16] Jasper: nice huh :p
[22:29:26] Jasper: too bad it doesn't fit in my case..
[22:29:29] plarec: Wow. That is beautiful. Truly beautiful.
[22:29:38] plarec: Just leave the cover off, so everyone can see that :)
[22:29:51] plarec: Is that a sealed water unit?
[22:30:27] kormoc: no, just a multi run heat pipe system
[22:30:32] Jasper: no plarec
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[22:30:39] Jasper: it's just static cooling :p
[22:30:42] Jasper: 10 heat pipes
[22:31:05] Jasper: plarec http://www.scythe-usa.com/product/cpu/036/ima . . . -ex1_400.jpg <--
[22:31:06] Jasper: haha
[22:31:12] Jasper: tht's kinda sick
[22:31:20] Jasper: wonder if it doesn't damage the cpu :P
[22:31:23] plarec: See, if you have something like that, you can point a standard case fan at it, running on partial voltage (i.e., slow).
[22:31:38] plarec: It won't make any noise, but it will help it cool that much better.
[22:31:44] Jasper: yeah
[22:31:52] Jasper: I'm gonna measeure
[22:31:57] plarec: Shouldn't hurt the CPU. And, if it does kill it, a P4 chip is like what, fifteen bucks these days?
[22:31:58] Jasper: I think I'm missing just that 1 cm
[22:32:06] Jasper: yeah but I wanna go dual core
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[22:32:14] plarec: Ah.
[22:32:14] Jasper: sinc ep4 can't run hdtv 10080 decently enough
[22:32:17] Jasper: 1080 ..
[22:32:31] whoever: having trouble getting out put from stb fetching chanles give me a black screen and scagnin channles give me static
[22:32:45] whoever: scanning*
[22:32:58] plarec: My MythTV box is running on a P4 2.4ghz, 1.25gb RAM, with two tuner boards. Standard definition only.
[22:33:01] kormoc: whoever, you don't scan channels, that data is part of your schedules direct lineup information
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[22:33:18] Jasper: yeh plarec but I wanna be able to do blueray
[22:33:23] Jasper: what cpu you guess I need?
[22:33:35] kormoc: whoever, and second, with a svideo input, you won't even change channels on the card, your ir blaster needs to be setup to do that
[22:33:58] plarec: I don't know. I haven't worked with hi def yet.
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[22:34:13] whoever: kormoc: yes if using sd no need to scan but I'm trying azout anything since getting stb output is a pain
[22:34:28] Jasper: this sux, I'm missing like 1 cm
[22:34:35] Jasper: maybe I can lower the motherboard a bit somehow
[22:34:37] kormoc: whoever, you can't scan with svideo input, it's not a channel based signal...
[22:34:38] plarec: of clearance in the case?
[22:34:42] Jasper: yeah
[22:34:43] Jasper: on the top
[22:34:49] Jasper: it's 155 in height
[22:34:56] Jasper: one I have now is 142
[22:35:04] plarec: You could trim the heatsink down a bit.
[22:35:05] whoever: kormoc: im usiny the keybaard to chmnge channles willthat be a problem, im not using a rote
[22:35:16] plarec: Wouldn't hurt it, provided you don't hit those copper pipes
[22:35:40] kormoc: whoever, you need to configure a ir blaster to emulate a remote on the set top box. Do you have that equipment?
[22:35:48] uomogrande: What is the highest TV format you can do on sivideo ? ie i know i can do my HD1080p if i use dvi/hdmi but whats the most i can do with svideo ?
[22:35:50] Jasper: I think that's quite hard plarec
[22:36:01] iamlindoro__: uomogrande, 480i
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[22:36:06] uomogrande: thanks
[22:36:27] plarec: Is it a desktop case or a tower case?
[22:38:19] whoever: kormoc: can the stb be used just to recieval all tre channels that should be reced though the cable box and pass that to many cards( thas what im trying to setv
[22:38:28] whoever: setup*
[22:38:29] plarec: If it's a desktop case, just cut a neat hole over the whole motherboard area, then screw in a piece of lexan on rubber grommets to the side panel. If you do it right, you could get another half inch, and call it a case mod... Put a fan in that panel while you're at it. Take a 12v 120mm fan and run it at five volts. It'll spin real slow, but still move a useful amount of air.
