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Wednesday, November 26th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: it's actually been a pretty challenging patch for me (as I didn't know /anything/ about the UI code in Myth before doing it). Patch is currently 434 lines and growing.

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Dagmar:

Chemo might help

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delmar:

hey everyone. I'm having no end of trouble making my little mythtv setup work. does mythtv properly support DiSEqC and C-Band signals?

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delmar:

Currently I have an external receiver driving the DiSEqC switch and the mythtv box is attached to the loop out port so I'm forcing the signal with the external receiver for now... yet I am still not able to make it work right.

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delmar:

I was able to tune into say.. NasaTV on intelsat701.. it scans and adds the channels, but when I fire up the front end and try to switch to watch the channel... it wont work and I get this in the logs....

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delmar:

2008-11–26 13:45:45.115 DVBChan(1:0) Warning: Your frequency setting (7446000) is out of range. (min/max:950000/2150000)

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delmar:

2008-11–26 13:45:45.117 DVBChan(1:0) Error: Tune(): Setting Frontend tuning parameters failed.

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delmar:

eno: Invalid argument (22)

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delmar:

2008-11–26 13:45:45.118 DVBChan(1:0) Error: SetChannelByString(1): Tuning to frequency.

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delmar:

2008-11–26 13:45:45.119 TVRec(1) Error: Failed to set channel to 1.

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delmar:

so I'm almost there... just no picture...

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delmar:

i don't know where it gets that 7446000 from either.. thats not anything I have entered.

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gizmobay:

How often do myth version numbers change? How much newer is 19152M versus 19114M?

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Dagmar:

Forty or so commits

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Dagmar:

Feel free to read the changelog.

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kormoc:

gizmobay, first of all, those likely are not version numbers, those are likely subversion revision numbers, but the M is not, so god only knows who did what to them

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gizmobay:

so forty or so commits and we'll be at 19153M?

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kormoc:

there is no M in subversion revision numbers

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kormoc:

that number is meaningless until you ask whoever created it what it means

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iamlindoro__:

M = you done applied yourself a patch.

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iamlindoro__:

one commit = one revision.

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, you can patch all you want, M doesn't ever get appended to the subversion revision number

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iamlindoro__:

kormoc, huh? Sure it does, was under the impression the M = Modified

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, so for them to patch the makefile/svn info to add a M kinda blows that number out of the water

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kormoc:

iamlindoro__, in svn status, sure, but not in svn info

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fuxxy:

Is there a way to manually add ClearQAM channels to mythtv without having to directly edit the mysql database? hdhomerun_config picks up channels that mythtv's scan misses.

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iamlindoro__:

kormoc, I figured it was his revision as reported by mythbackend --version or similar (which does show th M)

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iamlindoro__:

Missed the part where we were specifically talking about svn info, I guess

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, my build of myth doesn't have the m, and I patched the crap out of it

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, the make file pulls the svn reveision number from svn info to build into the binary

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iamlindoro__:

*shrugs* Mine has an M

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kormoc:

weird

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gizmobay:

Mine too

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gizmobay:

ones from a package and ones from a compile

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gizmobay:

both M

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kormoc:

gizmobay, if they do map to a svn revision number, you can go to svn.mythtv.org, click on timeline and see what's been changed when

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gizmobay:

awesome thanks

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gizmobay:

I've already checked out change set 19152

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gizmobay:

How do I checkout additional ones?

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gizmobay:

Just

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gizmobay:

svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0-21-fixes/

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wagnerrp:

you can do '-r <number>' to grab a specific revision

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gizmobay:

I just want the latest

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iamlindoro__:

or "svn up" from within your source dir

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gizmobay:

will it auto do it for me

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wagnerrp:

co will download a new one, up will upgrade a current one

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gizmobay:

svn up http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0-21-fixes/

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gizmobay:

like this

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iamlindoro__:

no

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wagnerrp:

no, just 'svn up'

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iamlindoro__:

just "svn up"

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wagnerrp:

you have to have a current one for that to work

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delmar:

hrm. I'm getting closer. I have some information if anyone cares... I removed the capture card, vid source which in turn blew away the inputs and channels... so I started again..

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wagnerrp:

channels are stored with the sources, yes

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wagnerrp:

but capture cards can pretty much be added and removed on a whim

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delmar:

this time i created the card, created the switch, then created the C-Band LNB...nothing else.. setup the vid source and inputs....

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wagnerrp:

theres nothing stored against them

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delmar:

so i ignored the other ports... just setup the c-band port...

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delmar:

bingo.. it all works.

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delmar:

whereas before... I setup port3 first, got my Ku / Freeview working..

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delmar:

then setup port 1 with the c-band on the 3.6m dish.. and sure.. it scans everything and adds the channels but no workie on frontend.

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fuxxy:

sigh. Scanning QAM channels before has always returned at least *some* channels, this time it hasn't returned one channel yet.

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delmar:

frustrating

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delmar:

so now I have the c-band setup first.. I will try setting up port 3 which is the Ku band lnb on the 90cm dish.

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delmar:

and I bet $10 it wont work

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fuxxy:

oop, there's a couple channels!

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delmar:

ok all done.. so I start the front end.. and it defaults to the C-Band channel I had before.. but that wont work now... so I select one of the channels I just scanned from the Ku signal... and it doesnt work

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delmar:

so it seems the second and subsequent LNB/Input and associated channels... wont work

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delmar:

2008-11–26 15:00:18.224 DVBChan(2:0) Warning: Your frequency setting (12456000) is out of range. (min/max:950000/2150000)

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delmar:

2008-11–26 15:00:18.226 DVBChan(1:0) Error: Tune(): Setting Frontend tuning parameters failed.

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delmar:

eno: Invalid argument (22)

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delmar:

2008-11–26 15:00:18.227 DVBChan(2:0) Error: SetChannelByString(1921): Tuning to frequency.

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delmar:

2008-11–26 15:00:18.229 TVRec(2) Error: Failed to set channel to 1921.

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delmar:

:((

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wagnerrp:

sounds like youre giving it the wrong channel list

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delmar:

wagnerrp, I'm just selecting the channel it was able to scan

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fuxxy:

Hum. I deleted all my capture devices using the "Delete all capture cards" option, and when I re-added the tuners, they're numbered 8 9 and 10? it's like the old entries weren't completely deleted?

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wagnerrp:

thats just mysql

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wagnerrp:

tuners are numbered sequentially

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wagnerrp:

even if the previous entries in the sequence are deleted

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fuxxy:

hmm, I thought the "delete all" approach would delete every trace of tuners.

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Dagmar:

If you want that you have to basically rm /var/lib/mysql and rebuilt the database

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Dagmar:

Not exactly recommended.

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fuxxy:

dagar, agreed :)

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wagnerrp:

you can reset the auto_increment value

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wagnerrp:

'alter table capturecard auto_increment=<whatever>'

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wagnerrp:

best done on an empty table

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fuxxy:

There's got to be an easier way to take hdhomerun_config's channel scan and import it into mythtv..

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wagnerrp:

does it output a channels.conf?

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fuxxy:

wagnerrp, not in the format that mythtv expects.

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fuxxy:

wagnerrp, do you have a program to view XLS files?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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fuxxy:

wagnerrp, I didn't get anything really useful from hdhomerun_config in linux, but the hdhomerun tools on windows gave me a whole boatload of useful information.

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wagnerrp:

so open the xls file

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fuxxy:

KPRCDT TRUE qam256 603000000 2 47 85.1

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wagnerrp:

open office will open them

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wagnerrp:

koffice might

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fuxxy:

oh, I have the xls file open, I was trying to show what sort of information was in there.

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fuxxy:

I can't just rafb.net it :)

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fuxxy:

that channel I listed is one that I recieve just fine, but mythtv's scan missed it.

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fuxxy:

among about 10 others.

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wagnerrp:

try dvbscan then

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fuxxy:

wagnerrp, on an hdhomerun?

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Dagmar:

Scanning is still almost more art than science

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wagnerrp:

the hdhomerun is a 'dvb card'

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fuxxy:

wagnerrp, really?! the last one that was trying to help me was going to use dvb tools, but balked when he found out I had a hdhomerun.

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fuxxy:

hmm, let me try the dvb tools

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wagnerrp:

i was under the impression that the hdhr drivers emulated dvb protocol over the ethernet

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wagnerrp:

such that it showed up just like any other dvb card

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fuxxy:

we will soon see!

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gizmobay:

Is there any difference between compiling and installing a package with the main myth packages. I'm trying to get mythstream to work by compiling. It works when I use the atrpms mythtv package and I get a seg fault when I use my compiled version of myth.

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Dagmar:

You've crossbred files somehow then

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Dagmar:

Don't mix and match repositories

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fuxxy:

wagnerrp, dvbscan expects a device name, and I have none?

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wagnerrp:

if you dont have a device name, mythtv cannot use it

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gizmobay:

I completely remove all myth packages before I installed my compiled version and I do a make uninstall before I install the package version

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Dagmar:

So now search the filesystem for leftover bits and pieces.

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fuxxy:

wagnerrp, so I've got no idea how to find out what device name myth uses to access my hdhomerun.

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wagnerrp:

it will be in /dev/dvb/

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gizmobay:

Some still gets left behind?

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fuxxy:

wagnerrp, I have no /dev/dvb on my system (not even a folder)

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iamlindoro__:

HDHomeRun doesn't use DVB drivers

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iamlindoro__:

it's custom, and built into myth, no dev node

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iamlindoro__:

Well, not custom so much as "using the HDHomeRun's headers/API"

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netrix:

hello. does anyone know how do i get mythmusic to show my cover artwork? what does the the file need to be named?

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J-e-f-f-A_:

netrix: I don't have much cover artwork, but what I do have shows up...

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Dagmar:

netrix: afaik it just assumes the first image file in the directory is cover art

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Dagmar:

Check the wiki for documentation

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netrix:

mine used to show up just fine, and since upgrading my system and frontends it doesn't work. i have a couple of different .jpg and .jpeg files in the folders with the audio files.

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J-e-f-f-A_:

netrix: Dagmar's comments jive with what I'm seeing in my music directories... ;-)

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fuxxy:

wagnerrp, here's the contents of hdhomerun's scan file. http://rafb.net/p/vSsiBn36.html

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gizmobay:

netrix, what r u seeing?

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netrix:

gizmobay: my images don't show up at all.

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netrix:

i notice in the wiki it says 'art in mp3 files, stored as picture files within ID3V2.3 or ID3V2.4 tags'

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netrix:

mine are stand along images, which i guess isn't supported. guess i need to get them into the tags.

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** iamlindoro__ constantly marvels at how someone concludes one thing after being told the polar opposite. **

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gizmobay:

netrix, I just dropped an image into the directory and it shows up

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** J-e-f-f-A hacks open a Dish UHF remote to see if he can figure out how to recycle the UHF transmitter to use with lirc... ;-) **

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gizmobay:

maybe you're just on another visual effect

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netrix:

gizmobay: oh, okay. thats how I thought it should work too. mine don't. thanks for trying it. how big is your image file?

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gizmobay:

abou 48kB

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gizmobay:

while listening to music hit 6 on your keyboard to change visual effect

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gizmobay:

the image needs to be in the folder with all your songs

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netrix:

gizmobay: yep thats how i had it and it was working. i just got it working now tho.

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netrix:

gizmobay: i turned on "show album art at the start of each song" in the setup options and it works. awesome.

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netrix:

gizmobay: thanks for your help!

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gizmobay:

no prob. Same thing happened to me before

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fuxxy:

I need to hack a few files in mythweb to show the channel attributes mplexid, serviceid, and atscsrcid . I've got no clue what file mythweb uses to get this information.. Anyone have a suggestion?

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gizmobay:

fuxxy, mythTvChannel.php in the objects folder. Just a guess'

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fuxxy:

aha!

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fuxxy:

I was looking in modules/ for some reason.

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fuxxy:

I'm no php guru, I assume I can add the values to the section with all the "dtv_multiplex.*" stuff?

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xris:

fuxxy: channel editor in mythweb settings doesn't already have that inof?

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xris:

info?

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fuxxy:

dtv_multiplex.freqid AS dtv_freqid,

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fuxxy:

it's got freqid, but not the other two, per the guide I"m looking at.

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fuxxy:

http://www.pchdtv.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=882

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fuxxy:

okay, grr, I've got no idea.

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fuxxy:

gonna come back to it.

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netrix:

quick question about visualizations in mythmusic, what can i do to increase my frame rate and make the visualizations more fluid? video card or proc?

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kormoc:

Run top and see if you're cpu bound or not?

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netrix:

kormoc: good point .. probably should have done that before i asked.

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netrix:

okay .. running the visualizations my cpu is ~85% idle.

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fuxxy:

netrix, what kind of video card do you have, and what drivers are you using?

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netrix:

fuxxy: geforce 6200 agp, using the nvidia xorg driver.

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netrix:

fuxxy: running my tv at 1920x1080.

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fuxxy:

you know he 6200 is the bottom-of-the-line geforce 6xxx series, right?

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Dagmar:

They go lower.

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netrix:

fuxxy: yeah i know ... it's old.

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Dagmar:

Doesn't really matter, since way less will do everything MythTV needs.

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netrix:

Dagmar: and it does. :)

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wagnerrp:

fuxxy: do the visualizers have any sort of hardware acceleration?

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netrix:

ok but if i'm insane and i really want smooth visualizations at hd rez will a better video card help?

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fuxxy:

wagnerrp, not really sure.

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netrix:

just wondering before i run out and buy something new.

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wagnerrp:

i doubt they do

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iamlindoro__:

netrix, Very very unlikely

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netrix:

iamlindoro: ok, good to know.

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fuxxy:

Did another scan, this time ignoring encrypted status, and still missed a block of ClearQAM channels on frequency 609000000 (channel 88)

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fuxxy:

I wonder if I should do an ATSC scan before a QAM256, even though both tuners are attached to cable?

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wagnerrp:

are you using broadcast? or cable?

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fuxxy:

Cable. On both tuners.

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wagnerrp:

then you use QAM256 (or maybe WAM64)

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fuxxy:

I pick up channels on both QAM 64 and QAM256

[03:33:39]

fuxxy:

but all the available ClearQAM channels are not being detected in mythtv's scan.

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fuxxy:

wagnerrp, you're right though. The modulation will be different. I don't think it will pick up anything on an ATSC scan.

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iamlindoro__:

Of course it won't. You can't modulate 8VSB on cable.

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fuxxy:

Some people have reported having to do an ATSC scan before QAM, or else they don't get *any* channels.

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fuxxy:

I figured it may be related.

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iamlindoro__:

sounds like hardware peculiarities.

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iamlindoro__:

But has nothing to do with 8VSB *ever* being on cable

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fuxxy:

ok.

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fuxxy:

I just need to sit down with a good mysql book, and manually add these channels I guess.

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netrix:

i tried the visuals on my other system athalon 3500, geforce 6150 running at 1280x720 and the visuals in mythmusic are very smooth.

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wagnerrp:

well 1280x720 is roughly half the resolution of 1920x1080

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netrix:

yeah i know .. not the greatest test.

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wagnerrp:

so roughly have the CPU load to render it

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wagnerrp:

depending on how it runs

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netrix:

wagnerrp: i guess becuase the visuals don't support 3d acceleration then they are more cpu hungry?

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Dagmar:

They don't "support" 3D accelleration.

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Dagmar:

They're not 3D.

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netrix:

dagmar: duh .. my bad. you're right they are obviously not 3d.

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netrix:

what about the gears visual? isin't that like glxgears?

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Dagmar:

Is it linked to Mesa?

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Dagmar:

Have you looked at it's source?

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netrix:

no, but it is part of the mesa-utils package on debian.

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Dagmar:

Really. MythMusic is part of mesa-utils.

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netrix:

Dagmar: glxgears is.

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netrix:

anyhow, i think i'll try building a faster box because it sounds like the consensus is that a better video cardn't isin't going to help with visuals in mythmusic.

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Dagmar:

Or drop the resolution on your machine a bit

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netrix:

Dagmar: i considered that but i hate not to drive the panel all the way up.

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netrix:

Dagamr: too bad it's not like the xine. when you use goom in that for instance it can drop the display to lower rez for the purpose of display the visual and then return it back when you exit the visual.

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netrix:

sorry not xine, i mean xmms.

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wagnerrp:

i imagine one could patch mythmusic to render at a lower resolution and then use xv for hardware scaling

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wagnerrp:

mythmusic seems to have gone rather neglected over the years though

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jeffery:

I have a disk attached via usb to which I am planning to archive some of my recorded shows. Once it is archived, I will replace the disk with a new one. Question is, will the shows I archive, disappear from the recorded list/database?

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psm321:

jeffery: depends on how you archive

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jeffery:

psm321, when I say archive, I am just moving the files onto an other disk.

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jeffery:

and that disk will disappear being replaced with a new one

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wagnerrp:

so long as the shows are available on a directory listed in the recording group, mythtv will access them

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psm321:

then no, they wont disappear from the recorded list

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sphery:

and no, you won't be able to play them unless/until you plug in the "old" hard drive.

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psm321:

sphery: well thats a given :)

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sphery:

heh... Video 101 by NCIS: "Abby, this isn't a Flash CODEC. It's H-dot-two-six-four." "Hey, McGee?" "Boss this isn't a video. It's streaming live."

[04:17:06]

jeffery:

I don't mind if they disappear when I archive them. But when I connect that disk back, I am hoping the recordings appear back in the listing to be played

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psm321:

jeffery: they aren't going to disappear when you archive them

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kormoc:

jeffery, I don't think it works the way you think it works

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sphery:

I wonder if I'd enjoy the show more if I didn't understand how completely ridiculous that dialogue is or if I love the show because of these occasional gems.

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psm321:

if you want them to, i believe mytharchive in native mode will do that, but i'm not 100% sure

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jeffery:

cool.. psm321 thats all I need to know :)

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** kormoc sighs **

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psm321:

jeffery: people here think i'm crazy cause i do exactly that... except burning files off to dvd

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jeffery:

kormoc, why

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kormoc:

jeffery, it's all database driven, you'll need to remove/add the database entries for the recordings to remove/show in the list

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wagnerrp:

jeffery: you dont want to use mytharchive, you just want to copy the files from one disk to the other... correct?

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jeffery:

psm321, I don't have the time to burn them all.. just replacing the disks is easier for me :)

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wagnerrp:

oh, you want to have multiple disks?

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wagnerrp:

swappable disks?

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jeffery:

wagnerrp, yep

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, that auto-add/remove from the recording list when added/removed from the system

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** kormoc sighs and pokes his frontend **

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sphery:

jeffery: the metadata won't disappear from the database, every time you scroll over one of those shows in Watch Recordings, it will pause (for up to several seconds) while it looks for the video/tries to make a preview

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iamlindoro:

This approach is bad times

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kormoc:

I can crash the frontend every time by connecting to the telnet interface twice via php, but not via telnet

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psm321:

doesnt pause too long for me

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iamlindoro:

It ain't VHS

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jeffery:

sphery, thats going to cause performance problems I guess

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wagnerrp:

jeffery: just buy another USB caddy, and keep them both attached

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psm321:

of course thats the best solution :)

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sphery:

yep, more /attached/ disk space is the answer

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sphery:

kormoc: you mean you connect once, disconnect, then connect a second time and it dies?

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kormoc:

sphery, aye

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jeffery:

sphery, what if I keep the png images on the system and copy only the video files?

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kormoc:

sphery, compiling a debug release to get a backtrace now

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wagnerrp:

jeffery: it wants the actual video files to make live previews

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iamlindoro:

It's not looking for PNGs, it's trying to actually run a *video* preview (in .21, anyway)

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sphery:

jeffery: if the timestamps on the PNG files get messed up in any way, having them there won't help (but if you preserve file modification times, it should help)

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psm321:

jeffery: why dont you just move a few files away to a different directory and just try it? see if the performance hit is acceptable to you

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** iamlindoro misses the video widget a little in trunk **

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kormoc:

well, in all fairness, the live preview is an option

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sphery:

but, as they mentioned, you would need to also disable live previews

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sphery:

So, iamlindoro, have you figured out how your HD-PVR can stream live TV shows you recorded hours ago?

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psm321:

jeffery: everybody else here is likely more of an expert but i can tell you from personal experience that even w/ live previews on i dont experience long hangs frequently (it'll hang for a few seconds for maybe 1 in 20–30 recordings when scrolling through a long list of recordings with missing files)

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** iamlindoro scratches his head **

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iamlindoro:

sphery: You..it... I... huh?

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jeffery:

psm321, how many recordings to you have in your recorded list?

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psm321:

you dont want to know :)

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sphery:

Something I learned on NCIS... "Abby, this isn't a Flash CODEC. It's H-dot-two-six-four." "Hey, McGee?" "Boss this isn't a video. It's streaming live."

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sphery:

iamlindoro: ^^^

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jeffery:

psm321, sure :)

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iamlindoro:

sphery: I... wait. Huh?

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iamlindoro:

I must be missing context, I'm confused

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psm321:

"There are 33166 recordings in this display group"

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, it's from a tv show, he's poking fun at the dialog

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sphery:

If it's H.264, it must be live. Only Flash is video.

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** kormoc blinks **

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psm321:

of course that makes myth in general pretty sluggish :)

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kormoc:

I felt bad when I hit 10k shows over e3.5 years

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: ahhh, Yeah, saw taht it was TV, just was trying hard to make it make *sense*, heh

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psm321:

kormoc: well i'm at ~4 years

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psm321:

it's actually exploded in the last year or so

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sphery:

what's the use in keeping 33166 shows?

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psm321:

as i've started recording way more stuff

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iamlindoro:

sphery: It's always live when I'm watching it. Just like as long as I can touch them, they're real

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jeffery:

wow..... yeah 4 years of videos .. me newb

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sphery:

iamlindoro: good point

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psm321:

sphery: this is why i dont like to mention it... i really dont want to get into a discussion about that right now :) basically boils down to "i'm a packrat"

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kormoc:

oh wow

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jeffery:

psm321, does your mythweb ever load up ?

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psm321:

not anymore

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kormoc:

Backtrace stopped: previous frame inner to this frame (corrupt stack?)

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kormoc:

that's... disturbing...

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psm321:

jeffery: an update ~2 years ago broke it

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psm321:

jeffery: but then again the last time i ever even tried was probabnly about a year ago

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wagnerrp:

ive only got 1680 recorded shows in my logs

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jeffery:

psm321, how much capacity do you have

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iamlindoro:

I like my organization, and keeping umpteen billion recordings is not organized. I like my nice, categorized by genre/show name/season directories in mythweb.

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kormoc:

at 33k recordings, I'll just close any ticket about the recordings page not loading without even looking at it... jesus....

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jeffery:

psm321, would have been a nightmare bringing it back up

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psm321:

kormoc: well thats why i havent filed any tickets :)

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jeffery:

have you had disk failures?

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psm321:

occasionally

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iamlindoro:

what's to fail? He has a spindle of disks

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iamlindoro:

recordable media

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iamlindoro:

only risk is disk rot

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xris:

iamlindoro: I've always wanted to do something in mythweb to organize it like the frontend does..

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sphery:

psm321: if your 33166 shows were each 1 minute long, that would be 552 hours of TV. If they're 30min long, that's 16583 hours. So, how much space are we talking

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xris:

but I like having preview images of everything.

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kormoc:

I wonder how to backtrace a corrupt stack hrm

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iamlindoro:

xris: Yeah, but I'm a dumbass and wrote mythweb while thinking mythvideo

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xris:

iamlindoro: ahh. :)

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psm321:

jeffery: i'm at around 4TB of disk space on my raid box, probably around 1.5 TB local, plus umpteen DVDs

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iamlindoro:

Which makes lots more sense

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iamlindoro:

That's the way they're organized in Mythvid :)

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psm321:

sphery: i record at ~120MB/hr

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sphery:

and how many hours?

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psm321:

i dont know

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psm321:

i've thought of writing a script to crawl thru my db and figure that out but never gotten around to it

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iamlindoro:

You see that blob over there? That's the hero. And you see that slightly curvier blob? that's his lady.

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sphery:

For 120MB/hr, I'm assuming it's like 160x120 resolution, right?

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psm321:

340x240 iirc

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psm321:

and i lied

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wagnerrp:

psm, mythweb will give you that in the statistics information

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psm321:

120MB/half hr

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iamlindoro:

I think they're.... kissing? fighting?

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kormoc:

mythweb's stats module!

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jeffery:

psm321, sending the Piracy Watchdog your way ;)

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Dagmar:

OMG it's a porno!

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psm321:

tho i actually was recording at 120MB/hr for a while due to the bitrate bug

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wagnerrp:

ive got some 1630 hours recorded

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psm321:

jeffery: go for it, it's all for personal use and not pirated

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kormoc:

hrm

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jeffery:

lol

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kormoc:

cs->setCodec("UTF-8"); is sigfaulting

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sphery:

Dagmar: he spent his youth watching the scrambled skin-flicks his parents never subscribed to, so he found that recording at such a low bitrate makes /anything/ look like the TV he fondly remembers

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psm321:

hah

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psm321:

i actually never even had cable til college

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iamlindoro:

I miss the old analog scrambling, bless it

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Dagmar:

Would't be the first time I've heard of someone deliberately mangling recordings for the purposes of nostalgia

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: The old "3x5" descrambler

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psm321:

and i dont really find the quality too bad (tho when i did have it at 120/hr for a while i thought it was bordering on unacceptasble)

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jeffery:

psm321, do you have sattellite recption or just terestrial?

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar: Never had a descrambler, I had to use my imagination

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psm321:

cable

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jeffery:

ah ok

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psm321:

been experimenting w/ ota digital

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psm321:

but not on my main deployment

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psm321:

i have a separate mythtv setup running on my file server

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sphery:

Wasn't there a qualification to the whole time-shifting fair-use rules in the US saying that time-shifting implies a /reasonable/ amount of time (such as 30 days from original broadcast) and does /not/ allow permanent archival? Just wondering aloud.

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: The first cable boxes they rolled out here you could take a 3x5 index card, fold the short end over by 3/4", insert it short side down into the top edge of the unit and pull it back out slowly. It would catch something that would disengage the scrambler

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar: heh

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sphery:

Oh, and I'm not asking anyone to say whether or not he/she is in the US, so don't.

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wagnerrp:

one of my friends' first forays into movie piracy was a copy of the matrix at 87MB

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: Proof I was a weird kid: Once I figured this out, I took the card out because it was too easy

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wagnerrp:

of course this was like 9 years ago

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sphery:

wagnerrp: the whole movie?

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clever:

wagnerrp: i found a file on my drive last week, it was ~20mb and the filename claimed to be half of the matrix movie

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clever:

i now have all 3 movies on dvd, legal

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psm321:

clever: was the claim accurate? :)

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iamlindoro:

I remember watching episodes of southpark in RM in college, they were in the 15–20 MB range IIRC

[04:36:29]

wagnerrp:

the whole movie, it was like 180x120 resolution

[04:36:37]

clever:

psm321: i didnt bother checking, i just deleted it

[04:36:43]

Dagmar:

iamlindoro: Heh. now you can watch South Park on their website. All of it.

[04:36:47]

sphery:

wow... Don't pirates have standards?

[04:36:54]

iamlindoro:

Dagmar: yeah, so I hear

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iamlindoro:

sphery: ask clever

[04:37:01]

wagnerrp:

apparently some do not

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Dagmar:

sphery: What they had was really weak CPUs that couldn't play back video unless you downsampled the hell out of it

[04:37:26]

iamlindoro:

sphery: I think the whole "loaf around without a job pirating whilst not bathing or working" thing would answer that

[04:37:57]

sphery:

But, when the Matrix was released, they also had these things called DVD players (and some--like me--had DVD decoder cards) that could handle DVD quality video...

[04:38:08]

iamlindoro:

DXR2!!!

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sphery:

yep

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sphery:

still have that thing

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iamlindoro:

I totally paid a freakin' FORTUNE for a DXR2 and a drive w/ caddy from Creative

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clever:

atleast i skiped that tech:P

[04:38:52]

wagnerrp:

i used a dvd player

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iamlindoro:

reminds me of GATOS, too

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clever:

i think my 1st dvd capable system was the c600 laptop with a dvd reader drive

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clever:

1ghz

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clever:

the dvd drive seems to have gone tits up, it claims theres no disk in the tray

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iamlindoro:

clever: Don't try to out-old-hardware US, we've thrown out more old hardware than you're ever *seen*

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clever:

iamlindoro: i have a pair of c64's you got anythign older?:P

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iamlindoro:

You're kidding, right?

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wagnerrp:

bit of a difference between 'having used old hardware' and 'still using old hardware'

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clever:

no, and the only thing wrong is a toasted power brick

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iamlindoro:

if you think a couple c64s is old, best go to bed, son

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sphery:

I watched a total of 2 movies on my DXR3. First one I tried didn't work--I finally found out it was due to the encryption used on it when a new firmware version was released and allowed that movie to play back--even mentioned by name in the Release Notes) and on /both/ movies, Windows 98 locked up more than 2 times (on one 5 times) and required a reboot. The lock-ups were the real reason I only watched 2 movies.

[04:41:02]

clever:

theres some old game console too

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iamlindoro:

Kid, I have Sears Roebuck PONG.

[04:41:19]

clever:

hooks into the tv, has a selector knob for several games and a few paddle controls

[04:41:32]

iamlindoro:

*mutters* Commodore 64... HA

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sphery:

iamlindoro: I'd be impressed if you had the old bowling console (with the actual ball and pins in it--not video :)

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wagnerrp:

we had an old astrocade when i was young

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clever:

dont think i have a copy of pong

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wagnerrp:

but it burned up

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kormoc:

*mutters* vic-20

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iamlindoro:

clever: No no... no copy. No such thing.

[04:42:21]

iamlindoro:

Just pong.

[04:42:26]

iamlindoro:

It's a device. Not software.

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clever:

box then:P

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clever:

im too used to refering to things as software:P

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iamlindoro:

sphery: I've seen that, but don't think my folks had it. Had a lot of fun with the Intellivision when I was in grade school

[04:43:40]

clever:

crap

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clever:

0 bytes free

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iamlindoro:

OMG, that's like 1024 bytes less than usually free!

[04:44:07]

clever:

it ignored the drive with 6gig free

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sphery:

clever: that's what they mean by, "There's no such thing as a free lunch." (You have to pay for your bytes.)

[04:44:14]

clever:

probly because of the transcodes

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wagnerrp:

clever: delete/watch/burn some videos off your hard drive

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sphery:

and/or fix your weighting, as discussed previously

[04:44:57]

wagnerrp:

spindles of DVDs are cheap, and your time seems to be of little worth

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clever:

wagnerrp: i have 6gig free on my central drive, and 1.3gig on another

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iamlindoro:

s/little/no/

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clever:

media:/media/videos/media/media2/mythtv

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clever:

weight : 31

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iamlindoro:

sphery: why? What would clever have to spout of about if he did anything right?

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clever:

media:/media/mainlv/mythtv

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clever:

weight : 50

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, I'm all happy with just telling him to grow up and get a job

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iamlindoro:

Clever's weight: 350

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clever:

looks like the 3 transcodes i had doing, outweighted my patch for pushing low disk space out of the way

[04:46:29]

clever:

iamlindoro: im more in the are of ~180

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psm321:

clever: i dunno how weights factor in to this, but pre-weights, if it doesnt think any drive has enough space to finish a recording then it just picks one without regard to space

[04:46:37]

iamlindoro:

kilos

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kormoc:

stones

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clever:

psm321: it only goes by diskspace when theres a tie for 1st place

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wagnerrp:

slugs

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sphery:

clever: SGweightLocalStarting = 0 , SGweightPerTranscode = 0 , SGweightPerPlayback = 0 , SGweightPerCommFlag = 0 , and--if desired-- SGweightPerRecording = 0

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psm321:

clever: it also does try to make sure theres enough free disk space

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clever:

sphery: as ive said before, that would just defeat the whole purpose of the weighting

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iamlindoro:

His stink is at about a 180 hobo

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psm321:

i know this is true even with weights

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iamlindoro:

another week and he'll hit 200 hobo

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kormoc:

at what point does the air itself recoil away?

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wagnerrp:

ooh, i like that

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psm321:

clever: i have my nfs drives all setup with insanely high weights (like 999999). it still records to them if my local drives dont have enough free space

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sphery:

clever: no, /you/ defeat the whole purpose of the weighting already when you say, "Ignore all weighting and just record to the drive with the most free space."

[04:48:43]

clever:

psm321: weird

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sphery:

clever: so what's the diff?

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psm321:

clever: not weird if you look at the code

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clever:

sphery: my patch will only affect drives that are below a certain limit

[04:49:18]

clever:

psm321: ahh you also hacked yours up!

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psm321:

clever: no not that part

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wagnerrp:

mythtv wants to not record at all under a certain limit

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sphery:

clever: which is /every/ drive you have because yours are full

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psm321:

clever: well except i put in better bitrate estimates

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sphery:

oh, I forgot, you'd also need SGmaxRecOverlapMins = 0

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clever:

psm321: yeah my bitrate guesses seeem double but i havent bothered fixing it

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sphery:

if you keep them all full (or all full except one), then you're not getting weighting, anyway

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clever:

sphery: when i delete stuff, the free space appears at 'random' drives

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clever:

which on ocasion will leave 2 with empty space

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clever:

and as allways, pastebin is locking up

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clever:

sphery: http://pastebin.ca/1267228

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wagnerrp:

get a stack of DVDs, burn off all your transcodes, proceed to continue recording at a leisurely pace with plenty of free hard drive space

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sphery:

at which point, the /only/ weight which is doing anything is the one that I didn't tell you to change to 0, SGweightPerRecording

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psm321:

clever: when i used to burn stuff off i would then proceed to concentrate all my free space on a few partitions by moving stuff around

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clever:

psm321: i also move things arround

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sphery:

yep, a /wonderful/ idea, the mv command

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clever:

i pushed one drive down to 29mb

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clever:

by concentrating the free space like that, ive got 7gig on a single drive

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clever:

which lets autoexpire recordings actualy live for more then 5 seconds

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psm321:

just buy a new drive :-P

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iamlindoro:

You're proud of $7 worth of free space

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iamlindoro:

GET A JOB

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psm321:

drives are cheap now

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clever:

the cheap 1tb drives are all SATA

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iamlindoro:

He can't, he lives off his daddy and can't be bothered to shower or leave the house

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clever:

which needs another 20–30$ for the pci adapter

[04:53:32]

clever:

then more for shiping

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clever:

i can bearly afford the drive alone

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sphery:

iamlindoro: that's $0.70 worth of drive space

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iamlindoro:

You can't afford anything.