[22:38:29] kormoc: whoever, no, it can't
[22:38:38] plarec: err. tower case, I mean.
[22:38:40] kormoc: whoever, each set top box can only pass one channel at a time
[22:38:54] Jasper: plarec I'll get a pic
[22:39:05] kormoc: (or two if you have one of those dual stbs, but they're rare these days)
[22:39:23] Jasper: http://www.pcmegastore.nl/catalog/images/hd160+.jpg <--- that one plarec
[22:39:35] Jasper: rather not put a hole in it :P
[22:40:01] plarec: Ah. Yeah, I wouldn't either...
[22:40:05] plarec: That's a nice case.
[22:40:21] Huijari: yeah, looks cool
[22:40:45] Huijari: i have my mythbackend under the bed :P
[22:40:54] whoever: kormoc: ok im a little confused as to why i must have an ir setup just to do that when I could change channles over the air with juht a keybaard
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[22:41:07] plarec: See, I was thinking you just had a normal PC case :)
[22:41:42] kormoc: whoever, because the set top box *is* the tuner when you use svideo/composite/rca inputs. The card itself can't tune, as the stb is the tuner
[22:42:08] plarec: Jasper – this is what mine looks like : http://www.computronicsdistribution.com/image . . . sktop_P4.jpg
[22:42:16] kormoc: whoever, you use a irblaster to change the channels on the STB which changes the channel it's sending to your card
[22:42:40] Jasper: plarec
[22:42:41] plarec: It's a state gov't surplus desktop PC. For fifty bucks, I couldn't complain, and it is _exactly_ the same width as all the hi-fi gear
[22:42:48] Jasper: I can gain spacing below the pmotherboard though :P
[22:43:09] plarec: Ah... Sneaky. How far above the bottom is the board mounted?
[22:43:23] plarec: Most PC's, you can't lower it, because there just isn't any space.
[22:43:27] whoever: kormoc: but couldn't i just as eany use the remote for the cable box
[22:43:48] kormoc: whoever, sure, but myth itself can't, and that makes myth fairly worthless
[22:43:54] Jasper: darn I can't plrec
[22:44:05] Jasper: the seats are welded to the casr
[22:44:08] Jasper: gahhhhh
[22:44:15] plarec: Jasper : I'd still be inclined to shorten the heatsink a bit though... It's be a pain, but aluminum isn't that hard to cut, and a Dremel is your friend.
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[22:44:55] whoever: kormoc: is thee a beter program to do what i've descrbed that im erying to do
[22:45:19] kormoc: whoever, no, it's impossible to get all the decoded channels at once from a stb
[22:45:30] plarec: But, You think you only need 1cm of clearance – is that taking into account the thickness of the board, socket and CPU?
[22:45:43] kormoc: whoever, and if you just want to watch tv, tvtime is much much much simpler then myth
[22:45:49] Jasper: not the socket..
[22:45:58] Jasper: well compared to my old cooler I need an extra cm
[22:46:05] Jasper: buttttttt, I don't know if it's mounted the same way
[22:46:14] Jasper: let's see if I can find a manual about that
[22:46:23] Jasper: oh, wait thta doesn't really matter though
[22:46:31] sphery: kormoc: I know you're a MySQL-guru. Do you understand collation stuff?
[22:46:42] sphery: I'm having an issue with collations.
[22:46:55] kormoc: I've delt with it a little before, what's up?
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[22:47:54] Jasper: this really is a problem :/
[22:47:57] plarec: Jasper – have you bought this thing yet, and it just won't fit, or are you looking at specs?
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[22:48:38] Jasper: looking at specs
[22:49:13] Jasper: I really wanna have static cooling
[22:49:29] sphery: kormoc: http://pastebin.ca/1270613 — comparison on people.name is failing with the collation specified (utf8_bin), but if I alter table first I can make comparison work.