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iamlindoro:

sphery: gah, even worse, my bad

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clever:

iamlindoro: i have ~150$

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iamlindoro:

Your daddies money is NOT YOURS

[04:54:24]

clever:

my own money :P

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sphery:

iamlindoro: yeah, I know it's hard to think in such small numbers when talking about disk space

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** psm321 wonders why everyone is ragging on clever **

[04:54:38]

iamlindoro:

you owe $100,000 in back rent and utilities

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clever:

psm321: its one of the channel rules:P

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iamlindoro:

so you have -$999,850

[04:55:07]

iamlindoro:

because clever is a pathetic wastrel

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psm321:

i remember how it feels to be very limited in what you can get

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sphery:

psm321: because he always finds the most complex way to do things and then always talks about how things aren't working the way he wants :)

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psm321:

complexity is fun :)

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wagnerrp:

i forgot, isnt recordable media taxed heavily in canadia?

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iamlindoro:

bragging about how you sit in the house and don't shower or brush your teeth and live off of your father even though you're an adult and got kicked out of high school so you never finished?

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iamlindoro:

Yeah. Awesome.

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iamlindoro:

He's my goddamned hero.

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wagnerrp:

since they expect youre going to commit acts of piracy with them

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iamlindoro:

Clever can do all the exotic stuff he wants once he gets a job and an apartment, in my book.

[04:56:53]

Dagmar:

Just shoot me now

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clever:

something i cant figure out

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Dagmar:

There's a company airing a commercial for "HD sunglasses"

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clever:

the stack of dvd's i have(blank) are 4.7gig

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clever:

one of the dvd movies i had last week was 8gig acording to df -h

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wagnerrp:

i wonder if you could actually grind the edge of a disk down and use it as a viable weapon

[04:57:38]

Dagmar:

Yep.

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sphery:

Dagmar: nice... And I thought HD radio was annoying.

[04:57:45]

wagnerrp:

clever, look up 'layers'

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iamlindoro:

There's that "diamond sharpness of DVD" again

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clever:

wagnerrp: i didnt have to flip the disk over

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kormoc:

psm321, there's issues with getting stuff, sure, but clever wants to live a live of leeching off of his parents and bitching about never having money, it's annoying

[04:58:04]

wagnerrp:

clever, look up 'layers'

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Dagmar:

Dual-layer DVDs are *not* flippy DVDs.

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sphery:

layers != sides

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** kormoc sighs **

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clever:

ahhh

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clever:

so you need special disks/burners?

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Dagmar:

I don't know about "special"

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sphery:

and there's the whole writable DVD media is a different density than pressed media thing...

[04:58:58]

wagnerrp:

ever watch a movie in a real dvd player (not ripped), and see if skip about half way through the film?

[04:59:09]

Dagmar:

Just about any burner someone may have bought in the last five or six years will be a dual-layer (i.e., "DL" burner) which can burn dual-layer DVDs

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wagnerrp:

any burner you can buy anymore is dual-layer capable

[04:59:15]

wagnerrp:

but the media is still cheap

[04:59:16]

Dagmar:

i.e., "DVD9 format"

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kormoc:

but this is clever

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wagnerrp:

err... expensive

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clever:

wagnerrp: ahhh

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wagnerrp:

still ~$1/disk

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kormoc:

his burner is likely from a junk bin he had his dad wade in to get

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Dagmar:

Well, dual-layer DVDs are slightly more expensive than single-layer DVDs, but they're cheaper than LightScribe discs atr least

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iamlindoro:

I wonder how he got those disks burned with his only drive, a DVD-RAM

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: Bic lighter.

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iamlindoro:

He fished it out of the bottom of a septic tank.

[05:00:35]

clever:

its a dell cd-rw/dvd-rom drive module

[05:00:46]

clever:

p/n: 8w007-a01

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wagnerrp:

so you have blank disks, and no burner?

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clever:

i have 2–3 burners and atleast 40 blanks

[05:01:19]

wagnerrp:

the burner you mentioned is not a dvd burner

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clever:

i think i stole the dvd burner from dads new laptop, to use in my old laptop

[05:01:48]

clever:

and gave him the dvd read,cd burn

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Dagmar:

Dell loved selling people optical drives that could only burn CDs

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clever:

let me find the laptop case

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psm321:

i have one of those

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wagnerrp:

that was kind of you

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iamlindoro:

clever, what does your father do for a living, besides pray for the sweet release of death?

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kormoc:

I really wonder what will happen to clever when daddy can't support him anymore...

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kormoc:

be that old guy mumbling in a ally behind frys I'd bet

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clever:

iamlindoro: fix/install xray machines in hospitals

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iamlindoro:

clever: and if he was injured/disabled and needed taking care of, what would you do?

[05:04:57]

clever:

iamlindoro: he put his back out once and went to the hospital, 'i hope you dont need an xray, because the machine is broke'

[05:05:07]

clever:

i went to work with him and helped with the heavy lifting

[05:05:18]

iamlindoro:

clever: what does that have to do with the question I asked you?

[05:05:37]

clever:

he was partialy injured and couldnt do half the work:P

[05:05:39]

iamlindoro:

Your father can't work and needs to eat. He can't pay the mortgage. He can't pay insurance. What do you do?

[05:06:31]

clever:

this week he is going to be helping to install a whole room, the thing costs somewhere over a million total

[05:06:55]

iamlindoro:

You are a joke

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iamlindoro:

can't even answer the question

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clever:

i need to get somewhere with my life

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clever:

i know that

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iamlindoro:

I work *every day* keeping in mind that my kid sisters don't have a way to go to college if anything happens to my parents. I plan *every day* in case I had to get them through college. But you don't have a selfless bone in your body.

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Dagmar:

That's just because he's not smart enough to realize he can sell off spare sisters to gypsies

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iamlindoro:

I'm genuinely disgusted with you. I know you believe people on IRc idolize you, but *I* think you're a JOKE. And I'm not alone.

[05:09:59]

kormoc:

clever, so why don't you work towards doing something to improve your position in life?

[05:10:14]

clever:

kormoc: im working on sleeping at night right now :P

[05:10:26]

wagnerrp:

he wouldnt have time to watch tv, and would run out of hard drive space

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kormoc:

clever, use that universal health care to fix that stuff, don't 'work' on it yourself

[05:10:57]

clever:

mysql> select count(*),watched from recorded group by watched;

[05:11:00]

clever:

| 578 | 0 |

[05:11:02]

clever:

| 160 | 1 |

[05:11:17]

clever:

i could save space with 160 deletes...

[05:11:37]

wagnerrp:

so what is the purpose of recording off this stuff if you never watch it

[05:11:50]

clever:

i plan to watch it when i get time

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iamlindoro:

You have nothing BUT time

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kormoc:

what in gods name does (s) mean in c++

[05:12:43]

kormoc:

cs = new QTextStream(s);

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kormoc:

QTextStream is the class, but that (s) does something weird...

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Dagmar:

kormoc: It means the coder is an asshole who didn't feel his data structure needed any semantic help

[05:13:00]

clever:

it creates a text stream from some variable called s

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wagnerrp:

a variable i would assume

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kormoc:

oh damn, I see

[05:13:25]

kormoc:

ugh

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wagnerrp:

something fed to the constructor of the class

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kormoc:

in that context it reads way too much like english

[05:13:57]

Dagmar:

That's exactly the kind of code that gives languages a bad name.

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clever:

kormoc: http://doc.trolltech.com/4.4/qtextstream.html#QTextStream-4

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Dagmar:

Single-letter variable names should be taught as automatically incorrect style in college.

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kormoc:

yeah

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kormoc:

I was totally convinced it wasn't the constructor for some reason

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wagnerrp:

even things like 'i','j','k'? variables typically used as temporary iterators

[05:16:21]

kormoc:

Ooh, they're different imho

[05:16:29]

Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Well, those would be wrong because in most languages you're just wasting a copy operation doing that

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kormoc:

but anything that lives beyond a single scope level should be fairly verbose imho

[05:16:53]

Dagmar:

Copying a number from a list into a variable when you should just be using the number from the list

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kormoc:

Dagmar, for ($i=0; $i<100; $i++) imho is fine

[05:17:18]

kormoc:

but very limited scope

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wagnerrp:

been using php a lot recently?

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Dagmar:

kormoc: Yeah, in other languages there's constructs that make that a much simpler operation unless you're using $i somewhere within the loop..

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clever:

thats about the only time single letter variables should be allowed

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, just my day job and mythweb stuff, so no, not at all ;)

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: That's actually valid C and bash as well

[05:18:41]

wagnerrp:

Dagmar: with the '$' signs in there?

[05:18:41]

Dagmar:

...not like anyone ever seems to know you can do that in bash, which is fine by me

[05:18:44]

clever:

c allows $?

[05:19:03]

wagnerrp:

is that just regarded as a part of the variable name?

[05:19:18]

Dagmar:

wagnerrp: I'm more or less assuming people have the sense to modify variable syntax on a per-language basis

[05:19:27]

clever:

ahh

[05:19:31]

Dagmar:

It's definitely valid in bash

[05:19:44]

kormoc:

ugh

[05:19:49]

Dagmar:

for perl, there's another foreach operator that's much more useful

[05:19:57]

clever:

yeah ive used a for loop in bash before for calling beep with diff freqs

[05:20:04]

kormoc:

I swear c++ uses static function variables a lot more then makes sense to me...

[05:20:09]

clever:

Dagmar: Qt also has a foreach macro

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Dagmar:

foreach (@list) { blah blah }; in perl is much tidier, and you'd never need the temp #i variable because it's put into the automagic $_ variable

[05:21:41]

clever:

perls @_ is confusing

[05:21:46]

Dagmar:

No, it's not.

[05:21:57]

clever:

to me, it is :P

[05:22:05]

Dagmar:

It's just a basic list of arguments passed, man.

[05:22:21]

wagnerrp:

i rarely come across a point in my code where a 'foreach' would actually be appropriate

[05:22:22]

clever:

yes i know that, but why cant i just name the damn things like every other language?

[05:22:38]

Dagmar:

clever: You don't name the arglist. It doesn't need a name.

[05:23:03]

Dagmar:

clever: This is one of the places where perl makes you take *scope* into consideration

[05:23:26]

wagnerrp:

then again, fortran doesnt even have a 'for' operator

[05:23:30]

clever:

function php_function($foo,$bar){ ... }

[05:23:41]

wagnerrp:

you just have to tell it to 'do' things

[05:23:50]

clever:

void cpp_function(int foo,int bar) { ... }

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Dagmar:

Yeah, but FORTRAN still sucks.

[05:24:21]

clever:

sub perl_function { my $foo=$_[0]; $bar=$_[1]; ... }

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Dagmar:

clever: What's that got to do with @_

[05:24:26]

clever:

perl is just weird:P

[05:24:28]

** kormoc sighs **

[05:24:30]

kormoc:

I hate c++

[05:24:33]

Dagmar:

Okay, you're doing that VERY wrong.

[05:24:38]

Dagmar:

That's why it's weird.

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Dagmar:

For one, you didn't properly scope $bar.

[05:24:51]

clever:

was just typing out 3 'identical' functions

[05:24:57]

clever:

i meant to put my on both, but forgot

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: im with you on that one, i only have to know it since old engineers are nostalgic

[05:25:01]

Dagmar:

For the other, my takes an array on both ends, so to speak. my ($foo, $bar) = @_;

[05:25:15]

wagnerrp:

they know fortran, damn well theyre going to use it

[05:25:17]

Dagmar:

wagnerrp: I had to take it and Pascal for college credit.

[05:25:22]

Dagmar:

Is it any WONDER I left that school

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kormoc:

Anyone with c++ knowledge, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . mp;rev=18839 , line 307, how is that var existing outside of the scope of newConnection() ?

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clever:

kormoc: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . v=18839#L293

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kormoc:

or rather, how on successive calls have cs still existing

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Dagmar:

kormoc: It was declared globally-scoped elsewhere most likey

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Dagmar:

s/likely/likely/;

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** kormoc sighs **

[05:27:02]

kormoc:

and of course, using cs makes greping useless

[05:27:10]

wagnerrp:

well this is odd

[05:27:21]

Dagmar:

clever: To put it bluntly about @_, any time you are attempting to index @_ elements individually, you're probably doing something stupid and unnecessary.

[05:27:33]

wagnerrp:

df is reporting 236GB used, du is reporting 178GB used

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clever:

wagnerrp: du might not be finding every file, such as those hidden under mount points

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Dagmar:

kormoc: That cs isnt' declared in the 12 or so lines above there should be kinda a hint that it's got a larger scope

[05:28:31]

Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Or that you've got a jillion files

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kormoc:

Dagmar, yeah, found it, it's in the .h file, been way too long sense I even poked at c++

[05:28:36]

clever:

kormoc: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . v=18839#L293

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wagnerrp:

all those disks hold is mythtv recordings

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clever:

wrong paste i think

[05:29:00]

clever:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . ev=18839#L62

[05:29:19]

clever:

i would search the local function, then the definition of the class the function belongs to

[05:29:34]

Dagmar:

clever: Here's another example of an abuse of @_. Let's say you are sending a list to a subroutine and you do functionname(@yourarray) in your code. This is only useful/viable for *very small arrays*

[05:30:00]

clever:

Dagmar: wont that make @_ an array containing an array at [0] ?

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Dagmar:

clever: ...because @yourarray is going to be scoped *not* to your subroutine. If you're going to do anything with it, you'll by side effect be either messing with things in the global scope (which gets cluttered with crap when your programs get LARGE) which is bad form, or you'd be *copying* it with my or local so that you can operate on the data in the right scope...

[05:31:18]

Dagmar:

clever: No. For one thing all functions in perl take *lists* as their arguments.

[05:31:31]

clever:

now im realy confused

[05:31:43]

clever:

this might be why i havent bothered relearning perl

[05:31:46]

Dagmar:

clever: Let's say your array has ten _million_ items in it. That's ten million memory copies and 2x the resources.

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Dagmar:

clever: The *smart* thing to do is pass a reference to that array, and then dereference it inside the loop when you need to see it as an array again, and not one moment before

[05:32:45]

clever:

or just use a 'simpler' language:P

[05:32:54]

Dagmar:

i.e., it's the difference between passing a pointer to an array and a whole array in C (where it's more obvious you're doing something stupid)

[05:32:57]

clever:

maybe one with internal sharing like Qt's QStrings

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Dagmar:

Sorry, that's far from simpler.

[05:33:27]

clever:

c++/Qt is simpler then perl for my brain

[05:33:58]

Dagmar:

That's probably because you've been taught some really dumb things.

[05:34:16]

wagnerrp:

oof...

[05:34:18]

Dagmar:

You simply should not have gotten confused thinking a simple invocation would result in an array of arrays.

[05:34:43]

wagnerrp:

some copy of code i brought home to work on was blank on my flash drive

[05:34:47]

Dagmar:

You can *make* an array of arrays, or rather an array of references to other arrays.

[05:34:51]

wagnerrp:

and i just overwrote my old local copy with it

[05:34:56]

Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Ouch

[05:35:10]

clever:

i keep all my code in a private svn repo

[05:35:15]

clever:

so i cant loose too much

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wagnerrp:

guess i have to wait until tomorrow to play with it

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Dagmar:

Thanks to underloading/overloading, perl doesn't do insane things when something is passed the wrong number of arguments. That's a big "simpler" in it's favor.

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wagnerrp:

well i have an old copy on my laptop, and theres some chunks of code completely unwritten i can work on

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Dagmar:

I think I see now what one of my old mentors was talking about with perl... "It lets you write incredibly stupid code"

[05:45:35]

clever:

Dagmar: http://clever.mine.nu/feed.txt

[05:45:40]

clever:

how horid does that look?

[05:46:03]

Dagmar:

my $foo = $_[0]; my $bar = $_[1]; and my ($foo, $bar) = (shift, shift); and my ($foo, $bar) = @_; all do the same things, but only the last form is sane.

[05:46:31]

Dagmar:

(THe middle one is what "TurboPascal people" would code. The first, C."

[05:46:46]

Dagmar:

clever: Honestly, like crap.

[05:47:02]

Dagmar:

Why in god's name are you making a hash with numbers as the key values?

[05:47:08]

clever:

i wrote it in under an hour to duplicate mirc php and c++ code i made

[05:47:21]

clever:

hash?, i thought that was an array

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Dagmar:

%types is a hash.

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Dagmar:

a.k.a an associative array.

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clever:

ooo yes that one

[05:47:57]

Dagmar:

Hashes are computationally expensive.

[05:47:57]

clever:

i thought an array would get upset if i skip an index

[05:48:03]

Dagmar:

Nope. Perl doesn't care.

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Dagmar:

Perl will merrily let you create an array with one item with an index of 1, and another at 10,000, and the rest don't *need* to exist until they're looked at, at which point they will be undef or null depending on "how" you look at them. Automatically.