[22:49:35] plarec: Actually, the top of your case is aluminum, isn't it?
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[22:50:26] sphery: kormoc: problem is that I think the collation is specified as utf8_bin because it prevents uniqueness constraint violations for otherwise duplicate data. The update I'm doing will fix the dups if only I can select the right rows.  :)
[22:50:54] sphery: kormoc: so I can't do the alter table before the dup-fixing (because it will fail on in-the-wild DB's)
[22:51:20] sphery: kormoc: Using query: SELECT person FROM people WHERE name = :VALIDNAME ;
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[22:51:31] plarec: Another option, would be – instead of cutting it, bend the fins down at the top, just enough to clear, but leave them pressing on the top cover. I,e, take two sturdy bits of metal, put them between the tops of the fins, and bend over one at a time. This will shorten the heat sink, and if it presses into the top cover when it's shut, then the case will contribute itself to the heat dissipation.
[22:51:53] kormoc: sphery, well, you can do SELECT person FROM people WHERE name COLLATE latin1 = :VALIDNAME; or whatever collate you want
[22:52:05] sphery: just need to figure out how to specify a collation override appropriately (I've tried, for example, "SELECT person FROM people WHERE name =_utf8 :VALIDNAME COLLATE utf8 ;"
[22:52:22] Jasper: that would be an idea plarec
[22:52:31] sphery: kormoc: I'll try it your way...
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[22:53:33] sphery: trying: SELECT person FROM people WHERE name COLLATE utf8 = :VALIDNAME ;
[22:53:41] kormoc: hrm
[22:55:45] kormoc: so this works for me
[22:55:47] plarec: Jasper – that of course, assumes that the amount you need to shorten it is less than the distance between the top of the heat sink and those copper tubes.
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[22:58:08] plarec: Jasper – that case is pretty sweet. Did that come with it's own IR sensor?
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[22:58:51] kormoc: sphery, SELECT person FROM people WHERE name = _utf8 'A.J. Buckley' COLLATE utf8_bin ;
[22:59:48] kormoc: sphery, I don't actually have a valid utf8 collate, http://pastebin.ca/1270618
[23:00:04] kormoc: sphery, I think general_ci is likely what you're after, or unicode_ci
[23:00:16] sphery: or utf_ci?
[23:00:32] sphery: oh, that would be utf8_general_ci
[23:00:42] kormoc: sphery, nope, no utf_ci
[23:01:07] kormoc: so the first _ is the charset, which is why utf8 is valid
[23:01:15] kormoc: then you pick a collation that's under that charset
[23:01:21] Jasper: yes plarec, and that's the main concertn I guess
[23:01:26] Jasper: but it would be very very sweet plarec :P
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[23:02:23] plarec: I had to build my own IR receiver for mine... I'm in the process of installing it in the front of the case, replacing the two front USB ports.
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[23:08:26] Jasper: yes plarec
[23:08:31] Jasper: it has a IR sensor in the front
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[23:12:27] Redhammer_the_Ol: hello I have a problem with wake up with /sys/class/rtc etc etc
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[23:13:13] Redhammer_the_Ol: tried both methods from this page and they both worked fine: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/ACPI_Wakeup
[23:13:19] Dagmar: Remember, violence is not the answer.
[23:13:36] kormoc: I like the etc etc, as if we just magically know what he was gonna say
[23:13:53] Redhammer_the_Ol: key question for me is when does the system write the wakeup time? when I schedule a recording when the system shutsdown as initiated from the backend ?
[23:14:31] Redhammer_the_Ol: sorry kormoc, what I was trying to say /sys/class/rtc/rtc0/wakealarm
[23:14:49] Redhammer_the_Ol: that maybe was not as obvious as thought....
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[23:15:51] iamlindoro__: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5949
[23:15:53] iamlindoro__: Hee hee
[23:16:01] sphery: kormoc: maybe an example of one that's causing problems will help: SELECT person, LENGTH(name), name FROM people WHERE name LIKE 'Andr%Jr%';
[23:16:10] iamlindoro__: That's almost as good as a bug report for "Myth can't connect to the DB"
[23:16:19] sphery: It's only the ones with non-latin characters that fail
[23:17:00] kormoc: sphery, hrm, have a example I can insert in that will fail?