[05:48:49]

Dagmar:

It's called autovivification.

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clever:

looks like i need {} for hashes and [] for arrays

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clever:

but ive fixed that problem

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Dagmar:

First order of business, use freakin' parens, man.

[05:49:50]

Dagmar:

It makes code more readable.

[05:49:58]

Dagmar:

"my @params = split '\001',$rest;

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AllareRegistered:

my xbox360 doesnt find my mythtv box anymore, this started together with some other problems, the mythtv user didnt have the right to open my tuner anymore all of a sudden, etc

[05:50:16]

clever:

yeah, the #perl guys kept confusing me by leaving them out and making things look wacky:P

[05:50:26]

AllareRegistered:

i checked with wireshark, upnp should be working :s

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Dagmar:

That bit is unpleasant to look at and can get much worse. my @params = split('\001', $rest); is considerably more readable

[05:50:48]

AllareRegistered:

so what can be the problem if i see upnp packets flying around yet the xbox doesnt find my mythtv box?

[05:50:57]

clever:

fixed

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Dagmar:

AllareRegistered: You have Myth using localhost as it's address to look for itself. When you do this, the uPnP daemon is turned *off*

[05:52:04]

AllareRegistered:

Dagmar, let me check, i remember changing it but since stuff happened by itself that might have happened aswell

[05:52:12]

Dagmar:

clever: Also... "sub trim($)

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clever:

i just cut&paste that out of something i found in google

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Dagmar:

That bit is only useful for people with a C fetish who can't abide not having prototypes. It's meaningless and generally unnecessary in perl

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clever:

so just sub trim { ?

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AllareRegistered:

Dagmar, you are correct, this has changed aswell for some reason :)

[05:53:04]

Dagmar:

Yes.

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clever:

fixed:)

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AllareRegistered:

Dagmar, thanx for the fresh insight lol

[05:53:17]

Dagmar:

AllareRegistered: Yeah it drove me batty when I first found that bit out

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clever:

Prototype mismatch: sub main::trim ($) vs none at feed.pl line 56.

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AllareRegistered:

Dagmar, lol i knew about it, i did set it correct, but this changed automagically for some reason

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wagnerrp:

perl uses prototypes?

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Dagmar:

clever: Yes because there's that weird prototype at the top.

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AllareRegistered:

my tuner was gone aswell, my theme changed, ...

[05:53:55]

AllareRegistered:

lots and lots of crap

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doje:

Lexridge: you around ?

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: It does if you're generally insecure (as in you carry a virtual binkie)

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clever:

Dagmar: top?!, its mentioning a line number past the bottom:S

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wagnerrp:

i figured scripted languages typically didnt need that sort of thing

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clever:

ooooo

[05:54:35]

clever:

that!

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Dagmar:

clever: Sane men put their subs at the top of the script, although it does mean a lot of paging down if they get long you're kinda expected to do a whole 'nother thing with them once they get long.

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clever:

im used to prototype errors like that causing a compile time error

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Dagmar:

Yeah see there's not much point in perl prototypes excepting as syntactic sugar to make a code feel warm and fuzzy

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Dagmar:

When you run a perl script, it's being "compiled", so to speak.

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

but can you compile it once and store?, similar to .pyc files?

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Dagmar:

You can with the B module. I'm not sure how many people bother with that anymore.

[05:57:01]

Dagmar:

You get a *big* binary

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clever:

would it be a stand alone binary or just a blob that needs perl to run?

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Dagmar:

All of perl's "compilation" happens when a program is first invoked, and unless you did something specific to cause it to happen further, that's the "startup cost" of running a perl program..

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clever:

standalone would make it alot bigger

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Dagmar:

It's plenty big

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clever:

ahh so it delays compiling as much as posible

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Dagmar:

No, the other way around.

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Dagmar:

It compiles up front.

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Dagmar:

You have to do some rather "special" stuff to make it compile things later, like using stored regexps

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clever:

ive played with c regex before a bit

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clever:

had to actualy compile the expressions :P

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Dagmar:

In practice the startup time is something you ignore unless your program is going to be invoked thousands of times a second or something

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Dagmar:

Her'ees another bad bit... and unnecessary copy: while ($line = <$sock>){

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clever:

one of my php scripts was being ran many times/second

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clever:

but i have since fixed that

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Dagmar:

while (<$sock>) { does the same thing and puts what would have gone into #line into $_ each iteration.

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Dagmar:

er $line

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clever:

i converted the entire script to a function, and ran it from a for loop

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clever:

while (<$sock>){

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clever:

$line = trim($_);

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clever:

and theres another unneeded copy:P

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clever:

the \r and \n at the end will 'break' the current design and need to go

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Dagmar:

Use $/ if that's a problem

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clever:

thats a new one:S

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Dagmar:

It's a "more magical" version of \n or \r that does the right thing for the OS the perl binary is running on.

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clever:

and the data is from a tcp socket to a totaly different os

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clever:

so it wont match the local config

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clever:

currently its from a /sockwrite -n in mirc script, but i plan to replace that with c++/Qt

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Dagmar:

Might be time to learn about chomp();

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Dagmar:

...or s/[\n\r]//g;

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clever:

regex also makes my head hurt

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clever:

right now qmake is giving me trouble

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clever:

i cant QT -= gui

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clever:

though manualy setting QT to exactly what i want(instead of +=) has solved ht

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clever:

didnt realy help much though, still 445kb for the end binary

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Neosat:

Good morning

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Neosat:

I am trying to enable Mythbrowser in latest release version of myth but it says 'Disabling MythBrowser due to missing KDE development packages'

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Neosat:

I dont have such a problem if I try to build trunk

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Neosat:

I have kde3 directory with packages in /etc

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Neosat:

Any idea please?

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AllareRegistered:

if i have a external disk with media on it, how can i tell mythtv to use it?

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AllareRegistered:

and to only use it when its there

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S_SoNick:

Right, my apologies if this has been asked before, but a bit of research has returned nothing: With the Hauppauge PVR-500 no longer being produced, are there any dual-tuner cards in the market that work with Linux?

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Neosat:

Anyone using mythbrowser?

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Anduin:

Neosat: trunk uses Qt4's support so isn't a good comparison

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Neosat:

I do not want to use kde

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Neosat:

just kdm and icewm

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Neosat:

Is it is looking for kde-dev?

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Neosat:

Is there any way to use mythbrowser without kde Windows Manager?

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sulx:

how can I build frontend only? I don't want to build backend at all...

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kormoc:

sulx, don't use myth

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sulx:

what is kde windows manager?-)

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sulx:

kormoc: I have backend in another machine dumpass...

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S_SoNick:

Well, you didn't make that clear.

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sulx:

Neosat: you are missing qt headers...

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sulx:

S_SoNick: right...

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kormoc:

sulx, well, sense you know so much that you can't see how your statement was misleading, you shouldn't need any help to read the make files and see for yourself...

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Neosat:

gt headers?

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kormoc:

Neosat, he doesn't know what he's talking bout. Yes, you likely need kde-dev for 0.21-fixes to compile mythbrowser

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sulx:

kormoc: how its misleading?

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Neosat:

kde-dev will install me the kde windows manager. right?

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kormoc:

sulx, you said you don't want a backend at all, at all tends to mean not at all when used in that context

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kormoc:

Neosat, depends on how your packagers handle it

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kormoc:

Neosat, but just because it might be installed doesn't mean you need to use it.

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sulx:

Neosat: kwin is the window manager in kde...you need qt development packages

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kormoc:

sulx, given his error message he copied and pasted said specifically 'Disabling MythBrowser due to missing KDE development packages' AND 0.21-fixes uses kde's webkit and not QT's, it's highly unlikely to be qt-dev missing

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sulx:

oh right, my mistake

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sulx:

he didnt mention myth version ;)

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kormoc:

He actually did, <Neosat> I dont have such a problem if I try to build trunk

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Neosat:

yes I said it before, Thanks kormoc

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kormoc:

that infers that it was 0.21 or 0.21-fixes, or earlier, all of which use kde's webkit

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sulx:

yup

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Neosat:

Thats the one? synce-kde-dev_0.9.1–1_i386.deb

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eross:

can i get listings, so it tells me what station and what's on, instead of ? and ?

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kormoc:

eross, www.schedulesdirect.org

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eross:

kormoc – why pay for them when i'm practically paying for them all over the place, on the internet, on my digital cable provider. I can pull up a tv schedule easily, can't it be parsed and put into an xml format?

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kormoc:

eross, not legally

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eross:

copyright material?

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kormoc:

Aye, and typically protected by the site's terms of service (for web listings)

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eross:

media center pulls up a listing all the time, i have no idea where it gets its listing from

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kormoc:

they pay for it and pass it on in the cost of the software

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kormoc:

MythLogBot, being free, can't really do that for you

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kormoc:

of course, I mean myth, not MythLogBot

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kormoc:

silly tab completion

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eross:

lol

[08:23:17]

eross:

is there a utility i can run myself since i'm paying for these said listings?

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kormoc:

nope

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kormoc:

Media center's license only applies to using their software, it's against those terms to use it in another app

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eross:

then firefox/msie is breaking the law by looking up the guide in tvguide.com?

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kormoc:

no

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kormoc:

that's data you're not paying for

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kormoc:

but they give you access to see it, but not use it, as covered by the site's terms of service

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kormoc:

and they tend to fight scraping (the term for ripping data off of web pages) fairly aggressively, as it hurts their bandwidth a ton and makes them no ad money

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eross:

makes sense

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sphery:

and Schedules Direct is only $20/yr = $1.67/mo = $0.055/day

[08:28:24]

eross:

true, i'm just a cheapscape or cheapskate

[08:29:08]

J-e-f-f-A:

Well, you'd be hard pressed to find a better value than schedulesdirect... ;-)

[08:29:38]

sphery:

IMHO, SD is the cheapest part of MythTV. Computer hardware is significantly higher, time is infinitely higher.

[08:30:36]

J-e-f-f-A:

And what you'd save by writing a 'grabber' script, would be lost in the time to write it, then fix it every time it breaks... Save yourself the aggrivation...

[08:31:13]

sphery:

Yep. Even if you figure your free time is worth $1/hr, $20/yr is only 20hr/yr...

[08:31:14]

ServerSage:

I can't imagine somebody paying for the card, paying for the computer, spending the time setting up myth, and then not paying the lousy $20/year for programming.

[08:31:41]

eross:

it's not helping the opensourced community though, that's a part of it

[08:31:45]

sphery:

and paying for the /many/ hard disk drives required to store the TV...

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sphery:

wrong...

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eross:

the other part is, my install looks nothing like the screenshots

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ServerSage:

eross: Umm, I think you smoke crack.

[08:32:23]

eross:

ok maybe I didn't research it

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ServerSage:

eross: It does help the OSS community by providing a way for OSS projects to get programming listings.

[08:32:51]

eross:

that's a plus then, sorry

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J-e-f-f-A:

eross: And there are a number of themes for MythTV – the screenshots are a sampling of many of them.

[08:33:18]

sphery:

and it donates extra funds to open-source projects

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jblack:

Well, playing devil's advocate, it's getting hard to get a credit card these days, and I don't think SD takes personal check.

[08:35:10]

ServerSage:

eross: Seriously, drink 1 less mocha a day for 5 days and pay the $20.

[08:35:26]

eross:

ok i figured out how to work the themes

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sphery:

jblack: SD accepts PayPal and Google Checkout

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eross:

how can i drag the window around when i use the geometry option

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ServerSage:

eross: Tell it to run in a window.

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jblack:

don't those rely on credit cards/

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eross:

--window ?

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ServerSage:

eross: Then it will have the title bar.

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J-e-f-f-A:

eross: you have to add the "-w" flag to run it in a window.

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ServerSage:

-w

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sphery:

can be set up to with other approaches

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ServerSage:

Doh, J-e-f-f-A beat me.

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J-e-f-f-A:

hehe

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sphery:

that is PayPal/Google Checkout can be set up to with other approaches

[08:38:20]

jblack:

Regardless, if someone is without a job $20 for anything that isn't food is a lot.

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jblack:

Again, just playing devil's advocate. I think $20/yr is more than fair.

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sphery:

yes, and in that case, they should probably be cutting back on luxuries like cable/satellite--or even MythTV

[08:38:58]

J-e-f-f-A:

Heck, I gave my son $20 today for lunch... I wish I could get away with giving him just $20/year! ;-)

[08:39:02]

ServerSage:

jblack: Then they probably shouldn't be setting up/maintaining a myth setup with cable. :)

[08:39:10]

eross:

ok, the titlebar isn't showing up, it appears in upper left screen

[08:39:27]

jblack:

heh. good luck getting any cable channels anyways.

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sphery:

eross: moving a window is window-manager specific. Many allow you to hit Alt and drag.

[08:39:44]

ServerSage:

jblack: ? Why do you say that?

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J-e-f-f-A:

eross: you started the frontend with "mythfrontend --geometry 800x600 -w" ??? (or whatever resoltion you wanted?

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eross:

yes

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jblack:

because cable companies are slowly shifting to digital cable too. With that, comes cablecard.

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kormoc:

jblack, paypal can draw directly from bank checking/saving accounts for free, and they really like it if you do it that way

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eross:

alt-drag works

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kormoc:

jblack, hdpvr?

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jblack:

kormoc: That's a good point.

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sphery:

kormoc: who pays the credit card fee if you use PayPal/Google Checkout with a credit card? The seller?

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: yes.

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kormoc:

sphery, aye

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sphery:

then I'd guess SD would also like your using a checking/savings account, right?

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** J-e-f-f-A remembers when it was free for both parties... :-( **

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ServerSage:

jblack: You must live in an amazing place where cable companies actually move and advance and do things. Here in the SF Bay Area, comcast doesn't change. hehe.

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kormoc:

sphery, aye

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jblack:

ServerSage: Actually, I live in a place so old, it was the first place in the US that ever did cable.

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sphery:

and there's the guy who could explain more about what SD does/will do with additional funds

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kormoc:

just the CFO! :P

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kormoc:

I'm bloody addicted to the ipod touch now

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ServerSage:

jblack: Hehe.

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kormoc:

this 'play on frontend' I just added is amazingly awesome

[08:43:11]

jblack:

Wilkes-Barre, PA. Small little city that's little more than a poop stain from space.

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: I'm actually thinking of asking Santa for one now... ;-)

[08:43:33]

justinh:

hrm. my backend really isn't very well :( I think I might need to do a major hardware upgrade – unless I can get some cheap PATA HDDs

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ServerSage:

I have an iPhone, and am addicted to it as well. If myth only ran on it...

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, so I just added in code, so you browse to the program details, hit play on frontend, select the host and blam, plays on the frontend. It's a slick remote

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: sweet! ;-)

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kormoc:

ServerSage, http://flickr.com/photos/kormoc/tags/ipod

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jblack:

But yeah. Comcast, Cox, "Service Electric".. They're all offering hdtv now, and pretty soon, they'll stop accepting analog TV clients, requiring hdtv. A couple years from now, they'll force a migration of people that don't move on their own.

[08:44:26]

eross:

i'm running mythtv on ubuntu ibex, both front and back

[08:44:38]

jblack:

stop accepting new analog, that is.

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ServerSage:

kormoc: I more meant a native client, not mythweb.

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ServerSage:

jblack: Yeah, but soon hd recorders will be more prevalent, and the prices will come down and we will all be in HD nirvana.

[08:46:05]

jblack:

Not with myth, you won't.

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kormoc:

ServerSage, what more do you want? You can stream videos to it, schedule, use it as a remote.. what's missing?

[08:46:11]

eross:

any cursor in frontend?

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ServerSage:

jblack: What makes you say that?

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kormoc:

eross, no, might want to read the FAQ

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ServerSage:

jblack: http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/HD_PVR

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sphery:

jblack: eross it's disabled by default but there's a setting that turns it on but it doesn't do anything with most controls (meaning there's a good reason to leave it turned off)

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justinh:

ServerSage: the fact that it's impossible to get HDTV streams from a cable directly into mythtv without using analogue capture

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justinh:

* or a STB

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ServerSage:

analog component w/optical isn't that much different than HDMI when it comes to quality. I'll struggle through. :)

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jblack:

oh, by the way, I've seen some reports recently that they're starting to close off analog too.

[08:48:06]

justinh:

true. but....

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kormoc:

ServerSage, but yeah, you never answered my question. What does a 'native' myth app on a iphone provide that mythweb can't/won't?

[08:48:35]

justinh:

STB makers in the UK have already closed the component hole

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ServerSage:

kormoc: Last I read, you had to re-encode the stream to something the iPhone could play, is that no the case?

[08:49:32]

ServerSage:

no the case? Wow, I think I should go to bed.

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jblack:

yeah, re-encode to quick time.

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kormoc:

ServerSage, and a native iphone app would require the same. the iphone/ipod only supports mpg4/h264 period, and very specific resolutions and bitrates

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ServerSage:

kormoc: Except that mplayer is now on the iPhone, and if I'm not mistaken (which I might be) it supports more codecs.

[08:50:42]

eross:

schedules direct helps support myth?