[23:17:37] sphery: I've only been able to reproduce it with the values I'm getting in my C++ code from the query.
[23:17:53] sphery: (which is likely due to my lack of info.)
[23:18:07] sphery: s/info/knowledge/
[23:18:30] kormoc: sphery, so in short tho, you want to find all the names with \0's and find the matching non \0 one?
[23:18:32] sphery: Andrés García Jr. is what I see in my terminal (yeah, I know that's not what it's supposed to look like)
[23:18:46] sphery: yep
[23:18:54] sphery: one sec and I'll post my current patch
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[23:19:50] sphery: kormoc: http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/mythtv-fi . . . uption.patch
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[23:20:30] kormoc: so can't you just do SELECT id FROM people WHERE name = replace('\0', '', :name) ?
[23:20:33] sphery: the "REPLACE(name, '\\0', '')" in the peopleQuery was my latest test to see if for some reason I was matching both the with-null and without null ones
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[23:20:52] sphery: I have to update credits and recordedcredits to use the surviving person
[23:21:17] kormoc: if I can write a query that will give you oldid, newid, would that be enough?
[23:22:18] sphery: could try a different approach (as this isn't really working)
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[23:24:03] kormoc: sphery, try running this, http://pastebin.ca/1270640
[23:25:21] kormoc: that /should/ give you a list of id's to replace, update table x, set id = new where id = old, rinse and repeat
[23:26:02] sphery: replace args are out of order (str, from_str, to_str)--will retry once it's gives me results...
[23:26:28] ** kormoc laughs **
[23:29:46] Redhammer_the_Ol: oh just have read the webpage again and although it is not explicit, it seems to imply that the WAKEUPTIME is only set when /usr/bin/mythshutdown is run. is my understanding correct?
[23:29:55] kormoc: sphery, that also assumes you have a clean name to match, which can be created easily enough
[23:30:15] Jasper: hej guys, anyone here know of cpu's which don't need as much cooling?
[23:30:21] Redhammer_the_Ol: also is it possible to force the wakeup time to be set whenever a sooner recording is set ?
[23:30:23] iamlindoro__: a 386
[23:30:28] kormoc: Jasper, mobile cpus?
[23:30:29] iamlindoro__: an ARM
[23:30:35] Redhammer_the_Ol: an atom
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[23:30:43] kormoc: a quark!
[23:30:51] sphery: kormoc: thanks for the help.
[23:30:56] Redhammer_the_Ol: even athlon and core can be run passive
[23:30:57] sphery: I think I'm going to step away for a while.
[23:31:08] sphery: maybe it will look easier tomorrow
[23:31:14] kormoc: sphery, heh, yeah, language stuff is a major pain...
[23:31:19] kormoc: g;luck!
[23:31:42] MartinCleaver: macos mythtv + hdhomerun – is this going to be relatively painless? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Myth_on_Mac_OS_X says "The following tuners are known to work using the Mac version of Myth backend: HDHomeRun. "
[23:31:43] sphery: yeah--the fix was easy until the fact that people.name is using a different collation from most of the rest of the DB reared its ugly head
[23:31:54] Jasper: I really wonder if an atom would be fast enough
[23:32:08] Redhammer_the_Ol: supposedly dual core atom works fien
[23:32:14] MartinCleaver: but I've had enough pain with my hvr-1800 that I want a real opinion this time
[23:32:16] Redhammer_the_Ol: there was an article at ocworkbench.com
[23:32:20] Jasper: dual core atom works?
[23:32:21] iamlindoro__: An atom would be fast enough if you have a VDPAU video card
[23:32:38] Jasper: I'm thinking maybe using a notebook cpu..
[23:32:46] Jasper: would that differ in temperatur ranges?