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justinh:

well, gonna take this sata card to work & see if I can program it there. if I can find a DOS floppy

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ServerSage:

justinh: Oooh, justinh, the f-word. :)

[08:51:19]

kormoc:

ServerSage, when I asked about it, in theory it did, but without the special acceleration chip use, it couldn't really play it' back

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justinh:

and if not, might just pull the bios chip off it, back up the existing code, flash the new code on , resolder the flash chip & give it a go

[08:52:15]

justinh:

tried the windows flash util last night & it didnt recognise the flash device – so I HOPE that was driver related

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kormoc:

ServerSage, remember, you're talking about a device that's a 433 mhz arm with special low power hardware, it's not exactly a power-house

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justinh:

stupid catch-22 situation. motherboard with no sata & no pci-e – new sata 1TB HDDs... new sata controller doesn't allow boot with said HDDs so needs an upgrade. can't just get a regular modern sata controller card cos the backend has no pci-e. then again if it had pci-e chances are it'd already have modern sata.. grrr

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ServerSage:

justinh: Wowzers, how old is that mb that it does not have sata on board? My myth server has been going for about 4 years, and it has sata on it.

[08:55:06]

justinh:

and if I'm to replace the backend, I need a board with 5 pci slots – 3 pci would do for the tuners but I found they get too hot so need a gap of 1 card between em

[08:55:20]

justinh:

it's OLD :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: Just put a fan blowing right onto the tuners... that's what I did...

[08:55:51]

justinh:

if I can stumble upon a P4 (or so) board with 5 PCI & onboard VGA...

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ServerSage:

justinh: Could you mount a fan on the cards blowing down over them? I had to do that with my 3Ware RAID controller because it was between my two 150 cards.

[08:56:04]

justinh:

maybe I could, yeah

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ServerSage:

Hehe. At least we all have the same problem.

[08:56:21]

justinh:

but I don't see how that'd work cos there's nowhere for the air to go

[08:56:42]

J-e-f-f-A:

My current backend case even has a 120MM fan already setup blowing down on the card slots... (big RocketFish monster tower)

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ServerSage:

justinh: I put a fan in the front blowing out to pull the air away from the cards, and then put holes in the case above the fan to pull air in.

[08:56:57]

justinh:

I could always replace the tuners with more modern models of course. silicon tuners use way less juice

[08:57:24]

justinh:

even with multirec I still need three tuners (!)

[08:57:34]

justinh:

quite ridiculous

[08:57:53]

justinh:

actually I could prolly live with just two if push came to shove

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ServerSage:

How much TV do you watch that you need 3 tuners? lol

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J-e-f-f-A:

Gee... 4am, I guess I should go to bed... ;-)

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** J-e-f-f-A ZZZzzzz....... **

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justinh:

ServerSage: it's not generally a question of how much – it's all to do with when stuff is on

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ServerSage:

justinh: I find that most things replay a day or two after the original airing. So 2 cards gets me by.

[09:00:13]

ruskie:

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/11/25/vunow/ <-- hmm

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justinh:

hrm. Asrock AM2NF3-VSTA.. 5 PCI, AGP... takes a modern athlon 64, supports dual core.. could be the one

[09:00:43]

justinh:

ServerSage: plus I'm on mythtv so I can do crazy stuff like record 20 shows a day & still have capacity

[09:01:12]

justinh:

are nforce3 chipsets ok in linux.. that is the question....

[09:01:17]

ServerSage:

justinh: As can I, I have 3TB of storage. But I don't have that many hours in my day. ;)

[09:01:38]

ServerSage:

ruskie: Have you ever had the $100 desire to sit and watch youtube on your TV? hehe.

[09:02:02]

ruskie:

nahh but would be nice to get that in myth ;)

[09:02:10]

justinh:

mythtube?

[09:02:13]

ServerSage:

ruskie: yeah, it would be. :)

[09:02:24]

ruskie:

I tend to use a s60 app to watch youtube when I feel the need...

[09:03:29]

ServerSage:

Only place I watch youtube videos is on my iPhone.

[09:03:40]

ruskie:

n95 here ;)

[09:03:47]

justinh:

heh. so Â£35 for the board, about the same for a new CPU.. maybe Â£25 on new ram.. this might just be worthwhile... and timely

[09:04:01]

justinh:

need a new PSU & case anyway

[09:04:31]

ServerSage:

justinh: Is mythtube .22 only?

[09:04:38]

justinh:

ServerSage: yup

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justinh:

so.. figure about another Â£200 on a system I've not really spent any money on in over 12 months

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ruskie:

I guess I'll wait 'till .22 get's out ;)

[09:05:06]

ServerSage:

justinh: .22 ready for prime time?

[09:05:18]

justinh:

ServerSage: dunno. I don't use trunk

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ruskie:

and hopefully get's some mythbuntu hardy backports...

[09:05:24]

justinh:

ages since I even tested it

[09:06:05]

** ServerSage wishes the hard drive on his vista system would stop grinding. **

[09:06:12]

ruskie:

hmm how can I check how much media is in the myth db? I tend to have issues accessing mythvideo...

[09:06:23]

justinh:

hrm. don't even need to go dual core for a backend.. the Â£26 Le-1600 cpu would be enough

[09:06:32]

ruskie:

which of course accesses a network drive but it never was so slow...

[09:06:58]

justinh:

something I need to think about – if I can't get this bloody sata controller working a new box would save me heaps of time

[09:07:31]

ServerSage:

justinh: I take it your backend is dedicated to being a backend?

[09:07:32]

justinh:

assuming the new board's BIOS supports these HDDs.. (!)

[09:07:50]

justinh:

backend, DHCP server, nfs server...

[09:08:00]

justinh:

irc client :)

[09:08:57]

justinh:

its HDDs are on their last legs right now.. which is fair since they've been in 24/7 service for 3 years or more

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justinh:

since they weren't even new when I installed em

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ServerSage:

justinh: I had 4 faithful 400G drives that went silently into the night recently as well. God rest their metallic souls.

[09:10:52]

ServerSage:

Well, not exactly silently. One of them was making this god awful noise that I could hear in my office and the drive was in the garage.

[09:11:04]

justinh:

unless it's the rest of the system on its way out – that's not entirely implausible either

[09:13:03]

justinh:

yeah /dev/hdd is on its way out. maybe what hasn't helped is sending it to sleep

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justinh:

time to head into work..

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justinh:

I have a solution. ditch the TB HDDs & go for 750GB models instead

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justinh:

x2. so I'll have the same storage as I've got now which I can live with & it extends the life of the backend some

[11:04:33]

justinh:

I could even make a hardware mod to power on the 1TB HDDs after POST to prevent the hanging

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justinh:

cos there's no guarantee that a new motherboard wouldn't have issues with the TB HDDs :-\

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ruskie:

lol

[11:10:29]

justinh:

when did PC hardware get so damn flaky?

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ruskie:

justinh, ~2002/3

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ruskie:

dot pop bubble and such like

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justinh:

it's sata to blame for this, and idiotic manufacturers like Silicon Image who put out hardware that only pays scant regard to specs

[11:14:54]

justinh:

very rare you'd have been faced with PATA hardware which wouldn't work, BIOS size limits aside

[11:15:14]

justinh:

get HDD, plug it in.. woo it worky

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justinh:

I'm left with this stinking pci sata controller I can't upgrade :(

[11:16:42]

directhex:

how much time do you spend mocking framegrabbers costing five quid?

[11:17:05]

justinh:

oh yeah so it's MY fault for not being rich enough to upgrade my box every 5 fucking minutes

[11:17:26]

justinh:

hence why I can't afford to buy a 'real' sata controller

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directhex:

and how often do you accept that line of reasoning from people when you tell them not to use a 5 quid framegrabber?

[11:17:56]

justinh:

this is a different cost ballpark

[11:18:19]

justinh:

this isn't Â£40 vs Â£5

[11:18:55]

justinh:

this is new board, new cpu, new VGA card, new RAM territory :(

[11:19:12]

justinh:

it's probably worth my while seeing if those PATA-SATA controllers are any use

[11:20:11]

justinh:

but the point is.. if you buy a SATA HDD it's REASONABLE to kind of expect it'll JUST WORK isn't it?

[11:20:33]

justinh:

not have to deal with this completely retarded firmware crap

[11:20:57]

justinh:

not having to worry about whether your chosen HDD will work with a given controller. I mean FFS

[11:21:42]

justinh:

that the backend is old I admit.. fine. That it doesn't have SATA – I thought I could work around. Apparently not

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directhex:

does the drive have a sata1 compatibility jumper?

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AllareRegistered:

where do i change the name upnp clients will see?

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justinh:

directhex: nope

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justinh:

oh ffs THAT'S why the damn floppy drive wasn't working. Some C*** had unplugged it

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justinh:

so maybe I CAN upgrade the BIOS on the controller

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justinh:

heh. I could, and did. and the new BIOS works with the new HDD

[12:03:36]

justinh:

wooyeah.

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justinh:

what a frickin ball ache though

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justinh:

directhex: I think you missed the bit about the pci card not even fitting cos one of the key slots was slightly too narrow. I know all about paying peanuts & getting monkeys :P

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AllareRegistered:

where does mythtv get the name to use for upnp?

[12:37:16]

AllareRegistered:

and can i change it?

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[12:48:47]

gbee:

there are no good looking cases for ATX boards, at least not under Â£50 :(

[12:49:36]

AllareRegistered:

create one yourself :p

[12:50:15]

gbee:

think I got real lucky with that matx case I bought a few months back, solid brushed aluminium, front SD/MMC/CF card slots and just Â£40

[12:50:53]

AllareRegistered:

i got a old piece of crap :p

[12:51:04]

gbee:

everything atx based looks ugly in comparison :(

[12:51:13]

AllareRegistered:

it has pen all over it

[12:51:37]

AllareRegistered:

i dont mind that it doesnt look great

[12:51:53]

AllareRegistered:

its in my room, in the livingroom i put the xbox360 to use with upnp

[12:51:54]

gbee:

AllareRegistered: same, I was hoping to get something prettier without spending a fortune for what is the least important component

[12:52:18]

AllareRegistered:

but now my mythtv box shows as localhost.localdomain in the xbox360

[12:52:39]

gbee:

I've used the same midi-tower case for at least 6 years, getting sick of the sight of it

[12:52:41]

AllareRegistered:

gbee, lol a old xbox (non360) costs about 50dollar i think

[12:52:49]

AllareRegistered:

i saw one for 40euro today anyway

[12:52:57]

AllareRegistered:

and a couple for 50euro before too

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gbee:

AllareRegistered: rubbish frontend though

[12:53:13]

AllareRegistered:

thats a pretty small nice case, and it can run linux / mythtv with a little work :p

[12:53:33]

gbee:

and I'm talking about a box for my combined development be/fe (and desktop)

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AllareRegistered:

yes but dead cheap, small and not ugly at all compared to your avarage atx case

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Dibblah:

gbee: All of my stuff is in the cupboard-under-the-stairs. Only thing in the room is the IR sensor (5mm x 5mmx10mm), speakers and projector.

[12:54:33]

gbee:

AllareRegistered: the fact that it couldn't do HD means I'd never consider it, even for a frontend – but I have got my old Xbox somewhere

[12:54:56]

Dibblah:

Need to do a custom case at some point – The one I'm using is standard ATX and wastes lots of space, given that I'm using a MATX motherboard + picopsu + power brick.

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AllareRegistered:

gbee, hd is overrated and takes WAY too much space

[12:55:11]

AllareRegistered:

imho offcourse

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gbee:

AllareRegistered: I'd disagree :)

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** Dibblah hopes he didn't offend anyone that matters with that "not a discussion forum" comment on trac. **

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gbee:

Dibblah: yeah, this isn't for my production box, I'm happy with the case I got for that, it looks great – but I'm consolidating my development box and laptop into one, would have been nice to put the new board into a new case

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gbee:

Dibblah: no, you did the right thing

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Dibblah:

Ah, right. I've already consolidated my server, work PC and personal PC onto one box.

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Dibblah:

kvm is great for the work PC, then the server and personal were both on Linux, so no point in virtualising that.

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AllareRegistered:

anyone know where the upnp name comes from?

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iamlindoro:

hostname

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AllareRegistered:

my mythtv box shows up as loclahost.localdomain

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gbee:

aye, should have added server to that list, it will house my IMAP server, external facing ssh/vpn too

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Dibblah:

Used to have imap. Switched to gmail. Much happier now :)

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AllareRegistered:

iamlindoro, /etc/hostname is my normal hostname (that allways worked) yet if i type hostname i get localhost.localdomain

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Dibblah:

AllareRegistered: Which distro?

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Dibblah:

/etc/conf.d/hostname

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AllareRegistered:

Dibblah, mythbuntu8.10

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Dibblah:

Oh.

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AllareRegistered:

Dibblah, /etc/hostname then i presume?

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gbee:

Dibblah: don't trust Google :p However I'm also pretty happy with IMAP, albeit it can be a little slow to sync but I blame kmail for that

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Dibblah:

No, hosts.

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iamlindoro:

"hostname somehostname"

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AllareRegistered:

Dibblah, that one looks normal too :(

[13:00:47]

Dibblah:

Eh? What on earth is ubnut doing? 127.0.1.1 hub

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AllareRegistered:

?

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AllareRegistered:

iamlindoro, ill try thanx

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iamlindoro:

and assigning it to your IP in /etc/hosts probably wouldn't hurt either

[13:03:06]

AllareRegistered:

ok the piece of crap did it again

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AllareRegistered:

i cannot even reboot

[13:03:20]

AllareRegistered:

wtf is wrong with this stupid distro :s

[13:03:28]

AllareRegistered:

is there anytihng else you can recommend?

[13:03:44]

gbee:

n b t u u

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iamlindoro:

recommend for what?

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AllareRegistered:

something that doesnt crash, and simply does nothing at all if i open a program or try to shutdown

[13:04:11]

AllareRegistered:

iamlindoro, i mean a distro designed for mythtv

[13:04:18]

** Dibblah is actually a fan of ubuntu. However, I used to be a fan of Gentoo, so that pretty much removes me from voting. **

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AllareRegistered:

aith autologin by default and all the handy stuff

[13:04:30]

iamlindoro:

ah. Works for me (tm)

[13:04:39]

gbee:

knoppmyth? Mythdora?

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AllareRegistered:

lol

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AllareRegistered:

gbee, thanx ill keep those in mind :)

[13:05:14]

AllareRegistered:

tried knoppix once it seemd pretty nice

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gbee:

that's not a list of recommendations, just the full list of myth distros :) used knoppmyth for 6 months 2 years ago, I was happy but I was happier still to use the same distro on all my machines

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iamlindoro:

knoppmyth has a new release in the very near future, if you go that way I advise waiting for that

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Dibblah:

Yeah, it'll probably include 0.22...

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Dibblah:

;)

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iamlindoro:

should be pre .22 from what I understand

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AllareRegistered:

iamlindoro, for now ill just do it with this system for the next 5 months, after that ill probable get another distro

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Dibblah:

Please, not another pick-a-random-svn-checkout distro :(

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iamlindoro:

Dibblah: naw, it'd be -fixes

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iamlindoro:

AllareRegistered: in that case you should have your pick of .22 releases

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AllareRegistered:

iamlindoro, anything impressive new in 0.22?

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iamlindoro:

many many things, too many to list.

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AllareRegistered:

cool

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AllareRegistered:

i expected only a few changes / additions

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iamlindoro:

new UI engine, support for some new hardware, new codec support, a slim chance at a new plugin, etc.

[13:13:36]

dustybin:

"A Beautiful Mind" ..what a great film!! ..Stick it on a Myth Box near you :)

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AllareRegistered:

lol

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AllareRegistered:

i was that one with school sometime

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AllareRegistered:

was = saw :s

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AllareRegistered:

i never reversed a word before

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AllareRegistered:

my sis is dyslectic

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AllareRegistered:

iamlindoro, i did hostname myhostname but now after a reboot its still the exact same

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AllareRegistered:

localhost.localdomain

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clever:

in debian based systems, you need to edit /etc/hostname i beleive

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AllareRegistered:

iamlindoro, if i alter /etc/hosts then xfce will not start anymore complaining that localhost.localdomain is gone

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AllareRegistered:

iamlindoro, anymore ideas?

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justinh:

naughty backend.. rebooting all by itself. I think it needs some Beechams or something

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AllareRegistered:

its better then a cimputer that screws itself up

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AllareRegistered:

computer

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clever:

justinh: dont think ive ever had that happen, maybe your hardware is too old:P

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justinh:

good thing I got the sata card's BIOS updated.. I can start backing up all the recordings when I get home

[13:31:05]

justinh:

clever: yeah – it's knocking on for more than 10 years old now

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justinh:

I think the local power might be a bit flaky too though so will definitely be buying a UPS

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justinh:

so much for UK mains being reliable.. lights were a bit flickery at home this morning

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clever:

my UPS is actualy the cause of the random reboots i had on a web server and router

[13:33:09]

clever:

the wires i had going to the baterys where starting to melt:P

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justinh:

yes but your UPS is the bastard son of an illegitimate solution

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clever:

its hooked up 'properly' now

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AllareRegistered:

clever, is there a printer attached to your ups?

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clever:

AllareRegistered: nope

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AllareRegistered:

clever, ah ok, the engines of those things can cause UPSes to get screwed up and/or act ftupid

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clever:

the printer wont loose data with a sudden loss of power, and it 'boots' in seconds so it doesnt need to be on a UPS ever

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AllareRegistered:

at least thats what my old boss said

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AllareRegistered:

clever, i know that lo, but sometimes people plug it in the UPS just because thets most conveniant

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clever:

the UPS and printer arent even on the same floor

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clever:

id have to run an extension cord:P

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AllareRegistered:

clever, jsut qsking to make sure....

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Saviq:

can myth themes use fonts other than TrueType?

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justinh:

nope

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justinh:

why would you want to anyway?

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gbee:

depends on QT, try it and see

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gbee:

justinh has a good point though

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justinh:

bitmap fonts? LOL

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justinh:

1000VA UPS wot works with loonix for less than Â£40? they must be joking!

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AllareRegistered:

man how can it be so damn hard to change a hostname

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AllareRegistered:

:@

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** AllareRegistered goes mad from ubuntu **

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justinh:

oh gawd. not sure you want to do that

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clever:

AllareRegistered: as i said a few mins ago, edit /etc/hostname

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justinh:

mythtv no likey hostname changes

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gbee:

UPS tend to be pretty damn disappointing when you come from using laptops with a 2 hr+ uptime in the event of a powercut

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clever:

and yes, changing the hostname will screw up mythtv

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AllareRegistered:

clever, as i said: /etc/hostname == correct, liek it want it

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AllareRegistered:

clever, only my hostname is NOT MATCHIT it

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AllareRegistered:

not matching

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justinh:

gbee: not fussed about uptime as much as a clean shutdown

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clever:

AllareRegistered: then something is probly wrong with the /etc/init.d/hostname.sh script maybe

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AllareRegistered:

clever, aaaah i didnt know about that script, ill check that thanx a bunch

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clever:

thats how i found out about /etc/hostname :P

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AllareRegistered:

lol

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AllareRegistered:

i tend to go backwards :p

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justinh:

ubunuts has a GUI for that cack anyway

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justinh:

so much for making it easy

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AllareRegistered:

clever, ill test it right out after my smokebreak i really really need a smoke first

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gbee:

justinh: sure, I'm just suprised you don't get a better life out of UPS batteries considering their size in comparison to that of a laptop :) I'd want a UPS that could ride out a short powercut (10–15minutes) without shutting down

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clever:

gbee: i ran a large old tv on my UPS for 1–2 hours once

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clever:

but i had ~10 baterys hooked up to the thing

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clever:

when the voltage got low, it started to switch to a secondary curcuit, which took over 10 amps, and made alot more noise

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clever:

the lower the voltage, the longer it stuck in that mode

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justinh:

500VA is really all I need

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clever:

my amp meter is rated for 10amps

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clever:

it was pulling 10–13

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clever:

the cords for the meter and the meter itself began to warm up:P

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justinh:

clever: well duh – since it was passing all the current

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justinh:

and that 10A rating probably isn't a continuous rating

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clever:

but i also had the full 10 amps going thru a thin jumper wire

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clever:

which connected the meter probed to the 1st batery in the chain

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clever:

yet that tiny thing wasnt heating up at all

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gbee:

toys have arrived

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justinh:

I think I'll go with APC rather than some no-brand cack

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clever:

my hdd must realy be on its way out

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clever:

when mplayer needs to swap in even 1 block, it causes a noticable pause in playback

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gbee:

finally a board without two PS/2 and a serial port, actually feels like we've moved on

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justinh:

yeah but you still need a floppy drive to get around the snafus that I had to contend with

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justinh:

or a convenient means of putting BIOS update files on a bootable DOS USB disk

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clever:

the floppy drive module that came with my recent dell laptops

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clever:

has a usb plug in the side

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clever:

beats the crap out of those LPT based hacks to connect the floppy drive

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clever:

because the floppy drive is usb based, i can use it on any laptop or even desktop with little trouble

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justinh:

yeah I bet

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justinh:

if you can find a disk

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clever:

yeah you would still need a floppy

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justinh:

there has to be a better way.. but there really isn't yet

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justinh:

though I suspect someone must've worked around it by now

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clever:

you should be able to boot from usb or hdd into plain dos

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clever:

then run the update exe

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justinh:

yeah but DOS can't read from USB devices

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clever:

usb legacy support in the bios may solve that

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clever:

i have /boot/ formated as fat on 1 of my systems

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clever:

you could throw a copy of dos in along side it:P

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justinh:

ahh freedos lets you mount usb devices. nice

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clever:

nice

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justinh:

so tonight I'll be installing ubunuts on a spare box containing the new HDDs & I'll start to rsync the recordings & media dirs

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justinh:

already backed up the config files.. as many as I can remember being relevant anyhow

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gbee:

after the initial excitement, this mobo is pretty damn boring

[14:11:28]

justinh:

is any motherboard exciting? :-O

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clever:

justinh: i generaly just backup the whole damn /

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clever:

safer then trying to hope you got every important config

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justinh:

DHCP config, hosts, fstab, tftp config, nfsroot, apache & php configs, customised init scripts.. xmltv files.. that about covers it

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clever:

i have the / from the media computer striped down to 500mb

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gbee:

justinh: if I had a point, that would be it, but for some reason I was looking forward to unwrapping it

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justinh:

MOARTOYZ :)

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justinh:

still got over 250GB used up in /home though.. wth?

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clever:

cd /home;du --max=1|sort -n

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judazz:

Hi folks – I have an external tuner (digital->scart) that I control using a channel change script – works fine, but upon switching I see ~0.5sec of the previous tuned channel

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judazz:

I read somewhere about "wait time" or something

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judazz:

is there a place to adjust such a setting?

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clever:

'sleep 0.5' in the channel change script?

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judazz:

tried that, but it didn't seem to work

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judazz:

oh – brb, need to check my script again

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judazz:

sorry – I have one script calling another

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clever:

i have 1 script calling 3 others:P

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judazz:

first one called the other with an "&" in the end of the line

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judazz:

removing and trying again now

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clever:

yeah that would make the extra sleeps useless

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clever:

and that might actualy be the source of the problem

[14:17:04]

clever:

it starts recording before the channel changer does anything

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clever:

i also run my changer with & and i can sometimes watch the digits get 'typed' in when i play the recording back

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judazz:

yep – that was the problem

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judazz:

solved – thanks!

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clever:

justinh: weird, my /home/mythtv/ is 1gig in size

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clever:

and im not even using it anymore

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clever:

ahhhh, theres a whole compile dir there

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judazz:

I have another question regarding my external box: I have defined two sources, my internal analog tuner (1) and my external box (s-video, 2).

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judazz:

When I start livetv, I can not "browse" using up/down to my external source

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judazz:

only if I press menu and switch input

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judazz:

after I have done that, all my channels are visible (using up/down)

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judazz:

not sure what I wrote was really understandable

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judazz:

trying again: my first source defines channels 1–30, my second source defines channels 201–240 (or so)

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judazz:

when I start livetv, I can only reach channel 1–30 using up/down on the remote

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judazz:

but I can press 2-0–1 to reach channel 201

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judazz:

is this a feature? can I change this behaviour somewhere?

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justinh:

heh. .nx is over 363MB

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gbee:

not really a feature, nor is it is a bug, it's just a very irritating limitation that no-one has fixed yet

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gbee:

judazz: there is a patch in trac, but I'm not really sure how complete it is

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jams:

i have heard that batch works well

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jams:

was going to try it the other day

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judazz:

ok, thanks – good to know

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justinh:

hrm. something still using a daft amount of space in my home dir

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clever:

whoa crap!

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jams:

judazz- ticket 4501

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justinh:

I doubt even svn is hogging that much

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clever:

the bigest folder in my $HOME, is irclogs, 6gig!!!

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judazz:

jams, thanks

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clever:

i should trim those buggers

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clever:

yep 2gig just to rizon alone

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clever:

and i dont think i even read the rizon logs ever

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justinh:

du -hc > usage.txt

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gbee:

I tend to use --max-depth=1

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justinh:

ahh. I still have a backup of /media from when I converted /media to xfs

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justinh:

that'd explain it all

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justinh:

eep. I can tell /home is ext3 not xfs

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justinh:

whee now /home is only 6GB. I can live with that

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gbee:

just when did they start using 24 pins connectors for the PSU :/

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gbee:

manual says I can use my 20 pin PSU, but that it might not be stable and it should allow for 15A on the 12+ rail ... mine claims 17A, so fingers crossed

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directhex:

gbee, 24-pin PSUs? round about the time amd64 came in ;)

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justinh:

15 * 12 == ! W

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gbee:

directhex: well must have been sometime after that, since the board I'm replacing was AMD 64 :)

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gbee:

justinh: haven't a clue what you mean :)

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justinh:

15Amps multiplied by 12Volts = SCARYWATTS for a motherboard

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gbee:

oh sure, but that's what the manual says so I'm not questioning it ... assume they mean absolute possible peak load

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justinh:

rsync -v -r -P /video /home/munter/video

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rebel52:

so how are things going with mythtv/ffmpeg

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gbee:

the board itself claims to support a 140w CPU ... now that's just silly, one I'm putting in is 45w TDP

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rebel52:

ya'll guys get a multi threaded h.264 decoder yet?

[14:57:23]

rebel52:

or maybe hardware decoding?

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directhex:

gbee, prescott-core pentium 4 got up to about 130W

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justinh:

rebel52: multithreaded h.264 was already in 0.21

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clever:

ummm, i have 127k files in a single folder

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gbee:

rebel52: multithreaded decoding we've had for ages

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justinh:

for sliced encoding

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gbee:

rebel52: hardware decoding will be in 0.22

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clever:

im surprised i only have 11% of my inodes used

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rebel52:

really

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gbee:

uh-huh

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rebel52:

awesome

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gbee:

directhex: like I said, silly :)

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rebel52:

that support comes from ffmpeg?

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gbee:

I'd like to think the naming of that core wasn't just coincidence

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gbee:

the hardware decoding? no, Nvidia

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gbee:

the multithreaded decoding does come from ffmpeg though

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rebel52:

nvidia is adding code to opensource projects now?

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GreyFoxx:

I wanna try Mark's patch for VDPAU :)

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justinh:

hrm I might really want to run this rsync in screen

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GreyFoxx:

they released libraries and a code api for using the hardware decoders on nvidia cards

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GreyFoxx:

for mpeg2/h264/etc playback

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gbee:

in a way, they release an API and code examples/patches which are being adapted for mythtv

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GreyFoxx:

they even are submitting and updating the patches to the ffmpeg crew

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clever:

justinh: how would xfs handle deleting 100k files totaling ~1gig?

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justinh:

so who cares about VAAPI now? ;-)

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clever:

my ext3 is handling it horidly

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rebel52:

cool

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justinh:

clever: better than ext3 prolly

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gbee:

ATi are also releasing the same and already have a driver supporting hardware decoding

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GreyFoxx:

Mark has playback, OSd, deinterlacing and pip working apparently

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clever:

my irc logger is insane:P

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clever:

it has a log file for every damn nick its ever seen

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clever:

99% of the files are < 200 bytes

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justinh:

GreyFoxx: for h.264 AVC too ?

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GreyFoxx:

justin: yup

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justinh:

:-O

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clever:

GreyFoxx: nice

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justinh:

I want a nvidia graphics card for xmas!

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GreyFoxx:

yay, conference call

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clever:

justinh: i got one in my laptop! :P

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** GreyFoxx goes to be bored **

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** clever shoves an irc client into GreyFoxx's PDA **

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justinh:

ffs I still have .nuv recordings

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justinh:

I need to watch more TV

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clever:

ummm, sh*t, the directory alone is 2mb!

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clever:

nowonder its taking 2000 usec for every delete call

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clever:

that was 2% of my inodes right there!

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wagnerrp:

does jfs have some sort of internal slow-delete?

[15:10:21]

wagnerrp:

i delete a bunch of a files

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wagnerrp:

the files no longer exist

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wagnerrp:

but df still said disk space was in use

[15:10:50]

wagnerrp:

i wake up this morning, the disk space is now free

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clever:

check df a few times without -h

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clever:

see if its steadily increasing

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wagnerrp:

its where it should be now

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wagnerrp:

last night, it was not changing

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clever:

docs then!

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jams:

some process might still be holding the file open

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: I wanna try that patch too :(

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** jamiem ponders a way to archive programs to SMB/NFS and mark as 'archived, do not re-record' **

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wagnerrp:

rather than just 'deleted, do no re-record'?

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clever:

copy and normal delete?

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clever:

id just add the smb mount as a storage dir and move the things over;P

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jamiem:

oh

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jamiem:

Delete doesn't delete – just marks as deleted?

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jamiem:

unlike "Delete + Rerecord" ?

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wagnerrp:

it does delete the file, but it still remembers that you have recorded it once, and will not record it again

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jamiem:

i.e. deletes the file, keeps the db entry

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jamiem:

neat

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jamiem:

thanks :)

[15:24:04]

jamiem:

a second storage group is not ideal as I like directory hierarchy by type

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justinh:

whee 20MB/sec copying my recordings

[15:31:23]

justinh:

not bad for a pair of old PATA HDDs

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justinh:

video/videorec/1000_20061123210000.mpg .. 23rd november 2006. christ I need to sort my life out

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justinh:

might be finished by 9pm

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Saviq:

guys, I'm trying to change a theme font, the filename is luxisb.ttf, the font name is 'Luxi Sans – Bold', what should I put in the font name="" attribute? I tried putting in the filename but it couldn't find it...

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justinh:

Luxi Sans – Bold

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justinh:

font name="foo" face="Luxi Sans – Bold" IIRC

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justinh:

e.g. <font name="active" face="Luxi Sans – Bold">

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Saviq:

yeh that doesn't seem to work :/

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justinh:

what makes you say that?

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justinh:

did you force a theme reload?

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justinh:

menu theme changes need you to reload the theme

[15:46:11]

Saviq:

I restarted X

[15:46:24]

justinh:

no need to restart X sheesh

[15:46:40]

Saviq:

I wasn't sure it found the fonts

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justinh:

heh

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justinh:

if you're designing a theme for the common man, pick a widely used & very available font

[15:47:52]

justinh:

people ask enough dumb arse questions about how to install a theme as it is without battling with fonts

[15:48:22]

Saviq:

I just want to change it for myself, 'cause the theme's one doesn't have diacritics

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justinh:

"how me unpack a tarball?! REHHHHHHHHHHH"

[15:48:55]

justinh:

heh. bloody foreigners

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Saviq:

;]

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justinh:

hmm I wonder how many orphan recording files I have...

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Saviq:

one, two, three, many, many one, many two, many three... lots?

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directhex:

nope

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directhex:

it's many-many after many-three

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directhex:

many-many-one, many-many-two, many-many-three, many-many-many.

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Saviq:

I know

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Saviq:

just didn' wanna type

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Saviq:

I forgot my brain cooler

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Saviq:

ah got it... the ' – Bold' was unneeded

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justinh:

228 unknown files using 414.8GB not fixed

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justinh:

!

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Saviq:

lots lots lots lots lots lots lots

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gbee:

fun twist, 2 of the 5 sata sockets on the new board are blocked by the drive caddy, since it will only boot from the first three it was a squeeze

[16:02:26]

judazz:

Anyone else having trouble with their lcdproc (and therefore mythlcdserver) on 2.6.27 kernel, while 2.6.26 works?

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justinh:

hrm. i fink this script is broked

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justinh:

20 unknown files using 13.5GB not fixed. heh

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iamlindoro_:

So. I'm the ONLY guy sitting at work. I don't know if that makes me the hard working one or the sucker.

[16:13:54]

iamlindoro_:

Regardless, I'm starting my vacation at noon today.

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jams:

hehe thats pretty funny

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iamlindoro_:

I don't mind it much, lord knows aside from getting a run in, I'd just watch TV or browse the internet, so I can do that here. Only thing missing is the dog

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justinh:

we have dogs here you could have

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iamlindoro_:

also work across from a few hundred acre park so I can get the run in here too

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: Oh you love your dog and you know it

[16:17:05]

justinh:

no I mean the people who work in purchasing

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iamlindoro_:

heh

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gbee:

hrh

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iamlindoro_:

I think work is much better without all the coworkers, actually

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justinh:

hahaha

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justinh:

work is certainly better without music.. if said 'music' comes from my coworker's ipod

[16:20:40]

justinh:

iamlindoro_: take your statement to its ultimate level just for kicks

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justinh:

i.e. Humanity would be great if it wasn't for all the .. people

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Saviq:

anyone saw a solution to iconv messages going to the lcd?

[16:21:47]

iamlindoro_:

justinh: Heh, I've often said that

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iamlindoro_:

The best solution to HTPC LCDs is never to have one

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iamlindoro_:

sphery knows how we do it

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iamlindoro_:

Everything in the closet, cables in the wall, nice little wall plates. Mmmmm.

[16:22:59]

justinh:

thing with LCDs is – they're too small & fiddly to be useful in general – make one big enough to be much use & then wtf do you need a TV for? ;-)

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gbee:

it's what I'd do, if only this property didn't have solid brick walls throughout

[16:23:40]

iamlindoro_:

Had to perform a Blue LEDectomy on the case I threw my new VDPAU-capable motherboard in this week, now it's perfect.