[23:33:03] Redhammer_the_Ol: or use an atholon 64 le single core
[23:33:08] kormoc: MartinCleaver, given the hdhome run is a network device, likely, but keep in mind, it's only going to get ATSC over the air and maybe a few unencrypted channels over the cable if you have it
[23:33:28] Redhammer_the_Ol: undervolt and underclock it
[23:33:28] Redhammer_the_Ol: put it on an nvidia chipset
[23:33:53] MartinCleaver: kormoc: is there anything that's going to give me a wider range of channels?
[23:33:54] kormoc: Jasper, rather then talking with us, you could research it a bit
[23:34:02] plarec: Anyone know if there is a way to reload the .lircrc file into mythfronend without restarting mythfronend?
[23:34:03] kormoc: MartinCleaver, for osx? not really
[23:34:39] kormoc: MartinCleaver, osx's frontend/backend is considered more of a that's cool it works then anything people really put time towards
[23:34:53] MartinCleaver: ok. So is the issue because it doesn't pick up analog? or that it won't take encrypted channels?
[23:35:05] kormoc: MartinCleaver, both?
[23:35:30] MartinCleaver: ok. But nothing picks up encrypted channels?
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[23:35:40] kormoc: MartinCleaver, correct
[23:35:54] kormoc: MartinCleaver, or rather, it picks it up, but you can't view it
[23:36:16] MartinCleaver: Is Over-The-Air mostly encrypted ?
[23:36:26] kormoc: over the air is typically not
[23:36:28] a1fa: damn motorcycles
[23:36:32] a1fa: i just lost my mp3 player
[23:36:42] a1fa: hit 60 in 2nd gear and the damn thing flies off
[23:36:43] kormoc: check out antennaweb to see what channels you'll get
[23:36:45] MartinCleaver: ok.
[23:37:04] MartinCleaver: thanks kormoc
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[23:38:36] ericrost: I rebooted my mythtv box after the backend froze up, and now I am getting a blue themed screen that asks me to select my language and then has no details about my backend saved
[23:38:42] ericrost: any ideas where to start troubleshooting?
[23:41:28] iamlindoro__: Did you change hostnames?
[23:41:34] ericrost: nope
[23:41:43] ericrost: just rebooted and I'm ssh'd into the box from this laptop
[23:41:51] iamlindoro__: Sounds like your backend didn't start up for some reason, then. Read your backend logs.
[23:41:53] ericrost: same thing happens when I start a remote frontend
[23:42:06] ericrost: its showing a driver overflow from the last time it was up
[23:42:12] ericrost: any idea how to start it manually?
[23:42:20] iamlindoro__: "mythbackend"
[23:42:42] ericrost: can't connect to local mysql
[23:42:43] iamlindoro__: And doubtful that's from the last time it was up, you're likely to see a bootyload of mysql errors right now
[23:43:02] iamlindoro__: okay, so your mysql server isn't running, or you've messed up permissions
[23:43:10] plarec: Did your disk fill up?
[23:43:21] ericrost: I was just gonna check that, the frontend log was huge
[23:43:34] plarec: I had the same thing happen when my / disk filled up – and mysql couldn't start because the logs filled up the partition/
[23:43:35] iamlindoro__: whatever drive /var is on needs space
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[23:44:05] Redhammer_the_Ol: is there a way to run mythshutdown just to set the shutdown time, I am not clear if and how the -w option works
[23:44:17] Redhammer_the_Ol: I am just working on something and do not want to have an accidental shutdown
[23:44:26] ericrost: I think that may be the deal
[23:44:57] iamlindoro__: So free up some space, start the mysql service, start the mythbackend service, and you *should* be fine (possibly with a check of your tables somewhere in there)
[23:45:09] ericrost: hrm, I might need to add a cron job to trim these, perhaps I should file a bug on mythbuntu launchpad to do that automagically
[23:45:21] iamlindoro__: mythbuntu *does* rotate logs by default
[23:45:33] iamlindoro__: If it's not then you've borked something
[23:45:42] ericrost: hmm, maybe they just filled up too quickly with the driver lockup
[23:46:38] ericrost: nope
[23:47:20] ericrost: no database selected?
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