[16:23:45]

justinh:

bah get them bicks chased

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justinh:

*bricks

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justinh:

oh wait you said you don't do plastering. heh

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** iamlindoro_ makes a note to mentioned the term VDPAU hourly until someone msgs him the updated VDPAU patch ;) **

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justinh:

reminds me I'm going to need to pull some more cat5 soon. and since I lost 3 stone, crawling around under the floor won

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gbee:

my vdpau board will be up and running a few minutes

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justinh:

won't be half as scary

[16:25:47]

** jams thinks that plan won't work as envisioned. **

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iamlindoro_:

jams: Which, mine? Yeah, probably not. ;) but it might make me feel better.

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jams:

iamlindoro_- your plan seems to have a few flaws

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janneg:

iamlindoro_: I think mark kendall is not into irc

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iamlindoro_:

jams: Chief among them nobody actually caring about making me happy

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iamlindoro_:

janneg: I'm just goofing around, not actually expecting results. :)

[16:29:01]

iamlindoro_:

janneg: Did you see the patch to the TS parser? Seems to drastically improve the parsing of m2ts

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iamlindoro_:

at least in terms of seeing all the audio tracks

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janneg:

iamlindoro_: yeah seen it, is it derived from current ffmpeg?

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iamlindoro_:

janneg: No, it borrows info from a patch that was discussed but ultimately died of old age on the devel list

[16:33:38]

iamlindoro_:

janneg: I re-opened the discussion last night and provided samples, and there's someone looking into it again now. Someone also posted code to properly parse the DTS-HD MA streams to pull out the DTS core. That's the last Hd audio format missing from our current ffmpeg sync, so I was hoping to submit a patch to add that once it gets in to ffmpeg

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iamlindoro_:

janneg: One other thing by the way-- I think DCA rendering to analog is broken in the current ffmpeg sync. I have tested on two systems with analog outs and get nothing but silence. Passthrough works, though.

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janneg:

iamlindoro_: ok, I've remembered the controversy around adding the STREAM_TYPEs

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gbee:

so, have to format/reinstall on the root partition, what have I forgotten to backup? :)

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iamlindoro_:

janneg: yeah, that's the one :)

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janneg:

gbee: /etc, /var/lib/mysql, /root, /home, list of installed packages

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gbee:

well forgot the package list, but I can wing that

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gbee:

and didn't bother backing up /root since there's nothing worth saving there

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gbee:

won't format the /home partition

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justinh:

and now I have enough sata power plugs for the new backend incarnation :)

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iamlindoro_:

I keep having to use DIN to SATA converters, it seems like there's never enough

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justinh:

I just made a DIN to 4x SATA power adapter

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iamlindoro_:

Nice, I have a couple 1 to 2s but I could use a 1 to 4

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justinh:

wouldn't go anymore than 4 way though

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justinh:

not with stupid HDD spinup currents

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justinh:

2.5A peak on some models

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justinh:

4 should be ok on 18awg though

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: btw I managed to fix that sata pci card good & proper :)

[17:04:55]

iamlindoro_:

Yeah, saw the log, glad to hear it's working now

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justinh:

good job I've budgeted for upgrading the OS too, since if I remember right early sata implementations (i.e. Dapper's no doubt) confuzzled the device node order randomly... or something

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Dibblah:

Eh? It's a peak current.

[17:06:55]

Dibblah:

So the wire width really doesn't matter.

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justinh:

yeah I KNOW that

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justinh:

but it does matter

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Dibblah:

Especially if you have staggered spinup SATA power cables.

[17:07:23]

justinh:

staggered spinup power cables?

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Dibblah:

(at least with Seagate drives, if you short two pins of the power connector, the drives don't start to spin until they see an enquiry)

[17:08:23]

justinh:

these samsungs do that

[17:08:24]

Dibblah:

Which means you only get one drive spinning up at once per controller.

[17:09:35]

justinh:

ahh it's determined from pin 11 on the connector. nifty

[17:09:54]

Dibblah:

Yup.

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justinh:

some smartarse at work said the answer to all my hdd problems would be to buy a NAS box from PC world

[17:10:40]

justinh:

maybe, apart from the fact you're lucky if any of them do samba let alone NFS

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t0ny-p40:

With sql how do I disable mythtv from recording?

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justinh:

t0ny-p40: I wouldn't

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iamlindoro_:

"drop database mythconverg;"

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justinh:

restart the backend with --nosched IIRC

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iamlindoro_:

^^^ don't do that

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justinh:

might aswell snarf some sata data cables while I'm here

[17:15:53]

sphery:

hmmm... I wonder what it is that I "know how we do it"?

[17:16:13]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: Putting Myth systems somewhere invisible?

[17:16:20]

sphery:

Oh. Drill and put the system in another room.

[17:16:22]

sphery:

Got it.

[17:16:34]

sphery:

I only read above the statement--didn't think to check below.

[17:17:42]

sphery:

gbee: Thanks for the info on that error. I figured it would be fixed after the screen was ported, but wanted to make sure it wasn't worth looking into. Also, thanks for reporting the Serenity issue. When I went back to check if it worked, it did--then I noticed the ticket you had raised. :)

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janneg:

UPDATE record SET inactive = 1;

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: So, I got the $139.99 Seagate 1.5TB. I could have sworn when I clicked "Submit order" I heard someone laughing in Scotts Valley. CA.

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iamlindoro_:

Hmm, wonder who lives there.

[17:19:50]

iamlindoro_:

(not me)

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sphery:

that would be Seagate HQ.

[17:20:00]

iamlindoro_:

Ahhhhhhh

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** justinh chuckles @ handing users who want to hang themselves the rope **

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sphery:

(sorry, kind of an obscure reference)

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sphery:

agreed... I was just about to say --nosched, when I realized justinh had already done so.

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gbee:

can I get this machine back up and running before I start missing recordings?

[17:25:05]

gbee:

It's like 24, but more exciting

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justinh:

that reminds me..

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gbee:

this 2.5" to 3.5" adapter is more bulky than I though it would be

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gbee:

and a little Heath Robinson looking

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justinh:

I didn't know clever had got a job designing 2.5" to 3.5" adapters

[17:28:05]

gbee:

"Thank you for purchasing .... now you can temporarily connect your 2.5" hard drive ... "

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gbee:

err, yes, temporary

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justinh:

thankyous for purchase from happygolucky-hardware-inc, Tw. We is hoping you are satisfactory please with our nice box

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Dibblah:

gbee: Heh. You should see my ipod -> USB adapter.

[17:30:38]

justinh:

you wan buy deeveedee? ;-)

[17:30:38]

Dibblah:

USB -> IDE with a homemade IDE -> PCMCIAish connector.

[17:30:44]

ruskie:

omg

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Dibblah:

ie a self-printed PCB.

[17:31:07]

ruskie:

bored were you?

[17:31:19]

Dibblah:

Needed it in a hurry.

[17:31:33]

jamiem:

why might programs be showing in mythweb "Recorded programs" that don't appear to be in the `recorded` table?

[17:31:53]

justinh:

jamiem: sounds unlikely

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justinh:

sounds more like user error

[17:32:01]

jamiem:

that's what I thought

[17:32:23]

justinh:

why are you even having to delve in the database?

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jamiem:

oh

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jamiem:

it was my ORDERing

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** jamiem looks sheepish **

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Dibblah:

Eh? It's Myth. You have to play in the DB.

[17:33:52]

Dibblah:

</humor>

[17:34:17]

justinh:

Dibblah: only people who use the all-singing perl frontend need do that though"

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jamiem:

justinh: experimenting with my own archive/transcode/cutlist thingy

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justinh:

ah fairy snuff

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jamiem:

"not seekable" ?!

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jamiem:

oh

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jamiem:

my eyes are playing tricks on me

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judazz:

Hi, I have a couple of commercial free channels, for which I have ticked "commfree" in mythweb channel settings.

[17:55:18]

judazz:

If I schedule a new recording on such a channel

[17:55:19]

jamiem:

what table are cutlists held in?

[17:55:40]

judazz:

it is still defaulting to auto-flag commercials

[17:55:55]

judazz:

is there some option that I am missing here?

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justinh:

jamiem: recordedmarkup IIRC

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iamlindoro_:

recordedmarkup

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iamlindoro_:

dang, too slow

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jamiem:

judazz: have you subsequently set auto-flag commericals in the schedule?

[17:56:46]

jamiem:

iamlindoro_: justinh: thanks :D

[17:57:34]

judazz:

well, haven't scheduled any recordings yet

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judazz:

do you think it will override the setting if the channel is "commfree"?

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jamiem:

judazz: is automatically flag commercials set in the backend?

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iamlindoro_:

So.... if you haven't scheduled recordings, how it the world would you know it's going to flag them on those channels?

[17:58:02]

judazz:

jamiem: yes

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judazz:

iamlindoro: well, I don't know, but was confused about the fact that "auto flag commercials" was on in the schedule

[17:59:12]

judazz:

no biggie

[17:59:39]

iamlindoro_:

Step one) report bug, step two) test?

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: shoot first!

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: Yeeeeehaw

[18:00:10]

jamiem:

wuuut?!

[18:00:16]

jamiem:

no foreign key for recordedmarkup?!

[18:00:34]

jamiem:

oh wai

[18:00:35]

jamiem:

t

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justinh:

damn foreigners again

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** iamlindoro_ wonders if we need to hear every exclamation, confusion, thought, etc. **

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jamiem:

:D

[18:01:30]

iamlindoro_:

Like, maybe a ten second window after thinking something to let it sink in, then ask yourself, "Should I write this in-channel, or does it now make sense?"

[18:01:52]

judazz:

(me wonders what this is a bug reporting place or a chat channel)

[18:01:52]

jamiem:

sense-proxy

[18:01:54]

justinh:

iamlindoro_: you wouldn't believe how I celebrated fixing that sata controller card

[18:02:12]

justinh:

basically, I didn't. not even the slightest Woot

[18:02:18]

iamlindoro_:

judazz: It's neither

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: Hahah, suuuuure

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justinh:

celebrating fixing something that should not have been broken in the 1st place..

[18:03:02]

justinh:

breathed a sigh of relief though. saved me buying a new backend for the meanwhile

[18:03:47]

justinh:

though that's something I should be thinking about anyway

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gbee:

Woolies has officially gone bust :(

[18:04:18]

justinh:

yup

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jamiem:

Woolies as in Kingfisher?

[18:04:35]

justinh:

woolies as in Woolworths in the UK

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justinh:

dunno if kingfishies got rid or not

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jamiem:

Woolworths Group plc was formed by the demerger of Kingfisher's general merchandise business, and began trading as a listed company on the London Stock Exchange on August 28, 2001.

[18:05:30]

justinh:

says wikipeadophile

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jamiem:

:)

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jamiem:

was just checking I wasn't going wholly mad

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justinh:

wouldn't trust anything in a fscking wiki

[18:06:09]

jamiem:

ok then: http://www.kingfisher.co.uk/index.asp?pageid=129

[18:06:48]

justinh:

hahaha el reg reviews a USB toaster

[18:07:03]

justinh:

so 500mA is enough to toast bread products?!

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jamiem:

very very slowly?

[18:07:41]

justinh:

ahahahaha.. it

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justinh:

it's a joke

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justinh:

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/11/26/usb_toaster/

[18:08:34]

justinh:

hey could PC world & Currys go under next? I hope so!

[18:09:06]

jduggan:

lol

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justinh:

just think of all those jobless spotty c**ts

[18:10:19]

jduggan:

haha

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jamiem:

TECH guys

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jamiem:

Can you tell me about this product? "Sure. <Reads card to you>."

[18:11:22]

justinh:

they can READ where you live?

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justinh:

blimey

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justinh:

anyway.. time for me to FO..

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iamlindoro_:

GAH, I want to curbstomp whoever thought of using an audio codec's name as a marketing term for 1080p screens

[18:17:10]

dashcloud:

which codec?

[18:17:18]

Dagmar:

DOLBY VIDEOZ!

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iamlindoro_:

TrueHD

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dashcloud:

I usually see FullHD as the marketing moniker- not that it means anything in that case either

[18:17:53]

iamlindoro_:

Some dumbasses have thrown that around as a marketing term for their TVs which throw off some of my google results

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iamlindoro_:

yeah, seen that one too

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iamlindoro_:

And yes, that too is a dumb term but at least doesn't co-opt some other term

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Dagmar:

Hey man, it could be worse.

[18:20:45]

Dagmar:

I saw commercials on TV last night for what this article talks about: http://www.geekologie.com/2008/07/hd_sunglass . . . ngly_not.php

[18:20:48]

Dagmar:

HE Sunglasses

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iamlindoro_:

Yep, saw that-- Mmmmm, blu blockers with a new name

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Dagmar:

er HD Sunglasses

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iamlindoro_:

I must be out of my mind trying to get something committed to ffmpeg. Good thing I wore my fire-retardant suit to work today

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jamiem:

iamaspestoro

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sphery:

Reminds me of the Dilbert with him sitting in a meeting in an extremely wrinkled suit with everyone staring at him. Dilbert says, "What? The wrapper said it was wrinkle-free."

[18:43:05]

** iamlindoro_ wonders if sphery came to that line of thought the way he thinks he did **

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iamlindoro_:

via whois info

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sphery:

?

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iamlindoro_:

/whois jamiem

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sphery:

the mention of "fire-retardant suit" reminded me

[18:44:01]

jamiem:

wut?

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jamiem:

oh.

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sphery:

wow... that took me a while to figure out (even after the clue). The scary thing is that iamlindoro_ knew about the connection...

[18:46:34]

iamlindoro_:

Anyway, I'm like five messages into this ffmpeg thread and I'm waiting for the inevitable pissing matches to begin

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sphery:

Here I am admiring the beauty of that particular Dilbert. It's a joke within a joke. Obviously the suit isn't wrinkle-free, and--even better--what kind of suit comes in a "wrapper"?

[18:48:14]

gbee:

Don't do it iamlindoro_!

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sphery:

oooh, gbee ...

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sphery:

should transcoder and recording profile be /always/ translated?

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** gbee loves Dilbert **

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** jamiem needs more cores **

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sphery:

in the UI, that is

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iamlindoro_:

gbee: Don't do what? I'm certainly not going to start anything, those folks are professional haters

[18:49:50]

gbee:

sphery: ugh, that's a hornet's nest, no unless they are special groups

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gbee:

is the short answer

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sphery:

how do we determine special groups?

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sphery:

For recgroup, I'm just translating if it's Default. For storagegroups, I'm translating Default and StorageGroup::kSpecialGroups.contains(storagegroup)

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AllareRegistered:

crap i fell asleep... are there logs for this channel?

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AllareRegistered:

i kindof lost the explenation i need lol

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iamlindoro_:

You're linked to them when you enter...

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AllareRegistered:

scrollback too short because i fell to sleep

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sphery:

gbee: or, if you know a screen I can use for an example, that would suffice

[18:51:29]

iamlindoro_:

http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1

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gbee:

well I'm not too sure whether we've any particular method in place, for recgroups we do string comparisons against the name – which is nasty and it's why janneg started to re-write it

[18:51:41]

AllareRegistered:

iamlindoro, nice thanx a lot

[18:51:46]

ruskie:

hmm anyone with mythbuntu and mythgame setup for visualboyadvance? I have issues with it quitting... just sits there with "Shutting down" in the console...

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gbee:

sphery: offhand no, but if I get this new machine up and running I'll have time to look for you

[18:52:17]

sphery:

OK.

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sphery:

I guess for now, I'll just translate default. (Though, for recording profiles, aren't there only 4 supported ones--at least supported through the UI--with standard names?)

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sphery:

guess I just answered my quesion on profile--translate the 4

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sphery:

Sad thing is the code was nice and short and easy to read until I had to add all the "if we have this and it's this value, translate it" code

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Dagmar:

sphery: Generally that's a sign something should be it's own subroutine

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yfaykya:

Hi – I have a Nova-hd-s2 seen by linux now /dev/dvb/* – I have added the card in mythtv-setup

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yfaykya:

How do I add channels?

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Dagmar:

Carefully.

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Dagmar:

You don't want them spilling onto the desk surface.

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iamlindoro_:

Myth has no S2API support yet.

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dacs:

howdy

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dacs:

can someone please hlep , i am trying to install Hauppauge HVR-1600 and i am getting this http://paste.debian.net/22313/

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Dagmar:

THat's not a MythTV problem. That's a #v4l problem.

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iamlindoro_:

Anyone know anything less monumentally irritating than Amanda for multi-tape backup?

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Dagmar:

tar

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iamlindoro_:

I guess tar will be fine for now.

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yfaykya:

I can still use S1 with it

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yfaykya:

dagmar: OS sees it fine

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Dagmar:

Good for you.

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jams:

iamlindoro- for home usage or company willing to pay?

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iamlindoro_:

jams: Company, but it's me who has to get it up/running and hopefully in short order-- just ran into scsi issues, though, so tar may work for now and then I'll look once I get it all working

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jams:

iamlindoro_- bakbone is pretty simple, few annoyances but it's tape it's going to be annoying.

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mut:

hi guys, just wondered if any of you guys could help me with an LIRC problem?

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mut:

basically im using remote control properties in gnoem

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mut:

gnome

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iamlindoro_:

jams: I'll look into it-- Tell me about it, I haven't used tape since Netware

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mut:

i have the remote working (its a rebranded x10)

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mut:

but some of the buttons dont work

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mut:

so i try to add new functions, and lirc dies

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mut:

any suggestions

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Dagmar:

You've got to get the syntax right, I'm guessing.

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Dagmar:

If it's one of the programmable remot=es from X10.com, you'd probably find it easier to tell the thing to behave like a remote for which LIRC has a _complete_ profile

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EvilGuru:

Has the XMLTV RT thing changed again? I have once again stopped getting ITV/FIVER/NEWS24/UKTV HISTORY listings (I remember fixing them a month or so ago

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Dagmar:

It probably changed.

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Dagmar:

What mainly needs to happen is someone needs to sit down and come up with an XML data format that can handle "nearly" everything, write a very boring looking whitepaper on it, and then try and get some companies to adopt it as the format they publish their listings info in.

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Dagmar:

ALl these places have to massage their internal data into something they can put on their website, and what format it becomes before it goes to the website isn't really all that important so long as their website still works

[20:21:35]

Dagmar:

It's just gotta be pitched as an "industry standard" and hyped as a "value add" to the IT departments responsible for the websites

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Dagmar:

...which is a bit like saying "Empty the red sea with a teaspoon" I know.

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gbee_:

EvilGuru: well those were the ones which changed a month ago, are you sure you haven't reverted to an old config?

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gbee_:

current ones are – fiver.channel5.co.uk, freeview.history.uktv.co.uk (or history.uktv.co.uk), news.bbc.co.uk

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gbee_:

EvilGuru: http://supplement.xmltv.org/tv_grab_uk_rt/channel_ids

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EvilGuru:

gbee_: Ahah, I have

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gbee_:

well back up and recording

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iamlindoro_:

gbee_: Nice, hopefully no buyer's remorse?

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gbee_:

none at all, least nothing yet ;)

[20:42:03]

gbee_:

won't really get to play with things till the weekend

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gbee_:

now why does the mythcenter-wide theme look so different on my laptop compared to the new machine? title images are different!?

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iamlindoro_:

You of all people should be using metallurgy ;)

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gbee_:

normally do, but I'm using mythcenter-wide to test out the default theme changes for mythui

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gbee_:

haven't completely updated metallurgy for mythui either

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rooaus:

gbee_: But I am still using it, I don't want to give it up :D

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gbee_:

it will be updated for trunk/0.22, whether I continue support beyond that ... I'd like to do something new for mythui and as we all know, maintaining themes is time consuming

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jams:

thats a bit of an understatement.

[20:57:23]

judazz:

Hi – anyone knows where mythweb takes date/time format from? I can't seem to find the setting for it

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sphery:

judazz: the settings "Date Format", "Short Date Format", and "Time Format" in frontend settings under Appearance (many pages in)

[20:59:51]

judazz:

ok, thanks!

[21:00:32]

judazz:

but I don't think it is so

[21:00:46]

judazz:

In the frontend settings I have 24 hour clock

[21:01:04]

judazz:

but mythweb present airdate with a 12 hour clock

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sphery:

some places in Myth may not use the specified formats (i.e. were added by people who didn't know about the settings)

[21:01:19]

sphery:

Oh, you're talking about mythweb...

[21:01:24]

sphery:

That's in MythWeb settings.

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judazz:

yes, but where?

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judazz:

oh, it seems it follows the language

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judazz:

but I prefer english language, but a 24 hour clock

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sphery:

judazz: In MythWeb settings, TV|MySession in the bottom, under "Date Formats"

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judazz:

sphery, oh man – there it was, thanks!

[21:04:11]

judazz:

(sorry for constantly being so blind)

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sphery:

there are lots of settings--easy to miss the one you want

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gbee_:

thought kormoc was working on using the frontend defined date formats in mythweb

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judazz:

Personally I don't think that would be a good idea

[21:08:43]

judazz:

what about headless backends?

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iamlindoro_:

What about them?

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judazz:

the reason why I didn't find the setting at once, was because I was looking in "mythweb" settings and not "TV" settings

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** gbee_ blinks **

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judazz:

I just thought it would be best to avoid fireing up a frontend just to set the proper date format in mythweb on a backend server

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janneg:

reducing the 5 separate settings to the two distinct would be a start

[21:12:31]

janneg:

judazz: the setting in mythweb could remain but it could use the mythfrontend settings as default if they exists

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judazz:

janneg: yes, that would make sense.

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Dagmar:

Here's a question mythwebt's got to be able to ask:

[21:14:50]

Dagmar:

"Which frontend?"

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judazz:

Dagmar: also true..

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janneg:

any or sorted by the count of usage of a format

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** dustybin wonders how many people in london use mythtv **

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dustybin:

i estimate about 15–20

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kormoc_:

and you would know...

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dustybin:

i havent a clue!

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iamlindoro_:

And how much would you imagine an estimate based on absolutely 0 information is worth?

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dustybin:

0

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iamlindoro_:

precisely.

[21:30:30]

dustybin:

imagine im the only one in london, how cool would that be :)

[21:31:13]

janneg:

there is at least one more in london

[21:31:31]

dustybin:

yes my friend ben who i built a box for :P

[21:31:35]

iamlindoro_:

and probably a graet many more than that

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iamlindoro_:

great

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janneg:

dustybin: two more than

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janneg:

s/than/then/

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janneg:

that would be 50% more mythtv (known) installations in london than in berlin

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ruskie:

omg setting up mythgame is quite an excersise... especially if one runs mythfrontend vie remote X but has the gamepad in the other room... walking up and down to set each button on the gamepad is fun...

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ruskie:

or the emulator...

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kkuno:

if windows can wakeup at a time without he rtc bios option, means that I can do the same with linux? (using acpi wakeup)

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iamlindoro_:

depends entirely on how well supported your hardware is in linux

[22:01:52]

wagnerrp:

ugh... school is changing from a cisco vpn to a web/java-based juniper vpn

[22:02:24]

wagnerrp:

guess that means im losing my tunnel

[22:02:34]

iamlindoro_:

I have a juniper VPN, it's the best I've ever worked with

[22:02:45]

iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp: why would you lose your tunnel?

[22:02:56]

wagnerrp:

my firewall doesnt even have an X server, much less a web browser with java support

[22:03:09]

iamlindoro_:

ah

[22:03:18]

iamlindoro_:

will just have to do it from the workstation

[22:03:39]

wagnerrp:

and if i connect to a vpn directly on my desktop (rather than a tunnel punched through on my server), that means my roaming profile goes toast

[22:04:02]

wagnerrp:

no more access to windows shares

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wagnerrp:

not local ones anyway

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wagnerrp:

even better, there seems to be a jack-knifed semi on the highway between me and home

[22:09:13]

wagnerrp:

and to top it all off, it happened in the tunnel, hampering cleanup efforts, and the entire expressway is shutdown

[22:09:33]

Dagmar:

Umm...

[22:09:35]

wagnerrp:

i guess thats my cue to attempt to make my way home

[22:09:47]

Dagmar:

I would suggest hanging about a moment

[22:09:52]

Dagmar:

I'll show you why

[22:10:07]

Dagmar:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/11/26/i . . . s/index.html

[22:10:39]

Dagmar:

Major terrorist s**t ongoing right now in Mumbai, plus NYC on alert from some tips from the FBI from early this AM, + blocked tunnel == shifty shifty shifty

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wagnerrp:

well the tunnel is actually on the other highway

[22:11:19]

wagnerrp:

but that just means everyone is going to be shifting over to the one i use

[22:12:21]

wagnerrp:

no, the tunnel is on a bend, and after a hill

[22:12:28]

wagnerrp:

so people go through there too fast and lose control

[22:12:37]

Dagmar:

Okay

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Dagmar:

I'm just thinking it's not going to take very much more to make panicky gov't types start locking down whole areas

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wagnerrp:

i doubt theres any sort of foul play

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Dagmar:

Doesn't need to be.

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wagnerrp:

besides, unless someone is transporting nuclear material, Cincinnati is not really a high profile target area

[22:14:47]

Dagmar:

Neither is Boston, but they've gone completely apeshit over some LEDs not once, but twice now.

[22:15:22]

fuxxy:

Anyone have time to hold my hand though some manual mysql channel editing? I'm trying to add some digital channels that myth's scan misses.

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: At the very least I would take a route that goes nowhere near that tunnel.

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Gumby:

does anyone know how the "additional tables" input box works in the power search for mythweb? Is it comma separated? space?

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janneg:

Gumby: I think it's plain sql, so it would be comma separated

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Gumby:

I just created a sql statement to find all movies on spcific channels and duplicate check but it looks like powersearch wont take it. too bad

[22:57:11]

Gumby:

duplicate checking doesnt always work well with satellite (some satellite is much worse than others)

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kormoc_:

comma separated is correct

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** kormoc_ wonders why the satellite would matter **

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Gumby:

kormoc: I am using EIT and the description is often different on each channel for the same title

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kormoc_:

ahh, well then

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Gumby:

and subtitle is always blank (in my case)

[23:00:31]

Gumby:

and they dont get marked as generic

[23:00:59]

Gumby:

so I get about 30 of the same show recording

[23:01:03]

Gumby:

probably more

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Gumby:

not sure how to get around it just yet

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iamlindoro__:

It's not enough for you to steal dish network, you can't even pay the $20 a year for Schedules Direct?

[23:02:54]

iamlindoro__:

Irritating

[23:03:04]

Gumby:

iamlindoro: schedules direct doesnt always have PPV shown. I do pay for SD

[23:03:52]

Gumby:

if SD had PPV listings I wouldnt be here

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Gumby:

but I understand why they dont

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Gumby:

and also, not all satellite used with mythtv is stolen. its quite reasonable to use a valid sub as well

[23:05:59]

iamlindoro__:

Gumby, this channel has *logs*. You've been in here numerous times talking about it, we're not as think as you dumb we are

[23:06:15]

Gumby:

iamlindoro: if I thought you were dumb I wouldnt be here asking for help

[23:06:36]

iamlindoro__:

You can't auto-record PPV that's *not* being stolen.

[23:06:50]

Dagmar:

tI've yet to see a coherent problem.

[23:07:20]

iamlindoro__:

Or they call PPV the way you do it, "V."

[23:07:27]

Dagmar:

iamlindoro: Actually with analog cable, most of the PPV is not on auto-generated channels.

[23:07:36]

Dagmar:

...but most of it is also porno.

[23:07:44]

kormoc_:

bow chicka bow wow

[23:08:17]

Dagmar:

Like, in TN the laws are a bit odd. You can't be a _subscriber_ to Spice Network, but you are perfectly allowed to watch as much of it as you want on a PPV basis.

[23:08:28]

mchou:

lol

[23:08:38]

mchou:

that's TN we know and love

[23:08:42]

Dagmar:

mchou: Yep. It's nuts

[23:09:32]

mchou:

Dagmar: so cableco in TN cant offer Spice (as an example) as a bona fide subscriber service?

[23:09:43]

Dagmar:

Exactly.

[23:09:58]

Dagmar:

You can watch whatever on it you want tho as a PPV service.

[23:10:21]

sphery:

iamlindoro__: So, the $99.99 WD Green 1TB is still $99.99 (has been for days). So, since I saw it was already at its announced "Black Friday" price, I went ahead and ordered the Seagate 1.5TB for $139.99 yesterday. Of course, newegg decides to drop it $10 (to $129.99 including free S&H) for the sale. For anyone who wants big (though possibly unreliable) storage for cheap: ...

[23:10:25]

Dagmar:

I've known guys who got Dish subscriptions using an address in KY for this very reason.

[23:10:28]

sphery:

... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148337

[23:10:29]

mchou:

I bet the cablecos were lobbying for that

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Dagmar:

Probably so. It wouldn't be the first gouoging legislation they've tried

[23:10:51]

iamlindoro__:

sphery, Yeah, you mentioned you had bought one- Well, I wish you luck with it

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sphery:

can't believe it, though. Every single 1.5TB drive I bought dropped $10 within 2 days of my purchasing it. :(

[23:11:30]

mchou:

sphery: haha

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mchou:

sphery: the rule for HDD is dont buy until you NEED

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mchou:

sphery: NEED is different from WANT :)

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sphery:

mchou: my 3 failed HDD's (the ones I replaced with 1.5TB drives) said I need.

[23:13:34]

mchou:

sphery: plus all the talk of high capacity drives being unreliable is yet another good reason to wait too untill they work out the kinks

[23:13:45]

sphery:

but I could have delayed a couple of days

[23:15:34]

gbee:

sphery: think that's bad timing? the day after I place the order for my new mobo/cpu/ram etc the government drops the rate of VAT (sales tax) in a panicked attempt to keep the economy alive

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Gumby:

For the duplicate check method, if subtitle is left blank by the EIT that does not flag it as a duplicate if duplicate checking is set to "subtitle"?

[23:15:53]

mchou:

sphery: you had 3 drives go out on you at the same time?

[23:16:25]

gbee:

not that the drop from 17.5% to 15% is actually worth that much, but it was frustrating all the same

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mchou:

VAT is 17%?

[23:16:45]

mchou:

wow

[23:16:58]

mchou:

I aint buying nothing in UK :)

[23:17:36]

gbee:

17.5 :)

[23:18:09]

mchou:

for that I'd load up on all high $ items across the channel :)

[23:18:19]

kormoc_:

I'm a firm believer in the seller paying the taxes, I think it would be much better for the unwashed masses if they didn't have to consider tax

[23:18:38]

sphery:

mchou: yeah, 3 HDD's failed within a month (a 200GB WD, a 300GB Hitachi DeskStar, and a 750GB Seagate)

[23:18:48]

sphery:

not a good month for HDD's in my house.

[23:19:04]

mchou:

sphery: you better get a power condition UPS :)

[23:19:17]

mchou:

conditioning*

[23:20:01]

mchou:

3 drives in one month for a (household) says it not "chance"

[23:20:49]

gbee:

Nova-T's run damn hot, have to wonder just why

[23:21:17]

sphery:

Actually, with a complete random distribution, it's possible. Also, I have a /lot/ of HDD's.

[23:21:44]

mchou:

sphery: indeed it's possible

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sphery:

anyway, I'll watch for additional failures (including power blinks/drops/spikes) and see if there's a reason for the failures or if it was just time.

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jm|laptop:

my cutflags' startpoint appear to be being ignored by mythtranscode :/

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fuxxy:

In the GUI, can one delete all channels that are assigned to a specific tuner?

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jm|laptop:

32MB/s over GigE :(

[23:42:21]

jamesd:

not bad if one or more of the boxes are windows...

[23:42:32]

jm|laptop:

Linux to Linux

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jm|laptop:

via crappy Netgear Gig Switch though

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jamesd:

what application were you using to transfer the data

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jm|laptop:

mv :)

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jm|laptop:

via samba

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Dagmar:

My suggestion, do your transfer tests with cached data

[23:43:53]

Dagmar:

32MB/s seems a bit slow for GigE

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GreyFoxx:

jm: Samba is a killer

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jm|laptop:

ya

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GreyFoxx:

very poor for transfers and kills the cpu

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** jm|laptop can't remember why he didn't nfs **

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jm|laptop:

there was a reason

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jamesd:

ftp or better yet multiple ftp threads... is better.

[23:44:30]

jm|laptop:

oh: xbox

[23:44:43]

jm|laptop:

I suppose I could run both

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directhex:

nowt wrong with netgear

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directhex:

faster than cisco in some workloads

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janneg:

I get 32MB/s with scp

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jm|laptop:

time cat ./100M | nc wally 12345 -q 1

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jm|laptop:

real 0m2.031s

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jm|laptop:

user 0m0.016s

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jm|laptop:

sys 0m0.284s

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jm|laptop:

100MB in 2.031s

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justinh:

wowser

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janneg:

nfs isn't much faster

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jm|laptop:

# ls -lha 100M

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jm|laptop:

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 96M 2008-11–26 23:47 100M

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jm|laptop:

oh and it will have waited 1s before exit

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justinh:

aaanyway, I'm doing a little dance here cos my new linux box is happy with its 1TB HDD on the new sata card :) compiling myth & stuff ready for the big migration over the weekend

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justinh:

stuff knows how long myth will take to compile on an 800mhz athlon but I really couldn't care

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Dagmar:

An hour and forty minutes

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justinh:

gonna start the big networked rsync tomorrow & get the OS in a state where it's ready to replace the current backend

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** jm|laptop tries 1024MB **

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jm|laptop:

real 0m44.420s

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jm|laptop:

23MB/s ?

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jm|laptop:

:(

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jm|laptop:

184 Mbps

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jm|laptop:

sounds better

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Dagmar:

Considerably

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dustybin:

this next time i play with my backend will be about a years time, i will build a HD backend what has a lot of storage space, and design 2 minimal HD frontends

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dustybin:

*the

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justinh:

jees is that cd really hardy heron? oops

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Tapout:

What card do I need to capture HDTV?

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Dagmar:

HD-PVE.

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Tapout:

I see a hauppauge 150 card on for 24 bucks, but ... I wanna do HD

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Dagmar:

s/PVE/PVR/;

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jm|laptop:

arse

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iamlindoro__:

You also need knowledge and confidence to compile a development version of myth and the driver on your own

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jm|laptop:

I forgot to pass autoaspect :(

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abqjp:

Tapout: HD over-the-air, or from a set-top-box

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abqjp:

?

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